Abdul Bowman, Dr. Marvin Dunn & Brother Obie on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your day
with us again. Later, doctor Sabe's son Abdul will update
us on his brother's situation with ICE's brothers being held
by Ice, also share with us his plans to care
on his dad's work as a healer. Before Abdullah, the
Faith Brothers will check in. Before the Faith Brothers, author,
filmmaker and psychologist doctor Martin Dunn will report on his

(00:23):
fight to block Miami Dade College's plans to donate land
to build a Trump presidential library in Miami. Before doctor
Dundough brother Obi will join us. But before we do
all that, let's get Kevin to open the classroom doors
this Wednesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Grand Rising, Carl Nelson, how are you feeling.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm still learning, brother, I am still learning.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh yeah, that's a perfect position to take, and and
that's how you become a master teacher as well.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, yeah, if you got knowledge, you're supposed to pass
it on. What does it do? If you know something
keep it to yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Man's really cold outside, man, thirty two degrees. Of course,
it's outside we're referring to. And today is the third
of December, so.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
It's a hump day, first hump Day in December.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Button up your overcoat and take care of yourself. And
I think the hump froze though. Man, it's frozen.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Look, Tennessee's special election shows why the GOP should be worried.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, know, what do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, they should be concerned.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
They went all out for this race that the Trump
won in the last election by a huge margin over
Kamala Harris. So now the margin is shrunk. And this
is a deep, very deep, deep red state. And not
only that they campaign hard. He was doing the phone
call zoom meetings, you know, with the folks trying to

(01:58):
get him out, calling some allmakers in the Capitol into
his office, and the White House says, hey, get out,
we got we can't lose Tennessee. Because it's a reflection
of what was going on. It's sort of a litmus
test on the feeling of the American people, have the
American feel about the Republican Party and essence. It was
on him, you know, everything was on him because the
candidate tied himself to Donald Trump and says and even

(02:20):
after he won, he says, this is what you don't
run away from Trump. He run to Trump. That's how
you win, even though he won by a smaller margin.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, yeah, what is it? You're either the fire or
the fire holes in this case. They say that it's
a signal that the reliable Republican voters are growing tired
of President Donald Trump and the Republican Party. Meanwhile, Republican
candidate and veteran Matt Van Epps defeated Democratic state lawmaker

(02:51):
Fton Benn yesterday in the race to replace Republican Representative
Mark Green, who took a private sector job this year.
So and he took that job. I think the underlying story,
in my opinion, must be he was tired of all
of this that's going on with the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
And what do you think of Van Epps? When then
you already.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Said yeah, he won, but you know he wasn't convincingly
for so you out and what you said earlier. They
asked some concerns now about about that win. So we'll
see what happens.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, okay, moving right along.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Then, the Trump administration cancels temporary immigration protections for Haitians.
Their move to end protections for nearly three hundred and
fifty thousand Haitians is the latest example of its strategy
to strength strength rather black and brown immigrant populations. And
I don't know if this is new news, but it's

(03:54):
fresh on the news one website.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Any thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Also, he's also you know, Haiti's on the I think
it's about sixteen or nineteen countries. He's banned for immigrating
to the States. And Haiti's on that list, of course.
And Haiti was on the list before, before there was
a list, Let's put it that way. And what's interesting,
Kevin is is that the Haitian soccer team is qualified
for the World Cup of Soccer was going to be

(04:20):
played here and in Canada and Mexico next year. But
the Haitians supporters who wanted to chair on their team
will not be allowed to come into the country if
they play any of their matches here. The I guess
the governing body may pushed the Haitian matches to Canada
or Mexico to avoid because you know, they're doing their best. Uh,

(04:40):
they're doing their best to to to put it straight,
suck up to Donald Trump and we'll find out more
come Friday. Is another part the village of people they're
going to be seeing the former Friday's World Cup draw Friday,
We're gonna the teams will find out who they're playing. So,
you know, the Village People one of Donald Trump's I
Am one of his favorite songs. So they've enlisted the

(05:02):
Village People to perform there. This is a sidebar. It's
a gig, but so much they're trying to appease Donald Trump,
so you know, and I hope that I hope that
the Village People got a big check for that. So
i'mna leave it right there.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Wait, that's a gig, though I don't know, I do understan.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, but some gigs are not you know, all money
is not good money. Let's put it that way. Oh no, yeah,
not all money is good money. Kevin, you ought to
know that. Just said. It's a gig. It's a gig. No, No,
Sometimes you have to you have to walk away. Sometimes
you have some dignity. Sometimes you have to stay with
your folks. Not all money is good money, but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well, the Trump administration, they're pause of immigration and Applications
includes Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, and like I said,
in other countries under this band imposed this year by
the Trump administration, and the USCIS has considered that this

(06:03):
direction may result in delay to the adjudication of some
pending applications and has weighed that the consequence against the
urgent need for the agency to ensure applicants are vetted
and screened to the maximum degree possible. So it's a
four page policy. And the New York Times first reported
the immigration pause, which applies to both green card and

(06:26):
citizenship applicants. And what's the point of that, You're just
trying to make America what kind of people you know?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Because who who?

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, Because if you look at the list, Kevin, most
of the countries, the mostly black or brown folks on
that list, you.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Know, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, and Somalia, Barundi, Cuba, Lyles, Sierra Leone, Togo, Yeah, Venezuela.
Oh man, the list goes on and on.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah. And finally, let's not take up too much of
brother of his time. What is this thing about the arc?
Day Trump? Trump wants to build an ARC, He wants
to change Dulles Airport. And you were saying some very
fascinating things about Trump there.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, yeah, because he wants to model after the one
in Paris. See that's a landmark in Paris near the
Eiffel Tower on the shallows say, where you go to Paris,
it's it's like you go to New York. Tell you
got to go to see the statue, you know, the
landmarks in any major metropolitan area. So I guess he
he went there. I guest I think he went to Normandy,

(07:37):
I guess or uh, not recently, but at some point
I think he went to Normandy and he probably you know,
they stopped the flight goes into Paris, so he probably
they probably pointed out, you know, some of these landmarks.
So he says, hey, that would look nice. But again
it's part of his personality. And I'm not a psychologist,
but just from just from seeing that Donald Trump he likes.
He's aesthetically you know. That's why he's changing the White

(07:59):
House's he's changing the East wing. Then it's changing what
you see. He wants to change the Air Force one
and he wants to make all these changes. You know,
a lot of style but no substance. It's one of
the things that you know, I'm trying to think of
one of my classes in colleges is most people, if
very rarely you find somebody who's got got style and
substance together or substance society, either one or the other.

(08:20):
You know. So this is what the professor was telling you,
some of the things you remember in school, and I
remember him telling us. He says, folks who are flamboyant
usually have nothing behind it. But the folks who really solid,
they don't have to show. You know, if you're good
at what you do, you don't have to tell people.
This is another trade of Donald Trump. Tell me how
great he is, how good he is. It's the best,

(08:40):
and all these these you know, describing all these elaborate words,
He's the best, he's the number one. He's the only
one that kind of stuff. They're really empty because if
you do that, everybody knows. You know what I'm saying.
Michael Jordan never asked he's a good basketball player. We
already know, so why does he have to say it?
But anyway speaks for him exactly and sold you.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
How many times have you walked down the district, you know,
walking along Pennsylvania Avenue or over there, and said, that's
one thing DC needs is one more landmark, right, you
always say it needs one more name of anyway, he's
going to put this triumphal arch here here in the States,
we call it orange, and he's going to put it

(09:22):
across the Lincoln Memorial Bridge in d C. That's the
one kind of between Virginia and d C. So and
the so called art that Trump would commemorate the country's
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year and is reportedly
being privately funded by Trump's supporters.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
He's got supporters everywhere.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Oh yeah, and they're all got money. But it sees
another thing. He wants to put his name on it,
just like he wants his name on the football stadium
for the Washington Commands. He wants his name on everything. Yeah,
he likes that. Yeah right, they'll probably try to He's
in the airport too, to Trump Airport or something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's what I was about to say.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, but here's another thing we haven't talked about before.
I know, you got to run and we gotta get
brother Obie. But the attack of the hearings now they have,
they're backpedaling about shooting at those alleged drug boats near Venezuela.
I know brother Obi wants to talk about this as well.
Uh yeah, and you know what Hexseth said, He's denied it.
They're throwing everybody on the bus. Trump says he didn't see.

(10:25):
By the way, did you see I don't know if
you saw the press conference? How many times did Trump
closed his eyes? You know, he couldn't stay awake. Oh man,
you google that, you'll see that. But anyway, they're both
backpedaling about they had nothing to do with it before
they didn't.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
You remember Hexas was alleged he said to suit survivors
and he alleged you said to kill him, to kill
them all. He said, say that, you know, oh yeah,
so that yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
The photo, even the photo on the web page shows
a sleepy Trump, you.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Know, and he called sleepy Joe. Any things come around you,
you know, sleepy Joe. And now we got sleepy Donald.
But here's a before we go, Kevin and I hope
brother okay, Alvin Holsley, remember the Navy admiral who resigned
because he knew that what the plan was and the

(11:17):
plan and what was going on. And we're talking about
what's going on in Venezuela, the tax alleged attacks on Venezuela.
Now they're talking about they're talking about and he quit
because he wasn't going to be a part of that.
So that, you know, you just have to connect the
dots right here. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Wow? Man, Well that's the way it is. On the
third of December. We've got Brother Obi right here, and
he thoughts, Brother Obi on the on that, you know
that whole idea.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
I was gonna I was gonna mention that at the
very end. There's a press conference tomorrow, but I have
a very special guest with me today and Rother Carl
is giving me the space to actually conduct an interview. Great,
just waiting to get started, all right.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And have a good morning gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
All right, Brother Obi and brother for the folks you're
here for the first time, just get a little bit
of your background, what you do.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Who you know. I'm a I'm an organizer, of course,
but I'm an African history teacher my thirty fifty year
doing that. I'm a journalist my nineteenth year doing that.
And I'm a children's playwright my fifteenth year doing that.
But so Brother Carl, as usual, thank you for giving

(12:30):
us this platform this morning, and we're going to bring
it home on a local level. We're going to highlight
something that happened on the historic H Street corridor. Those
who have been listeners to WL know that that goes
back to the beginnings. I have with me a beautiful

(12:51):
brother and comrade Antone White, who just opened the clothing
store last Friday and received an outpuor of love from
the city that cannot be described in words. So we
have him here this morning, and he's going to talk
about the hour City movement, but in particular his clothing
line and the store that he just opened. So I

(13:14):
want to welcome my brother and comrade, brother Antoine, who's
very generous with his time this morning. Welcome to the show. Brother,
Thank you for having over, thanks for having me calling.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Hey brother brother on TI him. But your story doesn't
start with the opening of the store. So I need
you to tell people how you got to where you got,
you know, because your story is incredible because a lot
of people have been down the road that you've been,
but they'd never reached the end. They never got a
chance to score the goal like you did. So you know,
I'm gonna let you start.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Well, I was a concentrated in nineteen ninety two. In
ninety four, I was actually sent to a life sentence
for a CCE in Rico on conspiracy. I had done
two months less than thirty years. And from then I
stood up there and actually, you know, I had for
diligence for my freedom. As I came home, I actually

(14:08):
had an agenda. It was all about a movement. So
when I established Harvard City during my thirty years, I
had respected it was two things that scaled over the
race on Burial. That was sports, and everybody loved they city.
So when I came to Ours City, it's not just
about DC, It's about all urban cities. So it's like

(14:28):
my mission is, I was getting tired of people, Well, candidates,
politicians will always sit up there in anthems, certain problems.
We got to sit up there and you know, create solutions.
So when I came to Ives City, I always stay
our people, our problem, our solution, our responsibility, and you know,

(14:50):
we have to thrust back and bring the neighbors back
to the hood so we can have neighborhoods again, we
can have communities because right now, by DC being genified,
uh you know, eradicated every level of a community.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
I want you to hold that thought there because we
got to step aside, uh, brother Antoine and brother Obi.
We got to take our first. But when we come
back though, because I still want to get the origin
how this started, because this was birth while you were incarcerated.
And my question to you, could this have been done?
Do you think you could have achieved and saw that
vision if you were not incarcerated, if you were still
on the streets, or take the incarceration because you know

(15:28):
a lot of folks, a lot of folks, Well, we
have some folks. In fact, we have a group of
brothers who listen to us who are incarcerated out in
California right now. They've they've got a hot phone of
it they call it what they call it phone, those phones,
but anyway, and now they use a tablet and listen
to the program every every morning. Every now and then
they send me a shout out. They're in captivity, as
they claim, and there and they're and they're aspiring to

(15:50):
do great things when they get out. And the question
I asked them, when a question I ask you, could
you do you think you could have achieved what you
achieved today without being incarcerated. I want you to share
with us, and also especially for the brothers who were
in captivity. Family seventeen minutes off the top. There you
can join our conversation, Brother Obie, Brother Antoine. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next

(16:12):
and Grand Rising family. Thanks are waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning. It's it's a hump day. Brother
Obie's brought listen, He's brought a guest, a brother Antoine,
and he started a successful business on h Street in Washington,
d C. But that's the end part of the journey.
You want to give us a little bit of the
backstory how he got there, because so many people are
in the same position as you, brother Antoine. And so

(16:34):
my question to you before we left the break was
could have this could the idea that you had while
you're in captivity? Could could you have done that while
you were outside?

Speaker 7 (16:44):
Well?

Speaker 6 (16:44):
I don't think so, because I think my experners at
Homie been in prison.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
I was ejected.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
I felt alone, you know, It's like it was a
great deal of despair. So when I reflect it back,
I wanted to be the champion that I need it
doing my conserration. So it's like our city is not
just a clothing line, it's actually a platform, it's a marketing,
it's an advocacy more so for people like me who's

(17:10):
in prison, for people like me as actually in the
hoods who actually need something beyond beyond themselves, because we
do need a champion. Again, we need to like readdress
politicians and make them really actually you know, own up
to their words of our for our votes. So you know,

(17:31):
I'm I'm more lnt event more so with the guidance
up Obie to actually use my platform to actually be
you know, our advocacy, you know, not just for the people,
for all people.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
But a brother Carl, brother Antoine is being humble. The
quality of these clothes are amazing. So brother tone, what
I wanted you to do real quickly, we'll connect us
back to the organizing and the advocacy. Where why and
when did you start developing the clothing line and.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
White clothes and white clothes, brother, and white clothes first,
because because you could have dealt anything.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
Everyone loves styles and a lot of times that I
implement values of character on my clothes, and everyone loves
clothes so it's like, I actually believe that clothing also
scales the barrier of racism. Everyone loves style. So it's like,
that's my meaning of Actually, they had movement. They have

(18:35):
movement to my clothes. It's not just about the color
and the ships. They have movement to it.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
That's my way of articulating, you know, my programming, articulate
my movements through my clothes.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
So you're saying you speak through your clothes.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, say that, brother Karl, and listen, brother Karl.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
No, he responding because I question what he just said.
I said, he speaks. You know people, people use different
instruments to speak through his clothing.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
And m hm.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
So, brother Anton, I'm understanding the legacy of fashion in
this city. Some people will instinctively think of the Madness
Shop or All Days or Planet Chocolate City. But in
watching the quality of your clothes, I started thinking that
Jeffrey Banks, who many people considered the father the fashion

(19:39):
in DC, working with Ralph Lauren, working with Calvin Klein.
So I just wanted to praise you for the quality
of your clothes because it's the skill and but you
have blended fashion entrepreneurship and community organizer. So I wanted
you to discuss your atonement program in DC jail and

(20:00):
the battle Rap event that you had last year in
the southeast section of the city that brought out thousands
of people.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
Well, my Atona project over the jail is actually a
valid invention program. But the actually the key, the basis
of my program is curacter development and really installing emotional intelligence.
I feel that the average prisoner, the emotional IQ is

(20:29):
real subpower. So and a lot of people speaks about
the valent intervention and you know they target neighborhoods, but
the neighborhood actually is produced twelve twelve murders out of
a hunting. As far as the emotional the lack of
emotional intelligence, you know, census violence is produced over forty percent.

(20:52):
So if we can stop the census violence in the
city which out of the city and an Atona project
actually have them, I believe that we actually you know,
we went over you know, the violence in the city
because you will stop least forty percent if we raised
the IQ emotionally.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
With individuals.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
And so that's really my aim over to jail, to
sit up there and decrease the violence and produce character development.
So that's what my atonement project as far as my
set violence movement go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
No, the battle raps in it was amazing because you
please just talk about us.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
Well, the battle rap was actually a co promotion with
my daughter ray kel Gardner. She have an I Society
Battle League. Actually, that's so in the DMV area. She's
she's the top manager in the area. And what she does,
she brings, you know, battles from all over the DMV
area and elsewhere, sometimes from the South. But what they does,

(21:56):
they sit up there in stage and they bent, they
vent without the physical violence and the phenomenon of the
crowd that it produced. So it's like it brings not
just over or the community, it'll be cohesiveness as far
as other cities come together.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Also, you mentioned earlier there are some core principles that
you have used the clothing line as a springboard to
project and propagate. What are those principles and why did
you choose those?

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Well, one of the principle's characters, I believe that character
alone will guarantee you at home in heaven. You know
a lot of people sit up there and use faith
and project faith in their religion. You know, I don't
dispute that, but it's all about your characters, because I
don't see how a person to have religion and lack

(22:54):
the basis of a sound character that is conducive.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
To uplifting humanity.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
Also, I use was integrity integrity. A lot of people
like the anthemlogy, But integrity, it's all about you. It's
all about your conduct. And then our base things on morality.
You know, it's like, you know, we have to have
a more compass to do the things that is right.
So these are these are just a few other foundations

(23:21):
of my Irish City Credo. So it's like, you know,
I always people ask me what do credo mean? And
credo mean is the belief, the guide and belief in principle.
And I believe that he's individuals should have a guid
in belief in principle, and hopefully with my clothes that
I be that guy in tous.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
All right, family is just waking up twenty eight minutes
after the top day. Our brother Obi's brought a guest
with him this morning, his brother Antoine. He's got an
incredible story how he started in captivity. Now he's building this, uh,
this clothing line and it's based in Washington, d C.
On Hient Street. So brother, brother Obi, I let you
finish it, you know, with sharing the his experiences because

(24:01):
already I got two people said that it was really
so far what they've heard is very inspirational. And this
is part of what we're trying to do that if
brother Antoine can do it, you can do it. And
he got his the brain channels when he was sitting
behind bars and he came up with this idea. So
if those of you are not behind bars, you're free
to come up with anything and do it. But brother

(24:22):
and Antoine tell us about because you know it starts
Starn the business Anton Starn a business he usually takes capital,
takes money. How did you get across that hurdle?

Speaker 6 (24:34):
Well, actually I have I have a sponsors, I have
people who believe in me. I have actually my wife
actually believed in So it's like it was more so
a donaged like being in prison. I started all selling
T shirts and putting my message on T shirts. Then
it's scale actually to sweat Hoods, but ultimately it scaled

(24:56):
to Jackets. Was my Jackets was actually it was the
new because of my brand, everybody loved my jackets. I
was telling my jackets for four or five hundred dollars
and you know, I had put a wave. But like
you were saying, I want people and concerrated. Don't use
this obsession of the time to actually, you know, become dejected.

(25:19):
Don't become a casualt of your setback. Believe in your
believe in the freedom. I had a life center without parole,
and you know I believed and I dreamed about my freedom.
You have to you have to dream and you have
to believe in it. And I believed in my freedom
and going hold, I'm not going to stay it like this,

(25:39):
but it dropped right out of the sky. I had
a media release in twenty twenty two, so actually now
I can actually really birth my hour city and you know,
from then on, you know, it was it was frustrating
at times, but you know I'm here now with a
store off Ah Street thirteen forty two A street and
off and it's dunstantly growing.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
I just got a tweet here at thirty minutes after
the top of the Our Family that's that's on tour
with us and brother Obie Tweeter wanted to know what
way you incarcerated for and how long?

Speaker 6 (26:15):
Well, I was a conserrated for thirty years, too much
less than thirty, so that makes you know it wasn't
a complete thirty year package. I was in concilerated for
being a leader of a CP and the Rico Act
of a conspiracy to distribute drugs in nineteen ninety two.
I was found guilty in ninety four, and actually I

(26:36):
was also charged with up crimes, but actually a lot
of them was actually hung Jersey. But I was sentenced
to a life sentence for the basic distribution of drugs
with the one hundred and one ratio era. What freed me,
what actually freed me was the fair sentence and Act,

(26:58):
staying that the one hundred and won racier. It was
racist and unconstitutional.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
All right, brother antone, you're about to start begin entering
the podcast streets where the fire that decision?

Speaker 6 (27:18):
Well, my podcast is that actually it's actually being birth
based upon I see that d C in the DMV
areas actually overlook the talent. We have a flood of
talent in the city, but actually we be overlooked. And
I believe that the media, the media is actually a
way of actually to value our talent in the city.

(27:39):
So that's where my podcast is actually injured. And more
so it inspired me to become a podcaster. You know,
I see a lot of people use their podcast actually
for negative and you know, blast me the next I
don't want that. I want to be able to upscale
our talent and let the world see DC is beyond

(28:01):
just the politics that the world showed or just you know,
the subpart city that the people could so upon through
other people media's and aspect. I want the people to
see the academic for the city, the music of the city.
I want people just to see the town.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Last year, brother Anto, you're co defendant Eric Hicks, and
I had the honor of playing a small part in it.
We organized a form the first forum in history where
we dealt with drugs and guns throughout this hemisphere. Through
your networking, we were able to get freeway Rick Ross.

(28:44):
We had the Nicaraguan ambassador to the United States of
Venezuelan diplomat and our sisters and brothers in Mexico, Honduras
and Colombia using the springboard at Washington, d C. Which
is how we began our correspondence five years ago. What
made you desire to take DC is a springboard and

(29:07):
put it on the world stage focusing on the issue
of that magnitude.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Just like I expound earlier over, our city is not
just about d C. It's about all urban cities. All
urban cities actually is going through the same injustice that
DC is going through. So it's easy for me to
relate outside of DC. And my thing is is our people.

(29:32):
That's actually the core value of our city. It's our people.
So our problem, our solutions are the thing. I believe
that if we all come together for a solution and
correct these problems, then we have to bring back the
neighbors to the neighborhood. So you know, that's where I
say people missed informed thinking our city is just about DC.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
It's just was born in DC, and it is about
urban city because every urban city has actually been devastated
by the injustice of a system.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
While you were incarcerated, Brother Antoine, you also were able
to highlight another phenomenal skill you have. You developed a
writing open letter campaign and you targeted the National Conference
of Black State Legislators, the National Conference of Black Lawyers,
National Bar Association, highlighting incarceration and your writing ended up

(30:37):
at Alabama State University through a brother, doctor Robert White,
who teaches criminal justice there at a time where the
state of Alabama has two hundred and seventy prisons, more
people incarcerated in Alabama than in India and China. How
did it make you feel to see that writing campaign

(30:58):
bear that type of food and be used in the HBCU.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
It actually inspired me. But when I wrote them letters,
I was definitely in pain. I was definitely seeking help.
It's like like the majority of prisoners right now, they
need help, they seek help, but you know it's like
some people pens don't even reach you know, actually people
that they're trying to reach out to that they have

(31:25):
my outbea they don't have our pen actually been played
with ink for nothing in prison. So, like I told you,
I want to become that champion I needed when I
was in prison. So when I wrote that letters ORB,
I wrote it from a scale of pain. I wrote
a scale of beings ejected. So it's like it felt
good actually that you know, Professor Fight actually intercepted my

(31:50):
letter and actually you helped, you know, you know, publish
my letter. So when it became worldwide and was actually
published on your world news. You know, I was inspired
to really like burk Our City and there I'm gonna
be a platform, all.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Right, Fella's hold that thought right there. We gotta check
the news, and we're gonna check the news and sport
some weather in different cities twenty four minutes away from
the top of our family. I guess his brother Obi,
he's brought along with a guest for himself and brother
Antonin telling his incredible story. Brother Anteton, I got a
tweet question for you, A tweter wants' if you're working
with the Nation of Islam And we come back here
and answer that. And I'm sure brother Obie's got a

(32:31):
bunch of questions for you as well. Family YouTube can
join our discussion. Reach out to us at eight hundred
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Family in Facts are waking up with us on this
Wednesday morning, another hump day, the first hump day of December.
I guess his brother Obi's interviewing Brother Antona has an
incredible story making it all the way from captivity now

(32:53):
to be a successful businessman in Washington, d C. Before
we go back to it, let me just remind you.
Coming up later this morning, we speak with doctor to
save his son, Abdul. He'll be here also, the Faith
Brothers are going to check in. But before we get
to the Faith Brothers, we're gonna speak with doctor Marvinton.
He's a psychologist, a filmmaker, he's an author and in
Miami and he's finding a Miami Dade County college. They've

(33:15):
planned to donate some land to build the Trump the
Trump Presidential Library. So he's going to tell us his story.
And coming up today went Connor. Tomorrow we're gonna hear
from the Master Teacher himself. Brother Asho Aquasi will be
here also, Chairman Fred Hampton will join us, and Nubian
Leadership Circles. Brother Sadiki Butacahan will also be here. So
if you're in Baltimore, make sure he keep it ready

(33:36):
tied into ten ten WLB or if you're in the
DMV round fourteen fifty WL. All right, brother, and tell
the tweeter wanted to know if you work with the
Nation of Islam, and I know ob he's got a
bunch of questions for you as well.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
So I'm not a member of the Nations of Islam,
but however I did work with Aaron Muhammad. He's a
supreme captain throughout the United States with the four I
had to have work with him. In fact, he actually
accompanied me inside the jail for.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
My Atoma project.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
All right, brother Obi, Yeah, Brother Antome is one of
the best writers of our generation. And when we first
started corresponding about five years ago, he told him, and
he was very humble how he received it that I
truly felt that his writing was an extension of George

(34:33):
Jackson's writing. So I wanted him and he also recently
he's very particular who he honors. He chose to use
his platform to honor our fallen comrade Jamil l Amine
formerly known as h rav Brown. So I wanted them
to talk real quickly about George Jackson's influence on his
writing and why he chose to pay homage to Jamil

(34:55):
el Amine.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
Well, George Jesson actually was a a spiritual figure for
me in prison, and I related more so with his
writings with his struggle as far as not just in conservation,
but with his paternal you know, hardship. So when when
I read George and it became introduced to George. It's

(35:19):
like I saw a lot of myself. I saw a
lot of my cries. So my letter actually was a letter,
actually a write because I never thought that I had
the talent to write. My letters was a cry. My
letter was a cry. It was a plea for help.
And when I was shot down on the First Sentence Act,

(35:39):
which I later appealed and won, I wrote everywhere. I wrote,
almost every nucleus of media. I wrote. Actually the Black
Lawyers Association just was writing. And actually my letter was
a plea. It was a cry. So it really like
astound me when I sit up there and actually was

(35:59):
getting fed back more so about my letter about the
unconstitutionality of what I was writing about, and I was
like wow, it was like it gave me hope and
it gave me a new charge. So it's like people
in prison were looking to the show right right right,
Try to sit up there, whether whether it's actually you know,

(36:22):
you know, you get any response just right, because that's
what you're getting out your system. And you know, I
believe in God. So the spersuality, you know, it's gonna
move you and you're gonna be blessed, you know, because
we have to, we have to put our labor into it.
So as far as h Brown, he was a phenomenon.

(36:43):
He was a figure of an example. When you came
across him and he spoke, he spoke with such courage,
such you know, like like found faith and you know,
he was an inspiration.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
So when he.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
Failed, it was just another one of our champions who actually,
you know, believe in his race, believe in the struggle,
believe in his people. And you know, sadly that it's
more so that he didn't have much time to actually
advocate who he is and what he's about.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
All right, how I thought right there, two off away
from the top of our family, Brother Antoini is on
with brother Obi. Incredible story here and folks want to
talk to brother Brother antoon Anir is calling from Washington,
DC's online three Grand Rising an on with Brother Obi
and Brother Antoine.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Brother Obie. At the very beginning of the Joe, you
were talking about gentrification and you started to say that
we didn't have certain things in the city. Before you
got cut off for the commercial. I was wondering if
you could go back and express your views about gentrification

(37:54):
and about local politics, but in the city. But could
you first talk about what your views are as far
as what has happened to the city was being gentrified,
and then talk about what you feel about what's going
on with the local politicians, mayor and the award for
people or for the award people I've been saying award

(38:16):
council members. All right, thanks, Yeah, that was that was
That was my brother antone talking, So you can go
ahead and answer that one brother zone. Yeah, I was
talking to Antime.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Okay, gentrification actually, like it's like I said, it's blockade
more so of the development in the city. It took
so much out the city. When I came home, I
noticed that the schools no longer have vocational programs. Everyone
is not an academic. And when I speak about you know,

(38:51):
there's no neighbors in the hood no longer before mind conservation. Well,
when you know, when we come home from school, if
our parent wasn't home, we actually can sit with our
neighbors until our parents come home. That's no longer. That's
not longer of reality. So it's not just about the gentrification.

(39:12):
And you know in the city that for the neighborhood
is devastating the whole city, because most of our politicians
don't even live in the city. You know, they might
have an address in the city, but they don't even
live in the city. They commute outside the city, and
they no longer from DC. A majority of our politicians

(39:32):
not from DC. So when you speak about you know
the relations of d C and you know don't even
know the orders of d C, there's no compatibility with
our politics.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
All right, brother, we have another question for.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
This is my final question for Brother Anton. She also
brought attention to some and very important when I was
having a conversation with him at the celebration of his opening.
He talked about the fact that when people get businesses
off the ground, they talk about empowerment, but they don't

(40:14):
identify resources within our community amongst our people to get
the process off the ground. So he made a concerted
effort to identify people in our community, of our generation,
that represent our culture, that represent our experience. I wanted
to know why he was so deliberate in letting that known.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Well, you know, like you said, we lost the culture
in DC. When you actually go into there's no more
mom and pop stores in the city. It's really actually
not too many black owned, you know, entities. So it's
like I have a neighboring. I'm on a street and
I have a neighboring Hispanic shop that when I went

(41:01):
in questions, they don't even live in DC. I went
across the street and to you know, the air rap
you know development, they don't live in d C. So
a lot of times our money that's not being circulated
or reinvested back in the communities, it's taken away from
d C. So it's like we would never have an

(41:23):
upgrade of you know, entrepreneurs and all that when we
don't have no models. So it's like it was important
to me to you know, to sit up there and
establish residents of my business on a street because not
just for the historical, you know, aspect of it, but
it's to sit up there and contend and let people

(41:45):
see that we do have black owned businesses and we're
willing to scale black owned business and encourage it.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
But yeah, brother Tom, But I meant in terms of you,
the labor, the labor that you hired, and the people
that work behind the scenes, you made a concerted effort
to make sure that they look like us. And I
wanted try to share with the audience while you felt
that was so important.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
It was important because this this actual development company was
called re Arrange Rearranged Development. They actually was black owned
and you know, black employed. So it's like it was
important to me to hire them versus Hispanics because with
the Hispanics, we'll never get that money back. One thing
that I admire about them, they circulate, they funds and

(42:35):
you know, their vocation with each other. So it was
important to me to actually employ this black owned businesses
because I'm black owned, and you know, I feel that
we need to start investing with each other. We need
to start supporting each other again.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
All Right, it sticks away from the top of this
and go ahead, brother will be.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
No brother Carl. Before we left, I just wanted to,
like I promised you, I wanted to just mention and
I want to thank you for posting it because I
know that you're going to I wanted to end by
just highlighting the press conference that we're having tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
All right, yeah, tell us about that because Donald Trump,
now that the word, you know, you never can tell
what's real and what's the memo rex on the internet,
but the word is that he's possibly going to say
ground troops into Venezuela, if you've heard that exactly.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
And I have.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
A fifteen year history of working with the Bolavarian Republic
of Venezuela, the people in revolution of Venezuela. But because
it's a press conference, I'm just going to tell people
who they're going to hear tomorrow. You're going to hear.
Venezuela's main diplomat on the African continent is Excellency Ambassador

(43:56):
haesu's Chucho Garcia, who is currently stationed in Benin, but
he's Venezuela's representative to the African Union and he was
the one who shaped their Africa policy in terms of
the continent, but the diaspora as well, because if you
know anything about Venezuela, the Africans in Venezuela identify with

(44:18):
the europa culture of Nigeria. So he'll be speaking tomorrow.
He's one of their most seasoned, advanced diplomats. But he'll
be joined by our sister who used to be the
first secretary to their embassy in Washington, Favo Marquez, who
is now the second advisor to the National Assembly. That's

(44:40):
the equivalent of the United States Congress or the Senate.
But she's also the spokeswoman for afro Cumbe. And what
afro Cumbe is, that's the movement within Venezuela that promotes
the African identity and African personality. And if you've been
focusing on Venezuela and their role in promoting the African personality,

(45:01):
they're the first nation in the Americas to say that
our people of African descent need to call themselves that
we don't need to say where African, American, Black, American,
Afro Caribbean, Afro Latino. Let's just say we're African descendants
for the purpose of uniting over two hundred million Africans

(45:23):
in the Western Hemisphere, North America, South America, Central America,
Latin America, and the Caribbean. So they're going to be
speaking specifically to every aspect of what has been going on,
and not just with the Trump administration, but from the
moment that their revolution prevailed. So they're going to be
doing that at one thirty tomorrow. All the information on

(45:47):
the is on the flyer house. It's a webinar's platform,
but it is a press conference on April thirtieth, and
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Brother Carl.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
You were part of an initiative if we created called
the Shirley Graham du Boys William Worthy Media and Friendship Collective,
which is to get media outlets from all over the
Western hemisphere. So tomorrow is our first press conference in
that capacity. So that's what we're going to deal with.
And the theme is Thenezuela speaks to Mother Africa and

(46:17):
their Children. So that's tomorrow one thirty East Coast tar.
You can check Brother Carl's Facebook page. He's going to
post that. But my Instagram is at Obi e g
b u n a one five. My ex formerly Twitter
is at j R e g b u na and
Obi e g b u n a one five at Gmail.

(46:39):
But I wanted Brother Antoine just to go over the
business hours of our city when he is open, so
you all can go there and give the franchise the
support it deserves.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
All right.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I hold that thought right there because we've got to
step aside and get caught up with the traffic and
within it at different cities. So we'll do that when
we come back, and Brother Obie also explain to to
the family. It's all the alleged attacks from threatened attack
on Nigeria and Veniceuela. Is it all about the oil
that they have? I'll let you explain that when we
get back as well.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Families.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I mentioned there's two minutes away from the top day out.
We got to check the traffic and weather or not
different cities. Then we come back with Brother Obie, Brother Antoine.
We'll do that next and grand Rising family, thanks for
starting your Wednesday with us. Moment tale we speaking with DODR,
Doctor Dunn, DOCTR, MAFVN Dunnet and down in Miami. But
right now we we were spoken with Brother Obie and
also Brother Antoine. And I think the question was Brother
Obie if he could give us the address the times

(47:31):
the story is open on H Street.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah, all right, you.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Want to give the address to the store and you're
opening hours hours of operation.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I think he may have left us, all right. I
think he's gone, Brother Obie. Okay, so real quick because
we have Dr Marvin done on deck coming up. Uh
And my question to you these are threat assault on
Venezuela and Nigeria. Is it all because of the oil

(48:09):
of these both of these countries have.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Well from a geopolitical standpoint, that is the resource that
the country is blessed with, Yes, but it goes way
beyond that. When the Bay of Pigs invasion on Cuba
failed in nineteen sixty one and the blockade was imposed
on Cuba in nineteen sixty.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Two, President John F.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Kennedy said, what makes Cuba a threat to our interest
in the Americas is not even their ability to maintain
their revolution, but the inspiration that they give to others
to follow, their courageous to follow their example. So when
you look at what happened to Salvador Allende in Chile

(48:54):
in nineteen seventy three, to see how the CIA attactive
government for that reason. Ten years later, our beautiful brother
Maurice Bishop, at the age of thirty nine, the same
age as Brother Malcolm and Doctor King, was snatched away
from us when the Reagan administration invaded for the same
reason Nicaragua the San Denista victory. The reason that crack

(49:19):
cocaine was introduced to our community was to generate in
the additional capital to overthrow the Sandinista Revolution at a
time where the Nicaraguan nation had the largest African population
in Central America, and when brother Antone and I first
started working together and he wanted to deal with the

(49:40):
drug question. I told him that we never have sat
down with the Nicaraguans to amplify that point. So, yes,
oil is the resource that Venezuela possesses, and of course
this is the reason why Morales was overthrown in Bolivia.
So any nation in the Americas that takes a socialist
ques or socialist direction, and in the case of Venezuela,

(50:03):
their revolution has that nationalist and pan Africanist character. If
Chavez walked down the street of h Street, you would
think he was a light skin relative of yours. As
we say in DC, we'd call him red Hugo, light
skin Hugo. That's how we refer to each other when
we deal with complexion dynamics. And as you remember, Brother

(50:23):
car he talked about look at his African lips, look
at his African nose, look at his wooly hair. And
Nicholas Morduro has also stressed the African personality. So Venezuela
is not a threat just because of their oil, but
because of their decision to be a socialist nation, but
because of their nationalist and pan Africanis approach. To their

(50:45):
socialist revolution. That's why they are threat I'm speaking in
generalities because I don't want to divert attention away from
this incredible press conference we have coming up tomorrow, where
once again you will hear from his excellency, Ambassador Hasten's
Future Garcia, Venezuela's representative to the African Union station in
Beneen and the spokeswoman for the African Descendant Movement in

(51:10):
Venezuela called April Kombe, the honorable frob and Marquez Silva,
and both of them identify as African before anybody begins
to ask that. When we're off, so that'll be tomorrow
at one point thirty, Brother Karl will post the information
on his Facebook page and we look forward to seeing
all of you there.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
All right, Thank you, brother Obie, thank you, Brother Anton,
and congratulations and good luck.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Brother.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Name is Antone and.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Antone, Thank you all right, family, Wen move on eight
after the top of the our incredible person coming up
next to my good friend, Rodney Baltimore Hot one oh
five in Miami, says anything you want to know about
black Miami, this is the person you need to talk to.
His name is doctor Marvin Dunn. He's a historian, he's
an author, he's a filmmaker also psychologist, Doctor Dunn grand Rising,

(52:02):
welcome to the program.

Speaker 8 (52:04):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
And I just mentioned some of the things that my
brother Rodney told me about you. But just give us
a thumb, a little bit of your background. This is
sort of an initiation process on this program.

Speaker 8 (52:16):
Sure well, I was born in Florida. Eighty five years ago.
I finished Morehouse College and went to the Navy for
about seven years the naval officer. Came back, got my
degree in psychology from the University of Tennessee, and came
to Miami in nineteen seventy two and began working at

(52:38):
the university excuse me, working at Florida International University for
thirty six years. And during that time my special focus
ventist was racism, race conflict, and ultimately lynching and race violence.
I've done a lot of work in those areas, particularly
on lynching in Florida, and basically that's that's that's that's

(53:02):
been my activity. I'm also an author of several books.
In fact, to have one coming out in just a
few weeks. I wrote a book for middle school kids
in Florida on the history of blacks in Florida. You
may know that we're having a lot of trouble here
in our state with our governor and the legislature suppressing
the teaching of black history. So much of our work

(53:26):
lately has been trying to teach black history through means
that would allow the subject to be taught getting around
the state government.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
You know, we'll have you back to talk about that
fight that's going on, But you've got another issue dealing
with right now with Miami Dade. Miami Dade College, Can
you share that with the audience, doctor don oh Yes.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
Miami Day College, which is the largest community college in
the country. Their vot of trustees back in September passed
of motion to give land worth sixty seven million dollars
to the Trump Library Foundation for Donald Trump to build
his President's or Library on the most expensive land in

(54:13):
downtown Miami. Were just given to them but nothing being
asked in return. And the President intends to build a
fifty five story building to contain condos or luxury condos, hotel,
and other structures commercial structures on that property. And I

(54:34):
resented that most people in Miami present this. We do
not want a Donald Trump Monument fifty five story condo
building on our doorstep. In fact, a local pole was
done a few weeks ago that showed that seventy four
percent of the people in Miami Dade County do not
want our land given to the Trump President's library. Even

(54:57):
fifty nine percent of Republicans Miami don't want our land
given to Donald Trump for his library. And yet it
appears if that's going to happen. I found a loss
back in September to stop this, and the judge greed
with me and has put an injunction on the giving
way of the land to the Trump Foundation. So we're

(55:20):
now expecting to go to trial on this matter in August.
Just yesterday, the Nimi Dade College Board of Trust tried
again and did in fact pass again in motion to
give the land away. In spite of the racist public
audience saying don't do it. They voted to do it
again anyway. But the lawsuits that I filed is not

(55:41):
going away. We will stay the course with these but
this issue until the court decides that they can do it,
and I don't think the court's going to make.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
That determination, all right, just joined us, I guess you
Dotor Marvin Dunn, as you mentioned, this was one of
these strong brothers that we have in Miami County, Bami
Dave County as a historian, an author, a filmmaker, a psychologist,
several books. Wanting to come back and talk about that
book later on. But this fight with this Trump Presidential Library,
doctor Don, is it because of location or you just

(56:13):
don't think it should be built anywhere in Miami Dade.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
Well, it's the fact that the land's being given to
the to the President's foundation is the main, main opposition.
And yes, the fact that it is the most extensive
and most prominent land in downtown Miami, and people here
just don't want a Trump building with the name Trump
and blazon at the top welcoming people into our city. Frankly,

(56:38):
my view is that that land should not be given
to any former president, shouldn't be given to Obama. But
yet that's what we're facing. Yesterday. The meeting was useless, meaningless.
They listened to eighty people and then with no discussion,
took the same boat they did before. And so then
moving ahead, let me just add one thing that night,

(57:00):
the Trump president of the Library Foundation is three people.
Three people, Eric Trump, his wife Laura, and some dude lawyer.
That's it. That's who they're giving our land to. So
we're going to fight this all the way to the
to the end.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Wow thirteen after Tom to the residence of Miami Dade
County to know that there's only three people on this
on this foundation that want to give And that's one question.
Two questions who owns the land? Is it owned by
the city, the school or or the county?

Speaker 8 (57:33):
Oh owned The land is owned by Miami Dade County,
by Miami Dade College. The land belongs to the college.
The college is giving it back to the state so
that the santas our government can give it to Trump.
And yes, most people don't know that the Trump Presidents
or Library Foundation are just to be people. People don't
know that this is really a gift to the to
the Trump family. They will make millions of dollars on

(57:56):
this property. The commercial value of the property is then
ass made it three hundred million dollars. Must they developed it?
So why is this gift being given to Trump by
by the state of Florida except as a political gift
to appease Trump. Uh. So we're going to fight this
as far as we can take it.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Fifteen other topic a doctor Dunn. But doesn't Donald Trump
own property in Miami? I know in Florida. I know
he's got where he lives now up in West Palm
Beach and.

Speaker 8 (58:28):
Yeah, hes just the golf course in Durriael. He also
owns popperty Lur Lagu. But he is the only thing
in Miami. He ols nothing in Miami at all. This
is an attempt to get a commercial development on the
most expensive property downtown Miami. And that's that's what we're
fighting against.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
And we're kind up on breaking and when we come back,
I'll let you explain this to the dynamics of Miami,
because most of the listeners don't know the dynamics of Miami.
Miami right now is predominantly Cuban, if you will, or
predominantly Hispanic, and they voted that way in the last election.
Does this have anything to do? Do you think because
they want to appease Donald Trump? I know, he's just
some of the Venezuelans are having a bier's remorse of

(59:10):
supporting Donald Trump down there. Do you think this is
the political aspect of it? Because you mentioned the members
of the Miami Dade College voted approved, board voted to
give this land to Donald Trump. And if you can
tell us the makeup of those if you know where
they are, are they Hispanic?

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Is?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I guess my question is the whole political Hispanic deal
the many violations. Who don't live or don't know what's
going on in South Florida, you can share that with us. Family.
You two can join our conversation with our guests. Doctor
Marvin Donald's one of our smart brothers in Miami Davis.
Tell you if you want to find out what's going
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need to talk to. You could reach him this morning
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

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six and we'll take your phone calls after this short break.
Thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning, hum Day.
Thank you for just checking in. Our guest is Dr
Marvin Done. Doctor donis psychologists, a filmmaker, he's an author
historians in Miami Dade and he's opposing the building of
the Trump Presidential Library on some land, as he mentioned,
owned by the Miami Dade College. And this is where

(01:00:13):
the fight started. But doctor Dunn. Before we left the break,
I was asking about the racial dynamics of South Florida
and Miami Dade era because watching the elections, they said
the Miami Dade was once blue and they flipped to red.
Explain how this plays all into this fight for the
president of the Trump Presidential Library on the Miami Dade

(01:00:33):
College campus. Hello, yeah, doctor don did you hear the question.

Speaker 8 (01:00:40):
I did not hear the question. Please repeat it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah, Okay, The question was, you know, explain the racial
dynamics of that area in South Florida and Miami Dade
County because you know, during the election, they were all
excited because they said Miami Dade County was once blue
and somehow to flip red. Is this an appeasement? This
is the new Republicans want to show their love for
Donald Trump where they want to build the Presidential Library

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on the Miami Dade College campus.

Speaker 8 (01:01:08):
Let me be a part of it, but let me
be very clear, Donald Trump has lost support among Hispanics
here in Miami because of his immigration policies. There's a
lot of backing back away from Trump because of this.
So I think the effort to put that library on
this campus would have gone forward anyway, but it's been

(01:01:31):
over I think stated how much support Trump has in
Miami Dade County. This is really a blue county. In fact,
in order to prevent us from resisting this library being
in Miami Dade County, the governor had a law passed
as the legislation that prevented any city or county in
Florida to have anything to say about presidential libraries. That

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was to cut out in the opposition to the library
being placed in a blue county. But we are resisting anyway.
But they're trying everything they can to rally Hispanic support,
particularly in a lot of the fact that Trump seems
to be losing support. Maybe not so much among Cubans,
but I suspect even there, but certainly among other uh
Hispanic immigrants here in Miami Dade County here lately, especially

(01:02:15):
in Venezuela's this was going on the Trump and Maduro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, and a question too the makeup of the school board.
The college school or Miami Day College School board, a
mostly Hispanic voted to to have the library builts on
the campus.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
That is an excellent question. The Board of Trustees of
Miami Dade College has seven members They're all Hispanic. There's
no diversity on that on that board, and they were
all appointed by DeSantis, our governor, uh and they reflect
the governor's point point of view. All Hispanics, No blacks,
no whites on that board board at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I don't know what to say. I'm so lost for
WORDSK you know, how how did that happen? What happened
is is there is there a migration issue in that era.
Are any black? So why should living in Miami Dade County?

Speaker 8 (01:03:06):
Well, black people are leaving Miami. My own son moved
to Oklahoma just a couple of years ago. We are losing,
particularly the black professional class. There's a sense, I think
among young black people here in Miami that this is
not a place for them. But if you don't speak
Spanish or have a certain political point of view, you

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will not make it here in Miami. So we're losing
of black people. The city in Miami now is probably
about eighty percent Hispanic, not all that is Cuban. The
other twenty percent or so is maybe twelve percent black,
and then maybe less than ten percent white. So this
is basically a count in the city in which we

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are losing black people because of the sense of not
being comfortable in this community anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Twenty five on the top there with doctor Morby done,
doctor Dunn, doctor claud and told me one of the
he wrote the first, I guess, the first affirmative action
measure in the country. Uh ruben Ascue was a governor.
He was working for ruben Ascue, and he said, the
sisters worked on the hotels the Miami Beach. They were
being replaced because they were told they had to speak Spanish.

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And these were elderly sisters, and there's no way they could,
you know, they think about going to school and learn
how to speak Spanish at you know, in your forties
and fifties and sixties, these women just close to retirement.
They so he came in wrote what was now turned
into affirmative action for the entire country because of that cause.
And eventually, you know, some of those he said, those

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many of those early room they retired or left. And
he says, the Hispanics are now using affirmative action to
justify that they because of their the amount, the number
of Hispanics for jobs, even for local jobs, you have
to speak Spanish. Is the requirement? Is that still going
on down there.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
It is still going on. There was an ad in
while ago a few years ago actually asking for people
to work as constilas janitors to downtown Miami, and the
requirement was that you must speak Spanish, and we were outraged.
You got to speak Spanish to clean toilets in downtown Miami.

(01:05:17):
But that was a kind of thinking that we had,
certainly after the Marielle boat lift brought so of the
Hispanics into Miami, the sense that you can't do anything
in mine monless you speak Spanish, including cleaning toilets.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Oh wow, the Mario boatlift. How soon did that change?
What was the dynamics and political dynamics in Miami? How
soon did did all that change? How soon did they
because they're just Guya the other day after it was
on the sixth, so it took.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
A day for that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:46):
Sime the Maurieals arrived in Miami within the course of
probably a week or two, when we had several thousand
people coming into miamt the same time, and it changed everything.
Most of those folks who came in were settled in
the black community, which pushed housing for black folks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
To the limit.

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
As the Mariels came in some black schools went on
double shift that had never happened in our school system.
Hospitals became stressed because of the fact that so many
poor patients who were Hispanic Marriell's coming in meeting services.
So there began to evolve in Miami back in in
nineteen eighties and early eighties, this sense of being pushed out,

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the sense of being removed by folks that are coming in.
And there are some trictions about that that are still
very raw here in Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
So where where did that people move to? If they
moved out of Miami Dade.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
A lot of them went to Atlanta, But to be
many folks moved west. We noticed the migration of blacks
out of the South to the west, not to the north,
but basically out to the west, California and other states
out west.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
All right, hit at the top of our family. I
guess it is doctor Marvin Dunne. He's a historian. He's
also a filmmaker as a psychoagist. He's an aufice written
several books about Miami Dade County. And see they're finding
to stop the building of the Trump uh Presidential Library
on the campus of Miami Dade College. Mark is joining
us from Houston. He's online one Grand Rise and Market
on with doctor Dunn.

Speaker 9 (01:07:21):
Well, great rising, My brother's how y'all doing this morning?
Y'all doing all right this morning?

Speaker 8 (01:07:26):
Doing well?

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Thank you?

Speaker 9 (01:07:29):
Well, Yeah, I just want to say, uh, I don't
I don't blame the brothers from leaving from Miami day
because what had happened in two thousand bus versus or
it was all standing out there vote, I mean getting
ready to vote there they come up with the most
fixed up by paying a chance, missed out mess up
the publican party. But speaking of we're talking about Trump. Uh,

(01:07:55):
he can't run for president anymore, so it really doesn't
really matter what to Hispanics or whatever, because you know,
he's a convicted feeling, so he's doing what he what
a convicted feeling will do. I mean, he's breaking all
the rooms in the laws and everything, so he don't
have he don't have nothing to lose. Getting what I'm saying,

(01:08:16):
he asked, Although, yeah, the Hispanics is that, you know.
But I'll tell you what though I heard you say
that they'll tell us some jobs down there, and I'm
sure that was just word of off by speaking Spanish
because it's not in the paper and writing. Because if
there's anything that says that you got to speak Spanish
to get a job, we need to get the FEDS

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involved down there, Florida, and we need to stop this
mess because English is our language and uh no one
should be big of taking jobs from people who speak English.
And that's something that needs to be dealt with or
strictly really should be something should be tons about that.
If that's happening down there, you understand what I'm saying.

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We need we need to stop this.

Speaker 7 (01:08:58):
Man, what are you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Thanks? Marcus Talk had done a chance to respond.

Speaker 8 (01:09:04):
Well. I think the current political climate in Florida is
one in which the idea of diversity, of trying to
have people have businesses and institutions retract the people who
live or who work in them, that day is gone,
at least in Florida. There's a sense in any effort

(01:09:25):
to have any diversity anywhere is somehow know the anti
American means you hate the country, etc. So we're fighting
that very very strenuously here in Florida. I don't think though,
that affirmative action legislation is relevant at all or would
be useful at all. It takes I think more direct

(01:09:46):
economic and political activity to try to stop it. But
we're working in a deep hole out here trying to
have any progress towards maintaining diversity in the workplace in Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
All right, thanks Mark and Houston.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
A couple of tweets here.

Speaker 8 (01:10:04):
It's true though, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
All right, thanks Mark, got a couple of tweets for you,
doctor don At thirty minutes at the top of the hour,
one tweet says, the land in question is next to
the Freedom Tower. It's the which is the Elis Island
for the Cubans. Is that true?

Speaker 8 (01:10:22):
That is true, and it's also very inciting to a
lot of us, including too many Cuban Americans. They're going
to put, if they have their way, the fifty five
or sixty story condominium building right next to the Freedom Tower,
which represents to many Cuban Americans the very fact and
active freedom. And now you have the president who has

(01:10:43):
been the most violent and resisting and immigration and in
suppressing diversity in our country. To have that building next
to a Trump presidential library is perverse, it's sick, it's insulting,
and I think many folks in the Keeople American community
appreciate appreciate that too. If they put that building next

(01:11:05):
to it's next to the Freedom Tower, the Freedom Triwer
would be dwarfed by it. You would even see it. Uh,
if they have their way. There's a lot of feelings
about the fact that they're trying to put that building
next to the Freedom Tower itself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Another tweet says, so why this is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Sweet?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
It says, why helpen a library for a man who
can't read it?

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
Well? Uh, what I'm trying to have people understand though,
is that this really is not a library. They're not
talking about a library. They're talking about an economic development
project that would enrich Eric Trump and his wife. It's
not a library. They may have a little corner of
one of the buildings US member of a shop like

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it should be, but that would be about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
So you're saying that they'll have this building, but it
basically be a condo with a gift shop in the
lobby or something. Is that a U envision this Trump
Presidential Library?

Speaker 8 (01:12:03):
Well, Eric Trump told us what it's going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Eric Trump's.

Speaker 8 (01:12:06):
It's going to be an iconic building on this came Boulevard. Uh,
and He stressed, how the Trumps build and they're going
to make Miami our skyline beautiful with this huge Trump
building next to the Freedom Tower. So we know what
they plan to put up. And I reiterate the library

(01:12:28):
part of is being used as a rust to get
the land, to get the rights to put this thing up,
and then to make millions and millions of dollars for
Eric Trump and his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Have you have you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Have you said that to the members of the Miami
Day College School Board. Do they understand what you just said,
what you're sharing with us this morning, Doctor.

Speaker 8 (01:12:47):
Don I said it yesterday morning. I had three minutes
to appear before the Miami Dade call ITGE Board of
Trustees about eighty people. This is unpleadre you asked that question.
They only had this meeting yesterday because of the lawsuits
I filed that they did it wrong the first time,
so they had to do it again to try to
get out from another lawsuit that I filed, and they

(01:13:10):
messed it up. They had a public meeting in which
they gave eighty people anyone who showed up to speak
three minutes to speak. I had my three minutes. I
spoke consaidered what I had to say, and then after
we all spoke three minutes, they voted Trustees. Each member
spoke for a couple of minutes, and then they voted.
They voted unanimously to do this. There was no discussion

(01:13:34):
among them about anything that was said for.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
Three hours before them.

Speaker 8 (01:13:38):
Not a word of discussion among them. So this thing
was already planned before we had the meeting. Their votes
were set. It made no difference to what we said
in the course of those three hours, and we will
used that as a part of our comeback to the judge.
But this was not really community engagement. This was just
trying to g out of the Dune lawsuit and it

(01:13:59):
did not work.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Are you concerned out, doctor dummod They may come after
you personally since you sort of leading this charge, or
stop the Trump Presidential Library on the campus of Miami
Dade College. Come after you personally.

Speaker 8 (01:14:13):
I raised three funds, but for the first time in
my life, I have a gun on my nights stand.
They are crazy people here. Trump is a very popular
figure among extremists, the Proud Boys, a baser in Miami,
and a lot of folks do not like what I'm doing. Yes,

(01:14:34):
a lot of people do not appreciate the fact that
I'm standing in Trump's away. But what are you supposed
to do? Let these people take public land and use
it for political purposes. That land belongs to our unborn
children and personal risk. I'm a hero, I'm no martyr.
I'm just pissed and I won't stand for it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Do you have a lot of people behind you?

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
I hope you this is not a solo fight that
you're doing down there in Miami.

Speaker 8 (01:15:03):
I have a lot of people behind me. Thank you
for asking. We took twenty letters printed letters to that
board meeting yesterday. Twenty letters that we got in in
the course of four or five days made no difference.
How can people on me page? I had raised up
fifty five thousand dollars in the last three or four weeks,
the people contributing, because you know I had I had

(01:15:24):
to borrow one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to put
up for bonds my case to go forward against the
Miami Dad College Board. UH. And people are helping me
with that by by the go fund me page that
I established. So it's an expensive, UH undertaking, It's a
risky one. Financially, we could lose. I could lose, But

(01:15:46):
the option is to stay silent and let this happen
without without.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Protest twenty four away from the televiet So how can
folks help you? Doctor Donald? Will give us that information
right now, and I'll let you give it before you
leave as well, thank.

Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
You for asking. They could go to go fund me
and just put my name in, doctor Marvin Dunn. Just
go to go from me page and put in my
name and they will be able to make a donation
to our effort. Even though my attorneys are working pro
Donald and I have excellent attorneys, the costs involved beyond
that are extremely high. You have to see this case

(01:16:20):
by all the way to the Florida Supreme Court. So
if people want to help me, please do go fund me,
doctor Marvin Dunn, and please help that you can.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
And if you will, Doctor John, you mentioned it could
go all the way to the Florida Supreme Court or
even to the Supreme Court of the land. How confident
are you though, because many of those folks who are
sitting on those those supreme those courts of the Trump
followers and the appointing many of its How.

Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
Comfort because this is so blatantly wrong that I think
even Republicans on the Supreme Court, State Supreme Court will
see it is not. For example, if the if the
college board gives us land against our lawsuit to the
state for the scientists to give to Trump, that's against

(01:17:08):
the law. There's a law short of it. You can't
apologize old.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
I thought, right there, Doctor Den, we got to step
aside and check the news traffic and wear out different
seats when we come back, explain that law for us.
Twenty three minutes away to the top of the our family.
I guess he's Dr Marvin Done. He's one of the
movies and shake us down in Miami. They tell me
anything you want to know about black dat in Miami,
he asked Dr Marvin Done. Anyway, he's fighting to stop
the building of the Trump Presidential Library on the grounds

(01:17:33):
of Miami Dade College. The college wants to give him
that land to build that library. And he says he's
just being a condo with a accession store. And that's
what Doctor Dunn says, what are your thoughts? Eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, And we
ticket calls after the news that's next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning. Our
guess is dtr Marvin Done. Doctor Dunn is a historian,

(01:17:54):
he's an author, a filmmakers, a psychologist, is from Miami
Dade and he's fighting to stop Miami Dade College from
donating land that's owned by the public, of course, to
Donald Trump to build his presidential library. Before we go
back to it, now, let me just remind you come
up later this morning we get here from doctor Sabey's
son Abdulla will join us. But before the Abdulla, the
Faith Brothers are going to talk about the reason for

(01:18:16):
the season Christmas, and coming up tomorrow you're going to
hear from their master teacher himself, Brother Ashua Quasi will
be here chair and Fred Hampton will all step in
as well. Tomorrow being the anniversary stats Assassin Nation in Chicago,
he's going to talk about that and the new Leadership
Circle's brother City could come on. We'll be here as well.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure your readers
locked and tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're

(01:18:36):
in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifteen w L. All right,
doctor Dunn before we left for the news update. My
question to you was, obviously is this going to you
gotta fight on your hands, and you've got people helping you,
and we're going to give out the information how people
can help you as well. But you just ain't gone
all the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Way to the court.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
The first the Florida's State Supreme Court, and then if
van may go to the other supreme court, Supreme Court.
But these courts is as I mentioned, are stacked with
with Trump supporters.

Speaker 8 (01:19:05):
How well, because you know, the only hope that I
have for our country is in the courts. I do
believe in judges. I think that most judges are fair
minded people, even though they may have been appointed by
this is that President, I still maintain faith in the courts.

(01:19:26):
And even in Florida, one politician cannot give away public
land to another politician as a favor. So if the
the board of trustees of vironment Day College are successful
in giving its land to the state, and we don't
prevail that on that issue, then we will file a lawsuit.

(01:19:47):
I will fillow lawsuit against the state, which we'll call
into question whether or not public property can be given
as the political prize by the governor to a plical friend.
So this this, this fight not over. I appreciate you
letting folks know how they could help. I'm not a
rich person. I'm a retired professor, So we do appreciate

(01:20:08):
people going to the go funding page and looking at
my name and helping out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Yeah, doctor don thirteen away from the topic. If anyone
from the Trump side or from the Governor's side try
to buy you off, or try to talk you out,
or try to convince you to drop the lawsuit, you know,
to try to get you out of the way.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
When I filed a lawsuit, one of my attorneys spoke
to me saying that he wanted someone wanted to know
how much it would take for me to drop the lawsuit,
probably someone with an interest in the development part of it.
And my answer was, there's no amount of money that
would that would make me drop this lawsuit. Plus if

(01:20:51):
I did that, what would people think of me? That done?
Got bought off like the rest of them. So no
one for it from the Trump you know, a political
circle that has made any approach to me, and I
don't expect them to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
All right, family, A doctor donn is fighting to stop
this is finally to give away this land, and he
said the land belonged is in public land that belongs
to the college in that space. Does that mean if
the college.

Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
Lost to Mamady College, which makes it public land. It's
the public college, So yes, it is. You know, it's
a public institution. They keeps throwing up on the other side,
keeps throwing up the Obama Library. What about Obama. I've
made it very clear that even if Obama was given
this land, I would have a problem with it. But
if you know anything all about the Obama President's the library,

(01:21:44):
the land that that library is going to be on
remains in the hands of the city of Chicago. Chicago
didn't give Obama land for his library. None of the
other President's libraries, as far as I know, have condominiums
have a profit making businesses at the president's President's Library.

(01:22:06):
That's just a Trump thing. Other President's libraries have had
their issues, but this is the first one that's that's
proposed to build a commercial development that would be extremely
enriching to the people who own the library and control it.
In this case, that would be two Trumps and a
lawyer that we don't know anything about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Yeah, and doctor DOWNA earlier tweets said that the land
in question is next to the so called Freedom Talent,
which is the Ellis Island for Cubans. How do they
feel about, you know, in that down there, how do
they feel about that? Given Trump's stance on immigration now
he's going to all going after immigrants and this, this
Freedom Tower was I guess erected or built or it

(01:22:51):
is the Elis Island for the Cubans who left Castro's Cuba.
So how do they, especially the Cubans, how do they
feel about that? Especially Trumps away from Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:23:01):
Trumps losing support over this. The Freedom Trial was built
as a news for a newspaper. Miami used to have
two major newspapers and that building was put up I
think in the nineteen twenties for the Miami News newspaper,
which went to Funk and has the property has gone
through several owners since then, but it is an iconic
building in Miami and the Cubans I have a very

(01:23:23):
strong affinery for that building. And now that Trump has
taken the attack that he has taken on immigration, including
as some Cubans feed immigration policies that hurt them, Trump
is losing support among Cubans here in Miami and among
other Hispanics as well. So I'm not quite sure that

(01:23:44):
the fact that he won Miami Dade County last time
around means anything coming up to the next election. He
has done a lot on immigration that has alienated him
from much of the Hispanic community here in Miami Dade County.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Were talking about the because Miami, they can't answer scieneble
Venezuelan population there are they do they have buyer's remorse
or they're still rolling with Trump?

Speaker 8 (01:24:07):
You know, I don't know. I can't say. All I
can say is that there's a lot of turmoil in
the Hispanic community about what Trump is doing in immigration policy,
and it's not set setting well with a lot of
people who are static.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
And you mentioned that hearings yesterday or yeah, yesterday or
day before you mentioned that hearings, Yes, so yesterday's hearing
the people who opposed could you tell the difference of
racial You know, some of us like to say the
racial game, because the usually in America comes down to that.
But could you tell the racial makeup of those who
are supporting the building and those who are against the building?

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:24:47):
Uh, they managed the other side managed to get the
young Republicans on that campus to come in and make
statements of support for the for the library. But the
room had that's a a couple hundred people in it,
and the overwhelming majority of the folks there were opposed
to it. So, yeah, that was kind of a show
of support by.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
The folks if they had come in and said.

Speaker 8 (01:25:10):
That they wanted it, but it was a minority among
the folks who participated yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
All right, ate away from the top of our family
with Dr Marvin Done from Miami. He's a he's a historian,
an author, as a filmmaker, psychologist, as he says, he's
a retired college professor, and he's finding the Trump administration
that the Miami Dade College wants to donate part of
their land to build his presidential library. And it's Doctor
Dunn says, Eric Trump is bosi. It's going to be

(01:25:38):
a condo attached to the library, and it's some sort
of money making effort for the Trump family and probably
just have a gift shop in the lobby and call
it the Presidential Library. Interesting. Another tweet for you, Doctor Done.
The tweet says, it makes me hopeful that there are
still freedom fighters like you. We need to clone you.
God will protect you on this mission.

Speaker 8 (01:26:00):
Thank you that I appreciate that comment. But I'm eighty
five years old. We need young people on the front
lines when we need folks to pick up the mantle
on this in this age, especially so you know, I
was born the same as John Lewis was. We need

(01:26:21):
young people to come forward, and I know that it's
risky for them. I mean, I'm a retired professor. They
can't do anything but stop my pay check at the university.
But I got seven kids. I'll be fined. But we
need younger leadership to be on the forefront to move
us forward as this country slip far and further to
the right. And I believe that leadership will emerge. We

(01:26:44):
see some encouraging voices coming forward already in Congress and elsewhere,
so there may be a change that will be apparent
when we have the new term elections to show that
there are young people class to coming forward to to
take the mantle.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Are you encouraged, though you said, I heard what you said.
You said what you said, But are you encouraged? Are
you seeing these young people step up? Not just you know,
we see one or two in Tennessee, for example, young
young democrats are stepping up. But on the on the whole,
the entire look at it, the entire landscape, political landscape.
Are you seeing a lot of young people come up

(01:27:25):
there and want to challenge Like back in the sixties
people did that. Are you seeing that today, doctor, don
I'm not.

Speaker 8 (01:27:30):
I'm not seeing that today. You're you're you're quite right
about that. We have some uh some some inndivisions around
the country who are in fact coming forward. You're right
about that. But you know, the civil rights movement caught
fire because the the the wrongs that we could be
that were being committed during that time were known and

(01:27:52):
obvious to everybody. So you had not just black people,
but white people also saying this is wrong. What we
need now is a new coalition of blacks and whites
and Hispanics for that matter, and Jews and others to
move forward, to come together as we did back in
the sixties. But I don't think the sense of threat
is as great as it was then, So people don't

(01:28:15):
see as much of a need to get out there
and risk the jobs or even their lives to try
to make things better. So I think we will see
a lot of that kind of energy in the next
the mid term cycle, I think we'll see the kind
of energy that I'm hoping to see emerge at that time,
and if not, I think we'll certainly see it by

(01:28:36):
the next presidential election with this president huge running. But
I think in aftermath of his presidency, I think we'll
see a lot of turnaround in the country in the
next presidential cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
So doctor John, again, how can we help you?

Speaker 8 (01:28:53):
Please go to my gofunding page. As I said earlier,
I had to borrow money for this fight, and if
we have to sue the governor when he tries to
give this land to Trump, that will be another fight.
So even though I have lawyers who are working very
hard for me at no cost, the expenses of a
case like this are just enormous. So if folks would

(01:29:14):
please go to gofund me and then look my name
up and just help out, it would be very much appreciated.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
That's the question again. Their name again, is Marvin done?
Doctor Marvin done? Doctor don Before we let you go
the book that you're about to release, because I want
you to come back and talk about that book.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
The title of that.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
Book, and African American History of Florida is the title
of the book, written from middle school students. The most
difficult book I've ever written. I've written books for PhD
couple people, but try to write a book for eighth
waders explaining institutional racism. That's the challenge. But that book
is done. It should be out before Christmas, and I

(01:29:54):
think it's going to be well used in Florida in
our schools. I'm sorry, none of our school but church
schools and many Black paths are doing homeschooling in terms
of black history. So I'm hoping that book will be helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
All right, Well, we'll have you back to talky with
that book next time. Dr Dunn, I would you want
to thank you, thank you for starting up the fight,
and thank you because you're inspiring people out there and
have to get involved and hopefully some people will will
donate and you know, try to stop the building of
the Trump Presidential Library on the college campus of Miami
Dade College. Thank you, doctor Dunn.

Speaker 8 (01:30:29):
Thank you so much for doing a chance to talk
to folks about that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
All righty family, that's doctor Marvin done for Miami. Three
minutes away from the top. They always step aside and
get caught up in the ladies traffic and where they
will come back to. Faith Brothers are going to talk
about this the reason for the season. You know what
season I'm talking about? You want to join the discussion.
Hit us up at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight to seventy six. We'll take the phone calls after
the news, after the traffic raw then weather that's next
and Grand Rising family, thanks, join us on this Wednesday

(01:30:55):
morning and we'll talk to the Faith Brothers and doctor
j Edmonds and also past the current manny that Grand
Rising well in the listeners, all right, and doctor and
uh pastor coming in. I don't see his name on
the screen. Past a maunting with us apparently not all right,
Doctor Jay Evans. We're going to talk about the reason

(01:31:18):
for the season. We know the season is the Christmas season.
Some people already had questions for you. But it says
Jesus is the reason of the season and says the
meaning of advent. What what do you mean by that advent?

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Well, it's a word that generally just means awaiting and
is an anticipation of something coming or someone coming, and
it's a countdown up to those particular days. So it's
a Eurocentric formulation that had been interwoving into spiritual worship,

(01:32:00):
anticipating the Messiah, first of all Christ coming and then
anticipate his return as well. So there were those who
anticipated his coming based on the Torras, based on the
writings of Isaiah, the Messiah would come that within hisself

(01:32:21):
was an advent. When he did manifest himself in this
sphere spear. There were those who believe in those who
did not believe. Therefore, that's why we have the crucifixion,
from those who did not believe that he the Messiah

(01:32:42):
had come. And then after his crucifixion, in his resurrection,
there was a promise that he would come back to receive.
Those who actually believe that he is the Messiah, who
believed that he actually did die by the Roman's hand
on the cross, believe that he arose from the Great
So the anticipation leading up to his return surrounds the act,

(01:33:09):
and generally it's four weeks prior to the day that
they set and called Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
All right, five at the top of a mark from
Anaheim already says he says Hellot and He said that
some people used to consider him as a child proligy.
He was teaching Sunday school at age nine, and however,
by age ten, I said one year he considered a prior.
He was considered a prior because he questioned the following
and one of the things he questioned, Doctor Edmonds's Christmas

(01:33:38):
trees is strictly forbidden in the Book of Jeremiah, but
church members practice cutting down trees for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
What say you?

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
There are a lot of things that the Christian community
has embraced for little or no reason or little or
no understanding that they say that which surrounds those particular
embracings and the ornaments, the trees, commercialism that is centered

(01:34:08):
around Christmas itself, these are all things that were brought
in by Eurocentric people. And just as it is today,
association brings about assimilation for those who are not aware

(01:34:31):
of their true essence of who they really are and
aware of the truth concerning an issue or matter. And
so it is the Christmas tree itself. It used to
be whereas one would almost worship that tree. And I

(01:34:52):
believe that's what the caller or the one pose that
question is leaning towards because it was a sort of worship.
It represented so many things that were not sound and
not based in the worship of God, and so therefore

(01:35:16):
there was a contradiction there, one that was quite grave
as a matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
So, and I'm just jumping here eight minutes after that's
how they had dtoramams. Because brother Ashbrod question, you're going
to be here tomorrow. He's going to talk about that
some of those symbols. But another question from Mark from Anheim.
He says, the Santa Claus nickname is old Nick and
old Scratch. I didn't know that, which are the same
names for the devil. Yet church members had children believe

(01:35:45):
in that dynamic spite sprite? Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Doctor?

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Is that true that those the names for the devil?

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Yeah, Scratch is the name of the devil. It was
a localism, Eurocentric localism in the manner of the middle
of winter in Germany and in Europe, they would pose
a celebration, and that celebration would be centered around supposedly

(01:36:22):
bringing in some sort of joy in the middle of
the darkest days of the winter. So people really embraced that.
Saint Nicholas was that which that name, which was given
in Germany, and it was supposed to be this mystical

(01:36:43):
figure initially, and that mystical figure was given certain names,
Scratch being one of them that was of course associated
with the dark world or the dark side.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
So, yes, gonna ask you this, do you think most
Christians understand that what the question that Mark ran, I'm
supposed about the devil in Santa Claus.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Well, just as your previous guess who is so astute
and political science and those particular things, there are so
many people, as he expressed, that are not aware of
what is actually happening. And why I always stress to

(01:37:29):
my students and to those who I speak to, it's
not enough to hear something and parent it, but to
understand it and know the genesis of it is what

(01:37:51):
is important. When people know the genesis of a thing,
they're more apt to at least embrace it to the
degree that they can consider all of the components and
then come to a resolution. The same thing applies to

(01:38:16):
knowing what's behind something when it comes down to our
ethnicity as a people, as a Black people, as an
African person, and so understanding and getting behind it is
what happens. And unfortunately, a lot of church members do not.

(01:38:44):
They are then deep enough or it's not brought to
their attention on that level to the degree that they
can embrace it and then consider it poor resolution.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
But DoD damn do you teach your students they did
you tell them about the devil connected to Santa Claus.

Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
I've telling them about all of the components that are
centered around Satia. Saturnalia was a Greek god and dealt
with agriculture and within the winter, so justice, I tell

(01:39:31):
them informed them about that, about the origin, how they started,
how did it get out of hand and metamorphasize and
into an untruth, as most troops do. They metamorphosize and
transition into an untruth or a variation of the real truth.

(01:39:53):
So we examine. I have them to examine each aspect
of that truth, and then we come together and have
a discussion about the reality of what did actually happen.
Who did actually began to speak of this Christmas, this

(01:40:14):
celebration in a certain way, whereas the splinter groups actually
desired that, and they took it and they made it
into what it is, And that's how the masses are influenced.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Gotcha twelve after the top I got a bunch of
tweet questions for you. But I see that Pastor past
the current Manning has joined us a grand rising Pastor Manning.

Speaker 10 (01:40:45):
Yes, it's so good to be with your brothers, so
good to be on the show again.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Quickly, Yeah, Pastor, give us a quick update on your
situation in Pasadena Altadena after the fires.

Speaker 10 (01:41:00):
Yes, well, we're still you know, we're still in the
middle passage as I call it, where we're trying to
make sure that our families are taken care of and
that people's homes they're having an opportunity. I guess that's
the better word to rebuild. As you know, the whole
area of Altadena was a starting point for families being

(01:41:24):
able to purchase home and breaking the red line that
had existed in our country, and Altadena is one of
those first communities. And now with people's homes being lost
and the fire devastating our community, there are some who
have just chosen to just leave. They can't they can't
take it, you know, the homes. There are a lot

(01:41:44):
of elderly who don't have the strength or the or
the will to want to rebuild. So we're really trying
to continue to push the whole concept of alta diena
not being for sale. We are starting to see some
homes being being built, mainly foundations things like that, but

(01:42:06):
we've had a few groundbreaking ceremonies and things like that.
But now the largest battle is making sure that people
get through the year, you know where the one year
anniversary will be in January. And then the second thing
is just making sure that the conversations and the need
for compensation and repayment from this fire. There's a big

(01:42:27):
issue about the electric company being the one that was
responsible for that's still out there as a debate, but
people are posturing to take advantage or to try to
get over that or get over on people. So I've

(01:42:47):
been in several meetings in that front and still believing
that the role of the church is to cover those
who are vulnerable. Proverbs thirty one eight nine says speak
up for those who can't speak for themselves and ensure
that they get justice. And there's a lot of people
who don't know the language, and I don't know a
lot of it of rebuilding and all of this, but

(01:43:10):
I'm learning because I see how important it is to
help our people navigate these waters of permits and the
legal process that a lot of people are confused about,
and we have the electric company offering payouts for people
instead of going the legal route with their own attorneys

(01:43:32):
and things like that. So our people are just trying
to navigate all of those things and we're still passing.
The church is still doing distribution every Saturday. Our numbers
have grown Brother Carl to well over three hundred cars
of Saturday, I think there were three hundred and seventy
or eighty cars that were served this past Saturday. There's

(01:43:53):
a greater need in our community that's been exposed by
the fire, not only those who lost their homes, but
people who lost their jobs. People who worked in out
to Dina are on now showing up on Saturdays at
Pasadena Church just for water and toilet trees and laundry
supplies and things like that. So we're just glad to
continue to be able to serve, and we're committed to

(01:44:17):
serving through at least through the new year. But as
long as the Lord would have us to be able
to be here for our community.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
It's good to know. We'll let you give out information.
Folks are listening around the country, want to donate and
help because I know it's got to cost a lot
to keep this going on. So we've got to help
our brothers and sisters out in California. We've come about
our break. Pastor coming Manners just join us. That's Pastor
Coring Manning and doctor j Edmonds and the Faith Brothers.
We're talking about the season. You know what season it is.

(01:44:46):
And I'll pose a question right now for you. Ask
the Manning. I'll let you respond when we get back
from the break. In the Nativity, that scene the wise
man were presented to Jesus when he was a child.
Why are they out present in the scene of the Maid?
You know the major? The scene of the Major. I'll
let you respond to that when we get back. Family.
You two you got questions, any question about religion. These
are the fellows you need to pose those questions to.

(01:45:08):
And you can reach them at eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family. We have Faith
Brothers with us. Doctor Jay Evans and passed the Curran
Manning of twenty minutes after the top. They are any
questions you want to ask about religion? These are the fellows.
You need to pose us question too, and of course
it's the season with the Christmas season, if you will.
This is why we're having this discussion. Another question from

(01:45:31):
some tweeters already, another question for Mark from Anaheim as well.
But the question I posed to past the Curwin Manning
before we left for the break was the wise men
were presenting to Jesus when he was a child. So
the question is why are they present in the scene
of the major when he was born?

Speaker 10 (01:45:48):
Why are they present in the scene?

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Yes, sir, yes, I'll not be with this called so
I don't know the difference, but I'll let you explain.

Speaker 10 (01:45:57):
Yeah, well, I believe the question is kind of a
voting to or helping us to understand that the whole
story of the birth of Christ is it's told contemporarily
as a one night event, but there's a lot of
components to it that let us know that even with

(01:46:19):
other biblical counts, you're talking about a time frame that's
longer than the story rolls off of the tongue when
we tell it. And one of them is even when
you talk about Herod's attempt to kill the children two
years and older, that gives us a two year window

(01:46:40):
right there as to the birth of Christ. And in
that story, the matthewcount the Luke account that focused on
the Shepherd's visit oftentimes pull us away from the intent
of the authors to validate. For me, it's always about

(01:47:02):
validating the birth of Christ, and those pieces of the story.
I think the other piece that makes it challenging when
we talk about the birth of Christ. I know that
I've learned a lot even by being on the show
with Doctor Edmunds and the timeline of Christmas. And now
i'm you know, I have to tell our people, you

(01:47:24):
know that that December twenty fifth is not the day,
and and there's a lot of a lot of our
Christian events and on the Christian calendar that align with
Pagan events, and and and why that is at times.
But I think the important thing for me in highlighting

(01:47:46):
the details is explaining the stories, explaining the characters, and
then helping people to sort through the differences in the
narratives that we're that we're able to read and put
together to understand that God orchestrated all of these pieces
to ensure that Christ was born. Then you have all

(01:48:10):
types of artistic renditions that put everybody together and and
and and all of that at the same time and
in the same room. The manger one one translation says,
when they entered the house, they saw Mary with the baby.
And the question has come up, why you know, I

(01:48:32):
thought he was in the stable, and and and how
could they enter the house? And again, the all of
the details of that timeline are not described in the
gospel accounts, and I think we just have to be
careful to break them down. And and for me, validating
the true history of the of the characters, the people involved,

(01:48:58):
and the actual event is the most important thing, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Twenty four after the top there, I got another tweet
question from Mark Manheim for you fellas. He says, church
members claim that Adam and Eve were the first beings
on earth, when Genesis specifically stated that demons inhabited a
dark and evil earth before God said let there be light.
Is running truth to that statement.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
There's no truth in it at all as it relates
to the Preadamites. I guess that's what he's referring to,
being spiritual creatures. Now, however, there was a citizen tree
of spiritual beings such as angels, malevolent angels in the

(01:49:47):
heavenly realm, not the Earth roum. They were within the
heavenly realm, and those spiritual creatures, angelic creatures were actually
cast out of that realm because of their desire to
go beyond and usurp authority over the things of God.

(01:50:12):
That is spoken of in biblical scripture in Revelation chapter twelve,
chapter seven, and also in the Book of unach Uh.
There were those were espoused, espouse express rather, but they
were not within the Earth realm.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
I mean, and stop for a second, so are you saying,
are you saying that he's correct when he says that
Adam and Eve were not the first persons on this planet.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
To say that they were not within this Those spiritual beings,
angelic beings were not within the earthly ram. Junans were
created within the Earth realm. And so there were no
pre confused.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
So it was let me just puts sharply as I can.
Where Adam and the the first persons on this planet.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Yes they were, because this is the earth ram, you see,
there was the it is the heavenly ram as well,
within that lineage, within that ah atmosphere.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
And so before God even said let there be light.
Before he even said, uh, let the waters be separated,
before he even said anything consistent with the creation of earth. Uh,
there was activity within the heavenly Ram.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
So were those in the heavenly Ram the demons as
he's saying.

Speaker 4 (01:52:03):
Well, yes, after they had usurped authority over the things
of God. That's why they were actually vacated, cast out,
cast down out of the heavenly Ram into the earthly realm.

(01:52:23):
And this is what I'm speaking of. When they came
into the earth ram, man had already been created. According
to Genesis, chapter two, verse seven, Man had already been created.
So when they came into the earth realm, that's when
the themes began to occur. Maltima the evil, and that's

(01:52:49):
what is spoken of by Enoch, and it's spoken of
by John Revelator as well, and it's spoken of in
Genesis concerning what these demonic creatures did at that point
in time. So that's the point, is my point, embracing

(01:53:13):
what the caller or the person who posed a question
is there were no preadamites, meaning that there were no
other human beings, no other creatures human that were created
before atom. See that that right, there is very important

(01:53:37):
to understand because Europeans basically say that we as black
people were Preadamites and we were mud people. That is
not true. There were no other human beings prior to Atom,
prior to Eve.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
All right, gotch Hold, there's a bunch of tweets, questions,
and folks want to get at you. Brothers. Twenty nine
minutes at the top of the family. I hope you're
learning some stuff. This morning I was doctor Jay Evans
along with Past the Current Man the Faith Brothers, and
Kevin has a question for you, because this has been
bubbling around on this program for quite a while. Grand Rising, Kevin,
you have question for the Faith Brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Grand Rising, indeed and Grand Rising gentlemen, Doctor Edmunds, Past
the Current, how you guys feeling How you feeling?

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
Excellent?

Speaker 10 (01:54:22):
Sir, you are doing very well. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
It's a pleasure to hear from you, and thanks for
joining the program. Last week I was holding up the
bloodstained banner for the Faith Brothers. Someone brought up a
question is there a God? The existence of God? And
I answered, you know from my heart basically you know

(01:54:45):
that one word answer.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Yes, How would you answered that?

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
And you know what's the best way to explain the
existence of God and how he you know, he the beginning,
the end, and He you know, flows through your veins
and and through the very frequency in the in the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Without quoting the apostles, Creed or something. Either one is done.

Speaker 10 (01:55:16):
Yeah, well I'll start at least when you pose the
question is there a God? I pause a little bit
because that could open another line of questioning about how
many gods are there. The scripture says there's only one God,
and that that God is revealed to us. And I

(01:55:39):
and I know, you know, in my years of pastoring,
people want to to know how how that happens and
who God is without without a relationship, and I know
that from the Hebrews perspect the perspective we're told in

(01:55:59):
the scripture that from Hebrews eleven that if we're going
to have faith or anyone who has faith, must believe
that God exists. So a part not the difficulty, but
a part of answering the question. We have to always
integrate faith, and some people want to leave faith out

(01:56:21):
of it. But believing that God exists, the Scripture says,
and that He rewards those who earnestly seek him Now,
the writer of Romans tells us that God can be
known by the things that he's made. So that's another
part of the argument. You know, living in southern California,
for example, right up against the mountains. As a matter

(01:56:43):
of fact, I've been having trouble with bears lately because
they've been coming down and getting in the trash and
messing things up a little bit. But and when I
look at the mountains, when I have the opportunity to
go to the ocean, palm trees, all of God's creation.
I was just reading information about the intricacies of an egg,

(01:57:08):
how just an egg has pours in it and it's
able to take in and release so that the chick
can be born in that twenty one day cycle. All
of these miracles and wonders point to not just any
type of intelligence or being, but divine and the only

(01:57:28):
God of the universe that could do all of these
things with such intentionality, with such intention not only for creation,
but for humanity. Who created us, and there's no other
creation like man. His prize possession. When he made us,
he said didn't just say it was good, he says

(01:57:50):
very good. So all of these elements come in to
plage in answering the question, and I'm not trying to
skirt around I hope I'm adding pieces. Who would love
to hear Doctor Edmund join in on that. But it's
more than just that answer has a lot of pieces
to it to begin to and I and I and

(01:58:11):
I believe that As a pastor, I try my best
to walk with people as they discover God and how
how great our God is more than just a one
word answer or or. But it will take a life
time and beyond to know God in his fullness. We

(01:58:32):
can't even we won't, we won't be able to accomplish that.
But He reveals himself to us in in the ways
that the scripture says it. And I believe through scripture
and through personal encounters with him. You know, I have
been through so many things in life that I know
that it had to be my God who's brought me

(01:58:53):
through and carried me through and kept me in the
midst of them all I've shared, I've shared a lot
of my story on this show many times, but all
of those encounters have validated in my heart that God
is real. Along with the scripture and historical accounts of

(01:59:15):
even of creation, that we've talked about today.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
Amen.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
And it's the spirit that makes that real, that makes
it manner inside of our hearts and.

Speaker 10 (01:59:24):
Our very being, which absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Okay, Doctor Edmunds, how would you define that?

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
Well? I think anytime that question is asked, as I
say to my students and those who are teach, that
interrogative is answered with an interrogatives, and someone says.

Speaker 5 (01:59:45):
Who is God?

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
Is there a God? Then it should be answered with
an interrogatives, and that interrogative it is do you believe
that there is something greater than you? And the answer
is either no or yes. And then the next question
that is coos, who do you say it?

Speaker 7 (02:00:08):
Is?

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
What do you call it? And the word god actually
in the Greek is theoths. That's where we get out.
We're theology from the study of God Theoths. So who
do you call God? You know, the Buddhists have a

(02:00:33):
different perspective, just as the Hindus who say that they're
over three hundred and fifty thousand gods. So who do you?
Who do you call God? Now, let's talk about if
you say no, I don't believe that there is a God,
or I don't believe that there is something greater than myself.

(02:00:58):
If one is placed themselves in that position, then the
experience of life for them is quite different from the
experience of life of one who actually believe that there
is something greater than them, because it expands into other

(02:01:19):
areas relative to If there's something greater than you, then
that means what is done by that which is greater
than you supersede what can be done by yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
Take a beat on that past the admins. We've got
promotional considerations to do. Don't lose that, don you know
we're jumping at the bits to hear the rest.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
Absolutely twenty three away from the top down. Kevin Bove
this question. I see Johnny's call. He started all this
Johnny in Long Beach, California. Doctor j Evans past the
current man, and I guess we're talking about a god.
Now we know what the season is. But people asking
this question, they've been asking this for quite a while.
Is there a God? How can you prove to me
that there is a god? People want to know, And

(02:02:04):
we'll let doctor Edmunds finish his response when we get
back family, you two can get in on this conversation.
Hit us up at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six, and we'll take a phone calls next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on
this Wednesday morning. Coming up later after the Faith Brothers,
doctor Saber his son Abdullah will join us. And tomorrow
we're going to hear from the Master Teacher himself, Brother

(02:02:24):
Ashua Quasi. Also Chairman Fred Hampton is going to be
with us and the Nubian Leadership Circles Sadiki come on,
we'll check in as well. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep your radio locked in tight on
ten ten w WELB or if you're in the DMV,
we're on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, the question about
and this is where for the Faith Brothers doctor j.
Edmonds and past the current man there is the discussion's

(02:02:46):
be going on here for a quite a few days
about if there's a God and can you prove that
there's a God? So people say God is within you,
there's no physical God. So doctor Edmans was on the
was in the middle of explaining to us responding that
question from Kevin. So doctor Amazon, as you finish your.

Speaker 4 (02:03:01):
Thought, sure, so bios which means that which cannot be
seen that is greater, that is within itself, inherent within

(02:03:22):
one's own decision concerning their perspective of the world of
what they see. That's why it's important to pose that
interrogative to each individual who asks is there a God?
Do you believe that there's something greater than yourself? And,

(02:03:44):
as I said before, if the answer is no, then
it points out that person's perspectives as it relates to
who God is. That means that in their view there
is no God. That if that answer is yes, well

(02:04:10):
what do you call? Who you call that which is
greater than yourself? I think it's important to know that
each individual has a perspective relative to that which is
greater than themselves if they've chosen that particular answer. But

(02:04:30):
even yet, still those who said, I don't even believe
that there's something greater than myself and to be called God? Still,
when you delve into the explanation relative to cause, meaning
that well, how did these things around you? How did

(02:04:56):
they appear? How did you appear? What is the origin
of yourself? From an anthropological standpoint, I think it demands
deeper questions, just so as it the same with those
who said yes, I believe there's something greater than I. Well,

(02:05:17):
the question remains, well, who do you call that? What
do you call that? Where is the existence of that?
It reminds me of a biblical scripture when Jesus had
worked all of the miracles, healed the sick, gave sight

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to the blind, raised the dead, did all those things,
and so his disciples actually came to him and said
that some say you are a prophet, some say you
are soup sayer, some say that, and he stopped them.

(02:06:03):
He said, who do you.

Speaker 8 (02:06:05):
Say I am?

Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
That's the same question that is posed with a person
asking is there a God or saying they don't believe
that there is a god, or they do believe that
there's something greater than them. Well, who is that?

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
And right there, uh doctor, just a bunch of folks
are trying to get to your fellow. It's this question.

Speaker 5 (02:06:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
Kevin posed that we have been having this discussion quite
some days, and they said they're waiting for you guys
to come on to explain.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
The person who started all of this was Johnny calling
from Long Beach out in California. He's on my four.
So Johnny, first, what you start this and do you
have a question. Do you want to pose a question
out of the faith brothers?

Speaker 5 (02:06:50):
Yeah, yeah, my question would be to them. Is when
I started off by saying, it's like, why do you
believe in God?

Speaker 4 (02:06:59):
Well, that is a great question, and that interrogative deserves
an answer. I believe and that which is greater than myself,
and that the name God has been assigned to that.
I believe that because the essence of who I am,

(02:07:23):
my very makeup, which is that which I can see
and that which I cannot see, brought me to the
conclusion that I am not that which I see. I
am that which I cannot see. In other words, this
body is just for motivation to get around on this planet.
So I believe that there's something greater than myself. So

(02:07:46):
I want to examine that. And when I began to
examine the things that are right before our eyes, that
are greater than that which deserves even an explanation. How
did a tree become a tree? Or how did man

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that which can be seen populate? Did it begin evolutionary?
Did it begin with a paramecium or in a meba
of one cell evolutional type cycle? How did that happen?
Investigating those particular things bring us to the conclusion that
that which cannot be seen is greater than that which

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can be seen. In fact, that which can be seen
came from the catalyst, which is that which cannot be seen.
How do I interpret that? I must look at that.
If that which cannot be seen is greater than that
which can be seen, then what is that?

Speaker 7 (02:08:50):
Who is.

Speaker 5 (02:08:53):
I had to follow up on that, sir. It's like
in that of what we have done, what some of
us have done, is like we have remove this stuff
about slavery. However we kept the most important thing that
was about slavery, Christianity.

Speaker 10 (02:09:07):
You know?

Speaker 7 (02:09:07):
Could it?

Speaker 5 (02:09:07):
Could it lie in that the Christianity is the culprit
and not about It's not about God, It's about Christianity
and what and what that that that particular religion has
done to us as a people that we believe in something.

Speaker 1 (02:09:22):
Yet, and before you respond, let me tie this in, fellas,
because we disgosed A bunch of folks want to got
questions for you. So here's a tweet that if you
can answer both Johnny's questions this tweet. The tweeter says
for the faith brothers not being a fierce to myself.
How many people does it take praying to God before
the results of seeing Part two? We as black people

(02:09:43):
have been praying for freedom and self determination, yet here
we still are. Is your God or is the God
ignoring our plight? So I'll let you answer about those questions.

Speaker 4 (02:09:54):
Okay, let me take the first one.

Speaker 7 (02:09:57):
Uh uh.

Speaker 4 (02:10:00):
First, have initial seriatum from getting point by point that
which circles and surrounds Whether or not Christianity or any
other spiritual persuasion is used as an instrument to either

(02:10:25):
raise up or put down, to either oppress or to
release a people. That is very common when it comes
now to a society or a civilization that is built
around supremacy. We must understand that it is not Christianity

(02:10:48):
that oppresses a person. It is the people behind that
which is put forward in the guy of Christianity that
oppresses of people, meaning that Christianity is simply that which

(02:11:10):
is centered around Christ crystal that within itself, the tenets
itself are not centered around oppressing a people. But it's
the people you're centric who actually took that and they
used that to set forth supremacy. And that's the result

(02:11:37):
of the tool that was used. It's not the tool,
it's how you use it. It's just as if you
have an hammer. You can use a hammer to destroy someone,
or you can use it for its privilese to drive
a nail. So the very same thing is and play here.

(02:11:57):
When it comes down to Christianity or Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism,
the very same thing is in play here. It is
the people who malevolently took that to oppress. Now what
caused them to do that? It is that which cannot
be seen, the spirit within them that caused them to oppress.

(02:12:22):
As Elaia Mohamad said, it is a devil within the people.
Those people, that thing which causes one to hate someone else,
to oppress someone else. That did not just derive from
an individual, but that came from a thought that was

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planted by that which cannot be seen. The thought is
nothing more than encapsulated information you choose to mentally that
that is just who placed that thought. There see that
which cannot be seen, which has malevolent aspirations. Well, on
the other side of that, that is that which cannot

(02:13:07):
be seen, which does not have malevolent aspirations, which has
been good for the people. Now to break that down.
We have to get into separating the flesh from the spirit,
separating that which can be seen from that which cannot
be seen, and embrace that you see so.

Speaker 1 (02:13:31):
All right, and a whole nothing like that, because we
still got a whole bunch of folks that if he
showed upon the answer fellas, I'll appreciate it. Cliff calling
from Connecticut. Cliff is online six. Cliff, your question real
quick for the Faith brothers.

Speaker 11 (02:13:44):
Get to the Faith brothers and thank you for thinking
about called grand rising to the brothers. Are we the
only existence in this on this planet? And then if so,
if you do believe that there's other beings, then are
they good?

Speaker 5 (02:13:57):
Bad?

Speaker 11 (02:13:58):
Or do they even exists? According to your belief?

Speaker 4 (02:14:04):
Well, and in actuality, we are not the only beings
within this earthram or this cosmos itself. There are spiritual beings.

Speaker 8 (02:14:16):
They are beings.

Speaker 4 (02:14:17):
As I said, I think one of the callers on
the last show, when who ask about aliens, anything that
is different from the inhabitants one regards as an alien.
It doesn't have to be, you know, a person from

(02:14:39):
space or what have you, but it simply means that
which is different. Menamorphically that which is different prospiracy or
from an anthropological standpoint, Yes, there are other beings and
that's what we've been talking about. We've been talking about
the forces of darkness and the forces of light, and

(02:15:04):
that's what we want to expound on to actually identify
those particular forces and say, do you yourself believe that
there's something greater than you? And which and in which
manner you see to embrace that. And that's where the
understanding about life itself as it relates to the mansipestation

(02:15:31):
of life, that's where the understanding comes in. Who are you?

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
What do you find away from the top, doctor Evans,
because we're come up on the right, but Christians calling
for malibuish online five Christian Christian, you have a question
for the faith brothers.

Speaker 7 (02:15:51):
Thank good morning, gentlemen. And the need started this thing
and they have three sons, So how did the other
people get here? If you take out incest, which is
the abomination of God, that can't be the reason. So
where all their females come from?

Speaker 4 (02:16:09):
That's the first question.

Speaker 1 (02:16:12):
And I'm glad you asked that question because we did
get a tweet asking about that question about Adam and
e Where did they get their wives. So I'll let
it we call it. We got about a minute. If
one of you faithful is going to respond that I
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:16:26):
Well, you know, the Lord had said to Adam and
need to be fruitful and multiplied. The ones that were
mentioned came and Able and his brother Sat and those
within the land of Nod those were children actually that

(02:16:47):
had actually been born. And you have to understand that
time had elapsed between these scenarios that we're reading about.
And so when we see the geniality as to what
occurred in the Land of Nod between Cain taking a

(02:17:09):
wife there and we see his genialogy there the people
that those which came from from him and his wife,
and then we see the genealogy of those who came
from Set and his wives his wives, then we understand

(02:17:32):
that that was the population. But that's how it started
relative to that, and there were more that were born
to Adam and Eve than just came and Able and Set.

Speaker 1 (02:17:46):
Well, let me see him stuff a real quick. We
got about ten seconds. But are you saying that we're
all des sentants of Adam and Eve? Every planet?

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
Yes, and genes seven and even within the out it
an uncertain terms.

Speaker 1 (02:18:15):
Hold authorry. Then we got to step aside for a
few months so our stations can identify themselves. Down the line,
We've got a whole bunch of folks who want to
speak to the Faith brothers. I'll tell you I We'll
just take one more call in the because we got
h we got doctor Saby's son Abdul standing by family.
You want to join this conversation with the Abdul reach
out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight to seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

(02:18:36):
next and grind Rising family in thanks for rolling with us.
Are so many questions for the Faith brothers here uh
and moment tailor, we're gonna speak with brother Abdul Abdul Bohman.
He's the son of doctor Sabie. But first let's rap
with the faith through that. Though Reggie has a question.
Reggie's on calling for Maryland is online six. Reggie grand Rising,
your question for the Faith Brothers, great riding.

Speaker 5 (02:19:00):
I want to I just wanted to make a statement
about as far as when you when you walk and
you dabble with the Book of Enoch, people are so
confused because you don't make it plain. In the Book
of Enoch will bring you to who know God very fast.

(02:19:21):
It only takes about ten minutes. And you see in
the Book of Enoch, God was called all that that
was revealed to Enoch. And if you look up the
definition of Era that it says father of all creation.
Why don't we hear you guys saying that? And then

(02:19:44):
why don't you tell the people when you say we
don't know basically who we are and it's only one
it's only one God. That is not true. The eighty
second chapter of Psalms six verses, ye are all God,
go children of the Most High God. You brothers can

(02:20:06):
in the confusion very quick if you deal with the
real scriptures that explained that. And lastly, we had to
be born out of incests. You guys won't tell that truth.
There's no way the earth was populated without incests. You
gotta become real. This is why the people are confused.

(02:20:29):
I'll leave it right there.

Speaker 4 (02:20:32):
Well, that's a good observation. And I think the last
statement that I made was basically, there were more children
born because God said be fruitful and multiplied. They were
born of each other. And that which we consider as
incense was not incense. We got to remember, also, sir,

(02:20:55):
that Adam was not born as a babe. He was
born as a grown man, not born, but created. According
to Genesis chapter two, verse seven, he was fully ready
to go. He was one hundred and thirty five years
old when he actually fathered. Said, But the children that

(02:21:19):
they've had in one hundred and thirty five years, they
began to actually inter twining with each other and become
fruitful and multiply as well. So it is quite obvious
that what we call in says was that which was
done at that point in time. But God had given

(02:21:42):
his grace on that as it needs to be too
fruitful and MULTIPLI let me get to your other question
concerning the Book of Eenoch. I understand what you're saying,
era of that, and I understand relative to the question
of the name of God, that was that which was

(02:22:03):
given by sem Yazi. Sem Yazi in chapter seven of
the Book of Anoch appeared as the leader of those
angels which came into the earth realm to actually take
the women who were beautiful and were born of the

(02:22:26):
human creation, to take them to have children by them.
Sem Yazi and those which came with him actually referred
to God by that name, just as if you're utilizing
another language, say Hebrew for instance, and the word Allah

(02:22:52):
God in similarity is different from elulum, which means God
in plurality. The same thing applies here if you read
chapter seven. And this is something that I do speak
to my students I teach, and in my renderings, I

(02:23:14):
always bring them back to those things that you were
speaking about, and that is the disclosure concerning those beings
that were angelic within themselves that were mentioned not only
in the Book of Enoch, but the book of Josha

(02:23:34):
and also within Genesis itself versus I'm sorry Chapter four
and five. The question is, Sir, I think the main
question is where did we as humans? Where did we
come from? As it relates to our geniality at this time.

(02:23:58):
We know that the settlement of the arc on Arabat Araraq,
not Arabat Ararat. We know that that settlement there the
humans were only there were only eight that was nor
his wife history sons sham Ham and Jafat and their wives.

(02:24:23):
So that means that we who exist now, if we're
inclined to embrace at the creation and not the evolution.
It will lead us into the common analyzy that we
have as human beings. So it is not the physical

(02:24:43):
part of us that causes us to act. It is
that which cannot be seen which causes us to act.
Either that force is malevolent, either that force is for good,
And that's what we focus on. That's what focus on.
It is one thing to know something, but it's another

(02:25:08):
thing to understand what you know. There are numerous people's
philosophies scholars that know. But understanding what you know and
being utilizing wisdom and dispensing what you know and understand,

(02:25:29):
that's the key. That's where we're trying to get at.
We all learning, we all seekers. And that's why I
don't dispel any any any teachings. I examine teachings whether
it's I.

Speaker 1 (02:25:43):
Really got to look at these issues with an open mind,
it fell that's what I'm telling you. Just gotta have
an open mind. It's it's some closing mind on something
I don't believe you just turn off. You've got to
have an open mind because there may be a kernel
of truth in whatever they're saying. So please don't get
closed to buying on any issue. It's not like a
sports team. You don't like the Lakers, You're not gonna
watch when they play. You only like the Knickson No,

(02:26:06):
it's just have an open mind. Anyway, way a time
Before we go though, Uh, I want to get past
the coen a man a chance that tell us how
folks can help our brothers and sisters out in Altadena, Pasadena.
How can they get to you?

Speaker 2 (02:26:19):
Pastor?

Speaker 10 (02:26:19):
Yes, thank you so much. If you would like, if
you would like to continue to help us serve this
community it's been devastated by the fire. You can just
go to our website directly Pasadena Church dot com and
on that front page there's a tab that talks about
the eat and fire relief. Any type of support you
get through that goes directly to the distribution that we're

(02:26:44):
doing every Saturday, and anything beyond that helping families to
be restored. And we appreciate any contribution any amount. Passenachurch
dot com and you can find me on there as well.
Pastor Kerwin at Pasadena Church dot com if you'd like
to email me.

Speaker 1 (02:27:02):
And doctor haven't I say want to count this question
about God? How they can reach you?

Speaker 5 (02:27:08):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:27:08):
The Edmunds Group Global at gmail dot com. They can
reach me there. And Pastor Manning is so good to
hear you boys.

Speaker 5 (02:27:19):
Thank thank you, thank.

Speaker 4 (02:27:20):
You, failure. How good it is to hear your boys.
And I wanted to hear you Opine a little bit
more there and your knowledge that you bring is so
rich and I just really appreciate you.

Speaker 10 (02:27:33):
Just wanted you to do that, sir, the feelings meet you,
my friend. Thank you so much. Brother.

Speaker 1 (02:27:39):
All right, fellas we talk to you guys next twenty six.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with that. Absolutely all right, family,
Let many have the top. Let's go over to a
brother Abdul. Grand rising, Brother Abdul, welcome to the program.
Thanks for being saying.

Speaker 12 (02:27:52):
Hey, it's a pleasure of being on your program again, Carl,
and hello to everyone out there.

Speaker 4 (02:27:58):
Good day to all of you.

Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
And let me just say this, Brother Abdul is doctor
Sabe's son and he's caring on doctor Sabe's legacy. We're
going to talk about that, but let's just get this
stuff out of us on the internet. About you one
of your brothers, just explain, give us an update. What's
going on with that.

Speaker 12 (02:28:14):
Well, you know, my brother Victor, he was from Hondudas
and he wasn't you know, he didn't become legal here.
You know, he was working on his legalization, but in
the process of.

Speaker 5 (02:28:29):
That he had came here, then left and.

Speaker 12 (02:28:33):
Tried to return back into the States to finish handling
his business and that's when he was caught and detained.
So as of now, he's still detained inside of that
detention center in Texas. So he's been communicating off and on,
but he's doing all right. But you know, with those

(02:28:55):
detention centers, you know, there's all kinds of stuff goes
on and there's a very bad place, and you know,
we just hoping that he's you know, they they deport
him back to Honduras where he can get back to
our family.

Speaker 4 (02:29:07):
So that's what we're just waiting on that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
Because I know there's a legal effort online to to
help him, and people are you know, people are offering
ideas and even sending money because I think you set
up a GoFundMe, you know, help him get out of
there so at lest you go back to ons.

Speaker 12 (02:29:25):
So well, the thing is about that, Carl, you know,
you you can't really do anything about that because once
he was detained, you know, they have their own legal
process with the FEDS.

Speaker 4 (02:29:40):
And you know we can't.

Speaker 12 (02:29:43):
We have we have attorneys, but none of the attorneys
are allowed to go inside a none of the detention
centers because the judge put this UH sanction on immigration
attorneys about a month or so ago. No immigration attorney
can step inside of any of those detention centers, so

(02:30:04):
you don't know what's going on. He can't have legal representation,
so you know, that's what that is. And as far
as trying to get him out with an attorney and
trying to collect funds.

Speaker 4 (02:30:17):
That's that's you know, you can.

Speaker 12 (02:30:20):
Try to do it, but all the money you collect
is going to be you know, no effort unless you know,
give the money to him once he comes out to
help him, you know, get back on his feet. But
you know, we we we here to help him, you know,
restructure himself once he is out of that detention center.
But you know, like I had made a few calls

(02:30:40):
and I spoke with some of the high power attorneys
here in LA and basically all of them told me
the same thing. There's nothing they can do. And then
if he was caught here, you know, going through trying
to get here you know, illegally, they look at him
as an illegal immigrants. So he and with Trump, you know,
he made it. It's against the law if you're in

(02:31:02):
a legal immigrant and trying to get back into the
United States. You know, they tell you that they wanted
you to self deport. So if you don't self deport,
you know, they was offering you one thousand dollars a pleae,
a free you know, plane ride, free plane trip back
to where every country you come from, and you can
apply for your citizenship wherever you know there or how

(02:31:25):
you're gonna you know, do it. But you know, if
you don't self deport, then when they catch you, it's
a whole another problem. Well, I don't know if they
run that commercial out there where you are, but in
La they kept running that commercial over and over about
with ice. And you know, you can self deport, but
if you don't, then if we catch you, it's gonna

(02:31:47):
be a problem. So he ran into that problem.

Speaker 1 (02:31:52):
Well, let's hope he figures it out and what it's
done though, do let's put a face on this immigration
problem because we always say, you know, they don't look
like us. It it's like somebody different, you know, they're
not coming for us, and then we believe you're going
after the rapists and the terrorists in the country illegal.
But now it puts a different perspective on it.

Speaker 4 (02:32:13):
That's why I'm yeah, you know, and.

Speaker 12 (02:32:16):
My brother he's not a rapist, he's not a criminal.
You know, he was having he had a successful business here,
his bo lingal products out here, and he was doing
quite well.

Speaker 4 (02:32:26):
You know. He's a part of.

Speaker 12 (02:32:27):
The addition to the healing family, to our family, you know, healing.

Speaker 4 (02:32:33):
So he wasn't doing anything that was criminal.

Speaker 12 (02:32:36):
The only thing they looked at us being criminal is
him coming here illegally and he got caught. But you
know it's it's illegal immigrants of all races here. You know,
you just can't look at the people from Hundud this
because you know, my father's from hond this and he
was born in Hondas and I have a couple other
brothers and sisters in him Doas also before my dad passed,

(02:33:00):
he had a couple of more kids out there.

Speaker 4 (02:33:02):
Yeah, but anyway, you.

Speaker 1 (02:33:05):
Know, just so yeah and hold up thought right there,
brother Abdula, because we got to step aside for a
few months. We'll come back though, let's talk about what
you're doing, because you're carrying on your dad's legacy as
they and before you know, when I told people come
on there, so the sister with lupus asked me to
ask you if there's anything can be done for loopers,

(02:33:26):
and then I told another person wanted to know about dementia.
So I'll let you answer those questions. And family, you.

Speaker 12 (02:33:32):
Got that, yeah, because I put with people with you know,
with dementia and lupis, so yeah, I would love to.

Speaker 1 (02:33:39):
All right, let's stay the brad we come back on
which you do that? Seventeen minutes after the top of
they our family, I guess it's Abdul Bowman. This is
doctor Sabie's Sunday. Those you know the story of doctor
Sabie got a question of health challenge. This is Abdul
carrying on his dad's legacy. He's the person you can
talk to right now and you can reach him at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls next. Grand Rising family,

(02:34:01):
thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning with
our guess that brother Abdul Abdul Bama, that doctor sab
his son thoughs you know his dad and you know
what is that as well? Abdula is not Karen on
his dad's legacy. He's a now a healer. And before
we left out, I told him about when I told
folks it was you were coming on abdul h two
questions to ask me, two different people, and one was
about loopas.

Speaker 4 (02:34:21):
Yeah, it was lupas. You know how I treated lupas.

Speaker 12 (02:34:24):
In fact, Shaquille O'Neil big Shaq contacted me about his
sister who was dealing with lupas about a little close
to a year ago, and he asked me could I
possibly help her because he knows. When I was working
on my dad's documentary with Nick Cannon, I helped Nick Cannon.
You know, I made him better because he was really sick.

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He had called me into his officers like dude, you know,
almost died, you know, about a year ago. This is
a few years ago when we worked on a documentary.
So I told Nick that I didn't hear nothing about
it because I don't really follow the tabloids and all
the other stuff. But anyway, while we were shooting my
dad's documentary, he was taking my products and I have

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a picture of me and Nick together, and Nick had
gained his weight back, he had buffed up. He was
doing really really well, still doing well. And you know,
when a man has loopis, it's hard for him to
have conceive any type of children because his sperm count
is really low and his body is weak. So after

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Nick became well, well you see what happened, Nick had
But I what twelve kids?

Speaker 2 (02:35:34):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:35:36):
Oh your responsible for that?

Speaker 5 (02:35:37):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (02:35:38):
Increasing the population with Nick Cannon.

Speaker 5 (02:35:41):
I said, I said, as long as you get out
there and have them, but don't name none of them,
none of them after me, We're good. But anyway, wow, yeah,
you know. And along and aside to that, she killed
her neil sister, Latifa, she's doing a lot better as well.
In fact, she called me last week until that numbers
was back in the green and the doctor said that

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she no longer has lupis. So yeah, I had my
formulas work for lupus. Also with dementia.

Speaker 1 (02:36:12):
Yeah, question about dementia, and it seems like we're hearing
a lot of people now in our community coming down
with dementia.

Speaker 12 (02:36:21):
Yeah, well, with dementia, what happens is well, what I
uh from from My perspective and how I've been treating
dementia is that you know, when you eat greasy foods,
plaque builds up around the brain, you know, anywhere around

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the brain. And once that plaque builds up, it shuts
off the oxygen.

Speaker 5 (02:36:46):
Level to the bank brain. So you know, you're not
able to be cognizance, You're not able to you know,
be focused, and you can lose memory, you can lose balance.
You know when you start I messing with the brain.
Depending on what area that that plaque has taken effect on,
then you're going to have problems. But the products that

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I have, what it does. It goes in and start
removing the plaque from the brain, and it's starts to
get your body all healthy, from your stomach, from your testino,
from your heart, liver, kidneys.

Speaker 12 (02:37:24):
It started to treat everything and start to have everything
functioning properly again. But as far as dementia and Alzheimer's,
in fact, uh, these products have been so successful. Shack
called me again with his nephew. His nephew was suffering
from Tourette's syndrome. And it's been about a year now

(02:37:46):
since I've been working with his nephew, and he no
longer has science of Tourette's period none. He's back in school.
He's doing really really well. And you know, Shaq, when
he was speaking with me, he was like, so these
these products, your basic products.

Speaker 4 (02:38:02):
It he was just about anything.

Speaker 5 (02:38:03):
I said, yeah, shack, because what it does, it.

Speaker 12 (02:38:06):
Gives you an interra sular cleansing and inter salar cleansing.
That term is meant to be about a washing of
the cells. You know, it's the complete washing of your
whole sular system. So while you're taking these products, if you,
you know, change your dietary properly and give your body
a chance to rid itself of all the toxins, all

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the impurities, all excessive mucus out of the body. Then
a body become able to breathe taken oxygen again and
start to reform new sales through the entire cellular system.
You know, your entire selar system. And it has been
working over and over and over. In fact, I just
received a couple of more testimonials from people from a

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couple of clients last week. One was with a gentleman
who had HSV one and two and he told me,
after taking my products for four months, you no longer
have HSB one and two no longer has it. Then
another young lady she had cancer through her body and
after taking my products it reversed it. She no longer

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She went to two pet scans and it shows that
she had no cancer any science of cancer throughout her
entire body.

Speaker 1 (02:39:20):
So here for a second, though, brother Ail at twenty
six off the top, and we got some folks want
to talk you, but does this go back to what
your dad said? There's only one disease and it's mucous,
So they're.

Speaker 12 (02:39:30):
Folgious cue that in the court of laws that mucus
was the corprit for a lot of different things. Now
as far as cancer, cancer to me is a little
different because you know cancer, like when you have cancer,
the colon is actually a sowre that just doesn't heal.
So the formula that I have was going to start

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repairing that sword or whatever the cancer may be.

Speaker 5 (02:39:57):
And all it does is.

Speaker 12 (02:39:59):
Just go in and just start cleansing the body, removing
the old cells and revitalizing the body with new cells,
so you know, and in doing so, it's start reversing
just about any pathology that's out there. I am yet
to work with someone that has a pathology or any
form of cancer that you know, would be a challenge

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that I could really you know, show how these products
really work.

Speaker 4 (02:40:24):
And uh, so far.

Speaker 12 (02:40:27):
Everybody's been coming to me with just about any type
of pathology has been working. These products have been working.
That my father showed me how to formulan put together
to actually help people for real and not just do
it for monetary gains. Because a lot of people out there,
you know, have it just bombarded with people saying doctor

(02:40:47):
Saber approved, and you know, doctor Saber, it's a bunch
of AI stuff out there.

Speaker 4 (02:40:53):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (02:40:54):
It's ridiculous and a lot of So how do we
know which is the real one?

Speaker 12 (02:41:00):
What I tell people if their last name isn't bowman
bowa and my father's Alfredoboman, that's his actual name, was
Alfredoboman aka doctor Savii. I'm a dual bowman. Then my
oldest brother out there and Honduras who's running the center
the Aousha village along with my sister. He's Alfredo Bowman

(02:41:21):
Junior and my sister side my bowman. So if you're
not dealing with a bowman, you're not actually getting the
formulists that my father left and that you know, we're
using a lot of these people. They hear my dad
speak about different herbs and stuff, so they take that
and they just try to run with it. But they
don't realize when my father speaks on certain herbs that

(02:41:42):
you may mention, like everybody's calling me about the Bontana oil,
he just didn't use the Bontana oil alone. He mentioned
the batana oil because it's someone douras and that's one
of the oils that we use to formulate our hair
food oil. But it's just not b by itself. Because
if you're gonna use bontana Bontana oil by itself, you

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can use a coconut oil by itself.

Speaker 4 (02:42:06):
You can use an.

Speaker 12 (02:42:06):
Olive oil by itself, and all of will be affected
in the hair. But we formulate this we with these
other oils and herbs. That makes it more powerful. That
gives your uh, you know, makes your hair follicules grow quicker,
because what it does it unclogs the hair folicles around
around your head, around the scalp, and in doing so

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it brings him more oxygen and allows the hair folicles
to grow even faster and quicker. But Bontana oil is good,
but it's not gonna do it byself. And I've been
having people calling me like all day every day, do
I use that bontana oil? But I don't really see
no results. My hair is still the same, it's like,
and I tell him it's it's because when my father,

(02:42:52):
when he mentioned these certain herbs and things, he's not
giving you the complete formula. So people just take whatever
he says and run with it. But just so they
don't have the complete formu of anything with he steaks on.

Speaker 1 (02:43:06):
Right, hold that thought right there. Thirty minutes at the top,
and we got a bunch of folks on a question
for you, So let's get to them, and let's go
to Monte's calling from Pentagon Cities Online. One Grand rising, Monte,
you a question for Brother abdual.

Speaker 4 (02:43:19):
Brian rising. I'm brother Abdul. How you doing, Monte? I'm
doing good.

Speaker 5 (02:43:26):
Everything a blessing, okay. But I spoke with you two.

Speaker 13 (02:43:30):
Times already, like on the radio and you and I
was trying to get some information from my brother. He
got like protein in his yen and uh, he got
your protein in the year he got a ttp and yeah,
you said you can help him, but you know, and
then I understand you're real busy. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying

(02:43:50):
to say, if I get them help with my brother.

Speaker 12 (02:43:53):
Okay, well, you know you can refer to my website.
You could go in order my products on my website. Now,
this is what you do, my brother, because I received
a lot of phone calls from different people all day,
every single day. So if I don't get back with you,
please just be patient with me because I'm trying to
handle everybody at once. And now I'm now seeing how
my father what he was going through, because you know,

(02:44:15):
I used to see him sit up there on that
phone all day long.

Speaker 5 (02:44:18):
I said, you still on the phone.

Speaker 12 (02:44:19):
He's like, yeah, I'm sow on the phone up though.
I got a lot of people I'm trying to take
care of. Now I'm leaving that what he was doing.
But anyway, Uh, yeah, I have something that would help
your brother. So, uh, you can call me if you
could reach out to me. My number is three two three.
I got the number I got. I got three of them. Yea, yeah,
I got all three.

Speaker 4 (02:44:40):
I only use one. Only only use the three.

Speaker 12 (02:44:42):
Two, three five three five number to reach me now
if you use the eight one eight text text me,
uh your information only on that phone because I'm not
you know, I use that phone for text only. But
if you need to speak with me, contact me on
the three two three five three five eight nine seven
to and call me soon as soon as we hang

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up from the show, and I'll go everything with you
and we could get him started.

Speaker 4 (02:45:07):
Can I ask you one more question? Yeah, is it
a cure or you're gonna be reversed or managed? Man,
we're gonna reverse it. We're gonna reverse it, my man.
We're gonna have him on the right down and everything.
And he still you know, still, you know, he got
a lot better, but you know, yeah, Okay, Well, once
we're shore taking my products, we'll take it. Yeah, no problem,

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my brother, But call me, okay, thank you, Yeah, text
me and I'll call you back.

Speaker 5 (02:45:35):
I promise you. I definitely will thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:45:38):
All right, Thank you, Carl, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (02:45:42):
Twenty it away from the top of our brother Callus
is calling us from Waldorf. He's online two grand rising
brother call it's a question for Abdul grand.

Speaker 14 (02:45:50):
Rising, my dear brothers uh brother Abdul uh dementia and
related symptoms are running rampant in the African American community,
particularly in Maryland. Here to what extent does a slave
so called slave diet contribute to that particular disease I'm

(02:46:15):
talking about, You know, things like pig feet, chidling, smoke man.

Speaker 12 (02:46:20):
Think the it contributes one hundred percent to that. And
not only that. I was just watching the news Channel
nine news last night. What the other culprit is is
ultra processed foods. They were showing all these super processed foods,
these fake foods. So when you eat this stuff and

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start clogging arteries, to start clogging the brain and start
wreaking havoc on your whole cellular system. Once your cellular
system starts to break down, then you're gonna have a
problem because you cancer cannivey when your body becomes more
on the acidic side. So my products move you from
that that cidic side to more other alkaline side. So

(02:47:04):
you know, once you become more on the alkaline side
and start ritting the body of all the toxins, all
the grease, all the all the garbage, and all the
poisons from those ultra processed food along with eating pigs
feet and you know, somebody shouldn't beat pork anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:47:21):
You know, pork, that is.

Speaker 12 (02:47:23):
One of the most dailiest animals that you can. Now,
if you go out there and catch a wild boar,
that's different. But a pig, a domesticated pig, it doesn't
have any sweat glands. So all of that poison is
inside of that pig. And when you eat that stuff,
you know, your pork chops and all that stuff, it.

Speaker 4 (02:47:40):
Doesn't come out.

Speaker 12 (02:47:41):
So you you are giving your body stuff that's coming
from that pig. That's you know, and a lot of
these animals, they don't tell you, a lot of these
animals are infected. A lot of these animals are dead.
When they go out to go get these animals and
slaughter them, they already slaughter they already dead.

Speaker 4 (02:47:58):
So if that animal.

Speaker 5 (02:47:59):
Would just the cow or the pig or whatever.

Speaker 12 (02:48:02):
It is, chicken is diseased, then guess what's gonna happen
when you eat it. I don't care if you fry,
freaking see it, boil it, bake it. You can't get
that out of there. So when you eat that animal's blood,
it's gonna intertwine with your blood, and then you're gonna
have a problem, that's why. And not just only in Washington,

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we have it in la I mean if you go
into that, all you have to do go inside of
a grocery store where you are in your area and
watch everybody's body shape in that area, watch what they eating.

Speaker 5 (02:48:37):
Look look at the food in their basket.

Speaker 12 (02:48:39):
Everybody is basically eating the same exact thing, so they're
having almost the same exact problems. And when you go
to that doctor, when he looks at you and you overweight,
he's gonna run off and tell you, oh, I can
see right. You know you have pre diabetic. He tells
they get them to everybody who's a little bit overweight,
you're pre diabetic or your diabetic, and you have to

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get on blood pressure medication, which that has been recalled
about two months ago. They started recalling that blood pressure
medication because they found out with the blood pressure medication
it was giving people cancer. So you know you're gonna
lose lose situation when you go to that doctor and
try to heal yourself of anything. You know, a lot

(02:49:23):
of people put a lot of faith into those doctors.
But see, the thing about the doctor is not the
doctors of the yester years. No, these doctors are a business.
It's about uh, you know, your insurance claim money. That's
all they worry about.

Speaker 2 (02:49:39):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:49:39):
If you I don't care, if you've been going to
your doctor for thirty years, and if you walk in
there and say, well, doctor, I no longer have my insurance.
I've been coming here for thirty years. Can you help me?

Speaker 12 (02:49:48):
He's gonna tell you, and I actually almost promise you,
he's gonna tell you, well, go try to get one
of you know, some type of insurance that you can
come in here where we can treat you.

Speaker 4 (02:49:59):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:50:00):
Because it's all about them making money off.

Speaker 4 (02:50:03):
Your insurance claim.

Speaker 12 (02:50:04):
So and these new these pharmaceutical companies, they use the
doctor to experiment on you with their new drugs that
they come out with. That's why you have so many
people on so many different types of medication, because when
one medication doesn't work, they put you on another medication.
When you have side effects on that one, then you
take this other man and it goes on and on

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and on. But with my products, what they do they
go in and start removing all the excessive waste, start
cleansing the blood, start revitalizing the nerve system, so it
starts to treat the body from the inside out.

Speaker 4 (02:50:40):
Once your.

Speaker 1 (02:50:42):
Brother, we got to take a short bag wet. Some
folks want to talk to you. But also when you
come back, as you mentioned, the doctors, they put you
on medication, then you can have to keep on taking
the medication. If medication worked, why did you need a refill?
Is this the same with you a product that do
you still need to keep on taking it after you've
been cleansed. I'll let you respond to that. But also, okay,
more important, I'll let you talk to the folks who

(02:51:03):
want to who've got issues. They want to talk to
you about family. You two can join this conversation with
brother Abdulla. This is doctor Sabey's son. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and twenty two minutes away from the top day.
I will take your phone calls and grand rising family.
Thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning. It's
a hum day and our guess is Brother Abdul Abdul
is doctor Sabee's son is carrying on his dad's legacy

(02:51:26):
of healing people. Doctor Sabees you know, is called the healer.
And if you got an issue, a health concern, please
give brother Abdullah call. Don't wait for somebody else to
think that has a similar issue. Be proactive when it
comes to your health. And that number again is eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Sean
John's reaching out to us. He's in Atlanta, he's online
four grand rising Shaw John. Your question for brother abdul.

Speaker 5 (02:51:51):
Bayon Roger brother, how you doing?

Speaker 4 (02:51:54):
How you doing?

Speaker 5 (02:51:55):
Sean John doing great, great show? Three things real quick
dot ed reached out the function this dysfunction. Yeah, men,
that kind of situation, you know, that kind of come
up and down even a situation even as we age.

(02:52:16):
And also floaters in your eye floaters, uh you know,
re vision floaters. Can you go with that? And the
last one you getting squeezes went in? Uh colon, can't
you know? Colon you're Colon for mint special for men.
Those top three there if you can go with those, Okay,
Now I have treated all three of those what.

Speaker 4 (02:52:37):
You just mentioned.

Speaker 12 (02:52:38):
Now as far as the floaters, those eye floaters has
something to do with your the pigmentation, not the pigmentation
but the irish in your eyes and you have to
clean your blood, you know, with those eye floaters. Once
you start to cleanse the blood, then they will begin
to dissipate. You know a lot of people say, well,
the eye floaters, they you know, they blame everything on parasites.

Speaker 5 (02:53:00):
Parasites, you know, you do. If you're a meat eater,
you do have you know, certain amount of parasites in
your body. But they're not going to cause everything to
happen to you that that's going wrong. But as you
start to cleanse your blood, then those eye floaters will
go away. And as far as ed uh, your prostate.

Speaker 12 (02:53:19):
Gland is bombarded with all types of debris and you're
losing blood flows. So circulation is the problem with that one.
And I have a product for that, my Male Complete Balance.
The Male Complete Balance is designed to go into the
mail prostate gland and start clearing out all of the
debris and start helping with your circulation. That's very, very

(02:53:41):
very important. And not only that, if you suffer from
me D I will while you taking my product, I
was hiredly suggest that you walk and that would help
you know, with your heart and that would help your
blood flow. A lot better your circulation, your circulatory system.
So cleansing the colon, my bioelectric cleanse will cleanse and

(02:54:04):
nourish the colon. Not only just your colon, but it's
going to remove all the excessive waste out of your
larger and smaller intestines. And that has a lot to
do with it did as well. Once you start cleansing
your abdomen, your upper and lower intestines are removing all
the excessive waste out of your body, then the circulatory

(02:54:24):
system is going to start working properly again and you
will have that ample blood flow. See that's the problem
with people who takes the problem with people taking that
biagora and that salles all of that stuff. Your body
is clogged, so you know your prostrate is clogged. So
they give you this that sialits and that biagraa to

(02:54:45):
have your heart pumping harder to push that blood through
your prostate. But you don't want to do that because
when that happens, if you have a weak heart, you
can't have a heart attack and no but time is
going to start damaging the valves around on the art.
So you don't want to do that as well. You
want to completely clean your prostate gland. That's what you

(02:55:06):
want to do. And I have a package full of
males to my complete package that will help you completely.
And I had a lot of people, and I'm talking
about younger men came to you know that come to
me and say, man, I'm only forty, I'm having prostate problems.
You know, a lot of times they have to do
with the food that you eat. If you're eating a
lot of red meat, if you eating a lot of chicken,

(02:55:27):
it's gonna clog your i domen It's gonna clog you intestine.

Speaker 4 (02:55:30):
Along with that, it's going.

Speaker 12 (02:55:32):
To reduce the flood your blood flow to the prostate,
and it's gonna clog that as well. So you want
to eliminate as much meat as possible, you know, and
with the stuff that.

Speaker 5 (02:55:41):
They do now real quick, yeah, real put on this
last thing. I know you said with the floaters, So
what could I take? I know, people hot towels on
my head, I mean my eyes every night, I know,
doing your eyes stretching exercises, you know, of course, uh,
with with that, I know you said with the floaters,
because I know when I went to the doctor that
she would well it's not really a cure for It's

(02:56:02):
kind of like, of course, I know you age you agent,
but it's always a remedy cause it they don't I
know you have the answers. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (02:56:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:56:11):
See with doctors, if they can't go in and do surgery,
they always recommend is uncurable. If they can't go in
and do surgery, give you a pill to try to
heal you.

Speaker 4 (02:56:20):
Then they say it's it's incurable.

Speaker 12 (02:56:22):
But with the eye floaters, I guarantee my brother, I
have this an another product caused the bio energy revitalizers.
It will remove the floaters. You will see a decrease
after one month after taking these products, you will see
a decrease in the floaters. And after being all my
products are three months, I guarantee those floaters.

Speaker 4 (02:56:41):
Will go away.

Speaker 2 (02:56:43):
All right, I will go away with my brother.

Speaker 12 (02:56:44):
I have people call me about those floaters all the time,
and that's really prevalent in our community as well. But
to me, I mean, what I find in my studies
is that it comes from the food, all of that
stuff and invade your body, man, and start clogging the
system and start messing with the Yeah, I hold thought
right there, But.

Speaker 1 (02:57:04):
He's just got some folks who've got questions for you.
Erasing the clock now ten minutes away from the top.
Carol's calling us. Carol is in Atlanta online too, Carol,
a question for Abdul.

Speaker 15 (02:57:15):
My question is Hi, thanks you for cooking my call.
Thank you so much. I'm calling because my son has
h no cartilage between his hips and his cockst bone,
and so it's really his hip bone.

Speaker 4 (02:57:36):
All the ca.

Speaker 15 (02:57:37):
Cartilages is gone and the only thing they are recommended
a surgery.

Speaker 4 (02:57:42):
So that's.

Speaker 15 (02:57:44):
The many way that cattridge can be reduilt through the body.

Speaker 4 (02:57:51):
How old is your son?

Speaker 15 (02:57:53):
He's fifty nine or sixty?

Speaker 4 (02:57:57):
He's fifty nine?

Speaker 5 (02:57:58):
And hum much does the way?

Speaker 4 (02:57:59):
Is he is the overweight?

Speaker 7 (02:58:02):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (02:58:02):
He may? I would stay at least two hundreds of
all like that.

Speaker 12 (02:58:06):
Two hundreds okay, about about two hundred or so?

Speaker 4 (02:58:15):
Yeah, I would think like just to okay, well, I.

Speaker 5 (02:58:18):
Just need I just need a general idea of his weight.

Speaker 12 (02:58:20):
That's why I ask about his weight because I noticed
a lot of people, a lot of men and women
that are overweight. They start to suffer from need problems,
and they the doctor. When they go into the doctor,
the first that they said surgery. Okay, you go and
do that surgery is it's not it's gonna make it
worse because the problem is he has inflammation. So the

(02:58:41):
products that if he decided, if you decide to, you know,
start going on my products, he would have to reduce
his meat intake. And you know if he do potatoes
and sodas and stuff like that, he would kind of
have to cut out all that out. And what happens
is once you start taking my products, as he loses
the inflammation, the car it's still there, but it's just

(02:59:01):
being suppressed by the inflammation and all the excessive weight.
But once you start losing that waist out of his body,
then the cartilage is gonna magically appear, which is never
in anywhere. It becomes flattened. And so when the doctor
sees that, and they take full advantage of people in
our community, in a black community, so soon as they
see you overweight, the first thing gonna say is you

(02:59:24):
need a knee replacement. Oh you need to hear replacement,
When all you have to do is just lose some
of the weight. Now, if you're somebody on the slimmer
side and have you know, an injury or something like that,
and you had, you know, problems with your with your
cartilage or your knees. My bio mass, my bio mass
is the sea mass, along with three other powerful herbs

(02:59:46):
that helps rebuild the bone and cartilage back into your body,
back into naturally.

Speaker 4 (02:59:52):
It will help rebuild it. So with your.

Speaker 12 (02:59:55):
Son, if he gets started on if you decide to
get him selling on my program, I guess guarantee, uh
he be if he's on my products for at least
three months. I guarantee when you go back into that doctor,
if he does everything what I asked him to do,
they won't see that anymore. They're gonna say, oh, yeah,
well you know he doesn't need that surgery anymore. They
always I don't have people call me that. The doctors

(03:00:18):
said that so many times, and I asked, well, what
were you doing. The doctors can already see that they
lost the weight, so they just said, well, keep on
doing what you're doing. And you know you're doing fine now,
you know. In fact, a young lady had sent me
a testimony, well I reversed. She had cancer her liver
and they had masteticized into her bones. After after she

(03:00:41):
was on my products for about six months, it's out
her and I can see you that, I can see
the testimony system.

Speaker 5 (03:00:47):
When you are you know, you contact me, you text
me your name and it reversed out of her liver
and out of her bones.

Speaker 4 (03:00:55):
So when she.

Speaker 12 (03:00:55):
Went back to the doctor, they they still puzzled. She said,
she called me about two We used to go and say,
do you know them doctors? That doctor still calling me
asking me exactly where was I taking? What was I
doing to get it out of her? Out of her bones?
Because he said, in the forty years he's been a doctor,
he have never ever, ever, ever ever seen cancer extracted

(03:01:16):
from the bones naturally never.

Speaker 4 (03:01:18):
All right, hold.

Speaker 1 (03:01:22):
And Kelvin is calling from Toronto. Kelvin is online one
grand rising. Kelvin your question for Abdul quickly?

Speaker 5 (03:01:30):
Can you speak to the thing about the blood type
and the diet like some say if you have an
old type you should be eating more meat or ate
more plant based. Can you speak to that? There a
lot of us, you know, you know people everybody has
their own theories about different things. My brother, you know,
for me, you know, for me, I treat everybody, you

(03:01:50):
know my products. They go and they start cleansing the blood.
They go in and start removing all the toxins from
out of the body. They start to remove the old
cells and we vitalize nobody with new cells and doing so,
I don't care what blood type you are, is gonna
hear your body?

Speaker 12 (03:02:07):
I don't care. And we can do a challenge right
now on Carl Nelson's show. Somebody can call me after
this show with any type of pathology and I would
love to work with somebody with cancer. And so after
I treat you for three months straight, I want you
to go back on the Carl Nelson's show and you
tell him your results, and we're gonna, you know, We're
gonna put all this stuff, bring all this stuff to lights,

(03:02:31):
you know, and we can do a challenge right now.

Speaker 4 (03:02:33):
I'm open for it.

Speaker 12 (03:02:35):
If you want to call me and say I do
I have cancer, I have process, I have calling, I
have liver, I have kidneys, whatever it is, let's get it.
And I'm gonna show you the power of these products.
And with my father what I have learned my father.
Right now, I'm sixty four years old, and you know,
I've been studying with my dad when I was fourteen.
I remember he used to say, I'm dude, we go
into the forest. I said, man, we ain't going to

(03:02:55):
no forest. Man, it's Saturday after. I'm gonna go out
there and ride my bike with my friends. He said, no,
you're not. We're going to the far as. We're gonna
go look at for berger. We're gonna look for this,
We're gonna look for that. I said, okay, but you
know I used to bring my friends with me, so
I wasn't up there just witing running around as far
as by myself. But yeah, I've been studying under my
dad a long long time, and you know, I watched
his methods. He taught me his methods. I was out

(03:03:16):
in Honduras where he showed me all the different plans
to use. In fact that we grow a lot of
the herbs out there in Honduras, a lot of them
they're not prebby to the United States. Because I don't
use any herbs here from the United States because I
don't trust them. I don't know if they sprayed or
in anything, or what they have done. I just don't
trust it. So the ninety percent of the herbs that

(03:03:37):
I use are not from this country. It's not it's
outside the United States, and the formula that he showed
me how to use these different herbs. He showed me
like two different types, two different herbs I mean, I'm sorry,
two hundred different nerves, and he showed me how to
use them in different combinations to combat different pathologies. Now
I took it to a whole nother level because I

(03:03:57):
was the electrical engineer, and I learned that, you know
what electricity is. He also and my father he always
talked about, you know, the earths are electrical.

Speaker 4 (03:04:07):
So what I did.

Speaker 12 (03:04:08):
I formulate these herbs and I use the method that
I that I invented called bio electric heat infusion bio
electra heat infusion, and what that is. I take all
the herbs that he showed me, the commination of the herbs,
so I put them through a process and it heats
these herbs up to a certain temperature and then doing so,

(03:04:30):
when you take these herbs from your body, temperatures ninety
seven point six, ninety six point seven up around there.
So when you take these products, when they dissolve into
your body, then it's going to activate them all over
again from the heat inside of your body.

Speaker 5 (03:04:46):
Boom.

Speaker 12 (03:04:47):
So that's why these herbs worked that the way they do.
Where my dad was feeling people and six months, I'm
healing them in three months using that method. And right
before my dad passed, I had went over that method
with him, so he said, I do. When I come back,
we're gonna do it. But you know, when my dad
had left her doers, he never came back. So I started,
I went under, started doing that method and with the tonics.

(03:05:10):
He showed me this right before he passed, he had
this t ting tonic. So I took that tea ting
tonic to.

Speaker 5 (03:05:17):
A whole other level.

Speaker 12 (03:05:19):
So all the herbs he was using for that tea
ting tonic, I put him through that same process. And
I'm telling you, when people take that tonic, they say
I do as soon as I took it, three to
five minutes later. That energy because once that blood heat
up once, once your body heat up that that that
tonic and goes into your blood stream, then it's going

(03:05:42):
to activate it all over again, bow and you're gonna
have the energy. That's how I was able to extract
that uh, that cancel from that lady bone marrows and
out of her liver because these herbs went in and
started being souper effected quickly, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:05:59):
That duel, because we're just about flat out of time.
You have too minutes the top down. So before we
let you go there, how can folks reach you? If
you have a website email address over my website.

Speaker 12 (03:06:10):
My website is son up Save the La S O
N O F S E B I LA dot com
and you can reach me at three two three five
three five eight nine seven two. But please text me
because I get a lot of calls there so and

(03:06:31):
it may take me a minute to go through each
and every one of those texts, but I promise you
I will answer that text three two three five three
five eight nine seven two. I have to come back
on your show again, Carl. Well have a little bit
more time because I know you have questions and stuff like.

Speaker 1 (03:06:47):
Yeah, we could get to a bunch of folks. Thank you, Abdulla,
and thank you for what you do, and thank you
for continuing your dad's legacy as well.

Speaker 4 (03:06:52):
No problem.

Speaker 12 (03:06:53):
You know I love it and you were there in
the beginning. You were the first radio station in LA
that I had him on. So I thank you for
that one.

Speaker 1 (03:07:00):
All right, thank you, folks, And that with that class
is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. It
will see you tomorrow morning, right here in Baltimore on
ten ten WLB and in the DMV on fourteen fifty
WOL

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