Ashra Kwesi on Egypt & Ron Lacks on Henrietta Lacks’ Legacy

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show,
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank Grand Rising family, thanks for making us part of
your morning ritual again. Later, the master teacher, Asha Quasi
will check into our classroom. Now, Brother Quacy will share
how he started making trips to Egypt and why he
keeps on going back. Before Brother Quasi, Ron Lacks, the
grandson of Henrietta Laxe, will detail his family's fight for her,
justice for her after her sales were stolen and used

(00:56):
in many medical experiments. But to get a started moment,
tell her and speak with your De Troit based historian
Michael Hamilton. Well, let's get Kevin to open the classroom
doors for us again this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Grand Rising, indeed, call Nelson. Welcome to Thursday, the eleventh
of September. I know that number sounds familiar. It's six
o two am, and it's twenty four years since the attack,
the brutal attack in New York and during September ninet eleven,

(01:28):
two thousand and one, and there are lots of lots
of memorials going on today. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
No, I just remember where I was in ninety eleven.
Do you remember where you were? Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I remember exactly where I was and the moment that
it happened. I was watching the Today Show and Matt
Lower was doing a report and behind him you could
see on their screen something hit the tower, and yet
now I wasn't aware of it, and he continually talked

(02:03):
until the second one came and he said, wait a second,
something's going on. And and that was an interesting moment
historically as well as just in TV viewing, in and
of himself to be there to actually see it and
know it happened before you know, the news journalist was
able to talk about it. We've got Michael m Hotels

(02:26):
standing by too, as he's going to be the what
is it, the the.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Analyst, the analyst of university. Yeah, grand rising Michael. Do
you remember where you were nine eleven?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hey, brother Carl and brother Kevin. How's everybody doing this day?
As a family listener, Yes, I remember where I was.
I was at a radio shack at Plavonia Mall in Michigan,
be cause I was the manager of the radio shack, Wow,

(03:00):
and we were watching the coverage UH on uh TV
and heard that the Twin Powers were attacked, and uh,
you know, there was a lot of chaos, and I
remember the phone lines being jammed like uh uh for

(03:20):
people in that area, people in the New York area.
The cell phone lines were jammed because everybody was calling
one things of that nature. So the cell phone lines
were over uh were overpowered, overworked. So it was a
lot of chaos and people trying to you know, figure

(03:40):
out what happened, who was behind the things of this nature.
But then you know that's going to lead us into
uh leading to the uh, you know, invasion of Afghanistan
and h you're going to have reperences of mass destruction
uh as well. And you know, you have we learned

(04:05):
more about Osama bin Laden so and then also you
saw some anti Arab sentiments as well surrounding that also,
So it was you know, it was a scary time altogether.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, today is going to include moments of silence, community volunteerism,
and digital learning experiences. First of all, at ceremony will
be held in New York, where they will read the
names of nearly three thousand victims who died in the
two thousand and one attacks, as well as victims of
the ninth of the World Trade Center bombing. Six moments

(04:46):
of silence marked key times of the attacks. The Pentagon
will have a commemorative ceremony and Shanksville, Pennsylvania, there will
be a commemoration that takes place where the hijacked United
Airlines Flight now three crash tribute in light tonight and
there'll be two beams of light projected into the sky

(05:07):
near the World Trade Center site. That tradition began back
in two thousand and one. And there's a digital learning
experience and it's offering a free experience at the one
of the museums. I guess they're in New York. And
of course they're going to be things going on all
over the country to mark this outstanding historical event that

(05:31):
will live in infamy.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Dan Well, let me jump in here and share where
I was. I was right my microphone. Yeah, I was
doing the talk show of doing it from Florida as
a matter of fact, and at a TV in my studio,
And I was right before we went off because it
was six o'clock Eastern, six o'clock. I'm always got LA
time on my brain. So right before I got off

(05:55):
for the morning show and the second one here, and
I said, wait a minute, you guys, play has hit
the world trace the second one has hit this is
this is not an accent. The first one could have
been an accident. And they were all like what because
they weren't in the news mode. You know, they're getting
ready to play music and have fun. Is you know
this is serious, something's happening. We'll stay with us, Stay
with us. So they started calling around and and you know,

(06:18):
because one of the part of the staff, they were
flying at Chicago for some event, and I told, you know,
all the flights have been canceled. You might as well
tell a couple of work today because they didn't have
any information on what was going on. But yeah, that
I'll never forget that day, man, it was. It was interesting.
And the days that followed though too, also the follow up.
But you mentioned, though, Kevin, that you mentioned all these

(06:40):
events that are taken place today to commemorate a ninety eleven,
but also the fact that Charlie Kirk we got to
talk about him, Michael his they call him assassination. And
Donald Trump has ordered the all the flags on the
federal buildings to be at half staff, and some people
are questioning why because he was not a government employee,

(07:02):
He was not an elected official. You know, he was
just a dude, you know, so so some of the
you know, how do you square that? And you got
to be careful how we speak about this UH as
an analyst, Michael, you can understand what you're talking about.
Me and Kevin talked about this earlier that MSNBC, you know,
they fired Matthew Dowd because he he he theorized or
he spect expectator, you know, just said that maybe the

(07:24):
shot came from somebody on their side, and because people
blame the Democrats. How do you see it, Mike, what's
going on?

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
You know, I read the article dealing with uh GOP
analyst Matthew Dowd, who served in the George W. Bush administration.
I read that he was terminated by n s NBC

(07:53):
because of this comments. Vington post as an article dealing
with this, and you you want, you want to be
sensitive with your comments, but I think it personally, I
think it's an overreaction from MSNBC. I mean, keep in mind, now,
Matthew dillas White for those that don't know, Rebecca Cutler

(08:15):
is the president of MSNBC. This is the same woman
who fired Joanne Reid, and Joan Reid was very critical
of Donald Trump and Joy Reid was also a strong
supporter of the Palestinians who are being oppressed by Israel.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Okay, so.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's a tragedy what happened now the flags at the
White House being held at being lowered to half masked. Yes,
you're right. He wasn't an elected official. He wasn't an
appointed official. He was the co founder of Atturning Point USA.
He founded in twenty twelve, and it is a conservative

(08:57):
organization that targets youth. And he was credited with contributing
to Donald Trump's win in twenty sixteen, but also really
credited with galvanizing youth for Donald Trump's win in twenty
twenty four So he was good friends with Trump. He
was a big asset to Trump as well. But this

(09:18):
was also a man who didn't have who was not
fond of African Americans. He may have liked Candice Owens
at one point, but he has some very This is somebody.
Before people start mourning, they really should research him, you know.
I posted articles on our Facebook fan page, the African

(09:40):
History Network, dealing with Charlie Kirk dealing with his comments
about Michelle Obama, dealing with his comments about affirmative accent
things of this nature. Huffington Post. Huffington Post has a
piece here. This is from like twenty twenty three, and

(10:00):
I'm pulling it up right now. Well, first of all,
when he came to the Supreme Court back in twenty
twenty three striking down affirmative action in college admissions, one
of his comments was, quote, they do not have the
brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously, so
they had to steal a white person slot. And he

(10:21):
was referring to African American women with and he's referring
to them saying that they stole college degrees from white
because they got slots at colleges because of affirmative action.
They were able to go to college because of affirmative action.
There's a piece from July fourteen, twenty twenty three from
Hubberton Post Charlie Kirks, theare's Michelle Obama among black women

(10:46):
who quote still a white person slot?

Speaker 5 (10:48):
End quote.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Okay, Now, there's a whole climate of violence being permeated
and being foe minted, largely from Republicans. We saw it
explode January sixth, the January sixth insurrection, and we saw
the fifteen hundred approximately approximately fifteen hundred those insurrection has

(11:12):
got pardons from Donald Trump, who incited the insurrection once
he got back in office. So, yes, this is a tragedy,
but hopefully this will cause everybody to dial down the
political and violent rhetoric. Okay, Now, he also said that

(11:32):
there was.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
A piece.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
There was a statement he made about the Second Amendment
back in April twenty twenty three, a week after school
children three school children and three adults were killed at
the Christian Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, and Charlie Kirk
basically said that he's talking about the Second Amendment. I

(11:58):
think it's worth. I think it's worth to have a
cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so
that we have the Second Amendment to protect our God
given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.
Newsweek dot Com has an article on that called Charlie

(12:21):
Kirk says gun deaths quote unquote unfortunately worth it to
keep Second Amendment. So hopefully this will serve as a
learning lesson and people will dial down this rhetoric and
not blaming necessarily one specific person. But when you have

(12:43):
this rhetoric out here, coming from multiple people, it can
create a violent environment. We don't know all the details
behind who shot him and why, but the political rhetoric
needs to be dialed back.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
What about you, Kevin Well, there's a man hunt going on.
There's a man hunt going on, and wanted to ask
you guys about the fact that they had two suspects
or they called them subjects, and found out that neither
one of those were the actual shooter. And the guy

(13:25):
was allegedly shooting from the rooftop and uh and then assassinate.
They call it a political assassination. And I don't understand
why they can't seem to track that down. And what
do you think about the two supposed suspects. Was that
something you know, to feed the audience, to feed the

(13:47):
media and make it look like they were on their job.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
He's a person's of interest. The police arrest to them,
they're on the scene. You know, it was chaoticus proximately
three thousand people that were there now the shooter, according
to New York Times Analysis, and I saw information on
MSNBC this morning. The shooter was on a rooftop approximately

(14:20):
five hundred and twenty yards away. Okay, so you're trying
to put together pieces when something like that happens. I
saw footage right after the shot rang out. People started running,
people were dispersing, So you're trying to put together information.
Speak to witnesses. They saw this, They saw that, So

(14:42):
you may detain somebody to ask them questions. They may
be a person that's interest, doesn't mean that they are
actually a suspect. They questioned the people and found the
two people and as of right now, found out that
they weren't the shooters, and so they had had to
release them. But the the man hunt is underweight.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, he was quite the marksman from that distance. Only
one shot and they say, next Charlie Kirk was reaching,
you know, holding his neck and the blood was gushing.
And then the next thing, you know, the unfortunate demise
in this.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Sure and all I thought right there, because you know,
we some many of saw the picture. But let me
we're going to a short break, uh, Michael and Kevin.
But before we come back, though, somebody just sent me
this with what you said, they said. Tell Michael it's
true what he said. He's quoting Charlie Clerk, Charlie Kirk,
and Charlie Kirks as black women like Joy Reid, Katanji Brown,
Jackson Shield, Jackson Lee, and Michelle Obama used affirmative action

(15:42):
because they do not have the brain processing power to
otherwise to be taken really seriously, so they had to
steal a white persons slot. He talked to a guy
he hasn't even finished college yet, okay, and all these
ladies have a fast degrees. All right, I'll let you
respond to that when we come. I got another tweet
for you, Mike. Folks are up early this morning at
seventeen alf the top. They're gonna step aside for a

(16:03):
few moments to come back with I guess it's Michael Elmo.
Tip you want to join the conversation, reach out to
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back to the Carl Nelson Show and Grand Rising Family

(16:37):
events of waking up with us on this Thursday morning.
I guess it's historian Michael mltep is based in Detroit.
IM discussing the I guess the murder that's illegal. Turn
the murder. It was the killing of because some people
call an assassination. I know Martin, Malcolm and JFK were assassinated.
I don't know if it reaches that level. But anyway,
it was killing of Kirk's that's scene for a second.

(17:00):
The question let me throw some more because you respond
to that tweet that I got for you, Michael, Nancy
Mays was saying that the Democrats on this and sair falls,
she's blamed on the Democrats. I just want to respond
to all of that. We got some folks already want
to talk to you about Charlie Kirk, right.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Well, first of all, we don't know who shot him,
so to say that, to say that the Democrats are
responsible for this, uh, that's jumping to conclusions. But that's that.
But that's what oftentimes Republicans do. They want to uh
fire Donald Trump wants to fire doctor Lisa Cook from

(17:36):
the Federal Reserve Board, alleging she committed mortgage fraud. But
they haven't filed charges, she hasn't been convicted of any saying, uh,
so they want to jump to conclusions. We don't know
who who did it, So so the blame Democrats for
this from Nancy Mace as as some of the nasty

(17:57):
things Nancy Mace's had to say about transgender people. You know,
this is you know, but not at the same time. Now,
if you go back a few months when you had
the when you had the lawmaker in Minnesota who was

(18:18):
killed or people can call that assassination, that was an
elected official, you didn't see this outpouring from Republicans behind that.
Donald Trump barely said anything about it. Okay, when when
when that happened. But now you have all these Republicans

(18:39):
wanting sympathy and also, you know, we look at empathy
putting yourself in somebody else's shoes. Charlie Kirk was against empathy.
By the way, if you do research on it, if
you do research on this gap, this all, all this
stuff is easily available.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
But yeah, so we're going to see so will throw
this in there too.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Melissa Hortman Field and State Senator John Hoffman wounded and
targeted political violence. This is back in June twenty twenty five.
Republicans barely said anything about this.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well, Mike, let me jump in here and throw this
in before I take some calls for Barack Obama, you know,
offered his sympathy or or whatever you call it for
uh Philip. Yeah, and he's getting slammed online and people says,
you know, you know, you know what kind of dude,
Charlie Kirker, why you you know, why you always been
him and ee on this? And I mean they went
after him and I just posted it your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
It was not ben So Barack Obama made comments. I
read his comments briefly about Charlie kirk This is a
former president being presidential, Okay, So I don't think you
should slam Barack Obama for for that because also he
understands that we have to dial down the rhetoric. Okay.

(20:01):
This is a man who received numerous death threats when
he was president. This is this, this is this is
this is the man who was succeeded by Donald Trump
as a white backlash to the two terms of Barack Obama.
So when when you're you're going to have diplomats, you're

(20:22):
going to have people put in out statements like this
because they understand we need to dial down and reddit
whether you whether you like Charlie Kirker or not. Okay.
Now me, on the other hand, I don't hold it
elected fish. I don't hold it elected office, so I
can speak more freely.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Got you twenty four after the top. Michael m otep is,
I guess is a historian based in Detroit. Cliff's calling
us from Connecticut is online too, Grand Rising Cliff, you're on,
Michael mltep.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Hey, Grand President, brother Colin, Grand President. You gets brother
Michael at first person, I want to think you can't
blame my brother on this one, so I just want
to get back clear. But secondly, let me say this though,
and I want your listeners and please observed this and
the shooting took place, did you know a deed or
observed the disbursement from the crowd when the shot rang

(21:11):
out in comparison to when Trump got shot and the
ketchup came out of his ear, the whole crowd just
stood there.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
So maybe it's me.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Well, please observe that. So again, watch the tape and
the footage. Everybody dispersed when they heard the gun shot
in this case, but when the when Trump got shot
and the ketchup came out of his ear, everybody stood around.
So maybe he isn't me, but take that consideration. And
then secondly to religious thing with this Kirk all on

(21:43):
hearing how much of a Christian he was.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
So my point is, what do you think the image
of Jesus looks like?

Speaker 6 (21:51):
These people?

Speaker 5 (21:52):
And for black.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Christians, what does you Jesus look like?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Ps?

Speaker 3 (21:56):
What think of my gods? Bran Michael Okay, So dealing
with what does the image of Jesus look like?

Speaker 7 (22:07):
And hearing that Charlie Kirk comments that Charlie Christians and
things like this.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
So what you have is you have.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Like Christian nationalism that is being pushed.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Right, who is the boodsman in the White House and
who is the architect of Project twenty twenty five? And
you have a lot of these people, these pundits who
are conservative or say they are conservative, always invoking Jesus

(22:46):
and God and things like this. But the way that
they speak and many of their actions are not godly.
I mean Donald Trump is a perfect example of this,
mister two Corinthians selling sixty dollars Bibles that he hasn't
read and being friends for fifteen years with a pedophile.

(23:09):
I mean so, but the Christianity, the White Christian nationalism
becomes a galvanizing force to galvanize a base, to get
them to do things, to get them to support policies,
to get them to vote for people even though they're
voting against their own interests, and it's cloaked and racism.

(23:32):
It's the same white Christian nationalism that caused the resurgence
of the ku Klutz Klan in nineteen fifteen, the second
incarnation of the ku Klutz Klan in October nineteen fifteen
by the Reverend William Joseph Simmins. The research this the

(23:54):
Reverend William Joseph Stemmens after he saw the movie The
Birth of a Nation, which made the Kuklutz Clan the heroes.
He's the one who rejuvenated the ku Klutz Clan in
nineteen fifteen, because the clan had largely died out by
nineteen fifteen. They were found in December twenty fourth, eighteen
sixty five in Pulaski, Tennessee, Okay. And then they're going

(24:15):
to gain power in the nineteen twenties and become very
powerful again. Well, it was a white Christian nationalism that
was infused to galvanize people there. So you know, we'll
see how all this unfolds. But this is what they're
this is what they're doing. At the same time, a

(24:38):
lot of Trump supporters are realizing that they made a mistake.
Farmers in Arkansas who say they're about to lose their
farms in six to six months to a year because
of the terriffs, partially because of the terriffs, because of
Trump's terrors, or because they lost contracts dealing with de programs,

(25:01):
or they lost markets. When it came to cutting USAID
and the forty billion dollars in foreign aid for USAID,
a lot of people don't understand the US was the
government was buying food from farmers, okay, white farmers, black farmers,

(25:23):
and sending it overseas. So it was also adding to
the GDP of the country, but helping farmers. Well that's
been cut out now, Okay, so you got earlier this
month there were a white farmers who had a meeting
in Arkansas with elected officials talking about they're in dire straits.

(25:45):
We posted about this on the African History Network on
our Facebook fan face, the African History Network. Donald Trump
in twenty twenty four won Arkansas by thirty points. Arkansas
went over voted overwhelming for Trump in November twenty twenty four,
and now they're filling the backlash of that and they

(26:06):
want to and they want a government bailout. They want
government help. So now you want socialism?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Break it down. Thirty minutes after that, top they our family.
Michael m o Tap he's a historian and he always
brings factors. What I like about Michael, They always bring facts.
It always comes helps us provide us with some solutions.
He's a gassing this morning, and Rick in Northeast GCS
is joining us. He's on line three Grand rising Rick
here on with Michael m o Tep.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Clann Rise of call Kevin and mister Emotep. Yeah, he
raised the point that, yes, Michael, you raised the point
before I was able to raise it about the Hortman,
the representative from Minnesota and her husband being or the
other person. I think he said that was her husband
that was murdered in Minnesota. But no, no empathy, no sympathy.

(26:58):
You know, crickets from the Republican Park and these were
elected officials. No no half staff flag. Uh and this
is just ridiculous to half staff for that someone that's
not even elected official. But nothing for the So you
show you know, no no elected right right, you know,

(27:18):
and it just again shows the divisiveness of this president.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
We're certainly not the United States and probably haven't been
when you use the word united Uh, but this guy
is the most divisive president ever. And this is just
another example of that. You know, uh that you you know,
you're just gonna favor one side. You know, no sympathy

(27:44):
for the family, though they said even in the capital
yesterday they wanted to have a prayer for the you know,
the you know, some lawmaker had to pray. You know,
I don't think any of that happened for for Cortman
and her husband all right out of Minnesota. And also

(28:05):
wasn't it Pelosi's.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Husband out in California where the guy broke in and
beat him with a hammer. Same thing.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Crickets from from from the Republican side.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Nothing nothing, you know, So that pocasy.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, not only that to your point, when Nancy Pelosi's husband,
Paul Pelosi was attacked and almost killed, Okay, you have
Republicans making fun of it, you had you had Donald
Trump Junior making fun of it on social media. Is yeah,
and and uh Ezracline.

Speaker 8 (28:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
The journalist ez reclined uh point pointed this out and
I've shared this on my my personal Facebook page. Michael
m Hotep I got to put it on a fan
page the African History Network.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Ezra Cline in Uh, let me see. Midas Touch posted
this as well. He talked about Paul Pelosi to break
in to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and the brutal attack on
Paul Pelosi. But you have Republicans making fun of it,
of making fun of Paul Pelosi being hitting ahead with
a hammer. You had them putting out conspiracy theories about

(29:17):
what was behind it things. I'm not even gonna repeat
the conspiracy theories here. You have all this, so yeah, hey.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yeah, you know, I wanted to break ahead.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
I want to get your comment about a comment that
a caller made one of these Trump agents, that that
black Trump agents that call in with a bunch of nonsense.
But they brought up the part about the deporting these
Korean workers down at the plant and that they were
you know, these were union jobs that black people could have.

(29:52):
Now I must admit that, yeah, maybe they were some
jobs that black people could have, but I doubt if
they were union. I doubt if any of these Korean
and people were union people in a right to work state.
And uh, and if you know, and that would have
been the union was would would have been having a
big mistake if they allowed a bunch of foreigners, the

(30:14):
legals that weren't even union workers to work at a
plan and if they did, it was some deal made
up probably from the Georgia government.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Governor.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
People don't realize most Southern states, you know, I'm retired
from a union. Uh, most these Southern states are right
to work states, which when people don't know, means that
even though if it's a union shop, you are not
required to be a union member to work at that
plan or that you know, that work site. And so

(30:42):
I doubt very seriously these for that call of that
that Trump agent to call in, I doubt very seriously
that these Koreans were union workers at that plant.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
But so let me address that because from my understanding,
they were there actually to get training so that they
so that they could train American workers. M hm, Well,
I heard the Trump said that's what he would have
liked to happen. But but that was their purpose there
and and and they were there so they had visas,

(31:14):
but they some of them didn't have the right type
of visa to work. But from my understanding, they were
there to like get training to actually train workers.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Okay, well, so why would they that was the case,
and clearly they weren't union workers. Again addressing that Trump
agent saying the reunion jobs, what point.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
The union or not is not It's not really the
point when you've had one point two million immigrants who
have been uh deported since February of twenty twenty five.
So this is this is something I want to hit on. Okay,
So uh, we talked about this on Roland Martin and
filtered last Friday when when the job numbers came out

(31:59):
and the employment rate for African Americans went up to
seven point five percent, the highest is being since twenty
twenty one, you've had one point two million immigrants are
gone from the US labor force under Trump. This is
from Associated Press as an article dealing with this. More
than one point two million immigrants disappeared from the labor

(32:19):
force from January through the end of July twenty twenty five,
according to preliminary Census Bureau data analyzed by the Pew
Research Center that in who's people who are in the
country illegally as well as legal residents. Okay, now, I
thought immigrants were taking black jobs. If immigrants are taking

(32:40):
black jobs and one point two million are gone, why
is the unemployment rate for black people the highest is
been since twenty twenty one? Why did three hundred and
nineteen thousand black women lose their jobs since February? Yeah, no,
doubt your point that if you want to make immigrants
the scapegoat, but you don't want to deal with white

(33:02):
supremacy and racism.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Right right, right?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
And how that thought right there? Because we've got to
step aside. Yeah, by and Rick, I thank you for
your call. We gotta get caught up in the ladies
of traffic news and whether in for our different cities
twenty three minutes away from the top they I guess
this historian Michael Amiltep is based in Detroit. You've seen
him on TV. We're working with Roland Martin and he's
got his own programmer as well. You got a question
for him about what's going on today, not just about

(33:27):
Charlie Kirkwroke, but what's going on economically, what's going on
with our folks reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we taket
calls after the news that's next and Grand Rising Family,
thanks so waking up with us on this Thursday morning,
sixteen minutes away from the top of the hour. I
guess there is a historian, Michael miltep Is based in Detroit.
You we're talking politics, brother Michael. Before we go on,

(33:48):
let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,
brother Astra Quasi, the Master Teacher, will be here's at Chemictologis.
And also before brother Quasi though Ron Lax, who was
the grandson of Henrietta Lax. You've heard the story. He's
gonna give us an update on the families fight for
justice for Henry Hatta Lax. Also tomorrow's Friday, so we're
going to give you a chance to free your mind
on our open Phone Friday program again promptly at six

(34:09):
am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB,
and also in the DMV on FM ninety five point
nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL. All right, a bunch
of folks want to talk to you, Michael, and another
a lot of topics you want to cover. I know
you got to run, so if you are, just make
it quick for us to call us a line to
brother Man two from New York City, your questioner or
a comment for Michael Motech.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
That probody gone into all grand rising from Land and
three the African line, and thank you for having this
platform available for some reflective banking, Brother motep. Part of
the hypocrisy that I see that you discussed with previous
callers is that the media does not take it upon

(34:55):
itself or it's not forced to link bodies. Is use
of violence with the history of violence with the country
as a whole. That you know, energy cannot be created
or destroyed, and this energy that created this place called
America is based upon the genocide of you know, the

(35:18):
Aboriginal so called Native Americans and the Mayapa of black people.
And I don't see any way and to get your
thoughts on this that we can separate the two that
until we wrestle and deal with the historical ruse of
violence in this country is going to be very hard
to solve the violence globally for us because as you know,

(35:42):
there's wars going on on Africa and definitely and this point,
this out on our leptic might go September. It's not
the September eleventh, which was in two thousand and one,
which was a horrendous event. But also September is wenty
two of the fourth presidents who assassinated died. The twentieth president,

(36:06):
James Garfield, was assassinated in September eighteen eighty one. He
died in eighteen eighty one season. And William mc kenny,
the twenty fifth president, was killed died in September nineteen
oh one. And this inability to see how actions of

(36:27):
today relate to yesterday.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Is a problem.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
So I just spoken thoughts on that, my brother presidente.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Okay, So let's connect the two the okay, this connecttion,
thanks you fory question. Let's connect the two together. A
history of violence in this country and political violence and
the media not really wanting to tell the truth and
call things out, Okay, So we have to reckon with
the history. America was born out of violence. It was

(36:56):
called the American Revolution. Now they were fighting against a Digi,
they were fighting against a king, King George the third,
they were fighting against the British. But America was born
out of violence. And then when you have your commemorations
of the fourth of July, or as doctor Ishaka Musa
Barashango correctly taught us, the fourth of Ulyi. Okay, July fourth,

(37:17):
seventeen seventy six. Right, that's in the middle of a war.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
When we look at the.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
US Civil War, Okay, that was an internal fight over slavery.
And we know that during this Civil War, right right
at the right, after General Robert E. Lisa renders to
Ulysses as Grant April ninth, eighteen sixty five in Virginia,

(37:43):
we know that April fourteenth, Lincoln is shot. Okay, we
know we've had political assassinations, whether it's doctor King Malcolm X.
MegaR Evers. People leave MegaR Evers out of that nineteen
sixty three for some reason, he's left out of that now.
At the same time, when we deal with Trump's attempt

(38:05):
to quote unquote crack down on violence in Washington, DC, Chicago, Baltimore, right,
they don't they most of the time when we see
these in this analysis, in white control media, they don't
want to really pay a lot of attention to the
causes of crime and violence in African American communities, inequities

(38:31):
systemic racism, things like that.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
One.

Speaker 9 (38:33):
Two.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
They don't want to really acknowledge the strong, the powerful
work African American mayors like Brandon Johnson, Brandon Scott have
made to reduce crime in their communities, Okay, along with
community violence intervention groups. Okay, along with the Safer Communities

(38:58):
Act of twenty twenty two, that was a bipartisan bill
passed by that Biden Harris got put in office, but
that got put in place. Donald Trump cut eight hundred
and eleven million dollars in anti violence grants, most of
that coming from the Biden Harris administration. Donald Trump cut

(39:19):
one hundred and fifty eight million dollars in community violence
intervention grants that were going to local community organizations like
Force Detroit right here in Detroit, Okay, that were that
were intervening in conflicts, reducing violence in the community, reducing murders,

(39:40):
things like this, all right.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
What what what what?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Trump and and many of these other people and some
of the and some of these people in immedia, like
like Joe Scarborough on MSNB fight I had to stop
watching them again because of some of the some of
the rhetoric coming from Joe Scarborough because They're immediate response
is to send in the police. Joe Scarborough asked Brandon

(40:05):
Johnson a few days last week, a mayor of Chicago.
He said, in addition to restoring the funding and all
the programs things like this, when don't you need five
thousand more police? How'd you come up with this number
of five thousand. Why didn't you ask the black mayor
tell us what you need, tell us if you need

(40:27):
more police. Okay, when you look at.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
Washington d C.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
The Congress cut one billion dollars in the budget for
Washington d C. For Mayor Muriel Bowser, she's already said
they're understand from police they need to hire eight hundred more.
She's already talked about the programs community violence and convention,
things like this that they have going on and what

(40:52):
they need more. But when you deal with when you
deal with some white people, not all the immediate reaction
to any type of crimes in African American community is
immediately law enforcement and not wrap around services to deal
with the root causes of violence, to deal with poverty,

(41:12):
to deal with mental health. The Trump's Department of Education
under Lenda McMahon from the World Wrestling entertainment conglomerate. They
cut one billion dollars in mental health funding for school children. Okay,
so you have these cuts that were working reducing violence

(41:37):
all across the country, and now your response is sending
the troops, sending the National Guard. Are they gonna send
in the National Guard to Utah? Brother carl and brother
Kevin after Charlie Kirk just got shot yesterday in Utah.
Utah has a very low percentage of black people. Are

(41:58):
they going to send uh the National Guard into Louisiana? Now,
Governor Jeff Landry of a Republican MAGA of Louisiana, he's
asking for the troops to come in that there.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
And you know people are saying they should shut them
in the Shreveport But Mike, but Speaker of the House,
Mike Johnson, Republican MAGA Mike, and Shreveport is in part
of his district. He's not calling for the National Guard
to go on to Shreveport. So there's always a African Americans.
And this is why I'm not in a lot of
white media. I've never asked to be on MSNBC, STNN.

(42:35):
I'm perfectly happy being on African American owned the controlled media,
because I know the games that that these people play.
They always see African Americans through the prism of needing
to be policed but not protected and not invested in.
And we see this playing out in white controlled media
every day.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Got it, Thank you, Vince. And now it's just eight
hundred two five zero seventy eight seventy six to seven
away from the top. There. Brother Gregor's in South Carolina,
he's online. Three Grand Rising Brother, Gregor.

Speaker 10 (43:07):
Your question for Michael m otep Yes, grand rising brother
called Grand Rising doctor in hotel. You mentioned the term,
yes a Christian nationalism, And first of all, thanks for
mentioning that term. You're one of the first brothers I've
heard on the radio or TV even mentioned that term
to African Americans to get them more familiar with this movement.

(43:30):
And I've studied, researched it, and one definition I've come
up with is Christian nationalism can be the combination of
one racism, two white supremacy, and three religion. And that's
the movement that Trump and his people are pursuing right now,

(43:51):
mainly against African Americans. Now Here the main point I
called in for, I have a google for you.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
And the people.

Speaker 10 (44:00):
And I would strongly recommend that all brothers and sisters
to gain greater understanding, watch this documentary and the google
is a doctor inn hotel is praying for Armageddon. That's
praying for Armageddon. And have you seen this documentary?

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Get Arthur, No, I haven't seen that Praying Farm, but.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Real quick, because you're a break brother, Gregreen.

Speaker 10 (44:24):
Okay, Well, just my question is I would strongly recommend
that movie. Okay, do you think that Christian nationalism is
a topic that African Americans need to research today to
fully understand what's going on in this country.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Let me address that we're talking. We have to be
very specific. This is white Christian nationalism. Okay. Research Project
twenty twenty five is rooted in white Christian nationalism. Forty
seven if you if you google Project twenty twenty five, tracker,
Project twenty twenty five tracker, forty seven percent of Project
twenty twenty five has been implemented under the Trump administration

(44:59):
the first eight months or so the Trump administration. Okay,
Russell Vault, who's the ambuzzman in the Trump administration. He's
the architect of Project twenty twenty five. The person who
Trump is nominated to direct the Bureau of Labor Statistics
after he fired the lady who ran it because he

(45:21):
didn't like the unemployment numbers that were coming out. This
guy is an economist from the Heritage Foundation and he's
a contributor to Project twenty twenty five. For those of
the don't know, the Heritage Foundation is the right wing
think tank that wrote Project twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Okay, let me tell me here because we raised the
clock and I got a question for you, Mike, Michael.
This is a tweet question tweet us as greetings. Will
you ask Michael if he thinks the light rail kill
killing of the Buchanan Ukrainian girl by a black man
he's part of the Charlie Kirk killing.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's part I don't know. Is it part of the
Charlie Kirk killing?

Speaker 5 (45:55):
The killing?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
He didn't have anything to do with that.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure how
it would be connected. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
All right, Listen, we know you got to run your
on a tight schedule, so I want to thank you
this one. But how can folks follow you? Michael?

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Oh? Absolutely, visit my website Africanhistorynetwork dot com. Africanhistorynetwork dot
com also teach online history classes on Saturdays four pm
Substandard time, so we have them starting up this weekend.
Follow me on Facebook at the African History Network, The
African History Network my fan page on Facebook. We had
one million followers there. And then on YouTube Michael m

(46:38):
Hotep I am h O T E P. And watch
me Friday six pm Eastern Standard time on Roland Martin
and still to web about historical and political analysis.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
And what I like about Michael It always brings receipts family,
you know, just make comments. He's got figures to back
it up and always get very quickly.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Lastly, that last reference, Trump cuts more than half of
all federal funding for gun violence prevention, including in cities
like New York and Washington. That's from the Independent dot
col Independent dot Seal, but google that topic. Routers has
an article on it as well. Okay, Trump administrations slash

(47:21):
firtle funding for gun violence prevention July twenty ninth, twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Wow, thanks for sharing that with us. Michael, thank you.
Have a good day all right. Three away from the
top day I found we got to check the trafficking
weather in our different Cities. We're back with our next guest.
Hopefully it will be Ron Laxon, Henrietta LAX's grandson. That's
next after the trafficking weather and Grand Rising family. Thanks
for starting your Thursday with us. We just spoke to
a historian, Michael m Otep and now Ron Lax is

(47:49):
joined us. Ron is the grandson of Henrietta Lax Grand Rising. Ron,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Well, thanks for having me else, pleasure to be here.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Ron.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
For the folks who they've heard the name Henrietta Lax,
but many people don't know the story behind your grandma,
can you share.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
That with us?

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Yeah, you know she went to Johns Hopkins where they
stole herselves in nineteen thirty one and herself became immortal
cells that are the only cells that was able to
live outside the body. And it just it was did
you help with the cure for polio? The uh was

(48:31):
that outbreak we had getting old getting old Nelson?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's that's okay, But what did you first? Why did
she go to the hospital for though? Because it did
she was she had cervical.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
She has cervical cancer and she was getting she was
getting treated and while they was treating her. They when
they took a sample of a service, they seemed that
her her cells was fighting off the cancer cells and
her cells was able to multiply every twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh wow, so this this was outside the body? This
was this outside some petri dish or something. Where was
it in the refrigerator? Really deal with that?

Speaker 5 (49:17):
They put it in a peatridg This next day they
came and de came to work, and they seem that
the cells had multiplied instead of dying.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
So what do they do after they saw that, because
obviously that her cells were unique to say the least correct.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
So after they found that out, they they experimented on her.
They took another sample from her after they seen what
herself was doing to and this was polks warm. This
is this is after she had passed away, they went
and took another sample, and herself to this day is
multipling every twenty four hours. Like helped with the Kobo vaccines.

(50:04):
They don't have to do human tests. Whatever they test something,
they test healer cells, just like it went up into
space with Neil Armstrong to see what it would do
to the human body. They used healer cells.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
And I gotta ask you this though, did that have
anything to do with her death? All these they're running
experiments on her here, she's got a health challenge. Did
they delay trying to help to help us survive and say,
oh we found something here, you know, let's deal with
this instead of worrying about this lady who has a
health condition. Is that how it went down or was
it differently?

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Yeah? You know when they brought her in there as
a black woman, you know, we was experimented on anywhere.
You know. You know this just a fact. So when
they inserted the radiation bars inside my grandmother, that that
was a death sentence right there, because we all know
what radiation do to you. So my family's self as

(51:01):
though that her cells was fighting off the cancer cells.
That's why they took notice self it. So we figured, hey,
if they might have left her alone and not inserted
that radiation bought her, that she might have had a chance.
We never know to this day because that radiation ball
ate her from the inside out.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And let me just read something here for the families
that they understand because they call it halo cells, I
guess that's a nod to her name. This is they
were in high demand put into mass production. They were
mailed to scientists around the globe to do research into
cancer aids and the effects of radiation and toxic substance
gene mapping, countless other scientific pursuits. Halo sacks were the

(51:48):
first human cells successfully cloned back in nineteen fifty five.
They since been used to test human sensitivity to tape, glue, cosmetics,
and many of the products. They're almost seven thousand patents
involving halo sex eleven thousand. Let me ask you this, though,
rod Well, did grandma was in the hospital and going

(52:09):
through and they were running all these tests. Did your
grandpa know? Did the rest of the family know or where?
They just concerned with, you know, getting her healthy and
take it, getting her back home. But they know that
these doctors are insiders were running tests down her at the.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Time, No, we had they had no idea that they
was running tests on it. I mean, we knew that
she had cancer. You know, they knew about cancer back then.
You know, it was the number one killo back you know,
in them days. So we had no idea that her
cells was doing what he was doing, multiplying every twenty fours.

(52:47):
We didn't find them out until nineteen seventy five that
her cells was dead.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Miraculous then, and how did you how did you find
out what was it? You know, because all of a
sudden your grandma's dad, she's buried and and people are
moving on. How do you find out that it was
her sales that's being used all over the world?

Speaker 5 (53:08):
Exactly exactly. So my mother was going to lunch with
a friend of hers down the street and just what happened.
Professor was there at lunch with them, and is my
mother introduced herself as Bob at Lax and the professor
was saying, we're working with something somebody named Henrietta Lax,

(53:28):
and my mother said, that's my mother in law. So
day they put two and two together and that's when
the professor started explaining to her about heel of cells.
And that was the first time that my family realized
what was going on with Johns Hopkins and uh, my

(53:49):
grandmother sells.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
So had not for that that chance meeting, you probably
wouldn't have known, would you.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Or exactly I mean, we had was something something strange.
Had One day, one day, Jones Hopkins came to my parents' house.
This was before my mother found out about it. They
wanted to do tests on on Henrietta's children, and uh,

(54:17):
they came and took tests of all our children and left,
and we didn't hear nothing else about it. So, I
mean we was wondering what was that all about. Their
explanation was they were just testing, uh, to see if
Henryette's children had the same cancer as she did. So,

(54:40):
I mean my father was crafted to hear it because
he never heard anything about the tests, the blood samples
that they took and came back and said anything, Oh
you do have it, Well you don't have it. We
never knew until my mother had that lunches that day.
They that's where they use her cells and her children

(55:03):
cells to come up with DNA.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Mappy, wow, do any of the other so John Hopkins
have made the test. But do you know if any
of anybody else in your family has similar cells as
your grandma?

Speaker 5 (55:19):
No, never been never been tested for that. They never
told no more answers except for that day they came
and took blood from her children.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Well how do you how do you how do you
reconcile this ron your grandma has the is the only
person on this planet on this earth all these years
that has cells that can replicate, can live outside the body,
just in the Peatritish. You know, would you say when
you think about that, that's that's more than an extra
extraordinary I mean, your grandma is the only person, the

(55:54):
only person. How do you how'd you tell me how
you gauge that?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Exactly? I mean, you so proud that you know someone
in your family is able to help so many. I mean,
that's that's a that's a proud feeling that my family
holds to this day. But then when you look at
the pharmaceutical companies, who was who was taking and growing

(56:21):
her sales every twenty four hours? They got an endless
supply of healer sales and profiting from it.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
But how did you track that? Though?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Ron?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
How does the family?

Speaker 5 (56:33):
You know?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
It's it's like you made a product and everybody's using
the product. You're not getting paid, you're hearing about it.
It's all over the world. You got signs all over
the world using your product, your pro that's your personal property,
and you you only hear, you know, hear bits and
pieces of it and probably still the using that you
can't track. So how do you how do you you know,

(56:54):
kind of like you make a record and you sell it,
and your record selling in Tunisia and Brazil and you
you see number one in real, but you're not getting
any money from real you know. That's how I kind
of put it that way. How do you guys track
who's using her sales who and who's selling them to her?
Did you figure that out.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Right?

Speaker 6 (57:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (57:15):
We figured we know who's selling it. I mean because
it's on records, So, I mean they are totally trying
to keep us in the dog about that. So being
the representative of Henry at a Laxa state, you know,
I'll go through the ups and downs of finding how
to get the story out there. That's why I wrote

(57:36):
my book, Henriette e lexa untold story to try to
get you know, help anybody come and advised me on
what legal sees that I have to do to get
ahead of this and see if I could get the
Lax family what they deserve, because everyone, no one else

(58:00):
but the Lax family is benefiting from my grandmother sells.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Family thirteen after the top there with Ron Lax, the
grandson of Henrietta Lax herselves and be used across the
globe all kinds of experience, not just medical experience, but
also using glue and cosmetics. They just went to town
on her sales. And there was a book that was written.
Rona had to write his own book, and there was
a book that written that Oprah made a documentary or

(58:27):
a movie about Henrietta Lax what's the difference between the
book the previous book that this white lady wrote. I
can't think of her name. I know, you know the
name and your book is Was there any discrepancies between
both books?

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Of course it was, you know, because I mean it
was a white woman telling a black family story, which
was god diluted. I mean, that's why I had to
tell my own story. For instance, she had Henrietta was
educated just far from that that we was poor and uneducated.

(59:05):
I mean every picture that you see in my grandmother,
she looking like a movie star. She looked glamorous. I mean,
she came out of Clover and it's called, you know,
Lax Town. I mean, they owned their own land. So
she took pride in educating her children.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And what about your granddad? What was he saying, you know,
his wife is sick in the hospital. And then did
he ever find out that they were using hersels as well.
Before he made his journey.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Yes, before he made his journey, he did find out
that they was using heeler cells. And uh, it was
a funny story about that because my grandfather didn't know.
They sat there and explaining it to him and rebecca'
that's the name, rebecca' sclue. She wanted to do an
interview with him, and she had she had called my

(01:00:00):
grandfather and wanted to talk to him about it. But
through all the stuff they put my family through, he
my grandfather wasn't having it. And she had wrote one
of her books that when she said have you heard
a healer cells? And she was saying that my grandfather
thought that she was in a cell locked up, and uh,

(01:00:23):
just stories like that. It just didn't make no sense.
That my father sat down my grandfather and my father
set down with John Hopkins and they explained to him
about healer cells. It's just the stories that she had
in the book that didn't job with my family. And

(01:00:43):
my father tried to correct her, and she was told
my father that that was her book and she wrt
the way that she feel fit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, she wanted to say that that you guys were
uneducated unsophisticated or didn't understand what was going on. Is
that the narrative that goes through her that she tried.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
To pray about my grandfather because when she started working
with my aunt and my aunt Deborah, she just wanted
to find more out about her grandmother, which Johns Hopkins
wasn't telling too much about Henrietta Lax. But when Rebecca

(01:01:23):
Scout came in the picture, they opened the doors for her,
They opened the vault and gave her everything they needed
that Rebecca needed to know about Henrietta, but not the family.
So my aunt was trying to get as much information
as she could by that proximity of Rebecca's cclute being

(01:01:44):
in good with Johns Hopkins. And at the end she
still didn't get what she wanted because her and Rebecca's
schlute fell out. When rebecca'sclute wouldn't give any percentage of
what she was her which my aunt helped her. What's
the book? She wouldn't get a zero not you didn't

(01:02:08):
get my aunt one Red Penny to help her do
this book. And my family back in them days, they
wasn't they wasn't talking to anybody because they was already
taking advantage of the family, and we wouldn't let nobody in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
And hold I thought there wrong. We gotta step aside
for a few months. I'll let you finish your thought
on the other side. Family, you want to join this conversation.
Ron Lax, he's the grandson of Henryetta Lax. You've heard
of the hell of seals, all of cells we're used
for across the planet and all sorts of experiments. What
are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight, seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks are staying with us on
this Thursday morning. They see ninety eleven. It's eleventh day
of September twenty twenty five. I guess is Ron Lax
Ronni is the grandson of Henrietta Lax. You'd probably heard
the story or saw the documentary that Oprah did about
Henriette A. Lax, and Ron said it's lacking hot Pondon
the pun some of the information. That's what he's doing

(01:03:29):
this morning is feeling this it because her cells were
used in a variety of you know, medical and international
and all sorts of experiments. They used her sALS because
her cells could replicate outside of the body. He just
put in a peach tradish and the next day they
see more cells coming up. Ron. Did they do any experience?

(01:03:51):
Did your grandma have any other siblings? And if so,
did John Hopkins do any any sort of a test
on those as well?

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
No, they didn't touch nobody else but Buck Henrietta. Yeah,
like I said, her children, they did, but we never
knew what became of that. So she's off about the
only human being on earth who sells is able to
live outside the body and multiply every twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yeah, and that's my question is going to ask you,
how do you feel about that? Is there's some sort
of divine interventions? You think that somehow the creators decided
I'm going to give this one black woman this ability
to do this, or you know, because he could have
those selves could have been in anybody. But why, Henrietta,
do you ever ask yourself that question?

Speaker 11 (01:04:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Exactly exactly. So that's why I just want to elevate
my grandmother and talk about her story and and and
try to get some kind of control of it, right,
because this family needs need that. I mean, because it's
almost like that this black woman steal enslaved. I mean

(01:05:04):
her her sales is being sold and bought all around
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Leman, you be here twenty two having said that, though, Ron,
do any of these people, these big companies, these pharmaceutical companies,
these these medical companies are using your your grandmaselves. Do
they call you and even thank you or send you
a note or even send you a check or something?
I say, you know, just just thank you, man, we
use your family, your grandmasells, and they worked out for

(01:05:32):
us or thank you for allowing us this. Did you
get any of that from any of the folks across
the globe?

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Not at all. They fight my family tooth and nail.
I mean, they could take one percent, we probably be billionaires.
They probably give my family one percent of the profits
they make from hail of seals. We'll probably be billionaires.
But they choose not to not to drop a dime
on us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
So yeah's a question to Ron, how do you determine
how much money they've made though use your grandma selves?

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Well, a volve of heal of cells. I think it
was like something like close to one thousand dollars to
a vowve and that's no bigger than a Petri dish.
They said they made so much heal of sales you
can wrap around the earth seven times. That's a lot
of sales being made.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
And so the initial person who was selling what was it,
John Hopkins? Or did they sell it to somebody and
somebody sold it to somebody else. It's like having a
code and you copied, you know, it's like having a
code to Netflix or something. You give all your friends
a copy of the code. Is that how he went down.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
JOHNS.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
Hopkins said, they didn't profit from ourselves. They gave them away.
So they gave it to the pharmaseudo companies, and we
know to this day what they did with it. It's
a billion dollar business in the farm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
But having said that, though, did your granddad or anybody
in the family sign off on it? Because you know,
when you go to the hospital, you gotta sign papers.
Do you know if anybody signed papers indicating they could
do that, that John Hoppiins could do that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
No, that's what that's what became of that, that the
school medical thing. That's why now you sign papers when
you go on hospital because of what happened to Henrietta.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Oh wow, I didn't know that family. I hope you're
listening to this conversation Keenley twenty five Off the top there.
Ron Lax is the grandson of Henrietta LAXA hell of sales.
That's where used to his grandma. The only person, just
check this out, the only person on this entire planet
whose sales who can replicate outside. And they're still trying
to figure out why why Henryetta Lax? Do you think

(01:07:49):
it was something that because you said she went in
there for treatment, right because she had cancer, cervical cancer,
Do you think it could have been part of the
treatment that she was got the change to the composition
for shells.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
I think it was like you said the first time,
it was a vine divention there, I mean, and the
world probably needed that, and she gave it the card,
gave it to my grandmother.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
And so when did when did you find out this?
So were you in high school college?

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
I was in high school at the time, and that's
when we found out that they was using my grandmother
cells in nineteen seventy five and my family, my mom,
my mother came back home. She told my dad about it,

(01:08:42):
and that's when they wanted to find out more about
what did they mean. Can you imagine somebody come home
and telling you that your mother sells is living. I mean,
what did that even mean? We couldn't even my dad
couldn't represent around that. So he needed to find out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yeah, that's that's deeper right there. Because you say her
sales are still living. Does that mean what the scientists
are telling me, does that mean she's still living part
of her still living in all these other, you know,
places where her cells have been placed.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Technically, I would say yes myself. If her cells, that's her,
that's her, her makeup, that's her. That's why being the
executive over the state, that's why I'm trying to figure
out why her likeness, her biological makeup, why is not
rewarded to her estate? And I kind of find out,

(01:09:41):
you know, I don't know if you know about claiming that.
I had to. I had to just went through the
process of claiming the estate, so it should be some something,
some legal representative to where I could find out more
about them using her biological makeup.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Having said that, did did ben Crump? I thought ban
Crump was was on the case at some point is
he still there or was that was that inn check?

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Yeah, he's still he's still loan it. He's fighting with
the pharmaceutical companies. But I mean, what I'm what I'm
trying to do is the estate. The estate is a
gonna lacks. So by them using her biological makeup, her

(01:10:28):
photos that they use every day of her, that should
be awarded to the estate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
You know, we earlier this week we had an attorney
on a state attorney and tell us you have wills
and trust and and that kind of stuff to protect you.
You're here, you know, to protect you and the rest
of your family when you check out. Do you know
if she left had a will or anything like that
or anything that's saying that, you know, whatever I have
goes to to my family.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
With some of these she didn't have a will. She
didn't And this is a unique case because their selves
are still living. So, like I said, legally, that's Henrietta period.
I mean, there's no getting around it. So put it.

(01:11:20):
I put it, opened up a trust in her name,
and we see where we go from here. Because I've
I've been fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
This fight.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Almost as long as my dad when he first found
out about it, and his father before him. It's just
been a long battle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
This question too, because they use it all kinds of expers,
not just medical experiences. They used to say to make tape, glue, cosmetics,
when they when they manufacture these different energies, say cosmetics
or even glue, you know, and you read on the
back that what's in what's in the glue? What's in
these cosmetics? Did they mention her sales listed?

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
I'm thinking on not on on the label, but in
the where they manufacturing that that's where they use healer cells.
I mean, uh, by me be searching and find out
who uses herselves and what is then it's a it's
a long list. And that's what I'm going through now.

(01:12:22):
Because you would think they would have to license from
the estate to use her lightness and her biological makeup.
That's my understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah. But but you said you open up a trust,
So have you indicated that that is part of the
trust now?

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
If so, I guess, well it should be coming out,
you know. Like I said, I'm just finding out. I
wish my dad or my grandfather had got this information
because they do want deserve to see this through. I
feel kind of awful that you know most of my
family members are not here that started this fight, Well,

(01:13:02):
by god, I'm gonna finish it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Good for you. Thirty minutes at the top there I
found the voice of hearing is Ron Laxy is the
grandson of Henrietta lax Hersels have been using all kinds
of experiments and medical experience and also commercial entities that
I mentioned glue and cosmetics, and the family hasn't been compensated. Well,
if they say to you, okay, Ron, we want to
compensate the family, and they give you a blank check,

(01:13:27):
what kind of numbers would you feel in on that check?

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
That's all that's hard even that's all you even say,
because this fight had became more of a moral fight
than than a monetary fight. For me, I mean, I
would love to be for my family to be well
lost and not worry about inflation and the next common
they big dinner and whatnot. But it's become like a

(01:13:55):
moral fight and whatever whatever so much. I'll welcome it,
but put just to put a number on it, I
can't say. But you know who can say? The pharmaceutical companies,
because you look at them, how much money they make
off of heel of sales, what is they even to make?

(01:14:17):
Thinks they made thirty five billion dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah, but yes, that's astounding, twenty eight away from the
top of the our foundly Ron Laxer, Henrietta Laxis grind Ron.
But but having said that, if you all of a
sudden now you trademarked the name of the trader or
likeness of heels sales, is that in the public domain?
Can you legally do that now? As the folks in

(01:14:43):
the trade office are going to say, well, it's been
out it's been out there all these years, so it's
too late, or how does that work? Have you have
you reached that point in your research yet?

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
Well, well, like I said, I'm working with someone that
know about that field, so I'm not the date on that,
but I mean the way I see it that they
it's still henry at a biological makeup. And if you
look on the bylaws on on estates, it's talking about
using her likeness, her biological makeup and so on. It's

(01:15:20):
got a whole list of things that I looked on
what a what a state is, and that's you know
that main one is a biological makeup regardless they have
two different type of here. I think they made something

(01:15:41):
from healer cells. It's still hell of cells, no matter
how you worried. It's still another version of Feler cells
made it more stronger or whatever they did through what they.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Do twenty seven away from the top that way Ron Lax,
Henry of the LAX's grandson Ron so uh allside of
John Hopkins have they have? They have They're written the
check too. If they come to and and thank you
and and are you having discussions with them? At which
side are they on in your fight? Are they with

(01:16:15):
you with this or against it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
Did they against us?

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
I mean now now?

Speaker 12 (01:16:20):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
And with Ben I think that he was trying to
get them to say, look, hey, just why don't y'all
just do this for the family and get their blessings
because this what y'all have made is astronomical. I mean,
why are y'all being so selfish? Just look out for
this black family and and move on instead of taking

(01:16:45):
advantage of them and nothing nothing, I mean even on
their website they used to have on their bragging yes
selves stolen from Henryetta Lax on their website like they
was proud to announce that hey, we we know these
selves were stolen, but we're still using them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Twenty six away from the top at Ron like she's
talking to this this morning. We mentioned that Rebecca Scout
who wrote a book about this, and this is the
book that Oprah uh made the move? What's the movie
or documentary? Can you? Can you? Do you ever have
conversations with her? Did you confront her and say, hey,

(01:17:29):
what you got in this book is not correct. Here's
the here's the version, and can you can you please
correct it? Did you have that discussion?

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
Yes? Oh uh at a picnic table and she was
talking with my dad and I'm sitting like there, and
my dad said he would like for her to make
some corrections in her book. And that's when she told
him that this is my book. I kid, I don't
want to take that out. I don't know bothers to

(01:17:58):
make things more glorious or whatever. It was just things
that just didn't sit right with my dad. And he
never endorsed that. He never endorsed that Moore, he never no.
And my dad was getting he was he was getting
he was getting old, his his fight was almost done.

(01:18:18):
I mean, that's why you know, he came to me
and said, well, I need you to carry on, and
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Well, you're caring on the fight for real, because you
know this is serious and that's why you know, you
know the fact that this current administration doesn't want all
this information out there is this information in the black
in the African American Museum.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
In d C. Yes it is. Yeah, we went there
and it's in there. The Smithsonian, Okay, the black uh
at West Museum.

Speaker 13 (01:18:52):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
Places she is getting a recognition, but it's it's not
all about they give us all the plaques and the
and the metals they want. I mean, that's that's fine,
but it's still don't help the Lax family their their wealth,
their generational wealth. Everybody else family gets generational wealth, but

(01:19:19):
the Lax family.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Well, I'm glad you're stepping up and making a change
and keeping us because you know, we have to keep
the story alive because they're trying to They don't want
you to talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
You know that. Yes, Yes, that's what that's what I
speak it loud. And that's why any time you invite
me on Nelson, I'm here to talk about it because
it's such a proud honor to talk about my grandmother
and what she did for humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah, that's so true. Listen, hold that thought right there.
Melvin in Baltimore wants to speak us, but we got
to check the news trafficking wether in our different cities.
So let's do that and we come back and I'll
let you speak to Melvin family, so you two can
join our discussion with Ron Laxis, Henrietta Laxi's grandson, discussing
how they ripped off his grandma's cells and we probably
used them ourselves and didn't even know what are your thoughts?

(01:20:10):
Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
catch in and we'll take your calls next. And grand
Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Thursday
morning with our guess that Ron Laxi is the grandson
of Henrietta lax She was the first person, the only
person that has immortal human cells. They reproduce outside of
the body and they be used in all kinds of experiments,

(01:20:30):
including they used it for polio, They used it for
COVID nineteen as well as you mentioned earlier. People the
pharmaceuticals have used it, put it in Glue Cosmetics. They
they just found it. They went to town without even compensating,
well partially commensated, or really even any have many conversations
with the family before we go back to Let me
just remind you come up later this morning. We're gonna
speak with brother Ashua Quasi. The Master Teacher is going

(01:20:51):
to tell us about his trips to Keemi, and tomorrow
is going to be Friday. So it's going to give
you another chance to free your mind and join us
for our open phone Friday program again. Prompt six am
Eastern Time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB.
Also in the DMV on FM ninety five point nine
and AM fourteen fifteen wl RON As I sold your
Melvin's callings from Baltimore? Is a question or a comment

(01:21:12):
for ash on line too? Grand Rising? Melvin, you're on
a ron lax?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
How are you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
Grand Rising? Everyone online is reported that a suit was
fouled in twenty twenty one and the settlement was reached
through mister Crumb in twenty twenty three. Is something going on?
You're not a way of.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
No, Yeah, you're correct, You're correct, Yep, I'm disclosed. You
know we can't disclose the amount, but Penny, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Does that complete that loss to the Zach? Of course,
you know you can't tell get into the law. You
know the ttails and thanking Melvin for your call details
of the settlement, But is that does that cover everything?
Was incomprehensive because not just the medical folk, folks, the
pharmaceutical folks, the commercial people who put in in cosmetics
and and glue and all that. Is that does that

(01:22:11):
suit cover all that? Or can you tell us you
or is it just specific to the medical part?

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
Yeah, no, I can't tell about the suit, but yeah,
that's that's behind us down with Thermo Fisher. Can't tell
about that mount But we go on to the next one.
What Ren is trying to do, He's trying to build
up some some some momento to to keep moving on.
You know, if you knock one domino down, then you
go to the next and you have you know, you

(01:22:40):
have a record. I mean because they notice is wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
They know this.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
So I mean, the more companies that want to come
out and sit at the table, what is it talk
is welcome. But if we got to take you in
the court, we're gonna We're gonna we're gonna bring you
to court. So I mean you're gonna ask you how
many pharmaceutical companies or or makeup companies that are using
ourselves if we got to drag them in one by one.

(01:23:08):
That's that's their plan. But you know, like I said,
my plan the cover will cover everything is through the estate.
That's that's that's my big thing. That's gonna come it old.
That's gonna cover the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Yeah, but then you're gonna have to license her sales
to the estate. Has that been done yet?

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
Yes, Like I've just told you, I just felt that
all the necessary people work that where her is licensed now.
And you know, once she starts sitting off them see
some desistant letters, people will have to respond.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Yeah, but how how are you gonna find out? Though, Ronda, say,
a pharmacy pharmacist or scientists in the Philippines or or
in you know, Belgium or somewhere Australia are usual in
your grandma's cells and and didn't pay for them, of course,
And they replicate themselves outside the body, and they use
it in their experiments using it, and they're or created

(01:24:08):
a new line of cosmetics or a new new glue
and they're using it. How are you going to find
out that that particular company, corporation or whatever it is
is using your grandma cels.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Well, they do keep a record of who's buying healer cells.
They do get they do. You have to order the
healer cells to get them. Now, as far as the
other stuff is kind of a little over my head.
That's why I got the correct team in place that
knows about these things. And nowhere what's uh wait a look,

(01:24:43):
that's that's where they come in. But they do register
to buy healer cells.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Got you because because these are these are these companies
also reselling them, because you know, if they replicate, you've
got a couple you can sell it, and the person
you replicate for the other person, he can sell it.
It seems like a nightmare just to keep track of
who's Once you get the sales and they duplicate themselves
without any you don't have to do anything. Put them

(01:25:12):
in a Patriot dish. Then you give it to Mike,
and Mike does the same, and Mike gives it to John,
he does the same. How are you gonna, you know,
how are you gonna find the traffic?

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Don't they just blows your mind.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
Car.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Yeah, I'm just it's just like its you answer some
questions that that I have no answer for. Yes, that's
just the way it is. I mean how I mean,
I'm just starting out on this, and I'm doing the
best that I can to try to keep up with
these people because there is a way to track it.

(01:25:45):
I just don't know the details yet because I'm just
finding out about having to license these things. So I
should know. Now, you invite me back on once I
know more about what I just pushed in motion, so
I can tell you more about it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yeah, because somebody's making billions of dollars or have made
billions of dollars off your grandma already. You know, you
don't even know how many billionaires you've probably created. And
they're sitting there probably listening to Okay, he doesn't know
we un his grandma selves, and you know we didn't.
We didn't have to acknowledge it. He could be somewhere
in Tel Aviv or or somewhere in Austria, some you know,

(01:26:29):
somewhere around the planet's still using it, and if they
don't have to report that they're using it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Correct, Yeah, I gotta find Yeah, That's that's what I
have to find out. How you know, people can you know,
go it on their own or you know, how do
you find out that that's the bigion? All a quest.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Not away from the top of our family. Ron Laxes,
I guess he's the grandson of Henrietta lax herselves are
the only shells that we know of. They call immortal.
I means it's a human cell production. It reproduces itself
outside the body. Don't ask how they do it. We
still haven't figured it out why God created this black
woman from Baltimore and all of her cells can replicate

(01:27:16):
itself outside the boy. She's the only person, the only
body that they're in this planet that can do that.
And I know they did a lot of research into
a background. Do they come up with anything unusual about
your grandma?

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
Nothing but the healer cells, nothing but the healer cells.
And don't just say it just getting help. I mean
we've been kept in the dog, My family been kepting
the docks. I mean, look, how many entities can can
intervene and inform us on what we need to do?
You know, I try to get my book in some

(01:27:53):
of the historical Black college, so I can get the
students talk about this. It just needs to be talked about,
starting in the black community.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Oh yeah, because if we don't talk about it, nobody
else will, you know, because they're under the impression that
we're useless eaters. There's nothing. We haven't done anything for society.
We haven't done anything. And put your grandma's name out there.
What she's done for society, what she's done for the planet,
for humanity. I mean, this blows their argument away. But

(01:28:25):
let me ask you this, though, Ron, because Oprah did
the movie on it, uh and some things were left out.
Did you ever have a conversation with her? Did Ben
Crump have a conversation with her, And if so, did
she say it was a is for a theoretical license?
It made you know, because it seems like about the
rebetter Scoots book is she took she you know, imbsted

(01:28:46):
the fact that that your parents were sort of uneducated
or didn't know what was going on. It made a
better story. Did you have any conversations that Oprah said, Hey,
I apologize, we missed the mark on some things, but
you know, just want to acknowledge. I just want to
acknowledge that that you know, we should have done more research,
any any kind of conversation with her, with her family.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
Yes, we did, and Rebecca's screwed put her down with
me because my my father and I were talking. My
father took my advice. That's why he never signed on
to that movie. He did not sign away his rights
to his mother. So when she when she met with me,

(01:29:30):
she explained that, look, I can understand that some of
the stuff in Rebecca's screw is not active. When I was,
she said, I'm gonna do the best that I can
to try to make it proper. And she did an
okay job. I wouldn't say she did the best job,
but she she gave it a try. I mean I
would life would have been better than what it did.

(01:29:51):
But Dad, we have it. I mean, she did her
best and that's all she could could promise me. And
she went by what we exclusive book was saying from
things that portrayed on the film. My father didn't agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Wow five away from the top of But they when
they started making the movie off the book, did did
they inform you? Did Rebecca Sluts informed that you sold
the script for the movie, And did they even invite
you guys to come in as a consultant and so
that you can make sure that it's whatever goes down
in the film, in the documentary or the movie, it's accurate.

(01:30:30):
Did did they Did they come to you like that?

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
They so? Did. They try to give the Last Family.
I'm not talking about one person. They tried to give
the Last family. I think it was something like fifty
thousand dollars to sign their rights away and split it
between the whole family.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
And was that accepted or rejected?

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Some family members selling doing it? But thank god, boy Dad,
he said no, he wasn't. He wasn't selling his rights
a way to his mother because in the contract I
mean that that that if he moved to the moon
or it was on venus, he couldn't talk about it.
I mean that the contract was so invasive to his

(01:31:24):
right to talk about his mother that he couldn't. He
couldn't think about it if he was in another universe.
Oh no, he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
He didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:31:35):
He didn't feel right signed in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
And I asked you this when you did your book,
did you ever hear from Oprah or Rebecca Slut? Did
they ever? Because I'm sure they read your book as
just to find out. The difference is, did did they
ever contact you after after your book came out?

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
No, now one of them reached out, and actually, you
know anything, So I would I just I just wanted
to change that narrative that Rebecca Sclute had about my family.
And that's why I put so many family photos and
everything in my book, because some people thought that we

(01:32:17):
lived in a shack down in Virginia somewhere and was uneducated,
poor and and and begging for money. And she came
in and and and popped us up and saved the
Lax family. All this story has been out there, and
The Way of the Flesh was the first good article

(01:32:39):
U uh documentary about Henry Relax.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Have you seen that one?

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I have not seen that one. I didn't know that
one existed.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
What's the title again, The Way of the Flesh?

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Okay, check that out. The Way of the Flesh.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
It's really good. I mean, but it was it was
known then, but she portrayed it like she was the
one that did.

Speaker 6 (01:33:04):
Hold.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
I thought, right there, Ron, I hear the music coming.
We got to step aside and get caught up on
the latest traffic and weather in our different cities. Let's
you finish your thought on the other side three away
from the top of the our family, you want to
get in this conversation, Ron Lax, reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and ticket calls after the trafficking weather that's next,
and grand rising family. Thanks for rolling with us on
this Thursday morning, Ron Lax and grandson or are your

(01:33:26):
great grandson or grandson Ron of Henrietta Lax grandson? Okay? Cool?
And those of you know you've heard the story how
her sales were used. She's the only person on this
planet that's with the term immortal human cells that can
replicate itself outside of the body. For some reason, She's
the only person in the entire world. Ron I got

(01:33:49):
a tweet question for you. Tweet, he says, please ask
if he can get Ken Burns, who works for PBS,
if you get him interested in doing a documentary on
the true Henriette A Lax story with your truth and
the updates in it. Once you know, if you if
you've reached out or can you reach out to Ken Brunch.
He just does some great work, really investigative work.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Oh wow, we love that. I would love.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Yeah, because, uh, you know your story, and that's why
we've got to keep repeating your story because we hear
what we see what this administration is doing. We're moving
all these books about us out of the libraries. People don't,
as I mentioned, the other folks don't think we qualified
to cross the street. We have, We have no use
at all. They think that everything that was made, even
though all the inventions and most of the inventions that

(01:34:35):
were made were made by us, our ancestors. But if
they ever knew that your your grandma's cells helps you know,
they use for polio, COVID nineteen that we just went through,
pharmaceuticals and glue, all the other medical experiences that we used.
They use black women cells. It probably blowed their minds.

(01:34:55):
They probably say it's you know, it's made up, it's
not true. So I just want to thank you for
keeping that story alive for us.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
Yeah. Could you know, if we get start talking about
black excellence, we'd be here for a long time. So
you yeah, we need to talk about it. And even
in my hometown, the hpcu's here in Baltimore now, one
of them reached out to me to try to represent
my book, which rebecca'scluse book is mandatory in colleges.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Really an hp us as well, or just all right,
I'll tell you what brother, I asked you a questions
stand by. But but Theodore and Baltimore, that's a quick
question for you shown line three. Theodore, can you your
question for Ron? Can you make it quick for us?

Speaker 11 (01:35:41):
Yes, sir, my question is the question is this, how
do you get the spiritual stamina to keep going? And
I'd like to also make a quick point. It's funny
thing they're giving you a hard time about this, but
you had a woman who broke into the capitol. They
gave her Trump gave her a five million dollars because
she got shot and killed. That tells you something about

(01:36:02):
this nation. And I'll also let you know be strong,
keep going on. We are all behind you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Have a good day.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
Thank you. Yeah, God giving me the will to keep
it going. Every day I wake up barbabus balls a
little tired. My soul is hurting, but I keep thinking
about my grandmother's legacy and that will keep me going
every time.

Speaker 11 (01:36:25):
Well, I'm gonna tell you also something I don't really ask.
Sometimes I used to without God's the spiritist. Don't worry
about it. I don't worry about why God did it.
God is good in every aspect of what he does,
and we can't really imagine what he does. He's good.
He did it. That's it. That's the reason. And just
keep going on and everybody's with you. But the sad

(01:36:49):
part about it is that when you get way up
there with celebrity and stuff for sometimes things go wrong.
The lady who wrote the book was she black or white?
Miss Smooth?

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
She was white.

Speaker 11 (01:37:00):
Okay, I have to get the book. I'm been a
little negative. I didn't. I didn't read it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
But well, but Theodore, what you get Ron's book? Ron?
And thank you for your call, Theodore.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Ron.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Tell him the name of your book.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
Yes, my book is Henry Elects The Untold Story.

Speaker 11 (01:37:16):
Henry Elected Untold Story. Amazon and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
Else, yes, everything, yeah, and bookstores.

Speaker 11 (01:37:24):
Like bunging Over. Okay, Henry the Story is everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
Yep. But if you go to BookBaby dot com you
can order it there as well.

Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
Thank you, sir, I have a good day.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Thank you, Carl, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Thanks to it all, and thank you Ron. Thank you
for sharing your story with us. Man, anything changes just
let us know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
Well, always a pleasure. It's all always a pleasure anytime
you email or brother, I'm more than happy to tell
my truth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Yeah, we got to keep the story out there because
they're trying to kill stories like that, so we got
to keep You make sure everybody knows that the sales
that your grandma is the only pressure on this planet
who had seals that could replicate outside of the body,
only person. And we don't, like Fiodor said, we don't
know why God did it, why he annoying had heard
to do it, But herselves have saved hundreds of thousands

(01:38:12):
of probably millions of people's lives. When we talk about polio,
COVID nineteen and all the other issues people using in pharmaceuticals,
they're using cosmetics, using it to make glue. It's just amazing.
One black woman from Baltimore. So Ron, please keep telling
the story.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Thank you, Miss Nelson.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
All right, thank you, sir. Eight minutes half the top out.
Let's bring in the Master teacher himself, Brother Oshua Quasi,
Grand Rising, Hotel, Brother Quacy, welcome back to.

Speaker 12 (01:38:39):
The program, Hotel, Brother Karl, and you had the master
teacher that was just on there talking about his grandmother,
Henriette Lex a very very very powerful story. And as
I always say, I'm just one of the black pieces
on the black side the chessboard, brother Karl, and as law,
as we stay on the black side and don't capitulate
to the white side, and we will win. Fortunately, we

(01:39:00):
got those who flip flop one minute they're black, you know,
and then they go on to the white side, and
then they started attacking the black side. So uh, you know,
so you know, I'm just one of the pieces on
the black side the chessboard, brother Carl.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Yeah, we're all trying to work out outside.

Speaker 12 (01:39:15):
Master you got you got a lot of the Master
teachers to come on your radio show. And uh and
our brother who was just speaking this morning, Uh, he
gave us some master Master teaching on his grandmother. And uh,
as I was listening to him, I was thinking about
the book that I read on medical apartheid, Harriet Washington,
and uh, I mean, I I don't know if anyone

(01:39:37):
read that book also that that book and talked about
how they used black women for experiments and on and
on and on, and uh, I was fortunate lectured with
her that may have been about May seven or eight
years ago, and uh, after she got done with the lecture,
you know, it was hard for me to even get
up and talk after that, so eaguerly with our brother

(01:40:00):
who was just going here talking about his grandmother. You
know that, And that's the importance is also brother Carl
of us, you know, making sure that we maintain and
try the best we can, you know, to uh, you know,
to keep keep everything, keep everything black and keep it
in a black business.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
You know, I mean jumping here a brother question because
because you go to Egypt every year, you go to
Egypt and and a lot of the questions that people ask,
it's on the walls there on the temple of the walls.
You see all the all the you know, what our
answers is created. And I'm listening to folks because right
now they think that we as a people, we're just
useless eaters. You know, we we haven't contributed anything to society.

(01:40:40):
And that's one of the reasons why we had ron
on because his grand what his grandma credit to humanity.
But everything that you see on those walls, can you
help us out here, brother, question and then tell us
why you make these trips and what was your indication
on the first your first journey to chem It.

Speaker 12 (01:40:56):
Yes, brother Karl, Well beat the walls, okay, I referred
to as beck and or with the Greeks referred to
as pylons. These are the massive wall structures on many
of the purtetas or tombs for of eternity and netter
heads or divine houses. I'm using the cometic names, okay,
that is referred to as temples today, and they're like

(01:41:17):
time capsules, Brother Carl, you know you're going back in
time depending on what Nissu or referred to as king
today who wrote at that particular time in telling the story,
and especially many the battles okay, to ward off is
fit or evil forces, because that was the purpose and
objective of the Nissu or the king okay, to maintain
my art in the land. And so that's the reason

(01:41:39):
why I referred to them as books in stone, because
that's what they truly are, books in stone. I mean,
there's nothing like it on the planet Earth, giving you
a history and as the original Netta Land, and when
I would say Tanetta Land, I'm speaking of the original
Holy Land. Okay. When we hear other names and places
referred to as holy. Those those concepts were really plagiarized

(01:42:02):
from ancient Kimmid. After all, when we look at that
phallopian tube, they gave birth to everything. As our brother
was talking about his grandmother, Henriette and lax. Okay, and listen,
deal with that mitochondrial DNA, all right, that mitochondrial DNA
with the first with the first African woman okay on
the planet Okay, without that mitochondrial DNA, and through their

(01:42:25):
own science that here we see the birth from African people.
This is where all humanity okay on the planet, everybody
on the planet Earth, is coming from that original black woman.
And that's one of the reasons why when we deal
with Kimid, it dealt with that matrilineal system. It dealt
with the goddess Okay, and Mary rob Mine Netter hemp
okay as the Chemitic word would mean divine wife. Okay,

(01:42:48):
and she did the research on as your hemp and
net their hedge means divine husband and divine wife. Because
in ancient Chemid they put divinity okay, in that whole
spiritual unity. So they understood that whole spiritual system that
it was based off of the African goddess, the African woman.
And so even to the point where you see on

(01:43:09):
the temples and you see that in the possession of
the Nisu and he's in a possession, and where were
they carrying here Carl the placenta, the placenta of his mother.
So here like we see even on Normous Palate in
the Chiro Museum, and you see him in a possession
and he's carrying the placenta of his mother to show

(01:43:31):
that he's coming from an African wound, and I mean
very powerful and as well as other temples, you see
that placenta is Carl clearly showing the power of the
African woman as our ancestor saw it, as she was
identified as anturk or we referred today as a goddess.
So I mean there's so much on the temples, and

(01:43:52):
that's the reason why we return back. And I have
to give recognition to my teacher, brother Karl, and as
doctor josephin Yakinin. Without doctor been Uh, many of the
tours that are going on, they would not they would
not be happening on the level of the educational program
that he started.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Prior to that.

Speaker 12 (01:44:11):
You know, most people who went to Egypt. The narrative
in their head, okay, was based off of the fact
that the so called evil pharaoh that enslaved the Jews,
and they would just go see the meres or the
Greeks referred to as pyramids, and then they would go
on to Jerusalem and that was the end of their tour,
and that was it. They didn't go into upper Egypt

(01:44:33):
to see the great nettterheads or divine houses okay, referred
to as temples. As I said a minute ago. Uh,
they didn't go into the protetas or the tombs of
Eternity and see all the great teachings on the minuments
and temples, and no one was there to even tell
them about it. So the consciousness of uh many Africans
prior to what doctor Ben was doing, their consciousness of

(01:44:55):
Chemid was based off of biblical narrative, okay, the so
called land, the evil pharaohs and all this madness. So
nobody wanted to really relate to Kimmic because of that.
So this is the importance of doing the educational tours
and following with doctor Benn started many years ago, and
I made their first trip with him back in nineteen
eighty one. I didn't know that I would be on

(01:45:17):
this journey. I wanted to return back. At that time,
I was studying ancient Kimmot, and of course when you're
studying something as fascinated as ancient Kimmt, you definitely want
to return back there to see all the great monuments.
You know, reading doctor Chancellor William's book, okay, Destruction of
Black Civilization, doctor Benn's book Black Man of the Now,

(01:45:38):
African the Mother of Western Civilization. Right, doctor, check out
the diaf The Origin of Civilization to Syladungee Houston and
all these and so many African scholars, okay, who at
that time were writing about ancient Kimmt and where the
Western world literally plagiarized many ideas from. So this was
the fascination for me that it was a dream to

(01:46:00):
return back there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
And listen, let me just me and ask you this, though,
brother question, what was it that doctor Benn told you
that made you want to take the first trip.

Speaker 12 (01:46:09):
Well, when I met doctor Bennett long Beach State back
in nineteen seventy three, and he gave a powerful lecture
on African history and African spirituality, and doctor Ben always
locked in on the African woman. And it's interesting that
considering trying that in with our brother who was talking
about his grandmother Henriette Lax and showing how that whole

(01:46:32):
spiritual matrilineal system of Africa and how our ancestors even
saw and when you go into the protetors or the
tomes of eternity, you see her stretched across and the ceiling,
and you know, and putting emphasis on that, and the
fact that from their empirical observation they observed the heavens

(01:46:53):
as an African goddess, all right, So that that is
very powerful. So of course, having a love for your
own mother, and understanding that micro womb that he taught
on to where we came from, okay, and getting into
the spiritual consciousness of other women, because keep in mind,
we live in a very misogynistic society, brother Carl, all right,
even in the teachings, okay, this come down to us,

(01:47:15):
even from the Bible and so forth. Okay, and the
evil of Eve and so just so many things that
I've talked on many times before on your show. So
and then such a system that we live in that
we as an African men already have taken on the
ways of our oppressor in relationship to the African woman.

(01:47:35):
I mean even on our tour. Okay, every brother must
help an African woman on that tour. So I make
sure that we are a microcosm okay what we should
be as African man, because you're not a man if
you can't help our own sisters.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
All right, and right there, brother Quasi, let's marinate on that.
We've got to step aside for a few moments. We're
picking up on the other side. And why you decided
to go to Egypt and why could you going to
Kemmid and doing all these tours year after year because
most people that go, they said, Okay, I'm done. I've
seen it already. I've got to Paris, I've seen the
Eiffel Tower. I don't need to go see it again.
But you keep going back to Chemid. So I'll let

(01:48:12):
you explain that when we get back. Seventeen minutes after Tompley,
our family we got the master teacher. You don't like
the name, but that's what we is. Brother Ashrod Quaestions,
I guess you got a question anything about Egypt. Kemmid
reach out to us at eight hundred and four five zero,
seventy eight, seventy six. I'm takeing phone calls next and
grand rising family. Thanks are staying with us on this
Thursday morning. This in ninety eleven and twenty twenty five

(01:48:35):
with our guests, the master teacher, Brother Ashua Quasi. I
always say this whenever we hears some of our scholars
coming to New York City, make sure you a guy
out there and see them, because you never know. People
are complaining they didn't get a chance to hear doctor
Welson and then even get a chance to see it
nearly fuller and all that. But now is the chance
to If Astra question is coming to your city, make
sure you check him out. And that goes for all
of our scholars. But brother, question, my question to you

(01:48:57):
before we left for the break was, in fact, doctor
Ben convince you to go the first time. But you
keep going back and keep going back, So how don't
you finish your thought on? Tell us why do you
keep going back? Has has anything changed you know? Each
time you go? Do you learn something new?

Speaker 12 (01:49:12):
Definitely learned something new every time, Carl. I mean keep
in mind that these netter heads behind houses, as they're
referred to as I mean again, it takes you need,
you need a couple of lifetimes right to study these reliefs. Now,
of course, doctor Ben he went for the jugular vein
of white supremacy and the jugular vein of white supremacy

(01:49:32):
with their religion, because that's where they indoctrinated us into
this belief system and dogma of Western religion, where many
ideas were literally plagiarized, okay, directly from the temples. And
that's so that's one of the things that I focus
on and following up you know, in the area where
he dealt with under religious concepts and things were literally
plagiarized from ancient chemids. So I make sure that on

(01:49:55):
many of the reliefs that we point these things out.
And I hear you know, many people, some people have
gone over and saying they can't talk at the temple. Well, fortunately,
my relationship with doctor Ben. And by the way, let
me also say doctor Ben's name still echoes in Egypt,
brother Carl. I mean, people still come up to me
elders and saying they missed doctor Ben. That's how powerful.

(01:50:17):
Doctor Ben's name is still radiates okay throughout the land
of Egypt. But many knew my relationship with him, okay,
traveling with him fourteen years. Okay, So I've never had
any problems okay because of my relationship with him. And
I know some people are saying, oh, you can't talk
at the temple as well, you know, so okay, well
let me, you know, not say anything. And they actually

(01:50:40):
told me to talk, Carl, That's the honest truth. Is
it crazy? You know, we enjoy seeing hearing you talk
here at the temple, you know. So again, I've never
had that problem, you know, dealing with some of the
things that I'm hearing. Okay, But again, you know people
are coming over, you know. But I've had my experience
okay with the Grand Master Teacher, doctor Ben and himself,

(01:51:01):
and you got some of them will call it as
they are punks out there trying to excoriate his name, okay,
and things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
But like you said in the.

Speaker 12 (01:51:09):
African proverb, I would have said over a dead lion's
body would never be said if he is alive, okay. Uh,
Doctor Ben would have ripped them apart, okay, with these
little old or little punks running around out here.

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:51:22):
And one I even heard on your show a few
years back, even uh you know, did a little low
life excoriating of his name. Okay, but you know, I'm
not going to mention his name. But he did that
and even put a white female above doctor Ben and
doctor Francis Welding. All right, So this is what I
mean by black manhood, brother Carl, okay, and taking care
of black women. And that's one of the things that

(01:51:45):
we make sure that we do, in fact, you know,
Carl the King, to keep this whole spiritual system together. Uh,
that's one of the things that we even do. As
you said, my returning back to Africa for many many
years and what doctor Ben has done even for me
and saying that spirit okay in me there was referred

(01:52:05):
to as the ka and saying that nahst okay or
that spiritual awakening Okay, this taking place. So he raised
me in the craft of amen raw. It's a craft
that he actually created and started okay, to acknowledge our ancestors.
And by acknowledging our ancestors, okay and telling the story
of our ancestors, we're keeping the story alive when we

(01:52:27):
see many of these things that are going on today, Okay,
through the religions and so forth and holidays that I've
done on many occasions. Why did they keep repeating this
and repeating this okay to us and saying these names Okay,
Because as the old African proverb says, to speak one's
name is to make them live again. So we've got
to have names of our ancestors okay, to make them

(01:52:49):
speak again okay, through us and taking on those names.
So I continue to carry on that tradition that doctor
Ben started okay by having what is called the nest
okay or that awakening okay, and having the raising ceremony
of our brothers and sisters okay, Mary Raw okay, my

(01:53:09):
Nittra Hemp okay uh and mary Ra. I mean that's
that's the balance that you get when you come with us, okay,
because she gets she also gets powerful lectures. In fact,
she's the business manager of our tour, and we are
a black tour. We don't have no intermediary, no white group.
Is sad to see some groups black groups uh in
Easier brother Carl, with white companies name tags dangling from

(01:53:32):
their next okay, I mean, I mean what you know.
I mean, And then some profess to be so black okay,
And and and then and the profess that they're black,
but you get white agencies hanging from their next Okay,
that's the reason why we call our tour kimmit New.
Kimmitt New means black people in the chemtic name. Okay,
black people owned and operated by Mary Raw and us.

(01:53:56):
When you call us, you get us. You're talking to
us directly, all right. And as our brother was talking
about his grandmother. See that's the importance because you know,
I mean there's some cases you know we can't help.
You know, you might have to go through some you know,
the airlines or whatever. We don't control the airlines, but
you know, when you have, when you know you can
take control. Okay, then you take that control. And people

(01:54:19):
say you rather crazy. We get so much on your tour,
and how do you keep the price so low? Because
we don't have no white intermediary between us?

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
All right?

Speaker 12 (01:54:26):
We do this ourselves. And I'm expressing that very strong,
all right, because you know those out there professed that
they're so black, but yet you know, you know that
not even to be conscious of having their group running
around with white companies hanging from their necks. I mean,
I even make sure when I go out. I don't
have well, I don't even buy shirts or anything. They

(01:54:46):
got Nike on it. Now of course the shoes, Okay,
you know we don't make shoes. Okay. I might wear
to sketch your shoes, all right, but I'm not gonna
wear nothing on my chests or my pants with no
white companies names on it. I try my best not
to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:55:00):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:55:01):
Uh So these are some of the important things, uh,
that are emphasized, and that doctor Ben equally you know,
uh emphasized, you know on the educational tours. You know
that he did. You know, so again continuing that same
position that you know he has, and make to make
sure that you know, we keep it pro black. No, no,
not just talk black, but make it black, do black.

(01:55:24):
And uh so that's the reason why we had to
make our trip can it new black people? So that
was a lot there, Okay. Uh they have to put
emphasis on because I keep hearing some little chatter out
there in relationship of the negativity, as I said, in
relationship to uh, you know doctor Ben's name and such
and such and such and such and such. You know,

(01:55:45):
it wasn't a Kibo lawn or you know it was
something else, you know. And uh you know, first of all,
doctor Ben spoke more than one language, all right. Uh
so again that was a more name that he saw
with the name of Africa. Okay. That's how you know
he came up with the name.

Speaker 8 (01:56:00):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:56:01):
But like I said before, uh you know, none of
these challenges came when he when he was alive. Okay.
That's why when uh the little white guy who was
from New York Times, you know, called me and wanted
me to uh, you know, talk to him about doctor Ben.
And I told him, don't call me no more Carl, okay,
because right away we should know that that's the code,

(01:56:22):
all right, not to talk to these people, all right,
because why didn't you talk to doctor Ben when he
was alive? And then is he ran around to some
of the others okay, and uh and ran and they
start running off with their mouth okay. And then uh
the little white boy okay that takes doctor Ben's name
and puts it out there and scoriates his name okay

(01:56:45):
in New York Times, all right, only because someone to
have their name out there in the newspaper. But at
the same time, this is New York Times, is the same,
uh newspaper that was because doctor Jefferies to wear a
would prove rest you know. So you know, I mean,
these are the kind of things, brother Carl, I see
happen all the time, you know, and uh so I

(01:57:07):
bring them up to as you always mentioned many times
on your show, that we got to stay on code,
all right, and sometimes it's black that some people just
can't stay on the black side. As I started with
this whole talk on the black side of the chessboard,
and that's what I'm speaking of now. I'm speaking from
the black side of the chessboard, brother Carl, And we

(01:57:27):
got to stop capitulating to white folks, okay, every time
something comes up, and then we find ourselves being docile
and waltzing with these people, dancing around with them and everything,
and then try to step back on the black side
and be black, all right. So with some of these
people who go on the white side, I mean, we
should stop giving them a passport to come back on

(01:57:49):
the black side.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
So I don't know that right there. It's thirty minutes
after the top day, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
I quote you often cause you say, you know, we
need to know who we are, and we look at
some of the issues in our community. Know thyself. That's exactly,
especially when it comes to our young people acting inappropriately.
I always quote you and says, well, brother Quasi says,
if they know who they are, if they knew what
their ancestors were, do you know who they were, they

(01:58:16):
would never hate another black person, They would never try
to take them out. Can you drill down on that
for us, because I've just been you know, using your
name and quoting you, but know thyself. Where did that
come from and explain it to our audience?

Speaker 12 (01:58:29):
Well, first of all, I didn't start with Socrates. Okay. Well,
most people hear the word know thyself. Okay, Socrates plagiarize
that term from the rock ab Okay, rock Ebb. That's
the comedic word that means know thyself. Okay, rock ab Okay.
I heard somebody talk talk about nobody uses comedic words,
but me, I mean people just you know, come on,
you know, but anyway, that's rock ab know thyself. Okay.

(01:58:52):
So again, the knowing thyself is an ancestral self, Brother Carl.
That's what and know thysel thing that we're knowing that
who we are through our ancestors. Okay, that's what makes
us men, not because we're deifying, okay, ro oppressors, not
because we're in Masonic lodges, okay. And then only thing

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that we learn in those Masonic lodges is what the
Europeans plagiarize from ancient Kimate and then say they got
the secret when black men and women, we are the secret,
all right, because the secret was stolen from our African ancestors,
all right, or whether we're in Christianity, let's see where
these spiritual ideas were stolen and corrupted. Right That I've

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talked on many occasions, and I like to always do
it around the holidays, because that's the time that people
were so hyped up on the deification of white images,
all right, and through white idolatry, you're worshiping white images
when in fact, these spiritual ideas were taken from ancient
Timot and we see the spiritual nettruse or spiritual entity,

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not God's okay, that Europeans have said all kind of
negative things that make us to stay away from ancient Kimmid.
So this is the importance of knowing thyselves, because when
we know thyself, you can't hurt another brother or sister,
because seeing that brother or a sister, you're looking at yourself,
all right, that's what you see, all right. So by
saying knowing thyself then and taking the educational tours back there,

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and we see this awakening, we see this awakening happening
with brothers and sisters when we see them over there,
and we see the changes. In some cases, we see
those changes happen right on the tour itself, all right,
because you cannot deny what you see on the monuments
and temples, especially when I do a comparative analysis. Both
Mary Roy and I both we lecture every day. Every day.

(02:00:45):
I mean her lecture on the African Goddess, the spiritual
foundation of ancient Kimmid, I mean mind blowing. Okay. If
we're gonna deal with the mirors, we're gonna lecture on that.
If we're gonna deal with the temples, we wanna lecture
on that. So they're gonna have a thorough understanding, okay,
not just being a lookie lou tour, Not just just
walking through there and let the guides do everything. Okay, No,

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they're going to have a whole experience, all right. As
we mentioned in our tour, we called a trip of
a lifetime, and that's what we want to put in
brothers and sisters, and already put there, but for them
to experience this and something that they will never forget.
There'll be something that'll come up in their dreams. It'll
be something that they'll be able to see every day
in the walk of their life as they start to

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come back to this place called America and see the
various signs and symbols all around them and seeing that
that was all plagiarized from ancient Chemic and we've seen
that transformation take place in brothers and sisters as it
was with me, okay back in nineteen eighty one. And
seeing so much, of course, the moments and temples will

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just blow your mind, brother Carl, Okay, that'll just blow
your mind. But this the relief, all right. It's the
release and the information. Even though if you can't read
the mid dou Neture, okay, which are different times of
that medow Nesture. You got what is known as Petrie
calls the Predynastic. You've got the Old Kingdom, you got
the Middle Kingdom, you got the New Kingdom, but mainly
is during the time of the New kingdom that we

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can see a lot of repetition. And that's one of
the things that we do on our educational tour, brother Karl,
is that we make sure that the one name all right,
especially on the Great Temple of amen Ipitasut dedicated to
the Holy family amened Mutton Consu. I'm not talking about
no so called Holy Family of Rome. I'm talking about
in the great was set over four thousand years ago.

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And there I make sure on that temple, okay, that
was started by the Menehats in the Middle Kingdoms and
was carried down to the other Nissus where we see
that the kings who built onto the temple, and we
see Seti Wan who built that great hypostyle hall one
hundred and thirty four massive columns down the nave seventy
nine feet high, and then we see his son Ursa

(02:02:56):
Ma at rossip temple rob Messa Murray Alman. I make
sure that every member of the group is able to
read that name in the meddu neture before we leave
that tour. And we do that down in the area
called Albo Symbol all right down near the border of
Egypt and Sudan. We're talking about the great colossal statues

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of ersam At rossip Teparrah Missus Murray. Amen, we're talking about.
The facade is one hundred feet tall. Here he's sitting
on his Haru throne Ursa At rossip Tipperah Massu mury
amand sixty five feet tall. And there that's where we
do the oath to the ancestors. We call out his name.
We see that great Shanou. We read that name, Ursa
ma at Rasptepar Rah Messu mury Almen. We all say

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it together, Ursa the power of my art, truth, justice
and righteous Ursa ma aart Rah O kanda Rah, Septepin Rah.
He's chosen by Ra. All right, rab Mesu. He's born
of Ra and he's loved by ahmen. And it's interesting
we break down the name ceptepin Rah chosen brother Karl,
He's chosen by Raw. Is this where the European Jews

(02:04:02):
get God's chosen children out of septep and Raw? After
all Rah meeting the Sun Okay kiss African people, kiss
our ancestors and kiss still kiss us today from the
dawn of time. That's why we got meling and that
means we were chosen, and we're the first people on
this planet. We were chosen, not because some European Jews
running around talking about they God's chosen children. That literally

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was plagiarized out of Septep and rah okay Messu, he's
born of raw. So we say that all together, brother
Karl okay and bring that power and that energy all right,
and many brothers and sisters that I said, who we
turned back and we see that awakening of their car
their spirit within them, and seeing that awakening taken place,
than we do that hist we do that raising that

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what happened to know?

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
That thought? Right there? Brother, You've got to step uside
for a few moments. I'll let you finish your thought
on the other side. Also got a tweet question for you,
and he's quite true. You go to Egypt and cam
up with any of the toys, it's life chain family,
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(02:05:11):
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(02:05:32):
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(02:05:54):
Brother the question. I'm gonna let you finish your thought.
Then I've got somebody wants to speak. Got a question
for you, and I got a tweet question for you
as well.

Speaker 12 (02:06:01):
Okay, so I was ending with whyhamp Massut and what
himp Massut means a new birth. And you were mentioning
of know thyself, and so by knowing thyself we go
through even though we were born from our mother's womb,
from that micro womb, and but now we're going through
a spiritual birth, okay, a new awakening. So we have
the ceremonies there and called the whitehamp Massut. And as

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well as the brothers okay are surras of sons of Raw.
And then also uh, Mary Rod does the uh the
sid ras okay or the daughters of Raw and again
uh and then she makes these beautiful wasasketes o was
sket brother karl is a collar and she takes her
for five hours to make one collar, all right, to
honor those brothers and sisters who have returned back, Okay,

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to honor them for that whyhamp massut, that that new birth,
that that new awakening okay, Uh, for of knowing thyself okay.

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
And that was.

Speaker 12 (02:06:54):
Lasquette connects us to our ancestors. When you see on
the relief, you see the nessus and you see the
Karrie hebs meaning the high priests wearing durwasket. And that
was sket is a symbol of connecting to our ancestors,
to knowing ourselves and even the great mirrors and knowing ourselves.
And we go up and we make sure that we

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put our hands on the mirrors, and also do the
oath to the ancestors, as we do also with Ursum
at ross of Tempara Messu murray Ahman, do the oath
to the ancestors and honoring our ancestors, okay, and recognizing
that the great Miamis and temples. After all, here people
go back to Jerusalem, and then the Europeans Jews, okay,

(02:07:37):
have people go up to the whaling wall and they
put their hands on the wall because they're supposed to
connect them, as they say to Solomon, all right, so
connecting to their ancestors. So they're looking at this wall
is just the wall, all right? And one can even say,
was that really the temple of Solomon? But even Solomon
is only nine hundred years BCE or before the Christian era.

(02:08:00):
We're talking about Miamis and temples, especially the Meres, okay,
going back over four and five thousand years ago, all right,
the predates of Solomon's temple byt thousands of years. But
again one have to question if that is Solomon's temple.
But again we go back there because this is a pilgrimage,
brother Carl, all right, And again if people have places

(02:08:21):
that they referred to as holy lands, and for people
to go back to it. After all, as I said before,
this was the original holy land. This is where everybody
came from our own European Western teachings. Okay, the Greeks
crossed the Burning Sands, Okay, came into the northeast corner.
That's why the Masons say the northeast corner. All right,

(02:08:41):
But even though most of them were referring to Jerusalem,
also received from the bibical account, even though there's no
historical facts. But as we got it, Abraham's coming into Egypt,
everybody's coming down into the land of Temid that our
ancestors referred to it as all right, that the Greeks
referred to as a Gyptic gust. Thus we get the
name Egypt. That's why it's called Egypt today. So again,

(02:09:03):
if everybody else is coming there, and not only if
they are coming there, then this is where we should
go back to. After all, everybody has plagiarized from these
great nettor hits or divine houses. Okay, to make up
much of what we see in the religions of the
Western world, in Western academia and so forth.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
By the Carl all right, hold on thor right there,
fifteen away from the top there, Brother Corliss callings from
wald Of He has a question for you. He's online,
one grand rising brother Calis. You're my brother Asraqui.

Speaker 8 (02:09:35):
Thank you so much for bringing the history, true history
to us. And I want to pig it back on
the religious aspect. And many of our scholars, such as
John Henry Clark and doctor ben and have said that
religion is the deification of God, a find of a

(02:09:58):
people's culture and political intent. And Carl Marx said that
religion has been the opiod of the drug the people.
So I want to ask you, in the way that
modern religion religion has been practiced, has it been a
drug to our people to make us doc found in

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this society and h to dampen our aspirations of what
our true religion religious foundation has been. What say you,
my dear brother, Yes.

Speaker 12 (02:10:35):
Yes, my brother, Well you definitely said it all right there,
But I can even add on to that. This is
where the enemy became the deity and the spiritual subconscious
of our mind, something I've been saying for years, all right,
because through white idolatry and the worshiping a white images.
So yes, the religion has been a weapon. It's been
a weapon that all these others who have come to
make these various religions much in the manyy. The ideas

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or the dogma that we see in their belief them,
all right, are literally corrupt spiritual ideas that were literally
taken from ancient Kimmot that I've dealt with on many occasions,
especially around the holidays and so forth, which I always
do in December, because that's when we are in the
epitome of white supremacy Christianity and the deification of white idolatry.

(02:11:18):
All right, So I've emphasized had a lot on during
that time. But yes, you're one hundred percent right, And
because you can control a person's mind when you have
or worshiping images. Okay, that this outside yourself and you're
looking at that this is God, as I mentioned before,
God's chosen children. And these European Jews are running around
here talking about their God's chosen children, all right, and

(02:11:38):
this is the so called story that they've been running down.
But when we look at the evidence that we are
the first chosen people on this planet. And as I
said before, that was taken out of ancient chemmot, out
of the name Subtepenraw. So yes, you're one hundred percent right.
It has been used as a weapon. And then when
it comes to our own spiritual story, it's been demonized
and vilified, and through the demonizing of ancient African spiritual

(02:11:59):
system and so forth, then we want to stay away
from it. We don't want to relate to it. When
you go into those protetas and you see that black
divinity on the temples and the black images on the temples,
and seeing the whole spiritual idea about salvation and resurrection,
this is where the Europeans came in, all right, and
we're you can plagiarize ideas, but you can even see

(02:12:20):
where they were trying to erase, okay, and chisel out
some of the black images that you see on the
protetoes or the tombs of Eternity, especially in the Valley
of the Kings, that we take our groups there and
see it, I mean are breathtaking. I mean even that
alone just to go down inside those protetas and see
how they built down into the earth. And we're talking

(02:12:40):
about this is over a thousand years after the mirrors,
after the Pyramids. So I'm getting a little bit off
track to your question, but again, yes, you're one hundred
percent right, my brother. Religion has been definitely used as
a weapon.

Speaker 8 (02:12:52):
Quick follow up, my dear brother, Now, how is it?
How can we penetrate the mind of our young children,
and particularly those who are young babies, really having babies.
How can we get into that mindset and penetrate the

(02:13:13):
mindset of our young children and our babies so that
they can get out of that milieure, that that that cloud,
and so forth, and and and and and come to
that true beliefs and that true feeling. How can we
do that? My brother? I'm speaking first of the truth,
thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:13:33):
Well.

Speaker 12 (02:13:33):
First of all, it starts in our home, all right,
all right, you've got to make sure that the images
that you have in your home are images of our ancestors.
They've got to be able to see the spiritual blackness, Okay,
that commit energy all around them. That's that's number one.
And then start teaching on and showing u the great

(02:13:55):
history of our ancestors, and teach them about the great
ancestors going back bys of years. About m Hotel. Here,
this grand master builder and architect who built the world's
first known building. As I said, we dealt with the
spiritual dialectical laws of offices. So again, he was a physician,
all right, two thousand years before Pocrates. But let's not
forget about Pessashett. All right, the Mary Raw lectures on

(02:14:18):
who is Pessashett Okay, here she is the world's earliest physician.
Here is a kinetic African physician all right over four
thousand years ago who lived around twenty five hundred years BCE.
And that is Pessashett, the earliest known female physician. So
baalacing out with m Hotel. As our ancestors said, you

(02:14:41):
could not deal with a king without the queen. You
could not deal with the nestsu okay without without the
destitute also queen as well. All right, nessu hemps, I'm
trying to say you got the nestsu meaning king in
nessu heamp meaning the queen. I mean everywhere you look,
you see that spiritual law of opposites, and that's the

(02:15:03):
is fit energy that they're bringing to that the Western
world has always had. They have not had a spiritual
dialectical laws of opposites. So that's why we see that
even the homosexuality that is not an African way. Some
trying to say a homosexuality is part of Africa. No,
it's not part of Africa. That is a European culture,
has nothing to do with Africa. And now, through conditioning,

(02:15:26):
a lot of people's mind and even some scholars out
there are now trying to justify homosexuality. Wait a minute,
you can't deal with Kimid and talk about some homosexuality
when it's based off of my art, the spiritual dialectical
laws of offices, you could not conceive of a God
without a goddess and Kimmid. For there to be a nettar,
it had to be a the turk, all right, that's

(02:15:47):
the spiritual dialectical laws of offices. So in the spiritual
realm that referred to as the angelical realm as we
would refer to it today, here they saw God with
a wife. They saw the spiritual deity with wife. So
being the God had a wife, then what are we
supposed to do but our whole representation is about the
deification of the male gender. Oh heat, God did this

(02:16:09):
with me, he because that is the misogyny of the
Western world. They took and deified themselves, all right, and
deified their own gender all right. So again this is
a breaking down all this and sometimes when we start
to think about it, we can see how they have
made a corruption through the whole system. And that's the

(02:16:33):
importance of kimic because kimid goes back to a time
when they saw from their empirical observation of the natural
forces of nature, of Mother Nature, and those were the
principal and forces that rules the universe itself, and that's
why they called it a spiritual Mahakian law. And these
are some of the teachings that we have to bring

(02:16:54):
to our children or we'll have them seriously contaminated through
it's fit in energy that they're trying to now program
their minds, okay, to accept all type of decadent behavior
coming out of a Western culture.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
All right, old though, over there, thank you, brother Colls.
Got a couple of tweet questions for you, brother Quasi.
It's seven minutes away from the top of the out tweeter,
says Grand Rise in brother Astra, Please provide us the
name of the temple that has the modern surgical instruments
such as the scissors, the chapel and the like carved
into the walls. It shows the capability of the ancient
black comedic doctors to do so called modern surgery over

(02:17:33):
five thousand years before the birth of Christ, while in
the white man was living in the caves as tragadyetes
in Europe. Can you speak to that right?

Speaker 12 (02:17:41):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 4 (02:17:42):
Right?

Speaker 12 (02:17:42):
That is in an area known as Comumbo in Upper Egypt.
These are the prons, the pronx meaning is the house
of life, Okay, the house of life. And there you see,
it's one of the highlight areas, okay that a lot
of people go okay in that area to see the
medical instruments carved in stone were one system broke down
years back, and she broke down. She was crying as

(02:18:04):
she was looking at that, and she said, I am
a medical doctor and then a medical doctor, I had
to take the hypocritic oath that I had to practice
medicine according to that at Escallapiis. She didn't know that
Escalapius was m hotel, and she said, how could they
not have shown us this in med school. These medical

(02:18:25):
instruments carved in stone. Now, even though Europeans came through
there and stole the papyruses. Even where I would say
where the name Paper gets his name for papyracy here
in all of the netra heads or divine houses and
the uns of the House of Life, they had these
papyrusies even though they were stolen, okay throughout many of

(02:18:46):
the temples and house and which is referred to as
Alexandria Library by the Potolemic period. Okay that I've talked
about on many occasions. But even though they stole the paparacies,
one of the things that the ancient Commiteans did they
carved in stone, and that was the brilliance to validate
the history. That's why they're referred to as the books

(02:19:07):
in stone because they carved in stone and carved in stone.
You see the medical instruments here. You see a set
sitting on a birthing chair. Why is a set sitting
on the birthing chair? And the zep teppee in the
Chemtic creation story there was thousands of years before Genesis.
By the way, there was plagiarized from the zep teppe

(02:19:28):
with us said being the first woman and also a
sorry the first man. And there was no misogyny or
no negative energy. They were created simultaneously. There was no
rib taken from Asar to make a set. But back
to what I was saying, she's sitting on a birthing chair.
Why because naturally gravity. Now the baby will come down
into the water. And now we see women are hollering

(02:19:51):
because they're propping her up, and she's got to force
the baby out, okay, against gravity because the cave man,
that's the way he did it, and he still does
it today, right and now today help them. Pregnancy even
had a magazine out and saying that the proper way
that women should start giving birth is to sit on
a birth and chair. Well, that's carved in stone right there,

(02:20:11):
brother Carl, it's carved in stone. And keemmid right there
on the prounce of the House of Life. There we
see all the various instruments. As our sister who is
a who's a physician, who the one who broke down
and cried o case, she said, these are the same
medical instruments that we use to this very day. And
I paralleled them, paralleled them in my lectures when I

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talk about Kamumbo, because I talk on every temple every day.
Before our brothers and sisters get to the temple, I
make sure they have a thorough lecture as well as
visual documentation before they even get to that temples.

Speaker 2 (02:20:47):
So they're right right there. Again brother brother Ashra, we
got to take a short break again when we come
back and let you finish your thought. Another tweet question
for a family got questions, You can reach us at
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Actually want to speak to the Master Teacher Astra Quaesi
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(02:21:08):
twenty five. I guess is the Master Teacher Brother Astra
Quaesi call up a couple of friends and telling her
brother Quati's on the radio. They'll appreciate it and they'll
thank you because I'm sure they're going to learn some
stuff this morning, Brother quest, I got a tweet question
from Nigeria foid. But I'll let you finish your thought
then I'll read this tweet question from brother in in Legas.

(02:21:29):
Brother Question's still with us I'm still I'm still here
really quick.

Speaker 5 (02:21:31):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (02:21:32):
Yeah, I can hear now, go ahead.

Speaker 12 (02:21:34):
Uh yeah, you said you were going to read something.

Speaker 3 (02:21:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:21:36):
Yeah, I was gonna have you finish with your thought.
And then we got a tweet from a brother in Lagos.

Speaker 12 (02:21:41):
I I was just finishing up when we cut off
on our brother who was talking about the proocative house
of life and about the sister who is a physician
who broke down and cried. And we have many of
the medical back for In fact, this past summer we
had Sindu mwochep. In fact, Sinueno Chip was raised in
the crash, but Boma and Rah Okay, he's returned back.
We see and his cow and we even gave him
the name Sinou. By the way, he means doctor. So

(02:22:03):
we named him doctor m Hotep. And we named his
wife uh Pushett Pressa Sheett okay, which is the worst
world's first physician, world's first female physician okay. And I'm
sure there were some even before then, but this is
the one that was recorded. Presso Sheett did marry Raw
does a powerful lecture on her, as well as many
of the other queens as well as goddesses as I

(02:22:24):
talked about, and so brothers and sisters are returned back
from many walks of life. In fact, you know, we
have so many brothers and sisters returned back with us.
Brother Eric Harvey, I don't know if you know Eric Harvey,
brother Karl. He's in the Godfather of Harlem. She was
named known as Chance. He returned back to Kimmit with
us this past summer, and uh, I was, I was

(02:22:47):
shocked to how he found out about us.

Speaker 8 (02:22:49):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:22:50):
They have his a brother who's got a curator during
a curation or the curator in the Metropolitan Museum, Okay,
and I remember him calling us, okay and asking us
about some material to send to him, and we sent
it to him, and he put it in the Metropolitan Museum. Uh,
and put a clip of us Mary rod on us,

(02:23:10):
a video of as well was putting us in the
Metropolitan Museum book that he has, the Black Book, not
the Metropolitan Museum itself, but this Black section and it's
called the Black History of Ancient Egypt. And Uh, brother
Eric Harvey, who played a Chance in the Godfather of Harlem,
he went there and saw the video clip of us.

(02:23:32):
Okay there and uh, and came on our tour. So
that's how he came on the tour this past summer.

Speaker 2 (02:23:39):
Well, let me jump here for a second. I don't
know if you want a name called because you've you've
got a few celebrities have been on tour with you
as well.

Speaker 4 (02:23:45):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:23:46):
Yes, we've had quite a few. Uh uh uh you
see brother uh trying to think of his name play
for the Tennessee Titans football player Eddie George. Eddie George
the return back with us the median a sister now
Alicia Keys. She didn't come on our comedic tour, but

(02:24:06):
she called me to do a tour for her. Okay,
I did a personal escort tour for her okay and
her family.

Speaker 8 (02:24:13):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:24:13):
She came back and and some of her friends that
they grew up with, and she got the whole Metropolitan Museum.
H to herself that the things that money can do.
And as the first time I was in not the
Metropolitan Museum, at the Kiro Museum, I meant to say,
it's the Kiro Museum.

Speaker 5 (02:24:30):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:24:30):
She was able to get the whole museum, so it
was only us in the whole Chiro Museum. Solicia Keys
was able to buy the buy the museum for that day,
or at least uh was able to only have her
group when I was the escort for her in that
in the in the museum, and in fact it was
such a powerful experience for her she wrote a book

(02:24:52):
and even put a chapter about us in her book.
All right, So that was so she was definitely and
she when she called, she said, I'm looking for a
black tour and uh, everything I've gotten there that you're
the blackest one out there that could give me a
kimt new tour. So so I'm glad that she definitely

(02:25:13):
sees US is definitely black and she definitely wanted.

Speaker 3 (02:25:15):
A black tour.

Speaker 2 (02:25:17):
Gotcha five after tough, and I mentioned that she got
a tweet. We got a tweet from Legos Niger. Brother
Tokyomo is listening to us then, and he says, there
is talk them that most all West Africans can trace
their origin into Egypt. KEMMI is this true?

Speaker 12 (02:25:33):
Oh? Yes, I mean the the orbic system is it
talks about Okay and it came from the Great River
from from the east. I mean, keep in mind where
we see the origins Okay, the origins is coming up
out of the Great Lakes regions of Africa from when
the leakiest who let it all leak out? Okay, with
down the area of the the Aobe Adobe Gorge. In
that area we see also from the highlands of Ethiopia

(02:25:53):
of k brown h also Lake Kina and other areas
of Epopia we see the oldest anthropological sites. Okay. So
again this is where the birth of humanity right there
in the Great Lakes regions, and Africans went out all
over the continent to the South Africa all right, Okay,
to the west all right, and also in to the
north as well as migrating up out of Africa and

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migrated around the world. So when you look at the
fertility doll, that fertility doll, okay, that is that is
the unk for life.

Speaker 3 (02:26:23):
Right.

Speaker 12 (02:26:24):
Also when you look at the Auresius, all right, you're
you're looking at the Aresius. You see the even though
the names may be different, but it's the same as
the spiritual netarus of ancient Kimt. So we're talking about
the spiritual system is all over the African continents. I
started with the talk on the radio show Brother Karl
and dealing with the matrillineal system. All right, that's the

(02:26:45):
foundation of the spiritual system of ancient kimmt based off
of the African female. And that's all over the African continent.
The only place you see where it does not relate
to that matrilineal spiritual system around the goddess or the female. Well, okay,
that doesn't relate to that is in Europe.

Speaker 8 (02:27:03):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (02:27:03):
Their thing is all based off of patriarchical So that's
how we know that when we look at Kimmid and
look at the spiritual systems throughout the African continent and
showing that it's all one and it's the Philippian tube.
It's the Phalloppian tube of the Happy Valley, and that
is referred to the now today. They gave birth. They
gave birth to not only humanity, were our African ancestors

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who the first people on the planet Earth that I
talked about, but gave birth to the spiritual systems. It's
been corrupted into Western religions today.

Speaker 2 (02:27:37):
All right, got it, that's not a tweet, but I
guess you said an email And this brother, says Hotep,
a grand rising elder ostra Quasi, has been part of
the reason for my awakenment. I thank the ancestors for him,
and he sends me a picture and he says, this
is a pick of he and I when he came
here to Kansas City. I hope he comes back soon.
I accepted an African name, and I have changed how

(02:27:58):
I view myself and my people. Please ask him when
is the next tour? Is ju I want to be
on the front road. I'm his brother Greg. I guess
that's his slave name.

Speaker 12 (02:28:07):
Okay, hot up, peace, my brother Gray. H Yes, the
next tour or we will start organizing. We wait to
get our best prices, so we'll have the brochures out
by the beginning of November, okay, because we will try
to make sure we get the best prices we can
get because we want everybody from every walk of life
to try to make this tour.

Speaker 6 (02:28:28):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:28:28):
So we'll have the brochures out. Look for on our website.
That's kimmit New all right, that's kimmitt New dot com.
That's k E L E t in u dot com
and we'll have that up there. Or you can also
send us information and to be put on the list

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of tap to be where we can send you a brochure.
So you can go to kimmitt New at yahoo dot
com and say, please send me a Kimitt New twenty
twenty six brochure out and uh, we will definitely make sure.
My wife will definitely make sure she will send that
brochure out to you. So that said Kimmitt New okay,

(02:29:10):
k E M E T nu okay at yahoo dot com,
and she'll send that out and she'll put you on
the list. And that's the other thing too, brother Carl.
Then we say I mean this like the name Hotep
Hotep means peace. I mean I show brothers and sisters
on a temple where that is carved in stone over

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three and four thousand years and five thousand years ago.
And it's sad to hear some people out there talking
about these hole tepees. Well, first of all, the some
of the people who may have come onto a consciousness
new where You've got some other people out there who
are doing all kinds of stuff out there, this corrupting

(02:29:53):
the whole culture out here now okay, doing scams and
everything else. And now the new people coming on board, Okay,
see people out there running scams, okay, and one person
running a big old scam out there on schools and
so forth. Now they look at everybody that's talking about
African consciousness. In fact, I even saw one person said,

(02:30:14):
you got to watch out with these red, black and
green people, all right, who got anything with red? See,
this is a desecration, okay, that's taking place now, and
this can happen with you know, even one person out
there out there desecrating and scamming everybody, all right, and
it's causing people to you know, now say hotepies. You know,
you don't hear nobody saying that the Shaloma Lakers, okay,

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or you know, or any other term that's been used,
okay in relationship to the means peace, when in fact,
that is the one place on the protetus, okay, on
the tombs of eternities and the net their hits where
you see our ancestors put hotel that means peace, murray
even love. Okay. We find the earliest term of love murray,

(02:30:59):
all right, is right there on the temples of ancient
chemic So we see now, uh, new brothers and sisters
are being surfacing, and these new brothers and surfacing, the
surfacing through the internet, the social media with those out
there now desecrating the culture with the great ancestors and

(02:31:19):
elders who are out there who are bringing this information forward,
okay in the hotel like doctor Asa Hillier, doctor Ben,
doctor Francis Wellsing and so many others. And now we
see it being desecrated, even donable Marcus Garby's name is
being desecrated out there only because you have you know,
the person out there, you know, running scams on people,

(02:31:40):
all right. Uh, and I think that we have to research,
all right again when someone's out there and you know,
research the background. Okay, what they're talking about, what they're doing,
all right, We're talking about schools. There's a lot of
schools out there that are doing good things or not.
People out there running scams and saying they're going to
build schools and don't build a damn thing, but just

(02:32:02):
taking money off of people. My children went to a
black school, all right, and that's the honorable Marcus Garvey School.
And and uh Los Angeles, Okay, there was storyed by
doctor Onion Palmer. I saw the work that doctor Onion
Palmer did to build not only one school, but two
schools that my children went to. My children were doing
algebra in elementary school. All right, So you know, we

(02:32:24):
got to stop being gullible and just do the research.
I was out there all right, so uh so, but
I'm saying that because uh you know, as we say,
hotel now it's out there being desecrated and other names
and uh spiritual names that are related to us as
an African people, as I said, is out there being desecrated.
Because now you've got a whole new world out there

(02:32:46):
now called social media. And because of that, you know,
people are out there, you know, lying and uh got
mad egos are going insane on there now whether Carl, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:32:59):
That's out there. You got to be That's why I
tell people you gotta be careful what you read on
the internet and see our folks, you know, brother question
they don't like to do research.

Speaker 8 (02:33:07):
You know.

Speaker 12 (02:33:08):
And in site I have everything up there. You know
my relationship with doctor Ben. You know, there's people out
there I don't even know talking about They knew doctor band,
they did this with you and I don't even know
he was these people in every single there. That's why
I have a video I have a relationship and showing
it all right there. It is all right because I
have you have to do that now because people building
themselves up now off of lies, you know, literally lies

(02:33:31):
and so forth. I remember when doctor Ben was in
the hospital for people, people are running up there taking
pictures with them. You know, I worked with doctor Ben
for many many years. Who and the hell is this
person you know, trying to you know, get a photo shot,
you know, and trying to build a reputation off of
you know, running up to the hospital taking a picture
with doctor Ben before he made his transition. But yet

(02:33:51):
when his transitional ceremony took place, none of these people
were around.

Speaker 2 (02:33:57):
And so true, I remember that thirteen half the top
o them just.

Speaker 12 (02:34:00):
Add this the doctor around the building too. That's how
much people, brothers and sisters love doctor Ben, all right,
especially at the grassroot level.

Speaker 2 (02:34:08):
Lo Doctor John Henry Clark brond the building bro not
the building, Doctor Johnny Clark is We're always following people
are issues without studying their origins. Can you speak to them?

Speaker 12 (02:34:23):
Keep in mind, what did he tell us before he uh,
before he left. We had to watch out for fakers,
foods and frauds. That's what doctor Clark told us.

Speaker 2 (02:34:38):
Yeah, and you know, some people listening to this conversation
whenever we have people like the Chelsea scholars on or historians,
they they think that history doesn't matter. They say, you
know that can't get me on the metro. Why why
do I need to know about about all this historical
suff what's your response?

Speaker 12 (02:34:56):
And grandmother and great grandfather and great grandmother doesn't matter either,
all right? Let them become an elder, okay, and have
children and then tell them to your children, I don't matter.

Speaker 3 (02:35:06):
I don't matter.

Speaker 12 (02:35:07):
When I leave here, I don't matter. That's that's exactly
what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (02:35:16):
Yeah, as part of that self hate fifteen and a
half the top they have family. Got a question for
brother Ashoquation. You reached out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, Brother Quasi,
you mentioned that the physician who is with you on
the tour, because everything originated in Egypt, in Chemid with
our ancestors. What about religion? Did you see any did

(02:35:38):
you have you know, did you have any preachers? And
we encourage you with you on your tours.

Speaker 12 (02:35:43):
We've had we've had many ministers who have traveled with
us on the tour. And again it's like I said
before in the past. It's been a draw dropping experience
when they witness and see many things. Okay, that they
were taught in the European Western seminary school, But yet
was not that ancient Kimt was not taught everything of

(02:36:06):
kim It was based off of something negative, okay. And
the reason why Kimmit was always told in a negative sense, okay,
in the so called evil pharoh and all this madness
and demonizing and viilifying Kimmot because they know they stole
from ancient Kmmt. So when you look at Christianity, where
are the early Christian Father the Star? Where's origins? Okay,

(02:36:26):
Where's where's he starting at? In the Alexandria Egypt? Why
Alexandra Egypt, because that is the library that Ptolemy is built, Okay,
to honor Alexander, who wanted all the knowledge of Kimmi
to be stored in one place. Is doctor George M.
James and his book and Stolen Legacy told us he
got aristotles to plunder here these great netor hits, okay,

(02:36:48):
divine temples and take the library, take the scrolls and
put it in the Alexandra Library. So the Greeks were
there for three hundred years studying this ancient knowledge. And
then when the Romans came in and they studied for
four hundred years, and there's a byzantine rooms. Okay, we're
talking about another four hundred years. We're talking about over
one thousand years, Carl. They were studying this ancient chemetic knowledge.

(02:37:10):
And that's the problem that made of us have to date.
Most of our time is within a Western time. We
can't generally think outside two thousand years. Most of the things, well.

Speaker 2 (02:37:20):
Hold, I thought right there, brother, question you've gotta step
aside again. I'll let you pick it up from there,
because you know there's a mover foot to say that
Egypt wasn't black. You know that it was something else
the Egyptians that we know today. Hey, we're in no
black people in Egypt back then. I want you to
address that as well. Seventeen after the top thousand mentioned,
you got a question for brother Quasi, reach out to

(02:37:40):
seventy six. We'll take your phone calls next and Grand
Rising family facts are staying with us on this Thursday
morning in ninet eleven, twenty twenty five. I guess there's
the master teacher asha Quasi. You can get a chance,
you take one of those trips with him to Egypt.
You'll understand what she's saying, and you profoundly change your

(02:38:00):
life forever. I can attest to that, brother question. I'll
let you finish your thought. Then tell us why does
the movie foot to say that our ancestors, the ancient Egyptians,
weren't black. They weren't saying that there was something else,
but they weren't black because all they know all the
achievements that we've made by our ancestors, but they're trying to,
you know, say they didn't do it, somebody else did it.

(02:38:22):
So can you explain that first? I'll let you finish your.

Speaker 12 (02:38:24):
Thought first, Carl, when the Europeans, when they were first
coming into Egypt, in fact, in Webster's Dictionary in the
eighteen ninety you know, in eighteen ninety with who they
identified the Egyptians as they gave them the big N
word in Webster's Dictionary in eighteen ninety. Clearly at that

(02:38:48):
time they were clearly saying, as they are, who the
people are? You look at the miaments, look at the temples,
they always talk about the oldest and greatest colossal on
the planet Earth ra Haru and ecked that the Greeks
referred to as the spense as Count Berney who wrote
The Ruins of the Empire, who looked up at the
face of that colossal and said, as he was saying that,

(02:39:12):
as he was given the term, then a Negro face
or an African face, that's what it is. There's no
European that can walk up to that colossal and say
that this is a white man's face. When you look
at that colossal, as well as looking at all the
other statues and monuments and temples and seeing the faces.

Speaker 5 (02:39:32):
That are on there.

Speaker 12 (02:39:33):
So Europeans came, I mean, even the terms that the
early European Egyptologists used, Okay, and when they saw the
phenotype of the Africans, like Amenhotel Okay the fourth Okay
never kept a ruwa wah and raw. Amenhotep the fourth
he changed his name jug Naton. They said, well, he
has glaniard a disease. That's the reason why he got
full lips like he got. He got glamyard disease like

(02:39:56):
his father. Amenhotep the third, he got his Glanyard disease.
From this is the psychopathic racism that the Europeans were saying. Now,
if this is supposed to be a European civilization, why
were they digging up the cots that they referred to
as mummies? And I mean they dug up thousands of
cots in chem it and carry them to Europe and

(02:40:17):
ground them up all right. Not only they said it
would be medicine for healing, but also for Europeans to
sprinkle the cots, but from the grinding up to the
mummies on there like salt and pepper on their food,
so they would get the So if this is a
European civilization, would you grind up? Okay, your ancestors like that.

Speaker 14 (02:40:39):
This is what they did.

Speaker 12 (02:40:40):
They cut off heads. I showed this in my lectures
when I deal with the protetas the tunes of the eternity,
and before brothers and sisters get there, I show all
of this all right, so brothers and sisters can see
not only giving the history of the plunder of the temples,
in the desecration of the temples, but also giving the
spiritual system with the protetos ors of eternity is all about.

(02:41:02):
So again. Now today Europeans are looking at this and
going back to Hegel in the seventeen early eighteen hundreds,
he is the one that said that this is a
European civilization. Now Here we got the now here, we
got the now that four thy two hundred miles of
the now and this is not a Black civilization right

(02:41:23):
there on the African continent. You mean to tell me
when Africans were migrated down to now there was a
there was a boundary there. So we're not going to
go any further. When you look at these early kings, okay,
like Messus, like normal, and look at the pheno type
and look in his face and see there's no European
can say that this is a European. You look at
zolzer Net their kit who got Motip, and look at

(02:41:45):
Motep himself and seeing that these are African features. So
they don't want us to associate with the images and
the history at all. Why because they're a fear of
with doctor Richard King or two in his book The
African Biological Psychiatry, they're afraid of an African genetic memory

(02:42:05):
bank opening up with the Karl and with that African
ancestor genetic memory bank opened up, meaning that what our
ancestors did yesterday we still have in us today. But
it's lying dormant. It's lying dormant for which you said earlier,
through self hate, the denial of blackness in many cases,
in some cases, okay, denial of ourselves. So with our

(02:42:27):
ancestors and building those great mirrors Greeks called pyramids, and
building those nettor heads are divine temples and Ptet's a
tunes eternity. All right, we can still build tomorrow, may
not be on the same level that they did it,
but at least we can have the independence and starting
to build for ourselves. And that's always been the fear.

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And that's the reason why Thomas Jefferson did not want
Count Voney's book Ruins of the Empire to be published
in the United States, because they were setting up the
s a white supremacy and black inferiority, Brother Carl, at
that time, and the number one thing that they knew,
let's make Egypt white and say it's not black. When

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you look at the early writers, okay, they were saying
and using all kind of negative things and saying how
they were black. As I mentioned, Webster's Dictionary in eighteen ninety.
Anyone can look up there and see they say that
Egyptians is a in word. I don't like to say
the word because one of the things that they do
to keep us still in slavery is identifying our ethnic identity,

(02:43:33):
of the identity that we got on that plantation. So
to use the in word today, they want to keep
us an eternal slave. And to stay an eternal slave,
that means you're still identifying with a name that was
given to us. Okay, and say it to us and
whipped on us on that plantation, And if you say
it today, that means we're still a slave, a neil

(02:43:54):
slave today and identifying each other in a negative term.
Nobody else other ethnic groups don't do that at all.
And then we were in Ethiopia because we did educational
tours the Ethiopia up until twenty twenty, and political instability
took place, But that's now subsiding, and we're going to
start back up our Ethiopian tour next next December, by

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the way, and we're up and we're up in the
highlands of Ethiopia, up in the Tea region, and one
of the young brothers came up to us and said, uh,
you know, it's good to see y'all. He used the
N word, and brothers and sisters got upset, and I said, no,
it's because MTV. They sit it up in the villages,
and that's the identity. By us calling ourselves that, that

(02:44:42):
is carried out throughout the world. Everybody watches it. So
by us calling each other that on TV and the
movies and so forth, and who controls the movies? All right,
all right, so keep in mind who controls the movies
and who controls the media and so forth, and the images,
and they perpetuate this throughout the world and think that
this is how we're identifying ourselves. I'm going to off

(02:45:03):
track their brother Carl, but I had to say that
as well.

Speaker 2 (02:45:06):
Yeah, we got some folks want to talk to you.
At twenty eight after the top of the hour, Kevin,
let's bring in Dan. Dan's calling from California's online one.
Grand Rising, Dan, You're and my brother ash Quasi.

Speaker 3 (02:45:17):
Grand Rising, Grand Rise from my brothers and sisters.

Speaker 6 (02:45:20):
Grand Rising.

Speaker 12 (02:45:22):
Yeah, I'm waking.

Speaker 6 (02:45:23):
I'm waking up here.

Speaker 3 (02:45:24):
Kind I can see that they already awoke.

Speaker 14 (02:45:28):
Yes, you woke, you will Yes, but I want to
ask you this question, why were the Romans and the
Greeks soul was then, in a sense in going to
other places to village them and plunder them. And yet
this was that's the people in those areas of the
creation Huawei is so.

Speaker 8 (02:45:51):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (02:45:51):
First of all, the early Greeks like Herodias, Okay, he
lived around four fifty BCE, and he was the one
who wrote about the grandeur of the he said, I mean,
he spoke of things like they said, unspeakable greatness, you know,
I mean. And so he wrote about the grandeur of
ancient chemists so much that this when he brought that

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writing back. This is where Europeans became impressed in their
early tours. Okay, and the Greeks and then the Romans,
they all wanted to come there from the writings of
Herodotus and the early Greek philosophers Okay, even before Herodotus
who came there and studied like the Baggers who came
there and studied for twenty two years. And this through

(02:46:32):
that was awakening of Europe. Okay, from these so called
Greek philosophers, Okay, they just philosophied on what they studied
in ancient Chemmt. But the proper would be philosophy, because
they never understood the whole spiritual system of ancient Chemt.
And again and as they came in, because the Greeks
they had a love for ancient Chemot. There's one thing

(02:46:53):
about the Greeks. They had a love for ancient Kmmt.
But not the Comethians themselves, okay, not the Africans. Okay,
Comethians not love them, but they loved the knowledge. And
so this is where they usurped the throne. They in
certain in some cases made themselves, okay, the nisus okay,
or the kings of ancient Kimt. In fact, some of
them have been called themselves okay, like Photolemy to twelve,

(02:47:16):
he called himself the neo Dionysius. And what is the
neil Dionysius? The new Osirius? I mean, can you imagine that?
I mean, now he's calling himself the new Osyrus. So
when you go to the Temple of us set from
here we see that her great ntor head or divine
house dedicated to her per Set by the way. By
the way, Paris, France is named after Pera, said the doctor.
Check out the dialf told us. But anyway, back to

(02:47:38):
what I was saying here, he got up there for himself,
the neo Dionysius, the newel Cyrus. So again, this is
how Europe became an awakened to this ancient knowledge right
of ancient Kimmd. And as other Europeans came in, the
big plunder came in when Napoleon came in seventeen ninety eight,
and that's what started the white supremacy Egyptology. And that's

(02:48:00):
what it is, white supremacy Egyptology, because now they're saying,
we got to claim this for ourselves. So they came
in and plundered Draviti and Salt Henry Salt from Britain
and Draviti from France. I mean France and and Britain
were competing back and forth who could steal the most treasures.
That's why when you go to the British Museum and

(02:48:21):
you see all the African treasures in the museum, and
France and the Louver, that's because they were plundering all
these treasures of ancient Timid and Marriette a big statue
of him is right there at the Cairo Museum. And
why that statue was there because they were stealing so much,
and he also been a thief that he said, we

(02:48:41):
need to leave some things here in Egypt, all right.
And because he decided to leave some things in Egypt,
they built a big statue for him, even though he
was stealing a lot himself. So it's just like somebody
burglarizing your house and saying, you know what, we're stealing
so much out of his house, Well, we just leave
a little bit here, all right. And so that's why
they got big statue. And speaking of that museum that

(02:49:03):
was built in nineteen oh one, here we see Matt Sparrow,
who they got a bust of him also right there
next to Dravidi, I mean Marriett. But I'm speaking of
this museum because when you go there, there are these
plates right at the top of the building, in the
facade of the building, and it's giving the history in Latin,
and the first one is the Nissu King. It's well,

(02:49:26):
first is dealing with the spiritual zep Teppe and Thesara
set in Haru, okay, the spiritual story of ancient Chemid
and then it goes down into normal and it's got
all the kings of Middle Kingdom. Okay, in the New Kingdom,
it's got all the great Nissu's up there. But when
it comes down to the it got the invaders up there.
Got Theodosia is up there in Justinia. And keep in

(02:49:47):
mind the Theodosi and Justinia, they're the ones who shut
down the Temple in the fourth and sixth century a d.
They shut down the temples because they were developing Western
version of Christianity and fear that if anyone knew about
this knowledge, okay, that they could not create that belief
in Dolgma, even though at that time this is where
they created the Inquisition period where they burned people at

(02:50:08):
the stake. Who are talking about incion Egypt. But back
to those plates, but so you got the plunders up there,
Kush is not even up there on that plate. So
when we're talking about the Egyptians are not black here,
we're talking about here the mother of Egypt is ancient Kush,
and Kush is not even up there on the facaot.

(02:50:29):
And I point that out to our group every year,
I said, look at these plates up here, Kush is
not even up there. And even during the time of
the twenty fifth dynasty. When we see Kushata, and we
see also Piyanki, and also we see Shabaka and ta Hakka. Okay,
these are the Kushai warriors who came in and saved
Kemmid to bring Maat back because the barbarians were coming

(02:50:53):
in and plundering, like the Assyrians, okay, and like the Persians,
they were coming in and plundering. The kush didn't come
in to plunder because they saw themselves as the mother
of Kimid.

Speaker 6 (02:51:05):
So, but cush is not.

Speaker 12 (02:51:06):
So that tells you the blatant racism to wipe out blackness. Okay.
Right there on the facade of that museum that was
built in nineteen oh one and the new museum that
was built, when you go in there, you have again
you got all I mean, is all kind of I mean,
they got ursthen to my heart, Rosster took around miss
Marielman a thirty five foot statue of him as soon

(02:51:28):
as you walk in. But up at the top floor
here you got the tiny Hesi. That was the ancient
name for Nuvia and you got to marry Okay, that's
the name for lower Egypt. And they got the tiny
Hesians in the back of the Tamerians. When originally in
the old museum that they took it took those two soldiers. Okay,
their soldiers are walking with the nisseum su. The nisseum

(02:51:51):
siu is the left leg forward to trample down evil,
for your heart to go forward. That's interesting within itself.
But when it was in the old museum, they were
side by side. But in the new museum they put
them in the back of the Tamerians. Okay. Now Ta
Marii is in the northern part of Kimmid, Okay, a
lighter complexion, but they're still Comethians, all right. But they

(02:52:12):
put the Kushites behind them, all right, and then make
it look like that they had nothing to do with
the culture and history of Egypt. So here we see
the blatant psychopathic racism of the white supremacist Egyptologists who
still have a control and a vice grip on the
history of ancient Kimmt and these museums. So we see

(02:52:34):
the blatant psychopathic racism in the facade as well as
inside of the museum of the old museum, because when
you go up on the second floor, Metsparo, he's got
a plate up there and that plate is still there
that he put there. And above that plate you see
Maharpra of the eighteenth dynasty, a very well mellenated brother. Okay,

(02:52:55):
and so Maspero had to write this because he said, Okay,
everybody's gonna see he's black. I'm going to put this
plate here and I make sure our group see it
every year. He's nick Roy but not actually a Negro.
And people from all over the world read that he's
Nick Roy but not actually a Negro. And that's what
Matt Sparrow put up there, who was also involved in

(02:53:16):
building that old museum. So you see the blatant racism
right in your face and the facade of that old
museum when you come up to that museum with Cleopatra
the seventh and the center of the facade that she
had nothing to do or at least the photolemies had
nothing to do with Egypt. Okay. They were usurpers of
the throne of ancient Egypt. And everybody wants to make

(02:53:38):
Cleopatra black, but none of them talk about the African queens. Okay,
like atmost the first who was fifteen hundred years before Cleopatra,
always shown her jet black but white folks concentrate on Cleopatra. No,
we would jump on board okay with that. But had
we talked about a Nephertari, the first that car deals with,

(02:54:00):
and her lectures on the queens, then white folks couldn't
say nothing. But they know that because the Liz tell her.
And that's the only part we know about Egypt is Cleopatra.
So when that movie came out, you know, they're all
up in arms about Cleopatra. Okay, shown her as being black,
all right. Now, even though her father, Photolemy's a twelfth

(02:54:21):
that's her father, but it was of a Ptolemic line.
And yes, she definitely had to have a Cometean a
family line because when the army comes in, they don't
bring their wives. So when the Photolemys came there, they
came in as all armies do. They raped the women.
And that's what took place. And that's the making of Cleopatra.

Speaker 2 (02:54:41):
Now hold that thought right there, really question Valley is black.

Speaker 12 (02:54:44):
And now you're gonna say that that she didn't have
no black blood or I'm saying all these kinds of things,
that she was white.

Speaker 2 (02:54:50):
Yeah, a whole other thought right there. We gotta say, Ay,
last break. I'll let you finish your thought and we
got some folks want to talk to you. I got
some tweet questions for you as well. Family, you two
can join our discussion with astro Quasi. Reach out to
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next. And
grant rising family in Franks for staying with us on
this what is it ninety eleven, twenty twenty five, and

(02:55:10):
I guess this is the master teacher himself for the
astro Quasi, And thank you for checking in because a
lot of folks listening and telling me they're enjoying me
and learning a lot from Brother Quasi. Before we go
back to them, though, that must remind you that tomorrow's
Friday and give you another chance to free your mind
and all that means is just the thing for yourself.
Join us for our open phone Friday programming starts at
six am Eastern Time right here in Baltimore on ten

(02:55:31):
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five point nine and AM fourteen fifty w OLM. Please
please don't wait for the last minute. We always have
a bunch of folks who don't get on and all
you got to do is get up a little bit earlier.
So we want to hear from you. Eight hundred and
four five zero seventy eight seventy six. That's the number
to use by the question. I'll let you finish your thought.
The U in DC has a question for you.

Speaker 12 (02:55:52):
We'll go ahead and take new and U. Yeah, that's
the great the Temple of Row name right, that great temple.
It's uh longer there, but that was a great spiritual center.

Speaker 2 (02:56:03):
All right, Grand Rising, ain't new you're wrong with with as.

Speaker 15 (02:56:07):
Grand Rising Hotel Baba quasi massive teacher. And I just
want to say I'm grad I'm grateful for you Baba's
sharing its history.

Speaker 5 (02:56:17):
My question is.

Speaker 15 (02:56:19):
Is there a connection between ancient Kimith and African Muslims?

Speaker 3 (02:56:24):
And if there is, what is it? And the second
question is in this place that they call America, does the.

Speaker 5 (02:56:29):
Nile River flow through?

Speaker 3 (02:56:31):
Here?

Speaker 12 (02:56:33):
Does the Now river flow?

Speaker 4 (02:56:34):
Where in this place called America?

Speaker 12 (02:56:38):
Does the Now river flow through a place called America? Brother,
the Now? Speaking of the now itself, the happy is
it was called in ancient times that now starts from
the Great lakes regions of Africa as well as the tributaries.
All right, that ends up in Lake Nanza that's now
called Lake Victoria. And then from there it flows and

(02:56:58):
you see coming up out the high lands of Ethiopia,
coming from Lake Tana, we see the Bye. The James
Bruce refers, who is the blue now? As that is
the river by flows down from the highlands of Ethiopia
and it flows down into what is known as Othervan
of Sudan and it meets up what they refer to
today as the White Now. So you got the White

(02:57:19):
now is our ancestors called Happy coming out of the
great lakes region of Lake Neanza called Lake Victoria. And
then you've got the Abaye coming out of the highlands
of Ethiopia and it flows into throughout Sudan into the
land of Chemist called Egypt today, and it empties out
into the Mediterranean. Now, if some of that water that
flows into the Mediterranean, okay, flows in the Mediterranean, and

(02:57:40):
then you see that the underwater rivers there are underwater
rivers okay that we see in the ocean. If that
water flows over there over here to America, then that's
how that water gets over there. Coming up out of
now Now is there are now flowing through America? Right
the now River? Does it flow through America?

Speaker 5 (02:57:57):
No?

Speaker 12 (02:57:58):
I mean, that's that's nonsense, okay. And where was the
other part of your question?

Speaker 15 (02:58:03):
How is Kimmitt connected to the African Muslims if there's
a connection.

Speaker 12 (02:58:09):
Well, again, like I said before, all the religions, okay,
took from ancient Kimmt to make up much of their
belief system. When the Arabs came in six forty one
a d Again keep in mind the chimic going back
thousands of years, so it had an influence over the
known world at that time, just like America has a
great influence on the world because it's a world power.

(02:58:31):
So when you see that, many concepts that we see,
like let's look at the hodge, the hodge that the
Muslims do when they go to the kaba okay, the
kaba Okay, it's interesting, it's called khan bab because in
Kimmit kah and Bah that's the spirit and the soul.
But here were they were white. Okay. Keep in mind
that was taken from the headsheat okay high carby head priests.

(02:58:51):
And that's why we okay, and our Kimic new tour.
When we go into the greatest temple on the planet Earth,
going back over four thousand years, we all wear white,
representing that okay, which is the white garmentstead of saw
where we all walk into that temple was a beautiful sight,
all right, when we all walk into the temple together,
the brothers on one side and the sisters on the
other side, representing that spiritual law offices. Now when we

(02:59:14):
look at terms in sore okay, which means chapter in
the Quran, Okay, and we look at Taha, and Taha
was the caller that was taken from the spiritual system
of ancient Kimmida to Houdi, to Hoodi was known as
the caller. Why I was to Hoodi known as the caller. Okay,
that not only to who he was a caller, he
represented spiritual science. He represented your writing down your deeds

(02:59:36):
on earth. Okay. It later becomes John in the Bible, Okay,
for you to go into the hall of my aunt. Okay.
But in the Qur'an we see Taha is called the caller.
But also to Hoodi is the one that gave the
call of the spiritual birth of Haru from his mother
a set. So here we see the terms like that. Oh,

(02:59:56):
so during the evening there's a prayer, there's a prayer
and Islam. Okay, it's in the evening prayer, and it's
called al Asar. A sar is in the prayer, the
name a sar, it's in the prayer, our sar, the
declining sun, the declining sun. So we see concepts in
the Qur'an that literally you can see that these concepts

(03:00:18):
were taken out of ancient chemic. But keep in mind
that the Islam is a compilation of a lot of
Judaism because it starts off it starts with the same
exact story with the Adam and Eve story and so forth.
So when you're looking at the Adam and Eve story,
even though they don't refer to as Eve, they referred
to as the woman, all right, But it's still the

(03:00:40):
plagiarized concepts of the zep Teppe, of the first creation
story of a sar and a set in the spiritual
system of ancient Kimid, who they were created simultaneously. There
was no story of misogyny that a rib was taken
from Asar to make to make a set. There was
no story that a set eight from the Tree of

(03:01:01):
knowledge of good and evil, and that was for the
reason for the world sins and her mistral cycle was
to remind her of that. That's a sick misogynist that
wrote that, Okay, who had a hatred towards the woman,
all right. So an ancient Kimmitty had a great spiritual story.
So many of the stories that we see it has
come down through the religions are corrupt versions of that

(03:01:22):
was taken from ancient Chemt all right. So when we see,
even when I was talking about the whole mystraial cycle,
the reason why they made that story has such a
hatred because in ancient Kimmt there's one shrine at the
temple of a Set that I talk about to our group,
and it's a very powerful shrine because it is here
is the destruction of Man by Ra. And I tell

(03:01:44):
the group how Man felt that he could take over
Ra's throne. Okay, and Ra was the all seeing and
all knowing. And as I tell the group, they're trying
to take raw shine Rob, I'm going through a real
quick raw but I good then death with our with
our group. So Ra calls on head a rue okay,
the spiritual goddess that Marry Rod deals with in her

(03:02:04):
lectures and said, the flood out man through her mistial cycle,
all right, and man started to repent to raw and
Rob told headeroue to not the flood out mankind. So
here we see this is how they come up. Not
only would flood stories, but this is also how we
see the mysterial cycle of the woman okay, to remind
her of the misogynistic story that was created, that evil okay,

(03:02:27):
because she ate from the tree of knowledge of good
and evil. This is how that was that was taken
and they took and put it on her. Now because
in Kimmid it was this it was man who was
doing the evil deed. So until we understand start the studying.
The ancient stories of Kimmid did pre date many of
the Judaism, Christiania Islam stories by thousands of years. As

(03:02:48):
I said that library they had, that library, they were
able to study these stories. They just took their version
of it and corrupted it, and then in many cases
demonized the female male gender and then deified their own gender.
So now God is only referred to as he.

Speaker 2 (03:03:07):
Gotcha. I thank you, ad The ten away from the top.
They have Freedom Bridge is checking in from Pittsburgh online
for Freedom Bridge.

Speaker 13 (03:03:14):
Your question for brother as Freedom Bridge Grand rising as
to take my call. Good to hear your voice. One
of my questions are they still trying to bleach the
block off of the images there? And the other one
is when we talk of religion, does the Vatican have
all that information that was written and stolen from our ancestors?

(03:03:36):
And how much power do they have over today's lie
or you being on white Man.

Speaker 12 (03:03:41):
Well, they have a lot of power over it because
they still have control of it, and there's a lot
in the vatic And keep in mind that the Roman
Empire is just a Roman Catholicism is just an extension
of the Roman empower. That's how it is, Okay, Catholicism Okay,
starting around three eighty something BC, I mean I mean AD,
not BC AD rather okay, again, they so they had

(03:04:04):
this information from the Romans and the Greeks before them,
They already had it from that library, as I said before,
and with Theodosius and Justinian, Okay, with the Byzantine Roman
Empire being established at the time, that's why they shut
the temples down and took a lot. So when you
go into the Vatican, and then you go into the
Vatican Museum, that's why you see a lot of comedic art, okay,
and again the comic the Roman library and the cellar,

(03:04:28):
there's a lot of information there, all right, But are
they going to reveal that to us? You know, I
don't think so. H But again, I mean, look, because
every army that came in, when the Romans came in
and you and took over from the Greeks, Okay, they
took what the Greeks had, Okay. And then when the
Byzantine Romans, they already had a lot of resources from
the Romans himself. So yes, that's that's just a continuation.

(03:04:50):
And yes, the Vatican does have a lot and even
the worshiping of the Black Madonna in the Vatican. So
why are they worshiping Why do they secretly worship a
black madonna? They secretly worshiped black Madonna because they're worshiping
their beginning. That black Madonna is a set okay, who
was their introduction to a madonna and child by way

(03:05:10):
of the Greeks, and that's why the Romans took her
throughout their empire. Okay. To Gaul they became France. Okay.
To Britain, Okay, there was Britannia. To Germany became a Germania,
there was Germania. So when you go to Europe you
see these black madonnas. That was the time when the
Romans worshiped her as Isis as they had ceremonies called

(03:05:30):
the hurtanem worship of the Goddess Isis Okay, and they
got temples in Rome to this day still there Okay,
that was dedicated to her, all right. And London, let's
not forget London too, because even the name of London,
all right, got his name from a set. It was
called Lataunia when the Romans okay, took her there. Okay. Paris,

(03:05:52):
France with the shrine with the Notre Dame Okay, and
the black madonna in that Notre Dame. That was a set.
As I said earlier, our parents gets its name from
per a set, the house of a set. The doctor
chik On Todop even talked about Okay. So again, so
we've got to open our minds up. We got to
stop being afraid of ourselves. We got to stop being

(03:06:13):
afraid of our ancestral knowledge. But they demonized it and
vilified it. And because of all of that, some of
us now went to study ancient African spirituality and ancient
African spiritual system that we become afraid because they taught
us to be afraid of it. Why they secretly not
only study it and worship it, like I said, with
the popes worshiping the Black Madonna.

Speaker 13 (03:06:34):
And one more question, is it time at this point
in this world and in this system for us to
stop letting them educate our children.

Speaker 5 (03:06:45):
I think that's what we talked.

Speaker 12 (03:06:46):
About earlier, my brother, That's what we talked about earlier,
and I talked about my children. They went to Marcus
Garvey School in Los Angeles, doctor Onion Palmer who built
that school and built two high schools. Okay, it's still there,
all right, and put a lot of work. Piece be
upon him as now and sister, and did a lot
of great work. So yes, it's terms of building our school,
building our own school, and supporting those who are doing
the work to build a school, not somebody just out

(03:07:07):
there scamming on the people. Okay, but you know there
are a lot of independent schools out there, all right,
and they're doing the work that's why you don't hear
about them, because they're actually doing the work, all right,
They're not out there on the social media and laying
in the bed like I saw the one dude scamming
everybody for school Land. I mean, you're gonna lay in
the bed and hold the phone up to your face

(03:07:28):
while you're laying in the bed talking about donate, donate, donate, donate.
I mean, how could you?

Speaker 13 (03:07:35):
I mean it?

Speaker 12 (03:07:36):
So after a while you've got to start asking brothers
and sisters, what are you thinking about when somebody does
this and you donate money to a person like this
land in the bed.

Speaker 2 (03:07:46):
Yeah, I'm going to start with that, brother, quaestion, because
we want to find out how do folks reach you
if they want to get on their tours, When is
the next tour? And if you're gonna be speaking anywhere
in the country.

Speaker 12 (03:07:56):
Well, we'll work again like we got back. We work
on it to make sure we can get the best part.
So it'll be at the end of October beginning of November.
We'll have the brochures out. But if you want a brochure,
you can go to kimmittnew at yahoo dot com and
say please send me a brochure. We'll send it to you.
It's kimitt New k E M E t in you
at yahoo dot com or you can go to our
website at Kimmitnew dot com. And also, Brother Carl, I'll

(03:08:19):
be lecturing in Baltimore. You can call on October eleventh
Tabari at four one zero three zero three four one
two zero. That's brother Jabari on October eleventh. I'll be
in Philadelphia October nineteenth, and you can also call brother
brother Haru. You can call Brother Haru and that number

(03:08:43):
is four two five four nine two five zero zero nine.
He had another number, but I don't have that number.
And I'll be other places coming up in December. I'll
be in DC in December, but I'll be on your
show before I do that, so I'll just stop right there.

Speaker 2 (03:08:57):
All right, Well, thank you, brother question, thank you, and
please tell Mary ro thank you for allowing us to
take up some of your time this morning and teaching
us all this stuff about that chemid.

Speaker 12 (03:09:07):
That Brother Carl, we want to thank you for the communiversity.
Peace be upon him, as Bobby Right would call it
a communiversity, because you definitely have the communiversity for education
for liberation for all those who come into teaching us
and all the pieces that we need for our liberation.

Speaker 2 (03:09:21):
Santi brothers, thank you, Sante family. That's it for the day.
Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll
see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore
on ten ten WLB and also on the DMV on
FM ninety five point nine at am fourteen fifty WL

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