September 3, 2025 • 28 mins
Comedian with low vision Jeremy Moses is back on the show this week to share the latest news about his new show, Hard to Work With.
You'll also hear from another Talking Vision favourite as Kelly Schulz from Knowable Me chats with Sam about some research they're conducting about accessibility in the job seeking process, and Frances joins us with a Father's Day-themed Reader Recommended.
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S1 (00:21):
From Vision Australia. This is talking vision. And now here's
your host, Sam Colley.
S2 (00:31):
Hello, everyone. It's great to be here with you. And
for the next half hour, we talk matters of blindness
and low vision.
S3 (00:39):
I sort of conceived it as like, what would I
want out of a show? The things that I miss
when I go to shows. I feel like incorporating those
into my show with my lived experience will hopefully come
across helpful.
S2 (00:52):
Welcome to the show! This week we've got a jam
packed episode for you featuring several talking vision favorites starting
off with Jeremy Moses, low vision comedian featuring at the
Melbourne Fringe in October with a new show. And then
after that we hear from Kelly Schultz from noble Me,
(01:16):
who's looking to get some feedback from the public into
some research they're currently undertaking regarding the ways in which
job seeking can be made more accessible for people with disabilities.
And then to wrap up, Liz Dalakouras is back with
the latest issue of for your information. And we finish
(01:40):
up with a reader recommended from Francis Calland. I hope
you enjoy this week's episode of Talking Vision. Remember Jeremy Moses?
You may have seen him at various shows around the
country speaking about his lived experience with low vision. Or
(02:01):
you might have just heard him chatting about his various
experiences on Talking Vision, as well as other programs on
Vision Australia Radio. Well, he's back with me today to
chat about a new show he's got coming up at
the Melbourne Fringe in October. Hard to work with Jeremy,
welcome back to Talking Vision. Great to have you back.
S3 (02:24):
Thank you so much for having me, Sam. I feel
like a friend of the show.
S2 (02:27):
And it's great to have you. And I feel the
same way now. Um, Jeremy, what's been going on in
your world since the last time we spoke? You're at
the fringe earlier on this year, but I understand you've
got a new show coming up, but what's been going
on in Jeremy Land for the past few months?
S3 (02:47):
Yeah, like, a lot of changes in my life. And
I've been writing a new show and sort of raking
over the coals of my past fringe, uh, experience. Yeah.
Last year I did the show, um, like a double
act show, your listeners might remember. And, um, it was
it went well, like, I'm really proud of the show, but, uh,
(03:09):
the co-star stopped talking to me, like, after the last show. She, like,
cut me off. So it's been a lot of, like,
soul searching, of wondering what happened. And, uh, I've got
a new show where I try and understand what really happened.
It's called Jeremy Moses is hard to work with. And
it's a one man show. And, yeah, I'm really excited
(03:30):
to do a new show. Yeah.
S2 (03:33):
Oh, fantastic. Okay. Well, tell us a bit about hard
to work with. What sort of things can people expect?
You've gone into it a little bit, but let's get
into the gritty details of hard to work with.
S3 (03:45):
Haha. Well, legally, I'm not allowed to say much.
S2 (03:48):
That's okay. Well, whatever you're legally allowed to say.
S3 (03:52):
I'm. I'm also legally blind, and that's never stopped me. No,
I definitely will. Uh, spill the tea for you. Um, yeah. So, uh,
it's it's a bit of a self reflection, some much
needed self-reflection. Some would say, um, it's, uh, it's me
sort of understanding what happened last year and sort of
(04:12):
piecing it all together. And hopefully the audience will be
along for the ride with me. And it'll be a
series of sketches. And I'm hoping to open it up
to the audience and let them tell me whether indeed
I am hard to work with because I think I'm lovely.
S2 (04:29):
But I can't imagine any of this. Like when I
heard about this, I was like, that does not sound
like Jeremy one bit. What? What the hell's going on?
S3 (04:38):
I'm usually regarded as a sweetheart. Like, not many people
disagree with me, but apparently some people did. I'm a
bit notorious. Yeah.
S2 (04:47):
A bit of a diva.
S3 (04:48):
Yeah. Seemingly with. With creative pursuits. Anyway, it's it's something
that's happened throughout my life. Like, I've tried to get
projects off the ground and with a team, and I
don't know if I'm too much of a perfectionist or
if I'm not good at interpersonal skills. I'm not sure,
but I think it like leads to better material.
S2 (05:11):
Like, yeah, for sure.
S3 (05:12):
At least I'm mining it for material and I'm having
a lot of fun doing it.
S2 (05:17):
So there's that interactive element, um, for people out there.
Have you had much of an interactive component to the
shows in the same ways in your previous things, or
is this going to be a bit of a new
experience for you?
S3 (05:31):
Um, this this one I've labelled as a sketch show.
Last year's show was a bit more variety because it
was me and another comedian, and, um, we sort of
interacted and I wrote most of it, but it was
kind of a variety show. And this year it's sort
of more of a sketch show where I do sketches
and try and figure out what happened on stage in
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real time. I don't interact with the audience in the
way that I ask them questions directly, but there is
a point where I like, go like, am I hard
to work with and a show of hands, and then
quickly tell them that I can't see their show of hands. So.
So I'm not really sure, uh, what that gives me, but.
S2 (06:10):
No, for sure.
S3 (06:11):
Uh, yeah. Uh, okay. It I think it'll it'll be
really fun.
S2 (06:15):
Mhm. That sounds really fun. And, um, how long will that, um,
show be running for in terms of what people can
expect there? Is it going to be, uh, quickfire, snappy,
30 minute kind of situation or. We get, um, deep
dive into, you know, the very bare soul of Jeremy
Moses for two hours and, you know, that kind of thing.
S3 (06:38):
I would love the audience to sit there for two
hours and listen to me complain about my creative pursuits. No,
it only goes for 55 minutes. There you go. So
it won't be that exhausting for the audience. But we're
doing six shows and we're doing a Saturday matinee, and
the matinee is going to be relaxed and sensory friendly,
which is really good. And, uh, all the shows are
(06:59):
audio described and, uh, they're tactile tours before every show
on request. So we're doing six shows in total. It's
a fun run. October 8th through 12. It's going to
be great.
S2 (07:13):
Okay, well, let's get the details for people out there
in terms of how they can register and grab some
tickets to the shows and find out more about when
and where each of those shows are taking place. Where's
the best place for them to go?
S3 (07:30):
Yeah, so the website is Melbourne Fringe. Com.au. And uh,
if uh, if you'd prefer to book on the phone,
it's 03966096 and just say you want tickets to Jeremy Moses's, uh,
one man show, and, uh, you'll get it there. And also, uh,
my website, uh, Jeremy Moses COVID-19 has all the accessibility information,
(07:57):
and it has the access pack, PDF, uh, relaxed guide
and access pack. And that sort of tells the audience
what's involved in the show and gives more access details.
S2 (08:07):
Okay.
S3 (08:08):
Could I ask you a question?
S2 (08:09):
Yeah.
S3 (08:10):
So, Sam, have you had any experience with tactile tours or,
you know, shows that have audio descriptions?
S2 (08:17):
I have done some sort of audio descriptions, not so
much tactile tours because I've got low vision. I don't
know if I would get the full experience from so
much a tactile tour, but when I've had audio guides
to various things, those have been extremely useful, like when
I've gone through art exhibits. Even though I can see
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some of the work, there's some aspects that I can
only really get through having them explained to me through audio,
and that's been a huge benefit to having those through
galleries and stuff. But no, not not so much theatre
and stuff like that.
S3 (08:58):
Yeah, it's a new it's a new experience for me
as well. I the last couple of shows that I did,
I've had audio descriptions sort of as a punchline, like
the audio descriptions, like she makes fun of me. She
like calls me out on what I'm wearing, and it's
sort of like a fun way to incorporate it. But
this year I'm actually labeling every show as a as
(09:19):
a audio described show. So, uh, I have to legitimately
put across what the visuals are. And the show is
very visual this year. So having audio descriptions I think
will help convey what's happening on stage. And also we'll
have fun with it and we'll be a bit silly
with it.
S2 (09:36):
Yeah, that's a lot of fun. Yeah, and that sounds great.
S3 (09:39):
And the tactile tours will be for people to touch
the costumes and kind of get a sense of of
what's happening on stage. I sort of conceived it as like,
what would I want out of a show? The things
that I miss when I go to shows. Um, I
feel like incorporating those into my show with my lived
experience will hopefully come across, um, helpful.
S2 (10:01):
Yeah, yeah. For sure. Now, Jeremy, let's recap all those
six locations and times for people out there, including which
ones do have those tactile tours.
S3 (10:15):
Yeah. So I'm on October 8th to October 12th. The
Wednesday to Saturday is on at 6 p.m., and on
the Saturday we also have a low sensory and relaxed matinee.
And that's at 3:45 p.m.. And on the Sunday I'm
on at 5 p.m. and it's at the Trades Hall
Festival Hub, Trades Hall in Carlton. It's a great venue
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and I'm really excited to be there. And it's all accessible,
wheelchair accessible, and it's a lot of the festival is
taking place in Trades Hall and I'm really excited to
be part of it.
S2 (10:50):
Okay, and how many gigs have you done at Trades
Hall so far, Jeremy, and how have you found the experience?
S3 (10:58):
Just last year and this year I pitched this year's
show as a joke. I didn't I didn't think they'd
give it to me because it's very self-referential. But, um,
last year I was in the Trades hall, um, with
the double act. And so this year feels like a
do over. Like I'm back there. I'm back in the
same building, uh, reliving the same traumas and.
S2 (11:18):
Hopefully.
S3 (11:19):
Hopefully getting over it.
S2 (11:20):
Yeah. Well, hopefully. Fingers crossed.
S3 (11:22):
Yeah. And it's it's a great building and all the
festival takes place out of there. And there are a
lot of interesting and diverse acts performing there. After my show,
I'm going to go watch a bunch of shows. It's
a lovely place to perform and they're lovely people. The
fringe are really nice people, and they they look after me.
S2 (11:41):
Well, that's very important. I'm really pleased to hear that
you're getting that support, and you've got that opportunity to
kind of do, I guess, on stage therapy. In some ways,
I guess you could work through it. Yeah, no. For sure. Okay. Well, that's, um,
that's going to be very interesting. Um, and, you know,
bearing your soul on, um, on the public stage and that's, um. Yeah.
(12:04):
So very excited to hear how that all goes. And
hopefully you can get some answers and a bit of
closure and, you know, all that sort of thing. And
it does sort of help to talk it out. And
that's for everyone out there. If you, you know, if
you have a problem, you just talk it out. Don't
keep it in. And you know, there's always somebody to
talk to. And I.
S3 (12:24):
Think it's better.
S2 (12:25):
To talk. Yeah it is.
S3 (12:26):
Certainly I as as someone who just got ghosted, uh,
for my show last year, I haven't heard from her, like,
all year. Um, and I, you know, I texted her
and said, great show. Like, I'm happy to do more
of them. Nothing. And so, yeah, I don't agree with ghosting.
I think it's better to talk things out. And, uh,
I'm glad that I'm able to at least, uh, to
(12:49):
the void. And hopefully people will be there to listen.
S2 (12:53):
Yeah. For sure. Okay. Well, to grab a ticket to
Jeremy's show, simply head to Melbourne fringe.com. That's Melbourne fringe.
To grab a ticket. Jeremy, thank you so much for
being back on the show. It's always great to catch
up with you and hear what you're up to, and
(13:15):
all the best with the new show.
S3 (13:16):
Thank you so much, Sam. Lovely to be here.
S2 (13:24):
I'm Sam Corley and you're listening to Talking Vision on
Vision Australia Radio, Associated Stations of Disability Media Australia and
the Community Radio Network. I hope you enjoyed that conversation
with Jeremy Moses there. If you missed any part of
that chat with Jeremy or you'd love to hear it again.
(13:46):
Talking vision is available on the podcast platform of your
choice or through the Vision Australia library. You can also
find various episodes of Talking Vision through the Vision Australia
Radio website at VA radio. That's VA radio Dot. Have
you or someone you know struggled with accessibility in the
(14:10):
job seeking process, or wondered how to disclose your disability
when going through applying for a job. Well, knowable me
is looking to hear from you. They're looking into some
research around these issues and a lot more. And to
have a chat with me all about this. It's my
(14:32):
great pleasure to welcome back to Talking Vision, managing director
of knowable. Me, Kelly Schultz. Kelly, welcome back to Talking Vision.
Thank you very much for your time.
S4 (14:43):
Thank you very much for having me.
S2 (14:45):
No worries at all. Now, Kelly, as always knowable me
has gotten up to quite a lot lately, in particular
looking to research some things around jobseekers and getting into
the workforce for people with disabilities. So tell us a
bit about what knowable me's up to there.
S4 (15:06):
Well, we've got a big national piece of research going
on where we're looking at the barriers people with disability
face applying for jobs. And I think a lot of
those barriers aren't obvious. They're hidden in online application systems
and automated screening, or even the language used in job ads.
So the idea for us is to map out where
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people are being excluded, and in particular before their CVS
might even be read. So it's like getting even, just
getting through that little first step. And we're hoping to
shine a light on what needs to be changed.
S2 (15:41):
Yeah. Because, um, quite a few job ads out there,
they're automated, as you said. They're a lot of it,
especially these days with AI. Um, that's sort of creeping
in and, you know, that sort of thing. But you
get stuff like must have driver's license and then you
get in touch with them and they say, well, no,
why was that there? I you know, that's not a
requirement at all. But people see that and they might
(16:03):
not be able to drive and that sort of discourages them.
And yeah, so that certainly needs to change now. What
sort of things have you found out so far that
have been quite illuminating, or it's still in the early stages?
S4 (16:18):
We've done a bit of discovery research, and it's interesting
that a lot of both job seekers and the people
who were doing the hiring, so the hiring managers don't
actually know what AI is doing in job applications. So
they don't even know that some of these systems might
be filtering people out on things that are kind of
hidden in a black box. There's not a lot of
(16:40):
transparency about what's happening in there and who's got choice
and control over that. We love choice and control, don't we?
S2 (16:47):
We certainly do.
S4 (16:47):
Yeah. Um, we don't really know what's happening in there,
and it doesn't feel like hiring managers are in control,
and people who are submitting applications are trying to almost
game a system, not knowing what that system is. So
that's the first thing. Yes. And there's also these job
ad issues like you've mentioned. There's always the standard accessibility issues.
(17:08):
It's almost like we're looking deeper than that this time.
Of course, they've got to fix the accessibility of these
platforms and systems. I don't know if you've ever heard,
but there are some now where they want you to
record a video.
S2 (17:19):
Oh yeah, I've heard about those. And that's just nightmare.
Oh my God.
S4 (17:23):
And it sort of gives you this countdown on screen.
None of them that I've heard a screen reader accessible. No,
but yeah, it gives you questions on the screen that
you're supposed to answer in video, like, and this is
the only choice that's being provided. But I think the
other thing that we're doing is we also want to
have a bit of a chat to people about disclosing disability,
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because you'll find that there are lots of job applications
now where they say, do you need any modifications to
the process to help you? Accessibility modifications or anything like that.
And inherent in asking for any accessibility is disclosing that
you've got a disability and there's this constant battle and
there's so many different opinions about what's right and what
(18:04):
you should do. And yeah, it's it's a really, really
interesting piece of research.
S2 (18:09):
Mhm. Yeah. I did want to talk about that disclosure
element Kelly because that's super daunting for a lot of people.
And as you've said there's no one right answer. Everybody's
got their own personal way that works for them and
what feels comfortable for them. But you know there's a
lot of trepidation obviously about you mention that you have
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a disability and you're thinking in the back of your mind,
you know, what are they going to think about that?
Are they just going to put me in the too
hard basket and not, you know, read my CV at all?
And that's like such a terrible feeling to, you know, um,
be going through all these jobs, you know, you're looking
for work and facing enough challenges as is, and then
(18:52):
you have that on top. So, um, that's certainly something
that definitely needs to be tackled now. What's the best
way for people to get in touch with knowable? Me
if they would like to have their say and contribute
to the research in their own way. What's the process
there and how can people get involved?
S4 (19:13):
So we're running a few different stages for this. It's
probably going to go all the way through September at
the moment. So a few stages. The first thing is
if people are online and want to jump onto the
noble website and sign up or log in to their account,
they'll find the eligibility survey, which is just a few
questions that help us make sure we're getting the right
people in to do the paid survey. And so that's noble.
(19:36):
So k n o w a b l e m.
So that's the website. And then you can also contact us.
So research at noble is the email address or the
phone number 04351857. And so there are a few parts
to this research. As I said there's a survey. So
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there's an online survey that's paying $10 for people who
are eligible and go through and fill out the survey
and give us their insights and experiences. We're also doing
some paid interviews later in September that will be paying
$40 for half an hour of people's times to talk
about their experiences. We'll be selecting people for interview from
the survey, so hopefully there are lots of people coming through.
S2 (20:21):
Perfect. Okay, well, I've been speaking today with Kelly Schultz,
managing director from knowable. Me looking to hear from members
of the disability community about various issues people face in
getting their foot in the door, in the workforce, and
how to make the process more accessible. Kelly, thank you
(20:45):
so much for your time today. It's great to catch
up with you as always and have a chat.
S4 (20:50):
Lovely to be with you. Thanks, Sam.
S2 (20:54):
Well, we're two thirds of the way through the year now,
but the news is not slowing down by any means whatsoever.
It's just ramping up. And to have a chat with
us all about the latest news from the blind and
low vision community. It's my pleasure, as always, to welcome
the editor of For your Information. Otherwise known as FYI,
(21:18):
Liz Dalakouras. Back to talking vision. Liz. Welcome back to
Talking Vision. Thank you very much for your time.
S5 (21:26):
Not a problem. You know, I love coming on, Sam.
S2 (21:28):
I love having you now, Liz. Of course we're here
to chat about some exciting news in FYI, coming up
for people out there starting off with some news around
an NDIS reform advisory committee.
S5 (21:44):
Yeah, absolutely. It's actually quite exciting. So the government has
decided to listen. And they're involving the disability community to
shape major reforms that are going on in the NDIS.
So we know there are lots of changes currently going on.
So having some lived experience on an advisory committee is
just a really, really great thing. So it will consist
of 11 members and those people will be integral in
(22:08):
giving advice on implementing the new reforms and just encouraging
people with disability throughout the entire process. So it's really exciting,
super exciting.
S2 (22:18):
And something else that's quite exciting. I understand the Minister
for Aged Care was recently interviewed as well in some
related news.
S5 (22:28):
It was. Yeah. So on the ABC Sydney mornings, the
radio show, the Minister for Aged Care and Seniors, Sam Ray,
he was a guest. And the transcript for that interview
is now live. And it talks about updates on health policy,
community initiatives and just his practical insights to help support
the community. So it's just a really interesting interview to
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have a read of.
S2 (22:52):
Okay, definitely check that one out there for sure. And also, Liz,
just a reminder for people out there about a home
appliance survey that Vision Australia is currently holding. Tell us
a bit about that one.
S5 (23:08):
Yeah, it's actually a really, really cool survey because it's
getting there are home appliances within the house that are
quite frustrating to use because of their inaccessibility. So, you know,
we at Vision Australia and I know you've spoken about
this before, Sam, but just as a reminder for everybody,
we've created this survey to hear your thoughts and find
out how we can make home appliances more accessible for everybody.
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And also what you think is the gold standard for accessibility.
Maybe you even have a product that you already find
accessible and you want to tell everybody about it. So
if you haven't filled in the survey, we'd really love
to hear your thoughts about it for sure.
S2 (23:44):
And yes, as you've mentioned there, Liz, I did have
a chat with Bruce McGuire. There's quite a few interesting
elements in there. There's quite a few more touch screens.
Everything's a bit more visual these days with devices, and
that does create a fair few issues for members of
the blind and low vision community, myself included. So very
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interested to hear people's input. So check out this fortnight's
issue of FYI to grab all the links to that,
plus much more. And to find out a little bit
more about how you can sign up to for your
information to receive the fortnightly FYI in your inbox, simply
(24:30):
head to Vision Australia dot Vision Australia's website. That's Vision
Australia all one word.org and search for FYI. Liz, thank
you very much for your time today. Great to catch
up with you again and have a chat about FYI.
S5 (24:48):
Not a problem. Thanks, Sam, I love coming on. It's
always a pleasure.
S2 (24:56):
And now here's Frances Kelland with a reader recommended.
S6 (25:00):
Thank you Sam. This week's reader recommended is Come on
Papa by Ryan Knighton. This book describes Knighton's voyage to
the first year of fatherhood, made more daunting by his blindness.
He wonders how he will get to know his pre-verbal
bundle of coos and burps when he can't see her
smile or look into her eyes. Tackling these hurdles with
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grace and humour, Ryan is determined to do his part
as a father despite the pitfalls. Let's hear a sample
of Come On Papa by Ryan Knighton. It's narrated by
Bruce Roney.
S7 (25:36):
Our first home was an eyesore. The kitchen alone was
a pastel pink, peach yellow and minty green sampler. The
day we took possession, my wife Tracy shaded her eyes
and started to paint. I didn't. As with so many situations,
I stood around and watched. Sort of. By that point
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in our lives, I'd been going blind for reasons unrelated
to our kitchen's color scheme. For more than a decade,
my condition is called retinitis pigmentosa. Poorly behaved genes programmed
my retinas to painlessly self-destruct. Very, very slowly. Seems like
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they just bored themselves to death. Sometimes my blindness feels
that way. Consider that Tracy had to describe hundreds of
paint chips to me before picking one. I loved her
for trying to include me and felt blinder for having listened.
S6 (26:41):
And that was Come On Papa by Ryan Knighton. Just
one of the many over 40,000 audiobooks that you can
borrow from the Vision Australia library. To call the library,
the number is 130654656. That's 1300 654 656 or email them at
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Library Vision Australia. That's. library at Vision Australia.
S2 (27:07):
And that's all the time we have for today. You've
been listening to Talking Vision. Talking vision is a Vision
Australia radio production. Thanks to all involved with putting the
show together every week. And remember, we love hearing from you.
So please get in touch anytime on our email at
Talking Australia. That's talking vision all. One word at Vision Australia.
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But until next week it's Sam Corley saying bye for now.
S1 (27:42):
You can contact Vision Australia by phoning us anytime during
business hours on one 384 746. That's one 384 74
six or by visiting Vision Australia that's Vision Australia.
From Vision Australia. This is talking vision. And now here's
your host, Sam Colley.
S2 (00:31):
Hello, everyone. It's great to be here with you. And
for the next half hour, we talk matters of blindness
and low vision.
S3 (00:39):
I sort of conceived it as like, what would I
want out of a show? The things that I miss
when I go to shows. I feel like incorporating those
into my show with my lived experience will hopefully come
across helpful.
S2 (00:52):
Welcome to the show! This week we've got a jam
packed episode for you featuring several talking vision favorites starting
off with Jeremy Moses, low vision comedian featuring at the
Melbourne Fringe in October with a new show. And then
after that we hear from Kelly Schultz from noble Me,
(01:16):
who's looking to get some feedback from the public into
some research they're currently undertaking regarding the ways in which
job seeking can be made more accessible for people with disabilities.
And then to wrap up, Liz Dalakouras is back with
the latest issue of for your information. And we finish
(01:40):
up with a reader recommended from Francis Calland. I hope
you enjoy this week's episode of Talking Vision. Remember Jeremy Moses?
You may have seen him at various shows around the
country speaking about his lived experience with low vision. Or
(02:01):
you might have just heard him chatting about his various
experiences on Talking Vision, as well as other programs on
Vision Australia Radio. Well, he's back with me today to
chat about a new show he's got coming up at
the Melbourne Fringe in October. Hard to work with Jeremy,
welcome back to Talking Vision. Great to have you back.
S3 (02:24):
Thank you so much for having me, Sam. I feel
like a friend of the show.
S2 (02:27):
And it's great to have you. And I feel the
same way now. Um, Jeremy, what's been going on in
your world since the last time we spoke? You're at
the fringe earlier on this year, but I understand you've
got a new show coming up, but what's been going
on in Jeremy Land for the past few months?
S3 (02:47):
Yeah, like, a lot of changes in my life. And
I've been writing a new show and sort of raking
over the coals of my past fringe, uh, experience. Yeah.
Last year I did the show, um, like a double
act show, your listeners might remember. And, um, it was
it went well, like, I'm really proud of the show, but, uh,
(03:09):
the co-star stopped talking to me, like, after the last show. She, like,
cut me off. So it's been a lot of, like,
soul searching, of wondering what happened. And, uh, I've got
a new show where I try and understand what really happened.
It's called Jeremy Moses is hard to work with. And
it's a one man show. And, yeah, I'm really excited
(03:30):
to do a new show. Yeah.
S2 (03:33):
Oh, fantastic. Okay. Well, tell us a bit about hard
to work with. What sort of things can people expect?
You've gone into it a little bit, but let's get
into the gritty details of hard to work with.
S3 (03:45):
Haha. Well, legally, I'm not allowed to say much.
S2 (03:48):
That's okay. Well, whatever you're legally allowed to say.
S3 (03:52):
I'm. I'm also legally blind, and that's never stopped me. No,
I definitely will. Uh, spill the tea for you. Um, yeah. So, uh,
it's it's a bit of a self reflection, some much
needed self-reflection. Some would say, um, it's, uh, it's me
sort of understanding what happened last year and sort of
(04:12):
piecing it all together. And hopefully the audience will be
along for the ride with me. And it'll be a
series of sketches. And I'm hoping to open it up
to the audience and let them tell me whether indeed
I am hard to work with because I think I'm lovely.
S2 (04:29):
But I can't imagine any of this. Like when I
heard about this, I was like, that does not sound
like Jeremy one bit. What? What the hell's going on?
S3 (04:38):
I'm usually regarded as a sweetheart. Like, not many people
disagree with me, but apparently some people did. I'm a
bit notorious. Yeah.
S2 (04:47):
A bit of a diva.
S3 (04:48):
Yeah. Seemingly with. With creative pursuits. Anyway, it's it's something
that's happened throughout my life. Like, I've tried to get
projects off the ground and with a team, and I
don't know if I'm too much of a perfectionist or
if I'm not good at interpersonal skills. I'm not sure,
but I think it like leads to better material.
S2 (05:11):
Like, yeah, for sure.
S3 (05:12):
At least I'm mining it for material and I'm having
a lot of fun doing it.
S2 (05:17):
So there's that interactive element, um, for people out there.
Have you had much of an interactive component to the
shows in the same ways in your previous things, or
is this going to be a bit of a new
experience for you?
S3 (05:31):
Um, this this one I've labelled as a sketch show.
Last year's show was a bit more variety because it
was me and another comedian, and, um, we sort of
interacted and I wrote most of it, but it was
kind of a variety show. And this year it's sort
of more of a sketch show where I do sketches
and try and figure out what happened on stage in
(05:52):
real time. I don't interact with the audience in the
way that I ask them questions directly, but there is
a point where I like, go like, am I hard
to work with and a show of hands, and then
quickly tell them that I can't see their show of hands. So.
So I'm not really sure, uh, what that gives me, but.
S2 (06:10):
No, for sure.
S3 (06:11):
Uh, yeah. Uh, okay. It I think it'll it'll be
really fun.
S2 (06:15):
Mhm. That sounds really fun. And, um, how long will that, um,
show be running for in terms of what people can
expect there? Is it going to be, uh, quickfire, snappy,
30 minute kind of situation or. We get, um, deep
dive into, you know, the very bare soul of Jeremy
Moses for two hours and, you know, that kind of thing.
S3 (06:38):
I would love the audience to sit there for two
hours and listen to me complain about my creative pursuits. No,
it only goes for 55 minutes. There you go. So
it won't be that exhausting for the audience. But we're
doing six shows and we're doing a Saturday matinee, and
the matinee is going to be relaxed and sensory friendly,
which is really good. And, uh, all the shows are
(06:59):
audio described and, uh, they're tactile tours before every show
on request. So we're doing six shows in total. It's
a fun run. October 8th through 12. It's going to
be great.
S2 (07:13):
Okay, well, let's get the details for people out there
in terms of how they can register and grab some
tickets to the shows and find out more about when
and where each of those shows are taking place. Where's
the best place for them to go?
S3 (07:30):
Yeah, so the website is Melbourne Fringe. Com.au. And uh,
if uh, if you'd prefer to book on the phone,
it's 03966096 and just say you want tickets to Jeremy Moses's, uh,
one man show, and, uh, you'll get it there. And also, uh,
my website, uh, Jeremy Moses COVID-19 has all the accessibility information,
(07:57):
and it has the access pack, PDF, uh, relaxed guide
and access pack. And that sort of tells the audience
what's involved in the show and gives more access details.
S2 (08:07):
Okay.
S3 (08:08):
Could I ask you a question?
S2 (08:09):
Yeah.
S3 (08:10):
So, Sam, have you had any experience with tactile tours or,
you know, shows that have audio descriptions?
S2 (08:17):
I have done some sort of audio descriptions, not so
much tactile tours because I've got low vision. I don't
know if I would get the full experience from so
much a tactile tour, but when I've had audio guides
to various things, those have been extremely useful, like when
I've gone through art exhibits. Even though I can see
(08:40):
some of the work, there's some aspects that I can
only really get through having them explained to me through audio,
and that's been a huge benefit to having those through
galleries and stuff. But no, not not so much theatre
and stuff like that.
S3 (08:58):
Yeah, it's a new it's a new experience for me
as well. I the last couple of shows that I did,
I've had audio descriptions sort of as a punchline, like
the audio descriptions, like she makes fun of me. She
like calls me out on what I'm wearing, and it's
sort of like a fun way to incorporate it. But
this year I'm actually labeling every show as a as
(09:19):
a audio described show. So, uh, I have to legitimately
put across what the visuals are. And the show is
very visual this year. So having audio descriptions I think
will help convey what's happening on stage. And also we'll
have fun with it and we'll be a bit silly
with it.
S2 (09:36):
Yeah, that's a lot of fun. Yeah, and that sounds great.
S3 (09:39):
And the tactile tours will be for people to touch
the costumes and kind of get a sense of of
what's happening on stage. I sort of conceived it as like,
what would I want out of a show? The things
that I miss when I go to shows. Um, I
feel like incorporating those into my show with my lived
experience will hopefully come across, um, helpful.
S2 (10:01):
Yeah, yeah. For sure. Now, Jeremy, let's recap all those
six locations and times for people out there, including which
ones do have those tactile tours.
S3 (10:15):
Yeah. So I'm on October 8th to October 12th. The
Wednesday to Saturday is on at 6 p.m., and on
the Saturday we also have a low sensory and relaxed matinee.
And that's at 3:45 p.m.. And on the Sunday I'm
on at 5 p.m. and it's at the Trades Hall
Festival Hub, Trades Hall in Carlton. It's a great venue
(10:38):
and I'm really excited to be there. And it's all accessible,
wheelchair accessible, and it's a lot of the festival is
taking place in Trades Hall and I'm really excited to
be part of it.
S2 (10:50):
Okay, and how many gigs have you done at Trades
Hall so far, Jeremy, and how have you found the experience?
S3 (10:58):
Just last year and this year I pitched this year's
show as a joke. I didn't I didn't think they'd
give it to me because it's very self-referential. But, um,
last year I was in the Trades hall, um, with
the double act. And so this year feels like a
do over. Like I'm back there. I'm back in the
same building, uh, reliving the same traumas and.
S2 (11:18):
Hopefully.
S3 (11:19):
Hopefully getting over it.
S2 (11:20):
Yeah. Well, hopefully. Fingers crossed.
S3 (11:22):
Yeah. And it's it's a great building and all the
festival takes place out of there. And there are a
lot of interesting and diverse acts performing there. After my show,
I'm going to go watch a bunch of shows. It's
a lovely place to perform and they're lovely people. The
fringe are really nice people, and they they look after me.
S2 (11:41):
Well, that's very important. I'm really pleased to hear that
you're getting that support, and you've got that opportunity to
kind of do, I guess, on stage therapy. In some ways,
I guess you could work through it. Yeah, no. For sure. Okay. Well, that's, um,
that's going to be very interesting. Um, and, you know,
bearing your soul on, um, on the public stage and that's, um. Yeah.
(12:04):
So very excited to hear how that all goes. And
hopefully you can get some answers and a bit of
closure and, you know, all that sort of thing. And
it does sort of help to talk it out. And
that's for everyone out there. If you, you know, if
you have a problem, you just talk it out. Don't
keep it in. And you know, there's always somebody to
talk to. And I.
S3 (12:24):
Think it's better.
S2 (12:25):
To talk. Yeah it is.
S3 (12:26):
Certainly I as as someone who just got ghosted, uh,
for my show last year, I haven't heard from her, like,
all year. Um, and I, you know, I texted her
and said, great show. Like, I'm happy to do more
of them. Nothing. And so, yeah, I don't agree with ghosting.
I think it's better to talk things out. And, uh,
I'm glad that I'm able to at least, uh, to
(12:49):
the void. And hopefully people will be there to listen.
S2 (12:53):
Yeah. For sure. Okay. Well, to grab a ticket to
Jeremy's show, simply head to Melbourne fringe.com. That's Melbourne fringe.
To grab a ticket. Jeremy, thank you so much for
being back on the show. It's always great to catch
up with you and hear what you're up to, and
(13:15):
all the best with the new show.
S3 (13:16):
Thank you so much, Sam. Lovely to be here.
S2 (13:24):
I'm Sam Corley and you're listening to Talking Vision on
Vision Australia Radio, Associated Stations of Disability Media Australia and
the Community Radio Network. I hope you enjoyed that conversation
with Jeremy Moses there. If you missed any part of
that chat with Jeremy or you'd love to hear it again.
(13:46):
Talking vision is available on the podcast platform of your
choice or through the Vision Australia library. You can also
find various episodes of Talking Vision through the Vision Australia
Radio website at VA radio. That's VA radio Dot. Have
you or someone you know struggled with accessibility in the
(14:10):
job seeking process, or wondered how to disclose your disability
when going through applying for a job. Well, knowable me
is looking to hear from you. They're looking into some
research around these issues and a lot more. And to
have a chat with me all about this. It's my
(14:32):
great pleasure to welcome back to Talking Vision, managing director
of knowable. Me, Kelly Schultz. Kelly, welcome back to Talking Vision.
Thank you very much for your time.
S4 (14:43):
Thank you very much for having me.
S2 (14:45):
No worries at all. Now, Kelly, as always knowable me
has gotten up to quite a lot lately, in particular
looking to research some things around jobseekers and getting into
the workforce for people with disabilities. So tell us a
bit about what knowable me's up to there.
S4 (15:06):
Well, we've got a big national piece of research going
on where we're looking at the barriers people with disability
face applying for jobs. And I think a lot of
those barriers aren't obvious. They're hidden in online application systems
and automated screening, or even the language used in job ads.
So the idea for us is to map out where
(15:27):
people are being excluded, and in particular before their CVS
might even be read. So it's like getting even, just
getting through that little first step. And we're hoping to
shine a light on what needs to be changed.
S2 (15:41):
Yeah. Because, um, quite a few job ads out there,
they're automated, as you said. They're a lot of it,
especially these days with AI. Um, that's sort of creeping
in and, you know, that sort of thing. But you
get stuff like must have driver's license and then you
get in touch with them and they say, well, no,
why was that there? I you know, that's not a
requirement at all. But people see that and they might
(16:03):
not be able to drive and that sort of discourages them.
And yeah, so that certainly needs to change now. What
sort of things have you found out so far that
have been quite illuminating, or it's still in the early stages?
S4 (16:18):
We've done a bit of discovery research, and it's interesting
that a lot of both job seekers and the people
who were doing the hiring, so the hiring managers don't
actually know what AI is doing in job applications. So
they don't even know that some of these systems might
be filtering people out on things that are kind of
hidden in a black box. There's not a lot of
(16:40):
transparency about what's happening in there and who's got choice
and control over that. We love choice and control, don't we?
S2 (16:47):
We certainly do.
S4 (16:47):
Yeah. Um, we don't really know what's happening in there,
and it doesn't feel like hiring managers are in control,
and people who are submitting applications are trying to almost
game a system, not knowing what that system is. So
that's the first thing. Yes. And there's also these job
ad issues like you've mentioned. There's always the standard accessibility issues.
(17:08):
It's almost like we're looking deeper than that this time.
Of course, they've got to fix the accessibility of these
platforms and systems. I don't know if you've ever heard,
but there are some now where they want you to
record a video.
S2 (17:19):
Oh yeah, I've heard about those. And that's just nightmare.
Oh my God.
S4 (17:23):
And it sort of gives you this countdown on screen.
None of them that I've heard a screen reader accessible. No,
but yeah, it gives you questions on the screen that
you're supposed to answer in video, like, and this is
the only choice that's being provided. But I think the
other thing that we're doing is we also want to
have a bit of a chat to people about disclosing disability,
(17:43):
because you'll find that there are lots of job applications
now where they say, do you need any modifications to
the process to help you? Accessibility modifications or anything like that.
And inherent in asking for any accessibility is disclosing that
you've got a disability and there's this constant battle and
there's so many different opinions about what's right and what
(18:04):
you should do. And yeah, it's it's a really, really
interesting piece of research.
S2 (18:09):
Mhm. Yeah. I did want to talk about that disclosure
element Kelly because that's super daunting for a lot of people.
And as you've said there's no one right answer. Everybody's
got their own personal way that works for them and
what feels comfortable for them. But you know there's a
lot of trepidation obviously about you mention that you have
(18:31):
a disability and you're thinking in the back of your mind,
you know, what are they going to think about that?
Are they just going to put me in the too
hard basket and not, you know, read my CV at all?
And that's like such a terrible feeling to, you know, um,
be going through all these jobs, you know, you're looking
for work and facing enough challenges as is, and then
(18:52):
you have that on top. So, um, that's certainly something
that definitely needs to be tackled now. What's the best
way for people to get in touch with knowable? Me
if they would like to have their say and contribute
to the research in their own way. What's the process
there and how can people get involved?
S4 (19:13):
So we're running a few different stages for this. It's
probably going to go all the way through September at
the moment. So a few stages. The first thing is
if people are online and want to jump onto the
noble website and sign up or log in to their account,
they'll find the eligibility survey, which is just a few
questions that help us make sure we're getting the right
people in to do the paid survey. And so that's noble.
(19:36):
So k n o w a b l e m.
So that's the website. And then you can also contact us.
So research at noble is the email address or the
phone number 04351857. And so there are a few parts
to this research. As I said there's a survey. So
(19:57):
there's an online survey that's paying $10 for people who
are eligible and go through and fill out the survey
and give us their insights and experiences. We're also doing
some paid interviews later in September that will be paying
$40 for half an hour of people's times to talk
about their experiences. We'll be selecting people for interview from
the survey, so hopefully there are lots of people coming through.
S2 (20:21):
Perfect. Okay, well, I've been speaking today with Kelly Schultz,
managing director from knowable. Me looking to hear from members
of the disability community about various issues people face in
getting their foot in the door, in the workforce, and
how to make the process more accessible. Kelly, thank you
(20:45):
so much for your time today. It's great to catch
up with you as always and have a chat.
S4 (20:50):
Lovely to be with you. Thanks, Sam.
S2 (20:54):
Well, we're two thirds of the way through the year now,
but the news is not slowing down by any means whatsoever.
It's just ramping up. And to have a chat with
us all about the latest news from the blind and
low vision community. It's my pleasure, as always, to welcome
the editor of For your Information. Otherwise known as FYI,
(21:18):
Liz Dalakouras. Back to talking vision. Liz. Welcome back to
Talking Vision. Thank you very much for your time.
S5 (21:26):
Not a problem. You know, I love coming on, Sam.
S2 (21:28):
I love having you now, Liz. Of course we're here
to chat about some exciting news in FYI, coming up
for people out there starting off with some news around
an NDIS reform advisory committee.
S5 (21:44):
Yeah, absolutely. It's actually quite exciting. So the government has
decided to listen. And they're involving the disability community to
shape major reforms that are going on in the NDIS.
So we know there are lots of changes currently going on.
So having some lived experience on an advisory committee is
just a really, really great thing. So it will consist
of 11 members and those people will be integral in
(22:08):
giving advice on implementing the new reforms and just encouraging
people with disability throughout the entire process. So it's really exciting,
super exciting.
S2 (22:18):
And something else that's quite exciting. I understand the Minister
for Aged Care was recently interviewed as well in some
related news.
S5 (22:28):
It was. Yeah. So on the ABC Sydney mornings, the
radio show, the Minister for Aged Care and Seniors, Sam Ray,
he was a guest. And the transcript for that interview
is now live. And it talks about updates on health policy,
community initiatives and just his practical insights to help support
the community. So it's just a really interesting interview to
(22:50):
have a read of.
S2 (22:52):
Okay, definitely check that one out there for sure. And also, Liz,
just a reminder for people out there about a home
appliance survey that Vision Australia is currently holding. Tell us
a bit about that one.
S5 (23:08):
Yeah, it's actually a really, really cool survey because it's
getting there are home appliances within the house that are
quite frustrating to use because of their inaccessibility. So, you know,
we at Vision Australia and I know you've spoken about
this before, Sam, but just as a reminder for everybody,
we've created this survey to hear your thoughts and find
out how we can make home appliances more accessible for everybody.
(23:31):
And also what you think is the gold standard for accessibility.
Maybe you even have a product that you already find
accessible and you want to tell everybody about it. So
if you haven't filled in the survey, we'd really love
to hear your thoughts about it for sure.
S2 (23:44):
And yes, as you've mentioned there, Liz, I did have
a chat with Bruce McGuire. There's quite a few interesting
elements in there. There's quite a few more touch screens.
Everything's a bit more visual these days with devices, and
that does create a fair few issues for members of
the blind and low vision community, myself included. So very
(24:06):
interested to hear people's input. So check out this fortnight's
issue of FYI to grab all the links to that,
plus much more. And to find out a little bit
more about how you can sign up to for your
information to receive the fortnightly FYI in your inbox, simply
(24:30):
head to Vision Australia dot Vision Australia's website. That's Vision
Australia all one word.org and search for FYI. Liz, thank
you very much for your time today. Great to catch
up with you again and have a chat about FYI.
S5 (24:48):
Not a problem. Thanks, Sam, I love coming on. It's
always a pleasure.
S2 (24:56):
And now here's Frances Kelland with a reader recommended.
S6 (25:00):
Thank you Sam. This week's reader recommended is Come on
Papa by Ryan Knighton. This book describes Knighton's voyage to
the first year of fatherhood, made more daunting by his blindness.
He wonders how he will get to know his pre-verbal
bundle of coos and burps when he can't see her
smile or look into her eyes. Tackling these hurdles with
(25:23):
grace and humour, Ryan is determined to do his part
as a father despite the pitfalls. Let's hear a sample
of Come On Papa by Ryan Knighton. It's narrated by
Bruce Roney.
S7 (25:36):
Our first home was an eyesore. The kitchen alone was
a pastel pink, peach yellow and minty green sampler. The
day we took possession, my wife Tracy shaded her eyes
and started to paint. I didn't. As with so many situations,
I stood around and watched. Sort of. By that point
(26:00):
in our lives, I'd been going blind for reasons unrelated
to our kitchen's color scheme. For more than a decade,
my condition is called retinitis pigmentosa. Poorly behaved genes programmed
my retinas to painlessly self-destruct. Very, very slowly. Seems like
(26:23):
they just bored themselves to death. Sometimes my blindness feels
that way. Consider that Tracy had to describe hundreds of
paint chips to me before picking one. I loved her
for trying to include me and felt blinder for having listened.
S6 (26:41):
And that was Come On Papa by Ryan Knighton. Just
one of the many over 40,000 audiobooks that you can
borrow from the Vision Australia library. To call the library,
the number is 130654656. That's 1300 654 656 or email them at
(27:01):
Library Vision Australia. That's. library at Vision Australia.
S2 (27:07):
And that's all the time we have for today. You've
been listening to Talking Vision. Talking vision is a Vision
Australia radio production. Thanks to all involved with putting the
show together every week. And remember, we love hearing from you.
So please get in touch anytime on our email at
Talking Australia. That's talking vision all. One word at Vision Australia.
(27:35):
But until next week it's Sam Corley saying bye for now.
S1 (27:42):
You can contact Vision Australia by phoning us anytime during
business hours on one 384 746. That's one 384 74
six or by visiting Vision Australia that's Vision Australia.
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