Steve Mallloy On The Brett Winterble Show

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Later, we're joined by Steve Malloy from the Energy and Environmental Legal Institute to talk about the massive new U.S. energy deal with the European Union and the future of American energy policy. Malloy explains that the $700 billion liquefied natural gas agreement positions the U.S. as a key supplier to a gas-starved Europe, especially as they move away from Russian energy. He also discusses President Trump’s strong stance against wind energy, calling windmills both environmentally harmful and economically inefficient. Offshore turbines, he argues, threaten marine life and raise water temperatures, while offering minimal benefit in return. Malloy emphasizes Trump’s push for deregulation to boost oil, gas, and nuclear energy development—vital for powering America’s reindustrialization and AI expansion. He dismisses hydrogen and other renewables as impractical, while welcoming moves to eliminate unpopular features like auto engine shut-off systems. For more, Malloy encourages listeners to follow him on X at @JunkScience.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine, three WBT. It's the
Brett Winter Show. It's great to be with you, and
I'm really happy to welcome back to the program Steve molloy,
a senior Energy and Environmental Legal Institute fellow and of
course former Trump EPA transition team leader, and he's joining
us now. Thanks so much Steve for being back here.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey, Britt, thanks for having me talk.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
A little bit about this energy deal that we saw
that came about earlier today with the European Union. This
seems to be a game changer.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, so it looks like we're going to be selling
I think like seven hundred billion dollars worth of gas
to Europe. Of course, Europe is gas strapped, they won't
allow fracking, their own fracking, and with the Ukraine Russian War,
of course they want to avoid buying Russian gas. So

(01:03):
the only place to get from is the United States.
And you know, President Trump is trying to open as
many liquefied natural gas terminals in the US is possible
to ship as much of that precious stuff to Europe
and Asia, where you know they'll pay three times more
for US. I'm sorry, six times more for it than

(01:23):
the US utility will. So it's you know, it's all cash.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So when we look at this, right, one of the
things that the president has, I mean, he has gone
on and on about this and it's not necessarily a negative,
but it is something that is stuck in his craw
and it's the idea of these windmills. And he just
does not want to see any more windmills. Did he
did he have one accidentally erected on his property somewhere.

(01:52):
I mean, because he he hates these windmills. What is
the genesis of this?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, so he started hating them because you know, he's
got this beautiful Turnberg golf course in Scotland, and you
know he fought them from being built off shore. He
lost and said, you know he's been complaining because I
guess on the eighteenth green you can see windmills in
the distance. He absolutely hates them, and he has brought
that back to America. He just hates windmills. Dumps on

(02:19):
him any time he can, and he also has the
chance to take action against him, which he is doing.
He did it in the One Big Beautiful Bill. There's
been an executive or after that's just going to bury
windmills and paperwork, and you know, for all I know,
we're never going to see another new one in the
United States.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
And look, and we have talked about this before, especially
you know, the blight that it is, especially off the
East coast, and and and all the nastiness that goes
on there were hard we're harming the sea wildlife. Once
upon a time, I'm old enough to remember maybe you
are as well, that we were supposed to protect, you know,
the species, and this is just a massacre for these species.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, I mean they're an environmental disaster. I mean the
offshore wind kills whales, onshore kills, migratory birds on shore,
these you know, the massive concrete rebar foundations for these
wind farms. They're permanent, so they're a permanent blight. They're ugly,
they have other environmental effects. The offshore stuff is really bad.

(03:24):
They have you know, the cables that bring the electricity.
Those things run at at like one hundred and forty degrees,
which means that they're heating up the water.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh my god, wait wait, wait, wait, We're supposed to
be saving the climate and we're heating it up like
a like a giant blast.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, and just you know, keep
in behind. You know, fifty years ago it will save
the whales. Now the environmentals are like kill the whales
with windmills. So yeah, and plus plus they only make
electricity more expensive. They you know, they don't do anything.
They're not changing the weather, changing the climate much less
improving them. They've just made electricity really expensive. And you

(03:59):
know now that we have we're going to reindustrialize America
and we've got AI more AI coming online. We need
more power. Let windmills and solar just don't do it.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
So when you when you look at this, and this
is the question that I have, right we know about
the shutting down of nuclear power plants that have happened.
I think we've got one left on the on the
West coast and maybe a couple of others obviously around
the rest of the country. Are we going to see
that we can get that kind of energy for AI,

(04:30):
for all that that new industrialization that's going to have
to happen. Are we going to turn towards nuclear power? Uh,
in a in a full strong way, given the fact
that it's it's really the cleanest thing you can do.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, Uh, you know, we're going to try. You know,
President Trump is trying to get the permitting process straight.
There's some bad science and bad risk assessment going on
that he's trying to fix so that we can You know,
the first nuclear plant built in America was constructed in
less than four years and ran for thirty years. Uh.

(05:06):
And of course you can't do anything close to that
today just because of all the regulations. So we need
to deregulate a little bit. But in the meantime, you know,
President Trump is going to get as much oil and
gas based load power online for AI and reindustrialization, and
we'll have the best of you know, all three worlds, coal, gas,

(05:26):
and nuclear for electricity.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Are we going to Are we going to see at
any point? Are we going to see hydrogen? Come on,
come online as as.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Sorry no, all these bogus you know, win solo hydrogen.
Sorry audio. So the President Trump, you know, he sometimes
he says that he has some hope for solar but well,
I mean, you know, maybe in California there's more sunshine
than like Minnesota, but generally speaking, I think all this

(05:55):
renewable stuff is just going to go the way of
the dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's going to be and listen. I'm not I'm not
against it. Out there in California, I still have the
stupid button on my on my jeep where I where
at idols. You know, I have to turn it off
every time we're at idols at the intersections. I mean,
it's just get rid of that too. Oh thank god.
It's the worst thing ever. I mean, it is just
the worst thing ever. It just turns your car off
and then you have to turn it back on at

(06:19):
every intersection. And when you're when you're driving in six
mile an hour traffic on the four oh five, you
just want to absolutely rip your air out. I'm sorry,
I just had to editorialize on that one. No.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
No e p A Lee's Elvin E p a Chief
has said that he's he's getting rid of you know
that requirement. Yeah, so automakers will be free not to
have that. You know, who knows what the automakers will do.
But they wouldn't have to it cert it. They would
just be an option for fools.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I feel like I feel like Pete bodha Jege, he
should he should have the car like that, Like, we
don't need the car like that, We need a regular car.
I don't need a you know everywhere, Oh gosh, yes,
please please, Yeah, but you can't go to Costco. That way, Steve,
where people go to find out more information on all
the stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
You guys, you can follow me every day on X
at junk Science.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
At junk Science, there is nothing junkie about you. You
are awesome. We always appreciate your conversation and thanks for
being here today. Sure bye, you got it. Absolutely, that's
Steve molloy at junk Science