March 4, 2025 • 14 mins
This week we cover:
- News of the imminent roll out of Amazon Alexa Plus;
- Information about a blindness and low vision oriented Linux Resource at http://blindlinux.com. (Note no ‘s’ before the ‘:’).
- Damo is off to the assistive technology conference at CSUN in California and talks about his preparation for the adventure.
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S1 (00:07):
Hello everyone. Welcome to Talking Tech. This edition available from
March the 4th, 2025. I'm Stephen Jolly. Great to have
you with us listening maybe through Vision Australia Radio, associated
stations of the Radio Reading Network or the Community Radio Network.
There is also the podcast. To catch that, all you
need to do is search for the two words talking
(00:28):
tech and Dan. It can all come usually on a
Tuesday afternoon just after it's been produced. Another option is
to ask your Siri device or smart speaker to play.
Vision Australia radio talking tech podcast. Vision Australia radio talking
tech podcast with me. Vision Australia's national access technology manager.
Damo McMorrow. Hey, Damo.
S2 (00:49):
G'day, Stephen.
S1 (00:50):
Alexa, it's been around for a while. It's going to
have a bit of a facelift soon.
S2 (00:54):
That's right. Amazon have announced Alexa Plus. This is sort
of the AI powered version of the Alexa virtual assistant.
They're saying that it will be rolled out sort of
to in terms of early access this month, but that
it will be rolled out progressively over the coming months
(01:18):
to varying devices, they'll say. They're saying that it's more conversational.
It will, for example, remember the context. So it'll remember
the last few things you asked it, that kind of thing,
and be able to sort of link those together to
to sort of have a more conversational interaction. Um, and
obviously all of the other benefits that we've, we're already
(01:40):
seeing with things like, uh, ChatGPT and, you know, other
other AI platforms like it.
S1 (01:47):
It's interesting. I'm one of those users who uses Alexa
on my standalone device, Alexa devices, but I've also got
it with my Sonos system, and it'll be interesting to
see how it integrates with that. I guess it won't
be the first application of it, though.
S2 (02:03):
No, at this point, they're saying that it'll work on
the Echo show eight. Echo show ten. And I think
the Echo Show 15. At this stage, it won't be
available on your sort of echo Dot Echo Pop type speakers,
but it will be later on, I believe. Um, one
thing to note is that there is a cost associated
(02:25):
with it, unless you're an Amazon Prime member. So if
you're an Amazon Prime member, you'll get it for free.
If you're not an Amazon Prime member, um, it'll cost
you $20 a month. So Amazon Prime is a much
cheaper way to get it, because then you get all
of the other benefits of like, you know, next day
delivery and all of those things. So, um, if you're
not an Amazon Prime member now and you're likely to
(02:47):
want it, it might be a cheaper way to get
it than just paying for the Alexa Plus as a standalone.
S1 (02:52):
And we apologize to all those people whose devices have
come on and off in the last two minutes or
so when we've been talking about it.
S2 (03:00):
Yes. Including mine incidentally.
S1 (03:03):
So yes, a lady plus a facelift coming there, and
it'll hit your device before you realize.
S2 (03:10):
Probably, probably. Um, it's an interesting thing, though, isn't it,
when you think I'm sort of wondering whether they've missed
the boat or whether a little bit too late to
the party, because we've already got things like conversational mode
with ChatGPT, we've got things like our meta glasses that
do that, and I'm not particularly interested in having a
conversation with the device as, as such. But, you know,
(03:33):
the fact that it does remember what you've already asked,
it is quite useful. But I do sort of think,
given that, you know, these things a couple of years
ago were really leading the way in sort of voice interaction.
It seems to me that it's perhaps a little bit, um,
a little bit later than I would have liked. You know,
I would have expected them to jump on the bandwagon
(03:53):
a little earlier. So I guess we'll see when it
comes out how good it is and whether it's something
that people decide to adopt.
S1 (04:01):
And we'll see more with Siri, the Apple Intelligence feature,
as the year goes on, too.
S2 (04:08):
Yes, I think so. I think we'll see some developments
with it. Definitely. And probably some of the other platforms
that are around as well.
S1 (04:16):
Yeah. Okay. Now it's been interesting that over the last
12 months or so, amongst particularly the blindness community and
Braille users, there's been a bit of an uptake in
the interest of Linux. And that's because people have equipped
themselves with a BT speak, which is the device from
Blazie Technologies, which has the Braille keyboard input and speech output,
(04:40):
works on the Linux platform. And we've been talking about
it over the last year or so. You've found an
interesting resource.
S2 (04:49):
Yes, I have. And you and I have both sort
of been tinkering a little bit with Linux over the
last little while for me, not just the BT speak,
but I've also got some other Raspberry Pi type devices,
which is the sort of the underlying hardware that the
BT speak runs on. But I also have half a
dozen of them on the desk here running various other, uh,
ham radio applications and things. And it's one of those
(05:11):
things that with Linux, it's always been a sort of
associated with geekery, if you like. And it always felt
like you had to have a, you know, a pilot
pilot's license and a degree in microelectronics to use it.
Whereas I think it's moved from sort of being a
command line based thing to having a graphical interface as well. Now,
(05:33):
so similar to what you would have on windows or
the Mac. We've got things like the orca screen reader
to make that accessible. But the problem is, because it's
open source, there's a lot of different things out there
and a lot of lot of different websites, and it's
sort of where do you go to get your information?
So there's a gentleman by the name of Chris Egeland,
who has been a Linux user on and off since
(05:54):
about 2002, I believe. And he has put together a
website called Blind Linux. It's just blind Linux linux.com. And
he's sort of trying to pull together a bunch of
resources to allow someone who is blind or has low
vision to kind of get up and running with Linux.
(06:14):
So there's for example, instructions on how to make a
bootable USB drive so that you don't necessarily have to
dedicate your computer to it or, you know, even a
part of your hard disk. You can set your computer
up and just boot up Linux from a USB stick
and run it that way. Or if you've got a,
you know, an older computer, perhaps you can use that.
(06:36):
Or there's even things that you can do now with
virtual machines using something like VMware player, which is an
app that almost allows you to run an operating system
within an operating system. So you could have your computer
running Windows or Mac OS, and you could run another
operating system like Linux or an earlier version of windows
or something like that. Inside that environment. That sort of
(07:00):
method is quite useful for testing and those sorts of things. Or,
you know, you might have an old program that only
ran on windows XP. You could have a virtual windows
XP machine that you could you could have running on
your Windows 11 PC or your Mac or whatever you've got.
So there's a number of different ways of doing it,
and there's some quite good resources there. And I believe
(07:21):
he's sort of trying to build it and increase the
available resources over time and sort of welcomes, you know,
contributions from people. He's trying to make it a friendly
place to get started with Linux. If people want to
have a bit of a tinker with Linux and maybe
experiment with it, um, it sounds to me like it
would be a good place to start. I suppose. I
(07:43):
am a bit of a geek at heart, and I've
enjoyed messing about with it over the last little while
and figuring out what it can do.
S1 (07:49):
It's an interesting concept that one of the virtual machine,
which has been around since the 60s and 70s, actually.
S2 (07:56):
Yeah. And it's actually quite interesting because a lot of
large data centers, that's how they work now. They don't
have a sort of a one box, one operating system arrangement.
They'll have one physical piece of hardware that might host
20 or 30 different servers, you know, for 20 or
30 different companies, you know, with websites on or the
mail servers or whatever they might happen to be. So
(08:18):
it's a fairly prevalent sort of technology in the, in
the corporate world in terms of data centers and things
as well now. Mhm.
S1 (08:26):
Damo, we're going to lose your company for a week
or two as you go across the Pacific to California.
S2 (08:33):
Don't cheer too loudly. We'll be back. But yes, I
am off to see son. Uh, which is the, uh,
California State University's, uh, Assistive Technology Conference. It's one of
the premier assistive technology events on the calendar each year. And, uh, so, yes,
I'm headed there, uh, to meet with some suppliers and
(08:55):
check out some products. It's my first time, uh, attending
that particular conference, so I'm quite excited about it.
S1 (09:00):
Anything special that you're looking at?
S2 (09:05):
I am looking forward to meeting with some of the
suppliers that we already work with, people that I've corresponded
with on email for years. I'm interested in whether there'll
be some new products that I haven't seen. You know,
I'm thinking perhaps the BT Braille might be there and
they might have a prototype that we can look at or.
(09:26):
But research often have devices to show, you know, they
were there was a lot of excitement a couple of
years ago about their Braille laptop, the Optima, which hasn't
sort of made it to market yet, but keen to
have a look at what they have. And there's lots
of other bits and pieces. I've got quite a list
from colleagues around the organisation saying while you're there, have
(09:46):
a look and see if these people are here and
check them out and let us know what you think.
So there's, um, you know, some other electronic travel aids.
There's all sorts of things. I'm told it can take
more than a day just to get through the exhibit hall,
and that's without attending any of the actual conference presentations,
which I'm looking forward to as well.
S1 (10:02):
We're going to have a lot to ask you about
when you get back. Now, one of the things that
occurs to me is that being a very organised person,
and you use a lot of tech in your daily
life at home, you won't want to set all that
aside for the time that you're away. How do you
prepare yourself with your personal technology for an adventure like this?
S2 (10:26):
Sometimes it's actually a bit of a challenge because you
don't want to end up like the travelling road show.
But we do as you say. We do use technology
so much in our daily lives that it will be
a question of what do I take and what can
I do without for a week or so? Obviously, a
couple of things that are given are my my iPhone,
(10:46):
some good noise cancelling headphones for the plane flight. I've
got a set of Apple AirPods Pro, which I'll be
using probably the meta glasses because I may need to
find out about my my surroundings. I may or may
not take a stellar trek with me. If it arrives
in time, I will take a wee walk because I
(11:09):
won't have my seeing eye dog Jenner with me. Um,
so it'll be a good opportunity to sort of put
that through its paces. And so I may use that
and its navigation capability rather than the stellar I don't know.
I also like to take a Braille device of some
sort so that I can note take, and so that
I've got access to my email on the go. So
(11:29):
I do use a Braillesense six mini, so I'll be
using that probably as my note taking device, because I
can turn the speech off and, you know, still have
Braille access and that kind of thing. And I can
respond to work emails, you know, ten meetings remotely if
I have to while I'm on the go, that kind
of thing. So that's still quite a list. The other
(11:49):
thing that I do like to take when I travel
is a couple of those USB type power banks at
guys in the US actually sell one that's, um, accessible
in that it has haptic feedback to tell you how
charged the battery is and whether it's on or off,
that kind of thing. So they're quite good because it
means you can charge your phone a number of times
(12:11):
without having to mess about with power converters and those
kinds of things. So I'll probably take 1 or 2
of those little power banks. They're just a sort of
a rectangular block, if you like, with, um, uh, a
USB-A and USB-C connector on them.
S1 (12:26):
What's your go to recording device these days?
S2 (12:29):
Oh, yes. I'll definitely be taking that. Good. Good point.
These days I'm using a zoom H1 essentials because of
the fact that it has a bunch of accessible menus.
All of the features and functions talk. It's very small
and very light. The only thing it's a little bit
limited in that you can't plug external microphones into it.
(12:50):
And I have been considering getting an H4 just because
it's a slightly higher quality recorder, but because of everything
else I take, I'm trying to travel light, so it'll
either be the zoom H1 essentials or the H4 essentials,
which will give me a nice, accessible recording solution. And
because both of those use 32 bit float as their
recording format, you don't have to mess around setting levels.
(13:13):
It won't clip. Um, so that's always nice. It saves
you having to come back and mess around with things
because it's either distorted or way too quiet.
S1 (13:21):
Very nice. Well, we look forward to hearing what you
might pick up over there on your recording device, and
certainly to chatting with you about what you've discovered as
you go to see sun. And we'll talk about that
in a couple of weeks time here on Talking Tech. Now,
before we go, a reminder to everyone that you can
(13:41):
always catch up with the details of this and previous
editions of the program by going to VA radio.org/talking tech,
VA radio, dot org slash talking tech and to write
to the program.
S2 (13:55):
Damo Damo dot McMorrow mkmo r o w at Vision Australia.
S1 (14:03):
Org Damo dot McMorrow at Vision australia.org. This has been
talking tech with me has been Vision Australia's national access
technology manager Damo McMorrow I'm Stephen Jolly. Take care. We'll
talk more tech next week. See you.
Hello everyone. Welcome to Talking Tech. This edition available from
March the 4th, 2025. I'm Stephen Jolly. Great to have
you with us listening maybe through Vision Australia Radio, associated
stations of the Radio Reading Network or the Community Radio Network.
There is also the podcast. To catch that, all you
need to do is search for the two words talking
(00:28):
tech and Dan. It can all come usually on a
Tuesday afternoon just after it's been produced. Another option is
to ask your Siri device or smart speaker to play.
Vision Australia radio talking tech podcast. Vision Australia radio talking
tech podcast with me. Vision Australia's national access technology manager.
Damo McMorrow. Hey, Damo.
S2 (00:49):
G'day, Stephen.
S1 (00:50):
Alexa, it's been around for a while. It's going to
have a bit of a facelift soon.
S2 (00:54):
That's right. Amazon have announced Alexa Plus. This is sort
of the AI powered version of the Alexa virtual assistant.
They're saying that it will be rolled out sort of
to in terms of early access this month, but that
it will be rolled out progressively over the coming months
(01:18):
to varying devices, they'll say. They're saying that it's more conversational.
It will, for example, remember the context. So it'll remember
the last few things you asked it, that kind of thing,
and be able to sort of link those together to
to sort of have a more conversational interaction. Um, and
obviously all of the other benefits that we've, we're already
(01:40):
seeing with things like, uh, ChatGPT and, you know, other
other AI platforms like it.
S1 (01:47):
It's interesting. I'm one of those users who uses Alexa
on my standalone device, Alexa devices, but I've also got
it with my Sonos system, and it'll be interesting to
see how it integrates with that. I guess it won't
be the first application of it, though.
S2 (02:03):
No, at this point, they're saying that it'll work on
the Echo show eight. Echo show ten. And I think
the Echo Show 15. At this stage, it won't be
available on your sort of echo Dot Echo Pop type speakers,
but it will be later on, I believe. Um, one
thing to note is that there is a cost associated
(02:25):
with it, unless you're an Amazon Prime member. So if
you're an Amazon Prime member, you'll get it for free.
If you're not an Amazon Prime member, um, it'll cost
you $20 a month. So Amazon Prime is a much
cheaper way to get it, because then you get all
of the other benefits of like, you know, next day
delivery and all of those things. So, um, if you're
not an Amazon Prime member now and you're likely to
(02:47):
want it, it might be a cheaper way to get
it than just paying for the Alexa Plus as a standalone.
S1 (02:52):
And we apologize to all those people whose devices have
come on and off in the last two minutes or
so when we've been talking about it.
S2 (03:00):
Yes. Including mine incidentally.
S1 (03:03):
So yes, a lady plus a facelift coming there, and
it'll hit your device before you realize.
S2 (03:10):
Probably, probably. Um, it's an interesting thing, though, isn't it,
when you think I'm sort of wondering whether they've missed
the boat or whether a little bit too late to
the party, because we've already got things like conversational mode
with ChatGPT, we've got things like our meta glasses that
do that, and I'm not particularly interested in having a
conversation with the device as, as such. But, you know,
(03:33):
the fact that it does remember what you've already asked,
it is quite useful. But I do sort of think,
given that, you know, these things a couple of years
ago were really leading the way in sort of voice interaction.
It seems to me that it's perhaps a little bit, um,
a little bit later than I would have liked. You know,
I would have expected them to jump on the bandwagon
(03:53):
a little earlier. So I guess we'll see when it
comes out how good it is and whether it's something
that people decide to adopt.
S1 (04:01):
And we'll see more with Siri, the Apple Intelligence feature,
as the year goes on, too.
S2 (04:08):
Yes, I think so. I think we'll see some developments
with it. Definitely. And probably some of the other platforms
that are around as well.
S1 (04:16):
Yeah. Okay. Now it's been interesting that over the last
12 months or so, amongst particularly the blindness community and
Braille users, there's been a bit of an uptake in
the interest of Linux. And that's because people have equipped
themselves with a BT speak, which is the device from
Blazie Technologies, which has the Braille keyboard input and speech output,
(04:40):
works on the Linux platform. And we've been talking about
it over the last year or so. You've found an
interesting resource.
S2 (04:49):
Yes, I have. And you and I have both sort
of been tinkering a little bit with Linux over the
last little while for me, not just the BT speak,
but I've also got some other Raspberry Pi type devices,
which is the sort of the underlying hardware that the
BT speak runs on. But I also have half a
dozen of them on the desk here running various other, uh,
ham radio applications and things. And it's one of those
(05:11):
things that with Linux, it's always been a sort of
associated with geekery, if you like. And it always felt
like you had to have a, you know, a pilot
pilot's license and a degree in microelectronics to use it.
Whereas I think it's moved from sort of being a
command line based thing to having a graphical interface as well. Now,
(05:33):
so similar to what you would have on windows or
the Mac. We've got things like the orca screen reader
to make that accessible. But the problem is, because it's
open source, there's a lot of different things out there
and a lot of lot of different websites, and it's
sort of where do you go to get your information?
So there's a gentleman by the name of Chris Egeland,
who has been a Linux user on and off since
(05:54):
about 2002, I believe. And he has put together a
website called Blind Linux. It's just blind Linux linux.com. And
he's sort of trying to pull together a bunch of
resources to allow someone who is blind or has low
vision to kind of get up and running with Linux.
(06:14):
So there's for example, instructions on how to make a
bootable USB drive so that you don't necessarily have to
dedicate your computer to it or, you know, even a
part of your hard disk. You can set your computer
up and just boot up Linux from a USB stick
and run it that way. Or if you've got a,
you know, an older computer, perhaps you can use that.
(06:36):
Or there's even things that you can do now with
virtual machines using something like VMware player, which is an
app that almost allows you to run an operating system
within an operating system. So you could have your computer
running Windows or Mac OS, and you could run another
operating system like Linux or an earlier version of windows
or something like that. Inside that environment. That sort of
(07:00):
method is quite useful for testing and those sorts of things. Or,
you know, you might have an old program that only
ran on windows XP. You could have a virtual windows
XP machine that you could you could have running on
your Windows 11 PC or your Mac or whatever you've got.
So there's a number of different ways of doing it,
and there's some quite good resources there. And I believe
(07:21):
he's sort of trying to build it and increase the
available resources over time and sort of welcomes, you know,
contributions from people. He's trying to make it a friendly
place to get started with Linux. If people want to
have a bit of a tinker with Linux and maybe
experiment with it, um, it sounds to me like it
would be a good place to start. I suppose. I
(07:43):
am a bit of a geek at heart, and I've
enjoyed messing about with it over the last little while
and figuring out what it can do.
S1 (07:49):
It's an interesting concept that one of the virtual machine,
which has been around since the 60s and 70s, actually.
S2 (07:56):
Yeah. And it's actually quite interesting because a lot of
large data centers, that's how they work now. They don't
have a sort of a one box, one operating system arrangement.
They'll have one physical piece of hardware that might host
20 or 30 different servers, you know, for 20 or
30 different companies, you know, with websites on or the
mail servers or whatever they might happen to be. So
(08:18):
it's a fairly prevalent sort of technology in the, in
the corporate world in terms of data centers and things
as well now. Mhm.
S1 (08:26):
Damo, we're going to lose your company for a week
or two as you go across the Pacific to California.
S2 (08:33):
Don't cheer too loudly. We'll be back. But yes, I
am off to see son. Uh, which is the, uh,
California State University's, uh, Assistive Technology Conference. It's one of
the premier assistive technology events on the calendar each year. And, uh, so, yes,
I'm headed there, uh, to meet with some suppliers and
(08:55):
check out some products. It's my first time, uh, attending
that particular conference, so I'm quite excited about it.
S1 (09:00):
Anything special that you're looking at?
S2 (09:05):
I am looking forward to meeting with some of the
suppliers that we already work with, people that I've corresponded
with on email for years. I'm interested in whether there'll
be some new products that I haven't seen. You know,
I'm thinking perhaps the BT Braille might be there and
they might have a prototype that we can look at or.
(09:26):
But research often have devices to show, you know, they
were there was a lot of excitement a couple of
years ago about their Braille laptop, the Optima, which hasn't
sort of made it to market yet, but keen to
have a look at what they have. And there's lots
of other bits and pieces. I've got quite a list
from colleagues around the organisation saying while you're there, have
(09:46):
a look and see if these people are here and
check them out and let us know what you think.
So there's, um, you know, some other electronic travel aids.
There's all sorts of things. I'm told it can take
more than a day just to get through the exhibit hall,
and that's without attending any of the actual conference presentations,
which I'm looking forward to as well.
S1 (10:02):
We're going to have a lot to ask you about
when you get back. Now, one of the things that
occurs to me is that being a very organised person,
and you use a lot of tech in your daily
life at home, you won't want to set all that
aside for the time that you're away. How do you
prepare yourself with your personal technology for an adventure like this?
S2 (10:26):
Sometimes it's actually a bit of a challenge because you
don't want to end up like the travelling road show.
But we do as you say. We do use technology
so much in our daily lives that it will be
a question of what do I take and what can
I do without for a week or so? Obviously, a
couple of things that are given are my my iPhone,
(10:46):
some good noise cancelling headphones for the plane flight. I've
got a set of Apple AirPods Pro, which I'll be
using probably the meta glasses because I may need to
find out about my my surroundings. I may or may
not take a stellar trek with me. If it arrives
in time, I will take a wee walk because I
(11:09):
won't have my seeing eye dog Jenner with me. Um,
so it'll be a good opportunity to sort of put
that through its paces. And so I may use that
and its navigation capability rather than the stellar I don't know.
I also like to take a Braille device of some
sort so that I can note take, and so that
I've got access to my email on the go. So
(11:29):
I do use a Braillesense six mini, so I'll be
using that probably as my note taking device, because I
can turn the speech off and, you know, still have
Braille access and that kind of thing. And I can
respond to work emails, you know, ten meetings remotely if
I have to while I'm on the go, that kind
of thing. So that's still quite a list. The other
(11:49):
thing that I do like to take when I travel
is a couple of those USB type power banks at
guys in the US actually sell one that's, um, accessible
in that it has haptic feedback to tell you how
charged the battery is and whether it's on or off,
that kind of thing. So they're quite good because it
means you can charge your phone a number of times
(12:11):
without having to mess about with power converters and those
kinds of things. So I'll probably take 1 or 2
of those little power banks. They're just a sort of
a rectangular block, if you like, with, um, uh, a
USB-A and USB-C connector on them.
S1 (12:26):
What's your go to recording device these days?
S2 (12:29):
Oh, yes. I'll definitely be taking that. Good. Good point.
These days I'm using a zoom H1 essentials because of
the fact that it has a bunch of accessible menus.
All of the features and functions talk. It's very small
and very light. The only thing it's a little bit
limited in that you can't plug external microphones into it.
(12:50):
And I have been considering getting an H4 just because
it's a slightly higher quality recorder, but because of everything
else I take, I'm trying to travel light, so it'll
either be the zoom H1 essentials or the H4 essentials,
which will give me a nice, accessible recording solution. And
because both of those use 32 bit float as their
recording format, you don't have to mess around setting levels.
(13:13):
It won't clip. Um, so that's always nice. It saves
you having to come back and mess around with things
because it's either distorted or way too quiet.
S1 (13:21):
Very nice. Well, we look forward to hearing what you
might pick up over there on your recording device, and
certainly to chatting with you about what you've discovered as
you go to see sun. And we'll talk about that
in a couple of weeks time here on Talking Tech. Now,
before we go, a reminder to everyone that you can
(13:41):
always catch up with the details of this and previous
editions of the program by going to VA radio.org/talking tech,
VA radio, dot org slash talking tech and to write
to the program.
S2 (13:55):
Damo Damo dot McMorrow mkmo r o w at Vision Australia.
S1 (14:03):
Org Damo dot McMorrow at Vision australia.org. This has been
talking tech with me has been Vision Australia's national access
technology manager Damo McMorrow I'm Stephen Jolly. Take care. We'll
talk more tech next week. See you.
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