TnT meetup in YYZ

TnT meetup at YYZ, Jer’s Atlin BC adventure and we talk fresh fish!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Something went on here, something went on there.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's time on t n T a spontaneous bud spotting
at Pierson Airport.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I had an adventure to Atlan, BC and.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Where to get the best fresh fish. That's all coming
up right now on TNT.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey there he is, We are back. We too. These
high hats in the room here they're making os.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's how my heart felt when I bumped into you
at Toronto Pearson International Airport.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Wasn't that a pleasure? So I'm sitting there about to
go to first the first I was supposed to yellow
Knife to white Horse. So I was sitting in that
air north gate and who do I see coming stepping
towards me? Jonathan Torrens. And you had no idea, So

(01:00):
I kind of I kind of got like the chance
to just sneak up right in front of you, and
it was almost Yeah, it was like one of those
things was like is this real? Like on the TV
when you see the reunited vibes.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's it's a very good test of how you feel
about somebody when you see them out of nowhere, completely unexpected.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
We took a picture. I sent it to Carol. She said,
you look so happy and I was like I was,
I was so happy to see you and it was
so unexpected, but yeah, just so exciting to bump into
each other completely out of the blue after a few
years since before COVID crazy, Like that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, so yeah it was. It felt like it felt
like family reunion. Yeah. It really did reminded us both
of how much we love hanging out. Yes, I was
ready to like, oh, you know we're starting, We're gonna
do like a few days or something. I know, I
have that vibe. I was so stoked, but I.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Know, like get together to go down to a windsor
to stay at AIRB and Steve's.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, that stoked the fuel and the
fire of that happening. So we do have stuff that's
mulling at this point. So hopefully we can have some
announcements for maybe we.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Should take pitches. Bud send us a pitch for where
we should do a show and why? What town should
we come to? What's the venue? Let's do the most
Canadian show possible? Tell us yeah, Taggert and Torns at
gmail dot com. What is the most Canadian venue possible? Yeah,
because this is three fifty three hundred and fiftieth episode.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yes, yeah, so this is a celebration in itself. It
is the perseverance and the friendship has stood the tests.
Really stuff and bullshit and you know all the things
that have happened, Yeah, garblest fun stuff. Yeah, eleven years

(03:09):
that's whatever. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, let's do a quick flashback, like eleven years ago,
where were you? You had just kind of left the band.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Think I might have still been in the band for
like kind of I think because I think it was
the fall of twenty thirteen and I hadn't didn't leave
until New Year's That was on my last show, Crazy that.
So yeah, I mean we were just talking about it.

(03:43):
We both had done the Jay and Dan pod and
like we felt it would be great to do something
with somebody else and literally if after like a conversation
about it, we started recording. Yeah, And initially we were
trying to do them together with guests yep, and we

(04:03):
realized that wasn't going to be possible. Remember we had
Brent butt on.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure the technology is a lot easier now.
It was.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Again, Tim Oxford was like vital at that point, so
vital because we couldn't do anything. We still can't do
anything without Tim, but at that point we were like
recording together. He had the like he was like got
the mic set up and he's sitting with the headphones
on and was like a legit production.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I know, like God blessed Tim Oxford.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I know, right, that was familiation. We just thought you
could just turn the mics something on boom and it's
like he's like, hold on a second, guy's wait just
two seconds.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Here's here's the other thing that is kind of speaks
to the mom and.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Pop shop we're running here. Oh man, it.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Took us about one hundred episodes to figure out we
should say count down, count to ten so that we're in.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
What Actually, I think that was a suggestion from Tim too. Yeah,
definitely what we uh yeah, Like we really never got
a handle on that stuff, seeing all like we saw
the eve of podcasts and we've seen everybody come and
go and everyone has these like big huge productions. Yea
three Hill doing it like the episode forty six? Do

(05:29):
you know?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
So? So Tim suggested, people often ask like, do you
guys plan it or produce it? No, we hit record
and start. But the only thing we do before we
start we always start with segment one obviously, then segment two,
then we do the teas. So before segment one and two,
uh jare counts to ten and I jump in at six. Yeah,

(05:52):
so then Tim has them in sync and he can
take each of our files and line them up. For
some reason, before the teas, we only count to five,
And no, it doesn't make sense. We could always just
count to five, but that's just not how it's done.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's not how we do it though. Yeah, for some reason,
I think because it's shorter, Yeah, the tea's so it's like, yeah,
well you can probably line it up no matter what
without the count. Yeah, the longer one needs like a
good timing. But then sometimes when you're counting to ten,
you start like, am I is this good? Like are

(06:29):
these perfect seconds? I know as a drummer. So then
I'm like looking at the time just to try and
match it up. And here's and it's usually not on
a second. It's usually by the time i'm counting, it's
like a half second. So I got to be like,
I'll see the three go and I'll be like three,
and I say three on the end of the three,
because that's the best way to match it up.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
And the other thing is there is since we started
technology that would now allow us to bake our voices together.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Zen Caster is one.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, but that's not how we do it. We send
the files to Tim and he puts them together like
we have a We haven't adjusted with the time, we
haven't adapted.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Or evolved exactly. That's it we we uh. I think
that's the whole thing is that it's a conversation, no different.
So just like when we're like if I talked to
you offhand, when we're not doing the podcast, we're still
in that same realm where we're laughing at the same

(07:33):
pace exactly, sometimes sometimes more, especially if we're driving.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yes, So for me, eleven years ago, the girls would
have been four and two. We had kind of just
moved into our new house. What was I doing career wise?
I think I was. Was I still doing Trailer Park?

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
It was definitely left in twenty fifteen, so I left
a year or so into the pod. Was mister d
done at that point or no? We're probably doing that still.
Trailer Park is shooting a new season right now, which
is pretty wild. Seasons ou crazy?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Is that? So? John is nineteen now, woa that would
have he would have been eight.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Like little babies. Yeah, yeah, I thought when you said John,
you were gonna say John Dunsworth. And obviously John Dunsworth
is not part of the new Trailer Park season. It's
so crazy to meet people you're John's age that watch
the show like it's it's still somehow relevant twenty five

(08:49):
years later and Netflix has just kept it somehow alive.
But even time is a funny thing. Eleven years ago
when we started the pod feels like a lifetime ago.
Twenty five years ago when I started Trailer Parking just
after you started in the band feels like a different
lifetime ago.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yes, yeah, like I would put yeah, and I see
nineteen kids that are that are younger too. I think
that that music is the same thing, like people get
into music generationally, and now our Lady Piece is like
a classic rock band.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Crazy is it on classic rock?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I think yeah, for sure it is. Yeah, I think
one hundred like any especially outside of the major cities. Definitely.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
But Anana, so tell us about tell us about Atlin.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, so I flew into Actually I was kind of
foggy and it's just not really aware. I thought I
was going to be flying right to a white Horse.
When we landed in yellow Knife, I was like, oh wow, okay,
and it was like turbulent landing into just going over
a great slave lake into the airport and there was

(10:10):
kind of a storm happening, so I just couldn't see
any It was clouds, clouds, clouds, and then water and
then the ground. But it was like kind of one
of those like hovery landings where I was like, oh man,
this is just intent.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Like is there anything down there? Have you been a
Knife before?

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Never?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
So, so I would have thought you guys would have
played there over the years.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
No, I know, I know. So I'm sitting there and
I'm like, okay, we're here. And then they say welcome
to yellow Knife and I'm like, oh what yellow Knife?
And I look at the map because I'm thinking, okay,
it's not white Horse, but how far is white Horse
from here?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I look at the map and I'm like, oh man,
it's like literally like going from Manitoba to BC. Still, yeah,
so far because you look out the window and it's like, oh,
there's no mountains and the trees are really short, like,
oh man, we're gonna be like flying for a long
time still, right, because there's a decent time there, so

(11:16):
I didn't realize I had another like three.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Hours plus big travel time, so it was a little
bit long day vibes when I finally got to white Horse.
But it was beautiful. I mean, I can't believe how
nice it is, and I didn't realize how it's there.
Very you know, it's very small. I think twenty thousand

(11:39):
people in white white Horse, so it feels kind of
it feels kind of like like if you're in Aliston
or something, you know what I mean, like really not
what you would think for such a vast area, but man,
gorgeous and that the the the the the you know,
the building and stuff in the town. It literally looks

(12:02):
like where's black Bart Like it's you know what.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I mean, Like, yeah, those Westerns, Like really, it looks
like there's a guy gonna come out with guns on
both sides.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
It looks like it's been art directed.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, it's like, where's you know, Steven Spielberg with you know,
ten guys setting up the next shot behind here? It
looks like a set like it's and the sun just
doesn't go down. I couldn't believe it just kept doing
like a figure eight in the sky basically till thirty

(12:36):
in the morning. It's still up suns right there, right,
so weird. I couldn't believe that part, Like that's that's unnerving.
I can't imagine what it must be like in winter
when it's night all the time. Yeah, apparently it's like
eleven thirty in the morning the sun comes up and

(12:59):
then by two thirty it starts going down Like that's
it's a lot of darkness. I don't know how that
would feel.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
But so how long did you have in the city
of Whitehorse?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
So, yeah, we we spent I got in that night,
stayed there that night, and then we drove to Atlan
the next day. So it was kind of like a
little I did a little tour with Megan and Ryan
and I went and did like the little trolley history
trolley there, and it had like the kid that had

(13:32):
been working there for a few months. It sounded like
he knew everything about Like he was talking about how, yeah,
this river is toxic, you can't drink the water because
of the beaver piss like that. I don't know, he's
you know what I mean. Like it was those kind
of facts where It's like, is that is that real?

(13:55):
Apparently it's not, but it like apparently beavers do have
toxic pea, but like they can't like destroy a river
sifts in them. If it was, it was probably run
off from cyanide from some plant or something, right. I
kind of love that type of fact tour. Yeah, But

(14:15):
so we had did a little sight seeing and the
drive down was beautiful. Tyler, the guy that drove us,
was one of those guys that like takes people on
hunting or fishing trips up to put to ranches and things,
so literally knows how to do anything, like if you

(14:38):
need to live off the grid, we're all set. Kind
of guy. So he was kind of telling us about
the history and just just how how incredible the area is.
You know what. It's like a two hour rip right
and a half to Atlan an hour and a half
to two hours. Yeah, and it's kind of of windy roads,

(15:01):
so you gotta kind of just drive chill and safe.
But the yeah, to see the the different kinds of trees,
you know, like the birch trees seem a little more
I don't know, I'm not an trees arborous guy, but
the trees look different there, the pines and stuff, and

(15:22):
I guess there's a lot of older generationally older forests
so which they're not as what is it, they're not
as uh, they're not as tall, but they're super dense
the wood and hardy. Holy cow, yeah, exactly. So you
just see these rich old forests everywhere and that and

(15:44):
then the glacier glacier fed lakes that you see in Atland,
because everything is just it's just surrounded by mountains. You know,
you when you're out west, you're used to kind of
seeing the same mountain all the time. Yeah, there's that
mountain you know that is central, but when you're driving
down there, it's just range after range and of you know,

(16:08):
when you've never seen anything like that, it's just unbelievable.
So it was really a treat. So we finally got
there and there was lots of incredible bands. The Grapes
of Wrath were there, the Sadies were there. Casey and Clayton,
Holy moly, if you have ever seen them, get yourself

(16:31):
a chance to see Casey and Clayton or listen to
them and go see them. Incredible singers and guitar players
just and you know, it was kind of like I
don't know what situationally, but apparently like Danny Michelle was
there and he said he'd played it before and it

(16:52):
was incredible when he played it before COVID. But apparently
the the organizer passed away and his wife was taken
of it, and ah, there was just a little bit
of a difficulty in some of the transitional stuff with
organizing accommodations and things like that. So we ended up
kind of doing a lot of running around because we

(17:14):
didn't have a hotel room. So there was a lot
of that, a lot of running around and madness, you know,
like they were not prepared to make the proper you know,
accommodations for a place that has literally like two hundred

(17:35):
people in it. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I've also learned that from traveling extensively throughout the North. Like,
imagine trying to put on a music festival. It's hard. Now,
imagine trying to do it when maybe there wasn't enough
power or you have to.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Fly in gear to rent. Yeah, like totally just insane.
So it's like there was a lot of that, Like
I get it, like this is that sucks and it's
a bummer and we're here to like to do what
you know, we want to play and it's gonna be cool.
But like you know, there was like like a mattress
with no sheets on a concrete floor as your option

(18:12):
for sleeping like firefestyles. Yeah, like there's that's a bit
out of out of touch with a contract that requires
hotel rooms each you know, run.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
So there was a lot there was a lot of like, yeah,
I appreciate, I appreciate that you're opening us to this opportunity,
but that just just it's not really gonna work right now.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
How many so, like lett, we tried like five or
six different options and we finally somehow got back into
the hotel, but it was like Megan, Ryan and I
and in two beds. But once we got in that room,
it was like Squatters' rights was on and we're not
leaving because it was literally like like there's an RV

(18:59):
over here that's empty and there's no one in there,
and there's a and then we end up finding out
that the RV was empty, yes, and they said there's
a TV in there, and that was like they made
it seem like that was a real plus, but apparently
the TV was there. It was uh, you know, it

(19:21):
turned on, but there was only like a Shrek to
DVD that's all I had, So like RV open, nothing
else in it, and Shrek two on TV.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Just on an endless loop.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah. So yeah, man, like again like a lot of
the like, oh, you know, I understand, I understand, but
like this is just a little not normal, you.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Know, kind of once in a lifetime probably.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah. Well, like I like I said that, apparently it
was rock and run. You know, smooth is silk previous,
so you know, maybe they can get back to that.
But at this point, like if that's how it's going
to go and how they're going to have a festival,
I would not play there again.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
How many people came to listen? Like where did the
audience come from? There was a couple thousand people, Like
that wasn't the issue like everything about that. Where were
they staying?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't know, camping. I guess camp camping for camping probably,
but it's just they got that. You know, if you're
going to have a festival, you need to start the
accommodations process before you do anything. Yeah, Like you're paying
these bands to come here, you need to have places

(20:46):
for them to stay. How it should have been done
a year before at least having like the number of people.
How many people do you have? Okay, that's guaranteed. We're
having rooms for that.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Is there a hotel and there's a couple yeah okay,
so yeah, so the one that you got in was
in town.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yes, apparently, and apparently before that's like, everybody was fine.
The rooms were all there. Huh.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
So did you see the grapes of wrath set?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah? They were fantastic?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Were they They sound good?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
They were great? Unreal nice dude. It was good to
see everybody. Danny Michelle was great, Sadis were great, just everybody.
All the musicians were super fun and cool. It was
a good time. So fun hangs the ways.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I also feel like, remember we did uh Bow's Brewery. Yeah,
probably five or six years ago now, and there was
was it a tornado warning?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
That's right. Yeah, we had to hunker down in the tent. Yeah,
it was intense.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
But also like spontaneous hangs are kind of fun when
everyone's in this thing together.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Absolutely for sure, but like, yeah, next time, if you're
doing festivals, just like I get like people have to
take and and and you know, lose certain things for
to make the festival happen, but you don't do that
to the bands, like you don't make them feel like, oh,

(22:23):
like I have to stay in this situation that really
is not a place that you need to be staying.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
So typically who would manage that conversation?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, whoever the event organizers are they?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
But on your side?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Is that? Is that?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Aye? So did a tour manager go up with you
for one off?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
No, that's the thing like limb lifter. Ryan does everything himself,
you know, so it's all and he's like he's such
a sweet guy that like, like you don't expect to
have to be okay, because when you are a tour manager.
As soon as that you saw that, it's like, no,
that's not happening. We are not staying here. We were

(23:12):
promised a hotel room each for the band members in
our contract and until that happens, we're standing right here.
Whoa you know. But Ryan's not definitely not that type
of person. I'm not that type of person, Like I
hate to have to be that kind of person. But
tour managers that's what they do. So we were actually

(23:33):
like okay, all right, and then you know, going to
the place and then going in and and then just
being like oh man, like how did we have to
just say no here? And people are taking it so personally,
you know, they're acting like, oh you don't like my house? Hey,
oh you got a problem with It's like that's not
fucking it at all, Like you don't understand we were

(23:56):
promised just a hotel room in some our own space.
You know. It's not like we're trying to like come in,
we're moving over here. We're family and staying like that's
what that is. Like we get your being accommodating. We
love that, but this is just unacceptable place, like the
situation for a band to be in.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Imagine there was a typo in the contract and it
said the band requires Shrek two.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes, and they.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Were like, okay, well we we had Shrek two for them.
I don't understand what the pickup.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Was, but we were getting like the eye rolls of
like what why, what's the matter? Yeah, you know it's
because that now that's a whole other can of worms
that like, I really don't want to go down right,
It's like, really, you can't take this personal. Man. Thirty
years of touring and hotel rooms are just kind of

(24:48):
a normal thing. Like imagine you are doing a gig,
like for a company hosting an event and they're like, yeah, yeah, this,
you know, we're having a little issue here. Do you
mind staying in this closet right? You know there's a
there's a cot in there, and and we have the

(25:09):
you know, we can still access services for you. And
if you're like, I'm not staying here, they'll hit you
with a what's what's the problem.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's only happened once where I had to stay off
site and take a shuttle bus from one property to
the other. Yeah, it wasn't wasn't ideal and doesn't happen often.
But what did you eat?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
The food was great? Like, the food was amazing because
it's all like char I had some. I had some
some co hosts salmon that was I guess they smoked
and cured and it might have been the best thing
I've ever had in my entire life, just out of

(25:52):
a bag that was frozen. It was incredible. So, yeah,
that was special.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I like that. But the locals can tell, for example,
if they try cariboo, whether it's from a herd that
hung out near the water's edge, or if it was
an inland Cariboo because of the salt content in the meat.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Because if that's like the.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Ones that are near the ocean have more salt, because
the plants that are near the ocean have more salt
spray on them. Like that's crazy, but so cool.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
That the anything fresh cotton. That's the thing I like.
It's the history of preparing foods that you try there.
It is so old and perfected that it's just off
the charts.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Everything I want to give a fresh fish shout out.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
We were on PI for the last couple of days.
As you know, we have an airbnb there. It's the
part time job I wasn't looking for. Not to brag,
but I'm a super host and there were two nights
that weren't being rented by other folks, so we slipped
over and it was all of a sudden, like on
the bridge to PI, it was like the first rain drop,

(27:12):
and then it rained and poured and the temperature kept dropping.
I think the lowest point was sixteen degrees and eighty
kilometer an hour winds and sideways rain. Alas yesterday for
the drive home, the sun came out, which was great.
So there's a place on PI called Richard's Deep Sea Fishing,
and there's a Richard's Seafood. They have unbelievable lobster rolls.

(27:35):
People line up for hours to get them. So I
wanted to show the girls a place that was special
to me in my childhood. It's Cove Head Wharf and
we rolled in there to go to Richard's.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
The line was like an hour long. Is it all?
Is it all sea bugs? Or is like is there
other fish?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Probably score a cheeseburger if you want, but they have
a haddock burghers of course, they a scallop burger scallops.
It is really good. There's no question people wouldn't line
up for something that's garbage. But on one side is
the Blue Water Grill and there was a very short lineup,

(28:16):
so we went there and it was incredible. On the
other side is Rose Tacos, and I'll try them next time.
The reviews are great, but the Blue Water Grill. On
the subject of the freshest fish I've ever had in
my mouth, fries were excellent PI handcut fries. Between us,

(28:36):
we had a haddock burger which was like just a
thin crust, like not the hardcore crunchy crust like just
a thin veneer. Yeah, but the hat I was so
white and so fresh and so tasty.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
It was awesome. I like good hattocks, oh z them.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Carol had lobster roll, Indigo had a fish tacos and
Sugar and I both had the haddock burger.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Anyway, if you're in Coved had the blue water grill.
Was awesome. Man, get me some Yes, being in here
in the middle of the East, ain't it's not the same.
I know, no joke.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
We are so lucky to live in this country that
has so many diverse scenic options and culinary options. You
masks don't have haddock.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's not worth whipping.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
You guys don't have haddock in Ontario.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, it's not worth rosen. Yeah, but you know, yeah, exactly,
it's It's It's still like twenty bucks though for the hattock.
Yeah for the frozen haddock.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Let's take a break. We got up down.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, cheese puppies, joy do.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Brb.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
We are back.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I moved out to my shed. So, as I've probably
talked about before, I bought an old hickory shed in
twenty twenty when COVID hit, as people say, and I
fashioned a desk that was in the basement of the
cottage that my in laws had just bought, and it
was too low, so I put it on a couple

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of four by fours and it was just kind of
sitting up and I trip over the ends of the
four by fours and kind of cobbled together like a
shelf here and something that put things on there. Have
never really settled in. So this is the summer since
I've been taking time off work of doing a few
little projects. We stained the house and barn as I

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think I mentioned, and family wall had a bunch of
pictures developed. I'm going to put on the family wall,
put in different frames and fire up there. And so
I decided to take on my office. Got some i
Kia furniture going sugar and I put it together. It's
so satisfying to get settled.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Is it home? Me in there? Now? You got vibes
it's getting there.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I still have to store a couple of things from
the deck in here that make it feel sort of
like it's try to do dual purpose. But I never
hung anything on the wall. I didn't have proper cabinetry
or storage things. Yeah, now I have instead of a
desk and then a little table with two old FedEx

(31:25):
boxes on it that I stick an iPad on if
I have a zoom. Now I have a desk that
has like a raised tear, so I like that. Yeah,
it's just sleek and economical. And I guess my point
is sometimes the most simple tasks can be so satisfying.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
I need to do my drum room, like I got.
I'm sitting in it and I just look around and
I just see piles of stuff everywhere, and it's like
I don't know where to like how to organize it.
I just try to organize one side and then I
look at the other side and I'm like, how can what?
What's what's the best thing for symbols and drum heads

(32:08):
and snare drunk? Like just what's like shelves? Shelves I
don't think are a good idea because then you're like
kind of putting drums on the wall, and then you're
defeating the purpose of trying to make it sound you know, damp,
dampening the sound of So then I'm like, well you can't.

(32:31):
I guess you could kind of have like a thicker
wall where you put them in, but then it's also
then the symbols are heavy, so you can't have them up.
So you have a lot of different things trying to
figure out here. It's bugging me.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Do you have like a newspaper articles and gold records
and that stuff?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's stuff? No, not at all, not anywhere they're every
like that's there's like drum heads, like for example, in
front of me, there's drumheads stacked between like clumsy gold
records and like gravity gold record between another set of drumheads. Good,

(33:12):
I got a diamond a ward between cymbals on the
other side of the room. Put them on the wall,
but that there's nowhere to put them on the wall.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
But the gold red me. You should hang that stuff.
You should be proud of that.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I know I am proud of it, but I just
don't like it doesn't feel comfortable in any room of
the house, like right, like in other rooms. It feels
stupid to have like a gold record where like by
the TV or something.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, but what's wrong with like the jerritorium. It's your
drum room. But also there's some gold records up there,
and store your drums in there a stick bucket or whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
You I have all that stuff. But yeah, like some
of the stuff all stacked, like I got some like
my Alvin Jones signed picture stacked kind of so it's
kind of like up. But most of the other stuff
is kind of just scattered in like amongst a lot
of an amongst vibe.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I have so at ikea. I got one cabinet off
for like personal things like number one Dad trophy that
should made in elementary school and my mister dress up
tickle trunk forever mug, a little glass cornish pasty from
where my dad was from, like stuff like that thing

(34:33):
Indigo made.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Those all are great to see because when you see
those things, it's like it brings up the conversation of them,
like come on, like that the cup. The coffee cup
has a great story, like everything has a good history.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Awards are just kind of like I don't know, They're
just there and it's like okay, yeah, that's it's so
self explanatory when you look at it. Yeah, and then
it's like I don't want to talk about you know
that that is from there? It's like you know what
I mean I want to talk about?

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Yeah, is that the show in nineteen ninety eight and
anyone that's you know, I don't want to I don't
care about that stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
So like, you know, it's great, but it's like the
stuff you're talking about, it's like, yeah, you know. And
that's why the Alvin Jones like it's stuffed, Like I
want to talk about it because it's a hilarious joke.
Like he literally writes a red Fox joke on the
poster instead of like he didn't even sign Alvin Jones.

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He just wrote a red Fox.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Joke and you know what I mean, Like that to
me is way better than an autograph.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
A typical autograph, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I I I hear you. And I also typically would
not be one to show off or think you're, you know,
trying to prove something to people. But it's also these
are little items you've collected over the course of an
impressive career, and yeah, yeah, they shouldn't be hidden. I don't,

(36:12):
like they're not going to be I'm not going to
have awards over my shoulder in a zoom call like
as a way of intimidating people. But it's kind of
nice to look around my office, like I have a
there's a Street Sense Gold Medal Award from the nineteen
ninety New York Television Festival that I think it's like
a participation medal, Like if you entered the festival, then

(36:35):
you get an award. It's not that it's not to brag,
it's just kind of that is.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
That's the kind of like I mean, I like, I
have a handicap award that I would probably happily put
up from the National, like lowest to handicap for an amateur. Yeah,
like going from like losing the most stroke in your handicap.
So I went from like a twenty five to a

(37:03):
twelve or something. So it's like I won the lowest
handicap award.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, how long did it take you to do that?

Speaker 1 (37:12):
It's a year. It took a year, so it was
literally the first year I joined the National. I'd like
practiced all the time, That's all I did. But it's
a lot easier to become from a twenty five to
a fifteen or twelve or whatever. Like that's a easier
than like going from a to a five. Yeah, and

(37:33):
then it gets even more difficult from a five to
a zero. So but yeah, like that's the kind of
award I'll be like, yeah, let's talk about this.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, put that up?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Is it up? It's somewhere. I had that up somewhere.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Peter Zosky Award.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
That's good and I'm really proud.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Of that's just for a contribution to his tournaments for literacy.
It's Golden Tea.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Oh nice.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I have our Canadian Comedy Award, Taggart and Audio Program
Award up.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah. So
I'm not saying I'm not proud of these awards, like
I'm so super proud of them. It's just the uh,
the conversation. It's not something I'm looking for. Yeah, no,
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
In our music room, I have like the poster from
the Joe Schmoe Show, and uh a poster from john Ovision,
and some street Sense posters like just because they were
sitting in a rubber made bin in the garage, so
I thought I might as well put them up. But
it's not like on the daily parades through our house.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I have our T and t uh, you know, like
from the stage, that big one, the Taggart and panel up.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, and I have the drumhead on our drums.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
There you go, representing there you go. It's big. It's
a big poster. Yeah it is.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
I'll wear my own merch once in a while, will you.
I know you gargol salads, I know you.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Wear you wore the Rock the Cock T shirt recently,
But do you, like, would you ever wear an our
Lady P's T shirt?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
No? I never wore like o LP merch did anywhere
a band? No, we never did. I think there was
kind of a yeah, I think it was the era,
like that was part of the early grunge thing was like,
don't do anything that anybody did in the eighties, and

(39:45):
like that was a huge thing in the eighties, was
wearing your own merch? Was it? Well, I mean the
eighties was the dawn of merch really like seventies a
little bit, but the eighties is when merchandise set shows.
Wearing a band's shirt was like became a thing crazy.
So in the eighties everything was just overdone. So by

(40:07):
the time the early nineties, every first grunge band, they
were always like not partying, don't want to talk about sex,
drugs and rock and roll, like all that stuff was
like not part of the conversation because it was like
not cool anymore, you know what I mean. Like because

(40:27):
that that all went to gangster rap really like the
party girls going crazy like that, that went to gangster rap,
and the grunge was all like no, like you know, whatever,
the purest stuff you can come across, and like, you know,
and as some you know, also the birth of support

(40:48):
for different rights groups and all the they really the
kind of the punk rock mentality of what what really
matters in the world, as opposed to like the rock
and roll typical anthem stuff that happened previous. It was
more about you know, thinking about your own feelings or whatever,

(41:09):
you know, like Nirvana that like the whole thing of
what they did, or Pearl Jam and Sound Guarden and
Alison Chains like those kind of rock bands were a
lot different than the eighties rock bands, even just frame wise,
and I guess a lot of those bands also harkened
back to the seventies as well, the way that those

(41:31):
rock bands were just a little more pure and not
really talking about the lifestyle in the same regard.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
A little more earnest and sincere.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah, I'm you know, a little more like it's almost
like lyrically, instead of party rockets like these Leonard Cohen lyrics,
people started to or Bob Dylan or you know, Neil
Young like that, the more I guess internal thought provoking lyrics.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Also in the nineties, it seemed like rock became serious business. Yeah,
in the wake of the eighties playful hair.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
And metal bands and stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yes, like it's so funny, guys, this is serious what
we're doing here.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, totally so like and that went all the way
back to you know, just the lifestyle too, so it
became kind of like, I don't know, just really a
little more straightforward to be honest, like just do what
you do and try not to be egotistical, because that

(42:43):
was the other thing too, Like being flash and showing
off was not cool anymore, right, So, like you had
to look like you'd just been wearing the same clothes
for a week, and on stage, you didn't jump around,
you didn't do fancy poses. You just kind of stood there,
you know what I mean. Or you were more punk
rock where it was just like you were kind of nuts,

(43:06):
but it was like more like authentic weird as opposed
to like posing for the crowd. Like you didn't see
guys doing solos with their foot on the monitor, right,
and you know, like all of that stuff was like, no, way,
you don't do that anymore. You have to like find
a different, more honest approach to what you're doing. So yeah,
that was at the birth of all that stuff, and

(43:26):
then almost went the other way where it was like
got lost because actually people just stopped thinking that of
trying to reach the back of the audience performance wise, right, So,
I don't know, It's funny how the pendulum can kind
of change. It's like perspective wise, I understand, but when you,
you know, paint everything with that brush, it just starts

(43:48):
to get watered down, I guess, you know, and it pointless.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I remember seeing the Sloans around Halifax and they're like
wearing cords or cardigan sweater.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah threats like cool, yep, yeah, exactly right, Like I'm
not gonna look like I took an hour and a
half to get ready for the show. I'm just gonna
walk on like as if I came from the crowd. Yeah,
like that that was the difference.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
So, so did you did you guys have conversations internally
about like, Okay, let's not try too hard or let
like let's not do this kind of picture or was
it all just sort of.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well, I mean you, I think bands that you will
you know, the bands that naturally what you are, that's
your best chance. It's when someone has to come in
and tell you what to do when things start getting bad,
you know. So you know, we were probably just middle
of the road in terms of the clothes that we chose.

(44:52):
We didn't want to look too fancy, we didn't want
to look too dirty. Like That's why I started wearing glasses,
like thick glasses, because they stood out more than wearing
really normal glasses. Yeah, there's all little things like that
you can can try and control. That's why I started

(45:13):
wearing the number seven all the time. I was like, well,
at least it's something recognizable.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
That's such a cool brand thing.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, and you only have so much space to do
anything without seeming like a dork or you know, silly.
So like you know, like sometimes you would see a
guy in like a pop band dressing like West Porland,
like from Limp Biscuit. The guitar player would always have

(45:44):
like weird makeup and crazy costumes. Like you'd see a
band that should not be trying that like just like trying, yeah,
like the bass player and like some not like not
the Goo Goo dolls, but like that type of band
would have like, you know, tape around his face like
a Laska on but playing like you know whatever ballads

(46:11):
and stuff right not land, Yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So do you remember when, like what what was after grunge?
I remember when boys Grunge coordinates were in the Zeller's
flyer and that was the first evidence that like, okay,
this was over.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
After runge, Like grunge, and there was grunge, and then
there was kind of like pop pop alternative like your
Sugar Rays and their third Eye Blinds three eleven's like that.
There was that kind of thing, and then there was
there was the punk pop, the Blink one eighty two,

(46:50):
Green Day, and then there was new metal that towards
the end of the nineties, right like all the Limp
Biscuit and corn and Pop a Rose and all that stuff.
So it went through and you know, there was a
little there was two seconds of ska, remember that with
the horns. It was a little bit like ninety five,

(47:10):
And that was like no doubt kind of started as
that and then went pop right like they tread the
lines between ska and punk California punk, and then went
like straight up pop. Yeah, I liked it, but yeah,

(47:31):
that was the nineties. It was just kind of everybody
was trying to find stuff and some of it was
just a sore thumb that was just a flash in
the pan. But there was a lot of money getting
made and being spent, and everybody had shitloads of cash
in the nineties. Like we talked about how laptops were

(47:57):
ten thousand dollars in nineteen ninety eight, like it was,
and you know, there were stuff that was super expensive
because people had money to buy stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
It was also a pretty good decade for rock when
you look.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Back on it, absolutely for sure, and some of the
greatest music ever, but very vast like changes. And but
that's that concept of everybody kind of rebelling against the
the eighties party stuff was evident for sure, and it

(48:31):
came back through I think, like you know, it slowly
came back. Did you I don't even know what it
is now.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Did you have conversations internally about alcohol and like in
those days, were you wanting to be perceived as not
straight edge? But we don't know, we don't want to
be seen as a party band.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
We need to No, well, definitely didn't want to be
seen as a party band, like you weren't doing like yeah,
everybody like having specific Like we didn't have partying in
the studio, Like if an A and R guy brought
beer to the studio, we'd be like, we don't, like,
we don't really do that, right, you know?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
So imagine how weird eight guys left over from the
eighties that were like, man, yeah for sure today little.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, Well because a lot of the times not you know,
A and our guys would just want to get hammered
with the band. That was what theyre they did, and
I guess if they didn't see that as an option,
they had to rethink their tool box, right, And you
guys are like, actually, we'd like to golf what yeah, exactly,
like total norbs.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
And that was kind of before, Like you didn't have
video games or anything backstage.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Did you, Yeah, for sure, Like we played stupid Halo
or like sports games mostly just revolved around gambling and
like getting into arguments over owing each other money. Really,
oh for sure, Like so stupid like gambling that just

(50:12):
would escalate to thousands of dollars within like hours.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
And you had cash, so everyone could just throw cash
in the.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Kiddy exactly but next thing, you know, yoa guy three
grand from playing video games? Like, what the hell's going
on here?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Oh it was a different time.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
It was a different time. But yeah, gambling was an
issue in that band.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Really.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
It seemed to always happen no matter what we were doing, golfing,
whatever else. I don't know. It was pretty funny. I
did win a lot of money off those guys playing
really for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Did all three them maps golf?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah, but Steve would obviously never gambled. It was Duncan
and Rain mostly mostly Rain that gambled. I like taking
money off him on the golf course. Would he enjoy
that again? I would do that more than play with them.
I'll be happy to gamble with Nata.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, I'll play with him again in a tournament. Have
they announced who Pearl Jam's new drummer is.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
No, Nope, I do not know. I would like to
be that. It would be great if it was me,
you would be great. That'd be nice. That would be
great for sure.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Must list of drummers that can could just slide.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
In very short list, definitely, And those guys are just
so close with so many great musicians, so I can't
see that being like a very public.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Thing, right, and they might have had a notion before
Matt left.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I don't, yeah, I don't. I have no idea, to
be honest, Like it was, it was very shocking to
me that he left. So and uh, all I've done
is send him well wishes on you know everything that
that's forward And I'm not asking him anything about anything.
I mean, in my mind, i'd be it would be

(52:32):
fantastic if if Sound Garden did something again, I mean
that they're that that might be a thing that would
be amazing. But you know, he's had such an incredible
career with more than one band, and uh, to be
in the Hall of Fame twice, it's pretty wool. That

(52:53):
guy can do whatever he wants.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
And also, uh, maybe time is the most valuable currency
and he just wants to be home.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Twenty seven years man, that's a long time. That's a
lot of rocking, for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I think about that. Like Luke Bryan is coming to
Moncton as part of a country festival, and we saw
him probably ten years ago in Moncton as part of
a country festival. It doesn't matter who you are. At
a certain point, there's no show that would give you

(53:34):
an adrenaline rush is there. I was thinking about, like
you're saying that about the Stones, like, oh, it's a
good crowd out there tonight. Do they ever really feel like,
oh this one counts, we really need to make this
one count or at that level, is it like yeah,
it's another show. It's I'm going to make two hundred

(53:54):
thousand from this.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
No yeah, no, great A great band is like they
really care about making that count. So it's like it's
gonna count. This one's gonna count like the first one counted,
you know what I mean? Like a great band, like
that's all they want to do, is like kill it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
All the uh on the way great bands.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
You can tell a great band because they're all dead afterwards,
and it's like what why why are they so tired?
Because they want to give it all? And that's what
people think. You can't lie about that, you can't fake that.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Who's the best live band you've ever seen? Sorry, let
me let me alter the question. Not well, I mean
it's different performance.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah, Like I never The first and only time I
saw Jeff Buckley, I was like, what the fuck? This
is fucking crazy? He was a opening for Julianna Hatfield
at the Danforth Music Hall.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
What was crazy about it?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Like I only heard I knew his record. He was
on our label, Richard Walker from Sony let us hear
the Grace album like a month or couple of months
before it came out, and I was like, this record
is just so different and his voice was so strong,
and the songs were interesting, and he only wanted to

(55:32):
play like weird venues, Like he didn't want to play
typical clubs, like he wanted to play like church basements
and stuff. Like. He just had a different perspective of
what he wanted to do and how he wanted to
do it. So that was refreshing because his perspective was
as different as his music was. And just to see

(55:57):
that original band playing and he was firing on all cylinders,
it was just incredible. Like his voice was just like
he was doing stuff I'd never seen, Like he would
sing off the mic and then his guitar would start
feeding back, and then he would harmonize with the feedback

(56:18):
with another vocal from like far off the mic. I
was like, what the fuck is going on? Like just
not stuff?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
So did he want to play weird venues? Because of sonics.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
No, I think he just wanted to come like he
was kind of punk rock. I guess like he just
didn't want to do the same route that everybody else did.
He loved like the singers that he loved was like
Nina Simone and Liza Minelli and just people that weren't typical. Right.
His father was an incredible musician that died at twenty seven.

(56:57):
He died at twenty seven, know, mysteriously, it's just a
kind of kind of like one of those people that
you think, it's like, oh, okay, I get it, Like
they weren't supposed to be here long, but that's why
they were so good, because you knew they weren't going
to be here and now that that was a that's

(57:17):
definitely a thing with some some artists, like it's just
you see, they're so good, like there's no way they
can spread that out over time. It's like almost like
it has to be an explosion, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Their legend grows. We saw did you watch the Bob
Dylan movie?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Sorry I didn't hear you there, your gargled.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Oh am, I did you see the Bob Dylan movie.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
One more time?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Did you see the Bob Dylan movie.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yes, yes I did.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
He was quite a cat.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
You're gargling, but I mean, yeah, I know you're good.
Now you're good, You're back.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
He was quite a cat like as far as someone
who knew the purpose of his artistry early on.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Yeah, And I think that they really captured that about him.
And I think Timothy Shallomey did a really great job
of capturing his kind of it's not it's almost like
not given a ship about certain things like that just
aloofness where it's just I'm doing, I'm writing all the time,

(58:38):
I have a vision. I'm kind of a dick, you know.
He came that, you know, like I don't really care
about other people's feelings as much as you can, you
know what I mean, Because that's that's him from what
I've like, I think the best perspectives I've I've heard
on Bob Dylan was Joni Mitchell, and she was always like,

(59:02):
you know, it was like a sweet and sour It's like, yeah,
he's a genius. Yes he's incredibly talented, but yes he's
the biggest phony I've ever met. Wow, Like everything that
comes out of his mouth is postured in.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
A sense, biggest jerk I've ever met.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
No, No, the posture, like just the you can see
the wheels spinning. She could see the wheel spinning of
like you know, they you know, he's a master of
all a lot of different things. And and uh, I think,
you know, blasting out this kind of odd persona was

(59:39):
part of it, you know, like making sure people weren't
sure what the hell he was thinking.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
So intriguing.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, but that that's usually that's part of a great artist,
is thinking like they can't really be that smart, can they? Oh?
Thank you? It's like sometimes they are. I've heard some
craziest stories about Bob Dylan, Like you know, engineer Jim

(01:00:08):
from the Jay and Dan part, he did a Bob
Dylan session and he was talking about how they were
working on a song and he was he was they
were listening back to a session that they had just done,
and he was in the live room on a piano
with headphones on. So he was listening to the playback

(01:00:31):
of the session, previous take, and he was on the piano,
but he was playing something other than other than the
song that they were listening to. So Jim was recording
what he was doing. And so Bob's listened, you know,
playing this whole other song. But then when the song

(01:00:52):
playback ends, he starts telling everybody what he wants them
to do in that song, like change try this or
you know, ritard this part here, play this part a
little laid back to each musician of this the previous
take whoa, and then whatever that goes by and then

(01:01:12):
and then they go they move on to the next song,
and it turns out he was playing the next song
already while while he was listening to the other playback. Wow,
he was playing the next song just next live, So
like literally doing two things at once, and also like
being able to transpose, which is very difficult from keys.

(01:01:37):
Like if you're able to do that, that's that's a
whole new level of musician compared to like learning a
couple of chords and be able to play like transposing
and changing keys and being able to play stuff on
the fly while people change stuff Like that's like the
whole that's the real deal. And he's the d does
all that stuff. So I I don't know, I'm not

(01:02:01):
sure what to think of Bob Dylan because like you
hear this, yeah, he's this and that, but I think
it's all true. Maybe not where he's from or what
he's seen, but what he plays and what he knows
playing music wise, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I almost thought like everyone around him changed and he
never really did.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, or he was constantly changing, because I mean he
never He doesn't like to record the same thing twice, right,
So I mean, if you're that type of musician, you
don't like to try and recapture something you just did.

(01:02:47):
I mean, that's that's pretty pretty pure artist, right, Like
guys you don't like to if they're really into art,
whatever they make because they're at a certain level because
is as good as the last, and there's not. The
only difference is the next thing compared to the last thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
And fighting for the electric when nobody was ready for
it or wanted him to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
That's purely well I think he did, but that's all. Yeah.
But those type of people, they'll they'll like they'll be
ready to do one whole thing one way, but you
say one thing, and they're going to change everything that
they were going to do because you said that one thing.
You know that that's that's also good and bad. It's like,

(01:03:38):
I'm willing to take this whole thing into the ditch
because of your suggestion, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
So, Buds, keep your eyes peeled for this Bob Dylan character.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah, it's gonna do big out there. Happy three fifty,
Happy three fifty, Bud. Let's do it again soon. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
What good then,