Attorney Malik Shabazz, Dr. Marsha Adebayo & Charles Barron

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for kickstarting your Monday.
Who wills this Monday morning? Later, the founder of the
Black Lawyers for Justice, who will check into our classroom.
Attorney Malik Shabas will report on the lawsuits he's filed
on behalf of doctor Colin Muhammad's estate. Now several entities
are accused of using doctor College's likeness images and even
some of his speeches. With our permission, Attorney Malik will

(00:21):
also introduce us to Priscilla Till. She's a relative Emmitt
Till and she's also running for the US Senate. Before
Attorney Malink, Though, Sister Marshall will update us on the
fight to save a black cemetery in Bethesda, Maryland. Amma Charlie,
a former New York lawmaker Charles Brown will check in.
But let's get Kevin opened the classroom doors on this
Monday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin, Grand.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson. Happy Monday Morning. It's the twenty
ninth of September and the time continues to move on.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
How do you feel in brother, I'm still learning, Kevin.
I'm just in this perpetual learning mode.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
And that's the key to opening the Carl Nelson Show.
Universe is the fact that you're perpetually learning, and the
other side of learning is teaching. So you know you're
you're teaching every day and we're proud of you.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm just I'm just opening the classroom doors like you
and sit there. I've got a front row seats to
all these scholars that we have on for years. So
that's all it is. It is lovely. I'm not I'm
not as smart as any of them. I wouldn't even
try to be on the same level as some of
these brothers and sisters that we've had. Man, It's just
amazing how much knowledge is out there.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, and fact checking is fun too.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
But oh yeah, you know, speaking about fact checking, Kevin,
you know, back in the day before we had Google,
when we have Steve Cochley and did Gregory Drop and
Mark well, mostly they got information from mar from Manheim,
but uh, the fact checking Steve Coley did some. Hell,
it was a hell of a researcher, man, I mean
Cochley did some just wondering where he got all thishmation from,

(02:00):
but he knew how to get it, and old Mark
helped him out of quite a bit with that.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh you mean go into a library and pull up
the bibliography.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Now, they had other ways of getting information. They have
people who leaked the information to the Let me just
put it that way. Yeah, we're talking about some top
secret stuff here.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh yeah, that's right. When you're talking about Mark from
manahem and those guys. Yeah, they're checking various sources, pulling
up the AP reports and perhaps.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Nah they go deep. Lot, there's a lot deeper that
we're talking about some government a lot of classified reports.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh, actually looking at file folders and oh yeah with
the flashlight in their mouth like on television.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Right. There's a lot of intelligence units around. You know,
people just think that, you know, the intelligence units are
the FBI and the CIO or m I six or
am I five for the bridge. But no, there's a
lot of a lot of entities, a lot of lawnforces
and the other legal these have they have. You know,
they have intense people who do a lot of re
search and some of them like to pass on information

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to us. So that's why we went.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
There was microfish you know, yea information on that little
slab of film and then you put it in the
in the machine and read it on the screen. You
mean they were using things like that that kind.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Of Actually the more more technical than that, but I'm
thinking bad luck. Oh man, I don't want to get
into it. Really, not on the radio. No, this would
be for the floppy disc are before all that. I'm
just saying, so this is personal folks who were just
like the spooks who sat at the door, were there
when the informations made and passed it on and felt

(03:39):
how people should know this.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Some of the stuff Jay went to night with would
call that smoke signals.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
They had smokes. Hey look good.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Speaking of signals, man, I think the Commanders missed all
the signals yesterday man. And watching the game, you know
me avid Commanders fans, so don't ask a little sports
uh breakdown. But you know, Jaden Daniels of course wasn't
playing and uh Mario had his work cut out for

(04:09):
him yesterday man. And of course then what's his name?
The brother that held out for for the money and
he's he's on the injured list.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Right and the injureds let's It is growing and and
you know it's interesting because we'll see how they play
next week when they play the Chargers. But you know,
speak about football, though, Kevin, we got to talk about
the Ravens. But Baltimore they lost again and and quarterback
Lamar was was injured and he's gonna yeah, he's yeah,
he had a full of hamstring, so he's got a hammy,

(04:44):
so he's going to be out for a while. Started
to watch that game. Man, Yeah, they played Texas next week,
so you know, for a season that started so so
you know, people thought, oh man, this is the year.
I know, Ravens fans are like wow, look kind of
the Commanders fans too, you know, because they expect you
so much. There's a lot of promise, but you know,

(05:05):
it felt it's falling short so far. Maybe they can
recover though and recouped before the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well the back to the Commanders. They had a great
look for a while though, but they finally fell and
it was I think it was like forty forty to
twenty four or something like that. Like you know, if
you're gonna have to fact check me on that. Everything
I'm looking at is talking more about the injuries. But
a thirty four, thirty four to twenty seven, that's it. Yeah,

(05:31):
thirty four, thirty four twenty seven. And so they dropped
to two on the season. Does that mean the Ravens
are two and two as well, or one and two or.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Something like, Yeah, they're in the deficit as well. I'm
not quite sure. You know, it might be one and
three with.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
It and three right right, because this was the fourth
game of the season, so you know, hey, somebody from Baltimore,
let us know what's happening. Meanwhile, the government shut down
threat deepens as Capitol Hill digs in. President Donald Trump
and the congressional Republicans believe there is only one way
to avert a shut down at midnight tomorrow, the Senate

(06:08):
Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer rather has to change his mind.
So the GOP leaders still need critical votes from Schumer
and his party to sign any funding bill into law,
and for now, neither side is backing down. So they're
trying to blame it all on Chuck Schumer, who saved
the day last time, but now he seems to have

(06:28):
a different attitude about all of that.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
But what do you think is there a chance? Well, well,
you know, they're blaming each other. It's it's been politicized,
and that's the sad part of it, because the Democrats
are trying to pull back and get some more funding
for health issues in the bill, which the Republicans have
cut out, and so they're holding out and trying to
convince some of these recouncilors and Republicans don't understand that,

(06:52):
you know, America doesn't have health coverage like they do
on Capitol Hill. Most Americas need that extra coverage. But
there it's falling on deaf ears because the Republicans all
march into the drum of one Donald Trump or whatever
he says that he wants. They're going to do it,
so we may see, you know, and then if not,
Kevin he'll come through. And he says, I saved the

(07:14):
day again, it was me, you know, I worked it out.
I'm the only one who could solve the problem. So
watch for that too as well.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
And with the base firmly behind them, Schumer and the
Democrats refusing to support the GOP's funding extension without major
policy concessions from President Trump, including billions of dollars to
help make Obamacare more affordable. So that's always been an argument.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
He's another wrinkle too, the Democratic a Democratic winner nominee,
I should say, from from Phoenix, from Arizona area. One
of the election a runoff election, and so far they
haven't sworn her in because she would tip the balance.
And this is interesting. And when a turn, the malikship
boss comes and he's going to produce us to one

(08:02):
of Emma Till's relatives who's running for the Senate in
Mississippi and looks good, and that would tip the balance
too at the Senate level. So we've got to keep
our eyes on both of those because we're talking about
Epstein fires. Now with with that, with the Senate issue,
because the Republicans won't budget on that. Few of nog
say all of them, but three or four of the
Republicans females and the Republican Party siding with the Democrats

(08:24):
and asking for the full disclosure of Epstein fire. So
we'll see how that works out.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
And that's part of this whole shutdown argument is uh,
you know, the exposure of the Epstein fire.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
No Epstein's that's that's that's that's with the Senate so far,
with that's this total with the Senate because they're the
voting they have the Republicans have an edge in voting.
You asked the Republicans, why don't you want all the
files released, you know, why don't you know, just full disclosure,
just let it out, you know. But that's that's on
that level. But on the on the on on the

(08:55):
shutting down of the House. Now the federal all the
federal employees will be and some of them have to
still have to work, Kevin, that's another. They're not going
to get paid like TSA people at the airports, they
have to show up. They call essential workers, so they
know they're not going to pay get paid, but they
got to show up. How many of them will show
up or how many of them will call in sick,
we don't know because it might get crazy. So you know,

(09:16):
folks don't like people working for free these days.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
And word on the street is that they may be
layoffs along women to shut down.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, that's the threat that the Republicans that Donald Trump
is three. If they shut down the garment, he's going
to lay them off. So you know, he's hoping that
we'll they will. With their jobs on the line and
got bills and mortgages and they've got school notes to
pay and all that, and car notes, they'll put pressure
on their elected officials, the Democratic elected officials, to acquiesce

(09:46):
to what he's asking for. So that's that's a threat.
That's a tactic that the Republicans are using.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, as the late great Walter cron Kink would say,
that's the way it is on this Monday, the twenty
ninth of September. I'm right, we've got attorney barons at
Thanks for your time, Carl.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Thanks Kevin, all right, ten, I have the tough Charles Barron,
grand Rising brother, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh, Bran Rising is always great to be on. And
I tell my Mary Kevin, I'm not an attorneys. Yeah,
I'm a law maker, but not an attorney. But good morning.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Good to him, all right, and Charles, before we talk
about a slash, car, I got to get your response,
of course, to Eric Adams stepping down. You know, we
we knew it was coming. We saw he had a
meeting with with net and Yahoo. Well uh, and this
was Friday before or after some time when net y'all
was in the city speaking at the un Were you

(10:41):
surprised that the step because we all know he was
going to step down, it's just a matter of wind.
Were you surprised that now is at the time he
decided to drop out well, not at all.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
In my position, you should have never stepped in. He's
the worst mayor that we've had since Rudolph Giuliani, even
though he always cites some of the wonderful things he's done.
But Eric Adams was an embarrassment. Eric Adams I've known
for forty years. Eric Adams is a narcissistic, self selfish.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Conservative, closet Republican or not so much in the closet Republican.
His policies were similar to Juliani's policies. He brought back
Giuliani's street crime unit, stopping frisk Us after it was disbanded.
He was against no cans ball for people like Calice Brauder,

(11:38):
who was accused of stealing a backpack and spent two
three years on rikers out because he couldn't afford to
be a bail and wound up killing himself.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
When he came out, he was he cut five percent
from all the city agencies, all our services when we
had a surplus in the budget, not a deficit.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
A surplus. And I can go on and on about
all the horrible things he's done. But Eric Adams, I
knew he was going to drop out. I mean, you
pulling less than ten percent of eight nine percent. You
behind Curtis Sleeve, who's pathetic, but you can't even meet him,

(12:23):
and there's no way he was going to stay in.
I was surprised that he something happened. Remember that press
conference he had by himself at Gracie Mansion when everybody
was saying he was stepping down, he was stepping down.
He had a solo press conference by himself with one
person at his side, and started off slamming Andrew Cromo,

(12:49):
another corrupt you know, a person slamming Cromo. And I
was wondering, why did he start his press conference off
slamming Governor Cromo saying he was the worst thing and
either this and that, and in Gracie Mansion by himself
in the garden with one person. I mean, I would

(13:09):
think that if you wanted to convince people that you're
not dropping out, you still have a viable candidacy, that
you would have an on the steps the city Hall
with two three hundred people and clergy unions all your
supporters to show it to me it was a temper
tantrum press conference. Because what I believe happened is Chromo.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Doublecrossed him and was able to get the billionaires to
abandon him and come Chromo's way. So he was angry
because now he couldn't raise the money. Secondly, he didn't
get at that time what he wanted from Trump evidently
to drop out, because he wanted certain things, and I

(13:54):
think it just fell through.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
So now the time you dump out at this point,
that doesn't make any sense because your value is less,
your negotiating value is less, because it's getting so bad
that even if you do drop out. Mcdani seemed like
he could win a one on one with Clomo.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, let me join here for a second, though, the
Charles because he met with Netan Yahoo and mondanias he
says he's leading the race, and Mondania's has told net
Yah if he comes to New York City, he's going
to be have him arrested. And I think, then, do
you think, just you know, hypothetically that since Eric Adams
has got to net and Yahoo and told him listen,

(14:38):
you know you hey, if mondonni wis you're going to
be should be your last trip to New York City?
Do you think something went down? Because right after that,
that's when he decided to make his announcement that he
was dropping out of the race after I.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Don't think that was a fact. I think he was
dropping out. He just had to find the right time
to drop out. He's an embarrassment. He met with Yahoo
when he went to Israel. Anybody that's still tight. Him
and Haken Jeffreys are two embarrassments. They both both are
very fond of one of the Donald Trump of the

(15:10):
Middle East, Benjamin Nett and Yahoo. You see, you know
all the people walked out of the U N I
mean he had empty seats when he was making his
un presentation. Folks just walk out, and people are getting
so sick of him that they're talking about supplying troops
and everything to defend whatever's left of the Gaza of Gaza.

(15:32):
So no, I don't think that was a factor.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I think.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Eric always him and Haken. You know, they were the
Yamaki's more than they do a Koofi support in Africa.
They so sold us out so much to the APAC
and the Jewish lobby, and they're just traders of our people.
They're really horrible. So I don't think that was a factor.
I think it got to the point where he saw, hey, look,

(16:01):
I can do one or two things. Either something happened,
we have some deal finally came through, and Trump and
take care of him after he finished this term, and
he might they might see him in a Washington position
or something in the Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Right, I hold the throw right there, Charles, We're gonna
step aside to take our first back. When we come back, though,
let's let's get into and talk about a Sadasha cour
something more positive. Family. You two can join our conversation
with at Charles Barron from New York City. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
to seventy six, and we take all of your phone calls.
Next and Grant Rising family, thanks for waking up with
us on this Monday morning. Nineteen minutes. Off the top

(16:44):
of that, we have former New York lawmaker Charles Barron
with us this morning. And Charles, let's talk about it.
Sadasha corp. Your thoughts on her passing.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Well, you know, do you have the statement that I
cent you? Are you able to play that?

Speaker 1 (16:58):
No, I wasn't able to play, but maybe you can
just tell you can just read a references.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, I thought I should cor man our hearts are heavy,
you know, at this point this was a beautiful sis.
I never got a chance to actually meet her, but
I did when we went to Cuba and Asa and
I we got a chance to speak the pro phone,
and she was so concerned about us more than herself, saying,
you know, we don't let people know that you even

(17:25):
talking to me. I don't want you all to get
in trouble. And this is how a lot of our
political prisoners are. When I went and met with Matulusa Koba,
my son Jiwanza, he same thing was concerned about us
and a black people and a movement. Same thing with
Herman Bell and j Little Monticum, all the political prisons,

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but a side of especial and that you know, everybody
said that she was painted us some revolutionary terrorists, when
in fact she was a victim of America's terrorism. And
she definitely she ain't even like the panthers to be
cussing too much. That's how much of a sensitive she was.

(18:11):
And so that that day on the turnpike in nineteen
seventy three and Asada was they were stopped. The sidaw
was stopped by a police offer them and because their
tail lights they claimed another stopping harassment. They didn't even
know it was in the car because they stopped them

(18:34):
and said, you know, you had a broken tail light
and some nonsense they made up, and basically what happened.
There was an exchange of conversation and then the next
thing we know, Asada was shot and wounded. Zaide Secure
who was her comrade and Struggle was killed. And soon

(18:59):
after Koli had been stopped and they were all you know,
detained and had a faulty headline. Anyway, then counsel left
Asada critically wounded, and a state trooper died. Weren't a
forester and they, you know, a lot of people feel

(19:19):
that he died from friendly fire. They killed the police
killed him.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
And next thing I know, Asada, you know, is eventually
captured and he won so many trials. They charged her
with so many things over the years. He won all
of these cases and then she was liberated. She was
liberated from prison. And I'm so glad of that that

(19:45):
she was liberated from prison. And we are eternally grateful
to say kul Binga Sundiata Kolie and of.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Course of Commandante, the leader of Cuban Revolution. See the
Castle for taking them in an asylum and allowing Cuba
to be a home.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
And you know, this is what I'm so angry about
our black elected officiants Obama. Under Obama, you know, they
had another million dollars to him to her capture.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
You know, and to under Obama, and many members of
the Black Congressional Caucus voted for some resolution and some
Cuban law or whatever, a piece of legislation that called
for them to return Assada as a part of normalizing

(20:42):
relationship with Cuba. Even the Congressional Black Caucus voted for
stuff like that. So Asada was a revolutionary, She loved
her people, She was dedicated to our liberation.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Let me you man, ask you this question, though, Charles,
because the youngsters probably don't know about the Black Liberation Army.
They know about the Black Panthers because they lasted longer.
When did she transition from being a panther to members
of the BLA Well, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
They came after at one point in the seventies, you know,
all of the panthers were pursued. They were having a
lot of shootouts with the police department, and it got
to a point where all panthers, particularly those in leadership,
those of us who was you know, I'm selling papers
and I wasn't really known or anything like that. I

(21:34):
lived on the Lower East Side of Manhattan in the
projects called the Lillian Wall Housing Development, and Mark Holder
and Tony Martin, two panthers, used to come down and
sell their papers, and I would argue and debait with
them until they told me, why don't you just come
up to Harlem and see what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
And that's where I met a fainty Chirico and all
of them, and they were beating children, breakfast and all
of that. Another joint, the Hollow Brands. But I signed
up and I would bring my papers and do my
work on the Lower East Side with Felipe Louisiana and
the young Lords.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
But at some.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Point when they changed that law and Sacramento, California, and
they you know, with a cabbage state, and they tried
they changed the law. That's when little Bobby Hutt and
Bobby feel and all of them went to the Sacramento
legislature when they were changing the gun law so that
they couldn't carry weapons. Well, after that point, you've seen

(22:35):
a lot of the shootouts with the police and the Panthers.
So the police were dedicated with the co Intel program,
the counterintelligence program of the FBI, and they had infiltrated
the Black Panther Party and some of the agents were
calling on actions, you know, with Panthers and setting them
up to be shot and killed. So it got to

(22:57):
a point where it was so hot that some of
the Black Panther said, We're not going to stay on
the circus. When when when Jay Agehoova declared that the
Black Panther Party was the greatest threat to the internal
security of the United States of America and they should
be neutralized, which means eliminated, which means killed. So at

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that point, some Panthers say, well, we're not going to
sit at our houses like sitting ducks and have these
folk come on and you know, take our lives like that.
So some one underground and became the Black Liberation Army,
and some still stayed above and they got into shootouts
with the police. But remember the Black Panther Party was

(23:43):
originally called the Black Panther Party for self defense. It
wasn't about going around, you know, killing police officers. As
a matter of fact, they started off in nineteen sixty
six in Oakland, California, around.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
A street of traffic light.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
There was a traffic so many accidents on the corner
of this block in Oakland that the Black panther said,
we want a traffic light to stop the accidents. Well,
you know I know this because I'm in government. It
could take you two three years to get a traffic light.
They take a year to study whether he really needed

(24:19):
another year to go through the process of the panthers said, well,
you know what, we're gonna get our guns and we're
gonna go out there and we're going to monitor the
traffic ourselves. So that's when they went and they monitor
the traffic and they got their traffic light right away.
And then the Black Panther party said, no, you cannot

(24:40):
keep brutalizing us, you know, so they patrol the police
with weapons. They here week Newton knew the law, so
he stayed twenty five feet away when the officers were
in there doing their duty arrest and the black person.
But when the officers approached black person, the Black Panther party,

(25:02):
they were in their patrol car patrolling. The police officers
jumped out of the car with their weapons and they
had a right to carry weapons. It was a Carrie state.
So they told the police officer, you can arrest them,
but you cannot brutalize them. You can't beat them up.
And they shocked the police and shocked the nation. They

(25:25):
followed the brother or sister down to the priests and
bailed them out and they joined the party.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
So they went on and on them. Before you know it,
they were feeding children breakfast. This caused the states. They
were showing the purpose of the free breakfast program, in
addition to feeding our children who were going to school hungry,
is to show our people the contradictions of a capitalist
society that's the richest in the world, yet they can't

(25:51):
even see your children's breakfast. This caused the twenty some
odd states that didn't have free breakfast programs in the system.
The Panthers did that. They had about.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Forty about forty health community health clinics, free healthcare and
forty cities forty states across the country, and they had
survival packages. They said, you know what, it's getting too
crazy with all of the police shootouts with the Panthers
and the police. We got to show our people we're

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not about shooting it out with the police. Were about revolution, yes,
radical change and dismantling the capitalist system, but we want
to make sure you get the basic necessities in life.
So they had survival, who had food, clothing, everything, giving
out to our people. This is with Asada and a
faintye who I knew very well, a faint Shakor and

(26:46):
a new Tupac and sex to her children, a fainting
and joe Ane Chessamond at that time, but she became
a Sada Chakor, a fainty Hicord that had the secour family.
And also there was a sister named Joan Bird that
nobody knows, was brutalized horribly by the police. A black

(27:10):
Panther system. So Asada comes out of that tradition and
they had to go underground or they've been murdered above ground.
So they declared war on the Panthers, and the Panthers
decided they would defend themselves by any means necessary.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Let me ask you this though, I mean to share
this with you. You know, during the days of the
Black Liberation Army, remember they shot two cops on the
Lower east Side, Manhattan's Lower east Side, Uh what their names?
One of the Italian one was Black Foster and Laurie right. Well,
I was in college with his sister at the time,

(27:47):
you know, on the camp on campus. You know, the
black students were all in favor of the Black Liberation Army.
She she was really upset about that. But the other
thing I want to share with you is that when
I and I started working at w l I be
in Harlem, the Black Liberation Army would always anytime they
wanted to reach out people that they'd come to the
radio station early in the morning. I don't know what time,

(28:08):
but they're delivery right there at the door. You could
you know, there's some gay stay you could just push
it a letter through. They say, tell this to our folks,
what was going on? And Walter Cronkott would always on
the news. He would always say in a communicate to
a black radio station in Harlem, the black you know.
So we were watching all that, so we had sort
of a bird's eye view of what was going on

(28:28):
when all this was going on. But my question to
you is, though, why did the Cuban government after never Fall,
they never gave in all these presidents you had you
mentioned Obamber as well, all of the presidents you had
since she she made it to Cuba and they part
of the embargo was they would want to Cuba to trade,
give them a side of court, and the Cubans wouldn't
give it up, give her up.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Why because the Cubans were authentic revolutionaries. Fidel Castro Tae Cavada.
They had their conflicts, but and been people are authentic revolutionaries.
Not only did they not give up a sadder, they
would be no Angola without the Cuban soldiers going there

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to fight for the liberation of Angola. They didn't succeed
in the Congo, but they went to fight and support
Patrice Lamumba and deal with the Congo. If Castros and
Cuba was exporting revolution and supporting black revolutionaries and African

(29:30):
revolutionaries all over the world. When I went to Cuba, myself,
me and Arnez, they had their International Medical School.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
My I was shocked.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm talking to the students and then two students say, hey,
counselman varn how are you you know we live in
East New York. Two students from East New York who
was in the medical school and all they had to
do was learn Spanish and they got a free tuition,
free education to become a doctor. And one of the

(30:08):
commitments they had to make is to come back to
their communities and serve their communities and to have free tuition.
So Cashier was.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Always committed to worldwide revolution. He wasn't about to give
up a revolutionary and put her in the imperial pigs cages.
And this is what I'm so grateful for few and
the Cuban people because Asada, she had an adominant spirits,

(30:39):
African warrior spirits. He had a powerful, powerful black panther courage.
She was motivated, as Jacob ever said, not by hate,
not by violence, not by terrorism, but by love, the
undying love for our people. So, you know, Peterel Castro, man,

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you gotta love Cuba, you gotta love Fiedale, you gotta
love what they've done for our people. And even before
they kept.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Usider revolutionary, weren't there hughe done there? You know, stokely
comic revolutionaries used to visit, you know, Cuba, and they
had a thing called remember the bench, so Remo's brigade.
They had people went to Cuba to help cut the
sugar cane. And so it was it was a very

(31:29):
very close relationship that Castro had when he came to
New York. Remember he met with Malcolm h He said,
I'm not staying at some pompass bourgeois hotel in Manhattan.
He studied at the Teresa Hotel, and him and Malcolm
met Muhammad Ali and the people of Harlem. So Cuba.

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We have a close affection and love for the people
of Cuba, and particularly loved, as we say, El Comandante,
the honovill Fidel cat Stroke.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, but they were, Yeah, but they were under enormous
pressure to release her, and then you know they probably
the embargo would have dropped. They had better relationships with
the United States, and here they should stead fallship behind
this black women. I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, I'm
trying to figure out how did that? How did they
compute that? Because you've got your whole country, who could

(32:22):
do better? If all you gotta do is turn over
and the United States will pay you as well, just
to turn her over. And the Cubans didn't buckle.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Oh, they didn't bunckle at all, because they principled revolutionary.
They weren't fake revolutionary. They weren't There's no way they
would have turned Asana over. First of all, there's no
belief that even if they did that, that they would,
you know, no longer be under an embargo. They just
didn't believe that anyway. But and I'm glad you're saying

(32:54):
it like that, because.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
That is awesome.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
If just think it is, and you'll see that it
was easy to do that. You sending your soldiers around
the world to die, and you have your own struggle
in your country, why would they send a workers to Grenada.
I went to Grenada, I saw the Cuban workers. I
met Bionavu, Maurice Bishop. I brought seventeen young people from

(33:22):
the House of Lord Church under leadership of Reben Daughtry,
and they saw the Cuban workers working on the airport
and putting their.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Lives on the line. They put their lives on the
line in that Gola. Cuban soldiers are dying all over
the world, and the Cuban government is given technical assistance
and doctors and engineers to developing countries around the world.
It was easy for them to keep us outa because

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that was their commitment. It's a phenomenal commitment because a
lot of us don't understand love her whole.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That thought, right, there, Charles Barron, we gotta step aside
and get caught up with the latest news, trafficing weather
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trafficing weather that's next and Grand Rising family. Thanks for
waking up with us on this Monday morning. I guess
this former New York lawmaker Charles Barron talking about Asna

(34:23):
shit Court. Before we go back to Charles, let's just
remind you come up later this morning. We're going to
speak with the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice,
the attorney of Lead Shabbas. He's got some lawsuits filed
against it for the family or the estate actually of
doctor Colin Muhammad. Some folks have been using these likeness
images and some of these speeches without permission. He's also
going to introduce us to Priscilla Till. She's a part

(34:43):
of the Emmit Till family and she's running for the
US Senate. But it's more than that as well. He'll explain. Also,
we're going to Before we get to the attorney, though,
Sister Marsha Abbadeo will give us an update on the
fight to save a black cemetery forthest in Maryland. And
later this week you're going to hear from a clinical
psychologist psychiatrist, their doctor Jeremy Fox, also public Enemy is
a Professor Griffild Joiners, a realistic and naturalpatic doctor. Doctor

(35:06):
A will also be here. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure to keep your radar lot t in tight
on ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV
family right FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen
fifty WL Charles, before I take on the call, fee,
you know, the head of the Chicago Teachers Union said
something very about Asada. She they saluted Usada, you know,

(35:27):
in a debt. Yeah, and they getting a lot of
heat for it. I mean, Sister's been on here before
talking about the school system in the Windy City, but
I'm talking about the Chicago Teachers Union. They aren't Asada Shakur,
you know, saying just saying nice things about her, and
they've been on the siege. Maga's going after them with

(35:48):
guns blazing.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Your reaction then, and you know what's amazing about that
when the FBI went after Asada and they had her
picture on the most wanted list, as you know, joined
Tessamon doing Johanne Deborah Tessimond.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
You know all of those trials that she was accused
of being a bank robber, a murderer. She was acquitted
in all of those trials. And they even had the
nerve they wanted Assada so bad from Cuba. As you
keep mentioning, why did they do it? Do you know
they had hope John Paul the Second to use the

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occasion of his first trip to Cuba the pressure Fidel
to extradite Asada.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
And they still wouldn't do it. New Jersey Governor Christy
Todd Whitman offered a fifty thousand dollars reward, later doubled
and tripled by Obama and Congress, and they still didn't
do it. So in an open letter to the Pope,
Asada asked the question that she concern all of us,
as it says in an Autobioghy quote, why I wonder

(36:57):
do I want such attention? What do I represent that
is such a threat? See even the whole Black Panther movement?
What was the threat a Black Panther Party. They simply
wanted their children to be able to eat breakfast. They
wanted us to have health care, They wanted us to

(37:18):
have a deal. If you look at the ten point
program of the Black Panther Party, every person listening to
my voice on this radio showing yours would agree with
all ten points. Everything was talking about fair housing, full employment,
and to police brutality. We want land, food and shelter

(37:38):
and clothing, healthcare, everything fundamental and the first eating of
the Black Panther Party and the tenpoint program, we want
the power to determine the destiny of our beloved black
communities and the pressed communities, and we want control over
all of the institutions.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
In our community that govern our lives. This is what
the Black Panther Party was all about. What was the
big threat of that? And so that's what we got
to ask ourselves these questions.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Why did they go after Angela Davis like that? Why
did they turn an eighteen year old brother, Jonathan Jackson,
George Jackson's brother into a revolutionary and wanting to free
his brother. All the revolutionaries that I've known, these are
brothers and sisters motivate maade it by love, even the

(38:34):
Attica uprising in nineteen seventy one after they killed George
Jackson Adika, what were they asking for? They just say,
free all of us, let us all out and get
us a plane and take us to Cuba or whatever
they wanted, fair, humane treatment, food, healthcare, Stop beating us up,
stop solitary confinement, fundamental things.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Let me come here and ask you this though, because
you raised the clockey are twelve away from the top down.
Do we know how a side of got to Cuba? Charles, No,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
I know the brothers, you know, liberated her, and if
they didn't know, they probably would offer that information. But no,
I don't know that plus and at all.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, you think maybe somebody who knows now now the
game's over, would tell us some of the details how
she got to Cuba. Maybe not, maybe not.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
You never know what methods might still be needed to use,
you know, in the future. But I don't know. I
have no idea, and I think most people don't. And
if they did it, I don't know if they would tell.
But just this last piece on us side of this
is a quote from her Black Revolutionaries do not drop
from the moon.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
We are created by our conditions, shaped by our oppression.
In the long run, the people are our only appeal,
the only ones who can free us as ourselves.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Let me just get jumping and ask, he said, because
she was born in Queens and you know, a fairly
middle class family, and she grew I grew up somewhere
in North Carolina. But what was it what turned her around?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Though?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
What radicalized if you will. They're using the other folks terminology.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Well, as I said, I don't know her. I didn't
know her like others, and they probably could better answer
that question. But I know most revolutionaries were trying to
live a decent life, and they ran into colonialism, and
they ran into racism, and they have such a love
for their people that most revolutionaries cannot sit by idly

(40:35):
and see this happening to the masses of black people
in the richest country in the world. The abject poverty,
our children, dying, police off the hook, murdering us, disrespecting us,
and the unemployment, poverty, the homelessness or the houseless, houseless people,
and all of this stuff in the richest country in

(40:56):
the world a major contradiction. And then we love Africa
to see at that time a lot of African countries
were colonized on neo colonialism, sell out Africans running governments
for the West and for the America. The revolutionary has
an undying love for people, and she loved her people.

(41:16):
So it's not easy to see the suffering of your
people and you only just try to survive and try
to do nothing through a deal with that condition that
your people is. We're motivated by love of our people.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Got you not away from the top of Cliff is
calling for us from Connecticut's online one Grand Rising, Cliff,
you are with Charles Barron.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
A grand version brother calfstick about calling grand rising of
brother childs.

Speaker 8 (41:42):
If I may, can I just switch gears for a
minute and talk about New York.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
I'm a little disappointed my good brother brother Eric mayor
Eric Adams has dropped the race. So I know black
folks are happy and laid it now. So now I
guess you have two choices, either made don or you
got como. So word the black community, which one they choose,

(42:07):
who they go for?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I don't know, but you know, good luck New York.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
All right, go ahead, Charles and respond to that, because
I know that some of some of black New Yorkers
are trying to have a meeting with Mondnnie and see
if he has I guess a black agenda if you will.
But responding Cliff's question for.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Us, thanks Eric Adams.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
We shouldn't be displaying him dropping out because him and
Como are corrupt and no good. And the other guy
with red hat running around here told me like the
god in Angel is not even worthy about attention.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
But Zoran Mondani I had worked with him in the Assembly.
We were in the Assembly together. He was progressive on
all the issues. He supported my reparations resolution. We both
voted against budgets that didn't meet the needs of our people.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
So we have an organization that we just formulated, the
Black Solidarity Coalition with the December twelfth movement with doctor
McIntosh and the Friends of SIMOTEP and the Nation of
Islam and Operation Power, our organization, a Malaysha Tellers group
and some Workers for Union, some Union reps, and we

(43:27):
all got together and we said, you know what what
we need more than focusing just on the mayor election,
We need an independent black political movement and be able
to get our people elected to city councils like Anneza
and I did in Eastern New York. So that was
long and long overdue. So we got that going and

(43:50):
most of the coalition said we wanted to support They
wanted to support Zora. You know, we have some critical support.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
We're offering him critical important that yes, we're gonna support him,
We'll be meeting with him. But the bottom line is
that go on. Nobody else is going to do it
for black people. Like Asada said, We've got to do
it for ourselves. He's the only choice in New York.
Eric Adams was corrupt and no good. Clomo is even worse,

(44:19):
and so he was the only choice we had. And
now it's just a matter of presenting the black agenda
with him and understand he's not going to deliver us,
and he's already backtracking on some stuff, and he's got
to be made. He's got to meet with all of
these sellout blacks, and the Democratic Party has to appease
the Jewish community. So a lot of that happens when

(44:41):
you become mayor. We have to more importantly, who is
than who is supporting? From maya is can we finally
build a strong There's two million black people in New York.
Can we book a strong political movement that has the
money and the boots on the ground to get people

(45:01):
elected right now? If you're not with the Democratic Socialists
of America, if you're not with the Working Families Party,
if you're not with the Democratic Party, you don't get elected.
Except what Anz and I did. We had an independent
structure called Operation Power, and we got elected without the
three of those forces. Now we got to do that citywide, statewide,

(45:23):
and nationwide. That's with that stake here, not Mundane who's
going to be the governor. I believe he's going to mayor.
He's going to win, I believe, and we're going to
offer critical support and then after he gets in, he
has to govern. So no matter what a candidate tells
you during election time, you have to build a strong
enough movement to hold them accountable to their words once

(45:47):
they get in, and then they were going to want
to get re elected, So you got time to build
a movement to say, you know, you will not have
our vote again, like some people did with Obama and
other people. But it's time for black, independent, strong blacks,
including black radicals, to build an independent political movement that

(46:09):
can win local feats because you know, it's the state legislatures,
the city legislatures that have the power even over the mayor.
The mayor can't even pass a budget, can't pass a law,
and the mayor all the things Bundani is talking about,
he has to get through the legislation. Free transportation, that's
a state thing. If he wants to get healthcare for everybody,

(46:30):
that's a state thing. If he wants to tax the rich,
that's a state thing. So it's a lot of work
we still have yet to do. But we have no
other option to fight against Trump and to make New
York affordable. He's the only option we have right now.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
How about on a national level, Brother Chiles, would you
be willing to this new black coalition out of New
York support Sister Kevila Harris, can you go.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Hold your response there a cliff. I think we got
to get caught up with a traffic and weather or
in a different city, So I let Charles respond to that.
On the other side, it's four minutes away from the
top day our family. I guess it's Charles Barron, former
New York lawmaker. You got a question for him? Reach
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calls after the trafficking weather update that's next and Grand

(47:21):
Rising Family, thanks for starting your Monday with us. Our
guest is Charles Barron. Charles is a former New York
City City council person also who worked in the Assembly
up in Albany. He's a former lawmaker. Now he's cunning
out on his own along with his wife. And this
morning we're discussing Santa Chicor and also were discussing Eric Adams.
And before we left the break the traffic weather update,
Clifford Connecticut wanted to know if Charles would support a

(47:44):
candidacy of kam La Harris. So Charles, your response.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Well, I would ask Clifford, do you support the genocide,
the given bombs to the State of Israel to murder
innocent Palestinian women and children. Do you support my brother
the Africa Command building military bases in Africa and the
genocide and the Congo and having military bases all over Africa,

(48:13):
the so called fight and terrorism, the terrorists that you fund.
Do you support putting mothers, prosecuting black mothers for the
truancy of their children, if their children are.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Involved in truancy. Do you support the Benjamin net and
Yahoo and that whole thing that's happening in Israel? Do
you support the poverty, the abject poverty in our black
communities twenty thirty forty percent and the richest country in
the world when they have a black president, a black

(48:48):
vice president, Joe Biden. I can go on and on
and mention things that you do not support. I don't
believe you in your heart would support. But that's what
Pamela Harris and Joe Biden and Barack Obama the neo
colonial puppets of a colonial capitalist system that's creating all

(49:10):
of that. So we're building a movement from the bottom
up that is against all of that, that make sure
that we put people.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
In these legislative positions to hold the executives accountable. And no,
I would never support Kamala Harris.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
All right, thank you Charles for your response. Ross Jilma's
checking in from Buffalo. He's online. One Grand Rising Brother,
Ross Jilmoy, You're on with it, Charles.

Speaker 10 (49:34):
Barron, Yeah, Grant Rising, Greens Gramont and Land of Mother,
Evad Brother Childs They just got a couple of quick
questions for you. Question number one, all around America, there
are many states that are supporting reparations. But then you
have an element, uh foundation of Black Americans all those
other ones who are fighting against the totality of harms

(49:58):
done to Africans who they say might not have been
born in America, or just those who are enslaved. Can
you speak against or can you speak about the importance
of if they have an agenda to look out for
black people who are slave in America, they should just
focus on that agenda and not fight everybody else. And
then the second question is did you talk about how

(50:19):
important it is in state elections in city elections to
start selecting candids now that will support legislation that we
need for the future out it's an offline.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Well, yeah, no, thank you very much for that. You know,
we stop that nonsense. In New York. They tried to
bring that to New York.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I am the sponsor of the reparations bill in New York,
and we said that we are an African people. John
Henry Clark said, at best, you're not who you are
based upon where the boats dropped you off. But to
who you are based upon.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
The where the boats picked you up from, where the
ships picked you up from, and they picked us all
up from Africa. So we just believe that we're all
at African people. We are dispersed nation throughout the diaspora.
And whether you're from Jamaica and the Caribbean or the
continental Africa and you came here, or whether or not
you were born here, that reparations should be for people

(51:21):
of African descent, regardless of whether they hear or not.
I mean, that's ridiculous, you know, when you think about it,
what do you care if our pressors gave all of
us reparations? Why are you trying to make it easier
for our presses? And look at they did in California
day They got over in California with that nonsense and
they wind up saying only you know those who are Africans.

(51:46):
And first, even if you lived here, you'd have to
prove that you were, you know, connected to slavery, which
is a few people can do. And so it's just
madness to go around and given your old this is
a chance to create division and conflict and letting them
off the hooks. What do you care if the over

(52:07):
two million some on California, Black California from wherever we are,
got reparations from the richest country in the world. It's
just foolishness, everybody, many of us are suspect of who's
behind all of that. But no, I don't support that
at all, and we need that in addition to having legislation,
as we got passed and you got to watch out

(52:28):
how you get it passed. My original bill on reparations
said that the community should pick the commission, and I
had Ron Daniels in the Institute of the Black World
and Cobra and the December twelfth Movement as the groups
that would pick the commissioner. Well, commission. I got it
passed in the Assembly, was headed to be passed in

(52:50):
the Senate, and then these neo colonial black puppets in
the Senate, James Sanders and Leroy Comery, they went to
the majority leader of the Senate Andreas to a cousin
and said, we want to change Charles's bill to say
that Huckel, the governor who knows nothing, would pick three,

(53:10):
the Senate leader would pick three, and the assembly person
would pick three, and the community would pick none. So
they watered down my bill to that, but at least
we got my bill passed, and they do have a commission.
And to show you why they shouldn't have had those selections,
they've been out for the year that they're supposed to
bring back a report, and they said they're not bringing

(53:33):
it back until twenty twenty seven. This is after next
year's elections. So they didn't even want to interfere with
having a bill out there and the governor not sign
it or whatever. So you know, we have to have
those bills that have teeth. And then the other thing
is that reparations could have been given to us. Barack
Obama could have set up a President's Commission on reparation

(53:57):
and it could have been dealt with it like that.
Black racists and high places doesn't mean black power and
every black faith. Some people are descriptively black. Atlantic Whenea said,
make sure rest in peace. They look like us and
others are authentically black. They committed to us. So reparations
are going to happen through legislation, the litigation, or we're

(54:21):
going to take it to the streets.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
All right, Thank you, Charles, Thank you for sharing your
thoughts this morning. And next time we come back and
let us know if the voter apathy is changing New
York amongst our brothers and sisters in the City of Faith,
because many of them, from what I've heard, is intend
to see that the racing. They don't feel any of
the candidates really represent them. And if you get that
meeting with the Mandani, let us know if he's committed

(54:44):
to a black agenda as well, right away, real quick.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I know you got to go, but we're not putting
all our eggs in no Mondani or anybody else. It's
important that Black people across the country built in the
p the black political movement. Mandani is not going to
deliver no black agenda. That's not his priority.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
We got to make it a priority for the system
and on all levels in the state legislation and the
city council and their executive vance to mayor.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Got it and you're so correct. Thank you again, Charles,
and thank you for being on the front lines.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Man.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
You've been on the front line since the sixth issue
and you haven't changed. You know some people that get
tired and they bow out, but I am your change.
You got your wife running side by side, and you've
got a book out tell us about the book real quick,
because I think folks who want to get into politic
should get a copy of this book.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Yes, you really should get a copy of it. If
you're uncomfortable saying that because it's my book, but you should.
It's called Speaking Tooth to Power and it's a compilation
of about eighty eight on the coles that I've written
since nineteen eighty eight. And it's on reparations, it's on
dynamics of leadership, leadership, that's on revolution, it's on black

(56:00):
radical politics, is on my experiences in the City Council
of State Assembly, and the most important one, how to
beat the machine.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
We beat the spileful machine democratic party machine in the country.
And you can get it only online with Bonds and
Noble online, and then I will give you my email
address and if you want me to come with some books,
because Black Classic Press they are the producers of the book.
They I get it all done and vote from Black

(56:29):
Classic Press, but they don't have print on demand like
other companies, so I do the print on demand with
Bonds and Nobles, so you can get it online. And
if you want me to come to your area with
some books and do some books signing and talking. I
can be reached at Charles Barron c h A r
l E s b A r r O n op

(56:51):
as an operation power at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
It's Charles Barns c h A r l E s
B A r r O n OP at femail dot com.
Thank you so much about that. Appreciations.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
All right, thanks Charles. Thanks all the information of you
laid on us this morning. Thank you for sharing it.
All right, family, let's turn our attention out TENEF the
time out to doctor Marsha how to bail it? Sister
Marsha grand Rising, Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Good morning. How are you.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
We're still learning, sister Marsha, We're still learning. I want
to get some information about this black cemetery in Bethesda,
Maryland every time you come on, and I'll just ask
you to if you could just give us a short
history of where we are today. Have it all started?
Because we always have some new listeners and they was like,
what are they talking about? What's black cemetery in professia.
They're a black cemetery, professa, So bring us up to speed.

(57:43):
How we got to where we are today, Sister Marsha.

Speaker 11 (57:45):
Yeah, it's interesting that you start off the program around
this issue that way, because you're absolutely right. I mean,
most people, and it's intentional, most people do not know that.
This says the Maryland, which is one of the wealthiest
communities in the world, was a major site of of

(58:09):
African kidnapping and murder, rape and destruction of of of
all of that information. And it says in Montgomery County
in particular, the county has made an enormous effort to

(58:29):
erase every trace of of this history. In fact, they're
about to celebrate I think, you know what two hundred
and fifty years what they call revolutionary advancement. I mean,
they've got a committee that's organizing you know, big celebrations

(58:50):
and that says that of Montgomery County to talk about
just what a wonderful county this has been. And in fact,
if you read the literature, you will never know about
the you know, millions of Native indigenous people that were
killed when the Europeans invaded this area. You will never

(59:11):
know about the millions of African people who were kidnapped
and murdered and raped in Montgomery County. So the county
is making you know, I was gonna say valiant but
demonic efforts, quite frankly, just to erase this entire history.
And a part of that erasure is the is the

(59:36):
erasure of a cemetery in the middle of downtown but Esta,
in this business district that contains the bodies of you know,
we think thousands of African people who were murdered. I mean,
let's just be real clear about this. I mean, you know,

(59:57):
Europeans have done their very best to you the words
that hide the horror of what happened throughout the United States.
But slavery is just another.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Word for murder.

Speaker 12 (01:00:12):
That's all it is.

Speaker 11 (01:00:13):
And and it's a word that has been used to
dehumanize African people because instead of talking about, you know,
the people who were murdered, you know, came from Nigeria
or Ghana or Ivory coasts, or they were children, what
they've done is to break that, is to paint this

(01:00:35):
broad brush and just say they were just slaves. Now,
these were human beings who were nationals of their countries
who were kidnapped, brought to the United States and murdered.
To a large extent, That's what happened in Bethesda, and
that's what Montgomery County uh is trying so hard to erase.

(01:00:57):
So now when you come to downtown Bethess, particularly a
road called River Road, you would never know that in
this section of Bethesda, you know, hundreds, perhaps thousands of
people were murdered. What you will see is a whole foods,
a McDonald's, a Caari pair of shop, a veterinarian, and

(01:01:20):
you will not know the underneath those tiles, underneath the
floors of blood of African children. And so the Bethesda
African Cemetery Coalition has spent the last ten years now
exposing the murders and rapes and the kidnappings of the

(01:01:41):
African people that were brought to Bethesda. And when these children,
and they were primarily children, when these young people succumb
to the torture and to the rape, and to the
forced child bearing, and to the exposure to elements and

(01:02:03):
just quite frankly starvation that they experienced on River Road,
their little bodies are thrown into an area of site
that we now call Moses African Cemetery. And this area
of the says that where this cemetery or burial ground

(01:02:25):
is located has been taken over, stolen by both private
as well as public concerns. So two portions of the
cemetery that are still are still in government hands. One
section is owned, or we like to just say stolen,

(01:02:48):
by the Housing Opportunities Commission, the Montgomery County Housing Opportunities Commission,
and that's the commission that provides Section eight housing and
that sort of thing. But they're also landowners, and those
are the ones that go around and sort of, you know,
make make properties available. But they're also a private business

(01:03:12):
concern and that's important for people to know. They re
see their non tax status because they're developers as well
as a government agency. And then the second part of
the government owned part of the cemetery is owned by
the Maryland Regional National Parks and Planning and that part

(01:03:34):
of the cemetery is totally just all of it is desecrated.
The part of the cemetery owned by HOC.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Right, and I'll let throw right there, Systermasha, we're gonna
step asid for a few moments. I'll let you pick
it up from HOC when we get back. Family, you
want to join this conversation with doctor marsha Ada Bail.
She's finding to save a black cemetery and Professor Maryland.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight seventy six take your phone calls next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us.

(01:04:04):
I guess there's doctor Marsha Ada Bail. She's leading a
group that's fighting to save a black cemetery in Bethesda, Maryland.
And Professa is one of the wealthiest sections of our country.
And then that's where the cemetery is and they've paved
over it. And just before she I let her pick
up the story. Just think they would not do this
to any other kind of cemetery, if it's a pet
stammary or Jewish cemetery, at Asian cemetery, they would not

(01:04:25):
do that. But somehow they just don't respect us family.
So this is what sister Marsha has been fighting. So
sister Marshall, I'll let you pick up the story again.

Speaker 11 (01:04:33):
No, no, no, thank you so much for that, because
you know it is incredible that you know, we have
to pinch ourselves at time because.

Speaker 6 (01:04:42):
The level of.

Speaker 11 (01:04:46):
The intensity of the hate towards black people. I mean,
you have to really hate people to do what they're
doing here in Bethesda, and it comes at such a
primordial level that you literally have to, you know, surmise
that they do not believe that we're human, because you
cannot dig up people like this and just take them

(01:05:08):
the landfills, which is what they did in the Posessa situation.
And then, you know, one day I received a phone
call that there were like sixty trucks in front of
the cemetery, and we get over to the cemetery, which
is not very far from from where I live, and
they were literally just digging up every soil, every coffin,

(01:05:31):
every bone and dumping it in the back of dump trucks.
And you know, this is all with a permit from
Montgomery County, Maryland, not Montgomery County, Alabama. Montgomery County, Maryland,
which is supposed to be one of these right democratic
you know counties. I mean, everyone in Montgomery County is

(01:05:53):
a Democrat. It's in power. So this is all happening
under the watchful eyes of the Democratic Party. And we
actually rolled behind the dump trucks all the way to
to a landfilled in Germantown and it was a private landfill,
and we somehow snuck our car in, you know, right

(01:06:14):
behind one of the dump trucks. And we saw it,
and we have videos of them dumping out all of
this material, you know, coffin pieces and and and bones
and funerary objects, and we were taking pictures of all
of this knowing that they were going to call the
police on us, and we only had a very few

(01:06:35):
minutes to accomplish to try to document the atrocity that
was right before our eyes. And they did call the
police on us, but before they called, before the police
got there, we were able to pull out about thirty
funerary objects with our bare hands from from from from

(01:06:55):
what they were taking out of the cemetery. So I mean,
so this this is an intentional, deliberate cover up of
the genocide that these African children faced. They were murdered
on River Road, they were kidnapped, they were murdered, they
were worked to death, they were raped to death, and

(01:07:16):
Montgomery County in the state of Maryland, has never opened
this mouth to even acknowledge that these people exist. It's
just the most anyway. So you asked me about what's
happening on the different sections of the cemetery, and that said,
this is a major cover up of information. So under

(01:07:38):
one section of this cemetery, is which we call PARSA
one seventy five, which is now before a judge, and
we're expecting to get a ruling, hopefully a positive ruling,
any second now. Is a parking lot where they have
encased about anywhere from five hundred to one thousand souls.

(01:08:00):
And that's what Benjamin Crump, attorney Benjamin Crump was tweeting about,
or exing about, I guess last week, saying that there
are five hundred souls under a parking lot in BESESDA.
Now Montgomery County doesn't recognize it, but the courts, now

(01:08:21):
the Maryland Supreme Court, has said that there are five
hundred souls under that parking lot. But not a single
Maryland Democratic Party official has had the courage to open
their mouth and talk about the children that they intentionally
buried under that parking lot. Not Jamie Raskin. We've written

(01:08:42):
to Jamie Raskin so many times asking him for a statement,
because he is sort of the standard bearer for the
Democratic Party. He will not put pen to paper to
talk about what's happening in his district. This is not
someone else's in his district. In Maryland, there's a parking

(01:09:05):
lot with hundreds of African children's bodies underneath the parking lot.
Jamie Raskin, you will not open his mouth, will not
put hid the paper to talk about the Moses African Cemetery. Now,
at some point he wrote like a paragraph that I,
you know, I detest desecration. And we said, but you

(01:09:26):
know that didn't go far enough. You need to talk
about the desecration that's occurring in your district under your eyes,
and he refused to do it. Then there's another part
of the cemetery seven fought one seven seven that's owned
by the Maryland Regional Parks and Planning, and the Maryland

(01:09:48):
Regional Parks and Planning has just allowed the cemetery. At
one point, people were dumping mattresses and toilet paper and
all kinds of things on the cemetery. Can you imagine
if this had been any other people's cemetery except black people,
this would have been another civil war.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
But not in our community.

Speaker 11 (01:10:07):
So they were dumping mattresses and toilet paper and whatever
trash they wanted on top of these children. Now they've
just decided, well, no one cares about this except bACC
So now they've let the weeds and the trees grow up,
and my husband said that the trees are now about
eight to eleven feet tall. You can't even get into

(01:10:29):
it anymore, it is so heavily forested, and if you did,
you'd have to be concerned about wildlife like snakes and
other kinds of wildlife that is now inhabiting this part
of the cemetery. And then of course there's the heartbeat
of Moses Cemetery, where we consider the heartbeat, and that's

(01:10:49):
the part of the cemetery that's right on River Road,
which is the business corridor for Besaysa, Maryland, and that's
what we call Old Moses. This is the area where
where the quote unquote plantations and we don't call them
plantations in bACC We call them what they were. They

(01:11:12):
were death camps. This is where the children who were
kidnapped from Africa came to They came to death camps,
just like the Jewish kids went to death camps in Germany.
Our children went to death camps on River Road and
profess to Maryland. And this is where when they when
their little bodies gave out from being starved and raped

(01:11:36):
and literally you know, worked to death murdered. This is
where their bodies were dumped and we have now you know,
we found amazing documentation. But more importantly, as the developer
was excavating this area, they found hundreds, perhaps thousands of

(01:11:59):
precious bones. And these bones, some of the bones were
assessed by archaeologists, particularly one at Tellson University here in Maryland.
And we now because of our research in MPIA, which
is Mail in Public Information Act, which is like a

(01:12:20):
four year where you can actually read the emails between
certain parties. She's advising the developers, I cannot rule out
that these are humans. Did that stop them? Absolutely not?
And then you have the county executive, Mark Elrich, who

(01:12:42):
is in contact, I would argue, the most famous black
archaeologists in the world, doctor Michael Blakey, who was the
scientific director for the New York Burial Ground Project. So
Mark Alerich is now in contact at that point, this
is twenty twenty, meet with doctor Blakey and he's saying, basically,

(01:13:03):
what should I do? They're finding bones in the cemetery.
Micael advised him to stop all excavation, allow his team
to come in and assess the situation, remove the bones
so that they can be assessed. And what does what
does our county executive do absolutely nothing. So right now,

(01:13:26):
if you drive down River Road, you will see a
huge structure on River Road. It is now an eight
story the frame of an eight story self storage company.
And every day you've got I don't know how many

(01:13:48):
workers putting on you know, the roofing and the side
of the building. And and despite all of our efforts,
going to the Supreme Court, going to court, you know,
begging the Democratic Party in Montgomery County, they are determined
to put up to build, to finish building, i should say,

(01:14:09):
the self storage unit on the bones of these African children.
And the breaking news, Brother Nelson, which I'm so sorry
to tell your listeners this morning, is that there was
an article in The Wash, which is a local newspaper.

(01:14:31):
A very brilliant journalist named Kendall Stanton was somehow able
to get the developers to talk to her, you know,
and it's very difficult to get these people to talk
about these issues, but she did and they told her
and you can read about this in her article it's

(01:14:53):
in the Wash w Ash. They told her that they
had a eventually destroyed all of the remains. And when
we heard that, we were just devastated because it was
through these remains that these African children who were kidnapped

(01:15:18):
and murdered on River Road could have finally told their
story of what happened to them, and we could have
done DNA tests, we could have run genealogical tests to
find out what countries they came from. I mean, if
you've ever gone to the New York Burial Ground Project
and you've been able to see what doctor Blakey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Is able to.

Speaker 11 (01:15:44):
Understand to assess through his research, there is so much
information that can come out of studying the bones the
remains of our ancestors. You know that they die from
bos you did they die from starvation? Did they die
from over work?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
I mean, it's just right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I thought right there at Dr Marsha twenty eight away
from the Tafe, our family just checking in Doctor Marsha
at a Bayo. She's leading the group's finding to save
a black Sammas in Bethesda, Maryland, one of the most
wealthy enclaves in Montgomery County in Maryland, and there was
a black Samter there. Most of the the impressions, in
turn were young girls. But you're saying that now this

(01:16:27):
this legal issue came down what does that do to
your cause?

Speaker 11 (01:16:31):
Well, it probably doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
Well, you know, yes, it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:39):
It makes it more difficult on one level to prove
that that these bones again were human. It makes it
more On the other hand, there is a portion and
like this is an article. Let me just say tell
your listeners that this we found this information through an article.

(01:17:01):
We are still doing our research. We are still hoping,
beyond hope that there's a mistake somewhere, that this is
not true, that this could not have happened, particularly while
we were in front of judges, that someone would do this.
So we're still hoping, and I'm still hoping to come
back to your show and say, oh, you know, she

(01:17:22):
made a mistake and and and they we found some bones.
But that's what she's reporting. In fact, the exact words
that she wrote to me and said, you know, I
have it right here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
She said.

Speaker 11 (01:17:39):
The wording used in our interview was the fragments have
been gotten rid of after multiple rounds of DNA sampling,
that they had been gotten rid of. That's that's that
I'm reading from her email to me. Now, can you
imagine if this had happened to the body of JFK

(01:18:04):
or Lyndon Johnson or any major American that someone just
got rid of them, rid of them. What kind of
language is that to use about human beings that we
got rid of them. So, you know, so we're still

(01:18:25):
in the early stages of research and we're still hoping
beyond hope that you know, some of the fragments, some
of the remains are still still survive this. But that's
the reporting that we have right now that the developer

(01:18:46):
has gotten rid of our ancestors. And so it's a
horrific story. And like I said, these were children, particularly
as even in and a lot of girl children, a
lot of girls who after eighteen oh seven when they

(01:19:06):
closed down with European historians like to call the Transatlantic
slave trade, and this is just an African American human
trafficking trade. The Atlantic Ocean had nothing to do with it.
This was human trafficking period. And these girls after eighteen

(01:19:30):
oh seven when they closed down this you know, trans
this trafficking between the United States and Africa, they started
breeding young African girls so that they could annow since
they didn't have access to as many people coming people
coming in from Africa, they started breeding little African girls.

(01:19:53):
So that they could produce the next generation of labor
for the particular of cotton producing South. The same situation
was occurring here in Pasesta, and we now have one
research example where they were actually renting out a four
year old girl on the weekends, four years old. And

(01:20:17):
so these children, these girl children, they have a right
to tell their story.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Right and hold that thought right there, sister Marsha. We
got to step asund and get caught up with the ladies, news,
traffic and weather out different cities, and I'll let you
tell their story and also tell us now that Ben
Crump is making some observations about it. Will that do
you think that will change the situation, because of course
his name has some cachet. Twenty three minutes away from
the top, they have foundly with doctor Marsha at a

(01:20:44):
bail give us an update on the fight to save
a black cemetery in Befesta, Maryland. What are your thoughts?
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls
after the news, trafficing, weather that's next and grind rising family.
Thanks for starting your week with us. At sixteen minutes
away from the top. They are. I guess this doctor
marsha At that bailed the system. Marshal is leading a
group trying to save this black cemetery bethest and Maryland.

(01:21:06):
Just think about it. It was any other kind of
cemetery that it wouldn't have been overrun, wouldn't be no contractors, there,
wouldn't be paved over. They'd respect the dead, but for
us mm. So this is what the system Marshal has
taken on in her group. Then may turn this now
for more than a decade before we go back to relevancy,
runs you kind of. Later this more, I'm gonna speak
with the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. That
would be a tourney, Malik Shabbaz, Attorney Malik is gonna

(01:21:30):
give us some information on some cases working on, including
one with doctor Colin Muhammad's estate. They soon several enterities
for accused of using doctor College's likeness images, even some
of his speeches without permission. So we're gonna get into that.
Later this week, you're gonna hear from clinical psychologists doctor
Jermy Fox. You know him from his best selling work
book Addicted to White the Oppressed in league with the oppressor,
shame based alliones also public enemies for Professor Griff, Minister

(01:21:54):
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All right, doctor Marshall, I'll let you finish the point
that you may have right before we life for the news.

Speaker 11 (01:22:16):
No, I get you know the point that I was making.
It's just that you know we are now investigating whether
or not this reporting is accurate, and we have no
reason to believe that it's not, but we still have
to carry out our own independent investigation and if it is,
if it is accurate in fact, that the developer has

(01:22:39):
gotten rid of of our ancestors, and I think again,
we asked the community, the police come out and support us.
We demonstrate in front of the cemetery almost every Wednesday,
except when weather conditions don't permit, and we're determined to
make this issue a part of the elections I go

(01:23:00):
in Montgomery County. We're asking every single candidate about their
position on the desecration of African burial grounds on the
on the on, you know, how they can allow quite frankly,
you know, the site of such a sacred site of
these children who were murdered, so you know, so savagely

(01:23:26):
on River Road, how they can just look the other
way while developers, you know, get rid of their remains
or you know, build self storage units on top of
the graves. I mean, it's just, you know, it'sn't it's
it literally is one of the indices of genocide. If

(01:23:48):
you look at the UN in terms of you know,
you know, the warning signs, so to speak, of genocide,
desecration is one of them. Because you know, when society
is designed that they are going to destroy the fact
that you ever existed, which is what it's called history,
then it's not a far step for the next place.

(01:24:11):
It's not a far move for those same societal forces
to actually start physically getting rid of you. And one
of the you know induses obviously is the incarceration of
the male population, which has been going on now for decades.
When you remove mails from society, therefore you reduce, you know,

(01:24:34):
the ability of people to produce themselves in society. That's
another indices of genocide. So even if you're not interested
in the fact that they are destroying our ancestors and
not allowing, you know, the remains of our ancestors to
tell the story of what happened to them and the

(01:24:56):
most vicious system that man has ever divided. And that's
what you know, Americans like to call slavery. We call
it European barbarism. Even if you're not interested in that,
at least you've got to be interested in whether or
not these are signs that black people are really facing
what I consider a genocide. And and and certainly when

(01:25:20):
they start to erase your history, you know, erase human
beings by putting them in in prisons, these are clear
signs that people need to really begin to pay attention
for the living as well as for the dead.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
All right, hold that though, right there, ten away from
the top, I got some folks want to speak with
you at DTR Marsha. Let's start with Kashiba's just the
Kashiba's in Silver Spring, Maryland on line one Grand Rising.
It's just the Kashiba. You're with doctor Marsha at a.

Speaker 13 (01:25:46):
BAIO excellent program. Carl uh there are a couple of
points that I don't really have any real question for her.
But first thing I want to say is I think
this needs to be a national issue. I'm a transplant
from Ohio, and I can assure you that nobody in

(01:26:10):
Ohio is talking about this kind of thing. I've heard.
I've been here for a while and I've heard people
on your show talk about the cemetery on River Road.
I don't even know the location there on Rivercroads where
it is now. The second thing is why not a
person of the staturess is just Oprah. You need a

(01:26:32):
person who really has a voice nationally to talk about
these kinds of things. The African American Museum over there,
you protest in front of a cemetery who goes down
River Road. If you went out there and protests constantly
in front of that African American Museum, you might get

(01:26:54):
some notice. Also, something like YouTube. YouTube is interviewed by
not putting your show down, Carl, But if you were
interviewed by someone who's up on YouTube, then you might
get some clicks. But I think as long as it's
a local issue, and I really respect this woman and

(01:27:18):
her her sincerity comes out in her voice, her passion,
and I can feel it. That's why I was led
to call in. There's so much there, you know, you
almost want to cry listening to her. I think you
can hear it in my voice. But until this becomes
a national issue outside of Montgomery County, oh my goodness,

(01:27:41):
people just you know, they're going about their business, and
who's going down River Road to even watch your protests?
But I admire what you're doing, and I thank you.
I don't know what I can do if there is
anything I going out there and people are turning off
protest right and left, but I appreciate what you're doing,

(01:28:05):
and God bless you.

Speaker 11 (01:28:07):
Thank you so much. I appreciate you. I can I
respond to her, sure, please, yeah, thank you so much
for your comment. I you know, I guess I've devoted
ten years to this now, so's it really is what
I do. Twenty four to seven almost we were so
happy this is when we saw the tweet by Ben Crump,

(01:28:29):
because we realized at that point that the issue has
become national and this is actually the second time that
Attorney Crump has tweeted about most of this African cemetery,
and so we were trying to get that tweet out
as far as we could, because you're absolutely right. I mean,

(01:28:49):
you know, first of all, let me just sort of
thank Carl Nelson because thousands of people, tens of thousands
of people have heard about this issue because of Carl Nelson,
and so we are so grateful for that, because he
is the only broadcaster that has opened up his mic
for this conversation and so on a regular basis. So

(01:29:13):
God bless Carl Nelson. We're so grateful. So when when
Ben Crump also began to tweet, and now we're in
touch with with Attorney Crump's people, we are so we're
so grateful because he is outraged at at at at
the way African people are being treated, and he understands,

(01:29:34):
like I do, this is just a salvel across the bow.
I mean, the powers that be are looking at this
in the same way we if we can get away
with digging up you know, their moms and dads and
their sisters and brothers, and we can get away with
putting their children in prison. I mean, this is all about,
you know, how much tolerance do oppressed people have? And

(01:29:58):
people are watching this to see, Okay, well, what is
the next step, what else can we do to these people?
And so so it's important that we get national attention.
And you know, we've written to a lot of national personalities, celebrities,
and we just have not been able to get people

(01:30:19):
to connect yet. But it could be that once people
realize that they have literally, if it's true, destroyed all
the evidence. To me, that is so insidious and it's evil.
It's evil to do something like that, that we may
be able to entice someone like an Oprah someone else

(01:30:42):
to say something about it. We will continue to try.
But if not, we you know, we will continue to
use all the bully pulpits at our disposal to sound
the alarm about what's happening here in Montgomery County. And
by the way, when you see people like James you
rask in public. When you see people like Mark Alviriche

(01:31:04):
and all these Democrats in Montgomery County, ask them about
Moses African Cemetery and watch their teeth fall out of
their face because no one wants to talk about Moses
African Cemetery because this is not supposed to happen. This
is what Trump is supposed to do. I mean, this
is that's what they're saying, is that he's the one

(01:31:25):
who does these horrible things to black people, not democrats.
But come to Posessa and you will see their handiwork
here in Posessa, Maryland.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Yeah, hold on though, right there, come up on a break.
But and this is one of the reasons why whenever
you come on, I always tell you tell the story
because we all as have new listeners. Some people just
started listening last week, some people started listening today. And
what Kashiba says, if they don't know about Moses Cemetery,
they don't know about the story. So that's why whenever
you come on, I says, please just give us a

(01:31:55):
short and give us a short issue of what's going
on with the semin there and how long you've been
fighting all the obstacles that you've faced because you've been
up there, and some of these guys are trying to
manhandle you. And again when if you go up, this
is the mush. Yeah, but please have some of the
brothers go up. I don't want you go I don't
want them taking advantage of you now, because I, like

(01:32:17):
sister Kaushiba, I feel the pain and I can hear
it through your voice about our ancestors especially you know
these little babies that were raped and tossed into that pit,
if you will, and what they call a cemetery and
our answers is speaking to us and saying what are
you going to do? What are you going to do?
I don't know if they're speaking to you this morning,
but this is every time she's on, they speak to me.

(01:32:37):
So I'm trying to do what I can do, and
this is what I can do. Just bring the information
towards that folks. So hold that thought right there, because
as I mentioned, we've got a step aside for check
the trafficing weather in at different cities, and we still
got some more folks want to talk to you as well.
You want to join this conversation with doctor marsha Ada Bail,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
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(01:32:59):
rising family, and thanks for starting your week with us again.
I guess that right now is doctor marsha Ada Bail.
She's leading a charge of a fight to save a
black cemetery in profess and Maryland. What are your thoughts
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Let's go to line five. Lewis is calling from the
Nation's Capital. He wants to speak to Sister Marshall. Lewis
Grand Rising Marshall.

Speaker 8 (01:33:23):
I hope you don't know a guy approaching by the
first name. No, listen, I've called this show a few times, Carl.
You know that regarding the national issue, I feel that
should be a national issue, that's the cemetery in Bethesda.
I'm kind of perplexed here, and the reason being is, Carl,

(01:33:46):
your show is aired on the radio in the Nation's Capital,
in several other places around the country, and then too,
there are so many constituents of yours as a host
that listen to your show, constituents of yours that are

(01:34:09):
in the same industry listening to your show in regards to.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
So many issues and.

Speaker 8 (01:34:16):
Issues far less than this. Not to say that they're
not important, but I'm shockingly surprised that these particular entities
are not putting out this information regarding the cemetery and Bethesda.
I'm really shocked and surprised. I know that I've mentioned
it to Al Shopton when I called his show up.

(01:34:38):
I mentioned it once or twice, And I don't know
to what level or what media out that Brother Al
is initiating. But I do know that Brother Crump is
associated well with Brother Al Shopton. So my point of
view here, I think would be your show is not hidden.

(01:35:02):
Your show is nationally. People call you from all over
the place. So I don't get why there aren't other entities,
other media entities that we know are listening. Brother Nelson,
we know they're listening. I'm shockingly surprised that they're not
giving their input, such as what's happening in Bethesda. We

(01:35:23):
have a beautiful young lady with you right now, Karl Masha.
She's been dealing with this for how many years? My god?

Speaker 14 (01:35:30):
Come on, and no one.

Speaker 8 (01:35:32):
Else knows about this. What I'm getting at here is
I think they're afraid. They're afraid. Why are they afraid?
Because I live in the nation's capital, kl I know,
but Festa, I know River Road, I know the constituents
that live in these particular zones and territories. They're very wealthy.

(01:35:55):
As a matter of fact, you gotta have money in
order to live in those particular areas. The two eight.
The area, which is that portion of Maryland is very,
very wealthy. First off, Prince George's County is the second
wealthiest and you can quote me on this second wealthiest
county in the nation, and you have Bethesda that has

(01:36:18):
much more almost as Prince George's County. So what I'm
getting at is these consists these territories here that we
are communicating about. There's a lot of famous people, there's
a lot of people well known living in these particular territories.
I don't understand why our governor isn't getting more involved

(01:36:41):
in this, and I think there's a reason. There is
the reason that those constituents that he's communicating with each
and every day, and then we know there's a new
election coming up, they're demanding that this thing be quiet.
This should be nationally known. We're talking about history here,
We're talking about our ancestors here that have been just

(01:37:06):
totally dema god, totally ran over as if they never exist.
I'm shocked that this hasn't made national news yet. And
by the way, Oprah Haines in Washington, d C. Probably
more than anyone I know, and I'm surprised that she
hasn't gotten a hold of this yet, Well let.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Me share this with you. Yeah, Louis, so let me
share this. They do listen to this program, and many
times they steal the guests, you know, because guests come
back to her. Oh you know who call me Wan
on the reil says okay, cool, go for it. They
don't understand that part. There's some of these people that
I know on a personal level. They'll come back and
they'll tell me that, you know, other talks, your hosts
reach out to them. I said, Gopher, that's what we

(01:37:46):
try to do. We don't have all the answers, we
don't have all the listeners. So go on in this show.
Because they asked me if I be concerned, Hell, no,
go on the show and do the show and tell
what you told us, you know. So they do, but
they pick and choose, and you're right, this is not
sexy enough for them to do. Or they may be
concerned that they're may be saying something about saving black
people and Bethesda, Maryland that they may upset some of

(01:38:08):
their followers, or or how it reflects on them. Because
a lot of these people who do these what I do.
They select guests and shows and all that and depending
on how it reflects on them. I'm a journalist, so
it doesn't matter. I don't have a problem and putting
on Christians or Muslims on the radio. Some of them
have a problem. They can't put on a Christian because
they they are against Christianity, they're against Islam. It doesn't

(01:38:28):
matter to me. My thing is that all our people
need to know all the information. We always provide a
smallest board of information for black people. It's not a
reflection on me. The show isn't about me. It's about
us as a people. But those folks who are especially
new to the game Lewis, they think it reflects on them.
If they put on a prostitute, a king, a black

(01:38:50):
panther or something like that, it don't matter. This is
the we come in, all stripes and lives. They don't
want to put on a guy from Haiti. We got
a guy Hight from Haiti coming on tomorrow. Guys from
the Congo. We got people listen all over the world.
But they try to figure out how I do it,
and they try to think, well, if we can pull
some of his great guests, we can, we can, we can,
we can copy it, and we can reach the level

(01:39:11):
that he's got too. And I'm not saying this, you know,
I'm just I'm just being straight with you this morning, family,
because this is what's going on, This is what Lewis
is talking about. But I think again, I think the
issue with Befess the cemetery, the black cemetery, isn't sexy
enough for them. It doesn't have enough, you know it
because it's too much for our people. It's not It
doesn't reflect on them because they're all All they concerned
about is how does he reflect look like me? How

(01:39:34):
does he reflect to me as the host? It doesn't
matter to me.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
But your point is, Rea, brother Nelson, I'm not still there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Sure.

Speaker 8 (01:39:44):
Yeah, what you know as well as I know, and
so does the sister with you, that this is a
reflection on us, whether we want to accept it or not,
Whether we want to accept it or not, it is
part of our heritage. It is part of our history.
So that is certainly a reflection on every single African

(01:40:04):
or African American, if you will, in the world. It's
a reflection on us, whether they want to accept it
or not. Down they need to start getting real with
this because this issue is just it's appalling. It is
just unheard of that our history can be shadowed like

(01:40:26):
this and not even talked about. This is appalling, and
people need to really start helping.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
This, sister.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
They need to get on this, and they need to
make this thing happen. And I'm so glad that it's
in the ports and I'm hoping these judges they rule
on it with the empathy that it really should have
and also the realism that it really should be represented on.
This is serious business and it should not be handled

(01:40:55):
the way it's been handled over these past few years.
And it's only because the most notable people, as the
gentleman said earlier, rasking the most notable people in this territory,
they're not mentioning it because it's political to them. And
that's so sad. It is so sad that this thing
has not exploded already years ago. It should have been truth.

(01:41:19):
You got buildings on top of our ancestors.

Speaker 9 (01:41:22):
A perking lot.

Speaker 8 (01:41:23):
Are you freaking kidding me? Man? I'm getting so angry
over this. There's no way that this should be happening
without people being involved in this. This is a travesty
and it's for those people who are ignoring it that
can do things about it. They should be shamed of themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
I'm sorry, yeah, I understand. I feel your pain, Lewis,
I feel the passion in your voice. But I thank
you because we're running late here. We got at turning
Leage Shabaz on deck, and I want to give doctor
Marsha a chance to respond to some of the things
that you said. Uh, system Martial, I look.

Speaker 11 (01:41:54):
I feel the same way you know. Please give us,
give me a call, get my number from the radio station.
Let's get together and talk. Let's let's fight together, because
I actually think black people are even surprised that more
black people are not saying you are not you are
not digging up my mother, You're not digging up my

(01:42:16):
father to put a self storage unit on top of them.
I think they're even surprised at how passive we've been.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
But you know, I am very surprised. I'll be honest
with you. The energy in the DMV in Baltimore, it's
so much different from New York and LA where I've
been in the radio. I mean, doctor Professor James Smaller
when he was here. They try to do that in
Lower Manhattan. What the brothers do they laid in front
of those bulldoze those tractors say, no, you're not going
to dig up the remains of our folks. I don't

(01:42:45):
see that passion. I don't feel that energy here in
the DMV or Baltimore. Is I'm just being straight and
I'm saying it's better or anything. I'm just just saying
I don't see that same passion that we have and
we have in New York City. The Professor Smaller mentioned,
but go ahead and finish your thought.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:43:00):
For example, we went to a Democratic Party it with
a forum for the new county executive candidates, you know,
and you have these key people who want to be
you know, county executive here, and we had our demonstrations,
we had our signs and everything. We're in the back
of the room demonstrating, and the first thing we do
is we start getting the threats. The master ceremony takes

(01:43:23):
to the microphone. If you demonstrate in this building, if
you demonstrate in this program, we're going to kick you
out of the meeting. We're not going to be able.
This is a Democratic party, not the Republican Party, the
Democratic Party. We're going to kick you out of this meeting.
They brought into security on us, right, and we're just
standing there with our signs. We're not even chanting. All

(01:43:46):
we're doing is standing in there and saying you will
not you will not dig up our ancestors. It won't
happen in our lifetime. And if you do it, we're
going to talk about it. We're going to expose you.
And then they begin to threaten us with security, which
is what happens every time we go anywhere. Right, we
are not threatened, we are not afraid, we are not fearful.

(01:44:10):
We understand that there is a story that must be
told about what happened to people who were kidnapped and
murdered and raped. And this didn't just happen and Besaess.
It happened all over the country. It's just that the
Besessa African Cemetery has taken the position of being the
most vocal organization about this situation.

Speaker 15 (01:44:34):
But you know, but the.

Speaker 11 (01:44:35):
Intimidation is off the chart. Mean, you know how many
times I've told you about being ruffed up by.

Speaker 6 (01:44:40):
Police and.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Listen, I'm gonna let you go for I'll let you
go though, brothers, these sisters are going up there protesting
should not be going up aloon, these these goons, and
that's what I'm gonna call them, even if they look
like those should not be manhandling our sisters for protesting
about a black cemetery to Marsha. Please let us know
when you go and if you get the FOI or

(01:45:04):
we just need some regular brothers on the street who
just just you know, let's just you know, just running
around on the streets and want something to do. Protect
our systems when they go up there, because they're fighting
for you. So give us the information. How can folks
get more information? How can they reach you real quick?

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Ye?

Speaker 11 (01:45:20):
Please? Thank you. So go to our website at BESASDA
African Cemeterycoalition dot net and you'll you'll, you know, you'll
be able to contact us through that. You can contact
me through my own personal email, which is no Fear
Coalition uh in O f E A R Coalition at

(01:45:40):
aol dot com. We'd love to hear from you soldiers.
We need people who are ready to fight, not just talk.
We're ready to fight. And we also have two court
decisions that we're expecting any minute, and so I'd love
to come back. I think we're going to have a victory.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
Car.

Speaker 11 (01:46:00):
I think we're going to have a victory on one
of these. And what's amazing about that is that the
Possessor African Cemetery Coalition is a small community organization and
we are taking on these billion dollar corporations and we
are winning.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Winn, We'll win, and we're gonna win. I asked us
are on our side? They're watching us? You know, answer
us to that. They're watching how we how we react
to this. Okay, so system watching, Carl.

Speaker 11 (01:46:26):
They're fighting with us. Those spirits are fighting with us.
And if we if we tap into that kind of
ancestral spirit, we understand how powerful we are, which is
the reason why these people are trying to shut us down.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Yeah, thank you, Sister Marsha, thank.

Speaker 11 (01:46:44):
You, thank you so much, lovely, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
You and keep us in the loop. Fifteen out of
the top. They're coming to break. Attorney Bleak Shabbaz grand
rising in Islama Lake and my brother, and thank you
for being so patient with us.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Beg your pardon. Good more brother, brother karl An. Sister Marsha,
what was your question, my brother?

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
No, I was just just thanking you for being so
patient with us, because I know you've been holding. But
we just had to get to the Sister Marsha information
out there because she's been out there, you know, for
more than ten years. And what bothers me is not
the fact that he's being usher in our community. We
seems like we this. You know, Lewis from DC mentioned

(01:47:25):
that he was upset just hearing it. When you hear this,
you're upset. Tell them what happened in New York. And
then the fact that they're man handling a sister Marsiaan
and some of the other sisters that go up there,
that's a no no, you know, I'm just I just,
you know, put a call out to the brothers out
there whenever they had gone out there to have a
rally or protest, don't let them put their hands on
our sisters. That's all I'm saying. I just want to

(01:47:46):
see brother brothers in the DMV and you know a
lot of them at Tournament League. They need to step up,
they need to step their game up. Man, this cannot happen.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Well, I would say, I'm sorry to hear that happen
personally to our sisters. I'm happy to hear this. Sister
Marsha and the Coalition is optimistic about the court rulings
that are anticipated to come down. And you know, our
people are under attack everywhere. I mean, there's very few

(01:48:17):
people willing to fight back like her and some of
your other guests. But I'm hoping I'll meet with her
within the next week or so, and I can guarantee
you that nobody's going to personally put their hands on
these sisters. I can tell you that. I can't go
any further than that. I can say that, and I'm
going to work with sister Marsha and the area I live,

(01:48:40):
nobody will be putting their hands on them like that.
And that's that's all I can say on that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
All right, hold up th r d as. I make
sure we got to take a break. When we come back, though,
Let's get into some of the cases that you're working
on and some of the issues you're dealing with. Seventeen minutes.
I have the top down family. I guess he's the
founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. His name is
Attorney Malik Shabas. You want to speak with him, reach
out to us at eight hundred and four or five
year old seventy eight, seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls next and grind rising family. Thanks you starting

(01:49:05):
your week with us. Twenty minutes after the top of that,
our guest attorney Malik Shabazi is the founder of the
Black Lawyers for Justice, and it's going to give usn
update on some of the cases he's working on. So
Attorney Alika, if you want, you can start with doctor
Kalin Muhammad's case. It's this state I should.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Say yeah to the radio in an audience that today
will be talking about the copyright lawsuits that I have
filed on behalf of the estate Muhammad that are currently

(01:49:39):
being in the federal courts of California, about a treat
who online from treat I thought, right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
There a councilor because your phone is going in and out,
it's pipping in and out in the better spot.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Can you hear me better? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
Yeah, that's much better?

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Okay. The case of Collin Muhammad, the copyright cases, the
case of Calvanie Tree White, a mother in Shreveport, Louisiana,
who was arrested merely for having and had her children
taken merely for having a pest control problem in her home.
And then in the top of the hour, we have

(01:50:23):
united States Senate candidate from Mississippi, the candidate for the
twenty twenty twenty sixth in the Senate, Miss Priscilla W. Till,
cousin of Emmitt Till, will be on the line. Okay,
So I want to come back to thank you for
having me on. I want to come back here and
say that on behalf of the family and the legacy

(01:50:47):
estate of Kaleb Mohammad, the legacy estate of the honorable
doctor Khaleb Mohammad, who desires to further cement and promote
his legacy and and his institutions. I represent them, and
we filed lawsuits in the cases of the Public Enemy album.

(01:51:12):
It takes the nations of millions to hold us back.
In the case of Tupac's last album, Don Caluminati, the
Seven Day Theory which under mcavelly, and also D'Angelo and
The Black Messiah, and we had to file suit against
the record labels and the distributors and in some cases

(01:51:35):
the artists himself because the family does have his speeches
like doctor King family had doctor Kalin Muhammad's speeches copyrighted.
And many of you may have heard doctor Collin on
these records, but if you read the record, you never
saw his name, and some of you never knew it

(01:51:56):
was him because he never received credit and and he
never received a compensation, and so we had to put
a stop. We had to put a stop, have to
put a stop to that, a cease and desist, to
stop what's going on and address the past damages here

(01:52:18):
and infringement. So so that that's something that has been
circulating heavily, and and some of you read about it
online and you know there are solid reasons why we're
proceeding forth in that case, all right, and.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
We have I think sister Calvittrini, I'm pronounce your name correctly,
counselor on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Okay, I'll get to her, Okay, So I want to
cap on this. I bring calvan Nietri here on the line.
It's white on the line with missus Jackson, Marquis Jackson.

Speaker 15 (01:52:51):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
I just want to say so when you hear that
we have sued Interscope Records, f JAM Records, UH, when
we've sued Universal Songs and Entertainment, when you hear we've
sued r c A and we've sued Sony, I want
you to know that it's a legitimate cause and it's

(01:53:13):
and it's and it's because doctor Kalin Muhammad and his legacy.
He has to be given credit for what he has done,
credit for what people took from him without his authorization,
and uh and his legacy, his museum, his training centers,
his documentaries, his films, they deserve support as well. And

(01:53:34):
and that's what the family wanted to convey to you.
And that's I want to convey to you. That's what
our federal litigation is about.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Okay, and now we have well before you move on,
Before you move on, the attorney of league, how do
you gauge that though? Would you do you look at
the record sales?

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
How do you you know?

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
How do you do you ask the court to determine
that the whatever you know they should be the estate
should get. How does that? How does that roll out?

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
It grows out in a couple of different ways. A
very good question. If the infringement or what they took
from doctor Kylin Muhammad occurred a long time ago or
some years ago, which in the case of the Nation
of Mellions album Nation of Meanians to Hold Us Back
album that was nineteen eighty nine, Okay, the family copyright

(01:54:24):
occurred in the twenty year, twenty twenty two. Okay, so
therefore you get in that specific case, you are entitled
to the infringements and the damages that come with it
for the past three years of your copyright. Okay in
that case. But in another case, such as the case

(01:54:46):
of D'Angelo, where where the actual estate may may not
have become aware of the violation until they until three
years before the copyright, well then you can get the
damages all the way back to twenty fourteen when that

(01:55:09):
album came out. If anybody heard the album D'Angelo Black Messiah,
it's just long reams of Klin Mohammed speech. I mean,
he just took the whole speech and made the song
and so and so. Copyright law requires that the defendants
turn over their accounting records, turnover the accounting records, and

(01:55:34):
they're doing that right now. But there are many different
ways to look at it. Public Enemy, my honorable brother
Chuck D and Flavor Flav right now, they tour Europe,
they tour all over the world, and they use that
famous line. Have you forgotten that once we were brought here,
we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language,

(01:55:56):
we lost our culture, our religion, our God, and many
of us us by the way we act, we've even
lost our mind. Uh. They performed that all the time,
all overseas, millions being guarned, and we love them for
doing it. But I mean, uh, this is a struggle
that we're in. So so just give Muhammed his respect.

(01:56:18):
That's all we're saying. We don't mind public and and
be performing and making millions, but just just remember the
route and the struggle of where you got it from,
and so we can keep functioning down here in the trenches.
That's all we're saying. So that that's what that that's
that's what it's. That's what it's about. You can get

(01:56:39):
some damages for the last three years and one case
such as that case, but you also have power of injunction.
We have the power through it through a temporary or
permanent injunction, which because we're gonna win the case, uh,
to hold up everything, just because you know, they enemy

(01:57:00):
just got a new thirty fifth anniversary. That album came out,
and all of these albums are legendary. The TUPAC album
is just legendary. They keep on selling. Well. I mean,
we got the power to enjoying all of that. We
got the power to get an injunction and pull all
of it off the shelves, all of it off YouTube,
all of it off Spotify and other venues. So we

(01:57:23):
hope it don't come down to that. We hope it
don't come down to that, and these matters are resolved.
But like any other artist in the industry, like doctor Martin,
Luther King and others, we standing up for our rights
and in this case the rights of one of the
greatest voices and orders of all time, honorable doctor Khaled Muhammad,
which is loved by so many and some of you

(01:57:46):
don't even know you hearing him on these albums until
until these issues are raised. We thank you for supporting us.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
All right, what's going on in street for Louisiana?

Speaker 3 (01:57:59):
Okay, report Louisiana. Do I have Miss Jackson on the line?
All right? And I have a Miss Calvanetree White, and
these are human a very special activist. Miss Jackson has
has come to me on behalf of Miss White and

(01:58:20):
and and helped me to understand some tragic things that happened.
Miss White, who is a loving mother who was had
the police called to her home in a in an
incident that miss uh that that's going to be described
to you. I guess by Miss Jackson had the police

(01:58:41):
called to her home and in the course of them
coming to her home for a family matter, the Shariport
police officer accused accused her of having too many roaches
in her home. There's a pest control problem, and that

(01:59:02):
that she had too many roaches and that and that
having those roaches and uh uh and made that a
criminal offense, that that was actual probable calls to to
to take her liberty away and to take her to
jail and to have child of child enforcement services, child

(01:59:26):
protective services with no previous incidents, it's not tired to
nothing previous with the children, snatched her children away and
lock her up for several days in jail before the
charges were later dropped. When I guess it was found
out how ridiculous this was. So so I'm I'm here
because miss miss White, who's who's on here with us?

(01:59:47):
Now that that that it's it's just it's just too
much to hear that a black mother has been taking
to jail and had her Fourth Amendment, fourteenth Amendments rights
violated for a pest control problem. And then when she
was in jail, it came out that the pest control

(02:00:07):
problem was the apartment management fault. It was not Miss
White's fault, it was the apartment management fault. Who has
a pest control problem? And the documentation pardon me was
produced that she had repeatedly requested pest control services by

(02:00:29):
management who had failed to respond.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Yes, yes, sir, Miss White, tell us what happened.

Speaker 16 (02:00:43):
So basically what happened was they came out to try
to seize with a family matter that was going on.
And what happened was to officer came through. He asked
to make sure that my kids were okay, and when
he came in, he started going through my house. When

(02:01:05):
he came in, he asked me about the pets situation,
to which I responded to him that this apartment complex
had not paid that water bill. They were just new news.
They've been hiding from us, and I've got report for
me to meeting requests to get the issue fixed. And

(02:01:26):
he did not tell me what was going on the
entire duration of the investigation. I didn't even know a
CPS investigation was ongoing. He told me to sit in
his car so I could cool off and he just
came back after Blue and told me that I was
going to jail for three counts a time to glick
and he took.

Speaker 11 (02:01:43):
My phone from me.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
And what was he Where was he explaining the game?
It's sort of difficult to hear what you said. You
said that you would take to jail, What was the
what was the cause? What did they say?

Speaker 16 (02:01:54):
He said because of the pets that were in the apartment,
that I should go to jail for three counts old
child the glick despite he has improved it. I've requested
assistints and did the same apartment complete has ignored it,
did not pay their water by here and did not

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come to see the issues within the apartment, despite requesting
the seasms three times and having any inspection.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
All right, am I Quai Jackson? Your thoughts on what
went down?

Speaker 12 (02:02:29):
Okay? Well, first of all, when I seen the body
camera from the police officer, and I know we were
probably all parents here, and I just crunched to hear
her pray to God. She was praying someone she was
talking trying to trying to get him to understand her situation,
and it just broke in my heart. And so when

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I reached out to her, and I say no, no, no,
no no. There's too many crisis chasers here that would
just surround themselves around crisis without any solution. We are
a crisis management firm. We solve problems in crisis while
protecting dignity and restoring trust and statement reputations. And they
just kmitted her like the worst's parent in Sweetport. I mean,

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it was just horrible, it made made it made news.
Everybody's talking about it on Facebook, social media. And so
I went and I said, no, no, no, we don't
give her a crisis plan. So this is Miss White's
crisis plan in motion. The Mayor's role is clear, just
as mean holding the responsible party accountable, no excuses, no delay.
The police department escalated a non violent call into a

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high style crisis to Miss White and her children. Our
firms stand firm. Damages must be paid, truth must be told,
no more silence and no more harm due to Miss
White her family, And there's many others apartment complex, there's
many others in the city that when these officers come out,
they're they're solely there to escalate a situation and and

(02:03:57):
and take that that little further steps of breaking, breaking
civil rights, but they take those human rights from these
individuals on the daily here in Sweetport.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
That's gonna be the next question. Is she the only
one though that they've the police have used that technique
to to arrest.

Speaker 12 (02:04:17):
I would say an apartment complex, Ms. White, Are you
the only one that's been arrested for this?

Speaker 16 (02:04:25):
It's the all the one basically been arrested for What's
the only one that was arrested for these issues? Everybody
was experienced a science issue and I had made reports
of it to everybody because, like I said, that water
was turned off. Basically, it's just the situation of having
the slong lord as a whole apartment manager. So all

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of us have been living in the same situation, and
we made reports to the city and all and nobody
has stepped then to help us.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
Okay, to follow up, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, I want
to just say, Okay, I'll tell you what, harry On.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Folks, We're got to take a short break here, and
when we come back out of both of you follow
up on that many and also Attorney Malik eight hundred
four y five zero seventy eight seventy six is twenty
five minutes away from the top. They our family want
to join this conversation with our guest with Attorney Milie Shabasi,
the two of his clients on the with us. Reach
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(02:05:26):
and Grand Rising family, Thanks for rolling with us on
this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with us again.
I guess he's Attorney Malik Shabazzi. He's the founder of
the Black Lawyers for Justices working on a case in Sriveport, Louisiana.
We'll get back to him in a moment. Just want
to remind you come up later this week. You're going
to hear from clinical psychologist doctor jerome E. Fox, you
know in best for his best selling work book Addicted
to White, to the Oppressed, in League with the Oppressor,

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a shame based alliance also public Enemy is Minister of
Information is going to be with us. Professor Griff also
holistic and natural pathic doctor doctor A will join us.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep
you ready locked in real tight up on ten ten
w LB. But if you're in the d m V
family around FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen
fifty w L all right and it's white. You wanted

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to add something before and let the attorney at Shabazra
pick it up after that.

Speaker 12 (02:06:15):
That was that was me, This as Mackey Jackson.

Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
Oh I'm sorry, go ahead, no, Werry.

Speaker 12 (02:06:21):
So just to just to respond to your question was
very important. There is a lot of cases down here
that police department and has, uh what you call use
a lot of sets forth of non violent and non
emergency cause that the police misconduct is it's very much
of a liability to the citizens. They're they're passing protocol,

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They're they're demising their training, understanding that the training that
they have comes from the warrior mentality in the black community,
comes from slave chasing, that patrol, that that whole stem
of reality on how they treat us US African American people.
And so, uh, this is the reason why Humanity twenty
twenty group stands firm. We stand in front of these

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officers and we also have alternative to them. And so
when I seen this happen, we gave miss White a
crisis plan. And as you see, we have the most
powerful black lawyers of justice online and he has been
showing up, the show out, and we're hoping that we
can hold these folks to the fire and get damages
and also put fear in the city that Humanity twenty

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twenty group is not gonna allow them to treat our
people kind of way, regardless what the situation is, all right, Malik, Yes,
and I want to.

Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
Thank Humanity twenty twenty and Miss Jackson for their advocacy here.
You know, I was shocked. I've never I've never encountered
a case where a person was arrested, a mother was
arrested for child neglect under these circumstances. I mean, I've

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heard of child Protective Services being notified, maybe perhaps and
I say maybe perhaps, maybe the city agency being notified,
perhaps about a pest control problem, maybe a warning perhaps,
But to have her arrested and her children taken from her,

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accused of child neglect for on the spot decision for officer,
it's got to be one of the most bone headed
decisions in the history of Louisiana law enforcement. Of whish
there's a long history of and so and so probable
cause here. To me, it's seriously lacking, and I mean

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it's ridiculous there are many other other steps, including investigating
the history of the pest control problem, which should have
been done, but that many other steps or remedies that
could have been taken, and to arrest and throw her
in jail for days and take her babies from her,
and it's also caused other damages since then, other damages.

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Our present is uh is something that the report and
the police department must be held to counter before it.
And so we have a news conference on Wednesday. We're
gonna be give a number out, which is if you
want to get a link to this news conference, you
can text two four zero two fours zero six eight

(02:09:30):
eight zero seven three five a news conference at two
four six eight eight oh seven three five. I want
you to attend our news conference on Wednesday because Ms
White is a dignified woman and she goes through issues
like any any of any of us. And we live

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in housing situations, and some of us have pest control
issues that are no fault of our own. Raise your
hand in the audience out there, and and so we're
in your head for her in Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (02:10:03):
All right, fifteen away from the topic, I'm winying. Let
me ask you this question though, when the police confronted you, Uh,
were you and pard the way I'm putting this because
I'm just trying to get through the cops you know,
perspective why he arrested you? Did you were your mouthy?
Did you you know? Would you resist? And again I
probably lead to resistant arrest you where you confront How

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do you deal with the situation when when the cop
approached you? Right way? Because this seems like some trumped
up charges, but did you do something else to tick
him off and he just couldn't find an excuse to
arrest you?

Speaker 16 (02:10:35):
Let me put that way, No, sir, I felt that
I was very respectful towards the off. I basically came
to the offer, so just you know, told him that
you know, we was talking about the issue at Hay
and I just been it to him. And basically the
charge came up unexpectedly to me because it was never

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broad up to me that I was under investigation for
it or that he was doing an investigation. In fact,
he came to me as if he was a friend
of mine, and he was like, well, you know, you
could see in my car and cool out. I know
it's kind of.

Speaker 15 (02:11:12):
Hot out here.

Speaker 16 (02:11:13):
And basically this thing.

Speaker 3 (02:11:15):
I know.

Speaker 16 (02:11:16):
When he came back, he just took everything from me
and told me I was going to jail for those charges.
And I've never been wanting to go against authority. And
when he told me that, I just gave me my hands.

Speaker 12 (02:11:28):
To cut me.

Speaker 16 (02:11:30):
I didn't argue with him. I did resist. I just
when he carried back, I asked him why.

Speaker 11 (02:11:35):
Was I going to jail?

Speaker 16 (02:11:36):
And then he explained to me because of the pitch
situation and that I couldn't stay there, so which I
explained to him that, you know, as a mother that
works doing the best that I can, like I couldn't
even afford to go stay in a hotel like these
are my only options in this situation started happening in February,

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and since that started happening, I tried to move.

Speaker 11 (02:12:00):
I'll try.

Speaker 16 (02:12:01):
I think my napose is taken and everything else. So
it's not like I was just willfully staying there.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Big question was was he black or white? Miss White?

Speaker 3 (02:12:13):
Was it was it?

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
Was it a black officer, a white officer, white off white? Yeah,
let's just wanted to put it in perspective ahead, Miss Jackson.

Speaker 12 (02:12:23):
Okay, So so I wanted to put some light on
it when she when she called nine one one, it
was a non violent call. It was between her and
her her child's father's her child, the child's father, and
they was going back and forth. And so when I
also got there, it was nonviolent. No one was anger.

Speaker 15 (02:12:40):
He was he was.

Speaker 12 (02:12:42):
He was kind of turned off that she wouldn't point
the fingers that he hit me.

Speaker 15 (02:12:46):
He abused me.

Speaker 12 (02:12:47):
So someone in his mind, someone had to go to jail.
Someone had to go to jail. And so when she
decided not to which there wasn't no physical altercations. It's
more verbal somebody going to jail. So then he wanted
to look at the children. Did he wanted to come
into the home. Then he wanted to set judgment. And
this is all a body camera, this is all over
you know, the social media. And so it started off

(02:13:09):
from a non violent call, the escalating and her children
getting put in crisis as well as herself physically and mentally.

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
All right, ten away from the tough at tourney leak,
does this do you think this will put people off
instead of calling nine one one, especially you know our folks,
you know, you call nine one one, somebody's going to jail,
Like Miss Jackson mentioned you know, somebody's going to go
to jail. So do you think of when you have
maybe have a more serious incident taking place, you be
you'll consider twice whether you call the cops or not.

(02:13:37):
How do you see it?

Speaker 3 (02:13:38):
It may you made me think of that it might
have a chilling effect on a person willing to call
emergency services, you know it just where I want to
also say that we're going after the apartment complex apartment
complex as a factor in this because they fail to

(02:13:59):
do their job, which is a part of this most
unfortunate incident. And you know this case, Uh, this would
be a good case to try. I mean, I'd love
if the city of Shreveport does not want to come
around and respect miss White and do some justice by
miss White. I'd be anxious to see if if a
jury and a jury in that city and jury in

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that county is going to affirm what this police officer did.
Because when I when I read the statutes, the criminal
statutes in that state, I mean, uh, this officer is
far far away from having a probable cause, uh to
haul her to jail and take her children from her.
So I mean this is kind of fight.

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
Let me ask you this thought into right, right, let
me ask you this question though, you said the apartment
complex is a couple as well, So you're gonna after
the apartment complex, the city because the or the county
because the police officer works for them. Anybody else is
liable in this case. Can you use to think of.

Speaker 3 (02:15:07):
Well, we're looking at all sources, but right now those
are the main two defendants. So it would be the
police officer as an individual. Of course, as an individual
also in his official capacity the city. We have to
see whether the city has provided any type of training
and monitoring of these kind of calls and situations regarding

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child neglect. I mean maybe perhaps this officer is just
completely untrained or or he's just doing his job. Either way,
the city is report is going to be held liable
one way or another, either vicariously as a supervisor or
for its own actions. The officer as an individual, he

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has to be held accountable in the court of law,
and of course the apartment complex because if MS White
has been requesting pest control services, if they know that
they have a duty to maintain reasonable pest control services,
which means monthly verified services, if they failed to do

(02:16:18):
that and neglected to do that. That's the complex, and
that is an approximate cause of her arrest. Well, then
they're going to have to antie up for that and
be held accountable for that because she because if they
would have done their job, she wouldn't be here either,
even though the cop was wrong. So we have to

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go after all defendants.

Speaker 12 (02:16:42):
To make his last comment and answer your question brother
about the h there's a lot of non violent nonymers
because that has that they when I say they, STD
was supposed to team up with a non violent emergency
agency like we are, and if we was out on
the seen, if they would have called our crisis management,
if they would have collaborated like I've been waiting for,

(02:17:03):
we would have came out that we answered under two
hundred calls similar to this. We never took anyone jail.
We never saw anyone in jail. We went in there,
we gave him a crisis plan, and we helped them
out of the situation that they had. And so you're
absolutely right, there's a old There is other other situations
that the citizens can use in terms of non violent
or in terms of any kind of crisis. They can

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call our crisis line, Human twenty groups and we come out.
We have three vehicles that can mobilize.

Speaker 1 (02:17:32):
All right, that's right. Questions since all this Okay, No,
I was going to ask a counselor has anybody reached
out to to apologize since this went down? That is right?

Speaker 12 (02:17:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
No, wow, okay counselor.

Speaker 3 (02:17:48):
Okay, But things may be changing as as we take
an action this week. It's getting in the news there
and they're realizing that that this is not going to
go away. This I want everybody to know that this
was not a situation where the police officers showed up
and this was some kind of wild, out of control
set or Miss White was was wild or having some

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kind of psychiatric incident and and something had this None
of that occurred here. This was a uh and and
this was a tempered environment and a he This is
a decision that the officer had plenty of time to
make under under nine emergency circumstances, and to make that

(02:18:35):
decision to take her and hold her in the car
and then take her and and and so this is
the case is not going to die. And I want
to thank miss White for standing up for her rights.
And I want to thank, uh, miss, I.

Speaker 1 (02:18:51):
Mean you may ask you because we're racing the clock
head councilor you're suing for for what false arrest and
what else?

Speaker 3 (02:18:56):
We're suing violation of Fourth Amendment rights for unconstitutional search
and seizure. Then there's nineteen eighty three constitution, I would
say fourteenth Amendment. Right, of course, we're sing under the
fourteenth Amendment because I can't foresee this happening with anyone

(02:19:17):
else other than a black woman. I've never heard of
it happening to anyone, and I can't see it happening
in any of one other than a black woman. Maybe
it was done intentionally on the basis of race, of course,
false arrests and the state law, the state law violations
of false arrest and the apartment complex, well, that would

(02:19:39):
be negligence and other civil statutes.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
So have you heard from anyone since if you file
the complaint?

Speaker 3 (02:19:48):
Okay, Well, complains not been filed yet, but the complaint
is coming. I think we're having a news conference Wednesday
and the city being formally addressed as to the constitutional violations.
The city is being formally addressed, and what happened, what's
happening right now is Ms White has has retained council

(02:20:12):
has retained counsel here Black Lawyers for Justice and Attorney
Shabaz and and we're going to see if they just
come to their senses. We're going to see if sooner
rather than later that the that the city will just
come to their senses and resolve this matter with Ms
White and that department complex will come and resolve this matter.

(02:20:32):
We try to resolve matters ahead of litigation if we can,
and if we can't, we throw down and fight.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
Got you all right? Listen three minutes away from the
top of our guys, step aside for a few moments,
Miss White, Miss Jackson, thank you for joining us. As
I mess you. We got to step aside. Brother Carlos
has a question for Attorney Malik and also we also
have next guest, Priscilla till is going to join us
well on the other side as well. Family, you two
can get in on this discussion. Reach out to us

(02:21:00):
one hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six
of the magic numbers and we'll take your phone calls
next and on rising. Family, Thanks for staying with us
on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with
us again. I guess it's the founder of the Black
Lawyers for Justice. Name is Malik Shabaz for on several
cases and before we bring in Priscilla till the councilor Kareem,

(02:21:20):
I think in Baltimore wants to get in on the
conversations online. Three grand rise of Kareem. You're on with
attorneyment League.

Speaker 17 (02:21:28):
Tell the call and attorney Shapazz. I was just thinking
that I used to be a guardian that lightem in
the courts for children, and I just wanted to make
a statement that the police officers, if they think that
they should remove children from a home, they can, and
they have seventy two hours in which they have to

(02:21:54):
turn that child.

Speaker 3 (02:21:55):
Over to a social worker.

Speaker 17 (02:21:57):
So you might not be able to get.

Speaker 3 (02:21:59):
A child on false arrest, but it need be some
other way to go at that.

Speaker 17 (02:22:05):
That That was the statement I wanted to make. You know,
they do they can take a child out, you know,
they think that they have probable cause they can take
remove children, but they do have seventy two hours then
they have to turn that child, those children over to
social workers.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
All Right, my dispute, my dispute against that is going
to be that the the reason for removing the children
and arrest and the mother falls far sufficient, falls far
from sufficiency in terms of what is needed to take

(02:22:46):
a child. Uh, you're talking about when they find the
children abandoning cars and hot weather and and whereas the
actual danger to the life of the child. I get
what you're saying, but these circumstances are far far from that,
from those circumstances where you can take a child, far
far from that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:06):
Got it, Thanks Gilly, Thanks your fuch. This morning, after
the time, they are all right, Attorney of Leak, our
next guest introduced us.

Speaker 3 (02:23:13):
To the want I want everyone around the nation, all
around the nation to listen carefully. Right now. We have
a very special woman and person and black woman who
is running for the United States Senate for the state

(02:23:35):
of Mississippi, of which the election is next year. And
her name is Bascilla Williams Teal. Okay, you've heard her
on this show before. I want you to hear her
again today. There's a United States Senate race that's very important.

Speaker 15 (02:23:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:23:55):
In the MAGA control Senate is a is a delicate
balance right now. They're barely holding on to the majority
and Cindy Hyde Smith, a stunch right wing conservative in Mississippi,
occupies one of the two seats. But from Mississippi here,
a state that has a forty five percent black electric

(02:24:18):
I want you to hear now a candidate that has integrity,
a candidate that does not have to adopt civil rights
as a platform, but a candidate that is born and
birthed in civil rights and the struggle for equality and
the struggle for justice and authentic and authentic part of

(02:24:45):
the tapestry of our history and our future progress in
this country. And she's a client of mine. I have
helped her seek justice in the immitial case against Carolyn Bryant,
who passed a few years ago. That's how I met her,
and ever since I met her, she stood up strong

(02:25:07):
for justice, not just for Immit till she stood for
against the ranking County Goon Squad publicly against Sheriff Brian
Bailey and and and the ranking County goon squad. Thank god,
all of them are locked up for long years in
federal prisons. She's taken care of my clients in Mississippi

(02:25:28):
and done many acts that were not reported at all
because she's a genuine person she stood up against the hanging,
she stood up against the lyncions, and she has the passion,
the knowledge, and the skill to represent us all on
the highest levels in government. And so what I want
to do with what did you do is to is
to hear and with brother Carl Nelson having her on to,

(02:25:51):
we're gonna talk to Miss Priscilla W. Till, the United
States Senate candidate in twenty six. I think that's one
of the best things that we could be hearing right
about now in politics. I'm happy to be on and
to be her attorney.

Speaker 1 (02:26:08):
All right, mister Priscilla, first, welcome to the program, and
tell us first of your relationship to Amma tel Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (02:26:17):
My great grandmother name is Ella Nel Smith and she
was the sister to Mamon Tills daddy with his granddaddy,
George Smith, and we're from Hazlehurst, Mississippi, and that's our connection.
And it is so funny. And you asked me because
I tell people often I didn't realize how close I

(02:26:40):
was to Mamy Till, although we had many family reunions
here in the state of Mississippi, you know, as a
teenager and they're in the Banque hall doing the family reunions.
We were not interested in just sitting around the table
listening to the people. But it wasn't until she had
come here in twenty two thousand and two and I

(02:27:00):
was having an issue here in Mississippi and she gone
back home and she died in two thousand and three,
ashed up in her bed the night of her funeral,
and I just was in all because I had the
opportunity all my life to talk to her, to hang
out with her. But it was just very interesting that
I was right there during the time when Jesse Jackson

(02:27:23):
pulled up and we got into the limousine and went
off to the funeral, and we end up at the
Rainbow Coalition. So that's my experience with made me till
as a relative, very close relative.

Speaker 3 (02:27:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:27:37):
I have had the opportunity to speak to her twice
before she made her transition. That she's a strong woman.
She was a strong woman. Let me just say that,
but let me ask you this stuff. Yes, yes she
was because she went through a lot. That's a child,
you know, a family. What happened to a matil Those
of you don't know, because some of you don't know
part of the history. This is what sort of triggered

(02:27:58):
the civil rights movement. Just look up Emmitt Till. If
those you're just listening, especially on the young end, that
you don't know who Emmitt Till is, you should know
who Mit Till it or who he was. I just
put it that way. But se let me ask you this, Uh,
why do you want to go to the US Senate?
What was it about you? You just figured out you
I want to go to Washington, DC and represent my area. Why?

Speaker 6 (02:28:22):
Well, for one, I want to be in the room
introducing laws and shaping policy towards a society that is
more equitable, respectful, and humane for the well for the
society of the people's need that come first. And this
is what really sparked my interest into wanting to do this.

Speaker 16 (02:28:40):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:28:40):
Cindy high Smith, who now represents the state of Mississippi
as the United States Senator, made a statement, and see,
I have been asked before to run for a public
office within the city of Jackson, but I never was
interested because I liked the people that was representing or
in those positions. It wasn't until May of twenty eighteen

(02:29:03):
Cindy hin Smith was at a in an event and
one of the people that she was supporting. She said,
if he'd introduced me, I mean, or if he introduced
me to a public hanging, I'd sit on the front row.
And I was in awe because I could not believe
that I was watching TV in the media allowed it

(02:29:25):
to be shown. And this woman still end up winning
the United States Senate seat here in the state of Mississippi,
and my family, who never got justice for Mmitia, had
to listen to this lady say that she could sit
on the front row of a public hanging. As you
all know that FBI fouls the Justice Department files have

(02:29:48):
been released on the Mitia's case. There are many members
that participated in Emmitill's lynching that has never been known
to the nation, like Andrew Campbell, Leslie Myloon, m Mr Kimble.
These were participants in Emmitill's murder. So here it is
you have a United States Senator saying that I could

(02:30:10):
hit on the front row of a public mention. But
you have a young man who's just been found home
here in Cleveland, Mississippi at Delfa State University, And I
wonder what she part of the people sitting there watching
him being hung so it is very important to me
that I helped introduce laws such as federal civil rights

(02:30:35):
laws that investigate police departments here in the state of Mississippi.
Police reform. That's what I'm looking to do in Mississippi
because anytime we have a governor. Back in nineteen fifty nine,
Ross Barnett, he introduced a white Citizens' Council into state
government here in Mississippi, funded them, and used them as

(02:30:58):
an advisory board. And that still holds two to today.
So yes, we're still fighting for federal civil rights investigation
into police departments here because I know that the case
with the young man tray Red is not going to
be fair and we should not let it die simply
because of what has happened to Emmett Till.

Speaker 1 (02:31:18):
Well, let me's you think her reaction, what you said
you'd be on the front road, was that a response
to Trey's alleged hanging.

Speaker 6 (02:31:24):
And let me put it that way, Well, this was
said in twenty eighteen. She said, this is twenty I mean,
think about how long ago that was for you to
be that cockey to have said that. So not only
is it about her saying that as a United States Senator,
but she she is for the people she's supposed to

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be where meeting with constituents to right now, Trey reed,
Mom and others around the state of Mississippi should have
the opportunity to go to Cindy Hi Smith and say, hey, look,
can you contact federal investigation. I need help doing this.
She has not made herself available to the public for

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any of this to happen. You know, there are more issues.
I am the class action representative for a water lossuit
here in the state of Mississippi right now, and the
people I was at an event Saturday don't know anything about.
We have private companies here in the state of Mississippi
sending out million shipping millions of gallons of water to

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New Mexico, and it's distributing to Colorado and other neighboring state.
But we right here in the city of Jackson, the
state of Mississippi need clean water. I asked many members
that had come nearing far to the event we had
on this past Saturday, asked them if they were having
water problems or whether the are any issues with their

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water's dirty water, and they raised their hands. So I
think it's important that the people in the state of
Mississippi know that, Hey, look, we have a railway be
inn sl shipping twenty one thousand gallons of water per
train card to other states and we and I'm a

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class action representative for the water lawsuits. So that goes
to show you the governor. What is the governor doing
for the people within the state of Mississippi as far
as having clean water? And that's another issue to address.

Speaker 1 (02:33:26):
Right and we've addressed that several times on this program
at thirteen after top there. But Priscilla, do you think
what's going on in Jackson? Because from what I've heard
from people in Jackson, Mississippi, they seem to feel like
the governor. The governor is leading a call try to
get Jackson back into the Republican column. He wants he

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wants the capital back. Is that the feeling that you
have as well?

Speaker 6 (02:33:51):
Oh, yes, sir, that's the reason why to vote for
me and deal with the issue at hand that is
hindering us to progress in the state of Mississippi. I
think we need to fight against it because, like I
said to you here, we have a water issue. They

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have been shipping water out of the state of Mississippi
since twenty twenty one, Jacob's Webb and out of Helena, Mississippi.
Mind you, this is nothing I made up or I heard.
This is happening from Mississippi when we are struggling. There's
class action lawsuits and the governor has not made a

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contract with these private companies to bring clean water into.

Speaker 11 (02:34:35):
The city around And.

Speaker 6 (02:34:37):
It's not just the city of Jackson that has been
affected by this, it's the whole state of Mississippi. When
it comes to not having clean water that's an issue.
And then you, I know you've heard about the eight
hospitals are on the cusp of being removed or they're
losing funds and money and they're closing down. We have

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one in Holly Springs, Mississippi, Clarksdale, Mississippi, Boomville, Mississippi, Greenwood, Mississippi, Meridian, Mississippi,
picking you in Mississippi, Baseville, Mississippi, and Yazoo, Mississippi. These
are the eight rural hospitals that are at risk of
closing down due to not having adequate patient care because

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the state is losing Medicare on Medicaid money. You know,
the president has just signed this big beautiful bill and
he's cutting over one trillion dollars in funding for Medicaid,
so we're gonna lose these highspitals. That's another issue that
needs to be brought up in the state of Mississippi.

Speaker 1 (02:35:42):
All right, hold that thought right there, because we're gonna
step us out for a few moments. When you come up,
Mark in Houston has a question for you. And also
i'd like to find out how are you going to
energize voters, not just black voters, voters period, because you're
gonna need other folks to vote for you as well.
What are you gonna tell them? Just's a lot of
apathy in the country right now when it comes to voting.
Many people don't think that elected officials do anything, especially

(02:36:03):
for our community. Or when they get up there, they change,
they flip. So I'll let you respond to those questions.
When we get back family, you two can join our
conversation with the Priscilla Tilts. She's running for the US
ended state in Mississippi. What are your thoughts? Also attorning
Malie Shabos are still with us, reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls. Next and Grand

(02:36:25):
Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on this Monday
morning and thanks for starting your week with us. At
twenty minutes after the top of that, with our guest
at Priscilla Till she's running for the US Senate seat
in the state of Mississippi, a deep red state, with
her as well as her attorney, Malite Shabas and the
founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice, and as I
mentioned before the break that Mark in Houston has a
question for Mark's online three at Grand Rising Market. Question

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for a Priscilla Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:36:49):
Good morning, miss Philip. Thank you God for take them.

Speaker 4 (02:36:54):
Oh.

Speaker 15 (02:36:55):
I would just like to say, I know what you're saying. Uh,
but when you get if you get elected, do you
do you have enough members to try to get any
laws of things passed us because we vote our people
that look like us in. But when you get in,
I know they say, well, people like it like us

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don't really help us. It's not that this y'all don't
help us. It's it's just not enough numbers for.

Speaker 8 (02:37:22):
You to pass it.

Speaker 15 (02:37:23):
But you can advocate on it. But can you elaborate
on that because we want to make sure that people
understand that this this number game, and that's what Trump
them is doing right now is trying to get the
house in the Senate. So explain to people, why are
you're trying to.

Speaker 3 (02:37:38):
Do what you on my place right?

Speaker 6 (02:37:41):
I appreciate you for asking that question. I'm my My
basic plan is to meet with the constituents and to
understand their needs and concern You know, I was just
asked the other day, are you running because you have
Matill's name and you a relative? Immitill, No, There's a

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lot to me besides just being the family member of
Maymi til Mobiley. I'm a teacher. I also am. I
was appointed by the supervisor in my district to sit
on the board of directors for my ward. And what
I did was I was on the Hinest County Agency

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Human Resource Board where we oversaw seventy seven to eighty
million dollars in funding and resources. And once I got
into this position, I began to go to the churches
and to community events and let the people within the
ward and around the city know of all the funding
and resources that were available to them through this agency.

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After going into the community, allowing these people to learn
about what is going on within the Hags County Human
Resource Agency. I was calling to the office by the
President and the Vice because I was not supposed to
share that information, and I thought that that was that
was inhumane because as a child, my mom used to

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go to this same board, this same agency to get
refunds and resources to pay like bills, and I just
remember seeing her disgusted and upset of knowing not what
to do based on not being able to get these resources.

Speaker 8 (02:39:27):
So I know what it's like.

Speaker 6 (02:39:28):
I'm grassroots, I'm on the ground, I'm with the people.
I know the needs of our communities around this state.
So it is very important to me that I go
around the state of Mississippi. We have eighty two counties
within this state. I will go around verbati meeting the
constituents and not only meeting our constituents and people out

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in the community. I am relatable to them. I think
that we need to have free universal pre care schools
here in the state of Mississippi. I think that's very
much important because they have cut that out here in Mississippi.
So yes, to answer your question, sir, I am relatable

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to the people in these communities. I'm not the person
that is the suit high level and you have to
get to me by calling my secretary. No, Sir, I'm
boosts on the ground, I'm grass.

Speaker 1 (02:40:27):
Priscilla. Because you're son to repeat yourself. Let me bring
Attorney Milik again. Attorney Malik Shabaz. First, can you explain
what will happen? What's the stake here for her candidacy?

Speaker 3 (02:40:40):
Okay, I want everybody around the nation to know that
the candidacy of Priscilla w til. It's important to our
people all over the country, even all over the world. Uh.
And I believe that that if elected, she will easily
be there. Well, it's not she's easy going to be

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the strong probably the strongest elected official we have in
the country. And and obviously from listening to her that
that she's well versed on Mississippi issues, and she's well
versed as from the from the from the ground up,
because she's been there, she's she's a part of the fight.

(02:41:23):
So so the Mississippi, her Mississippi credentials and authenticity is unquestionable. Okay.
But now here you have a candidate here that is
uh and so supported. I want to thank Attorney being
Crump for coming out and and endorsing the candidacy here.
Priscilla tel And and we expect all national Black organizations

(02:41:48):
to come out and to support her. That is the expectation.
And and and she's tough enough to stand up to
this president. That's what I'm telling y'all, that that she's
a new voice, she new blood, that she's experienced enough,
yet young enough yet passionate enough, that she's time enough
for Donald Trump and time enough for Maga. So I

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do want to say, we got to put our arms
of protection around her, and we got to rise up
and put a hedge of protection around her because I
know who she is. And you all have never ever
heard me come on this radio show and endorse any
politician ever, And I wouldn't do it. And I wouldn't
tell you this if I wouldn't know that down in

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the trenches that she has had at the back of
attorney my Leak Shabbaz and Black lawyers for justice. And
so she's a person of high integrity, a person that
won't sell out, a person of a principle, a person
of good marals and family integrity. Yes, she comes from

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a divine family, the Immit Till family, but that's just her.
That's the name and the legacy she comes from. But
I know her as a as a person, Okay, and
so and so the whole nation, I predict is going
to get behind her. And this is going to have
heavy steaks. She's running in the Democratic primary. That primary's

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next March. She's running in the Democratic primary because she
has to my analysis of her, I know that they're
I don't know what the feelings are about the Democratic
Party on this program. I do know that tactically she
has to run as a Democrat. I personally characterize her

(02:43:34):
as a as an independent minded Democrat. That the good
things that they stand for that she stands for, and
some other things. She still her position is the best position.
So so I just say that she's the one for
us all over America. We have to get behind her,

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and certainly in every county and inch square inch of Mississippi.

Speaker 15 (02:43:59):
All right, I would like to say this call for
I want to let the people know is he definitely
get voted in. I need the people in her state
to stand behind us, because what this administration would do
to these African American black women that are running for
office and get that office. This man is retaliating against
these people and trying to turn their own people against them.

(02:44:21):
So you need to understand to stand behind our people
no matter what allegations that they bring out to this
Republican Party would bring out on these women. We have
to stand behind them because it's false. We see it happening,
y'all saw it happen in Baltimore. We see it happen
across this country when these males and these women get
in and come in and fight for us and hold

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these people accountable for certain things, and next thing you know,
they own the docked for priminal charges or federal charges
that these people are doing to them. Let's stop this
nonsense and get behind our candidates when they get in office,
because allegations are easy because they have been accusing our
brothers day and night. Now what they're doing to our
women when they're getting off it they accusing and we're crime.

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Thank you card, y'all have a grade?

Speaker 1 (02:45:06):
Thanks? Yeah, hey, we we got to get her in.
We gotta get her in for us. So I think
that's what Tony Maleek is saying that with that, she's
gonna need some help, financial help. I take a counselor,
because you you know, money is what the mother's milk
of politics.

Speaker 3 (02:45:20):
Somebody said, uh, absolutely absolutely all forms of support, political support,
financial support, all of that will be needed. And and
she will explain all that. She's gonna give her website
out and and talk about all that and and yes,
we're gonna need maximum support on all levels. And then,

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like the caller said, we're gonna I mean, we gotta
protect we gotta protect black women. We have to protect
black women that are that are that are standing up
for us and that and that may be may be
targeted by MAGA or the President. I mean, that's just
the reality of it. We have we have to get through.
We have to live lives of justice. We're not gonna compromise,

(02:46:04):
and we have to aggressively protect our leadership. So I
turned it back to her.

Speaker 1 (02:46:11):
Yeah, let me ask you a question for her. I
thank you, Counselor Priscilla A. Tweeter. I wanted to know,
he says, please ask her about Brett Favre and former
Governor Phil Bryant stealing money. We've heard about those charges.
It seems like they've gotten off scott free. Is this
something that you would address if elected?

Speaker 6 (02:46:29):
Do you know about yes, yes, sir, thank you for
asking a question. As a matter of fact, I was
on the grand jury, asked the secretary that wrote in
the charges, and we true build these charges. And these
people were never served or charged or even brought on
TV and are handcuffed or even asked about this after

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they were charged with these crimes. Then, like I said,
I was on the grand jury and wrote down each
and every charge over ten charges. Nancy knew her son,
Brett Farr was a part of it, and he Chad White,
who's our state auditor, has a newspaper article that states
that bring Brett Farr knew exactly what he was doing

(02:47:13):
and he didn't want the public to find out. So, yes, sir,
I would definitely be addressing these charges because you have
to remember, they went after the mayor in the city
of Jackson. They went out after Ida, they went after
angel League Lee, who was the city council people. These
are all black people. But I was in I couldn't

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believe that they would actually go on the air an
air out the mayor, the DA, the city council people's
laundress didn't ten thousand did in fifty thousand, But here
these people stole millions of dollars from out of the
mouths of needed women and children. Until this day no
one has addressed them. But mind you, they had on

(02:47:56):
the air here in the city of Jackson. The mayor
they was gonna Maryl's gonna be sentenced. The DA was
gonna lose his job. So yes, sir, I would definitely
address that, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:48:07):
Twenty nine away from the top attorney the leak, attorney
John Bonnet is joined us. Can you bring him on
for us?

Speaker 3 (02:48:15):
Okay? John Barnett his civil rights leader. Actually he's not
an attorney, but he's he's probably the best national activist
in the civil rights movement we have. And John Barnett
is a field organizer for this campaign as he is
doing a remarkable work in Mississippi in this hour. So

(02:48:38):
all right, okay, brother John Barnett is right on the
ground in Mississippi and he's instrumental to this campaign. And
we thank him.

Speaker 1 (02:48:48):
John Grian rising your thoughts, you, thank you, thank you,
Good morning everyone, man, the morning to my big brother.

Speaker 14 (02:48:56):
Much respect and love for attorneyship bus woke up for
sleeping giant in me as relates to them matild case
and the goon squad case. And it goes on and
to my sister Facila till I just wanted to go
back on being protected as a black woman in America.
As you were talking and and as we prepare to
put this black woman in position, I immediately thought about

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the fact that Kamala Harris was subject to so much mockery,
so much disgrace, so much shame, fake AI pictures of her.
And I've never seen a Democratic presidential candidate, the female
in particular, be mocked like that. They didn't do Hillary
Clinton like that. I think in the eighties they had

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a lady that ran from New York, I believe. But
my point is Malcolm X said it best and it's
still true today. He was in Los Angeles, California, nineteen
sixty one sixty two, I believed, and he was talking
to an audience and he had said that the black woman,
a black woman, is the most adm woman on earth,
but yet the most disrespected and the least protected. And

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so part of what we have to do with missus
Chill's case, part of my I'm doing as a national
coordinator is to make sure she's protected on all levels,
but not only that. We started Saturday. I'm on the
civil rights tour, and I just thought it was fitting
that since I'm going through all of these churches, close
to ten churches, fifteen churches Mississippi. We were in Meridian

(02:50:26):
on Mississippi and missus Till spoke profoundly to the audience
and I just got charged of listening to it. It
was like olready listening to her speech when she win
and so when saying that we got Leland, Mississippi next month.
So it's just ironic kind of planets lined up, mister
call because I'm already on a tour and Mississippi going
from church to church, from Leland to Biloxi to Jackson

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and all of the churches that I'm going into on
Saturday Morning, which I learned from Reverend Sharpton Saturday Morning
twelve Noon's Action Network.

Speaker 3 (02:50:58):
Justice Rallies.

Speaker 14 (02:50:59):
I'm doing the same thing in Mississippi right now. We
started Saturday, church was packed and Miss Till spoke profoundly.
And that's what I'm doing now is connecting her with
the grassroots. And that's a strategic move because I can't
get you all my marketing strategies, but dude, know that
she's definitely gonna be and closed about sixty to eighty
churches way before March, so we already ready. And I

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think it's key as I got to tell you that
President Barack Obama won as I studied his campaign. I
worked on Reverend Sharkon's campaign at eight when he ran,
he came in third in South Carolina, which is where
I'm from. President Barack Obama won because number one, the
gays voted for him. Number two, young black people. Young
black people were voting. Then he had the hip hop community.

(02:51:44):
He was just talk about that he had ties with
Jay Z. So you already got about twenty percent of
New York right there. And so he had a new audience.
That's how he got an office. And another interesting audience
was female Democrats that couldn't stand George Bush. Female Republicans
switched over to Obama. And so in saying that, I

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think it's very important that we come up with new ideas,
new ways coping fresh and of course he's the best
person for this position. I'm looking forward to this campaign.
I'm extremely excited.

Speaker 1 (02:52:16):
All right, twenty four minutes away from the top of
how we got to take a short break real soon.
But still the question for you is Voto apathy, and
it's not just in Mississippi, it's all over. Many black
folks in the last presidential race they sat it out.
They don't think that elected politics works for us as
a people that you know, nothing changes. We've been doing

(02:52:37):
it for four hundred years and we're still in the
same position, actually probably a little worse off each each
after each and every election. What are you going to
say to those folks to get them off the couch
and get them to go to the polls and vote.
And I'll let you give you a response when we
come back from the short break. Family YouTube can join
our conversation or to turnam of League Shabaz and Sister
Priscilla Till reach out to us at eight hundred four

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to five zero seventy eight six on ticket phone calls
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week
with us at nineteen minutes away from the top. There,
I guess attorney Believe Chabaz and also US senatorial candidate
for Mississippi, Priscilla Till is with us as well. Priscilla
is running for the twenty twenty sixth election seat to

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replace the Republican that now represents the state of Mississippi
and the US Senate. So, Priscilla, my question to you though,
because you're going to need everybody to get out of
vote right now, there's a lot of voter apathy, especially
in our community. Many of our folks just don't believe
that politics works for us these days. They rather stay
home because you know they frank you look around and say,
nothing's change. What do you say to those folks? What

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are you going to do to convince those people to
go with the polls?

Speaker 6 (02:53:43):
Well, we plan on a lot of voter registration events
throughout the states within the next few months, as well
as my campaign team, and I have a strategy plan,
and I don't want to give it away because I
have opponents running against me, but I want the people

(02:54:04):
to know if we can flip too seats, we can
change the Senate. If we can flip to seat, vote
me in and another seat, we could actually change the Senate. Remember,
I am about justice for civil and human rights against
police brutality. So as part of my legacy and responsibility

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is to ensure that the truth and history is passed
down to future generation. So when I say that we
will have events for voter registration, I will be going
door to door within these eighty two counties meeting my
constituents because, like I have, people here have come out

(02:54:48):
against me, and it might be a few, and they
have been white. And the first thing they say is,
don't sympathize with her because she's the family of Enmitilla,
or she's a racist, And we have to change that
this that scenario here in the state of Mississippi. I
believe hope is stronger than hate, and that's first and

(02:55:09):
foremost what we've got to change. I've got to talk
to everyone, and I will talk to everyone and they'll
get a chance to know Priscilla.

Speaker 11 (02:55:17):
But I have to speak to the truth.

Speaker 6 (02:55:21):
Of the history, and that's passed down from Mississippi.

Speaker 3 (02:55:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:55:25):
Well, let me go to Attorney but League again and
ask you this question. He's going to help you with
your campaign. It's helping you with your campaign, I should say,
Attorney Beleague, how does she reach We know black folks
who you know just what they call identity politics. They'm like, Okay,
we'll vote for the sister because she's black, but you're
gonna need some white votes in Mississippi to to win

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any statewide election. What can she say to those white
folks you're there, especially those who are sitting on the
fence or who don't consider themselves maga. And if they
are considered maga, what kind of conversation can you have
with some people who you know, take the kool aid
and so so far down the road, they don't consider
you know, a persson like uh miss Priscilla, they equal

(02:56:07):
What what can she say? What kind of conversations should
be should she be having with them?

Speaker 3 (02:56:13):
Okay, honest conversation. I don't and uh, you know, I
don't know if missus Priscilla is gonna win over the
people that are that are outright racist, but that but
there are many who are don't fit that category. And
I certainly know for a fact that she will have
statewide support, uh standing on her principles, and she'll have

(02:56:36):
state wise support amongst all people in Mississippi. And I
know that through my own personal experience. Now you all
know Malik Zulu Shabaz as a freedom fighter and I am,
and so in my most important cases in Mississippi, representing
Michael Jenkins and Eddie Parker and standing against police brutality

(02:56:58):
and against ranking count and the Sheriff's department and Brian
Bailey and so forth. Uh. You know, I don't ever
my stance, and I can tell you honestly that that
a lot of my phone calls of support, uh and
thank you and so forth have it came from some
white people in Mississippi. I don't know what party they

(02:57:19):
were from. I can assume what party they were from.
I can just tell you right now that that due
to me, my authenticity and standing up for justice, that
that I have found that even want me to be
their lawyer. They calling me every day, sending me emails
and mister lawyer, mister Sabaz, mister Sabaz and so. So

(02:57:40):
I know that if Malik shabazk can it does in
fact have support amongst all lines and respect amongst all
across racial lines in Mississippi. And certainly having turned my
stance at all, and Miss miss till is on safe
ground that she's gonna that that due to her authenticity,

(02:58:01):
due to her straightforwardness, due to the principle she stands upon.
I see her and I head to head matchup against
Cindy Hyatt Smith, with her with her personality, with her
knowledge of the issues, her education, her youth, her attraction.

(02:58:22):
I see her beating her. I see I see this
nation electric, I see this nation electrified. I see the
National conversation talk about how MAGA power is going to
be cut in the Senate, that the MAGA has the
Supreme Court, the House of Representatives, the Senate, in the
White House. That's that somebody got to break the monopoly

(02:58:44):
on power. And why wouldn't it be the priscillatil and
and what she represents?

Speaker 1 (02:58:52):
Uh? My question at thirteen away from the top to
Priscilla is the fact that you run on the Democratic ticket.
The Democrat Party it's in disarray, that they don't have
a leader, that seems like they can't get it together exactly.
How's that going to impact your race though? If your
parties is just just so disorganized, how's that going to

(02:59:13):
help you? What do you have to do to make
up ground for that disorganization or do you think it's
gonna they're gonna get the game together before the next year.

Speaker 6 (02:59:20):
I think they're gonna get the game together.

Speaker 3 (02:59:23):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:59:23):
And like I said, we got a lot of work
to do as far as getting out here talking to
the people, just voter registration and letting people know who
I am. That's the best I can do. You know,
I think people associate because I do. I am vocal,
I am an advocate for justice. I have the Immity

(02:59:45):
of Justice for Families Foundation. I have dealt with a
lot of messing cases here in the state of Mississippi,
But because I speak out on those things vocally, they
associate me with being racist because I'm exposing truth. But
they don't realize that my my sister in law is white,
my brother in law is white, my nieces and nephew biracial.

(03:00:06):
My aunt is Michigan descent. So they have to get
to know me, you know what I'm saying. And once
we go around and we do voter registration and meet
the people and they see where I come from, they'll
understand the position and how important it is for them
to vote for Personally, you.

Speaker 1 (03:00:26):
Feel got you turn away from that.

Speaker 3 (03:00:29):
Tom.

Speaker 1 (03:00:29):
It's John still will us John Bonnett, because he's been
doing all a lot of the legwork.

Speaker 3 (03:00:34):
John.

Speaker 1 (03:00:35):
All right, John, tell us, what are folks telling you?
You're on the ground, You've got the ground game going
for Priscilla. What are they telling What are these perspective
voters telling you? What is it they want from an
elected official, and what is it they dislike in the
elected officials they have.

Speaker 14 (03:00:53):
Well, what I think is is, as I said earlier,
the planners are laying up. I think one thing that
everyone I would say that when they vote, they want
one thing. They want something that's gonna affect them. And
so in saying that, our conversation is what's affecting them,
it's the police brutality, it's the lack of Jobs's DEI

(03:01:14):
eliminating almost four hundred thousand half American women as far
as being employed in this country, they were terminated. So
I think one of the key factors is talking about really,
you know, we have to connect our people, and particular
people of color with what's going on with politics. We
haven't always been politically in clients, and so that's just
really a great talking point because then we're able to

(03:01:36):
go to the church that we did this Saturday, and
we talked about the importance of voting. And then I'm
always reminded of my mentors who had always told me that,
you know, we have to keep reminding people that em
and Tiel was walking around all day long in the
hot sun of Mississippi encouraging black people to vote, and
he aspired to go into his house and he dealing
with his family and was shot in the back of

(03:01:57):
the head by an assassin. So in saying that we
have to remind ourselves of the history, we have to
tell people about Fanily Lou Haimer, we have to tell
people about MegaR Evans. We have to tell them about
how important it is to vote in this country as
relates to what we've gone through. Our people die for
us to vote. And one thing that we have to do.
My second point, mister Carl, is that we have to convict.

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Our people don't move unless we're being convicted. And so
conviction is very key to me because it makes someone
stand up and rise up and say, you know what,
You're right. I need to be doing that. And then secondly,
we also have to dealify with the fact not only
we need to be convicted, we need to be motivated.
And so the motivation comes in inspiring and that's why

(03:02:42):
powerful speeches historically, you know, the JFK speech, the President
Barack Obama speech, the Pascila Tail speech. Those speeches is
really what's gonna encourage people. It's gonna spot some type
of electric electricity that goes throughout the whole state of Mississippi,
and that really comes with the voice of that person,

(03:03:04):
Miss Teal's voice. It's going to young people to vote,
I think and uh And lastly, I would say that
the young people. You know, most megachurches are comprised of
twenty five to forty year olds. We got to get
that out because they're very comfortable for going to work
with fancy cars at nice houses, and they're not voting.
A lot of them are not voting. So we have

(03:03:24):
to chat back into the King Malcolm thirty nine years
of age, not sixty nine?

Speaker 1 (03:03:30):
Got you eight away from the top of our councilor
Mili Schabaz. How can folks, if they're listening right now
anywhere around the country, around the world, and they want
to help out, as Sister Priscilla Till, how do they
reach Do you have the information?

Speaker 3 (03:03:44):
Okay, they can missmiss Till give you your website. Give
you a website out of Miss Till.

Speaker 15 (03:03:53):
Okay, Yes, they.

Speaker 18 (03:03:54):
Can go to info dot t or a senate at
gmail dot com. Info dot T for Senate at gmail
dot com.

Speaker 3 (03:04:06):
Also give out the website.

Speaker 6 (03:04:12):
Okay, Till for you as Senate twenty twenty six dot org.

Speaker 3 (03:04:19):
Right till the number four US Senate twenty twenty six,
dot org. Till the number four US Senate twenty twenty six,
dot org.

Speaker 1 (03:04:35):
Ask you there's a brother Malik for I'll let you
guys go, though. What is she good? What is she
gonna do?

Speaker 3 (03:04:41):
That up? One second? Okay, on one second? On one second? No,
I had that right, No, right, kill, Just repeat it
again first till the number four US Senate six dot org.

(03:05:03):
All right, that's what's going on right now.

Speaker 1 (03:05:06):
And since so you and John are helping her out,
let me ask you this question before we get out
of here, though, what does she have to do differently
to differentiate herself from the other candidates that are running?
Because you know, the name Till is not going to
convince a lot of people just because she's related to
Ammettill that you're going to get that. People say, oh,
just because you're related to I'm not gonna vote for
because many of them don't even know the story of
Amatil or some of the other Mississippians that John mentioned earlier.

(03:05:29):
So what how she's going to differentiate herself from the
rest of the pack.

Speaker 3 (03:05:36):
You asking me yep, okay, she did. She differentiates herself
by continuing to be herself. What it is is that
her base constituency the one that she's going to turn
out to win this primary, and and all of the
new voters were predicting a surge of new voters in

(03:05:56):
our community, particularly young people that's gonna stand up behind her.

Speaker 15 (03:06:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:06:01):
What differentiates her is that is that when it when
it comes to the causes that are dear to our
people and they're concerned about, such as in Mississippi, uh,
the lynchings and the violations of civil rights and and
all of the things that have been going on since
Immitil and before then, she is she She stands up

(03:06:25):
intelligently and forthrightly and advocates for those issues where other
candidates in the Democratic Party have have have shied away
from or won't touch it. I mean her her opponent
is a Uh, he's a he's a district attorney, he's
a law enforcement man. But but he he is not ignite.

(03:06:45):
He's not going knight the passion in the people for
what they yearn for in this hour, what the people
are yearning for us somebody that will stand up to
oppression somebody that will stand up for justice and equality,
and somebody that is not afraid. And somebody's just not
playing traditional politics. She's never ran for politics, now had

(03:07:05):
to be pushed into this role. And so she she
comes in inherently different. She's inherently different, inherently more uh progressive,
and and I don't think Differentia differentiating herself will be
a problem. From her name, from her name, it's just

(03:07:26):
it's just a mere opening to the doorway on just
how different and unique this is. You've never seen a candidate.
I predict that you've never seen a candidate that is
going to be as unique and strong as Priscilla Williams
teel all right, right.

Speaker 1 (03:07:43):
That council, because it was just about out of time.
And I want to give you a chance that folks
want to reach you because nowther folks got illegal issues.
They want to reach you. What do they do?

Speaker 3 (03:07:51):
Okay, you can reach me here. You can reach me
Attorney Shabbaz for Civil Rights and Personal Injuries, Civil Rights
and Personal Injuries. I'm two four oh sticks eight eight
zero seven three five. You can text two four oh
sticks eight eight zero seven three five. And my staff

(03:08:14):
is busy at work in the Civil Rights and Personal
Injury Department.

Speaker 1 (03:08:18):
Thank you, all right, thank you, and thank you Priscilla,
Thank you, John, and then good luck to all of you.
Thank you, you're.

Speaker 14 (03:08:24):
Welcome, You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (03:08:25):
Thank you very much for having as little all right,
family classes dimissed for the day. Stay strong, stay positive,
please please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also
on the DMV on FM ninety five point nine at
am fourteen fifty WOL

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