September 25, 2025 • 15 mins
Tune in here to this Thursday's edition of the Brett Winterble Show!
Brett kicks off the program by talking about the recent gun violence in Dallas and the broader issue of rising unrest in American cities. He frames the situation as part of a growing insurgency, arguing that loosely organized groups like Antifa, though not technically insurgents, are contributing to a destabilizing climate.
Later, Brett explores how historical examples of insurgencies and domestic extremism relate to current events, drawing comparisons to both left-wing violence in the 1960s and Civil War-era uprisings. He emphasizes the role of foreign funding, NGOs, and ideological networks in supporting radical movements and discusses methods typically used in counterinsurgency efforts—ranging from surveillance and legal action to community engagement. While acknowledging that a full-scale civil war is unlikely, he warns of continued destabilization unless action is taken
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
He's Talk eleven ten, ninety ninety three WVT Brett Witer
Bull Show. Wonderful to be here with you guys, spending
time with you breaking down all the big stories that
are out there. So, according to the United States Attorney,
the gunshots that were fired yesterday, he sprayed a bunch
of bullets. The shooter's gun was legally purchased last month.
(00:37):
All this sort of stuff is going on, and it's
a shame to see that it has gone to a
place where there is violence that is happening in America's
big cities. This is happening in a lot of different locations.
This one is Dallas, and it's because you have a
group of people who have been ordered, I think, to
go out and to foment an insurgency. And I think
(01:01):
that's actually what the technology, what the technical term is
for what it is that we're seeing happening. This is
an insurgency. And I understand that President Trump is going
after Antifa. I understand that he's saying that it's a
terrorist organization. All that sort of stuff are those are
specific technical terms that need to be utilized inside the
(01:25):
way this sort of stuff happens. So I'm going to
go with the idea that there is an insurgency in
the United States. I do believe we have an insurgency
in the United States, and in the same way that
we've seen it in a variety of other locations. Right
We've seen insurgencies take place in the Middle East. We've
(01:45):
seen insurgencies take place in Afghanistan. We've seen insurgencies take
place in Europe. We've seen insurgencies take place in America
on American soil. This is a This is a fact,
and it's something that I think we need to get
our heads around. And for anybody who doesn't know what
(02:05):
an insurgency is, it's an attempt to foment violence and
to try to overthrow the government of the United States. Now,
it can be like three dummies in a field someplace
who decide they want to be an insurgency can also
be fifty thousand, one hundred thousand people that are banding
together to try to overthrow the United States of America.
(02:30):
So how do we stop this? Because I do believe
that the murder of Charlie Kirk he was a victim
of an insurgency. I do think what we saw in
Dallas that was a victim of an insurgency, and these
are folks that are engaging in very sophisticated ways, in
(02:51):
very sophisticated trainings, and they're being funded, right, So that's
what we have to do. So, like, let's take this
apart piece by piece for people who don't know what
an insurgency is. It's basically, if you read the RAND Corporation,
you can get a pretty good idea of this. It's
the most effective counterinsurgency called coin combining military precision, political legitimacy,
(03:14):
and community engagement. That's what you do when you're trying
to stop an insurgency. Okay, when you're trying to stop
an insurgency, you need to do all of those things
all at the same time. So what you need to
do if you want to stop an insurgency in the
United States, you have to undermine the insurgents support. You
have to cut off access to resources, safe havens, and
(03:36):
popular backing. There are ways that you can do that.
There are ways that you can do it that are
really really horrible, false flag operations things like that. If
that's what you wanted to do, you could easily do that.
But I don't think that that's what's going to happen.
Strengthen local governance, build trust in the government through the
reforms and anti corruption efforts, etc. Use high quality sources,
(03:59):
balance its force and persuasion, empower local police and judiciary. Well, Brent,
that doesn't sound like anything that would happen in the
United States of America. No, you're right, that's absolutely true.
It's absolutely true. But we have had insurgencies in the
United States. We have you know how the Democratic Party
(04:19):
was responsible for institutional slavery and how they went about
doing their business when they decided that they were going
to murder Abraham Lincoln and Ensewared and the folks who
were who were out there, you guys remember that, right.
So the stock and trade of the Democratic Party, in
addition to the Ku Klux Klan, was actually to break
(04:42):
off from the United States of America. That's why you
had the Civil War. That's why you had the Civil War.
And so the Civil War between eighteen sixty one and
eighteen sixty five was a rebellion, not a classic insurgency.
I would argue it was probably the second insurgency in
the country because you had the insurgency going on with
Francis Marion and all the stuff that went on with
(05:04):
the American Revolution, the Reconstruction Error resistance, including the rise
of the Ku Klux Klan, had insurgent characteristics, and eventually
that organization was basically broken up, but it was supported
very strongly by Democrats. I mean, all you have to
(05:25):
do is go to go to Woodrow Wilson h and
the fact that you know he was screening all of
these sorts of movies back in the day. Domestic extremist
groups have occasionally used insurgent tactics, but none have sustained
territorial control or popular legitimacy. The reason why they didn't
(05:47):
do that is because you had like something in the
in the form of Bill Ayres, who was a well
known terrorist organization person who was working with the underground,
right with the with the underground during the Vietnam War.
You also saw that there were bombings during the nineteen sixties.
(06:08):
You also saw something else that was very important about
all this as well, which was anybody know what I'm
going to say, which was the assassinations of Martin Luther King,
the assassinations of Malcolm X, the assassinations of RFK and JFK,
the assassinations, the attempted assassinations of Gerald Ford, that all
(06:30):
came out of the left. That was all left wing
terrorism that was going on in that regard. The reason
why you don't see a whole lot of this kind
of stuff is because, well, everything has kind of gone underground,
but it's also at the same time gone into a
very specific region of how this stuff is handled. And
it's the Internet. It's all the stuff that people are
(06:54):
now using in different ways, but that doesn't mean that
they're not terrorists. So how do we counter insurgents. Well,
if you're using the military, you want to do targeted
raids and intelligence led operations. If you want to do
something about the political side, well you have to get
right out in there and persuade people to avoid those
sorts of people. If you want to know about how
(07:16):
it is you fix this in the community, well, community outreach, education,
economic support, and then of course you've got psychological things,
counter narratives, amnesty programs, and then legal prosecution and surveillance
and civil protections. Now, the big question people are asking
is is Antifa an insurgency. Technically it's not. There is
(07:40):
no head of the party, head of the body. This
is something that just goes on and on and on
and on, typically in blue cities. It's a loosely organized
protest movement. It is not a unified armed rebellion, which
makes this thing even more difficult. It lacks territorial control,
a centralized command, or a coherent political platform. But I
(08:02):
do know that inside the walls of government they are
being surveiled, because everybody's being surveiled. If you buy an
airline ticket, you're being surveiled. If you get on a bus,
you're being surveiled. The only pace you're not being surveiled
is the is the the rail here unfortunately, and we
(08:23):
need that, We need them to be surveiled. Most actions
are episodic and symbolic. They're not really trying to build
out a punching bag war sort of a thing. So
what are we going to do? I'm gonna tell you
what we're gonna do, straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
All bad, I I.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
All right. News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine, three WBT.
It's the Brett Wintererbull Show. It's good to be with you.
So I'm just I'm sick and tired of hearing you
know the whole the civil war is gonna break out again. No,
it's not. The reason why it's not gonna happen again
is because people are too busy to have a civil war.
(09:23):
What's gonna happen is we're gonna We're gonna end up
kind of suffering in some ways by these leftists who
are trying to destroy all that is healthy and lovely
and good in the world. Okay, so here, here's what
we've got here. And that was hyperbole. Don't get all nuts,
don't freak out. I'm just trying to explain to people.
(09:44):
Try to keep it even keeled, right, even keeled, or
maybe if you're a if you're a if you're a
fan of Eddie Vedder, we're gonna be even flow here. Okay,
how about that? All right? So this does look like
it's sort of like an insurgency, right You have these
organizations that are being very well funded, and I believe
(10:06):
from what I've been reading, this is funding that is
coming from around the world. Oh, what are you kidding me?
We've got people from around the world funding the insurgency
in the United States right now. Of course, what do
you think, who do you think is funding it? Nobody's
(10:27):
got any money here in the United States, they got
to go with the foreign governments. I am willing to bet.
I'm willing to bet that at a minimum, the people
who are funding these sort of ideological networks, the state sponsorship,
the illicit economies, those are all the ways you get
(10:47):
money to flood it into these people. So it's cash,
maybe it might be it might be some bitcoin in
there somewhere. So the common funding sources would be the
usual suspects. Iran, Russia, Pakistan. They've historically backed insurgent groups
for strategical leverage. Drug trafficking very popular to raise money,
(11:14):
Taliban fark trend de arragua. Right, you've got these groups
that are dealing that kind of stuff. Then you've got
smuggling and extortion, right, black markets, kidnapping for ransom, taxing
local populations. And then you go into these neighborhoods who
might be feeling left out, and you go to the
(11:36):
diaspora donations. Right, ethnic or religious communities abroad sometimes will
fund insurgents out of a loyalty or out of aggrievance.
Now it's not a secret that Europe has changed a
whole lot, and places like New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Minneapolis.
(11:56):
They have also changed a whole lot that that happens
pretty much, you know, on a on a regular basis,
people move in, people move out. And then here is
the circle you want to have on the sheet nngos
and charities because if you go back in time to
the Obama administration and I'm not I'm not slagging Obama.
(12:18):
I'm not going after Obama. But I'm just gonna point
something out to you. If you go back to, uh,
to the Obama administration, back when they that first flow,
that first insane flow of people started coming up into
the United States. Uh, there were all these organizations that
were being funded. Uh. They would they would house them
in churches and things like that. But what they would
(12:40):
do is they would go out and they would they
would get money from the big, bad evil people that
you know by name that I will not say, uh,
and they would say things like yeah, no, no, we're gonna,
We're gonna. Yeah, We're with the Sinfrontetras organization. We're taking
all these people up to Chicago. Has Bola receives funding
(13:02):
from Iran. They also run businesses and charities globally. Isis
they used oils smuggling back in the day antiquity sales.
That's why they were stealing all that stuff when they
were raiding over in Syria, and then extortion to build
their war chest. But when you get to the Antifa
thing here, Okay, this is where we end up with
(13:23):
a difficult sort of connection that can be made. Because
the president wants to say that Antifa is behind all
of these attacks. I don't believe that it's exclusively Antifa.
Maybe Antifa is doing some stuff, but I think that
there are actual, real bad dudes who are behind killing
(13:43):
guys like Charlie Kirk and other people like that. I
think that that is happening. Antifas not centralized. So you
just go buy a black T shirt, you go get
yourself a crowbar and then you start pounding a cop
on a corner, right, Or you go break a window,
you do that sort of stuff. Or you beat up
old people or children, or you beat up conservatives. Right.
(14:07):
It's something they're trying to drive people out of the
public sphere. So what are the funding channels that they've got.
Antifa International they provide bail and legal defense and tactical
gear for activists, weapons, etc. It raises money via Patreon
fund raser or Razor Action Network merchandise sales. There's a
(14:31):
lot of people that want to walk around with shirts
that say kill fascists. I don't know if these people
ever define who the fascists are that they're wanting to kill.
International Anti Fascist Defense Fund. They've got lots of money
and twenty two countries are part of that. Is this
all publicly known stuff? I mean this is you could
read articles about this. The Torch Network, a US based
(14:53):
coalition that directly supports Antifa International for donations, and then
the worst of the worst, right the lawyers that get
in there and they try to help them out and
get them out and all that sort of stuff. There
has to be a strategic insight though, if you want
(15:14):
to try to fix this, if you're building, if you're
building for this, if you're looking at this, how do
you stop any of this? Well, I'll tell you, and
I'll tell you straight ahead.
He's Talk eleven ten, ninety ninety three WVT Brett Witer
Bull Show. Wonderful to be here with you guys, spending
time with you breaking down all the big stories that
are out there. So, according to the United States Attorney,
the gunshots that were fired yesterday, he sprayed a bunch
of bullets. The shooter's gun was legally purchased last month.
(00:37):
All this sort of stuff is going on, and it's
a shame to see that it has gone to a
place where there is violence that is happening in America's
big cities. This is happening in a lot of different locations.
This one is Dallas, and it's because you have a
group of people who have been ordered, I think, to
go out and to foment an insurgency. And I think
(01:01):
that's actually what the technology, what the technical term is
for what it is that we're seeing happening. This is
an insurgency. And I understand that President Trump is going
after Antifa. I understand that he's saying that it's a
terrorist organization. All that sort of stuff are those are
specific technical terms that need to be utilized inside the
(01:25):
way this sort of stuff happens. So I'm going to
go with the idea that there is an insurgency in
the United States. I do believe we have an insurgency
in the United States, and in the same way that
we've seen it in a variety of other locations. Right
We've seen insurgencies take place in the Middle East. We've
(01:45):
seen insurgencies take place in Afghanistan. We've seen insurgencies take
place in Europe. We've seen insurgencies take place in America
on American soil. This is a This is a fact,
and it's something that I think we need to get
our heads around. And for anybody who doesn't know what
(02:05):
an insurgency is, it's an attempt to foment violence and
to try to overthrow the government of the United States. Now,
it can be like three dummies in a field someplace
who decide they want to be an insurgency can also
be fifty thousand, one hundred thousand people that are banding
together to try to overthrow the United States of America.
(02:30):
So how do we stop this? Because I do believe
that the murder of Charlie Kirk he was a victim
of an insurgency. I do think what we saw in
Dallas that was a victim of an insurgency, and these
are folks that are engaging in very sophisticated ways, in
(02:51):
very sophisticated trainings, and they're being funded, right, So that's
what we have to do. So, like, let's take this
apart piece by piece for people who don't know what
an insurgency is. It's basically, if you read the RAND Corporation,
you can get a pretty good idea of this. It's
the most effective counterinsurgency called coin combining military precision, political legitimacy,
(03:14):
and community engagement. That's what you do when you're trying
to stop an insurgency. Okay, when you're trying to stop
an insurgency, you need to do all of those things
all at the same time. So what you need to
do if you want to stop an insurgency in the
United States, you have to undermine the insurgents support. You
have to cut off access to resources, safe havens, and
(03:36):
popular backing. There are ways that you can do that.
There are ways that you can do it that are
really really horrible, false flag operations things like that. If
that's what you wanted to do, you could easily do that.
But I don't think that that's what's going to happen.
Strengthen local governance, build trust in the government through the
reforms and anti corruption efforts, etc. Use high quality sources,
(03:59):
balance its force and persuasion, empower local police and judiciary. Well, Brent,
that doesn't sound like anything that would happen in the
United States of America. No, you're right, that's absolutely true.
It's absolutely true. But we have had insurgencies in the
United States. We have you know how the Democratic Party
(04:19):
was responsible for institutional slavery and how they went about
doing their business when they decided that they were going
to murder Abraham Lincoln and Ensewared and the folks who
were who were out there, you guys remember that, right.
So the stock and trade of the Democratic Party, in
addition to the Ku Klux Klan, was actually to break
(04:42):
off from the United States of America. That's why you
had the Civil War. That's why you had the Civil War.
And so the Civil War between eighteen sixty one and
eighteen sixty five was a rebellion, not a classic insurgency.
I would argue it was probably the second insurgency in
the country because you had the insurgency going on with
Francis Marion and all the stuff that went on with
(05:04):
the American Revolution, the Reconstruction Error resistance, including the rise
of the Ku Klux Klan, had insurgent characteristics, and eventually
that organization was basically broken up, but it was supported
very strongly by Democrats. I mean, all you have to
(05:25):
do is go to go to Woodrow Wilson h and
the fact that you know he was screening all of
these sorts of movies back in the day. Domestic extremist
groups have occasionally used insurgent tactics, but none have sustained
territorial control or popular legitimacy. The reason why they didn't
(05:47):
do that is because you had like something in the
in the form of Bill Ayres, who was a well
known terrorist organization person who was working with the underground,
right with the with the underground during the Vietnam War.
You also saw that there were bombings during the nineteen sixties.
(06:08):
You also saw something else that was very important about
all this as well, which was anybody know what I'm
going to say, which was the assassinations of Martin Luther King,
the assassinations of Malcolm X, the assassinations of RFK and JFK,
the assassinations, the attempted assassinations of Gerald Ford, that all
(06:30):
came out of the left. That was all left wing
terrorism that was going on in that regard. The reason
why you don't see a whole lot of this kind
of stuff is because, well, everything has kind of gone underground,
but it's also at the same time gone into a
very specific region of how this stuff is handled. And
it's the Internet. It's all the stuff that people are
(06:54):
now using in different ways, but that doesn't mean that
they're not terrorists. So how do we counter insurgents. Well,
if you're using the military, you want to do targeted
raids and intelligence led operations. If you want to do
something about the political side, well you have to get
right out in there and persuade people to avoid those
sorts of people. If you want to know about how
(07:16):
it is you fix this in the community, well, community outreach, education,
economic support, and then of course you've got psychological things,
counter narratives, amnesty programs, and then legal prosecution and surveillance
and civil protections. Now, the big question people are asking
is is Antifa an insurgency. Technically it's not. There is
(07:40):
no head of the party, head of the body. This
is something that just goes on and on and on
and on, typically in blue cities. It's a loosely organized
protest movement. It is not a unified armed rebellion, which
makes this thing even more difficult. It lacks territorial control,
a centralized command, or a coherent political platform. But I
(08:02):
do know that inside the walls of government they are
being surveiled, because everybody's being surveiled. If you buy an
airline ticket, you're being surveiled. If you get on a bus,
you're being surveiled. The only pace you're not being surveiled
is the is the the rail here unfortunately, and we
(08:23):
need that, We need them to be surveiled. Most actions
are episodic and symbolic. They're not really trying to build
out a punching bag war sort of a thing. So
what are we going to do? I'm gonna tell you
what we're gonna do, straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
All bad, I I.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
All right. News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine, three WBT.
It's the Brett Wintererbull Show. It's good to be with you.
So I'm just I'm sick and tired of hearing you
know the whole the civil war is gonna break out again. No,
it's not. The reason why it's not gonna happen again
is because people are too busy to have a civil war.
(09:23):
What's gonna happen is we're gonna We're gonna end up
kind of suffering in some ways by these leftists who
are trying to destroy all that is healthy and lovely
and good in the world. Okay, so here, here's what
we've got here. And that was hyperbole. Don't get all nuts,
don't freak out. I'm just trying to explain to people.
(09:44):
Try to keep it even keeled, right, even keeled, or
maybe if you're a if you're a if you're a
fan of Eddie Vedder, we're gonna be even flow here. Okay,
how about that? All right? So this does look like
it's sort of like an insurgency, right You have these
organizations that are being very well funded, and I believe
(10:06):
from what I've been reading, this is funding that is
coming from around the world. Oh, what are you kidding me?
We've got people from around the world funding the insurgency
in the United States right now. Of course, what do
you think, who do you think is funding it? Nobody's
(10:27):
got any money here in the United States, they got
to go with the foreign governments. I am willing to bet.
I'm willing to bet that at a minimum, the people
who are funding these sort of ideological networks, the state sponsorship,
the illicit economies, those are all the ways you get
(10:47):
money to flood it into these people. So it's cash,
maybe it might be it might be some bitcoin in
there somewhere. So the common funding sources would be the
usual suspects. Iran, Russia, Pakistan. They've historically backed insurgent groups
for strategical leverage. Drug trafficking very popular to raise money,
(11:14):
Taliban fark trend de arragua. Right, you've got these groups
that are dealing that kind of stuff. Then you've got
smuggling and extortion, right, black markets, kidnapping for ransom, taxing
local populations. And then you go into these neighborhoods who
might be feeling left out, and you go to the
(11:36):
diaspora donations. Right, ethnic or religious communities abroad sometimes will
fund insurgents out of a loyalty or out of aggrievance.
Now it's not a secret that Europe has changed a
whole lot, and places like New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Minneapolis.
(11:56):
They have also changed a whole lot that that happens
pretty much, you know, on a on a regular basis,
people move in, people move out. And then here is
the circle you want to have on the sheet nngos
and charities because if you go back in time to
the Obama administration and I'm not I'm not slagging Obama.
(12:18):
I'm not going after Obama. But I'm just gonna point
something out to you. If you go back to, uh,
to the Obama administration, back when they that first flow,
that first insane flow of people started coming up into
the United States. Uh, there were all these organizations that
were being funded. Uh. They would they would house them
in churches and things like that. But what they would
(12:40):
do is they would go out and they would they
would get money from the big, bad evil people that
you know by name that I will not say, uh,
and they would say things like yeah, no, no, we're gonna,
We're gonna. Yeah, We're with the Sinfrontetras organization. We're taking
all these people up to Chicago. Has Bola receives funding
(13:02):
from Iran. They also run businesses and charities globally. Isis
they used oils smuggling back in the day antiquity sales.
That's why they were stealing all that stuff when they
were raiding over in Syria, and then extortion to build
their war chest. But when you get to the Antifa
thing here, Okay, this is where we end up with
(13:23):
a difficult sort of connection that can be made. Because
the president wants to say that Antifa is behind all
of these attacks. I don't believe that it's exclusively Antifa.
Maybe Antifa is doing some stuff, but I think that
there are actual, real bad dudes who are behind killing
(13:43):
guys like Charlie Kirk and other people like that. I
think that that is happening. Antifas not centralized. So you
just go buy a black T shirt, you go get
yourself a crowbar and then you start pounding a cop
on a corner, right, Or you go break a window,
you do that sort of stuff. Or you beat up
old people or children, or you beat up conservatives. Right.
(14:07):
It's something they're trying to drive people out of the
public sphere. So what are the funding channels that they've got.
Antifa International they provide bail and legal defense and tactical
gear for activists, weapons, etc. It raises money via Patreon
fund raser or Razor Action Network merchandise sales. There's a
(14:31):
lot of people that want to walk around with shirts
that say kill fascists. I don't know if these people
ever define who the fascists are that they're wanting to kill.
International Anti Fascist Defense Fund. They've got lots of money
and twenty two countries are part of that. Is this
all publicly known stuff? I mean this is you could
read articles about this. The Torch Network, a US based
(14:53):
coalition that directly supports Antifa International for donations, and then
the worst of the worst, right the lawyers that get
in there and they try to help them out and
get them out and all that sort of stuff. There
has to be a strategic insight though, if you want
(15:14):
to try to fix this, if you're building, if you're
building for this, if you're looking at this, how do
you stop any of this? Well, I'll tell you, and
I'll tell you straight ahead.
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