Attorney Malik Shabazz, DeLisa Galespie & Dr. Chrissy Thornton on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising, family, and thanks for starting your day
with us again. Later, the founder of the Black Lawyers
for Justice, we'll jump into our classroom, Attorney Malie Shabaz,
who will examine Trump's responds to the attack on the
two members of the National Guard near the White House.
Attorney Shabbas will also report on the Washington, DC mayoral
race and now that an avowed Democratic socialist just entered

(00:23):
the contest. But before Attorney Malik Detroit activists Delisa Gillespie,
who lost her son to street gang violence, will share
how she has turned her pain into what she terms
purpose and power, and momentarily, Doctor Christy Thornton, the CEO
of Baltimore's associated charity Israel, join us Associated Black Charities,
I should say, but first let's get Kevin, the woman
of the classroom doors this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, My man, my man, it's
a little rainy and cloudy on this day in our lives,
the second day of December, and I was just wondering,
how you feeling, man, how you feel.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm doing good? Man, I'm doing I'm going to do it.
I'm still learning.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Sure, Yeah, that's a it's a perfect habit, one of
the one of the effective habits of successful people.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
So now your thanks were revealing your secret to us.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
All no secrets in this business. You know. You know
that I ain't been any radio long enough, and I
know secrets in radio. It's one it's one profession. There
are absolutely no secrets at all. Success secrets for a day.
Success leaves clues. Is that what you say?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Right? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Man, I tell you it's a lot going on in
the city. I was looking at Ward four and we
were talking about that earlier. Democratic Socialists unveils a bid
for d C mayor.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, a young lady.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Named Janice Lewis George announced yesterday that she's launching a
bid to succeed Mayor Muriel Bounser.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Wow, I know she saw what happened in New York
City in Mondaminie, so she probably thinks she can pull
it off here in Washington, d C. It's going to
be interesting because you know, people will remember one of
the things that she did though, with she campaigned after
the George Floyd thinks Kevin she called for defunding the police.
I'm not sure how popular that is today, as he

(02:20):
was back then after George Floyd.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh wow, Well, she's in her second term as a
city council member for the fourth ward. That's the you know,
the northern part of d C out there past Rock
Creek Park and you know, straight up sixteenth Street, and
that's what I call the northern part. And she's seen

(02:46):
as the first major contender to enter the race to
succeed Mayor Bowser. And again they say, according to the
Hill website, the Democratic Socialist has served since twenty twenty one,
and uh, the incumbent Brendan Tylde.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I guess she has.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
That's how she got into being a city council member
of the fourth ward.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
And he was a protege of Muriel Bowser. So that's
kind that's interesting. She probably feels she has some momentum.
She's you know, she's taken taking out one already, so
she'll go after the boss now.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Right right.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
And another Democratic Socialist who won is a lady named
Katie Wilson in Seattle. So is there a move you
think a trend to what that?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I should have been a question for for for
doctor Ray membersh maybe we can ask a Malak that
atturning malice shabous when he comes on. Uh, because some
people think, now that's the face of a democratic party,
and they were seeing a lot of young people feel
themselves as democratic socialists when they hear what a democratic
socialist is for, you know, lower taxes uh uh, housing,

(03:58):
better housing, transportation and all those things to bring the
prices down to make them more affordable. Hey, I like that.
So they a getting caught up in the title because
if you recall that Donald Trump tried to frame mcdomie
is a communist, you know, but that that thing, we're
thin because the people in New York still voted for
him because they understood his message. So maybe if if

(04:20):
what's her name again, Genie Lewis George, Yeah, she gets
that message over to Washingtonians, maybe they'll it will resonate
with them too about lower taxes or or you know,
affordable housing. That's a big prominent in the district. So
maybe she's got some already got some talking points. We
don't need to give her anything.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I'm looking for Maybe they should start writing papers
on what the stance for these parties are. Remember the
Federalists papers that were written a long time ago. Alexander
Hamilton and those guys. I had a book that gave
you what it was about. Perhaps, so that's what they
need to do with this Democrat democratic socialists and explain

(05:02):
what it is, you know, where the goats can get it.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
As somebody used to say, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, of course, And I think that's what when Donnie did,
and as I mentioned, it resonated, especially with the young people.
The youngsters are coming up living in New York City
and can't afford to live in the city, even the suburbs. Man,
it's so expensive. Housing is so expensive. So maybe she
takes that tax. You probably saw what he did, and
I said, oh, I can try this in Washington, DC,

(05:31):
just waiting for Maye Bowsa to step aside. Now she
officially stepped aside, so she got out there early too, right, Well.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
In other news, and Representative Robin Kelly introduced a bill
to combat hospitals turning away black women in labor. And
Mercedes Wells was in Indiana discharged from a hospital while
in labor and kind of had the baby out in

(06:01):
the cars.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right on the side. I saw that man that made
national news. Uh, they turned her away. It was just
you know, the baby's coming and they're telling us, you know,
And the question is, I don't think the family soon
and I don't know if they changed their mind. At
the point is that they just wanted to say they
wanted to draw attention to what happened. What what sisters
go through. Uh when they go to these medical centers,

(06:25):
you know, get turned away, and it might have become
I want to blame everything on Donald Trump, but some
people in the mentality, you know, who think like him,
let me just put it that way. Probably people who
think like him and saw the sister in labor and
didn't think that she knew that, you know, the baby
was coming, and told them to go away. So they left,
and then the baby came on the sidewalk in the car.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well, it couldn't have been the doctor that told her
to walk, We couldn't.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
It must have been could have been the administrators. Yeah,
one of you go check out. Yeah, you know, the
first thing they ask you for. And folks who've been
to the hospital tell the first thing they ask you
for is your insurance card. You know, After that, you
tell them what's wrong, what's your problem, what's your insurance? Really, well,

(07:13):
tell yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Well.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
According to NBC News, the Women Expansion for Learning and
Labor Safety Act, or the Wells Act, would require hospitals
to implement a safe discharge labor plan before discharging a
patient who presents the signs or symptoms of labor. And
this plan would see hospitals providing clinical justification for the discharge.

(07:37):
So documentation beats conversation, and that way they assessed the
distance travel, the time before approving the discharge and receiving
a written understanding from the patient.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
You know, so sign here and then walking off.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So that that's the formulating the new law. Is it
state or cann stay they know how or is it
going to be a federal all they're talking about?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
You know, well, right now this article on News one
is talking about the it's being introduced by Representative Robin Kelly.
She's from Indiana. And let me scroll a little further
where the Franciscan Health President and CEO Raymond Grady told

(08:23):
NBC News that the nurse and doctor who declined to
provide Mercedes Wells proper care no longer work for that hospital.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's they've just been reassigned. It's an hospital just being reassigned. Them.
You know, these hospitals they have networks, So just reassign
them until the publicity. They'll holp, the publicity dies down,
and next week we'll be onto something else.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, the final paragraph in this article says Black people
already have a heightened distrust of medical professionals due to
yes we do, historical mistreatment and racial eyes and health care.
The experiences of Mercedes Wells do little to dispel the
notion that the American healthcare system, and sometimes it may

(09:10):
be sick care, is designed to work against black people.
Hopefully the bill will pass so no more women have
will have to endure what Mercedes Wells went through. So
that kind of implies they wanted to go national. But
let me just jump it for a second here. What
you just said.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
You know, because you said most people distrust them the
healthcare system in this country. Also the judicial system. You
know that as well. It's just us we don't get justice.
So the same thing with the healthcare, and people will say,
you know, well, black people must be paranoid. You know,
it didn't happen to me. It handed those folks even
though they're black, So it's not true because it didn't

(09:49):
happen to me. I don't know the person who would
happen to whether it be the in the Justice department,
the justice system, the legal system, or you know, or
be in the medical area feel that like you just mentioned. So, yeah,
there's a healthy suspicion in both of those eras for
many black people. Just put it that way.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, okay, So I'm telling you that's something to keep
our eye on as well. Now, Costco is suing the
Trump administration for full refund of tariffs, and you know
they they laws who urges the Federal Trade Court to
declare Trump's emergency tarriffs illegal and authority the President says

(10:31):
he has under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, and
two lower courts have already ruled that Trump exceeded his
authority by using emergency powers to impose these terrorfs.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Your thoughts, well, you know, at least they spoke up
because a lot of the companies just ate it, you know,
they instead of just passing it on what he said
that he said the companies would just eat it. Costco
spoke up, and Costco's I think still there's a core
group of companies that are still not the dismalody on
I think Costco's is maybe one of them. I'm not

(11:05):
quite sure, but I think Constcos it may be one
of those. So Costcos may be shore showing some resistance
to to what's coming out of Washington d c.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Uh yeah yeah so uh And Costco was one of
the first hit or many of those retailers like that.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
But are they still on our list of Black Friday or.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
You know what we gotta find out maybe I'm you're
good with me. Latasha Brown, Latasha right, Latasha calls until
it's the impact, but because I think it was just
through a good Friday too?

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Was it through just Black Friday? Or isis.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
It? May be?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
It may end today. I don't have that in front
of me, but at least through the beginning of the month.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
So, and what we're talking about family. Latasha was here
last week and she's her group, Black Voters is a
Black Voters matter. I think it's the sile of her group,
and they're leading a drive to uh to recycle it
basically recycle black dollars. But really once people just stay
home and our shop over the over the holiday, the
Thanksgiving Day holiday, and I'm sure in DC I saw

(12:23):
where people were protesting or and I want to say
blocking in front of it. Was it a Target store?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm sure you saw that Target, Amazon, and Home Depot.
I don't forget those three. I know they were on
top of the list. Hey, and look on the it's
kind of chilly outside and at least the snow didn't
show up that the weather man was talking about, and
the rain did. But the rain, Yeah, that little drizzle
kind of messes with you this morning. But that's the

(12:49):
way it is. On the second of December.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Carl h.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
We've got your guests standing by you. I'll let you
do the honors. Thanks for your time.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Hi, Thanks Kevin, all right, Grand Rising family thirty many
at the top of that. Christy Thornton Grand Rising, welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Hello, thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Oh yeah, I love to have you back because you've
got a conference coming up with Systems, so we want
to talk about that. But first you're with Associated Black
Charities in Baltimore. Can you tell us what the ABC?
What does your company do? What does that? What do
you guys do?

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Absolutely? What forty year old nonprofit organization that is focusing
on economic empowerment for black community members We're looking at
the ways that structural racism has impacted the lives of
black people, black families specifically economically, in housing, education, healthcare access,
and in the criminal justice system. And so for forty

(13:42):
years we've worked unapologetically to break down those barriers and
to empower our community members. And so the event we're
having this Friday, Women on the Move.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Is just more of that, all right, family, Just so
that's the voice of doctor Christy Thornton Is. She's with
ABC Associated Black Charities in Baltimore. They're having a program
for Women on the Move. Now you've crowd she's probably
not a good word, but several outstanding women they are
going to be on this conference. Can you share some
information about each one of them?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
For us?

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Absolutely, so many outstanding women. First of all, for the
fourth year in a row, we have Crystal Berger. She
is an award winning journalist. She's the founder of Ebo
Media Group. She's been an outstanding Ebo Media Group, She's
been an outstanding moderator for us over the past four years.
She'll also be giving the keynote address that evening, and
then on our pan off for Friday, we have Tamla

(14:32):
Olivier who is the very new president and CEO of BGE.
We have Kimberly Prescott, the founder and president of Prescott HR,
and Robin Murphy, the CEO of what used to be
known as Baltimore Office of Promotion and Arts BOPA but
now known as Create Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Got to ask you this doctor thought, did you get
any pushback? Because these are all sisters on this panel
says for the women men invited to this conference as well.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
As you know.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
About a week ago we had an event called Men's
Night Out, and while we always say all are welcome,
we try not to discriminate. We do try to create
safe spaces specifically for our targeted audience. Our target audience
for this event is black women, and we believe not
only do we deserve this safe space, but we need it.
Our men's event about two weeks ago was extremely successful
with over two hundred predominantly black men in the room

(15:22):
with the opportunity to network, to connect, to find alignment
and all those things, and we want to be able
to create that space for women as well. At the
same time, all welcome, and I think people need to
decide what room they want to place themselves in and
why and then we'll, you know, certainly not turn anyone away.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right. Seventeen A halfter the top of that, we
got to step aside for a few moments and we
come back though. I got to ask you about the sisters,
the younger women, the young girls too, if there's a
role for them to play in this conference, do you
have things for them, especially the sisters who you know
who those ones who are about that life. You know
what I'm talking about, the franchise sisters who probably need

(16:01):
more health than any other segment in our society because
they probably have lost their way and need probably somebody
to show them their way, because you all your women
are very successful. So I'll let you respond that when
we get back. Family, you two can join this conversation
with our guest, doctor Thornton. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

(16:22):
thanks for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning.
Twenty minutes after the top of that, with our guest,
we have doctor Christy Thornton. She is the She is
the president CEO of Associated Black Charity is based in Baltimore.
They having a conference for women that's going to take
place this Friday in Baltimore, of course, and my question
to her before we left for the break was is

(16:43):
there something for our young sisters? There is there a program,
is something you guys have carved out for younger members
of the younger women in our society.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Absolutely. So let me just clarify too that this event
is a one night event. It is a professional space,
and it really is meant to be a learning space
for professional women who are navigating this moment where black
women are in unprecedented pressures and leadership and work and family,
et cetera, so that we can learn from one another,
we can connect with one another. But there certainly is

(17:14):
a space for young girls, we call them our emerging
leaders to be in this room. We want them to
know that not only can they lead, they deserve to lead.
And we know that already they're beginning to face the
biases that many of us professional adults already face. So
in middle school and high school, we know that black
girls face stereotypes and academic bias and overdiscipline and microaggression.

(17:36):
That's certain things they grow up to face in professional
settings and so we build a room where they and
the adult women don't have to shrink, they don't have
to code switch, and we know that they can heal
and find empowerment through connection with one another, and so
we certainly do encourage. We usually have emergent leaders as
young as twelve in the room with the professional women

(17:57):
and it's a great networking and connection opportunity for them
as well.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Oh wow, that's great outstanding. Twenty two after the top
the marks online. Too Easy in Baltimore has a question
for you, Doctor Thornton. Grand Rise in Markey on with
doctor Christy Thornton.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Yes, good morning, as very good presentation. I'm a member
of a local neighborhood improvement association here in the northwest
section of Baltimore City, and we have a lot of
young people who might be interested in this type of program.
We always try to get them involved in civics and
try to get them involved in planning for their future.

(18:33):
As they say, we have a lot of eligible women
who I believe might benefit from this program. Now, besides
well one aspect of course, we have sports, but also
I know you have other things. It's more than just
a there's more delight than sports in the future. So
what could we do as an association encourage our ladies
in our community to be more involved in their sister

(18:55):
a particular program you work with neighborhood civic associations and
the like, or how does this work.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
So we have a lot of relationships with many of
the neighborhood associations. So I would say, if you have
an interest in making sure that some of your participants
are at Women on the Move on Friday, that you
reach out to our office. We have some opportunities for
anyone who would like to attend to do so. But
the biggest thing is that when specifically younger women or
women who are in transition or emerging into their leadership cells,

(19:25):
when they are able to engage with other black women
who are in leadership spaces, we found that they're more
likely to pursue higher education, they're more likely to become leaders,
they're more likely to have higher self esteem, and they're
able to start to build these strong professional networks earlier.
We know that in traditional workspaces were often left out
of those professional networks, and so this space is meant

(19:47):
to help people connect so that they can eventually make
more confident career decisions like I'm fay girling out about
being in a room with Tamla Olivier and Kimberly Prescott
and Robin Murphy. Too often idolize people and entertainers and
sports figures that you know, really don't represent necessarily what
we have opportunities to become. And so this is an

(20:10):
opportunity for young women and women who are in transitional
women who are wanting to grow in their leadership, to
be in a room to build their career confidence, to
learn about money management, to think about purpose, to navigate
mental health issues, and to really own their brilliance. So
of course we want young girls to be in this room,
we want emerging leaders to be in this room, and
we want regular black female professionals to be in this

(20:33):
room because we're all navigating very specific challenges specifically in
the world of work.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
We'll do well.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
Los is really good. Thank you very much, keep it
to good work, and I wish you o Hilon, Thank
you so much, love buddy, thank you.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Thanks Mark twenty five of the Top of our Family
with doctor Christy Thornton being Women on the Move Confidence
taking place this weekend Friday. To be exact, she'll give
you all the information you need, but doctor Thorny got
I ask you this question. You know, how much of
this confidence came together or is going to help some
of the women who lost their jobs, because recently we
saw that the shutdowns, especially the federal government shutdowns, that

(21:07):
Black women were disportunately impacted by losing their jobs. How
much of this confidence is going to address that issue?

Speaker 5 (21:16):
I mean absolutely so. You know, analysts are estimating that
between May and August of twenty twenty five that over
three hundred thousand Black women either exited or were displaced
completely from the labor force. And this was due, of
course the shutdowns and layoff centrician but really also due
to structural exclusion, which is something that we face. But

(21:36):
the main issues that not only have we lost jobs,
that are we actively losing jobs. Many Black women are
staying unemployed longer and a larger number are dropping out
of the workforce altogether. And many Black women are in
the financial support system for their household. So this is
creating long term financial instability in the black community. This
is an issue that we have to face, and we

(21:57):
have to face it together. On top of pre existing
issues of gender and racial wage gaps where women earn
lesson men and black women earn even less than them,
and that these systemic wage gaps have been you know,
a legacy of black women earning substantially less comparable to
white men. So all these things are going on in

(22:18):
this movement, and so it's important for us to come
together so that we can start to build networks where
those of us who have decision making positions can start
to look back and mentorship and sponsorship for other people.
Where we're having open conversations about what it means to
break ceilings and to redefine what leadership looks like in
Maryland specifically, and we're able to hear not just honor

(22:39):
these black women, but hear from them about their journeys,
how they've attained success, how they're continuing to navigating shifting
culture and systems and expectations and all the things. And
so this particular event, Women on the Move, is built
to address all of those things at once.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
All right, twenty eight after top down Family, just waking up,
I guess you start to Christy Thornton's US with Associated
Black Charities in Baltimore. They're having a conference for Women
on the Move that's a Titler conference and just a
moment ago, we talked about the women Black women that
were impacted in the layoffs as you know, as we
mentioned that disproportionately laid up. So women who have lost
their job, is it going to be a networking abilities

(23:16):
for them who are probably looking at to you know,
maybe a career move or just just trying to find
it just just a job. As you mentioned, many of
our sisters are the sole supporters. Are you know, the
chief financial person in the house these days? So will
you be able to help some of those sisters who've
lost their jobs?

Speaker 5 (23:36):
I believe.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
So.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
We start the event off with a traditional networking session,
but we also have what we call one to one mentorship,
a speed dating of sorts that people can participate in
so that you can go ahead and meet people in
the room right now and find commonality, find common interests,
and stay in touch. Like this whole thing is about
us starting to burn our networks. Have an opportunity in

(23:57):
a convening to meet professional women we may not have
ever come in contact with, and then to stay in
touch so that we can pull one another up and
lift as we climb, because that's what it's all about
specifically for black women.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I know it's done a job, you know, a job conference,
an employment conference, but should they bring resumes so with
them to this conference?

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Listen, I would bring if with access to this room,
I would bring whatever I had. I would bring resumes,
I would bring business cards. I would bring you know
if there are one cheaters, bios, those kind of things,
because sometimes you only have one opportunity to be in
a space that is meant to lead to your elevation,
and so I would encourage that. I don't see anything
wrong with women coming prepared to share what they need

(24:38):
to about themselves and to make strong asks in a
room that's built for them to do so.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
All right, family, thirty minutes on the top, I guess
it's doctor Chrissy Thornton having a conference of women on
the move. It's going to take places on the Friday
in Baltimore. A tweeter sent me a tweet and says
black women are under a tap because I said, I
guess it's from a black women's They say black women
are under a tap as we are the most educated
group in this country. Do you agree with that assssion?

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (25:04):
I did not only agree with it. We know that
to be true. We are the demographic of people in
the United States that have pursued most higher education. We're
often not compensated for having that higher education in those
advanced degrees. We have prepared ourselves, like black women bought
in to the fact that we had to be twice
as good and twice as educated and all of the things.

(25:25):
And then we walk into the workforce and sometimes I
think face insurmountable obstacles by being under resource and pit
against one another in the workplace and all these things.
And so women on the Move is an event that
allows us to start to break down those obstacles and
barriers that present themselves toward our success. And sometimes the
answer for black women is to do our own thing right, Like,

(25:45):
let's not also look at the fact that entrepreneurship, which
should be growing in our community at this specific moment,
is a pathway too. But even in our entrepreneurship, we
want to make sure we have mentorship, that we're aligned
with great strategic partners, and all of the things, so
that through our own self determination, we can begin to
break down some of the obstacles that are placed on

(26:06):
our pathway.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, I got to ask you this question politically, because
you know last year the sisters came out in force
for Vice Press and Kamala Harris and Vine nine had
worked over time and in the end they sort of
got disappointed and the political signs are trying to figure
out where are these black women now? And now we
founding many of them lost their jobs. I don't know
if there's any impact if that, if the political field

(26:29):
people saw that they came out and sort of punishing them,
I don't want to go there. I'll leave that out
to people, the political scientists to work that out. But
what has happened to that group was so invigorated to
supporting Kamala Harris and as mentioned, many of them may
have lost their jobs. Don't know if that was the
reason why that. Other people answer that, but where do
you think all those sisters going with that energy, that

(26:51):
positive energy was there trying to get her elected and
sort of dissipated.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Right now, listen, all of the progress oriented movements in
this country have been built on the backs of black women.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Some people may not like that unpopular opinion. Black women
have always carried both formal and informal political power beyond
just who gets elected, and we have as voters always
prioritize issues that have directly affected our communities, healthcare access,
economic justice, criminal justice, reform, social equity. Unfortunately, many of
our counterparts, in white women and in black men, did

(27:27):
not show up the way we did the election, and
so now we all face the consequences of their inaction.
We've always, as black women, been active in social justice.
We've participated in protests and organizing and grassroots civic efforts.
And so while we are, you know, now all facing
the consequences of how the election went, we've continued to

(27:50):
heavily influence I think political culture, and continued to mobilize,
continued our civic participation in community leadership. At the same time,
we're working to survive. We're working to survive the high
unemployment rates. We're working to survive the systems and structural
efficiencies that have always negatively impacted us as black ones.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Hope we're called it and drop it sounded like it dropped, Kevin,
if you if you drop, can you get it back?
For Ust twenty eight minutes away from the top of
our family, just checking in for she heard that is
doctor Christy Thornton, that having a conference called Women on
the Move and it's going to take place this Friday
at five point thirty. Starts at five thirty the Regilar
of Lewis regul Lewis Museum. And the question I wanted

(28:35):
to ask her too, because women have, you know, different
responsibilities than men. And what I'm going here is childcare.
They have to balance, you know, aring children and still
you know, got to bring home the bacon is so
to speak. Man just got to go to job that
usually just the childcare issue is just placed on the
on the feet of the women. I know some guys

(28:55):
who are who when they're hiring it were telling me
when I was in the position to hire people, I said, man,
you got to watch when you hire women because they
have you know, if they got uh, they have a babysit,
they have children, then they have to take off.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
So that's what helps my God, Carl Nelson, I done
came back and you talk about women needing babysitters and childcare.
I missed what you said earlier.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
But that's.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm just telling you because you know what the posie
to hire people. And I was talking to a friend
of mine who's you know, goes through the hiring process,
you know, and he said, well, you got to be careful,
you know, because you know, with with the women and
we're both black and black, with their sisters, you got
to find out that if they have children and if
they got childcare, because you know, he was just concerned
they show up for work.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
And and Alex just doesn't that speak to the doesn't
that speak to the structural challenges of the family and
America that both a man and a woman have children
and you have to worry about women having child care
and being able to balance all those things in the workforce.
And that's the privilege that men have. See, that's why
y'all are disconnected me on this morning. That is the
privilege that men have to walk into spaces and build

(29:56):
their careers unencumbered by family, unencumbered by being thought of
as less qualified, unencumbered by the stereotypes and assumptions that
are made by them. And I mean, black women carry
so much on their shoulders just to exist, just to
lead their families, and just to become successful in the workplace.
So this is why we need a safe space. We

(30:17):
need a safe space like Women on the Move, to
come together to navigate our challenges together and to just
align and love and compassion for one another, because the
system will create narratives about us as women, first as
Black women, specifically that we can't succeed the way a
man can. And we know that where black women lead
in organizations, the revenue is higher, the outcomes are more intense,

(30:39):
and the impact is better. And so you know, I
don't know what you can talk about, but I would say,
I'm glad you do this talent.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Thought that we have.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, I'm glad you addressed that because you know, as
a man, sometimes we don't see that. You know, even
when you're in hiring positions. I know that that goes
to the mind if folks when they got to hire women,
will they CHILLINGE you have? Did you have a babyshitter?

Speaker 5 (31:02):
You know you're going to call in those illegal, highrid questions.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I know, but that goes to that goes they find
a way to ask those questions.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
I go.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I tell you, they find a way to ask those
questions without being as broad as as I am. Right now, Yeah,
we're gonna try to share with the audience what what
women have to go through in the hiring process. You know,
all these things that these men don't are these hurdles
we don't have to we don't have to go over.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
And can you imagine being someone who becomes the president
and CEO over BGE or the CEO of Create Baltimore,
or your own founder and president of your own HR
firm and having navigated what it meant to provide childcare,
to navigate through pregnancy through NA, to navigate through perimenopause
and menopause, and these other things that men never have

(31:51):
to face and still sometimes show up in their success
in mediocrity as compared to Black women who tend to
outwork out and out succeed their counterparts in every direction.
So you know, as I hear you talk about it,
it's very angering to me. But it is you know,
obstacles and barriers that we have to first acknowledge and

(32:12):
then look at ways to structurally navigate as well.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, I'm glad they did because I want That's why
I wanted you to respond to that, because that happens,
and it still happens today. They just are very skillfully,
you know, go around doing it. But those are the
questions they get to when it comes to the hiring process.
And I know a lot of the sisters at your conference.
You know, they're going to be talking about networking and
jobs and you know, and these are some of the
things that men don't we don't have to know. They

(32:38):
don't ask many these questions. They don't ask you if
you have a babysitter, you know, they don't go through that.
You know, yeah, are you pray they don't get those
those and they ask you. They don't ask you directly
these days. Like I said, they know very skillfully how
to ask these questions, so they can't be pegged as
being discriminatory. Discriminatory. But hold up right there, because I
got a tweet question for you about politics and women voting.

(32:59):
I'll address that question and we come back. Family, is
twenty three minutes away from the top day. We got
to check the news and sports and the weather in
our different cities. You want to join this conversation with
doctor Christy Thornton, reach out to us at eight hundred
four to five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take
your phone calls after the news it's next and ground Rising. Family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning.
Twenty minutes after the top of that. With our guest,

(33:20):
we have doctor Christy Thornton. She is she is the
president CEO of Associated Black Charity is based in Baltimore.
They having a conference for women that's going to take
place this Friday in Baltimore, of course, and my question
to her before we left for the break was is
there something for our young sisters? There is there a program,

(33:40):
is something you guys have carved out for younger members
of younger women in our society.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Absolutely, So let me just clarify too that this event
is a one night event. It is a professional space,
and it really is meant to be a learning space
for professional women who are navigating this moment where black
women are in unpressed and pressures and leadership and work
and family, et cetera, so that we can learn from
one another, we can connect with one another. But there

(34:06):
certainly is a space for young girls, we call them
our emerging leaders to be in this room. We want
them to know that not only can they lead, they
deserve to lead.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
And we know that.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Already they're beginning to face the biases that many of
us professional adults already face. So in middle school, in
high school, we know that black girls face stereotypes and
academic bias and overdiscipline and microaggression. That's certain things they
grow up to face in professional settings, and so we
build a room where they and the adult women don't
have to shrink, they don't have to code switch, and

(34:39):
we know that they can heal and find empowerment through
connection with one another, and so we certainly do encourage.
We usually have emergent leaders as young as twelve in
the room with the professional women and it's a great
networking and connection opportunity for them as well.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh wow, that's great. Outstanding. Twenty two after top they
march online. Too Easy in Baltimore has a question for you,
Doctor Thornton. Grant rise in marking on with doctor Christy Thornton.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
Yes, good morning, as very good presentation. I'm a member
of a local neighborhood improvement association here in the Northwest
section of Baltimore City, and we have a lot of
young people who might be interested in this type of program.
We always try to get them involved in civics and
try to get them involved in planning.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
For their future.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
As they say, we have a lot of eligible women
who I believe might benefit from this program. Now besides
well one aspect of course we have sports, but also
I know you have other things. It's more than just
a there's more delight than sports in the future. So
what could we do as an association and encourage our
ladies in our community to be more involved in their

(35:48):
sister a particular program? You work with neighborhood civic associations
and the like, or how does this work?

Speaker 5 (35:54):
So we have a lot of relationships with many of
the neighborhood associations. So I would say, if you have
an interest in making sure that some of your participants
are at Women on the Move on Friday, that you
reach out to our office. We have some opportunities for
anyone who would like to attend to do so. But
the biggest thing is that when specifically younger women or
women who are in transition or emerging into their leadership cells,

(36:19):
when they are able to engage with other black women
who are in leadership spaces, we found that they're more
likely to pursue higher education, they're more likely to become leaders,
they're more likely to have higher self esteem, and they're
able to start to build these strong professional networks earlier.
We know that in traditional workspaces were often left out
of those professional networks, and so this space is meant

(36:41):
to help people connect so that they can eventually make
more confident career decisions. Like I'm saying, girling out about
being in a room with Tamla Olivier and Kimberly Prescott
and Robin Murphy. Too often we idolize people and entertainers
and sports figures that you really don't represent necessarily what
we have opportunities to become. And so this is an

(37:03):
opportunity for young women and women who are in transitional
women who are wanting to grow in their leadership, to
be in a room to build their career confidence, to
learn about money management, to think about purpose, to navigate
mental health issues, and to really own their brilliance. So
of course we want young girls to be in this room,
we want emerging leaders to be in this room, and
we want regular black female professionals to be in this

(37:27):
room because we're all navigating very specific challenges specifically in
the world of work.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
We'll do well.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Los is really good. Thank you very much, keep it
to good work and it wish your chalon. Thank you
so much, by Buddy, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Thanks Mark twenty five of the top of our family
with doctor Christy Thornton and the Women on the Move
conference taking place this weekend Friday, to be exact, He'll
give you all the informations you need. But doctor Thorny
Gott asked you this question, you know, how much of
this confidence came together or is going to help some
of the women who lost their jobs, because recently we
saw the shutdowns, especially the federal government shutdowns, that black

(38:01):
women were disfortunately impacted by losing their jobs. How much
of this confidence is going to address that issue?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
I mean absolutely so. You know, analysts are estimating that
between May and August of twenty twenty five that over
three hundred thousand Black women either exited or were displaced
completely from the labor force. And this was due, of
course the shutdowns and layoff centrician but really also due
to structural exclusion, which is something that we face. But

(38:30):
the main issues that not only have we lost jobs
and are we actively losing jobs, many Black women are
staying unemployed longer and a larger number are dropping out
of the workforce altogether. And many black women are in
the financial support system for their household. So this is
creating long term financial instability in the black community. This
is an issue that we have to face, and we

(38:51):
have to face it together. On top of the pre
existing issues of gender and racial wage gaps, where women
earn lesson men and black women earn even less than them,
and that these systemic wage gaps have been, you know,
a legacy of black women earning substantially less comparable to
white men. So all these things are going on in

(39:12):
this movement, and so it's important for us to come
together so that we can start to build networks where
those of us who have decision making positions can start
to look back and mentorship and sponsorship for other people.
Where we're having open conversations about what it means to
break ceilings and to redefine what leadership looks like in
Maryland specifically, and we're able to hear not just honor

(39:33):
these black women, but hear from them about their journeys,
how they've attained success, how they're continuing to navigating shifting
culture and systems and expectations and all the things. And
so this particular event, Women on the Move is built
to address all of those things at once.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
All right, twenty eight after Top Down Family, just waking
up I guess you start the Christy Thornton. She's with
the Associated Black Charities in Baltimore. They're having a conference
for Women on the Move. That's a TILER conference and
just a moment of we talked about the women Black
women who were impacted in the layoffs as you know,
as we mentioned that disproportionately laid up. So women who
have lost their job, is it going to be a
networking abilities for them who are probably looking at to

(40:12):
you know, maybe a career move or just trying to
find it just just a job. As you mentioned, many
of our sisters are the sole supporters, are you know,
the chief financial person in the house these days? So
will you be able to help some of those sisters
who've lost their jobs?

Speaker 5 (40:30):
I believe.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
So.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
We start the event off with a traditional networking session,
but we also have what we call one to one mentorship,
a speed dating of sorts that people can participate in
so that you can go ahead and meet people in
the room right now and find commonality, find common interests
and stay in touch. Like this whole thing is about
us starting to burn our networks. Have an opportunity in

(40:51):
a convening to meet professional women. We may not have
ever come in contact with and then to stay in
touch so that we can pull one another up as
we climb, because that's what it's all about, specifically for
black women.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I know it's done a job, you know, a job conference,
an employment conference, But should they bring resumes so with
them to this conference?

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Listen, I would bring if with access to this room,
I would bring whatever I had. I would bring resumes,
I would bring business cards. I would bring you know,
if there are one cheaters, bios, those kind of things,
because sometimes you only have one opportunity to be in
a space that is meant to lead to your elevation,
and so I would encourage that. I don't see anything
wrong with women coming prepared to share what they need

(41:32):
to about themselves and to make strong asks in a
room that's built for them to do so.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
All right, family, thirty minutes at the top, I guess
it's doctor Christy Thornton having a conference of women on
the move. It's going to take places on the Friday
in Baltimore. A tweeter sent me a tweet and says
black women are under a tap because they said, I
guess it's from a black women's They say, black women
are under a tap because we are the most educated
group in this country. Do you agree with that assertion?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (41:58):
I did not only agree with it, we know that
to be true. We are the demographic of people in
the United States that have pursued most higher education, and
we're often not compensated for having that higher education in
those advanced degrees. We have prepared ourselves, like black women
bought in to the fact that we had to be
twice as good and twice as educated and all of
the things. And then we walk into the workforce and

(42:21):
sometimes I think face insurmountable obstacles by being under resource
and pit against one another in the workplace and all
these things. And so women on the Move is an
event that allows us to start to break down those
obstacles and barriers that present themselves toward our success. And
sometimes the answer for black women is to do our
own thing right, Like, let's not also look at the

(42:42):
fact that entrepreneurship, which should be growing in our community
at this specific moment, is a pathway too. But even
in our entrepreneurship, we want to make sure we have mentorship,
that we're aligned with great strategic partners, and all of
the things so that through our own self determination, we
can begin to break down some of the obstacles that
are placed on our pathway.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, I got to ask you this question politically, because
you know, last year the sisters came out in force
for Vice Press and Kamala Harris and Vine nine had
worked over time and in the end they sort of
got disappointed, and the political sign is trying to figure
out where are these black women now and now founding
many of them lost their jobs. I don't know if
there's any impact if that, if the political field people

(43:23):
saw that they came out and sort of punishing them,
I don't want to go there. I'll leave that out
to people, the political scientists to work that out. But
what has happened to that group was so invigorated to
supporting Kamala Harris and as mentioned, many of them may
have lost their jobs. Don't know if that was the
reason why that Other people answer that, But where do
you think all those sisters going with that energy, that

(43:45):
positive energy was there trying to get her elected and
sort of dissipated.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Right now, listen, all of the progress oriented movements in
this country have been built on the backs of black women.
Right Some people may not like that popular opinion. Black
women have always carried both formal and informal political power
beyond just who gets elected, and we have as voters
always prioritize issues that have directly affected our communities, healthcare access,

(44:14):
economic justice, criminal justice, reform, social equity. Unfortunately, many of
our counterparts, in white women and in black men, did
not show up the way we did the election, and
so now we all face the consequences of their inaction.
We've always, as black women, been active in social justice.
We've participated in protests and organizing and grassroots civic efforts.

(44:35):
And so while we are, you know, now all facing
the consequences of how the election went, we've continued to
heavily influence I think, political culture and continued to mobilize,
continued our civic participation in community leadership. At the same time,
we're working to survive. We're working to survive the high

(44:57):
unemployment rates. We're working to survive the systems structural deficiencies
that have always negatively impacted us as a black one.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Hope we're called it and drop. It sounded like it dropped. Kevin.
If you if you drop, can you get it back first?
Twenty eight minutes away from the top of our family,
just checking in for she heard that is doctor Christy
Thornton and having a conference called Women on the Move
and it's going to take place this Friday at five
point thirty. Starts at five thirty the regular of Lewis
regular Lewis Museum. And the question I wanted to ask

(45:29):
her too, because women have, you know, different responsibilities than men.
And what I'm going here is childcare. They have to balance,
you know, wearing children and still you know, got to
bring home the bacon is so to speak. Men just
got to go to the job that usually just the
childcare issue is just placed on the on the feet
of the women. I know some guys who are who

(45:49):
when they're hiring, were telling me when I was in
the position to hire people, I said, man, you got
to watch when you're hire women because they have you know,
they got they have a babysit, they have children. Then
they have to take off.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
So that's what helps my God, Carl Nelson, I don'et
came back and you talking about women needing babysitters and childcare.
I missed what you said earlier, but that's.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I'm just telling you, because you know what the position
to hire people. And I was talking to a friend
of mine who you know, goes through the hiring process,
you know, and he said, well, you got to be careful,
you know, because you know, with with the women and
we're both black and black, with their sisters, you got
to find out that if they have children and if
they got childcare, because you know, he was just concerned
they show up for work.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
And and Alex just doesn't that speak to the doesn't
that speak to the structural challenges of the family and
America that both a man and a woman have children
and you have to worry about women having child care
and being able to balance all those things in the workforce.
And that's the privilege that men have. See, that's why
y'all have disconnected me on this morning. That is the
privilege that men have to walk into spaces and build

(46:50):
their careers unencumbered by family, unencumbered by being thought of
as less qualified, unencumbered by the stereotypes and assumptions that
are made by them. And I mean, black women carry
so much on their shoulders just to exist, just to
lead their families, and just to become successful in the workplace.
So This is why we need a safe space. We

(47:11):
need a safe space like women on the move, to
come together, to navigate our challenges together and to just
align and love and compassion for one another, because the
system will create narratives about us as women, first, as
black women, specifically, that we can't succeed the way a
man can. And we know that where black women lead
in organizations, the revenue is higher, the outcomes are more intense,

(47:33):
and the impact is better. And so, you know, I
don't know what you can talk about, but I would
say I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
That we have.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, I'm glad you addressed that because you know, as
a man, sometimes man, we don't see that. You know,
even when you're in hiring positions, I know that that
goes to the mind if folks they when they got
to hire women, well, how many chileng do you have?
Do you have a babysit?

Speaker 5 (47:56):
You know, legal higher questions I know, but that goes.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
That goes they find a way to ask those questions.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
I go.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I tell you, they find a way to ask those
questions without being as broad as I am. Right now, Yeah,
we're going to try to share with the audience what
what women have to go through in the hiring process.
You know, all these things that which men don't are,
these hurdles we don't have to we don't have to
go over.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
And can you imagine being someone who becomes the president
and CEO of BGE or the CEO of Create Baltimore,
or your own founder and president of your own HR
firm and having navigated what it meant to provide childcare,
to navigate through pregnancy through NAVI, to navigate through perimenopause
and menopause, and these other things that men never have

(48:45):
to face and still sometimes show up in their success
in mediocrity as compared to Black women who tend to outwork,
outpace and outsucceed their counterparts in every direction. So you know,
as I you talk about it, it's very angering to me,
but it is you know, obstacles and barriers that we
have to first acknowledge and then look at ways to

(49:07):
structurally navigate as well.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, I'm glad they did because I want That's why
I wanted you to respond to that, because that happens,
and it still happens today. They just are very skillfully,
you know, go around doing it. But those are the
questions they get to when it comes to the hiring process.
And I know a lot of the sisters. That's your conference.
You know, they're going to be talking about networking and
jobs and you know, and these are some of the
things that men don't we don't have to know. They

(49:32):
don't ask many these questions. They don't ask you if
you have a babysitter, you know, they don't go through that.
You know, yeah, are you pray they don't get those
those and they ask you. They don't ask you directly
these days. Like I said, they know very skillfully how
to ask these questions, so they can't be pegged as
being discriminatory. Discriminatory. But hold up right there, I've got
a tweet question for you about politics and women voting.

(49:53):
I'll address that question when we come back. Family is
twenty three minutes away from the top day. I got
to check the news and sports and the weather in
our different cities. You want to join this conversation with
doctor Christy Thornton, reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your
phone calls after news that's next and Grand Rising Family,
thanks for starting you on Tuesday with us I guess
it is doctor Christy Thornton. Doctor Thornton is the president

(50:14):
and CEO of ABC Associated Black Charities in Baltimore, and
they having an event for the women coming up on Friday.
Before we get more into the event, doctor Thornton, doctor
Hockey in Baltimore has a question for you. It's online too,
Grand Rising, doctor Hockey, a question for doctor Thornton.

Speaker 8 (50:30):
Yes, Grand Rasin, but the call and Grand rasin to
doctor Christy Thoughton, it's always great to hear you. You
always dropt us some jewels. She's full of knowledge and
by the call, they Associated Black Charity just doing tremendous
work in the Baltimore metropolitan area and throughout Maryland. I

(50:51):
may say because the the legacy of ABC certainly has
reached beyond Baltimore, and uh, you know, it's very substantive work.
And I wanted to just plug you know, just sister
Crystal Verger. She's actually grew up in the Emerson Village area,

(51:13):
so shout out to e V where I partially was raised.
So we certainly, you know, yeah, we certainly are proud
of her work. And she's done tremendous job throughout the
years and and butt the call. We're gonna do a
early happy birthday to Christie. She's that's okay, Christie, We

(51:34):
all with her, Okay, all right, She turning fifty soon,
so because she's joined us, well me in the fifty
area fifty one, so so we're just excited.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Becau.

Speaker 8 (51:49):
I was part of the board Pipeline Training Associated Black
Chariteys have and I was one of the speakers at
the male event, and so you know, it's just good
that if they find a balance in having sisters to
come together and really just you know, soak in the
knowledge and the positive energy of sisters who have different

(52:14):
types of experiences in life. And so you know, I
can imagine, you know, just the power and of that
room and the wisdom that's going to be shared.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
So I would just.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
Encourage all of the sisters and brothers, encourage some sisters
to actually come and be a part. We have to
at the Regil Refluence Museum. It's not a better place
for sisters to show up and step out of their
comfort zone if you don't show up at some different
types of events. We have to keep expanding our networks

(52:48):
to ensure that. As I said when I spoke, I said,
we have to have one arm reaching up and one
arm reaching down to you know, pull up, pull up
our brothers and sisters as well as give people the
opportunity to pull us up. So that's what I'll say,
and looking forward, keep up to good work.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Thank you lot, all right, Thank you doctor so much,
and again happy birthdays at doctor Thornton. Thank you Hockey
for mentioning that. But doctor Thornton, you've done this a
few times with Hockey. You mentioned what's different about this year,
So I mean, I just think the.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Climate is different this year, right, Like I think there's
more motivation and intention for us to connect. Women on
the Move was the first official event I attended as
president and CEO of the organization, and I remember walking
into the room and feeling the energy and feeling the
pride to see that many professional women of all ages
in a room together, looking to learn, together, looking to

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expand not just our knowledge but our relationships. So I
think having a space that is built for us, by us,
and has this kind of attension that allows you to
walk in one way and walk out as a stronger, clearer,
and more connected black woman is so important and so amazing,
and specifically in the way the world was showing up

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for us. Now it's important for us to do this
and come together for the event.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
All right, And I got a tweet I want to
know if this is going to be online.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
It is not online. It is intentionally an in person
event for connectivity in the Baltimore region.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, because that's important. I like that, you know, you know,
meeting and face to face and you can, you know,
you could you get to know people more when you
get this face to face you can see their expressions
and deal with on a personal level. At this meeting
that's going to take place again for the lake Comers
though at Doctor Christy Thornton give us again that the
name of the folks who are going to some of
these dynamic system I mean looking at some of the

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resumes of some of the mood that you have put
this panel together and share with the the lake Comers.
Whore just getting up at end of seven o'clock out,
who's going to be there?

Speaker 5 (54:52):
Yes, So Women on the Move This Friday, December fifth,
from five point thirty to nine pm at the REGINALD F.
Lewis Museum are moderator and keynote seak. It is Crystal Berger,
Award winning journalists and the founder of EBO Media Group.
We are so fortunate to have three outstanding panelists, Tamla Olivier,
who is the president and CEO Black Woman, President and

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CEO of Baltimore Gas and Electric, Kimberly Prescott, the founder
and president of Prescott HR, and Robin Murphy, CEO of
what used to be BOTHA Baltimore Office of Promotion in
ours newly rebranded as Create Baltimore. So we're so excited
to have all.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Four of those ladies with us.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
All Right, an a tree question, it's political again, doctor
Thornton and says, are you going to be mobilizing young
women to vote in the upcoming midterms. It's crucial that
we show up in large numbers, and so we.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Are always mobilizing all women, all black community members to vote.
We know that again I said before that we have
the power to swing elections, not necessarily carry them, but
to swing them. But we do know that all of
the issues on the agenda will disproportionately affect Black women.
We're always encouraging the civic duty of participation in voting

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and how young of the.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Black women are invited that can take you know, take
take part in this. How young can they be? How
long do you think they can really understand what's going
on as young.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
As young as twelve years old, and typically that is
a grandmother, a auntie, a mom bringing their younger child
with them. We've also partnered with some local civic organizations
like the Women Civically, we've partnered with the National Coalition
of one hundred Black Women, the Baltimore Metropolitan Chapter, so
that they can tap into their constituents and bring young women,

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middle aged women, older, more seasoned women. And so the
room is very diverse, and it's such an opportunity for women,
I would say twelve and older to really glean from
what's shared in the room.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
All right, and you're saying that the women who show
up shoes to make sure they have their business cause
if they or their resumes or you know, and stuff
like that, everything they should happen.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Absolutely. If you're seeking connectivity for professional advancement, I would
certainly bring my resume. It's not a job fair. I
would certainly bring my business card. But there is an
opportunity for networking and one to one mentoring that happens
in the room before we start the panel discussion.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, I got to ask you this though. Excuse the dress,
you know, because there's sometimes you know, the corporate dress
is dress for a corporate structure, for a more relaxed
the business, it's the business attires is a little less relaxed.
Are you going to coach or share information with that
with these women who attending this event?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
So now we tend not to do that. And actually,
because this is a safe space that's built by us,
people come and say are listen, we know one thing,
we know how to overachieve, and we know how to
be cute. And so it tends to be a space
where people are comfortable where they come as they are.
We are expressing not just their individuality and their creativity,
but their cultural representation as well, and we welcome that.

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And so this is not a you know, typical job
coaching session. And I would think that knowing some of
the women that on the panel, they'll be able and
willing to discuss how they show up at work, which
is different when you're a CEO who's a black woman,
right and probably willing to discuss some of the non
traditional ways that they not only show up but advocate

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for the culture and the organization to be more inclusive.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I got to ask you this question, since we're talking
about dress here are you guys, is that an issue?

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Well, you know, it's an issue. That's why we needed
the Crown Act, which was sponsored by a very own Delegate,
Stephanie Smith here in the Maryland Legislature. We needed the
Crown Act to help us have safety and protection to
show up with our hair the ways that it naturally
grows out of our scalp, and in the ways that
we choose to represent culture and individuality and all of

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the things. And so I would say, as you mentioned
earlier where you were talking about some of the hidden
discrimination that takes place in hiring, that all of those
things become factor right, Like there's a compelling to conform,
there's a compelling to coach swims, there's a compelling to
conform to society's white standard of beauty and acceptance. And
those are the things that show up as obstacles for

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black women who are tend to be the smartest in
the room, the most educated, and the most accomplished to
attain just basic consideration for workplace advancement. And so those
are the barriers that we fight and show up for.
But when you have someone like a Tamla Olivier and
a Kimberly Prescott and a Robin Murphy and a Crystal
Berger who show up the way they show up as

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strong Black women, unapologetically and are willing to coach and
share their pathways with other people, then you'll have more
people who are ready to show up as their natural
and individual selves in the workplace as well. And that's
how we begin to break down the barriers. We get
the power and then we begin to work to break
down those obstacles together.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Oh wow, love that, doctor Christy Thorn. Before we'll let
you go again, give us all the details, what time, where,
email address or phone numbers for more information.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Yeah, so absolutely. Women on the Move is hosted by
Associated Black Charities. That's held this Friday, December fifth, at
the Reginald F. Lewis Museum from five thirty to nine pm.
Like we're going to have a girl's night out. Spend
that time together, learning, connecting and loving on one another.
And if you're interested, you can go to Associated Black
Charities website www dot Associated at Black Charities dot org

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look for Women on the Move for information on how
to connect to that event.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Well, thank you and once again, happy birthday when it comes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Thank you so much. Thanks appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
All righty, thank you doctor Thornton. That's doctor Christy Thornton
from Associated Black Charities in Baltimore and having their events
this Friday starts at four to thirty. Women on the move.
You ladies out there want to network with some more
progressive sisters, that's the place you need to beat. It's
Friday at Reginald Lewis the Museum twelve after the top
of Ilis just told you some more dynamic sisters. Now

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how to Detroit. It's just the Delisa Gillespians Willis is
also the sister Shashana Shakur Grand Rising Sisters. Welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 9 (01:01:09):
Graham Rising, my brother, how are you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I'm still learning. I'm still learning and.

Speaker 9 (01:01:17):
I'm still learning from your program every day. You have
so much information and education for us, and thank you
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Thank you, Sister Delisa.

Speaker 10 (01:01:28):
Yes, good morning, mister Nelson. I thank you and appreciate
you for this opportunity this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
How are you I'm like I told Sister Shashana, I'm
still learning. But let's talk about what you guys are
here for this morning, because you know, last time we
talked to you, De Lisa, you lost your eighteen year
old son the gun violence in Detroit, and it was
I know it was pretty painful to discuss. I'm not
it's painful more painful to the fact that you lost

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into the hands of another black person, the ely black
young man. Where are you with that on that journey?
Is the pain still there or this new project you're
working on, is this something to remove the pain or
can you remove the pan or change the pain? Can
you share that with us?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
I think as a mother, a parent, a survivor, you
cannot remove the pain, but there's ways to redirect the pain.
And I think that's what myself and my family have
did with the Seeds of Smoke organization. I have made
every effort to work on my pain and turn my

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pain into power and purpose. So my son is still gone.
The murder is still unsolved. As you mentioned, it's a
young black man whose life was taken by other young
black men. That's all I know. You know through the
camera footage provided by the police that there were three

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young black men and black mass black hoodies that just
ambush my son driving when he was driving my truck. So,
you know, black on black crime. That's the unfortunate piece
of this is our babies killing our babies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, and you shared with fourteen minutes of the top
of our family de Lisa Gilestlie's I guess along with
sister Shashana, she call it activist in Detroit and the
sister Delisa was here when right after her son got shot.
And what if the police is the case closed now?
Is just still open? What's what's going on with the case? First?
Before you tell us what you're doing.

Speaker 10 (01:03:36):
It is still open. It's it's not a cold case.
The police are still actively working on the investigation. However,
there the suspects have not been secured, so there no
one is currently being held accountable. So still lack injustice

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in that aspect.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
You know, somebody knows who shot yourseln there's somebody right
there in Detroit who when they heard about the shooting.
Somebody knows, somebody knows, somebody who knows. And then I'm
talking is that how do you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Deal with that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
In the community?

Speaker 10 (01:04:17):
Yeah, you know, you know, I don't know how we
deal with that. That is just that that's real for
these kids. You know, I'm a director of mental health
in Detroit Public Schools and I work with young people
every day who stand by that, and not just on
something as severe and significant as a murder, but on

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every aspect. It is the no snitch rule and these
kids are are grounded in it and this is what
they stand on. And I don't know where we go
to get them away from this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
And this is not new.

Speaker 10 (01:04:55):
This is not a twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Model.

Speaker 10 (01:05:00):
It's been going on, you know, for years. And you
know when I talk to young people, they say, MS glassy,
I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going
to tell you that. And you know, through being clinical therapists,
there's ways I can go around it and sometimes get information,
but their bottom line is if you're calling me in

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here to tell on someone or tell something, I'm not
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Wow. Seventeen after the top, Then we come back my
own to ask a Sister Shashana about that. If there's
something we can do before we get into the project,
that you've turned that pain into a real power purpose
and I want to share that with the audience as well. Family,
you got questions about this particular situation, especially when it
comes to our young people taking each other out. We
don't have to do that. We've got to do better.

(01:05:51):
We just got to do better. I'm sorry. Seventeen after
the topic, let's take the brand. We come back and
speak with Delisa and also a sense of Shashana, and
you can reach them too. If you want to join
this discussion, hit us up at eight hundred four five
zero seventy eight to seventy six. It will take your
phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for joining
us on this Tuesday morning. Twenty one minutes after the
top of that. Two sisters from Detroit, sister Desa Delisa

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and also sister Shashana, have been here before. Sister de Lisa.
The last time she was here, she told the story
of losing her eighteen year old son to gun violence,
street gun violence, and the prom she just told hasn't
been solved. But that's not stopping her. She's turned that
pain now into a purpose, a power, and a purpose.
She's going to share with us what she did to

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direct the pain from that, because it's still there from
that shooting that took place. When was that, Delisa, When did.

Speaker 10 (01:06:40):
That happen July twenty twenty three. July twelveth of twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Wow, Sister Shanna, before the break, I was going to
ask you, because I know you worked a lot with
the young people as well. This is no snitch rule
that our young people are embracing. How do we break that?
How do we at some point this there certain things
that you know shouldn't qualify for those rule, especially when
life another person is taking right.

Speaker 9 (01:07:08):
And that's an excellent question, like a million dollar question
that I don't think many of us have the answer
to what Lisa is experiencing with the you know, young
people not wanting to talk. You know, I went through
it twenty one years before her, twenty years before her

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son was murdered. My son was murdered, and they wouldn't
till then, and they're not telling now, and they're upholding
that right now. We have to be solutions driven and
we have to work on things, and we are. And
what we're working on is re education. We have to

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re educate these young people that you know, there are
times when they need to bring information forward and and
and and I feel will not to the police because
the police are the same people who will harm them oftentimes.
And I'm saying that I'm not speaking for Belisa, but yeah,

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so I think we have to love them, we have
to re educate them, We have to do what Lisa's doing.
You asked her about her pain and that, and that's
a question that a lot of people who haven't been
through that experience want to know. She still has that pain,

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but like she said, she can redirecting it, and she's
redirecting it in a way where other mothers won't have
to feel that pain, other fathers won't have to feel
that pain. If she can say other children from losing
their lives, then her son's death will not be in vain. Yes,
he gone from this planet, but everything happens for a reason,

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and I didn't want my great news to leave this earth.
But I tell Lisa all the time when she talks
about purpose, that's her purpose, and she is and she's
going to get into that because she's doing a magnificent job.
And one other point that I want to say, Carl

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is that it's just what happened to her son, Khalil
didn't just impact his mother and father and his siblings.
It impacted his friends. Khalil was not a street guy
what I would call a street guy. Okay, his friends
weren't street guys, right, Sometimes when you live in the streets,

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you know, you come accustomed to that type of life
and you expect and anticipate things. What happened to you,
like Khalil's murdered. So when Khalil left his people, his friends,
their lives have been damaged. And I'm gonna leave it

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at that. If Lisa wanted to share anything about that.
But what you said, Carl, this has got to stop.
I don't understand why is this still going on?

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Well, let me just go and ask you ladies. Twenty
five off of tomp Lisa. Something that wasn't about the
street life. He wasn't in the gang, wasn't the hood.
Wasn't it that it was clean cut young brother, you know,
knowing what he was doing, going up doing it, minding
his own business, and he gets he gets, as you mentioned,
he has taken out by somebody who looks like it.

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Have you guys figured out what the is there any
motive for that? What was all that all about? It
just didn't like him or you know, I'm just trying
to figure out the police told you any possible motives
or did they say he was or they tried to
paint him you know, usually they always to play victim
as a person who was part of a gang or
something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Did you go through that, Well, I definitely went through that.

Speaker 10 (01:11:08):
I think my first interview was Detroit. The Detroit police
detective assigned to his case. First five minutes into the conversation,
he said, Mom, what gang did your son belonged to?
And I simply said, you have the wrong file. My
son is two, was two weeks away from leaving on

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a college scholarship class university for sports. He had just
graduated two weeks before and was on his way to,
you know, a university in South Carolina. So the gang
piece of it. As we continue to talk, he said, well,
your son was a known rapper. Your son had rap songs.

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And I said, and so let's talk about that. The
connection to him rapping was what they connected to gang. Okay,
so if you rap, then there is some gang affiliation,
which it absolutely is not, and it's unfortunate. And then
you know, we talk about Tupac and Biggie and take

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it back that far. That is what has been connected
and associated with the rap, the rap and the gang
go hand in hand. I don't believe that to be true.
I know that rap was an art started as an art. Poetry.
Hip hop poetry is what raps background was. So to

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connect the gang and the rap, you know, it's something
that the police is doing, you know, in their investigation.
But when I took the time after my son's death
to listen to his music, there wasn't a drill message
connected to my son. He was talking and basically spelling
out his plans for his future when he left for college.

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That he wanted it to be an entrepreneur. He wanted
to be a music producer. So that's what he was
saying and his messages and his music. So you know,
it's just unfortunate that that was the route that the
police wanted to take. But even in that, my question
to them is, if that's what you believe, then that gives.

Speaker 9 (01:13:19):
You work to do.

Speaker 10 (01:13:20):
So let's do the work and bring people to justice.
You know, bring me some justice by bringing these people
to court and having some accountability. But you know, there's
nothing for that. They said that, and now it's two
years later and there are still no suspects, no names.

(01:13:42):
I think I give the police probably more information than
they give me because I still follow social media. I
still look at all the things that these young people
say and try to read through it, and I send
it to the police. And what they do with it,
I don't know. But as a mother, I'll keep doing
my part and keep giving them anything that I think

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could possibly bring justice to my son.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Good for you. And somebody tweeted that it could have
been a gang initiation. Is that subject to come up
during the discussion about the shooting.

Speaker 10 (01:14:18):
No, I haven't heard that. So again, he was two
weeks away from leaving for college on a sports scholarship,
So the gang initiation, I haven't heard that, So you know,
I don't I don't know that to be true, and
I would just pray not I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
You know, he's gone. That was saying that the person
who took your son's life with you know, some of
these gangs, they have to do that to get in.
It's unfortunately, yeah, yeah, not so yeah, yeah, family, we
just got to do better. I'm sorry, we just got
to do better. If you're just doing us thirty minutes
at the top of the sisters, the least your sisters

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Shashana here paring the fraternity that you know most people
don't want to join. They're the mothers of children who've
been shot and killed in our streets by people who
look like us, young people killing each other. This is
a sort of attorney. So already if you will that
you don't want to be a member of And because
of what happened, sister deleasas creating this, seize the smoke,

(01:15:23):
stop the violence. Can you tell us about that?

Speaker 11 (01:15:25):
That?

Speaker 10 (01:15:26):
What this group that you formed, well, see the smoke
is the nonprofit that I created in honor of my
son's life and legacy. I was intentional with the color
scheme for the nonprofit, black acknowledge and the stark reality
and disproportionate impact of gun violence on.

Speaker 7 (01:15:45):
Our black youth.

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
The orange serving as the bowl, unmistakable called action was
gun violence. And then the gray embody and the solution
through unity where you volidarity and collective action is the
bridge that you know will transform violence and the justice.
My mission is clear. I need to stay dedicated to

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combat and done violence, which I do through community education,
youth outreach, and enormous advocacy efforts. You know, my commitment
is that as his mother. I'm a survivor, a licensed therapist,
and I'm simply committed to bring in profound death and

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autensity to this work. You know, I understand trauma and
form care, not just on the professional side, but on
the personal side. My lived experience combined with clinical knowledge
is why I feel Seize the Smoke is the organization
position to serve and supports survivors, families and youth. And

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as Mama Shashana said, you know, when we say survivors,
most people think we're talking about the mom, the dad,
the siblings. But I lost a son, but I probably
gain fifty maybe more. I am doing direct work. I've
pulled these young people in to Seize the Smoke organization.

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They're my youth ambassadors. Yeah, I'm gonna keep them focused
and do the work their survivors, but in a different light.
And if we don't get in front of them and
grab their hands and walk them through and pull them through,
they'll go backwards. And unfortunately, in my work speaking with

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young men who acknowledge and admit to gang involvement, when
you ask the why, ninety nine percent of them have
lost a family member or close friend to gun violence
and that was their retaliation. That's their get back, right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
It's just because I know you want to say something.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
Go ahead, Okay, I just wanted to add. Lisa is
doing so much. She can't even begin to tell you
all of what she's doing. I'm so proud of her.
With Seeds the Smoke, she organized basket Her son was
an athlete during his high school years. He was the

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top very good athlete. So she is organized basketball games
baseball where they give out gym shoes to the students
who come, the young people who come, and the kids
play the game. Sometimes they'll play against older adults and

(01:18:49):
sometimes they'll play against each other. But and then, uh,
they raise money through these events to give out scholarships.
She mentioned to you that her son was on his
way to Klassland University with a scholarship. What happened to
that scholarship? You know what happened to the scholarship?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Carl.

Speaker 9 (01:19:09):
Lisa asked the president of the school, the dean or whatever,
to give that scholarship to another young man from preferably
from Detroit who could use that scholarship. And that did happen.
That young man stays in touch with Lisa and in

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addition to that scholarship. Like I said, Lisa is giving events,
raising funds to give scholarships to others. And then just
one other thing I wanted to touch on when she
talks about her experience, and that goes back to everything
happens for a reason. She's a clinical therapist. Lisa, even

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during one of the basketball games that she had organized,
we heard about a young man who was actually I
think someone else in the family knew this young man's
family who was killed. I believe Lisa could tell the stories.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
I believe he was.

Speaker 9 (01:20:10):
Killed that day, maybe even during the time that the
game was being play, and Lisa reached out to that family,
that mother. She has reached out to so many mothers
who have lost their children since she's lost her child.
So sees the smoke is definitely a miracle. I say

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it's a miracle and that we need to support it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
I having talking about support. Are you getting so? Are
you getting any support from anybody in the Detroit Greater
Detroit area.

Speaker 10 (01:20:48):
I get tremendous support from the cv I organizations, which
are the crime violence interrupters, and they're all under the
Detroit Police Department and Mayor's Office. They're a sign and
purpose to work in certain zip codes within the city.

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But I get tremendous support. They reached out. They have
paid for the anti violence games that I've done. One
of the organizations just paid for me to attend a
national Survivor network in Louisville, Kentucky, where I was there
with thirteen hundred other mothers and fathers who had lost

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their children, specifically to gun violence. So that I'm getting
the support there. I'm getting the support on the the
you know, city side through those organizations. Those organizations connect
me with mothers. There's many calls I get where I'm
actually going out to the scene before a body is

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even removed, you know, from the city officials, and I'm
grabbing that mother, having that mother's hand. I'm taking that
mother right there on the spot. This is not anything
I read, This is not anything somebody told me to do.
It's something I need to do and we'll keep doing
to be there for another mother.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Wow, that's powerful what you just said.

Speaker 9 (01:22:18):
Please, Carl, They're across the country. I would propose to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Hold that thought right there, Sister Sashana, we gotta check
take a last look at the news. I'll let you
explain that when we come back with You're right, because
the Treyvon Martin's family has one in Miami, there's one,
there's another group. It does the same thing in DC
and also in Baltimore, most of what our major cities. Family,
you want to join this conversation with our guests of
the sisters Shashana and sisters Delisa. If both of them
are lost their children to gang street gang violence by

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the hands of somebody looks like us, We've just got
to do better. I'm sorry, family, we just got to
do better. Reach out to us though, and help these
sisters out at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take phone calls after the news.
The Snags and Grand Rising family thanks us to starting
your Tuesday with us fifteen minutes away from the top
of there with two sisters from Detroit activist sisters. Sister

(01:23:09):
Sashana Shako. You've heard her here several times, also Delisa
galafiees Israelis as well. And the thing they have in common,
both of them have lost their children, young children to violence,
street gang violence. And this is what we're discussing. Delisa's
actually what she says, is turn her pain into purpose
and power. Before we go back to ear let me
just remind you come up lated this morning and speak

(01:23:29):
with the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice that'll
been atturning, Malik Shabaz and later this week and hear
from chair and Fred Hampton. Also the master teacher, brother
Astra a Quasi will be here and doctor Saby's son
Abdullah Wilso Jonash. So, if you're in Baltimore, make sure
you keep you out the radio. Lockdown tight on ten
ten WLB in the DMV run fourteen fifteen w L.
So let's let's go back to this. This what you

(01:23:51):
formed too is the pain? Who called it seize the smoke?
And this you created this a few months after your
son was murdered. What was it thinking? You know what
it happened when you had to do something with that pain?
How did you? How do you create? What went into
creating this particular program?

Speaker 10 (01:24:13):
I was contacted by one of the crime violence intervention
organizations in the city, and that organization was the People's
Community and megaz Vu is their CEO. He said, you
know what can we help you with, sister to keep

(01:24:35):
your son's legacy, you know, moving forward. And they asked
me different ideas about, you know what, who my son was.
I think that was the first question, Who was your son?
And when I talked about the different things he was
involved in, the different things he had or was looking
forward to, and his journey education wise, rat wise, athletic wise,

(01:25:00):
he said, let's put all that together and come up
with an organization.

Speaker 12 (01:25:04):
To help you.

Speaker 10 (01:25:05):
Your son is not here, but you can keep all
of those things moving forward and alive, you know, for
other young people. And that's what I did, and that's
what I'm doing. The hard part is the funding, which
is why I reached out to you, mister Nelson, to ask,
you know that I could at least speak about the

(01:25:27):
organization on given Tuesday. Given Tuesday is the one day
of the year where you know, organizations such as Sees
of Smoke reach out to the mass public, business owners, entrepreneurs,
community leaders and say, hey, you know, could you donate

(01:25:47):
and allow organizations like Sees of Smoke to keep going,
to keep moving, because that's that's what it's going to take.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:25:56):
The whole issue with justice on the legal side right
not yet being happening. Let's say but the work, I'm
still gonna do the work. Even the work won't bring
my son back, but the work allows me to reach
out and reach in to other survivors, both young people

(01:26:18):
and parents as well. Mama Shashana mentioned one of the
anti violence games, the very first one that we gave
in Khalil's honor, and that day a thirteen year old
were killed, shot and killed at our state fair in
the Nova area, right outside of Detroit, and I was

(01:26:41):
so hurt. His brother was playing in the basketball game,
representing one of the areas where there's high game presence,
and that organization brought a group of youth to the
game and allowed them to play the game, saying, you know,

(01:27:02):
this is more to us than the gang activity, and
here we want to contribute. We want to be a
part of an organization that does what you're doing. But
that same day, the thirteen year old little brother of
one of the players was shot and killed at our
state fair. So you know it's ongoing. We know death

(01:27:24):
is inevitable, but this madness, this game, this shooting, this
gun violence has to stop, and it will. It will,
but it's going to take work, a lot of work,
continuous work, and every chance I get, I try to
add another mother, another survivor to my network so that

(01:27:48):
we together can fill in the gray area and do
what's necessary to save another life. And that's what I'm
working towards. That will continue to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Work to it, and we're going to try and help
you as much as we can assisted that, Lisa. You know,
as I mentioned, the Master Teacher as question, is going
to be with us litter this week and his his things.
This is when it comes to issues like this is
just our problem is maybe it's just as Shawna, you
can comment on this. He says, we don't know who
we are. You know, the self hate and we see
it manifested too in adults. Right now, there's a class

(01:28:22):
going on with adults fighting each other all based on
self hate. Doctor fox Will tells that they're addicted to
white and so one of the things they're beefing each other.
They're doing it in the churches. They do it at
all different levels. But and the children, the young people
see it so and they then they act out as well.
So it's just as as Shawna, what if you could

(01:28:43):
come up with a remedy, because it's all about they
don't know who they are, because if they know who
they are, you would not injure or want to hurt
another person, whether they be physically, mentally, emotionally, on all levels,
because because you don't you love, you're supposed to love
that person. How can we get that message across, especially
to our young people.

Speaker 9 (01:29:04):
Well, thank you for asking that question, brother Carl. I
mean it all goes back again to education. We've been miseducated,
you know, and when are we gonna become educated? Malcolm,
I beloved Malcolm said, education is the key, you know

(01:29:26):
for us as.

Speaker 6 (01:29:27):
A grown up.

Speaker 9 (01:29:28):
We we we have been miseducated, some of us. But
the children, we have to start with the little ones.
You start there, but simultaneously you work with the ones
deleased is working with. We have to let them know
they came from kings and queens. You know that that

(01:29:49):
myth is still out there, the tired of hand myth
and uncivilized. Why where they have raped and pil pilfridge
Africa the continent almost many many of the countries over there,
and and they're you know, still doing it today. So

(01:30:09):
but we were the first civilization, So Molly somenhai Donna,
we were the first civilizations. We created agriculture. M Hotel
created medicine before.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
What's that?

Speaker 9 (01:30:25):
Oh, the doctors take the hypocratic critic obum where they
claim that the Greek uh invented medicine. No he didn't.
M Hotel created medicine. But see, these children don't learn it.
They it's not reiterated in their lives. And some people

(01:30:47):
might say, well, well, Mama, Shushina. You know, nobody's gonna
sit and listen to that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
You have to.

Speaker 9 (01:30:52):
It has to become a way of life where they
understand how great we are. And right now, you brother
Carol and I know that not only our legacy and
history trying to you know, be destroyed by mego Republicans
and the so called president, but they're destroying the elected officials,

(01:31:17):
Black elected officials.

Speaker 7 (01:31:19):
One by one.

Speaker 9 (01:31:20):
They're going after them. And we have to have that
talk because my nephew is one of them, the former
mayor of Jackson, Mississippi.

Speaker 13 (01:31:28):
But that makes sense when you look.

Speaker 9 (01:31:32):
You know, I said, well, why this got to stop?
Why why are they still doing this? But it does
make sense somewhat. When you hate yourself, when you think
your people are not good people, and when you turn
on the news on a daily basis. You hear about
black kids killing black kids. You don't hear about the

(01:31:54):
white kids killing white I was a juvenile probation officer,
and they certainly do kill white just like the President.
And this might be apples and oranges, but the so
called president cut off snap.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Food sources for people.

Speaker 9 (01:32:10):
But it's more white folks getting them sources that get
than we are. So they have to be educated. They
have to learn the truth. They have to learn who
we are, who they are, where we came from. And
that is a start, that is a very good start.

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
And they have to provide.

Speaker 9 (01:32:32):
Training for these young people. Everybody does not want to
become a doctor or a lawyer.

Speaker 7 (01:32:39):
When I was.

Speaker 9 (01:32:40):
Growing up, I don't know how it was in Maryland
and other places, but we had vocational centers where people
learn the trade, where they would be able to come
out of high school and they could be get a
plumbing apprenticeship, mechanic and things of that. Now these kids

(01:33:02):
have to be prepared for all sorts of work and
and our life.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
That's what that's what I think A good.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Point five away from the top of that. That's Sister Sashana,
Sisters Delisha's with us and she's created a group called
Seize the Smoke. She attempt is to stop the violence
in our inner cities with our children. It's in Detroit,
but the story can be replicated in just about every
major urban city, not just in this country, but across
the world. Too, young black man sharing another black man

(01:33:33):
self hate and they and they're being used and don't know. Family,
We got too many people against us for us to
be fighting against each other. Straight up. You know, they
loved when they see this. They're they're appreciating this conversation now,
but they they don't appreciate that we're waking people up.
But they like to see another black person attack another

(01:33:53):
black person, whether it be taking him out or cussing
them out, or doing all kinds of stuff. So as
you do that, you're doing the work of the oppressor.
So as how do we get that message across to
our young people.

Speaker 10 (01:34:05):
Yeah, they have to see more and hear more from people.
I think I heard during the commercial break that you
have brother Malik Shabbaz coming on your show soon. It's
brothers like Malik that I know give messages and have
a life. You know, he represents the life that need.

(01:34:27):
These kids need to see not the gang bang in life,
but the conscious life, the life that shows the history
and all of the progress that we made, as sister
Shushina was talking about. But these are the people that
need to get in front of these kids. You have
the CBI organizations who are working on stopping the violence,
and you know, demanding and promoting the message put the

(01:34:52):
gun down, right, But when you're saying put the gun down,
what's there for them to pick up in place of
the gun. And that's what we need, our black brothers
and sisters to get the message across. Once the gun,
once you've committed to putting the gun down, this is
how we're going to feel your time. And these are

(01:35:13):
the things that are out there for you to do
and place us. That's that's what we need to do.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Hold up though, right there, We're got to check the
trafficking weather one more time. It's raining in parts of
the DMV family. You drive safely out there, hitting the
roads three minutes away from the top there. Our sisters,
Delasia's sister Shashana out of Detroit. They've created an organization
called Caesar Smoke to stop this is the violence alongst
our young people. Both of them have lost children to
streak gang violence by the hands of another black person.

(01:35:40):
We've got to do better. What are your thoughts? You
want to join this conversation with us, reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
sixth we'll take a phone calls after the traffic and
weather that's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling
with us on this Tuesday morning here too. After the
top there I was the two sisters from Detroit, sister
Deleasa's sister Shashana. They've created an organization to help mothers

(01:36:02):
who have lost their children to street gang violence. Both
of them have lost their children to street gang violence.
And this is what sister Delisa says. It's turned her
pain into power and purpose. I got a tweek question
for you, ladies, and the person says, as a black mother,
I appreciate what you sisters are doing, but this killer
needs to be arrested because if this was a gang

(01:36:23):
initiation and he's still out there, he will kill again.
And my question to you, the sister Delicia, if you
had a chance to if say this dude, this young
man is probably another young man hopefully you know it's
not another sister who you know fire the shot. But
if you had a chance to talk to it, what
would you say.

Speaker 10 (01:36:45):
Well, first, because of the police report and the information
I got from not only the police but the medical examiner,
there were at least three shooters. The bullets my son
was shot, there were nineteen bullets. There were nineteen shots
fired at the vehicle my son was driving, and eleven

(01:37:06):
hit my son. And because of due to the findings
from the police, they came from three different weapons. So
that's one that makes it even bigger and more scary
that I would not be having a conversation with one
young man, not two young men, with three young men that,

(01:37:27):
for whatever reason, gang initiative or otherwise, were okay killing
another young brother. Right, So my thought and my words
to them wouldn't be why, because I don't know that
the why is what they're ready to answer. But how

(01:37:49):
how can we make this difference? What is it that
you miss or what is it you need to pull
you away from it to not make this part of
your every day? You wake up, you get a gun,
you go out with a plan to take another life.

(01:38:10):
What is it I can do for you. What is
it the community can do for you, starting with your
own household, your parents. What is it that we need
to pour in to you to stop the plan to
take the gun and go out and take another life?

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
And they know the life they took. That person has
a mother, just like they have a mother. Yep, But
how do we get that message across to our young people?
I mean, this is this is a serious problem family.
Here's the deal. The other folks are not gonna solve it.
Let me tell you again, the other folks are not
gonna solve it. This problem is cry describing with our

(01:38:54):
young people. We're gonna have to solve the problem. We're
gonna have to step up. I don't know how we're
gonna do it. I don't have the ends, but I'm
putting it out there because I know we've got some
brilliant people listening to this program who can come up
with ideas. We do it for other folks, who've got
to start doing it for ourselves. A lot of times
with the people with the great ideas, you know that
they don't live in the inner city. They moved out
and basically they're addicted to white Now, I want to

(01:39:15):
say all of them are, but some of them, you know,
that conscience, will will think about they come back to
the neighborhoods that they grew up with and see the
things is going on. It seems going unchecked because again
the other folks they're happy there's one less one of
us they have to deal with. We're doing the work
for them. We've got we've just got to do better.
Sister Shashana, you know, having this this this conversations with

(01:39:37):
these young people, because you guys work with both young people,
how do you approach them? Are they approachable? Are they
Are they willing and eager to hear this kind of stuff?

Speaker 9 (01:39:46):
M hm, Well, I think Lisa expressed with her experience
that you know, a lot of them like you know,
I'm not going to talk to you about that, but
but just in general conversation, if you walk into a
classroom or into a group setting, some of them will

(01:40:07):
definitely talk about it, most of them will will not,
some of them will listen. And then of course, depending
on what you know a room you walk into, what
type of meeting it is, some of them may make
fun and laugh and you know, but so yeah, some

(01:40:29):
will be receptive of it, and some want. But that
doesn't matter because I've always said, as a former teacher,
I've always said, if I have thirty five students in
the classroom, and if I can reach two of them,
if I can reach five of them, I mean, if
I'm doing my job, I should reach all thirty five hopefully,

(01:40:52):
but just reaching some of them, that's the point. You
can't get everyone, but you just and I think Lisa
alluded to it or you know, refer to it that
you you know, you take things as every day right,
and and the other thing I wanted to.

Speaker 13 (01:41:12):
Say about these young people is that they've lost hope. Also,
teaching the students who act up the most, I would
always sometimes walk up to them and give them a hug,
or I would put them on front and in front
of the class. Baby, come come up here and let
me give you a hug.

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
You need some love.

Speaker 9 (01:41:34):
Okay. I was, you know, trying to make a point.
And the point is that the kids who come and
act out, there's somebody acting out in their homes.

Speaker 5 (01:41:45):
They're coming.

Speaker 9 (01:41:46):
So when your question just a few minutes ago, how
do you reach them?

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
What do you do? Well?

Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
You got to reach the parents too. These kids just
didn't grow up all on their own and become the
way they Other people are responsible for that. And you know,
like Lisa and I both have sons that were killt Okay.
And I told the officer and my son's case, well,

(01:42:13):
because it was similar to Lisa, and we have to
have this conversation another day because my son was out
in the street. He wasn't like Lisa's son. He wasn't
eighteen year old getting ready to go to college, So
we'll have that conversation. But he didn't have a gun
and he wasn't trying to kill anyone. And I said, well,

(01:42:35):
the kids who are out here walking around with guns
and killing people, what's the difference in appearance and the upbringing?

Speaker 7 (01:42:43):
What is going on here?

Speaker 9 (01:42:45):
Where is the morality? How come these kids don't know
that a human life is valuable or care? And then
I'm gonna end it with this one juvenile probationer that
I worked with. I used to have them do a
lesson when they first got on my case row and
I would tell them to write a little three paragraph

(01:43:09):
little essay as to what they planned to do ten
years for now. And so those juveniles they would come
to me to sell as young as seven. I wouldn't
have them do it, but the average age were thirteen,
fourteen year old, fifteen. So this one young man, he
was about fourteen, and when I asked him, where was

(01:43:31):
his essay When he came back, he said, well, I
didn't feel like doing it. Well why So we had
a conversation and then he said, well, what's the point.
I won't be here ten years from now. And to
me to have a fourteen year old kid tell you
he's not going to be here ten.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Years from that, wow, Wow, that's just sad. That's yeah.
But you talked about the parents, the adults. We've got
to stop the fighting too, and the internet because they
see us back and forth. This all the self hate
back and forth, the adults arguing with each other. They're
mimicking what they see their parents, what the adults are doing.

(01:44:10):
At some point, somebody could be got to be they say, hey,
this self hate, it's not working. We're just playing into
the hands of the oppressor. Because as long as we're
taking each other out, fighting each other. And doctor Welson
teaches us about this, that's a good for them. That's
less work for them to do because we're doing their work.
So if you ladies can get that information out to
our young brothers and sisters out there who may be

(01:44:32):
prone to get into the street life and telling us
another way and teach them. As Astroquation when he comes
on later this week, was going to teach us about
our history. Well you know we didn't. We didn't come
here with Our history doesn't start on these shores, as
you'd already know mentioned sister Shashana. Our history started back
on the continent, and that's where we have to go back.

(01:44:54):
We have to go back and show them who they are,
what they come from, the greatness that's in their dem
and a that it can aspire to. So this is
and let me get off my soapbox, cause we got
the tourny Releek waiting for us. But before I let you,
sisters go though, how can folks help you? Because you
know you're doing this and I know, but you gotta
you gotta get some help. How can people help you?

(01:45:16):
Is there a website a phone number where people can
help it? Because we've got somewhere, We've we've got to
we've got to stop it. We just got to do better.
We just got to stop this self hate. So so, uh,
sister Delisa, how can how can we reach you? And
how can we Is there a website? Email addresses something there?

Speaker 10 (01:45:31):
Definitely sees the smoke has a website. It sees the
smoke dot org. S E, I Z E the smoke
dot org and that's the full website that shows you
all of the work that has been done and the
plan to continue is right there on the website. And

(01:45:51):
then I have the info at sees the smoke dot
org direct email for anyone that you know wants to
send an email, and you know, my immediate response would
would definitely be a promise to that.

Speaker 9 (01:46:08):
So yeah, yeah, like I told.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Her last time, because there's another sister who had lost
two children to gun violence. We won the last time
you hit so and I said, keep us in the
loop because again and I'll see it over and over.
This is our problem. The other folks don't care, they
like it. We have to solve this problem. So the
self hate, that's why we don't entertain this fighting on

(01:46:31):
this particular program. You want to do that black on
black fight, go somewhere else. We don't do that here.
We're not We're not going to promote that kind of stuff.
So U and I just hope that everybody understands what
because if you've heard doctor Wells, you've a doctor Fox,
Tony Browner, you've heard these brothers and scholars that we
have come on this radio, they they don't have those

(01:46:52):
kind of issues. And the people who listen to this
program they don't have those kind of issues either. So
we've got to make a stop. Family and just a Seana,
You've been around quite a bit Republican New Africa and
all that with your brother uh shake out, you know,
I know all that that story. So I know are
you trying? But you need help? So how can folks
help you as well?

Speaker 9 (01:47:11):
Okay, well, Lisa takes you know, the credit for seeds
to Smoke. I'm only a supporter of Lisas. But you know,
in terms of getting in touch with me, they can
always email me at Shashana Shakua and Shashana is s
as in sam h U s h A n n

(01:47:35):
A Shakua. And I always tell people like Tupac, but
I had my name first s h A k U
R dot com Shashana Shakua dot com. And you can
get in touch with me that way. And I'm involved
with many things in the community. Carl Is, Brother carl

(01:47:55):
Is nice enough to have me come on and talk
about some of the housing injustices and the youth programming
and different things that I do. But thank you and
and and brother Carl. I just want to suggest that
I think it would be great for your listening audience
if Lisa would come back with some of the cvis

(01:48:16):
that are out there, you know, up front with the
young people in the streets trying to uh stop and
reduce this crime and murder.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Of course, sure, yeah, sure, let's let's do that. Like
I told to keep us in the loop, because it's
our problem. We've got to figure out we how to
stop it. But thank you again, and thank you for
the concern and the work that you ladies are doing
in Detroit.

Speaker 9 (01:48:41):
Yeah, and if everyone could please go to Seize the
Smoke dot org and make a donation to the great
work that Lisa's doing to help with this homicide problem
and the families who are suffering.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
All right, thank you, ladies, thank you for all that
you do. All right, Family fifteen half the Tough, Free
the Land, Turning Malik Shabbaz behind Rising, one Love, Thank you,
One Love. Attorney Malik. Yes, sir, grand Rise brother, you're
in Rising, and I think you would be so patient

(01:49:21):
with us, man, because this is is just a serious
issue in our community. You know, we've we've just got
to stop this infighting. And you know it manifest yourself
with the young people shooting and killing each other. Then
you have the adults. You have it in the clergy.
You have it in different different religions too, you know,
Christians and Muslims and everybody going against each other. But

(01:49:43):
I know you working out on the unification process as
well with the different groups. And I hate to do
this because we come up on a break and I
know we just got you on, but I wonder if
you address that and talk about some of the other
issues that we talked about that we're going to talk about,
especially the mayor race and in d C and also
what's going on, oh the other political race too that

(01:50:03):
you're working with. You're working with in Mississippi, US Senate
Canada Priscilla till as well. So we'll talk about that
when we get back. Family is just joined us. Call
up a couple of friends telling that Attorney Miliks Shabazi
is on the radio. They'll appreciate it. You can call
into at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll taket calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for staying with us so this Tuesday morning at

(01:50:25):
twenty minutes, Souven of the top of the turn our
attention to our next guest. He's the founder of the
Black Lawyers for Justice. You've heard it before, Attorney Maliksha
Baza and again Grand Rising, Attorney Milik welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
Grand Rising, and thank you for having me this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
And you know, before I ask you that question, why
did you start the Black Lawyers for Justice? What prompted
you to start this organization?

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
Oh well, when I came out of Howard University Law School,
I had it was one major legal organization. Oh well
two actually it was National Bar Association was the main
organization that I was familiar with, and and also at
that time was a national conference of black lawyers who

(01:51:14):
were who were more active than they are now, but
they were significant and well well, Black Lawyers for Justice
was the desire to fill a gap that I felt
was needed for black attorneys to assert themselves, and not
only in legal and political causes that affected our people.

(01:51:38):
The first active, first event that we had was in
October of nineteen ninety six. It was at Scripture Cathedral
Church on ninth and Old Streets.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
UH.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
And that and that event UH we had, we had
mister O. J. Simpson rest is soul. O. J. Simpson
had just beat his criminal trial. He had not even
entered his frial, and he and his issue was a
lot as a red firecracker. And and I went and
saw J. Simpson. As matter of fact, I want to

(01:52:11):
give credit to Brother Steve Cochley rest his soul. Steve
Cochley UH had went to see OJ also earlier that year.
He was one of my inspirations. I worked with carefully
with Brother Steve Cokeley over my career, so UH the
COOJ at different times. And then once I saw Brother OJ,

(01:52:32):
he agreed UH to UH to come to Washington, d C.
For a welcome home rally. And and then and then
Black Lawyers for Justice started there to begin it's taking
a stand on controversial issues and and and it was packed.
There was two thousand people. It was all on the

(01:52:53):
inside the outside, protesters, demonstrators, and that's how we got started.
And and just over the years, we just fought different
battles that needed to be fought for our people. I
work with attorneys Roger Wareham to Reef Michael, the Reef
Warren in New York. We won the Million Youth March
legal cases allowing doctor Khalib Muhammad to march and to

(01:53:17):
hold his events in New York and create and uh,
you know, as uh just at that time, as a
as a young man, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm seeking to
fight for the liberation of my people. And and I'm
well versed in black nationalism. I'm coming out of this
tutelage of Minister Lewis Farakot and doctor Khalib Muhammad and

(01:53:41):
and others on the Howards University scene. Uh, but Black
Lays for justin some is a it's just just myself
as a as a young black man and attorney desiring
to take a stand for my people in in the
legal and political arena, and and uh you know, my
careers taking different paths over the years, but still to

(01:54:03):
this day, Black Lawyers for Justice is a force. A
small force of formidable attorneys count amongst our Board Donaval
Donald Temple. Donald Temple is one of the great civil
rights lawyers in this city, well known in this city.
Big props to Attorney Gregory Latimer, who's a legend in

(01:54:24):
this town and others around the country, Attorney Reginald Green
down there in Atlanta, Georgia. So so i hate to
take so long on that answer, but I'm honored for
that to be one of the main organizations that I've
been able to fight with and use my legal talent
through Black.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Lawyer's suggested the backstory on Cokeley and OJ after the trial.
The next day after the trial, Johnny Cochran was, I
guessed the following day it was OJ, and the next
day was Steve Cockley. And so Cokeley came in early
when OJ was there and invited OJ to come to

(01:55:03):
what we call the Good Life. It was a restaurant
like where this is where all our scholars would come
with her in town and they speak it's it's a
vegetarian restaurant right on crunch aw. You probably know you're
from La so and and.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
And they taped it because yeah, because he didn't think
that O J would show up, and so people didn't
think because that was our Friday, and all of a sudden,
OJ comes in, and you know what's funny because at
the Good Life, Brother Malik, all kinds of people come
up there, they listen to the program. It's dan Ziel's
been there, and nobody bum rushes them.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
All these celebrities, these Hollywood types, they come by if
they hear some regred stuff they were going to speak
or at claude Anis or something. They show up and
there's nobody asking for take. Well, we're gonna have phones
there to take pictures, but there's nobody pastoring them. You know,
they just okay, just another person. And that's how it
was Rejuice. He just came up there, came up and
nobody's climbing around. He just everybody wanted, you know, at

(01:55:54):
that time outside of it that people wanted to get
with him, and he and Coachley did and they talked.
So yeah, that was the backstory that I didn't know
if he took it back to d C. But yeah,
I just want to share that with you.

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know, actually it's a quick point he
actually did. That was part of what I was saying.
I just happened to forget that point and you raised it.
He would he would come into Washington, d C. And
he would teach at the at the right near Howard
University and he would play that tape from the Good
Life with oj That was that was that was one

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thing amongst many great things that brother Steve Kochery did
and good Life. I'm from Los Angeles, triple thumbs up,
black power. It was just that was those are the
great those are great days, great days. They were great place.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Yes they were, Gregor, you're trying to get you to
a grass grass juice or something up there, interesting place,
a vegetarian restaurant. But it was all the scholars whenever
they come to town. That was the stop that they
they made it at the of the Good Life. But
let me ask you this though, because we talked with
these sisters moments ago. Uh, Attorney Malika, and you know

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this this gang finding this this you know, between our
young people, trying to figure out way how we can
stop that. Now, I know you've been working not at
that level, but at a senior level with some of
these trying to bring members of the nation, the other
members of Islamic groups, also the Christian groups, to bring
them together. How is that coming about?

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
Uh? Well, I would say this on the on the
violence issue, a couple a couple of points I do.
I do have some background as uh as I said,
I come up continued, I come up constantly working in
grassroots black organizations that work in the black community. I'm

(01:57:48):
known here right now, I'm on this radio broadcast under
the Black Lawyers for Justice. But a substantial amount of
my time and work right now to this second is
done in Southeast Washington, d C. Wards seven on one
of the toughest streets over there, uh so called violence
used to be violence prone streets Nelson placed. Over the

(01:58:10):
over the years, I've worked in with the Nation of
Islam Unity Nation UH of course well known for New
Black Panther Party, which is just a just a pure urban,
UH black organization that's was mainly young people. Back in
the two thousands. I succeeded the Outible College Muhammad and

(01:58:34):
in that job, I'm also from Los Angeles, California. So
I just want to say this. I'm I'm hoping things
will get better. No, no race, no race UH has
has ever not fought against each other inside its own race.
I do want to make that point. You know, were
white people have fought UH wars and incredible amount of wars,

(01:59:00):
incredible amount of bloodshed and killing amongst amongst them Britain
and Germany and and Italy, and you know, just fighting
and killing amongst each other, filling us also of course.
And so uh, I don't I don't think that that
there will ever be an idealistic, perfect situation where where

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Black people are are never at in conflict with each other,
because that's just in part human nature. However, we must
say that we cannot afford the the the uh, the
level of violence, the level of tragedies that occur in
our community, the number of Black men, young black males

(01:59:43):
that are being sent to the cemetery we are as
compared to anybody else, We cannot afford it. And and
still I think the central question comes back with a
couple of months back now after Million Man March anniversary,

(02:00:04):
is that the central question is in the black community
is the it's a black man, it's a black man,
it's the black father. It's the presence of a guide,
a mentor, of of somebody strong in our communities that
can raise help raise their sons as well as these
sons in the black community. And uh, and it presents

(02:00:28):
a certain set of contradictions now, because when you mentioned
the term strong black man, I mean in certain cities
an area, including my own, what they'll look at you, funny.
You can't hardly even say strong black man without without
meeting some opposition in some quarters. And so it's hard

(02:00:49):
to find a strong, fine, strong black men right here
in Washington, DC area these days. We have many great brothers.
Don't get me wrong, but the term strong black men
and in the black community is almost a misnomer. There's
been to conclude there's a specific effort to uh the decapitate, emasculate,

(02:01:13):
and to dismantle and destroy the black man, in the
black male, in society and in my city. And as
a result, you get a lot of tragedy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
Hopefully we have a lostuff.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
Tell me going to the grave, going to the cemetery.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
Yeah, let's talk about DC Murel Bowser stepping down twenty
nine minutes away from the top of that family traveling
drive slave, especially in Washington, d C's got rain all day,
so please strive carefully out there in this weather. But
Attorney of the League, what would you say would be
the legacy for Muriel Bowser?

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
It's a heck of a question mixed legacy, mixed legacy.
She she represented, uh, the competency of the black woman
just as a as a black woman man. We could
say that that that she represented. She was uh. She

(02:02:19):
she knew how to handle herself, she carried herself well,
she spoke well, she looked well.

Speaker 9 (02:02:25):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
Policy wise, she presided over perhaps the greatest spike in
in development, in development and rehability and and I guess
esthetic improvement in the District of Columbia and the District
of Columbia totally changed under the Muriel Bowser's watch. The

(02:02:48):
questions and the calculus on her legacy is whether or
not the growth and development that took place under Muriel
Bowser was was four or against black people. I mean,
I mean, straight up, I mean and some of it
was for there's no doubt about that. Many business owners

(02:03:09):
or that are raised their hands. But but but we
can also say that unfortunately, and I don't we can
calculate to what degree it's what the blame belongs on her.
But gentrification and displacement of black skyrocketed under the reign
of Miria about under her under her watch, our people

(02:03:34):
would power in Washington, d C. Just in where they
live and how they live, and it was decimated. Properties
went sky high. And so this is a different city.
Is taken far, far far from the days of Marion
Barry and Chocolate City US. The city is run by developers.

(02:03:57):
You know, many areas that we know, Howard Universe, you
go around Howard University to day is is heavily gentrified.
I mean looks everywhere. And so I think it's mixed.
She's she's done, she's doing and has done good things.
There's no doubt about it, Honorable miriael bows in many quarters.

(02:04:17):
In other ways, black people have uh, have have suffered
and lost power, and therefore her legacy will be mixed.
It will be positive, but yet mixed. Uh and with
serious concerns for the future.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
Well let me jump in twenty six away from the
top of that, because she still got time, because even
though she's a lame duck mayor, she still got time
to you know, change how legacy said. We'll see that
if that happens. But I want to talk to you
about the people who are jockeying for to replace her.
And the latest person to throw a hat into the
proverbial ring was the Council member from the ward number four,

(02:04:55):
Denise Lewis George, who describes herself as a democratic socialist.
I'm just wondering if she's picking up some of the
vibes out of New York with Mondani. Hope that that
can play it out in the district. Your thoughts, Uh,
we would.

Speaker 4 (02:05:11):
Let's see. You know, Mondami himself is a He's a phenomenon.
He catches. He catches everybody by surprise. I'm not from
New York, but he caught me by surprise because because
I never heard of him until he he rocketed to
the mayor's seat on the label of democratic socialism now
just quickly. Democratic socialism supposed, it says, since it's a

(02:05:36):
popular term now, is a political and economic philosophy that
advocates for a democratically run and socially owned economy. It
says it's unlike authoritarian forms of socialism such as Marxists
and Marxism Leninism. But uh, it's about political demand see

(02:06:01):
but opposes capitalism. And it's for things, and it's for
policies such as universal health care, free education, workers' rights,
and and and and other other principles sound pretty good
to most of us. Uh, let me ask you this
though good and the theory it sounds good.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
But you think that would resonate in the district councilor
do you think people of what you just said, all
all those you know, the stipulations have come out of
a Democratic Socialists agenda, would with that work in Washington
d C.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
Well, we have to see to what extent would it
work in Washington d C.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
I hold that through right there. I'll let you finish
your expression. People got to take a short break, and
I'll let you tell us because one of the things
too that and this is where you come in A
question for you, especially for the new person who says
that they're running the challenging to get that seat again
from Ward four City Council Genie Lewis George. She was
talking about defunding the police and I just wonder if

(02:07:06):
that would work today. And I get to your thoughts
as that as well. Family, you two can join our
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Lawyers for Justice. Reach out to us at eight hundred
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there's Attorney Malie Shabaz. He's the founder of the Black
Lawyers for Justice. Before we go back to let me

(02:07:27):
just remind you. Coming up later this week, you're gonna
hear from doctor Sabey's son Abdula will join us. Also
the Master Teacher himself, brother Astra Quasi will be here
and Chairman Fred Hampton will also stop by. So if
you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep you ready locked
in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in
the DMV, we're on fourteen fifteen WL. So Council, my
question to you before we left was the DC Council

(02:07:49):
from the Ward four Deenicee Lewis George says she wants
to be the next mayor of Washington, DC. She says
that she's a democratic socialist and I'm glad you did that.
Explain what a democra had socialist stands because some people
interpreted them being Donald Trump's is he called Mandy a
communist and people think that, you know, they're extremists, but
what you said that what they want? Do you think

(02:08:12):
that would resonate with with the people in the district.

Speaker 4 (02:08:18):
Now in theory, in theory, the theory that that that
we were going with, we're not on the side of corporations.
That the candidate that says that I'm not on the
side of corporations, I'm not on the side of the
big developers. That I'm for the people. That I'm for
everybody to have not only just affordable housing, but but

(02:08:42):
but the ability to own and have equity in in
this city. About i'mally talking about black people right now.
We could talk about the all people equation, but I mean,
I'm sure it's going to catch some traction amongst a
certain quarter of whites who tend to be liberal in
the district of Columbia democratic socialism and and according to

(02:09:05):
my analysis, they tend to think more theoretically in the district.
And and this person in this case, Councilwoman Lewis George.
There there are other candidates we talk about in a minute,
Sister Ronda Hamilton and others. But I think this candidate,
like Deanie Lewis George, under the label of democratic socialism,

(02:09:28):
that that she will gain a certain amount of traction
amongst liberal whites in the district. The key question is
how she resonates with the black community and how what
democratic centralism is supposed to stand for. Can she convince
black people in the district she's for that and and

(02:09:50):
will actually stand for that, uh when she comes into office?
And has she built enough of a track record in
the in the entire black community to gain that support.
But the jury certainly still out.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
Right sixteen away from the town.

Speaker 4 (02:10:10):
Principles and her policy. Is she gonna is she gonna well,
she is she gonna be able to gain traction in
the book community? The jury is still out.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
And my question to you because if she was one
of the early ones after George Floyd was saying defund
the police, and that's been attacked, uh since the Trump
administration's second term. Can can she stand by that? And
still when the mayor race, you think defund the police?
Is that's something that a season politician can can talk

(02:10:41):
about these days? Is that still a great thing to say?

Speaker 4 (02:10:45):
What you got to see is that is that she's
serious about it. That's the question, is I mean? I mean,
has her policy legislative record revealed that he has atmant
about defund in the police and introduced legislation and talkship.
Uh maybe I missed that. I haven't. I haven't seen that,

(02:11:07):
but I like that thinking. Now, don't get me wrong.
Uh See, there's one thing. It's it's being the mayor
of the District of Columbia's no easy job. This is
a mayor maryer above. Anybody knows that this is it's
not an easy job. It's a it's a federally controlled city.

(02:11:27):
It's a it's a heavy political weight over the mayor's head.
It's controlled by congress persons. Uh Uh, it's heavily developer influence.
And the question is is kind of person with with
the good ideas with would they ever be able to
put them into practice from the mayor's office. Well, again,

(02:11:48):
you have to go back and say that although although
we don't claim perfection for him, that that mayor, Mayor
Marion Barry did probably the best job you could do
under those circumstances. And and I mean to me, he
was more democratic socialist and he's the democratic socialist to

(02:12:09):
be honest. I mean he was for the people. Uh.
His his policies were mainly for the people, for the youth,
for the senior citizens. Uh. He helped a lot of
black people come up in business. Uh, but he certainly
was not a corporate rand man. And and so the
question is, can any of these candidates take the good

(02:12:32):
parts of his legacy? Can any mayoral candidate come upon
the good parts of marrying Barry's legacy in terms of
his policy and good will towards the people and and
will and can they represent that? Because that will be
the candidate and that I would support in this hour,
because something's got to change in this city. I mean,

(02:12:54):
the city is the city of Washington, DC. Is it's
going It's gonna make more than democratic socialism to fix
what's going wrong in the city. Black people are being
decimated and it's a long way from what it was.

Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
Yeah, thirteen away from the top. And City council member
Kenyan McDuffie is also one who says he's going to run.
Hasn't file his papers yet, but he says he's going.
He wants the job.

Speaker 4 (02:13:20):
And McDuffie, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
Your thoughts on him, yeah, make a good good man.

Speaker 4 (02:13:29):
I think he's fundamentally I thought. I think he's fundamentally
a good brother. I think Kenyan McDuffie is fundamentally a
good man. I've had good interactions with him, and I
think he's fundamentally good. But he but he's no Marion Barry.
I mean, be honest, he if you take him right now,

(02:13:52):
I'm not just this is just being not being critical,
but I gotta think critically right now if you go
to to war Aid or Ward seven M. Certain political
people certainly they know him, that are into the district politics,
but that the average personal voter, he has low recognition.

(02:14:13):
Same thing with Miss George, I mean East for these
candidates are not known right now. D c's frankly does
not have a political champion for the underclass in DC
does not have a political champion for for the work
for even the working class. Doc Waer. When the National

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Guard uh uh is placed here by Donald Trump, and
there there are other offenses that are committed in the
District of Columbia, there is not a known champion or
fighter in elected office that is known for fighting for
the people. I mean, if if maybe I'm I can't
be missing something because because I'm in I'm in the

(02:14:58):
district daily. So this is what it's truly why it's
truly wide open.

Speaker 1 (02:15:07):
Yeah, let me ask you this though, do you think
Marion Barry came back today, he could win the election.
I think he'd be re elected in Washington d C.

Speaker 4 (02:15:15):
Oh, the man in his prime, absolutely, Marion Barry of
eight fifty years old, second term Marion Berry absolutely to
destroy this field. Well, it would be a close race.
I have to say that because of the demographics of
the district. I'm thinking back in the days when the

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district was seventy five percent black. Well, the district has
been decimated down to forty two percent black. So I
think the Marion Barry of his prime would would have
a heavy would be would have a be a serious threat.
But it's the whites can roll a lot of the

(02:16:00):
vote in the district right now. So so you have
to consider that the white vote. I mean, there could
be a white mayor in DC. And what strange is
that sound? A white man could come out come out
of this race and a white candidate could come and
split the field. So, uh, it's a different demographic and

(02:16:21):
and and it's such a different demographic it has to
act every candidate that's running, it's going to say what
is your track record and what have you done? When
it comes to uh, not gentrification, affordable housing, and making
sure that the legacy are what they call African Americans
or black people Afro descendants in this city. What is

(02:16:45):
your legacy? And every candidate gonna have to come up
with to me better answers than what they've come up
with thus far. You know, no disrespect to any of them,
but the ones that are in office that just not
been strong enough. And and Marion Barry would be Marion
Barry person tight candidate or even stronger. This would be

(02:17:08):
a breath of fresh air in this race.

Speaker 1 (02:17:10):
Yeah, well let me jump in here. Could it be there?

Speaker 4 (02:17:12):
Though?

Speaker 1 (02:17:12):
As you mentioned the composition, it was Chocolate City, then
it's not Chocolate City. Now, see, you've got you got
a different card in your in your deck. You've got
to play. You've got to, you know, get white folks
who who we say, now make up what a third
would you say or a quarter of the residents in
the district, and and you know many of them. I'm

(02:17:33):
not going to support a candidate who says defund the police.
That's you know, that's why I asked you about uh
the sister who says she's a democratic socialist and she
was her championing defund the police and some of you said,
you you agree with but I'm sure the white folks
in the district are not going to go along with that.
Your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:17:52):
Uh, well, well that's true. Also, I don't even know that.
I don't know how much she's amplifying her position with
the police. She's she's not known here as a as
a as a stanch critic of the police. I mean
just despite that, despite that proclamation or aligning with that policy,

(02:18:14):
at some point known here for for being tough on
the police. I mean the National Guard. It's a big
story here. I mean your whole guard issue will from
the whole city council, and all of them, none of
them have taken a point position on the on the

(02:18:34):
militarization in the district of Columbia. They all have been tipped.
They all have been kind of tepid on that. So, uh,
you're you're right. I mean, white people would not support
a defund the police candidate. So the question is is
can anybody who has an ideological position and they want

(02:18:54):
to win the race, and they got to make a
certain amount of compromises to win the race, could they
ever be the candidate that in the beginning, once they
have to cut all those deals to get to the
mayor's office. In the end, you know, I judge it
on what they've done thus far. I mean this city
is like if you go to Howard University, the Shaw neighborhood,

(02:19:17):
I mean, it's it's, it's it's it's it's good and bad.
I would say bad and good. It carries hardly any
of the cultures in Shaw that it used to. I'm
talking about Latroit Park, I'm talking about the Howard University area.
I mean, this is this is legacy of black culture,

(02:19:39):
uh in this city. And you go here, now it's
a bunch of condominiums, it's a bunch of bunch of
big empty buildings. I mean they've knocked the they've knocked
the culture and the character and the core out of
this out of this city, and certainly knocked the black
out of it. And they built a bunch of high
rises and empty condo minims and and you and and

(02:20:03):
it's it's it's it's not pretty in sharp to me,
it's it's ugly. It has some improvements, but but the
character of it is destroyed. You can't you can't replace
character and and black civilization that's been here so you know,
the the the destruction of black civilization, and in Washington,

(02:20:27):
d C. The destruction of black culture is is real.
It's it's on many people's minds. Elders. Uh, many people
are upset about this. Right then, the councilwoman George district
of Ward four, it's a shadow of its former self.
How many how many black homeowners and elders and seniors

(02:20:49):
due to property taxes sky rising through the roof here?
How many have how many of those uh have been lost?
I mean Ladroit Park. So I hate to sound this said,
but we are dissatisfying. We are. I mean, there's a

(02:21:09):
great level of dissatisfaction. So I'm hoping something's gonna change,
Democrat centralism or some strong candidate that's going to appear.
But we're hoping that that will take place. And it's
a big vacuum now that Mariel bows us out, and
it's certainly going to be a hell of a race,
an interesting race, all right, come up.

Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
On the break so our stations can identify themselves that line.
But I call it to the studio. Just said that
she's at the airport or he's at the airport. She
spotted you at the League shippos. Right now he's talking.
She says she's listening to the show from the American
Airlines turner. So, I guess that's that's where you're speaking
to us. Around the boy, the American Airlines. Look around,
there's somebody listening to the program right now, Tony Malee watching. Yes,

(02:21:55):
that's rated, that's live radio. Family. I mentioned it's four
minutes away from the top now and we come back
those The Counselor Chairman Phil Mendelson says he believes that
protecting home rules should be the top priority for the
next mayor of Washington, d C. What say you, Attorney Malik,
I'll let you answer that when we get back. Family,
you two can join this conversation with Attorney Malie Shabaz.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

(02:22:16):
zero seventy eight seventy six. Men, take your phone calls.
Next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us
on this Tuesday morning. Our guest there is Attorney Elite Chabaz.
He's the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice and
MoMA Tellor. We're going to speak with Priscilla Till she's
running for the US Senate seed in Mississippi. But before
we left for the break, I was asking the attorney
Milik about Councilman Chairman Phil Mendlsson in Washington, d C.

(02:22:40):
For the rest of the country, believes that protecting home
rules should be the top priority for the next mayor.
So what say you, counselor? Yeah, and your Yeah, your
phone's going in and out.

Speaker 4 (02:22:59):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
Yeah, he's going in and out. Yeah we can hear you.
But go ahead. Yeah, you gotta getting a good spot
at the airport there because it's going in and out.

Speaker 4 (02:23:13):
Okay, hold one second, I'm sort of.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Lost in man, but yeah, the question family is a
counselor in. Phil Mendelssohn says, he pleas protecting All.

Speaker 4 (02:23:22):
Right, go ahead, Sorry for the gap. Can you hear
me now, Yeah, we can hear you.

Speaker 1 (02:23:27):
This sounds a lot better.

Speaker 4 (02:23:29):
Okay, I'm sorry. Okay, Phil Mendelssohn and his uh he
says home rules to be the top priority you. I
agree and disagree with Phil Mendelssohn. Of course, the District
of Columbia should have political autonomy, should be able to
make its own decisions and then run its own agencies

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and command its own budget and pass its own laws.
I mean, I guess that's a fundamental democratic principle. However,
if you acts the average voter in the black community
how high home rule rates on their list, Uh, they
might not even know what home rule. I mean, I'm

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not gonna say they don't know what home rule is,
but they're not going to rate it as as as
as high as filled Mendelssohn. And and that's simply because
home rule has has not delivered for for our community
the way it should have. And therefore, when encroachments or
violations or usurpations of home rule take place, uh, there's

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no strong outcry in our community because the the existing
political structure has not delivered. Now, now, to me, true
democratic socialism means that the candidate is promising a moratorium
on development in the district. I mean, straight up, the
candidate that that that to me would be strong and

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and that would would represent what you call democra rad
not centralism democratic. That's a path of principle democratic socialism,
democratic socialism. Or is it going to make a true change?
Is that candidate that is going to call for a
and try to enforce a moratorium on development in the
District of Columbia. And that is to say that the

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billions of dollars that come here, the billions of dollars
that's being spent here, that that we're gonna, we're gonna
blow the whistle and we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
stop this whole process and take account for this money
and make sure that the wealth is at the the
the the economic portfolio. The District of Columbia is turned

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away from. It's turned away in a completely different direction
than it is right now. I mean, it should be
moratorium on development of moratorium against condominiums are moratorium against
developers are running the city, and and and those funds
and those dollars could go to better, better programs, better

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jobs for at rich populations U a better way of
life for the besieged black people or African American in
the district. And and and so that's what Phil Mendelson
should be talking.

Speaker 1 (02:26:30):
Got you five after topic before we speak to had Uh.
Your phone's going in and out again.

Speaker 4 (02:26:41):
Okay, I'm sorry. What is he going to do with it?
Is what I said? If he has home rule.

Speaker 1 (02:26:47):
Yeah, that's a good question. But let me ask you
this though, do you really think that the powers that
be are going to allow another black person, a progressive
black person, to run Washington.

Speaker 4 (02:26:55):
D C uh So, I don't know, I don't know.
You see, you see will they allow? Is that what
you say?

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:27:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
Well will they?

Speaker 4 (02:27:08):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:27:08):
Because most of the folks that are probably listened to
us at east of the river, but the other folks
in the other wards of Washington, DC, the folks who
don't look like us, you think that they'll be comfortable
having another black person run the city because the numbers
are changing the math Mathew, as they say.

Speaker 4 (02:27:25):
Oh absolutely, oh absolutely, ye black black mayor? Will they
comfortable with a black mayor? I mean, and I think
the white population is higher around forty percent right now,
certainly at least forty percent of the voting population. The
answers are are well, they just they Miriol Bowser had support,

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universal support in this city. She won amongst all racests.
So I don't think that they will be against a
candidate on the basis of race. Not in the not
in the district. Not in the district. Now. You can't
be too black. Now. If you get to be in
too black, it's a problem.

Speaker 1 (02:28:12):
Right now, tweeta says, are we as a people going
to accept the responsibility to take charge of our self, family, community,
and destiny. It's on us to save us and and
make no excuses. So he said, basically, it says it's
on us to make any change that we want your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:28:29):
Well, that's true, but it's also on us to make
any political change. We can't the changes we won't, but
we're talking here about political change and about about putting
people in office that that control massive amounts of resources
and finance that can that we're due to make that change,

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you see, because because because they when when when you
when you're paying those taxes out your out your federal
taxes and state taxes and store taxes, and you're financing
the District of Columbia or you're financing Maryland, and you
have an obligation to do something for self, to be
politically aware and involved and to put people in office

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and to hold him accountable into and to also make
political structures that are strong in our community. And so
that's something that we do lack. We lack strong political
structures in the community and organizations that could could throw
our leverage around. But that could change that could change

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in the course of this mayorial race. I know the
political I want to give a shout out too. I
want to stopping and give a shout out to sister
Ronda Hamilton. Sister Ronda Hamilton is one of the candidates
and the mayorial race, and I know she's fighting hard
and I know she cares about our people, and so
I want to throw I want to give a thumbs

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up to her and be on the lookout. Y'all not
have heard of Roder Hamilton, but but she is. She's
a powerful little bulldozer that is going to be coming
in shaking up things in this race. And so, uh,
you've got to be politically and gotta be politically involved
and and and you know, the best kind of politics

(02:30:21):
is black nationalist politics. To be clear on this broadcast,
in my judgment, got.

Speaker 1 (02:30:27):
You that's all right there because we'll get to Priscilla
in the moment. But Thomas and Baltimore has a question
for ash on line four, Grand rising, Thomas mal Shabaz.

Speaker 11 (02:30:38):
Grand Rising, Brother Quay and song Lake and brother uh
lacom Salon. First, I want to say long live Chairman
Fred Hampton. As we're coming on the eave of their
planned assassination on our brothers, and I remember of our
SOLDI uh. I want to say, I think I have

(02:31:01):
to beg the difference with you. I think we have
to prepare ourselves for the first white mayor. It would
be nice if Robert White was the mayor. I mean
that with that last name is kind of hard for me.
But he seemed to be the only one who has
been in opposition of the mayor throughout I guess say

(02:31:21):
the last five years exactly. He's talking about how they're
trying to curfew our children to death. He spoke on
that not just recently, and that curfew is not gonna
work without a plan. Now, I want to ask you
this brother, because this has been the liptmus test, and
I don't give a damn if I'm leading the crusade

(02:31:41):
on this radio station. In the last month or so,
we've been asking and I've been putting this question out
here as a liptmus test, and I got to ask
you this brother, with love and respect, how do you
feel with this going on in Venzeuela right now, and
this devil planning this water to take these people resource
is in Nigeria and Venzeuela. Where do you stand on

(02:32:04):
our young people born in the military. We need to
hear where you stand. And that's all I ask.

Speaker 4 (02:32:13):
Okay, well, I appreciate that that's an easy question. I'll
go to the first one first, or I still I
honor you know, and I'm glad to divide with you
on the radio broadcasts here. I don't believe that a
white mayor can be elected in the district of Columbia

(02:32:34):
because they will not get Black people will not go
for that in the district. I mean, I don't care
who it is. It could be Bill Clinton on the
saxophone and he will not get more than twenty percent
of the black vote in the district of Columbia. And so,
and I don't even think that there's a real need
for it. The point that I'm making that if you know,

(02:32:57):
if it's white, people can get this across through black
elected officials, so they don't have to have a white person.
But we could differ on that. Uh, there's no question
if you come to about the United States imperialist military
intervention into Venezuela. Uh, that's strongly condemned that I just

(02:33:22):
want to say that it's it's the Malik Shabbaz, Black
Lawyers for Justice, the Black Panther Movement, the Afro Descendant
Nation on behalf of the Honorable Silence Muhammad representing the
Afro Descendants in the sphere in the strongest terms, we
repudiate and denounce the United States government action under President

(02:33:46):
Donald Trump's wicked, vicious, illegal, unlawful uh murder of of
of of persons in the Western hemisphere. Uh just killing
people outright shooting and murdering people with not an inkling
of judicial justice. I mean, it's barbaric, it's bull it's illegal,

(02:34:11):
and I could go on and on about that. Brother.
I am firmly I am Malik Shabbaz firmly against United
States imperialism, United States bombing and killing people and carrying
out these policies under its backwards Monroe doctrine in the
year twenty twenty five in terms of Nigeria and threatening

(02:34:32):
to attack and violate the sovereignty of Nigeria. I think
that that's more wickedness we should not Alloway, we should
be loud and clear that we will not tolerate or
that we will not I guess yeah, that we won't.
The bombing of our of our mother because we're loud

(02:34:54):
cadaffity to be assassinated. And certainly, while we recognize there's
problems and with Boko Haram and and the Muslim Christian
situation in Nigeria and the Sa Hill and Northern Africa,
we definitely are not supporting attack on Africa, Donald Trump.
We don't. We don't support an attack on Maduro. They're

(02:35:16):
trying to kidnap Maduro like they did, Uh, like they
did Manuel Noriega. I don't I don't know if he's
into the dope like Noriega. I believe that they lying
on Maduro. And either way you slice it. Uh, they
after somebody's oil and resources and and they're playing the
bully game in the Caribbean. It's it's not good and

(02:35:41):
it's nasty, and I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (02:35:44):
All right. Fourteen the top. Let's Chilla telling Malik, Will
you introduces her to the audience.

Speaker 4 (02:35:52):
Oh okay, right back here at home, we have a
true freedom fighter now here on the line, a true
chainampion for justice and and one that that will and
make a difference.

Speaker 1 (02:36:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:36:06):
She's running for the United States, centering in the state
of Mississippi. Uh, the state of h of the place
of birth of my parents and grandparents. And he is
a cousin of Immit Till. She comes from the legacy
of Immit Till. All her life, she's been fighting for

(02:36:27):
Immitill and and against all of the conspirators and cover
ups that have faced uh the situation of the murder
of Immitill. Uh. She's she's she's faced opposition, she's she's
faced in justice. She's faced the white supremacists and and
and people are following her around in the in the

(02:36:49):
in the bowels of Mississippi. She stood up against Ranking
County and Brian Bailey, and she stood up against the
goon squad. I mean, do y'all want me to preach
on this line, because I got bad black woman that
is about to come on here, and she is a
serious candidate to win the Democratic primary in March of
twenty twenty six. I'm hoping she coming on right now,

(02:37:12):
the honorable next senator from Mississippi, that's gonna take it
out of Mecca's hands. Sister Priscilla W. Till, cousin of
Emmitt Till.

Speaker 7 (02:37:23):
All right, Hello, can you all hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:37:28):
Yes, ma'am?

Speaker 7 (02:37:30):
Hello, Thank you mister Nelson to allow me on your
show this morning. Thank you, honorable Malis Shabaz. I just
I'm thankful. I want to come on here and let
the people know that I am running for United States
Senator for the state of Mississippi and why voters should
choose me as the representative of the United States senator. See,

(02:37:52):
my accountability has always been to the people and not
political outsider. My real world experiences have equipped me to
be a vocal voice for those that are often overlooked. Now,
we are the poor state in Mississippi, and according to
the Census Bureau, we fall on the privty level. But

(02:38:16):
there are other issues that are more deeming here in
the state of Mississippi that people fail to address and
fail to talk about. And I do believe, mister Niffin,
I can influence the legal system by introducing laws that
help shape legal interpretations that address systemic and justices here
in the state of Mississippi. Now, what Malik was saying

(02:38:39):
about political structure, this is what Mississippi.

Speaker 5 (02:38:43):
Is crying out for.

Speaker 7 (02:38:44):
We no longer want the same politicians in the same
structures because there are so many issues that are happening
in the state of Mississippi right now. That needs to
be addressed immediately, immediately. Every one is willing to talk
about the six hundred and seventy two bodies flying behind

(02:39:05):
the hands rank in jail house, and only two hundred
and fifteen of those bodies have been identified. And when
I say six and seven.

Speaker 1 (02:39:15):
Hold on the second, Sister Priscilla, Priscilla, hold on the second.
This is interesting, but we've got to take a quick break.
When we come back, please expound on that, because it
is the first time I'm hearing that family just checking us.
Eighteen minutes after the top of the Sister Priscilla Williams
till Is joined us from Mississippi. She's running for the
US Senate in that state. Also with US Attorney Malie
Shabaze's got questions, three of them. Reach out to us

(02:39:37):
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six. Will take your phone calls next and grand
rising family, and thanks for sticking with us on this
Tuesday morning. Twenty one minutes after the top of there,
or the attorney Malie Shabazz, he's the founder of the
Black Lawyers for Justice in ball along this morning, Sister
Priscilla Williams Till. She's a relative of Emmitt Till. She's
running for the US Senate seat in Mississippi. Home state

(02:39:58):
of Mississippi. Before we left for the break, a sister, Priscilla,
you'll tell us about some bodies behind a jail? Can
you expound on that for us?

Speaker 7 (02:40:05):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir. We had just found in twenty
twenty three, Miss Bernstein Wade was looking for her son
and for six months they could not tell her where
her son was. And when they did find her son,
her son was placed in a proper grade at the
Hines County Jail in Ramon, Mississippi. He was numbered six

(02:40:28):
hundred and seventy two, and while his body was being exhumed,
two more bodies, six hundred and seventy five bodies were
eventually placed behind the Hines County ram In Jail in Mississippi,
unidentified bodies. No one has yet come forward to find

(02:40:48):
out who these bodies belonged to as far as the families,
and we have no idea, but I feel like this
is something hidden, a hidden situation here in the state
of Missississippi. These are issues that deemed to be discussed investigator.
And we have just in July seventy two people arrested

(02:41:12):
with many people being found as far as human trafficking
sex crime out of the state of Mississippi. July twenty
twenty five, that did not make news. We just had
a vast police officers arrested, up to eight to thirteen
police officers arrested. No one is talking about that. We

(02:41:32):
have two hundred and sixty seven law enforcement agencies right
now here in the state of Mississippi. Only ninety one
are reporting racial hate crimes, hate crimes, racial incidents, women
calling in for domestic violence. We have white people are
reaching out to us, white men.

Speaker 5 (02:41:53):
Reaching out to us.

Speaker 7 (02:41:54):
Because what's happening is no one is willing to address
the i supremacist issues that are going here, that are
trying to control the narrative here in the state of Mississippi.
This is what I'm fighting against. Yes, my platform focuses
on economic justice and racial equity, infrastructure and environmental justice,

(02:42:18):
health care assets and ensuring universal health care. We can
possibly get it to the people within the state of Mississippi.
But we have an issue going on right now here
in the state of Mississippi because we have no idea
what is going on when it comes to crimes of
racial injustice here. Like I said, you got ninety one
police departments are reported out of two hundred and sixty

(02:42:41):
seven incidents or two hundred and sixty seven law enforcement
agencies here that are not reported. So we need some
boots on the ground. We need federal investigations and to
the police departments here in the state of Mississippi right now.
This is what my cry is. And when people tell me,

(02:43:03):
they look at the fact that I am the relative
of Mamie Till. Oh you're running on the name of
tell no. If you know my background, I'm a sociology teacher.
I have been a project coordinator in the community healthcare
feel I have also been on the Heines County Human
Resource Agency board that oversaw seventy seven million dollars where

(02:43:24):
we give back to the community here in Hines County.
But people tend to say, oh Till but they don't
want to talk about my opponent, Miss Heine Smith, who
her first One of her first lives she introduced was
duck hunting season that would last to the end of
January thirty first. But see, you see how the difference
it is where you okay, they're okay to want her,

(02:43:50):
the same lady that made the statement that if she
could be invited to a public hanging, she'd sit on
the front row. But with me being the cousin of
Emmy Till, I'm not supposed to come out and talk
about the issues that are plaguing us here in the
state of Mississippi when it comes to crimes a racial injustice.
You tell me what is going on in our counties

(02:44:11):
right now when we don't have broadband access to internet.
That's we don't know what's going on in these counties
right now. And then we have the president come twenty
twenty six, he's dismantling these agencies that do help with
crimes are racial injustice. So I'm definitely that person that's

(02:44:32):
willing to fight, that's willing to introduce and create laws
and bring it to legislation on investigating and restructuring the
police departments, police reform.

Speaker 1 (02:44:43):
So that's what to ask you this, Priscilla. Let me
ask you this, though there's a lot of hapathy in
the black community, not even the black man in the
country when it comes to voting. Folks are not going
to the polls. What are you gonna say, What are
you gonna get to motivate them to go and cast
their ballots? What are you tell them?

Speaker 7 (02:45:02):
My theory is go door to door, introduce myself and
tell them about the policies, the platform excuse me, the
platforms that I am bringing to these people to the
state of Mississippi. As far as the young people giving back,
telling the young people that hey, look, we can promote

(02:45:23):
career development centers to these young people because not all
young people are interested in going to to to four
year university. So apprenticeship mentorship programs in high schools that
would give them towards progress and success right or partnerships
with local businesses pay the internships, transportation vouss for these

(02:45:43):
young people to get to jobs to job training. So
I think that is very important. We need a mass
voter registration drive and that is grassroots going to door
to door. And I think it'll be very vital for
me to go out into the community because, like I said,
with me being the relative of Mitia, I have many

(02:46:04):
white races that have come out saying we're gonna make
sure don't get behind her, don't support her. That's because
I have been an advocate. I have the enmity of
Justice for Families Foundation here in Mississippi. I have always
went after lynching cases here. Crimes are racial injustice here,
in justice situations here. While I have been vocal and

(02:46:26):
the people don't like that, I have researched how many
racist organizations we still have here in the state of Mississippi,
and a lot of them are sheriffs in these rural counties.
They don't want me as the next United States Senator
because what I will bring, what I will expose, and
the money that I will make sure coming to the
state of Mississippi, and the accountability and transparency will be shown. Period.

(02:46:51):
So I'm asking the voters and the people that are listening, yes,
I am someone they should get behind as support one
hundred and ten percent, because now it's the time for change.
It is time because people, anytime you have a United
States Senator is talking about introducing laws about duck hunting
season to the end of January thirty first, but I'm

(02:47:13):
not allowed to bring up the six hundred and seventy
two unidentified bodies here in the state right now in
Hines County, Jackson, Mississippi. That's a problem. They don't want
to talk about the seventy two people arrested for such
human trafficking here just in July. You don't want to
talk about those issues. But this is Mississippi is a

(02:47:34):
hot bed for what is going on in Washington, d C.
This is the problem. They're calling Mississippi the little Washington
d C. And that's because no one is willing to
come out challenge what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (02:47:49):
I'm not there here, a sister, Priscilla. Yeah, let me
hear thirty. Let me ask you this question. Those bodies
that were found at the behind us Hins County, I
guess the jail where they mostly black bodies or were
they're all kinds.

Speaker 7 (02:48:06):
Yes, ma'am, yes, sir, mostly black bodies, mostly black bodies.
And what happened. Department of Justice then intervening and they
allowed up to two hundred and fifteen bodies to be identified,
and they stopped it. They stopped it. They no longer
allowed them to continue to identify the rest of the

(02:48:27):
six hundred and seventy five bodies. So you have two
fifteen that they did identify and they left them on
the rest of them.

Speaker 1 (02:48:35):
So, yeah, but on those people, those people, those bodies
that they've They've got relatives of people saying, you know,
my son or my uncle or my dad disappeared. Are
you hearing those stories to collaborate.

Speaker 4 (02:48:48):
You, sir?

Speaker 7 (02:48:49):
And this is the craziest thing, mister Nelson in my
inbox on Facebook, Fred Chamberlain's another young man who's fighting
alongside me. Others. We are getting so many email I
mean inboxes, emails reaching out to please help me. This
is going on. I'm missing this person here in Mississippi.

(02:49:13):
But what happens is the media, the media is ciser
not to report this. Do you hear me? So it's
verify to me, tooth and nail. They're making sure that
I'm not heard. I even call for a press company.
When we talked about it's not benefits not being released
to shut down, No one came from the media. They
didn't want to hear me. They don't want this out.

(02:49:36):
So this is what's important. This is how change happens
when you allow this information to go out here, and
you allowed the government at the top to say, hey,
look what's going on in the state of Mississippi because
they don't want that to happen. Anytime you had again,
United States Senator James o'eastland intervene in the Emmittial trial.

(02:49:58):
The United States Senator now nineteen fifty five intervening Emmitia's trial,
who also was over the Judiciary Committee in Washington, d C.
During this time that slashed every civil rights bill law
that had come across his desk. But this man here
in Mississippi comes to Immitil trial. Bring Emitil daddy's records

(02:50:21):
to the trial that helped acquit JW. Milom and Rob Bryant.
This is what we're dealing with with Mississippi today. From
nineteen fifty five all the way to twenty twenty five.
The same people that allowed Mitill murderers to go free
are the same people running Washington, d C. And let's

(02:50:42):
not talk about the wirelfare fried. The wirelfare money that
was stolen. You want to come after Shuckwey Lamond, former
marriage shuckway Lamoma, Jody Owns, Angelique Lee, Aaron Banks, these
five black people that so happened supposed to Ben and
Uh and bye with taking money Brian five thousand dollars, okay,

(02:51:04):
But you have Phil Brand the form of governor. You
have Nation new who owned the school. You have Brett Farb,
a pro football player. Every last one of them stole
over millions of dollars from out of the miles of
women and families, but none of them were ever take
in the media like they did with Subway. Every banks

(02:51:27):
Jody on that they would be sentenced, that they will
go to jail, that they will go to trial. So
I'm leading that if they bring former mayor Jody Ons,
Ajemick Lee and these others to a trial, we're gonna protest,
and I'm gonna be leading because there's no way you
don't bring the former governor, then fish the attorney general.

Speaker 1 (02:51:48):
Right then hold up right here, old facila, hold that
thing right there, because a tournament league wants to ask
you a question real quick. He's twenty seven minutes away
from the top of them. You're right, brother, She's on fire.

Speaker 4 (02:52:00):
But ahead, Well, look, I know we gotta go to
a break, but we gotta look y'all. Are y'all are
listening to the kind of political candidate that we need
to put into the United States Senate? You you are
hearing the authenticity and the passion of somebody that that
knows our struggle come from our struggle and that we

(02:52:22):
can get behind and that and that won't sell us out.
And you and you feel the passion. Is she gonna win?
All she got to do is campaign and she's a
guaranteed winner. All she got to do is campaign and
we and we're making sure that. So I think you
gotta go.

Speaker 1 (02:52:37):
To a break before we go to break, Yeah, before.

Speaker 4 (02:52:42):
You kill y'all are listening to y'all are listening to
Priscilla W. Till, the next United States Senator from Mississippi.
And not only is she gonna represent Mississippi, don't represent
all of us, and she's gonna shake up this country.

Speaker 1 (02:52:57):
Hu Shay, before we go to break. Slash calling from
Detroit wants to speak through it. He's on line three,
Grand Rising sly On with Priscilla Williams Till.

Speaker 12 (02:53:06):
Grand Rising Uh, Brother Carl and Ministership Baz and Madam Till. Yes, sir,
my question, my question for you, Madam Till. I have
a very close friend. He lives in Hattiesburg and he's
what they he's what they call a returning citizen. I'm

(02:53:28):
going to do everything I can here in Detroit to
throw support your your direction. But it's but what is
it that you can do, because now that he's paid
his dues, he's not allowed to vote. And I and
and I believe in Mississippi as well as other states,

(02:53:50):
once you paid paid your dues, you should be able
to vote.

Speaker 7 (02:53:55):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir. And there should bellows that look
into that. I know they have a first time offenders
program where they're allowed to vote, but it depends on
the charge of the crime and how many times a
person has been in the system for them to allow

(02:54:18):
them to vote. Now, change is coming, but I will
be a part of the legislation to allow their change
to come.

Speaker 12 (02:54:26):
Okay, fair enough, I'll be I just looked up your
Facebook page. I'll be trying to do everything I can.
Like I said, to throw support your way and keep
in touch.

Speaker 7 (02:54:42):
My website is till till T I L L the
number four you and sent it twenty twenty six dot com.
Please donate reach out to me again. That's till TI
L The number four you as Senate is e A

(02:55:03):
I mean, is E N A t E twenty twenty
six dot com? T you four you is Senate twenty
six dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:55:11):
All right, got it, and good luck Okay, thanks a lot,
and how on fellas we take a quick break here.
Listen you all right, let's the and he thanks you.
We're gonna take the break when we come back. I
know Larry North Carolina wants to talk to you as
well as Turning Belik has another question for your family.
YouTube can join our conversation with Priscilla Williams Till. She's
running for the US Senate in Mississippi. Reach us at

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eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls next on this Tuesday morning,
second day of December. I guess it's a Turning League Chabal.
She's brought along with her sister, Priscilla Williams Tills. She's
a relative of Emmett Till and she's running for the
US Senate in Mississippi. Before we left the break, I
told you that Larry and North Carolina has a question
for Pricila. He's on line four at Grand Rising. Larry

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a question for Priscilla Till.

Speaker 11 (02:55:58):
Oh, yes, Grand Rising.

Speaker 4 (02:56:00):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (02:56:01):
This is the type of sister we leave a sister
soldier on Capitol Hill. Sister, we love your spirit. I
want to ask you, where do you stand on trade schools?
And where do you stand on reparations? And before you
answer that to Malik, she didn't answer the question. Brother,

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we asked you should black people join the US military?

Speaker 7 (02:56:31):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (02:56:32):
Right in the US? Okay, Well, I'm gonna get back
to that. I'm gonna let her have the floor right now,
I get back to that. Let me just let her
have this. Let me just say one thing. If y'all
want to contribute or donate, she gave the website, but
here's a number we're gonna coordinate. If y'all like what
you're hearing, you can text two O two three six

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nine nine nine eight six two O two three six
nine nine nine eight six if you want to support
the till campaign for US Senate. So what I'm gonna
do is I come back to that, but I'll let
her have the floor and I'll answer that at the end.

Speaker 7 (02:57:09):
Okay, Okay, thank you for asking that question. Like I said,
I'm a teacher and to sit and listen to my students.
I know majority a lot of them do. They do
not want to go to a too or four year college.
So definitely workforce training programs, career development centers. Trade school

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would definitely be a musk and that's what Mississippi does
not have enough of, and that is one of my
policies while planning a law that I do want to
introduce is job creation and workforce training development at least
and increasing the living minimum wage because that definitely will

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start with the success of our young people and to
keep them from moving out of the state of Missisis
because there's not enough program and they're not paying them,
so they're leaving here because we don't have enough trade schools,
career technical schools.

Speaker 13 (02:58:10):
And these jobs paid, these skills paid.

Speaker 5 (02:58:15):
Above minimum wage.

Speaker 7 (02:58:17):
So yes, I'm definitely in support of trade school, career
development training, career technical schools. And to answer your question
on reparations, Maimie Kid was here in two thousand and two,
eight months before she died, talking about reparations here starting
in the state of Mississippi, and the reparations included supporting

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giving back to the black communities through education, receiving their
land back or at least helping those that lost land
get that land back, and money especially to the victims
of slaves and those were lynched. That's what made me

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till was here in Mississippi doing in two thousand and two.
So yes, I do support reparations.

Speaker 1 (02:59:16):
All right, turn Malik, you want to respond to this question.

Speaker 4 (02:59:22):
I don't want to mix into the senators. Uh I
come back. I heard this point. He want to know
whether I support that black person going into the United
States military. So I want to at the end, I don't.
I don't want to. I don't want to jump in.
I don't want to jump in the middle of Miss
Till's part. I got I see what's going with it,

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and I tell I'll say that for the.

Speaker 1 (02:59:46):
End, okay, because I think she wants to respond, go
ahead for sure.

Speaker 7 (02:59:51):
And I also want to bring up before we left,
we were talking about the warfare frar here in Mississippi.
And let me be clear. You all know that the
Department of Human Services is a public assistant program that
is placed to support families and individuals well beings in communities.

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When the governor, the ex governor Nascy New, the pro
football player John Davis, who went to grad school with me,
created a network to steal millions of dollars from the
Department of Human Services. And now one time have they

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been brought to court. Even the Attorney General Lenn Fitch,
who was the accountant during this time when this money
was being sold, the financial person. So this is what
I'm saying to you. They went after the local black
leaders here in the state of Mississippi city of jack

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target to them, talking about they took ten thousand dollars here,
ten thousand dollars there, then they equate to fifty thousand dollars.
But you got these people that sit in these positions
of power that has taken money out of the mouth
of individuals who need this support, and these moneys have
been given by the government. So you tell me where's

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the outcry? And I'm gonna tell you why it's so important.
I sat on the grand jury and wrote and was
the secretary on the grand jury when I wrote in
each charge for these people of this war fir fod
So you tell me how easy it is for this
state to tell me that they're coming for former mayor

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chugwey Lamorea Da Jodie Owns, Angelique Lee Aaron Banks. But
you out had now one time brought charges that I
wrote in during the grand jury that we true been
So what counter farce is this? So this is what

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I'm telling you the hypocrisy that we are living here
in Mississippi, and then no longer we'll go down like
that because I'm willing and I will expose each and
every corrush that comes my way. It is a reason
whether the Lord allowed me to sit on the Grandeur,
I was chosen during that time to bring at this hypocrisy.

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You want to come for them, but you don't want
to go for this millions of dollars. And then you
still have a pro football player, Bret Fare that still
has not paid back, but they allow him. You all
listen to me, they allow him to pay this money back.
He still is short of not paying this money back.

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But Shad White, I will state auditor who when after
these people are no longer going after the former governor,
Nason k New, Brent fob John Davis her Son, They're
not wronger going after them. But they're talking about bringing
Chug Ray, Jodie owns As, the League and the banks,
these others to trial. No shirt, no, ma'am, that will

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not happen under our watch here in the state of
Mississippi unless you're gonna be fairy. Just don't talk about
coming for one not going for the other when these
over here has taken millions of dollars versus you talking
about peanuts right here, and I'm talking about the justice,
the fairness of period. And then now Shad White, the auditor,

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when we just found out that. Ever then he didn't
realize that the former governor Brian phil Brown was a
part of this wordfare a scoundal. So he laid back.
Now he's going after the one hundred Black Men organization,
He's going after the fraternities, the sororities. So you tell

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me what is the hypocrisy of what's going on in
the state of Mississippi. So when you shine light on
these issues, then we'll make changes. Changes is due. So
and I'm not gonna want to talk about that. Let's
talk about the voting the voting election system here in
the state. Each month, in the state of Mississippi, on

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a Monday, the first Monday of each month, they purge
voters from the voter rolls, active voters from the voter
roll You tell me how in January twenty twenty five,
in Harrison County you have over just secrete instant one
hundred and fifty eight thousand people on the active voter

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roll and then here I talked with twenty twenty five,
seven thousand people been purged. That doesn't make sense. So
when I go and ask them, how do you have
you start out with one hundred and fifty eight thousand people,
and now I talk with twenty twenty five, not ten months,
seven thousand people have been persed. It doesn't make sense

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for one county. So what I'm yet the people not
just here in the Mississippi, but this is something going
on throughout the states. I know right now my campaign
manager and our research there right now is they're doing
this now in twenty five states. They're going to these
states there are apart your voters from the active voter rolls,

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and if you're not paying attention, I believe that this
is how they're winning these these dese seats. So people,
I'm telling you from the state of Mississippi, go make
sure you're looking at your name, looking at the people
that they are are extent well excluding or cutting from
the voter rolls. To make sure that your name is

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not excluded from the voter when it's time to vote
here in Mississippi. Like I said, if we look at
the numbers and see what's happening in each county, and
there's eighty two counties. Now I'm doing investigation till we
are actually looking at from January twenty twenty five to
November twenty twenty five, how many people within your county
has been excluded out those active voter roles. Because this

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is serious and this is how they are winning these
elections with these vogus numbers that are going on with
these votes at these voting elections offices.

Speaker 1 (03:06:14):
Let me just jump in here until a fifth because
you mentioned Antour Lamumba, who was the mayor of Jackson,
Mississippian priv to you guys, come down, sister Shashana from Detroit.
That's her nephew. She's the brother of his father involved
in the Republic of New Africa. So those of you
who could connected ducts sister, yes, sir, she was all

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right before you guys.

Speaker 7 (03:06:38):
I just want to mention that, yes, sir, and I
just think that very unfair and that's something that should
be looked into.

Speaker 4 (03:06:46):
All right.

Speaker 1 (03:06:47):
And and you say that Brett fob still hasn't paid
that money. It's still see my National TV. And he
owners to the state of Mississippi. Millions of dollars.

Speaker 7 (03:06:54):
Yes, no, sir, he has not paid all that money.
And that's the problem.

Speaker 4 (03:07:00):
What's the problem.

Speaker 7 (03:07:01):
They're not talking about that, So they shouldn't be talking
about Chuck Wade, Jody on nobody else because if they're
not gonna go after the million dollars heist, they need
to leave him alone. That's what I'm saying. If you're
gonna be fair and just do your due diligence and
do it right, do it right.

Speaker 1 (03:07:23):
All right, go ahead, counselor.

Speaker 4 (03:07:26):
All right. I know we're getting ready to close out again.
If heal. The website is TILL the number four yous
Senate twenty twenty six dot org, Am I right, come,
dot com, dot com, dot the number four kill the

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number four US spent it twenty twenty six dot com.
That's the website. And here who were listening around this
country text two O two three six nine nine nine
eight six. If you want to help and we need
some money, Black Lawyers for Justices are going to give

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us thousand dollars this week to the TIL campaign, and
I'm urging y'all to match me. If you like what
you heard and you want this candidate did this the
kind of candidate warning the US Senate, I don't care
where you call it from text two oh two three
six nine eight six. So we can get some most
campaign signs and posters because this campaign is going to

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the tops. And so I do want to stay on
that last note. Brother was asking me do I recommend that?
I think he's saying, what do I recommend that a
black person joined the US military? So I think brother's
pressing me. I think I've already if I've given you
my answer that that what the military is doing in

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the world right now and has done is not righteous,
and it's against human rights, and it's a violation of
other nations sovereignty, then it logically follows that I, personally,
this is me personally talking that I'm a league Zulusha Bass,
cannot give such recommendation for any of our people to

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join that force. That's what I want to say. I
cannot give such recommendation to join that force. But I
also want to say to every black military veteran that
is on this line and to other brothers who still
may go into the armed forces for other reasons. They

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may go in there for education, or that may go
in there for military training or people that I do
know that have already gone through the military veterans. I
want to say that some of these men are extremely
valuable and they've been extremely valuable part of our movement.
I'm on here with Momo Ajabu all the time. He's

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a Vietnam veteran, and what the lessons that he learned
in Vietnam Now that he is the key member of
the Black Panther movement that has benefited us immentally. If
you go to the hue P, if you go to
any other grassroots organization, the hue P Newton Gun Club
and others in the Black Self Defense movement, there's a

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substantial amount of black military veterans, graduates of Marines and
the Army that are that are bringing some good, solid
training and so so so so those that have gone
and gotten some education and gotten some military training and
can bring it back to the Black community and and
have not been brainwashed, then I'm than those are my brothers.

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I respected to Tuskegee Airmen and the Black Panther Tank
Corps that fought and and I'm disrespect no black veteran,
and I still say that that what this military doing
right now under Donald Trump is is and that's why
I'm on here with a candidate that I know is
gonna stand up for human rights when they get in

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the office. Okay, appreciate your time. Appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (03:11:11):
All right, thank you, Thank you, Attorney Maleik, and thank
you Priscilla, and good luck on your race. And keep
us in the loop though, let us know how it's
working out for you.

Speaker 3 (03:11:20):
All right.

Speaker 6 (03:11:20):
Family, that's it.

Speaker 1 (03:11:21):
For the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also
in the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL.

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