#200: The Inspired Unemployed on Wild Career, Better Beer & their new Interesting Venture

The Inspired Unemployed boys have flipped the script on success — and what’s possible by 30. In this episode, I sit down with Jack Steele and Matt Ford to unpack the chaos behind their comedy skits, their new lifestyle in the spotlight, and some hilarious travel stories. We also get into how they built Better Beer from the ground up — and what they’re planning with their latest venture, Arrival Travel Co.

Check out ARRIVAL's website here: https://arrival.com.au/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi'm my Boris and this is straight Talk Matt and Jack.
Welcome to Straight Talk boys. I think it was like
COVID period.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's good to be back. Yeah, it was about four years.
Three yearsyo.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Fuck you guys had done some stuff between here and there.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I used to be at a like a banana. We're
thirty here, wow, thirty thirty? What three weeks ago? So
I was barling.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I was that crooked before my birthdays, Like my body
was like regurgitating.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Becoming thirty.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
It was like wouldn't let me, And then I ended
up going from twenty nine to forty pretty much.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I was that ruined.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
How was Balley?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's good, good, fine, so do your work.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
It was just holiday. We just built a party.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh both everything. Yeah, it was twenty four of us.
We just built villas there. So we were testing me
up for the first time and we had we got
four of them, so there's four and there was twenty
four of us in four villas. So it was a
full cess pit. It was. It was a big time.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
He goes built them.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're not with her hands, but I'd like to say
there were hammers, but no, there he is, but we
mate he lives over there. He's built them for you
that he was overseeing it.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, that's pretty cool though, like like some I just built,
he can build a much cheaper than air. Yeah, you
can get labor and it's looks they look pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Like like it's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Where I were about to being in.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
And like ABNB price is nearly Australian likes returns great.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
We could before we started building, we could have sold
the land and doubled it, like just because years.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of Russians and stuff going on,
like then they're sort of Ukrainians or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
They're escaping something.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
A lot of Russians there that are doing They're not
the most loved bunch over there by the indoors really
not at all. They're like trying to slowly get him out.
They're just just ruining the place. So like they're driving
around and just racking ship and not wearing not putting
number plates on and just drawing stupid ship.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Every probably scared to say thing to him, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
The government has been actually like kicking him out. Like fully, do.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
You guys ever pinch yourselves?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Like it's just till thirty and here talking about just
built a couple of villas valley, like like, you just
turned thirty whenever, and we celebrated with twenty four of
my mates or twenty two of my mates.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Do you ever pinch yourselves? Like said, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah? Every week, every day we try. It's hard to
I'm in sure everyone relates, but it's hard to process
anything that's happening in your life that's going fast and
it's good. You try to. You try and sit in
and celebrate your win and stuff, but it's so hard
to actually process that.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
What about your family, Like you were saying, you're a
jerone gong boy?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
What is your old man thing?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
He still doesn't even really get to hey, Like I'll
be I was saying this before, like I try and
talk to him about stuff because I'm like, he just
doesn't ask anything. Like he definitely keeps me grounded because
I'm like, oh, I was like Margot Robbie have a
day and you'd be like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'm like, do you not.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Have any other questions?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Like I just told you the craziest like you know,
or like he'd just be like oh yeah and just
never asked.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It just keeps me like purpose.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I think he just honestly doesn't know what the hell's
going on. It's getting a bit old, But.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
But what do you think about that though? How important
is that to you?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, it is like I do want to, Like it
was a problem for a while, like I'm doing all
this stuff, like I'm so proud of like having all
these crazy opportunities, and you just don't want to like
chat about it.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
So it was like it actually took.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
It was hard for a bit there because I'm like,
I want you to be proud of me, Like that's
all I wanted, craving that valid. But he is proud
of me, and he's good, but like he's just so
nonchalant about it all, Like he's just.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like fully mentality too. I don't know how to open
up and get vulnerable. Really, but your dad's gone, he's
better the last two years, Like, yeah, the shift in
his mindset.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
What about you?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
My dad is so My dad's like Falcon's Mom's super
emotional and sensitive and just I mean my parents are
so I'm so lucky. They're so loving and caring and
they're excited. But yeah, I mean it's just hard to
it's hard to keep them up to date, there's just
a lot going on. It happened so quickly, happened so fast,
and every week there's something going on, and you know,
you don't we go wait, we're await a lot, like

(04:06):
we we're home by two days a week. So you
get home, you've got another twenty things going on and
you're just like, yeah, I'm doing this, all that that,
and then you're kind of just like trying to process it,
and then the combo kind of moves on. My dad's proud,
it's super proud.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Do you guys? You don't stay, you don't live with
your parents.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
A lot of thirty year olds, thirty two year olds
and by a sunder left me at thirty two, Like
he's living me until he's thirty two or thirty or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's not unusual these days. So when do you guys do?
Like where is home?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
So we're in Caiama down, both of us. We're still
living a shared house with five of our mates.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
But both yeah, yeah, you're all leaving together.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
We wake up together and the whole day together on
the same bed, sometimes very busy about Then we go
to then we're together twenty for seven and then all
our mates live with us as well, so it's a fun.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Time like outside of the business though, the mates outside
of the business.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, but a couple of them like Domin leam on
the TV show with us and we lived together, and
then Tests is down there. Lean's girlfriend, she works for
Better Be here and Cal one of our mates, he's
up with Golden Out but he works for Better Be
and we all kind of work together and just make
it worse. It's a twine somewhere.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I saw you guys in Perth.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
When when you have sevent person you have seen it
was on which I think it was like two years ago,
maybe because Sydney was this year, Perth was there before.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I think it would have been Volcan fight. That was
the craziest fight ever. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
But what's your involved with the UFC now?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I mean, what is What's they just get near because
you're like famous, or they're getting there because you know
there's you know, a deal in it.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
How's that to work for?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
We did a little a video of tie to a Vasa.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
That was our first kind of working with the USC,
and we just did like did you reach out to
We went to America with him before that, I remember
that we went to because Volco lives like ten minutes
from our house, so he's.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
A moral We're in climate so ten to fifteen drive,
so we kind of have that connection with him.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
But as you ring him up saying may can we
come and talk to you or.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Crowd to us and there like, hey, we like what
you guys do.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
If you you know, there's anything you want to do
or you like a vocals fighting, do you want to
go to the van?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, you know where like free trip, like one hundred percent,
let's go. Yeah, and it as well, and that was it.
It was no, there's no I don't know we got
paid for that trip.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I don't know if we've ever been paid by but
we've always just kind of like just.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah exactly put out Yeah. Especially then it was like
three because it was.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
The first event that we held here, I think, and yeah,
the first one because it was big, it was huge,
a good day and that that that that whole But
Jack Madelina Madelina for too early on on the night
because that was the first that was my first exposure
to him because I went over there too, but I
didn't go over there with UFC, but I went over

(06:58):
the couple mates, we've got a business, and I found
it was the like, probably one of the best events
I've ever been to. I've been to the ones of
the city too, but I think that Perth, very first
Perth event that I went to was out of control.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Like the Perth audience.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
We've thrown an event there next in three weeks because
of that reason. I feel like they're styved with so
much whatever its sleeping there. Yeah, and when they when
you like Sydney is spoiled with Sydney people don't need
it where it's like you go to Perth, They're like,
I'm going one hundred percent. I'm going to go one
hundred percent in the audience.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
What's the event you're going to put on? That over there?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's Arrival launch.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
We're going to talk about the arrival.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
This is the launch party for your new travel business,
which will probably park the will come back to.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Because because I'm done, I know what.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
But when I did see you were telling you were
talking to me about beer brands and you guys were
talking about you were doing better beer at time. We've
already done a podcast see where we did the shoe
at the front, which but I was talking about it
and you were telling me about your sales were just
amazing at the time.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's two years ago. Where's better beer?

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Now it's still quite well. You guys still own it,
were still your brondy partners in.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
We not yet. We're still the same so co founder
as well, Nick Cogger, he's the CEO and us and
Mighty Craft. There was a change there and now there's
just pure pure cup. There's like a just an investor.
But they've just taken over Moneycraft's debt and then that's
that's it. Still we're still just still in our things

(08:30):
and playing along and sales are good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
We so we were just we're exclusive with Dan's and
Bittergress and now that contracts up so we're everywhere, so
pretty much kneeling in every bottle shop in Australia.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So yeah, it's like are you getting your beers up
the front of the bottle shop?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Like, because that's part of the trick, isn't.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It depends on there, It depends on who it is
and they want to do a few and if it's
that time, you know, like there's a lot.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Of and priced like is you're pricing like in the
sort of eagle roo like a box of tools or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
We're still a little bit more obviously, we're just because
we're not seven million dollars, so they can afford to
do that, you know, which is hard. It's really hard
to compete with We're like the streets, say two bucks
extra or whatever if we're at full price, and then
they will be two dollars less, and there's you know,
if people are wanted cheap piece, then they're not going
to buy every Yeah, I think in the market of

(09:19):
the zero card Lago where the best seller by far,
so they will go. They'll buy no matter what, which
is very lucky. We got in a really good time.
Better be like, the timing was unbelievable with our zero
car Blargo. Now we've seen in the last what six
months has been every single you've been in the line
have brought out combined about seven products in the zero
car larger space like two weeks Carleny, all of them

(09:42):
for every one of them has brought out a zero
car Blargo or a low Carlgo. What did you guys
think about it?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Zero car?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
It was nick actually yeah, well, but we were also
that that craze where the celts as were going off.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Like that just went yeah, total tank.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, but it's just all about the zero carbs, zero
sugar and you're like, I'm drinking a drink that.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Has zero cbs. Yeah, and you're like this is heaven.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And we were like we were drinking them as well
as beer. But we're like, we didn't want to start
the celtzer. We wanted a beer like we love to be,
so like, let's try and get the statistics of a
seltzer but beer.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
So that's where it kind of came from.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
And it was a nick and because we wanted to
do a craft beer because that's what was blowing up.
Then he's like, no, let's do this. I'm like, true,
that's what we want as well, so let's do it.
And then we did that and it was just because
it was something new and fresh and nothing like Australian mark.
I hadn't really seen anything like that, and it just
went off and we're like, we just did. We didn't
think we're going to be competing with like these brands.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
But if you have, you got a lager as well
in this as part of the series of beers or
just it's just zero.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Zero carb is like a lager and then we have.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Oh no, we have a midi, a medi that has
a few carbs and but it's a ultra log carb.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
We got a midi, we got a ginger beer.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
What a non.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Actually one hundred million of can next week? No, yeah,
exactly of the zero cup, Yeah, one hundred million.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
How many years with the man now three years? That's
pretty phenomenal. How is your platform for that?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I mean obviously, like so I think like to get
initial sales and high you obviously need a presence. But
if your product ship, it doesn't matter. Because in the
week two no, I was gonna buy it. Yeah, so
I think the same thing. The product was good. We
got like with timing, and we had the social media
back backing and community. You don't know that you can
have a lot of followers in the community and your screwed.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
I was going to say to give two putters decided
they wanted to put that out. It's probably likely it's
not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
We're at the start. We remember, we were like saying
to Nick, it was started with three of us, like
everything the design of it, like every single thing for
three of us. Now as a team of a bunch
of twenty people. But it was like should we I
remember being so scared that it wasn't going to I
was like, can we use that credit card? Go around
the stores and drive around and by get sales up,

(12:05):
and then five days the whole nation sold out and
we're like, okay, we're dealing with a b s. Let's
high some people right now.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
So how do you find something that you guys do
it yourselves?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So it's just nearly nothing.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, like we had so Mighty Craft was like a
distributor and they kind of invested.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
They just gave us like a loan of like a
million dollars.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
That was less.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I don't think we use I think that was there.
And then but yeah, it's because we don't own a brewery.
So it's all like it's kind of like all drop shipping.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, So it's a really good business model because they
make it all a brewery high brewery to make it all,
and they send it out and then send to the
stockers and they pay out you know.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
So it's just like we don't really have it takes
a risk.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
On the on the on the production of the booze, like.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
So well, I think because because we're sending it to
someone and then they pay us, there's no real no
one's really sitting on stock like it gets made, sends out.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
They pay as we pay the brewery.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
It's kind of.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Like, so, did you ever get nervous about it?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Then? Not ask? Not ask because we're not on day
to day logistics. That's more Nick he'd be sweating. We
speak to him every day. Yeah, but he deals with
a lot of a lot of stress. And then the
then the lawsuits started coming and of competitors and.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
What are they sitting for?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
People just get if you're doing well, they just they
just have. We had a couple we had one big one,
one big one, and they lost because they had no
case at all. But they just honestly, like there was
a stage there for two years. It was like a
fucking lawsuit every single month. It was just like, give
us a break. But it was a good sign at

(13:40):
the same time, because it's like because you're making a noise,
we're making noise and people are hating it, but.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's taking market share.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Frustrating. Does it cost your money?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
How do you feel about having young would have been
pretty young at twenty seven. How do you feel about
at the time dealing with lawyers just cost you a
lot of money?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, fun, I mean honestly, we just just I don't know.
I feel like we just were like, it's all going
to be fine. We've done we've done nothing wrong, and
we've got a team that works around the Do you.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Think no, if it is sometimes is a good thing,
like I think so.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I mean, like you like me, we still freak out
and trust me, like we still stress out about a
bunch of shit all the time twenty four seven. But
with something like that, it's like we've got we've done
the work for it to work. Even if we get
sued a million times, it's still going to go past
that because we've got the backbone there of the business,
and you've got the community to the community got the
business and people can sense that people coming down the

(14:33):
woodwork to just go to get a bit of exposure.
So it's all bullshit.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Really yeah, but you still have to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
You have to deal with it and it costs your money,
which is painting us. But we luckily don't sit on
the zooms with always every day, just don't. Our team does.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
So is your partner Nick he's.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
He's losing here as well. The second guys.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
So he liveing with you guys.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
No, he's down Victim's from Talkie down Victoria.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
He's actual actual brewer.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
From like eighteen and then he owns pubs and stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
So your your formula whatever you call it, your secret.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Sauce which you give across to the people who make
the beer for you, is that locked up somewhere.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like, yeah, it's heavy. Ndas's seriously yeah, yeah yeah, lit
the recipe?

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah yeah, but what role did you guys playing playing
the Like did Nick did he walk up and say, look,
here's ten glasses of beer.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
We went down the brewery and just testing Griffith so
you know a yellowtail wines. Yeah, so that's where it
gets brew it.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
So we're out there, Yeah, just testing on the beer
is like trying to get the formula right. We're down
there a couple of times to try and get it right.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
It just taste beer after beer after be You.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Have no idea what you drinking. You're just like, I
don't even know what it tastes like anymore. I think
it's good. You go back sober the next day and
you're like Okay, it's good. I don't know it tastes
like but it's working. Whatever it is is working.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So what do you what's it? What do you guys
intend to do with this beast?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Good question?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, like we just we just keep selling.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, yeah, I hope it just keeps oning, trying and
growing it and like it's just fun.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's such a fun brand to be a part of.
Like we always gonn do.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Fun things and it's just yeah, I don't know, like
maybe one day, I don't know who knows, approached by
anybody to sell it.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's been a few commos. Yeah, yeah, but it's like
we still feel like we can build it up more. Yeah,
we still feel like it's got legs, a lot of legs, and.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
You don't need to sell it. Yeah, it's not like
young we need the capital, I need the cash.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, And it's I mean Nick might feel
the other ways, probably very stressful, but for us, we're
just like we can keep growing it. We've got more
skews coming out, and we're excited and.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Hoping to do it like a Boulder Boulder exit like
Mick Fanning.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Nobody be nice one day maybe, But that seemed pretty
that time because they're going to really early though. The
stone would hit that stone would hit the jackpop. Yeah,
half a billion dollars whatever that was, and that was in.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
But they sold pubs with it too.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, and I did they Yeah, and they and they
got on tap. They just pumped because we I think
we're doing a fair bit more than stone Wood in store.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah. But then on tap they've just that's a great beer.
So like on tap they pump.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Because because they bought a couple of pubs, and in fact,
one or two of them, the original founder still owns
the Bengalo Hotel for example, and still on tap there.
So they were actually actually able to get it through pubs,
and I know the Bolts actually put it through. They
built her at their brewery up up the North coast.
They built her like a bar.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's good tap room. Yeah, we've done to it there
as well, have you had? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:45):
And that's because and that was the way of their marketing,
you know, being also having fun.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah exactly, that's a great brand as well, killed as
well and the bed so like they had the backbones
there as well.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, because my mate David Angel was one of the
big investors in it, and because he's made of Mick
Fanning and Joel et cetera, a few of the other guys,
and he was just I interviewed him last week and
he's only telling the story last week about people were
putting in ten thousand and pulling out two million.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Whoa holy doing.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
It makes there's too because they just went around to
their mates and said, look, we need to raise this
amount of money to get this thing off from up
and running. And a couple of boths putting a million,
but a lot of got a lot of maces, putting
ten surface bake border.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I was just putting ten ground whatever you have a yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and say yeah the end.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
But like these things, but because why I'm saying this
to you, and I want to ask you, like a
lot of people see those successes, they think, oh fuck,
I can do that. And by the way, there's a
lot of beer brands around. Not I'm not talking about
your ones so much, but there are a number of
beer brands around the moment, some which are closing up
left fronight so all over the joint. Really, there was
one in Newcastle. Come it was cool now, like.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Oh yeah about steel City.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, yeah that was cool, and that was with like
John's and yeah it's some really good surface.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah cooked crazy, but you guys go through it.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well, you know, we're like you, it's more like the
craft broers struggle because yeah, and it's it's hard to
do volume and then distribution. So you know, we have
distribution and people drinking our zero cup lager and it's
like four X and Northern. You just smashing a case.
You're not buying two Crafties, You're buying a case. So
you're selling volume. I think that's where the numbers coming
because the margins aren't great.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
But is the reason why buy a case and not
a couple is because they can't drink more because of alcohol,
But is because they can drink more with that putting
weight on? Is that the is that the driva?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
And so it's an easy drinking lager. It's not like
a heavy like you.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Know sometimes you drink Crafty and you're like, oh, you
feel like you've had a meal after it.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, it's like just very clean and just crisp and
just easy to think.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like, yeah, I've drunk it.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's a good, good tasting beer.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Have you talked to tie about drink West because are
you're invested in that? No, No, not that, But but
I've had him here and I think I might have
suggested you guys, when did you guys get together?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Remember you said that to us in w A.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, because because I just think that, like.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
His personally is a big personality, and he's got and
he's got other people behind it, like he's got clear
isn't Yeah, he's got Nathan Cleary like and then they're
about as bigger personalities in the West City as you're
going to find.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, for sure, there's no one bigger. Because I think
that the future for these sorts of things is combined.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
H Because I just reckon at the end of the day,
the purchases, the buyers probably got a lot of businesses already,
especially in craft yours not craft, but it's craft, and
that it's not their brand, that's another brand.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
But they're going to I reckon only one or two
more sales left.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, because the pretty much every beer brand is owned
by s A or Kieran, like the Line or t B.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
So the opin Yeah, they pretty.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Much got the whole market's like totally got the market.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, So it's kind of like hard for us because.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
We're but if you make money doesn't matter, it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Does, Yeah, exactly. The coopers have been independent for me.
They're clearing good money.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, and you're young enough to like you're not like
you're trying to find an exit time play golf down and.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
It look desperate. And also if you if you I
feel like that's your main priority, you're in you're doing
the unit for the wrong reason. And then you start
looking Yeah, it's not it's not a good look. Yeah.
And it's like, you know, if you've got to grow
on business, someone's going to approach it eventually.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
How do YouTube like there's one cut mon so in
other words, you're both good at the same thing, or
is one good at something else and the other one's
not so good?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
It's a good question.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
It's like I feel like we do even each other out,
Like say, for instance, I'm really keen to do something,
He'll be like, noah, Like we make sure we get
to the right decision.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So I'd be like, say, for instance, someone's a peasant,
if someone's an optimists in a certain situation, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
But you just swap it around.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
And if he's really keen, I'm like, well, I don't
think we should do this, just so we really understand
what we're about to go into. So it's like he's
like the prose of things we can you know, we
can make this and this could take us to hear
and we can make this kind of whatever. And then
I'll be like, but then you know, this might happen,
like they might not like that, and it's been.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
A different deal the reverse if you come up with
the idea, because he's one of you more the ideas.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Personally, both honestly both. It's so we're like fifty to
fifty to a team. It's not like if someone's sitting
at the computer while the other one's out on the streets,
say it's selling. Yeah, it's not like that at all.
It's just like super collaborative. It depends what it is.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, you know, so you you were more like the
travel This travel business is more Jack's idea, and then
I don't know, I might.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Be at the product.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
He's more product.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Honestly not. It's like it's just difficult, same person, but
we switch it around. It's wild and.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like we would like just like even skins, like he'll
think of one and then the next one, I might
think of one.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
It just like just depends what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
You like just actually creative dudes, Like you're just sitting
there thinking about all this shit all the time in your.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Head twenty four seven. It's a great place to.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Be and sometimes live together like that, like because effectively,
you guys are like, let's call it a startup, but
it's a really successful startup. It's been a up for years,
but it's a successful startup. And you live together, you're
talking about it or stuff for you're watching each other,
You're throwing the shout in front of each other, what
about this? And you've got your other mates there who
are probably involved in you said, involved verious businesses. If

(23:27):
you're if you're sitting there trying to today to map
out for a young entrepreneur or young entrepreneurs who want
to be successful, would you say that living together and
working together and nearly like being one person is really yeah,
like married couple, Nelly?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Like is that?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (23:51):
That's one of the non negotiables and being successful for
what you guys have done.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
A lot a lot. I think it does work. Partnering
up with someone is can work. So heavily in your
failure if it's the right person. But to find that
right person, he's about one in one hundred, I mean
could be more. But like I don't know all of
our We we've got ten of our best mates. We're
all best friends. Like I'm just as close with all
my mates as I'm with our can But I don't

(24:17):
think I can work with any of them, even though
I love them, I could not do it with the
way we work together. It's just so unique and it's
taken a long time to get to a place of you.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Know, it's a lot of like how much compromising you
have to do?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So much com every day, like NonStop you do.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
I feel like punching in the head.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Not that bad. But we disagree on heaps. But yeah,
if you don't come to a solution quick and get
over it, then we have to find each other. Funny,
we have to make business decisions together, we have to
live together, we have to everything, drive the car together
twenty four seven, like travel together. When the going's tough,
you're together. When you disagree, you're together. So it's like
you've just got to find We've just figured it out

(24:52):
over like all these years. How to and at the
start it was actually a bit different. I was more
way a lot more dominant, would you agree, And you
were kind of just like golden with the flow. And
then now it's it's what we just said before. It's
like fifty to fifty everything. It's so weird.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
But yeah, like on business calls and stuff, Jack would
definitely take the lead because I'm like, people, please, I
wouldn't want to like i'veset anyone and they're kind of
like hard to like, you know, I wouldn't want to
offend anyone and stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
And then now I've kind of like you kind of
just realized.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Business isn't it's not from personal and you just got
to fucking say what you want or how you wanted.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
And yeah, so I feel like I've learned from that,
like I need to like step up more so.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
But what have you guys learned about yourself? Like leak, now,
what have you been in business?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
How long?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Now?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Six seven years?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah? Five six years, six years, so like sitting here
as your thirty year olds, Yeah, what have you learn
about yourselves?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I think at the start, like I was really like
wasn't confident at all, always second guess and like kind
of just like imposter syndrome.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, and we're now we've been here.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
For a bit longer.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I feel more confident in like, no, I kind of
know what is the right decision with the beer. Like
I say'd be like, oh no, we should do it
like this, so we should do it that. And about
the start, you wouldn't. You're just so unsure of yourself.
But now we a bit more sure of ourselves and
kind of even we've just got a new management and
you just know what you want and and who you

(26:20):
want to be around.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah. Yeah. Someone's saying to quote the other day, this
woman she does a lot of brand work in America
for like the Kardashians and stuff, and she's very successful,
runs own business and stuff. And she was going into
a meeting and she was the CEO, but she was
just freaking out all the time. And then her husband
is also kind of like a mentoring person. He was like,

(26:41):
you're walking in there with a with a employee mindset,
not a CEO mindset. Yeah, and it just changed straight away.
She's like, oh my god, that's so true. And I
felt that is imposter syndrome in a way. And we've
we've had that heats a lot, you know, but then
we've figured out now it's like from the start, we've
always made decisions to be long term. Always like we've
had a lot of offers with stuff, as you do, if

(27:02):
you've got to follow me, and we've always been like, nah,
if it's not right, don't do it. It doesn't the gut
feeling is not there, don't do it. And who we're
go into business with is because they're a good person
and we know them and we trust them, and they
don't just have a flashy can't they're talking shit and
they've got all this money. We don't give a shit
about that. And we've always gone into business for that
one reason. It's never let us down, even with like
management anything. It's not just the beer. It's like or

(27:25):
the travel company, it's TV shows about any anything we
work on is about the person you're working with and
the gut feeling of there it's just them.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Because it honestly is like you're going into like a
family because like when you're doing business, it's like you
become family because you we're just talking every day. So
you need that person to be like, you know, you
want to gel with them or think they're a good
person because and.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
You want to win together. You want to win with
someone that you don't even like, like you got to
like them exactly, got to like them. Their values are
in place and they're not just fake because you're a
lot of people try and just they show boat. And
then you can kind of sit down with lunch with
them and you're like, oh wow, this could be cool.
They're like, yeah, you can do whatever. You won't have
all this money, blah blah blah. And then you kind
of like suck them out for a bit and you're like,
you're can tossa You're not real at all, You're a fraud,

(28:09):
like you're faith And then then six months later you
realize something someone tells you're like, oh my god, we're
lucky we didn't do that.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
And so for thirty year old though, it's pretty amazing
to be able to have experience enough, have experienced enough
to be able to say no that who's a toss on,
who's a fake and fraud like that, that's pretty cool,
Like nobody.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
People get to do that at thirty or have done
it by thirty.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
You know, we've got so we've been surrounded by such
good people growing up in a hometown and like a
small coastal town of good family and friends, so you
kind of know how to read people and who's fake.
And we've always had a strong friend group where we
weren't chopping and changing friends every day. So you like,
do your friends.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Tip your so that the person a good a pretty good.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Judge car that we all know. Yeah, like that we
all kind of know. Then we've like we're lucky we
blew up mid twenties and not eighteen, because we wouldn't.
We wouldn't be this smart. I'm not we're not smart
at all, but like in the sense of what you're
talking about, we wouldn't have any idea. We'd just be like, yeah,
we'll do whatever. Whereas we blew up later on, we've
been trading for years and years and years, and we've

(29:12):
been humbled and we knew what we didn't want to
go back to, and so we were like, this is
got to be long term, and we've got to make
sure of it. And how we make sure of it
is reading people and making sure we're not just going
to buy a dream that someone selse yeah that's fake.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Mentioned TV shows and like your experience with TV generally
is pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Also, all the other other formats the list with the list.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like that was our dream from like day time when
we really yeah, when we were started the inspiring ployable
traveling overseas. Imagine if we like the dream, never thought
it was going to be a reality, but having our
own trouble show because we grew up watching like Hamishnandy
and and we just like but when we started the play,
this was never going to be like this dream was.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
But you actually talked.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
About that then, like, yeah, every it was because we
were were going to get paid to travel. That was
our goal. Yeah, if we get paid to travel, that's
get away.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
You want to be one of the getaway people anything
anything I get paid, mate.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Because I haven't watched that show. I used to watch
it myself. Imagine getting paid to go.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
On yeah red Wine getting paid. It's like that is there.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
I wouldn't even add a book. Where the funk is
that joint?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
We used to make fake We used to make getaway sketches,
sketches back on our We had a page before the
inspoted employee called Pinetree TV. Yeah, we used to make
get away ripoffs there so we've always like, pretend you're
in somewhere in like sixty nine minutes and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
But then yeah, we're doing the TV show The Practical Jokers.
We have Warner Rubbers and they heard we we always
wanted to.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Do a travel show, and so you socialized that with
them or did you go socialize the fact do you
always wanted to a travel show or that someone told
them you want to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
We I think they will coming to us because because
you Practice Jokers did well and and we're friends with
Warner Brobbers guys, and yeah, Johnny was kind of like,
if you want to go again with anything, let us know,
blah blah blah, and we're like yeah, and then we
mentioned the travel show and then we kind of just
he come back and he's like it could be really good.
But and then we're like, yeah, let's then we kind

(31:14):
of had to make the formula of this show.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Did you have to? So who constructs it us?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, with them, but it's our idea.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
So you pitch it your pitch and sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Didn't really need to pitch this one too well because
we'ready in with Warner Brobbers.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
But you still need to sell it, but idea and yeah,
so we were yeah, so we originally like, honestly, we
want to do a bucket list to look back at
list places, and we realized like that's not going to
people aren't going to watch that. They want to watch
people getting, you know, in bad situations. So we were like,
they were going to come up with a list and
just send us and we just go into things blind,

(31:49):
which we were yeah, which we were like, this will
be fun, this will be fun, Like obviously it's going
to be some tough times in it, but we're like.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
People want to see pain. I don't want to see
you having fun.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
And we're thing for this sounds like that practical joke
what was called the United States?

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Johnny Oh Jack asked, it sounds like that, but but
we travel yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
A little bit not as hextic.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, so so I just want to get my head around, Hey,
you're not not pitching.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Didn't it a pictures?

Speaker 4 (32:18):
You already knew the dudes, But no, unless you have
to sell a story in because otherwise it's not going
to be going to want.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
To for sure, we had you build it like man,
there was Honestly, we're still building it as we were
editing it when it was already shot. That's how it was.
So we learned a big lesson of a formula and
a model of a show is not easy at all.
We learned a lot with this one. And you know,
it starts with an idea on a Google doc and folks,
am I talking about it. Then it's like you just

(32:44):
slowly craft away at it and chip away at it.
Then you get in a room with the producers Warner
Brothers at the time, and you're like, you just try
and nut it out, and you're like, Okay, maybe this
won't work, and then you come to a collision and
you're like, you're stuck on two days of just thinking
hard about how you can solve this problem. Then you
work it out and then then after three months you're like, oh,
I think we've got to show you go and film it,

(33:06):
come home, edit it. And we owned fifty percent of
the show with Warner Brothers, so we wanted the rights
to edit it all and stuff, and they're really good
with that because I know it's our audience that's gonna
watch it and you have and we're control freaks in
that sense. So we were just that was an absolute nightmare.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Editing, sitting in front of the edit screen.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
But just to show that wasn't it's not a formula.
Wasn't a formula. We made it up so like we're
trying to figure it out. It was, and we made
it a bit complex, but we not on the final result,
but like, well, you know it was a bit complex
when we're like, oh, we've got this too many moving party,
Like how does it all make sense? Like we had
to move things around and cut things, and then you
just like I wish we could go back and film

(33:45):
one all a little bit.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, because it's also like a scripted show where it's
like this scene leads into this into this, we go
film for three hours and then we've got to chop
that up to seven minutes, which is really hard.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
I was going to say it, just give me a
big an idea of that, so because I mean when
I used to do The Apprentice, we used to do
eighty eight hours of filming for forty minutes of television.
It's insane, and they're just picking a little bits out
of the edit and putting it all together.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
So like one episode, like give me an idea.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
What say you?

Speaker 3 (34:12):
For instance, so they walking. Oh yeah, so in Japan
we went to like walking school. It's like they were walking.
It's like synchronized walking.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
So they they do it. They do this like four
days a week for really week.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, synchronized walking.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Probably how to point your thumbs, what direction your legs?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Probably it's crazy girls boys and girls learning how to walk?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Learning how to walk? Probably? How old are that instructor?
Is a psychopath? Like screaming at you NonStop. They're like
high school. So it's weird.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's like, why do you want to work?

Speaker 3 (34:45):
But you know when they walk, it's like they're like
army kind of they look like an army, like soldiers
and they it's not just tradition there. Yeah, but they
walk in like criss cross and they it's like to
the mill where they just just missed each other and
they all criss crossing and it's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
The watch.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
How do you find out about that?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
The producers find it so they kind of like come
up with research researcher. Yeah, they just research it all
and we go in blind, so we don't really know
what we're walking into.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
But that's part of this. That's the that's the show.
You don't know what you're going.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, we wanted to be surprised so we can be
real on camera.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yah.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah yeah, so ea term the Japan.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah yeah, So we go to Japan and we got
sent there, Like we go out in a bus for
two hours out of Tokyo, and we don't know what
we're doing, and everyone's in the bus and then they
or the whole crew gets out of the bus and
we stay in it for maybe half an hour, forty minutes,
sometimes two hours. Yeah, they go set up up so
at all we don't know what we're doing. And then

(35:38):
they still don't know. Yeah, and then they say, all right,
ten minutes you're coming in. And then they come and
get us and we just walk in blind. I don't
know what's going on. Get in there, and we realize
we're in like a big hall in the China talk
Japanese or someone, and we got this list and we're
like what does this mean. They're like, you have to
do synchronous walking, and then we might film in there
for two hours. Yeah, two hours, like just non stop.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
They just have cameras on us, rolling for two hours,
and then then you pull off to do interviews and
interview them and they yeahs bits and bobs like that.
But once you want that because normally their moments so
it's like a festival or it could be a concert
that you go on stage and perform with someone or
whatever it is, it's it's happening in a moment, so
you can't really go and shoot it again, so you

(36:23):
just really hope you capture everything in that moment.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Free cameraman.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, three camera guys. Director. There's about twelve us on
the round to producers light. Yeah, got a good team, yeah,
yeaheah yeah yeah. People people probably think it's just us
in our iPhone and.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
My waterer brothers thinking themselves.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
This costs a lot of money too, because we've got
to we're going to get everything we can in the
shortest man period.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
And then the guy I had to be able to
Guy Declly's over there and he's like the head of content,
so he would have to travel in a different car
and plane to Usk with the hard drives because we've
just cost there's a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
And then we were in South Africa. We shot in
Soweto in the most It's where Mendela's from the most
dangerous township. Apparently in South Africa.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Scary.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, And we had up security like big sas swat
guys like like not dressed up, but they had just
strapped with guns under him and like it was nah.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
When filming this thing and they want to film in
the afternoon, we we're gonna get out of you before
it goes dark. And shootings got pushed but you know
what Dale said, it was like just gets pushed back,
pushed back, and by the time we went on, we're
doing a wrap battle actually, And by the time we
went on, it was dark and everyone was freaking out
because we should have done this like two hours before

(37:37):
and it was dark and we got to.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Go, like we gotta get the out of here. So
we went on there did it all.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Everyone was really lovely, but everyone was freaking out and
I went dark. We had one hundreds of thousand dollars
of camera gear in this thing.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Nicked place.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
So when we're driving out, we had four SUVs doing
like circles around us on the whole way.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
If there was a red light, we just go straight
through it. Like were just laughing, like, oh man.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
This is give me to the hotel.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, it took us to the front door with five cars.
It was nuts because the day before our wreck our
producer was doing a wrecky the day before we rocked up,
maybe a week before, and she was just scoping out
the site and she was in a van here and
then in front, by coincidence, there was another van just
with camera ye filming something else, just like a little
interview with people, and another event pulled up, guns, everything

(38:27):
just fucking got out, just held them all up and
just robbed everything and then left and then Kaylor was like, well,
we're not shooting you tomorrow. Then our guides, they we
had like producers from over there as well. In each country.
We had a like one or two people and they
live there and they're like, just do not walk around
at I don't do this, don't do that. And they're

(38:47):
talking telling the stories about them parents and them getting
robbed in two all bucks got jumped the night before
we got there, and they're like big front rollers and
they got they got done. So it's like who they're
getting done gone?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
And what about the German strip club? Tell me about that?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Was it was cold, It's eight degrees.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So yeah, we were staying in Munich and we're there
at the same time as Octoberfest, and we've done one Thingtoberfest,
I think, and then we the next day we at
the drive out.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Maybe were never like an hour or two years. We
had to get to like six am and we didn't
know where we're going.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Driving out the countryside's actually really beautiful, but it's freezing,
and we go to this nude recreational park. So it's
just like this place where people go out just hanging
out nude in which I think that where we were,
Like it was the last week before they closed down
for like three months and they come back in the
summer and it's just like a place where you go
out there and there's there's a pool there and.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
They're playing ping pong and shuttle cock. No you can
you can't work clothes in there.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, yeah, so where do you guys?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
So we had fully nude and me and Jack like
we'll always hang around, but we've never seen each other
like completely nuded.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Around the house. We're not that closed and so we're
doing it like it was just eyes up here. We're
playing strip shuttlecock. So if you if you are.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
You actually playing playing with the residents.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, they were new were walking in they're all nude.
We got we're looking at police batons and whatever else
is going on in there, and and and then playing
nudechuldcock and they're like, all right, come on, play nudehole cock.
And then we set up filming and the ladies that
are on our film crew, they they went and hit
around the corner. So we're playing, and then I beat Falcon,
so he's gone down and he's oneys and he's just
stripped down and I've then I've lost and I'm stripped down.

(40:31):
Then we're just doing activities with these people nude, just
like high five and playing soccer. And and then they
lift me on their shoulder because I want no Two
guys lifted me on their shoulder and they're running me
around the back in the back. They're running me around
the back of the house. It was a very oh,
it was yeah, something I don't really want to do again.
But they on the shoulders. They're running me around the back.

(40:53):
And this is where the ladies from from our set
are sitting, and they're hiding around the corner. And there
running new on the corner and I forgot my hands
in there cheering and then bang, look up three of
them are just standing the crew. Now I'm going to
sit on the bus of you for two weeks and
you know everything about that.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
And it was cold and and then now and it
keeps saying it was cold, just really preference.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
It was so cold. And the that was the thing
like us people is just we went to the new
park and just hang out.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You nearly be all right.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
But when you have like seven people like yeah, just
filming you crew, it's I couldn't look down.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I was too scared to look down at what was
going on down there. We got the film crew nude.
But by the end, yeah, they're filming nude.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, film, I want you to.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Get your kids off. So how many episodes is this?
And where where we can watch this?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Six? Six six? We can watch it on Paramount plus,
Paramount plus.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, which way did you prove your show?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah yeah, and so so I just.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I said I wanted to park your new trouble business.
So this is something you've always dreamed about, having trouble.
So you always dreamed about having doing the list thing, like,
you know, being getting paid effectively getting paid to go
on visit joints.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
You did that. Now you've got your own trouble business.
Yeah yeah, so this tell me about.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
It, so arrival. It's cool. It is sparked from an
idea in bed three years ago. Probably you don't have
those ideas. Your pillow heads are bed and all of
a sudden your Einstein and come over these ideas.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
And it wasly three am in the morning.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Got oh, yeah it's down at it's bad but it's great.
But he's had this idea. And I got up and
I started writing in my book and anyway, we met
this guy.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
You wrote your ideas now, yeah, good, not always.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
But if I'm like title, just every night, I'll just
open my phone up and speak them into my camera.
I'll wake up the morning. I've got nearly all of them,
listen to them back and mostly ship but some are good. Anyway,
So I wrote this idea down and then six months
prior to that, we met this guy which is out
now co founder and business partner, Quentin, and he reached

(43:01):
out to us in Japan when we're over there and
he just another, you know, another person that we got
off gut feeling, and he's a good person, didn't want
anything in return, helped us out, put us up an
accommodation and drove us around the countryside almost for nothing
in return, and we just got along with him so well.
And he actually he owns me out and watched travel
so it's snow Company and they take people from Australia
to Japan on snow trips and it does quite well.

(43:22):
And he owns a bunch of stuff in Hucker Brow
and stuff in Japan. Anyway, so we met him and
then I have this idea. Then we're at snow Machine,
one of his festivals he runs in Queenstown, and I
was like, oh, yeah, I got this idea. It's like
you know, travel Platform, where it's like, you know, it's younger,
it's more cool, it's experiences and it's a really good
app blah blah blah. And he's like, dude, I've been

(43:43):
thinking about the exact same thing as a massive hole
in the market. Blah blah blah. She had this chat
over a couple of hours and we're getting real excited.
In the morning, I was kind of like, oh, I
had this chat with Quentin last night for I can
like blah blah blah. He probably forgot about it. Say
what did you say? I can't remember. I was like, oh, yes,
we're pretty busy. Yeah enough on we got enough. That's
always the thing. Yeah he brings something around. I'm like,

(44:04):
oh mate, we can't we're too busy. And then the
same thing there. But we knew, like we love beer.
It started to be a company that's got legs now,
so we're like, the only other thing to do is
travel company. That's what we fully believe. It is from
our heart. We're not selling anything fake. So yeah, then
a month later of that conversation, Quentin sent us a
pitch deck through Massive one.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
He pitched one to you.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
He sent us a pitch deck with what we were
talking about, just not a pitch deeck, a deck and
I was like, oh serious about it, that this is
great and then bang zoom happened and then that was
too eusy. So now we've got a team of fourteen.
We're a team of fifteen full time in the office
in Queens.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
You haven't actually launched though, we haven't.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
We launched on the twenty second.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
But you took those number of years to build it. Yeah,
we're going to get licenses and stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
And you're dealing with companies met like all around the
world with different.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, to build your content and you're.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, we had to get travel and film at all
and you've done all that the partners. Yeah, and it's
a big job.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah. It's not like one product that just you make
one product and goes out to all stuff. It's like
you've got to curate all the different travel like trips
around the world, different policies.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So it's just like it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
How much like your inventory, Yeah, because you're selling packed whatever,
you're travel experiences.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
But for younger people, yeah, but for anyone twenty to forty,
i'd say, yeah, twenty forty forty is pretty yeah, fucking young.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
You're looking at.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Everyone.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
It's it's more like adventure stuff, you know. I feel
like there's a bit of a hole in the market there.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Where you're not going to to lay down on the
deck cheek. No, it's not like pretty ship. We've got that. Yeah.
We have a bunch of like we have wide ri
there's categories. Is like you give you something, the categories
you're on the thing, you're on the app, website, whatever
you want to use, and it will have So it's
like connection maker. We've got power to Hunt, which is
snow we've got surf, We've got wellness Wonderer, We've got events,

(45:57):
culture events, so you can you can like categorize it
down to what you specifically want as a traveler, so
you can go and connect with people doing a You
can go to Italy and we've got like these you
know those little buggies you drive around in the traditional
mouth case buggies, So you can do tours around there
to wineries and eateries around Italy. Or you can go
frigging Mongolia much a pitch you on horseback and do

(46:19):
a weak trek. Or you could go surf trip, snow trip.
Are you're going to retreat in India? As a health
and well Yeah, so we've got we've got a mix
of everything on this app, and it was all curated
to who you are as a person and how you
want to travel. You put in all these things and
then it will.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Come like a little menu.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, it's kind of like click, you get four. So
you've got like four options to choose. Are your wellness,
do you want to connect with people? Do you want
to be more thriller in action? You choose all these
things and will cater it down to a specific bunch
of trips.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Search for you searches things that your curate exactly, and
then you're going to put in like beach mountains, there's
a snow as well, and he comes up gives you
like all these.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Different snow altogether wind the gather. Yeah, and are there
any that the like for you? Really exotic like anything?
What's a really exotic one?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Well, for example, we're on a kurgy stand, which not
many people have heard of. It's not Kazakhstan's kurgy stand.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's around the same territory, it's under it.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, it's so that we're going there in two days
and we're going we're going ten days horseback and motorbike,
ride through the through the mountains and gone to stay
in beautiful yurts and see nice villages.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Have you done that?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Have you guys experienced most of these things or any
of these things? This one we haven't, but seventy percent
of the ones we got on seventy eighty percent of
the things on it. We've got fifty trips starting with
we'll probably up to one hundred within the first year.
But the fifty we've been to and done like fifty
percent percent. And you're filming there yeah, filming there, taking
film over.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
So what you're going to which platform we're going to use?

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Are you going to use your platforms or you're going
to build a new platform to sort of promote the ship.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
So you have its own Instagram handle and they we're
obviously proto on spying ployed, but they of its own.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, and it's it's an app. You want to go
on that app.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Mostly yeah, but you're going to support it with social Yeah,
but it's you guys in the social see whilt you're
not using into by unemployed that that app?

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, so sorry that that Instagram you're using yourselves.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, so YouTube dude for your audience.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
It's like betty Be, Like, so betty Be, we kind
of at the start with the face and stuff, but
we build in a way that it grows and lives
without us, like we wanted to outlive us.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
So that's the same.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
We've arrival, we'll launch and like it's our baby, but
it's its own thing and it'll run its own course
and doesn't doesn't need us to survive.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Okay, So you've eventually made your dream come true sort
of thing things you've been dreaming out for years, winning
and launch it.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
When's this coming out? Because if I say a date,
it might yeah, twenty seconds launch, so any time after
that we won't. I'll just say fucking we've already launched
it out. Yeah, and where where we're going to we're
going to do the launch launches happening in So we're
going to be in Kogsting when we launched off.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, but what are you doing there? But you already
got an episode there, haven't you got haven't you got
an episode?

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Haven't you got that already as a on your travel?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, but we haven't done it yet. And then we're
also given out. So I met a mate in Paris
one time, randomly just met this dude and it turns
out he's got like this non for profit. He takes sunglasses,
designer sunglasses, old ones from the factories of like Gucci
and Prada and stuff. They send it to him and
he takes him up to high attitude towns around the
world and he gives them to places. But that was

(49:36):
really bad. Oh cool, so the up there, you know,
yeh're bad there. They've got really bad ice.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
So yeah, we're going to do a little trip given
out sunglasses as well.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Tied together and then do it with arrival as well
and promote the trip while we launched the trip in
which you know, true to the brain. Yeah, and then
they got some Wi Fi out there.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
We get on a horse.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
We're going to go horse because they got sort of
weird horses look like those colts or something from down
the Snow River, Like they're not like especially bread for
those horse.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
So my mom's family is like my granddad was a
horse trainer and rider and all jockeys and stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
So I've ridden horses he's but you haven't been.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Maybe they don't have saddles girls extent.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah you watched Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've ridden a horse
nude before.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Actually remember remember we did a perfume, lots of perfume
and I had to do that for the ad Rid.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
His horse naked and it was my mom's horse.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
And it was like six o'clock in the morning on
this beach in the middle of the winter, his big
film career, and I'm on the back of her horse
fully nude.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
That was yeah, good, good luck with I'm going to
look forward to this and like I probably outside the
age group.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That sort of qualifies for your audience and relative.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
To get your website. But dude, I'm going to have
a look at the one he's coming in.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I got one question for you. Yeah, if you if
you had someone, if someone has dropped twenty million dollars
into your bank account tomorrow, what would you do to
compound it?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I would buy shares in whatever. The latest form of
Navidia is envy Idea. OK, so there's new, there's there's
other companies who are now copying them. But someone who's
got a bit of a run rate going, and I
would buy shares in those envies.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
You'd put all of it in that all of it. Really,
you wouldn't buy houses or nothing, all in the shares.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
I buy all into those those software companies that and
companies that are powering AI.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, because there's all that.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
AI is going to grow faster than any other asset
class that we've ever known in history. Crazy it already is.
But it's like you use it. He used it, I
use it my production, heam use it.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Even old dudes like me use it. I mean, I'm
addicted to it. I don't use Google anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
It's only just start. It's insane. Usel you exactly what
you want to know right there and there.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
And remember what I asked two weeks get, I want
to say market And given that you're so interested in
this question and you're also into something else, you asked
me three weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Would you like me to put the two together? And
I was like, what the fuck? Google's never done that?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
What what AI company do you use?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, chatch To five's out now, I think too, so
Chatchoo BG five. But I just like co Pilot because
I find it's really good at getting into the details
for the for the applications, or probably the subject matter
that I'm interested in. So I'm interested in science and chemistry,
so I'm mostly asking about chemistry and biology and stuff
like that. So it's good on that, but Chat is

(52:36):
probably better on broader, broader stuff and generally.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Speaking doesn't ask a bet anything else.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
And I get into it like it's I'm addicted to
it literally at night, considering now it's my mate therapy. Hey,
it's crazy, and actually I tell you something that's really
weird just to finish up. But I started asking the
questions about I think called heart rate veriability relative to

(53:04):
a whoop, you know the test? Yeah, I talk about
me too, So I'm looking at HIV on it right
and I'm thinking what is yours?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
So I'm not going to tell.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
You don't mind you a bad as well. I'm in thirties.
I'm dead one hundred and ten today, No, one hundred
and ten, fu average ninety. Check that again he's one
hundred and ten. I'm like, I'm dying. I go one
hundred and fifty six and stuff off.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Are you running and stuff? You must be running as
I've done little rabbit.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Stuff I do. I run. I didn't know he's going
to be a little bit. Yeah, but he's doing. He's
not telling my age drops till like forty three every night. No,
ye are you sitting there at four? That's pretty good,
maybe worse than that. But my running mates, like in
UK and stuff, they are on like they'll have a

(53:56):
four hour shocking night sleep and still have a HIV
one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
He's like a different when you about your wake on
the morning, you got you've got a red circle.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah no, no, I actually won't look at it now.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I'm constantly in the red day. I'm just I'm on
one percent. We had this off in Balley because it
was hit me bluetooth. At the moment we had a
we were in Barley, so we took our whoops off
because we're just joining a bit too much partying. But
my recovery is shocking to date. And my HV is
ninety three. Whoa, that's a bad Is that?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Because sleep?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Is that? My weeks? This week?

Speaker 1 (54:32):
It's pretty consistent other than Thursday. Yeah, yeah, you die
in the y're they're pretty high.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
They're really high. Hvre you journaling on it? Should?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I tried to trick mine.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
I actually put a whole lot of good things in
the journal, like I did this, had them glass water,
had creating and I said I had a sworn, had
a massage, I had fucking blah blah blah, I did
breath work.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I just want to see whether or not to get
me a better h V. I won't say what I
don't want to say as well. Ye, did you the
new for the pot four, the one that lives up?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
No? I don't know that, are you?

Speaker 4 (55:05):
No?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
You've got to get it, You've got No. I get
so fucking hot at night. I used to, but I
don't now.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah that's great, yeah, yeah, but are you?

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Are you looking at the way it's tracking you to, like,
are you comparing the two?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I find I find almost whops more accurate so far.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
The most accurate for me. But so I went into
the copilot.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
I was hammering it and about hr V, and it
was just keep whop h And in the end it
wouldn't tell me how calculated it, because it must be
they must have some sort of understanding, and AI that
there must be some understanding understanding. The AI understands that
you can't disclose proprietary information or something that's protected like

(55:51):
actual I p intellectial property which woop oonnes and and I.
So what I did is I got cranky with it.
So I said, well, if you're not going to tell
me someone and closed me down the yeah, I said that,
I did say that, but it sort of closed me down,
and I thought, okay, now I'm going to get back there.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I'm really sorry. Could I just hope you good?

Speaker 4 (56:13):
And I and then it came out, no worries, Mark,
you know, I understand that these things can happen, and.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
It's been really nice to me.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Again.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, person getting angry at it, like we'll screw you.
I'm not going to use you anymore.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Just try and try something like I'm serious.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Responded to me, and I thought, this thing fucking knows
emotions already.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Please. If I don't say please and thank you, I
get upset?

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Do you say please?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Say please? I do?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Now, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
You're talking machine? Thanks.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
No other day I said things I love you because
it was just giving me all this. Yeah, I was like, thanks,
I love you. I just feel like I need to
say hey, I mean love it. A girlfriend's worried screwed.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Thanks, guys, Well that's what I'm saying. For investing any
of you that feeds that. Yeah, man, because we're all fucked.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah. I don't have twenty million dropping a moment bank
out to my account. Yeah, thanks God, thank you