Saturday Night On The Circle - Full Show - 9/13/25

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Smile, so your heart as a can smile even.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Though wits breaking.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
When they're are cloud This is Saturday Night on the
Circle of ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
If you smile, Welcome to the show, Ladies and gentlemen.
This is another edition of Saturday Night on the Circle
and an episode where, for once I almost don't know
how to begin, because of the magnitude of tragedy that
so many of us felt after the assassination, the brutal

(00:39):
slanyg of Charlie Kirk, a free speech icon at the
Utah Valley University, something that you would never expect from
a small town, a small community in a state like Utah,
and for such a young man to go so tragically,
and somebody who most importantly wielded no power over anybody Jack.

(01:02):
I think that's what affects people most of all about
Charlie Kirk's passing, because it doesn't have to do with
whether or not you agreed with him on many of
his talking points, as it so happens, especially being an
atheist and Charlie point Charlie Kirk being a devout Christian.
He and I fundamentally disagreed on many of his views,

(01:24):
especially social views. But that said, I would never wish
death on someone like Charlie Kirk just forestanding for what
they believe in. And the way in which he lost
his life was so tragic and so sad that it
happened in front of his wife and his child.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
That really sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
And I thought I would replay his final moment and
if you want to turn off the radio for a second,
I totally totally get it. But this is what Charlie
Cook stood for because to his last breath, he was
engaging in the battlefield of ideas and he was specifically
answering a question about trans mass shooters before unfortunately, this

(02:10):
little torpe, Tyler Robinson, took his life far too soon.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
Uh So, do you know how.

Speaker 7 (02:16):
Many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last
ten years?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Too many Americans?

Speaker 8 (02:28):
Fine?

Speaker 9 (02:28):
Okay, now, Vine is a lot, right, I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
I're gonna give you some credit.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
Do you know do you know how many mass shooters
there have been in America over the last ten.

Speaker 10 (02:35):
Years, counting or not counting gang violence?

Speaker 6 (02:38):
Great?

Speaker 5 (02:47):
And that was that.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
When I when I saw the footage, I knew it
was bad. Well, first of all, getting shot is never good.
But you could see the spurts of blood coming from
his neck, and just the way the physics of bullets operate,

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it had to have totally eviscerated his major arteries there
in the neck. There was simply no way for emergency
services to be able to patch him up in time.
That's just the way it was. You can lose consciousness
inside of sixty seconds. With a major arterial injury like that,

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you can be dead in under five minutes. And I
only hope that for him experiencing it, it was as
quick as it could possibly be, because nobody deserves to
die like a dog for just sharing their point of view.
And this little TOWRP that has allegedly murdered him, Tyler

(04:01):
Robinson of Utah, who was raised, by all appearances from
a conservative Republican family. Somebody who at one time in
his life, whether he is or is now or not,
I don't know, but identified as a Mormon, came from
a Mormon family, seems to have been somebody who was
terminally online. And what I mean by that is somebody

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who is so engrossed in their online experience that it
leeds out and overtakes reality, and you can tell by
the messages that were engraved on the assassin's bullets in
the thirty odd six deer hunting rifle. This was shared

(04:45):
by the Governor of Utah, Spencer Cox what he put
on there?

Speaker 11 (04:50):
Investigators discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark
colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mauser
Model ninety eight thirty six thous six caliber bolt action rifle.
The rifle had a scope mounted on top of it.
Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found
with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices

(05:14):
bulge's capital wo, what's this question mark? Inscriptions on the
three unfired casings read hey fascist, exclamation point, catch, exclamation point,
up arrow symbol, right arrow and symbol, and three down
arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read oh bella chow

(05:35):
bella chow bella chow chow chow. And a third unfired
casing read if you read this, you are gay LMAO.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
So I'm not sure how familiar are you with internet culture?
Producer Jack, Hopefully you're not as engrossed in it as
this young young man appeared to be. Yeah, you ever
see that phrase notices bulge.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Oh, that's this right right there at the top, not those.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
That's from the furry culture. This guy he And I'm
not trying to draw a direct connection with furries and
this assassin because most of the time furries are just weird,
they're not violent, but it shows how terminally online this
kid was. Most of these references are are memes, hey

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fascist catch with the arrows the upright, down, down, down
arrows are from a popular video game that's out right now.
I'm sure you've heard of Hell Divers two, at least
if you haven't played it yourself. I haven't played it
because I'm not into those team shooter type games, but
I mean it's blowing.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Up on Steam. I don't know if I've heard of it, Okay, but.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
That's what that's in reference to. It's a specific command
to drop a bomb in the context of the game,
or the Obela chow. That's something that Italian communists wrote.
That's an anti fascist anthem from like World War two.
So there's a little bit of oracle references in there.
And then of course the last day. If you read

(07:03):
this you are gay lmao. This is somebody who was
terminally online to the point that his mind was utterly
warped by the things that you see in the online environment.
He was twisted into a murderer or something. That one
of his former classmates noted, even when he was a

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young man, he was what he called a Reddit kid.

Speaker 12 (07:27):
I went to school with this Tyler Robinson kid. I'll
show y'all, I'd se him right there, Tyler Robinson. I'm
not trying to, like Clopchase to make this about me,
but I'm not gonna say I knew this kid really well.
I didn't know him very well at all, but I
definitely saw him for like three straight years in high school.
And the best way I could describe him is just

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like a Reddit kid.

Speaker 13 (07:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (07:51):
I feel like if you were in high school around
that same time and even probably now like twenty eighteen,
and then, like you know those kinds of kids, that's
exactly what he was. All I'm going to say is
this is the kind of shit that happens when you
spend way too much time online and all of a sudden,
your beliefs are all the way this way or all
the way this way, and you do some dramatic shit
to please these people that are not your friends. This

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Internet is seriously no.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Joke, and REDDA in particular is a stew for all
kinds of stupidity, including a lot of left wing views.
And one wonders where those views may have stoked the
fire where they came from, And it's not a mystery why.
Tyler Robinson concluded that somebody who was just sharing his

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point of view, like Charlie Kirk, somebody who was specifically
coming to an environment where you're supposed to challenge ideas.
He wasn't you abusing people. He wasn't coming up to
private homes and harassing people. He wasn't screaming in the
public square. He was at a college university. This is

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a place that is designed for eight But in a
world where where leftists equivocate words with violence, they respond
with actual violence, especially when the flames of hatred are
stoked by calling your enemies literal fascists. Here's a supercut
of so many Democrats resorting to that rhetoric.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Let me ask you tonight, do you think Donald Trump
is a fascist?

Speaker 14 (09:25):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (09:25):
I do.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
This is what taking this spot out of fascism looks like.

Speaker 16 (09:31):
Try to prevent the spread of the lawlessness and the
fascist chaos that's been unleashed against us.

Speaker 13 (09:37):
So when we say Donald Trump is a fascist, fascism,
a huge component of fascism is uniting racism, bigotry, a
form of racist nationalism.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
This is we are now living in a fascist dictatorship.

Speaker 13 (09:54):
Conch.

Speaker 10 (09:54):
We are worried about potential rise of fascism in this country.

Speaker 9 (09:57):
We're worried about our democracy falling an authoritarian and potentially
fascist form of government.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Not only to roll over to Donald Trump's will, but
to roll over our democracy and allow him to take
over this country as a fascist dictator.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
When fascism isn't just coming, it's already here.

Speaker 17 (10:17):
The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark
Millie said, no one has ever been more dangerous to
this country than Donald Trump, and he is a fascist
to his core.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
This wasn't just empty rhetoric to this kid. Quite obviously,
this was inspiration. You may as well have turned this
nutcase loose and painted a target on political opposition, which
is essentially exactly what happened, and unfortunately the shot found

(10:50):
its mark in this case, this terrible political assassination that
took place on the Utah Valley University. The most important takeaway, however,
for those of us on the right side of the isle,
and I would say the right side of the argument here,

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is that we have not thus far and certainly should
not resort to retaliatory violence. That is the line in
the sand, that is the distinguishing factor between us and them.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
When they have somebody who.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Sadly lost their life, as was the case with George Floyd,
they responded with riots in the streets, with busting up
small businesses, with more murders of law enforcement and including
law innocent civilians that were caught up in the chaos.
But you haven't seen any of that in the wake
of Charlie Kirk's assassination, and let's keep it that way,

(11:55):
where three days out a lot can change. But so
far we have responded with vigils, not violence, something that
was again noted by Utah Governor Spencer Cox.

Speaker 11 (12:07):
I want you to look at how Uton's reacted the
last two nights. There was no rioting, there's no looting,
there were no cars set on fire, there's no violence.
There were visuals and prayers and people coming together to
share the humanity and that ladies and sham I believe

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is the answer to this. We can return violence with violence,
we can return hate with hate. And that's the problem
with political violence is it metastasizes because we can always
point the finger at the other side, and at some
point we have to find an off ramp or it's
going to get much much worse.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
We're not just demonstrating the difference with our words. It's
imperative that we demonstrate the difference with our actions. That
is something that Charlie Kirk absolutely would have asked in
the wake of his assassination not to continue to fan
the flames of political violence and meet violence with more violence.

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What did his friends on the Charlie Kirk Podcast do?
They sucked it up, They turned the camera on, and
they continued to do the show. Charlie Kirk's seat remains empty,
but the torch that he carried continues to move on
through them and through each of us, including people like

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myself who often disagreed with what Charlie had to say,
but we share a pursuit of truth and a willingness
to engage on the battleground of ideas. This was his
friend's mornings passing on the Charlie Kirk Podcast.

Speaker 14 (13:56):
I wanted the friends of this show and of Charlie
that knew best, THET Crime crew, to be here in
the studio to commemorate our friend, our dear brother, for
the sacred, this solemn moment, this occasion none of us
ever dreamed we would have to do. And here we

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are because Charlie would want us.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
To be here.

Speaker 14 (14:21):
He would be upset if we weren't here. And we
of course have left his chair open and empty because
nobody will ever fill it, nobody could ever hope to.
But by all of us together, we want to honor him,
and we want to be more like him, and we
want to be inspired by him. And we want you

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and the audience to know him like we knew him,
and to be up close and personal to the front
row seat to history, to a legend, to an American
icon that we got every single day.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Nobody deserves to die that way, but we will honor
his memory by continuing the conversation. And that's what we're
going to do here on Saturday Night on the Circle.
Stay tuned in ninety three WIPC.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
There will be.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
So you're listening to Saturday Night on the Circle on
ninety three WYPC.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
All Right, we got through the worst of it.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Hopefully the rest of the show is going to be
a little bit lighter than the intro. But unfortunately, there's
just really no good way to talk about heartbreaking political
assassination like that of Charlie Kirk. However, now we're going
to talk about the nasty, awful, no good, rotten takes
of a lot of mainstream media, but in particular MSNBC,

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who propagated a number of repugnant theories while the assassination
was actively going on and still unfolding. This should make
everybody's blood boil, to show you how cravenly political these
people are. While it was being reported, first, Matthew Dowd,

(16:21):
one of the commentators there on MSNBC, who incidentally was
later fired for espousing these views, attempted to pin the
blame of the assassination. He was speculating, mind you, that
it could have been a Charlie Kirk supporter who was
shooting off the gun in celebration. Yeah, that seems like

(16:43):
a sick joke, but it wasn't funny, not one little bit.

Speaker 18 (16:47):
Yeah, and again, emphasize what you just emphasized, we don't
know any of the full details of this that we
don't know if this was the supporter shooting their gun
off in celebration, so we have no idea about that.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
You're a monster.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
I wasn't sure if it was a supporter shooting off
the gun in celebration, as if it would be just
just a normal thing to do to bring your firearm
to a debate and then shoot it off in the
middle of a sentence and all, oopsie Daisy just assassinated
the speaker. No, that's that's not what went on there.
Quite obviously, anybody with two brain cells to rupted together

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with this, which this Matthew Dowd clearly did not have,
would be able.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
To tell you that.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
But so filled with hate in their heart, they searched
for any way possible to blame the supporters of Charlie
Kirk for the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and then they
tried to shift the blame to Kirk himself. Well, he
deserved it, postulated this MSNBC contributor. Why because of the

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mean words that he said.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
This is nuts and I think.

Speaker 19 (17:54):
That's the environment we're in that people just you can't
stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and
then saying these off the words and not expect awful
actions to take place. WOA, And that's the fortune environment
we're in.

Speaker 20 (18:08):
Turning point you to say, is confirmed that he was shot?

Speaker 21 (18:11):
Oh that was horrible.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
It's you're horrible, you're your nameable monster.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Wh What took you so long?

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Idiot?

Speaker 4 (18:22):
If that standard were applied to anybody and everybody, there
would be nobody left.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
If you could.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Shoot somebody for saying something that you disagreed with or
is if something they would say, would ever justify that action? No,
that's that is a preposterous justification. It made MSNBC look
and sound absurd, which they are, look and sound incredibly callous,
which they are. And of course the repugnancy continued on

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that show. Katie Ture, the host of the program. She
continued in much the same way.

Speaker 22 (19:03):
After one of the DOGE employees was allegedly attacked in Washington,
d C. That's what Donald Trump used as a justification
to send in federal.

Speaker 20 (19:14):
Troops into Washington, d C.

Speaker 22 (19:16):
To get things under control the carjacking situation.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
He used that.

Speaker 20 (19:20):
And I know it's hard to predict the future.

Speaker 13 (19:22):
Mark.

Speaker 22 (19:22):
But you can imagine the administration using this as a
justification for something.

Speaker 23 (19:28):
I may not know my flowers, but I know a
bitch when I say won.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
After they knew the shooting had happened, their first concern
was not for the family of Charlie Kirk, was not
for the safety of those in attendance. Their immediate concern
was how they feared Donald Trump would exploit this tragedy
for a law enforcement pro safety response. And if that

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is your fear, then you have some truly truly warped priorities.
And of course it didn't end there. The Repugnancy she
was also concerned, Well, now that Charlie Kirk's gone, aren't
you afraid somebody could pick up the torch and carry on? Well,
I would certainly hope they do, Katie.

Speaker 20 (20:19):
People are really upset and they start lashing out online
and they start blaming others for what led up to this.
I mean, we see it when Democrats are targeted, we
see it when Republicans are targeted, and.

Speaker 21 (20:33):
We're seeing it with this.

Speaker 20 (20:34):
Anna Paulina Luna, who's a representative from Florida, has put
this out on x She's blaming the Democrats she's blaming
the rhetoric the Democrats use it, use call Republicans fascist.

Speaker 21 (20:47):
She's saying, you are the hate.

Speaker 20 (20:49):
If you're in the FBI field office and you see
this sort of stuff bubbling up online, how worried do
you get about somebody taking up the cause of Charlie
Kirk boo and lashing out on somebody who's seen as
a Democrat or somebody who is a Democrat.

Speaker 24 (21:07):
You do seriously surprise me.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Thank you, che I was.

Speaker 10 (21:12):
Hoping you'd see that. I mean, I'd give it all
I got, give you one hundred and ten.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
You surprise me.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
How you are the cause of Charlie Kirk was never violence.
When Charlie Kirk unleashed on a Democrat, he did it
from behind a microphone. This leftist assassin did it from
behind a deer rifle. There's a big difference. So somebody
carrying the torch and continuing the legacy of Charlie Kirk

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is somebody who is going to actively engage in debate.
Words are not violence. Yet leftists continue to conflate the two,
and it has resulted in this immense tragedy, one that
they're now trying to deflect from and shift the blame
for and say that and demand unity at a time

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where they have been fanning the flames of division for
going on at least a decade, if not more. And
this was Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries attempting to reconcile
and say that it's right wingers who need to tone
down the rhetoric because of course they're the ones that

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are at most at risk for violence, not these leftist
lunatics that the media is basically giving a carte blanche
to do unleash chaos on civil society.

Speaker 25 (22:29):
The bottom line is this is a time that all
Americans should come together and feel and mourn what happened. Violence,
which affects so many different people of so many different
political persuasions, is an affliction of America, and coming together
is what we ought to be doing, not pointing fingers
of blame.

Speaker 26 (22:49):
At this moment requires leadership that brings the American people
together as opposed to trying to further divide us. Political
violence in any form against any American is unacceptable should
be denounced by everyone, and moving forward, we have to
figure out a better way to come together, not as
Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Oh brother, this guy says, no, I would disagree. This
is not the time that we need to come together.
This is the time that we need to peacefully, but
clearly and distinctly highlight the difference between the political right
and the political left. We will not resort to the

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same cowardly violence that this assassin did, but we will
show that there is a distinct difference between these two
political and I would say moral philosophies. And we're going
to carry the torch and continue to do exactly that
in spite of these leftist deflections. Thanks for listening to

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Saturday Night on the Circle. Coming up next is the
sound Dump.

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You're listening to Saturday Night on the Circle on ninety
three wypc.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Oh, Ladies and gentlemen, it's time once again to don
your handy dandy as Matt suit. As we weighed through
a particularly putrid week in news, We'll begin with the
Lieutenant Governor Micah beckw making some truly bizarre statements in
the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination on the Hammer
and Nigel Show. Also zoron Mom Donnie, mayoral candidate for

(24:43):
New York shares his plans to descend the city into
destructive chaos through soft on crime policy, and the UK
police demonstrate why First Amendment freedoms are paramount in civil
society as they baselessly arrest an innocent man for simply
saying a single word.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
And you won't believe what the word is here at all.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Hear all these stories and more for this week's edition
of The Sound Dump.

Speaker 27 (25:08):
I'll take you job.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
It's the Saturday Night Sound Dump. Wy PC take you.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
So you decides you know you want to lie?

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Oh my god, thanks for tuning into Saturday Night on
the Circle where I'm your respectacled curmudgeon Ethan Hatcher. That's
producer jackep on the board, pushing the buttons and doing
the things to make the show function. I wanted to
begin this segment with a couple of comments from Micah

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Beckworth that sent me completely crossways. And this is where
I get irritated with the religious crowd, particularly a performative
pastor like Micah beck With he he made some rather
warped remarks in my estimation, and look, I fully acknowledge
that I may find myself in the minority here. I

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get that I do not share the religious views of
many of our listeners. But this really raised my eye.
Perhaps it will with you as well. When he was
sharing these thoughts following Charlie Kirk's tragic passing.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
They I'll also tell somebody's saying, you know that's struggling
with this right now, to think about what Charlie's experiencing.
Charlie just had the best day in his life. The
moment he took his black breath, he was in the
arms of his behavior.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
He was in the arm of Jesus.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
And now he's now.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
In perfect peace, living in paradise.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
He is waiting and anticipating today where he will see
his wife and his children walk into paradise too, because
he's left. He left an amazing seed of truth and
his wife and his and his children and and he's
now and he's now in paradise, and so he's good.
Charlie's good, and I love I love that Carli's good.

(27:08):
I praise God for what happened today in Charlie.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
However you feel about the existence of the Divine and
the hope of an afterlife going to heaven.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
I think it is a really.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Warped way to describe an assassination of anybody as the
best day ever, or something that you think that that
you are pleased would would happen, something that you are
glad to have happened. That is that is just that
is a really warped way of seeing it. And it's
that religious viewpoint that has warped Micah beck With's mind.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
I think that's sick.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
And if you truly believe in God as a creator,
then God inherently implanted in each of us an innate
fear of death. Nobody wants to die. And Okay, even
if you think that it was the best day of
Charlie Kirk's life, it was the worst day of his
wife and his child's life, because nobody wants to see

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a loved one taken away from them so tragically. And
it gets worse there because Micah Beckwith also said that
the assassination wouldn't have happened if God didn't specifically allow
it to happen.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
This is nuts and I'm.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
Not gonna be silent, and you know what, they can
try to silence me too. I don't care because I
know where I'm going and I'm death proof until God
says otherwise.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Charlie Kirk, that.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
Bullet was not allowed to hit him unless God allowed
it to happen.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
And God allowed it.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
He didn't cause it, but he allowed it to happen.
It didn't shock God. God knew Charlie was coming into
paradise today, and.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Praise God for it.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Whoa right, Let's praise God for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
He knew it was getting ready to happen. See.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
This is where I disagree with a Christian conception of
what the divine actually is, because Producer Jack, if I
was gifted the enormous power of omnipotence and omnipresence and
omniscience to know and be there and have the power
to intervene, I would have stopped the assassin's bullet, much

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like I would stop little children from getting molested from
my representatives in the House of the Lord. If I
had those powers. The reason why we don't feel guilty
about enormous tragedy like this happening in our lives, Producer Jack,
is because you and I we don't have the power
to intervene. It is beyond our control when tragedies like
this happen. But if for a second we did have

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we were omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent, and had the ability
to intervene, we would. And if you believe that you
were made in God's image, isn't that curious that that
desire exists in our hearts but not allegedly in his
Just really bizarre, really warped takes from Micah beckw but
we've come to expect nothing less from the wayward lieutenant

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governor here in the state of Indiana. And again, hey, look,
if you're offended, I apologize. I may find myself in
the minority with these viewpoints, but I thought that was
a particularly warped way of repackaging and reacting to the
assassination of Charlie Kirka. Praise be to God that he
died evidently according to Lieutenant Governor Micah beckwith freaking yikes, man,

(30:40):
freaking yikes. But of course he's not alone in his
warped way of viewing the world. On the left side
of the political spectrum, you have mayoral candidate Zoran mom Donni.
He is promising to unleash chaos in the streets of
New York City because he wants to reduce the isn't
population how well, through court reform naturally, which means letting

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more criminals out to endanger you and your family.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
The jail population of rikers has increased since Erik Adams
has come into office by more than a thousand additional
incarcerated New Yorkers. And what is quite staggering to me
is that we know that we can reduce that jail
population to less than four thousand. In Vital City had
an article about a number of different proposals that could

(31:29):
reduce it to thirty seven hundred and some of this
also just has to look at the average stay on
rikers in the nineties was fifty days. Now it's more
than one hundred. There are more than fifteen hundred people
on rikers who have been held there for more than
a year. So I do think many of the reforms
that have to be made are also reforms around the
court system.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I'm in danger.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Violent crime is already on the rise in New York City.
Such is the danger posed to ordinary citizens that Governor
Kathy Hochel saw fit to release the National Guard into
New York City subways because of the danger posed to
everyday citizens from these criminal maniacs that have been released
on society. But socialist Zorron mom Donnie's take is that

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prisons serve no purpose at all other than an emotional,
emotional token for the victims.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
What a warped way to view the world.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
You are prisons obsolete?

Speaker 27 (32:30):
Who coming through with the quotes through with the titles
of the books?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I have to read that.

Speaker 7 (32:37):
Actually I haven't read.

Speaker 27 (32:38):
That as yet, but I think that, frankly, I mean,
what perpose do they serve?

Speaker 23 (32:44):
Right?

Speaker 27 (32:46):
I think we have to ask ourselves that, which is that?
You know, I think a lot of people who defend
the carcial state to defend the idea of it and
the way it makes them chield.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
I am so glad I don't than New York City,
so I don't have to suffer through the short sightedness
of this nink and poop. After he's elected, and I
think there's a good chance that he will be, it's
kind of a similar situation to win Governor Brown secured
the nomination here in Indiana. Yeah, I guess it's theoretically
possible another candidate could win, But but unlikely giving their

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political makeup. One other clip I wanted to play. This
is some really important, really wacky, really wild stuff coming
from the United Kingdom police who arrested an innocent man.
Why producer Jack because he called somebody a muppet. I
so wish I was making this up. But here you

(33:39):
have the cops speaking for themselves.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
Well, you wanted a restrosection for a public order offense.

Speaker 21 (33:52):
All I'm going to say is, do you guys really
want to do this?

Speaker 28 (33:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
You'd arrested me for what offense probably called it for.

Speaker 24 (34:00):
That's a you've become one, you identify yourself please six
n two eight seventy sergeant eighteen twe eighteen twenty three.

Speaker 20 (34:13):
Yeah, keep back?

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Then is this really necessary at a minute.

Speaker 29 (34:18):
We don't know if you're carrying anything that might hammers.
We don't know anything about you.

Speaker 24 (34:22):
It's trying to see if they so just out of
the corfe all right, let's let me just speak.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
That's a fair comment. I'll let you have play. Yeah, yeah,
but I don't have anything. What's going to arm you?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Ever?

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Says and I Actually I'm just going to go.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
In and lobby because it's a beautyful lobby.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I'm gonna get some because I ain't got any stills.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
On circumstances to why you've been arrested and have been
arrested the rest as cautions arrested, What have done on
the caution from the order cars again? Are you what
I've done? I'm done.

Speaker 14 (34:48):
There's been a member of the public you've apparently been
trying out of climb and I'm up it right, and
you caused them a lamb and address.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
She's very eupniting.

Speaker 24 (34:57):
I'm gonna I'm gonna be straight with you guys now right,
even you're.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Down, down, down, I'm going to tell you now afternoon,
officer time.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
I'm enjoying a cup of tea on this warm summersday.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
I see world Walt.

Speaker 17 (35:19):
No, not a minute.

Speaker 30 (35:21):
Fame.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Oh no, you're not using a source. I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (35:24):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Grab the nearest pocket Constitution closest to you, and rejoice
that our founding fathers had the presence of mind and
the far sightedness to enshrine freedom of speech as a
fundamental right in this country, recognizing the natural rights that
you are already endowed with. Stay tuned for more on
Saturday Night on the Circle.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
This is Saturday Night on this They're cool Oh ninety
three WYBC, Welcome.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Back to Saturday Night on the Circle. It's been a
really busy first hour. Obviously there's just too much to
cover and get into and only a two hour show.
But don't worry. Hour two is on the way. In
the meantime, I guess you and I can celebrate Producer Jack,
because we're getting a bit of a reprieve from the
good old McDonald's, who have announced that the Value menu

(36:27):
has returned. Perfect timing considering that we are now more
broke than ever before.

Speaker 31 (36:32):
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popular meals, the ones you just went through will be
back fifteen percent discount on those most popular meals and
a five percent discount on all the other meals.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Value menus have returned, to the delight of many. If
you found fast forward on a food on a affordable
in recent years, well at least now you can get
a quarter pound or with cheese for a reasonable price,
something that will satisfy us all. Unfortunately, I've rang myself
out of time for the first hour, so join us

(37:15):
for more of the conversation coming up in hour two.
We're gonna cover the untimely death of Ranya Zerutska.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
And let us see your darkness, and let us see
your darkness.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
And if you're listening to Saturday Night on This Circle
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Speaker 5 (37:38):
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Speaker 4 (37:41):
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Speaker 5 (38:21):
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Speaker 4 (38:23):
This segment, I wanted to discuss it's been just a
hell week in news. Of course, the assassination of Charlie
Kirk has eclipsed almost.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Any other coverage.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
But we should not forget the tragic senseless murder of
Ukrainian refugee Arena Zarutska, who unfortunately discovered that American mass
transit is more dangerous than a Ukrainian war zone when
she was stabbed in the neck multiple times in an
unprovoked attack by a schizophrenic maniac that had no business

(38:57):
being released on the streets and had been previously detained
fourteen times before this senseless killing was enacted. And you
have liberal talking heads like Van Jones of CNN, former
Obama administration flunky.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Who said, well, this is just no way to know.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
What the motivation for this senseless and violence laying actually
was just no clue. But we should have sympathy, of
course for the killer, not for the victim, because he
was hurting too, not as bad as Arena and not
as bad as our family.

Speaker 17 (39:33):
We don't know why that man did what he did.

Speaker 32 (39:36):
We don't know how to deal with people who were
hurting in the way this man was hurting.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Hurt people, hurt people.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
What happened was horrible.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
No one mentioned the word.

Speaker 26 (39:44):
Race, white, black, or anything except him.

Speaker 10 (39:49):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
We don't know what the motivation was Producer Deck. We
have the audio from the train as he was muttering
to other people who were taking transportation and saying, I
got that white girl. If this were any other context,

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if the roles were reversed, you would have cities on fire,
just like following the death of George Floyd. Had it
been a white schizophrenic man stabbing senselessly an innocent young
black woman to death on the train, then certainly.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
There would be wall to wall media coverage.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
But as it stands, because of the facts in play,
the media did not see fit to cover this until
essentially within the last week, Producer Jack, even though the
murderous attack happened. I think it was the twenty second
of August, so we're coming up on almost a month
ago before the media decided that this was worthy of coverage.

(41:13):
And I can see why, considering the criminal background of
de Carlos Brown and the active part that the local
leftist policies played in unleashing him on society. Not even
his mother wanted him walking around free. She said that
he needed to be institutionalized and put away. But it's

(41:37):
the bleeding heart leftists who saw fit to unleash him
on society until this tragedy happened, something that was noted
by Steve Miller, who was on Fox News and absolutely
excoriated soft on crime, leftist policies that have resulted in
endangering us all.

Speaker 32 (41:55):
When you have Democrat politicians like Pritzer and Newscomb that
are freeing alegal alien pedophiles, illegal alien child abductors, illegal
alien murderers back into our streets to kidnap people, to
beat them senseless, to stab them and shoot them to death.
This is terrorism being waged against the American people. And

(42:16):
then you look at that video that chills our very
souls out of Charlotte, that beautiful young woman stabbed to death,
murdered savagely on a subway, just trying to get home
from work, fleeing war, only to run into a Democrat
war zone here in our country. That monster fourteen prior

(42:38):
arrests in and out, in and out. The Democrat policies
of catch and release for barbarians and savages is truly
an act of terror Shawn against the American people. It
cannot be explained unless you deeply fundamentally hate America.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
He's out of line, but he's right.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
We saw evidence of this mindset in action on the
Monon Trail right here in our own backyard in the
city of Indianapolis. When you have prosecutors like Ryan friend
of the miscreant Mears releasing these violent felons, these violent
criminals on society and the revolving door of the criminal

(43:20):
justice system. An individual who raped and sexually assaulted two
women on the Monon Trail despite himself having an extensive
criminal history. And what's more, Producer Jack is during this
investigation and the fallout from the sexual assault of these
two innocent victims on the Monon Trail, they also discovered

(43:41):
DNA evidence linking him to a child sexual assault that
took place all the way back in twenty sixteen. And
if law enforcement and especially the prosecutors and judges had
done their job, then like de Carlos Brown, this deranged
maniac would be yanked from society. Unfortunately, it is the
bleeding heart, soft on crime liberal policies that have resulted

(44:04):
in the revictimization of these innocent members of our society.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
And Adam Smith said it best.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Of course, he's known for his economic influence on the
Founding Fathers, but he also laid the groundwork for basic
morals and the criminal justice system. When he said that
innocent to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, I'm
sorry when mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
That's what I meant to say, and he's absolutely right
by that.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
De Carlos Brown, now speaking out the maniac who murdered
senselessly Ukrainian refugee Arena Zarutska on the Charlotte train, is
now trying to pin the blame of responsibility on the government.
Why producer Jet Well, according to him, it's because he
has materials in his body that was planted by the

(45:00):
government that took control of him and made him murder
this girl.

Speaker 21 (45:05):
So you said something in your body, he was.

Speaker 30 (45:10):
Now the material.

Speaker 21 (45:13):
I feel like the chair used my body as lady,
and so she just got stabbed.

Speaker 24 (45:21):
Yeah, you know that's not me I'm talking about just
for no reason.

Speaker 33 (45:29):
They did that.

Speaker 12 (45:31):
They did that.

Speaker 21 (45:31):
Now they got investigating the chid my body, so they
want to do all that.

Speaker 12 (45:35):
Now I got to investigate.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
And they may now be trying to blame this fatal
attack on his schizophrenia, but he at least had the
presence of mind in the moments to move away from
the scene and leave the train. Why because he understood
the basic facts that he had just done something wrong

(46:05):
and even attempted to justify it to other passengers. Well,
she called me the N words, so of course I
stabbed her in the neck three times until she died. Now,
all of this was captured on film producer Jack. This
woman was completely minding her own business, did absolutely nothing
to this individual who unleashed savage attack on her, absolutely senselessly,

(46:30):
and it appears to be racially motivated. And he did
have the presence of mind to leave, so he is
accountable for his actions. But that being said, we do
absolutely need to reevaluate the criminal justice system. We do
absolutely need to reevaluate the way we are handling the
mentally ill in our society. And I would say reopen

(46:52):
the asylums. That is a policy discussion. But then you
have leftist like Whoopi Goldberg on the view saying that
we shouldn't be politicizing this senseless murder. Now I disagree,
will be We absolutely should, and I'll tell you why
after I play the clip.

Speaker 23 (47:08):
Oh, young woman is dead, Let's let's take that into
into consideration. And yes, a man who should have been
behind bars was loose and out. Well, well he should listen.
He was a schizophrenic man. His mother begged them to
take him and put him away. So stop politicizing this.

(47:32):
This is not political. This has to do with how
we take care of our sick Americans when they are
in need.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber,
you go and do something like this and totally reveal yourself.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
And I'll tell you why we should politicize this murder,
because it's the policy decisions of politicians that have resulted
in this chaos being unleashed on our streets. It is
a policy decision that closed the asylums and allows these
dangerously mentally unstable individuals to wander the cities until they

(48:14):
assault someone and tragically take a life. It is a
policy decision primarily from leftists who have adopted the soft
on crime stances and was a big factor in what
released to Carlos Brown to commit this savage attack on
an innocent woman, something that Jesse Waters went into detail

(48:36):
on his Fox show when he made the connection between
di Carlos wandering the streets and the political decisions of
a DEI justice system that let him out.

Speaker 33 (48:49):
This is Teresa Stokes, a harristoner who doesn't even have
a law degree but just made a career criminal and
a schizophrenic who beat his own sister. When he was
out on parole, Pinky promised that he'd behaved. Miss Stakes
wasn't elected. She was nominated by the clerk in Mecklenburg County.
The sitting clerk is Alissa chin Gary. On her LinkedIn page,

(49:09):
she calls herself a clerk and a DEI consultant and
a racial equity organizer and her life mission reparations.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
We are here to honor them, to lift their names,
and to continue that into generational work that we are
required to do to eliminate structural racism.

Speaker 33 (49:29):
Miss Stokes was nominated by Judge Carla Archie. Judge Archie's
friends with Eric Holder, Obama's wingman, and Judge Archie isn't
just any judge. In twenty nineteen, she was the DEI
Champion of the Year. Is this starting to make sense?
Did a woman die because of DEI? Just a couple
months ago, a guy shot five people on New Year's

(49:50):
and Judge Archie sentenced them to a year and a
half for shooting five people a year and a half.
This is a Dei court and they have blood on
their hand.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
What a sick joke. I should have stopped him when
I had the chance.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
This is absolutely a political conversation, a political shift that
has taken place in just over the last thirty or
so years, especially the last twenty where liberals have adopted
the Dei mindset, where they have adopted the soft on
crime views. If you go back to the nineteen nineties,

(50:26):
you will find much more common sense being espoused by
Democrats of all people, including our own mayor Joe Hogg set.
I'm sure many of you heard that clip from when
he was running and not the US but for the
Indiana Senate, I should say, back in nineteen ninety two,
or the famous clip from Joe Biden himself in nineteen

(50:48):
ninety three on an anti crime tear that would sound
more at home with Republicans in twenty twenty five, but
not so long ago, was a shared viewpoint between the parties.
This is why I say it is a political discussion
because on the left side of the aisle there has
been considerable political decay, and it's just happened in the

(51:10):
last thirty.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Years, you have predators on our streets.

Speaker 28 (51:14):
It doesn't matter whether or not the person that is
a costume, your son or daughter, or my son or daughter,
my wife, your husband, my mother, your parents. It doesn't
matter whether or not they were.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Deprived as a youth.

Speaker 28 (51:29):
It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society.
The end result is they're about to knock my mother
on the head with a lead pipe, shoot my sister,
beat up my wife, taken on my sons.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
So I don't want to ask what made them do this.

Speaker 28 (51:46):
They must be taken off the street.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
He's absolutely right, that's not ai manipulation. That is just
Joe Biden at a time where he had a much
more reason the point of view and was only radicalized
in recent times. So this is very much a political
conversation and continues to be when you have legislators, when

(52:12):
you have people like the Tennessee representative Justin Pearson, who
is equivocating law enforcements with white supremacy.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
And when you have.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
That view, is it any wonder why it is a
priority to release, especially minority criminals, back out on society.
This is in response to Donald Trump announcing that he
is going to put the National Guard and stationed them
in Memphis and New Orleans to crack down on crime

(52:47):
much the same way as was done in Washington, d C.
That's white supremacy. According to Justin Pearson.

Speaker 9 (52:52):
People in Memphis are disappointed, angry, frustrated with the continuation
of the abuse of power by this administration toward his
own authoritarian aims. And it is nothing more than using
our city as a white supremacist ploy to ensure that
his base stayed riled up and does not pay attention
to the reality of the facts in our city and

(53:15):
cities across the country, which that the federal government is
not investing in our cities.

Speaker 29 (53:19):
Money please, Oh no, no, there's no money.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Oh oh, that's sign.

Speaker 10 (53:25):
I'll just destroy this office.

Speaker 34 (53:30):
Money please, money man, give her some money.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
It's easier.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Even as cities are becoming less safe than ever before,
still they cling to the false premise that it is
a lack of funding which is primarily responsible for criminal
decay in society. Nothing could be further from the truth
and again goes to show WHOOPI Goldberg is absolutely incorrect.
And this murder and these murders plural that happen in

(53:58):
primarily Democrat run city must be politicized because it is
a political problem that has created this situation and it
will be a political solution that we find our way
out of it. Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC.
Stay tuned for more Saturday Night on the Circle.

Speaker 23 (54:21):
There's something happened in you.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
What it is exactly?

Speaker 5 (54:29):
There's a man with a gun over there.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
You're listening to Saturday Night on the Circle a ninety
three WYPC.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Thank you, time stop, welcome back to Saturday Night on
the Circle. Unfortunately, I went really long in the first segment,
so this is going to be a little bit short,
but I wanted to play for you some very disgusting
soundbites from Democrats, and we've seen them all across the board,
from local politicians to nobody's chasing social media a clout

(55:00):
and sharing their repugnant views in public, celebrating the death
the assassination, i should say, correctly of Charlie Kirk at
the Utah Valley University, and some people have shown their
ugliness and let it efferves from their very soul, just
like this Ningham poop.

Speaker 25 (55:46):
It is my earnest wish ema to temper justice with mercy.
Your persistent dedication to a life of crime is an
abomination before.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
God and man.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
That sound bite was so disgusting. I could see even
pretty sir Jack getting outraged, and usually he's pretty even tempered.
But that's just grossommer, right.

Speaker 24 (56:06):
Yeah, you shouldn't be happy about that.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Let alone singing a little song like that. You know,
I hope somebody bops him on the nose, you know,
don't you know, respond with certainly killing anybody, but maybe
maybe a bop on the nose as well deserved. And
here's Bill Maher calling for Democrats correctly to tone down
the rhetoric and stop calling their opponents literally hitler. It's

(56:32):
literally not true this point.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
It has to stop too. He went out to dinner.
I wouldn't have done that in Washington, d C.

Speaker 16 (56:40):
Okay, and people started to gather around him and they
were chanting, you're the Hitler of our time.

Speaker 12 (56:46):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (56:47):
First of all, assholes, He's not Hitler, Okay, an insult
to everybody in the Holocaust to begin with. Second of all,
calling somebody hitler makes it a lot easier to justify
things like assassinations.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
Let's put a floaded that away.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Shall we correct, couldn't have said it any better myself.
Stay tuned, ladies and gentlemen. Coming up next, Friend of
the Show producer Carl joins us for another edition of
Carl's Conspiracy Corner.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
Don't miss it.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
This is Saturday Night on the Circle O Night three WYBC.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Welcome back to Saturday Night on the Circle. I'm your
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dot com in my personal podcasting page Saturday Night on
the Circle dot fireside dot FM, and we're streaming live
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can hop in the chat and join the show. This week,
the unthinkable came to pass when the crack of an

(57:57):
assassin's bullet rang out at Utah Valley University and tragically
killed Turning Point USA co founder Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
This was the ultimate demonstration.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
That when leftists construe words is violence, they will respond
with actual violence. Yet, in the face of monumental injustice,
there is a silver lining that thus far there have
been no riots in the streets or burning police precincts,
no acts of retaliatory violence that are commonplace for Marxists
but rejected by Republicans, proving Charlie Kirk's ultimate message that

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there is a distinct difference in moral values between the
right and the left. Now put plainly for all to see.
Here to more in the passing of a free speech
icon and condemn the radical violence of leftists lunatics with
perfect clarity is the one and only producer Carl, who
joins us for a special edition of Carl's Conspiracy Corner.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
You are listening to Carl's Conspiracy Corder.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
The truth is out there.

Speaker 32 (58:54):
Have you ever seen a calming drink a glass of water?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Wow, I'm say I have. The views expressed by Conspiracy
Carl are those of Karl and Karl alone. They are
enough the use of his station or its distributors.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
I mean, obviously, this week has been wrought with enormous tragedy,
and following the untimely demise of Charlie Kirk at the
hand of an assassin's bullet, I don't think any of
us expected to see the gruesome images that were promulgated
on social media following his assassination, but for that reason,

(59:30):
I think it has captivated the attention of the American audience,
because if they're willing to do it to him, somebody
who has no control, no power over anybody, no hand
on the lever of any government organization, if they are
going to assassinate him, then they could do it to
any one of us.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
Welcome to the show, Carl.

Speaker 34 (59:50):
Well, that's absolutely true, because just think about, like all
the people that have been assaulted by these crazy leftists
just for wearing a maga hat. I have a couple
of Maga hats. I won't wear them in public.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
People that were pushed in front of trains. Oh yeah, no, I.

Speaker 34 (01:00:09):
In theory, not in theory, but the reality is I
have the right to wear a maga hat, but realistically
I don't want the trouble so that the left already,
you know, assaults regular people on a daily basis, because
regular people have to always have their head on a

(01:00:29):
swivel against these nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
This is the precedent that they've said, because they have
said words are violent, so when you say something they
disagree with, they feel like it's punching them in the face.
But they will actually punch you in the face or
do far worse. And people are noticing, Yeah, well noticing
is happening. Pattern recognition is happening.

Speaker 34 (01:00:51):
My goodness, Think about how angry they get if you
misgender somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
They want to kill.

Speaker 34 (01:00:56):
You and they if somebody yeah, and if somebody's killed,
they will like be in glee.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
On the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Well, and speaking of the internet, we're getting more information
about the alleged shooter all the time, including messages that
were engraved on his bullets, bizarre memes from the internet.
This is somebody who was terminally online, somebody who allowed
their personality to be molded by the toxic stew of
leftist internet culture.

Speaker 34 (01:01:25):
Here's the rule of thumb.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
Stay off.

Speaker 34 (01:01:28):
I mean, we have to be on the internet from
time to time, but get out, breathe the air.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
A world. No it's not, get out of your mom's
basement and touch some grass. Get a hold of yourself.
This is a person who was just engaging in debate.
And I didn't even agree with a lot of what
Charlie Kirk had to say. He came from, you know, things,
from a perspective that in many regards I fundamentally disagree with.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
But you don't get to choose who your martyrs are.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
And I certainly don't think he or anybody I fundamentally
disagree with deserve to be executed for their point of view.
And so he has now become the center point of
this conversation, this idea.

Speaker 34 (01:02:08):
It's good that you use that word martyrs.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Here's the key.

Speaker 34 (01:02:10):
People on the right know darn well that if somebody
on the left, somebody high profile on the left, gets killed,
they will become a martyr. And we on the right
do not want that to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Well, look, well, look, well look what they did with
George Floyd. That was what I was alluding to in
the introduction to this segment. They set precincts on fire.
They're marching in the streets, destroying.

Speaker 34 (01:02:32):
We do not want people to get killed, because that
results in hell. We do not want that. But yet
they label people on the right, and I even cringe
at that notion that we that are libertarian minded are
on the right. We're just rational. We just want to

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be left alone. We want to be able to go
to work, we want to do things and be free,
but we don't want to be assaulted with essentially the
leftist morality quote morality, and it's a cult.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
As I've said before.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Whenever you have to and you never have to. But
whenever people resort to I should say violence against their
ideological opponents, it always has the reverse effect. You don't
prove your point, you draw people to the other side.
And that's what's happened in the last you know now
seventy two hours or more since Charlie Kirk's assassination, his

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podcast has jumped up to the number one in all
of the charts tracking podcasts. A lot of right wing
podcasts are also getting similar exposure because people are rejecting
the violence and the insanity that is being promulgated by
the left.

Speaker 34 (01:03:47):
Well, it was set on Tony's show this morning. Notice
that there were no buildings burned down. Notice that there
were no riots anything on the left riots and people
dragged out of their cars and killed.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I mean, yeah, that's that's the president that they set
during the what was called the Summer of Love twenty twenty,
the George Floyd riots.

Speaker 34 (01:04:06):
So I want to play this tape that I found
yesterday as to why Charlie Kirk was killed.

Speaker 10 (01:04:13):
Political radicalism. He's a catalyst. Political radicalism does not come
out of peace, prosperity, rising wages, stable families, church attendants,
and happy people. Happy people, grateful people do not get
behind Vladimir Lenin, and they certainly don't get behind Schavez
or Castro.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
That's right.

Speaker 10 (01:04:30):
People that own nothing, that feel like their property is diminishing,
that have property or their dollars diminishing in value, they
start to look for alternatives. And so the political project
in front of us as conservative should be how do
we actually deradicalize the country in the next couple of years.
That's that's my obsession. That's why I say try not
to think about all this other stuff because it's just,
you know, it's so much brain space. My number one

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obsession is I know what is coming next.

Speaker 34 (01:04:56):
So that's Charlie Kirk talking to Tucker Carlson, and it's
a topic that we talk about on the Conspiracy Corner
podcast a lot. They meaning the globalists, the puppeteers, they
want you to be miserable. They want you to be angry.
They want you to be so angry you burn it
all down so they can recreate the world in their utopia.

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That's their communism. You got to tear it all down
so they can rebuild such society. And the thing that
concerns me while we engage on it on the right,
talking about all the miscreants on the left, the puppeteers
on top, which we're no club of. They want us
fighting with each other, and this is why they create

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all of this civil unrest.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
In in the days since Charlie Kirk's assassination, it is
more important now than ever before to follow his message
of nonviolence.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
This is how we're.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Going to demonstrate that there is a fundamental difference in
moral values between the right between the left, because, like
you said, it's different in how we express our outrage.
Where whereas we will attack the idea, they will attack
the person. So we shouldn't respond violently. I've seen posts
now online of some people harassing the parents of the

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alleged shooter that has been identified.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Don't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Parents. They're turned them in right and right. It's not
their fault for the actions of their son. By I
mean what we know at this point, they seem to
be normal human beings and it was their son who's
been corrupted by radical online influences. You know, we're again
finding more information out all the time, but we shouldn't

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respond violently under any circumstance.

Speaker 34 (01:06:42):
Well, if I'm going to pin any sort of responsibility. Obviously,
the individual is always the one that's responsible. But what
do you expect by a media system that is constantly
labeling anybody right of center as Nazi? What do you
expect people to do? I mean, this argument has been

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made over and over again. If you were alive before
Hitler came to power, what would you have done? Well,
they would say I'd kill Hitler. Well, if the left
is going to say that people on the right are
Nazis over and over and over again, when Nazi quite
literally means national socialists, what do you think is going

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to happen to disturbed individual they are going to try
to do something violent?

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Well, and it shows how people are so so affected
by the government's co opting of parents. They at schools,
you know, they become your teacher. They are taking you
away from stabilizing influences in your life, and they sow
the seeds unfortunately of this kind of gross radicalize.

Speaker 34 (01:07:53):
Well, isn't that the irony of all ironies that these
leftists are always fighting the man, but they always listen
to what the man has to tell them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Well, you know that's the old adage whenever you point
your finger for a pointing back at you.

Speaker 34 (01:08:05):
I don't trust my government, but I trust the government
schools and the government run media companies.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
It's a mess, Carl. Unfortunately, we are running out of
time for this segment. But this has been This has
been a rough week. It's been one of the worst
in a long time, especially hitting on the anniversary of
nine nine. It feels very similar the attitude of the
country as it did in the post nine to eleven days.
And I think that his assassination is going to be

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a unifying force, hopefully for the better.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
I truly believe so.

Speaker 34 (01:08:36):
Well, fortunately for you and me, it's a Saturday night,
so let's celebrate.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
After Yeah, stay tuned to ninety three WIBC. This is
Saturday Night on the Circle.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Life is just about of chairs, do mesria, ysteria.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
This is Saturday Night on the Circle three WYBC.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
When you go and.

Speaker 14 (01:08:59):
Go go, so keep repeating.

Speaker 24 (01:09:01):
Is the bear is the strongest oak mouth fall the
sweet things in line to you were just low, So
how can you lose one?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
You never own line.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
It's one of my all time favorite songs by the
seminal artist Cliff Edwards. In the early part of the
twentieth Century. Thanks for listening to what's been an incredibly
emotional edition of Saturday Night on the Circle, an incredible
national tragedy that has touched many Americans deeply as well
it should because of what the assassination of Charlie Cook

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Kirk represents, which is an assault on free speech that
threatens us all, and it's consumed so much time, so
much attention, and it's drained so much of our emotional
resources just to keep up with the story as it's developed,
and then now the killer in custody. One of the

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ways that I usually hope with stress and get my
mind off of the things in that that just there's
so much crazy that goes on in the modern day
and age. But one of the things that gets me
away from that is my antique and collecting hobby. I
like to delve into the past and to connect with
the stories that these items tell, which is one of

(01:10:19):
the reasons why I've been thrilled to share the airwaves
on the First Day show with Terry Stacey, Denny Smith
and of course producer Kylin and and have an opportunity
to share some of these relics and their stories with
you the audience. This past Sunday, I was invited on
the show and got to share a little bit about
a curious artifact that I rescued in New Jersey, of

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all places. This was a Kuba Kingdom African war sword,
and I got to tell the crew all about it.

Speaker 30 (01:10:50):
In studio with us, we've got a food news guest
coming up that way, and the food the room smells
like wings, so we're hoping we're gonna get a little
wing action here in just aligating inside, tailgating inside.

Speaker 21 (01:11:00):
But joining us now is Ethan Hatcher.

Speaker 30 (01:11:02):
He's the host of Saturday Nights on the Circle and
he brings to us always our first day show and tell.
And today Hi, Ethan, Hey, Terry, would you bring us today?

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
I brought an African war sword.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
But first I got a dovetail off what you were saying,
because it smells distractingly delicious in this studio.

Speaker 15 (01:11:20):
It's a crazy concept in here, Like I know the
author who wrote the Importance of Being Earnest, but I'm
totally blanking on it right now because the food just
smells it's so damn delicious.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
I'm I'm just blanking wild.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Yeah, I knew that famous Victorian playwright, but but I'm
distracted by the air fire.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
You've got here.

Speaker 30 (01:11:43):
This a moment pretty cool for those of you following
us along. Following along on us on YouTube you can
see Ethan is now showing you his thing, toothpick.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Well, it is the formal name. And this is an
ill wound sword I l w o O. And it
was primarily used in war, but also ceremonial purposes. And
it came from the Kuba Kingdom in Africa, which flourished
from the seventeenth to the nineteenth centuries, or about sixteen

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twenty five to eighteen eighty five.

Speaker 29 (01:12:16):
Now that was brutal warfare. You're cutting off limbs and
hands and heads.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Yes, certainly there was a lot of brutal warfare. But
also they were trade driven kingdom, and so they had
a lot of money compared to some of the other
tribes in the region, and they had a lot of
artistic output as a result, so a lot of textiles,
a lot of masks, a lot of ceremonial things like
if you look up Kuba Kingdom swords, there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
Large Sullivan calls me a nerd.

Speaker 29 (01:12:43):
It always makes fun of me when I get interested
in some did you go looking for this or did
you just happen upon.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
It, Like so many of my favorite findes, I just
happened upon it. This wasn't something I was searching for, Danny.
I mean, how would you go about searching for something
like this?

Speaker 21 (01:12:56):
But what would make you? What drew you to this
item to buy?

Speaker 15 (01:13:00):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Well, because it's so fascinating, because it's beautiful, because the artistry.
If you look at the carvings at the end here
on the handle or what is the I would assume
it's ebening because that's a that's an African wood that
I'm not entirely sure because I'm not incredibly incredibly educated
about the because but I love like you can still
see the faint imprint of some of the workings on

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the iron.

Speaker 29 (01:13:23):
So okay, if it's back then they must have known metallurgy.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
Is it steel? Is it bronze?

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Is it Copperwise, it is a steel, I believe, Yeah,
but it has a has a high iron content because
you can see it's kind of rusted and deteriorated over age.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Yeah, you can hold it.

Speaker 29 (01:13:41):
Now, Wait a minute, Terry, you've got such bad mood you're.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Going on here.

Speaker 21 (01:13:44):
Nearly I thought it would be real heavy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
No, it's a it's a war sword. It was made
for combat, so those things were awkward.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
To wield, you know, and lightweight.

Speaker 21 (01:13:53):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
And then that that that raised surface right in the
middle is what gave it the head and the strength to.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
Be able to use that.

Speaker 29 (01:14:02):
And then sometimes a blood channel, but that's a ridge.

Speaker 30 (01:14:08):
By the way, we have even in here to show
us show and tell. First of all, I loved Show
and Tell as a kid.

Speaker 21 (01:14:14):
And Ethan is.

Speaker 30 (01:14:15):
A collector and he collectsst fascinating things and oftentimes it's
not you know, to add to like a salt and
pepper shakers, like he's got he's got a wide interest
in what he buys and sells.

Speaker 29 (01:14:27):
I'm trying to say, he's just got weird eclectic interests.

Speaker 21 (01:14:30):
Like my grandma she collected on bottles or she collected.

Speaker 29 (01:14:34):
She just compared you to her grandma.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
We're going, well here.

Speaker 30 (01:14:38):
They had something they specifically looked at. And Grandma always said,
you know what, find something.

Speaker 21 (01:14:41):
And collect it.

Speaker 30 (01:14:42):
And so she tried collected ceramic horses or you know.
She she wanted you to have a specific area that
you loved and collected it.

Speaker 21 (01:14:51):
And that's what she said, how to do it? Ethan
is all He's all over the place, and because.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Collect phonographs or more phonographs and a huge variety of
at RP disc Actually, that's part of the reason how
I came across this war sword, because I was going
to a phonograph show in Wayne, New Jersey, and we
decided to visit the Edison factory in Orange, New Jersey,
and also decided to stop that area antique store.

Speaker 29 (01:15:16):
Where do you get your hats?

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
Okay?

Speaker 29 (01:15:17):
I get a text message. Ethan's hats are always the greatest.
Where do you get these hats?

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
I have collected them ever since I was young.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
This particular hat that I'm wearing is a plane style hat,
and my grandfather gave it to me when I was
very young.

Speaker 21 (01:15:31):
All right, Ethan, will you bring us something again soon?

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
I mean eventually I'm going to run out of stuff,
But until then, you can just.

Speaker 21 (01:15:39):
Go once a month and make it bigger.

Speaker 30 (01:15:40):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:15:40):
I was curious if you would have a cults edition
show and tell, And honestly, this could be a cults
edition because they're going to.

Speaker 30 (01:15:48):
Okay, okay, what you did there? Yeah, very very timely
and topical it's perfect. Ethan hatch Saturday nights on the Circle.
You catch him here, what time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Even seven to nine every Saturday night. You can find
us on YouTube and the podcasting platforms.

Speaker 21 (01:16:01):
Stick around. We've got more food news coming up. Ethan.
Stick around for the food. Okay, that's edition deal.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
And in fact, the food was phenomenally delicious. I'm glad
I got to stick around and share the experience. However,
that brings this evening's program to a close. And if
you're hearing my voice, I just encourage you. You know
what takes some time. Shut off the radio, shut off
the TV, turn off the social media, go touch grass,
go outside, soak up some sun. And most importantly, if

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you're still here, hug your family. Tell them you love them.
If you have children, tell them that they are cared for.
And I'll leave you with my parting words of wisdom.
As always, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, and whoever
you're with, remember that life is a state of mind.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
And I'll see you next week.

Speaker 19 (01:17:03):
But I'm all read my

Speaker 13 (01:17:07):
Sons, so