#174 Julia Morris Unfiltered: Life After Divorce, ADHD & A Ton of Laughs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Him, I boris and this is straight talk. You know
there's time.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
My god, Mark, you're going to die.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Julia Morris, welcome to straight Talk.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thank you so much, market absolute pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Do you have lived a life undiagnosed, but now you
are diagnosed, You've gone through a divorce, You've done a
million different things in your life. Do you think yourself, Julia,
I'm going to give yourself a patter on the back.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Ah at all times that since getting divorced, the greatest
lesson I taught myself, I think is instead of trying
to prove to everyone, I'm decent.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm a friend, I'm loyal, I'm all the good stuff.
Now I feel like I say, do you behave well
enough to have access to me? And if you don't,
fucking beat it, see you later. I'm sorry, computer denied.
I think the bad stuff so easy to go. All
the bloody cars on this and now the house and
that's stupid around, how the roof's rotten and whatever that is.

(00:54):
But it's remembering to notice the glimmers is what everybody's
calling them.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Juliet, I got two words for you. Inspired. You're inspiring.
You're actually inspiring, ah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I thought you were going to say you're fired.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Excited.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, thrilled to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Julia Morris, welcome to straight Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you so much. Market an absolute pleasure to be
here and a big departure that I'm able to call
you Mark from each other.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
And you look great, thank you look like you look younger.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh mate, I'm some phoenix out of the flame ship.
Nick's absolutely right. I feel I literally feel like I've
pressed the reset button and I'm about to start the
next big stage of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
So you're just back from Africa. Your show's now airing.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, so we go live to air. So we're six
weeks away from most of January, a bit of February
in up in the Kruger National Park. So it's all
done and dusted for the year.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
And how was it like? So, I mean you've got
a new co host.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, Robert Irwin. Oh my god, Mark spectacular human?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
How is he?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't understand how he's such an accomplished human? He's
twin t he one.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
What the hell does that?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I know that might sound patronizing to younger people, and
I don't mean it to sound like that, but it's
not often I will cross paths with somebody who is
so young, who feels about a lifetime more mature than
I am.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Like, how does the dynamic work? Though? Because like, I
can't imagine me working with a twenty one year old
girl if it's the opposite sex. I like, I don't know,
I wand you are much older than you, But like,
how does that work? Like how do the who works
out of those dynamics?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Like the producer or no will I auditioned with a
number of people to see if they were going to
be possible for the Jungle, And then when Robert came in, Honestly,
my one of my early thoughts, apart from him being amazing,
one of my early thoughts is is this going to
age me out of the format?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I've never seen on this planet a woman in her
fifty side by side of the twenty one year making
like television work. So I mean, you know I will
be able to make television work with this stick. So
I already know that Robert has this incredible wealth of experience.
I know he's got a great sense of humor because

(03:16):
I've met him a couple of times, and he came
in for the audition and all of a sudden, nobody
else existed, and the age I don't even think we
ever speak about age. Age just doesn't come into it.
I think he's a He's an incredibly savvy, well read
young man, and he would know I feel like he
would know how to wrestle a croc. But he would

(03:37):
also be able to tell you what the michell and
what each micheline star is for. He's kind of that guy,
do you know what I mean? Like he's always in
mud and running around and doing that sort of stuff,
but he also would understand some of I'm not sure
the finer things in life is the right way to
say it, but yeah, he's super fascinating human being.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I'm actually quite intrigued about how it's going to how
the interaction is going to work, because I remember when
you were on The Celebrity Apprentice that when we had
all you know you guys lined up boys and girls,
and I said to the production people after the first episode,
she's going to win it. And Nina, Oh, you can't

(04:20):
say that now, you can't you know how to do that,
And I said, I'm just telling you, she's going to
win it. That's you. Julie Morris and and you just
come back off a comedy tour whatever you call it.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'm living in Los Angeles for a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And you were a little a little underdone in terms
of what I mean by those I felt like at
the beginning you lacked a bit of confidence. But there's
a show. You certainly got your conference.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Can I know why I came in early as well,
because I was at that stage traveling back and forth
to Los Angeles every five weeks, come home, do some gigs,
go back again. And this was the first wage that
had floated the surface in a long long time that
that felt like with every week that I last, I'll
be able to pay another month in La. So my motivation,

(05:07):
certainly when I arrived was let's get two, three, four
weeks of wages.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
And that's because we paid you just so.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, so to stay in the show longer, I was
the incentive to earn.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
The longer you get paid per day, yeah a day rate, yes.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
So then, and certainly for that first week, I think
in any reality show there feels like there's a lot
of roostering that goes on in that first week. I
don't know if it's meant to show other people you're smart,
or whether it's to you know, make the competition feel
a bit nervous. So I was like, yeah, I think
I'll let all the roosters just do their rooster thing.
And I'd worked out from early in the piece that

(05:42):
if I was a great second in charge, that whoever
was leading the charge of each of those tasks would
not blame me for anything that went wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Support that it's run under the bus. Yes, that's creeping.
Can I make it a confession to you? I also said,
And they also said to me too, We've got to
keep room because when the show gets a bit dead
like and it does like, she's always good for a gag,
so they can if they knew that, we can vox

(06:16):
you and you know, we get a little comment from
you on something when we have a flat spot. And
when we come to the edit, if we've got if
it's editing sort of bit flat for that particular episode,
we can bring we we've already got some material from Julia.
We'll just get the old mole and throw throw that.
Throw that in and it just lifts the it lifts
the tempo up a bit. And and and what I

(06:40):
didn't know is where the hell you get your energy
from to be that way like you were and you
still are immediately you know, you're fifty seven years of
age over you still immediately bubbly like it's a bubbly
Julia all the time.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Alive, Wake up, alive.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's a good stand drives a lit up right now. Well,
I've had some decksund a means so the Dexies see
you on the Dexies only recently.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'm four weeks in maybe.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
So tell me about that. Okay, we were talking about
our side.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Both of my girls. We've been going through our various
son two daughters. I've got two daughters sixteen and eighteen
years old, and we've been going through our neurodiverse journey
over the last I mean three years maybe where we're like,
things aren't working in our brains like we'd like them to.
I think at twenty fifty seven, I just thought, this

(07:29):
is how my brain works, and that's how it is.
So that's that sometimes I'm not good at stuff, sometimes
I'm good at stuff, and you learn what works for
you and you kind of did more of that, I guess.
So last year with both of my girls diagnosed, I
was like, did.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
You sorry, did you think there was something not wrong
with something different? Diverse? Therefore you decided to get your
daughters diagnosed.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
First, I think the girls wanted answers. Both of them
had been saying, I reckon since year seven. They're now
in year big part year eleven and just finished school.
They've both been saying for a long time, I reckon,
We've got adhd mum. And I was like, it's a
few years ago. I'm like, oh, yeah, everyone's gone all right, Yeah,
I know, we've all got it's very interesting and that
obviously is not the right attitude. And the more we

(08:13):
kind of worked on it, then the girls were like,
you know, you have looked at yourself, haven't you. And
I'll be like, come on, I'm just d yeah, I'm
a weird anomaly. I'm just like, you know, I'm a
cookie or whatever. And then I thought, well, maybe I
think with menopause as well. With menopause, what happens is
the brain anything that you were able to mask in

(08:33):
the past and look capable and be together and finish
the sentence and trial a la, all of a sudden,
all bets are off and the brain's like I'm going
to leave you to it. So I was feeling like
I was spiraling a little bit with like, you know,
I'm urgent, I'm tired, I'm all of these different emotions
within one day. And as you say, sparky in the mornings,

(08:54):
and even though I joke about, oh god, ya get
a heartbeat, but the decks and it means which is
a vivance And it's a slow roll out of eight hours.
What that does is it lets me focus on what
I'm doing instead of what would normally be happening for
me and my brain. I'd be like, oh, there's a
silver thing over there that's going to make under my

(09:14):
chin look better. This light's going to be good. I
wonder if my glasses are reflecting. I should have probably
put some more lipstick on. You know, that rain this
morning ruin my hair. But one of those cameras on,
that's a nice camera. What you thinking about, Cannon at
all times while talking to you? So now all I'm
doing is talking to you. So I feel like it's
cut away fifteen radio stations to one.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Was it a relief to find it out? Or is it?
Or is it a do you know?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Lots of people have been sort of a lot of
talk about ADHD online, and they were saying I was
just an excuse. It's an excuse to behave badly or
not to call back friends or to do whatever. But
for me, it has been an explanation. I feel like
it's given me an explanation. Ah, Okay, So I'm not
a bad person because I couldn't return that call. I'm

(10:00):
not you know, I'm not a bad person because I
can't keep up socially when my batteries are out and
so on, and so yeah, I think it's allowed me
to kind of slow things down. I don't want to
be all urgent for this next part of my life.
I want to feel like I am, you know, a
bit more chill, to hang around and feeling chill inside.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It just explained it to me, though, a little bit more,
because I found something you just said quite interesting. And
I've often wondered this about people who have ADHD. Do
you sort of go a million miles now and then
as you said, the batteries sort of run out and
you just got.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Spat out the other end?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Serious? I think, so, yeah, you're not all that. You're
not like that to the time you get into bed
and you're still like that when you're sleeping.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
No, no, so you do sort of run out of yeah,
and it's all said. I don't make many plans that
co Grandma. I don't make many plans at night because
I find by about six.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
O'clock I will be cooked.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'd rather start cutting then go out and be social.
I have no interest that's out with all the drinkers.
No judge, no judgment, no judgment. But you know, and
I love a glass of wine, but I can't. I
can't be out after dark just having people talking.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Now there has always been the case.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Now, I think I've always been a bit of a homebody. Actually,
I would much rather be at home and have a
couple of pals over than partying anywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So does that mean you're like it sounds crazy for me,
asked the question. But a little bit introverted in a social.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Sense, introverted, extrovert.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I think it's weird. It's weird, like you, right, that's.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
The ADHD wanting to be out and like even when
I'm at home, should have made a plan. I've got
this time. I'd love to catch up with a friend.
Don't see anybody most of the time, and then when
it comes to the moment, I.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Don't want to do it?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Why do I have to go? Why have I done this?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Once? You once you're there, you flip, you flip back
into I.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Do you enjoy it? But I'm also counting when when
can I get out of here? That's mad down time
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Fuck. Maybe maybe I got to do because like.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Get in the algorithm. It's fascinating, there is one. So
you know that hyperactivity is not busy, busy drag queen.
The hyperactivity is all in your mind. And so I
my mind feels like a bit of a rolodex. Did
a little, did a little, did a little, a little. Yeah,
So that's the slowdown I needed. But the other part

(12:21):
of ADHD is before you realize that. You know, I'm
not going to describe it very well because I'm still
taking a little deep dive into it. But what happens
when you've there's a lot of addiction issues with it
because you have some self regulating stuff. So you have
to be careful with booze. You have to be careful
if you're like a jazz cigarette. Oh might be ab
addicted to that. But honestly, Mark no judgement or no,

(12:45):
I think the roots have closed. That's a shame. But like,
how do you get to the point where you are
gonna I don't like kiss somebody I don't understand, So
I just I think that might be over for me
that section.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
But what about what about addiction to your work?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Definitely?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Definitely, So if you look back when you're you know,
when you were ten fifteen years ago, do you think
you were addicted to your work as well?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I think that I thought I didn't have Okay, let
me put it this way, even though I know was
going to sound wrong. I didn't have much brains, but
I knew I could hard work hard.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, So now I.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Realized, I think I might have been confused about my
brain because of the way the adhd rolls. And now
that I've started the harness a little bit and understand
it. And also the interesting thing about having the diagnosis is
I can start to plan a day or a week,
or a month or a trip knowing that these are
some of my shortfalls or some of my little idiosyncrasies.

(13:44):
So now I know to build in the rest time,
I'm going to need a little processing. So if I'm
on a big trip, we're heading on to Tokyo with
my youngest. So I built in like a little half morning,
half afternoon where we really just stop and scroll or
do whatever it is to let the brain reset itself.
So definitely get that diagnosed. My diagnosis has helped, Yeah,

(14:05):
me run days a little bit better. Otherwise I'm up
early and I'm going to smash myself until I'm still
doing chores by the time I get into bed.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
So just given that what you're saying, because I'm sort
of thinking along with you, does that mean that because
you're so hyper focused on many, many things, that your
peripheral vision relative to other things going on in your
life might be to some extent reduced, and as a

(14:37):
result of that, you might be open to being manipulated.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Definitely, Oh my god, that fernitely easy to manipulate because
I see the good in people. Yeah, I think I
think I'm easy to manipulate. Because, uh, I should put
this in the past tense. I feel like the last
three or four years I've been doing some pretty extensive
work on myself with thinking about trying to recognize if

(15:02):
someone's being rude to my face. Because sometimes if someone's
rude to my face, what I will do is think,
oh no, they're going to be so embarrassed when they
realize how Maine they've been. They're going to be embarrassed
about that. So I'm going to let them off the
hook so they don't feel embarrassed about that later while
they're being rude to my face instead of being like, hey,
you know what, go get fucked. Yeah, I'm all like,

(15:24):
oh no, no, it's all good man.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
So that people please you before, that's people pleasing all along.
That's a big part of ADHD as well.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
People please.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, the people pleasing and the compliance. I'd much rather
do that than be in trouble. I don't want to
be in trouble.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Because the reason I said that because I remember had
you said to you, I'm going to apologize in advance
for doing it, but I just said to you. We
always knew that we could keep Julia in the show,
even though you were the best in the show. Like
you in my view, you should have won. You did win,
but we also kept in it for convenience sake because
I knew from what because I used to see all

(16:01):
the the day before, so they showed me the stuff
in the know before we get in there again the
early and we look through the previous day and I'd
see Julia in there, just so good for us, like
giving us, helping us for those blind spots with energy
because everyone gets pretty stuffed, you know, like and you
always give us a good you know, thirty seconds. And

(16:22):
to some extent, I thought, well, let's use her, yeah
to fill the show gaps up, I was saying that,
And it.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Gives it that nice little comedy moment at the end,
even if it's been something stressful, or because the more
stressed you get through a shoot like that, the more
tired you get through a shit like that.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Which one we want, We want everyone to get tired,
because we wanted to break down and give us tears
and all sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
And also like oh yeah, we'll.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Make mistakes and yes, And to some extent I was
a bit guilty of this because I didn't realize the HD,
but back then I didn't know it was. But I
just thought, she's going to give us the feelings all
the time, so let's just keep it on, let's keep
me wrong. But what I'm probably going to lead to
then is does that mean that in your life other

(17:11):
people have manipulated you or taken advantage of I think
your commission.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh definitely, particularly not knowing you have a condition. So
I think getting older is also one of those transitional
periods through to like I'm not going to do that anymore.
I don't need to go out to that tonight. Oh gosh,
I'm going to hurt their feelings if I don't do
such and such. Guess what, I'm just not going to
do it. So I'll be honest with that.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Okay, that's a good one, because like preservation of yourself
preservation particularly a time. Do you find if you reflect
on your life, would you conclude that over your life
there are so many things that you said yes to
which you said no, fuck off. I'm just going to
keep that time of themselves. I don't need to go
to that. Yeah, so is that a thing? Has that

(17:54):
been a thing?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think? So I'm not a great one for going
to things anyway. I think I am right.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Let's say it's because you've got to go. You know,
it's a red carpet. Whatever got to go.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
And like, even so, if the logis last year, I'd
not long got my diagnosis for ADHD, but I couldn't
get in to see a psychiatrist for nearly four and
a half months.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
So I can't get your medication.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I knew that I was going to have a medication option.
I only wanted to check it to see if it
made me less volatile, to see if it made me
less reactionary, to see if it just made my life
feel slightly less like I'm going to chuck at all times.
You know, that anxiety and that intense and I rang
the GP and I'm like, I'm going to kill someone
in that carpet on Sunday. I'm going to lose my
career on Sunday. Is there anything anything we can do?

(18:34):
Because I'm going to rip someone's fucking face off, Like
are they gonna ask me a stupid question or what?
Like I'm in no mood. And so she started me
on HRT that afternoon, on the hormone replacement therapy, and
that definitely gave me a little a little bit more
of a breathe calm until I could get the medication.
But there's definitely a big gap in the way we

(18:57):
roll out our medical system, certainly for medication. And it's correct,
I guess, because you don't want everyone just chucking out
the meds everywhere, but waiting four and a half months
when I knew that there was something for four months
to see a psych, to see a psych before they
then sent me for a series of heart tests before
I'm then allowed to have the medicacau.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Don' no one to have a heart attack on the dexies.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I mean, honestly, I wouldn't have minded at that point.
I needed such relief, but there it goes. So yeah,
over that time when you're in no mood and you've
got to go, I don't even know what I did.
I think I just had to breathe it out and
go old school with how I'd learnt to manage myself

(19:38):
in the past.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
So just on learning to manage. So like when you
were growing up, did you have discussed your parents?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Did I have luck with my parents? No, there wasn't
that My parents both worked like two jobs. They we didn't.
There was love in our home, but no one talked
about feelings like they did these days, or the way
they're you know, brains are operating. So yeah, that wasn't
in our home like that. I don't think that was

(20:07):
like do your homework, do what you need to do,
get to bed, start again, work tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Was Julian Morris as a kid? Was she a studious
kid or a compliant kid?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Always compliant, didn't want to get in trouble, So I
wasn't a sneak out of the house kind of kid.
I was trying to make my parents laugh, you know,
loved family life, love being at home again. But I
think I needed that stillness of home. But as a kid,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I mean, were you always funny? Though?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
My parents tell amazing stories of how I was a handful.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
In what regard But.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Now I look back, market's adhd. So of all of
those things that I would have beaten myself, I'm full
on not I'm an acquired taste. All of these expressions
that have been put on me from other people in
the past, I'm now like that's not actually the truth.
What they know is the old roller X brain me.
I feel like knew me, feels a bit more calm

(21:08):
and yeah and can and can see a thought all
the way through to the end of the sentence. So
some of those things of childhood where you bagged like
you know, you could never clean your room, or you
could never do this, or you can only.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Do this you could never finish cleaning your room never.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I know, I'd sit in paralysis for hours and then
I get them, you know, like why can't you do
It's gonna take you five minutes to do it or
two hours to sit here. But I'll be like, I don't.
I don't know why, but I'm just I can't. I
can't do it clean the bottom of my wardrobe, for example.
Like it seems so straightforward when I'm saying it in
the sentence, couldn't do it. I'd be there for like

(21:42):
eight hours in my bedroom pottering and doing other things
rather than doing that chore. I mean, adhd in a nutshell.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
So you weren't sort of putting things off, you just
got distracted.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Distracted at all times and actually a tremendous procrastinator.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah yeah, so, and well is it procrastin in that
you you don't you put off because you don't want
to do it, or you just got distracted And I'll
come back to it.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
But the brain just can't do it. It just refuses to
do it. Like even getting ready this morning, I'm like, right,
it's raining today, I need to blow dry the hair.
Give yourself a good one hour twenty minutes before I
let me, I'm blow dry and going fuck fuck the
time paralysis is real as well, the time you know
that all of a sudden you're late, And I don't.

(22:27):
I feel like I'm a person who's more applied than
a person who is.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
In being a comedian. Then I don't know how it works.
But do you do you write your materials?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Like?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Did you sit down and say you're going to do
a show? You know you're great on homework so or
how would you just freestyle?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, we'll say if I'm doing a big tour.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'll get a stand up.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, we stand up comedy. I would gather stories through
the year, getting ready for the next tour. And but
I don't. Yeah, I can't really sit down and write.
I don't feel like I have that directional brain. But
I could. I would have no issue with standing on
the stage if you sent me now, I was going
to a gig for twenty minutes and stuff will come.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Mostly would be terrified of that, so no, they would
like that'd have to sit down for hours and write
it all out and rehearse or rehearsor.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Comics do as well, do they? Yeah? You go kind
of two. I think I feel like you've got the
people who really work on it and then the people
who's just inside them, and they don't.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Because I mean everything, I find everything. I approach it
to you a bit more seriously, but I find nearly
everything you say funny. Because you know, after the show
we did with you, we decided that from now on,
every show were going to have a comedian in the
show because they're going to give us those moments. So
we put vincenter in narration.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Narration is a really important part of reality TV, where
somebody is helping you give the through line of the story. Yeah,
so comics will often do that, course they're so such high.
Uh so, Like, for example, my agent has done a
couple of little classes on how to deal with ADHD
children because she has found a significant number of people
in the comedy industry have it, and she's now found

(23:58):
that there's little tricks that she can do to keep
some of her artists on track. Then that's what she'll do.
So something's due tomorrow yesterday, she'll send me a thing saying,
can you just fill out those answers because you've got
tomorrow and then it's due the next day. So a
couple of those little signposts when you have ADHD employees
or you know, clients. But she also said, you know

(24:21):
you might arrive late, but you're going to work through
lunch and your work into the night. So an ADHD employee,
while appearing late to the system, we'll give you so
much more when they're working and interested. Of course, you
know the timings are tricky, but once you are focused

(24:42):
on the work, you're going to get the best there is.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
But not every comedian is likely because I remember when
year we as, Vince surrended you to be the comedian
person in the show to give us those fillers, and
Vince not like that, is not like you. Vince's very conservative,
very fairly quiet. Yeah, spoken that.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I think it's the two sides of the comic.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I really do hear some stage he performs. Yeah, but
he's very he's a bit more methodical, mood beautiful.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I love Vince, Yeah, I love him. But also I
think we see it in the jungle when comedians come
in as well, is that you are through through the experience,
certainly of the Apprentice, where you are trying to show
I think I've got intelligence. I'm trying to sell it
to these other.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Roots, you can do the task.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, all I need to do is just show that.
So apart from that urgency, certainly in a comedian's mind
is I don't look very funny. I'm going to ruin
this for later. This won't give me ticket sales. People
are going to say, I'm a bitch. So yeah, for
comedians in reality programs, if they've dealt with a few

(25:53):
of their demons, I find then they're spectacular because then
they can take those observations and you know, as opposed
to everything, how dare you do that and get good,
get you know, emotionally invested in every single moment? Is
if it's possible to be able to be the observer?
I mean, I think the narrator is the winning role

(26:14):
through every reality series.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
It is, so the fetterman's going to just maybe you
could have just explained to audience what it is. It's
a version of what we would call it kind.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Of speed, right judgment you have the back in the
day too far. Look, it's so it is a dex amthetamine.
So me this time last year, I believement I would
have thought drugs, that those sort of drugs are not
for me. I've never been into coke. I've never been
into pump up your volumes. I've just but now I
know it's because I radio AHD. You wouldn't have done

(26:45):
anything for you would have been like, oh, yeah, that
sounds good. Does anyone want a biscuit? So when I yeah,
when I went to do all the research of what
you can do, there's a shorter acting tablet but feels
much more Yes, whereas the dex am FETA means they
do roll out over eight hours, so they're not a
big heartbeat nightmare, but it definitely makes me feel much

(27:10):
more motivated and instead of me battling myself. For example,
doorbell goes off, I know something's been delivered. I'll go
down and get that. I must go down and get that.
Have I've gone down to get that? I don't think
I get that. With a dex am feta means just
pop down the stairs and get it. A huge difference,
a difference, Mark is out of this world.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
It sounds simple, but it's a huge difference.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And I definitely, you know, I felt over the last
couple of years this is how I am say, I've
learned a way to deal with it. Yeah, But when
age comes in and menopause comes in. I think that's
when all of a sudden you don't have the ability
to mask it as well, and that's when you need
some help. But recognizing when you need that help, I'll

(27:56):
tell you what. Being alone in my house, not my children,
but being without a partner has really allowed me to
self regulate. It's really allowed me to just go what
are my what are my good points? What are my
bad points? How do I just be happier?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I don't know even temper we were talking about, let's
just talk about because I think that's I mean, it's
the elephant the room for me anyway. I mean we
can see to talk about your comedy and stuff like that,
but like I want to talk about some other stuff
with you. If you don't mind. You're divorced, you're now
you're on your own. Let's call it. I should ask you,

(28:33):
do you have anybody else?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
No, sir, no, dude, no do or do de No?
My girls said, Mommy are going to go after girls.
I said, listen, it's not for me, but I'm sure
it's lovely. But yeah, I think when you get divorced
and well, I cut my hair off as well.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
What I cut my hair off.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
You do this groovy short hair. Oh this is hilarious.
But and then yeah, everyone was like, oh, she's going
to come out and announce announced that you speak that
I've decided to yes, be with Lartiest. Yeah it's not
for me.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, So you don't have a you don't have a partner.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I don't see it happening, Mark, I think twenty years
of being. I mean, you know, I'm scorched into the earth,
to be honest.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
So is it because you feel as it's not worth
as bruised? You're bruised.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think, yeah, why don't.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I see bruised? Perhaps?

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think of exactly what the
wording is. I think that I'm having a better life
by myself.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
And I think that in terms of love, like I'm
in terms of rolling around whatever. I think I might
have had all my roots. So if I have great fact,
what's done? Then companionship. I I'm kind of I'm kind
of got companionship in my own head.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
But that's good though, I don't mind. I mean, you're independent.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
It means I'm not at home lonely. Why why don't
a guy like me. Why, yeah, that's but now I also,
since getting divorced, the greatest lesson I taught myself, I
think is now I think in terms of instead of
trying to prove to everyone, I'm decent, I'm a friend,
I'm loyal, I'm all the good stuff, and I'm constantly

(30:20):
on this broadcast when I'm around friends that I like,
where I'm like, I did this amazing thing, and I'm
this and I'm that. Now, after the divorce, I feel
like I say, do you behave well enough to have
access to me?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
And if you don't, fucking beat it, see you later.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
It's as simple as that. So all of those behaviors,
my children included, are you behaving well enough to have
access to me? And if you're not behaving well enough,
then I'm sorry, computer denied.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
So I have do you actually say to them or
that's just.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
With the children I do. I mean, that's rare my kids.
We're a pretty good party of three. You think I
don't have those teenagers. I just have the like I
just want to do. I just want to do better
and just get through tomorrow. Mom, I'll got those teenagers.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
You're blessing in that.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oh yeah, We've worked hard on it, all three of us.
That was a weird transition becoming going from a family
of four to a party of three. That was unusual
in that it was just us girls, and certainly the
girls when the divorce first went down, I don't think
they had a lot of trust in me.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
In you? Is it because Dan was sort of running
the show kind of? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well Dan was a house.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Husband, so he was a chef originally? Is that wrong? No?
He was?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
What was he originally? I'm slapped down, no good joke.
He was in advertising advertising.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
For some reason, I thought he was a chef. I mean,
I'm going back ten years, twelve years, maybe because you
probably told me does all the cooking or something, but yeah,
but you did it. You were out the front making
the quid, and.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know, absolutely like any black lots of homes, Yeah,
they have a partner at home and a partner that's
out and about the interesting thing about the partner that's
flogging it at work, even though the person at home
is working very hard. When the person comes home from work,
you kind of walk through the door and you're here
we go. The next massive job starts, which is being

(32:15):
part of this family so there was I felt like
there was never any respite in the Certainly towards the
end of my marriage, I felt like weekend at Bernie's
where I'll just be wheeled out for another gig, like
I died, you know, and no one had noticed I died.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
And in terms of management, did Dan manage you or
manage you?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I mean on every level, yes, but no, no, no,
I've got a fantastic, fantastic agent manager I've been with
for years.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
But Dan was happy for you to go, and he
would certainly after He never said, hey, Julie, can you
just stop here, let's work on a relationship or hang
out together? Yes, we are you doing too much?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I think we did all of that. But I think
there's a cycle to it. I think there's like a
happy cycle. Gets a bit tricky now, it's getting tense,
ends up in an event of argument whatever, and then
I'd be like, well, if you don't like it, there's
the door. Apparently not the right thing to say, and
then we get back to the honeymoon period again, where

(33:14):
I'd be like, oh my god, thank god I got
my husband back. So that continuous, but in the end
I literally just said to him you know, you're not
enjoying it. I'm not enjoying it. What are we doing?
This seems like a massive waste of our lives. Yeah.
I don't think you like me and I'm not particularly
fond of you.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
It was like like it was that. I think it
had got to that. But did you have that conversation?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, no, we absolutely had that conversation. Yeah. I remember
the morning of just going can you can you come
and have a chat? This is bullshit. I'm not living
like this.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
That that that sort of come to Jesus moment, Yeah,
we need to talk. What what what is it? What's
the last straw? How do you this time? Oh?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
God, Mark, you're going to die? The last straw was
when I saw you?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Where? Where? Where was it?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
We've done a podcast, We've done a podcast together, and
that day i'd spoken a lot about you know, if
my marriage ever breaks up, I reckon it'll be my fault.
I was still in that weird headspace, right the people
pleasing and that weekend, so I think we were together
on the Friday. On the Saturday we flew home and
I don't know, he said something in the car like

(34:34):
the girl said, you were real punish over the weekend
or something like that, and I was like, I was
seating by the way, I was not equal at all contributor,
but I was contributed to the nervous anxiety in our
house because I would be stressed trying to make everything

(34:54):
work and make everything you know, and everyone, yeah, absolutely,
while pleasing no one. And so that as we got home,
I went to a hotel, I dropped the family off.
I was driving because my car was out at the airport.
I dropped the family home at the house and I'm
just like fine. Of course he had said something like

(35:14):
the girl said you were punished over the weekend or
something like that, and I was so hurt that the
girls would speak to him about me. And then I
kind of like, this is do you know what? You
can all get fucked And went to a hotel. And
then when I checked into the hotel, the person that
the host said to me hotel said to me, lots
of footballers come here when they leave their wives. While
I'm at the front desk, I was like, wait, what

(35:35):
what And then that night I'm like, if I'm staying
in a hotel in Melbourne away from my private home,
something is desperately wrong here, and instead of continuing to
talk about it, I need to go and do something
about it. And I slept, woke up the next morning,
went home and was just like, this is it. Let's
start to untangle the web.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
And can you share with me the process of that lake?
How does it work untangling the word? Because this is
something you've been working on, this web, you've been moving
for twenty years living. By the way, it's not just
the web. It's not just all the finances and the
structures and who owns the house and blah blah blah,
but it's the relationships. You know, you're and you're there's

(36:14):
the person who Julia is relative to her kids, to
her husband, to a family, to outside of the to
your fans, to everybody else. Julie Morrow's married to Dan.
That's it sounds simple, but it's quite complex. Yeah, what's
the unweaving part? Look like the unweaving part is this
pre getting dex and feta means too by the way,

(36:35):
Oh my god, yes, sir, that might have been mental
for I.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Reckon. I was, you know, we're like Ursula's sea witch
conscious up the sea is how I felt inside. My
eye was exploding and we it was actually very very
amicable those first few months because I was kind of like,
you know what, he he can't work, and I'll build again.
And I mean there's nothing like a at the time

(36:59):
fifty four year old woman in Australian television building. Again,
it seems like so many opportunities. We did it something
called collaborative divorce, which is where it's essentially four meetings
and of those meetings the outcome is absolute. And over
those four meetings you kind of split the assets the

(37:19):
time with the children that whatever, how are you going
to roll? And it was thirty grand ahead and thirty
grudhead he has in he paid thirty grand.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I paid thirty grand to the people doing the mediation,
to the.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
To the lawyers. So from there, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's a four days and ago I'm sorry, four periods
of negotiation.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Kind of yeah, and all a lot of that sort
of done backstage beforehand, where you'd be like, okay, well
the children are going to do week on, week off
or or however. That rolls all that paperwork and once
it's filed there is no coming back. Because I was
just thinking if my earnings did all of a sudden
take us super positive trajectory. I didn't want anybody coming

(38:04):
back for that.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
So that they're called consent orders. Usually you both consent
to the order that the court's going to give because
you've already made the deal as opposed to the court
making the deal for you.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Hundred hundred hundred.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Had you end up you're doing any good out it?
I mean, did you Was it a fair split?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, interestingly, I mean I wouldn't use the words seventy
five percent of the assets is what I did not
end up with. But let's use it like a between
seventy three percent and seventy five percent of the assets
I did not end up with. So that was That's
been quite a thought while, isn't it, Because if you've
got a partner that doesn't work, they can't rebuild or

(38:42):
work or I don't know, that's apparently what they can't
do in the eyes of the loss.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, the current family law, which by the way, was
a consequence of Lionel Murphy who ex Labor Party guy
who and a judge who I think in the mid
seventies to change the Matrimonial Causes Act to the Family
Law Act, and the result of that was to allow
the spouse or the non working party to the relationship

(39:10):
to get more than the other party because the other
party had the ability to make more money or to
start again.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
It does sound fair, It's sort of sound fair and
totally if you've put your heart and soul into the
home and making sure that children are there and that
the person who's working can work, totally fair. But when
you're on the twenty five percent after a lifetime.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Of working and you're just like, it doesn't seem fair.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
He's already working. It didn't work for twenty years, so
wait what what? Uh? People pleasing?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, because I asked you are at the beginning. Do
you feel as though your personal condition, like ADHD and
all its things that hang around it, do you feel
as though that you might have been We're not manipulated taken.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
For a ride? Yes, it was a lot, Yes, I do.
I think that I'm easy to manipulate in that way,
for sure. I think maybe that's why I've also turned
off any sort of possibility of having a partner.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
But there.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Couldn't be manipulated.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Well, you mightn't even know you've been manipulated. I mean what,
I'm sorry, it might not be a positive move to
manipulate you. But it's just an instinct that here's an
opportunity I can just take advantage of this situation. Yeah,
it's a bit like the way I was in the printer.
So I didn't I didn't sort of eat in a
sinister way try and take advantage of Julia Morris. But
I knew there was something there, an advantage for the show, absolutely,

(40:38):
so I just said, well, let's just you know, whenever
we're going to dance, go and see Julie Morris get
a comment from the narrative.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Also, super busy people are easy to manipulate because they're
not really noticing any consistency of weirdness. So if you're
super busy, capable, whatever, you don't actually even need as
much emotional feeding in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, totally, You're not reliant.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
No, no, not at all. It's absolutely self sourcing at
all times, all the time.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Self sourcing actually is a very good word, a very
good description. Do you your low maintenance, Yeah, totally, low maintenance.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Totally the heavy maintenance. I take care of myself, so
you know, Phil in my car petrol, do any of
the heavy like you know that sort of maintenance, I
can take care of. What I think I need in
a partner is to walk side by side in life,
not to constantly feel like I'm in trouble or haven't
got enough work. And I just feel like for most
of my married life, I just kept hearing we're running

(41:34):
out of money, we don't have any money.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
That's why I ever heard get another gig.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Was walking work and work and work and work and working.
And now that I'm a charged, oh well, I'll take
what I need you.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
So the rebuild.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, now, the rebuild I worked out. I think in
my own mind that I wanted our house. It was
not paid off. I think there was like a one
hundred thousand paid off the house something like that, which
is no small feet, but because I just thought I
don't want to move. I like the idea that this
is the house we've purchased, that my children feel like

(42:09):
is their home. I don't know at the time, what
fifty four fifty five if I would get another loan
as a single woman for a house, like with what's
my life spent? You know, am I going to make
the end of the loan.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
So we should have just explained, Julie, because that's important.
You're saying at fifty four, if I've got a thirty
year loan. For argument, saying, if I've got a new
loan to be thirty a loon, which means I'll be
eighty four by the time it's paid off, will I
be able to pay it off because I might not
be able to work from seventy.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Well what about if tomorrow I'll get a punch in
the throat because I'm such a smart ass and then
I can't work?

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah? Yeah, how all this that's and you know it
shouldn't exist. But I'm not. Oh you're you know, you're
a woman seeing a woman like maybe I'm not. I'm
going to get it discriminated again. So at least it's
probably not the case. But your age will sort of
by definition discriminate against you because the lender has to

(43:08):
make sure you can pay them back totally. That's how
the lender works. Absolutely, So you know you're thinking to yourself, well,
and that's that's massively confronting and you probably have to
borrow more money against the house to pay them out. Yeah,
so did you?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Oh yeah, And also the advice was pay it all,
pay the maintenance, pay the pray the rent, pay the whatever,
just pay pay a big chunk instead of this weekly
tearing away at you for however many years, that no way.
So even though there was lots of big payments up

(43:44):
front and I was like, oh my god, I've gotten
very little, but I don't I got me the original earner. Yeah,
so I'm like, okay, let's turn up the corporates, let's
turn up to this, let's turn up for that. How
can I work more efficiently to earn more money with
less hours being put in Because the other thing is
I'm a single mum of teenage women. I have to

(44:05):
be on a hot stand by. I don't have to be,
but I like being on a hot stand by for
the children for whatever they need, whenever they need it
if I can. Unreal, not spoiler spoiling, but here's someone
you can Here's someone you can trust and rely on
that will be there for you when you need that.
So over that three years, that's restricted me a lot more.

(44:26):
With say, working in Melbourne where we live, I can't
do as much travel, and I certainly can't go and
do say I'd love to do another house husbands or
something like that, but they're months and months of work,
and unless it's nearby, that's just not possible because I
need to be I need to be around for my girls.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
What about the simple thing, like you know, I often
want about this, but where the guy in the relationship
is chargeable, the bankcounts all the credit cards, maybe paying
the bills, and your focus is in your case just
to earn the quid? Oh yeah, so how do you

(45:07):
rearrange all that shit?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Well? Also, plus, I thought I was winning, Mark, I
thought I was winning because I never had to do
any financial admin to me, and certainly my brain maths,
and that's the one thing that makes me feel dumb
as maths. So the thought of then all I really knew,
and I know this sounds ridiculous, is how to tap.

(45:28):
I knew a little bit more a card. You tap
the card pay for things. If it didn't, you know,
if there was anything that was a big ticket item
over one hundred bucks whatever, I would ask for permission,
which is very funny looking back. I would never not
get permission.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Permission to spend your money. Yeah, that you earn.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Amazing, No, I can hear it outout. I like, what
do you do? But I also think you you make
a match over many years, don't you where You're like, Okay,
well I don't want to be the one to spend
the month's money, so I'll ask if we got that
money in the account this week, can I do that
this week? So that's the sort of permission that I sought.
It's not like I wouldn't use the words like financial

(46:06):
coercive control. I don't think that was necessary.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Part of it was your own willingness to go down that.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Resonantly, and so therefore was I manipulated not to listen
to it, like I don't I'll trying to still work
all of that out in my mind. But to then
have to take over the whole thing, which seemed so impossible, daunting,
but so I had. Luckily, I did have a fantastic
divorce lawyer who then put me in touch. I was
with the Commonwealth Bank at the time and still am,

(46:34):
and combank put somebody with me who then said, listen
to this. They said, how good is this?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
They?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I mean, I think this might have been one person's initiative.
I don't know if this is what the bank do,
but this.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Is what this comb is pretty good with this stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
So this woman came.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
To the lawyer's office, the banker.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
The banker, Yeah, the bank woman. She put all of
the apps, which I know to a lot of people
sound like I'm a moron and I can put it.
I can put an app on my phone, but it's
like that, you know, and the number doesn't work, and
then the number doesn't. So she just came quietly and
put all of my banking on all of my devices,
showed me how it looks, showed me how to use it,
showed me all of that, and then they were they

(47:14):
looked into maybe changing my mortgage at the time, which
they then helped me with. So they definitely took a
woman who didn't know I'm trying to drag out like
year twelve maths or you know, maths in society for me.
So yeah, having to learn from the beginning, everything felt urgent.

(47:36):
For the last first twelve months, everything I was like,
oh my god, my god, the money's going to go.
That's going to go. Don't let that bank account. I
need half of that. That's a bank account we had,
and that signs off. I won't get that money, and
that money will go. And all of this overegged stress
to try and work out how do you pay the mortgage? Like,
how do you do a budget? I kind of remember,

(47:58):
but I haven't had to do that in a long time,
So to start again, Oh my god, I took a
few tears, took a bit of application, and it took
a lot of help from a pretty strong team of
women around me who were like, that's all right, let's
help you with this. Let's get you across this.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
It seemed like I had to go and get a car,
so the lawyer sent her dad with me. Oh my god.
It was the best because my dad had not long
gone to use God. So there's a You know, it's
funny when you ask for help from the people that
you trust. There's certainly a lot of help around. If
you can wrap your brain around not feeling embarrassed about

(48:35):
not knowing about that stuff. I think that's a big
hurdle as wells Like, I'm so, what sort of a
stupid person doesn't know about their banking. But I also
speak to loads and loads of people about the dual
bank accounts and how difficult they are then to separate.
You know, you definitely need your own little bank account

(48:55):
just to have some things where you don't have to
doesn't have to be shown what you've got. You want
a little pair of shoes that you didn't want to
have to say anything. I don't even know what I'm
talking about, but I think, yeah, I think dual bank
accounts are, but.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I don't think this should be set up in the
first place.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
No, I agree that like the one you both pay
into maybe to go here's our rent, here's the electrics.
Is that Dad?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Just for that?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
That's certainly not all wages going into I mean, what
my wages going into a dual account that I actually
when the world turned and we separated, I did not
have access to Not only was I not number one
on the thing on the chit list, I couldn't get
into it. I'm having to ring the bank just going
like are we even joking here? Like I'm earning the money.

(49:39):
I know I'm not the number one bank holder, but
why can I get it?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Well, what happened? They did? They say, well, you better
come in and get become a signatory or sort of.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I'm still number two, still number two. I think it
might have been Westpac actually anyway, So yeah, I had
to just I had to accept some things that I
wasn't going to be able to get back, and I
had to just put some new financial things in place
and learn it from the ground up. So I'm like,
whatever has whatever has transpired before this moment has done

(50:11):
whatever it's going to do. Do you know what I mean?
Whatever is we spent or wasted or whatever. Great? Now
moving forward, what do I do? Because all of a
sudden I had this, you know, I took a loan
out for the house, and I've been you know, all
those interest rates. Oh my god, it was like it
doubled it double what I was paying. It was everything

(50:32):
at once. So talk about a baptism by financial fire.
But now I'm definitely I'm at a place where I
am definitely starting to rebuild my retirement future, which is
something that you had said to all of us in
series one of the Apprentices, where You're like, the storm
is coming, you need to work out how on earth

(50:52):
you're going to feed yourself.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I remember saying to all of you that you need
a million dollars on the day you retire.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I know it's been in my mind. A Lily actually
had a discussion about again outside the house totally, and
then that million will give you the wage.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
To live based on what igistrates were, or or based
on what returns you get from million dollars invested. If
you buy shares and CBA, that's the amount of money
that you're going to have to live off. But that
was a minimum million dollars, So how do you do?
How do you manage that stuff? Now?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So now I've been like I've been like a mate.
I sort of got myself in a position where I
do like the when the tax returns come in, I've
had to do a tax slow roll out to pay
that because at the same time, there was another year
that I couldn't get all the access to some of
the files good times, so that went in late and
that needed its own payout then everything, you know, the

(51:45):
big payout of the divorce. So I kind of had
to start myself on a pay it out gentle track.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
And I've like installments.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, and I had I had a meeting yesterday with
the accountant who who I'm in. I'm in, Okay, I
may retire with a biscuit or two biscuits. So this
is exciting. But I've also think the house from when
I bought the house to now, the house has more
than doubled in value, but the mortgage is still the
original mortgage, so it'll all be paid off in the

(52:16):
universe whenever that moment happens.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
So that's good.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I know, like my house will be covered when that
time comes, if that's to retirement and downsize or whatever
that is. So I feel like that little nest egg's
doing its thing. But I mean, no nest egg, just
trying to save and yeah, trying to invest in our future.

(52:40):
So we have one.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
So when you wake up in the morning and you say,
and I've got all the structures are all set up. Now,
I've got access CBAS looked after me. I can access
the apps. I can see how much is in the account.
I can see what I spent the money on. I've
got a good account and the accounts making sure I
get up to date with my TEX returns. I'm slowly
but surely doing all my installments with the ATL make
sure I'm in good shape. I've got a better sense

(53:02):
of what I'm doing in my financial life, and I
understand it much better than now. But it all a
lot of it's dependent upon Julia being able to continue
to work consistency. What what I mean, You've nailed the show.
But do you ever sort of think yourself ship, like

(53:25):
what about if they say, you know, Julie, you're too
old or what is over you?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Every year? Every year I think we're going to get
another jungle because the jungle essentially looks after my ear
and then everything else I do then helps all again
the other stuff in place.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So the jungle is you're, you know, you're let's call
it your cash flow, your mortgage payments and kids school
fees and.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
That's my month food table absolutely.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
So that that's covered. But and the other stuff's extras,
and you know, you might be able to put a
bit of money to do super towards supers, your retirement
holiday and that sort of stuff, but it all is
underpinned by the jungle. So do you I mean, because
I used to do this when we're on the show,
and I didn't need to, but I used to. I
used to obsess over the ratings. I used to say shit,
and I always look at how many people watched you know,

(54:12):
I'd be you know, the show me on tonight, and
I'd be looking at two nights down the track, I'll
be saying, well, how many people watched it? How is
that relative to other shows that were on the same
time slot as me, which what did that episode episode
do well? Why did that episode do well? I mean
in the end, it's just stopped doing it.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
But we can go to the minute by minutes practically
at every single minute of the show. I have no
business with the ratings because I do find and like
with comments on socials and all of that sort of stuff,
I put myself in my own bubble when I'm in
the jungle, and I don't because if someone's like this
chick's this chick's an idiot and like not funny and
fucked and old and whatever, then by the time I

(54:49):
get onto camera tomorrow, I'm kind of like, oh, yeah,
the fucking chicks. I'll watch me roll over the desk like,
you know whatever. I don't want to I don't want
to be is it the tail wag in the dog?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
So ratings, everyone's like our first opening night, everyone was
super excited about the ratings. I'm like, I don't want
to know. I can't know because I don't want to
be confident that it's gone. Let's just see where we
are by the end of the show before I show
by super excitement about ratings because I think there's enough

(55:20):
to stay in a comedy head space. It's quite a
difficult space to maintain from arriving at work at four
thirty in the morning until the show is spat out
by four thirty in the afternoon. That's having done a
live show.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
How many how many shows? How many episodes do you
guys do?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Some years? Twenty five some years? Third?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Really?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, short nights a.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Week, so you so you'll be recording while sure whilst's
on TV. Yes, you get DoD because what we see
is we'd ever get everything dunes in the can. That's it.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
So you get what the celebrities are doing within the
jungle that's in the can because you had to sort
of pull together a story of whatever they've been talking about.
But when you see Robert and I, we are live,
so it's ten thirty in the morning in South Africa,
and that's when you really have to be on your game. Hello,
Happy Christmas via avance because you do not want to swear.
You don't want to be like an accidental whatever I like,

(56:09):
but you know, using the wrong word or using the urger.
Plus the forever changing landscape of you know, jokes that
might have felt like a joke, aren't very funny to
someone else anymore, you know, keeping all of that in
your mind. Yeah, so the life to air is very intense,
but certainly having that job done and dusted is amazing.

(56:30):
But income streams are the only secret to television. There's
not one. Even though we talk about the jungle being
that thing, that one wage that helps. I'm literally in
the middle. I was starting to rebuild other parts of
the business because I think if the television falls over
for me, then what the fuck do we do now?
So I want to have more corporates up and running

(56:52):
by then. I want to be able to duck in
as a guest to different things. And yeah, just.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Telling me about the corporate things. So for example, let's
say it's CBAT C CBO has got its annual awards
night whatever, which I guess they do have this. I'm
a guy, Yeah, so what you do? Will you do
it a bit? Are you doing a comedy actor? What
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Do I like stand up at corporate events because I
figure you've got so many different tastes in the room
you are going to offend someone for sure. So it's
a corporate comedy, is not my favorite at all, but
I a of hosting those award nights.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, so you're you're the host.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
It's so easy for me.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Plus with the base of formality, it's crazy. So I
like that that. I definitely am quite a sensible woman,
probably deep down, but I'm you know, get down on
it and giggling with the CEO and mucking around so
that people have this lovely fun. I didn't think they
were going to be like that tonight night, and so yeah, corporates,

(57:54):
I really enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
It, just sort of moderating the evening forum but with
some fun.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Literally just MC mucking around who doesn't have the same
gravitas as their business but is happy to you know,
as soon as they mentioned, you know, sort of packaging
sizes or whatever.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I'm you know, but is that a new thing because
they you know, ordinarily I would have expected someone be
hiring you as the main event. You're going to get
up there, and which, by the way of those corporate vices,
really hard to do.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I mean, I love watching Tom Gleason's amazing at it.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Those corporates, not many.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Not many love because you know, it's very to lose
the line exactly in a corporate room where you're like, hey,
do what I love teds. Yeah, well, it's very difficult
to step in the wrong place. At least if I'm
doing a stand up tour or doing one of the
comedy venues people are coming.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's different.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
They're going to choose to come and see me, and
that's great.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Want they know you deal.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Totally, They're already in it. But yeah, so I would
much rather host the night and be there all night.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
And do you have an agent?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Who just tell us my agent some Gibilee Street. It's
a fantastic woman named.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Beck Gubilee Street. Yeah, my dad's father's and his brother's
very first cafelo cafe in Australia when they first come through.
It's called the Jubilee Cafe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was
across the road from all the movie theaters and George Street,
and my grandfather used to at eleven o'clock in those
days when he used to come out in a suit.
But what do you do? He used to turn a

(59:23):
fan on and get the coffee brewing underneath the fan
and the fan was sucking coffee and send out to
the street. But the Jubilee is like the Metro. Where
was that, Well, he was on the other side of
the road to where all the movie theaters are, So
in George Street where all.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
The pictures Metro theaters on the corner there opposite the.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Down towards Chinatown. Yeah right, yeah, and uh and it
was called Jubilee Cafe. So that's interesting you should say that,
so that your your agent is called Jubilee Management. Jubilee
what Gibilee Street.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I've known that. She and I lived together in London
many years ago in the early two thousands vibes and
she used would tour. She's been my touring agent for
many many years. Then she sold her agency to Live
Nation and became a part of the Australian Live Nation
and was there for many many years. And then now
she's sort of gone to just streamlining into management. So

(01:00:15):
she looks after Ursula Carlson the fantastic and Nazim Hussein
the wonderful, great people on the books.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
She had great books.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
She's got an NCP A no policy because she just
now one's got the time, who's got the time? No
one's got the time to deal with knuckles anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah, totally. I like that word too. Bit I mean,
you know, I had to use it, but like in broadcast.
But I mean I actually used it a little while
ago recently, and I've got in trouble from it for
my game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
But I'm never I'm double negative. I'm never not using it.
I use it all the time. I'm mad for it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Yeah, well, or use it but on air, like I
got to sponsors, not sort stuff. You know, it works.
So you're getting many gigs only there's hosting gigs. Yeah,
so you build, I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Turn up and down the volume of like within a
small price range. If I need more of them, I'll
just turn down the field.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
If I'm like, ahh his surge price, perhaps I'm surging
right now, You're like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
You're like uber, I'm fully uber. Yeah you're surging and
I've been there in four minutes. Yeah yeah yeah h
surge pricing at all times? Yeah yeah, but is that
important me? Yeah, You're you're a responsible your mother who
has responsibilities to her kids. You have, probably importantly, but
they're going to be okay. You have responsibilities more importantly
to yourself. Now just to yourself. Oh yeah, you're going

(01:01:36):
to sort yourself after the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Let me tell you. I've just so. My dad spent
a year and a half after a fall on his
downward essentially dementia trajectory until he went to his God.
And let me tell you, it is the most shit
punchline to work in this hard through life, Like that's
what we end up in like that in a bed.

(01:02:00):
So that was a bit of a when that sounds
ridiculous saying that was a wake up call, but I'm like,
if dementia's ahead, I'm sure it may be, but if
it is, fucking now, I need to get a lot
more than just my flight answers in place right now.
I need to get some consistency of behaviors some you know,
like trying to train the brain a little bit more,

(01:02:21):
keeping it holding on and as strong as possible until
it finally lets go. I don't know what's it just
feels like everyone I speak to they're like, yeah, my actually,
my parent died in a very similar way. It was dementia.
They went downhill.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Are you funny to hear about dementia much more as
we get older or something? I don't know what it is, weird,
but I feel like I'm hearing about dementia more and
more often, more often. Do you know it's one of
those highly searched words for people over sixty, Yeah, right
on Google.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I wonder if we hear about it more now because elderly,
but being elderly is pretty associated with being a bit
forgetful and a bit dotter in a bit whatever, right
as we sort of age and dementia pulls that up
earlier in the piece. But I felt like Dad's dissension
into it was like nothing I was. I was. I

(01:03:10):
was in high volume shock sadness for the year and
a half because it felt like this is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
It's Morris your surname or is it your married name.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
That's my surname, that's my born name.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
There because Morris is Irish, Yes, Irish, because my mother
has Morris on her side. And do you know that
Irish descent people have genetic mutations that sit around things

(01:03:41):
like modern neurone disease and brain disease including dementia. Yeah,
and my mother died for neurosease at but at eighty six.
But nonetheless I only found this out through another project
I'm doing at the moment, and it is a bit
of a drama, like you've got to you know, you've
got to be really aware of these things. And as

(01:04:03):
much there's no point saying, oh, I'm just going to
forget about it. It's not going to happen to me.
You've got to be aware of these things, make sure
you get the best out of between here and that
day if it ever happens. God forivid it doesn't happen
to you. But also you've got to say, what are
those things I need to be doing to delay anything
like that happening to me? And if it does happen
to me, how can I make it absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I mean, for me, I think, I think I'm going
to go to Switzerland and try and buy the tablet
and then I'll come home and if my arms can
still lift it to my face, he'll take it. I mean,
I feel like my dad knew before that fall because
he was he was so Catholic, but I think he
wanted it. I think he knew that it was coming.

(01:04:45):
I feel like we had some of those discussions. We
definitely had a discussion in hospital where he said, I
want to apologize because I feel like moving forward, I'm
not going to have control of my thoughts and I
don't know what I'm going to be saying to you,
but you know, he gave we did our love your
chat and you've been an amazing dad and all that.
So we had that moment. But he didn't die for
another year after that. But my god, it's like the

(01:05:06):
television's watching me. You need to get out of here.
They're going to make you stay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
In here too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I mean it was, Oh my fg was the most
extraordinary thing I've witnessed in my life. I thought the
divorce was hardcore a divorce fucking enough to watch you
by dad descend into this and like all that work
all those years. But I also, inside my own brain

(01:05:30):
wonder if he was undiagnosed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Ay, ahd, it's going to ask you that you yeah,
I mean, did he have similar sort of personality?

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I think in my dad was super complicated, as we
all are, but he lacked confidence in the workplace. He'd
missed out on he missed out on doing UNI and
all that sort of stuff. And highly read man, like
very very well read. We went to become a Christian
brother and then that didn't really work out in only

(01:06:05):
the way I'm sure you can imagine. And then he
met my mum about nine months after leaving yeah, the order,
and then they were kind of married in babies within
a year. So I don't think he ever, I don't
think he ever had a chance to catch up with
his own brain. I think that there. I think their

(01:06:26):
age group was definitely like putting on appearances and everything
must appear fine, you know, like we wore English handmade
school shoes, but both my parents worked like two and
three jobs. Why am I in start write school shoes
in Gosford? Like, we didn't have the best of everything,
but we have the best that we could afford of
absolutely everything, and that keeping up appearances must have been

(01:06:48):
a drainer. But I think my dad would have gone
through bouts of depression and all sorts of stuff because
I think he had ADHD brain. I think his brain
would have been like did a littler Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I think my mother was similar. We used to wear
velvet nothing, but my mother would spend everything she had
on putting us to the best clothes because you've got
to look good at Mass. Yeah, especially on Sunday Mass,
they have to wear little velt pants and I remember,
you know, I used to hate it, but I remember
brother sister used to but they were significantly younger than me,

(01:07:21):
and I remember my mum dressing them up exactly the
same sort of stuff. And I used to think. I
used to think myself at the time, why, I don't know,
I just want to go upair of shorts and longs.
I would have been happy with that. But and a
lot of the other kids did do that. Actually, whether
you always wore shoes to church, but mum was obsessed
with this sort of stuff, and you know that has
a relationship to this Catholic guilt thing. Definitely, you went

(01:07:43):
to CAFA school. I mean, that's a big deal. Yeah,
I mean, and that actually probably didn't feed too well
into your DHD, your ADHD particularly wanting to please everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
The nuns were very kind with me, but they also
told my parents when I was in year twelve that
I had slipped through the system with my person and
I got one hundred and ninety eight out of five
hundred in the HSC. That certificate is hanging up in
my office as I'm as proud as punch of my
hundred because I wouldn't have been able to function in

(01:08:14):
the test setup. You I didn't have the brain to take.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
You probably need to complete the exam. You probably ran
out of time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I would have been doing drawings to make the examiners laugh,
to think they would give me one or two extra
points because I'd done such a nice drawing. Shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, so coming out of school, no UNI. That for
me back in those days, for everybody, if you didn't
go to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
UNI, what were you going to do here?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
What we're we going to do? I went for the
police department for a little bit of a while, processing
p fours, which are accident reports through a microfilm microfish.
I did every Yeah, exactly, I did every job I
could moving forward. And I've only just said to my
girls recently because they're both kind of around that age
where they're trying to work out what it is they'll

(01:08:58):
do in their lives, and I said, look, earn your
rent till you're twenty five, do any job, do a job,
do a job twenty five. All of a sudden you
have a little bit of awakening or around about that
time where you're like, actually, I think I would be
better suited to their You can go to UNI and
do this, do that, or do whatever. You don't rush
earn your rent, live your life, be a part of things.

(01:09:20):
So you understand. So then when you make that turn
directly into the thing that becomes your passion or your
job or you know, then you're ready for it because
you've given it. You've had a bit of you've had
a bit of get out time, you've had a bit
of you know, a couple of trips, a couple of this,
and you've you know, learned a little bit about your life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Do sit down and think to yourself, here's the girl
looking at microfilm microfishon those days, you know, which is
actually a bit of actual black film put through a
little machine, used to turn a dial and used to
have the information written on the thing and to come
up on a screen for it. But do you ever
think yourself then and now, especially now, given that you've
lived a life undiagnosed, but now you are diagnosed and unmedicated,

(01:10:03):
but now you have access to medication. You've gone through
a divorce, you've been on you've done a million different
things in your life. You're now completely independent, You're now
taken control of all your situation. Do you think yourself, Julia,
I'm going to give yourself a patter on the back. Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
At all times I feel like that, I know, literally
I could not be more pleased with myself at the moment.
In particular, I've been just sort of thinking exactly about that.
Just like you know, I talk about many rivers across.
Every single person has got, I think, an extraordinary story,
whether there needs have been met emotionally or physically, or

(01:10:40):
financially or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
That is, or all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yeah, so my story is no more intense than anybody else's.
It's just that I lived my life a lot in
front of the general public. They can, you know, they cause.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
They think they can see everything. Yeah, I mean, but
but I think one of the great things about you
is you're honest. You know your your propensity to actually
maybe even overstate the honesty, I overstate the proposition because
a lot of people don't have your forthrowners and with themselves,

(01:11:15):
and they sit there and they just hide all this shit,
and then they have to do that nothing to hide.
I think that's what it is, nothing to hide. And
that's why I was so happy to get you on
the show. I mean, I'm not here to everybody. I'm
not trying to talk it down subject, but this is
actually for me anyway, helplifting that someone like Julia is
prepared to sort of say how it is and still
happy with her life.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I think we do keep up appearances so much or
trying to look like everything's fine, we're all fine, everyone's fine,
that when you do say, actually, everything's not necessarily fine
and this has been difficult. Everybody I know is going
through trials and tribulations. Everyone you speak to so kind
of I don't know what I'm trying to say, but

(01:12:00):
most of the people that I speak to are all
chatting about mental health at the moment. Yeah, good bad,
you know, silly, I was going to say, silly Trump,
I'll say that. But you know, like there's a lot
going on in our world. Do you how do you
stay still feeling vaguely okay without it all all feel
like it's coming in on you? And I think I
think for me that's taking some time at home in

(01:12:22):
the stillness with my family.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I think that's been resolved. Yeah, doesn't mean no more
shit's going to happen, No, stand by for the next
bit right now. Resolve though that's a relative to whatever
has happened.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Plus, remember to notice when the good stuff happens. I
think the bad stuff's so easy to go all the
bloody car's done this, and now the house and that's stupid.
How the roofs rotten and whatever that is. But such
and such arrived today and I didn't have to go
and do that or you know, it's remembering to notice
the glimmers is what everybody's calling them, not just the
downside of this happened, and that happened, and oh my god,

(01:12:56):
the victim game. Where's the good stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Do you know what alarm? When I off this morning
and I'd forgotten to plug the charger in still went
off though.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
So there's you know, trying to notice those little good
things in your day. Keep me afloat a little bit
more too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's funnys she was there because you know, from me
it is really simple. I often get out of bed
in the morning, like you know, get it out pretty early.
And but I actually and if I had to shit sleep,
I actually say to myself, you got out of bed, Yeah,
you're all right, I got made to dead. I've got
a lot of friends who or can't get out of
bed there they're stuffed. And you know, like I'm sort

(01:13:33):
of coming up to that that that the next cliff,
and and I think I actually think how lucky I am.
I mean, and so gratefulness is a big deal. I mean,
by the way, very Catholic. Yeah, of course it would
be grateful, but it doesn't matter. It works, It works absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
And there is it like there is. Somebody said to
me not long ago, I've definitely started to not argue
but stand my ground back. I never used to do that.
I just think I'll let this whatever, stupid people of
person say this stupid thing, and then they can just
roll on and I'm not going to have my correspondence.
But these days I will have a word back or
I'm like that's not actually correct. So there was something
that happened I can't remember a few weeks ago when

(01:14:10):
I was working and whatever. It was the sort of
a gas lighting moment where they were like, oh, you
better not turn when such and such happens, and I
was like, yeah, I'm not going to do that because
I am a professional, and b you're actually gas lighting
everybody that I am a risk that I might turn
at any moment, and I've never done it. There's no
evidence show you that I've done it. So I noticed

(01:14:33):
a lot more things that I can call out now
rather than just go, oh, yeah, maybe I should have
done that. Now I'm like, actually, that's incorrect. What you
might find is this and this and this, and being
a little bit more informed, you know, helps me because
before I would just be like, well maybe I don't know,
maybe they're right and I'm wrong would be my headspace.

(01:14:56):
As I get older, I'm definitely getting more confidence in
the No, I actually know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Do you think you? Do you ever think yourself off
of things about myself? But do you ever think yourself? Fuck?
I was actually a very slow maturer. It's taking me
to be fifty odd years of age, but I'm in it. No, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Just turned up to my intelligence in the last five months.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I don't know whether I was sleep walking. I don't
know what I was doing. When I look back at
various parts of my life, I was just like what
the notice that? Or thinking, yeah, how did I How
did I tolerate that? How did I tolerate myself treating
myself like that? So I don't know what it is,
but I just think it's in the past now, So

(01:15:42):
I better just turn up now and do whatever I
can between now and my working years to put things
in place. I guess the financials is the only thing
I don't kind of feel like I have necessarily locked
in place. So that's the thing I'm like, Oh god,
this is what I've got to make up for. This
is what I've got to work towards over like realistically,
one five years, I don't know. I want to Betty

(01:16:04):
White that shit. I want to be working till the grave,
but certainly in a slightly higher income section. I don't
know that i'd go to last there. So that's why
I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
To quickly manage things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, because I thought it already had Yeah, but then
seventy five er is now when I went away.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah, but it's stronger you though, to be able to
actually accept that position. And the fact is that you've
accepted that proposition, and that you've accepted the fact that
you have to do what you have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
And get on with it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
It's fucking unbelievable. You've got to get on with It's
but that's actually the best part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
And by the way, imagine if it went to it
didn't happen until you was sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Five, oh mate, very common.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Yeah, No, No, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Also like some women will have saved, for example, their
husband's dropped dead lucky ducks. No judgment anyway, no, but
so then they have to find their window in. When
I got divorced, I was determined not to ask a
single question because I was like that, I will not
ask a single question about anything, because I just well,
I like the idea of no, I'm being able to

(01:17:07):
work out how I was able to do it. So
I just slowed down. There's stuff when I'm like joining
websites and slow it downstart again. Now I've got to
like program televisions and plug them into my house. Just
slow down and do it. So I've upskilled tremendously in

(01:17:27):
that time. But I feel like that might have just
reignited my brain to give me a whisper more time
that if dementia. I want to be super realistic about dementia,
and if it's coming, then I want to have some
sort of preparation. I read an amazing article that said
that earlier you can recognize it and be honest with yourself,
then you can start to put some repeated behaviors in

(01:17:49):
place that will give you what feels like a much
better quality of life. Because you'll be able to hopefully,
you know, stay in your home a bit longer, you know,
and get get a better quality of life happening, if
that's what's coming. Because it looks like a shit show.
Dementia that's a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
But I mean, I'm getting wound up, We're getting und
But I have to say this my gut feeling. I mean,
I have seen plenty of people with dementia, mates, family,
et cetera. My gut feeling is, Julie, I don't see
it of happening to you. I mean, you're only fifty seven,
but normally the signs would start to become some of
the whispers. I think you're sharper now. I think so too.

(01:18:31):
Then I knew you ten or eleven years ago when
I first met you, when you first came to the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Show, could not harness the thoughts properly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
You're sharper now, and I don't think it's just because
the dexit. But I think you are just sharper. I
think you have a bigger grasp on what's going on. Yeah,
you're more aware of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Totally, just like I have turned up all my volumes
of the best parts of myself and all the bad
parts of myself. I feel like no longer count because
of course I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Not well you both. I think it also made has
turned on your survivor, Jean, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Then yeah, and reignited the brain.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Get that, Jeanes clicked in and you're in and you're
on and then but I actually feel you're gone from
survivor or surviving into thriving. I just get that feeling.
I'm getting that energy from me, always got energy from you,
but you're I mean, I'm getting a real strong positive
feeling from you. So you're killing You're killing it, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I've never been happier. Yeah, I honestly don't think I've
ever been happier.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
And you definitely don't play the victim. You're you know,
you're not carrying that sort of process.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
We'll bits give you the ships like you know, like
I love like swinging maths around my friends, going then
this happened, and that happened. But also I feel a
little bit like it was starting to be a few
years ago now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
And knowing this shit anyway, that's in the dust.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
And also yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Get all mon drama, so like you know that's what
they think. Absolutely was saying, no, one. Really. My mother
used to say to me all the time, but she's
your enemies, enemies don't care, and your friends won't believe you,
so she said, So don't waste your.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Time trying to convince people. Just get on with it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Don't be the victim. Just get on with it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Do you know what I did when the divorce went down.
I was sort of left with a house that wasn't
a code because we bought this house in twenty twenty
that was like a nineteen seventy six building code beast
other thing, and nothing was to building code. Things were
too low, they were too high whatever. I had to
completely restore this entire house while going through the divorce

(01:20:34):
because I sort of had no choice all of a sudden,
all of a sudden, stuff needed to be done. So
I also did such a probably a manic two years
of getting everything in order that now I walk around
my home, it's done. I feel like my finances will
start to build now that I've got some things in place,
and I'm noticing a plan, and I've got a plan.

(01:20:57):
You've got to make a plan. It is the absolute basics,
isn't it. And I think it's never too late to start.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
One hundred percent. And I think that's one of the
I hate the word empowering, but one of the things
of getting you on some was you know, you've got
to look cut through to actually say that, have a plan.
And by the way, you've got to be prepared executed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Though, oh absolutely got execute every day. What about when
of them got to do it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
But you've got to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
He's got to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
And anyone that you can put in place around you
that will help you maintain that regularity I think is
fantastic as well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Mate. I used to have a mate who unfortunately he
had a stroke and pretty young, is about sixty eight
six momen. It happened to him and I was winged
do him about something that I was going through and
he was ten years old. I mean, I was telling
Hi about the story about it and I remember saying
to me basically sort of he didn't say in such words,
but he basically said, listen, Mark, I'm incapacitated here. I'd

(01:21:51):
love to have your problem. And it's a blessing that
you can actually do gigs. It's a blessing that you
are doing the show for ten it's you know, you
have the capacity. That's a blessing. So if you look
at it like that, you're killing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
It, oh, trailblazer, because certainly in the entertainment sector, or
comedy sector or the tough sector beyond, I mean it
used to be beyond. You know, you were lucky if
you last un till fifty. So there are a series
of women and men who are you know, letting that
live on a little bit longer in television, and I

(01:22:26):
guess television is an aging audience as well, certainly for
free to air television, so you know, because everybody else
is kind of streaming. But I think also trying to
make the plan of what's coming next. I already know
I don't know anywhere near enough about AI, Like I
find that all like what if I put in the
wrong thing into the search?

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
But is not going to replace the comedian though.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
No, definitely not your host, but certainly trying to keep
up to date with things. I don't want one of
these big systems within the next ten years to pass
me by, Like I can't get on Instagram because it's
just it's just another thing. I don't want to be
like that about a AI, and I don't want to
be like that about any developments, because I want to

(01:23:08):
still be a part of the conversation as I now move,
you know, to get older and older. I don't want
to be oh I didn't. I didn't know. That's what
Instagram does. I want to be on top of that
so that can still feel like I'm a part of,
you know, the epicenter of society.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Well, Julia one, I want to say thanks very much
for coming up to do the podcast. But I got
two words for you, and you never stop doing this inspired.
You're inspiring, You're actually inspiring.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Ah, thank you. I thought you were going to say
you're fired.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
And the second word is full respect man, thank you respect.
Good one yea, Julian Morris, thanks very much

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