December 30, 2024 • 15 mins
This week, reflecting on the year of development with assistive technology Damo looks at :
breakthroughs with Smart Glasses with focus on the Meta and ARX Vision products;
Release of the pockets sized BTSpeak from Blazie Technologies and Orbit Speak from Orbit Research;
The release of the Dot Pad and Monarch multi line tactile braille displays;
The expansion of AI in particular Apple Intelligence and the FSCompanion and Ask MS Accessibility blind and low vision Windows accessibility help tools.
To access the program, presented by Stephen Jolley and Damo McMorrow you can go to varadio.org/talkingtech
To write to the show use damo.mcmorrow@visionaustralia.org
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S1 (00:08):
Hello everyone. Welcome to Talking Tech. This edition, available from
the 31st of December 2024. Yes, we're there already. I'm
Stephen Jolly. Great to have you with us listening maybe
through Vision Australia Radio, associated stations of the Radio Reading
Network or the Community Radio Network. There is also the podcast.
(00:28):
To catch that, all you need to do is search
for the two words talking tech and Dan. It can
all come usually on a Tuesday afternoon just after it's
been produced. Another option is to ask your Siri device
or smart speaker to play. Vision Australia radio talking tech podcast.
Vision Australia radio talking tech podcast. With me. Vision Australia's
(00:49):
national access technology manager. Damo McMorrow. Damo, how's your Christmas
New Year period going?
S2 (00:57):
Fantastic. Nice and relaxing. It's a good time of year.
S1 (01:00):
Well about time. You did a bit of work. Now then.
So let's reflect on the year in technology, particularly access
or assistive technology, and some very interesting developments in both
hardware and software. I want to ask you first about
what's been a great breakthrough, the Ray-Ban meta smart glasses.
S2 (01:21):
These are definitely high on my list of, you know,
cool things for 2024. These are, for all intents and purposes,
a conventional looking set of Ray-Ban sunglasses, and they come
in a few different styles and shapes depending on the
shape of your face and what have you. But they
do have a I think it's a 12 or 13
(01:41):
megapixel camera in the top of the left hand lens,
and a small LED in the same spot on the
right hand lens. The right arm of the glasses is
a touchpad, and you can, by using your voice, access
a whole bunch of AI based features so you can
say things like, hey, meta, look and tell me what
you see. Hey meta, look and read me this text.
(02:04):
You can use them for things like clothes matching. So
hey meta, what color is this shirt? You can use
it for all sorts of different things. Look and tell
me if there is any signage. And we've also now
got access to both IRA and Be my Eyes through
this device as well. So you can now use them
(02:24):
as a hands free solution for those sort of visual
interpreting services.
S1 (02:28):
You can even have a video call with a friend.
S2 (02:32):
Yeah, you can through messenger or WhatsApp. And you can
also use them to record videos or take photos. So
you can do that either by voice, or you can
do it by pressing the little button on the top
of the right hand arm. The nice thing is that
it'll take the picture wherever you're looking. That is often
easier than trying to position your iPhone camera.
S1 (02:54):
A very simple application might be you're in the vicinity
of a building. You could ring a friend or partner
and say, I think I'm at the building. Can you
guide me into the reception desk?
S2 (03:04):
Yeah, absolutely. It works really well for that sort of situation.
S1 (03:09):
This is probably the surprise of the year, I suspect,
because it sort of snuck up on us. It was
a mainstream item which came out from meta. It was
quickly realised that this had enormous application for the blind
and low vision community around the world. And here we are.
S2 (03:27):
Absolutely. And because it's a mainstream item, it is at
a sort of a consumer price point. You know, you're
looking at sort of $450 for this, what is really
quite amazing technology.
S1 (03:38):
Mhm. There are comparable devices doing similar things like Ark's vision.
S2 (03:45):
Yes. So the Ark's vision was officially released last year
in the UK, but it wasn't available until around about
September this year here in Australia. And they've made some
significant improvements to the initial one that was released overseas.
This is a essentially a bone conduction type headset where.
(04:08):
So if you're familiar with the aftershocks type headphones, it's
similar to that. The headband goes around the back of
your head and the earpieces sit on your cheekbone. So
just sort of forward of your ears. That way your
ears are not covered and you can still judge your
surroundings and that kind of thing. And on the right
hand end of the unit is a camera module, which
(04:29):
is sort of a small rectangular box with some buttons.
And at the moment the device is only Android. They
still haven't released the iPhone adapter for it, although I'm
told that that's coming sort of any day now. But, um,
it does pair to your phone with a cable, and
you then run the vision app, and you can then
(04:50):
control it using the buttons on the camera module. So
it has a text recognition mode, a document mode, uh,
it has a scene description mode. And it also has
what they call ask, which is where you can scan
a document and then ask questions about the document, like
what's the cheapest thing on the menu? How much do
(05:10):
I have to pay for this bill? When's the bill due?
That sort of thing. So it is sort of doing
some similar functions, but it does them in a slightly
different way. And like all of these things, there are
pros and cons. I think the document reading function in
the R is definitely better, because the meta glass has
always want to try and summarize things for you, rather
(05:32):
than just reading the document, so that can be a
little frustrating. But on the other hand, the meta glasses
are lighter, smaller, and look like a conventional set of glasses.
So if you're fashion conscious, you know that might be
important to you. So it really depends on what you're
trying to do as to which one of these wearables
(05:52):
might actually suit you.
S3 (05:54):
Um.
S1 (05:55):
Going back to mainstream devices, zoom. A great breakthrough in
the recording field?
S2 (06:01):
Yes, absolutely. So zoom have now released four recorders. Field
recorder type devices that have built in accessibility. And this
is actually quite a significant milestone, simply because it's a
mainstream device that is accessible out of the box, and
also that you actually have to opt out of the accessibility.
(06:23):
So in other words, when you turn the recorder on,
it comes up talking and says, if you don't want
the accessibility, if you don't want the speech, press this button.
Otherwise the accessibility stays on. Whereas with a lot of devices,
you've got to navigate through ten levels of menu just
to turn the accessibility feature on in the first place.
So there's the zoom. H1 essentials is the sort of
(06:44):
the most basic of these recorders. It just has a stereo, um,
sort of x y type microphone pickup. And it's a
very small unit. Then we've got the H2 Two essentials,
which has two different types of external mics with different
pickup patterns. And then there's the H4 essentials, which has, uh,
(07:08):
the ability to connect two external microphones as well as
using the internal ones. And then you've got the sort
of the Rolls-Royce version, which is the H6 essentials, which
can take four external microphone inputs, or you can use
the the internals. So if you're recording a lot of
interviews and, uh, you know, podcasts and those sorts of
(07:28):
things where you want multiple microphones, then probably the H6
essentials is the way to go. But just having these
things accessible out of the box, you know, for for
those of you that use a digital recorder, I mean,
I use the H1 essentials a lot, I suppose a
substitute for photographs. You know, I like to record soundscapes.
I like to record, you know, Marion and I go
(07:49):
somewhere on holiday, and there's a particular sound that I
associate with that I like to record that and be
able to review it as a, you know, as someone
would photographs. But equally, if I go to a car
show or an air show or something like that, you know,
I can record the stuff that I'm hearing.
S1 (08:05):
And they double as an audio interface as well, separate
from the recording function.
S2 (08:09):
Really great. Yeah, absolutely. So you can use them with
your Mac or your PC or your iPhone or your
Android phone to record phone interviews and those kinds of things.
S1 (08:18):
Let's go to Braille now, Braille displays. And I think
the one that really attracted a lot of attention, particularly
of Braille devotees, is the BT speak from Blazie technologies.
S2 (08:31):
Especially for those people who had a Braille and speak
back in the 80s or 90s. So this is a
little device that has a Perkins style Braille keyboard and
speech out. It's about the same footprint as an iPhone 15,
but it's probably as thick as two iPhones stacked on
(08:51):
top of each other. So very small sort of thing
you can carry in a jacket pocket or a man
bag or a handbag and just quickly whip out and
use as a note taker. But it's really come a
long way this year. You know, from when it came
out in sort of February, since then we've got things
like a YouTube streaming application, a Google Drive integration. We've
(09:12):
got a phone book that you can integrate with your
Google Contacts. You've got the ability now to have the
sort of vocalizer type voices, as opposed to just E-speak
and Dectalk, which is what it came out with. So
it's got a quite a rapid development cycle and is
sort of coming ahead in in leaps and bounds. It's
a really nice little device. But for those who remember
(09:35):
the old Braylon speak, it's sort of a almost like
a modern day Braylon speak, really.
S1 (09:40):
The long awaited orbit speak from orbit. Research is now
out there in the field.
S2 (09:46):
Yes. Now, I have to admit that I haven't actually
had my hands on one of these. It's sort of.
I guess it's similar in concept. so Braille input speech output.
It has a number of built in applications as well
as I think being able to act as a terminal
or a keyboard for your, you know, your iPhone or
other other smart type devices. This one took quite a
(10:09):
long time. It was first announced about two and a
half years ago, so it took a long time, unfortunately,
to sort of reach the market. And I think that
probably the BT speak got the jump on them a
little bit. It is, it is uh, a bit cheaper
than the BT speak.
S1 (10:23):
We've got to talk about the world of tactile braille displays,
and I think of the dot pad and the monarch.
Those devices have really come well through their adolescence and
early adulthood now aren't they? They're in the market.
S2 (10:36):
Oh yeah. Definitely. Definitely. We saw the launch of the
monarch here in Australia a few months ago. And, you know,
I think this is sort of going to be the
next generation of Braille technology, really. You know, it will
be possible with a multi-line display to read, books to
display graphics. You know, all of those sorts of things. Unfortunately,
they're still quite large and quite heavy, but it's just
(10:58):
brilliant to be able to have that multi-line functionality so
that you can look at tables and those sorts of things.
And of course, being able to produce tactile graphics as
well means that you could look at graphs, you could
zoom into a picture, that kind of thing. So I
think these things have got massive potential for the education market,
(11:21):
particularly in those sort of science, technology, engineering and maths
type subjects. Um, but even just for someone who is
an avid reader or who works with long and complex documents, um,
that multiline functionality is is going to be a game changer.
I think they are expensive.
S1 (11:38):
We certainly need those who fund education and support of
employers to come to the party with those devices.
S2 (11:45):
And I think as the technology improves and develops further,
hopefully we'll start to see the price drop. You know,
as tends to happen with new tech. It's always expensive
at the start. And then as they become a little
more accepted and a little more mainstream, that hopefully the
cost will come down and there'll be more within reach
of anybody that needs them.
S1 (12:04):
We have talked a lot during the year about the
major software movement, shall we say, and that's AI, which
has really developed from when we first heard about it
about two years ago. The big thing has been, I think,
the Apple intelligence.
S2 (12:20):
Yeah, that's definitely been a big one. And it's kind
of a major refresh for Siri. So you can integrate
it with ChatGPT, which is one of the other big
sort of AI engines. You can use it to summarize emails, notifications,
all sorts of things really, but I think I generally,
you know, I mean, we talked about the meta glasses
(12:41):
and the AI that's built into that. Uh, on last
week's show, we talked about the voice mode or conversation
mode in ChatGPT and what you can do with that.
And there's things like the the Google Notebook LM feature
as well, where you can generate a summary that almost
sounds like a podcast with two people discussing the content.
(13:02):
You know, it's really been a massive, uh, thing, I
think AI in the last 12 months. We've also seen though,
the video description that we talked about a few weeks
ago on the show, through seeing AI and pixie Bot
and being able to describe video content.
S1 (13:19):
And also with the accessibility of various software tools, we've
got the Jaws companion, we've got Ask Miss Accessibility, Microsoft.
They're making a difference, aren't they?
S2 (13:30):
Absolutely, yes. And there's, you know, Rim bot, which is
designed for sort of tech support. Uh, so those things
have been a massive game changer. And just in terms
of being able to just quickly get the information that
you need.
S1 (13:43):
A lot has happened in 2024, a lot to look
forward to in 2 in 2025. Before we go, a
reminder that you can find details of what we've been
talking about in this and previous editions of the program
by going to VA radio, dot org slash talking tech,
VA radio, dot org slash talking tech, and to write
(14:05):
to the program.
S2 (14:06):
You can email me Damo Damo dot McMorrow Mkmo r
o w at Vision australia.org. And thank you everyone for
your emails. And I just want to take the opportunity
to wish you a very happy and prosperous 2025.
S1 (14:22):
And the same to you. Damo Damo McMorrow at Vision australia.org.
This has been talking tech with me has been Vision
Australia's national Access technology manager Damo McMorrow. I'm Stephen Jolly.
Have a great 2025 everyone. We'll see you then. Take care.
We'll talk more tech next week. Bye.
Hello everyone. Welcome to Talking Tech. This edition, available from
the 31st of December 2024. Yes, we're there already. I'm
Stephen Jolly. Great to have you with us listening maybe
through Vision Australia Radio, associated stations of the Radio Reading
Network or the Community Radio Network. There is also the podcast.
(00:28):
To catch that, all you need to do is search
for the two words talking tech and Dan. It can
all come usually on a Tuesday afternoon just after it's
been produced. Another option is to ask your Siri device
or smart speaker to play. Vision Australia radio talking tech podcast.
Vision Australia radio talking tech podcast. With me. Vision Australia's
(00:49):
national access technology manager. Damo McMorrow. Damo, how's your Christmas
New Year period going?
S2 (00:57):
Fantastic. Nice and relaxing. It's a good time of year.
S1 (01:00):
Well about time. You did a bit of work. Now then.
So let's reflect on the year in technology, particularly access
or assistive technology, and some very interesting developments in both
hardware and software. I want to ask you first about
what's been a great breakthrough, the Ray-Ban meta smart glasses.
S2 (01:21):
These are definitely high on my list of, you know,
cool things for 2024. These are, for all intents and purposes,
a conventional looking set of Ray-Ban sunglasses, and they come
in a few different styles and shapes depending on the
shape of your face and what have you. But they
do have a I think it's a 12 or 13
(01:41):
megapixel camera in the top of the left hand lens,
and a small LED in the same spot on the
right hand lens. The right arm of the glasses is
a touchpad, and you can, by using your voice, access
a whole bunch of AI based features so you can
say things like, hey, meta, look and tell me what
you see. Hey meta, look and read me this text.
(02:04):
You can use them for things like clothes matching. So
hey meta, what color is this shirt? You can use
it for all sorts of different things. Look and tell
me if there is any signage. And we've also now
got access to both IRA and Be my Eyes through
this device as well. So you can now use them
(02:24):
as a hands free solution for those sort of visual
interpreting services.
S1 (02:28):
You can even have a video call with a friend.
S2 (02:32):
Yeah, you can through messenger or WhatsApp. And you can
also use them to record videos or take photos. So
you can do that either by voice, or you can
do it by pressing the little button on the top
of the right hand arm. The nice thing is that
it'll take the picture wherever you're looking. That is often
easier than trying to position your iPhone camera.
S1 (02:54):
A very simple application might be you're in the vicinity
of a building. You could ring a friend or partner
and say, I think I'm at the building. Can you
guide me into the reception desk?
S2 (03:04):
Yeah, absolutely. It works really well for that sort of situation.
S1 (03:09):
This is probably the surprise of the year, I suspect,
because it sort of snuck up on us. It was
a mainstream item which came out from meta. It was
quickly realised that this had enormous application for the blind
and low vision community around the world. And here we are.
S2 (03:27):
Absolutely. And because it's a mainstream item, it is at
a sort of a consumer price point. You know, you're
looking at sort of $450 for this, what is really
quite amazing technology.
S1 (03:38):
Mhm. There are comparable devices doing similar things like Ark's vision.
S2 (03:45):
Yes. So the Ark's vision was officially released last year
in the UK, but it wasn't available until around about
September this year here in Australia. And they've made some
significant improvements to the initial one that was released overseas.
This is a essentially a bone conduction type headset where.
(04:08):
So if you're familiar with the aftershocks type headphones, it's
similar to that. The headband goes around the back of
your head and the earpieces sit on your cheekbone. So
just sort of forward of your ears. That way your
ears are not covered and you can still judge your
surroundings and that kind of thing. And on the right
hand end of the unit is a camera module, which
(04:29):
is sort of a small rectangular box with some buttons.
And at the moment the device is only Android. They
still haven't released the iPhone adapter for it, although I'm
told that that's coming sort of any day now. But, um,
it does pair to your phone with a cable, and
you then run the vision app, and you can then
(04:50):
control it using the buttons on the camera module. So
it has a text recognition mode, a document mode, uh,
it has a scene description mode. And it also has
what they call ask, which is where you can scan
a document and then ask questions about the document, like
what's the cheapest thing on the menu? How much do
(05:10):
I have to pay for this bill? When's the bill due?
That sort of thing. So it is sort of doing
some similar functions, but it does them in a slightly
different way. And like all of these things, there are
pros and cons. I think the document reading function in
the R is definitely better, because the meta glass has
always want to try and summarize things for you, rather
(05:32):
than just reading the document, so that can be a
little frustrating. But on the other hand, the meta glasses
are lighter, smaller, and look like a conventional set of glasses.
So if you're fashion conscious, you know that might be
important to you. So it really depends on what you're
trying to do as to which one of these wearables
(05:52):
might actually suit you.
S3 (05:54):
Um.
S1 (05:55):
Going back to mainstream devices, zoom. A great breakthrough in
the recording field?
S2 (06:01):
Yes, absolutely. So zoom have now released four recorders. Field
recorder type devices that have built in accessibility. And this
is actually quite a significant milestone, simply because it's a
mainstream device that is accessible out of the box, and
also that you actually have to opt out of the accessibility.
(06:23):
So in other words, when you turn the recorder on,
it comes up talking and says, if you don't want
the accessibility, if you don't want the speech, press this button.
Otherwise the accessibility stays on. Whereas with a lot of devices,
you've got to navigate through ten levels of menu just
to turn the accessibility feature on in the first place.
So there's the zoom. H1 essentials is the sort of
(06:44):
the most basic of these recorders. It just has a stereo, um,
sort of x y type microphone pickup. And it's a
very small unit. Then we've got the H2 Two essentials,
which has two different types of external mics with different
pickup patterns. And then there's the H4 essentials, which has, uh,
(07:08):
the ability to connect two external microphones as well as
using the internal ones. And then you've got the sort
of the Rolls-Royce version, which is the H6 essentials, which
can take four external microphone inputs, or you can use
the the internals. So if you're recording a lot of
interviews and, uh, you know, podcasts and those sorts of
(07:28):
things where you want multiple microphones, then probably the H6
essentials is the way to go. But just having these
things accessible out of the box, you know, for for
those of you that use a digital recorder, I mean,
I use the H1 essentials a lot, I suppose a
substitute for photographs. You know, I like to record soundscapes.
I like to record, you know, Marion and I go
(07:49):
somewhere on holiday, and there's a particular sound that I
associate with that I like to record that and be
able to review it as a, you know, as someone
would photographs. But equally, if I go to a car
show or an air show or something like that, you know,
I can record the stuff that I'm hearing.
S1 (08:05):
And they double as an audio interface as well, separate
from the recording function.
S2 (08:09):
Really great. Yeah, absolutely. So you can use them with
your Mac or your PC or your iPhone or your
Android phone to record phone interviews and those kinds of things.
S1 (08:18):
Let's go to Braille now, Braille displays. And I think
the one that really attracted a lot of attention, particularly
of Braille devotees, is the BT speak from Blazie technologies.
S2 (08:31):
Especially for those people who had a Braille and speak
back in the 80s or 90s. So this is a
little device that has a Perkins style Braille keyboard and
speech out. It's about the same footprint as an iPhone 15,
but it's probably as thick as two iPhones stacked on
(08:51):
top of each other. So very small sort of thing
you can carry in a jacket pocket or a man
bag or a handbag and just quickly whip out and
use as a note taker. But it's really come a
long way this year. You know, from when it came
out in sort of February, since then we've got things
like a YouTube streaming application, a Google Drive integration. We've
(09:12):
got a phone book that you can integrate with your
Google Contacts. You've got the ability now to have the
sort of vocalizer type voices, as opposed to just E-speak
and Dectalk, which is what it came out with. So
it's got a quite a rapid development cycle and is
sort of coming ahead in in leaps and bounds. It's
a really nice little device. But for those who remember
(09:35):
the old Braylon speak, it's sort of a almost like
a modern day Braylon speak, really.
S1 (09:40):
The long awaited orbit speak from orbit. Research is now
out there in the field.
S2 (09:46):
Yes. Now, I have to admit that I haven't actually
had my hands on one of these. It's sort of.
I guess it's similar in concept. so Braille input speech output.
It has a number of built in applications as well
as I think being able to act as a terminal
or a keyboard for your, you know, your iPhone or
other other smart type devices. This one took quite a
(10:09):
long time. It was first announced about two and a
half years ago, so it took a long time, unfortunately,
to sort of reach the market. And I think that
probably the BT speak got the jump on them a
little bit. It is, it is uh, a bit cheaper
than the BT speak.
S1 (10:23):
We've got to talk about the world of tactile braille displays,
and I think of the dot pad and the monarch.
Those devices have really come well through their adolescence and
early adulthood now aren't they? They're in the market.
S2 (10:36):
Oh yeah. Definitely. Definitely. We saw the launch of the
monarch here in Australia a few months ago. And, you know,
I think this is sort of going to be the
next generation of Braille technology, really. You know, it will
be possible with a multi-line display to read, books to
display graphics. You know, all of those sorts of things. Unfortunately,
they're still quite large and quite heavy, but it's just
(10:58):
brilliant to be able to have that multi-line functionality so
that you can look at tables and those sorts of things.
And of course, being able to produce tactile graphics as
well means that you could look at graphs, you could
zoom into a picture, that kind of thing. So I
think these things have got massive potential for the education market,
(11:21):
particularly in those sort of science, technology, engineering and maths
type subjects. Um, but even just for someone who is
an avid reader or who works with long and complex documents, um,
that multiline functionality is is going to be a game changer.
I think they are expensive.
S1 (11:38):
We certainly need those who fund education and support of
employers to come to the party with those devices.
S2 (11:45):
And I think as the technology improves and develops further,
hopefully we'll start to see the price drop. You know,
as tends to happen with new tech. It's always expensive
at the start. And then as they become a little
more accepted and a little more mainstream, that hopefully the
cost will come down and there'll be more within reach
of anybody that needs them.
S1 (12:04):
We have talked a lot during the year about the
major software movement, shall we say, and that's AI, which
has really developed from when we first heard about it
about two years ago. The big thing has been, I think,
the Apple intelligence.
S2 (12:20):
Yeah, that's definitely been a big one. And it's kind
of a major refresh for Siri. So you can integrate
it with ChatGPT, which is one of the other big
sort of AI engines. You can use it to summarize emails, notifications,
all sorts of things really, but I think I generally,
you know, I mean, we talked about the meta glasses
(12:41):
and the AI that's built into that. Uh, on last
week's show, we talked about the voice mode or conversation
mode in ChatGPT and what you can do with that.
And there's things like the the Google Notebook LM feature
as well, where you can generate a summary that almost
sounds like a podcast with two people discussing the content.
(13:02):
You know, it's really been a massive, uh, thing, I
think AI in the last 12 months. We've also seen though,
the video description that we talked about a few weeks
ago on the show, through seeing AI and pixie Bot
and being able to describe video content.
S1 (13:19):
And also with the accessibility of various software tools, we've
got the Jaws companion, we've got Ask Miss Accessibility, Microsoft.
They're making a difference, aren't they?
S2 (13:30):
Absolutely, yes. And there's, you know, Rim bot, which is
designed for sort of tech support. Uh, so those things
have been a massive game changer. And just in terms
of being able to just quickly get the information that
you need.
S1 (13:43):
A lot has happened in 2024, a lot to look
forward to in 2 in 2025. Before we go, a
reminder that you can find details of what we've been
talking about in this and previous editions of the program
by going to VA radio, dot org slash talking tech,
VA radio, dot org slash talking tech, and to write
(14:05):
to the program.
S2 (14:06):
You can email me Damo Damo dot McMorrow Mkmo r
o w at Vision australia.org. And thank you everyone for
your emails. And I just want to take the opportunity
to wish you a very happy and prosperous 2025.
S1 (14:22):
And the same to you. Damo Damo McMorrow at Vision australia.org.
This has been talking tech with me has been Vision
Australia's national Access technology manager Damo McMorrow. I'm Stephen Jolly.
Have a great 2025 everyone. We'll see you then. Take care.
We'll talk more tech next week. Bye.
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