September 10, 2025 • 28 mins
Lizzie Eastham and Sam Rickard present Studio 1 - Vision Australia Radio’s weekly look at life from a low vision and blind point of view.
On this week’s show
“What’s the point in travelling if you can’t see?”
Lizzie and Sam are packing their bags; stocking up on the travel sickness medication and heading back out on the road.
Studio 1’s choir of angels once more talk about their experiences travelling around this land of ours and to locations all around the world, and the questions is asked: what’s the point in travelling if you can’t see?
Studio 1 welcomes any input from our listeners. If you have any experience or thoughts about issues covered in this episode or believe there is something we should be talking about.
You may also be interested in joining our choir of angels and telling your story.
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A special thank you to Simon; Maddy; Shaun; Alex; Anthony; Josh and Tory.
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S1 (00:15):
This is Studio One with Sam Rickard and Lizzie Eastham
on Vision Australia radio.
S2 (00:23):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzie and this is Studio One,
your weekly look at life from a low vision and
blind point of view. Here on Vision Australia Radio.
S3 (00:31):
This week we're packing our bags, stocking up on the
travel sickness medication and hitting the road.
S2 (00:37):
Our choir of angels once more talk about their experiences
travelling around this land of ours, and to locations all
around the globe.
S3 (00:45):
Also, we ask, what's the point in travelling if you
can't actually see?
S2 (00:49):
As we always say at this point, please do get
in touch with the show. Whether you have experiences of
any of the issues covered on this week's episode of
Studio One, or if you think there is something we
should be talking about, you never know. Your story and
insight may help somebody else who is dealing with something similar.
S3 (01:05):
You can contact us via email at studio One at
Vision Australia. Org. That's studio number one at Vision Australia.
Org or of course you can drop us a note
on the station's Facebook page by going to facebook.com. Radio
network happy birthday Sam. Let's just get that out of
the road first. I am so sorry that I forgot.
S2 (01:26):
Well, I forgot about it too, as I've scheduled a
whole lot of stuff for today. Um, and dear listener, yes,
you may be listening on a Wednesday or whenever. So
we're recording this on the Monday.
S3 (01:37):
As we always do.
S2 (01:38):
And no, I it completely slipped my mind. I think
as you get as anxious as I am, the birthday
just becomes another number. And um, yes. So I'm usually
rather grumpy though when I work on my birthday and well,
I've got no excuse. I forgot about it completely.
S3 (01:53):
Well, I'm glad to hear that you're not so grumpy today.
And also we are joined by a special furry guest
in the studio today I have brought my new Seeing
eye dog, McKenzie, in to work with me today.
S2 (02:06):
And how has that been going for you? I mean,
oh fantastically.
S3 (02:09):
I have to report with a lot of gratitude that
she's nothing like Lacey, which I'm super happy about, because
if any of you know what Lacey was like, oh,
but she was a handful. She is a handful.
S2 (02:21):
Well, what I found interesting is because I scoffed down
lunch just after you arrived, and Mackenzie paid no attention
to me whatsoever. She was quite happy to just look elsewhere.
The only time she actually paid any attention was when
I got up to go and print the script out
for some reason. So yes, a very different personality. What
are some of the other differences you've noticed?
S3 (02:40):
Oh my gosh. Okay, so Mackenzie's pores are bigger than
Lacey's or are we talking just personality differences?
S2 (02:45):
Oh yeah. Well, as a as a dog dog or
a guide dog. Take your pick.
S3 (02:48):
Oh either one. Okay, well, Mackenzie's very fast. She's only
got two speeds. Stop and. Whoa! Steady on, man. Yeah,
she can walk.
S2 (02:57):
So this is the dog for the fitness lover, which
probably suits you quite well. Really?
S3 (03:02):
Oh, yeah. I cannot wait to take her on hikes. Man, I,
I think we're going to be breaking all sorts of
speed records also, as you mentioned. Not so food distracted.
And she's totally and utterly, irrevocably in love with me,
so that's great. I love you too, Kenz. She's my
my little Kenzi. And she's so cute. Oh.
S2 (03:21):
And how's the eastern family? Settling in with two dogs?
S3 (03:27):
Well, Lacey's not at all impressed. In fact, she has
utter contempt and scorn for Mackenzie. Mackenzie is so keen
to please and eager to be friends with everyone. And
Lacey's just like, no, I don't want anything to do
with you. Everybody else loves her, but she loves me.
She she likes them, but she loves me, so it's great.
S2 (03:50):
Well, this week we are going back to, well, travelling.
And of course, asking the question, what's the point in
travelling if you can't actually see? So, uh, have you
you've had some reasonably recent experiences, uh, jumping on planes
and buses and planes, trains and automobiles, you might say.
S3 (04:07):
I have, um, yeah. So earlier this year in March,
Steven and I went with Beyond Blindness to Mount Gambier
for a week. We had to leave Lacey with my
grandparents because, you know, she'd retired, but that was a
lot of fun. Um, what made it even better was
the fact that we were with an organization that specializes in, uh,
you know, being or it's designed for blind people. So
(04:29):
all of the tourist attractions we did were catered to us.
You know, we had guided tours of museums. We got
to touch things. We got audio described, uh, films that
we saw. You know, the Glenelg River cruise that we
went on was like fully described and everything was great.
S2 (04:46):
Well, it's not about us. It's about our choir of angels.
And we've got a few new people in the choir
and a few, uh, that we've spoken to before. But
we ask.
S3 (04:57):
A lot of questions.
S2 (04:58):
A lot of questions and how you how you feel
about traveling. So over to you, Simon.
S4 (05:07):
I have traveled in the state on my own, and
I find Airports and stuff, and the airports tend to
be very helpful. I'm also on the planes. I've only
ever done travel overseas with my wife. There's a lot
more challenges when you're overseas, because often the roads and
(05:29):
traffic conditions are not as blind friendly as a place
like Adelaide. So yeah, we have done quite a few trips, uh,
organized trips and, and travel on our own overseas, but
always with my wife, with a sighted guide.
S3 (05:46):
Do you feel that your vision impairment changes the way
that you're able to enjoy tourist attractions?
S4 (05:52):
I think so. I've only ever had a tiny bit
of vision in the past, but traveling is such a
visual experience. If you could see a tiny bit, even
just a bit of light perception and a few shadows
and color, it seems to make traveling much, so much
more interesting. So traveling these days is more about learning
(06:13):
new ideas. And I've been on trips where the language
you know, that the guides use is not a language
that I can actually understand. But it's true that, um,
even though, you know, without vision, there's a lot of
auditory information and smell and, and food that we can enjoy.
But I do miss that tiny bit of 1%, half
(06:35):
a percent of vision I used to have.
S3 (06:38):
What's the coolest or most interesting place you've ever traveled to?
S4 (06:42):
I have to say, it would have to be Venice
for me, because I remember last time we went there
they had 2 or 3, you know, like quartets and
string orchestras playing in tandem. When one group finishes, the
other group starts. And no wonder you have to pay
so much more. If you buy a cup of coffee
(07:02):
and you take it outside to drink it, because you
can really enjoy the ambiance of the square. One of
the highlights on that day was that, um, we were
able to travel Along down the canals in a gondola
and next to us. So it was a tour group
and we had, I think, four gondolas, and there was
(07:23):
one that had an Italian man who was singing, serenading
us along the canals, um, singing old Italian songs that
I was very familiar with. I didn't want that part
of the trip to end.
S2 (07:39):
Now, I've always wanted to go to Venice. I've got
to say, um, and appreciate it. Well, while it still lasts, really?
Because it's sinking.
S3 (07:47):
I've heard that. Yeah, I've. I've always wanted to go
to Italy in general. Uh, and Europe as well. I
just I've never been to Europe. I have, uh, you know,
family from Holland and things that I'd like to go visit.
But I'm just fascinated by the whole idea of going
and sitting in a gondola and having someone sing at you. Like,
(08:07):
that's just kind of special.
S2 (08:08):
That's the whole point of traveling, really, is that you
don't just have the sights, you have the smells, you
have the, uh, the sounds, you have the experiences. Really. And, uh,
when he was talking about sitting in the gondola, he,
you know, I could actually sort of.
S3 (08:22):
Picture.
S2 (08:22):
It. Picture it? Yeah. So, yeah, it was, uh, a
really wonderful I mean, so me and Heidi's choice of
traveling to multiple locations nowadays is by cruise ship, which
can cause some troubles when you're dealing with someone like,
like Venice, because the harbors aren't big enough for the
big cruise ships. And usually if you're going over to Europe.
S3 (08:43):
You're on a big cruise ship.
S2 (08:44):
You're on a big cruise ship. And also usually there's
more than one ship in harbor at the same time.
So you're not just dealing with a few tourists, you're
dealing with a lot of tourists. So I suspect if yes,
the way to see Venice is probably slightly in the
off season where you can get a little bit of that,
that attention to detail and maybe a one on one
tour of some of the museums and things like that.
S3 (09:06):
That would be amazing.
S2 (09:07):
If anyone out there has ever done something like that,
please let us know. Write us an email and we'll
probably want to talk to you. Yeah. Anyway, next up,
we are talking to Maddie.
S5 (09:19):
Um, yes. I've travelled around Australia a bit, and I've
been overseas to the US a few times. I think
every time I've been through an airport, I've learnt something
new about how to navigate on my own. Um, and
just be more independent. I don't find my vision restricts
me doing touristy things too much. Like, I already do
(09:41):
a lot of pre-planning just to get around as it is.
So yeah, I just pre-plan as much as I can
about getting around and I just see what I can see.
And yeah.
S3 (09:53):
What's the best travel experience you've had? Like you could
be your favorite holiday or favorite place you've been to?
S5 (09:59):
I really love the US. Um, that's definitely been a
favorite place of mine to go. And last year we
had the opportunity to travel over there to do a
World Cup in Huntsville. Yeah, so that was a great trip.
S2 (10:15):
Oh, the US? Um, yeah.
S3 (10:18):
I have not been. And I must confess, it's a
place that I would love to go. I have friends
in the US. Yeah.
S2 (10:25):
Uh, my. I'd love to go back there. I've been
there on a number of different occasions, usually for sporting events.
And it's a strange country, let's put it that way.
I think people who have been to the US would
would recognize this. What I'm talking about. Me personally, I
think I'll avoid the USA, at least for the next
three and a half years or so.
S3 (10:46):
I'd still love to go. Yeah, I just I'd love
to go to Colorado and experience the Rocky Mountains.
S2 (10:54):
I enjoyed going to New York. Um, I enjoyed the
Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C. and apparently that's
got even better now because you can actually walk aboard
a space shuttle. Oh, and yes, I found Chicago to
be a lovely city, for example. And, well, I could
take or leave Atlanta one. There's nothing much to see there.
(11:14):
And two. Um. There was not my best Paralympics, I've
got to say. Okay. Anyway, um, next up.
S3 (11:21):
We have Shaun.
S2 (11:22):
So, what is it you actually ask Shaun?
S3 (11:24):
I believe that I asked him if his vision impacts
his ability to enjoy tourist attractions as much as he
would be able to if he could see.
S6 (11:37):
The obvious answer to to the last part of that
question is yes, because some of it is highly visual
for the stuff that's tactile. However, no. Now as for yes,
I've travelled interstate and I've travelled overseas, uh, before I
moved here. I come here a couple of times, once
by train and once by and yes, once by plane.
S3 (11:56):
Uh, do you find that people are more accommodating to
you because of your vision impairment? Do you find that
it's easy to get assistance?
S6 (12:02):
That depends on the people. For the most part, they
they can be quite accommodating. Uh, you know, there's certain
situations where policy might dictate They can't be. Uh. And
there's nothing you can do about that. Um, uh, except
provide constructive feedback.
S3 (12:22):
Could you tell me about the experience you had earlier
this year? I believe your girlfriend came from overseas, and
you actually went and visited some of South Australia's finest
tourist attractions.
S6 (12:34):
We did, we did, and for the most part, we
were able to experience pretty much everything. Yeah, there was
1 or 2 things like, uh, up on the balcony
at uh, Town Hall in Adelaide, where they got the
photo of the Fab Four. Naturally, you couldn't touch that
because it was a photo. But we were able to,
(12:57):
you know, feel things in the library placards on, say,
Parliament House and also looking around the war memorial, all
that sort of thing. You know, we were able to,
you know, read the writing on the on the plaques there.
S3 (13:09):
And if you can think of the name of the
touring company that you were with, if we ever do
a show.
S6 (13:13):
Flamboyant tours. I think it is.
S3 (13:16):
And did you find that they were accommodating?
S6 (13:19):
She certainly was. She certainly was. We even got, uh,
we even got some menz fruchocs at the end of it.
S3 (13:27):
Ah, good old men's fruit trucks. I wish they would
have saved me some.
S2 (13:31):
Dear listener, if you are listening from elsewhere, then, um. Yes.
Look it up on the internet. You will find that
it is a uniquely South Australian treat. That, uh, yes,
you can sometimes buy in some places.
S3 (13:41):
Wait, you mean to say you can't get them in
the rest of Australia, right?
S2 (13:45):
Well, they're a niche thing. They're kind of like yo
yo biscuits in that way.
S3 (13:50):
How could you possibly live your life not having tried
a fruit choc?
S2 (13:54):
Well, um, it's as I said, it's just this unique
little part of, uh, this particular part of the world. Um,
I'm like like the Barossa Valley, um, and, uh, and such, like. So, uh. Yes.
Dear listener, do yourself a favour. Uh, if you're ever
in this part of the world, get.
S3 (14:09):
Yourself some fruit. Yeah.
S2 (14:11):
So, um, with that bit of, um, location setting. Next,
we're talking to Alex.
S7 (14:18):
Not internationally, but I have been interstate just to Victoria.
Victoria in Canberra, actually, the first instance, I flew to
Melbourne and then drove to Canberra. The vision was only
just starting to go then so I could still navigate. Okay,
my night time vision was virtually gone by that stage though,
(14:39):
and I didn't have a white cane at that point.
I was using a walking stick because it was at
least a visual for people to say that there was
an issue with mobility, and I used it to judge
the distances of curves and stuff like that too.
S3 (14:52):
How has your vision impacted your ability to enjoy tourist
attractions and things like that.
S7 (14:57):
For things that are extremely visual, obviously is difficult because
you've got to have someone with you with a knack
for description. I actually recently, for those in South Australia,
went to the Adelaide Museum for their Viking exhibit. The.
It's the Galloway hoard. It's still at the museum. What
they've actually got is they've got audio description, QR codes
(15:23):
all throughout the exhibit and at the start that you
can scan and it will actually direct you right around
the exhibit and describe the big pieces that are in there.
You can completely navigate this exhibit using the audio description.
S3 (15:37):
Just on your iPhone.
S7 (15:39):
On the phone. You just scan the QR code and
away you go.
S3 (15:42):
That's amazing. I had never heard of anything like that.
S7 (15:45):
I hadn't either until we actually looked it up and
it was like, oh, well, that's interesting. And then I
actually yeah, we did it. I was with mum that
day and mum had just clicked the QR code for
me and away we went. But yeah, you could literally
navigate the entire exhibit via the QR code because what
they've actually done is the left hand wall as you're
(16:06):
walking around, is specifically has no exhibits on it, so
actually guides you to the wall and you follow the
wall around with your hand. It's been designed specifically for
that purpose.
S2 (16:23):
So QR codes, um, they've been around for an awful
long time, but prior to the pandemic, I think everyone
just assumed there was some bizarre form of, I don't know,
pavement art or something like that. Yeah, they sort of
came into their own when we had to check in everywhere,
and all of a sudden now, well, they've always been everywhere,
but now we actually know what they do.
S3 (16:42):
Yeah. Actually, come to think of it, um, and I
can't believe I forgot about it at the time, but
back in 2016 or 2017, there was an Anzac Day
thing at the museum and it was the same thing.
They had these little, um, like memorial type things and
plaques and signs and artifacts. And there was a, you know,
(17:03):
when you go to the cinema and you wear those
audio descriptive, uh, like the earphones and then you've got
the little box, it was like that. And you just
point the box at the thing and press the thing,
and it would tell you the story of what each
artifact was. So as my auntie was going around reading
everything and looking at the things, I would be listening
to the audio. And as you moved through each part
(17:24):
of the museum, the audio would like catch up with
where you were at.
S2 (17:28):
It really demonstrates that sometimes the organisers and people who
run these things will do things for one reason, and
they will have overflow benefits really. So yes, they probably
initially installed those for people like ourselves who could get
the benefit from it. But all of a sudden there
are other people with slightly poor sight or who are
(17:50):
more interested in learning about more of this. And so
it actually is kind of the equivalent of of yes,
the wheelchair ramp that gets used by Pram users, for example.
S3 (17:59):
Like you said, not just people with poor sight, but
like the signs and the plaques were long. So this
audio description thing would read as well as give you
background into the artifact that you were looking at, which
you could see it would read the plaque like my
auntie got a set of headphones just because she was like,
I don't want to read all this. This is a
lot of reading and, uh, you'll be halfway around the
(18:20):
thing by the time I've read 1 or 2 artifacts.
So yeah, it was actually quite interesting. I found it
really fascinating.
S2 (18:26):
Well, lots of writing in a museum tends to put
me off doing things. I've got to admit, even if
it's nice, large writing, it's still. It's like even a
decent print point will still have me essentially inhaling the
plaque that I'm reading as opposed to, uh, to reading it.
S3 (18:41):
So Stevens is saying I never goes to museums.
S2 (18:43):
Next up Anthony. Anthony has always got a lot, a
lot to say on any given subject, and this is
no different.
S8 (18:53):
It depends on why you go. Never sees him. What
are you doing overseas and the people you're traveling with?
You've got good people traveling with. You'll get some sort
of explanation of what's going on. Um, but at the
same time, your normal sort of cultural difference, different foods,
different language, like you go to different into countries where
(19:13):
we're used to having footpaths here. Some places don't have footpaths.
They get all those normal things that don't require sight.
When it comes down to architecture and things like that, um,
sometimes you can feel to smooth things, but obviously if
it's up high, you can't and you're relying on some
sort of explanation. As long as they don't go too
in depth into it, I'm fine with that. If, uh,
(19:34):
the situation needs it, yeah, I'll find, uh, going overseas. Uh,
certainly a great experience, especially if you have a connection overseas,
which I used to with sports. So you can get
sort of the inside. It's supposed to be a tourist.
You're getting the real. You're living the same as, you know,
you get hosted and you're going back to their their
(19:56):
house and eating their traditional foods. You know, in case
of Japanese, you know, sometimes you're still sleeping on the
floor in Qatar. And you see getting that completely different experience,
which is normal over there but completely different here. So, um,
I really don't think it makes, um, a great deal
of difference.
S3 (20:15):
What's your favorite country that you've traveled to?
S8 (20:17):
I would say Thailand. I found the people there unbelievably friendly. Uh,
not not pushy. Uh, you know, I was only in Bangkok.
That's you getting that big city experience. I just found it.
Just the whole culture and food. Fantastic. Yeah, I'll just
retort that I think Thailand is probably my favorite country. Um,
(20:41):
because of the people. And, um, how I think it's
the Buddhism based religion, or I can only assume is
it very friendly, not a pushy people, as opposed to
if you ever go to Bali, every time you go outside,
they're trying to sell you something, whereas you go to
the markets in Thailand. They're just pretty laid back and
very helpful, very polite. And, um, the food is great. Yeah.
(21:04):
I just just felt very, um, very comfortable there. Fairly safe,
strangely enough, considering Bangkok is a major city, which, you know,
I must have got there in the right days, because
any major city you can have a good experience or
bad experience on the day you arrive. And probably my
second favorite country would be Japan. Um, because of my
(21:24):
judo experience. And I've got the inside hand there. We've
been hosted and, and, um, living the life of, uh,
you know, average Japanese person eating their food and experiencing
their culture, and, and they're very honest country and clean
country as well. So it's, um, they'd be my two
Thailand first and probably Japan second.
S2 (21:50):
I've been to Japan once, and it was a very
long time ago. I've got to say, it was in 1989.
S3 (21:57):
Now you're showing your age, Sam.
S2 (21:58):
Yeah. Um, this was for the Far East and South
Pacific island countries games in Kobe.
S3 (22:04):
Did you win?
S2 (22:05):
I won a few. A few gold medals. Yes. Um, good.
And this was prior to the big earthquake they had
over there. So what's interesting is a lot of what
I would have seen over there, including this hotel we
stayed at, are probably not there anymore because, uh, um,
mid 1990s, there was a major earthquake which flattened large
portions of that city.
S3 (22:24):
Yeah. Yeah, indeed. Well, the only Asian countries I've been
to are Vietnam, Singapore and Hong Kong. And I have
to say, I loved all three of them.
S2 (22:37):
Yeah, there's something special about Southeast Asia and Asia in general.
They seem to, despite whatever problems they might have over there,
they take tourism very seriously. They take hospitality very seriously.
And I think that a lot of other countries can
probably learn from that in that way.
S3 (22:55):
I agree, including Australia.
S2 (22:57):
Anyway, the last lot of people we're talking to is
your friends and Tory.
S9 (23:04):
Yeah. The airport staff were really good and I found
the security was. Yeah, I think it was a really
good experience. Um, like the, the traveling aspect of it,
it sort of opened up my eyes to what other and,
you know, sort of another part of the world was like,
(23:24):
I guess.
S3 (23:24):
Do you feel like your vision impairment impacted the way
that you were able to enjoy, like, tourist attractions when
you went away?
S9 (23:32):
Not really. Not really. I mean, maybe a little bit, but,
you know, I guess I just experienced it with my
other things, with my other senses. I guess that's sort
of how I really look at first.
S2 (23:49):
So at the start of this show, we asked a
question what is the point of traveling if you can't see? So, Lizzy.
S3 (23:55):
Well, I would have to say that the point is
that you can experience the world in so many other
ways than just sight. For example, when I go to
different places, I like to experience the change in weather.
In fact, that's usually the first thing I notice is
the change in weather. And, you know, different cities and
different countries have different paces of life, different bird songs.
(24:19):
It's all about the sensory experience for me. You know,
I like to really absorb myself in the taste and
the sounds and the smells, especially the sounds, though. Sound
is a big thing for me when it comes to
traveling and also just experiencing new things, opening up your
mind to new ideas, new adventures, you know? So that's
(24:43):
the point.
S2 (24:44):
I think my uncle had said he'd noticed something interesting
when I would often describe my travels to other people.
And if people didn't know that I was vision impaired,
they sort of looked at me a bit strangely, because
when I was talking about trips overseas or interstate or whatever,
I wasn't necessarily describing the visuals, even though I can
see a reasonable amount. I was describing the sensations and
(25:07):
the food and all that sort of stuff. So yes,
I'd have to agree with you there. But now let's
just ask everybody else.
S4 (25:19):
But there's a lot more than seeing. Although it is
a very visual thing, and I think people really enjoy
traveling because they can see. I tend to now choose
to go to places that are not too busy, so
it's not too sensory overload for me. So places that
are peaceful and have nice soundscapes and not too. Yeah,
(25:42):
not too busy and noisy can be very enjoyable.
S10 (25:46):
I don't think I'll even merit that with a response.
I just turn away like, yeah, you're you're an idiot, mate.
I'd probably say something else, but. Yeah.
S9 (25:56):
No. Well, there's I think there's a lot of, there's
a lot of point with regards to just travelling and
experiencing the world and, you know, education, you know, just
educating yourself about the world and, And things like that.
I think there is a lot of, you know, like,
(26:17):
I guess prejudice or around sort of all around white
people and what we can do versus what we can't.
And things like that. And I think there's a lot
more education that needs to be had around all that
sort of stuff, because we are all capable. We can
do things we, you know.
S3 (26:35):
Enjoy the same things as well.
S9 (26:37):
Yeah, exactly.
S8 (26:38):
I had a person say to me, what's the point
of traveling if you can't see? And my retort to
that was, why travel when you can watch it on TV?
S2 (26:51):
That's a wrap for this week. A big thank you
to Simon and Maddie, Sean, Alex, Anthony, Josh and Tory.
S3 (26:58):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
That includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network. You
can find a podcast of this program and maybe some
extra content on Apple, Google, Spotify, or your favorite podcast platform.
S2 (27:12):
Next week. It's a recipe for disaster. Two blind contestants
go head to head to cook the perfect dish. Or
at least try not to poison the judges.
S3 (27:22):
But between now and then, please do get in touch
with the show. Whether you have experience of any of
the issues covered on this week's episode of Studio One,
or if you think there's something we should be talking about.
You never know. Your story and insight may help someone
who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (27:37):
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S3 (27:42):
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Yeah, such as Facebook or Instagram by searching for VA
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S1 (27:55):
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This is Studio One with Sam Rickard and Lizzie Eastham
on Vision Australia radio.
S2 (00:23):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzie and this is Studio One,
your weekly look at life from a low vision and
blind point of view. Here on Vision Australia Radio.
S3 (00:31):
This week we're packing our bags, stocking up on the
travel sickness medication and hitting the road.
S2 (00:37):
Our choir of angels once more talk about their experiences
travelling around this land of ours, and to locations all
around the globe.
S3 (00:45):
Also, we ask, what's the point in travelling if you
can't actually see?
S2 (00:49):
As we always say at this point, please do get
in touch with the show. Whether you have experiences of
any of the issues covered on this week's episode of
Studio One, or if you think there is something we
should be talking about, you never know. Your story and
insight may help somebody else who is dealing with something similar.
S3 (01:05):
You can contact us via email at studio One at
Vision Australia. Org. That's studio number one at Vision Australia.
Org or of course you can drop us a note
on the station's Facebook page by going to facebook.com. Radio
network happy birthday Sam. Let's just get that out of
the road first. I am so sorry that I forgot.
S2 (01:26):
Well, I forgot about it too, as I've scheduled a
whole lot of stuff for today. Um, and dear listener, yes,
you may be listening on a Wednesday or whenever. So
we're recording this on the Monday.
S3 (01:37):
As we always do.
S2 (01:38):
And no, I it completely slipped my mind. I think
as you get as anxious as I am, the birthday
just becomes another number. And um, yes. So I'm usually
rather grumpy though when I work on my birthday and well,
I've got no excuse. I forgot about it completely.
S3 (01:53):
Well, I'm glad to hear that you're not so grumpy today.
And also we are joined by a special furry guest
in the studio today I have brought my new Seeing
eye dog, McKenzie, in to work with me today.
S2 (02:06):
And how has that been going for you? I mean,
oh fantastically.
S3 (02:09):
I have to report with a lot of gratitude that
she's nothing like Lacey, which I'm super happy about, because
if any of you know what Lacey was like, oh,
but she was a handful. She is a handful.
S2 (02:21):
Well, what I found interesting is because I scoffed down
lunch just after you arrived, and Mackenzie paid no attention
to me whatsoever. She was quite happy to just look elsewhere.
The only time she actually paid any attention was when
I got up to go and print the script out
for some reason. So yes, a very different personality. What
are some of the other differences you've noticed?
S3 (02:40):
Oh my gosh. Okay, so Mackenzie's pores are bigger than
Lacey's or are we talking just personality differences?
S2 (02:45):
Oh yeah. Well, as a as a dog dog or
a guide dog. Take your pick.
S3 (02:48):
Oh either one. Okay, well, Mackenzie's very fast. She's only
got two speeds. Stop and. Whoa! Steady on, man. Yeah,
she can walk.
S2 (02:57):
So this is the dog for the fitness lover, which
probably suits you quite well. Really?
S3 (03:02):
Oh, yeah. I cannot wait to take her on hikes. Man, I,
I think we're going to be breaking all sorts of
speed records also, as you mentioned. Not so food distracted.
And she's totally and utterly, irrevocably in love with me,
so that's great. I love you too, Kenz. She's my
my little Kenzi. And she's so cute. Oh.
S2 (03:21):
And how's the eastern family? Settling in with two dogs?
S3 (03:27):
Well, Lacey's not at all impressed. In fact, she has
utter contempt and scorn for Mackenzie. Mackenzie is so keen
to please and eager to be friends with everyone. And
Lacey's just like, no, I don't want anything to do
with you. Everybody else loves her, but she loves me.
She she likes them, but she loves me, so it's great.
S2 (03:50):
Well, this week we are going back to, well, travelling.
And of course, asking the question, what's the point in
travelling if you can't actually see? So, uh, have you
you've had some reasonably recent experiences, uh, jumping on planes
and buses and planes, trains and automobiles, you might say.
S3 (04:07):
I have, um, yeah. So earlier this year in March,
Steven and I went with Beyond Blindness to Mount Gambier
for a week. We had to leave Lacey with my
grandparents because, you know, she'd retired, but that was a
lot of fun. Um, what made it even better was
the fact that we were with an organization that specializes in, uh,
you know, being or it's designed for blind people. So
(04:29):
all of the tourist attractions we did were catered to us.
You know, we had guided tours of museums. We got
to touch things. We got audio described, uh, films that
we saw. You know, the Glenelg River cruise that we
went on was like fully described and everything was great.
S2 (04:46):
Well, it's not about us. It's about our choir of angels.
And we've got a few new people in the choir
and a few, uh, that we've spoken to before. But
we ask.
S3 (04:57):
A lot of questions.
S2 (04:58):
A lot of questions and how you how you feel
about traveling. So over to you, Simon.
S4 (05:07):
I have traveled in the state on my own, and
I find Airports and stuff, and the airports tend to
be very helpful. I'm also on the planes. I've only
ever done travel overseas with my wife. There's a lot
more challenges when you're overseas, because often the roads and
(05:29):
traffic conditions are not as blind friendly as a place
like Adelaide. So yeah, we have done quite a few trips, uh,
organized trips and, and travel on our own overseas, but
always with my wife, with a sighted guide.
S3 (05:46):
Do you feel that your vision impairment changes the way
that you're able to enjoy tourist attractions?
S4 (05:52):
I think so. I've only ever had a tiny bit
of vision in the past, but traveling is such a
visual experience. If you could see a tiny bit, even
just a bit of light perception and a few shadows
and color, it seems to make traveling much, so much
more interesting. So traveling these days is more about learning
(06:13):
new ideas. And I've been on trips where the language
you know, that the guides use is not a language
that I can actually understand. But it's true that, um,
even though, you know, without vision, there's a lot of
auditory information and smell and, and food that we can enjoy.
But I do miss that tiny bit of 1%, half
(06:35):
a percent of vision I used to have.
S3 (06:38):
What's the coolest or most interesting place you've ever traveled to?
S4 (06:42):
I have to say, it would have to be Venice
for me, because I remember last time we went there
they had 2 or 3, you know, like quartets and
string orchestras playing in tandem. When one group finishes, the
other group starts. And no wonder you have to pay
so much more. If you buy a cup of coffee
(07:02):
and you take it outside to drink it, because you
can really enjoy the ambiance of the square. One of
the highlights on that day was that, um, we were
able to travel Along down the canals in a gondola
and next to us. So it was a tour group
and we had, I think, four gondolas, and there was
(07:23):
one that had an Italian man who was singing, serenading
us along the canals, um, singing old Italian songs that
I was very familiar with. I didn't want that part
of the trip to end.
S2 (07:39):
Now, I've always wanted to go to Venice. I've got
to say, um, and appreciate it. Well, while it still lasts, really?
Because it's sinking.
S3 (07:47):
I've heard that. Yeah, I've. I've always wanted to go
to Italy in general. Uh, and Europe as well. I
just I've never been to Europe. I have, uh, you know,
family from Holland and things that I'd like to go visit.
But I'm just fascinated by the whole idea of going
and sitting in a gondola and having someone sing at you. Like,
(08:07):
that's just kind of special.
S2 (08:08):
That's the whole point of traveling, really, is that you
don't just have the sights, you have the smells, you
have the, uh, the sounds, you have the experiences. Really. And, uh,
when he was talking about sitting in the gondola, he,
you know, I could actually sort of.
S3 (08:22):
Picture.
S2 (08:22):
It. Picture it? Yeah. So, yeah, it was, uh, a
really wonderful I mean, so me and Heidi's choice of
traveling to multiple locations nowadays is by cruise ship, which
can cause some troubles when you're dealing with someone like,
like Venice, because the harbors aren't big enough for the
big cruise ships. And usually if you're going over to Europe.
S3 (08:43):
You're on a big cruise ship.
S2 (08:44):
You're on a big cruise ship. And also usually there's
more than one ship in harbor at the same time.
So you're not just dealing with a few tourists, you're
dealing with a lot of tourists. So I suspect if yes,
the way to see Venice is probably slightly in the
off season where you can get a little bit of that,
that attention to detail and maybe a one on one
tour of some of the museums and things like that.
S3 (09:06):
That would be amazing.
S2 (09:07):
If anyone out there has ever done something like that,
please let us know. Write us an email and we'll
probably want to talk to you. Yeah. Anyway, next up,
we are talking to Maddie.
S5 (09:19):
Um, yes. I've travelled around Australia a bit, and I've
been overseas to the US a few times. I think
every time I've been through an airport, I've learnt something
new about how to navigate on my own. Um, and
just be more independent. I don't find my vision restricts
me doing touristy things too much. Like, I already do
(09:41):
a lot of pre-planning just to get around as it is.
So yeah, I just pre-plan as much as I can
about getting around and I just see what I can see.
And yeah.
S3 (09:53):
What's the best travel experience you've had? Like you could
be your favorite holiday or favorite place you've been to?
S5 (09:59):
I really love the US. Um, that's definitely been a
favorite place of mine to go. And last year we
had the opportunity to travel over there to do a
World Cup in Huntsville. Yeah, so that was a great trip.
S2 (10:15):
Oh, the US? Um, yeah.
S3 (10:18):
I have not been. And I must confess, it's a
place that I would love to go. I have friends
in the US. Yeah.
S2 (10:25):
Uh, my. I'd love to go back there. I've been
there on a number of different occasions, usually for sporting events.
And it's a strange country, let's put it that way.
I think people who have been to the US would
would recognize this. What I'm talking about. Me personally, I
think I'll avoid the USA, at least for the next
three and a half years or so.
S3 (10:46):
I'd still love to go. Yeah, I just I'd love
to go to Colorado and experience the Rocky Mountains.
S2 (10:54):
I enjoyed going to New York. Um, I enjoyed the
Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C. and apparently that's
got even better now because you can actually walk aboard
a space shuttle. Oh, and yes, I found Chicago to
be a lovely city, for example. And, well, I could
take or leave Atlanta one. There's nothing much to see there.
(11:14):
And two. Um. There was not my best Paralympics, I've
got to say. Okay. Anyway, um, next up.
S3 (11:21):
We have Shaun.
S2 (11:22):
So, what is it you actually ask Shaun?
S3 (11:24):
I believe that I asked him if his vision impacts
his ability to enjoy tourist attractions as much as he
would be able to if he could see.
S6 (11:37):
The obvious answer to to the last part of that
question is yes, because some of it is highly visual
for the stuff that's tactile. However, no. Now as for yes,
I've travelled interstate and I've travelled overseas, uh, before I
moved here. I come here a couple of times, once
by train and once by and yes, once by plane.
S3 (11:56):
Uh, do you find that people are more accommodating to
you because of your vision impairment? Do you find that
it's easy to get assistance?
S6 (12:02):
That depends on the people. For the most part, they
they can be quite accommodating. Uh, you know, there's certain
situations where policy might dictate They can't be. Uh. And
there's nothing you can do about that. Um, uh, except
provide constructive feedback.
S3 (12:22):
Could you tell me about the experience you had earlier
this year? I believe your girlfriend came from overseas, and
you actually went and visited some of South Australia's finest
tourist attractions.
S6 (12:34):
We did, we did, and for the most part, we
were able to experience pretty much everything. Yeah, there was
1 or 2 things like, uh, up on the balcony
at uh, Town Hall in Adelaide, where they got the
photo of the Fab Four. Naturally, you couldn't touch that
because it was a photo. But we were able to,
(12:57):
you know, feel things in the library placards on, say,
Parliament House and also looking around the war memorial, all
that sort of thing. You know, we were able to,
you know, read the writing on the on the plaques there.
S3 (13:09):
And if you can think of the name of the
touring company that you were with, if we ever do
a show.
S6 (13:13):
Flamboyant tours. I think it is.
S3 (13:16):
And did you find that they were accommodating?
S6 (13:19):
She certainly was. She certainly was. We even got, uh,
we even got some menz fruchocs at the end of it.
S3 (13:27):
Ah, good old men's fruit trucks. I wish they would
have saved me some.
S2 (13:31):
Dear listener, if you are listening from elsewhere, then, um. Yes.
Look it up on the internet. You will find that
it is a uniquely South Australian treat. That, uh, yes,
you can sometimes buy in some places.
S3 (13:41):
Wait, you mean to say you can't get them in
the rest of Australia, right?
S2 (13:45):
Well, they're a niche thing. They're kind of like yo
yo biscuits in that way.
S3 (13:50):
How could you possibly live your life not having tried
a fruit choc?
S2 (13:54):
Well, um, it's as I said, it's just this unique
little part of, uh, this particular part of the world. Um,
I'm like like the Barossa Valley, um, and, uh, and such, like. So, uh. Yes.
Dear listener, do yourself a favour. Uh, if you're ever
in this part of the world, get.
S3 (14:09):
Yourself some fruit. Yeah.
S2 (14:11):
So, um, with that bit of, um, location setting. Next,
we're talking to Alex.
S7 (14:18):
Not internationally, but I have been interstate just to Victoria.
Victoria in Canberra, actually, the first instance, I flew to
Melbourne and then drove to Canberra. The vision was only
just starting to go then so I could still navigate. Okay,
my night time vision was virtually gone by that stage though,
(14:39):
and I didn't have a white cane at that point.
I was using a walking stick because it was at
least a visual for people to say that there was
an issue with mobility, and I used it to judge
the distances of curves and stuff like that too.
S3 (14:52):
How has your vision impacted your ability to enjoy tourist
attractions and things like that.
S7 (14:57):
For things that are extremely visual, obviously is difficult because
you've got to have someone with you with a knack
for description. I actually recently, for those in South Australia,
went to the Adelaide Museum for their Viking exhibit. The.
It's the Galloway hoard. It's still at the museum. What
they've actually got is they've got audio description, QR codes
(15:23):
all throughout the exhibit and at the start that you
can scan and it will actually direct you right around
the exhibit and describe the big pieces that are in there.
You can completely navigate this exhibit using the audio description.
S3 (15:37):
Just on your iPhone.
S7 (15:39):
On the phone. You just scan the QR code and
away you go.
S3 (15:42):
That's amazing. I had never heard of anything like that.
S7 (15:45):
I hadn't either until we actually looked it up and
it was like, oh, well, that's interesting. And then I
actually yeah, we did it. I was with mum that
day and mum had just clicked the QR code for
me and away we went. But yeah, you could literally
navigate the entire exhibit via the QR code because what
they've actually done is the left hand wall as you're
(16:06):
walking around, is specifically has no exhibits on it, so
actually guides you to the wall and you follow the
wall around with your hand. It's been designed specifically for
that purpose.
S2 (16:23):
So QR codes, um, they've been around for an awful
long time, but prior to the pandemic, I think everyone
just assumed there was some bizarre form of, I don't know,
pavement art or something like that. Yeah, they sort of
came into their own when we had to check in everywhere,
and all of a sudden now, well, they've always been everywhere,
but now we actually know what they do.
S3 (16:42):
Yeah. Actually, come to think of it, um, and I
can't believe I forgot about it at the time, but
back in 2016 or 2017, there was an Anzac Day
thing at the museum and it was the same thing.
They had these little, um, like memorial type things and
plaques and signs and artifacts. And there was a, you know,
(17:03):
when you go to the cinema and you wear those
audio descriptive, uh, like the earphones and then you've got
the little box, it was like that. And you just
point the box at the thing and press the thing,
and it would tell you the story of what each
artifact was. So as my auntie was going around reading
everything and looking at the things, I would be listening
to the audio. And as you moved through each part
(17:24):
of the museum, the audio would like catch up with
where you were at.
S2 (17:28):
It really demonstrates that sometimes the organisers and people who
run these things will do things for one reason, and
they will have overflow benefits really. So yes, they probably
initially installed those for people like ourselves who could get
the benefit from it. But all of a sudden there
are other people with slightly poor sight or who are
(17:50):
more interested in learning about more of this. And so
it actually is kind of the equivalent of of yes,
the wheelchair ramp that gets used by Pram users, for example.
S3 (17:59):
Like you said, not just people with poor sight, but
like the signs and the plaques were long. So this
audio description thing would read as well as give you
background into the artifact that you were looking at, which
you could see it would read the plaque like my
auntie got a set of headphones just because she was like,
I don't want to read all this. This is a
lot of reading and, uh, you'll be halfway around the
(18:20):
thing by the time I've read 1 or 2 artifacts.
So yeah, it was actually quite interesting. I found it
really fascinating.
S2 (18:26):
Well, lots of writing in a museum tends to put
me off doing things. I've got to admit, even if
it's nice, large writing, it's still. It's like even a
decent print point will still have me essentially inhaling the
plaque that I'm reading as opposed to, uh, to reading it.
S3 (18:41):
So Stevens is saying I never goes to museums.
S2 (18:43):
Next up Anthony. Anthony has always got a lot, a
lot to say on any given subject, and this is
no different.
S8 (18:53):
It depends on why you go. Never sees him. What
are you doing overseas and the people you're traveling with?
You've got good people traveling with. You'll get some sort
of explanation of what's going on. Um, but at the
same time, your normal sort of cultural difference, different foods,
different language, like you go to different into countries where
(19:13):
we're used to having footpaths here. Some places don't have footpaths.
They get all those normal things that don't require sight.
When it comes down to architecture and things like that, um,
sometimes you can feel to smooth things, but obviously if
it's up high, you can't and you're relying on some
sort of explanation. As long as they don't go too
in depth into it, I'm fine with that. If, uh,
(19:34):
the situation needs it, yeah, I'll find, uh, going overseas. Uh,
certainly a great experience, especially if you have a connection overseas,
which I used to with sports. So you can get
sort of the inside. It's supposed to be a tourist.
You're getting the real. You're living the same as, you know,
you get hosted and you're going back to their their
(19:56):
house and eating their traditional foods. You know, in case
of Japanese, you know, sometimes you're still sleeping on the
floor in Qatar. And you see getting that completely different experience,
which is normal over there but completely different here. So, um,
I really don't think it makes, um, a great deal
of difference.
S3 (20:15):
What's your favorite country that you've traveled to?
S8 (20:17):
I would say Thailand. I found the people there unbelievably friendly. Uh,
not not pushy. Uh, you know, I was only in Bangkok.
That's you getting that big city experience. I just found it.
Just the whole culture and food. Fantastic. Yeah, I'll just
retort that I think Thailand is probably my favorite country. Um,
(20:41):
because of the people. And, um, how I think it's
the Buddhism based religion, or I can only assume is
it very friendly, not a pushy people, as opposed to
if you ever go to Bali, every time you go outside,
they're trying to sell you something, whereas you go to
the markets in Thailand. They're just pretty laid back and
very helpful, very polite. And, um, the food is great. Yeah.
(21:04):
I just just felt very, um, very comfortable there. Fairly safe,
strangely enough, considering Bangkok is a major city, which, you know,
I must have got there in the right days, because
any major city you can have a good experience or
bad experience on the day you arrive. And probably my
second favorite country would be Japan. Um, because of my
(21:24):
judo experience. And I've got the inside hand there. We've
been hosted and, and, um, living the life of, uh,
you know, average Japanese person eating their food and experiencing
their culture, and, and they're very honest country and clean
country as well. So it's, um, they'd be my two
Thailand first and probably Japan second.
S2 (21:50):
I've been to Japan once, and it was a very
long time ago. I've got to say, it was in 1989.
S3 (21:57):
Now you're showing your age, Sam.
S2 (21:58):
Yeah. Um, this was for the Far East and South
Pacific island countries games in Kobe.
S3 (22:04):
Did you win?
S2 (22:05):
I won a few. A few gold medals. Yes. Um, good.
And this was prior to the big earthquake they had
over there. So what's interesting is a lot of what
I would have seen over there, including this hotel we
stayed at, are probably not there anymore because, uh, um,
mid 1990s, there was a major earthquake which flattened large
portions of that city.
S3 (22:24):
Yeah. Yeah, indeed. Well, the only Asian countries I've been
to are Vietnam, Singapore and Hong Kong. And I have
to say, I loved all three of them.
S2 (22:37):
Yeah, there's something special about Southeast Asia and Asia in general.
They seem to, despite whatever problems they might have over there,
they take tourism very seriously. They take hospitality very seriously.
And I think that a lot of other countries can
probably learn from that in that way.
S3 (22:55):
I agree, including Australia.
S2 (22:57):
Anyway, the last lot of people we're talking to is
your friends and Tory.
S9 (23:04):
Yeah. The airport staff were really good and I found
the security was. Yeah, I think it was a really
good experience. Um, like the, the traveling aspect of it,
it sort of opened up my eyes to what other and,
you know, sort of another part of the world was like,
(23:24):
I guess.
S3 (23:24):
Do you feel like your vision impairment impacted the way
that you were able to enjoy, like, tourist attractions when
you went away?
S9 (23:32):
Not really. Not really. I mean, maybe a little bit, but,
you know, I guess I just experienced it with my
other things, with my other senses. I guess that's sort
of how I really look at first.
S2 (23:49):
So at the start of this show, we asked a
question what is the point of traveling if you can't see? So, Lizzy.
S3 (23:55):
Well, I would have to say that the point is
that you can experience the world in so many other
ways than just sight. For example, when I go to
different places, I like to experience the change in weather.
In fact, that's usually the first thing I notice is
the change in weather. And, you know, different cities and
different countries have different paces of life, different bird songs.
(24:19):
It's all about the sensory experience for me. You know,
I like to really absorb myself in the taste and
the sounds and the smells, especially the sounds, though. Sound
is a big thing for me when it comes to
traveling and also just experiencing new things, opening up your
mind to new ideas, new adventures, you know? So that's
(24:43):
the point.
S2 (24:44):
I think my uncle had said he'd noticed something interesting
when I would often describe my travels to other people.
And if people didn't know that I was vision impaired,
they sort of looked at me a bit strangely, because
when I was talking about trips overseas or interstate or whatever,
I wasn't necessarily describing the visuals, even though I can
see a reasonable amount. I was describing the sensations and
(25:07):
the food and all that sort of stuff. So yes,
I'd have to agree with you there. But now let's
just ask everybody else.
S4 (25:19):
But there's a lot more than seeing. Although it is
a very visual thing, and I think people really enjoy
traveling because they can see. I tend to now choose
to go to places that are not too busy, so
it's not too sensory overload for me. So places that
are peaceful and have nice soundscapes and not too. Yeah,
(25:42):
not too busy and noisy can be very enjoyable.
S10 (25:46):
I don't think I'll even merit that with a response.
I just turn away like, yeah, you're you're an idiot, mate.
I'd probably say something else, but. Yeah.
S9 (25:56):
No. Well, there's I think there's a lot of, there's
a lot of point with regards to just travelling and
experiencing the world and, you know, education, you know, just
educating yourself about the world and, And things like that.
I think there is a lot of, you know, like,
(26:17):
I guess prejudice or around sort of all around white
people and what we can do versus what we can't.
And things like that. And I think there's a lot
more education that needs to be had around all that
sort of stuff, because we are all capable. We can
do things we, you know.
S3 (26:35):
Enjoy the same things as well.
S9 (26:37):
Yeah, exactly.
S8 (26:38):
I had a person say to me, what's the point
of traveling if you can't see? And my retort to
that was, why travel when you can watch it on TV?
S2 (26:51):
That's a wrap for this week. A big thank you
to Simon and Maddie, Sean, Alex, Anthony, Josh and Tory.
S3 (26:58):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
That includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network. You
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S2 (27:12):
Next week. It's a recipe for disaster. Two blind contestants
go head to head to cook the perfect dish. Or
at least try not to poison the judges.
S3 (27:22):
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You never know. Your story and insight may help someone
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S2 (27:37):
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S2 (27:47):
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