Dr. Gerald Horne on Global Politics & U.S. Tensions

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us. Later,
the University of Houston's professor Gerald Horn will take over
our classroom and doctor Horn will cover a lot of ground,
including the US attacks on Venezuela and boats, Israel strike
on Qatar, the High Court upholding racial profiling, and the
aftermath of the Charlie Kirk shooting. Doctor Horn will also

(00:20):
discuss the Japan Africa Summit, and China, Russia and India
teaming up and what it means for the US. For
doctor Horn all Memphis City Councilwoman Pearl Walker will respond
to Donald Trump's threat to send troops into her city momentarily.
Benden Harber, Michigan pastor activists passed as should say Reverend
with Pinney will join us. But let's get Vin to

(00:41):
open the classroom doors for us this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Grand Rising, indeed, Coll Nelson. The doors are spread wide
open this morning at the Carl Nelson Show University, and
we're gonna touch on some serious topics. So get out
your pen and a lot of paper and take copy.
It's the eighteenth of September. And again, like I said,

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I like smiling, I like having things work out as
we can give a positive spend on life. But today
I want to begin with Trey Reid. The family of
Trey Reid has called for an independent investigation and autopsy
into his death after he was.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Found hanging from a tree.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Down there where was that at the college in Mississippi?
And the police are leading the investigation. You got any comments?
What do you think of that? To the family?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
The way, of course, our condulg to the family because
they're calling for an independent autopsy. They don't believe the
ones that the state and the county are going to
release it will be correct, because there was some you know,
at first they didn't say he was found hanging on
the tree. That says you was just found on the ground,
you know, but with other reports. Yeah, so they want

(02:03):
this independent autopsy to prove that. But again, even if
it does prove that he was hung, who who do
they sue? Who do do it? Is there anybody they
know who do it? Are they going to do an
exhaustive investigation to this young man's death? You know? You know,
you know, Kevin, if it is, if it is, because
right now to ledge hanging, you know, let's be real,
and if it is hanging. What does that mean for
us in twenty twenty five. You know, we went through

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this back in the forties and the fifties and probably
into the sixties and probably some of the time of
times as well in the South, and wasn't reported. But
this is this is a new one for us, So
we got to keep our eyes on this story for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Right And they say the authorities seem all too eager
to call it suicide, leaving the victims family with more
questions than answers and plenty of doubt. And for the
background for those who aren't sure about the story. Early
Monday morning, the body of twenty one year old student
d Mark Trevion Trade for Sure Read, a student at

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Mississippi's Delta State University, was discovered hanging from a tree
on campus. Before long, a press conference was held during
which university police chief Michael Peeler and Delta State President
Dan Ennis both stressed that there is no evidence of
foul play and no evidence of a threat to the campus.
On Tuesday, Reads family and their attorneys, including fame the

(03:23):
civil rights attorney Ben Crump, held a press conference of
their own to demand full transparency from the authorities. Handling
Reed's investigation, and I quote, the family does not know
exactly what happened. On September fifteenth of twenty twenty five,
attorney Vanessa Jones said, we are seeking answers.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
And so they should, you know, and I know they've
got Ben Crump on the case, but we need more
Ben Crump's, you know, because he can't. He can't you know,
every ever civilized, every issue that it's on the table.
It guess there is law firm. I'm not, you know,
not knocking his ability and all that to do that,
but it's a lot of work. You know. We've got
We've got a bunch of black lawyers out there who

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should be doing this kind of work to take some
of the load of Crumb's table. That's all I'm saying
on that. Nothing to about his abilities as an attorney,
but I just think we need more of Ben Crumbs
out there.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
And the lawyer of the family of Trey Reid said
that the family has not received the phone call from
the president of Delta State University and yet conversely, the
president suggested on Facebook that they've contacted the family and
will continue to contact the family. But is Facebook really
contacting anybody.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Man, No, not really, what if they're not on Facebook?
Not everybody's on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
None of the time, like this, even if you are,
you're not going to be looking at it.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
And again, like brother Sidika has been telling, not everything
you read on Facebook or any social media is true.
It's a lot of a lot of stuff out there
that's done by balts and transhumanism, lot of people working there,
and you know, people make comments on them just to
make money because they get the likes and then get
a certain amount of money if they get over a thousand,

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it's not a lot of money, but for some people
it's an income. So especially on YouTube, some of the
things that people say on YouTube that's just outrageous and
people going and as long as you click on it,
it's money for them, clickbait. So just remember that.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's right, that's right. Ben Crumb, the lawyer, once again
said Trey Reid was a young man full of promise
and warmth, deeply loved and respected by all who knew him.
His family in the campus community deserve a full independent
investigation to uncover the truth about what happened. And again,
our condolences to that family, and you ready to move

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across the water to there, Carl.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay, let's roll over the other side of the pond.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Okay, on the other side of the pond.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
President Donald Trump hails the UK special relationship as he
revels in pomp of historic of his historic state visit
in Windsor, England, and as he paid a gushing tribute
to King Charles during his historic second state visit, calling
it one of the highest honors of his life. It

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was a day of unprecedented pomp for foreign leader. Trump
and his wife Millenia were treated to the full array
of British pageantry and the picture he's in formal ultra
formal uniform, you know, the tales and white tie, you know.
And this is Ruter's news website. But on the BBC

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website mostly all they talk about is the protest of
Trump visiting because they protected as much as they could.
I guess they protected Donald Trump from being in the
route of where the protesters were. But the BBC, that's
all they talked about, video and everything.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Carl.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It was a huge demonstration, and he's getting the treatment
from the British tabloids. They're going after him. They and
they accused him of walking in front of the monarch.
Again he did that when the queen was there. You
just it's royal protocol. They go first, the king and
the queen goes first. You you go behind. And there
was there was talk that Trump and his wife that
she didn't curtsey to the king and the queen you know,

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then bowed to the King of the queen. So I
don't know the Brits are reading into that. And also
one of the TV stations in the UK broadcast a
long uninterrupted reel of what they call on truths, falsehood
and distortion.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Ever, broadcast on TV. It's all about Donald Trump, all
the lies that Trump did and they and they they
say it was fact checked. This is on TV. This
like this is something you will never see in the
United States. There's no broadcast channel that would even do that,
you know, but they did it. But the Brits did it.
And that was a coincide. Without dinner at Windsor at

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Windsor Castle.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
When you talk about fashion again, uh, the President was
in full super formal attire, tales and white tie, right
whereas Millennia has on this hat that looks like a bowl.
You can hardly see her face and pretty much, you know,

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a business suit.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I'm not sure if they really.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Get it, you know, yeah, because there's some sort of
protocol that they should know. Either they got it, Kevin,
and they just ignored it because she I think she
was off the shoulders kind of thing, and they're really
formally you know, formerly you cover your should even here
a woman. There's some things that you do. This is
how Megan Markle got in trouble because there's some British
traditions that you have to follow, and the Brits know

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what they are and if they see whether you know it,
whether they don't care whether you know it or not.
They figured you should know, you know, when you'd comeing
in our country, you should know some of the norms
and some of the customs that we have. And if
they think that you ignore it, they go after you.
And that's what happened to Makamarkin. That's what they've seen
about Millennia as well.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
And well they say, you can't break the rules if
you don't know the rules, and if you break the
rules without knowing the rules, then that makes you ignorant
or non caring about what's going on.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And they just summed it up.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, oh, thank you, thank you. Let's move on. Then
there's still in Donald Trump's world. Trump administration purges national
parks of slavery exhibits, including iconic the Scourged Back photo.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
The same people who are restoring Confederate.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Names the military basis are fighting to protect the Confederate iconography.
And they think teaching slavery is too much. What do
you say about that?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
You know when I said about that that this is
for the black magots out there, that man with his back,
with all those scars on his back may have been
related to you, may have been your with your blood
relatives that saw that, with that and that, and she said,
that's what the Trump administration is trying to get rid of.
They don't want America to see all the world to
see what happened to our ancestors. So really, for me,

(10:08):
it's it's just not in the wing. To those who
are still in the sipping on the magagers, this is
what's what's down the road for you.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well. On a happy note to end this morning's opening.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Of trending topics, the RFK Stadium project has been approved
for the commanders, so they should be moving into a
new field around twenty thirty. So Hip Hip hooray for
the commanders or is it hail to the commanders? Either way,
that I think is a happy note and we'll look

(10:42):
into it more details tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, and maybe that's why we saw the mayor maneuvering
around with Donald Trump, because she wanted this project to
come through and she had to make some concessions. I
don't know people, some people in the district got on
her case. But this is what this is a baby,
this is what she the fruition. Now maybe she can
speak of what she say, what she really means. Now
the deal has been cut, but it's interesting. Thanksfully updating

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us on that, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
And thanks for your time. Carl.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's the eighteenth of September, wonderful Thursday morning, and once again,
thank you very much for your time.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
We've got standing.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
By Edward Pinkley, past the Pinkney Grand Rising. Pastor Pinkney,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Friend rising to you brother, I'll kill you.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
This has been one of the most unusual weeks that
you can ever imagine. We are here in the city
of Bengine Opera and Cordnell University and decided to do
a documentary on my life as as an activist, as

(11:49):
a human being and red coping, and it's sposed to
be in pairs. Just got to be pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
So I haven't got all the details, but uh, what
I'm doing now, I'm really really really excited about this
whole deal.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
We're excited for you because you've you've done a lot
and I know sometimes you're out there in the trenches
doing what you're doing, and you've done a lot on
a lot of issues in Benson Harvey sometimes, but you're
a pastor, so you look at it differently. Well, some
of the folks who look at into it's just really
worth it? Should I be doing this? But I know
you moved by your faith to do it and you
don't look back. And once you set a target, you're

(12:36):
going after some people you know they set the target,
but they were a gas on the way. You've you've
never ran out of gas. In fact, you find more
new stuff to do, to a new project to take on.
So again, congratulations, uh, thank you, thank you, and and
and this is just the beginning.

Speaker 8 (12:54):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
They we went to like like a viewing. Uh I
think it was a year ago. Uh And and well
there was I really didn't get really excited about it,
and until they showed this one clip doing the viewing
in Detroit. They showed it in Detroit. Uh and ham

(13:17):
Track Detroit, so you know that's like Detroit, and wow,
it was it was, it was. I don't even know
how they got the tape, but they got they had
this tape and it brought tears to mind because I
gave it to them, to the county commissioners. I gave
it to them like never before. And uh, because I

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was kind of like sick of what they're doing to
black people, and black people are allowing it to happen. See,
that's that's really one of my problems. I mean, I
know that you know, you you have children.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
And and your main objective is to make sure that
they they can live alive, uh, that that they can enjoy.
You see, our lives today, See we're mostly surviving. We're
not really living. You know, we're some See we're in
that survival mold. Everything we do is uh, we it

(14:13):
depends on.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
What they do. You see they they you know, if
they said no more food shaft for the family.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
No more food shant for the family, whatever they say,
that's that's what it is and and I'm.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
What I want to do.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
I want people to learn how to real you know,
and and to me, that's more important. So I'm excited
about all these things happening, and you know, and I'm
willing to take it a step father. We got a
big election.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Coming up in November and four. Uh we got an
opportunity to get rid of two of these shampos and
uh uh during the primary, we we outslubbed them a
little bit, and uh we right there where we need
to be and the fighters are. You know.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
I gotta tell everybody every single day should be doing something,
you know, every day.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
You don't have to do it all day, just do something.
And that's that's what I try to teach people around me.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, and you do a great job of teaching folks
around your family. Just waking up. Our guest is the
Reverend Edward Pinckney. You've heard him before. He's out of
Benton Harbor, Michigan, and just told us that just a
big news just announced that doing a documentary on him
the Cornell University. They've seen his works and you know,
sometimes you laboring that for a long and hard and
you think people are not watching. But but people are

(15:33):
watching and you're just dos coming through. So listen, we
got to step aside for a few moments. We come back.
I want to hear more about this documentary and too,
I want to find give us an update on the
water situation. That's when you first crossed our eyes, and
when you were, you know, helping the dirty water that's
in Benton Harbor that has improved, and then when you
you know, working against the city council and working against

(15:53):
some of the big corporations as well, and working against
some black folks who don't want to get the water
cleaning your city. So I'll let you update this that
when we get back seventeen and a half the top day
our family, you want to jump in on this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. Will take a phone calls next.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Thursday morning at eighteenth of September with our
guest that Pastor Edward Pinkney. He's an activist pastor at
Benton Harbor in Michigan. Floyd left the Pastor Pinkney, first,
before you tell us and give us an update on
the water situation in Benton Harbor? Are you concerned that
this now, this documentary because those of us who listening
to this program, we know about you and other folks

(16:54):
who know about you, but all of a sudden you're
going to be put on a universal stage. Are you concerned?
Because the higher you go, the more of a target
to become.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Oh, you know absolutely that.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
In fact, I got a bulls rider on my back
right here.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
You know, we we you know, Uh, the news media
is definitely not on my side, and I don't really
want them to be on my side.

Speaker 9 (17:16):
You know.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
They everything that you know I do. Uh, they call
themself doing an investigation of me, and uh about these
water filters and we received over five hundred water filters
uh from fresh Water Future, but they didn't give us
any money. They just gave us the water filters and

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we're doing the label work for free.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
And uh, so they was trying to say that we
received money for that, and we did receive any money.
That's what the news media. So I had to make
them retract that statement, you know, uh, because.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
We don't receive any any any grant money, only our
only ally it's a really fresh water future, and we
do things that way so we don't have the face
kicking in our door and all this other kind of stuff.
Because I know that, you.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Know, they're a bulls on my back. They figure that
they'll eliminate me, they'll eliminate the problems that I create
for them here in the city.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Ben huh.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
And that's black people do.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
That's not just white people. That's that's black folks. Black
you know, black folks. They want to continue taking advantage
of black people, and I can't allow them to take
advantage of my brothers and sisters. To me, it's what
we all supposed to be doing because we have been
through so much hell. I mean, you can you imagine

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all the hell our ancestors and everybody has been.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
We going through hell right now, and we just don't
know it. You know, we not on that other side.
When you live in the in the podcast, that's your world.
You know, you don't know nothing else.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
You don't know what's happening in our We didn't kill
you that the water is bad, you see, Oh it's
been bad all my life. What difference do that mean?
You know? And not survive. But the water's killing people.
People don't understand that. Uh. One of the things that
we're doing now will which is so incredible. And everybody,
all these the Whirlpool Corporation, uh, the elected officials, they're

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all angry because what we're doing, we're double filtering people water.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
We put one on the file and give you one
to put in the refrigerator. And the one we put uh, we.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Call the Cadillac of all filters, the one we put
in the refrigerator because it has uh it kills conkindness also.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
And and they how how come they gave y'allity?

Speaker 5 (19:47):
How come you know, he got to be doing something
you know, for them or something you know.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
We they donated it, and we went out and did
the labor, and we didn't ask for a dying from anybody.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
And they don't like that. They think that all black people,
you know, were digging and stuff like that. No, they
offered to do it, and we accepted it.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
And we told we'll say, right, well, let me tell
me here for a second. Wrapped at twenty four minutes
after the top of our family, thanks for waking up
with us, and I guess Reverend Edward Painty out a
bench in Harmon, Michigan wrote back the years, how did
this start? And when did you find out that the
water in your city was contaminated?

Speaker 10 (20:25):
Roll?

Speaker 5 (20:25):
It started in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
That's when we got water testing ourselves. See, the city
kept saying that the water was good to drink. Even
today they keep saying the water.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Is good to drink. But we know the water has
a it's like a yellow yellowish color.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
It has older to it. And what we're trying to
do is is explain them. What happened in twenty eighteen
was that once again first Water Future came into our life.
And they've been working with a February since they're the
ones went out and helped me catch the water, and
I set the water to the Universal of Michigan Laboratory

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to have an analy and when they had an airlie,
it came out they was undrinkable. And they was really
really angry at me because Whirl Food Corporation was trying
to sell homes around.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
The Jack Nicholas Signature golf course and they got bad water.
Most people ain't gonna buy the home, so they was
extremely mad at me. They came, they came out like
a fifball on me. Uh uh, and and I, like
I told them, I rolled with the punch. You know.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
You know, if you hit me with a right, I'm
gonna try to dug. If I don't dunk, I'm gonna
take it and I'm gonna come back.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
That's how I do things. And uh, they don't like that.
They think that black people would fold under pressure. And
I haven't folded yet, and I have no intention to
fold it. But we got to get to see the water,
right because it affects our children. See, whatever I do
is I do it for the children. I don't do
it for any other reasons other than their children. And

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I'm not desperate for money or anything like that. I'm
not motivated by money. I'm motivated by our children, and
that's what I try to protect.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, you know, twenty six after the Top with a
pastor Edward Pinney, but a pastor Penny. You know they're
coming after, they try to they'll try to find a weakness.
Is this the money? Is it drugs? Is it women?
You know, some sort of weakness in your character that
they can exploit. But you seems like you've got all
the bases covered.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yoh, you know what, I know who they are. See,
when you know who a person are, you can just
feed them, you see. And that's one thing we don't
take the time out to analyze, analyze our position, analyze
our enemies knowing. No, you got to know their motive.
You see, what are they trying to do? Are they
trying to destroy the future by children? What are they

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trying to do? And then you can just see them.
You can't see them unless you go out here and
do the work.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
You've got to do the work, no matter what they say.
You've got to do the work. And that's what we
as black people got to do. But like I said,
we're surviving, you see you you know.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Uh. And and here's something that's important. We got to
stop being materialistic. We gotta stop want to buy children
these Jordans and all this other kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 (23:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Uh. We got a build of foundation for them. And
it's not on gym shoes, it's not on on on NiFe,
the T shirts and socks and stuff like that. We
gotta build something so they can have an opportunity more
than anything else. And that's my fight here. I fight
with the school system here, you know, my being I

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want to put back being being compiders.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
I want to pipe fitters, brick layers and all these
jobs that you could do by handy electricians that you
can you know, you don't. You don't need a degree
to do it, you know, I want I want them
to be able to do that. And then we can
lock up our community when we need electrician, we can
call them. When we need a person who do fix

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the air tradition, we can call them. We got everything
here is white, everything white.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
You can't you can't do.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
They won't even hire black people contractors to do nothing.
And next year one of the most racist, racist, racist
uh states in the whole United States. They about as
racist as you can get here.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
And they and and they they're flynning. They're there. They'll
put it right in your face. And now that's with
that Donald Trump. Things going.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
They don't, they don't.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
People, people don't care. They just keep moving.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But yeah, how much coming here for a second though,
the rep at thirty minutes after top in your journey,
in your fights, have you been disappointed by any person, group,
or entity that you thought was in your corner? They
started out with you, and all of a sudden, when
it gets the you know, the fight gets warm or something,
or they achieve or the group of chiefs whatever they

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wanted to do. In the onset of the fight, they
turn on you. Did you ever anybody who try to
sell you out or anything like that? Do you have
any judases in your group?

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Oh? And oh absolutely? I mean we were. I mean
is it every day? You know, when you're motivated by money,
you do anything. And this is what I have came across.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
That's why I was, like I said, we keep ourselves
together when people say they want to want to help us.
You know, my first question was is your motivation?

Speaker 11 (25:40):
You know.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
You're doing this before the kindness of your heart. You're
doing it for our children. What is you doing it for?
Give me, give me your reasoning and then we can talk.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
If you think that you're going to get grant money
or something doing this, I don't want to be around
you because I know that you're up to no good.
And not all of them, but most of them are.
And I found that you know that, Uh, even people
in the community, if you if you speak of money,
that motivated them to do that thing against you.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Because we was, like I said, we were doing.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
The recall of the mayor just recently. And this guy
was my friend, I mean we we my real friend.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
We you know anything. I trusted him at my house.
I trusted him at my church. I trusted him when
he had pleas to the church.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
And uh, we had went out and got all the signatures.
Uh got fifteen hundred cigtens who only needed four hundred.
But he was the only one who could turn the
signatures in.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
And uh they paid them off and and and we
did all that work for nothing, so that that see,
and and I trusted this guy.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
And uh, it's been several but it don't stop me.
I always said, one monkey gonna stop, no show, and uh,
and I continue to do what I need to do.
And I try to find people who not motivated by
money and just won't do something.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
But it is who it is.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
You're always gonna You know, when you bring up money,
it changes the whole attitude of the of even of
the organization.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
And that's why I don't. I don't go for grant money.
I don't. I don't go for it. I don't want it.
And the only person I trust is a special Walter teacher.
I trust them because they've been with me for over
seven years now, and it's gonna continue to stay with me.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, as we mentioned twenty nine Away from the Top
that we mentioned there, eh, yeah, that you know, usually
when they come at you, they try to penetrate your
group or yourself, but by finding some sort of weakness
and whether it be sex, money, or drugs or something.
And you just look some of our leaders, how they
brought them down. Have they infiltrated their inner circles? That's
what usually happens. And the people you and the people

(27:56):
you think will the most, that you trust the most,
those are the ones who are gonna disappoint you the
most as well. So you've got to got to keep
your eye on that. Uh again a Reverend Pinckney. But
Reverend Pinckney, you work with young people and what you
do you mentioned that you do it for the children,
for the youngsters who are coming up. Because we're just
about getting ready to get out of here. Many of
us are in the third quarter, some of us are

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close to the two minute warning, you know, and these
young people are coming up. Do they understand what you're doing?
Do they understand the struggle that you're doing it? Do
they understand it? It's all that you're trying to do
is for them.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
They some of them do and some don't. It all
depends on the on the parent too, because sometimes the
parent will hear something, oh well, Reverend Pink and and
maybe not saying it to the children, but maybe saying
that to the wife or friend or he probably doing

(28:49):
it for the money. That's a that's a bad, bad
thing for some reason. Or when people always claiming you're
doing whatever you're doing, you're doing they get money, you see.
And and that's why I make it. I put it
right out front. We don't we don't apply for grand
I gotta find out one to see three, but we
don't apply for grant money. That's because that's that's a point.

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That's see.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
Now, you know, with this this Trump administration, you and
the way I talk, and and and and and they
they they may not like the way I'm talking and
what I say, but what I say, I'm saying that.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
From my heart, you know. And uh uh and this
is what I know. I don't consider myself the smartest
person in the whole wide world, but I tell you
what I know. What I know, and and that balanced
the children because uh, sometimes you know, I have two
hundred kids at my on my church parking lit and
I let them come there.

Speaker 9 (29:48):
You know.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
I let them come there and do whatever they want
to do out there, as long as they keep it
respectful and clean up afterwards.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
You know, that's what I do.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
You know, you could come here, you could do whatever
you want to do and have fun so you don't
have to be out on the streets.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
And they listen to me when I talk.

Speaker 10 (30:06):
They listen.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
They may not wife what I say, but that's okay.
I have an obligation to give you the information, young folks,
and that's what I do, and I take the time
out to do it. Every single day. My job is
to make sure I make contact with the young folks
and say something to them and rest.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
Maybe somebody missed their bus, but me and my wife
we get up and walk from We do three miles
every morning, you know, and the bus come. Sometime the
kids miss the school bus, well, me and my wife
we'll put the kids in the bus and take them
to the school, make sure they get there. You know,
that's what we do, you know, because we're out there.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
We up.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
There's not a reason in the world that I'm going
that way. That I wouldn't have to drop you off
at the school. So I got a relationship with the
children better than the adults really here, because like I said,
they have fed into the idea that everything we do
is about money. We're getting grant money, we getting this.
They want to claim that, oh you know it like that.

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The other day I was in Ruth Terror's apartments, senior
citizen bill and and the lady told me, she said.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
Well, the only reason you're doing it because they think
you're getting grant money.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
I said, well, who can't give me the grant money?

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Who?

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Because I saw would like to get that check.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
And then she was kind of like embarrassed. I think
she realized that, you know, I was talking from my heart.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
I wasn't just talking off my heat, you see. And
I think that's so important that you tell the people
the truth and what they do with that truth is
on them.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
And twenty five away from the top. I'll come up
on break. But let me ask you this though, because
you go out there, you mentioned you pick up these
children who missed the bus and you talk with them.
But many of our folks, not many, but some of
our folks are afraid of even having a conversation with
their children. They're scared of their children, but you take
the opposite tact. You go straight at them and you
talk to them, and they respect you. What are some

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of these parents doing that they they shouldn't be doing
when it comes to rearing their children, Reverend, what they do?
What are they doing wrong? So the children don't respect them,
and they greatly want their children to respect them because
they love that's their children's that's who they created. And
they're wondering, how did I create this monster? Why does
he hate me so much? Why everything I say? Eg boards,

(32:28):
so she explores. And some of them, you know, they've
got male children, young boys, and they're afraid. I've heard
some of called up here on the station, are afraid
of their children. And you know, some other brothers would
call in and says, well, give me a number. I'll
be over there and straighten him out. And I want
to address all of that when we get back. We
got to take our first look at the news, trafficking
weather in our different cities. It's twenty five minutes away

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from the top of the our family. You want to
get in on this conversation, I guess the Michigan Betsen Harber,
Michigan pastor Edward Pinckney reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five seventy eight seventy six and we'll
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next and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with
us on this Thursday morning, this eighteenth day of September
twenty twenty five. Our guess is Benjen Harvard, Michigan activist passively.

(33:14):
We've heard him before, Edward pink Nay, as you mentioned
earlier the top of the program that Quiele University they're
doing a documentary on him, and he'll give us more
information about that again before he leaves for the late rises.
But before we go back to you, let me just
remind you come up. Later this morning. We're going to
hear from the University of Houston Professor Gerald Horn. General
Horn is Africana studies and history and he's also an attorney,

(33:34):
by the way, and we're going to cover several ears
with doctor Horn. But before we hear from doctor Horn,
Memphis City Councilman Pearl Walker will join us. She's going
to respond to Donald Trump's threat to send troops into
her city. And tomorrow, of course, is Friday. We're going
to give you another chance to free your mind and
that all that means is think for yourself and join
us for our open phone Friday program begin promptly at
six am Eastern Time right here in Baltimore on ten

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ten WLB and also in the DMV on FM ninety
five point nine at am fourteen fifty WL. I just
go back to Pastor Pinckney. Pastor Pinman, you have the
ability to reach how young people, you could talk to
them on a one on one basis. Some parents don't
have that building. They get frustrated and trying to convey
their ideas to the young people. What advice do you

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have some of the parents who are in that particular situation.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
See, one of the things that I think that's really
really important is that a lot of parents smoke weed,
and they smoke weed with they kills me and not
all of them. Now now I'm just in the song.
This is where I have discovered, like around my church building,
that whole community it's like a like a lower middle

(34:44):
class group of people. But they the children and they
ask like, you know, they never see me doing anything
that's against the wheel of any child, you know. And
then I sit down with the children and if they
got an issue, I help them solve the problem. See

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one of the things that one of the parents.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
Told their child, See we we we got our seventeen
person released from prison on a communication. And that's you
know we we we be doing that and we and
that costs money. And then you have to ask people
to go beyond the call.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Of duty to do things.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
And kids know that if they have to go to
go to court for some reason.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
You now, whatever court it is, you could expect that
I would be there that morning. I will, you know,
I'm going to show up. And and that's what they
seek in me. That's what they when the kids taught,
that's what they taught. That's why they trust me. Even
the parents trust me to take their child to school.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
You know, they don't have to.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Worry about me trying to molest they child or.

Speaker 10 (35:54):
Nothing like that. Uh.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
I'm always with my wife and stuff like that. On
that and uh and then see that. And I think
the first thing a person should do, you know, the
first thing, keep them in a child place until they're
old enough to take that next step. Don't try to
uh uh uh, they be the friend and stuff like that.

(36:17):
Just you know, your job is to be a parent, parent.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Your child like I Like I did my children.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
You know, I made sure that they understood who the
parent was and who the child was until they was
able to take care of themselves. And that's how I
do the children in the community, you.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Know, where there's no disrespect, no this, no that.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
You know, we make sure that and they can come
to me and ask me anything, and that's you know,
that's what I do. I laugh and I joke with them,
but I'm not their friends, you know that.

Speaker 10 (36:52):
Now.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
I'm just trying to get you in a position to
take that next step. So that's what I do. I said, parents,
please don't start what you mean with your children. Don't
smoke weed around them.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
Let them see you as a person who they love
and respect us. Then they're the one with smoke weed.
That's how that works.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, that's true. Lots of respect right there. Once you
start doing things like that that. People don't Some people
don't understand that their role models for their children and
their children see what they do. You know, they may not.
They may they'll tell the child to you know, go
into the room mind his own businesses, grown folks business.
But the child he sees and tries to emulate what
the parents does. And you're right about that. Some parents

(37:33):
just have to be just to have to be better citizens.
But we've got to do better as a group of people.
We've just got to do better.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
You know, we can do better. You see, we can't
listen to what they think in reference to us, and
we sit back and worry about what they're saying about us,
then we'll never be no better than what we are today.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
And I'm gonna say this, they are going to do
the not worse.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Then what people think it's gonna be. This thing is
gonna be bad cause when they start taking people off food.

Speaker 12 (38:08):
Seals Section eight, uh uh, it's going to be a terrible,
terrible situation, boy, And we're allowing it to happen because.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
We really don't know what to do. The Democratic Party
don't know what to do.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
They have no idea how to deal with Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
They have no idea, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
But well, I'm gonna ask you this though. Let me
ask you because that's an important point that you just
made here. Twelve away from the top of doctor Pinkney
Do you think the Democrats are complish it? Do you
think they they already know because they're not not putting up,
you know, opposition to many of the things that are
going down. Do you think they already know it's a
faith company and they're just going with the punches.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
Well, it appears to me they made you know, they're
part of the problem.

Speaker 9 (38:54):
You know.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
That's that's what I think. And they will to join
hands with the Donald Trump. I I kind of believe
this is what the Democratic Party in the Republican Party
the warning all along they want someone to come in
a racist and and and and uh and just deal
racisis and and we'll we'll all fall in land because

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this is what we were trying to accomplish all along.
You see, because I don't see no fight in the
Democratic Party, not from white folks. I don't see no
fight at all.

Speaker 10 (39:28):
None.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
And and he got he gives you so much ammunition
to fight with, you know, you know, I mean the
ammunition that this thing is every day is.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
You're put in a bullet right in his pencacles. He's
giving you the bullet and you don't use it, so
you don't have nobody your blame but your self for this.
You know, this is how I look at it. You
don't have nobody to blame for what's going on but yourself.
You see, I see the say it's there here with
World Full Corporation. Every single day they're giving near a

(40:05):
bullet to put it in my pistol in case I
run out, And.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
I utilize everything you.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Every chance I get, I talk about WORLDFOTE and I tell.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
People why this is happening and what we can do,
see the most, what we could do to hit them off.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
Now they got what they call a master plane. Not
playing is to drive black people completely out of the city. Benjo,
You know, Ben Hobbard is down to about five thousand
black folks, and.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
It's gonna get rough. It's gonna get worth five thousands,
you know, from.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Twenty five thousand to five housd and just a matter
of time before then it'll be down to two three thousands.
You see, they're working, they're executing the playing and doing
what they need to see get you see. The Democratic
Party to me is shishment. I'm very upset because nobody

(40:58):
gives a uh people this months amunition to work with,
and you don't use you don't use and and and
they you know, you very telling him talking about anything.
They scared to death with Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
Who's gonna be scared of a Suddney nine your old man,
you know, but he got power right Hold up?

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Thought right there. Rev. Pinckney, a nine away from the
top of the cliff is calling us from Connecticut is
online too, Grand rising cliff, you're on with Reverend Pinckneys.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
For the car that you're taking my car on Grand Riison.

Speaker 13 (41:32):
Rev.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
Reverend, I think you're absolutely on a point. But let
me say this now, and I'm gonna ask you a question.
You can give it back to me after your response. Now,
what are your thoughts in terms of the white boy
just got assassinated? The Kirk Charles Kirk.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
You know what, I'm glad you brought that up because
I've been on these conservative talk shows talking about them
and making you both extremely mad.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
Here here's here take that. Uh now, this is my take.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Now, I'm you know, I.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
Think that Donald Trump needed something to take sting out
of the news. So he needed something and it's Tylie.

Speaker 10 (42:17):
Kirk is expendable.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Tylie Kirk wasn't what people thought. I went to a
protest at the University of Michigan back probably four five
years ago, and he only had twenty people there.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
We had a thousand people outside the protest. Protest to
him everywhere we went. I went to several he never
had a lot of people. Now, but you talked.

Speaker 14 (42:42):
I saw that.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
I was shocked.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
You know, I don't even know what that was really
the crowd now, but here when I here's my take
on that.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
This twenty two year old guy, Robertson, never been in
the military, never been in the military, took over rifle
and shot this guy. I think they say he was
one hundred and seventy five yards away, and I'm thinking
yards or whatever. Hundreds. You're not gonna shoot nobody with

(43:12):
nobody without a scope propos from one hundred and seventy
five yards. You know, it's not if you have never
if you're not an expert, it's not gonna happen. You see,
I shoot the rifle. I've been shouting most of my life.
We got right, but it's.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
Difficult to go to shoot that distance and hit that guy,
that main target from that distance. And I know somebody
can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mask has
nobody yet I've been on them concern show saying the
same thing, and uh and they they power, well, who
do you think is behind him?

Speaker 5 (43:50):
I said, well who else?

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Who do you think who gained the most from this?
You see, you don't hear you arrassing him talking about
esting now, very fellow hear him talk about it.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
They had he wasn't.

Speaker 10 (44:03):
I see.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
That's why I was trying to I've been using some
of the rallies that that he's spos speaking at. Yeah,
by toy he had twenty pos at the universe are Michigan.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Let me jump in here for a second. Ref When
when you when you tell these folks on these conservative
white talk shows, what's their response when when you what
you just shared with us? What do they say?

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I was, I was going earlier this week and I
told this guy said listen, I say, I said, you know,
and I know who Charlie Kurt was. I think he
wasn't that pop y'all making him popular. I say, you guys,
come over here, you know that man? Well nothing, you know,
he was a RecA.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
Give it back to me for a minute. But here's
my point, and I'll end all right. What I'm simply
saying is that I thank you for your courage. Now
there's been another pastor from Virginia and he's going online
and with viral. His name is Reverend doctor Wesley. Is
that name Seth Premier. It's a YouTube video and he's
picking from the pull bit.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Now let me say this.

Speaker 7 (45:04):
Now, here's the problem. When you want to talk about
the black community and the unity we have, this unity
amongst our own passes, You've got black passes men that
are afraid and going the opposite way, saying that they
denounce any negative comments or any truth in reference to
other black passes because they're afraid and they're scared. So

(45:25):
the point I'm making repend figuring, is that when you
want to talk about unity in the community, we can't
even get it amongst the pastors. You got some of
the black pastors that like Trump something that like body.
You know, we should focus on unity amongst ourselves and
being black. We don't even have that in a good comparison.
My last way, a good comparison is a nation of Islam.

(45:47):
How all their leaders, all their their mothque, they say
one thing, they're in unison. So you can't get one
message here and then go to Chicago, get one message there,
go to New York could get a different message. They're
all in sec That's the problem in my black community
is the lack of unity within our own black preachers in.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Our own right and hold and Cliff'm gonna let you
go because we come up on a break and I
want Reverend Pigmy to respond. When we get back, we're
gonna take our first look at the traffic and weather
in our different cities. It's four minutes away from the
top of the our family. I guess there's Reverend Edward
Pinckney from Benton Harbor, Michigan. You just heard Cliff calling
from Connecticut with a question for him about our black pastors.
What are your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six,

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and we'll take a phone calls after the traffic and weather.
It's next and ground rising family, and thanks for starting
your Thursday with us. Our guess this is from Benton Harbor, Michigan.
Is the Reverend Edward Pinkney and Reverend Pinckney a question
from Cliff in Connecticut and he wanted to know about
the unity with the black preachers. So I'll let you
respond to Cliff's question.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Well, he here's the thing about you. Even like you're
never gonna get it. You know, one thing passes, they
won't everybody to look at them, look at me, Look
what I'm doing. God has called me. But yet I'm
not doing the work. But they don't want you to
know they're not doing the work. That's why you're never

(47:08):
let it. Lemicate this one quick story. When I was
arrested for quoting the Bible writing a scripture in the
newspaper and just said was a threat, Minister Lewis Fhrakend
came to my aide.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
He got to get He got about twenty to thirty
pastors together.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Which we have overall maybe two hundred pastors there. And
what he did he came in and gave them a scenario.
He said, this is something that we all all to
stand for it and these are my works. You don't
have to like me as a person, but if you're

(47:52):
a man, a guy and respect the Bible. He quoted
directly from the Bible, how could that possibly be?

Speaker 10 (48:00):
If you know the.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Bible, then you should support it or support the scripture.
Man them negroes them, preachers went with berserk.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
They tried to tap nic who was fair guy, and
he whooked them good. And uh but I'm saying this,
you're it's.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Gonna it's almost viseally impossible to get these guys called all.
The pastors want you to look at.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Them rather than look uh at the condition.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
They wants to be the top dollar. They got to
be the pleasident, the cheer person.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
They got to be the top and all I thought,
right there, Pastor pink Nate, we've got the sister Pearl Walker.
She's where the main face city Council on deck. But
I gotta ask you this question. We're talking about past us.
I'm sure he saw the story with the white pastors
said that the white community should now have the talk
with their children about the black community about doing business

(48:56):
or being around us. You know, it's harmful to be
around black peace people. This is a black pastor, I mean,
pardon me. This is a white pastor who's saying this. Obviously,
in these congregations probably got people who hire people who
make decisions concerning our lives and for our people. I
want to get your thoughts to that, because it's these
white evangelical Christians. They say that they're Christians. They say,

(49:17):
like you're a Christian? They they are, they interpreting the
Bible from a different book than than what you do
that our black pastors do.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
How do you see all that these are Christian nationalists?
These these are not real. These are the same Christians
that that were that will go to church at eleven
o'clock every day on Sunday, then go out and pain
the black person at one o'clock and bring their dinner.
These are these type of people.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
And we got a lot of them. Is that we
got a lot of but we got to call them out.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
We gotta let them know that we're not.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Gonna sit back and allow this. See a lot of
the things black people allow because they say, oh I
ain't gonna that on bud, that don't concern me.

Speaker 6 (49:58):
Everything that happen and concern you, whether you're like it
or not some kind of way. So you have to
That's why I said earlier in the show. Usually every
single day you should be doing something, you know, no
matter what it is, you should be doing something for
the future of our children.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Because we are at war. This is no conflict, just
a real deal and it's gonna get ugly. Unless we
do what we.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Need to do to protect the future of our children,
the fight is on. You know, you look, this guy's
like the only guy that's probably saying that. He's the
only guy that we heard or that was recorded saying that.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
And uh uh, we're surrounded by these people and they're
gonna contind surround us because we'll show divided we're anybody,
because everybody wants to be wanting to say, look at me,
you know, look at me. We got to have the
best car we got, we got to have the best
house and and don't have the.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
Money athletes to pay for this stuff. That's what we Yeah,
we got to change the way we do business. We
got to get better on several.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Levels, not just one, not just one.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
We gotta get better all together. And deplare for this
water we're about to fundy.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Right, that's some good advice there, Reverend Figure. Before we
leave it, though, because I want you to give out
your information because I know you're still out there. You're
purchasing water for the residents and black residents and that's
left in Benson Harvard that don't have clean water to drink,
and you mostly doing out of your pocket. And are
you still delivering water two different areas in the city.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Yes, we are. We matter of fact, we're going to
be delivering water tomorrow. We're gonna make sure that everybody,
everybody that comes in content who want water, to have water.
And it's crucial that people understand that.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
You know, even though you know you may not have
the resources, you can work it out.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
It can happen, but you gotta want to do it.
You got it got to be in your heart, you know.
And this is we as black people. We got to
come together. I got to tell them all that I
don't have to be the big chief, you know, I reverend,
somebody else to carry that torch. You know, just let's
let's do what we're supposed to do, all black people.
We can do this. We can do this. You know,

(52:14):
we need to tell people we can do it. We
don't need no more a Byron Donald and Kim Scott
and Clams Thomas.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
We don't need know those people. You know, we got
to make sure we're doing what we're supposed to do
for the future of our children. The bike is on,
you know, and whether you're like it or not, you
part of it. You know, you may not think you
part of it, but you're part of it because they.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Coming, that's right, it's here. But how folks can help you,
Reverend Picknate, if they want to make a donation to
help out our brothers and sisters in Bendon Harbor and
get at least a bottle of clean, clear, purified water,
how can they help you?

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Well, first of all, you can. You can write me
a check Tobanco.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
B A and c O.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
I'll give the nineteen forty Union Avenue, Benton Harbor, Michigan,
four nine oh two two.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
Let me repeat that you can make it. Check out
the Bango, B, A and C O, nineteen forty Union Avenue,
Benton Harbor.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Michigan, four nine oh two two. You can call me
at two sixth nine three six nine eighty two five seven.
That's two six nine three six nine eight two five seven.
And I promise you I will if you sent me
a check, I will spin it on the people to
get water.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
That's a promise that it was ray So all right,
and I thank you Revan Pennon, because you've been doing
this for decades now and there's still no clean water
for for our residents in Benton Harping and next time
we come in have a conversation. Well, because you talked
about the black folks are moving now the city because
partly because of that problem, if you think it's a
gentrification move, So we'll we'll talk about that next time

(53:56):
we have a conversation.

Speaker 9 (53:57):
So I like that.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
And the next time we come on, talk about how
we can unify these ministers in the community.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
You see, I think that's a topic that we have
to talk about because the unification is not there. The
pastors are not there. But we have to make them
understand they have an obligation to the people. That's what
they don't get. They think they got an obligation to themselves.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
You see.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, and I goes across the board though, Reverend paying
not just the past it's just for all of us.
Nearly Fuller says, they stay on cold. We have to
stay on our code. But first we got to figure
out what our code is. Some of us don't know it.
But you're right. I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
But let's make it happen.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
All right, we'll talk next time we talk. Thank you, reverend,
thank you for the work that you're doing, and congratulations
on the documentary they're doing on you as well. Beginning Okay,
thank you, Tien, and after the top out, let's bring
it down with benfhis City Council and Pearl Walker to
the program. Grand Rising Council, Woman Walker, welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Thank you, and Grant Rising to you as well.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
You know, you represent a section of the city of
Memphis and Donald Trump is saying he's going to send
in troops because of the crime problem in your city.
When did you hear that Donald Trump was And probably
if you can speak for other members of the city
council or maybe the mayor, whenever the city body found
out that Donald Trump. Before we do all of that

(55:28):
talking about Donald Trump, give us a little bit of
your background, how you got in the city council. Why
did you decide to get into public service.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Thank you for that. So I decided to get into
public service because I am I've been very active in
the community, supporting a variety of causes and initiatives, and
I decided that I wanted to go over to the
other side so I could affect policy. One of the
things that I've been a part of is the local

(55:59):
Reparations move meant here in Cobra, National Coalition of Blacks
Reparations in America. So there was a chapter here in Memphis,
and the model is to have a male and female
co chairs, and so I was co chaired that some
years ago. I've supported literacy. We have one of the

(56:19):
highest adult and literacy and comprehension rates in the country.
And more recently, not quite ten years ago, I got
involved with environmental and energy justice. So in addition to
being Memphis City Council Representative for District three, I am
also the civic Engagement coordinator for SAIS. That's the Southern

(56:42):
Alliance for Clean Energy based in Knoxville, Tennessee. We support clean,
affordable and more renewable excuse me, cleaner, more affordable and
renewable energy options in the state of Tennessee and the
six states in the southeastern portion of the country.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Wow, you got your hands for it right.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Then they talk about some green in the environment, you
have to have me back for.

Speaker 15 (57:05):
That as well.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
We will because that's that's a major issue. You know,
you know, you know, a city council will walk it.
Many of our folks don't know. They think that's other
people's problems, that's you know, they don't know that issue
impacts us more than any other other folks, as most
issues do. So, yeah, we will have you come back
and talk.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
About absolutely, because a lot of the factories, the facilities
that are polluting our air, and the communities and waterways
they are in, they're usually always in neighborhoods. What are
the people that look like us?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, that's so true. Twelve after the top they are though,
But Donald Trump is threatening to send troops into Memphis
before we do that, though, because you said that the
city of Memphis is one of the highest literacy rates
in the country. Do you think this has something to
do with it? And it does have a crime problem,
let's put that on the table. Do you think that
has some thing to do with the problem the crime
problem in the city.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Oh, definitely, because people have to be at a level
where they can read and comprehend and understand instructions. And
do you know, to work on a job, you need
to be literate. Not to say that you can't be
employed if you're not literate, but the data shows the
correlation between the lack of literacy. And I always like

(58:29):
to make the point of adult literacy. When you say literacy,
the average person they're thinking about k through twelve. But
you have to make the point of adult literacy. Of course,
it's important for the children in their formative years, but
what happens after that. We have a school system whereby

(58:51):
what here in Memphis, pre K is a really big deal,
and we're since we're spending millions of dollars on prepaid
development so that the children will be reading on grade
level by the third grade. That the data shows that
they need to be meeting the mark by third grade.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
But something is.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Happening in Memphis where between fourth grade and twelfth grade
they lose that foundation, and then they go into the
community and are expected to be functioning citizens in a
variety of ways, but they're falling short because of poor
reading and comprehension skills. And then if you want to

(59:35):
look at the crime statistics, which are down, there's a correlation.
If you test these offenders, repeat offenders, they're going to
score for the most part, they're going to score low
in reading and comprehension. And so you were about to
ask me, when did I first hear about it? I

(59:55):
want to say the President first made a statement about
sending troops.

Speaker 16 (01:00:01):
To Memphis three weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Today. If I'm not mistaken. It was first three weeks
ago today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
And before we go to that, though, let me jog
back to what you talked about education, because the education
system across the country is failing our students. You know,
it's not just in MEMPHISIS and Baltimore, DC, LA, just
name it. Fell. Do you think it's deliberate? Do you
think that or it's just organic. It's just that the
system needs a comprehensive overhauler.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
How do you see it, Whether it's deliberate or organic,
public education in the United States needs an enema as
far as it being intentional. I questioned choices that are
made with respect to curriculums, with respect to going from

(01:00:53):
K through six and then putting the sixth graders in
middle school with the older children who are entering puberty,
and putting the ninth graders with the older children. That's
the model here in Memphis. So I've seen decisions being
made over the years that just don't seem to support

(01:01:15):
the best interests of the students and keeping up with
the technology and understanding that our children are so oildren
are and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Grand rising family. Thanks for joining us on this Thursday morning,
this eighteenth day of September twenty twenty five. I guess
this is a Memphis City councilwoman of Pearl Walker and counsel.
When Walker is telling us about first we were talking
about education because crime has gone down in Memphis, even
so Donald Trump is threatening to send troops into Memphis.

(01:01:45):
So city Council, I want to Walker, I'll let you
finish your thought on the education piece and tell us
your thoughts. When did you first hear that federal troops
are cominging of coming into your city even though the
crime rate is declining.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
When I was making about the children and the literacy, literacy,
illiteracy amongst children, and this rush to get the students
at a certain level by third grade, and somehow they
lose it by the time they're coming out.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Of high school.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
But there are tons of studies out there that show
that so called black and Hispanic children generally spend more
time on gadgets and digital media.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Than so called white children.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
And I say so called black and white because there's
no such thing as race. Race is an artificial construct,
and I have to come back and talk more about
that also. But when you couple that with the factors
of lower socioeconomic status, and greater access to screens in
the bedroom that contributes to this higher screen time they

(01:02:53):
as they call it. And so we have a different
child in the classroom than and you and myself, And
the education has to be targeted and the appropriate curriculums
and just that whole, the whole model needs to be
trashed because it's not yielding the results that we desire. Sure,

(01:03:16):
you have, you know, millions of children who make it
through and do okay, but for the most of them,
they leave school with poor literacy and comprehension skills. And
then you know, they come out into the community expecting
with an expectation that they can be fully functional, and

(01:03:38):
that is just not the case. And also so Complack
and Hispanic children, they have more media daily and you're dealing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
With children when you're dealing with our children.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
It's definitely a different mindset. Those who are growing up
in Hispanic areas, they're going to have The data shows, yeah,
in metropolitan areas, the data shows that they're going to
have four times up to four times more hours daily

(01:04:13):
of screen time than other children from other backgrounds in
metropolitan areas. And finally, you look at the socioeconomic factors
they don't have opportunities for physical activities, and so the
screens are in the bedrooms, they're in every room in
the house, and they're not outside playing the good old

(01:04:37):
fashion way. But our children spend more time watching TV
and streaming content, and so there are other factors as well.
But I just wanted to touch on that since we're
in this age of technology now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
And that's forward thinking. I thank you. You're absolutely right.
We've had psychiatrists on this program with tools. Our children
learn different than white children. And these curriculum, these school curriculums,
the tail it for the white children and not our children.
So that's an issue for black educators to grasp and
take a hold of. Hopefully the congratsionate Black hawkers. They're
having their meeting in Washington, DC next week. Maybe they

(01:05:13):
should discuss that because the next week, oh you will,
oh good. Yeah, Well, if you get a chance, you know,
ask them, because you know what we deal with all
his programming solutions and because we know what the problems are.
We always talk about the problems, but we never want
to venture to tackle the solutions to the problem. You

(01:05:33):
just mentioned. Part of the problem is with the education
and how and you connected the dots how it connects
to the crimes in our urban centers. So I thank
you for doing that. But having said that, though, and
you mentioned the crime is down in Memphis, but Donald
Trump seems to think that he wants to come and
send it the troops into Memphis. When did you hear
about this? Did he consult in members of the city

(01:05:54):
council or the mayor?

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Oh no, I first heard it. We first heard it.
If I'm not mistaken, he mentioned it three weeks ago today.
But as far as I'm reaching out to the city council,
Oh no. So the way it goes the president, it's

(01:06:18):
actually via the governor, and the president reaches out to
the governor and then that's how it happens. So our
governor is Governor Bill Lee, Republican Red. We have a
red governor, a red state. And really the only true
blue portion of the state is the southwest corner of

(01:06:38):
the state, and that is Memphis. And we're bordered with
the Mississippi River in Arkansas on the west and Mississippi
on the south, and we really tucked into the very
corner of the state. I literally live about three blocks
from State Line Road, so that's the road that divides
Memphis and Tennessee. But we heard about it three weeks

(01:07:01):
about Yeah, it was three weeks ago today.

Speaker 16 (01:07:04):
And what the model is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
It seems to be he's reaching out to the state
that have the Republican governors. We have a Republican governor,
and then we have a democratic mayor, so to disperse
to deplore the National Guard, that has to be done

(01:07:26):
on the state level. So he's working in conjunction with
state leadership, meaning Republican governors. And that's what made us
a target because he's he can do it easier if
he's working with the Republican governor. And that's the case.
That's what the case is here, all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Right, twenty six of the topic. Do you think that's
why he backed the way of going into Illinois because
Illinois has a democratic governor a democratic mayor and they
weren't going to cooperate with the National Guard. Do you
think that's why I said, all let me go. You know,
Memphis and Tennessee has a Republican governs, so that they
should get him to do it. Do you think that
was the move they made?

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
Yes, so Illinois, Yes, the democratic government, Yes, it does
make a difference.

Speaker 17 (01:08:12):
On the local levels.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
We have no say, so we can we can share
our input how.

Speaker 16 (01:08:17):
We feel about it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Our mayor has made it known. Mayor Paul Young has
made it known that he didn't want the National Guard
to come. But the deal is broken with the state leadership,
with the state governors and so when thenk as it
trinkles down to the city and the respective mayors, all

(01:08:41):
they can do is just try to come up with
a plan to work in conjunction with what is about
to happen, because we don't want any ill effects behind this,
and we definitely don't want any bloodshed. And the one
thing that I'm not hearing people discuss enough is the
economic impact you have the National Guard coming into your city,

(01:09:03):
because a lot of people are going to stay home
and just come out for essential reasons like work, worship, food, gas,
things like that. They're going to stay home. This is
going to impact our small businesses in a way that
may not be We may not be able to remedy

(01:09:25):
this for a lot of our small businesses, especially our
restaurants and especially our nightlife. But people are going to
people are making plans to stay at home and be
safe and I'm just very concerned about the economic impact
as well as tourism. We do pretty good here in
Memphis with tourism. Elvis, though I'm opposed to. Our district

(01:09:50):
is the area called white Haven, and it is not
named after so called white people. I have to get
that out there, get it out the way. It's named
after a Colonel Francis White is one of the original
homesteaders in this area in the eighteen hundreds, and he
was responsible for bringing the railroad through this part of

(01:10:11):
the country. And so first it was white the Station,
and now it's white Haven. But this area called white
Haven is in a portion of my district and it
is the home and final resting place for Elvis Presley,
and so we get tons of tourists here from all
over the world literally who still come and visit tours

(01:10:33):
home and it's just a whole amazing complex. And fortunately
Elvis Week was just in August, so so we have
that out of the way. But next weekend is the
Southern Heritage Classic Weekend shot I'm gonna be in d C.
But shout out to Fred Jones Summit Management. And it's

(01:10:56):
a it's a it's a boat, it's a game between
two hb ceu SO all Corn State just outside of Jackson, Mississippi,
and UAPB over in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. And so it
is the largest event of any kind that the city has.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
And that's next weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Grizzlies Memphis Grizzlies, Go grizz That Grizzlies preseason is coming up.
We got the University of Memphis Tigers, and we're just
concerned about the economic impact as well as the safety
of the citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Yeah, because see a lot of our folks who are
coming out for that football game as well. That's noted
as well. Yeah, thirty minutes out of topic. I got
a tweet question for I got a quality but let
me do the tweet because you talked about this a
little bit. The tweeter says, ask her, is the Elon
Musk structure still being built in the black community in Memphis?
And what are the environmental harms? Is the community resistance

(01:11:52):
in Donald Trump bullying to sign a multiple threats on
black Memphis.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
So the data centers are are in progress. So there's
location number one and then there's a second location, Location
number one. They occupied an existing a structure, a building
that was already up and it was the former electro
Lux company. Yet another company that comes in and gets

(01:12:21):
incentives and then you know build, but the electro Lux
facility they have taken. They have that building, so that's
where location one is and there are gas turbines operating
over there until they're able to get on fully get

(01:12:43):
on the grid. So there's actually a substation being built sidebars.
So all council members and Memphis are to be are
a chair and co chair of a committee, liaison to
a board or commission. So chair libraries and theyhoods, coach
have MILGW Memphis like gas and water our public utility.

(01:13:05):
We are three service providers, the largest in the country, water,
gas and electricity. So I'm co chair of that committee
because of my environmental and energy justice background. So so
going back to the point, they will be on the
grid emil GWI utility. They're building a new substation and

(01:13:27):
they're going to be on the grid soon. And then
coming up new month, we're going to have the ribbon
cutting waste water facilities, something that we have been needing
for a while, but we have not the city has
not had a plan, has not had the funding to

(01:13:48):
pay for it. So I was making inquiries from the
environmental side about the waste water facility and so yeah,
I've only been on the council since January of last year,
but we're breaking ground on that and so that will
help the data center supercomputer XAI is a lot of

(01:14:11):
people calling. That will help them not to have as
great of an impact on our water. So these wastewater
facilities they recycle water, and that is very important in
these particular times. The city owned the property, we sold
them the property. They're building a wastewater facility. We're having

(01:14:33):
the groundbreaking next month. And should they leave, we have
a real good contract with them. Should they leave and
go bust or something, we have possessions of the wastewater facility.
So there is a lot of public outcry about this.
The concern most importantly is the air quality the area

(01:14:54):
where Location one is.

Speaker 10 (01:14:58):
It's near some historical.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Block communities Boxtown, Boxtown, Westwood, Walker Home and so there
is major concern surrounding the environmental impact as it relates
to them of the turbine. So it depends on whose
data you look at. The environmental community is very concerned,

(01:15:25):
and then there have been studies that say it's not
that harmful or that it means the threshold of what
the EPA would say is is you know. So it's
a lot of back and forth in different information out there,
but yes, the citizens are very concerned. And finally on
this our Mayor Paul Young, he sponsored an ordinance that

(01:15:50):
the council did support his ordinance where so we have
a second location that hasn't been built yet in like
one point three miles or my home, but it's just
across the boundary line from our district. But the ordinance
was to will give twenty five percent of its tax
revenue it will put directly into those communities within a

(01:16:16):
five mile radius of those two locations within the city
of Methics. And I sponsored a friendly amendment that one
percent of the twenty five percent and it can go up,
but one percent of the twenty five percent will be
used for environmental education. And coming from the background that
I do, that is very important because a lot of

(01:16:38):
these forums, they're just a bunch of gas lighting and
getting people all upset. But people need to leave their
right side knowing that you can have an air your
own personal air quality monitors. People need to be told
what the clean energy options are as it relates to
these data centers.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Got you twenty four way on the top of the family.
Just checking in Pearl Walkers. I guess she's a member
of the Memphis City Council. You want to join this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. Marcus is in Memphis,
has a question for you or comedies online too, Grand
rise in Marcus here one with city council women Pearl Walker.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Grund raising Carl and grand raising too.

Speaker 18 (01:17:21):
The council member Miss Walker. You know I must comment
Miss Walker for coming on your shoe.

Speaker 9 (01:17:27):
She's you know, she's she's an exception to the rule.
You know, you know, because I people that we want
to go back to your shore. So I most comment
Miss Worker. She's very brilliant and woll No. You know
what she said about your curriculum. You know that is
a national issue. Guys, that curriculum is not ritually offer

(01:17:52):
mean curriculum, so it's not an inspiring curriculum.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
That's why our kids is the store.

Speaker 9 (01:17:58):
While I go to school, you know, go to school,
but learn You're not going to learn about you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
I tell you what Marcus hold that thor right there,
and when we got to step asund and check the news,
lady's news trafficking well, and we come back put it
in a question for him, so miss Walker can respond. Family,
you want to join this conversation as well, reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. You two can speak with Memphis City
Councilwoman Pearl Walker, and we'll take your phone calls after news,
traffic and weather list next and grand rising, family, and

(01:18:25):
thanks for rolling with us on this Thursday morning. I
guess right now is Memphis City Council win Pearl Walker.
We get back to in a moment. I just want
to remind you. Coming up later this morning, though, we're
gonna speak with the University of Houston's Africana professor, doctor
Gerald Horner's usual doctor Horn caused a lot of territory, national, international,
even sports, and we'll find out what his lady's books are.
By the way, he's also an attorney as well. And

(01:18:46):
coming up tomorrow Friday, we're going to give you another
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(01:19:08):
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All right, let's go back to Marcus. Marcus, can you
put your thought into a question for him? So count
woman Walk I can respond, Yeah, I'm going.

Speaker 9 (01:19:20):
To put it in.

Speaker 18 (01:19:21):
I'm just one, I'm acal statement. That's why I was.

Speaker 19 (01:19:24):
He's building up today to the point right. So you know,
you remember years ago we had that gentleman Ruper agreeing
in New York, the superintendent who was trying to change
that curriculum. You were trying to put it in that curriculum,
curriculum inclusion any draft.

Speaker 9 (01:19:41):
Date, you know. So, so no, the question is this now,
So Memphis is seventy percent black, okay, yet the only
control point zero two percent of the local economy. No,
the question is the whole Does that statistic contribute to

(01:20:02):
the conditions in Memphis, to the to the poverty, and
to the crime that to drive you know, dose? Does
she think that those factors contribute to the crime in
this community? And also, how is the National God gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Deal with the.

Speaker 9 (01:20:22):
Statistics where eighty percent of the homicides in Memphis is
done by our domestic issues? The commissioner a police came
out as that every present the homicide, it's it's domestic issue.
So are they going to place the National God in

(01:20:42):
these people's bedrooms to court yell that violence?

Speaker 18 (01:20:46):
And I hung up and listen to the council woman's response.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Right, thanks Marcus. Marcus checking in from Memphis, and we've
got Memphis City councilwoman and Pearl Walker with us. All right,
city councilor Milwaukee. You want to respond to anything that
Marcus said?

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Yeah, So I got the last question. What was the
first one dealing with the National Guard?

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
And well the last one was a National Guard he
quoted some figures that about Memphis. The population memphisis said
it I think it said it was seventy black.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Oh about the okay, okay, So thank you for that question, Marcus,
and for all of them, and you're definitely speaking to
my heart. I'm actually about to launch a black owned
business directory online next month. It might be it could
be at the end of this month. Actually the designer

(01:21:36):
is waiting on some information from me, and so I'm
doing things like this and attending press conferences. But we
are just about seventy percent of the community, and like
you said, depending on whose data you look at, we're
controlling less than one percent or as much as or

(01:21:57):
up to I won't stay as much as two of
the receipts here now. From a standpoint of probability or
likelihood and all that that, that should be a big
red flag, a big question mark. But the key the
answer to that is we're going to have to do

(01:22:18):
more within our own community as far as supporting ourselves.

Speaker 18 (01:22:23):
Do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
I think there should be tax dollars and incentives to
support economic development for the black community. And I'm not
saying that they don't currently exist, because I'm working with
the entity now to do some things for my community
in terms of economic development to support a socoed predominantly

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black district. But yeah, that is make it make sense
I'm asking anybody out that make it make sense. We're
almost definity percent of the city and we're only controlling
possibly as just two percent of the revenue. But we're
going to have to come together support ourselves more. That

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area of my district that's called White Haven and exists
right on the state line. I just got the results
back this summer. I wanted the economic study done to
show how much of just this part of the city
and not the entire city in county, just this much,
just from this part of the city. How much money

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is being spent just across state line, which is called
the total county in Mississippi. Do you know what the
estimated average was? They hit the highe the low the
graphs and all of that beautiful study, but the average
is that this area alone is spending thirty three million
dollars across the state line. So that's like an artery

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leading now that there's so many tax dots, is that
we're losing. But yes, that was a great question, and
we're gonna have to do more for ourselves. The calvary
that we dream about and hope or in thinking that
elected officials are gonna scratch this itch as it relates
to so called white supremacy, racism, so called racism, and

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so called white supremacy. We're gonna have to come together.
And like I say, I do think that there is
a degree of responsibility from government. But if it happens,
then what we're gonna do. If we can't, if we
can't get black history in our boods, we're gonna not
know our history. It should be black history classes popping

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up elsewhere everywhere. And then also he wanted to know about, okay,
about the crime and our Chief Chief Davis, black female,
so called black females. She so in Memphis, over fifty
percent of the murders that happened, and he said domestic.

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But to take that a step further, they know each other.
Over fifty percent of the people who are killing each
other in Memphis they know each other. And so we
need conflict resolution, We need to deal with the trauma
and just unpacked that whole piece. But yes, that is unfortunate,

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and the question is why can't people get along?

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Why do they resort to a.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Gun rather than storming out the house or going to
another room and cooling off, or you know what I'm saying.
So interpersonal relationships are in crises in our community as well.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Yeah, that's an issue we have to confront and only
us can solve that problem. Eight away from the top,
there are with Memphis City Councilorman Pearl Walker, sister for
him is checking in from Washington, DC's online seven Grand
Rising system for Heim along with city Councilor Walker.

Speaker 20 (01:26:05):
Yeah, good morning, mister Nelson, and good morning to your guests.
And I'm not from Tennessee, but I have a good friend,
doctor Thomas Moseley, who was a professor at Howard Well.
He did his PhD at Howard and was at University
of Maryland and has since retired and returned home to Memphis.

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Part of the problem with the crime, particularly the ones
associated with guns, his back, and I would hope this
city council first woman would.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Speak to this.

Speaker 20 (01:26:36):
Right after the school shooting a few years ago that
the two justices were protesting, the governor allowed permitless guns
to be He put in a law with you don't
need to have a permit, there's no regulation required to
carry a weapon. And then most recently, there was an

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effort to stop people from taking their guns into public parks.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
And the courts.

Speaker 20 (01:27:04):
Overruled that. So that's part of the problem. You don't
have sensible gun control making sure that people you know
that have mental health issues don't have access to it.
Screening people just make sure that they don't have felonies.
But if you have a permit list and anyone can carry,

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you don't need to permit, You're gonna have the wild
wild West. That's part of the problem. Can you can
you speak to that? And also, I don't know if
you know, why are they one of the justices? They're
kind of like trying to disenfranchise them again. You know,
there was a project that was in his district and

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they barred him from participating and going into the meeting.
Could you please speak to those two issues as to
the permitless guns in the state of Tennessee and why
are they disenfranchising one of the justices justicness, So.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Thank you for those questions. Yes, the gun laws, that's
the pink elephant in the room actually Tennessee. So what
she's referring to is that Tennessee is a constitutional carry
state where anyone, any one over the age of twenty
one can lawfully who can lawfully possess a firearm, can

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carry and conceal their working without a license. So yeah,
that has turned us into the wild wild West. These
young people are getting these guns and they do what
they do, what they do, and it has had a
major negative impact on the city. And this was a

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state law. This was a state law, and we be too,
what was this intentional? Has this been intentional? And I
don't I don't want to say that this was intentional,
But they knew that there were people who lobbied against
this over a period of time and still are now
still doing so. And they knew the impact they were

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told if they didn't know, they were, they knew of
the impact that this was going to have on the
city of Memphis, and they still passed this law, and
so and what and and and then when you think
about the police out there, it's it's and and they're

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more guarded because they know that they're the likelihood of
them coming up on people who who are armed, that
does exist.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
But yeah, that has.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
Crippled us in a variety of ways. Permanently carry.

Speaker 10 (01:29:55):
I encourage people to.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Google handgun and gun laws in the state of Tennessee.
And then her other question, she wanted to know, what
does she say I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
The two justices were in the news nationally. Yeah yeah,
and hold up through right, they hold that responsor that
council Wan Walker, we got to check the traffic and
weather one more time. I'll let you respond to that
when we get back. Family, you two can join our
discussion with Memphis City council Woman Pearl Walker. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
to seventy six, and we'll take a phone calls after
the traffic and weather update. That's next and ground Rising

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family factually rolling with us on this Thursday morning, and
we're speaking with a benefa City Councilwoman Pearl Walker. Mama
tell her we're gonna speak with doctor Jerald Horn. But
counsel Woman Walker, I want to respond to system for
Haemus and question about the two justices.

Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
I had a question.

Speaker 20 (01:30:46):
I had a follow up really quickly. Two points actually
is not twenty one, it's eighteen. And the other thing
gives a new law that says that you have to
be a citizen. In order to get a permit, you
had to present of citizenships. And I just think it's
very telling that they don't want to regulate anyone in

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the saying if you're eighteen years old, you can have
you don't need to permit to have a weapon. But
they're making a citizen requirement proof of citizenship to access weapons.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
All right, let's give a chance to respond. Thank you,
sister for Hima.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Yes, as I said, these gun laws in Tennessee, they
are not they are not in the best entriest They
are not keeping people safe. The Council we did sponsor well,
we actually found a lawsuit against the state to be
able to put an item on the ballot last year,

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and we won the lawsuit. But they were trying to
once again just you know, with these gun laws. I
just didn't have that in front of me to speak
to a specific The Council did foul a lawsuit against
the election Commission, and we were able to get something
on the ballot that gives us the option to create

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some laws as it relates to our gun safety locally
and with respect to Representative Justin Jones. So you have
Justin Jones, Representative Justin Jones, and then Representative Justin Pearson
who is out of Memphis, and the first data center

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that I spoke to earlier is actually in his district.
Where he grew up not too far from so he's
been very passionate about speaking out against that. So but
as it relates to Representative Justin Jones, So back in July,
there was a press conference held in Nashville and he

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wasn't allowed to attend the press conference. It was it
was held by the Tennessee Highway and the Department of
Homeland Security, and the fact that he wasn't allowed in,
he said that it was racial profiling and he wanted
to act Secretary the name is Christis gno Hims right like,

(01:33:18):
and he wanted to ask the secretary about immigration and
customs enforcement laws where that's ICE operations that are affecting
his constituents. And the the one they were meeting about
it was a public private partnership with Elon Musk Boring

(01:33:40):
Company b O R I n G. And it was
about them building an underground tunnel from a location to
the airport, and that's what they were meeting about. But
they they didn't He wasn't there too for that. But yeah,

(01:34:00):
he was trying to get personal access to the Homeland
Security Secretary know Hims once again to ask about how
ICE had been affecting constituents in his district.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
All right, Tweeter says that you mentioned that some of
the highlights of places of black folks would visit in Memphishi.
They say you didn't mention the Civil Rights Museum, Stacks Records,
or Bill Street.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
No, I didn't, but I can't say everything. The time
is limited. But yeah, Mill Street that's downtown, that's going
to be impacted. That's one of our yet another one
of our tourist events, and the Civil Rights Museum that's downtown.
For all of that, I just don't have time to
toy name everything. And beyond what that person just mentioned,

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they are even more places. Yes, the Stax Museum definitely,
and I'm very closely related to that area. My mother
taught school in that area. I grew up not too
far from the museum. So yes, thank you all of that.
It's gonna affect all I did say tourism, so that
encompasses all of that, and thank you for mentioning those.

(01:35:11):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
All right, I thought right there, Uh, City Council, City
councilor in Pearl Walker Jim is joining us from Baltimore
online too, Grand Rising Gama, you want a city council
in Pearl Walker.

Speaker 14 (01:35:25):
Grand Rising brother Carl Nelson Grand Rising, my beautiful sister, her.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Grand rising to you, my sister, how are you wonderful?

Speaker 14 (01:35:42):
I'm sorry. I walked at my house after I dropped
my granddaughter off to school, and here I hear Pearl
Walker from Tennis. I said, what so family out there
in radio lends. This is a fire starter of a sister.
She don't play.

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
I just left her.

Speaker 14 (01:36:01):
Maybe two days ago in Memphis.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
We were breaking bread.

Speaker 8 (01:36:07):
There are some major, major beautiful They may not be
visible in the sense of the way Miss council woman
Walker is, but they do beautiful work.

Speaker 14 (01:36:18):
In Memphis, Tennessee. And there's a lot of history in Memphis.
And there's a brother down there. And I don't want
to say too much that if you get if Pearl
could ever hook you up with this brother and take
you on a tour of Memphis because of his innate
knowledge about Memphis. He was there during the time when

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Martin Luther King was assassinated. His knowledge is superb in
this area. And he knows the history of Memphis. He
knows the back history of his Memphis is just beautiful
to be there and Miss In and hear what was

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shared with me when I came to Memphis, And I
wouldn't want to say to you, keep on doing what
you're doing, peerl because you are where you're supposed to
be and you are doing what you're supposed to do.
I just want to say, one of the things that
really lit my mind when I was there was the
situation around traffic lights and not using your horn. You

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got to share that with the family, with the Carl
Melton family. It's kind of funny, but it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:37:32):
It's kind of dangerous.

Speaker 14 (01:37:34):
And that's the thing that you might want warm floks
about when they come to Memphis because they don't play with.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
That horn and leaning on the horn.

Speaker 14 (01:37:42):
But other than that, I have a great time in Memphis,
great fool Bolash is amazing and I just can't wait
to see you again when you come up here. We're
gonna show you a good old time when you come
to do the Black Hawkers in DC. And we love
you and I love you too.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Thank you. I love you as well. So I guess
I'll speak to the the tour and I don't think
he would mind us mentioning his name, but that she's
referencing al Lewis. Al Lewis is one of the founders
of an organization called in With Journey. In in Ujima

(01:38:22):
and I are are members of that organization, and so
part of what we do is we get trained and
we help people. We have occasions twice a year where
people are able to look at their lives and the
organization is Inward Journey dot org. But it gives people

(01:38:46):
an opportunity to take a look at their lives. And
for many when they take that look, they're they're looking
at some trauma that they have experienced. So we are
trained trauma facilitators. We help people, We support people identifying
and mitigating their trauma. And if you live in least

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United States of America, you have experienced trauma, more so
for certain demographics than others. But that's who she's speaking to.
And al Lewis is one of the founders, and he
does an amazing job with his tour of his historical
tour of Memphis.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
All right, and before we let you go, you're going
to be at the Black Caucus right next week.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
I'm going to be at the Black Caucus next week.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Yes, all right, we'll see when you come to town.
Thank you. City Council Woman Walker, thank you for sharing
your thoughts for us this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
Okay, can I give some contact them faults?

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
The number is nine zero one two eight nine six
nine zero nine nine oh one two eight nine six
nine zero nine and the email is Walker Group nine
zero one w A L K E R G R
O U nine zero one at gmail dot com. But

(01:40:15):
if y'all want to connect or you want to find
out how you can support me and my work here locally,
just reach out via phone or email. And thank you
so much, mister Nelson. This was absolutely wonderful and so.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Are you, and I want to you know, when you
come back, I want to talk about the environmental issues
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Next time we have you on absolutely and shout out
to Curtis. Thank you, Curtis. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Thank you, Thank you for real all right family ten
after that, top, Doctor Gerald Horn, Grand Rising, thank you
for being so patient with us this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
Thank you boy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Pardon me, Doctor Gerald Horn. Doctor JERL. Horn is an
Africana Studies professor at the University of Houston. As usual,
we cover a lot of ground with the Horn and
even Mark Manheim sent me a question for you. Doctor
I told him you were coming on. But let let's
get started. The recent AU Carricom summit. Can you tell
us what went down to that meeting?

Speaker 16 (01:41:12):
Well, this was of stored important this meeting in out
of Apa, Ethiopia between the four dozen plus members of
the African Union and the Caribbean Community of Caracom led
by Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad, et cetera. A key item on
the agenda was reparations to the descendants of enslaved Africans,

(01:41:34):
coming to a consensus with regard to that. But coincidentally enough,
inaugurated at the time of this summit was a major project.
I'm speaking of the Grand Renaissance Dam, which will provide
electricity not only too many households in Ethiopia, but throughout
the sub region. This will be a stimulus to economic

(01:41:55):
growth and productivity. And we should congrats actuate our Ethiopia
brothers and sisters for this project.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
But Egypt is not played with it. Can we can
we reference that such as you know.

Speaker 16 (01:42:11):
Egypt has had problems with Ethiopia going back century, so
this is just the latest wrinkle. But Egypt, if you
ask me, needs to focus on Israel rather than focusing
on Ethiopia. Uh, and I would like to think that
that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
Yeah. Back to the meeting though at the AU and
CARA com whether Sahu states present or their action from
that meeting.

Speaker 16 (01:42:38):
Well, certainly representatives not only representatives of the Stile States
and representatives of all the major nations on the continent,
including Kenya, South Africa, Nigeria, et cetera, but also friends
and allies from around the world for example. So this
was a gigantic step forward of the reparations. And I

(01:42:59):
should also stay there was a delegation of black Americans there,
not least from Berkeley, California, my old stuffing ground, and
so we're part of that story too.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Yeah. I think brother cam Howd was there, which I
got to check with him because I saw he post
some stuff, so he might have been there as well.
Back to the AU though, they had an observer status
for Israel and Haiti wanted to get in on the
platform as well. What's going on with that? Can you
give us an update?

Speaker 16 (01:43:27):
Well, you know, the United States, as we all know,
puts pressure on all sorts of nations and bodies to
admit Israel and the Applican Union has not been able
to withstand that pressure altogether. However, with regard to the diaspora,

(01:43:47):
one of the regions of the Applican Union is precisely
the diaspora, which of course includes Haiti. That's one of
the reasons why Caracom was invited to this meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
Is Cuba part of.

Speaker 5 (01:44:02):
I believe so, although I believe so, it should be
if it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Yeah, Actually, what I understand is that the United States
has put you mentioned putting pressure, putting pressure on any
of these these Caribbean countries and the African countries who
accept the help from from Cuba, from Cuban doctors, the
overseas doctors. They have a program where they send their
doctors their medical teams overseas to help Black nations. And
Donald Trump's administration is threatening them if they do accept

(01:44:31):
any help from Cuba. Have you heard about that?

Speaker 16 (01:44:34):
Well, sure, Mark or Rubio, who as you know, is
the Secretary of State and the National Security Advisor and
has roots in pre revolutionary Cuba. That's putting enormous pressure
on nations in the Hemisphere concerning relations with Havana, that
includes the other giant of the hemisphere, as well, speaking
of Brazil, because Cuba sends doctors there as well. But

(01:45:00):
I think that the United States is really overreached with
regard to the pressure on Brazil. You might have seen
the story in the New York Times the other day
about how seybean farmers and the Dakotas are suffering because
China has shifted the purchase of soybeans from the Dakotas
to Brazil, and that is an ongoing trend.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Fifteen at the top of that with doctor Horn, Doctor
Gerald Horn speaking about Brazil. What's going on with Brazil
bowing scenario, the new president there, what's going on with
those fights in Brazil.

Speaker 16 (01:45:33):
Well, what's interesting is that, just like on January sixth,
twenty twenty one, you had an attempted coup by a
defeated candidate speaking of mister Trump, a year or so
later you had an attempted coup by defeated candidate speaking
of mister Bolsonaro, one of mister Trump's closest comrades in
the Hemisphere. But unlike the United States, where mister Trump

(01:45:55):
was returned to office in January twenty twenty five, mister
Ronaro is going to be spending hard time in prison.
He got a twenty seven year prison term as a
result of this failed coup, which also involved attempted murder
plots against the winner, President Lula Gasilva, for example, attempted
murder plots against Supreme Court.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
Justices, for example. So Brazil has.

Speaker 16 (01:46:19):
Obviously outstripped the United States and being an exemplar of democracy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Sixteen alf the top. Then, real quick, I understand that
Marco Rubio's will pull their visas if they want to
come because of what happened. Was it in Venezuela or
was it in Brazil?

Speaker 16 (01:46:35):
Well, it's both. As you know, the United States has
nuclear submarchines off the coast of Venezuela right now and
is threatening invasion. It's been attacking SA Vigian boats even
as they're retreating to Venezuelan's shores. But I don't think
that mister Trump wants a part of a military conflict
with Venezuela. At least I hope he has enough good

(01:46:57):
sense to realize that all we don't wind up doing
it's getting a lot of US sailors and soldiers killed.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Oh I thought, right there, we gotta step aside. For
a few moments ago, let's stay in that region for
a little bit because closely to that Trinitydad and Tobago
is an island set of islands close by, and their
leader is approving of Donald Trump, and it's causing some
problems down there, you know, Donald Trump stopping where they
call the smugglers or drug smugglers. I want you to
address that. When we get back, family, you two can
join our conversation with our guest that doctor Jerald Horn.

(01:47:27):
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. And when we take
all of your phone calls next and grand rising family,
thanks for staying with us on this Thursday morning of
this nineteenth day of September twenty twenty five. Our guess
is doctor Jeryl Horne. He's an Africana studies profession at
the University of Houston, is also an attorney. Call up
a couple of friends and tell them that doctor Horn's
on radio. They'll thank you because they're going to learn

(01:47:49):
a lot with doctor Horn. We go in national, international, local,
We do it all sports books. Any questions you have
on any subject, Doctor Horn can respond. Doctor Hornbefore we
left for the for the Breakers, was asking about the
reaction in that region with Venezuela, with Trump shooting down
those Venezuelan boats and close by trend down to Tobago,

(01:48:10):
the leader. It's a proven it's causing some dissension on
the Twin Isle. The folks are saying that they don't
support Donald Trump shooting those boats because those were those
weren't elicit drug running. Those were just playing fishermen, is
what Venezuela said. Your thoughts on that issue?

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
Yes, boys the east side.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Boysh Kevin, we're getting some cross stock here. Boy, something
happened to we're getting some cross stock here, so hopefully
we can get that out, so another stations come in. Okay,
thanks Kevin. Doctor Horne, did you hear the question of

(01:48:52):
the host and doctor Horney still with us? Have we
lost doctor Horn.

Speaker 5 (01:49:04):
For the talk to stop?

Speaker 9 (01:49:07):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Okay, all right, go ahead, doctor Horn.

Speaker 16 (01:49:13):
Well, yes, it's quite unfortunate the response of the government
in Trinidad and Tobago to these assaults in Venezuela by Washington.
We know, of course that there are tensions between Venezuela
and its neighbor. Speaking of Guyana, Venezuela claimed a good
deal of Guyanese territory. And I presume that Trinidad and

(01:49:36):
Tobago sees itself as standing alongside Guyana with regard to
this territorial dispute. But in any case, it's quite unfortunate
because what Trinidad and Tobago is doing is encouraging aggression
and ultimately that we're down to the detriment Tobago.

Speaker 18 (01:49:56):
Do.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
I apologized because we as cross stark head, doctor, and
I apologize for that as well. Twenty three minutes after
the top there, let's go to line one. Kevin, one
Buffalo soldiers calling from Alabama has a question for doctor Horn.
Grand Rising, one Buffalo soldier a question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 21 (01:50:14):
Ah, Yes, good morning, Grand Rising. I like to listen
to you on a role in more than my my
brother doctor and Gaza. One of my friends sent me
a text the other day and they said that in
the neighborhood of Gaza that they have black people there
and they're called al Abide, which means plays in Arabic.

(01:50:36):
Is that true a community and Gaza possibly could be
holding our brothers and sisters. I don't know, and I'm
asking you and you have a good morning, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Did you have a question, doctor Horn. Did you hear
the question.

Speaker 14 (01:50:54):
With us?

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
We're gonna again, yeah, because we have some technical issues here.
Repeat the question again for doctor Horn.

Speaker 21 (01:51:06):
Yes, sir, my brother, God bless you. My friend sent
me a text and he said, in the neighborhood of
Gaza is called l B, which means slave in Arabic.
Do you have any knowledge of this?

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
Sir? Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
I think we lost. I think we lost, doctor Horn.

Speaker 21 (01:51:35):
You've basically got my question, the writes her.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
No, no, actually, I actually actually I was speaking with
the engineer in the studio. But I hate to do
this year, but can you repeat it one more time?

Speaker 21 (01:51:48):
Yes, and Gaza a neighborhood of blacks bear and they're
called l B, which means slave in Arabic. And I'm
trying to give some truth to this here because my
an is talking a lot of myths and he's a Republican.

Speaker 5 (01:52:05):
Question.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
All right, doctor Horne, did you hear the question?

Speaker 5 (01:52:12):
No, You're gonna have to repeat it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Okay, I'm sorry the third time around, but go ahead,
one Buffalo soldier the question one more time. I think
he's gone. He repeated twice, but we had some technical issues.
There is something to do with Gaza. So what is
the very latest in Gaza.

Speaker 16 (01:52:35):
The very latest is that the United Nations Body has
ruled that what's going on in historic Palestine is a genocide.
At the same time, we already know that an indictment
is hanging over the head of Prime Minister Natiyaki. We
also know that just a day or two ago in

(01:52:56):
Doha and Gutter, which was recently attacked by Israel, despite
the fact that the United States that as Doha to
play a mediating role with regard to the conflict with
a mosque, that there was a meeting of fifty eight
different Muslim and Arab states. We know that coming out
of that session is a new military pack between Pakistan,

(01:53:21):
which has one of the strongest militaries in the world,
not only in the sub region, and Saudi Arabia, which
has reason to believe that it too could be on
the hit list with regard to an Israeli attack. So
the Israelis really need to cool their jets. But I'm
afraid the state that that may be asking too much.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Well in that attack, though, did they inform Trump that
they were going to go into a sovereign country and
make that attack.

Speaker 16 (01:53:49):
That is the allegation. Mister Trump denies that that is
the case. But as we know, the United States has
major military bases in Gutter and Gutter, thought that that
would provides some sort of protection against Israeli attacks, and
that proved to be an illusion. Obviously, mister Trump is
playing to trying to play both sides of the fence.

(01:54:10):
In terms of playing both sides of the fence. I'm
sure you saw that story the other day about how
the United Arab Immirates has invested biggins of dollars in
his cryptocurrency fund. And at the same time, mister Trump
went against the advice of his counselors and advisors by
allowing Nvidia, a major producer of these chips so important

(01:54:33):
to artificial intelligence, allowing these chips to be sold to
the United Arab Emirates. It's sort of a tit for tat,
a sort of quick pro quote, despite the fact that
advisers thought that UAE is much too close to China
and that these chips could leak to China and correct me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
If I'm wrong. Isn't Guitar the same country that promised
or is given Donald Trump some sort of sophiciic game plane.

Speaker 16 (01:54:58):
Hundreds of millions of dollars is the price tag on
this flying palace in the sky that gutter has gifted
to mister Trump, which is now being refurbished, presumably for
his post presidential use.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
All right, twenty and a half the top of their families,
I mess. You can learn a lot with doctor Gerald Horn.
You can reach us at eight hundred and four five
zero seventy eight seventy six. One Buffalo Soldiers returned. We
didn't get his question fully about Gaza, and he's online
one so hate to do this for the third time, Robert,
Let's try it again, one Buffalo soldier, your question for
doctor Horn, Good.

Speaker 21 (01:55:37):
Morning, doctor Horn. Third is a charm my friend who's
the Republican Party. He told me that in God's the neighborhood,
they have black that are there, and they're in a
neighborhood that's called al bed a l a b e
ed which means slave and Arabic. Do you know anything

(01:55:58):
about that so I can talk to you know.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
And have a good day.

Speaker 16 (01:56:01):
Sure well, certainly there are black Gosins. There are black Palestinians,
and they are suffering like all Palestinians. There is hunger
and family stalking that territory. You might have seen the
pictures of their being expelled in the process of being
a spelled which is obviously has been outrageous to many

(01:56:24):
Arab countries as well. So that's what you should share
with your Republicans friends.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
It seems like, you know, I keep hearing that about
Blacks of being held as slaves. When you hear stories
as wild as that, you always making hm hm. Who
benefits from a story like that? And he told the
person who told us so, it doesn't take two to
put two and two together. Why they're trying to get
black people to go against the Palestinian brothers and sisters

(01:56:53):
in Gaza, but by Sandy Gazans holding black Palestinians as slaves. Guys,
you just gotta do It's got how do you use
some logic? He and he nearly fuller to come back
and help us out figure that out. It's not even
a question. Thirty minutes off the top there. That family,
I guess is doctor Gerald Horn. Doctor Horn. It's come
closer to home now that the High Quarters upheld racial profiling.

(01:57:16):
Can you explain what's going on to that? Should we
be concerned?

Speaker 16 (01:57:20):
We should definitely be concerned. What happened is, as you know,
there have been the so called immigration rates by ICE
Immigration and custom Customs Enforcement, and the US Supreme Court
basically said that if a person is speaking Spanish or
quote looks Mexican unquote or looks Latino unquote, that provides

(01:57:41):
a kind of reasonable suspicion that they may be here illegally,
and therefore I can question them, perhaps even detain them.
We recall that it was not so long ago under
Mayor Bloomberg in New York City, that there was a
similar regime concerning stop and first concerning young black Myth,

(01:58:03):
which was an exemplar an example of racial profiling. This
obviously has to stop. But Justice Kavanaugh has basically put
his sign of authenticity on this unfair practice.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
And I got to ask you this question. This is
sort of a connecting the dots here at twenty nine
away from the top of this talk in the administration
that they would to seize our passports if we go
to travel or coming back into the country, then look
at media platforms. What we do is set on social media.
If he doesn't agree and line up with their thoughts,
they're going to take our passports. Away and allow us

(01:58:42):
not to leave or allow us not to come in.
If you heard any stories like that.

Speaker 16 (01:58:46):
I've heard those stories, and if you had asked me
a year or so ago, I would have dismissed those stories.
There's nothing but poppy coop. But under this lawless regime
in Washington, with a Supreme Court that willing to put
its imprimature on just about any action that mister Trump proposes,
we cannot dismiss this out of hand. We have to

(01:59:08):
take it very seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
And having said that, they're sending some of the deportees
that they came into the country illegally and sending them
to Africa. What do you know about that, doctor Horne.

Speaker 16 (01:59:20):
Well, recently Ghana chose to accept some deportees who have
roots in West Africa. As you know, mister Abrego Garcia,
the man from Maryland in your neck of the woods,
who the United States has been seeking to deport, they're
threatening to send him to Southern Africa, to the nation
formerly known as Swaziland. Rwanda has chosen to accept deportees

(01:59:45):
from the United States as well as Uganda. And we
also know that's successfully quote unquote sent to Jabouti in
East Africa and then on to South Sudad. We're also
a number of deportees, some of whom roots in the Caribbean.
So once again, this is lawless behavior, or at least

(02:00:05):
it would have been lawless behavior as recently as a
year ago.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
Yeah, bo, what's the deal with the dude from Maryland?

Speaker 18 (02:00:12):
Though?

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
It seems like are they trying to prove a point
with him? Is he trying to make him an example
of something?

Speaker 5 (02:00:19):
Oh? I think so.

Speaker 16 (02:00:20):
I think so they're trying to as you know, you
used to beat one slave to keep the entire plantation
in line, and so mister Abrigo Garcia is getting a
beat down, and it is thought that that will intimidate
others who might be reluctant across the border, just like
mister Trump has decorated the children from their parents as

(02:00:44):
a deterrent to keep people from crossing the border without papers.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
Yeah, twenty six Away from the top of mostly we've
been talking about the southern border, doctor Horne, But what
about the northern border. Is there a crackdown over there
on the northern part of the country as well. We're
just not being talked about.

Speaker 5 (02:01:02):
You know, well, not to the same degree.

Speaker 16 (02:01:05):
As you know, before returning to the United States in
August last month, I was spending most of the year
in Canada, and there were many complaints from Canadians about
how they were mistreated in this fact. That's that a
downside impact on tourism because Canadians spend a lot of
money in Arizona. They spent a lot of money in Florida,

(02:01:26):
and now these so called snowbirds are not traveling to
those warm weather sites. Canadians are not spending as much
money on Kentucky bourbon and other spirits, which is having
a tremendous impact on the alcohol industry. So yeah, there
is a crackdown on the northern border, but not to
the same degree as on the southern border.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
Got you eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy sixth got a tweet question from Darren Foy said,
tweet it down, says, please ask doctor Horn why Dylan Ruth,
who killed the black parishioners at Ami Church in Carolina,
South Carolina, has not yet been executed.

Speaker 16 (02:02:05):
Well, as you know, there had been a moratorium on
executions from Democratic presidents, and now that a Republican president
in his office, I dare say that mister Trump, at
least some of his minions and supporters or reluctant to
see Dylan Roof go to the electric chair, and that

(02:02:29):
is one of the reasons why he's still alive.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
Do you've sense a shift in policies when it comes
to race in this country, doctor harn You know, I
guess I do, and many of our listeners do as well.
I'm just wondering, how do you see from where you sit.

Speaker 16 (02:02:49):
Well, I think there's definitely a shift. I think that
we're in a brave new world. Now, we're in a
different planet right now, you see it. With regard to
this controversy discerning Charlie Kirk, you know that Jimmy Kimmel,
the late night host, was just suspended by ABC from
making a really mild joke about mister Trump and his

(02:03:12):
relationship to Charlie Kirk. You have teachers losing their jobs,
You have people losing their jobs all over the country
because of a failure to bow down to the memory
of Charlie Kirk, who was no friend of black people.
As a matter of fact, he was notorious for denouncing
Martin Luther King. He was notorious for saying that when
he got on an airplane and he saw a black pilot,

(02:03:34):
that he got nervous because he assumed that he was
not there because of his talent and skill, but because
he was a so called diversity higher, meaning that he
was not necessarily qualified.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
Right and hold up though, right there, we'll get into
Charlie Kirk in the moment. We got to step aside
for a few moments. Though, Family, you two can join
our discussion with doctor Gerald Horn. Reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take a calls next un rising family,
Thanks are rolling with us on this Thursday morning with
our guest, the doctor Gerald Horn. Doctor Joel Horn at
University of Houston is a professor. There's also an attorney

(02:04:07):
as well. Any question you want on the Under the
Sun you can post the doctor Horne Entertainment, Sports and
it's got a couple of books that we want to
talk to them before he leaves. And also hang from
Anaheims sent me a question for you, doctor Horn. But
we do that though. Let me just remind folks that
tomorrow's Friday. We're going to give you a chance to
free your mind and join us for our open PHL
on Friday program again at six am Eastern time right
here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB. I'm also on

(02:04:30):
the DMV on FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifty w L before we left discussing the Charlie
Kirk issue. And people have lost their jobs over discussing
Charlie Kirk because they what they do, they get their
personal thoughts involved. So what we're going to share is
just going to be the facts, you know, because straight
up with the facts. As you know as a journalists,

(02:04:51):
you know you've got to stay with the facts. You're
gonna be no slander or libel. And if the facts
ain't correct, doctor Horner will share with this, with this
too to be done with reckless disregard for the truth
and meaning that you know it's wrong, but she still
did it. But anyway, doctor Honk can confer with that.
But again, which with Charlie Curk because she's a private
citizen and flags are half staff or half half staff

(02:05:15):
on federal gun. He didn't work for the fail gun,
is a private citizen, and people who say something about
a private sitting are losing their jobs. With with the
with the Jimmy Kimmel effort. What's behind the scenes is,
I'm don't know if you know this, though, the Next
Star wants a lot of TV stations and many of
their affiliates are ABC affiliates, So they pulled Jimmy Kimmel's show,

(02:05:38):
and the network decided to do the same. And the
reason why Next Star is trying to do a deal
with Tegner six point two billion dollars, So they hopefully
they're trying to curry favor with Trump's FCC. And again
these are just Fax family. You can look and look
it up, and all these facts checkers on the other
side look it up as well. So they hope they're
doing this. They will. You'll get them, grant them a

(02:05:59):
favorite to to make that deal go through by throwing
a bone, by acting one of the persons who speak
out against the Donald Trump and the Trump musium. So
let me just put that out there, Doctor Morney want
to respond to anything I just said.

Speaker 16 (02:06:12):
Well, also on the media front, you probably know that
the family of Larry Elliphant, who as of last week
was the richest man of the world, the passing Elon Musk,
has just bought paramount which controls CBS, and we called
it a few months ago of Paramount CBS sacked Stephen Colbert,
another late night talk show hosts, not least because of

(02:06:37):
his antipathy to mister Trump, but the plot thicket because
Charlie Kirk in August twenty twenty five was called on
the carpet by Bill Ackman, who is one of the
leading Zionists biginaires. Because Charlie Kirk has become a staunch
critic of what Israel.

Speaker 5 (02:06:58):
Is doing in Gonzip.

Speaker 16 (02:07:00):
You know, his comrade is the black woman flamethrower, Canvas Owens,
and she has been talking up a storm about this,
raising questions about the traditional narrative, the traditional narratives being
the Tyler Robinson, now under arrest operated alone. I have

(02:07:21):
no opinion with regard to that. I'm just reporting what
canvas Owens is saying. And another wrinkle with regard to
this whole controversy is that canvas Owens is a converted Catholic.
Charlie Kirk was on the route to becoming seen and

(02:07:41):
this raises questions in light of the fact that the
Vatican has been also rather critical of what Israel is
doing in Gaza, whereas Protestant Christians such as Mike Huckabee,
the US Ambassador to Israel, have been on board with
regard to side.

Speaker 5 (02:08:00):
So there are many aspects of the story that have
yet to be ventilated, but I'm sure will come to
the surface in coming days and weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
All right, and everything we say about him hold the
Charlie Kirk Folks, it's in the news. Another issue too,
since she means in Israel. It's caused up and Netniao
to come out and publicly say that Israel that the
missile had nothing to do with the shooting.

Speaker 5 (02:08:23):
So that was very curious, was it not. I mean,
nobody at that point had.

Speaker 16 (02:08:31):
Accused Israel of being the shooter. It reminds me the
old thing, the guilty fleet. Would no man pursue us?

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
So true? I think that's in the Bible eight hundred
and for five zero seventy eight seventy six, fourteen and
a half fourtun away from the top there, Brother and
Kosy's calling us from Chicago is online one grand Rising,
Brother and Kossy you're on with doctor Horn.

Speaker 18 (02:08:53):
Grid Rising and Jumbo and do boos Uh. You know,
I don't discriminately when it comes together and of information.
And so I was listening to far right, you know broadcasters,
and uh, there are those over the far right. Now

(02:09:13):
you've got to remember that Nati's are part of the
far right, and there are those that are cocus make
me out and uh, and as well as the conspiracy
founds it. It's the U picture of the Nazis. They
accuse me, now, who in my massade of uh doing

(02:09:36):
a lot of things influence American politics to a low
degree in accinating this guy. Uh, but you know that's
just an assign from what I wanted to talk about.
I did hear one of the leaders and one of
the major militias in this country say that Trump should

(02:09:57):
sends the National Guards military to Planada border and Mexico
border to keep out immigrants. And then just a week
before I heard that, I heard that there was zero
crossings of immigrants across the border. And so I thought,
what would be the purpose of militarizing the border if

(02:10:18):
there are zero immigrant crossings? And if it's a theory
of something I heard back in the sixties when I
was active in politics, of keeping us in the country
while things are going on in the country, that we
wouldn't like. But then again, on a lander till I

(02:10:38):
haven't heard much about it. But there's a guy by
the name of chairs Cramford and he moved up two
weight classes to defeat a long standing super middleweight or
everyweight campion, and he defeated this guy and he hasn't
lost yet, and nobody's talking about the brother was going

(02:10:58):
on that, doctor horn.

Speaker 16 (02:11:03):
Well, I agree with you really regard to Terrence Crawler.
He has to be in the conversation when you talk
about the greatest fighters of all time, when you talk
about the greatest fighters pounds for pound, in the conversation
with the late.

Speaker 5 (02:11:16):
Great Sugar Ray Robinson. Carl perhaps you can.

Speaker 16 (02:11:19):
Validate this story. But I've read an article that suggests
that the once Terrence Crawford was shot in the head,
but he drove himself to the hospital to be treated. Now,
there's a.

Speaker 5 (02:11:30):
Lot of talks about tough guys, but I've never heard
a story like that before.

Speaker 18 (02:11:36):
I heard that one too.

Speaker 1 (02:11:38):
Yeah, I heard that too as well. Thank you.

Speaker 21 (02:11:43):
And Kochydia is not giving him any coverage.

Speaker 1 (02:11:46):
Right, they're not giving any props, you're right, and received
you know, basically pittance to what Canal received for that fight.
Is there any talk of a rematch? Do you know
of a rematch at Doctor Horn?

Speaker 16 (02:12:00):
How don't think Canoo wants them? What's the rematch with
the Crawford After that beatdown he just seem, I mean,
put on a masterclass with regard to that fight. Even
Canelo conceded. Then the thing about Crawford is that he
can give you a beatdown or he can't finesse you,
depending upon who he's fighting. He can fight in an

(02:12:23):
ambi destrious faction. But it's the thing he can fight
with his right hand, he can fight with his left hand.
As I said, he needs to be in the conversation
much more.

Speaker 5 (02:12:32):
Than he has been.

Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
I agreed, Thank you, brother, and Cosey all righty. You know,
back back to that Yahoo Mandani the leader in the
for the race for the mayor of New York City.
He's reiterated he says if he wins, becomes mayor and
comes to New York, he's going to arrest him. He
comes to the city, He's going to arrest him. I
want to get your thoughts on that, because you know

(02:12:56):
that there's a lot as a huge Jewish population in
the York City, especially in Brooklyn where most of them are.
And I may control a lot of what's going on
in the media and Wall Street, but he hasn't back down.
He says, if Natanyao comes to New York City, he's
going to be arrested. Your thoughts doing well.

Speaker 16 (02:13:13):
I heard that story as well. Mister Mumdani, who was
the odds on favor to become the next occitant of
City Hall, it's really going to have difficulty putting his
staff on the NYPD because it's full of right wingers.

Speaker 10 (02:13:27):
We'll call.

Speaker 16 (02:13:27):
When you had the first black mayor, David Dinkins, they
were up in arms against Mayor Dinkins, leaning directly to
the victory of Rudolph Giuliani, who of course succeeded and
followed David Dinkins. But I s lute mister Mundani for
his church and making such a statement in the face

(02:13:49):
of stiff opposition.

Speaker 1 (02:13:52):
Got you nine away from the top of that. Anita's
checking in. She's calling from Chapel Hill in North Carolina.
She's online two gran Rise and Sister Anita, your question
for doctor Horn.

Speaker 5 (02:14:02):
Good morning on GIRN Rising. Isla Malancum too.

Speaker 15 (02:14:06):
I'm must now what I want to say is the
mayor of New York, the current mayor, he was helping
Turkey or doing things with Turkish people, and they were
rewarding him, which is what white guys do all the time, Okay,
to end up in the billions.

Speaker 22 (02:14:27):
Okay.

Speaker 15 (02:14:28):
And don't you think he's being shifted around like they're
doing Fallon and Colbert, because he's not supposed to do
what another man tells him not to do. As though
he's a child, he's an adult. He's capable of making decisions.
They allowed him to be the mayor of New York.
So and I'm very worried about this because he man

(02:14:50):
the Mohammed, which was Elijah Muhammad's son. I saw him
a couple of weeks before he passed from that, okay,
and I asked him what was he going to say
about the Middle East? And he said that Turkey wanted
to have something to do with the peace process of
the Middle East. And I said, well, are you going
to say it? Because I was gonna ask him to
go on wherever and our.

Speaker 5 (02:15:11):
Show with me.

Speaker 15 (02:15:12):
And he said no, he said, you say it, and
then he was gone. In two weeks he had passed away, Okay,
so I'm worried about the mayor of New York and
what's happening to him. I don't need man Donnie to
speak for me necessarily, Okay, you know what I'm saying.
I don't like this shifting our people around when they
have positions and since to handle peace better than bombs

(02:15:36):
and explosions all day long, which is killing the budget
of American people and school children.

Speaker 1 (02:15:42):
All right, let's give him a chance for spying, thank you, Anita.
And of course he's referring to Eric Adams, and she
keeps saying the mayor of New York. We just mentioned
his name. I'll add this and let you respond to
this as well, doctor Horne, as well as Anita's question,
because they've talked to trying to get him to drop
out of the race, that the Trump Administration's are offered
him several jobs and he's holding out out trying to
get a better spot on more money out of the administration.

(02:16:03):
But that people believe, many New Yorkers believe he's going
to drop out at some point and pave the way
for Cuomo to run. But I want to get your
thoughts on all O what Anita said on what I just.

Speaker 16 (02:16:13):
Said, Well, it's apparent that the incumbent mayor Eric Adams
is playing ball with the Trump administration. That's one of
the reasons why he's having so much difficulty in getting
re elected. That's one of the reasons by his popularity
ratings or in the single digits. Apparently he's been offered

(02:16:33):
the position as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. I guess he
feels that's not a big enough position, so he's holding
out for more. It's no secret that Wall Street wants
him to drop out, and also wants Curtis Leewa, the
Republican candidate, to drop out as well, so that there
can be a one on one race between Andrew Cuomo

(02:16:55):
and mister Mumdani Bill Ackman, who I mentioned a moment
two would go is being this zion is big inn there,
who is very close to mister Netanyahu, has warned Eric
Adams that it will not be to his benefit if
he stays in this race. And you might recall what
happened on Fox News just a few weeks ago where

(02:17:19):
mister Trump's borders are threatened. Eric Adams aren't air, saying
that if you don't cooperate with regard to Trump administration
foreign immigration policy, you'll be an even more hot water
than you are today. And Eric Adams just grinned. So
that's a very complicated story, I'm afraid to say.

Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
Five away from the top of that doctor horn. And
they're saying some reports on the Republican side they want
Mendona to win so they can use him as a
post the boy around the country to show that the
rest of the country that this is what the Democratic
Party has come to, you knowing the fact that the
Republican Party has come to the Maga party. But they're
saying they hope that Mandoni wins and this is will
help them in the midterms.

Speaker 16 (02:18:02):
Your thoughts, Well, that's what they're hoping, and that's what
they're saying. But slowly but surely Democrats, including the governor
of New York State, are throwing caution to the win
and endorsing Mumdanie. We expect that Carl the current the
leader of the Assembly, the Speaker of the Assembly in Albany,

(02:18:25):
will also endorse the mister Mumdanie as well. Hanging Fire
or the two leading black congressman, that is to say,
Gregory meets the Southeast Queens and King Jeffrey the Speaker
in waiting from Brooklyn. They have yet to endorse mister Mumdani,
although I expect them to do so before November.

Speaker 1 (02:18:45):
Oh, you think Jeffer is going to jump in and
join the team.

Speaker 16 (02:18:50):
Well, I say there's the fifty to fifty chance.

Speaker 5 (02:18:53):
That he will.

Speaker 1 (02:18:55):
Okay, Old, that's all right there, because I got a
tweet question from Mark from Anheim. But we're looking at
the clock. We got to step aside for a few moments.
I'll read that tweet. Family. You two can join us
in our conversation with doctor Gerald Horn. So I mentioned
he teaches a University of Houston. He's also an attorney
as well. You got to question any questions you can
see he can answer. Reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

(02:19:16):
we'll take all their phone calls next and grand Rising family,
thanks for rolling with us on this Thursday morning. I
guess is doctor Gerald Horn? Before and I mentioned that
Mark Fromhanhai sends a question for doctor Horn. Before we
do that, though, got to shout out Kia Cleanman. Kea
Cleman is the daughter of Professor Jim Cleman, one of
our power talkers. He's best known for his book Black
and Nomics. Well, she's gonna be on TV tonight, she's

(02:19:36):
gonna be on Hulu. She's going to play a part
in Reliable Reliable Doubts. I think that is the title
of the show. But anyway, check her out if you
can and give her the Sister some support. That's Keith Cleanman.
Look for her. She's one of the coming up, up
and coming talented actress. So I mentioned that Mark from
Mannheim has sent a question. First and first, I'm just
reading for badam. Mark says From Mark from Hannahim says, hello,

(02:19:58):
He said, the only thing that bands the segregation of
the US Armed Forces is an executive order shined by
President Harry S. Truman in nineteen forty eight. Do you
see the possibility of this executive order being rescinded now
that we are in the Gilded Age? Two point h
and Jim Crow two point oh.

Speaker 16 (02:20:17):
Well, all things are possible under mister Trump, including making
a great leap backwards to the era of Jim Crow
and the era of US A Party. I would hope,
and I would imagine, however, that if he sought to
do so, it would be against the Civil Rights Act
of nineteen sixty four. But once again you have this

(02:20:38):
five person majority on the nine member US Supreme Court
that seems willing to authorize whatever hair brain scheme mister
Trump comes up with. So I wouldn't put it past.

Speaker 1 (02:20:49):
It, all right. And the second part of question says,
after election day twenty twenty four here in the US,
the government of Germany collapsed. We could go to the
government of France collapse, collapse. How long will it be
for the government of England to collapse?

Speaker 16 (02:21:05):
Were Karis Stormer the prime Minister is in deep trouble
right now as you know, mister Trump is being such
it as we speak in London by King Charles the Third. However,
his comrade, speaking of mister Trump's comrade, Nigel Faraj, who
is to the right of Kars Stormer, is surging in
the polls. You might have seen that demonstration in London

(02:21:29):
just a few days ago where tens of thousands of
people were in the streets on a right wing platform.
It was quite something and it sends a very ominous
and dangerous signal.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
And speaking about that, Elon Musk addressed that crowd. He's
going around, you know, showing his real colors. All thoughts
about that, what happened in London over the weekend and
Elon Musk getting into right wing politics, not not just
in this country but across the globe.

Speaker 16 (02:22:00):
Well, Elon Musk has not learnt the lesson. That is
to say that after he came out as a major
supporter of mister Trump, you begin to see a fall
in the stock price of Tesla, his major asset. That
fall in the stock price has yet to be arrested,
despite the fact that the Tesla board.

Speaker 5 (02:22:21):
Is offering him, believe.

Speaker 16 (02:22:22):
It or not, a trigon dollar package in order to
stay on as CEO, despite the fact that's it that
the stock price is falling.

Speaker 1 (02:22:31):
Yeah, and he just reinvested billions of dollars in trying
to rest control of that company of his own money.
And the other issues too that most people don't know
that he did not he was, he didn't stock Tesla.
Can you address that.

Speaker 5 (02:22:48):
Well?

Speaker 16 (02:22:49):
As you know, scientific discovery is built upon the shoulders
of others, and electric vehicles of course, is no exception
to that rule. And keep in mind that a major
production facility for Tesla is in China, of all places,
which is one of the reasons why mister Elon Musk

(02:23:09):
has been still quiet with regard to bashing China. Although
we had thought that this was issue number one in
the right wing agenda.

Speaker 1 (02:23:19):
Sure think for after the top our brother College is
checking in from Waldorf and Merrilandi's online one. Here's a
question for you, doctor Horn, the grand Rising brother Colice,
you're on with doctor Horn.

Speaker 17 (02:23:29):
Gran Grand Rising, My dear brothers, and thank you doctor
Horn for your extensive knowledge which we all need. Just
a brief comment that on the Elon Musk situation, it
just highlights how the Europeans have been the master thieves,
the master thieves of US technology and venece and everything

(02:23:52):
throughout you know, throughout our existence and so forth. But
my question to you, doctor Horn would be that if
you caught President Obama's or former President Obama's conference or
speech at Erie Universe at in Erie, Pennsylvania yesterday and

(02:24:13):
his whole take on the Charlie Kirk and the status
of about the America, of the American democracy and so forth,
if you had can critique that for us, if you
caught it, and it seems to be assigned that the

(02:24:35):
Democrats are finally be going to come out and uh
fight far with fire with these Republicans in everyathonable way. So, uh,
that's my question. Can if you caught it, could you
critique that? And by way, it was on Sea Span
two and I thought it was very insightful.

Speaker 16 (02:24:56):
Well, mister Obama has been criticized because he the position
in Erie, Pennsylvania that both sides of the political aisle
or responsible for the uptick and political.

Speaker 18 (02:25:09):
Violence, that it is, to say, the.

Speaker 16 (02:25:11):
Right wing and the left wing, despite the fact that
according to the sorry.

Speaker 5 (02:25:19):
You're no, You're good, Okay, despite.

Speaker 16 (02:25:21):
The fact that, according to a study by Professor Robert
Pape at the University of Chicago, numerically right wing violence
is the major threat with regard to what's happening politically.
Recall what happened in Minnesota just a few weeks ago.
And in any case, I'm not sure if you could

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say credibly that Tyler Robinson, who was being accused of
killing Charlie Kirk, is part of the left wing. I
think that he has a missmash of ideas with regard
to what has been reported, And in any case, these
seems to be more motivated trans issues more than anything else.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
Well, let me throw in this and ask you this question.
Right after that, that's not immediately after, but the uh,
the the after the shooting of Charlie Kirk, there was
several HBCUs schools are on lockdown because they got threats.
Was there a connection to that, to that shooting?

Speaker 16 (02:26:23):
Well, I think the only connection is that the right
wing has chooses any pretext to go after black people. Basically,
as you know, Utah has a microscopically small black population.
To the best of our knowledge and understanding, at Utah
Valley University, there were no black people in the audience

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when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and yet you had these
HBCUs Historically black colleges and universities that were threatened after
Charlie Kirk was killed. As if black people have something
to do with it, It has more to do with
the fact, once again that the right wing chooses any
pretext and any opportunity to go after the black community.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
Got you height after the top there are with doctor
gerald Horn family, you want to join the conversation, reach
out to us at eight hundred and four five zero
seventy eight seventy sixth Darius is called is in Nashville.
Nashville County is online too, Darius, your question for Doctor Horn,
Grand Rising.

Speaker 5 (02:27:22):
It's Nasville County, New York. Graham Rising, Doctor Horn, and
mister Nelson. I asked this question early on this week,
Doctor Horn. I've noticed this thing's been going on way
before Trump, but a little bit with Obama that white Americans.
I know, white folks, they're all the same, but white
Americans are this thing going around that they're blaming Jewish

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or Israel for every thing that goes on in America.
That's my first question. And why do they deflect like
they don't want to take a kind of bit of
for nothing. Jews did the slave trade, Jews did this
Jew's deaf case. And it's like every action is they're
using that as a deflection. And I know, like we're
smart enough to know that's not a thing. That's just
a deflection that they use. Same way, how they will

(02:28:08):
deflect when anything happens. Then my next question is.

Speaker 7 (02:28:14):
Answer that one.

Speaker 5 (02:28:14):
I'll call tomorrow with the other one. Thank you.

Speaker 14 (02:28:18):
Well.

Speaker 16 (02:28:18):
I think we need to realize, yes, I think that
religious conflict has been part of this settler colonial project
since the fifteen hundreds. First of all, there was religious
conflict between Protestants and Catholics, leading to bloody religious wars.

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And as we know, Europe has been characterized historically by
anti Jewish fervor. Many had thought that when Jewish people
migrated across the Atlantic, they were incorporated into an overarching
so called white community, and that anti Jewish fervor was
on the decline. But I think that might have been
an underestimation. And again, let me reiterate, I think that's

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going to come out even more as folks plumb deeper
into investigating the assassination of Charlie.

Speaker 5 (02:29:09):
Kirk's question, mister Horn, last question, So the constant of America.
You're telling me that Americans right now, the mega groups
and and and some. I mean, even though I don't
hear anything from Democrats, all Americans right now willing to
get up their their their their constitutional rights, whether it

(02:29:31):
be the First Amendment, because we're seeing it's under attack
right now. It's under attack. People catch no freedom of speak.
You say something, you're being tooken off the air fired.
I mean, that's a constitution issue. And next thing, is
is it the same thing that they fight black people
for they've always taken our issues to court, taken our

(02:29:54):
issues to the Supreme quo. Why have no one took
in any of these rules with the with the the
investment from Israel to the Supreme Court? Or is it
the same people taking out of things of court? Is
the same people that's working with them? Is that a thing,
mister Line, That would be my final two questions.

Speaker 1 (02:30:10):
All right, thank you, El Dashes on Long Island in
Nassau County, stand correct and go ahead, doctor horn Well.

Speaker 16 (02:30:16):
Notwithstanding what you have said and what I have said,
the fact of the matter is is that there's a
very powerful Zionist lobby in the United States, backed up
by Zionist beiginnaires, including the applementioned Bill Ackman, not to
mention Miriam Adelson, another bigonnaire who controls the Dallas Mavericks
basketball team, in addition to Las Vegas casinos, in addition

(02:30:39):
to casinos in Macawell, part of the People's Republic of
China as well. And certainly there have been attempts to
squash the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, which by the way,
has been spearheaded by left wing Jewish Americans, and that
particular movement has suffered many blows. I mean, people are

(02:31:02):
getting fired on many campuses because of their opposition to
Israeli genocide for example. So notwithstanding what you've said and
what I've said, we should not underestimate the strength of
the Zionis lobby.

Speaker 1 (02:31:16):
Twelve after the toime there I went doctor Gerald Horn,
Doctor Horn, let's go back to the continent. Japan and
Africa had a summit. Can you tell us how that
conference said? What happened at that conference?

Speaker 5 (02:31:27):
Well, it was very interesting.

Speaker 16 (02:31:28):
Took place in Yokohama just a few weeks ago, and
Emerson and Mongagua, who is the leader of Zimbabwe, attended
that conference, and he was one of the few African
leaders to show up in China. Or that's really impressive
the military parade just a few weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (02:31:45):
One of the takeaways from the Japan Africa summit is
that Japan has pledged to train thirty thousand African specialists
in the emerging field of artificial intelligence. This is quite remarkable,
quite stunning, and let's hope that that promise is kept.

Speaker 1 (02:32:05):
Wow, did not know that thirteen half of the top
they Let's stay over there for a minute, though, Uh,
China's Tom Trump when he comes back, in addition to
going to the Kirk's funeral, he's going to meet with
the Chinese premiere. What do you think is that it's
going to be on the table? What's that meeting? What
do you think is they're going to talk about?

Speaker 5 (02:32:23):
Well, the issue is trade to begin with. I've already
mentioned how farmers in the Midwest are suffering because China's
not necessarily buying US toy beans, They're buying Brazilian soy beans.
This is having knock one effects with regard to John
Deere and track their manufacturers. Their stock twice is going
through the basement as we speak. And mister Trump wants

(02:32:47):
China to buy more US good And that is the
disadvantage that the United States now has with regard to
its relationship with China. China has four times the population
of the United States of America. It has many more
times than that the manufacturing capability than the United States has.

(02:33:09):
And so the United States is that a disadvantage right
now when it comes to dealing with China. Although there
are many people who don't want to confront that fact.
What's going on with TikTok, Well, supposedly TikTok, which as
you know, has been a Chinese firm that is quite
popular amongst many of our young people. The decision was

(02:33:31):
made that it should be.

Speaker 16 (02:33:33):
Divested from Chinese hands, and once again Larry Ellison of Oracle,
who was of last week was the richest man in
the world, surpassing Elon Musk, is in the front of
the line to buy TikTok. But we'll have to wait
and see, because there might be another deal in store

(02:33:53):
that will forestall that transaction from taking place.

Speaker 1 (02:33:57):
Do you think of another taco move from Donald Trump?
And Trump always chickens out or is that what they say,
because he's been promising to shut it down and he
and he keeps moving the goalpost further and further down
the field. How do you think do you think that's
gonna come up at that meeting with the with she?
I think it's the next weekend or this weekend, whenever
it gets back from the UK.

Speaker 16 (02:34:19):
Well, I think it's possible because mister Trump talks a
big game on the international front, but what he's able
to do domestically in terms of intimidation, for example, and
harassment does not work very well on the international theme,
which is typical for a bully. A bully usually backed

(02:34:39):
down when they're confronted with someone who can throw a
left right combination.

Speaker 1 (02:34:45):
Yeah, and that's reflected under the what do you received
from the media in the UK? I mean they're blasting
the tabloids. They're making fun of Donald Trump. Those pap
papers they have, they have been put out of business
if they were state side. And it's another issue. There's
an Australian reporter who usually part of the crew that
travels with the president of the United States president to

(02:35:06):
do interviews. I'm supposed to go to the UK the interviews.
The Trump people told us she's not invited because she
asked a question that he didn't like previously, so she
was she's not on the trip to cover Trump in
the UK for ABC, that's the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. But
so that's interesting what you just said. But hold that
though right there. We've got to step aside for a
few moments. We come back. Mike in DC has a

(02:35:26):
question for you family. You two can get in on
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(02:35:48):
like to ask you, Doctor Horn can answer it for you.
Mike's in Washington, DC is online one Grand Rising. Mike,
your question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 10 (02:35:56):
Graham Roger, mister Nelson, and mister honorable Kevin Sir, Welcome
to the show. Are you familiar with Operation Arctic Frost?

Speaker 5 (02:36:06):
Vaguely? Tell me about it.

Speaker 10 (02:36:08):
Arctic Frost was set up by the Biden administration and
the Garland and Merrick Garland and what they did do
on COVID they were going it into churches and to
schools and school meetings and stuff like that, and they
were they were spying on people and stuff like that
that would have opposite opinions of them, and they were
shutting down and getting the cancer. So this whole thing
you're starting about free speech started with the Biden administration.

(02:36:32):
So now let's Trump finishing they're doing they're doing like
a payback. What's happening right now? Okay, the Jimmy Kimmel
situation and the Jimmy Kimbers and failing situation they got
they didn't get kicked out because of this free speech
and First Amendment rights and stuff like that. They were
losing millions of dollars. Okay, they'd be like they was
like five to twenty million dollars in East one of them.

(02:36:53):
And Jimmy KNTO always had a warning just a few
months ago to calm it down and stop, and he
went overboard. And that's why they did this. Okay, So
you know this has been going on for a long time.
The Bidministry and the gall administration started this.

Speaker 5 (02:37:05):
Or entire thing right right.

Speaker 1 (02:37:07):
Hold on a second, Mike, what's it called Fox or Frost?

Speaker 10 (02:37:11):
I you off to Frost? Yeah? Check it out? Yeah
like Fox like Jack Frost. Yeah, check it out. And
that's the reason why. That's that's they started this whole thing.
They said, remember, people, if they had the opposite opinion
of COVID doctors and stuff like that, they were they
were getting losing their license, losing their job. People were
just losing their jobs. Now with the Trump admission they
would start at first under the Biden administration, So you

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know this started long time ago, a long time ago,
and then you know, this whole thing, it's just it's
the people getting people like they have no sympathy and
stuff like that. They and that's one of the good
things to say about Kevin and of you listen to
the Doctor K Show, this thing, your show is surviving
because of differences. And then two, you must have the

(02:37:55):
proper producers to say, hey, this is the content that
we're going to put out there. Jimmy Kimmel didn't have
a lot of people around them were very smart. Same
with Jame of Failing. That's why to a failing, that's
why people stop watching less. That's why Greg Gusfielder is
killing him, knocking them out. Knock him out, your producers,
Good job, mister Kevin and Doctor K was uh uh

(02:38:16):
Doctor K show in Baltimore, arnoable, Justine or Justin Polat.

Speaker 1 (02:38:21):
Awesome, real good, yes, all right, let me I looked
it up because you're talking about Biden and all of
this kind of stuff. Arctic frost and this is what
they think, this is what the research says. And I
hope you did it, says artic frost was the FBI
case opened and approved by anti Trump FBI. H There's
nothing about Joe Biden in here, Okay, so but but
I that's why I had to look it up, because

(02:38:41):
I you know what you when I hear stuff like that, Mike,
I hear it's right wing talking points, and all you
gotta do is look it up. Biden's name isn't even mentioned.
But I thank you for your call, doctor Horne. You
want to respond to what he just said, doctor Horn?

Speaker 16 (02:38:58):
There, Oh, first of all, let's deal with Jimmy Kimble.
I mean, Jimmy Kimble will suspended indefinitely by ABC, not
least because of his comments about Trump and Charlie Kirk.
That was the issue. Anything else is an attempt to
throw dust in the eyes of the public with regard

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to Arctic frost. That is being talked up right now
in the New York Post part of the Rupert Murdoch Empire,
as is Fox News as well, And so I'd be
very careful about repeating talking points from the Murdoch Empire.

Speaker 1 (02:39:39):
And you can almost tell it to talking boy the
way he said it. And I was like, Okay, let
me just look it up and see Biden's name is
n't mentioned, you know, but they've got somewhere linked Biden
and say that Biden was going after Charlie Kirk. So
that's what that's why he's come up now, Biden Bie,
come on, man, come on, you know, do some investment
when you hear it. And for those of you who

(02:39:59):
have taken the mac juice, whenever they say anything, just
just google it. That's what I just did. Eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six,
twenty five minutes off the top. Jason's joining us from Baltimore.
He's online too, Grand Rising. Jason. Your question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 23 (02:40:14):
He's in Blessings Family. Thank you, Doctor Horn, and thank
you Dean Nelsen for this presentation with the issue with
the letting go of the talk show host. Their uncle
Roero did a show the other day and actually kind

(02:40:38):
of expound on it, and there was really nothing that
he said that was not already being discussed out in
the public. He didn't say anything disparaging towards Charlie Kirk itself.
But what's happening is is there's this group that's come together,
in some cases being represented by turning point, going after legally,

(02:41:01):
and in some cases going after those who speak out.
They're calling the stations, they're calling the networks, and they're
trying to get folks removed for just you know, pointing
out the fact that he was a white supremacist, Evangelical
Christian white supremacists.

Speaker 13 (02:41:19):
So but that was my point.

Speaker 23 (02:41:21):
My point I called doctor Horne was about Meddi Hassan
who said, and I disagree with presenting the old guard.
Meddi Hassan had said recently on The Breakfast Club about
removing the old guard, not allowing Obama and Hillary and
Michelle and even in some cases some of the newer

(02:41:45):
folks like wes Moore, even though folks may have favoritism
in wes Moore, and they were saying that there needs
to be fresh blood, someone to come in, like a
Madanni in New York, somebody like that, to come in fresh.
And they were pointing out the fact of how Donald
Trump even won in twenty sixteen with him attacking Jed Bush,

(02:42:10):
attacking his own party and bringing his own party down
and trying to establish the fact that he wasn't part
of the establishment. So do you agree with that notion
that you know, some of these folks just need to
step aside, bringing some fresh blood into the parties, someone

(02:42:30):
who's up and rising, like what's going on with the
mayoral race in New York. I agree with that notion.
I think that it's time for a lot of these
old guards to move out of the way. They if
they haven't been able to continue the fight for quite
some time, and they've been barely holding on to these elections,

(02:42:50):
they need some fresh blood. They need some fresh, reinvigorated blood.
What do you think, doctor horn.

Speaker 7 (02:42:58):
Well?

Speaker 16 (02:42:58):
I understand the point in mind that Vice President Harris
and her recent memoir one hundred and seven Days, she
in a sense, is doing what you suggests because she's
criticizing her former supervisor, mister Biden, saying that it was
reckless for him in twenty twenty four to contemplate running

(02:43:18):
for re election. At the same time, we shouldn't throw
the baby out with the bath water. I mean congress
Woman Ihan Omar of Minnesota, for example. He is a
popular voice that we need to hear more from. I
don't agree with everything that Senator Bernie Sanders is, and
of course he's eighty three years old, older than mister Biden,

(02:43:40):
but some of his ideas or as useful as Mam
Donnie's ideas. So I think we need to go on
a case by case basis with regard to crack hold that.

Speaker 1 (02:43:51):
Thought, right, Jason, Jason, hold that thought. Let me throw
something in here because this is important for especially for Washington,
DC listeners. Ellen the Holmes Norton, she's eighty eight. I
think she's probably the oldest member of the Congression of
Black Caucus. And for quite some time people are saying
that she needs to step aside and bring somebody up,
somebody else. Now you've got people like Donna Brazil and
some of the movers and shakers in the Democrat Party

(02:44:14):
are telling her you've got to go, You've got to
step aside. You've got Maxine Waters in LA. I love
both these ladies known herm for a long time under
Eleanormes Don't when she was working there for John Lindsay,
when he was Mayor of New York. So that's a
long time before he even went to LA. But anyway,
people are calling that they there's nothing personal, so so
they call these these both of these sisters to step
aside and have a young person, a younger person with

(02:44:36):
a younger perspective to take their seats. What say you, doctor.

Speaker 16 (02:44:40):
Horne, Well, I certainly agree with regard to congress Woman
nor she's clearly lost her fastball. I mean she sits
in hearings and either doesn't say a word even though
issues of significance to DC voters are being debated, or
she haltingly reads a public statement and then is led

(02:45:01):
by the arm from her feet by one of her
staff members. I think this is certainly time for her
to go. I mean, that's beyond dispute, all right.

Speaker 23 (02:45:11):
I'm not saying again, new blood or young blood. I
would take a senior, you know, who's well seasoned, who's
ready to to step in the primary life of the
Democratic Party.

Speaker 22 (02:45:27):
Uh.

Speaker 23 (02:45:28):
I'm just saying that it needs to be somebody more
fresh from the ground, grass root. You know that that's
that's resonating to the people, and and and the the
old guard that had the message. They can support and
mentor and and give guidance. But I think that they
should never do like what Barack Obama did during our

(02:45:49):
dear sister's campaign when he spoke out. I think that
that caused too much conflict and too much uh uh
uh just uh uh resistants to what was going on
at the time. It didn't help the situation. So I
think the old guard needs to just step to the
side and allow some fresh faces, like like, for instance,

(02:46:10):
what's wrong with Jasmin Crockett. You know, she's a powerful voice,
and I don't see them really uplifting her and supporting her.
Many times I see her kind of thugging it out
by herself with maybe one or two other female black members.
By the way, you know, put these put these folks
in the position to defend and fight for democracy and

(02:46:31):
the Democratic Party. Those are the real leaders to me,
the real warriors that should be on the front lines.

Speaker 1 (02:46:37):
Thank you, good question, Thank you, Jason.

Speaker 16 (02:46:39):
Doctor horn Well, obviously what Jason is saying is right on.
We need to hear a younger voices, We need to
hear fresher voices. He mentions Jasmine Crockett. I mentioned il
han Omar Max Froust, the young, tough, thirty year old
congressman from Florida, is another useful voice. As a matter

(02:47:00):
of fact, Congressman Frost at a time when Eleanor Holmes
Norton was sitting new He took to the defense of
black Washington. He took the defense of home rule of
Washington for Washington, DC. And certainly, once again we need
to reiterate that Congresswoman Holmes Norton needs to step down.

Speaker 1 (02:47:21):
All right. You know another voice that's being sort of quiet.
The Bush is down there where you are in Houston.
Fam said anything in question time? Why not? Why do
you think they're being so silent they don't want.

Speaker 5 (02:47:32):
To get indicted.

Speaker 16 (02:47:33):
I mean, mister Trump is charged mister Obama with treason,
which is a capital offense. You have many of the
liberals who're laryering up. Look at what's happening. The Federal
Reserve banker least A Cook, to Letitia James, the black
woman Attorney General of New York State, to Senator Adam
Schiff of California, all being charged with various permutations of

(02:47:57):
mortgage fraud, for example, which could Lane and each and
every one of them in jail. So I think that
George W. Bush is lying low because he probably has
some secrets he doesn't want to see uncovered.

Speaker 1 (02:48:11):
Gotcha. Let's talk about Lisa Cook though. What are her
chances to staying How do you see her.

Speaker 16 (02:48:16):
Well, the recent news reports are that she may not
be guilty of mortgagetraud. That is to say, it was
alleged by Trump and his comrades that when she bought
a second home, that she said that she had two
primary residences, one in Michigan and one in Atlanta, and

(02:48:39):
that's a no note. Now news comes out that she
listed the Atlanta residence as a vacation home, which would
seem to let her off the hook. But as you know,
and as we said, the court or in the pocket
of mister Trump, that is to say, the High Court.
So you can't rule anything.

Speaker 1 (02:48:57):
Out right now, gotcha? Twenty them away from the top.
Day Ken's calling us from Florida's online one. Grand Rising
cany you're on with doctor Horne. You have a question
for him?

Speaker 13 (02:49:07):
Yes, Grand Rising. My question is doctor Horn, and there's
two of them. My question is, as we see these
things happening in America, we don't seem to be talking
about what we as black people need to be doing
to counter this, to make sure that we are okay

(02:49:30):
through all of this. And my second question is this,
we don't seem to realize that as Europe becomes weaker,
and America becomes weaker, they become more dangerous. I hang
up and listen to your comment. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:49:52):
Well.

Speaker 16 (02:49:52):
I certainly don't disagree with the latter point. A wild
beast is oftentimes most dangerous when it's cornered, and to
a degree, the North Atlantic community is cornered right now.
They made a bad deal when they helped to build
up China into the juggernaut that is now in the
passing lane. With regard to your first point, I'm not

(02:50:15):
sure I agree with that, because we started off this
conversation talking about Black Americans being in Ethiopia breaking bread
with the African Union and the Caribbean community on a
common agenda, for example. So I think that there are
those in our community who are embarking in new directions
and they should be congratulated.

Speaker 1 (02:50:38):
Thank you. Ken. Twenty five away from the top of
Doctor Horn, Putin is Putin plaining Trump. Trump has you know,
threatened him and threw a line in the sand and
saperd lines and Putin just ignores him and putin the
attack in Poland? What's that got to do with NATO?
Should we be concerned? Are we on the verge of
World War III, Well.

Speaker 5 (02:50:58):
I hope not.

Speaker 16 (02:50:59):
I mean, I think that mister Trump told Tucker Carlson
during the presidential campaign last year that he wants to
woo Moscow away from Beijing in order to disrupt that
powerful line. But I don't think that that's going to work.

(02:51:19):
You might recall that mister Putin was in Beijing just
a few days ago in the midst of that very
impressive military parade that China put on. It was quite
stunning in fact, the weapons that they unveiled, And so
I think it's a lost cause for mister Trump to
think that he can woo Putin. And I think we
just need to realize that the North Atlantic community is

(02:51:41):
on the back foot, that they made some bad deals
and now unless we're careful, we will suffer as a result.

Speaker 1 (02:51:49):
You know, I hold that though right there, because we
got to stay beside for a few months. When we
come back, though, China, Russia, India they're teaming up together.
What does that mean for the US And what does
it mean again, go to a calor from Florida, ken
what does that mean for black folks? Eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six. You two can
join our conversation with doctor Gerald Horn. Reach out to

(02:52:09):
us it we'll take your phone calls next and Grand
Rising family, and thanks for flowing with us on this
Thursday morning. Our guest is doctor Gerald Horn. Doctor Horn
of course teachers at the University of Houston, these Africana
studies to the teacher, it's also an attorney as well
as a license attorney. So any question sports books. Oh,
by the way, he's got two book signings. Is going
to take place in Brooklyn and right here in Silver Spring,

(02:52:31):
and we're going to give that information before he leaves. Also,
let me do a shout out to Kia Kleingman. Kia
Cleanman happens to be Jim Clearman's daughter. See, Jim is
one of our power talkers. He's got some health challenges
right now. But Jim the book Black Economics, some of
you I remember from that, Well, his daughter Ki is
going to be in reasonable doubt. If you have Hulu,
check it out and support the sister Tonight tomorrow though

(02:52:53):
open phone Friday to give you another chance to free
your mind and all that means us to think for
yourself and reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight, seventy six. Leave the talking
points at the door, or do some research on it
before you come at US. So, doctor Horn, we talked
about the meeting between between UH, India, China, and Russia.

(02:53:13):
This this, this, the three of them gotta team up,
a team and up. What does this? What does this mean?

Speaker 4 (02:53:18):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:53:19):
What does this mean for the US, China, Russia and
India uniting?

Speaker 12 (02:53:23):
Well?

Speaker 16 (02:53:24):
First of all, with regard to India, this was an
after effect of mister Trump's ham handed diplomacy. Recalled that
He's tried to impose bone crushing sanctions on India because
India buyers Russian oil. India, as a result, decided to

(02:53:44):
kiss and make up with China, which it has had
long standing disputes. Mister Trump is now trying to backtrack.
He called mister Modi, the Prime Minister of India, on
his birthday, his seventy fifth birthday. I think that mister
mode accepted the call, even though in recent weeks he
has not been accepting calls from mister Trump. So mister

(02:54:05):
Trump once again is leading this nation into the deep
end of the pool with an inability to swim.

Speaker 1 (02:54:15):
India and Pakistan, are they cool? Are they still at odds?
Do you know, because I understand some of them have
nuclear weapons. Should we be keep an eye on that
area of the world.

Speaker 16 (02:54:26):
Absolutely, But the big news out of Pakistan is that
it's just signed a mutual defense agreement with Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is very nervous right now in light of
this really attack on Gutter, the Saudi's field, they may
be next on the hit list, and so therefore they
decide to team team up with Pakistan, one of the

(02:54:46):
major military forces on planet Earth that should give this
really second and third thought before they decide to drop
bombs on Riodd.

Speaker 1 (02:54:56):
Wow, shamuteine away from the top of our family. That's
why we learn a lot here with doctor Gerald Horn.
Christian is callingist from Malibilly's online too, grand Rising Christian,
your question for doctor.

Speaker 11 (02:55:05):
Horn, Hey, good morning. Carl mentioned about Ardi Frost. Well,
as you look at Breitbart, and I look at all
the site on September was in sixteenth, they have a
full page article on Ardi Frost and it specifically says
Biden's FBI and that Biden met with the FBI and

(02:55:28):
they went after ninety two Republican organizations including the one
with Charlie Kirk and I went to other websites and
you can look them up. It says exactly the same thing.
The second thing is we're talking about Jasmine Clocket being
in the front runner. The last president that was unmarried
was James Polk in eighteen sixty one sixty five. That's
the criteria to be married. So stop wasting people's time.

(02:55:50):
It's not gonna work, Cama Harris. And then this is
the question I want you to ask doctor. In twenty nineteen,
she ran for president. She started out a fifteen percent.
After full weeks she went down from fifteen percent to
eight percent. Gone same thing with this lessons. She lost
almost the tree dollars in money. She's not a viable candidate.
So the Duning class are dead in the water until

(02:56:11):
you can think of somebody who's an afropos. Go ahead, doctor,
telling what you think.

Speaker 5 (02:56:16):
Well, I think it's premature to say that the opposition
is dead in the water, and light of the fact.

Speaker 16 (02:56:21):
That this economy is sinking like a stone. For example,
even the Wall Street Journal this morning has a front
page article about the two speed economy. There are some
folks who are doing well. There are millions and millions
and millions more who are not doing so well, and
light of the shutting down of the southern border, it's
put a crypt in agriculture in the San Laquin Valley

(02:56:45):
in your own California. That might lead to fruit and
vestable prices going up in grocery stores. So I think
it's premature to suggest that what's going to happen in
twenty twenty eight, not to mention twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (02:57:01):
All right, thanks, Christian, And you mentioned too, you mentioned
the Post and Breitbart. Those are two organs of the
same thing. Of course, they're going to report the same thing.
They get it from the same source. You've got to
go to other sources, Christian, if you want to get
a real understanding what's going on, you can't just keep
going to these right wing sauces. I'm sorry and then

(02:57:21):
saying say and then you come and try and tell
us that's convince us. Of course, they're getting their information
from the White House and they're just repeating it. But
I thank you for your call. Fourteen minutes away from
the top of the hour, eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six of they come with They
come with the talking points, and they think they can
can confuse the audience, you know, eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. That's why we say

(02:57:43):
think for yourself, Think for free your mind. Don't rely
on Bright Bart of Fox or even the Washington Post
or the New York Times. Think for yourself. Just really
to figure it out for yourself. Don't come here with
that stuff. We'll kick it back. Eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight six anthonies calling this from Washington,
DC's online one. Grand Rising, Anthony, your thoughts, your question

(02:58:05):
for doctor Horn, Yeah.

Speaker 22 (02:58:06):
Grand Rising. My My thing is, uh, I haven't heard
anything about Sadan, which which is the greatest genocide. UH
as equal to or bet worse than what's.

Speaker 21 (02:58:24):
Going on in Gaza.

Speaker 22 (02:58:25):
Uh Can can we get some information in the root
causes of what's going on and Sadan and and who's
the perpetrators that's causing this conflict and suffering to our
to our people.

Speaker 16 (02:58:43):
Well as we speak, Sudan is a bleeding sword in
many ways. It's a civil war between two wings of
the military who are at each other's throats at the
same time. About a decade or so ago. Sudan, which
to that point had been the largest nation by territory
on the African continent, was weakened when South Sudan seceded

(02:59:08):
from the larger Sudan, and now South Sudan too is
racked with discord. Part of the problem is that I
think we focus a lot on Gaza because the United
States is arming Israel, we cannot necessarily say that the
United States is involved to the same degree in Sudan,

(02:59:29):
and therefore it does not receive as much coverage. However,
the United Arab Emirates, which we mentioned a few moments
ago and as a close ally of Washington, is heavily
involved in this civil war in Sudan, just like it's
trying to destabilize the Sahel State. And so I would
suggest that we pressure the White House with regard to

(02:59:53):
its relationship with the U E. E.

Speaker 1 (02:59:57):
Gotcha, thank you, Anthony Horn. The situation of the National Guard.
They seem to have retreated about going into Chicago before
you came on. We had Memphis a City Council when
Pearl Walker did describe that Trump is now threatening to
send troops into into Memphis. Those two cities and the
other cities as Baltimore has put and I think the

(03:00:20):
we want to talk about Cash Betell as well, because
he mentioned Miami and folks down there are concerned or
we are we on the list. But anyway, those those issues,
uh with those of those troops going into those cities.

Speaker 16 (03:00:34):
Well, my understanding is that the mayor of Memphis is
not necessarily on board with the dispatching of National Guard
forces to his city. The governor, Governor Lee, a Republican,
is on board with regard to that. There's been loose
talk about sending troops into Saint Louis as well. Mister
Trump feels that he's on a road right now. He

(03:00:56):
feels that his base resonates to the idea of National
Board personnel into cities with substantial black populations.

Speaker 5 (03:01:06):
And he may be one to something.

Speaker 1 (03:01:08):
I got ten away from the top of I talked
about Cash Battel over at the FBI. I got to
ask you this question, is he in trouble because he
the inside of what they're saying. Some of the White
House folks are disappointing In his response to the Kirk shooting,
he was at a swanky h New York restaurant. You know,
which he probably wouldn't have got in if he wasn't
the FBI director. When when the Kirk thing went down

(03:01:30):
and they disappointed his reaction, is he in trouble? Do
you think they're gonna try to move out?

Speaker 16 (03:01:36):
Apparently Attorney General Palm Bondi or scam Blondie, he's not
a fan of mister Patel. We can say the same
thing about the number of senators. You might have seen
that shotting match he got into on Capitol Hill with
Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (03:01:52):
I thought that they were going to come.

Speaker 16 (03:01:54):
To blow Mister Patel is obviously in over his head
with regard to criminal investigations, which was evidence when he
jumped the gun concerning who was being accused of shooting
Charlie Kirk in Utah.

Speaker 1 (03:02:10):
Just the other day, speaking about Charlie Kirk, Caler wanted
to know what about the backlash the NFL cities that
didn't do a tribute on Sunday's games for Charlie Kirk.
Baltimore was one of them that they called out Baltimore
because they didn't do it. And again, let's remember that
Charlie Kirk is a private citizen. You know, he's not
a government official. He wasn't elected, it's not in the

(03:02:31):
armed services. He's just a private citizen, and there's nothing
wrong with that. If you want to pay a tribute
to any private person that got killed, that's fine. We're
not knocking what he did so or what he does
or what he did before. But they're getting called on
the carpet for not doing a tribute to them these
NFL franchises. Can he speak to that, doctor Horn?

Speaker 16 (03:02:51):
Well, it's ironic that Colin Kaepernick, a black American quarterback,
still with the mental talent, and still has been outlawed
from the NFL because he has the audacity to protest
against police brutality against our community, and the NFL says
that it's not into these kinds of political displays. At

(03:03:14):
the same time as you just said, you have a private,
thirty odd year old young man by the name of
Troty Kirk who gets killed, and we're all supposed.

Speaker 5 (03:03:24):
To bow down.

Speaker 16 (03:03:25):
We're supposed to build statues in his memory. We're supposed
to sack anyone who does not honor his alleged martyrdom.
There is a double standard at play which many of
us object to.

Speaker 1 (03:03:38):
Got you hit away from the topic. I got a
tweet here and it's kind of long, so stay with me,
it says Grand Rising doctor Horne. Do the numerous international
policies of the Trump maga have hit the wall, like
a South Korean international investment in California with manufacturing plans
designed by Korean engineers to invest twelve billion dollars there
that got revoked by Korea after ice recently their people

(03:04:01):
in the US and illegally arrested and harassed them. Trump
apologized weekly on x that for that faux pa and
asked them to reinvest in America.

Speaker 5 (03:04:10):
What say you, well, what happened in Georgia just a
few days ago with regard to the South Korean workers
who were building this multi big and dollar plant in
the Peach State was really reprehensible. They were shackled and handcuffed,
they were detained, and the South Korean population is up

(03:04:30):
in arms because mister Trump once foreign investment from South
Korea and from other Asian nations. And I think we
have to ask ourselves this question, would German workers have
been treated the same way if they were building a
plant in Georgia?

Speaker 16 (03:04:47):
And I think the answer is likely not. And so
once again we run into the contradictions of white supremacy
at a time when Asian nations like China and South
Korea are.

Speaker 5 (03:04:58):
On the march.

Speaker 1 (03:05:00):
All right, Siek's away from the top, Doctor Horne, You're
going to have a book signing in Brooklyn and Silver
Spring right here in the DMV. Can you tell us
about these books signings and which of your books are
you going to be signing?

Speaker 16 (03:05:11):
Well, October seventeenth and Montgomery College in the early evening
in silver Spring, Maryland. The book is the Capital of Slavery,
Washington d c. Eighteen hundred and eighteen sixty five. A
lot of Maryland history in this book, because Baltimore had
the largest free Negro population in the United States before
the Civil War. Obviously a lot of district history in

(03:05:31):
this book. And similarly a book signing with the same
book on October tenth in Brooklyn on Nostriant Avenue in
the early.

Speaker 5 (03:05:40):
Evening at Sister's Place four fifty six. No strent As,
I'm not mistaken, and you're.

Speaker 1 (03:05:46):
Always writing a book. What book are you working on
right now?

Speaker 16 (03:05:50):
Well, I'm working on so many. I don't think we
have time to discuss them all. But The next book
that will be published deals with the South Paciffic deals
with the overthrow of the White Kingdom and the incorporation
of the y into the United States of America. I'm
working in a book on Mississippi slavery, for example. I'm

(03:06:11):
working in a book on US China relations, since all
my references to China this morning, and I could go on,
but let's just stop there.

Speaker 1 (03:06:19):
Yeah, and doctor, let me just say this family, Doc
Horn writes two or three books at a time, you know,
talk about concentration. That's that's what doctor Horn does. Doctor Horn,
How can folks follow you?

Speaker 5 (03:06:30):
Well, I would suggest going to YouTube, because, for example,
this discussion we've just had this morning will be posted
on YouTube sooner rather than later. And also a Facebook
as well, because many of my lecturers are posted there similarly.

Speaker 1 (03:06:46):
And before I let you go, are you concerned they
may shut you down at some point or shut us down?

Speaker 4 (03:06:52):
Of course?

Speaker 16 (03:06:53):
Of course, that's why I've tried to get a second
or third passport, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (03:06:58):
And is that the advice for our folks get at
least get your passbook, at at least one passport, right?

Speaker 5 (03:07:04):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (03:07:04):
Absolutely absolutely, because this country is headed over a clip
under the misleadership of mister Trump and the MAGA Republicans,
and they have a historical beat with the black community.
Hence the lockdown of HBCUs in the wake of the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, even though black people had nothing
to do with his murder.

Speaker 1 (03:07:26):
Yeah, they've been trying to pull us in on that,
Doctor Horn. I want to thank you this morning and
thank you for all the information you're shared with us.
Thank you for inviting all Right, family, that's it for
the day. Class is finished for the day. Stay strong,
stay positive again, please please please stay healthy. What's here
tomorrow morning six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten
ten WLB and the the DMV on FM ninety five

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