Chairman Fred Hampton, Daryl Jones, Dr. Brandon Gamble & Minister Christina Flowers on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks are starting your Tuesday
with us. Later, Chairman Fred Hampton will check into our classroom.
A chairman will who works on the streets of Chicago
respond to Trump administration's plans to deploy troops in his city.
Before the chairman, Civil Rights at Attorney's Daryl Jones and
Barbara Einwin from the Transformative Justice Coalition will provide insights

(00:21):
into a Supreme Court hearing that could result in the
reduction their voting rights. But before Attorney Jones and our wine,
doctor Brandon Gamble from the Association of Black Psychologists will
share his expert analysis of how the black community should
respond to all the changes impacting the community from the
Trump administration standpoint, and momentarily Baltimore Homeless Advocate Minister Christina

(00:42):
Flowers will join us. But let's get Kevin open to
the classroom doors on this Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin, Hey, Grand.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Rising, indeed cons and we're live and in living color.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
On this Tuesday the fourteenth.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I ended up having an interception there one of the
you know, because it seems like interceptions can hurt you.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Come on, man, I went to sleep last night and
the team was winning and went to sleep with the
TV on, and I woke up this morning. Of course,
I have a way to put your TV to sleep,
you know, and so it turns itself off later. So
then I get here checking the news and.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's a result.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
The home team loses by one measly point.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yes, I'm talking about the Commanders.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yes, they played a great game, they fought valiantly, and
yet at the end of the day they lost by
one point.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
And so, first of all, how are you feeling, Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm feeling good. You know, I'm still learning, and I
made it to halftime. So you made it longer than
I did, and woke up and watched the highlights.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I might have made it long. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know, when you're asleep, you think stuff is going on,
and it may be playing things subconsciously in your mind.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
But the team can still stay optimistic.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I mean, you know, yeah, it was a one point loss,
but look at that great comeback though. I mean it
started off the Bears were like just being given points. Look,
I always wonder why do teams win the toss and
then give the ball away anyway? And I'm like, see
that that was their first three points right there.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Strategy, you know, and a score for the folks who
couldn't make it, like Kevin and I to the end
was Chicago twenty five Washington twenty four. As he mentioned,
it's a field goal that decided it. But here's the deal, though, Kevin,
because the next game is the Cowboys, and we talked
about this, I think yesterday, and that rivalry is always there.
And I was saying to myself, well, it's Cambrian much

(02:57):
for arrival since the Cowboys just came lost the close
game as well. But now the Commanders lost the close game,
so he tends to kicks up again. He's got two
losing teams coming in play again.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, but we can't play the Bears cheap. I mean,
that's the way they've been playing later. They've been coming
in at the last minute with the outstanding win, you know.
And and can you go through a whole season like
that on the edge like that? And that that is
the question. But you know, Daniels showed his old form

(03:33):
and you know he's back and ready to go. Deebo
Samuels was pretty good and once Terry McLaren gets well,
it's gonna be watched out.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
So you know we'll be in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
But anyway, do you feel happy for Chicago for the
quarterback Caleb? You know, I was coming home and he
wins at home against the team that they probably rooted
for growing up. In the DMV that was a touching
look at things, no question.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
They showed scenes of Gonzaga school and you know, talking
about him being from DC. You know, you know, still
he was the opposing team, car the opposing team, never mind.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
But you know what, they'll always be compare both of
those quarterbacks forever because they came out at the same time,
you know, so they'll always be those comparisons. So which
ones better, who made the better deal, who should have
been drafted first, or you know all that kind of stuff,
And they're always going to look at their numbers. But
I'm not sure sure if the players themself care about that.
They just want to win.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, that is the idea.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Winning is the thing, man, And you know, especially in
a sports event like the NFL. What it started way
back and one of the I don't know if it
was an AD or one of those info things, where
the NFL started way back in nineteen thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
And it's still going strong.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's an amazing uh influence in the world. I remember
when uh, you know, they didn't think a black person
could be your quarterback. Now you better have a black quarterback.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
So yes, and you look at the future now these games.
There's there's a game we're gonna play in London, uh,
and it was played in London last week, and there's
another game in London this week. They're trying to end
and internationalized the game. The games is being played in
Mexico and Madrid and also being played in Brazil as well.

(05:34):
So they're trying to do the live with the NBA
because the NBA has now it's got a lot of
international players on the NBA team's roster. In fact, Milwaukee's
got three brothers, three uh you know, brothers on the
same team. So and they're and they're international foreign players,
blood brothers. If three blood brothers, first time it's happened.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, So we're gonna ask uh, you know, doctor Joe
Horne is those a lot about sports. He's gonna be
with us tomorrow so we can ask him about that.
But well, the point I'm going came. They're trying to
internationalize the game and and it's it's gonna be a
hard role because for many people in those soccer crazy
countries like the UK and Brazil and Mexico. For them,

(06:19):
this is sort of like rugby.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
You know, this is right. The rest of the world
calls football or something else. It's football.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
We call it soccer. They call it football, and they
wonder why why is it you kick the ball that
you that's that you know, so it should be football.
You know, that's football, I should say, so they for them,
this is like rugby. So it's gonna be interesting to
see because I like basketball. You know. Well, there's a
compassion of basketball called thing called netball, and I think

(06:49):
that that might be played in the Olympics as well.
I think most of the women play that that sport
that's comparable to to to basketball. So we'll see, if
you know, all these things that start on this now,
they're trying to spread out globally because they understand that
the world has become smaller just because of the internet. Now, yeah,
you know, so that's that's where we are now with

(07:09):
these sports they have the At the bottom line, let
me just add this real quick. It's about the money,
always about always about the money, and Meanwhile, the people
with the flat world theory are becoming more correct all
the time.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
The world is becoming flat. Hey, look in other news,
the Supreme Court, the Conservatives are poised to get the
Voting Rights Act man. Two years ago, the Supreme Court
surprise the observers and even some inside the Court when
it preserved the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act. But
now it's up for question. The Court may be on

(07:45):
the brink of forbidding the consideration of race and redistricting,
an erodent state's ability to consolidate blacks or other racial
minorities into majority minority congressional districts to boost their chance
of electing a candidate of their choice.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
This is a big deal of family. This is what
Kevin is reporting this morning. This is a very, very
big deal. They're going to do that on Wednesday, And
this morning we're going to have two attorneys who are
fighting against that. Attorney Barbara on Wine's gonna join us,
and also Darrel Jones, And in fact they're going to
be out on Capitol Hill while the hearing is taking place.
A whole bunch of folks protesting because this could shape

(08:24):
the fact. This is Kurtail. You know how voting privileges
if there was one, so especially this is a Supreme Court,
this conservative Supreme Court. So we don't know which way
they're going to roll, but at least we'll have some
people to analyze it coming up this morning later this morning.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Wow, Man, just trying to figure out to take away
your power again, right, And meanwhile, North Carolina announces plans
to vote on a new map amid nationwide redistrict in
North Carolina. So that also the South is being affected
by both the Supreme Court and that North Carolina GOP.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, it's Jerry Manner. North Carolina's trying to do what
Texas did, and all the bottom line is they're trying
to restrict us from voting, even though they say it's
a Republican Democrat. They just redrawing the district boundaries to
give Republicans a better chance of winning. That's that's what
it says. And in North Carolina, they usually you know,
the governor has more doesn't have the power to stop it.

(09:25):
So it looks like the state legislatu are going to
push that through. So that's gonna be another thing to
keep our eyes on.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
But isn't it like a pyrrhic victory.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
In other words, you're not really winning if you're going
to change the rules to play the game. I mean,
it's like you're playing chess and the other person that
you take their queen away right away.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You know, you don't get to play with the queen.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Right. But but but having said that, though, Kevin, it's
the results. I get that. But it's the results.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, that's true. They just want their party to be
the one. Hey, but look, man for your time. We've
got Minister Christina Flowers standing by, and meanwhile, have a
wonderful Wednesday, the fourteenth.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
All right, oh no, today is tues.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Today's Tuesday. Your way ahead, Kevin, I know that's a
good thing. Yes, all right, family, eleven minutes at the
top of the other, Minister Christina Flowers, grand rising, welcome
back to the program and rise.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Into you call and all your great listeners. Great morning,
Happy Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yes, ma'am, thank you. Let me just say a family.
Christina Flowers is a homeless advocate the streets of Baltimore.
That's where that's her office, that's where she works, and
selfishly she's trying to help that fee on house to
folks with they now refer to instead of calling them homeless,
because many of us are close to or maybe one

(10:53):
paycheck away from joining many of these folks, so shouldn't
look down on them too. And I knows that there.
Sometimes you know, people think, oh, because they don't have
a place to stay, they're much better than these folks,
and they don't want to help them. Not so, so
we're trying to help those people, these un housed folks,
especially in Baltimore this morning with Christina Flowers, but all
over the country, if you will, so as Flowers, has

(11:17):
anything changed since we last spoke.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
You know, brother Carl, we have so many different seasons
when it comes to dealing with our homeless community. That's
why I always say it's different levels to advocating, as
different levels to activism when you're dealing with such a
vulnerable population. So this is a three hundred and sixty

(11:40):
five day assignment for Velvet. They're real care providers because
we're constantly working on awareness, bringing consciousness to those of
us to really realize what's going on on a day today.
Basis when it comes to dealing with our most vulnerable,
our homeless individuals, you know, the substance abusers that sleep

(12:05):
outside to So we really are working on, you know,
just building a great infrastructure here in Baltimore City. And
you know, one of the biggest things with our homeless
community here, Carl and I'm kind of I'm kind of
open for your listeners or those who are listening at

(12:26):
making you know, really shine some insight because one of
the things we've been working on the past six months
is just our conditions of our shelters, the resources, the services,
the infrastructure of these shelters that our homeless individuals will

(12:47):
go and seek not only shelter, Carl and I want
to say not only shelter, because some of us look
at shelters as just a shelter. It's just a place
for the homeless people to go, you know, but our
shelters bring much more when we talk about mental health,
when we talk about resources, when we talk about wrap

(13:11):
around services, once we get homeless individuals to a place
where they seek this type of help and shelters are
our shelters.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Really meaning the needs of.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
This chronically vulnerable population. And that's one of the biggest
issues here in Baltimore City because you know, basically it's
a really sore eye right now, because we do have
you know, two new hotels at Baltimore City occupied a

(13:45):
little over a year ago just to start addressing a
lot of the street homeless sheltering, right so, and these
two shelters, these two hotels has definitely been I'm going
to say, a real disappointment to Boaltimore City when it
comes to housing our most vulnerable individuals. And I'm sure

(14:08):
people can talk about shelters all over the world when
it comes to the point of accountability, and shelters are
not just shelters, you know, they are our taxpayer dollars.
That is like an incubator to where, you know, once
we get the person there, what are we really doing

(14:30):
to be able to rehabilitate? What are we really doing
to really be able to isolate the services that they need,
whether it's for their mental health, you know, whether it's
for their substance abuse. Are we really allowing these buildings
that we're calling shelters to be a part of the
solution because taxpayer dollars is involved here. Car So one

(14:55):
of the things we're going at the also this week
because it's Bourtimore City, is civil rights. They say this
is the week of Civil Rights Awareness. You know it's
a lot of civil rights.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well see you well hold that phone right there, Minster Flowers.
We got to step aside for our first break. When
we come back there, I'll let you expound on that. Also,
tell us now that the weather's getting cooler, does that
change your missions? Does this change your tactics to helping
the unhoused or the homeless folks? You want to join
this conversation with our guest, the minister Christina Flowers. She
works in Baltimore. She's taking the task of looking out

(15:30):
for our homeless population. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six a
kitsch you went to speak to Minister Flowers and we'll
take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for waking up with us. Twenty minutes after the top
of they are with our guest, the Baltimore Homeless Advocate,
Minister Christina Flowers. Minister Flowers, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
And yes, thank you, welcome back. Call to you as well.
You know we were just talking about and discussing some
of the upcoming plans and reference to our homeless community.
Here in Baltimore City, you know, we have so many
different levels of advocating. So basically what we are working

(16:11):
on now because it's an upcoming civil rights week, you know,
Civil Rights Week, and you know, I'm really you know,
looking and seeking ways to understand how does the civil
rights movement and some of their resources are able to

(16:31):
assist and help our most vulnerable population because here in
Baltimore City, there's so many i'm going to say misinformed
things that are going on in reference to our homeless community.
But when you look at some of the tactics and

(16:52):
the issues that they're dealing with, we have homeless people
here that's taking themselves to court or they're being taken
to court by a lot of housing service providers. We
got providers here like Catholic Charities United Way. You know,
these entities are actually taking the homeless people to court,

(17:15):
whether it's evicting them, whether it's displacing them from some
of the programs or some of the supportive housing programs
that they've been a part of.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
And this, to me, Carl, is like a.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Violation of everything. It's really inhumane when we got our
homeless people in court with no lawyers, no representation, no
individuals there to advocate on their behalf when they've been
handled and dealt with in such an unjustifiable way. You know,
we give our tax dollars to agencies or programs to

(17:54):
help rehabilitate, but at the same time, these same programs
are hurt them more than it's helping them. And when
it gets to a point like last week, I had
three homeless individuals, all of them going to court call
you know, for evictions or being put out of programs
because it's like people trying to evictim like they got

(18:17):
somewhere to go, Like you put them in this program
for two three years, you absorbed all of their insurance money,
you absorbed all of the resources, and then you want
to put them back out on the street. To me,
that's like a civil rights violation, you know, whatever, whatever

(18:38):
the terminology is. I feel like no one is being
affected more than our homeless population and our underserved people.
So when we have people publicly advertising and promoting civil
rights and they're part of a civil rights movement and
they advocate or they bring lost services to our homeless population,

(19:03):
where is it, Like, I'm like, where is it in
Baltimore City? When legal aid will not even stop a
step up and help homeless individuals. But once they get
to court, the most disturbing thing, Carl is you got
the homeless individuals, and you got the man's office of
homeless services or that service provider with two to three lawyers,

(19:27):
Like they got two to three lawyers standing next to them,
the homeless person don't have nobody. The homeless person just
standing there with their eviction or the reasons that they
have created to want them to move out, and they
have no type of legal representation. And in Baltimore City,
it's a big problem because when you see these types

(19:51):
of inhumane conditions and you see these unjustifiably behaviors coming
from people, whether it's the shelter, the staff, you need
to be to speak up and say who is here
to represent or to help the homeless population to go
against all of these unrighteous behaviors from people like and

(20:13):
when I say behaviors called, you know they do anything
from creating stories, telling lies on the homeless people to
get them put out, Like we got a very sick
population of people that we are called to help or
to be helpers, or they're employed to be helpers. But

(20:36):
at the same time, they causing more trauma, more devastation,
you know, than when the person first went into the shelter.
Now you're getting evicted, Now you're getting put out your program,
Now you're being retraumatized. And it's all by a system.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Mind you.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now, it's all by a system that's supposed to be
designed to rehabilitate or help them. So that's one of
my biggest questions, like where are those civil rights people
that talk civil rights, you boast about civil rights. Why
are none of these entities available for our most vulnerable people.

(21:14):
Why nobody in this city of Baltimore wants to legally support,
represent or even advise. And I'm gonna say advise because
I done have homeless people walking into legal aid, they
have walked into other pro bono places, just seeking some help,
seeking some legal support, seeking someone to help navigate them

(21:39):
through a system.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Mind you.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Now they getting evicted and come being dragged to court
by individuals that hood or other service providers are paying
them to be a part of helping them. It's like
you're supposed to be here to help them, but you're
standing here with two three plays trying to devastate them

(22:03):
more trying to make them homeless again. So it's really
confusing from my part call because again, as a homeless
advocate specialist, I try to go deeper, like we got
to go deeper when we see a system, especially in
Baltimore City. You know, we should not have people living

(22:24):
in the woods. We should not have these individuals in
these predicaments and in these situations when we have so
much revenue, so much service providers.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
So well, let me jump in here at Minister Flowers
at twenty six minutes after the top of they are
is the issue? Is the issue? Does it boil down
to money? Is it all about cash? Who's getting money?
Or I'm trying to figure out what's going on here,
especially in the city of Baltimore where you work, or
Baltimore County. Is it the funds that are being appropriated
or misappropriated? What's going on here?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Well, mismanagement and misappropriation is a big issue in t
More City. I don't know about a lot of other cities.
I can't speak for them, but in Baltimore City, there's
always an issue within our homeless community, not only our
homeless community, within the education system. A lot of these

(23:16):
systems deal with mismanagement misappropriation is a big issue in
the homeless community. Call because we have had numerous of
public issues, whether it's through the news of homeless funds,
funds that's being delegated and should be given to the

(23:37):
homeless community. You know, we don't see the effects of
it on the streets. You know, we still see people
intent living under the bridge, living in the woods. There's
not a real impact on our homeless community with the
amount of money that comes into Baltimore City, with the
amount of revenue that comes into Boltimore's city.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right, let me jump in there again, the minister flowers,
But I'm glad you're saying this because obviously you're waking
up some of the taxpayers because it's their money that's
being spent and there's been miss misappropriated. If they should
speak up. Have you made a wider appeal to the
Baltimore City residents they understand how this money or these
programs are being mismanaged and some of the money being misappropriated.

(24:23):
If you made a wider appeal because it's their money,
they should have a stake and have a say in
what's going on, especially when it comes to the homeless.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Well in Baltimore City call right now, we have so
many investigations and I'm gonna say coming out of the
IG office, is so many investigations going on when it
comes to organizations and entities that are mismanaging and misappropriating
the funds. When you have our homeless individuals again speaking out,

(24:55):
trying to draw up their own you know, defense against
the system, you know, it is obvious that it is
not being handled appropriately. And that comes to the fact
of the relationships. Whether it's our director. You know, we
done have about six new directors of homeless services within

(25:16):
this decade, and now this homeless director, you know, her
focus is more on investors, developing and making sure that
the overall system works accordingly to those stakeholders or those
investors that they show interests. She has no interest in

(25:39):
under the bridge, she has no interest in people in
our veterans living in the woods. It's not her focus.
So obvious this is not the type of homeless director
that is designed for Baltimore City. You know, we don't
have great numbers. We're looking at probably about thirty five
hundred homeless individuals on any given night that's experiencing homelessness.

(26:04):
That's including utilizing the emergency shelters, so we don't have
great numbers like Chicago and New York. That's how we know,
and we understand that by design, our homeless community is
under attack. It's a crisis within the resources. When we

(26:24):
got mothers and children fighting inside of a shelter, fighting
bit bugs, fighting mode, fighting the unjustice through staff, people
like they are being subject to so much retaliation just
for wanting to speak up, I mean, just for wanting
to say, can you help us, help get our children

(26:47):
to school, help us to kind of rebuild, put in
some services, put in some financial literacy. They're not taking
the programs to the individuals that needed the most. Their
public gaining more funds for programs, and it's not helping
the people on the ground that needs to help.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Right and let me jump here again at twenty nine.
Away from the top they are because obviously they've been
ignoring the folks as you're saying, if we take your
word for the people who are on House, the homeless
of right now as we speak, but then we have
a bunch of layoffs, especially in the federal government level.
You may you may see the ranks of the homeless
on House folks increase. Are you prepared to deal with that?

(27:28):
With these folks, these newly folks who find themselves on
the outside, do you think they'll be more active since
they're new to the game. You know, as you know,
for the folks who have been homeless, they've sort of
been institutionalized like prisoners, so they know how to play
the game, they know how it works, they know how
to survive. But these new folks who are probably joining
the ranks who just lost their jobs, were being laid

(27:48):
off or not necessarily from the federal government, but from
other enities because a lot of these companies are downsizing.
Do you think that will Do you think that will
make a change? You think there'll a new a new
spirit of activism because you seem like to be the
lone ranger out there. Do you think you'll get some
help for when these other folks because these folks, you know,
they voted, they've probably got rice to vote, and you know,

(28:09):
things that they need to change, and you'll get some
help in trying to make a change for the homeless
in Baltimore City.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
And you're correct call, because so many new people are
experiencing or facing homelessness, and if they're doing it in silence.
Like some people feel like, you know, I could go
sleep on such and such couch, I can go camp
out over grandma house. These these solutions are not a

(28:36):
solution for a people's sake. You know, we know what
the problem is. Everyone is hitting that time where crisises
are arising, crisises are approaching, and some people that are
experiencing it for the first time, yes, they are more devastated.

(28:56):
They really at that point of understanding how our system
is by design creating homelessness, or it's creating ways that
people have to experience homeless But the resources on the ground,
whether it's the vacant houses, whether it's the solutions of

(29:16):
the single room occupacies, these programs are not functioning out
a way of engagement. And when you're talking about engagement,
you're talking about taking individuals out of that circumstance, out
of that situation, and creating and creating a solution for

(29:36):
those individuals. When you're kind of like just bundling everybody
up together, when you got somebody new trying to seek
out the homeless resources or they calling me like where
I could get help at to pay my mortgage, Like
I'm in my mind, to pay your mortgage. People trying
to pay rent that's experiencing homelessness. Now you got people

(29:59):
that's looking at help pay their mortgages. So that becomes
a devil, like a devil slap in the faith, because
now the resources that are already being mismanaged and misappropriated
for while less fortunate or the poor or the needy,

(30:21):
now these resources have to be spreaded out towards those
economy of individuals that's workers used to being working. Now
they're seeking the social service revenue, they're seeking the food stamps,
they're seeking the ways to keep their houses level now.

(30:42):
So it's like it's like a double jeopardy when we're
now dealing with a new culture of individuals facing or
experiencing homelessness. And in case anyone listening and they back
two three mortgage payments and you're trying to play catch up,
you got people. Now that's so trickery. They taking people houses,

(31:05):
They taking seniors and elderly people houses call just because
of miswater build or mispayments. So everybody's trying to benefit
off of those pressed population of people.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, I've heard some of those stories as well. Meant
mister Flowers. But the question is though, what can we do?
How can we help you?

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Every day called? And I say every day because we
are a NonStop movement on this. I thank God for
the ability and the strength to do what He has
called and anointed us to do.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
So.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
I always tell people, you know, resources, gifts, talents. I
don't care if it's donations support meeting their needs where
he at. I don't care if it's a can of
spaghetti and the spaghettios that they warm up on a campfire.
We always create a way here to directly address our

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homeless population.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know we are, aren't you well, Minister Flowers? Hold,
I thought they are. I'll let you expound on that
because this is important because you need help. You can't
fight this fight all by yourself in Baltimore City, but
we got to step aside and get caught up with
the latest news, traffic, and weather in out different cities
are twenty four minutes away from the top day have family.
You want to join this conversation with Minister Christina Flowers.
You want help or you've got some advice, reach out

(32:24):
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seven six and we'll take your phone calls after the news,
trafficing weather, that's next and Grand Rising family. Thanks for
waking up with us on this Tuesday morning, seventeen minutes
away from the top of the out of our guest
at Christina Flowers and Minister Christina Flowers from Baltimore. She's
a homeless advocate. She's one of these people in our
community who's just unselfishly looking out for others and that's

(32:45):
her job. Before we go back to it, let me
just remind you come up later this morning. You can
hear from a chairman, Fred Hampton. He'll check in. Also
civil rights attorneys Darryl Jones and Barbara Online. We've been
talking about the civil rights vote, the voting rights and
measure that's going to be The Supreme Court have a
hearing on Wednesday. They're going to break it down for us.
But before we get to them, doctor Brandon Gamble from
the Association of Black Psychologists, who will share his expert

(33:08):
analysis of what the black community should respond to all
these changes taking place. You know a lot of folks
are confused, don't know what to do. Someone to cut
and run, someone say they're going to stay because you know,
we built this country and all that kind of stuff. Well,
he's going to break it down for us how we
should respond. And later this week we're going to pay
attention to the Million Man March with two of the architects,
one of them being the Reverend Willie D. Wilson with

(33:29):
Reverend doctor Willie Wilson from Union Temple Baptist Church in Washington,
d C. And the other one being Quanti creator doctor
Malana Karenga. Now, these were two of the first persons
that doctor that uh, hold on a second, then we could.
I can hear a voice in the background, but these
are one two of the people that uh Minister Farkahan
called when he decided to create the Million Man March.

(33:51):
In fact, doctor Karenga wrote the manifesto also from the
University of Houston. Doctor Gerald Horn will be with us.
So let's go back to mister Christina Flowers. Minister Flowers,
I'll let you finish your thought because I know you're
out there on your own and the weather's changing a lot.
More people are are becoming homeless and so and you
have the situation that you're telling us about the misapprobation

(34:12):
with funds and also the mismanagement of those funds as well.
So I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Also called when we talk about engagement, right, you know,
it's really important that not only myself as a radio host,
that we understand that at our listeners and those that
are you know, being that supportive of us, understand that,
you know, this is a value time right now. And

(34:41):
I say that because yes, when the winter months start approaching,
it is more critical times. You know, it's critical all
year long when our homeless individuals are residing and living
on the streets or living in elements or weathers. So
when the winter months it is, it is much more

(35:02):
critical time for outreach. It's much more critical time for
meeting their needs, whether with blankets, coats, any type of
warming outside supplies. I mean, if you think about it,
we use it. You know, we got generators that we
go to some of the encampments with. So our needless

(35:24):
is always always on our website, you know, but we
always acts and individuals to support to donate what we're
doing because we are a self sustainable organization. And I
say that proudly, Carl, because I truly believe God has
made a way for this organization for fourteen years to

(35:48):
operate without the government and the state money dictating on
how we meet the needs of our people. So it's
totally you know, individuals, businesses, other entrepreneurs that has really
sustained us and supported our movement because we got a

(36:09):
hands on approach here in Baltimore City. You know, when
people call, we're there. We try to meet the needs,
whether it's temporary housing, whether it's the emergency shelter piece.
I like God to use my influences and my reputation
to help the people. And I say that because you know,

(36:31):
some may want to call me a rebel, some may
want to call me whatever they choose to. As long
as it's benefiting and helping our voiceless population, I consider
my work well done and that makes me also have
a confidence that this is a Godly movement. This is

(36:53):
about kingdom building. When you see individuals are left to
suffer at the level at their bottom and I say
rock bottom. Some people hitting rock bottom for the first time,
some people savings accounts being absorbed. You know, when you
hitting rock bottom for the first time, some people don't

(37:13):
have a capacity nor the strength to tolerate that type
of thing. So my prayer is that we all come
to an understanding of homelessness, houseless, underserved, our mental ill
challenging population. If we're not being a part of the solution,
we could also be a part of the problem. And

(37:36):
I believe it's our social obligation, especially as a minister myself,
I have a personal obligation to these sheep. You know,
God say you be a shepherd over these sheep. And
I know for the years that He had planted us,
whether it's been managing an encampment, being under the bridge,

(37:56):
being where it at, I know that's God's work. So
that gives me the confidence and the boldness to be more.
You know, we have not because we ask not. We
ask for the help, we ask for the financial resources,
but we action from God's people. We asking from those
who want to be a part of the solution. So

(38:17):
when you hear people publicizing, especially when it comes to
Baltimore City, they talk about homelessness or donating or giving
to the homeless. We had an article last week We're
one of our football stars talk about giving twenty million
dollars to homeless. It was actually a Bortemore City raven
and I'm in my mind, where is he putting it

(38:39):
at in Baltimore City, Because if you're putting it back
in the hands of the oppressor, if you're putting money
back in the hands of people who is kind of
hands on behind the mismanagement, behind the misappropriation, then you're
not a donator. You're a part of the problem, not

(39:00):
looking to be a solution. And know you know this
is this is to address on the streets. You know
this is this is hearts on the ground round here.
Call it ain't boots on the ground no more. We
got hearts on the ground and were really trying to
make a difference and save lives. So you know, my
biggest request for Baltimore City is, and I tell everybody,

(39:23):
we need to have our mayor. Our mayor Brandon Scott
needs to become a good listener. He needs to not
only listen to humanity, but he needs to listen to
those local community leaders like myself who not asking him
for anything.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
But we supposed let me jump here because you're right
about the mayor. But before we get to the mayor,
what about the city council members? What about with this
homeless population? Is what about those folks? Have you have
you had conversations with him yet, mister Flowers call.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
And a lot of times and your right. You you know,
we can have conversations with our city council leaders here
and it's like going in one end out the other.
And I say that because when we have discussions with them,
and I've had numerous of discussions with council people just
in reference to a lot of agencies, a lot of programs,

(40:21):
a lot of services that are not being effective, and
a lot of times with them, I come to recognize that,
you know, they can't just take a complaint. They don't
just take a complaint and feel like, Okay, this is
a complaint. They take things as they like a bulk.

(40:42):
They look for a bulk, or they look for something
that will bring them more of a reputation somewhere. I
don't want to know where. I don't want to assume
what a lot of our council people are doing. But
a lot of times our council people, whether it's our
city council president as well, they know what's going on.

(41:05):
And I'm going to say that, and I could say
that clearly about Baltimore City, our city council people, our mayor,
our City Council President Zekey Cohen. They know what's going on.
Ask me how I know they know what's going on,
car because emailing them, I'm talking to them, I'm sitting

(41:29):
you know.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
And that's what I was thinking about when you mentioned that,
contacting the mayor and the city council members, because many
of the homeless probably don't have telephones or probably don't
have access to email and all that kind of stuff.
That the new techniques that that people communicate with. Is
that a problem for Is that part of the issue
as well? In Minister Flowers, it's.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
A major problem in our homeless community. They don't even
give out the free cell phones like they used to
because that became some type of scam, some scandal.

Speaker 9 (42:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
So we got a big issue because again, all of
our homeless individuals don't have that comprehension of advocating for themselves.
You may have a handful of them that's now waking
up to some things, and yes, they are kind of
like pushing their way through, but they're being faced with

(42:22):
a lot of opposition. You know, they're being faced with
big time lawyers. They can't go and advocate and fight
for their rights for housing, or roof over their head.
When you have the same agencies, like I said at
the beginning, you have these same agencies that are supposed
to be serving them, supporting them and helping them. Now

(42:45):
these agencies are taking them to court, and when they
get the court, they facing lawyers from the city. Like
you got a city, you will give your service provider
a lawyer or avocate, but you won't give the homeless
person a lawyer or advocate to go to court with.
Like no one is willing to fight against a system

(43:09):
for the homeless population. That's why I'm real intrigued and
interested and understanding. And again if any of your callers
want to call me four one zero three six five, five,
five sixty seven, I'm really interested in civil rights weak
and how does this help those that are going through

(43:30):
going through the issues that they are facing.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
How does it right home?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Authority? I got a question for you, since you're on
a legal fight, do you have any attorneys who are
willing to do some pro bono work for you? If not,
can you get some law students who are willing to
take it on as a project to help the homeless?
Have you made any appeals that way? Can you get
anybody in the legal department to help.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
This is our appeal process right now, Carl. That's why
I thank you for having us so on. Because we
have reached out to legal Aid, we have reached out
to some of the pro bono free services and Baltimore
City and once again a lot of the individuals are
being told that their cases, they don't want to take

(44:15):
their case, or their case may not be you know
enough people. You know, like when we're dealing with the hotel,
we're dealing with the mode, we're dealing with families that
are going through medical issues, and when somebody say, well,
you need to get more than two of y'all, like
we need the whole host. Like a lot of these

(44:37):
lawyers or people that have this ability to defend them,
they're not understanding that our individuals and the shelters, they
have to face retaliation. They have to face people bullying them,
threatening them to put them out on the street. I
don't know why. Consciously a lot of individuals want the homeless.

(45:00):
I want them to come all out at one time
and speak up. I would love for them to call
but I know and I have learned over the years
that the retaliation against the homeless community is so by design.
And I say that because if people see them speaking
out or complaining, they start making their stay untolerable. They

(45:25):
start creating things putting them out. You know, I had
a man they would they falsely accused him.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Well, hold that story right there, because we got to
step aside for a moment, Minister Christina Flowers. I'll let
you tell her story about a man that was falsely
accused it. But four minutes away from the top there,
we got to check the traffic and weather in our
different cities. Family, you two can get in on this
conversation with homeless advocate Minister Christina Flowers. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
to seventy six and we'll take a phone calls after

(45:53):
the trafficking weather that's next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for starting your day with us this Tuesday morning. I
guess there's a minister Christina Flowers. She's a homeless affacant
works in the streets of Baltimore City. Am'ma tellor. We're
gonna speak with doctor doctor Gamble. He's remember Brandon Gamble.
He's a member of the Association of Black Psychoagius and
this is the probably one issues we'll talk to him
about as well. But Minister Flowers, before we left for

(46:14):
the traffican weather updates you about to tell us the story,
So I'll let you finish that story for us.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
And it was basically just just bringing to the light
how deep, how deep it goes when you talk about
being when people are just attacking our homeless community. So
one of our young guys was told he was attempted
to be put out of the hotel basically because they

(46:40):
said he was smoking marijuana outside of the hotel. They
have retaliated against him because he's one of the individuals
that went and wrote his own court papers up. So
what he did the next day after they tried to
say he was smoking marijuana outside of the facility, he
went and got it pits tests. He was so serious

(47:05):
and understanding how far this system will go to discredit
their reputation. Now you can think, how do you want
to discredit a homeless person reputation? How do you want
to make them look like, you know, they're not with it.
They literally did this, and he went and got a

(47:27):
piss test next day to prove that he hasn't smoked
marijuana in over thirty years, but he knowed that it
was just something created as a lie. And this was
too put into agreements and not follow through. I'm in
my mind thinking, I guess because again, when you're talking

(47:49):
accountability to these big establishments, to these big agencies, they
can always sweep things under the rug, like they can
make a homeless person look uncreditable. They can make them
look like they're out of their mind in all kinds
of ways. And it's happening a lot. So me at

(48:10):
the level that I see it at, I gotta constantly
reframe and I say, refrained from a lot of I'm
gonna say aggressiveness towards the system that I see and
I'm experiencing. This is by design, Like we got a
system that's designed to hurt, not too equipping in power.

(48:33):
They are there to hurt a lot of our homeless community,
or they want to discredit them or make them look like,
you know, they turning down housing. They're not turning down housing.
Some homeless people have children, they don't want their children,
and a lot of violence a lot of places right there.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Because we got to move on, because we have a
next guess on debt. But are you seeing an increase
and children in the homeless camps these days, Minister Flowers.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
They have been an increase in our youth homelessness if
you have been I don't know how much you watch
the news in Baltimore City, but probably over this past
month we have even found young youth deceased and baked houses.
We just had a young girl out of the foster
care system that was found deceased in a hotel downtown.

(49:31):
So when you're talking about agencies, when you're talking about DSS,
when you're talking about foster care, all of these agencies
are becoming entangled together. Like DSS is calling homeless services
homeless services. They trying to connect with Family Provision. You

(49:51):
got foster care, If homeless services got a hotel room,
then again you're just mixing everybody in different populations, and
we don't know if they're putting youth in a more
dangerous situation because you are putting them in unattended hotels.
You know, you got to be really careful how we

(50:13):
are dealing with the population, whether it's the youth that
is experiencing homelessness, It's like everybody should be handled in
their own and their own herita away, whatever you're dealing with,
if you're dealing with that substance abuse, if you're dealing
with the mental illness, if you're dealing with trauma, if

(50:36):
you're dealing with things that you should be triage for,
you should be engaged for, and you should be having
a plan put together for each person that's experiencing homelessness.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Car So you know we're gonna cut it that because
we've got another guest down deck. But listen, I just
want to thank you for what you do. We should
have a Christina Flowers in every city to look out
for homeless and people listening all across the country now
and if they can help you obviously, because you need
help fighting all the logistics with the city for funds
and just help. And now the weather's getting cooler, you're

(51:14):
going to need much more help. And then all these layoffs,
these especially in the folks who work for the federal
government and some of the private companies are reducing as well.
It's going to be much more acute problem for you.
So how can folks reach you if they want to
help you, and what do you need?

Speaker 4 (51:29):
You reach out to me? We have a website called www.
Help for Tomorrow's Homeless dot org. You can reach me
by text directly to my cell phone. I will return
your texts. That's at four one zero, that's three six
five five five sixty seven. And we are always available

(51:50):
if it's picking up donations. If you have donations, we'll
try to avail ourself and call. I just want to
give a quick shout out and closing, because I know
DC is about to be having a wonderful radio host
around there, Sister Jennifer Jalencia. She is with the Homeless
Kings and Queens and DC and she's going to be

(52:14):
coming on board of our WLB ten ten am Family Call,
and I have encouraged her to reach out to you.
I am her mentor, she calls me her mentor. But
she does the work every Saturday in DC in front
of the mid Snider Shelter. She's feeding, she's serving them.

(52:34):
So I'm looking forward and I'm excited about what she's
going to be bringing to the airways coming straight out
of DC Call. So I'm looking forward to that. Thank
you so much, call for always letting our voice come
on and be heard from Baltimore City from this homeless
advocate specialist. I thank you so much for the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
No, I thank you because you're doing the work, your
boots on the ground, So I want to thank you
for continuing to do that. Anytime you need a help,
just give us a call. You Carl all right, family,
that's a minister. Christina Flowers is a homeless advocate out
of Baltimore Citium. And some folks are just maybe a
paycheck away from joining the homeless, or they're sleeping in
their cars or couch surfing with friends. It's a serious problem.

(53:18):
It's only going to get worse. It's we talked about
the pending layoffs and governments shut down and companies downsizing
as well. Anyway, we're going to do some of that
with Our next guest is doctor Brandon Gamble is from
the Association of Black Psychologists. Doctor Gamble, Grand Rising, welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 10 (53:35):
Well, thank you, good to be back with you.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
You know, we got a lot of issues. Yeah, we've
got a lot of issues. You know, homeless is just
part of it. But we when I talked to folks,
Dr Gamble, they they're sort of not I wouldn't say confused,
but anxiety levels have risen that they don't know what
to do. Some folks have just cut and run. You know,

(54:00):
you've seen that they moved to the Costa Rica. We
moved to Ghana or to the islands or somewhere, and
other folks say, we're not going to We built this country,
so you know, blood, sweat and tears are in all
these buildings. You know, we created this. We're going to
stand out ground, we're going to plant the flag, and
we're going to fight. And other folks just don't know
what to do, whether they you know, his like on

(54:20):
a swivel. Where should I go or should I run?
Should I go? How do we deal with all of this?
Start to gamble?

Speaker 10 (54:27):
Well, I'll at least tell you where I'm coming from
before I give you a few of my answers.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
Just real quickly.

Speaker 10 (54:33):
The Association of Black Psychologists sees its mission and destiny
as the liberation of the African mind, empowerment of the
African character, and enlightenment and the illumination of the African spirit.
So you're right about the increased anxiety, even studies recently
after COVID. So since twenty twenty two, there's been an

(54:53):
increase of black people seeking mental health services, especially since
twenty twenty. Yet another trend show that many black people
did not receive the help they needed, so only thirty
nine percent got the help that they needed compared to
fifty two percent of white folks. So there's a lot

(55:13):
of issues with you know, not receiving culturally competent providers,
historic and systemic mistrust, and racism has declared was declared
a public health crisis just four years ago. So there's
also fear of discrimination and internalized stigma when it comes
to receiving mental health services. So wanting to not be

(55:38):
where we're at and deal with a lot of the
issues that was during our current federal administration's first term,
right and then dealing with the worldwide pandemic just exacerbated
the issue, but it also made people more connected to

(55:59):
the idea that it's okay to receive mental health services
or be aware of our mental wellness and to somehow
those things also got convoluted with politics and region and
space and place, right, whether I'm thinking of going back
to Africa, or some of the folks who I know

(56:20):
who call themselves foundational Black Americans wanting to stay or
even you know, folks who are prepping for something worse,
where they're storing food, storing guns, being ready. Man it
maybe even wonder have we lived like times through times

(56:41):
like this before? Parts yes, but other parts no. This
is this is unprecedented stuff. But yeah, yeah, I hope
I'm answering your question this early in the morning over
here on the West Coast.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, and I thank you for waking up for it
to help us out with us, you know, because prior
to you, we're speaking with minister and Christina Flowers and
some about the homeless. The increase in the homeless and
mental health issues is one of the major problems too
with our homeless population, and they don't have the wherewith
it all to go even seek help, and some of
them don't know they need help. Is there still a

(57:15):
huge stigma attached to doctor Gambler for folks who need
who needs emotional support? Is it still a stigma if
you call a person like yourself or they call you
and this is a petraivik, I apologize a shrink. Is
there still that in our community?

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Well?

Speaker 10 (57:33):
I think that stigma is well earned from the overall
medical community, particularly here in the United States, given the
history of how black people were not only experimented upon,
particularly during you know the my Offer or the great
disaster that we call enslavement, and through even Jim Crow.

(57:57):
If you talk about the tuskegu syphilistic, I meant to
several other issues in regards to sterilization and forced sterilization
using people's cells. If we talk about Henrietta Lacks. The
whole medical field has even even more recently been shown

(58:20):
by doctor David Williams out of Harvard. He's shown that,
you know, there's continuing racism and perceptions that black folks.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
Don't experience pain.

Speaker 10 (58:32):
So if my medical provider, and particularly if my mental
health provider see me as someone who doesn't experience pain
in the same way that other human beings do, then
it's difficult to recommend and say, hey, you should go
see a mental health provider. However, people, and particularly this generation,

(58:56):
they're more willing to talk about the issues right.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
There before you move on, Why did they think that
we can enjoy pain more intense than they are? Is
this some vestiges of slavery? Why we you know, succeptual
to that we can absorb more more being inflicted, pain
inflicted on us than other folks. Why do they think
why do professionals think that way?

Speaker 10 (59:19):
Yeah, it's very likely a straight line because that was,
you know, part of how either textbooks were written or
how medical providers were taught that you know, we were,
and particularly black folks. And I'm saying we because I'm
one of those black folks that we were seeing as
less than human. And so if you're seen as less

(59:41):
than human, they may ascribe to you certain supernatural traits
because also sometimes that's only how they can explain how
we can do things that they couldn't do physically and
also mentally be able to endure awful tortures that they
would inflict upon us. Yeah, we would still find a
way to develop family, to thrive, to want to run away.

(01:00:05):
It's kind of in the same territory as this very old,
particularly American psychological term ispe drape dominia, starting with the
d dais and dogs drape domania, meaning that a person
who was enslaved would have the nerve and temerity and
just foolishness to want to run away from an enslaved system.

(01:00:30):
In an designed system like that where you know, right
is turned upside down and you are supposed to believe
a lie about yourself that you're inferior.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
Eventually other people start believing the lie.

Speaker 10 (01:00:45):
So by the you know, even after thirty years of slavery,
forty years of slavery, fifty sixty and so on, people
were still believing the lie that black people were not
only inferior, but also of human and capable of enduring
greater amounts of pain.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Well, let me ask you this. We'll come up on
a break and Mark from anaheis sent me a question
for you at fifteen at the top of the hour.
But it seems like we're under attack. Coming up tomorrow,
the Supreme Court is going to start have these hearings
on the civil rights of voting that very restrict our
voting privileges. It seems like every way we turn, it
seems like us and people wanted why us? Why are

(01:01:26):
we targeted? Are we just imagining this doctor gamble? Or
are we really under attack? Or is it just that
you know, we perceive it differently. Are these things, you know,
what we see coming against us, are they coming against
other groups as well? Or just like, wow, we're hallucinating,
you know. See, I think that's part of the anxiety problem.
And I'll let you respond when we get back. I'm

(01:01:47):
looking at the clock. We got a step aside for
a few moments. Sixteen minutes after the top of they
our family, You got a question for our guess doctor,
doctor Gamble reach out to us at eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Doctor Gamble
is a member of the Black psych Call Just Association.
So you've got to and don't be Bashfield. You got
a question. You know you can use a different name,
and you want to talk about it. You know, we

(01:02:07):
get it, but take advantage of his expertise. We'll take
a phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for
starting your Tuesday with us. At twenty minutes after the top,
they are. Our guest is doctor Brandon Gamble. Doctor Gamble
is from the Association of Black Psidologists. Trying to figure
out how do we deal with the situation that we're in.
It seems always seems like we're perpetually under attack. As

(01:02:27):
I mentioned, this is going to be hearing the Supreme
quote about may end up dismantling some of our voting rights.
That's going to take place tomorrow. We're going to talk
about that with the next set of guests that are
coming up. Also, we see the attack on systems, especially
black women. So doctor Gamble, help us out here. Are
we imagining things or is this this sort of organic
or do you think it's come from planet? And how

(01:02:48):
do we respond to it?

Speaker 10 (01:02:50):
Well, I will go through a few issues here real quickly.
So the election, you know, there was direct attacks on
via anti blackness, and they were really targeted towards Haitian immigrants,
but in bizarre and extreme ways, you know, talking about

(01:03:10):
they're eating the dogs, right. I don't know if anyone
remembers that one. It seems so long ago because it's
all so difficult and compounded. The other thing is that
the loss of the election, and many Black people as
well as other people of color, voted for one candidate
in particular, however, an increased number voted for the current president,

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and that kind of disjointed effort threw some people off,
especially you know, Latinos and particularly black people. And I
know there was a conversation around many black men or
an increased number of black men voting for the current president. However,
as it panned out when the actual election came through,

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black men still voted in larger percentages for the other
candidate who was the vice president. So a lot of
people are confused about the issues when people of color
lost their jobs, but they shouldn't be confused anymore being
detained by ice as we saw in Chicago. And then
there's been key programs shut down, particularly around mental health

(01:04:15):
and substance abuse just this week, and even you know,
though the CDC made efforts to combat racism as a
public health crisis, it doesn't seem like an accident that
the CDC has been rearranged and many people have been
let go, and a lot of the funding that were
going to combat racism, particularly related to mental health, have

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been cut. So also this, and this is kind of
the last piece I'll say before I fully answer your question.
The death of a prominent white nationalist on a live
social media platform, and then black people were blamed on
social media somehow, and even you know, for a moment,

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HBCUs seem to be the target of some people's ire
on social media, even though it was found that it
was a white person who did the shooting of this
white nationalist. So no, we are not imagining any of this.
This is a direct attack on Black people, but it's
been a part of an ongoing assault on our very

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being because too much of this country was built upon
a lie that Black people were inferior inhuman in order
to subjugate and enslave many of our ancestors who are
on this land. So I hope that answers the main
part of the question, because I got some good recommendations
for folks, because it's okay, stay here and think about

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are we imagining this pain?

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
No, this pain is real.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, I want you to go through them later, But
let me ask you this. So far, the MAGA group,
they've been trying to entice us, as you mentioned, to
get in. It seems like they want something more physical.
They've been coming on our campuses claiming they're trying to
recruit folks. They they say they're going to show up,
but they showed up at at our churches in Philly.
They say they come into the homecoming games as well,

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so Howard look Out and they were on the campus
of Howard University as well in Tennessee State with their
red hats, and our young folks didn't take the bait.
So I'm just wondering if they're going to do something
more so maybe use an agent provocate tour to get
things started. What what do you use? What advice you
have first for our young people, especially on the college campuses,

(01:06:35):
because seems that's where they're targeting. And you mentioned the ice.
They start off with the Ice folks, but they're still
going after ou messing with our folks in Chicago. And
Chairman Fred's going to talk about that as well when
he comes down later this morning. So how do how
do we So far, We've been pretty good. I got
to say that we haven't taken the bait, but that
means they may ramp it up. So how do we
do this on a long term basis?

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Because this is what they want. You're right, they want
us to react. They're not doing this on any other campuses,
are going to any other racial group. Just seems like us.
So I'm just wanting are we hallucinating or are we
imagining stuff? Or this real? Are we really under attack?
And what do we do? Give us the advice?

Speaker 10 (01:07:13):
This is not a drill, This is real. We are
really under attack now. One of the weapons that they
seek to use is chaos and disruption, and therefore our
response can be is not to even engage with them.
They're seeking to provoke a reaction that they could put

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on a camera or that they can put on a radio.
And I've heard many, particularly parents of young people, go
on social media who've given this consistent message of ignoring them.
Go ahead and go to class, take care of your business.
Right now is not the time to engage with these folks.

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I do appreciate administrations, and I did not only work
at HP to you, but I attended that HBCU and
while I was working there, both of my children were
attending that school, and that's Oakwood University in Huntsville, Alabama,
and I got to know the police chiefs there really well,
and as well as some of the other security forces

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that were on the campus, and they did an excellent
job of being able to be clear of who was
coming on and off of campus because those types of
threats that are unfortunately ongoing. Even when I was a
student back in the nineties, our administration was making sure
that there were not local provocateeers who are coming on

(01:08:37):
campus to try to disrupt us from what we needed
to do. So I'm sympathetic and in support of all
those folks who are on those campuses who are keeping
the students focused on the main thing, and the main
thing is their education and their ability to be able
to go out and serve our model. And I'm sure
there are a few other HBCUs that I've learned have

(01:08:58):
similar models in to learn, depart to serve, and even
if and let's say this young person is there, one
of my recommendations is coming from the late Kwame Terrae,
is to organize, organize, organize, join an organization that will
not only help you graduate, but will also help you
find a way to serve other black people and support them.

(01:09:22):
We talked about the significant needs before I came on,
and they were talking about Baltimore and the challenges there.
We've got to be supportive of one another more than
we're worried about what these missing throats.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Are up to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Twenty seven half that top you talked about earlier about
the folks who supported Donald Trump in the election, and
some of the folks, some black folks as well. You
had a turned out, as you correctly pointed out, wasn't it.
They didn't move the needle quite a bit for black men,
even though the targeted black men, you know, some sort
of misogyny because a black woman was running. We couldn't

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support a black woman, you know, because she's a woman,
or some people just couldn't support it because she was black.
These are black folks I'm talking about now, Doctor, How
do you think they now that they've seen what the
results of what they did, even if they did not
vote for Dontro or stayed home. If you stayed home,
you voted for him. So how do you think they're
rationalizing now? Are they having buyer's remorse?

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
No, some of them aren't.

Speaker 10 (01:10:22):
Some of them are making very significant efforts because they've
had to accept the lie, the lie that Donald Trump
either cares about them, or the lie of kind of
nihilism that you know, it doesn't matter what happens. Just
at least vote your conscience. The country's no worse, And

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particularly for Black Americans, they're not coming for us. They're
coming for these immigrants, even though when they see it
on the TV screen or sometimes even in person, if
they live in that same city, knowing that people are
losing their rights, knowing that people are losing their jobs,

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they're still locked into that. I do have some even
family members who have a bit of buyer's remorse because
they've lost their job. So that's a hard reality. But
many folks, until they're faced with some of those hard realities,
they're going to believe that they did the right thing
and that the right person is in power right now.

(01:11:30):
That's an interesting dynamic and my senses we're going to
be studying that for years to come. But as one
of our elders from the Association of Black Psychologist doctor
nine Acbar saying that behavior is predictable after four hundred
years of trying to convince us that we are less
than human, accepting that condition is predictable.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Having said that, at thirty minutes after the top of
they do they believe those who helped put this person
in office. They believe that ol things are going to
get better. It's only going to be there for four
years and then you know, we're going to go back
to normal. Are they buying that that recipe?

Speaker 10 (01:12:08):
They really are, They really are. They're they're hoping. And
these are folks who I talk with, interact with on
social media, but other people, whether at church or eternal organizations,
they believe that the current presidential administration is doing the
right thing and and those benefits and dividends will come

(01:12:30):
to them because they've straightened out the financial situation or
particularly the immigrant situation, and they find themselves juxtaposed or
pitted against immigrants. But also this bizarre perception that you know,
came around that there's black people aren't welfare and the

(01:12:51):
welfare budget is what's tanking the economy, not that they'd give,
you know, millions and billions of dollars to billionaires and
breaks for them. You know, Malcolm X said, you can't
hate the roots of the tree without ending up hating
the tree. You can't hate your origin without ending up
hating yourself. And at times I've had the question and

(01:13:13):
wonder like do you even like black people or love
or care for black people, or even what's your solution
or your question? And that's my question for anybody who's
politically active from the left or the right, But that
question in particularly is something I'll ask people who claim
to be a part of the mag of movement and

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who are black, and particularly who are African American, what
is your plan and what are your actions to support
black people in their times of need in times of challenge?

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Gotcha twenty eight away from the top day, I got
a tweet question for you, and I got a tweet
question from Marca Manheim. But Philip is checking in from
DC has a question for you as well as online too,
Grand Rising. Philip your question for a doctor Gamble.

Speaker 11 (01:14:00):
Hey, good morning, Carl, Good morning doctor Gamble. First of all,
I want to acknowledge you both. Thank you very much
for your work.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
So I have a.

Speaker 11 (01:14:09):
Couple of questions. The first question is, like, I know
of a few people who have gone in you know,
or you know, I've basically I've heard of situations where
people will go in and acknowledge they have a mental
health crisis or mental health.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
Thing that they're.

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
Concerned about, and they would go in but they would
be like, let's say they would need talk therapy, right,
but the people would say, hey, you know, you don't
really need talk therapy like that, and prescribing medications and
things like that, and sometimes those medications, you know, make symptoms.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
A little worse.

Speaker 11 (01:14:50):
Like, for instance, there was one I was familiar with
where it actually caused the person or persons to have
like suicidal thoughts and things like that. So I wanted
to know, like, you know, with a situation like that
where a patient is very frustrated, regarding like they want
one type of therapy, but the provider is, you know,
insisting that they get the pharmaceuticals. What should a person

(01:15:12):
do in that kind of situation.

Speaker 10 (01:15:15):
Wow, that's a great question.

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:15:17):
One of the things that I've been heartened by just
before and I would you say, around twenty sixteen, there
were several studies that came out at historically black colleges
which we've been talking about, and what they found is
that the reduction of stigma really happened for people when
they took a friend or a friend referred another student

(01:15:39):
to a really good mental health provider. So one of
the things I think that we have to do as
black folks is connect with other black folks who know
good mental health providers. So we have to spread the
word amongst ourselves about really good supports. If we get
to the point where we find that the opinion of

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one particular provider is not working most of the times
any other issue, what we'll do is seek a second opinion. Now,
sometimes either insurance or other things might be a barrier
to that, but it's okay to ask for a supervisor
or ask for someone else who's in charge. Here's an
interesting thing about medication. A lot of people think it's
going to take six to eight weeks. It may take

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six eight weeks before a person starts feeling better, but
usually sometimes it takes two to three days or even
that day before you know that you're not feeling well,
that you're feeling bad. So being aware of those symptoms,
and I would round that out to say that it's
good to have a family member or some type of
advocate that you support and who can support you in

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the process. So as if you're a person who's dealing
with a mental health challenge, is your perception of reality
is altered for a moment, So you have somebody who's
looking out for your best interests, who can check in
and pose some fundamental questions about how how are you feeling?
Remember this is part of a distorted reality. For a moment,

(01:17:07):
your perception may it better. But we can also go
and seek some different help rather than trying to lock
in on something that one person said. Again, going back
to the kind of thing that created many of the stigma,
is that there's a perception that we're not susceptible to
certain types of pain. So it's good to know what

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those side effects are for any of those kinds of things.
But it's also good to be clear, and this is
coming from the patient's side to the therapist or to
the other mental health provider, whether they're a psychiatrist or
even a nurse practitioner who prescribes medication. Is to be
clear about all the symptoms that you're having, because sometimes
there can be a misdiagnosis and it leads to poor

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medical treatment.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
But either way, it's good to know your rights.

Speaker 10 (01:17:57):
And every state has its own specific set of rights
in relation to mental health services and supports. And it's
also good to have someone who's advocating and supporting you.
I would say, if you are in an area where
there's an association a Black Psychologists chapter, perhaps you connect with
them just to make sure that you're able to have

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access to someone who may be able to provide a
second opinion. And particularly sometimes I think it's important to
have a black person diagnose a black person, especially if
you're living a very black life.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
All right, And Philip Holier second follow up question, we've
got to step aside and get caught up with the ladies' news,
traffick weather of different cities. Family, you too, want to
join our conversation with doctor Brandon Gamble. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight is
seventy six and we'll take a phone calls after news
this next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for rolling with
us on this Tuesday morning, sixteen minutes away from the

(01:18:51):
top of the hour. Shout out to teachers on the
way to work this morning. Hopefully you'll hear something on
the radio you can share with your students when you
get to class. Before we go on with our guest,
doctor Brandon Gamble, let me just remind you coming up
late this morning, Chair and Fred Hampton's going to be here,
is going to respond to the fact that the Trump
administration wants to put troops on the streets of Chicago.
He's going to do that before we do that. Though,

(01:19:13):
we were joined by two attorneys, Attorney Jones. Also we're
going to be joined by who else. Barbara on Wine
is going to be really they're part of the group
that the civil rights group Dal Jones, I should say,
the Transformative and Justice Coalition. They're going to give us
a breakdown what's going on with this voting rights issue
that's going to be for the Supreme Court on Wednesday,

(01:19:34):
So that's going to happen later this morning and late
this week, we're going to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary the
Melliam Man March with two of the architects of the
March that we're working behind the scenes. One of them
is a reverend, doctor Willie Wilson from Union Temple Baptist
Church in Washington, d C. The other is Quntent creator,
doctor Milana Kerenga. In fact, those two were on the
phones working in the Minister Farcon called both of them

(01:19:57):
first when he decided to do the Milliam Man March. Also,
doctor Kurrenger wrote the manifesto for the March. They'll be
here also, University of Houston's doctor Jerald Horn will join us.
Oh one more note that I got to mention too.
There's going to be a tribute to a sider Ship Corps.
It's gonna with the doctor Mark Lemon Hill coming in
from Phil Defford coming into town. That's going to be
on Wednesday at bus Boys and Poets. This is the

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one at fourteenth and V and it starts at six thirty.
So family, keep those announcements in mind and if you're
in the Baltimore, you keep listening to us on ten
ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV, you're rolling
on FM ninety five point nine at am fourteen fifty
w L. Let just go back to Phillip in the district. Philip,
your second question, your follow up question for doctor Gamble.

Speaker 11 (01:20:40):
Yes, thank you for thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
So you mentioned insurance.

Speaker 11 (01:20:46):
I noticed a lot like, well, some people.

Speaker 12 (01:20:49):
May may may be locked into the Medicare and Medicaid
and that greatly impacts, you know, the kind of providers
they can get, Like what are some tips you know
in terms of like you know, navigating that because it's
about you know, but go ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:21:08):
Yeah, well I would say, you know, take time pretty
much at least once a month to look for the
right providers who are in your area. If you've been
on a job, particularly a government job, I know they
have open enrollment, or if you start your job, there's
open enrollment. Also, be aware of any changes with family
and planning and if there are things is sometimes that

(01:21:32):
triggers an open enrollment opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
But also get.

Speaker 10 (01:21:36):
To know who those providers are. And it's I think
as well within your rights to continue to ask for
are are there any African American doctors? But the other
follow up question is, no matter what the background or
ethnicity of that doctor, how well do they do with
patients of African descent? What is their experience? How do

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they keep records and numbers of their efforts to improve
the lives of their patients. Sometimes people will work in
a certain area and claim that they have the best
interests of those folks in mind, but do not have
the track record that they're providing high quality services for them.
And I would say the other thing is, like I said,

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check in with the Association of Black Psychologists. There's also
an association for Black Social Workers. There's a group of
black psychiatrists who be together, and it may be good
to contact them and see if there are any of
their members in your area, and they'll be held to
a different and particularly higher standard for their care of

(01:22:40):
support of black folks. When it comes to navigating these systems,
I will say it's not easy right now, given what's
happening at the federal government level that's impacting the types
of services that people are receiving, and depends on what
states you're in. If the state doesn't prioritize healthcare as

(01:23:01):
a priority.

Speaker 6 (01:23:02):
That may be difficult, but usually and I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:23:05):
How we continue to do it, but yet we do.
We continue to find a way to develop an underground
and look at what's the optimal standard of living. And
this is the flip side of the medical profession. The
medical profession quite often looks at what's wrong with you,
but they don't necessarily have a conversation about you living

(01:23:26):
your best and optimize life and asking what's right with you?
And I would say, if you have a spiritual practice,
or if you have a group of people in your
community who are seeking to better themselves, how are they
living their best life? It's good to have conversations with
other people, particularly people who have your best interests in mind.
So embed those conversations within the community that's seeking to

(01:23:49):
support you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
All right, Thanks Philip, good luck chann away from the topic.
I got two tweets where you one from Mark Manhatman
and this other tweet It says, please ask the doctors
e I a direct attack on Black America.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 10 (01:24:06):
Huh was that coming directly from March from Anaheim all
the way out here?

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
No, this is not this is not. This is the
other question. I get to Mark's question, my MoMA. This
this was as soon as we're started, they sent me
this question. They wanted to know.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
Yeah, was de e I an attack on black people?

Speaker 10 (01:24:24):
Yeah, a direct attack that that's been an ongoing discussion.
I would even say some of it has, and for
me it goes back to graduate school. But I would
even say the reason why I find it interesting, I
was really studying as an undergraduate and on through my

(01:24:46):
first paper in psychology about the government. I was taking
psychology obedient behavior or abnormal behavior, and.

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
I looked I wanted to.

Speaker 10 (01:24:59):
Look at race this is in the South, because I
was going to school at HBCU in the South, and
I ended up getting stuck just on the FBI.

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
And what they were.

Speaker 10 (01:25:09):
Doing to convince people against their own best interests, and
they were sending disinformation and disruption letters to people who
were in the movement, particularly what happened to the Black
Panther Party and some other affiliated movements, and how the
FBI would send these letters and really harm people, and

(01:25:32):
also how they would torture.

Speaker 6 (01:25:33):
Them, particularly how they did Huey P.

Speaker 10 (01:25:36):
Newton when he was locked up, and of course Angela
Davis and as y'all be talking about later on assadas secure.
But I was very curious to see, like, wow, this
is how far our own government would go. I knew
there might be local sheriffs. And this is my young

(01:25:58):
like twenty year old mine kind of looking at it,
and I was just continually surprised. Then I stopped being
surprised and said, Okay, this is a pattern. This is
a pattern to disrupt our connections. So some of the
corporatization and I'm really getting some of this frame and
mindset from the late doctor HUGHY P. Newton's book, which

(01:26:21):
was his dissertation turned into a book called Revolutionary Suicide,
in that he's giving up his life for the cause
for the people. In that book, he writes about the
need for folks to be aware of corporate entities around
the world, not just state entities or state actors, but

(01:26:44):
corporations really seeking to disrupt people's connections and their efforts
at unity. So if a and even and here's what
makes it worse, it might even be well intended.

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
So but if I.

Speaker 10 (01:27:00):
Look at the root word for diversity.

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
Some of it is to divide. Now I'm a big
fan of Star Trek.

Speaker 10 (01:27:07):
I believe in infinite diversity leads to infinite combinations and
infinite possibilities.

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
However enacted.

Speaker 10 (01:27:19):
If I look at what the results are, and let's
say k through twelve schools or even higher education, the
more DEI that's come in, the more things have somewhat
stayed the same and people have particularly had challenges being
able to overcome. So at times DEI can be a
distraction and it can be used as a tool, but

(01:27:43):
also it's been a great opportunity for folks to have
more discussions and push forward in certain areas. But as
you see, the infrastructure of DEI has been easily crumbled
in several different areas, and that's always been my biggest
concern is to what is the overall purpose, and particularly
if I'm looking for the concerns for black people, how

(01:28:04):
are we able to have structure and support and foundation
that doesn't easily get pushed away. Does it provide us
the power that we need to handle even basic things
like being able to pass down the money that we make,
pass down the knowledge that we have to make things
better for our next generation. If it doesn't, then I'm

(01:28:27):
with brother Malcolm X and several others that we need
to continually rethink what we are doing to support our.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Own And I got to ask you this, because you're
on a college campus. Is this impacted your school any
at all?

Speaker 10 (01:28:45):
You know, we have been very fortunate, and I have
worked at several different institutions within the cal State system
and the overall our cal State system, and you see
our governor out here in California is even supportive of
reparation in one regard or another. Some would say he's
not strong enough in support of follow through in actions,

(01:29:06):
but at least has given lip service to support. And
we do have a Senate bill that was passed that
ensures that we are receiving some level of support for
our black students, and that support has continued in spite
of the proclamations and statements coming from the federal government

(01:29:27):
and our president at the university where I'm at presently,
Calculate University, San Bernardino, and we've seen even some direct
attacks on some of our programs or other things, but
our black student success work has continued on and I
think part of it is because we remain open to
all students, because there are some students who may not

(01:29:50):
have necessarily be from a black background or black ethnicity,
but they appreciate the black experience that's happening on campus,
learning more about black history and connecting. And that's because
of proposition to a none. Back in the nineteen nineties
and particularly in the mid nineties when I was a
graduate student down at San Diego State University, I saw

(01:30:11):
in real time where that proposition led to the end
of things like affirmative action in the state of California,
but also curtailing of some programs and making sure that
other programs no longer existed, at least sometimes at the
federal level because of the political massinations of people like

(01:30:31):
New Gingridge and others. I was involved on an African
centered school psychology project back in the day at San
Diego State, which paid for my tuition and resources. There
aren't those same type of programs for graduate students. However,
there are graduate students who are African American who are

(01:30:53):
going to school and are being supported financially. It's not ideal,
but it is much better than many other states where
I've seen all Right, hold.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
I thought there, we got to check the trafficking weather
and when we come back. Mark Manheim sent me a
question for you, doctor Gamble. I'll let you respond to
that as well. Family, YouTube can join our discussion with
doctor Brandon Gamble. He is a member of the Association
of Black Psychologists. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls after the trafficking weather that's next. Grand

(01:31:25):
Rising Family, thanks you for sticking with us on this
Tuesday morning and thanks for being part of your Morning Richeral.
This morning, we're speaking with doctor Brandon Gamble. Dodtor Gamble
is from the Association of Black Scientologists and momentary. We're
going to have two attorneys going to join us from
the Transformative Justice Coalition. We're going to talk about these
civil rights you should build. It's on deck coming up
to be discussed by the Supreme Court. But doctor Gamble,

(01:31:46):
as I mentioned, martham Anaheim sent me a tweet for you,
and he first he says hello, and he says he
missus surfing. Are you a surfer as well?

Speaker 10 (01:31:53):
Yes, i am. I'm very proud member of both the
Black Surf Association as well as the Black Surfers Collective.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Okay, now, he says and he says here. He says, here,
I guess you're a martial artist as well. He says,
as a martial artist, have you found a way to
deal with all of the drama since Inauguration Day twenty
twenty five?

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
Oh wow?

Speaker 10 (01:32:19):
You know, I've been a martial artist since I was
twelve years old, so everything, even back during the Reagan administration,
I've found quite a bit of great therapy on the
match and being able to have a sense of discipline,
self control, but also every once in a while choking

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somebody as long as you know, you respect somebody's tap
or requests for you to stop choking them, and good
practice and discipline is a very great stress reliever. So
I just went to jiu jitsu and wrestling class last night.
So yeah, I continue to practice martial arts and probably
will I was thinking about my instructor, professor Willard Cephis,

(01:33:04):
who's out here. He was in Delaware area for several years,
but he's out here in California. He just turned eighty eight,
and he was still practicing in his sixties and throwing
me around the room when I started training with him
several years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Oh wow. Three half the top second question is as
someone who interacts with many college age students, what advice
would you give to college age students who may be
listening to us this morning all the stuff that we
just talked about.

Speaker 10 (01:33:30):
Yeah, you know, I'm having shovel conversations because it's midterms
right now on campus with students. But first thing that
I talk to him about is definitely having really clear
goals for your academics, and those goals having concrete plans
to accomplish them. So it's one thing to say I
want a bunch of a's. It's quite another to say

(01:33:51):
I need to extend my study time, or I need
to actually talk to a tutor and utilize their services,
or or this may be the semester that I go
to counseling to address that concentration issue I've had, or
some other issues that may.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
Have come up.

Speaker 13 (01:34:09):
The other thing that I encourage students to do is
to be able to have a way to serve that
you could see even before you.

Speaker 10 (01:34:19):
Graduate, that you're helping other people before you graduate. Because
particularly if you're African American, you're one of the privileged
fuse been able to go to school, you likely know
somebody who was in your class who wasn't able to
make it to school and to be able to study,
and you have that opportunity, go ahead and share that knowledge,
especially with high school and middle school or even elementary

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school young people, to encourage them to continue on.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Yeah, And I would just want to thank you for
getting up earlier for us at on the West Coast
to deal with this issue, because it seems like it's
not going away. It seems like we're under attack. As
you mentioned, we are under attack and the other should
come up. The next issue coming up. We talked about
d I, but now we're talking about voting rights. So
doctor Gamble, I want to thank you for sharing your
thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:35:06):
Oh glad to do it, and I hope people will
as Commis ray they continue to organize, organize, organize, join
an organization that is dedicated to the liberation of black people.
Thank you for the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Opportunity, uh shay, Thank you, doctor Gamble, and thank you
for sharing your thoughts again with us. And I know
we're calling on you again because this is not over yet.
This is this is not a one off. You know,
this this the I guess the content of the square
off with this administration and black people. It's not going
to end tomorrow, so we'll be calling you later on beginning. Yes,

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that's right, this is it's been it's not even been
a year yet, and look at what we've brimmed through.
It seems like a long time, doesn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:35:51):
That that it does, and that's an amazing thing about time
and space. Therefore, we need to stay connected to our ancestors.
We need to continue to deepen whatever spiritual practice that
we have that's for liberation and not just to maintain
this status quote. We have been through some significantly horrible
times and we'll make it through this.

Speaker 14 (01:36:12):
One as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
All right, thank you for thank you for those the
words as well. Family. That's our brother, doctor Brandon Gambell.
He's part of the Association of Blank Psychologists. Right now,
we have two members of the Transformative Justice Coalition with us.
We have Attorney Daryl Jones an attorney Barbara Online a
welcome back to the programs.

Speaker 6 (01:36:36):
Going to be here, absolutely great to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
All right, you're part of the Transformative Justice Coalition and
there's going to be a hearing with the Supreme Court
came up on Wednesday. We'll start with Barbara First, ladies, First, Barbara,
What's what's the stake here in this meeting?

Speaker 15 (01:36:53):
Everything everything having to do with voting rights this case.
Daryl will talk more about the specifics of the case,
but I want people to understand that there is a
serious move in the Supreme Court to declare the anti
discrimination provisions of the Voting Rights Act as unconstitutional. That

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they are trying to thrip and defeat lack political power,
Brown political power, Native American political power, Asian American political power,
and their long term objective is to destroy women's political power.
I just think people need to understand that this case

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that will be heard tomorrow to mote in your lifetime
under your watch, is one of the most critical cases
that this Court will have heard since Brown versus Board
of Education. It is we are saying to.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
Everyone out there, we know you're not lawyers.

Speaker 15 (01:38:03):
Don't worry about that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
We know that you're not you know, trained about you know,
the voting rights laws.

Speaker 15 (01:38:11):
We understand that what we're saying is do what King do,
What Amelia Boys and Robinson do, what John Lewns, because
none of them were lawyers, do what they did. They
stood up and forced the creation of the Voting rights
and fought for it with everything they had for their
entire lives. I want people to understand that we're saying

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that you can stand up in this moment.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
We want you to do the following.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
We want you to show up tomorrow at.

Speaker 15 (01:38:44):
The Supreme Court at nine o'clock am in the morning.
That's first and Maryland Avenue Northwest. Show up and be
there with us and help us say to this court
our voting rights matters. We know they're critical and we're
watching you. And pray for the lawyers from the nacp's

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Legal Defense Fund today Nelson, who will be arguing that
case and for that case for the second time, the
identical case for the second time. Because the LDF did
so well in that first argument, the one only wanted.
The Court decided not to decide the case, but instead

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to have a second argument, which is rare, and to
make sure that as part of that second argument that
they expanded the questions to make it encompass the entirety
of Section two of the Voting Rights Act, that not
just the question about whether or not majority minority discs

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are legal. So it's so important stand up, be there
if you can at the court, if you can't make
it to the Supreme Court, go to Bad Roots. If
you're in Louisiana and joining at eight a m. Central time,
join the demonstration there to say to the state legislature
in Louisiana, stop drawing racist maps. And we want to

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say if you can't do either of those things, watch
the argument at Supreme at you at the Supreme Courts
dot Gov's website. And we also want people to make
sure you're educated and that you're educating others about this.
So there's a lot to boot. There's a lot of
resources out there to help you, and we hope that

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you will.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
Join us at TJ Coalition dot org.

Speaker 15 (01:40:43):
It's a great website, so it's in the waycp LDF
dot org.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
All right, let's go to Daryl at ten after the
top down, Daryl, break it down. What's your stake for
us here? She gave us overall, but you can get
into the details what's going on here.

Speaker 7 (01:40:58):
Thank you, Carl. What folks need to understand about this
Crey case is this, What happens is that in twenty twenty,
there's a census that's done, the US census that's regularly
done every ten years, and that twenty twenty census indicated
that Louisiana that there have been more African Americans, more.

Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
Black folks that moved down in Louisiana, to.

Speaker 7 (01:41:20):
The degree that Louisiana now is like the third most
populous state of African Americans five percentage, following Mississippi and Georgia. Well,
because there's so many black folks that are now in Louisiana,
it actually merited a second majority minority district. They currently
have one, but now they're deserving of two because of

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the population that's there. And so when it came time
to draw the maps of redistricting maps as a result
of the twenty twenty census, the Louisiana State legislature.

Speaker 6 (01:41:53):
Decided that now we ain't giving you all a second
congressional district, a majority minority district.

Speaker 7 (01:41:59):
We're not going to do it. You're going to have
the one that you have. Be happy that you got them.
And so they refused to do it. Well, Press Robinson
and a group of other African Americans that are down
in Louisiana, and Press Robinson is a you know, a
long time voting rights civil rights activists in Louisiana, filed
suit against Louisiana because of the maps that were drawn

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that they discriminated and we're in violation a section two
of the Voting Rights Act that that required that there
be proportional representation for it for the vote. If this
one didn't do it, Press Robinson won at the US
District Court. The US District Court judge said, yes, you know,
we believe that Press Robinson and the and the other
glad supposed to going to prevail on this, but it's

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a it's a violation of the Voting Rights Act. So
Louisiana State Legislature go back and redraw a second majority
minority district. Well, the Louisiana State Legislature.

Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
So we're not going to do it. We don't want
to do it. Then to judge then.

Speaker 7 (01:43:00):
Threaten if you don't do it, I'm going to draw
the map. We're going to draw the map four y'alls
to create this second majority minority district.

Speaker 5 (01:43:09):
It was with the threat of that that.

Speaker 7 (01:43:11):
The Louisiana State Assembly then went back and redrew the
map to add a second majority minority district. Folks would say, hooray,
happy the case should be over.

Speaker 6 (01:43:23):
Not so fast.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
There were some white folks in Louisiana that said, wait
a minute, Wait a minute, you're discriminating against us now
with this new map that you're drawing. Because we have
rights under the fourteenth and fifteenth Amenute and those equal
protection claus stuff, we're not being equally protected as a
result of this. And so they filed suit, and as
they were going, as they were filing suit, they prevailed

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in Louisiana. Now the case is now up to the
US Supreme Court, where the Supreme Court has to decide
what to do. They have to decide if the voting
rights at Section two of the Voting Rights Act is
unconstitutional or not.

Speaker 6 (01:44:02):
That's where we are right now.

Speaker 7 (01:44:04):
Interestingly, Carl, this case was before the US Supreme Court
in March of this year, twenty twenty five, arguing the
issue of the constitutionality of the Voting Rights Act, and
as Barbara laid out, you know, at Terny Jenay Nelson.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
From the Legal Defense but did a superb.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Job of arguing the case. Perhaps too superb, because.

Speaker 7 (01:44:27):
The justices now have said, and what is really a
very rarely heard US thing. They're setting this for a reargument,
and this is the re argument that's occurring on Wednesday,
And what they did was that they said, well, we're
not going to just argue about Section two of the
Voting Rights Act. We want to broaden this out and
we want to we're adding to areas. So the question

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we want to ask now is we want to hear
from folks now on the attorneys Now. From is did
race predominate in the drawing of the redistion? Wis whether
the creation of the second district violated the US Constitution,
meaning did the I did the voting right back violate
the US Constitution? At third, is Section two of the

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Voting Rights Act outdated?

Speaker 6 (01:45:16):
Because of the advancement that we've made.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
In America as with regards to race relations.

Speaker 7 (01:45:21):
We no longer need section two. So we want you
to have those three things brief and argued. And I
need not tell you that the Supreme Court that we
have in place right now in the United States is
seen as being and as analyzed as being the most
conservative the super majority justice since the nineteen thirties. So

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that's the reason that we're all gathering at the Supreme
Court to say, hands off.

Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
The Voting Rights Act Section two.

Speaker 7 (01:45:51):
That's the reason that folks are gathering and that Ruse, Louisiana,
which is the site of the original sin in this case,
saying hands all Section two, hands off.

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
Our voting rights. That's the background on this, Carl, and
that's how we got to where we are today.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
All right, Hold, I've I thought right there, We've got
to step aside for a few moments. We come back,
let's get into it because this is very, very important family,
and this is why these lawyers are on the radio
with us this morning. It's sixteen minutes after the top
of the hour. As I mention, we've got to step aside.
We'll take your phone calls. You got questions about the
Voting Rights Act, reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and
we'll take your phone calls. Next family, thanks for ruling

(01:46:30):
with us on this Tuesday morning. And twenty minutes after
the top of the hour, we have two lawyers with
us this morning from the Transformative Justice Coalition, Daryl Jones
and Barbara Online, and they're discussing the Supreme Court hearing
on voting rights. Well, let me ask you first, Barbara,
is this the ruling when it comes down, will it
affect us Louisiana. Will you affect the rest of the country.

Speaker 15 (01:46:52):
It will affect every single We will affect the entire nation.
Because there are currently sixty two members of the Congressional
Black Caucus. There are sixty six African Americans and totalism

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in the foundres, but not all belong to the Congressional
Black Caucus. And of that sixty two, it is estimated
that anywhere from twenty to twenty three of those members
could be impacted by this decision. If they say it
is illegal, unconstitutional, they have majority the Latistics, although you

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got the majority whiteers everywhere. But if they say it's
unconstitutional to draw districts to make sure that African Americans,
latinos Asians, and Native Americans can elect candidates or their choices,
they say that's unconstitutional, but that is quote reverse discrimination.

(01:48:00):
Then you know immediately all these state legislations are gonna
go into special session to try to redraw those distances
that are represented by people of color people. Let's not
let's not get confused here. They're gonna go after any
quote majority minority district and that will curtail power of

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the SEA, It will eliminate the power with CBC. It
will kill and hurt the power, the Progressive Caucus, it
will hurt the Tricaucus. It's gonna hurt everything. Where anybody
stands up, like you've seen so many stand up and
say no, you can't take away our medicare No, there

(01:48:47):
should be greater gun control. Yes, there should be greater
access to education. All of that will be gone. This
is sweeping people.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
This is so important.

Speaker 15 (01:48:58):
This is the most important case of the twenty first
century so far, and we need to make sure that
we are aware of its implications, that we understand why
it is so important in this era for us to
take a stance, for us to fight forward for a

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real democracy. We don't have a real democracy right now.
We got it, but we can't go backwards. And that's
what this would be if we would take us backwards.
And I really really urge everyone to make this a
study for yourself, to make this a cause for yourself

(01:49:44):
to become voting RICE champions once again. You can go
to TJ Coalition dot org to read more about this case.
You can go to nuble ACP L d L dot
org to read more about this case. But more importantly,
we want you on the front lines. Nothing is more

(01:50:07):
important than your presence. Nothing is more important than where
you choose to be in this moment, and tomorrow at
nine o'clock, you should choose if you can to be
at the Supreme Court, If you can't be at the
Supreme Court, be in Louisiana at the state legislature where
there will be a sister demonstration, or do whatever you

(01:50:29):
can to make sure that you're listening to the argument,
or that you're informing your neighbors about it, that you're
keeping your eyes on this price. This is critical. There
is no alternative. You must be engaged, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Twenty four after the Toy attorney Barbara Online attorney Derald Jones.
Let me my question for you, though, is what we
know who's arguing on our side if they end up
a CP legal defense front, who's arguing for for for
Louisiana side. Is there any African Americans and the people
that we.

Speaker 7 (01:51:07):
Know, No, there are no African Americans that that that
that I am aware of, that that's arguing on that side.
One of the things, Carl, that really becomes interesting though,
when you start looking at the Louisiana side, is this
when Louisiana started this case out they were arguing that

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before the court, before the US District Court, they had
argued that race, uh, you know, uh did not play
a factor and making these are uh and making these determinations.
But this, you know, was was done in a compliance
with the voting rights.

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
Back, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 7 (01:51:45):
But but that you know, race wasn't the the you know,
the overwhelming issue of what they were doing to put
it all together, when it now is before the Supreme
Court and the issue now has shifted, uh, And and
instead of being on the side of the creation of
the second majority minority district, they have now shifted over

(01:52:08):
to the other side to say that, yeah, race was
the overwhelming issue. Well, it's interesting that they're now making
the argument that race is the overwhelming issue because, you know,
as I indicate a little earlier, the Supreme Court justices
have now broadened out the question to say, you know.

Speaker 16 (01:52:27):
Was race the predominant issue and redrawing the redistricting lines
trying to favor in the striking down of the creation
of the second majority minority district.

Speaker 7 (01:52:40):
So, you know, Louisiana, you know, when we call it
the site of the original Senate, it really is.

Speaker 5 (01:52:46):
The scene of original center. They're shifting all over the.

Speaker 6 (01:52:49):
Place, all in an effort to do what Barbara just said,
which is to disempower the African American and community of color.

Speaker 7 (01:52:58):
That's the impact that this case will have. It will
super charge jerrymandering across the country if they strike down
Section two of the Voting Rights Act in this case.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Book all right, twenty six At the top of Bobby's
joined us from Buffalo, is a question for you guys
shown line three at Grand Rise and Bobby on with
Daryl Jones and Barbara online cran Rise.

Speaker 14 (01:53:22):
And I'm glad that people who are on the case.
My question is this seems to be the issue of
representation and that we should fight to erase all barriers
to participation in this voting process. And to me, the
only way to do that is to have automatic voter registration.

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As soon as you turn eighteen, they track you. They
know when you're born, they know when you turn eighteen.
They tracked us during the draft issue, And as soon
as you turn eighteen, they sent you a notice that
you should automatically be able to participate in this so
called participatory democracy. As soon as trying eighteen and should
eliminate all barriers, whether you should have to go and

(01:54:05):
register or prove this or prove that we should voter
registration as soon as you're eighteen, which was of our
greater participation in this so called participatory democracy. That was
one that was just.

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
Thought, s.

Speaker 15 (01:54:18):
Oh, you are singing our song. We believe one thousand percent.
And automatic voter registration what's called av R. We are
proud of the states that have adopted AVR and our
automatic voter registration, and we argue for it. We also

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believe very strong with and what's called saying day, our
election day registration, which many states have doing early voting.
We believe that that should be a regular ballot, not
a provisional ballot. And we believe in both of those things,

(01:55:02):
both AVR, automatic voter registration and same day voter registration.
We're so happy that you called in with that question,
because most people don't realize how many people don't register
to vote because they can't figure out how to do it,
and they don't know where to go, they don't have

(01:55:23):
the time, they don't have the means. In fact, a
friend of mine working with the Pennsylvania Project in Pennsylvania
told me told all of us and are on a
call last week that she registered for women who are
over ninety years old to vote for the first.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
Time in their lives.

Speaker 15 (01:55:49):
And when people asked them why had they not registered before,
they said, nobody ever asked them automatic voter registration. It's
so critical because where it exists, you have the highest
voting participation rate. Have you remove all of these barriers?

(01:56:12):
You're so right, Just really thank you for that question.

Speaker 7 (01:56:16):
And I may add on if I may, Carl, but
not only do we believe by it and the automatic
voter registration, but you know, I also believe that you
shouldn't lose that right to vote. You know, I don't
think that once you're automatically registered to vote, you should
never lose that right to vote. You shouldn't be wiped
off the books because you didn't vote and one or

(01:56:39):
two election cycles. You should always retain that right to
be able to walk up to an election place where
you're residing and be able to vote. That also includes
and I'll go as far to say that also includes
people that are incarcerated, but they should also have the
right to vote. You don't lose your citizenship because because
you know something that's happened. You'll find yourself is incarcerated,

(01:57:01):
you should still have the right to vote. And let
me just back up and lay out that across this
country there are only three areas, three states, two states
in the District of Columbia where you never lose your
right to vote even if you are incarcerated. So you know,
it's not something.

Speaker 6 (01:57:20):
New that I'm saying when I say, if you're incarcerated,
you shouldn't lose the right to vote. But I don't
think that should be I think that that should be
the law across the United States, the uniformity with regards
to what's you're automatically registered to vote, that then you
never lose that right to vote.

Speaker 15 (01:57:37):
And just one other point to your caller. Another argument
for automatic voter registration is that it takes away the
evil that we've seen in Florida, Georgia and a lot
of states where even when you register to vote, they
fail the process your voter registration in time for you

(01:58:01):
to vote. So a lot of people wait until September
and October to register, and a lot of those studies
refuse to process those voter registrations because they say, quote
they're overwhelmed. It's too late. They got too many, they
don't have enough staff, they don't have enough money. They
make all these excuses, and the courts have been allowing

(01:58:23):
them to get away with that. So automatic voter registration
would kill all of those pro problems. So we really,
really really appreciate your question.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
All right, twenty eight away from the top they our family,
just checking in. We have two members of the Transformative
Justice Coalition reacting to the hearing that's going to make
place being in the Supreme Court that would restrict our
voting privileges, if you will, and the question for me
both of you. I want to hear from both of
you on this one though, because the defense is going
to be fighting for us, because our voting rights are

(01:58:54):
going to be curtailed if they prevail. It's going to
be the NAAC Legal Defense Fund. Have a Democratic party,
because that's where most black folks reside. Are they supporting
this because it looks like if they do win, if
they do prevail'r on our way to one party country.
So first, Barbara, your thoughts, Ah, Well, you.

Speaker 6 (01:59:13):
Know we're non partisan.

Speaker 15 (01:59:15):
PJC is a non partisan organization, and but I will
point out that this case, i'll be Solicitor General of
the United States has refound a new brief in this
case in which they are supporting the State of Louisiana's

(01:59:35):
changed position and supporting these quote reverse discrimination folks, and
they are arguing against against the Voting Rights Act. So
we know that the Trump administration is on the wrong side,
no big surprise there, but it is wrong because they
keep forgetting that they've got to represent all the people.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
We know that Lumerius numerous at.

Speaker 15 (02:00:01):
Least twenty plus states attorney generals have fouled a meekas
briefs supporting Louisiana in this case, and those a lot
of those are states that have significant black populations, so
they're using their black tax dollars to argue against their

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own citizens. You know, people, this is just horrific what
we're watching happening. And that's why we're saying, when you
see injustice, what did John Lewis he say that if
you see injustice, say something, do something. What he didn't
say was sit back and ground, are sit back in sleep,

(02:00:48):
are thick back and be you know, mad about it
and do nothing. He said, say something, do something. It's
time for us to do something tomorrow. Meet up at
the Supreme Court of the United States at First and
Maryland Avenues for our rally and be vocal and make

(02:01:11):
sure you're educating everybody. You can write about this. Go
to TJ Coalition dot org ge get more information, go
to legal go to NAACP LDF dot org and get
more information. Get involved, become educated, become an advocate. We

(02:01:31):
need you. Please see us tomorrow in the front of
the Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
All right, doll your thoughts as well.

Speaker 6 (02:01:40):
Yes, thank you, Paul.

Speaker 7 (02:01:41):
You know, one of the things that I wouldn't be
certain that people realize is that this Roberts Court, and
John Roberts is the Chief Justice. This Roberts Court is
the most conservative court that the United States has experienced
since the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 6 (02:01:58):
So when we're talking.

Speaker 7 (02:02:00):
About standing up and to be accounted.

Speaker 6 (02:02:03):
For, to stand up free to rights, this is the court.
We've got to remember that in.

Speaker 7 (02:02:07):
Twenty thirteen issues Shelby versus Holder, which in essence shut
down preclearance for legislation that was put in that was
proposed to be put in place that would make it
more difficult for black and brown and young voters to
be able to vote. This is the same.

Speaker 6 (02:02:26):
Court that issued what we call.

Speaker 7 (02:02:29):
The Ruto decision Rucho versus Common Cause, which allowed for
partisan jerry mandering. Said, you know, if you say it's
because you're doing it because you're trying to strengthen your
party and not for racial reasons, that then you can
do it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
And Darryl hold that thought right there. We've got to
step as off a few minutes. I'll let you finish
your thought on that. And I having said that, what
are the prospects of you saying with this Robints Courts
is ruling family? You just taking in. It's twenty four
minutes away from the top day out. We have Daryl
Jones and Barbara Onwe both attorneys from the Transformative Justice Coalition.
They say the Supreme Force is going to rule on
the most significant issue in our community since board of education.

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So what are your thoughts? This is very very important
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six. Cause you speak to both of our guests
and we'll take your phone call next and Grant Rising family,
thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning. I
guess the members from the Transformative Justice coalition attorney Daryl Jones,
an attorney Barbara Online. They say there's a court hearing
on Wednesday morning of this most significant case since Brown

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versus Border of Education for us as a Black community,
that's gonna take That's what's a stake here tomorrow. So
this is why they are here this morning explaining what
to do and how we should we respond, and that
they need some help out there because they're going to
be out there in front of the Supreme Court before
we go back there and the elements remind you tomorrow. Also,
it's going to be a tribute to Asadashi Corps that's
going to take place in Washington, DC. Doctor Mark Lamont

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Hill's coming into town from Philly and it's going to
be a bus Boys and Poets. That's the one on
fourteenth and V Street and it starts at third. Also,
later this morning, we're gonna hear from Chairman Fred Hampton
chairm and Fred is going to respond to the federal
guverman federalizing troops on his city streets of Chicago. And
coming up later this week, you're gonna hear We're gonna,

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you know, respond to the thirtieth versity of the Millium
man Marchie. Two of the architects, one Reverend Willie Wilson
from Union Temple's Church in Washington, DC. Also doctor Milana
krengerin a person who created Quanta were they were where.
These were two of the first persons that Minister Farrecarunt
called when he came up with the idea. In fact,
Dodtr Krenger wrote the manifesto for the Meliu Man marsh

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They're going to be here as well. Also from the
University of Houston, doctor Jeryl horneld Joinis. So if you
are in Baltimore, make sure you keep you radio locked
in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're the DMV,
we're on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen
fifteen w L. All right, Attorney Darryl Jones, why did
you finish your thought? And then Craig and DC has
a question for both of you guys.

Speaker 6 (02:04:53):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (02:04:55):
Yeah, we were talking about this Roberts that's in place
and the decisions that they've made. You know, this is
the same court they just have an out and out
war on voting rights for black and brown people. It's
the same court that came up with the Shelby versus
Folded decision that made it very difficult now for make
it more difficult for African Americans and young voters and

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voters of color to be able to vote. It's the
same court that came up with this Ruto decision which
allowed for partisan jerry mandarin. You can saying that you
can draw up districts that discriminates the long as for
partisan reasons, not for racial reasons.

Speaker 6 (02:05:33):
And then it would further to say.

Speaker 7 (02:05:34):
That it did allowed the federal courts to even review
redistricting cases that were based on partisanship.

Speaker 5 (02:05:41):
It's the same court that you know came up with.

Speaker 7 (02:05:44):
The Brenovitch decision saying that you can make it more
difficult for people to be able to vote as long
as you give mother ways to be able to do it.
This is the court, the most conservative court of the
United States Supreme Court since the nineteen thirties. This is
the court that's going to be to this Kalay decision
regarding voting rights.

Speaker 5 (02:06:03):
And hear us clearly.

Speaker 6 (02:06:06):
If this court decides that Section two of the Voting
Rights Act is unconstitutional, you will stay unleashed.

Speaker 7 (02:06:16):
A super supercharge of jerry mandering.

Speaker 6 (02:06:19):
Across the country.

Speaker 7 (02:06:20):
What you saw in Texas will pale in comparison to
what you're about to witness. This is an Pettis Bridge
moment for us. If you wondered what you would have done,
you wondered if you would have stood with John Lewis
when you cross the Edmund Pettis Bridge, any of the
three times that Doctor King when they go this is

(02:06:42):
Pettis Bridge moment on voting right. This is it, this
is it. What you do now is what you would
have done. Then we encourage you to come and stand
with us during this moment to protect voting rights and
the advancements that have been made, and your right to
vote and your right to have your voice heard throughout
Congress after stateministrative.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
Right and family. If you're just thinking why it should
be concerned because you pay taxes, they decide where your
money goes. This is what they do once they're elected,
and what they do they make their communities much better.
They get all the top resources and so their people,
their children get better schools, and they come up and
their cycle continues, and we're still at the bottom of
the pile because we didn't vote. We didn't. You know,

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it's your money, you have a say in how it's spent.
So just let me just leave that right there. Fifteen
away from the top that, as I mentioned, Craig and
DC has a question for both of you guys. He's
online three Grand Rising Craig around with Darrell Jones and
Barbara online, and.

Speaker 17 (02:07:44):
I wanted to ask the question about for the Republican
justices on the Court. I wanted to know if you
think they should accuse themselves in the Leto and Roberts.
They worked in the Reagan administration against the voting Rights
at I think unsuccessfully at that time, and then the
work that Kevin and Cony Bryant did on the Bush

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push to get the chance going out in Florida. Somehow
it's relevant to the voting rights that I just wanted
to hear whether or not you think these individual ship
of keys themselves from this case.

Speaker 15 (02:08:20):
Well, I would answer your question by saying that there
is a clear cabal of three of the justices that
are anti the Voting Rights Act. They're clearly anti UH
and they they exemplified that this summer when they refuse

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UH to UH issue, when they refuse to go along
with issuing us stay in the Turtle Mountain ban case.
They refuse to do it, and fortunately the other six
overruled them. Uh, and we're able to outvote them. But
it just tells you that, you know, Clarence Thomas has

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written repeatedly about how he doesn't believe the voting right
fact is uh uh should exist. So don't get confused.
So it's and and you know, we we believe as
the Transformative Justice Coalition in Court reform. We think all the.

Speaker 4 (02:09:24):
Corruption that's been going on in the court.

Speaker 15 (02:09:26):
Court, we believe, like you said, you know, some of
the issues around people who have taken partisan positions on
the voting right fact recusal normally would be what would
be required. Uh. But this court has a long history
with Cliah, with Ranquists and others of having uh you know,

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people who they knew were hostile to the act. Uh,
you know, making decisions about it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (02:09:55):
I think that, you know, ultimately the answer here is
to have radical Supreme Court reform uh, and that it's
necessary to take away from members of the Court who
are biased and anti uh you know, racial justice that

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power to making these decisions. But let me uh, you know,
just point out that in addition to this case, we're
extremely upset as the UH Transformative Justice Coalition, we hope
people nationwide are about the court's decision and normal versus

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Va scare where they ruled that you can uh basically
have racial profiling and ice the tensions and arrest UH
saying that if you look latito, UH, if you are
speaking Spanish, if you are uh, you know, a low

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wage worker, that that's grounds for suspicion to detain you,
to arrest you. I mean, that's racial profiling straight up.
And UH. And so we know this court has a major,
major problem with racial justice, and all of us need

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to know that. Our answer to that is the vote.
You've got to vote on the Senate. Because the Senate
confirms whoever goes into the court. Many of those people
sitting on that court will not be there five years
from now, There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:38):
UH.

Speaker 15 (02:11:38):
And it's our our obligation to make sure that we
vote to put the right people in the Senate, the
right people making those decisions about who sits on that court.

Speaker 1 (02:11:54):
All right, turn away from the top of that day,
go ahead, down.

Speaker 7 (02:11:59):
Thank you, UH, you know, Craig, that's an excellent question
that you asked with regards tousal. And one of the
things that you know, we've got to remember and that
must be remembered, is that the Supreme Court as it
is comprised right now, over the last couple of years,
has the lowest approval rating that the Supreme Court has
ever had in the history of our country. And that

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goes directly to the credibility of the decisions.

Speaker 6 (02:12:24):
That this court makes. So when you.

Speaker 7 (02:12:26):
Start talking about issues of justices removing themselves because of
bias perceived or otherwise within the decisions, that all goes
to the credibility of the court. It all goes to
you know, the the the the approval rating and what
you know, the the Supreme Court is not like the Presidency,
right the Presidency has at its at its at its

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at disposal, at its at at its fingertips, you know,
the activation of executive orders and policing powers to be
able to enforce uh decisions that are being made. The
Supreme Court doesn't have anything to enforce it. There's no
army to no policing to enforce what the Supreme Court

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decisions are. The thing that it's got to rely on
is the American people to believe and to be willing
to be under the decisions that are made because of
the appearance of impropriety of this court. So when they
don't recuse themselves and they have personal interests.

Speaker 6 (02:13:28):
Or if there are other financial interminglings that are going
on that make cloud the judgment, the cloud the decisions,
the cloud of questionability of the impartiality of the decision,
all that becomes major for.

Speaker 7 (02:13:42):
This US Supreme Court, particularly with the low ratings that
it has. So it's an excellent.

Speaker 6 (02:13:47):
Question, Craig, and it does nothing, I don't believe to
increase the credibility of the court and the Court's impartiality.

Speaker 7 (02:13:55):
In the minds of the American people.

Speaker 6 (02:13:57):
Great questions.

Speaker 15 (02:13:58):
And may I have one other thing, Carl to Craig's question,
which is great. I want to point out that the
lower courts are having a real issue with the Supreme Court,
including very conservative federal judges who are pointed by Bush,

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who are pointed by Trump. They're very upset with this court. Uh,
and they've been speaking out more and more and more
if you've been watching them. So it's not just the
American public that's upset with some of these horrible rulings
by this court. But the lower courts are saying that
the Supreme Court's use of the emergency shadow docket without

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with just you know, issuing decisions upholding uh, you know,
upholding alleged you know, constitutional violations by this Trump administration,
without issuing any rational to explain why they think racial
profiling is okay, are anything else that they've done. The

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federal judges are saying that's Rome and they're concerned about
this court. They think that something's wrong with this court.
So I think that Darryl's point is very very well taken.

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
All right, shamming away from the top of the our family.
I just got a tweet here from one of our
listeners in Louisiana. The twitter goes on and say said,
I just want your guests to know that most of
the major players in the Supreme Court case are from
my home era of Lafayette. You have Kevin Roberts, president
of the Heritage Foundation, who's an architect of Project twenty
twenty five. You've got the Governor Jeff Landry, You've got

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the Attorney General Liz Morrell, and you've got the Secretary
of State Nancy Landry. Off my home era of Lafayette, Louisiana.
These people who pretend to be friendly, so called raging Cajuns,
are the most racist people that walk the planet Earth.
They just wanted to I used to know that.

Speaker 15 (02:16:02):
Well, Daryl has an answer to that. Darryl, tell her
what tell that person what they can do?

Speaker 6 (02:16:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Barbara.

Speaker 7 (02:16:10):
You know what we encourage that person to do is
to join Louisiana when they go over to that rouge
tomorrow at eight am Central time to surround the Legislative.

Speaker 6 (02:16:23):
State House there. And what they're going to do is
the New National Christian Leadership Movement is going to be
there along with the Legal Women Voters, the NAACP, and
several other groups, and they're.

Speaker 7 (02:16:36):
Going to do a day of prayer and they're going
to pray over.

Speaker 6 (02:16:38):
That what we call the site of the sin where
this case is coming from, the clay.

Speaker 7 (02:16:43):
Case coming out of. You know, they need to be
on the ground, folks. The whole thing is this. This
is an inside out strategy. It's what we've been using
in civil rights movement as far back as.

Speaker 3 (02:16:56):
We can go.

Speaker 6 (02:16:56):
And what we mean by that is inside is that
side the courtroom where Janae Nelson and the legal.

Speaker 7 (02:17:03):
Defense final will be arguing, you know, and we have
no question that Jenny's going to do an excellent job
again presenting before the Justice justices inside the courtroom. What
the other part is is the outside of it. We've
got to be outside the courtroom, in the streets, in
the areas, letting people know what's happening, letting the justices

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know that we are aware, we are awake. We are awoke,
I guess awoke.

Speaker 6 (02:17:31):
To what's happening in.

Speaker 7 (02:17:33):
That courtroom, and we're not standing idly by.

Speaker 6 (02:17:36):
We are aware of what's going on. And we've got
to be certain that.

Speaker 7 (02:17:40):
We're there surrounding the site of the sin at the
Louisiana State House as well as being at the US
Supreme Court where the case is being litigated.

Speaker 6 (02:17:50):
But this is that moment, and we.

Speaker 7 (02:17:52):
Need to be out there, very very glad that that
the individual texted end to let us.

Speaker 6 (02:17:59):
Know about all the evil that's going on in Louisiana.
But we know, and I apologize, I know everyone's not
necessarily faith or a Christian, but we're going to praise
this out and we're going to and walk it out
and work it out and vote it out all right.

Speaker 1 (02:18:13):
Hold, I thought right there. Hold, I thought right there, Barbara,
we got to step aside for a few minutes. I'll
let you respond to that. On the other side, it's
four minutes away from the top day. Our family. We've
got to step away so our stations can identify themselves
down the line per the FCC. You want to join
this conversation though, with attorney Daryl Jones and Barbara Onwine.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll take all your phone calls

(02:18:34):
next I see family, Thanks for staying with us. On
this Tuesday morning, we have two members of the Transformative
Justice Coalition. They're sounding the alarm. It's a big hearing
they're going to take place at the Supreme Court on
Wednesday morning. They say it's the most impactful hearing since
Brown versus bor Brown versus Board of Education. So this
is a big here and that's going to take place.
It's going to impact our rights to vote, or kurtail

(02:18:56):
our voting rights, if you will. So we have Darryl
Jones and we have a Barbara online and both lawyers
and I think Barbara wanted to say something before we
left for the break. So, Barbara, why didn't you finish
your thought?

Speaker 15 (02:19:07):
Yes, you know, I'm you know, I was just you know,
talking about what's going on, you know, with the lower courts.
But I was also wanting to point out to everyone.
You mentioned the Assada Secure observance. Everyone, when we talk

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about you joining us at the court, I want to
remind you of her very famous quote. She in fact,
it is a mantra many people recited, but she says,
it is our duty to fight for our freedom. It

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is our duty to win. I want everyone to remember
that that to fight for our freedom doesn't mean to
be passive. It means that you are aggressively out there.
So I just want to urge everyone again to meet
us at the Supreme Court tomorrow morning nine o'clock and

(02:20:17):
to be with us until eleven, uh, you know, around
eleven thirty when the argument will be over. Let's you'll clap,
or lets you'll be out there and class for our
great legal champions who will be arguing this case tomorrow, all.

Speaker 1 (02:20:36):
Right after the top down. What's going to happen tomorrow
We're going to have a decision or they're just going
to hear arguments from both sides and take it on
a submission. How does this work?

Speaker 7 (02:20:46):
Great?

Speaker 6 (02:20:46):
Thank you for that question.

Speaker 7 (02:20:47):
Precisely what's going to happen is that the arguments will
be made tomorrow. The decision will not be made tomorrow.
It is important for that reason that you know tomorrow
we need to be out in front of the Supreme
Court to let everyone know, to let the justices know,
but let the country know that we are aware and
alert as to.

Speaker 5 (02:21:08):
What's going on and the importance of what's going on.

Speaker 6 (02:21:12):
I also want to.

Speaker 7 (02:21:13):
Lift up, as I may Carl, that if you can't
attend in person at either the Louisiana State House or
at the US Supreme Court, you can also watch the
preceding the arguments at the Supreme Court dot org. Supreme
Court dot org. You can watch the arguments. Why is
that important? It's important because the justices, clerks and the

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staff they go back and they report on how widely
watched this is, how widely important, how important is this
to the folks across the country.

Speaker 5 (02:21:45):
So we need.

Speaker 7 (02:21:46):
People to be on. If you can't make it in person,
to watch the arguments on the.

Speaker 6 (02:21:51):
Supreme Court dot org.

Speaker 7 (02:21:53):
The naacp LDF dot org website will also be caring
that they have a A A A live thing that
they do from there where you can you can watch it,
watch the rally AT's occurring. I believe they have had
it on their website as well, but you definitely want
to be in the place one way or the other.

Speaker 15 (02:22:14):
Barbara, Yes, and it's Supreme Court dot gov, Supreme Court
dot g o v. Where you can watch the argument tomorrow.
I just wanted to make sure it was everyone heard
that dot gov. That is so important. You know, no
matter what you do. If you are in a church,

(02:22:36):
get to the pulpit and talk about this. If you're
you know, during your breaks, during lunch at work, talk
about it doing your uh, you know, during the time
that you're with your Divine nine frat sorority, during the
time that you are talking to your friends your only Internet.

(02:22:59):
Please educate yourself about this case and get involved. You know,
I just want to point out Carl. The beginning October
the twenty fifth through November fourth, the Transformative Justice Coalition
and our partners will conduct a non partisan get out

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the vote tour of New Jersey. We will be going
to at least fourteen major you know, cities, townships, universities, etc.
To urge voter participation because ultimately, democracy means nothing if

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you're not involved and engaged in it. So we want
to make sure that voters are turning out for all
of these elections around the country, in Georgia, in Texas,
and Virginia, Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, all where there are voting happening.

(02:24:06):
You should be planning now to make sure that you're
going to vote this year. I'm not about next year
because we need you next year, but we need you
this year. Also, you'll never allow a voting opportunity to
pass you by vote every single time. And we will
be in New Jersey saying, hey, Jersey, let's vote, and

(02:24:29):
we're going to be traveling the entire state to make
sure that we're helping people to get rise to the polls,
helping people to know it's time to vote during early voting,
and making sure that once again we're using this political
power to determine our futures.

Speaker 1 (02:24:47):
It's exactly that tough family. If those are two key
races that you mentioned, two goubatorial races in Jersey and
in Virginia, Asuella those are the ones people are going
to be watching. But I've got a tweet for you
guys from one of our since please ask your guests
to convey how important this measure is because it can
change the landscape of our voting rights. They say. The
tweet goes on to say they need to ring the

(02:25:09):
bell and call all of their friends and take the
situation very very seriously.

Speaker 15 (02:25:16):
Amen.

Speaker 6 (02:25:17):
Yeah, you know, they said it better than we could
say it.

Speaker 5 (02:25:20):
You know we talk about Amen, four or five alarm fires. Well,
this is an all alarm emergency on voting rights, and
we've got to be certain that we answer the call.
I mean, the bell is ringing, and we need to
show up and be certain that we tell everybody in our.

Speaker 7 (02:25:37):
Households and our neighborhoods and our communities and elsewhere to
show up because this is that time.

Speaker 6 (02:25:43):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:25:43):
You know, folks always say this is the most important.

Speaker 5 (02:25:46):
Case, or this is the most important election, folks.

Speaker 7 (02:25:49):
For voting rights. This is it because if the Kalay
case takes down the voting Section two of the Voting
Rights back, it's going to be you know, Carl, You've
heard me say it, and I'll say and say it
and say it again. It is going to supercharge Jerry
Nndering to get black members of Congress and other blacks
out of the elected positions. They're going to read district

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draw them out. That's what happens. If this Kalay case
goes the wrong way, it's time to show up. I can't,
I can't express it the more. Thank you so much
for for that message.

Speaker 15 (02:26:23):
And you know, if people listen, if you love Jasmine Krockett,
if you love Ayana Pressley, if you love Maxe Waters,
if you like Kakeen Jeffries, if you love you know
all of these Emmanuel Cleaver, if you love you know,

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all of these amazing members of the Congressional Black Caucus,
then you ought to be concerned because that's who they're targeting.
That's who they are trying to get rid of in
this decision. That's those are the districts. And beyond those
districts that they are targeting. They don't wante the voices

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that you count on. All of you who were at
CBC two weeks ago, you know, you were at the
Congressional Black Caucus Annual Legislative Caucus, you know conference, and
this is what's at stake. You think they's gonna be
a major gathering again if this case is able to

(02:27:29):
dismantle existing districts. Folks, we need you on the front
line of this battle right now.

Speaker 1 (02:27:41):
And the question I was going to ask you, because
they're they're the ones who are vulnerable more than anyone
because their slots will be probably be replaced. But if
they founded an amicas brief on this, if they or
anybody you know other than the NAACP Legal Defense.

Speaker 15 (02:27:55):
Fund, no, they were Amica spring fouled. But you got
to remember what they did here was really bad because
not only did they reschedule the argument, but they did
it on what's called an expedited schedule. That means, folks,

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they compressed the normal rules the normal times, which makes
it hard for people to get in Amika's breach. They've
been doing that a lot. They've been shortening the time
of So not only did they give them, they in fact,
they scheduled this argument with so little time. People were

(02:28:39):
shocked that they said that this argument would be on
October fifteenth and they could change the questions only a
lot earlier. That is so unusual. People don't understand how
unusual it is for the court to just, you know,
just really compress everything. So I don't blame entities that

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weren't able to do briefing because it was extremely hard,
but there weren't some great briefs found in this case.

Speaker 1 (02:29:09):
Good to hear that. I got another tweet question to you,
says grand Rise, and how do we get info on
this case from the the NAACP Legal Defense website. What
do we type into the search bar and what is
the case search subject A title and or case numbers?

Speaker 15 (02:29:27):
Well, well, I can tell people if they typed in
PJ Coalition dot orgin. We have a rotational bar at
the very top of our website and you're going to
see it come up, and it's going to say a
voting rights case, and you're going to be able to

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learn more.

Speaker 5 (02:29:51):
You're gonna be able to.

Speaker 15 (02:29:52):
Click there, and not only are you going to find
written resources, you've got to find an incredibly beautiful video
that Toorney Daryl Jones prepared. If you go and you
put into your search bar N double ACP, L d
F dot O r G. When you go to that website,

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the first thing on the website is this Kalay case.
It's prominently displayed and you're you're not gonna miss it.
It's right there at the very top, and you can
click on it, and there's a lot of resources, including
an entire tool tip, and you can find out so much.

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So this is not a situation where you are then
denied that information. There's some very good information out there that.

Speaker 1 (02:30:48):
Support all right, Chairman Fred zoon Deck Before we go
to the chairman, though, Darryl, about what time do we
know the decision? You know, because we don't know how
the Supreme Court works. They're gonna hear hearings today. At
some point they're going to make a decision. Do we
have any idea when that decision is going to be rendered.

Speaker 7 (02:31:05):
We really don't have an idea when the decision is
going to be rendered.

Speaker 6 (02:31:08):
And remember a little argument a little earlier.

Speaker 7 (02:31:11):
We were indicating that there had originally an argument that
was made in March of this year. We were waiting
on the decision when they came back and said, well,
you know what, we're going to supplement this. We're asking
three more questions and we want the breathing and the
re argument to expand. So we don't have an.

Speaker 6 (02:31:31):
Exact time as when as to when that decision will
be made.

Speaker 7 (02:31:37):
You know, we hope were hoples that you know, it
might be by the at the end of this term,
but we don't know. We really don't know when that
decision will be rendered by the court.

Speaker 15 (02:31:48):
All right cause and because of the twenty twenty sixth
election and the per sale rule and other realities, they
really do need to make a decision, and you know,
sooner than later. So I just want to point that out.
They can't drag it all the way to the end
of the term. Uh, if you're going if there's going

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to be a change in the congressional lines, but if
and people need to know that the existing lines are
being affirmed. So the Court can't just sit on this
case forever. It does have other major voting rights cases
of significance also challenging the Voting Rights Act. So it

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may be if they try to issue all these decisions together,
but they haven't even scheduled argument and some of those
other cases got.

Speaker 1 (02:32:42):
You So before I let you go tomorrow, what time
should we gather there, Darryl or Barbara? What time tomorrow
and where exactly in the.

Speaker 7 (02:32:52):
Nine o'clock Eastern time tomorrow in Washington? D c at
the steps of the US Supreme Court. We will be there.
Urge everyone to come on out and.

Speaker 6 (02:33:02):
Join us, and we'll be there, and many.

Speaker 7 (02:33:04):
Of our partners will be there as well, Black Voters
matters and bringing buses up, so they're going to be there.
We need folks to show up at nine o'clock tomorrow
at the US Supreme Court at if you're in Louisiana
eight am at the Louisiana State House. Our friends with
the New National Christian Leadership Movement along with Leave of

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Women Voters as well as the NAACP and many of
the churches down in Louisiana will be there as well.

Speaker 1 (02:33:31):
And Barbara, you do you have a program on wol
I know you're going to talk about it.

Speaker 15 (02:33:35):
What time is your show and when our show is
today at twelve o'clock and it's all about this case.
And for people who want more information, just tune back
in here to wl dcnews dot com. Tune right back
in at twelve o'clock because Eastern time, because we got

(02:33:58):
a good show we have on tap for you to
talk more about this with some with more people, more experts.
It should be excellent.

Speaker 5 (02:34:08):
It's not just for lawyers.

Speaker 15 (02:34:09):
It's for everyone who needs and wants to know.

Speaker 1 (02:34:13):
All right, real quickly, because we're come up on a break.
A person went to the NBA speed website. The link's
not working. So what is your website that can go
to give information?

Speaker 15 (02:34:23):
TJ Coalition dot org that they because I was just
in the NAACP website, tell them to put in n
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up and I just put it in and it came
straight up there.

Speaker 1 (02:34:54):
It is okay, good, all right. We're gonna let you
guys go, but we'll keep an eye on what happens
tomorrow and as it rolls out as well. Thank you
again for ringing the alarm. Attorney Darryl Jones an attorney
Barbara Onwine, thank you, Thank you for sharing this information
with us.

Speaker 6 (02:35:08):
Thank you for having everyone out there to you in
DC peace, everybody, anybody.

Speaker 1 (02:35:14):
Seventeen half the top there are. We got to take
a show break. We come back, chair and Fred Hampton's
going to join us, and you would like to speak
to the chairman. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls next and grand Rising family, thanks for
rolling with us on this Tuesday morning. Right now we're
going to speak with Chairman Fred Hampton, Chairm and Fred
grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 6 (02:35:35):
Grand Rids are right. Black at you, my brother, always
good to be black. Be back with you and be
black with you, all.

Speaker 1 (02:35:40):
Right, Chairm and Fred. As you know, I got to
ask you this. The Trump administration is threatening to federalize
the National Guard again, national Guard members from Texas of
all places, and to patrol the streets of of Chicago.
That's where your office is. Your response to that, well.

Speaker 6 (02:36:00):
Bring up to speak all. I've been brought abreast up
to the latest. The latest is that they have been
actually some and some last regard textas have been deployed
in some of the surrounding suburbs of Cargo's and the courts.
The courts have said, I think there's been the debate
back and forth. They're technical technically replaced in the coming

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to Chicago, but other long other agencies of the state,
you know, said ice and others, they've been uh, heavy,
heavy heavy President of Chicago. But just just in just
in a basic response, you know, the as as the
old saying, go stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready.
You know, I think we should struggle to normalize our

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I'm tying the black community particular on speaking, but just
colleageize people general that even though capitalism is similar to
coronavirus he goes to you know, sometimes it's dorm and
sometimes it gets more tests. But we should just say
when you recognize, you to colonize people that and uh,
it's minus judi pus an occupying army, you know, so
we should you're saying, we should always your saying, recognize

(02:37:03):
that that that and not to see it when it
gets you know, when when the state itself blatantly says
they're going to deploy a certain entity. But we should normally, uh,
you know, recognize that that that that that's been a
consistent war ways, you know what I'm saying on our
people in particular, and again, stay ready, you ain't gonna
get ready.

Speaker 1 (02:37:21):
Should we be concerned that is this our fight? Or
should we just ignore what's going on?

Speaker 6 (02:37:27):
Well, so one of our sayings, here's subjectivity stunts one's
ability to make proper submations. Again, subjectivity stunts one's ability
to make proper submations. In other words, we know no
one but you know, our people in particular. We can
never afford the luxury to have a tunnel vision or
just uh, let's let's look at a situation like that.

(02:37:48):
There's some sort of linear and everything from the weather
to you know what what you know, what's what's fashion
is happening impacts us. But in particular, you know what
I'm saying, it's not telling you talking about different laws whatever,
every his I mean everything you're talking about like you know,
with the gun laws, I said, a typically you can
you can historically connected to certain laws that come down
in response to some dynamic that was happening with African

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people in particular, some responsible So we can never afford
the luxious this. Okay, say well, this is a new law,
this is a new dynamic happening in the world. And
that's something that has in many cases we've been to
the black community or we we we're the prived of
of an acknowledged war with our people. That you know
something the other other you have you have terms like
propaganda bombs, you have terms like occupying hard army. You

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have turns like political prisoners and other communities and other
parts about the world. Uh, lots of it becomes so
normalized in our community. That has been happening. Some people say, well,
you know, with the black we want to be next.
And I said, I beg the difference. You know what
I'm saying, not next, but it's it's been the modus
opering date historical with our people. You know. Uh, there's
discussions about uh, well, vast members of various communities that

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have been just swept up and never heard and they
even heard back from them and brought back. In nineteen
ninety six under the Auso season of long Gangs of
particular the GDS didn't know its gangs disciples later to
become the growth of development. There were mass sweeps in
Chicago that people who to this day have not been
seen yet. So those a lot of you know, a
lot of these that have a political term applied to him. Now,

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this is not that is not a game. There have
been happening. We should always be struggling to be objective
and not be limited by any colonial borders. And you know,
I'm saying, uh, in the raised dynamics, we have to
we have to recognize getting everything it's political not recognized.
We cannot just talk about the partisan electoral politics. But
words turns fast, even if it's not blatantly said. But

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that nothing, nothing goes goes down in this country, particularly
does not impact our people.

Speaker 1 (02:39:46):
Right twenty five at the top, they our family just
checking in. Our guess is Chairman Fred Hampton out of
Chicago and chairman is actually in Washington, DC this morning
as we speak for a rally. Chairman, can you tell
us about the rally that that you're going to be
attending today?

Speaker 6 (02:39:58):
Yes, indeed, uh no, no time in d C at
the mall. Some of my fellow partners that fighting fighting
against crime au uh uh Beyonca Auston, the Auntie Breonna Taylor.
Also Jacob Blake, the father of the father Jacob Jacob

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Blake Jr. Who was shot uh seven times in Milwaukee
and represented from George Floyd's family also said also, uh,
this is Honord George Floyd's birthday. They think he's been
fifty fifty two years old. Had not you know, said
we've been murdering and and we should never forget that
the picture that depiction chauving that shover this nell like

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literally literally I was telling me that a term they get,
they get our knee on our neck, but that that
that that visual. We should never forget what happened to
George Floyd. And so we'll be not just talking about
his birthday, but just putting in context the dynamic of
not police brutality, the post these terrorism. Uh that you
know that black people, particularly in college people and generat
general have vestad too, and not not bigger business or

(02:41:08):
the abstract dynamic because a lot of times we have
a reactionary assessment of history. In other words, Uh, we
we had these moments with you know, saying our high
moments said okay, well we recognize it, but this has
to be continuously continued narrative and not in the doing
in gloom sort of way, but just acknowledging. So uh,
passing down the generation of generation. They said, Nazi Germany,

(02:41:29):
if if you don't tell your children about what that
would happened with the gas chambwich in the Holocaust, they
considered that you. They said that you you're committing child abuse.
So this should be a conversation that we have in
our our poor ifew says, our barbershops, our mosque, our churches,
on a continuous basis, and not just these cases we
were attacked, but also those dynamics of resistance. I you know,

(02:41:49):
harken back. I went to the tenth year acknowledging the
Mike Michael Mike Wild Jr. And I was, you know,
putting in context of time. I said you it was
a time with so much resistance. And you know what
I'm saying, Well, as soon as it got to the
point that many merchants in the community, as soon as
it was a police murder, you would they would automatically
stop boarding their doors, boarding their doors ups up. There

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were out of there was out of like apology apologies
coming out, you know, since we let's let's see what's
calmed down and see what happened. This was this was
a climate of getting not only attached with the climate
of resistance.

Speaker 1 (02:42:24):
And since you're talking about the time at twenty eight
after the time for the hour, I got to ask
you this, do you think had George Floyd happened now,
the response would be different because Donald Trump is threatened
that there wouldn't be no demonstrations like he saw what
happened to George Floyd. I know some people are trying
to get the convicted murder out of out of prisoner
as well. So your thoughts if this, if what happened

(02:42:46):
to George Floyd back, and then if it happened today,
would the response be the same.

Speaker 6 (02:42:51):
You know, it's you know, it's hard to you know, uh,
pitpoint particulars on the plantation. Get it's hard to pitpoint
particulars on the plantation. You know. You know, politics especially
you know, a lot of times, especially in the reactionary climates,
reactionary times you have you know, you have to take
into account time and location. You know that, even when
I talk about such dynamics as the nineteen sixties or

(02:43:13):
the Black Panther Party, I always take always say, well,
you have to take into account location, you know what, Uh,
who was who was in prison? Who was out? So
these it's more specifics. It goes into that, you know,
like in fact, I think that the Willie Lynch letter, Uh,
I think it was assessed that they laid out of this.
This is a full proof method on having one of

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a well oil plantation. Yeah, the same Breakfast said, wait
a minute, however, you can have a plan on such dynamics.
They were kind of referencing dynamics of bills in the
Reverend that turners the Harriet Tube and so on and
so forth. So it's you had a basic tenth plate
and have a general assessment. But that you know what
I'm saying. But again that's why that term seize the
time is so important. There are certain dynamics sort of

(02:43:53):
particulars that can happen, that can trigger and that you know,
like even even even with the George Lloyd Murphy, I
recall recalled that that evening, you know, some headed headed
hit hitting the road that same night. I mean literally
I recall, Uh, we had had our chapter that was there, uh,
and our local representatives publent and so I remember I
remember she has she has said literally when it went

(02:44:15):
down to the champion's going to go up, this is
is going to be hot. This was taken. This was
because we didn't have we didn't have a reaction to responses.
We had our programs with the Triple C programs, the
black Print party clubs that didn't look around there organizing
and that that particular location, that particular location as opposed
to save five blocks away from that, you know what
I'm saying. We took into account the the climate, the

(02:44:36):
political climate that the people that were there. So it's
imperative what you like. And these are certain dynamics that
you say in the US when they go to they
went to Vietnam or Korea, they were taken into account
the different dynamics between South Korea, North Korea, North Vietnam,
and South Vietnam. So there are certain dynamics that it
can it can flip on a day to day basis.
You talk about the hip hop phenomena, you said, well,

(02:44:58):
it's a different dynamic when Kendred Lamar, you know what
I'm saying. When he came in, you know what I'm saying,
and he said, wait, this is let's see the time
we got the ear as opposed to the phenomenon with
the drakes and the likes.

Speaker 15 (02:45:07):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:45:07):
So that's why we have to contently have our ears
to the ground studying the people, because sometimes situations can
be political. Situations can be as reactionary as is the
weather in Chicago. I just left Chicago yesterday, and uh,
you know, I keep my colde closes because they don't
tell how the weather be.

Speaker 5 (02:45:22):
Speaking of way, speaking of the which let me sending
me at.

Speaker 6 (02:45:24):
This in there literally literally when I left. When my
departure out of Chicago, we got word that you know,
saying that there was some uh uh you know, counterfeit
groups and these uh there was some different dynamics being
put in place that you know what I'm saying in
regardless that like you know, players play of the legacy
of the black people of the party, and but the

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people's political maturity was to the point that they said,
wait a minute, that's not that's not the real deal,
and and that that's just that's imperentive that we politicize
the people. So again, because kings, you have to doing
we say, a political pivot, because this is the one
thing that the state does is see they said, when
they can't stop, let's co opt it. That's water down
is change and making something to beat. So we can't

(02:46:05):
get you know, stabilized and say have a blanket assessment
and say well this is what this is what would
happen this day. The representatives of the ruling class, US
President Trumping and the likes they can there they can
maybe more given a better assessment because they are you
know what I'm saying that that that that machine, that
machine can you say has more of a controller serta
of dynamics. We gotta work, we gotta work with We

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have to assess certain times, search and again, seizing the
time and being a move with a political pivot and
again the bank God has to be consistent. So the
political analysis, even when the state is getting people comfortable
and saying, listen, everything is cool. Now there's a there's
a peace tree or what what have you. You know
what I'm saying, we had we had to become We

(02:46:48):
know this. This system utilizes the taxes of an old
farmer during October. You know that they get the turkey fat.
You have fee the turkey real good. You know what
I'm saying, Turkey, the turkey that we were good to go.
As soon as you know, Riverco you got more choking block.
So we are to be consistent with our politics.

Speaker 1 (02:47:05):
Right twenty eight away from the top down, Chairman, We've
got a bunch of folks want to talk to you already.
Eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy sixtys taking
one online. Three Normans calling from Toronto, A Grand Rising Normandy,
you're on with Chairman Fred.

Speaker 18 (02:47:19):
Grand Rising to you, Carl and Chairman Fred and.

Speaker 6 (02:47:24):
Brother my brother on on the buttons.

Speaker 18 (02:47:29):
Uh yeah, Chairman fred I just wanted to say, Louise,
don't forget Anna please. First and secondly, I wanted to
talk about the fact that you know, the like the
primary contradiction is between you know, the colonized people, the
African people and the colonized people and the state. But
you got people now that are are making secondary contradictions,

(02:47:53):
you know, like the differences between the very sets of
African people. You know, like the the FBA crowd are
trying to pit us against the UH other African When
I say Africans people african is born in America against uh.
They're trying to try It's a tribal type of situation.

Speaker 6 (02:48:14):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (02:48:14):
You know, how do we deal with that whole question
of uh black internationalism.

Speaker 6 (02:48:21):
Well, you mentioned something in this day. I think I
didn't get to hear what you saying at first. But
let me let me do this lot apart from the question,
the question in hand, I think we should be very
clear that though certain contradictions are being heightened now, they
may they may not. They there's not necessarily mean that

(02:48:41):
there are new contradictions. Again, drug coordation between capitalism and
the coronavirus there are certain contradictions that may be dormant
and we may not see at certain times. And however,
at certain times when it's when it's intensified, it's heightened,
it it's bigly is it's graptically depicted, this exposed and expressed,

(02:49:02):
and a lot of times a lot of us would
like for that not to come out. But it's it's
a it's a necessary uh ingredient, you know what I'm saying,
in regards to you know, being, it's a necessary ingredient
in regards to being a substance of imperialism and name
of terms. Let me say this, and it's ugly. It's
like it's like certain things come out, you know what
I'm saying that we would we were we would like

(02:49:22):
to say no, we want to we want to have
a rigid line of you know what I'm saying, you
know saying, uh race question, the richer lines of the
class contradictions, you know what I'm saying. And it's not
that simplistic. There are certain contradictions that such as them again,
such as this present this present political climate, that have
to occur that you know what I'm saying, that we
may be just becoming aware of. But if you look

(02:49:43):
at we take a historical analysis, we would say, wait
a minute, this had been know this has been the
case all the time. It's kind of coronavirus. When they
say that they may bring out when it's impact, when
certain impact said that you're impacted by there are other
health conditions that may come out said you know what,
there's issue with your kidneys before saying it may may
heighten other contradictions. So these are contradictions that and may

(02:50:06):
and they have led lied doing it for generations, you know,
talking about these class contradictions, different dynamics or or maybe
embedding people. You're saying this this impeerlessness is so deep
it gets into the DNA. You know, it's not just
a blanket a session of you know of presence spield
Marshals George Jackson the Black Panther Party said that capitalism
not only affects the economy, but it affects the psychic

(02:50:29):
of the people. Again, not only effects become of the psychic.
So that these are that's why we have to again
beyond with the UH or the politics that we are
more going to pivot to recognize that's you know that
we turns certain actions. I believe it was Malcha Mens
coming after DL Castro. No permanent friends, no permanent enemies,
a permanent interest. So we have to be a recognize

(02:50:49):
and deal with different dynamics scientifically. That goes to the dogs,
the race and the class contradiction. You know something, you know,
I talk about the points of even trivel your having
a beyond with the politicians, you know, being fortunate to
come in contact with fellow freedom fighters. You know, I'm
saying from I've you know, touch the ground in Africa. Fact,

(02:51:11):
you know, say, look at the history of different you know,
Rose Days, Strougles, the history of Venezuela. You all said,
as opposed to having a reactionary assessment, you said, knowing
the dynamics of Hugo shops, knowing putting it in concerts
and correlation, the systematic assassination, the very South American leadership,
you know, said as opposed to coming to first contact,
the first contact, right hold?

Speaker 1 (02:51:33):
I thought, right there, Chairman, We've gotta step aside for
a few moments. I'll let you finish your thought. On
the other side, family just joined us. I guess it's Chairman,
Fred Hampton, you'd like to speak to him eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Those
are the magic numbers. I'm gonna take your phone calls
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us
on this Tuesday morning. I guess it's Chairman Fred Hampton
out of Chicago. You know it's an activist. Chairman Fred's

(02:51:54):
in town is for George Floyd's birthday. Today is George
Floyd's birthday and they're gonna have a rally stand at
noon at Union Square in Washington, d C. Chair will
give you more information before he leaves. Also tomorrow there's
going to be a tribute to Asadashi Corp. In Washington, DC.
It starts at six thirty. Doctor Mark Lamont Hills coming
down from Philly to do that. It's going to be

(02:52:15):
a bus boys and poets. And again that's the one
on fourteenth and V Street. And also late this week
we're going to talk about the thirtieth anniversary of the
Million Man March with two of the architects, one being
the Reverend doctor Willie Wilson from Union Temple Baptist Church
and also the other one being doctor Milana Kurenga minister
Farkhan reached out to both of these first when he
conceived the idea of doing the mill of Man March,

(02:52:37):
and in fact, doctor Krenga wrote the Million Man March Manifesto.
So they'll both be here, along with the University of
Houston's doctor jeryel Horne. They are going to be here.
So if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep you
radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB. I we're
in the DMV. We're on FM ninety five point nine
and AM fourteen fifteen WHL. Chairman, We've got a bunch
of folks want to talk to you for you can
shut up on the answers. I appreciated Norman real quick

(02:52:59):
your follow up question for the chairman.

Speaker 18 (02:53:03):
Oh, I was saying that Louise don't forget Ana please.
That was a saying that Gil Scott Hearing said. That
was about Gary Tyler when he was in angle for
prison in Louisiana, and I was just that's I opened up.
I just said, Angola, I was saying, Louise don't forget

(02:53:23):
Ana please. That was a that's a line from Gill.

Speaker 1 (02:53:25):
That's all right, thanks Dorman eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight, seventy six, seventeen away from the top there,
Sister Pam Africa is checking in from Philly. She's online
one grand rising, Sister Pam Africa.

Speaker 10 (02:53:38):
On the move.

Speaker 19 (02:53:41):
Yes, good morning, you know on the move.

Speaker 6 (02:53:43):
Move Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, yes, indeed.

Speaker 19 (02:53:47):
Okay. I was listening and I thought about I had
went a friend of mine and lost a pocketbook, right,
so he had to go to the police station college
and on the walls here Phiadelphian Western Phiadelphian, a sort
of all this thing where they were recruiting, you know,
people and all to young folks to join the police force.

(02:54:11):
And the initiative was you didn't have to be a
high school graduate, which you didn't have to have the
diplomaent you can get it, get in with your GP
did and uh. And they were offering I forget how
many thousand dollars and offer you to join, and how
much money thousands of dollars you would get once you join.
And then you know, well you got all these This

(02:54:33):
is an economic war and they're recruiting. They're recruiting people too,
but they train them just like they do in the army.
That don't see the billions as people and people who
that trunk is determining as terrorists and are, and they're
teaching them that way and are This is how they're

(02:54:54):
seeing us. They're not seeing us for who we are.
I'm talking about a lot of them. And you know
that chairman friends you, yourself, brother called Nelson, is a target.
And because you're going against the evils of what this
government is trying to put down. It's easy to get
into the service, it's easy to get a job as

(02:55:16):
a you know, guard and are anything that oppressed peoples.
And this whole thing people do not believe when they
talking about deporting you know, Mexicans to New Zealand and different.

Speaker 6 (02:55:33):
Places like that.

Speaker 19 (02:55:34):
The horrors of that is you know, you got to
go and look at the tapes and see these prisons
in New Zealand and look that. You know, people be's thinking,
they're not talking about us. They are talking about us.
They're not just talking about revolutionaries. They're talking about the
brother that raises his voice, you know, in opposition to

(02:55:55):
things that's happening on his job, health care and things
like that. You know, you are criminalized and understanding it
is time for people to rise up and understanding. Look
at Germany, this.

Speaker 1 (02:56:07):
Man has you know, I guess, yeah, it's just a pama,
it's a favorite. And put it in their question for him,
because I've got a bunch of folk who want to
talk to the chairman.

Speaker 19 (02:56:14):
Oh look, I'm sorry, I'm getting don't have a question
for him other than you know, it is not a question,
you know, yes, it is people. Why aren't we rising up?
And why aren't we knocking on the doors and letting
people know.

Speaker 18 (02:56:29):
The real deal of what's going on?

Speaker 19 (02:56:31):
I guess that's my question.

Speaker 1 (02:56:33):
All right, thanks chairman, thank you, appreciate your chef.

Speaker 6 (02:56:38):
Well, still love of respect. But it's a conversation of
Pan Africa. Uh, we have to do people get involved
in trouble because quote unquote conscious one of three ways inspiration,
aspiration or desperation.

Speaker 1 (02:56:51):
Got you fortune away from the top day Ivonne in
Chicago online two Grand Rise and Ivannie on with the chairman,
Grand Rise.

Speaker 8 (02:56:58):
And that's the boy.

Speaker 15 (02:57:04):
I am calling to ask.

Speaker 20 (02:57:06):
Chairman Fred his thoughts. Why today is so significant to
celebrate the life of George Floyd on this earth right
and remind people of his murder, and yet there is
a an action in place to represent and honor another

(02:57:28):
person who did nothing but spew hate. You speak to
that Chairman, doctor Fred Hampton Jr.

Speaker 6 (02:57:37):
Revolutionary love respect, getting him a my system of a
fellow club or Blake. This is an organization well just
in general visual symbolisms, I mean, that's extremely important something
that they're not just with our community to put people

(02:57:58):
know that the significance of that when you're talking about
I asked, you told my symbolism and though we are
we have business of police terrorism. You know what I'm saying,
food deserts. I mean, every day's really a certain case
where Bladant I mean in the time the time of
a Bladant graphic depiction, I mean in the premise of
the call I talked about that we should never forget

(02:58:20):
that that that image that I mean that that Bladant
and I come in. I can't recall his sister that
who got the videotape of that and just the audio
with Jordan Floyd what he was saying that, uh, but
calling for his mother. You know what I'm saying, all
these different dynamics. You know that the Derrick shaugn on
his knee, that and there's certain things that we are
put in the back of our mouth. We have to

(02:58:40):
remember that. We have to also remember the resistance the responses,
because in so many cases they said, well, it's not
the closing the opening remarks for the the uh DA
in Los Angeles, before they showed the jury the case
of Rodney King being beat the opening markins the DA
said told the jury, do not believe everything you're about
to see. They literally said that said do not do

(02:59:00):
not believe what you're about do not believe everything you're
about to see. So there's not eric in this system.
Me is so we are a season time with a
blazant example a case of such as George Bloyd something
there's a microcosm that halps us every day all day,
whether it be a neon I neck, whether it be
putting poison our community, whether it be contaminating the waters.

(02:59:22):
You're saying putting us, having us homeless, they're killing us
one way or another. But that blatant graphic depiction exposed
that and say we can never forget, never forget George Floyd,
Breonna Taylor and the callis business of police terrorists, our
people up a business terrorists and one way another throughout
the throughout.

Speaker 1 (02:59:37):
The world got you ten away. From the top of
the hour eight hundred four five year, seventy eight seventy six,
Line three, James is reaching out to us from Lexington, Kentucky.
Grand Rising James Sharon with Chairman Fred Hampton, Grand Rizon's brother.

Speaker 9 (02:59:53):
I just wanted to ask you and be brief. I'm
down here at Lexington, Kentucky, the new Black Panther Party,
and I just wanted to ask you, how can I
incorporate the youth into the revolutionary program on a positive
mind state as far as learning and teaching.

Speaker 6 (03:00:13):
To a question, I can't. I can't speak in regards
to that. I'm a chairman me. Someone just told me
on Instagram after slow down, let me slow down, I
mean especially slow down right now. I am the Chairman
of the Black Panther Party CUBS. I'm the chairman of
the Black Panther Party CUBS, ideological offspring of the Black

(03:00:34):
Panther Party. That's the that's the oldest I represented. So
the Black Panther Party CUBS. We are centralized based in Chicago.
The Lawyer. You can go you can tune into Freedom
All Radio, or you can go to Chairman for Junior
on YouTube. Subscribe. We have a political education every Wednesday,
Free them all radio. That's all this Now that I
chair a Black Panther party clubs as far as uh

(03:00:57):
with the youth. We have to have our int to
the grounds. Seeing what's phenomenal with them studying I'm saying,
and the old asking him the ministry pud say that
power is the ability to define phenomena and make it
act and desired manter see was phenomenal with them studying
that that that dynamics. See how you can you'll say,
put that as we say, put that Pata cub peel

(03:01:18):
in the apple sauce. Check them out. You were saying,
what the movies they talking about? And I know it's
a battle, but again seeing what was studying them and
coming in, what's phenomenal with them and that they're putting
again putting their pill their political pill or Patrick cub
pill in the apple sauce.

Speaker 1 (03:01:31):
All right, okay, I appreciate that, brother, Thank you, thank you,
which you call brother note away from the top of
our brother, say who's in Baltimore. He's on line four,
Grand rising brother, say Coop your question for Chairman of
Fred Hampton, John bo.

Speaker 8 (03:01:46):
My question is about the necessity for an ideology. What
is the ideology of the pending at the Black Panther
Party CUBS organization, What's what's your ideology?

Speaker 6 (03:02:00):
Great, great, great, let me, let me let me jag saying,
reiterate with you in points of that ill theology. Again,
we have to come on more than feelings. We have
to come on more than just you know, do we
do we love each other?

Speaker 1 (03:02:16):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (03:02:17):
Any communalism you know, I relate to that with the
Black Panther Party. I've been impacted when we say this though,
I've been heavily impacted by uh uh African internationalism. I
was before priority, the political prisoner. I was the word
movement that that that's that politic heavily impacted me. But
into communalism with the Black Panther Party, be Cubs in

(03:02:38):
the legacy the Black Panther Party, we say, it's a
tough fact to follow, but we tend to walk now
only in the footsteps, but it's path of pall steps
and in a basic give it, I guess I give
you a brief basic assessment a politic that equipts us
with the ability not just built the race question, but
also the class contradiction and it's ever developed and taken
into account you know, uh, time and location. Uh, not

(03:03:00):
only colonialism but also neo colonialism. So again, so it's
a it's something something that I believe that we have
to be equipped with, especially in this day and age.
We just can't come in a blanket assessment of just
you know, waste nationalism. I mean, I respect respect that,
but that's I think we have to come with something
a little a lot more, you know, define defined in

(03:03:21):
that and just just just uh the black and black
and white again a politics that's a dresses not only
Uncle Sam, but Sambo, not only the Green gover as
well as a.

Speaker 1 (03:03:30):
Negro and chairman Fred. You're you're in town for for
George Floyd's birthday and also in an event taking place
at the Hampton House. Please tell us about both of those.

Speaker 6 (03:03:42):
Yes, indeed were, in fact we were. We're in town DC.
We did tomorrow. Uh that's noon, come on out give myself.
Jacob Blake, ka Austin, that's our father, Jacob Blake. That's
also the anti Breonna Taylor. Uh, we'll give you. Some
of people are tag team with von Or. They Pam
Minister conversations of Pam African levels. They're not here physically,

(03:04:04):
but they they they they are Solida. They hear. That's
at noon today in DC at Themorrow uh in the
birthday of George Floyd. Also this Friday at the Hampton
House in Maywood, Illinois at old for South seventeenth Avenue.
You go to Hampton House dot org you get more
details about that. That's uh, We'll be there at seven

(03:04:24):
pm working in coalation with Pin Flow. That's a phenomenal
group of poets.

Speaker 5 (03:04:29):
You know, we're gonna uh uh like a front porch
poetry session. That's that's the this Friday.

Speaker 6 (03:04:34):
And let me just I forget. I'm negated to mention
something that the Bonn supposed to be Bond had asked
him the question. I think it's it's important that it
being about with other communities, especially ruling clans, when they
honor who they want to honor. So we have to
really struggle because it's like, you know, I'm saying on
our own terms, we you know, saying the different Chaman
friends birthday, Malcolm Mexican's birthday, even if they're not revolutionary,

(03:04:56):
and other forces not to always do for their state
uh approval. Justin so we say these terms our people,
our hood holidays or people's holidays, we really become with
a confidence. You know what I'm saying That us to
and in the colonized community say no, we define this
as a holiday. We recognize individuals and we're not reading
on the state of saction.

Speaker 1 (03:05:16):
Well said, So is there an email address of folks
who want to help you at the Hampton House or
one more information about today's rally? Is there a phone
number that you can you leave with us?

Speaker 6 (03:05:26):
I want the following for the day's rally. It's Instagram
benefity go on Jacob Blake's Instagram. Also Bianka Austin and Jolly.
I guess Jolly forget his Instagram. That's what today's event
and they I'll repost it right now on my page
on Official Chairman Fred Official Chairman Fred Hampton Junior on Instagram.

(03:05:48):
I'll repost the flyers and details for that. And also
they can for the Hampton House then hefton donhamfton house
dot org. They can email they can excuse me, the
Hampton House and Gmail and they go uh to the
web site they happen house dot saydappen house dot org
on the website.

Speaker 1 (03:06:05):
Gotcha charming Fred for let you go, make sure you
go ahead.

Speaker 6 (03:06:10):
I was just a long long live was out of school.
One of my mind d Heriet tubmans long.

Speaker 1 (03:06:14):
It was support Ah shall before we let you go,
give your regards to Mama. A coup. That's a freedom
fighter right there that we need to acknowledge. Thank you, chairman,
Thank all right, family respect, all right, family cases classes
dismissed the stay strong, stay positive. I have a great day.

(03:06:34):
By the way, we'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten w LB, and
also in the d m V on FM ninety five
point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL

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