November 4, 2025 • 29 mins
Lizzie Eastham and Sam Rickard present Studio 1 - Vision Australia Radio’s weekly look at life from a low vision and blind point of view.
On this week’s show
“Taking Care of Business”
Have you ever thought about going out and creating your own business? Lizzie talks to three people who have done exactly that.
Shianne talks about her motivations for becoming a mentor and taking the next steps into attaining an ABN and creating a business. Steven Kemp found getting into paid work not just hard, but demoralising – he therefore started his own massage therapy business.
And taking things closer to home: Steven Eastham, Lizzie’s husband, has created his own lawnmowing business.
Studio 1 welcomes any input from our listeners. If you have any experience or thoughts about issues covered in this episode or believe there is something we should be talking about.
You may also be interested in joining our choir of angels and telling your story.
EMAIL: studio1@visionaustralia.org or leave comment on the station’s Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/VARadioNetwork
A special thank you to Shianne; Steven and Steven.
Useful Links:
Shianne Durdin Vison Impairment Support Coach: https://shiannedurdin.github.io/Vision-Impairment-Support-Coach/
Steven Kemp Massage: https://www.mymassagekneads.com.au/
Steven Eastham’s Lawn Mowing facebook page (Work in Progress): https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61583167510553
This program was made possible with support from the Community Broadcasting Foundation. Find out more at https://cbf.org.au/
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S1 (00:14):
This is Studio One with Sam Rickard and Lizzie Easton
on Vision Australia Radio.
S2 (00:24):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzie and this is Studio One,
your weekly look at life from a low vision and
blind point of view here on Vision Australia Radio this week.
S3 (00:32):
Have you ever thought of going it alone and starting
your own business? I talked to a few friends who
have done exactly that.
S2 (00:39):
As we always say at this point, please do get
in touch with the show. Whether you have experience of
any of the issues that's covered in this episode of
Studio One, or if you think there is something else
we really should be talking about. You never know. Your
story and insight may help somebody else who is dealing
with something similar.
S3 (00:56):
As usual, you can reach us via email at Studio
One Australia. That's studio number one at Vision Australia. Or
of course, you can drop us a note on the
station's Facebook page by going to facebook.com Slash Radio Network.
S4 (01:12):
Work taking care of business.
S3 (01:16):
Well. Hello, Sam. How are we on this dreary week?
S2 (01:21):
Yes, it has been an interesting one. And, uh, as
talking as someone who grew up in a warm environment,
it gets very confusing and annoying to get into work
wearing long sleeves and then have to pretty much strip
down as you're heading home again the following day. So, uh, yeah, it's, uh,
it's this time of the year, and I wish that
(01:41):
the weather would just make up its mind whether it's
going to be warm or cold.
S3 (01:45):
I'm sure you're not the only one. Well, this week
we bring you a topic that I was inspired to
cover because the person that we're first interviewing, Cheyenne, started
her own business as a vision impairment support coach. And
as we'll also find out, she's quite young, still in school. So,
you know, um, very, uh, confident and audacious on her part.
(02:08):
But one of the things that struck me the most. Uh,
in conducting the interviews with the three friends that we'll
hear from today is that two of them touched on
the topic that we spoke on last week's show, which
was the unconscious or implicit bias that people in the
workforce have against us who live with the disability. And
(02:31):
that is one of the main reasons that both of
these people. Stevens, both Stevens, uh, didn't go to work
for other organizations, but rather decided to start it alone.
So very interesting. And if you want to know more
about unconscious or implicit bias, please check out last week's
episode because it's a good one.
S2 (02:52):
Mm. Indeed. We will include the link to that to
that episode also in the podcast description here. If you
are tuning in on podcast, and I will actually say
it often pays even if you are listening via the radio,
sometimes it's handy to go back to the podcast, because
we will usually include extra little bits and pieces in
there that we can't fit into the radio version. Anyway,
(03:12):
we will start out with Cheyenne.
S5 (03:16):
I have started an online business as a support coach
for the vision impaired, and it's sort of like an
all in one thing, really. I'm offering online braille tutoring.
There's also a peer support program. There's basically a bunch
of different programs on my website for people with vision impairments.
S3 (03:36):
And I believe this might have been a surprise to
a lot of people because you're actually still in school,
aren't you?
S5 (03:41):
I am, yes.
S3 (03:42):
What were your motivations for starting this business?
S5 (03:45):
As a kid? I went to a blind school, and
I was very fortunate and very lucky to have had
the resources that I did. And so I guess towards
the end of primary school, I started thinking, well, what
about the kids who live in regional or remote areas
who don't have as much access to resources as I did?
You know, every year we'd have courses and camps and
(04:06):
stuff at the blind school and all these kids would
come out from really remote areas of South Australia and
even Australia. And I sort of thought about there are
so many kids in that position who didn't get, you know,
the resources that I did. So I was like, well,
why don't I just start something to try and help
them out a bit?
S3 (04:23):
What kind of support did you need to get your
business off the ground in those early stages?
S5 (04:28):
Well, for a few years I'd been thinking about doing
Braille tutoring, and I'd contacted a few different organisations, but
spots were sort of limited. So I just thought to myself,
why not just go my own way? I was just
sitting back on the couch and I, you know, I
decided to type into ChatGPT just spur of the moment. Hey,
can you write the code for a website? And it did.
(04:49):
And I was like, okay, so how do I publish this?
It was a very spur of the moment thing, and
it happened very quickly, but we got it working.
S3 (04:56):
Given that you're still quite young and attending school. How
have your parents felt about you starting a business?
S5 (05:03):
They've been very supportive. I think part of that is
because it's online, so they don't have to drive me anywhere.
But yeah, they've definitely both of them really have been
very in my corner and just thought it was a
great idea.
S3 (05:15):
Do you see this business as being connected to what
you're passionate about doing after you finish school, or is
it something completely different from the path that you want
to take in the future?
S5 (05:25):
I want to do some work around accessibility consulting, so
I think this is a really good start for me
to be able to do that. I also think that
the fact that I'm blind would count for quite a lot,
but I plan to do a TAFE course in community
services next year just to sort of get me off
the ground a little bit.
S3 (05:41):
Why is mentoring others something that you're so passionate about?
S5 (05:45):
Even having gone to a blind school, it's something that
I lacked. And I really sort of felt that I
didn't have the mentorship. And, you know, I think that
would have really helped me to feel more confident in myself.
And I think that's what this is going to allow
people to do is to feel more confident in themselves
and to have someone there that they can talk to
(06:06):
who's been through similar things to them.
S3 (06:08):
You speak of not having any mentors with lived experience
in primary school, but was there a teacher or so
perhaps that did help you to come out of your shell?
S5 (06:19):
That's a really good question. I think I'm gonna have
to say the PE teacher at my primary school, Andrew Wilson,
for a very young age as a kid, and I
think this is something that a lot of people in
the VR space can relate to. I put a lot
of pressure on myself, and he was always saying, you know,
you don't need to put this much pressure on yourself.
Just back yourself, trust yourself. And I really just I
(06:41):
really valued that.
S3 (06:43):
You've hit on a really interesting point there. If you
had to guess, why would you say that we put
so much pressure on ourselves?
S5 (06:49):
Yeah, obviously a lot of stereotypes say that we can't
do things for ourselves. And so I think from a
young age we sort of developed this feeling that we
need to tell them that's wrong.
S3 (06:59):
Yeah, I agree with that. Definitely. And I think that's
something that our listeners could potentially relate to. You've played
blind soccer overseas and you've done some track cycling recreationally
as well. How do you think your life experiences will
shape the way that you support others?
S5 (07:16):
I think there are so many young, aspiring athletes with
vision impairments who don't really know where to start because again,
they don't have the resources that they need or they
don't have the connections that they need. And that's where
my job comes in, is to connect them with people
in those sporting realms who can assist them. And also
as a mentor, I can talk to them about what
(07:38):
it's like to compete at all sorts of different levels,
from grassroots to international. So I think that would be
really valuable for them.
S3 (07:45):
Yes. And also, sports isn't just about competing. It's about
moving our bodies and reaping all the benefits from it.
S5 (07:52):
It really it pulled me out of a very dark place,
and I feel like I'll always be grateful for that.
And I just want other people to have that same experience.
S3 (07:59):
We've talked a bit about your experiences and what motivated
you to start the business? I'm curious, do you have
any clients yet or has there been much interest so far?
S5 (08:09):
A few young kids up in Queensland have actually shown interest.
And that's the other thing. This is open to anyone
in the South Pacific region, but I've also been reaching
out to a lot of blind schools in the South
Pacific and a lot of optometrists, organizations and things like that. So.
S3 (08:24):
Well, I wish you the best of luck. That actually
ties perfectly into something you said earlier about how you
had applied to major organizations to work under them. Do
you think that your age or perceived lack of experience
has had anything to do with the fact that they
have been unwilling to take you on board?
S5 (08:43):
Yeah, and I think it's such a misconception because for
my job specifically, I think having someone that these people
can talk to who are close in age to them
is something that is so rare, even though people had
their doubts, which are understandable, I think it's actually a
positive in some ways too. to.
S3 (09:00):
Definitely. And that's why I was so excited to get
you onto the show, because you're a young person that
understands the unique anxieties and challenges that young people face.
How do you intend on keeping up with the changes
that the blind and low vision world goes through regularly?
S5 (09:19):
I think the best thing for me to do is
being visually impaired myself. I have a lot of contacts
in those organizations, and I am also a client of
services like Vision Australia and see differently. So through their
newsletters and through their emails, I can sort of keep
up with their changes as well.
S3 (09:36):
So provided that your business is run online, how do
you provide your service and determine what your clients needs are?
S5 (09:44):
I offer the sessions over zoom, and there is a
registration form on the website which people can fill out,
which is pretty screen reader accessible. The first session I
do with every single client is based on exactly that.
It's based on their needs and based on their goals.
So we talk about that in the first session. And
then we address strategies that we can implement to help
(10:06):
them reach those goals.
S2 (10:11):
All right. So I've got to admit I've been a
fan of Cheyenne's for a little while now. We, uh,
met during a Paralympic come and try day and, uh,
her get up and go attitude was something that really
did impress me, I've got to say. So it's good
to see that she's taking the bull by the horns and, uh,
taking control over things, because I think that's something that's
(10:32):
important for all of us is to have some degree
of control over things.
S3 (10:36):
Yes. And Cheyenne is definitely an inspiration to us all.
And I don't mean that in the patronizing sense that
most people do. But yeah, I love her enthusiasm.
S2 (10:46):
So next up we have Stephen Kemp, who went into
a business that quite a number of us have decided
to do because it's a nice and pliable, um, trade that, uh, yes. Uh,
we have often have quite a natural, uh, ability because, yes,
we do like working with our hands.
S6 (11:07):
I also studied personal training. I didn't really like the
group I was studying with, and so I disregarded that
as far as a career path. But then massage came
up as an opportunity for the RSP, obviously differently. And, um,
pursued it from there as it was something I was
able to do. People weren't going to be biased towards
(11:28):
me about my abilities or inability. And then, yeah, sort
of just progressed from there.
S3 (11:34):
So before.
S5 (11:34):
You.
S3 (11:34):
Started your own business, uh, what kind of training or
preparation did you have to go through?
S6 (11:40):
So specifically for method, I did a diploma in massage
therapy and a certificate in massage. Um, and a short
course that they see differently. RSP ran with a group
of probably about 12 the eyes, which was is really good.
There was a foot into the door and an experience.
(12:01):
All of us who did study in relevant like personal
training and business admin and stuff previously that I wasn't
able to use or didn't really take the opportunity to use.
S3 (12:12):
What inspired you to start your own business rather than
working for somebody else?
S6 (12:17):
Definitely the bias that's out there with interviews and the
rejections and the seemingly endless someone's better concept, and that
was that got me down a bit. And so I
had given up for a while. Um, I just sort
of pursued my own interests and hobbies rather than work.
And then, uh, with the opportunity of massage, it is
(12:39):
it is an industry where you do tend to run
your own business, similar to personal training. And yeah, I
had the capability. I knew it wasn't going to be
overly onerous business to run as such, but I also had, um,
my wife's support at that stage. So I'd met her,
and she also runs her own business. So she was
able to do some of the bookwork and the behind
(12:59):
the scenes things to get things humming along in the background.
So that was good timing there too.
S3 (13:05):
So I noticed there's a big trend of a lot
of vice going into massage business. I mean, you, Sonia moss,
Anthony Clark, just to name a few. Why do you
think it is such a sought after industry for blind
or visually impaired people?
S6 (13:20):
I feel like it's ideal. It has a long history
going back to ancient Asia, where there was something along
the lines of the empress or emperors not being allowed
to be seen naked, so the ideal person to treat
them with a blind person. There's also some modern day
self-image issues, particularly with women not wanting to their bodies seen.
(13:44):
So it's quite ideal for women with self-image issues or
confidence where they can avoid their bodies being seen by
other people. People have the perception that blind people have
improved sensory touch, which we can have a debate about
that whether that's true or not.
S3 (14:00):
As far as going back to your business, how did
you take the first steps towards setting it up?
S6 (14:05):
So probably the qualification was first and then sort of
gradually pursued the idea of work in general and then
sort of went everyone in the industry is self employed
or contracted through a physio or a allied health of
(14:26):
some sort. So, um, you sort of need, need a business.
So I set that up for admin purposes. Uh, and
then sort of just grew from there. I started off
with family and friends and then gradually progressed to advertising
on Google and stuff. Um, and it's growing quite steadily
and slowly, um, with just word of mouth and stuff.
(14:48):
I still don't advertise as such, just just a Google
business profile.
S3 (14:52):
How do your clients usually react when they learn that
you have a vision impairment?
S6 (14:59):
They don't tend to overly react at all, so I
do have it on my website. As far as disclosing
that it's relevant to my interest in massage, there's always
a few that go, oh, sorry, I didn't realize, but
I always take that as a compliment. I always think
the biggest compliment I flying first can get is like, oh,
I didn't, I didn't realize and apologize. And, um, there's
(15:21):
obviously nothing to apologize because that's a positive thing. But
in general, I think, uh, yeah, let's take it in stride. And,
and going back to that bias thing, like most people do,
see it as a good career opportunity for a blind person.
S3 (15:36):
As far as the day to day running, what sort
of adaptive technology do you use to help you with that?
S6 (15:43):
So for the practical side of massage, very little. The
main things I use is all computer based and on
my phone. So magnifiers on the computer and phone and
that's that's about it. A bit of research into which
apps and and software to use as far as accessibility.
And yeah, that's about it. So another reason I like
(16:05):
massage is that I don't have to spend a lot
of time on computers, and it's all very straightforward.
S3 (16:12):
So what type of massage do you actually specialize in.
Because I know there's like all different types.
S6 (16:18):
Broadly speaking remedial. But that covers a wide range. So
deep tissue sports trigger point vaguely into myofascial and lymphatic
drainage which are both quite like. But yeah a wide
range and always wanting to progress my training further to
continue my professional development as well. So I hope to
(16:40):
grow that further as well.
S3 (16:41):
Well, as far as people's bias towards you, and I
know we've touched on it a bit, but do you
think that people see your vision impairment as impacting on
your work ethic or professionalism?
S6 (16:51):
I also work contracted to a chiropractic clinic and I
think starting out there a bit skeptical, but I think
I've proved myself as capable since then and I don't
think so. Besides that, I think that would be about it.
S1 (17:06):
This is Studio One with Lizzy and Sam on Vision
Australia Radio.
S3 (17:12):
Stephen Kemp there once again addressing the implicit biases that
people in the workforce hold against people with disability. Next up,
we are hearing from the Good Egg that is my husband,
Stephen Eastham, and we're going to find out about what
makes him tick as far as wanting to mow lawns.
S7 (17:35):
Back in the day, when I was a teenager, about
1012 years old, before I was a teenager, actually, I
was always trying to do what other people were doing, like,
and my family were a bit hesitant about teaching me
or letting me do other things, because having the vision
impairment and all that, I used to get yelled at
a lot for trying to do what other people were doing,
like riding my bike in the street. But my dad
(17:56):
was really giving me a fair go. He taught me
how to use drills and how to build stuff. So,
you know, I started repairing lawnmowers and stuff. My dad
would would get the old lawnmowers from the local dump.
They used to have a shop there, used to pay
like $5 for a lawnmower with catcher. That's pretty cheap.
And if they just needed a little bit of work
and we fixed them up, and if they needed a
lot of work, then we scrap them for scrap metal.
(18:18):
We'll get about $1,520 per lawnmower for scrap metal.
S3 (18:21):
What kind of training or preparation did you have to
go through?
S7 (18:24):
I'm pretty much self-taught. I did watch a few YouTube
videos because I was uncertain how to use a whipper
snapper properly, and to this day, I still can't do
a straight cut line as much as I would like to,
but the skill grows as you go further into it,
so I'm pretty much self trained. I do all my own,
what do you call it? Maintenance on my mowers to
(18:45):
save money because as I said before, I just I
used to rebuild mowers and stuff like that. Most of
the time I just gave them away to people that
needed them, someone in the family, or we tried to
sell them, not not online, because we didn't have that
sort of thing back then. You know, just try to
sell them to whoever could afford to buy them.
S3 (19:03):
What made you decide to start your own business rather
than working for somebody else?
S7 (19:07):
A few reasons one, I wanted something to accomplish. Life
can be pretty boring when you're when you're vision impaired,
you can't get out there and do the same work
as other people do. It's pretty limited, so having your
own business, your own skill set really counts. And the
second reason is I've seen all these mainstream companies absolutely
(19:28):
rought old people in and take them for a ride
and like, and I'd wanted to do stuff for old people.
So when I started out, I was doing gold coin
donation for people over 60 or 65, whatever, retirees. So, uh,
and other people that can afford it. I charge like
40 or $50 or whatever per lawn. That gradually increased
(19:50):
as time went by. I could do better jobs and
bigger jobs, but basically I wanted to do something, you know,
for the community and not rip everybody off. And I
wanted to, um, a bit of achievement, you know.
S3 (20:04):
How did you take the first steps towards setting it up?
S7 (20:07):
I had a very outgoing support worker who really convinced me,
you know what? You should get back into doing it
because I did retire for a while. So I went
online and he showed me like we did it together.
It took a while and I managed to get an
ABN so I can like, have my own actual business.
And uh, yeah, it just sort of jumped into it.
(20:28):
He said, well, if I can have a business, you
can have a business, you know? So I'm like, well,
why not?
S3 (20:33):
Did you find the website to be, like hard to
use when obtaining your ABN?
S7 (20:38):
It was one of those websites. I'm sorry to say
that if you don't complete the form in a certain
amount of time, it will reset and you'll have to
start all over again. I think the, um, government ones
are like that. So you got like four minutes to
complete a form. Otherwise it will take even though you
can go from page to page to page. I'd say
start page one and go to page five. If you're
(20:59):
halfway through page five and you've gone past that four
minute time frame or whatever. Uh, it will reset on you.
And yes, it was very inaccessible.
S3 (21:08):
How did you go about finding your first client? Did
you rely on word of mouth, social media, or other networks?
S7 (21:16):
When I first started in my teens and 20s, I
used to push a lawnmower up and down the streets,
through all the backstreets and stuff, and if I saw
a lawn, I'd knock on the door and I'd have
the equipment to do it then and there. Which is
probably a silly way of doing it because, uh, you know,
it's a long haul pushing all that stuff and whatnot.
(21:37):
Fast forward to the future. I've gotten, um, my client
through word of mouth, through my support worker. He helps
a lot with, um, disability and disabled people. And, yeah,
I do a lot of work for him. Uh, yeah.
We're still knocking on door to door. And again, word
of mouth. I do need to get some business cards
and some flyers printed out at some stage.
S3 (21:58):
How do your clients usually respond when they learn that
you have a vision impairment?
S7 (22:03):
Well, uh, back in the day, it was because I
never used a cane and they just thought I was
drunk or something like that. I don't know, because I
kept bumping into things. But, uh, when I did notice,
some of them used to ask questions and some of
them laughed, someone would be like, hey, how's a blind
person mow a lawn? I'm like, uh, just as good
(22:24):
as anybody else, but I'm a lot more careful because
I've had a lot, a lot of mishaps over the
years running over certain things like electrical cords that shouldn't
have been tied up in the grass and, um, stuff
like that, and kids toys and whatnot that have been
in like six foot long grass back in the day.
And to this day, I still get a lot of
(22:44):
the hard jobs at the mainstream. Lawnmower companies wouldn't touch
with a bargepole and tell you. Yeah, they sometimes they laugh.
Sometimes I'll get the door slammed in their face. I've
never actually had anybody refuse my services because I'm blind though.
So that was a good one. That's pretty good.
S3 (23:01):
Lawn mowing is a pretty mobile job that requires you
to be able to move from place to place. So
how do you go about doing that.
S7 (23:10):
Apart from like, if I can get like lawns that
are close by around the corner or whatever, I just walk.
The stuff I load up, my lawnmower, what it can carry,
I push that down the path and I carry a
whipper snapper in the other arm, and I can walk
about a kilometre or so doing that. Mind you, it's
pretty tiring on the way back, you see, because you've
been cutting lawns for two hours and then you've got
(23:31):
to walk back with it. Other than that, again, I
rely on my support worker who gets funding to take
me from job to job because in my NDIS plan.
So I can go out further. I can go places like, um,
you know, an hour away or so, you know. Yeah,
I mainly rely on my support worker because a lot
of the jobs are like about half an hour away
(23:53):
these days. So we load up his van and off
we go.
S3 (23:55):
You said earlier that you maintain your own lawn mowers
and equipment. How do you go about, first of all,
finding the problem and then fixing it?
S7 (24:04):
Because I have a huge knowledge of lawn mowers from
from an early age. I've stripped them from the ground
up and rebuilt them. So whatever the problem is, I
know what it is straight away. If if the mower
makes a roaring noise and wants to slow down and
start up and slow down, it's an ER problem. If
it keeps dying and not wanting to run, you have
to keep pulling it to get it to run. There's
(24:25):
a fuel problem. If it sputters and stops all the
time then it's an electrical problem. So I know all
the faults that can go wrong with lawnmower. With mine,
I keep the oil topped up. If you can't put
too much oil in them because if they do, they
start to smoke. Which I found out the hard way
because the oil goes onto the exhaust. I just don't
(24:46):
know what to do. The only thing I can't do
is replace the blades, because I don't have the right
equipment to do that, so I take that in every
couple of years. A whipper snapper, I do that all myself.
Anything else? It's fine. I just I know what to do. And, uh,
I've learned how to do it very quickly.
S3 (25:04):
In your opinion, what is the best thing about owning
your own business?
S7 (25:09):
This is a very lump in the throat type of question,
and I'll tell you why. After sitting on my backside
for the last 20 years. That's all I say, because
I haven't been able to work or get work because
I've been retired. And that. And after the first paycheck
and this is again a lump in the throat type question.
I was proud and in punch. I didn't want to
(25:30):
spend that money. Uh, the first paycheck I got, I
think was $50. I'm not sure. And it was. And
it could have. It might as well have been $1
million to me, because it was a very teary moment,
because I thought I'd never be either work again. I
didn't have the confidence in myself. I thought my fitness
was too buggered for that. But I, uh. Yeah, the
(25:54):
first job I did. Yeah, a hard one. Of course,
the first job coming back, Lorne was up to my knees.
It was a big job, and it was one of
those ones that you have to keep going back to.
But I knocked the living heck out of it and
come back an hour and a half later, completely buggered,
covered in sweat and flies and everything else, and had
me $50 or whatever it was. And yeah, I was,
(26:17):
I was buggered and I was very emotional and a
bit of pride, if I don't mind saying, you know,
that there's a sense of accomplishment and it it feels
good to be able to achieve your goals and stuff
like that. And having my own business, it really opened
my eyes to what I can achieve and the sky's
the limit. Really. Just people put limits on themselves all
(26:39):
the time. You don't need to do that rubbish. Just
keep pushing and going ahead.
S3 (26:43):
If there are any blind or visually impaired people listening
right now who are thinking about starting their own business
but are perhaps too hesitant for whatever reason, what advice
would you give them?
S7 (26:55):
Don't overcommit financially, so don't go buying all the biggest equipment.
Or if you need like huge amounts of funding, don't
go getting loans and stuff. Start small. Think what you can,
but believe in yourself. You got to keep pushing because
you've got nothing to lose, is what I'm trying to say.
(27:16):
So yeah, go for it. Start your own business, but
start small. Don't overcommit. Don't work yourself into the ground
for the first week. Okay, I know it's you. You're
going to feel very excited. And over. Over. What do
you call it? Enthusiastic. I mean, thank you, but, uh. Yeah.
Just paint yourself and. Yeah, do the best job that
(27:37):
you can do. And don't worry about what people think.
Just do the best you can do. And with me, my,
my first attempt wasn't that great, but I kept going.
And I get better and better every time I do it.
So if you find that when you jump into this
new life or new opportunities with a business, that you
(27:58):
feel a bit unsure about yourself because you're not achieving
the goals that you wanted or you're not getting, as
in not doing as great as what you first thought.
Just keep going because we will get better.
S2 (28:10):
Okay, that is a wrap for this week. A big
thank you to Cheyenne, Stephen and Stephen.
S3 (28:17):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
That includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network. You
can download a podcast of this program, plus some extra
content by going to Apple, Spotify, Google, or your favorite
podcast platform.
S2 (28:32):
Next week we follow up on our previous show about scams.
Shane Allen works in fraud prevention. He's legally blind and
he will share some of his knowledge on how to
not get caught out by scammers or fraudsters.
S3 (28:44):
But between now and then, please do get in touch
with the show if you have experience of any of
the issues covered on this week's episode of Studio One,
or if you think there's something we should be talking about.
You never know. Your story and insight may help someone
who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (28:59):
You can reach us via email Studio one at Vision Australia. Org.
That's studio number one at Vision Australia.
S3 (29:05):
Org or of course you can find us on Facebook
or Instagram by searching for VA Radio Network. We want
to hear from you.
S2 (29:13):
Bye for now.
S1 (29:14):
Studio one was produced in the Adelaide studios of Vision
Australia Radio. This show was made possible with the help
of the Community Broadcasting Foundation. Find out more at cbsnews.com.
This is Studio One with Sam Rickard and Lizzie Easton
on Vision Australia Radio.
S2 (00:24):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzie and this is Studio One,
your weekly look at life from a low vision and
blind point of view here on Vision Australia Radio this week.
S3 (00:32):
Have you ever thought of going it alone and starting
your own business? I talked to a few friends who
have done exactly that.
S2 (00:39):
As we always say at this point, please do get
in touch with the show. Whether you have experience of
any of the issues that's covered in this episode of
Studio One, or if you think there is something else
we really should be talking about. You never know. Your
story and insight may help somebody else who is dealing
with something similar.
S3 (00:56):
As usual, you can reach us via email at Studio
One Australia. That's studio number one at Vision Australia. Or
of course, you can drop us a note on the
station's Facebook page by going to facebook.com Slash Radio Network.
S4 (01:12):
Work taking care of business.
S3 (01:16):
Well. Hello, Sam. How are we on this dreary week?
S2 (01:21):
Yes, it has been an interesting one. And, uh, as
talking as someone who grew up in a warm environment,
it gets very confusing and annoying to get into work
wearing long sleeves and then have to pretty much strip
down as you're heading home again the following day. So, uh, yeah, it's, uh,
it's this time of the year, and I wish that
(01:41):
the weather would just make up its mind whether it's
going to be warm or cold.
S3 (01:45):
I'm sure you're not the only one. Well, this week
we bring you a topic that I was inspired to
cover because the person that we're first interviewing, Cheyenne, started
her own business as a vision impairment support coach. And
as we'll also find out, she's quite young, still in school. So,
you know, um, very, uh, confident and audacious on her part.
(02:08):
But one of the things that struck me the most. Uh,
in conducting the interviews with the three friends that we'll
hear from today is that two of them touched on
the topic that we spoke on last week's show, which
was the unconscious or implicit bias that people in the
workforce have against us who live with the disability. And
(02:31):
that is one of the main reasons that both of
these people. Stevens, both Stevens, uh, didn't go to work
for other organizations, but rather decided to start it alone.
So very interesting. And if you want to know more
about unconscious or implicit bias, please check out last week's
episode because it's a good one.
S2 (02:52):
Mm. Indeed. We will include the link to that to
that episode also in the podcast description here. If you
are tuning in on podcast, and I will actually say
it often pays even if you are listening via the radio,
sometimes it's handy to go back to the podcast, because
we will usually include extra little bits and pieces in
there that we can't fit into the radio version. Anyway,
(03:12):
we will start out with Cheyenne.
S5 (03:16):
I have started an online business as a support coach
for the vision impaired, and it's sort of like an
all in one thing, really. I'm offering online braille tutoring.
There's also a peer support program. There's basically a bunch
of different programs on my website for people with vision impairments.
S3 (03:36):
And I believe this might have been a surprise to
a lot of people because you're actually still in school,
aren't you?
S5 (03:41):
I am, yes.
S3 (03:42):
What were your motivations for starting this business?
S5 (03:45):
As a kid? I went to a blind school, and
I was very fortunate and very lucky to have had
the resources that I did. And so I guess towards
the end of primary school, I started thinking, well, what
about the kids who live in regional or remote areas
who don't have as much access to resources as I did?
You know, every year we'd have courses and camps and
(04:06):
stuff at the blind school and all these kids would
come out from really remote areas of South Australia and
even Australia. And I sort of thought about there are
so many kids in that position who didn't get, you know,
the resources that I did. So I was like, well,
why don't I just start something to try and help
them out a bit?
S3 (04:23):
What kind of support did you need to get your
business off the ground in those early stages?
S5 (04:28):
Well, for a few years I'd been thinking about doing
Braille tutoring, and I'd contacted a few different organisations, but
spots were sort of limited. So I just thought to myself,
why not just go my own way? I was just
sitting back on the couch and I, you know, I
decided to type into ChatGPT just spur of the moment. Hey,
can you write the code for a website? And it did.
(04:49):
And I was like, okay, so how do I publish this?
It was a very spur of the moment thing, and
it happened very quickly, but we got it working.
S3 (04:56):
Given that you're still quite young and attending school. How
have your parents felt about you starting a business?
S5 (05:03):
They've been very supportive. I think part of that is
because it's online, so they don't have to drive me anywhere.
But yeah, they've definitely both of them really have been
very in my corner and just thought it was a
great idea.
S3 (05:15):
Do you see this business as being connected to what
you're passionate about doing after you finish school, or is
it something completely different from the path that you want
to take in the future?
S5 (05:25):
I want to do some work around accessibility consulting, so
I think this is a really good start for me
to be able to do that. I also think that
the fact that I'm blind would count for quite a lot,
but I plan to do a TAFE course in community
services next year just to sort of get me off
the ground a little bit.
S3 (05:41):
Why is mentoring others something that you're so passionate about?
S5 (05:45):
Even having gone to a blind school, it's something that
I lacked. And I really sort of felt that I
didn't have the mentorship. And, you know, I think that
would have really helped me to feel more confident in myself.
And I think that's what this is going to allow
people to do is to feel more confident in themselves
and to have someone there that they can talk to
(06:06):
who's been through similar things to them.
S3 (06:08):
You speak of not having any mentors with lived experience
in primary school, but was there a teacher or so
perhaps that did help you to come out of your shell?
S5 (06:19):
That's a really good question. I think I'm gonna have
to say the PE teacher at my primary school, Andrew Wilson,
for a very young age as a kid, and I
think this is something that a lot of people in
the VR space can relate to. I put a lot
of pressure on myself, and he was always saying, you know,
you don't need to put this much pressure on yourself.
Just back yourself, trust yourself. And I really just I
(06:41):
really valued that.
S3 (06:43):
You've hit on a really interesting point there. If you
had to guess, why would you say that we put
so much pressure on ourselves?
S5 (06:49):
Yeah, obviously a lot of stereotypes say that we can't
do things for ourselves. And so I think from a
young age we sort of developed this feeling that we
need to tell them that's wrong.
S3 (06:59):
Yeah, I agree with that. Definitely. And I think that's
something that our listeners could potentially relate to. You've played
blind soccer overseas and you've done some track cycling recreationally
as well. How do you think your life experiences will
shape the way that you support others?
S5 (07:16):
I think there are so many young, aspiring athletes with
vision impairments who don't really know where to start because again,
they don't have the resources that they need or they
don't have the connections that they need. And that's where
my job comes in, is to connect them with people
in those sporting realms who can assist them. And also
as a mentor, I can talk to them about what
(07:38):
it's like to compete at all sorts of different levels,
from grassroots to international. So I think that would be
really valuable for them.
S3 (07:45):
Yes. And also, sports isn't just about competing. It's about
moving our bodies and reaping all the benefits from it.
S5 (07:52):
It really it pulled me out of a very dark place,
and I feel like I'll always be grateful for that.
And I just want other people to have that same experience.
S3 (07:59):
We've talked a bit about your experiences and what motivated
you to start the business? I'm curious, do you have
any clients yet or has there been much interest so far?
S5 (08:09):
A few young kids up in Queensland have actually shown interest.
And that's the other thing. This is open to anyone
in the South Pacific region, but I've also been reaching
out to a lot of blind schools in the South
Pacific and a lot of optometrists, organizations and things like that. So.
S3 (08:24):
Well, I wish you the best of luck. That actually
ties perfectly into something you said earlier about how you
had applied to major organizations to work under them. Do
you think that your age or perceived lack of experience
has had anything to do with the fact that they
have been unwilling to take you on board?
S5 (08:43):
Yeah, and I think it's such a misconception because for
my job specifically, I think having someone that these people
can talk to who are close in age to them
is something that is so rare, even though people had
their doubts, which are understandable, I think it's actually a
positive in some ways too. to.
S3 (09:00):
Definitely. And that's why I was so excited to get
you onto the show, because you're a young person that
understands the unique anxieties and challenges that young people face.
How do you intend on keeping up with the changes
that the blind and low vision world goes through regularly?
S5 (09:19):
I think the best thing for me to do is
being visually impaired myself. I have a lot of contacts
in those organizations, and I am also a client of
services like Vision Australia and see differently. So through their
newsletters and through their emails, I can sort of keep
up with their changes as well.
S3 (09:36):
So provided that your business is run online, how do
you provide your service and determine what your clients needs are?
S5 (09:44):
I offer the sessions over zoom, and there is a
registration form on the website which people can fill out,
which is pretty screen reader accessible. The first session I
do with every single client is based on exactly that.
It's based on their needs and based on their goals.
So we talk about that in the first session. And
then we address strategies that we can implement to help
(10:06):
them reach those goals.
S2 (10:11):
All right. So I've got to admit I've been a
fan of Cheyenne's for a little while now. We, uh,
met during a Paralympic come and try day and, uh,
her get up and go attitude was something that really
did impress me, I've got to say. So it's good
to see that she's taking the bull by the horns and, uh,
taking control over things, because I think that's something that's
(10:32):
important for all of us is to have some degree
of control over things.
S3 (10:36):
Yes. And Cheyenne is definitely an inspiration to us all.
And I don't mean that in the patronizing sense that
most people do. But yeah, I love her enthusiasm.
S2 (10:46):
So next up we have Stephen Kemp, who went into
a business that quite a number of us have decided
to do because it's a nice and pliable, um, trade that, uh, yes. Uh,
we have often have quite a natural, uh, ability because, yes,
we do like working with our hands.
S6 (11:07):
I also studied personal training. I didn't really like the
group I was studying with, and so I disregarded that
as far as a career path. But then massage came
up as an opportunity for the RSP, obviously differently. And, um,
pursued it from there as it was something I was
able to do. People weren't going to be biased towards
(11:28):
me about my abilities or inability. And then, yeah, sort
of just progressed from there.
S3 (11:34):
So before.
S5 (11:34):
You.
S3 (11:34):
Started your own business, uh, what kind of training or
preparation did you have to go through?
S6 (11:40):
So specifically for method, I did a diploma in massage
therapy and a certificate in massage. Um, and a short
course that they see differently. RSP ran with a group
of probably about 12 the eyes, which was is really good.
There was a foot into the door and an experience.
(12:01):
All of us who did study in relevant like personal
training and business admin and stuff previously that I wasn't
able to use or didn't really take the opportunity to use.
S3 (12:12):
What inspired you to start your own business rather than
working for somebody else?
S6 (12:17):
Definitely the bias that's out there with interviews and the
rejections and the seemingly endless someone's better concept, and that
was that got me down a bit. And so I
had given up for a while. Um, I just sort
of pursued my own interests and hobbies rather than work.
And then, uh, with the opportunity of massage, it is
(12:39):
it is an industry where you do tend to run
your own business, similar to personal training. And yeah, I
had the capability. I knew it wasn't going to be
overly onerous business to run as such, but I also had, um,
my wife's support at that stage. So I'd met her,
and she also runs her own business. So she was
able to do some of the bookwork and the behind
(12:59):
the scenes things to get things humming along in the background.
So that was good timing there too.
S3 (13:05):
So I noticed there's a big trend of a lot
of vice going into massage business. I mean, you, Sonia moss,
Anthony Clark, just to name a few. Why do you
think it is such a sought after industry for blind
or visually impaired people?
S6 (13:20):
I feel like it's ideal. It has a long history
going back to ancient Asia, where there was something along
the lines of the empress or emperors not being allowed
to be seen naked, so the ideal person to treat
them with a blind person. There's also some modern day
self-image issues, particularly with women not wanting to their bodies seen.
(13:44):
So it's quite ideal for women with self-image issues or
confidence where they can avoid their bodies being seen by
other people. People have the perception that blind people have
improved sensory touch, which we can have a debate about
that whether that's true or not.
S3 (14:00):
As far as going back to your business, how did
you take the first steps towards setting it up?
S6 (14:05):
So probably the qualification was first and then sort of
gradually pursued the idea of work in general and then
sort of went everyone in the industry is self employed
or contracted through a physio or a allied health of
(14:26):
some sort. So, um, you sort of need, need a business.
So I set that up for admin purposes. Uh, and
then sort of just grew from there. I started off
with family and friends and then gradually progressed to advertising
on Google and stuff. Um, and it's growing quite steadily
and slowly, um, with just word of mouth and stuff.
(14:48):
I still don't advertise as such, just just a Google
business profile.
S3 (14:52):
How do your clients usually react when they learn that
you have a vision impairment?
S6 (14:59):
They don't tend to overly react at all, so I
do have it on my website. As far as disclosing
that it's relevant to my interest in massage, there's always
a few that go, oh, sorry, I didn't realize, but
I always take that as a compliment. I always think
the biggest compliment I flying first can get is like, oh,
I didn't, I didn't realize and apologize. And, um, there's
(15:21):
obviously nothing to apologize because that's a positive thing. But
in general, I think, uh, yeah, let's take it in stride. And,
and going back to that bias thing, like most people do,
see it as a good career opportunity for a blind person.
S3 (15:36):
As far as the day to day running, what sort
of adaptive technology do you use to help you with that?
S6 (15:43):
So for the practical side of massage, very little. The
main things I use is all computer based and on
my phone. So magnifiers on the computer and phone and
that's that's about it. A bit of research into which
apps and and software to use as far as accessibility.
And yeah, that's about it. So another reason I like
(16:05):
massage is that I don't have to spend a lot
of time on computers, and it's all very straightforward.
S3 (16:12):
So what type of massage do you actually specialize in.
Because I know there's like all different types.
S6 (16:18):
Broadly speaking remedial. But that covers a wide range. So
deep tissue sports trigger point vaguely into myofascial and lymphatic
drainage which are both quite like. But yeah a wide
range and always wanting to progress my training further to
continue my professional development as well. So I hope to
(16:40):
grow that further as well.
S3 (16:41):
Well, as far as people's bias towards you, and I
know we've touched on it a bit, but do you
think that people see your vision impairment as impacting on
your work ethic or professionalism?
S6 (16:51):
I also work contracted to a chiropractic clinic and I
think starting out there a bit skeptical, but I think
I've proved myself as capable since then and I don't
think so. Besides that, I think that would be about it.
S1 (17:06):
This is Studio One with Lizzy and Sam on Vision
Australia Radio.
S3 (17:12):
Stephen Kemp there once again addressing the implicit biases that
people in the workforce hold against people with disability. Next up,
we are hearing from the Good Egg that is my husband,
Stephen Eastham, and we're going to find out about what
makes him tick as far as wanting to mow lawns.
S7 (17:35):
Back in the day, when I was a teenager, about
1012 years old, before I was a teenager, actually, I
was always trying to do what other people were doing, like,
and my family were a bit hesitant about teaching me
or letting me do other things, because having the vision
impairment and all that, I used to get yelled at
a lot for trying to do what other people were doing,
like riding my bike in the street. But my dad
(17:56):
was really giving me a fair go. He taught me
how to use drills and how to build stuff. So,
you know, I started repairing lawnmowers and stuff. My dad
would would get the old lawnmowers from the local dump.
They used to have a shop there, used to pay
like $5 for a lawnmower with catcher. That's pretty cheap.
And if they just needed a little bit of work
and we fixed them up, and if they needed a
lot of work, then we scrap them for scrap metal.
(18:18):
We'll get about $1,520 per lawnmower for scrap metal.
S3 (18:21):
What kind of training or preparation did you have to
go through?
S7 (18:24):
I'm pretty much self-taught. I did watch a few YouTube
videos because I was uncertain how to use a whipper
snapper properly, and to this day, I still can't do
a straight cut line as much as I would like to,
but the skill grows as you go further into it,
so I'm pretty much self trained. I do all my own,
what do you call it? Maintenance on my mowers to
(18:45):
save money because as I said before, I just I
used to rebuild mowers and stuff like that. Most of
the time I just gave them away to people that
needed them, someone in the family, or we tried to
sell them, not not online, because we didn't have that
sort of thing back then. You know, just try to
sell them to whoever could afford to buy them.
S3 (19:03):
What made you decide to start your own business rather
than working for somebody else?
S7 (19:07):
A few reasons one, I wanted something to accomplish. Life
can be pretty boring when you're when you're vision impaired,
you can't get out there and do the same work
as other people do. It's pretty limited, so having your
own business, your own skill set really counts. And the
second reason is I've seen all these mainstream companies absolutely
(19:28):
rought old people in and take them for a ride
and like, and I'd wanted to do stuff for old people.
So when I started out, I was doing gold coin
donation for people over 60 or 65, whatever, retirees. So, uh,
and other people that can afford it. I charge like
40 or $50 or whatever per lawn. That gradually increased
(19:50):
as time went by. I could do better jobs and
bigger jobs, but basically I wanted to do something, you know,
for the community and not rip everybody off. And I
wanted to, um, a bit of achievement, you know.
S3 (20:04):
How did you take the first steps towards setting it up?
S7 (20:07):
I had a very outgoing support worker who really convinced me,
you know what? You should get back into doing it
because I did retire for a while. So I went
online and he showed me like we did it together.
It took a while and I managed to get an
ABN so I can like, have my own actual business.
And uh, yeah, it just sort of jumped into it.
(20:28):
He said, well, if I can have a business, you
can have a business, you know? So I'm like, well,
why not?
S3 (20:33):
Did you find the website to be, like hard to
use when obtaining your ABN?
S7 (20:38):
It was one of those websites. I'm sorry to say
that if you don't complete the form in a certain
amount of time, it will reset and you'll have to
start all over again. I think the, um, government ones
are like that. So you got like four minutes to
complete a form. Otherwise it will take even though you
can go from page to page to page. I'd say
start page one and go to page five. If you're
(20:59):
halfway through page five and you've gone past that four
minute time frame or whatever. Uh, it will reset on you.
And yes, it was very inaccessible.
S3 (21:08):
How did you go about finding your first client? Did
you rely on word of mouth, social media, or other networks?
S7 (21:16):
When I first started in my teens and 20s, I
used to push a lawnmower up and down the streets,
through all the backstreets and stuff, and if I saw
a lawn, I'd knock on the door and I'd have
the equipment to do it then and there. Which is
probably a silly way of doing it because, uh, you know,
it's a long haul pushing all that stuff and whatnot.
(21:37):
Fast forward to the future. I've gotten, um, my client
through word of mouth, through my support worker. He helps
a lot with, um, disability and disabled people. And, yeah,
I do a lot of work for him. Uh, yeah.
We're still knocking on door to door. And again, word
of mouth. I do need to get some business cards
and some flyers printed out at some stage.
S3 (21:58):
How do your clients usually respond when they learn that
you have a vision impairment?
S7 (22:03):
Well, uh, back in the day, it was because I
never used a cane and they just thought I was
drunk or something like that. I don't know, because I
kept bumping into things. But, uh, when I did notice,
some of them used to ask questions and some of
them laughed, someone would be like, hey, how's a blind
person mow a lawn? I'm like, uh, just as good
(22:24):
as anybody else, but I'm a lot more careful because
I've had a lot, a lot of mishaps over the
years running over certain things like electrical cords that shouldn't
have been tied up in the grass and, um, stuff
like that, and kids toys and whatnot that have been
in like six foot long grass back in the day.
And to this day, I still get a lot of
(22:44):
the hard jobs at the mainstream. Lawnmower companies wouldn't touch
with a bargepole and tell you. Yeah, they sometimes they laugh.
Sometimes I'll get the door slammed in their face. I've
never actually had anybody refuse my services because I'm blind though.
So that was a good one. That's pretty good.
S3 (23:01):
Lawn mowing is a pretty mobile job that requires you
to be able to move from place to place. So
how do you go about doing that.
S7 (23:10):
Apart from like, if I can get like lawns that
are close by around the corner or whatever, I just walk.
The stuff I load up, my lawnmower, what it can carry,
I push that down the path and I carry a
whipper snapper in the other arm, and I can walk
about a kilometre or so doing that. Mind you, it's
pretty tiring on the way back, you see, because you've
been cutting lawns for two hours and then you've got
(23:31):
to walk back with it. Other than that, again, I
rely on my support worker who gets funding to take
me from job to job because in my NDIS plan.
So I can go out further. I can go places like, um,
you know, an hour away or so, you know. Yeah,
I mainly rely on my support worker because a lot
of the jobs are like about half an hour away
(23:53):
these days. So we load up his van and off
we go.
S3 (23:55):
You said earlier that you maintain your own lawn mowers
and equipment. How do you go about, first of all,
finding the problem and then fixing it?
S7 (24:04):
Because I have a huge knowledge of lawn mowers from
from an early age. I've stripped them from the ground
up and rebuilt them. So whatever the problem is, I
know what it is straight away. If if the mower
makes a roaring noise and wants to slow down and
start up and slow down, it's an ER problem. If
it keeps dying and not wanting to run, you have
to keep pulling it to get it to run. There's
(24:25):
a fuel problem. If it sputters and stops all the
time then it's an electrical problem. So I know all
the faults that can go wrong with lawnmower. With mine,
I keep the oil topped up. If you can't put
too much oil in them because if they do, they
start to smoke. Which I found out the hard way
because the oil goes onto the exhaust. I just don't
(24:46):
know what to do. The only thing I can't do
is replace the blades, because I don't have the right
equipment to do that, so I take that in every
couple of years. A whipper snapper, I do that all myself.
Anything else? It's fine. I just I know what to do. And, uh,
I've learned how to do it very quickly.
S3 (25:04):
In your opinion, what is the best thing about owning
your own business?
S7 (25:09):
This is a very lump in the throat type of question,
and I'll tell you why. After sitting on my backside
for the last 20 years. That's all I say, because
I haven't been able to work or get work because
I've been retired. And that. And after the first paycheck
and this is again a lump in the throat type question.
I was proud and in punch. I didn't want to
(25:30):
spend that money. Uh, the first paycheck I got, I
think was $50. I'm not sure. And it was. And
it could have. It might as well have been $1
million to me, because it was a very teary moment,
because I thought I'd never be either work again. I
didn't have the confidence in myself. I thought my fitness
was too buggered for that. But I, uh. Yeah, the
(25:54):
first job I did. Yeah, a hard one. Of course,
the first job coming back, Lorne was up to my knees.
It was a big job, and it was one of
those ones that you have to keep going back to.
But I knocked the living heck out of it and
come back an hour and a half later, completely buggered,
covered in sweat and flies and everything else, and had
me $50 or whatever it was. And yeah, I was,
(26:17):
I was buggered and I was very emotional and a
bit of pride, if I don't mind saying, you know,
that there's a sense of accomplishment and it it feels
good to be able to achieve your goals and stuff
like that. And having my own business, it really opened
my eyes to what I can achieve and the sky's
the limit. Really. Just people put limits on themselves all
(26:39):
the time. You don't need to do that rubbish. Just
keep pushing and going ahead.
S3 (26:43):
If there are any blind or visually impaired people listening
right now who are thinking about starting their own business
but are perhaps too hesitant for whatever reason, what advice
would you give them?
S7 (26:55):
Don't overcommit financially, so don't go buying all the biggest equipment.
Or if you need like huge amounts of funding, don't
go getting loans and stuff. Start small. Think what you can,
but believe in yourself. You got to keep pushing because
you've got nothing to lose, is what I'm trying to say.
(27:16):
So yeah, go for it. Start your own business, but
start small. Don't overcommit. Don't work yourself into the ground
for the first week. Okay, I know it's you. You're
going to feel very excited. And over. Over. What do
you call it? Enthusiastic. I mean, thank you, but, uh. Yeah.
Just paint yourself and. Yeah, do the best job that
(27:37):
you can do. And don't worry about what people think.
Just do the best you can do. And with me, my,
my first attempt wasn't that great, but I kept going.
And I get better and better every time I do it.
So if you find that when you jump into this
new life or new opportunities with a business, that you
(27:58):
feel a bit unsure about yourself because you're not achieving
the goals that you wanted or you're not getting, as
in not doing as great as what you first thought.
Just keep going because we will get better.
S2 (28:10):
Okay, that is a wrap for this week. A big
thank you to Cheyenne, Stephen and Stephen.
S3 (28:17):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
That includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network. You
can download a podcast of this program, plus some extra
content by going to Apple, Spotify, Google, or your favorite
podcast platform.
S2 (28:32):
Next week we follow up on our previous show about scams.
Shane Allen works in fraud prevention. He's legally blind and
he will share some of his knowledge on how to
not get caught out by scammers or fraudsters.
S3 (28:44):
But between now and then, please do get in touch
with the show if you have experience of any of
the issues covered on this week's episode of Studio One,
or if you think there's something we should be talking about.
You never know. Your story and insight may help someone
who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (28:59):
You can reach us via email Studio one at Vision Australia. Org.
That's studio number one at Vision Australia.
S3 (29:05):
Org or of course you can find us on Facebook
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to hear from you.
S2 (29:13):
Bye for now.
S1 (29:14):
Studio one was produced in the Adelaide studios of Vision
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of the Community Broadcasting Foundation. Find out more at cbsnews.com.
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