The 17th Segment | Episode 11 - "The Backdoor Interview"

Bo & Beth have done a lot of broadcasting. Like... A LOT. As TV & radio hosts, they've also interviewed a lot of people. By popular demand, in this episode, we go over some of the most memorable, the best and worst of their time behind mics and cameras.
This one will stick with you like cheese.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I guess you could start you guess you guess?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Is that like I, I sort of want to hear what
you have to say.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
I do really want to do something.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Better might come on in the next thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Are we doing one of these?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Is this a podcast?

Speaker 4 (00:15):
What is this? Well?

Speaker 5 (00:17):
Come to the seventeenth segment an official podcast of Good
Morning Beat.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Can we just talk about that?

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Everybody, Welcome to episode eleven of the seventeenth segment. Can
we just talk about that moment from today's show today?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And I'm enjoy the ride and enjoy the rest of
your day at it.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Was today's date? Aren't you were twentieth the twentieth twenty?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I get that one correct, right. That's the first podcast
that you've actually gotten the date correct on the first track?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Got the date right? If you didn't hear today's show.
We had a contest today we were giving away tickets
to the Hornets the opening night for the Hornets. There
are Charlotte Hornets game, which is in the brainly newly
renovated Spectrum Center. And what's there?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
What's there?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
What's their tagline? They've got a Space and a Taste
for everyone. Yes, a space and a taste for everyone's said.
The New Spectrum Center is so we have these contests
that we do when we give away tickets, because we
are not going to be like we're gonna give a
word a caller number ten. We want to do like
a whole thing with it. We want to do a
contest that's fun for everybody. For all of our listeners, it.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Was right there for them and they could have done Taste.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
The Value, Taste the Value. Well today Dave was like
one of our winners, and so he's going to the
game on Wednesday at the New Spectrum Center. So after
he won, I said, hey, Dave, call us back and
tell us what you eat. And Boe and Jim we're both.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Like, what like for meals of food?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Like they thought I was just randomly telling this man
to call me and tell me like his food diary of.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
How day to day, how do you eat?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
But I meant, like the new food at the Spectrum Center.
He had just on tickets. I wanted to know if
he tried any of the new.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Food because we had moved on Like it's like like
I said on the air today, it's it's short attention
span theater.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
We said it ten minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I was ten miles down the road by the time
you said that.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
And you know what, I don't think Dave ever responded
to day was just like.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
NI, Dave's still holding.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm still wondering how to get the tickets.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
I was supposed to get his information to send him tickets,
wasn't I.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh, So that was one of the I had one
of those days today during the show where after segments,
I was just like, guys, I'm so sorry that that
came out of my mouth like that. At one point too,
I had another one of those moments like I had
back at the Speedway the day that I was trying
to think of like the whole ball of wax and
what I said was a whole bucket of crabs, and

(02:44):
I don't know where that came from. I had another
one today where I said, that's just going to stick
to you like cheese.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
But see, this is where you want to be, Beth.
You think about all the places that you've been, and
the Speedway example, when you said that some places you've
been along the way, they would have said, you are
so what are you doing here? I tried to make
the NASCAR driver say it, and we did, and then
Marcus Smith, the owner of the whole freaking Speedway, said.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
It okay, So here's the challenge.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I can I get right like you're in the right place. Yes, yes, this.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
One in the right place. So here's the challenge for today,
for anyone who watches this podcast when it's released, I
want you to send me a text on the text
line seven O four five, seven eleven ten or call
us during the show sometime this week and use it's
gonna stick to you like cheese. Somehow it's the secret

(03:33):
word or a phrase. Yes, it's like Pee Wee's Playhouse
is like a secret phrase. Just somebody show, somebody use it.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Now we're gonna get this is what happens because the
last time we did this, I think I said, Hey,
tell us whatever time you're watching the podcasts or listening,
you know, drop on the text line and tell us
when and then like for the next two weeks, like
randomly during TJ Show or Vince or whatever, watching the
seventeenth segment.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
So that would be even funnier is during somebody else's
show a text comes through where you're using a sentence
where you say it's gonna stick to you like cheese.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
This is the other. Like two weeks ago in the air,
I told that story about I had a friend at
summer camp who used to love to toss a sentence
in between out of nowhere that meant nothing related to it,
and you go. The funny thing is I don't even
like salad, and everybody's like, wait, what, So that's what
this needs to be like now, like in context, I

(04:29):
mean out of context really, but in random spots, whether
it's the text line or you know what, Maybe take
it a step further, take your smartphone and actually video
the conversation of you and your friends talking and Beth
and say that'll stick to you like cheese.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'm gonna stick to you like cheese. I just want
that phrase to become part of at least Charlotte's lexicon,
at least Charlotte just because these are just random things
that come out and I don't know where it's. It's
as if my brain malfunctions briefly, and words that don't
belong to you glitch. Yes, it's like a glitch in
the matrix. Words that don't belong together come out in

(05:02):
a sentence.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
We thought it would be fun today to go down
the road of and we have people sort of suggest
this along the way in one form or another, all
time favorite interviews you know or you know, and that
can mean somebody famous or it can mean somebody memorable,
But we go down this road of the worst interviews

(05:25):
the best interviews. I think when somebody asked me that question,
there are several that pop into my head that are
kind of the obvious ones. But one thing that tells
me that we've built the kind of show that I
set out to build with you is that, yes, they're
famous people, but they're also memorable people and people that
sort of became things that you go back to because

(05:47):
of the weird zany world that we've sort of built
each day in the morning.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So are when you are thinking about
this question? Because we have been asked on our text
from listeners like, Okay, you guys talked to so many
different people who are some of your favorites. Were you
thinking about it in terms of just the show you
and I have done together, or were you thinking about
it in terms of an entire career. Entire career okay,
because that's where my brain went to, is just the

(06:15):
course of people who are memorable and who have been
fun or interesting or awful and memorable.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
So is there one that you immediately go to without thinking?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yes, so, well, I have two that I immediately go
to without thinking. One of my favorite favorite interviews of
all time was when I was working at Fox doing
the morning show Fox News Rising, and I interviewed Terry
Bradshaw via satellite and he used to do on his
sports show like the I don't know, I can't read
this is two thousand and six, probably that I did
this interview like the Top Ten with TB or something,

(06:48):
And so when I had him on and he was
doing when you get satellite interviews like that, they're doing
a promotional tour for a book or something, and I
think he had a book coming out or movie or something,
and so I, you know, did the talk about that,
and then I decided, since his was like the Top
Ten with TV or whatever it was called, I decided

(07:09):
to do the Top Ten with BT with him and
I just like he had to answer fire like questions
like I asked him stupid questions like cake stand or
you know, just and he was dying laughing along. He
played along okay beautifully and we laughed and had so
much fun together doing that interview that by the end

(07:29):
of it, when the after we had cut, he said
at the end of it, He's like, that was like
the best interview I've ever had. And I was like,
I wish I could hop through the camera and see.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's the thing though, is that's but you took a risk.
That's the risk risk because I'll tell you what most
likely happened right there. In fact, we had a week.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
He was ten yards with TV is what it was called,
and so I did ten yards with BT. I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Did you tell him ahead of time that he was No.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
No, I had no prep time before the interview, Like
he got on the satellite a satellite window that was
like ten minutes long, and the interview went for ten
minutes because we did that whole thing.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
So this is what happens. This is a little behind
the scenes for people who don't work in the world
we work in. Happens in radio, happens in TV. But
and it almost happened to us last week. I missed
the window last week. But I'll just give you a
little behind the scenes. So we're affiliated with Fox News Radio.
We're also we've been affiliated with ABC over the years.
When I first started working here, we were affiliated with

(08:26):
CBS and even way way back INBC, so we've kind
of run the gamut. But the point is is when
you have a connection with networks, a lot of times
they'll get access to big names and they'll say, hey,
if you're interested in talking to Terry Bradshaw, we have
a window and these times on what day, and then
the various TV stations will book those windows. So if

(08:49):
you're Terry Bradshaw, it's kind of like what we called
the car wash, Like you basically have a two hour
period where you have a book to promote or a
TV show to promote, whatever, and you're gonna be booked
by the network on like ten stations over two hours.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, and I've been on the other end of that
when I was doing Right this Minute, which was a
syndicated show.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Whenever we should double no whatever, I feel helpless here.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Whenever we would do like the new season of the show,
they would send me into a studio to do the
car wash. So I would do hits with stations all
over the country and you would you can't see the
other anchors, but you just have an earpiece in and
you hear them and most of the questions because the
PR people will send out a list of questions and
most of the anchors will ask those questions. They'll ask

(09:37):
those four or five questions and that's it. So you
end up doing the same version of the interview over
and over and over again, and you try like you
feel like you're being redundant or boring, but you have
to remember that those people in that market haven't seen
this interview yet. And now that you know, thinking back
about some of the satellite interviews that I've done, I'm
glad that I did what I did with Terry Bradshaw

(09:58):
because I would have I loved it if somebody had
done that with me. Yeah, yeah, I would have loved it.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
And some people, quite frankly, aren't good enough to be
that unpredictable. They don't want to be like Terry Bradshaw's
been working for Fox since nineteen ninety three, and then
he worked for CBS twenty years before that. Then of
course he was a player, So Terry Bradshaw's been around
the block when it comes to entertainment.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
And he played ball like a champion. It was so
much fine.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I on that.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's the risk that you took is that you didn't
get to talk to him ahead of time. So he said, Okay,
I'm gonna mix it up, and either he's going to
be right in the mood to play ball. And I've
been in part of interviews you probably have too where
the person wasn't they don't. I'll tell you about that
one in a few minutes. But but you took a
risk and he was game for it because either he
was so bored with what other people have been asking him,

(10:46):
or you know, you might have gotten him out of
the gate, and you also run that risk sometimes of
So last Thursday, we got a note that Brett.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Bayer, Oh yes, sorry, we never got to who it was.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
No, but it fits right in line with what we're
talking about. We got a note I did that Brett
Baher Fox you know does special report, he's their main anchor,
that he has a new book out, and they said, hey,
if you're interested in talking to Brett Bayer, go online
to our Fox affiliate place and reserve your spot. Right. Well,
what I didn't I didn't have a password, I hadn't
set anything up. So there's this whole rick and roll

(11:17):
that I had to go through by the time I
set all that up, they were all gone. But it
was like ten minute segments. And so Brett Beherr would
sit down last Thursday and go through twenty stations. Now
on number nineteen of that twenty he's probably so sick
of answering the same questions. And I don't know where
we would have fallen in that mix, but we always
tried to anytime you're in a position like that to

(11:39):
you know, be the exception to the rule. But you
have to. It doesn't work if the person on the
other end is not willing to play ball.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
And you have to be brave enough as the host
to go there and if you get shot down, be
okay with getting shot down.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
That's the thing. We did the same This is my
you know, I said there were two wrote that would
I would say are my favorites the other one We
did the same thing. One of my favorite favorite interviews
was Mike Pence, Vice President Mike Pence. This was after
he was vice president, but we had a conversation with
him about his book and the fact that he was

(12:14):
going to be speaking I think at Wingatt University. I
think there was something that was going along with it.
But then we went into and he didn't know we
were going to do this. We went into his kind
of history as a radio host, and Bo had some
of the production from his old radio show and Indiana.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
We had the Yeah and Bo played him and and
and then I asked him the question that was on
my brain, you know, about the fly that landed on
his head during the debates that became this kind of
became an snl skit.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mean, it became a national conversation. And his answer
was hilarious, and we got this whole side of Mike
Pence that I don't think the majority of people have
seen because as vice president he was so buttoned up,
and as a governor or he was so buttoned up.
But we kind of knew that he had that gear
because he had been a radio host, so we knew

(13:06):
he had the ability to probably add lib and so
we took a risk and we had a lot of
fun with him, and he played with us, and he
was a delight, like an absolute delight. And I'm not
talking about whether you know how you feel about him politically.
It was about his personality, his willingness to be open,

(13:26):
his willingness to be self deprecating. I mean all of it.
He was really interesting and so for that, I those
are the two that really stick out in my brain.
And over the course of a TV career, I mean
I've gotten to interview you know, Tim Robbins and Cindy
Crawford and Brookshields and Adam West and you know, random

(13:46):
people over the course of time, and I remember those interviews,
but like Terry Bradshaw and Mike Pence stuck out as Wow,
they just really wanted to have an interesting conversation, a
fun conversation.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
So if you want to send me the Humble Brags
sounder anytime, come on.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Do I know about being in the car wash? I've
been the reason for the car wash?

Speaker 3 (14:12):
And do you know what the day that I was
in the car wash, there was like a monsoon storm.
This was an Arizona and it was pouring down rain
and my hair was like growing exponentially because it was
so humid, and I don't know if it was just
getting more humid in the room. So by the end
of the satellite tour, I looked like I had just
worked out, like I was sweaty, and my hair was
all big. I looked like Roseanne Rosanna Dana from SNL.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
No, of course you've been the reason for the car wash.
You're a big deal.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
That's not how I meant it. I meant it as
that you get the same questions over and over and
over again.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I was trying to tell the story many leather bound books.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yes, and I have my own embosser, and I read
the dictionary cover to cop.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
My house smells like rich Mahogany.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Not any of Do you have a dictionary?

Speaker 2 (15:01):
She'll stick to you like chee.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
This segment is going to stick to all of y'all
like this.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It is, it is now. I've interviewed so one of
the interviews was okay, one was with you. When we're
talking about interviews, these aren't like my favorite or my
least favorite. They're ones where you had somebody interviewing me. No, no, no,
you're with me with one of them.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Oh, I thought you were going to tell me that
Rio was one of your favorite interviews.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I interviewed one time, but you forgot I remember.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Being interviewed by you.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
No, so I remember one interview. If we're talking about
interviews where you had to have somebody play along and
they did or they did not, so one interview where
he played along for a while and then he abruptly
decided he was done, and you know what I'm about
to talk about. We interviewed Bill Maher one day. Oh
and Bill Maher he just hung up on us.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
So it was a great interview for the first ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
No, we didn't get full ten minutes. It was a
great interview for like fours.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Great interview for the we talked to him from more
and four.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Oh it was so short, bough not.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
That short, all right, So I'm gonna go back on
my my, my, my art because I got it. But
at any rate, he wasn't tremendously long.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
When he wasn't rude.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
But we came out of the gate and we were
kind of doing what we do, which is our thing,
and we were talking to him, and then right in
the middle because we were doing the thing where I
kind of I try every once in a while, when
you're interviewing somebody like that, you telegraph it a little
bit because you say, hey, we so much appreciate your time.
A couple more questions or one more question, just so
they know you're about to wind this ship down and

(16:33):
land the plane. And I think I said something to
that effect. Yeah, And we asked him the last question
and he said, uh, you know what, I gotta go
another interview click, And we didn't even get a chance
to like say, hey, can.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
We get what.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
By and by.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I was so excited about doing that interview with him.
I was so excited about it. And I think when
he hung up, we had just started doing the show together,
and I think it was one of my first big
radio interviews. I think my face turned red and I
got really sad, Like my face turned red, and I
felt kind of dejected and slightly heartbroken. And at first

(17:12):
kind of it felt personal, but then I thought, like
he doesn't know me, Like it's not personal against me.
He just legitimately had to go because he was probably
in a car wash and had to do another one of,
you know, another round of interviews, and was just like
I got to get out of here. Well.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
And we liked the interview enough that we we salvaged
it and we played it. We basically said kind of,
I mean, it's right in line with what we do. Hey,
here's what happened. He bailed on us, but we did
have a I thought a substantive conversation leading up to that. Now,
the other one that I think about was on this show,
but was before you got here. You've heard it before
because I've played it. But it's one of those situations
where you have a split second where you have to decide, Okay,

(17:47):
am I gonna lean into this or am I going
to lean out of this? And so we used to
have a pretty close relationship with a guy in town
who unfortunately passed away a few years ago. But he
was a great guy. Call you think about who ran
that the comedy Zone And I.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Was just thinking about him the other day. I missed
that guy. He was so lovely and I just he
was just great at bringing guests around well.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
He loved coming by here and he loved One of
the reasons why this is a great place for him
to come is because you come in this building and
you know, you walk thirty feet and you passed three
radio stations on a TV station. It's a great place
to take anybody that you have in town that you
want to sort of again back to that car wash deal.
If you want to be in on as many platforms
and hit as many different audiences as you can, we're

(18:29):
a great place to come, so he knew that. But
the thing I always appreciated about him was he would
always text me with people that he knew would just
sort of be in our lane, but not the other ones.
Like I remember he brought John Lovetts in here one time.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, one time when I was just filling in for
you whenever Pat McCrory decided to run for Senate, and
you would bring me in every now and again. He
brought Frank Kelly Indo. Yes, And I texted you in
the middle of that segment because I was listening. I
was like, how am I not there on this day
with you? Well, I love Frank Kelly O.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
The Indo used to come in, But the memorable one
wasn't even like he didn't tell me that this guy
was coming. We had Mick Mixon on the morning after
the NFL Draft. He was Zochie and me and we
had mixing on the phone and mixing was breaking down. Gosh,
I'm trying to remember who it was. But anyway, that's
not the really important part of this. So we're talking

(19:22):
and just past the window walks Bob Saggitt, you know
from Whole House from America's Funniest Home videos.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
From How I Met Your Mother and Zochie and I.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Both went, well, that was Bob sagan I turned to
our producer, who was not with us at the time.
I said, Charles, I said, go see if you can
get him. Bob Saggan, Are you kidding me? This my
I'd love to talk to him. And he ran down
the hall and with him is Bob Saggat. So Bob
comes in and he sits down and we're like wow,
I said so, And I started to say we're we're
gonna talk to Mick Mixon, but we're gonna postpone. And

(19:53):
then I went, you know what, let's just do it.
We're doing this with Mick Mixon. And we put Mick
on with Bob Saggitt. He's sat down, didn't miss a
beat and neither did Mick. Mick jump right into it,
and like knew that. I think that Bob Saget went
to Maryland and they were talking about whatever draft, you know,
Maryland draft pick history, and Mick and Bob and Jim
and me just kind of rattled off. And it was

(20:15):
one of those things where I was like, I couldn't
have written this, I couldn't have planned this. I just
I'm glad that on a whim, I thought, you know what,
and it kind of speaks to go with it, you know,
the trust that you have with people in the room,
because I know Mick mixing fairly well, not like Jim,
but I mean I knew it.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
That's a humble brag, right, do we use the sounder
there that? Well?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
No, I meant that I knew him well enough. I
knew him well enough because he'd been on the show
so much. I'm kidding well, I mean, it's not like saying,
you know Beth Troutman. But anyway, we had a Mick
and we had uh Bob Saggot on and it's still
to this day one of my favorite segments ever because
I knew what went into it and it was just,
you know, you go with it. You don't always have

(20:56):
to have everything perfectly planned. Sometimes that's good, but sometimes
it's like, as we say, lean into it and so
uh uh Bob Saget good and and Bill Maher not
so good.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
I'm trying to think of one that for me that
just felt, uh felt not so good. I'm I when
I when we talked to Adam West, he was he
was lovely, he wasn't rude or anything by any stretch
of the imagination, but he It was one of those

(21:29):
booked interviews, and it was about prostate health. It's like
the most boring topic ever and questions. I think by
the end of it he had just I probably was
the last interview of the day or something, and he
had probably gone through people's talking points. It was just
anticipating the next call. And so I'm doing this interview

(21:50):
and he asked me if I had checked my prostate
and I was like, uh no, And so I think
I had a I had a I had a co host,
like a weather guy. So I think I just turned.
He wasn't sitting on the set with me at the time,
I don't think, And I think I turned to him
like over in the Weather Center, and I was like,
you want me to check yours? Like what do you do?

(22:13):
Like what do you say to try to get out
of that? But this was this That was again I
think I might have been at Fox News rising for that.
But another one that was ended up really good was
Evander Holyfield. I interviewed him on Oh and Blair Underwood.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So first of Evander Holyfield, I don't even remember why
he was on the show. This was when I was
doing a morning show for the Lifetime network. I don't
remember why he was on the show, what he was promoting,
but I do know that he had just finished doing
Dancing with the Stars. And so we got up and
we moved the chairs off the set and we danced.
We did the waltz together, and he was as light
on his feet as anything. I loved him. He was

(22:52):
so funny. And then Blair Underwood was on promoting some
kind of it might have been sugar. Let's go something,
some kind of food, because we were in the kitchen
on the kitchen set together and he fed me brownie.
He fed it to me, Lair Underwood, Blair Underwood. I mean,
if y'all don't know who that is, humble, do you

(23:13):
know what? He's so beautiful.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I don't have the sounder bow. I can't.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I can't the beautiful man and fed me, fed it
to me.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I don't know why I didn't ask him to, just
like a fend me the brownie, and my knees got
all like what, I don't know what to do, but
I ate the brownie and then I was all worried
because you know, brownies are sticky, and so then I'm
having to like host the rest of the and I
feel like I have brownie like all stuck to my teeth.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Blair Underwood, Blair.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think I need to go find some of these
videos because those were fun, fun memories.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Let's see here. Uh, it's more good than bad, isn't
that great?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
We've had more good than bad?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean I remember, I think. Okay, so let's go
in this direction.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Oh no, no.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Just if somebody says, when somebody says your best interview,
you've ever had, best, best, favorite, favorite, and best, I mean,
I guess they can be different, but I mean mine,
when I think of favorite, it's because I thought I
did the best job. I think, and if you thought
you well, it's a combination. No, hang on, it's a combination.
It's the best interview somebody. If somebody says, you've been

(24:23):
in radio or broadcasting all these years, what's the interview
that you hang your head on, says the best one?
It's probably I'm guessing because you thought you did well
and the person who you were talking to played ball, right.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I don't even know how to answer that. I would
want to hang my hat on. I've always I think
I've always thought about him just in terms of how
fun or interesting I thought the conversation was. And I'm
trying to well pray Terry Bradshaw, I get.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Where Bo's coming from with the the hang your hat on? Like,
is that your best interview and the most fun being
a little bit different because while I you know, I'm
I'm a producer here and have been a producer, I
did host a morning show way back yonder and I
have that answer is different, so like my I think

(25:14):
for me personally, my best one was when we had
Alton Brown in studio with.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Us so much.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
He was a country singer.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
No, he's a chef.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah, the celebrity, Well was the country singer.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Oh you're zinc Alton's you're thinking, You're thinking Alton, So
at least it was an Alton.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
It was yes, okay, yea. I don't feel so bad
because we.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Had him in on Good Morning BT. However, what like.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Ansel It was Brown, super close a couple of letters Brown,
but yeah, Alton Brown was a ton of fun. Similar
to what you guys were saying, is I we played
it as we don't want to ask him the standard
normal questions because this is when he was doing his.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
We haven't had Alton Brown on right, No, Oh my.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Gosh, I would flip I would flip up, flip out
if we had Alton Brown. So he was doing the
So Excited.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Podcast is the name of it? Seventeenth segment?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Sorry, do I need to reduce my screen and go
away now?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I was just trying to share I have a short
attention Spana where he is?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Anyway, Alton Brown was was the hangar hat On had
a lot of fun on air. It was great off air.
We got along really well. We had a ton of fun.
But my favorite would have been I interviewed a sci
fi author, John Scalzi, who I've read, like almost all
of his books. He and I sat in one of
our production rooms for almost two hours and recorded an interview,

(26:42):
none of which was really usable on air because we
just geeked out over sci fi.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
And TV shows.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And movies and it was like, well, this really doesn't
appeal to women twenty five to thirty five, which was
our core audience for the station that I was on.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
But he was in town doing a tour.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
If you just release a new book, he was going
to be at one of the local you know stores,
and I was like, oh, yeah, of course I want
to talk to John Scalzy.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Bring him in.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And we sat in a room for like two hours
and just rift on sci fi stuff. And that was
my favorite in that I just got to sit and
basically hang out and chill with somebody for two hours.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Okay, but Alton Brown still have it? Yeah, No, I'm
sure I do. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Okay, so now I see, I see what you're doing.
So okay, okay, okay, Okay, Now I get.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Maybe that's just how I kind of heard the topic,
but I that's you know he's doing.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
No, I get the game. I get the game. I
get the question.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I don't know where I am get.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
You asked the question like what what interview would you
hang your hat on? Or like what was I had
when I was at.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
W seventeen interviews would you hang your heads on?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
There are so many that I don't know that I
would hang my hat on.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
A closet full of hats, bow, which one do you
want to wear?

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Not that I would hang my hat on this one?
But you know that I geek out about Arthur C. Brooks.
He does that he did like a happiness project for
the Atlantic. He wrote a book called The Conservative Heart.
He used to be the president of a conservative think
tank in Washington, d C. And he came through Charlotte

(28:12):
to promote his book, The Conservative Heart, and I basically
used him as my guest for the full half hour
of the political show Flashpoint. I loved him. I loved him.
He was so smart, so incredibly articulate, so interesting, and
it is not one bit surprising to me that he

(28:35):
ended up doing this happiness project for the Atlantic. He's
been on like CBS Mornings talking about the research and
the work that he's done on happiness. He's so insightful,
but he's so vulnerable and so open, and I just
I kind of I have followed his career because I

(28:56):
enjoyed interview him, interviewing him that much. And I think
that's probably the biggest impression somebody had on me that
I've continued following their career because he was someone that
I didn't know a lot about. But I had prepped
for the interview, and I read his book before the interview,
and we were talking in the green room before we
went in to record, and I had his book there

(29:19):
with like forty seven post it notes, as you can imagine,
as I probably would because I read the whole book.
And when I sat down and he saw all the
post it notes, he said, you know what, I think
you might be the first person to ever interview me
who has actually read the book, who actually read the
book that I'm here to promote. And I thought that
was interesting, and it kind of made me sad for
the state of people who were interviewing. But I mean,

(29:40):
I get it, like you get a lot of books
and you have a lot of interviews.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
But I get that too when I interview authors I read, but.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I read the whole I read the book because I
wanted to be able to have a And so the
show was only a half an hour with commercial breaks,
and I could have talked to him for nine years,
not just about the book, but just about I. Every
question that he answered sparked something else I wanted to
talk about in my mind. And it was just one
of those things like I if I had to create

(30:09):
a dinner party with some of my favorite people, if
I could pick anybody for it, I'd pick him.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's like Steve my dinner party. Steve was saying that
he did an interview that was so interesting to him
the subject matter that you sort of get lost in
the fact that you're doing this for other people.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, you're doing it for a TV show, right.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And how great a situation is that if you can
get somebody who's engaging you, Yes, and who's that on
that level?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Art?

Speaker 3 (30:30):
And that just that good. So Arthur C. Brooks, I mean,
just man. And Chris Wallace another one that I enjoyed.
We would talk with him every Friday on Fox because
he had Fox New Sunday, and so I got to
talk politics with him every Friday.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Insert sounder here.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
No, no, no, no, here's what.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
You don't know where I'm going with this one, and
I don't know if Beth does either. But so Beth
and I crawl. We were like ships. We weren't even
ships in the night. We missed each other working at
the same Fox affiliate. You left and then I came.
But you set the table for an interview on the
show in the morning. They did for because they're not
a Fox affiliate over at the WCCB anymore, but they

(31:11):
were at the time. And so I'm assuming that you
set the framework of this that lasted for a few
years after you left of interviewing Christopher Wallace on.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Friday, Chris Walla, Chris Wallace on Fridays. Yeah, he did,
thank you, so like that lasted a long past set.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
So they had an anchor who came after you. He
was a couple of anchors pasted you. I know this
because I went over there and worked there for a
little while and they trained me on the morning show.
And during one of my training sessions, I was downstairs
in the control room listening to one of these weekly
interviews with Chris Wallace, who at the time was the
host of Fox News Sunday. Each week he was he

(31:50):
was the senior reporter or senior commentator at Fox News
at the time. A big deal, you know, on the
level of the meet the presses and the ABC's this week,
you know all the people that do those. So anyway,
there was an anchor there who proceeded to interview Chris
Wallace and I don't know what the story of the

(32:10):
week was overseas or it was an obligatory thing that
everybody was talking about, and then she proceeded, straight faced,
expecting a thought out answer. What did you think of
the results of American Idol last night, because in her eyes,

(32:31):
he's working for the big Fox umbrella. And you know,
we can both tell you about what it's like to
work for a Fox Network affiliate in the age of
Fox News, because they think you all work in the
same room. But anyway, hearing Chris Wallace trying to eloquently
get out of answering, well, you know, I don't really
watch that program, but I'll never forget that. And that
probably happened because you planted the seeds for Chris Wallace

(32:55):
to do local hits with the Charlotte station.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Oh that's so funny. My final day at at WCCB
was a Friday, and so I interviewed him on my
final day and he did this beautiful like they told him.
I guess before the interview started, he did this lovely
goodbye to me on the air, which was so sweet
and made me cry. Actually I cried on the air, shocking,

(33:20):
I know. And he invited me. He was like, if
you're ever in Washington, come by the studio to see me.
And I was actually going to be in Washington like
two weeks from that day for a baby shower, and
so I went by and saw him. I went into
the studio and I went and sat down and talked
to him. And I got there like all wind blown.
I was completely lost. That was in the days before

(33:40):
like I had a GPS on my phone or anything
like that. It just had a little flip phone. So
I got completely lost, and I thought I was going
to be late. And I got in there like all
wind blown, in my hair, like stuck to my lip
gloss and sat down in the seat all stressed out
before I got to sit down and talk with him.
And we had a good like hour long conversation maybe
in his office, and chatted about the world in politics.

(34:01):
Ben Azer Buddho.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
So I'll tell you this is this is probably my
favorite to what.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I was trying to think. It's the former president of Pakistan,
ben A Deer ben A de bud Buddha. Go ahead,
ask jeeves, keep yeah, keep keep keep keep talking while
I make sure I'm getting that right.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Well, it's it's somewhat of a mean in some ways.
It's a similar story. But PGA Championship came here in
twenty seventeen, so it's been here twice now. But in twenty.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Zero there's a ze been a zer Buddha. Thanks you
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Twenty seventeen, the PGA Championship came and I reached out
to CBS hoping that we could get Jim Nantz on
the show that appeared.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
In the film, the famous film with Jim Zoki.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
With Jim Zoki, this was I want to say, this
was before that, or maybe I don't know at any rate.
Jim Nantz is, you know, the the lead sports guy
for CBS and one of the I mean he's he's
on the Mount Rushmore. I mean, he's Jim Nantz. So
we reached out to CBS. I reached out to CBS
to see if you get Jim to come on, and

(35:09):
Jim agreed to come on. Now, Jim Nantz is in
the category. I will put Dale Murphy in this category
for me too, because talk about people that you grow
up watching and you really revere and you're thinking, Okay,
what's it going to be like to talk to this
guy when you finally get him. Is he going to
be that the way he comes across on TV? Is
it going to be the way that you would hope
that he would be?

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Set the bar so high?

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Right?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
And you know, you know very well that sometimes there's
a facade that gets created, and when you meet these
people behind the scenes, they're not at all like they
were or how they portray themselves on TV. One of
the reasons Jim Nantz is so successful is because he
appears like your buddy next door. Like he appears like
he'd have go have lunch with you right now, and he's.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Speaking to you through that screen guy next door.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, very neighborly, right, that's why he says hello friends.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I had him on the show and we actually taped it,
and Jim said he he has this window on whatever day.
And so I went in the studio and I had,
like you did, I got like twenty questions and I'm
thinking I'll get to like three. I had twenty questions.
I probably got to eighteen of them.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
He gave you that much time. It was by phone,
or he was it.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Was by phone. But so we're talking, and you know,
we asked every question. I ended up telling him that
my dad he's from Mount Holly and my dad grew
up in Mount Holly. So at the end I told him,
I said my dad grew up in Mount Holly, and
he starts talking about going on and on about that basically,
I'm sitting here going I know you got to go.
He said, well, one more thing, and so at the

(36:38):
end of it, at the end of it, he says,
are you coming to the tournament? And I said, you know,
I said I should be, but I did not apply
for the press credentials in time. We're covering it. You know,
we didn't. We didn't. We did not take the show
there that year because the PGA Championship is a different
management group than the Wells Fargo Championship or now the

(36:58):
Truest Championship. So I didn't get my ducks in a row.
I could have gone, but I didn't. And I said, no, no,
I'm not going to be out there. But I said,
I'll be watching on TV. And he says, well, you know,
why don't you come, I said, I said, because I
don't have a pen, And he says, I got a
couple of extra CBS ones. What int he left me?
He left me his two extra passes at the desk

(37:22):
of the hotel where he was staying in town, and
my daughter and I went out to the to the
to the tournament, and he invited us back to the
CBS area. So I got this really cool picture of
me and my daughter and Jim Nantz. And when we
went out there to see him, you know, this is
the guy that flew in and he's anchor of all
the coverage and he's got a million places to be

(37:44):
and he sat down behind you know, in the area
behind the bleachers and we just talked and took pictures
and you know, he didn't have to do that. He
absolutely didn't have to do that. I mean, he's so
I don't know. You know, you get to meet people
that you really think highly of and then you hope
that that they don't that's that's not just a narrative

(38:06):
that they try to care. He was as gracious and
as generous with his time, and you know, you can
tell when you're talking to somebody and they're not just
going through the motions. And so, you know, there's an
example of somebody that I was really thrilled to get
on the show. It was a big get the PGA
Championship was in town. And then on top of that,
he ends up being like the greatest guy. And so
now when when I watch him do anything, I'm just like, wow,

(38:29):
you know, he's he's a good dude, a good dude
who doesn't doesn't have to be a good dude, but is.
And so everybody who tells you that all those people
aren't what they're cracked up to be, sometimes they are.
And that's really cool when they are, and it makes
I know, it makes somebody like me, who is nowhere
near that echelon of of stardom and broadcasting for whatever

(38:50):
place I am on the tiny rung of the ladder,
it sort of makes me want to be that way
to whatever extent I can be. And I feel like
we are.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
So that somebody has that same experience.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean, I love what we do and we're lucky
to do it, and obviously I'm very proud to have
worked to this for the station all these years. But
that how you I've seen We've brought up examples of
people who who don't have. Like I've said to people before,
some people are talented enough or of a certain level
of talent where they don't have to treat people the

(39:24):
right way. Their talent is such that they can they
can afford to be asses and it doesn't matter because
their talent will make people who work around them and
that employ them put up with their bs because they're
that good, and there are plenty of people like that,
unfortunately in this business. There's probably more people at the
big top of the list that that are that way, unfortunately,

(39:46):
but then there's some that aren't. And so I said
to myself when that happened, I'm going to make sure
I relay that story whenever I can, because you need
to know who the good guys are and good gals
are when when they're out there.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
I love hearing that because you say it never they say,
never meet your heroes.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Right, Well, Dale Murphy was the same thing. Like I
told Zochie back in the day, this is like the
second year I was on the air, I was a
little afraid to have Dale Murphy in because I'm like, gosh,
is he gonna like this was my This was my guy,
my idol as a sports title as a kid, and
he was everything in a million years you could have wanted.
And that's not how life usually is. But again, a

(40:24):
better way to say what I was trying to say
is that's not how life is. But when you find
out examples of people who are that way, I think
it's up to us to illuminate there, you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
And make sure people know that they're really really just
good human beings and remind people that there are good
human beings out there, even the ones who are super
successful and maybe get a bad rap because they are
broadcasters or because they are Hollywood actors or you know,
sports figures.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Well, and I'll back you up on Jim Nantzpo because
when I used to work for the war Goolf Hall
of Fame, he m seed one of our well I mean,
I'm sure he's done more than one, but one of
one of the years in which I was there the
actual Hall of Fame induction ceremony, he am seated and
I was one of the people who was the liaison
with the Hall of famers and the broadcasters and the

(41:11):
people that were coming through. And he was a gem
he And because I also said the same, I said something,
you know, kind of similar to bo Is. I was like,
you know, I'm actually also a broadcaster. I worked for
you know, a part time for one of the radio
stations here in Jacksonville, and we got onto the broadcasting thing,
but I also worked for the World Golf.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
So he's won and in a very similar vein since
we just happened to be talking golf and PGA. Phil
Mickelson was another one one of the nicest guys I
could have imagined, he and his wife both. There were
some golfers, I'll admit who were not the nicest of
of people, but I had great experiences with, you know,

(41:53):
with Mickelson, with Ernie els With.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I mean would tell you Rory McElroy is just salt
of the earth, I mean.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
And Rory and Beth are they are.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
We are super tight. If you've ever seen the photo
he was one hundred yards from me. Were that close?

Speaker 4 (42:09):
That's the best best song of the day playlist on Spotify?
You can go see Oh.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, if you if you go to my Spotify playlist
that Steve created, it's that picture of me pointing at
Rory mackelroy.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Now here's an interesting notion. And I'm curious as to
whether both of you would feel this way about any
interview that you've ever done. I would say, jim Nantz,
would I like to interview jim Nantz again?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yes, but no, because you don't want to mess up
that experience.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, And I think he would be as gracious the
second time around, and third and fourth and fifth because
the fact that you sort of reinforce it. Steve Look,
I talked to the guy for thirty minutes, and it
was basically me telling him, Okay, we got to go.
I mean, that's how it was. And so you don't
experience something that with somebody that that's genuine. You can't
fake that. So I would expect probably anybody else, unless

(42:53):
he just had a terrible day or something, probably got
the same thing that I got. But it's because that's
his character and is integrity. But there are a handful
of interviews like Dale Murphy. I don't want it. Like
they told me. Dale Murphy was in town this most
recent night season and we were gonna get him on
the show and something fell through. And I don't know

(43:14):
if anybody could detect it at the time. You know,
Zoki probably would have noticed, but it fell through, and
I really wasn't that upset about it. And somebody who
doesn't know me very well would say, well, it's like
his sports idole. He bet he was crushed by that,
And I wasn't crushed because in twenty fourteen we did it,
and I'm thinking to myself, it can't be any better
than that, Like, I just want that one to live
where it lives. And it's the same thing with Jim Nants,

(43:36):
and I could probably name other ones too. When you
think about interviews that went well, and sometimes it's not
necessarily just the person and their stature. Sometimes you get
somebody on and you want to execute the interview well,
you want it to go well. But they're a handful
of those over the years where I don't want to
do it again because I feel like, let's let the
one you did live there.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
It's not gonna get any better.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
If someone's going to go back and listen to my
interview with Jim Mance, I wanted to be that one.
You know, well, I.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Get that, and I think can I ask also to
both of you, like there's also the aspect of the
interview because you're on mike or on camera, and those people,
those individuals know that they are on mic or on camera.
And then also when you're not actually interviewing, when you're
either pre interview or post interview, or you just happen
to be, let's say again at an event with somebody.

(44:26):
We talked about this on the air, for example, Bo, However,
many weeks or months ago, it was that I've had
a couple of different experiences with Bill Murray. And all
of my experiences with Bill Murray have been great. He's
been super nice. He's remembered me, you know, from one
year to the next. When again, again this goes back
to the Warld Golf Hall of Fame and the Caddyshack
restaurant is all right there in Saint Augustine, that I

(44:48):
would see him and his brothers, and you know, I'm
in my my polo shirt that has my name tag
and my my logo on it, so like you know
that I'm not just some random fan. But also you're
not in front of a camera or on a microphone.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Nobody's you know.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Tracking this, And and I guess, yes, we do live
in the world of social media where if I had
a bad experience, I could, you know, I could tweet
about him being a terrible person or whatever. But it's
it's the way that you're treated just kind of behind
the scenes. Like I said, even with with like Phil
Micholson and his wife, they didn't know me from Adam.
I mean, they were driven up to a hotel. I

(45:24):
met them at their car and was like, you know, hi,
mister michleson missus Michelson and both of immediately were like no, no, no, no, no,
you didn't know what's your name? Oh Steviyah, I'm Phil
And this is like it was. It was not one
of those like we're not those people, and it was
behind the scenes. It wasn't performative, like they were just
genuinely being nice people. And I think jim Nantz for

(45:45):
me anyway, was the same way. And I always feel
like that's kind of the thing, like that's thet Yeah,
it's great that when we're on micro on camera that
you're a nice person and you play and we have
fun and oh that interview went really well. But as
soon as the cameras are off or as soon as
the MIC's are off, that person changes. And I have
encountered those celebrities as well, and you're like, wow, that's

(46:09):
such a disappointment because here we were thirty seconds ago,
we were having a good time, and it turns out
you are not a nice person. So I'm curious if
you guys have also not Obviously we don't have to
name names, but I am curious if you have also
had those experiences, because I've had a bunch of those
over the years.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Here's my humbo brag moment.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Of celebrities that I happen to have met, you know,
through somebody or because of something, or i'm you know,
backstage at a show and there's somebody else, you know.
I had an experience with a couple of rappers years ago,
whose names I will not when I was like, Wow,
these this might have been one of the coolest nights
of my life and nobody will ever know it. No,
we didn't take pictures, we didn't you know, record anything,

(46:50):
but like, what a good time and how cool were
those guys.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I think that hanging out with rappers and the experience a.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Lot of rappers, I think my experience is probably different
than a lot than a lot of even broadcasters, because
my career started behind the scenes in Hollywood. So I
was working day in, day out with these really famous
actors and I was seeing them kind of in their

(47:22):
natural habitat you know, like off camera, eating at craft
service and parties and after parties and things like that,
and just spending time with them. And I will, I
will one hundred percent say, having worked at the West
Wing for the years that I did, Martin Sheen, Oh
just a lovely, lovely man, extremely intense Catholic faith, just

(47:47):
just a lovely human being. Alice and Janny is everything
that you would hope she would be loved her. She's funny,
she's smart. I mean, she would like we would just
go get drinks after the show sometimes lived near me two.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
In particular because so many people watch that show and
they watched him as president and watched her CJ.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Craig.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Were they their characters when they were with you? And
I don't mean where they like end character. What I
mean is is their normal demeanor, Like you would hope
that President Bartlett, you know, Martin Sheen. I'm hoping that
if I sit down and have lunch with Martin Sheen,
he's like President Bartlett.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Well, he is just as like as far as you know.
President Bartlett was famous for his kind of integrity and
for his trying to he wanted the world to be
better than it was. Martin Sheen definitely has that part
of his He's just in his soul. He's that Alison.
Janny is just funny. She is funny and witty and

(48:41):
kind and smart as a whip and playful, and I
mean she she had the intelligence that her character CJ.
Craig has had I mean, she has that, but she's
you know, the character that she is right now on
the Diplomat that seems kind of that character seems so
foreign to me because I do know her and she's

(49:01):
so just She's just a really good lady. And Bradley
Whitford hilarious, loved to be a prankster on the set
and was just fun and a good a good man.
Deulay Hill, who played the the the President's assistant, and
you know, was later on Psyched and he was in
Bringing Denis Bringing Defunk on Broadway. He's a tap dancer,

(49:25):
an amazing tap the He's so talented and so funny
and so fun And Richard Schiff, oh my gosh, that
that played Toby loved him. They that cast of everybody,
they were all exactly who you'd hope they would be.
They were all good people, easy to work with, lovely,
like just everything you would hope that that those those

(49:48):
folks would be. Everybody was amazing. Glenn Close was on
that show. She was lovely. She played a Supreme Court
justice nominee for like three episodes. So I had these
kind of experiences that weren't ever never, They weren't ever.
I was never interviewing them. I was never somebody who
was going to put them on the air. So I
was just a lowly production assistant when I started, or
an assistant to a director, so they could have easily

(50:10):
treated me horribly.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
They could have been like, go get me coffee, you know,
go get my laundry done, or they could have ordered
me around in any way, shape or form and didn't
have to be lovely to me, and always were. They
were always lovely and fun. So for that experience, I
was really really grateful. As far as interviews, I can't
think of anybody that was ever different on the air

(50:32):
with me than they were off the air.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I don't really I'm trying to think of anybody behind
this shit.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I hug people as soon as they come in, if
they're in person, I hug them anyway. So I try
to disarm people immediately.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I mean, I've told the story about Tom Wopet. I
mean that's on the regular show. Luke Duke came in
and this was a different station, but he just had
an air about him that didn't want to be there.
Was in town for a play, and yeah, of course
we're going to talk about the play. But then when
you get your obligatory dukes of hazard question, act like

(51:04):
you're sort of.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Was it Guys and Dolls?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
It might have been.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I mean I saw him in Guys and Dolls.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I mean, how many things has he been in Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
In he was and Guys and Dolls on Broadway, So.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
That probably makes cry Masterson. So maybe again, And I
don't remember, I could go back. I got the tape somewhere,
but I'm sure I asked him about God, Like I'm
not going to have you if you're in town to
play for a play, I'm going to start with that, right.
But like, this is another thing about interviews that we
do from time to time. You know, there are those
people that are in the category of a big enough
name that you have them on, but they're there to

(51:36):
They're there to hawk something, they're there to advertise something.
You see this when when you go to like the
Super Bowl radio row all the time, anytime you go
somewhere where they're they're basically in a room so that
you can cycle people through, but they're there to talk
about a product. You know, like like like former Carolina Panthers.
Let's take Jake the loan for example, Jake the Loan

(51:56):
probably at some point in his career has gone to
a Super Bowl and he's and he goes and talks
to various radio stations, but he's there on behalf of
you know, Barbasol, and he's there to talk about and
the interviewer knows that part of the deal is you
got to talk about Barbersol for a few minutes and
then you talk about something else. There were a number
of Senators. Kay Hagan was always this way. When we

(52:18):
had us Senator kay Hagen on the show, I knew
that if kay Hagen came on, kay Hagen, as long
as I asked kay Hagen about her latest bill that
she was working on, then kay Hagan would be happy
to answer whatever questions I would have about anything else.
And it didn't matter what those were. But you sort
of you know, there's a push in a pull here. Yeah,
right so there, Like my point is is that Tom

(52:39):
wopat Star of the Dukes of Hazard, that ten out
of ten people are gonna think, Okay, it's Luke Duke.
Of course I'm going to ask you about your play
that you're in town to perform. I'll start with that.
But you know, I'm going to ask you a question
about boss hog somewhere or whatever. And when I did,
it was just this ara about, like you're really gonna
ask me about the Duke's hat. Maybe he was having
a bad day. Maybe I don't know. Maybe I would

(53:01):
have him on tomorrow and you'd love him and I
love him, but you know what, I won't because of
that experience. You don't forget stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah, it's like it's like having Shatner on the show
and not bringing up Captain Kirk at some point, right,
don't the whole thing doesn't have to be but I mean,
come on, at some point we.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Got to think, yeah, well maybe that would be one.
You know, you said you didn't ever want to have
your baseball player guy back on.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
But that's for a different reason.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
But you know, you don't want to have him back
on because you don't want to ruin the experience. So
maybe Tom Wopat is one of those people you need
to have back on because it might change your experience.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
But it was such a it was such a vibe
like you guys were talking about like vibes you get
off the air. He was the same. All the problem
was it was off the air, it was like, Oh,
I wonder how this is going to go, and then
it went on the air like, oh, it hasn't changed.
And so that's one of those ones where it's like
you kind of showed me who you were. So I
would be very, very hesitant to go down that road again.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I think that there are some politicians that it looks
like I'm I promise, I'm not scratching my bahoonia. It's
my thigh right here, I'm sitting I'm scratching my leg.
There are some politicians definitely that we've interviewed that they're

(54:15):
the same off the air that as they are on
the air, and it's not great either place. You know,
it's like and I you know, for those people, I
won't name names, but there are certainly some that we've
interviewed that you can tell that they don't like you immediately.
They whenever they meet you or whenever they get I

(54:36):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I will name two politicians. They're both long. One of
them's passed away and one of them is out of politics,
but I had interactions with them. I was doing this
was nineteen ninety nine and I was doing a Christmas
show for this station, and I had the opportunity to
interview in person both John Edwards and Jesse Hilms. And look,

(55:02):
we could do a whole podcast about Jesse Helms and
John Edwards. And there's a I mean, there's baggage with
both men. We know that, and there are all kinds
of stories. But John Edwards walked in the studio and
it was as if I was, I don't know, like

(55:23):
a smudge on the floor. I mean, it was like
he makes me sad. He came through and it was like,
all right, what am I doing? Let me do it?
Here we go and then up and gone and no pleasantries,
really know anything, just kind of like onto the next thing.
And I went to Wingate University because they have what
they call the Jesse Helms Center, and so Helms was

(55:45):
in town and I had to go to him. And
at this point in time, he was like on a
scooter and he didn't get along around very well. Not
too far away from when he died, because like I said,
this was ninety nine, so like what I think five
or six years later he passed away. Could not have
been more gracious. And there are stories about Jesse Helms.
Whether you fall in line with him politically or not.

(56:07):
There are legendary stories about his constituent service.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
And when you hear those stories and people say, well,
one of the reasons why this guy kept getting elected
despite the fact that he was a lightning rod for
controversy sometimes was that he just was fanatical whether no
matter who you were, if you lived in his district
and Carolina. Yeah, and you know, Jesse Helms goes back
further in politics. But you know, to your point, like

(56:33):
if you are once he got elected, if you are
within his domain, he would fanatically attend to you or
have his staff. And so when I sat down and
asked him for the interview, he didn't have to give
me the time of day. And he talked and talked
and talked and wanted to know about me and blah
blah blah and what are you doing? Because he had
broadcasting background. He used to work at WRAL in Raleigh

(56:56):
early in his career, and so you know, I mean,
it's in these little snapshots in time.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I've never had a chance to interview John Edwards again,
but I don't anticipate it would have been much different.
But who knows. I mean, if John wants to come
on our show, and where are you now?

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Hey, yeah, where are you now? We'll we'll take you,
We'll have you on. I had a I told you
about my experience with Jesse Holmes. When I was in
third grade. I won an award and I was in
DC to accept the award as a third grader, and
he invited me to the Capitol building and took me
on a private tour. We went in the little cars,
the little tram that goes underneath the Capitol that you
guys didn't think was real.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
It's real.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
I believe he had lunch together and he uh, I believe.
I have pictures with him on the Capitol steps and
he called me his granddaughter. He introduced me to people
as his granddaughter. And I loved him. I mean he
was a third grader, you know, meeting a senator. I've
always been a political nerdse I thought that was the
coolest thing in the entire world. And he was. He
was just as lovely as you could imagine on that day.

(57:58):
And it's same with my mom. I mean, my mom
was with me and he was just lovely to both
of us. So you know what, if John Edwards is
out there we could give him. He could be one
of those people that you give a second chance to.
If Tom Wopat is out there us wrong guys. If
you want to come back in and be do a big,
long conversation with us, we are all. We're here for it.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
The American dream Dusty Roads. I'll never forget that interview.
I'm just thinking of a few as we go out
the door here. But I mean again, he was a
legendary wrestler, and you know he has a family that
still lives on in the wrestling world. But Dusty Roads
came on with us. He didn't normally do interviews. I

(58:38):
had a friend who was his driver because he was
in town for one of those wrestling conventions. A lot
of these coming out like hotels for a weekend and
sign autographs, and he was in town for one of those,
and I had a friend who was his driver, so
he got me kind of like a back door type
interview where I didn't have to go through.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
The back door interview. You say, wow, we just learned
something new about Dusty Roads.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Let me tell you that's a big back door no no.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
And Bo Thompson apparently.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
What I was what I'm getting at is is that
you have to go through?

Speaker 6 (59:14):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You see how large the man was?

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I was gonna say in death language, this would be
referring to his bahoony.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yes, I know where you were going, and I'm thinking
this is a large man. Okay, now wait a minute,
hang on.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
During the internet, we can't hear you because you have
your microphone up.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I don't think you realize how large. You don't even
have headphones on. How did you know you can't hear me.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Because your microphone was in your lap?

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Worry about yourself over there. Anyway, when the show's over,
I want you to look up a picture. Look up
a picture of the American Dream, Dusty Roads.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Just watch the podcast once I edited, I'm putting these
photos up, like of everybody that we've spoken about so far. Okay,
you know, and don't make sure it's the proper photo
of Dusty.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
For the picture of a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I was gonna say, Testy Rice, like, what is that
picture even gonna be? What is that picture even gonna be?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Let me go back to where I started. That's a
different what's the way I can say you didn't go
through the proper protocol?

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
You may go through the channels.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You you didn't have to a backdoor channel, back channel channel.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Leave the door part off. It's just a back channel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Let's see how going. I was gonna say, rear channel,
what are you doing? Every day? I went through, as
Steve would say, a back channel, So I didn't I
didn't have to go through the normal you know, God.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You didn't have to go through the back door bow.
That would have been an awful way to get an interview.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Can we just end this now? Going so well?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
End on Dusty Rhoads.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
He was great there, Usty was great. One of my
favorite interviews. It was it was your favorite. We really
are editing this part out anyway, Dusty Roads, look it up.
It's a good interview. That's all I have to say.
Bye later.

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