July 23, 2025 • 9 mins
Tune in here to this Wednesday's edition of the Brett Winterble Show!
We're joined by Coach Matt Doherty from Doherty Coaching to talk about fairness in athletics and new developments in the intelligence community. Brett and Coach catch up after summer travels, sharing stories from Spain before turning to more serious news. They react to the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee’s decision, influenced by a Trump-era executive order, to restrict transgender athletes to compete based on biological sex—a move both view as a return to fairness in competitive sports. Coach Doherty draws from his own experience in athletics and parenting, stressing the importance of a level playing field. The conversation then shifts to Tulsi Gabbard’s recent allegations about suppressed intelligence under the Obama administration.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is my recital.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I think it's very vital.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
That's right on top of telling God see to right
to Roo run, that's right on tom It's today.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
One of my favorite people. Whenever I get a chance
to catch up with Matt Doherty, the coach, Matt Doherty,
I'm always excited. And people have been putting out the uh,
the flares and everything that nobody knew where you were,
nobody knew where I was. It's been a month of
Sundays since we got back together, and boy am I
happy we're back together coaching.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yes, we had great times. We both went to Spain
at different times. Yes, and uh it was good break.
I was with my daughter and my wife. Unfortunately my
son couldn't make it.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We had Barcelona, Pamplona, Madrid, saw the running with the bulls.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We chose not to run with the bulls, right. I
would go up to some people and I'd say uh.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
In my best Spanish, which was basically, may I'm a
mateo vama cela plaia, And then I would say I
know the most famous bull in the world, and they'd
look at me very puzzled, and then I take out
a picture of Michael Jordan, and they say, oh, now, Johan, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, yes, that's a great trick.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
The most famous bull in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Right, that's right, that's awesome. See and I ran with
that book. Yes you did, that's right. So you don't
even have to do that. You don't have to actually
go run with some.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Time. See this is and didn't get al Gord.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Al gord exactly right. Okay, So, speaking of athletics, one
of the things that came down the pipeline in the
last couple of days day or so is the decision
by the Olympic Committee to have males take on males
and females take on feels, what's going on with this here?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Coach whoa whoa whoa? Really well, that sounds too pragmatic
logical for an entity in the United States to take
on what is happening here?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Due to President Trump's executive order, the US Olympic and
Paralympic Committee is barring transgender athletes from competing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And what a concepts?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, like, you know, at first, and you know, we
talked about this on the radio how many years ago,
I felt like, okay, there's one maybe you know a
guy who is identifying as a female let on compete.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And I remember talking to my daughter and she's like.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
No, no, no, that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And I'm like.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And my daughter is a conservative Christian and she's like, oh, yeah, okay,
I'll get it. And then I'm thinking, you know, if
my daughter, who swim in high school and wrote in college,
was competing against a biological male and my daughter who
worked the tail off would lose because you know, males
are bigger and stronger, right, and generally faster, she would lose.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
How is that fair? Right? So I applaud one President
Trump because.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I'd like to think that this would have occurred without
the executive order, but.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I doubt Yeah, you have to do that otherwise you're
going to have and there's going to be I promise
you there's going to be people trying to short circuit
the system and all that too. I mean, this is
this is the shame of the beauty of what has
to happen because you've got these wise guys and wise
(04:00):
girls who want to try to play these games, and
you know, the fact of the matter is they try
to turn this into you know, a Jesse Owens thing
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This is about fairness, fundamental fairness for people competing and
the number of things. Look, I could see you, coach,
I could see you getting in a ferrari and lining
up at the Tour de France and saying, listen, I'm
just gonna I'm just going. I'm just gonna take the
ferrari around and I win. I did it in twenty minutes.
I'm done, thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, goodbye, goodbye craziness.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, no, it's it's it is about fairness and competition.
And you know the mix between sports and politics.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know, sometimes you'd like to separate the two. I
think most of us would because we go to sports
help us to entertain us.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, And I know when the Black Lives Matter issue
hit the NBA, a lot of people were people were
turned off because they were fatigued by it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Like you see it in the news and you.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Go turn on the TV to watch the NBA and
you see people taking the knee and wearing Black Lives
Matter T shirts and and and a lot of fans like,
I'm exhausted, I'm turning this off.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I'm gonna go watch Netflix.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That I mean that there is that effect without without
any doubt at all. What do you what are you
making of this? This Obama? Uh and the intelligence community.
I mean, you and I both saw what was going
on very clearly back in twenty twenty, and they had
the signature of the of the intelligence community saying, oh no, no, no,
(05:54):
everything's totally above board. This is this thing going to
actually give us clarity? Uh with the with with d N,
I gabbered, you know, putting this stuff out. What are
you thinking about this, coach?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think it's great. I think it's great.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
We all want transparency, and I know that's some of
the frustration with the Epstein files. I do think that
there's good reason not to withhold the Epstein I mean
to withtold the Epstein files right now, because you can
really damage some.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
People that may not have been involved.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
You know a lot of us have taken pictures with
people that did bad things and you didn't realize it
at the.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Time, or you didn't participate.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But just because you took a picture, you know, so
there is guilt bay association.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
But you know, there are probably people that you know,
you can really ruin a life, and you want to
make sure you're you're you're really have proof you know,
just if someone was on a list doesn't mean they
participated in certain things, right, So right, I think you
want to be sure. The thing with Obama, and I
(07:06):
do think that Trump administration has handled that because they
promoted it so much and then now they have to backpedal.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
The Obama thing is.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You you know, I'm good at patting us on the back,
but we talked about this years ago and.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Felt that this was what was going on and that
he had the hand in it. And then you know,
he's pulling a lot of strings and he is like
to have flown down.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
He is good and deflecting, and he's smooth and slick,
and but I think he had bad intentions and really
tried to damage.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That Trump before the election. But once he won, they
were like, oh my gosh, this guy won exactly, we
can't have this, Like they didn't think that could happen.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Right, Well, that's why they tried to put him in
jail after after he didn't win the election, and they
you know, had him, you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Know, every which way.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But but but free, you know, in that regard this,
I I do see a very eerie parallel coming coming
this way. That's all I can say. It's just it
feels like something else is going to happen with an
attempt to try to thwart the final uh years of
(08:27):
President Trump at this at this stage of the game. So, coach,
where do people go to get coached by you with
all all your great knowledge, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, thank you, I'm an executive coach keynote speaker. They
can go to Darty Coaching dot com.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
That's d O H d R t Y Coaching dot
com or email me at match at Darty Coaching dot com.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Great stuff, coach. I really appreciate you spending time with
the audience here and uh I love talking to you
and look forward to uh talking to you again next week.
Thank thanks so much for being here. My friend Mama
Sola player Ah, yes, I know a bull Mama Winter
Bowl
This is my recital.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I think it's very vital.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
That's right on top of telling God see to right
to Roo run, that's right on tom It's today.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
One of my favorite people. Whenever I get a chance
to catch up with Matt Doherty, the coach, Matt Doherty,
I'm always excited. And people have been putting out the uh,
the flares and everything that nobody knew where you were,
nobody knew where I was. It's been a month of
Sundays since we got back together, and boy am I
happy we're back together coaching.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yes, we had great times. We both went to Spain
at different times. Yes, and uh it was good break.
I was with my daughter and my wife. Unfortunately my
son couldn't make it.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We had Barcelona, Pamplona, Madrid, saw the running with the bulls.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
We chose not to run with the bulls, right. I
would go up to some people and I'd say uh.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
In my best Spanish, which was basically, may I'm a
mateo vama cela plaia, And then I would say I
know the most famous bull in the world, and they'd
look at me very puzzled, and then I take out
a picture of Michael Jordan, and they say, oh, now, Johan, yes.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, yes, that's a great trick.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
The most famous bull in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Right, that's right, that's awesome. See and I ran with
that book. Yes you did, that's right. So you don't
even have to do that. You don't have to actually
go run with some.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Time. See this is and didn't get al Gord.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Al gord exactly right. Okay, So, speaking of athletics, one
of the things that came down the pipeline in the
last couple of days day or so is the decision
by the Olympic Committee to have males take on males
and females take on feels, what's going on with this here?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Coach whoa whoa whoa? Really well, that sounds too pragmatic
logical for an entity in the United States to take
on what is happening here?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Due to President Trump's executive order, the US Olympic and
Paralympic Committee is barring transgender athletes from competing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And what a concepts?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, like, you know, at first, and you know, we
talked about this on the radio how many years ago,
I felt like, okay, there's one maybe you know a
guy who is identifying as a female let on compete.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And I remember talking to my daughter and she's like.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
No, no, no, that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And I'm like.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And my daughter is a conservative Christian and she's like, oh, yeah, okay,
I'll get it. And then I'm thinking, you know, if
my daughter, who swim in high school and wrote in college,
was competing against a biological male and my daughter who
worked the tail off would lose because you know, males
are bigger and stronger, right, and generally faster, she would lose.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
How is that fair? Right? So I applaud one President
Trump because.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I'd like to think that this would have occurred without
the executive order, but.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I doubt Yeah, you have to do that otherwise you're
going to have and there's going to be I promise
you there's going to be people trying to short circuit
the system and all that too. I mean, this is
this is the shame of the beauty of what has
to happen because you've got these wise guys and wise
(04:00):
girls who want to try to play these games, and
you know, the fact of the matter is they try
to turn this into you know, a Jesse Owens thing
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This is about fairness, fundamental fairness for people competing and
the number of things. Look, I could see you, coach,
I could see you getting in a ferrari and lining
up at the Tour de France and saying, listen, I'm
just gonna I'm just going. I'm just gonna take the
ferrari around and I win. I did it in twenty minutes.
I'm done, thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, goodbye, goodbye craziness.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, no, it's it's it is about fairness and competition.
And you know the mix between sports and politics.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know, sometimes you'd like to separate the two. I
think most of us would because we go to sports
help us to entertain us.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, And I know when the Black Lives Matter issue
hit the NBA, a lot of people were people were
turned off because they were fatigued by it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Like you see it in the news and you.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Go turn on the TV to watch the NBA and
you see people taking the knee and wearing Black Lives
Matter T shirts and and and a lot of fans like,
I'm exhausted, I'm turning this off.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I'm gonna go watch Netflix.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That I mean that there is that effect without without
any doubt at all. What do you what are you
making of this? This Obama? Uh and the intelligence community.
I mean, you and I both saw what was going
on very clearly back in twenty twenty, and they had
the signature of the of the intelligence community saying, oh no, no, no,
(05:54):
everything's totally above board. This is this thing going to
actually give us clarity? Uh with the with with d N,
I gabbered, you know, putting this stuff out. What are
you thinking about this, coach?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think it's great. I think it's great.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
We all want transparency, and I know that's some of
the frustration with the Epstein files. I do think that
there's good reason not to withhold the Epstein I mean
to withtold the Epstein files right now, because you can
really damage some.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
People that may not have been involved.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
You know a lot of us have taken pictures with
people that did bad things and you didn't realize it
at the.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Time, or you didn't participate.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But just because you took a picture, you know, so
there is guilt bay association.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
But you know, there are probably people that you know,
you can really ruin a life, and you want to
make sure you're you're you're really have proof you know,
just if someone was on a list doesn't mean they
participated in certain things, right, So right, I think you
want to be sure. The thing with Obama, and I
(07:06):
do think that Trump administration has handled that because they
promoted it so much and then now they have to backpedal.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
The Obama thing is.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You you know, I'm good at patting us on the back,
but we talked about this years ago and.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Felt that this was what was going on and that
he had the hand in it. And then you know,
he's pulling a lot of strings and he is like
to have flown down.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
He is good and deflecting, and he's smooth and slick,
and but I think he had bad intentions and really
tried to damage.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That Trump before the election. But once he won, they
were like, oh my gosh, this guy won exactly, we
can't have this, Like they didn't think that could happen.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Right, Well, that's why they tried to put him in
jail after after he didn't win the election, and they
you know, had him, you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Know, every which way.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But but but free, you know, in that regard this,
I I do see a very eerie parallel coming coming
this way. That's all I can say. It's just it
feels like something else is going to happen with an
attempt to try to thwart the final uh years of
(08:27):
President Trump at this at this stage of the game. So, coach,
where do people go to get coached by you with
all all your great knowledge, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, thank you, I'm an executive coach keynote speaker. They
can go to Darty Coaching dot com.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
That's d O H d R t Y Coaching dot
com or email me at match at Darty Coaching dot com.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Great stuff, coach. I really appreciate you spending time with
the audience here and uh I love talking to you
and look forward to uh talking to you again next week.
Thank thanks so much for being here. My friend Mama
Sola player Ah, yes, I know a bull Mama Winter
Bowl
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