April 15, 2025 • 58 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Something went on here, something on there?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
And this time on t n T we hear about
Ja's latest limblifter show with Odds. We hear about Johno's
news show Pretty Blind, and what are the two things
you can do to lend steal my sunshine? That's all
coming up right now on tn T.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey boy, it's been a minute, Bob, been a minute.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
In a minute, in a minute, gonep it's been too long.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Though, to be back, pleasure is entirely mine.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hey, I was just telling you about reading glasses, like
I've come to the point now where I can't go
without them. Like before I could actually stretch the arm
out and get a little visual, but now it's gone
like full on stone blind close up.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I know there was a hot minute where it was
like getting the girls across the restaurant table. Can you
guys just hold the menu for me? Yeah, because I
can see that, no problem. Then I tried thee like
I'm gonna take out my phone and zoom in with
my camera on the menu. I just have to accept
that I'm a guy who needs glasses to read things.
Now I was so happy to be not like getting
(01:19):
my eyes fixed like twenty years ago or whatever it
was to not have to worry about glasses. But now
here I am carrying and always is a shitty glasses,
like super shitty glasses like that are gonna be broken.
Have you noticed how they make like the holes where
the arms go, they don't have a hole through the bottom.
(01:42):
They only have a hole through the top for the
screw No, I know, yeah, for sure, they don't have
the hole through the bottom because it like takes out
another six months that you can use them by putting
like a garbage bag tied through. All right, have you
done the garbage time? No? I tried, Like I broke
(02:03):
a pair, like I had three pairs or whatever, and
a couple of them are so scratched up. But there
was this one awesome fresh pair where it was like
no scratches on the lenses. But the screws were a
little bit loose, right, so I had to tighten them
up a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But then like.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Screwdriver in history, yes, yes, and then which you can't
see because you don't have your glasses on exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So I'm wearing the scraped ones to do the work,
just to tighten it up.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But all of a sudden, the.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Screw's gone, like the arm's gone. So I'm looking around.
There's nothing, So.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm like, okay, I don't want to drive to.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Shoppers and whatever it is, Right, the best move is
like the dollar store, right because for glasses, Yeah, because
the cheapest there. Because they're always gonna ach or something anyway,
so there's no point in spending eighteen dollars when you
can get the same pair for two bucks.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Did you get them maps that come hard in the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No, I can't wear a head gear.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I can't do those.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So anyway, I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I tried to get the garbage tied through the hole,
but I'm like, oh my god, there's no hole at
the bottom. So I'm like, I just threw them in
the garbage. It's like they literally have like a hack.
So you have to buy a new pair.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Sheep, but yes, because they're going to bio degrade on
your face in the first three wearings.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, either you misplaced them number one, number two, you
sit on them and they get crushed and they're designed
for like no, you can't do anything. They're so fragile alright,
Like you sit on it a little bit and you
pick them up and they're all like something out or
if they're the bendy kind.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
They're all hollowing. Yeah, the bendy ones are the word.
So do you are these like clear lenses with no
frame around them, like flimsy arms and just two pieces
of glass on your head.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, these ones are the plastic like creaky ones. But
but they're all scraped to fuck on the front.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Like the lenses are really like brutal. So are they clear?
Like what what's around the glass?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
They're black frames, so kind of like just like stupid
dad glasses, like like uncomfortable with when I have to
wear them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Luckily, Carol sells glasses at the shoe store. Also get
a few different kind of high end pairs.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Remember when we were on the road and I grabbed
you some shades for the drive. No, I came back
in from the gas station and gave you, yeah, terrible.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Like back of your neck glasses.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
They were like super blained out member of like diamonds
crusted for hours off from Fort Mack driving to Calgary glasses. Well,
they look like that, like something you would wear, like
something Nelly Fritado would wear on a red carbon.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
They were the true religion, gene of glasses.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So wide.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
We covered this country and then some yeah, road, a
lot of d a lot of driving, like literally victorious
and Jan's yeah, I know, crazy good. We got to
get back out there. Yes, I was thinking about the
show that we did in Montreal the other day and
how Bartsy was there and Kyle Bukacs and Jared Kiso
(06:01):
drove back from the cottage with Meg to be a guest.
It was not well attended, it wasn't great, and I
remember feeling like, oh man, I'm so bummed out that
he drove back from the cottage for this, because I know,
you know when you make plans and you know you
have to turn your life upside down to accommodate them,
(06:22):
because you don't want to be the guy that bails
on it, but you probably would choose to not do
it as it sneaks up. It was kind of him
to come, kind of like if we were to be
routing a tour and to be putting a Montreal show
or not exactly probably not, we would probably not, but
in the spirit of Canadianity, we did.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But by all accounts, that's a rough tough nut to crack, right.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
It really is yeah, unless you have something there that
people can know about something going like for the band
it was music pluse. Having a having an inn there really.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Kind of kickstarted everything. Yeah, but that's uh well, I.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Mean we kind of did some action thanks to to
Bruce Hills at the just for laugh true story, which
is sadly now not a thing really the same level that.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's funny that Ottawa and Calgary were always banging for us.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, just banging.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, most most places were banging.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Saskatoon, I know, we did Regina on a snowstorm and
it was it was good. Did we did Saskatoon? Yeah,
where's Amigos?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, right, Saskatoon. Yeah, that was crazy. Amigos was not. Yeah,
it was bumping. It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
They all Toronto, great times across the board. Just had
a little weird kind of gap there a night, but
at least we had good company.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
The day that it was the day that Gordon died
that we did the Toronto Toronto and supposed to be
there and who couldn't come? Jay couldn't come, so Stephen
Broger and Sneake from Degrassi came in his stead. That's right, Yes,
and was there was fun, good people, good times. Anyway,
we got to get back out there, Yes we do.
(08:27):
Let us know where should we come back to and
what venues should we play at? Let us know on
the Graham or that we still do have a little
corner of Twitter on the T n T Twitter do
we Yep, that's still alive. How's it going over there?
Why did they miss anything?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
If I if I'm ever posting a pod or for
a little whatever from a bad there's just this is
the deluge of like toxic.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Core of buying daily bs.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, that's on there. It's unbelievable. Yeah, not a good place.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I was having conversation this morning with a friend of
mine who owns a furniture store in Burrough and we're
talking about the tariffs, and I said, how is business
for you? And he said, well, you know, it's the
upside is there's a surge of Canadian pride and people
are by Canadian and that's all awesome. But he said,
for example, appliances, I think they originate here and have
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to get sent down to the States for some part
of the process and then come back and they get
a lot of tariff each way.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, that had not occurred to me. Yeah, there's a
lot of stuff that goes back and forth for parts
or whatever, and that's that's a big that's why it's
affecting so many different people and industries that it's and
it's ridiculous and pointless. So yeah, it's like it's been
such a while, so we've been talking that all this
(10:01):
stuff has been the shit has really been hitting the
fan on a lot of different levels. It has been
at globally. How how much are you I don't mean
globally as in around the world, I mean bigger picture
in your life. How much are you of your time
and energy are you choosing to devote to panic and
(10:22):
terror and following it daily?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, I mean it only takes fifteen minutes to get
that a dose of what's you know, you try to
be aware, but it's yeah, it's it's very upsetting when
you have kids and you see the kind of in
a sense crumbling if it continues this way of America
(10:50):
and the difference of what we remember it to be.
And it's terrifying to be Canadian knowing that that's like, right.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's part of us.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So I saw I think it was sitting back helping
hoping it ends right, but I don't think it is.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That's a scary part.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I saw Bill Maher say he's the most honest politician
in history, and everyone laughed, but then he was like,
I'm actually being quite serious. He telegraphed everything he was
planning to do, like none of this is a surprise.
He's just following through on exactly what he said he
would do if he was elected. So there's he's there
(11:34):
is no wait a secon. We feel fleeced.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, because he lies every time you ask him what
he's done or what he's doing, because it's like, oh,
what are you doing? It is certainly not being honest
about his relationship with Russia and Putin, Like he's calling
him today and it's like what are they talking about?
Doesn't say what he's talking about. It's like it's just
the way things been going.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It sounds like the benchmark of somebody that's been lobbied
and taken over by somebody.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Else, Like the talking points of Donald Trump and his
cabinet are really kind of just benchmarks in the propaganda
that Putin has been given them, and it's just sounding
more and more like their allies in more regards and
just dealing with this Ukraine thing.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Also el Mak who's kind of buying his way into
various countries around the world, which is kind of wild
and scary. Well, I think the money that remember the
old banks or whoever funded Trump in the eighties, because
American banks would have had had had it with him,
(12:51):
because he was just you know, starting and stopping all
over the place with bankrupting casinos and pissing off contractors
that the Russian banks were happy to have them. And
I don't know, maybe Elon has a lot of when
you're that wealthy and the richest people in the world,
and it just becomes a pretty small room. I imagine
(13:12):
there's probably a bunch of oligarchs in there. Oli gorks Ola,
gorks Oli, Gorkacs, Oligrkacs. It is like anything, you want
to be aware and informed and up to it, but
also fear and panic and a sense of foreboding. Those
(13:34):
are not emotions that are supposed to be sustained for
any great length of time. The thing that I find
especially kind of weird is the pressure to represent on
your social media like stuff that comes across my cranium
(13:56):
that I don't agree with. Or a jet to or like,
how much is it my responsibility to use my social
media platform to share my views about everything?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know? I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I don't think you have to do anything. I mean,
I don't think it matters to be honest in terms of.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think you have to have an understanding that you know,
give give if you're open and people know who you are,
like for example, me, like I used to say things
on Twitter, I don't. I'm not on there anymore, but
I'll post funny memes or pictures that kind of reflect
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or thoughtful memes or information that I find interesting or
good perspectively on what's happening on Instagram, Like, I'll do that,
And I don't know, and that's just because I've always
been like that.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I think it's more.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The the humor that's involved in it, the dark humor,
I guess definitely, also also the reality reality of it. Definitely,
it's I would say it's more in my case. First
of all, I don't I still don't really understand Instagram
(15:29):
and how when I have a funny joke or something
that I want to share, it doesn't feel like the
forum for it the way Twitter did, and Secondly, maybe
it's PTSD from Twitter, but I as self preservation. Maybe
I just don't want to engage exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's not like because there was a time when you
definitely were outspoken with things that you felt like, whatever
it was politically or some things that are happening locally
around you. Yeah, sure, but the blowback it gets out
of hand to the point where you're like, you know what, man,
fuck this, forget about it. So I get that too,
(16:10):
because people are actually welcome to do that, because it
really is.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
At some point, I saw a great picture. It just
had a little photo photograph of a caricature of a
skull and the brain was, you know, like a fuel
tank on empty and the mouth was on full. Oh wow,
(16:37):
that's it, because you're dealing with people that just our
mouth breathing blah blah bullshit, and it's like, okay, whether
you have the time to take up to talk back
or you know what, forget it, there's no point really. Again,
it goes back to the smartest people I ever met
(16:58):
in my life had were either afraid of microphones or
didn't want to do anything with They didn't even like
talking on the phone. You know the type of people
I'm talking about. Yeah, they just do not Even the
idea of computers and social media just doesn't come to
them at all because they're busy living life outside of
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it and realized before getting sucked into technology that they
knew that that was going to happen. Yes, you know,
an addiction that's no different than anything else. They're often
also the quieter masks in the room.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, it's hard to be that way, but man, they're
getting the most fulfilling deal in life.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I know. I learned so much from my wife all
the time. She is very economical with her words, and
they are very effective because she doesn't speak unless she
has something to say, and people always listen. And she's
not the loudest voice in the room, but her words
carry great weight because she doesn't feel the need to
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fill the space the way you know her husband does. Sometimes.
I don't know why. I think it's my responsibility to
keep the conversational ball up in the air. But you're
just like ever since you were a kid, like you
just never wanted awkward moments to ever happen again. I guess,
like I have a friend whose theory is you end
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up doing for a living kind of who you are
as a person. So if I'm a host at sort
of my role at Sobey's and at the dinner table
and at the gas pump, and for whatever reason, like
sometimes I'll get in the car and think, what why
would they answer those six questions? I peppered at them
when they're just trying to buy a pack of gum?
(18:47):
I know.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
See, that's the show, the social experiment. That's the show
that you never have done. That is the most appealing
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's just like you.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Being you, which is literally interviewing strangers throughout the day
across the like in the most random from elevators to
gas pumps. And I've been with you where it's like
I'm just like not talking at all because I'm like
that sometimes so I'll just be like a fly on
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the wall to this stuff and it's like I'll remember,
I'm like, how do.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You do that? Like how do you have the energy
to do all that?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's unbelievable really, So it's so hard for me to
think to do that. I get just tired thinking about it.
It's it's a couple of things. One is genuine I
mean nosiness slash curiosity and and the other thing is
the more I ask people about themselves, the less I
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have to reveal about myself.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I wonder if if like I wonder if like sit
just not saying anything is more difficult, though it is difficult,
I think, yeah, most right, like just not saying anything
and staring at the numbers, you feel like it's dead
air on the radio or something that what like what
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happened on your head there?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Like what feeling is that? Because that's it's it is.
It's got to be a fear based.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Thing interesting because it's talking with strangers.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Right. Otherwise it's like like I'm the opposite where I
get afraid to talk.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I think you're afraid of the silence.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
And what it might reveal because I know if I
add like there's certain guys that I can do with you,
you're like, no, no, we're not doing that. And it's
usually like some some kind of like where it's more
intimate and private and quiet.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You don't like you know what I mean, You don't
like that at all?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
No, you shut right, I'd rather talk to five hundred
people through a microphone. See that. This is uh. I'm
actually kind of shy and people are surprised to hear
that because I can talk to a Sobey's bag. But
I would prefer one on five hundred to one on
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one most of the time.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
True, Well, outside of your personal family and friend, of course, yeah, definitely,
but that's when dealing with strangers.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You get on a flight to the Maritimes, and you know,
sometimes it's after a red eye and I'm coming home
from Vegas and I just want to get home and
crawl in bed. And you sit down on the flight
and drawn out to Halifax, and the person sits beside you,
and inevitably there's a going home or out for work
or like I think it's also just an East Coast
thing that it's it's a it's an invasive friendliness.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, it's like you can't just not ask where someone
came from.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And what they're up to working hard or Hawksley work man.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's yeah, it is kind of Yeah, it's like the
investigator thing, like I'm sitting next to you for the
next five hours.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I Gotta find out what the hell it is you're doing.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, And people will sometimes just bait the hook and
throw it out there like, well, I guess we'll see
if they're on time this one, then I guess, like
just kind of floating a statement to see if you bite.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's like the.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
First guy's like, I'm a software engineer, I got three kids,
I've got my wife's once and then.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Again he passes out right away just because that's one.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, right, I guess his quick right here it is, Yeah,
software engineer going out for work for two days. I
go out twice a month. Yes, I love it too,
shuts his Okay, must be nice like offending the East Coasters, Like, well,
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I've had other questions in that. Just rightfle off, you're
going down.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Your favorite time, like favorite flavorite chips, just like a.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Couple of randoms because you know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
To keep Yeah, guys, I know it's lobster season.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, so Jr.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
For the last month, I have been directing our television
program for AMI, which is Accessible Media Inc. Mark and
I wrote it together forward and it is called Pretty Blind.
Was I telling you about this?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Tell me? Tell me about it more.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It stars a woman named Jenny Bovard who has a
podcast called Low Vision Moments. Jenny has albinism and low
vision and she is a marathon runner and she is
a goldball athlete. We did an episode about goalball. Jenny
competes nationally. So it's a sport that was invented after
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World War Two for masks who have sustained like visual
injuries in the war. And the idea is, imagine you
put on dark blackout glasses. Three players on each team,
like a big water polo net on either end of
a gym, and you throw a ball that's three pounds
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that has a bell in it, and you have to
try to figure out where it is and try to
keep it out of your net and hurl it back
down to the other end of the gym and try
to score. So you're trying to catch it or like
block it. There's a lot of sliding and diving and
you we do.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You wear a helmet? No, come on, they.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Wear like padded shorts because of the sliding and diving
and stuff. But it is one of the coolest, like, like,
the idea of the sport is really cool. Then we
had in our storyline it's one team against another, so
we had six actors. They're really they're goalball players with
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low vision playing against each other and watching sport be
played in person is bananas. It's it's home sad as
things I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
So they're wearing over their eyes like blackouts, so there's
you can't see anything.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yes, and and so this was There are two low
vision actors kind of in our main cast. One is
Jenny and one is Dan. Dan Bearroberger is a stand
up comic by trade and super funny guy has a
new baby, total sweetheart. So we asked on day one,
like what is what are the things that you wish
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people knew? And both of them were aligned on this.
People think blind is blind, but for example, Jenny needs
very low light and Dan needs lots of light, so
there are many different shades of gray and degrees of
blindness in the world. Yeah, So to make sure that
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all the goal ball players have an even playing field,
everyone has to put on these black blackout goggles, which
the ref will actually come around and check.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So how big is the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's it's like basketball size and it's hard plastic and
has a bell in it. So the first thing the
ref does is say quiet please, and everyone in the
place has to be quiet so that the athletes can
hear the ball coming.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
So you can hear whistling at your head for example,
like fast.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So they communicate with each other like I think it's
on the right side, like sort of strategizing. So the
team that's about to throw can kind of tiptoe and
cross paths with each other. So I'm going to end
up actually throwing from the right side, even though you
know I caught it in the center. So it's all
listening to where they use ball is It's like using
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your internal sonar hearing exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So I'm really energized after doing this show because from
a storytelling standpoint, you realize all the tricks of the
trade that you normally use for a sited audience. For example,
George and Jerry are at a diner, now they're at
Jerry's apartment. For a sited audience, you just use that
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wide shot of the apartment building at night, and everyone
watching goes, okay, got it, they're at the apartment now.
Now imagine you can't see how do you convey to
the audience we're at the apartment now. So sound effects
for example, like slamming of cupboard doors as Jerry looks
for cereal, like if that's the audible queue that we've
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changed locations, and the audience will track what's happening in
our case, there's a library in our story, so we'll
hear the bump don't don't of a book return, so
the audience is like, oh got it. Also storytelling for
a low vision audience, I would use your name more
morning Jeremy, morning Jonathan, so that the audience goes, oh
got it, I know who's in the scene. We also
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came up with the idea that each of the characters,
the kind of the main characters, has their own primary
color for their wardrobe. So Jenny's always in red, Sandy
the library manager, is always in kind of yellow, so
that if you squint, you can tell who's who. But
here here's the big one. Comedically, if someone like imagine
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a Kramer character and imagine watching a scene with Kramer
in it, and you can't see any of the physicality
that happens when he comes in the door like that,
so you have to imagine watching the scene with your
eyes closed. Can you still tell who the character? Kind
of this, so if someone takes up a lot of space,
it has to be a thing that happens with verbal
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and vocal energy. A funny shirt, a pratfall, a site gag,
a wide shot, all the tricks of the trade of
this visual medium don't necessarily work here.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
So the the other thing is, if there's an uncomfortable pause,
it has to be short enough that the described video
map doesn't have to pop in and say Jenny looks
sideways at her coworker Eve, because comedically that kind of
rocks the boat a little bit. So, yeah, you're thinking.
(29:39):
That always really fun, Yeah, to try to come up
with a new way of conveying these comedic ideas. So
it was a really interesting and fun challenge, and I
think for Jenny pretty fun to get to shine a
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light on some of the everyday frustrations. She has a
great sense of humor and laughs easily and loves a
joke and loves being the butt of a joke. Like
there's nothing precious about her. She's awesome. But imagine, like
the show is called pretty Blind because everywhere she goes
people are like, wait, a sec, I saw you walk
in here, though, like trying to trip her up or
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catch her in the question how blind are you? So
her answer is pretty blind? Sense, and everywhere she goes
people are like, you're blind, but you're so pretty. She's
a really weird thing to say to say to someone.
Another thing that I've kind of just generally learned from
Carol is you don't have to say anything at all.
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And this goes for anybody if it's about someone's like,
even well intended but misguided is almost worse than being
outright rude. People were like, I like your hair. Your
hair looks softer. Can I touch your hair? Or all
the almost like the Canadian cliches people will say to her.
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I had an albino in my class. We called him
Whitey Or do you know Kenny from Monkton. He's in
albino too, like all the things that when you hear
out loud are like, come on, everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Do better? Yeah, unreal?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
So what's what stage are you at? In terms of
the show, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Just finished shooting this past Friday, and we did six
half hour episodes and they go to air July eighth
on Ami Nice. Why Yeah, So that show goes up
July eighth, and the other show we did, which is
called zero to sixty, goes up on Bell five May
(31:52):
twenty second. I think it's the first Nova Scotia sitcom
starring an almost exclusively African Nova Scotian cast so really
excited about that. One too. Went to the Nova Scotia
Community College and asked about the animation students making the
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opening for the show, so they baked it into their curriculum.
The openings kind of cartooning and like, remember student Bodies
barely it's like that.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I remember hearing about it as a kid. Yeah, you
don't remember student Bodies.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It was not a kid like I think I was.
What is that late eighties?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I would say it was more like mid to late nineties.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's why I didn't see it because I was on
tool ahh yeah. Interesting. So you have a pop culture gap.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I do, yeah, because you know when I was six
seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty, I was on the road, mostly
in the States. No internet, no internet, and yeah, no
you're gone back then when you're leaving your elite left.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Hey one thing about now, it's lighter later, bod, Yeah,
sure is lighter later. Let's take a break and then
I'll tell you about the limb lifter with the odds
showing Vancouver. All right, brb.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Abo, Hey we're back, Uh, we're back.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I have to mention a huge loss to the t
and t family. Uh, Tim lost his dad, the legendary
Max Oxford, a man that I loved dearly. And if
it wasn't for Max, I wouldn't know Tim. Because Max
was nice enough as a father to you know, seek
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me out as a as a drummer for some lessons
and that's how the relationship began with his family.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
He was a.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Legend in can he and golf as well as just
an incredible father. I mean, he's the type of dad
that you always would wish everyone to have. He was
so loving, had so many friends, just a beautiful guy.
It's just super sad and just feel feel for Tim.
It's a huge loss. I mean he lost his mother
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and now he's lost his dad. So it's just very
sad for Tim. I love him very much and I'm
thinking about him a lot right now. So yeah, Max
socks for rest in peace, big, big legendary, the point man.
They used to call him the point man. Why Hockey
like just rocked it, crushed it. And I guess hockey
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growing up and became the point man just can always
like you just fire it to him and you're good
to go. That's a good well or I guess he
was just feeding everybody. Just dirty, easy goals, right, just
classic beauty.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I love that he and Tim were so close.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, and it's always the way when we lose someone
we love, like when it happens relatively quickly, as I
understand it, he's pretty healthy guy.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, it was unexpected that.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
He was always that guy like that's just such a
champion for everything that Tim was doing. He was there,
just the widest and biggest smile and so proud and
loving it. Just one of those dads that's just like
if you do something, it's just the it just makes
them light up, you know. I feel like for the
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people left behind. I mean this is something I think
about a lot. If someone has an illness that drags
on for many years and it's hard to watch them suffer,
at least you get a chance to sort of brace
yourself and know it's coming, and maybe the chance to
say goodbye. All things considered, I have to assume for
the person leaving, a kind of quicker departure is probably best. Yeah, Well,
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being sick for a long time is not. It's not
good at all. I mean, that's that's terrible. So yeah,
I mean, never it was a sudden I think a
fall an accident, and at least Tim could come. Tim
had to come back from Los Angeles to see him,
but it was nice enough to be able to talk
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to him and be with him. Great. Yeah, so tell
me again he sought you out for drum lessons for
himself or for Tim?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
For Tim?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, and how he got in touch with you through
the golf community.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Well, he worked, he was he headed titleist at the time. Oh,
I didn't know that Canada. Yeah, so he I don't
know how he found out, but I was doing lessons
for a drum store and he got one for Tim and.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
He was like, hey, my young fellow is kind of
interested in the drums.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, yeah, Tim had just started.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
He had his own band that were kind of like
a high school band where he was just starting out
with his brother Josh.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So yeah, he was just getting into it. But kudos
to Tim because he was one of those students that
just not He wasn't more of a friend than a student,
that's for sure, because it wasn't like I just give
him regimented drum lessons. Ever, it was just like he'd
ask questions and watch and just learned from that respect
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paradidal camp.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah for sure. Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
It's just amazing to see that he was there. I
was doing all that stuff and now he's there doing
all that stuff, and it was it was great to
see his dad kinda.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Be there to enjoy a lot of it. So you
had your own friendship with Max too.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, and the whole family Nancy his mom, and Josh
is his brother. I would go over there and hang
out for sure, like have dinner and stuff. Just a
really great family, type of family that you just kind
of envy as a kid, Like, wow, that's what. That's
how it's gotta be. Just so much love.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And and just support for everybody, you know. Awesome. I'm
I'm so glad Tim got to see him, because that's
that's no fun being far away and hearing this, Like
imagine how long that flight was. Yeah, but I'm so
glad you got to see him and got to have
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him as a dad. But as I I texted him,
it doesn't matter what age you are. That's a big
life page turn right there.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It is. It is a parent loss is huge.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's interesting. I find myself quoting my mom now more
than ever, Like it's been whatever eight seven or eight years. Yeah,
and for some reason lately I'm like, well, my mom
always said she was sneaky wise. Yeah, but just a
good reminder that these people stay with us in one
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form or another, whether it's your backswing or advice that
you picked up along the way.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Absolutely, for sure, the good, Yeah, the parents' stuff sticks around,
the good and the bad.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
On the subject of drumming, Indigo has her third lesson today.
She's taken drum lessons in town. She's taken drum lessons. Yeah,
she's taking drum lessons and it's rocking.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
How's it going.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
It's it's going well, Like the the teacher is, you know,
starting kind of with the history of the drum and
the names of all the drums and how you hold
the sticks, like really starting at the start.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
So with piano two, she's learning properly, Like I'm sort
of self taught a little bit on a few different things,
but she's learning fundamentals and proper tricks of the trade
that will serve her very well to play properly.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
So yeah, she's pumped.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
It's good to start, you know, kind of taking lessons
on something. If you're into it early because it's I know,
like I went to school in high school and like
there was drums and I was doing the music, but
it wasn't the same as like taking personal lessons with
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and not just anybody was. I went to some drum
clinics locally and I found Rick Gratton, who was an
incredible drummer, And yeah, it makes all the difference in
the world when you go to somebody that you really
respect and want to understand a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, So that that helps is just.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Kind of having some some steps and then if you
dig it even more, start looking.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
For people that you like and.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
You want to learn from. That's the best way.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
What I was saying this to the girls, like if
they wanted to start a band, worry less about who
can play what and more about who you want to
spend a lot of time with, because ultimately people can
practice their instruments and kind of get better at it
over time. But it's it's the hang that's kind of
more important in a way, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
The hang is all. It's the everything.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
The hang's everything. The hours are long, it's not always glamorous,
it's not fun. You have some highs hopefully, but also
lots of lows. So who do you want to turn
to in the stinky van beside you and laugh your
head off? Like when you know, like if we're out
there and we're rocking on the road or some long
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days and you're slugging it out, it's all about that.
Just being with somebody you can at least have a laugh.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Or realize that they're not gonna, you know, pull their
hair out all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that that is. I would say one thing that
you have picked up big time from all your ears
on the road is there isn't much that phases you.
And the only thing worse than like the plan changing
or things getting canceled or having to do a one
to eighty, the only thing worse than that is someone
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in your group is like, oh man, what are we
going to do now? Oh this is not good. Oh
no way, not like the stress generators.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, you need to have the I got the rope.
I got robo torrens there on the voice.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh did you it's raining here? So because it's raining,
the internet doesn't totally work.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Okay, no, I can hear you now, but sorry, I
didn't get to the last bit there.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Well, I said that when you're on the road and
things change and you have to win eighty and hashtag
pivot and all that the only thing worse than that
is someone in your group who's like, oh no, not good.
This isn't good. What are we gonna do now, like
the stress generator who makes it worse.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, no, that's not good. You need the chill.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
You're unfazable, and that's a great quality to having someone
on the road. Well, I do notice that that did
happen a couple times of like the last little periods
of being on the road is like this doesn't bother you,
or you know, this isn't bugging you, you.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Know what I mean. Like I've noticed people are kind of.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Understand that, like, yeah, things don't really bother get to me.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, but I have to do mention.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I have to mention that I had a great time
in Vancouver, the show that you wanted to come to
at the call in February with the Odds and playing
with limb Lifter was a gas.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
It was such a great time.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
So I have many questions, unsurprisingly, what was it kind
of the same set list that you guys did in Toronto,
just like another version of that kind of exact show
or do they change the line up night tonight? Well,
because we played longer, it was longer set, so we
added some stuff. So we added a few more.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
And then.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
We played the Well Ryan and Megan played with with
the Odds for a song that they wrote together.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, so did the lift open for the Odds. It
was kind of a co headline vibes yep with the
Odds at finishing. That was kind of the feeling and
in terms of the set length.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
But they killed it.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I mean, the Odds are fantastic and it was fun
to play.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
We had a great show.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
It's just getting better and better, you know, it's it's
it's kind of sucks when you're just playing one show.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
But like there there is a progression. But also because
because the familiarity is there with the songs, but we
also you know, you want to string together a few
shows so you can just start to play.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
A little more and then really get things going.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, so Craig Northy is in Odds. Yeah, Like was
there were there hang times?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
There was a good hang although I I somehow had
some stomach issue where I just did something didn't sit
well with me, so I didn't. I didn't really have
time to hang like I started feeling feeling crummy towards
the end of their set, so he had to do it.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I kind of.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I kind of had to say hey and then leave.
But I did get to see everybody and say hi.
Kurt Doll, formerly of Limblifter, is actually playing drums with
odds Now and so he was killing it. It was
great to see him playing with them. And then Pat Stewart,
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who's playing used to play with odds and actually did
some I think a record with with Limblifter as well.
Pat Stewart came out, he's with Brian Adams now, wow,
So there was there was a lot of bods, great
Canadian music buds in the house.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Vancouver West Coast scene buds.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Dave Gen came out, who's plays with fifty four forty
and he was with Matthew goodband for a long time
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
So yeah, good, good, good peeps.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Craig plays in that Trans Canada Highwaymen with Stephen Page
and Chris Murphy and Mo.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, that must be fun.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Hey, they're all like T and T styles going in
the Ari's I.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Would say, I would say, that's gotta be fun playing
everybody's hits, but none of the sure.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
All yeah, it's just enough time.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
So it's like you don't start getting annoyed with each other,
right Like they'll do like, you know, a week or
something and then they're done.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
So it's not it's not it's you know.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
How it is, like you do a couple of shows
and with long drives, it's fine after a few, but
then you start those long drives start getting to you
and they're they're probably not on the bus, are they.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
No, not at all?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
So that you mean, if you're trying to you're trying
to do something that's cool and fun and you know,
make some dough not cost the other if you're in
a bus, like right away, you're eating a huge chunk
of production right value like the cost of being on
the road just all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I mean, sure, you're saving in hotels, but sort of
it's not really.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Because you do have to eventually see a shower at
some point, so you probably will get a hotel room
as well.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Every day.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Did you guys ever do the shower room like everybody
showers in the one room totally? Well, we'd have shower
room or shower rooms like on drive days if you're
or if it's a day off, you have a room.
But I'm saying like, if you're trying to do it
like how you and I rip across, there's the tour
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buses just there's no option, no, so you're trying. Yeah,
you're trying to just do it smart. So it's probably
a van, you know, rental.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Van and maybe panel van with so you don't you
can get your gear around?
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And do you think the boys have a tour manager?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Sorry robo there again?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Do you think the boys have a tour manager?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Did we have a tour No?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
No, that like the Trans Canada highwaymen. Do you think
they're doing it themselves.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
I think they'd probably do it themselves, but no, I'm
sure there's somebody like whoever's doing sound.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Or right, like a kind of Swiss army knife catch
all guy exactly. Yeah, Like if we if like if
we were doing shows where we were performing with instruments,
you kind of want a guy to reel all that
stuff in at some level, yeah, instead of just kind
of winging it every day. That would be fun. It's
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a show I would like to see.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yeah, because I guess what do they they just they
do all songs in general, but that old Canadian jams.
But do they They probably play their own songs too, right, Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I think they all get to play on each other
as best and favorite songs. Yeah, but they also do
like classics too. This is this is what I wonder,
like if Chris Murphy is playing half a dozen Sloan
songs but he wrote them, does he have to deal
to boys in Sloan?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
In what do you mean deal the boys? And like
in what regards?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Well? Like do they get a little piece of the
Transcantada highwaymen?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Well they would, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
They might get performance royalties of songs based.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
On me, when Alan Doyle performs great big c songs
that he wrote, does he have to deal to bows.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
In anytime you fill out those little forms of what
you have songs and performance sheets, that's that's how it goes.
And it depends on the capacity of the venues and
stuff you're playing, really and people because it's paid tickets
or whatever, how they do it. So I don't know
if it's the same in clubs as it is in
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bigger shows.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
But that.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
As being one who was never like sending in those forms.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I don't know how it works.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Is Andy Summers getting a chunk of Sting solo gigs?
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Performance royalties for sure? Crazy like for shows? Yeah, you're
playing big shows absolutely.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
So Sting's playing some police songs and Stuart and Andy
would get paid.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
I don't know how their splits work, Like there's some
songs that are all all purely Sting, but there are
performance royalties that they would get, they would get.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Imagine Garfunkel is making as much as Simon for sitting
home because Simon's playing all those tunes.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
I don't think he's broke any songs though, right it
wasn't it all Paul Simon, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
If he is.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
If he's on the cuts, absolutely couch surfing and rolling,
that's kind of the best possible scenario.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, that's the move.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
The Garfunkle, as it's known in industry standards, the Len
like the Len guy, the boom, the box, the doom duct.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
That's him right now playing co O D. What do
you mean the Len guy?
Speaker 2 (52:44):
What song? Or he's just me licensing steal my sunshine commercial.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yeah, I was doing the Sunshine song stood stood that whatever,
like he's just playing video game, was in the basement
or whatever, in the in the in the in the
on the on the balcony.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
He's got a root beer up in one cheek and
checking his crypto. Yes, that's nothing, you can get it.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
He's got like rotten teeth on the right side, suckrel
of choop of choops, and he's got rings on every finger.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
He's got one of those toasters with the hot dog
hole in it, the coaster.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
With a what the toaster with the hot dog hole?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Have you seen those?
Speaker 3 (53:56):
It's only in those like magazines on airplane. It's like
a hot there's like a just a hole where you
put a hot dog in on the toaster.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Oh, I thought you were saying coaster.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Oh yeah, he's got a hot dog toaster that he
got from what's the magazine? On United sky Mall. He
ordered one on Skymalk after his sixth vodka kran flying
from Newark to Burbanks.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
He's playing playing that whatever game and it's springing up.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
He's all stoked.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I mean, good for him. I feel like that that
was a sample though, wasn't it that dunk dunk dunk.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, so whatever, they somebody got five cents, but that
song he's getting paid.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Oh man. Yeah, anytime Tropicana is knocking on your door,
you're do an eye? Is that what that?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
That's the campaign that's biggest right now? I think, So.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
What do you think Tropicana paid?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
I feel like that song is probably used so much
that like we don't even know, we don't even know,
Like when you hear that song coming on somewhere, like
getting on a ride at what universals Harry Potter experience.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, it's just so like it's.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Such an easy street and zero offense to anybody.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
You could play that anywhere.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
It's like the Florida Tourism Commission. Yeah, it's the Vitamin
b Uh Society of America.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Like you can you can dance to it and you
can sleep to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Like it's like it's got both feels.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
That's how you know, that's a really tricky pocket.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
So yeah, like you could be like lying down and
that song's on, or like jumping around.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's a really challenging pocket.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Sure, that's very hard.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
That's why they never had another song like that, I'm
sure they're still trying.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Although I've talked about it before. Mike Cleenberg directed a
video for Lenn for a song called Candy Pop that
is like, yeah, peak grunge, and that is an unbelievable jam.
I think so much better than My Sunshine.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
It just never took off.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Nineteen ninety five and it was Mark and Sharon the siblings,
but peak grunge, super catchy, lots of cameos of people
you might recognize who went on to do other things.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah, just didn't light like that song.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, that was like five years before that song.
And then there are always rumors about when behaving poorly
at grown up, big music events.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
Just act in the fool.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, Like there was always one about putting xlax and
Madonna's drink at a grand stuff like that. I Mark
was really nice to me.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
It's kicking in, guys.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Look, yeah, she just excused herself. Do you think it's
it's because it kicked in?
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Everybody's staying it.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
Does you steal my Sunshine? It is a hooky nursery
rhyme of a jam, but it's like a he's not yelling,
He's not like maybe because he's not screaming, buddy.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
It sounds like he's quiet.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Screaming yo, but he's sounds like he's whispering because that's
how he would talk to someone, like during a war,
where you're like, guy, listen, guys.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
I'm it's gotta it's gotta cover a little bit of area.
So it's not a it's not a yell, but it's
like a mask yell, but similar to more of a whisper.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
So I don't all telling you is if sibling call
an answer is the pocket candy pop walked so steal
my sunshine could run?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Really?
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, there you go,
Something went on here, something on there?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
And this time on t n T we hear about
Ja's latest limblifter show with Odds. We hear about Johno's
news show Pretty Blind, and what are the two things
you can do to lend steal my sunshine? That's all
coming up right now on tn T.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey boy, it's been a minute, Bob, been a minute.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
In a minute, in a minute, gonep it's been too long.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Though, to be back, pleasure is entirely mine.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Hey, I was just telling you about reading glasses, like
I've come to the point now where I can't go
without them. Like before I could actually stretch the arm
out and get a little visual, but now it's gone
like full on stone blind close up.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I know there was a hot minute where it was
like getting the girls across the restaurant table. Can you
guys just hold the menu for me? Yeah, because I
can see that, no problem. Then I tried thee like
I'm gonna take out my phone and zoom in with
my camera on the menu. I just have to accept
that I'm a guy who needs glasses to read things.
Now I was so happy to be not like getting
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my eyes fixed like twenty years ago or whatever it
was to not have to worry about glasses. But now
here I am carrying and always is a shitty glasses,
like super shitty glasses like that are gonna be broken.
Have you noticed how they make like the holes where
the arms go, they don't have a hole through the bottom.
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They only have a hole through the top for the
screw No, I know, yeah, for sure, they don't have
the hole through the bottom because it like takes out
another six months that you can use them by putting
like a garbage bag tied through. All right, have you
done the garbage time? No? I tried, Like I broke
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a pair, like I had three pairs or whatever, and
a couple of them are so scratched up. But there
was this one awesome fresh pair where it was like
no scratches on the lenses. But the screws were a
little bit loose, right, so I had to tighten them
up a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But then like.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Screwdriver in history, yes, yes, and then which you can't
see because you don't have your glasses on exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So I'm wearing the scraped ones to do the work,
just to tighten it up.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But all of a sudden, the.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Screw's gone, like the arm's gone. So I'm looking around.
There's nothing, So.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm like, okay, I don't want to drive to.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Shoppers and whatever it is, Right, the best move is
like the dollar store, right because for glasses, Yeah, because
the cheapest there. Because they're always gonna ach or something anyway,
so there's no point in spending eighteen dollars when you
can get the same pair for two bucks.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Did you get them maps that come hard in the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No, I can't wear a head gear.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I can't do those.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So anyway, I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I tried to get the garbage tied through the hole,
but I'm like, oh my god, there's no hole at
the bottom. So I'm like, I just threw them in
the garbage. It's like they literally have like a hack.
So you have to buy a new pair.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Sheep, but yes, because they're going to bio degrade on
your face in the first three wearings.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, either you misplaced them number one, number two, you
sit on them and they get crushed and they're designed
for like no, you can't do anything. They're so fragile alright,
Like you sit on it a little bit and you
pick them up and they're all like something out or
if they're the bendy kind.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
They're all hollowing. Yeah, the bendy ones are the word.
So do you are these like clear lenses with no
frame around them, like flimsy arms and just two pieces
of glass on your head.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, these ones are the plastic like creaky ones. But
but they're all scraped to fuck on the front.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Like the lenses are really like brutal. So are they clear?
Like what what's around the glass?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
They're black frames, so kind of like just like stupid
dad glasses, like like uncomfortable with when I have to
wear them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Luckily, Carol sells glasses at the shoe store. Also get
a few different kind of high end pairs.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Remember when we were on the road and I grabbed
you some shades for the drive. No, I came back
in from the gas station and gave you, yeah, terrible.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Like back of your neck glasses.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
They were like super blained out member of like diamonds
crusted for hours off from Fort Mack driving to Calgary glasses. Well,
they look like that, like something you would wear, like
something Nelly Fritado would wear on a red carbon.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
They were the true religion, gene of glasses.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So wide.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
We covered this country and then some yeah, road, a
lot of d a lot of driving, like literally victorious
and Jan's yeah, I know, crazy good. We got to
get back out there. Yes, I was thinking about the
show that we did in Montreal the other day and
how Bartsy was there and Kyle Bukacs and Jared Kiso
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drove back from the cottage with Meg to be a guest.
It was not well attended, it wasn't great, and I
remember feeling like, oh man, I'm so bummed out that
he drove back from the cottage for this, because I know,
you know when you make plans and you know you
have to turn your life upside down to accommodate them,
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because you don't want to be the guy that bails
on it, but you probably would choose to not do
it as it sneaks up. It was kind of him
to come, kind of like if we were to be
routing a tour and to be putting a Montreal show
or not exactly probably not, we would probably not, but
in the spirit of Canadianity, we did.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But by all accounts, that's a rough tough nut to crack, right.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
It really is yeah, unless you have something there that
people can know about something going like for the band
it was music pluse. Having a having an inn there really.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Kind of kickstarted everything. Yeah, but that's uh well, I.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Mean we kind of did some action thanks to to
Bruce Hills at the just for laugh true story, which
is sadly now not a thing really the same level that.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's funny that Ottawa and Calgary were always banging for us.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, just banging.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, most most places were banging.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Saskatoon, I know, we did Regina on a snowstorm and
it was it was good. Did we did Saskatoon? Yeah,
where's Amigos?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, right, Saskatoon. Yeah, that was crazy. Amigos was not. Yeah,
it was bumping. It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
They all Toronto, great times across the board. Just had
a little weird kind of gap there a night, but
at least we had good company.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
The day that it was the day that Gordon died
that we did the Toronto Toronto and supposed to be
there and who couldn't come? Jay couldn't come, so Stephen
Broger and Sneake from Degrassi came in his stead. That's right, Yes,
and was there was fun, good people, good times. Anyway,
we got to get back out there, Yes we do.
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Let us know where should we come back to and
what venues should we play at? Let us know on
the Graham or that we still do have a little
corner of Twitter on the T n T Twitter do
we Yep, that's still alive. How's it going over there?
Why did they miss anything?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
If I if I'm ever posting a pod or for
a little whatever from a bad there's just this is
the deluge of like toxic.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Core of buying daily bs.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, that's on there. It's unbelievable. Yeah, not a good place.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I was having conversation this morning with a friend of
mine who owns a furniture store in Burrough and we're
talking about the tariffs, and I said, how is business
for you? And he said, well, you know, it's the
upside is there's a surge of Canadian pride and people
are by Canadian and that's all awesome. But he said,
for example, appliances, I think they originate here and have
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to get sent down to the States for some part
of the process and then come back and they get
a lot of tariff each way.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, that had not occurred to me. Yeah, there's a
lot of stuff that goes back and forth for parts
or whatever, and that's that's a big that's why it's
affecting so many different people and industries that it's and
it's ridiculous and pointless. So yeah, it's like it's been
such a while, so we've been talking that all this
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stuff has been the shit has really been hitting the
fan on a lot of different levels. It has been
at globally. How how much are you I don't mean
globally as in around the world, I mean bigger picture
in your life. How much are you of your time
and energy are you choosing to devote to panic and
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terror and following it daily?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, I mean it only takes fifteen minutes to get
that a dose of what's you know, you try to
be aware, but it's yeah, it's it's very upsetting when
you have kids and you see the kind of in
a sense crumbling if it continues this way of America
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and the difference of what we remember it to be.
And it's terrifying to be Canadian knowing that that's like, right.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's part of us.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So I saw I think it was sitting back helping
hoping it ends right, but I don't think it is.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That's a scary part.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I saw Bill Maher say he's the most honest politician
in history, and everyone laughed, but then he was like,
I'm actually being quite serious. He telegraphed everything he was
planning to do, like none of this is a surprise.
He's just following through on exactly what he said he
would do if he was elected. So there's he's there
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is no wait a secon. We feel fleeced.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, because he lies every time you ask him what
he's done or what he's doing, because it's like, oh,
what are you doing? It is certainly not being honest
about his relationship with Russia and Putin, Like he's calling
him today and it's like what are they talking about?
Doesn't say what he's talking about. It's like it's just
the way things been going.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It sounds like the benchmark of somebody that's been lobbied
and taken over by somebody.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Else, Like the talking points of Donald Trump and his
cabinet are really kind of just benchmarks in the propaganda
that Putin has been given them, and it's just sounding
more and more like their allies in more regards and
just dealing with this Ukraine thing.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Also el Mak who's kind of buying his way into
various countries around the world, which is kind of wild
and scary. Well, I think the money that remember the
old banks or whoever funded Trump in the eighties, because
American banks would have had had had it with him,
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because he was just you know, starting and stopping all
over the place with bankrupting casinos and pissing off contractors
that the Russian banks were happy to have them. And
I don't know, maybe Elon has a lot of when
you're that wealthy and the richest people in the world,
and it just becomes a pretty small room. I imagine
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there's probably a bunch of oligarchs in there. Oli gorks Ola,
gorks Oli, Gorkacs, Oligrkacs. It is like anything, you want
to be aware and informed and up to it, but
also fear and panic and a sense of foreboding. Those
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are not emotions that are supposed to be sustained for
any great length of time. The thing that I find
especially kind of weird is the pressure to represent on
your social media like stuff that comes across my cranium
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that I don't agree with. Or a jet to or like,
how much is it my responsibility to use my social
media platform to share my views about everything?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know? I don't think.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I don't think you have to do anything. I mean,
I don't think it matters to be honest in terms of.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think you have to have an understanding that you know,
give give if you're open and people know who you are,
like for example, me, like I used to say things
on Twitter, I don't. I'm not on there anymore, but
I'll post funny memes or pictures that kind of reflect
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or thoughtful memes or information that I find interesting or
good perspectively on what's happening on Instagram, Like, I'll do that,
And I don't know, and that's just because I've always
been like that.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I think it's more.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The the humor that's involved in it, the dark humor,
I guess definitely, also also the reality reality of it. Definitely,
it's I would say it's more in my case. First
of all, I don't I still don't really understand Instagram
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and how when I have a funny joke or something
that I want to share, it doesn't feel like the
forum for it the way Twitter did, and Secondly, maybe
it's PTSD from Twitter, but I as self preservation. Maybe
I just don't want to engage exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's not like because there was a time when you
definitely were outspoken with things that you felt like, whatever
it was politically or some things that are happening locally
around you. Yeah, sure, but the blowback it gets out
of hand to the point where you're like, you know what, man,
fuck this, forget about it. So I get that too,
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because people are actually welcome to do that, because it
really is.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
At some point, I saw a great picture. It just
had a little photo photograph of a caricature of a
skull and the brain was, you know, like a fuel
tank on empty and the mouth was on full. Oh wow,
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that's it, because you're dealing with people that just our
mouth breathing blah blah bullshit, and it's like, okay, whether
you have the time to take up to talk back
or you know what, forget it, there's no point really. Again,
it goes back to the smartest people I ever met
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in my life had were either afraid of microphones or
didn't want to do anything with They didn't even like
talking on the phone. You know the type of people
I'm talking about. Yeah, they just do not Even the
idea of computers and social media just doesn't come to
them at all because they're busy living life outside of
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it and realized before getting sucked into technology that they
knew that that was going to happen. Yes, you know,
an addiction that's no different than anything else. They're often
also the quieter masks in the room.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, it's hard to be that way, but man, they're
getting the most fulfilling deal in life.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I know. I learned so much from my wife all
the time. She is very economical with her words, and
they are very effective because she doesn't speak unless she
has something to say, and people always listen. And she's
not the loudest voice in the room, but her words
carry great weight because she doesn't feel the need to
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fill the space the way you know her husband does. Sometimes.
I don't know why. I think it's my responsibility to
keep the conversational ball up in the air. But you're
just like ever since you were a kid, like you
just never wanted awkward moments to ever happen again. I guess,
like I have a friend whose theory is you end
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up doing for a living kind of who you are
as a person. So if I'm a host at sort
of my role at Sobey's and at the dinner table
and at the gas pump, and for whatever reason, like
sometimes I'll get in the car and think, what why
would they answer those six questions? I peppered at them
when they're just trying to buy a pack of gum?
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I know.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
See, that's the show, the social experiment. That's the show
that you never have done. That is the most appealing
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's just like you.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Being you, which is literally interviewing strangers throughout the day
across the like in the most random from elevators to
gas pumps. And I've been with you where it's like
I'm just like not talking at all because I'm like
that sometimes so I'll just be like a fly on
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the wall to this stuff and it's like I'll remember,
I'm like, how do.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You do that? Like how do you have the energy
to do all that?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's unbelievable really, So it's so hard for me to
think to do that. I get just tired thinking about it.
It's it's a couple of things. One is genuine I
mean nosiness slash curiosity and and the other thing is
the more I ask people about themselves, the less I
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have to reveal about myself.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I wonder if if like I wonder if like sit
just not saying anything is more difficult, though it is difficult,
I think, yeah, most right, like just not saying anything
and staring at the numbers, you feel like it's dead
air on the radio or something that what like what
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happened on your head there?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Like what feeling is that? Because that's it's it is.
It's got to be a fear based.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Thing interesting because it's talking with strangers.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Right. Otherwise it's like like I'm the opposite where I
get afraid to talk.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I think you're afraid of the silence.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
And what it might reveal because I know if I
add like there's certain guys that I can do with you,
you're like, no, no, we're not doing that. And it's
usually like some some kind of like where it's more
intimate and private and quiet.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You don't like you know what I mean, You don't
like that at all?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
No, you shut right, I'd rather talk to five hundred
people through a microphone. See that. This is uh. I'm
actually kind of shy and people are surprised to hear
that because I can talk to a Sobey's bag. But
I would prefer one on five hundred to one on
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one most of the time.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
True, Well, outside of your personal family and friend, of course, yeah, definitely,
but that's when dealing with strangers.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You get on a flight to the Maritimes, and you know,
sometimes it's after a red eye and I'm coming home
from Vegas and I just want to get home and
crawl in bed. And you sit down on the flight
and drawn out to Halifax, and the person sits beside you,
and inevitably there's a going home or out for work
or like I think it's also just an East Coast
thing that it's it's a it's an invasive friendliness.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, it's like you can't just not ask where someone
came from.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And what they're up to working hard or Hawksley work man.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It's yeah, it is kind of Yeah, it's like the
investigator thing, like I'm sitting next to you for the
next five hours.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I Gotta find out what the hell it is you're doing.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, And people will sometimes just bait the hook and
throw it out there like, well, I guess we'll see
if they're on time this one, then I guess, like
just kind of floating a statement to see if you bite.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's like the.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
First guy's like, I'm a software engineer, I got three kids,
I've got my wife's once and then.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Again he passes out right away just because that's one.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, right, I guess his quick right here it is, Yeah,
software engineer going out for work for two days. I
go out twice a month. Yes, I love it too,
shuts his Okay, must be nice like offending the East Coasters, Like, well,
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I've had other questions in that. Just rightfle off, you're
going down.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Your favorite time, like favorite flavorite chips, just like a.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Couple of randoms because you know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
To keep Yeah, guys, I know it's lobster season.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, so Jr.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
For the last month, I have been directing our television
program for AMI, which is Accessible Media Inc. Mark and
I wrote it together forward and it is called Pretty Blind.
Was I telling you about this?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Tell me? Tell me about it more.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It stars a woman named Jenny Bovard who has a
podcast called Low Vision Moments. Jenny has albinism and low
vision and she is a marathon runner and she is
a goldball athlete. We did an episode about goalball. Jenny
competes nationally. So it's a sport that was invented after
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World War Two for masks who have sustained like visual
injuries in the war. And the idea is, imagine you
put on dark blackout glasses. Three players on each team,
like a big water polo net on either end of
a gym, and you throw a ball that's three pounds
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that has a bell in it, and you have to
try to figure out where it is and try to
keep it out of your net and hurl it back
down to the other end of the gym and try
to score. So you're trying to catch it or like
block it. There's a lot of sliding and diving and
you we do.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You wear a helmet? No, come on, they.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Wear like padded shorts because of the sliding and diving
and stuff. But it is one of the coolest, like, like,
the idea of the sport is really cool. Then we
had in our storyline it's one team against another, so
we had six actors. They're really they're goalball players with
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low vision playing against each other and watching sport be
played in person is bananas. It's it's home sad as
things I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
So they're wearing over their eyes like blackouts, so there's
you can't see anything.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yes, and and so this was There are two low
vision actors kind of in our main cast. One is
Jenny and one is Dan. Dan Bearroberger is a stand
up comic by trade and super funny guy has a
new baby, total sweetheart. So we asked on day one,
like what is what are the things that you wish
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people knew? And both of them were aligned on this.
People think blind is blind, but for example, Jenny needs
very low light and Dan needs lots of light, so
there are many different shades of gray and degrees of
blindness in the world. Yeah, So to make sure that
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all the goal ball players have an even playing field,
everyone has to put on these black blackout goggles, which
the ref will actually come around and check.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So how big is the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's it's like basketball size and it's hard plastic and
has a bell in it. So the first thing the
ref does is say quiet please, and everyone in the
place has to be quiet so that the athletes can
hear the ball coming.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
So you can hear whistling at your head for example,
like fast.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So they communicate with each other like I think it's
on the right side, like sort of strategizing. So the
team that's about to throw can kind of tiptoe and
cross paths with each other. So I'm going to end
up actually throwing from the right side, even though you
know I caught it in the center. So it's all
listening to where they use ball is It's like using
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your internal sonar hearing exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So I'm really energized after doing this show because from
a storytelling standpoint, you realize all the tricks of the
trade that you normally use for a sited audience. For example,
George and Jerry are at a diner, now they're at
Jerry's apartment. For a sited audience, you just use that
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wide shot of the apartment building at night, and everyone
watching goes, okay, got it, they're at the apartment now.
Now imagine you can't see how do you convey to
the audience we're at the apartment now. So sound effects
for example, like slamming of cupboard doors as Jerry looks
for cereal, like if that's the audible queue that we've
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changed locations, and the audience will track what's happening in
our case, there's a library in our story, so we'll
hear the bump don't don't of a book return, so
the audience is like, oh got it. Also storytelling for
a low vision audience, I would use your name more
morning Jeremy, morning Jonathan, so that the audience goes, oh
got it, I know who's in the scene. We also
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came up with the idea that each of the characters,
the kind of the main characters, has their own primary
color for their wardrobe. So Jenny's always in red, Sandy
the library manager, is always in kind of yellow, so
that if you squint, you can tell who's who. But
here here's the big one. Comedically, if someone like imagine
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a Kramer character and imagine watching a scene with Kramer
in it, and you can't see any of the physicality
that happens when he comes in the door like that,
so you have to imagine watching the scene with your
eyes closed. Can you still tell who the character? Kind
of this, so if someone takes up a lot of space,
it has to be a thing that happens with verbal
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and vocal energy. A funny shirt, a pratfall, a site gag,
a wide shot, all the tricks of the trade of
this visual medium don't necessarily work here.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
So the the other thing is, if there's an uncomfortable pause,
it has to be short enough that the described video
map doesn't have to pop in and say Jenny looks
sideways at her coworker Eve, because comedically that kind of
rocks the boat a little bit. So, yeah, you're thinking.
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That always really fun, Yeah, to try to come up
with a new way of conveying these comedic ideas. So
it was a really interesting and fun challenge, and I
think for Jenny pretty fun to get to shine a
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light on some of the everyday frustrations. She has a
great sense of humor and laughs easily and loves a
joke and loves being the butt of a joke. Like
there's nothing precious about her. She's awesome. But imagine, like
the show is called pretty Blind because everywhere she goes
people are like, wait, a sec, I saw you walk
in here, though, like trying to trip her up or
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catch her in the question how blind are you? So
her answer is pretty blind? Sense, and everywhere she goes
people are like, you're blind, but you're so pretty. She's
a really weird thing to say to say to someone.
Another thing that I've kind of just generally learned from
Carol is you don't have to say anything at all.
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And this goes for anybody if it's about someone's like,
even well intended but misguided is almost worse than being
outright rude. People were like, I like your hair. Your
hair looks softer. Can I touch your hair? Or all
the almost like the Canadian cliches people will say to her.
(31:09):
I had an albino in my class. We called him
Whitey Or do you know Kenny from Monkton. He's in
albino too, like all the things that when you hear
out loud are like, come on, everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Do better? Yeah, unreal?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
So what's what stage are you at? In terms of
the show, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Just finished shooting this past Friday, and we did six
half hour episodes and they go to air July eighth
on Ami Nice. Why Yeah, So that show goes up
July eighth, and the other show we did, which is
called zero to sixty, goes up on Bell five May
(31:52):
twenty second. I think it's the first Nova Scotia sitcom
starring an almost exclusively African Nova Scotian cast so really
excited about that. One too. Went to the Nova Scotia
Community College and asked about the animation students making the
(32:12):
opening for the show, so they baked it into their curriculum.
The openings kind of cartooning and like, remember student Bodies
barely it's like that.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I remember hearing about it as a kid. Yeah, you
don't remember student Bodies.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It was not a kid like I think I was.
What is that late eighties?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I would say it was more like mid to late nineties.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's why I didn't see it because I was on
tool ahh yeah. Interesting. So you have a pop culture gap.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I do, yeah, because you know when I was six
seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty, I was on the road, mostly
in the States. No internet, no internet, and yeah, no
you're gone back then when you're leaving your elite left.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Hey one thing about now, it's lighter later, bod, Yeah,
sure is lighter later. Let's take a break and then
I'll tell you about the limb lifter with the odds
showing Vancouver. All right, brb.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Abo, Hey we're back, Uh, we're back.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I have to mention a huge loss to the t
and t family. Uh, Tim lost his dad, the legendary
Max Oxford, a man that I loved dearly. And if
it wasn't for Max, I wouldn't know Tim. Because Max
was nice enough as a father to you know, seek
(33:45):
me out as a as a drummer for some lessons
and that's how the relationship began with his family.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
He was a.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Legend in can he and golf as well as just
an incredible father. I mean, he's the type of dad
that you always would wish everyone to have. He was
so loving, had so many friends, just a beautiful guy.
It's just super sad and just feel feel for Tim.
It's a huge loss. I mean he lost his mother
(34:22):
and now he's lost his dad. So it's just very
sad for Tim. I love him very much and I'm
thinking about him a lot right now. So yeah, Max
socks for rest in peace, big, big legendary, the point man.
They used to call him the point man. Why Hockey
like just rocked it, crushed it. And I guess hockey
(34:43):
growing up and became the point man just can always
like you just fire it to him and you're good
to go. That's a good well or I guess he
was just feeding everybody. Just dirty, easy goals, right, just
classic beauty.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I love that he and Tim were so close.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, and it's always the way when we lose someone
we love, like when it happens relatively quickly, as I
understand it, he's pretty healthy guy.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, it was unexpected that.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
He was always that guy like that's just such a
champion for everything that Tim was doing. He was there,
just the widest and biggest smile and so proud and
loving it. Just one of those dads that's just like
if you do something, it's just the it just makes
them light up, you know. I feel like for the
(35:47):
people left behind. I mean this is something I think
about a lot. If someone has an illness that drags
on for many years and it's hard to watch them suffer,
at least you get a chance to sort of brace
yourself and know it's coming, and maybe the chance to
say goodbye. All things considered, I have to assume for
the person leaving, a kind of quicker departure is probably best. Yeah, Well,
(36:14):
being sick for a long time is not. It's not
good at all. I mean, that's that's terrible. So yeah,
I mean, never it was a sudden I think a
fall an accident, and at least Tim could come. Tim
had to come back from Los Angeles to see him,
but it was nice enough to be able to talk
(36:36):
to him and be with him. Great. Yeah, so tell
me again he sought you out for drum lessons for
himself or for Tim?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
For Tim?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, and how he got in touch with you through
the golf community.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Well, he worked, he was he headed titleist at the time. Oh,
I didn't know that Canada. Yeah, so he I don't
know how he found out, but I was doing lessons
for a drum store and he got one for Tim and.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
He was like, hey, my young fellow is kind of
interested in the drums.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, yeah, Tim had just started.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
He had his own band that were kind of like
a high school band where he was just starting out
with his brother Josh.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So yeah, he was just getting into it. But kudos
to Tim because he was one of those students that
just not He wasn't more of a friend than a student,
that's for sure, because it wasn't like I just give
him regimented drum lessons. Ever, it was just like he'd
ask questions and watch and just learned from that respect
(37:49):
paradidal camp.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah for sure. Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
It's just amazing to see that he was there. I
was doing all that stuff and now he's there doing
all that stuff, and it was it was great to
see his dad kinda.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Be there to enjoy a lot of it. So you
had your own friendship with Max too.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, and the whole family Nancy his mom, and Josh
is his brother. I would go over there and hang
out for sure, like have dinner and stuff. Just a
really great family, type of family that you just kind
of envy as a kid, Like, wow, that's what. That's
how it's gotta be. Just so much love.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And and just support for everybody, you know. Awesome. I'm
I'm so glad Tim got to see him, because that's
that's no fun being far away and hearing this, Like
imagine how long that flight was. Yeah, but I'm so
glad you got to see him and got to have
(38:57):
him as a dad. But as I I texted him,
it doesn't matter what age you are. That's a big
life page turn right there.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It is. It is a parent loss is huge.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's interesting. I find myself quoting my mom now more
than ever, Like it's been whatever eight seven or eight years. Yeah,
and for some reason lately I'm like, well, my mom
always said she was sneaky wise. Yeah, but just a
good reminder that these people stay with us in one
(39:28):
form or another, whether it's your backswing or advice that
you picked up along the way.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Absolutely, for sure, the good, Yeah, the parents' stuff sticks around,
the good and the bad.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
On the subject of drumming, Indigo has her third lesson today.
She's taken drum lessons in town. She's taken drum lessons. Yeah,
she's taking drum lessons and it's rocking.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
How's it going.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
It's it's going well, Like the the teacher is, you know,
starting kind of with the history of the drum and
the names of all the drums and how you hold
the sticks, like really starting at the start.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
So with piano two, she's learning properly, Like I'm sort
of self taught a little bit on a few different things,
but she's learning fundamentals and proper tricks of the trade
that will serve her very well to play properly.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's the way to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
So yeah, she's pumped.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
It's good to start, you know, kind of taking lessons
on something. If you're into it early because it's I know,
like I went to school in high school and like
there was drums and I was doing the music, but
it wasn't the same as like taking personal lessons with
(40:48):
and not just anybody was. I went to some drum
clinics locally and I found Rick Gratton, who was an
incredible drummer, And yeah, it makes all the difference in
the world when you go to somebody that you really
respect and want to understand a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, So that that helps is just.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Kind of having some some steps and then if you
dig it even more, start looking.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
For people that you like and.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
You want to learn from. That's the best way.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
What I was saying this to the girls, like if
they wanted to start a band, worry less about who
can play what and more about who you want to
spend a lot of time with, because ultimately people can
practice their instruments and kind of get better at it
over time. But it's it's the hang that's kind of
more important in a way, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
The hang is all. It's the everything.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
The hang's everything. The hours are long, it's not always glamorous,
it's not fun. You have some highs hopefully, but also
lots of lows. So who do you want to turn
to in the stinky van beside you and laugh your
head off? Like when you know, like if we're out
there and we're rocking on the road or some long
(42:09):
days and you're slugging it out, it's all about that.
Just being with somebody you can at least have a laugh.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Or realize that they're not gonna, you know, pull their
hair out all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that that is. I would say one thing that
you have picked up big time from all your ears
on the road is there isn't much that phases you.
And the only thing worse than like the plan changing
or things getting canceled or having to do a one
to eighty, the only thing worse than that is someone
(42:43):
in your group is like, oh man, what are we
going to do now? Oh this is not good. Oh
no way, not like the stress generators.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, you need to have the I got the rope.
I got robo torrens there on the voice.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh did you it's raining here? So because it's raining,
the internet doesn't totally work.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Okay, no, I can hear you now, but sorry, I
didn't get to the last bit there.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Well, I said that when you're on the road and
things change and you have to win eighty and hashtag
pivot and all that the only thing worse than that
is someone in your group who's like, oh no, not good.
This isn't good. What are we gonna do now, like
the stress generator who makes it worse.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, no, that's not good. You need the chill.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
You're unfazable, and that's a great quality to having someone
on the road. Well, I do notice that that did
happen a couple times of like the last little periods
of being on the road is like this doesn't bother you,
or you know, this isn't bugging you, you.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Know what I mean. Like I've noticed people are kind of.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Understand that, like, yeah, things don't really bother get to me.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, but I have to do mention.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I have to mention that I had a great time
in Vancouver, the show that you wanted to come to
at the call in February with the Odds and playing
with limb Lifter was a gas.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
It was such a great time.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
So I have many questions, unsurprisingly, what was it kind
of the same set list that you guys did in Toronto,
just like another version of that kind of exact show
or do they change the line up night tonight? Well,
because we played longer, it was longer set, so we
added some stuff. So we added a few more.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
And then.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
We played the Well Ryan and Megan played with with
the Odds for a song that they wrote together.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, so did the lift open for the Odds. It
was kind of a co headline vibes yep with the
Odds at finishing. That was kind of the feeling and
in terms of the set length.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
But they killed it.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I mean, the Odds are fantastic and it was fun
to play.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
We had a great show.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
It's just getting better and better, you know, it's it's
it's kind of sucks when you're just playing one show.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
But like there there is a progression. But also because
because the familiarity is there with the songs, but we
also you know, you want to string together a few
shows so you can just start to play.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
A little more and then really get things going.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, so Craig Northy is in Odds. Yeah, Like was
there were there hang times?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
There was a good hang although I I somehow had
some stomach issue where I just did something didn't sit
well with me, so I didn't. I didn't really have
time to hang like I started feeling feeling crummy towards
the end of their set, so he had to do it.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I kind of.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I kind of had to say hey and then leave.
But I did get to see everybody and say hi.
Kurt Doll, formerly of Limblifter, is actually playing drums with
odds Now and so he was killing it. It was
great to see him playing with them. And then Pat Stewart,
(46:24):
who's playing used to play with odds and actually did
some I think a record with with Limblifter as well.
Pat Stewart came out, he's with Brian Adams now, wow,
So there was there was a lot of bods, great
Canadian music buds in the house.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Vancouver West Coast scene buds.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Dave Gen came out, who's plays with fifty four forty
and he was with Matthew goodband for a long time
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
So yeah, good, good, good peeps.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Craig plays in that Trans Canada Highwaymen with Stephen Page
and Chris Murphy and Mo.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, that must be fun.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Hey, they're all like T and T styles going in
the Ari's I.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Would say, I would say, that's gotta be fun playing
everybody's hits, but none of the sure.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
All yeah, it's just enough time.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
So it's like you don't start getting annoyed with each other,
right Like they'll do like, you know, a week or
something and then they're done.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
So it's not it's not it's you know.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
How it is, like you do a couple of shows
and with long drives, it's fine after a few, but
then you start those long drives start getting to you
and they're they're probably not on the bus, are they.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
No, not at all?
Speaker 3 (47:49):
So that you mean, if you're trying to you're trying
to do something that's cool and fun and you know,
make some dough not cost the other if you're in
a bus, like right away, you're eating a huge chunk
of production right value like the cost of being on
the road just all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I mean, sure, you're saving in hotels, but sort of
it's not really.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Because you do have to eventually see a shower at
some point, so you probably will get a hotel room
as well.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Every day.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Did you guys ever do the shower room like everybody
showers in the one room totally? Well, we'd have shower
room or shower rooms like on drive days if you're
or if it's a day off, you have a room.
But I'm saying like, if you're trying to do it
like how you and I rip across, there's the tour
(48:48):
buses just there's no option, no, so you're trying. Yeah,
you're trying to just do it smart. So it's probably
a van, you know, rental.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Van and maybe panel van with so you don't you
can get your gear around?
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And do you think the boys have a tour manager?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Sorry robo there again?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Do you think the boys have a tour manager?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Did we have a tour No?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
No, that like the Trans Canada highwaymen. Do you think
they're doing it themselves.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
I think they'd probably do it themselves, but no, I'm
sure there's somebody like whoever's doing sound.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Or right, like a kind of Swiss army knife catch
all guy exactly. Yeah, Like if we if like if
we were doing shows where we were performing with instruments,
you kind of want a guy to reel all that
stuff in at some level, yeah, instead of just kind
of winging it every day. That would be fun. It's
(49:53):
a show I would like to see.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yeah, because I guess what do they they just they
do all songs in general, but that old Canadian jams.
But do they They probably play their own songs too, right, Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I think they all get to play on each other
as best and favorite songs. Yeah, but they also do
like classics too. This is this is what I wonder,
like if Chris Murphy is playing half a dozen Sloan
songs but he wrote them, does he have to deal
to boys in Sloan?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
In what do you mean deal the boys? And like
in what regards?
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Well? Like do they get a little piece of the
Transcantada highwaymen?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Well they would, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
They might get performance royalties of songs based.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
On me, when Alan Doyle performs great big c songs
that he wrote, does he have to deal to bows.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
In anytime you fill out those little forms of what
you have songs and performance sheets, that's that's how it goes.
And it depends on the capacity of the venues and
stuff you're playing, really and people because it's paid tickets
or whatever, how they do it. So I don't know
if it's the same in clubs as it is in
(51:08):
bigger shows.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
But that.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
As being one who was never like sending in those forms.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I don't know how it works.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Is Andy Summers getting a chunk of Sting solo gigs?
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Performance royalties for sure? Crazy like for shows? Yeah, you're
playing big shows absolutely.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
So Sting's playing some police songs and Stuart and Andy
would get paid.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
I don't know how their splits work, Like there's some
songs that are all all purely Sting, but there are
performance royalties that they would get, they would get.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Imagine Garfunkel is making as much as Simon for sitting
home because Simon's playing all those tunes.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
I don't think he's broke any songs though, right it
wasn't it all Paul Simon, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
If he is.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
If he's on the cuts, absolutely couch surfing and rolling,
that's kind of the best possible scenario.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, that's the move.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
The Garfunkle, as it's known in industry standards, the Len
like the Len guy, the boom, the box, the doom duct.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
That's him right now playing co O D. What do
you mean the Len guy?
Speaker 2 (52:44):
What song? Or he's just me licensing steal my sunshine commercial.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yeah, I was doing the Sunshine song stood stood that whatever,
like he's just playing video game, was in the basement
or whatever, in the in the in the in the
on the on the balcony.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
He's got a root beer up in one cheek and
checking his crypto. Yes, that's nothing, you can get it.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
He's got like rotten teeth on the right side, suckrel
of choop of choops, and he's got rings on every finger.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
He's got one of those toasters with the hot dog
hole in it, the coaster.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
With a what the toaster with the hot dog hole?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Have you seen those?
Speaker 3 (53:56):
It's only in those like magazines on airplane. It's like
a hot there's like a just a hole where you
put a hot dog in on the toaster.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Oh, I thought you were saying coaster.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Oh yeah, he's got a hot dog toaster that he
got from what's the magazine? On United sky Mall. He
ordered one on Skymalk after his sixth vodka kran flying
from Newark to Burbanks.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
He's playing playing that whatever game and it's springing up.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
He's all stoked.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I mean, good for him. I feel like that that
was a sample though, wasn't it that dunk dunk dunk.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, so whatever, they somebody got five cents, but that
song he's getting paid.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Oh man. Yeah, anytime Tropicana is knocking on your door,
you're do an eye? Is that what that?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
That's the campaign that's biggest right now? I think, So.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
What do you think Tropicana paid?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
I feel like that song is probably used so much
that like we don't even know, we don't even know,
Like when you hear that song coming on somewhere, like
getting on a ride at what universals Harry Potter experience.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, it's just so like it's.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Such an easy street and zero offense to anybody.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
You could play that anywhere.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
It's like the Florida Tourism Commission. Yeah, it's the Vitamin
b Uh Society of America.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Like you can you can dance to it and you
can sleep to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Like it's like it's got both feels.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
That's how you know, that's a really tricky pocket.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
So yeah, like you could be like lying down and
that song's on, or like jumping around.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's a really challenging pocket.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Sure, that's very hard.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
That's why they never had another song like that, I'm
sure they're still trying.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Although I've talked about it before. Mike Cleenberg directed a
video for Lenn for a song called Candy Pop that
is like, yeah, peak grunge, and that is an unbelievable jam.
I think so much better than My Sunshine.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
It just never took off.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Nineteen ninety five and it was Mark and Sharon the siblings,
but peak grunge, super catchy, lots of cameos of people
you might recognize who went on to do other things.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah, just didn't light like that song.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, that was like five years before that song.
And then there are always rumors about when behaving poorly
at grown up, big music events.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
Just act in the fool.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, Like there was always one about putting xlax and
Madonna's drink at a grand stuff like that. I Mark
was really nice to me.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
It's kicking in, guys.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Look, yeah, she just excused herself. Do you think it's
it's because it kicked in?
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Everybody's staying it.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
Does you steal my Sunshine? It is a hooky nursery
rhyme of a jam, but it's like a he's not yelling,
He's not like maybe because he's not screaming, buddy.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
It sounds like he's quiet.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Screaming yo, but he's sounds like he's whispering because that's
how he would talk to someone, like during a war,
where you're like, guy, listen, guys.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
I'm it's gotta it's gotta cover a little bit of area.
So it's not a it's not a yell, but it's
like a mask yell, but similar to more of a whisper.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
So I don't all telling you is if sibling call
an answer is the pocket candy pop walked so steal
my sunshine could run?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Really?
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, there you go,
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