Attorney Shabazz & Dr. Barnett on Justice & Black Healing

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're Rocking with the Most Submissive The Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're Rocking with the Most Submissive.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
By Ran Rising Family. Thanks for starting your week with
us again. Later, the founder of the Black Lawyers for
Justice will check into our classroom. Attorney Malik Shabaz will
love dat us on the situation in Bakino Fassa, but
and more. Before we hear from Attorneymentlik will introduce you
to mental health expert doctor j Bonnett. Now he'll talk
about his new book and also his Black Men Mental

(00:55):
Health Tour. By the way, it's titled Just Heal bro
And momentarily DC activists from the group Piece of Hollies.
Brother Johann Abraham will also join us. But for us,
just get Kevin to open the classroom doors this morning,
Grand Rising, Kevin, Hey there.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Cairl Nelson, Grand Rising. Indeed, on this Monday, the twenty
first day of July, time is just sweeping away, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
What is one hundred, one.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Hundred and fifty something days left in the year. Man,
You know I've still got miles to go before I sleep.
I've got promises to keep. Remember that, Remember that point.
That was one of my favorite poems. How you feeling,
Carl Nelson? Now you feel I'm still learning, of course,

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but of course you are man. And with learning comes growth,
and with growth we realize it keeps your brain young,
right as you get this right to learn, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
You got to keep that brain. It's like a workout.
You know, some people play chess, you know Keron will
do crossroad puzzles, read a lot. You just got to
keep your brain stimulated.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yes, indeed, and it's not by watching the boob toobe
or the you know, the what is it? What was
the other word they used to call the television Anyway,
watching television can definitely kill a couple of brain cells.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
You know, it's true. But you know what, here's the
only thing too, Kevin. You can tell people who would
vibrate at that level, you know that that level low
vibration phone. Yeah, because the conversation, you know, like, I
hate to bring up your friend Donald Trump, but that's
that's the level he vibrates on, low energy.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Oh right, right, But he doesn't seem to be able
to separate from his own preconceived notion that it's all
fake news.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
It's all fake news.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
And speaking of which, he'll never seem to get away
or get out from under this Jeffrey Epstein fake news.
You know, he and his cabinet promised when they began
the campaign for this year that they were going to
get to the bottom of the of this whole thing
about Epstein and they were going to talk about in

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the list and all of that. Now, all of a sudden,
they claiming the list doesn't exist, and even many of
his supporters are now against them, up in arms. And
in an attempt to keep that news down, he found
a lawsuit against Paramount Right. Paramount owns CBS and the

(03:38):
Comedy's Central Channel, and he filed a lawsuit against them.
They settled for sixteen million dollars and part of that
settlement was to drop the late night show.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Hence no more Stephen Colbert.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
He'll be doing his last show in May, and they've
dropped the late night show. And for me, it's not
about Colbert, it's not about the legacy that David let
him in left. It just shows they will never be
a black host on late night, you know, ever since
or Cenia Hall left, that's been.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Trevor Noah.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, he was on, Yeah, that's right. He was on
the Comedy Central show Daily what was it, The Daily?

Speaker 3 (04:23):
But he was only on for a minute, you know,
in comparsision to the other guys.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
And he walked and he walked away, you know, by
his right. That's to me, that's a little different.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
And yet at the same time, yeah, he wasn't replaced
by another black person, and he was replaced actually by
the guy that was running it in the first play
who hired him, John Stewart.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
However, you know what, Kevin, you know what they they say.
They probably say, we can't find a qualified black person.
That's their their excuse every time, you know, we get
we don't get hired for a job or something, and
we're just not good enough where they can't find anybody
in our group that's really qualified to do the job.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
But well, now, to Colbert's credit, though, he had a
mostly black band, so you know, so the roots now
the roots are on that other show, but he had
a mostly all black band. So that still kept you know,
us working, kept the musicians working, if you will. So
I'm not gonna say it was lily lily white. It's

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just you know, you won't see a comedian, you know,
maybe of the elk of Dave Chappelle or something like that.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Oh that would be great, Oh man, Dave Chapelle hosting, Yes,
oh man, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
It would be incredible. You know.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Heck, I take Kat Williams for that. Anyway, it won't
happen because now it has been canceled that old late
night industry, and who knows what Paramount's gonna change it with.
And we could go on and on about why they
paid the sixteen million settlement when they really could have argued.
But in other news, you were talking about the fact

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that the Washington football team and the adventure to build
a new stadium is in question by the now now
standing president. I was going to come up with some
of the nicknames. But yeah, he said that unless they
change the name back to the name it was before,

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he's not going to help fund the RFK stadium rebuild.
What do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You know what's interesting you started that, Kevin, because weeks ago.
You know, again we're talking about using your brain, ye
read anything, but he listens, has people who listen. So yeah,
well I brought it up when it was you brought
it up.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
I brought it now all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
How he's trying, as you mentioned, he's trying to flect
from Epstein. So he's looking for different things. He's pulling
out the air, you know, you see even talking about
arresting Obama and that kind of stuff, even reprimi you know,
Obama being arrested in the Oval office or a picture
of Oboma in an orange jumpsuit behind bars. So he's
stretched picking for things now that to deflect so you

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won't talk about Epstein. So you suggested that he may
do that. He picked up on that suggestion, but I
thought that his I thought that his reservations were because
of the word commander. You see that. You know, I
was trying to give it some logic. You know, maybe
that's why he wanted to change the name of the team.
But he just literally wants to go back to that.

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And there's a leader of the American one of the tribes,
who agrees that that name was an honorary thing for
Native Americans. So man, that's gonna be you know, like
doctor Anda said, they always can find one person sell
us out, and it goes for the Native American too.

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They always can find one person who sell them out.
So there's nothing you know, special, they'll search high and
low till they find them, till they find Clarence Thomas
in the group.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
But go ahead, right and sometimes it's as simple as
a few dollars more.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Is that it? That's all it takes.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
But here here's what's interesting though. He said that to
Cleveland too, the Cleveland uh, the Guardians. They call him
to the baseball team and they told him where to
get off, you know. So they say they're not changing
because you know, they don't need him right now.

Speaker 6 (08:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I know they're trying to get a new stadium as
well in Cleveland. So we'll see how much he's going
to flex on the Cleveland baseball team.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Oh I did not realize, Dan, Oh yeah, okay. But
the war between Trump and his predecessors continues to anyway,
you know, because whether he's talking about Obama or Clinton's
talking about him, or he's everything is Biden's fault. And
it just seems that he does all of that and
blames them fault. As he said, all the all of

(09:02):
the bad things happened with the Democrats, all the good
things are happening under his regime. Even as Rustler strikes
the Ukraine with more missiles and drones.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
They seem to think that that's.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
A direct result of Trump announced that he was going
to send more weapons to the Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
And what do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Again, another deflective movie. You know, he's doing things, you
know what, I think it's a little stint in Hollywood
sort of spoiled him because he's always grabbing for headlines.
You know. He never tells anything really and thinks about it.
That's why they call him Taco. Trump always chickens out.
He'll just make pronouncements kevy like he just did, and

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then a couple of weeks it says, okay, I'll extend
it all right, right, we'll put that on hold. So
that's how I see that.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Oh man.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
And he makes it look easy too, by the way,
to just become the center of all of the news.
I don't understand. And when he gives a chance to
work as president.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Because he's been doing he just says, you know, he
said recently that he's one of his relatives taught Ted
Kaczinski the UNI bomber at m I T because he
had he just wants to, you know, people know that
he had one of his relatives was the professor of
m I T. So he had to he had to
embellish the little bit and says he taught Ted Kazinski

(10:26):
the unitbomber. Turns out Ted Kazink didn't go to MI
I T. He went to Harvard. So so he's he's
kind of embarrassed about that, but he doesn't, you know,
he doesn't explain it that the White House Press Secretary
Kevin doesn't come and say, oh, he just made a
slipper of tongue. He's a bold face lie, you know,
but he's so used to it, and you're right, he
just says it with you know, without any compunction. He

(10:49):
just looked if that that that Hollywood part of him,
he just says it. And people who don't do research
now because now the researchers that you mentioned earlier that
he went after the the layed show, anybody's who speaks,
somebody's the opposition, they're probably gonna get checked, and he
knows that just eliminate them one by one.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Your thought, Well, meanwhile, getting back to that whole thing
about Russia's strikes and Ukraine, and Ukraine is asking for
more help to get more weapons because President Donald Trump
hasn't delivered on that, but Moscow hasn't responded to Zelensky's
call for new negotiations, so there's no more peace in

(11:31):
the Middle East, you know, and except you know, through
these delays otherwise. But we've got doctor Abraham standing by,
So all right, I appreciate your time and letting me
get that out of my system there, Carl.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
All right, and thank you, Kevin, thank you for keeping
us up today. What's trending this morning? All right, Islama
Lake and brother Jeha Abram, welcome to the program.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
From good morning. How are you doing better?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
We're still learning, brother John, We're still learning. But help
us out here because you're a member of a group
called Piece of Hollics, and people in Washington, d C.
Know that group very well, but people around the country
don't know it. So tell us how that group got
started and give us a little bit of your background.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yes, sir, a Piece of Halics was started back in
two thousand and four right here in Washington, d C.
And we we started to deal with some of the
neighborhood and crew violence that had been impacting our city
in a very negative way, and mostly it was with

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young people, teenagers, and we started working and Anthony Wynd
was the mayor at the time, and in his State
of the District address he talked about how we had
impacted during that year, the violence decreasing about thirty four percent,
And so that's what brought us to the local light

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and then eventually national spot like around the work that
we were doing in re entry. And I got my
start doing this kind of work in Washington, DC, working
with our Malik Farakahn, and I was a part of
CEP Don't smoke the brothers and sisters.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
All right? As things changed since that then when when
when Pieter Hollick started How do you see the violence
in DC? Does it ebb and flow or is at
a continuous basis?

Speaker 7 (13:28):
So too much of my just may What I learned
UH doing the process of this work is that the
government really interfered with the work that we were doing.
A lot of things happened, and it became we became

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polarized because of our political affiliation with that time current
mayor UH Adrian Finchy, and then those who wanted Adrian
to go U decided to attack us because we had credibility,
you know, on the ground, and it was really it

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was disheartening because that was led by black local official
elected officials.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Why was it dishartener Because you're trying to keep the peace,
you're trying to keep down the crime in DC. Why
would why would somebody be upset about that?

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Well, we ended up like goldfish swimming with shots. We
didn't understand politics, and because our allegiance with the man
at that time brought people into politics who weren't normally
paying attention to politics, we became a threat to the

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local establishment, and they told us that we were pay
I mean, I just didn't understand what they were taking
talking about, and I didn't think that some of those
people would jeopardize the work that was being done because
we had taken up, you know, well over one hundred
young people that were in neighborhood crews that were known

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by MPD in DCTs to be a problem young people.
We took you know, well over one hundred to college,
and you know, some of them have since graduated from college,
an attorney, a few mass degree social workers. I mean,
you know, we had some of the worst of the

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worst in this city and our program really you know,
and today even when we talk to people as we
moved around the city to call for the work we
were doing. Is just uh man, you just wouldn't believe
the amount of conversations were still having.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well hold out the word. Then we're got to step
aside for a few minutes. We'll come back when we
come back, though, because a question I asked you, has
the situation changed how you see it? From being part
of Piece of Hollics when you started keeping the peace
on the streets of Washington, d c. Back in the
early two hundreds to do today twenty twenty five. As
the situation changed because people have grown up, probably those
who are involved in all of that kind of behavior,

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you know, they've grown up and become more you know,
sustainable individuals. And I do participate in that kind of
behavior now. So I want you to talk about that
when we get back. Family, you tubo can't get in
on this conversation. Brother Jaha, reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixthe
we'll take your phone calls next. These are brothers and

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sisters who go around and try to keep the peace
in the area, and hopefully we have Piece of Holics
in every city, especially in our communities. That's where they
that's where they operate. So, brother Jahara, my question to you,
have you seen a difference between when you guys started
for what's the crime and all the other stuff that's
going on in the in Washington, d C? Now since
you started, has it been a difference or the same level?

Speaker 7 (17:01):
So, I think it's probably it goes up and down,
but in general, I think it's the same. Most of
it that we dealt with was we figured over time
and studying what was going on. There were crimes mostly
of poverty and because we have not been serious and

(17:23):
when I say we am talking about the leadership has
not been serious of bridging the gap the wealth gap
in Washington, d C. And I'm sure it's the same
around the country. We have a poor education system and
lack of opportunities for people who are deriving or coming

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up through this poor educational system, then you're gonna come
then you know, you're just gonna end up with these
kind of situations and the ones that we deal with
with this violence, really it's become recreation to young pe
and so yeah, so that's what we face with and
it's almost like when you get on the Highway and

(18:07):
you leave in DC and you say you're going to
New York, but you jump on ninety five South. The
likelihood that you getting to New York is not good
unless you have the courage to make a U turn
at some point and turn around. And I think in
our city that's what we're faced with right now. You
have people over top of these things who are not

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subject matter experts, so they're not able to really implement
the leadership that's needed. In fact, the subject matter experts
work underneath people who just have jobs. And being a
piece Ofholic was a lifestyle. It's a commitment to changing
the environment. That's not a nine to five opportunity. And

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I think most people who are working in that space
right now apply for a job. And really what we
were doing was a ministry.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yes, it certainly was. Well, let me ask you this, though,
other groups or persons who will benefit from the continuous
crimes in our communities, can you identify any of them?

Speaker 7 (19:19):
Ask me that question.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Again, other groups or persons who will benefit from the
crime that continuous crimes in our community?

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (19:29):
I think in Washington, DC, the Judiciary Square. I mean,
it's a multip billion dollar industry. When you go there,
the alarm and number of boys and men that are
involved in judiciary Square in the court system, whether it's
through Child and Family Services or the criminal division is alarmman.

(19:53):
And so that's who of the beneficiaries. And we watch
these children transition from juvenile detention, uh, juvenile supervision and probation,
to the DC jail and then to the Federal Bureau
of Prison. So if it's a beneficiary, I would say that, uh,

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it's the multi billion dollar operation in judiciary square.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah. And you know what, brother John, You go through
any major city in this country and do your look
or go to the court system. Most of the people
that look like us. You know. I'm just wondering, is
this is this by default? Or just is this by
or do you think it's this way it's it's created
to be. Do you think we're targeted or is you know?

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I have this conversation with Armstrong Williamson. He says, man, well,
maybe we're committing more crimes. That was his excuse. What's
your What do you think?

Speaker 7 (20:51):
I think that the crime is less, but I don't
think that I think that we should be holding the
people who making these decisions over the budget and not hiring,
not being serious about subject amount of experts. The fact
one of the painful things I believe, brother call is
I think some of this stuff is intentional. Like I

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I mean, because I just couldn't imagine the kind of
people that would sit at the table and make decisions
that impact people's lives.

Speaker 8 (21:25):
Just so recklessly.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Like you wouldn't just take a guy that's been a
chef for thirty years and make him the police chief.
Right in order for you to become the police chief,
you would have to have extensive experience and law enforcement,
a certain level of education. And you know, but the
people that they put over top of juvenile it's almost

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like the dumping ground in the government.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, let me ask you this question. Oh, let me
just say this. Later this week we're going to have
the founder of the National Conference of Black Man's Johnny
Ford's going to join, and that's one of the questions
we're going to ask him, because you know, many of
these these cities are held by these major cities at
least you know, black individuals, black black they have black mayors,
and they all seem to have a similar problem. And

(22:13):
you know, the question of whether it's intentional, whether there's
a there's a hidden hand here moving trying to start
some gentrification. You know, those are things I look at him.
Maybe maybe he has a better idea of what's going on,
since he founded it, you know, the Conference of Black Mayors.
So that's why I pose that question to you. But
if that's the case. Even if that's the case, what

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can we do. We've got we've got piece of Hollicks
in Washington, d C. What actually do you do? Did
you patrol the streets? Did you wear uniforms, you know,
like the Guardian Angels like in New York. I hate
to use that as a comparison, but how do you guys,
how do you give us an idea what you guys
do to tap down the crime in the district.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
So what would be is we had something called the
Triangulin one where we had people that worked with us
in the institutions, meaning in the jails you and hole
an adult. We had people working in the schools, and
we also had people working in the community. So that

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gave us a direct line on all of the people
who had problems or issues anything going on. Like for
certain like we knew that if kids were not going
to school, that they would likely be, you know, involved
in the criminal justice system at some point. If they
were getting in fights in the neighborhood, they would running

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to us or run away from us, and then eventually
when they're in detention, they say, man, you know, we
can't get away from y'all. So that was our approach,
and while they were in detention, we would do things
to help their families, make sure if mom needed help
with the PEPCO bill or need to help getting a

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resume done to apply for a job.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
We was able to.

Speaker 7 (24:01):
Connect this underserved community and population to government opportunities. And
I don't think the government do a good enough job
of making that stuff happen.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Family is just waking up, I guess twenty eight after
Tom Davis brother Jehann Abraham is from the group called
Piece of Holics. They can control the streets in Washington, DC,
trying to keep the trying to get the district safe
if you will. And here's the deal, it's up to us.
It's our people doing this to our people, so we
can't depend on the police. Having said that, though, brother Jehan,
how's your interaction with the Metropolitan Police in DC?

Speaker 8 (24:38):
So back when.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
We were really active, our relationship was hot and cold.
We would have information sometimes that they would need to
help close cases, but that wasn't our job, that wasn't
our agenda to lock people up. That was their job.
And so sometime if we had information that they needed,

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it would make it very you know, tense sometime in
our conversations and our relationships because we were not there
to arrest people or help people get arrested. So sometimes
it made it kind of tough.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, but were they helped, were they welcoming your group?
Did they see you the as an ally in helping
to keep the piece, or did they see you as
sort of so obstruction I so that you were getting
in their way.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
I think it was a little bit of both.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
Because we got some of their budget to do prevention,
and nobody likes their budget to be infringed upon. So yeah,
we got we interfered with the budget to some degree,
and then, like I said, when it came time to
close cases, sometimes they looked at us as, you know,
people that could help, because we might have information. But

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my job was to change the hearts and minds of
the people. Seeing every neighborhood. Once you arrest the guy
and lock a guy up for his interaction and a
sad crime with another neighborhood. When you lock him up,
the next guy steps up. You know, it's the next
man up. And so that's problematic for me because then

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the cycle never stops, like you lock this guy up,
but now his neighbor, his cousin steps up to become
the man in that neighborhood. So it really doesn't fix
the problem.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Thirty minutes out of the top of that our foundly
know some of you just getting up this Monday morning.
I guess his brother Jaha Abraham, he's from the group
called Piece of Hollis and they patrol the States of Washington,
d C. They started patrolling the States of Washington, d C.
When crime got out of hand and they try to
tamp that down, trying to stop it before these especially
young people, before they get him down the wrong side
of the street. And then then I have to deal

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with it with the police, and that's and get involved
in the system. But brother Jahara, let me ask you
this question, though you know it, we're dealing with the
young people. So the youngsters, not the adults or the
career criminals, just the youngsters who are probably just being
mischievous or some people would call it. Some people say
they're committing crimes, and then some of them would just
probably say they're having fun. How do you see the

(27:13):
young people the attraction? Is it peer pressure? How do
you see them join, especially for those who join gangs?
Is it peer pressure? The causes of this.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Well absolutely involves studies. I mean, even if you have
children that are not necessarily committing crime, but if you
have children in college or children in the military, young
people are more likely to listen to and cooperate with
their peers and they are with adults. I mean, whether

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they're doing right or wrong. I mean, you know, I
see it on both sides. I have so many children
that I have taken to college and I watched them,
you know, migrate and integrate into what's going on on
college campus. So yeah, I would say yes, the need
to belong, the need to be a part of something

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plays a large role in it.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Well, you know what, where we talk about a lot
on this program, it's about solutions, you know, because a
lot of times we talk about the problems, and we
all know what that problem, so they keep bidding up
the problems and pointing fingers. But let's get to the solution.
Brother Jahar, Where does this start from?

Speaker 5 (28:27):
Where?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Where? How does this manifest yourself? For these young people
to say that I want to do something that's inappropriate.
If you guys have looked into that, where does it start?
Is it because that many some are from single family homes,
or or some just don't care? Or is it gang pressure,
prayer pressure, were Let's get to the root of the problem.
How do you see where? Where does it all start?

Speaker 7 (28:47):
So again, not one hundred percent, but because some of us,
I mean when I was getting in trouble. When I
was young. I grew up in a nice single family
home in northwest Washington, d C. My grandparents were present,
my mom was president, my father was incarcerated, so I
had enough things to help keep me occupied. But I

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chose to be interested in things that I probably shouldn't
have been interested in. So I wouldn't say anything as
one hundred percent. But as I started to grow and
we moved out of Northwest and we moved to southeast,
I saw that the decisions that other ten years had
to make just to live was different than the way

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I grew up, and so I began to be introduced
to poverty. And I will tell you that most of
the crimes and the decisions that we make are born
in poverty. And then it's a system of care that
continues to reinforce that bad condition. And so in DC,

(29:59):
every year our council member and Ward eight has to
fight with the chair of the board because the school's
budgets are you know, always consistently under attack to reduce
a quality the standard of care for children in the
nation's capital. And we have more children in Ward eight

(30:23):
than any other ward in the city. So you would
think that our budget would be greater and the support
services would be greater, but in fact it's not.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, and back to Solutions are twenty six away from
the top the ale with Jahanna Abraham. Back to solutions though,
is money? The answer is it? If you come up
because you mentioned that, you know, the city council and
the Ward eight and Ward seven or Ward seven probably
the most neglected ward in Washington, DC.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
But he's money.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
The answer though, is it providing jobs or for these
young folks, give them something to do other than you know,
put up a basketball hoops so they can shoot basketball.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
What is he?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
What do you think the answer is so?

Speaker 7 (31:00):
I think the answer I think the crime that was
committed against the black community and the Comprehension plan back
in the early eighties was when they decided to take
vocational education out of public schools. Because essentially, what you
were saying that if you were not going to college,
that you would then leave to go work for a

(31:23):
minimum wage job at a CBS or you know something
like that, or if you was fortunate you could get
into government at the entry level position, or you was
going to the street. And what we saw as a
large number of black boys choosing to go to the

(31:44):
street because the talent that they had, it was nowhere
to grow that talent. And what do I mean by
that when you start putting labels on us? And I
believe this has done intentionally. You know, it happened to
me as an eight year old. I was spit out
of up to school because of my behavior and my
mother refusing to put me on ritling back in the

(32:07):
early seventies, and I watched all these young people be
stuffed in classrooms around this city with ips IP is
an individual education plan. Well, it would cost too much money,
according to them, to give these young people the individual
attention they need that it is required by law in

(32:30):
the individual education plan. So because I can't read on
grade level, and because I can't do math on grade level,
I start acting up in class. I start doing things
to get put out so that I never have to
be put on the spot, to be made to feel
bad because I can't read and explain what I just

(32:52):
looked at. So a lot of this stuff, it kind
of convolutes a young person's mind. And then if you
don't have the confidence, you don't believe that you can
do things this way, it becomes less of a problem
to be involved with a neighborhood crew or a gang

(33:15):
or that kind of thing. It's easy to be accepted
over there, especially if you don't have the support and
the balance at home that you need.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Right, I know that thought. Right there, we got a
step aside for a moment and get caught up with
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Speaker 1 (33:40):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks of waking up with us
on this Monday morning at sixteen minutes away from the
top of the how I guess is Jeha Abraham. He's
part of a group called Piece of Hollis so they
keep the peace in the streets of Washington, d C.
Before we go back to the elementary, reminds you come
up later this morning. We're going to joined by the
founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. That'll be Malik
sha Boss is going to update us on the situation
and Bikino Fosso and much more as well. Also, before

(34:26):
we go to attorney the Lague though, we're gonna have
a new guest that we're gonna introduce you to, doctor
j Barnett. He's a mental health expert, to talk about
his program Just Healed, Bro and talk about mental health
and some of the issues we're discussing right now with
brother Jahara. We're going to talk about with doctor Barnett
as well. And later in the week you're going to

(34:47):
hear from the founder of the National Conference of Black Mans.
I'll be Johnny Ford. Also the President General of the
Universally African People's Organization, His brother Zaki Brudy will check
in from Saint Louis and activists attorney Barbara onryand WLOSO Johnny. So,
if you are in Baltimore and make sure rate us
locked and tied on ten ten WLB or if you're
in the DMV, run ninety five point nine and am

(35:09):
fourteen fifty w L All right, brother Jahar, you said
your mother refused to put you on riddling. Looking back,
do you think that would have been a smart move
to put you on riddling?

Speaker 7 (35:20):
Absolutely not. It's like I think, as I've grown to be,
you know, fifty seven years old, I believe all of
us have attention deficit disorder. Things we interested in, we
pay attention to. Things we're not interested in, we don't
pay attention to. So I think that was the beginning

(35:42):
of my course to you know, to try with the
course to become who I have become. I watched a
lot of talented young black people be misdiagnosed, and parents
not know better, they end up giving their children drugs,
and their children and uh uh, it's a direct correlation

(36:05):
to children continuing to use drugs throughout their teenage years
and self medicate.

Speaker 8 (36:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Well, let me let me add this because I've spoken
educators about this and they think that they're against it,
just like your mom was against it. But they said,
the problem was is what the teachers are teaching this.
If it's something that that you know, stimulates these these
young minds, they will gravitate to it. It's that there's
a there's a misconnection here with our children, you know,

(36:33):
they said, some of our chi little more visual than
than oral. You know. They like to see, you know, something,
they like to see something pretty. They like to see it,
you know, photographic, rather than something that that they hear
the drawn, drawn of the voice of the teacher just
is tune out. So I'm just wondering how much of
that is involved in it. And it's just they said,
particularly for black students. I've heard that from black educators.

(36:56):
How much of that is a part of the place
You think that you when and you an age group
and you were going to school, the teachers wasn't you know,
teaching as the sound of Teddy Pene teachers had to
teacher right thing then they weren't doing it. How much
of that is in play you think, so.

Speaker 7 (37:12):
I think definitely you have to teach a new way.
Everything a Ford Bronco today is not the same as
it was in nineteen ninety four. I mean a computer
is not the same. Like everything is changing and evolving
except for the way we educate or the way we train.

(37:33):
And so I don't you know, I have major problems
with it. I think people create a problem and then
they blame the people who are the victims of the problem,
and then they come up they further compounded with inadequate solutions,
and then I don't think it's enough people to fight

(37:58):
the situation because they don't think that they are capable
of fighting. I was speaking with from one of my
cousins who's educated, he's a doctor, and we were just
kind of talking about the dismantling of the Department of
Education and sending it back to the States, and I

(38:20):
was saying, I can't understand what people are fighting for,
because clearly in the inner city, where we're sending more
black boys to death into prison than to college, clearly
what we've been doing for the past forty years has
not been working. And so to me, to continue to

(38:40):
do the same thing and get the same results. To me,
it's just insanity to continue to waste money unless these
are the intended results.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
All right, to away from the topic, just checking in,
I guess is Johanna Abraham from the group Piece of
Hollicks in washingt d C. Just mentioned though, Johan do
you think that's done deliberately or do you think they
just just don't sort of benign they just don't care
about our children.

Speaker 7 (39:08):
I think it's that they don't care about our children.
But I think that the onus is on us to
care about our children. And when black people in the
black community say, I mean, we just go along with
these slogans that the people that I label was the
fbe the fake black elite, we go along with these slogans,

(39:34):
like they say, Trump is a threat to democracy. I
think us not showing up to community meetings, being a
part of the PPOs, being a part of civic associations
of voting in Southeast Washington, DC, where there's eighty seven
thousand people on record living in Southeast eight thousand people

(39:56):
showed up to vote in a special election the other day.
I think us not doing our civic responsibility is the
biggest threat to democracy in America.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, but a tent away from the time for our
brother Jama. How do we get out people moving though
it seems like we're stuck in this inertia. Just don't care.
We just don't believe it makes a difference if we vote,
whether we go to the school board meetings. They just
don't think they'll just think that they have a dog
in any of the fights that have gone around. They just,
you know, just well, just leave me alone. Let me
just try to maintain and stick by myself and every

(40:29):
mind for himself. How do we change that mentality in
our community?

Speaker 7 (40:34):
So to me, I think that young people as young
as sixteen should be.

Speaker 10 (40:41):
Allowed to vote.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
Are they allowed to get a driver's license and essentially
build these major decisions when you put a sixteen year
old behind the wheel of a car, if they're able
to get a driver's license, they should be able to vote.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
And let me interrupt you right there again on that.
What makes you think the sixteen year old will vote?
And you've got the twenty and the twenty five, and
thirty and forty and fifty and the sixties won't go
to the pollst what makes you think the sixteen year
old will go to the post. He doesn't see his
parents going to the province.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
So we revolutionize the system by putting young people in
it while they're in school. See, we have to make
this more like. We have to help them see where
they play a part, where they play a role, and
if this becomes a part of a school exercise. You know,
for example, in DC, we have taxation with our representation

(41:35):
and we just put it on a license plate. I
think it would be an incredible civic experience or government
experience for young people to start going down to the
capitol to ask why should I grow up in the
city that we paid some of the highest taxes in
the country and we don't have a vote. But America

(41:56):
is fighting for democracy and freedom to free other people
in other countries all over the world.

Speaker 8 (42:03):
Why would we do that?

Speaker 7 (42:05):
See the way we dealt with segregation and all of
those things in the sixties, young people led the charge.
So I think the education system has been gigged intentionally
to keep young people out of the process. And so
if my parents are not involved, because in the sixties

(42:26):
a lot of parents wasn't involved, and the people around
doctor King went directly and started working with children and
young people find their greatness through work like this man.
So I don't think we should ever discount that.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
All right, family, it's ate away from the top, just
checking in our guess. His brother Jaha Abraham is part
of the group called Piece of Hollics in Washington, d C.
And they patrol the streets of the district. They're trying
to keep the crime down. And you mentioned the fact
is that we should turn a lot of this attention,
a lot of these responsibilities of as a youngster's teenage
they should be able to vote. But you know, brother Jaha,

(43:03):
back in the day, you know when you started Piece
of Holics, there was no the Internet was in its
early stage. Now it's exploded. We got AI, artificial intelligence
on the scene. You got games that the youngsters can play,
and some of their minds get turned around by some
of the stuff that they see on the internet that's
not true. How are you going to compete with what's
being put out on the internet to what's real, to reality?

(43:27):
How are you going to compete for that for the
minds of our young people.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
Well, I just say I'm not sure that I look
at that as a deterrent. I'm looking at the adults
not being able to handle what's on the internet, but
the young keeper are the most affected. One of the
greatest things that we did every day was provided food
to young people. And when judges and public defenders and

(43:52):
people that came over to evaluate our program would come
over and see hundreds of kids at our program from
war in neighborhoods every day after school, they wondered, what
were you guys doing. These children don't show up in
other programs that they mandated to go to by the court.
But the main thing we did was we provided a

(44:14):
safe environment and we fed children every day. So the
basic needs are not being met for our children, the
basic needs. In fact, I volunteered the junior high school in.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Washington, d c.

Speaker 7 (44:30):
Johnson Junior High School, and this junior high school is
probably the only junior high school I know that as
over one hundred black boys consistently have a three point
zero consistently and the school have less than five hundred students,
so twenty five percent of the population on the honor roll,

(44:55):
and at least I'm sure it would be forty percent
of the boys in the school because most of them
associated with the athletic program. You would think a school
like that is getting ultimate support from a city like this,
Well it doesn't. In fact, they had a combine a
couple of weeks ago where all the private schools. I've

(45:17):
never seen anything like this before. Bishop Gorham came from
the West coast from Vegas. They had people to come
from IMZ in Florida to recruit black boys from Southeast Washington, DC.
The starting quarterback at Gonzaga graduated from Johnson. A couple
of years ago, the starting quarterback from Roosevelt graduated from Gonzaga.

(45:42):
Carrol's quarterback graduated from gon I mean, I'm sorry, Carrol's
quarterback graduated from Johnson Junior High School. So what I'm
telling you is legacy work being built right over in
Southeast and up until last up until about two months ago,
they had more potholes on their field for the last

(46:03):
couple of years than Alabama Avenue had. While we're trying
to give the commanders two billion dollars to build a stadium.
This is what we think of young black boys in Southeast.
So if we continue this, it's insane for us to
blame the children.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
You know what. Yeah, We're come up on a breakfast
and well you know, it's interesting you said that, and
I'm glad to hear the success stories because that helps
to sell the program. But some of the folks that
have been successful, they don't have to be at that
level as you mentioned that, but just successive personal success.
Do they ever come back and help you? Do they

(46:45):
become part of a piece of hollics.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
I had lunch on Saturday with the young attorney. They
used to be the leader of a through out of
Congress Park when she was a child and was expelled
out of DC public schools and went through job Corps,
And when she finished job course, she told me she

(47:10):
wanted to go to college, and we facilitated taking her
to college. And when she was when she finished undergrad
she said, I'm going to law school and she graduated
from Howard a couple of years ago. She's working in
the Attorney Office of Attorney General in Washington, DC today.
So absolutely, we meet and engage them. In fact, they're

(47:31):
really the answer to the problem. Like I remind them
of how they were neglected and failed by this system.
They have the answers. They have to be inserted back
into that space where they can help young children. That's
going through what they went through.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
All right, hold that though right there, we got check
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Speaker 1 (48:11):
You're fucking with the most awesomemiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
You're fucking with the most awesomeiss.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Ran Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us too.
After the top of that with our guest that Jahan Abrahm.
He's from the group called Piece of Hollics in Washington,
d C. I amoshere. We're going to bring in doctor
Jay Barnett. We're going to introduce you to Barnett. He's
a motivational speaker and a mental health expert. Some of
the issues we're discussing this morning too, right in exactly
where he will share with us as well. But uh

(49:04):
Jahar Mark is calling from Baltimore and he's wants to
join the conversations online too, Grand Rise and market on
with brother Jehara Abram.

Speaker 11 (49:13):
Hey, Graham, Rose and Carl and guests and thank you brother.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
For what you're doing.

Speaker 11 (49:18):
It's it's just like doctor Bundley said, we are us
here in Baltimore, Doctor Bunley, Captain Andrew and and Captain
Andrew did a he did a talk yesterday, Carl, and
he explained exactly what we're doing with these young people,
because you got a lot of people that just talk.

(49:38):
And he talked about we are bringing these young people
up to be entrepreneurs, to change their lives around a
lot of them and drug addicted homes and all that
kind of stuff. And he talked about medication. It depends
on on the situation. But Carl, the guy called that
after met Friday when I was talking to you and said,
I said that that the uh, the crime is that

(50:02):
is up. I know this is what I always say
called I say the lawlessness, and I know that brother
can identify the lawlessness that's.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
Going on.

Speaker 11 (50:14):
Is going is going up enough and up and here
in Baltimore, we said five more people overdose, you know,
after the twenty seven people. So we gotta do we
gotta do, uh, we gotta do solutions. But Carl, when
the brother come on for malice Shabbaz, this is the
question and for you too, brothers Uh Melina or doctor

(50:37):
Malina Abdullah. Grass Roots, black Lives Matter, grass roots has
been hot that one hundred million dollars uh and then
ten to twenty million dollars a year, and it seems
like me and Carl is the only ones upset about that.
Captain Andrews said yesterday called it they the Muslim brothers

(50:57):
and them did the work for eighteen years without money.
It takes money to help people, and we got money
in the after meeting. It's been hot yet. And she
said that we don't.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
They don't.

Speaker 11 (51:07):
We don't have the lawyers like they had. Well, we
got Malice to Bobs and all kind of brilliant lawyers.
Why aren't we doing anything about getting that money back
to our communities and back to our grassroough organizations like
yours that's helping people in Baltimore City and DC and
all around America.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
All right, we'll ask at Tourney of Leak when he
comes on. Thanks, thanks Mark, thank you, and Uh brother Jahifi,
I familiar. What he's talking about is the Black Lives Matter.
There's two Black Lives Matter. There's Black Lives Matter Grassroots
because the other one hijacked the phrase, the term, the
group name, and they've been raising millions and millions of dollars.

(51:45):
He probably short in the news using this money to
buy mansions and you know, automobiles and take these exotic
trips instead of using it to help out, you know,
our communities. And and and and doctor Milna Abdullah, who
we mentioned that she was a vice presidental candidate with
Cornell wesht that and she's been on several times telling

(52:06):
how how much money is being lost in that money
could have been poured back into our communities. So my
questions you and I asked this again is money the
answer with that money have made a difference as far
as keeping down the violence in Washington DC. Your thoughts, So, I.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
Think resources are definitely needed, But again it starts at
the top. To me, we don't have a lot of
black people in leadership with great integrity and character. That's
to me, I don't I've been in a lot of
meetings with a lot of people and they're doing somebody

(52:44):
else's agenda and so like a lot of us are
left out here to find for ourselves. Uh, and we
think that all skin folk are kinfolk, and they not.
And I think Doctor King tried to warn us just
in overall humanity when he said, don't judge a man
by the color of his skin, judge him by the

(53:06):
content of his character. He wasn't just talking about white men,
or he would have said that. He said, don't judge
a man. And I think often because people are black
and they look talented, or they appear to be talented
and bright, and they get in front of us and
they talk a good talk, I think we continuously fall

(53:27):
for that, and that's why we don't really have the results.
You know, I'm one of the biggest critics of the
Congressional Black Caucus. I don't to me, I don't see
them doing meaningful things to help in their districts around
the country. I watched Glenn Ivy go to El Salvador

(53:50):
for some guy in prison, but I know he hasn't
visited Upper Marlborough, where the conditions are bad in his
own county, where the programming is lacking, where I get
calls from the men that's incarcerated over there weekly talking
about how bad the conditions are. So I just think man,

(54:11):
we need a leadership overhaul in a bad way.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
All right. Hold that's all right, because we got to
get to doctor J. Barnett. But TM's calling from DC
wants to speak with you real quick online, too, grand rising, TM.
Can you make it quick for us?

Speaker 12 (54:26):
Yeah, good morning, real quickly.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Here the who the.

Speaker 12 (54:29):
Experts were at that particular time, piece of holics, they
were the experts.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
Now you talk to.

Speaker 12 (54:36):
The experts, okay. And they were brought into d C
ninety nine percent black or leadership, and they were successful.
Call it simply the too good factor. It's not a
money issue. See, if you're successful and you're black, they're
gonna find a way to get rid of you. CENTI

(54:57):
is the individual of the men that brought them in.
How did they get in? They got him with some
indiscretions type of situations and then piece of Harricks was gone. Okay,
so you can bring it back, they can change your name.
But you got to have people who are impactful like
this gentleman and his colleagues who were working in the

(55:17):
school system at that time. They were successful and most
of all, they were powerful. A witness is first hand.
I told you when you had Ron Mowton on the show.
He was in. Those folks were in my classroom when
I taught in DC public schools, and they were also.

(55:37):
I just wanted to share that successful, impactful and powerful
and that young lady who came off the program who
read the ways for howding in law school A they
sent their war.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
To get some training.

Speaker 13 (55:53):
Whose job corps.

Speaker 12 (55:54):
That's what DC does when they see that you got
the memo, dare walk with you, don't bring her back
and now she's a role What more can I say? Awesome,
Broba pretending outstanding presentation today. Thank you, Carl, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
All right, thank you to you and jehar Be. Before
we'll let you go. How can folks reach you if
they want to help you, if they want to in
your question for peace on the streets of Washington, d C.
If they want to join Piece of Hollics and the one,
and they've got some resources that can share with you
as well. How can I get in touch with you?

Speaker 7 (56:28):
So my website is Abraham for Ward eight.

Speaker 8 (56:33):
And my email.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
Address is Jahar Abraham and gmail dot com. And my
phone number is two O two three five five five
five two five.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
All right, thank you brother, jahah, because you know, you
saw a problem and you went out there try to
fix it. So we appreciate what you've been doing. And
you've been doing it for quite some time as well,
so I just appreciate what you're looking at for our
young people.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
Thank you, sir, Thank you man.

Speaker 7 (57:02):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
All Right, Family ten at the top there, and I'm
going to introduce you to a next guest here. He's
a mental health expert. It's a motivational speaker. His name
is doctor J. Barnett, grind Rising, Doctor Barnett, Welcome to
the program.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
Good morning, Carl. How are you doing, sir.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
I'm still learning, doctor Barnett. I'm still learning. But doctor Barnett,
we have a ritual here, Yes, sir, we have a
ritual here for our new guests. Before we get into
we'd like to use to give us a little bit
of your background so folks know that you're the real deal.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Yes, sir, I am a former pro athlete turned marriaging
family therapist, have a Master in Marriaging Family Science license
in the state of California, and then I hold a
doctorate uh in healthcare administration, and so I've been in
a mental health field. Now about seven eight years At.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
What point did you decide that this is you know,
you said you were a professional athlete with a football, baseball, basketball,
or whatever it's sport.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
It was yeah, yeah, football, Yeah you fotball player, yes, sir?
And so what what led to me enter into the
mental health fields where my own struggles? After leaving the
football I was an nf NFL free agent and bounced
around a lot and played a couple of years in
arena football as well.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
But what what I realized called is that like myself
and other men that use our athletic abilities, uh, sort
of as a defense mechanism and a way to cope.
So it was a way that I was able to
shield myself from the memories of childhood trauma. But then

(58:38):
was also the way that I identified myself. And then
when I couldn't play football, uh, you know, and and
not and as you know, sometimes you know, not everyone
gets hurt, just sometimes it just doesn't work out. And
and when you bounce around a few times, you just
don't fit in a couple of teams systems and you
kind of find yourself on outside. So for me, the
difficulty was not knowing who to be without the helmet

(59:03):
and found myself in a very dark space. And as
I have shared, as I have traversus Country, shared my
story of surviving to suicide attempts as a young black man,
and found myself not only going to therapy, but finding
myself wanting to explore more about how could I you know,

(59:23):
as you just said, keep learning, but how can I
grow outside of my experience and my challenges.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Wow, before we get into a lot of that thirteen
out of the time, there our family just checking in.
I guess it's doctor j Bonnett, as mentioned, a former
NFL player. Now he's now he's a motivational speaker. It's
a mental health visionary if you willing. He's got a
new brook and a program just called just Heal Bro.
Before getting all of that thought, are there many professional
athletes or former professional athletes who have a problems adjusting

(59:52):
to life after the game All of a sudden, your
age sort of age out of the profession, whether it
be basketball ball and baseball. You've got your shill young,
You've still got something to do with many of them,
you know, not many of them, but some of them
didn't go through any went to school to playball, so
when they're playing day so is that an adjustment problem?
Is that something that you had to go through?

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
Absolutely? I think you know that is an adjustment whether
you're male or female. You know, no matter what sports
you're planning. What the challenge is is that when you're
an athlete, h there isn't any focus on anything outside
of what you do as an athlete. And as I
often tell parents, coaches don't develop people, they develop talent.

(01:00:34):
So when all of when all of your efforts and
all of your energy has been connected to what you
do as an athlete, and when you're left to be
a person, you have no tools. And I think what
we're seeing with so many athletes is that, you know,
we're giving them the bag. And I'm glad that these
athletes are, you know, getting paid and all those different

(01:00:56):
things and profit and off of their likeness, but we're
not send a lot of development when it comes to
who they are as a person. And it was very
difficult for me because again, the helmet defines you, the
basketball defines you, the back, the glove or whatever it
is that you do. So it's very challenging because you

(01:01:17):
don't have a frame of how to be a person
outside of the sport.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Fifty ninth on the top of every doctor Jay Bonnett.
But Doctor Bonnett, when do you say, in your rookie year,
do they have counselors who tell you that, you know,
this is just this is not forever, this is you know,
don't let the game define you who you are, because
this is not who you are. You just playing and
it's a game, and it's a game, and it's gonna
be Overso do they have those counselors for those rookies

(01:01:46):
who come in and say, hey, keep thinking about the future,
because with many of the professional athletes made a lot
of money, millions of dollars, and many of them end
up bankrupt after their playing days are over. Do you
get that kind of counseling when you do it start
or during your time the professional.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
You yes, I mean you have the rookie symposion and
you have all types of people from that shows up,
former athletes, current athletes. I mean, it's an experience. You know.
I was part of an initiative that the NFL had
years ago, was the NFL Clinical Summit, where you know,
we got to share space with other clinicians. But let's

(01:02:24):
take as an example, if you're in a black athlete,
for one, you're not going to be opening up and
sharing pertinent information and being vulnerable with a clinician or
a counselor that doesn't look like you. Number one. So
I did not also understand that this space and that
this opportunity, I pretty much have maybe a three to

(01:02:47):
five window to make as much money as I possibly
can in a short amount of time. So when you
talk about are the councilors to talk about that, Yes,
there's councilors there that are available, but mentally, you don't
think about accessing those individuals, and then you don't think
about accessing that space with individuals that don't look like you.

(01:03:10):
For that reason that my work has grown, and particularly
with black men, whether you're an athlete or not. If
you are a man that has worked a job for
twenty years and all of a sudden they give you
your walking papers, you're going to be stuck because most
of the time, as men, we identify ourselves by what
we do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah and hold that though right there, doctor bout it
we get to the short bread. We come back.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
That's true because a lot of people let their jobs
define who they are. That's not who they are family,
just checking in. I guess it's doctor Jay Bonnevy. He's
a mental health expert, especially dealing with the brothers. You
want to join the conversation, reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we can take a phone calls now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, Grand Rising Family.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning. Twenty
minutes after the top of that, I guess doctor j. Barnett.
Doctor Barnett is a former NFL football player. Now he
turns attention to become an author. He's also a motivational
speaker and a mental health advocate. If you will, doctor Barnett,
tell us a little about you growing up though, because
there's some of the stuff that that and it happens
to many of us. It happens and it starts in

(01:04:39):
our childhood. So can you share that with us?

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
So yeah, so I'll kind of give a reader dodges background.
I'm the son of a pastor and growing up and
watching a father uh pastor will but not father will.
And most of my trauma that I had incurred as

(01:05:04):
a child. Started in the childhood of just watching my
parents navigate through this interesting dynamic of what we lived
on Sunday wasn't what we lived Monday through Saturday. And
that did something to me psychologically. And when my parents divorced,
that broke me because I no longer had a model

(01:05:25):
of what I would become. You know, as a young
boy looking to my father, who I revered, who I
honored and admired, and that was.

Speaker 8 (01:05:34):
My role model.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
So when the role had ended for him as a
father or as a husband, he ended his role as
a father as well. So dealing with the rejections, dealing
with the abandonment, football became where I found my safe hazen.
And whether you are someone who's experienced divorce or someone

(01:05:58):
who's experienced abuse, neglect of whatever that trauma is, and
particularly for young males, because I'm sharing my story and
why I'm saying males, particularly when we lose sight of
who we're supposed to become. Whatever it's close to us,
we gravitate to. Now being a member of a family

(01:06:22):
of professional athletes, of course I gravitated to the game
of football, But for me, I was looking for a
father and then I was also looking for community. And
so when football ended, what most of us struggled with
as men who were trying to navigate outside of sports,
we struggled with not having community, not having the locker

(01:06:44):
room effect. And this is one of the things that
I love to encourage men. You need brotherhood, you need community.
I think this is what we see today with suicide
consistently rising amongst black males. There's no sense of community,
no sense of having the connection of a brotherhood. When
you think about what doctor King and even Brother Mathelman,

(01:07:07):
and as you guys was talking earlier, even just when
you're talking about in our community, we are together, but
we're not together, and we need community. We need agencies
to allow us to continue to grow and build our
mental our mental capacity.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
At twenty three at the top that what was some
of the traumas that you went through as a child
growing up or did you blame the parents' divorce on
you or how did you deal with all of that?

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
So some of the traumas just give an example, So
a quick story. I remember, you know, my father finishing
preaching in church and you know, we're riding home after
church and my mother questioned him about a lady. And
even now I can see my father getting upset and
I can see him not wanting to answer, and her

(01:07:58):
account of being you know, persist and asking him and
he just turned around and you know, started hitting her.
And so that was traumatic for me because again, I
had a very clear understanding of the church and who
God was and what my relationship was with scripture. So
if you read husband, love your wives as a kid,

(01:08:20):
and you saw your father doing anything other than loving,
that was a very traumatic experience, no different than what
we saw with George Floyd, no different than what we
saw that take Right and the civil rights movement. What
I tell people, when you see traumatic things, that is
just as traumatic as a person who's experiencing it, and

(01:08:41):
particularly for black people, we have not had an understanding
of how important the mental state of what your mind
does when you see these things. And that bothered me
because I'm saying to myself, how could you do this
to my mother when you just finished preaching to of
men and telling them to love their wives. So it

(01:09:03):
was totally contradictory. And then too, there was a conflict
in my mental capacity that led me to say, you
know what, I don't think this is right. So it
was hard for me to reconcile this as a child,
and that sat with me. And as I said, when
he divorced my mother, he divorced us as his children.

(01:09:23):
So I was longing for a father and longing for
a role model, and that really broke me. And so
you build up anger, you build up animosity. And when
I talked to local law officials and different people who
are working in the community, I often tell them, when
we see crime, you're seeing anger and pain, you're seeing

(01:09:47):
frustration because most of the young males that are committing
crime are looking for validation. And when we're not validating
and create a sense of anger. And if your anger
is not it becomes rage. And now you have a
generation of young people, or young males in particular, that

(01:10:08):
are in a mental health crisis because they don't know
how to process. They don't know how to regulate their emotions.
And anytime that you don't know how to regulate your emotion,
guess what if brother Carl stepped on my shoe, I
have no there's no thought to consider that. Why would
I take brother KAU's life for saying something? Or And

(01:10:30):
this is where we are So this is why we
have to process the trauma that is taking place in
our life. And if we don't, that trauma is going
to rule our life and cause us to make some
bad decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
All right, twenty get at the top of the our family.
Just check it in. I guess it's doctor Jay and
Barnett former football player and he's but now he's a
mental health advocate and it's also a motivational speaker. Talked
about trauma a doctor Barnett. I'm you talked about what
you thought about committing suicide twice? Is it difficult to
you to talk about? Is something you can share with

(01:11:05):
us this morning?

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Uh? No, Like you know, I shared my story all
over the world. I shared my book just here bro
and talk about attempting suicide twice and surviving it. I
moved to a place and you know, my second attempt
was at the age of thirty one. I'm forty three
years of age today. I've used my story of overcoming

(01:11:30):
to bring others out. I share the story because, particularly
when you're talking to men, Brother Kaul, if men don't
feel connected to your story, they can't receive your message.
So when I share my story, I often show my
wound so other brothers can see that their wounds are real.

(01:11:50):
So many men have not been validated in their story.
So many men have not been heard, So many men
have not been seen. So many men have been told
that they don't matter. And whether they heard that they
didn't matter, they felt that they didn't matter. Because if
you grew up in a household and someone did not
provide a safe space for you, you don't even know

(01:12:13):
what safe looks or feels like. So when I shared
my story, I shared my story so brothers can know
that you're not alone, So brothers can know that it's
okay to not be okay. And that's why the work
that I do in the mental health space, and that's
why I went back to school to become a therapist
and to understand how do we get people free, because

(01:12:38):
when we're trying to set people free politically, you cannot.
I just was on a panel at the Urbanly conference
with doctor Jamal Brian and some other great people and
Angela Rod and we were talking about, you know, their
initiative about the state of the people. But I think
what we've forgotten that you can't get to the state

(01:13:00):
of the people until you get to the state of
their minds, into their mentals. So we're trying to insert
or inject information into the minds of people, but their
hearts have been broken, and their hearts are broken because
they are just surviving because of the trauma. And I
believe that we are free physically, but we're not mentally.

(01:13:22):
So that's why I share my story because I want
people to be free mentally and that way you can
move from surviving to thriving.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Gotcha thirty minutes. I have the top of a family,
doctor Jay Bonnett. He's a mental health expert, Doctor Barnett.
In your book, you talk about, well, I guess we're
in you're a child having a meal and how you
were treated. Can you share that with us this morning?

Speaker 6 (01:13:47):
To say to get brother call?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
There was one of the first I want. I always said,
one of the first one of the stories that you
shared was when you were a child and there was
a time you went to one of your relatives' homes
to have a meal.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, when uh yeah, as a kid. Uh.
You know, I had an aunt who was fair skinned
and and you know, being a dark skinned kid, you know,
she did not like she did not like dark skinned kids.
And one of the traumatic things is that you know,
she we were at a family reunion. My parents did

(01:14:22):
not go with me. I went with my aunt and uh,
with my aunt and my uncle and she you know uh,
And I've shared the story, uh, you know online on
my podcast. My aunt Bessie, you know, she knew that
my parents was with me, so she knew no one,
you know, could fend for me. And she made me
sit outside and eat my pizza uh with her dog, uh,

(01:14:46):
which you know happened to be a black dog. Go figure.
And you know, I was born and raised in Mississippi
into Delta. And again that traumatic experience, as I shared it,
you know, on on my podcast, and so many people
resonated with their story and had experienced the same things,

(01:15:07):
both black men and black women. And again, I think
we have not shared enough stories to empower with others.
And that's why, as a man, I'm so open and
so transparent about the things that I've overcome, because you know,
when you share your stories of overcoming, it gives people hope,

(01:15:29):
It gives people an opportunity to believe again. And I
believe that there's so many individuals, there's so many adults
call that are walking around they're forty years old, but
they're really twelve in their minds, because you don't grow
and develop beyond the trauma that you've been doing, and

(01:15:50):
you have individuals that are still struggling with things in
their childhood. As a therapist, many times I've set with
patients and set with clients trying to unlock there today
because they're stuck in there yesterday and speaking that that
yesterday or wherever that trauma you know, incurred, and so

(01:16:13):
sharing that story, Man, it was tough because I'm a
dark skinned brother, and it did impact my confidence because
in my mind called how could you say this to
a young kid? Or not what can you say? But
how could you do this? Because now that led me
to believe that my dark skin wouldn't be appreciated. Now today,

(01:16:33):
I'm in a much better place mentally, obviously, but you
think about how many people have had that experience, you know,
in the black community, and they haven't been able to
say anything, and they are not able to show up
fully as themselves because they feel like their dark skin
or their light skin is a problem. And this is
why we have to continue to not just talk about

(01:16:56):
mental health, but continue to move this comfort station forward
because black people are not just trapped from the oppression
of white supremacy and from the oppression of a systemic system,
but there is oppression from our own wounds, of our
own people.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Wow, let me jump in here though, at twenty six
away from the top there, if you reconciled what happened,
have you figured out if you made peace with your auntie?
And and do you understand now why she treated you
the way she treated you?

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Absolutely? Absolutely, because this probably was her own experience. And
you know at that time, you know, she was fair skinned,
and so she probably grew up and again we grew
up in the South, so she grew up probably with
the thought that her light complexion skin was better because
white probably treated her better, and they probably did not,

(01:17:54):
you know, treat the darker skin folks better around her.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
Call it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
You can't do beyond what you've been taught. And what
you have been taught is what you would do if
you learn no different. So I've been able to reconcile
that which is now I'm able to share these stories
and share these parts of me. You'll be surprised of
the people who are in prison from their own stories

(01:18:24):
that they are afraid to share, and particularly in the
black community, because either somebody shut them down, someone did
not validate them stories, somebody told them to be quiet,
don't talk about this, don't say that. But man, I
believe in exposing those things and not exposing those things
to put the person on front street. But you got

(01:18:45):
to free yourself from it. That's why I'm able to
stand in my truth today and travel all over the
world and share this because I can tell you this,
I've never seen a black man that can speak about
mental health, speak about this story, speak about his childhood,
won't speak about the things that once held them captive,
and to speak from a place of freedom. That's what

(01:19:05):
allows me to stand up in what I am today.
And I love it because I took every wound that
was meant to break me, and I heal from it
and now I'm setting others free.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yeah, Shay twenty five away from the topic tweet question
coming in for you, doctor Barnett. It's precess, Doctor Bonnette.
What would you say to a young person who has
been traumatized by other black folks and calling and treating
you black and calling you ugly?

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Now, now, Now you see what I just said, Carl,
and that's what I'm saying you. You this is these
these are the trauma. It's one thing to be traumatized
by folks who don't look like you, but it's another
thing to be traumatized by people who do look like you.
Because the question is is why would you say that
to me? What I would say to that individual is
I don't know the depth, but I understand the pain

(01:19:56):
of it. But I will encourage them to work hard
to again identifying who you want to become outside of
what you've been told and what it's been said to you.
And that's not easy because statistics shows that mental abuse,
verbal abuse is much more impactful than physical abuse. And

(01:20:20):
that's not to make lighter physical abuse. But there's something
to be said about when someone releases words and releases
certain messages that can potentially poison not only how you think,
but how you see yourself. Man, that's hard to work through.
So I would encourage that person, if they can get

(01:20:42):
in some group coaching or some group therapy, and to
look for environments that will encourage them to think different
about themselves. Because it's hard. Because I can tell you, Carl,
that's not who you are, that's not what you're capable
of love. But until call sees it, it doesn't matter

(01:21:04):
what I say. So I would how the encourage that
person to begin surrounding yourself around people who speak differently
of you, because it's so challenging to see yourself outside
of what you've been told.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Yeah, we're coming up on a break, doctor Bonnett, and
but I'm going to leave you this question before we
get to the break. It's created quite a fire storm
on the internet. Interview of the former president Obama did
with his with his wife and his brother in law,
and he said that black males need to have all
kinds of role models, including gay role models, and he

(01:21:41):
talked about the fact that he didn't have boys, and
he mentioned the fact that one of his gay professors
was very influential into people were reading all into that context.
So I want to get from you, as a mental
health expert, do you think he was right? If not,
give us why, and you know, and just just put
a cap on it, because it's it's a It starts
a firestorm on the on the on the internet. Oh,

(01:22:03):
you know, he's a he's a download brother, and he's
coming out, you know. But he's saying that, and that's
a direct quote that we should have a gay person.
Every black male should have a gay person to help
them mold them. So I'll let you deal with that
when we get back. But we got to check the traffic,
the news in our different cities. Family, you want to
get in on this conversation, reach out to us.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
And Ryan Rising family in Facts are starting your week
with us at fifteen away from the top of their
on this Monday morning. I guess it's doctor j. Barnett's.
Doctor Jay is a former football player, professional football player,
and now he's turning mental health advocate and this is
what he is trying to help our young men. Before
we left the question and thank you for the We've
got people listening all over the brother in legos and
he sent me the quote. He says, that quote Barack

(01:23:13):
Obama said men need gay friends to teach empathy and
to be road models for their kids. That's the quote
that we target has to mention. It's thought a firestorm
on the internet. But we'll let doctor Jay discuss out
in the moment. Let me just remind you coming up.
Later this morning, we're going to hear from the founder
of the Black Lawyers for Justice. That will be Attorney
Malik Shabbaz is going to update us on the situation
in bikin O Fossil. And later this weekend here from

(01:23:36):
the founder of the National Commers at Black Mayors. That's
Johnny Ford out of Tuskegee. Also the President General of
the Universal African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Breuni based in
Saint Luis, will be here an activist attorney of Barbara
Arno and will also join it. So if you are
in Baltimore, make sure your radios locked in tied on
ten ten WLB. If you're in the DMV, run FM
ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty w L.

(01:23:58):
All right, doctor j sure if you heard the about
what what the former president said, But I want to
get your thoughts as a former president, as a black
man saying that we need gay friends to teach us
empathy and be role models for kids.

Speaker 6 (01:24:12):
You know, Carl is uh. I did see that, and
and I just think it's interesting that you know, oh
man and im and I'm thinking and I'm saying to myself,
you know, uh much respect to president for Rock, But
it's like, why why would you muddy the waters for

(01:24:36):
boys who are trying to uh not just identify themselves,
but that are trying to identify how they behave you
know in a world that is making a lot of
boys and men feel that masculine energy, uh is, it's toxic.

(01:24:58):
And what I would say is that boys need emotional
comprehensible men. They need men who can understand that they
can be both a lion and a lamb. We need
to teach more emotional intelligence in school. I'm not going
to say that you know, someone's sexuality determines that right

(01:25:19):
or sexual preference determines that. And again, this is why
men like myself are important to boys as an entirety.
You know, you see, you know a football player, a
man who masculine, but you also you're hearing today a
man who's been open to share and being open to

(01:25:42):
communicate feelings, being able to share some things that were
traumatic at one time, and being able to hear me
speak about these things in such an elegant and such
a poignant matter, a way to allow boys to understand
that you don't have to lose parts of yourself to

(01:26:03):
to to behave in matters that can either not only
just be toxic, because we're not talking about toxic, but
just to behave in ways that are unhealthy, not only
towards yourself but toward others. So it's important for boys
to see men like myself model out what it's like
to hold both the duality of understanding your masculinity and

(01:26:28):
also understanding a level of your sensitivity, meaning that I
don't have to stop being you know this raw and
abandon having compassion and consideration with you know others. One
of the things that I teach my nephews is that
when I see them, I always hug them. And I

(01:26:49):
hug them because they're great athletes, but I also hug
them because I want them to understand what it's like
to feel love. I want them to understand what it's
like to have connection, that they don't have to be
so focused on being physical, that they also can be
connected emotionally. That knowing that they aren't who care for me,
That's what I believe boys need more of.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Got you ten away from the top of the eva's
checking in from Washington DC Online one grand Rising EVA
with doctor j Bonnett.

Speaker 14 (01:27:16):
Well, thank you so much for the opportunity. I hope
we didn't go past this, but anyway, this is what
I need to say. This conversation is so right on time,
the part that I've heard up to now. And looking
around DC, I see the unhoused who are mostly dark
skinned people. I volunteer at a nonprofit that provides meals

(01:27:40):
for the unhoused. Most I would say about ninety five
percent of them are dark skinned people. I have a theory.
When I was dating, I would only date a light
skinned man who had a person in their family that
they loved.

Speaker 12 (01:27:58):
Who looked like me. We must do better.

Speaker 14 (01:28:01):
This is our problem, not theirs. We've got to figure
this out so that we don't lose people because of
their skin color. And to me, that is what is
happening now. I had to call nine to one one
the other day because there were two dark skinned people
on a bench metro bench. One of them was convulsing.
He had to have taken something, but people were walking by.

(01:28:24):
I said, there's no way I can walk by.

Speaker 12 (01:28:26):
I called nine one one.

Speaker 14 (01:28:28):
They came and tried to keep him alive. You know,
so we've got to do better. And again, dark skinned
people so I'm not sure I heard everything you said
about your light skinned family member, but it just struck
me that these are my thoughts from the last couple
of days. Thank you again for this opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
All right, thank you Eva and doctor Jay. You want
to respond to any things she said.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
No, I think the sisters, right, I think we have
ostracized our own, particularly you know, this is a systemic issue, right,
and so if you have been led to believe that
darker uh is more enraged, darker us not good. Uh,
Darker people are to be feared, you know. And this
is why I'm also in entertainment, and this is why,

(01:29:18):
like you know, I love when ins Elba and other
dark skinned brothers begin leading, you know, in certain films,
because for the longest car you only saw dark skinned
brothers playing roles of a villain's right. You didn't see
them playing roles. And this is why, uh, what Andrews
did in the film Daddy's Little Girl was so impactful

(01:29:39):
because it showed a dark skinned man being a father
to his girls and fighting for his daughters. We don't realize,
Car how much media plays a role in this, because again,
if you're being shown pictures and shown storylines that you know,
these type of people are dangerous. These type of people
are the criminals and being you only see lighter complexion

(01:30:02):
people playing love interest and they have in a roles
where you know, he's got the car, he's got the wife.
We don't realize what this psychologically does to us inherently,
what it does to us subconsciously, what it does to
it paints pictures that this is better and this is
not good, and we don't realize that we'll begin to
treat our own because we have been programmed subconsciously just

(01:30:27):
through pictures. And this is why media plays a huge role.
And this is why I got involved in media and
working with you know, the production company that I partner with,
Q and Coda to tell stories to free us from
these biases, because there's certain biases that we have against
our own. And the sister is right, and you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Know, let me just check in here at seven away
from the top of Doctor Francis Cresh Weelsen talked about
that in Icey's papers and she mentioned too where and
you said, talked about the media. Time magazine put Oj
Simpson on the cover when you know the Oj trial,
and they darkened his complexion against what he looked like.
To reinforce the fact that it was a darker Persson

(01:31:09):
who committed these crimes had to be a darker Persson,
darker than the OJ's original skin color.

Speaker 6 (01:31:17):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, because again it's the psychological mind construct
that is created and that has developed around not only
the picture that is being shown, but the story that
it's being told. As you said, you know it had
to be and so we as I again I agree
with the sisters that we cannot no longer wait on

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the system and why I'm appreciative for you giving me
space and time just wanting to share it because callers,
we don't have spaces where we are healing our own.
We're going to continue to see our own as a
threat to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
So true, stix away from the top, thay our family
just checking in. I guess there is form a football
player of professional football player. His name is doctor J. Barnett,
mental health expert deals with the uh you know, mental health,
especially for brothers. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you
in this scary to la Rix calling for online two
grand rising Rick here on with doctor J.

Speaker 15 (01:32:14):
Want to say he talking to me Lord marland Rick.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Yeah, they had la down here, but go ahead, yeah
look at it.

Speaker 15 (01:32:21):
Hey, Doc, Look, it shouldn't have been no hesitation when
Carl asked you about Barock, Man, Barrock, you should have
said Barock lost his mind. Man, he he lost his
mind is bad enough. You know he over here in
this safe haven, you know, this United States, like you
need to ask him when he went over to Ethiopia

(01:32:41):
and tried to uh talk about that crazy stuff. They
ran him out of there. And so this is just ridiculous.
He's getting up on that his wife's podcast. Now I
understand why she said, you know, I couldn't imagine having
a son with Barack another Barock. Yeah she see. You
gotta read between the line. You know how I feel
about Michelle. Michelle, she's out of pocket. But this guy,

(01:33:05):
he totally lost his mind. Doc, That's all is what
shouldn't have been no hesitation when Carl access should have
been he lost Well.

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
Well here's what I would say, And again you're right
from your response my position and the plays that I hold.
The one thing that I do because we don't live
in the same world. We live in a world that
would take sound bites, and you're right. And I took
my time because the one thing that my mentor has
told me process of question before responding, and so I

(01:33:34):
wanted to be careful because again I understand the climate
and the bitch rol, but I stand on what I
stand on, and I don't disagree with anything that you're saying, brother,
because your sentiments and then even what you share are
very valid because I think when you have President Barack
saying things like this, this can dismantle a lot of

(01:33:55):
what we're trying to build in young males. So I
agree with you, brother, my man.

Speaker 15 (01:33:59):
That's all I was. No dig on You're just that.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
No, no, no, no no, I understand.

Speaker 15 (01:34:04):
How I don't think before I react. I just react.
It is just absolutely ridiculous. That's all I'm saying. Have
a go with my frother, Keep up, keep stay strong.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Thank you, Carl, Yes, sir, all right, thanks rick A family.
We got to take a lot of look of the
traffic weather in a different cities. When we come back,
Tyron and Baltimore be another person in DC. Folks want
to talk to doctor J. Barnett. As I mentioned, he's
a former football player NFL football player. Now, I was
turning his attention to mental health, especially for black men,
talk about his book as well to talking about some
other issues. But if you want to join the discussion,

(01:34:36):
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seven six. You won't take your
phone calls after the trafficking weather update, that's next.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
You're fucking with the Most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
You'recking with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
A and Grand Rising family. Thanks are rolling with us

(01:35:18):
on this Monday morning, and this is the twenty first
day of July. I guess it's doctor J. Barnett, former
NFL football player, now turn the mental health advocate, and
we're talking about black men's health specifically. But if if
you know, the health of our black man affects everybody
in the family because supposedly, and it should be the
black man who is the head of the household. What
are your thoughts? You want to join this conversation, reach

(01:35:39):
out to us at eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Tyrone's waiting for us. He's
online one calling from Baltimore. Grand Rising brother Tyrone you're
only doctor J.

Speaker 13 (01:35:49):
Yes, great rise, Doctor Jay, and good conversations. I just
I just want to add I don't know. I just
want to add that our whole we've been programmed, and
I just want to say this for what it is.
One of the most effective tenets of white supremacy is
divide and conquered. Our whole concept of beauty is on
a white baseline because of all the TV shows we've

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been programmed. That's why I call it TV program We
program want and all right, here was a white as
Mohama Alley put it. Jesus Christ Superman isareamaginie. You know,
there always the white people. And so when we say
good hair, it's hair that's goes the white people's air.
Let's say it's good the air are bad hair all
has good air. But in our minds, we've been programmed

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believed that good hair is hair looks like white people's hair.
And you know, pretty eyes are blue eyes? What all
kinds of nonsense? Light and there therefore light skin.

Speaker 6 (01:36:43):
Is equivalent to beauty.

Speaker 13 (01:36:45):
So if we know we have that chip in our mind,
I'm gonna use commuterial language.

Speaker 6 (01:36:49):
We can deal with it better.

Speaker 13 (01:36:50):
I know that chips up there so I can shut
it off and turn it on when I want to.

Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
So we have, we have, we've all been programmed with that.

Speaker 6 (01:36:56):
Chip that says, you know, white is supreme, and we've
accept it for the most.

Speaker 13 (01:37:01):
Part, a lot of us. So it was having some
of us know that it was up there. We know
how to deal with it. I teach my children the
same thing. We don't tolerate that in my household. You know,
we have different shades of people.

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
In my household.

Speaker 13 (01:37:11):
I mean when they were coming out taking wrong, now
doing well, But we did not tolerate, you know, the
tart of about dark skinned people like some people. None
of that nonsense. Not not my entire family, even when
I was a kid. We did not tolerate that because
we understood what it meant, and it was it was meant.

Speaker 11 (01:37:24):
To our downfall in our control.

Speaker 13 (01:37:26):
Thanks for your time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Yeah, and doctor J you want to spawn anything, Tyrone said.

Speaker 6 (01:37:31):
Yeah, no, he's uh. Tyrone's absolutely correct. I mean, and
this is why I was talking about, you know, what
I'm doing in media, uh and and what I can
and what I can do and partnering with the Q
and Code of Film production company, one of the things
that we're working on, and the one thing that we

(01:37:53):
have done is how do you change these programming right?
You have to put uh. You have to tell stories
that not only you know, expand our capacity to see
each other different, but you also have to expand the
stories to change the light that we've been shown in.
And this is why media is so important, and this

(01:38:15):
is why it's important for black boys and black men
to see to see me right. You know, even playing ball,
I didn't see black therapists. I didn't see black counselors.
They were all white. So think about that, car You
have white counselors that are providing therapy and providing counseling
to a league that is about eighty about almost with

(01:38:37):
NFL seventy five eighty percent black. So think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
Well, let me jumping in for a second, doctor Jay,
did did you tune out though? Because you know, it's
kind of like the conversation we had with Bill Jahar
a piece of hollegs. He says, you know, he was
in school. He got in trouble in school because he
had these white teachers and what they teach them he
couldn't relate to. They wanted to put him on riddling.
Is this where all thoughts in the school system that

(01:39:02):
these whites and they mostly older white women who are
teaching out children that you don't cannot you know, resonate
with what they're saying and vice versa.

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
Absolutely, because so one or two things happened. Black boys
at a higher rate are usually diagnosed as opposition defiant,
meaning that he can't sit still, he can't you know, comply.
So when the issue oftentimes is probably mental and rather
than they make it criminal. And when that black boys

(01:39:35):
removed from the classroom, he now has this check you know,
or on his name, and now that goes with him.
You did not leave him in the classroom to learn.
You made him believe that he was a problem. And
so let's say that you put him on riddling, right,
because most time black boys are misdiagnosed or they're underdiagnosed.

(01:39:55):
So when you're putting a kid out of classroom because
you say that he can't pay attention and because he's
disruptive in the classroom, So has anybody thought maybe this
kid didn't eat this morning? Has anybody thought that this
kid probably didn't get a good nice rest. So you're right,
car a lot of this start in the school system.
This is why it's so important that when we're talking

(01:40:17):
about healing black men, you have to talk about what
to happen to them as black boys. You just can't
erase their experience as a young black boy. I can
line up ten black men and you can ask them
what was their experience as black boys in the school system,
and I can assure you that in most cases it

(01:40:39):
was not a pleasant one. So now you're asking black
men to be open, You're asking them to be vulnerable,
you're asking them to be transparent. How do you get
a black man to open up when the black boy
was never provided any safety for his emotions and then
if he was wanting to be emotional, he probably was

(01:40:59):
shut down out in most cases. So, uh, there's much
work to be done. And mental health is still new
for us.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
It is still is it's still you know, we're kind
of this is how know I saying. Is there still
kind of a you know, a boogaboo about discussing your
personal issues with with with a therapist like yourself a
black man, or is it still you know an issue
for us?

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
Well, I think I think you know, we've done a
great job and having conversation around and having guial law.
But there's still a stigma widely because this whole mental
health space is so robust, and even from the white space.
The way we learn in school, we don't learn from
other black clinicians. We don't learn from other black psychiatrists.

(01:41:49):
When you think about the APA and you think about
all of the research and all of the information, they
did not know how to treat blacks. One of the
things that I've learned in my schooling is that they
did not understand how to treat black and they felt
white clinicians, white therapists that were leading in the mental
health space felt that our ability to endure slavery was

(01:42:12):
an element of resiliency that made us in some way
repellent to being traumatized and not being able to move forward.
So they felt that if you can endure it slavery,
oh you're fine, and not understanding that, not having black
research to tell what happens in the black experience and

(01:42:34):
the impact that happens from us from a psychological and
a physiological and you think about those that are us
that are grandchildren of grandparents that were children of parents
that were enslaves. So we haven't even touched on what
this has done to their genes. So we have a

(01:42:56):
group of people that are walking around with mental health issues.
And I say mental health issues and mental health disorder.
I'm talking about psychological disorder, schizophrenia, bipolar, all of these
different things that were passed down in their genes that
it's now being expressed in behavior in today's time. And

(01:43:17):
you have Black folks who have had to hide their
mental health issues because if you talk about this, the
family's going to say you're crazy. And if you say
you're crazy, you belong in a nuthouse. So there's so
much to be unpacked. And that's why I say this
Black mental health conversation is so convoluted, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
So layered and so needed and so needed.

Speaker 6 (01:43:44):
Absolutely yeah, because.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
I don't know how much of it is. We've got
a bunch of bober shops that when we're in the afternoon,
they just turn on the computer if they're out of it,
and many of them, only one of them actually was
in the DMV area, but around the country, and they
would have the conversations and after the program and that
that continue the conversation. They tell me they still do
it listening in the mornings when they're on the barber shop,
they have these conversations. So hopefully you fell us at

(01:44:08):
the barber shops, you know who you are. Hopefully you're
having a conversation about black mental health as well. Doctor JA,
I got a bunch of folks want to talk to you,
so hopefully you can stay us a few more minutes.
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
line three. A person called himself Anonymous, calling from Washington, DC.
Anonymous Here, I'm a doctor.

Speaker 6 (01:44:25):
J Good morning graand rising.

Speaker 8 (01:44:29):
My comment is on this old Barack Obama. I just
hear it this morning on the radio station. I think
it's one of the most craziest things that a grown
black man can say, because early on in the sixty
some of us. I'm just saying, no, I was molested
by in my neighborhood when I was probably about seven

(01:44:50):
eight years old. Now for me to look at a
gay person as a role model is completely at However,
I am over there. You know I shared, you know
shared it. But the problem is our country is shifting

(01:45:11):
towards this lifestyle, which is what.

Speaker 6 (01:45:18):
Some of uh these people choose to do. Okay, I
have someone in my family who is Jesus females and
she's married to a woman. That's her. That's her lifestyle.

Speaker 8 (01:45:32):
However, I accept her as my sister and her other
person as you know her her wife. However, that's her lane.
Don't infringe on my lane to make me accept something
that I think and I know it's not right. Now

(01:45:53):
back to this life skinned darkskin thing. Have you looked
at the football commercial about the seat built commercial. They
got a black man with all his children. When he
put them in the back seat, they clicked the seat belt,
they throw popcorn up, but any other nationality the kids

(01:46:17):
sit in the seat buckle up and the commercial goes off.
We have a double standard in this country. And you
said we are backed up with our incestual dreams through slavery.
They think we're thick skinned and we can accept any

(01:46:39):
and everything. We are thick skinned, but we will not
accept any and everything.

Speaker 6 (01:46:47):
That's my comment today.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
All right, Thanks anonymous doctor Jay, you said a lot.
Do you want to respond to some of the things
you said a lot?

Speaker 6 (01:46:54):
I want to honor the brother man for sharing such
a you know, him sharing what happened to him at
eight years of age. That that's I mean, that's man,
you know, to share that. You know, yes he was anonymous,
but to just to openly share that, you know, I
want to make sure I don't gloss over that. Thank
their brother for his vulnerability, and you know, and the

(01:47:18):
gods man so much that we could talk about calls
and you know, even to what he said, and we're
not sure he didn't say what who the perpetrator was,
you know, if it was a male or a woman.
But you know, you think about things that are happened
to kids at a young age, right that their innocent

(01:47:38):
was taken away from them. They may have a different
idea when it comes to sexuality or sexual preference because
if something happened to you from somebody that looked like you,
let along somebody that was supposed to protect you, right,
your brain has been distorted. And so when you think
about what Barack Obama said, you know, I don't support

(01:47:59):
it because again, you don't know what the human experience is,
and and and again I also like to carefully think
in process before I respond to a matter. But I
understand the outrage, and then I understand what other brothers
may feel because it says that, you know. So, so
basically what you're saying is that heterosexual men are not

(01:48:21):
capable of showing love, because that's what it says, you
know what I mean. And so I think that him
saying that, you know, was not carefully thought out, and
I know what he was trying to do. But we
cannot remove men who are both masculine and have the
ability to be compassionate, to be loving, and to be considerate.

(01:48:44):
We cannot omit that. And so I thank that brother
for sharing, all.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Right, and then to say that together. Note here from
one of our barbershops, Elliot's Barbershop in Philly. They say
they listening in the mornings and they have the discussions.
So as a barber shop is open, So thank you
Elliott and Elliott, Yeah, Elliott eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight to seventy six. Go to line seven.
Sister for him has checking in from Washington, DC. Grand Rising.

(01:49:11):
Sister for him a doctor J. Barnett.

Speaker 16 (01:49:14):
Yes, good morning, miss Nelson, and greetings to you, doctor Barnett.
And I agree with everything that you said about the profession. However,
there have been people like doctor Patricia Newton, naim Bar
Robert Williams is the Black Intelligence test. And I know

(01:49:35):
I went to an HBCU Howard University as a clinician
and we used an African centered theoretical framework. And I
don't know, I mean, I don't know you know where
you got your training at. But in respect of riders,
I would encourage you if you're not already a member
of the National Association of Black Psychologists or ANSW.

Speaker 6 (01:50:00):
Yes, absolutely, yes, no, and I agree. I went to
a p WR North Central University and our clinical studies
and theoretical studies had a very eurocentric but I have,
you know, and our part of spaces that continues to
expand my ability. And the one thing that I tell

(01:50:21):
all clinicians, that's why we call it practicing right because
we should be ever growing as a clinician and as
someone who's providing services. And I totally agree because in
order to reach in to understand our people, not only
do we have to continue to learn more about our
own experience, it's important for us to learn about others

(01:50:41):
as well. And so I love that you shared that.

Speaker 16 (01:50:44):
Yeah, yes, absolutely, I mean the profession does require continue education,
but we do have the lattitude to term it to
a large extent, what it is that we're going to
do those trainings in and NABS and a nasal associated
black psychologists provised the theoretical framework with the black experience

(01:51:07):
in each of those disciplines.

Speaker 6 (01:51:09):
Yes, absolutely, all.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Right, Frank you sister for him. All right, we gotta
step aside for a few months. We come back. We
still got some more folks. I want to talk to
doctor J. Barnett. The number is eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we ticket phone
calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, Tech.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
Ground Rising Family, thanks for rolling us on this Monday
morning with our guest doctor J. Barnett, former NFL football
player and now turned to a therapist. It talks about
mental health, especially in black men. You want to get
in on this conversation eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six. Hat A bunch of folks want
to talk to you. So family doing us this is
a favor and just shorten up down the question so
DTR Barnett can respond. Let's go to Marvin first Online

(01:52:08):
two calling from Baltimore. Marvin the question for dtor Bonnett.

Speaker 10 (01:52:13):
Hey, yeah, y'all done.

Speaker 17 (01:52:14):
First of all is one calling.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
We're still learning, all right.

Speaker 17 (01:52:19):
I will say something this quick thing. I will say
that God made all people, he made him equal. So
where do people get off at say that you better
than somebody else? If you want to really find out
better you is.

Speaker 13 (01:52:34):
Question God about it?

Speaker 6 (01:52:35):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 17 (01:52:35):
Don't just figure on your own you just better than
somebody because you're wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:52:39):
I see y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Lady, all right, doctor J. You want to respond to thing?
Marvin said, Oh no, sir, all right, let's keep moving.
Then eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six
Christians in Malibu. He's online one grind rising Christian. You're
honored with doctor J.

Speaker 9 (01:52:54):
Bonnett playing lives and Gentlemen. I'm glad that came after
that last call Marvin. There's a natural order of things,
there's a process that goes and for the gentleman who
reveals his trauma, that was excellent. I feel for that guy.
And we have to understand that people go through things
that sometimes they don't have any recourse. But it's what

(01:53:16):
I call for. How do you deal with the dark triad, psychopathy, narcissism,
those kinds of things with people have really no pure
you can just treat it. It's Tyler Kill Antonio Brown
that will always have difficulty. The other thing is too

(01:53:40):
h the guy hernand is with the Boston Patriots who
was convicted of murder. He had killed somebody while he
had the University of Florida, but the University of Florida,
Covenly Web, I want to talk about those kinds of
things if you will a servant, all.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
Right, thanks Christian doctor Jay Well.

Speaker 6 (01:53:58):
I would say to the individuals that he mentioned, I think,
how you heal any or get any person to heal?
And I'll be brief with this. There has to be
a willingness. There has to be a willingness. I think
the difficulty that we want healing from people that don't
even know that they're sick. And if they don't know

(01:54:19):
that they're sick, they're never going to allow themselves to
get into space where they can course correct or get
in the space where they can begin healing. And I
think that's the challenge. Even when we look at family
members that have mental health disorders, you know, I think
about the individuals that are displaced on the streets right

(01:54:42):
Oftentimes when whether they are veterans or individuals that were
strung out on drugs or some types of substance abuse,
you know, there's a reluctancy for them to even acknowledge
that they need to be medicated, that they need to
be you know, checked in into a facility. It's just
an unfortunate and I think from myself as I share
is after surviving my second suicide attim, I made a

(01:55:04):
decision called that I wanted to get help because I
wanted to stop replaying this pain that I was having
from my childhood. Uh and I wanted to stop that cycle,
that trauma loop of reliving the memory. And this is
why not only did I become who I did, but
this is why I'm such an advocate, and not just

(01:55:25):
for talk therapy, because there are many different modalities that
can be used to heal and other somatics and other
things that can that can relieve us of our pain.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
All Right, Thank you again, Christian and malbut twenty six
out the top. Tasha is in Northern Virginia. Online for
Grand Rising Tasha Young with doctor J Barnett Grand Rising.

Speaker 18 (01:55:51):
Thank you so much. I just wanted to just thank
you for taking my call. I wanted to express my
gratitude to doctor J. Barnett for I mean, this is phenomenal.

Speaker 14 (01:56:02):
What this is, This is so great too.

Speaker 18 (01:56:04):
And Carl, mister Nelson, this is you guys are amazing.
I am personally a mentor, a tutor, and an advocate
for mental health for young young men. I'm so excited
right now. Let me calm down here a second. This

(01:56:26):
is this is an amazing platform because I've been working
on advocating on this topic for over twenty years, and
I can remember when we started out. When I started out,
I would get so much pushback from them. I love
that there are more men standing up and being that

(01:56:49):
voice for for these young men. That was the main
purpose is I needed that platform to I knew that
this is not a seat that women could do on
her own. So I'm so grateful even for the gentleman
who called in and expressed his his experience because I've

(01:57:10):
gathered over the years, I've gathered so much research and
understood that our men are hurting and I love I'm
just you said so much. The modalities this is. That's
another thing that I speak on it's like not just
talk therapy, but there are so many other modalities for

(01:57:31):
our men to find ways of healing. But I believe
that there's just there's still not enough platforms out there
for men to find those safe havens to express their
feelings and their emotions. So I want just a call
to all men to please check in with one another.

(01:57:52):
When you're passing another man, just ask him how he's doing.
If he's okay, let him know that he's been seen.
I there's so much I wanted to say. The root
of mistreatment or the root of inflictedness treatment, it's the
stem of normalizing abuse.

Speaker 19 (01:58:08):
Right.

Speaker 18 (01:58:08):
So we I've noticed in the black community a lot
of traumas that we've endured, we normalize them, you know,
over the years when we research, we just interviewing certain men,
I've always found this it was it's heartbreaking. Women have

(01:58:28):
that platform where they can speak up and they can
I don't want to divide like men and women, but
I just there's there has been a lot more, you know,
encouragement for women to be open and speak openly about
their traumas. And I realized that when speaking to men,
hearing some of their stories and but how they passively

(01:58:49):
and jokingly tell these trauma traumatic stories of childhood, whether
that inflicted abuse was by uh an eye, a babysitter,
you know, a female or male uh within their vicinity,
they normalize that like, Okay, this made me a man.
And I've had to remind them that's trauma. You were

(01:59:11):
a child, that what that should not have happened to you.
So I just wanted to again, I'm I'm all over
the I'm super excited. So I just there was so
much I wanted to say. I again, I am so
grateful for this platform. I'm encouraging more people to get
the word out there and get the idea. Let me

(01:59:31):
just kind of quickly say this, and now, I as
an advocate, I believe that we could never have enough
children's books.

Speaker 8 (01:59:42):
Pop have you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:46):
Lost that, doctor, doctor jay Bonne, because you said a lot,
So I'll let you respond. Thank you Tasha, because yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:59:56):
Think you know, And thank you Tasha for your work,
and thank you before your advocacy is needed. And I
think she was getting ready to say something about, you know,
not having enough children's book and she's right, you know,
there is we can never not have enough stories and
enough pictures that are created, uh, not just for imagery,
but also for narratives and just even what she was

(02:00:20):
sharing about men. You know, she's right cars so many guys,
are so many patients that I've provided therapy for that
has lived with their trauma and it has been normalized.
And when you think about the mistreatment, uh that that
often occurs with us as a people, it's because something
is normalized. You know, when you think about the way men,

(02:00:40):
the way most boys uh in our community has learned
about sex was through some form of molestation. And you know,
let's be honest and let's you know, uh, move the
rug out. And this is the normalized when you think
about sexual behaviors and you think about the sexual dysfunction
that was on and you know, just in our community.

(02:01:02):
So that brother sharing that man was very powerful because
that's not something that a lot of men would openly
talk about. But I want to thank her again for
our advocacy.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
All right, thirty minutes after that top day out here,
that doctor j Charles at thirties calling us from the
district at Grand Rise.

Speaker 20 (02:01:19):
In Charles Hotel. Brother Carl, and let me say, I
appreciate you covering this topic. Because it certainly is something
we need to discuss and we need to have honest
discussion around Uh. Doctor Francis cres Wells and talked about
how first they criminalized us, then they humanized us, and

(02:01:43):
then part of that is labeling us saying, you know,
we've got major mental health problems. So I'm going to
give a little pushback on that because my observation for
working with black people, growing up around black people, interacting
and mentoring young men is our biggest issue is we
need guidance and opportunity. Okay there, and so the difference

(02:02:08):
is guidance helps us in decision making. So if we
see someone taking money out of an ATM machine and
we run.

Speaker 13 (02:02:16):
Over them, that isn't because we're crazy.

Speaker 20 (02:02:20):
That says we're making bad decisions.

Speaker 6 (02:02:23):
So I want to ask the brother if he.

Speaker 20 (02:02:25):
Can differentiate between guidance saying, you know why, how people
need guidance to help them in their decision making, and
also contrast that with people who have mental health issues,
because I still believe, again we're not crazy. We don't
suffer from major mental health issues. There are some people bipolar,

(02:02:47):
We acknowledge that with some issues, but our major issue
is more guidance and decision making, because some of those
decisions we think, man, that's crazy and the decision was crazy,
but that person is And I'm going to listen and
take it off to your brother, Car, And I appreciate the.

Speaker 6 (02:03:03):
Program, Yeah, absolutely, And I think the way you differentiate
that and understand and contrast to that is that going
back to what I was saying, you know, number one,
a person has to be willing to want help or guidance, right,
because one thing that I never think, and even as

(02:03:25):
somebody who is a clinician, I never think that I
know what's best for a person. Secondly, Car, you can
only guide where you have been trusted or where you
have built trust. And I think one of the things
that we lack in our community is trust. And so
you think about the healthcare system. We don't trust the

(02:03:46):
health care system. So why would I go see a therapist,
why would I go see a councilor why would I
listen to someone? And then you think about the generations
before us who live with their trauma and who swept
their trauma under a rug. And this is what I
love about this generation is that they're willing to talk
about it and they're saying, Hey, let's let's deal with

(02:04:06):
this elephant in the room. Because if we don't deal
with this elephant in the room, these dysfunctional patterns and
behaviors and things that we have been normalized are going
to continue. And so we have to build trust and
build trust through allowing each other to be open without judgment.
That's how you build trust.

Speaker 3 (02:04:26):
All right? Is there one more called real quick for
your Marcus? You're coming from Memphis, grand rising Marcus, Yes.

Speaker 6 (02:04:33):
Grimmar rising and grimmarising.

Speaker 21 (02:04:35):
Introductor Jia.

Speaker 22 (02:04:36):
I just want to agree with the doctor because what
Rephor realized is that it is one's history and one's
experience that makes up a person's psychology and also applies
to our risks. And European and the African have two
different history and experience in this country, so we have

(02:05:01):
two different psychology. So a white circa school to really
address my situation because she didn't have my.

Speaker 6 (02:05:09):
Experience and my and my history, and that I.

Speaker 22 (02:05:15):
Am coming from the school. I thought that doctor Elmos
Wilson legate, doctor Emos Willison, and one thing he said.

Speaker 8 (02:05:21):
He said, in order for America to.

Speaker 21 (02:05:25):
Work, black people have to be out of our minds
it is essential to keep black people out of their minds,
and that's what it does. And in reference to that
issue of homosexuality, you studied in European history, you know,
because I am a student that history.

Speaker 22 (02:05:44):
Every time that type of behavior rise, the society always collapse.

Speaker 3 (02:05:50):
Because I'm marketing, because we're raising the clock and we've
got a tourneyship deck, and I want to get doctor
Jay a chance to respond to what you just said.
But I thank you for your call, doctor Jay.

Speaker 6 (02:06:02):
Yeah, no, he he hit it on the head. It's
the history, man, and it's the experience that determines how
we show up in the world. And and I think again,
this is why this conversation is necessary, and this is why,
you know, we have to continue to expand the dialogue
and move just from talking about it and move into

(02:06:22):
an action area into a more solution orient perspective. And
and we're doing that right by you know, having these
conversations changing. Uh uh. You saw the film that Tyler
Perry did with Taraji, you know. Uh, so it's it's
it's it's I think it's shifting and changing. But uh,

(02:06:43):
there isn't enough that is done to talk about because
the the the trauma that we have from our history,
from our experience is very layered and complex.

Speaker 3 (02:06:54):
Yeah, and doctor Jay, before we let you go and
thank you for staying over time. There's there's so many
calls I got tweets that I didn't get to as well.
How can folks read you if they wanted more information
that have got health challenges, mental health challenges.

Speaker 6 (02:07:07):
Yes, so all of my books, particularly for men, Just
He'll Bro that is available on Amazon. It is a
great journal for men. It is a great tool for
men if they're looking to begin not just a healing journey,
but just a man who's looking to expand his mind
that could possibly impact the state of his mental health.
And then also you can follow me on Twitter, TikTok

(02:07:29):
and Instagram, King J. Barnett King J. Barnett. And this
is the same across all of my social platforms and
there you will find my website to our individual coaching
and group coaching and all of those things.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
Well, I just want to thank you because we didn't
get any talk about the book or that your tour
Just Heal Bro the style of book, and also that
the mental health talk which is much needed. So we
got to have you come back, doctor Barnett, if you
don't mind, and join us again later at some point
so we can begin this journey helping our brothers ancestors. Heal, yes, sir,
all righty, thank you, thank you, doctor Jay Bonnett. Family.

(02:08:05):
We got to take us a quick break here. We
come back though. The founder of the Black Lays for
Justice is going to join us, Attorney Malik Shabbaz. You
want to join the conversation with Attorney Malie Shabaz. Hit
us up at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls for
Attorney Schabaz next.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, Grand.

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
Rising Family, and thanks for staying with us on this
Monday morning here on this twenty first day of July,
and bringing now our next guest, Attorney Malik Chabbaz. He's
the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice, Grand Rising
and slamlek him to my brother and counselor, Attorney Maliks Shabaz.
Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 6 (02:09:05):
Why lacom salon, Brother Kyle Nelson and the listening audience,
thank you for having me on.

Speaker 3 (02:09:12):
Well, let's get to it. Right away, because you've been
monitoring what's going on in Burkina fashion and a lot
of times what I understand, Attorney Malika, So some of
the information that we're getting on the internet, it's not true.
Some of us made up. We have people try to
confirming this. A lot of stuff being made up. So
bring us up today. What is going on in this
a Houn Nations.

Speaker 6 (02:09:33):
Okay, thank you so much. Bakina Fosso is very important
and and we're going to give you some frontline information.
I have on our delegation leader Elder Womoja Ajabu, who
is just returning from Berkina Fosso with members of the

(02:09:55):
Black Panther Movement and the Afro Descendant Nation, and brother
Mukassa Rix, the ally of Kwame Terrell, who is known
as Stokely Carmichael. So we're going to give you actual
facts from Burkina Fasso because there's a lot of misinformation
going on with artificial intelligence online and we don't know

(02:10:19):
what's true and what's false. So we must have accurate
information and we must focus in on Burkina Fasso and
the Sahel States. And we cannot we as a people
who are listening and those that are serious about the struggle.
We cannot we can't fall victim to hype and to

(02:10:43):
social media trends. When we know the truth. We have
to be consistent, and that's what we hear on. We're
here because we're beyond excitement and we're doing a specific
work with Africa, with black people here in America for
self determination, and we're on a path to try to

(02:11:06):
get us the hell out of this condition. So so
I just open up and say all that to say that, uh,
we're going to get some African accurate information from what
is actually going on in the ground. But I can
tell you it's two things that are priority in Burkina
Fasso and that young great president Ibraheim Traore and the

(02:11:30):
other presidents I'll dou Rochman t Johnny and I seem
a goiter of Niger or we call Najur and Maley respectively.
There's one key thing that you can you can read
about from actual news reports and and their security and development.

(02:11:51):
These are two main things here, security and development. Since
these three strong black African nations have stood up to
throw off neo colonialism, I mean domination by the by
the French and Western military and they've decided to secure themselves.

(02:12:15):
Right now, the main security threat and it was at
that time also is is this jihadis, This Islamic jihadis
thing Amongst Africans who were loyal to either Boko Haram
or or or other Jihadis factions who are fighting the

(02:12:37):
Pan African governments in that region. And so I have
to say that that security of this revolution is of
serious concern. And and these are some of the problems
and maybe we'll get into this Boko Haram Islamic jihadis
uh mentality and movement and threat that it has to

(02:13:00):
the success of the Shy Hill States. And we talk
about self determination here Blacks in America and what we're
doing to support ourselves, to build for ourselves and to
build for Africa.

Speaker 3 (02:13:15):
Fortunately, away from the topic, I just checking in. I
guess he's a turning in Leak Shabazi is the founder
of the Black Laws for Justice and discussing what's going
on in Bekino Fossil. You mentioned the Jeharnest Though councilor
who's who's funding them, who's supporting them? Do we know.

Speaker 6 (02:13:33):
You know that that's a question that remains to be
to be answered, I don't want to come right out
and say that Western intelligence is financing them, but our
analysis from our reading is that Western intelligences is at

(02:13:54):
minimum rooting, rooting for some of their success. While while
Afrikaan and Langley and others are claiming that they are
against jihadism in Africa or in the Sahara or in
the Sahel region, on the other hand, we know for
a fact that they're against the independence movement of the

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Sahel States of Burkina, Fosso and Ibraheim Troy. And so
what we do know first of all about the West
and sad to say, were broadcasting here from the United
States of America, who's the leader of the West and
the French, we must say, sadly that their primary objective

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at all times is to cause confusion and division amongst
Black and African people. And then you have a backwards mindset.
In parts of Africa, you have blue black, jet black,
purple black black people whose allegiances are to an extreme

(02:15:00):
form of Islam, not an Islam that is complementary or
beneficiary to African unity and African liberation, but a form
of extreme Islam that is anti pan African, anti African
independence has its allegiance to Waha hobbyism and UHH Saudi

(02:15:25):
Arabian and and they just have an Arab mentality uh
and and so this is this is posing a serious
risk according to the turned to our direct talks with
the leaders of these nations. We have direct talks and
Niger and Bikina Fossil and and this is what they're
telling us uh as the threats to this great revolution

(02:15:50):
of independence that's going on in this out turn away
from the top of our attorney Malik shabazis I guess
we're talking about what's going on in hell nations And
is here Molly a Fosso.

Speaker 3 (02:16:01):
Councilor how many attempts have they been on the life
of Abraham tri because I understand there's been several attempts
to eliminate him. Did you know.

Speaker 6 (02:16:11):
There have been attempts to eliminate the president Ibraheim Traori?
Surely they have, but I don't know that if every
online report that we read is accurate. What we do
know is that there have been attempts, and we do

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know that the situation in Bekina Fosso, particularly in the
northern region, it is serious. There is attacks on his
his army and his defense forces by malicious that are
operating in Western Africa, so called Islamic malicious. We do

(02:16:55):
know that in this hour the strength and support for
young President Ibrahim Trayoa is growing rapidly and has grown
rapidly over the last few months. And so you know
we well, we're gonna say here is that there is
gonna be a price to pay that there is that
the price for harming President Ibrahim Traore is the stakes

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have been raised substantially in Africa and in America, and
so the price that we don't believe any harm will
come to him, but if any hair on his head
is harmed from what we're hearing, that that is going
to be a heavy and a high price. That's too

(02:17:44):
high to pay for anybody the West and the Jihades
than any Uncle Tom included, because we have come too
far in this struggle to allow any We are tired
of assassinations and talking about Patresa Lamoumba and Thomas and
Carr and Steven Bco have died. We're tired of dying

(02:18:08):
and tired of feeding our leaders to this enemy like
raw meat. And so that is our intelligence reading. That's
it's not something that we're.

Speaker 1 (02:18:19):
Okay, well, welcome to the webinar.

Speaker 3 (02:18:23):
All right, not away from the tough air Korean is
calling us from Atlanta, Georgia online. Two grand rising sisters
of karein with a Tony Malik Shabbaz.

Speaker 23 (02:18:33):
That's normal, lacom.

Speaker 6 (02:18:35):
By Lake of Salam.

Speaker 14 (02:18:38):
Yes, can you tell us.

Speaker 23 (02:18:42):
That the skill set the skill sets that are needed
in the kin of fossil towards this development that perhaps
halp of descendancy in America can assist.

Speaker 6 (02:18:56):
Yes, okay, thank you so much, My sisters, asking about
an initiative that that that we and in this sense
is the Black Lawyers suggestice with the Afro Descendant nation
under the leadership of the Honorable Silas Muhammad and our

(02:19:16):
coalition government that's participating with with friends of Trail over
their JABU is representing these coming on in a minute. Well,
we we have forces that are that are right now
based on our trip. We're building uh something that we
often talk about, and that's building uh this a the

(02:19:41):
network and the organization of support in the West for
Africa in the East. Every government that I've named and
all of their officials are constantly telling us that in
Africa that we need you all who have been educated
in in the West to help your skills to help

(02:20:03):
build Africa. And so we're building a skills bank to
help Blacks or Africans in America and our brothers and
sisters in the East. And so directly, my dear sister,
the skills that right now that we're seeking, and this
national skills Bank in the West for our efforts we're

(02:20:26):
seeking and we must have right now, teachers and educators
are sorely needed to help. We need and must have
Blacks who are skilled in manufacturing, mining, science, engineering, medicine,

(02:20:53):
law and particularly international law, security, contracting and other fields.
This is this is the stage that we're in right now,
following this great trip that you're going to hear about,
and following all of the rallies and efforts that right
now in the West that we are collecting and organizing

(02:21:16):
Blacks or the descendants of Africa otherwise called Afro descendants.
Here take two to pull our professional and intelligent and
resources together so we can build for ourselves here and
meet the request of our brothers in the East in Africa.

(02:21:39):
And and and I want to say also that they're
not they're not asking for this for free. That they
have resources and they have capacity to support this, and
they're looking for that long promised partnership in the West,
that partnership between US blacks who love Africa and to
help build Africa, which I personally believe he is our

(02:22:03):
promised land. It's the key promised land other than other
Black lands in the Western hemisphere. Africa is our promised land.
And and and it's it's an area, and it's a
it's a nation where we can put our future.

Speaker 3 (02:22:17):
On five away from the top, I got to ask
you this question. You know, Donald Trump is making much
more difficult for people to come to this country, especially
African from the African nations. Restricted the amount of visas
they can get. Are they are they Retalian and they
make it easier for us, say if we want to
go to the Shoal nations, that make it easier for
us to to make that trip without going through all

(02:22:38):
you know, machinations, visa and all that kind of stuff.
Attorneyment League.

Speaker 6 (02:22:44):
Oh well, I will say that the visa processes is
he is easy at this point. Uh And if you
contact us, we'll get some numbers out. And if you
really want to go constructive to Burkina Fosso, you can
have a visa in short order. Donald Trump is not

(02:23:08):
trying to ban travel two different countries, but he's certainly
restricting visas from certain countries. Not not any of these
nations Kina, Fosso, Niger and Molly that we're talking about,
though they have disgusted, they have not enacted that. But
if you want to go to these nations or other

(02:23:32):
nations the space, specifically Bkina fossil, we'll be happy to
help you. We are we are friends of President Trooa
in the West.

Speaker 3 (02:23:42):
All right, hold up there, right then we've got to
step aside for a few but but said we come
back though, Brother a Job who's going to join us family,
want to get in on this conversation with our guest,
turnam Leak Shabbaz and Brother a Job is going to
check in as well to about Bikino fossil, the heal nations.
What are your thoughts? Reach out to us eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (02:24:02):
Next, you're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (02:24:13):
You're facing with the most submissive yourself, Rock.

Speaker 3 (02:24:38):
Hak Grand ranking Fami, thanks for starting your week with
us and our guests at Turning the Lead. Shabaz, if
we're discussing what's going on this Hell Nations, Nier Molli
and Bakino Fasso, you want to join the conversation, reach
out to us at eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six. Were would do that though, Brother
Ross Joeman Buffalo says to tell Attorney Shabbaz thank you
for the delegation on the July fourth decoration dissipated and

(02:25:00):
interviewed Olemata, Brother Rix and the rest of the delegation
listing audience was I lated, He says, the guys are
really joining the work. So that's that's from brother Ross
Joma in Buffalo, so shout out to him as well.
But a Tony Shabbaz. Brother Ajabu has joined us from
Atlantic Grind Rising. Brother Ajabu, welcome to the program, Brother

(02:25:22):
Jabu there online three.

Speaker 6 (02:25:26):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (02:25:27):
Yeah, I can hear you in out go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:25:30):
Thanks for having me and it's just a a blessing
to have ran into William Is becoming the premier pan
African leadership here in the West, in the person of
the Honorable mali Zulu Shabbaz. He envisioned this trip to

(02:25:57):
the king of Fossil and when we got there, we
were received. We met with all of the executive branch
of the government except for the President, and that meeting
is in the process of taking place. At each one

(02:26:18):
of the meetings that we had, the Ministers of Foreign Affairs,
the Minister of Justice, the Minister of Communication, and.

Speaker 6 (02:26:32):
On and on and.

Speaker 8 (02:26:32):
On, each one of them expressed that not only did
they want to establish a partnership, but they recognized that
we were family. They understood that we had been stolen
from the African continent, and just because we had been

(02:26:54):
stolen and in a way for a while, that did
not mean that we were not still family. And they
wanted to and they wanted to let us know that
we were welcome.

Speaker 5 (02:27:09):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (02:27:10):
So So how was that welcome like? Where would they
say welcome home, brother? Or were they curious about why
you wanted to come to Bikino Fasson.

Speaker 8 (02:27:17):
They embraced, they, they laid oufter the red carpet. We
met no one and they kept telling us time and
time again, no one. No delegation, and there's been several
that's going over there, but no delegation has gotten the

(02:27:40):
receipt or the reception that we got because we didn't
go over there trying to be Americans. We went over
there as Pan africanis. We went. We went over there
as understanding that our definition of self is defined by
the land that we're from, not by the land in
which we were born. And they accepted us and and

(02:28:01):
and accepted us to the degree that and this is
this is how you really know. They said, in order
because we were seeking uh citizenship, they said, in order
for you to get citizenship, the law is here and
became a fossil that you've got to establish a residency
for ten years. But because you have came in the

(02:28:25):
spirit that you have came under the guidance of the
Honorable mal Exulusia Bias, we're going to remove that. We're
going to speed that up. You family, you one of us,
and we're gonna build a community. That is, if you

(02:28:48):
want to come over through here, we'll have a place
for you.

Speaker 12 (02:28:52):
And you can stay there as.

Speaker 8 (02:28:54):
Long as you want to stay. And we understand that
the resources that are in the ground are for the
benefit of all Africans, not just the Africans here, but
the Africans around the world.

Speaker 10 (02:29:07):
Man time we knew.

Speaker 8 (02:29:10):
M hmm, yeah, that's how we knew. And that reception
and I mean, it just it just escalated and escalated
and escalated and escalated.

Speaker 7 (02:29:22):
I mean, I don't I don't.

Speaker 8 (02:29:24):
I don't know if I can even comprehend all of
it that took place. And we're continuing to move on
that reception because they understand that we are Wan and
they understand that that we don't have to keep putting
up with this stuff trying to be an American when
we can go home and be with family this and

(02:29:47):
you're welcome. We're welcome.

Speaker 3 (02:29:52):
And so let me jump here at six after the
top of that, I just heard the voice of Brother Ajabu.
We just got back from Bikina fossiurnaief sabasas with us
and earlier we had a call from Kareem wanted to
know what what skill sets needed in Bikina fossil A
Brother a Jabu, What do they need that we can
we can deliver?

Speaker 8 (02:30:11):
Well, uh uh, the Honorable Attorney Malik has has laid
that out. But they specifically, this is this is, this
is this.

Speaker 6 (02:30:20):
Is crucial.

Speaker 8 (02:30:25):
Of the population of Bikina fossil is illiterate. Four out
of five people can't read. So they want to address facts.
But they are they they they they are very concerned
and conscious of that they don't want to give their

(02:30:46):
their their children and education that that is against them.
They and they made it a point, you know that
we don't want to tell our people that that that
that uh Christopher Columbus, the stuff with America when we
got evidence that there was a brother from Africa that
ran into America two hundred years before him. So we

(02:31:07):
ain't gonna tell that lie.

Speaker 12 (02:31:12):
And and and I asked them, I.

Speaker 8 (02:31:13):
Said, well, do you need teachers? They say, no, we
don't need teachers. We because we want our people to
teach our people.

Speaker 6 (02:31:22):
But what we.

Speaker 8 (02:31:22):
Need is teachers that can teach our teachers. We need
those who can help us to put into the process
of how to start with the person that has lack
of knowledge and when we give them a point of knowledge,
that when they get through getting that point of knowledge

(02:31:43):
that they're an engineer or that they're a medical doctor.
And they're big. They're very skeptical about using the vaccines
that come from America because they know that those vaccines
that have come from America, America has you use that
to make the women not be able to have babies, And.

Speaker 3 (02:32:05):
So there's yeah, before you go, I want to stay
on the education tip for many brothers a job because
many of the colonized countries on the African content, their
education system is based on their colonizers. If they're the
Francophone countries, that they know about the history of France
and they try and that they're taught to be good,
become good Frenchmen. If they're they're from the Britge the

(02:32:27):
same thing or Portuguese. So how is he attempted to
change that around? Because this is where it all starts.
Starts in the minds of our children.

Speaker 8 (02:32:39):
Yes, yes, your pointers won't taken. And they're in that
mindset they understand that they have been brainwashed and they're saying,
now we're gonna undo that brainwash and we're not gonna
be a Francophone African. We're going to be an African.
We're gonna be ourselves. And the way to be ourselves
is to take over the education and get all of

(02:33:00):
that that that French stuff out of there, and that
American stuff out of there, all of those lies out
out of there, and start telling the truth to our
people about who we are, so that we can be
who we are and take our rightful place in the
world order things. They are sick and tired of being
from the richest glen on the face of the earth

(02:33:23):
and living there as the boys people.

Speaker 6 (02:33:25):
They said, that don't.

Speaker 8 (02:33:26):
Make any sense, yes, sir, and so so we under
the guidance and the leadership of the honible Mounting Zulu Shabbab,
he put together a delegation and and and and we
went over there on the listener to it to say, okay,
how can we help. And when we started getting into

(02:33:49):
the analysis, they say that, look, we don't need no money.
I mean we need money, but we don't need no money.
We got research, and we got gold, we got diamonds,
we got all we got made and these we got
the uh uh uh that stuff that they use in
electricity over there in the jet uranium. They said, we

(02:34:15):
got all of that. We just need expertise to help
to develop this for the benefit of our people.

Speaker 6 (02:34:21):
And y'all most people.

Speaker 3 (02:34:27):
Right there, oh, the brother as you and attorney Shabaz.
Alex is calling from Alexandra. He wants to make a
comedistion online for a grind rise And Alex, you're on
with Attorney Shabaz and brother Ajabu.

Speaker 10 (02:34:42):
Thank you y'all wait for your knowledge and torah, this
is what I understand about y'all. Brothers, who who's fallowed Islam?
Y'all know dad on well uh uh. Black Africans were
slaves brought to Mecca, sold like pigs on on the

(02:35:05):
slave trade.

Speaker 17 (02:35:07):
Slavery, wait man, Slavery.

Speaker 8 (02:35:10):
Did not end in Mecca. It ended in nineteen sixty.

Speaker 10 (02:35:15):
Two and it ain't been too long ago.

Speaker 6 (02:35:16):
And this is that's the job. Brothers.

Speaker 15 (02:35:18):
Follow man, what is wrong with y'all? Tell me what
is wrong with y'all?

Speaker 8 (02:35:23):
All right?

Speaker 3 (02:35:24):
Fine? Thanks people to follow me to me too, because he.

Speaker 6 (02:35:32):
Let me answer. Let me answer, brother brother. Now, I
ain't gonna get him. I'm I'm hugging, but I'm a hugging,
but we're gonna set him straight. First of all, our
dear brother who who made the comments about Islam and
slavery must have missed this broadcast because we opened up

(02:35:55):
this broadcast talking about Pan Africanism and African unity as
a priority over everything, and we have found that. Hold on,
I don't first of all far even going further, I
don't have a better representative or spokesman or advisor than

(02:36:16):
the honorable Elder Ajabu. Now back to this, back to
this gentleman point. Brother, we we've already established here that
no religious ideology, Christianity, Islam, Hebrewism, Eurobism, tribalism, none of
it supersedes the our goal of a United African States

(02:36:41):
and complete liberations and self determination for black people all
over the planet. That is our position. We don't condone
no Arab slavery. We don't condone no white slavery. We
don't condone putting our attention on Mecca or or that
what is that owning Catholic Church, or in any outside

(02:37:03):
foreign body outside of ourselves. We are now four no
ji Hiddest, no so called Jahiddest in Western Africa who
are attacking the Pan African governments of Ibraheim Chroore. I'm
du Rahman to Johnny and I see me going to
We don't support that, but we do say to you,

(02:37:25):
brother that they are Muslims. They are Muslims, but their
allegiance sisters to their African people and to whatever strength
Islam gives them, then we give credit to whatever gives
them their strength. But they are Muslims. That's got some sense.
Well some of us here. I'm a Muslim and others
here listening to our Muslims. But we're not Muslims that

(02:37:48):
are against black people. And we're not Muslims that are
follow Arabs ahead of our own black self. So and
so it's black here first, race first, the teachers that
are honorable garbish. You must have missed the first part
of the broadcast.

Speaker 3 (02:38:02):
Brother, all right, thank you for sharing that. Let me
just shout out. You know, we talked about our barber
shops earlier that we're listening that you know, during the
afternoon they would just turn on the get through the
radio where or the computers, and the people in the
barbershop would gather and have these discussions. I forgot to
mention the Clippers barbershop checked in and married in Connecticut.
The brother Preston holds Forth and what they do attorneyship outs.

(02:38:26):
They talk about the show. They listen to the show
in the morning and then they talk about it in
the afternoon. When the barbershop opens up, and I know
they want to talk about black mental health and I'm
sure they're going to talk about what's going on as
hell nations. So update us again for those folks who
want to participate in this, how do they do it?

Speaker 6 (02:38:45):
Yes, I'm going to give the number. And what you're
listening to, sisters and brothers, is a conversation about our delegation,
our political and economic delegation that has just traveled to Bakina, Fosso, okay.
And if you have skills here in America or in

(02:39:06):
the Western hemisphere, we're asking you to text one eight
seven seven five oh six two one eight four eight
seven seven five oh six two one eight four and
that is the line to the Afro descended nation and

(02:39:28):
they will register you with our Skills Bank, Skills Bank
as they work with our organization Friends of President Trajore
in the West. And the resumes are coming in now
and the skilled persons are coming in now. And we
want to let you know that this delegation was not

(02:39:49):
just a trip. It wasn't tourism. It was based on
a serious principles of struggle and that's what we're doing.
So we need you, we need teachers, we need engineers,
we need doctors, we need those that have expertise in mining,
we need security experts, and we want us to be

(02:40:11):
together on this mission. And so'll y'all check in with
us and we'll be more than happy to work with you.
As we're getting organized in this hour one eight seven
seven one eight seven seven five oh six two one
eighty four. Our staff at the Afro Descended Nation is ready.

(02:40:35):
And I do want to say that a great help
to this mission was the Afro Descended Nation and they
did put forth their own efforts. The daughter in law
of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, the wife of the Honorable
Silas Muhammad, sister Queen Harriet Abu Baker was a great spokeswoman,

(02:40:55):
a great advocate and a great asset to this trip,
as was Ambassador Tahita Sabri and Foreign Minister Rashan, the
Legend Mukasa Rix and others. So we're handling business on this.

Speaker 3 (02:41:12):
Line, all right, and all that thought right there, councilor
we gotta take a short break here and we'll come back.
We'll get with you and also Brother Ajabu about what's
going on in Bikino. Fasso family got questions about what's
happening over says in the Sahal Nations. Reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls. Next

(02:41:44):
Grand Rising family twenty one minutes off the top, there
are with our guests the founder of the Black Lawyers
for Justice. His name is Malik Shabaz and also brother,
the elder brother, Ajabu's with us. We're talking about Bikino Fossa.
But councilor let's go back stateside for a moment. I
want to get you a response to what's going on
with the Brionna Taylor shooting. Donald Trump's Justice Department wants

(02:42:05):
to just, you know, sentence one of the police officers
involved to time served, which was I guess a day
where he spent a day in jail. I want to
get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (02:42:16):
Okay, Well, Donald Trump's Justice Department actions in regard to
Brianna Taylor are consistent with his horrific uh Justice Department
actions under the Civil Rights Division since he's come into office.

(02:42:36):
His not wanting to hold an officer accountable at all
for the killing and the assassination of Brianna Taylor is
consistent with his reactionary, right right, right wing Justice Department
retreating from justice everywhere. I mean, it's really it's it's
it's really bad. Uh, in Ranking County, Mississippi, where we

(02:43:00):
were and are in Ranking County, Mississippi. In Memphis, Tennessee,
in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Now y'all know about them big cases there. Well,
he's pulled out of all of those cases, meaning the
Justice Department has pulled out of agreements or consent decrease

(02:43:23):
and or legal or pursuit of changes in those areas
and in those departments, not only in those cities but
all over the country. So it's consistent and it's horrific.

Speaker 3 (02:43:37):
So it wasn't just a Brionna Taylor. It's all those
consent decreases he's rolling back.

Speaker 6 (02:43:43):
Well, Breonna. There's a distinction between a criminal prosecution of
police officers, of which Donald Trump has stated that he's
for immunity, unqualified, not even qualified, immunity, justnity for police officers,
regardless to their conduct. So if it was up to Trump,

(02:44:06):
they never would have been prosecuted at all. If it
was up to Donald Trump, the defendants in my case
in Ranking County in and the Goon Squad, that the
goon Squad never would have been prosecuted by the Feds
if it was up to Trump. So what he does
is the sentencing comes about on his watch. This is
what happens. It's it's a no sentencing at all. Now,

(02:44:29):
the consent decrees are civil actions or his actions by
the government to monitor, to oversight and to change these
departments by putting by by monitoring and oversight and other
lawful oversight procedures. What he's done is abandon that he's

(02:44:49):
abandoned saying that Memphis Police Department has a pattern in
practice of constitutional violations. He's he's abandoned the that was
found in Rankin County, Mississippi. That these departments are operating
basically against the law and against the constitutional rights of

(02:45:11):
the people. This is what he's doing. This is what
he's doing. And I have to say that I miss
the days of being able to pick up this phone
line and talk to the US Attorney General and the
Civil Rights Division Attorney Christian Clark. Attorney Christian Clark was
a black woman that did some very very progressive actions

(02:45:35):
while she was in office. I will say that although
I'm not a necessarily I don't condone everything that the
Justice Department does, certainly, but inside the Civil Rights Division,
I can tell you that we miss Attorney General Christian Clark.

Speaker 3 (02:45:54):
Wow twenty five to top there. Let me ask you this,
though it's a criminal offense, Attorney, does this affect the
way that you can now gonna go forward here we're
prosecuting road cops or is this gonna deter you or
you're gonna be invigorated by because you know what's gonna
happen at the endgame.

Speaker 6 (02:46:12):
Okay, Well, well, well I'll specify. I would say, as
a have a civil litigator against police departments.

Speaker 24 (02:46:20):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:46:21):
But then we talk about prosecutors, Okay, state, state, apt me,
federal prosecutors who are seeking to prosecute uh, parties like
the Gloom squad or the Tyree Nichols officers in the
Tyree Nichols case, or or or in the case of

(02:46:42):
the George Floyd murder. What it is is that, well
you saw in Memphis, or outside of Memphis, you saw
in Tennessee. See how the Tyree Nichols case was lost
in criminal court by those prosecutors. Uh. That's a that's
a that's a bad sign. That's a warning sign. Basically,

(02:47:04):
two hundred and seventy from what I read this morning,
seventy percent of the prosecutors in the current Department of
Justice Civil Rights Division, these are the ones that prosecute
police officers and others, that they are resigning. They are
of all races and they're resigning. So that's that's a

(02:47:24):
bad sign. Now on a civil level, for civil attorneys
like myself, Attorney Ben Crump, and others, what it is
is it's just turning into a rougher ride. It's a
it's a rougher ride for civil lawsuits, for particularly in
the South, for families that are pursuing justice in police

(02:47:47):
brutality cases. There's a more hostile environment. The Feds are
backing out and everything is turned into the right. So
it's it's a battle. You're there, We still.

Speaker 3 (02:48:11):
All yeah, I thank you for sharing that with.

Speaker 6 (02:48:18):
It's a battle, and I don't have any I don't
have a false I mean, we gotta fight. It's just
another instance here where we gotta fight. I don't have
a necessarily a rosy picture to paint other than we
gotta roll our sleeves up. And fight for those who
are remaining here inside of America.

Speaker 3 (02:48:38):
Do you see this as as part of the puzzle
is coming together to make this a fascist state? Is
this one of the ingredients?

Speaker 6 (02:48:48):
You know? Threscism has always existed here in different forms.
I think this is what's called overt, in your face
types of fascism and getting away with it. Trump is
getting away with it. He's getting away with a lot.
He's just just yesterday or so or the other day

(02:49:10):
he tells Washington, d C. He's gonna tell Washington, d C. Well,
if you're gonna have the Commander's move to Washington, d C,
you gotta change their name back to the Redskins. I mean,
he had the mayor of Washington, d C. Go out
there and get her brush and broom and go out

(02:49:30):
there and straight black lives matter up off of the
up off of the sixteenth Street in front of the
White House. So he in many different overt ways, some
of them silly like I just main't named. He's making
his points. But he's making his points and other substantive

(02:49:51):
ways by locking up persons who are here on foreign status.
Nobody here that's on a that is not a permanent
citizen if you express your political opinion or you're demonstrating
you're not a citizen here. Well, well, uh, they're being
they're being harassed by immigration and by Ice. And and

(02:50:13):
we've seen what Ice is doing. You've seen what they're
doing to uh, the Brown sisters and brothers. So yet
fascism is is on the move, and it's on the rise,
and and and we got to we gotta deal with
it accordingly. And that's how and that's how this subject
justice and injustice ties to Africa and self determination because

(02:50:39):
because ultimately, because ultimately in these subjects that we're going
to be talking about is the injustice and the wickedness
in America. But we're also here on this line talking
about a remedy that's that can a true remedy and
not a false remedy. We're not here on the line
trying to tell you that, and that we got to

(02:51:01):
go in in two years and in one year we're
gonna win the mid term election and then we're gonna
and we're gonna we're gonna make a comeback. Uh, we
don't see no comeback happening if it's not Trump. After this,
it's looking like it's gonna be Trump Junior or advance
or white people are showing their true teeth. All over
the planet. The white man is making his move, whether

(02:51:23):
it's lawful or not. If it's the white man in Israel,
whether it's lawful or not, he's gonna kill whether it's
lawful or not. Donald Trump is making his move, whether
you like it or not, whether it's in the spirit
of America or not, or whatever spirit of cooperation amongst
all Americans. He doesn't give a damn about that. The

(02:51:45):
white man everywhere is making his move for his future.
And that's why we're here on the line talking about
the big picture, because we got to have leadership that
addresses the big picture about what we are doing for
our future right now. And that has a lot to
do with Africa, and I have a lot to do
with self determination all over for black and African peoples.

Speaker 3 (02:52:09):
All right, twenty nine away from the top, let me
just telling folks that coming up tomorrow, Tim Murphy is
going to join us. Tim wrote an unticle in The
Mother Jones about the Dark Enlightenment. Those of you who's
listening to this program for many years, Mark from Manheim
told us about the Dark Enlightenment. In fact, he predicted
all this stuff was coming down, and so he recommended
we get this guy on Tim Murphy because he did

(02:52:30):
an article and Mother Jones about a dark Enlightenment tells
you all about that and this setup. So make sure
you're listening tomorrow for that conversation eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight to seventy six, Bobs and
checking in from Buffalo. He's online, four grand Rising, Bobby
are An attorney, Malik Sha Basen, brother Jabu blessed love family.

Speaker 24 (02:52:49):
My question is do we make a mistake when we
term the Justice Department Donald Trump's Justice Department rather than
the people of the United States is department. And we
make a mistake when we just accept this past election
as being a valid, free and fair election rather than

(02:53:09):
challenging it as a trumped up, pun intended movement of
a person into the position of authority that he seems
to seek.

Speaker 6 (02:53:21):
Yes, sir, it's a great question directly to it. I
think what we acknowledge our material facts. We wish that
it was not a Justice Department under the control of
Donald Trump. Of course we wish that, but the facts
are that it is.

Speaker 3 (02:53:39):
He appoints.

Speaker 6 (02:53:41):
He has appointed the officials. He runs the department, and
he runs the agenda. And civil rights attorneys who are
listening on the line know that directly, we don't. I mean, well,
he did win the election. There now we can even yeah,
he did win that elect Now, in that election I
don't like, we may not like it or but he

(02:54:05):
won the election. And that's another material fact. Well I'm
gelling you. I want to hear you, but I just
want to say that's another material fact that let you know,
black man, about how white America and other people really
feel about you. That election was all about you.

Speaker 24 (02:54:22):
My question is he didn't crush it. It was the
closest election in history. He didn't crush it. He supposedly wanted,
but I think that it was a fixed deal so
that he wouldn't have to be prosecuted for the clients
that he was collected of. But I'm going to I
appreciate the work that you do and the work.

Speaker 8 (02:54:39):
That you have down, will hang up and listen to
let you go and finish the rest of the show.

Speaker 24 (02:54:43):
But to me, it was not a free and fair
election and we need to challenge it. I'm gonna listen
to the rest of the show.

Speaker 6 (02:54:49):
Okay, yes, sir, I won't. I won't take long with
of you, my brother, and I love you. I guess
I haven't heard many saying that they would challenge this. Yes,
the popular vote was close, but he swept the electoral college.
I mean, I haven't heard anybody say that Kamala Harris
actually won the election. But I can. But I get

(02:55:12):
you with your objection to him overall, as you just
against him overall. Help I'm against him overall. But I
guess what we're getting too on this conversation line as men,
or or what we're going to do with the facts
that are on the table. If this is a white,
right wing swinging country and we can't and God not

(02:55:34):
here to tell you that we're getting ready to vote
our way out of this, the question is what do
we do as men? We're not saying we have all
the answers, but that's our spirit. We accept the enemy
for who he is and now are ready to deal
proactively with the facts that are on the table, whether
we like those facts or not.

Speaker 3 (02:55:53):
All right, Thanks Bob, Thanks you Carl. Having said that,
do you think this Epstein probe is going to trip him? Up.

Speaker 6 (02:56:01):
Uh, I don't think so. I think Donald Trump and
his he's had he's had so many corrupt dealings and
and and they're on him about Epstein now. Surprisingly his
base Maga and others are I want to really know
what his relationship is with Epstein. Who's this, who's the child?

(02:56:21):
Uh b lester and so forth? And and because his base,
his base don't like the cover ups that it appears
that he's engaging in, because that's what he was supposed
to come into office too. So but but you know,
I mean on that sense, and I'm not praising him
at all, but he's teflon down and and and he'll

(02:56:43):
do it and he'll get out of it somehow. In
one of the ways he's trying to get out of
it right now is just by creating false political controversies.
You'll go say, he's gonna name it back to Washington Redskins,
or he's gonna do some wild stuff over the next
few weeks to take Epstein off the table. So I
say it's a threat, but it's gonna dissipate because he's

(02:57:06):
a wicked political master and he knows how to change
the channel.

Speaker 3 (02:57:12):
And the question is, you see that, and a lot
of people see that too. They see how deftity as
politically as moving around the table and moving the cards around,
and people are mess mirizing what he does. But other
people see the game that's being played, and we've got
some blacks who are on just put it, frankly, under
his spell. What do you think it's gonna take for

(02:57:34):
folks to wake up and see, because you know, by
the time they wake up, it's gonna be all over.
We're gonna have one probably one party in this country,
one political party, and that will be it. What do
you think it's gonna take for the folks who are
who are comatos to understand what's really happening? You know,
I hold that right there. I'll let you think about that.

(02:57:56):
We're gonna step aside for a few moments. I'll let
you respond when me get back, and I've got the
Theodore in postvill Has he wants to get in on
the conversation as well. Family, you two can do the same.
You can reach us at eight hundred four or five
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After the shortbreak and Grand Rising Family Faction rolling with

(02:58:27):
us on this first day of the week. I guess
he's Attorney Malik Shabbaz and Brother a Jabu's with us.
Brother Jaba is just back from Bikino. Fasso talked about
what's going on this a hell Nations, also talking about
what locally, what's going on here nationally. You wanted to
get in on this conversation, reach out to us at
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Will we do that? The elements remind you. Coming up
in the next few days, you're going to hear from

(02:58:48):
the founder of the National Conference of Black Mayors. That
will be Johnny Ford, also the President General of the
Universally African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Bruty out of Saint Louis,
an activist. Attorney Barbara Onwine is going to join us
as well. So if you're in Baltimore and make sure
your radio is locked in tight on ten ten w
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(02:59:10):
before Bringham, Theodore and Parksville. I got a tweet question tweeter,
says Grand Rising says ICE director Todd lions is cracking
down on longtime residents with no records. Says we knew
this was coming, and now he's here to pull it.
To pull it up. He is giving all kinds of reasons.
Why is this legal? Ask your guests what is our recourse?

Speaker 6 (02:59:31):
Okay, will answer this and Ice in specific, and then
we'll come back. I want, like Elder, a job of
the weigh in on your question of of what's it
gonna take to wake people up and so forth, because
we'll come right back to that. So on that Ice question,
I would say that you know a lot of things

(02:59:54):
of some some resistance in the legal is being successful
some times against aspects of what Donald Trump is doing.

Speaker 24 (03:00:09):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (03:00:10):
As if you mentioned that, if that that Ice is
uh that their actions are not always lawful in any sense,
not even objectively lawful, and so they're being challenged in court.
But they're also being helped by the Supreme Court. So uh, lawyers,

(03:00:30):
lawyers have their hands busy. We all have our hands busy,
and and and the legal efforts are are giving some
some pushback in some victories, although they were cut recently
by the Supreme Court ruling that that a federal judge, UH,
moving against a federal judge acting against one of Trump's

(03:00:54):
executive orders. That he's limited. He can't even he can't
he can't strike any he can't stop in executive order
by injunction nationwide. He can only do it in a
certain circuit. I just say all that to say that
there's some pushback going on legally, some of us being successful.

(03:01:14):
But I turned a larger question about what black are
African people? What will take to wake them up? I'm
gonna turn that the elder of job boy and let him.
Let him answer that question.

Speaker 3 (03:01:28):
Okay, my brother, let me. Tony Brown says he's gonna
take something kintaclismic to wake us up or wake the
rest of the folks up. Your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (03:01:37):
Yeah, And I thought that I heard you say listening
to you, that there was Professor James Small to say,
is that?

Speaker 6 (03:01:46):
But but.

Speaker 8 (03:01:48):
You were the reference point, and more likely I got
it wrong. I'm seventy six years old and sometimes I
miss it. But the point is still well taken. And
I hope that.

Speaker 12 (03:02:03):
If it takes.

Speaker 8 (03:02:04):
Something more cataclismic then seeing George Floyd suffocated on the
streets for nine minutes to wear it is that the
life is taken out of me, or or or it
takes something more catacliffsmic to wear its that somebody can
come from upstate New York and go to Buffalo and

(03:02:28):
just shoot old people down in the grocery store, or
or it's something more catleclifs me than to take a
young boy out there in Cleveland and shoot him down
to me, or rights with a toy gun, just shoot
him down. If it takes something more cataclysmic than that,

(03:02:48):
I pray for my people. I think I think, from
from an experience that I had in v now that
we can actually do it psychologically, if we can find
the right narrative to wake our people up and say, look,

(03:03:12):
Harry Tubman said, I could have freed more. So they
just understood that they was enslaved. Well, she didn't have
a psychological machine to help them to understand the conditions
that they was in so that they could properly understand.
And so I'm hoping that like we were in Vietnam
when Sagan Mary asked African soldiers, what are you doing

(03:03:38):
over here in Vietnam fighting us for America? And America
is fighting you? And she said that on the one
year anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination. She said that
in April the fourth, nineteen sixty nine. And when she

(03:04:00):
said that, it had such a psychological impact on the
soldiers of African descent that was over there fighting for America.
TOAs that, we said, Dana gone. I almost said something else,
but I'm gonna say, day go, what are we doing
fighting for people that's killing us? And so we quit.

(03:04:25):
And in June of sixty nine, America made a decision
to get up out of Vietnam. Because we quit, we
shut down the whole United States military. And so I'm
saying that if we come up with the proper psychological message,
that if it will wake our people up to say, hey,

(03:04:47):
no more of this, It's time to do something else.

Speaker 12 (03:04:50):
The system is.

Speaker 8 (03:04:51):
Promoting the behavior by design that we're getting. We need
to create another system. And I would hope, I pray
that that we come up with the right message towards
that it doesn't take something cataclearsmic to whereas that we
had to go through that suffering, uh in order to

(03:05:12):
wake come and say it's time to do something about
the situation that we're in. So so I'm hoping we
find the message.

Speaker 3 (03:05:22):
From the top.

Speaker 8 (03:05:22):
Brothers over in the sea, hel to find that message.

Speaker 3 (03:05:26):
Right Hold up, all right there, Brother Job with Theodore,
as I mentioned, has been holding once again in on
the conversations calling from Parksville and Maryland. He's online five
grand rising theodo are you on with brother Job. We're
attorning Malik Shabbaz frind.

Speaker 19 (03:05:39):
Rising, gentlemen, and the alarm has already been sent.

Speaker 6 (03:05:43):
We all woke up.

Speaker 8 (03:05:44):
Believe you me.

Speaker 19 (03:05:45):
We have awakened. The accumulation of events and actions by
the people that support this abomination that's in the White House.
They they they they think we haven't, but we will.
Up from what you're saying and from everything that he's done.
There's some things we have to also be aware of.

(03:06:08):
For instance, most of the Ice people, the majority of them,
they come from the people who are storming the White House.
They swear them in. It's just that simple, that's who
they are. And be very aware they took taken the
text off of silencers. Two hundred dollars tax off the silences.

(03:06:29):
That's that's been taken off. When you shoot a person
with the silencer the bullet, it makes a bullet very
difficult to determine which weapon they come out of us,
so be aware that we are also aware of the
disappearance of the of the strictures they had upon the

(03:06:50):
local police departments. And basically, it's fascism. It's an open
he's an open racist. That cuts simply to the point.
Everybody knows that you need to get the dictionary some
of us to get to deferinition of fascism. He's a racist,
and the people in the white churches they support him.

(03:07:11):
It's unfortunate. At the same time, you can't hate people.
But what you're doing, uh, the the attorney there and
the other gentleman, you are part of a what you
call her in a way not so silent uprising, because
what they've done is trying to make this guy a
king by splitting hairs. He can't be charged for anything

(03:07:34):
he does while he's in the office of a president
as long as it's part of what his duties are.
And that was a wrong decision. Miss Amy Coney Barrett,
she's a very she's another one of those woman racists.
She thought she would stand down Miss Jackson. Miss Jackson
was right in that decision with the all right, let's.

Speaker 3 (03:07:55):
Give him a chance to respond be.

Speaker 6 (03:07:58):
I want to say, you want to before we go
to the break. Yeah, I think what we're hearing on
this line is that our people are awake and they
are aware of the issues and the problem, but they're
stained or frustrated in coming about with a solution. And

(03:08:23):
that's the job of leadership. And we do have a leadership, Christy,
and we do have a leadership. Yeah, we do have
a leadership crisis and a vacuum in this hour. See now,
Maga Mega comes about as white people. Whether they're grievances
are legitimate or not. I say they're not legitimate, but
they have a body, Maga, and they have a leader

(03:08:45):
Trump that is the vehicle to carry their grievances into
constructive action. That's how they're converting their frustration into action.
And so we are here to argue to you all
today that that we we stay true to the principles
of Marcus Garvi and stay true to the principles of

(03:09:06):
Kwame Terree organize our people and our belief in self determination,
Black nationalism, Pan Africanism. And that only leads the question
of of of of of leadership, where's the where's the
where's the leadership? That will that will heal the frustration

(03:09:26):
on this on this line and get us some results,
and so we continue to call for a united front.
We're here on this line to call for a united
front and say that we do have part of the
leadership equation that can help us out of this condition.
And we're not pretentious that we can get it done
by ourselves and our and we do have constructive solutions

(03:09:52):
in Africa and inside of America. And so we're calling
for that united front today and to say that all
of the the divisions and the competition amongst black leadership
and black organizations that has gone on over the last
ten to thirty to forty years, that it's hurting.

Speaker 8 (03:10:11):
Us right now.

Speaker 6 (03:10:12):
We should be much more united when it comes to reparations,
much more united on a black agenda. And we have
engaged in tribalism, we have engaged in internal splits that
have harmed us. But we can pull out of it.
Ibraheim Trey alreays showing us that we can pull out
of it and even and that's just how it is.

Speaker 3 (03:10:37):
All right, real quickly, Jay's calling from Baltimore. Sister Jay
Online four. Your question of your comment for Attorney Shipasso
brother a Jabu can make it quick for us.

Speaker 25 (03:10:46):
Yes, this is our first time calling. I enjoyed your show.
My question is that as an average working person in America,
I find that things that we need help for, as
far as discrimination and discrimination laws are very weak. So
you can be on a job and they could discriminate
against you if you go through our neighborhoods. It's blatant

(03:11:09):
discrimination because of neighborhoods are disinvested in and because we
have allowed that to happen, and nobody has sought to
strengthened the discrimination laws or the fight for our white
as humans because if something happened, when something happened way

(03:11:30):
before we elected Trump, nobody came to the rescue of
our community when we had just blatant cooking at whites
disregarded that was that are legal, and nobody I cast
all kinds of lawyers, nobody else them. And so it's
in fact we were to somehow start something that strengthening

(03:11:56):
discrimination laws and laws that protect communities. And not just okay,
no income communities, but middle income communities don't even have
supermarket or or any kind of businesses in them. And
in every city, almost almost every city in the United States,

(03:12:16):
but in there, you know, in that same city you
have white areas that have everything they need in order
to have a good life.

Speaker 12 (03:12:23):
And so that type of right.

Speaker 3 (03:12:27):
And general hit to couch because it's your first time callab,
but please call earlier next time because we run out
of time and I want to give attendeeship buys a brother,
a job, or a chance to respond to some of
the things that you said. But I thank you for
your call.

Speaker 6 (03:12:39):
About the number here, I'm going to give out a
number here because uh one two numbers. You can text
one eight seven seven five oh six two one eight
four eight seven seven five oh six two one eight
four if you want to participaid in the self determination

(03:13:01):
program of the Astra Descending Nation Black Panther Movement, or
if you just want to reach Attorney Shabbaz and Black
Lawyers for Justice and we'll keep on fighting. And I
appreciate you having us on. I turned it the elder
at Jabo, Well, the.

Speaker 8 (03:13:18):
Sister is actually enunciating the problems of this system. What
she is experiencing is the way that this this system
is designed for you to behavior, for you to experience
the culture that's here, that's the reason why we're saying
we don't want to reform this system because it's based

(03:13:39):
on our enslavement and it's based on our approach, our oppression.
We want to change it. We don't want to be
what America has designed for us to be within this system.
We want to be Africans, what is designed for us
to be from the land from which we came.

Speaker 6 (03:13:57):
So our move is to.

Speaker 8 (03:14:01):
Permeate Pan African South the ways that we can be
ourselves and not only be the people from the richest
land on the face of the.

Speaker 3 (03:14:10):
Earth, but live in the way that And we got
to cut it there, brother job, because we flat out
of time. But I thank you and brother Atturning Malik
sabas Ars sharing all the information you did with this morning. Family,
We're done for the day. Classes dismissed. Stare strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning six o'clock right
here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and then the
DMV on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen

(03:14:33):
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