Baba Lumumba on Community Perspectives & Brandon on Media Control and Redistricting

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Grand Rising family, and thanks for waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning. Another hunt day means we're halfway
through the work week. Later Grill, Baba la Mumba from
Emoja House will be back in our classroom. Baba la
Mumba will always always provides us with some thought pro
working topics for us to discuss. But before we hear
from Baba la Mumba, the Faith Brothers will check in.
But to get a started momentarily political blog of Brandon,

(00:45):
he's standing by a hill jowner. Shortly, but let's get
Kevin to open the classroom door for us again this morning,
Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Carl car Girl, guess what day it is? Remember that
universal okay man, Good morning Wednesday morning, six oh one
am on the sixth of August. As the year just
seems to zoom by, temperatures seem to cool down. Man,

(01:13):
I tell you how quickly this year has gone by.
How you feeling, Carl Nelson?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm still learning, Kevin? How about yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Oh yeah, no, no doubt about that, man. You got
to continue to learn or else. You know, your growth
is stifled and what are you here for?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
And unfortunately the Carlin Nelson's show, University continues to bring
the brand together and keep people and the know. You know,
if you want to learn something, you know, turn on
to Carl Nelson Show or else your radio isn't on.
I got a lot of them today, Carl, you know,

(01:53):
and we wanted to go into what's shrending and off Mike,
you just kind of change direction with things for a minute.
Can the President Donald Trump take over Washington d C?
He wants to federalize Washington d C. How does that work?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
And what does he mean when he says federalize it?
I mean he just take it over completely. I mean
all the government officials, all the city workers now but
become federal workers. I just don't get it. I just
don't understand what he meant when he said that. But
it's probably the word what triggered this. Was he the
football stadium again or was it something else? Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
After a former Doze worker was assaulted in an attempted
car Jacke, then he says, I have to say to
somebody from Doeze was very badly hurt. A young man
who was beat up by a bunch of thugs in DC.
He says, either they're going to straighten their act out
in the terms of government and in terms of protection,

(02:55):
or we're gonna have to federalize and run it the
way it's supposed to be run. Trumps said, So not
only does he want to run the Kennedy Center, he
just wants to run the streets of DC as well.
Edward Korustine, the nineteen year old former Doge worker once
known by his online moniker get This as Big Balls,

(03:16):
and another individual were assaulted in an attempted conjackting on Sunday,
according to the DC Police Department. Incident that doesn't seem
like something that the President needs to get involved.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
In, but right like local crime issues. But I think again,
what he doesn't and Brannon will probably explain it. It's flexing,
you know, he's he's like he wants to tell the world, Well,
I can do anything I want. I've got unlimited powers.
You know. If I want to federalize DC, I can
do it. I'll federalize all these so called what they

(03:49):
call them, sanctuary city. So sanctuary states he's going after,
and he mentioned interesting enough, he mentioned Maryland as a
sanctuary state.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, but it's this is almost sounding like some TV
crime drama. You know, potus, the head DC detective, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
But you know what Kevin when he said thugs, we
know what. That's the euphamous and we know what he
means when he said thugs.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Right, yeah, it just seems to be out of control
and speaking of control, and then seems to be something
going on next door. Let's uh bring in Brandon. Maybe
he can save the day and explain this to us.
What's happening?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
All right, thanks, Kevin, take care of the problem before
After the top of Kevin's mister fix it round here
Radio One, let's bring in Brandon Grand Rising, Brandon, Welcome
to the program.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Good morning, Carl. That they didn't hear from you, brother.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Hey, before we get started, though, let's give us an
update on the situation. Because you're out there in Altadena
Pasadena area where the fires took place those Wi fis
back in January. It seems like it was years ago. Now,
what's what's the very latest?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, a great deal of the lots have been dealt with,
not all of them, but the county is making pretty
good progress on clearing them out. People need to understand
exactly like most of these homes aren't straight to the ground. Uh,
and so they have to be there's still demolition that

(05:20):
has to happen, though. Things have to be pulled up
and pulled out and cleared out, and a lot of
them are ready to rebuild. I have seen more for
sale side, and there's also a concern in those neighborhoods,
and rightly so it's something we talked about, you know,
early on when I was still in shock, we were
talking about the private equity firms coming in and buying

(05:44):
that land. And I'm a person who been seeing what's
happened in Los Angeles, and I think a lot of
people have seen this cross in many cities for years.
I was trying to find out how, you know, the
rent has just skyrocket and what has happened, And you know,
there's more and more apartments are being built, few and

(06:06):
fewer people are staying in them, but the rents are
just you know, you know, through the roof, and that
is not at all how a marketplace runs, you know, Carl,
A lot of people are not renting in those buildings,
and they're building more. That means there's more empty space.
That means they should be cheaper. And I believe that
it has a lot to do with the private equifirms

(06:28):
coming in and skewing the market in favor of.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
You for a second year Brown, because you know, one
time they would just buying the apartment buildings, and I
think going into the single family home market.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, this is this is what I'm trying to get to,
is that once you realize that they're skewing that market,
what happens when they get into the homes, when they
get into the single family home markets or even bigger lives,
and what you're going to see is an explosion of
rates going up, the interest rates going because the properties

(07:05):
are going to you know, they're just going to soar
because they're going to buy them and do the same
thing they did with the apartment and try to and
try to refinance them. Now a lot of people are expecting, though,
of bursting up a bubble of that of the process
that they've been doing. It's it's just not sustainable. So
some people may be holding out for that. I don't
know that, and and it's that type of of of

(07:30):
that type of query, you know, the questioning the market,
which is which is actually going to not just cool
the market down in housing, but many things are going
to cool down because people, you know, they they they
kind of lean back on the hills a little bit
before they put money that they can't replace immediately towards

(07:51):
an investment, or towards a home, or towards whatever. If
things are all up in the air, and when you
have these players that come in and they do these
things and they you know, they get these they get
them financing and then get the hell out of it
and you never see him again. And then the thing
is just sitting there. You know, Uh, you don't really
you don't really want to put your money into that's

(08:12):
oh your your family's future into that situation.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, so you know, and family just checking in, just
waking up again. I guess he is a political block
of brand and he lives out in the Altadena Pasadena
Ara there's impacted by the wildfires. That's just back in January.
It seems like decades ago. And we actually toured the
neighborhood right after the fires, a few weeks after the fires, Brandon,
when you and I were there, we were looking for

(08:36):
folks who look like us, who are helping with the
rebuilding process. Has that changed because we didn't see anybody
frankly at that time.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well, yeah, there were actually well when I took you
to the area, it was still in shock, and they weren't,
you know, they weren't in full motion of rebuilding what
you had with the salvage situation. So when me and
you were driving, when I took you through the streets
of Altadena and a lot of places that I grew
up in, what you were seeing were people some the

(09:03):
few people you saw were people picking through the ruins
of their lives, trying to you know, even though they
were wearing hazmat suits. As we stopped off at that
corner and I gave you a quick tour of the
has matt the La County has Mat area, they they
weren't they weren't. Of course, they weren't condoning people going
in there, but they basically said, if you're going to
go in there, here's a suit, here's a mask, here's

(09:23):
some gloves. You know, they were trying to keep to
protect the population of the people in there. Actually it
did get There were a lot of black and brown people,
remember that in uh In the the removal of a
great deal of that of the debris, there was a
lot of truckers from all over, and I saw many

(09:47):
brothers men. I spoke for one who was parking in
front of my house. Now there's something that was a
little crazy up there. You know, certain trucking companies and
private contractors and all these differ They were from all over.
They were trying to make this money. And one guy
was part and where I lived, which is a couple
of miles away from where the heat of the pickups were,
and he said, he's like, look, I got to come

(10:07):
down here. I don't have my crew up here. Everybody
has crews, and you know, I need to take a nap,
and they're still in gas. I said, what he said, Yes,
it's the wild West up there. So it got a
little hairy in regards to, you know, how they were,
how things were going. But they were afar. There were
a lot more black people every day. And one of

(10:29):
the routes you know that I took you on, actually
ride my bike up through there, and I just saw
more and more black people. So it was you know,
but when we went up there, Carl just to you know,
let everybody know, most of the people had evacuated, most
of the debris was still there, and the few people
that you saw there were actually kind of either owners
or people you know who were employed by them to

(10:53):
pick through some of the rubbles. So it was a
different look. Let me put it that way, and.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
I have the top family just getting up. Brandon is
I guess he's a political blocker. But why it also
lives out in the Altadena Pasadena air of California where
the wildfire swept through and killed so many of our
folks and so many of our people there who are
who owned these homes through generations and they were impacted
by the fires. That's why we kicked in and tried

(11:18):
to help some of those folks. But Brandon, when we
were there, the ashes, the gray ashes, there were you know,
blocks just just leveled. That is that the scene today
or has that been cleared out?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's I would say that maybe forty to fifty percent
has been cleared out. People don't really understand the enormity
of it. If you go on Google right now, you
can look and see it and from a distance, then
a satellite view from a distance, it just looks like
kind of maybe you know, beare lots. I don't know

(11:52):
when Google updated its picture, but if you if you
zoom in you'll see and there's still some lots that
are just devastated of the entire area. Uh, you know,
it gave it this kind of terra cotta sense and
know what you're talking about, just you know, this brownish
burnt everything just burnt down. The crazy part about it.
For a lot of people, once you're street level, it's
hard to see that because you see all these four

(12:14):
you see a forest of burnt trees and chimneys, and
so it's really hard to kind of grasp until until
you go to a couple of the lots that I
took you to, the neighborhood that took it. I think
I took you to one. One of the parks up
there is named after a black artist from Michigan. And
you can see on both sides of the streets just
completely flat out flattened out. It wasn't that simple. All

(12:34):
the way up in there. These are in the hills.
These are the foothills of San Gabriel Mountains, and so
it's not not that simple. But yeah, they're yeah, they're
clearing a lot of them out. And also, Carl, you know,
they're being excavated and uh, and they're doing the lining
up so they can pour the foundations and so they're

(12:56):
so they're not just you know, clearing it out and
just leaving it somewhere. They're putting stakes in, they're surveying it.
And so that's that's the county and that's the services
that you that you get through the counting out.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Trust.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Not everybody's happy. It's not perfect. I'm pretty sure there's
a lot of people that are pissed off in many
different ways. But at least there's some machinery going on
where people people aren't just sitting out there. Now it's interesting, Carl.
People have begun to uh pull up with motor homes

(13:29):
and you know, they're on their lot. At the same time,
there are squatters. Uh there's been a couple of stories
about squatters showing up and getting on people's lands. They
change their their driver's license to match the property and
so when when called by the owners to go in,
the police show up and they say, well this is

(13:50):
this is where I live. This is and so now
you have another, you know, a really really despicable situation.
But it has to do also with the fact that
I said you would think, you know, there's a lot
of places to live, but you know, are they affordable?
Can people afford to live in the situations that are
being set up now? So that's when the two worlds collide.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, fourteen half the top that the block of brand.
We're going to talk politics. Moon't Telly body. He's given
us an update on the situation for that horrible wilfi
that tore through Altadena. Pasadena erehere many of our folks
live brand. Now, how about the businesses? Are they back
We saw a bank that was burned all this was
burned down, that school that was burned down. Are they
back in action?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Round Elliott School and in the back of it. Probably
won't get but most of those kids were actually transferred
to another school. It's a middle school, and they were
transferred to another school that actually had been shut down
at least that part of it. So they reopened the
section that had been shut down and said those kids,
I don't anticipate that school being ready for another year

(14:54):
or so. Those businesses that you saw are absolutely not
back together. They're not back up. Ones didn't look like no.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I was gonna ask you about the red tape. Is
it is the delay because of the red tape or
did Newsom cut the red tape so they can rebuild
more quickly.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
There are some things that that you know have gone
in order. There are other things that have it. You know,
this is a this is a catastrophe. This is a disaster,
and I think people have the wrong idea about what
government does now to femous credit. One of the first
things that FEMA is supposed to do. And you know this,
and this is what one of the big complaints that
Brothers had after Katrina. FEMO is supposed to come in

(15:36):
and provide life saving or lifeline resources. It's not supposed
to come in and immediately give you a new home
and give you, you know, one hundreds of thousands of dollars
for to stay in it, you know, for Star hotel.
And I know I sound like, you know, like a bureaucrat,
but I'm being quite honest. I've worked with FEMA before,
I've had to gone through the gun, went to the process.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Here.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Their job is to is to try to facilitate the
resource some resources to the individuals so that they can
be a bridge between this catastrophe, what has happened and
what they have to do next in their life. You
dig what I'm saying that that is a very imperfect thing.
But without it, without it, which you end up having

(16:20):
is entire communities turning into vast wastelands, as we saw
what happened with Katrina, until the brother came in there
and kind of put it in some kind of shape
to salvage the situation of those brothers and sisters. I
believe it was the ninth ward, or was it's fifth,
I can't remember which ward. It was nice in this night. Yes,
in this situation we're actually dealing with, there is some

(16:44):
red tape. There isn't some redtape. Fuma came in immediately
and they tried to provide resources with people. Not everybody
got everything up top, but the government did show up.
Now what does that mean for everybody? For instance, you
could have opt out, a opted out of the county
excavation of your of your lot. If you did that,

(17:07):
then the county said, okay, then it has to be
removed by this time. And if it's not removed by
this time, then you're gonna start getting fined and we're
gonna we're gonna assess the owner of fines per day.
Blah blah blah. You don't do it, And I said
this before and the last time I came on there.
You know, if you live above somebody else and you
don't take care of it. When they get that a
lot cleared, it's fine. But then when it rains, all

(17:29):
of the debris and some of the stuff that's still
going on in your lot will actually trickle down to there.
So there are different type of problems that you have
to deal with. I know I'm hearing the music, So
we have to take a break right quick.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yes, yeah, And when we come back seventeen out of
ta well, let's get into the politics side of the
common social family. YouTube can join us with Brandon. Reach
out to us at eight hundred and four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take at phone calls next.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning or another hump day is hump
day all over the world. That means we're halfway through
the work week. After this, they stay it's downhill all
the way. I guess his political blog of Brandon. Brandon
lives out in the Pasadena, Altadena area that was impacted
by the wildfires earlier this year. But we really talk
about his politics, is why we kind of like his

(18:41):
analysis of what's going on in the world today. So
let's get started on the politics scene, Brandon. We see
that Donald Trump has had I guess a fisticuffs with
the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch. Is this part
of his plan to control the media and control what's
being said.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Right now? Because I thought I heard you guys talk
about d C, him taking over him talking about the
government needs to take over DC.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
First of all, it was a apparently somebody who was
involved with Doge, which is his was his BS project
that did so much damage. But I guess he's look,
he's feeling like that's his tribe. Secondly, though, understand, right
now today everything Trump is saying and doing is to

(19:38):
try to deflect and distract from the Epstein files everything.
He is not that brilliant. He's not a brilliant tactician.
He is not a he's not a remarkable politician. He's
not someone who is you know, uh connected into into

(20:00):
the zeitgeist right now. He's doing what you know strong
men have always done, which is, you know, don't worry
about what I'm doing what's happening over here, you know.
So this is this is and and it's it's the
making of his own his own folly as well. So
this is when we gets talking about earlier's like you know, wow,
you know, even when he's saying about DC needs to

(20:22):
be taken off as a swamp. You remember, every time
he talks about something, it's always the lowest. And this
is what authoritarians do. And it's a it's a way
every time they speak, it's a way to justify why
they need you to give up your rights so that
they stay in power. You have to give up your
rights because this city is a it's a it's swill,

(20:43):
it's a dump. Things are terrible, the attackes are terrible.
Order and I can fix it. But only I can
fix it, and I need so you need to follow me.
That's cults speak. And it's the same thing with this situation.
For instance, in from UH and the Attorney's office the
United States right the District of Columbia, they said in

(21:05):
twenty twenty this dropped in January third, twenty twenty five,
that violent crime had hit a thirty year low in DC,
A thirty Let me say again a thirty year low Washington.
The total violent crime for twenty twenty four in the DC,
Columbia and District of columb excuse me, down thirty five
percent from twenty twenty three. This was dropped based on

(21:27):
numbers that they gathered for the whole year of twenty
twenty four in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Of this year.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
So what he's what he's really trying to do is
everything becomes a giant bonfire that only he can put
out to distract from the point that they're not releasing
the Epsteine file.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, let me jump here twenty five the time. First,
when he was on the campaign trail, he mentioned that,
you know, I think it was in Detroit or some city,
how the city was gone down and then the crime
is just rampant, you know, and he would come in
and fix all these these most of these are democratic
cities too. That's one point. And the second point I
want you to discuss for us Brandon back to the

(22:10):
Epstein files. Uh, it's already been established that he knew him.
So nothing that's not in distribute. We saw the pictures
and he said he knew him. He even admitted that
he knew he knew Epstein and knew Epstein's girlfriend. He
did that and there were pictures that show that. So
what's what's his concern because Epstein was Now they're saying

(22:31):
that he worked for the FBI, and some people say
he worked for the Israeli massade. It was an agent
and he was protected. But that's not the issue too,
is the issue that he's the Donald Trump is concerned
with that Epstein was a pedophile. They commit the pedophilia
pedophile and he may be somehow tainted because or maybe

(22:52):
he's he's involved in some kind of that kind of activity.
What do you think do you think that's what's bugging him.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I don't know. What I can tell you is he
was it was more than him just knowing ein uh
many times he talked about him being his great friend.
There's many pictures and videos of them being together. These
you know, and I have to I'm saying this with
a bit of with a bit of understanding that people

(23:20):
need to need to know of the culture. To say,
young girls back in the day when I was, when
I would because I was I might have been maybe
maybe a teeny teenager when they were doing that stuff.
When you hear that you weren't thinking in terms of
actual girls. You know, you're thinking maybe eighteen or but

(23:43):
it was just you know, they would they have a
bunch of songs that happened, and it's creepy and we
have to admit that that's part of the growth of
what we're doing. Well, apparently, you know, underage, ain't young women?
Those are girls. And if he was dealing with that
and this guy you know, was hanging around Donald Trump,

(24:04):
they were really cool. Donald Trump apparently drew pictures, you know,
I drew a picture of him to his birthday, apparently
with as a young lady. And then her pubic area
is basically where his signature is, and they're sharing jokes
and you know, this is this is It looks as
if this was his boy. And so you have to say, okay,

(24:25):
if you're putting all if you're racking all this stuff
on this get basically calling him a pimp and he
might have worked for Massade and he's there to set
people up. I think the New York Times just published
some pictures showing one bedroom that actually had surveillance cameras
in it. You can see the cameras like up in
the corner. If that was the case. If that was

(24:45):
the case and that's what he's afraid of, then then
then what you're not, what you're looking at is someone
who's actually working out of fear. He's working out of fear,
not just embarrassment. You know, they they said they were
going to subpoena the DOJ. The House said it's going
to subpoena the DJ for these files, and then they

(25:06):
immediately said that they're going to subpoena or they have
subpoena the Clintons. Okay, Now, if you're like me and
you have a mindset like mine, I would say I
would say that both Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton should
go up there and say, well, you know, uh yeah,
we knew we we kind of knew him. You know,
we flew you know, he he was in our circles

(25:27):
talking about Epstein. You know, we were in circles. But
you know, all he talked about was Donald Trump. All
he said. All he would talk about it Donald Trump, this,
and Donald Trump. That he would stay on the island
too long, and you know that was them. I'd say,
that's what they need to go was just you know,
just just bury him, because remember Trump said that that
the files didn't exist, and that's what sparked his That's

(25:52):
what sparked Maga to go off on him, and so
everything since then is to try to to take a
chunk a bite out of, or deflect from the Epstein files.
But I think that, you know, out of everyone, every politician,
the first thing they say when they're talking about whatever

(26:12):
they're talking about to the constituency, especially the Democrats, it
should be you know, hey, hello, how are you? And
where the Stein files?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, it's it's becoming a problem for him and Glaene
Maxwell and Epstein's uh, how would you call her? What
was her? Madam? She was getting girls for Epstein And in.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
The streets they would call that a bottom b the
word the bottom yeah, bottom by Yeah, it's about it.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah. She'd be the one that would they would be
the trainer and would kind of corral the young girls
and get them ready to do what they're they're going
to do.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
But go ahead, yeah, I'm saying now she's implicated the
Prince in in Britain as being involved in than that too.
And then some of the some of the pictures and
some of the letters that come out now saying that
Epstein and her were with the Queen and the queen
mother and the Brits are all upset. They're all uptight
about this aunt. Prince Andrew, her son, her younger son,

(27:15):
invited his girlfriend to to you know, in proximity to
the queen.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Yeah, but he paid.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
You know, look, he settled with one of them. I
think it was some twenty four million dollars.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Right, that's one of the women that he settled. And
that woman Brandon, as we may know that she ended
up committed suicide, they say in Australia to Australia.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Apparently apparently apparently, yeah, apparently, yeah, allegedly. There you go.
He yeah, that's what happens when the people are you know,
the problemly gets so rich that they can only fly
in certain circles when you have that much money, certain

(27:58):
secure situations. So you got you're going to know each other.
It's kind of like I'm sure there was a crod
of of of young brothers when you were back in
the day being a reporter. You were you were trying
to break news out in Los Angeles. There weren't but
a few of you black reporters out there. A few
of you brothers and you knew each other. Not saying

(28:19):
y'all hung out, but you knew each other. And when
the story was a story, you guys would show up together.
Well that's you know, I know you remember that. I
think it was called the Columbia Papers. They were released.
They were they were special papers that were released and
showed how all these super rich people, including the Crown,
how they were hiding their money and the Caribbean, and
you know, it's just they weren't using normal banks. None

(28:42):
of the banks that we had our money in.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Did they have Yeah, they have different rules.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, exactly precisely. And so this is one of those
things where they have where they have the you know,
the so called playgrounds and doing this stuff. His the
MAGA and the Republicans played it up as supposed to
be is stain on the Democrats. But what's happened is
and it wasn't that. I'm not gonna say it wasn't
that big a deal. The idea of the harming of

(29:11):
these young women and men is abhorrent to anybody who
is who who has a brain, right, But it wasn't
the first line of attack for progressives on Republicans. It
wasn't the first line at all. It was the first
line for mac It was a huge deal. And then

(29:31):
for Trump to say they didn't exist, that just set
off a whole bunch of other things. So now now
they're looking at the they're looking at the they're looking
at the bills, they're looking at the details, they're looking
at what's happening, They're looking what's happening around them. Stories
are out coming out starts showing that the economy is
about to be obliterated. Like there's all kinds of craziness

(29:52):
that's happening. I know you heard about what happened in Kentucky.
It's been going on for two years now, but the
Kentucky distilleries seemed to be closing and it's been accelerated apparently.
One of the stories that I read by some of
the tariffs and some of the things that Trump had
to say about Canada. I mean, just you know, all

(30:12):
these things are happening, and they're starting megas starting to
look at these things, and they're calling out some of
the representatives. And I don't know if Trump is scared,
but he's certainly trying to He's certainly trying to throw
everything and anything up in the air as a distraction.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Twenty eight away from the top of I would plicle
a block of Brandon. Welcome to Wednesday, family, and you
can join this conversation anytime you feel like I could
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Speaking about the economy though,
of Brandon, and it seems as all of these issues
that tangential that they seem to do, but they all
seem to you know, come back to Donald Trump's desk

(30:50):
and sitting on his desk, he didn't have to do
all this stuff that he's doing. You mentioned Kentucky, it's
in Canada and the Taris and there's also threatened Russia.
You know, he's threatened Russia that is giving them a
deadline and so far uh Putin has just thumbed his
nose at him. What do you think is going to
have to because he's going to have to either, you
know's I want to be There's so many issues on

(31:11):
when it comes to this person. Just like the Wall
Street Journal when they found out that, you know, the
Epstein deal, and they published it and he was on
the phone with it. He personally was on the phone
begging the executive editor not to publish the story, and
the White House is trying to get to her, and
she said absolutely not. So he called himself. So when
the publisher store, he says he's suing, and supposedly he's soon.

(31:33):
We don't know if he has filed a suit. But
then he said that the Wall Street Journal wants to settle,
just just handle that part for a moment for us.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Brandon, Well, that's that's what he says. You know this,
we're talking about what Michael wolf who is he's come
back into the limelight because he's written several books and
he dropped some nuggets regarding Trump and Epstein announces, but
Michael Wolfe has also intimated. He talks about how Trump

(32:04):
is just a persistent liar, consistently and so that that's
his first default, I allegedly. And so what you're having
is somebody who's trying to create a reality. You know
what I'm saying, there's a there's a there's a there's
a person who's trying to create right now. We know
the last time he was president, his presidency was a disaster.

(32:29):
We know this the only thing that saved it for people,
and this was. You know, I hate that this happened,
but I really the nation needed it, so I really
think it should have happened. I'm glad it happened for
the people. But the Democrats came together and they were
able to put together that package to help people get
through the pandemic. The the the financing package to help

(32:53):
people to get through the through the through the pandemic.
That saved That helped save some of the ridiculousness that
we were going through because it was it was, it was,
everything was tanking. And remember he didn't want to sign
that package at first, so we have all these signs.
Remember when the when the when the pandemic first hit,
he told there were people on a ship. Remember he

(33:14):
said he didn't want them to land because them having
COVID will make his numbers look bad or mess with
his numbers or bring his numbers down. It was it
was just remarkably craven for anybody to even say something
like that, Right, we're talking about human lives, and the
reason why they needed to land is because they had
to be taken to a place where they could be treated,
you know. And it said in said they left them

(33:34):
in isolation on that ship, and I'm using that as
example to show you how backwards his record was when
he came in the first time. Now he's full steam ahead.
The Supreme Court says, we ate he can't be touched
and he's going off and I'm not going to give
him the leeway that a lot of people saying, well,
he might be going insane, he might be the mad King. No, no, no,

(33:55):
I'm saying he's I'm saying he's fully awake and aware
when he does these things. He's just not bright, especially
in those areas. He's very, very good at the grift.
I mean just very He has a lot of people
around him to help him with that. He's very good
at the grift. Politics, straight up politics, having a great
political mind. N but he doesn't have to he's interesting.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
You said, let me tell you and ask you this though.
Do you think this is this is another operation behind
him who's just using him, and they've got this is
like a chess move and soon they'll get rid of
him and put jd Vance, who they really want in
the office.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I think you're talking about Peter too.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, you guys behind the scene, you're.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Right, you should you should say it. Then if you're
talking about Peter too, say with your chiff, Peter till
is a he's the guy who started PayPal. There's this
crazy throughput between him and Elon Musk. He started Elon
Musk came he actually bought out Elon musk uh credit
company early.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
On another though, are there brand now? I'll let you
give the family the background of Peter tel and these
relationships Elon Musk. By the way, Elon Musk of New
Polka came out, he's the most hated person in America. Wow,
twenty three minutes away from the top of I got
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Before we go back to Brandon, let me just remind
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(36:14):
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(36:38):
go back to Brandon. We stopped off on Peter Teal.
Let me just tell the folks that those of you
you listening to this program for quite some time when
when Martha Mannheim was still contributing, he mentioned the dark
Enlightenment and he always mentions the Darking Line. This is
what Peter Thiel is part of the Darking Line, and
along with Steve Bannon and JD. Vance And if you
want to know what their plans are for this country.

(36:58):
Just google Dark Enlightenment. And we had a writer from
one of these magazines who did expos a if you
if you want to call an expos a because some
people don't know what the Dark Linement is all about
and what they're trying to do. But he was on
with this last week. But Brandon, I'll let you pick
it up, like that Peter deal South Africa.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, before before I moved on, we were talking about
Epstein and why that it's a big deal with Trump.
Now this is interesting. This is this goes along the
line of what is of your business and how the
turning of good journalist is needed. It is it is
not just a force of of of movement in stories

(37:37):
and whatnot, but it's also in lives. Now there's this
reported mother Jones name Leland Nallely who actually got his
hands on Evstein's Little Black Book. Now that's kind of
a general term this this five thousand names in this
in this uh contact, this numbered contact with all these

(38:01):
numbers in it. It's not really necessarily just a little
black book, but it is. It does it did belong
to Epstein. It had been leaked out on the internet
for some years they had to be collated out. My
understanding is I think his butler leaked one out that
actually was very and anyway, the person called many people,

(38:21):
I think as many as two thousand some people in
this book, and some of them were billionaires and some
of them were just regular people. Some of them were
some of the people the models or the girls who
were brought in there, some of them were It's a
very intricate piece. I haven't read the whole thing yet,
but it's a very interesting thing to go in there
and just kind of, you know, see what we're talking

(38:43):
about here, seeing what the thing. Some of the numbers
were gone, you know, they don't dis anymore. Others people
hung up. Some of them turn into you know, locker conversations,
and if you really want to know kind of what
journalism brings in the situation, you know, that's one of
the that's one of the stories. Because remember, these associations,
you know, aren't supposed to be known because they're supposed

(39:04):
to be a list. Well, here's the here's the Black Book.
So do you even need a list? Do you know
what I'm saying? That like you did? And they have
annotations by them stars and arrows and different things and
so on and so with So I just wanted to
bring that out because because.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I was thinking, remember that the newspaper, the magazine that
actually did the story on the Dark Lineman and he
was Mother Joes. So they've been doing some good book.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Okay, yeah, yeah, look at that. Look at that. The
stars are aligning. They are not a dark and lineman.
No no, no, no, no of that. So anyway, yeah,
a pre till is he is a everything that the
right has lied about George Sorows, controlling things with money,

(39:51):
putting stuff in motion has been said and has been
seen in certain areas regarding Peter Teel, has been said
about Peter two, and you can kind of see it
actually being more things coming, more de fruition on the

(40:13):
Peter Teel side rather than sorrows. Sorrows does support many causes,
but the things that the being a puppet master hasn't
hasn't been proven. Peter Tiel on the hands of the
difference to its give an example. There used to be
a online magazine called Gawker. Gawker wrote a story that

(40:36):
eventually outed Peter Teal as being gay. Then Gawker Gawker
would put you know, Gaker was kind of a sensationalist
online magazine. But they you know, they did they still
did some of the some of the work, but it
was kind of you know, splash red, keep it red,
you know. And one of the things that came up
with is this is going to be interesting, especially in

(40:57):
this timing that we're talking about this where there was
a sex tape that had been dropped regarding Hawk Hogan,
and hawk Hogan wanted to sue them for the sex tape,
for for them doing it, and it was later revealed
that Peter Till was the one who financed Hulk's lawsuit
against Gawker, and it actually ran Gawker out of business

(41:21):
at least in that in that that version of it.
So what you had was somebody who you know, he
had an axe to grind, and how he came in
is he came in hard and fast with his money
and it happened to be this guy, Hulk Holgan, who
just passed away. It's been a little bit of controversy

(41:42):
about that because it was revealed that Faulk Holgan you know,
said these abhorrently racist things and you know, apparently was
you know, keenly racist and later on even went MAGA
again last year for Trump. So, uh, what you have
in Peter till is somebody who is not afraid to

(42:04):
use his power. And like I said, he started PayPal,
and one of the things he did was he actually
bought Elon Musk's early credit card credit company, which he
actually tried to call X I believe at the time.
And that's how I'm not gonna say, that's how their
partnship began because they're both South African, of South African origin,

(42:25):
and he has you know, he he he has financed
or basically sponsor I shouldn't say financed, because I don't
know the particulars of the situation. But he has sponsored
j Evance JD couches j D couches entire I'm not
gonna say entire working career, but I'm gonna say most
of it in entire political career. And so in that

(42:49):
way he's gotten in the White House. He controls many
of the other operating systems around there. And now of
course he has this uh, this data gathering organization Planeteer Plantier,
which is going to be touching every American. This is
why the doge people going and then scraping all of

(43:12):
those offices, all of that information, all of that information
from every for every American, from our social security numbers
to you know, things that that that any any any
information that we have this government mental all the way through.
These individuals doing that makes it incredibly dangerous for your

(43:35):
regular average citizen.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
And so on top of that, they got a huge
federal contract, billion dollar.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Contract they got.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, we're paying them. That's because that's our money. When
you hear they dolen't have these contracts, family, that's that's
your money, and your money exactly, they got that information.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yep, yep. They're using your money, using our money to
to wramp up surveillance on us, to find us when
they want to, to track us when they want to.
It's not just your phones anymore. And pretty soon if
we don't find a way out of this. And I've

(44:14):
been saying this from thegether, I mean, I've been right
about all this. I come on here. I rarely pat
myself on the back because it's usually we're usually going
through some sort of crisis. But you know, and I
don't mean this in a jovial way. You and I
have discussed these things, Carl, because you don't have to
be a genius to see these things happening. They've happened
before where the world has lost you know, you know,

(44:37):
millions and millions of humans for the lessons of what
happens in authoritarianism and fascism, and we're allowing it to
happen again. And it's because we're not paying attention nothing.
I say, there's a lot of stuff in your life
that matters. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that
anybody should just take the stand and slough off everything, family, work, job, whatever.
But nothing matters more than what's happening in Washington, d C.

(45:01):
Right now. Nothing.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
And let me say this eight away from the top,
they have family. For those who are just waking up
political block of brown in this, I guess, of course,
you always analyze the issues political issues for us, Brandon.
Some of the Maga folks are now waking up. This
Epstein thing has got them upset. And they're even me
making it, you know, broader than Epstein. They said, he

(45:23):
made all these promises on day one. He's gonna end
the war, He's gonna do this is gonna and he
hasn't kept any of his promises, so and they're thrown
in the Epstein thing. So so now that they're they're
kind of riled up. Do you think this is this
is the issue that will take take out Trump? And
do you think do you think that the forces inside
his inner circle a part of the group that are

(45:45):
supplying this information about Epstein hoping to as we talked
about uh jd vance in the Dark Enlightenment and replacing
Donald Trump? Do you think this is what's going on here?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
I don't. I don't know about that, you know, I
wouldn't know about that that that those are conspiracy to
the replacement to put jad Evans's And you're assuming that
jad Evans could have even if you know from vice
president president has the same effect on MAGA and could
pull together the Republicans like Trump can't to to to

(46:18):
right now, what we're dealing with, like I said, it
is a fascist movement and a fascist movement as a cult.
And you know, does JD. Evans have it to you know,
make it happen or would would would there be a
power a siege for power in the party? Hard to say,
Like we talked about early when I talked about Kentucky

(46:38):
and in the distilleries that have been folding up for
about a year now. It's a nine billion dollar industry
that seems to be struggling, and it had been made
harder by Trump's you know, tariffs and other things that
are going on. Apparently according to some of the reports
out there, Well, what does that do for the leadership
out there? What does that? What does that you know

(47:00):
what I'm saying, like, what what does that mean for
the leadership out there? What does that do with? What
are those Republicans are going to be down with the
jdvans just because Keal is down with JD events and
that that's not my decision to make. You know, sometimes
we get uh locked into you know, these things. It's

(47:20):
supposed to be so simple. But remember Rand Paul. He's
a guy that often talks a lot of medicine goes.
He doesn't go against the Republicans often, but he may be,
uh may be in a position where he has to
he feels like he has to take control because his
state may be thinking. So you don't know until you
know from these things. A lot of people think they

(47:42):
have a crystal ball to make this type of stuff happen. Now,
Teal is very important because he does have a huge
amounts of money and he's ruthless, and so he's willing,
he's willing to use it. Like I said, you know,
asking anybody that used to work at Gawker. And so
that's why that story is important. It's not important. There's
a lot of people with money. Is that that's just
not it? Are you willing to use it? And to

(48:02):
what extent are you willing to use it? And we're
looking at, like I said, the President, everything he's saying,
like you said, looks like a person almost he's in
slow motion panic and everything's trying to deflect Trump this issue,
which I like I said, I guarantee you no progressive
is running around worrying about the Epstein files. This is
it is almost purely a Maga thing. Now here's what

(48:25):
I'm gonna say about that. Remember I said this over
and over again, do not waste resources or your time,
you know that you have in your life on trying
to convince Maga or even commiserating with you know, they didn't,
they didn't, you know, stay away from the Poles when
it was clear that he was a terrible president the
first time, they didn't stay away from the Poles when

(48:47):
he said from the first time he came down the
nesculator saying racist things to the last time when he
was talking about the Haitians saying they're eating the dogs,
eating the cats, they didn't leave. They didn't stay away
from him when he when he when all of the
crazy things he said, even and arguing trying to argue
people down about tariffs, which is going to mean a
terrible thing. We've actually actually tried that in this country

(49:07):
and it was terrible. Okay, they didn't they didn't stay
home during any of that, and so any of the
reasonable things it touches us immediately, right, they don't. They
don't see a cause for us. You did what I'm saying.
If it opens their life and enlightens them, fine, you know,
let them, let them prove it in the polls. But
I'm not gonna sit here and argue down you know

(49:29):
what they have, especially like like what happened in Texas.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
You know, right, and we want to get to that,
what happened in Texas, But we're gonna step aside and
get caught up in the traffic weather, not different cities
it's three minutes away from the top of our family,
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update that's next a grand Rising family. Thanks for starting

(50:14):
your Wednesday with us. I guess it's the political blog
of Brandon. We're going to get into the Texas issue
at the moment, but Brandon, we want to address the
issue with with Donald Trump. Uh fire the the head
of the Labor Statistics group that the lady. She came
out with the unemployment report. And let me just tell
the family. The unemployment reports come out monthly, and you
know what we're doing. When we're in the reporting days

(50:36):
at Black Radio, we always get the breakdown and I've
been doing this being quite a while. Black unemployment is
always worse than any other group and sometimes double and
the ladies reports I mentioned, we were we were really
bad off, but especially among young black's unemployment is just sword.
But what what's what's the what do you think is

(50:58):
the impact of Donald Trump firing lady because she just
you know, and she's got a whole staff who puts
these figures together, but he didn't like the numbers, so
he just got rid of her. What's was the impact.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, she comes to her name. Her name is Erica mcgenter.
I think I'm saying that correctly. And she comes from
the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And you know, some of
these things are really cool because you know, a lot
of people don't know about a great deal of our
government that runs in the background. And the Bureau of
Labor Statistics is one of those things. You know that

(51:31):
you would have to be a Carl Nelson to get
the to get the breakdowns for it to be able
to It runs in the background, and it gives you
based on on UH, gives you hard numbers on employment.
It also gives you numbers on forecasting employment and then
the kind of the details of certain parts of employment

(51:52):
of what it means a certain situation, and then other
people can infer from that. But here's the thing, It's
it's in constant flux because sometimes the numbers they get
when they first report them, they need to be revised
and Trump and them. You remember Doge was going through
just slashing jobs left and right, just cutting things left

(52:15):
and right. Then they came with the the immigrants, who
they set upon the hard working people, migrant people, and
that those people then you can say, okay, you can't
use those people, but actually there's an entire support system
around them. So it's not just it's people who use
you know, if you're using Uber, it's people who who

(52:37):
have certain jobs that supply them. It's it's you know,
there's a whole supply chain around bodies of workers throughout
the United States. In any type of field that you're
talking about, whether it be a construction worker, whether it
be nursing, whether it be whatever, there's there are people
who serviced them as well spectacularly. And so the numbers

(52:57):
that came out, Brother Keith Boycott actually put something out
on Instagram which actually remarkable. But she is a commissioner,
and what she came with was basically she showed us
all the numbers that Trump had Valley Hood and the
White House at value where were they didn't exist, That

(53:18):
their doge effect went in there and you know, destroyed
jobs very effectively, and that the numbers that they thought
they were dealing with seven hundred thousand three two hundred thousand.
It was a nineteen thousand gain I think in some areas,
but in some specific areas, like you just said about
the kids, there was a loss. So, for instance, in

(53:39):
black unemployment has gone up since in July with seven
point two percent. Now that's up sixteen percent from when
he took office, when when Byron Harris were in office,
it was like four point eight percent. So Trump has
almost almost a fifty percent game. And then the black

(54:01):
youth un appointment, like in the summer from last year,
went from thirteen point four percent, remember Biden was still
in office last summer thirteen point four percent to twenty
one point seven percent. And this is where you're going
to start seeing crime rights also, not just because it's
it's young black people, young people in general, because when

(54:24):
they don't have anything to do, they don't have no
way to make money, they will go out and seek
and some of these things start going up. And then
under Trump, under Trump, black folks lost five hundred and
seventy one thousand black jobs three hundred and ninety thousand
this year.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Okay, well, and let me jump ahead and say something
about about that Brandon, because you remember he was telling
us that, I think it was in Detroit when he
was on accounta you live, immigrants are taken your jobs.
They're stealing your jobs. And some people bought that. Now
now he's kicked out some and he's kicked out so
many of the immigrants. So who's stealing the jobs? Are

(55:04):
the jobs right? Black jobs?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
But black people weren't in that. They weren't out there.
I shouldn't say black people, I should say the Afro
American diaspora at large wasn't out there picking avocados. There
might have been some, but there wasn't. You know, we
have one of the large this is we have one
of the largest uh. I'm using this term UH as
a detail, not as a not directly or anything. We

(55:28):
have the largest female, largest educated female population in the
United States black women.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
And they have been and say that again, Brandon for
the folks at the back of the room.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
We have one of the largest educated female population in
the United States black women, and they they have been
cut loose and they came, they were mostly assaulted by
and this is one of the steps towards fascism by
scapegoading them through this idea of no dei or a
rid of the e I, using the I as a slur,

(56:02):
as a slander, rather than you know, carrying it as
a flag, which we should do. We should be diverse
and damn their every job. It should be huge amounts
of diversity at every job. Only only for the oppressor,
you know, for the the the people who do oppress.
Any type of diversity, any type of uh liberty by

(56:25):
everybody else will make the oppressed feel oppressed because they
will lose their positions. They will they will lose. Instead
of going for for more diverse communities for hiring for jobs,
what we end up with is the cacistocracy, where you
have some of the worst, most untalented, and people who

(56:47):
have who don't have the credentials to have the certain
jobs they have. You know, hag Seth, it's the head
of the Department of Defense. You know Janine Pirous just
I think she's the attorney general for the or something,
a judge for the district, the fifth district or something,
some crazy All of these people are coming in the dose, guys,

(57:07):
the dose. Who's all these guys that were hired big balls,
a guy who was twenty three years old, you know,
Elon Musk who had never worked in government in his life,
was going through scraping all of the information from people
in the United States of America when his his citizenship
is murky at best. You did what I'm saying. And
so so you have these these things going on, and yes,

(57:32):
employment is in flux. It always is in flux. But
here's the thing. And like I said, Keith boy can
put it out. He was very good. And we talked
about Biden created. Biden created six hundred and forty six
thousand jobs per year. This is this is a mean.
So that's an average. Clinton three hundred and seventy five

(57:55):
thousand per year, Obama three hundred and seventy four per year,
and Trump is already lost three hundred and ninety thousand
this year alone. He's not for you. And this goes
back to what you were talking about, Carl, when you
asked about the mag of situation in black magnets in
your life. I'm going to say this, you know, do

(58:16):
not give them time or energy. They are either playing
willfully ignorant or they have a whole other game on.
In my in my estimation, gotta be careful.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Because here at ten after the top, they are Brandon
with this thing about the unemployed report, and as you mentioned,
he fired the lady who was in charge of well,
she was just the head. All she did is commissioned,
put the numbers together and announced it. It's her staff.
So he's going to replace there with somebody who will
give him the numbers that he likes. What sort of

(58:47):
damage is he going to do now? Going on? When
we hear about government reports, whether it be on employment
report or something, if they're not singing the Maga tune,
we don't know what really is going on. How much
damage is that going to do?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
There is you know, every sector, every large business section
I'm talking about why call so, financial, real estate, All
these sectors are dependent upon some of these statistics. Because
it's not just it's a there's a consumer index that's
wrapped in there. There's there there's employment hiring trends that

(59:22):
are wrapped in. This is all information that is used
to help keep the employment, the part of employment in
our economy together. And it's not just that it's okay,
what's going to need an influx of money, where's some
of the money going to be coming from? Where even
down to where products are going to be you know,
what products are going to be voted. It's our homes
being are they ready to be online against we can

(59:45):
furnish the homes and all these different things, Carl that
are connected to a report like this, and I think
that it's it's him hiring a yes man, a boot
liquor in there is going to destabilize some of the information.
The banks, the the big money sectors of our of

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our economy are not going to be able to rely
on these numbers. And you know, we're going to see
how bad it'll get. But it's already you know, it's
already cratery and and unfortunately that we've seen right once
they once they revise the numbers, they said, okay, well
here's where the numbers were. It's not you know, we're
not saying that. She wasn't saying it in a in
a distance serve here like you said. She announced it

(01:00:28):
and then he came out and what does he say?
She was a Biden appointee, and so she was just
trying to be she was just being uh political, when
the fact was she wasn't being political. What she was
doing was trying to announce the numbers, you know, and
they were revised you know, from from from a couple

(01:00:50):
of months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Here's something that's just crossing the way. Brandan and NBC
reporting that did he and we're talking about Trump. Did
he as a fire and he reached out to Trump
about a pardon. Uh. You know, we talked about their
relationship with Epstein. They all used to party together. So now, uh,
after he tried together get out on bail and he
was turned down. So he's gone out to Donald Trump

(01:01:14):
officially reaching out to him now asking for a pardon.
I don't want to get your thoughts on it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
I don't really you know, it's not me. I'm not
a pop you know, uh, pop culture the general. It's
like a lot of good people, a lot of people online,
a lot of people, a lot of influencers on there.
I think the most important thing to understand is they
dropped the charges that would have been most helpful to
people who felt that they had been trafficked. Uh. And

(01:01:45):
it's gonna be another erosion in in the law if
he's if he's pardoned, uh, you know, as as things
were presented as such. So but yeah, I yeah, I
don't know what to say other than the people hope
they find healing and they find peace through this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
And you know what this is why this is kind
of important. Or fourteen you have the top out because
there was speculation about this before and one of the
top MAGA folks is if he partns A, did he,
He's going to lose a lot of support in the
for the MAGA folks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I don't know, I don't I don't know what's going
what what has been holding on? Like I said, I
never would have if you'd have put the scene thing
on a list right then said which were the things
who would make them, you know, walk away? I certainly
wouldn't have chosen that. And yet and still here we are.
So I don't know, I don't know what's going to
you know, partnering did he? He's partnered so many people,

(01:02:44):
So I mean, like I said, tell people, you know,
if you're listening, your guys are goal google Cagastocracy and
you're going to get an outline of the Trump administration.
He's parting all these people that have done just ridiculously.
My guests, I mean, I'm wondering why if you have
to ask yourself, Carl, let's look at it. I mean,
you you've you've been through several presidents, not saying you're old,

(01:03:06):
not saying you're ancient, but you know, you know your
tooth is long, and you see the present. Doesn't it
feel to you like he's like he's just in their
direct shop, Like there's a lot of stuff he's doing
is just to it just looks like it's just to destroy,
Like there's not even a political philosophy behind it. It's
just it's just to just tear apart, just different parts

(01:03:31):
and departments of government and things that I give an example,
and I'm not a tax uh specialist or anything like that,
but they had worked very hard where American citizens could
file their taxes for free at the I R S.
And that just evaporated. They they got rid of that.

(01:03:55):
He stopped it completely. You cannot go on there and
file your taxes. It was a free service through the government.
And some people say, well, that's because the people who
make the tax software, you know, lobbied and got it
taken down. Now, who does that help? If you know
what I'm saying, who really does that?

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Who does that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
What that does is it destroys trust because we're not
talking about something that's like you know, buying shoes or
we're talking about you know what spatchel are you going
to use? We're talking about something that everybody has to
attend to it at different points in their life. And
then one that you may be okay, can build no
trust for that's from the government and then the government
sells out to a private You know, this is the assertion.

(01:04:41):
I'm not saying this is actually what happened. But does
that build trust or does that just break? Does it
break that bridge to people getting stuff done? You did
what I'm saying, and you know, you have dozens and
dozens of situations like that where the trust of the
people in the United States are being tested, you know,
and mind you, you know, black folks have a well

(01:05:03):
earned skepticism of all the systems in the United States
of America. I've always said this, including the health system
and other things. But I look up and I see
rfk ju your talking about he's taking all the funding
away from vaccine, not just the research, but now the
the the the government backing of vaccine distribution. And you

(01:05:29):
go on the city you're trying to look for, Okay,
is the burgershos still going on? Are the measles still happening.
Well in La County. They just had some West Nile virus.
Some accounts of the West Nile virus if people don't
know about that was spread through mosquitoes, and it's been
that it's been very damaging in many states.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
So I mean, right right there, I got to step
aside for a quick and then when we come back,
and also we want to talk about what's going on
in Texas. But if folks you want to find out
with going on with Brandon just talked about it seems
like Donald Trump is just bulldozing through the federal government.
Read again, just google Dark Enlightenment, Dark and Lightment, Peter Teal, JD.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Vans.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
They don't like democracy. So that's what I'm the theory
is Brandon, I know he disavowed of it, that they're
using Trump to do all of this. They're putting JD.
Vance Whether I just wanted to throw that into since
you mentioned that you saw what he was doing eighteen
half the tops to have real quickly is let's come
back and if you want to get in on this
conversation eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

(01:06:30):
and they take the calls next.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks so waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning. At twenty one minute staff at
the top of they are we talking politics with Brandon.
Brandon's a political blogger, and you want to jump in
on this conversation at end time, just reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, Brandon, I'm gonna let you finish your thought
then bring us up to date what's going on in Texas.
For the folks who are not following the news, well

(01:07:23):
we can.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
We can because I was asking you the question of
you know, does it look like this is just pure
chaos for chaos sakes to destroy every system and subsystem
in the in the the government of the United States.
And to me, that's what it looks like. It looks
like there's a rec shop in order to control it. Now,

(01:07:47):
did you guys get a chance to I'm pretty sure
many of you've heard of the list of the fourteen
early Warning Signs of Fascism that's written by Lawrence Britt
sometimes referred to as doctor Lawrence Britt when we wasn't
a doctor. And this is just a kind of an
opinion piece that was put out in two thousand and three,
but it speaks so connectively, connectively to what we're going through.

(01:08:16):
And if you can overlap this on Project twenty twenty five,
what you'll see is something that is astonishing. I'm not
going to go through a mall, but I just I'll
just go through a couple of Number one is powerful
and continually continuing nationalism. Well, Carl Maga right, make America
great again. Disdain through human rights. Absolutely when he came

(01:08:37):
down there, the escalator immediately talked about Latinos Mexicans to
be specific, They're not sitting us their best and that,
you know, got riled his cult, which led in people
attacking Mexicans in Boston, to brothers beat up a Mexican
that night because or a Latino man, excuse me that
night because of what they heard Donald Trump say. Identification

(01:08:59):
of enemies is the unifying cause. The one thing that
Trump can do that almost better than anybody else is
create monsters and enemies fast than anybody else. Somebody else's
fault as supremacy of the military. The military budget is
hired as high as it's ever been, not to mention
this gestapo that he is funded. It's the largest funding

(01:09:24):
of this type of organization. I'm talking about ICE. We're
looking at forty five billion. I think it's another thirty
billion or something coming close, like seventy billion dollars. Just
a remarkable, remarkable amount of money for this organization. Rapid sexism.
We see that in Red Pill America and many of
the blogs that are going on controlled mass media. Trump

(01:09:44):
has has think about it, Carl CBS and many other
of the top ones bent the knee, all bent the
knee to him. They fired people, they have paid basically
paid him, paid, paid him off. It's just kind of crazy,
how close to the nub that his his administration is running.

(01:10:08):
Because this, I said, this is an opinion piece. I
don't even know if it was scholarly. This is and
this is by the way, it's just the headline of
the piece. Because all of these particular all these particular
headlines that I'm reading to you now the enumeration of
the review now actually have paragraphs connected to him in
the original piece a little bit more thought out. But yeah,

(01:10:29):
I mean we're through a lot of these, and so
you know, that's what I was saying to you before
we get to the Texas thing is that you know,
it's a great deal of chaos going it doesn't it
to you? Does it to you? Seem you know, like
he's just breaking things just to break them, just to
tear apart the fabric of the government system in the

(01:10:49):
United States.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Yeah. I keep going back to the Dock Enlightenment piece,
you know, and you can look it up because he
tells you exactly what's taking place that that's and and
but in that piece that you mentioned, did they ever
come up with a solution or it's as you say,
it's a slow march that the country's going through right now.
It's so slow people haven't recognized it yet. So one

(01:11:14):
day we'll we'll wake up and then you'll say the Well,
as he mentioned earlier, that you've done your last election.
There's no more elections and no more there's no we're
not going to vote anymore because I decided that we're
not going to vote anymore. Get into that details.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
No, no, no, this this is the warning sign. This
is like I said, this is someone, This is the
think piece that someone wrote in two thousand and three.
There is one that that gets a little deeper that
has that. I think it's the Five Signs of the
Seven Signs that actually talks about and it goes into
great detail about the fascism that rose in Italy and
it says some of the same things. The the lessons

(01:11:51):
that we've gotten through history are are very deep. The
faster turnaround you want the blood here it is And
I don't mean by the sense that we have to
go to war, but there's gonna be some people that
have to get out there and get in the streets
and face the authorities face to face. And it's not

(01:12:12):
always going to end pretty. That's just you know, that's
over a second.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Brand. I think what the most of the American people think, Okay,
we've got a dysfunctional administration. In the next four years,
over the next two years, we can we can reshape
the government and we can kick them out and everything
we're back to normal. Uh do you that article or
what you've read them? You know your announcis, do you
think that's possible?

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Well, this is the line of the sand has been drawn,
and the the logic that you're talking about adhere's to
the idea that there are political answers to this Okay,
so nobody likes what the Republican is putting on. The Republicans

(01:13:00):
put one of the worst pieces of legislation as as
a functional piece of legislation for the for the for
the majority of Americans. They pushed it through and it's terrible,
absolutely terrible. So people would say politically, okay, now, okay,
Now what's gonna happen now is they're gonna pay for

(01:13:22):
that politically, because people are gonna go to the polls
and they're gonna kick these people out. But then what happens.
Trump jumps up and says authoritarian Hey, Texas, carry manned
your state so that we can pick up five more
seats and eliminate pretty much any democratic presence and in

(01:13:43):
your state.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
So the answer to the political answer is more authoritarianism.

Speaker 8 (01:13:50):
And the moment that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Governor Newsom and Pritzker and a different other couple of
other governors began to speak out, Hulkol basically said, what
needs to be the moment that they spoke out about it,
Texas and Trump at all tried to act as if
they were the victims. Well, this is after having heavily
gerymanded states and Democrats are now trying to do more
blah blah blah blah blah. But Hulkle said no, Hockle

(01:14:16):
is the government of New York. She said, no, this
is war and the idea needs to be really adhered to.
You can't if you're sitting there looking for the political
solution and someone is outside of the bounds of all
political law, all laws. Excuse me, that's surrounds. Remember the

(01:14:38):
reason why all this is done is because the Voting
Rights Act used to make many of the Southern states.
They had to deliver the electoral maps to a commission
in Washington, d C. Because they couldn't be trusted. They
couldn't be trusted because they always jerrymanned black people of power.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
And com mejum me here at thirty minutes after the
top of that brown and talk to that two states
you know where our listening audience, most of our listening
audiences live. Maryland. For example, Wes Moore says that all
options are on the table. He did not, you know,
join with the other progressive democratic governess and doing what

(01:15:25):
they do and welcoming the folks from Texas to come
to Maryland. But he says all options are on the table.
On the other side, in Virginia, there's a young woman
who's running for the governor in and she's a Republican,
but she has not Trump has not endorsed her. He's
told people to get behind her, but he still hasn't said,
you know how. He tells her, this is my person
who I pick, this is who I want. He hasn't
got a money. Some people think because she's black, he

(01:15:49):
won't give her that full throated endorsement. So she's struggling
right now in Virginia and they may lose the departments,
may lose the governorship because of that. But I want
you to go back and tell folks, because you know
not some of our folks don't follow the news like
you and I do. What's happening with with with Texas
and why? Because now I understand that Trump is again

(01:16:10):
with with Abbott, the governor of Texas. He'll get the
FBI to get him back and they're going to charge
him civilly just all that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
So let me I was gonna break into it. So
let me say that the there used to be a
commission that used to say that the the old Confederate
States had to submit their congressional maps, retum the electoral
maps on how their districts districting, so they wouldn't jerry
man people's color from power. Ronald Reagan called it insulting.

(01:16:41):
One of the lawyers that worked for Wrong Raging On
team was John Roberts, and the Roberts Court, among many
other things that are horrible, have declawed and almost completely
destroyed the Votights Act. And and so you do have
this situation where what's going on in Texas? Now, what's
in Texas?

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
As?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Trump jumped up and said, Texas, re jerrymanned your districts
before the midterms of elections so that you can pick
up five more seats, in other words, silence the democratic
presidence in your state, Texas. Abbot says, sure, we're going
to do that. Now they need a quorum, which is

(01:17:23):
to have a certain amount of Democrats actually have to
be present in order to make that vote legal. And
the Democrats left the state. They've left the state, most
of the Democrats, said, all the Democrats have left the state,
and so they're in different parts of the nation. And
Abbot then is saying that he's going to get subpoenas

(01:17:43):
to get them back, and then later on he was
going to give them warrants, and then later on he's
going to use Texas marshals to bring them back. He's
saying all this stuff, but none of it applies to
the other states with these people in I don't know
what the endgame is, but the moment he did that
of these other blue states have triggered to say, Okay,
well we're gonna We're gonna fire. And I think one
of the problems with the progressive side is and it's

(01:18:05):
just it's a conundrum and something that it's gonna sound
terrible and I don't mean it, you know, to be
hurtful to anyone, but we often always when when the
red states do horrible things, they shield behind retaliation or
they shield from they shield from retaliation behind the Democrats

(01:18:27):
in their state, you know, when they do horrible things
to the state, and you know, progressives say, well, we
can't punish the whole state because there are Democrats there.
And I think at some point the Democrats have to say,
you know what, this is war, or at least it's
a slow motion walk to war. Like I've been saying,
what I've been calling this slow motion civil war and

(01:18:49):
that's why holcombe statement is very important, because she's saying, look,
this would we have to stop thinking within the boundaries
of politics and think outside of that. What would this
mean if they do this? It means that people that
passed some of the worst legislation and generations are going
to try to take control by muting a part of

(01:19:11):
their population, basically by oppressing a part of their population
from voting. And we can't have that. We can't have that.
It's one thing to convince people to vote. You know,
MAGA has done so much damage to this country. You know,
one would think you're in your right from stopping them
from voting for someone who is so craven and so ignorant.

(01:19:36):
But at the same times you have to convince others
to outvote them. None of that matters though, if if
your vote, vote, vote is silenced through the efforts of
a governor to destroy your ability to be heard.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, oh that thought right. The twenty six away from
the top of all political blog a Brando, we're talking
politics this morning and from California. Explain to the audience
how much of a juggernaut California is for for the UH,
for the federal government, for the United States. How much
money that the state of California, Because I understand that
it makes more money than than all of the states

(01:20:16):
put together, and not put together, all of the Red
States put together. And and it's got one of the
largest GDPs in the world. And that's what that's that's
what Trump is trying to rest Can you explain to
that for the folks who because if folks who don't
live in California don't understand how much California contributes to
the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Right, It's a donor state. It has the fourth largest
economy in the world. We have a lot. We California
has a bigger economy than Japan the country, Okay, and
Japan's economy no slouts California. The GDP we're bringing in
is like four point one trillion, okay. And we are

(01:20:59):
we are right, we we we are behind the United States, China,
and Germany. The state of California remarkably diverse, from from
border to border, from the desert to the sea. We
have huge amounts of resources and timber, and in minerals

(01:21:23):
and in agriculture, with the largest agricultural country in the
United States. We have remarkable re markable. And then you
also have Silicon Valley, which is you know, this country's
uh birthing canal for for software. Not just that, but

(01:21:49):
also the funding of you know, the future, the funding
of the software, the funding of the technology, of the
new technology that we're using. So California is a mentally
important to the economy of the United States, and it's
a big bat. Trump and and ignorant Republicans like to

(01:22:09):
jump up and say, oh, it's a it's a it's
a swamp, it's a it's dirty, it's filthy, it's this,
that and the other, especially when they're talking about Los Angeles.
Los Angeles is the largest county in the country. It
is the largest population in the country and its county,
and it does have the largest homeless population. It fluctuates,

(01:22:30):
but it has the largest homeless population in the country.
But that's because it can support it has the weather
to have the largest homeless population. And it is unwildy
and it's very difficult and it's hard to deal with.
It is not no easy thing because a lot of
the homeless population, they're not just people who are just
you know, some people actually are working homeless. You never

(01:22:52):
even see them there's other people who are mentally ill
and you see them all the time, and it's just
it's a very it's unwildy and we're trying to deal
with it the best way we can. The United States
should be on a national effort to deal with a
homeless population. This is after the Reagan debacle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
By the way, how did you explain that what Ronald
Reagan did, or a California and himself what he did
for the homeless folks? Twenty three minutes away from the
Top Day, I got to step aside and get caught
up in the Ladies News. Family, you want to get
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Reach out to ust A eight hundred and four or
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Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
You're fucking with the most submissive the Carl Nelson Show,
You're fucking with the most submissive, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting on Wednesday with us too.
After the top that with political block of Brandon, the
Faith Brothers are on deck. That would be doctor Jay
Edmonds and Pastor Kurran Manning would get to them momentarily
in interest of time, though Brandon Uh sister for him
has called from Washington, d C. Wants to comment on
or has a question for you, Grand rising sister for him,
You're on with Brandon h.

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
Yes, good morning mister Nelson, and good morning to Brandon.
I just wanted to say that there were people of
the blend and the Black community did vote for Mandane.
In fact, James introduced him to Night. She endorsed him,
and there were people throughout the city that did that

(01:24:50):
were black, that did support him. It is centrist Democrats
who want to maintain the status quo who did not
support him. But because I know a number of people
of every human stripe that were black, that are black
that did support him, young people and older people, Like

(01:25:11):
I said, James introduced him to Night, and he was
recently at the Wu Tang Clans concert in Massive Square
Garden as a guest of the former congressman from the
Bronx who had lost whose name is Skacy right now.
And so the black community was divided. You know, you
had people at Clyburn pushing for Croomo and those people
who were part of who are centrists, centrist Democrats who

(01:25:34):
want to maintain the status. Quote were the ones that
did not vote for Madonnie. But we'll see what happens
in a couple of months when you have the electric
that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Thank you, Sister Forma for that clarification. Brand and you
want to respond to or no.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
I mean, like I said, this is New York and
and I think he does represent a new pathway, but
he's not the you know, I like him. I don't
want my bias to get into it. But like I said,
let the New Yorkers handle that. There is a problem
with h with the age and the the lack of

(01:26:13):
empowerment that it's going on through this. I think it's
going through a sea change as well. Sister Crockett out
of you were just talking about Jesmin Crockett, Representative Crocket
Excuse me, she kind of represents that as well, because
remember a couple of weeks ago, she was actually lamenting
how the powers that be in the party, you know,

(01:26:35):
were kind of constraining her. But they use her name
constantly to raise money off of and and you know,
I'm not going to say, I'm not going to take
it to the highest of resentment, but she was complaining
about it, then she has a right to she owns
her star and now her district is one of the
districts that they're talking about trying to Jerry Man and

(01:26:59):
basically removed her seat from the House delegation from Texas.
And what support are what support is the old Guard
giving her? What support are they doing? What are they
doing to stand up for her full throated and chest out,
What are they doing to make to ensure that she's
not she's not left out there flailing by herself.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
You know what I'm saying, right, And we're gonna have
to table that question and the answer to that and
respondince the next time. Brandon, Brandon, We've got folks are
tweeting me and so you get calls, but they tweeted
and they told they're all in support. Sometimes people are afraid,
you know, discuss when it comes to we talk about issues.
You know, straight up, they're just afraid. They're they're petrified

(01:27:43):
of saying something that may you know, take off the
wrong people. But they they've got a lot of tweets
of supporting you brand. It's I just want you to
know that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Well, can I say this before I go? Can I
say this? This is why your show is so important,
and it's important to support Carl Nelson. One of the
jewels of the United States of America is under attack
and may not be around anymore. PBS has been on
the radar for the Republicans to keep everybody stupid for

(01:28:12):
decades and it's one of the greatest inventions that we
have and now they're finally trying to get rid of it.
That includes trying to move Sesame Street over to a
pay streaming situation, and all of the great shows and
all of the things that a lot of people watch
to get on to dig with that is gone. Carl
Nelson's show is one of the few shows that you're
going to hear people actually having a conversation discussion about

(01:28:33):
their opinions that you may agree or disagree on, but
at least they're getting out there and right now, right now,
more than any other time in my life, we're looking
at fascism in the eye, where far more people are
being silenced than giving the opportunity to give. Yes, there's
fear out there, and I'm not going to tell anybody
who standing the way of their future or to put
any of their families or anything else in harm's way.

(01:28:55):
But it's going to take people, normal people, regular everyday
people twenty four to seven to stand up. The people
listening right now. You can praise. I take your praisers,
I say, I'm thankful for them, but also you got
to stand up. You have to because this is not
There's no Superman or Batman coming from out of the shadows.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
All right, Thanks Brandon, Thanks to the kind words as well.
We'll talk later, yes, stake care. Let's turn attention to
the faith brothers now, doctor Jay Edmunds, Grand Rising. Oh,
thank you, sir, Pastor kurwin Man and Grand Rising.

Speaker 10 (01:29:35):
Good to be with you brothers this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Uh past the man before we get into the topic
of your situation, because you were there. You were a
ground zero with the wildfires out in Altadena Pasadena area.
Brandon gave us an update, But what's your particular situation.

Speaker 10 (01:29:52):
There's things changed, things are things are changing. You know,
we're still trying to get again. We appreciate all of
the thoughts and prayers and the gen arc of your listeners.
We're still trying to get people in long term housing.
A lot of people are now finding long term housing
while they navigate the whole process of rebuilding if they're

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if they're able to, and if they desire to. So
we're in that middle passage. We've got some people staying
in RVs on their lots because they're just tired of
moving around and they just want to be near there
where their homes were, So we want to make sure
that those people get the resources they need. Some of
those areas still don't have electricity or plumbing, so, you know,

(01:30:34):
so they have to they're living the RV life for
the extended future. We're so thankful that our home didn't
burn down, but it had smoke damage and we've been
displaced since January the eighth, and we were able to
get back in our home on July the eighth, so
we're thankful for that, and we're able to really really
just focus on others and just making sure that our

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community is rebuilt and the conversations with the govern officials
about permits and making sure that the workforce comes from
our community so that as we rebuild, we're also building
wealth and legacy for this new next generation coming. So
we're you know, we're in the middle of it, and

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we're thankful to be able to press the battle on
as the old Halm says.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Yeah, and Pastor and Manning, that's just one of the
problems facing people's people out there in southern California's in
the Altadena Pasadena area, but politically. Just had the conversation
with Brandon all the stuff that's that's going on, you know,
in the country and the turmoil, told them people are
scared people. There's a lot of fear, you know, because
they don't know the future. When you counsel people, what

(01:31:47):
do you tell them when they come to you when
they and they express that I may lose my job,
I may lose my home. I don't know what to do.
What do you say to folks when they come to you,
Pastor Kwen, Well.

Speaker 10 (01:31:57):
That's a great question, and it is what we're dealing.
So I'm thankful for your guests before us, I tell
people from my own experience, from my trust in the
scriptures and the Word of God, that we have just
a split second to whenever we're faced with crisis or anything,
the challenges that we all are facing, and even more

(01:32:20):
severe than some of us, that we have just a
moment to decide whether we're going to walk in fear
or if we're going to walk in faith. Fear paralyzes you.
It's sometimes it's the paralysis of analysis. You're just looking
at all of this stuff that's happening and everything around you,
and you feel like you can't move. Other people are facing,

(01:32:41):
you know, tremendous financial burdens and layoffs and things like that.
But even in the midst of that, it's either fear
or faith. When your faith kicks in, you realize that
God has given us everything we need to live for him,
and that he's the one who ultimately provides us. He
is known as Jehovah Jyro. On the mouths of the Lord,

(01:33:03):
there is provision. Faith says that I put my faith
not in a political system, definitely, not in our government,
not in any of our three branches totally. But we
put our faith in God's faithfulness. And David said, I
was once young, but now I'm old. But I've never
seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. When

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faith ticks in, you realize that the way that things
are right now are temporary, and it's so easy to
get caught up in. As David said in The Psalms
and the Wicked, he said, I was looking at the wicked,
and it seems like they're winning, right. It seems like
they don't have any words. It seems like they're passing

(01:33:47):
any laws that they want to, and they're disrupting systems
and reorganizing governments. It seems like the wicked wins. But
he said, but then I think it Psalm seventy three.
He said, but then I entered into the sanctuary of God,
and I realized how things really were. David said, he
almost slipped. I almost drank the kool aid, as I say,

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But I entered into God's presence in a sanctuary, and
I realized that the wicked don't win. I realized that
God has He has a reward for them as well.
That's not gonna be nice because his vengeance is complete.
So we got to have faith and trust that God
will work it out and bring it through. It doesn't
mean we sit on our hands, doesn't mean that we

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just pray, but it means that we have to work.
We have to go into our communities and educate people.
We've got to do that not only in our communities,
but in our churches. We've got to encourage church folk
to not only read their Bibles and pray but also
to be active members of our community in our society.

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The last thing I say on that is in Jeremiah
twenty nine. Well, just in Jeremiah, when God's people are
taking captive, the Lord says to them, I want you
to settle into this foreign land. He says, I want
you to build homes. I want you to marry and
get involved in it, because as you prosper, it will prosper.

(01:35:13):
So I believe it's time for all of us to
do our part in making sure that our country and
our own personal lives are our property aligned. But it
only comes, I believe with faith in the Lord Jesus
Christ and putting our faith in his faithfulness, because God
never fails and his love. According to First Corinthians thirteen

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verse eight, it says love never fails, it never fades out,
it never it never becomes obsolete. So we trust in
God's faithfulness. If we walk in love in the midst
of others walking in hatred and fear, we will.

Speaker 11 (01:35:52):
Win all right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Fourteen half the top they our family just checking in
that was past the current manning, and also he is
joined by doctor Jay Edmonds. Collectively, they're known as the
Faith Brothers. Got a question, any question about religion. These
are the brothers you need to post that question to
let me go to doctor Edmunds. So doctor Edmunds, what
past the current managers say is just said, you're kind
of like patients. That's what I inferred from what he

(01:36:16):
was saying. But what do you do doing this patience?
Many of us don't have that job like quality. You know,
we see things and we may panic because, you know,
just just trying to pull past the Manning says that
things are going to change. But what do we do
while we wait for things to change.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
We work, That's what we do. I agree with Pastor
Manning as it relates to having the faith, knowing that
God can change things, and also giving us the ability
to be able to come up with with the ideas

(01:36:56):
and put deep to that faith, get out and work
and do those things that are necessary to realize the
type of outcome that is equitable. Patience is good. Patience
is the weapon that forces deception to be revealed. Once

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deception has been revealed, when do we do with that?
We can see it quite plainly, this is supposed to
be a government of the people, by the people for
other people. We have to define are we inclusive with that?
And if not, in which ways are we lacking? And

(01:37:39):
then step forward with action, step forward with ideas, whether
it be legislatives or otherwise, that will bring about the
type of resolution that is equitable in all across the
board benefits all. From a spiritual standpoint, we see that

(01:38:03):
they're always an opposing force. And this is what we
deal with when we talk about what God intended for
his human creation to realize, so that that would be
the foundation for stepping into a certain amount of action,

(01:38:25):
certain type of action. We do warfare in the spirit realm,
and we see God moves, He acts upon our actions.
We act, He acts upon our actions. If we remain
apathetic and complacent, there is no movement where basically watching

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things happen, as the person say, there are people who
who three types of people say, you know, they watch
things happen, and there are people who say, we want
to make it happen, and there are people who say,
what happened. So we have to understand that God works

(01:39:10):
in our works when we move either faith is predicated
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
All right, old up, all right there, doctor Edmunds, You
have got to step astide in a few moments we
come back. I've got some more questions for you. We're
talking about solutions, what we do in this time of
crisis that we're going through right now as a country.
What are your thoughts? Family, you want to got a
question for the Faith Brothers, it doesn't have to be
on this topic. And any question about religion an any
kind of religion, reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six and

(01:39:38):
we'll take the phone calls.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
Thanks now, back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for rolling with us on
this Wednesday morning hump day. That means we're halfway through
the workweek with the Faith Brothers, Doctor Jay Edmonds and
Pastor Curring Manning. You got a question, any question about
religion or you want to talk about what's going on?
This is These are the two brothers. You need to
pose those questions too, And of course you can reach
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. Marvin's in Baltimore has a question for

(01:40:28):
the Faith Brothers. He's online one Grand Rise in Marvin.

Speaker 8 (01:40:30):
Your question, Hey, how you are doing?

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
First of all, this morning, Good morning, agree, thank you, sir.

Speaker 12 (01:40:38):
I want to know what when that change gonna come
for us to actually stop these white people from doing
what they want to do to us in sneaky ways,
because they's starting real heavy now, you know, and we
got the changes that we need to make is to
stop them from going they're doing. So what's your opinion
doing that whole world to get that?

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
Yeah, I think that in order to effectuate change, there
has to be a cohesiveness among those who are seeking change,
and there has to be a cogent plan in various areas,

(01:41:24):
and they have to be activated and carried out by
those who are willing to do so. You're right about complacency,
which yields nothing at all. It leaves those who are
oppressed in the same position or worse. So there has

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to be a structured plan and has to be those
who are willing to carry them out. And it starts
with ourselves. We ask ourself. You ask yourself, what am
I doing at this point? To align myself with those
who have structured plans to bring about change? Personally? What

(01:42:12):
am I doing?

Speaker 8 (01:42:13):
You have to ask.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
Yourself that, and every individual, yourself, myself and others who
are seeking change and no beyond the shadow. Without that,
there is an imbalance should be engaged. I always say
to my brothers within the faith that we cannot detach

(01:42:43):
ourselves from the reality of what is going on around us.
We have to educate. We have to be able to
reveal the source or the catalyst for these things that
are occurring that are biased and evil. And once we

(01:43:08):
can identify that, we want to make sure that we're
not just speaking from a spiritual standpoint without any actions,
but we're speaking from a standpoint of number one, know
your enemy, Know who your enemy is. Now construct a
program for that and deal with that. So it starts

(01:43:30):
with each of us asking ourselves that interrogative, what are
we doing presently now, not what the other person is doing,
What are we doing to effectuate change? And change comes
when react on that.

Speaker 10 (01:43:49):
Yeah, I agree so much, Doctor Evans. That's so thankful
for you, my brother. I remember a quote from Pastor
Rick Warren that I use often when having these conversations
about change, Brother Marvin Rick says. Pastor Rick says, people
don't change until they hurt enough that they have to
learn enough that they want to or receive enough that

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they're able to. I think we're almost moving more towards
the hurting enough that we have to change in our country.
But we also have to learn. We also have to receive,
and we have to as it's been said, we have
to take a personal assessment and then collectively come together
and with our resources, with our brightest minds and leaders,

(01:44:36):
and then and press in and demand. I mean, change
is something that you have to demand many times. Just
like when it comes to peace, the Bible says seek
peace and pursue it. I was talking to a friend
recently it was going through. I said, well, man, that's
because peace is very elusive. If you got to seek
it and pursue it, it's always being pushed back. And

(01:44:56):
just when you think you're getting into peaceful times, something
has And so we have to definitely be proactive when
it comes to change and being agents have changed and
not waiting, as doctor edmond said, waiting for someone else
to do it or or watching it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
All right, family twenty five off the top that were
the Faith Brothers. That was the voice of Pastor Coen
Manning and also doctor j Edmonds was with us. Doctor Edmondson,
how can we all the chaos that's around us now,
you know, as not just as black people, just some
people period that in this country that we're going through.
And you mentioned earlier I think both you sort of
mentioned that we should have some sort of patients and

(01:45:35):
you know many of us don't have that Joe Black patience.
But how do you develop some sort of inner joy
so it sort of inoculates you from all all the
chaos that's surrounding, all the issues there what you're hearing
the news, but you you could remain upbeat? How can
you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
To acquire joy and keep it? It is important. Having
joy comes from two positions. The first position is being
able to look forward and see that the outcome is
going to be favorable to you, even when you have

(01:46:15):
not yet reached that point of favorability and that outcome,
but knowing that it will, you can maintain joy in
your private your personal awe, in your present rather situation. Secondarily,
joy comes from the inner sense of well being. I

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am who I say I am, not who others define
me to be, and that is keeping your joy. By
knowing your history, by knowing who you are, you're able
to go through as a great fighters. You know, great

(01:47:02):
fighters are not determined by how many punches they can throw,
but actually how many punches they can take when you're
knocked down to get back up or remain on the canvas.
And when one has that type of border to it
can maintain their joy throughout. What throws us is seeing

(01:47:25):
those who are perpetrating this wickedness intentionally and it seems
as if there is no recourse for them, and it
is affecting us those who are pressing or those who

(01:47:49):
are finding themselves in the situation whereas they are classified
as others. That is difficult sometimes I'm to swallowed to
see that in justice. As the previous callers spoke of.
That is what prompts us to even dig in more

(01:48:11):
fiercely and say, I know who I am, and this
gives me the fortitude the time to construct, to consult
with God and construct ideas remedies, and just in the
process of constructing those ideas and remedies, that brings joy,

(01:48:34):
that brings strength within itself. You look at Malcolm X,
you look at Martin Luther King, what few of them
to continue that fight in the face of personal debt.
There are so many people who talk about change and
they have their positions on change. Are you willing to
give you a life for what you believe in? Are

(01:48:58):
you willing to put your life on the line? Well,
Joy dictates that. Joy says, I am confident who I am,
and I deserve better and I'm willing to give my
life for what I believe there, and I'm looking to
stand with those who have that same.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Uh viewpoint of the thirty minutes after the top of
our family with the faith Brothers here, doctor Jay Edmonds,
you just heard and past the current manning before taking off,
doctor uh, past the manning? What what what past? Doctor
Edmunds said about Joy? And to use figure metaphorically still
at boxing, and we're being taking a lot of blows
as black people, and we're taking a lot of hits

(01:49:40):
right now as we speak. How do how do how
do we deal with that? You know? How do how
do we how do we not react? You know, taking
all these hits? How do we how do we remain
peaceful to all this conflict around?

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
How many?

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
How many blows does black people have to take? You know,
just just help us out there, how do we deal
with give us a solution?

Speaker 8 (01:50:00):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (01:50:00):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Past the many you know? Just because I know the
people who are listening to they are like, well, how
how many cheks do we have to turn?

Speaker 10 (01:50:11):
Yes, one of the one of the things that helps
ground me. When you ask the question about some I'm
thinking about me and this as well, because it affects
all of us, right, even even pastors and spiritual folk.
Where you know, when it rains, it rains on us
as well. And when when these things come we we
are impacted as well. But I'm reminded of the words

(01:50:31):
in Jesus of Jesus in the Gospel of John chapter sixteen,
Jesus says, you know in this world you will have trouble.
You will have that word. You can expand it to
so many things. And you know in this world, in
this world you would have conflict. In this world you
will have one translation says suffering. In this world, you

(01:50:52):
will have pain. In this world, you will have seasons
like these when it seems like, man, we we can
barely keep our head above waters. He says, But but
make courage, because I've overcome the world. So our confidence
and our joy number one is otherworldly. The peace that
we have the scriptures as goes beyond all understanding. And

(01:51:12):
the joy that I have. You know, as you know,
the older I get, the more I remember the songs
that the saints used to sing. That as a child,
I thought, well, that doesn't make sense, But but now
I'm settling my faith in it because they used to
sing this joy I have. The world didn't give it
to me, and the world can't take it away. So
so first of all, realizing that trouble is another word

(01:51:38):
in that Jesus is talking about, Trouble comes to all
of us. Trouble is a part, you know in golf
terminology is power. For the course, we will all face
difficult and hard times. We will all be phil beaten
up or that we're that we're getting crushed, but we

(01:51:58):
have to remember Jesus says, take courage because I've overcome
the world. So again I'm not gonna pull away from
that our faith and his faithfulness. But then it's something
about to be said about enduring and into and to
endure you have to you have to first of all
embrace that these things will come. But then also you

(01:52:21):
have to have hope for a brighter future. You know,
when you talk about Victor Frankel search for Man's Meaning,
search for meaning, even with those in concentration camps. The
ones that survived the concentration camps from Nazi Germany were
those in many cases who had a glimpse in their

(01:52:45):
mind's eye of a brighter future for their children's children.
In other words, they they didn't even really know if
they were going to make it through, but they continue
to persevere because they knew that they had to bring
change for their posterity. And we have to do the

(01:53:06):
same thing. And one of the reasons that I continue
to remain on the front line and and and fight
this good fight and and challenge even sometimes the authority
when it's misdirected, is because I want my children's children
to live in a better world. So we have to endure.

(01:53:28):
You know. I remember as a kid hearing about slavery
and even the things that happened in the Jim Crow South,
and I used to say, well, if that was me,
I would have I would have done this, and that, well,
I may have, but I probably wouldn't be around to
fight in this in the way that God has me
fighting now. So we have to go even and think

(01:53:49):
beyond ourselves and just know that that you know, in
our government, for example, in our government system. I'm thankful
when people, you know, get all up in a tizzy.
I said, I'm thankful. Now, I know this has been,
you know, been a conversation piece, but I'm thankful that
our the top leader of our country only has eight

(01:54:09):
years max. Now. I know there's been conversation about our
current president extending his his presidency, but I don't believe
that's going to happen. I don't. I just don't believe
those who are singing his praises right now really really
embrace who he is. I think it's it's transactional, and

(01:54:32):
it breaks my heart because some of that is even
coming from Christians who who somehow believe that that he
is the second coming of King Cyrus and all of
these other things I've heard from the faith community. But nevertheless,
we've got to continue to press into the truth that
that we win if we don't sing and give up all.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Right, twenty five away from the top Alguson, folks want
to talk to you, the Faith Brothers eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six qualms
calling from North Carolina. Kwame is online, one grand Rising, Kwame.
You are on with the Faith Brothers.

Speaker 13 (01:55:11):
Grand Rising call. Hello, Faith Brothers. I've heard you guys
speak numerous of times. Answer one question for me. If
you take two words out the Bible and what you're saying,
faith and believe, tell me what do you have.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
You have a historical record. You have a record of
that which defines that which cannot be seen, which is
the spiritual aspects which governs and undergird all things that

(01:55:47):
we see. The spiritual aspects of things deal with the
actual catalyst, what is behind it. We see the symptoms
of hatred, the symptoms of racism. We see the very
actions that are taking place as we are being detegrated

(01:56:11):
and set aside and oppressed. We have to know that
faith and belief itself upon itself. Without having faith and
belief in something that is credible, does no good. Let
me give you an example.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
I'll hold that example right there. Doctor Edmonds, were going
to step aside for a few moments. I'll let you
give the example on the other side, and kwameis got
to follow up. Stay with us as well. Family, you
two can join this conversation. Reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six and we want to take all your phone calls.

Speaker 5 (01:56:46):
Next now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks are staying with us on
this Wednesday morning. It's a hump day. That means we're
halfway through the work week. And I guess that doctor
j Evans and Pastor Cohen Manning and we're gonna call
from Kwame in North Carolina before we let doctor Evans
finish as a response that I just to remind you
come up later this morning, we speak with Babbla La Mumba.
Babba La Mumba is one of our grios. He works
out of Emoja House in Washington, d C. Always yes,

(01:57:39):
he thought provoking tomics for us to discuss, and he's
going to do so when he comes on later this morning.
Also tomorrow, Professor James Small will be here along with
Nubian Circle's brother Sidiki Cambone. It's gonna give us an
update on what's going on in Haiti and also a
DC activist, doctor Kai Passion, will jonas as well. So
if you are in Baltimore, make sure you raid us
a lot in tight on ten ten WLB or if
you're in the tmv RN ninety five point nine and

(01:58:01):
AM fourteen fifteen WL. All right, doctor Emiseon'll let you finish.
Responding to Kwami's question, I think his question was if
you take faith and belief out of the Bible, what's left?

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Yes, And I wanted to make sure that it came
across that faith and belief itself stems from having confidence,
and that which can affect change faith and belief by
itself is nothing. There has to be action. There has

(01:58:34):
to be an understanding of what is that which is stabilitating,
what is the catalyst, what is causing this? And once
that is identified, and there must be some sort of
plan to bring a resolution to that to make it better.
I was about to say, when it came to inequity

(01:58:58):
racial inequity in nineteen thirteen, it was a man named
Timothy Drew and changed his name to Noble Drew Ali
what he taught. He taught that blacks were originally from Morocco,
not Ethiopia as many scholars had said, and that they

(01:59:18):
had been enslaved by the Caucasian devil. He identified what
he came to a conclusion to believe, and what type
of action that was necessary to actually remedy the situation

(01:59:42):
after identifying what he felt was the actual enemy. So
Ali called for an overthrow of the tyranny of the
white culture. And after he died in nineteen nineteen that
was far Muhammad claimed to be Ali reincarnated and formed

(02:00:06):
the Nation of Islam in Detroit in nineteen thirty. There
was action, you see, behind this gruntulness, there was action
that came as a result of one realization of a
particular matter that has not stopped. We have to come
to a conclusion. As the guests prior to us coming

(02:00:32):
on was articulating his thoughts about the political system and position.
At this point, there has to be action. For so
long we have been placed in a position of non action,
but yet being the brunt of inequity, being the brand

(02:00:53):
of oppression, in the brand of actually separation from that
which should be equal ours, and there has to be
a all right, unifying thought of a position that would

(02:01:15):
be beneficial to those who are oppressed.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
All right, it's because we're racing the clock again, because
you've got some more folks. You got questions for you, Kwami.
Do you have a follow up?

Speaker 6 (02:01:27):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (02:01:27):
Is it easier to teach them is it easier to.

Speaker 13 (02:01:31):
Teach them to believe in word or believe in themselves.

Speaker 4 (02:01:36):
I think it's very difficult to have someone quami to
believe in themselves.

Speaker 14 (02:01:40):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:01:41):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:01:42):
The greatest challenge in life is discovering who you are.
The second greatest is being happy with what you're find
It's very difficult to teach a person to be happy
with themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
Gotcha? Thank alrighty uh? Fourteen away from the top. Let's
go to Washington, d C. Bertram's waiting for us. He's
online for Grand Rise in Bertram with the Faith Brothers.

Speaker 15 (02:02:11):
Thanks you for taking my call. I'm just wanting to
ask you and thank you for all the works as
you all do. I'm going to ask past their questions
because black people in the church now are frustrated as
older black people. One of the things I heard you
say and to send the.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
Bible, Jesus said always said, we're going to have the
We're going to have.

Speaker 15 (02:02:32):
All of these challenges that we are having today. But
my questions to is can the church organize better? Pastor
can we organize better to solve their problems. I look
at what the the white churches doing. They have what's

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called metas here, not all of them, a certain branch
where they ensure medically their clientele, their membership, and they
taste significantly. You know'll go one eight hundred Bible. That's
the that's the information you find out about it. But

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the point is they benefit like the original church did
benefit everybody. The church today does not benefit everybody at
the Black Church. And that's shameful because yes, we have
the problems we have popy, et cetera. But the people
out who right now, I'm out working, but pastors.

Speaker 8 (02:03:38):
You guys have more time.

Speaker 15 (02:03:40):
We if we could get together with petroleum contes, Grass
Stations says, you guys could say, hey, I got a
thousand members, I got five hundred members. It will perpetuate
you guys give us a discount. Oh, I'm saying that
the church is not benefiting the I've reached Black family.

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You're all gonna have to come up with a way
like the original church did.

Speaker 4 (02:04:07):
That's what they did.

Speaker 15 (02:04:08):
All things in common. Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 10 (02:04:13):
Yeah, that's a that's a great question. I think he
laid it out excellently and you're absolutely right, brother Bertram.
When I'm not on this wonderful program, I spent a
lot of my time trying to pastor pastors and help

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from a pastoral level, help pastors understand our role in
the community and in society. I've been blessed to have
had significant great mentors in my life who modeled this
for me. But you're absolutely right. Yes, the answer is yes,
the church can and has to organize better that we

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have the ability the potential to leverage. One of our
greatest ads sets are our people. You know, the church
is the longest standing volunteer system organization and in in
history as far as I'm concerned, because we've always been here,
we've always been around. But we've got to leverage all

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of these things for the people and not for personal gain.
That's one of the areas that has sent us in
a misdirected our purpose because people many times see as
a pastor. You know, one of the first conversations, especially
living out in southern California, when you tell somebody your
pastor that's not very impressive. Many people don't even know

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what that means. But then others have examples of the
The first thing they recall and is an example of
a pastor that wasn't right, that had scandaled that that
took the money from the people and and ran off
things like that. So I believe in holding that standard

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to leadership above we have to be above reproach. But
then we've got to get our roll up our sleeves
and get in there with the people. The other thing
that I think that hinders us from collectively coming together
is this whole hierarchy. And you know where we exalt.

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We had an olde him that says, don't exalt the preacher,
don't exalt the pew. Lift the savior up for men
to see. He said, if I be lifted up from
the earth, I'll draw all men unto me. I think
we've got to stop exalting pastors in a way that
takes away from our ability to leave people and to
be seen as human. But you're absolutely right. I wrote

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it down one eight hundred Bible. I'm gonna look into it.
I've been talking to, for example, and insurance agents that
I've met during these fires, because I asked him a
question about, you know, how can we make sure that
every member in our church has life insurance and has
you know, so a lot of that is education, because

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when it comes to church folk a lot of time
when they when they die, they don't leave anything as
far as legacy, but then they don't even have enough
to take care of their own funeral and burial services
and things like that. It shouldn't be because, as you
said in Acts chapter two, when the early Church was
birthed in Acts chapter two, the Bible says, near the

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end of that chapter they had everything in common. There
was this system where they begin to submit to the
apostles teaching, they continued in prayer, they kept coming together,
but they also took care of each other's needs. We
have to identify those needs. We need to do that
in a more organized way. We have to have a

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vehicle for communicating those needs to one another. Not only
the needs, but the assets. Because once you lift up
a need in church, you know other people will say
I've got the same need, and then they're in line
as well. If you're gonna pray for this person or
give this person something. But when you have an overflow,

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you have to also say, hey, I've got more than
enough right now I want to give to someone who
doesn't have. So there has to be that exchange. It's
not just the needs, but also what you know everybody
made sure that everybody had what they need, but a
lot of times that was based off of others having
more than enough and expressing that I just mentioned in

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the service a few weeks ago, someone said, Pastor, I
really need a car, and I said, we have to.
You know, does anybody someone stood up, you know, within
a few minutes and says, I've got a car, I've
got an extra car, I've got a car for this person.
So if I hadn't said that and identified that need,
it probably wouldn't have been met. But how much more

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does that?

Speaker 6 (02:08:55):
Is that?

Speaker 10 (02:08:55):
All around us? So I agree with you, brother bertrand
I can't. I can't just grill on any of those points.
And I'm doing my best, and I think hopefully this
this broadcast will help others who are listening understand that
we need each other, especially in the church. We've got
to do better.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
So thank you all Right, shoving away from the top,
let's go across the ocean to the Gambia listening to
us in Africa, Grand Rising Faith Brothers, Grand Rising Brothers.

Speaker 14 (02:09:26):
I wanted to ask a question A young man called
earlier and he was asking you about how you can
instill a uh where young people value themselves and can can.

Speaker 15 (02:09:44):
Look more inward.

Speaker 14 (02:09:48):
In their development. And you said that it was a
very difficult thing to teach young people to value themselves.

Speaker 4 (02:10:02):
Is that correct?

Speaker 14 (02:10:03):
Did I hear you correctly?

Speaker 4 (02:10:06):
It's a very difficult thing to bring about change. To
have an understanding that an individual must seek that within themselves.
That's difficult to teach someone to do. You can give
an individual the tools, but to actually act on that,

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it's a very difficult thing. They would have to do
that themselves. So change is not change until you change
the same thing about one having confidence in themselves as
to feeling worthy, that is an inner process. We can
only give inspiring words because inner peace begins the moment

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you choose not to allow another person. Boy, do you
get to control your emotions? We cannot effectuate that in
another person. That is something that they have to do,
but we can give them tools to effectuate change.

Speaker 14 (02:11:15):
Yes, absolutely, Okay, I grew up in the church, and
I don't mean no disrespect with my question that I'm
getting ready proposed to you. Do you think that the
way that we have been taught religiously, the biblical stories,

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et cetera, et cetera, has led us away from ourselves
that we have not been taught that the presence and
power of God is within us. When we read the
prayer in Matthew's where we say our Father, that means

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that we were more different than the Jesus that we've
learned so many stories about over the years. And I
just wonder what is it that doesn't allow you, as
a pastor minister to teach that to your parishioners. And

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I think maybe if we did, we would have better results,
that we would appreciate one another more because we are
the children of the Most High. And I just wanted
to hear what you thought and do you feel personally
that you have that indwelling presence and power of the

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Most High?

Speaker 4 (02:12:42):
With then you all right?

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
And Pastor doctor Edmonds, before you respond, we got to
take a short break here. I'll let you respond on
the other side. Just outwa what time is it in Gambia? Love,
what time is it in Gambier?

Speaker 6 (02:12:56):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
It is one o'clock aftern And okay, thank you and
thank you for listening for us in Africa. Family. Three
minutes away from the top of the Doctor Edmonds a
response to Sister Adwall's question and when you get back
and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 5 (02:13:10):
Next you're facing with the most Awesomemis the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most awesomess yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:13:45):
Thanks grund Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on
this Wednesday morning. I guess that the faith brothers. And
right now we just got a call from the Gambia
and before I let Dr Edmunds respond to that, just
remind you bab La Mumbas on deck or get to
him momentarily. So Doctor Edmans if you can, and showing
up the response to sister add us question at the
Gambia Africa, They're appreciated.

Speaker 4 (02:14:05):
Oh, absolutely, Yes, it is being taught and it should
be taught that God's spirit is within us. The word
spirit is numa means breadth, live and when God created
us and his likeness and in his image. But then

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also we have to understand that there is a contrary
spirit as well that is not of God. And that
spirit and the source of that spirit is from the
wicked one, and he's seeking to take that which has
been given by God from us and we have to

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be aware of that. We have to be taught about
that entity. Not knowing about that entity and not knowing
or leaving that that entity exists makes us very vulnerable,
regardless of how much of that breadth livn win.

Speaker 3 (02:15:07):
God.

Speaker 1 (02:15:09):
That's not because I want to get one more call
for your real Rick's calling from northeast DC. Rick, can
you make your question quick for the Brothers.

Speaker 7 (02:15:17):
The best I can grand Rising Kevin call and the
Faith Brothers quickly. First, I wanted to just make a
quick comment. I think it was past the Manning mentioned
that he doesn't believe that Trump will be able to
run again. I'm not sure that his followers feel that.
I was at a baseball game and I see this

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guy all the time. He sits behind home plate. He's
a maggid guy. But Yesterday's and you know, you see
him on camera because he's sitting right behind home plate,
and he broke out the Trump twenty twenty eight hat.
And I've seen Steve Bannon on TV talking about how
you know they're gonna find a way to have Trump
run again. So I'm not sure. But that leads to

(02:16:00):
my next question. Is with the recent ruling about the
allowing religious leaders to speak politically at the pulpit or court,
you know, using the bully pulpit as I say, uh,
and still being able to keep your five h one
three taxes them status. What do you feel do you

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agree with that ruling?

Speaker 6 (02:16:23):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (02:16:24):
In both of the faith, Brotherston, and if you do
agree with the ruling, will you be using your h
literal bully pulpit to fight against this evil that we
have going on here in America. I think the religious
leaders are very very much needed today for that type
of thing, from the Nation of Islam to Christianity to

(02:16:46):
any of the religious leaders. So anyway, answering my question,
please if you could about the new ruling about being
able to speak politically and even endorsing candidates while you
are in the pulpit, thank you, and our listen thank well.

Speaker 10 (02:17:01):
I personally believe that we have always found a way
to speak truth, speak the truth to power, whether we've
just had to be creative before this ruling. But the
ruling doesn't change anything for me as far as speaking
the truth endorsing candidates. I'm always a little apprehensive to

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do that. And even when candidates come and they want
to sit in church the week before their election, I'm
very apprehensive because I don't want to expose our people
without having them due diligence to vet someone they would
vote for and then pray about it and vote their
conscious But I do think it's good that we're able

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to do that without the concern of the compromise or
giving up our tax exempt status. But I've always spoken
the truth and I've always challenged those things. We have
a greater mandate as far as I'm concerned, to do
with Proverbs thirty one, eight and nine that speak up
for those who can't speak for themselves and ensure that

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they get justice. And as long as there's injustice, I
believe that the church, and especially on the pastoral level,
we have a mandate to speak the truth in those spaces,
even if it cost our lives.

Speaker 4 (02:18:23):
Well before we end, I think, you know, the the
liberty is there. I think it was a horrible to
integrate political positions with spiritual platforms. It's just another opportunity

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for propaganda and bias propaganda. At that the church and
the rendering of the Gospel should be just that. As
Jesus said, you render to Caesar what is due to Caesar,
and you render to God what is due to God.

(02:19:12):
You don't conflate.

Speaker 3 (02:19:14):
The two.

Speaker 4 (02:19:15):
But I think it is a strategy.

Speaker 8 (02:19:19):
What is going to be.

Speaker 4 (02:19:22):
Coming forward with a great deal of bias, and it's
going to be set forward as a campaign tool, and
we have to be very careful about that. I don't
think one should enter that overlap rather.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
With the other. All right, listen, we got baby lamb
on deck, ready to go forward. Lets you fell us
go though past a mounting. How can people reach you?
They've got more questions?

Speaker 10 (02:19:56):
Yes or what's that? As Pasadena Church dot com. I
can be reached at Pastor Kerwin K E. R W
I N at Pasadena Church dot com. We're on Facebook
and YouTube as well. You can watch and follow us there.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
And Doctor Edmunds.

Speaker 4 (02:20:13):
My email is the Edmunds Group lobo at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:20:19):
Well, thank you again and thank you for all the
information you shared with us this morning. Both thank you.

Speaker 10 (02:20:24):
Brother all right Edmunds?

Speaker 1 (02:20:29):
Alrighty, I'm Pastor Kurwen Manning. Eight after the top of
the hour. Baba La Mumba's on deck. Baba La Mumba,
Grand rising brother, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 16 (02:20:37):
Rising Brother Carl Uh glad to be.

Speaker 1 (02:20:40):
Back, and Brother Lamumba works out of Mojor House in Washington,
d C. The Council of Elders. They they have these
discussions and then he brings them to the radio. So
we take them up from here. And as you know,
the brothers in the barber shop, they listen in the
morning and they continue these discussions in the afternoon or
all day long in summer. Barbis. I mean, you know you, Bob,

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you know who you are. But one of the things
that Baba Lamumba wants to discuss this morning, what is
freedom for the sons and daughters of the slave trade?
So it is a metaphorical is a what is freedom
from the for the sons and the daughters of the
slave favor? How do you how do you find that?

Speaker 16 (02:21:21):
I think it's an important unresolved question. We use the term,
but we we we define it differently.

Speaker 15 (02:21:30):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (02:21:30):
And this is a problem. It's always been a problem,
and we've always not recognized it as a problem. Well
why it was, because if that's our goal to be free,
what are we how are we defining that freedom? What?
What does it mean to be a free people? Free
from what?

Speaker 3 (02:21:48):
You know?

Speaker 16 (02:21:49):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:21:52):
You know?

Speaker 16 (02:21:53):
And there's two versions actually that that don't get set asized,
don't get connected, and don't There is sort of the
doctor King version, which is successful assimilation into this society
is freedom. And then there is the alternative view, the

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sort of Malcolm X view, or interesting enough, it ends
up being the wbb B Deboce's view, that is focusing
on the development of people. In other words, to be
a free people is to be a strong people. Be
so strong that others cannot other groups of human beings
cannot impose their will on you. So those are really

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the two fundamental definitions of freedom that go unresolved. And
what's happening is that, of course the so called civil
rights movement is focused on the assimilation goal, the whole
successful assimilation. But there's a problem that's that's is important.
In other words, the thing is either not either or propositions.

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These are not We don't we here live in the society.
So we have to make living in a society as
comfortable as we can. We cannot accept the overt kind
of discrimination and abuse that we have always gotten in
this society, slavery and you know, the actually murdering, the

(02:23:22):
hanging of black people and refusing to let you shop
at a place we have to kind of overt discrimination,
which is totally unacceptable. That has to be fought against
the kind of things that King focused on, uh, which
the whole question is similar. So we we do need
that is no, don't say we don't, because we have
to absolutely do. We can't abandon the notion that addressing

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our comfort and our ability to live in this society
is not important because that's where we are, So that's
where we have to We have to actually make that
as as positive as possis the book. But on the
other hand, we can't make that the sole focus of
what it is we want to achieve. We ultimately have

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to achieve the strengthening of black people as our goal,
the development of our people. We have to have our
own We have to be in control of ourselves because
when you ask ourselves the fundamental question, what is the
transgression that we're trying to address. Well, the transgression is
that we were stripped of our culture, we were stolen

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from the continent of Africa, from our way of life
and forced to serve another people. That's the transgression, that's
the problem. The problem is that we have to address that.
If we really have a movement with integrity. It addresses
that issue. We cannot define our identity as starting after

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our captivity, after our sustigation. That's ridiculous, but it's what
many of us do. Many of us try to develop
an identity, present an identity that is essentially confined to
our experiences active. We were subjugated by our oppressor. But

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to be a real freedom movement, we have to address
that subjugation. We have to address that fundamental problem. There's
no such thing as a movement freedom movement with integrity
that does not address the issue. There was a fundamental
issue of us being stolen, us being robbed of our
culture and our identity, robbed of our base, robbed of

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our African connection. It's impossible. I don't care how many
people try to say that that's our identity begins with
you know, how we are treated by white people in
this society. No, our identity begins with our what we

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were prior to our subjugation. That is fundamental issue. It's
a fundamental issue. And it's interesting when you look at
do voice, because the voice is usually put into the
civil rights category. He's usually considered itself, but in reality
he really wasn't the voice was a person who focused
on development of black people. Is obvious when he moved

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to Africa that he had become even more of a
garvy Heite, because the father, if you will, of our
development issues, our independent issue, is Marcus Garvey. Marcus Garvey,
probably more than any other single black person, actually created
a movement based on strengthening black people and using Africa

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and African ways of life as a fundamental goal for
us to be returned to Africa, become re africanize ourselves.
So Garvey becomes the fundamental framework movement. He's really the
most important person in terms of that development. When you

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think of people like Malcolm X, well, you know, Malcolm
X's father and mother were garvey Ees, so Garby And
that's also where we come up with the notion of
black August. I don't know people have heard the turn
black August, but we give August a special recognition and
as an important month franchising. One of the major reasons

(02:27:28):
we do that is because Garvey's birthday is on the
seventeenth of August. Also, the Nat Turner's Revolt occurred in August. Also,
many many, many black people, interesting enough, were burned in
August Lewis Armstrong, James Baldwin, Alice Coltrane, Charlie Parker. All

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of these people were born in August. So we give
August a special recognition. We call it Black August, and
this is Black August. We're in the month of August,
and we're during that month we celebrate a focus on
the development of black people and people who contributed to
that development, with which a large number of them were

(02:28:14):
actually born in August. So, you know, we have to
define on me better than that term because essentially, to
define our movement as being successful assimilation means that we
define our movement as essentially going out of existence as
a people. Successful assimilation means that there's no distinction between

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you and other people in this society. You are essentially
melt into. So we you know, that doesn't make sense
to define our goal as essentially melting into disappearing. We
must have been focused on the question of our own
development if we really care if our movement has any integrity.

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We cannot have movement with integrity unless we connect ourselves
to what we were prior to our subjugation. That means Africa,
That means understanding what it means to be an African.
That means returning to some degree to what it means
to be an African. If you define yourself simply as

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an American, then you define yourself as somebody, as a
group of people who desire not to be a group
of people, not to assimilate yourself out of existence, which
makes no real sense. So we have to deal with that.
And this issue crops up over and over again. We
see it in Snicks. If we look at Snicks to development,

(02:29:41):
we see, for example, the fight Stokely had with John
Lewis in nineteen sixty five when he became the chairman
of Snick. In nineteen sixty sixty five, also Nick decided
to expel all the white people in Snick. People don't
know that this, and they're not even admitting it at
this point, but that was the issue. And they didn't

(02:30:04):
put them out because they they put them out because
they wanted white people to realize that they can't be
leaders in the black community.

Speaker 1 (02:30:12):
And we're left right there, babblam. But we've got a
step aside for a few minutes moments. When we come back,
I'll at you finish your thought and also tell us
what is freedom? Is freedom different from a Clarence Thomas.
It's freedom different from a call Im Powell than the
rest of us. I'll let you explain that when we
get back and when we take a phone calls for
your next.

Speaker 5 (02:30:32):

Speaker 1 (02:30:56):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for sticking with us on
this Wednesday morning. It's a hump day, means we're halfway
through the work week with our guess, Babla La Mumba.
Pabula Mumba works out of a moja house in Washington, DC,
counts of elders. They have these discussions. They come on
the radio and help us try to flesh it out
because they've already talked about it. And this morning we're
talking about freedom. What is freedom for the sons and
daughters of the slave trade? And before we left the break,

(02:31:17):
my question for Babla Woomba was is freedom different say,
from you know, a Calling Pouell and the clowns Thomas.
They look at their freedom different from most of us.
So I'll let you finish your thought first, Baba, and
then you can address that question.

Speaker 16 (02:31:31):
Well, you know, I just assume address that because it
involves it's at the core of what it is that
we're talking about here a matter of perspective. Yeah, their
perspective is different. A Colon Powell was ever a Clarence Thomas,
or for that matter, of Barack Obama, or you know,
those people who are committed to being in the system,

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a part of the system, supporting the system.

Speaker 4 (02:32:00):
Of the system.

Speaker 16 (02:32:01):
If you will believe that that's freedom. Freedom is very individualistic.
It is black people disassociating themselves with other black people
per se and connecting themselves to the interest and the
framework of the society in which they happened to live

(02:32:22):
in which they happened to have been captured by, subjugated by.
So their fundamental frame of reference is different than than
for example, it is the early frame of reference of
Martin Luther King. I say the early frame of reference
because Martin Luther King at some point realized, as he
was quoted as saying, that he is asking himself the question,

(02:32:47):
was he leading his people into a burning house? Well,
as if he were still alive, he would realize that
that's a fundamental question. The house is burning. Donald Trump
indicates that the house is burning, and that is and
that we're in it. When they look at climate change
and then it indicates clearly that the house is burning
and we're in it, and they're not doing anything about it.

(02:33:09):
They're committed to a frame of reference in terms of
our relationship to nature that is self destructive in the
long run, that will destroy themselves and everybody else. So yes,
to answer doctor King's question at the time, was he
leading his people into a burning house? And the answer

(02:33:30):
is yes, that's what he was. Exactly what he was doing,
even though what he was doing was important. Now let
me not, let me be very clear to you, what
doctor King was doing and did was extremely important. The humiliation,
the subjugation, the discrimination that we faced when we couldn't
even go into a store or we couldn't eat at

(02:33:52):
a restaurant encounter, and when we couldn't that was unacceptable,
and that his attack on that was probably very effective
and we don't we're not subject to that humiliation anymore
because of him. So let me not say that doctor
King was wrong. In fact, doctor King ultimately asked the
fundamental question before for his life was taken by society,

(02:34:13):
is this is the house that we are integrating into
a burning house? And the answer clearly is yes, it
is a burning house. But when you look at the
alternative to that, which is what Malcolm x diod for,
which is what Garvey's do it for the focus on
our independence, we needed both, but our focus needed to

(02:34:34):
be on our self development. We needed to have a
focus that said Africa. We are Africans, and we have
to have an identity that is based being African. Our
identity precede, preceded our captivity, our subjugation. Without that frame
of reference, then we are allowing our oppressor to have

(02:34:57):
created us, which means that we will forever, forever consider
ourselves inferior, which gets at the heart of our problem.
We see ourselves as being inferior. The minute that our
only alternative is subject is joining and having him accept us,
then we have essentially developed an approach to life which

(02:35:18):
says he's superior to us. And that is not something
that a people can't afford to do and should do.
But that is the situation which we find ourselves in,
and we see this over and over again. We see,
for example, the development of the Black Panther Party, which
is something I'm I'm directly aware of because I was

(02:35:39):
involved early on in Oaklham with that The original slogan
of the Black Panther Party was Black power. It wasn't
power to the people. When Ewing and Bobby decided that
they were going to break away from that the original
Black Panther Party, they created the Black Fan and Part

(02:36:00):
of her Self Defense, which everybody thinks now that was
the sole Black Panther Party, their slogan became power to
the people. In other words, they went from power to
the Black power being the slogan to power to the people,
which means everybody, you know, power to everybody, which is
about as as as really ridiculous as it could be.

(02:36:24):
Everybody is not going to have the equal powers. That's
not that's not in the cars or anybody. So we
see this this dilemma. We see this dilemma over and
over again in our community. We see us breaking up
between those people who wish to focus on our own
development versus those people who wish to focus on simply

(02:36:44):
assimilation into this society, both of which are valid. But
the emphasis must be placed on our own development, our
own fortune, our own identity, and the only way we
can do that is to find free them as being
our development, our independence, our strength as a people, which

(02:37:06):
is which is a posture that Black nationalists, Pan African
nationalists take UH. And you know, we need to talk
about that more. We need to actually people need to
come to grips with that, with the reality that if
you talk about our goal, which is what we call freedom,
is our goal, we have to define that freedom as

(02:37:27):
terms of us being a stronger UH people able to
defend ourselves against those people who would impose their interest
on us. Because that's about that's essentially what it is.
And almost even the Chinese, for example, who who don't
oppress us in a way that the Europeans oppressed us.

(02:37:48):
They don't come in and colonize us. They also want
our raw materials that are in Africa, so they create,
they loan us money, which further in debts us and
it allows them to get the raw materials that they
need to develop theirselves as a people. They don't try
to encourage us to take those raw materials and use

(02:38:11):
it them ourselves and develop ourselves as the people. They
encourage us to take those raw materials and sell it
to them at a price, thinking if they want to pay.
That is also a form of oppression. It's not as severe,
it's not as overt as the oppression of colonialism, but
it is It is them acting in their own interest

(02:38:32):
and we fail as a people to act in our
own interest. And only way we can act in our
own interests is to essentially develop a focus that says
or definition of our goal, which says, our goal is
to develop and strengthen our own people independence, development, not assimilation.
Our goal isn't to become them. Our goal is to

(02:38:55):
strengthen ourselves. And that's the bottom line of what we have.
And that's we haven't a there yet. We haven't come
to grips with that yet. You haven't actually faced up
to the reality that we Our goal has to be
our own development. Our goal cannot be our total assimilation
into other people's society, other people's identity, other people's fame

(02:39:16):
of reference, other people's history. To do that is to
continue our own subjugation.

Speaker 1 (02:39:23):
Yeah, hold on thar, I'm glad you addressed that because
somebody calling it the studio wanted to know what do
Pan Africans do to assist in African American freedom? And
I just gave him the answer. Pan Africans, you got
Malcolm X, you got Kwame Terrae, non Pan Africans got
Clarence Thomas, you got Calling Powell. That's your answer. So
those of you who were struggling about that, that's the answer.

(02:39:46):
I just thought he humorous. But if you want more
of that, to call tomorrow Atfessor Small will be. He'll
define it for you. If you're struggling with the understanding
about Pan African is anyway, We've got some folks who
want to talk to you. Babby la Mumba. Bob's calling
from Buffalo. He's online one grind rising. Bob, you're with
Baba la Mumba.

Speaker 6 (02:40:03):
Yes, sir, blessed love Baba, thank you for asking that question.
It's a very important question. It's a very significant question.
When I heard that question, a couple of things came
to mind. The first thing came to mind was a
song by the Dells called Freedom Means, and they said
freedom means being able to say what's on your mind,

(02:40:23):
to speak right out and talk about things that you
know should be better. That's one thing. The other thing
that came to mind was doctor Karinga, who said that
we must be a free, proud and productive people. Another
thing that came to mind is a story that someone
said that if you leave your house in the morning
and you don't know where you're going, how do you

(02:40:43):
know when you get there? So you know, it's a
question that I think we have to answer. And if
you might want to look at it dialectically, you look
at what opposition you have, what is keeping you from
being who you are, and then you can define freedom
for a person who was in chains and working the

(02:41:04):
plantation getting off, getting out of those chains and being
getting off that plantation with freedom. But if we're still
under the jurisdiction of the plantation owner, if we're still
under the jurisdiction, under the laws and under the dictates
of the same people who did all the wrongs to us,
that is not freedom. That's why we still find ourselves

(02:41:26):
here calling ourselves a free people, saying.

Speaker 1 (02:41:30):
That putting a question from so Baba lah Mahma can
respond no.

Speaker 6 (02:41:36):
Okay, I'm not sure if I have a question. I'm
congratulating him on asking the question. And I think that
we have to define it basically. Being a free problem
productive people, and people have to answer that question, ask
that question and answer that question for themselves, and we
as a people need to ask that answer that So

(02:41:56):
how can we as okay question, how can we as
a people unite? Excuse me, unite for me Umoja means unity,
means are joined act. How can we come together and
do the access necessary to become a free, proud and
productive people. How can we self define and become and

(02:42:17):
answer that question for ourselves as a people? We as
a people? Thank you brother for asking the question. I
think it's a very significant and important question.

Speaker 1 (02:42:26):
All right, thanks Bob Baba la Momba.

Speaker 15 (02:42:30):
Yes, well, I.

Speaker 16 (02:42:33):
Agree with everything the brother said, and I think that
that's a very very, very very important question. But it's
a fundamental issue that we seem to avoid, that we
rapple with. But you know, there there have been We're moving.
It's interesting because black people are moving the direction of
understanding that for example, I mentioned Kwanza Kwanda really is

(02:42:54):
an attempt to connect us with a set of values
that are African based prior to our subjugation based and
centenize them in a form that we can make use of.
So we you know, we see it all the time.
We see black people returning to Africa. Large numbers of
black people have returned to Africa and are becoming citizens

(02:43:19):
in Africa. That's happening all over the place. We see
black people using symbols that are connected to Africa. We
see them the genyam, which is part of the dangerous
symbols except for being used. We see natural hair. I know,
I went to Howard and I was up there maybe
a year or so ago at a forum, and I

(02:43:42):
noticed that most of the women I saw out there
had natural hairs. I remember when Robin Gregory became the
first Queen Homecoming Queen of Howard, and I was an
auditorium at the time, and I remember the whole audience
when she when they introduced her and you showed her
with this big, beautiful butcher on her head. The audience
just applauded and started marching around the stadium out the door,

(02:44:06):
singing umgau or black power, which was which was their expression.
So we we kind of understand the power of Africa.
We understand the power of being ourselves. We fight against
it because sometimes it's difficult for us to do that,
you know. But I think when I was up on
campus a year or so ago, and I noticed that

(02:44:26):
most women had some form of natural hair. There were
not most women when I went to school there, most
of these women's hair were and there was very rarely
that you saw in natural back in sixty six, sixty
seven and sixty you know, that was just just a
rare thing. So we are moving in that direction, but
we're doing it almost subconsciously. We're doing it without an

(02:44:50):
overt recognition of what it is that we're doing.

Speaker 7 (02:44:53):
We know that we have to be.

Speaker 16 (02:44:55):
Ourselves in order to focus on the development of ourselves.
We actually know that instinctively, we're afraid of it. Uh
and and some of us are so caught up in
white values that you know, we think that being a
Barack Obama or becoming president of the United States, are
becoming a congressman or becoming this and that the other

(02:45:16):
within the system, supporting the system. And so it's the
movement towards our own recognition, our own goals, our own
frame of reference that we are moving towards unconsciously. That
has to become more conscious amongst more people. So it's
it's kind of like an issue become taking something that
is subconsciously understood and making it overtly consciously adhere to

(02:45:42):
and practice by as more people than we are now.
So those are subtle differences, but the reality is that
we in our in our hearts, we know and understand
that being ourselves, we're trying to understand what that means,
what does it mean to be an African? When we
are slowly answering that was questions. We have more religious

(02:46:04):
for example, our Africans, so we're more people who are
cons more people who are europe Us, more people who
are placing themselves directly in religious context. Being an African person,
we're more concerned about building communities based on our values,
not on the dominant society's values. We're less concerned about

(02:46:27):
being capitalist, of being imperialist or being you know, rich people,
than we are being a free people, being a people
who understand themselves. So the movement is occurring, it just
has to go from the level of being unconscious to
a level of being more conscious of what it is

(02:46:49):
that we're doing. We are re affricanizing ourselves, and until
we reaffroganize ourselves and put ourselves in perspectives, we can't
legitimately create a freedom movement because freedom must be in
the direction of our self development. It must be in
a direction of uniting our people all over the world.
It must be in a direction of appreciating and loving ourselves.

(02:47:12):
Our concern isn't so much what other people do against us.
It's our concern and our focus has to be what
we are able to do with each other. In other words,
unity has to be focused on what we do with
and our client to do and want to do. Our
own love of our own people, our own love of
our own identity, our own understanding of that identity, our

(02:47:35):
own practice of that identity.

Speaker 1 (02:47:37):
I know all that thought out there, Babbloom, but I'll
let you finish your thought when we get back. We
take our last break. Also, brother Abdulla and Baltimore. Once
you speak with you as well, family, you two can
join our conversation with Babbelo Bumba, a gree works out
of Emoja House in Washington, DC. Reach out to us
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take all your phone calls. Next.

Speaker 5 (02:48:01):

Speaker 1 (02:48:24):
And Grand Rising family actually sticking with us all Wednesday
morning on this hump day is halfway through the work week.
After this, it's downhill all the way. I guess it's
Baba la Mamma from the moja house. He works out
there with a moja house with one of our grills,
uh circle of elders, and they have these discussions. Then
we come on the radio and talk about them. And
I heard from one of our barber shops, Clippers barber

(02:48:46):
shop in Maritta in Connecticut. That's where that's where apprentice
is holding ford and this I not this is one
They to talk about this evening too, when or as
soon as the barber shop opens. But anyway, Uh, Bablon,
why don't you finish your thought? When you finish though,
Brother abdul and Baltimore has a question for you.

Speaker 16 (02:49:04):
Well, let's hear the brother's question. I find myself sort
of repeating myself again, so all rights to ask.

Speaker 1 (02:49:13):
All right, Brother Abdulla in Baltimore online too, grind Rising,
you're on with Baba la Mumba grind Rising.

Speaker 8 (02:49:19):
Thank you so much, Babbla la Muma. Thank you for
being you. Brother. I cannot presume to teach you anything
or offer any suggestions that can add to or more
articulately express the other views that you've put forth this morning.
I have two comments and I want to get your
your response on the value of these two suggestions that

(02:49:42):
that individuals can do to both experience a little bit
of freedom as well as participate in that process by
which we can all become free. The first one, for me,
there was nothing that was more pivotal that I can
say in my life that helped me to feel the
next day after having done it, feel free, and that

(02:50:04):
was when I changed my name. I believe that everybody
should throw off the name of their former slave masters.
That next day was much more eye opening, and I
even imagined when I got the court order, and I'm
talking about doing it legally. It was just like an
eye opening experience and for the first step, for the
first time, I felt as if I'd taken a significant

(02:50:26):
step toward freedom. And I'd like to get your views
on the significance of the names that we carry. The
second comment is that as one who's lived in Africa
for thirteen years and I now live and work in Africa,
I would like to suggest this phrase with regard to
what's happening now with the current back to Africa movement.

(02:50:48):
Our office in a crowd Ghanna is less than fifty
feet away from web To to du Bois's tomb. It's
located inside the WB du Bois Center. We have said
that founders like Garvey and du Bois always champion a
back to Africa movement, but we believe now, having lived there,

(02:51:09):
done that and are currently doing that, we believe now
that Africa doesn't need a back to Africa movement as
much as it needs a back and forth to Africa movement.
We realize now if you just go there and sit
with the Africans, you're in the same boat with them.
But if you have one foot on the developed world
and one in Africa, then you're much more of an

(02:51:30):
asset to your people. So i'd like the first first
question is how much of significance do you attach to
the changing of the name to the towards taking on
the identity that we would like to have in terms
of filling free. And then the second with regard to
this back and forth to Africa movement in terms of
the phrase that I think that we should label where

(02:51:50):
we are now in our African development, and with regard
to the process of uplifting Africa and then so doing
uplifting ourselves.

Speaker 4 (02:52:01):
Well, let me congratulate your brother.

Speaker 16 (02:52:03):
You obviously are a thinker. You've given some real thoughts issues,
and it's very impressive. But let me just start with
the name issue. I think that, you know, it really
isn't either or. I think people should have an African name,
but also the name that they were given by their

(02:52:24):
parents has still significance. It has a history, it has
a background, it connects them with their relatives, et cetera.
So I'm not for abandoning I'm not for either or
ing that for acquiring an African name and using it,
but also maintaining your your connection to your own your
own family. Uh so you know, use both of them,

(02:52:47):
have both of them. It's an issue that comes up.
So I think it has great value because it's part
of that transitional period, that transitional efforts that we have
to make. It can be an important bridge. But I
don't think it's an either or proposition.

Speaker 15 (02:53:03):
I go for both.

Speaker 16 (02:53:05):
And you know that is to say, you know, do
not sever your connection to your relatives, but at the
same time, grab on to your new identity that has
historical significance an African name. So I don't consider or proposition.
But and the other the other issue that you raise,

(02:53:28):
I think is exactly acrily. I think that we can
I think that it's not necessarily important to move to Africa,
but it is important to connect to Africa. So I
would agree with you that back and forth. The aide
is what you can get from here and give to
Africa is probably more valuable to Africans and our future

(02:53:49):
than you simply moving to Africa living there completely. So
I agree with you one hundred percent actually, and I
think those issues are extremely important. And I want to
compliment you on being able to ask to ask those questions.
Those are fantastic. Those shows you to be a thinker,
It shows you to be a brother who's thinking about
these things and asking those questions. But the way I

(02:54:11):
would come down is that you know, the name thing
is not either or. I think it's both. And if
you want and the move thing is, I think you're
absolutely correct. I think we can be of great service
to our people if we are able to take what
we can get from here and make them available to

(02:54:32):
the continent. It was probably more productive and more useful
to us. So I would agree with that. That's essentially
the way I see it. Thank you for the.

Speaker 8 (02:54:43):
Question, Thank you very much, Thank you very much for
your response on and as it just plans out. You
hit the nail exactly on the head in terms of
how it practically unfolded with me. I also got dual
citizenship in Ghana in twenty nineteen, and my gun in
sport says my former slave name, and my American passport

(02:55:05):
says says my new name. So what I found myself
insistent upon is that America called me by what I
wanted to be called by and that Ghana knows me
by where I've come from. So that so that they
so that they recognized me for for both of my
both of my traits and my history.

Speaker 16 (02:55:23):
Thank you very much, because I already congratulate that brother
on On on the processes he went to to arrive
to where he is, because I think it's very valid
and very admirable.

Speaker 1 (02:55:34):
So yeah, and it is a journey for the folks
who listening out there, It is a journey. As you mentioned,
Babylon wach is something you think of frush and then
and then he because I know many people think about
doing that, changing the name, moving to Africa, but they
don't go past the thinking process. So again I'm joining
with you and congratulating brother Abdula for doing.

Speaker 16 (02:55:55):
That right, very very impressive questions eight development, very impressive.

Speaker 1 (02:56:03):
Yes, sir, eight hundred four or five. She os seventy
eight seventy six Sundras in Baltimore. She says she has
a question for you, Babla La Mumba. She's online three
rising with Baba La Mumba.

Speaker 11 (02:56:13):
Grant rights and to everyone.

Speaker 14 (02:56:16):
My question is this.

Speaker 11 (02:56:18):
I like to ask you a question. Are you familiar
with doctor Jumar Johnson?

Speaker 16 (02:56:22):
Yes, certainly. What do you think of.

Speaker 4 (02:56:27):
Well?

Speaker 16 (02:56:28):
I don't get into the personal, you know, I can't.
I mean, he's a brother who is putting South out there.
He's trying to start a school. I don't know how well.

Speaker 7 (02:56:39):
He's done in terms of that development.

Speaker 16 (02:56:42):
You hear a lot from him. I don't pass judgment
on people like that. I mean, I'm not sure to
what extent his goal of careaging a school for brothers,
young brothers, et cetera is is he's been talking about
it for some time. Where he is in that process,
I don't know, So I would reluctant. I can't talk

(02:57:05):
about him other than what he says his gold is
and my lack of knowledge about how close he is
to achieving it, So I wouldn't comment on anything else
you know at this point.

Speaker 11 (02:57:18):
Well, I like to say I love him and I
respect him, and I give him kudos for what he's
trying to do. But my concern is that you have
a lot of black people who are doing nothing took back,
crypeticize and try to sabotize the school and try to
bring him down. I think it's awful and I think

(02:57:39):
it's disgraceful.

Speaker 1 (02:57:42):
Well, so let me chip in here for a second,
because I know, can.

Speaker 11 (02:57:44):
We come together?

Speaker 1 (02:57:46):
So I don't think I think you're hearing it on
one sided. But she's not listening to me. Again, that's
just respected, Sondra, You listening? Are you there? All right?
Here's the problem that here's the problem with people will
have with the Wumar. He's been promising this school for
the young for the longest. People have donated. We're talking
the millions and millions of dollars and people haven't seen

(02:58:10):
a school yet. And that's the problem.

Speaker 5 (02:58:11):
That's all it is.

Speaker 1 (02:58:13):
We don't care about his all the personal stuff is
that it comes across as a grifter when you've taken
millions of dollars from the black community and he still
haven't still haven't had a classroom done yet that's the problem.
So other than that, that's the only problem people have
with And that's why we won't have him on this
program because he's already lifted enough money out of our

(02:58:33):
community and we're not giving him any more money from
our community because he hasn't built that school. He didn't
conceive this yesterday. This is going on maybe ten twenty
years now. So that's the question. So I'm not telling
you we'd dislike him or hate him or whatever or
love him. That's that's your issue. But when somebody's where
the black, white green pink ripping off the black community,

(02:58:55):
we can't support them. But I thank you for your call,
Bubba la mumba. Move on. So how do we how
do we treat because you're saying the different realities for
a Calling Powell and for a Clarence Thomas and many
of us, how do how do we? How do we
deal with those folks when it comes to freedom?

Speaker 16 (02:59:15):
You know, having a frame of reference outside of what
your subjugator, what your oppressor has provided for you is
a difficult proposition. You know, it's a slow moving proposition.
Most of our people are not there yet. If you
ask them, what does it mean to be an African?
What does the future look like? What is a society
built on your own values? What would it look like?

(02:59:37):
What does a community look like? What are what does culture?
What does culture look like? We can't answer those questions
for the most part, so.

Speaker 15 (02:59:45):
Uh uh, you know, we have to do we have
to do that.

Speaker 16 (02:59:51):
So, you know, I mean, it's it's difficult, it's a
difficult proposition.

Speaker 7 (02:59:57):
So uh you know, I.

Speaker 16 (03:00:03):
Yeah, I don't know. You know, we we we're moving
towards another state of consciousness at a very slow rate,
but we are doing that. We're actually moving in that direction.
We're actually able to instead of criticizing ourselves and competing
with each other, because our tendency is to compete with
each other, not to compliment one another. H So you

(03:00:27):
know that's that's that that somebody is actually knocking on
this door.

Speaker 1 (03:00:33):
Well, somebody's trying to get your attention. Tell me, give
you a few more minutes. We've got about two more
minutes and they can and you can respond. But where
do we go from here? Because we know we like
to talk about solutions bab bla blah, but what is
your solution?

Speaker 4 (03:00:48):
Then? Well, I think.

Speaker 16 (03:00:53):
You know, uh, developing, I think you have to focus
on culture and community. To move us a head. We
have to connect with each other based on our values,
based on for example, if you use one of the
seven principles cooperative economics, we know we have to know
how to make those the economics cooperative, not individualistic. In

(03:01:15):
other words, we have we have to actually internalize what
it means to be an African. These are our relationships
to each other. As a process. We have to take
those principles that we find in Kwansa and use them,
make use of them, actually connect with them, actually develop
relationships based on what it means, and develop community and

(03:01:36):
develop culture and to be we have to act and
learn how to be ourselves all over again.

Speaker 6 (03:01:45):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (03:01:45):
And that's a whole that's a difficult proposition to make,
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:01:50):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (03:01:50):
So you know, I'm sitting here when somebody is trying
to knock on this door to get it and I
can't let them in at this point. But you know,
so it's a low process. But each individual. Now, just
like that brother who called from Ghana talked about his
own evolution, how he came to his understanding, we come
to the slow, meticulous steps towards us developing relationships based

(03:02:17):
on what it means being an African prior to our
captivity and abandoning the the the values that we are
taught by this society that we have to incorporate, this
kind of selfishness and kind of self hate, the kind
of individuality this society is based on. We have to

(03:02:40):
learn how to abandon those, how to replace them with
another set of values based on our relationships to each other.
In other words, building community culture are central to that.
Changing the name is about culture. It's about learning other
ways of doing things based on our additions. This is

(03:03:01):
a smoll process. It's going to take a long time, and.

Speaker 1 (03:03:06):
It is a journey.

Speaker 16 (03:03:07):
Babblamba answer. Let's put it this with. It's no easy answer,
Carl to their question, but moving.

Speaker 3 (03:03:13):
In that direction, and we got to cut it there.

Speaker 1 (03:03:17):
I'm gonna let you answer the door, babbloom, but we've
got to run out of here. And I thank you
because it is a journey and we're all thinking, you know,
we're all not there yet, We're still all traveling, So
thank you. Baba La Mumba Family Classes dismissed its. Stay strong,
stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,
six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB.
It's on the DMV on FM ninety five point nine

(03:03:38):
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