May 21, 2025 • 28 mins
Lizzie Eastham and Sam Rickard present Studio 1 - Vision Australia Radio’s weekly look at life from a low vision and blind point of view.
On this week’s show
"Volunteer Radio"
For volunteer week, we catch up with Simon and Abby from Vision Australia Radio’s “In Plain Sight” and Shaun Oliver talks about volunteering on live radio.
Studio 1 welcomes any input from our listeners. If you have any experience or thoughts about issues covered in this episode or believe there is something we should be talking about.
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Thank you to Shaun; Abbey and Simon.
You can find Simon and Abbey "In Plain Sight" here: https://omny.fm/shows/in-plain-sight/playlists/podcast
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S1 (00:06):
This is studio one on Vision Australia Radio.
S2 (00:16):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzie, and this is Studio One,
your weekly look at life from a low vision and
blind point of view. Here on Vision Australia Radio this week.
S3 (00:24):
Have you ever wanted to be on radio.
S2 (00:26):
For Volunteer Week? We catch up with Simon and Abby
from Vision Australia, Radios in Plain Sight and Sean Oliver
talks about volunteering on live radio, no less. That's a
scary idea indeed.
S3 (00:38):
As we always say at this point, please do get
in touch with the show. Whether you have experience of
any of the issues covered on this week's episode of
Studio One, or if you think there's something we should
be talking about. You never know. Your story and insight
may help someone who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (00:53):
You can contact us via email. Studio one, Vision Australia, org.
That's studio number one at Vision Australia.
S3 (00:58):
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Radio Network.
S2 (01:10):
Hello, Lizzie. You seem to have dragged in something from outside.
What have we got?
S3 (01:15):
I'm really.
S4 (01:15):
Sorry about.
S3 (01:18):
I'm sorry. Sam. Uh, I have. We have an extra
guest in the studio today, Mr. Sean Oliver, come on down.
S5 (01:25):
Hello? Oh. What? The price is right. No, that's the
wrong show.
S3 (01:29):
Yes.
S2 (01:30):
All right, so, um, welcome aboard our merry little ship. Um.
Studio one.
S5 (01:37):
Studio one.
S2 (01:38):
It's. It's been a ship. It's been a ship of fools, mainly.
S3 (01:42):
But Lisa hasn't started sinking yet.
S2 (01:44):
Well, give it time.
S5 (01:45):
That would be a titanic effort, wouldn't it?
S2 (01:48):
So this this week, we are talking about what it's
like to volunteer. And indeed, well, it's volunteer week. So
this is so we thought we'd bring in someone that
actually does do a fair bit of volunteer. You don't
you don't just volunteer for your radio work. There is
a few other bits and pieces of stuff that you do.
S5 (02:05):
Uh, there was there was stuff that I used to do.
I used to volunteer for Beyond Blindness back in the day.
S2 (02:11):
What? What is beyond blindness?
S5 (02:13):
That is a blindness organization up in the north east
of Adelaide, of Adelaide, of Adelaide. For those who aren't
in Adelaide, who catered to the social needs, I guess,
of blind and low vision people in that area.
S3 (02:33):
Now you were kind of a jack of all trades
when it came to volunteering there, because I can't think
of anything that you didn't do except for gardening and.
S5 (02:41):
No, I didn't do that as I could, but I
didn't do those. Um, I suspect that there might have
been a couple of other things I would have needed
to do to be able to, uh, to do the
kitchen work, like food handling and things like that.
S2 (02:55):
Oh, we can get you a forklift driver's license.
S3 (02:59):
I can perhaps convince my dad into trying to help
you get a heavy, rigid or something.
S5 (03:03):
To some of the people we had to feed. defeat.
I guess you would have needed a forklift, but, um.
S3 (03:08):
Hey.
S5 (03:09):
Wow.
S3 (03:09):
So what did you do then?
S5 (03:10):
They were. They were healthy eaters. I mean, like me,
for instance?
S3 (03:16):
Yes.
S2 (03:18):
So you were such a small lad when I first
met you as well.
S3 (03:21):
What happened?
S5 (03:21):
I was. I was much fitter back then. Now I'm fatter.
S2 (03:29):
Dear, dear listener, I have known Sean since, uh, I
think it's about 1988, when you came up to Darwin
for the Pan Pacific Games.
S5 (03:36):
Correct?
S2 (03:37):
So, yes, a wee small lad back then, but, uh, yes, he's, uh,
he's he's enjoyed life since then.
S5 (03:42):
Uh, quite, uh, know some of the things I used
to do was I would help out with the music group,
you know, uh, making sure that, uh, instruments were properly
set up and, uh, and things like that.
S3 (03:56):
You also did Tech Corner.
S5 (03:57):
I did, I did tech Corner, Lizzie. And I did
that for a while. And then Lizzie had life get
in the way, and I did try to keep doing it,
but it it sort of petered out because nobody else
kind of wanted to, to be there. It just, you know,
it's like that sort of natural attrition that, uh, that
happens when other things come up and, you know, even
(04:19):
even though we're blind, we still get the attack of
the shiny.
S3 (04:22):
That's true. Also, I remember that you did a bit
of voiceover work for them too, didn't you?
S5 (04:26):
I did, and a lot of the time I was
in the then Marnie Pierce lounge, you know, trying to
braille up their, um, their newsletter, uh, which didn't quite
work out as we'd hoped because a lot of time
was spent setting up the Embosser. And Duxbury is an
interesting piece of software. That's not to say it's bad,
(04:48):
it's just an interesting piece of software, and if you've
rarely worked with it before, then it can prove quite, uh,
quite daunting because you, you would, uh, take a word document,
import it into Duxbury and hope the goodness, it got
all the translations correct?
S2 (05:06):
What possessed you to do so much unpaid work for
for this organization?
S5 (05:10):
Not well, not to put too fine a point on it.
I was bored, and that's why a lot of volunteers
do anything. Because they're bored sitting at home doing nothing.
They've got some skills that they can put to use.
They can't necessarily put it to use in an employed environment.
So they go and volunteer somewhere to to do the work.
S2 (05:32):
Well, when we come back, we'll talk about the reason
why we actually asked you in here for your because
of your radio show on, uh, coast FM in Adelaide.
But first let's hear from Simon and Abby who have
their own radio show and podcast. Um, I will leave
it to them to explain it.
S6 (05:52):
Recently it was Anzac Day, and I reached out to
a friend of mine who I knew was in the
Navy and knew that his wife was in the Navy also.
And they are musicians, and that's who we are going
to speak to today. We are going to be going
to be speaking to Kay Fairbairn, who was a musician
in the Royal Australian Navy. I've never been in the military.
How about you? Have you ever been in the military?
S7 (06:15):
I'm a bit young. Um, I was going to join
the Navy after high school. I definitely considered it. Went
through the application process, but I'm a New Zealand citizen,
so they wouldn't accept me.
S2 (06:28):
So this week is volunteers week, and, um, I thought
it would be good to actually catch up with people
that do something similar to what I do. And that's
what I sort of decided to catch up with you
to on a rather scratchy zoom line with a lot
of technical faults. Simon, what got you first involved with
Vision Australia Radio?
S6 (06:45):
I saw an ad for volunteer readers and I approached
them and said, well, I'm vision impaired myself, so I
can't really be a very good reader. Um, but I
have an idea for a show. And I gave him
the proposal for the show, and and they accepted the proposal,
and here I am.
S2 (07:06):
Abby asks the same question. What got you involved?
S8 (07:09):
So I'm studying journalism at uni, and I did a
podcasting unit. Um, and it was about like carers and
stuff in the disability sector. And my tutor really liked
it and actually recommended me because, um, they were looking
for someone to do the podcast with Simon, so they
put my name forward and then, yeah, I met Simon
and that was that.
S2 (07:29):
So the show is called In Plain Sight. I've got
that right, haven't I?
S6 (07:33):
In plain sight. Yes.
S9 (07:35):
That's right.
S2 (07:36):
So, um, what gave you the idea for the title? Um,
or was it that everything else was taken?
S6 (07:42):
I came up with the title because being on Vision
Australia Radio, I thought it should have something to do
with sight involved. And then I remembered that there is
that phrase hidden in plain sight. And that was the
nature of what I wanted to do, was present people
who otherwise would be hidden in plain sight and give
(08:03):
them an airing, let them share their voice. Let the
public and their community hear what they have to say.
S2 (08:09):
So who's on your list if you talk to so
far and who are you hoping to?
S6 (08:14):
Uh, we've talked to a lot of different people, Sam. Uh,
mostly people in and around the disability sector. I started
originally with people who I know within the blindness community
here in Perth. So people like Erica Webb, Jalisco. Uh, also,
Nigel Aisgill, some of the leading advocates in, in, in
(08:34):
the disability sector, uh, coming up soon. This week we'll
be talking to Vanessa Jessop, who works for the people
with disabilities Western Australia, which is a leading disability advocacy
organisation who are holding their conference coming up, uh, in June.
S9 (08:54):
Um.
S2 (08:55):
How has the experience been for you?
S8 (08:57):
It's a tough question. I don't know, I really I
really enjoyed it. I feel like I've learnt a lot,
like there's a lot of things It's really, I guess,
broaden my understanding of the world, like around me without
that sounding too, like cringey. Um, yeah, it's just kind of. Yeah,
I've met some really great people, I think, and it's
(09:18):
given me a lot of good experience. I've learnt a
lot about interviewing people and podcasting and just yeah, I
feel like I just keep learning.
S9 (09:27):
All right, back to you, Simon.
S2 (09:29):
Um, who's I say? Is there any particular person you
want to target? Is there anyone that is there on
your wish list that you would want to talk to?
S6 (09:37):
None that I would name right now. Sam. Excuse me. None.
None really. Specifically. I just discover people as they arise
with every new guest. They often tell me about new people.
So a few weeks ago, we had a guest and
she told me about three other people. They're all local
(09:58):
people here in Western Australia. And that's the other point
of it, is to highlight what's happening here in Western Australia,
because we often feel a bit left out on this
side of the world. So no specific names at the minute. Sam.
S9 (10:10):
All right. How are you finding the workload?
S2 (10:13):
Um, I know we've talked a bit off air, and
I explained that what we do is usually it's non-stop. So, um,
finding this a bit of a challenge, or are you
finding this a challenging but enjoyable?
S6 (10:24):
As I've just recently turned 60 years old and a
number of my friends are thinking about retirement. I've just
started a new job and, um, I haven't had a
job for a while, so for that reason it's been
a bit stressful and I didn't realise when I signed
up for this that it's like a three and a
half four day job preparing, setting up interviews, finding new people,
(10:48):
making sure the schedule is booked in advance and then, um,
preparing what we're going to say and do. Um, so
it's a it is a pretty demanding role. And, um,
luckily I love it. And I'd be I'm happy to
be as a volunteer.
S2 (11:04):
Abbie. Has there been what you said? It's been, um, uh,
a learning experience. Is there anything that sort of come
across your, um, attention that you would have thought I
would never have imagined that happening in a million years?
S8 (11:15):
A lot of things, actually. Like, I never knew that
para dancing existed or that goalball existed, so things like that,
and then learning all about it. We talked to, um,
Caitlyn Hannon Williams and she's just recently a couple, I
think it's coming out this week, and she's got the
championships coming up in Finland, which is really cool. And
(11:38):
then all the championships with the, um, para dancing as well,
and just seeing it as really cool.
S2 (11:44):
And uh, we're about we're at are you at with
your studies anyway? How far through are you?
S8 (11:49):
I'm in my final year at Murdoch.
S2 (11:52):
Oh, Murdoch. Nice university. I went to it myself. Um.
S10 (11:55):
Oh, really?
S6 (11:55):
It's interesting. We're talking about volunteering, Sam, because most of
the people we talk to, even if they are in
their paid position. And that's why we're talking to them.
We're talking to them because they're giving back to their community,
and mostly in a volunteering role, either in the sporting
world or the disability advocacy world. And that's the type
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of thing we like to highlight. And it feels good
to me to do this role as a volunteer. Um, yes.
With Vision Australia, because I'm vision impaired. So I'm giving
back to my community in that sense. But it's a
role that I really value, and I don't do a
lot of voluntary work these days, especially within the realms
(12:39):
of the world that I am qualified to because I
don't like volunteering, working for free when I think I
should be getting paid. And I know volunteering in the
disability sector can be quite tricky topic, because sometimes we
get overused to do free work because people in this sector,
(13:02):
in this society, Rely on volunteering.
S2 (13:06):
What are you qualified to do, Simon?
S6 (13:07):
Oh, well, I've worked in and around the disability sector
for most of my life. I would say I'm qualified
as a disability support worker and an informal disability advocate,
and I've worked in the admin roles within disability organisations
and so on for many years. Sam. So I wouldn't
(13:28):
work within the disability sector as such as a volunteer
anymore because I've done that before and I don't need
to do it anymore. And I think and I've also
worked as a consultant as what they call as a,
a person with lived experience giving my expertise. And if
they asking for expertise, I think it should be paid for.
S2 (13:49):
That's a valid enough thing. So but I mean, you're
volunteering now, what would you say to others if they thought, oh,
this sounds fun, I'd like to do it myself? Um,
would you say no, run away at full speed or
give it a go.
S6 (14:05):
I would say give it. Give it a go. Be
aware of what you're doing. And like volunteering in this
kind of capacity is a commitment. It is a job.
It's an unpaid job, but it's a job nevertheless. And
it can't be taken lightly. But it does give you
a great deal of satisfaction. In this sense, we're getting
(14:26):
satisfaction from from filling our role. We're learning as we go.
We are meeting new people. We are contributing to our community.
So it is very beneficial and it's beneficial on both sides.
I always say volunteer is a very beneficial thing because
it helps you in so many ways. So give it
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a go. Yes.
S2 (14:48):
Oh for sure. And I mean, and do you find
it stressful at times.
S6 (14:52):
Yeah. Because it's a job. Any job. Every job is stressful, mate. Yes. Yeah,
it can be.
S2 (14:57):
I do find it from time to time to be
rather stressful, but I keep on thinking to myself, well,
this is the job I've always wanted to do. So
it's also has its rewards as well. All right, well,
before we go, I might as well spruik your show.
What's it called? When is it?
S6 (15:11):
Uh, it's called In Plain Sight. We go to air
on Tuesday mornings at 930 on the local networks here
in Perth and Melbourne. Not sure what time in Adelaide
because Adelaide is different. And podcast is available on Wednesdays.
And it's called In Plain Sight by Vision Australia Radio.
And it's all about shining a light on those who
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would be otherwise hidden in plain sight.
S2 (15:35):
And all done for no pay whatsoever. Thank you, Simon
and Abby.
S6 (15:38):
Thanks, mate.
S11 (15:39):
Thank you.
S1 (15:43):
This is studio one on Vision Australia Radio.
S3 (15:49):
Sean. Welcome back. Welcome back. It's so good to have you. Now,
the reason we are talking to you today is because
of your current status as a volunteer at coast FM,
producing live radio. So how did you get started in this? Like,
what made you want to get back into radio?
S5 (16:06):
Well, I was already doing internet radio, which is in
and of itself voluntary. So I'm no stranger to live
radio or the, uh, the things that go into it.
And somebody sent me an application form, um, was Dave Rankin.
I think he sent me one that he had, and
(16:27):
I decided to see if I could do something about it.
And then I contacted the station because the PDF was
not accessible. So, uh, the then one of the then
trainers at the time, Phil Davis, got in contact with me,
filled out the form, did all the necessary so I
could partake in the Broadcasting Corp. Now coast FM is
(16:49):
one of the ones that actually do a 6 to
8 week, if not a little bit longer broadcasting course. Yeah, right.
So you have to at least have some knowledge of
broadcast law. The codes of practice. Copyright law. How often
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you should report your playlist to APRA, and that's done
on a quarterly basis. If I remember correctly, and there
is usually a week in that quarter where every presenter
that presents during that week has to fill out an
APA sheet, which is then submitted to APRA so as
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to take care of royalties and and the like to
be able to continue to play the music we play.
S3 (17:40):
So you said before that you used to volunteer on
internet radio. How long were you doing that before you
got the gig at coast?
S5 (17:47):
Uh, I started back in 2001. Wow. And I've been
doing it for I still volunteer in some capacity because
I'm a station manager on the station that I now
volunteer for. So I've been in that game for around
24 years.
S3 (18:08):
And what sort of shows did you run.
S5 (18:11):
To start with? They were primarily music format. I then
went on to a sort of free for all where
I would talk to people and, um, you know, we
some of the things you could get away with on
internet radio, you can't get away with on live radio,
let's put it that way.
S3 (18:30):
Indeed. I've heard some of your, uh, your internet radio
shows and, yeah, you definitely wouldn't get away with broadcasting
that on the Am or FM bed.
S5 (18:38):
Uh, you might, depending on the time of day. There
is such a thing as watershed.
S3 (18:42):
That's true.
S2 (18:43):
So the current gig you're in at the moment. So what?
Maybe describe, uh, what your time there would, would consist of, say,
on a normal afternoon or evening.
S5 (18:54):
Okay. Well, I usually do late nights because there's a
lot less moving parts. So it's getting to the studio.
Sign in and set up and, uh, after. So how
how it works. You also do some training hours. You
got to do 45 hours of training hours. Uh, and
that's usually between midnight and 3 or 3 and six
(19:16):
of a Sunday morning. Now that we do actually have
a solid show on a Sunday morning between midnight and three.
3 to 6 is when most of the trainee broadcasters
go in, uh, either with their mentor or when they've
had enough hours on their own and do a live show.
So it's go in, set up, check your levels, and
(19:37):
make sure that your, uh, your playlist works. And after
a certain amount of time, you can request to use, uh,
Station Playlist Studio as you play out. I was given
a dispensation considering my disability, uh, to to do so.
And I still learnt, however, how to use the, uh,
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the turntables and the the CD players just in the
event that the computer does a thing and goes off
on a holiday.
S2 (20:10):
Now, now, dear listener, I will explain here. Sean is
actually totally blind, or at least so he claims to be.
S3 (20:16):
I think he's just saying that so he can get
the pension though. Yeah, much like myself.
S5 (20:20):
Are you giving away my secrets?
S4 (20:21):
Oh, no.
S5 (20:22):
No. Rude.
S4 (20:23):
Sorry.
S5 (20:26):
Now, what we have done at the studio, and they
were quite happy to do it. We got a we
got a whole set of lock dots and we put
them up. This is a reference that Sam would get.
We'd put them at the the zero point of the
fader so that I can just push the fader up,
line it up with the dot, and I'm at zero DB.
S3 (20:49):
That's pretty good. Yeah, I'm my next question was going
to be what sort of accommodations did they make for
you so that you were able to volunteer.
S5 (20:57):
Mhm. And the other thing we do too is when
there's cards to be played, I usually get them a
few days in advance so that I can load them
up in the station playlist because they use Netgear. Uh,
and as far as I know, Netgear is not particularly
blind friendly. And if it is, I've yet to find
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a way to get at it. Uh, the only, uh,
the only blind person I know that does actually use
Netgear is, of course, NAS Campanella, who reads the news
on the ABC.
S3 (21:30):
So do you have jaws on those, uh, on the
station computers? And what other accommodations did they make for you?
S5 (21:37):
No, we don't have jaws on the station computers because
they don't take care of their own. It they outsource that. And, uh,
they're a little reluctant to to do anything like that.
I have Nvda on my computer. I can do one
of two things I can usually ask the broadcaster before me.
I had to do it this this time. Normally I don't.
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I had to ask them to to pull the weather
sting into Netgear for me so that when I finished
my show I could play the weather sting in the
next broadcast, could come up and do his thing. But
normally I don't have to do that. I just play
out and the next broadcaster will have set up his, um, uh,
run of cards, including the weather sting. And, you know,
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we just, uh, change off and go from there.
S2 (22:24):
It fascinates me that you're still using cards. That's, uh.
S5 (22:27):
Well, when I say cards, um, Nitya is all completely
software based. So you have you have card stacks. Um,
so they're virtual cards more than anything, right? Um, and
not those, uh, things that you and I used to
play with back in the day. Sam. Oh, yes. I
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remember having to organise those, too. What a pain.
S3 (22:51):
So, what would you say are the benefits of volunteering?
S5 (22:54):
Well, you're putting yourself out into the community, particularly with, uh,
with live radio. You're, uh, you're you're talking to your listener.
You're educating them with your music tastes. And sometimes you get,
you know, get some feedback or you're playing some good
music there, or.
S12 (23:13):
Oh, can I have a little more Slim Dusty?
S5 (23:17):
Yeah. You know, I'll see what I can do.
S3 (23:20):
Yeah. What about when you were volunteering at Beyond Blindness?
Could you see the impact that your volunteering made on
on other people in that community?
S5 (23:28):
Yeah. And it's very immediate gratification in that sense because, uh,
more often than not, I had people coming up to
me wanting their computers sorted out, and there was a
couple of times I've had to go to people's homes
to help them with their phones and their, their technology,
and they're usually quite thankful that somebody has come to
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do it for them because they haven't got a clue.
Their family ain't got a clue. Um, sometimes others that
say they've got a clue don't necessarily have one.
S2 (24:01):
Yeah, well, I mean, technology is it's becoming more and
more important as we go along now. I mean, I
don't think anyone nowadays could cope without some degree of
electronics or something like that. It's, uh.
S5 (24:13):
Yeah.
S2 (24:13):
But anyway, moving right along because, as Lizzie, uh, hinted
at earlier, you're not the only volunteer in this room.
Both of us volunteer in some way or shape. And,
in fact, Lizzie's been doing a. You've been doing a course?
S3 (24:29):
Yeah. Oh, it's been so much fun. So I'm currently
engaged in the Audio Ability course, which is run by
the Cmto or Community Media Training Organization, which is a
national organization, I suppose. Um, and this course basically trains
people with disabilities in the skills necessary to become independent broadcasters.
(24:52):
So it's a 16 week course I've been going through.
I'm nearly at the end. In fact, I've got my
assessment all next week, I think. And, um, as part
of that, I've had to receive some mentoring from, uh,
somebody down at Radio Adelaide. So I've actually been, uh,
like last week I did my first live show. So, uh,
my radio mentor there hosts a show that deals specifically
(25:16):
with fresh Australian music and artists that have come hot
off the press and things like that. And yeah, I
got to go behind the boards last week and do
some panel operating and forward, announce and backing out some
songs and introduce myself on air. And they are possibly
thinking about giving me my own show.
S5 (25:32):
So look.
S2 (25:33):
Out. Did you make any major mistakes? Uh, did you, uh,
turn on the wrong mic or. I actually to the
studio or something.
S3 (25:38):
You know, what I did do was I had the
wrong headset on, and I went to. I turned the
right mic on, I turned the right mic on, but
I couldn't hear myself.
S2 (25:50):
So I think that's a benefit. That shouldn't be too bad.
S3 (25:53):
Oh thanks, Sam. So listeners would have heard. Ah. Hey. Yeah. Um,
this is Lizzie Eastham. Um, not. Yeah. Okay, good. Uh,
so we just heard this song, and I sort of
stumbled over myself. But after I got the right headset,
I was fine. It was good. I fixed it up.
S2 (26:09):
So do you know what I tend to do? In fact,
the vast majority of my work for Vision Australia Radio
is actually Peter Grecos producing. So he, uh, has a
one hour show on Wednesdays and a 1.5 hour show
on Saturdays. And the reason why we didn't drag Peter
in today is because, well, he's got the show directly
(26:29):
before us. And, yes, you can have too much of
one person.
S3 (26:33):
Absolutely. And, you know, um, he's pretty popular. You know,
about him?
S2 (26:39):
Yeah. Hopefully, if you're listening to this radio station, then yes,
give his work a go, because he's got a very
good producer.
S3 (26:45):
Yes. Yeah.
S2 (26:46):
Great. Anyway, that is a wrap for this week. A
big thank you to Simon Abbey and Sean.
S4 (26:54):
Thank you.
S3 (26:55):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
And that includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network.
You can find a podcast of this program, including some
extra content on Apple, Spotify, Google or your favorite podcast platform.
S2 (27:09):
Next week, we are talking to two support workers who
coincidentally have the same name. The two megans talk about
their backgrounds, what got them involved in the Ndia, and
where things are going from here.
S3 (27:22):
But between now and then, please do get in touch
with the show. Whether you have any experience of the
issues covered on this week's episode of Studio One, or
if you think there's something we should be talking about.
You never know. Your story and insight may help someone
who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (27:37):
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S3 (27:42):
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S5 (27:53):
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This is studio one on Vision Australia Radio.
S2 (00:16):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzie, and this is Studio One,
your weekly look at life from a low vision and
blind point of view. Here on Vision Australia Radio this week.
S3 (00:24):
Have you ever wanted to be on radio.
S2 (00:26):
For Volunteer Week? We catch up with Simon and Abby
from Vision Australia, Radios in Plain Sight and Sean Oliver
talks about volunteering on live radio, no less. That's a
scary idea indeed.
S3 (00:38):
As we always say at this point, please do get
in touch with the show. Whether you have experience of
any of the issues covered on this week's episode of
Studio One, or if you think there's something we should
be talking about. You never know. Your story and insight
may help someone who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (00:53):
You can contact us via email. Studio one, Vision Australia, org.
That's studio number one at Vision Australia.
S3 (00:58):
Org or of course, you can drop us a note
on the station's Facebook page by going to facebook.com Slash
Radio Network.
S2 (01:10):
Hello, Lizzie. You seem to have dragged in something from outside.
What have we got?
S3 (01:15):
I'm really.
S4 (01:15):
Sorry about.
S3 (01:18):
I'm sorry. Sam. Uh, I have. We have an extra
guest in the studio today, Mr. Sean Oliver, come on down.
S5 (01:25):
Hello? Oh. What? The price is right. No, that's the
wrong show.
S3 (01:29):
Yes.
S2 (01:30):
All right, so, um, welcome aboard our merry little ship. Um.
Studio one.
S5 (01:37):
Studio one.
S2 (01:38):
It's. It's been a ship. It's been a ship of fools, mainly.
S3 (01:42):
But Lisa hasn't started sinking yet.
S2 (01:44):
Well, give it time.
S5 (01:45):
That would be a titanic effort, wouldn't it?
S2 (01:48):
So this this week, we are talking about what it's
like to volunteer. And indeed, well, it's volunteer week. So
this is so we thought we'd bring in someone that
actually does do a fair bit of volunteer. You don't
you don't just volunteer for your radio work. There is
a few other bits and pieces of stuff that you do.
S5 (02:05):
Uh, there was there was stuff that I used to do.
I used to volunteer for Beyond Blindness back in the day.
S2 (02:11):
What? What is beyond blindness?
S5 (02:13):
That is a blindness organization up in the north east
of Adelaide, of Adelaide, of Adelaide. For those who aren't
in Adelaide, who catered to the social needs, I guess,
of blind and low vision people in that area.
S3 (02:33):
Now you were kind of a jack of all trades
when it came to volunteering there, because I can't think
of anything that you didn't do except for gardening and.
S5 (02:41):
No, I didn't do that as I could, but I
didn't do those. Um, I suspect that there might have
been a couple of other things I would have needed
to do to be able to, uh, to do the
kitchen work, like food handling and things like that.
S2 (02:55):
Oh, we can get you a forklift driver's license.
S3 (02:59):
I can perhaps convince my dad into trying to help
you get a heavy, rigid or something.
S5 (03:03):
To some of the people we had to feed. defeat.
I guess you would have needed a forklift, but, um.
S3 (03:08):
Hey.
S5 (03:09):
Wow.
S3 (03:09):
So what did you do then?
S5 (03:10):
They were. They were healthy eaters. I mean, like me,
for instance?
S3 (03:16):
Yes.
S2 (03:18):
So you were such a small lad when I first
met you as well.
S3 (03:21):
What happened?
S5 (03:21):
I was. I was much fitter back then. Now I'm fatter.
S2 (03:29):
Dear, dear listener, I have known Sean since, uh, I
think it's about 1988, when you came up to Darwin
for the Pan Pacific Games.
S5 (03:36):
Correct?
S2 (03:37):
So, yes, a wee small lad back then, but, uh, yes, he's, uh,
he's he's enjoyed life since then.
S5 (03:42):
Uh, quite, uh, know some of the things I used
to do was I would help out with the music group,
you know, uh, making sure that, uh, instruments were properly
set up and, uh, and things like that.
S3 (03:56):
You also did Tech Corner.
S5 (03:57):
I did, I did tech Corner, Lizzie. And I did
that for a while. And then Lizzie had life get
in the way, and I did try to keep doing it,
but it it sort of petered out because nobody else
kind of wanted to, to be there. It just, you know,
it's like that sort of natural attrition that, uh, that
happens when other things come up and, you know, even
(04:19):
even though we're blind, we still get the attack of
the shiny.
S3 (04:22):
That's true. Also, I remember that you did a bit
of voiceover work for them too, didn't you?
S5 (04:26):
I did, and a lot of the time I was
in the then Marnie Pierce lounge, you know, trying to
braille up their, um, their newsletter, uh, which didn't quite
work out as we'd hoped because a lot of time
was spent setting up the Embosser. And Duxbury is an
interesting piece of software. That's not to say it's bad,
(04:48):
it's just an interesting piece of software, and if you've
rarely worked with it before, then it can prove quite, uh,
quite daunting because you, you would, uh, take a word document,
import it into Duxbury and hope the goodness, it got
all the translations correct?
S2 (05:06):
What possessed you to do so much unpaid work for
for this organization?
S5 (05:10):
Not well, not to put too fine a point on it.
I was bored, and that's why a lot of volunteers
do anything. Because they're bored sitting at home doing nothing.
They've got some skills that they can put to use.
They can't necessarily put it to use in an employed environment.
So they go and volunteer somewhere to to do the work.
S2 (05:32):
Well, when we come back, we'll talk about the reason
why we actually asked you in here for your because
of your radio show on, uh, coast FM in Adelaide.
But first let's hear from Simon and Abby who have
their own radio show and podcast. Um, I will leave
it to them to explain it.
S6 (05:52):
Recently it was Anzac Day, and I reached out to
a friend of mine who I knew was in the
Navy and knew that his wife was in the Navy also.
And they are musicians, and that's who we are going
to speak to today. We are going to be going
to be speaking to Kay Fairbairn, who was a musician
in the Royal Australian Navy. I've never been in the military.
How about you? Have you ever been in the military?
S7 (06:15):
I'm a bit young. Um, I was going to join
the Navy after high school. I definitely considered it. Went
through the application process, but I'm a New Zealand citizen,
so they wouldn't accept me.
S2 (06:28):
So this week is volunteers week, and, um, I thought
it would be good to actually catch up with people
that do something similar to what I do. And that's
what I sort of decided to catch up with you
to on a rather scratchy zoom line with a lot
of technical faults. Simon, what got you first involved with
Vision Australia Radio?
S6 (06:45):
I saw an ad for volunteer readers and I approached
them and said, well, I'm vision impaired myself, so I
can't really be a very good reader. Um, but I
have an idea for a show. And I gave him
the proposal for the show, and and they accepted the proposal,
and here I am.
S2 (07:06):
Abby asks the same question. What got you involved?
S8 (07:09):
So I'm studying journalism at uni, and I did a
podcasting unit. Um, and it was about like carers and
stuff in the disability sector. And my tutor really liked
it and actually recommended me because, um, they were looking
for someone to do the podcast with Simon, so they
put my name forward and then, yeah, I met Simon
and that was that.
S2 (07:29):
So the show is called In Plain Sight. I've got
that right, haven't I?
S6 (07:33):
In plain sight. Yes.
S9 (07:35):
That's right.
S2 (07:36):
So, um, what gave you the idea for the title? Um,
or was it that everything else was taken?
S6 (07:42):
I came up with the title because being on Vision
Australia Radio, I thought it should have something to do
with sight involved. And then I remembered that there is
that phrase hidden in plain sight. And that was the
nature of what I wanted to do, was present people
who otherwise would be hidden in plain sight and give
(08:03):
them an airing, let them share their voice. Let the
public and their community hear what they have to say.
S2 (08:09):
So who's on your list if you talk to so
far and who are you hoping to?
S6 (08:14):
Uh, we've talked to a lot of different people, Sam. Uh,
mostly people in and around the disability sector. I started
originally with people who I know within the blindness community
here in Perth. So people like Erica Webb, Jalisco. Uh, also,
Nigel Aisgill, some of the leading advocates in, in, in
(08:34):
the disability sector, uh, coming up soon. This week we'll
be talking to Vanessa Jessop, who works for the people
with disabilities Western Australia, which is a leading disability advocacy
organisation who are holding their conference coming up, uh, in June.
S9 (08:54):
Um.
S2 (08:55):
How has the experience been for you?
S8 (08:57):
It's a tough question. I don't know, I really I
really enjoyed it. I feel like I've learnt a lot,
like there's a lot of things It's really, I guess,
broaden my understanding of the world, like around me without
that sounding too, like cringey. Um, yeah, it's just kind of. Yeah,
I've met some really great people, I think, and it's
(09:18):
given me a lot of good experience. I've learnt a
lot about interviewing people and podcasting and just yeah, I
feel like I just keep learning.
S9 (09:27):
All right, back to you, Simon.
S2 (09:29):
Um, who's I say? Is there any particular person you
want to target? Is there anyone that is there on
your wish list that you would want to talk to?
S6 (09:37):
None that I would name right now. Sam. Excuse me. None.
None really. Specifically. I just discover people as they arise
with every new guest. They often tell me about new people.
So a few weeks ago, we had a guest and
she told me about three other people. They're all local
(09:58):
people here in Western Australia. And that's the other point
of it, is to highlight what's happening here in Western Australia,
because we often feel a bit left out on this
side of the world. So no specific names at the minute. Sam.
S9 (10:10):
All right. How are you finding the workload?
S2 (10:13):
Um, I know we've talked a bit off air, and
I explained that what we do is usually it's non-stop. So, um,
finding this a bit of a challenge, or are you
finding this a challenging but enjoyable?
S6 (10:24):
As I've just recently turned 60 years old and a
number of my friends are thinking about retirement. I've just
started a new job and, um, I haven't had a
job for a while, so for that reason it's been
a bit stressful and I didn't realise when I signed
up for this that it's like a three and a
half four day job preparing, setting up interviews, finding new people,
(10:48):
making sure the schedule is booked in advance and then, um,
preparing what we're going to say and do. Um, so
it's a it is a pretty demanding role. And, um,
luckily I love it. And I'd be I'm happy to
be as a volunteer.
S2 (11:04):
Abbie. Has there been what you said? It's been, um, uh,
a learning experience. Is there anything that sort of come
across your, um, attention that you would have thought I
would never have imagined that happening in a million years?
S8 (11:15):
A lot of things, actually. Like, I never knew that
para dancing existed or that goalball existed, so things like that,
and then learning all about it. We talked to, um,
Caitlyn Hannon Williams and she's just recently a couple, I
think it's coming out this week, and she's got the
championships coming up in Finland, which is really cool. And
(11:38):
then all the championships with the, um, para dancing as well,
and just seeing it as really cool.
S2 (11:44):
And uh, we're about we're at are you at with
your studies anyway? How far through are you?
S8 (11:49):
I'm in my final year at Murdoch.
S2 (11:52):
Oh, Murdoch. Nice university. I went to it myself. Um.
S10 (11:55):
Oh, really?
S6 (11:55):
It's interesting. We're talking about volunteering, Sam, because most of
the people we talk to, even if they are in
their paid position. And that's why we're talking to them.
We're talking to them because they're giving back to their community,
and mostly in a volunteering role, either in the sporting
world or the disability advocacy world. And that's the type
(12:16):
of thing we like to highlight. And it feels good
to me to do this role as a volunteer. Um, yes.
With Vision Australia, because I'm vision impaired. So I'm giving
back to my community in that sense. But it's a
role that I really value, and I don't do a
lot of voluntary work these days, especially within the realms
(12:39):
of the world that I am qualified to because I
don't like volunteering, working for free when I think I
should be getting paid. And I know volunteering in the
disability sector can be quite tricky topic, because sometimes we
get overused to do free work because people in this sector,
(13:02):
in this society, Rely on volunteering.
S2 (13:06):
What are you qualified to do, Simon?
S6 (13:07):
Oh, well, I've worked in and around the disability sector
for most of my life. I would say I'm qualified
as a disability support worker and an informal disability advocate,
and I've worked in the admin roles within disability organisations
and so on for many years. Sam. So I wouldn't
(13:28):
work within the disability sector as such as a volunteer
anymore because I've done that before and I don't need
to do it anymore. And I think and I've also
worked as a consultant as what they call as a,
a person with lived experience giving my expertise. And if
they asking for expertise, I think it should be paid for.
S2 (13:49):
That's a valid enough thing. So but I mean, you're
volunteering now, what would you say to others if they thought, oh,
this sounds fun, I'd like to do it myself? Um,
would you say no, run away at full speed or
give it a go.
S6 (14:05):
I would say give it. Give it a go. Be
aware of what you're doing. And like volunteering in this
kind of capacity is a commitment. It is a job.
It's an unpaid job, but it's a job nevertheless. And
it can't be taken lightly. But it does give you
a great deal of satisfaction. In this sense, we're getting
(14:26):
satisfaction from from filling our role. We're learning as we go.
We are meeting new people. We are contributing to our community.
So it is very beneficial and it's beneficial on both sides.
I always say volunteer is a very beneficial thing because
it helps you in so many ways. So give it
(14:47):
a go. Yes.
S2 (14:48):
Oh for sure. And I mean, and do you find
it stressful at times.
S6 (14:52):
Yeah. Because it's a job. Any job. Every job is stressful, mate. Yes. Yeah,
it can be.
S2 (14:57):
I do find it from time to time to be
rather stressful, but I keep on thinking to myself, well,
this is the job I've always wanted to do. So
it's also has its rewards as well. All right, well,
before we go, I might as well spruik your show.
What's it called? When is it?
S6 (15:11):
Uh, it's called In Plain Sight. We go to air
on Tuesday mornings at 930 on the local networks here
in Perth and Melbourne. Not sure what time in Adelaide
because Adelaide is different. And podcast is available on Wednesdays.
And it's called In Plain Sight by Vision Australia Radio.
And it's all about shining a light on those who
(15:32):
would be otherwise hidden in plain sight.
S2 (15:35):
And all done for no pay whatsoever. Thank you, Simon
and Abby.
S6 (15:38):
Thanks, mate.
S11 (15:39):
Thank you.
S1 (15:43):
This is studio one on Vision Australia Radio.
S3 (15:49):
Sean. Welcome back. Welcome back. It's so good to have you. Now,
the reason we are talking to you today is because
of your current status as a volunteer at coast FM,
producing live radio. So how did you get started in this? Like,
what made you want to get back into radio?
S5 (16:06):
Well, I was already doing internet radio, which is in
and of itself voluntary. So I'm no stranger to live
radio or the, uh, the things that go into it.
And somebody sent me an application form, um, was Dave Rankin.
I think he sent me one that he had, and
(16:27):
I decided to see if I could do something about it.
And then I contacted the station because the PDF was
not accessible. So, uh, the then one of the then
trainers at the time, Phil Davis, got in contact with me,
filled out the form, did all the necessary so I
could partake in the Broadcasting Corp. Now coast FM is
(16:49):
one of the ones that actually do a 6 to
8 week, if not a little bit longer broadcasting course. Yeah, right.
So you have to at least have some knowledge of
broadcast law. The codes of practice. Copyright law. How often
(17:10):
you should report your playlist to APRA, and that's done
on a quarterly basis. If I remember correctly, and there
is usually a week in that quarter where every presenter
that presents during that week has to fill out an
APA sheet, which is then submitted to APRA so as
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to take care of royalties and and the like to
be able to continue to play the music we play.
S3 (17:40):
So you said before that you used to volunteer on
internet radio. How long were you doing that before you
got the gig at coast?
S5 (17:47):
Uh, I started back in 2001. Wow. And I've been
doing it for I still volunteer in some capacity because
I'm a station manager on the station that I now
volunteer for. So I've been in that game for around
24 years.
S3 (18:08):
And what sort of shows did you run.
S5 (18:11):
To start with? They were primarily music format. I then
went on to a sort of free for all where
I would talk to people and, um, you know, we
some of the things you could get away with on
internet radio, you can't get away with on live radio,
let's put it that way.
S3 (18:30):
Indeed. I've heard some of your, uh, your internet radio
shows and, yeah, you definitely wouldn't get away with broadcasting
that on the Am or FM bed.
S5 (18:38):
Uh, you might, depending on the time of day. There
is such a thing as watershed.
S3 (18:42):
That's true.
S2 (18:43):
So the current gig you're in at the moment. So what?
Maybe describe, uh, what your time there would, would consist of, say,
on a normal afternoon or evening.
S5 (18:54):
Okay. Well, I usually do late nights because there's a
lot less moving parts. So it's getting to the studio.
Sign in and set up and, uh, after. So how
how it works. You also do some training hours. You
got to do 45 hours of training hours. Uh, and
that's usually between midnight and 3 or 3 and six
(19:16):
of a Sunday morning. Now that we do actually have
a solid show on a Sunday morning between midnight and three.
3 to 6 is when most of the trainee broadcasters
go in, uh, either with their mentor or when they've
had enough hours on their own and do a live show.
So it's go in, set up, check your levels, and
(19:37):
make sure that your, uh, your playlist works. And after
a certain amount of time, you can request to use, uh,
Station Playlist Studio as you play out. I was given
a dispensation considering my disability, uh, to to do so.
And I still learnt, however, how to use the, uh,
(20:00):
the turntables and the the CD players just in the
event that the computer does a thing and goes off
on a holiday.
S2 (20:10):
Now, now, dear listener, I will explain here. Sean is
actually totally blind, or at least so he claims to be.
S3 (20:16):
I think he's just saying that so he can get
the pension though. Yeah, much like myself.
S5 (20:20):
Are you giving away my secrets?
S4 (20:21):
Oh, no.
S5 (20:22):
No. Rude.
S4 (20:23):
Sorry.
S5 (20:26):
Now, what we have done at the studio, and they
were quite happy to do it. We got a we
got a whole set of lock dots and we put
them up. This is a reference that Sam would get.
We'd put them at the the zero point of the
fader so that I can just push the fader up,
line it up with the dot, and I'm at zero DB.
S3 (20:49):
That's pretty good. Yeah, I'm my next question was going
to be what sort of accommodations did they make for
you so that you were able to volunteer.
S5 (20:57):
Mhm. And the other thing we do too is when
there's cards to be played, I usually get them a
few days in advance so that I can load them
up in the station playlist because they use Netgear. Uh,
and as far as I know, Netgear is not particularly
blind friendly. And if it is, I've yet to find
(21:17):
a way to get at it. Uh, the only, uh,
the only blind person I know that does actually use
Netgear is, of course, NAS Campanella, who reads the news
on the ABC.
S3 (21:30):
So do you have jaws on those, uh, on the
station computers? And what other accommodations did they make for you?
S5 (21:37):
No, we don't have jaws on the station computers because
they don't take care of their own. It they outsource that. And, uh,
they're a little reluctant to to do anything like that.
I have Nvda on my computer. I can do one
of two things I can usually ask the broadcaster before me.
I had to do it this this time. Normally I don't.
(21:59):
I had to ask them to to pull the weather
sting into Netgear for me so that when I finished
my show I could play the weather sting in the
next broadcast, could come up and do his thing. But
normally I don't have to do that. I just play
out and the next broadcaster will have set up his, um, uh,
run of cards, including the weather sting. And, you know,
(22:21):
we just, uh, change off and go from there.
S2 (22:24):
It fascinates me that you're still using cards. That's, uh.
S5 (22:27):
Well, when I say cards, um, Nitya is all completely
software based. So you have you have card stacks. Um,
so they're virtual cards more than anything, right? Um, and
not those, uh, things that you and I used to
play with back in the day. Sam. Oh, yes. I
(22:48):
remember having to organise those, too. What a pain.
S3 (22:51):
So, what would you say are the benefits of volunteering?
S5 (22:54):
Well, you're putting yourself out into the community, particularly with, uh,
with live radio. You're, uh, you're you're talking to your listener.
You're educating them with your music tastes. And sometimes you get,
you know, get some feedback or you're playing some good
music there, or.
S12 (23:13):
Oh, can I have a little more Slim Dusty?
S5 (23:17):
Yeah. You know, I'll see what I can do.
S3 (23:20):
Yeah. What about when you were volunteering at Beyond Blindness?
Could you see the impact that your volunteering made on
on other people in that community?
S5 (23:28):
Yeah. And it's very immediate gratification in that sense because, uh,
more often than not, I had people coming up to
me wanting their computers sorted out, and there was a
couple of times I've had to go to people's homes
to help them with their phones and their, their technology,
and they're usually quite thankful that somebody has come to
(23:51):
do it for them because they haven't got a clue.
Their family ain't got a clue. Um, sometimes others that
say they've got a clue don't necessarily have one.
S2 (24:01):
Yeah, well, I mean, technology is it's becoming more and
more important as we go along now. I mean, I
don't think anyone nowadays could cope without some degree of
electronics or something like that. It's, uh.
S5 (24:13):
Yeah.
S2 (24:13):
But anyway, moving right along because, as Lizzie, uh, hinted
at earlier, you're not the only volunteer in this room.
Both of us volunteer in some way or shape. And,
in fact, Lizzie's been doing a. You've been doing a course?
S3 (24:29):
Yeah. Oh, it's been so much fun. So I'm currently
engaged in the Audio Ability course, which is run by
the Cmto or Community Media Training Organization, which is a
national organization, I suppose. Um, and this course basically trains
people with disabilities in the skills necessary to become independent broadcasters.
(24:52):
So it's a 16 week course I've been going through.
I'm nearly at the end. In fact, I've got my
assessment all next week, I think. And, um, as part
of that, I've had to receive some mentoring from, uh,
somebody down at Radio Adelaide. So I've actually been, uh,
like last week I did my first live show. So, uh,
my radio mentor there hosts a show that deals specifically
(25:16):
with fresh Australian music and artists that have come hot
off the press and things like that. And yeah, I
got to go behind the boards last week and do
some panel operating and forward, announce and backing out some
songs and introduce myself on air. And they are possibly
thinking about giving me my own show.
S5 (25:32):
So look.
S2 (25:33):
Out. Did you make any major mistakes? Uh, did you, uh,
turn on the wrong mic or. I actually to the
studio or something.
S3 (25:38):
You know, what I did do was I had the
wrong headset on, and I went to. I turned the
right mic on, I turned the right mic on, but
I couldn't hear myself.
S2 (25:50):
So I think that's a benefit. That shouldn't be too bad.
S3 (25:53):
Oh thanks, Sam. So listeners would have heard. Ah. Hey. Yeah. Um,
this is Lizzie Eastham. Um, not. Yeah. Okay, good. Uh,
so we just heard this song, and I sort of
stumbled over myself. But after I got the right headset,
I was fine. It was good. I fixed it up.
S2 (26:09):
So do you know what I tend to do? In fact,
the vast majority of my work for Vision Australia Radio
is actually Peter Grecos producing. So he, uh, has a
one hour show on Wednesdays and a 1.5 hour show
on Saturdays. And the reason why we didn't drag Peter
in today is because, well, he's got the show directly
(26:29):
before us. And, yes, you can have too much of
one person.
S3 (26:33):
Absolutely. And, you know, um, he's pretty popular. You know,
about him?
S2 (26:39):
Yeah. Hopefully, if you're listening to this radio station, then yes,
give his work a go, because he's got a very
good producer.
S3 (26:45):
Yes. Yeah.
S2 (26:46):
Great. Anyway, that is a wrap for this week. A
big thank you to Simon Abbey and Sean.
S4 (26:54):
Thank you.
S3 (26:55):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
And that includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network.
You can find a podcast of this program, including some
extra content on Apple, Spotify, Google or your favorite podcast platform.
S2 (27:09):
Next week, we are talking to two support workers who
coincidentally have the same name. The two megans talk about
their backgrounds, what got them involved in the Ndia, and
where things are going from here.
S3 (27:22):
But between now and then, please do get in touch
with the show. Whether you have any experience of the
issues covered on this week's episode of Studio One, or
if you think there's something we should be talking about.
You never know. Your story and insight may help someone
who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (27:37):
Our email address is studio one. Org. That's studio number
one at Vision Australia.
S3 (27:42):
Org or of course you can find us on all
the good social media platforms such as Facebook or Instagram
by searching for VA Radio Network. We want to hear
from you.
S5 (27:53):
This program was made possible with the support of the
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