Dr. A on Holistic Health, Ilyasah Shabazz on Malcolm X, & Pam Africa on Mumia Abu-Jamal

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And grand Rising family, and thanks for waking up with
us on this Wednesday morning. Another hump day later, holistic
and conventional medical doctor Doctor A will take over our classroom. Now.
If you have some health concerns, be very proactive and
speak with doctor A for a natural padic or a
traditional medical advice. Also, she's gonna, you know, issue a
report card on Black women's health. Issue did the top

(00:22):
at the top of the year, and she's gonna issue
report for twenty twenty five. So if you've got some
friends who have you know, have health challenges, who call
them up and tell them to speak to doctor A.
She's free. You don't have to pay her, you have
to go in any consultant. Just she'll give you both sides.
But before we were here from doctor A, Doctor Elasha Shabaz,
brother Malcolm's third daughter, will preview a special reading celebrating

(00:43):
the centennial of the autobiography of Malcolm X and Momachella
with the Moves. Pam Africa will check in. But first
let's get these classroom doors open, the locks solid, let's
get them open. With Kevin Langford. Good morning, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's the combination lock.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
You see.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You've gotta you gotta get the right number in the
right sequence. You see, success is sequential, not simultaneous.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's okay, there we go. And that's why they selected you,
and they entreasured you to with the locks in the
formula to open the doors.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's a big deal. It's a big
deal to be on the Colonel Nelson Morning Shoe University
on the tenth of December.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
How you feeling, Carl, I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning,
right on.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Man, right on, right on. It makes you an excellent
teacher too, because you ask all the right questions.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
You see. Well, the key is you got to listen.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, yeah, definitely. That's why we've got the two ears. Yeah,
no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
And today is just you know, another great day as
we look at this Wednesday. And first, uh, Trump pushes
back on the affordability criticism in his fiery Pennsylvania speech.
Man he hit the road to make the case that

(02:02):
his policies have helped Americans financially and boosted the economy
opposed to know, everybody feeling this crunch that we're feeling,
and somehow he's not. And he delivered these remarks from
Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania casino that frequently resembled a campaign addressed,
meandering from topic to topic and lambasting that this is

(02:26):
from the website The Hill, so that's their word. Lambasting
his political rivals in harsh terms, as he has in
recent weeks, President Trump tried to simultaneously he make the
case that he was working to lower costs for the
public while dismissing the idea that affordability was a political vulnerability.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Your thoughts, Yeah, my thoughts, of course, my thoughts here.
Here's the thoughts. He says, he's right. The Americans are prosperous. Yeah,
he's right. Not all of us, though he's billionaire, millionaire friends,
they're prosperous. And those are the ones he's around, he's
those are the people that in his circle. So they
all benefited from from all this what he's done. But tomorrow, tomorrow,

(03:10):
economists thought to Juliana Malvob be here and she'll explain it.
What the what's the difference for what's happening in the
White House and what's happened on main street? How main
Street feels about this? And we see that the portray
that coming out in some of these uh political races recently.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
And he says that the Democrats have construed this idea
of affordability as a hoax. He is that, you know,
they always have a hoax, and their new word is affordability.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
So how does he do that?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Is it that he's continually pointing fingers at the other
side of the aisle in the right?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's always somebody else's fault, you know, It's it's Biden's
fault that the inflation is running away. It's biden fault
that the prices are high. It's not it's your tariffs.
But it's in a circle. They won't tell him that
because they also benefit from what he's doing right now.
But when you go down on the street, Uh, John Public,
American John Public, he says, Nah, were feeling that, we're

(04:09):
feeling that we see the increases in food. You taught
about affordability. He's right, this is what the Democrats are
jumping on ever since Moon done in New York, all
the people who are running for office, that's that's front
of center of their campaigns. Now, affordability prices are high.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And and so then the signs are showing up with
the Democratic mayor of Miami. Of Miami, Eileen Higgins was
elected as the first Democratic mayor in three decades, And
so you were saying that that represents something.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
So yeah, Dr Marvin done. If you recall Kevin last week,
Doctor Marvin Dunn was here. He's fighting to stop the
President of the Trump Presidential Library to be built on
the campus of Miami Day College. And he said, a writers,
He says, look, because I asked him the question about it,
because it's heavily Latino, Hispanic, whatever term you want to
use for Miami, and they favorite Donald Trump. He says,

(05:06):
I'm not so sure. He says, to watch the Tuesday
mayoral race and see what happens. Because Eileen Higgins, she's
white and she's a Democrat. See what happens. See if
they prevail there, that will give you an indication. And
I guess the results are in. She won.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And here's what happens. She won the runoff election by
securing fifty nine percent of the votes, defeating her Republican competitor,
Emilio Gonzalez, who was endorsed by President Donald J. Trump,
and got nearly forty one percent according to official results.
And so Higgins said, Miami chose a new direction. You

(05:43):
chose competence over chaos.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, because because again the doctor Dunn says, because he's
heavily Hispanic, so many of them Cuban Americans like the
candidate that Donald Trump back who used to work for
Donald Trump and it came up short. What does that
say that Trump does no longer have a pulling power?
And a little of another race too, Kevin in Georgia
somewhere I sentate race where the Trump back candidate fell

(06:09):
short and the Democrats won that. So the Democrats are
pretty happy this Wednesday morning.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, Higgins's victory continues that string of Democratic wins and
Eileen Higgins sixty one also becomes the first woman to
be elected as the mayor in Miami. So congratulations, I
believe are in order there. And the Christmas miracle. National

(06:36):
Guard member who survived the DC attack is moving more.
He actually stood up out of his hospital bed. Remember
Staff Sergeant Andrew Wolfe, one of the two members that
were shot around Thanksgiving here in the nation's Capitol. And
the lady that was with them, specs Sergeant Sarah Beckstrom,

(07:00):
met her untimely demise because of that. But you know,
so they're looking at that as you know, a sign
of healing for that brother, that person. So anything you
want to say about that.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
She could do anybody's feeling better is couldn't regardless of
the circumstances. So yeah, right off on that one.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, according to News one, uh, Texas Texas tough. This
is what they're using as a headline. Representative Jasmine Crockett
officially launches her US Senate run and uh, she's launched
her bid to represent the state of Texas and she's
gearing up to unseat GOP Senator John Corn And Jasmine

(07:43):
Crockett has been making a lot of news lately, or
what do you have to say about that?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
She's she's she's been on the front of going after
Donald Trump and the Trump administration. So she's got a
lot of name identification. Well, see it's another race to
keep keep her eye on it and see what Texas does.
It's a truly read state and see if she can
flip it. You know, it's going to be interesting race.
And a lot of people, a lot of Texans, a
lot of Democrats like what she says, especially a lot

(08:09):
of black sisters love what the Jasmine Crockett They like
her energy because she's not you know, she's not taking
any prisoner, she's not being closed mouthed when it comes
to speaking up against Donald Trump. So we'll see, this
is another key race that we have to watch going
into the next election cycle.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
NBC says Democrats having won statewide race in Texas in
more than thirty years, and Crockett will be up against
the voting map intentionally drawn to disadvantage her party. Now
to mention, Crockett will be facing down Maga America, which
has hardly gone a week without calling her ghetto or

(08:47):
it's other such crazy names. So oh yeah, yeah, honestly.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And they claim she she she because you know, she's
an attorney, and they claim she went to private school
because she what they tried to discredit her she did.
She doesn't fit the typical quote unquote where they think
about black women in this country, African Americans, whatever the
label you want to put us on us these days,
because she went to a private school and went on
to law school. So she they're trying to say she's

(09:12):
out of touch with the regular African Americans because we
don't go to private school and we don't go to
law school but that didn't fly.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Oh well, finally it's done. The House Armed Services Chair
sees no need to further probe the boat strike. The
Republican chair of the House Armed Services Committee said he
doesn't see a need to investigate anymore that military controversial
strike that kills survivors of an attack on an alleged

(09:40):
drug running vessel back in September. And however, the committee
members are still set to hear from the commander who
ordered the strike and see the unedited video of that
incident in the coming days. Even hexf said he's willing
to release the video, so we'll be keeping an eye
on that as well.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, before you go, one of our listeners just tweeted
and send me because I couldn't recall the name of
the Georgia Democrat that won, and he said his name
was Eric Geisler. An upset victory in Georgia's state House.
He flipped the house that have been a Republican stronghold.
And this is not in Atlanta, this is somewhere northeast
of Georgia. So thanks the President for tweeting that again

(10:20):
that Democrat Eric Geisler upset the Republicans. So we talked
about Miami, but also the two wins for the Democrats
in two states elections.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
See there the Democrats is coming up, man, coming up.
And finally, fifty eight years ago Otis Redding met his
untimely demise along with some of the Barcade members in
that plane accident. We want to we want to thank
the gentleman who called in and reminded us of that.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
So, yeah, you know, when you think of Otis Redding
and you think of his death and think about the
Dock of the Bay, the song that came out, we
talked about Steve Cropper finishing the song last week and
he made yeah he died.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I don't know, man, I don't
know which is my favorite orders reading?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Otis reading is like a It's a mood. And you know,
when you put an Ortis Reading collection of music on,
it takes you to a whole different place mentally and emotionally.
And and similarly, this this thing about Otis reading that
it seems like he was ahead of his time as well.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, you know, you know what I recall when I
think about that, Kevin and those of you who've listened
to this program for a while, I heard uh Dr
Mabel John Doctor. She was the first female artist signed
to Motown. She was part of the Otis's backup group
and she missed the fight. So she got a car
and was driving out to the Bay and she's and
listened to the radio and hear the plane of crash

(11:56):
and turned around and went back to Memphis. She tells
that story. She says, I was supposed to be on
that plane or something happened. I got late and they
left me. So I'm driving out there. I mean to me,
I'm the driver as fast as I can so I
can get there and listen to the radio and it
came on and she says she couldn't believe it. She
pulled over, could believe it. I mean, drove back to

(12:18):
Memphis that you can't tell me how far she was was. Yeah,
I always remember that story. We're going to talk about
the dock of the Bay and Otis's death. Well that's
the way it is.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
On the tenth of December, Karl, thanks for your time
and your guess it's standing by.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
All right, fifteen out of the top aut Sister Pam Africa,
Grand Rising and good morning, good morning, Welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Thank you, thank you, and I guess want to see
how much I really appreciate you in how you handle
things soon.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
So well, let's let's talk about they had a rally
from me up with Jamal and I understand this is
on the anniversary of its arrest or something like that.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Can you fill us in it's no longer being recorded
if you heard that this call is recorded and the
other thing this is the new stuff you had one
whom we have to push it to say the themis recording.
But yes, it was forty four years since you and
MoMA was arrested. And brother, look, I'm telling you this
was one really magnificant in site yesterday to see people.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'll tell you what the sister pam before you tell
us about yesterday, because I'm there's there's so many people
who don't know the story of Mama I bout Jamal.
We almost get some new callers who have not been
following the news who don't know about MoMA. So can
you I know, we come up on a break, but
can you tell us that what happened forty four years ago?
Why Mamiya is still behind bars and actually was on

(13:52):
death row?

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Right?

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, okay, Momia bou Jamal was a young black youngist
in Philadelphia. Was known for the way he delivered these
and able to pull people in to hear the other side,
which would be outside and never compromised. Or that he
was a young black panther that at the age of

(14:18):
fourteen he was already targeted by this government as well
as Malcolm. We found out, you know, when he was younger.
But his brother went through the runs of the Panthers.
In fact, before he became a panther. He was a
young brother and another young brother went to a rally

(14:40):
where anythinkness raised his name. Wallace was in Philadelphia, I believe,
and they thought that they can demonstrate about the injustice
that you His vigime was well anyway, he got beat
up really really bad and on he said. That's what
kicked him into the Black Panther movement, and that's where

(15:03):
he learned how to use journalism. Like I said, he
was very well known until Piladelphia, in fact the week before.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
And whod I thought, right there, sister Pam, we got
a step aside for a few moments, so I let
you pick up the story on the other side. Family,
Thank you for waking up with us at seventeen minutes
after the top there are I guess there is sister
Pam Africa from the Move organization in Philadelphia, and today
we're talking about boot Jamal. She's given us the backstory
of this revolution that's now in prison. You want to speak,
will it reach out to us at eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

(15:35):
take your phone calls. And Grand Rising family, thanks for
waking up with us on this hump day. Twenty one
minutes after the top of the hour, I guest his
sister Pam Africa from the Move Organization in Philadelphia, and
she's always got to have fingers on the pulse of
what's happening with whir boot Jamal. He's been incarcerated and
it all started forty four years ago. So sister Pam,
will let you continue the story and give him the

(15:56):
backstory because a lot of folks that will listening to
us probably don't know the history of when we bojam ahead.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
All right, So I was getting ready to sing moon
here a few days a week or so before he
was beat up and getting ready to lead in lead
into that he was in the Philadelphia magazine, a very
prestigious white magazine here as one of the voices to

(16:25):
watch in nineteen eighty one. He was talking about people
who were moving up in life and you know, people
who they seen as community activists and uh, and she
wounded up in this newspaper, Uh, in this magazine because
of the work he did in the community and his

(16:47):
style is truthful style of journalism. On the night of
December ninth, nineteen eighty one, you know Move. Oh, in fact,
Moony got fired from different jobs and uh because of
his journalism not only on the Move organization, but dealing
with the issues of you know, mental health back then.

(17:11):
And uh, you know, Mumia was doing mental health stories
back then on what was happening into our communities and
deal with housing over in cam then and when people
didn't really understand the blight that they were getting ready
to see them which they was living in. Bringing attention

(17:32):
to you to that as well. But he's dropping the
cab on December in ninethe nineteen eighty one, and he
had sought for fear near thirteenth to Locust and you know,
he said he's right writing in the book and log
logging in and happened to look in the rear view
in the mirror and he can see where there was

(17:55):
a alteration going on between you know, a cop and
a person. Right at this particular point, he didn't know
what that person was his brother. So she's running over
and or you know, to deal with you know, you
know what was happening here, and like let me tell
you during that time, we were living under the Rizzle regime.

(18:16):
Black folks was being shot down in the street a
mercifully and in fact, I would say not as much
as it is today here in the United States. But
you know, grandmothers, mothers, children, fathers and stuff was being
you know, shot by the police and the then police

(18:37):
Commissioner Rizzle and always you know, given like a blanket,
you know, a thankful these cops to be able, you know,
to do this kind of stuff. So Rizzle becomes the
mayor of Philadelphia when this situation happened with Momeya, and
I want to say too, Momia was targeted here in

(18:58):
Philadelphia were Captain Reggie Hell and a whole lot of
other people because of their outreach in their community doing
the things that panthers were sport to do, you know,
feeding me hungry and uh, you know, being involved in
all the political issues and or teaching political education and
off running people, you know, for office. And well that

(19:20):
was you know, sort of the atmosphere and blacks was
rising up, and I mean you can see African you know,
garb and you know our streets was our streets and
all they were all black at this particular time, you know,
moving up to nineteen eighty one, you know that night
Moonia runs across the street and Moonia.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Shot and.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
You know, Moonia's running across the streets. I'm not quite
sure what part with Moonia you know, got shot, but
he yeah, he got shot and he U wind up
not quite sure of the part. You know what I

(20:06):
want to tell people to do for you know, actual
factual information, And I'll go to googoom with the case
of Mummia at bou Jamal, google his name and you'll
find out from the time he was born all the
way up till you know now today. And you can
go on YouTube and find out information about the railroad trial,

(20:30):
which you know he was involved in. People say that,
you know, Mummia, you know, need a fair trial. Mummia.
You know when people say fair trials. Is if they
they're saying that Mumia had a trial that was a railroad.
That was nothing that Mumia went through that resembled a

(20:51):
trial after he was beat on the street on December
the ninth and acting as.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Because he was accused of killing a Philadelphia police officer.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Correct, yes he was, yes, yes, black men and at
the right place the wrong time, So he he was.
He was shot that night and running across the street.
The officer name was Daniel Farkner.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So oh.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
The the person that was being arrested turned out to
be moon Mumia's brother who was beating this is the
well with a flashlight. He had different marks all over
him when police officer Farkner lived on the street. According
to the police report, they say Moonia ran across the street,

(21:47):
shot Falkner in the back. Falkner falls to the ground
and then he gets off uh shot to Moumea. They
say Momia stood over a police officer Falkner and shot
at his head, and he rose his body, rose his

(22:08):
body several times and the boys didn't we didn't hit him.
The problem with that particular story, come to find out,
was that a photographer by the name a poor cop
happened to have been on the scene, came up a
few minutes after it, took some pictures of the crime scene,

(22:29):
and you know, and doing that, you know, Mumia one,
that was another open case. They'll gotta forgive me. And
we've been on this long twenty eight day march and
they tell the truth. I was sleep at six o'clock
when brother Paul, you know, woke me up and I'm
trying to pull myself together and tell a story and

(22:52):
of a backstory and to bring people up to date,
and didn't get into where we're at right now.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
So I'm right, well, let me help you out there,
sister pound because then after the trial it is found
guilty and and uh there was there's been a worldwide
claimate for him for his release. In fact, at one
time he was on death row. And before we go
to the march, I understand what was very successful for
mom yesterday that ended yesterday. Just tell the folks at

(23:20):
uh the family, Sister Pound bound, some of the international
people who have come to you know, support momir people
from all over the world, not just in Philadelphia, not
the state side, but in France as well.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Right right, Well, in France, the president, late President Jock
Sharrock in the very beginning, you know, when we were
doing like millions for more Mia and Mumia names that
became a household and down here around the world because
of the evidence, and that's you know, getting things out.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
The French President Jock Sharrock would said it in the
newspaper that you know, his case has come before me.
They cannot, you know politically or use the word could
not get involved. But if it's a case where Mulia
is innocent and all you know, and you know, being railroaded,

(24:15):
you know, then they can. Well, I want to say this,
and all the French involvement in doing the work around
MoMA's case, I'm talking about Africans. I'm talking about all
kinds of people over in the you know af in
France and know where Mulia and made a unraary citizen.

(24:37):
And in order to graduate out the country of France,
not the city of uh you know, but the country
of France, you got to know the case of Mumia
Abu Jamal. It's in their curriculum. Why and because when
President jocksh Roxte you show us evidence, we was able
to show evidence. They were able to come over here

(24:59):
and investigate and bring journalists and investigators in here. And
to this day, on the twenty eighth, i mean on
the ninth, forty four years later, since Molea was arrested,
they were still standing with us. They helped us financially
and uh, you know, all helped us get you know,
information out.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Also President President Fidel Castro and uh also did the
same thing, and uh you know, had his people. They
did massive demonstrations on behalf of MOVELEA in the streets
and uh, you know, on several days they had brought speakers,
they brought me. Uh, I was part of a dudation

(25:42):
that was brought over there to present we Miya's case.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know on.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Um you know, on their TV station. And uh, you know,
we spent time with president through your castle. They took
us on tours. You know, you're dealing with the prisons,
dealing with the communities and stuff, you know, and was
also getting asked, was given information on you know, what

(26:11):
if he's seen as some things that we needed to
be doing. And also you know that trip was you know,
a really good trip. But I'm talking about presidents of
countries I'm talking about the son of Kwame and Tuma.
You know, I'm talking about the us daughter of rich
You're right, the sons of w E b du Bois

(26:32):
and you know, the daughter of the great great great
granddaughter of.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
God.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
And also we should share with the family too, Sister Pama.
This is this is a little town outside of Paris,
a suburb of Paris named for MoMA. The streets name
for MoMA. So it's just it's just not you know,
just not a local event here. People have seen the
injustice that uh for me as undergud has been has
been in concentrated. Now what is it how many years now,

(27:04):
sister Pound forty four?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Forty four? Uh?

Speaker 4 (27:11):
And because you know, telling how the support and what
it is they had done in or to get moved.
You know, people, and I'm not just talking about friends.
I'm talking about and I'm talking about Germany, I'm talking
about all throughout Africa. I'm talking about in the jungle
as people are saying they are a exhibition that there
is a poster of a movement had moved Jamal, you know,

(27:32):
because he's innocent and you know, we're giving a gift
to me, I say, and or you know, to test
our humanity and or you know our stand for you know, righteousness.
And you know, how is it that this young brother
and all four black grew up in the projects of

(27:55):
North to Valdulphia rise to be this international figure where
France came over and did battle here. You know, I'm
talking about physical not physical mental bout things with you know,
the governments here. They wasn't going to allow them to
say that, you know, their people was being duped by us,

(28:18):
you know, duke by us into having them think that
Moonia was guilty of you know, of of murder and
or you know, they said not to the investigation, but
they you know, the people here, and it was in
city council. It was in city council. I bring up
the name of who oh John Street was the president

(28:41):
of the city council there.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Now believe you know, they.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
City council was going to send all their people over
there and some other people to represent this side, you know,
this side and or to show that Moony is guilty,
is guilty, And they told they didn't have to worry.
This was the friend said, and all we welcomed you
over here. We'll pay your fare for being over there.
These are real lived, true stories and all.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
You know.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
And they said, but they was bringing I was to
be on on on the other side, and uh, I
think it was gonna be Lennox Hines and uh some
community activists. I think at that particular time, it might
have been two students here. A student here, Leslie Jones,
who had graduated from Temple and she was a young

(29:33):
activist that was dealing, uh, you know with the issues
of prison incarceration, and uh, they gave him a list
of who was coming and Ramona they didn't come. Oh
you know who was with us too, and uh the
daughter the sons of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, and or

(29:55):
who was also gonna be on the side where we
were at was mayors and you know people investigators and
or you know, for you know, this is actually how
they they wound up doing their curriculum or Morena and
or and that was to deal with the lives that
was being put on in the United States about you know,

(30:19):
the French involvement, you know, with the case of Mona
that Mumia you know was uh was guilty from saying
these things and uh, and the fact that the entire
West Coast people listening to we talking about this young
brother from to Philadelphia, our native sons, and or they
shut the entire West coast down for two days one

(30:42):
one day they had a walk off. This was for
more Mia. It wasn't a hitting agenda that you know,
we're doing this for you know, for Morena and or
for our native sun here, for our old and or
you know. To have that done and Or took a
whole lot of organized and took a whole lot of

(31:02):
teaching of who MoMA is. And Uh that particular day,
the police you know, and know because the UH people
was also while they were shutting it down, we were
doing millions for more Mia. Angela Davison, a lot of
other people got arrested protesting that day. So I'm saying
the issue MoMA just going around, going around, going around,

(31:25):
and more and more people. This is one of the
things I never forget. And uh, looking at Daniel Farkner's
wife more than falkl and this when we were twenty
years into this, they could not believe edwind Dell said
this that same thing. He was, um, you know, one
of them, you know, white mayors and one of the

(31:48):
one of the monsters you know here that's in in
government and h he was, you know, like they couldn't
understand how this movement for the life of more miir
how the movement for move nine until they got our jail.
But Mia, how is it existing now that you can
bring massive amount of people from you know, from from

(32:11):
around the world. This is where it was at, you know,
yesding the demonstration and.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
You will how right there is, Sister Pam. I'll let
you when we come out. We gonna check the news
when we come back though, tell us about the rally,
the march, the demonstration from Mama that took place to
Andy yesterday. Family, you two can get in on this
conversation with Sister Pam Africa. She's from the move organization
in Philadelphia and she's working closely to help Abu Jamal,
a political prisoner in Pennsylvania. You want to join this conversation,

(32:36):
reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls
after the news that's next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning. It's
a humpday. That means we're halfway through the work week
at sixteen minutes away from the Tom Davil, I guess
the sister Pam Pam Africa from the Move organization in Philadelphia.
There's a big rally for Mama Abou Jamal on Tuesdays.

(32:58):
She's finding a report for us before we go back
to her the let me just remind you. Later this morning,
we're gonna speak to holistic and medical conventional medical doctor
Dr A. She's going to issue a report card on
twenty twenty five Black Women's Health report Card. That's what's
going to issue. And if you have any health concerns, male, female,
you got health concerns, you have a chance to speak
to a real doctor who also can give you either

(33:20):
the traditional responses you need or if you want a
holistic response, a natural pathic response, you can do both.
She's dual, so she'll be here coming up later this morning.
Before we speak with her, though, we're gonna speak to
one of Malcolm's daughters, doctor Elias Shabaz. It's going to
be a centenary reading of Malcolm's autobiography book that was
done by Alex Haley, so she'll shared with us all

(33:41):
about what that's all about. And later this week. Actually tomorrow,
civil rights activist William maccassa Rix will be here along
with the economist doctor Julianne Malvaux. So if you are
in Baltimore, make sure your radio's locked in tight on
ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV, run
fourteen fifty WL. All right, sister Pam Africa, tell us
what happened on Tuesday? How did this rally start? And

(34:01):
wait did it end?

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Right?

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Well, it started in Philadelphia at Uncle Bobby's and it
ended at my honud prison. It was a twelve day march.
And I want to say the reason why people you
know marched and why they ended it at my Honnuyed
prison because it was forty four years ago that you know,

(34:28):
the government tried to take MoMA out on December ninth.
This was the da get a cop was was killed.
But people are the biggest thing that people was coming
is about the innocence of Momeir and to continued to
continue and or a tenth of this government when they

(34:48):
did not when he failed during December nineth eighty one
to kill Momeir and you know he was in prison
over thirty years on death row and in had time.
You know, Molia had coals and things and uh, and
these people are so sure that they was gonna kill
him then that you know, they didn't really go the
extra steps you know, on him in torture. But when

(35:11):
Moulia will read the people. But enough pressure on this
government and they lifted that death wide off of Mona
and uh they at this particular point they vowed and
he vowed in the open air on on TV, you know,
with the news media, what they was gonna do to
Mona and all. You know, they said that once he

(35:33):
step off of death row, he gonna see what hell
is he? They wanna make sure he burned in hell.
MoMA has been sick, you know, in fact, in order
to come off of death row and or you gotta
take meals and or it's a whole lot of things
that you gotta go through to go into general you know, population,

(35:56):
and Moulia had to go through all those different you
know things.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Well, I mean, for a second, how's his health. How's
he doing now? Because we know he's been having some
health challenge. He's a a while in prison. How's he
doing now?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Can this is this is why people are doing the demonstration.

Speaker 9 (36:15):
You know here and now you.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Had doctor Ricardo Alvarez on the show. In fact, you
know your shows and dealing with Mona. It's historical shows
and you know, showing you know, the conspiracy and or
you had experts on there telling you what, you know,
what was happening. He tried several times, you know, to

(36:39):
kill Momea. And this one right here is dealing with
the eyes. You know, if these people wasn't so wicked,
and because Mumi was having problems with his eyes and
he thought it was you know it it was just
cadillacs and they was refusing. They were doing everything, putting
things off so that things can worse. So you know,

(37:02):
the movement, you know, drew our you know, we wanted
to you know, want him to get his eyes checked.
Make a long story short, and uh we wind up
getting outside our themologists in order to go over the
records of Momeir and dealing with you know, from from
the beginning of his health all the way up now,

(37:23):
and you find a written and their words and all
my lack of doing things that they knew what they
were supposed to do, a conspiracy to commit murder and
are in the courtrooms. I'm saying, you know why we
march and or to continue to bring attention to the
case of MoMA, because see, there wasn't one let MoMA

(37:45):
offered death for all and h there was the pressure
and or the consistent pressure of the people. I don't
care what the number was or anything. We had been
saving more MIA's life ever since. He's you know, been
in here and now there at the point here again
where Molia has a h rent a problem that could

(38:07):
really expose you know, at any time and according to
their doctors, because what she said and or you know
a while ago, is this osthemologist you know who looked
at the paperwork, she said, if Monia was my patient
and or you know he today is Friday, she said,
you know, we'll have him, you know, in the operation

(38:28):
first thing Monday morning, and because they would have to
do tests and ah.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So you know this is where we're at.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
You know, we wound up vitting and all these records
and expose Nettle things. You know what's going on with him?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Well, let me let me ask you again, because I'm
sorry to interrupt you. Sister Pama tan away from the top,
but Minister Falcon tried to get him some medical health
as anybody else and that was turned down by the
prison officials. Has anybody else any other health? Uh, folks
will trying to help Mama with his current situation.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yes, yes, right, yeah, you know, and and I really
think the minister because when he did that and they
turned him down and or you know, it just put
it out there more and all had more you know,
more people. It's like, you know, yo, what so anyway,
even to the part that's etched in your mind to
the day that Minister Phara Coon and said that, you

(39:26):
know they'll you know, get doctors.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
You know they are for you know, for more mia.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
But I say that to say, here's a doctor by
the name of Joseph Harris and Or who came to
the demonstration yesterday. He was the doctor who after the
minister Coon you know, couldn't get doctors and and he
was a doctor that was with doctors without borders. He

(39:51):
was a panther and all you know, some people say
former panther, but you know, I'm to understand, once a panther,
always a panther, real panthers. He seeing this condition that
was happening with MoMA in order had people in horror
and just needed MoMA was gonna die up in there.
He identified it as a form of this is without touching, momir,

(40:15):
this is that looking in his eyes, looking at his
skin and or you know, just doing you know that
whole physical you know thing you know with his you know,
with his eyes. When he diagnosed MoMA with hepatitis C.
That's exactly what was happening. They was treating MoMA for
several other things. And in his case, if people go

(40:37):
and pick up you know, four days in Scranton, you
see uh in that trial there you'll see a conspiracy
to commit murder. Nobody went to jail, but Moulia wounded
up with you know, of the medical treatment that was
needed while we march and or to you know, let
people know, Mumia body can't take too much more. We

(40:58):
just lost you know, whether jamil our means from you know, uh,
political plotting and all you knew judicial plottum and all
you know to kill him. And he finally sucme and
know because his body could not take no more of
what it was that they were doing. But you know

(41:19):
him and brother kam Ousadchi and all you know, it's
a lot of other political prisons and we march and
off for them. We march for the elders in these
prisons that are going through this torture. We marched for
the young folks and all, you know, it's it's just

(41:39):
you know, and when you're able to pull people from
all over, they march through the mountains and you know,
in the snow, and you know, if you go to
YouTube march for mo Mia, you'll see. But what they
also saw and experience in this march, the loveliness, the
carrying of people and all because people welcome, you know,

(42:01):
the marchers in and uh they set up food and
people from the community was bringing them food. And you know,
the last day of the event and on the Islamic
Center opened the doors and they fed everyone. There was
a brother who they ordered some Jamaican food from them
while you know, on this march, and they told the

(42:23):
story of Momea. And this was on a Sunday on Monday.
The brother was closed and all he got in back
called them back from the number that they ordered from
to let them know he will open his doors up
for the marchers and he will feed each and every
last one of them.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And you know, and the food was good and.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
You know, the community opened. You were up their doors
and you know, they had like a teaching about the
elder abuse, about what was happening with withlea, political prisons.
They stopped at the underground railroad, you know, houses and
uh and it was teaching because it was a very
teachable moment, and not only on momir, but the history
of you know, of you know, of our battles and

(43:07):
oh you know with this government, you know, and you
know people will say, you know, you know, well what
did you get out of it? And the mere fact
that you have enjoyed more people we have youth and
all that, you know another you know, in these forty
four years, I've seen people come, I've seen people go.

(43:28):
I've seen people be young folks and or to the
point that their parents and their grandparents. You know, now
these generations of seeing youth come, seeing you know, people come.
I'm saying that you say on December ninth, nineteen, I
mean twenty twenty five. And you know, it was like
a rejuvenation because it was people. I did something that

(43:51):
I didn't usually do, moumea call then and I wanted
him to feel the thing of the people that was
there and everybody want to say something to momeir. So
what I did I put the mind, you know, so
that each person can say, like you know, I'm i'm
system of lay laying off of West Philadelphia, and you know,

(44:11):
and each person and we were shocked to find out
people was there from a Lasier and all people was
there from California and a people of all you know,
you know, walks in life, doctors and ministers and a
you know, all these people were standing on the front
line for more MILLA and people still where they told

(44:31):
you you cannot stand. It was right there to their
interest call cause was allowed. They set up the uh
the sound system and you know, they get a whole
teach in there. I'm saying, they no power like the
power the people, because they used you when we come
up there and demonstrate in smaller numbers, and you know,

(44:54):
they said, well you have to be on the other
side of the street. They march right on up into
they didn't go past that you know, main entrance into
the prison. And we had a food truck that they
paid money so that everybody can eat a black food
truck when you know, doing the food that was there.
We took that entire side up. And you know, and

(45:15):
I say we because I'm one of the people. I
was not the organizers.

Speaker 10 (45:19):
You know, you know of it, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Roger all the tuff, But the Sister Pam, we got
to check the traffic and weather and our different seas.
So I'll let you finish your thought when you get back. Also,
because I saw pictures of the rally and it was
in the racial group, you wouldn't know that all these
folks black, white, brown are coming together for me abou
Jamal a family. If you's just waking up, this is
what Sister Pam Africa from the movie organization and sharing
with us this morning. You want to like to speak

(45:42):
to her, reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls after the trafficking, weather, the snacks and
grand rising family. Thanks for waking up with us on
this Wednesday morning. So hum day. We're halfway through the
work week with our guests. Sister Pam Africa. She's reporting
on a rally a marsh for about Jamal that concluded
on Tuesday. So let me ask you this though. At

(46:04):
the Sister Pan Africa I'll let you finish your thought.
But when you finished that, because there was some concern
about Jamail Amen who passed away recently in Georgia and
almost the same thing political prisoner and refused medical help.
So did were you was this sort of concerning when
you heard the Jamai l Amn also known as h

(46:25):
rap Brown passed away and indeed of medical assistance and
the same thing's going on with with Moa Abu Jamal.
Were you concerned when you heard the death of Jamel Amel? Oh?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yes, and you know, and you know you'd be thinking
that you're prepared for because Kyrie, you know whether Jamil
allen Son and you know he had prepared people, and
you know they gave a timeline and anytime they you
your timeline, you can either go past that or you

(47:01):
if they give you sixty days, you might go on
the week and are you each where between that? So
we was preparing ourselves, you know, for for but you
know when you hear it, it's still like, oh my god,
my inside felt like it was going to drop. As
I was standing, you know there, I had to get
a seat and sit down, and then I reflected on

(47:23):
you know, the examples the great examples and all you
know they say he going he not going in or
just like oh, our other people you know, they live
in our hearts and or you know they live on
video on the audio and things and all you know,
the lessons that they are, the examples that they have
put forth before us, and all you know of how

(47:45):
you know how to deal and all you know and
examples of like you know, families and things. We got
good examples out of you know, his brother's you know,
level of life as we see it, and all you know,
you know, I know he's sitting at the foot with
your ancestors, and you know we getting too certain jams.

(48:05):
Certain things that people say come to our minds, and
all that's them touching us again and or you know,
reminding a lot of the things that I can.

Speaker 11 (48:15):
Be involved in.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
It be the ancestors, you know, it be that the
source of life for all people that touch us and
have us do and put us on a certain path
that you just can't come off of, and you know,
it becomes your way of life. And also I'm so
grateful that you know, I know that brother Jamil, our

(48:37):
means lives in the level of what I'm talking about
you know.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Africa, because we're going to talk about another brother. It
was so impawerful in many of us our lives, and
that'll be brother Malcolm. But before we do that, though,
because we've got doctor standing by, she saw Malcolm, one
of Malcolm's daughters and they're having a big celebration event
for brother Malcolm. We're going to talk about that momentarily.
But before we let you go, sister Panma Africa, what's
next for Mama Abu Jamal is? Are we're gonna anticipate

(49:11):
a health update or is the struggle still on to
free him? Or your thoughts real quick?

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Yes? And you can go to Mobilization for more Mia
dot com the March for more Mia and you know,
get a lot of information and dealing with his health
and our next steps and we're coming down after this one.
Our next step is always the same step. You know,
you know, stay consistent and you know, you know, getting

(49:38):
information our for more mea urging people to go and
you know on Netflix, on YouTube, you know, you know,
any kind of social media and or you'll find the
facts in this case, Oh might I say, you know
the other side and are showed up at our administration.

(50:01):
It was three people that had Daniel Faulkland signs and uh,
you know, and they meant to intimidate, look react like
they wasn't even there. They were so frustrated they started
housing little things cross the street. And know what I'm saying,
we were doing what it is that we have to
do it and all that and the g toy put
us all there. It was so magnificent, it was so strong.

(50:21):
So to continue these things and all people can get
you know, videos, show 'em in you know, uh you know,
in their homes and uh, I do know that we're
planning on shutting Philadelphia down on April twenty fourth for
Mere's birthday, but there will be events leading up to
that and for people that's in the New York area
December twelfth. On December the twelfth this year is I'm

(50:47):
honors to be accepting the UH First Video or Plumber
Award along with brothers Aid Muhammad out of out of
Newark at the House of the Little Church this Friday.
So you know, we'll be giving you know, updates because
that brother made that entire march him and larry him
and you know, I got to give credit. What credit

(51:08):
is due. This was the baby of brother Steve and
I can't think this last name.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
And yeah, we're gonna the sister Pam because we got
the doctor Alisha Shabbas on deck. So listen. Thank you
for the work that you do. Thank you for keeping
us informed of what's going on with Mia and and
thank you for being one of our soldiers because you've
been out there on the streets for a long long
time and keep us in the loop of this event
that is going to take place later this month.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Sure will and I will keep my radio on my
Could you keep me a open line so.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I can hear the show, Kevin, see if you can
help out Sister Pam Africa there.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Eight minutes after the top, they our family Grand Rising,
Doctor Elisha Shabaz, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 12 (51:52):
Good morning, how are you.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
It was so great to hear the young lady before me,
uh talking about mama.

Speaker 13 (52:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yeah, that's that's what we do. That's what we do.
Thank you. Take the name of us this morning. Let
me ask you first first off the top, who gave
you your name? Your first name?

Speaker 10 (52:16):
My father?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Your father?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yes and.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Okay yes, so so yeah, okay, so he named me
after Elijah. But my name actually means God is present.
It's an Arabic name, the name the language that Jesus spoke,
and it means God is present. My father named all

(52:44):
of his daughters.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
So when you say your name after Elijah, was that
Elijah Muhammad? Yes, sir, all right, let's talk about this
event that's coming up.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
Okay, well, Elijah Muhammad whatever. Well, so yes, where there is.
So this is my father's one hundredth birthday year and
with it is a new release Penguin uh One World

(53:19):
Random House release the one hundredth edition of the Autobiography
of Malcolm X. And it's a very beautiful the done book.
My eldest sister, Ambassador at Apaua Shabaz, she penned the
forward and it's just so beautiful and you know, touching.

(53:41):
It's it's powerful, it's inspirational, as is the autobiography. And
on Thursday, December eleventh, we will be petting towards the
Symphony Space in New York City where Jama But now, Jill,

(54:01):
I don't have any of the information with me. Do
you have the information with you?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I've got some of the information you. I've got some
of the folks who are going to be speaking.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Okay, great, So we have a lot of the speakers
who will be a lot of distinguished individuals, actors, writers
and so forth who will powerful who will be doing
reading on Thursday right at seven pm at Symphony Space
and I'll do the introduction.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Actor Joe Morton will be one of the speakers. Is there,
Nicole Hannah Jones another one of the speakers. Johnny Cobb,
another one of the speakers, is going to be there
as well. So is this open to the public.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
It's open to the public. Yes, tickets are on sale.
You can go to my Instagram, whether Shabbaz Center Instagram
or even Symphony Space and get tickets and see a
little bit more about what is happening on this Thursday.
You bring your family, your friends, your children, and you know,

(55:04):
come on down now.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
They're going to read from the book from the because
you know many of us that book changed our lives.
I just personally changed my life. You know, had a
copy and lorded somebody else back then we just got hands.
Everybody wants to read the book, The Autobiography of Malcolm X.
Is this this new version? Is it the color the same?
Is it's what's the difference between this version that's coming

(55:26):
out next year and the original.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Well, it's a new edition and you get to get
a hardcover copy because now you can only get a
paperback the autobiography of Malcolm. Well, that's not true, but
it's a it's a new image, it's a new cover.
But you know, the autobiography. It provides a framework for
how we can advance the legacy of humankind.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
And it's truth.

Speaker 6 (55:50):
And I think when many people talked about, uh, you
know how much this book and it's not just the book,
it's the words of Malcolm X, it's you know, inspired them,
awaken them, I think it is extremely important that we
make sure the next generation is able to receive it
in the same way that prior generations. We know, the

(56:13):
New York Times made it a bestseller, so you know,
it's an opportunity to rediscover the content in the book
and pass the legacy onto the next generation.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
That's a good idea. I like that because it changed,
Like I said, it changed a lot of people's lives. Yeah,
young especially young black men growing up at that particular
time and reading this book, you go, wow, Wow, this
book that you talked about being powerful that is so
impactful and changing the lives of many many people. So
I'm glad to know that this will now be introduced
to a new generation of young people. They know the

(56:53):
name Malcolm X, but they don't know what They've probably
seen Spike's movie, but they really don't know malc If
you understand what I'm saying, Elasha, and.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
You know, yeah, that's right. And you know, for the
most part, we didn't know who we were. The world
didn't know who black people were. They didn't know who
the African diaspora. They didn't know much about the diaspora
only except for slavery and many people black, white, red, yellow, Muslims, Christians,

(57:25):
you know, Jewish people, et cetera. The world's over. I
think that it was the roadmap that articulates our individual
and our collective purpose. Right We're always wondering who, you know, like,
what is life about? And many people were able to
discover that in this autobiography and the words of my father,

(57:46):
how to move forward with an identity intact. I love
that it's a big history lesson in one chapter about
what happened in the world, how we got to be
where we are, which is so inspirational, you know, and
I think that that you know, so, you know, it

(58:09):
shows us how to move forward with an identity intact
with philosophies we've been invoking that helps to shape human possibility.
And that's what I carry and every single course that
I teach to my students. You know, I'm at Worcester
State University. Well I'm not at Worcester State University right now,

(58:30):
but I will be back in the fall at John J.
Koch wherever I teach, I make sure that I that
I provide a curriculum to my students where they understand
their purpose in life. That everybody has one, everybody has
a legacy. Each one of us will inevitably transition, We

(58:51):
will inevitably pass away. And so what are we doing
with our time while we're here? How can we make
this life meaningful? Purposeful?

Speaker 3 (59:00):
You know, give it direction.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
I think a lot of it is in the autobiography
of Malcolm Accent. It is why many people around the
world continue to talk about how much this book changed
their lives.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah, I'm going to pick up a new copy. I'm
gonna keep this one for myself. But you're absolutely right, though,
Doctor Elisha Shabbaz. This is Malcolm's daughter, third, the third
of his daughters sixteen. Alf the top of that, we'll
come with a break. I want to ask you though,
when we get back from the break, what was it
like growing up to being the daughter of Malcolm accent?
Were you on any sort of pressure? Was that pressure
on yourself? Did you feel you had to comport to

(59:35):
how people they think about your dad and they think, well,
you must be this way, or they expect you, or
you shouldn't be doing that because you're Malcolm's daughter. You
know that kind of stuff. If you can share that
with us, it'll appreciate it. Then we'll also talk about
the events it's taking place tomorrow. Family, you want to
speak to our guess, doctor Elisha Shabbas, reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls and grand rising. Family.

(59:57):
Thanks for starting your Wednesday with thiss. It's a humpday
where halfway through the work week with our guest doctor
Elisa Shabaz I pronouncing her name correctly. She's one of
Malcolm's daughters and she's taking part in this celebration of
a centenary of the new edition of the Autobiography of
Malcolm X. If you listened to this program quite a bit,
you've heard from some of Malcolm's other relatives like Roddale
and Collins, and they planning a whole bunch of celebrations

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of four brother Malcolm next year, this entior of Malcolm X.
And so keep listening you'll hear more.

Speaker 14 (01:00:25):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Uh, Doctor Elisha is with us this morning and they're
having an event. They're going to talk about the new
edition of the Autobiography of Malcolm X. It's going to
be a reading led by Jelani Cobb, and he's going
to feature folks like actor Joe Morton and Nicole Hannah
Jones and other folks are going to be there. We'll
give you the whole list before she leaves. But before
we left for the break, I was my question to

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you was did you feel any undue pressure growing up
as being the daughter of Malcolm X.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
Emails. I always tell people that my mother, with her
six daughters, who lives in Westchester County and we live
in a bubble of her love, a protective wing. You
can only imagine she saw her husband killed in front
of her. She lives through her home being firebombed with

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four babies and pregnant with the twins, and you know,
you have to ask yourself, how is someone able to
overcome the trauma and you know, not be bitter. My
mother went on, she got her doctorate, She raised six daughters.

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She gave us everything that you can imagine, a great school,
summer camp in Vermont, history lessons, tutor lessons with shake tofique,
you know, yoga, ballet, music, everything. And I often wondered
how was she able to overcome that and still thrive,

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you know, still be loving and kind and thoughtful. She
never accepted no, or I can't as an answer for herself.
She said that it was her husband, who you know,
gave her a better sense of her purpose as a mother,
as a wife, as a woman, as a civic leader.

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And so she instilled that in all in her children,
all these great values. Right our house was the lively
house to come to because there were six girls there.
And it wasn't until I went to college. I was fifteen.
In July turned sixteen, I went to a pre you

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know pre camp thing went to camp. Everybody, I mean
to college, Everyone's like, oh my god, you're Ncomis's daughter.
And it was overwhelming because I had gone to an
all girls prep boarding school. You know, I was living
under the protective wing of Betty Shabaz, and there were
just things that you did not know, did not learn.

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And you think that people are the same as they
are within your household, right, that they're kind, that they're loving,
that they're trustworthy, they have your best interests, and so yes,
I was overwhelmed. And I remember calling my oldest sister
and asking her who am I supposed to be as
Malcolm X's daughter? What am I supposed to you know, do?

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And she said, you don't have to pass the test
to be Malcolm's daughter, you already are. So those were
the kinds of expectations, I guess, you know which many
young people experience expectations, bully, peer pressure and so forth.
But I think the greatest gift that my parents gave
me was the opportunity to love who I am as

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I am, and that was because of the history lessons
that my mother made sure we learned. It was the
art that represented us and the diaspora in our household.
We learned about the significant contributions that win men made
to the world, that Islam made to the world, and
that the African diaspora as the first world nation right

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made to the world, and so that we were equipped
to love who we were and not rely on others
to determine our self worth. And I think it's because
of that, you know, it enables me to see you
as a reflection of me, and me as a reflection
of you, and you know, and teach share do whatever

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I can when I see injustice of one kind against
any human being. Right, and Islam taught us. You know,
you believe in one God. Hence you believe in one man,
one woman. Right, We're all the same. We're all God's children,
We're all brothers and sisters under the fatherhood of God.
So I didn't I'm not going to say that I
had really huge challenges because whenever I had questions, I

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always went back to my mother, you know, or I
went to my eldest sister and they explained it, and
I thought, okay, well you know that, you know, because
everything was like a It just it worked for me
and I knew that they loved me, and I think
that really made such a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Gotcha twenty five off the top of another person who
loved Malcolm loved you as well. Peter Bailey is joining it.
Stay's online one grandising Peter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Good morning, good morning, Good morning, Peter Bailey, good morning,
good morning.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
How you doing good A Peter Bailey, uncle A Peter Bailey,
brother a Peter Bailey. Because I know you're like, well,
wait a minute, now we're close in age.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
That sounds good, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
And for the rest of the family, wait tell me
here for a second, guys, for the rest of the family. E.
Peter Bailey is a journalist, is one of the actually
one of the last persons to speak to brother Malcolm
before his assassination, and he's been close to the family
ever since. I know you have a question for doctor
Elisha Shabaz, Peter, No, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Just listen to her what you're doing it And as
I listened, I understood what she was saying because I
knew her mother and her father and and they were
the kind of people that you learned from and uh
to me, they I referred to them as they were
both master teachers. And I think it there's no more

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important a person in a in a in a child's life,
and in a young person's life been a master teacher,
and that is someone who is a serious human being
who understands who told us about what the world is
all about and him to who their pastor is on
that it's mad two younger people. And so I regard

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uh brother Malcolm ANCESTRETI. They were both master teachers and
and I learned from them. Uh and and they're both
having tremendous uh responsibility for the things that I've been
able to do. You know, since I've been around up,
I tried to pass on the information about them when

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I speak to you know, to to to buy. So
my family members and other young people today that that
that both of them and this is what I tell
both tell everybody that I talked to about them that
they were both master teachers and and that if you
want to if you're trying to know how we function

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in this world, then you should read what they said,
what they wrote and and and what they left us
uh with people. So uh, that's that's critical for me
the factory. They were both master teachers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Well, well let me ask he asked you this what
Peter said about being master teachers and what your mother
and your dad do you think that's why you sort
of went into the profession as a teacher or professor.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
Well, you know, that was sort of accidental. You know,
I started off I was going to be a medical doctor,
and you know, something happened and education, you know, I
went I mentored young people while I was in school,
and I just saw that their fired, their light was out,

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and I didn't quite understand why. And then for me,
it was just very important that they got the same
kind of tutelage that my parents gave me, you know,
and that was a curriculum that enabled and allowed them
to love.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Who they are just as they are.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
So my children's book Malcolm, the Boy Who Grew Up
to Become X Malcolm Little, my my other books Growing
Up X et cetera, et cetera. All of those books
are so that when you turn a page, you're learning
a little about history, you're learning some lessons, you're learning
some values through the eyes of others. But and you're

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also seeing a reflection of yourself. Right, You're seeing a
reflection of a person of the African you know, ancestry,
and and you're learning, you know, about yourself. And it's funny,
as I listened to a Peter Bailey saying that I
realize and I'm so blessed and I feel so you know,

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grateful to have had my parents because my life has been,
you know, a great learning experience and understanding. That's what
all of our lives are about, right ris suppose to
learn as much as we can and continue to evolve.
And and that's what I saw in my parents, and
you know, that's what I tried to give to others

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an opportunity so that they can, you know, can discover
the same things I discovered as a young person.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I was were saying and that
that it's that teaching that us learning, and that that's
the way we should present them when we talk about
them people, you know people was they they are too
often when people talk about but the Malcolm in sistervity,

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they would have made them sound almost super super human
and they were like so much the public. They were not.
They were human beings, just like we were and and
and and but they were they were able to do
it they do because they both ought. They both learned,

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they understood the imported from learning. They read, they traveled,
they uh uh kept on top of things, you know,
they listened, to the radio, they watched television, and they
did this because not for any any because they learned
from them. And then the information that they learned from

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doing that they passed on to us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
And and and to me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Uh, that whole process of learning and and we well
see we don't see and especially in this in this
country today, this the importance of learning and from from
from from from important people from from uh, from people
who who care about you, because you know, I that's

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the teacher cares and when you listen to them, you
can see that they care. You can actually feel it
that they care about uh. They care about you because
they have time to give you and to prepare you
to be able to continue doing on and pass it

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on to what they are. What they are passing on
to you, they want you to pass on to someone else,
and then that's someone else to pass it on to
someone else, you know. So what I learned from brother Bulcolm,
now I have great grandchildren, and I make sure that
my great grandchildren uh A learning some of the things

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that I learned from him. And and to me, that's
just absolutely critical. That's uh. When you when you take
up what I think about today, what I think about
my own you know, my birth and grandparents, and my
mom and dad and those kind of folks. I think
about what they taught me, what they taught me, and

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how what they taught me has to and they will
be to to you know, to uh to be in
this world that you know that we live in. And
then I try to pass on what I have learned
to you know, to to people under me. I shall,
and I constantly tell what I was teaching. I constantly
told my students, and I told the young members of

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our family that you must learn and that you must
pass on theirs. And of course that another thing that
brother Malcolm taught you never stop learning. The whole idea
that you know, you get to a certain point in
you know, where they don't need to know any more
because no, no, no, but Malcolm believes that you learn.

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You as long as you were walking around on referth
you were, you were learning and that and that that
you should then help to pass on what you were
learning to others who then passed on to others.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
So this whole idea that that you know, that that
the importance of learning knowing you sometimes you get the
idea future where you know you do all that now
you have to do anything that's just wrong. Man eighty
seven though, right, and learning with us of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
That, Peter, because we raised the clock and we come
up on a break. And thank you for calling in,
and thank you for speaking with Elasha, because I know
you guys have history together, being her being the daughter
of Malcolm and you being one of my Malcolm's in
confidence and one of the last persons who actually speaks
to brother Malcolm before the assassination of the Audubon ballroom.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Thank you again, Peter, And I want to thank her
for carrying on the lessons and the learning from things
that we learn from our parents.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Yeah, we're still learning you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
Yes, that's right, thank you, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Now. Actually, this this book that you said, this this
the the new the new edition of Autobiography of Malcolm X.
It's a hardcover, right, it's coming out.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
It's a yes, it is. It is coming out, And gosh,
they gave me some information. Yes, it will be available
on December eleventh at Symphony Space, and I believe after
uh it will be available at many you know, the

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regular places where we get books, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Because I was thinking it would make a great Quanta
present you know, quands just coming up with people looking
to exchange gifts. This would be the absolute best present
for Quanta, absolutely. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
I just want to just end this by saying, you know,
when my father said that we didn't land on land
on Plymouth Rock, the rock landed on us.

Speaker 15 (01:15:41):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
With that came the legacy of Christopher Columbus right, And
in the autobiography.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Can you hold that story for a second. We got
to check the news and traffick sure tell that story.
We got some folks want it. Talk to you as well. Family,
he can join our conversations with doctor Elisha Shabbaz. She's
one of Malcolm's daughters and she's debut in this new
book The Well, a new edition of the autobiography of
Malcolm X, is going to be a reading taking place

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in New York, and we're going to tell all about
the folks who are going to do with the readings.
People like Joe Morton's going to be there. They call
Hannah Jones and Moore. So we'll tell you all about
that when we get back. But we got to check
the news twenty four minutes away from the top there,
and we could take your calls and we speak with
doctor Elisha Shabaz after the news that's next. Thank you
family for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning, Grand
rising to those that you're just getting up, I guess
is doctor Elisha Shabba. She's the daughter of Malcolm X.

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Before we go back to it, let me just remind
you come up later this morning. We're gonna speak with
U doctor doctor A. Doctor A is a holistic and
a conventional medical doctor. She got health concerns. You need
to speak to her. She's going to issue her report,
the twenty twenty five Black Women Health Report coming up
and tomorrow we're going to be joined by civil rights
activists William Macossa Rix an economist, doctor Julie and Malvaux. So,

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if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your
radio locked in tight on ten ten w LB. Or
if you in the Washington, DC Metropolitan here the d
m V you can keep your radio tuned in right
here on fourteen fifty w o L. All right, doctor
Elisha Shabaz, un, let you finish your thought. Most questions
people want, Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
My goodness, finish my sword. I don't even remember my sword,
but it's il Yasa, Doctor il Yasa.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Just yeah, like Elijah, but Elasha.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
It's not like Elijah. It's il Yasa.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Let's talk about the event that's going to take place
tomorrow though, because this is this kicks off a year
long family spoke to RODNEYL. Collins, your cousin, and he
told us that there's a whole bunch of events are
taking place to because the one hundredth anniversary of Mac's birthday.
I guess this would be the first one. And this
is and you're gonna have a reading as people like

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actor Joe Morton is going to be there, I know.
And this is good family. It's gonna take the Symphony
Space in New York City. And let me see if
the other folks are going to be Johanni Klob is
going to be there as well, Nicole, Hannah Jones, You're
also James James are going to be there, and you're
also going to.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Do James Morton. Now remember James Mortin was on Scandal.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Yeah, he's going to be there as well, Joe.

Speaker 6 (01:18:13):
Morton, Joe Morriton, he was also Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Different parts.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
There's going to be a yes, it's going to be
a discussion. They're going to be reading different parts. You know,
it's going to be a great evening. I know what
I was talking. I was talking about Plymouth. Uh when
my father, you know, I often when I look and
think of my father, I always hear him say, we

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didn't land on Plymouth Rock. The rock lands it on us.
And I would look at the pictures of the people
in the audience. You know, they're in Harlem, they're on
the street, thousands and thousands of people, and I see
young boys looking up at my father, and women and
grown people. Because we did not know.

Speaker 16 (01:19:01):
Who we were.

Speaker 6 (01:19:02):
We didn't even know where we came from. And some
of us even still today, we don't know where we
came from. We don't know who we are. But we're
learning more and more. I think, you know, there's a
global consciousness of awareness which is just great. And you
know it's our young people. But I think the adults
we have to, you know, those of us who were

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inspired by the autobiography of Malcolms New York Times Best
on the New York Times bestseller List since nineteen sixty
five sixty six, we have to make sure that we
are passing these books on to our children, that we
are passing this information on when my father said, we

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didn't land on Plymouth Rock, the rock landed on us.
He unlifted. You know, the legacy of that Christopher Columbus,
you know, came with this notion of mis education. And
what I love from chapter ten t after eleven, it's
this whole.

Speaker 11 (01:20:03):
Like history lesson.

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
You know that we were already here before Christopher Columbus.

Speaker 11 (01:20:10):
We were all over the world.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
Before Christopher Columbus. The legacy of Christopher Columbus, and you know,
it is important that you know that this book fills
in the blanks. We should know who we are, we
should know why, you know why we're here. And I
think I was going somewhere along that it was something

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about the something about Plymouth Rock landed on us and
wanting to put it in perspective now as an older person.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Yeah, well, let me just say this a twelve way
from the top. Those folks. You know, some people there's
two hate groups. They eight us FDA, and those people
say they're not African. They're confused.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
This is what It's unfortunate. Yeah, and I don't know
it's right. And it's almost like, you see, that's why
this book is great. Right when he says, you have
to learn to think for yourself. Right, you need to know,
like the a whole lot of things that's right in
that book. Now, I feel like I want to I
have a whole lot of uh uh stuff that I

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want to say. But you know, who am I?

Speaker 8 (01:21:21):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
Who am I as a woman? Who am I as
a man? Who am I as a uh?

Speaker 8 (01:21:26):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
Whatever it is, however I identify myself in the world.
What's important is that we want to build a future
that's rooted in love, injustice and encourage right, and we
can only do that when we know who we are
and what is this information that we don't have? And
why are all of these things happening around the world,

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and and and and you know, we want peace, we
want human dignity. You know, we we turn on the internet,
we go scroll through our social media, and we can't
help but come across these horrific killings and things that
are happening around the world, and you have to ask yourself,

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why you know, and how am I connected to that?
And what can I do to help?

Speaker 14 (01:22:17):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
How can I make sure that I'm building a future
that's rooted in love and justice and courage and not
thinking something unattainable.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Gotcha ten away from the top of our Sister fahimas
online seven ones you speak to you, grind Rise and
sister Forhema.

Speaker 17 (01:22:35):
Thank you for taking my call, mister Nelson and Slama Lakum,
Doctor il Yasa Shabez. This is Fahima Sex. I was
a media coordinator for the International Black Women's Cross Cultural Institute.
And I don't know if you heard, but last year
around this time, doctor andre Nicola McLaughlin made her transition
to the Room of the Ancestors and I interviewed her,

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sister Joanna McLaughlin and Sophia Bendeli on her birthday. Marca Johnson,
the UH former governor of Lamone. She's going to be
having something in Costa Rica on doctor McLaughlin's behalf.

Speaker 16 (01:23:16):
And I just really know.

Speaker 17 (01:23:17):
Was your website the best way to get in touch
with you, to make you aware of the event.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
Yes, I love doctor McLachlan. Wasn't she at MegaR Evers?

Speaker 17 (01:23:29):
Yes, she was at MegaR Everson. You did come to
the retirement celebration UH they for her a few years
ago and also to many of the Shabbaz conversations at
the Shamberg Center.

Speaker 6 (01:23:43):
Yes, that's right, it's a it's a pleasure to meet you. Yes,
through the info at Eyasshabaz dot com.

Speaker 18 (01:23:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:23:53):
The last time I saw you, we were seated together
at the Shamberg Center.

Speaker 15 (01:23:59):
UH.

Speaker 17 (01:23:59):
Sonia Sanchez was in front of us, and I think
Camille y Aboro in the late Cheryl Byron were being honored.
And you did come to the anniversary at Columbia University.
So I'm gonna make sure that Marta does get that
information to you, so perhaps you'll be available to attend
the event for her in Costa Rica.

Speaker 11 (01:24:20):
Fantastic, Thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Yeah, anyway away from the top they are. I gotta
ask you again about these readings. Whose idea was this
to put this on?

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
You never listened. A bunch of individuals got together and
this isn't the first event this has been going on.
We had an event on May nineteenth, UH at the
Shabbaz Center, big huge event, award of Malcolm Betty Vanguard Awards.
Lauren Hill performs. There was a bunch of people there,

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Ben Crump, Jerry Lorenzo, Kyrie Irving. You know. The list
goes on and on. We've been having events to celebrate
Malcolm since May nineteen, twenty twenty five, and they will
continue to go on through the end of twenty twenty six. Yes,

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but you know, it's so important that all of the
adults bring young people. You know, we are the recipients
of a lot of great work that continues. You know,
people are continuing, continually trying to erase and it is
our responsibility. Just as my mother made sure when her

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husband was assassinated, and then you see there are pictures
of my father teaching his girls when he was still alive,
but when her husband was assassinated, she made sure that
her girls learned at home. It is our responsibility to
do that. And so when all of these beautiful, incredible
individuals who passed on legacies to us, these master teachers,

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as Apeter Bailey shared, it is now our responsibilities to
as the recipients, to grab on to some young people
and do the same. Because one of the things that
I have experienced is that you know, we learn, we

(01:26:25):
know about the civil rights movement, but what immediately followed
after the civil rights movement was the war on drugs,
And so we need to make sure that we are
holding our young people close that we are communicating with them,
and that we're sharing our stories with them so that
they can do the same. Otherwise, fifty years from now,

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other people are planning, they're strategizing, they're removing our history,
they are taking over, they are doing a whole lot
of things. And if we're not doing anything but enjoying ourselves,
then what happens to our to that history? You know?
And as I wrote and Betty before X, when Betty
saw her mother tell her that this information is not important,

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right that, and she threw that information because Betty was
reading a newspaper where she saw a riot happening, she
threw it in the trash.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
And she said, is that what we are do?

Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
We just throw our information away in a trash, you know?
And you know, and so it's our responsibility to make
sure that we are sharing this information, grabbing the hands
of our young people and bringing them to programs that
share this kind of information. And you know, and at
some point those seeds that are planted in them will sprout.

(01:27:44):
Well it might not be immediate, but they will eventually sprout,
just like they did for Malcolm. Malcolm had parents that
were in that is, stilled specific values. He did not
go to jail and miraculously walk out as Malcolm X.
He went to jail running from his identity against the
backdrop of Jim Crow. And when he was in jail,

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he was able to face all from which he was running,
and he was provided with all of these books that
he read. He was on the debate team, he debated
about capital punishment. There's just so much you know about
Malcolm that we don't know, and we don't know because
it negates the importance of family and the importance of mentors.

(01:28:28):
And so you know, it is important that we grab
these young people and we bring them to the program ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
And I got to ask you this question. Do you
think had he not gone to prison, he would still
be the same Malcolm that we know of today.

Speaker 6 (01:28:44):
Well, I think if Jim Crow didn't exist, yes, he
would be the same compassionate, organizer, leader, master, teacher, all
of those things because of the values that were instilled
in him by his parents. You know, it is we
forget what happened during slavery, We forget the trauma who

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comes up with these kinds of things. We forget the trauma.
We forget what happened after that with Jim Crow, what
about Tulsa, What about Lake Lamier. You know, there's so
many horrible things that have happened. Look at the young
babies who are taken. Look at the people who are
now being taken, you know, and shipped off to the

(01:29:28):
Latin world, you know, who are born here. I mean,
there's so much horror, you know that continues to happen.
And it's not until the majority of people around the
world who were good people come together and then figure
out how are we going to move forward? And so
you know, it is the reason I say that we

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want to build a future that's rooted in love, that's
rooted in courage, justice and the commitment to peace and
human dignity for everybody. And we have to have compacts
for Black people. We need compassion for latinas, we need
compassion for Palestinians. We need compassion for the people and
congo for I mean, all around the world, the same

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thing is happening by the same kind of people. It's
happening by bad people to good people. So let the
good people come together and not focus on our complexions. Right,
that's an opportunity for us to learn and build and
be better human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Listen, We've got to check the traffic. I don't know
how much time you have, you can, I'll let you
finish up.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
I don't have any more time, sir, okay, all right.
So honored and grateful that you took the time out
to have me on your show. I really appreciate it
and I look forward to being a community with everyone.
So thank you so much, and have a beautiful day.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
We thank you, and I'll give out the information about
the event taking place tomorrow when we get back from
the traffic. Thank you again.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Thank you too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Away from the top of hoist, I make sure we
got to check the traffic and weather at different cities.
We come back. Also to A is going to join us.
You want to speak to doctor A, reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take the calls. And Grand Rising family,
thanks you for making a serial choice. This Wednesday morning,
coming up, our guest will be doctor A. She's a
medical doctor, conventional medical doctor, also holistic doctor, a naturopathic doctor,

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and she's going to issue her report on Black women's
health for twenty twenty five. And if you have any
health challenges. You need to speak with doctor A again.
Our number is eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. And folks, don't be bachelor when it
comes to your health. Please don't be bachelor and take
advantage of her expertise before we go to her there,
let me just finish up with a doctor. Elisha Shabbaz,
Malcolm's daughter, was just on momentarily because they're having an

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event tomorrow in New York at the Symphony Space. Is
they're going to celebrate Malcolm's as tentenary actually would be
the one hundredth anniversary of his death, and they're doing
with the book of his birth. I'm sorry, and they're
doing and they're writing a book, the Autobiography of Malcolm X.
The new edition is coming out and this is a
hardcover edition. You can have readings by actor Joe Morton,

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discussions with Politic Prize winning writers and Nicole Hannah Jones
James La James, author organizer. Of course, it's going to
be there as well. Alisa Shabbaz, Malcolm's third daughter, she's
going to be part of it, and Jelani Cobby is
going to be one of theirs as well, so there's
a whole bunch of folks gonna be and they're gonna
be reading parts of Malcolm X's autobiography, and they know

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they've got to talk about Alex Haley, who wrote the
original book. And so this is a new edition that's
coming out as part of the year long celebration of
Malcolm's birth that's going to start, well, let's say they
started right now. It's going to go through twenty twenty six. Though,
if you've listened through while you've known, you've heard Malcolm's
cousin speak about that as well. So we got for
more information on that. So just those of you in

(01:32:44):
the New York City area, because there's still a chance
to get tickets to because this is gonna be a
fantastic event, and you could go to the Symphony Space
and you find out more information about that event that's
taking place. One of the good things I like what
she said, though people, our people are confused. They don't
know who we are. Know thyself, and that's part of
the problem. This is why ostro Quasi tells us all
the time, know thyself. A lot of these folks they

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don't know who they are, so they'll tell you anything
and you'll believe them and you don't understand what's going on.
So I thank you, thank you doctor Elisha Shabaz for
join us this morning. Anyway, let's turn our attention now
to doctor A grind Rising, Doctor A welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 11 (01:33:20):
Thank you, Carl, and I'm so glad to be together
with this Carl Nelson National family. The nationwide audience is
so wide awake and so conscientious, Carl, that we've got
to do inventory now at years in that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Before we do the inventory, though, what's the report card
you have for Black women with health for this year?

Speaker 11 (01:33:43):
Well, we are finishing off the year of twenty twenty five.
I'm very proud that my solro are from Texas, Jasmine
Crockett is now running for Senate. We have made a
few accomplishments, Carl, but when it comes to the health
of the black woman, we have to say the l
We get an F at the end of twenty twenty five.

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And it's not because we are losers. It's because the
United States of America that brought us here for the
most part in shackles, that brought us here as the
backbone of America, that brought us here as the mule
of this country, not just to breastfeed white men and
all other babies, not just to pick the cotton, not

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just to be raped and mutilated. So we have a
full spectrum of color from the motherland. But we also
have failed to basically be acknowledged by this country. The
structural racism in America has resulted, Carl, in death statistics
for pregnant Black.

Speaker 16 (01:34:45):
Women that are no different than the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 11 (01:34:48):
That that is one hundred years.

Speaker 16 (01:34:50):
Ago, damn near.

Speaker 11 (01:34:51):
So the point is we do get an f and
until we as black women take our own accountability and
become responsible for our our own excellence and healthcare, Caral,
we're going to continue to be failed by this country.
This country was not built for us. They labeled us
three fifths of a human being. That's not an accident, Carl,

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They put that into law. So the way black women
are treated in twenty twenty five, we haven't.

Speaker 16 (01:35:17):
Come that far from that three fifths of the human being.
We are failing. The country is failing us.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Having said that, what can we do doctor a accountability, Carl.

Speaker 11 (01:35:29):
The beauty of the error that we live in right now,
we are not the slaves on the plantation who would
be whooped, if not killed, for being literate. There is
no excuse for Black America not to be literate. It
is no longer the law that we cannot gather and
that we cannot read.

Speaker 16 (01:35:48):
We should be a very, very actively.

Speaker 11 (01:35:51):
Reading group of people people in this country that are
African American, people in this country that are of color.
We need to turn the TV off, Carl. Okay, all
this Netflix and Paramount and the foolishness and the indoctrination.
Can we stop it? Do we recognize what happened when

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the television was created and there were.

Speaker 16 (01:36:15):
No black images whatsoever.

Speaker 11 (01:36:17):
It was a new means to mentally and emotionally, psychologically demoralize.

Speaker 16 (01:36:24):
African people, and we bought into it.

Speaker 11 (01:36:26):
We are the most TV watching population, We are the
most social media engaged population. Our ethnicity has got to
dis engage from the media. Disconnect from the media except
the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 16 (01:36:40):
Okay, we want to stay engaged.

Speaker 11 (01:36:42):
In revolutionary thinking, thinking that allows us to express authenticity.
But when it comes to the indoctrination on the boob tube,
we've got to turn it off and read a few
more books. Carl we need to know our history, Carl.
We have a whole generation of children that don't even
know about September eleventh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Now, yeah, that's and that's sad that you know, we
have to do better. And one of the things too,
you mentioned those those some of those movies and events
that are on TV. We what we do internalize them
and mimic them. We seem to have a protective activity,
if you will, to act out what we see on TV.
How do we break that? Though? Is this is something

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mental and emotional.

Speaker 11 (01:37:26):
Issues that some of us have, Well, that's such a
poignant question, Carl. The bottom line is this, we do
have to believe science. So no more so than we
should be walking around talking about the world is flat
and that sounds ignorant.

Speaker 16 (01:37:40):
When we know it's round. We should not be walking
around aware that we were enslaved people. And we're in
a country that wants us to.

Speaker 6 (01:37:50):
Remember the Holocaust, Remember the Alamo, remember.

Speaker 11 (01:37:54):
Everything except slavery.

Speaker 16 (01:37:57):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:37:57):
Donald Trump wants to delete REAC and anything that makes
a white man feel bad about himself or ashamed of himself,
or feel some sense of guilt. He wants to burn
those books, ban those books, eliminate that education. He wants
to eliminate the fact that we have Martin Luther King
Day and make Trump Day. He wants to eliminate the

(01:38:20):
Golf of Mexico and call it the Golf of America.
He wants to rewrite Google Maps. If our children are
not educated, we are really in deep, deep trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Carl got you ten a half of the top of
the are and family. Let me just say that you've
got a health concern and health challenge. This is lady.
You need to pose those questions to please, please take
advantage of her expertise. Don't sit there and hope that
somebody has a similar problem. They're going to call in.
You've got to be proactive and reach out to us.
At eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, Sondra Romas is join us from Washington, DC.

(01:38:53):
Has a question for you. She's online too, Grand Rising, Sondra.

Speaker 9 (01:38:57):
Grand Rising, call and Grand Rising doctor a as usual.
You have all a whole lot to say that. It
is so so truthful. I want to welcome you to WOL.
To call Nelson University. WOL means we offer love. Let's

(01:39:22):
keep love alive three sixty five. God is love. Love
comes from God above, and love makes you feel so good.
And Doctor A, I'm telling you as far as me
feel how i'm feeling. You are a doctor. I love

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you and your mother, and I'm telling you I was
looking forward to listening to doctor A because I knew
that a doctor couldn't give me appeal to make me
feel this thrilled I'm getting from you, and I looked
forward to listening to you. So I just want to

(01:40:06):
let you know that I had to say hello to
you and of course your mother, Bernita Thompson. I'm saying
good morning, but I'm gonna tell you I don't have
to come on here and tell anybody about how I'm
feeling because I'm loving, I'm listening, and I'm learning Doctor A.

(01:40:28):
I will be getting in touch with you concerning the patches,
but I love you, and I'm gonna let someone else speak.
Have a blessed day and be saved.

Speaker 11 (01:40:42):
Sandra, thank you for being a consistent, Doctor A. And
Carl Nelson fan, you are so loyal, you are so proactive.
I love your enthusiasm. And let me just say to
the nationwide audience some things that you spoke are quite potent.
Number One one, we're praying people as African people. We

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knew about prayer before slavery was ever created. We know
about prayer before dehumanization was ever actualized. We know about
prayer before global colonization ever took place. We have an
abnormal access to the creator, we really do. We have
a supernatural access to the creator. And this is what

(01:41:25):
Sondras Robinson called to talk about. She talks about the
word love. Well, let me tell you something, African people.
There are vibratory tones, regardless of.

Speaker 16 (01:41:35):
Language, that come across. Even a plant and an animal.

Speaker 11 (01:41:39):
Can receive the energy and the vibrations of hatred, demoralization,
degradation versus upliftment, empowerment, and love. There are actual movies.

Speaker 16 (01:41:52):
There's what the bleep do we know?

Speaker 11 (01:41:54):
An excellent DVD that talks about how you can actually
change the vibratory innergy of water. You can pour a
glass of water and watch the atoms change.

Speaker 16 (01:42:07):
When you speak hatred versus when you speak love.

Speaker 11 (01:42:10):
You can have a plant in your house caral and
nurture that plant verbally verbally, the same as we do
with Black children. Nurture the plant and watch it prosper
versus speak hate and venom to the plant and watch
it deteriorate. The same is true, Caral for the cells
of our body. So many of us are wrapped up

(01:42:32):
in self hatred. Many of us are wrapped up in
low self esteem. We are the opposite of what Sondra
Robinson just spoke, empowering ourselves with love. And guess what
that helps to manifest? Disease. So, yes, a woke consciousness, okay,
which Trump hates, But it's a fact of not being
dumbed down, not being manipulated, not being controlled, not being demoralized,

(01:42:58):
and not being programmed by his media largely controlled.

Speaker 16 (01:43:02):
Now his cronies, all of it.

Speaker 11 (01:43:06):
We see conglomerates of media, Carl being monopolized. It's like
the Monopoly game has come to life at the end
of twenty twenty five. And if we don't wake up,
start listening to Carl Nelson and other specified engaged programming,
and then disconnect and begin to read. You know, back

(01:43:26):
when I was born, Carl, my mother used to take me,
even before I could go to daycare, to these think tanks.
Black power think tanks were all over the country. We've
stopped that over a generation ago. We've got three generations
now that did not benefit from think tank curl. So
guess what we have dumbed down people, dumbed down people.

(01:43:50):
It's not biological, it's conditioning. It's not nature, it's nurture.
We're not nurturing the African spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
All right, They've got a step aside, but we do it.
I got a tweet question for you, and I'll let
you think about this tweet while we take a break.
A tweeter, says a grand rising doctor A. Neuropathy is
a disease that causes the symptoms of pain and numbness
in body extremities, especially the legs and feet. What natural
remedies can you offer as beneficial to the healing of neuropathy?

(01:44:19):
And I'll let you respond that when we get back. Family,
you too can join this conversation. You got a health
question or a health concerner, you know somebody who does?
Please please take advantage of doctor A's expertise. You don't
have to use your real name with your real city.
We don't want to. You know some folks that want
people know the business. I get it, but please take
advantage for it, because this is all you got your health,
Nobody else will do it for you, So reach out

(01:44:40):
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and will take your phone calls next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on
this Wednesday morning, this humpday. We're halfway through the work
week with our guests, Doctor A. Let me say it again.
If you've got a health challenge or I know somebody
who does, please give us a call at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Been to

(01:45:00):
the doctor recently, you know what I'm talking about. You
get ten to fifteen minutes max and you're out next
with Doctor A. And you've got questions still, maybe you're
too embarrassed to ask. You don't have to use your
real name or your real city. But take advantage because
you know what's coming up, the Obamacare. They're trying to
get rid of that, so it's going to cost you
more at the end of the year. It started next year,
so this is you keep that in the back of

(01:45:21):
your mind if you have any health concerns, and you know,
you're sort of apprehensive of speaking with the guys in
the white coat and what doctor A can give you
a holistic response as well as a traditional medical response.
But anyway, let me go back to the tweet question
for you. Doctor A. Tweeter says neuropathy is a disease
that causes the symptoms of pain and numbness in the
body extremities, especially the legs and feet, And the person asks,

(01:45:44):
what natural remedies can you offer as beneficial to the
healing of neuropathy.

Speaker 11 (01:45:50):
Okay, Carl, I'm going to get right to the point.
Although I know neuropathy affects millions of our people across
this country. Again, as the caller said, it can result
from a number of conditions from diabetes to multiple sclerosis.
There are multiple factors that can cause the neuropathy. But

(01:46:13):
once you've been diagnosed with a neuropathy, there's some holistic
things that you can do. Wholeisted things are going to
focus on natural approaches. Supplement such as alpha lipoic acid
that's an antioxidant that improves nerve signaling. The B vitamins
are also essential for nerve health, so deficiencies are linked

(01:46:36):
to neuropathy. Fish oil. I've talked many times on your
show about Omega three fatty acids. They reduce inflammation, so
you can put in your diet and you can take
as a supplement omega three fatty acids, Magnesium and calcium
have roles in nerve function. Also, acetyl al carnatine, so

(01:47:01):
a fetyle l carnatine is a supplement that can reduce
the amount of nerve pain that you're feeling from the neuropathy.
Various people have neuropathy, Carl, in different places in the body,
and often once you're diagnosed with neuropathy, it's a progressive
lifetime diagnosis. So in terms of your lifestyle, mind body therapy,

(01:47:23):
you want to alter your diet to a really anti
inflammatory diet. This rich in omega three fatty acids. You
want to reduce your sugar and process food. You want
to hydrate. I've off told your audience you need to
be drinking half your body weight in water. Acupuncture is useful,
warm baths, yoga, high chi and then Carl I spoke

(01:47:48):
the last time I was on air about a wearable
light technology, So if you're interested in that as remedy
for neuropathy, I know multiple people who have used patches
to alleviate neuropathy. Sondra Robinson mentioned that off air, she's
going to contact me about that. If you're interested in
wearable light technology to reduce the symptom of neuropathy holistically

(01:48:13):
without side effect, lifewave dot com backslash doctor Emerson, you
can go to that website and learn more about Activate
and Elevate with X thirty nine. That's wearable light technology,
no medication, no digestive effect. It literally activates infrared technology

(01:48:37):
to utilize your own stem cells to reduce pain throughout
your body. And I have multiple testimonies of people who've
had significant relief, So Carl, there are multiple things that
people can do outside of Western medicine. Is not to
say don't go to your physician. See one of the

(01:48:57):
things we have is a benefit thus far in this
country public education and public health. So don't deny yourself
that you have access. People in third world countries don't.
But when you go to a healthcare provider and you
get the proper testing and whatever prescribed diagnoses, whatever prescriptions,
then you can add to that your own holistic lifestyle

(01:49:22):
and non side effect technologies that help your body to
heal itself. We have a healing power with our own body,
and we need to learn to activate that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Carl all right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Twenty five to top, Mick is calling from New Jersey
Issues Online one grand Rise and Mickey, you're own with
doctor A.

Speaker 6 (01:49:42):
Good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:49:43):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 11 (01:49:44):
Yes, Mickey, we got you.

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
Hi.

Speaker 18 (01:49:48):
Oh, it's a pleasure to have you.

Speaker 10 (01:49:50):
Oh.

Speaker 18 (01:49:51):
I love your show, Carl is awesome. I'm from New Jersey.
I have a lot of questions. I have one question
about vitamin B. But I want to say I love
doctor A because she brings she brings life into assistance
and literally because she she U c U to the

(01:50:13):
to delivered babies too. But but on top of that,
ID and I do want to get those patches doctor
that's a A. My question is about vitamin D. I'm
always indoor and I worked the graveyard shift.

Speaker 11 (01:50:29):
What do you.

Speaker 18 (01:50:29):
Recommend for vitamin D because besides going into the sun.

Speaker 11 (01:50:38):
Excellent question, Mackie, that's a phenomenal question. And the interesting
thing about you bringing that up is that November is
actually Vitamin D awareness month, so it is very important
that our nationwide audience understands vitamin D. Make sure you
put your call on mute so that you can you

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can and hear me well on the air. But basically,
twentieth century children in Europe and northern United States developed
rickets because of lack of sun exposure. So the fact
that we sit on our computer mickey twenty four to seven,
we're working from home, we are never going outside. We're
in pajamas twenty four hours a day. Very unhealthy. Melanated

(01:51:23):
people take longer to absorb vitamin D from the sun,
so our exposure has to be over a longer amount
of time to get the same absorption as our white counterparts.
There are vitamin D supplements and everyone should be getting
their vitamin D level checked by their healthcare provider at
this point. There are known connections with vitamin D deficiency

(01:51:47):
and a lot of different medical conditions, from depression to
anxiety to physical conditions. As I said, in the twentieth century,
we had rickets. Now you can experience fatigue, bone pain,
muscle weakness, mood changes, infections, wound healing problems, severe causes

(01:52:09):
of not just rickets, but osteomylaysia, which is weak bones
that are in the adult population. So we've got to
become very serious about understanding our vitamin D level and
getting ourself to sufficiency. As much as we consume in
terms of food and caloric intake. It really is deplorable

(01:52:32):
that we are still experiencing a level of deficiency of
basic vitamins.

Speaker 10 (01:52:38):
But we are.

Speaker 11 (01:52:39):
It's not just your sunlight exposure. As you said, Mickey,
you can take supplements of vitamin D three. You can
also in your diet make it rich in fatty fish,
fourtified milk, cereals, orange juice, sesame seeds are an excellent
source of vitamin D. So yes, let's google and find out.

(01:53:00):
Let's become hyper aware of vitamin D and the role
it has. Let's not just depend on the sun.

Speaker 16 (01:53:07):
We cannot do that.

Speaker 11 (01:53:08):
We're in the winter, this is the season of darkness
and the longest night. We've got to be proactive, and
it starts with knowing your level. Get your vitamin D
level tested, rich enrich your diet with vitamin D rich foods.

Speaker 16 (01:53:25):
Know what vitamin D rich.

Speaker 11 (01:53:26):
Foods are so that you are not experiencing the chronic
conditions that come about from the deficiency. Thank you for calling, Mickey,
thank you for your love and your support.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
All right, thirty minutes out of the top that famine.
I'll say it again, if you know someone who's got
a health challenge, or you have a health challenge, or
just some questions or just a second opinion. Lady, you
need to talk to you because a lot of times
you don't get to talk to doctors, and you don't
get to talk to doctors who are both traditional medical
doctors and also holistic Nagel panic doctors, because doctor A
can give you both sides, and because some people, you know,

(01:53:58):
let's say, this is the pharmacy people give you if
you take a medicine or a tablet or pill or whatever,
those side effects. Am I correcting saying that doctor today?

Speaker 11 (01:54:10):
You're one thousand percent correct, Carl. And the problem with
the side effects, Carl, we are so indoctrinated that many
of us we're experiencing side effects from various prescriptions, and
we are not even reporting these things to our healthcare providers.
We are not even alerted that this is a warning,
this is a red flag that the chemistry of this

(01:54:32):
pharmacological product may not be jibing with our body. That's
a real thing. Side effects are real, and they can
wind you up in the hospital, if not kill you.
You know, you could be treating something with your vision
and Now you end up with you know, dizziness, you
end up with migrain headaches, you end up with digestive issues,

(01:54:55):
you end up with circulatory issues. There are things that
make your penis it's direct, but can make you blind.
Everything that is a prescription from western medicine comes with
a side effect. So what we're talking to you about
today is fortifying yourself with something. The worst case scenario
is it does nothing. There's not going to be a

(01:55:16):
whole laundry list of horrible side effects when you're fortifying
with natural things that God put on the earth.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
All right, I just people just tweeting me. I'm looking
at tweets. But let's go to Maxine and calling from
Michelottesville in Virgin Issues online too, Grand Rising, Maxine, you're
on with doctor A.

Speaker 8 (01:55:34):
Good morning, Good morning, doctor A. Thank you so much
for taking my call. I'm interested in a natural way
to deal with gird as the grief.

Speaker 11 (01:55:44):
Of Okay, well, that's wonderful.

Speaker 16 (01:55:49):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 11 (01:55:51):
How long have you been suffering with this?

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:55:54):
Well over two years now. I did not I rejected
the medicines that the doctor, you know, those proton pump inhibitors.
I would get a headache from that. So I rejected that,
and I've started on my path using golden seal, using

(01:56:19):
as much natural herbs as I can.

Speaker 11 (01:56:23):
But let me let me ask you two things, Maxine.
Number one, are you a smoker? Number two? What is
your age?

Speaker 8 (01:56:30):
Number one? I am not a smoker. Number two, I'm
seventy seven.

Speaker 11 (01:56:36):
Okay, wonderful. So here are my suggestions. Firstly, for the
nationwide audience. Maxine is a very proactive, knowledgeable woman. Let
me catch the national audience up. Gastro esophagil reflux disease.
That was the cause of death for my maternal grandfather.

(01:56:57):
It is very personal to me. Esophageal reflux disease is heartburn, okay.
It's a chronic digestive condition where the stomach acid is
being regurgitated back into your throat or esophagus. Therefore, your
symptoms or heartburn regurgitation, chest pain. Many people even go

(01:57:18):
to the er thinking they're having a heart attack.

Speaker 16 (01:57:21):
That's how painful it can be.

Speaker 11 (01:57:22):
You can have difficulties swallowing. You often have a weak
lower esophageal sphincter. So Maxine, the first thing is to
understand causality, which is why I ask your age and
whether or not you smoke, because what is the cause
of the sphincter? Okay, there is basically a drainage problem.

(01:57:43):
The sphincter is a muscle that squeezes like our anus squeezes.
And we don't just defecate without voluntary release. Right, we
choose to go to the bathroom, We choose to make
a number two. We may be flatulent until we make
that choice, but we don't just release without voluntary command.

(01:58:06):
So the same should be true at the esophagus. When
you swallow something and it goes in your stomach, why
is it going backwards back into your throat?

Speaker 16 (01:58:16):
Okay, so ginger ginger.

Speaker 11 (01:58:19):
Is something we use as obgu I NS Mickey mentioned,
I've delivered thousands of babies the grace of God. I
touched them before their mommy even touches them. And so
pregnant women suffer what heartburn? Pregnant women have physiologic changes
that worse than heartburn tenfold. Even if they never had
it in life, they're likely to have it in pregnancy.

(01:58:42):
Aging worsens heartburn, smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, spicy food, process food,
all these things make heartburn worse. Yes, they're over the
counter things like thumbs rolaids, but ginger is what we
have holistically, ginger candy, ginger tea ginger in every form

(01:59:04):
imaginable to really reduce the symptom of regurgitating acid from
your stomach back into your throat. Your lifestyle, you want
to elevate the head of your bed again, eliminate the
trigger foods and the trigger drinks. Stop smoking for those
who are smokers. Your clothing can matter, so you want

(01:59:27):
to wear loose fitting clothing, especially around the abdomen.

Speaker 16 (01:59:30):
There are times where.

Speaker 11 (01:59:31):
Medications can be useful and Matt seeing you mentioned five effects.
Like Carl and I talked about, you want to ask
your health care provider are their alternatives that are prescription alternatives,
because I'm not aware of the severity of your condition.
My grandfather took every medication known to man and then
actually had to have surgery to correct the reflux of

(01:59:56):
acid into his throat. He elevated the head of his bed,
almost had to sleep standing up. It was so painful.
He went into that surgery and we never saw him
again because he was in his seventies and he had
a surgical complication postoperatively, so as we age, our likelihood
of complication from elective surgery. Again, that's how Kanye West

(02:00:19):
lost his mother.

Speaker 16 (02:00:20):
Trying to get bigger titties, smaller titties. Whatever.

Speaker 11 (02:00:24):
It was cosmetic elective surgery. It was not a cataract
surgery or something that was medically needed, as she wanted
to become more attractive, and instead she met the creator.
When we age, we've got to think even more mindfully
about whether or not we are a candidate for surgery.

(02:00:45):
So Maxine, my recommendations. Definitely change your lifestyle. Definitely change
your diet. Obesity is also associated with an increase in
heartburn for physiological reasons. Is basic physics, okay, So weight loss,
dietary management, walking, regularly drinking alkaline water, changing all the

(02:01:12):
process foods out of your diet to become more holistic.
These are the things that can naturally eliminate the symptom
of GIRD from your life. Thank you for calling Maccine.

Speaker 8 (02:01:22):
But doctor A.

Speaker 11 (02:01:25):
Yes, Maxine, Wow, she was going to ask something else,
I thought.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
I think she hung up. But we've got to step
beside any antic shortbreak. So when we come back, we've
got some more folks want to talk to you family,
you want to reach out to. Our guest is doctor Ah.
She's a natural pathic doctor. She's also a traditional medical doctor,
so you have a choice. Very few doctors are like
this and either one or the other, especially the medical doctors.
They don't want to tell her that you can use
something natural to relieve you whatever concern you have. But

(02:01:54):
doctor A will do it. All you have to do
is call her up at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.
Next and Grand Rising family in thanks you for staying
with us on this Wednesday morning. This is a hum day.
We're halfway through the work week with our guest, Doctor A.
As I mentioned, she's a holistic doctor. She's also a
traditional medical doctor as well, so you get both sides
on health. Is the Please take care of your health.

(02:02:15):
That's all I'm going to say. You got to be
proactive when it comes to your health because nobody else will.
You know, it's yours. You've got to protect it, especially
getting older these days. Before we go back to the Lemons,
remind you're coming up tomorrow. We're gonna hear from civil
rights active is a Willie Macassa Rich. You know, he
marched with doctor King Stogey call Michael Kwame Terray. Also
Marion Barry was a pot of snake, so all those folks.

(02:02:38):
So he's going to be here tomorrow along with the
economist doctor Julian Malveaux. So if you're in the Baltimore
are make sure you've radio is lottin tight on ten
ten WLBO for the Washington d C Metropolitan Here the DMV.
We're on fourteenth fifty w l All right, Roberts calling
is from Baltimore. Doctor A is online one, Grand Rising, Robert.
Your question for doctor A is Robert down line one, Kevin.

(02:03:03):
All right, let's move to line too. Then I three,
I'm sorry, Hello, Yes who is this? Yes? Who is this?

Speaker 12 (02:03:13):
Robert?

Speaker 1 (02:03:13):
Okay, Robert, you your question for doctor A?

Speaker 3 (02:03:17):
Okay, I like to know.

Speaker 12 (02:03:18):
Uh I heard some stuff over over on online, but
uh I like to know it is oldmeal.

Speaker 14 (02:03:24):
Good for you.

Speaker 12 (02:03:25):
I hate it every morning for repers.

Speaker 11 (02:03:30):
Well, firstly, let me say grand Rise into you, Robert,
thank you for calling. Where are you calling from? Well,
tou A City, Okay, wonderful that I'm from the DMV,
So I love that you're representing from that area. Uh
number one, what is your age, Robert, I'm sixty seven, Okay, wonderful.

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Oatmeal is a form of an excellent source of fiber.
Fiber is something that can make our digestive system work
a thousand times better. So as opposed to starting your
morning with something sugary and starting your morning with processed food,
oatmeal is wonderful. Now when you are preparing actual oats,

(02:04:19):
real oats as opposed to some process down form of oatmeal,
that's even better, Roberts. So if you actually take the
Quaker oats or some of the brand oats and you
cook that in water, prepare it with whatever natural supplements
that you want. Honey is wonderful, Agave is wonderful, Cinnamon

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is wonderful.

Speaker 16 (02:04:44):
All of these things.

Speaker 11 (02:04:45):
Help to fortify that breakfast but also help to make
it palatable, and those things meanwhile augment the healing process
of your body. Cinnamon has multiple healing powers. God is
a wonderful natural sweetener as opposed to white sugar.

Speaker 4 (02:05:05):
So yes.

Speaker 11 (02:05:06):
For multiple things that we could choose for breakfast, oatmeal
is one of the better ones, Doctor A.

Speaker 12 (02:05:13):
The oatmeal that I eat is a quicker quicker brand,
and it has a Walnutch dates and raisins in it.
And I'm a diabetic, so I don't put it's no sugar.
I don't have no sugar to it. I think the
raisins are the natural sweetener that I I mean, I
like the I like the brand that I get.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
So is that okay.

Speaker 11 (02:05:37):
Walnuts are also studied to be very very beneficial to
the brain. So as you age, you know you have
now AARP status. Robert, It's very important that you continue
to fortify your body with walnuts. I like the things
that you're putting in this oatmeal to prepare yourself a

(02:05:57):
breakfast that's wholesome and that's fortified. Now what's important is
you said you're diabetic. Unfortunately, Quaker does make forms of
oatmeal that have a very high sugar content and they
practically give you more sugar than fiber. So you'd want
to read labels and nationwide audience, we want to be
a knowledgeable people. All of us need to be reading labels,

(02:06:21):
not just the diabetics in our community. Many of us
are undiagnosed diabetics. We don't even have the knowledge Robert
has about his health about our own self awareness, So
you could be walking around diabetic and don't know it.
That happened to my own husband, and he was seeing
physicians regularly and still went under the radar with diabetes.

(02:06:42):
Diabetes is deadly, especially when undiagnosed. We've got to know,
and we should all as adults over twenty five years
of age or anybody would obesity regardless of age. You
want to have a basic running knowledge. What is your
basic average blowood pressure, What is your average blood sugar.

(02:07:03):
You could check a fasting blood sugar first thing in
the morning, and you can check a blood sugar two
hours after consuming a meal. Your blood sugar should be
under one hundred and twenty when you're consuming a meal,
preferably under ninety when you first wake up in the
morning and you're fasting overnight. So certainly, if you're checking

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blood sugars and you're looking at two hundreds to four hundreds.

Speaker 4 (02:07:26):
That's not good. That's not good.

Speaker 11 (02:07:28):
Whether it's resulting from your body and you don't make insulin,
or it's resulting from your eating too much sugar in
massive quantities all at once, it still is a red
flag to change your behavior. Robert, you're on the right track.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Thank you, Thanks for Robert thirteen Away from the Top.
That with doctor A. Again, she's a traditional doctor and
also a holistic doctor as well. She gave two for
one with doctor A. You can reach her an eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight to seventy six. James
is in d and that's a question for doctor A.
Grand Rising James here on with doctor A. Is James

(02:08:07):
there online? Three?

Speaker 10 (02:08:08):
Hello?

Speaker 19 (02:08:10):
All right, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
Hello, Yeah, is this James?

Speaker 3 (02:08:19):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
Grand Rising brother.

Speaker 10 (02:08:23):
That's my question.

Speaker 20 (02:08:24):
Is my my prostate levels? My PSA I should say
it's about two nine one. Is there any way those
through Duyeton? Is there any way those numbers could be
reduced or be lord?

Speaker 16 (02:08:41):
Okay, James.

Speaker 17 (02:08:42):
First of all, thank you for calling in.

Speaker 11 (02:08:44):
Thank you for being a part of the Carl Nelson
listenership across this country. Where are you calling us from
to learn about prostate cancer and PSA levels?

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
DC?

Speaker 11 (02:08:56):
Okay, wonderful. The DMV is woke today.

Speaker 16 (02:08:59):
You guys are up and participating.

Speaker 11 (02:09:01):
I'm super proud of my hometown region. First of all,
black men are disproportionately affected by prostate cancer. High PSA
level can indicate the cancer, especially if it's going up. So, Robert,
it's not just a matter of your number, but whether
or not that number has been going up or been

(02:09:24):
going down. While levels under four nanograms per milli liter
are often considered normal, results will vary by age, race,
size of your prostates, so a single number is not diagnostic.
Do you have a urologist, Robert, that has been tracking

(02:09:44):
your numbers?

Speaker 5 (02:09:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (02:09:47):
Yeah, I'm working on Johns Hopkins right now.

Speaker 11 (02:09:50):
Oh yes, I love even though Johns Hopkins is certainly
the institution we know that took the heel of cells
from Henrietta Lacks and profited, although they claim they did not,
Sure you did it. Medical research across the world was
done with the heel of cells without her permission, without

(02:10:12):
her compensation, So they can take credit for that, but
you know what that means, they owe us. So I'm
so proud of you for getting top notch care at
John Tompkins. How long have they been following you with
your prostate?

Speaker 20 (02:10:25):
Trying about since April?

Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (02:10:28):
Okay, so in this one calendar you know he'll do
that year?

Speaker 20 (02:10:33):
Yeah, yes, yeah, April twenty twenty five, okay.

Speaker 11 (02:10:36):
So not even a full year, just within this one
calendar year. Has your number gone down or up?

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (02:10:42):
You know what, No, my numbers have gone up. But
let me take that back. It has been April twenty
twenty four, but my numbers, my numbers have gone up,
because it was like that the two hasn't gone up
a lot according to them, because because at first I
went through I was I had a doctor him and Delaware.
But my numbers was like a two six earlier this year,

(02:11:06):
like a two four, like back in Marshall twenty twenty five.
It was like two four or two six one or
the other. And then when I went to the doctor
last month, they said that that's not a big increase,
but I don't know.

Speaker 11 (02:11:20):
Well, no, it's not a big increase. And again your
number is below four, as I said, So as a
general criteria, it's important for you to know, James. You know,
when we think about numbers in the PSA that are
below four, that is really not considered a high risk number.
Numbers between four and ten are borderline. And then when

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you're over ten, now you're in serious condition. Okay, so
you're being tested at Johns Hopkins for the prostate specific antigen.
Why were you even referred to Johns Hopkins.

Speaker 13 (02:11:55):
Why are they following this because a couple of years
ago a doctor who I was seeing a bloom of
pearl on PC he saw that my numbers was going up,
going up slightly and then it was like a two four.

Speaker 20 (02:12:11):
It was like around a two four I think, then
a two six, and then well it was lower than that.
Actually this was back in October. It was like around
late twenty twenty three, because I because I was I
was diagnosed like what January twenty six or twenty of
last year, twenty what twenty twenty four, January twenty twenty four,

(02:12:34):
So yeah, so that's that's when I was diacnosed. And
then then I because I went through Thomas Effstone Hospital
and I went to a Delaware doctor, and then then
I went to the DC doctor. Well John's costin in DC.
I just wanted to get different opinions on my next
steps because right now I'm an un the act of
surveillance right now.

Speaker 11 (02:12:54):
Yes, you are so. Number one. The main thing I
want to highlight for the national audience, James, is that
you are seeking out multiple opinions within the medical community proactively.
You know, You're not somebody being treated for prostate cancer.
You're somebody being monitored for your PSA level to make

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sure it's.

Speaker 16 (02:13:16):
Not going up.

Speaker 11 (02:13:17):
You are really doing the highest level of care that
we want black men to be doing. In addition to
monitoring PSA levels, there are radiologic studies that can identify
whether or not we're dealing with a tumor or another condition.
There are other causes of an elevated PSA which, again

(02:13:37):
to clarify, yours is not elevated. Okay, yours is within
a normal range, But we always want to make that
personal because you're not a number. You're a human being,
and so your doctor is the person that does the
prostate exam, that knows you as a human being, that
understands your medical and family history and puts this one

(02:14:02):
lab value into reality for you. So the fact that
you're being surveyed is wonderful. It's wonderful. There are other
conditions for the nationwide audience, like prostatitis, like age, like
recent activities, or procedures like urinary track infections, or like

(02:14:22):
benign prostatic hyperplasia. These are conditions that are not cancer
that can result in an elevated level. But again, James's
level is not elevated, So we want to be mindful.
Once we get a number, we want to track that number.
We want to make sure that number is not going up.

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Persons who have a high PSA number want to repeat
the tests confirm the number. They need to have a
digital rectal examination to check physically for abnormalities. Is there
a tumor that we can feel when we put one
finger inside the rectum? As a medical expert? Are there

(02:15:04):
additional tests that the person with the PSA needs to get,
such as a prostate health index? Prostate health index is
something you may want to ask your doctors about, James,
because that gives you a basic score. Also, imaging tests
like the MRI doing a prostate biopsy. These are options

(02:15:25):
to guarantee with certainty outside of a lab value, whether
or not you're dealing with cancer. Thank you for calling, James.

Speaker 3 (02:15:33):
Thank you. I appreciate it all right, Thanks James.

Speaker 1 (02:15:37):
Five away from the top ed Joe's calling from Maryland
has a question for your doctor at Grand Rising. Joe,
your question for a doctor A.

Speaker 5 (02:15:46):
Yes, Grand Rising to you called and Kevin and grand
Riding to your doctor. A thank you for your expertise.
BA see I am sixty five and I'm one hundred
and sixty seven pounds, and I had a physical this
year in May twenty twenty five, but yet I got

(02:16:06):
hot blood pressure. My ah d L is two point
five and my l DL is fifty three point eight.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
My hold thought right there, Joe, Joe, hold up, and
I'll have you repeat those numbers for doctor A when
we get back. We got to take a quick break
so our stations can identify themselves down the line. Family,
I guess this is doctor A. As I mention, she's
a holistic doctor. She's also traditional medical doctor as well,
so you get two for one. Please please take advantage
of her expertise. Don't sit there and hope that somebody

(02:16:39):
has a similar problem. It's going to call in. You
call it, because what happens in these programs doctor they
wait till the last minute. And I've always got a
bunch of tweets, so I had to get to as well.
But I'm giving the folks who are on hold the
first DIBs. So in that way, to speak to doctor
A eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls. Next and
Grand Rising family, in Thanks for rolling with us on
this Wednesday morning with guest that doctor A. As I

(02:17:01):
mentioned doctor A, he's a traditional medical doctor and she's
also a natural panic doctor, a holistic doctor. She get
two for one, and please take advantage of our expertise.
And those of you who know have been to the
doctor who got some health concerns, is he gets for free?
You go to the doctor, you gonna make an appointment.
If you ever try and make an appointment a doctor's
office these days, you know how long it is, and

(02:17:22):
you get ten to fifteen minutes max. And then you're out.
You know, this is what's what's going on in the
medical industry these days. Oh, they hand you some pills,
and of course, as doctor A says, all these medications
have side effects. Having said that, though, take advantage of
our expertise. Again, a phone number to Reacher right now.
It's eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Lift. Joe had a serious of questions issues

(02:17:43):
that he was reading for doctor A. So Joe, i'mna
let you if you can start over again, we'd appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (02:17:49):
Thank you, Carl. I'm gonna be quick. I know a
lot of calls, all called in. Again, I'm sixty five
years old. I wore one hundred and sixty five pounds.
I had a physical done and found out I have
high blood pressure. My eighth d L is forty four
milligrams cholesterol ah d L two point five, my l

(02:18:12):
d L fifty three point eight milligrams cholesterol one oh
eight milligrams. Now I've been given the those established stating, yeah,
five milligrams, and I've been given the Amolola pin five milligrams.
So my concern is, I don't want to be on

(02:18:33):
this pill for a long these pills for a long time,
and I'm trying. I'm calling to see what can I
do to kind of wean myself off of this or.

Speaker 10 (02:18:43):
Could I be weaned off of it?

Speaker 5 (02:18:45):
But again, I'm not a heavy I mean, I'm one
hundred and sixty seven pounds. I don't know why I
got a high blood pressure, but that's where I am.
I've been testing myself every now and then once a
week twice with my high pressure monitor. I'm getting like
one hundred and twenty seven over eighty fore example, one
nineteen over seventy five. So I'm gonna stop right this, okay.

Speaker 11 (02:19:10):
I am so proud of you for number one, as
a man, being proactive about your health. Number two being
healthy and of a healthy weight and a healthy cholesterol
profile at the age of sixty five. That's so commendable. Secondly,
I'm going to say this, you're somebody who really can
get off medication. You absolutely, absolutely should make it your

(02:19:34):
goal that within six months or so you can get
off medication. There are various things that you can take
as supplements to help your blood pressure be normal without
actually being on a prescription. Beat juice is one of them.
Omega three fatty assids are a second supplementation that really

(02:19:56):
is very useful. Black seed oil is very useful in
terms of normalizing the blood pressure without actually being on medication.
The fact that you're healthy means that actually, if you
begin to do one hundred and fifty minutes a week
of cardiovascular activity, you may be able to reverse what

(02:20:17):
they're defining as high blood pressure. The blood pressures at
home are normal. I would keep a blood pressure log.
I would take that to my physician every time I
had a doctor visit to make sure that I'm not
having white coat syndrome, where the only time my pressure
is high. Is in the doctor's office. You have very
good blood pressures, you have very good cholesterol numbers, and

(02:20:39):
so your diet and exercise should be able to free
you completely from prescription. Thank you so much for calling
and thank you for your health profile.

Speaker 5 (02:20:49):
About the aid, can ask another question, yeah, yeah, is
there someone in the PG area that you can recommend
similar to your expertise? And then second, does health insurance
cover that type of coverage? Because I try to call
a nutritionis someone that can speak to me as you
have done over the radio.

Speaker 11 (02:21:10):
But is there yes, yes, yes, yes assurance.

Speaker 6 (02:21:16):
Right.

Speaker 11 (02:21:16):
Firstly, unfortunately know there is not. I don't have a
rolodex because I moved out of that area, practiced in
New Jersey for twenty some odd years, and now I'm
relocated to the Midwest, So I don't have a current
rolodex of primary care practitioners in the DMV. I may
want to cultivate that for the listenership forward going. But

(02:21:39):
second your second question insurance coverage. Insurance, as we know,
profits from deny the claim. Okay, so we have to
be very proactive when we're dealing with insurance companies. You
pay them every single month and they really do owe you.
They make millions off of denying black and brown people

(02:22:01):
the services that we're paying for. So you really you've
got to go to your healthcare practitioner and get them
on board. I as somebody in my sixties, I'm a
senior and I'm entitled to a nutritionist. If you're diagnosed
me with two conditions high blood pressure, high cholesterol, you
have me on these medications. I would like to fortify

(02:22:23):
my life holistically and learn how to do this right
with a nutritionist.

Speaker 16 (02:22:28):
Also, seek out classes in the community.

Speaker 11 (02:22:32):
Many hospital systems like MedStar are under obligation to serve
our community and they do constant community enrichment programs about
blood pressure, weight management, diabetes, quit smoking, obesity, etc. So
you want to be very actively aware of any free

(02:22:55):
programming about health, specifically high blood pressure high cholesterol that
are available in your community. Secondly, go your healthcare practitioner
that's caring for you and that diagnosed you and wrote prescriptions.
Get them on board to solicit the insurance company on
your behalf.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Thank you, all right, thanks, Joe. Let me ask you
this before I say on the call of a doctor,
how important is it to have medical doctors who look
like us, because I know there's a paucity of medical
folks from our community that's out there. How can we
increase the amount of doctors that we have in the
medical field, because you know, many people listening to us,

(02:23:36):
they probably don't have a black doctor. You know, people
say it doesn't matter, but I think it does matter
because all of my life, well I've had white doctors,
but the black doctors, I think they have a little
bit more care and understanding. That's what I used ever
since I found a black doctor, That's what I've been using.
So I don't know if if the audience feels like me,
but I have the total faith in our people because

(02:23:56):
when you show, that's the reflection of the faith that
you have in yourself. But anyway, get off my soul, Bux.
How important is it do you think, doctor, that we
have somebody looks like us giving us medical information?

Speaker 11 (02:24:07):
Carl, this is such a poignant question. I wish I
could write it in bold face underline, but I'm only
speaking verbally, Okay, if I could speak more figuratively, I
want to bold face underline this answer that science has
shown not just when it comes to health, but when
it comes to everything regarding self. We as a human

(02:24:32):
species do better when we can relate to the authority. Figure.
I don't care if it's education, banking, automotive, or health,
life and death. When doctors are of color, Black doctors
better serve the black community.

Speaker 16 (02:24:52):
That's not an opinion.

Speaker 11 (02:24:53):
We've backed that up in studies. Little Black babies that
are born prematurely fighting for their life in the intensive
care unit CARL Studies have shown these little black babies
are three times more likely to die than their white counterparts.
But when they have a black physician. Now they can
barely see out their little premature eyes. Okay, there is

(02:25:16):
something happening where they are more likely to live to
the age of one when they have a black physician.
This is true of black women. Black women have not
stopped being the.

Speaker 16 (02:25:28):
Mule of America.

Speaker 11 (02:25:30):
When we go to the er, they don't see us.
When we are in labor. They figure, just like they
did with the slave, will go birth your baby and
shut up. There was a black woman in labor with
her third child within this past month twoenty twenty five.
Now we've come a long way, allegedly from Charles Drew,

(02:25:54):
who has denied access to a white hospital.

Speaker 16 (02:25:57):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (02:25:58):
However, Francis Hospital in northwest Indiana evaluated a black woman
in active labor with her third baby. Carl sent the
lady home, told her we can't be bothered, you're not ready.
She delivered the baby by herself in the car on
the highway eight minutes after being kicked out the hospital.

Speaker 16 (02:26:21):
Okay, so we have not come a long way.

Speaker 11 (02:26:24):
I started the show with saying that the statistics are
really just as bad as they were in the nineteen thirties.
In the nineteen thirties, black women were dying left and right.
We didn't have access to white hospitals. We allegedly had
been disenfranchised educationally, economically. Well, now we're doctors, lawyer's Indian chiefs. Okay,

(02:26:48):
we've run for president, but we are still dying at
the highest rates.

Speaker 16 (02:26:53):
Yes, there is still structural racism.

Speaker 11 (02:26:56):
There is still a difference and a despair in the
treatment of Becky versus Sidiqua. No, we're treated the same,
We're not even seen the same. And so to see
the patient and serve the patient, it is best done,
Carl by black physicians, who represent less than ten percent

(02:27:17):
of the total US physician body. So we need to
encourage Howard University, Maharry Medical College, and other historically black
colleges to crank out our black doctors. Eighty eight percent
of black doctors come from HBCUs. And although I went
to George Washington in my hometown Washington, DC to train,

(02:27:41):
I went to the university where Reagan went when he
was shot, our only living president to be shot and
treated at a hospital. HBCUs craik ount the majority over
two thirds of our black doctors. So black people who
want to leave behind a legacy before leaving this earth.
Many of our callers have been over sixty. Guess what

(02:28:04):
you can do, besides leaving money to your kids, who
may mock the whole thing up, donate to your HBCUs
to further the excellence and the cultivation of black doctors.
It does matter, Carl.

Speaker 3 (02:28:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:28:18):
And the sad thing about HBCUs many of them in
the professional schools, whether it be a dentistry or or
medical or or even the doctor, like any kind of
doctors that the folks from other countries, you know, they
don't look like us, but they go to the HBECUS
to get their medical training. So this is something we've
got it. We've got but that's for another show because

(02:28:40):
that's a whole different area. We've got to tackle family.
So let's move on that because I have a bunch
of folks around it. Got questions for a doctor A.
Ruth is online too, calling from DC, Ruth grand Rising.
Your question for doctor A. Is Ruth there online too?
All right, let's move on there. Let's let's go out.

Speaker 2 (02:28:59):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
Oh there you are.

Speaker 7 (02:29:01):
Yes, Yes, I'm here, doctor A. You talked about relieving
pain from neuropathy and I didn't get that information. Could
you give that information again?

Speaker 11 (02:29:19):
Thank you for calling, Ruth, and thank you for your
strength and your proactive interest. So I was speaking about
the life wave patches, and this is using LightWave technology,
so basically it's wearable.

Speaker 17 (02:29:35):
I wear them.

Speaker 11 (02:29:36):
I have been wearing them now for two years. As
we close out twenty twenty five, Ruth, I don't have neuropathy,
but I have a very severe back pain for being
a twenty plus year obstetrician. See, I don't leave the
pushing stage of labor to the nurse. I wedged my
little body in between that woman's legs and I'm doing

(02:29:58):
all the pushing with her. I've got a herniated disk
to show for it, and the pain is excruciating. I
almost feel like I'm in a vice script when I'm
in pain. And so I've been using life Wave patches
because I can't gobble down opioids and become addicted. Okay,
I am tested regularly as a practicing physician. Secondly, I

(02:30:20):
don't want to gobble down a boatload of tylinol. There's
side effects to the liver. I don't want to gulpe
down a boatload of e motren or advil. There's side
effects to chronic use of anything over the counter, even
a sleep aid it's only meant for two months. So therefore,
using a wearable patch that activates infrared technology to activate

(02:30:44):
your own body stem cells, I've had pain relief. Not
only have I had pain relief, my husband, who I
mentioned earlier in the show, was undiagnosed with diabetes and
all of a sudden in the throes of diabetes as
if it were a tsunami, and he now wears the

(02:31:05):
patches as a form of management of diabetes and was
able to get off his infuluin completely. So the patches
are activating your body's healing nature. You want to go
to lifewave dot com backslash my name doctor R R. Emerson.

Speaker 7 (02:31:25):
Well, could you repeat that. I'm sorry, I can't write wave.

Speaker 11 (02:31:30):
Okay, that's okay, lifewave l I F E W A
ve lifewave dot com backslash d R A M E
R s O N doctor Emerson.

Speaker 19 (02:31:50):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (02:31:51):
Now, once you go there, then you're looking at activate
and elevate with X thirty nine. So look for X
thirty nine. You want to click that button so you
can learn about X thirty nine and be able to
place your order.

Speaker 19 (02:32:08):
Okay, okay, does that make sense?

Speaker 7 (02:32:12):
Yes, yes, I certainly appreciate that, and I appreciate everything.
You know, I hear you, and I just thank God
for you.

Speaker 11 (02:32:23):
I'm so thankful for you calling and showing that acknowledgment.
It is rare that black women lift up and celebrate
other black women. We are constantly being shown in the media.
Once again, we talked about media earlier in the show,
the damning effect it has on the black psyche. Constantly,
Reality TV is showing black women degrading and demoralizing other

(02:32:48):
black women. So for you to come on the show
and lift me up and celebrate me, or you just
made my basis well.

Speaker 19 (02:32:56):
Thank God, thank God for you again and again.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
All right, thanks Ruth at doctor. We've got to step aside.
We've got some more folks want to tell you. Got
a bunch of tweets as well. Family, you want to
join this conversation. You got questions, health questions. Speak to
our guest doctor A. She's a natural doctor, a traditional
doctor and a natural padic doctor as well. That's what
I want to say. You can reach her at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

(02:33:24):
thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning with
our guest doctor. As I mentioned, she's a natural pathic doctor.
She's also a traditional medical doctor. She get two for one.
Got a health concern, reach out to us at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Sister the
Kashibi's calling us from Silver Spring in Maryland. She's online
five Grand Rising sister of Kashiba and with doctor A.

Speaker 15 (02:33:43):
Grand Rising curl and thank you for having a naturopathic
as well as an MD on your program. Just what
I need. Number one I'm taking now and I'm not
feeling very well, so I'll try to be as articulates

(02:34:05):
as I can. I'm taking five meds for high blood
pressure and cholesterol. That's what my cardiologist has.

Speaker 6 (02:34:15):
Put me on.

Speaker 15 (02:34:15):
I have stints.

Speaker 8 (02:34:18):
Now, and I have.

Speaker 15 (02:34:23):
Like right now or just most recently, I've been suffering.
I don't know if as a result of taking all
these meds, but I have constipation. The only thing that
leaves it is this magnesium situate. Now, when I do
pass stool, what comes out, It'll come out brown, but

(02:34:44):
it has these they look like almost like a little
like a stone, maybe a small stone or something embedded
in that in that stool. You know, the steel is solid,
at least at least when I passed today, but it
has it's kind of grayish and black in color. You know,

(02:35:10):
it doesn't look like stool. It looks like something else.
I couldn't think of anything that I would have eaten
that looks like it. Do you think I could have
some sort of parasite or something's coming out?

Speaker 11 (02:35:26):
Is it?

Speaker 15 (02:35:26):
I didn't take a picture of it, unfortunately.

Speaker 11 (02:35:30):
Okay, let me let me firstly, let me get the
basics again. Tell me your name, age, and where you're
calling from. Caller. I'm so appreciatively recalled this morning. This
is critically important. Your name, your name, age, and your region.

Speaker 15 (02:35:46):
Okay, Silver Spring, Maryland. Okay, I'm eighty one.

Speaker 11 (02:35:53):
Oh my god, God bless you. Firstly, right, many of
us will never live to see the day of being
eighty one, So you're obviously doing something right now. You
were diagnosed with high blood pressure and high cholesterol. How
long ago?

Speaker 15 (02:36:08):
Oh, I would say, well over a year ago.

Speaker 11 (02:36:13):
No cholesterol got okay. So my recommendation to you is
this a whole second opinion. Here is the bottom line.
At age eighty one, you have contributed at least forty
years to tax paying in the United States of America,
at least Okay. Therefore, you are entitled and I want

(02:36:35):
you to act like a presidential alumnus in terms of
your entitlement to phenomenal health care. When a person has
any medical diagnosis, I don't care if it's migrain, headache,
allergy to tomato sauce, or high blood pressure or cancer.

(02:36:55):
Your entitlement based on a new diagnosis is a second opinion.
When you get that second opinion, you're going to bring
up that you're having stool changes. Then they don't give
them a stool sample. Let's not guess about this once again.
There are people that are in Africa and countries that
are ravaged with war. There are people who cannot find

(02:37:19):
a nearby hospital literally to save their life. There are
people who would have to travel in Gaza in the
African continent hundreds of miles to get to a safe hospital.
When we're in the United States of America, I cannot
remind us enough we have access, which globally is not
a reality. So you're already accessing as a woman who

(02:37:43):
knows her rights.

Speaker 16 (02:37:46):
You are showing up.

Speaker 11 (02:37:47):
To your health care provider, so kudos do more because
you've got intelligent questions that are not being answered. You
may have high blood pressure if you really do repeat
itself no matter who the provider is. So when you
show up to a whole new provider as a brand
new patient, they should be able to confirm you have

(02:38:11):
high blood pressure and you have high cholesterol.

Speaker 16 (02:38:14):
They should be.

Speaker 11 (02:38:14):
Able to dive deep into what is going on with
the stool changes. Number one is important to know high
blood pressure. We treat it because we want to prevent
heart disease. Heart disease is not only the number one
killer of people in this country. Okay, our stress levels

(02:38:36):
are killing us, but women since nineteen eighty four die
at a higher rate from heart disease than our male counterpart.
So you calling it eighty one. If I even make
one difference on this show and it's your life, then
I want to be that game changer. So I really
I take it quite personally. I want you to get

(02:38:57):
to ninety one. I want you to get on top
of whatever it may be caused in high blood pressure.
Reduce your sodium intake. Aim for a daily sodium intake
that is fifteen hundred milligrams or less. Sodium causes fluid retention,
and especially as you age, your sodium intake is going

(02:39:17):
to be one of the most important criteria as to
whether or not you have high blood pressure and high
cholesterol that persists. Enrich your diet in heart healthy foods
from garlic to ginger, cinnamon, hibiscus, and again, my preacher
pit is what Omega three fatty acid. Eliminate alcohol from

(02:39:41):
your diet, reduce your total sugar intake, and watch your
numbers turn around. But I'm proud of you for even
knowing to check those numbers to be mindful of those numbers.
Exercise one hundred and fifty minutes a week aerobic activity,
and watch.

Speaker 16 (02:39:58):
All of your medical diagnoses.

Speaker 5 (02:40:00):
Vanish.

Speaker 11 (02:40:01):
Make sure you're sleeping seven to eight hours every single night.
That also regulates blood pressure. Okay, if you're a smoker,
make sure you quit smoking. If you have weight management issues,
get to an ideal body weight, Increase your muscle mass,
strengthen your bones, do strength training three times a week,

(02:40:21):
reduce your stress. Practice mindfulness with slow breathing and meditation.
These are the things you can do at eighty one
to get off the medications.

Speaker 16 (02:40:32):
But explore what's going.

Speaker 6 (02:40:33):
On with the bow.

Speaker 11 (02:40:34):
That's very concerning, and it has my attention holistically and
from the Western medicine of training, you have my attention.
Explore that is sugar is a gave.

Speaker 15 (02:40:46):
Considered sugar or honey.

Speaker 11 (02:40:48):
Gave is a substitute. So you can certainly replace white
sugar and use a gave, and you're going to have
not just a good replacement as opposed to sakering or
others sugar substitutes that are actually cancer causing. A gave
is not It does the antithesis. A gave is a
healing agent. Just as honey is for our body. Both

(02:41:11):
of those are your go tos as opposed to sugar,
sacred sweet, and low in every other form of foolishness
that man invented.

Speaker 15 (02:41:23):
Okay, okay, I don't smoke. I mean I don't smoke.
I used to smoke. I haven't smoked in forty years.
And I don't drink. I haven't had a drop of
alcohol and in that of forty over forty years either.
So you know, I've had cancer and I have stints
in my heart. I have three stints. Not in my heart,

(02:41:47):
I guess in my arteries or whatever.

Speaker 11 (02:41:50):
Yeah, the arteries, the arteries of your heart. So the
bottom line is this, and thank you for saying that,
thank you for adding that. That's why the health history
and the physical exam is not replaceable. The fact is
you don't just have high blood pressure. You have heart disease.
You have been treated for heart disease. Heart disease is
the number one killer. So the fact that you have

(02:42:12):
stints in your heart, oh yeah, this is serious. You've
got to be exercising. You've got to do that cardiovascular
activity one hundred and fifty minutes, join a group class,
or do it online. Okay, pull up yoga, pull up
any cardiovascular you know, aerobic activity. It's right there on

(02:42:32):
YouTube for free. Pull it up and do it right
there in your house. Join a group class because leaving
the house is therapeutic and healthy. I'm gonna get back
to vitamin D because I need you to be vitamin
D sufficient as well as all these other recommendations. Vitamin
D experts recommend ten to fifteen minutes of sun exposure

(02:42:54):
over forty percent of your skin, and that's daily, or
you can do twenty to twenty five minutes three times
a week. You've got to get off the computer and
get outdoors. I cannot emphasize enough the healing power of nature.
It is known that when you go into a forest,

(02:43:15):
your natural killer cells of your body are activated. Step outside.
I lived two blocks from the beach, and so even
during COVID, I could go to the beach right next
to Lake Michigan, talk to my ancestors and meditate, walk
in the sand, let the waves wash over my feet.

(02:43:38):
You cannot isolate yourself and your little pajamas on a
computer day after day and think that you're going to
be spiritually, in psychologically and physically balanced. You're not Get outdoors,
all listeners, get out. Yes it's winter, layer, but get outdoors.
I'm in Chicago.

Speaker 16 (02:43:57):
If I could do it, you can do it.

Speaker 1 (02:44:00):
Yeah, all right, it's just because we got to move on.
We've got a bunch of folks trying to get to
doctor A. But I thank you for your call. Twenty
eight away from the top day, Let's go to Michigan.
Sister Leone's reaching out to us online. Three grand rising
Sister Leone.

Speaker 19 (02:44:13):
With doctor A, grand rising brother Carl grand Rising Doctor A.
Two questions if you don't mind, ma'am. But first, okay,
I'm seventy years old, non smoke and non drinker, and
I have an issue with osteo arthritis and the knee.
I have a question for you about that. And didn't

(02:44:35):
I have a second question. I'm curious. Well, since the
COVID pandemic and my understanding a little better about this
thing called death by medicine and this thing called a
Flexner report and the story of Henrietta Lax in the

(02:44:56):
Medical Apartheip book, it has really shaken my confidence in
the in the healthcare system, and recently learning about what
I'm calling the cancer industrial complex. I wanted to know
how does one go about choosing a good physician, a
good primary medical care person? And how would you choose

(02:45:19):
one doctor a you know, given well there are some
insurance constraints, like you know, Medicare stuff like that. Forgive
me for my two questions.

Speaker 6 (02:45:32):
Is one.

Speaker 19 (02:45:35):
Helping heal or reversing osteo arthritis in the knee? And
how does one go about choosing a good primary healthcare practitioner,
especially you know, I'm kind of like scared of doctors.

Speaker 11 (02:45:49):
Now almost, okay, thank you for calling number one. Let's
go straight into osteoarthritis of the needs that is it
extraordinarily common. We celebrate you for reaching the age of seventy.
We want the quality of life to manifest in your life.
So number one, you need to be doing strengthening and

(02:46:12):
flexibility exercises every single day, so off your arthritis of
the knee. Exercises are going to focus on your quads,
your hamstrings, and your gluts. If you can improve the
flexibility with low impact moves, then you're going to have

(02:46:32):
more gentle movement, You're going to be pain free, You're
going to reduce the stiffening and you're going to build
support for your joints, So there are a number of
strengthening exercises you can google that. You can also do
low impact aerobic exercises that support you. Water aerobics is

(02:46:55):
something that my aunt in law has recently engaged. She's
in her early seventies and she suffers from weight, she
suffers from sleep apnea, she has high blood pressure. But
she gets in that water at the YMCA for free
three times a week and it's making a tremendous impact

(02:47:17):
in her life. You know, when you see your daughter
your doctor, you want to make sure that you're reporting
to them exactly what your symptoms are. You also want
to consult a physical therapist. Physical therapists can be immensely
useful in helping you to devise a program that you're
going to follow, and then you follow up with them

(02:47:40):
and you progress over. Every three months, you can modify
what your exercise regimen is and strengthen yourself even further
so that you're preventing the development of osteoporosis. You should
have a bone scan done regularly to survey for osteoporosis.
Now number two, I'm going to have to develop more

(02:48:03):
of a Rolodex for our listenership, because you guys are
so investigative and so desiring of proper medical doctors. I'll
tell you one thing. I ran a solo practice in
Bergen County of New Jersey, and I ran that solo
practice up until the year twenty fourteen. In the year

(02:48:25):
twenty fourteen, a number of horrible things happened in America
the electronic medical record. Okay, that alone drove the majority
of black and brown doctors out of business because there
was an upfront cost of five figures and doctors always
get paid on the back end. See when you come
with your copay and then we submit a claim to

(02:48:49):
your insurance company, we are begging for some reimbursement of
money we've already spent. So the idea of a five
figure upfront costs drove out of business. You have now
MedStar and other conglomerates that have taken over hospital after
hospital after hospital. I'm not sure who the conglomerate is

(02:49:11):
in Michigan, but I just told you a story of
a conglomerate in Northwest Indiana, Franciscan hospital that literally screwed
over the black woman. That baby could have died in
the car. That baby could have been choked by his
own umbilical cord. She could have bled to death. And
truly when she showed up at the hospital having had

(02:49:31):
her third baby in the car after subpar care from
Franciscan hospital, and when she showed up, she was hemorrhaging.
Hemorrhage is the number one cause of death for black women,
so they put her at risk for that. So you're
absolutely right to be hesitant.

Speaker 16 (02:49:49):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (02:49:50):
When the conglomerates took over, they have a conglomerate philosophy,
so that's now indoctrinated onto all the doctors. Many your
best doctor doctor to be thought right, they're.

Speaker 16 (02:50:02):
Gonna be concierge doctors. You got to pay for them,
right hold, I.

Speaker 1 (02:50:06):
Thought right there, and Leon, if you ever follow up,
I'll let you do that after because we gotta take
a break. We're running late the twenty two minutes away
from the top day Family. Our guest there is doctor A.
She's a natural pathic doctor, also holistic doctor. You'd like
to speak to her eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll try to get all
your calls next see family. Thanks for staying with us
on this Wednesday morning with our guest doctor A doctor.
As I mentioned, it's a naturopathic doctors also holistic doctors. Well,

(02:50:29):
sister Leone in Michigan, can you make that follow up
real quick because you still got a bunch of folks
got questions for doctor A.

Speaker 19 (02:50:36):
No, well, you know, I really didn't have a follow
up except just just to thank that their doctor for
all she everything she's done, everything she's doing to help
produce justice on this planet. Thank you for being who
you are, doctor A.

Speaker 11 (02:50:50):
Thank you so immensely, thank you for that acknowledgment and
take you that moment. I appreciate you and right back
at you.

Speaker 1 (02:50:59):
All right, thank you, Leon. Let's go to Florida. Robert's
waiting versus online one Grand Rising.

Speaker 10 (02:51:04):
Robert, your question for a doctor A, Yes, good morning,
doctor A.

Speaker 1 (02:51:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:51:08):
I have a mental issue. It's anxiety induced diarrhea. When
I have I have an appointment to be someplace at
a certain time and sometime someone's coming to pick me up,
this anxiety takes over and I have to run to
the bathroom like two or three times for number two
and it's in my mind. It's mentally, it's anxiety induced.

(02:51:31):
Can you give me some kind of instructions and something
that I can try to take other than pills or whatnot,
that I can try to deal with my mental anxiety
that induces diarrhea.

Speaker 11 (02:51:41):
Please, first of all, I want to thank you for calling.
I want to thank you for your transparency, your courage,
and you're going to experience healing just through that. You
already have the right mindset to be liberated from this symptom.

Speaker 16 (02:52:00):
Okay, so some of the things you can do for
immediate relief.

Speaker 11 (02:52:04):
Number One, your breathing matters.

Speaker 16 (02:52:07):
You have no idea.

Speaker 11 (02:52:08):
The power you're breathing has to reset the cells of
your body. Practice deep abdominal breathing, and you may have
to do this outside of the emergency setting. Do not
wait until you're in an anxiety provoking situation, having the
onset of diarrhea under a normal circumstance, when you're bored,

(02:52:31):
when you're doing nothing. I want you to begin to
practice so that you can become a black belt expert
at breathing. Learn how to breathe from your abdomen, deep
in your abdomen, deep in your belly to calm your
nervous system. You can actually reset your nervous system through

(02:52:52):
your breathing. You want to focus on something else at
the time that you're anxious. To break the anxiety gut
side is actually a cycle that feeds and multiplies. Focus
your mind the power of the mind. Learn to meditate,
practice guided meditation so that you're doing that outside of

(02:53:13):
the emergency circumstance, and then you can apply it during
the emergency circumstance. A short walk can also help your
body to calm the stress and to release chemicals in
your body called endorphins. Hydration can matter if you sip
water and you consider electrolyte drinks like Gatorade if you're

(02:53:37):
losing fluids. If you are losing a large amount of
fluid through the diarrhea, fluid replacement becomes important long term prevention,
you want to do stress management. As I mentioned earlier.
The second thing that you can do to really monitor
and note your progress so that you are encouraging yourself

(02:53:59):
is to journal. Journal how you at point a say
starting today December the tenth day in twenty twenty five,
how you manage this symptom, what provokes or triggers the symptom,
and then go all the way to June of twenty
twenty six, and we're going to watch how you do

(02:54:21):
better and better and better at preventing the triggers and
then preventing the reaction from the triggers. You want to
reduce your caffeine intake, your alcohol intake, your intake of
spicy and fatty foods and carbonated beverages. You want to
eat simple carbohydrates like plain rice, pasta, and toast. These

(02:54:44):
are things that are going to hold in your digestive track.
An earlier caler mentioned oatmeal that that promotes good gut health,
as well as taking probiotics regularly so that your intestines
are healthy and you have to healthy formation of healthy
stool so that you're less likely to evacuate upon the

(02:55:05):
trigger of anxiety. All of these things are going to
help to reduce this anxiety triggered diarrhea. Your gut brains
are directly connected and there is a fight or flight
response that's being triggered. So a mental health therapist is
another important tool to be able to directly address why

(02:55:27):
am I having a fight or flight response? Why am
I locked into this saga? Not only how I can
nutritionally improve the health of my intestines. But the mental
health therapists can help you rewire your brain so that
you don't have anxiety period and you definitely are not

(02:55:49):
being triggered to diarrhea from that motivation. Thank you for calling.

Speaker 10 (02:55:54):
Okay, I've seen two medical doctors and bother them have
I have prescribed some pills called search a Line, and
it's difficult for me they take the search a Line
pills because of the after effects. There's a long list
of after effects that are very, very negative. I'm a

(02:56:16):
little praying oid and taking these pills. So I'd rather,
you know, take your advice and do it in the
manner in which you've told me so that what should
be helpful. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (02:56:27):
I have prescribed searchal Lane to hundreds of patients. Okay,
so it is a well studied medication. But like any prescription,
there's a lock and key. How does this prescription drug
fit the chemistry of said person's body. So always, as

(02:56:48):
a practitioner on both sides western and Eastern and afrocentric medicine,
I holistically look at each of every individual. I follow
people long term.

Speaker 16 (02:57:00):
I don't want to be a wham bam.

Speaker 11 (02:57:01):
Thank you ma'am doctor, I specifically went into solo practice
to form relationships. So with something like anxiety, you need
a relationship with a provider. This provider, their relationship with
you grows over time. They are watching what works and
what doesn't work for you as a human being. Nobody

(02:57:24):
else on earth has your fingerprint, so I could care
less what the book says about circle Lane.

Speaker 16 (02:57:31):
The bottom line is it's not working for you.

Speaker 11 (02:57:34):
So there may be a different medication.

Speaker 1 (02:57:38):
Rob I'm sorry, you got to let you go. We've
got some more folks you're trying to get on. Kevin.
Let's move on this because Roberts got enough. I'm sorry
to do it that way. Folks got to understand that
I know you've got issues. You can and I tell
you call and they wait. There's a whole bunch of
folks whoait trying to get at you, doctor. They wait
till the last minute, man, and let me move on.
Quiban is a calling from northeast. DC's got a question

(02:57:59):
for He's on line for brother, your question for doctor A.

Speaker 14 (02:58:05):
Grand rising brother question called and doctor A a question
about prostate cancer. Any intermediate status that has not grown
outside of the prostate definitely high PSA scores, UH with

(02:58:27):
already had biopsies and all that. What do you have
homopathically that could help with the option against surgeries and radiation.

Speaker 11 (02:58:41):
First of all, thank you for calling. Thank you for
your courage and your transparency. We cannot talk enough about
prostate cancer. As an OBG y N board certified in America,
my hero, now deceased, was a Jamaican black man who
was extraor ordinary as a gynecologic surgeon. He was one

(02:59:04):
of the top robotic surgeons on the globe. However, he
lost his life to prostate cancer, which means he cared
more about the community than about his own self. And
that's the case for many physicians. So I'm happy to
talk about prostate cancer for our national audience. Active surveillance

(02:59:26):
or monitoring, curative options like surgery or radiation, and newer
focal therapies like HIFU cryotherapy they target the tumor. All
of these things are aimed at eliminating the cancer or

(02:59:47):
managing the slow growing tumors that the caller is talking about.
You have to specifically have a team that knows about
your personal health. Like Carl said, we don't even have
the time in this show to go into any one
individual's detailed health the way a doctor needs to do

(03:00:10):
in the office. They're doing a physical exam, They're getting
into detail about your health, your lifestyle, your family history, etc.
So there are a number of common treatment approaches. Active surveillance,
which is what it sounds like the caller is doing.
For low risk cancers. This can involve close monitoring of

(03:00:31):
your PSA tests, digital rectal exams and biopsies, delaying treatments
and signs of progress, and avoiding the treatment side effects. Okay,
other people need surgery, other people need radiation, other people
need hormone therapy. But yes, there are holistic things you
can do.

Speaker 16 (03:00:52):
I've talked about it on several other shows.

Speaker 11 (03:00:56):
What are the things that you can do? Diet altering.
You've got to get that omega three fatty acid into
your diet. You've got to drink alkaline water. You've got
to begin to fortify with a number of basic things
that are supplementation. This supplementation things that you can do,

(03:01:20):
such as making sure you're taking a multi vitamin, making
sure you're taking magnesium, making sure you're taking potassium. These
are some of the things that are going to reduce
the likelihood that the PSA level rises. You're already being monitored.
It's extremely important that you stay in a monitoring system.

(03:01:42):
So all of these things are my basic suggestions. Focus
on your overall lifestyle well being, your nutrition and your
mind body practices. Make sure that your diet is rich
in fruits and vegetables, and that you're reducing stress. Carl,
recognizing that we literally are down to minutes we may

(03:02:03):
want to do instead of two consecutive hours, realizing our
listenership is Johnny, come lately, do an hour in the morning,
come back, and maybe do an hour the following day
so that callers are alerted doctor A is back. Wake up.
Because last time I was here was September. We had
several months of lag. So we want to get these

(03:02:24):
callers in and we we're going to do our best,
but we're out of time.

Speaker 1 (03:02:28):
Yeah, and you're right right out of time. And it's
still a bunch of folks got questions. You know, if
folks just you know, check out on Facebook and I
post on there who's coming on? And the doctor's coming on?
Don't wait till the last minute. And I got a
whole bunch of tweets questions, A bunch of tweet questions
for you real quickly, probably a yes or no answer
if you can tell me this because this is a
couple of tweets are asking about the increasing dementia all timers.

(03:02:52):
Is that caused by the people who took the jab?

Speaker 4 (03:02:57):
By people who.

Speaker 11 (03:02:58):
Took what the jab?

Speaker 1 (03:03:00):
The show?

Speaker 4 (03:03:02):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (03:03:02):
Okay, the jackab So the jury is still out on
the JAB. The problem with the JAB is that.

Speaker 16 (03:03:09):
They're still jabbing.

Speaker 11 (03:03:10):
There are still boosters being rendered to select bodies of people,
like immunal compromising elders. That original vaccine dose we know
for a fact caused clotting disorders, autoimmune disorders to go
ape shit in the black community. Okay, so definitely negative

(03:03:31):
effects were there. Alzheimer's dementia is something that doesn't pop
up in two seconds. It evolves over a progression of time.
A lot of people have Alzheimer's dementia and are undiagnosed.
We're just saying they're off, they're funny, they're weird. No,
so it's going to take years, Carl. We are nowhere

(03:03:53):
near close enough to be able to assess the long
term consequences of the JAB. We don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (03:04:03):
All right. That's that's it, doctor A. That's it for
the class. I would ask you where to folks reach you,
whether they have to wait till you come back and
next time.

Speaker 11 (03:04:09):
All right, that's correct, that's correct. You have to wait
until I come back next time. But you can find
my community on Facebook, doctor A. Frey A Emerson A
F R I Y E A M E R s
O N. I'm on Facebook as a community Facebook page.
Join there and ask questions there and join me next
time on the show.

Speaker 1 (03:04:31):
All right, thanks doctor A. Running late classes, this Smiths family,
stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see
you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on
ten ten WLB. I in the DMV on fourteen fifty
WOL

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