Baba Lumumba Explores Black Feminism's Impact on Freedom Movement

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
In Facting with the Most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Interacting with the Most Submissive.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Tuesday
with us. Later, Grio Baba la Mumba from a motor
house in Washington, d C. Will analyze another thought provoking
topic for us. Now, this time around Baba la Mumba
will discuss the rise of black feminism and its significant
influence on the Freedom movement. But before Babbla la Mumba,
Doctor Paula Langford will explain how fear that's right, fear

(00:57):
impacts our nervous system, especially in the current political climate.
But before doctor Langford, Illinois State Representative Shawn Ford Well
respond to Donald Trump's threat to send troops into Chicago.
A momentary Lincoln University professor Kanaka, Look, Goki, we'll check
in with us, but let's get Kevin opened the classroom
doors this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin, Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson and happy Tuesday, the second
of September.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
And how are you feelings there?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I'm still learning, Kevin, still learning and want to learn
some more. Got an appetite for learning these days, That's.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
What keeps you growing. And then of course, you teach
as you learn.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
So this is the Carl Nelson Show University, and that's
what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Right, and it keeps you young too, you know, you
want to stave off dimension all those other things. You know.
Oh yeah, yeah, you keep learning. You don't have to
do puzzles, family, and just keep learning.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, that's right. And build yourself a big library. We suggest,
you know, forget the big screen TV, get the big library.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Activate your mind.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Read a couple of the notable things that are going now.
And so, speaking of what's going on, did you realize
that Rudy Giuliani is going to receive the Presidential Medal
of Freedom according to the BBC and of course all
of the news around the country.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, he did a lot for
Donald Trump, and he was in that car accident. We
don't know how serious he is because I think it's
still hospitalized. So I think Trump is showing him a
bone some probably things he may check out or something
or maybe more serious than it really is. So he
wants to, you know, toss him something positive before before
and I hate to say, put it like this before

(02:43):
if something, if he meets his demise, but that's Donald Trump,
you know, awarding one of his buddies.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well, well, if Rudy Giuliani, you know, was known as
the America's mayor after the New York nine eleven incident,
and then he of course worked as one of Trump's
personal lawyers. And you know they say right after the
back injuries he sustained in that auto accident, And you're

(03:13):
thinking that that moved.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Trump's heart a little bit. He's giving from his heart.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Maybe I'm gonna leave that one alone. But Kevin, I think, well,
we were black folks, Ammer, Rudy Giuliani bound this. It's
not nine nine eleven. He led on those two sisters
in Atlanta, and they suit him and they're having a
hard time collecting his money. He keeps hiding in the money.
After they won the judgment and the judge told him

(03:38):
to pay up, you know, he managed to hide some
of his some of his assets. Yeah, put them with
his children's name and stuff like that. So they still
haven't gotten all the money that they were awarded and
they're still trying.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Oh, I say, the.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Lawsuit was for one hundred and forty eight million dollars,
and so you're saying he just hid the ass sets
and many of the accidents declare and then declared bankruptcy.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Right, So that's how that works.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, I'll be well, the Medal of Honor. There's a
list of notables that also won the Medal of Honor
like Muhammad Ali, doctor Jane Goodell, and Win Town and
Michael J. Fox, and so he's being ranked along with
those now. And President Barack Obama awarded then Vice President

(04:29):
Joe Biden with the Medal of Freedom. So Giuliani is
being awarded, and you know, alongside.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
There's another attempt to rewrite history. But like I said, well,
people will remember what he did in ninety eleven. You know,
in the black community were still wanting the assistans get
paid because their reputation that has been harmed irreparably. You know,
they suffered death threats, still probably getting death threats as well,
and they haven't been completely compensated for what he did.
So that's where I think most most of my folks

(04:59):
will remember Giuliani for.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Oh I see, hey, well, in other news, how about
Representative Jerry Natler is going to retire and that leaves
a seat vacant. You think that it'll be covered by
another Democrat, or will the Republicans get a seat another seat?

Speaker 5 (05:20):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know, that's that's going to be interesting fighting there
because you have New York where they're going for a
democratic socialist and he's leading all the way, still hasn't
gotten the support, the official support from Jeffreys, the governor,
and who else is there in New York. He still
hasn't got the support from the mainstream Democratic Party. Now
here comes Jerry natal who stepping aside, and he's up there,

(05:43):
he stepping aside, so they have to feel, well, fill
that that spot. So tomorrow, who's going to join us
from New York is going to tell us about what's
going on in New York? How is that? Does that
impact the Democrats? And of course i'm Charles Barret, Yeah,
Charles Barron. So he's going to analyze that what happens

(06:04):
to that seat because you know, the Republicans in some
sort of way hoping that Mandanni wins, the New York
Democratic wins the New York mayoral race, so they can
paint all Democrats as being socialists and communists is what
they're trying to tag with Mandannie. So we'll see how
that how they navigate that and you know, Charles Bown

(06:25):
will help us out with that. And he of course
he was on the New York City Council and also
also at Albany as well.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Right, that's something to look forward to then that on
your calendar. But Nabler's decision to retire says he thinks
there should be generational change in the Democratic Party and
he said that other senior Democrats should consider stepping aside
as well.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, and some people agree with him. You know, this
is part of the problem. That's why he stepping aside
because he saw what with the Mandanie vote is, as Coleester,
the young people behind and they they're coming out of vote,
you know, and the older folks because they told the
old u Jim Clyburn, South Carolina told them to vote
for to support Cuomo, and they didn't. He got behind it,

(07:13):
called the black churches, you know, and hey, you got
to support Cloma. He's a guy and black. Yeah, many
of them moved that way, but the younger folks supported Mandanni.
So you know, he probably saw that that that's a
wave that's probably started in New York City and see
how far it will go. But yeah, that's gonna be interesting,
the interesting dynamic taking place in New York City right there.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Wow, Nettler will be long known for having managed the
Trump impeachment, so.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, you know, maybe he should get first them around.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
And finally, the government shutdown is possible as Congress returns
after their month long August recess. So Congressional Republicans scored
a massive victory this summer when they passed President Trump's
at tax and spending cuts without a single Democratic vote.
But according to the BBS News, they don't have to

(08:09):
find a way to work with the Democrats or work
around them to avoid the government shut down.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Any thoughts.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, because we've been to this party several times, Kevin,
and we come right up to the edge and then
there's a deal made. And now I'm not sure how
effective that's going to be because so many they laid
off so many and fire so many federal workers. So
I'm not sure I just got that bite. But here's
what you got to watch when Congress has gone by,
not just the shutdown, the Epstein files. The Democrats are pledging,

(08:38):
and some Republicans want them to discuss the Epstein files
much more than what the government shut down. So that's
what you got to when they get back in office,
because that's why they skool that out of office real
early someone because they didn't want to talk about Epstein files.
But now you know it's still there, it's still on
the plate, so they have to deal with it when
they get back.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Wow, I tell you the politics or the parlor tricks,
it's it's really interesting the way they they play these
games with people's lives. And the Democrats have warned that
Trump is rooting for shutdown. Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut
posted on on his social media Friday, and so, uh

(09:22):
that's the way it's shaping up, Carl.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Let's uh. I'm going to just.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Turn it back over to you and the professor now
this morning.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
All right, thank you for let us know what's training
this morning, Kevin, Thank you, sir. All right, eight half
the top they Professor Galaka Logoki, welcome back to the program,
Grand rising, sir.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
Also, good morning color some thanks happy to be again
this morning.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I'm just say this, Professor Googa teachers like Lincoln University
in Pennsylvania. Professor Logoke, Uh, what's going on in the
same whole nation? So I understand that there was there's
as a talk of a coup or attempted coup took place.
Have you heard anything like or is that the internet shatter?

Speaker 6 (10:03):
And this time it looks like it is real. This
is Mali. There was an attempted call in Mali and
two generals were arrested with many other military officers. And
in the context of that, I bought it could atide Mali.
A French spy was arrested. And then this of course

(10:27):
is going to exacerbate the tension between France and Mali.
So this is what I can say about the information
about they could attape Mali and also the former prime minister.
I would play the great roles in order to to
explain the reality in Mali. When a semi guitar, the

(10:52):
current leader came to power, he was I put in
house arrest and he was it's taken to jail for
about money embezzlement. So but is saying that it is
like a conspiracy that is not real, and so that
is what is happening in Mali.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
All right, you ten half the top the professional goke
and we always have some new listeners and out of
today what's going on? They don't even know what the
heal Nations are, how it all started. Can you give
us a brief overview of how the breakaway, of how
there's a heal Nations, who they are, how it started,
and what they're trying to achieve.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
Just to be brief on this question. Mali and Nize
and booking off as well. The three countries that decided
to break away from the West African original body called

(11:53):
the Economic Community of West Africa that created the nineteen
seventy five EQUOAS and then now ECHOS has been in
the in the middle of exacts of controversies. Leaders in
those in that region changed the constitutions and the counction

(12:15):
of the countries in order to extend determined power. It
is happening as we speak. In Ivory Coast. The president
of abric Coast, Alessandra and Awatara, decided to extend to
change the consition and he's running for the first term.
In Senegal, the former president Makissal attempted to change the

(12:39):
constition in an order to run. Maybe he wanted to
run without change the concition. But over there, you know,
they stopped his uh his project. And now in Togo
there was a change of regime. And when I say regime,
I'm talking about the political system from the country led
by a presidents. Now it looks like it is a

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parliamentarian system whereby the current leader is no longer seen
as the president of the Republic, but the president of
the Council UH which is supposed to be which is
supposed to host the law makers. But the president itself

(13:22):
is now running for any election anymore in Togo. So
there are many things that that that happened in that
in that region. And also people decided in order to
take their destiny into the hands. And also those three Malagnesia,
Booking and many other countries in the region are facing

(13:42):
the threat of terrorism. Those Islamisk groups have been killing
people by thousands or hundreds on a regular basis.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
So this is.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
After popular uprisings in those three countries. The military leaders
took over power and then the Echo was now was
saying that it is against the right to power of military,
it is against you know, the creditors. So that is
the debate, and the people decided to break away. And

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then Echo was pushed by France and the Western world
put a number of economic and military and different type
of sanctions against those countries. So this is how they
decided to come together and then to support each other.
And then they moved towards Russia. They expelled the military
basis of the Western world. And so this is our

(14:41):
the letlone. They created the Confederation of the Sales States.
So this is the this is what is happening.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
All right. That's professor. It teaches a Lincoln University in Pennsylvania,
and we lean on him to find out what's going on.
How nations you just mentioned because you heard the nations
are the kin of Fasho, Mali and Nier and they
broke away from Echoas. That's the that's that's a community
economic situation that most of the African nations are involved in,

(15:10):
many of them in English speaking as well in the
in Echoas and they speak collectively. But another group that
speaks collectly for the African nations, the au so as,
the au the African Union, if they taken sides in
the dispute between Echoas and the Sahal nations.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
Yet I think that you know, they you know, in
the beginning, you know, the the African Union tried to
uh you know there to be on this side of Echoas.
But now we don't hear them too much. It is
now like a talg of war between Echoas and the Cellistates.

(15:44):
So yes, so we don't hear we don't hear the
African Union anymore.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Fifteen half the time, the our family just waking up,
Professor of go case, I guess they're discussing what's going
on in the Ahle nation, what's going on in the continent, really, Professor,
like okay as as the hell nations that are completely
separated from French are they're still using French money, having
still using French still the official language. How far that

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breakaway have they have they done with from their colonial masters.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
They're still using their French language, and then they're still
using the c frink which is the currency of former
French colonies. And now but on the they're not they're

(16:39):
not doing they're not they don't have any more those
military agreements that you know, those African countries colonial difference
still have that they're not doing that anymobily, friends, and
then they are trying to promote spirit and a sense
of sovereignty by taking back some of the companies are

(17:04):
controlled by the Europeans. I'm talking about the French companies
and Australia and many other European companies, and they're exploiting
the gold and the uranium. So they're taking back they're
trying to take them back all so this is what
is happening.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
You say, they're trying to take them back and they
nationalize those companies.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
Yeah. Yeah, they have nationalized some of them, not all
of them, and they are doing that gradually.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
And the money that they're taking now instead of it
going to Paris, the French treasure is it's stayed in
those countries. What are they doing with the money, the
funds that they've saved. Can if someone visits one of
the shald nations, will they notice a difference from prior
before the quote unquote revolution? And actually I hold that
response right there. Hear the music. We have step aside
for a few moments, doctor Lago. Can I'll let you

(17:55):
respond when we get back. Seventeen minutes at the top
of the family just waking up, I guess it. Doctor
Legoki from Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, were discussing what's going
on on the continent. You got a question reach out
to us at eight hundred and four five zero, seventy
eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls next

(18:29):
and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Tuesday morning. I guess he's a doctor Ganaka Lagoki.
He teaches that in Pennsylvania, Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, and
he's given us an update on what's going on as
sal Nations, the breakaway nations that would be in this year.
Molly and Bikino Fosso and I think the question we
asked and let me say, oh first before we do that,

(18:49):
shout out to all the folks going back to work
after a day off. They're going back to school this morning.
Take us along with us for the ride. But doctor Legoki,
the changes that we're seeing in the in the Hound Nations,
if someone who went there previously before the so called
revolution goes there today, would they notice a difference.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
I will not see. I will not they will not
see any difference.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
You know because in Booking ap As, I went to
Booking ap As, so I know over there they're trying,
you know, to engage the people I want. I say,
they're not seeing like real tangible difference. I'm talking about
the infrastructures and like housing building and many other things.

(19:35):
You know, people are doing there on the right track,
you know, for sovereign type of development. In booking up
as well, they're doing the FASIL mayble. It is like
less built booking a phasor together. People are giving what
they can, they're supporting the project. We see that, that enthusiasm,
that movement, we see that. But in two years it's

(19:58):
difficult when you are dealing with terrorism and e colonialism.
It is difficult you know, to do like a massive
like to do massive development projects. So but one thing
that I wanted to say enough for the for the
listeners is that even though these three countries are left
the Echo wors UH, which is composed like you said,

(20:22):
of English speaking countries from performed countries and then evening
countries that speak Portuguese UH, but they are still member
of the West African Military Economic Union. That group is
composed solely of frontoformed countries and then Malnesia booking up

(20:46):
as well. Most of the GP the GDP is linked
to the true that they do within that that regional
grouping with Ivory Cruds for instance, which is like the
most important economic the economic country in wein that grouping.

(21:09):
So this is the one thing I wanted to say,
you know, for all of us to do. What is
happening all right?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Twenty three out the top, as you mentioned Echo, So
that's the Economic Community of West African States. It's originally
you know, it start out with fifteen West African countries
and they you know, they promote economic integration, trade and cooperation.
This is what the how nations are broken away from.
As I mentioned it, twenty three out the top down
Mark in Baltimore has a question for you. Doctor Lagoke
is online to grant rise in market. Question for doctor Lagoke.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
Yes, good more and jentlemen, by the way, I hope
you know the listeners had a meeting forul Liberty Holiday
observers yesterday.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Good morning.

Speaker 9 (21:44):
Goki had a question of interest of the United States.
Several months ago the White House hosts of Leadership meeting
with some African and nation national heads and of state
and that to me that it really didn't go much
of anywhere. I'm actually what it was meant to accomplish.
But my question is does the United States have an
interest in this region in terms of oil or in

(22:07):
terms of other resources. I suppose they have the attitude
of Americas first, but they seem to be reaching out
looking at what other countries are doing. They will see
what they can manipulate. You know what the American interest
is wheny is you know here in the Sahao region
and episode, what is that interest?

Speaker 10 (22:23):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
What I also read, what I heard is that even
though those three countries, Malilia, Bukinava, so ask the American
in order to leave the American forces, you know, to
leave the prospective countries. We heard that do not Trump

(22:51):
administration try to engage those those countries. Like friends also
tried to engage you know, those countries. We talked about
what Fensis trying to do with and a few and
then now the idea is that the American government is saying,
or we can help you fight against the arison, but

(23:14):
you guys have to provide you know, your mineral resources.
It's the same thing that Donald Trump is doing. I
did with the Democratic Republic of Congo. Or they tried
to have that kind of conversation with those three countries
of the Cell States. So of course of mineral of
the mineral that those countries have gold, diamond, oil, uranium.

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So these are some of the resources that those countries
can provide.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
An anteresting question that the Mark asked to twenty five
off the top of our die for the gold because
what we have here you mentioned the United States is
sort of a benign collective africohol along doesn't matter who's
in the White House. But now we see that, we
see the Russians are stepping up and the Chinese are
stepping up, and they're opposing at least, you know, politically
in the United States. How does this work? Is many

(24:11):
of many of the African nations are exciting on the
side of the Russians and the Chinese. How do you
see it?

Speaker 6 (24:20):
The real the tragedy of Africa is since the inception
of the Cold War, is that any time a group
of leaders in Africa is trying to do trying to defend,
you know, the interests of Africa, the group of leaders

(24:41):
is accused by the West of being through Russian So
that is the tragedy of African, of the African politics.
So the same conversation in the forties, in the fifties,
in the eighties, it is the same conversation that you
know people are facing today. So when the French decided

(25:03):
when the French were expelled, you know, for instance, from
from Mali uh Mali decided to have some closer ties
with the Russian paramilitary group Wagner. Then the same thing
like in bookin a Fassol. And then of course you
can see in like in the Western media, how they

(25:25):
talk about Wagner committing human rep abuses, and then out
they try to show that Wagner is not succeeding, as
if when they were there they did something of substantial
and tangible. The European forces were in Mali for ten

(25:45):
good years, they could not curb uh you know, the
you know, the intensity of the tourist attacks in Mali.

Speaker 10 (25:54):
So now.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
We see, for instance that Russia somehow, and this is
also a solita, is that this is also the reality
on the ground. If it was not for Russia, the
West will have already dismountled it on the revolution like
in the Sali states. So Russia some are provided some

(26:20):
security to those three countries, uh, particularly in the case
of Mali and booking a vessel, so they know that
they are The Chinese have some strong investments in So
what Africa is doing is that not not only in
the Cell States, but across the continent people want to

(26:43):
have the right to choose the security and economic partners.
So the West does not understand it like that, but
it is happening. Uh, you don't despite everything they do
to prevent that, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
And I'm glad you mentioned the wagon big and this
gives me a chance to ask you this question. At
twenty eight minutes after the top of the Doctor is
our guest family, We've got an up there on what's
going on as Hell nations and also on the continent
as well. You mentioned that the Russians, the Wagner Group
which is security armor, one of the Russian security personnel
there and they're providing the breakaway Francophone countries with security,

(27:21):
but they're not doing for free. They have to give
up some of their minerals. So is it a is
it an issue where instead of giving France getting all
their minerals now the Russians Milt through their paramilitary group
of getting all their minerals at Dominson Goals, their mortgaging
their future for security reasons, and they're just changing a
different I guess, a different leadership if you will, Doctor Legoki.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Yeah, So to be honest, with you. I've been reading
about Wagner and then I've been hearing also I've been
reading like from different sources so east side the Western
propaganda in order to tarnish the reputation of Wagner. Uh Now,

(28:08):
like I said, to give some sense of security to
those countries, and you are right, they're not doing that
for free. The only person I know who tried to
help Africa, who tried to support the colonization process in Africa,
and who did that for free, was feel constru When Cuba,

(28:32):
in the name of the globalization of the struggle for
freedom and sovereignty, decided to send some troops in Angola
to fight against new colonial lives and then to fight
against South Africa and to fight against the puppets of
the Western world in Angola.

Speaker 10 (28:52):
When he did that, he did that for free.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
When after they defeated, you know, the new colonialist Cuba
left Angola, and Cuba did not try to do not
to you know, to have some political and some economic
and political dividends. For instance, when Angola became free, we
know that most of those oil companies were exploited, you know,

(29:17):
by the Western companies, and then most of the resources
I'm talking about the oil of Angola. But based on
the information I have, there was not any particular engagement
with Cuba, which is still suffering from the American embargo.
So that is so, that is history. So Russia is

(29:38):
not doing that for free, particularly the word Net group.
So that's the reality. But you know, in politics you
have to choose between You don't choose between the good
and the bad. You choose between two good things and
you choose the better, or you choose the best, or
you choose between two bad things and you choose the

(29:59):
lesser of the two evils. In this case, what needs
have compared to the Europeans is the lesser of the
two evils.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
All right, twenty nine away from the town, they have
a doctor Legoki from Lincoln University of Pennsylvania, Doctor Logoki.
What's happening in the shal Nations? Is this revert rebterating
through the rest of the Francophone countries like your own country,
Ivy Coast quote four. Are you hearing you know, Senegal,
all the other Francophone countries, uh, the Gambia for example,

(30:31):
are they speaking up? Are they they appreciate what's going on?
Are they thinking about joining the shale nations and what's
going on there.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Yeah, there are of course people are now you know,
particularly Blend Trawrie because of several elements like that help
us spread that it stands on international affairs. You know,
bougin As just expelled uh uh the Target Malaria Bill

(31:07):
Gates Agency in order to stop malaria in Booking a Farso.
Uh you know the you know this auh, we're doing
some genetically modified mosquitoes, according to them, in order to
reduce uh you know the you know, the reduced the
mosquitoes population in Booking a Faso. And many people think

(31:32):
that they were using that as a biological welfare, another
for population control or instances, and there are many other elements.
So when in the age of the revival of Aan Africans,
when Africans, I see most of the European agencies are
tools of the new colonial webfare against Africans. So when

(31:55):
we president take that kind of decision, of course, it
has a positive impact on the on the mind and
the hearts of many people. So this is one thing
that they did. They also expelled the un UH ambassador,
the Union representative in booking up as So after a
report was drafted uh according to which in bookingaph As

(32:19):
we children are the targets of the military regime. Uh
that according to the to the report, they've been used
as a as a child soldiers and many other elements,
so that the lady was declared the personal among gods
and booking up as all those elements. Of course a

(32:40):
preciated by many people in Africa because we want to
be free from new colonialism in my in my country,
uh ibricause of course many people I've seen people when
I moved here in the United States are here. Many
of those Africans asked me if there is a cool
DESI in aver because it looks like they hope pin

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to see the presence of Abricos Alessandra Martara, who is
seeing who is doing the work of a puppet of
friends of new colonialism. Of course he wants to you know,
to to destroy what is happening in in in the
Cell States. And then so people want him to be gone.

(33:22):
I'm seeing that when I hear what I hear. But
one thing that I want to say, which was also
a very important element, there is a young man called
Ali Lo Faso. So for those who are listening they
can do the research a l I n O space
fasol faisode that is nicknamed He was in the entertainment
field from Booknapaso and he have some investments in Abricase

(33:45):
he was arrested. We know it's close to the present
of bookingapas and then after months in the Ivorian jail
he was he was declared dead. And then this also
brought like more attentions than the eyes of Africans, of course,
our Apricos, because they know what you know, they come

(34:06):
to the government is doing. So yes, people think that
the celi State revolution is still right. It's the right
thing to do, and that trajectory is supported by many,
even though there are someone who oppose it because they
think that people are not respecting human rights in those countries.

(34:27):
And then because they think that those people are that
you really the democratic process in their respected countries.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
All right, twenty four way from the top of the
down to Goky from Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. We are
to step aside and get caught up with the latest
news when we come back. Though that's like okay, the
bricks Nations, which really Russian, Brazil, Russia in the China,
what is in South Africa? Are all involved? Do you
see any of the Hound nations joining bricks now because
a lot of the other countries I think if if

(34:56):
the Opia signed up as well, African countries are signed
up for the Bricks Nations and they're going directly opposed
to the United States. I want you to address that
when we get back. Family, you want to join this
conversation with our guest doctor Professor Legoki from Lincoln University,
discussing Africa this morning. Reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take you calls after the news and traffick in

(35:17):
sports that stays.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Tuesday morning. And if you head him back
to work and take us along with you, especially our
teachers out there are going to take care of our children.
Take us along with you, and you know on the
way home you can check out town and Reverend al
So keep your radia locked in here. If you're in
the DMV era on WL and if you're in the DMV,
if you're in Baltimore around ten ten WLB. Anyway, Professor

(36:10):
Legok is our guest. He teaches that Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. Well,
gett an update on what's going on in Africa, specifically
these hold nations that's being this year, Bikino Fosso and Molly.
Before we go back to him, though, let me remind you.
Coming up later this morning, you're gonna hear from Grio
Baba la Mumba. Also, doctor Paula Langford is going to
join us and Illinois State's state Representative Lashawan Ford will
be here. And later this week, medical doctor and scientist,

(36:33):
doctor Velvet Bulls and doctor Boltz is just back from
Bikino FOSSi. You won't want to miss her story. She's
got an incredible story her trip. She's just got back
I think this week from Bikino Fosso and Ghana as well.
Also former New York lawmaker Charles Baron, he's going to
check in. He's going to talk about politics in New
York City politics and also talk about the Heal Nations.
An Egyptian scholar and medical doctor Charles Finch will be here.
Got an all star lineup for your family, so make

(36:54):
sure if you're in Baltimore. You're radio is locked in
tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV,
run F ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifteen
w L. All right, doctor Legoki, my question to you
about Bricks. The Bricks Nations seem to be on a
you know, on a collision course with the United States
as far as replacing the US dollar. And I think
that Ethiopia has joined. Charles Brown will give us an

(37:17):
update on who's checked in on the Brick side. But
any of the breakaway Francophone nations, the salardations, are they
waiting yet? On which side are there on on this
this controversy or some people see the controversy. But with
the Bricks fight, have they joined in yet or are
they signed? Are they still on the fence?

Speaker 6 (37:36):
Very slow, those those African countries are very very slow.
Ill Algeria I wanted to join. As we talk about
French speaker country countries in Africa, we can mention Algeria
al Jida express his intentions to join the Bricks organization.
But Mali Ni, I think they dealing with so many

(38:01):
other issues. So no, I have not seen in the
news that you know, the arrest presidentation to join and
I don't even think that. Uh, you know, they're qualified
enough in order to be to join the Bricks Nations.
But one thing that I want to say is that

(38:22):
I think that the Bricks Nation I'm talking about the
founding members of the Bricks. I think they're they're too slow,
even though they're talking about supporting the sovereignty process in
the world. Yes, I understand Russia is involved in the war,
but I'm talking about China, which is now positioning itself

(38:44):
as the global power. But the China is too slow.
And then now, yes, they can do the economic development
economic uh they can have some ecomminitized with so many countries.
But uh, I don't understand the founding members of the Bricks.
There's one thing, a number two. Yes, they want to

(39:07):
deconstruct the international order. They want to fight against the
American dollars. Yes, or we understand that. But they have
to change the new liberal paradigm and they are not
doing that as it promotes who boom to, which is
a South African concept, also an African concept. They could

(39:29):
promote those alternative world views.

Speaker 11 (39:32):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
Me in Russia subject right in India. Confusion is in
China Umar in Egypt and then u Boom too and
then bo to South Africa, Bolsa Amilian, Brasil. Those alternative
world views based on social justice. I don't see the
Bricks Nations doing that or say they're still using the

(39:54):
new liberal paradigm while they claim in order to be
fighting against the United States, which is you know, the
the greatest, the greatest new liberal world view. A promoter.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
All right, twelve away from the town for our family,
just checking in. I guess you started Gnacologoki from Lincoln
University in Pennsylvania. Give us an update on what's going
on as Hound Nations and also just about what's going
on in the continent as well. It's from recorded for
the Ivory Coast. But let's talk about Togo. I've heard reports,
maybe you can confirm this or not that Togo wasn't
supporting that there's a Hound Nations, or that there was

(40:32):
talk about having a Pan African conference there in Togo
and some people sort of boycottes and nations did not attend.
Have you heard anything like that.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
The Togo wanted to organize this still hoping to organize
then African Congress. Uh, they already postponed you know that
Pan African Congress twice and then it is scheduled for
December December from the eighth to thirteen, twenty twenty five.

(41:07):
But because of the protecal reality on the ground, we
I'm not sure if they will really if they're able
to postpone it again. But yes, to Go was somehow
also close to the Cell States. They still continue to
have some strong economic and then diplomatic ties with the

(41:31):
Cell States. And then you know, so this is what
is happening. This is what I can say about to Go.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
All right, so tell us let's go, Let's go to
a court of ur the Ivory coach one time there
was there was some talk, a lot of street talk
being an overthrower and that the average Ivorian is concerned
about what's going on in the Hound nation. They'd like
to see that happen in the Court of r Is
there any talk about any sort of uprise? Because it

(42:00):
was to talk to some people who were some some
residents are unsettled with the course the current course of
the current government in the Iric courst what what say you?

Speaker 8 (42:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (42:10):
So in Africaurse, you know, the countries like it is
divided into three if I can, he has three major
political parties. If I can said that, UH. The current
president Alexander Mawakara, who came to power with the support
of the West after waging a war within power, of course,

(42:32):
is the man of the West. And then he's doing
everything possible in know the UH to to fight against
UH whomever goes against the interests of the Europeans. And
then we we have Babola who was the former president
who were taken to the HIGUE and then we came
back after he was acquitted by the International Criminal Court.

(42:54):
Is an agricurse. He created the political party UH, the
tp is c I and so he is seen beyond
his missteps by many in the region. UH, the one
who may have started the entire process. I have stopped

(43:16):
to some people in booknap so they told me that okay,
they learned from his mistakes. You know, they try to
study what happened to bab when he was in power,
when he was fighting against the French. So yes, he's there.
And then he has spoken more than once. And then
he has pressed sympathy for the Sales States. And then

(43:39):
because he has many people who follow him, So those
those Iberians that group of Iberians. Iberians of course have
like like some sympathy you know for the Sales States.
So this is what is happening in abercast. So there
is another group which is uh the for the for

(44:00):
the first ruling party in Africas late now by the
grandson of the first president Football Yi. But the current
one is that it was the current government that did
not want him and Bubble on the electoral list. So
somehow they cannot cannot be they cannot run for presidents uh,

(44:22):
according to some dubious laws in Africase. But they submitted
their candidacies to the Electoral Commission. So you know there
will be some tensions in africaurse either before the election
or after the elections and then something that this will
lead to a to the rights to power of of

(44:46):
different different political elite that may express more sympathy for
the Seali state for you know, the sovereignty and Pan Africanism.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Ate away from the topic family, just checking in, I
guess you started from Lincoln University in Pennsylvanias gave us
an update on what's going on on the continent, especially
with the Hold Nations. Doctor. At some point if we
ask how nations if they decided on one currency, if
they formed their own group of currency. That's the first question.
The second question is who prints the currency? They still

(45:21):
do they still have to go to France. They have
them the the the paper money printed. Explain that for us.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
Let's say, uh, the question is is it that? Was
it difficult? What you said? It's a very very interesting
question because I had I asked I want I want
to ask that similar question. But I wanted to know
how the countries, uh that are not part of of echos,

(45:54):
that country that do not want to deal with friends anymore,
they were still using this if you think so, or
because they say that they cannot have access to their phones,
but somehow, you know, the countries are functioning. They're using
this sea if you're frank, they pay the salaries. It
has been like that for at least more than two

(46:15):
or three years. So as definitely it looks like they're
still they're still maintained that economic financial tie will be friends.
Of course, the currency, the currency is printed in France,
so this is a this is one thing. Now the
people are saying that they're thinking about creating their own currency,

(46:38):
but you know, we're waiting all of us. We are
waiting to see if they really do that.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
You know, that's interesting because you're saying they want to
be free, it's still they if they have still have ties,
economic ties to perish. How can they be free if
they're still using the CFA frank and if they're still
the French is still printing their money, how can how
can they you know, and they're trying to break away
from from French, how can they be sure that the

(47:04):
French are on the stabilized and economically if they can't
get them militarily, they can do it economically, how do
they how do they square that?

Speaker 12 (47:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (47:13):
This uh, this is ah, this is the equation I
think that they're trying to to to resolve.

Speaker 13 (47:20):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
Then it is a little bit strange, but this is
what is happening. So we've been talking about booking up
also Malie Niche. They are still using the if A
frank and then in the beginning, I wanted to know
how they were getting those uh that those bills I'm
talking about I'm talking about Mali even asked questions to

(47:42):
some people. They say, you know, they were doing different
types of things. But now the fact that it has
been doing it has been done the way it is.
It means that certainly there are some some some some
channels of interaction we regard, you know to the CEA
for frame. Now, I understand that, uh, that people are afraid,

(48:11):
that people want to be cautious. I understand that. But
at the same time they have to make the they
have to make the move. And then there are some
economists people who are some some people that were expect
who are saying that, for instance, the country, a country
like Senegal need to have its own central bank. So

(48:33):
that is one thing that we want to see. People
can have their own central bank, then you can print
your own bills, and then you can like foster your
own economic development. There are three so I think that
the waiting is too long. So this is what I think.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Also, all right, hold that thought right there. We got
to check the traffic and weather in a different cities.
It's four minutes away from the top of the family.
Just join us. Just waking up on this Tuesday morning.
I guess his doctor goke. He's from the Ivory Coast,
but he teaches at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, and he's
got his hands on fingers and toes all over what's
going on on the continent, especially these hold nations, and

(49:11):
he's providing us with an update this morning. If if
you've got questions, reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take them after the traffic and weather. Vent's next.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
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Speaker 1 (49:27):
The Carl Nelson Show.

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Speaker 3 (49:34):
Rocking fan, Grand Rising Family. Thanks are starting your day

(49:57):
with us again on the Tuesday, September second. I guess
a professor from Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. He's got his
as I mentioned, his fingers is on what's going on
in the African continent, especially the Hound nations. We have
lashn Ford, who is an Illinois state representative from the
Chicago area. He's on deck. We get to a moment, Chell,
let's rap with the doctor. Look, doctor, look, is anything

(50:19):
else the wading to talk about that you need to
get in before we let you go?

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Yeah, yeah, thank you very much for the moment. I
just wanted to talk about friends that wanted to engage
some conversation with Nize on reparations about some colonial massacres
that occurred in Nize in the year in eighteen ninety nine.

(50:46):
Uh and then now so for me, the conversational reparation
cannot be done like that in an isolated way with
individual countries. It has to be done in a coordinated fashion.
Being Senegal, Nije Ivory goods in many other parts of Africa,
those videos have to come together so that they can

(51:07):
now they can tackle that issue of replusion collectively. So
that's the only thing I wanted to thanks for the opportunities.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I thank you again the doctor Lago Okay, thank you
for keeping us updated on the situation in the Sale Nations.
Thank you all right as doctor Legoke. Family teaches a
Lincoln University Howard grad by the way, and he's always
gave us information on the Sale Nations. As you know
Nisia Mali and Bikino Faso. All right, family is welcome.
Now Shaw and Ford, he's an Illinois state represented La

(51:37):
Show and Ford Grant Rising, welcome to the program.

Speaker 10 (51:40):
Thank you for having me, Carl, And I would say
that my daughter is a each You Howard University senior
in the School of Education, so his legacy continued with
my daughter.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Okay, yeah, and in the school of Communications your named
for where I found a Miss Kathy Hughes as well
at Howard So it all comes together right, Yes.

Speaker 10 (52:05):
Thanks for having me call.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, let's let's get right into it. That Donald Trump
is threatening to put streets streets, put soldiers on the
streets of Chicago. Uh, your response first when you heard that, Well, I.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
Mean, anytime you have someone like Donald Trump saying that
he's going to do something to a city without talking
to the leaders of the city to coordinate the efforts,
that's a problem, especially when at the same time he's
cutting and holding funds that have us reduce crime in

(52:42):
the city of Chicago by taking a holistic approach with violence,
interruptors and people that's meeting individuals that have mental health
and substance use disorders. Cutting those funds but saying that
you want safety is a problem. Now. If he wanted

(53:03):
to coordinate with Chicago and the state of Illinois to
truly provide some deterrence and security for the city and
the state, that's worth talking about. But to go in
your rivalry and say that you're getting heated to just
send troops in regardless to any plan or strategy is dangerous.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Crime.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Has crime declined in Chicago because you did the same
thing in Washington, d C. But the crime rates were down.
Is it the same in Chicago?

Speaker 10 (53:38):
Well, I mean they I hear the mayor and the
governor and the pundit saying that crime is down in Chicago.
But you know, I don't take that message to the people.
My message is they're still crime and people are still afraid,
and we should be working together, regardless to where the

(54:03):
help comes from, to try to help the people in
the state. And so if there's a real plan and
a strategy that would work where we could work collaboratively,
I think we should look at it. But in this case,
this administration is not interested in collaborating. This administration is

(54:26):
just interested in political theater to gain points. You can't
tell me that Trump is saying that he's interested in
the health and safety of the people in Chicago when
he's cutting medicaidsal Security and higher end funding, K through

(54:48):
twelve funding, early childhood funding, those in mental health funding.
How does he showed that he care about violence and
the people in Chicago when he cuts those programs.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Family's just joining us. I guess he's the showing Fort.
He's a state representative in Illinois and he's heading for
Congress as well. We'll talk about that as well. He's
a native of Chicago, born in Cabrini Greens, so he
understands that the nature of what goes on in the
Windy City fifty four people. Though mister Ford got shot
over the weekend this weekend, Labor Day weekend. If you've

(55:24):
seen the violence, you've been in Chicago all your life,
have you seen the violence uptick like this or is
this the nature of what goes on in Chicago?

Speaker 8 (55:33):
No?

Speaker 10 (55:34):
You know, I would say that this is nothing new
to the streets of Chicago, and I think that it
sends the message that the city, the state, and the
county should be working with the federal government to deter
and help people that are out there hurrying individuals. You know,

(56:00):
anytime there's an emergency, and there's normally a what you
call a meeting to come up with a plan and
a strategy. It seems like the only thing that we're
meeting about is how to fight back Trump and his
chaotic agenda. And I would say that hopefully Trump could

(56:24):
unite us in Illinois around a common cause two fight crime,
and to make sure that we protect the people in Illinois.
And so I encourage, you know, communities that's impacted by
violence to put pressure on the leaders of the state
and the city to provide some strategy and announce some

(56:49):
strategy that will protect the streets of Chicago.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Well, let me jump me here at lash On at
ten after tom feel family, because the crime, what's going
on Chicago, It's d C, New York, LA, Memphis, you know,
it's in Detroit. It seems like they're one that they're
all they're all urban centers, and they're all democratic health
positions who lead in these cities. I mean, it's our

(57:15):
folks are mostly involved. How do you see that problem
if you looked at trying to figure out what was
the cause of the problem, why is it so off
the charge if.

Speaker 10 (57:24):
You will, Well, I mean it's clear when you look
at the the unemployment rate in these communities, it's clear
that when you have people that have in their minds
nothing to lose, that they become a danger to the community.

(57:48):
When you have people that are cut out of the
mainstream economy and the only place that they feel they're
able to find a source of income is in the
street market. That is a danger.

Speaker 13 (58:05):
And so when you have.

Speaker 10 (58:09):
These communities that are starved from resources, you know it's
not acceptable, but you will see that there is more
violence in those communities. Mental health and drugs being a
problem you have in Chicago. The overdose rate of people

(58:35):
dying from heroin fittinal is declining in every demographic except
black men. Black men over those deaths are on the
rise from their counterparts. And so that tells me that
you have black men that are impacted by the unemployment, homelessness,

(59:03):
mental and behavior health, and those are indicators. I'm a
teacher by professional, and we often call those red flags.
When the person is unemployed, when a person is not
able to be gainfully employed, we say that those are

(59:23):
red flags. Now you have to at that on top
of being black in America. It's a different pressure for
black people in America. I mean, I don't know if
you have to be black to understand that, but I
would say that your listeners should take it from a

(59:45):
black man that is different than Black in America than
it is than any other race.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah, we're in agreement on that one. Lashan it is
you know, it's a lot of pressure, a lot anxiety
being black in America these days. In fact, that following you,
we're going to speak with doctor Paula Language. She's going
to explain about fear, how it impacts our nervous system,
especially in the climate that we're in today. But I
want to go back to you when we talk about
we talk about the violence that's inner cities. You're saying

(01:00:16):
that his jobs is jobs the answer? Do you think
jobs will these suppression? If these young people are employed,
the violence will stop.

Speaker 10 (01:00:26):
Well, I would say that you give people dignity in
real gainful employment. It changes the way they see themselves
in their life. I mean, I'm not saying that people will.
I mean people are not gonna feel like they could
go to work and make minimum wage. I think minimum

(01:00:46):
wage is under sixteen dollars an hour in the city
of Chicago. That's not a living wage. And so when
you have people that are smart degree and have some
type of skills and they can't find work, that becomes

(01:01:09):
a problem. And so individuals will you know, I don't
find it acceptable, but some individuals would say that it's
easier for me to work the underground market than it
is for me to go work fifteen dollars an hour

(01:01:31):
and still not be able to pay my rent, still
not be able to meet the needs of my family.
So there are no excuses for doing wrong, but we
have to always take a look at how we can
uplift our society and make sure that people have access
to the union jobs, make sure that people have access

(01:01:52):
to jobs that meet their skills. You know, many people
are shut out of the mainstream economy for many reasons
that you know should be explained. Why the unemployment rate
continues to be higher in areas where violence is high.
Why homelessness is higher and areas that are tagged with violence.

(01:02:18):
Why the dropout rate in some of these communities. High
schools are high in communities of violence.

Speaker 14 (01:02:26):
You know, why is the.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
Selling rate of people that are in these communities higher
than those in other communities and other demographics. You have
people still being arrested for marijuana, and we have to
really remember that once you get a felony on your
record in America, it sort of is a.

Speaker 12 (01:02:53):
Wall that you.

Speaker 10 (01:02:57):
Find challenging to tear down and get over, and so
that's a challenge. Many of the people in the communities
where there's a lot of violence has been labeled a felon.
And I have to say that if people did something wrong,
they should have to pay the price. But many people

(01:03:19):
in these communities have been slapped with feelings where others
would not have been given a following. They would have
been given what you call redirection, where they would be
given an opportunity to make sure that they have a

(01:03:40):
path to make sure that the crime or the charge
is removed from their records. That's not afforded to many
people in these areas where you see high crime, and
that's a challenge right now. Where the crime is high,
you see many men and women with permanent punishment is

(01:04:00):
a lifetime of living with a disability of a felony
on their record, which guess what removes their opportunity to
have a real a real employment gain for employment that
can help them feel prideful about living and feel like

(01:04:22):
they have something to live for. Anytime you have people
living around you that don't feel that they have anything
to live for us dangerous for all of us. And
so those people that believe that they respect life, we
should really respect the life of the people that are
living in our society and try to support them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Yeah, at sixteen half that top. Da'm come up on
a break. But all of that, we've got a convict
in the White House. You know, we got a feeling,
I mean our young people. So as you meant, as
we talked about if it's going to send troops into Chicago,
are you trying to get the word out so our
young folks don't get agitated, don't get trapped or spooked
or want to do something and respond to those troops

(01:05:07):
where they're on the streets to Chicago. I'll let you
respond to that when we get back up this short break. Family,
do you want to join this conversation with a show
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Speaker 1 (01:05:26):

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your day with
us the second day of September Tuesday morning, and if
you're going back to work, shout out to all postal
workers heading on the job this morning. Keep listening to
us and keep it radio on all day long. I
guess it's lashaw and forty is an Illinois state representative.
He's heading to Congress. Hopefully he's going to replace Danny Davis,
and Danny Davis has been on this program a few
times as well. But my question to you, Lashawan before

(01:06:13):
we left for the break was the fact that was
actually a two part question. The stain of a felony
on your record and for our young people, it's just indelible.
It just stays there. They can't cerk it off, unlike
with the person in the White House. That's one question,
and the second question is too, are you advising some
of our young people to stand down and show some

(01:06:34):
restraint whenever these troops come on the streets of Chicago.

Speaker 10 (01:06:39):
Well, I'll take the last.

Speaker 15 (01:06:40):
First.

Speaker 10 (01:06:41):
I would say one, anytime you have people of authority,
even if you don't agree with their approach to you,
that it's your best interest to stand down. I mean,
it's no time to show your intelligence. The only way
to express your intelligence is to exercise your right to

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be quiet and live another day, so and move away
from trouble. That's what I tell my daughter. I would
tell my loved ones that you know, live another day
and be smart and keep quiet. You know you may
not like what's being said and how it's been said

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to you, but it's in your best interest to not
express your opinions at that time. I remember when I
was in high school, I used to work at a
church and I used to clean up around the church,
and it was unbelievable because there were drug dealers selling
outside where I was cleaning up, and people out there,

(01:07:51):
bangers out there doing what they were doing. And the
police came and harassed me.

Speaker 13 (01:07:58):
Literally.

Speaker 10 (01:08:00):
I had a garbage can with a two wheeler a
Dolly on it, and it was at my garbage stand
that I was pulling and sweeping up the street. And
I learned that day that when the law enforcement comes
and challenge you, that you got to keep your mouth closed,

(01:08:21):
because I got horized by the police while I was
actually working for the church. And it was funny because
I had just taken what you call street law and
in school, and I knew I had to write a
talk and the detector told me to shut your mouth,
and I'm like, I'm working, I don't have to shut up.

(01:08:43):
I could do it, so right there, I almost got
myself in big trouble. I knew I hadn't did anything.
The detective put me in a car and he told
me he was going to take me and he was
going to work me over it in the alley. And
then all of a sudden, neighborhood got behind me and
they want to tell I say, go tell my mother.

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He said, you tell whoever f you want. So they
want to get my mother because I worked right across
the street from the house. And then they want to
get the priests out of the rectory. And that's what
saved me. But because I thought that I had a
right to talk and and and express myself, I almost
got myself in a lot of trouble with the Chicago police.

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And and so I would say stand down and just
be smart about it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Yeah, and the other part of the question too, Yeah,
because you don't want that fell felling me on your record,
because you know, for us, it's it's it's it's impacts
us more unlike the fella in the White House. You
know that stand's going to stay with you over looking
for jobs or everything you do, your credit and all that.
How do how do you convey that message to our

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young people?

Speaker 11 (01:09:56):
Though?

Speaker 10 (01:09:57):
Yeah, you know, Carl, I would tell you what's amazing
about that felony? We learned through the Bidens and the
Trumps that a felony is a big stain and a
big problem for individuals. Now Biden son, they fought tooth

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and nail. They spent a lot of money because they
didn't want their son to be labeled to fellon.

Speaker 16 (01:10:24):
Even though they have.

Speaker 10 (01:10:27):
Millions of dollars and a layer a layer of resources
to make sure that he's able to have gain for
employment and still make millions of dollars, they still knew
that being labeled a felon wasn't something that they wanted
their son to have. The same with Trump, even though

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Trump is the president with thirty four felony conditions, he
was angry that he's labeled a felon. He doesn't like
it because he knows it's not a good label to have.
And yet that's just him on his personal feeling that
he doesn't want to be labeled a felon because he

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knows that it's not a good label. Now, you got
all these people black people that's not only labeled a felon,
but feel the impact of being a felony, of being
a felon, that's a problem. So the fact that it
has been acknowledged through Trump and Biden that having a

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felony is not what you want in America is an
indication that we need to do something to end permanent
punishment in this country, especially for people that are reformed.
And so that's another reason why I believe that it's
imperative that we have people in the office that understand

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the impact of permanent punishment, because it really all these problems,
not just for the impacted, but we're all suffering from
our neighbors that can't find a job, whether it's because
they become a nuisance in the community, or could we
become the person that they rely on through our text

(01:12:19):
dollars to take care of them, whether it's we're paying
for their Medicaid, whether we're paying for their snap benefits,
or whether we are paying for them to be in concentrated.
It isn't our best interest to make sure that people
have a right to work and take care of their

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own family. And so I would encourage everyone to fight
for their dignity and fight the end permanent punishment in America.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Got it, Lashawan twenty and half the top they have family?
Just checking in lashan Ford is our guess. He's a
representatives in Illinois. Fact, last two or three elections, he's
run unopposed of folks love him in the Chicago land
and he's now running for Congress.

Speaker 17 (01:13:10):
Say that got Pardon me, I've had I've been elected
for this is my tenth term that I've never had
a opponent for the Democrat.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Uh primary, That's what I'm talking about. Anyway. Lashawn Jays
joined us from Champagne, Illinois at jeon Line one. Grand
Rising Jay on with Lashawn.

Speaker 16 (01:13:33):
Ford Big Grand Rus Grand Runs and thank you for
taking my call. I got a comment in a two
part question. So everything the Shaw is staying.

Speaker 10 (01:13:43):
I agree.

Speaker 14 (01:13:44):
I grew up in.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
Robert Taylor Projects College telling me very hard to find
a job, and uh, it's a it's a layer problem.
We used to have to go out to the Northwest
suburbs just to find a job. Those jobs on the
south Side, I mean you only got service industry jobs.
And you could read a report from the Museum of

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Science and Industry to talk about when my family finally
moved to Roselaned area, they was talking about how the
middle class jobs were evaporating there and they were suspecting
a crime increased because of it. So that's you know,
that's one part. We never even used the bank. We
used to use a currency has changed, so there's a

(01:14:27):
lack of financial literacy. I never used the bank until
I got grown, and by that time I got shot
and I wound up in a wheelchair.

Speaker 10 (01:14:35):
So everything he's saying is exactly it.

Speaker 16 (01:14:38):
I'm still in a wheelchair, still dealing with a lot
of medical issues, and you know all that. So but
with that being said, there were I had to move
remove myself from there to get upward mobility and come
out to like Champagne and go to Parkland and then
go back where I recently I finished a master's degree,

(01:14:58):
you know, but that would never happen that that can't
happen there up with mobility. So with that lack of
mobility and the lack of jobs in that area because
you have to go to the North Side and you're
not gonna get a job the in the Hispanic areas

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like over there on the vis Royal Avenue and those
Hispanic areas, those are some of the highest earner areas
in Chicago, not on the South Side. And then they
talking about you know, and I'm not knocking this, jay Budd.
They're saying like you gotta have dignity.

Speaker 10 (01:15:35):
But there's nothing there.

Speaker 16 (01:15:36):
Man. You got a group of people there that's you know,
under educated, under trained. Doston Skills Center was way out,
but they defunded a.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
Lot of that, you know.

Speaker 16 (01:15:46):
But I guess my question is that you said you
guys are meeting right now towards just counting Trump. That's
a temporary measure. And we've seen troops come in before
in ninety one, uh when and the Robert Taylor projects
when I got shot, they had to bring in the
troops then to slow down the gag fight between you know.

Speaker 10 (01:16:07):
The GDS and the BDS.

Speaker 16 (01:16:08):
But the thing is, again, what are you guys meaning
on as far as creating this mobility, This this thing
piece piece piece is not gonna stop until.

Speaker 10 (01:16:24):
There's a long term solution.

Speaker 16 (01:16:26):
And bringing in troops is a short term solution. What
long term solution are you guys coutting in place such
as financial literacy, entrepreneurship, is the cities and finances something
like that, you know, because I mean I'm gonna ask that.
And my second part is are you working with Carolina?

(01:16:46):
You know she has yes, Man, she's awesome, you know,
But I go ahead and tell me what you're doing
with that.

Speaker 13 (01:16:54):
No, I'm so glad.

Speaker 10 (01:16:55):
The first thing I was getting ready to tell you, brother,
is I hope you know Sister Emma. She is a
person that I would go to Warwood. She's that fast
in the fight of the struggle for the diaspora. And yes,
I'm working with her all the time. And she actually

(01:17:16):
is like anybody that's in the struggle in the fight
for justice for black people, you know, are ostracized and
are on the island with only a few people. And
I'm one of the people on the island with her.
And I want to let you know that you're right
about the jobs in the city. I didn't even say it,

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but it's true. The people are on the West and
South side of Chicago. There are no faculty jobs for
or jobs that people could get right in the area.
You have to have a transportation to go and get
jobs out in the far suburbs, and many people in

(01:18:00):
these areas. One, how are you going to get a
job when your license have been suspended because you can't
afford to pay child support? That's one.

Speaker 13 (01:18:09):
Two.

Speaker 10 (01:18:10):
You can't afford to buy a car because you don't
have a job, so you can't get out to the
jobs that's in the far suburbs three metra. I live
in Austin, and I've been fighting to try to get
a metro stop right on Cicero and in the Austin
area where we renamed Mandela for at least fifteen years.

(01:18:32):
And so that means that the people on the west side,
how are they going to get to the jobs that's
in the suburbs. It's very, very difficult. And then furthermore,
you have the fact that individuals, as you said, would
that have been impacted by violence, that's a real heavy

(01:18:54):
mental and behavioral health struggle for them. And so how
do we plan. Want to make sure that you understand
that I said we're not We should not just be
meeting to talk about fighting back Trump. We should be
using this opportunity to make sure that Trump unites us
for the common cause of taking care of the community

(01:19:17):
and sending a message that.

Speaker 13 (01:19:19):
We have a plan.

Speaker 10 (01:19:20):
When COVID happened, I called for an emergency order executive
order from the governor to fund programs that's impacting the
hardest hitting our communities, and that is a black community,
and we need that. We still need that executive order
from the governor of the state of Illinois to help

(01:19:44):
the black communities that's impacted by the society problems.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
All right, thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:19:51):
I don't mean to throw a lot at you, but
I'm just saying, man, we're dealing with a multi layered problem.
Everybody look at these cities, are like, why they won't stop. Well,
you don't have nothing to live for. And I was there, man,
I used to hear that a lot. When you're going
you're not gonna see twenty four right at my twenty
fourth birthday is when I got shut up. So wow,

(01:20:14):
I get it, man, And I feel like, hey, man,
I ain't get nothing to moves. I gotta do what
I gotta do. You know, I got two sons.

Speaker 10 (01:20:20):
But uh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
And Jay, We're gonna let you go because we're coming
find that break. But I want to thank you for
sharing your story with us, and congratulations on getting your
degree as well, because you bounced back.

Speaker 8 (01:20:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
It can't keep a good man down. Thanks Jay, calling
from Champagne, Illinois. Lachan, let me let's go to the
fact that you were now in the race. Danny Davis,
who's been hon there. I mentioned a couple of times
he's a congressman out of Chicago, and he selected you
to replace him. If you're successful, they're going to be
part of the Congression of Black Caucus. And right now
some people are saying that the Caucus has not reacted enough,

(01:20:54):
that we're not hearing a lot from them some of
the problems in our communities. They're being sort of silent,
missing in that, especially with all these things with Trump
putting troops on city streets, they've been quiet. How do
you see that? And if you are successful, how can
you change them to be more proactive?

Speaker 10 (01:21:14):
Well, I mean right away, one thing that I've learned
Ben and the legislature for eighteen years is collaboration and
figuring out ways to work with both parties. I mean,
you have to go in and you can't go in
thinking that you're the alpha and the omega that you're
getting ready to change.

Speaker 18 (01:21:34):
My goal is to.

Speaker 10 (01:21:36):
Build on the successes of the Black Caucus, building on
the successors of the Democratic Party, and to meet and
convince the Republicans that they must vote their constituents' interests
and start telling the truth about how harmful the Trump

(01:21:58):
rollback of civil rights and college funding is. The truth
will soon be revealed when people are going to start
losing their healthcare and not being able to go get
cancer treatment, when they're not able to go get treatment
for their substance use disorder, when they're not able to

(01:22:20):
go and get their preventive care.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
For right, and let'sho on, hold hold, I thought, right,
then we've got to step aside, get caught up with
the ladies' use traffic and whether they're not different cities.
I like to finish your response on the other side, family,
you want to join this discussion with our guest La
Show and Ford. He's Illinois state representatives heading to Congress.
What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six will get you in and we'll take
your phone calls if they use trafficking weather.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
That's next. Now back to the Carl Nelson.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Show and Grand Rising Family. Sixteen minutes away from the

(01:23:15):
top of it. I've actually staying with us this Tuesday morning,
the second day of September. I guess this Illinois State
Representative Lashawan Ford is running for Congress and is going
to to replace Danny Davis. You heard mister Davison here
several times four and actually Danny selected him to replace
him in Congress, and we were talking about what's going
to happen with the Congression of Black Caucus and what
he's going to bring to that party. But before we

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go back to let me just remind you coming up
later this morning, I'm gonna speak with Grio Baba Labomba.
Before Baba la Bomba though, doctor Paula Langford is going
to join us. She's gonna explain how fear impacts of
the nervous system, especially in the current political climate that
we now exist. And later this week you're going to
hear from medical doctor and scientist's one of the smartest
sisters we have on the planet, doctor velv Bose, just
back from the Sahal Nations. Also former New York lawmaker

(01:23:59):
Charles Brown will be here. Also Egyptian scholar and medical doctees.
I want no smart brothers. Charles Finch, Doctor Charles Finch
will be here. So if you are in Baltimore a
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nine and AM fourteen fifteen WL. All right, ll Sean,
how much you finish your thought with telling you you know,

(01:24:19):
if you get to the Congress, you get you make
that and join a congression of black caucus. Of the
differences that you think you can can make.

Speaker 10 (01:24:26):
Yeah, I think bring it and the disenfranchised people that
feel that this government doesn't work for them, and making
sure that they have a voice and have a seat
at the table and feel like it's okay to protest.
Even if you are a Democrat, it's okay to protest

(01:24:49):
and fight for being fully franchised in this democracy. I'm
you know, I've learned in my eighteen years as a
state legislator that the power is with the people. And
you start getting caught up in a bubble in Washington

(01:25:09):
or in Springfield, that's when the people are left behind.
So I am a people's representative, and so I definitely
know that it would be in my best interest to
make sure that I reach out to the disenfranchised so
that they could be included and fight for their rights

(01:25:32):
in America, all right, with fell new records, people that
are unemployed, underemployed, you know, people that are what you
call have permanent punishment, People that are living in communities
where schools are underfunded, and people that cannot afford to

(01:25:54):
go to college because the cost of going to college
is out of re people that's not interested in going
to a four year university but have skills that they
could use their hands to be in the trades. We
need to make sure that we leave no one behind
and in America, and I know that my goal is

(01:26:18):
to make sure that I work hand in hand with
the disenfranchise in America.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Got you two long away from the top. Sister Fahima
is joining the conversation, calling from Washington, DC, Grand Rising
sister Forhima. You're around with shawan Ford sister famous online
seven Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
Can you hear me now?

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Yeah, we can hear now.

Speaker 19 (01:26:40):
He just needed a good morning to your guests. I'm
just gonna raise a couple of points and then pose
the question. I'm going to be quick, and I'm really
surprised that you guess didn't mention of these things, since
he's talking about violence and those with felonies. Congressman Danny
Davis was initially did the Second Chance Act, which banned

(01:27:02):
the box and got people who were returning citizens jobs
in the federal government. In fact, he just recently introduced
that legislation in his final term in Congress.

Speaker 20 (01:27:14):
In fact, I have a.

Speaker 19 (01:27:15):
Good friend who was a returning citizen who interned as
a Congressional Black Carcer CDC with Congressman Davis and is
now an attorney. Also, Mey and Brandon Johnson hired thirty
thousand young people this summer, and that is a landmark

(01:27:36):
initiative that addresses the unemployment with young people. Also the
project at the O'Hare Mezzanine Airport which is going to
create terms of thousands of jobs even in the construction industry.
Now that being said, there are you know, negative forces

(01:27:56):
like the Maga black Maga Pece Ray Easley who was
running as a Republican and this horrible woman h Danielle
Carter and Mark Carter who have been talking about the
attorney Chicago read and have been asking Donald Trump to
come to Chicago and have really been blowing scenes out

(01:28:17):
of proportion, exaggerating, et cetera. So could you speak to
those negative forces and the misinformation and disinformation that they're spreading,
and could you share why you didn't mention those positive
things since you did raise the issue around uh uh
returning citizens and felonies, And can you please, could you

(01:28:39):
please address uh, you know, maybe it was an oversight
and I'll hang up and listen.

Speaker 10 (01:28:45):
Well, it's always good to have someone helped me to
my own horn. Of course, I worked recurrent fon Davis
and It's Second Chance. But the band of Box was
my bill that I pass in Illinois when I got elected.
That was the first bill in the first state in
the Union to ever pass a band of box for

(01:29:10):
people that have convictions on their records. My bill also,
I actually passed a bill to seal felony records for
those people that are actually settled with felonies on their records,
where they are able to go to the courts to

(01:29:31):
have their records sealed so that they're able to have
gainful employment. That was a bill that I worked on
with a community member named Melissa L.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Williams.

Speaker 21 (01:29:45):
I actually put out an email to the communities for
their ideas about bills, and a lady named Melissa she
passed away. She helped write and helped fight to get.

Speaker 10 (01:29:58):
The bill passed. And people all over Illinois are getting
their felony convictions.

Speaker 19 (01:30:07):
Field good idea to raise that because there are people
that are like the folks that I mentioned are making
it seem like it's a very horrible person. And there's
also the violence interrupters that are there on the scene,
similar to the seafire don't smoke the brothers here in Washington.
These are things that you should articulate because those three

(01:30:29):
black mega people are putting out a different narrative and
making it seem that Trump needs to come to Chicago
and things are untenable. And since you were involved in that,
these are things that you should be articulating.

Speaker 10 (01:30:41):
Thank you for reminding me to do that. Yes, and
I appreciate that. And I understand those are disenfranchised voters
and it's my job as a Democrat, as an individual
to convince them that it's better to fight for justice
with together other than to fight against each other. I mean,

(01:31:02):
it's I think that Mark Carter and p Ray you know,
those are part of the disenfranchised individuals. And Mark Carter
has been working now he's saying that he's always voted Republicans,
but he understands my fight, that I'm in the struggle
with people, and he's voting for me. In fact, he

(01:31:22):
called a meeting for me and he actually bought three
hundred people that's going to vote Democrats to help get
me elected because he knows the work that I've been
doing in the community for re entry.

Speaker 19 (01:31:37):
Well, I'll just say that this this to you respectually.
That's not what he's articulating on social media, and that's
not what he's saying when he goes on Fox News.
And so I would just say trust and verify because
these mega people do not have the interest of black
people at heart, and they're doing what is benefiting them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
All right, thank you sister for himasa On you want
to responded average as you said, Yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (01:32:01):
Think that she's right. You have to trust and verify
and do everything that you can to meet with even
the opposition. I'm never afraid to meet with the opposition.
I need to convince the opposition that what we or
what I believe in and what I'm fighting for should
be considered, and I listen to them if they feel

(01:32:24):
that what they believe should be fought for. Is my
job as a representative to also bring them on board.
There's no doubt that people that are objecting to some
of the things that are happening in this country from
the Democrats, have a right to express themselves and I

(01:32:44):
think that what we have to do is convince them
that they're very existence as Black Americans with the right
to vote comes from Democrats. With the right to go
to to universities and schools, even if they're not the
best that our communities should have comes from the work

(01:33:10):
of civil rights movement that have taken place, and that
has been with the Democrats and so Democrats or I
would say me, I am listening to the Republicans and
the Democrats to make sure that we do what's best
for the district, the Senate District and America. I mean,

(01:33:32):
when you look at it right now, this current administration
is challenging the nineteen sixty five voters rights. That's a problem.
Why is it so important that we have a right
to vote. It's important that we have a right to
vote and that we vote so that we have representation.
And so when you have an administration that makes it

(01:33:53):
almost impossible for people to vote, that's challenging because who's
going to represent you in government? Now? People would say, well,
how is he going to make it impossible the voter
id that Trump is saying that he wants to eliminate

(01:34:16):
that he signed the executive order to say that everyone
must have an ID in order to vote. You have
to have some experience and some understanding about the communities
that struggle with the ability to have an ID, and
even individuals that have left our prisons struggle to have

(01:34:43):
an ID because you have to have your birth certificate,
you have to have all of the things that are
on the list now to get an ID in this country,
because there's what you call the real ID. And you know,
there are people right now in this country and in

(01:35:03):
the seventh Congressional District that can't afford to get a
Social Security card, can't afford to get a birth certificate,
can't afford to have a home to call their primary residence,
which means that they can't produce a light bill or
gas bill to get a real ID. So it's very

(01:35:29):
hard in America to get a ID in this country.
And so now if you're saying that you can't get
a ID, that means you can't vote.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Right No, I thought, right there, Lashaw, I've got to
step aside and get caught up with the ladies' trafficking
weather not different cities. Wait and we'll come back and
let you finish your thoughts. Also, tell us what are
you going to do about voter apathy, especially in our community.
You're talking about stopping us from voting, but we got
folks who just don't want to vote. How do we
deal with that. I'll let you respond after we check
the traffic and weather or not different cities. That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
You're fracking with the most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
You're racking with the most submissive yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
And grand Rising family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Tuesday morning, the second day of September. It's back
to work, back to school for many folks. And if
you're out there rolling along, take us with us that
when you get to work as well. If you miss
any of the program, you can always download the podcast.
WI will be out later either today or tomorrow. I
guess is Lashawan forty is a state representative in Illinois.
He's heading for Congress, hopefully heading for Congress. He's got

(01:36:55):
some good ideas he wants to put on the table,
not just for Chicago Atlantic, but for the to us too,
because this is what the Congressional Black Caucus does. And momentarily,
let me just say, doctor Paul Langfors on deck. We'll
get to her momentarily, but lasean my question. I asked
you because we know what the Republicans are doing to
retard us from going to the polls. They everything to
stop us from voting, even creating fake black groups who

(01:37:16):
tell us not to vote. But there's an other segment
of our society, a huge swath that just don't vote.
They just don't believe it it does anything. It doesn't
work for us. Their vote doesn't count. What do you
say to those folks who are listening to you right now?

Speaker 10 (01:37:31):
You know, I don't think you show them. You show
them that they matter and that you are listening to them.
You bring the disenfranchise to the to the forefront, and
you get their struggles out there and they are able
to express themselves so that they see that they matter.

(01:37:52):
The only reason why people don't want to be a
part of something is because they feel shut out of it,
and so that's got to be our are north star
as a government to go after the disenfranchised so that
they could become engaged. Why would you want to be
a part of something that you feel left out? You know,

(01:38:15):
why would you want to be a part of voting
for people and voting for a system and a system
where if you live in the community and you're a
business person and banks won't lend to you to scale
up your business or start a business. You know, So
we have to fight right now in Washington, right now

(01:38:37):
to change the CRAA and put some teeth in the
cr so that these struggling businesses, the struggling entrepreneurs will
have the ability to bow money from banks. Why would
you want to be a part of a government when
the government doesn't seem to be fighting for you to
purchase a home and the cost of purchasing homes are rising,

(01:39:02):
the cost of rent is on the rise, and you
can't afford to live in the communities where you were
born and raised. You know, why would you want to
be a part of a government and voting for government
that actually is not fighting back the cost of college tuition.

(01:39:22):
So I'm saying it's critical that we do everything that
we need to do in order to engage and bring
people forward. You know, it's Black Americans are losing jobs
in an alarming rate, and our economy is really really

(01:39:43):
not favorable black people and the disenfranchised. So it's critical
that we bring people forward and give them voice and
we can't be afraid of people protesting. I say protests
so that you could be heart so that we can
make sure that what you vote for has a real

(01:40:06):
shot of becoming reality.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
All right, hold that thought right there at lash because
I've got doctor Langford onteo. But Money Mike has a
quick question for you. He's calling from Baltimore, Grand Rising.
Money Mike, your question the real quick for Lashawan.

Speaker 15 (01:40:19):
Yes, miss representative of Lashan, how do you intend to
bring him back? To disenfranchise the Democratic Party? Since President
Roosevelt was founded on bringing the poor, the working for
the working whites, the working uh just poor man, I
mean the unions. They since manufacturing is left, unions have
been dismantled. So how do you intend to bring them back?

(01:40:42):
When they feel as though you haven't given them nothing
and no reason to row. Poor schools, poor communities, no opportunities.
How do you intend to bring them back?

Speaker 16 (01:40:52):
Is my question?

Speaker 10 (01:40:53):
Yeah, that's that's the question. And I think that giving
the young people and the dish franchise or voice is
the key. It starts with being respectful individuals. I'm gonna
tell you, I'm a politician. I feel like sometimes my
voice is drowned out when I talk about fighting for

(01:41:15):
the disenfranchise, and so I'm.

Speaker 15 (01:41:18):
Saying, how are we going to do it.

Speaker 10 (01:41:20):
We're going to make sure that they understand that they
have someone in the struggle with them, someone that's willing
to help them protests and help them get changed in
government that they need. You can't have gatekeepers that represent you.
I'm not a gatekeeper. I'm somebody that says, hey, let's
open the gate and bring them in so that they

(01:41:42):
could fight for what they believe in. And some of
my best bills have come from the community, not lobbyists
given me bills, but the community, like the Skilling Bill
that I passed that have allowed for thousands and thousands
of people in ill and has been a model across

(01:42:02):
the nation for helping give people a chance to get
those records sealed. Now, I would tell you that doesn't
end permanent partnishment, because stealing a record still doesn't eliminate
it and get rid of it. It's been difficult to
expunge it. But we have to make sure that people
have the right to exponge records when they are reformed

(01:42:25):
and they need to be restored to their full citizenship.
So it's all about giving people wins, giving people the
ability to come in and fight for what they believe in,
and not ignoring them.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
All right, And we're going to have to stop it
there representating Ford again, We're going to let you go.
If folks want to follow you first, how can they
follow you? And please please tell our young folks out
there in Chicago, don't get caught up in the bait.
And when those troops start rolling down through the streets,
you know, coming out on the South Side where most
of our folks live live, all over Chicago, but don't
get to tell him, don't take the bait. So how

(01:43:03):
can our folks reach you if they want to help you?

Speaker 10 (01:43:06):
For for Congress dot Com. Thank you very much, Carl,
and I will do exactly what you said the message
from you. I will convey that message to the young people.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:43:18):
And I'd like to give a big us to Pastor
Anthony Williams. He's a strong supporter out here that understands
that that black people and the disserental franchise must be
included in the discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Oh of course. And also Chairman Fred I saw that
the mayor was a chairman Frank. They renamed the street
in Chicago for Hampton. Oh you were there. I saw
Danny Davis there.

Speaker 10 (01:43:42):
Yeah, he's a he's a great man, and he's got
a great kind spirit, and people love ver Adhampton Junior
here in Chicago and across the nation. And he's a
leader that I listened to.

Speaker 21 (01:43:55):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
I think it was here last week. Well, thanks Lashawn
and good luck. We'll talk later. Thank you, all righty,
Our next guest, doctor Paula Langford, is joining us. Grand
Rising Doctor Paula Langford, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 13 (01:44:08):
Thank you, glad to be back, and thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
For being so patient with us. You know, run over,
but spend a minute. Since you've been on, Can you
just give us quickly a little bit of your background
before we get into the topic of fear.

Speaker 11 (01:44:22):
Sure, thank you. I am a clinical social worker and
a neuroscientist, and I work with people with depression anxiety.
I did a lot of work with the DC Child
and Family Service Agency and now I am a private

(01:44:43):
practice spectitioner out here trying to make sure that our
people understand how to do some of the things that
your previous guests talked about, how to address that neurologically.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Yeah, because there is a fear factor. It's just you know,
the impact of living. Just as he mentioned earlier, if
you heard the early conversation, he said, just being a
black person in this country. You know the anxiety that
we have to go through. Other people don't understand that,
but you know, just being black in America, and some
people use different ways to medicate to alleviate the fear
factor because of the impact that it's having us. But

(01:45:22):
explain to us that the impact of the fear on
the nervous system physically, what does it do for us?

Speaker 11 (01:45:29):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Carl. Yeah. So when we think about
the human body, we cannot forget the brain. And the
brain is made up of two fears, with inside the
brain the mid part, so we have three parts of
the brain to fears, and we have the prefrontal cortex

(01:45:51):
right there in the forehead. We had the mid brain
which houses the amigdala and a middula means all men,
which is the seat of the emotions. So I always
say it's the highway to emotions. And then we have
the home brain, which is the most primitive part of
the brains. Well, the spear sits right in the middle

(01:46:12):
of the brain. The amygdala is designed to tell the body,
the host that it is in danger. And so that's
it's all its primary function. And when we have gone
through generations of oppression, we have the Transatlantic slaves frame,

(01:46:39):
as doctor Jorda Groom talks about post traumatic slaves things wrong,
that is continuously running through our nervous system. So we
have procreated and we have also pro created that spear.
So when we are addressing the fear factor, and particularly

(01:47:02):
in this political climate, the brain recognizes the emotion. It
does not recognize the event, so encapsulates it into an emotion.
So it doesn't matter if you were five and you
were afraid of someone yelling at you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
I know that.

Speaker 11 (01:47:23):
State representatives mishan Ford talked about having our youth stand down.
Whether the nervous system isn't allowing them to do that
because the brain is in fight, flight, freeze, fond or framed.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
Wow, that's pretty deep right there. Thirteen after tomp Air,
doctor Paula Langford turn lane for can you mask fear?
Can you you know if you if you understand what
it does, what you just said is your way to
you know, to accompensate so that that you don't go
into the anxiety and go into the flight of fear mode.

Speaker 11 (01:47:57):
So we don't want to even mask it. What we
want to do is address that fear and we want
to be able to reduce the response. You can do that,
and what ends up happening is even when you think
back to a previous situational incident.

Speaker 13 (01:48:15):
Where that may have started the fee right.

Speaker 11 (01:48:18):
The original trauma, your brain can actually not remember the response.
So when we masking the fear only allows it to
continuously to grow faster. We want to be able to
take an event, use brain body based intervention, which many

(01:48:44):
of our clinicians, our white clinicians use with their clients
and communities. But that's one of the things I'm trying
to bring to Baltimore. But we use those to be
able to address the fear so that our response in
the moment then become very different, so that we can

(01:49:08):
stand there and talk rationally, we can make uh not
feel as threatened, and then we can respond in a
way that is supportive of what it is that we
really need to do as a community in this time.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
All right, fifteen at the top of our family doctor
Paul Langford is, I guess is a clinical social work
and discussion fear. Now, doctor Langford, is the fear in
the Black community different from save fear in other communities.

Speaker 11 (01:49:42):
I'm gonna say yes, because other communities have not endured
these the Transatlantic slave trade and or they haven't have
experienced it in a different way. But the fear itself
is the is in the brain. Every person. We all

(01:50:06):
have a brain, and so the brains that admigdola does
that for every individual. It does it for mammals, and
so that's what it is designed to do.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
That.

Speaker 11 (01:50:17):
I don't compare fear to other groups because my focus
is on particularly black community. We are constantly targeted.

Speaker 8 (01:50:30):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:50:30):
I was talking to my dad the other day about
when a black man sees the police driving behind them,
immediately that fear starts to rev up and it increases
the adrenaline. The adrenaline is what is motivating us to
fight back. So when we were talking about the the

(01:50:54):
black community and that fear, for me, yes, it is
just nobody addressed the tremusic landisplay trade and the atrocities.
So we now are still working with that in our
neurological systems and epogenetically it has changed us physically.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Yeah, we're coming up on a prayer. We got to
ask you this. I'm glad your dad shared that story too,
because that's that resonates with a lot of folks, a
lot of black men. Are you know, driving and then
the police lights behind you coming out and the ang
society comes up? Am I going to be the next
Rodney King or something like that? How do we deal
with that though? When we come back, because we're gonna
take a short break, how do we deal with that
when you know, when confronted like that? Doctor Langford, Hey, family,

(01:51:39):
you want to join this discussion with doctor Paula Langfort,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight to seventy six. We'll take your phone
calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
And Grand Rising Family, thanks for staying with us on
this Tuesday morning, the second day of September. I guess
there's doctor Paula Langford. She's a clinical a social worker,
she's a scientist. And one of the things she's discussing
these days that she's been working on is the fear
factor and the impact of fear on the nervous system
in this current political climate. Before we left for the
breakast tell us about our dad and most black men

(01:52:38):
have been through that. Driving along the street and all
of a sudden, you know, you see the police lights
who are behind you, and the anxiety level goes up,
especially if it's late at night or early in the morning. So,
doctor Langford, how do we deal with that?

Speaker 11 (01:52:51):
Well, one of the ways we deal with that is
a Jurassic technique that a brain body based interventions. Now,
a lot of people will say they don't like therapy,
and that's one of the reasons why I'm using the
word interventions. These are ways of creating what I call
tool belts toolboxes. Many times we will create toolbloxes. But

(01:53:14):
a toolbox you can sit down, a tool belt you
take with you and you use it in the moment.
And so those grain body based techniques. I'm working on
what I call Sarabona techniques, which are African centered, ancestral
lineage focused to be able to address the fear in

(01:53:36):
the nervous system and then the techniques help us to
reduce the Admntally. The other thing that I'm believed will
be critical for our community is revisiting the hush harbor.

Speaker 14 (01:53:52):
So I have.

Speaker 11 (01:53:55):
Groups and where I call the hush harbor where we
go off and we do our healing as we need
to in communities. And so we start with understanding the history.
That's that Mayapha the Great destruction, that's that post traumatic
slave syndrome. Got the George D. Groos book, and she's

(01:54:19):
also a social work and we talked about integrating her
work into the work that I'm doing. It is teaching
African and African American history not from a not only
from a trauma perspective, but also integrating those that great
work that our ancestors have done and are doing. It's

(01:54:42):
remembering our ancestors are still here as long as we
call their names. It's also looking at educating our community
with programs like mental health, first aids, holistic healing techniques,
even gardening, retrying to the gardens because a lot of

(01:55:04):
times we are in food deserts because we are not
working with the ground that we have. We have plopped
the land here in Baltimore. I know one of my students,
Diship Troy Randall in Northwest Baltimore has a garden, and
there are several black farmers around that I have met

(01:55:27):
who are teaching the gardening. But we need to be
able to do that so that we are not always
looking to go to a grocery store and we have
fresh fruits and vegetables. And then I think that going
into programs that are already in existence, that those reentry programs,

(01:55:47):
even in community based programs that deal with mental health
or addictions, bringing those brain body based into into those
programs so that the therapies that people are participating in
are more effective. Talk therapy works, However, it does not

(01:56:12):
fully address the trauma that we as a black community
have endured and continue to endure. And I know I
mentioned the black men, but you can't forget semir Right
and the other and women who are also have been
killed by the hands of the police. One of the

(01:56:37):
things that I always say in my talks is I
remember the reading the research that many of my white
colleagues who have developed interventions or models have gone to
places like Colin Mine and Sandy Hooks and they provide

(01:56:59):
mental health on a consistent basis. So I do pay
attention to that, and they have research on the effectiveness
in those communities. However, Freddie Gray, I didn't see the
same level of interventions, and those are those brainbody based interventions.
We have to move higher than talk therapy because there

(01:57:22):
are new interventions.

Speaker 13 (01:57:24):
That are effective.

Speaker 11 (01:57:25):
But we also have to make sure that the practitioners,
and notice I said practitioners are not clinicians, because it's
not just the clinicians. We have to make sure that
the practitioners have what they need to go into their communities.
And so training clinicians, practitioners, community leaders, and healers and

(01:57:49):
these interventions help us to make sure that it is
going out to the community on a larger scale. Because
recognized as a social worker, a clinical social worker, I
just could not see enough clients to make a greater impact.
So now I've shifted my focus to training, and that's

(01:58:12):
what we need. I love the Black Panther method in
the sense of everybody had a role. So we had
the protesters, we had the the writers, we had those
who prepared breakfast and lunch for our kids, and so
everybody had a role. And as a mental health practitioner,

(01:58:35):
that is my role to make sure that we have
what we need to address the anxiety, to address the
stress so that we can be better prepared in our
what I consider our armies, to be able to take
care of our people while also addressing what's happening in

(01:58:57):
Washington and in the world, because this is not only
impact in the US, this is an impacting the world.
This is global, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
Twenty seven have the top of our family. That's doctor
Paula Langford. That she's a clinical psychiatrist, a clinical social
work upon me and she dis seemed fear. That's what
she's working with now. And we've got some folks want
to talk to. Earlier's go to line too. Professor ahman
Ras checking in from Compton, California. A grand rising in
Professor ahman Ra. You know I'm with doctor Langford, But
how are you doing, Carl, I'm still learning all right.

Speaker 18 (01:59:33):
First of all, I just wanted to say about some
previous guests that politicians. The reason people are not participating
in a lot of politics, some of our people is
can we haven't introduced a cultural value for voting and
that starts in the home or in the household, and

(01:59:55):
that is the one in which you take the kids
school board, you explain to the future paying parents that
you know local politics is very important. That sets stage
for the day to day services and in your various
form of local government services, and that type of training
and education is very crucial. With One of the issues

(02:00:16):
is that a lot of people when they run for office,
they just talk the same you know, Uh, they say.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
What right, and professor, he's gone. So can you direct
your question to doctor Langford for us?

Speaker 18 (02:00:30):
The other the other thing with the doctor about fear
h a lot about people participating drugs and they're not
afraid to take it. I agree that some of us
are suffering as cool mother more called oppression zach on neurosis.
But at the same time, uh, we we must get

(02:00:52):
beyond with the concept of fear of going to school,
uh and being excellent and education or having involved. It's
all about doctor King's a cultural movement. So I wanted
to ask the your guest right now, a serious question.

(02:01:12):
What studies showed that the mental issues that black people
are having is is fear. I taught the Black psychology
for years and fear was not one of them that
I ran across. As far as the issues, it was
always parent, household, environment and the street life. But at

(02:01:36):
the same time, it's about consciousness and rebuilding the Black
movement that includes the importance and the values of gooding,
ethics and morals and values, and teaching ourselves to love
each other. But I just wanted to see if he
can shake me a study. That said, and and and

(02:01:57):
and and I can tell shee she hadn't had back
studies because praying to us slave trade, it's not trades enslaved.
We were enslaved. Uh, it's not about the trade slave all.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Right, let's get a chance to respond, Professor Ahmenro, doctor
lamp and thank you for your call, Professor Amenro, Doctor.

Speaker 11 (02:02:22):
LANs certainly so, Bob, but thank you very much for that.
And my response to or my use of the transatlantic
slave trade does come from doctor Jorge de Grou's book. However,
when we look at the biology of the humans, uh,
that's my my focus. We know that the amigdalus, as

(02:02:49):
I said earlier, is the seat of emotions. And so
when you talk about things starting in the home, we
have what's called performance anxiety. Performance anxiety actually starts in
the home, and it starts because the brain has recognized
that I have to perform in order to be a firm.

(02:03:11):
You made a comment about the drug addiction.

Speaker 13 (02:03:15):
People who are addicted to drugs, there.

Speaker 11 (02:03:19):
Is a fear that they are not enough. That is
a brain based figure. And so while John cop Into
has done multiple studies on the brain and how it functions,
what we have been operating on are I don't want
to call them antiquated because they're very still important. But

(02:03:42):
there are new studies on how the brain functions and
why we behave the way we do. So when we
talk about being able to address all of the things, uh,
there is a fight, flight, freeze fond and now we
have friends, so we befriended our enemies so that we
will not be attacked. And so my work is based

(02:04:07):
on the biology and integrating the psychology because when we
are when we were first captured, there is by a
group that did not look like us, but that have
befriended us. Our brain's been clicked into our must and

(02:04:31):
it really isn't fight first, it's flight. We move first,
we leave first, and then the brain will say if
I can't get out of here, I'm going to fight.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
And so those.

Speaker 11 (02:04:43):
Research John Hopkins has research the brain. There are others.
So I was looking at too, studies where not black community,
and that's why I have a problem with evidence based
in but David Grand Peter Levine's and then uh, the

(02:05:08):
other one is escaping me right now. They've studied how
the brain is the response is for brainbody based interventions
on individuals, and then you have the E E, kgs
and egs that uh, the UH brain clinics have have studied.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
So I don't know.

Speaker 11 (02:05:35):
I think I've answered that UH questions. And my work
with doctor Elma Martin's, UH, doctor Ronda Wells, will Vaughn
and the African centered UH perspective is how I am
uh integrating this work into our communities. And that's why
I call them hush harbors. That's why I know that

(02:05:58):
the term is enslaved and that we are still operating
in that mode. But there are ways that our ancestors
are now speaking and telling us ways to be able
to uh undo that trauma so that we can show

(02:06:19):
up for ourselves. We can not just survive, but we
can thrive, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:06:25):
Twenty six away from the top of doctor Paula Langford,
our guest and brother Ahman Rob Professor Ahmen Rare just
calling from Compton and both of you address the issue
of the Transatlantic slave and the memory bank that it is.
But we have a whole group of our folks cannot
make that connection. You know, they still think for them
everything started, you know, way after that happened before the

(02:06:49):
my offer if you will happen. How do you does
this impact that this the fear issue? Does that impact
them differently from those who have the residual effects of
what happened through that that slave trade that we know
what happened. That's many of our answers. Is that just
you know, died or coming across the Atlantic Ocean and
there's a connection with the other side of the Atlantic
Ocean that we can connect you. But though you have

(02:07:11):
a whole swath of black folks who cannot make that
connection that you know, they're they're what you call newgroup
pian if you will creative word here. You know there's
just black people, just white people, just with a color.
How do they react to it? How do they make
that connection? I'll tell you what because that's a long
question I asked you. I'm looking at the clock. We

(02:07:32):
got to take a short break, so I'll let you
respond to that when we get back. And I thank you,
Professor Alm and Rofford checking in with us from Compton, California,
twenty four minutes away from the top of our family.
I mess we got to step aside. I guess it's
doctor Paula Langford. You want to join this incredible conversation.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
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Speaker 1 (02:07:54):

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
And Grand Rising Family fact. You're rolling with us on
this Tuesday morning, the second day of September, with our guest,
doctor Paula Langford. She's a clinical social worker scientists. She's
working on fear, the fear factor. She says, the impact
of fear on the nervous system in the current political
situation that we have going on in this country, what
it means for us. Before we go back to her, though,
let me used to remind you come up. Later this morning,
we're gonna speak with Grio Baba la Mumba from the

(02:08:39):
Moja House in Washington, d C. And later this week
we're gonna hear from medical doctor and scientist one of
the smartest sisters we have in our community, doctor Vailable Bolt.
She's just back from the Sahel Nations. Also, former New
York lawmaker Charles Brown will be here, and Egyptian scholar
and medical doctor, and another one of our brilliant brothers,
doctor Charles Finch, will be here. So if you are
in Baltimore, make sure you keep your ready to a
lit tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in

(02:09:02):
the DMV family, we're rolling on FM ninety five point
nine at am fourteen fifty WL. So doctor Linfelm, my
question is a boil it down to is the fear
issue different for the folks who under the illusion of inclusion,
they don't see the connection that you, you and Professor
aman Ram that with our ancestors. How does that deal?

Speaker 13 (02:09:23):
So their apathy.

Speaker 11 (02:09:26):
Is a fond friend response. So I'm just a fawn.
Is just that we kind of collapse right there where
we are, or I am going to befriend my enemy
as I said before, so that I'll have less oppression,
I'll have less violence towards me and hopefully none at
all it will be directed elsewhere. And so our family

(02:09:50):
who are experiencing that, that's also another way to not
address the fear, not address the and to keep the
body safe because there are what we call tells.

Speaker 10 (02:10:06):
So that is the tightness in the chest, that is
the inflammation.

Speaker 11 (02:10:10):
Which most people don't realize that the inflammation from arthritis
and other health issues. My blood pressure is all associated
with the increase of adrenaline in the body, and that
and fear, and so we stay tightened. And so for
our family members who feel like we don't need to

(02:10:34):
address the trans atlantic slave trade, we don't need to
address any of the things that have happened to us
in our history. We don't even need to read our history.
I would like to see what their numbers look like,
meaning what is their blood pressure. It is one of

(02:10:59):
the reasons why we are experiencing cancer, because the brain
is sending those signals throughout the body, and so we
are not addressed. We are not addressing it because we
are afraid when we look at it, it's going to
again impact us in a negative way. I am also

(02:11:22):
afraid of addressing what is happening because it's going to
cut off my tides to whatever it is I think
is keeping me alive.

Speaker 13 (02:11:34):
So when we look at earlier.

Speaker 11 (02:11:38):
The representative was talking about or one of the callers
was talking about what the representative was saying in terms of,
you know, being a part of the Congress and doing
the work. Our politicians are humans too, Our police are

(02:12:02):
humans too, and so they have a brain, and their
brains are operating on this heightened anxiety, just like those
who are not doing anything, just like those who are
those persons who are not voting, because.

Speaker 13 (02:12:19):
What's the use of voting.

Speaker 11 (02:12:21):
It's not gonna have any impact. And the parlor when
he talked about earlier, I wrote this down that we
have to educate folks on the value of voting. But
it's just the value of voting. But what happens to
our neurological systems when.

Speaker 13 (02:12:41):
We know we have voted or.

Speaker 11 (02:12:43):
Our people have voted. Yet we get what we have
now in the White House, what we have in Congress,
and those who are turning back in repealing laws that
they started many of us and guide us through. I
would not be able to speak as I am now

(02:13:06):
had not those our ancestors gone before me, fought and
died for this opportunity.

Speaker 20 (02:13:13):
For us to have this conversation.

Speaker 11 (02:13:15):
And so when we shrink back, that is still a
disruption in the neurological system of those individuals who are
in fun.

Speaker 3 (02:13:29):
All right, fourteen away from the topic that with doctor
Paula Langford, As I mentioned, she's a clinical social worker.
Doctor line Ford shared with us some strategies, some techniques
that we can use when we're confronted with fear. How
can we how can we turn it around so we
can work with this and possibly help us as well.

Speaker 11 (02:13:45):
The first thing is to create groups that are focused
on or or even the groups we currently have because
we got a lot of circles. We got a lot
of groups where people are meeting, but we have to
integrate the brain body based interventions into those groups. So
when we are talking about our take as an example,

(02:14:07):
the reentry programs. It's one thing to learn and talk about,
you know, addressing how you respond, Uh, it's another thing
to add the brain body based interventions. There's something called
focused eye mindfulness. And so because the eye is connected

(02:14:29):
to the optic nerve is connected to the amignala in
the middle part of the brain. If those techniques where
you look will tell your body, your body will tell
you where you are most distracted or distressed versus where
you are the calmest and focusing on what you're looking

(02:14:52):
at at the moment, going to that area in your body,
connecting that to the calmest place will reduce that fear.
It can be used for anything, and that's the stargazing
is what we used to do in terms of our
ancestors and connecting to on that spiritual level. The other

(02:15:16):
technique are things that address the meridians in the Bible
in the body, which is tapping on those meridians, which
very simple. Sometimes we even do it if we're trying
to think of an answer. A lot of people will
touch their chin. There's a meridian there and if you

(02:15:37):
tap on that chin thinking about that question you have,
it will cause your brain to figure to ask what
is touching me and reducing the adrenaline in the body,
so that in the prefrontal cortex where our logic and
reason area is uh, that's where the answer story will

(02:16:01):
reduce the anxiety with that tapping the same thing on
the vegas nerve, which runs down the center of our body.
If you tap on that center part of your body
when you are anxious, and I have to say even
when you're not anxious, because it will create preventative measures, right,

(02:16:23):
and so tapping on that to reduce that anxiety. Those
are some of the ways that I teach my groups
to be able to reduce anxiety when we are talking
about pain, because once the inflammation comes, it means that
there is something that the amigdala is trying to get

(02:16:44):
away from it. So it sends the inflammation to our joints,
It's sent the cramping in legs and feet and all
of that. So one of the things that I have
taught my seniors here in Baltimore, Ambrose is that you
can take a metal spoon from your kitchen, focus on
that pain, put that metal spoon right there where that

(02:17:07):
pain is, and what the brain will do is ask
itself what is touching me? So it will reduce the
pain in that area because it has to figure out
what is this farm object touching me. So those are
ways that I teach how to reduce the anxieties to
be able to not just function, but to really thrive

(02:17:31):
in the community. And I will be transparent my therapist.
I'm a therapist who has a therapist who has a therapist.
These are the techniques that I use because again I
am not one who doesn't experience anxiety. I have my
lost my mom last year a year ago to cancer,

(02:17:57):
and that was very devastating. And so the same techniques
I teach are the same techniques I use. And so
we don't have to be come across you know, aggressive,
We don't have to come across as passes. But we
can really use these healing techniques that came.

Speaker 12 (02:18:18):
Out of Africa.

Speaker 11 (02:18:20):
These are things the drumming, the sound, having those drums,
the bilateral music to help the brain come into equilibrium.
Those are techniques that can be used in the moment.

Speaker 3 (02:18:37):
Got you not away from the top of our family,
I hopefully following this incredible information that doctor Paula lang
For is sharing with us. If you ever wondered why, uh,
you know, high blood pressure, diabetes and in cancer issues
so prolific in our community, this is part of the reason.
It's not the only reason, but this is part of
the reason. This is all of This is what she's
talking about this morning, and Nigel is joining let's SE's

(02:18:58):
online one. He's calling from Baltimore, Rising Nigelia on with
doctor Langford.

Speaker 7 (02:19:03):
Grand Rising, I dot Carl. Okay, so I have a
question for you. Well, first of all, let me start
by saying this, I once had a friend who from
birth had this fear of pigeons, and you know she
was exhibiting, you know, fears that she did not create

(02:19:27):
in this existence or in this life. So my question
for you, first of all is do you believe that
the human is made up of at least two individuals
and that these individuals are affected differently? So for example,
we talk about the slave trade for example, right, So clearly,

(02:19:49):
you know, I can see potentially where you have the
DNA passing on information, traumas, fears, different things like that
from the father and the mother. But independent of that,
you've got now the so called spirit that even in
individuals who have been deemed to be clinically dead, once

(02:20:11):
the person is brought back, they can alter experiences that
they clearly didn't have. So what that tells me is
that in spirit form you are able to have experiences
that ultimately also can affect the physical self. So the
ultimate question here is have you come across these kinds

(02:20:33):
of trauma based fears you know that could potentially come
from both directions, and if so, how have you dealt
with it?

Speaker 11 (02:20:44):
So I am glad you asked that, because that is
where the ancestral realm goes right, and so what we
are seeing is how I see it, and many who
do this work from an African sensed perspective that we
cannot separate the spirits from the body right, the humans

(02:21:07):
and the spirit world from what we are experiencing.

Speaker 10 (02:21:12):
Everybody doesn't believe that, but nevertheless.

Speaker 11 (02:21:15):
So yes, I do believe that we have ancestors who
are impassing us in a positive But we have what
is called the unhealed ancestors, those who have been traumatized
and as my grandmother used to say, they died hard.

(02:21:36):
Thinking about Beloved, Beloved, the movie Beloved comes to mind
for me, and so, but they're a ways to heal
on both sides, to be able to have our ancestors
to heal, so that they are are benefiting us and

(02:21:57):
helping us to be able to move through this realm.
So when you go back to your friend and the
fear of birds from birth, it could very well be
I don't know, because I don't know the full story
that your friend as an infant, something happened in their

(02:22:17):
myth right where maybe the mother's screamed at a bird
or something happened with a bird, And so the brain
has to press that particular memory or maybe there was
something that happened when your friend was in utero and

(02:22:40):
it impacted the mother. Right, So that's how that is,
those the possibilities without knowing the full scope of the story.
But Carl, one of the things I can say to
but a Nigel is that the friend can dislodge that
trauma of birds by using focused mindfulness and these techniques

(02:23:06):
where we are focused on our most calm side of
our body's response. So focusing on that calm, grounded or
neutral area in the body, thinking about you know, this trauma,
and not just doing this by yourself, but with a
practitioner and learning how to do this, because I couldn't

(02:23:29):
do this by myself initially, I had a practitioner and
learning how to do that and doing that in communities
will help dislarge this trauma around these birds or any trauma,
police trauma. For our students. I do performance anxiety coaching

(02:23:51):
to reduce the trauma of taking a task. We are
always and as black people, we are tested every day
and so we.

Speaker 13 (02:23:59):
Are always pasting, but that we have to perform.

Speaker 11 (02:24:04):
What happens when I don't perform, I don't pass. What
happens when I don't perform, then my friends or my
colleagues look at me differently. And so regardless of whether
or not you are in elementary school or a CEO,
you can learn these techniques to help you show up

(02:24:24):
in a better way.

Speaker 3 (02:24:27):
Gotcha and hold that and nagel, I think you for
your call. We got to step aside for a few
moments and we come back. We wrap up with doctor
Paula Langford. Family. You got questions for her, do it
real quick? Or you want to speak to Baba Luomba.
He's on deck. We'll get to him as well. You
can reach out to us at eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your
phone calls.

Speaker 2 (02:24:43):
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Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
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Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
You're facing with the most submissive right yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:25:19):
And grand Rising family, Thanks for rolling with us on
this second day of September. Thanks for staying with us
all morning long. I guess there's doctor Paula Langford. She's
a clinical social work and she's also one that's a
great young scientist we have working in the d m
V Baltimore era. Doctor Langford though before we let you go,
I got to ask you this question. It's still a
stigma attached to having a therapist. You say, you've got

(02:25:41):
a therapist, who's got a therapists got a therapist. But
in our community, I know at one point there were
people would lastly they we want to see somebody they've
got emotional promise because you know you're going to see
a shrink and all the pjority of that they put
on that word. Is it still a stigma in our
community to help if you've got issues.

Speaker 11 (02:26:00):
Absolutely, there's still a stigma because we have not gotten
to everyone to explain what therapy is GDS for and
in the past most people have you know, we think
about foyds, but most people have white therapists. Most black
people have white therapists. We are now increasing the number

(02:26:22):
of black or bipop therapists around the country so that
we can have UH therapists who look like us. And
I'm not saying that white therapists are not effective. I'm
saying they're not uh. They may not be as effective
as having a qualified black therapist. And we've definitely increased

(02:26:49):
the number of male therapists. But whether it be a
therapist or even a coach to be able to talk to.
You could start with a coach so that you are
at least still dressing uh the issues that are keeping
you stuck in trauma, those trauma issues.

Speaker 20 (02:27:11):
Or where you would like to see yourself go.

Speaker 16 (02:27:14):
And so the stigma is still there.

Speaker 11 (02:27:16):
The stigma is will probably never go away as long
as we don't talk about therapy, the importance of therapy.
Now we have more therapists who will acknowledge that they
have a therapist, and I think, honestly, most it's not
all people need to have uh. If not a therapist

(02:27:39):
a coach to address that. Because we work in communities,
we heal in community, and so we have to make
sure that we have and the therapist is a tool
in our tool belt. We need to make sure that
we have a therapist or a coach to help us
who address the issues that we are going through.

Speaker 3 (02:28:04):
Ask you this question, though, doctor Lamford, how do you
know when you need to speak to a therapist? How
do you know when?

Speaker 11 (02:28:12):
So that comes at different time when people are ready
to uh. If you think about I'm sick and tied,
uh Fanny uh blue tamer sick of tied of being
sick and tired. When you get to that particular moment
that you recognize that you want to have a better life,

(02:28:36):
quality of life, You want to thrive and not just survive.
When you know that you have trauma and that it
is impacting your relationship, that's the time to reach out
for a therapist and a therapist. A good therapist will
tell you you don't need a therapist. I've sold many

(02:28:58):
people you might want to work with a coach because
I'm not seeing that you need to think.

Speaker 1 (02:29:04):
Hold on, man.

Speaker 3 (02:29:04):
What's the difference though, between a coach and a therapist.

Speaker 11 (02:29:08):
So the therapists will address the mental health portions of
what's going on. The coaches ten typically, I'm actually going
through a coaching program.

Speaker 18 (02:29:18):
Now.

Speaker 11 (02:29:19):
The coaches typically use motivational interviewing to get these individual
or the member to uh create their own healing journey.
There is no addressing of mental health at all because

(02:29:39):
they're not licensed to do so, where a therapist is
licensed to address mental health issues. But the coach is
sort of the person who can actually help in a
great way to get things moving when you're stuck.

Speaker 3 (02:29:59):
Got you kind of like a physician's assistant as opposed
to doctor.

Speaker 13 (02:30:03):
Right, something like that, Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:30:05):
Yeah, okay, doctor Langford, thank you, thank you for what
you shared with us this morning. If folks want to
follow us, and obviously we got to do a follow
up on this when it comes to fair because I
know we just sort of scratched the surface. Because we're
trying to help out folks today. How can they find you?
Are you on social media? How can I get in
touch with you?

Speaker 4 (02:30:24):
So?

Speaker 11 (02:30:25):
I have the Healing Institute Global on Facebook, Instagram and
LinkedIn or doctor paul and Lightingford my full name on
all of those platforms, and if anyone is interested in
having me to come talk about everybody based interventions, they

(02:30:45):
can reach out at doctor PAULA. Langford at Heal balt
h E A L B A L T at gsmail
dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:30:55):
All right, thank you and thank you for all the
work you do for our folks as well. Thank you,
doctor Langford.

Speaker 11 (02:31:00):
Thank you and thank you for having me on the show.
It's one of the reasons why I do this work
and why I left the government to come back to
specifically Baltimore to do my work.

Speaker 3 (02:31:11):
Yeah, it's good to see that. We hope many of
our folks will think about helping us first, you know,
instead of the other folks. We've got some brilliant folks
like yourself. We're out there working for the other folks
instead of helping working for us. So I thank you
doctor Langford, and thank you for sharing your thoughts with
us this morning.

Speaker 11 (02:31:26):
Thank you, Carl. But that's the fear fact that we got.

Speaker 13 (02:31:28):
To deal with.

Speaker 3 (02:31:29):
Yes, there you go, eight minutes off the top of that.
Baba Lamumba from the Mooja House. He's checking in with
us now, Grand Rising, Baba la Mumba, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 13 (02:31:39):
Well, thank you, Carl, thank you for having me back
a family.

Speaker 3 (02:31:43):
Those of you who don't know, Baba Lamoma is one
of our grills. He works out of a Moja house
in Washington, d C. This is where a group of
our elders sit around and come up with issues that
and try to flesh out and find solutions to some
of the issues that are facing us as a community.
And one of the things that Baba Lamumba wants to
talk about and he was kind of, you know, nervous
about talking, so let me tell you right a little

(02:32:03):
convincing to talk about. But we do need to talk
about it. It's the rise of black feminist and its
impact on the freedom movement. So, Baboloma, you were sort
of reluctant to deal with this. I share with that
first because I think, you know, this is something that
you wanted. I didn't think of it. It would probably
be too difficient for something.

Speaker 13 (02:32:23):
Well, you know, it's a hot topic, and I think
a lot of times when I talk about it as sisters,
they don't appreciate me criticizing their gender advocacy the extent
in which they focus on their gender advocacy. But you
know that's just the way that they have to be
talked about. You you convinced me that we need to
talk about it in a little broader context, in one

(02:32:43):
on one. So I'm here to talk about it. One
of the way I want to introduce it because I
asked the question what happened to the Black Power movement
and how does it become a Black Lives Matter movement?
What said it in that direction? When when we were
a Black Power movement, we were talking about elevating black people,

(02:33:04):
we were talking about pan Africanism, we were talking about
together we rise our people community, et cetera. But you
know today many of our sisters are really focusing on
female advocacy or or you know, And what is the
problematic aspect of that.

Speaker 12 (02:33:26):
One is when you.

Speaker 13 (02:33:27):
Substitute gender advocacy for advocacy of the whole people, you
create a problem for Black people. In other words, if
your focus is on just elevating your gender as opposed
to elevating your people totally, then we have a problem.
We have a divisiveness, a divisiveness that causes causes problems.

(02:33:49):
And we're at the point now where many many sisters
are promoting their ad advocacy black female advocacy. But we've
got to look at that. We've got to ask ourselves
what at what level does it become problematic? At what
level does it become counterproductive? When when do we have

(02:34:13):
to put a check on it and talk about another
context in which we.

Speaker 18 (02:34:17):
Are you know?

Speaker 13 (02:34:18):
In other words, how do we black lives matter?

Speaker 10 (02:34:22):
You know?

Speaker 12 (02:34:23):
And why why I started off.

Speaker 13 (02:34:24):
With comparing black power to Black lives matter, Because we've
got this dichotomy between people whose goal, whose freedom goal
is to join the system, be a part of the system,
be accepted by the system, versus people whose goal it
is to create an alternative to the system to create
to advocate for totality of black dud. We see this

(02:34:44):
over and over again. This issue keeps repeating itself. You've
got these so called fundamentalists who say, no, we were
created here by you know, in this decide we are
new people, which is total nonsense. How can we be
and how can we have been? How can we take
what we were prior to us having our culture script

(02:35:05):
from us and claim that we weren't something before we
got here, that they made us.

Speaker 12 (02:35:12):
But this is one of the the.

Speaker 13 (02:35:16):
Promotions that is out there in our community. People are
actually claiming that we were created by our our oppressor.
We were created by we We didn't, we weren't anything
we were. It's almost like saying we got civilized by
white people. I mean, it's it's really the equivalent but
nonsensical notion in which you just associate yourself with your

(02:35:41):
true roots.

Speaker 8 (02:35:42):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (02:35:43):
And some of that we see in, you know, the
kind of gender advocacy that that many of our sisters
have decided that is the focal point of what it
is they stand for, what it is they are about,
what it is they are promoting, you know, and you know,
as a what did this start?

Speaker 8 (02:36:02):
You know?

Speaker 13 (02:36:03):
And really this is sort of the beginnings of a
homosexual tendency because at one end of the female advocacy
is lesbianism is the desire that you know, I'm going
to create my relationships with other women, not my relationship
with between men and women. Now, building a family doesn't
mean having a man around.

Speaker 10 (02:36:24):
Et cetera.

Speaker 12 (02:36:25):
We have these tendencies.

Speaker 13 (02:36:26):
These things are out there. These things are things that
are right below the service that we don't talk about.
But the reality is that we need to talk about
those things. We need to actually talk about balance.

Speaker 12 (02:36:38):
We need to talk about.

Speaker 13 (02:36:39):
Our relationship between males and females is critical. It's the
critical element in our advancement is having families which involve
males and females. Relateship between a male and a female
is key to not only building family, but building community
or building a future for Black people. We can't have
a future for black people if we don't have family.

(02:37:02):
We don't have community if we don't have sound relationships
and mutual respect between bout black our men and our
women and the strength let.

Speaker 3 (02:37:12):
Me jump in here at thirteen and a half the
top theayt BA BA Lahoma see family. This is why
he thought they were a big sort of controversial that
taught him at the rise of black feminism and its
impact on our freedom movement. But bab bl Lahoma isn't
part of the problem. There's so many households aheaded just
by women, and some women say they don't need a man.
Is this part of the problem.

Speaker 13 (02:37:32):
Absolutely, that's the result of the problem. You know, you
know women are now saying they don't need men.

Speaker 12 (02:37:40):
And where did this come from?

Speaker 13 (02:37:42):
Well, I would make the contention that this absurdity was
actually begin by, you know, back in the ages where
by Oprah Winfrey's color Purple and index Shaki Shangas for
colored girls that was promoted, that's been promoted. They are
sectually tacks on black men. There is actually both of
them are to feature black men harming black women, as

(02:38:06):
though black women should be reluctant, should not trust black men,
that black men are are their adversaries, they need to
trust white men more than they do black men.

Speaker 18 (02:38:18):
You know.

Speaker 13 (02:38:19):
That's that's kind of where it began, this notion that
somehow we are to black women, that that black men
are their adversaries, that black men are what are what
armed them this was promoted by society. And look at
Oprah women, who is open women.

Speaker 12 (02:38:36):
Here's a woman who.

Speaker 13 (02:38:38):
Has no children and was never married, so she's not
a mother, she's not a wife, but she's rich, you know,
so that's a model.

Speaker 5 (02:38:47):
Uh you know.

Speaker 9 (02:38:48):
Uh, And in this.

Speaker 13 (02:38:49):
Society being rich, I think Trump's everything else. You know,
you can be rich and be a fool, but you're rich,
so you're not really a fool. You're you're you've gotten rich.
But you know, the right reality is that the estrangement
and the advocacy of black women and the opposition and

(02:39:10):
the uh, the real suspicion and disregard or disrespect or
accept it, whatever you want to call it against black
men is deliberate on the part of society. They're dividing
us at the point in which is most harmful to us.

Speaker 12 (02:39:31):
If we do not have strong.

Speaker 13 (02:39:33):
Positive relationships, strong mutual respect, strong understanding of gender roles,
strong understanding of what it means to.

Speaker 12 (02:39:39):
Be a man and a woman together and what we
build together, we won't.

Speaker 13 (02:39:43):
Have a future as a people. We just won't. We
won't be able to build community, we won't be able
to build family, we won't be able to build nations.
We won't be able to build an alternative system. We
won't be able to connect to our African ancestry. Our
African ancestry had a balance. They understood the importance of
the males and females. We can get into that if

(02:40:03):
people want to talk about what Africans saw as the
role of the.

Speaker 3 (02:40:08):
Woman, the role right and all, I thought, right there,
bubb lamon, We've got to step aside for a few
moments and we come back. I'll let you continue, and
GC in Cleveland wants to speak with you, but also
family just checking in. He's discussing the rise of black
feminists and its impact on our freedom movement. As I
tell it, was sort of reluctant to get into this
conversation because he didn't want to step on anybody's toes.

(02:40:29):
But we have to talk about it, so let's get
it on. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six, gets you in and we'll take your
phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:40:43):

Speaker 3 (02:41:07):
And Grand Rising Family actually rolling with us on this
second day of September, this Tuesday morning with our guests
Babla La Mumba. He works out of Emoja House in Washington,
d C. Is one of our grils, so a group
of elders, and they have these conversations periodically and then
we come back on the radio and have these discussions
as well. And let me just shout out to our
barber shops when we're doing the afternoon On the afternoon,

(02:41:29):
I see a lot of folks called already wanted to
get to Babblahba. But when we're doing the afternoon show though,
that people will play the program in the barbershops and
after the program was over, they'd continue the discussion because
they say that Babba La Mumba was one of their
favorite guests because it makes them think. It always comes
up with these thought provoking ideas. And had to convince
him a little that we can't talk about this and
I want to hear from our sisters, because what Babbla
Lumba is saying, family, that the rise of the black

(02:41:52):
feminism and its impact on our freedom movement and what
is the problem or is there a problem? So Bablaumba Ian,
let's you finish your thought and as a message, a
bunch of folks across the country want to speak with
you as well.

Speaker 13 (02:42:02):
Well, you know, it might be best to listen to
what people have to say and we respond to it.

Speaker 12 (02:42:07):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 13 (02:42:07):
Things I could say, but I don't want to use
up all the time just talking about the points that.

Speaker 12 (02:42:11):
I want to make.

Speaker 13 (02:42:12):
The essential point is that gender advocacy of black feminism
has become a problem. It steers us in the direction
of accommodating this system of being a part of the
system because our sisters essentially are looking for security and
and reacting to the fact that that black men. But

(02:42:33):
remember black, the role of men is to defend you,
is to protect you. You know, you can't divorce male
from the role of being a protector. Now there used
to be a protector and provider, but nowadays the role
of provider has become increasingly difficult Black for brothers who
are highly unemployed and a lot of times not in

(02:42:55):
the position to provide the income needed to be a provider.
But they are protectors. Their job is to make sure
that you're safe, to make sure that you are protected.
Their job is also to defend our community against adversaries,
to be on the front lines, to be about revolution,

(02:43:16):
to be about change, to be about producing an alternative,
and sometimes that frightens our sisters. Sometimes our sisters don't
really want they want to get closer into the system,
and a lot of times brothers want to create a
new system, and that creates the sort of problem and
a division that they accentuate themself. But anyway, I would

(02:43:37):
like to hear what people have to say and I'll
respond as much as I can to what it is
their concerns are.

Speaker 3 (02:43:42):
All right, start with the systems for us online for
Maggie calling us from Denver, Grand Rising. Maggie, you're on
with Baba La Mumba Grand Rising.

Speaker 20 (02:43:52):
Appreciate the program here. I was just going to ask,
you know, I am advocate of.

Speaker 19 (02:44:01):
The Black family, was married for twenty five years before
my husband de sis. But I was just wondering, do
you think part of the problem is some of the
brothers are dating outside their race, And you know, I'm
thinking the sisters thinking, well, we got to stand up
for ourselves if they're going to date outside the race,
especially when they you know, make it big. You know,
look at all the athletes and stuff, but we have

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a lot of them that's not athletes that are dating
outside the race. So you know, I think we have
to stand up for ourselves when that happens.

Speaker 13 (02:44:35):
Well, you know, let me just respond by saying the
tensions between us and the tendency towards integration. Let me
say that. Also, when you look at television today, most
of the couples you see on television are mixed couples.
There are white black women with white men and white
women with black women. Society is pushing this notion. It's

(02:44:56):
legitimizing the notion that it is desirable to be with
somebody and that that's progress but which is non but
but that's what society is pushing. So the fact that
many black people take hold of that.

Speaker 15 (02:45:10):
It's just mean.

Speaker 13 (02:45:10):
It's just like straight hair or or other things that
black people do are meaning to ourselves. You know, we
we one of the way. One of the things that
happened to us when we were subjugated by them is
they taught us to consider ourselves inferior. So we take
our esthetics our men and we turn that we we make,

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we turn that we don't like. We we like for example,
brothers like lighter skin back women, et cetera. You know,
we have but you see the same dec you see
it happen. Black women are not turning to feminists primarily
because black men are are are dating white men because
they've always done that, but they're they're they're doing it primary.

(02:45:56):
They're doing it primary today because it's being advocated because uh,
they're being the line of black feminism, which is we
are we should be about promoting our gender, not necessarily
our entire people. I don't promote us. So it's I
don't think the call. I don't think the reality of
the day is that that what we see in terms

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of black women turning to white men has much to
do with the historic that black men have turned to
white women. The uh, I mean it has to do
with that.

Speaker 3 (02:46:27):
All right, let's get there's a bunch of folks that's
trying to get to your bubble. Go ahead.

Speaker 20 (02:46:32):
Yeah, I just don't agree because I'm thinking, you know,
maybe when you instill it, you know, maybe you're so
much on the black woman, but maybe it's the black
man that needs to love his self. You know, if
the white society is teaching them, you know, you're so
bad and to hate yourself, then they're turning into the
you know, to the white woman, thinking they're better than us,

(02:46:53):
you know. So that's where I'm just disagreeing from. I
don't think it's so much. You know, we just have
to stand up. We gotta fight for ourselves if we
don't have a black man there to stand up for us.

Speaker 12 (02:47:03):
So that's my.

Speaker 20 (02:47:06):
Oh go ahead, all right, thank you.

Speaker 13 (02:47:09):
Well, cooking up with white men is not fighting for yourself.
It's abandoning your people, you know. I mean, yes, we
have problems in terms of our respect and love for
each other.

Speaker 12 (02:47:18):
We don't even understand what.

Speaker 13 (02:47:19):
It means to be an African. We don't, so we
can't respect it. We don't understand. We think that we're
cooking up with white people, whether we're male or female,
is advancement. We've been so sold the line of integration
assimilation as being freedom.

Speaker 12 (02:47:33):
That's the line we take.

Speaker 13 (02:47:35):
We believe that it's better for us to missgonate, to
become something other than you know words. It gets back
to the basic questions of it. What is the definition
of freedom. Is a freedom of total complete assimilation in
the society, or is it advancing your people as a people?

Speaker 12 (02:47:51):
It is enhancing your cult.

Speaker 13 (02:47:52):
That would require black power, that would require African culture,
that would require respect and understanding of African people. That
would require participating in a process that elevates and strengthens
your people, not in a process that weakens your people,
that eliminates assimilation ultimately means disappearing. You cannot allow the

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people who oppressed you to define who and what you
are and where you're going and when you hook up.
When you involve yourself, I don't care who you are,
male or female. When you put preference on white people
and hooking up with white people as being progressed, then
you are in fact denying your own self as a people.
You're working in the direction that makes your people weaker,

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not stronger.

Speaker 3 (02:48:36):
All right, eight four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six totally will be controversial. Twenty eight after the top there,
GC is calling from Cleveland Online One Grand Rising GC
Round with Baba La Mumba.

Speaker 10 (02:48:48):
Ground Rising, Ground Rising. First of all, I wanted to
address the comment that the previous college has made black
men don't particularly go after white women as they desire them.
A lot of times. You know, if you're just a
regular person, not not the that's the type that a

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lot run to, you will probably get. Uh, you probably
get ignored. Uh, there's a lot of black women who
stay that they they get grasped a lot. So when
they're in the public study and they don't really speak,
they normally don't address you or acknowledge you when you
say hello, a good morning to us. So being two
steps behind them, there's a white woman who will smile

(02:49:32):
and gives you the time of day. I don't go
that route. And I'm just saying a lot of times
that's what, uh, that's what I would more likely why
black men probably uh news interest or go to the
other route to decide to go to the other route.
My my real uh, my real comment was I have

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a daughter who's educated, and I wanted to ask if
you think that a lot of our educated women have
bought into the uh, the feminist movement. I was talking
to my daughter yesterday, she has a degree, and we
were talking about have our people bought into equity, inclusion

(02:50:17):
nor community and I just wanted to know your comment
on us just you know, so that was the top
topic for this mord All.

Speaker 3 (02:50:24):
Right, thank you, GC, And let me just add Baba Lama,
it could what GC's talking about the fact that we
look at at HBCUs and you can use howards. You're
in DC and only one third of the students are males.
Most of the students of females. It's just going to be.
This is kind of what GC is saying about his daughter.

(02:50:45):
It's just what the sisters are facing. Going ahead, I'll
let you respond to both questions.

Speaker 13 (02:50:50):
Ahead, well, that's true. How we're going to, particularly where
I want to undergraduate school is about more than two
thirds female at this point and growing more female. It's
going to it's going to be a female only school
that keeps going in the direction it's going. And it's
clear example that women have a much more tune of

(02:51:13):
the notion of being okay, finding a job, finding a career.
They want men to support them in the direction of
entering the system. Men are much more estranged from the
system and are black men are much more outside the
system or black men are more more involved in changing
And the female movement is one of acceptance of moving

(02:51:36):
towards and acceptance within the system. And that that's that's
why it's so easily played upon by white Decide why
why the message of Oprah Winfrey or in the Shaki
Shanghai or whatever that is black men are your problem
is taking hold. So you have you have those forces
if you have it being promoted. Those forces are being

(02:51:59):
promoted by society, by the media, by the ad. It's
no accident. And when you look at television now, most
couples are integrated couples. They don't even have most couples
being white couples anymore. They have most couples being black
women with white men or Asian men or somebody else.

Speaker 12 (02:52:16):
The idea of.

Speaker 3 (02:52:18):
Hold for a second, they're Bubbyloma. So how does that
play out in the white community when they see that,
they're they're uh, you know, they're in these uh mixed
couples arenas, How do how do how do you I'm
asking you to get into their minds? But how does
that play out? Because we know how playouts in our community,
But how does he play out in the white community.

Speaker 13 (02:52:37):
Well, you know, that's a good question. And you know
we're we're experience experiencing Donald Trump at this point.

Speaker 10 (02:52:42):
So what does he represent?

Speaker 13 (02:52:43):
He's he became president of the United States because of
the power and of course he has in the white community.
What is his attitude towards black people? His attitudes towards
black people. If you're black, no matter what you achieved,
you didn't you didn't achieve it on your own merit.
You achieved it because somebody gave it to you. That's
his attitude. He fires all black people into positions of
other they e became President of the United States, or

(02:53:06):
that notion of black inferiority. White people are vodi They
want you to feel inferior to them. They want you,
they need you to say you're not as good as them.
They want to feel superior to you. They have this
basic need. That's why they come and got you in
Africa in the first place. When they went to Africa,

(02:53:26):
they wasn't got black people, they didn't get Arabs, they
didn't get barb berbers, they didn't take it. They took
black people. And then they taught them here that they
are inferior. And we have ingested that, we have internalized
this notion that straight hair is good hair. You know,
we've internalized the notion of black We cannot deny the

(02:53:47):
fact that we have bought into white to white supremacy
or the opposite side of which is black inferiority. We
bought into the notion of black inferiority and we can't
deny it that and we have to work that out.
And the only way we're going to work that out
is appreciation for Africa and understanding. After I was a

(02:54:08):
few weeks ago, I was at in the Cone. I
don't know if people know what in the Cone is,
but it was an African religious ceremony that comes pretty
much out of Ghana, but you know, we and I
was noticing how how comfortable black people were dancing to
the drum, the the African drum, how much they appreciated
being themselves without even really knowing what they are. They

(02:54:31):
were dancing and drumming and being themselves and being an African.
But they were They learned that they had to relearn
that they didn't they didn't know that when they were going.
And we were talking about people in their twenties and thirties,
we're talking about the whole loom from people expressing being
an African and enjoying it. We have to learn to
be ourselves, to appreciate ourselves, to participate in ourselves, to

(02:54:54):
realize that in order for us to progress, we cannot
focus on way they have imposed this notion of us
that we are inferior people.

Speaker 12 (02:55:04):
And we've accepted that notion, we've got to abandon it.

Speaker 13 (02:55:07):
And the only way we can abandon that is appreciate
it is to become an African and become absorbed by
and committed to being ourselves. And being ourselves is not
being what they made us, being ourselves as being what
we were before they made us, and also taking that

(02:55:27):
that's the very hard thing to do.

Speaker 12 (02:55:29):
Most of us can't do that.

Speaker 13 (02:55:30):
Most of us don't want to do that. Most of
us don't want because we don't even understand what it
means to be an Africa. So why are we going
to How are we going to aspire to it or
appreciate it if we don't even understand it. But part
of our job is to get black people to understand. Now,
we could be talking, for example, about what the relationship
of black women were to the societies in Africa. We

(02:55:51):
could probably spend a whole show talking about the whole
concept of the queen mother, the whole concept of balance,
in terms of how Africans structured themselves, how they put
women on pedestals, how they how they produced societies and
communities that were centered around the female, even when they
had a king, they usually had a queen mother who
had more power than the king.

Speaker 12 (02:56:12):
They Africans knew the central.

Speaker 13 (02:56:15):
Role that women to value that women played. Even if
we talked about polygamy, we could see how that was
operated in a women's interest. It was an interest because
there was if men went off the war and died
and there were served few men in a society, women
needed to be look up into a part of her family,
so they became. They shared their men.

Speaker 12 (02:56:37):
Because men are the males are more precared the life.

Speaker 13 (02:56:40):
Of the men live were more precarious. There's most societies
will have more women in it than they are men.
So what are you gonna do. You're gonna leave women
without men, without families, without connection. No polygamy actually served
if done properly, it served the interests of the female.

Speaker 12 (02:56:57):
Two or three women together.

Speaker 13 (02:56:58):
Had more power than the man, and they were married too.
They determine what was going on. They worked together with themselves,
they helped each other, et cetera. Africans had balanced gender societies,
and the Africans had an appreciation. Until we understand that,
till we learn that, till we go back to it,

(02:57:19):
we can't be free because we ain't what freedom is
would otherwise defined as simply be missagenating and becoming a
part of their system, part of their all.

Speaker 3 (02:57:28):
Right, I hold that thought right there, bab blah, we
gotta step aside. We've still got a bunch of folks
want to talk to you. Twenty four minutes away from
the top of the our family. I guess there's grill
Baba la Boma, who works out of Emoja House in Washington, DC.
That's where our elders complicate. They got all these great
topics and then we discussed them. We are on the
radio if you're going to speak to him eight hundred
and four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll
take you phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:57:57):

Speaker 3 (02:58:01):
Yeah yeah, and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with

(02:58:22):
us on this Tuesday morning, September the second, with our guest.
One of our grills works out of Emoja House in Washington,
d C's name is Baba la Mumba. Like to speak
to him. Eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Marks on line three calling from Baltimore. Mark, Grand Rising,
You're on with Baba lamb but you have a question
for him.

Speaker 8 (02:58:40):
Yeah, grand Rising, how you guys doing. Uh yeah, Carl,
I'm I'm out of the I'm out of the tribe
of Francis press Welleslean uh fare Con. And you know
people like that that that that don't really you know,
talk about self, you know, self reliance and stuff like that. Self,

(02:59:03):
like the lady said, self love and all that kind
of stuff. I believe most women, you know, they do
want a man and all that kind of stuff. But
the brothers have to, you know, step up and do
what they needed to do, just like the man said.
And that's what Pharaoh Con talked about. That's what the
Million Man Watch was about. Atonement. Francis press Welby said,

(02:59:25):
we the only wanted to make music that the me
and out women and stuff like that. I'm gonna be
I'm a hole and all that kind of stuff. And
if we could teach each other to do that, then
we could teach each other to kill each other and
we won't even think about it. And she said self,
she said, uh uh, the counter racist behavior. Stop killing

(02:59:48):
each other, stop selling drugs at each other, stop bite back,
back biting all and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:59:53):
That's right, Mark duche a favorite because client got a
bunch of folks want to talk to bibb lamb and
he's got to respond. So can you put in a
question for I'm sure he can do that.

Speaker 8 (03:00:03):
Yeah, yeah, I can.

Speaker 18 (03:00:04):
You know?

Speaker 8 (03:00:05):
And and do you really think polygamy uh is about
giving power to women or is it about self the
selfishness of men?

Speaker 10 (03:00:13):
Thanks?

Speaker 13 (03:00:17):
Let me just say in Africa, when it was conceived
and when it was used, it was used as a
way to balance society. We always in society you're going
to have men dying because the role of men really
is the is to defend, and that role means that
they die more often than so in order to have
a balanced society. We're not talking about how it manifests

(03:00:37):
itself now because it may be just ego when it
manifested that, But as it was conceived, as it was
used in Africa, it was a way to balance society.
Sisters did come together, they supported each other, they used
their children, they helped each other. They benefited greatly from
that role. They were they had a man in their life,
but they had they had sisters who they were with,

(03:01:00):
So in that context it was good. I'm not talking
about how it was, how it manifests itself in here.
Now it can do that, and I think many the
people who try that are trying.

Speaker 12 (03:01:10):
To make it be, make it positive.

Speaker 13 (03:01:13):
Whether it is or not, it is another matter and depending.

Speaker 10 (03:01:16):
On the situation.

Speaker 13 (03:01:17):
But let me also say one of the things I
want to say before is let me give you an
example how society pushes it. For example, the Black Panther Party,
which I have happened to know because I'm from Oakland
and I was involved when it was created. They put
the notion out here that more majority of the Black
Panther Party were women. That's one of the notions out

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here there, that women wear the heart and soul, the
direct the fact, which is really nonsense. Black Panther Party
was an attempt to show that black men could defend
the black community against police brutality. They could stand up
to the police, they could protect it. It was black.
It was an organization designed to demonstrate that black men

(03:02:00):
could in fact defend the community.

Speaker 12 (03:02:03):
Defending is a primary.

Speaker 13 (03:02:05):
Role that black men have now, you know, But what
we talk about it now we talk about women who
created free breakfast programs, et cetera, et cetera. We understand that,
but understand that. You know, when you talk about things,
we have to put things in the in the gender context.
What what were they at the time, What were they?

Speaker 12 (03:02:24):
What were they supposed to?

Speaker 13 (03:02:25):
We need to compliment each other. Our roles should compliment
each other, not be antagonistic to one another. We shouldn't
be fighting each other about our role. Men's job it
is to protect the community. Men's job it is to
provide and protect if possible. Women have their own roles,
et cetera.

Speaker 12 (03:02:44):
We gender roles are important.

Speaker 13 (03:02:47):
Uh now, they don't have to be rigid, but there are.
They are important in terms of building any society in
any community.

Speaker 3 (03:02:55):
Gotcha fortune? Away from the topic, Let's go to Kansas City.
Roberts wading for us is online Grand Rise and Robert
with Baba la Mumba.

Speaker 10 (03:03:03):
Yes, Sir Grand Rising. Just two quick comments because those
time is running short. The WNBA brother Little MoMA is
probably sixty to eighty percent of the black females in
that league are either dating or married to other Black women.
And first when I saw that, I thought, well, maybe
there's just a shortage of black men. But I see

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brothers hanging out on the street corners by the dozens
in this city all day long. And so I asked
the sister about that. She says, nobody wants them, you know,
And that's that's the first point. The last point is this.
I guess you could ask yourself for why are they
on the street corner in the first place? Who's responsible
for them being there? But here's the last point you

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could respond to this the last job I had Carl
and brother Lamma in twenty seventeen, there were ten sisters
that worked at this company. Only one was married. All
the other nine would all single mothers. He had situations
up there where where women would get hired, but they
couldn't find nobody to watch their kissel, they.

Speaker 18 (03:04:05):
Had to quit.

Speaker 10 (03:04:05):
And I remember one sister she had to leave her
five seventy ten year at ten year old at home
overnight while she worked overnight shift because she couldn't find
no man to watch her children. So here's the question,
how did we go from that situation where we got
all these black women with single mothers? When I was
coming up in the sixties, I'm sure you guys are

(03:04:26):
calling up. When we were coming from the sixties, there
were two parents in every household, So how did we
go from that to where we are now, where we
got all these single black mothers out here.

Speaker 13 (03:04:39):
Well, you know, there's no easy answer to that, but
it's our condition, and society is purposely enhancing that. It's
purposely you know, what we see now is society pushing that.
When I talk about black feminism and being a problem,
black feminism pushes that. Black femininem says, those black women

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don't trust black men, don't rely on them. They're not
really they harm you. What Oprah Winfrey did in the
Color Purple and what in Tshaka Shangha did for colored girls,
they put out the notion that they stay away from
black men. Black men are going to harm you.

Speaker 12 (03:05:16):
We're gonna hurt.

Speaker 13 (03:05:17):
So it's not just the women. It's not just the
men that are the problems. It's though also that the
women who have the problem.

Speaker 10 (03:05:24):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (03:05:24):
And that's that is being pushed by this society. This
society pushes us apart from each other. Uh, it doesn't
allow us. And then we are not in the position
and we don't know what the alternative. We have no
idea what it means to be a happened, what it
means to have a relationship with each other outside of
the context that they provide, which which is what we

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have to We have to learn what it means to
be what we were prior to our subjugation in the
first place. We have to learn what our gender roles are.
We have to learn what they are. It's hard, it's difficult,
but we can't blame either gender. But but they contribute
to the schism. Each gender contributes to this can to
bend on it contributed more than the women.

Speaker 12 (03:06:06):
The women contribute to just so much as the men.

Speaker 13 (03:06:09):
We have a problem when it comes to respecting, understanding
and creating a sound relationship and an end balanced relationship
that on which we can build families and which we
can build communities. And you're right to point out is
the curate is getting worse. We've probably have seventy five
percent of our families a single parami.

Speaker 12 (03:06:27):
You're twenty years.

Speaker 13 (03:06:28):
Ago it was probably only about fifty percent. So we
are getting worse, you know. And how But we have
to understand that the problem is being created by the
society itself. It's not being created by us. It's being
accentuated by us because we don't understand that it's not
the other gender that has created the problem. It is
the society itself.

Speaker 3 (03:06:49):
Whether's work the bubblo, if the society is doing, what's
the endgame what they're trying to achieve.

Speaker 13 (03:06:57):
They're trying to make sure that we don't have enough
unity to create a base in which we can challenge them.

Speaker 12 (03:07:06):
They they black power.

Speaker 13 (03:07:08):
Is something that they are against totally. They that's something
they want to make us against as well. We have
to have notion of our unity is a threat to them.
Our unity, and not just in this country, but around
the world. We see what's happening in the kin of
Fossil when we when we come together, we see what's
happening when we come together, we were present a force

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that will will oppose them, will will seek our own
our own unity that they want to prevent that they
want to stop. So one of the best ways they have,
from their point of view, is to divide the genders,
is to pit us against each other along gender lines.

Speaker 12 (03:07:48):
That's what they're doing, and they're doing.

Speaker 13 (03:07:50):
It successfully and we're not even aware of it. We
allow in in in my contention in this presentation, is
that the notion of black feminism, that is black people
actually be advocating for their gender elevation as opposed to
their people's elevation is part of the problem. You know,
it's part of the problem and the only solution to

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that of like, you know, we we kind of subconsciously
understand the problem. What Kwanza addresses the problem some respect
when we we know we need Africa. We don't necessarily
know what that means, but we know we need Africa.
We need a frame of reference that they are unwilling

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that that is African, that is that will provide us
the basis for us building an identity that is sound,
is secure, that is unified, that puts us in the
direction that involves all black people, et cetera.

Speaker 12 (03:08:44):
We need that.

Speaker 13 (03:08:45):
How does that come about? Well, but understand the gender
roles of fighting each other come from them. You knows,
if black men have treated black women poorly, it's because
blacklack men have had it been treated poorly by the society.
And that society is black, is black. White society is afraid.

Speaker 12 (03:09:10):
Of black men.

Speaker 13 (03:09:10):
They know that an army that would would oppose them,
that would fight them, that would win over them, are
essentially made up of men that that so there, they
don't they want to make sure that that never happens.
So that's what they do. They pit us against one another. Well,
we have to be aware. We have to fight it.
We have to do with uh work against it. We

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have to in fact work towards our unity, our gender unity,
which does involve gender roads, which does involve an African
frame of reference, which doesn't.

Speaker 3 (03:09:41):
Let me see if I get one more call for you,
babbla lahm, because it's stix away from the top. Pay
Theodore is online four calling from Baltimore, Theodore, can you
make it quick for us?

Speaker 14 (03:09:50):
Yes, a grand rising, and Babba, you are putting in
a lot of truth and that is a good day.
And I like you to consider something. Baba, look at history,
and I look at the Book of Genesis. Remember Baba,
when Kane killed Table and he cried to God because
everybody's gonna kill him, and God put a mark on
him that will distinguish him from everybody else.

Speaker 10 (03:10:13):
We know where that is.

Speaker 14 (03:10:14):
Look at your skins. Look at their skin also they
were He was told I'd be a vagabond all my days,
running around and that's just what they did, and conquering
other societies and stuff simply by force of arms and
That's one thing I talk to people. I say, when
you read that book, used common sense. God took us

(03:10:35):
from the dirt of the ground. I've never seen dirt
the same color asthma white walls for a farmer to
produce crops. So just be assured. There's no need for
any of us to feel inferium, no need to respond.

Speaker 3 (03:10:50):
As I mentioned, we're racing the clock, Baba lamamba real quick.

Speaker 13 (03:10:53):
Well, unless we understand and have an African fam But
unless you understand communalism, unless we understand what it meant,
what we were prior to our subjugation, then we do
not know what that means. We don't know what the
alternative to to to what he's promoting means. We know,
for example, we talked a little bit about Theliguy. If

(03:11:15):
we haven't looked at that closely, we haven't looked at
the role that Africans gave, the honorary role, that Africans
gave women the power that they had because of the
balance that they knew that. We don't know that, So
we have no frame of reference for creating our own
unless we know what our own is, and our own
is has found in the Comment Act, it's found on

(03:11:37):
us prior to our subjugation. None of us want to
look there.

Speaker 12 (03:11:41):
We because we.

Speaker 13 (03:11:42):
Don't feel that we're we're equals. We feel that that
you know, you know, it's almost we almost feel as
though white people did us a favor by by subjugating us.

Speaker 12 (03:11:53):
That's how we act.

Speaker 13 (03:11:55):
We act, you know. And all these people who claim
that we are into we began there are identity began
at that point. Our preaching nonsense, our preaching black inferiority,
are not dealing fundamentally with the issue of what the
alternative to the madness is and how can we achieve

(03:12:15):
it right.

Speaker 3 (03:12:16):
I don't have to cut it that, Babba lam because
we just out of time. But before we go, though,
I got a tweet, and the tweet that says and
grand rising awesome, necessary and vital topic with Baba Lamumba.
Please invite him back to address this subject matter with
at least two hours devoted to it. Ask him if
he will come back and go deeper with us on it.
Thank you. That's the question, Babbla. One of our listeners says,

(03:12:38):
will you come back? And we've got some folks who
we didn't get a chance to talk to some tweets
we didn't get to as well, So they want you
to come back and go deeper in this topic. So
that's on you. Questions on you.

Speaker 13 (03:12:48):
Well, you know, we can talk about it, Carl, And
you know, I didn't hear much from the sister. I
heard from one pistol, So hey, I don't want to
make the sisters angry, but I do want to tell
it Jews, and I do want to say and I
appreciate you asking me and actually convincing me that I
should talk.

Speaker 10 (03:13:04):
About it because I think it has real value in spans.

Speaker 3 (03:13:07):
Thank you very much, all right, and thank you because
we're running late. We got to get out here, get
out of this classroom. Thank you, Baba Lumba Family classes
dismissed for the day. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy.
See you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore
on ten ten WLB and the d mb NFM ninety
five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WF

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