Chairman Fred Hampton Jr. Addresses Trump’s Chicago Troop Threat and Father’s Legacy

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday, the last
Hump Day for August of twenty twenty five. Later, Chairman
Fred Hampton Junior will respond to Donald Trump's threat to
deploy troops in his hometown of Chicago. The Chairman will
also preview a weekend celebration for his freedom fighter dad.
But before the Chairman, Reparations United's Cam Howard will unveil

(00:34):
a new technique to achieve reparations. But before Camp, New
York Media analyst that Wayne Gilman and Reggie Thomas will
discuss Donald Trump's threat to strip ABC and NBC of
their FCC licenses. But to get a started momentary, we're
gonna speak with Chicago activists. Pastor Anthony Williams check in
and tell us about civility. But let's get Kevin to
opening the classroom doors for again this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, how you feeling, the man,
how you feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm feeling great. I'm still learning, you know. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh well, yeah, that's what growth is all about. You
have gained a couple of inches from this perspective, I
can see. But you're also teaching and teaching also adds
to the growth of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh yeah, because once you knows something and he finally
works for you, you want to share it with everybody,
and that's what our scholars do. So yeah, that's all
a part of the learning process.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, it's a pleasure to be with you on this.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
What is it Wednesday morning, the twenty seventh of August.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
August is almost overfall, it's just around the corner and
it's the weekend holiday about to arrive. You got any
special plans?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh, absolutely nothing. You're one of the things that Kevin,
Once you get older, you'll find out that one of
the things you cherish is not doing absolutely nothing and
not have to do anything. You know how holy you
have to be for that. You'll get there, don't trust me,
you'll get there. You'll say, oh wow, I don't have
to go into work and don't have to watch the car,

(02:05):
don't have to do I could just sit there and
just chill and get your mind to recharge your batteries
and get your mind to rest. That's what I do
on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I'll take your word for I'm not sure all of that.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, you'll get there. Hey, Hey, Kevin, when you get there,
just remember I told you, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I will I'll just look up and say, you know,
thanks Carl.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, because somebody gave me the heads up that you know,
and I said, okay, I thought it was crazy, and
then when I got there on that's why they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh right right, Hey, well look, speaking of things being crazy,
I wanted to get your opinion and maybe even some of.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
The listener's opinions. This might be a good Friday topic.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
The National Guard troops that were deployed by Trump back
and was it May, April or June. Anyway, they were
deployed by Trump given and they've been giving, according to
the Daily Mail, thembarrassing new task near the White House
of picking up the trash and cleaning up the city.
What are your thoughts before I sear mind?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, my thoughts is I think it's demeaning. I think
the city has a sanitation department and entire sanitation department
that's paid for. They should people in Kansas, people in
area Mississippi should not be paying troops to clean up
the Washington d C. Because they already have an entire
sanitation department. It's been doing the job for decades. It

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put their use to something else. We're paying them all
this money for to clean up trash. I think it's atrocious.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, let me share this perspective with you. What's that
country on the continent, is it Rwanda? That's the cleanest
city in the world.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, Rwanda, right, Yeah, the capitol, Yeah, the capitol.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
And what they do is they get the people, the citizens.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
There's a day that everybody picks up and hence is
the cleanest city in the world. Now, from having been
in the military myself, you see the military is a singularity.
In other words, if if your commander says jump, you
don't even ask how high you jump.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Similarly, a task like picking up trash, it may seem
menial to civilians and at the other hand, to the military,
it's an operation, an exercise in obedience. It's an exercise
in you pick up the trash, just like you would

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if you were deployed to I don't know, arrest people
on the street or you were. It's time to get
your defenses ready and make sure your guns are clean
and in the event you need them, if you don't
clean your weapon, you can't use your weapon. And if
you don't prepare your discipline. If you don't discipline the troops,

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the troops won't be disciplined when you need.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
And this is the National Guard.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's not necessarily the Air Force, Navy, Army, or Marines,
so it's a little bit different. So they need they
may just need something to do in pardon how wacky
that sounds, but that's the way I see it from
a former, you know, from a veteran.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know why, because you took an oath and you
believe red, white and blue. You bleed red, white and blue.
But some of us are part of the resistance who
bleed red, green and black. We don't fall for that. See,
once you go in, you tell you what to do,
so anything you do, you fall in line. Is you know,
if this is what you this is what you've been

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indoctrinated to believe, not to question authority, but to follow orders.
You know, those of us who have not been in
doctor like that, we question everything. And so that's why
I question that. But I understand where you come from,
because I understand how you've been put it mildly, Kevin,
you know, been brainwashing everything they say you just do
it without asking and say well, why are we doing this?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, wait a minute, now, when you you the military,
it's a decision you're not you know, they don't have
the positive and negative battery post there. You know you
will do this. It's it's an agreement now, believe it
or not. I mean, they may be joining at seventeen
years old or nineteen years old or something, but you

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still have the pen in your hand, and you do
have the option to put that pen down.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
And so once you make an agreement.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Similarly, if you buy a brand new Rolls Royce and
you agree to pay for it, you pay for it
based on that contract.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
However, let's go.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Let's move on though, because well let me just add this, Kevin.
You know many people who signed up regretted it before
human they finished basic training. But we can move on.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, let's not go down that pen.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, yeah, I joined for a certain reason, and yeah
they kind of renegged on the contract. But that's a
nothing story. See, because here's the thing. Someone says. Amy McGrath,
a former political candidate, says that the president thinks that
he's sending in the cavalry and the Pentagon.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Now gave him.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
A park's crew to clean up the parks right, And meanwhile,
the president has authority to deploy the National Guard and
the Washington's Home Rule Act, which gives the city a mayor,
a city council, but.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Not full statehood.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
And so you know, he wants to make sure the
city is cleaned up. A clean city is less criminal ridden, apparently,
And he says, I got to scroll down now. Addressing
the controversy from the Oval office. You know, he's spoke
on and on and on, and people are saying, we

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don't need him. He's a dictator. He's a dictator. And
Trump says a lot of people are saying, maybe we
like a dictator. But Trump can continued. He says, I
don't like dictators. I'm not a dictator. I'm a man
with a great common sense and a smart person, the
President said, announcing his plans to expand the National Guard.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
And what do you think of that? He says he
is not a dictator.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
He let me turn my mind. Yeah, he may have
said he's not it, but he likes dictators. He's going
to bet with the North Korea's dictators. He says he's
going to do that, and he's just hanging out with
putin those are his partners, you know, the other folks.
That's what he likes. He says what he does, Kevin,
and he always does it. He says he said, well,
I didn't mean it that way. Or and his people

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who supports Oh, that's not what he meant. You know.
Oh he's being facetious. Oh you know, they come up
with all its kind of excuses. But he's telling you,
he's signaling. He's telling you straight up, this is what
I am, this is what I'm doing, and hey, what
do you think about it? And then he smiles when
you and doing it. If you notice he's smiling it
when he's doing it. But that's what he really means.

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As Maya Angelo said, if somebody tells you, it shows
you who they are, shows you first time.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Believe them, right and and so so you see that
he may be gas lighting the nation.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Those who haven't a woke at you know, because they
used that term too and made that a majority.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
But yeah, okay, I'm not a dictator. I just played
one on TV and look in.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Other news.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Democrat Caitlin dre wins Iowa Senate special election, breaking the
Republican super majority. They didn't think it could happened.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
But she did.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
What do you think, Well, you know what, Kevin all
I was on that race because she was going up
against a supermaga.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
He was.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It wasn't just a you know, just a regular maca.
He was a super super Maga had all the support
from the Mega uh A community, if you will, because
now you know the Republican Party is of the Mega party.
It's not no longer the Republican Party. Let's call him
Maga party, Donald Trump and everybody, and here comes the
election and people using this now is maybe a barometer

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of what's gonna happenings because they rejected him. He wasn't
like again, he wasn't just a mild Republican of sitting
on the fence, Republican centius.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
He was what his name is, Christopher Proche.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, he was a full blown Maga dude and he
got his butt kicked. So people saying, maybe this is
a prequestion to the upcoming elections, but but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, See they're all of the people who are saying
the Democratic Party is doomed and it was going to
always be Republicans.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
This is, like I said, this makes a.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Clear indication and Democrat Caitlin Dre pulled off a victory
in a special election for the Iowa Senate, and Dre
won with fifty five part fifty five percent of the
vote to Republican Christener pros is forty four percent, according
to unofficial results from the Woodbury County Auditor's Office. Governor

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Kim Reynolds called the election to fill the vacancy in
the Iowa Senate District one. Their Senator Rocky de Witt.
The late Senator Rockey the Wit died of pancreatic cancer
back in June, so she's going to be feeling his turn,
which ends in January twenty twenty seven, and the seat

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will be on the ballot again November twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Interesting, But I mean, i'm so much how you can
read into that. But yeah, that's I'm sure the Democrats
are applauding that.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, any wind can
be uh, you know, a small thing. Small things lead
to big out outcome. Hey look, finally, cracker Barrel. You
heard about the big the big conspiracy with that, Well,
Crackerberry's cracker Barrel.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Rather.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Stock jumps as the company reverts to the old logo
after the President weighed in on the old logo, and
so they changed the logo back, so the old guys
and then the rock and teer is bag. And they're
still going to change the interior of the Cracker Barrel.
But I don't think that the African American community is gonna.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Run and droves to Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
What do you know? You know, you know what I
think you compare both of those stories because what happened
with the Cracker bar story, with the restaurant, all of
the mag of people got upset and they started boycotting
Cracker Barrel and even in the people down their stocks
are dropped and they were like, oh wow, we're losing money,
and you know, and and so what they did that
that's what forced them to change. But you compare that

(12:35):
with the other story with the electorate in Iowa, and
see what happened. You see there's a different story. Yeah,
you can compare both stories. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
So as far as I want to say it this way,
as far as African Americans are concerned, you want low salt,
low calorie, and.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Low racism, right exactly your breakfast.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
But just think and then in that Iowa. See, there's
not too many of us who lived there too, Kevin,
So you know they're looking at those points. I mean
they are. They're gonna be combing over those results to
really figure out what happened. But that's it's gonna be
an interesting day.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, the greg of barrel stock has gone up, and
there was a quote from Donald Trump. He was saying
that all of the press from this logo change is
pressed that they couldn't pay for it, so now would
be the time to change your bag so that the
stock would go up.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
And apparently it worked.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Sure did.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
So that's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
That's the way it is on this Wednesday the twenty
seven at six fifteen, and we've got Pastor Williams standing by.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Thanks for your time, Carl, all right, thanks Kevin for
giving us the training. What's training in the news this morning?
Pastor Anthony Williams, Grand rising brother, welcome back to the program, going.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
And rising to you, brother Nelson, into your great listening audience. Man,
I was wondering why I woke up at three o'clock
this morning. I said, why am I up so early?
I'm real early?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Well, you know what, you know, what did Gregory told
me because I've been doing this show with this particular
time for decades now, I mean for decade. Let me
just say for decades. Greg always told me, because he
was featured quite a bit on the program. Just the
early morning is the best time of the day. That's
when your brain is thinking before. It's where you go out.
You go out and breathe the fresh air before it

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gets polluted with all the cars and people and others,
all the other foul smelling stuff. So we go. If
you go and shop, and you go there first. If
you're taking a flight, get the first flight out. That's
when the pilots are sharper because it's you know, don't
be the last one out when they're tired. You know,
that's everything happens better if you do it early in
the morning. So shout out to all our early morning

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rises on this Wednesday morning, and thank you for waking
up for us in Chicago. Pastor Anthony Williams.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yes, sir, great, great.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
On You get more done in the mornings too. You
your head's clear and you figure out your day. I mean,
it's it's amazing.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
That that's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, So for the late people, are still sleeping. There
I go again, get up because because they don't have
a namy to do, you know, so they can stay away.
But if you've got to tackle a bunch of stuff,
you like to get up earther. But let me talk
to you though about what's going on in Chicago.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
We had some sisters who's claimed they inviting Donald Trump
to send the troops into Chicago. And it's kind of
started by ruckus in your city. What's going on?

Speaker 8 (15:29):
You know?

Speaker 6 (15:29):
Well, my observation is is that they're in the state
of bedlam here in Chicago, particularly the political leadership. I
don't know why anyone would be surprised that a city
like Chicago is a target for the Trump administration, and.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
So still they shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Pastor Williams, Yeah, it seems like his line drop. But anyway,
we got to take a short break seventeen minutes after
the top of the family. Thanks of waking up with
us on this Wednesday morning, this last hump day of
August twenty twenty five. I guess his Pastor Anthony Williams
out of Chicago is going to get his response to
what's going on with the Donald Trump threatened to place
troops on the street. What are your thoughts? Reach out

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to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, Stein.

Speaker 10 (16:47):
Grand Rising Family, thanks of waking up with us on
this Wednesday morning. I guess is Pastor Anthony Williams from Chicago.
He's an activist pastor in that city. Pastor Williams before
we left for the breakers. My question too is a
fusslor if you will, in the city of Chicago, because
Donald Trump's is threatening to San Trucian. He says he
was invited in by some sisters. We said that the

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crime is off the hook. The mayor says it's not so,
and what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Well, my thoughts are is that it's an.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
Interesting chess game right now, particularly between Priscer and Trump,
two billionairess who who both are obsessed with power in
my personal opinion, and so we just had to see
how it's gonna play out. You know, I think you

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have those in the black community who who claim they
speak for the black community in Chicago there standing against
troops you know, coming here. So it's kind of a
wait and see, but nine times out of ten knowing
the arrogance of Trump and signing an executive order to

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get around the normal military procedure, or he's coming, Oh,
he's coming, He's coming.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
So the thing is is that you know, people need
to be prepared to see.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
What's gonna happen. And that's where I met. But ironically,
Bud Nelson, I have been forever usually calling this one
word out civility.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
This is still this is still uh National Civility Awareness Month,
and the resistance against the word civility is great. When
I talk about sivility, it's like I cuss somebody out
and I started talking about the only way that you
defeat Trump is with civility, because the last.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
Time pastor with him. That's all right there twenty two
out the top there. I want you to explain to
the audience, firssion, what is what is your interpretation of civility?
What do you mean when you say civility?

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Okay, then you want me you talk about it right now?

Speaker 10 (19:00):
Yeah, we'll explaining audience.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
You say, first first of all, first of all, people
need and that no.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Society can move forward without being civil. The role of
government is for us to have a civil society. The
role of government is to protect us, very important, direct us,
and correct us when necessary.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
That's the role of government.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
That things will be civil, that things can run as
smoothly as possible when you're dealing with the paradox of
human beings. So that's the first thing. That Can we
work on being calm? Can we work on being cool?
Can we work beyond being collected? Let's talk about that.
Then when you talk about the process of civility, then
you want to talk about a few things and let me, uh,

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let me just kind of brust this out real quick.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Where you dot. First thing you have to do, you
have to make observation.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
You have to make observation in any discipline. You have
to make observation. What's going on, what's happening? What can
we do? Once you make that observation, then the next
thing is is to work towards collaboration. See, the main
problem in America and the denial that elected officials have

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and a lot of people don't see it because they're
trying to survive, is that violence is the number one
problem in the first century. That's why you need civility.
What don't the word violence mean it means to violate.
Any type of violence is a form of violation. So
let's get that clear. And because you have a system
that was built on violence, then any common sense social

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scientists would say, then there has to be a restructuring.
That's where civility comes in, the importance of making the observation,
the importance of moving towards colaboration. There has to be
institutional change, there has to be policies of civility, have
to be policies of civility. But in order for people

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to understand why we need civility, you got to understand
the problem that we're dealing with, and the problem is violence.
It's a disease. It has been proven scientifically it's a
disease infectious but not contagious. There's no faccine for it.
So what you do you put in policies of civility

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where people will not be violating each other. That's why
we talk about civil liberties. And as you're seeing right
now in this country, as we are moving towards the
authoritarian society, that's why the little civil liberties that we have,
we have to use them because it's very important in.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
The process of civility.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
But there's a resistance too, so you have to resist evil.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
You have to resist evil.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Most Americans don't like what's going on right now across
the board. They don't like it. It's very disruptive to
all of our lives. But in a civil society, you
work forward comes. That's why the observation, the collaboration, and
then you begin the implementation. That's the implementation in terms

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of how you move a negative to a positive. It's
not complex to live a civil life. How you treat
your neighbor, how you treat yourself. That's got to be
ingrained into our institutions. You know, every day we're being
bombarded with some type of propaganda, whether it's positive or negative.

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Everybody got some propaganda. Well, my propaganda is civility, and
it works in historic well perfect example, another example, it
was nonviolence that got.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Us off the back of the bus.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Non violence. Well, the highest form of civility is non violence.
But this generation and they don't want to hear that.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
So I talk about let me start with civility.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
Can you can? You can? We agree to disagree without
killing each other.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
So it's just it's.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
A way of life. It's not complex to be civil.
To be civil, that's what we need more than that.
And I get that, Pastor twenty seven. Half the top
of the family is just waking up this morning. I
guess the Chicago activists Pastor Anthony Williams. He says, civility
is the anecdote to the all the violence. He disagrees
with Donald Trump on the streets of his home sound

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of Chicago. But uh, how do we get.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
This message out? You talk about civility, the people who
are usually causing the mayhem in our in our communities,
how do you reach them? Those are the ones what
you're talking about, the civility, The people who already understand that,
the people in your church, the politicians, the teachers, you know,
the people who are on the positive to they understand
what you're saying. But those are the ones, and I

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suppose the problem. So how do you reach those?

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Hey, you do it through the institutions, You even take
it to the streets.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
You got to take it to all levels. But see what.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Could help us more so than negative thing. One of
the things I propose with this whole issue bio, I said,
do public service announcements call violence a disease. Call it
for what it. You got to call it bas correct name.
Violence is a disease. That's a bad sounding word, and you.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Show it to people.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
Call it for what it is.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
See when we call things, I mean if I.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Saw some trouble, I wouldn't say that's a good thing
that's happened over there. There's some people in trouble over
that need some help. So the definitions of words and
have a tremendous impact in terms of how we think
as a society. All you got to do is call
a bads name. It's a disease. And how you conteract,

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how you conteract Trump is with civility. You use the
method of civility with him. He can't handle that. He
can't handle that reality being civil. He can't handle it
because he's a violator.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
He's a violent person.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
You have a violent person running a violent country. And
so how you have to deal with it, it's by
dealing with this process of civility. But we're so violent.
We reject wanting to be non violent, but are If
you want civilization to go forward, then we must have
a civil society. If not, you have chaos, and the

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chaos continues to grow and grow in this nation because
you have people and key positions of authority across the
board who don't have the guts to say this is
what this is, that violence is going to destroy this nation.

Speaker 10 (25:52):
We are a nation of violators, right and let me
jump in here thirty minutes after it's top their family.
I know some folks are just turning over in the
bed right now though, so hitting the streets going up
to work in school. I guess there's Pastor Anthony Williams.
Shout out to all the teachers too. The school started
in our area. Pastor Williams is this week, So shout

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out to all the teachers going to work, all the
male carriers as well. The people are early on the
streets going to work. But anyway, we're talking about civility.
Pastor Anthony Williams is. I guess he's from Chicago. He's
an activist pastor, and he says civility is the answer
to all the violence that we see in especially in
our communities. We're talking about our communities. This is what
you're saying is sort of like can like theory that

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you're putting forth that we you know, a way of
non violencary. We're supposed to be civil. So let me
ask you this, how civil are we supposed to be
pastor how many cheeks do we have to turn?

Speaker 6 (26:45):
Civility is not about turning cheeks. The reality is about
having the discipline and the common sense and the intelligence
to agree, to disagree, and to even to walk away,
you know, along with somebody doesn't put their hands on me.
We're cool. I didn't say I was nonvited. I said

(27:06):
I was civil. That's the difference. That I'm civil. And
so when we are civil, we can agree to disagree,
I can walk away from it, and I'm not going
to get upset about it either way. It goes because
I got to go on with my life. That's being civil.
But I can stay in my lane. That's being civil.

(27:26):
That I can respect my neighbor, that's being civil. That
I love myself, that's being civil. That I respect all life.
That's being civil. But I see a bigger picture. That's
being civil. So I mean to get us to that mindset,
which is not difficult, and a lot of people are there.
But the great tragedy is is that in this country,
even in this world, we have uncivil people who are

(27:49):
on positions or authority who push hate and divisiveness and
division amongst people because they profit from it. Violence is
the numb i'mber one economic extreme on this planet earth,
not gas or not education, not technology. Violence and that's.

Speaker 10 (28:11):
What we have to Let me jump in here twenty
nine away from the top there. How do you reach
our young people, though pastor our young people? You know,
just a few days ago these comedians electually killed another comedian.
The people who need to hear this talk to civility,
those are the people that that's why I'm trying to
hold in here. Those are the people that you need

(28:31):
to try to reach it. And they're influenced by the
music They're entertainment is different. Many of us don't watch
their music, listen to their music, go to the stuff
that were flashes of ago where the violence will erupt.
How do you reach that group?

Speaker 6 (28:48):
Well, all I try to do, Man, is continue to
speak to the institutions. You know, I'm only one person.
It took me. It took me almost twenty years man
in the state of Illinois to get hearings on bidence
as a public health crisis. Twenty years, Man, twenty years

(29:09):
because of the resistance. And the real reality is that
you know, people have a tendency, particularly people in authority,
of resisting the truth that somebody can come and bring
forth with better solution, and the solution to America's problem
is civility. As a matter of fact, I got an
institution to I encouraged an institution South Suburban College in

(29:32):
South Outland, Illinois. I'm an elected trustee that when I
started talking to the trustees about civility, they looked at
me like I was talking Greek. And so when I
had to show them the empirical evidence that myself and
lawmakers and good citizens got to build. Passed April twenty seven,

(29:52):
twenty twenty one, I introduced Governor JP Priskoy's design, the
Illinois Health Reform Bill, was designed to make Illinois a
healthy state. The experience that I did not have was
to put oversight. That's where they said, this is where
we can get him out the way. So I came
back and said, Okay, can we put a trailer billong.

(30:15):
They looked at that, and then one representat said, well,
let's talk about an office of Civility. I saw the
government last week at the groundbreaking in Illinois and say,
look ahead, how you defeat Trumps with civility.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
But see they don't.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Want to hear it.

Speaker 10 (30:32):
What was his response when he told him that, Pastor.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
He said, you're right. But the thing about it, he
didn't want to do a follow up on this, because
the thing is, what is he his agenda? I mean,
he's clear on where I stand and what I do.
He's clear.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
But the thing about.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
It is that when the institution started buying it, South
Suburban College bought the idea. For the whole month the
school has been going through the practices of civility. Today
they are having the civility panel discussion at South Suburban
College and it won't be any pressed that they don't

(31:12):
want to cover that. So, I mean, let's face it,
brother Nelson, America is a sick nation. Not only did
King talk about it, he talked about the sicknesses of America. Well,
the sickness of America has metastasized. So when I look
at this, and I look and I look at it
through many, through many lenses, is that civility has to

(31:36):
be put in place through our policies. But the first
thing before civility works, you got to say why we're
using civility because you want to solve a problem, and
that problem is violence.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
It's a disease, and they know that.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
The scientific community knows that, the medical community knows that.
They know it is infectious but not contagious. It's never
been talked about like the way I talk about it. It
has never been talked about it like that before. So
there's the resistance to hear what I've been saying, man
over the last twenty years. But the beauty of it
is that they can't argue with the fact, by the

(32:12):
will of God, we got to bill passed. But what
they did, they stamned me because I didn't know the
rest of the process, the rest of the steps. Now
I do, so I come back. So as a US
Senate candidate of the state of Illinois, I talk about civility.
The first thing I say to any ideas I addressed,

(32:33):
I'm running because violence is the number one problem of
the twenty first century. Then I give them a historical
a point. W. B. D. Boy said that color would
be the number one problem of the twentieth century, and
it was violence is the number one problem of the
twenty first century. And how you address it is with

(32:55):
civil methods. But you have to institutionalize it. You have
to get to people an authority to say, if you
want to govern in a way where your citizens are healthy, etcetera,
say do this. But because of the contamination of the system,
you gotta fight through all this. So you got all
this confusion, all this toxicity, you got to work through.

(33:17):
So I keep working through it. Man, looking for a
way to continue to say the people. No, no civilization
can move forward with this type of attitude. America cannot
continue to operate in this violence motif.

Speaker 10 (33:32):
All right, hold up, thought right there passed they We've
got to step aside and get caught up with the
latest news, traffic, and weather in our different cities. Family
is just joining us. I guess he's Pastor Anthony Williams
as an activist pastor in Chicago. He says civility. He's
the antidote to all the finance has taken place.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 10 (33:46):
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Speaker 1 (33:51):
News this nation.

Speaker 11 (33:58):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, Oh.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
And Grand Rising family in facts of Waking up with
us on this Wednesday morning, this hump day, the last
hump day for August of twenty twenty five. I guess
there's a Chicago activist, Pastor Anthony Williams. He says civila
you've heard him before. He says, civility is the antecdote
to violence. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you
in to speak to Pastor Williams Before we do that, though,

(34:42):
let me just remind you Cornuble. Later this morning, we're
going to hear from chairm and Fred Hampton. We'll stay
in the Window City most of this today. He's going
to respond to Trump's threat to deploy troops in Chicago.
Is also going to preview a weekend celebration for his
freedom fighter dad. For the Chairman Dough of Reparations United's
Cam Howard will unfail a new technique to achieve reparations.
Before we hear from Camp media analysts, and Wayne Gillman

(35:03):
and Reggie Thomas will discuss Donald Trump's threat to strip
ABC and NBC of the FCC license. And tomorrow we're
going to complete Black August twenty twenty five with some
of our top scholars. Instead of looking back at some
of the historical dates and what happened in August and
why they call it Black August, We're going to look forward.
So we've got some of our top scholars are going
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(35:23):
tomorrow morning, all morning long. So make sure your radio
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FM ninety five point nine and fourteen fifty WL. So,
Pastor William, let's go back to the civility issue there.
How are you going to reach these young people? This
is where this is where the source of a lot

(35:44):
of the confusion, especially in our community, our young people
acting out. How are you going to reach them?

Speaker 6 (35:51):
Education? Education, education, You work through the educational systems.

Speaker 12 (35:56):
You work through the.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Educational systems from pre school, go to high school to
the university level. Through that, through that, you work through this.
That's why it's so significant what South Suburban did, an
educational institution brought into the idea of civility and so
it has changed the attitude of the administration, of the faculty,

(36:22):
the students, etc. Because people begin to think a different way. Look,
America is inundated. We are culture violence. If they tell
you in the next week that the NFL ain't gonna play,
people will start committing suicide and killing each other man
because we like violence. We love violence in America. It

(36:44):
ain't right that violence ain't in it. And so when
you see this kind of sickness, I tell people, now,
hold up, hold up, hold up. You can't keep living
like this. We are very primitive in America right now,
and our thinking very primitive. And it is a negative
that's impacting the world. And when you have a so

(37:05):
called president.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Who is a violator, than what do you expect?

Speaker 6 (37:09):
Because people are impressionable. Impressionable people see things were impressionable beings.
We're impressed by things. So you know, your work severely
helps the person become a clearer thinker, a better thinker,
more logical thinker, and to enhance their own God given
common sense. It's not difficult. It makes you a better person.

(37:31):
Who and the sound mind doesn't want to be a
better person.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, you're right on that one. I'm thirteen away from
the top. They past that you waited into the politics.
Now you're running for the US Senate. So you're out
there stumping on the ground, you're talking to people for
potential supporters voters. What are they telling you? Is violence
the number one issue they see?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Out of them?

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Don't know what they say. And if you want me
to tell you, the hours God true. So when we
get into conversations, I ask people what's the most important
thing to you? It's your family, right, don't you want
what's best for you and your family. So, because this
violence affects every social strata, every institution is impacted from
buying groceries, of buying gas predicated around.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
This issue of violence.

Speaker 6 (38:25):
You can talk about political violence, economic violence, etcet excess,
it's still a violation. And that kind of conversation America
doesn't want to have because of this historical criminal attitude.
This is America right now, the America that we live
in in Seid, for what it is. It is a
criminal society.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
And we appalled criminal.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
You got a whole lot of folks that think it's
cool that you got against the president. Now that's not
a good example at all. You say anything that comes
out of your mouth that's not civil. You know, you
want a society to go forth and advance, not be ignorant,
and so our institutions they are bowing down to an

(39:11):
ignorant man. So I said, no, civility makes one a
better citizen, That's what it does. It makes one ay
better citizens because the problem we have. Hopefully God's really
when we get out of this problem, we won't. This
will be a reminder to America that this can never

(39:31):
happen again. But the great tragedy is is that in
my own state and mown backyard. You know, they continue
to try to silence my voice to talk about the
issue of civility, and the public has seen in mind
addressing the public that I'm on target, that I'm on point.

(39:52):
You know, when somebody has the evidence to show you
the accomplishment of how we can solve a problem. I
think YEAD had a commisence to look at that. But
what we have is a lot of ignorance and our
elected officials because they're still thinking and past ten since
the world of COVID, the world has changed. So if
you're thinking like you thought yesterday, Heaven help you. Right

(40:15):
now we're in a very vicious cycle of violence, very vicious,
and they will destroy this nation unless we address this.
Issue and educate people. We got to dumb it down.
My goal is to demonize violence, to dumb it down,
to let people see this ain't no good. And then

(40:35):
I say to the good church folks and other good
folks of other faith that violence is Satan's greatest weapon.
John ten, the enemy comes to steal, killing, destroyed. So
I understand what this levia then he is, and it
has many facets. You have to put it in one compartment.
You can't have we got gun violence over here, where

(40:56):
gun violence is a symptom, domestic violence of symptom, all
of is a violation. But when you start educating people
that this is the disease you don't want that. It's
just like saying do you want cancer? Average person say no,
Do you want aids? They'll say no, nobody wants a disease,
But this is a disease that can be cured with
the methods of civility.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Right, let me stop you there though a ten away
from the top actors. That's where I was going to go.
Because you said that the violence is a disease. Is
it characterize a disease by the federal government or or
are you characterizing as disease. If so, would they have
a different antidote than civility.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
The CDC over twenty years ago pointed out what was
happening in this nation in terms of violence. And when
I began I received a grant to study violence, like
in twenty oh eight something like that, there wasn't a
lot of information. There was some books, but then I
had to go back and look at doctor Amos Wilson,

(41:58):
doctor Francis Cris Wilson. They were they were guiding points
that I had to go back and look at teens work,
go back seek with my why do all of them
see violence as they see it? So in my in
my journey, these the epidemiologists, the black epidemiologists, had to
point out to me what the medical community was saying
in the CDC, the same as the diveed And they

(42:20):
know that now under this administration where they where they
nut like Robbie Kendell Jr. They're not gonna call it
what it is. They'll say it's a normal. It's not
Enormou's an abnormal. So we are accepting at normal behavior
as normal behavior. We are rewarding people out here who
continue to violate all of us can't happen. Somebody has

(42:41):
said no, you can't do that anymore. You know, there's
no respectful rule of law. There's no respect for the neighbor.
You know, hold up there, Why would would you want
somebody to violate you? Nobody won't start. Nobody won't start.
So in the same society, somebody has to step up
and say, you know, hey, I can't do this. But

(43:02):
there is a solution to the problem of violence. But
what happens because of the economy of violence. They don't
want this and the resistance of this, they don't want this.
If it was up to me, all law enforcements would
be like the may tag man. All law enforcement if
you if you implement civility, you could put a lot

(43:23):
of people out of work too, Brother Nelson.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, And that begs the question at seven away from
the top of the hour, Pastor Williams, what is law
enforcement saying when you when you tell them that this
is the this is what they need civility. Do they
do they respond favorably? Do they say okay, oh you're
onto something, Pastors, or do they say, ah, man, that's
not gonna work because we're we're at the ground where
where all this violence is taking place. That's not gonna work.

(43:47):
What do they say, look at.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Common sense, intelligent law enforcement officers, particularly UH across the board,
whether they be black, white, et cetera. They understand, they understand.
They're just doing the job, trying to take care of
their families.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
But the great tragedy iss being.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
You know, our faith based institutions are failing us because
if you look at the precepts of Christ, he is
the model in terms of how you deal with things, civility,
civility even in his own suffering, because what happens if
you persecute me, It's gonna come back to bite you.

(44:30):
Whether I believe in God or not, Calmers will, you
will reap what you sow on this journey on earth.
You will reap what you sew. So it's the authority,
people in authority. It's not the public that resists this
concept of civility, because you can make it real cool.
It is the authority because they don't see a profit

(44:52):
in it. They don't see a profit in it, and
their hearts are not right. So I keep doing what
I gotta do, and so and my campaign running for
you as senator, whether I'm in East Saint Louis, Illinois,
or whether I'm in Ducorn, Illinois, Kanka Key on the
west side of Chicago. I'm able to have a sincere,

(45:12):
straight up conversation with people. Say, you know what, this
violence thing is going to destroy us. It's a disease. Well,
why you stop with You have to start educating people.
You have to educate people what this is. When I
tell the child that violence is a disease, they understay,
look at me, and they understand it ain't good for you,
ain't healthy. And right now America is sick. And I

(45:35):
don't care.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Whether you have a PhD or no ded.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
We are all being impacted by institutional violence in this nation.
Institutional violence, structural violence.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
That's what I.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Speak in terms of, not no damn gun violence, structural institutional.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
But let me ask you this though, when we come
up on break, let me ask you this though, Pastor
Pastor Anthony Williams out of Chicago, does that same message
that play downstate Illinois as a place in the major
urban centers of the state. You mentioned East St. Louis
and of course Chicago, Harvey and all the other places
where most of our folks live. Do the other folks
who the farming areas do they are they concerned about

(46:16):
violence as well.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
My crew, because when you talk about the with it
with the farmer, they're not a lot of them not
getting subsidy. That's economic violence. They can see if somebody's
stealing from you, are denying you for political reasons, the
economic reasons, social reasons, that's a violation. That stayed right

(46:38):
with that. Where what violence is, it's a violation. It
is a violation. The word violence means to violate. That's
what it means, to violate. However you want to cook
it how you want it, it's a violation. So that's
how we offer. Let's violate each other. That's it's become
a way of life. You know, I ain't got to
do that. I ain't saying people gonna be run it.

(46:59):
We ain't gonna have utopia. That won't happen with human beings.
Human beings we are mestic creatures. That's not gonna happen.
But you can have some sanity, and we need voices
of sanity out here. That's what we need. That we
can agree to disagree, and that there's always it's always
bigger than you. It's never it's always bigger than you.

(47:19):
Once you know yourself, and once you're true to yourself,
then the world is bigger than you. I'm not just
in the world of Anthony Williams. I'm in the whole world.
So you know I'm still optimistic despite what's going on
this nation, and I will continue to declare right and.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Hold that thought right there, Pastor Williams. We check the
traffic weather in our different cities when we come back, though,
tell us who benefits from finance. Obviously it's been continuing
for quite some time in this country, obviously, and if
it's doing, somebody's making money. Who's making money on the
folans share that with us when we get back. Family,
you want to join this conversation with Pastor Williams, reach
out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy

(48:00):
eight seventy six and we'll take a calls after the
trafficking weather update this next.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
In Facting with the Most Submissive The Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
In Facting with the Most Submissive.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
And Grand Rising Family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Wednesday morning. I guess is that from Chicago.
He's an activist. Pastor Anthony Williams. He's talking about civility
as an antidote for violence. Before we go on there,
let me just remind you come up momentary. We're going
to speak with the New York UH to media analysts
Wayne Gilmot and Reggie Thomas, who and discussed that Donald
Trump's the threat to strip ABC and NBC of their

(49:01):
FCC licenses. But let's finish up with the Pastor Williams.
Pastor Williams before we left for the traffic update, My
question to you, who benefits is somebody getting paid, who's
making money on all the finance in this country.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Every institution in America primarily benefits from violence. Every institution
that start with from law enforcement. That's start with judges
and courts and bailers, and let's look at that. Let's
deal with the military. How much you think of jet
playing comes, how much you think.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Of ship costs.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
Every institution benefits from violence and an educational system with
poor quality education and teachers who don't care. That's a violation.
So it doesn't matter from from Every institution benefits from
the system of violence because that's the way America was built.

(49:58):
That's only one institut tuition. There's only one civilization known
to humanity, and I forgot their name. They went out
of existence where where Pakistan is ad that was not
built on violence. We're talking about we're talking about recorded
history here and so until we addressed this issue, we're

(50:20):
gonna have what we're gonna have.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
But it takes right and hold. I thought right there,
past because Cliff Colon from Connecticut has a question for you.
Cliff is online three grand Rising. Cliff, your question for
Pastor Anthony Williams.

Speaker 13 (50:31):
Hey Grandbriters and brother Carls. That Pastor I got a
question is something that's.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
A little bit more, a lot more more.

Speaker 13 (50:38):
Wicked, and it's going to get your opinion on this
child milestation Petterphiles, So, why do we have that, particularly
as relates to the Epstein files where you have grown
men violating the innocence of young children eleven, twelve, thirteen
years old? What's the cause of that? Why would a
man be subjected to do that? What's the purpose of that?

(51:01):
So you compare that to violence, that's a whole lot
more wicked and more egregious, violating young innocent children.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Oh, I agree with you. That's a that's an act
of violence.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
Is a violation. It's a violence irresponsible adult children. Children
need to know that they're secure and safe around adults,
not that some some some adult with sick minded.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
A duck with with with with would would violate them.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
So I'm in agreement with you. And when you talk
about this whole Epstein thing, that's a that's a that's
a heck of a case of sexual violence, trafficking, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. So you know, this vicious cycle
has to be has to be broken. And when you
begin to have this dialogue and you begin to have
honesty elected officials who are not afraid to step up,

(51:50):
you know, Bud Nelson, Illinois could have led the way,
could have been a great example to this nation. Had
they not stagnated the ellinoral health of form on bill
that we helped get passed, they could have come. And
the dialogue was, let's establish an office of civility, an
office of civility and deal with violence correctly. But see,

(52:13):
when you talk about the big business of violence, let's
talk about the hustlers out here. You know, when I
was growing up, I watched civil rights become big business,
and I watched people hustle civil rights, they can't hardly
hustle it no more. It's the same with this violence peace.
People chasing at these little grants. Money's just just too infused,

(52:33):
and people saying we can stop You can't stop anything
because your motives are not right. There's a lot of
people out here that can and that are trying to
stop violence, but they don't know what they're battling. They
don't understand. You know, you're looking at this thing from
a different from the wrong construct. You have to deal
with it as a disease and treat it as a disease.

(52:55):
And that's why public education is so important. You know, say,
for instance, you take some.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Of the popular people out here and you have.

Speaker 6 (53:03):
Them doing public service announcement about violence is a disease.
You change attitudes, you change attitude. But we are a
culture of violence, and until this changes, we're gonna continue
to have what we're gonna have. And so this becomes
an excuse for Trump to try to go ahead and say,
guess what, well, America needs martial law. Not too far

(53:25):
from that either. That's why I continue to say, you
know what, you can defeat Trump. You can defeat Trump
and bring him to his needs by addressing him with
the issue of civility.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
And hold that thought right there because we have to
move called time right there, Pastor Williams. I just want
to thank you because you've been you've been consistent on
saying that civility is the anecdote for all the violence,
all violence, you know, structural violence, as you mentioned in
the country. I just want to appreciate it and thank
you for doing that. But you're on the stump. You're
out there running through the US Senate, and I'm sure

(53:59):
you get in an air from the folks. Next time
you we have you on, please let us know what's
what they if they think the violence is the most
important issue, or is it the economy, or is it
just the whole MAGA movement or whatever. But if folks
are listening to us right now and they want to
reach you and have a more continued discussion with you,
how can they reach you, Pastor Williams.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
It's real simple that if they call my office, we
return called seven o eight six' nine oh five three
three nine seven o eight six nine oh five three three.
Nine anybody that calls me, civility with civility or in
a civil. Way i'm going to respond civily to. Them
BUT i just want to thank, you brother for your.

(54:40):
Leadership thank you great. Station thanks mis To Kathy, hughes
and just praying for, everybody for the best for. EVERYBODY
i want to see the best for. Everybody But america
is sick right, now and civility is a key component
in healing.

Speaker 14 (54:55):
Us.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Gotcha thank, you, Pastor and thank you for staying on
the stone so, long, man because you've been doing this
for quite some, time SO i really thank you for
not deviating from your. Message thank, you.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Sir hey, brother never grow weary in doing what is,
right for in due, time your season will. Come And
i've had a lot of good seasons AND i ain't.
Weary and don't none of us get weary because it's
about the, living the, unborn and the. Dead our children deserve,
better got?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
It thank, You. Pastor. Eight that's the top our. Family
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Program good, morning always a pleasure, brother all.

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media And Donald trump is threatening to pull the licenses
FROM abc AND nbc BECAUSE i guess he doesn't like their.
Reporting so when as you've been on the, field report
of your, life that's your, profession your thoughts on, that.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
Well you, know this is part of an ongoing campaign
of WHAT i call. Distraction there's so many other things
that are out there that are confronting this government this
country right, now and a lot of it has to
do with some of the decisions he's made in the
last seven. Months but the fact that he wants to
control the, dialogue control the messaging that's coming over media

(56:31):
just speaks volumes about his intention, of you, know basically
having an autocratic society. Government you, know it's just unfortunate
that not many of, us especially those who are not
in the, media are paying close attention to what's going.
On and those who, do who are informed and understand,

(56:52):
it you, know people are rising their hands and. Discussed
but you, know it's going to take a little bit
more than, THAT i, feel just to keep things in.
Check And i'm not saying THE fcc has been, fair
and you know since its. Inception you, know you AND
i have worked in black media for quite some time

(57:16):
in and, out And i've seen things that just really
astound me over my years in the. Business so you,
know he may, WANT i, mean as long as we
have a democracy, here he may want to revote the.
Licenses BUT i don't see that.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Happening all.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Right how about, You, reggie is a freedom of speciessue
and how does it Impact does it impact these networks?
Financially because you work on the business side of the,
business how do you see it?

Speaker 15 (57:46):
Absolutely you, know a time or two before WHEN i
was on the, SHOW i mentioned to you that WHEN
i was Running media And, RUSSIA i was always very
concerned about how we presented things on, air AND i

(58:09):
think that what we're seeing here is very much reminiscent
of WHAT i saw. There, yes it affects business because
there are advertisers who are very concerned about advertising their

(58:29):
products on stations that could become lightning, rods on networks
that could become lightning, rods and they don't want. That
and then right now the issue regarding terrors are affecting.
Business there are a lot of people who are really

(58:52):
really concerned and holding on to their dollars because they
don't know what's going to.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Happen that's interesting right there at twelve at the top
there Are wayne your. Thoughts, well you mentioned the. Economy
is that the major? Issue the pastor was on it
says it's it's the. Violence and we talked about the
fact That trump he's In chicago And Donald trump is
into it's the same troops on the streets In chicago
like it's done In, washington D. C is he the?

(59:21):
Economy is it? Is because he says he thinks it's
it's the. Violence trump thinks it's the violence in our major.
Cities that's a major. Problem how do you see and you.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
KNOW i FOUND i found the past is, uh you,
know dialogue with you is very interesting and and you know.
It to, me it's just reminiscent about what is happening
and just about all the urban. Localities you, KNOW i
wake up To New York news and the first thing you,
hear it's a particular, demographic but you hear young people

(59:50):
shooting at each other and unfortunately some of, them you,
know are dying from, this and it's like a killing.
FIELD i don't think anybody wants to wake up the
violence around. Them and, yes they're programs that are designed
to basically curtail some of this. Activity if the, government
if The president in, particular were to support some of

(01:00:14):
the existing programs that have shown some, success maybe there
would be a return to. Civility but he's not talking about.
That he'd rather put professionals who are people like The
National guard in the, military who are trained to do
something contrary to what we do here in policing the.

(01:00:37):
Cities and he thinks that's the, answer and it's just
sending out a different message. Altogether so you, KNOW i,
mean at the end of the, day with respect to
the license, issue in terms of the, networks, yes the
economy is a. FACTOR i, think you.

Speaker 12 (01:00:55):
Know he.

Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
WAS i noticed he didn't MENTION cbs when he was
talking to Sing, NOW abc AND nbc BECAUSE i think
he thinks he succeeded by trying to put an end
to The Tom Stephen, colbert who's been highly critical of
him from the. Beginning you, KNOW i, mean that's just
the nature of that kind of. Format it's different from

(01:01:18):
what you, know maybe what you AND i grew up.
With The Johnny, carsons Even David leedhiman was, critical you
know at times and very outspoken about you, know this
man's behavior before he became. President so it's just one
of those. THINGS i. Think you, know, yes it's expensive

(01:01:39):
to put on productions like. THAT i think the media
is constantly. CHANGING i think those who feel, that you,
know they can work in a particular medium for thirty,
years that it would still. EXIST i THINK ai is
going to change up a lot of different things that
are going on with. That but putting that, aside after

(01:02:00):
the matter is is that this is a democracy. Man
and and you know the same way you're in toutle
in your, Opinion i'm in toutleed to. Mind and the
day that we can't voice, that you, know that's the
beginning of the. End and this is what he is
trying to. Espouse and that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Problem all, right sixteen after the, top there will come
on a. Break so let me ask this question For,
reggie Because reggie has worked In russia The Soviet, unit
so he understands what's going. On And reggie a question for,
you And i'll let you respond when you get back
from the break, though because because What wayne mentioned, about you,
know freedom and speech and all that are We are

(01:02:37):
you seeing anything that when you were working In russia
or The Soviet. Union i'm not sure what it was
when when you were. There it's the same the same. Issue,
uh do you see any similar it Was? Russia? Okay
are you seeing any? Similar larry is with with What
trump is doing is when he you, know when it
comes to the media that what they do In. Russia
i'll let you report on that when we get. Back

(01:02:59):
so you want to join this conversation With wayne And,
reggie reach out to us at eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we're taking phone calls.

Speaker 9 (01:03:08):
Next now back to The Carl Nelson show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
And Grand rising. Family thanks just joining us on This wednesday,
morning at this hump day that means we're halfway through
the work. Week and, again hoy shout out our teachers
on the way to work this. Morning you guys do
a great job and we appreciate. YOU i guess this
morning to media analysts out Of New York, city we
Have Wayne gilman and also Have Reggie, thomas And reggie
has worked In. Russia so my question and Previously reggie

(01:03:58):
has tolduted he thinks we're on that we're on the
same glide path The russians now as far as the
government is. Concerned, so, Uh, reggie are you seeing the
same similarities with What Donald trump is? Doing what what
you worked with when you were In? Russia Is regie still?

Speaker 15 (01:04:16):
There they were beginning of the the on the road
to capitalism and. Privatization so what ended up happening is
that you had members of The russian government who like
worked In mary similar to THE, fcc because the government

(01:04:42):
for the longest time owned all of the, towers and
they owned all of the, licensees so they owned the
towers and the. Life here private individuals and private companies
can own the, towers but the licenses are all issued
by THE. Fcc here in The United, states WHEN i was,

(01:05:02):
there What russian operators And american operators would negotiate with
these now privatized licenses and pay all kinds of crazy
money to be able to operate the, stations and then
on top of that had to pay to use the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
To use their.

Speaker 15 (01:05:28):
Towers and what they would have is these what used
to be these big jamming centers where The russians or
The soviets used to jam take those from radio Pre
europe and from The United. States they now were part
of the regular broadcast infrastructure in terms of privatized radio

(01:05:54):
and television now In. Russia because they were migrating from
The soviet way of life to more capitalistic way of,
life they still were very careful to criticize the government
or criticize the. President and on top of that you
still had state owned radio station to state owned television.

(01:06:18):
Here this is kind of like what THEY'RE i don't
know if they're trying to move to state owned radio
AND tv per, se but certainly moving to a at
landscape where if you criticize the government or you criticize

(01:06:42):
the executive in, office they'll try to move to take your.
License AND i think that with what we're seeing in
things that have happened with the scccuming with The Supreme.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Court.

Speaker 15 (01:06:57):
Things that have happened with moving people out of the
country and ignoring of The, court you CAN i think
you can see companies losing their ability to. Broadcast absolutely
What i'm seeing, today absolutely all?

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Right got? It twenty three after the, top dare we're
going to a low echo on your? Call There, uh
have you And kevin checked that out twenty three minutes
after the top. There let's go back To wayne, though
if you're just checking in. Family we have two media
analysts WITH us out Of New York. City we Have
Wayne gilmot And Reggie. Thomas reggie's just. Hurt let's go
back To. Wayne, uh Because wayne's a journalists the report

(01:07:35):
have been on the. Streets, wayne how does this affect,
that the fact That Donald trump is threatening to pull their?
Licenses do you think the reporters are now or do
you think the people AT abc AND nbc are going
to tell reporters that they've got to be careful when
reporting stories they want to do stories that they don't
want to Upset Donald. Trump do you think they're Gonna
how does that affect the professionals who are, doing you,
know Covering Donald trump if they don't want to report

(01:07:57):
anything that's sort of that he deems can even against.
Him how do you think that's going to work?

Speaker 10 (01:08:02):
Out?

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
WELL i think it's already started to have an. IMPACT i,
mean you, know they're there are people who've lost their
jobs AND i AND i sometimes they say it's business
related or you, know someone's contract was on the precipice
of being expired and and things like. That look at the,
uh the Gentleman tony Or Tom Tom. MORAN i think

(01:08:24):
it was AN abc not but he was a network
correspondent who did A White house interview With Donald trump
and it was highly critical and he had said SOMETHING
i believe in social, media you, know which is far
more loose than what you would see on the, network
and right away the management came down on him and

(01:08:48):
that was. IT i often look at what happened To
Joey read AT, msnbc with all the changes that were
going on. There we already talked About Stephen, colbert who's
not a, journalist but you, know his comedy is predicated
on political satire and stuff like. That but at the
end of the, day you, KNOW i believe we're going

(01:09:11):
to see more of this unlus there's an abrupt hault
and a, change and some of it will have to
be pushed back by people in the media and standing.
Up you, know it's just sad what is going, on
and a lot of things are pretty catd on on
the economy and the finances that are. Involved but in

(01:09:33):
terms of running these, outlets you, KNOW i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Think, yeah but let menje up me Here wayne and
ask you this. Though do you think the, reporters you,
Know trump didn't like the numbers he got from the Labor,
department so he fired the lady who just delivered the.
Numbers he's, basically you, know sending a signal to these
networks that you, know you guys are criticizing. Me and
if you, Continue, Christian i'm going to pull your. Licenses
do you think the network's going to tell their reporters,

(01:09:57):
that you, know, hey go easy On? Trump or do
you some of the reporters concerned about their jobs you
get called out By Donald, trump they're not going, to you,
know report to the First they're going to be handling
with kid gloves as a. Reporter how do you say?

Speaker 7 (01:10:11):
That not to cut you, Off i'm in agreement with
you in that. ONE i believe that happens even prior
To Donald trump being elected president first and second. Time you,
know we've, worked or at Least i'll speak for, Myself
i've worked in some media outlets that you, know there
was a certain tenor that you expected to maintain in

(01:10:32):
terms of projecting what image they wanted to. Project you,
KNOW i don't. Know and in all, honesty, again we're
all at the mercy of whatever sponsors we, have so
you have to watch what you say and how you say.
It but at the end of the, day you, KNOW
i think that's going to be the excuse to turn
around and maybe one thing coming from the government and

(01:10:55):
then a sponsor may be upset about something that you
said and taken wrong. Way it just depends on, OR i,
guess on a particular, outlet you. KNOW i, mean conservative
talk radio In New york is far different from what
we're listening to on the air here now with your,
show you, Know and AND i just think that that

(01:11:17):
plays a. Factor AND i think he's going to use
his influence as long as he's you, know controlling the
show from The White, house if he feels that he could.
Do as long as there's no, pushback this is going to.
Continue AND i think that's really what you, know what's
the issue? Here we have to you, know it's it's
all cyclical with all the issues that are going around right.

(01:11:40):
Now he's controlling the news cycle every, day you. Know
it's A i, Mean i'm not saying that other presidents
didn't have that presence Like Joe biden And, obama but
for some, reason the way That Donald trump is going
about still look different issues that clearly to, me in my,

(01:12:05):
opinion is a distraction from some of the real things
that are going, on like The Jeffrey epstein, case the
warn Between israel And hamas in The gaza, strip the
fact that there's so Many palestinian journalists going to their
deaths and the thing is is that we're not allowed

(01:12:26):
to go in there and to report what's going. On
and the fact that he's got such a relationship With
Benjamin nett And. YAHU i know we may be going off,
topic but as far As i'm concerned as a correlation with, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Yeah and it's all. Related thirty minutes at the top
of Af family discussing the media With wayne gilmoy had
just heard And Reggie, thomas you want to join the,
conversation reach out to us at eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy, Six kathy's call us
From maryland And Kathy Grand, Rising kathy's online one.

Speaker 16 (01:12:59):
Grand riot young men house everybody, Today.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
Okay, morning good.

Speaker 16 (01:13:05):
One i'm also happy to hear. It and this is
such an awesome topic because it is, definitely you, know
the head scratcher of all head.

Speaker 17 (01:13:12):
Scratchers outside of the.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
University we've watched.

Speaker 16 (01:13:16):
Media journalists every other you know outlet you playcate to
this animal for you, Know mecca beyond, years but definitely
within the last eight to ten years of our purview
of him being something in our lives that we didn't choose,
Right and it's a it's a it's an amazing thing to.

(01:13:40):
Watch And i'm asking.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
You, guys as journalists and media, figures.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
How do you feel when so many of your colleagues
have capitulated in.

Speaker 6 (01:13:52):
Such a manner that it's actually.

Speaker 16 (01:13:55):
Discussing because if the media and journalism is supposed to
be the fourth of state holding people, accountable you, know
prior to, this when people actually had, guts they'd run
intowards those to report and to the. Corruption and then
let's not even get into the four years of someone
looking at a prior employees and email to just try

(01:14:16):
to find something right and going into every single white
diner ever made In america to ask them their opinion of,
things and never ever focusing on the real stuff that's,
happening which has always.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
Been the division in this.

Speaker 16 (01:14:31):
Country this is the division is not brand. New these
animals have just found a way to exploit it in
a sensitive personal. Manner and So i'm disgusted at law,
ENFORCEMENT COOJ, Sbi i'm disgusted at the. Universities But i'm
asking you, guys as professional, journalists who's been part of

(01:14:54):
the problem of getting us? HERE i would say eighty
percent of the problem of getting us here because you
guys didn't Buy you ran with the, Stories you ran
with the lies everything Those republican animals threw up as
far as the, scandal journalists ran with. IT a bunch
of gossip girls is WHAT i call. Them and we're here.
Now we're here in a destructive time history making part

(01:15:17):
of our lives that we're all experiencing together from what
we've read. Before so my question to you, is as,
journalists as people in the, media how do you feel
with the capitulation of your industry where it was supposed
to be a, pillar just like the?

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
University, Well, meg, yeah and thank.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
YOU i hear your, Anger, kathy AND i happen to
agree to a certain extent of what you're. Doing what you're,
Saying carl AND i were reared by someone who basically
taught us the importance of reporter advocacy and when we
started out, call although we spent many years, apart but

(01:16:02):
the beginning basically was like our way of just learning
the business from a completely different. Perspective AND i go
back to the days and When carl was AT wlib AND,
wbls and we basically sort of set the. Tone i'm
not saying that we were the you, know the beginning

(01:16:23):
of reported. ADVOCACY i think it was already out there
in terms of the black, press but you, KNOW i
don't see that or hear that, anymore you, know depending
upon what outlets you listen. To and the thing is
that it disturbs me WHEN i see people who look like,
Us AND i think the last TIME i was so
angry because someone THAT i sort of like gave birth

(01:16:47):
to in the business back in the, day you, know
just went in a completely different. Direction he's in the
talk radio here, locally but you, know some of the
things THAT i hear coming out of his mouth is
contrary to the things that we were trying to teach.
Him the importance of what we're.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Doing i'm just jump in here for a second way
and just tell the audience of the background of us working,
together which we, started as he mentioned l B wbls
In New york And wayne was actually two weeks there
BEFORE i got. There but we were birth in getting
information of the black community o our you, know for
us what we, did if we didn't get the information

(01:17:28):
to our, community we felt they wouldn't know all the
other stuff they can get from other. People they can
get all the other news or, that but what's going
on in the black community, now not just the black
community In New York, city not just the five. Bars
well when we say the black, COMMUNITY i mean totally
or the black dass for we had a lot of.
That so were our job, was and thanks To David,
lampel our job was to get this information because it

(01:17:50):
was sort of being grained in us that if we
don't report, it our people are not going to get this.
Information wayne is, implying is that the new crop of
black journalists they don't feel that. Way you, know we
talked to earlier With kevin about the red white and
blue and the red black and green and the. Differences

(01:18:12):
we're just straight up, red black and, green you.

Speaker 7 (01:18:15):
Know and, conversely and, AGAIN i know your history out In.
CALIFORNIA i mean when there were incidents out there during
the riots and the wats riots of nineteen ninety one
and THE. O. J simpson you know. Trial you, know
we were back and forth sharing, information getting people on

(01:18:37):
Like Johnny kackman and others who basically espounsed our point of.
View and you, Know i've had situations where two decades,
ago we had a story of the One railroad Government
jamaican national who was upset with the system and you,
know took it out.

Speaker 12 (01:18:56):
On a.

Speaker 7 (01:18:59):
Train car going out To Long island and we had regular.
Cuts this guy would not even go to any other
press unless he spoke to W L I b or
B ls here In New. York you, Know i've had
and let.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Me go back further, though Thank. Kevin let Me Kevin,
wayne let me throw because you remember The Black Liberation,
army The Black Liberation army would whenever they wanted to
get the news, out they throw it to our. Station
we're coming in the. Morning there's a And Walter concord
beyond the news and says in a communicate to a
black radio station In. Harlem that's how they trusted us that.

(01:19:32):
Much that whole thing With Angela davis as. Well you
remember those. Episodes so What i'm saying is is, family
what as black? Journalists what we did we because we
knew there was going to be up uprising IN la
After Rodney, king because the audience trusted. Us and What
wayne is, saying these different this new crop of journalists

(01:19:54):
that they they have not made that connection with our.
People they they're just doing you, know vanilla new you,
know because there's many of them think that The Black
raiders are stepping stone to white radio or something like.
That but for, us we're, like, hey this is what we're.
Doing this is What we're here to serve our. People
i'll tell people that you, know program's not about, me

(01:20:14):
it's about. You we're trying to get all the information
we can for. You but having said that, Way i'm
come up on a. BREAK i want to come back.
THOUGH i want to talk To reggie about the sponsorship
because it was either you Or. Canthy you mentioned about
the sponsorships With Donald trump going AFTER abc AND, nbc
which where we're starting with the. Conversation will that impact
some of the, sponsors should? They because If Donald trump

(01:20:36):
doesn't LIKE abc AND nbc SHOULD i advertise with? Them you,
know So reggie's on the business side of the, industry
so he'll he'll let us. Know, family you want to
join the conversation, though reach out to us at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls after the news that's next And

(01:21:14):
Grand rising family in thanks for rolling with us out
Since wednesday. MORNING i guess right now we have To
New york media analysts with. Us Wayne gillen you just
heard before we left for the, news and Also Reggie
thomas is with. Us before we go back to, them,
law let me just remind. You coming up later this,
morning we're going to speak With Chairman Fred. Hampton The,
Chairman fred's going to discuss the deployment of troops on
his hometown Of chicago's also there's a big event taking

(01:21:35):
place for his freedom fighter dad this. Weekend is going
to share that with us as. Well before we hit
the chairman, Though Reparations United's Cam howard is going to
unveil a new technique to achieve reparations and tomorrow tomorrow
we're going to close the Down Black august and instead
of you, know highlighting some of the historical facts that
took place in this. Month we're going to look. Forward
we've got The, assemblar a group group of some of

(01:21:58):
our top scholars us what we should do going forward
because this world is, changing this country is, changing but
what's looking out for? Us so they're going to be.
Here so it's a very special treat with sharing with
you tomorrow and at start at six am right here
In baltimore on ten TEN wlb and also in THE
dmv ON fm ninety five point nine AND am fourteen
fifty W. L all, Right, reggie before, all because you

(01:22:22):
work on the business side of the, media and we
talked About Donald trump threatening to STRIP abc AND nbc
of THE fcc. Licenses, now If i'm an, Advertiser, reggie
AM i concerned that If Donald trump doesn't like these two?
Networks SHOULD i SHOULD i advertise on? There or AM
i holding on my pocket and go to a network
that he loves Like?

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Fox, Well so.

Speaker 15 (01:22:44):
In this, respect, yeah we know that the executive has
a tendency to use dog with so there's a type
of dog. Wist, yes it probably they probably making him
unhappy because, uh you know they're they're critical of what

(01:23:06):
they see in the. Country, however you know they've already
capitulated When Joy red got. Fired that was a form of.
Capitulation now an answer to the question of whether or
not an advertiser might be concerned about, advertising they're gonna

(01:23:30):
look at the, numbers and they're gonna keep in mind
that the executive is unhappy with. Them some of them may,
decide you know, What, uh, well we'll cross that bridge
when we get to it and something jumps off very,
serious then maybe at that particular, time we'll make a

(01:23:51):
move in a different. Direction in the, meantime the network
has good, numbers and we need to do the best
that we can for our, advertisers or do the best
that we can for our company to reach the maximum
number of. People our eyes on the network.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Got you eight four five zero seventy eight seventy. Six
j's joining us? Online, One, jay what city are you calling?

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
From i'm calling from The Motor. CITY a, right, YES
a grand rising to you and grand rising to your.
GUESTS i didn't catch the beginning of this great, conversation
but before our, question on a preface it with how
important black media was to our. Community here In detroit

(01:24:43):
and especially the local radio stations where there was a
definite connection with the. Community most of the the DJs
and news people were lived within the community and things
of that. Nature it was along with the black newspapers

(01:25:04):
that we got from all over the. Country but my
question is related to the change and means of communication
and modes of communication with the explosion of social, media
The internet and things like, that and how that has
affected so called mainstream media where especially with younger folks

(01:25:28):
who don't WATCH Abc Nightly news as we grew up
On Walter, Krinkake Huntley, brinklin people like, that and so
as an impact on how people get you, know communication
on what's really going on besides how considered corporate media
and has really devolved into a mouth piece for the

(01:25:52):
government as part of this transition into fascism which we're experiencing.
Now how do you think, that's especially in the, future
how that's going to affect people's mode of communication on
what's really going. On you know you.

Speaker 6 (01:26:09):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Right? Thanks?

Speaker 12 (01:26:10):
Jay all, right you want to hit.

Speaker 7 (01:26:14):
That, okay ALL i want to, say as long as
there's no regulation of social, media we're going to have.
Problems that was one of the things that in the
early part of this. Century you, KNOW i was leaving
an organization Called Air, america which gave birth To Rachel
maddow and a few other people who are still in

(01:26:37):
the business. Today you, know there was to, me there
was no agency that was fact checking a lot of
what was going, on especially coming from the conservative. Press
And i'm not saying that the liberal media doesn't make,
mistakes but you, know we are quicker to own up
to our. Mistakes and, again THE fcc is well check

(01:26:59):
it for. Misinformation at least that's their. JOB i don't
know why it's not you know, actively you, know doing
that in terms of some, media Particularly Fox, news IF
i may say. So BUT i mean the fact of
the matter, is to a certain, extent you, know this
is the arm that we need to to be our,

(01:27:20):
budsman you, know with respect to what's going on on
a regular basis in terms of. Reports you, KNOW i
don't know if they can get to monitor everything that's going.
On but you, know when you look back at the
presidents who contest of twenty, twenty you, know When trump

(01:27:41):
was running Against, biden there were a lot of mistakes
that were made that just it took a while for
a lot of it to come, out and some you,
know Namely fox had to pay a huge price with
some of the things that they were. Promoting BUT i
think we're going to see more of this decadent behavior
until things are, regulated you, know AND i don't know

(01:28:04):
what it's going to take to do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
That, reggie your, thoughts.

Speaker 18 (01:28:11):
You.

Speaker 15 (01:28:11):
Know one of the things THAT i wanted to go
back to something a little earlier we were talking. About
you were asking me about IF i see similar things
to what we're dealing with here in The United. States
that's to what we're dealing With. Russia russia had one
element that we don't deal with, here and that was the.

(01:28:31):
Mafia the mafia was, very very deeply involved in not only,
media but taking trying to have their foothold and businesses
that were. Lucrative SO i wanted to take to bring
that element to the forefront because there were numerous times

(01:28:56):
WHERE i would be approached by a company who wanted
TO uh offer what they call a, patience which is a,
roof and we were already dealing with a company that
uh that covered, us if you, Will and so a

(01:29:18):
lot of times WHEN i would be approached by somebody like,
THAT i would send it on to to the big
boys up In New york and they would handle it
from from. There one of the things that we always
have to be concerned with media is in the. Business
these networks are in the business for, money period Paragraph

(01:29:43):
it's about the. Money and the deal is is that
we are very very clear that we are in a
time in our country where uh our our that it,
is are looking at just that how are they are

(01:30:09):
things going to be enriched from a lot of different.
Angles the thing is is that from the standpoint of the,
advertisers AND i said this, before they're not only dealing
with what's going on with the, government but they're also
dealing with policy now and these tariffs are certainly going

(01:30:34):
to be playing a huge role in how advertisers spend their,
money where they spend. It and then right now you're
going to also see suppliers trying to be careful as
to how they utilize their. Funds, Today India pyr score to.

(01:30:56):
FIFTY i saw a new story ear with one of
The indian manufacturers said that that the orders coming from
The United states that have, halted they are at zero
at least for his. Company so these are this this
all is very very, cyclical.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Right how only right there sticks away from the top
of the Hour jeans In. Pikesville gene wants to get
in on this Conversation The Jeans online three From, Pikesville
maryland And Grand rising genuine With reggie And.

Speaker 19 (01:31:29):
Wayne, yeah grand, Browsing yeah. Yeah question for questions for,
you gentlemen in reference To i'm going in but you
hit my feedback, Anyway so here's my.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
Of THE afro.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
Newspaper are you familiar with.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
The Afro.

Speaker 7 (01:31:53):
Okays as A washington based, Publication.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Jane were raising the, clutch just can can you just
put it in a question for him so that they can,
Respond i'm not here. Away so let's move on because
we got two minutes away before we take a, break
and you, know we Got he mentioned That geno. APOLOGIZE
i don't know where the echo is coming, from And
kevin is trying to trace it and trying to figure

(01:32:20):
out where where it's coming. From but let me ask
you going forward, Though uh do you see guys when
you imply that the internet is sort of sort of
an equalizer, though but it Doesn't at the same, time
can you trust everything that you see or hear on The.
Internet but they're. Not they're not handicapped by THE. Fcc
they can. Cuss they can do anything on the, internet

(01:32:41):
stuff that we can't do. Radio.

Speaker 7 (01:32:44):
NOW i hear what you're, saying BUT i think that's the.
PROBLEM i think the fact that it's not regulated and
then it's. Worldwide so who's going to be the? AGENCY i,
mean is there is there some you, know uh planet
that will dis control what goes? On BUT i mean
the thing answer is that there's so much misinformation out
there that if you're not sensitive and taking the time

(01:33:06):
to discern what is right from what is not, right
what is correct from what is not, correct you, know
you're gonna be lost in, this in this ball of.
Confusion AND i don't think it's gonna get any better
until they've come up with a way to just basically
look at that and try to see if they can control.

(01:33:26):
IT i, mean there's some people who are making the
effort of fact. Checking you, know some companies are spending
the money or have developed an opera in arm of
their operation where they can fact. Check you hear more
of that going, on, particularly you know yesterday when The
president had his cabinet meeting and he was. Espousing i'm saying,

(01:33:48):
espousing but basically he was saying what he felt was
the problem with the urban violence occurring in cities Like New, York, Chicago,
washington D. C and what he thinks he can get away.
WITH i mean the fact that you can turn around
and say a lot of people like talking.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Right, yeah hold hold that thought right, There, wayne we
gotta step aside and get caught up on the traffic
and WITHIN i let you finish your thought up when
we get back three minutes away from The tabay. FAMILY
i guess the media, analyst The Wayne dimmon And Reggie,
thomas you want to reach out to, them hit us
up at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy. Six you won't take a phone calls after
we check the traffic in our different.

Speaker 9 (01:34:21):
Cities you're fucking with the most submissive The Carl Nelson.
Show you're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Rock Hang Grand rising. Family thanks sustaining with us on

(01:35:00):
This wednesday, morning this hump, day meaning we're halfway through
the work. Week after, this it's downhill all the. Way
two minutes after the top, day we're speaking with Media,
Aalyss Wayne, gilman And Reggie. Thomas we're talking about the
fact That Donald trump wants to wants to pull THE
fcc licenses OF nbc AND, Abc and before we left
for the, Break wayne was had the discussions about The
internet as an alternate but Again wayne mentioned that there's no, no,

(01:35:24):
no nobody tracks what's on in. It we don't know
if it's true or. False and at some point this
is going to damage the credibility of folks who use The,
internet and that's going to be a. Shame it's already
taking a toll many, people you, know they say on The,
internet do they double? Check they don't. Check because many
of us are our critical. Thinkers when you see something that's,
outrageous you, should you should research it before repeating. It

(01:35:44):
but many people just don't do. That, So, wayne what's
it going to. Take what sort of alternative information source
of our folks can be gonna have to? Use if
the ones that are already, compromised if the ones that
we used to or compromise because Of Donald, Trump, WELL
i agree with.

Speaker 7 (01:36:02):
YOU i, mean the thing, is it's unfortunate that a
lot of this is not being. Checked and you, know
And i'm sitting here during the, BREAK i was thinking to,
myself you, know a lot of the world looks at
The United states. Government not to say that this, perfection
but almost the goal standard on trying to bring about a,
democracy something that has. Balanced and maybe it may take

(01:36:25):
since The internet is a worldwide, operation you, KNOW i,
mean it may be difficult to regulate it outside The United,
states but maybe some agencies should be formed here and
which you know that they could basically control what's being
said and it'll be left to other, countries other jurisdictions

(01:36:47):
to come up with their own version of what's going.
On because as long as we have this misinformation problem
and the fact that AND i am ashamed to say,
this but there are a lot Of americans that are.
Gullible they just leave anything that they would tell. You you,
know it's just going to. CONTINUE i don't see it
getting any. Better and it's disappointing because the deal is

(01:37:10):
especially if you've come up in our, generation you, Know reggie,
yourself call you know where you've seen the difference and
you've lived through this. Divide you, know it's, frustrating you,
know to see what's going on, now and then when
you see people who've come behind. Us you, know some
people feel that they're gods and they can espouse their

(01:37:32):
own point of view without thinking about the impact of
what they're. Saying it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Problem, yeah, well Said Wayne. Reggie how about, You.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
Well you know.

Speaker 15 (01:37:47):
One of the we talked about. Capitulation when these networks
have YOU secva engaged and their capitulation to try to
get them themselves away from the. Run it was a
big concern for. Me i'm a big consumer of sixty

(01:38:11):
minutes And i've been walking three minutes or probably over fifty.
Years and one of the things that concerned me is
when they started moving people out of the helms of the.

(01:38:35):
Show they moved the news, director they moved one of
the big producers of sixty, minutes and then sixteen million
dollars was paid so that the transaction can take place
Between paramount and the company That Larry ellison owns Sky.

(01:39:00):
DAMS i became, very very concerned and and started to
wonder IF i should even continue watching, that because when
you start to see things like, this then you then
you have to question the trustworthiness of the news that They're.

(01:39:25):
Protannic that is a big concern of, mine AND i
think we all need to be. Concerned you, know we
were all given a. Choice and drives me nuts is
when WHEN i see black people honestly believe that what's

(01:39:50):
going on is gonna be for their. Protection i've got, big,
big big concerns about that going in terms of people
being used out of the. Country for, me, though it's
not something That i've, read.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
And your echo on your line is going going, worse
going south on, US.

Speaker 15 (01:40:21):
Reggi actually Because i've been hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
It, well good for, you because you know that shows
the professional that you, are because sometimes we have to
power through stuff like. That i've done it several. Times you,
know people don't, know but you deal With. Yeah i'm
glad you're alled with the. Punches BUT i want to
thank you again for sharing all this, Information, reggie and
you of Course, Wayne thank you, fellas and and let's

(01:40:47):
let's keep this going BECAUSE i think it's one of
the topics that we need to talk about with the
media because the media is changing as as you. Know
As wayne, mentioned when we, started it wasn't like what
it is today and it probably never will go. Back
and nothing most things are never going to go back
to where they, were and sometimes you wonder about the
good old days or whether the good old days or.

(01:41:08):
Not but the new, technology, now the digital, divide is
taking place in so many issues that we need to get.
To SO i just want to thank both of you
brothers are for joining us this.

Speaker 7 (01:41:16):
Morning thank you very. MUCH i HAVE i might add
THAT i have tickets for The yankee game this afternoon
and they're playing a little lone team known as The Washington,
nationals And i'm just hoping The yankees pull.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Through the yank has been, struggling as you, know so
we'll see have fun in The. Bronx thank you all,
righty and thank you thank You reggie as. Well eight
minutes off the top of The alice bringing Brother Cam,
Howard cam Grand, rising welcome back to the. Program.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Brother that's quite a. Pleasure i've always would be, here,
Brother thank You.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Granding, yeah because you, know we're talking about, reparations and
all of a, sudden reparations have been push to the
back burner in the age Of Donald trump talking ABOUT
dei and all that kind of. Stuff the last thing
that it seems it will be anywhere close is. Reparations
it seems like some of the advocates have sat back
now is, Like, okay there's no way we can get

(01:42:15):
any momentum with reparations as long As Donald trump is
in The White. House before even mentioned the word, reparations
he's going to jump all over it and all his
supporters as. Well so with the impact Of Donald trump
in The White house and THE maga group is just
making your job more difficult to sell the idea of
reparations in the way it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
Is you, know one of, them as you just pointed,
out a lot of the sentiment is that Because Donald
trump is in The White house that nothing can be.
Done so you, know we have to overcome that before
we can even talk about what can be. Done and you,
know so that's really the challenge is getting people to see,
that you, know there is a possibility a real things

(01:42:57):
that we can do right. Now and AND i was
invited By chairman Of malogues to teller In january to
speak to this whole issue of our reparations in The trump.
ERA i put together a presentation Entitled Democracy reparations In Donald.

(01:43:21):
Trump presented that In, april and you, know and gave
it a what by thissis thinking was at the time
looking at what had happened in The biden administration right
before he left, office and was able to just come
up with an idea on how we could actually pursue
reparations in This trump. Era AND i expanded that later

(01:43:42):
to a detailed webinar THAT i put put on the
first day Of August Black, august will we delve deeply
into that and also put together instructure on how we
can actually develop a plan of action for reparations during
The trump.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Era, good and hopefully you'll share that with. Us you're
letting that at the top of our. FAMILY i guess
it's From Reparations, United Cam howard And cam have you
Seen are you losing any soldiers in the fight for
reparations because Of Donald trump and The White house and
the magat. Crowd?

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
Ah most. Definitely you, know most of the long term
reparations activists have abandoning federal, reparations have turned most of
their action and sensi toward state and local which you
know there are that are great potential in the state local, cases,
uh in areas where you know The democrats control these

(01:44:40):
cities and state. Houses but to take our eyes off
the federal push is an error in my, thinking especially
if we understand a system of facts WHAT i call
facts that are presented before us right, now that if
we look at there's whole issue from these setup backs

(01:45:01):
and we will see that there's actually potential at the
federal level of this. Time although we have to just you,
know be active and swift with our. Actions and you,
know this guy has given us more and more opportunities
to make cases with the days that he's. Doing SO
i see that it's very different than than a lot of.
People but you, know AS i, said we had this this,

(01:45:25):
webinar we had one hundred and twenty show people on the.
Webinar it was a two hour. Webinar everyone's staying on
to the. END i think we maybe had three or
four people drop off in the last maybe five or six.
Minutes so people were, engaged and you, KNOW i got
a lot of feedback, talking you, know saying and, ma'am
now we're paying chests instead of, checkers and so you,

(01:45:48):
know we have to look at look At thames from
a different. View you, know one of one of the
facts THAT i shared was that you, know we can't
let no one white man at any, time tell us
when we can struggle for our rights and demand you
know what's due to. Us we don't care you know
who's in. Office we still have to struggle for you
know what is due to. Us we don't have to

(01:46:10):
struggle for. Justice so and that's our. History we have
a history of. That you, know we can lean back,
on you, know all the things we've done in this.
Country it didn't matter what sup of white folks and
what white person was in. Power we struggled and we,
won and we can do so. Now and another fact that,
SAID i think The trump area is going to be

(01:46:30):
for a long, time even Though trump may be out of.
Office he's trying to stand. Longer but he might be
a out of office in three. Years what he's established
may be in existence for you, know fifteen to twenty.

Speaker 12 (01:46:42):
Years you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Know so we're just going to give up on federal
redress because of the systems of domination and redomination and
he's putting in. PLACE i don't think. So especially you,
know there are some things that we can't. Do so
although we're losing a lot of, people we're making this
argument and people are saying, saying, yeah to this, argument

(01:47:06):
and so we've already again establishing the structure to move
us forward.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Too all, right fourteen a half that top they are
and which is correctly what you. Mentioned is this the
era we're going through, Now it's not gonna end When
Donald trump leaves. Office they The maga, crowd they've they've
planned this for years and they plan to stay in
office even If Donald trump says he's you, know he
may not, leave but if he is, replaced it'll be
somebody who does What he's already set. Up they've got

(01:47:36):
the building blocks set. Up so what does this mean
for the resistance? Crowd which is part of the resistance
crowd is supporting. Reparations do you guys understand that this
this is what this is for the long? Term you
have you changed the technique so that you, can you,
know tweak. It so whatever we're going, after what we,
deserve what is, ours we're still going to fight for.

(01:47:58):
It if you've made any changes and they, adjust.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
We most definitely. Have you, know LIKE i, said we're
based we're basing this new push for federal redress on
a series of. Facts one is that The trump era
is not going to be short. Lived as you, stated you,
know blacks. Lost The democrats lost the election because they
did not satisfy going into the election their largest voting

(01:48:24):
blocks other than the other than white, people as the black,
people it's the, largest was the largest voting block of
The Democratic. Party The Democratic party has comprised of sixty white,
voters twenty, voters and nineteen percent of all. Others so
we were larger than all other non blocks. Combined and

(01:48:46):
they did not satisfy us going into the, election and they,
lost and they lost enough percentage of the black vote
that allowed The republicans to. Win, NOW i don't see
anything That democrats Have donald can do in the short
term that's going to reverse. That so there's no way
with The republicans haven't won the majority of the white

(01:49:08):
vote for the last sixty five, years sixty plus. YEARS
i don't see that The democrats can win another federal
election for a, minute even with all these things that
you stated that The republicans have. Done for the long,
TERM i don't think The Democratic party has the. Votes
that's why they're really struggling to get these, immigrants you,
know getting them voting, rights because you, know they don't

(01:49:31):
have the number of black voters in their. Pockets they
need eighty seven eighty eight percent of black votes and
it's down about eighty three four and SO i don't
see that changing anytime. Soon another set of facts is
THAT i hold.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
Up though right, there because that's interesting what you just.
Said so what does that mean? Then The, democrats as
you mentioned the. Crippled did you show the? Ladies i'm
sure you saw the ladies' registrations where The republicans have
stocked up. People you, know it's decided calling Themselves republicans
unless unless people are saying that They're. Democrats and that's

(01:50:07):
going to be an issue because The republicans are not
going to carry the ball for, reparations and don't you
don't have Enough democrats to do. IT i hear the music,
Plan so we got to step asund when we come,
back Brother, cam tell us what we do then if
for both of us who want, reparations how's it going
to play? Out, family you want to join this conversation
With Cam howard From Reparations. United reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight to seventy

(01:50:29):
six and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 9 (01:50:31):

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
And Grand rising. Family thanks for sticking with us on
This wednesday. MORNING i guess Is cam howd from reparations
she united discussing reparations and the fight for reparations still,
continues despite the fact that we living in The trump
era and all. Questions when before we left foot for the,
break we you noted the fact that most of the
well the electorate are now saying most of the actually
saying that THE Gop party and not The Democratic, party

(01:51:26):
and obviously they're not going to carry the ball for,
reparations And, Darius democrats don't have the numbers to do.
It so for those people who like support, reparations Brother,
cam what do they?

Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
Do so one of the first let me let me
say that you still have The Democratic party presidents at
the state and local, levels so we do have things
happening positively at that. Level at the federal, level we

(01:51:58):
don't have. Them we never had a really congressional lever to.
Push our goal was to use the congressional, level use
Hr foy In, congress get one in The, house get
a bill simultaneous bill pass introduced in The, senate and

(01:52:19):
get as much support for these legislations to show that
there was political will and The house of the party
in order to persuade The president to establish the commission
through executive. Order we knew we couldn't get the bill
passed through The, senate meeting the sixty vote supermajority in The.
Senate we knew we couldn't get those, votes but if
we demonstrated we had the will of The Democratic, party

(01:52:42):
which we, did But biden still didn't. Move we did
demonstrate that we had the will of The Democratic. Party
we had twenty and seventeen votes in The. House we
moved the bill out of committee for the first. Time
it was voted out of The judiciary, committee never made
it to the. Floor we had twenty Two senators signed,
on eleven of the Top senate committee chairs signed on

(01:53:05):
to the, bill and The senate so we we, had you,
know three states that had democratic states led By democrats
had reparations. Commissions of forty and fifty cities led By
democrats had reparations. Commissions so we showed that there's political
will throughout The Democratic party for reparations at the federal.

(01:53:26):
Level But biden did not. Move and that's why we
Have trump in, OFFICE i. Believe so there's still a
tremendous amount of potential at the, state local. Level, federally
we don't think that we can move Through, congress definitely
can't move through this this. Yary so you have the executive,
branch and so we need to know what we're working

(01:53:48):
with and not just go on all the things that
we have been said and really actually get down to
the facts that what is happening within this, country within
the The Republican, party within the executive branch of. Government
we know That Donald trump is a, Racist we know
that he's a white, suprenticist we know he's a. Narcissist
but those are not his main. Characteristic his main characteristic

(01:54:13):
for what applies to, us that this guy is a transactional.
Dude you, KNOW i read his Book The order To
deal back in the, nineties and he read. IT i
think he wrote a nineteen, eighties eight or eighty, seven
and he is not shifted from that particular. Mindset everything
to him is a, Deal everything to him is a.
Transactor he speaks in that, term even when dealing with

(01:54:34):
with presidents and foreign. Governments everything is a deal to.
Him that's his chief. Characteristic we can present reparations as
a transaction one where he wins as well as we.
Win we believe we can get that get something done
in The trump, era but not Through trump. Himself what
we're what our focus is to do is to go

(01:54:58):
through the executive the department. Level and the reason we're
focusing on departments is because we saw that that worked
for The Native americans during The biden. Administration during A biiten,
Administration bite had had Appointed Dead, filling A Native, american

(01:55:19):
as The secretary of The department Of. Interior immediately upon taking,
office she moved that department into what was called an
investigation into boarding school. Crimes, now for those who don't,
know The american, government in addition to genocide and theft of,

(01:55:39):
land they also created a system of forced assimilation Among
Native americans by snatching their children out of their homes
and forcing them into these boarding schools for over one
hundred years to force them to assimilate into this white,
culture stripping them of their. Cultures you, know all types

(01:56:00):
of abuses took, place and that was a single issue
that she focused. On had two, investigations and if you
look at the language of these. Investigations it sounds just
LIKE hl forty STEAD hr forty at the executive, level
at the executive branch, level at the department, level there
were two, reports a series of recommendations on this single.
Issue one went to, apology which fighting delivered right before he.

Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
Left the.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
Other you, know and you know That leonna Pel te was.
Released he was a boarding school victim at the age
OF i think, eight he was snatched out of his.
Home he said at age thirteen he became a revolution
every dage thirteen because of what it was hottening to
his people at that particular. Time but we see that
there's precedents of establishing redressed efforts at the executive level

(01:56:48):
through working at particular, departments and so we're setting up
a series of department level actions to which for which
we move this. Forward not to talk about that in
the second just wants your response to to, that, Right,
well let me.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Just say this at twenty six out the top of the.
Camp it sounds, great but you're gonna need you're gonna
need some elected officials to do this to push it
to be you, know take, it take it to another,
level even if it's just for informational, purposes so that you,
know they got news coverage AND i don't see any
of our you, know Hopefully i'm. Wrong they're standing out

(01:57:27):
there for reparations because the first thing they're going to
they're going to be. Conservaed they may get primary Because
trump will turn its tack dogs on THE maga group
and vote them out of. Office so how are you
going to deal with?

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
That so another set of facts THAT i pointed out
most of us are aware, of Uh Reagan. Democrats Reagan
democrats Were democrats who in nineteen eighty decided to Vote
republican because they were This, china this In china with

(01:58:02):
The Democratic party's efforts around the, economy and they shifted
and became and Voted. Republicans Those Reagan democrats are now Staunched.
Republicans they had no longer tell they're the basis of
the of The Republican. Party, now what we've seen in

(01:58:23):
this last election was that there were a number of
tru and they were primarily white, men working class and
blue collar workers accel as These Reagan. Democrats what we
saw in this particular election was you have What i'm
Calling Trump, democrats And Trump democrats are different From Reagan.
Democrats These democrats are primarily black, men some black. Women

(01:58:47):
they don't have the same conservative values as The Reagan
democrats or the even the Black republicans that we know
who are Black republicans who believe in to pull yourself
up by your boostrap ideology and on all that and.
Mess these are not Those demo Those. Republicans These Trump
democrats are all favored. Reparations And trump has been rewarding

(01:59:10):
some of these folks that helped them get, elected and you,
know those are some of the people we're gonna have
to pull on as we move.

Speaker 12 (01:59:17):
Forward some of.

Speaker 4 (01:59:18):
Them have gotten into positions of. Power he's again he's rewarded.
Them and for the most, part all of them are reparation.
Activists and that's really why they chine run over to
the to The Republican. Party so The democrats did not
speak to.

Speaker 15 (01:59:33):
The issue of.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
Reparations and so that's that's that's something that we have to.
Consider we have to exploit, that we have, to you,
know reach out to.

Speaker 14 (01:59:41):
Them.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
Get their assistance that's removed for, it because, again they
already have an attitude or favorability of. Reparations another thing
that we are unaware of WHICH i pointed, out is
that there's been a shifting attitude among whites And republicans
around the issue of. Operation and we think that reparation
that white folks did, not you, know not favorable. Reparations

(02:00:05):
but that's not the. Case in, fact what we see
is a forty percent decreased in opposition among white's And.
Republicans and twenty twenty, Four Liberation ventures did a, poll
a reparations, poll a national poll around the issue, reparations
and one of the questions they asked was do you

(02:00:25):
support or a posed or different to a reparations? Commission?
Now and WHEN i saw this, report AND i saw
that particular QUESTION i had in my archives a twenty
Nineteen hunting The post unreleased pole and the same question was,
asked do you support different or other polls or pose

(02:00:49):
of reparations? Commission AND i compared the numbers from twenty
nineteen to the numbers of twenty twenty, four AND i
saw that there was a nineteen percent increase of blacks
who support. It which is which is which is you know?
Nothing you know that we were didn't expect in twenty,
nineteen seventy six percent of black supported or unopposed a reparations,

(02:01:11):
commission and twenty twenty four was ninety four, percent which
is nineteen percent increased in twenty. Nineteen forty three percent
of whites as a whole either supported or unopposed in
twenty four is sixty six. Percent that's not what we're
going to being. Told we've been told that white you,
know only seventeen into percent of whites support. Reparations what

(02:01:33):
they only support reparations in the form of cast when
we talked about other aspects of. Reparations there's more when more,
agreement that's going to shifting attitude when it comes to
those who actually opposed a reparations. Commission among whites in
twenty nineteen seven nineteen twenty, nineteen fifty seven percent of,
whites as it, grew opposed a reparations. Commission in twenty twenty,

(02:01:55):
four that number is down to thirty four. Percent that's
a sixty percent of, decrease and that's a sixty or
forty percent. Decrease Amongst republicans in twenty, Nineteen carls seventy
five percent Of republicans opposed flout out opposer reparations. Commission
in twenty, fourteen that number is forty seven, percent, again

(02:02:17):
a forty percent. Decrease the majority Of, republicans a small,
majority fifty three percent over forty three, percent either of
support or other posed The Reparations. Commission and so we
have to frame what we're saying in different, works in
different manners to appeal to These, republicans whites And republicans
who don't actually oppose this. Conversation and so these are

(02:02:41):
set of facts that we have to actually begin working
on and not what is thrown out that that we're
the stuff we've been fed every day that you, Know
republicans are totally against. Reparations that's not the case according
to the twenty nineteen, polls and according to the twenty
twenty fourth pole that's definitely not the. Case and in,
fact more and more of their betwasting their opposition to this.

Speaker 15 (02:03:04):
Conversation all, Right, OLD.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
I thought there just twenty eight minutes away from the top,
Day i've got some folks want to join the conversation
and Stop. Rush And carl he's calling us From Palm
Beach county In. Florida, carl you're on With Cam.

Speaker 20 (02:03:16):
Howard how you, doing family And i'm so thankful that
Our god placed you cam in that kind of realm of,
thinking because we need that kind of. Support BUT i
wanted to offer a new kind of thought. PROCESS i
think we look to the government and everybody else was
their respectable position and the. Reparation But i'm also looking

(02:03:39):
at those of us who are the children of the.
Slaves how they're those of us who achieved certain resources
that we are squandering away going on trips and you,
know doing buying cars and all that kind of. STUFF
i think if we would just take some of those
dollars and invest them in our children right and pay
ourself as a, community pay our children to learn about their,

(02:04:02):
history because they're not going to be taught that in
public education Or northern count of educational.

Speaker 6 (02:04:07):
Institution AND i.

Speaker 20 (02:04:08):
Think if we would invest in their mind and give
them the proper, information and we need to do that
for ourselves so that we can ensure that when they
do go to the, government they have the mind change
that they have, needed because we understand that the miseducation
is very. Real AND i just wanted to asks us
to take a critical look at what The jews. Do

(02:04:30):
they don't turn their children over to the public education
or whatever until they gave them a thorough knowledge of.
Themselves AND i think if we would utilize that. Model
BUT i think we need to pay our, babies because
if we paid them there to take them off the,
street they won't be hustling dope no. More they'll be
hustling their knowledge of. Themselves AND i think that brother
Of Tyrone, POWELLS i think he's in the best one

(02:04:53):
of the best positions because he's in the county and
tell pro he, said from my, perspective he's Like Cottage.
Wilson he went through the education the. Round this brother
went through the policing realm and well whatever they call.
It he went through that and he was able to
come back and share with us the knowledge that we
need to retrieve as a result of the, injury because

(02:05:14):
most of the time we look at what we can
do to stop the, hemorrhaging but we don't understand how
the hemorrhaging. Starts AND i just wanted to bring that
to our attention if we could possibly entertain that kind of.
Idea AND i say that because we spent a lot
of money trying to get somebody elected for, president AND
i think if we had those kind of resources to

(02:05:35):
even invest in what you was trying to, achieve it
would be much greater usage of the resources that we have.
Accumulated it's time for us to really take the storehouse
and take it to our. Reality and WHEN i say, that, Brother,
camp your success is my, success because if you, Successful
i'm gonna be successful in your. Success AND i think

(02:05:55):
we need to entertain the idea of giving some new
path ways towards. Reparation AND i think we need to
start with at least the junior high, school the high,
school and the collegiate.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
Level and if we Had i'm going to hold you
right there because you're coming up on a break AND i
want to Give cam a chance to respond to what You.
Carl but thank thank you U. Cam you said take
it to the school. Level your, thoughts ohmost.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
Definitely you, know we have to be in control of
education with our. Children you, know that's one of the
challenges that we. Are let's facing us now that a
lot of our children have been educated in these predominant
institutions and had not seen the system in its, entirety

(02:06:43):
and they clearly see the system and it's entire and
how it affects. Us affect affects, us and more and
more are combing into that, awareness but it's coming into it.
Late and so if we can get that awareness, earlier
and you, know our, children you, know are seeing the.
Contradictions AND i don't think we're going to go. BACK
i don't think we're going to ever our children. Ever
let us not speak to this issue of. Reparations and

(02:07:06):
so that's a good. Thing BUT i CERTAINLY i agree
with my brother AND i think you know. This you,
Know trump era is going to force us to be
more thinking about, aggregating self. SEGREGATING i don't like the
term self, segregating but more, aggregating you, know our resources
for a collective survival and can. Empowerment so that's one

(02:07:28):
one aspect.

Speaker 12 (02:07:29):
Of The trump era and.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
We're going to step aside for a. Moment so hold
that thought right. THERE i did you to finish your
thought when you come back twenty three minutes away from
the top day our, FAMILY i guess there's Reparations united
is cam how it is. Sharing this is a new
technique for us to get. Reparations what are your thoughts
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy, six and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 9 (02:07:51):

Speaker 1 (02:08:19):
And Grand rising. Family thanks for staying with us on
This wednesday. MORNING i guess This Cam Howard cam is
from reparations To united says he's got a new technique
now had to get reparations across the finish. Line what
are your thoughts eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight to seventy six to speak To camp before we
go back to, him, though just reminds. You Following, camp
we're going to speak With Chairman Fred. Hampton The chairman
is going to report or respond to the fact That

(02:08:41):
Donald trump is spliting to put troops on the streets Of.
Chicago and if you've Heard Chairman, fred that's his main,
office the streets Of. Chicago he's going to respond to,
that and also he's going to share with us a
big conference with it coming up for his dad is
Freedom Fighter. Dad it's going to take place this. Weekend
it's going to share that with us and tomorrow again
we're inviting you family to join us and tomorrow as
we put the cap on. Black august twenty twenty. Five

(02:09:03):
but instead of looking at the historical events took place In,
august if you, know we're going to look. Forward this
is what we. Do we assemble some of the brilliant
scholars that we, have and they're going to be here
to share with. Us what's some advice with the you,
know help us navigate these these coming years that we're
going through and we're trying to figure out what we should.

(02:09:23):
Do you, know some people want to cut and run
and some people want to stay and, fight and a
lot of people are. Confused so that's what we're going
to try to do in some of that confusion tomorrow.
Morning so make sure you got your radio locked in
tight on ten TEN wlb if you're In, baltimore or
if you're in THE, dmv RUN fm ninety five point
nine AND am fourteen FIFTY. Wl all, right Brother, Camp

(02:09:43):
i'll let you finish your. Thought then we got another
call for.

Speaker 6 (02:09:45):
You.

Speaker 4 (02:09:47):
Yeah so you know, again you know The web versus,
movement you, know it's really an. Area trump was really
built around two. Areas one is internal, reparation AND i
think that's what my brother was talking. About we had
to use internal resources as resources to engage in steff
repair even to the point, of you, know taking care
of our, children as he. Responded and then there's also

(02:10:09):
What i'm talking about is Federal redress utilizing the department
within the executive branch of. Government and we created The
Federal Redress Advancement network to act out in the second,
manner how we can actually begin to deliver targeted resources
in less than two years from the federal government.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
Got you seventeen away from the top. Day let's go To.
Baltimore jason's waiting for us a Grand. Rising, jason you're
on With Cam howard.

Speaker 4 (02:10:40):
Grand, Rising my.

Speaker 17 (02:10:42):
BROTHER i came here in the conversations that folks are
saying that in order for reparations to really move, forward
it has to be. TRANSACTIONAL i, mean in some cases
they feel this administration may be that administration to present
that transaction To since he likes to call himself the deal,
FILMMAKER i don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:11:02):
THAT i don't know how to call himself. That brother
he is. That i'm, glad do you agree with?

Speaker 17 (02:11:10):
That and with all the different reparations that we, HAVE
i always say, that you, know reparations is, old, locally,
statewide federal wide and even, internationally because we know the
covenants and agreements That spain had with multiple Countries, Portugal, England,
france and so on in reference to the transatlantic slave.

(02:11:32):
Trade So i'm trying to, understand, like how do we
consolidate these movements because like The, jews you, know they
had The Luxembourg agreement and we're able to kind of
like bring in collectively their groups and fight for reparations
for like all the different companies abroad that were responsible

(02:11:53):
for The nazi. Machine, like how do we consolidate.

Speaker 4 (02:11:57):
This in some?

Speaker 17 (02:11:57):
Way BECAUSE i see that some states are to pay out.
REPARATIONS i heard That Black Wall, Street, uh some of
the descendants may have gotten. Reparations i'm trying to, understand
how do we consolidate this and bring this all together
so that we go after those who are responsible for
the for the trade in general internationally and hold everyone

(02:12:20):
accountable so that that pot could be distributed amongst the
people like The jews are.

Speaker 4 (02:12:25):
Doing thank you for that. Question that's a very good, question.
Brother how do we consolidate, state, local, state, federal international group?

Speaker 15 (02:12:36):
Addressed we do?

Speaker 8 (02:12:38):
It utilize.

Speaker 4 (02:12:39):
It what we're, doing we utilize The MALCOLM x, doctrine you,
know on international internationalize in our our, struggle And malcolm told,
us you, know you can't utilize the oppressor's laws to
get him to do what's. Necessary so we utilize international,
standards international, law even in The american. Context one of

(02:13:01):
the THINGS i did in twenty fourteen was to determine
THAT i would make the international standard of reparations IN us.
Standard the international standard reparations is the full reparation has
five components the, station insurance and guarantees of non repetition and, restitution, compensation, satisfaction.
Rebilitation and we went around the country year after year
after year talking about this international. Standard we adopted it

(02:13:25):
in In. Cobra we shared it With Moving Black. Lives
they adopted, it and now it's common knowledge and it's
common practice that you, know in every reparation context they're
talking about these five components of reparations that a reparations
program has to. Restore not only would you the international

(02:13:47):
standard of, reparation we use an international battle that came to.
That we were given out of The Durbin, declaration the
program of oct The World conference Against. RACISM i wrote
a piece called Fivey central principles of The Global United
reparations From United. Fronts what are these five er central
principle one is that we have to use The durbin

(02:14:07):
model that translanting slave, trades, slavery, apartheid colonialism with crimes against.
Humanity these crimes against umnity have no statu of limitations
where there's continued or impact for those. Crimes it's mandatory
that that, obligatory the reparations is. Due there's no. Question
it's not a question of if there should be. Reparation

(02:14:28):
it's mandatory and we have to utilize that same. Model
that's WHY i don't Call Jim crow in this Country Jim.
CROW i call it what it actually, was international definition
of a part, time which means that all the policies
that this country engaged in under the apartheid regime were
crying under The Jim crow regene requires it against, humanity

(02:14:50):
from which reparations is. Obligatory and we're utilizing that in
this NEW uh direction that we're taking with the federal
government at the apartment, level we're looking at we go
into each each, Department apartment Of, Defense department Of, Trade
department Of, Education Department, health and using Service department Of,
Housing urban, debuns all of these department pardners labor and

(02:15:11):
we look at the Historical we do an historical audit
on their, criminality whether they engage in unlawful behavior or
whether they engage in exclusionary behavior during the gym pro.
Period and we're calling that exclusionary behavior also criminal behavior
because it was done under an apartheized, system a system
of a legal system of. Domination, again we're utilizing the international,

(02:15:34):
structure international, model which we can do, globally and we
can use that right here In america at the city,
level of state, level and federal. Level and we look
at all of that criminality and we, say is there
continued impact from that, criminality from, enslavement, whatever that, department

(02:15:55):
whatever comes out of that historical, audit is there continued
impact impact under international, law not reparations is. Mandatory, now
we just can't base that argument on they engage an unlawful.
Behavior here's where the transactional component comes. In we know
That Donald trump wants to say he's the best president

(02:16:17):
for black, people and so that's his ego, speaking but
also he's a. Businessman what we can show and we
can show that. Reparations every dollar that you spend TO
o reparations is not a drag on the. Economy it's
actually an. Investment there will be a monetary return on that.
Investment for, instance we're looking at what is happening right

(02:16:42):
now with THE Dc, police The National guard IN dc
and they take over THE dc police and the total
baffing on black community and, saying the black people are black.

Speaker 7 (02:16:54):
Youth, father you, know the.

Speaker 4 (02:16:55):
Only criminals IN dc when they heal with the criminals
are the pollers of. Government but they're focusing their policing
on black. Youth but we know that The department Of
labor has led to has engaged in many clients against our,
community which led to a reduction of imployability of blacks over.

(02:17:17):
Generation we're, saying and we're proposing to The department Of
labor that they meet that particular history with a repair
of basic, income remedial repaired based income of young. Adults
trump is coming in with the. Stick department Of labor
must offer a Carric how do we get these young people,

(02:17:38):
retooled reskilled so they are moved out of the street
economy which is criminal and, violent and get them into
the former economy where there's an ability to take care
of them themselves and the. Family that's the. Goal that's
one of the goals on how we utilize this transactional
peace With, trump because our our data shows that every

(02:18:01):
dollar invested in a repair to based The gamecome program
will return to the government three dollars back in the
form of tax dollars and the former let's pull down
on social, services et. Cetera so we can show that
there is a beneficial return for the federal government agent

(02:18:22):
and justice initiatives to repair and redress some of the
clients that they committed against our. Community so that's how
we're presenting, it and we're going to do this at
every department level within the federal.

Speaker 1 (02:18:36):
Government all, right nine away from the, Topic i'm gonna
jump in, here Brother, camp because you mentioned, that And
jason also makes there the international aspects of. Reparations the
ascendency Of Donald trump has had a chilling effect on
the movement here. Stateside but what about, overseas our brothers
and sisters who are seeking. Reparations is this impacted them at?

Speaker 18 (02:18:55):
All you?

Speaker 4 (02:18:57):
Know the the over these, uh the the uh international bunch. OVERSEAS.
Uh we The, caribbean you, know are not moved By Donald.
Trump you, know they're they're you, know looking at.

Speaker 14 (02:19:13):
It you, know they're they're.

Speaker 4 (02:19:16):
Struggles against most of These european, states the same way
With south And Central. America, uh either the colonial state
that within that they're, in or they're also looking At
european states on the content Of. Africa they kind of
excluding The american struggle. Altogether so you, know we're fighting

(02:19:37):
to be you, know with the continent to, say, man you,
know we've led this. Struggle you, know you just got
it into this struggle and we led this. Struggle just
kind of exclude. Us and so In europe also the
same thing that they're focus is more against The european,
governments our brothers and sisters in The european governments in
which they, live and so it's. More but we also

(02:19:58):
utilize and again we're all trying to do these saying
international standards and models to move our redress.

Speaker 8 (02:20:05):
Forward so there's some, unity.

Speaker 4 (02:20:08):
Uh and there's also some disunity within the international movement
when it comes to. Reparations but not a lot of
them are looking At trump around the. Reparations they're looking
round them. Around you, know some other issues africaim and you,
know the continued or recolonization Of, africa especially in The,

(02:20:29):
congo et. Cetera but not so much on the reparations.

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
Front, yeah let me jum me, here shamming away from
the top, day brother can because some people say That
african brothers and sisters they shouldn't deserve, reparations not because
of the brain, dream which obviously it, was but because
some of them sold some of us into. Slavery how
do you respond to, That, well.

Speaker 4 (02:20:50):
There is a, history there's there's documented history that there's
a few groups. Kingdoms you, KNOW i think that you,
KNOW i had many many men in the. Kingdoms when
you look at The transatlanta slave, trade.

Speaker 7 (02:21:05):
There Were.

Speaker 4 (02:21:09):
European states Like portugal initially who had superior weaponry and
they they defeated These african. Rulers and part of that
the defeat was a tariff or a penalty of enslaved
Enslaved africans that they had to deliver them a number
Of africans on an annual basis as tribute in order

(02:21:32):
for them not to wipe out their you, know continue
to you, know destroy and kill their their. Citizens and
so you had a system of force warfare among you,
know neighboring. Ethnicities and you, Know africa had thousands and
thousands of different, ethnicities and there was not An african

(02:21:53):
Pan african consciousness and An african identity at the. Time
that came much, later mostly weekcause of what we were
doing In america help generate This Pan african, spirit This
Pan african, identity and you didn't have that at that.
Time so you had, dominated uh defeated kingdom who were
forced by at gunpoint and you, know you, know being

(02:22:16):
forced at, gunpoint you know what that actually. Means it
means you need to do it and you, die and
many of them. Died but you also had a tremendous
amount of resistance to the tribes of unting spaces trade as.
Well and so there's one kingdom and again in particularly
The kingdom Of anime that over three hundred years Applied
africans to The. West and you, know they're noticed for

(02:22:41):
their name, bronzes the sculptures that were billions of dollars
today on the market that was stolen from them during
The british. Occupation but we know that those bronzes was
made out of medals that were changed For, africans so
they stole into. Enslavement so we know that they are
particularly kingdom and we have a reparations claim to, them

(02:23:03):
but that does not deny that it was Even europeans
who even controlled that aspect of the of The transatlantic slave.
Trade and so that does not diminish The european. Culpability in,
fact that even increases it because we see the same
thing happening today where you Have africans being pitted against
Other africans here In. America you, Know MALCOLM x spoke

(02:23:28):
about it when we talked about, that the House african
and the Field, africans you, know those are the things
that happened at a much broader level and a more
deadly level on the continent from which you, know our
ancestors were were sold and brought to this country to
build up an economic empire that we see.

Speaker 1 (02:23:49):
Now all, right we're going up at breaking four minutes
away from the. Top and when we come, back, though
do you think we should broaden the request for reparations
to what happened the war on? Drugs we know they
play drugs in our. Community that's been proven. Before also
the syphilis. Experiment there's probably some other things too that
were just you, know target us as a group of.

(02:24:11):
People shouldn't we put that in the reparations on the
reparations table to probably you get more support because this
isn't like ancient. History this is just like a few
years ago when they did this to us as a.
People should that be part of our reparations. Request i'll
let you respond to that when we get. Back family
YouTube can hit us up right here and speak To
Cam howard at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

(02:24:33):
eight seventy. Six we'll take the phone calls.

Speaker 5 (02:24:35):
Next the most submissive.

Speaker 1 (02:25:00):
And Grand rising. Family thanks for rolling with us on
This wednesday. MORNING i guess is Brother Cam howard From
Reparations united or discussing reparations before we, left, THOUGH i
posed a question to him about reparations because oftentimes when
we think of, reparations we think about the enslaved period
and The transatlantic slavery And Jim. Crow but some of
the things that, happened you, know closer to many of us.

(02:25:20):
Living and we talked about the war on, drugs the
fact that they you, know there's been. Proven Gary webb
wrote about It The Dark. Lines it was the series
how they dropped the drugs Into Sound, Central Los, angeles
and then they Convinced Freeway Ricky, ross and he was,
like he thought it was for him if you did
crack because Of Ricky, ross because they convinced him to

(02:25:40):
sell crack to all across the. Country he's set up
franchises and they Used. Ricky he's been out here several
times Because ricky was functionally. Literate but that's part of
the problem, too because we're still feeling suffering from the
residuals of the crack cocaine. Era also The syphilist era,
too when they did experiments on, Us So Brother cam
and there might be some other ones that, was you,
know significant to us as a people in this. Country

(02:26:02):
shouldn't that be part of the reparations that struggles as
well as the Request.

Speaker 4 (02:26:08):
Most, definitely most DEFINITELY i choose the cause the war
on ug, drugs the war with, Drugs and it wasn't
just the crack. Period it was the heroine. Period thirty
years before twenty, yeah thirty years before, that the government.

Speaker 12 (02:26:22):
Raised the war on our communities with.

Speaker 4 (02:26:24):
Heroin to put down The black revolutionary, struggle and then
they raised the war on our communities with cracked in
order to find an illegal war. Nicolaugulas so this was
a war on our, community not you, know it was
a war on our communities with, drugs not a war
on Drug but so you know The department that is

(02:26:45):
a huge part and in that and so we can
again specifically redefinitionis for the justice for the fans they
committed with the politicians drudged policy in this country that our.
Communities but the, experiment we can target the department services

(02:27:09):
and some of the. Trauma and though there was reparations
for the stiflictions, experiment we know that that experiment has
led to black men being extremely fearful of the health
services in this. Country was led to us being detected
later for. Illnesses so we we even though that happened

(02:27:33):
at that particular, time we're still impacted by. It so
the fact that we're that declines were committed by these.
Departments all Of american policy was criminal policies was delivered
through a particular the department and those departments where we
are focusing these single issues where there's an issue as

(02:27:54):
a result of matter in conserration was an issue resulting
from black fear meant of healthcare or women uh, uh maternity,
rate not maternity but uh uh infimortality or race or
anything like. That we can focus these single issues because

(02:28:16):
we can show the continued impact of these crimes that
were committed at these department, levels and so it's. Unlimited,
really what we can do is that that we have
to really put together a network in order to make this,
happen and that's why we started The Fellow Redress Advancement.

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
Network got you for after the top of the, Hour
cam Brother abdulla is checking in From maryland has a
question on an idea for your grand. Rising brother abdul
you're you're on With Cam.

Speaker 14 (02:28:43):
Howard thank, You thank, You Grand. RISING i appreciate your, Brother.
Cam thank you so much for committing so much of
your time and and and uh and efforts and resources
and knowledge to this. Issue i've been somewhat like trying
to collect, reparation that, is ways in which The United

(02:29:03):
states can do us good or make us hold by
not necessarily just doing the check. Way of, course we
want that kind of conversation. Too one of the things
THAT i came up, with And i'd like to get
your feedback on. IT i, said what if, everybody all
of The African americans actually did THEIR dna analysis to

(02:29:25):
find out exactly which country they're. FROM i did mine
At african ancestry dot. Com i'm From Guinea bassald by the,
way and they came back with one hundred percent degree of. Certainty,
now if we know which country we're, from and, Say
George floyd is proven to be From, ghana the country
Of ghana actually spoke out about. It but when they

(02:29:46):
speak out about what's happening to our people. Here if
the brother who just got shot in the back In,
alabama brother, people if he's from a country where we
know where he's, from then it becomes much more of
an international. Incident then my question IS i think that
if we connect in real, ways tangible ways To, africa

(02:30:11):
then the Song it's a song that was written By Ben,
brocco which speaks about the connection Between africans And African,
americans and the chorus of the song says that there
will be no more shackles when together we FIND i
fight for your freedom.

Speaker 12 (02:30:28):
And you fight from.

Speaker 21 (02:30:30):
Mine and in this way we would be united and
we could speak speak out about the country that we're
from with with a vested interest and they could speak
out about us with proven and a vested. Interest what
do you think of?

Speaker 1 (02:30:43):
That all?

Speaker 10 (02:30:44):
Right you know?

Speaker 4 (02:30:46):
Important first of, all, brother we are ancestral brothers because
MY dna also is From Guinea. Bissau so you, KNOW
i had opportunity to go over there a few years.
Ago uh so uh happy to meet, you, Brother, yes
so you know part of our. Redress you, know one

(02:31:07):
of the COMPONENTS i stated was, satisfaction which is an
international component of. Redress so satisfaction in the return of our.
Dignity part of you, know a repairtive initiative is that
all of us are given A dna test if we,
wanted and paid for by the government to determine exactly

(02:31:27):
where we're. FROM i think that's important because you, know
the enslavement robbed us of our knowledge of our, ancestry
of our ethnic identity and, ancestry and so it's part of.
Satisfaction AND i think the more, nations the more groups
here In america who know their ethnicity can collectively find

(02:31:49):
bond and then bring in The african nations to help
speak to the too to that uh to their condition
issues here In. America but we want to be careful
that we're not reversing the tribalism or the ethnic uh
uh this unity that you know got us to this
point by doing. So we are an ethnicity created here

(02:32:14):
in this. Country and you, know it's good to know
where we came, from but also know we are one
here uh that was created here In. America Uh so
those are the. Challenges BUT i think that you, know
when it comes again at The, saal so you, know
it's a very it's one of the poorest and not
the poorest nation on the. Continent so you, know with

(02:32:35):
us getting assistance from Getting, DASSAU i think it'll be you,
know not something forthcoming any time. Soon they need our,
assistance but you, know more THAN i think they can assist.
Us but the idea is certainly a positive, idea one
that we should.

Speaker 15 (02:32:53):
Explore all, RIGHT i.

Speaker 1 (02:32:55):
Say to all of what you just, Said Brother camra
got chair And fred on. Deck moment we get to a,
moment tell but before we let you, go how can
folks keep up with you if they want to know
more about reparations because you're in the forefront of the.
Struggle how do they reach? You you got to email
addresses sure.

Speaker 4 (02:33:10):
You can email me At cam At Reparations united dot.
Org Cam kamm At reparations with An adunited dot org
want you to join Our Federal Redress Advancement network we
have in our first Meeting september. Twelfth, again if you
send me an, EMAIL i can send you a form
where you can fill out and you'll get information as

(02:33:34):
well as be invited to those. Meetings we have an
opportunity but redress at the federal. Level we're not going
to give up Because trump is in office and Trump
ism is going to be the rule Of america for a.
While we do not give up on federal. Redress we
have to adapt as our ancestors, adapted and improvisers our
ancestors they've, improvised and take advantage of the facts that

(02:33:56):
exists and we can.

Speaker 1 (02:33:59):
Move this is for all, Right Thanks, Camp thanks for the, Workers,
jim and thanks for not giving up on the idea
of reparations as.

Speaker 4 (02:34:06):
Well for, Sure thank, You. Carl it's always. Better you,
know we need you to continue to raise this issue
and thank you for allowing me to be a voice
as you do.

Speaker 13 (02:34:16):
That all.

Speaker 1 (02:34:17):
Right That's Cam howard family For Reparations. United those you
can google him and find out what it's all. About
if you can't get the, information you can join with
the fight for reparations because we deserve reparations and we
GET i think we're gonna get. REPARATIONS i THINK i
just need some more, convention need some more folks join the.
Fight eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seven
six ten after the top of the App Grind Rising, Chairman,

(02:34:38):
fred welcome back to the. Program great rays my.

Speaker 12 (02:34:42):
Brother good to be. Back good to be black with.

Speaker 1 (02:34:44):
You the, Chairman. Fred the streets Of, chicago that's with your,
office that's where you. Operate Donald trump is basically saying
you're you're not on the, job so he's gonna send.
In he's starting to sending federal troops to the streets Of.
Chicago yours.

Speaker 4 (02:34:59):
Response you, know even if historically crime crime like emotional
tug word that, partidas they use it out with the black, COMMUNITY,
uh justify more on another the larger presidence of an,

(02:35:20):
occupying occupying, army AND I i think it WAS i
hate to quote this, criminal BUT i don't Call Thomas
jefferson things, That, uh you those who would give up
their freedom and interest and those who give up their
freedom and the interests of security desire deserve, neither you.
Know so uh that you, know just even again it

(02:35:41):
terms throughout you, know crime is running rapids and so.

Speaker 8 (02:35:44):
Forth you look throughout. History that's that's that's been like
a strategic move justified no more law enforce not you,
know even EVEN i was just coming at the time
period you see a lot of correlations even with The
nixon administration and the fact that that was his that
was his post a child campaign campaign for law and,
ORDER i believe it. Was and uh even here In

(02:36:06):
chicago Forming Cook Country State's attorney ever be hang your,
hand you know that that was that was a major
preface that justified you, know, uh you, know coming through,
massive massive mass of, conservation knocking people, up and also
you know Even Squent gills saying player role subsequent, assassinations.

Speaker 12 (02:36:26):
Wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:36:27):
Gangs so like, THAT i told you those are trigger
words again to justify you, know the president more law.

Speaker 1 (02:36:33):
Enforcement SO i got to ask you this, though what
kind of response do you? Think how how what the
reaction Because i've heard, that you, know some sisters In
chicago requested That Donald trump come to to The windy,
city and he's he's just he's just fulfilling a. Request if,
one is there any truth to? That and, two what
do you think the response is going to be when
if and when there's these troops show up on your?

Speaker 12 (02:36:54):
Streets you, know you, know you know these are these
ARE i said?

Speaker 4 (02:37:00):
Before?

Speaker 8 (02:37:01):
Uh these these a reaction every, time you, Know so
it's hard to, pinpoint you, know except response you have
again the reaction every. Time so IT'S i, mean IT'S
i tell you you have you have to build a political.
Pivot you know What i'm, saying what's, happening and you
know we're to reaction to. Administration so it's and it's

(02:37:23):
it's it's.

Speaker 12 (02:37:23):
Terrible it's, terrible but it's fine because.

Speaker 4 (02:37:25):
It's some of the good point is it's a more
of a bladant up front uh less machabelion where you
know What i'm, saying you, know even you know in
terms like you, know The president Of National, guards so
on and so, forth and you see you see the
climate where you, know whether it BE i Think baltimore To,
cargo the places.

Speaker 8 (02:37:42):
Is talking, about you, know give me some of the
crimes assists and how to you, know crime is brought
down so on and so. Forth it but you, see
you know it's it's good because it's disappeared when the
emport has no clothes where they you, KNOW i mean
they blatantly come out to, listen listen to a, gender
you know What i'm, saying regardless of you, know what's
going on in the, community this agenda and and sometimes

(02:38:04):
you know that that diamond come abut of. Cold well
you know these, uh different periods where you know, people
you know, people people come to, groups and people get
conscious of people even resist uh, inspiration aspiration or desperation
and so so you see those faces those desperate.

Speaker 1 (02:38:21):
Times, yeah but was there any truth to that or
was he just talking about or is this an organized
group of black women In chicago who say that that
that the troops are needed in the city because the
crime is out of? Control or was it one? Person
how do you? See, well what can you tell?

Speaker 8 (02:38:39):
Us, no it's a it's some you know's there's there's different,
sentiments you know What i'm. Saying, again it's, uh it's different.
SENTIMENTS i think.

Speaker 12 (02:38:47):
The elect to our political, PEOPLE i think it's the only.
ONE i think one one all of them WOULD i
think it was this this uh rat Low pass.

Speaker 8 (02:38:54):
Who WAS i, mean he's super, reactions super reactions and super,
racist all of.

Speaker 12 (02:38:58):
Them and low.

Speaker 8 (02:38:58):
PAIRS i think he go for. Support but, Again, uh
but in our, community the black communities in, Particular i'm
humble to say. This you, know it's it's it's, stabilized.
Destabilized it's a submission of different you, know different, sentiments you,
know and some and sometimes not just the black, community
just people.

Speaker 12 (02:39:19):
Are telling you you you have you, know emotional reactionary.

Speaker 8 (02:39:21):
Sentiments you know What i'm saying. That, Uh And i'm saying.
This this systumen Is.

Speaker 4 (02:39:26):
I'm not this about Just trump in. Particular this symtem
in general is. STRATEGIC i mean tapping to the emotion
of the.

Speaker 12 (02:39:32):
People you CAN i mean.

Speaker 8 (02:39:34):
Not just not just In, chicago you, know and something
like you can look through abroad for you, know it's,
uh campaigns such AS's going to our rock for weapons
of mass, destruction you know What i'm. Saying and the
imperialists and sells itself so.

Speaker 12 (02:39:47):
Good you know What i'm.

Speaker 4 (02:39:47):
Saying it's it's it has the, ability uh has them
in their form of, democracy The. Americans the form of
democracy is letting others.

Speaker 12 (02:39:57):
Have their will, again letting others have their.

Speaker 4 (02:39:59):
Will they got to.

Speaker 8 (02:40:00):
Set the stage where you, can you, know you decide
to demand that we, know we want MORE covid, cola
we demand more cameras in our, community we demand more.
Police so that's not surprised, THAT i, mean that's that's
this you're talking about THE us of, perialism you, know,
uh human in, abroad the ability to sell, it that's a.

Speaker 1 (02:40:19):
Surprise are you concerned, though that their their presence may
may cause some provoccation with with some of our young,
people because you, know some of the people, somebody especially our,
youngsters who probably don't listen to us and don't have that,
restraint and they may be a trigger to react to
some of these, uh these uniformed officers on the on
the streets walking down their streets in their neighborhoods and

(02:40:41):
may and make costs or you, know it could be
a false, flag or it could be somebody who sent
there to cast something and then it will spiral out of.
CONTROL i want to won't you to respond to that
when we get, back FOR i hear the music, playing
tell us we got to step. Aside but sixteen half
the top of our family with chairm And Fred, hampton
you got to question about the troops In. Chicago, Also
Chairman fress want to share with us, too there's a
big event taking place for his dad this. Weekend he's

(02:41:03):
going to. Shore all about all the information about that
with us as. Well so if you want to speak
To Chairman, fred reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy. Six we'll
take a phone calls.

Speaker 9 (02:41:12):

Speaker 1 (02:41:38):
And Grand rising. Family thanks for staying with us On
wednesday morning along and thanks for starting your day with.
US a shout out again to all the post office
folks who work you know listening to. Us thank. You
got a call from one of them just checking. In thank,
you thank, you thank. You In, WASHINGTON. Dc, anyway twenty
minutes after the top that we Were Chairman fred And
Chairman Fred. Hampton you know If Chairman fred he works

(02:41:58):
on the streets Of, Chicago Donald trump is that into
troops on the states Of. Chicago and my question to,
You Ben, chairman are you concerned that maybe somebody young
people may get provoked or reacting a way that they
that these some of these troops want them to do,
it and and then you, know everything just goes crazy after.
That is that a concern of?

Speaker 8 (02:42:18):
Yours you, know of course a concern young, people were.

Speaker 12 (02:42:24):
People in, general you, know on a day to day,
basis you, know was you, know that's that you know
what we're being we're being.

Speaker 4 (02:42:30):
Colonized but, AGAIN i, mean of COURSE i hear your
question in, particular but also in but with, that keep
it too. Account one thing is also in many cases
with this system to, us it has our people engaging
out of. Subjectivity in other, words you, know you don't
see situations like localize like you, know this is happened In. Chicago.

(02:42:54):
One in cases like cases such as, this you have you,
know you've seen your cargo been put on the world
stage in context with other places Like baltimore so, on
and so you start drawing coalitions like even people talking
about you, know the commonality about you know that these
different cities and locations out you, know black electrificians and as.
Mayors but that that's un necessarily dynamic in people, know,

(02:43:17):
say making connections and even to see who they beginning
more clarity of who they are because Again in many
cases when you just see situation with whether it be
local police or whatever the.

Speaker 12 (02:43:26):
Case may, be this it's kind of something like in the,
prisoners they will.

Speaker 4 (02:43:29):
Have you confined to you have your mentality confined.

Speaker 12 (02:43:33):
To your sale.

Speaker 4 (02:43:33):
Block, well this is just having a sale block be
so on and so, forth as opposed to a climate
and a location appear like in the safeties where you've
seen again references mixing the police YOU i, mean UH
Eeri kennedy where he deployed. Troops you know What i'm,
saying uh Tout detroit and the south Side, CHICAGO us
the ending and even how you enough even value those.

Speaker 8 (02:43:55):
SALES i would see on many occasions many of us
want to, believe to believe that we even were of being,
assassinated that we have political, prisoners even putting certain, Again
i'm NOT i want to say, THIS i want a
new preface me say. This i'm not a massa. Here
i'm not looking you, know some looking. Forges but a
lot of these contradictions be happening. Already but you know

(02:44:15):
What i'm, Saying but it's just that political hit to.
It it pumps to ending so even lots so in
some case you get you can struggle with young people
are particular to even value their life different to how
you move You you're very, clear ain't, no there ain't no. Wrong,
drugs the, wall guns in a, wall, gang it's wall on.

Speaker 15 (02:44:32):
Us it's wrong hu.

Speaker 8 (02:44:33):
As the people and because you see who are we
and they're putting in struggle to put it in correct political.
Context cut the, cut the theft from the. Meat you
know What i'm, saying that the shatter all the facade
about you know, What uh this is about crime or,
gang so and so. Forth you seeing even people from different,
classes uh acknowledge the talking about the different out of

(02:44:54):
the class stats are going, down so on and so,
forth and say wait a, minute what's really going on?
Here and a uh with with that, matter act all this.
Knowledge they, say the first step is an addressing the.
Problems recognize we have a. Problem there's many CASES i
view our young people.

Speaker 4 (02:45:08):
Have you, know walkthrough that have been with their guards.
Down you know What i'm, saying be dumb found to
believe that you know that.

Speaker 8 (02:45:16):
That's sold The american. Dream you know What i'm. Saying they, Say,
okay IF i do, this out my rights so on
and so, forth to be up the really we, say
wait a, minute that's what's really. Good, this this's be
clear what's happening.

Speaker 12 (02:45:26):
Here so then let me tight let me tighten.

Speaker 15 (02:45:28):
Up let me be very.

Speaker 8 (02:45:29):
Clear you know What i'm, saying there's, This this is
a political. Person it's a real reason and have a
different type of. Discussion why are certain people locked?

Speaker 5 (02:45:35):
Up you?

Speaker 12 (02:45:36):
Know so why don't we have you? Know, uh the
cases are not only right.

Speaker 8 (02:45:40):
To cargo to the case of mister there who was
in jailed for but the broad near horizons the cases
is What i'm saying that the discussion about.

Speaker 12 (02:45:45):
When we are with jamal where else is? This where
else they talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:45:48):
This? Uh this is happening that and even look back
to Transcend, uh not only geographical lines but generational.

Speaker 12 (02:45:55):
Lines when was what happened With National?

Speaker 4 (02:45:57):
Guard people were discussing now The Democratic convention nineteen sixty,
eight When May daily had gained orders to The National,
guard and say maybe when when the up rides who
have uh In, Chicago Red.

Speaker 12 (02:46:08):
Daily singing the said shoot to kill all, Riders, uh
shoot the name all all.

Speaker 8 (02:46:12):
Looters so these are the type of the. Opposed that's
the subjective lot of your people that have no concept
about you, Know i'm, saying uh uh with that channel
occupying army. Meanings you know What i'm, saying you have you're.

Speaker 4 (02:46:23):
Too about the. Generation they when they get the word,
draft they think they're talking about the end THE nba.
Draft there's opposed to the climate in the sixty where
man it, was it was a common discussion about a
go to go to go go go fight the. War
you know What i'm, saying go Go, vietnam so on
and so, forth or go to.

Speaker 12 (02:46:38):
Jail so not to be able court those type of.

Speaker 8 (02:46:40):
Discussions if you use a different sort of young.

Speaker 1 (02:46:43):
PEOPLE i got twenty five at the top Of, chairman
there's gonna be an event this weekend for your, dad
Uh Chairman Fred Hampton, Senior can you tell us about?

Speaker 8 (02:46:52):
That, yes, yes indeed we're coming up on an over
be this what would be the seven seven Birthday Chairman Fred.
Jemmi fred happened not even not been assassinated along With
Defense Captain Mark clark be some of the fourth nineteen sixty,
nine and we're going to do we have a basic ten.
Player we always have two major dates with. Us Our

(02:47:14):
august thirtieth birthday and be some of the Fourth International
Revolutionary day again dated timing Freend defense Enter Marrow clark were.
Assassinated we, uh the basic tem plane is we, go
we go to refer to his ground. Zero and we've
been saying that we missed because we, say you, Know african,
people we here the ov the original bigness of terrorism
and what happened to simpler fourth was the day two

(02:47:35):
rout Twin towers quote unquote failed H this day was his.
Birthday we're going right. There we had the Clinch fish
visual at twelve o'clock.

Speaker 12 (02:47:43):
High noon and also those who are locked them prisons.

Speaker 8 (02:47:47):
Whatever they simultaneous at the same time wherever they locked,
up they had a Clinch fish visit twelve. O'clock we
justtoric there have people coming from all the. World we
got some heavy hitters coming in and we Got Mama
Pam africa from. Moved we got a zena conway from
back had the party that it was The Black party
from throughout the country song coming in from outside the
country coming.

Speaker 12 (02:48:05):
In we Got Jacob, blake, uh the Uncle austin Von.

Speaker 4 (02:48:10):
Or we got uh so many people coming in and
also the thing for this year because we all tried
to do a different. Thing what's happening when the. Community
last year's theme was The People's. Convention, uh this year's
theme is gonna be foot murking for chairman forread Foot
american is like a. Phenomenon it's not not like it
was a phenomenon with the young people that speaking of
the young, people young people in, particular and it's you,

(02:48:32):
know it's political like everything. Else you, know it's connected
as a, history connected to or referred to as the,
junkie but it's also intrinsic and chied into our struggles
because a lot of times our people are told you
to divorce, music to divorce, dance divorce. Food, uh you,
know from our people for our, struggle you know What i'm.
Saying so we're gonna.

Speaker 12 (02:48:52):
Defind we're gonna take that.

Speaker 4 (02:48:53):
Phenomenon you live. It so we're gonna be at twelve
o'clock lown zero and it and already this climate you
can smit it's you can you can smell the more.
Tensified we always go through extra attacks around these, days
all this thirty with sil forth from, fact you, KNOW
i bunk it. Down we getting ready for more Postice,
president the falls getting cut, off and they don't, say,
uh were trying to were trying to scrabble for resources

(02:49:15):
the last.

Speaker 12 (02:49:16):
Minute you know What i'm.

Speaker 4 (02:49:16):
Saying he always gets, intense but it's it's a different
political smell. Stenched even with this, one the con tail post,
account it is extra intense at this Time i'm talking.
ABOUT I i can look back to historically at different
times when they you know that they'll come through the
state and then you, know said they're they're they're doing
malcomans talking about The martoe And washington when they can't stop,
it cut off the water, down they so they start

(02:49:38):
creating contending. Events and so that's happening right, now you,
KNOW i, mean it's so it's a it's it's it's
it's a it's a it's held of a it's it's
it's held of a, time held of a. Climate but
you can you can smell an extra uh stench there's
going there's even the climate right. Here but also you
can smell a different mindset of the people to these
acknowledge it because again so we so we we talked

(02:49:58):
to believe you, know so, well it's just.

Speaker 8 (02:49:59):
Coincidence the other communities can Sit wait a, Minute, no
this is counting. Surgency this is This these are probablyganda
ball certain at least acknowledgement so that you see that
happening right, now which this coming allgust thirty and then
we want to put on throw this in there. Too
whatever people support you know What i'm. Saying we got
give we guess hevery it's coming. In we're still working on, housing.

Speaker 4 (02:50:18):
Transportation you name. It we can go to cash shop
dollars Sign safety half of the, house or go to
The Saving half of The house dot. Org you hit
the adnaty.

Speaker 12 (02:50:28):
Button also on thirty.

Speaker 8 (02:50:29):
First the following, day we will be At, Maywod illinois
With chairman for it grew up at and we'll be
having a free. Breakfast and now The chairman for it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:36):
Happening all, right we're gonna give out of that information
again before you leave at thirty minutes after the top. Half, yeah,
chairman your dad's. Great the last time we taught you
said it was. There it was full of it was
shot up a lot of uh bullet marsh all over
the gard. Is did you one did you ever find
out who was doing?

Speaker 18 (02:50:54):
It was?

Speaker 1 (02:50:54):
It one person was it a group and two if
he made any changes to his. Headstone we lost a, Chairman,
kevin to see if we can get the chairman, back
because this is an important, family which you don't. Know
the last time we, spoke The chairman went to see

(02:51:17):
the grave side of his, Dad Fred Hampton. Sr as he,
mentioned he was gunned down With Mark clark and both of,
them you know panthers At Illinois, chapter The chicago, chapter
The Black. Panthers, well he was buried that it was
just riddle with bullet, holes and we was trying to
figure out was it a group who went there and
shot it? Up what have they done since? Then have

(02:51:38):
they restructed? It if they set up cameras because you,
know when that, happens it's a serious. Problem so hopefully
they'll figure that. Out eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six to? Call do you want
to speak to chairman family to take your calls? Next all, right,

(02:52:03):
chairman you're. Back i'm sorry we sort of lost your
field mama. Here but my question to you was about
your dad's the the the the barrel site where your
dad was the last time you went down, there it
was riddled with bullets and, uh it was all chipped
up and one do you know who shot it? Up
was it a? Group was it some crazy? Person it
was a? Prank what have you done if you restored?

(02:52:24):
It if you set up cameras to cash people who
try to destroy your dad's a resting.

Speaker 4 (02:52:29):
Place we, know even uh as a child or we call,
you you, know going to annual trips going Down we
were down south because he's he's buried In, Hainesville, louisiana
right next the street.

Speaker 8 (02:52:41):
Port and it was you, know it was.

Speaker 4 (02:52:43):
Common it.

Speaker 8 (02:52:43):
Was it was a common, knowledge you know when we
go down south and you, know and you know people you,
know it's like them quote unquote Old southern secrets like you,
know you know people's you, know they would probably won't say.

Speaker 12 (02:52:52):
It out, loud but you, know like knowing the voice
voice and say.

Speaker 4 (02:52:56):
It, yeah it.

Speaker 10 (02:52:57):
Was it.

Speaker 8 (02:52:57):
Was it was, good and it was taking into the
police would come you, know they didn't come through there
and shoot shoot the tombstowing. Up AND i recall even
some years, back you, know some of my relatives telling me, said.

Speaker 4 (02:53:07):
Hey we heard.

Speaker 8 (02:53:08):
You they, said, well you didn't call it until you
just coming down but we got word you see, say because,
man they lined up down, there the police they, say they,
look they, look they know you in. Town y'all coming
down and we you, know we make our annual uh
caravan down, there you, know Every Father's day. Annually.

Speaker 4 (02:53:28):
Uh and they said they come around the law forces
shooting around the similar fourth and kind of in that.
South it's kind of, like you, know it's kind of
LIKE i, said even this time period now like, this
and some people, say you, know they, talk they can't
they talking about the admirable. Way it's like he ain't
no covers to. It it's you, know it's up.

Speaker 8 (02:53:43):
Fun you, know big. Secret what's. Happening, uh we, Go
we're gonna get every positive day we, did we. Do
we have an internal struggle on how to deal with.

Speaker 18 (02:53:52):
IT i.

Speaker 4 (02:53:52):
Want in, Fact Bobby Boby hutton's, Niece Bobby hunton was.
Assassinated it was treasured assassinated that J. C The black
president Of Black Panther. Party here's this position WHERE i
remember she said her her vote was that we had
your actual case.

Speaker 8 (02:54:06):
Case covering over.

Speaker 4 (02:54:07):
It AND i.

Speaker 8 (02:54:08):
STRUGGLED i, said, NO i don't think we should do
the m and teal tactic work the world should. See
so we came to a you, know a mere point
point of. Unity, well we got like a. Casing it's
so it's a it's a bulletproof casing which you can
still see the tombstone and that you, know it's you,
know this is these are discussions that we need to,
have you, know you in front about. It so uh
you can still see the part Mark, senate but we

(02:54:30):
have the case you know over it with with a
quote from Chamber Fred coote from my mother comrade the
coin Uh jerry in, fact with the statement she said
if he was assassinated when she was now much pregnant
with me at the, time and also a quote from.
Myself but it's it's it's it's still. Standing but we
it's they don't make no secret about who who comes
down and shoots it?

Speaker 1 (02:54:49):
Up ARE i try to shut? Up the shoot up
the covering the.

Speaker 4 (02:54:53):
Chairman we haven't hear in the.

Speaker 8 (02:54:55):
World we got some we uh we, uh we got
comrades you know checking. It you know What i'm saying,
consistently we have to get it in the world. Back
and they said that they shouted shouted up since we education.

Speaker 1 (02:55:06):
Over, YEAH i should have some cameras around so so
not obvious cameras and just to see who's doing. It
it's a group of people or it's just some some
it might be some young folks just want to have
fun and you, know uh and shoot them. Up but
my question to you, though when you're traveling down, there
Because Geronimo, PRATT i, mean, OKAY I i.

Speaker 8 (02:55:27):
Something you, KNOW i, said you, know BECAUSE i THINK
i can't give the details On immed. Teals you know
What i'm, saying, uh markers for, him you, know an
attack AND i TILL i look AT i, SAY i
could dismiss certain things to be just the, aberration just
have a walk. Place but at the, consistency you. Know
and sometimes people, say Oh, champe you kind of your
paranoying WHATEVER i, LOOK i look at the history of our.

(02:55:48):
PEOPLE i look AT i mean everything from the sphinx
In africa And. Egypt you, know the strategies of The
napoleon's and make sure they shoot their their nose off their.
Sphinx the history of they're. Facing and sometimes even if
there's not an actual, cause certain effort with a mindset
or political, energy if you if you will to go
do the face.

Speaker 4 (02:56:07):
That you know What i'm.

Speaker 8 (02:56:08):
Saying we look at different of the doing child slavery
and so they w they've done the bodies of people
who were. Resisted SO i was kind of on the
on the side of. It it's a it's a it's
an official. Act and don't get me, wrong the case
they might grant certain individuals who might uh that's you Like,
chicago that's the certain case where you have mercenaries.

Speaker 12 (02:56:31):
Who people don't know what they're.

Speaker 4 (02:56:32):
Doing you.

Speaker 12 (02:56:33):
Know, uh the state.

Speaker 8 (02:56:35):
Employs, them they backed, them they fund, them and they
set the stage where they can be to be the
operator as.

Speaker 4 (02:56:40):
Well throw it in uh inside the.

Speaker 1 (02:56:42):
Discussion, yeah because a QUESTION i was going to ask
You Gronto pratt when he got, out he was, driving,
uh stoped by the station and on his way to
To louisiana and he was driving and one of the
things he mentioned and he didn't mentioned on, there he,
SAYS i don't, KNOW i don't know want these police
officers to know Where i'm, going because he he was
onunder the impression that all the police departments know who

(02:57:04):
he is or know who he was and what he stands.
For between the driving from L a down To. Louisiana
his concern with that there might be some. Issues and
that's What i'm asking. Here uh when you driving down
there and you, said people know that you're, coming isn't
that a concern that some of these rogue officers out
there try to start some.

Speaker 10 (02:57:25):
Stuff oh, no.

Speaker 8 (02:57:27):
They would, say we knew that you. Can they, said
as soon as you cross state, lines the word was.
Out that that's they would. Say you, KNOW i, mean you,
know so of, course you, know we we altered you,
know that's just even outside of you, know going through
getting my day to. Day you, know we took you,
know we all toed. Security we offer you, now we
tried with molds of. Transitation we moved, around but, no

(02:57:49):
they was they were coming that the word get. Out you,
know they may come. Anything we stopping in a particular
restaurant or, whatever you know What i'm, saying or just
stopping the WORD i, mean try to. Work, hey he
got a reality small place also and it was you, know,
itsually BUT i mean that's that's case the big cities,
too you, KNOW i, MEAN i, MEAN i mean BECAUSE
i forgot WHAT i was At North carolina one time

(02:58:11):
and hold that story right.

Speaker 1 (02:58:12):
There, chairman we gotta step aside for a few. Months
we'll come, back we'll pick it up and give us
The North carolina. Story, family you two can join our
discussion With Chairman Fred Hampton. Junior will reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take a phone calls next yea

(02:58:47):
a grand rising. Family thanks for rolling with us this.
Morning it's it was eighteen away from the top of
day With Chairman Fred hampton chem And fred is having
a big event for his dad this. Weekend who's going
to share that information with. Us but before we go
back to, him remind you tomorrow we're going to close
Out Black Black, august but we're not going to close
it out by looking at some of the historical events
that took place In. August we're going to look forward

(02:59:10):
and when we've commissioned several of our top scholars to
join us in this, Journey so make sure you check
you in with. Us Is stann at six am in
the morning right here In baltimore on ten ten W,
lb or if you're in THE dmv ROUND fm ninety
five point nine and am fourteen fifty W. L you're
gonna hear people like that Brother Tony, Browner Grand kreig
is attorney Like Grand, kreig Dtor, uh Doctor Ray. Wimbush

(02:59:34):
i'm trying from the top of. Mya some of the
folks are going to be, here but it's all gonna
be our our top scholars is going to be, here
just a bunch of. Them so just make sure you're
trying chining tomorrowcause they've got a path create a pathway
for what's up for black. Vos what do we do
in the situation we're in right? Now where do we?
Go so they're got to help us navigate. That so
make sure you tune in tomorrow. Morning, Anyway Chairman, fred

(02:59:56):
let's go back to the. Chairman, chairman you would tell
us about particular. Trips AND i know that you and
even when you drive Around Chicago, land the police know
that they know that this Is fred Hamp they know
who you. Are is that give you any some sort
of anxiety to know that you're Being you've been watched
and probably. Tailed but you said that you talked about
a particular time that happened to. You i'll let you
finish that.

Speaker 4 (03:00:16):
Story, YEAH i was.

Speaker 8 (03:00:18):
Speaking in fact WHEN i just Mentioned North. CAROLINA i
JUST i just flashed back on the uh speaking thing like.
That we did myself and uh and want from bed
prayers AND i just come out of prison and we
had a big more position that uh at the local police.
Station and again what happened to a young man was
assaulted or something of the. Police and THEN i was

(03:00:39):
coming back down there and uh the buzz since the contact.

Speaker 4 (03:00:43):
Me, yeah it's a.

Speaker 6 (03:00:43):
Minute.

Speaker 4 (03:00:44):
Uh they they don't high alergy back down. There you,
know in regardless, anxiety you, know JUST i just you,
know to the whole whole type to the position that you,
know the people our best. Security, again the people our best,
security and you know you you you move with that
because you can get don't even get, stuck and just you,
know concerned with. That and if if in particularly in

(03:01:05):
fact want The Champan fresh, speech the Champing fresh singing
and say we know they have our license, places we
know they watching, us we know they want everybody.

Speaker 12 (03:01:12):
In the party in.

Speaker 4 (03:01:13):
Jail but if we spend more time worried about that
and working for the, people he say he's the, man
this man in, essence and since they want so you,
know so we just we, don't you, know don't keep
on doing what we. Do AND i think, back you,
know one of the leadership one of the major major
street organizations that said to me one, time he, said
now you say you see says something.

Speaker 6 (03:01:30):
Wrong with you.

Speaker 8 (03:01:30):
Man you will you willn't adapt for the. People AND
i said something wrong with?

Speaker 12 (03:01:34):
ME i, said you, know.

Speaker 4 (03:01:35):
Catch down for, cars, drugs trips and so on and so.
Forth but let me add this to the my, brother my,
BROTHER i negative mentioned Community Community Ready course basically Open
california on the lease of our Field Martinal. Tour they've
they've been out of. Opening they're doing free gas and
ghost people where you through out the. Country, milwaukee they
gonna Ben we're gonna be At milwaukee twenty the twenty,

(03:01:55):
ninth the day were boor and we just want to
move judicis in The Black nosaia And milwaukee Uh on
Sil Sister, Jazz jasmine and also uh uh Roolding child
For Unity movement gonna be. That then we come right
back to the thirtieth and you, know we go do
a free gas and grocery goodway WITH crc right In
chicago on the thirtieth that morning and thirty person a
mania with AND i forgot the minted two more. Things you,

(03:02:17):
know it's a big it's a it's an annual thing
they do On Saint Patrick's day In chicago where then
they literally turned The Chicago river. GREEN i mean it's
like literally turning. Green it's it's an annual.

Speaker 8 (03:02:28):
Thing we're gonna we kicking up this annual move on
On champel for his birthday that morning on The Chicago,
river the turn Of Chicago River. Black you know What i'm.
Saying so so that if you do, this say that
that at ten o'clock we've In. Chicago where we're gonna.
Do we're gonna be, pushing gonna be pushed in campaign
Every august other turn In Chicago River black and the
follow ups got the minta.

Speaker 4 (03:02:47):
Too uh car.

Speaker 8 (03:02:50):
You you recalls a little all. THINK i know it
was two thousand and four when that was a campaign pushed.
Forward they had a street name in on The Champan,
fred and there was a big hoopla a lot of
times doing back.

Speaker 6 (03:03:00):
And forth on and so.

Speaker 4 (03:03:01):
Forth, well it's set to happen This august, Thirtieth Chairman
Fred street things.

Speaker 12 (03:03:09):
We always we always been.

Speaker 8 (03:03:10):
Calling Chairman fred have to. Wait in, fact most death
uh it came in down with them put the sign.
Up but this ship both the knowledge about the city.
Officials Chairman fred have to wait right there on the.
Rock he independs that Tomorrow clark was assassinated on got.

Speaker 1 (03:03:26):
You fifteen away from a tough. WAY i got some
folks who want to speak with, you a. Chairman let's
start with the line One christian's callers From, Malibu Grand Rising.
Christian you're on With Chairman Fred.

Speaker 18 (03:03:35):
Hampton it's more, ning. Gentlemen Mister, HAMPTON i want you
to really think about. This you're the chosen. One you
have more name recognition In chicago than this camp.

Speaker 6 (03:03:45):
Does In New.

Speaker 18 (03:03:46):
York it's great to talk about you know the. History it's.
Safe but it's time for you to step. Up i'm
thinking you should run for. Mayor they don't like this.
Guy you can beat, him and you can do much
more for the people Of chicago because they will support.
You you can even have your office in the jails
once or twice during the. Week but it's time for

(03:04:09):
you to reach your maximum. Potential you can win the
mayor Of manorial race In. Chicago all you got to
do is. Run and then once you announced she that
you're gonna, Run i'll put some money in your. Campaign
but we can't stand on the sideline and reminisce we
need to move forward as a. People when you think about, that.

Speaker 7 (03:04:29):
Thank.

Speaker 8 (03:04:29):
You recall, brother if you want, letter we want your,
point your letter, point you can't uh don't donate to
the to the to the work we're doing right.

Speaker 12 (03:04:38):
Now we're not on the.

Speaker 8 (03:04:38):
Sidelines but, again respectful to hear, you. Brother, UH i
think what how they say in, church what's your? CALLING
i think my calling is more you know What i'm.
SAYING i, mean it's it's you know What i'm doing
and how we move and it's. Not in, fact we
have some internal troubles for years, ago over a decades,
ago some people that people put the position that you,
KNOW i, said, NO i can't be hell by those you,

(03:05:00):
know those those guidelines and so on and So forthant
that's that's you, know that's that's in fact In. Chicago it's,
Uh Frank sceinati, say In chicago is.

Speaker 4 (03:05:09):
This kind of?

Speaker 8 (03:05:09):
Town he kind of meant. It you know What i'm,
Saying i'm. Talking i'm talking opportunity that the old era
of the daily. Machine BUT i don't think that's my
out that's that's that's not my that's that's not my.
CALLING i think this is my this is my this
is my. Calling you, know my office be in the.

Speaker 4 (03:05:22):
Streets you.

Speaker 8 (03:05:23):
Know you know What i'm, saying to be on. CALL
i hate to say, it twenty four hours a, day
seven days a. Week I'm i'm working on.

Speaker 6 (03:05:28):
That i'm.

Speaker 8 (03:05:28):
TRYING i, SAID i might gotta go to the revolutionary
rehab to try to slow. Down and you, know people are,
moved you know What i'm. Saying but, this this is,
this this IS i think this IS i LIKE i,
said in a metaphysical or spiritual, SENSE i, mean this
is this is my. Calling but don't let that hold
you back with supporting the. Donator but again you go
to cash shop dollar, SIDE i say the halting hours
to go to say the healthon house dot org and
donate and don't let that hold you. Back do they let?

Speaker 4 (03:05:49):
THAT i, mean let me work IF i. CAN i
think this is this is my.

Speaker 8 (03:05:53):
Field this is my.

Speaker 1 (03:05:54):
Field, yeah away from the top out let me show
you is in the current mayor supported of your efforts as, well.

Speaker 8 (03:06:01):
Though again just said this this this this, thirtieth this
is uh the, thirtieth this is the, uh this is
UH i PUT i can't put it in. CONTEXT i
mean with with with regards to street the the streets
SAYING i don't want to, SAY i don't want. TO
i don't want if you get a, pressure and we
said all this is something, big you, know but just

(03:06:22):
even acknowledge. It this is you think like even if
in his Or, chicago like you, know at one, time,
uh the The black And Cook.

Speaker 4 (03:06:30):
COUNTY i don't know how we ways that now numbers that,
now but the black community per, capital the largest populace of.
People and you just like you don't.

Speaker 8 (03:06:39):
Hit names like the change the, job point about refus
pepe champ of prayer and so and so. Forth so
just even acknowledge, it you know What i'm, Saying and
and he he can't. SELF i mean severals upfront acknowledging.
It you know What i'm, saying and these are this
is a touchy, subject you know What i'm saying in
regards to you, know not just champing free the black

(03:07:01):
pending party or black. People do you know What i'm
saying it's it's been, done it's been acknowledging a reactionary,
way and this is uh AND i was even, again
let me say, this the electoral politics really ain't my
feeld ain't my. Niche but just even this great time
of the craft stats AND i was having a discussion,
YESTERDAY i, SAY i, say just even certain seeing certain
images of your. People you have some black, people you

(03:07:23):
know What i'm, saying whether it be you, know In, Baltimore, chicago, whatever,
again electoral politics in my in my, custogy but it
impacts on how you view each other. Also but, yes
it's uh like to ask your. Question in addition to
this is toe of the number of different, events WHO i,
know not only several past elected officials you know What i'm,

(03:07:44):
saying uh have been fearful just even saying the Name Chairman.
Fred that's not Been that's not been the. Case Uh
Uh Mayor?

Speaker 1 (03:07:51):
Johnson all, right ten away from the, top ask some
more folks want to talk to. You marvin's calling From,
Baltimore Marvin Grand. Rising you're on With Chairman fred M, Hey.

Speaker 4 (03:08:02):
Mister trammon, crad how you doing this?

Speaker 12 (03:08:03):
Morning?

Speaker 18 (03:08:05):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:08:05):
Will and you brother all. Right, LOOK i won't say
this to. You. Man you're a good man and you
got a lot of ambition with, you, man and you're
already doing what you know what you can. Do And
i'm gonna, say, mister Mister, PREDD i, mean, man look
look at.

Speaker 13 (03:08:19):
It look at it this.

Speaker 4 (03:08:20):
Way why don't you take the help and then help
let him help you get things under? Control you know
WHAT i, Mean and you can be full full uh
control of.

Speaker 7 (03:08:29):
Things you know WHAT i.

Speaker 4 (03:08:30):
MEAN i mean because you one man In chicago probably
trying to get, everybody help. Everybody you know What i'm.
Saying it's a little too much for, you, man you,
know to Help dad take?

Speaker 6 (03:08:39):
It you.

Speaker 4 (03:08:40):
Know that's the WAY i look at. It, man it
will it WILL i take? IT i take it to
be all, RIGHT i really do so think about, that Mister.
Prad that's All i'm. Saying think about. It thank, you.

Speaker 8 (03:08:50):
BROTHER i think you could have called about even. Clarity all, Right,
okay see.

Speaker 10 (03:08:56):
Y'all all, right.

Speaker 1 (03:09:00):
You signing the pressure that people are trying to help,
you and you've been turning down the support and back.

Speaker 7 (03:09:06):
Up we'll.

Speaker 8 (03:09:07):
Support let, me let me let me who've been trying
to Support i've been turning them.

Speaker 1 (03:09:11):
Down this is WHAT i gathered from what he was
trying to, say because he was saying, that you, know,
no NO i.

Speaker 4 (03:09:20):
DON'T i don't.

Speaker 8 (03:09:21):
Know let well to support. THAT a lot of, people
a lot of, people a lot of people, talking a
lot of we gonna come that even right right down
as we, speak a lot of people, say OH i got.

Speaker 4 (03:09:31):
You They it's kind of like they say In. HOLLYWOOD
i people, say how your people call my?

Speaker 12 (03:09:35):
People they don't really mean.

Speaker 4 (03:09:36):
That i'm gonna.

Speaker 8 (03:09:37):
Last i'm gonna say. THIS i recognize Though i'm like the.
Last we like the, last we like the last called.
Alcohol we are the last call of alcohol. People certain
conditions have to be present for people to get down with.
Us people try every day and there say oh, Yeah
i'm go'na support this and, that you, know and you
will see them there go they're go donate to this.
Donation certain conditions have to be. Present you know What i'm.

Speaker 4 (03:09:58):
Saying they can look they can look at.

Speaker 8 (03:09:59):
Me you know he's serious about this.

Speaker 7 (03:10:01):
Here and IT'S.

Speaker 8 (03:10:03):
Honesto the system is going to help a job implement
the fear. Factors don't touch, me don't support.

Speaker 4 (03:10:08):
Us you know What i'm.

Speaker 8 (03:10:09):
SAYING i know, that but certain conditions have and this
is not nothing just in present day. Speaking if you
look back, historically you, know and the people want to,
support they. Don't they don't be seeing me in, public
whatever the case. Be on the opening man, again they
can they can walk past, it you, know shake my.
Hand you, KNOW i, said we need to support right,
now we need Some we trying to get some housing

(03:10:30):
for people who.

Speaker 4 (03:10:31):
Got coming in. Town you know What i'm, saying how
to put the word out. There i'm gonna say it's.
Slow sometimes they say, channel you be so, passionate you
be talking so. Fast, Okay i'm gonna stay it, slow
cash app dollar, size save the, health the, house have
to the, ouse save the heathen, ouse dot org and
go to the. Donate BUT i wanna say it's, Slow but,
NO i don't want to get that pressure that we
even we at. Different you, know vision is a. Viewpoint

(03:10:54):
you know What i'm, Saying cause you Know i'm saying.
Whatever if you, say WELL i, CAN'T i mean do.
THIS i Think I'm i'm gonna we can find a.
Way he, said, well, LISTEN i can come, here we
can we can do this to construction work at that
happened hours we can do, saying whatever the case may,
be talk to, her let us know we can figure
everybody ain't got No listen To chamber Of prayers speech
very Clearly Tamlor prayers. Singer he didn't say everyone had

(03:11:15):
to be a. Revolutionary he said everyone should be able
to commit a revolutionary. Act SO i want to be very.
Clear that's a it's such a misnomer and a bogus
narrative put out about people like. Me you know What's
oh you're talking, here gonna try to make you throwing
a leather jacket because, no, no, no that's not the.
Case so if you got this fear FACT i meet.
People it was A i'm gonna say. This it was

(03:11:37):
a professional football. PLAYER i met this.

Speaker 8 (03:11:39):
Man it was about three four months. Ago i'm talking
to his.

Speaker 6 (03:11:42):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (03:11:43):
Man we said about an, hour great, conversation great. Conversation
before we. Leave his sister she, cut she cuts in
and she cuts this. Boat she, said don't don't take no.
Pe he, SAID i want to take a picture of the. Chairman, no, no,
NO i, said well what's going?

Speaker 10 (03:11:57):
On she told, me, no you can't do.

Speaker 4 (03:11:59):
You'll do that and she had to talk about to,
start she, said without the black panther, PARK i even,
HEAR i have never heard white people, SAY i, said
where you get this? Madness?

Speaker 8 (03:12:06):
Wrong it was She oh, NO i heard that. Back
and since they were doing this and blah, blah she
didn't know WHO i. Was she didn't know a console
of the black and the. Park it's so much misinformation
about black.

Speaker 4 (03:12:16):
Man it's. Ridiculous it's.

Speaker 1 (03:12:18):
Ridiculous, wow, WOW i sorry to hear that. Story but
let me ask you, this, though the, chairman are you
concerned that people are trying to get close to? You
maybe agents you've. Got you went through the whole, Thing
judas and The Black, massine you show what they did
to your. Dad does that concern you when people, are you,
know pushing up on you like?

Speaker 4 (03:12:36):
That?

Speaker 8 (03:12:36):
Yes it.

Speaker 4 (03:12:37):
Is.

Speaker 8 (03:12:37):
Yeah in, fact even THOUGH i tell people doing the
filming That juice The Black, masiine we just gonna through
some intense COUNT i MEAN i recalled it was it
was some sating today that the scenes were being. Shot
we were going through it, exactly and when we were
deprived of that time what that time period is of
acknowledgment of you, know terms like you, know quante pro

(03:12:58):
Agent baca tools that, is it wasn't there, Though AND
i Just i'm gonna say, THIS i just want you,
KNOW i, said you, know THE us government tried to
get different street organizations to take our chairman for D
they tried different tempts he. Was they were able to heighten,
him heighten, it to bring the pus out of the,
sword heighten the contradictions where it was clear that was.
Assassination but they you asked me this. Before in, fact

(03:13:22):
some years back or year, BACK i remember you asked
me about you, know trusting.

Speaker 4 (03:13:28):
People so on and so.

Speaker 8 (03:13:28):
Forth it impacts. YOU i mean the you, know there
have been people that sent that me and who are
being sent that you name. IT i mean some who
even some who know what they're, doing some. Don't Champing,
prasers one of the Peaces Champing press, said some of these,
cats it's. Crazy some of them age On barka. Tours
by the TIME i figure out which one of, Is
i've been penetentiar of the. Graveyard and so it's you,
know you gotta being a political, pivot which at the

(03:13:50):
same time you can't be in a. Bubble you have
to deal with certain. PEOPLE i see people some, TAPICS i, say,
DAMN i look back in my. LIFE i say that
person really did not, know did not.

Speaker 4 (03:13:57):
Mean any, harm but they were. Harmful they were.

Speaker 8 (03:14:00):
Humful you know What i'm. Saying and you KNOW i,
said that's that's straight up Agent mibauka tool. Activity and
there are cases where, PEOPLE i mean you can directly
and see if you're saying man on a mission and they,
this this this system.

Speaker 4 (03:14:13):
Is professional at explored in complexes and. Contradictions you. Know
they it's a guy that worked for THE, CI i
you wants To he didn't know you work for THE.
Cia they showed him his paperwork in jail In, Miami.
Florida they showed, you, said you've been working for us
this many. Years they a woman approached him and, said.

Speaker 8 (03:14:28):
Well you speak better than Ever. Steve why aren't you the?
Spokesperson and he worked his ego and.

Speaker 4 (03:14:33):
They showed him that how long he had been working for.
Them he didn't even know.

Speaker 1 (03:14:37):
It, wow chairman, friend look just about out of? Time
how can folks reach you will quick if they want
to help? You your?

Speaker 8 (03:14:45):
Efforts yes, indeed, yes indeed were On.

Speaker 4 (03:14:50):
Instagram Chairman fred's Freech Party Official Chairman Fred hampton Uh
junior On, Instagram uh say The Hampton house dot or
hit the donate, button cash app, dollar save the hapthing
else Email Chairman fred speak At.

Speaker 8 (03:15:05):
Gmail that's for speaking of. Games whatever and again the
inbox me On instagram hit us right like right, now
we try to get some airbnb's.

Speaker 4 (03:15:12):
And we have to handies coming. In we got a
lot of people coming in. Town we are the last.
Minute we don't punch. Time leave me support well as
you cant seven seventy three two five six ninety four fifty.

Speaker 7 (03:15:22):
One you know What i'm.

Speaker 4 (03:15:23):
Saying, again brother called in Say i'll turned out, here no, whatever.

Speaker 14 (03:15:27):
Come on with its.

Speaker 1 (03:15:29):
Chair we. Do we support all, right, chairman thank you
and say hi to your. Mom and we've got but
we got to get out of.

Speaker 12 (03:15:35):
Here family were already already.

Speaker 4 (03:15:37):
Done you know.

Speaker 1 (03:15:39):
All, Right thanks, chairman family classes this miss stay, strong stay,
positive please stay. Healthy let's see it tomorrow, morning six
o'clock right here In baltimore on ten ten W lb
and also in the D mb

Speaker 9 (03:15:51):
Fourteen fifty

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