Dr. David Horne on Nigeria & Venezuela, Amen Rahh’s 2026 Blueprint, & Revd. Pickney’s New Year’s Wish

Don’t miss this rare opportunity! Renowned Pan-African critical thinking expert Dr. David Horne returns to our classroom on Tuesday morning, bringing his powerful insights to address the Trump administration’s attacks on Nigeria and Venezuela. Before Dr. Horne, retired professor Amen Rahh will inspire us with a vital blueprint for what the Black Community should be doing for 2026. From Benton Harbor, Michigan, the dynamic Revd. Edward Pickney will share an uplifting New Year’s wish for our community.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and Abari Ghani on his fifth
day of Kwanza, and the answer, of course is purpose. Later,
Pan African cultural thinking expert doctor David Horn will take
over our classroom. Doctor Horn will share insights into the
Trump administration's attack on Nigeria and Venezuela, among other things.
But before doctor Horn, retired college professor Amen Ra list

(00:21):
us what the black community should be doing for twenty
twenty six, and momentarily Benton Harper Michigan activists the Reverend
Edward Pinkney will check in. But first Kevin open his
classroom doors, Grand Rising, Kevin Hey.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Grand Rising, Carl Nelson, Hibari Ghani brother.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
A purpose, Yes, Nie, what's the news? What's going on?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Nie?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah? Knie yeah? Ni yeah. So we light the green
candle today and that's right and celebrate purpose, and you know,
it encourages individuals and communities to find and work towards
a collective purpose and recognizing that personal and community progress
are linked together. And that's the beautiful part of Kwansa.

(01:04):
It's the linking together, the fact that it's community. You
may be sitting there, you know, in your apartment, your
living room, and you light the candle, which of course
makes you focus. But then it's all encompassing because it's
also about the community, the world wide community. Am I

(01:26):
right about it?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
You are right?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
And it makes you reflect to That's why the Nguzusaba
the seven principles of Kwansa, each one of them, and
I know what doctor Kurenga wanted us to maintain those
principles throughout the year. The thing is, many people, after
Quansa is over, just like after Christmas is over, all
of that dissipates, you know, all that good feeling of
mankind and brotherhood disappears, going back at each other's throats

(01:52):
by the first year, which she's sad, but it's a reality.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
And yeah, with Kwansa being seven whole days, let me
ask you this, is it necessary to have a New
Year's resolution because by the time that's the last day
of Kun's New Year's and so do you.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's correct. You know, those those seven principles
should be a resolution.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Those are exactly or you know at least that the
affirmations that you are reciting can lead to by the
time it's New Year's you've already resolved, You already have
set the standard you've already decided what your goal is.
You've already decided the creativity and how you're going to

(02:36):
participate if and only if you're into those kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And the question is, though, Kevin, how to maintain I
think it's not affirming them, it's how do you maintain them?
Come to say, March on July or September, you're still
affirming those those seven principles. I think that's the challenge.
Even with New Year's resolutions, that's the challenge you're maintaining.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, maybe because of the reputation. However, everything you know
changes sometimes it just seems, you know, just with the time,
the season, the weather. Yeah, you know, those things happen.
But those changes don't mean you can't reset. You see
what I'm saying. I think you can. You can still

(03:19):
reset after you have have committed yourself to those Uh.
Then it's about what you what is it? What you
measure you can manage, So you measure it and then
then manage what the adjustments are so you're still okay, yeah,
still okay. You know, you know me the eternal optimists.

(03:41):
That's that's how that works out, Carl. But let me
tell you this man, the hawk has arrived with his family. Mohawk,
it's cold outside. Make sure you buckle up your overcoat
and wrap up, put on your gloves, and then put
on some more gloves and so and another over You know.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
People say, people say it's cold. They say, hey, it's
a winter, it's supposed to be cold. So white people
could play, yeah, it is supposed to be cold.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Tell you that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, this is proof positive and that's for sure. And
because you know, in the summertime here in the district,
we say, it's not the heat, it's the humidity in
the wintertime, or today, it's not the cold, it's the
wind that you've got to contend with. Today. Man, you
can fly a kite today.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
People in Chicago can tell you all about that, the
wind on these cold days.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Oh yeah, that's true. I don't want to compete with it.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I love DC in the summertime, though, Man, I gotta
tell you.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I love d C. Look,
but he is let's move on. At the Hill is
reporting that Trump is reviving his threat to sue Jerome
Power for gross incompetence. Did you hear about that?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, he's still he still won't take the l I mean,
the courts of denied him two or three times. Now
he's trying to prosecute it, but he's still going after him.
So I mean, this is this is almost eventual to
just move on. There's so many other promise you got
on your inbox on the desk, and you're still talking
about that bit. We moved beyond that. So apparently that's

(05:17):
part of his personality. Is not an artistic personality. He
won't give up. He won't he won't concede a loss
or or perceive loss. So that's that's a that's a
personal trait of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
And now that and and it's it's not really news,
it's kind of news. The Hill says that President Donald
Trump says, we're thinking about bringing a suit against Federal
Reserve chairman to Rome for incompetence because think about it,
these aren't outstanding buildings. They are small buildings, Trump said

(05:49):
during his press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nette
and Yahoo. So he's airing the country's dirty laundry right
in front of the Prime Minister of Israel. What do
you think.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
No, but I got about that. I saw something different
when they first met. Then y'all had on a blue tie.
Usually wears blue because that's you know, Israel's color, and
Trump had off red tie. Both of them at the
press conference had bright red ties almost the same. I
got to call marcam Anaheim later and find out what's
that because that that there is a symbol or a

(06:24):
message that's being sent somewhere. So I got to call
him Mark and find out what that means with both
of them wearing them. That's what I picked up ever
since he told me about the you know, pay attention
to what the ties that these leaders wear because they're
always sending a message to somebody. Was always calling, hey, man,
what's what's the what's the deal with this? So I
got called and find out, Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Red time you could represent something.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
And both of them were in the same red tie,
you know. You know then y'all usually wears blue because
that's Israel's color, you know, that's what you and he
had blue on when they first met, and and uh,
Trump had some off colored red pinkish kind of colored tie,
and there was unusual for Trump. Trump usually wears a
red tie too. So both of them at this preference,

(07:09):
they had both of them bright red ties. Look like
the same. He looked like a uniform if you will.
So you got it.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
You gotta be careful with that speculation, don't you. I mean,
next thing you know that their their bloods or crips
or something could be.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
But it's a message. There's more to it than that.
These like you told me a long time. Nothing in
politics happens by accident. So just just all right, corner
right there.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, meanwhile, the Trump administration plans deep cuts to Social
Security Disability insurance, but particularly for older workers. Man, that's
striking a little close to home.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Despite repeatedly promising not to cut Social Security, the Trump
administration is now reportedly preparing a proposed rule that could
reduce the share of applicants who qualify for Social Security
Disability insurance by up to twenty percent, according to an
Urban Institute report that cites writing by a former administration

(08:13):
official and interviews with former staff at the Social Security Administration.
And it would be the largest cut in SSDI history.
What do you think? You know?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Every time I hear that Trump does something that impacts
one particular segment of the community, office wondering how many
of them voted for him, how many even approved him,
how many were campaigning for him, and how I was
coming back to bite them. That's all I think about Kevin,
because he told you what he was gonna do. He
told you before he got in office. And almost everything
in Project twenty twenty five is completed. Just got a

(08:46):
few minded things that got to tie up, but just
everything and all that was in there. So the act surprise, hurt,
this is what you voted for.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Until you're saying, don't be subprise that he actually.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, no, not surprised.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
All you know another other words, I'm sorry he says,
like knock this block off my shoulder, and then he
actually does it.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Where everything is shit. But he told the American people
what he was going to do, and he still voted
for him, So I'm not surprised.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, they say this rule will likely cause disproportionate harm
to people living in the South, and Appalachia. Isn't that
somewhere past West Virginia.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Some states have a higher share of people receiving disability benefits,
particularly those with more older workers, with fewer years of
formal education and more likely to have worked in physical
jobs like manufacturing or mining. And so it's true that
many Southern and Appalachian states such as Maine.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Right states, just say, right states states.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
What's with you in the color red today?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I gotta check it out, man, You're.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Like a matador, you see red. The proposed rule drafted
during the first Trump administration would reportedly change the way
SSA considers education as well as age. And because residents
of these states are on average older and that's educated,
these changes will hit them doubly hard. So is that
also agism?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Like I said, Kevin, it's not a you seem shocked,
shocked that you're shocked. That's what they' that's what he voted.
They voted for.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Good gracious man, I tell you. And so look, thanks
for your time, Carl. I'm just gonna move on that.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Before we go, though, you got to mention that Madre
Taylor Green told The New York Times some money in
the President Trump's behavior suggests he's not a Christian. He's
not a sincere Christian. Yeah, what made her think that
Donald Trump is a Christian? That's that's the part that
gets me, you know. And of course she she she

(10:56):
goes into the turning point issue and all of that
said Trump, she marks about what he said after uh,
Rob Ryan, people saying yeah, that's that said, Yeah, so
who's who's the but who's heard the judge who's a
Christian on now? And I'm wondering how much how much
impact this had on the Christian community.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, that's right. She's in the point that she's appointed
herself the judge of Christianity. Is that now we've got
to watch her to see how her perfect life is going.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Is that it right?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
But let's be let's being in a Reverend edit Picny
because he you probably help us out on this.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
He's on fire.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
He's only electric this morning.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
He all.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I love talking to the Reverend Picny Man. He gets
you fired up to get you going in every single morning.
Grand Rising and Reverend Pinkney, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Grand Rising, My brother Grand Rasin. I tell you you,
you guys give it given, given the whole world something
to talk about, you know, the red path and uh
the uh the redestself. And one thing you said that's
that's really really important is that this disability, this attacks

(12:12):
this is an attack of Trump's supporters more than anything else.
It's it's them more than they do black people, you see.
And then it don't. They did not see this coming.
They thought that only people that's going to be attacked
was black folks. They figured that we, uh, look, don't

(12:33):
worry about it. If we got you, we get going
after them black folks. And and that was the mentality
of the people that the informations and all them them
are some of the poorest people in the world, the poor.
Most of them is poor, the black folks, you know.
And uh, I guess couldn't see. Uh They're thinking, I

(12:55):
could not see these olks thinking that that Trump don't
care nothing to you. He don't care nothing about people
on disabilities. That's the last thing, only line. He only
cared about the billionaires. The millionaires, these are what he
cares about. And this is how he builds his foundations.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
See the first thing Trump did well, it wasn't Trump,
it was that that system is still They went out,
They went out and put a praying together and it
just so happened that Trump fit in to their plan
at this time. They went out and put a plan together,

(13:37):
put judges in place, and then had the billionaires and
find it. And that's how they created this mess that
we have today. It's really funded by the billionaires. Do
you realize that Eli Monk must would be a treated
ass when by the time Trump leadw office are trading there,

(14:01):
he's going to be said, he might even be a
training there twice if things work out the way him
and Trump are played. And everybody in Trump administration, all
of them right now is using money, our money for
their own personal use.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Most of them not.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Gonna say hold upot right there, raf, Let me ask
you this, because you're right about they made that. They
had these plans drafted years ago and it was condensed
into Project twenty twenty five, and of course they're planning
beyond that. They played the long game, many of us
play the short game. Your thoughts of what they're thinking about,
because at some point they got to switch out Trump

(14:43):
with somebody else, and right now they groom in advance.
Of course, he's second in the position uh to take
over or and if he does come some short there's
gonna be some issues with him too. But we gotta
take a quick break when we come back, though, tell
us about because you mentioned it, and you're correct. They
they thinking long range. They've got plans that they've got

(15:04):
back up plans. So at some point Trump is going
to use all these usefulness to be used and he
put into the side and because they want to continue this,
this is what and you mentioned Elon Musk, this is
what Musk said too. They want to continue this for
decades down the line. So we take the player. Well,
come back, I'll let you address that family YouTube Grand Rising,
thanks for waking up with us. At seventeen minutes after
the top. There you two can join our conversation. Reverend

(15:25):
Ed Pinckney from Benton, Harper and Michigan. He's an activist
in that city. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls. A grind Rising family twenty minutes
after the top. Thanks for waking up with this on
these final days of twenty twenty five. I guess it's
remend Ed Pinckney. You know him as an activist in Benson,
Harper and Michigan. He was out there finding to get
that city clean water, predominant black city and they're still

(15:48):
doing that fight. Before we left for the break, there
was telling us about the fact that the Trump administration
already started all of this is coming to plan what
he did through Project twenty twenty five. So my question
to you, Rev, is that they have a plan for
beyond twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Your thoughts, Oh, absolutely, matter of fact. Here's the deal,
even after Trump die or whatever it is, they got
a system in place, you see. And I don't have
a lot of faith in Democrats, but I would resid
see the Democrats in death, you see. But now what

(16:24):
they're doing, they have a system. They got the system
in play, and people are not really pushing back on
them like they should. And here here's something see MSIM
for invented capitalists. You know, White people are serious about power,

(16:45):
that's what they want. Black people are serious about money.
You see. White folks want to own the situation. They
want to own own the situation. They want to be
able to control everybody, you see, that's what they want
to do. They want to tell you what you can have,
what you can eat, and all this other kind of stuff.

(17:07):
This is really the thing that's going on right now.
What they're doing is throwing their power out there. And
here's here's it. Like this administration are none of bullies.
They're gonna attack every small country because they know the
most of the small country. They can't compete with them. Militarily,

(17:27):
they can't do it. They can't do it financially. They
know that. So what they're gonna do. They're gonna attack
these different countries, these little countries. Whatever they have minerals
or or whatever it is, they plan to seize that.
And there's nothing they could do. Then we else they
do nothing. They use the term they were transforming a

(17:51):
drug here. They just let a guy got a prison
who sends four hundred dogs with cocaine to America. Make
that make sense to me, because it don't make any
sense at all. We're dealing with people trying to control
a situation they were with the Russians doing what they

(18:13):
did over there. They're doing worse than the Russes doing
and people don't know it. Anytime you see somebody in
a boat, you'll assume that they're carrying cocaine. They're caring drugs.
I'm gonna kill them. When do you kill people on
on on suspicion of something, when and the and and

(18:35):
look people here in the United States, they're not going nut.
So it's like they should they should be they should
be up and armed. So, oh no, this is not
going down. We're not this type of a country. We
don't just kill people to be killing.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Hold why are people, uh, when there's a more pushback
on this, you're correct, and what we're seeing it in
front of us, Why are American people pushing back on this?

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Well, they have nuclearized the people here. People, and see
they're doing all these little things that concerns you right now.
You see the I'm taking a social security away from you,
I'm taking your your health care away from you. People
here we we we we we live for today and

(19:23):
we pray for tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
You see.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
And this is what's happening right now, right before our
very eye. We don't even know what we got. I mean,
as a senior section, I can't really go to the
hospital no more, you know, because it'll put me in
debt maybe for the rest of my life the way
they got to set up now. But people don't understand

(19:50):
what's really going on because they're doing the little thing.
And then the news media is really this government ally
they put that crap on TV, knowing that it is
not right, knowing that they being just honest, and and
and the public feels like, hey, I ain't nothing I

(20:10):
can do, but remember, we gotta remember there's more us
than them. Once we get that in our heads, we'll
we have the ability to fight. We can't fight loans.
We think they got more power, they got more money,
they got more of this they you know, we in
our mind we think that they can let But here's
something that's important. We better make sure that we have

(20:35):
control of the army. Because I Trump and her crew
really have control of the army, he's gonna do some things.
That said so bad that if he would have control
of the army on January sixth, twenty twenty. I believe
it was if he would have had control the army,

(20:56):
he would have never left office never. But the problem
was he did not think it out. He didn't think
that you have to have control of the army to
get these things done. He didn't think on that level.
He figured that he could go in there with the
Senate and the House and try to bully his way

(21:17):
through that it don't work. You got to have control
of the army, you know, and got what he didn't have.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
All right, hold that thought right there, and he still
says that he didn't see that as an insurrection. I see,
pardon those folks, who attacked the capital as well, twenty
six minutes out of the top. They red got some
folks who already want to talk to you. Mark's reaching
out to us. He's in Houston online too. And Mark,
when you have I got a question for you about
those killings in Houston. That's it's not making national news.
Grand rise and Mark you I'm a reverend Pinckney.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
Yeah, Rise, and I'm glad. Yeah, we got some titles
down there. I talked to you about a money a
month and half will go about the anxiety being found
in the value in our government down here. He's the
city council. They run up for this.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (22:01):
I guess the SOCCA whatever is coming to America. I
guess they don't want to allow that.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
And let me just say this for the family. There's
a bunch of bodies being found in the bayous in Houston.
Money of them look like us, and they the police,
the police are refusing to say it's a serial murder,
a serial killer on the prow. They don't know, and
it's not getting really much coverage. Stuff like this man
with all these people dying, if they were were looking
like us, this would be the lead story on the

(22:29):
evening used is Reverend Pittany. We talked about the news coverage,
but this thanks to people like Marcus in Houston and
can tell us that what's going on there. So just
see if you've got people in Houston, just know if
they are aware of it. But this information is not
getting passed getting out of Texas. So that's not what
you call for. But I don't you want to call
the Reverend pepy, But.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
I'm glad you talked about it. I also called the
Shop the show Sunday morning and put that out there
and told them we need the boots on the ground.
We need to become help our people. Man, they signed
them sound like these people ain't worried about it down.
You know that's a big pish for the brother that
is speaking right now. Brand rise to my brother. Everything
you've done, I'm agreeing with you a thousand of one

(23:13):
thousand percent. And I want to go back to this
minerals like what Trump is doing just trying to get
to go get this oil.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
What he's doing Bushes.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
They're all trying to go out to these league see
little people, get the minerals. We sawt Bush did. It
was Sidon with Sady and lied, and he got a
brother to say it was that or whatever you call
it out there colon power saying something or whatever. They
said that they use things to do that, you know
what I'm saying, to get the power. But this brutiful
bill that they hat. I want to ask you'll, do

(23:45):
y'all know anything about the taxes? Or is he trying
to get rid of virus? That's that's what I've kind
of heard, but I don't know if it's true or not.
But did y'all hear any thing about that? Because ain't
nobody saying nothing about it? But I thought you you know,
Trump was in problem with tax R. He hated him.
He couldn't stand it. So what y'all think? Y'all think
he's doing something with it. It's gonna get rid of it?

Speaker 5 (24:07):
What?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
All right? Thanks? Mark? Rep your thoughts. I R S.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
Well, he's here and here to here's the plans. See,
he calls himself when he ain't getting rid of the
I R S. See the little people think he's throwing
them a boom, but not so. It's for the bellionaires
to make sure that they don't ever be taxed again.
The plan is to find a way how the billionaires

(24:32):
don't have to be taxed and that's what they're you know, basement.
You look at it, uh directly, you could see exactly
what what they're saying that you know, that's that's huge
the I R S when it comes to the billionaire,
you know, they don't they don't pay they share, but
they do pay tax. But they're gonna they want to

(24:54):
put them in the position where they don't have to
pay nothing. This is this is this is this is
housing system is being built, is built from from it's
top heavy, you know, and and and it's to me,
it's shameful and disgraceful. And I'm always thinking that we

(25:14):
as as a group of people, they they keep us going.
You see, you got you got the one percent just
by controlling the whole world. You got four percent that
are puppet. Ninety are sleep guys know what is going on,
and they're trying to wake up the rest the one percent.

(25:36):
They want to five percent to get out of here
and wake up the ninety percent. Well, don't want them
to work out the ninety ninety percent. But the point
is we got to get better as as as a
as a group. And and and we we we need
something white folks too. You know, all white folks ain't bad.

(25:57):
And you know some of them are gonna be a
thing by this tooth them boys from the Affalatian mountains
and and and and then put them poor white they
need to sit down and analyze their position. So right
now they're taking a busy just like black folks. It's
shameful in the and and let me say this too, also,
he's here on he hit on something that was good.

(26:19):
We've been having problem with dead bodies here. They found
they found in the lake here, and they always said
there was uh uh no foul play. Uh we Uh.
This white boy named Michael hoy he he he he
was uh he worked in the church and he tried

(26:40):
to rape and killed this black guy. I may have
told this before on this rail state. We believe that
he's a serial killer here and uh, but the point
is he's a friend of the of the sheriff's probing
and elect officials, so they don't push it, you see.
And and and that's the thing with me. I know

(27:01):
we want to talk about some but I just want
to throw that in because people need to know that
our black birds and sisters are being killed all over
over the country, and nobody is really talking about you
can't get the news VideA. If they find somebody in
the late first thing they said, he drowned. That's the
first thing he come out of the mouth. He driven,

(27:22):
you know, and I have said this before. They's not
one guy with waiting on his legs. He drowned. And
now how could that be shot who waits on his legs?
But that's some important anyway, let me get back your trunk.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
I wanted to just throw that in the No.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Thank you, no nov thank you for sharing that with us,
because you know, in Houston, except in double digits, and
they still are still being unreported. And once it's on report,
like you mentioned in Bedon Harbor, nobody's investigating. It's just
it's just another you know, just file thirteen, you know,
for the for the law enforcement folks.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
But go ahead and finish your first And you got.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
To listen to the termed the words that white were used.
They they're you know, somebody was found in the river
here with weights on his leg and they said, no
foul play. This guy, uh, I said, named Bulldog. They
found him in the river and he had he had
a braid and his braid and pinions were cut off

(28:19):
and they said, no foul play, you know. And and
this is what what's happening today. This is this is
this thing to everything that's happening with this Trump administration.
You see, they're trying to downplay us, and you got
some of us who actually working with them, the black community,

(28:44):
and people don't take a stand on this. I'm I'm
I'm telling you this thing gonna get worth for black people.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
You don't.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
You're gonna you're gonna find black people everywhere because one
thing we do do we live for today and we
pray for tomorrow. That is not a winning former, you see.
That is not a win informer. Because they got a system,
they got something down the road. They might have something.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Hold that thought right there, twenty six away from the
top of the family, just checking in, Reverend Ed Pinney
from Bench and Harmon, Michigan is realist. You just said
something profound as a minister, you know, the man of
the cloth, the God. You're saying, we pray for today, Well,
the other folks are doing something else.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Can we do we live for today and we pray
for tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Recover.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
But what they do they plan for tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
You see.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
See that's that's the formula that they've been using for
years and and and we don't have that capability. We
we don't have the resources to uh because we're always
in a survival move. We're in survival mold. We and
so you know, everything is is survival. We our children,

(30:05):
feeding our children, you know, and and as difficult as it,
you know it is, you know, we usually manage to
feed our children on that day. Now we got to
play on what we're gonna do tomorrow to see our children.
And this is what's happening today. This is this is
where we at a call because uh and this is

(30:27):
our system that we that we use. That's that's not
a work or not everybody. Now you know, some people,
you know they you know, they they got it made
in some but it's not enough of us to rely
on planning. Let's sit here and playing, let's let's do this.
Let's let's go buy four five grocery stores. You see,

(30:49):
we were not We don't we don't have that ability
to go out and do it because of the uh,
the banks and stuff like that. They select who they're
gonna allow to do what here. We know we only
had one store that's owned by a black person. One store,
and that's you know, to me, that's a shame we had.

(31:12):
We had we had pro basketball players, uh from this community,
and what you find they don't believe in building like that.
You know, it's unfortunate. We got to get better cars,
we got to get better and we got to come
up with a former that we should use all around

(31:34):
the country. Then we don't do it, we're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, and hold that thought there. We got to check
the news in the market in Baltimore City wants to
speak with you. Family, just picking up on us. Reverend
Pinckney's I guess he's activists pastor out in Benton Harbor, Michigan.
He started his crusade again getting clean water for the
residents of Bench and Harber, predominantly black town. They still
don't have clean water in Bench and Hoppin. He's still
on the case. But we're talking about this one is

(32:00):
twenty twenty six. What are your thoughts? You want to
join the conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take the
phone calls. That's we check the news, trafficking weather in
our different cities. That's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks
for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning. Our
guest is Reverend Edward Pinckney. Reverend Pinckney is an activist
out of Benton Harbor, Michigan. They're finding to get clean

(32:21):
water for the residents of that predominant black city. Before
we go back to let me just remind you come
up later this morning, I'm going to speak with the
Pan African critical thinking expert, doctor David Horn. Before we
hear from doctor Horn, retired college professor, I'm and Ras
going to join us. And later this week you're going
to hear from Grio doctor James Small and also Public
Enemies Minister of Information, Professor Griff will be here. So
if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep you ready,

(32:43):
locked and tight on ten ten WLB or if you're
in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty WOL. All right,
Rev Mark in Baltimore has a question for you? Or
comedy is online? Three Grand Rise in Mark, Barry Ghani,
you're on with Reverend Pinckney.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yes, the Good Morning shall I'm a relation all you
is a happy quantity. Today is state five of the
Seven day Festival. Today's famous Nia. I'm part of a
Jewish community here where sort of like the people who
are fighting for survival as well, along with the African
American community. And our concern is this.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Right?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Recently as the fore right has tried to name a
certain building performing arts center after the leader of this
country illegitimately. I know this legislation has been introduced in
Congress by two Democratic representatives to try to prevent something
being named on someone still alive. Another thing is that
refuse to recognize the both Martin Luther King and June

(33:43):
Teep as far as having free passes to the National
Park system. My question is is there going to be
an attempt to name holiday after Charlie Kirk or are
they going to try to dismantles of Martin Luther King
Holiday next month? Or what are they going to do
with the holidays and the building namings. This is what

(34:03):
willly concerns us. Without the will of people being involved,
what do you think is going to happen?

Speaker 6 (34:09):
Well, there's something that's going to happen. Trump is going
to put his name on as many obviists as possible,
because what he do, he's strong on the people. Either
you do what I've trained, or we come after you
because you've got the power. This is what he do.
And when you think about Martin Luther King's birthday, if

(34:32):
he can, he's going to try to eliminate that completely.
June Kenth, He's going to try to eliminate these days,
anything that that that uh that has to do with
black folks, anything, He's going to try to eliminate and
try to put his name on everything. I was listening
to Jimmy Kimmel last night and he was talking. He

(34:54):
put he put in platts in the in the White House,
uh to saying things against Biden and Obama. You see,
this is the way he attacks people. This is how
he's attacking. He won't build himself up. He in reality,
Trump is nothing. He's the president of the most powerful

(35:16):
country in the world, and he's he's workless and we
keep giving him power. He he asked they had that
on sixty minutes. They was gonna add this business about
about the about the immigrants being put in these cages.
He's he had his people to call them and they

(35:38):
took it off the air. They would not allow us
it to be played. You see, he didn't know he
got the power. He didn't know that he got the
power to do these things. He's going to try to
eliminate anything that has black in front of it. If
he can find a way to neutralize us financially, he's
gonna do it. And he's gonna attack anything anything standing

(36:00):
this way because it's all about the being there. It
ain't even about his people, his voters. It's about the
being there and what we have to do. We have
to show him. People have to come out that No,
Kenny Day was was great. I love that. You know
what we got. We gotta keep that taste up. We
gotta make sure he understands because he don't like people

(36:20):
talking about him, and tell him the truth. You know,
this is I never saw stuff like this. When did
alive become the truth and the truth become alive, When
the good become evil and evil is good? This is
where we are today. Anytime that you willing and in
his sides sight, everybody know you. You know you you

(36:45):
just here and he's gonna do everything in his power
to neutralize black folks and trying to destroy black people
because that's what this thing is put together, is trying
to do well.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I'm here minutes away from the tape Ira. I just
let me share this story with you. This is breaking
today about what happened in the Netherlands, Holland the U.
S Melty troops of the cemetery there. Our troops are
buried there anymore. Many of those troops who liberated Europe
from the Nazis were black that were on the front line.
So they made up two plaques, you know, sharing the
accomplishments of our black troops who died at that cemetery

(37:22):
and what happened. Because of pressure from Washington, they took
those plaques down so that you know, there's nothing special
about what our black troops did to liberate the Nazis
in Holland. The Dutch people took it down after, you know,
because they heard that Donald Trump talked about dismandling diversity,
equity and inclusion programs and what he spoke to what

(37:42):
he said to Congress said our country will be woke
no longer. But the Dutch interpreted that well, they didn't
want to upset Donald Trump. So those plaques that honored
our black soldiers who freed Europe from the Nazis. We
were in the forefront of all these wars, if you
don't know, And Kevin had to look that up and
I told them they always put us on the front line.
So because of what the role of our troops day

(38:03):
they made, they honored them with two plaques at the cemetery,
and the Dutch people took it down because the Diny
want to upset Donald Trump. That's he was just breaking
this morning, ten minutes away for the top day our family.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Rev.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Like you said, the smaller goes goes after the smaller countries.
But Cliff in Connecticut at wants to join the conversation.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Rev.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
He's online too, Grand Rising Cliff, and Abari Gania and
Reverend Pinckney'd.

Speaker 9 (38:26):
Beques to you, Brother Carl ran Rising to you and
to the Rev.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
And Rev.

Speaker 9 (38:30):
I just need your help on this, and also Brother Carl,
if you can help weighing on this as well. It's
obvious to what you're saying in terms of the black
community and black people is obvious is being targeted by
this administration. But one sector of people that I have
not heard representing or even pushing back or saying that

(38:51):
anything is a so called leadership in the Jewish community. Now,
maybe it's me or maybe I'm missing something, but the
soul called elite rich Jewish people or the Jewish leadership,
I'm not hearing anything from this now and my wrongers
and me or what Reverend Pinckney.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Well, you know after you right on, Porner, who's gonna
stand up for black people? Have you ever known anybody
this I mean and really come out and support black people?

Speaker 10 (39:21):
Now?

Speaker 6 (39:21):
To think about this themesticism? Now, they wanted, like I
don't have several conversations with different people that they wanted
me to come speak at different places. You know, it
hurted me to say this, but I have to say, well,
I couldn't do it cause when we were don't trouble Now,
you never once mentioned that you wanted to come and

(39:43):
join us for anything. And nobody comes to the aid
of black people, nobody, you know, and bless fact black
people don't sometimes don't even come to the aid of
black people. So you know, we're we're we're on that island,
you know, and uh h and and where we're just there.

(40:03):
That's how they're able to neutralize us if we never
change together on one term, we'll we'll be right where
we need to be. And let me let me say
this real fast. I get a sermon when I put
the question. You know, I tell you the question of
the day. It was the Black church, the new plant case.

(40:25):
And I explained to to the congregations that this is
only a question. And you you should have some of
some of the comments that I received, and I put
it on faithor saying stuff it's it's black people. Well,
you know you you can't stand something that's not defendable,

(40:46):
you see. And I'm I'm I'm I'm a pastor of
the church. I know, uh, you can't defend it. But
what we as black people have to do. We got
to get out to reorganized.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
We got to be sad.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Who's going for the most important weapon that we have
is our children. That's what's all this is going on now,
going to affect you know, someone like me, I'm an
old host, you see, but our children. They are going
to neutralize our children, and that's what they're targeting it
right now.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
We don't see it that way, yeah, right, that hold though,
I want to get your response to your congregation when
when you pose that question to them, you said that.
Some people asked, some issues, can you share some of
that with us? What were they concerned about?

Speaker 6 (41:32):
Absolutely, they say, uh, now you know what, I know
you were in my church. You ain't you know, you're
not on no Blackbird plant. Tell it because I'm not
gonna going to accept it. But uh they was, you know,
they really got into it. Something said, well uh uh
uh they was assaulted by it. You know, that insulted me.

(41:54):
I said, well, you know, I said, it's only a question.
Oh yes, you would say yes or no, give an explanation.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
That's all.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
That's all you need, you know, we need to talk about.
But even on faith I put it on faithful. There
was some people, oh, that's insulting Black Pete the churches.
I said, well, look I have a congregation. I know,
I know what the saying was not to say, but
I want to make sure they understood that they're not
on the plantation and they're gonna get out here and
work for the people in the community. That was the

(42:24):
whole thing. And some someime to realize.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Exa'st what I was saying.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
And uh they they you know, they did call me
talk to me, and I should playing to them. And
they they was all four because there was some who
was upset, you see. And uh uh And like I
told you, I ain't mad at you. You know, you're
gonna be upset, be upset, you know. But the problem
is we're gonna get out here and fight. We're gonna
fight because district't gonna get bad. They're gonna get bad.

(42:50):
Now I'm telling you.

Speaker 11 (42:54):
Something else.

Speaker 9 (42:54):
Fine, if you could respond with brother Kevin, the so
called black your Jewish leadership. And also it's that caller,
previous caller could just give me a name. Maybe I
could be wrong, maybe I need to be staying corrected,
but I'm looking for that response.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Thank you, brother, all right, thankfully, And I just put
it on them alone. As Rev just said, black leaders
as well. You know, if if our black leaders are
not responding, and expect other people to respond, Cliff, But
go ahead, Revin, I'll let you respond to Cliff's question.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
See. See, that'sh the problem. We will have given each
other a free pass, you know, and that have put
us in a compromise to me, you see, we will
give each other all the way he got to do.
Like like like the ballplayers, they don't reinvest into our community.
We give them. We you know they can't do it.
They do it, it's gonna happen. Well, look at it

(43:47):
like this, Sometimes you have to do what you would
have to do, you know, help. If we don't help
each other, you know, we're in the work of fall
that elen happen in history because we're not helping each other.
We're not helping each other. We got to help each other.

(44:08):
And if fires. You know, Jewish people these organizations, ain't
nobody gonna come to our aids. They not coming brings
yourself more like I said, black people ain't even coming
to black people aids. You know, they're trying to get
all the money they you get. And in order for
us to really get serio and get tough, we got

(44:30):
to make sure we're just making sure we're educating our children.
You see. That's the that's the weapon that they not
count on. They not count on on Black folks educating
the children about future, not the future, you see, it's
not the it's the presence. But we have to make
sure we build we build a foundation for the future

(44:50):
for our children. If we're not doing that, all we're
doing is shooting ourselves in the blitz.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
All right, hold up, all right there, right, we gotta
step aside and get caught up with the trafficking weather
in our different cities. It's four minutes away from the
top of our family. You two can join our conversation
with our guess. It's from Benton Harbor, Michigan. His name
is Reverend Edward Pinkney. Reverend Pinckneys in the forefront of
the in that city probably black city by the way. Family,
they don't have clean water and it's been doing this
now for decades. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and

(45:16):
four to five zero seventy eight seventy six will get
you into the conversation. We'll take your phone calls after
we check the weather and traffic in the different cities.
That's next and grand rising family, and welcome to Tuesday morning.
I guess is the Reverend ed Pinckney from Benton Harbor, Michigan.
Bari Ghana as well, family, and today's the fifth day
of Quanti. And your response is nea, which means purpose.
Reverend Pinkney, we got some folks want to talk to you,

(45:37):
and also we got brother Amen Rah is standing by
Professor almorra is, the retired professor. He's on deck. We
gets me momentary. But Charles in Baltimore has a question
for Reverend Pinkney. Charles grand Rising, your question for Reverend Pinckney.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Yes, how you doing today?

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Greeting great?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Well. I gotta say, you know, when we had a government,
we were very traditional, or we have been traditional, but
tradition has gone out the window, and it seems like
we don't have any oversight, we don't have any checks
or balances. And I'm saying, you know, from the mayors

(46:16):
to the governors to the presidents, since nineteen ninety nine,
they have been rewriting everything. I mean we're talking about
money procedures, new laws, more oppression.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
You know by debt.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
No, how can a president use the federal reserve for
his own personal profit? Did the federal reserve change? I mean,
how did it change or why did it change? Is
this has something to do with the government ending in
nineteen ninety nine and the shadow government being in existence since?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Is that your question?

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Chas?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
All right?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Response? Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
See see like I said before, there's something building building
and building they have started twenty thirty years ago. They
took it. They have to figure out a way how
they can neutralize the poor people see, not just black people,
but poor people. See you keep poor people fighting with

(47:27):
each other. You tell the people like, well, if LBJ
said that if you can convincece the poorest white person
that he's better than the best black person, then you
can pick his pocket and he won't even know it.
He said, hell, he'll give you everything in his pocket
if you can convince them. And that's what they said.

(47:47):
They started it years and years ago. They always dislike
black people, even the ones the electrical fishers. They got
the electrical officials to dislike black people, you know. And
what the thing is, we're trying to prove out humanity.
Who those to those who don't behave in a humanitarian way.

(48:07):
That's what we try. We try, we don't. We ain't
taking the gloves off. I'm the guy who take the
gloves off, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
And they know that.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
We have to figure out the way how we're going
to fight together right now. We got to start building
for the future of our children. I'm gonna see I'm
saying this and every time my cot I talk about
the children, because that's the foundations. That's what they don't
want us to do, you know, they don't want us
to bring up young warriors. They don't want us to
bring up educated people. Education don't mean nothing today, you know. Basically,

(48:40):
it's just there, you know people, you know, they come
up with all these little gimmicks to neutralize black people,
you know, and we fall into the child we want
to be like them. We you know, it's just like
they're on the job and a black person becomes the supervisor.
He started treating like then q Q. And that's how

(49:03):
i'n fortunate. But we have to make sure that we
get out here and keep All we can do is
tell them what they do. That information is on them.
And that's why I don't use no, I don't lose
no more sweeps over this. I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
And saying that you're ready five out the top of
rever What do you what do you anticipate is gonna
happen in twenty twenty six or what moves do you
want us to make going into the new one?

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Thing?

Speaker 6 (49:29):
We got to begin to show a united front. That's
one of the key things that you know, I'm saying
that they I'm saying this is good. Fifty million of us.
We got a few sand bowls running around who put
money ahead of everything, you know, those who put money
ahead of everything, they're part of the problem, you see.

(49:52):
But what we need to do, we got to reorganize ourselves.
We got to come with one language. You know, build, build,
build a foundation for the future of our children. But
they're coming after our children. They're not coming after us.
This is for twenty years down the road.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
What they're doing now.

Speaker 6 (50:13):
They're having a system.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
That they built.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
They built the system just like it is, and then
and now they want to attack it, tears out and
rebuild it to be what they wanted to be.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
You know.

Speaker 11 (50:28):
Let me jump in and ask this question from this country.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Do we need another Gary meeting that we had in
seventy two? Do we need another collaboration with all our
leaders from across the country to come together and formulate
some sort of a Black agenda going forward? Do we
need to have one of those meetings again?

Speaker 12 (50:47):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (50:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
We need to find out who's on our side. We
need to find out who's with who's not motivated by money?
Who you know, this is what we need to do.
And then we need to sit down with these athletes
because they're that entertaining for them. We need to sit
down with them and explain to them. They roll. You see,

(51:08):
you see in my game, we everybody had a role.
We had a roll to my father, he had a
role to play. Everybody had a role. Now everybody is
all over the place. You know, nobody wants to be
with him. I don't like the way he calls. They
tell me this all the time. I don't like the
way rather than take he cap, he said, be talking
like that. And I said, well, okay, I said, oh,

(51:32):
I can tell you. Oh. I said, okay, all right.
You know you do the thing not to do mine.
That's not the way it's supposed to be. We want
to come to some kind of grievance, sit down and
figure out how we're gonna build this thing. Build this
foundation for the growth of our children. That's what we
need to do. We need to make sure that everything.

(51:54):
See they gott children, got them on this designer stuff.
They gotta have these air joy these four hundred dollars.
Just no, they don't you go out and buy them
with some kids for two, whether two or twenty five,
and and and and and and and build unect care
of your business. We don't take care of business like
we should, like we used to do. We used to

(52:15):
take care of business. We don't do that no more.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
And we got let you go. What why is that?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Though, Rebel, what you said is true. We don't do
what our parents did for us. But can that work
in today's society because it's a different world we're living
in right now.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
Oh, they got it this way, they got there. See,
this is no accident. This was designed just.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
Like a e is.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
But we as parents stars at home. Everything starts at home.
You got to open up the doors, open up the
channels of communication so that we can can explain and
do what needs to be done for the future. Everything
we do right now should be for the future. We
should be dealing for you know, like they do. They

(52:59):
playing ten years, fifteen years, twenty years ahead, you see.
And like I said, you see we look we're survivors.
You see, we are survived. See we may look like
people with no hope, but we are chosen by God.
And I believe that, I believe that with all my
heart that we are chosen by God. And in order

(53:21):
for us to really make something happen, we have to
put our feelings away. We got to put them egos away,
and we got to say well, this is going to happen.
We need to form a fund of the United Front.
And that's how it's supposed to be done.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Oh, Reverend thinking Kevin Lankford here, Look before you go,
are there any information you like to share it with
the listeners of how they could reach you or get
in touch.

Speaker 13 (54:04):
Or absolutely, you can call me Reverend Edward Pinkney at
two six nine three sixth nine eight two five seven.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Let me repeat that, Reverend Edward paint me two six
nine three sixth nine eight two five seven. And I
tell you I really appreciate Carlin Nelson.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
I really do.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
I'm I'm happy to be on here. I'm happy to
get up in every morning or the morning that you request.
And uh, let's let's learn how we can fight together.
Let's let's figure out how we're gonna fight for our children.
Let's figure out how we can make this happen. So
you can call me at two sixty nine three sixty
nine eight two five seven. And if you call me

(54:52):
you need me, I will come. Thank you, run, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 11 (54:59):
Because you're where is respawner?

Speaker 4 (55:00):
We call you?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Thank you?

Speaker 11 (55:02):
All right? Family, as I mentioned, it's ten after the
top that that was Reverend Ed Pinckney from Benon Harbor, Michigan,
sat our attention now to a retired professor, Brother Amen
Raj joined us room at cal State Long Beach. That's
where he taught Professor almen ra about Rigani Grand Rising.
Welcome to the program.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Me appropriately he like Wanza in grand Riding Grant right.
Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (55:26):
Girl?

Speaker 11 (55:27):
Sure? I can hear you. I can hear you fine?

Speaker 5 (55:29):
I good, good, good good? Yeah, you know, I want
you to pick up on.

Speaker 11 (55:33):
What Reverend Pinckney talked about the planning for our future,
you know, because there's a lot of taught that we
don't plan. He started off by telling us about how
Project twenty twenty five wasn't concocted a few years ago.
That's been in the years. They've been planning this for years,
and they have another plan. They think long term. We
we plan we certain times just think short term. You

(55:57):
agreement that we should have another you know that power
meeting that we had in Gary in seventy two. Do
you think we need to come up with a black
agenda going forward? Reverend PingER says, we have to do
this for the children. What are your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Yes, I agree that we should have a number of
Gary in the end. Means it's not gonna just be one.
I attended the one in Gary back in nineteen seventy
throughout the representatives that was going then by Lunda. I
think the revenue is right about what we need to
do and change. The struggle begins essentially with the parents,

(56:32):
and the parents at the home and so some parents
at the home, and then we need to work on
developing children to be also a part of the struggle.
It's a challenge because he used the European planners and

(56:53):
doing nothing doing that. But this was their plan from
the beginning they I mean, and that's to put their
plan is doing right now. What they have to land,
they have to really global dominance and Europeans. I mean
they've always tried to move that way as the Native

(57:15):
American after Japanese as a visna means that's every struggle
in every war, it's all been about land and power. Now,
but what our challenges getting the resources to organize and
to educate people in a different way, where a different language,

(57:38):
in a different way of looking at life. Right, So
sometimes our kids do what they see us do, and
that in some of our parents are comfortable in their
own oppression. They don't necessarily. I mean they seem to
be comfortable with Europeans bombing uh the boats and uh

(58:05):
and then played bombing and Knight uh that area bombing
uh uh somewhere here and they create a problem and
then they act like they want to solve the problem.
No one asking the question, but the gen side in
suit hand and somebodya who's giving them the gun?

Speaker 11 (58:28):
And before we go down that road, before we get
into an international page, I want to go back to
seventy two, because you were a Gary in seventy two.
The problems that we had back in the late sixties
to early seventies. Do you still see those problems with
facing as a community today.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Yeah. The white people in the white white institutions there
were always been the problem. And we we did development
jen a Mari and Morocco was wanting to look about
it and he was there, but we had division there.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Uh Uh.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Sherry Chisholm didn't, the ten Man Jackson didn't didn't the
ten Uh. It was a couple of other people that
didn't attend uh. High profile people and they really talked
against it because they didn't they were you know, he
was she she was running for the Democratic nomination, and uh,

(59:27):
you know that's that's the issue with regards to politics
and power. Uh in a twin and woven together. And
you have black people trying to be uh uh uh
congressmen and senators. And he was on the local school

(59:47):
boy menions and school boards and college boys and water
commissions and beings. But their agenda is not political. To
pursue political power for the was the game political position
for themselves. And when you start talking about congrids people,
it's about money. It's about many money. You can look

(01:00:12):
at some of the leeds wet. They went in talking
about what they're gonna do for the people and things
that nature, but they got overwhelmed and they just started
doing with Trump going going for the money.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
And we're not all right there. I'll let you expand
on that in a moment, but we're gonna step aside
for a few moments and sixteen minutes at the top
of our family, just checking in. I guess it's retired
professor Amen Rad. You got to want to join this
conversation with Professor arm and Rad reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we'll take a phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

(01:00:45):
thanks are rolling with us on this Tuesday morning and
this last week of twenty twenty five. I guess there's
an armed Rah. Brother Amarah is a former college professor
and brother Amirad, you're telling us he was at the
Garrett convention in nineteen seventy two. So brother amara on
you finished explaining to other family because many of us,
some folks weren't even born back in seventy two, how

(01:01:06):
that conference came about and what came out after that conference, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
It was it was crystallizing the black movement, UH. And
there was an effort to organize us to come to
Gary to develop a black palytical agenda, and we did
one of our she of course DC becoming a state,

(01:01:30):
reforming the welfare at that time and working with the poor,
economic development among ourselves and spending among our sales. I mean,
we did develop the agenda, and that by some strong
activists and community people that the people forget that the

(01:01:53):
system spend billions of dollars UH to alter us with
cointail know that began to intervene because he came up
the black revote revoked during the sixties, then led up
to uh the vision of black power through politics and

(01:02:17):
through political organizations. That's how Mary got started. And I
think Willie Brown hit our delegations from California. But you know,
they they changed. A lot of people changed, like Harry Ewards.
We got to the black athlete in the Six Day Olympics. Now,
you know Harry changed. Other people cham not calling him

(01:02:39):
out for change. I mean he was overwhelmed. Muhammad Ali changed,
you know, the person don't go to the war now
he was encouraging people to voted the name. I mean,
those things happened because of the pressure. But getting back
to Gary, it was it was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
At a high school gym and many of us at
that time, UH people were who came there were the
mass of the people who were strong and they may
put forth the things that they wanted to their to
their representatives and delegations. Because we have a big tent

(01:03:21):
that black people and we have different issues. Uh, what's
going on in Chicago may not be happening in California
because yeah, Chicago, Kaint Lewis and the South had a
big in train of black people where in certain states,

(01:03:43):
and then journeys do small states make the most noise?
I mean, you know best in California they had two rebellions,
they had ninety two. Then getting back to what you
said about the agenda, it's one thing that Magan agenda,
but it's another thing to implement it. And you have

(01:04:03):
to implement your agenda. And what happened at Garry We
had the big meeting, and I think the only follow
ups were were to buy La Baraka on the East coach.
We've got that black agenda, and to bend it back,
but we never really got back together. And and and

(01:04:27):
then spend the time in Gary, you real be ongoing
community meetings.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
That was supposed to come out like a mere market
made a lot of that was a great market fair
Catt and Black Court Nationalist Black Owe Avenue put together
uh that we just recently celebrated. Uh. And but you
got the follow up here to get that marching, watching

(01:04:57):
the march and watching the boy fair cart we had
to have it. It was two parts to it. It
was one to come the DC. The others that the
boycott and stay home from school. And had workshops at home.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
It was a.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Two parts and we had workshops off leading up to
the march. And that's why it made it so such
successful ministers with renting busses to bring take their kids
to it. And but you have to have a structure
and constructure and and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
And the being there.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
They do a lot of the the trumpet things they
are black and you know the beyondres though because uh
the jay z all they do a lot of things
you know that seemed to be beautiful. But any of
us school Lebron James wanted to be teaching at the
school teaching person of responsibility. I think what philosophy and

(01:06:02):
ideology and the issue is is that I'll struggle with
the law attractors struggle and I commend the people that
the black lines matter the organization, uh for their longevity.
Many other organizations pay in the national best grow in
New York where the doctor Big Owner Shibaka they have

(01:06:26):
They're still try and organize the people in educating people.
But when you have megachurches and that that align with
Republican Party and mega church black megachurches that uh talking about,
you know you're gonna go to heaven if you don't
worry about what's going on earth. They created the problem

(01:06:50):
for it as far as didn't massive, I'm not worried
about them that. I think that if you did a
strong enough movement and you got to build a black room,
and is doctor Karna's say, and you've got a philosophy
operation unity, unity with diversity, in unity with our uniformity

(01:07:10):
and also the ethics of the mows and value and
we have to start from basics. I believe what Rather
he was saying, he begins at home. But we were
assuming that we have the same homes in seventy two.
I think you mentioned that that you were in a
different era and uh, we're not in control of our homes.

(01:07:33):
I mean you got AI controlling the home. You got
TV like the nine Imut Bible. Say who's the professor
of psychology as dot of color and he would say,
we was kidnapped at that time and by electronic TVs.
And now you've got people kidnapped by assignments space and

(01:07:57):
you've got to uh the systems choosing people that making
them comminent in their society. That I'm right, and that
becomes the goal as the kids they want to be
like you no professional athlete or professional magician, even if

(01:08:20):
they desired to go into the education and get a
job or get be engineered. What is your parent get
what's hold?

Speaker 11 (01:08:31):
I thought, right there, Professor Amanrah, let me bring you
some more folks who want to talk to your family
just joining us twenty eight minutes after top of that,
I would I guess former college professor brother Amanrah. He
touched on a lot of stuff talking about, first, you know,
the need for another Gary, Indiana type meeting, and I
asked him to break that down because so many of
our people, some of the young people, weren't around at

(01:08:51):
the Gary. At the Gary meeting, he attended it and
what the objections were and the outcome, because after the
Gary meeting, we see a lot of a lot of
black elected officials came out of that meeting, especially Congress
and even even on the local side, a lot of people,
a lot of black folks were elected to office following
that meeting in Gary. And as somebody mentioned who was

(01:09:13):
there earlier mentioned a couple of days ago that was
dominated by Reverend Jackson. Oh that was there yesterday, Doctor
Taylor mentioned that the Gary meeting. But what are your
thoughts family. You want to get in on this conversation
with Professor Alman Rod, reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Brother
Andre's checking in from LAS online one. Grand Rising, Andre,

(01:09:34):
You're on with doctor Almen ra.

Speaker 14 (01:09:37):
Yes, Grand Rising Paul and Grand Rising also Professor Roh.
I wanted to first congratulate you and Professor Krga on
your retirements. You've certainly been on this day Leah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Purpose. You've certainly been.

Speaker 15 (01:09:53):
Stead passing this of your purpose here over the years
in Los Angeles and all over the nation actually and
and in our community. So congratulations to you both. And
I want to also thank you for your update on
Gary and uh, certainly I think we need to revamp
that and as you're you're critical in this whole movement

(01:10:15):
to bring back that consciousness.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:10:18):
My question is after you finished speaking more on Gary,
is that do you think that with the rising uscillation
of tensions in northwest Nigeria that the Africans, which which
which we know is about resources, is not about this
Christian if that's all escalated about the massacre of Christians
to though it's about getting national uh location Geo locating

(01:10:41):
along the UH Hill states, and it's about especially Bettina,
Parsu and Nigier where all the precious minerals are uranium,
so many others that we both know about. But the
question of itself is UH in their positioning, the GEO
positioning to be in proximity to those states. But the
question is do you think as tensions rise, that the

(01:11:03):
African American military, for those engaged in military will conscientiously
object to us continueing tensions to look at Sudan, we
see that that hasn't happened, but continuing escalating our tensions
in that region for the first time, you know, knowing
that they're dropping bombs when our people, many of us
have come from Nigeria actually in that region. Do you

(01:11:26):
think that there will be a rise of awareness in
our military to object against this further movement. And I'll
take my answer off the air and thank you again
for all that you do and all this you've done
for Los Angeles, this nation and the world with your
expertise and your knowledge, your wisdom. Thank you again, Assanti.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
Yeah, I appreciate what you're saying. Thank you for the
government for me and doctor Karina as well. Question they
do dropping bombs, but not the physical bombs and military
bounds mental violence on our people. The three major UH
religions that are co operative Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. They're

(01:12:11):
over there dropping bounce of our people. You be surprised
that on the continent, how many of our people turn
to you opinion EU opeon interpretations of spirituality and the
goals and objectives they want to They uh promote white

(01:12:32):
ideology and philosophy all over the continent and they impose it.
They imposed, you know, the Native American hair cut off
their hair, and it's called our culturation. And then we uh,
you know, one of the lessons that we have to
learn and that that we've suggested people learning in fact

(01:12:52):
the SS for sacred people, see the good in us
of the people. The European has been billions of dollars
to make people want to divorce themselves from the race
and just be American, to get comfortable in the impression
and what TCIs abound it in physical body. But America
got over fifty thousand truths throughout Africa, all the major

(01:13:16):
war I mean the region of World War two and
all that they fought on the continent of Africa. But
it's a very complicated. Our struggle is long and protracted.
It took us hundreds of years to get out of
the holocaust of enslavement, and it's going to take a

(01:13:37):
long time to get young people engaged. And the strategies
and the strategies that do that is to try to
get a sense of communication on a covert level at
home and teach their kids that we're behind enemy line

(01:13:57):
and a lot of ideology. Teach you at home and
and the community areas covert actions. Uh, so they last
to teaching. Bobby Right said some of us are suffering
fromenticide and that that that that that uh, that is

(01:14:21):
accurate if you look if you look at how the
system have meticide. Uh, as far as they're culturating people
are many young people want the American dreams, and the
novel said the American dream is the American night mare,
because you can want what Americans say you should be

(01:14:43):
and you it's like those cops that those about four
or five black cops that beat the un the brother
Jergie Mandy's card, I forget what it is. The I mean, yeah, yeah, many,
I mean they just beat this brother. Uh and then

(01:15:04):
now they're on trial, and you could get that. You know,
we had the people, but understand that everybody's not gonna
come along. You know that people are married to various
ethnic groups of the white and they you know, black
people are like clients, toles and and they've other black

(01:15:27):
political figures and they they being only represent what what
the black office to represent? What one don't no more
than about five or six percent of the democratic one.
I mean, so where where where problems could be? In
local and the reverent people? He was saying, it starts

(01:15:48):
in the home, and it's correct, but the homes are
now households because they're not in control of the homes
like we used to be in seventy two. And we
had a different As College pointed about, we were coming
out since the Black powel, the Black liberation movement and
civil rights movement, and we were pursuing black the medical

(01:16:11):
power at that time, William Ricks and Stobe Carmichael was
was screaming, and even Stubby changed and wanted to become
a Pan Africanist and became Kamitray and they were calling
himself black and the Africans. We got so many different
ideologies out there sometimes it confuses the children because we

(01:16:36):
don't put a structure that that's just one of the
idealities that we choose to be that way. That's why
in the sixties we had a simple a gender freedom
of the Civil Rights movement and the Black Power movement
were there saying that they just had different taxes one

(01:17:00):
England violin and integration attle more of a Christian movement,
students for no violent, for a name.

Speaker 11 (01:17:09):
Communion and then hold though right there, Professor Armenrod, we'll
rest of us after four moments and check the news.
Latest news coming up when we come back though. You
said we had an agenda back in the seventies, Well,
we're all on board on one of agenda. When we
come back, tell us what you think that agenda should
be for twenty twenty six. Family, you two can get
in on this conversation with our guest, Professor ahmen rad As,

(01:17:30):
retired professor at cal State Lumbach. You want to join
the conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred four
five zero seventy eighth seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls. That's we check the news, trafficking, weather, that's next.
As in family, and the Barigani and your responsor being
nea which means purpose. On this fifth day of Ponta,
our guest is Professor Armen Rau, I should say, retired

(01:17:51):
college professor Armen Rod giving us what he thinks we
should be doing for twenty twenty six before we go
back to developments. To remind you, coming up later this morning,
we're gonna speak with another form of professor, but a
Pan African critical thinking Expertisionary retired doctor David Hornwell join us,
and later this week you're going to hear from Grill
doctor James Small about Todd Griole's and also public enemies.

(01:18:11):
Minister of Information Professor Griff will be here. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio
locked in tied on ten ten WLB or if you're
in the DMV era on fourteen fifty WOL. All right,
Professor almanra your thoughts on what you think the Black
Committees should be doing for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
Well, Thickball, I continue to struggle. I need that we
need to get back into our cultural movement where we
ritualize and theologize our listening to the people. It's for
the good that we're doing and support those that are
struggling with your movements and programm that we have. You

(01:18:53):
have the reparation, you have the economic development movement of
the many groups that are really building a black un
in front. All those types of things are good, but
it begins with the individual. And that's why Black Studies
was very very important when we started it, because it

(01:19:17):
was student driven and the whole purpose was to educate
us to be better parents and conscious conscious parents, and
to be about for the future and to be one
in which we don't feel defeated because the white folks
exercising their efforts, are trying to globalize the world and

(01:19:40):
rule the world. Most people just want to live on
the planet and be comfortable living and that freedom to
be ourselves. I just think that we have to go
back to the city. When doctor Karnge said to keep
chrisis in the black lives as a culture crisis, a
crisis of value and fuss and this is what was

(01:20:02):
very important. The system chooses and promote our type of
leaderships from wrap artness to other forms of athletes and
uh and thus nature that that ourtivity get wrapped up
in and we got to get them to want to
be like malvilm like Harrett president if not in in

(01:20:23):
in uh uh you know we're in which they can
get uh neutralized. But in a covert man, I have
a heard a mentality among the women. I have a
Malcolm mentality among the young boys as far as their
consciousness and uh, it's it's a complicated situation when you

(01:20:46):
have like in Gary, I mean you said some beautiful wood,
grave tech and you say, you're in a different era.
And we have to use all the tools that we
can to educate our people. We have to master AI.
We have to master our households like the Prince May

(01:21:08):
and our children and foster parents under the drug epidemic
and then saturating the commanded with drugs and poverty and homelessness.
But we have to develop institutions that are dressed. The
reason why we're not organizing all our having a revolution

(01:21:31):
or mentality. I think Malcolm said we in position to
have a bloodlet's revolutions said most revolutions are bloody, and
if you knew what they were, you wouldn't need to
use that work. But then he came back, because we
in a position to have a bloody blood, that's revolution
and that is changing our mentality in our culture, apparatus

(01:21:55):
and value system. I mean when you look at what
they the reverend be talking about, I mean some people
talking about Look what they're doing is after while they
found me, they adsassinated come home. This ain't new. And
they took assassinating to Dousi and they assassinate to create

(01:22:19):
divisions all over the count in that they corrupt the
leaders with Neil Colombia, there's a many of them and
we have to think that. But don't be disheartened because
they're doing this. They're trying to maintain their power and
we have to try to build the power to free
ourselves and we can be ourselves. So and so where

(01:22:41):
the economic boycott I mean revenue U reminister out of
that Atlanta. Uh, I'm gonna get the name right now
and come to me, you know, and and revend a
couple of minutes are Giman boycott the Target and big
box places?

Speaker 11 (01:23:02):
And yeah, you're talking about the Reverend Jamal Bryant a
tent away from the top, I remember, right.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
And I'm doing the heavy set one. Uh I forget
his name too. Yeah, I mean we got some strong
ministers that are out there really teaching hard, teaching hard
and waking people up. Let teddy pendographics. They wake up everybody,
no more sleeping in bed, no more back of thinking,
type of thing, mad and in those type of movements

(01:23:30):
are going on and just small sectors because you don't
see it on TV. Don't mean we ain't doing anything.
They make you think you ain't doing anything, and nobody's
doing anything. We got a lot of people that are
trying to arganize, educate, motivate people who are be in
the movement. We just don't get the riot. I mean

(01:23:53):
seventy you know, they focused on us because they wanted
to make us an enemy so that they if they
infiltrate the organizations and manipulated organizations with philanthropic people like
Warning Brand or Gain Found they all got involved in
the Black in the seventies, you know, and changed the

(01:24:14):
Black Panther Party from a defense organization to one that
began to say we can meet the system from with
the end and start running from a little go off
me and the same thing with UH. But there are
some organizations right that have maintained their value system. The
answer to the positive education out of Chicago, building independent

(01:24:37):
schools and using the charter system to open up schools
like in Hotel in Philadelphia, one of the most outstanding
Black country schools.

Speaker 11 (01:24:47):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
There are people that are going back, leading trips back
to the continent PSHWALKWASI and doctor. They go tobacco, they
take the relegations to steal going back to Africa. It's
the conscience rider. We have the final all front. We
have pigs right when he says it begins at home,

(01:25:11):
but the home is dysfunctional. You know, how do we
correct that? And so it's a little thing, so we can't.
We can't correct all the homes. You know. The black
farmers have a different agenda, you know, but our own agenda,
our own I think, as you said, quality is perfect.

(01:25:33):
What is our purpose in life? To do good and
bring good into the world. And that's a struggle within
thisself and we all look to evolutionary change.

Speaker 11 (01:25:43):
Right again. Professor Arman Raj seven minutes away from the
top of our family, just checking in on this Tuesday morning.
I guess it's Professor hmen and Rob Professor Raj's retired
professor at count State Lungeach. He said, sort of, you know,
painting a picture for us for twenty twenty six. We
should we're doing. My question to you, though, is should
we be forming coalitions with other groups? Because we're all

(01:26:05):
in this together. It's not just the black communities under
attack when you come down to it, every single group
and we've seen them right in front of our faces.
We've seen other groups under attack. Should we join forces
with these other groups that are under attack as well?
Going forward in twenty twenty six? Your thoughts, of course we.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
Should develop lines is but we always got to be
able to make sure those are the lines are legitimate
and that they really will reciprocate. We've helped a lot
of groups in the sixties and they in the seventies
we joined with Jesus Chambez and the Great Boycott, many
black conscious people did. We've both worked with the we fought,

(01:26:46):
we maintain and developed against the Vietnam Hall mid No
Map ME and the Man Vietnam War Margins, M King
and of the people did that. We've always open to
alliances and coalitions and things, but they got to be

(01:27:07):
principal and they got to reciprocate. Sometimes we help we
have we find in America Revolution, we find American civil rights,
I mean civil war. We find in all American wars
for their interests, and they never reciprocate.

Speaker 12 (01:27:24):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
You know, leading us bought thought that we'd be did
uh you know that they would uh treat us fairly
when you come back home uh this period, But they are.
What Trump is doing is being America. And we have
a just allusion of America based upon his creed and

(01:27:47):
all that is uh it's preambal to the constitutions, uh
preambo and the decoration of independent that don't even kill
us they never did in that it includes it only
includes them, the the move of white power. They ain't

(01:28:09):
vote of Trump because of the economic condition, and they
ain't vote with Trump because of uh uh of the
so called uh uh immigration issue. They voted Trump because
he was a racist in this country is a racist country,

(01:28:31):
and they never stop being a racist country. And they
use all the institution's religion. As doctor Prancis Preswell's ain't said,
Racism is a bubbo dynamic and it's the one in
which they control institutions to promote white white power. Now
we and the people have to taste that and begin

(01:28:52):
to teach our children that no matter how if you
don't want to alliance this coalition going there with because
you got yourself together, because they have magnifigated here. I mean,
white groups have always gotten the guide groups that in
the spend room rever you know, they were the first
presidents of the Yesue white people and uh, you know,

(01:29:17):
we got a lot of studying to do.

Speaker 11 (01:29:20):
Uh hold up the right there, professor. Because we're recover.
We're to take the traffic and revenue our different cities
when we come back, though, what is something that we
can do instead of just pointing the folk the finger
at white folks? What can black people do? What's in
our power to do? We've got a lot of brilliant
brothers and sisters on our side of the chess board.
We can make some moves too. So what is it

(01:29:41):
that we need to do instead of relying on waiting
for a handout or help from white folks. That may
sound harsh, but I know there's some things that we
can do self responsibility. I want you to address that
because it seems the default most for many folks as well.
The white folks are one of the white folks. What
can we do? That's where we're at now in twenty
twenty six. I don't you address that? When we'll get

(01:30:02):
back three minutes away from the top of our family,
you two can join our conversation with Professor Alman Rah.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
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It's next fifth day of Quanta. And of course you
know the're saying, how about I gani, which means what,

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what's the news, what's going on? What's happening? And your
response is nia which means purpose And it's the least
response today for the fifth day of Quanta. Our guess
is Professor Almanron, Professor Aarmarrah is short of building a
roadmap for us to for twenty twenty six what we
should be doing. And you know, before we left the break,
I'm asked him to give us the romance where we

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can help what couling we do instead of saying, you know,
the white man, there's the white man there. Okay, can't
we can't control what other people do, but what can
we do? How let Professor Rah respond to that. When
you finish the Professor Arman Rah Money Mike in Baltimore
has a question for you, So I let you respond, Well, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
An our things we can do and that we're doing
firstus education, UH, to cultivate by consciousness among ourselves and
mo ma, we got some people that are doing that.
Realizing we have big think the rate uh with different
interests and support them. Groups that you think are doing

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that need to be supported. Educate yourself, Educate good centers
and programs that are teaching. Acknowledge themselves and in your
and your capability. And look at the progress we've made
from the standpoint of the struggle, not the standpoint of
what eupions have done to promote Black people like entertainers

(01:31:46):
and athletes and uh even some of the people with
doctor's degree, but they need adopted. And I'm just saying
that we wanted education and then we have to mobilize.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
And where you see a problem addressed that issue is
to say, you say, what should we do for twenty
queen see, we must continue to struggle. It's a long
protracted struggle. But you may not, as some leaders say,
you may not be war, but you've done any war,
and one not necessary one in which you pick up

(01:32:23):
arms and things of nature, you pick up mental uh
and cultural weapons. For instance, that if if if you're
happy with who you are, I mean, you know your
issue is not tattoos, spending going five hundred dollars on
tattoos and and hair colors and things that nature. You

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realize all the money, everything that we have must go
towards us loving who we are, what we look like,
and don't try to alter our physical appearance and and
things just mentioned. But that's one of them. The education
that you know, we are beautiful, you know, we have

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that slogan in the city, were black and beautiful. Like
we have to get people to love and respect and
study our progress, study the people that's doing something. You're
not going to get it on TV. And I think
Bill Scott said the revolution will not be shuttle buy
and they won't be on that. But so we have

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to use every tool that's out there, Facebook, Instagram, uh.
And some people are doing a good job. They're doing that,
but at the same time, the system makes you think
that they're not conscious. People out there are hungry for
knowledge and wisdom. There are young people out there that

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that are out there that few The other day I
get each palp art my grandmother, or I want some book,
sorry it wouldn't my library and did some books. But
you know, you register people to vote. And now I
say we have to fight on all front and quit

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getting mad or upset because people have different interests. But
the goal is it doesn't have been into us, even
if their interest is not what you're fighting for and
maybe fighting for, you know, the health, nutrition and health.
That's a revolution for thisself. But we eat different and

(01:34:37):
if we dress different, you know, like all our our
procentric shops that's in the Mert parking away and downtown
of New York and Chicago, which is important. You should
be dressing up. You have freedom to be yourself and.

Speaker 11 (01:34:56):
You know you do things that be and hold that
suf out that because I want to bring him money, Mike,
because you know, because people who are probably listening to
the right how for for Professor Armanra and they are saying, well,
if that works, then but we need a different we
need a different attitude to attack the problems of fation today.
But that's my thought and I'll let you talk about

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that later. But let's hear what money Mike's got to say.
He's calling from Baltimore. ISA Online one grantize your money. Mike,
You on with Professor Ahmanrah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
Good morning, Carl, Good morning, Professor. How y'all doing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
Right? All right? Professor?

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Can you expound on the fact that this country is
racist and that Trump, Donald Trump make America great did
not mean that he was putting us back on a plantation.
He was going to give white people what they think
is that God give him given right preferential choice with
everything from housing to education to healthcare. That's what it

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meant to make America great again. And we don't seem
to understand that, professor, that this country is still predicated
on racism, and racism means that white people shall dominate
and be on top. And until we get that through
our heads, we're gonna keep on voting, which gets us somewhere,
gets us nowhere, because the only way that politics changes

(01:36:18):
is through money economics. So I'll take your response off
fair or if you want me to hold on, I'll
I'll continue to listen and respond back.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
Okay, Well, worst, I appreciates your question about the thinking record,
and you know, you make some good points with regard
to Trump, but Trump is no different than other white president.
Uh and like he gets more overt you know, and
and all that stuff about making America great. He didn't

(01:36:50):
say make America good again, you know, great and good.
Don't go to say saying great. You're just you know, power,
you know, exhasizing its power over the world and global.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
Student professor, this is the point that I'm trying to
make see. And in the last thirty to forty years,
white people, white men expressed it could get out to
drop out of school with an eighth grade education, and
they could go into a plant to Bethlehem Steel Domino
Sugar here in Baltimore, and they could become a supervisor
foreman telling black people and lower class white people what

(01:37:32):
to do. No longer can they do that. Nobody has
informed them that they need to be educated. So that's
what the EI is about. Black women have taken advantage
of the fact of going to college and benefiting themselves.
Black men, unfortunately, it's gonna hurt, but it's the truth
have not done that. They haven't and so now they're

(01:37:53):
economically disadvantaged and white people are too. And that's what
what make America great again, It's to be able.

Speaker 9 (01:38:00):
They think that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Immigration has hurt their job chances. And when white people
used to stay white women used to stay home, and
a white man supported the family, everything was hockey dory.
It was just fine. Now that white woman has to
go to work. Their white daughter has gone to college,
but she can't find a suitable mate because their son
is sitting at home on the couch smoking weed and

(01:38:23):
playing video games. So her choices are limited, and that
makes white men mad. So when Trump came out and
talked about the things he talked about, the outvert racist,
they feel comfortable. They thought it was about it, and
they thought about him getting rid of immigrant immigrants, that
their job chances were gonna improve. But that's no longer
the case. AI is gonna leave them behind as well

(01:38:45):
as other people. And now they're discharged and depressed. And
when somebody tells you what you want to hear, we
wrote for them.

Speaker 11 (01:38:51):
That's my point, all right, professor, you hear what money
Mike said, So what say you?

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
Well he did. He is telling white people what they
want to hear. That we're gonna make America great again.
We're gonna make it white again, We're gonna make the
world white again. We're gonna bomb people and there ain't
nobody gonna say nothing about it. We're gonna bomb Africa.
They've been bombing in Africa. They bombed US people in

(01:39:21):
Telsa right here. But it's mental bombs also. But I
mean money might it right? I mean it's an economic struggle.
But we got people struggling on economic issues of trying
to raise funds and things of nature. And you you know,
it's it's got to be a vehicle of trust. That's

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why when Reverend Pinckney was on, he said it begins
at home, and he's correct, but it's not a home,
it's a household because it's different structures. You got single parents,
you got kids living in aunts and uncles and and
things this nature because of a variety of reasons. So
their education, to me, let's let's let's go with the

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on side of black kids that are being raised in
falster homes and placement not even with a relative. Do
we have a standard and a value system to measure
what those parents are those people that are over the
foster homes and placement homes are teaching the children? Are

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they just collecting a check for that kids and letting
them go to European schools and not are not not
raising them to be conscious and political and culture. So
our gender is one in which, as now I can say,
we must must be educated. He said. The worst thing

(01:40:49):
the system learned that did was let me learn how
to read. So now what is what? What are we reading?
And things is neatly? I mean like that. Of course,
white racism has always been here as the Native American
after us and things this nature. I don't think Trump
is doing and making white folks feel good about themselves

(01:41:13):
when he bombed and put put people out of the
country and things of this nature. And his own wife
and the family's an immigrant. His daddy was a Nazi
and a racist, I mean, and they vote for him,
So what was they voting for? Why did they? Why
did and some black and Latinos vote for him? Why

(01:41:35):
why would that? Because they're victims of cultural genocide and
doctor us have been wrote in his book cultural Genocide,
uh uh and our culturation. They see themselves as Americans,
even though they don't get the rights to the benefit
of being America.

Speaker 11 (01:41:55):
They just jumping here for a second, Professor amenrant fourteen
after top there we know all that, we know everything,
she said, it's possibly true. We know all that, But
I'm trying to figure out what what role do we
play since what you said, your precions are the choir, this,
this audience, they know all of that. So profess Amada,
help us out.

Speaker 5 (01:42:14):
What do we do?

Speaker 11 (01:42:16):
What can what can we do as as a people
collectively or individually as black folks because there's no worry
about the other folks right now? What can we do
today and going forward into twenty twenty six? Well, you've
mentioned everything that I said, and I said again it's true.
So what's our move?

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
First of all, we have to win the hearty mind
of people back. And that's what love, respect, and and
and it's demonstrating that understanding that there are different groups
that are doing excellent work in the community and organizing
as much as they can. Because we don't see it

(01:42:57):
on TV, we think we ain't doing things. Many black groups,
many black churches, they have a black agenda and they're
doing things. You can't argue against Reverend Barbara and Brother
Brian all Abanda. You can't argue about Renin right out
in Chicago. I mean, they're doing the best they can.

(01:43:18):
You've got black groops. Now, what can we do we
can do, first of all, get ourselves together and being
a better example for our children and teach them what
we know and teach them even if they ain't like kids,
study groups, steady family through through a households and you've

(01:43:39):
done a sense of love and respect for each other.
Look at the positive and the goodness that we do.
You talk about what Look at the black people, the
black men that's had more house and the black men
that are going to college and getting an education, and
the very sowaranty. You've got one hundred like men. You

(01:44:01):
got a as a national organization, you got you got
Mike colleges, even though many of them were in my wife, professor.
We got to take a short band and we come back.
I'm trying to figure out what we can do because
see the default position is to blame the man all
the time, and that that that when we do that,

(01:44:23):
that means we can sit back and think the man
is going to change.

Speaker 11 (01:44:26):
The man ain't going to change. We've been here four
hundred years. He ain't not going to change. What can
We have some brilliant brothers and sisters out there who
can come up with ideas for us. Twenty twenty six
is around the corner. We know one needs to know
what we can do without pointing a finger at Damn
and other folks or the Latinos. What can black people?
That's where I'm at this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:44:45):
What can we do?

Speaker 11 (01:44:46):
What can you tell us that we can do to
change our situation? You mentioned the garything that was good.
We need to have a consensus in a black agenda.
How do we achieve that you can knit those things together?
Appreciate it when we come back. Jeane and Phikesville, Maryland
also wants to join the conversation. And you too can do. Family.
You can reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll taking

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phone calls next and Grand Rising Family at twenty one
minutes off the top of the air on this Tuesday morning,
as we race to the end of the year, I
guess it's Professor Ahman Raw Professor Mraz discussing what plans
that black people have to do put forward as we
move into twenty twenty twenty six because the other groups,
they're coming up with their plans for their folks and

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instead of pointing the finger like most of the conversation.
I hope I'm not being too hot on the family
this morning. But instead of pointing the finger, what the
man is doing, what the white man is doing, and
all of this kind of stuff, what can we do?
There are some things, the tangible things.

Speaker 8 (01:45:43):
That we can do.

Speaker 11 (01:45:44):
And I keep reiterating, we have some brilliant brothers and
sisters out there who can handle this, who can take
care of this. So we've got to figure out a
way what we can do. So Professor hm in Raw,
I'm gonna you respond to that, because that's what we're
looking for. We're looking for solutions because you know what
they're doing, and it's across the board. We're not the
only ones affected. You see what's happening to the other teens.

(01:46:05):
You see what's happening to the Asians. They're not affected
as much as we are there and they probably argue
that question too, But what if they're already plot and
planning how they're going to survive in twenty twenty six?
My question is what are we doing and what do
we need to do? So I let you responded that
the price they want you to join the conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
First of all, we are doing things you know, it
makes you think you're not doing things. We have to
put your positive argumentations out there and the individual and
we have to begin to understand that. We have to
look for and we have to look in local papers,
go to argumentations on me, and you get involved and
support those that are doing righteous things and good things.

(01:46:48):
And that's the thing I think you everything you say,
educate our young the futures, our young people. You know
I'm sending you seven Now we're a monk. The hell
reaches a lot of our leaders of the sixties and
seventies up there in the eight But at the same time,
the struggle must continue, and we keep thinking that we're

(01:47:12):
gonna unify all of our people at one time. They
don't go that way. Everybody was in buying the civil
rights movement. Manus a King. We didn't go to the
book from Birmingham jail. He was writing the black preachers
who told him not to come into Birmcham and creed problems.
The same thing with the midicine us parent con them.

(01:47:33):
You know that that thing is you know, uh nation,
this law you know it was built off of the
Barker's Gallery movement. I mean, I'm we're doing some positive things.
That's my point. Second, continue the struggle, build a cultural movement,
a Black power movement, a black cultural movement, a value
system within yourself. It seem we're gonna have to eat

(01:48:00):
one teach one At Kaki. My Hollybootee used to say,
we have an obligation to be an example of a
mirror for the young people as far as our conduct,
our value system, our hiathic system. But when you have
some families and some people that discourage you because you

(01:48:21):
got daddies that are can't get their children or not
in the home. You have a marriage problem. A lot
of brothers are not getting married in the city. What
you grew up with, you know, to find a wife
and the build a home and educate and teach them
the consciousness that they should have. And we have some

(01:48:43):
people that are doing that. Quanita for instance, and the
unifying our holiday of seven days celebrating seven principles will
mow your unity. You know, to strive for unity. They
didn't say you're going to get in right away. You
have to work at that. You have to be patient
and understanding that everybody's not gonna unify with you. Just

(01:49:06):
renite with those that will unite with you. And when
you say solutions that people out there working on solutions,
car They're working on the solutions of black people suffering
from aid, black people suffering from homelessness. He's got black
organizations collecting clothes and trying to help those that the homeless.
And you got right, some some black philanthropic people that

(01:49:30):
make our donations all doable. That you've got a billion
are in Nigeria that uh is uh building the schools
and building the political organization. He's putting his money up
uh uh uh. You know, uh. We have to find
on our front and and and the beautiful thing about

(01:49:51):
it is that our sea progress. I see us moving
toward that because you've got black organizations that are doing
do work, excellent work. You cannot argue that the right
Right Lives Matter movement is not a strong movement to me,
even though they had some internal problems and he's gonna

(01:50:13):
have and we had that in sicty agent brovacateurs and
people corrupting our black organizations aside, and they're not leaders,
but we still move forward. And that in our struggle
is to get freedom for what to be ourselves. We
want peace, we want love, we want families to grow
up without worrying about being facted out. Now, as far

(01:50:37):
as other groups, what they're doing, yeah, you have something.
They're doing the same thing we're doing. If if the
Latino groups were strong, they wouldn't they wouldn't be putting
them out the country the way they're doing. They're not
that strong. They did divided on that. He've got Latinos
to support, uh, deportations, you know, and Quod thinking that

(01:50:59):
we the black people have to all think a light
at one time and things nature. That's not treat them.
I don't have a problem with black people going and
and and doing their thing with white people are doing
they thing with the other other groups and marrying other
groups and doing that. Uh, that's on them. But at
the same time, I'm basally focusing on the black agenda

(01:51:24):
and the black agendas. What was to develop a cultural
movement in which we rise and virtualize ourselves and study
the good that we're doing. I mean the black one
hunder we us have one hundred black colleges. Now, I
think it's down the age somewhat, maybe at the most ninety.
But at the same time, they've never really expanded into

(01:51:46):
the urban areas and into offering uh classes and co
and degrees uh uh and in the cities they stayed
deeply in the south and most of them were uhlan
grant or Christian schools and uh and and you know
which is good. But they turned out some great black leaders,

(01:52:09):
you understand, and to take to use it. The problem
is our people have a uh telling of our people.
I'm mentelly, we ain't doing nothing because they ain't studying
and seeing what we're doing and what people are doing.
We got a lot of a lot of efforts uh

(01:52:32):
rearguing we just celebrate the me and man march. Uh
you know, but they had a pledge, they had a.

Speaker 11 (01:52:40):
Right right and I get all that, Professor Omana. I
just don't want to be I'm not trying to be cynical.
But our people are looking for tangibles. They're looking for
what can we do. What we're twenty twenty six is
next door other groups are preparing.

Speaker 6 (01:52:55):
They know what it is.

Speaker 11 (01:52:56):
Instead of you know, many times we bally ache about
what man ain't doing the mine man's got his friend
on our America. The show continues, and that's fine and dandy,
but people, especially our young people, they want to see results.
They want to say, Hey, we're going to do this,
let's go for it. Hey to do we do the
seventy two meeting again, Hey, do we come up with

(01:53:17):
a black agenda? If so, what what are the what
are the underpinnings of the black agenda? And how can
we implement them once once we agree on the.

Speaker 8 (01:53:24):
Black they want to take.

Speaker 11 (01:53:25):
They're looking for tangible. That's that's what our young people.
They don't want to hear about this about the man
because because for many of them, that's not that's not
their reality that there. They came up with a Barack Obama,
a black man in the White House. So that's the
reality that you and I grew up with. That's not
their reality. That's not what they see. So they looking
for something different. And as you mentioned, the young people,

(01:53:48):
we have to get them engaged to make these changes.
So if you can address that real quick for us,
because we've got doctor David Horne on.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
Deck and.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
Do have contractness and that are doing positive things. We
keep thinking that the young people are the divised to it.
They are some that are into drugs and into partying
and into materialism. Yeah, and that's a lot of money
into that. But we have people like Jasmine Craft who's
trying to get in the political position to do good.

(01:54:22):
You have other young people that have been active politically
that try to get the resources on a local level
and contribute them to black organizations and black individuals and
black education institutions and cultural institutions. You have the International
Festival in New York. It's annually. Although it's a festival,

(01:54:44):
they enjoy it. We have to rebuild the Watch Festival.
We have to begin to attract our people to places
where they can get educated. And when again many of
them didn't get educated, you're not going to get them
all they got. I mean we got. You be surprised
with the mentality that some of our people have. They

(01:55:06):
they're comfortable in their oppression. They be freedom of the
choice of three taco, Bill and McDonald and not freedom
to be yourself that you can trans it up like
an African. You don't have to go get spend five
and six hundred dollars on faith here and and and
and two and three hundred dollars for a bunch of

(01:55:26):
tattoos that ain't nobody read uh and know and use
your body in the builder. We have to begin to
finance our movement, and I meant change our economic way,
change out.

Speaker 11 (01:55:39):
I have to credit right there. But one thing we
agree on, Professor, there are so many of our people
who are just happy where they are, as doctor Wilson
taught us, They're just looking for a better section, a
better seat in this system of racism, white supremacy, or
just a bigger biscuit, if you will, and they content

(01:56:00):
with their repression as you mentioned it. But before I
let you go, how can folks reach you? Because I
know if people want to continue this conversation with you
about this, yeah, you know what's going on for twenty
twenty six on the plans that we should have as
black people. How can they reach you?

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
Ain't simple? Well, first of all, I'm and Raw. I'm
professor for thirty four years at the California State University
Longbeat and was now called Africana Stundys Department when I
started it with Black Lundy requirement and my phone number
is three ten five year oh five two three five eight.

(01:56:35):
I'm also going to be reached through the Culture Center
and the organization of in Los Angeles, and you can
go on the website dot org. I work very close
with doctor Karenga. And so we're building and we're doing
good things. You'd be surprised at the good that we do.

(01:56:57):
That the system make a think we ain't doing anything.
We got some young people that are conscious man and
they are really organizing and doing the best they can.
It's just that it's to make you think you ain't
doing nothing, and have you got well we need to
be doing this thing. And then you have to ask
a question, well, what are you doing? What what do

(01:57:19):
you do that's black? What philosophy you power? What value
system do you power? You know, it's easy to criticize
what you see other people not doing, but always ask
you saying, what are you doing? Are you organizing your family?
Are you making sure everybody's registered in the vote? Even
though you're both need in a political sumer but all

(01:57:41):
politics is local. So we talk about school board, we
talk about county board. We're a black agenda. People are
black agenda, and and and and and and that, and
that means what to make life better for black people.
Then to make sure that you get employment, make sure
they can get opportunities to go to college or the

(01:58:01):
vocational skills and then goes to doing that. You got
the MAC team want of skill center out here in California.
You've got Brothers and Crusade doing things. There have been
many argumentations trying to do their best to educate and provide,
But I just say we need to begin to study

(01:58:23):
that so then we don't be depressed and thinking black
people ain't doing anything. We got people that are fighting.
We got black people that's you know, in the military,
that's getting the training and come back and train. It's
a lot of things that we're doing that's right.

Speaker 11 (01:58:41):
And let me let you go, Profess amon Ra and
appreciate all the stuff that you shared with us this morning,
and let's move in into twenty twenty six and see
how we pick it up from there. But I thank
you for your thoughts and thank you and not just
for today, but because you've been in a struggle for
a long, long long time, yeah, along with God to
so we appreciate you for being there because you know,

(01:59:02):
a lot of brothers say after a while, they get
tired because the road gets weary, and they get there
and they've been there so long and they get older
and you know they can't handle it anywhere. But you,
every time we call on you. You're always ready. So
I just want to thank you, and if you could
give us again how folks can reach it, if you're
if you're on social media or the US organization, because

(01:59:24):
I know some people probably listening want to continue the conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:59:29):
Well, first of all, they can listen to you more
because you are an education vehicle. The Car Nelson Show
one of one of the best shows out and the
stronger we are in supporting you, the more you can
expand your show and hopefully get into the mainstream. They're
reaching more black people. Uh, that's one thing. Back and

(01:59:51):
again you're reaching me easy, Professor Alan, you can call
it back after knist problement, AC Counse State long beat
and they'll give you my number three ten five zero
five two three five eight. And the struggle continues. Even
though I have health problems an issue. I'm out there,

(02:00:14):
you know, working with the groups, working with people, advising people,
educating people and making contributions where I can't sour organizations
are doing good things. We are on the move. The
car people don't see it because the system make you
think you ain't doing anything, But they're watching us and

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they're still infantrting our organization and trying to builify and
demonize us. And like you said, Carl, we month, you
do call this into a lion with other old pressed
people from that standpoint, and we got so many different
problems than we didn't have who was coming up in
the sixties, and even Garrydana, the problem we had were

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not as variety of issues that we have. As you
pointed out with rem Me, times have changed and the
struggle have to change with them times. And because we're
looking at our struggle from the civil rights movement in
the Black Bow movement of the think me we in
a two thousand and twenty six and you got them technology,

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you got.

Speaker 11 (02:01:24):
Right, and we gonna let you go because we gotta
take a break. You got that, Professor, But I thank
you again, thank you for all the way doing what
you're doing. Rether, keep going, Grand Grand Rising. All right,
Grand Rising. Twenty three minutes away from the top of
I'm gonna step aside for a few months. We'll come back.
Doctor David Horn is going to join us. He's going
to pick up the baton from Professor aman Rah and

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answer some of those questions that we're posing this morning,
What are we doing twenty twenty six? Now we know
where the problems are, we know what issues are. What
are your thoughts? Family? You too can get in on
this discussion. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight to seventy six and we'll
take your phone balls next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning. Here
I guess right now is doctor David Horn, doctor David

(02:02:08):
Horn's Pan African cultural thinking expert, the former College for
the professor as well as Professor Armon Roth. So doctor Horn,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
Going to you and you are great, great listening family.

Speaker 11 (02:02:22):
Yeah, I want you to pick up the baton from
where we Professor Armon Rob we talked about, you know,
what we should be doing for twenty twenty six, Doctor Horndy.
The question is what do we do because you know,
many some of us, not all of us, are blaming
the situation that we're in, and we're blaming the white man,
the man, the man, the man, the man. But there
are some things that black people can do this and

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we reflected that Professor Amen Rob was that they sent
me to Gary conference and when we have these issues.
We had those conferences and we came up with a
black agenda. Some people complained about the fact that it
was infiltrated a lot of co and tell it at
that meeting. But at least after that meeting we came
up with a bunch of folks that were elected. At

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least there was some come. We came up with some
sort of a gentlemen never being great at the time,
but is that what's needed right now in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
Six, Yeah, that is exactly what is missing. You're right there.
If I follow along the same pathway as uh As Row,
then let me do that. The logic call has always

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been how do we move forward? Not how we move backward?
Not how do I trip somebody else up? How do
I hurt somebody else? How do we move forward? If
we are not individually and as a group moving forward,

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were out of phase, we out of our minds. We
have not focused on making sure that what we do
while we are here makes it better for black folk,
for African folk. The logic is how do we move forward?

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Let give you an example. We have had a lot
of individuals, some of whom we thought it was all
about them, they were in charge. They were going to
choge other people what to do, and for them, it
was all about being in charge. It was not about
how we move forward. It was about how do I

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feel better because other people are dependent on me, of
other people or are understanding my leadership. Moving forward means
find three hundred thousand or more black folks I guess
lost their jobs in the federal government, and three hundred

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thousand is a safe estimate. Is really more than that,
But say three hundred thousand black folks lost their jobs
because we have this crazy man in charge of the government.
Simply trying to get the dobs back actually is moving forward.

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But more importantly, making sure we don't become that dependent
again on any one phase of government is really what
moving forward is about. We don't need to be in
the same positions that we were ten years ago, or
twenty years ago or thirty years ago. African people must rise,

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they must keep growing, they must keep moving. And that's
the logic that we can apply and probably need to apply,
asking ourselves whatever is going on, if it's moving us forward,
is it moving us backwards?

Speaker 5 (02:06:14):
When the.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
Current president talked about and has moved to get rid
of black history, to try to close down the African
American Museum, to try to change the statues back from
looking at what the country has done to back to

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what the Confederate soldiers did.

Speaker 5 (02:06:44):
When we.

Speaker 4 (02:06:46):
Have seen people try to make us go backwards, that
is when we have to make sure we stop them.
We don't let that occur. They cannot take black history
from us. They can not say, as they do in
Florida or other states, if you teach black history, we

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will fire you. If you want to bring the successes
of black people into a classroom, we will fire you.
We will make sure you don't work. That's not moving
us forward, that's moving us backwards. We have to jump
on that. Stop that. Anything that moves us backwards called

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we have to attack. We have to move against anything
that's moving us forward. Then we need to push. We
don't need to keep spending all this time fighting each
other because one of us seems to be a little
ahead of another one. That's not moving us forward.

Speaker 12 (02:07:49):
That kind of.

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
Fighting back and forth over who crosses the river first.
Out what this is about. All needs to cross the river.
We all need to get on the other side. Whatever
we're working on, is it moving us forward. That's the issue,

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that's the logic.

Speaker 11 (02:08:16):
All right. Hold that still right there, Dr Only got
some folks who want to get on there, want to
discuss this, continue discussing this, this decision or this topic
that we're talking about this morning. Jeane is calling us
online too. He's in Pikesville, Maryland. Gene, you're on now
with doctor David.

Speaker 10 (02:08:32):
Horn, Grand Rising, Doctor Horn and a call.

Speaker 5 (02:08:38):
I'm gonna remember how you're doing.

Speaker 10 (02:08:41):
I'm fine, thank you, sir. I want to move forward
with it with the theme of reference to how do
we move forward? Uh, Malcolm xIC. Martin Luther King quoted
more than the Torah and the New Testaments, so right,
Malcolm and Martin were on the same page. And when
it came to economy, Martin Luther King moved forward with

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Operation bread Basket, and of course he was assassinated, but
before he could complete the program of Operation bread Basket.
And that program, that segment of the program that was
not completed was and what we do today, which are
the beautiful things like we boycott these corporations African Americans
spend or black people spend over two trillion dollars and

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guess what, none of that money, like Martin Luther King suggested,
is deposited in black credit unions and banks. And that's
the missing link. If we boycott and we shut a
company down, and we had the power to shut a

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company down, can't we negotiate with them? Like in Baltimore.
I'll give you an example of Baltimore City M and T.
That's the depository bank for the city of Baltimore. Why
not Harbor Why not Harbor Bank? I called them and
asked them how much money?

Speaker 4 (02:10:09):
And uh.

Speaker 10 (02:10:10):
The president of the Harbor Bank was on I asked
him the question directly, how much money is deposited into
Harbor Bank that's coming into the city golfers. He didn't
answer that question. They had to look He had to
go back and look it up. This is me, this
is the major problem in our community. We, like malcle said,

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we're like a boy living in a white man's house.
He sees us close closes us. And then we had
the nerve to complain, and we got to stop complaining,
and we're gonna have to get put in place actions
or where that money that we spend we get, we
get a portion of that deposited in our community. And
then we have to have leadership in our community unlike

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we do in Baltimore, who are going to initiate the
initiatives that.

Speaker 16 (02:10:59):
We in our community.

Speaker 5 (02:11:01):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
The I totally agree with you about we have to
put the economic aspect back into whatever planning we're doing
to move forward.

Speaker 5 (02:11:20):
Uh the.

Speaker 4 (02:11:22):
For example, in the Referations movement or in the Pan
African movement, if we only keep asking for people to
do stuff for us to help us, you know, then
we are simply trying to move into the white man's house.

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As you mentioned that example, We're just simply trying to
come out of the field and move into the big house.
Moving into the big house does not make life better
for black folk. It simply makes it a little easier
for individuals. The economic aspect that you brought up. When

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black folk were being disrespected, when they were being discounted,
but they were riding a bus, they were riding a
public vehicle every day, supporting it economically, but being called

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all kinds of names, bad names, and children being treated badly.
Education not working. What did black folk do? They're organized
that economic boycott and brought that particular bus dun company
to its needs. They said, you are not treating black

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folk the way we deserve being treated, and so we
will keep our money to ourselves. We're no longer going
to give you an economic benefit for treating us badly.
And it worked the reparations movement. If we were really
serious about forgetting people to treat us better, keep out

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money in our pocket, boycott, organize a boycott around Christmas,
around Thanksgiving, don't spend any money where people are disrespecting you.
That would make things better for everybody involved. That would
move us forward. I agree with you that we need

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to look at some of the history that we've already
been through, learned from that to push us forward. That's
what it's about. I agree with you about your example.

Speaker 11 (02:13:55):
Brother, Let me jump ahead. Doctor Horney sticks away from
the top of that. Do we need everybody who just
need a critical mass to make the change?

Speaker 4 (02:14:06):
Critical mass? You don't ever need everybody to do it.
It would be great, but that is not how successful
social movements have ever worked. They've never had everybody go
the same direction, crossed the river at the same point.

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That's not how history works. And we can get the
critical mass to move at the same time in the
same direction. We can get benefit for everybody, so we
don't have to spend a lot of time trying to

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drag people across the river when we are going, we
need to go ahead and take care of those who
are ready to cross the river when the time has
been set. We need to stop spending time on on
small stuff and organize and maintain and follow through with

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the biggest stuff. The brother borrowed the idea about the bank.
One bank seems to be dominating the resources of black
folk but not benefiting black folks. That needs to stop.
You know, you can organize the resources so that moor

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folk a benefited.

Speaker 6 (02:15:37):
Again.

Speaker 4 (02:15:38):
How we move forward? That becomes the focus. How do
we move forward? Not just how do I move forward?
That has been the uh stone of the Black movement
as long as we have been on this planet, and

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I being on the planet, figure what it's all about.
Everybody comes from us. We began human life, and we
need to move forward.

Speaker 11 (02:16:14):
All right, Hold that thought right there. We got to
step aside for a few months so our stations can
identify themselves down the line.

Speaker 5 (02:16:19):
We come back.

Speaker 11 (02:16:20):
We got some more folks want to talk to you. Family.
Our guess is doctor David Horn. Doctor Horn is a
Penaften critical thinking expert. He taught critical thinking in college.
You got a question or a comment about what should
we do for twenty twenty six? What should our move be?
We already know what the game is, you know, we
have to keep talking about it. Who's doing this to that?
And we're doing that to that? We know what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (02:16:41):
What do we do?

Speaker 11 (02:16:42):
That's my question? You need it can answer it at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
of the ticket calls next angry and rising family, Thanks
for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess
is doctor David Horn. Doctor David Horn is a pen Afghanist,
a critical thinking expert. As I mentioned before the break,
he taught critical thinking college and that's why we have
them here because a lot of issues facing us. We've

(02:17:03):
got to become critical thinkers here repeating all the time
to free your mind? How many means you got to
think for yourself and you've got to think critically when
you're facing issues. Doctor homiefore, I take call for you.
Though Paul in London wanted to have a request, He says,
what is the critical mass figure needed? In percentage? We
talked about a critical mask. What percentage are you talking to?
We need to move our people forward.

Speaker 4 (02:17:29):
There is no one percentage that we are talking about.
When slaves moved away from the plantation, when people moved
from being captured to walking away, running away, when we

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changed our situation so that most of us were no
longer owned by other people, then that changed the relationship
for almost all of us. Again, there is no ten
percent or fifty or eighty percent that we are talking about.

(02:18:20):
We who look at the world through eyes differently than
some other folk, need to identify how we can move forward,
how we can get better schooling, how we can get
better jobs, how we can be successful, and the more

(02:18:47):
the merrier. There's no one percentage that will do that.
We have to make sure our own families and our
own communities are moving forward, fitting.

Speaker 5 (02:19:02):
From what is available.

Speaker 4 (02:19:04):
That's what we are saying that the logical point that
we are all aiming at is moving forward, not backward.
Moving forward.

Speaker 5 (02:19:16):
All right?

Speaker 11 (02:19:17):
Hold us, all right, DearS, I mentioned you still got
some folks who want to talk to you. Eight hundred
and four five zero seventy eight seventy sixteef, thank you
for being so patient with us in Montgomery County online
one Grand Rising you want with doctor David.

Speaker 8 (02:19:30):
Horn Grand Rising Family, good money. Bro Malcolm answered the
question a long time ago. He said, only when Africa
is free with black people everywhere be free. Think about this.

Speaker 5 (02:19:53):
I agree, yep. Good.

Speaker 8 (02:19:57):
Now, when we get the Europeans of the next of
African leaders and African people can invest in Africa. A
brother earlier talking about Harbord Bank, what if we invested
in the goal in Africa and have it in Harbor Bank?

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What couldn't we do? We are our own problems. We
need to demand that the congressional Black cockers, if they
will represent us, they ought to put on the on
the Congress floor. Europeans, get off the neck of Captain Tuarree.

(02:20:45):
We have seen the good things in the last two years.
He's not a dictator, He's a leader. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:20:58):
And totally agree about getting behind that particular brother and
getting behind his particular movement forward. And I agree with
you that Africa must move forward and when Africa is free,
black folk around the world will be free. But again

(02:21:22):
defining moving forward, defining it, organizing it, having a plan
to move forward with what we are talking about, brother,
charre in Pikina Farsso has a plan to move forward.
He's been able to maintain that plan because he understands
everybody around him will not always defend that plan. He

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had been able to keep him being assassinated, keep him
being taken out, because he has a plan in his
head moving forward. I must establish for my people, for
my nation that we can move forward. We don't have

(02:22:12):
to always just keep complaining about what they've done to us.
Now we need to start talking about what we're going
to do for ourselves. It's about how do we move forward.
That is a central point, the central logical point. You
start there, moving forward. If we're not moving forward, we

(02:22:32):
are not helping ourselves. We are hurting ourselves. Moving backwards
is not going to help.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
All right, and thank you for sharing that with us.
Family eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Get in to speak to doctor David Horn. Let's take
another call. Let's go to line two. Raymond's on Capitol Hill. Raymond,
you're on with doctor David Horn.

Speaker 16 (02:22:56):
A good morning. I agree call and your guests, But
unfortunately the bully is not going to give us our
money back. That's not what bullies do using that analogy. Okay,

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how much we pray to them and act them. See reason,
the bully is not going to give us our money back.
Too many black back, too many black people are addicted
to white. A. Here's what I'm doing. Because you want
people to people call in complaining. Here, here's my solution

(02:23:41):
for what I can do, because I keep control what
somebody else does. What I does is I don't spend
ninety five to ninety eight percent of my dollars with
black owned businesses. I don't care if I gotta drive out,
I don't care. If I got to drive out the

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way to get something that I would normally go to
a convenience store. If the convenience store in my neighborhood
I live on Capitol Hill, if it's owned by somebody else,
I won't go. I'll get in my car and drive
three miles to a black owned store. The few there are,
I don't care. But black the EPO, we are too

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addicted to white. Most of we spend almost all over
few trillion dollars in goods and services in this country.
But I go to the malls or stuff. All I
see in there it's mostly African Americans and expandits. We

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are the number one consumers in the country. All companies
cater to us. It's just that simple. We gott to
bring these this mental chain being addicted to white, that
white is good and black is bad, and we spend
our dollars trying to look like it. We spend our

(02:25:11):
dollars with them. We have no objections to them moving
into our neighborhood and getting our dollars, giving us poor
customer service, showing us everything that's bad for us, because
we are addicted to white. And that's just what I

(02:25:34):
want to say. We got to spend our.

Speaker 6 (02:25:36):
Money with black people.

Speaker 16 (02:25:39):
We have the money, we just don't give it to
each other.

Speaker 1 (02:25:44):
All right, Raymond, I thank you for that. Professor David Hornet,
your response ran out.

Speaker 4 (02:25:51):
I agree with a lot of what the brother just said. Again,
the if our nasure meant for moving forward is how
do we how do we get closer to them? That
is not going to benefit us, that is not moving forward,

(02:26:11):
that is are selling up a false paradigm. The brother
identified it. He said that we need to focus more
on what benefits black folk. What how do how do
our neighborhoods progress how do we how do we get

(02:26:32):
more out of the talent that is available, How do
we uh benefit How do we make sure that black
folks who are selling products, how do we make sure
that we support them. The issue is simply identify what

(02:26:54):
makes life better for us as individuals and what makes
life better for us as the population. And trying to
simply get next to other people making them feel better
about themselves because we are running to them. That is

(02:27:14):
not pushing our bottom line. That's not pushing How do
we make things better? I agree with him. We need
to focus more on We need to win, not just
help other people to win. We need to identify logical programs,

(02:27:36):
logical plans, logical strategies about making things better for us.
When the bully comes and tries to take stuff away,
we organize and drive the bully away. When people basically

(02:27:58):
try to us we have no history that is worth
looking at and studying so that we can move forward
in the future. We as a group get rid of
those people who are talking that nonsense. We have to

(02:28:21):
again focus on the logic of what is better for us,
what is moving us forward not backwards?

Speaker 1 (02:28:33):
Got you hold that's all right there? Twelve at the
top they are family. Just check it in about it
Ghani and that's the you know, it's quanta. This is
whether the fifth day of quncas. What's what's the message is,
what's what's what's happening, what's going on? That's what How
about it Ghani is in Swahili and your response is nea,
which means purpose. That's the purpose that we have in
this conversation this morning with doctor David Horn is a

(02:28:54):
former professor. He taught critical thinking at the college level
and that's where we have him mind as a free congress.
The tea just how to be critical thinkers. Doctor Horney
got a call came into the studio. So the course
is asking you. The question says, do you think that
African Americans are politicized enough to be consentious objectives to
the war in Nigeria? If I guess the implication here,
if the United States go to war with Nigeria, do

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you think black folks in the military will will you know,
step aside and not get involved in that war fight
against our brothers and sisters on the continent.

Speaker 3 (02:29:24):
Your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:29:28):
There will be no United States war with Nigeria. That's
not going to happen. There have been isolated incidences because
we have a crazy man in charge of the government
at this time. But now there will be no war
with Nigeria. But going back to the question about the

(02:29:53):
possible future, unfortunately, lot of those who look like us,
if ordered to attack other people who look like us,
will follow orders. Yeah, black soldiers will attack African folk

(02:30:14):
if ordered. Not all of them, but some of them.
There will be some of them who walk away and
say no, I'm not doing that. Most of them will
follow orders because that is what you are taught to
do in the military. The situation about bombing Nigeria the
other day, trying to intimidate Nigeria, unfortunately was not just

(02:30:41):
an act by a strange man in charge of this government.
There were a couple of Nigerian officials who got paid
who helped that bombing occur. That again, if not going
to help Nigeria. That again is not going to help

(02:31:03):
the African Union. That again is not going to help
African people move forward. Those officials need to be identified
and removed. We need to make sure that does not
happen again. The you know, we have a bully in
charge of the government here at this time, and bullies

(02:31:26):
do whatever makes them feel good, whatever makes them think
they can scratch themselves and feel better. They don't do
what is best for others. They do what's best for themselves.

Speaker 5 (02:31:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:31:42):
Having said that, though, let me John for a second,
because we're coming up on a break, and I'll let
you respond to this when we get back from the break,
doctor Horne. But the attack of Nigeria and then the
attack on Venezuela and coestionally, both of those countries have
a lot of oil petroleum in the ground. Is that
the is that the real reason they're going after this?
Because because Donald Trump says his reason, he says he's

(02:32:04):
going to help free Nigerian Christians who are being persecuted
by Islamist in the northern part of the Well, the
question is, if that's the case, why doesn't he bring
them to America like he did these white Africanas in
South Africa, who he says are being being persecuted by
Black Africans. But he still has not extended that hand

(02:32:24):
of gratitude to the black Nigerians who he claims of
being being persecuted by Islamist in the northern section of
Nigeria's so why doesn't he do that? I'll let you
explain all that untangle that mess first when we get back.
And we've got some folks who want to talk to
you as well, because what we're looking at families that
twenty twenty six is next door, if you will. We

(02:32:45):
don't have a plan or some people say do we
need a plan or you know, what's the plan we need? Okay,
so if that's the plan, we need to and we
just call a black agenda. What should he be? What
should be some of the segments in there? What should
we be doing now? Because you better believe the other
folks have plans. They plan long distance, they don't have

(02:33:05):
short plans. They're planning the future. They have a plan
what to do with us as well, So marinate on
that while we take the short break. Seventeen alf the top.
They have family. I guess there is doctor David Horne.
You want to speak to him, reach out to us
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and
grant rising family thanks to staying with us on this
Tuesday morning. As we creep closer to the end of

(02:33:26):
the year. I guess is doctor David Horn. Doctor Horn
is a retired college professor of Pan Africanist and as
I mentioned, they taught critical thinking in college. That's why
we're have in here because many of us didn't do
that course in critical thinking, and so many of the
problems facing us as a people requires us to use
the technique of critical thinking. So doctor Horn, help us

(02:33:46):
out here with the situation with the attack on Venezuela
and Nigeria and the common denominate. They both have oil,
lots of oil, if you will. Donald Trump says he's
going there to help the Nigerian Christians who are being
attacked by Islamis. And there's a question where they did
those drones hit the impacted them in any way or other.
But unpacked that for us and tell us what's really

(02:34:08):
going on here.

Speaker 4 (02:34:11):
Number One, we should never expect logic from a mad dog.
We should never expect rationale or rational reasoning from people
who don't seem to be able to form an opinion

(02:34:35):
that does not benefit themselves. Everything that comes out of
the mouth of our particular president is about what benefits
him and people that he has designated at being worthy
the relationship right now between this country, this country's leadership,

(02:34:57):
and the Nigerian leadership. He is a predator looking at
what looks to be a victim, looks to be an
opportunity to take something else from somebody. Nigeria has to
recognize that it is part of a much larger entity

(02:35:23):
than this country, and that it has allies and friends
willing to stand up and to help support Nigeria against
this country. What is going on is somebody else's agenda

(02:35:46):
trying to basically force itself on to an African agenda.
Nigeria needs to step away from its government leaders. Governmental
leaders need to step away from doing business with mister
Trump and any of the people representing him. Working with

(02:36:09):
mister Trump will not benefit Nigeria. We need to again
focus only on what you're going to benefit us. That's
what they need, That's what they need to do, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (02:36:23):
Twenty three after the top of our family, we're discussing
having a wide RIGI in discussing with doctor David Horne
the situation and what's going on with the Trump administration
attack in Venezuela and also Nigeria, and also twenty twenty six,
what's the issue for us.

Speaker 3 (02:36:37):
Do we need a plan?

Speaker 1 (02:36:38):
Do we need a black agenda? We talk about this
quite a bit, and if so, what should be the
components of that black agenda. Carl is calling us from
West Palm Beach in Florida, next to Trump Country. He's
on line four. Grand Rising, Carl and Habadi Ghani. You're
around with doctor David Horn. It's Carl there online four.

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All right, it's moved down the line. Then let's go
to Alex Alex and Alexandra, he's online one Grand rising, Alex.

Speaker 4 (02:37:07):
Yes, my grandprising was seven am this morning. That'll be
my new introduction in the morning. My grand rising was
seven am in the morning. Good money, brother, Okay, good morning.
This is my agenda for twenty twenty six. That Black

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America needs to know. We had black another churches all
over the United States. And the part that sickens me
with the black churches is that they had ATMs in
the churches. With the ATMs, why can't they put their
minds together to come up with for credit union under

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that organization name that's that that that's the first step
that that that needs to be addressed. The Congressation needs
to go to whoever's in charge to make them demand
that they have a Black credit union be built inside
of the church, and and and that will start the

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ball game right there. These foreigners come over here, Uh,
they had their organizations that work for them. Why because
as soon as they get here, organizations like CASSA tell
them where to put their money at and into a
bank that's going to thrive for them. And as you

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see they are thriving, we are not. We just continue
on just with these thinking and big dreams that's never
going to come true because we never had the right
people that works for us. I heard a gentleman mention
the Black Carcass. The Black Carcass is part of the

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Democratic Party that never did nothing for us since the
eighteen hundreds. As we're coming into twenty two and still
not doing anything. I was listening to a top show
that that comes on your show right after your show
on Friday call. They had a center to there that
needed him at a Black meeting. His response was he

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cannot make it to the Black meeting because he had
session the next day. Antonio Hayes, listen up, my brother,
if you would have went to that meeting, they had
some questions for you that would have been in the
session that you could have bring back to them to
help them. Y'all gotta vote that Antonio Haayes out of office.
That Democrat that's not gonna work for you. He gotta

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go when he said that, I'm sorry, he should immediately
that talk sho Hold should never have that man back
on that ad game. He's not working for y'all. We
have to thank black and that's what I'm gonna do
in twenty twenty six. And thanks for taking my call card.

Speaker 1 (02:39:56):
All right, thanks Alex, and basically asked you some may blackleeadership,
Doctor Horne, your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:40:05):
Black leadership that looks at itself as the only leadership
that for Black folk to move forward, you have to
follow me, you have to support me, you have to
raise me up. That's not what we have been advocating

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all morning. Black leadership that understands it is a part
of a larger movement forward. If I can't make it
to this critical public meeting, I will send an aid.
I will send somebody from my office to be there.

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Black leadership that does not understand not the only one
who's important, is the wrong kind of leadership. Again, we
need to expand.

Speaker 1 (02:41:09):
Let me jump in here and ask you what alex
is on the road to the questions as black leadership failed.

Speaker 4 (02:41:15):
Us, No, it has not failed us. We have failed
to demand the right kind of leadership from them. That's
where the failure is. We need to stop focusing on well,
you didn't say this, you didn't show up to this meeting,
you didn't make sure I got this grant. That may

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not have been the only solution. Whoever has decided that
they have enough talent to be in the decision making room,
in the arena where things are being decided. To move forward,

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to help somebody, you want to have somebody who remembers
you in those situations, you have to call email or
go to their office. You have to demand that they
remember you're not in office for yourself. You're an office,
so you are in charge for me. We have to

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again remember that going forward doing better is more than
just one person, more than just an individual opportunity. It
is about you doing what is necessary to be in
charge and then remembering that you are in charge for me,

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not for you. Again, the focused car has to be
on how do we move forward? How do we come
up with plans? Not a plan, but plans to move forward.
You benefit and I benefit, not just you benefit. That's

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moving forward.

Speaker 3 (02:43:07):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (02:43:08):
Thirty minutes after tough our family, you two can get
in on this conversation with our guest, doctor David Horn.
Professor Horn taught critical thinking at the collegiate level, and
I mentioned that that's why we have him on here
to teach us to use that technique when all we
seem to have a bunch of problems of facing us
and trying to come with some solutions. That's why we
always try to make it simple, say free your mind

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and think for yourself. But you got to know how
to think for yourself. And this is a doctor David
Horn's role eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight to seventy six. Brother Callis is calling us. He's
in Waldorf, Maryland. He's online. Two grand Rising brother Collins
and Aboudi Ghani. Here I'm with doctor David Horn.

Speaker 12 (02:43:44):
Grand Rising Baraghani, My dear brothers, Doctor Horn, I appreciate
your great your brilliant mind and your explanations and for
all the speakers that what we have with the great strategy.
I have this this one, this one question I wanted
to ask, is that, Uh, when the bully has a

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gun and at your head, and by that I mean
he controls the army, the navy, the air force, uh,
all aspects of the military and the police forces, and
he has a gun at your head, how can we

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overcome that situation? Went that under that constant threat. I'll
give you an example. Terrence, Terrence Bud Crawford, a three
time world champion from Omaha, Nebraska, from Nebraska known as
the Pride of Omaha, on the day that they gave

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up parade for him, was pulled over and pulled out
of his vehicle and with a gun to his head.
And even though he had licensed security guards in his car,
licensed with their guns, they still put him at risk

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of being shot and threatened and took his guns out
until they could prove otherwise. So, when a bully has
a gun to your head, which is his great intimidation
against us as a nation, what do we do as
a people in that situation? My dear brother, and I'll

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take my answer affair unless you have.

Speaker 4 (02:45:38):
The question for me.

Speaker 10 (02:45:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:45:43):
Here's what we do. Momentarily, we need to get the
advantage back to us and not them. Momentarily they may
have the advantage. We need to to utilize our own strength.

Speaker 2 (02:46:05):
Look for.

Speaker 4 (02:46:07):
Any weaknesses in the bully's capture of us at that moment,
get out of the situation. Make sure we have license
plates and all other information that we need to punish
the bully after we get out of the immediate situation. Sometimes,

(02:46:32):
when we are in the water drowning, we don't need
to worry about we're down. Maybe I should have stayed
in class longer. Maybe I should not have gotten in
this kind of water.

Speaker 5 (02:46:49):
You were in it already.

Speaker 4 (02:46:51):
Worrying about how you got in it is not the issue.
How do you get out? How do you save yourself
so that you can make a better choice next time.
It's about moving forward. So if you have the bully
taking advantage of being a bully, you have to recognize

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and this is a momentary power dynamic. This is not
going to last. I need to survive this particular moment
and make sure this does not happen again. You will
not get a chance to put me in this position again.
Moving forward, How do we move forward? That has to

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be the essence of every decision. How do we move forward?

Speaker 1 (02:47:40):
Twenty six away from the top of a thank you
calling for your call, doctor Horne. He said, we need,
we need a black agenda, we need we need to
come up with a plan. And we also made and
I think it was Alex the shortcomings of some of
our leaders having said that, though, who's going to come
up with a plan, and what are some of the
what's some of the main objectives of the plan. And

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once we come up with a plan, we'll we've come up,
we've got the framework for the plan, and we've got
the objectives.

Speaker 3 (02:48:06):
How we're going to implement it? That's my question.

Speaker 4 (02:48:10):
The part of coming together in a respectful way to
exchange ideas with each other he is to identify what

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should be the plan that we're working on. Who is
qualified or who is still or who had been trained
to work on these aspects of the plan, and when
is the plan going to be completed. Making decisions about
moving forward is first of all, deciding who is going

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to decide what moving forward looks like. You've ask a
an organizational question called part of what we do is
spend too much time on who's gonna be in charge,
who's gonna make it, who's gonna make a determination, and
and why do I have to follow this person. I

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don't even like Why why do I have to follow
this person that I think I'm better than them? Those
other concerns keep getting in the way. We need to
have think tanks. We have smart folks. We have black
folk who have gone over black history, African American history,

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pan African history, economics, et cetera. We have people who
have prepared themselves. We need to decide to meet, respect
each other, identify the way forward, and get to working.

Speaker 1 (02:49:58):
We got to take a last break twenty three minutes
away from the top day, and we come back though,
tell us should they have this plan in secret? Because
you know we'll always find one of us to sell
us out. They do it boldly these days, So should
they just do we? Should we have this plan put together,
this plan in private, not on the radio, not be

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in print, and with people that we can trust.

Speaker 3 (02:50:22):
And that's the whole another issue right there.

Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
And then then when they have the plan presenting to
us as the people to vote on it or accept
it or do what whatever we want to do with it,
I'll let you thrash that out when we get back.
It's twenty three minutes away from the top day. Our
family just checking in. I guess this is doctor David Horn.
Doctor Horne is a critical thinking expert. He taught that
at the college level. That's what he's teaching us this morning,
how to become critical thinkers. You want to speak to him,

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reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone
calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with
us on this Tuesday morning and the fifth day of Quanza.
About it ghani and that means what's happening, what's going on?
What's the news? Actually that's the official translation in Swahili,
And your response is nia, which means purpose uh, Doctor Horn.

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Before we left, I was talking our question to you
about this plan. We needed to have a plan. We
talked about earlier before you got here, about Project twenty
twenty five. And they created that plan plan years ago,
probably decades ago, and then they implemented and it's working
to position right now. They've almost completed everything that was
in that plan. Other groups know this and they probably
have their plan too, and we don't know about it.

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My question to it is, though, when we decide that
we're going to do this plan, come over with a
black agenda? How are we do we keep it out
of the eyes of the media. Should should this be
discussed on the radio? Should be? Should it be we
invite everyone to have some sort of an input, or
should they be done in private? And then and then
we just say, hey, this is the plan, this is
where we're going. If you can pledge to join us,

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if you will and see where you fit in.

Speaker 3 (02:51:54):
How do we handle that.

Speaker 4 (02:51:57):
The Looking back at the history of black planning for
a black progress, it is clear that we cannot do
the kind of serious planning in public that we need

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to do. To move forward. You need to identify a
place to retire into discussions and laying out what has
to be done, who's to get it done, when is

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it to be done, and how to get it done.
You need to be away from the public glare. You
got to be inside of something, inside of a mountain,
inside of a building, inside of something, away from the public.
The plan needs to at least be private until you

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have a plan. Once the plan has been decided upon,
and it cannot be decided upon by one person, It
has to be a group decision. You have to be
able to talk to each other enough to be able
to identify who has talent for what part of the plan.

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Once you have come to some agreement about this is
what we are going to do, you have to also
come to an agreement about how you're going to handle
threats to the plan. If you're trying to trim across.

Speaker 5 (02:53:47):
A river.

Speaker 4 (02:53:49):
Ten of you, twelve of you, fifteen of you, you
need to get to the other side in order to
implement whatever planning you've come up with.

Speaker 5 (02:54:01):
On the way.

Speaker 4 (02:54:03):
To the other side of the river, somebody starts drowning,
somebody can't quite make it. Do you then all try
to go and save the person who is drowning and

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postpone the plan until you have saved somebody from drowning,
and then you all end up drowning and you never
get to the other side. Or do you make another
decision on the way to the other side about how
to handle one of your planners now having difficulty. Does

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everybody come to try to save that person, or does
the strongest swimmer in the group go and help the
person who is having difficult Or Again, planning has to
be about what is it that we are trying to plan,

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Who is it best qualified to get the plan done.
How can we get the plan implemented.

Speaker 5 (02:55:20):
You've got a.

Speaker 4 (02:55:21):
Series of decisions to be made in the planning.

Speaker 5 (02:55:27):
What we have to.

Speaker 4 (02:55:30):
Work on right now, call is avoiding the egotisms and
the I'm in charge and I'll tell you what to do.
That's not planning, that's being directed. We have gotten into
the habit of looking for the leader, the group, the

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idea and substituting those for a plan. Those are not plans,
those are simply uh voices in the in the room there.
Let me give you an example. A few days ago
in Maryland, the a decision was made to overturn the

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governor's decision that reparations UH, the issue about reparations was
was over with. We are not going to create a
a reparations commission.

Speaker 5 (02:56:35):
We have to move on.

Speaker 4 (02:56:38):
The legislators overcame that decision and a commission was decided upon.
Some people don't think the commission is the answer or
an answer, a proper answer to what uh the reparations

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issue has raised. Whether some people think they should have
had a commission or not does not matter. They now
have a commission. Let's look to see whether that commission
actually comes up with a reparation's plan. Are the people
on the commission going to be able to not get

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overwhelmed by their own sense of importance, their own sense
of they are the most important card in the in
the commission's decision making. Are we going to be able
to tone down the selfishness long enough to focus on

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the issue at hand. Planners sometimes get too caught up
in themselves and they forget the plan, They forget why
they're there, They forget what they will be coming up with. If,
for example, we're talking about the Montgomery bus boycott, if

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the people in the room who decided that there will
be a boycott decided that now it's more important that
people follow me. It's more important that they listen to
the way I want to go. Or is it more
important to come up with a plan that's going to work.
Is it me the personality, or.

Speaker 5 (02:58:29):
Is it.

Speaker 4 (02:58:32):
What we're aiming at. We have to tone down the personalities.
We have to tone down how great I am and
focus on what has to be done. It moves us forward.
If most of the people get across the river and

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focused on the strategy of getting something done, everybody getting
across the river may not work. Some people may have
to drown.

Speaker 5 (02:59:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:59:04):
Hold thought right there the folks. Yeah, we got some
more folks who want to talk to you. The tweet
question too, U, Dr Horn. A rock mon is reaching
out to us. He's calling from New York on line
one Grand Rising rock Money. You're on with Doctor David Horn.

Speaker 5 (02:59:20):
Morning bro.

Speaker 1 (02:59:23):
Rockman, Kevin? Did Rockman hang up? I think Rockman hung up?
All right, here's a tweet question for you, Dr Horn.
The tweeter says, shouldn't we be moving away from these
white people and supporting one another? Shouldn't we leave their military?
Shouldn't we arm ourselves to protect our families from this government?
It's a deep question right there.

Speaker 4 (02:59:46):
There are some people who do need to do exactly that.
There are some people who do need to arm themselves.
Everybody does not need to do right now the same thing.
We have not come out with a battle clear battle
plan and identified everybody's assignment. All of us should not

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be in the military. No, that won't work. All of
us should not be running for office. No, that's not
gonna work either. We need to decide where we're trying
to go and how best to get there. What who's
best qualified to help us get there. We spend too

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much time arguing over silly stuff. Who's in charge, what
kind of dress you're wearing, what kind of what's wrong
with your hair?

Speaker 5 (03:00:42):
You know who?

Speaker 4 (03:00:44):
Who's screwing who? We spend too much time on stuff
that doesn't have to do with the plan to move forward.
Let's agree on the plan. Then we can identify who's
going to implement the plan. Then we can identifire who
is going to help get it done. How do we

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move forward? That has to be the logical question to
put on the table. How do we move forward?

Speaker 1 (03:01:15):
Well, let me ask you this question. Are you optimistic
about our future looking ahead?

Speaker 4 (03:01:22):
Yes? I am. And when you say it our future,
I am looking at African people. We enough of us
have been at the bottom long enough to recognize this
ain't where we belong. Enough of us have been treated

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badly long enough to understand this is not working for us.
There are handfuls of black folk who can sit in
a room and work together and not spend the time
cursing each other out, talking bad about who's doing who

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started worrying about who has more money than the other,
who had a bigger car when they came to the meeting.
There are groups of black folk in this country and
in other countries who can get together in spite of
all the difficulties lay out a plan for that particular

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area about moving forward. We need to get in those
small groups, make those plans and move forward.

Speaker 5 (03:02:41):
Carl.

Speaker 1 (03:02:44):
And those plans, Doctor Horne, include cooperating or plans with Africa.
Is that they core the plan as well wherever plan
we come up with, because you know, some folks don't
want to be African.

Speaker 3 (03:02:56):
Some people look like us.

Speaker 1 (03:02:58):
With you know, I know you're laughing, but we have
We have some people who you know, I guess the
look in the mirror and they think they're Asian or
something else that they have a problem identify.

Speaker 5 (03:03:09):
That they want to be.

Speaker 4 (03:03:10):
Yeah, they want to run away being who they are.

Speaker 3 (03:03:12):
The run away.

Speaker 1 (03:03:12):
As a doctor Renoka rushidias to say anything but African.
You know, so what what do we deal with do
with those folks? Do we leave those folks behind or
do we need Is Africa essential to our future?

Speaker 4 (03:03:26):
Then Africa is not only central. Africa is the beginning
and Africa will be whatever end they come to. Africa
is what it has been all about. That is what
we need to build. That is what we need to

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make the permanent bold stone again, that is where human
life began. That is where we need to return. We
need to organize Africa for African people. Yeah, that is
the ultimate. That's what we need to be doing. Take
small meetings, take medium sized meetings, take whatever kind of

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grouping you have to have to identify what can we
do to move forward toward that.

Speaker 1 (03:04:18):
Because you know, we've got a couple of groups out
here are confusing. Folks say they adds and they are
Foundation in Americasa whatever you yeah, right, yeah, yeah, a
lot of confusions. But the family you're African, no matter
what they say, they just don't you know, they just
don't want you and known all that was just started
for you not to vote Democratic. By the way, they

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didn't want you to vote for for KAMMLA. We actually
started with not voting for Biden. That's where it started.

Speaker 4 (03:04:44):
Hey. And and the other thing is we need to
stop letting people tell us who to vote for. We
need to stop letting people tell us how to get
to the other side of the river. We need to
stop people from determining our pathway forward. Our pathway is

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our pathway. The whole idea that Africa is in some
way the backward part of the world, we have allowed
them to put that into our head. Africa is not
the bad part. Africa is the beginning, and if there

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is going to be the end, Africa is going to
be the end.

Speaker 1 (03:05:31):
A shake to that, doctor Horn, and we got to
cut it right there with just about out of time.
I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us all
these years. Thank you, Doctor Horn. The more forward to
some more conversations in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (03:05:44):
You're quite welcome, Carl.

Speaker 3 (03:05:46):
All right, family, that's it.

Speaker 11 (03:05:47):
For the day.

Speaker 1 (03:05:47):
Classes over dismiss Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in
Baltimore on ten ten WLB. And also I'm at DMV
on fourteen fifty WOL