Dr. David Horne, Wayne Gilman, Reggie Thomas & Pam Africa on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for making us part
of your morning richel. This is Thursday Morning. Later, critical
thinking expert and reparations advocate doctor David Horn will take
over our classroom now. Doctor Horne will discussed Kam o'has's book,
also talk about the Congression of Black Caucus convention that's
taking place in Washington, DC right now. But before doctor Horn,
media analysts Wayne Gilman and Reggie Thomas, who will review

(00:23):
the recent Jimmy Kimmel issue and what he means for
the First Amendment. But to get us started, moment, Tella,
we're gonna speak with the moves PAM Africa. But let's
get Kevin wepen the classroom's doors on this Thursday morning,
Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey, Grand Rising, Carl Nelson, My man, my man, how
are you feeling?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm still learning, Kevin. I hope to learn some more today.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh yeah, that's an ongoing process and no question, lifelong.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
And we want you to persist unceasingly learning.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
You see, once you start learning and you start getting
the hearing new stuff, it's like a drug. You want more,
You want more, you want to learn more.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Sure, sure, there's never enough, man, I mean you know,
if you're not learning yours standing still and where's the
fun in that? That's not the purpose of life. You
want to live on purpose. In my humble life, I
share this.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, well, I share this one too. I've got a
online finger shares some new words every day and I
share this with Norman in Toronto. Every day they send
you a new word that you could learn what it
means and how to pronounce it. So, yeah, continuous, how
you do that as well?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I do that as well, no doubt about it. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Just for the record, today is the twenty fifth of September.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
And where does the time go?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm telling you, Well, I tell.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
You as well.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
And speaking of time, it looks like there may be
a government shut down, Politico says the White House to
the agencies prepare mass firing plans for a potential shut down.
In a memo that the Trump administration says the reduction
and enforced plans would go beyond standard shut down furloughs.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
What can we learn from that.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Carl, Well, it's either a bluff or they're for real.
You know, we never know where these guys, but for them,
they think that most of the government employees are just
concentrated in the DMV here and most of them assists,
most of them are black women, so there's not much recognition.
Because federal workers all over the country side the country
as well, so they would be impacted as well. And

(02:27):
they've rejected an invitation to discuss the impass with the Democrats.
You know, they said no, they don't want to meet
with them. It's either our way or the highway. So
there's going to be an impasse. We'll see if the
Democrats cave because they want the Democrats to calling for
more because they cut a lot of the medical issues
in the bill. There's a lot of this stuff can

(02:47):
connected to Obamacare. Let's call it what it is. They
called the Affordable Care Act, but it's Obamacare, and so
the Democrats are trying to get them to reinstate that
and the Republican leaders have said no way. So we'll
see how farthest off goals, because it will affect many
of our folks, Kevin, who live in our area.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, they said they're targeting employees who work for programs
that are not legally required to continue, whatever that means.
The Office of Management and Budget moved to permanently reduce
the government workforce if and only if there is a shutdown.
Outlined in that memo shared with political ahead of the release,

(03:25):
agencies and the OMB told agencies to identify the programs
for the projects and the activities where discretionary funding will
lapse on October first and no alternative funding source is available.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Well, let me say this because because government workers have
been through this several times, not just in this administration,
of the previous administration, almost seems like it's a ritual
to go through two or three times a threatened to
be shut down. But if you work for the government,
and if you're anybody, you better have some money saved
us somewhere because one of these days, you know, it
just may happen, and this might be it. So if

(04:02):
you're a government employee, make sure you've got you got
something in the bank or something set aside, just in
case they shut down, and just in case they, as
the Bridge call it, mark, you was redundant. That means
you're fired. So just to be be that's a warning,
you know, those of you who listen for us for
quite some time on the standback, because markam Anaheim has
been telling us, so these days are coming and right now,
they're here.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
And the bridge and the BBC rather says the warning
came after Trump refused a meeting with the Democrats who
are seeking to secure health care funding as part of
the budget negotiations. And we remain hopeful that Democrats in
Congress who will not trigger or shut down and the
steps outlined above will not be necessary, the memo from

(04:43):
the President says, And the Budget Office memo warns of
permanent fire. Permanent firing specifically for those aforementioned federal programs.
Many federal government agencies rely on annual funding approved by Congress.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know, she right away there trying to push it
on the Democrats that said that if there's a government
shut down and used your jobs because of the Democrats.
So again, it's all this political infighting and I'm not
sure many many folks understand how to read between the
lines what's going on here?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Wow, I tell you. And we're gonna keep her eye
on that.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And I meanwhile, Kamala Harris is distancing herself from Biden
on her book tour amid pro Palestinian protests.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
And then yeah, this is interesting, Kevin, because doctor Horn
is going to talk about that when it comes on
later this morning, because the book she takes no prisoners. Man,
she went out there, and I'm just wondering how many
of these bridges as she burned, if that means that
she's done with politics. So I got to ask doctor
Horn that you're right. She tortures a lot of people
in that book. She she just tells it like it is.

(05:52):
Question is why at this point you're done with politics,
You're gonna need these You're gonna need these folks to
help you if you're gonna run again or what even if
you're gonna run just not really for the president presidency,
but if you for the state of California, if you're
gonna go after the governorship, well she says she's not
going to go after the governorship, but anyway, it's just
the end of the line for her. So so that's

(06:12):
the question. Those are the things in that book. Kevin Uh.
Doctor Hall will talk about it and means like it's
like a divorce, you know it's over.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
And it seems that's the way in politics, isn't it.
You ride the wave until until the wave doesn't reach
the shore or something.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I made that up.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
But in the town hall meeting in Midtown Manhattan, with
fifteen hundred people present. Kamala Harris said, people in our
administration can tell you what my voice was in those rooms,
in those closed rooms in the Oval office. I was
not the president. I couldn't make the decision, but I
made my position clear. But she didn't spell on any

(06:53):
specific policy differences she had with the with the administration
when she was serving.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
So yeah, and she had a chance to do that too.
That's the other issue too, she had a chance. I'm
not quite sure. One of the reporters who interviews she
asked her, what does she done different uh without Joe Biden?
Or would she have done something different than what Biden
has done the Biden administration has been doing, and she
said basically said nothing. I think that's where she lost
a lot of people because not everyone was on board

(07:21):
with but the Biden administration. If she would say and
just say, hey, I'd have done this a little different.
I'd have done this a little I think people should
have gotten more respect and probably got some more votes
as well.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
The vice president's job isn't to sit in publicly argue
with the president anyway, are they You know?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
No, it's not, but but when you're on the stump,
you're running for the top job now, and you just
gotta be honest with it. For folks, you know, we
don't agree on it. Everybody doesn't agree on everything everything
one hundred percent. Locke is that with everything at any
in any cause, anywhere, you know, just about anything. Oh
and she basically said that she agrees to everything he did.

(08:00):
And then we're talking about what's going on in Gaza.
That was a big issue for Palestine and Americans as well.
So she would even just say that I disagree, I'd
have done that different and she didn't have to go
maybe going depth, she could have scurried it. She would say,
I'd have done that differently. I'd have done the Gaza
thing differently, or what I've done balanced the budget differently,
you know, and without going up into depth and doing it,
I think people giving them more respect.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, one final quote from her, the former vice president says,
let's bring the temperature down. I understand what's happening right
now in Gaza. What is happening to the Palestinian people
is outrageous and it breaks my heart.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
She said, So, yeah, well, she should have said that
when she was running.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
You know, she says, I'm not president. There's nothing I
can do.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
And she part of that too, Kevin, you know, and
we can't leave this untouched. She's married to a Jewish person,
and what's going on in Gaza. The people who on
the Palestine side, they think that they're not going to
get any love or respect because of course she should us.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Been's Jewish. There's anything wrong with that?

Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, nothing wrong with that. But but yeah, no' that
but really nothing wrong with that. But just be straight
up and tell folks. When she refused to wait in
on that, that's when people say, Okay, nothing's gonna change.
Not knowing that Donald Trump is very close close to Natanyao,
closer than her to Netanyao, so things would probably accelerate

(09:24):
once you get it. Once he got in obviously, which
he did so, but the Palestinians held out against her,
and a lot of folks who love the Palestins did too.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
In her book, it says that she's pretty critical of
Trump's handling and his relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netting Yahoo. So Donald Trump has given Neting Yahoo a
blank check to do whatever he wants, and so she's
you know, speaking up in that way. But that's the
way it is for Thursday, the twenty fifth of September. Carl,

(09:55):
thanks for your time.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
We've got sister Pam Africa's standingbody.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
All right, let's bring in sister Pam Africa from the
Move organization, Grand Rising. Sister Pam, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
Yes, Grand Rising, I'm glad.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
To be here this morning. Yes, a few things on
my mind.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
One of the things in the discussion that y'all was
just talking about, I really think that Trump.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
Is going for a civil war.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
He's placing all his troops and Keith, you know, he
hadn't finished placing them in different cities and knocking people
off their jobs. One of the highest paying jobs that
you can get right now is to join the police
force and to join into the prisons. You know, you
get a couple of few thousand dollars bonus for joining

(10:43):
and then you get you know this, I can't affect
right down of the huge you know of money that
they get and they'll be getting more and people who
have no money and you don't have to have a
high school diploma in order to you know, I've change
these jobs they're you know, actually getting ready in front

(11:09):
of our eyes. Hitler didn't come become the monster that
everybody knew that he was and or overnight and it
took time.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
And Trump is doing the same thing.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
And I understand Ford and know for a fact that
Trump is a pawn for big business. While we looking
at him and or you know, we're missing you know,
he's doing the work of big business. And you know,
so I need to get on my subjects today, my son.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, well, let me before you before you move on
to your subjects. Do you think everybody understands that pan uh?
Do you think that especially the black maners. Do you
think they've figured it out by now?

Speaker 8 (11:50):
No?

Speaker 6 (11:51):
No, because they get they can't get past you know, money,
they can't get past fear, and you know, those are
the two things that's holding these people go onto this system.
And because they see clearly that you know, it's it's foul,
is corrupt, they know that both parties are the same
and or you know, but they you know, they keep

(12:12):
holding on to it and all they're saying, Pharaoh, let
my people go. No people, let Pharaoh go, and Pharaoh
will fall and or you know, you know, we got
a lot of work to do, and are you know,
and you know me like you and other people you
know understanding it's for people who understand to constantly teach.

(12:36):
And you know, because one thing for sure, that's shoving
people our ways. People never thought that they would throw
off that ape in or throw off that other you know,
the top had for you know, a array or something
and or to have to fight this government. They making
sure that you understand that. And a lot of people
are you know, we have to be in place in

(12:59):
or to get people to understand. And I'm not just
saying me, I'm saying you know, you know, I love
the organization. You know, a lot of the organizations that
do work. I'm not gonna you know, mean you know.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
You know one when there's there's a whole lot of
them that are telling.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
People the truth. One I'm wanting them because I'm bringing
them into Philadelphia, and that's Charles Barron and uh you
know with his black power, you know, moving speaking truth
to power. The reason why I'm bringing him in because
of the election time that's coming up. And you know,
a lot of times people don't know what questions to

(13:39):
put before I mean, what powerful questions and all that
they can put to you know, like city council to
make them work.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
You know, we put.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
People in and then you know, we back off.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
We don't look and find.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Out what it is that we can get from all
these governments. Charles Barron has taught us, you know what
we can get and you know by being on the inside,
and you know, you can't run for these offices, you know,
and not be truthful.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
About who you are.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
He's a black panther. He's a black panther and all
who has done so much for his community. His district
is predominantly all black. I think it's two to three
percent whites, and you know in his district and all
he do things for black people. And he's on that
floor and there's no business as usual because he's not

(14:36):
the person that you can tell him to sit down
and you know, this is the way things you know
are and and he teach you the way it should be.
He's an unapologetic you know, you know black man that's
in politics, and he fought for over twenty years in

(14:56):
his district coming his wife Ana, is to change that
entire the district around so that blacks can be you know,
have what other folks have they built schools and or
you know, with some of the most top notch equipment.
You know, you know, he he dood firmly, like when

(15:19):
politicians will come. I can't think of the dude names
that you know, he disrupted, you know, one of the meetings.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
I think it was Fumacomo.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
Where he you know, he upset the meeting by you know,
not allowing him and or to tell the usual lies
to the people and let people clapp and you know,
like they don't even left the time people clap, don't
even know why they clapp and all it takes is
one place from the class when the second class and
then you got everybody clapping and they don't know what
they are clapping about.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
But him, he.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Makes sure that people understanding him and his wife.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
We're bringing them to a thaw a double because we
have an election.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Come right, Hold up, all right there, sister Pam. We
got to step aside for a few moments. We come back.
I want you to tell us about you bringing Charles Brown.
But you know you've got some other folks lined up
for your event called the Black Rage against the Machine. First,
I want you to tell us what that title means family.
You two can get in on this discussion with Sister
Pam Africa from the Move Organization. Reach out to us

(16:19):
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Thursday morning.
I guess it's Sister Pam Africa from the Move organization.
Sister Pam is part of a group. They're having an
event taking place this weekend in Philly. It's called the
Black Rage against the Machine. She mentioned that Charles barn
is part of that group. But before we give us

(16:40):
the other members of the group, Sister Pam, what do
you mean when you say the Black Rage against the Machine?
That's the title of this meeting that you guys are having.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
I should have seen black and hell careage against the machine.
I know because I have, you know, led a lot
of black people and all this real want to go
up against this government. The machine is this government. The
machine is Corporate America. The machine is fools like you

(17:10):
know Trump and all who you know they use. The
machine is the people that's blocking us that look like us,
and you know, we want to educate them about what's
going you know, you know, and a lot of them
already know what's going on, and some really don't understand
what's happening. And the Black Radical courageous, you know, and

(17:35):
that was a title, it's not an organization. And uh,
when we was pulling this program together, myself and Sister
pile Ay and Brother Shamari say, you know, well, what
are we going to call this?

Speaker 9 (17:47):
We're bringing in.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Brother Charles Barron and I and there's barring and we're
bringing in brother doctor Macintosh and on his issue is
you know, Netflix, and they have a whole lot of
other issues and they that they're upfront on and all
zimby way the Congo and a Palestine and or you
know HATI and or you know, and what's going on here.

(18:14):
They're not people that just talk about situations. They do
something and that's what you know, Black radical politics is
and are, and they go deep and they expose the
injustices you know that are happening there. And you know
when you call on them. I know that when I
call on them, they got my back and I got theirs.

(18:37):
Black radical, the black radical rage against the machine is
just that and are you know, we're outraged, just like
I'm outraged, you know, and I know a lot of
other people are outraged. But my part of my job
is the way people up and or you know, when

(18:58):
I find you know, I've got this quote off the
and then yesterday a friend of mine put it up
there and it's said that I'm a oh, I'm a
truth seeker and h I'll get back to that. But

(19:21):
in in other words, I'm a truth seeker and h
to who's finding out really about the lives of this system?
And uh, it's you know, and to and to expose
that because that is so important because there's so much
I'm learning every day every day, you know, I'm learning
more and sharing that information. Charles Baron, h, doctor Charles

(19:46):
barn Now excuse me, doctor McIntosh. You know, doctor James McIntosh.
I could bring them in for a million reasons and all,
but the main reason was Netflix and all. Where he's
taken upon himself to form groups and the organizations and
the name of his organization is the Committee to Eliminate

(20:09):
Media Offensive to African People. And right now it's Jeff Curry,
the famous basketball player, the black famous basketball player, and on.
He is so great at what he's doing, he's masterful.
But what else he has done? And he is the

(20:29):
corporate in a Netflix cartoon, black cartoon, which is supposed
to be a spin off on Good Times. It's called
Good Times Reloaded. It's the most foul, filthiest, you know,
disrespectful thing that a black man can do. And he's

(20:51):
on Netflix and he's surrounded by let me tell you.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
About the program. I know, doctor McIntosh has been on.
He's talking about it.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
And uh, they got seen in there where some women
is riding through them with her children, riding.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Through the womb.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
This is the cartoon inside the womb, riding on a
tampon and uh and you know it thrush in blood
and uh and then you can see the seamen. You
know they got this other thing that picked it as
semen mixing with it too.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
They have another one where a young lady.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
Is on her minstrel and she reaches down the throw
blood into a black man's on the black child's face.
Another one where you know one brother, older brother got
the glock on a baby in a uh in a
in a coach and or you know it's.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Either right, we get the gest of it because as
you said, doctor macintosh has been on it, and he's
been on that that that case of trying to get
and he's successful because they're not going to repeat it anymore.
But those those and those you know, instances that you
point out are out there on the internet going around
the world, and of course it affects our image. And
for those of you who don't know and just checking

(22:06):
in that, this is Pam Africa from the Move organization.
It's part of a group having the Black Rage against
the machine and she's a reference in a doctor James
McIntosh from Simo Tap and they've been they've been going
after Steph Cullykurr. He's the executive producer of this this
Good Time spin off, a cartoon spin off, which is
just horrible. It's just horrible. But I want to get
to some more folks who are on their sister Pam,

(22:28):
because you mentioned doctor, you mentioned Charles Brown's going to
be there, going to be one of the speakers as well,
twenty six after the top of the hour this early morning.
Who's else is going to be speaking at this event?
And when and where is it going to be?

Speaker 6 (22:39):
Okay, it's going to be at fifty eleven Wing Street
in Philadelphia at the Women's Crossroads Center myself are going
to be speaking on the dangers of what is happening
with Moveleia and laying.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
Out and it's been done here, you know, many.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
Many times, the conspiracy to kill Momeir. We'll have documentations
and urging people because you know, it's not like we
are we're just saying, oh, you know, they're trying to
kill Momir and don't have no backup. We got medical
records with backup. We have you know, doctors on who

(23:26):
was on stand in court and uh, you know who
was caught when when the DC inner papers you know
saying that Mumia didn't need and uh the medical help
that was needed, which was the hepatitis C you know
shot to save his life, and uh, the intimidation that

(23:50):
has been going on in this case and the threats.
You know, one doctor was on a was on a
stand in Scramton and he was asked by attorney by
Ball and all about some papers that was you know,
saying that Mounia did not need he didn't fit the

(24:12):
criteria to get this you know release, and the doctor said,
you know, no, I didn't sign that. You know, he said,
I didn't that's not my writing. I didn't say that.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
And uh, he says. And the signature signature.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
There isn't mine and uh, you know. And again the
papers was to secure or sure kill one for minute
because the team did not get that hepatitis see cure
at the time.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
That he needed it, and he would have been dead.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
That was exposed in the court room.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
And the fact that people did not even know that
in order to get the hepatitis see cure at that
time and or imprisoned and or you had your esophagists.

Speaker 10 (24:57):
Had to be bleeding and you you know, you.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Had to be done there near death. And according to House,
they wrote it up and it was something that the
department of.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
The Philadelphia Department of Corrections and of.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Their guidelines for getting a hepatitis sea shot. And it's
a shame because they should be put up on murder
charges because a lot of people died up under those
rules that you had to be done.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
There dead and uh and if you were back to.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
That point and or it didn't make no sense in
giving you the cure anyway, and or Mooney was fitting
into that criteria. And there's a lot of groups the
nation of Islam or a whole lot of people you know,
had protested exposed what was happening. You know, with this,
it wasn't to tell it hit Moomeir, you know, because
we was relentless and we went to the Department of

(25:52):
Health to find out what was going on. And before
they realized how strong we were, and because they gave
all the information booklets that they was supposed to be
passing out in the communities, we got them books and
made sure because where this were boxes and we took
that down and was making sure city council who had

(26:13):
nothing on this epidemic.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Because that's what it was. It was an epidemic. We
found out that of the.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
I think seven thousand, six hundred people that was in
the prisons and or who had hepatitis CE, and it
was forty six thousand in the city of Philadelphia who
also had this hepatitis see and they were struggling as
well as the people inside the prison to.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
Get to cure. It was, you know, and it wasn't
even spoken of.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
It was the fight and the people going together and
standing with strong people.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Who wouldn't let it go, and all forced.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
Politicians to get involved, forced the governor to come out
and start having commercials about the days are hepatitis C
and how you know what they was going to do
to make sure that people got it? And you know
Moonia's case, and is the case that people across the
United States inmates in prison started getting the hepatitis. See,

(27:15):
they want to kill Mona because he was a danger
to them on the inside and he's a danger to
them on the outside.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
All right, Hold, I thought that twenty nine minutes away
from the top of our family, just waking up here.
Listen to the voice you're hearing. There is a sister
Pam Africa from the Move Organization's just part of a group.
They're having a conference this weekend in Philly. It's called
Black Rage Against the Machine. And let me ask you this, though,
a Sister Pam, If the titles is Black Rage against
the Machine, do you think black people are ready to rage?

(27:43):
You think black people are ready to stand up and fight.
You are, obviously, and the people on this panel are
as well. But you think that the average black person
listening to us now is ready to hit the streets.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
You know, and that's our job to get them. And no,
but you know they gotta understand, and people got to understand.
Do whatever it is that you can. I'm ready to
fight these suckers down. I mean May thirteenth is an
example of how I want to fight. And the August
eighth is, you know, because enough is enough. And or
you know, people can get involved by helping people out.

(28:20):
They can fund organizations that are on the front mine,
you know, fighting when they understand and are those who
you know, you know, send send, send the money order
and or you know, people can put.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
On events in their community and or.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
Like you know, my rage and or you know, I
want to give people some solutions. So I brought in
I'm running in Charles Barron and I'm bringing in you know,
and this is just you know, two of the people.
And or to educate people and language is that they
can understand. So you know, no, a lot of them

(28:55):
not ready to you know, get up and fight or
fight on your level. And I'm telling you I came
in fighting on my level. And all because you know,
I was programming of a youth group and you know,
young mom and all who liked to bake and cook.
And you know, I saw an injustice happening on my corner,
which was moved and because.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
Of the moon.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh, I thought right there as a sister, Pama, tell
us what turned you around? You you were the all
American black women, if you will, you know brief past
and the South pants and all of that. What flipped
it for you?

Speaker 6 (29:30):
You know, this government seeing first hand in what was
going on, and you know what I saw on that
corner with the Move organization was not the first day
and for a little bit they told the truth about
what was happening, and then this stuff just flipped. I
believed in Channel three, six, seventeen and twenty nine and ten,

(29:52):
those were the channels.

Speaker 7 (29:53):
Then I believed in the inquiry because why was they lie?

Speaker 6 (29:57):
I'd be lucky with they lie.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
On these panthers.

Speaker 6 (29:59):
Why what they lie or move? What makes them think
they're so significant?

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Well?

Speaker 6 (30:03):
I found out. I found out. And people ask me
how do I have such patience with people who don't know?
Because I was a person who didn't know, and I'm
still learning. And also you know, I understand that you know,
and I'm telling you, look, people being food fair fast
now because there's a lot of people be coming to us,

(30:26):
and I direct them to wherever I can and or
to get the work done. And I found out what
level you on if you somebody that's learning to be
a part of the nation that is not where they're fighting, and.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
If you.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
Learning to be one of the people with a Brother
for Peace, Black Alliance for Peace, you know, I referred
them to radio shows. I refer to yours. I refer
to Brother Kline.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
I refer to people just coming in and want to know,
and they like and h and we got a lot.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
Of people our Netflix because they did not believe that,
you know, this thing could happen, you know, with with Jeff.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Curry and or you know, and it's not the money
and because he.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
Got plenty of money, and or you know, whatever it is.
And and you know, for people to stop analyzing you know,
people that you know play basketball, or you know, because
they sing good, this government would try to make them
our ills. But you got to look further into it.
That's part of teaching people and are at radicalizing them

(31:42):
and or you know, because look, I got radical lives.
And I told you I was blind head at my
hair was blind. It's not like I said anything because
Aborigines and all got blind hair and or but I died,
my mind was blind because I did not want to
be anything but like the peopeople in city hall, red suits,

(32:02):
high heels and uh and you know, a part of
this government and believed in it until until there was
no more, until May twenty, nineteen seventy seventy.

Speaker 11 (32:12):
And I bought my youth with me.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
You know, to this day, it's a lot of.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
Them who's not on that front line and all.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
But they will call me, you know, when they need
information and you know, things like that, and they will
spread information. When people say paying Africa is crazy, they
tell them about the pending, about the janet patent that
they knew and or you know, and what I did
with youth, this is nothing but you know myself and

(32:42):
like others and moving on and finding you know.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
That's just the PAM holder thought right there. We got
to check the news and trafficking in our different city.
So I'll let you expound on the black rage against
the machine that's taking place this weekend in Philadelphia. Family,
you want to join this discussion with sister Pam Africa
from the Move organization, reach out to us at eight
hundred four to five zero seventy eight to seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls after the news update.
That's next Family, I Franks are waking up with us

(33:10):
on this Thursday morning at seventeen minutes away from the top.
They are our guest. This sister Pam Africa from the
Move organization. Now Sister Pam is part of a group
they're gonna have a discussion this Sunday is called the
Black Rage against the Machine. Before we go back to
Sister pamlet let me just remind you. Coming up later
this morning, we're gonna speak with a critical thinking expert
and reparation advocate. There will be doctor David Horn. Took
a lot of issues politics with Doctor Horn and reparations

(33:33):
as well. Also media analysts Wayne Gilman and Reggie Thomas
will join us. They're going to review the recent Jimmy
Kimmel issue. And tomorrow, of course, he's Friday. We're going
to give you another chance to free your mind and
all that means. Just think for yourself and join us
for our open Phone Friday program again promptly at six
am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten ten
WLB and also in the DMV on FM ninety five
point nine and AM fourteen fifty wol and I say

(33:56):
this all the time. Please don't wait till the last minute.
Every Friday, we have a bunch of folks who don't
get on because I wait till the last minute to
try to get in anyway, So if we start again
at six am Eastern time to all your friends, you
want to hear from you sixteen away from the top
of the right. Now, though, sister Pam, this black rage
against the machine. What are some of the issues are
going to be discussed here at this meeting?

Speaker 7 (34:17):
Number one, the.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Uh politics all the way over that brother Charles Barron
is going to be doing, dealing with radical politics politics, Yes,
I did see that right, And from the beginning to
the in housing issues, oh my god. And he's showing

(34:44):
how we can do what he did in New York
and uh, you know, controlling our communities. But we as
a people got to understand our power and what it
is that we can do, and we got to know
them laws and we'll we put people in and they're
in city council and uh, you know, the state on

(35:05):
them because these are not laws.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
That was just for New York that he discovered a.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
Lot of people don't know because white folks was coming
to him like how did you do this? And or
you know, and he got those you know, those answers
the media, the media manipulation and uh this brother, doctors,

(35:31):
doctor Macintosh and or you know, he'll he'll be dealing,
you know, with a lot of the issues on that
I'm dealing with, Momir, not only the issue of Momeir,
but what's going on inside the prison and outside. Just
like for the hepatiti to see how we found out
how many thousands inside the prison had it and people
on the outside.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
Was rule you know about them coming home and we
found out that they should.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Now I'm not rude because it was forty six thousand
out here and that was just in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Why don't you be going to ask you this question though,
the Sister Pound, let me ask you this question because
right now your ap preaching to the choir. People who
listen to you right now, they're down with what most
people at least a down with what you what you're saying.
And if if they're in Philly, they're gonna be there.
If not, if they go there, they'll be there and
support what you do it. But the majority of our
folks they're not in touch. They and they're still kind

(36:23):
of concerned and queasy when they talk when you say
something about radical and rage and black many our people,
like doctor Welson said, they just want to get along,
just trying to find a better spot in the system
of racism, white supremacy. They don't want to do anything
you know that rock the boat or anything. They're cool
that they understand their place. They have been programmed to
be subservient and just work, try to work with the system.

(36:46):
How are you going to move those folks? How are
you going to get them to go from A to B?

Speaker 12 (36:50):
What?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
What are you going to say to them? Or what
can Charles Baron, what can doctor McIntosh say to them
to get them say oh wow and wake them up
like you had an awakening? What you think I think
it's going to take to do that.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
In a consistent things, consistently and doing it because again,
I was one of them, and there's a whole lot
of people that was with me. Was one and uh,
you know, once you know, it's a lot of people
that heard Charles Bowen on the radio show in Philadelphia,
and they want to come. They want to get more.
They want to know how they can do whatever it

(37:24):
is that they do. A lot of people are voted,
some people are you know, wanting to run for office,
and and they want some answers, you know, because things
cannot be the way you know, the way it you
know it was, and you know, we're directing this way
I say, black rage against the this political machine.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
And because we're.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Addressing black people at this particular issue and at this
particular program, and we're asking for our black brothers and
sisters to come in so that we can talk with them.
And because most people think that I came up in
a political family, No I didn't. You know, My My
family was not political at all.

Speaker 7 (38:08):
And all you know there was working.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
Class and you know, they didn't know didn't understand anything
about you know, cause they my family went and got
one of them deprogrammers for me.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Yes they did.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
They went and got cause they said I had got
programmed because I was not the same person that I was.
I was brainwashing. I say, yes, I am.

Speaker 7 (38:31):
My brain is being wised.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
Of the filth that discussed them, misunderstanding that I have
learned within this system in order to see my brothers
and sisters as the enemy and don't see my enemy
I'm saying people are waking.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
Up this like I did, and we all are examples.
We all are examples because a lot of.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
People can't believe that, you know, my whole thing in
May that May first came, I popped on red, white
and blue, made sure that end was by, made sure
those hills them hills was well, you know right and
all you know, and carry my act cash shade case.
Wherever I went seven days a week, you know that
was me and uh and rage against you know, I

(39:14):
was raised against anything that you know, and I didn't
know it.

Speaker 7 (39:18):
I thought I was a pure black woman and or
who knew what she was doing.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
And often for those women who think the thing is
I did and or you know the you know it's
awakening coming, and I think it's coming much faster. I
called you last week cause we were in the church.
I wasn't in the church. I called you because somebody
called me and told me that, you know, white folks
was trying to force their way into the church. Well

(39:43):
that video is up on on Facebook. And what was
happening there to be Eddy crash them. Now we got
some we got some hell of in excuse me, we
got some differences dealing with Morena and uh but he's
taking a stand against Trump bringing troops into Philadelphia and

(40:04):
are up you know, and bringing more ice people in
the Philadelphia. And what he's saying to Trump and to them,
he said, when you come in here, if they do
that kidnapping, where're go and grab children from schools and
on where people are shopping and on me, grab them
and take them. You don't you know that ain't happening here.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
This is what you right and and hold of thought
right there, Sister Pauma ten away from the top of that.
What she's talking about was Mother Bethel Church in Philadelphia
where the group of Maga folks try to get in
into the church, try to you know, and they try
this something. And they're doing this now on HBCU campuses
as well. They're coming onto our black colleges, these these
uh magas, these white magas and trying I don't know

(40:44):
what they want of a conversation or what, but they
feel emboldened right now. So explain to us what happened
when they try to get into Mother Bethel Church and.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
All you know, people was radicalised that second because look here,
the sisters, the elders that everybody was coming out there.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
The block what was you know, you know, to help
block them. But the brothers and they stood firm.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
On the front line. And one guy was saying that
he was coming up in there. Your brother was saying, no,
you don't understand, You're not coming up in here, and
you know, he says, and you know, the guy just
kept you know, pushing like he was going to come
up in there. And that stuff went on for a while.
But the Nation of Islam came out there in full
power and all the Black community and h you know,

(41:29):
came down and we're talking about in society Hill and
uh with Mother Bethel and the first Black church that
I don't know whether it's in the United States or
you know, Philadelphia, I can't.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
Remember, but it's you know, it's it's.

Speaker 11 (41:46):
A well respected church.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
So so well Philisten.

Speaker 9 (41:49):
What was it?

Speaker 13 (41:49):
What was it was it?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
What did they wanted? What they want in the church?
Were they going after the day before?

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Because what classes they're doing was going around in the
community and getting peace to be a part and letting
them know what can be doing, what can be done,
and what you know, what can be done and what
they can't do, and the fact that you know, he's
going to be locking people up, so he's going to
be needing back up. He's not only in the black community,
and but he's because you know, but this is where

(42:17):
they're coming in the black and brown community, because they're
not just snatching Mexicans or people from Venezuela and uh,
they snatching Haitians, they snatching you know, people from Africa.
They don't know, they don't even know who. You know,
if you look like something that they think that you are,
you know that they're supposed to be locking up, they

(42:39):
just take you and or you know, and you don't
just get out of there by saying oh no, I'm
so and so you ain't gonna get a chance.

Speaker 11 (42:45):
So he's warning people.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
And the set the week before they came and people
didn't know that they were in there, and they totally
disrupted saying that you know, all he wanted to do
is let people out or jail and or he's protecting murderers,
rapist drug dealers by you know.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Not allowing them, right, and you're referring to the DA
crashing that right, is that what you're referring to, Yes, okay.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
And and he assured them that if they come in there,
you know, like that they will be you know.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
Be arrested.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
You're talking about Trump people coming in there like.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Like right, you're talking about the Ice people, immigration right people.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
And when the National Guard come in here, he asked
them not to send them in there. And uh, you know,
and I really believe that a lot of these murders
and things that's happening always something because it's just so crazy.
And uh, if they're not, you know, I've seen the
man Turion Kennedy.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
They do stuff to the people to make them do.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Stuff, because some of this stuff is just, you know,
just unbelievable what is happening. And uh, it's like you're
living in a monster movie.

Speaker 13 (43:53):
And uh and and.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
But you know that pound six away from the top
of pullo right there, because what you're talking about is
what Brother Sidiki discussed on Monday about these psyops operations
that are taking place, psychological operations, and we've got to
be aware of that. Those of you who missed Brother
Sideka just download the podcast. It was on Monday. But
so where does it stand now? Are they still trying

(44:17):
to get into our churches? Because I mentioned they're trying
to get into our colleges, our black colleges. One of
the guys of doing Trump's work for immigration. Are they
still there? And how many? And how many you get? Yeah,
the FOI there for the Nation of Islam. But can
the FOI guard all our black communities, all our black churches?
Can they do all of that?

Speaker 8 (44:37):
No?

Speaker 6 (44:37):
But you know, I think what has happened is an
example of you know, people and because it wasn't just
the FOI, they stood out more because you recognize the
bow ties, you recognize that mannerism. This is an example
of what we got to start doing in our communities,
pulling together to protect each other because they're coming in.

(45:02):
You know, ain't no doubt about it. They're coming in.
So it's you know, it's getting people prepared. Know the
FOI cannot and or protect all, but like the FOI
and the other brothers and you know, sisters, the grandmothers,
the great grandmothers and stuff that was there, and they
took her united standing, and that's what God happened throughout

(45:24):
our community. We got to come together and understand that
when they come in here, they don't care whether you
walking down the street with a one hundred dollars.

Speaker 7 (45:33):
I mean some sneakers.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Now it's like two hundred. I'm still down the kmartin Walmart,
and but they don't care how you dress, what you
look like.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
They snatched you.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
They snatched you.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
So I mean we all got a right that because
we got to check the traffic and weather in. Somebody says, so,
I think it's raining parts of the d m V
as well. But since the time when we come back
because of what crash and I did with those ice
folks trying to get into one of our churches, has
this changed your opinion of Krassler and Crashley is the
DA in Philadelphia? If this changed your opinion, I mean,

(46:07):
I'll let you give us that answer when we get back.
Family YouTube can't join our discussion with Sister Pam Africa
from the Move organization. She's part of a group called
the Black Rage Against the Machine. They're having an event
taking place on Sunday in Philly. You want to attend,
keep listening. We'll give you all the information you'd like
to speak to. Sister Pam. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy sixty
will take a calls after the trafficking weather update that's next,

(46:28):
and Grand Rising Family, Happy Thursday and welcome to Thursday.
A minute after the top of the hour, I guess
assister Pam Africa from the Move organization. She's part of
a group putting on an event in Philadelphia on Sundays
called Black Rage Against the Machine. And before we left
for the traffic and weather updates, he's telling us about
an incident to the Hamlet, one of the Philly's oldest churches.
We're maga groups and ice folks who are trying to

(46:50):
get into the church. I think they think it's a
sort of a sanctuary. Brothers and sisters blocked the church
doors and the FOI from the Nation of Islam was
there helping them to a security and they wouldn't let
them come into one of our churches. Now they were
back by the Philadelphis Da Krashner and Sister Pama. You've
had your runnings with krashing before. Just this changed your

(47:12):
changed your view of him. Now what he did stopping
those folks are invading the church.

Speaker 7 (47:16):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, it doesn't change.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
And he didn't stop the folks from coming into the church.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
The people did. He was speaking there.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
That's why they were coming. My issue with him with
Monia is very clear, and you know he allowed, He
sat back and allowed. He was a part of the
conspiracy to keep Mooi in jail when he knew, darn well,
Moomi is factually innocent when he had the Integrity Group
and was letting people out of jail based on, you know,

(47:49):
corruption in their cases. Momia had I think whatever amount
of people they let fifty people out, Mumia had an
issue in each one of those things why he should
have been let out.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
But he didn't.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
He conspired right along with him, and a lot of time.
This ain't about money, it's about fear. It's about fear.
I haven't seen lawyers. I haven't seen judges. I haven't
seen people within that system stand up one way ship
excuse me. Barack Obama was one and because one minute
and or before he ran for president and he was

(48:22):
pro Palestine. I know that, and or you know, but
you know when this fear that whatever they put on them,
he had to change it because of politics, political fears.
So you know, I understand that. But when you come
into these physicians and you tell people that you're going
to be a righteous person. You're gonna go by the laws.

(48:45):
Ain't nobody asking him or anybody else to been a
law formal mayor. We're asking them to stand on the
law formal mayor and other people malier cases one that
exposes a lot. But you know, if I was, I
had just come in from our town on the speaking engage.
I was tired with the laydowns, got the phone call.

(49:06):
I couldn't get down there because I mean, I was tied.
But I did the next best thing. I diw call him.
I called a lot of people. I called up New York,
I called France. I called every place I could to
let people know what was going on. And I've told
me if I need you, I'm putting you on notice.
But if I need you, I will call you back

(49:28):
if things escalate. But at this particular point, we got
it under control.

Speaker 7 (49:32):
Just letting you know.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
And there are things that people can do without being
right there and or when you hear it and or
you know, you know, go into action. You ain't gonta
leave your kitchen.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
I didn't leave my sofa, although I pace.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
The yeah, well hold, I thought that because we're gonna
leave you right now, sister, pan, but the event that's
taking place, the Black Rage against the Machine, I got
a one tweet wander to know if it's gonna be
live stream, if you can give us all the details
of when, where, and exactly for what folks need to do,
if there's a phone number to call for more information
or a website.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
I'm glad you said that because there's so many great
events that's going on that day and a lot of
my people will be at the.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
That's given yearly, but the dates changed at the.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Russell Maroon's Political Prisoners Dinner, and there's some other things
that's going on. Because I want black people at this
particular point. I say that to say the person the
people that usually do our streaming lives, they're not available
because they're at some of these other events. But I
do need if anybody's out there, and this is a

(50:42):
call for help, because we want people to see this
program and I need a videographer. I need somebody to
be able to get this up on on Facebook and stuff,
you know, for us. So that's one of the things
that I'm really really you know, asking, you know, help.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Four and so how do they reach your sister, pam Oh, let.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Me give you my phone number two six seven seven
six zero seven three four four and it can also
text me at that number. I'm not good at email,
but these.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
Are the things, all right.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Well, well, give us give us the the where's the
event of the place the event, the place of the
event is taking and the time that it starts on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Fifty eleven Wayne Avenue. It starts at three and in
of six thirty. We have vegetarian food. All the food
everything is, you know, is free and we just want
to break beer with people and got some great entertainment.
You know that's going to happen, you know.

Speaker 7 (51:44):
The as well.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
And remind the family who's going to be speaking, Brother.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Charles Barron and uh former U simbymen and uh New
York councilman how many of his wife They share the
same title there except for black panther that's what he is.
And brother Charles Baron will be speaking. The host would
be brother Shamaris and from Grounding Grounding Spaces, I believe

(52:14):
and guess Groundings and sister Falayshia know so in uh
the Mother of the Million Women's March and or they're
going to be hosts, then they're going to be asking
questions and myself and are dealing with the issue of momea.

Speaker 7 (52:32):
And so this is a housing, this is a medical.

Speaker 12 (52:35):
This is.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
Every social ill program that there is, would.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Answers, right, and also doctor James McIntosh understands going to
be there as well.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Oh excuse wow, doctor James macintosh.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
Yes, yes, thank you, thank you. Family.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Right, he's from Simo Town. They want to Yeah, they
keep an eye on what's going on in the media.
So thank you, Thank you, Sister Pamana. I hope everything
turns out.

Speaker 7 (53:04):
Okay, thank you, talk to you all right.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Let's justter Pama Africa from the Move Organization eight minutes
after the top day I speak about media though. Let's
maybe bring some media analysts so we can talk about
the media. We've got Reggie Thomas and Wayne Gilman join
us again. Grand Rising fellas, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 14 (53:19):
Hey, good morning.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Right, Yeah, let's let's start with this, this whole Jimmy
Kimmel issue. It exploded, Uh, the Trumpsters, the MAGA folks
thought they had a victory and then it was sort
of reversed. Let me start with Reggie first, because you've
you've worked in Russia, so you're understand by the first
of and it's a different over there than it is here.
What was your what was your view when you first

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heard that, You know, they went after Jimmy Kimmel, Well.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Good morning again. One of the benefits to my knowledge
of this, I worked to Disney and I worked depression,
so it was kind of interesting to me. I thought
it was I thought it was pretty dumb, only because
while we know that I'm sorry, I'm getting a little

(54:16):
bit of feedback, while we know that we would like
to protect.

Speaker 11 (54:21):
Freedom of speech.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
You know, you got to remember right now they're talking
the game of protective freedom of speech, but that's not
really what was trying to be dumb. And of course
we know that the executive as well as the people
behind him, the people from the Heritage Foundations, the people

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who are trying to institute or actually instituting this projective,
they know that this has happened in authoritarian.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I'll try a hold that thorn right there, Regie, and
Kevin's gonna try and isolate your line show so we
won't have that feedback that's going over the air. It's
ten out the top day. Let me switch over to
Wayne though Grand rising Wayne.

Speaker 14 (55:11):
Good morning, and it was good to hear Pam Africa's
voice the case. Yeah, and good to hear that they're
still doing something and take me back to the days
of Mama Jamal.

Speaker 12 (55:24):
You know.

Speaker 14 (55:24):
So anyway, not to get off topic, the freedom of
speech issue still prevails, you know, I think what happened
this past weekend with the return of Jimmy Kimmel was
the biggest pushback that this country needed to see. That,

(55:45):
you know, because if you scan the radio, dolls TV,
and you listen to the talk shows and what you
see on the internet, there is a plethora of folk
in our community particularly who feel that Democrats aren't doing anything.
And I'm not saying that Democrats inspired this pushback, but
it just goes to show that if we do collectively

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push back, things may stay or get better. You know,
there would be no more erosion because we are losing
all of our rights at this point. And the thing
that is so despicable about this is that during the
Biden administration, both Trump and Brendan Carr, head of the FCC,

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we're promoting freedom of speech. It has been memorialized. I mean,
if you dig it up, I think there were speeches
that they gave in twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two,
but car particularly changed his stripes in the you know,
thinking and writing in the interests of the Heritage Foundation

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to come up with his plans for Project twenty twenty five.
And as we can see now, you know, I just
think that we have with w now in the scoreboard
as far as Kimmel is concerned. But the fighter isn't over.
And if you look at the landscape of the next

(57:11):
star stations and the uh, I forgot the other company.
Forgive me having a senior moment, uh that that ABC
had some control over. You know, there was quite a
bit of a blackout. Not everybody saw the first show
unless you were on YouTube where you followed it the
next day. But I really apployed.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah, let me jump in here for a second here
because because I know where you're going with that. We'll
tackle that in a moment. But but Wayne, the issue
is that for black folks, black journalists or black news
talk people who were who were banished and you can
you know who they are and we know where they
are MSNBC, there was no the Cavity didn't come to
help those sisters and mostly sisters. You know again, family,

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you know who they are. But they came to help
Jimmy Kimmel and so some black journalists who still have
jobs and wanting what happened? What was the difference why
they come to these things?

Speaker 14 (58:05):
And there is, to be honest with you, the difference
is is playing this night and day. It's color. It's
always color. I narrated a film ten fifteen years ago
called Disappearing Voices, and it was talking about the death
of black radio. And the thing is, if ever there

(58:26):
was a time that what I said back then resonates today,
it certainly does because we are not hearing anything that
the only time that I get something. You know, and
I've talked to you off Mike about this. What you
do and what your station does on a daily basis
is a reflection of what many stations did across the country.

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I won't even take credit for what we did in
New York. I'd like to think that we were the template.
But the bottom line is you don't hear that anymore.
And then people like Joy Read, Donald Lemon, Roland Martin,
all these folks have been have been pushed out of
the four of working for the major corporate organizations, because

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I don't, I mean, the only thing I could think of,
I mean, particularly enjoy Read's case, a Harvard grad, a
scholar in her own right, and and you know the
thing is, you got to watch what you're saying. I mean,
it's it's it's it's just scary. I don't think that
she said anything different than hearing Ariy Melboro or Rachel

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Maddow who he used to work with, and others on MSNBC,
and they all rallied to her defense when she lost
the job. She knew it was coming. And I remember
the day of the night that they had, you know,
a show that in which all the anchors participated because

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you know, it's it's just glaring what's going on?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah, way, but White America did not reach respond to
whether he's I'm trying to think of the other folks,
but they did.

Speaker 14 (01:00:06):
Jimmy, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be talking.
I should know better. But the bottom line is is
that I'm not saying that there isn't a certain degree
of sensitivity. But you know, I would commend to everyone's
attention with regard to the Kimmel situation, if you get
a chance to pick up Vanity Fair. There's an article

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written by the author ton of HEC. Coachs and it
basically defines everything that's going on right now. He talks
about Charlie Kirk and the impact of what's going on
politically around this country on both sides, and how it's
affecting us. And the deal is is that getting back

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to your point about people coming to their defense. You know,
in case in the case of black journalists, you know
there's some of them feel, well, these were de Ei John.
You know, there's some people in the white community feel, oh,
you know, they're not as gifted as I can't think
of anyone that comes to mind readily, but you know,

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I'll even use Rachel And Rachel is a fantastic talent.
I mean, I knew back then when I was working
with her that she was headed for stardom. You know,
she was a PhD back in the early two thousand
and so. But nonetheless, you know, I mean, the bottom
line is is that they're people out here that just

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really they feel threatened. And Donald Trump has been very
effective in promoting the divisiveness and the bigotry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
And right the way we got to step us off
for a few moments and when you said a true
word that is fear, and he's put a fear in
a lot of these journalists. So they're afraid and even
their companies, they are afraid to report the news that
they should. Got a pentagon telling people to check with
them before they report what's going on, and the Pentagon.
We'll talk about that with Rain and Reggie when we
get back. Family, you two can join this conversation. Reach
out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy

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eight seventy six and we're taking phone calls and Grand
Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us. I
guess we have two media analysts out in New York City.
We got Reggie Thomas and Wayne Gilman. The four left
the break. Wayne was discussing what was going on with
Jimmy Kimmel. We had a problem with Reggie starting the
soft but I think it's it's solved now, Reggie, Grand Rising,
let's try it again.

Speaker 13 (01:02:29):
Hey, is it better?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah, that's much better. It well, it's a little delay,
a little feedback, but it's kind of low so I'll
let Kevin work that out.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
But it's just it's just me and you in the
phone now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
But go ahead, because you you worked, you worked, You
worked at a place where in a country where there's
no First Amendment. So when you saw this come down
with Jimmy Kimmel, but it's been going on for quite
some time, and Wayne kind of mentioned the fear that
this is done is putting fear in in broadcasters, the companies,
and journalists are like that, they're afraid to say anything
that may upset upset the White House. Is this how

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it's done because you worked in Russia as well?

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Well, okay, no, it's not done like this in Russia.
But the reason why it was done here like this,
this was nothing more than about the money. We talked
about Joy Reid, we talked about Roland Martin. None of
those were working for a major, major conglomerate. In Jimmy

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Kimmel's case, Jimmy's working for Disney. So in the case
of Jimmy Kimmel, the people use their voices to say, hey, Disney,
you you go ahead and mess with our First Amendment rights.
And guess what, we're gonna mess with your money making rights.
We're gonna stop support Disney World, Disneyland, ESPN, Bulu, Disney Plus,

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Disney Store, and they saw it in the revenue almost immediately.
What ended up happening is that if you remember, if
you watched Jimmy Kimmel the first night he returned, he said, listen,
the folks at Disney have asked me to read something

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to you. And he went inside his jacket pocket and
he says, you can reinstate your Disney Plus and Hulu
accounts by doing such and such, And everybody fell out laughing.
That was serious business right there, because they saw the

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disconnect and people deciding, hey, I can't if this is
how you're going to treat our First Amendment rights. But
regardless what the executive in the White House says, then
this is how we're gonna handle you.

Speaker 13 (01:04:54):
And they had to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
They had to unkiss the ring and go about their
business and make the money. The other thing that people
need to understand is that even though they've been threatened
about their license Disney and ABC, the only thing they
own are the eight of ABC O n o's owned

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and operated stations in markets like New York and Los Angeles.
There's a couple of other markets, probably San Francisco, probably Chicago.
Those are ABC owned and operated local television stations. ABC
parent company Disney does not have to worry about FCC licenses,

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only the local stations in those markets.

Speaker 14 (01:05:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
In the case of the of these companies that were
affiliate or our affiliated, one of the ones that Wayne
couldn't remember was Saint Clair, right, which is which is
based in Baltimore. Uh, well outside of Baltimore, I think
Cutt Valley, Maryland. They are an extreme Maga wighte company

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and and uh they are what you call disruptors. Uh
and and are part of this Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 11 (01:06:26):
Deal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
David Smith, the owner of Saint Clair, one of the
owners of Saint Clair. Uh, he is part of that
whole mix. And so in Russia you didn't have all
of that. You you had companies that were leasing licenses.
You didn't own a license. In Russia, you leased a license.

Speaker 11 (01:06:50):
And when they turned from.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
State owned radio to privately run radio stations.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
You had to be careful.

Speaker 11 (01:07:00):
I mean, you know, the people who.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Were running Russia. If you attacked their opponent in cared
so much. But if you attacked the ruling government, like
in the case when I was there, Yelson was the president,
that would have been that would have been a problem.
And I think I mentioned to you to you guys
once before that while I was there, it was a

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big presidential election and one of our joint venture partners
came in and wanted me to have our newspeople read
you know this and us on the air. And I
was like, oh, absolutely not. But that was my that
was my American upbringing as a broadcaster in Russia, totally

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different rule over there. But you still gotta be careful,
probably with Putin in that now, oh you can't just
you can't just do that with Putin. There was a
television station and to the or in our case NTV
uh and was running of show where they had a
puppet that looked like Putin and one of those Trump

(01:08:08):
moves where or you know, one of those moves that
that happened, that's happening here now where they pulled the
show off the air winning and took over the station.
People couldn't go into work. I mean, you know, we're.

Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
Seeing a lot of that here now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
The only thing is is the difference is that our
resolve for our rights, freedom of speech, freedom, freedom of
the press are so embedded in this country. It's very
difficult to just wipe that off the table.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Yeah, and hold the thought right there twenty six out
the top of the ill. I want to go back
to winning because we talked about and the folks who
look like us Wayne who got booted from MSNBC, and
there was no outrage, not even from our community. But
you keep messing joy read But Joe wasn't the only one.
He had Miller Miller, Melissa Harry Parry, she was one
of the first ones. They Jennison, then you had Jonathan Caper's,

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they had Tiffany Cross. So there's a lot of folks,
but our people didn't even say anything. Is this the
point now that we need our own broadcasting outlets so
of what we could need to discuss with our community
can be heard. Do we still have to rely on them?
Should or should we go the route of Roland Martin
and use the internet or do we need a broadcast
outlet or a cable outlet for blacks? I know there

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are some out there who do news, who do provide
information once are out there, it's all about entertainment and
as regimentioned, it's all about the money.

Speaker 15 (01:09:34):
Yeah, that's gree I.

Speaker 14 (01:09:35):
Mean, the thing is I Reggie was so salient about
that point. The little bit that Jimmy Kimmel came out with,
you know, regarding the messaging from ABC management, and I
took it as a joke, but you know, Reggie with
his background, clearly could decipher really what that was all about.

(01:09:57):
When you stop and think about it, against it goes
back to the almighty dollar. And there are quite a
few people in our community who have more than five cents.
Have Oprah Winfrey, we have Michael Jordan, we have the
you know, I could go down a list of people
who probably could fund something, but whether or not the
FCC will allow.

Speaker 15 (01:10:16):
That to happen.

Speaker 14 (01:10:18):
You know, even when we had a black owned and
operated radio station here in New York, they were always
going through problems. We couldn't get the financial support to
keep it going. There were people listening. You know, you
couldn't even sell Ivory soap at one time because they
felt that people on Madison Avenue and there were protests

(01:10:39):
runches about that if you're to go and do some
research on some of the things that we couldn't get
sold on WLIB. Back then, they felt that black people
didn't wash, you know, so again, when you fast forward
to what's going on today. I mean, the only good
thing about social media there's no regulation. I mean I

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also think that's bad thing too. You know, there's a
part of me that feels, how do you know what
you're hearing is factual? You know? And and we have
a lot of voices out there, you know, call you
and I are the same age. You know, we've broke
into the business around the same time. Maybe I was
like two minutes before you. But the bottom line is

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that we've seen the change, and we've witnessed the decline.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
And and the thing is and hold though, right there, Wayne,
Hold I thought right there, because we see because we've
been in this business for quite some time, as you mentioned.
But what about the young people?

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
This is all they know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
How I'm not talking about those who were born yesterday,
maybe those are born twenty thirty years ago. This is
all they know. They don't know about Walter Concord. They
don't know about all the other the laws of the
FCC or the rules I should say, have the SEC
had for for you know, opposing views. They don't know
all about that. This is this is this is their
reality that they're dealing with today.

Speaker 14 (01:11:57):
What are you saying that we'll be right? And thing is,
I don't know if we could, you know, go back.
I think, you know, the genies out the bottle. Everything
has changed and we have to somehow, you know, educate
while at the same time be very diplomatic about the
things that we we put out there to present. I

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have problems today with some of these young guys. I'm
not gonna call any names, but there are people who
look like us, and it certainly don't espouse the same
beliefs that we did back then to at least keep
the messaging consistent, you know. And and and the deal
is is that our community particularly cannot afford to be

(01:12:42):
driven by misinformation my opinion. And the thing is because
not everybody's going to take the time to do the research,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
And twenty nine away from the top. And I'm going
back to reggiecause Reggie talks about the money and I
like that because it's all about the money. Yes, he
is the money because because in our business family, ratings
equals revenue. If there's no ratings, you can't sell. And Reggie,
I got to ask you this question. Part of the
problem is they say that there's no support that we

(01:13:12):
don't get ratings where it's black news black because remember
the other I think that had a channel called the
Black News Channel, it went on no no support a
lot of If you look at some of the black
talk stations, they regulated to mostly AM stations and there's
still not a lot of support. And at least are businesses.
It's the radio industry is a business. You got to

(01:13:33):
make money to stay on the air. But they we're
lacking community support. And since you're the money guy, how
do we turn that around? How do we get our
audience or our listeners to understand that if you don't
support even this particular program, it's not going to be here.
If you don't support just like any other you know, uh,
commercial radio station, if it's not going to be if

(01:13:53):
it's not supported by dollars, if you don't advertise or
or when people advertise, you go and support their business,
it's not going to be there. Break that down for us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Have you ever heard the expression, I know you have
someone who will bite bite off their nose to spike
their face. There are white advertisers who will who will
purchase airtime on a station that has huge numbers. That's

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what everybody wants that want to be on the stations,
whether it's television or radio, that has the big numbers
and the big audience. However, there are advertisers, and most
of the advertisers in this country are caccasional white owned businesses.

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If it means reaching black people, there are businesses who
will pass regardless of how big the numbers are. And
that's because the mindset is so deeply embedded in the
United States culture and the American culture that there are

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people who will go out of their way to pass
on doing business with black people regardless of how big
the numbers are. And a lot of times those black
people are able to purchase their product. You know, there's

(01:15:34):
a lot of affluent black folks in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
And what this.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Administration has done is decided, you know what, we don't
like the fact that we have to acknowledge your contributions,
so we're going to wipe you off of the Internet.
We want any references to slavery out of the Smithsonian

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and out of the Museum for African American Culture, and
we don't want any reference to black folks in our military.
This is so unrecognizable in this country. Even the biggest
racists know that that that the African American community has

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and and the the culture of African Americans in this
country have made a big.

Speaker 11 (01:16:26):
Listen, there's a whole reason why. For the whole reason
for slavery. It was that black people could go out
in the fields and work and bring in that harvest
and pick cotton and pick watermelons and pick.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Fruit, so that the dominant culture, if you will, could.

Speaker 13 (01:16:47):
Make the money.

Speaker 11 (01:16:48):
And because there are a lot of times their bodies
couldn't couldn't deal with it. And that was and and
a lot of folks.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Don't remember or don't understand that the whole reason why
that the the war between the North and the South,
the Civil War was about slavery period paragraph about how
we gonna make money off of black folks and the
fact that you're trying to stop us from making money

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off of black people. However, when black people got a
little bit of coin and got a little bit of
money and able to do banking white businesses, didn't you
count the number of banks on black stations around the country.
That first thing that not that many black stations left
around the country, not like it was maybe twenty or

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thirty years ago. But the other deal is is that
there are very few banks that target black folks. There
are very few investment companies that target black folks. If
you watch television and watch television commercials, you'll see that
an investment company might use a black person who's sit

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in the seat making suggestions for the investments. Very rarely
will you see a black person sitting on the side
of the consumer card dealers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yeah. Hold, I thought right there, Reggie. I like to
finish that when they come back, because I think this
is important because the many of ourlisis you know, they
listen to the radio for the content, people like Reggie
and Wayne on myself, the people in the media, we
listen for the commercials really because those are people who
are advertising. Those are people who are supporting the program.
Without commercials, we're not going to be here. But you know,
for most of you who listen to us listen for
the content. But we go, oh, they're advertising on there.

(01:18:35):
Oh they're oh, they're spending money. That's what we listen to.
That's what the media people, this is what the people
here radio won't listen to. And then that's what I
try to get advertisers to do. And we need you
to support them when they're here too on the radio.
Twenty three minutes away from the top of that, we
got to check the news, weather and sports in our
local cities. And when we come back, we'll take your
calls for Reggie and Wayne right here at eight hundred

(01:18:55):
and four or five zero seventy six, eighty seven seventy
six next and Grand Rising Found. I mean, thanks for
starting your Thursday with us. We have a two media
analyst with us out of New York City, Reggie Thomas
Wayne Gillen. Before we go back to them, let me
just remind you. Coming up later this morning, we're gonna
speak with critical thinking expert and reparations advocate. That'll be
one doctor David Horn. And also tomorrow join us for

(01:19:15):
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I know for some folks it's a sort of shop talk.
For us who in the business for a while. And
let me go back to Reggie though, Reggie, at one
time we had black agencies. Their jobs was to place
advertising on black radio and black TV. We've lost a
lot of those agency. First, there are there any left?
And the second question, it's not just advertising agencies to

(01:19:58):
our advertising agents are disappearing, the record companies too. We
had black record labels, black record companies, they have budgets
for black radio. Now that they're all clumped into the
general market, the game has changed, as Wayne mentioned. So
tell us about the black agent advertising agencies. Are there
any left?

Speaker 11 (01:20:17):
There are some left.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
There's one in particular who I've had the opportunity to
work with and with the NAACP is Carol Williams, Carol H. Williams,
who's based out of Oakland and Chicago, and she's in
a couple of other cities. Let me tell you how
that works. There are some black agencies who would get

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the general account from a client. Very rarely would a
black agency be the agency of record for Disney. What
Disney would do and the and the general ad agency

(01:21:05):
of record. They would give pieces of advertising of concern
or advertising uh uh markets to Hispanic ad agencies, to
black ad agencies to target that consumer. So you would

(01:21:28):
have a major ad agency of record, and then they
would create contracts with smaller agencies like Carol H. Williams,
the Mingo agency that was in Chicago. Now there's a
lot of media buying services. They're not full service agencies.
They don't do the creative, but what they'll do is

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the buying. They'll do the buying for a Disney, they'll
do the buying for car dealerships on on black radio
and those of which which are left. We were talking
about the money, you know, when it was beneficial for
some car dealerships to advertise to black consumers on black radio,

(01:22:13):
when they could figure out a way to make more
money off of them than they did the general market.
What a lot of black people didn't understand is that
car dealerships wouldn't offer the same type of credit opportunities
to black folks, regardless of the fact you could have

(01:22:36):
an eight hundred score. If you did not understand when
you went into a car dealership that the entest rate
was too high. A lot of times people would go
into the dealership or say that. The dealers say, well,
what are you trying to accomplish? Or I want to
make sure that my payment don't go over three hundred
dollars a month, So they need to finagel numbers make

(01:23:00):
sure that it don't go over three hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 15 (01:23:03):
But they may keep you in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
For seventy two months rather than forty eight months when
they could have just done that, and they and they
end up raking more money out of you over a
longer period of time because all you said was you're
trying to meet it for three hundred dollars a month.
You didn't want to go over that. They figure out
the way. Same thing with mortgage companies. They charge black

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people more points.

Speaker 13 (01:23:29):
In a lot of cases.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
More points is a one point is one percent of
the amount of the loan of the home. So if
you got a two hundred thousand dollars home, a point
is two thousand dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:23:42):
Well, they may come in and charge.

Speaker 11 (01:23:43):
You four points right right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
I mean, I'm gonna starve at it because we've raising
the clock, or he's got some folks want to talk
to you, and I want to go back to Wayne again.
Let's go back to the actual boots on the ground
reporting when and we talked about this earlier, the Pentagon
Now reporters who covering the Pentagon Wayne, they say they
have to get permission at before they before they report,
before they deliver their report to their stations or to

(01:24:06):
the public, or to their newspapers or whatever meet out
that they're working for. I want to get your thoughts
on that. Did you ever think of the time to
come that you've got to cover a story and that
you've got to get the person's perspective before you can
release the story.

Speaker 14 (01:24:19):
That's not even reporting man, you know. I mean when
I heard that the other day, I couldn't believe what
I was listening to. But this is part of that
agenda in Project twenty twenty five. I got a call
yesterday from a buddy of mine that works for public
broadcasting in New Jersey. Pink slits have gone out. This

(01:24:42):
man has cut the budget that there will no longer
be any public broadcasting in a place like the state
of New Jersey, which is right next to New York.
A lot of their news is our news here in
the city. It's just unfortunate. And if we don't push
back and UH and defeat to this beautiful bill that

(01:25:04):
he thinks UH is going to work in the interest
of saving this country. You know, I don't know what
we want to say. I mean right now he does
wouldn't even meet with members of the Democratic Party regarding
the budget. You know, I don't know. If he thinks
he's going to go down to the wire then all
of a sudden, you know, we're grobbling at his feet

(01:25:26):
and then say oh, yes, massive, Well well right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I thought right there, Wayne, in that incidence, for example,
if it's not reported just like how you said it is,
and the other folks are afraid who are in this
business that we're in, and they want to report it,
they don't want to upset the administration, and they twist
whatever he says just to please Donald Trump, because remember
he threatened, he's threatening to pull the licenses of some

(01:25:51):
of these meter outlets if they if they report things
that he doesn't like. It doesn't think that's more endearing
to him. How do you think the rest of the
how do you think the rest of the She's going
to get the message, though, if the message is so homoginized,
it's almost like you're just READI private timing on this.
You get something from the state and you're just a
state organization, state organ like Fox News is. And I'm

(01:26:13):
afraid of saying that that's what they do. Whatever the
administration wants to say, they go to them and say it,
and nobody and there's a sort of fear here for
other reporters to even say it will challenge and ask
a question. We had the White House correspondent here from
American Urban Radio Networks on with US, Ebony mc marris,

(01:26:33):
and Trump called her up noxious because she was trying
to ask him a question. So I want to get
your thoughts on all of that.

Speaker 14 (01:26:39):
I just think it's despicable that we've come to this. Really,
I can't think of another word. I mean, you know,
behind the funding cuts, the fact that he is like
basically putting his foot on our next with regards to
what we say, how we say it. And at the
end of the day, you know, it's only natural that

(01:27:00):
people think of their livelihood, you know, how I'm going
to make my next rent payment or feed my family,
you know, I mean a lot everything falls into place
with that. And here's somebody did just no more than
two or three months ago, years ago, as I decided,
at the beginning of the program, he was espousing not

(01:27:20):
freedom of speech, you know. And now he's done a
complete one hundred and eighty degree turn. And anyone who's
in lockstep with what he feels America should look like
if they don't follow, I mean, and I even see
pushback in his own party that right now, that that

(01:27:41):
may be a symbol of things to change. And the
only thing I can think of is that social media
they're no guardrails. You're able to say pretty much anything
you want to say and get away with it. But
it's the funding that's the problem. Who will have the big,
deep pockets to support that kind of programming, you know?

(01:28:03):
And I often wonder, you know, so many people that
I've seen on podcasts they may have a platform from
where they work from, but somehow it's got to generate
some interests. You can't be talent and salesperson at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
You know that, you know, yeah, try that too, But
hold up thought right there, fellas money, Mike's joining us
at seven away from the top day He's calling from
Baltimore's online One Grand Rising money Man. I gave a
question for rain Or Reggie.

Speaker 9 (01:28:34):
Yeah, good morning, call Gamore, Wayne, good morning Wreck. I
just want good morning. I just want to say this.
In the worlds of President Obama, elections have consequences. So
let me let me get to my point. Why don't
we get the churches in every major city to organize,

(01:28:55):
to come together and put all of their collections into
one bank. Negotiate so that all of the churches when
they want to do a sanctuary or a convention hall,
or or whatever their improvements they want to do to
their church, they go to that bank and they get
the terms and their regard in their favor. Then they

(01:29:18):
get their congregation to not only with the ties and offers,
but with their personal savings to invest in that bank,
and then they could use that leverage for advertising with
that bank and with anybody else. Because look, you just
said it, Reggie, Oh Wayne, it's about funding, it's about money.
So now we're in a quagmile, and we've been in

(01:29:40):
this quagmile for the last sixty years, and we just
don't seem to understand as a people that it takes
money in economics, and capital. This is a tapaialistic society
and we don't seem to understand that yet we keep
talking about how are we going to change things?

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Well, corruption, right, they might.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
I want to give Reggie a chance to respond, because
we come up on a break. It's five minutes away
from the top they are. We get to you of
your question, Reggie, your response.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Thanks, that's not a half bad idea. The problem is
is that everybody has different issues. Now what I do
agree with it may make sense to take a portion
you said in the case of churches, Well you could
also go into businesses and you know, with people's personal

(01:30:30):
assets and show that if you put all that money
in one or just a couple of places, the actual
value of the black consumer in this country. So that's
not a bad idea. It's just that there's some other

(01:30:51):
things that has to be asked out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
All right, Thanks Reggie, and thank you Mike for that question.
Now let me go back to Wayne family just joined us.
We've got two media analysts and discussing the start off
to talk about Jimmy Kimmel issue. And it's all coming
together because this is what it is, bottom line, is
about money. It's a reaction when they took Kimmel off,
and then you know, my question was Melissa Harris Perry
didn't get that reaction. Maybe maybe sare show wasn't that

(01:31:16):
as profitable as Kimmel.

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Joy Read also didn't get that. Tiffany Cross didn't get that.
And this is what the black black community don't understand
this part of the business. That's why we have Reggie
here to tell us it's all about money. We just
saw they pushed these sisters out and you can or
you know you can, Uh Don Lemon can throw him
in there as well. Seems either pushing our folks out
out of their business, but they rallied around Jimmy Kimmel.

(01:31:42):
There was no such a cavalry coming for our people
that got kicked out of MSNBC. Bottom line is, though,
let me ask both of you these I want to
get both of you see it time for us to
have our own entities, and if so, how do we
get our people to support them because we do have some,
but we're not getting the support. I'll tell you what
all your response because I'm look at the clocket. We've

(01:32:03):
got to check the trafficing weather out different cities. When
we come back at least both of you respond to
that family YouTube can join our conversation with our media
express rain Wayne Gilmot and Reggie Thomas reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and ticket calls after the traffic and
weather update that's next and round rising and family. Thanks
for rolling with us on this Thursday morning. We have
two media analysts with us out of New York City,
Reggie Thomas, Wayne Gilman was just off talking about the

(01:32:25):
Jimmy Kimmel issue and all this is related. And Reggie
does he works on the money side. Wayne works on
the reporting side of the business, and this is what
we're talking about this morning. And the question that I
posted him before we left for the traffic and weather
update was a fact that this is all about how
do we get our people, because you know, to support
when they put them on the air, these shows, these

(01:32:46):
black shows or these black hosts on there when they're
hosting their shows, because the first thing they're throwing your face.
You have no listeners, you have no viewers, nobody's watching you.
Your ratings are down, So how do we turn that around?
And if you guys can shown up on the response.
I appreciate it because doctor Horne on deck Reggie, first,
would you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
One of the first things that you got to understand
in the United States, you hear people talking about owning
broadcast licenses. No such thing. You are leasing a broadcast
license from the US government, and they could pull you
off the air for any reason, especially what we're seeing
right now, like it's nobody's business. The other thing is

(01:33:25):
is that we talked about owning our own Internet, but
you could get cut off from that too. Look at
countries like China where they had banned Google. Look at
what we were doing here. They want to ban TikTok.
Here the reason why TikTok is remaining because there's somebody

(01:33:49):
very influential, influential who's getting ready to make money. And
you know who that is, Larry Ellison, who just bought
Paramount and CBS. They're going to be out of the
owners of TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
So the thing is right there. Do you think he's
got too much too much control over the media message?
Not only he owns the CNN at all the Paramount stations,
So so we have one person to have controls of
those voices.

Speaker 14 (01:34:21):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
All right, Wait, yeah, because we're raising the client, maybe
get pulled wan wanning in your thoughts, I happen to agree.

Speaker 14 (01:34:29):
I mean, the thing is, it's like a situation of
diminishing returns. There was a time you and I go
work for a company and if they weren't happy with
what product we were putting out, we could just walk
down the street to a competitor and find a job.
That day is gone. You know. Half the time, the
same company that that you thought that you could turn

(01:34:51):
around and go work for is owned by the same outfit.

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:34:56):
Just to make it as simplistic as possible, U, the
dealer is, you know, I'm really at a loss unless
we go back to the temple of what the FCC
started doing it in the beginning, where there was a
minimum amount of control that you had in terms of ownership.

(01:35:18):
You know that I forgot exactly how Reggie, you probably
know this better than I do. But there was a
time when you couldn't own but so many properties within
a given market, you know, seven And if it doesn't
come back to that where at least there's a level
playing field and everyone has an opportunity, we could just
kiss that goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Right, And that was seven TV stations, seven radio stations,
seven AM, seven total radio station in a market. But
now we've got people who own up, you know, and
this is this comes down what Reggie talks about. It's
all about the money. We're back to where it's a
queer wan. Listen, fellas, I gotta let you guys go,
because we're just flat out of but interesting conversation because

(01:36:02):
most of the folks that they they don't hear this,
you know, shop talk because people don't like people in
our business. They don't like to talk about it, especially
on their own airways. They like to talk about it
when they go outside or you know, because they want
to step on anybody's toes they want, you know. But
I think the listener needs to know as ways. As
a journalist, you know, that's where we reside. I think
everybody needs to know all the information. That's how you

(01:36:23):
can make informed decisions. But again, I thank both of
you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 14 (01:36:29):
Thank you always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
All right, family, that's Reggie Tomas, Wayne Gimlis, a media analysts.
Those were two brothers out of New York City. Let's
move on now it's six after the top there bringing
doctor David Horn. Doctor Horn is a critical thinking expert,
also a reparations advocate, Doctor Horn, Grand Rising, welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 13 (01:36:47):
Good mind called and good money to your great listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Yes, sir, we're doing well. Dr Horn. You know before
that Kevin and myself are having this conversation, and he
brought it about the book that Kamala Harris's book, and
she burned a lot of bridges in that book, and
and just about everybody in the Democratic Party. She teed
off on you know something, somethings in life, a better left,

(01:37:13):
not not you know, expressed in the public or the
question is why, why why are you doing it now?
Why didn't you speak up then at that point? But
now she's speaking on and just about everybody, She's ragging
on everybody in that book. Is this how do you
see this? Is this a parting shot? Is this the
end of the line for her? Is this a way
of saying, I'm through with politics, I'm not going to
need you guys anymore, I'm done. How do you see

(01:37:35):
the book?

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
How do you see it?

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
She is.

Speaker 13 (01:37:41):
You have to you have to answer the question, how
did I lose. How did I, oh fool myself? How
that fool everybody else and actually lose a race that
I should have worn? And answering that question, she cannot

(01:38:04):
just blame herself just to blame a bunch of other people. Uh,
it made it made sense. But now she she is
not out of politics at all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
But do you think she's do you think she's hurt
the Democratic Party? But what she said, they're already divided.
And here she comes going off from Biden, goes on
boot attach. Uh, she talks about the governor of Pennsylvania,
SHAPERI I'm just I'm just waiting to hear people who
I have read the book. So I only and maybe
that's all the reporting or the negative aspects of the book.

(01:38:37):
But if somebody's read the book and she's given somebody
in the Democratic Party a thumbs up, love to hear it.
But that's not what we we're not that's not what
we're hearing from the reviews, your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (01:38:47):
No, she she was trying to find a logical way
to explain what happened. The logical way to understand what
happened is the other side knew how to cheat the
other side knew the population that they were dealing with better.

(01:39:09):
She barely lost.

Speaker 5 (01:39:11):
She didn't.

Speaker 13 (01:39:12):
There was no big mandate like Trump kept lying about.
You know, she lost by one point one point three percent.
She barely lost, but they and he.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
Pushed back and I had to enjoy it. But he
pushed back on that and said, she's somehow close to that.
She's crazy, she's nuts or something. He says.

Speaker 7 (01:39:32):
You know, when you heard what.

Speaker 13 (01:39:34):
He would, he would do that, he would he He
who is not logical at all, will say it almost anything.
But the in trying to explain what you don't really
want to believe, you sometimes reached out for anything. And

(01:39:54):
plus she had to fill up the pages for a book.
Writing a book is not easy. You uh, sometimes brought
out of stuff to say and you kind of make
it up. She you know, let me give you an example.
I mean, she explained Buddhajege. That made sense. This country

(01:40:18):
was not yet ready to both vote for a black
woman as president and a homosexual man who was living
with another man. They were not yet ready to do that,
you know, and that was not enough logic out there

(01:40:39):
to get people to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Right there? Hold up, all right there, Doc but even
though she said that now she's upset the gay community's
going forward. Do you think she's going to get any
gay support?

Speaker 13 (01:40:52):
But she told the truth. If people are not ready
to hear the truth, don't read the book. There are
a lot of people who are upset. People get upset
when you're telling the truth. Sometimes there she said, she
did not need another uh uh weight around her ankles.

(01:41:20):
She needed something that would push her forward. Buddhaj Edge
is a great politician. He is great at organizing. She
would have been he would have been great in her
uh forward moving campaign. But again, a lot of white
males are not going to vote for a gay man

(01:41:43):
even though he was. He is a veteran, he has
been in warfare. We still don't want to.

Speaker 16 (01:41:54):
Believe.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Yeah, let me interrupt you again because it goes to
my point that has she written off politics, because if
she goes back into the race, that, like I said,
the gay community is upset just because and you're right,
she had every right to say, and it's and basically
true what she said, but she ticked off the gay community.
If she decides to run again, she's not going to
get their support. So that's why I said the opening

(01:42:17):
is she written off politics now but go ahead.

Speaker 13 (01:42:23):
That she won't get the gay support.

Speaker 12 (01:42:24):
I don't.

Speaker 14 (01:42:25):
I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:42:25):
I don't know whether I die thatt. And depending on
how she tries to re enter politics, if she tries
to run for president again, first, that may be a problem.
I expected her to run for governor in California, which
would have been a lot easier uh a path forward

(01:42:48):
for her. She chose not to do that. A lot
of gayets in California that would have been a good tiest. No,
I don't think. I don't think. I don't think she
the big gay community. I think what she did was
y'all got to deal with. Here is an ounce of

(01:43:08):
scoop that I learned in my campaign. She thought she
was gonna win. A lot of us thought she was
gonna win. We about we about the.

Speaker 14 (01:43:21):
The uh.

Speaker 13 (01:43:23):
The whole issue of people are trying to uh ban
a woman's right to uh to abortion. We thought that
was going to be uh the strongest issue, and it wasn't.
It ended up not being the strongest issue. I thought

(01:43:46):
the book was honest, but I also understood sometimes you
just you just have to fill pages. You have to
say something. You got to come up with five hundred pages, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Hold I thort right there? Thirteen half the top their
family just checking in. I guess is doctor David Horn.
Doctor Horne is a critical thinking experts also a reparations advocate.
They're also is going to give us some information what's
going on on the continent with the African unit. But
doctor Horn, she she also in the books, she revealed
that there was tensions between her camp and Joe Biden's camp. Absolutely,

(01:44:21):
was that detectable? Or was that? Do you think she
should have sort of left that out? How do you
see that.

Speaker 13 (01:44:30):
If you are going to try to explain a great
catastrophe to yourself and to.

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
The public.

Speaker 13 (01:44:43):
Yeah, she needed to talk about that, and it was
clear that was going to happen. They they there were
a number of people who wanted to, who preferred to
and respected to go to battle along with Joe Biden again,

(01:45:06):
but Joe Biden basically could not go another Mahau. Yeah,
there were a bunch of people who figured they could
tell CaMLA Harris what to do because they had been
lawyal to Joe Biden. You know, they it would have
been the same thing when it was the same thing.

(01:45:27):
When Barack Obama was running for second term, a number
of people tried to talk him out of even running.
You know, we need a stronger candidate, We need somebody else.
You know, we need to put somebody out there who's
a warrior. We're knowing somebody who's been in battle kind

(01:45:49):
of stuff, and you know, you have to take your shots.
Then you have to tell them that this is your logic,
this is the way you see how to get this
battle won. Yeah, I didn't know the part about having
to fight within her own camp about the right way

(01:46:09):
to go. That was not surprising at all. You expected that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Listen, we'll come up on the break. Let me ask
you this question before we hit the break, doctor Horn,
do you think she kind of lost folks when when
the question was posed to her, what did she had
done differently had she been president and our vice president?
And what she had done the same thing that Biden
has done, and people's and they looked at what was
going on in Gaza and they said, oh, she's she's

(01:46:35):
she'd do the same thing that the bidens because part
of the people who are opposing her what was going
on in Gaza, they saw the genocide that was taking place,
and they thought she'd have a different opinion, but she
says she'd do that, she wouldn't do anything different. And
I'm looking at the clock. We gotta take the breaks.
But I'll let you respond to that. And also Mark
in Houston once you speak to you as well. Family,
YouTube can join our conversation with our guest is doctor
David Horn. As I mentioned, he's a critical thinking expert.

(01:46:56):
He taught out of the college level and is also
a reparations advocate. You can reach us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take a phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks
for starting your Thursday with us. At twenty minutes off
the top there with doctor David Horn, we're discussing right
now Kamala Harris's book One on Seven Days. That's the
title of the book, of course, that's the one of
these days when she was nominated and to the election day,

(01:47:19):
of course, and she's you know, dropping nuggets about what
happened during those one on her and seven days. But
his book is getting some getting raked over. The calls
by not by the way Putterians, by the Democrats, she's
been heckled. Some of the Democrats have saved the book
is the seething and they say it's embarrassing and the
protesters especially because what happened. You know, they're still holding

(01:47:40):
it about what happened in Gaza over her. Heead what happened,
But doctor Horn. The question again is when she had
the opportunity to differentiate herself from from the Biden administration
she failed to do that? Was that fatal for her campaign?
How do you see it?

Speaker 13 (01:47:58):
I don't know about it being faid. It was definitely
a problem. When you are trying to lay out a
map forward, you try, you try to identify every obstacle
you're going to run into and try to have a

(01:48:18):
way to respond to it. Uh, that was one of
the issues she she had to face, but she could
not handle the You know, the issue of are you
black enough? Wasn't It wasn't an issue she had to face.

(01:48:41):
You know, where you are you black enough for black folk?
Are you too black for white folks? When you're laying
out a map to reach a destination that you have
never been to before, you're gonna make some mistakes. And

(01:49:04):
what I will say about the book is from the
part most that I read, she identified the mistakes that
were made and trying to get to where she was
trying to get to. And I think that's important. It's
a lesson you can learn. People getting their feelings hurt

(01:49:26):
because she said something bad about them or they took
it the wrong way is irrelevant if you're trying to
map out what went wrong, what went right? If I
try this again, how can I do this better? I

(01:49:49):
think the book is a good beginning for doing that.
If the map you used not take you where you
intended to go, to correct the map so you'll know
better how to get the next time. And that's what
she was trying to do in this book, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Twenty three after the top, as I mentioned, Mark is
reaching out to us from Houston. He wants to join
the discussion. He's online one Grand rising Mark you, I'm
with doctor Horn.

Speaker 10 (01:50:22):
Yeah, Grand rides And how y'all doing this morning? You're
doing all right this morning?

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
A right?

Speaker 13 (01:50:27):
We alive, brother, and we're still moving forward.

Speaker 8 (01:50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:50:31):
Yeah, I just think that fuck mss Harris when she
when she she had no choice but to run whatever
Biden administration wanted, because remember he had stepped aside, and
when he stepped aside, she got out on the campaign
and all that old stuff from up you know what
I'm saying. And so they raised so much money this

(01:50:51):
and that. What her main issue was is that this
is this is this is coming from from African American
black guy and people who don't help when we talked
to each other with her being a prosecutor and attorney,
and then you turn around and say, I'm president, I'm
just not gonna do nothing for black FOLKNA have to
do for for all other people. But we see other

(01:51:14):
people that comes in the administration and do certain things
for certain raceists, but no one never stepped up when
we try to put people in and looks like us,
they never step up to the plate. So at the
end of the day, it didn't it didn't matter, you
see what I'm saying. So if they wanted her to
be president, they should have let Fighten run. I think

(01:51:34):
Biden would have beaten Trump and then he would have
stepped aside then and she would have she would have
became the president.

Speaker 7 (01:51:41):
But it was a plan, that plan that they did.

Speaker 10 (01:51:44):
I just didn't see her a winning. So what do
you think about that?

Speaker 13 (01:51:48):
God? Uh, that he is a very interesting proposition you
that that is another way to achieve the same goal.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Yeah, let me jump me here, phallis, let me jell
me here for a second. And thank you for that question,
Mark and doctor Horn. But you got to recall, well
this the meltdown started after that debate, that that national debate.
You know, some people are wondering if it was that
real or was was was all this part of a
big con game of the Democrats in on this that debate.

(01:52:23):
I think he lost it right there. He lost the credibility,
lost the presidency after that debate because he was being
attacked about his age and he showed up. But your response.

Speaker 13 (01:52:35):
Call, you know, the the telephone, h Off, I did
not hear your question.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Let me repeat it. It was it was it the
debate did she lose? Because Mark was saying that she
would have should have let Biden run, She shouldn't have
jumped in in front of him, let Biden run, and
he thinks that Biden would have won, and then Biden
could have stepped down and let her take over. But
my con that my contention that Biden lost it after

(01:53:06):
the debate with Trump, with his performance of that debate,
was was atrocious. Trump was hammering about his agent and
and it just showed it during that debate. But I'll
let you respond.

Speaker 13 (01:53:19):
If if he were going to step away, if he
were going to uh not be the presidential candidate, he
should have stepped away before that debate. You are correct call,
But that was not the way it went. One thing

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about logic. You got to deal with what is in
front of you, what is uh in existence more than
what should have been in existence. Yeah, it would It
would have been better for Democratic prospects had Biden out

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before that debate.

Speaker 5 (01:54:01):
He didn't.

Speaker 13 (01:54:02):
Now you got to deal with trying to do a
positive campaign right after you have gotten your behindkicked, right
after you your side had looked stupid. How are you
now going to go from looking stupid to being clear, strong,

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and uh and forceful. How are you going to do that?
And so part of the very short campaign was to
get rid of that image that the Democratic Party basically
was was basically not ready for the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
Twenty seven at the top out of Doctor Horn, Lewis
has joined us from Washington, DC's on line one. Once
you join our conversation, Lewis grand Rising, you're around with
doctor Horne Grand.

Speaker 15 (01:54:55):
Rising to both of your brothers. I really appreciate the topic,
you know. Martin Luther King said it all right, thank you.
Martin Luther King said it. Frederick Douglas said it. What's
the sister said, Believe them the first time when they
tell you something. Mariangelis said it, all right. We have

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got to stop falling for the Yoki dope.

Speaker 11 (01:55:20):
We keep falling.

Speaker 15 (01:55:23):
Biden beat Trump the first time, why would he not
beat him the second time? Forget about some speech how
somebody stumbled. Trump has said the worst things. We have
got to stop falling for the Yoki dope. Kamala Harris
is one of the best vice presidents noted on record

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in a hundred years. Why would we think that he
and Biden can't do a good job like they did
the first time with Biden's second run. I just don't
get why we keep falling for these things. I knew
the moment that they fell and listened to Trump. Now
bear in mind, this was a diversion Trump wanted by

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him to step down because he knew he was gonna
lose to him. Okay, but what do we do We
listened to that man who is a thirty four selony
convicted felon. That's not going away. The man is a rapist.
Excuse my words, because a judge said it. A Lewis
didn't say it. A judge said it. The man is

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a misogynistic individual. He is one of the worst people
that we have on this earth, and we're.

Speaker 11 (01:56:37):
Listening to him.

Speaker 13 (01:56:38):
I just don't get it. I don't get it.

Speaker 15 (01:56:40):
We need to stop listening to the MAGA and move forward.

Speaker 13 (01:56:45):
We win Philadelphia. When Philadelphia played football the past weekend,
you know, against a quality opponent, very.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
Quality upon it. They didn't.

Speaker 13 (01:57:03):
Win just because they are a better football team. They
won because they brought a better game to that particular
moment and they're responded to all kinds of difficulties better

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than the other team did.

Speaker 15 (01:57:26):
And you cannot be wrong with that statement, brother, because
they did not let the diversion fool them. They stayed
with the running game.

Speaker 9 (01:57:34):
You were one right.

Speaker 15 (01:57:36):
We moved too much. We don't listen to one another.
When we specifically make statements about a connotation that one
has put forth to manipulate us, we have to stick
with it because the only way we're going to be
believed is to prove ourselves, and we have done it.

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We prove ourselves that we can beat Trump first time,
and we can do it again if Kamala runs again.
As long as we stick with what word, Pamela will win.
She will win because the bottom line is she is
a better person field the females or no female. That's

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one thing that we do have to address. We have
to convince America, and furthermore, we have to convince all
particular municipalities, people of color. Okay, the aging is Hispanics,
the Cubans. We have to convince all of those folks
that we know exactly what we're doing.

Speaker 13 (01:58:37):
And this one and one and one and one, and
once we have and once we have our game plan,
we need to stick to it and not not yet
right And.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
Louis, I thank you for your call. And I agree
with Louis when he says she's probably in the best
vice Frand's qualified. You know, Barack Obama the educational though,
doctor Horne, it is when you speak of their education.

Speaker 13 (01:59:00):
Now, she's immensely better qualified than the person who's in
charge now. And you know in conversations with other people
that I've said, Donald Trump right now is a convicted
fella running your criminal enterprise as a president. But for

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her to be able to re enter politics at that level,
if she decides to run for president again, and I
don't know whether she is or not, but if she is,
it had she has to construct a plan that she

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will stick to all the way through. You can't abandon
your plan once the difficulty gets to be overwhelming. You
got to stick to your damn plan again. That's how
Philadelphia won, That's how good teams win, That's how the
Allies won against Germany.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
And he's on me here the doctor horn. But during
the campaign, there was a different standard for Kamala Harris
than Donald Trump. You know, people want to know what
she what they were asking her about, go back to Gaza?
What you gonna do about? Nobody asked Donald Trump when
he's gonna do to Gaza, you know. But the but
they were asking her all they're asking the question. She
had to prove herself over and over again to our people.

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She had to prove herself. If they weren't asking Donald
Trump the same questions they were asking Kamala Harris, how's
she going to deal with that? And the second time around,
if she does decide to run right right.

Speaker 13 (02:00:37):
The if she chooses to run again and again, I
don't I don't know whether she was or not. And
after you've finished the book, you could not be you
could not be sure whether she was going to try
that again or not if she comes back to the
table to run for that particular office again. And it

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is about having a logical plan coming in the door
that you're gonna you're gonna stick to no matter what.
One of the reasons that Barack Obama won not just
the first time, but the second time. And they had
a lot of arguments. So I which way to go,
what to do? Or do you need to change just
change that? No, you have a damn game plan. You

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come into the arena and you stick to your plan
even if things start going wrong. Stick to your plan.
Don't try to adjust your plan to hit to somebody else's.
Stick to yours. That is how you get through an
enormous kind of problem like she had. H They had

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one hundred a little more than one hundred days to
mount in a national campaign. Yeh, they had already started
thinking about it. They did not have a full a
full blown master plan to follow, and he kept trying
to change the at the last minute. They had to

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had to make too many last second adjustments. I have
a plan. Stick to the damn plan. That's how you
get it done.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Yeah, but let me jump here again, doctor Hornet, twenty
five away from the top of the I'm make sure
that she was held to a different standard than Donald Trump,
especially black people. What are you gonna do for there
were black fellow what's she gonna do for us? But
they never asked Donald Trump, what's he gonna do for
the black community? But they kept asking her, what are
you gonna do for us? She's gonna be president of
all America, which is what she is. How do if

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she does the second time around? How's she gonna deal
with that? Because you're gonna still have some people say
she didn't do anything for us. You know, she ain't.
She says she's not gonna she's gonna help everybody said
black people. But they never asked that question of her opponent.

Speaker 13 (02:02:52):
No, they don't.

Speaker 16 (02:02:53):
They didn't listeners.

Speaker 13 (02:02:55):
And when when we were trying to get out of
out of slavery, when we some of us had the
opportunity to just walk away, you know, uh, either follow
the the stars layout of map that way and follow

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the stars, even though we don't quite know where we're going.
Follow the damn stars once we have laid out that plan.
That's how hard Taubman got out of Maryland a number
of times. She did not have a map that that
uh that somebody had given her. You follow the damn stars.

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That's my plan. I don't care where else coming up.
I'm I'm sticking with this.

Speaker 12 (02:03:45):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (02:03:46):
Canberra Harris started a major journey with a UH thrown
together at the last minute plan and hold, that's all.

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
Right there, I let you finish that thought. On the
other side, we've got to step aside for a few moments,
twenty three minutes away from the top day our family.
I guess he's a critical thinking expert. As I mentioned,
he taught that in college. There's also a reparations advocate.
His name is doctor David Horn. You want to join us,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take you phone
calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with

(02:04:17):
us on this Thursday morning here with doctor David Horn.
Doctor Horn, as I mentioned, it's a critical thinking expert,
and explain that for us before where he leaves us.
Also a reparations of advocaate. We're going to talk about reparations,
also talk about the African Union, and also Jeffrey Epstein.
We're going to discuss all those topics. Right now, we're
discussing Kamala Harris's book What Are Your Thoughts? You can
check in with us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. I wanted to remind you

(02:04:40):
that tomorrow is Friday and give you another chance to
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point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. All right, doctor Horne,

(02:05:00):
I let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (02:05:03):
All I was saying was that if you have the
time or get a chance to lay out a complete
battle plan, choose it follow it to the end. Either
you correctly laid out everything that you are going to
run into, or you won't win. Kamala Harris did not

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have a battle plan completely laid out when she was
suddenly presented with Okay, Biden is not going to run,
can you step in? What she came up with was
something that came very close to winning. She barely lost.

(02:05:53):
If the Trump folk hadnot cheated at the end, she
could have one. What we are talking about is your
plan has to not only deal with everything that you
can bring to the table, everything that you can use

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to move forward. Your plan has to also be ready
to repel all opposition. She ran a great campaign within
the small time frame that she had, she did not
have enough of a plan to repel the negativity from Trump.

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And if she just has to run again, she'll know
how to incorporate that particular condition.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
Hold, I thought right there, I got a tweet question
for you, doctor Horn, the tweeter says Grant Rising, Doctor Horn.
Considering that Kamala last lost by just one against the
Trump do you think the election was stolen by the
computer manipulation performed by the Elon Musk team and the
MAGA efforts to contest hundreds of thousands of voters to
person from the voter rosters in battleground states, and what

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are your thoughts on this.

Speaker 13 (02:07:18):
Part of the reason she got seventy over seventy million
votes but did not get uh the the extra one
million that she needed was that, Yeah, they cheated the
Trump you even say it. No, my people are gonna
take care of it. You know, they're gonna handle it.

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They he admited that on on on in an interview.
What they did was to systematically go to each of
the battleground states and two weeks before the election, they
had Republicans to demand uh changes in the voting registration

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in particular in particular states that we demand, you know,
somebody is trying to vote who is not qualified. We
demand to look at all of your uh, all the
people that you have. Anyway, they came up with tactics
like that that threw uh the voting off. By the

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time that some states were even allowed to use their
complete voting registration, the election was already over. Now they again,
you got to have a plan that deals with all
the strength that you have, all of the assets if
you bring, but you also got to have a plan

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that will deal with the opposition that would be thrown
at you. B if if there it was a failure
in in uh in Camerra, Harrison's plan, Uh, it would
have been. They were not ready to handle the level

(02:09:06):
and the rapacity of the opposition's opposition. They threw more things,
more thumbtacks in the street, more.

Speaker 14 (02:09:22):
Oil in the in the on the road.

Speaker 13 (02:09:26):
The Trump people through everything they could to make sure
that the Harris campaign stumbled. You got to have a
plan to win, and you got to have a plan
to defend. They had a better plan to win than
they had to defend. She got close, she could not

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get over the hurdle because they were not ready for
the extent of the opposition. So if you're asking, if
you're asking whether if she ran again, she could actually
win this time, Yeah, I think she could. I think

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they would have enough time to uh, to to build
the kind of plan that she needed. A thrill of
death for your type of plan. You know, Uh, we
are going to beat everybody. Nobody can stop the tush push,
Nobody can stop the assets that we bring to the table.
And uh, that's what you need to have. You have

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a plan to deal with what you have and a
plan to deal with what they're going to throw at you.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
All right, Hold up, though, right there. Doctor Horn. Lightning
is joined us from Alabama is online. One Brother Lightning,
Grand rising your arm with doctor.

Speaker 17 (02:10:45):
Horn, Grand Rising, mister Nelson, and grand rising for your guest.

Speaker 5 (02:10:52):
Good morning, my brother, listen, good morning, good morning. I
hope you gentlemen, doing.

Speaker 14 (02:10:56):
Well and moving forward.

Speaker 5 (02:11:03):
Oh that's a good thing. Anytime above ground is a
good thing.

Speaker 14 (02:11:06):
There you go.

Speaker 17 (02:11:10):
In my opinion, I agree with the brother they caall earlier.
If Joe Biden has stayed in I believe he would
have beaten Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (02:11:21):
And the other thing.

Speaker 17 (02:11:22):
I don't care how my opinion, I don't care how
good of campaign Kamela has would have run, how much
times she would have had to run. This country is
not ready to accept a woman as president of the
United States. They went except Hiary, They're definitely not going
to accept a woman of color.

Speaker 5 (02:11:43):
That's my opinion, okay.

Speaker 13 (02:11:47):
And what we can say is so far, you're right,
because they have not yet done so you are right
looking at the terrain that has already been crossed. A

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carefully laid out plan with the people in it that
you need can be successful with a black woman or
with a white woman. But it's the plan again, here
is the example, I want everybody to think about they

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might some of y'all might even want to check back
on the computer. When the Allies were faced with an
overwhelming opposition the German Army, including the German Air Force,
they were gigantic, They were killing Europe. They were basically

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much better than any other force out there. For the
Allies to be able to come up with a plan
to move forward and to go into Europe and to
beat the biggest, baddest, best military known to mankind at

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the time. In order for the Allies to come up
with a plan like that, they had to get together
and Lord the temperature in the room, all the all
damned egos about everybody thinks they know how to get
this one. If you cannot work with a team to
get this done, stay outside. We have to plan for

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every eventuality. We have to lay out what we know
is going to happen, what we think is going to happen.
We got to have and we had to respond to
every damn thing. We came up with an Allied plan.
The executed the damn Allied plan and German lust. They
win the German Germany and beat Germany. That's what you're

(02:14:04):
going to have to have for a camera with a
Harris or another candidate like her to win.

Speaker 1 (02:14:13):
Let me jump in here at doctor Horn because you know,
if you're in a couple of calls are saying that
if she runs, she can win. But what you guys
are forgetting that since the election, the Republicans of Jerry
Mander these states, they've also put in a whole bunch
of right and they put in also put in you know,
scourge clean some of the voter polls, the registration polls.

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They've enacted laws, all these these things to stop people
from voting. You can't certainly you can't give free water.
They've they've closed some voting in Houston. Are the places were,
especially in the black communities, the places where people can
go to the polls. They make it harder, let's put
it that way for people to vote. So do you
still think you still think because that's part of their plan.

(02:14:56):
So you still think she could win even with all.

Speaker 13 (02:14:58):
Those as long as she understands and if not her,
then another another black woman, another woman. The river that
we were trying to cross in two thousand and five,

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two thousand and six, the river we were trying to cross,
then if not the same river that we would have
to cross the next time. You never cross the same
river twice. You got to have a plan that deals
with what you're facing. You got to deal with who's

(02:15:43):
my opposition right now, not who's in my opposition last week. Again,
just watching control military tactics, watching the NFL every weekend.
The teams that are still trying to play the game.
They lost last week, They're gonna lose again this week.

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It is a different battleground. But again, logical planning, knowing
who you're facing, what you're facing, the time that you
can face what you have to do to overcome and
keep moving. Logical planning is what has to be done,
and it can be done now.

Speaker 14 (02:16:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:16:26):
Is it being done? Though? Are the Democrats? Because right
now they're still floundering. They're still as bad as the
Republicans are performing. The Democrats are doing worse.

Speaker 13 (02:16:35):
Well, I won't say they're doing worse, but they are
definitely stuck in mud.

Speaker 14 (02:16:41):
One of the.

Speaker 13 (02:16:43):
Best examples of thinking outside the box, thinking that has
to overcome the issues now, not the issues last week
or last year, is garn Newsom's idea about Okay, Texas,

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You're going to try to uh gain the system. You're
gonna try to win even before the contest had begun. Fine,
you're gonna do it your way. We're gonna block you.
We are going to create a wave of states that

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set up we can make sure that the Republicans do
not lock out everybody else. What what the Republicans are
trying to do now used to make sure we don't
have to have an election because we're gonna be We're
gonna we rig the game, so we're gonna be in
charge anyway, no matter what y'all come up with, no

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matter how much money, doesn't matter. We are gonna rig
the game so we always win. That's what losers do.
You know, they want to make sure they win, so
they uh shoot somebody that, they try to break somebody's legs,
They try to have the police come and arrest any opponents.
They try to rig the game. The Trump people are

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good about doing that. Gavin Newsom's idea about taking what
is already in law in California, the Voter Registration Commissions
that they out each territory that will be up for
voting in different neighborhoods, so that you will have a

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number of Republicans leading areas and a number of Democrats
leananing areas. Find if Texas is going to try to
rig the game and start the process for Republicans so
other states to do the same thing that Texas did.
California has come up with the counter move. They California

(02:18:55):
is not talking about getting rid of the redistricting the
voting Commission that they've already put into law. They're not
talking about getting.

Speaker 16 (02:19:07):
Rid of that.

Speaker 13 (02:19:07):
They're talking about here is a chance for people to
vote to postpone what you already have postponed it for
the next election cycle, and then we bring it back
at the during the census year. In other words, we
can add more areas for Democrats to win, just out

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y'all did in Texas. We can do the same thing,
just do it legally, and other states can do the
same thing. We have to make sure that the Republicans
do not rig the game so that they always win,
because they're going to try to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:19:48):
All right, hold that thought right there, we go to
step aside for a few months. Three minutes away from
the top of the rainy day in the DMV, I
guess there's doctor David Horne. All issue with that, doctor Horney,
because somebody mentioned about the tampion with the computers. What
happens if Gavin Newsen does that and say the California
is like yourself, go to vote and lose because somebody
tampered with the computers. Hold that thought right there. We've

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got a bunch of folks from across the country you
want to speak with you, so we'll talk to them
when we get back. Family Youtubo can join our conversation
with doctor Horn. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take a phone calls next and grand Rising, family, and
thanks for staying with us on this Thursday morning. Our
guest is doctor David Horn. Doctor David Horn is a
critical thinking experty tory at the college level. There's also

(02:20:32):
reparations advocate and also a pan Africanist. Hopefully we get
touched on some of those subjects as well. Right now,
we're discussing Kamala Harris's book and one hundred and seven
Days as the time of the book, and she's really
discussing what happened during that time, and she's burned a
lot of bridges there and some people are saying that
if she runs again, she can win, and all we
talked about all the changes that the jerry mannering, the

(02:20:54):
voter suppression moves that the Republicans have made, and some
people mentioned that this will maybe not be an other elections.
So what are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six Bobs in Buffalo's Online
to Bob your question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 12 (02:21:09):
Yes, sir, blessed love family. My question is, in this
so called good morney browery, good morning, sir, good day,
in this so called participatory democracy, what about the idea
of making it getting rid of all the barriers that
prevent participation, so that there is automatic royal registration in

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as soon as return of age, that you automatically get
registered to vote and get rid of the hurdles the
blockages that block people from participating in this democracy.

Speaker 13 (02:21:45):
That is a very good idea. Brother, You sound like
somebody who's going to be running for office yourself.

Speaker 14 (02:21:53):
Part of the.

Speaker 13 (02:21:55):
Democratic experience since seventeen hundreds in this country has been
how do we make what you just said not only
possible but the complete reality of democracy in this country?
How do we make that. How do we make that

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the everyday breathe in, breathe out reality. There have already
been people who tried to cheat, who try to gain
the system since they started it. Right now we are
in the midst of a gangsterized group of people who

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are trying to establish an order gauky. Forget democracy. They're
trying to go back to what they have been trying
to do since the beginning of this country. We want
an ordergarky. We want the rich people, the people who
own private property, We want them to be in charge.
We don't give a damn by y'all. You just follow

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what tell you to do. That's what Trump seem to
be aimed at. How do you stop that? How do
you how do you uh stop the advantage that they
have gotten? You stop that out organizing them the uh
democracy so that we have a choice has to win.

(02:23:25):
But you got to lay out a planned attack to
win and to destroy whoever or whatever tries to overwhelm
that oligarky. They figure they got the money, they can
pay for it. They can buy anybody in anything they
want in order to win. That does not always work.

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We who do not want oligarchy have to be able
to plan like the Philadelphia football team, two men, no
matter what they throw at us, no matter what they
try to make us do. That's where we are the
the There have been all kinds of tricks that have

(02:24:11):
been used to defeat people, and sometimes they work, a
lot of times they have not. For Black folk who
have decided that they want to stay here, they want
to be a part of the United States. They feel
proud when other people from other countries talk about Americans,
because we feel that we are part of that too.

(02:24:35):
Find if you've decided to stay here, then you need
to be respected. If you want if you are going
to be respected, you have to make sure you identify
the area that you can protect, the area that will
always be yours, the area that you are not going
to let them come and take from you. We don't
always do that. What we start trying to do is

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respond to their attacks. If you're only responding, then you're
not moving forward. There the opposition, the opposition is intending
to be in charge forever. That's what they're trying to
do now. They're trying to rigg everything so that Republicans,

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no matter what election y'all come up with we don't
always win anyway. We have to stop that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:27):
We have to stop that, right how I thought, right there,
Dr Horn six, after a tough day. Jay's joining us
from Detroit. He's online three Grand Rising. Jay, you're on
with doctor Horn. Your thoughts question?

Speaker 16 (02:25:38):
Yes, yes, sir, Yes, sir, Yes, the Grand Rising to
both of you, Doctor Horn. I got I think two
quick questions. The first would be unity within the Democratic Party.
And I think you know that's a problem too, because

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you can just see you with the the latest resolution
that the House of Representative past that you had a
boatload of the Republicans go along with, making this almost
like a national holiday for this person that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
Just was Wait wait hold, I thought right there, Jay,
if we're going there, let's call the names. She had
one not you Brooks. What's from Jersey?

Speaker 16 (02:26:27):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
I can't think of his name right now?

Speaker 14 (02:26:29):
Fall you come up.

Speaker 16 (02:26:30):
You got her, Keen, Jeffries, you get all of them.

Speaker 1 (02:26:35):
Yeah, I mention their names. Let family know, but go ahead.

Speaker 13 (02:26:38):
They voted for what now to make the resolution?

Speaker 16 (02:26:42):
They just resolution or whatever they came up to honor
Charlie Kirk. Yeah, you had I mean not only them,
you had here in Michigan. We had Debbie Dangle, Steve.
They're supposed to be, you know, kind of I wouldn't

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say they progressive. They supposed to be kind of liberal
Democrats your debris washerman shows used to be the head
of these are the type of people that align with
you know, this resolution. They came up for this person
and so Nancy Pelosi another one that voted for it.

(02:27:23):
So you know, you you talk about reacting and having
plans to work, you know, against what the yes sir.

Speaker 13 (02:27:33):
Uh, after a number of Democrats would have voted for
that kind of resolution, what difference does that make in
terms of us having putlitical authority in this country? I mean,
after they vote for it and demonstrated again that, uh,

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we know how to conduct ourselves in polite company, We
know how to behave ourselves as our parents used to
teach us. Now that nounce you've done that, does this
interfere in what the master plan is? The master plan
is to retake control of the democratic process so that

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black folk can get more out of it. You know,
if if, if voting for that resolution does not interfere
with the master plan, win the damn game, you know,
go in and win the game if it does not interfere,
why we have a discussion about it.

Speaker 16 (02:28:41):
Well, we having a discussion about it because it shows
the disunity within the party and also far as executing
the plan. And I think one of the problems with
Kamala Harris's campaign was that you had elements of you know,
the traditional democratic way of looking and things being some

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of the advisors on where she you know, she I
don't think she reached out enough to the black community,
like black media and things like that she did. So, yeah,
so you got people that's behind the scenes that are
uh and some of those are those type of people,
you know, those so called middle of the road Democrats

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that's part of executing that plan and also controlling a
lot of the funding for campaign funding and that type
of thing, you know, outreach to the areas that you
need outreach. So that's what it kind of demonstrates with
that whole disunity. You know, you got her Keem Jeffries
supposed to be the you know, one of the leaders
of the CBC, and he's telling everybody, well, I'm gonna

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vote for the resolution, but the rest of all can
vote the way you want. You know, that type of nonsense,
and so that's part of the problem. You don't have
a unified You got different factions within that, you know,
the Demomocratic Party, while the Republicans, like you said, trying
to overthrow the whole system. And we don't even have
unity to create a master plan with especially that would

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be beneficial the blacks and their interests.

Speaker 5 (02:30:13):
You know.

Speaker 16 (02:30:13):
It's almost like that's a side issue. And then the
last thing. Then you've got operativists working for the other
side that come up with these diversions such as giving
money to transgenders in jail, you know. And these people
have power because a lot of people listen.

Speaker 5 (02:30:33):
To them, you know.

Speaker 16 (02:30:34):
So that's my that's my you know, my question, and
also you know my analysis of what's going on.

Speaker 12 (02:30:42):
You know.

Speaker 13 (02:30:43):
Okay, let me let me you canna I handle that
great question, brother.

Speaker 16 (02:30:51):
Okay, when.

Speaker 13 (02:30:55):
When growing up, my mother used to have to tell me, no,
you need to be polite. You need to show up,
having your senday, go to meeting clothes and show people
that you got some home training. After that gathering is over,

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you need to get back to work and finish what
you were working on. We sometimes get two carried away
with confusing tangential politeness for the real issue, the real work.

(02:31:42):
But growing up, our mothers and our fathers tried to
instilled in us, keep your eye on the real issue,
keep your eye on the real goal. Get the damn textown.
Don't just worry about who's guarding you, who's trying to
trip you or slap you. Now, your goal is to

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get across the them line with the ball, and it's
not to get tied down on tangential things. We tend
to get pushed away from staying on point and not
finishing because we go for the Orkie doct We go
for the fake too much. What I'm saying is, come

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up with a master plan and follow it. Do not
allow anybody to pull you away from what you are
aiming at. Don't go for the side issues, the things
that irritate you and want to make you fight somebody.

(02:32:49):
Stay on point. That's what I'm saying. Again, I can't
think of a better example than the fill of death.
The football team, as many adversary you said, they have
faced that many times. People have talked about how bad
you know they're gonna fall apart. They cannot do this,
they can't keep winning. They can't keep doing what they're doing.

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Guess what they keep doing?

Speaker 1 (02:33:14):
What they're doing, Well, let me jume me here thirteen
after the time. They are a doctor horm. One of
the things I agree with Jay and Detroit. He was
saying that she sort of ignored black media, black radio,
black newspapers, didn't spend the money and had the money.
She took them for granted. And I know you recalled
in California and Tom Bradley was running for governor and

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he lost to George Duke Mason by a slim margin,
and he refused to refuse.

Speaker 13 (02:33:41):
Because the advisors told him, you need to come to
the black community exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:33:47):
You got there and people saw that and they didn't
go to the polls. It didn't turn up. Same thing
with Commraas. She didn't spend any money with She spend
a normal amount of money with black radio and black
and black newspapers, right.

Speaker 13 (02:34:00):
She didn't spend enough. I agree. Her advisors were not ready.

Speaker 5 (02:34:04):
For the big moment.

Speaker 13 (02:34:05):
They had, They had plans that had worked in other elections.
They didn't have a plan for vic the election for
this black woman for this time. That's right, That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
Yeah, because had Tom Bradley just went down to watch
make one stop in wats or in Richmond, or in
Oakland and the party anyway, just he'd have been the
first black governor California. But his handlers told him, oh,
you've got them, they're gonna support you, and and he
failed by a slim margin.

Speaker 3 (02:34:37):
Is that what we saw here with.

Speaker 13 (02:34:42):
Yes and no. They started off with the disadvantage. They
had no master plan. They had to construct one on
the fly. Sometimes you have the people that you need
who are good enough to do that. Other times you

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got to have the people who cannot have all the
chaos around you. They need quiet, they need they need
they need uh silence, they need uh slow and deliberate.
She didn't. She didn't get a chance to do that.
She has to come up with a master plan on
the fly that would work. She came up with a

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plan that damn Neill worked.

Speaker 5 (02:35:27):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (02:35:28):
Hey, you gotta assess the situation that you in and
come up with a plan that fits that situation, not
another situation. The situation that you in again, if h
I keep going back to this football team analogy. Everything
they throw at Philadelphia, Uh, some of it worked, Most

(02:35:52):
of it didn't. We still got the tush push. Hey,
we get We're gonna get close to your goal line,
and y'all can't stop us. We're gonna get through. We're
gonna make make a damn turn down. I don't care
what y'all do. Every time they've done it, it's worked
because as much as people have tried to defeated, stand

(02:36:18):
in front of it, throw rocks at it, tarted illegal,
it works every damn time. And that what you have
to do is get a plan like that that will work.
No matter what they try to throw you throw against it.
It will stay on point. It will stay on point
and get you where you wanted to go. We got

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the sixty four sixty five Boarding Rights Acts passed. That way.
If many people came a doctor King, as many people
came at the Civil rights movement, they stayed on point,
and they accomplished what they intended to accomplish. Logically planning,

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you do what I'm saying, do that and follow your damn.

Speaker 1 (02:37:03):
Plan, stick right through right there, Doc seventeen at the top.
I auguess Steve was side. A few moments we come back.
I got some more folks want to talk to you
family YouTube can join a discussion about politics with doctor
David Horn. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
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sticking with us on this Thursday morning. I guess is

(02:37:23):
doctor David Horn. Doctor Horn is a critical thinking expert.
He taught it at the college level. Also a reparations
advocate as retiring now, but he's still involved as a
pan afganist and pushing for reparations. Right now, they're discussing
Kamala Harris's book one hundred and seven Days, and in
that book she calls out a lot of people, burn
a lot of bridges. Doctor Horn still thinks she can
be an effective politician. She can still win. What are

(02:37:46):
your thoughts? Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six Race calling us from Hunt Valley in Maryland.
He's online, one Grand Rising Ray, you're wun with doctor Horn.

Speaker 5 (02:37:56):
Good morning, gentlemen, Hey, good good listen, Carl. I'm probably
one of your biggest fans ever, Doctor on same thing,
but let me tell you why your football analogy is
extremely flawed. White conservatives. White conservatives always saying if black

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people can excel on the playing field, why can't they
sell in real life? On the playing field, the rules
are not just clearly defined, but they're also constantly under
surveillance by umpires referees. Not just that millions of fans

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are looking at the game nationally and globally monitoring every
individual performance equity is constantly under scrutiny during the game.
None there practice racism during the game or preferential treatment
because millions of people are watching them and they would
immediately lose their job once the game starts. The rules

(02:38:59):
are the same for everyone, clearly defined, rigorously enforced, without nepotism.
That's why we have female empires in sports now, something
that men didn't want for years. Racism, sexual preference, or
subjective measures aren't tolerated instant replay. You have penalties, you
have flags, find suspensions, technical fouls, egict ejections prevent favoritism, Okay, okay.

(02:39:27):
Prejudice or racism are not tolerated in games. On the
playing field. Cheating is not only not tolerated, but demands
immediate penalties and fines. If an opponent does something like
Tomp had done over and over again, they would have
been kicked out of the league. The autopsy that you

(02:39:50):
and many others have on Kamala is extremely inaccurate. I
am not a fan of hers because I'm a very
progressive individual. I did vote for her because I had
to vote against the other guy. But the autopsy is
simple racism and nepotism. It is not she could have
done this. She could have done that.

Speaker 8 (02:40:10):
She had ninety.

Speaker 5 (02:40:10):
Percent of black women to voted for her. White men
and white females are responsible for her being installed in office.
And the last point I wanted to make, Carl, to
you and your great guests, who I really admire. What
you all have to understand is this, White institutions don't
change because you put black faces in them. Whether it's media,

(02:40:35):
whether it's Potus, whether it's Congress. The institutions which are
meant to benefit them remain the same regardless of the face.
Look at the men you all meant you earlier on.

Speaker 13 (02:40:50):
That.

Speaker 11 (02:40:51):
Go ahead, yeah, look look at Hikeen, Jeffries and the
rest of the black politicians capitulating to the genocide I
Wastenians speaking for Israel. Still, black faces in.

Speaker 5 (02:41:07):
White institutions do not change the nature of those institutions.
But I appreciate both of you all, but I think
we have to be very careful with our analogies because again,
white conservatives use that same thing. But when I say
to them, we're the umpires in the work world, we're
the referees in the workplace that mutes their conversation. Thank you, brothers. Okay,

(02:41:39):
I love what he said. I'm trying to.

Speaker 13 (02:41:43):
Achieve the.

Speaker 5 (02:41:45):
How that changed.

Speaker 13 (02:41:48):
What I had laid out before. But I agree with
a lot of what he said. I don't I am
sure on if we're going to play whatever game call
us the game of politics, we have to have a
master plan for politics, not a master plan or employment,

(02:42:13):
not a master plan for kickball. That we're going to
play this game of politics. You need a master plan
to win in politics. That means we need all we
need to know what every side is going to bring
to the table that we can handle it. But I
agree a lot with what they brought to say it.

Speaker 1 (02:42:34):
Car so you agree because he was saying that it
doesn't matter who wins, that the folks control the game
and they can change the rules whatever they want. So
whoever gets in office, and this is probably symptomatic of
what we saw on the Jay talked about the resolution
for Charlie Kirker, all those black Democrats, those black lawmakers
voted for.

Speaker 5 (02:42:52):
It is that? What is that?

Speaker 1 (02:42:54):
What Ray's saying? Is he correcting saying that, No, the the.

Speaker 13 (02:43:02):
Black Democrats who voted for the Charlie kirk resolution, you know,
to simply honor this particular guy, does not voting on
that particular issue, does not interfere with does not weaken

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your resolve to move forward and to still get what
has to be done for black voters. We spend too
much time criticizing small time stuff and not keep our
eye on the prize. The Democrats need to make sure

(02:43:47):
that the Republicans do not gain the system and stay
in office longer than they should be there. Right now,
the House of Representatives is run by the Republicans because
they got the numbers. You want to change the numbers
in your favor. You got to have a game plan

(02:44:08):
for that. Doing something on the sidelines called passing a
resolution to to honor somebody who seemed to be relatively famous.
Right now, I find that doesn't stop you from moving forward.
That's what we got it. We got to keep out
our eyes on the prize. We got to keep our
eyes on exactly where we want to be. We want

(02:44:32):
we want the damn tutdown. We want to push the
other team out of the way, score points and score
enough points to win the game. That's what we got
to do.

Speaker 1 (02:44:43):
Gotcha. Stay on twenty and after the top of the hour,
let's go north of Kelvin's calls from Toronto is online
to Grant Rising. Kelvin here on with doctor Horne, Grand.

Speaker 5 (02:44:52):
Rising, can you hear me?

Speaker 13 (02:44:54):
Yeah, we can, Okay, Grant Rising, Doctor Horn.

Speaker 18 (02:44:58):
And Carl uh with the football analogy. I'm gonna call
it a bit of an audible and I want to
shift the narrative a little bit. And this has everything
and maybe nothing to do with what the conversation is,
but I think it has a lot to do with it.
And I think you're probably the best one, one the
better scholars to answer the question and wrap it up

(02:45:18):
this way. Now, given our issue, like last caller will
talk about race, and I want to stick on that
in a sense how I'm going to come from a
Pan African standpoint, How significant.

Speaker 5 (02:45:31):
How realistic, and how impactful will it be.

Speaker 16 (02:45:38):
If we.

Speaker 18 (02:45:40):
Strengthen our alliances internationally with our brothers and sisters do
other DA asks, but particularly in Africa, and could you
speak to any efforts moving in that direction and any
efforts to thwart that direction and how they're done station
in terms of politics, but locally as well as how
the local affective body international as well.

Speaker 13 (02:46:03):
Okay, asked the head of a question.

Speaker 10 (02:46:07):
UH.

Speaker 13 (02:46:08):
The let me give you a couple of examples that
lead lead back to the main point that that I
want to make. The African Union recently decided to join
in and support the reparations movement coming out of the Caribbean.

(02:46:33):
Not the reparations movement coming out of this country, but
the reparations movement coming made out of the UH the
Caribbean countries. Why how do we get left aside? How
do we get left out of that? The Caribbean countries
essentially are dealing with private property. They are suing, suing England, Germany,

(02:46:56):
uh UH and a number of other europe France, number
of other European countries for actions taken to seize private
property from black folk in the Caribbean. We don't have

(02:47:18):
that same argument. We don't have the private property issue
at stake. We don't have anything we can take to
court and demand that there be compensation made to us
because the illegal seizure of our private property. Now a

(02:47:38):
number of reparations people that I work with are kind
of pissed.

Speaker 5 (02:47:44):
Off about that.

Speaker 13 (02:47:45):
How do we get left out while we're not part
of the African Union's representation Again the issue of private
property which we have not dealt with. That means that
we need to take better, better care. We need to
back away from the stage right now to formulate a

(02:48:07):
better reparations plan if we are going to actually get
something accompanies here. There's also a number of decisions being
made at the African Union level to come up with
a an international language that African people can speak. We

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need to be able to communicate with each other without
going through French or even English, and that the language
is going to end up being teeth for a healing
because they have done they study along enough study to
be able to make that determination. There are things being

(02:48:53):
done at the international level that give us some other options.
We have to keep up with those options.

Speaker 1 (02:49:03):
All right. Twenty seven away from the top of all
the film is checking in from Baltimore on line three.
Grand Rice and Filma. You're on with doctor David Horn.
Your question for it?

Speaker 19 (02:49:13):
Yeah, Grand Rising everyone. Yeah, I'm sorry. Huh oh, I
talk so fast.

Speaker 4 (02:49:21):
I'm sorry. Listen.

Speaker 19 (02:49:25):
Okay, check this out.

Speaker 5 (02:49:26):
Listen.

Speaker 19 (02:49:27):
I got my own library. I've been collecting books since
I was ten years old.

Speaker 13 (02:49:32):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:49:33):
And I hate to look stupid on the phone.

Speaker 19 (02:49:35):
I hate to look stupid on the phone, even over
the phone. When a president steps down for any reason,
I don't care if he broke his foot when he
steps down again, any reason, I don't care what it is. Automatically,
the rings are supposed to go to the vice president.

(02:49:57):
That would be commoner. Do your homework and you will
see it's a fact. We got done. And let me
just say this also, I'm going my training thought. I'm
not feeling too well today.

Speaker 4 (02:50:17):
I got cancer.

Speaker 19 (02:50:18):
But once again, I'm gonna leave it at that. Do
your homework. Oh, this is what I meant to say.
This is what I'm meant to say.

Speaker 4 (02:50:24):
Okay, we the.

Speaker 19 (02:50:24):
People in order, and I've called about this before, to
form a more perfect union, established justice and short domestic
all that gristaff. Let me tell you something that right
there is supposed to be you take that and swap
the president across the face when he's not doing his
job correctly. He is, we're supposed to be in the

(02:50:45):
streets preaching that. They they wrote that for that, that's
the constitution. When he is no longer doing his job.
If you want to, I will quote it for you.
We the people, in order to form a more perfect union,
established justice and shure domestic tranquility that means peace, right
for common defense, promote the general welfare and security, blessing

(02:51:08):
to ourselves and our prosperity. Do ordain and establish this
for the constitution of the United States of America. Then
let me tell you something else. We wouldn't be in
this mess today if I wasn't the only one down
here crying that. Check it out. It is true again.
I don't like to look stupid, even over the phone,
and I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:51:28):
Don't your son Repeatershell, Let's give him a chance to
respond to what you just said, and I thank you
for your call. Twenty five away from the top.

Speaker 13 (02:51:34):
I'll talk to her just before you go. I was
trying to get the, uh, the essence of what she
was asking me to respond to.

Speaker 20 (02:51:49):
If she.

Speaker 13 (02:51:51):
Were raising the issue of why don't we follow the
constitution that we have. Why don't we out of the
language that's already there. Part of the issue with the
Constitution from the very beginning is what it says is

(02:52:16):
one thing, how people understand it and interpret it as
something else. The Constitution was written by and for property owners.
It was not written by and for poor people who
had no real stake in the society. The Constitution protects

(02:52:42):
property owners. The Constitution protects citizens who can articulate what
in that document relates directly to them.

Speaker 1 (02:53:00):
All right, and hold up though, right there, Doc, we
got to take a quick break here twenty three away
from the top. They having said that, since you're talking
about the Constitution, explain to our audience who at the
twenty fifth amendment? When because some people are calling for
the twenty fifth amendment where they've seen it's going on
and all, explain that when you get back twenty three
away from the top day our family with doctor David Horn.
You want to join this discussion, reach out to us

(02:53:21):
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Grand Rising family. Thanks are staying with us all morning long.
I guess this is doctor David Horn. Doctor Horne is
a critical thinking expert. That's what he taught at the
college levels. I keep saying that there's also a reparations advocate.
There's also a Pan Africanists. I'm discussing politics this morning.
We'll start off by talking about the Kamla's book one

(02:53:43):
hundred and seven Days. What are your thoughts? You can
reach us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
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(02:54:03):
I me know, I keep saying this, folks waiting the
last minutes, A whole bunch of folks will get the
left out because I wait the last minute to call in.
Just don't do that. Just call in and be patient.
We'll get to all of you. So again, we start
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DMV era. We're on FM ninety five point nine and
AM fourteen fifteen. W L all right, doctor Horne, the
twenty fifth amendments. Can you explain what that is and

(02:54:24):
should that be a consideration at that time of this presidency?
Do you see it yet?

Speaker 19 (02:54:28):
No?

Speaker 13 (02:54:29):
The Turning Forth Amendment is not going to help us.
Turning fifth Amendment simply sayers that if the president and
vice president crack up, they go nuts, they go you know,
they get to the point that they are funcationally not

(02:54:49):
capable of carrying out the duties that they got elected
to handle. Being the vice president talking to the the
Speaker of the House and some other officers can get
together and remove the president, and they can UH present

(02:55:13):
their case to the Supreme Court, uh or and and
to American people, but they can remove the president. Twiny
prif of amendment say that if the president becomes incapable
of being the president, then he can be removed. That's
not going to help us. The twinter prif of amendment,
even if acted upon, even if implemented, would give us

(02:55:37):
JD Vance as the president. That's not going to help us.

Speaker 12 (02:55:42):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (02:55:43):
And if the vice president does not become the president,
then the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson would become
the president. It goes right down the line. UH. Twiny
prif of amendment is not an answer to UH to
Trump right now, we UH, that would not give us

(02:56:07):
any real relief. We have to have another plan. And
again I keep emphasizing, if you want to change a
major change in your own life, you got to lay
out a master plan to do that. If you want
to lose weight, you need to mask the plan. If
we want to get reparations in this country, we must

(02:56:31):
have a reparation the master plan. We don't have one.
We keep expecting white people to admit that they were
wrong and they treated us badly, and now they will
compensate us. That ain't gonna happen that way. That's not
a plan to even get it done. If we want
pan Africanism, this reconnection with African people all over the world,

(02:56:58):
we won't.

Speaker 4 (02:56:59):
We won't.

Speaker 13 (02:56:59):
We want Africa to be free and independent and strong
and strong. We must have a master plan to get
that done, not just some ideas about it, not just
I want this to occur. You know, we need a
master plan, master planning what we need to be doing
for our future black folks is not going to help us, all.

Speaker 1 (02:57:25):
Right, fifteen away from the topic, let me read this quote,
real tweet, real quick, because it's still got a bunch
of folks wh wanted to talk to you, a bunch
of tweets too, Doctor Horn. This tweeter says, though the
black people are under attack, ses Maga is coming to
our churches. We've heard about that in Philly. The black
colleges are demanding debates are coming onto our black colleges.

(02:57:47):
Somebody just sent me a couple of MAGA folks at
Howard University in front of Douglas hall Uh out there
with their red hats, and you know, so they're coming
on our campuses. This is what this tweet is saying.
And it goes on and saying NASA for the last
two years not invited any blacks into the space program.
What should we the people move forward to? The person
goes on to say, I personally believe we will be

(02:58:07):
better off separating from these folks.

Speaker 13 (02:58:13):
Separation has been tried before. We've never had a master
plan to separate from white people from this country. If
that's what somebody believes, will work, lay it out step
by step, be planning is our salvation will be. But

(02:58:40):
we got to do it. We can't talk about it.
We can't say we're gonna get around to it later.
If you want to change fundamentally where black folk are
in this country and in this world, we must lay
out a master plan to do that. And we got
to have master plan to do that, not just people

(02:59:02):
talk loud.

Speaker 1 (02:59:05):
All right, hold that back, because we've got a bunch
of folks that I mention you want to talk to you.
Sondra's calling from Baltimore Online. One grand rising Sandra Young
with doctor Horne.

Speaker 20 (02:59:14):
Yes, good morning, called one of doctor her you your Monstan, doctor,
thank you, thank you for putting it out about the Constitution. See,
I think black people are, uh, they're so sadly mistaken.
A lot of black people think the Constitution was written

(02:59:35):
we was written for The Constitution was written for us.

Speaker 10 (02:59:38):
It was not.

Speaker 20 (02:59:39):
And also, let me say this, calmer lost because white people,
some white people like eighty five percent refused to take
off of their sheets and lay down their cross, right,
and two of white people do that. Black people will

(03:00:00):
never have a chance to see the way that we
want to and the way we could. We have to
understand that they're not ready for that yet. I don't
know what it will take, but it will not take
just put somebody in front and say they're black and
they're gonna run for president. It takes more than that.

(03:00:23):
The massive and white people are not ready to do that.

Speaker 6 (03:00:27):
They still in that stuck on stupid uh take out.

Speaker 1 (03:00:33):
All right, Let's give me a chance to respond and
let me add this.

Speaker 20 (03:00:38):
Can we get them out of that mindset? We will
never accomplish anything the way we want to accomplish.

Speaker 1 (03:00:45):
I got you, Sandra, and let me add this before
before Dr Horne responds add on to what Sandra was saying.
What we're seeing now, Doctor Horne, is this a reflection
because of Barack Obama's two terms in the White House?

Speaker 13 (03:00:58):
Yeah, well partially. Yeah. The look, the crack in the citadel,
the crack in the uh in the white domination of
politics in this country occurred when Barack Obama not only

(03:01:21):
won the first time but won the second time, and
he won both times because of a massive organization. They
had a master plan and he had damn good people
to implement the plan. There were a bunch of people
who moved against him, worked against him because he was

(03:01:43):
a black man, and there were a bunch of people
who did not believe he could succeed because he was
a black man. There were a bunch of things against him. Again,
the master planned idea worked and he was successful. And
though there are people who now complained he didn't do

(03:02:03):
enough for this, who did not do enough for that.
When you look at the people who have evacuated all
of the presidents out of forty seven, Barack Obama now
comes in there as number eight in terms of the
best presidents in country's ever had. So the man ran

(03:02:25):
for a job that he did very well. He was
not perfect, but he was great at the job. We
have to be ready for moments like that. We got
to plan. It's master planning. That's the logic. That's what
we had not done enough of.

Speaker 1 (03:02:43):
Gotcha. Nine away from the top The Ramsey's in DC's
online too Grand rise in Ramsey your question for doctor Horn, Yes,
that is.

Speaker 7 (03:02:51):
New to say about politicians period. I said, I think
I've said this before your shoot. I've said all of
the media outlence. No politician can afford to represent the
people that vote them in office because the people that
vote them in office can't afford to give them the

(03:03:13):
money they need to remain in office. All politicians are
little really being held hostage due to the high cost
of money for public office corporations that the millionaires and
billionaires people belong to, these secret societies. That's who's when
these countries. Everybody and in the goodition in this country

(03:03:34):
is either a black or white freemason, or shriness or
aircome or the secret societies that does the same thing.
Religions do divide people. That's what going on.

Speaker 13 (03:03:45):
That's what going on.

Speaker 8 (03:03:47):
No politicians will say it again, can afford to represent
the people that vote them in office because the people
who voted in office can't afford to give them the money,
the money they need to remain in office. And y'all
have a nice day, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (03:03:59):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 13 (03:04:00):
Brother. And the brother has a point, but I think
he may have pushed it too far. Yes, money is
important in politics. It always has been, it always will be,
you know. But again, we don't want money to be

(03:04:22):
the important element. That's oligarchy. That's when money and only
money counts. There have been representatives who have been elected
and in spite of the money that was involved in
getting them elected or the money involved in keeping them elected.

(03:04:44):
They still find ways of responding to the voters and
giving them what they need. Money is definitely important in
politics and always will be. Money is not the only
thing that's important.

Speaker 1 (03:05:02):
Yeah, I want to jump in here because we're raising
the clock. I got a special request for you, doctor Horn.
Sister Sharida listening to us in Ghana. And you know
sister Serata, that's doctor Gossi's daughter. She you know, a
new body clinic in Compton. You know c k Let's,
you know, you know who they are.

Speaker 7 (03:05:19):
She says that.

Speaker 1 (03:05:20):
Yeah, yeah, she says, ask doctor Horn, can he please
give us some ideas of what should be in the
master plan? Can he please give us a foundation for
the master plan? And she's listening all the way in Ghana,
so she's waiting for your response.

Speaker 13 (03:05:34):
Okay, the first item in the master plan has to
be a clear definition of what we want. Where do
we want to go? Do we want Africa the fifty
four countries in Africa to be economically integrated, to only

(03:05:56):
trade with each other? Do we want the fifty four
more countries in Africa to have their own military and
to be able to defend Africa against all comers. Do
we want to simply be part of the economic interests
in the world. Do we just want to be in
charge of the G twenty as we already are. What

(03:06:22):
is it that we want? We have to be clear
about that. In Ghana, for example, and I recommend to
the African uscendants, we're not African descendants. Everybody be clear
about this. Everybody on this planet came from Africa. Mankind
came from Africa. Everybody is an African descendant. The African

(03:06:45):
US sentants us. If we want to make sure that
we have places to go, places to move to if
things fought apart, if the crazy people do take over,
we need to get dual citizenships in African countries. Ghana

(03:07:08):
right now represents an African country that had been open
to that. We need to be able to travel illegally
to other parts of the world if it becomes necessary.
That is a master plan target. The master plan has

(03:07:29):
to lay out where we want to go, who we
want to take with us, while we want to get there,
how long we want to stay. Marcus Gard he tried
to give us a master plan for getting black folks
together all over the planet. We need to go back
and study him, study Frederick Douglas. We have had great

(03:07:50):
scholars and great activists, men and women, even youth. We
need to study them. Lay out where it is we
want to go, why we want to go there, how
we're gonna get there, how we're going to survive once
we get there. That's what we're talking about. Everybody who's
listing has already been living on somebody's master plan. You

(03:08:15):
may not be living on your own, but there has
been a master plan for you. You're living on somebody's
master plan. Now you need to live on your own
master plan. That's where we are.

Speaker 1 (03:08:30):
Yeah, and we bet we got to get out of here.
I just want to thank you, doctor Horn. Uh, how
can folks follow you? He's still not down on social
media yet.

Speaker 13 (03:08:39):
I'm not getting on social media. Call now they if
they really want to call me. Uh, they can do.

Speaker 19 (03:08:48):
Well.

Speaker 1 (03:08:48):
They can call me and I get I'll hook you hoo.
They want.

Speaker 13 (03:08:52):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not a I'm not
a social media man.

Speaker 1 (03:08:58):
Right, Thanks doctor Horn. Thank if it's sharing your thoughts
with us this morning. Hey, family, that's it for the day.
Classes dismissed. Stay strong, Stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll
see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore
on ten ten WLB. I'm also in the DMV on
FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL.
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