Pete Kaliner Filling In On The Brett Winterble Show

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With Brett out today, Pete Kaliner fills in by kicking off the program by talking about the recent fatal stabbing on a Charlotte Lynx light rail train and the troubling criminal history of the suspect. Kaliner breaks down the case involving 34-year-old Dick Carlos Brown, who is accused of murdering 23-year-old Irina Zarutska, a Ukrainian refugee who fled her war-torn country in 2022. Brown has a long rap sheet spanning nearly two decades, with prior convictions and multiple recent arrests. Kaliner criticizes the justice system for allowing Brown to remain free despite clear signs of mental instability. He also notes the lack of response from city officials, especially in light of their push for a sales tax increase to fund more transit projects. Kaliner argues the city's focus should be on public safety first, highlighting a failure in leadership and priorities.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Uh oh, sounds like somebody's got a case of the munders.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, it's me. What's going on, Pete Calender here the
old switcheroo we have pulled. Do not adjust your clocks.
It is three o'clock. Normally Brett Winnable would start talking
at this point, but Brett is not here today, and
uh so I'm filling in for him, which then left
an opening from noon to three, and then Nick Craig

(00:46):
filled in for me noon to three. So that's why
I'm here. The phone number is still the same, seven
oh four five seven zero eleven ten. That's also the
WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC, and that's
how I say it because it's a powerful brand. And
also the Twitter handle is at Pete Calendar and that's

(01:06):
k A L I N E R. Alrighty, So I'm
going to start with some crime stories. I don't know.
I don't know if there's been any updates on this
story yet. I went looking just before I opened the
mic up, just to be you know, clear, if there

(01:26):
was any new developments. I don't see any new developments
in this story that began Friday evening. Here is the
w CNC report a suspect was arrested following a stabbing
on a Charlotte Links light rail train late Friday evening

(01:50):
that left a person dead. So this occurred sometime around
ten or ten thirty, apparently on the train on light
rail car. It was near the station along Camden Road,
which is where West Boulevard East Boulevard connect there in Southend,

(02:13):
or Millennial Row as it's sometimes referred to because there's
so many Millennials living down there in the South End.
The woman who was killed is a twenty three year
old named Irina Zarutska, and according to and I Saw,
I just found this and I cannot confirm the veracity

(02:34):
of this, but this is from Charlotte Alert sorry, Charlotte
alertsnews dot com, and they have identified her as a Ukrainian.
She fled the country in twenty twenty two to escape

(02:54):
the war in Ukraine, and she had been living in Charlotte,
according to this report, with assistance from the US government.
So I'm assuming it's some sort of like a refugee
program of some kind. I found what appears to be
her LinkedIn page, and apparently she worked at Subway for

(03:17):
a while. She was murdered allegedly by a thirty four
year old named Dick Carlos Brown. Now you may want
to sit down before I give you this next piece
of information because it's truly going to be shocking. The
guy's got a rap sheet a mile long. He's fourteen

(03:42):
previous court cases in Mecklenburg County. He was sentenced to
six years in prison after convictions for robbery with a
dangerous weapon, breaking and entering, and larceny in twenty fifteen.
The convictions were for two sets for incidents in twenty

(04:02):
thirteen and twenty fourteen, but he was convicted in twenty fifteen.
He was released in September of twenty twenty. He was
then arrested again in September twenty twenty two for assault
on a female, but no court records are available for
that case. According to WCNC, it's a report by Matthew Ablon.

(04:24):
Brown was then arrested again in January twenty twenty five
for misuse of the nine to one to one system.
I'll give you details on that. This is from the
mech Berbia by Cedar Posts. He's a local blogger guy

(04:44):
and I've read his blog for years. This is called
mech Berbia, and he puts up the you know, the
CMPD announcement, their statement in all of this, and he
goes through he tracks this guy's history. Brown has a
nearly twenty year history of arrests. Most were dismissed by
the Mecklenburg County District Attorney's Office. He has prior convictions

(05:07):
for felony B and E, theft in excess of one
thousand dollars, and robbery with a dangerous weapon. He has
spent nearly nine years of his life behind bars, which
is about a quarter of his life. And now, unless
the something terrible goes wrong with the prosecution here, he
should spend the rest of his life in jail. He

(05:30):
was most recently released from prison on September twentieth, twenty twenty,
with the follow on period of parole that ended September twentieth,
twenty twenty one, so he had one year of parole.
He was then arrested in twenty twenty two, and then
arrested two more times last year and one more time
in January. And from that January nineteenth report, he apparently

(05:57):
officers respond to novont Presbytery Hospital in reference to Achech
welfare check check up on this guy. Once on the scene,
officer spoke with the defendant to Carlos Brown, who advised
that he believed somebody gave him a man made material
that controlled when he ate, walked, talked, et cetera. Brown

(06:20):
wanted the officers to investigate this man made material that
was inside of his body. Officers advised him that the
issue was medical and that there was nothing that they
could do because they are not doctors. Brown became upset
with the officers answers, and with them still on the scene,
he proceeds to call nine one one to speak with police,

(06:44):
and that's what got him the charge for misuse of
nine one one. Just last month, the assistant public defender
Brianna Buford filed a motion in court questioning the defendant's
capacity to proceed so he's crazy. Judge Roy Wiggins signed

(07:09):
the order for a forensic evaluation on July twenty eighth,
so a month ago. Buford was clearly aware that her
client was mentally incapacitated cedar posts rights, yet he was
allowed to remain free and in the public realm. This
left him as a threat to others as well as
himself and within the month he murdered a twenty three

(07:33):
year old woman, Ariana Zarutzka. There's also some reports that
others may have been injured too. I've seen some conflicting
reports that there was somebody else nearby that had a
medical emergency, but that was unrelated. Then I saw a
report that two or three other people may have also

(07:53):
been stabbed on this train car. The suspect was also
stabbed at some point. Maybe somebody got the knife from
him and stabbed him. I don't know. He had injuries,
so they took him to the hospital, but he will be,
you know, placed under arrest after he heals. I have

(08:16):
not seen so far any kind of comment from any
of the elected officials here. You had a Ukrainian war refugee,
twenty three year old woman murdered on your train, your
light rail line. Meanwhile, you're you're ginning up a big

(08:37):
campaign to get us all to vote yes for your
your sales tax increase to fund more trains. You guys
are losing You're taking your eye off the ball. You're
losing sight of your primary mission, which is the security
of the city. And there's the story about the Carolina

(08:59):
Sporting arm B and E that's Johnny Cash all right.
News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT Pete Calender
in for Brett Winterbowl. Do not fear he shall return tomorrow. So,

(09:23):
a man who drove a stolen car into a Charlotte
gun shop before stealing twenty firearms is heading to federal prison,
but he won't be there for long, and the store
owner is not happy about the sentence. The piece over
at WSOCTV by Evan Donovan. This is about the smashing

(09:47):
or the I guess it would be the ram and
grab at Carolina Sporting Arms on South Boulevard. Mike Simpson,
the owner, told wa SOCTV. It's disappointing. It doesn't make sense.
They're a menace to society. I'm getting tired of it.
I don't know why people aren't held accountable for their actions.

(10:10):
You and me both like you and me both. Why
are we letting criminals back out on the street, he says.
The Department of Justice announced that Reginald Moses has been
sentenced to just over two years in federal prison after
pleading guilty to theft of a firearm from a licensed dealer,
as well as aiding and a betting he only got

(10:32):
twenty seven months, Simpson said, federal time for stealing twenty guns,
stole a car, broke in. That doesn't seem like a
very big repercussion. Twenty seven months. They stole eighteen handguns,
a shotgun, and a rifle grand total worth about fourteen
thousand dollars. About half of the firearms were later recovered,

(10:57):
but the others are out on the street. Nice really
sending a message there. Another woman involved was federally charged
and she was sentenced to the time she had already served.
And so now she's on probation. So let's go back
to the scene of the crime. This is from wsoc's report.

(11:23):
Back in February of twenty twenty four, two men were
arrested for breaking into a South Charlotte gunshop and taking
off with twenty firearms. They were once tied to a
homicide in twenty twenty three Corey Meadows and Reginald Moses,
where two of five suspects arrested after officers say someone

(11:46):
drove a stolen car into the door of Carolina Sporting
Arms on South Boulevard. This occurred February twentieth. Court records
obtained by Channel nine confirmed Both Moses and Meadows were
once charged with the murder and attempted robbery of Savion Lockhart,
a seventeen year old who was murdered in twenty twenty three.

(12:09):
The Mecklimber County DA's office dismissed the charges against Moses
and Meadows, citing insufficient evidence. In the prosecutor's voluntary dismissal motion,
he gave a narrative of what allegedly took place, describing
a shootout in twenty twenty three in which Lockhart died. However,
with no overwhelming evidence, the prosecutor noted, quote, the available

(12:32):
evidence does not indicate which individuals were entitled to self
defense and which individuals were not, and the state cannot
disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. And then a
year later they steal eighteen handguns, two long guns and

(12:57):
just put them out onto the street. And for that,
at least he's going to prison for some period of time.
It's only twenty seven months, but at least they got
him for something, I guess. Also, in just a week,
Charlotte Mecklenburg police officers drew warrens for ninety eight people

(13:18):
on criminal charges related to another rash of Charlotte Street takeovers. Yeah.
They titled their post on social media Twitter, formerly known
as x Street Takeovers three the sequel nobody asked for.
That's what they do. That's what the c MPD account

(13:39):
called it. And they refer to three recent series of
charges in connection with clusters of drivers blocking roads. They say,
here we go again, because apparently some folks still think
turning intersections into race tracks is a good idea. We
are here to remind you it's not still illegal, still dangerous,
still getting shut down. Takeovers typically involve people blocking traffic

(14:02):
at an intersection while cars do the burnouts, and all
the kids yell and cheer, and everybody has their phone
out recording all of the all of the you know,
the burnouts where you just like peel your tires and
create all of the smoke, and people inhale the toxic
fumes and such. It's it's a really well thought out
event for the kids that engage in this behavior. And so,

(14:25):
I don't know if you've ever seen one of these things,
or the remnants of it I've had. I've had the
pleasure of witnessing about three or four of them, and
they are hooligan. It's hooligan behavior, right, That's that's what
it is. It's it's on par with the when they
call them the wheelie boys or whatever. The guys on

(14:46):
the bikes all sorts of bikes like bicycles, but also
like the motorized bikes and whatever unicycles probably, and they
weave through traffic and such around uptown Charlotte. They they
ride at your car like play chicken with you and
swerve away and they kick your cars and stuff. Yeah, yeah,
this this is now acceptable as a norm in Charlotte. Apparently.

(15:13):
Kudos to CMPD for cracking down on the and they're
I'm assuming they're using the new laws that the legislature
has armed them with to you know, take the vehicles
from these people that are engaged in this kind of behavior.
It's criminal activity. So I say more of it. And
if you can pop them on some other like gun charges,

(15:35):
too fantastic. This is all a choice. We will continue
to see these kinds of problems in Charlotte as long
as we continue putting the same people in charge, speaking
of which the Charlotte Observer has its endorsements for the

(15:55):
City Council, you will be super surprised. There's talk eleven
ten ninety nine to three WBT. The phone number is
seven O four five seven zero eleven ten. You would

(16:16):
like to chat, that's the number you dial if you
would prefer to text same number. The WBT text line
driven by Liberty Buick GMC. I was told I'm supposed
to say it like I'm singing TNT by ac DC.
I'm not gonna sing GMC. You don't want me to

(16:36):
sing games, although I did win a pair of karaoke
contests in the past. But anyway, from the text line,
Aaron says, what I was thinking this morning when I
heard about everything and multiplying everything that's been happening, why
should Matthews even consider the one percent tax? If the
city is run by Democrats and they don't care, and

(16:58):
they tried to say everything is okay, and it's really not. Yeah,
like this is you've You've got a young girl twenty
three years old murdered on the train. I don't blame
the train. I don't blame the system, the mass transit system.

(17:20):
I blame the officials that are not prioritizing effective crime fighting.
They just do not. And this is a problem in
every city run by Democrats. They have a different philosophy
when it comes to fighting crime, namely that they don't

(17:43):
choose to do so. They're much more tolerant of criminals
praying on the vulnerable populations. A tweet or a message
rather uh from Mamma Tudid who says on Twitter, heartbreaking

(18:03):
to hear that this young girl leaves the Ukraine to
escape the war, to come to America and then gets
killed here in Charlotte. It's just awful. I wonder if
the guy who stabbed her paid for his light rail ticket.
I'm gonna I'm gonna guess no, I'm gonna guess he's
a fair jumper, right, that would be my bet. Back

(18:25):
at the text line, the root cause of this is
from Kevin. The root cause of the murder of the
Ukraine woman and the street takeovers by young ones, mostly boys,
all have something in common. They all have a d
d all different daddies that have little or nothing to
do with their progeny. The root cause of most crime

(18:48):
is the breakdown of the traditional family unit. Well that's
what the data says, right. If have you come from
a single mother home as a male, you are more
likely to end up, you know, in prison, than if
you're coming from a too parent household, and that is

(19:10):
that is something that people can change. You don't need
a government program, you don't need more funding for something
for this. This is just a cultural norm. So we
keep getting these same people elected to the same offices,
even when we've got all sorts of swirl around them,

(19:32):
even when we know the things they are doing don't
seem to be helping or working. And I note like
when I first started at WBT as a reporter, and
I covered the city Council and the County Commission, and
back then they were actually majority Republican bodies, and then
they lost the Republican majority went Democrat, but it was

(19:53):
still kind of close. And then you know, I went
on time out eight years up in the Ma Mountains
in Asheville, and I come back and now county commissions
completely controlled by Democrats, and the city Council has just
two Republicans from districts, and they tried to draw one

(20:15):
of them out of the district when they did their
redistricting in twenty twenty. So there's not a lot of
representation going on from Republicans to to help direct the
course of the city or the county here, and I
feel like that's a bad thing because it seems like

(20:37):
things are getting worse because you don't have any kind
of a corrective at the county or the city level.
So with that in mind, the Charlotte Observer editorial board
came out with their endorsements because we all need to
know who the Charlotte Observer editors would prefer to govern us.

(21:00):
So the past two years have been challenging and troubling
for Charlotte leaders. They say, there's the six hundred and
fifty million dollars in public dollars that were spent on
renovations for Bank of America Stadium, a deal that won
National Group called the worst economic development deal in the
country in twenty twenty four. I was not aware of that.
Give it up, Good job, Charlotte. That's awesome. Yeah, okay.

(21:24):
Then there's the three hundred five thousand dollars in the
separation agreement with the soon to be retiring police chief
Johnny Jennings, who threatened a lawsuit, never actually filed a lawsuit,
but claimed he was maligned and defamed because nobody had
heard the text messages that he was getting from the

(21:46):
Charlotte City Councilman Tark Bacari, who's now working up at
the Trump administration. But whatever, so just the mere threat
of a lawsuit that gets you the payout. So there
was that. There's also the massive transit plan and corresponding
sales tax referendum. At the heart of each of these
issues lies the same problem, the editorial Board says, a
startling lack of transparency that poisons the council's decision making

(22:11):
and fractures the trust leaders have with each other and
the public. And what's become increasingly clear is that something
needs to change. Voters may have been largely excluded from
those discussions, but they have an opportunity to make their
voices heard now. And so our recommendations in the race

(22:32):
for mayor is to leave the mayor there. She should
get yeah, she should keep her job. And for the
at large races, the four at large city Council's seats,
they also recommend we keep all of the same incumbents
there too, So there you go. There's that's their endorsement that.
But stuff needs to change, okay, and we hope that

(22:54):
now these five will change. They'll they'll do they'll do
better if we just send them back into their seats
that they're currently in right now that you say need
to change. So I am struggling to find the logic here.
I don't know. It's like you wrote the intro to
this editorial and then you like completely forgot that you

(23:18):
wrote this intro, and then you made your endorsements. Maybe
two different people worked on it, and we all thought like, oh,
we thought we were going to go with like an
insurgent slate or something. But no, no, Now they recommend
Viylyiles return to office, and they recommend them Bela Jamia,
and they recommend James Smudgie Mitchell and Lawana Slack Mayfield

(23:39):
and Victoria Wattlington six other challengers out there. But no, no,
leave the four at large members. By the way, they
also did a story the other day, sorry today, looking
at council absences, and yeah, the ones that they they

(24:00):
are recommending. Three of the four at large and four
of the five total that they just told us to
vote for. They have the worst attendance records. They don't
show up to the meetings well, I mean they show
up to like two thirds. The worst offender is James
Smudgie Mitchell and he he has attended sixty seven percent

(24:24):
of the meetings so far. I don't know if I'm
I don't know if I like this, because on the
one hand, then not showing up means maybe they're not
breaking stuff, you know. But then again, it's like, we're
paying you to do these jobs, so I feel like
you should probably show up.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
That sounds like a.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Pretty good show. I should check that out. News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT Pete Calener here for Brett winterbal.
He shall return it tomorrow and I I shall return
it to my normal noon to three slot. So the
Charlotte Observer went through and crunched the numbers. They went
through what was it, seventy nine business meetings, zoning meetings,

(25:12):
special meetings, strategy and budget meetings during the current term
which began for the Charlotte City Council in December of
twenty twenty three. They ran through the meeting minutes, they
ran through the video recordings, and what they found was
that there have been only three meetings this term, three

(25:33):
out of the seventy nine, when all eleven council members
and the mayor were present and on time. Three at
a seventy nine. Now that does not These the numbers
I'm gonna give you here do not reflect late arrivals

(25:54):
or early departures, okay, because some of the council members
show up late habitually and some leave early on the regular.
But this is just attendance, Okay. The most attending. The
one who attends the most meetings is Marjorie Molina District five, rep.

(26:15):
At ninety seven percent. Good for her. Ed Driggs one
of the only Republicans. District seven, he's at ninety four
point ninety four percent, So i'll give you the ninety five.
I'm just going to round these numbers to the nearest
whole number. So he's at ninety five percent. Lawana Mayfield
at ninety four percent, so she does show up. Tarc Bacari,

(26:38):
but he's now no longer there. He was at ninety percent.
Dante Anderson, she's at ninety percent. Malcolm Graham he's at
eighty nine percent, Renee Johnson at eighty seven percent, Tiyawana
Brown when she's not being federally indicted, she's at eighty
six percent. And then you get down to the mayor
at eighty two percent of the time, she's there, Dimple

(26:59):
edged Era eighty one percent, Victoria Watlington seventy eight percent,
and James Smudgie Mitchell at sixty seven percent. So basically,
one out of three meetings he's not there. Attendance habits
are no secret among council members, the Observer reports. In
a July twenty ninth email addressed to the Mayor and

(27:20):
sent to the full council, Councilman Malcolm Graham voiced concern
over frequent delays that pushed meetings pasted their scheduled start
times because not enough members were present. Meetings cannot begin
without a majority. I was wondering this. I did not
realize that this is what was going on because I

(27:40):
will on Monday nights, I usually turn on the gov
Code channel, and I watched the meetings because that you know,
it's I like to do. No, I don't, but I
watch it so you don't have to, because I'm a giver. Okay,
So I watched the meetings so you don't have to.
And if anything happens then I can tell you what occurred.
And like they're supposed to start at like five o'clock

(28:01):
and they never start on time. This now explains it
everybody's showing up late. The council members are showing up
late to the point where they don't have even a
majority to start the meetings. Members also leave early, which
Graham said can can leave less than half of council
present by the time that the meetings adjourn. Even when

(28:23):
topics that members personally advance, like the vote for an
outside attorney, they don't show up, he said. Members of
the public, the media and staff consistently arrive on time
and it reflects poorly on the council when we do not.
That is true. It does reflect poorly on you, Council members,

(28:43):
Mitchell has maintained. Smudgee has maintained the worst attendance record,
dating all the way back to twenty fifteen. He resigned
part way through his term in twenty twenty one, but
then he was back to campaigning by the next year.
Mitchell attributes his uptick in absences to doctors' orders. He
had procedures in March and April that kept him away
for an extended period of time. If those two months

(29:04):
are omitted from the calculations, he would still be absent
about thirty percent of the time. Though, so it's i
don't know if that's that's really the reason. Mitchell said
his attendant has never been an issue with his constituents,
who have consistently re elected him. He says the results
outweigh the meetings, see he gets stuff done. Graham highlighted

(29:26):
the mayor's participation has been limited and her absence felt
during zoning meetings. She has attended less than half of
the zoning meetings, and what Lyles says is that she's
delegating the zoning stuff to Dante Anderson, the Mayor pro temp,
so she can gain experience facilitating the meetings. So she

(29:48):
I was wondering why this occurs too. This explains it.
I did not know this either. Apparently the mayor's checked
out on the zoning meetings, which I don't know. I
kind of feel like rezonings are a pretty big deal.
The development of the city of Charlotte feels like it's
a big deal. Mayor probably should have some role in that.
I don't. Yeah, I don't know. What do I know.

(30:10):
I'm just a little old radio host, although I have
been watching city council meetings for twenty plus years. All right,

(30:35):
our Numero dos Underway News Talk eleven ten ninety nine
three WBT Pete Callner here in for Brett Winterbal He
shall return tomorrow. And then I moved back to my
regular noon to three slot where you can hear me
each weekday. So I'm sure Brett talked about this. I
think I heard him talk about this the other day.

(30:56):
The what's his name Hargender scene the truck driver down
in Florida who had a CDL license to drive a
big rig, got it from California, got one from Washington State.
Doesn't really speak any English, can't tell you what road

(31:17):
sids look like or what they mean. And he was
on the Interstate down in Florida and decided to use
one of the turn the U turn lanes, like you know,
the for official use only that you know, emergency vehicles
are supposed to use. And he decided to just hang
a U turn using that lane to turn around, and

(31:40):
in doing so, he turns the you know, he turns
the rig and now he's blocking all of the interstate
lanes because the trailer when you turn like that, right,
it's now perpendicular to the flow of traffic. And a
van comes zooming down the highway and plows right into it.

(32:01):
Because you don't expect a truck to do that. That's
why it's illegal. And it killed all three people in
the van, and they took him back to Florida. He's
been charged with believe it's reckless or negligent homicide or something.

(32:22):
There's a development though in this story that is disgusting,
which is there is now a petition that has been
launched on his behalf, a petition asking the governor of Florida,
Ron DeSantis, to be lenient on him, like to show

(32:46):
mercy and why. First off, DeSantis is not going to
do that. Number one right, but number two, like, why
would you even do this? Why would you sign it,
let alone rack up nearly three million signatures for this guy?

(33:07):
What are you doing? Everything about this case, writes David
strom Over at hot air dot com. Everything about this
case is infuriating. Hargender seeing should never have been in
America in the first place. He's an illegal alien. Number two,
he should never have been issued a commercial driver's license,

(33:28):
but he got two of them from two different states.
He should never have been hired by any company to drive,
yet he was. All the people who made this happen
are going to get off scott free though not seeing
that guy, he's probably going to jail to prison right

(33:49):
as he should. But the people who allowed this to happen,
that enabled him, right, the people who set the policies
that sing utilized to get into the country, Those who
tested his English proficiency found it wanting and then gave
him a CDL anyway, and the companies that have hired
him over the last what seven years I think he's

(34:12):
been in the country. He failed an English language proficiency assessment.
He could only provide correct responses to two out of
twelve verbal questions. He doesn't speak the language, and he
could only identify correctly one of the four highway traffic signs.

(34:36):
Singh has lived in the US for seven years. He
hasn't learned the language, and he hasn't had to, right,
that's the problem. He hasn't had to even though his
job required him to be able to read signs and
follow directions, he hasn't had to. And why because leftists

(34:58):
keep repeating the same mantra about refugees and migrants just
trying to get by. We're told that the rules don't
apply to them because they are just victims. That's the
sick logic that gets millions of people to rally behind Ms.
Thirteen and trend de Arabah members illegal aliency can do

(35:21):
no wrong because they're victims. This is what's called toxic empathy.
According to David Strom, I use the term suicidal empathy,
but toxic is fine too. Right, this idea and this
is the core tenet of Marxism, and it just gets
smuggled in in all these different scenarios, in different situations.

(35:45):
But it is always oppressor oppressed mindset. There's always a victim.
And then you just target a particular other category or
class of people, whether it's the landowners, the wealthy, a
racial group ever. And what it does is it uh,
it calcifies in the brain what's called the tendency for

(36:08):
interpersonal victimhood t i V. It is an actual psychological
personality defect, tendency for interpersonal victimhood. And when you start
thinking like this and you start thinking in terms that
you're the victim, and this does replicate at scale. Right,
there are all sorts of damaging downstream effects of this.

(36:31):
For one thing, like you don't sympathize with other people
who are actually going through some terrible thing, do you
ever wonder why the left makes these arguments about who's
going to clean your toilets? If we deport all illegal aliens,
who's going to clean your toilets, who's going to raise
your kids? Right, that's not that's not a sympathetic argument

(36:56):
because you're you're you're basically saying that there's a whole
class of people that that's what they should be doing.
That's not sympathetic. But they think that they're being sympathetic,
but they actually are not. Yeah, this guy should not
have been here, and there are people all along the
way that enabled this, and now three innocent people are

(37:20):
dead in Florida. It's the same thing like we just
talked about in the last hour about crime. These are choices,
and Donald Trump is showing that when you make a
different choice, you get different results. And the different choice
is no, we're actually going to enforce our immigration law. No,
we're actually going to enforce our criminal law. We're going

(37:42):
to put more people on the streets of the District
of Columbia. Because he can do that, I don't know
if he can do it with these cities he's talking
about now sending them to Chicago and stuff, and I
don't know if you I don't know if you've got
that kind of authority. But then again, we're buying shares
of intel, so I don't don't even know what we're
doing anymore. With Like, I'm old enough to remember when

(38:04):
that was considered to be socialism and that was not good,
not good. Although it's not surprising to me because I
recognize Donald Trump is a lifelong Democrat, so he has
these instincts that tend towards that old philosophy of state
ownership of things. And yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
That doesn't mean I hate Donald Trump. I'm just saying

(38:26):
if this was Joe Biden or Barack Hussein Obama, I
don't think people would be cool with it. Well, I
mean leftists would be cool with it. But meanwhile, quite
the admission from ABC News headline, immigrant families fear Trump's
deportations as children returned to school, school, public school. So

(38:55):
this is an admission, right that illegal aliens do care
a cost for public benefits. Right they are accessing taxpayer
funded services and such, right they and they just you know,
admit it, just acknowledge it. That many of the nation's
school districts are returning to the classroom with immigrant families. No, no, no,

(39:16):
no illegal immigrant families, illegal immigrant families. See, this is
how this is what they take from you. They take
the language. You control, the language, you control the debate.
That's why they That's why they are dropping the word illegal,
they drop the word alien. They tried undocumented, unauthorized, whatever.
Now they're just saying immigrant. Now they're just lumping all
immigrants together, illegal and legal. And they do it to obfuscate,

(39:41):
to cloud the argument, because then they can win that
argument by playing to your suicidal empathy. News Talk eleven
three WBT seven oh four five seven zero eleven ten.

(40:03):
That's the call in number. It is also the WBT
text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC and uh Brett
will be back tomorrow. I'm just filling in for him today.
Welcome and thank you for hanging out. I appreciate it.
From the text line, here's one from Doug who says
we are already in a proxy civil war. Half the

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Congress and the mayors of blue cities are welcoming and
protecting violent illegal immigrants as well as the homegrown, violent
radical elements. Let's see here. Joseph says, the Trump administration
just said they're reviewing fifty five million visas. Couple that

(40:44):
with at least thirty five million illegals, and you can
safely assume one out of every four people here should
not be here. No wonder howses cost so much and
you can't get into the er. This is an eight
to eight number. I agree with you on the rename
of illegal aliens. What's the deal with American born jobs reports? Though?

(41:07):
What do you mean, what's the deal with American born job? Yeah,
well that's data. Whenever they put the jobs report out,
they break it down foreign born and American born, and
so what we have seen since Trump took office is

(41:28):
a declining share. It's actually the people who are foreign born,
their numbers have been dropping as far as employment, and
American born employment is growing, which is due to deportations
and also self deportations, right, which is what Mitt Romney

(41:50):
promoted back in twenty twelve, and he said, like, if
you enforce the law that's already on the books, as
Trump is doing, if you enforce the law, then it
makes it untenable, unappealing, unattractive for people who are here
illegally to remain here and they will self deport. That's
what Mitt Romney said. And oh my gosh, like the

(42:14):
amount of people that went nuts over that, Like we
had had to have the national conversation over Mitt Romney
saying people will self deport. Oh my gosh, bring out
the fainting couches. But he was right, and there isn't
anything wrong with that. There isn't. That's why you have law.

(42:35):
You have these laws so as to you know, disincentivize
certain behaviors. Otherwise, don't have the law. If you're not
going to enforce this stuff, then just take it all
off the books. Why even bother having it on the books.
Just repeal all of the law and just allow people
to come across the border without even signing the guest

(42:57):
book on the way in right, like why bother? And
by the way, like this is not hyperbole. This is
now what we have witnessed now thanks to Donald Trump,
is that you we do have half the country roughly
that is advocating for open borders. They don't believe anybody

(43:18):
should be deported. They I mean, they this guy, what's
his name, Abrago Garcia, but now they just they picked
him up. He turned himself in. They picked him up.
They're going to send him to Uganda because they couldn't
send him to El Salvador, right because that was where
he is from. And uh, now they're going to send
him to Uganda and they're like, you can't send him there.

(43:38):
So now they're suing overall of that too. But the
guy was trafficking people and this is their poster child.
Which is one of the things that's always intrigued me
with the left is why do they always pick the
worst poster children for these types of issues. I Mean,
it's one thing to take the wrong side of the issue,

(43:58):
and then it's another to find like the worst type
of an offender in that system, in that structure, and
then to go to bat for that person. It's like
the hands up, don't shoot Michael Brown Ferguson thing, Like, really,
that's the guy you chose, the guy who went in
and robbed the convenience store and tried to take a
cops gun, Like that's the anyway. So many of the

(44:22):
nation's school districts are now going back to the classroom,
and this has gotten immigrant families fearful. According to ABC News,
they quote Esmeralda al Day, former executive director of Dual
Language and English as a Second Language Migrant Education for
the San Antonio Independent School District, which is one heck

(44:44):
of a title. I don't think it fits on a
business card. She says. It's coming at our families from
every angle. It's affecting our families from all angles, almost
leaving them with no choice but to self deport. Yes, right,
because the law was put on the books in order

(45:05):
to make things not comfortable for people who are violating
the law. And if you are violating the law, then
you should be worried that you are going to be
caught and suffer the repercussions of that, which is a
one way flight back to your home country. So you
can make arrangements ahead of time, Like you can make

(45:27):
some plans now and do it on your schedule, right,
Like you can make sure you get everything taken care
of and then go back on your own. You could
do that. Families, she says, now dread dropping their kids
off at school. Some won't even leave their homes. And
this got me thinking, what's the strategy there? Like what's

(45:49):
the play? Right? You're gonna what hunker down for four
years and then hope jd Vance doesn't win or something
like you're you're just going to ride this out. And
if that's the strategy, then the play is that you
want Democrats to get back into power so they will

(46:11):
give you the amnesty. So how is it that this
population knows this? How does the illegal alien population from
all over the world right, How is it that they
come to believe this thing about Democrats willing to give
amnesty to all of the illegal aliens? Why would they
get that idea? Where did that come from? It's a brainbuster.

(46:50):
Isaac is having a blast with my bump tunes. News
Talk eleven nine three WBT. Pete Calendar sitting in for
Brett winterb I want to welcome to the program, bread
wingeable Brett. How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I'm great. I'm fleeing the uh, I'm fleeing the Beltway.
We are leaving Washington, d C. And we had an
incredible day of talking to the people that are making
policy here at the White House, and it was it
was it was a really great day, especially on this
day where we found out that Kilmary only speak Spanish.

(47:30):
Only speak Spanish.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, how long has he been in the country, like
fifteen years or something?

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's kind of interesting.
It's they took him back into custody just in the
last hour or so, and they wouldn't say where they're
taking him, and everybody's very upse everybody's upset about that.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Pete.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Every everybody who was at that press conference earlier this
morning was very upset. And so now we don't know
where he is.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Right, Well, he's not going back to El Salvador, right,
He's not. We know where he's not going. He's not
going to l Salvador.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
So with that in mind, we had we had a
we had a couple of briefings Ron Vattello, who is
his customs in Border Patrol. Uh, he was. He was
really magnificent. I'm gonna play all this stuff tomorrow because
we got out of here late because we had the
South Korean president at the White House, so it tied

(48:29):
everything up, so we weren't gonna be able to move
very easily in that regard. But we so Ron Vitello
and Mike Banks, who is the actual chief of the
Border Patrol, and man they are they are so happy
just to not be getting attacked by by the Bidenistas.

(48:50):
And that sort of stuff. They're happy to be allowed
to do their job. Pete, I don't understand. I've never
thought that you should be able to do your job,
especially if it's national security.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Right now. Look, I started, uh started the first hour
talking about this Ukrainian woman that was murdered on the
Charlotte light rail line, uh, covering the immigration stuff in
this hour and in both. The connection with both of
these topics is what you just said there. It's like
this lack of focus on your first order, your first priority,

(49:22):
which is public safety. That's the only reason why we
seed some liberty to a government. It's so we have
mutual protection. And if you're if you're not going to
do that, then there isn't any reason for me to
be involved in this, in this social contract any longer.
It's right.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
And I was talking when talking to Chief Banks, who
he's he's been stationed all over the southwestern part of
the United States, and he's he's one of those guys
where you're saying, Okay, this guy lived it, and he
lives it every day. You know, he knows what's going on.
And he said, I asked, how does this grate on

(50:03):
you when you hear, you're not. You know, what's going
on in LA, what's going on in Baltimore, what's going
on in Chicago. And he says, people think that this
is a race issue. This is not a racist is
a safety issue. And he said, he said, sixty percent
of our people in the Border Patrol are Hispanic, right,

(50:27):
And he says, and he said, he said something like
I don't remember the exact number. He said, like thirty
percent that we hire our first generation Americans or have
come to the United States to become Americans. And he said,

(50:47):
including my wife who's also a Border Patrol agent and
was and was from Mexico City. And he says, and
they try to tell us that we're fascists and we're racists,
and he's like, nobody, No, none of these people are racists.
They're just one enforcing the law.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, it's one. And it's it's part of this suicidal
empathy in the Western societies, which is like all other
countries are allowed to have borders and protect them however
they see fit, except us.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Right exactly. Okay, Now I want you to say this
to me. Who else did you talk.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
To well bred before I let you go? Who else
did you talk to doctor Oz, really the man behind
the curtain.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
We had a great conversation. He loves the CMS, not
not not Charlotte Mecklenburg School, but he loves the CMS
and the and the and the process.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
He's he's got a crazy idea people. Uh oh, he
wants to get older people healthy, and he's saying what
they need to do is go check out with their
doctors because it's the thing they're supposed to do, so
we don't end up blowing up the healthcare system because
people don't go and get their cell themselves checked out.

(52:07):
Is that that's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I don't know that that sounds pretty fascisty right there.
I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean this guy
sounds like as big of a racist monster as the
border patrol guy.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
No, no, he's not. He's actually really incredible, and he's
he's he's he's just mesmerizing when you talk to him.
I mean, he's he's got such a passion for people
being healthy and saving lives and and that sort of stuff.
And then the pier there resistance Pete Judge shanein.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Very cool. So we'll be.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Playing the stuff tomorrow because I am driving. I'm speeding
back speed, but I'm driving back from the f L
Way as quickly as I can because I don't want
to get contaminated. But it's was. It was a very
fullsome number of hours and uh, they really gave us
their best and in so many ways. Uh, and so
I just wanted to report back and uh, you know,

(53:11):
just if if you've got any questions, I'll take them, Pete.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
But you know, proof of well, it was I did
promise proof of life to your audience. So I'm glad you. Uh,
I'm glad you, uh because they thought I was colonizing
your show and that that's what you do, so you're
the colonizer. So wait, I am curious were you Were
you able to If I had known you were going

(53:35):
to talk with doctor Oz, I would have I would
have suggested this before you went to talk with him,
which is, can you can he changed the acronym instead
of it being CMS, can it be C M M
S because that's actually the acronym. There are two m's.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
You know you're right about that.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I start it.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I think I have his card. I think I can
maybe reach out.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, maybe he's just like a text or something. I
don't understand why everybody drops one of the m's, you know,
because it's Medicare and Medicaid.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Well, yeah, I guess you know what it's. I think
it's probably because of Doge.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Had to drop a letter? You got to drop it
would save on some printing costs, sign printing, sign manufacturing,
any of the signs you gotta do. I guess that
would help. But yeah, for years they call it CMS.
I've never understood why they why they drop one of
the m's. So opportunity.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah, I'd like to buy a vowel pete.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Oh wait, no, it's consonant, hard consent anyway, it's soft
consonant or anyway. Brett Winnable travel safe. I will keep
the seat warm for you. Yes, you're doing a great job.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Thanks guys, Thanks.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Buddy, appreciate it. That's Brett Winnable. I'm keeping his seat warm.
Do not, don't ask how, but he'll be back tomorrow
and safe travels.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
To him, Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Jimmy Bouffet News Talk eleven ten ninety nine three WBT
the phone number seven oh four five seven eleven ten.
That was yes, Brett Winterble, this is the Brett Winterble Show.
I am not Brett Winterble. I was just talking with Brett.
He's in DC meeting with muckety MUCKs pooh bahs if

(55:29):
you will of the White House, and he will return
to the airwaves tomorrow and I will go back to
my noon to three slot. Let me jump over to
the phones here and get Ray. Hello, Ray, Ray, how
you doing?

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I'm well, how are you pretty good?

Speaker 5 (55:48):
I know your your pete And the previous caller was
Brett Winnable, but yeah, I wanted to make sure that
you know, how do you know that was Brett Hunterable
and not one of your callers to call in under
different identity sometime and he was maybe changed his political persuasion,

(56:10):
but didn't want people to know it and call in
talking hero the Conservative like, uh.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
That's a fair question. We uh thoroughly vetted him when
he called. Uh, and by we I mean Isaac. Isaac
vetted him when he called. Asked him you know the
secret code words and such and he passed, so we
knew it was Brett. But otherwise, very good. It's a
very good flag to raise h Luckily Isaac was on it. Also,

(56:40):
we have caller ideas.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
I was just wanted to make sure.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yes, sir, take care ray appreciate it. Here is a
message from russ Uh. Just spitballing here, Pete. But illegal
aliens may have gotten the idea that Democrats want to
give them himnesty and they just need to wait it
out from you know, like based off of like policies
that like Los Angeles distributing debit cards to illegals who

(57:09):
are afraid to go outside due to Trump's fascist deportations
and such like. That may be that may be why
they've gotten this in their head that they just need
to hunker down and wait it out for about three
and a half more years, and then they will be
allowed to come out of the shadows as it were.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
I saw this piece at the Charlotte Observer, and then
there was another one at Enlache Latino andc dot org.
They apparently both got to sit down interview with Assistant
Field Office Director Maria Summers from the Immigration Customs Enforcement
in Charlotte, and there was something interesting here at the UH.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
She is.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I believe she is a naturalized citizen. She's originally from Mexico.
To Brett's point, Yeah, she told us she is a
Mexican of Mexican origin and is a naturalized citizen, and
that she has been working for the agency for twenty
three years. Maria Summers. Now, that's reported in the en

(58:24):
Latche Latino NC dot org piece by Patricia Ortiz. That
did not make it into the Charlotte Observer article, but
I think that it probably should have because it's I
think an important piece of information, particularly when you start
off the piece by saying, quote, the official leading Immigration

(58:45):
and Customs enforcement in Charlotte denied that the agency racially
profiles people. That's how you started the article. So don't
you think that I think it would be of note
that she is of Mexican origin herself. No, she's a
naturalized citizen. She's an immigrant, So that seems to be

(59:10):
kind of relevant, particularly if you're starting off with this
denial of an accusation that ICE is racially profiling people,
and what evidence is there for that? Who is making
these accusations. Our job is to enforce immigration law, and
we do it very humanly, she said. Since President Donald

(59:31):
Trump returned to the White House in January and launched
a mass deportation campaign, ICE has been more active in Charlotte.
Increasingly public arrests have led to anguish and backlash. Churches,
a parent teacher association, an immigrant advocacy group, and others
have accused the agency of violating people's rights and creating dysfunction.

(59:55):
Throughout the observers and Lache Latino's hour long conversation with Summers,
she frequently redirected public criticism of ICE. What does that mean?
She redirected public criticism. I don't know what that means.
Then they have her quote people are very defiant.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
End quote.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
That's it. Now you go to the Alache Latino piece,
and she says she pointed out that in operations, people
turn out to be very challenging. Quote. People don't just
say here I am please, what can I do? We
don't always have cooperation, although we also have it in
some cases. That's another possibility. We have our identification machines

(01:00:41):
that we can use. We have different means to do it. However,
everything depends on the situation and the level of cooperation
of the person. Quote. The truth is that when we
are making an arrest and people start running or fighting,
many of them say I did nothing wrong because they
think that being here illegally is not doing anything wrong,

(01:01:06):
or because they were allowed to stay and be released
without any action being taken against them, they think they
haven't done anything wrong, and then when we find them,
they're not very receptive or cooperative. So I'm a why guy.
I like to ask why, And just like with the

(01:01:28):
other question about like why are people behaving this way?
Why do they think this is a good strategy? Well,
why do they think that they haven't done anything wrong?
What would give them that idea? This question is not
some answerary question here. This is at the core of
the entire issue. Yet the observer doesn't even explore it.

(01:01:52):
They don't report it, they don't this isn't even in
the observer story, and there's no exploration of why, because
that's the first thing I would have asked, Why do
they think that there's nothing wrong? Oh, well, because they haven't.
They haven't faced any ramifications for breaking the law in
the first place, or they've been recruited to come and
they've been told and sold a bill of goods that

(01:02:12):
you can go there and you're not going to be deported.
Who's spreading those messages Democrats? Yeah, Well, and the coyotes
and the cartels and such alrighty. Then hour number three,

(01:02:54):
final hour of the program News Talk eleven ten ninety
nine three WBT, do not adjust your radio dial. Brett
Winterble out today. He will be back tomorrow. I am
Pete Calener. I'm usually on noon to three, but today
I had Nick craigfill in for me, and I'm filling
in for Brett. It's the old switcheroo. And it's like,
you know in the World Series, you just like Game seven,

(01:03:16):
you just throw every picture you got out there. Just anyway.
The phone number is still the same, seven oh four five,
seven oh eleven ten. That is also the WBT text
line driven by Liberty Buick GMC, And you can email
me Pete atthpeteclendershow dot com and you can hit me
up on Twitter, where I do a lot of the wetwork.
Some people may refer to it as trolling. That's at

(01:03:39):
Pete Calender and that's k A L I N E R. Alrighty,
So do you know who Moe Davis is? Maybe this
will be the only time you ever hear his name,
and hopefully it's the last time I ever have to
talk about him again. Mo Davis is a perennial candidate

(01:04:02):
up in the Mountains. I believe he's originally from I
want to say Shelby, but he's been living in Ashville
for I don't know, probably better part of a decade
at this point. And he was remember he was during
the George W. Bush administration with the Abu Grabe prison

(01:04:28):
scandal stuff, and he I think that's where he like
he came out against the administration and he was the
darling talking head on MSNBC for years for this stuff.
And he's a believe he's a retired JAG officer, the lawyer.
And anyway, he runs for office and he fails usually.

(01:04:53):
I mean, he's never won in office, but he runs
for office out there in the mountains, and usually for
Congress he's done. And this was his third run at it.
And you may remember the first time he ran, he
was running against Madison Cawthorn, remember him, Madison Cawthorn, who

(01:05:14):
then lost to Chuck Edwards. Chuck Edwards is now the
congressman for the western part of the state. And Mo
Davis ran against Chuck Edwards as well and lost two
And now he was running again against Chuck Edwards. But
now he has decided to drop out of the race.
I'll explain why. But by way of background, Mo Davis

(01:05:38):
was running against Cawthorn in twenty twenty. At that point,
I was just doing my podcast. I was working and
living in Nashville, and I was invited to participate in
a debate with those two as a questioner, and so I,
along with two other media types, drafted questions and we

(01:06:01):
would throw the questions out. And so when I went
up and I asked the questions, I had done some
research into Moe Davis's Twitter, and by research I mean
I just like read through his tweets, and the guy
has like some sort of best I could determine with

(01:06:22):
some sort of like violence fetish or something, because so
many of his tweets were like fantasizing about in great
detail about harming Trump supporters and Trump, I mean not
explicitly Trump, because that would get you the Secret Service

(01:06:42):
visit and all. But he said, you know, you would
refer to the voters as magats, maggots, right, dehumanizing language,
that sort of stuff, and just real nasty stuff. And
so I read to him at this debate. I read
to him some of his tweets and I asked him,
how are you expecting to secure these votes? And if

(01:07:07):
you were to actually win, why would people that you're
describing like this, why would they feel like you are
a representative of them right when you're talking about putting
your heel onto their necks and grinding it down into

(01:07:29):
the pavement until you hear the snap of bones. That's
what he wrote. And his answer was something like, well,
you're in the media and so like, you know, I
was like a writing for a different audience or something
like that. So in other words, I was like, well,
you know, I've never written anything like that, I've never

(01:07:49):
said anything like that. I don't speak like that. So
he obviously thought that this was something that the audience
of MSNBC just lapped up, and so he had to
just keep shoveling it. I thought it was disqualifying. I
don't think you should talk about people like that, especially

(01:08:10):
if you want their votes and you want to represent them, right,
And he lost because Democrats in western North Carolina they
are very weird. Well I mean there aren't Democrats, but like,
they're very weird in the sense that they have this
belief that they in Ashville basically can carry the entire district.

(01:08:34):
Like if they can just get themselves a good candidate
into the general election, that they will win, but the
numbers are not there for them. They would have to
gerrymander a district that would you know, start in Ashville
and kind of snake all the way over to Boon
to get like basically get all the university towns right

(01:08:55):
all the college towns. You would have to make this
sort of like long squiggly district in order to get
enough Democrats because there are a lot of registered Democrats
still in the mountains, but they vote Republican, okay, and
so they have this in their head that somehow or another,
like they can actually win this congressional seat. We shall see.
But Mo Davis threw his name into the hat again

(01:09:18):
for this congressional district the eleventh, and they had a
big district dinner over the weekend, and they had gotten
into some trouble the Democrat Party did because they had
invited only one of the candidates to speak, and it
wasn't Mo Davis. It was because they got a primary

(01:09:41):
they're doing, and so they invited Jamie Ager and not
any of the other Democrats, And so Mo Davis went
off on social media as he does, and you know,
started saying all these nasty things about everybody and all
the Democrats and all this, and then apparently they reworked
the law and they said, fine, we can have you,

(01:10:02):
you know all speak at this dinner, okay, and on
the merits of the of the beef. He's correct, by
the way, Like the Democrat Party says that they don't
they don't, you know, pick winners in the primaries. They
don't do endorsements and all that stuff. But if you're
going to do a big dinner like this and you're
going to give one candidate the stage, like that's you're

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pretty well endorsing them at that point, right. So they
have the dinner. But before the dinner, apparently Mo Davis
dropped out. In a grievance laced midnight Facebook post, Democratic
congressional candidate Mo Davis dropped out of the race Saturday,
effectively positioning Fairview farmer Jamie Ager as the party's front

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runner to take on Republican Representative Chuck Edwards in the
next year's election. Davis's decision came just hours before he
Ager and three lesser known candidates to address a Democratic
Party fundraiser marking the unofficial kickoff to the primary campaign.
The NC eleven gala had become entangled in an intra

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party feud ignited by Moe Davis, who protested that party
leaders were positioning Ager as the favorite by giving him
a keynote speaking spot at the dinner. And look, there
is a reason why it looks like that. It's because
that's what they were doing, right, Yeah, that's why it
looks like they were positioning him favorably. Is because they

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were positioning him favorably. Of course they were. Ager is
the CEO of Hickory Nutgap Farms, historic farm. He comes
from a long line of politicians like this is a
dynasty in the in the mountains there, and that's what
Mo Davis ran up against and then went off on

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a ti rate. So I guess no more Democrat runs
from Davis. Maybe this talk eleven ninety nine three WBT

(01:12:25):
Pete Callender filling in for Brett Winterble. He'll be back tomorrow.
The WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC seven
four five seven eleven ten. Here's a message from Dave
in Shelby who says Shelby definitely does not claim Mo Davis. Well,
that's fair, that is fair. Also, I got a message

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here from John. It's a pete male. I guess somebody
stepped on Mo Davis's campaign's neck until it's snapped. That's nice,
nicely done, John. Yes, so Mo Davis, No Mo Mo.
He is out. He said, I'm grateful to everyone who

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supported my effort to kick ass for the working class
in western North Carolina. Oh sorry, I forgot to mention this. Also,
not only does he have like some anger management issues
and the violence fetish thing going on on the social
media accounts, but he curses a lot too. He uses
cuss words and stuff. And he was doing this long
before this became a consultant recommendation among all Democrats. He

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was kind of it's kind of a trailblazer here. He said.
At the end of the day, you can't overcome the
overwhelming weight of the party's dynasties who have aligned behind
the status quo. Tonight I concede to John Ager. Uh
see what he did there. John Ager is not actually

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the candidate that he's running against, Jamie Ager is. John
is Jamie's dad. John was a longtime state representative and
then Eric ran for the seat and now holds that

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state legislative seat in Raleigh, Eric Ager. So this is
what he's accusing. Mo. Davis is accusing the Ager family
of basically operating as a dynasty, a family dynasty here
and again. There's a reason why it looks like that.
It's because that is the case, right, That's absolutely the case.

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He says, I concede to John Aeger, referring to the
patriarch of the Ager family. He cleared the deck to
pass down his state House seat to his son Eric
in twenty twenty two, and he's doing the same for
his son Jamie in six. Jamie Aeger is named after
his grandfather, James Jamie Clark, who represented the region in

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Congress from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety one and
for a decade before that in the state General Assembly.
So you've got Jamie Clark, then John Aeger, then Eric Aeger,
and finally Jamie Ager. Yeah, that's a dynasty. That's that's yeah,

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that's three generations right. So Mo Davis is pointing the party,
pointing out the party's dynasties. This is what he's talking about.
He said, political office is a family heirloom. That gets
handed down like its granddaddy's pocket watch. Now, part of
the problem for Modavis is him is he's not a

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very pleasant person, and so there's not a lot of
tears being shed that he has dropped out by the way,
I'm reading from the Asheville Watchdog Avlwatchdog dot org and
Beth Hampton Jones, interim chair of the Democrat Party's District

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eleven organization, told the watchdog that Davis had very little
support within the party. Quote after losing in the twenty
twenty election and burning bridges within the party with his
aggressive style of blame and name calling. I'm not sure
why he thought that he could build real support for
his campaign without the Democratic base. She said he had

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alienated many party workers and voters with an aggressive campaign style.
In the days before this fundraiser over the weekend, Davis
took direct and personal swipes at the state Democrat Party
chair Anderson Clayton, as well as campaign strategist Grayson Barnett.

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He blamed them for pushing Ager's candidacy despite the party's
rule prohibiting party officers from endorsing individual candidates before primary elections,
and what mo Davis said was quote. When the head
of the state party publicly supports one candidate and her
senior advisor manages that candidate's campaign, it's game over. Well now,

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So Breezy Clayton that's her Twitter handle, Anderson Clayton, her
senior advisor, is running Ager's campaign. Yeah, I'd say that's
that's a pretty clear indication. Yeah. The party leadership's ill
disguised search for an alternative to Mo Davis focused early

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on Jamie Ager as being a strong competitor against Chuck Edwards,
especially in the rural and conservative counties that have gone
heavily for Donald Trump. In addition to the family's historic
ties to the region. Party activists contended privately that as
a successful farmer and entrepreneur, Ager could win votes beyond

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the heavily Democrat Buncom County and the other progressive pockets
scattered across the district sixteen counties. So they went out
and got themselves an actual farmer, Like this is they
so need somebody else They have been They have been
chasing the ghost of Heath Schuler for twenty years now.

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Heath Shuler, former quarterback Local Guy, went to the NFL
right and like he represented the district in Congress until
Mark Meadows won the seat, and then it has not
been in Democrats hand since because the voting patterns changed
and they need to find themselves somebody. They keep thinking

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they've got someone and maybe this guy will do it.
Maybe this will be Heath Schuler's ghost reincarnated.

Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
We shall see.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Who's talk eleven nine three WBT. That's Leonard Skinnyard Pete
Callender here filling in four Brett winter Bull. He'll be
back tomorrow seven oh four five, seven eleven ten. So
I have been documenting for the past year all of
the helpful advice that the consultant class is giving Democrat

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candidates so to improve their electoral prospects. Okay, some of
the things that have been recommended so far, I'm keeping
a list. More cussin, right, you got to curse a
lot more.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
There was also the push to grow facial hair. I'm
not sure if that was for men and women, but
facial hair was a plus. It kind of conveys the
idea that, first off, your chin may be actually bigger
than it is. Maybe not a double chin either, but
mainly it's like it shows virility. I'm a man, I

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can grow hair on my face, right, So there was that.
There's also this there was a rash of videos that
were shot from gym's working out, so you got like
Eric Swallwell bench pressing that sort of thing. So they

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were obviously they had been advised like this is how
you're going to get the dudes back to voting for
you is you got to have the facial hair, got
to be cursing, and you got to be lifting weights,
which actually did not turn out to be really good
advice for Zorron. Ma'm Danny the kami uh you know
jee HATI adjacent guy running for mayor of New York.

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Apparently over the weekend he was at some campaign you know,
grip and grin kind of event, and I don't know
why they were like working out. I think they had
a bench press there, and so he got onto the
bench and he tried to bench press like I don't
even know, it looked like maybe one hundred pounds maybe,

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and he could not do it. So like that's the downside.
That's why you got to do that sort of thing
in a controlled environment where you can like take all
the weights off of the bell, off of the bar
rather and then you could just lift the bar and
then not show anybody that waits, you know, that kind
of thing, or just do something that you know you
can do, like maybe just get on the treadmill and

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just jog a little bit. Anyway, so there's some other
advice now that's being offered up. This came from Politico
and their playbook, that's what it's called playbook, and they
advised in a new memo there is a center left
think tank which is kind of sounds like an oxymoron,

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but okay, it's called Third Way, and it is circulating
a list of forty five words and phrases that they
want Democrats to avoid using, saying that the terms put
up a wall between us and everyday people of all races, religions,
and ethnicities, which that sentence alone is indicative of your problem.

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Right You're like, oh, these words are putting up up
the wall between us and these slubs. Man Like, yeah,
you're you're not seeing yourself as an everyday person. That's
the problem right there, the fact that anyway, So this
is what they have come up with. Okay, it's a

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set of words that they suggest people just don't say.
I mean, you can still believe all of this stuff.
You can be, you know, a full fledged member of
the moonbat brigade, but you just can't say this stuff
to the quote everyday people, right, makes Democrats sound like

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they're extreme, makes them sound divisive, elitist, obfuscatory, enforcers of wokeness. Yes, right,
there is a reason why that's the way Democrats sound,
perfectly logical explanation, which is that that's what they are.

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That and that is why people do not want to
be associated with them. In record numbers, they are hemorrhaging voters.
We covered this story the other day last week The
New York Times had all of the data and of
the thirty states that track or that allow people to
sign up with a political party, twenty states do not,

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but thirty states do, along with the District of Columbia.
And in every single one of those states, Democrats have
lost registration and in every one of those states Republicans
have gained. Like this is an existential threat now to
the Democrats. This I've said it from the beginning that
the wokeism stuff, this critical theory, this Marxism, it is

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a cancer and it is right now eating the Democrat Party.
So what are the words thought. You never ask among
the blacklisted terms? Can you say blacklist? Is that anyway?
Privilege violence as in environmental violence, dialoguing, which I support

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that too. That's a terrible word, just say talking, triggering,
other ring, microaggression, holding space, body shaming, subverting norms, systems
of oppression. I think I saw them open for leftover
salmon actually back in nineteen ninety. Nevermind cultural appropriation, don't

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say it overton window, existential threat to the climate, the democracy,
the economy, whatever, Radical transparency, stakeholders, the unhoused, food insecurity.
I don't think they're going to have any words left.

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This is literally all they say. You're basically saying, guys,
everything that you say turns people off. So you're going
to have to adopt a completely different language than the
one that you have adopted over the last decade. Housing insecurity,
person who immigrated, you can't say that. Well, they're not

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going to say illegal alien. So what are they elect with?
Birthing person or as I like to call them, women,
cis gender not a thing dead naming, heteronormative patriarchy, lgbt
QI A plus bipoc. You know what BIPOC is, No

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it's not it's not the it's not the cousin of tupacints.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
It's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Black Indigenous people of color b IPOC. Don't say allieship,
don't say incarcerated people or involuntary confinement, he said. The
think tank says, we are doing our best to get
Democrats to talk like normal people. Which that's the problem.

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You don't talk like normal people because you're not normal people.
This is not like the language is not some it's
not some affectation. Right, these are things, But you guys
adopted these words because you are in on the ideology.
Changing your words is not going to change the ideology.

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You are locked in the tendency for interpersonal victim of mindset,
this TIV mindset. We think this is Matt Bennett uh
from the Third Way. Uh. He says, we think language
is one of the central problems we face with normy
voters signaling that we are out of touch with how
they live, think and talk. Once again, it's always the

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messaging with the Democrats, like it's never the policies. They
never believe that the stuff that they are talking about
is the problem. They always think it's like, oh, our
message just hasn't broken through. We haven't figured out the
right slogan to sell this to you on always the

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same with these people. Yes, that's old pro medicine shop.
Let's bring this baby in for a landing. Final segment

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of the program. Thanks a lot for hanging out again,
Brett will be back tomorrow. So again to recap, more cussing.
Democrats want to win. They got to get the young
dudes back. So the way they think they're going to
do this, according to the various stories and the reporting
over the last few months, it's more cussing, lift weights,

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grow facial hair. Also, you can get yourself arrested, maybe
get shot even that was one suggestion from a focus
group that was done. I mean get shot by ice
while you're protesting an ice facility. Okay, right, so something
like that, or just get arrested at an ice facility.

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Right and now this from Third Way, Essentially their recommendation
is just stop talking. Just stop talking. They have this
list of words that without these words, I don't know
if Democrats are actually even able to have a conversation. Literally, yeah,

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hang on a second. I had a message here from
the hellion on Twitter who says so basically throw out
their entire vocabulary they've been using for twenty years, right exactly,
they're about to outconsult themselves. Yeah, I don't like the
root of this is the ideas that you are promoting.

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People don't like them. They don't like them, and then
you try to shame them and guilt them or lie
about what it is you're trying to get done. And
what is their reaction. It's the same every time. It's
always you just don't understand what I am saying. This
is a good policy, this is a good idea. I

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want to go in this direction. And the only reason
that you would disagree with me is not because you
disagree that the policy or idea or direction is bad. No,
it's because I haven't articulated the proper formation of a
sentence to convince you why it's a good thing. Mark, Sorry,
Matt Bennett, I read the quote a minute ago. We
think language is one of the central problems we face

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with normy voters, in other words, normal people. It's not
the life language you're using, it's the ideology that leads
you to develop this kakamami language in the first place.
You created these words for a reason. You do it
to gain power to hide the ball. Lenay Ericsson, the

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senior vice president at Third Way, said the Democrat party
brand is toxic across the country at this point, with
way too many people, enough that there's no way for
us to win a governing majority without changing that, which
sounds pretty bad for them, that sense that the party
brand is so toxic with too many people, there's no

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way to win a governing majority. She says, we were
sticking to messages that were so overly scripted that they
basically sounded like nothing. Yeah, that was the problem. You
were too scripted. Right, It's not that you're paralyzed by
fear of offending one of your coalition groups. Right, how

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about this, what's a woman? Simple question? You guys couldn't
answer it. And it wasn't due to the scripting. It
was because you didn't want to say there were two sexes,
because you didn't want to offend and anger a part
of your moonback brigade base. So Politico asks, can Democrats

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really talk their way back to power? Probably not. Let
me jump over and get Tara on. Hello, Tara, welcome
to the program. Hey you at this time, it's a
flashback for me I used to do afternoons, so it's

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kind of reliving the old glories there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
No, I remember, I've followed you a long time. I
knew you when you were very heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Oh well that wasn't that long. It's been about four
years though. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
But I'm wondering do the Democrats believe themselves?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Are they just with regard to with regard to this,
like the messaging versus the the ideology.

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
I think they're I think they're getting the the paperwork
every day, say this, say this it is, and don't
veer from that, and if you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
Don't believe it, screw you. We're gonna keep going here.
I don't think they believe in themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Well, they think. I do believe that they honestly think
that it is just messaging, that it's not the policies.
And so because they everybody keeps saying the same thing, No,
it's they're diluted. They are deluded because they think right, well,
they think that they are. And you've got rank and

(01:33:59):
file people, you got to consultants and all of this,
and so it's this way that they just remember, like
the whole point of this kind of analysis is to
figure out a way to get back into power, and
they believe that they are the good people and their
ideas are good, so they deserve to be in power, right,
And so the only reason why anybody would go against

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us is if they're being misled or they just don't
understand what we are saying. But they're also kind of
cowards and that they won't push back against the radical
elements in their party, and those are the elements that
drive these types of language changes.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
Well, I agree with that, but I also think that
they are having themselves on the back like they do
with their Emmys and granted, like they give themselves awards
and they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Yeah, yes, yeah, well I got this. Yeah, well because
it yeah, it allows them to not have to change
any of their ideology, any of their ideas, not to
think well that too. I mean that was never really
on board on the board for them. So Tarah, good
to hear from you. I appreciate the call gotta run
all right, thank you, Tarah. Yeah, I think you know

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so much of this is it's grievance. And if you
just tell yourself that you're not breaking through with your message,
then that's not your fault and you don't have to
change any of your policies. You just have to hire
more consultants, So say the consultants. There you go. That's
funny how that works. I don't think, by the way,

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I don't think they can do this. I don't think
they're going to be able to scrub these words out
of their vocabulary. All right, stick around, Brett Jensen up next.
I'll see you tomorrow. Don't break any while I'm gone.