Black August Celebration with Dr. David Horne: Sahel Crisis, Palestinian State, Democratic Party Challenges & UNIA-ACL Convention Preview

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're fucking with the most awesomemiss the Carl Nelson Show,
You're fucking with the most.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And grand rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us again. Later, pan Afghanist doctor David Horne will
continue our Black August celebrations by updating us on the
situation in the Sahul nations on the continent, and Doctor
Hornell also analyzed the Trump administration's response to the UK,
Canada and France now planning to recognize Palestinian state. Also

(00:54):
discussed the many challenges facing the Democratic Party. But before
we hear from Dr horn Golly I brother singer by Yeah,
he's sound tapp and he'll join us shortly. But let's
get Kevin to op it up to these classroom doors
for us. Grund Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Hey, Cal Nelson. Happy Monday, Man August the fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
How are you feeling? I'm still learning, Kevin. And again
we say this and it sounds may sound tried, after
all keeps saying it all the time. But the more
you learn, the more you know that you don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
No, it doesn't sound tripe though, in my humble opinion,
it's it's more of the code. See nearly Fuller told
as we as black people, need to.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Have a code.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
So you've codified this whole experience of learning. You see,
you see what I did there, You've codified the experience
of learning. And meanwhile, the secret, sauce is we're learning
from the experience of others.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
See, that's what makes it easy.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
You're not opening up, you know, entire encyclopedia, Brick Tannaka,
We're listening to the experience of the experts who call
see what I did?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Then, Yeah, it's amazing. Somewhere Neelie Fuller's just smiling and
talked him all the time, and he said, wait, you know,
sometimes like teachers, they teach and they wonder if the
students are getting the message, and sometimes you want to
even hear after hearing what was interesting after doctor Fox
on Friday, I was anticipating somebody to go south with

(02:24):
the conversation, you know, but it didn't happen. But it
always happens, you know, where Neelie Fuller or doctor Welson
was on and after they you know, explained to us
what's going on. Then the next day, the very next day, Kevin,
like clockwork, somebody's gonna come out of left field. And
say something just totally inappropriate, like they missed the class

(02:46):
or something they weren't in class what doctor Welson said,
or Neelie Fuller said, or now doctor Fox. But it
didn't happen on Friday, so I was gonna mention that,
but we were right out of time. But I just
that was pleasing. So I say all of that to
say Neelie Fuller smiling now, because it says, Wow, they're
finally getting the message. They're finally getting it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
And you know, when the student is ready, the teacher appears.
So you could hear, you could hear something over and
over and over and over and over, and put write
copious notes and you know, read over and over and
listen to the audio again and again, and then one
day the light comes on. It's like, bang, I don't

(03:28):
know where I heard this, but you know this is
where I heard this. You know that kind of thing
I'm codifying myself, you see, And that that's what I
believe happens in the process of learning.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, and for me, I've just been fortunate just to
sit in the class with so many great scholars down
the line, Doctor Ben, doctor Clark, uh, just crazy abound
certam and I just can't think of all the names
right now, but just all of them just a bit,
you know, just sit there. So when I hear stuff

(04:02):
and say something that's contracy, I just know that they
are watching. I really believe their ancestors. Doctor Welson just
slapped me upside my head if I said something crazy,
you know what I'm saying. It's just like you sort
of channel them at point to some point to what
you heard and just just be able just to repeat
and try to help people understand who they are, because,

(04:24):
as Ashra Question likes to say, the major problem with
our people, Kevin, we don't know who we are. We
just don't know who we are. We're confused, as Nearly
Fuller would.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Say, and then discovering our purpose as well.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
You see.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I mean there's that individual aspect, as doctor Fox pointed out,
there's that individual aspect that people are either right or
wrong about. Yet at the same time, what is the
community purpose?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
You see? But I'm less of a political guy than
I am about yeah, but you know, but it all
points out to one thing. And this is what Black
August is all about. Really, it's unity. You know, if
you're not talking about unifying black people. And you know,
you shouldn't even have a discussion if you're talking about
separating and fighting another black person of or you got

(05:14):
a problem with another black person, take that or the side,
you know, because we're still as doctor Renau Karashidi remind
us all the time. You know, he quotes a Peter
Tashi song, if you're black here African, this is you know,
it's kind of the logic that Nearly Fuller teaches us.
If you're black or African, so and you can't change that,

(05:35):
there's nothing you could do about that.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
And quoting songwriters, the Great Queen Ladifa said, you in
i Wi is what we need.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
That's right. Let's just I think people are coming around
to it, figuring it out more. And a lot has
to do with what they're seeing going on in the
Sale nations as well. Right, these African brothers and sisters
are coming together and forming alliances against the French, and uh,
you know it's it's straight up what brother Saint God's
going to talk about gaby I in a race first,

(06:04):
you know, the other folks for them and this is
what I hate to go on the soapbox. Well, this
is what Nearly Fuller has been teachings. They have a code,
as you mentioned, and they have a code when they
come to us to promise we don't have a colde.
And the reason why we don't have a cold because
we don't know who we are. But anyway, let me
get out my soapbox. I'm gonna let the experts handle that,
or at least how to create a code for that.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Man.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Hey, look in celebrity news, let's talk about the latest
Huxtable child news. How about that? Remember Vanessa Huxtable? Uh yeah,
tempest bledsoe. Her birthday was August first, and she is
now fifty two years old and.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh wow, yeah now that and that makes you feel old,
doesn't she's fifty two. She grew up in front of us, right.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Right child and make mistakes and correcting herself and being
corrected by you know, two great actors in our lives.
As well as the fact that she's no worse for
the wear either. You know, she's still a cutie on duty.
So uh, happy birthday to tempest blood cell.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Now and uh.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
In other news, though a little sadder note, Muhammad Ali's
brother Rahaman Ali passed away. Yes, rock man, Oh that's
how you pronounce it rock man.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well okay, okay, yeah, you know, let's talk about it
for a second. Because he he had he had the
abilities to stay in his brother's shadow. You know, some
some people and they have a famous person in their family,
they they they struggle with how that person got all
the fame. You look at the Jackson, look at Jermaine

(07:45):
and Michael. You know, how did how do he get?
You know? They how did he get it? Why did
God bless him you know and not me or so
in mind of my brothers and sisters or with equal
blessings the Michael got But uh, rock man, he's stayed
in the ground and supported his brother. And even though
he was a boxer in his own right, but he
really did not, you know, try to overshadow or compete

(08:07):
with his brother. So yeah, he was a good dude.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I had a chance to meet him a couple of times.
Oh is that really his brother?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well yeah, yeah, they say he would sparre.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
He sparred with his brother all the time and they
were always together pretty much.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Born in Louisville, Kentucky, and he died in his hometown
in a one of those hospices And according to Devon
Hold from the Ali Center. He said, you can't tell
Muhammad Ali's story without mentioning Rob mand So you know
there's that. And then finally so we can get to

(08:43):
singor And I just wanted to mention this thing about
Charlemagne the god fires back and Donald Trump who.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Called him a low iq sleeze ball.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Wow, why do we call a radio announcer a low
iq sle ball? And what difference does it make to
Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, you know what it is. Shammelaine touched on
his corn, which is Epstein, you know, well, yeah, and
he mentioned it on Fox. This is the other because
the people on Fox don't mention Epstein at all. It's
it's like this is an eternal memo, do not mention Epstein.
So when Shamalain goes on the show and he's being
interviewed by Trump's daughter in law of all persons, yeah,

(09:29):
a family member, and he mentions Epstein and go, oh
that that you know that that really upset mister Donald Trumpdom's.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Fighting words right slowly turned step by step, and I
stepped to the mic and I say, you know, he's
a low iq.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I don't get it. And and it had he just
ignored it. You know, sometimes when you get promise and
people say things and you just ignore them and just
move on it, it dies. But now it's now, what's
going to happen? Now he rate a firestorm because now
Shamlin is going to talk about it this morning on
his show, so you know.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And he's making the guy a celebrity, exactly international celebrity.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Right internationally now because people are rather, well, who is
this guy who've never heard of me? People here in
this country have never heard of Shamaa. Now everybody's going
to know him because because of what's going is uh
tick for tat with Donald Trump. So sometimes but again
it's that Epstein thing. Man, he's really really paranoid about that.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, I hope he doesn't get upset about my impersonations
of Donald Trump. Next thing, you know, i'll be in
the news. I'm not sure I can handle it.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yes you can. You'll be fine. I'll give it a try. Hey, listen,
if he could attacks everybody who personates him, he go
after a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Alec Baldwin first of all, yeah, I know, I know,
Hey man, thanks for your time. That's what we're going
to do for trending topics. This Monday morning is the
fourth at the Carl Nelson Show University.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Thank you, Thank you, Kevin, thanks for keeping us informed
of what's trending in the news in the morning. All right,
let's move on, family, Let's say welcome brother, Brother Seano
by a grand rising, brother sang, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 8 (11:13):
Yeah, God Garby rising to you and the listeners. Always
a pleasure this Black August Mosiah month to be here sharing.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Some listens and she even get closer to that phone
for us, Brother Sean go, I.

Speaker 8 (11:28):
Said, God Garvey morning, always a pleasure to be here.
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, but it's kind of faint, Kevin, can you turn
up his level?

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I'm all the way up.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, Well, Kevin would work on it.

Speaker 8 (11:44):
Go ahead, all right, greetings everybody, Like I said, God
Gody morning, just Black August Mosiah Month twenty twenty five,
got a lot to share. So where do we begin?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Called the first explain to the family, brother saying, God,
what is black August? Because I'm not sure many people
understand because we've been talking about black August. For some people,
that's the first time they're hearing that phrase.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
I'll be very straightforward, okay. Black August is a month
long commemoration dedicated to honoring black freedom fighters and political
prisoners for ticularly those who have been killed or in
prison due to their activism and resistance against systematic oppression.

(12:35):
It originated and I will tell you that Jack Yeah,
but they say in nineteen seventies, but nineteen seventy nine
within California prisons, and it has since spread to communities,
becoming a time for reflection, study, and recommitment to the
fight for liberation. Some of the key aspects of Black

(12:59):
August it's honoring freedom fighters. Black August commemorates the sacrifices
of black individuals who fought for liberation, including those who
died while incarcerated or were killed by authorities. The tradition began,
as I said earlier, in California prison, of course, honoring

(13:23):
brother George Jackson and others. A lot of different things
take place during August. They recommend that you fast, you
focus on self discipline, you focus on community building, you
learn your historical significance, and it's a call to action,
very important. But let me just also say Marcus Goby

(13:46):
was one of the first twentieth century political prisoners. So
even though Black August started in nineteen seventy nine, in
the seventies, our issue was having political prisoners or activists
being murdered or killed has been going on for a

(14:07):
long time, even before Garby.

Speaker 9 (14:09):
But Garby was the.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
First twentieth century major political prisoner who was sentenced to
five years and later found out he was not guilty.
Of course, his sentence was commuted after doing two and
a half years. But the fact of the matter is
whether or not it's Matu Shakur. And by the way,

(14:32):
a big event is coming up for our brother Matula,
and it's very important to recognize that even though our
ancestors who struggle for us are what most people call
no longer here with us physically dead, are very much

(14:52):
alive in the spirit because we as African people, we
really don't die. And that's a whole nother subject. But
our I'll just say briefly, we return. In fact, I
heard you earlier mentioning about our ancestors. Our ancestors actually
are waiting and watching and done their work physically, but
very much alive in what we call the eye of

(15:14):
the world wind. We like to say that Swahili Shika
la kamunga. The eye of the world win is upon us.
So this Mosaiah Month, which is also another month coined
by the Al Kabaalan revivalist movement out of the UK

(15:34):
years ago, is a month long time to not only
celebrate political prisoners and those who have gone before us,
those that have been killed, those activists, but also to
celebrate the great dates that take place during the month
of Authors. So many things have taken place. Of course,

(15:55):
the right eccellent Honorable Marcus mosa Gary born on the seventeenth,
the Honorable Renoko Wasshidi, and doctor Julius Garby born on
August the sixteenth, Edward Wellmo Biden born earlier during August,
and I can go on and on and on. A
shootout with the RNA took place in August. Just so
many different things have taken place during the Lions Sun

(16:18):
month of August. But it is very important for us
to connect the dots because it's one movement, and we
say organized, organized and unify. So as I segue into
talking about and I can come back into talking about
how those things connect. But this year the sixty seventh
International Convention of the U n I AACL Rehabilitating Committee

(16:44):
twenty twenty.

Speaker 10 (16:47):
Is hosting.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Right there, brother saying, go, we gotta step aside for
a few months and way come back. Let you tell
us about the convention. Also, Kevin reminded me of today
is Barack Obama's birthday? Barack Obama part of Black August?
And what do you think Ed is sixty four years
old today? In a way family, but our guest is
Gavi I brother single by a you got a question
about Black August, He's the person you need to speak
to and you can reach him at eight hundred four

(17:09):
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls next.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
And Grand Rising Family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Monday morning, this first Monday in August, Black August.
If you will, I guess there is Gavi I brother
Sengo by before were left for the break, brother Sengoh
tell us about this sixty seventh Annual International Convention by
the U and I aac L brother and brother Sengo. Ifore,
we go on to explain who and what is the

(18:01):
you and I and what are the initials actually saying
for you and I aacl okay, Carl.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
Before I do that, if I may, I want I
started talking about Black August. I want. I want to
make sure that people are clear on August to eighth
this year, doctor Matula Chakour a celebration of life. And
I want to tell people how important that is, because

(18:27):
if you want to talk to some of the pioneers
who have been struggling with some of our ancestors, that's
a great time to tune in. And then program is free.
It's going to be online. You can go to well, actually,
let me just say it's going to be held Friday

(18:49):
on Zoom and the meeting I D is five nine
four one one two three four seven. Oh, it starts
at six pm. Y'all should be there. And now let
me segway back. Now you mentioned what the initial stand for.
The initial stand for the Universal Negro Improvement Association, African

(19:10):
Communities League Rehabilitating Committee twenty twenty. Let me explain that
to you. The UNI has a long history. I don't
have time to even go into it because it would
take days upon days, but I will say to you
that when Marcus Carvey started the UNIA, it had a
different name, it had more names added to it controversially,

(19:32):
but as it progressed on up to nineteen twenty, it
became the UNIA ACL. Of course, UNI Inc. Was incorporated
in the nineteen teens, in fact, nineteen I believe nineteen
eighteen and ACL was incorporated. Those were two corporations, but

(19:53):
because of manipulations and all kinds of stuff that went
on in New York amongst a fans who were envious, jealous,
those entities became defunct. Even though UNI Inc. Has been revived,
it's not you and IAACL, but we have entity control
over the UNIA Inc. That's a whole nother discussion of

(20:16):
nonprofit ACL was for African Communities League. Garvey's vision was
to put together a entity that could encompass all black
people doing some type of uplifting business work for African people.
In nineteen twenty when the convention was held. The first
convention was held in mad in New York. You ANDIA

(20:41):
connected ACL together, Garby and them connected them together. So
it became the Universal Negro Improvements Rotations. After Community League government,
where Garvey was elected the first Provincial President of Africa
and the first President General of the UNIA, even though
Garvey was the head of the u n IA years

(21:02):
before that. That is very important. Where did rehabilitating come in. Well,
Garvey strive to rehabilitate and revive the government. Several President
generals that he trained in the course of African philosophy
started to rehabilitate to join our aid. So as years
progressed after twenty sixteen, first of all, I served as

(21:22):
President General in Marcus Garvey's shoes from two thousand and
eight to twenty sixteen. As President General after twenty sixteen,
some things transpired which I will keep personal and won't
go into detail unless people contact us and we go directly.
We decided to move into another direction come twenty twenty

(21:48):
to revamp the government in keeping with the teachings of Garvey,
who taught the course of African philosophy. So this is
where you have twenty twenty Rehabilitating Committee twenty twenty. There
are many Gabites out here and there's no love loss
if any of us. Everybody's moving forward to work. However,
under the President General of Achille and Krumer, who was

(22:10):
in the UNIA when I came in it also served
as first Assistant President General under my leadership now is
the President General of uni ACL Rehabilitating Committee twenty twenty.
Since twenty twenty, we have established over six locations, maybe seven,

(22:33):
but six seven in the workings on the Content of Africa,
in keeping with the key kams of the right X
amount of Marcus ont shy Gody. So I want people
to understand that not only the un IA, but every race,
first movement or every movement has gone through uphills, downhills,
and battles internally, etcetera. Well, U and I is no

(22:57):
different than anybody else. Even garbage time. There were people
who in the UNIA came against Garby. There were people
after Garvey who had issues. So I just want to
let you know that what we have come to understand
is our whole race has issues because, as y'all were
talking about earlier, we failed to know ourselves well. Those

(23:18):
of us who have known our cosmic assignment and know
ourselves are building the rehabilitating committee for the race, utilizing
the same teachings, the same vehicle, the same government, the
same constitution as the UNIACL Rehabilitating Committee twenty twenty. So

(23:39):
I hope I was clear. Now we're coming up on
a sixty seventh International Convention and it's going to be
held here in Washington, d C. Very very important. The
first convention ever held in Washington, DC was held at
Howard University and Marcus Garvey Junior was elected President. General
Marcus Garvey's son served three terms. There have been other

(24:02):
conventions that have been held. Here was one hell here
under my turn in leadership. But this time it's under
the leadership of our good brother Malik, Achille Malik and
Kruma and we're hosting it here the Witch and Banika
Jackson Bay Division three thirties hosting it. And the good
news is that we had a black venue and we're

(24:23):
on Central Avenue at the famous E Life Restaurant complex
short for Everlasting Life, at nine oh three to three
Central Avenue. This is where the convention will be held. Now,
we have brother Achille, Milik and Krumer coming. We have
doctor Cinzera Kahini, our second assistant President General, myself Singo

(24:48):
Baye's first assistant. We have Secretary of General Mary Bolta.
We have Chief Foe day Aji Mulu has been on
these airways. Manserray, third Assistant President General be chiming in
from Sera Leone. We have our Minister of Education, Sister
Tien Dive, Paula Johnson. We have so many others that
will be with us that I could name. We have

(25:08):
our counselor General that's going to be with us, I
Nia Regina Lynn Rogers.

Speaker 9 (25:13):
We have.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
Brother Baba Mosey Maximilla, who's been on these airwaves, who's
the president of Division three thirty. We have none other
than Tony Browder Anthony Browder who will be with us.
We have Paul Coates who will be with us. We
have Sey Wire and Krumer. We have I could go
on and on and on, but we have so many people.

(25:36):
Tyrone Parker who's been on these airwaves, Poets, Kenny Carroll,
we have Muflindy Coco russan powerful brother carrying on a
tradition of Francis gresh Wilson, Marimber, Annie, etc.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
We have.

Speaker 8 (25:51):
Kathy English Hope, my dear tender Love, who's going to
be emulating and bringing in the spirit of Manny Helen Burrows.
And we have Evergreen Production. We have artists. There's gonna
be a dramason. We have Proverbs Reggae band. We have
Master Drummer, Jabari, Exem, Joseph Pengwa, brother Bill, brother Sadiki

(26:12):
will all be with us now. I will break down
the schedule after a while, but it's three events that
I want y'all to really recognize. On Renoko's birthday, we're
honoring doctor Renoko Rashidi's legacy, and we're working with the
Renoco Rashidi Institute, who is married to us as partners.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
They right and how I thought right there, it's thirty
minutes at the top of the family, just waking up
our guest, his brother saying God bay a and we're
discussing Black August. They have a big event taking place
in Washington, d C. Under the flag of the year.
And I A, you mentioned you're having an event on
Renocco doctor Renoco Rashidi's birthday.

Speaker 11 (26:50):
What day?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
What day is that? One?

Speaker 8 (26:52):
August is sixteenth?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
See okay, he didn't mention the day.

Speaker 8 (26:57):
Get back into it on the other side of the break.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
No, we's not. We have to break it. I just
had to give a time chame.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
But go ahead, Oh oh okay, excuse me, okay, well,
let me move forward real quickly.

Speaker 10 (27:08):
There on.

Speaker 8 (27:11):
Thursday to fourteenth and brother Sam PK Collins will be
joining in this call by the way around seven, I believe,
and he gonna go jape into it. But we're having
a conference for youth that will be open to young
people and we'll give you some more details in the
other hour when he comes on. But that's important because

(27:31):
we always focus on our youth. So even though we
have some closed business sessions, we've opened up Thursday from
ten am to three pm for them to host a
youth forum with workshops. On Friday evening at seven pm,
we have the Proverbs reggae band, an African marketplace and

(27:54):
of course food sales and Elfe. Then that's gonna be
a really good uplifted because what people tend to do
is come to conferences and then they don't leave with conferences.
They leave conferences with not a plan in action. We
don't move like that. We have a plan in action.
But we also know that we want to celebrate whenever
African people come together. So reggae is very important and

(28:16):
the messages in the music are critical. So we are
having that evening social time on Saturday. We close out
the convention that morning and at one pm on August sixteenth,
we'll have a tribute to Ronoko Rashidi featuring Tony Browner,

(28:38):
Is Mirror, Atschi, Paul Coaches, Attorney in Kichi, Chaifa, Achille
Malik and Kruma, myself, Kathy English, Hope, Brother, Jabari ExHAM
and Free Benjamin and others. So they'll be entertainment, upliftment

(29:00):
speakers and solidarity messages and Renoko we know it's still
our living traveling ambassador, and he was an ambassador when
he was physically here with us. He's traveled to more
places around the world than anyone. That's why you're going
to hear a lot more about Renoko Rashidi because everywhere

(29:21):
he went he was consistent with tying African people together.
He bought pictures back to us to show us and
he shared with them what's going on out in the world.
Totally a powerful brother. We miss him dearly here with
us physically, but we honor him in the ancestor realm
and know he's working as Mojo. On Saturday Saturday morning

(29:43):
from eleven thirty so about one, we have an international
dramathon that's taking place. And when I say international, people
in the UK, people in Africa, people in the Caribbean
and throughout the United States are going to contenu annual
August tradition and a drum call for Garvey Marcus Mosiah

(30:06):
Garvey's Earthday Tribute Worldwide African Drummer bon Following the drummer
don we will have doctor Julius Garvey. We'll have brother
m Hotep Batsu and I'm gonna talk more about him,
brother who leads the Pan African Liberation Movement who is

(30:27):
organizing a Race first convention coming up in late September.
We'll talk more about that. We have our good brother
Tyrone Parker. We have brother Professor Koko. We have Bomani Armah,
an awesome artist who works with our young people. We
have Kenny Carroll, we have Jabari Exhem, we have Evergreen

(30:47):
Productions and much much more all day at Everlasting Light
again that is located at nine O three to three
Central Avenue, Capital Heights, Maryland. Now, I did not share
the conference will be closed to members, but I want

(31:08):
to make sure that people understand if you can't get there,
we are planning to stream all the public events, and
of course that's important to us because many of our
members who won't be coming to DC will be able
to join us online, not only in the closed business
conference sessions, but in the celebrations socially so that they

(31:31):
can connect. Now, there will be events going on in
various divisions around the world anyway, because everybody celebrates the
Unia and Garvy and Black August, Mosia Month in the UK,
they do a month long celebration in the UK called
Mosia Months. Well, we like to connect Mosia Month to

(31:52):
Black August because we won people. In fact, in nineteen eighty,
the same division hosting the convention coin what we call
African Heritage Month. For those who were around know what
I'm talking about. We pull together independent schools, various different
religious and spiritual groups, various different groups, and we had
a month long celebration called African Heritage Month, no different

(32:17):
than Black August, no different than Mosaiah Month. Because one
of the most critical things we need to do when
we talk race first, That's why I'm going to talk
about the Race First Convention coming up in September, is
because race unifies us. That is very important.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Let me come here for a second single and ask
you this question, though at twenty five away from the top,
that why do you think so many people have an
issue with identifying with the race first. You know, other
races don't have that. It's almost automatically for them, but
for us, for some of us, as black folks, we
struggled with that.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
Why well, call it's simple.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
It's simple.

Speaker 8 (32:56):
We've been hoodwink, we've been bamboo zoo. We don't know ourselves,
emulating a foreign alien culture. Now, let me break that
down for you. We know that the beginning as humanity
started with the black man and black woman, So every
living human being on the planet actually comes from us. However, Urugu,

(33:17):
as Marimbaani calls it, did things to us and captured
the world and gain control, and it's still in the
control today. The chump who's representing twenty twenty five right now,
the so called the president of the United States, snakes
of Africa is a perfect example. But let me be
very clear. Let me be very clear. Some of our

(33:41):
own people who do not know themselves and begin to
hold up a system of oppression, who began don't know
themselves according to individual cycle and zone and want to
get theirs and think about their brothers. They forgot about Umbuchu,
they forgot about Mahat, they forgot about our great history
when we wear a piece of harmony on the planet. However,

(34:02):
those of us who know ourselves have a responsibility to
strive to wake people up to the true selves, to
their true melanin true DNA history and culture, which is
understanding race first. We're not anti anybody. We're not anti animals,
we're not anti the planet, we're not anti any beings.

(34:24):
But we understand race first is critical and that's the
only unifying factor geopolitically. You might be born in America,
you might be born in Jamaica, you might be born
in Trinidad, you might be born in Canada, you might
be born in wherever. But you're not You're not a Jamaican.
You're an African Jamaican.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I thought right there, brother, So I let's expound on
that when we get back where we go check the unions,
trafficking weather in our different cities, and twenty three away
from the top of our family discussing black Augusts or
number saying go by a he's a Gavat. You want
to join in the conversation, reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seven seventy six.
I'm gonna take the calls after the traffic and weather update.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
That's night.

Speaker 4 (35:07):

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Monday morning, the first Monday in August, and
we're talking about Black August for the entire month. For
some folks that are the first time they're hearing this phrase,
and I don't understand what it is. So we pulled
in Callafe Eye brother saying, go by A to explain
it and break it down. What is Black August and
all the events that are taking place or at least
some of the events that have taken place to celebrating

(35:51):
Black August. Before we go back, Tom Villens remind you
to continue the celebrations with doctor David Horn later this morning.
And you're also going to talk about the situation in
the Sahal Nation. Also is going to analyze the Trump
administration's response to the UK, Canada and France planning to
recognize Palestine or a Palestinian state, and also is going
to talk about the many challenges that now facing the
Democratic Party. Later this week, you're gonna hear from Professor

(36:14):
James Small. You're gonna hear from political blog of Brandon
also Professor Mainu and Pin just back from Africa. It's
going to join us as well. So if you are
in Baltimore, make sure your radio is Lottin tied on
ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family
around FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifteen WOL.
All right, brother Sean go, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna pick up right well left. But like
I said, race versus is very very important. It's not
about racism. It's about race first. African people, no matter
where you come from, if you're a black man, a
black woman, you're an African and that's a unifying factor.
We talk about unity. That is one of the most
efficient ways for us to unify. Of course work is

(36:55):
needed after that, but it's very important for those who
recognize that we are important African people on the planet
all over the world. It connects us. Let me explain
what some people get confused with. We're Africans born in America,
Africans born in Jamaica, Africans born on Africa, Africans born wherever.

(37:17):
Yet you're African first, As brother Renoko Rashida used to
always say, regardless to what your religious persuasion is. You're
a Christian, your Muslim, you're Arkhan, you're Ureba, you're a Commetician,
you're a Buddhist. Whatever you choose to do, as Malcolm say,
don't beat people over the head with your own belief,
live it and become one. But you're African Christian. You're

(37:41):
an African Muslim, You're an African europe But your African
ebo that unifies us. No matter what tribe, no matter
what country you might have been born in, if you're
an African, you're an African. In fact, we know all
human beings come from Africa. And once you unify around
race first, you begin to have a better understanding of
coming into your consciousness and finding out your cosmic assignment

(38:03):
that you must carry out in this life. In the
African tradition, we don't die. So when we say the
eye of the world win, that's what Marcus Godby says,
count on him to be the real Marcus Garvey. In death,
there is power, and in the African tradition we've always
known that that we continue to honor our ancestors even
when they are no longer physically with us. They're now

(38:25):
working their mojo in the ancestral realm. But Race First
is so important, I asked, I said earlier I mentioned
the Race First Convention, and I'm not going to get
ahead of myself, but it is important for people that
want specific details about Race First. Come here the experts
talk about it. September twenty sixth to the twenty eighth,

(38:46):
twenty twenty five and be more. Chubman City, Baltimore, and
it is open for you to register, and I'll tell
you how you can register. But we have people like
marimba Ani who coined the book, who published the book,
Yarugu who breaks it down. She'll be there with us.
We have Bro Baba McCoo Musique. We have Malik Lumumba.

(39:08):
We have Mulwalimore Baruti, another powerful brother who's doing great
race versus work. We have Baba Kahil Bay. We have
Mama mckeeney from Appeal Incorporated. Many in DC area know
who I'm talking about.

Speaker 12 (39:23):
We have I R.

Speaker 8 (39:23):
Shango, We have representatives of the U n I A
r C twenty twenty, Mama Kindae Johnson, Mama Chenziah Kahini,
the President General, Achille Malik and Kuma and myself and
others will be gathering on the twenty six from five
pm to eight thirty pm at a meeting Greek at

(39:46):
five five two five Hartford Road in Baltimore, Maryland. On
Day two from twelve pm to five thirty the Convention
Session Baltimore Unity Hall, fifteen O five Utah Place, Baltimore, Maryland.
And day three the Convention in Session Baltimore Unity Hall,
same address as Day two, from eleven thirty to three thirty.

(40:09):
We will be breaking it down to show you the
unity because it's not only about those who are active
members of holding up the government of the U and
I a RC twenty twenty. It's about all the race
first groups. And there's many, many, many of us that
are doing race first work, and we are moving to
unify ourselves to help wake up the so called unconscious

(40:29):
who don't know themselves and those that don't want to
wake up. We're gonna kindly respectfully ask them to stay
out of our way and don't try to battle us.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Just right now, how would you hold that thought? Right there?
Brother saying God tan away from the time because I
got two tweets for the tweeters are up this morning,
and this one is kind of what you're saying, because
the tweeter said, should we ask brother singles, should we
join with the black sailouts the Sambos? Can we embrace them.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
Brother as race? First, we love all of our people,
but our people who continue to want to be individualistic,
who continue want to hold up the so called system
of white supremacy. I don't like to use that term
because they're not supreme to hold up the system of oppression.
Who continue to do that. I was taught when I

(41:17):
came into the u N I A. Everybody that's skin
folks ain't kent folk, meaning some of us are so
lost they will never be able to find themselves. We're
not talking about those brothers and sistans, However, we will
be trying to educate and uplift our brothers and sisters,
especially young people who have been lost, who have been

(41:39):
played into whether or not they're entertainers, whether or not
they're politicians, and are caught up in the cob web
of holding up the system rather than taking down the
system of oppression. They are our brothers and sistants still,
But we don't got time to play around because we've
been lick, kicked abuse, drug rob too long. Many of

(42:00):
our young people are dying as I speak to you, too.
Many of our women are disrespected. As I speak to you,
people are being kidnapped off the street. People are being
pushed all over the world because we don't exercise power.
How do we get power? First? We got to unify
and have something that unifies us, and race first is
a step in that direction. Once we understand that we

(42:21):
are our brother and sisters keeper, then we begin to
move together. You move on one of us, you move
on all of us. That step towards power. The only
way we're going to address getting the puss of Yurugu
off our backs is to unify. So race first is
very important. So to say to my brother brother, we

(42:43):
reach out to everybody we love, but we don't got
time for backs line as Malcolm saying, we don't got time.
You know, we understand we're race first. Those of us
that understand it, it's enough of us to do the
work in Africa, in the Caribbean, in all over the world.
Africans need to be raci first. Now, of course, at
once you understand your race first and you're unified, you

(43:05):
have to have ideologies that can give you a way
to organize. So we in the Garby movement called ourselves
universal Pan African nationalists. However, our socialist brothers and sisters
are welcome to come to the table with work. We
are welcome to come to the table with work. The
work separates all of our minor differences and brings us

(43:27):
together around a common unifying factor, which is called race. First,
now everybody else around the world. First of all scientifically,
Godby said we should be science pot excellence. There's called
a such thing called the mongoloid, the cocazoid, and the negroid.
We didn't create those terms. We didn't separate out the race.

(43:49):
We understand we want human race. But we also understand
that African people create all of the great inventions, create
all of great arts and culture, and everybody in the
world sucks on our culture, sucks on us and uses
us and holds us down. Garvey traveled the world back

(44:13):
before the un I was established. He said, where's the
black man's government, where's the black woman's and black man's
men of big affairs? He could not find them. Everywhere
he went. We were on the bottom of the rum.
Well By moving towards race first, as Garvey, as so
many even before Garby. If you go back to the
Hatieth Revolution, the Haiti people say Haiti, but Haiti they

(44:36):
understood clearly they opened the door for all Africans to
have citizenship. In Haiti, we say we should have dual citizenship.
We did not sit at the table during the Berlin
Conference when Yurrugus were fighting over what proportions of Africa
they were going to control. We still are fighting that
same fight today. However, if you go back to ancient commitment,

(44:56):
if you go back to ancient times, we had peace
and harmony in the world because we were race first.
We had no boundaries. You know, you shouldn't have to
get a visa to go from Nigeria to Tanzania. That's ridiculous.
That's that's a way to control us and keep us divided.
And that's why the race first concept is so important.
Let me let me also say real quickly, if you

(45:19):
can register for the Race First conference at www dot
p l M ninety five dot org. You can go
there and register and come and join us in Baltimore
and find out more clarity on the importance of race first,
not just coming from the Garby movement, but coming from
the Pan African Liberation Movement and many other groups and

(45:40):
people who understand that we are unifying. Now, let me
get back to the U n I A and make
it clear to everybody. The UNIA was established for all
African people to uplift themselves to regain sovereignty. What do
we mean by regain sovereignty gaining control of the African continent.
Everybody is still raping the resources out of Africa and

(46:04):
still imprisoned people's minds. So you have to free your
mind so your behind can be free. That's very important.
That's a part of knowing thatself. So with race first,
a whole lot of things come into play. Once we
are unified. We need to control our own food, clothing,
and shelter, create our own governments, create our own security systems, etc.

(46:25):
We cannot We cannot take over your Rugu systems and
be successful. They are corrupt systems. Your rugules stole the continent.
Ain't no so called white people as they say, which
really people call them white people, but I call it
like I say, your rugus. They came to America as

(46:49):
farmer to this continent. They stole a whole continent. So
what makes you think they won't lie cheap and steal
your humanity. They do. So it's very important for us
to wake up and be very clear that Marcus Garby
is alive in the world. Win with countless millions, Doc Ben,
Doc Clark, so many you know, Cali House, so many ancestors,

(47:13):
Malcolm X, Thomas Sankara, Nanny Helen Barrows. I could go
on down the line. Sabouquet, you know, Kwame and Krumer,
you know what I mean. So it's so many that
have gave us the direction shake out. The DAP said
we must federate. That means all African people need to
be in a one movement. African continents should be unified,

(47:37):
not separated. What's going on in SiO States as an example,
that's a cofederation that they've established. They already have knocked
down their borders and they're moving as one with three
nation states working together. We need all the nation states
on the continent and all Africans all around the world
working together. And we cannot be hoodwinked to think that

(47:58):
this chunk who's pushing twenty two twenty five is some
kind of king and can control things and shift the
gears in America. And let's be very clear, didn't begin
with the chump. It started some time ago when they
captivated us, took us out of our own habitat in
Africa and brought us across the waters. Let's be clear,

(48:18):
Ivan Man said, have made it clear many of us
were already here. Some people call it Indians, but we
know that a lot of those so called people called
Indians were actually black Africans. I want to make that
very clear.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Hold on, I thought, right there, go come up break.
But let me ask you this though, How did those
brothers get here? If they weren't any ships they how
did they actually get here single? I'll let you think
about that for a moment and then explain that to
it because I keep hearing that, and some people used
that to negate the transit lag slave trade and therefore
negate reparations. Because well, we're black, we're already here. So

(48:54):
if you can explain how our ancestors got here before
the Atlantic slave trail'd appreciate this. I means we got
step asut and get a quart up on the ladies,
traffic and weather, not different cities, family, just checking in
or just waking up. I guess his brother saying go
by a. He's a gavy it's and this is Black
Augure's a lot of events taking place all month long.
He's sharing with some of us. Some of the events
are taking place in the d n B air and

(49:15):
of course you can you can view them online as well.
And if you'd like to speak to brother saying go
or reach out to us at eight hundred four five
zero seventy eight seventy six, I won't take your phone calls.
After the traffic and weather update.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
That's next. You're rocking with the Most Submissive the Carl
Nelson Show. You're rocking with the most Submissive.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Ground Rising Family. Thanks for staying with us, so waking
up with us on this Monday morning or two after
the top they with our guess brother sing go by
height brother Saint Gore is a gavy, he and this
is Black August. It's explaining to folks who don't understand
or the concept of what Black August is. You probably
heard the phrase you're listening to this program to out
the month, you'll understand what Black August is. And then
they're having a big event. Actually it's the sixty seventh

(50:23):
annual convention they're having started by you and I. You
and I a ac L Marcus Garfage group and they're
going to do having their convention in Washington, d C.
Before we left for the Breakdough, my question to you
was because you mentioned about the Transatlantic slave trade, because
some folks I know, we've mentioned that we were here
before the slave trade. We were here, blacks were here

(50:45):
as if to negate the fact that most of us
came through our ancestors came through the Atlantic slave transatlantic
route and many of their bones and some of our
relatives at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. And somehow
they've been pushing this narrative that, you know, the it
never existed and because of that we don't deserve reparations.
These are black folks having these kind of conversations, brothers

(51:06):
and go. Can you clear it up for us? Were
we here before and how did we get here?

Speaker 10 (51:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (51:11):
Well, let me be very clear, Africans traveled the world
long before Urugu came into existence. Now it's a whole
it's a whole issue of how they came into existence
after being locked down in the Cocazoit Mountains, losing their
melanin and going through changes. I don't want to get
into all of that. People have all kinds of theories

(51:33):
about how that happened, But the fact of the matter
is long before that took place, Africans traveled all around
the world, and we did not go captivating and taking control.
We went learning from each other. So yes, there are
some indigenous Africans that we came to Africa, and I

(51:55):
came to America.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
And all over the world in fact, and had.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
Oldrem and g life here before the Transatlantic slave trade.
So that does not negate the fact that even those
Africans were oppressed once Urugu took control of North America
and parts and most of the world. So all of

(52:21):
us are family. That's why race versus so important.

Speaker 10 (52:23):
We don't have no division.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
See that's a divisive thing that the Urugu has done,
and Africans, unfortunately too many of them who don't understand
what I'm in man certain was teaching, get confused and
become divisive and divide. Oh, I wasn't hurrying from Africa.
Every human being on the planet came from the original

(52:46):
man and woman on the planet.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Right. Because the second tweet that I've got for you
and brother Sam p K Conscious John Us we get
to your mama, tell that we His coworkers laughed at him.
He told him he wanted to go to Africa. He says,
he's been listening to the program for a while and
he's here all the comments and all the guests, and

(53:08):
you know, he made a remark to his to some
of his friends who are black, and he says, he
told me they wanted to go to Africa, and they
laughed and ridiculed him. I know he's listening, so he
wants some ammunition to fire back when he goes back
on the job this morning.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
Oh, once you understand race first, everybody ain't got to
get on a plane and go back to Africa. Some
of us ain't no good here and won't know be
good head there. Everybody, do not have to return to
Africa to get back to Africa.

Speaker 13 (53:34):
In your mind, the whole world, the whole world is.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
Our domain, but Africa is the base. And if you
can't free up the base of the world and stop
Jurugle from taking the resources from Africa, which we would
not even be able to have this show right now
if it were not for resources to come out of Africa,
I would not be on no cell phone. It's a
whole lot of resources to come out of Africa. So
the reality is, if you don't want to go back Africa, fine,

(54:01):
but build and organized in an African way.

Speaker 9 (54:04):
Where you are we we are, we we ain't.

Speaker 8 (54:07):
We ain't enemies to the Republic of New Africa. Here
in us the Bay, we're friends with them. We're friends
with brothers and sisters who want to stay here. But
to stay here you got to be connected. And if
you're not connected to the source, then you're not connected
to your real self. You're losing a part of your
whole self. So those debates are counterproductive to the work

(54:28):
that has to be done. We have more in common
than we have opposed one another. So but I don't
want to go too long. I want to be strong
in my answers. But I also want to get Sam PK. Collins,
who I know got to make a move to go
do go, go do his work that he does with
youth all the time. And I wanted him to come
on because I want people to understand it ain't about

(54:50):
old he It's about young and old, and it's about
one family race first family, and it is important for
us to understand that our youth, like brother Sam, are
doing great work for our younger youth, and him along
with Atlantish Browder and along with our Tea and others
and Brother Cheff are working consistently to continue to educate,

(55:15):
elevate our young people a new generation of African liberators.
So on Thursday August to fourteenth, from ten am to
two pm at Central Avenue doing our convention, Sam take
it from there, Please.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Go ahead, Sam, Sam there online too. Oh yeah, we
can hear our gham.

Speaker 14 (55:42):
All right, perfect, perfect, I give thanks the beginning of
a new week. As far as the convention or the
U Symposium this year, we named it after our two
noble ancestors, Barbara Lunoka, Rashidi Mamajas and Hatsu Kamara and
and conceptualizing that idea, we had discussions about just what

(56:06):
Bobin Son Gore and brother Kaul were talking about the
lack of Afro africancy or the rejection of africanity among
our people.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
And it's actually.

Speaker 14 (56:18):
It's actually starting our organizing efforts among young people because
young people are taking in this misinformation through social media
and it's actually hampering our ability to bring them into
the fold. So in my years of organizing, I've learned
that until we can fulfill a mass movement, we have
to continuously or i tenuously educate our young people and

(56:43):
help them overstand their connection to the continent and the
African heritage. And this is a part of doing that,
and not only showing them the African heritage through the
legacy of our two noble ancestors, but preparing them for
the war that is in front of us, learning about
financial literacy, and learning about political organizing, and learning how

(57:05):
to better decipher and overstand the effects of the modern
day music on their psyche.

Speaker 8 (57:10):
So that is pretty much.

Speaker 15 (57:14):
The overall goal of.

Speaker 14 (57:15):
The symposium, but it's most on an opportunity to get
young people in one place to learn how to socialize
and to hopefully use this opportunity to build upon more
opportunities where they can conduct long term projects, become comrades,
and just take the African liberation struggle to the next level,
because it has to be taken to the next level.

(57:38):
And as far as the organizing timeline, the elders, for
the most part, in my humble opinion, are supposed to
fall back in the sense that they serve as advisors.
Right now, the movement is too elder top heavy, and
that's a problem because elders, transitions and young adults like
me are charged with responsible ability of taking the helm

(58:02):
and bringing up the young people. With the advisement of
the others, of course, but we are the vanguards right now.
So this is an effort to embosing young people and
to help them outstand their leadership qualities because a lot
of them are already leaders, some of them, most of
them are leaders in good ways. Some of them are
leaders in very negative ways. But it's about bringing them

(58:24):
in one place and helping them fulfill good potential as
leaders of our nation. Because we are in nations, we
have to organize in that way. And this symposium allows
us to show them how to nation build and organize
in three faces. As it relates to music, as it
relates to financial literacy, and I ain't talking about no
get rich quick schemes. Were talking about building the financial

(58:48):
form of stability and the foundation. And as far as
political organizing, and when I say organizing, I'm not talking
about get out the vote. We're not talking about once
every four years. We're talking about actual nation building. Ablished
a report among your family and building something where you know,
we we we overstand how African people ancestrally did politics

(59:09):
and civic engagement. You know it was the end was
to establish strong nations and we have to get back
into that our yield.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Brother Sam, hold on for a second here, Charles is
calling for Baltimore. Has a question for your brothers. He's
on line three. Grant rising Charles, your army brother saying,
go and brother Sam. PK.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
Collins, Yes, how you doing, brother.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Gat gotta ask, yeah, I gotta ask, you know, where
do y'all get this from? Because the world was populated
all at one time and it was never explored. I mean,
they went around Africa when they were trying to find America,
and I looked up when did they actually explore Africa

(59:59):
because they explored the whole world and there saying that
it was in the nineteen hundreds. So I'm not understanding
how all people, all plants, all animals, how everything come
from Africa like that's the hub of the world. I
just don't understand that, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Y'all, So keep listening. Brother Saint God will school you. Brother,
Thank you for your call.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
I need some proof from y'all. I don't have any
proof from y'all. Y'all keep stating this. We were already
here in America. We are American Indians. You keep talking
about what the foreigners are talking about? What about what
really happened? Where the facts? Where's the proof?

Speaker 9 (01:00:41):
Is?

Speaker 10 (01:00:41):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Understand? Just hold on, let them let them respond. Ch'alls.
We got the Just a good question, and I thank
you for your call. Brother, same god, brother Sam, you
want to respond to what he just said?

Speaker 8 (01:00:50):
Very hard to respond to that call, because obviously my
brother has not done the proper research and understand really
how humanity came into existence in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Has That's why I ask you a question. So why
are you defining the question?

Speaker 10 (01:01:03):
Period?

Speaker 14 (01:01:06):
I ain't nobody duncking that question, bro, Like that's an
anti African question, and that just shows your ignorance. With
all due respect, take a DNA test, man, Take a
DNA test and see where you're from. Point blank. It
cost three hundred dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:01:20):
Bro, And that's a fact. That is factual. Cal Can
we move on?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah? And that's just that's just an indication of some
of the thoughts that some of the black folks out
there have you know what I'm saying. So I'm glad
you addressed it.

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
Laying to your earlier brothers all kim all skin folks
and Kim folks. Some people are lost and confused and
following misinformation that have not done keep detailed research. All
you got to do is do a DNA test. That's
that's what. Thank you Sam for that answer, because the
brother is definitely confused. But can we move on call?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Of course we got somebody else want to talk to you.
But I'm happy that you're responding to such a way
because this is what we were talking about, Kevin and
I brother sang God that once you hear information, because
we're still learning and people don't get that information. They
still hold on to the old information, despite they've got
new information that invalidates what they think they know, you know,

(01:02:17):
they still won't let it go. As I mentioned, I
got some more folks want to talk to you, Brothers.
Fourteen half the top there. Cliff's calling from Connecticut. Has
a question for you, brothers. Grand Rising Cliff, you're on
My brother Sangor and brother Sam, P. K.

Speaker 16 (01:02:28):
Collins, Grandpris and brother Colin. Grandbrithers into these brothers man,
I love what I'm hearing, and I really appreciate it
and respect that. And so if I could ask a
question with all due respect, it's very religious foundation. So
in other words, Christian or any other type of African
traditional religion in which you brothers are affiliated with, I will.

Speaker 8 (01:02:54):
Answer real quickly. My brother. We know the answer is no.
All kinds of brothers and sisters with all kinds of
various different religious beliefs, but spiritually we're one. We're won people.
We were taught in the Govery movement. Let me say this,
we were taught in the Govery movement that no political

(01:03:17):
machinations or religious scrupios divide us. So if you're a
Christian should not be attacking a Muslim, you should be
unifying with them. If you're African. You see, we got
to get away from this whole thing, Malcolm X told her.
And I don't know whether you studied, Malcolm, but Malcolm
made it very clear.

Speaker 14 (01:03:38):
You said no.

Speaker 8 (01:03:39):
And what I'm saying to you is that we have
love for all of our brothers and sistans. And in fact,
if you check the history, there is no religion that's
come into existence that did not come from an African
source of spirituality. So we're not anti any We're not
anti any religion. We're not anti any people that practice. However,
we want them not to bring their differences to the

(01:04:02):
table to go into war. When we all African people,
we have different tribes, we have different religious persuasions, but
we are spiritually. When we say one guy one ain't one.
That's the need. We know we are one. And so
matter how you come into that, you have to be
humble and respect the fact that your brother or your sister,

(01:04:23):
who may be in a different religious persuasion, is still
your brother and sister. And that's why race verse is
so important and unification. And we know African Christians, African Muslims,
African Europe's, African Communiticians, African Buddhists who are all working together.
So it is the fact that it can happen. In fact,

(01:04:45):
it is important for us to have a spiritual understanding.
Religion was designed to put us back on a spiritual path,
not take us off the spiritual path, and not have
us fighting one another. So I appreciate your question, brother,
but we have love for all Africans people, regardless to
what religious persuasion or spiritual practice they may have.

Speaker 16 (01:05:06):
Brother, I look at response and peace and love and
much respect to you as well. Brother. Yes, I'm loving it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:05:12):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
All right, thank you, Cliff. We gonna step aside. We've
got some more folks want to talk to Brother Seingo
by a Brother Sam PK. Collins joined us of Garvey
its discussing this the sixty sam F Annual Convention conference
taking place. Is this all this week in Washington, d C.
You want to join this conversation with them, reach out
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

(01:05:33):
seventy six. I'll take your phone calls next and Grand
Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on this Monday morning,

(01:05:54):
the first Monday in August, Black August. Brother Seango bay
As and Brother Sam PK. Collins our guest this morning,
both explaining what Black August is and they're having a
big conference taking place uh later this week, the sixty
seventh Aniel Conference put on by you and I aac
L Marcus Garfage Group. But before we do that, Dan
is calling from Tacoma Park in Maryland Online three and

(01:06:15):
Dan wants to respond to Charles's question. So Dan, I'm
gonna give you a shot. Go ahead, he there Dan.
Apparently Dan, it's not there, So let's move on. Brother
samgua you wanted to say something, go ahead?

Speaker 8 (01:06:30):
Yeah, yeah, Sam is gonna have to leave shortly. And
the way, I wanted to make sure that the young
people understand parents and youth organize us, how they can
get in contact with us. And also I would like
him to talk a little bit about Hasanachu. I know
he's got to go, but it's important.

Speaker 12 (01:06:45):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
People can call two O two three oh six six
two nine four or two O two two five six
two five one eight.

Speaker 11 (01:06:52):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:06:52):
There is a small fee registration fee for your youth.
We're looking for people who can sponsor their youth parents,
et cetera to get him there. We want to make
sure people understand that and also understand that it's an
important event where you will learn about music, financial literacy,
and political organizing. But Mama Hassa not to who many

(01:07:13):
people in the DC area may be aware of, but
she's a very powerful system. Were not just arnoring Renoko
doing this this this form. I want Sam to talk
a little bit about that, and I hope you got
a little time to talk a little bit about Black August.
Because Sam is one of the young brothers and sisters
who's been dealing with Black August for a long time. Sam,
could you go ahead? And I know you got to go,
but could you get some things in now?

Speaker 14 (01:07:36):
I can live a case from Sam to Mama Hasinatsu.
Mama Hasinatsu a real DC soldier, Black Power soldier at Debt.
She came out of H Street, DC. She studied under
the noble ancestor Quameto Ray. Her involvement in the at

(01:07:57):
R T during the latter part of the twenty century
and to some extent, you know, even in the twenty
first century, and even as an elder, you know, she
continued educating in the African centate community.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
If you went to.

Speaker 14 (01:08:13):
Any institution in the DC area, you most likely knew her.
But I knew Mama Hasta Nasu just coming up we
want to study circles and seeing her as the elder
voice in the room, really making the materials come alive
for us, those of us who were younger and just
coming into the movement by way of protesting and whatever else.

Speaker 15 (01:08:34):
But she was a real organizer.

Speaker 14 (01:08:36):
She was somebody who broke down what Pan Africanism means
of course, she took on the definition that Kwame and
Kruman had, you know, conceptualized as it relates to a
United Africa under socialism, and I take no issue with that.
But I'm saying all of that to make the point
that she was a very foundational part of my education

(01:08:59):
as the Nationalists a Garbyite in just the sense that
you know, especially in DC, you get a wide variety
or white spectrum of Pan African thought, and Mama Haa
Sanatu played a very very powerful thought, very very very
powerful part in that. As a matter of fact, Mama
ha Sinatu was the second Black power enforcer. The first

(01:09:20):
Black power enforcer doesn't quite come to my mind right now,
but I call her the Black Power Enforcer, and I
have her picture on my fridge right now, and i've
had and I've had that since her transition about seven
to eight years ago. This relates to Black August because
Black August is a time of studying. It's a time

(01:09:41):
of fast thing that you choose to do so, but
you're highly encouraged to and it's the time of just
organizing and revitalizing ourselves, you know, for the constant fight
that is ahead of us. And August educationally, you know,
as it relates to our people, it's a very very
powerful month because a lot had and in August we're
talking about Red Thumb in nineteen nineteen. We're talking about

(01:10:04):
the first arrival of Africans and what would later become
the US Empire. We're talking about the honorable Marks in
the side, Garfy's Earth Day. You know, just quite a
lot happened. We're even talking about Liberian Flag Day on
August twenty fourth, you know, go figure.

Speaker 13 (01:10:19):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:10:19):
So August is a very powerful month. It's Leo season
going in the Virgo season, two very powerful signs, and
it's the time for us to recalibrate the honorable George Jackson.
If you haven't read Solid Dad, Brothers or Blood in
My Eyes, I highly suggest you do so, very very
popular prison literature that has awoken or awaken raptors many

(01:10:42):
your brother and sister and the Belly of the Beast,
Because the belly of the Beast is George Jackson, say,
is the most accurate representation of our situation as a peacher,
you know, and the system has done quite a number
in isolating our brothers and sisters who are currently locked up,
you know, in terms of just controlling their movements, controlling

(01:11:03):
their access to family and their materials, and they often
get forgotten about. As a matter of fact, DC's one
of the more liberal cities when it comes to reconstituting
returning citizens voting rights in the such when they come
back home. But a more conservative Red States they still,
you know, use incarceration as an extension of chattel slavery,

(01:11:25):
and they use the Thirteenth Amendment, you know, as a
way to monetize, you know, our bondage as a people
in the twenty first century. And this is something that
we have to understand. And this is the last point
I'll make because you know, this is especially important for
our young people. Our young people have taken that edgy
of Black August and without even knowing it, they've bastardized it.

(01:11:46):
To give my language, I hope the FCC doesn't get
on y'all, but they've bastardized you know, Black Office in
the sense that they're getting convictions for killing their own people.
They're getting convictions for terrorizing their neighborhoods. Instead of use
and that energy to build among one another and protect ourselves,
you know, they get the whole concept of anti police

(01:12:07):
and schmitt and like anti snitching, they get it all
messed up and they and they've gangsed it as it
instead of using it or just overstanding where it came from.
So Black August is our opportunity to recalibrate that and
hopefully educate our people, because there are even people within
the returning citizens community who are leading our people astraight.

(01:12:28):
And I'm not talking about any particular person. There's just
an energy that I'm speaking at Sam PK. Collins, There's
an energy that I wish that you know, a certain
segment of our returning citizens population could use when it
comes to Black August to help you calibrate our young people,
because our young people, from what I'm seeing, are constantly
thinking that prison is a part of life when it

(01:12:48):
shouldn't be. Prisons should not be the Black Man's College,
you know, and it was created as Smitch. But we
have to find a way to avoid getting our young
people caught up in that. And that comes from strong
families that come to studying. That comes from taking on
a spiritual liberty right that's not religious, but one that
is focused on bettering our people. And that's what Black
Aufice is about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
And Sam, let me ask you this, though, for our
young people, what age When we say young people, are
we talking about young adults? So it's about teenagers or
younger than that? What sort of young people should be involved? Though,
you're trying to attract to this convention of conference if you.

Speaker 14 (01:13:24):
Will, I said twelve to eighteen. But you know, we're
taking adolescents and even young adult adolescents. That's a very
critical age for them in terms of they're forming an
independent thinking if they haven't done so already, they deviate
from what their parents are doing and thinking, and they
take on the thinking of their peers. So we are
actually in competition with their peers, and we are losing,

(01:13:47):
quite frankly, because there's a disconnect, a cultural disconnect that
we have been balkanized as a community. Our young people
have their own communities, their own way of thinking, and
you know, off sometimes as elders, we dismissed them instead
of trying to overstand them and meet them where they are,
to bring them where we are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
So yeah, are you trying to reach them where they are?
Because where there are many of those young people, though, Sam,
are on the internet, that you know that they are
either playing games or the Internet is their buddies. Are
you reaching them there?

Speaker 14 (01:14:22):
We're a nation though, I'm still here.

Speaker 9 (01:14:24):
Can y'all hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Yeah, I'm saying, are you reaching the young people? You're
using the internet to reach the young people.

Speaker 14 (01:14:30):
I don't use the internet. The internet's one tool.

Speaker 11 (01:14:32):
You got to be on the ground.

Speaker 14 (01:14:34):
You got to be on the ground. They got to
see you, they got to feel you, They got to
get to know you. They got to know that you're genuine.
The Internet is not the one all be all to
reach young people. Young people they hide behind the internet.
When you get to know them, when they feel your
energy and they know that you're with them and you're
not judging them, then they'll be with you. And there's
a lot of young people, especially on the South Side.

(01:14:56):
Shout out to Collete Bars, shout out to Corey all
mixed right, shout out to a Naya Coffee right. A
lot of young people, people going out of high school
into college that are organizing in their own way, even
if it's not African center. But they got to race
consciousness because because they've lived in majority black communities and

(01:15:17):
despite what they've seen they have a vision based on unity. Well,
you got to meet them on the ground, You got
to let them talk, and you got to offer that
help not change them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
In thirty minutes at the top of our family, just
checking in brother seang by as Rus and brother Sam
peque constant another Sam has to run. But Sam the
younger people younger, not the young adults, not the teenagers.
But how old do you think young people? Uh, well,
their children, you know, how old do you think they
can process what you were teaching and preaching?

Speaker 14 (01:15:51):
That's a good question, you know, it depends on how you,
you know, develop the curriculum. I would say, you know,
oftentimes with the younger people, you got to give it
to them in fund bite sized waves, make them more interactive.
But I would say late elementary and middle school it
oftentimes that period where you have to give it to

(01:16:12):
them raw and real. I would even say, by fourth
or fifth grade.

Speaker 8 (01:16:17):
Well, let me let me, let me, let me chime in,
let me chime in on this real quickly if I could.
I was at the Watermelon Day spent at Sankopha and
the majority of the youth they were there were under twelve,
and they were loving the energy brother Bomani Armah who
hosted the Watermelon pre Watermelon by the way outside of

(01:16:39):
Sant Copa, and you can you can definitely see what
Sam just said. It depends on how you reach out
to them, because you can teach you through music, proper music,
so called hip hop, and that's what Bomani Arma does.
But what I'm saying was not just him. All of
the artists that were there had totally good vibes coming

(01:17:03):
from the under twelve children enjoying positive messages coming from
the presentations that were made. So what I will say
to you, as an elder who has grandchildren that are
grown now, is that you have to, as Sam say,
understand the basics of building family and nationhood. You have
to be able to listen to your children, no matter

(01:17:25):
how young they are, even when they come in air infants.
We have a sister name akoua are Coup that deals
just had a young child that was just started walking
when we were at a youth camp in South Carolina.
So I say start early. Parents need to be educated,

(01:17:47):
and we need to start with our children as early
as possible, and then as they grow up, as Sam say,
from twelve to eighteen, you need to provide them with
proper direction in music literas, financial literacy, and political organizing.
And you be surprised. I mean, listen, I'm gonna close
on this point, Malcolm, Malcolm, doctor King. All of them

(01:18:12):
were in their thirties, I mean considered young, young activists.
So we need to overstand. Garvey at twelve and thirteen
years of age was learning how to print and read books.
So whenever you reach young people, you need to reach
them and you need to have the kind of heart

(01:18:33):
Sam that's talking about where you got to listen to them,
and you got to guide them, and you gotta love them.
I like to call it giving them love, electricity, style
and understanding that Tony Martin told me, And I know
you got to go slam. Tony Martin told me single.
There is no movements in the world, particularly African movements,
that have risen without the involvement of youth and women.

(01:18:57):
Youth and women, the majority of Africa on the continent
that are looking for a way out are young. So
it's very very important for us to recognize, as Sam
so articulately said, they are the future liberators of us
in Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
All right. Twenty six away from the topic. I got
a tweet question for you, fellas. Please get on the
website for the u NI event, the one A.

Speaker 8 (01:19:24):
You can go to www dot you n i a
at l r ST twenty twenty dot com and you
can also call us and you can also email us
for any details for questions. Because all of the public
events that we're having have a small feed, and it's
a small feed for streaming, so no matter where you

(01:19:46):
are in the world, you can participate with all the
public events by streaming. So we will be putting all
that information out of how people can register, but you
can contact us through the website. Sam has got to
go I know saying if you want any close remarks,
please go ahead because I know you got to move forward.

Speaker 14 (01:20:06):
Yeah, Please tell your young people, encourage them to come out.
Might even need to force them because we got a
lot of good programming for them. Shout out to cis
a Tea ball Lacy, Shout out to sister at Lances Broder,
brother Kai Johnson, Mama, toddd Johnson and out of shot Town.
You know, we've been planning this for quite a few

(01:20:28):
weeks now, and this is a program that builds up
upon the program last year that we did that was
very in an active you know education to a Brother
Carl's point, you can catch them on the internet if
you want, but when you're in their presence, it's got
to be just like the internet, quick, snappy, very engaging,

(01:20:48):
and we promise to do that for the young people,
especially as the summer closes out. We want to give
them something that they can take with them into the
school year to be the best that they can be
and to stay away from bad influences.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
All right, thanks Sam, and thank you for sharing your
thoughts with us. So we'll shave this later this week.

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Yeah, and uh, I want to also he held up
Everlasting Life because they've been so gracious to house us.
They have a brad event coming up with James Small's
coming there on the ninth, so you know, just tune in,
you know, to Everlast in Life. But that's where we
will be.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:21:23):
We're so happy that Brother Baruk has that vegan restaurant
and complex on Central Avenue and that's where we will be.
So I just want to make sure call everyone is
very clear. They can call us at two O two
two five six two five.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
One eight for questions or yeah, yeah, I'm going to say, God,
when you get a phone on it, give it slowly
because folks when I be driving going to work and
they gotta grab a pan or write it down. So
just through it again, real slow.

Speaker 8 (01:21:50):
All right. That's three oh one eight oh two, four
oh two two or two o two two five six
two five one eighth, or you can go to our
website and you'll see our email and that's uh U
n I A acl RC twenty twenty dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
All right, and hold that thought right there and we'll
give out of information before you leave. But we got
to get caught up at the latest news in that
for different cities and twenty three minutes away from the
top of our family, just checking in. I bet guests
brother saying good bay A. He's a gavyat and they
have a big event taking place all this week, part
of Black of August. You want to speak to him,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight seventy six and the ticket calls after

(01:22:36):
the news that's next.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for starting your week with us.
It's sixteen minutes away from the top they are. It's August,
of course, the first Monday in August, and it's a
Black August for many folks and those of you who
are listening probably wondering what is Black August. Well, Brother
Seango bay it gave it is here to tell us
about Black August. You'd like to speak to him, reach
out to us eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

(01:23:26):
seventy six. It's also discussing the sixty seventh International Convention
started by Garvey's group, the EU and i AAC l
r C twenty twenty and this is going to take
place in Washington, d C. At in Camp Heights. So
we're going to give you more information that before Brother
Sangoa leaves us. Before we go back to him, though,
I just want to remind you. Coming up late this morning,
we're gonna speak with doctor David Horn. Doctor David Horn's

(01:23:48):
a pan afganist and also one of our top scholars.
We're going to talk about lot of stuff with doctor Horn.
And late this week is we're going to hear from
Professor James Small, also a political blog of Brandon's going
to join us and Professor May and Pen will also
be here. So if you're in Baltimore, make sure you're
radio Captain light Tight right here on ten ten WLB.
Or if you're in the DMV, you're on FM ninety

(01:24:09):
five point nine and AM fourteen fifteen w L. I'll
tell you a second. Let's try Dan again at Tacoma Park.
Last time we went to him, we didn't hear him,
so hopefully still because he had a response to Charles's
earlier questions. Dan in Tacoma Park on line three, Grand Rising.

Speaker 17 (01:24:25):
Hi, good morning. Yes, the gentleman who called in. The
last gentleman he called in and he said, you know,
he tells your two guests that's you know, how do
you know what's your proof? We're all from Africa, and
you know, and you know, he was kind of in disbelief,
and you know, the guests, you know, they gave him

(01:24:49):
some feedback, you know, like you could get a DNA
test and other things. But you know, gentlemen like that
and a lot of other people. U probably I'd just
like to give them a little bit more to help
them understand what the guests are saying is correct. Uh,

(01:25:10):
And I understand whether the caller is coming from because
we were absolutely taught you know that the whole basis
of eugenics in terms of white supremacy, and that we
are sort of second class citizens. It necessitated that, you know,

(01:25:32):
the truth about our origins not be revealed. And so
in in schools and colleges and all of this, this
stuff was hidden from us. So I understand the I
don't like to use the term ignorance because some people
think it's you know, it's it's it's negative. But I
understand the uh, the sort of a lack of information.
And I remember being taught in college that the books

(01:25:55):
like by the Art, the Home or the Iliad and
the Odyssey, these were like the first rich works of man,
sort of like the height of civilization. And when those
books was written by those Europeans, uh, you know we
we we were in Egypt, we had built pyramids, we
had universities, we were writing you know, love letters to

(01:26:16):
our girlfriends. Uh, twenty five years before this so called
height of literature was written by our Europeans.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:26:27):
Uh Africans. If the the gentleman who called in said, well,
you know, uh, how do how do we know this?
I've done research. Well, even though they hid this from
us historically, now they cannot. Too much time has passed
and too too much has been revealed. They anthropologists and

(01:26:52):
archaeologists UH used to suppress this uh around you know back.
You know, historically they found out that the original human
being came from the fertile Crescent of the Nile. This
was documented one hundreds of years ago, but it wasn't released.

(01:27:17):
Now the gentleman said, who called in that he researched it.
He can simply type in where were the first humans from?
And it will tell him. This is what it will
tell him. The first human humans, specifically Homo sapiens, originated
in Africa. Fossil evidence suggests that Homo sapiens evolved in

(01:27:37):
Africa around three hundred thousand years ago, according to according
to the Smithsonian Institute Human Origins Program. While Homo sapiens
evolved in Africa, other early humans species existed earlier and
also originated on the continent the earliest.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Thank you for cleaning that up for us down. We
got to move on, but thank you for calling in,
and hopefully he'll do that. You know, sometimes people, you know,
one of the things that once you learned something, it's
hard to unlearn because somebody told you something you don't
do your own research. But hopefully he'll do He'll do
what you just explained to him, because that's what brother saying.
God's China. But you went more clinical with it. But

(01:28:20):
I thank you for you.

Speaker 17 (01:28:22):
Can I give you one more tidbit? Car Sure, So
when I heard your guests talk about the Cocosoil mountains,
when we originated on the African continent, we we sort
of migrated and developed in other places. And so there's
a reason that Blacks advanced and build pyramids and and

(01:28:45):
developed this, you know, the math and science and astrology
and medicine and law. It's a reason that blacks did that.
For Europeans. When your peins left and went to those mountains,
it was cold, so they was they lived in the
mountains that their evolution were required them to grow hair
to stay warm. Their their nostrils no stin to heat

(01:29:05):
the air before it went into their lungs their skin.
They lost their melanin and they couldn't go out and
explore and like we could in Africa develop and advance further.
Every kids.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Anyway, I could go on, but yeah, but I'm glad
you said that's that's the teachers of doctor Ivan van Certim.
But you know, I was hoping somebody would come with that.
But thanks Dan, and thank you for sharing that. You're welcome,
all right, brother saying God.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
In fact, I want to thank my brother for taking
taking us on that journey.

Speaker 10 (01:29:36):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:29:36):
It is important though, for people to tune into your
show to listen to the guests that you bring on.
You said James Malls was coming. Many many, many scholars
have done the research our brother just talked about. But
that's a whole lesson in itself to teach people how
to do proper research. So I'll stop right there. But
I appreciate you calling them, brother and giving up those facts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Thank you, all right, Thanks Dan. Brother sant kall nine
away from the top of Mama latis calling for Maryland.
I want to speak to you. She's on line four.
Grand Rising, Mama Lattie, you'm my brother, Saint.

Speaker 18 (01:30:11):
Gore, Grand rising brother Kaul, and grand rising to your guest,
brother Saint Paul. And I didn't get the name of
the other brother. I am so delighted to.

Speaker 14 (01:30:21):
Hear them this morning.

Speaker 18 (01:30:22):
I'm from Ghana, West Africa. I've been here in the
United States all my life. I came as a baby. However,
my mom and my dad made sure that I knew
my history because my dad was a merchant marine. That's
how I met my mother over in Ghana back in
fifty seventh. Oh, you know, I've been here for a
long time now. I just heard all of this wonderful

(01:30:45):
news when I woke up. I want to meet these
brothers when they come to Maryland. I think he had
both of the addresses, fifty five twenty five Harford Road
and fifteen oh five Utah Place. I didn't get a
time on that.

Speaker 8 (01:31:05):
Okay, yeah, I'm here. I'm still here, Carl. Actually, you
can definitely contact the group in Baltimore that's hosting that uh,
the PLM, that's the Pan African Liberation Movement and h
I'm going I'm going to get the information for you.
But if you call me or you reach out to
any of us, we can give you the detailed information,

(01:31:27):
tell you how to get to their website, and tell
you all the details about that conference, because we will
be happy to connect with you there. And not only us,
we'll be there, but Marimba I me, I don't know
whether you're familiar with her. She's a very powerful sister,
and there'll be some powerful sisters there. Uh, because we
do believe that kingdom will never come until Queendom comes first.

Speaker 13 (01:31:49):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:31:50):
You were born.

Speaker 8 (01:31:51):
You were born in the Black.

Speaker 18 (01:31:52):
Born in Donah, West Africa, in the curnt.

Speaker 8 (01:31:55):
We love your sister, you hour sister, and we love
I was so delight it when.

Speaker 18 (01:32:00):
I heard you giving us, giving all that information up,
and it was so much.

Speaker 6 (01:32:05):
I have about two pages of notes it.

Speaker 18 (01:32:08):
But I need that number. You gave it a little
too fast two O two three oh six, and then
I got lost in the sauce. So I need the
numbers where I can at least contact one of you
or either both of you.

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
All right, Well, I'm going to give you the specific
website that you can go to the register for that conference.
It's the www dot p.

Speaker 18 (01:32:31):
L M.

Speaker 9 (01:32:34):
Dot org.

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
And then I'll give you my number as well, and
you can text me and I'll make sure I send
you the information the flyers so you can get all
the details. My number is two O two two five
six two five one eight.

Speaker 18 (01:32:50):
Five one.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (01:32:54):
Thank you, and you you know you you're born in
the Black Star State. We like to all Ghana the
Black Star State because honorable Kami and Chroma understood Gary
and despite all of his studies, he knew that Garvey
was correct in fact, and Kromer spent time with Garbyites
here in the States when he was in phillip in Pennsylvania.

(01:33:15):
So anyway, it's all of one family and we have
a division in I'm so glad.

Speaker 18 (01:33:21):
Yeah, I was born the year he was assassinated.

Speaker 6 (01:33:25):
Yes, he put me on the he put me my dad.

Speaker 12 (01:33:28):
He said, you have to study these people.

Speaker 18 (01:33:30):
They we hap, Yeah, we had.

Speaker 9 (01:33:34):
He was working.

Speaker 8 (01:33:35):
We have people in Ghana working with us. Right now
as I speak to you, I'm.

Speaker 18 (01:33:40):
So I'm so happy to see that uh uh Africa
is finally united to get these Europeans from coming up
in there and taking about all of our wealth, you know,
any kind of way like they've done. They've done it
too long. You know, we have to stand and we
have to get to get them to stop this, no
matter where we are. And when I heard what I

(01:34:03):
heard this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
I said, thank God.

Speaker 18 (01:34:05):
I know there are people everywhere, and you know what,
all of these groups are going to come together and
we're going to get this thing done. It's time. Can't
we can't sit on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Thanks Mama Latti, thanks your call. Let me ask you,
do you feel this awakening taking place across the entire
dashboard right now? Are you feeling that?

Speaker 9 (01:34:29):
Yes, I'm feeling it.

Speaker 18 (01:34:30):
Not only that it's starting in the diaspora, but it's
also spreading like wild flows, because.

Speaker 6 (01:34:37):
It really needs to.

Speaker 18 (01:34:38):
Now, you know, they have run them up with us
long enough, and we've just been so nice and so passive. No,
we can't be passive anymore. So wherever we are, you
gave us good advice. Do what you can, do what
you know where I'm a retired science teacher. I'm doing
whatever I can to teach my grandchildren, my children. I've

(01:35:02):
always taught my children, but my grandchildren.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
They have to know where they stand.

Speaker 18 (01:35:08):
I'm forty eight years old, sixty eight years young.

Speaker 6 (01:35:11):
Absolutely thank you for sharing that with us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, alrighty four away from the top, all of you
all right?

Speaker 18 (01:35:21):
Seeing you when you come to Baltimorerow, I'm going to
introduce myself because I usually write all the black Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:35:29):
All right, you to detailed information.

Speaker 18 (01:35:32):
Okay, all right, I appreciate that.

Speaker 13 (01:35:34):
I will do that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:36):
You have a wonderful day, and God bless you too.

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
Much system, all.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Right, and hold that thought right there, Brother saying, we
got a step aside and get caught up with the
latest trafficking weather a different cities. I'll let you finish
when we get back. Family, you two can join this
discussion with brother saying, go bayya, he's a gafy. He's
talking about Black August. Reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls after the traffic and weather.
That's next.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
With the most awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Grand Rising Family. Thanks for rolling with us on this
Monday morning, the first Monday in August. It's a black
August and they're going to hear that phrase quite a
bit this month. And those of you probably have never
heard of black August and now will be know what
he really means and why its celebrated. In fact, Brother
Sean go by, hey, he's with us. He's a gafat
and they're having their sixty seventh International Convention in Washington,

(01:36:48):
d C. And he's going to tell us all about
that moment. Tell but Bobby is calling us from Virginia.
Has a question for Brother Sangor grand Rising. Bobby, your
question for brother sangor grand Rising?

Speaker 8 (01:36:59):
My brother, how you doing while I'm still learning?

Speaker 19 (01:37:02):
Call my consirious because I've called you show many times before.
My consirious is.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
I don't know how, brother, God's what knowledge?

Speaker 19 (01:37:13):
But how do people keep bringing doctor King's name up
with Marcus and knock him? I don't get that. Oh,
by the way, I'm a historian, brother, so please don't
go there. You know what I'm going with this about
that doctor King. So if we're not gonna tell our
people the truth about doctor King, I think we now
you mentioned doctor King because you know what Malcolm said.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
And we researched it in this ballad.

Speaker 19 (01:37:35):
So how are you mentioning doctor King with mockling?

Speaker 10 (01:37:39):
And Dobby?

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
I want you address that for me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
All right, thanks Bobby, brother, brother still with us. I'm
hearing some sound in the back. I'm not sure where
that's come from. Eric Kevin, can you drop lines four
and two for us? Here's some audio coming through there,
My brother. Do you heard Bobby's question?

Speaker 8 (01:38:02):
Yes, you can't. You cannot. You cannot take away our
ancestors positive works. And doctor King had some positive works
that he did and despite the fact most people deal
with aspects of Doctor King that might not be favorable
to the people who loved Malcolm. Doctor King was later
years practicing Pan Africanism. He spoke about Marcus Garvey, he

(01:38:26):
traveled to Africa, he did good things. So I understand
where my brother's coming from. But we cannot get caught
up in ideological battles, particularly with ancestors that are no
longer with us. People that are no longer with us.
We have to hel up everybody from collegey Woodson to
all of our ancestors that had positive contributions. I happened

(01:38:46):
to be a young man at the mall when Doctor
King spoke, a young eleven and a half years of age.
So I saw the energy. I felt what he was saying.
I understood clear. That helped me on my journey to
find Malcolm, to find Garby and all the others. So
I will say to my brother, you know, it's nothing

(01:39:09):
wrong with you have in your opinion. But the fact
of the matter is, once you become an ancestor, we
don't beat up on you. We accept all the great
works that you did, and we know you're in the
world when work in your mojo, simple as that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Yeah, and also Doctor King of Malcolm a conversion on
their ideas and that some people think that's one of
those questions that was target.

Speaker 8 (01:39:29):
We need to do the detailed research because it's clear,
it's very clear. But I understand where my brother's coming from.
I understand his point, but I want to make it
clear to him we want to be united. Once you
have left this life and become an ancestor, then that
is unification in the ancestral realm, that is spiritual power.

(01:39:50):
And so we don't need to be negating even WB
the Boy. We don't need to attack everybody that because
of their shortcomings. Godby was a man. He made mistakes too.
We all make mistakes. We all have shortcomings. But it's
to bring back all the positive achievements that you've done
and accentuate them and any mistakes that were made historically,

(01:40:11):
we are the ones that should strive to correct them. Period.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Let me ask you this for your event coming up later,
brother saying, is there a theme for it?

Speaker 8 (01:40:21):
Yes, for the public events. There's a small fee for
the events that are taking place of fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Theme not a fee, a theme.

Speaker 8 (01:40:30):
A theme of course, organized organized unity seize the time. Organization,
whether the Kwame terad was clear, we need to organize
and organize, and if you're in an organized body, you
need to hook up with other organized bodies. And that's
why the race first concept is so important because we

(01:40:50):
are no we are no enemies to any of our
brothers and sisters that are striving to uplift us. Everybody
is Renoco used to say, can do something. Everybody has
something to contribute. Everybody has a cosmic assignment that they
need to find out what it is, how they could
do it. And we need to stop beating up on
one another and attacking one another because we have a

(01:41:10):
difference of opinion that is not African, that is European.
That is the cocazoid energy, that is your roogoup in
us that has been programmed into us through miseducation. As
doctor Carterage Whitson said and so many others, is so
important for us to be able to humble ourselves, listen

(01:41:32):
and learn from each other and not always attack each other,
but learn.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
You know what brother saying God. Doctor Fox talked about
that Friday, the five core White values, and one of
them is who's black of it? You know we're always
in competition. We feel we have to be in competition
or or or a group of us who's black or
who's more cultural than the other person. And that he says,
is a wide addiction. So I'm glad you just mentioned that.

Speaker 8 (01:41:58):
Just given a chance this device call call, let me
break it down like this. In a family, your husband
and wife, nobody is going to agree on everything all
the time. It's always going to be differences.

Speaker 9 (01:42:09):
But what we need to do in.

Speaker 8 (01:42:11):
Building a family is understanding. You need to listen, You
need to learn from each other and and not fight
one another. See, that's that's we are not a violent people.
Violence and fighting comes from the Arugu who kills mans,
drugs and robs. That's not our culture. That's what we

(01:42:31):
got to get it out of us. That's why it's
too many of our own people have been always want
to fight one another, They always want to come against
one another, they always want to attack one another. That
is because you've been programmed by your Rugu to bring
that negative out of you. And I always want to
make it clear we have to yield and listen and

(01:42:53):
learn and do your research and stop being so always
ready to attack. If you want to attack something, attack
it within yourself and do your own self development, Meditate, elevate,
and calm yourself down when it comes down to hearing
something that you're not familiar with, and go to the
books and read and study, and stop always wanting to

(01:43:16):
come against somebody that is divisive. That's what's kept us apart,
that's what keeps us fighting. So a husband and wife
need to learn how to take from each other and
to build the oneness amongst them, and to not always
think that just because your wife or your husband has
a difference of opinion, that you're supposed to split up.
You're supposed to learn from one another and gain from

(01:43:38):
one another, because everybody has something to add, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Tennor after the top, doctor horns on take before we
go to him.

Speaker 8 (01:43:45):
Though, Doctor Horn, don't cut here sure.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
But before we do that, though, can you tell us
about the event, give us the all of the details.

Speaker 8 (01:43:52):
Well, doctor Horn can do it as well, because doctor
Horn not only is a great educator, he happens to
be the international organize of this movement that I'm talking
to you about. But we are hosting the convention of
the U n I E to sixty seventh International Convention
here at nine O three three Central Avenue, Capital Heights.

(01:44:13):
You can go to our website at U n I
A A cl r C twenty twenty dot com, or
you can call two oh two two six two five
one eight or three oh one eight oh two four
two two And let's be clear. Proverbs Reggae Band will
be with us Friday night. That's some mount of charge
of fifteen and you're fading.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Your voice is fading, brother Sangor.

Speaker 8 (01:44:37):
I don't know why a tribute to Renoko ras Citi
is going to be that Saturday the sixteenth, on his
Earth date. That's going to be an all day event.
Marcus mosaah Garby Earth Day tribute. Those are tributes that
you can stream them. Contact us and we'll let you know.
It's only ten dollars to stream them anywhere in the world,

(01:44:58):
so you'll be able to join us and our upliftment
and our culture roots and culture. There's nothing like dance
and movement and socialization. But we also have to free
our minds so that we can free our behinds. I
would like to just take quickly to my good brother
doctor Horn.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
A horn that's bringing doctor Horn, Doctor Horn's not in
doctor Horn.

Speaker 10 (01:45:26):
I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Oh okay, okay, say you want to say something.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
In doctor Horn.

Speaker 10 (01:45:31):
Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
I'm still black, still moving forward. Hey, and I'll see
you in a few days.

Speaker 8 (01:45:40):
I know you in a different time zone, but I
just wanted to hell you up. I know you're gonna
take charge and you're gonna speak truth to power as
you always do. Love you. Me and Sam did the
best we could in our two hours to let people
know we are one movement, one Africa, one movement, one God,
one aim, one destiny. So take it from there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
David referred, all right, thank you brother saying god. Doctor Horn.
Let me just tell a family Doctor Horn is a panafgonist.
Of course, he is a reparationist. It's also a critical
thinking expert. He taught critical thinking at the college level.
This is why we have him on so many times
because a lot of times when we're analyzing stuff, we

(01:46:19):
have to become critical thinkers. And some people have a problem.
We become because they hear something from somebody they like
or something and it appeals to them and they run
with it and they don't do their own research. And
even if they do their research and it's it's different
from what they have previously thought. They still are reluctant
to to you know, to accept the new teachings. So

(01:46:41):
this is why we have a Dr Horn with us.
Doctor Horn explained that that that process though as a
critical thinking, how can we use critical thinking to move
up to improve our ability to discern what what is
fake and what is real?

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
What what we can do is best to.

Speaker 10 (01:47:01):
Ask for evidence for whatever position people that are taking.
For example, our current president loves ad hominem. You know,
he loves to attack other people his argument. Whenever he

(01:47:22):
doesn't like what people are saying, it's to attack them,
to attack the person, you know, to call them a low,
low key or stupid criminal. Never address the issue itself.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
To attacked other people, and that's not.

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
That's not clear thinking. The other thing, you know, he
loves to do a straw man, you know, to misrepresent
another fun his argument so he can attack it. You know,
he loves to say, for example, that the black folk

(01:48:12):
who are striving to move forward are nothing but ghetto
draw rows and people who want to steal and break
into your house. Again, you find a way to confuse
whoever you are talking to, and never address anything clearly

(01:48:35):
by using devices which do not talk about the issue
at all. We have to always make people go back
to what the issue is and not allow them to
cloud the issue with well, I don't like you any way,
and your whole family is a bunch of liars or

(01:48:58):
you know you people. She'll stayed in slavery when we
when you had good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Why don't you be in And asked you this question though,
because we're come up and I asked this question since
we were on the political tip right here, doctor Horn.
He fired the lady who put out the and she's
just in charge the labor statistics, because she didn't like
He didn't like the figures. He didn't like the fact
that the economy it's not advance.

Speaker 10 (01:49:25):
You don't You don't address the issue. You address the person,
and you're wrong even about the person. Yeah, she simply
did what she's supposed to do. She looked at the numbers,
and she presented what the numbers said. He didn't want

(01:49:46):
to He didn't like to answer. He didn't like what
the numbers said that he economically is leading the country
off of a cliff.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
He didn't like that, And so you attacked.

Speaker 10 (01:49:58):
The messenger you don't want to do with the message,
so you attack the messenger.

Speaker 5 (01:50:03):
Clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Let me ask you this though, Doc, And we come
up on break, what does thattude of the credibility of now?
From going out now? Because he's going to appoint somebody
who will tell him what he wants to hear, so
we won't know how really bad the economy is doing.
In casing point before that she did these figures people wanted,
all these jobs that were lost, or all these lay offs,

(01:50:25):
all these people that they cut for all these government
agencies they cut, and yet so it wasn't being reflected
in the numbers that they kept telling us. It wasn't
being reflected. So she does a numbers and it's not
her alone that does it. She's got a team one
hundred people, right, She's got a team of people who
do it. And then all she does is the face

(01:50:45):
and reports it. So how can we trust from going
on further?

Speaker 20 (01:50:49):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Because he's going to point somebody who likes who's going
to like him, and it's going to give us numbers
that he approves of. How can we trust these numbers
going forward?

Speaker 10 (01:50:57):
Well, we we we can't trust the numbers unless we
can verify, you know, uh accept and verify, don't just accept.

Speaker 5 (01:51:16):
We there has to be.

Speaker 10 (01:51:18):
Another secondary voice UH Wall Street Jungle a a uh
US News and World Report, UH CBS News. Well, I'm
not gonna talk about them right now, but anyway, that
has to be another second, third, or fourth source to

(01:51:40):
verify whatever the numbers come out to be.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Right for a quick second. When we come back, we'll
talk politics. We'll talk Africa as well, and we'll talk
about the Sale Nations. What's going on there. You can
explain it, give us the latest what's going on with
the Sale Nations as well. Appreciate that as well. Do
you want to speak to our guest. His name is
doctor David Horn, and he used to be Professor David Horn.
As I mentioned, he taught critical thinking at the college level,

(01:52:06):
which is a skill that many of us have to
acquire to understand because, as somebody mentioned earlier, Dr Horner,
we've been programmed, we've been programmed to fight and hate
each other. But once you acquire the skill of critical thinking,
you can get around that. Eighteen half the top there.
I will take your phone calls now.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Grand Rising Family. We are one of our top scholars
with us this morning at twenty one minutes to after
the top of they are. His name is doctor David
Horn and he's a former professor college professor, a reparationists
as well. But doctor Horne, I got to ask you
this question about the National Urban League. Just this convention.
The concluded that, uh, a state of emergency exists for
Black America.

Speaker 10 (01:53:05):
Are they correct you said, or they being being you know, alamists.
They are not being Uh, they are not exaggerating their
ear is a state of emergency because number one, we
are all going to lose money given the prices that

(01:53:29):
are going to go up on everything. But in terms
of civil rights, in terms of what we've come to expect,
given all of the effort we put in, the Trump
administration is trying to take all of that away.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:53:49):
They basically say it, the voting rights should go away.
They say it that a bunch of the games that
have been made through your civil rights movement, all of
that needs to go to go to hell. We're not
interested in promoting anybody who's black or female unless you

(01:54:15):
used to be into wrestling or something. But we are
not interested in promoting qualified black folks, if you're black,
you can't be qualified. The Chump administration seems to be
moving us backwards, not forward. They have almost decimated the

(01:54:40):
Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department. Almost three quarters
of the lawyers that have either been fired or they
have quit. They are no longer pressing businesses for more

(01:55:04):
so called affirmative action. You know, we're in trouble under
under this particular administration. Yes, we're moving backwards. They are correct.
We are in a state of emergency right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
And they also talked about the fact that the major companies,
law law firms and universities and are also reversing d
I and also criticize uh social media companies as well.
So it seems like now they've moved that anything that
they think that supports black people into the mainstream and

(01:55:39):
they've Is it the thing, let me get put it
this way. Is it a feeling that they figure that
anything that we get somehow takes away from them? Is
that the feeling why he's going after d I.

Speaker 10 (01:55:49):
Yeah, mister Trump and his physicians go all the way
back to the the into a part five. If you
remember him publicizing all of that misinformation about how awful

(01:56:11):
these people who were who were supposedly the perpetrators of
a crime, how awful they were. He knew nothing about
any of them, did not even read the evidence, just
went off on a insult parade. Found out that none

(01:56:34):
of the five who had been accused and at first
convicted were guilty, and all of them got exonerated, And
he never did apologize. He still kept promoting the idea
that because most of you are lack or Puerto Rican

(01:56:58):
or something, you and I you must have committed the crime.
You must have done something wrong without evidence. He basically
tried to chast side and characterize a bunch of people.
Whether Urban League would say it, he's now that same
attitude to government. So we have to the Trump administration

(01:57:22):
inspiring all the prominent black people. They can find the
libraryan of Congress. They would fire all of the black
Congress people if he could find a way to do that. So, yes,
to answer your question, the Urban League said, we are

(01:57:46):
in a state of emergency. This particular administration must have
moved us backwards, not forwards.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Yeah, but let me jump in and ask you this question, though,
doctor Horn, do you think the majority of Black Americans understand.

Speaker 10 (01:57:58):
That No, they don't.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
They do not, not yet they will, but no, they
do not yet believe what they.

Speaker 10 (01:58:07):
Have been told. They don't believe what they are seeing.
They want to feel and believe that we are still
valued members of this society. The Trump administration seemed to
be bent on making us understand you are not valued

(01:58:27):
members and you can all leave. We don't want you here. No,
we haven't accepted that fact yet.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
So what is it going to take though, in your estimation,
wants he's going to take to wake up those folks
who are still asleep, because you know, check this out,
doctor Horn. We had a guy who called up on Friday.
He says he's still a trump sty. He still doesn't
say anything wrong with Donald Trump, and I take it
it was Black.

Speaker 10 (01:58:52):
Well, I cannot, I cannot order to comment on that
particular person since I didn't. I didn't I didn't get
enough information about him.

Speaker 5 (01:59:05):
But all I will say is you can believe what
you want to believe, but the truth will kick you
into behind.

Speaker 9 (01:59:16):
This.

Speaker 10 (01:59:17):
Under Trump, there will be an increasing amount of hospitality shown,
not just for the Datino population but for us. Again,
he has already assigned his people to try to eliminate

(01:59:41):
any kind of progress that black people have made. They
are trying to go back and change history so that
you know, nobody's going to talk about what black people
did to contribute to this America that we now have.

(02:00:02):
You would it's always only about white folks, and black
folks are only here to service white folks. Trump is
pushing that in his Education department. What it is it
going to take to wake us up? I invite all

(02:00:24):
of you listening to go to Montgomery, Alabama and to
look at the two great presentations sponsored and arranged by
lawyer Brian what is his brother lestling, Go and see

(02:00:53):
the Museum of African American History in Montgomery, and go
and see the Lynching memorial. We need to see both
of those, not too remind us of how things used
to be, but to make sure we understand where people

(02:01:18):
who support Trump are trying to take us.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
Yeah, let me jump in here, doctor Horne. At thirty
minutes at the top, they are what's going on in Texas,
and you see the Texas the governor, their Greg Abbot
is threatening to Jerry Man to redraw the districts to
ensure that the Republicans get more seats coming up in
the in the twenty eight election. And so the Democrats,
many of the that have left the state so that
they will be able to take a vote. Now he's

(02:01:45):
threatening to find them if they don't come back and
participate in the vote. So many of them went to
Illinois to sit out. And you know, but it depends
on how long can they sit it out. At some
point they have to go back to Texas. So I
want to get you this tactic that the Republicans are
using to ensure that Donald Trump or another Republican remains
in office. Do you think the Blue states like Newsom

(02:02:09):
in California, your state, should he respond to do the
same thing.

Speaker 10 (02:02:15):
Black folks have to organize themselves into political enclaves all
over the country. The Voting Rights Act is in deep trouble,
and yeah, a lot of Republicans in state offices are
trying to pass legislation.

Speaker 5 (02:02:37):
Which will take.

Speaker 10 (02:02:39):
All of the political rights that we have earned away
from us. We have to get into political organizations and
to political thank tanks and lay out a plan of
opposition to the nonsense. We have to get together and

(02:03:04):
plan it done, not just jump out to respond the Musks,
you know, they we need clear cut plans of action,
understanding that they are coming for us in the daytime
and in the evening. They are coming for us under Trump.

(02:03:24):
They're coming. We have to plan to overcome what they're
going to bring, including overcoming some of our own doubters
and own you know, and some of our own people
who will have joined the Trumpers.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Again a twenty eight away from the top of Doctor Horn,
we've seen that the Democratic Party, now we saw what
happened in New York City and the Mayol race and
is looking good in that race. But they, you know,
they tag him being a socialist, a communist, and he
says he's a democratic socialist, and some people quibble about
that phrase. And some people are concerned when they hear

(02:04:12):
word socialism and they understand what socialism really means. So
Doctor for my question to you is what should black
people do. Should we get on that train, support Mandannie
and support people who have progressive thoughts like he does,
or should we the old guard, the old Jim Clyburn
are telling people, the black people in New York and
the churches, the black churches are telling them to support

(02:04:33):
Andrew Cuomo or Eric Adams, but stay away from the communists.
You know, this is what the old god, the old
Democratic guard is telling them. So if you had some
advice for the people black people in New York City,
what would you tell them?

Speaker 10 (02:04:47):
I would tell them to look beyond labels and don't
let anybody tell you what to do. You need to
organize yourselves the way we used to do, watch parties
and and other things to get ready for big public actions.

Speaker 5 (02:05:10):
Black people need to go back to that. We need
to talk to out to each other and talk.

Speaker 10 (02:05:14):
To ourselves, organize ourselves the uh and not not depend
on those who are already elected.

Speaker 5 (02:05:23):
To tell us what to do.

Speaker 10 (02:05:25):
The mostly well don't understand what are uh A A
a socialist is. We don't understand what a an anti
American is. We don't understand a bunch of the labels.

Speaker 5 (02:05:45):
We need to ask questions, what are you going to
do for our community?

Speaker 10 (02:05:51):
Identify something particular? Why should I support you? Tell me
what you're going to to do. We need to be
more common sensical, because that's how we've gotten to where
we are now. We should not be following anybody just

(02:06:12):
because they look good or they sound like they're going
to be on our side.

Speaker 5 (02:06:19):
Look at all the people who voted for.

Speaker 10 (02:06:25):
This gangster in charge who basically is not interested in
helping them at all. On they're interested in governing self.

Speaker 5 (02:06:36):
Look at all the people who got food, so they
did not ask the right questions we called as black people,
must ask what specifically, specifically.

Speaker 10 (02:06:50):
Are you planning to do for my community? I don't
care what you call yourself socially, uh, an atheist, a Palestinian,
None of that matters. What in the hell are you
going to do for our community? And be specific?

Speaker 5 (02:07:08):
That's what we have to do.

Speaker 10 (02:07:09):
We got the question everybody and everything until we.

Speaker 2 (02:07:13):
Get what we need, all right, twenty five away from
the top of the doctor horn?

Speaker 21 (02:07:20):
Do we need?

Speaker 2 (02:07:22):
How do we respond to this? Though? As a black
we don't have the numbers to start our own black
political party.

Speaker 10 (02:07:27):
No, we don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:07:28):
We don't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
So what's our move?

Speaker 5 (02:07:32):
Then?

Speaker 2 (02:07:32):
Do we organize within the Democratic Party, where many of
our people reside.

Speaker 10 (02:07:39):
We must organize ourselves within the Democratic Party and within
any other parties that can influence a Democratic party. Right now,
we don't have enough of what we need to organize

(02:07:59):
an all black party, a national black political party. I
know we've been talking about it for a long time,
but right now we don't have what it would take
to be successful in that endeavor. We must organize within
the party that looks like it is going to help

(02:08:23):
push us forward right now that are not a Republican
party right now, that is the Democratic Party and the
Independent Party.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
Yeah, but the Democrats that still don't have a leader,
they still don't have a theme. That still haven't you know,
they haven't have a consensus of what they want to do,
where they want to go, and that's a major problem.
And we see your governor probably would be one of
the stepping up with the ones one government in Pennsylvania
government in Illinois. Also on the custom of whether or

(02:08:54):
not they're going to jump in the race in twenty
eight somebody gets your thoughts on that. What do we
do and if you could, you know, help the Democrats,
what would you tell them to do? If family, we
have got to take a short break here, it's twenty
three minutes away from the top there. That guest is
a critical thinking. His first name is doctor David Horne,
one of our top scholars. You'd like to speak to him,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight to seventy six. You want to take

(02:09:16):
your phone calls.

Speaker 22 (02:09:21):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Showank.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting this week with us,
the first week of August, Black August with some folks.
Our guest is doctor David Horn. Doctor Horne is a
former college professor. He taught critical thinking at the college level.
And there's a lot of our issues, a lot of
the problems the facers and sometimes we need to use
articles thinking skills to figure them out. And this is
why we have him on so often because this is

(02:10:05):
what he teaches, as I mentioned, at the collegiate level,
so he can teach us as well how to use
those skills. Coming up later this week and here from
Professor Mayn new Am Pin's going to join us from
Contracosta College out in California, just back from Kemi and
also from Ethiopia. He's going to tell us about those trips. Also,
political blogger Brandon is going to talk politics with us,

(02:10:25):
and Professor James Small will be here as well. So
if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your
radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if
you're the DMV family or on FM ninety five point
nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. So, doctor Horn, what's
our move now, because we see it's almost almost like
in Ersia, not just black people, the Democratic Party itself,
when most black people reside, it's almost like we're waiting

(02:10:47):
for the shooter drop, the hammer to drop, or whatever.

Speaker 10 (02:10:53):
We Instead of depending on whoever designated leader is of
a particular party in a state or a nationwide leader,
we need to deal with neighborhood groups, small groups, five, ten,

(02:11:21):
fifteen people who can get together and identify what they need,
what is important in their community, whether it's housing, whether
it is proper education for their children, something to reduce

(02:11:46):
the police presence in a particular neighborhood. What we need
is in these individual communities, small groups of black folks
to get together, talk it out, do some planning, lay

(02:12:08):
out a series of things that are important where they are,
and then talk to make get meetings with whoever the
elected people are in that particular area, whether it is

(02:12:29):
a city council person or a county person, or a
state person or a national person. Go to them after
you've already worked it out with ten or fifteen to
twenty other folks.

Speaker 5 (02:12:45):
This is what we need, and this is why we
need it, and this is what we need you to
do the help us.

Speaker 10 (02:12:49):
We don't need to do a lot of loud talking
and a bunch of beating on the drums when.

Speaker 5 (02:12:57):
We have not clearly laid out what we need and
what we have to have. That's what we do. We take.

Speaker 10 (02:13:08):
The results of small public action to those who have
been elected to do something about it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
All right, Hold up right there, doc at fifteen away
from the Taburday, Our brother Malik is joining us from
Washington d c's online one grand Rising. Brother Malik here
on with doctor Horn.

Speaker 5 (02:13:31):
Hey, brother, okay, go ahead, brother Luke.

Speaker 2 (02:13:42):
I'm not hearing.

Speaker 10 (02:13:45):
So I don't like him, Brother lake Son, can you
hear me? Yes? Am I on there?

Speaker 8 (02:13:54):
Yes, we need you?

Speaker 21 (02:13:57):
Oh well is brother Mohammad Carl?

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
Yeah, Brother Malik here, but go ahead?

Speaker 21 (02:14:04):
Oh okay, Sorry, I you know, I heard like we
need a strategy and I heard doctor Horn say we
need a leader. I'm sorry, what did you say?

Speaker 5 (02:14:20):
I say?

Speaker 10 (02:14:21):
We need to get together in our own community, our
own neighborhoods ten fifteen, twenty twenty five of us and
identify what we need in our own areas. Only after
we have articulated exactly what we need. Do we need
to go to these people who have been elected.

Speaker 21 (02:14:43):
Yeah, I heard that part. You said something about a
default leader. That's what made me call in, and I
would just like the reference. I would suggest everybody, let
me let me just get this pointed. I recently listened
to Donald Blum Miners the Littles Farakhonts Saviors Day address

(02:15:06):
from twenty twenty four, and I would suggest everybody go
on YouTube and listen to that and study it, because
he said it's the most significant speech and most important
speech he ever made. Okay, and he claimed publicly that
God gave him the message to give to us. Okay,

(02:15:28):
he claimed that. I mean that was actually in the flyer.

Speaker 5 (02:15:30):
Okay.

Speaker 21 (02:15:31):
And one thing he said at the end, and I've
said this before on the show Carl, he said, you know,
I can't tell you who to vote for, he said,
but vote for God.

Speaker 5 (02:15:44):
And that stuck with me as soon as he said it.
It kind of stuck with me, like what did he
mean by that?

Speaker 21 (02:15:50):
And what I would suggest As black people, And this
is the thirtieth anniversary of the Million Man March, we
already have the core leadership. We already have organizations all
over the country. We already have military, we got muscles,

(02:16:10):
we got were in the jails, we're with the gangs
where all of that. What we don't have is the
funding to deal with the size of the problem that
we're dealing with. And I would suggest that I think
the ADL and APAX they bring in like which is

(02:16:31):
our enemies. Okay, Jewish supremacists are our enemies. They claim
to be the chosen. We're the chosen. Okay, that's that's
a fact now. But they bring in two hundred million
dollars a year for four million people who are in
this country that claim to be follow Judaism.

Speaker 10 (02:16:54):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:16:54):
And all I'm saying, and I.

Speaker 21 (02:16:57):
Know I'm biased because I'm in the nation, But one
thing about being in the nation, the reason I joined
the nation. You can't defeat none of the nation's arguments,
not one. And if you can give you, I give
you ten thousand dollars personally myself, you defeat one argument,
I give you ten thousand dollars. You can contact Carl
Nelson and get my number, and I give you the
ten thousand if you could beat one argument. But so

(02:17:19):
if you have an undefeated word, then all you need
is the organization.

Speaker 10 (02:17:24):
To go along with it.

Speaker 21 (02:17:26):
Okay, if we could, if we could fund the nation
where we can buy TV TV stations and radio stations
or help WL or you know, increase our media presence
and our power, then we can start taking over this
country that we already took over in nineteen ninety five

(02:17:48):
during the Millionaire in March. Whenever you make a leader
flee his capital, you've essentially taken over the country, you know.
And these white folks are dying, they're dying off. So
this is a survival mechanism for them. But we need
to understand who's in power here. They really don't have
the power. This is all desperation, okay. And the government

(02:18:09):
only has two million soldiers and police. Okay, there's sixty
million of us plus you got the Latinos at least
half of them going to be with us, you know.
And white people they got are conscious and believe in God,
they going to be with us too. So we need
to speak from a position of power. But all we
to me, it's really simple. We just need to fund

(02:18:30):
the nation so that it can do what it's doing
already on a larger scale. And I'll leave it at that, Carl,
y'all have a beautiful week and.

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
Yeah, yeah, thank you brother mahind for that. But but
dont to horney brings a funding and you know, let's
be real, it's been a major issue in our in
our community when it comes to funding. We won't, we
won't support our scholars. Many of our top scholars. Uh
when they checked out, they were broken. Yep, we won't.
We won't, we won't to you know, really truly fund

(02:19:01):
a lobbying group for us, for us we're talking about
we don't even support each other. We're too busy fighting
each other. How are we going to get cross that
hurdle though, because you know, we'll give lip service, but
when it comes to writing the check or putting the
money where your mouth is, we're missing in action most
of the times.

Speaker 10 (02:19:21):
That again, there is no one answer. But one of
the most effective ways right now to handle all that
we are facing is to get back to the ten, fifteen,

(02:19:43):
twenty twenty five member small groups who can negotiate with
each other so that they can come up with a
list of these are the things that we need, and
we can agree that these things will help the community

(02:20:08):
that we represent. We're now talking about a logical group,
talking about again ten twenty twenty five, folks who can
identify in their own communities what they have to have.
Once they are clear about what they need and what
they have to have, then they need to communicate with

(02:20:33):
whoever is an office and who can get that done.
Right now, we are sending such a loud help sign,
it's hard for even those who are in position to
help to do anything because there's too much going on,

(02:20:54):
too much information coming in, too much noise.

Speaker 5 (02:20:58):
In order to be.

Speaker 10 (02:20:59):
Able to put this particular fire out in this particular forest,
you need a particular plan. You need the people in
that area to identify this is how to get this done.

Speaker 5 (02:21:16):
Do we need to go back to what you store.

Speaker 10 (02:21:20):
In the black community and not just to have small
small groups to organize themselves and to articulate what they
need and then to bring in the people who can
get it done. That's what I'm advocating.

Speaker 2 (02:21:37):
Well, let me jump in and ask you, this is
seven away from the top. Do we need another Gary summit?
Do we need to have a summit with all of
these just come together and fashion a plant going forward
for us.

Speaker 5 (02:21:49):
No, No, we don't. We're not ready for a big
leadership conference where people tell us what to do.

Speaker 10 (02:21:59):
No, we need to ten fifteen, twenty twenty five, three
of us in each community. We need to meet ourselves
and identify what we need. We have to accrue in
the small areas first, and then start talking about having

(02:22:22):
some larger national meeting. Were not ready for that yet.
Right now, that would get me a talk. Best people
would make a bunch of speeches. Then they go home
still confused. That's not gonna help. We got to go
back to the smaller and build up to the larger,

(02:22:44):
not go from the larger, try to build to the smaller.

Speaker 2 (02:22:48):
And since your reparationists, I got to ask you this
because you know, some folks feel that if they're not
talking reparations, we can't support them. This goes for any
candidate where he's running from to be a all catching
the president of the United States is the Is the
reparations issue a litmus test for us? Doctor Horn?

Speaker 10 (02:23:08):
You should not be. The reparation's issue is clearly important,
but we the reparations issue needs to be reformulated. They
have been making the argument that we have been done.

Speaker 5 (02:23:26):
Wrong you people get us wrong, So you need to
fix that. You need to pay us.

Speaker 10 (02:23:35):
You need to demonstrate that you recognize what you did
wrong by paying us. Some conversation that is not about
that is not about to happen anytime soon. Then the
people that we have been addressing do not recognize that
they did anything wrong. They are not going to acknowledge it.

(02:23:57):
We need to change tactics. We cannot erect the building
that we must have by continuing to go the same
way that's already blocked. No, we don't need to spend
a lot more time on the reparations issue. We need

(02:24:17):
to rethink it. We need to rethink the whole reparations approach.

Speaker 2 (02:24:24):
You're saying we shouldn't chuck it. We should, but we
should still demand reparations, but we should change the strategy
to get to attain what I'm doing.

Speaker 10 (02:24:35):
The strategy has to be changed. Yes, we are not
employing a strategy that is going to work.

Speaker 2 (02:24:46):
Because because even some people look like us, who in government,
who in or you know in commerce, they're not even
supporting reparations.

Speaker 10 (02:24:56):
We we that's why we need to change the argument
and change the approach because what we're using right now
is not going to get the job done, and the
reparations is not the principal issue anyway, not right now,
not under Trump.

Speaker 2 (02:25:16):
All right, hold us, all right there, we gotta step
asid for a few montes. Come back, tell us what
is the principal issue? Because I understand with Thedei the
people are you know, they're skeptic about reparations, whether we're
going to get reparations or not. You say we need
to change our strategy, especially on the Donald Trump. So
what sort of move should we make then if reparations
not on the top of the list or what sort
of what do you think of the main issues facing

(02:25:39):
us as a black community today? Family, you want to
join this conversation with our guest doctor David Horn. He's
a critical thinking aspert as also one of our top scholars.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take a phone
calls next.

Speaker 4 (02:25:55):
With the most submission the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 18 (02:26:00):
With the Most.

Speaker 2 (02:26:24):
And grand writs and family in facts for rolling with
us on this Monday morning, first Monday in August. And
it's a black August for us and I guess it
is doctor David Horn. Doctor Horn is one of our
top scholars here. Then trying to figure out what's our
next move. Seems like we've been checkmated. UH reparations, it
seems to be put on the back burner, especially in
this era of de I not getting supported should get

(02:26:46):
So what do we do? And that's our question we're
asking doctor Horn. So so doctor Horn is Doctor Horne says,
we don't need another meeting like they're having Gary when
you know we came up with these ideas. So the
question is family, because it seems like there's sort of
an RSA. It's not just in the black community, it's
all across the country. Everybody just kind of sitting back
and waiting for the other shoe to drop, and we

(02:27:08):
know it's not going to be pleasant when it does happen.
So my question to you, family, and you can help
us out with this conversation with doctor Horn, is what
do we do as a people, as black people? And
I got a bunch of folks who wanted to talk
to you. Doctor Horn said, let me take some calls here.
Let's start first with money Mike in Baltimore. He's online
one Money Mike, you're on with doctor Horn.

Speaker 9 (02:27:27):
Go on to call good on to doctor Horn.

Speaker 10 (02:27:30):
Your money run.

Speaker 5 (02:27:30):
How you doing, I'm doing great, doctor.

Speaker 9 (02:27:33):
Horn, Doctor Horn. Yes, sir, we need we need commercials
and advertisement for reparations. See, we have to raise the
consciousness of the majority of the people in this country.
And I'm talking about the poor whites. You know, you
see that commercial they advertised with the Native American looking

(02:27:54):
into a pollute extreme in the tear, who's out his eye,
and immediately you know what they've done to the Native Americans.
It's as simple as that. We don't have any advertisement,
you know, w l w LB. They struggle because we
don't pay for what the things that we poor people

(02:28:16):
by the things that they want. Okay, middle class well,
poor people by what they need, middle class people by
what they want, and wealthy people invest their money to
get the things that they want, and we don't invest
in our cars. That's what I'm saying. So how do
we get the people? I mean, we used to have

(02:28:36):
ebony essence ins that we used to go to the barbershop,
we used to go to the beauties in line, that's
where we held our meetings. We went to church, that's
where we held our meetings. Now well, but I mean,
but what is important to us? I mean, if I

(02:28:56):
grab twenty of my friends, my cricists, my fanmbers, there
might be two or three that really give a don
I'm just being real. I'm just in my in my opinion.
So because they haven't suffered enough, I'm afraid, I'm afraid
that Black people are gonna have to really feel some pain.

(02:29:17):
I'm talking about uh A depression again when they are
eating squirrels and eating rats and and I don't want
it to be that way, but that's the only way
I think their consciousness will really understand what has happened
in this country. And as far as being no, Trump
doesn't want it. Neither does a lot of our senators

(02:29:37):
and congress people. They don't want to see every time
African Americans, Africans have made have made successes, they've come
up with a way to knock us down a peggotty.
And because in this country, somebody has to be on
the bottom, I maintained And if black people really don't
feel that they're on the bottom, we talk about the

(02:30:00):
Mudamie or whoever. The reason he's winning, it's because the
people in New York need something. They need free transportation,
they need rent control. And in America the Democratic Party
has to find a way something to give to the
poor in the middle class, or else there will be
no more of a publican, no more Democrats.

Speaker 2 (02:30:20):
All right, there is a chance to respond to that
interesting points. Mike, thank you for your doctor Horne.

Speaker 10 (02:30:26):
Okay, and again he is my response rather than two
right now, put all of our efforts on the largest
of the problems, on how can you get another Democratic

(02:30:49):
president or how can you get more Democratic representatives Congress,
rather than to just focus on those, we need to
go back to our own primary groups, whether they are

(02:31:12):
in our neighborhoods, or in our workspaces, or in our
tennis clubs or what have you. We need to get
ten fifteen, twenty twenty five folks who can meet with
each other without trying to kill each other, and identify

(02:31:33):
what those twenty five people and their contacts need for
their particular community. If your house just burned down, if
you an Accidentia or Pasadena and your house burned down
and you're trying to get your houses replaced, rebuilt, start

(02:31:54):
with that as a.

Speaker 5 (02:31:58):
Topic.

Speaker 10 (02:31:59):
We need to get back to smaller groups and identify
a list of things that we have smaller groups have
to have coming from the smaller groups.

Speaker 5 (02:32:15):
Then we move back to the larger issue.

Speaker 10 (02:32:20):
We have to reorganize our approach to getting what we need.
And right now the approach that we've been using has
not been getting us anywhere close to the Brown's land.

Speaker 2 (02:32:39):
All right, hold that thought there, folks across the country.
I want to talk to you at doctors Hornlets go
to Atlanta. Rick's waiting for us online to Grant rising
and Rick here on with docts a.

Speaker 8 (02:32:47):
Horn rousing Kings.

Speaker 10 (02:32:50):
I just have a.

Speaker 5 (02:32:53):
Good morning brother.

Speaker 11 (02:32:56):
You put a flight bent on or opinion about reparations,
and you know the But I think it's miscommunication because
when you say to produce this list that you talk about,
the list is what those of us who are complete
the full reparations were going to engage in. And if

(02:33:16):
you say it's something and you have a paradigm shift,
you say, okay, let's start small. I'm willing to hear
your argument. But where where do you get the number
twenty and twenty five from which money mikel said it
seemed like a whole lot of people and it seems
like a whole lot of people that need to what
what what? How do you back this twenty twenty five
number up?

Speaker 5 (02:33:33):
And it doesn't?

Speaker 13 (02:33:37):
That was?

Speaker 10 (02:33:38):
That was okay?

Speaker 5 (02:33:46):
Why do you say this number?

Speaker 8 (02:33:47):
Why?

Speaker 11 (02:33:48):
What's your backup for this?

Speaker 6 (02:33:49):
What?

Speaker 11 (02:33:49):
What's your explanation defended?

Speaker 9 (02:33:53):
I'm talking.

Speaker 11 (02:33:53):
I'm not that's still changing the high number?

Speaker 8 (02:33:55):
Because do you a lot of revel of consciousness?

Speaker 5 (02:33:57):
Are you trying to tell me?

Speaker 8 (02:34:00):
Do you understand the level of consciousness that you're talking about, how.

Speaker 5 (02:34:03):
Few and how little that is amongst our people?

Speaker 10 (02:34:06):
Yeah? Enough, But what I'm saying, I tell you what
I'm what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, rather than
to only.

Speaker 5 (02:34:17):
Deal with.

Speaker 10 (02:34:19):
The whole loaf, we need to get back to the
individual flashes and get those organized so that we then
move back to the larger area. We are not clear
on what our individual communities need.

Speaker 5 (02:34:38):
We need to get that clear first, and then I
would say when we go to these meetings, I would say,
we start with the reparations agenda that's been produced already
by the Reparations Doug in a r C.

Speaker 8 (02:34:50):
I think it is uh, and we.

Speaker 11 (02:34:51):
Look at that first before we and then move down
and that could be a national platform. I definitely don't
think we can retreat on the work that's been done.
Uh in the in the wording, I understand you you're
you have an issue with but uh as far as
reparation and the and the singlity of our opinion on
black politicians. Oh no, I'm not willing to retreat one one.

(02:35:13):
I old on that if you want my vote, you're
going to represent me and my community, and my issue
is needs to my community needs resources and the restructuring.
And if you can't understand the word that we're using
this reparations, then maybe you just talk to somebody else
who get their vote.

Speaker 5 (02:35:31):
You have a great day, take care, Thanks great.

Speaker 2 (02:35:37):
Door. Respond what he said.

Speaker 10 (02:35:41):
Only to repeat what I said. What we what I'm
suggesting is it rather than.

Speaker 23 (02:35:50):
To keep.

Speaker 10 (02:35:55):
Pounding their drum at the higher level, we need to
back up. We need to get some other some more
oxygen and lay out a carefully identified, articulated plan for

(02:36:19):
the small area. Let's make sure my community will live.
Will I work and operate. Make sure that community can
identify what it needs, you know, and what it what
the politicians who are small as will represent us what

(02:36:41):
they have to give us.

Speaker 13 (02:36:43):
Well, let me.

Speaker 10 (02:36:47):
Have to redefine what it is that we say we
want and what it is that we say we go
we must have. That's what I'm That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:36:56):
Uh, And I think there's some clarification that reckon such.
And are you that you're not saying we should retreat
from putting reparations on the table though, No, I'm not
saying that.

Speaker 10 (02:37:07):
What I'm saying is in every area in which we operate.
I'm in California, I'm in an thertent park in that area.
I need to be able to identify ten, fifteen, twenty
people who are willing to engage with me on what

(02:37:29):
it is that we demand that we have to have
for this particular community. I can't talk about DC, I
can't talk about Atlanta right now. I need to talk
about this neighborhood that I'm part of. We need to
lay out here are the things that we need right

(02:37:50):
now for here. Here are the people who are supposed
to be in office, who are supposed to be getting paid,
who are supposed to be in charge of these things, housing, homelessness,
what have you. Once we have identified those items that

(02:38:11):
we need to have taken care of. Then we identify
who is responsible and get to them get that done.
What I'm suggesting is a change in our approach. We
have been spending a lot, a lot, a lot of

(02:38:32):
time at the national level and even the state level,
and we haven't gotten they have a lot of stuff done.
We've done a lot of talking, but we haven't got
a lot of stuff done.

Speaker 5 (02:38:43):
I'm saying, go back to the route, go back to
the basic.

Speaker 10 (02:38:51):
Arrangement. Let's get the ten, fifteen, twenty twenty five people
in our particular communities, agree on a plan with them
for what we need here, and then move forward. That's rapture.

Speaker 2 (02:39:06):
Yes, all right, thanks for that clarification. Fourteen after the Topay,
let's go to Chicago stands waiting for us. He's online.
Three Grand Rising stand here on with doctor Horn.

Speaker 12 (02:39:17):
Absolutely Grand Rising, Carl and doctor Horn, and yes this
is the one.

Speaker 7 (02:39:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:39:23):
I always end up calling.

Speaker 6 (02:39:25):
And you're on.

Speaker 12 (02:39:25):
I don't know what the connection is there, but something
you said about reparations, and we've talked about politics before.
My point is, My point is you know both sides,
you know, opposite arms of the same bird. We need
to stop playing that game at the federal level. Local
is where everything's at, and we can even get more

(02:39:46):
micro with that. It starts with ourselves. I've even called
him before and talked about health and wellness. I mean,
if anything was going to pop off, I mean, can
anybody walk five miles with like a forty pounds back
on their back? But again, you said something about Reper.
I had called him before opa phone Friday about a
month ago. I kind of got my handslot by Carl. Respectfully,

(02:40:07):
it's all good. I don't work for Dan Calloway, but
he's one of these afrocentric voices that has talked about
the story of Slavery's bento backwards. A lot of Africans
were here already, and I said, like, we need to
get the count correct. If we're talking about reparations, I mean,
what if, like we are the true tenants of this

(02:40:30):
land essentially. And I'm not discrediting any other scholars that
have come on here. I've worked with a lot of
people on the show, but you know, from Ivans, Vince
Thurtema to Professor griff I mean, there's a different narrative
about yo. This story's told backwards. I'm not trying to
create dissension in the ranks. But I'm just saying, if
there's smoke this fire, let's explore it, because that's what

(02:40:52):
got me kind of cripps up right now in terms
of yo, like all this is a smoke screen. We're
watching themselves destruct us. We could just sit back in
the cut, get our stuff together, quit.

Speaker 9 (02:41:04):
Playing this game.

Speaker 12 (02:41:05):
But what what's the thoughts on just that other, that
other story, and could that even tie into this whole
reparationist thing, because my whole thing is we're not even
getting what they could even pay for at this point.
It's the lands, the value. So again, don't want to
get too passionate, don't want to talk too much, but
could that be something that we look at a little
bit further or am I completely off the mark in

(02:41:27):
terms of that and I.

Speaker 6 (02:41:30):
But again I'm.

Speaker 12 (02:41:31):
Saying, we keep playing this political game, and it's like
why play it. We play it, we don't get an outcome,
we lose, so just quit playing it, boycott it, and
build our own thing. But it starts with us. But
I'm going to go on mute. I said a lot,
thank you for the time, and thank you for what
you bil.

Speaker 5 (02:41:48):
Carl much respect, all up.

Speaker 2 (02:41:50):
All right, thanks Dan, And what we're here for, we're
trying to figure out a way. You know, we don't
have all the answers, and you know that's why we
hold them the phone lines, so unlike some other shows,
they just talk and you just heaves dropped. So we
know we've got some smart brothers and sisters out there.
But look, you gotta take a short take and we
come back. I let doctor Horn respond to family. You

(02:42:10):
two complains rising family twenty minutes after the top there.
I guess it's doctor David Horn. Doctor Horney is one
of our one of our top scholars out there. They
talked critical thinking in college, and right now he's responding
to a call from Stand about someone who's who's promulgating
the fact that we were here before the Atlantic slave trade.

(02:42:32):
And I'll let doctors Horn responder, and I'll give my
response because stand knows what I think. But this this
new you know, irritation, if you will, didn't come about
until the reparations uh started to gather momentum. But doctor Horne,
your response for Stan.

Speaker 10 (02:42:50):
Okay, But I mean, let me add this. The what
I'm advocating is think about a quilting bee quilts are
not being sold for a lot of money, and people

(02:43:11):
who put the quilts together are not being being recognized properly.
Other people are stealing their ideas and getting paid, and
the people who produce the quilts are not. But let's
just say ten people who do quilts, all of whom

(02:43:34):
have grievances with how their quilts are dealt with, those
ten decide, let's meet and identify what we are pissed
off about. What has to change. We ten, the ten
of them who know how to do the quilts, talk about, Okay,

(02:43:57):
we need more thread, you know, we need more access
to the markets, etc. They identify all the things that
the tender them understand.

Speaker 5 (02:44:08):
Because they have been making the quilts.

Speaker 10 (02:44:12):
Once they have agreed on these are the issues that
really bother us, then they approach somebody in the market
who can do something about what they've identified. They don't
go before they are clear what they have to have done.

(02:44:32):
They make sure the clarity is between them. They then
take that to somebody who can do something about it, and.

Speaker 5 (02:44:39):
They put the pressure on them to.

Speaker 10 (02:44:42):
Change it, to get the quilts properly put together and
properly sold and the money get back to the people
who did the quilts.

Speaker 5 (02:44:52):
What I'm saying is we need to go to.

Speaker 10 (02:44:56):
Change the level of our analysis instead of trying to
analyzed from the top. We are already in Germany trying
to trying to defeat a Hitler. Before you get there,
you have to have a whole lot of other levels

(02:45:18):
of planning, levels of agreement, levels of working together before
you get to that level. I'm saying, at this point
in our history in this country twenty twenty five, we
need to retreat back to the level of community organizing

(02:45:44):
with people who are sharing the same problems, the same challenges.
We need to be able to meet together ten fifteen,
twenty twenty five of us and what we can no
longer put up with, what has to be changed, We

(02:46:04):
have to articulate it agreed among ourselves and then get into.

Speaker 2 (02:46:11):
Let me jump aroun here, because we've got a bunch
of folks still got a question for you and my
response to the standard's part of the problem with the
reparations issue, It's not. It's the reparationists still thinking that
it's all about the Atlantic slave trade. It's not about
the Atlantic trade state it was for the Africans who
were here before. You're right, there were Africans that were
here before, and so they also reparations for them as well,

(02:46:33):
because they lost. It's also for reparations for the for
the brain drain in Africa. It's also reparations for the
CIA bringing drugs into our community. It encompasses all of that.
So when this fellow comes up and talks about we
were here before, that means what they use in him
is tried to negate, negate the the Atlantic slave trade.

(02:46:53):
They're trying to wipe away reparations. So you guys have
got to figure out when you hear those kinds of conversations,
that's what it's turned because the reparation it's only hang
their hat on the Atlantic slave trade instead of making
a broader issue. So that's when they tried out this
fella to try and negate that and block all reparations.
It's not that difficult to understand. This is why we

(02:47:15):
have doctor Horn here because he's a critical thinker. He
taught me how to do that. Twenty five out the
top of the hour, eight hundred and four fives, you know,
seventy eight seventy six. Johnny's joining us is online one
it's going from Washington, d C. Grand Rising John here
with doctor Horn.

Speaker 10 (02:47:30):
A good morning, A good morning, can you do?

Speaker 15 (02:47:34):
Oh yeah, it's a pleasure hall and.

Speaker 8 (02:47:39):
The discussion of.

Speaker 10 (02:47:41):
Injuring over them analysis.

Speaker 5 (02:47:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:47:45):
So it's a very serious and dear subject to me, h,
considering the legal definition and description that we use and
that which has caused a lot of problems and us
retrieving wealth that's needed for us to survive in this country.

(02:48:08):
It should never be called reparations. It should be called
slavery compensation. Reparations does not pay enough for four hundred
years of oppression and human bondage, and you name it.

Speaker 8 (02:48:22):
To our people.

Speaker 15 (02:48:24):
I've been working on this for over what ten twelve years,
and there's some reparationists. I'm not a reparationist, but but
I'm sympathetic to the name of reparations. That's not the
correct legal description of what happened to us and how
we should get paid. I don't want thirty five thousand

(02:48:44):
dollars for four hundred years of being enslaved and oppressed. Okay,
I take one point eight million dollars per person. That's
what's owed, and that's what the other side of agree to.

Speaker 8 (02:48:57):
You.

Speaker 15 (02:48:58):
And it doesn't charge the taxpayer. Reparations charges the US taxpayer.
And we got to be very careful asking for that
because you know what this country might do. Okay, you
guys want reparations. We got to go invade certain countries
in Africa. Okay, we have to clean their mineral rights

(02:49:20):
and everything else to pay you guys, because that's the
next thing that they might try to shift to. You know,
our country of Africa is up for grabs in terms
of minerals. They have enough minerals right now to leverage
to pay us for that horrific trade that they made
with Europe and other countries. And I have it all ridden.

(02:49:43):
I have it all written right now, right now, the
US Adjustments and Recovery Act for slavery compensation. It goes
holistic as to what you're saying, doctor, It doesn't leave
anybody out. But reparations is something that applies to Tulsa,
it applies to where there were civil unrest in d C,

(02:50:05):
civil unrest in other parts of the country. That's reparations.
But as far as slavery, it's pure and it's straight
and it's clean. It's called slavery compensation, which does not
go into the taxpayer's pocket. Now, our guy on sixteen hundred,
he's using a tariff thing. Terrorfts were supposed to be

(02:50:26):
used to pay us, Okay, not the taxpayer terrffts. But
he hijacked that and used it to his advantage in
this country.

Speaker 6 (02:50:36):
So.

Speaker 10 (02:50:39):
To end up being taxes that we have to pay
the area.

Speaker 15 (02:50:46):
Well, no, no, no, Slavery compensation does not charge. It
exempts us from taxes for a certain period of time,
and it makes the actual entities, industries, you name it,
who participated in slavery. Some of them are ready to
pay now, but they're not going to pay us going

(02:51:08):
to court. They want to settle out of court with
slavery compensation. They want a silent payoffs. They want a
silent gathering to begin the process. You know, I can
name a few I've met with them.

Speaker 5 (02:51:26):
Okay, okay, it's not hard to do.

Speaker 15 (02:51:28):
But we have to get off asking for reparations for slavery.
We have to call it what it is, slavery compensation.
That's one point.

Speaker 2 (02:51:37):
H Here's the problem I have with that, John, And
let me tell that because it's not just for slavery,
it's for the drop the drugs in our community. You see,
that's the point when you narrate it down to slavery.
That's how this other fella came up and says, no,
it's it's about this. They were here before. It's reparations
is a broad issue. It's not just one issue. Because

(02:51:57):
that's what they did. They came up with the transitlan
we we're here before, they'll come with slave, they'll come
up with it's going to an excuse for slavery. Slavery
was legal, so we have to broaden it because that's
how they're going to challenge it legal.

Speaker 15 (02:52:11):
But but our labor was unpaid. Okay, our labor was
This country is about well, because because we were a
property we excuse me, yes we were. But now the
property has been freed, it's time.

Speaker 2 (02:52:27):
Yeah, but we were legally find this property, so they's
necessarily they don't have to pay.

Speaker 15 (02:52:32):
I follow you.

Speaker 10 (02:52:33):
That's where again with an argument that they don't have
to pay because we will property and you and in
this country you can do whatever you want to do
a property.

Speaker 15 (02:52:42):
Well, they're ready to pay. Docs they are ready to
pay with the correct legal description. Now go and take
a shot at the CIA. Then we got other problems.
They're going to go start a war somewhere in Africa
to retrieve some UH mineral rights.

Speaker 5 (02:53:00):
To pay us.

Speaker 15 (02:53:01):
So very careful how.

Speaker 8 (02:53:04):
We do this right?

Speaker 10 (02:53:06):
And that's my point. My point is we need to
change our strategy.

Speaker 15 (02:53:13):
Yes, I heard you this morning and I said, finally
somebody is ready to take that one step that we
need in order to open this door. If we can
all get behind the word slavery compensation, that's our legal description,
that's our rights. We were not paid, we didn't earn
any money, so we're getting our money back. That's each

(02:53:35):
one of us one point eight million, not reparations as
thirty five thousand dollars. And then you get some angry
white rage man say, oh, those negroes have taken my
tax money to get.

Speaker 11 (02:53:46):
That new car.

Speaker 15 (02:53:47):
Well, recovery does not go Slavery compensation does not take
money out of their pocket. It goes to the industries
who have taken from our ancestors.

Speaker 5 (02:53:58):
That's a good difference.

Speaker 2 (02:54:00):
All right, John, thank you, thank you for your analysis.
Let's get doctor had a chance to respond, because we've
got a bunch of other folks want to read. I
got questions, and.

Speaker 10 (02:54:10):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (02:54:13):
Thank you, all right, Yeah, but doctor Hornet doesn't he
doesn't that narrow down what reparations is reparations. Uh, there
was the brothers that were stolen it in the transatlant
station and they get reparations as well. Doesn't the CIA
dropping drugs in our communition? Those people who are strung
out on crack the ramification, shouldn't they get reparations again? Yeah,

(02:54:36):
just you know again like it's for slavery, and the
other guy talked about it was the trans Atlantic slave
trade and we were there before because that's how they
rebut their arguments. So we've got to come up with
we've got to be more finessed with in agreeing to
what you said. We've got to change the strategy.

Speaker 5 (02:54:52):
That's what I'm We have to.

Speaker 10 (02:54:55):
Change our strategy. We need to right now and change
out strategy because the strategy we're using is not going
to get us where we need to go.

Speaker 2 (02:55:09):
All right, let me take some more calls for you.
Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Pittsburgh Freedom Bridge is calling from Pittsburgh is online two
Grand Rising Freedom Bridge. You're on with doctor Horne Grand Rising.

Speaker 23 (02:55:21):
Thanks for taking my call, my question, I have your
money question, I have grand rising. Has America ever paid
reparations to any other.

Speaker 9 (02:55:32):
Group of people.

Speaker 10 (02:55:34):
The Japanese?

Speaker 23 (02:55:36):
Okay, did they have any problem. I'm just making us think, hey,
they got theirs, didn't they The other thing I'm with
carl On here, it ain't just slavery's a torture.

Speaker 13 (02:55:47):
And the fact that you.

Speaker 23 (02:55:49):
Keep mentioning communities, let me just finish what community gentrification
is taking our community, especially from four black They're worked
in meals and regular industry jobs. Communities where they at
They didn't talk though, so we need our land back.
They've taken our land. They've used us as experiments with siplis.

(02:56:10):
They have accused us as a people. And when you
talk about we can't suit them or put that pressure
under them because you could own slaves. No, there's human rights.
What you took are we're human beings, the first human beings,
and you took that from us. I'm just here to
make us think they have had.

Speaker 5 (02:56:28):
Their way with us, and if.

Speaker 23 (02:56:30):
They paid reparations to someone else, we should never not
one minute hesitating when we talk about politics. The Blacks
that we got there. I've seen a sister running for presidency.
But when she said I'm not just gonna do something
just for blacks that hurts She hurt us because she's
prayed to be black fear and it's time for that

(02:56:54):
to stop. Because our children been watching us forever, and
we asked, what's wrong with our kids? Why would you
respect you? You ain't got no heart, You ain't fighting
for me, ain't willing to die. As Malcolm said, You'll
bleed for America, white, for this country, but you won't
bleed for yourself.

Speaker 8 (02:57:10):
Got you?

Speaker 2 (02:57:12):
Thank you, Freedom Bridge. Let let's give doctor Horne a
chance to respond to what you just said. Thank you
for your call.

Speaker 10 (02:57:17):
No I heard him. I heard him. I heard him. Clearly,
we need a change of strategy.

Speaker 9 (02:57:26):
We need to.

Speaker 10 (02:57:30):
Then he could be used this example. The Germans were
kicking everybody's behind. The Germans had the greatest fighting machine
that people knew about at that time. Confronting Germany one
on one was getting a lot of people killed and

(02:57:52):
no real end of the war in sight. They went
back to the batience laid out a careful, carefully thought
out plan for each aspect before they got to the

(02:58:12):
interest of being in Europe and able to destroy the
German army. They had a carefully laid out plan in
the minutia that took them from the small to the large.
I am suggesting strongly that we need to recalibrate and

(02:58:34):
do that too. We don't have a plan right now
that will successfully get us reparations in this country.

Speaker 6 (02:58:42):
We don't.

Speaker 5 (02:58:43):
We need to.

Speaker 10 (02:58:45):
Get one. We need to recalibrate, starting at a much
lower level and identify what will and will not work
and come up with a unified plan to move forward.

Speaker 2 (02:59:00):
They're right there. We've got to step aside for a
few months. We've got some more folks who talk to
you from different cities across the country. It's twenty three
minutes away from the top they are, and he's right.
All of our brothers are right, and makes us thinking,
that's what we're doing. This is, you know. That's why
I loved it with the audience. We got some brilliant
brothers and sisters, got different ideas. This is how we
come up with a consensus on what's our next move
when it comes to reparations. I thank you all for

(02:59:21):
your calls eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six to speak to doctor David Horn. Well, take
your phone calls next.

Speaker 4 (02:59:32):

Speaker 2 (02:59:54):
I'm grind rising family. Thanks for rolling with us on
this first day of the week, first Monday in August,
we start to celebrate Black August. Our guest is doctor
David Horn, doctor Horman, former college professor. By the way,
he taught critical thinking in college at the collegiate level,
and that's why we like to have him on because
some of the issues facing us, you just got to
think and just just don't, you know, just don't accept

(03:00:16):
it on face value. You do a little bit of
research and figure out why they do the things they do.
And I'm glad that some of our callers mean stuff,
because you know, people just think reparations is just for
slavery or the Atlantic slave trade. But his brother mentioned
about the Syphilist experiment, you know, redlining. You can go
down the list. There's things that they've done to us

(03:00:37):
in this country that we should be fighting for or
asking for reparations or demanding reparations. I should say. Before
we go back to the calls, though, let me just
remind you. Coming up later this week, we're going to
hear from Professor James Small also a political blog of
Brandon's going to be with us some professor Me and
new and Pinn just back from Chemi and Ethiopia's going
to tell us about his journeys. So they all be
here this week. So if you're in Baltimore, make sure

(03:00:58):
your radio's locked in tight on ten w LB for
the TMV family run FM ninety five point nine and
a fourteen fifty w L Doctor Horne, you wanted to
say something before I take another call?

Speaker 10 (03:01:10):
No, we need we need a logical, step by step
plan to get where we are trying to go, and
right now we don't have that.

Speaker 2 (03:01:25):
Got seventeen away for a top Let's go to Alexandra Virginia.
Alex is waiting for us on line three. Alex grind Rising.
You're only doctor.

Speaker 13 (03:01:32):
Horn sod On s on to the believers of the Torah.
Before I get to the question, doctor Horn. Uh, I'm
going to put a little bit of information out here
in reference to and I appreciate what you're uh talking about.
It's something that that that's really really needed. But it's

(03:01:54):
one minister down in the state of Mississippi has a congregation,
uh that's called the New Nation of Islam. And uh, okay,
you know, mister minister Marvin Muhammad. Okay, yeah, I've heard
of it. He's the only one that I know that's

(03:02:18):
that's putting his money where his mouth is. And and
he took his own money, brought up all the bandit
properties uh down in Lawham in Mississippi, and and and
you know, fix them up and put businesses in them.
The people who's in his congregations running the businesses. And

(03:02:43):
it's a good thing what he's doing. I don't agree
with his teachings, but I do agree with what he's doing.
But he don't mind me giving his number out so
you can contact him, and that way y'all can find
out what he's doing and then uh start doing what
he's doing, all right, Uh, Minister Marvin Muhammad. Eric Cole

(03:03:05):
six oh one seven eight six six two six seven.
That's Minister Marvin Muhammad new not the Nation of Islam,
but the New Nation of Islam. His phone number once again,
Eric Cole six oh one seven eight six six two

(03:03:31):
sixty seven. And now my question, doctor Horn, is it
time for us to just return to the south, see
that this is what we are forgetting that we had
a Southern culture that was greater than great and uh
we learned how to build with the black man before

(03:03:55):
they left the South. They had some kind of skill
that that that can uh uh build, build automobiles, and
just and get this uh uh uh country back to
where it's supposed to be. Now, I know my family
and the population still in the South is a hundred

(03:04:16):
people in that area. And you know, we got to
get that. To farming. We got to get that and
to manufacturer homes and not these big old mansions that
everybody want to get. We got to come back to
the South and get our communities right again, man, and
start farming, planting, and and then we we'll have our

(03:04:37):
own We don't we don't have to depend on you know,
this this this uh other government. We we can just
go ahead and do what we got to do because
we got the builders.

Speaker 6 (03:04:47):
And and and the farmers, and right.

Speaker 2 (03:04:52):
We raised the clock. I got a bunch of folks
want to talk to you, so I want to get
a chance to respond to get the chaste of your question, though,
and I thank you for your call, doctor Horn.

Speaker 8 (03:05:00):
But the the.

Speaker 10 (03:05:02):
He sounds like he's talking about coming up with a
new strategy to move forward.

Speaker 5 (03:05:10):
I can agree with that.

Speaker 10 (03:05:13):
You know, the the what he brought forth was not
the whole strategy. But he talked about maybe going back,
some of us, going back to the South and focusing
on skills that we had been and there and that worked.

Speaker 5 (03:05:33):
That is all part of.

Speaker 10 (03:05:36):
Retooling and restrategizing. So yeah, I heard him right, and
I think Brother Marvin is doing a good job.

Speaker 2 (03:05:45):
Eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six thirteen
Away from the top was Leo burs Is in Baltimore
City is online four Grand Rising Leo with doctor Horne, Hey.

Speaker 24 (03:05:56):
Brden Rising, Brother Nelson and Grand Rise and doctor Horn.
I'm privileged to be the founder of the Roots of
Scouting organization Roots of Scouting Incorporated.

Speaker 13 (03:06:09):
We're five O one two three.

Speaker 24 (03:06:10):
I'm the founder and I must say we have a
face of optimism to share and I thank you for
your positivity. Reparations has its place. We have no opposition
to reparations, but I'm talking about basic grassroots community.

Speaker 5 (03:06:29):
Organizing exactly what I'm talking about too.

Speaker 24 (03:06:33):
We need to continue to pursue self determination, self defense,
self we're self finance. We have four or five standard
fundraisers every year that sustains our budget. We've established a
Saturday Black History Freedom School each Saturday, well.

Speaker 8 (03:06:55):
Once a month.

Speaker 5 (03:06:56):
That's that is Okay, what I'm what I'm.

Speaker 24 (03:07:00):
Trying to say is that we have an emergency Preparedness
Committee that focuses on community emergency response teams, development, a
athletic development, economic development, the rights of passage. This past
weekend we camped out at Potapsico Valley State Park for

(03:07:21):
two nights. Folks who didn't know how to set up tents.

Speaker 9 (03:07:24):
Now know how to do it.

Speaker 24 (03:07:27):
And so everything that we need to do we have
the capacity for doing as a people. And I just
I'm inspired by what you're saying. And I must tell
you that how our witness is that for the last
forty five years we've grown in terms of effectiveness. We

(03:07:47):
have nothing but a positive a positive story to share
and tell.

Speaker 5 (03:07:52):
Keep up the good work.

Speaker 2 (03:07:54):
All right, thanks? All right away from top L was
in the question that Bob's in Buffalo is on line
one Grand Rise and Bobby a question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 5 (03:08:06):
Yes, sir, blessed Love.

Speaker 7 (03:08:08):
I think we have to take our mind out of
our mouth and mind out of the mind of the oppressor.
We have to stop saying slavery was legal. It's like
the victims of Aulsterwitz or Berkelenbaal saying that the Germans
putting them in the ovens was legal. What happened to
us was a crime against humanity, a crime against God

(03:08:31):
in God's creation. We have to stop saying slavery was legal.
It weakens our argument and it puts our mind in
our mouth, into the mind of the oppressor. A kidnapper
will say that what he did is illegal. A rapist
will say what he did is illegal. A human trafficker

(03:08:51):
will say what he did is legal. That's justify They're
trying to justify the wrong that they did. Stop saying
slavery was legal. It was a clime against you man.

Speaker 2 (03:09:01):
All right, we got you got to let's have a
chance to respond. I got a bunch of folks got questions.
Thank you, Bob in Buffalo, doctor horn.

Speaker 5 (03:09:10):
Here here's for And there's no need in a response.
It made a certance is right or wrong?

Speaker 8 (03:09:18):
It is right, You're correct, all right, thanks Bob.

Speaker 2 (03:09:23):
Let me take some more calls. I got tweet questions
for you. Uh brother shahtes online too. Calling from bed
Stein brother shaid your question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 6 (03:09:31):
Yes, face brother grand Rising, Grand Rising, and I'm still learning,
my my. I'm listening to you a very interesting discussion,
and I unite with with with doctor Horn's uh critical thinking,
uh admonition to us. But I want to say this,

(03:09:52):
I'm listening and I'm hearing people. I'm hearing the.

Speaker 20 (03:09:55):
Discussion of strategy as a a point around reparation. Now,
I've been dealing with this reparation thing for over forty
years with my organization, and I agree doctor that we
must get be a part of an organization and start
thinking critically around the needs of the people.

Speaker 6 (03:10:16):
But now this idea reparation is not a strategy. Reparation
is a tough because the strategy must to be did
toward was the liberation of black people so that we
can become independent, self sufficient, liberated. And the way we

(03:10:38):
do that is analyzing what's holding us back. This is
what me and my group has discussed. What is holding
us back, and what is holding us back is the
propitalist ideology and here in the United States, and that
is done under the control of white men. You see,

(03:11:01):
So the ruling clash, the ruling crack. So we got
to think of a practic now to destabilize them. And
what is the source of power? Economics and reparation is
a way of getting us to come at that economic
base they have. We can weaken that and our old

(03:11:24):
thing here wonder is doing it. China is doing its best,
so weaken the US's economic might. That's the strategy, that's
the tactic is reparations, and we need to come together
as groups. As you said, doctor, and work. We got
to understand that. Please respond to me. I will listen

(03:11:46):
to you off here. Thank you very much.

Speaker 13 (03:11:48):
Call keep doing what you're doing, and Doc, keep.

Speaker 10 (03:11:52):
Doing what you're doing.

Speaker 6 (03:11:53):
But we've got to deal with the language and make
sure that we can properly Edu you take the masses.
Thank you, Thank you, my brother, and.

Speaker 2 (03:12:05):
Talk to all that and let's get it straight. Because
some people think that you're against reparations. You're not against reparations.
We've got to change our strategy. So I just want
to give you time to clarify.

Speaker 10 (03:12:15):
That I am in charge of a reparations organization that
had been in existence for twenty five years. I am
a reparations applicant. I am advocating with right now that
we need to read too, our strategy to get this done.

(03:12:40):
I'm not against reparations right now. I'm against the way
that we're trying to get it done because it's not working.

Speaker 2 (03:12:49):
Yeah, because I've got a few tweets. I didn't get
the chance to read the tweets, but they were, you know,
implying that you were against reparations. I didn't get that.

Speaker 10 (03:12:57):
Yeah, right, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (03:13:00):
And that's why I asked you to clarify because some people,
you know, they hear things and they really don't get
the gist of what they heard, but they're thinking what
they're thinking, and they believe, but they you know, they
didn't hear what they hear. Let's put it that way.
And sometimes they go like, wait, I didn't hear that.
I didn't hear doctor Horne say anything opposed to reparations,
and two tweets asking questions for that. So that's why

(03:13:21):
I wanted you to clarify, because I know you've been
in the front line for reparations.

Speaker 10 (03:13:25):
For years, for years. Yeah, and I'm really need to
If chance strategy you said you have tried don't work,
don't necessarily give up the fight. Change damn strategy.

Speaker 2 (03:13:46):
Do we have a new strategy, though. I think that's
what's missing, because if people want to hear if you're
not for this, they want to hear, what do we
replace the old strategy with?

Speaker 10 (03:13:57):
Well, that's the question. Where is the new strategy? We
have to have one. I'm not saying it's already here.
I'm not offering he is not a strategy. I'm saying
we need to.

Speaker 5 (03:14:15):
Get back to.

Speaker 10 (03:14:18):
Looking at the problem and coming up with a strategy
that we have not tried before. We need a new
strategy to get to the goal that we are aiming at.
The reparation of strategies that we've been using so far.

Speaker 5 (03:14:39):
Have not been.

Speaker 10 (03:14:43):
Successful.

Speaker 2 (03:14:47):
Now real quick? Is that because of the change in
political landscape? Or is it because what we're doing is
just doing what is insanity? Take the same thing over
and over. Which one is.

Speaker 10 (03:14:58):
I think it's a combination of a lot of that.
We when we were back to the movement that Cali
House started in terms of times you get a pension
for bona phrase that was one strategy that could have worked,

(03:15:22):
got ridden the office, she got put in jail, and
we never got back to that again. We started off
on another pathway right, and We're going to cut.

Speaker 2 (03:15:34):
It down, doctor Horne, because it was just patter of time.
Music's playing. I thank you for sharing your thoughts to us,
and thank you for making people think this morning. Thank you,
doctor Horn.

Speaker 5 (03:15:41):
You're quite welcome.

Speaker 2 (03:15:43):
All right, Family and classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning, six o'clock right
here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and the DMV
on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty
WOL

Speaker 4 (03:16:01):
Fourteen

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Black August Celebration with Dr. David Horne: Sahel Crisis, Palestinian State, Democratic Party Challenges & UNIA-ACL Convention Preview

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

All Episodes

Black August Celebration with Dr. David Horne: Sahel Crisis, Palestinian State, Democratic Party Challenges & UNIA-ACL Convention Preview

Stuff You Should Know