Dr. Gerald Horne Tackles Global Issues and the Legacy of Marcus Garvey

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
And grand rising family, and thanks for waking up with
us on this Thursday morning. Later, the University of Houston's
doctor Gerald Horn will take over our classroom down. Doctor Horn,
as per usual, will cover several topics including tomorrow's Putin
Trump meeting in Alaska, the significance of the Texas girmanding issue,
the latest developments in Gaza and Ukraine, troops on our

(00:56):
city streets, bricks, the tariffs wars and what they for Africa,
and more so, a lot of stuff. Were gonna go
with doctor Gerald Horn as we usually do. Well before
doctor Horn, writer him and Booker Muhammad will provide us
with an update on the UFO phenomena and momentary Haitian activity.
Doctor judish Od will join us. But let's go to
the classroom door and get Kevin opening it up for
us a grand rising Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hey, coun Nelson, A good Thursday morning, the fourteenth of August. Man,
and uh, there's a whole lot of shaking going on.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
How are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm still learning, Kevin, But what's trending this morning?

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
As you continue to fill your database. I want to
talk about the fact that President Donald J. Trump says
he will host the Kennedy Center Honors. Yeah, he's gonna
unveil this year's recipients.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
So he's gonna be the host the MC call. Not
only is he going to.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Be the host in the MC, he is also eliminating
the committee. He's not choosing, he's not going with the committee.
He says he's ninety eight percent involved in the selection
and and he turned down plenty they were.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Too woke, he said.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
So the people that he has the honoor reason this
year would be George Strait, Michael Crawford, Sylvester Stallone, uh
and kiss, and our very own Gloria Gaynor. You know
she will survive, so unlike past selections.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
She's the only one for my tribe on that list.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, she's the only one listed here in the website
called Deadline.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
And you know so well she covers too. She's black
and she's female, so that covers two for them. She
had a two for with the Gloria Gaynor.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
She's a song.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I was that's the song.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, her song? Though? Is that why he selected her?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, they're not giving reasons for selections.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
I mean, you knowing Donald Trump, it could have been
names in a hat or something. However, he chose people
who weren't woke. So are we to imply then that
Gloria Gaina is not woke?

Speaker 3 (03:16):
But you know what people asked her, if not directly
responding to that, but she's been so being a political
She hasn't you know, said anything about politics, so I
guess she obviously she must have accepted. We'll see. But
the key is, though, Kevin won't be the ratings because
you know, if this is what Donald Trump's all about, numbers,
he thinks it's going to be a ratings blockbuster. People
are going to watch the show whoever, whichever network covers it,

(03:39):
so we'll see what the ratings are when the next day.
Oh yeah, that's the interesting thing.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
That is a good point.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
You're right.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
He is a ratings monger, and so he would be
looking forward to the ratings. But what I see about that,
at least it's still called the Kennedy Center Honors. It's not,
you know, the Trump Honors or something.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
But it isn't he trying to get his wife's name
on there as well as it's something else.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well, remember last time we were talking about that. I
didn't find any information this morning fresh on that. But yeah,
he wants to name one of the auditoriums after Millennia.
But we haven't heard anything that's not Front of consciousness today.
But yet we do remember that he had said that
they were going to rename the place. Trump appeared at

(04:27):
the Kennedy Center for the ceremony, which unveiled each honoree
with their photos unveiled from beneath red sheets. So he's
taken on the role of producer showman committee, and he's
elevating the attention to the show, which has aired on
CBS since its origin. Yet it's hardly a ratings blockbuster,

(04:50):
so apparently it's never you know, pulled in lots of
high ratings in the past. The Kennedy Center and CBS
have announced the honorees via press release embargoed to some outlets.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
So he's interesting. You mentioned his wife thought she I
understand she's in the news this morning.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, yeah, speaking of Millennia, Trump our first lady and
demands that Hunter Biden retract extremely salacious Epstein comments, that's right,
Hunter Biden said something wrong. So, according to the Associated Press,
First Lady Millennial Trump demanded that Hunter retract comments linking

(05:30):
her to sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and threatened to sue
if he does not.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
What he said, family of those who just wake up.
He said that Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump, and
you know that's been widely accepted across you know, across
the interne at least, right, Yeah, So I think she
doesn't want to bring any more attraction. Probably that Donald
told her to sue and sue for a billion dollars
because you know, they roll out these numbers like that nothing,

(06:00):
and I guess it's supposed to be intimidating. Then I'm
gonna sue, and I'm gonna sue for a billion dollars.
You could how much money you think you can get
out of Hunter Biden. But anyway, I.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Know, right exactly, And it's such a litigious situation, man,
I mean, what if so what if he did introduce them?
That part doesn't make sense in the in the romance level,
you know of a quote unquote love story, if you will,
And does that put a bad mark on Milania's name?

(06:30):
She says, it's extremely salacious her lawyer, Alejandro Brito wrote
in a letter to Biden. Biden's remarks were widely disseminated
on social media and reported by media outlets around the world,
causing the First Lady to suffer overwhelming financial and reputational harm.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
So, so what does she want a retraction? Little, She's
just going to file a lawsuit. This is the year
she wants him to.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Take it back.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
She wants them to, you know, say I'm sorry or something.
Biden made the Epstein comments during a sprawling interview in
which he lashed out at elites and so Epstein. He
says Epstein introduced Millennia to Trump. The connections are like
so wide and deep, and Biden said in one of
the comments that Trump disputes that. Biden attributed the claim

(07:20):
to author Michael Wolfe, whom Trump disparaged in June as
the third rate reporter.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
So tell that's right. Michael wolf has done a lot
of reporting on Donald chall Yeah, he was the one
who's who said that.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Man.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, I tell you, man, So why doesn't she show
Michael wolf Well, why Hunter Biden?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
You know, Oh, yeah, that's right, because I guess it
gets more news when you use a big name.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, and it picks up legs because it's just so
much stuff that Michael Wolfe is uncovered Aby the Trumps,
I guess he got buried, but here was Here's also
was buried. In that interview with Hunter Biden, he reflected
on the fact that the demo to try to try
to sabotage Kamala Harris. They weren't supposed to all in

(08:06):
on Kamala Harris, you know, dropping dimes on that. That
was interesting.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Well, according to the Associated Press, again, the President and
the First Lady have long said they were introduced by
Polo Zampoli. I hope I'm saying that correctly, a modeling
agent at a New York Fashion Week party in nineteen
ninety eight, not.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
By modeling the yeah, yeah yeah. Some some folks give
him another describe it as another with another occupation that
was part of his occupation. But anyway, really this is Pollo, yeah,
the follow guy. Yeah, you can figure it out.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Right, Well, watch what you say about these people who
are dominating the news.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Now, I know we'll get a billion dollar lost to
ourselves pretty soon. Control the news.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, as long as we use superlative adjectives, say nice things.
You know, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything,
including don't mention the name Trump. I guess, but thanks
for your time. God, if we could go on and on.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
We'll save it for tomorrow already then yeah, breaking staff
openfold Friday. It's ten minutes after the top of our
families bringing Doctor Judas Odd, Doctor Zod grand Rising, Welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Good raising, my brother, good your listeners and your staff.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Good to have you back at Doctor has Odd. Has
anything really changed since we had our last conversation in Haiti?
Anything that you can report to us?

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Oh? Well, well, not many changes, except for, as surprising
as it might sound, we have a new president. He
used to serve as a prime minister, now president of
the Consul nine members Presidential Council. We're talking about mister

(10:04):
Sence here will become newly appointed President of Haiti. Comes
as a surprise to most, if not in all, Haitians.
So if anything new, that's it. Other than that we
still have a large scale relocation of Haitian average Haitian

(10:26):
running from gangs, a capital city controlled by the ninety
percent of it controlled by gangs, armed gangs. So it's
a suffering nation.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
So yeah, she's speaking about the gangs, Doctor Azad. The
Trump administration has put a five million dollar bounty for
information leading to the arrestal conviction of Barbecue, the young
man they called Bobbycue. Have you heard that story?

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, yes, this is that that's was stipulated or even
presented by the d C District acatomy to name mister Row.
So yes, we've seen it, we've heard it. What is

(11:17):
it making a difference for the Haitian? I take what
I'm seeing in there. The indictment clearless chip role that
he violated US laws, not Haitian laws. Not, it's not.
Does it change anything for Haitian the orbord Haitian running
from one sector, from one neighborhood to another, I doubt it. However,

(11:39):
I do believe it's it's actually a love letter to
the Haitian National Police if they are to do their job,
if they want to take that risk, I think that
five million dollars can go a long way in buying
the nation to fight the other gangs. If they are
to go after that guy and make it happen and
present them to the ABB or the American government. It's again,

(12:04):
it's a precarious offer, but it is.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, I'm mean to share with this. We were trying
to get him on with us a couple of months ago,
and we just couldn't work out the logistics again to
a phone that could come here, and then you would
have to have a translator with him, So it sort
of died in the water. So, folks, who you know
who you are working on that Redow efforts, see if
we can speak of them, because he's already responded to
the FBI and he says, he denies that he's the

(12:32):
one that's bringing in the guns and the drugs into
Haiti from supposed to be an American. And I'm sure
if it's a Haitian American or an American that supplying
the guns and the drugs into Haiti, that's why there's
so much chaos there. And the FBI is squarely put
in all of that on his shology. So he did
a video to the FBI said, hey, I'll talk to
you guys. You know it wasn't me, you know, it

(12:54):
was somebody else. Sounds like Shaggy, wasn't.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
We're talking barbecue, barbecue, Yeah, social media circulating over the
social and social media state suggesting I mean always helm
it's permittent to me. But it says that he's ready
to speak with the FBI if if they wanted them,
they can come get him. And also there denied that
he received money from that gentleman that wasn't nighted with them. Uh,

(13:22):
not a gentleman. If you issue supplying gun guns to
two gangs, that's not a gentleman action. Actually does a
FuG action. So basically, yes, he denied that receiving money.
He never deny being a criminal, being a thug, being
a guy that's oppressing the people of Haiti. That's who

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he is.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Fourteen half the top the family just waking up. I
guess he's doctor Judis. Audi's a Haitian activist. He basically
here in the States. But you know what a doctor
z when when I used people reached out to us,
and this was maybe about two months ago.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
He was saying that he's been misconstrued, that we're hearing
wrong things about He says he's in for the liberation
for Haitian people. He doesn't want to see people from
other countries come in and take over Haiti. So he's
a reflection of what the Haitian people want. And I
asked you about this previously one time when you're on
and you said that's not true. You still stand by

(14:17):
that that he's not he's lying one.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Hundred and ten, one hundred and ten, that that guy
is a fog. He's not alone. He's not alone. As
you can see, he had supply. He has a lot
of suppliers, but no working fighting for the Haitian people.
That's a lie that you don't fight for to talk
in the twenty first century, you don't fight alongside the

(14:39):
first Black Republic and this western of despair by taking
guns and make them run. You're fighting for the people
that you're running after, you're killing, you're burning, stealing in
their organ That is not a friend, that's an enemy.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Now the case is a chaos, still just concentrated into
just hate and campat the second Logy city or is
it spread out across the island.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
A little by little, it's spreading out. But make no mistake,
Poto Prains is ninety percent controlled by them, and not
long ago, but just about two days ago, they actually
went to the community, the city of Cascaff which is
on top of petrol Val, where they actually killed a

(15:26):
few policemen and also burnt a few ammunitions. So they're
taking ground, bringing fear with them. The killing, the violating
young women. They're doing a lot of raping happening, a
lot of snatching of organs happening. So these guys are
not by themselves, by no means can they be by themselves,

(15:48):
I'll tell you, but get something most to be done.
But when it's happening, but I mean, it's it's intriguing
to see that that will that government, American government instead
of actually getting there and help really help the Haitian

(16:10):
government getting raid of in stole real government, right and
hold that through.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Right there, doctors, we gonna step aside for a few months.
Hold on thought, I'll let you pick it up. On
the other side. Seventeen half the top of the family
just waking up. I guess she's doctor judis out. He's
giving us an update on what's going on in Haiti.
If you want to join the conversation, reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls. Next.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
And grant. All right, he's in family and thanks waking
up with us on this Thursday morning. This is the
fourteenth day of August twenty twenty five. And I guess
this doctor Junis Audi is an activist, the Haitian activist,
and got some news for us about to politically moving
for us. But doctors, how did you finish your thought though?

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Well, yeah, what I was saying, thank you, thank you
for allowing me. So basically what I was saying is this,
it's it's sort of you know, it's a double standard
there from our American government, which Haiti just remind you
that Haiti is just in the backyard of the United States.

(17:38):
So thanks securing Haiti, making Haiti a better place, to
make it a place where people can make it a
livable place. I think it's in the interest of the
American people, it's in the interest of the continent and
the whole hemisphere.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
But for.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
American government to just throw an indictment knowing that where
the gay is, I know, it's difficult, it can be difficult.
I'm not going to take that away to actually just
go and grab them, because that that the fact that
he has a lot of uh, luckys throughout the city.
He has a lot of people working for him, and

(18:18):
there's they are very submissive and in the way that
if they they have no choice, they have to go
abide by his rules otherwise they get killed. I get that,
But we are stronger. Intelligence is it's definitely smarter, better
than than than than darkness. So if we really want
to get this gay, we there is a better way

(18:41):
to do this. Take not only UH well, the Felt
police National police has eighty percent of it is actually corrupt.
That that's a deterrent. It's difficult to use a corrupt
force to go after corrupt the people. I understand that too.
But if we go about putting the right government in

(19:02):
place and uh and and and and conduct election in
the country, Haiti has ten departments, So move a few
things to another department and start from there and moved
towards getting rid of those dogs and and those young
people should take a different direction. What's happening in Haiti
is uncalled for. It's it's difficult to watch. And I

(19:26):
think we can they. I mean we can do better
as as as a as a community, as a as
a front net. I think we should do We should
do better than that letting Haiti go down like this
is definitely uh, it's it's hard to watch.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, no, there twenty three Off the topic, I'm glad
you mentioned that. Guys, That's where I was going next.
Why do you think it's so benign neglect of what's
going on in Haiti family? For you know, for me,
I got to check the news. I got to check
Al Jazeera or Sky and news out of the UK
to find out what's going on in certain issues. And
alvias Aeria is putting that. You know, the UANA has

(20:05):
been trying to help Haiti Haiti, but so far they're
asking folks to donate and it's been you know, people
are not donating. Your your sponsors receive the lowest funding
of any in the world. You know, people have turned
that back on what's going on in Haiti. Why do
you think the world you know, if the world body
can get people to respond to to what's going on,

(20:25):
to the chaos in Haiti, why do you think that
that is so I mean, we we we understand it
was first black nation, We understand all of that, and
they're paying the price. But at some point now somebody's
got to step up and help our brothers and sisters
in Haiti, but the rest of the world seems to
be turning turning their head the other way.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Why well, there are a few reasons why we have
the bond allowed ellapsed from from Uh. I'm gonna go
back to do Valier were actually double dealing politician himself
and his son too. That's the whole The whole thing was.
You know, there were double dealing politicians and now we

(21:03):
have a bunch of deceitful politicians and Haiti uh so
and so whatever money the people send and Haiti uh
they never reach the people. And that's why you have
so much powerty in Haiti, no job and whatever type
of hate that one might say to Haiti, it's not
that reach the people. It goes to the those those

(21:24):
those deceitful politicians double stend. So basically people, that's that's
the tent. People started to take notice that the people
of Haiti, although they make the effort uh have their
situation of that shift.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
There's the major shift on Haitian there's a transition from
poverty or whatever, a sort of uh break from from
either relocation. As we say, we have large scale locations
in Haiti, right Now that's because of gangs. And that's
not only the gangs. It's being filled being fueled by

(22:01):
by bad politicians. As we say, So it's hard to
just pinpoint certain people, but the whole that's that's that's
one of the reason, that's one of the reasons why
we're seeing this because it's not reaching the people, and
people are I mean, the outsiders are looking at it
and say, well, we have to rethink it. But who's

(22:23):
to rethink it? So basically, we have a few Haitians
outside of Haiti that's all capable of making that happen.
We have a few people outside I'm not saying all
of us, but a few people are out of out
of Haitey are capable of making a difference in Haiti.
But how do you prepare the way, make ways for
good people to get into politics? When bad politicians the

(22:47):
sinful man of being rewarded for not helping but feeding
your pocket with with whatever you can call that looks
like money, they'll take it. So it's very difficult for
even Haitians. Let me give you a quick story we
have about Haitian diasporas. Say, every money, every transaction, whether

(23:11):
it's Western union or any other money wire that you're
do in Haiti, the Haitian government until today from twenty
ten and on and today that take a dollar fifty
out of it. There is no account to that money.
It's going straight to these politicians Markeets. That's on top
of all the aids that being received that they're receiving

(23:32):
from outside. So basically we have a bunch of people
that never get enough money. They're super rich, and what
is spending their money is outside of the country. There
is no money allocated for sport, no money put aside
for the next generation to come. If anything they're giving
the new generation here is done new education. So what

(23:55):
they're doing is that they're preparing Haiti to be in
chaos for at least another fifty years. Because when you
take the new generation, you're feeding them. You tell them
they don't have to work, and they can steal go
around there and get used to mistreating people. And I'll
tell you what, nature don't take pleasure. It does there's
a way that nature respond to those kinds of things.

(24:16):
And that's me being a theology on the side. But
in all reality, all reality, what's happening is people are
suffering and Haiti. If remain that way, we'll suffer for
generations to come.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Twenty eight after the top there with doctor Judas Ardi
is an activist in the Haitian community and family. You
know there, for the grace of God, go I had
asked ship which stopped in Haiti or Panama or Dominican
Republic or Brazil, we'd have been having these conversations on
a more personal level. So you know, we all made
the same trip, we just took different ships and they
stopped at different ports. That's why brothers and sisters in

(24:55):
Haiti need our help. But doctors, are you saying that
if there's a new political force coming on the scene, now,
can you tell us about that?

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Well, the American the Haitian diaspora have been organizing itself
all the difficult, but you're getting there, getting somewhere from
the Office of the Haitian Diaspora and and that somehow
now ticket Post and now there are other political parties

(25:24):
from the daspora that's all looking at how they can
help and been very active in helping certain uh you
know serious, I'll say it put it easy to say
that there are people that see a better Haiti, that
wants to see a better Haiti while collaborating with other
nations to make it happen. So yeah, so there are

(25:49):
a few parts. There's a few part of the diaspora
that's organizing, preparing themselves whether for the next election or
uh in any way possible to help better the situation
than Haiti.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Okay, have they been identified yet, doctor, do we know
where we are?

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Well? Personally, I've been working with the with one one
one party and that is that is the the Party
of the People. It's it's uh the the ah the
Democratic Party, Democratic Liberal Party of Haiti. It's being led

(26:34):
by one of our brothers there of course from from
Porto Prints and that you know, very intelligent doctor uh
uh and a few intelligent people around the table. We
can do so we discuss the future and what can happen,
how we collaborate with other citizens of Haiti also citizens

(26:55):
of the world that are capable and on helping make
that happened. But we have uh dog doc Ordoche, which
we whom we referred to as the big Rock. So
basically the idea is that every Haitian is a little
gravel uh and couple capable when put it together become

(27:15):
a big rock to run, run over the insecurity in Haiti,
run over an alphabetism uh and and and and so forth,
and so great to bring about the change and run
after that darkness that you know lingered over Haiti for
the past I'd say four years, make it un not
livable for the averagation. And while we're seeing a group

(27:39):
of people like nine members, a consol of nine presidents,
it's unheard of, unheard of and unacceptable. Nine console, a
consol of nine members getting money, getting rich right in
front of us, while the people cannot even read uh.
Instead of having peace or even looking for a better
life uh under you know daily errand what they're having

(28:03):
is gone running after them, leaving the little they have
behind to seek shelters and midshift communities of stadiums all
over the world while they're being rich and killed, the
organ being snatched to go. Were not sure, but this
is just a nutshell of what's happening in Haiti. And

(28:26):
what can happen is that the bunch we have people
outside of Haiti that's all very concerned uh and capable,
very capable of taking Haiti out of this MAJORI while
collaborating again with the international community capable because what we're
seeing there is again we have people from multiple places,

(28:52):
multiple generations, taking over Haiti, running Haiti uh at no end,
just to get rich while the people are suffering. So
this is unacceptable. We can do better than that, all right?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Twenty eight Away from the top of that, I got
to ask you this question. You know, when I was
in Benin, the brothers over there said, do you tell
the Haitians in the United States they can come home?
And I've read recently that they're offering that, you know, citizenship,
especially for Haitians or Haitian Americans or Haitians if they
moved to Benina. Have you heard anything like that or

(29:29):
is this some sort of internet chatting?

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well, there's another Internet sighting happening. Nothing that's not reached me.
I've not seen it. I can't comment on it. But
if something like that, I wouldn't be surprised something like
that would be in the Internet, and it will be
very attractive to most Haitians living in Haiti because oil abroad,

(29:54):
because the Haitian of becoming more like, you know, nobody
have nowhere to go. You can't go to home, you
can't go home and what if you want to spend
a weekend. I mean, well, this is just to say
that a lot of Haitians, a lot Haitian, a lot
of Haitian who wants to retire home. They don't want

(30:16):
to be outside of Haiti. They want to be home.
But how do you go home when it's not liverabole,
when you're not being welcomed, you welcome with guns, and
you can go today and get killed when there's no hospital.
Because they're rich people, or even the politicians that take
the money of the country that should be allocated for sport, hospital, dispensary,

(30:38):
for so much social services, they use it at the
end to buy houses and nations and other lands like
naming Dominican Republic or the US or Canada or France.
And the account, the banking account is inflated and flated
to the max. So and the people cannot read. I

(31:01):
mean we're not talking about money. They're not even have
to get even not even allowed to be at ease
to walk on the street. And and and so I
can see how a feeling that could be if someone
another nation would say the door is opened for a Haitian.
And you know, if you can't do feel I'm uncomfortable

(31:22):
at home, or if you're outside of Haiti, you think
about going home, you can visit displace. I mean, I
think that's.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Very because most of the Haitians have the feeling of.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
Using those appelling things or someone think of it and
just put it together with the help of AI.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I believe right, because most of the Haitians a director
centers from from Benin. But hap Me said that though
twenty five away from the top out with doctor Judis
Audi an activists out of Haiti, a Haitian activist here
in the States, the doctor's art who benefits from the
chaos in Haiti because he's, you know, trying to figure
out how to solve the problem. You go to the
rout who's is this? Is there any group of nity

(32:01):
that's making money off the misery of the Haitian people?

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Well, uh, well it's hard. Nobody really knows. But if
someone is and then no one knows anything for nothing,
let me let me just put it together. Let me.
I can't put it all together, but let me just
touch a few points. If organs are being snatched from
human beings, there must be someone benefiting from this. If

(32:27):
if if guns are being sold at a large scale
in a country and in any area, someone is benefiting
from it. Uh and uh and and and if one
country can nine can have nine, nine not one, not two,
not one president and and and a prime minister or

(32:48):
vice president. Nine presidents are equally powerful. And therefore I
do not believe it is just happening by mistake. It's
just all coordinated and and all. Uh, it's not if
someone is benefiting from it. Your guest is good, is
as good as mine. But just by looking at it

(33:09):
a bit, we can cross the street in the one.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay, we come up on a break. But we also
want to talk about You mentioned two things so people
may be benefiting from from the chaos in Haiti. That's
the weapons of people sending weapons into the country. Also
the harvesting of organs. Obviously the first the guns. No,
there's no people manufacturing guns in Haiti that we know of.
There's no you know, factory making weapons. That's first. And

(33:36):
you mentioned that there's no major hospital in porter Prints,
So if they're harvesting these organs, are they doing it
in the capital? Is in the countryside? Is it Campation?
The second largest city where is it. And obviously they've
got to transport these organs and they've got to be
they got to they need they need an apparatus to
get it, to transfer to get to somewhere else, or
to fly them off the island or send them over

(33:58):
the Dominican Republic. Let's talk about that after we check
the news. Twenty three minutes away from the top of
our family it just checking in, just waking up with us.
I guess this Haitian activist, doctor Judas Ard. You want
to join this conversation, reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls after the news. That's next.

Speaker 1 (34:24):

Speaker 3 (34:47):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Thursday morning. I guess is doctor Jussa, doctor
sad is a Haitian activist. He's giving us an update
what's going on on the island. You want to get
in on this conversation, reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six at
sixteen away from the top of the hour before we
go back to doctors, let me just remind you. Coming
up later this morning, we're gonna hear from the University

(35:08):
of Houston's doctor Gerald Horn and has hues you. We
cover a lot of territory with doctor Horn, so this
will be no different. Before we hear from Dr Horn, though,
writer Simeon Booker Muhammad will join us. He's gonna provide
us with an update on the UFO phenomenal and people
used to you know, pooh hoo, poo poo whatever you
know UFOs, Now that people are taking this years now,
Donald Trump is threatening to release some classified information on

(35:30):
UFOs and tomorrow again, it's Friday, and we're gonna invite
you to join us for our open Phone Friday program.
You can free your mind and reach out to us.
Start at six am Eastern tim right here in Baltimore
on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on
FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty w
L Doctor Zard Before we analyze some of the problems
in Haiti, who's snatching these organs and who's providing the weapons?

(35:54):
Rick in Atlanta has a question for you. He's online too,
Grand Rising Rick, You're on with doctor.

Speaker 8 (35:59):
Zod Ro assad Uh I've spoken to you before and
I asked you this question, and I promise not to
ask you again, but I am I want you to
explain as much as you possibly can answer the listening
audience about the spiritual ceremony that took place at Voice Kaman,
that sponsor, that that inspired the Haitian Revolution. If you

(36:22):
talk about Bookman, there was a woman of allD I
believe her name was Fatima, There was the old taken,
there was an animal I think it was a pig sacrifice,
and uh, the details of the ceremony, and I will
it is not I got your question. I will say
that I catch a lot of flash because I encouraged

(36:45):
African Americans to exercise their Second Amendment right to own
a gun and the resist white supremacy. But I do
this coupled with a spiritual awakening, and I think that
the Haitian examples that inspired the We've got to understand
that after the spiritual awakening, these people are prepared to fight.

(37:08):
And I'd like you to tell the audience as much
as you know about this this ceremony and the details
and the implications of it. And you even said at
one point that it still exists. The religion you call it.
It's still existing Haiti. Tell us the nature of it
and how it is thriving or how the essence of it.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Thank you all right, Thanks Rick Factors.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Well, thank you for the question. That's the essence of
the Haitian independence and their spirituality behind those who do
that create that actually going to create a nation also
known now today as who do but also so demonized
so far, and perhaps we're probably not going to get

(37:58):
to that point. But as far as women and they
Haitian independence, there are a few names in there. We
have actually Victoria men too. She's also known as Toya
uh that was told to be Jean Jacques Celine with
the father of the nation's mentor uh that a woman
and spying soldiers and also also Sealed uh Latiman, a priestess,

(38:23):
and she was instrumental in forming network uh to for
information of the plantations. She was the network maker uh
and uh. Then there's also Mary Jeanne Lamontainer, known for
her bravery and skilled during this battle uh the battle
special at Greta pr O. She fought a uniform alongside

(38:48):
her husband uh Da Lamartineer. So we have a few
women in there. To stay within the question. Uh, we
don't a lot of names. A few names. We have
Captain Flow, who actually saw the flag, the very first
flag of Haiti. So we don't like women. And I

(39:12):
also say always, even if we did not have a
name for the for the uh, those beautiful names and
beautiful souls, that's all still a believe linger around. I
believe that a man, before becoming who we are, depend
on a woman. And it doesn't matter how big you are,

(39:33):
is that it depended on a woman at some point
awhether from her boom, from her belly to being to
seeing your first smile and life. That is love. That's
what we call love. We get our love from our mothers.
So women are by far the most important creature of this,
of this beautiful earth we call home. Even if we

(39:55):
didn't have the names, who would consider that? But again
with the religion now, and and let's go back, let me,
let me be. And I can't go too deep on
this because and and and that not everyone will understand it.
But we're always speaking with one person. It's better to
speak directly with someone instead of speaking uh in a

(40:15):
general way, because we don't know who's who who's listening
and who wants to know all that? And it can
be perceived as offensive at some point, but who do
is not a religion of of of the of the
so called evil as it's said, because again considering religiously
good and evil, of sleeping in the same and the same, uh,

(40:38):
the same house, it's which pole you choose. It can
be good, it can be bad. So basically, uh, the
essence of the of the independence uh is the same,
is no different than any other religion in the world,
and that use either literature, philosophy or religion to get

(41:03):
to gain independence. In this case, Haiti patients gather around
what we call the fire ceremony at Eman's house. So
it's a house where all the members of the network
gathered and one spot called the owner of the house

(41:26):
is Eman, and they went to have a ceremony. And
that ceremony is not the fire or the wood ceremony
at Iman's house. So basically that's where they're going to
enterpret they want to call the whatever that's transpired them
to have the strength it takes to go after their freedom. Basically,

(41:51):
the independence is no different again, and anything and everything
in life and other for life to begin, there must
be a woman, and whether it was the us that
we consider as a mother, an other. For you to
get to gain food, you have to dig and put
a seed in there, another for it to grow, and
another for us to have babies, we have to have

(42:11):
a woman. Another for for any religion, and even if
we go further, even God itself itself, I say another
for to give a physical universe, as we call it,
for the Earth to exist, for for the planet Jupiter
to exist, and the nine planet in our system, a

(42:33):
solar system to exist. There was at some point, according
to tomat so that the god men l have to
go to the other god female and which is the Schekina,
to ask her can we put together? And that's what
the Bible means by saying make let us make man

(42:56):
in our image.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
Who is it?

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Who is this God is talking with? And so that
and so this is the conversation between two people. Is
God speaking with the woman and says, let us make
physical universe. Because before that physical universe there was a realm.
And that realm is definitely a spiritual realm that we
exist in the world that is no pain, no cold,

(43:19):
no heat, where everything is perfect. What we call paradise
and that was subsequently later according if you look at
the Bible, although it's concealed, you would see that there
was a change at some point there was a paradise.
Then there is what we have right now as a
physical world. And so if we go back to that ceremony,

(43:43):
that is what's happening. Something is transparent. We're moving from slavery,
from slavery to freedom. So basically that's where.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
We are right eight away from the topic. And for
most folks they call it bhudan and not a voodo.
I think is the European started and put in negative
connotation is on it. But they have a Boudant conference
international conference in Benin. We talked about Benin earlier, so
because so many of our Asian brothers and sisters, that's
their original land uh Benin in Africa. But I just
want to add this though, for the family that's seven

(44:13):
away from the top. You know, Haiti has a long
history in this country, especially in Louisiana. But for Chicago, Chicago,
Jean Baptiste point Disable a Haitian brother. He was the
one who discovered in Chicago. I'm not sure that many
people know that that Chicago was discovered by a Haitian brother.
I just want to lay that right there. But the
doctors are question, uh the question we talked about who benefits,

(44:37):
and you talked about the the first you talk of
the ammunition that's getting into the country and also the
organ harvesting that's taking place. We don't have the time
to get into both of them. So let's just talk
about the organ harvesting that because obviously that they've got
to have a system set up because those those organs,
once they ripped them out of the hate to put
it that way, out of the people's bodies, they've they've

(44:59):
got to you know, be on ice and then they've
got to get shipped and flown out because obviously unless
there's some some place in Haiti where they're performing these
uh you know, doing these organs and implanting them and
the folks who are paying for these organs, do you
have any idea how have that situation? How that set

(45:19):
up is so they fly them to Dominican Republic and
they flying them to Miami or or or Puerto Rico.
Do you do you do you have any idea how
that's working?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
No, we do not.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
We do not.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
However, the the the proof is there because citizens living
in the country have been report I mean they've reported
that they've seen organist course on the street being burnt.
And that's the purpose, that's the only purpose of burning them,
so they don't realize that they were actually killed. And

(45:52):
when they have too many of them, they have no
more the places. Uh, this complete disregard for the human
being or the the citizen, and they burned them on
the street. But if I was to if you were
to look for a closer, I would put civilians around
the not only not only around the airport, the small

(46:15):
airport of eighty, but also I would put the civilians
or some sort of around the border between water Prints
and Dominican Republic. So basically it's happening and listen even
be to event before and twenty ten. From twenty ten
and up, the State Department is placed Haiti and special cases,

(46:38):
and that means it's under any any control of government
a special case again in twenty twenty four. It's been
like that for the past fifteen years and then it
was controlled the game controlled. Last year it was eighty
percent of the street of the city of city put

(47:00):
of Prints were controlled eighty percent by gangs, so now
it's ninety percent. We were talking about at least thirty
seven inmates escaped from prison and fifteen thousand residents were
being you know, displaced, displaced, a run away from their house.
Now it's actually past. Let's triple that number. So basically

(47:24):
it's exploitation to the max. There is no other place
on us where human trafficking is happening as it is
in Haiti. And so this is not limited to organ trafficking.
We're talking about sex trafficking. We're talking about rapes, and

(47:44):
when people go through those trauma, imagine who they become socially,
what we're dealing with. So many women that we're dealing
with in those case. So there's a lot of help
needed and we need the government now, we need the
government yesterday capitable of you know, bringing peace, but also
dealing with those trauma throughout the country, young people and

(48:07):
women being traumatized twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
And of course we.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Have to take we have to have the government capable
of taking post gain control of a bride.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Hold that door right here, yeah, hold that throw right there. Doctors,
We got to check the traffic and weather in a
different cities, So three minutes away from the top of
their family. I guess it's doctor Judis Aldi's a Haitian
actresscripts and update what's going on in the island. You
want to jump in on this conversation, hit us up
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls. After the
trafficking weather up. Take that's next.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
You're fucking with the most submissing the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
You're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Granting family of Thanks are waking up with us on
this Thursday morning too. After the top they with our guest,
Haitian activist doctor Jude as Ard Dr Zar give us
an update on what's taking place in Haiti before we left.
It's done about the trafficking, human trafficking and also harvesting
of organs from humans and also the fact that the
country's overwhelm with with the gangs, Doctor Zard. In moments,

(49:36):
we have left two questions. One at the port of Prints,
the capital, is the airport opened as one? And two
are the schools open or is it still chaotic there?

Speaker 5 (49:51):
It is still chaotic that's a temple questions answer. Uh.
The as far as the airport, it's a yes and no.
We've noticed that we see the parties being dropped into
this kind of airport. The airport prints. However, where they've

(50:13):
made progress, where other airport of the other department of
the country, like especially in cap Haiti, people can actually
land there now. Uh, the airport is capable of receiving
in in aircraft. And also in the southern district of Okai, uh,
the south it is also available for people for aircraft,

(50:36):
large aircraft to actually land landing. So they're making progress.
But as far as open part prints, hey, quorter, prints
is closed. That's that's the quick quest. That's quick answer.
It's closed. Are they trying? My point is why are
they not moving to a different location but made Perhaps
they don't want to give up the capital to the gangs,

(50:59):
that's a fair assessment. But while doing so, they should
move a certain aspect of the administration of the government
to another place, while they actually working on calling the
getting raid of those gangs and portal prints.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Uh to a little here because we're raising a clock here.
We got the brother Simeon book and Muhammadan deck but
actually this because it's really troubling, this this harvesting of organs.
You know, these are human beings, and are the places
and this probably stupid question, but are the places in
Haiti where small planes can come in they can snatch
these organs and just fly out and nobody knows and

(51:37):
then you know, probably landing the Dominican Republic or somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Let me give you a very quick idea of how
things are happening. So basically, if they do anything like
that hypodatically, they wouldn't have to fly it right away.
First of all, they can you know, there are things
that can happen the whole city from Porto prints and
save National Palace all the way to caw Full or Grace. Yeah,
there are gangs it gain control. So if they all

(52:03):
all viveout some meaning living together, they're all talk with
each other. If someone is going through with something, the
car is going through, it's going through as an official car,
so it's being it's passing by. If it's all of
them doing it, they already know what's happening. It's not
it's not gonna be questioned because there's no government to
question it. As far as little plane and lending. Yes,

(52:24):
there are a lot of places where helicopter or small
planes can can are able to lend.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
But again gangs are they implicated and the trafficking and
the harvesting of wargans.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Doing all the control. They control everything. That's what control.
That's what means they try. They did, that's what they've
been doing. Control traffic and people have to pay to
go through the stops. You have to pay them and
sometimes if you look like you perhaps have some money,
that's how you get kidnapped. So people are passing through.

(52:58):
They control the traffic. Now have the perimeters, they have
their stopped that stops and you stop and do you
pay for you for you just like as in the
or you say the turnpike. You have to pay and
go through. And that's all they make their money in
such so it's it's really controlled. It's not like hyperbridy
or it's not a joke when we say it's controlled.

(53:21):
It's totally controlled by them. They control the whole thing.
There's no government, no police doing the job.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
The family just checking in six half of the top
they are with we're speaking with doctor Judis Ali's a
Haitian activist and then we start off the conversation about
the fact that one of the gang leaders, the main
gang leaders, goes by the nickname of Barbecue. The Trump
administrations will put a bounty on his head, five million
dollar bounty on his head. And he just spoke out
and says he's not the one who's causing all the

(53:50):
chaos in the country. And we've been trying to get
a brother Barbecue on because he's but doctor sadd said
he's a straight up thug, and he says he's a
freedom this so we're trying to give him a platform.
So those of you working on that just throw up
your efforts and so we can get the brother on
and say we can hear what he has to say.
But doctors are.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
I don't think he deserves any voice. I think he should.
You don't think so he should stay where he is. No,
he doesn't deserve all that. That guy is a killer,
is a fog, is a criminal, should be in jail.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
All right, Well, look before we let you go, though,
how can folks help you, because it's just it's just
benign neglect that that the world has turned the other
way as we saw the are reported to what the
un said Al Jazeera said that the response when when
you know, the United Nations decided we need some help
to help brothers and sisters, and Haiti the sponsors the

(54:42):
lowest they ever received. So Haitians are our brothers and
sisters that had it been for this our ship is
stopping here or stopping in Haiti or Panama, Jamaico, Brazil,
we'd be facing the same problem. So it's a problem
that the Black dash Board has to has to reckon
with and has to deal with. So Doctor's art. How
can folks if they want to help you, because I
know you're working feverishly to to you know, make the

(55:05):
right things happen in Haiti, how can they reach you?

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Certainly? I mean I can be reached on Facebook. As
far as personal, we're working on the m B l H,
which is the political party that possibly will be going
to election in Haiti. So when I come back, I
will definitely give you the website where people spooks can
contribute if they wish to do so, and that will

(55:29):
be for the for the next for the upcoming election
to go ahead about our campaign. But however, for now,
if someone want to reach me again, Doc brother, if
someone reached Calnet and definitely that can find me if
they find you, but that can be found on Facebook.
And Judy Zoidb.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Is there a date set for elections, doctors Art Uh.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
No, we're not sure the date for election. However, we're
getting prepared. But what what what's good is this?

Speaker 9 (55:57):
Uh uh?

Speaker 5 (55:58):
The effort being done change government. The intention, we believe
is to have election of the country and we are
not going to be on the side of the of
of history. We want to be part of it.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Good for you and thank you for all you do,
and thank you for reporting what's going on in Haiti
because right now, you know, very little gets covered on
what happens in Haiti. All the cameras are gone, the
news people are gone, and again not just benign neglect
from the United Nations, but from the media as well.
So I really appreciate you keeping us up todate what's
going on in Haiti. Thank you, doctor z Odd.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
I appreciate your brother. I appreciate you very much, and
the people of Haiti appreciates you too.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
All right, family, that's doctor Judas Audi's a Haitian activist.
Give us an update because people are just ignoring Haiti
and we cannot afford to do that. There's our brothers
and sisters there eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six. Keep that number handy. You need
to speak to our next guest, who happens to be
brother sime and Booker Mohammed Slama Lake and my brother
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 10 (56:59):
Wellam salon, excuse man, way to be back.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah, you know what song folks, when we talk about UFOs,
you know, we talked about unidentified you know, identified foreign objects,
identified flying objects, people will look pooh pooh and like,
huh man, you guys are hallucinating or or they're now
they're saying, it's all what we're seeing is drones. And
but then Donald Trump comes up and says, hey, we've

(57:25):
been keeping tabs on this for quite some time. We've
got some files on this. We're going to release them
and let the American public understand that there are really
some unidentified flying objects that are around, not just in
Area fifty seven or some of the people mentioned in
Jersey recently. What's the very latest of that you have learned?
Brother Simeon?

Speaker 10 (57:46):
Okay, well, you know, excuse man, I've got allergies President
Trump did announce that the UFO files were going to
be released. I guess it was the day inauguration day
or the day after. Taulca Gabbert said she had one

(58:09):
hundred people getting the files together preparing to release them.
And you know, those UFO files have not been released
as yet. Just recently, Taulca Gabbert, the Director of National Intelligence,
related to the New Jersey event. We're literally hundreds of UFOs,

(58:37):
not definitely, not all drones were spotted in New Jersey,
New York, Eastern Seaboard, other places in the country, Virginia,
and overseas. She recently said she had questions about out

(59:00):
the veracity of the reports on that situation. So if
she's the Director of National Intelligence and she's responsible for
the sixteen intelligence agencies and she has questions about, you know,
what happened in New Jersey, and she also said she had,

(59:23):
you know, her own personal ideas about extraterrestrial life that
type of thing.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
I mean, if she has.

Speaker 10 (59:32):
Questions about it, then all I can say is, you know,
this cover up continues to go on, and that's basically
where we still are with this.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
So why do you think they're covering up though? What
do is if they don't want us to know.

Speaker 10 (59:50):
Well that, I mean, that's a very good question, and
it would have to be something that jeopardize the world
order and the status quo. So definitely that could be

(01:00:12):
something extraterrestrial. But at the same time, that could be
an intelligence that's ancient and present on the Earth and
has been for some time, and it has been known
and it is known even in our distant memories, you know,
to black and indigenous peoples around the world. But whatever

(01:00:35):
it is, it's certainly a threat. So from that point
we have to, you know, use collecting information and the
process of elimination to determine exactly what's going on. What
we do know is with UFO phenomena, you know, unidentified

(01:00:57):
flying objects and that also refers to submersible objects as well.
We're basically looking at whatever the real intelligence is that's
behind sightings that are unknown. But we have to also

(01:01:18):
include in the UFOs other things that are going on
as well, where you have man made flying objects from
the government and private corporations that are pretty well excepted

(01:01:40):
that these have been reverse engineered from earlier UFO activities
and findings or.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Could be.

Speaker 10 (01:01:53):
Extraterrestrial. Then you have natural phenomenon that could you know, lights, clouds, birds, lightning,
things like that that could be misinterpreted as UFOs. And
then you also have the possibility of foreign interest. Are
foreign objects from other nations that you know, are overflying

(01:02:18):
a US airspace. So it's a pretty complex issue from
my perspective. And I've been looking at this for a
long time. I you know, looked into it, and I
have to go back to the origins of this in

(01:02:40):
the modern air and that takes us to the nation
of Islam, going back to the early nineteen thirties, you know,
talking about the Great Wheel, the mother Wheel, the mother ship,
the mother plane, the baby planes. And when you look
at the time frame between then and now and you

(01:03:03):
see all this activity in disguise with drones and unman
eric aerial vehicles UFOs and what have you, it really
adds to the UH or gives us something to speculate about,
you know, why this is being covered up and why

(01:03:23):
after seventy five years of government programs and I'm literally
trillions of dollars of tax being money being spent as
we speak, we're you know, no further along with government
information being released than we were fifty or seventy five
years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Yeah, above the right there, brother Saman, take a short break,
and brother Simon Booker Mohammi's a I guess family, now
you may recognize the first part of his name, Simon Booker.
He's the son of that famous writer, his dad, Simeon Booker.
We're talking about talking about UFOs and I question to you,
and I'll let you ponder this while we take the break,
is anywhere in the Quran or anywhere in the Bible

(01:04:06):
just mentioned about UFOs. Let us know when we get back. Family,
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Speaker 1 (01:04:25):

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Thursday morning. Here we are on the fourteenth day
of August twenty twenty five with the Seaman Book of Mohammad.
He's a writer like his dad us right, and before
I left it, we were talking about UFOs and my
question to him was all anywhere in the Qur'an or
the Bible do they mention UFOs or allude to any

(01:05:10):
UFOs brother.

Speaker 10 (01:05:12):
Man, Yes, so sorry. First, let me just give my
background again, because I don't think I've done this in
a few appearances now, just to get an idea of
you know, where I'm coming from in terms of my skills.

(01:05:34):
During the eighties, I worked as a reading specialist, and
I consulted to CNP telephone at Bell Atlantic UDC in
the federal government, and I had private students as well.
Then in the nineties I wrote for the Final Call newspaper,

(01:05:56):
including UFO coverage, as well as the n PA, the
national newspaper published Association, and during that period I also
worked as a media consultant for a number of civil
rights organizations, the Conchrane Law Firm and other firms and

(01:06:17):
organized labor. Now on the reference, are you still with me?

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Sure we're listening?

Speaker 11 (01:06:27):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:06:28):
Reference references to the ancient texts. Uh, yes, there there
definitely are. And first, let me just give two books
that would be helpful to your audience with details on
that and other information related to UFOs and black people.

(01:06:49):
The first is uh UFOs and the Nation of Islam
by Ilde L. Rashad Muhammad. And then there's a book
In and Out of this World UFOs in the Nation
of Islam by Professor A Friendly, a Professor Findley. Now,

(01:07:14):
I want to approach the ancient texts with something that
you know, we can relate to here, and that is
the Negro spirituals, you know, coming out of the slavery experience,
going back to the sixteenth through the nineteenth century, where

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we have expressions like swing down, swing load, sweet chariot,
the Ezekiel's wheel, and other Bible references that are attributed

(01:08:03):
today to the UFO phenomenon and indigenous peoples. So you know,
there's quite a bit of information on, you know, references
to ancient texts in the Bible, the Qur'an, the Indian

(01:08:23):
Indian text with the flying Vermana. Then you have the
Native American traditions where you know, we talk about the
sky people, the star people. The Hope Indian tribe, for example,
connect their origins to the created star system. Same thing

(01:08:49):
with the Lakota Sioux Uh they have star knowledge and
related to their children being born and returning to the
stars and coming from the stars. You have the same
type of background history and folklore with the Australian original

(01:09:10):
people and cultures. We can look at the Dogon tribe
of Mali, West Africa, which we've spoken of on the
show before, as well as Hawaiian culture which also sees
their origins coming from the stars.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
So you know, there's.

Speaker 10 (01:09:34):
A long and old body of evidence on the indigenous
and ancient connections of the Ufo phenomenon to people today.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Twenty five the top of that with Shiman Book of
Muhammad and Brother Shiman for the folks who don't know
about the Dogons and Mali, can you share that story
with them? For us?

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
Well, the Dogon have a cosmology that centers around the
star system of serious and that was passed down from
their amphibious gods, the Noomas. Basically, their tradition includes details

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about Serious B, a white dwarf star invisible to the
naked eye, and it has a fifty year orbital period
around Serious A, and this knowledge was only discovered by
modern science centuries and centuries later. There's also a prediction

(01:10:47):
for knowledge that they have of a possible third star
called Serious C, which modern astronomies have speculated about, but
it still remains unconfirmed. So going back into ancient times,
they had knowledge of these solar bodies and this activity,

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you know, without the use of telescopes or any of
that technology. And was what was the other group you
asked me about?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
That was just as all. But I got another question
for you. The twenty six out the top they our family.
This is fascinating a research that brother Simeon has been doing. Uh,
you do looking into UFOs, but what about other folks
out there? Other people or aliens as they called creatures.
Has your research showing you that they're other than humans
that are out there in space or as you mentioned,

(01:11:41):
subterranean as well.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Well, I was.

Speaker 10 (01:11:47):
Talking about the subterranean. That's definitely a possibility too. I
think I was talking about some you know, in the
water submersible objects. But yeah, there's evidence going back of

(01:12:07):
that as well over the last hundred years, where you
have numerous reports of different types of extraterrestrials looking humanoid, black,
different races, Nordic, Reptilian. Now that you have a former

(01:12:33):
government scientist talking about a group of aliens called the
insectenoids or something to that effect. So there's a great
deal of evidence or information along those lines. But the
thing about this is that the beauty of it is

(01:12:54):
there is no one hundred percent of surely as to
what actually is going on, and you know, folks really
just don't know. So from my perspective, I defer to
trusted source for me, and you know that's the Nation,

(01:13:16):
And you know what came from Master for Muhammad, Jhanna
buy Laies Muhammad, Minister Fara Khan and the publications and
information from the Nation going back to the nineteen thirties.
So I have to pay a lot of attention to

(01:13:38):
that because it predates everything else in the modern era.
And also for me, it's a trusted, incredible source.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yeah, let me throw this at you thirty minutes out
of the topic. Family, just checking in. I guess this
doctor Simeon Book of Muhammad, I call him doctor. He is.
They're doing a lot of research on you, the UFO phenomena.
You know, we used to have a guess that the
metaphysician is now an ancestor, doctor delbil blairut of the
Mediciner in Chicago, some people may remember him, and he
was working on doing research because he says there's a

(01:14:13):
whole city or there's a whole underneath this earth. They're
trails that there there, you know, species that traveled, and
that it's like a whole different life, maybe twenty thirty
miles deep down onto this earth. He was before he passed,
he was doing research on that. Have you heard anything
like that, because after he passed, nobody else picked up

(01:14:36):
that pick up of that study.

Speaker 10 (01:14:40):
I have speculated about that, and for me, I certainly,
you know, keep that open as a possibility as well.
And there have been reports like that and that idea
going back into films about UFOs, you know, going back

(01:15:03):
to the nineteen fifties, and it definitely appears that there's
is was a connection between Hollywood and the UFO phenomena,
whether that's governmental or just the intelligence of phenomena itself

(01:15:28):
using movies, film, art culture, pop culture to communicate and
to express itself to the world and to people. You know,
it's not clear to me, but it's certainly all of
that is open and possible in my mind because I
really have an open mind on this subject. And you know,

(01:15:53):
if you have an open mind and you look at
the information, and it is an exhausting amount of information
and from the books, from the films to the TV

(01:16:13):
shows that have been going on for a couple of decades,
and these different TV series and shows, everything is not true,
but they're inside of them. There are nuggets of truth
and information that can be used and can be put
together that make a mosaic and to paint a picture

(01:16:36):
of what the real reality is. At the end of
the day, it's the so called UFO experience or experience
that is the best knower of this because you know,
we're talking about something that is beyond conventional sciences. It's

(01:17:00):
beyond the mode of thinking in the West, you know,
with the Eastern mode and way of thinking compared to
the Western way of thinking. So there's so much here
to look at and to analyze, and you know, for
black people to be left out of this discussion. You know,

(01:17:24):
on the mainstream level, whether it's mainstream media, academia, of science, whatever,
they talk about our UFO experience in the modern era
and ancient as if it's an afterthought. And so, you know,
the other thing going on with this with the science,

(01:17:46):
the research and everything else, is this researcher or investigative
bias that Western science has on this subject, and not
just biased, but just actual suppression or destruction of information

(01:18:08):
and misinformation and disinformation to stare people away from the
reality or the truth. So that's why, you know, I
think it's important, not just because we're part of the conversation,
but is there a connection or to me, there is
a connection with why the black deep roots in this

(01:18:34):
phenomenon are being covered up. And you know, I don't
think we do ourselves as service by not speaking about
it and kind of being out of the loop on
this as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Yeah, and let me just say this said twenty six
away from the top, that it's not just the nation
that people talk about UFOs as a religion. You know,
moments are also believe that UFOs out there.

Speaker 10 (01:18:57):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
And also scientologists, Yeah, they be the UFOSS. So do
you do you think the people who believe in UFOs
is that a religion or spiritual How would you how
would you characterize them?

Speaker 10 (01:19:13):
Well, there there is a psychic or experience or consciousness
connection with this whole phenomenon. I mean, you know, we
say UFO, but we're really talking about more specifically uh
consciousness or intelligence that is, by all accounts and by

(01:19:41):
the government and the researchers and everyone else looking into
this far beyond anything that's known, and you often hear
expressions like they're running this, they're in control. Ah, And
truly that's the case. And so when you ask about

(01:20:03):
the spiritual connection, yeah, there there is a psychic connection
with all of this. Going back to the the nation.
You know there the messenger talked about the telekinetic and

(01:20:27):
the telepathic and psychic abilities of the pilots, you know,
of the planes and the mothership, and you know, the
language and jargon and the direction of the research that
we see in the UFO community now reflects what the

(01:20:54):
nation was talking about in the nineteen thirties. And it
wasn't until nineteen forty seven that the term flying saucer
or disc came about. And it wasn't until nineteen fifty
two that the term UFO came about. But before that,

(01:21:19):
you know, you had black people, You had the nation
talking about flying objects.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Right and hold that tho right there, we'll pick get
up on the other side. We got to check the
latest news. And also Parliament Funkadelic they sort of bought
the UFOs and all of that stuff. Flying sauces to
their presentation when they performed why don't you discuss that
as well. Family, you two can join our conversation with
brother Simme and Booker Muhammad discussing UFOs. Some people say

(01:21:49):
it's just, you know, just talk. Some people say it's real.
What are your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls after the news, which is next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your Thursday with us.
It's sixteen minutes away from the top of that with
our guest, the Simeon Booker Mohammad. Brother Simeon is a writer,
is a researchers then a lot of research in UFOs
and they've unidentified flying objects and he's here to report
what he's learned. Before we go back to you know,
let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,
we're going to speak with the University of Houston's doctor
Gerald Horn, and as usually we're going to touch on

(01:22:51):
a lot of stubs with doctor Horne. And tomorrow's Friday,
we'll give you another chance to free your mind. That
all that means is just think for yourself and join
us for our open phone Friday program again promptly six
am Eastern Time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB,
and then the DMV on FM ninety five point nine
and AM fourteen fifty WOL. All right, brother Simeon, before
we left for the news updates, I'll ask you about

(01:23:14):
the Parliament Funkadelic. They were the ones who, you know,
using their music to bring to us that the mothership,
all the stuff that you're talking about, they said, they
put it in music. But before you get to them,
I'll let you finish your thoughts. We sort of interrupted you.

Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
Okay, Well, I've basically was just you know, expanding on
what you were saying about the you know, the connection
of this phenomenon with people and how it is something
that is psychic. And I've found that the connection with

(01:23:57):
individuals is personal, it's individual, and at the same time
it's part of a collective consciousness. And you know, we
see this in black culture going back into the you know,

(01:24:17):
fifteen hundred, sixteen hundreds with the Black Slaves, the Negro spirituals,
our music, with gospel music. You had other groups besides
Parliament Funkadelic. You had son Ra, you had Pharaoh Sanders,

(01:24:41):
you had the fifth dimension, all signaling and echoing. You
know this type of thought. I even include the coal trains,
you know, connecting with home and universal consciousness. But if
you just look at Parliament, Funk and Delli, for example,

(01:25:03):
with the Mothership, you know that that comes right from
the nation of Islam. And uh you know just the
excuse me, the opening verse of that song, the Mothership Connection,
it goes, well, all right, star star child, citizens of

(01:25:26):
the universe, recording angels, we have returned to claim the Pyramids,
partying on the Mothership. I am the Mothership Connection, getting
down in three D late year grooving. Well, all right,
if you hear any noise and ain't nobody but me
and the boys getting down hit the fellas. You know

(01:25:48):
this that incorporates, uh, the phenomenon, our experience, history, current events, everything.
Uh and also an example of how the phenomena, for
lack of a better term, right now, this intelligence connects

(01:26:09):
with people and with society. And it certainly appears that
black people, black culture and history and black music is
the trumpet if you will, to announce this and to
communicate this to the planet. And we do call the

(01:26:35):
Earth Mother Earth, and so you have the mother weed
and the Mother's Ship. If you look at mother Earth
and you look at the largest group of oppressed people
you know on Mother Earth, it's women and mothers. So

(01:26:55):
you know this is all connected in a way that
is both physical, psychic and spiritual and universal. I don't
have a better way to put it right now. Yeah,

(01:27:15):
that away from the tomorrowment Funkadelic. If you look at
the their last verse talking about the ancient text or
Bible text, I'll read a last verse and a half
starchild here. Citizens of the universe getting it on, partying

(01:27:39):
on the Mothership. When Gabriel's foreign blows, you better be
ready to go. Swing low, time to move on light
years and time ahead of our time. Free your mind
and come fly with me. It's hip on the Mothership. Grooves,
swing down on the sweet chariot. Stop, let me ride.

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And so you know that song and our music just encapitulates,
encapsulates this idea and concept as well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
All right, got some folks wanted to talk to you,
brother Simon the South rust of Brenda in DC online
one Grand Rising Brenda. You're on with Simon Booker, Mohammad.

Speaker 12 (01:28:25):
Yes Hi, Grand rising. Interesting conversation Chatty having It is.
I am during the pandemic that I've worked downtown d C.
And during the pandemic week, I had to go down
in the office every now and then, and I took

(01:28:46):
some footage and I was wondering, what you think I should.

Speaker 13 (01:28:49):
Do with it?

Speaker 12 (01:28:52):
Uh, there was there was nobody downtown who was a
pandemic and was locked down. So I was in my
car and driving down the street and no pedestrians, no cars,
and I saw the strangest thing. It looked like a
human walking up the street and I just went in shock.

(01:29:15):
I was at the red light and I can see
it a half a block up and it was rushing,
and I came out of shock for a moment, and
I picked up my phone and took some footage of
it as it turned the corner. I only got a
few speconds of it, and I showed it. I've only

(01:29:37):
shown it to one person because I wanted to make
sure I wasn't saying things. And the other person that
I showed it to, they said the same thing I did.
Doesn't look human, but it looked strange. But when the
light changed, I tried to catch up with it. But
it disappeared around the corner. I don't know where it

(01:30:00):
went too, because all the buildings were closed locked down.
It just disappeared. So what do you think I should
do with that footage?

Speaker 10 (01:30:11):
Well, I I'm not sure about that. I would certainly
like to see it myself, and as there really is
no formal or official place to send something like that
though that's supposed to be. You know what the government

(01:30:35):
is working on to set up so citizens and pilots
and others can report, you know, their sightings in a
safe and confidential way. You know what a lot of
people do is they'll take some footage like that that
they have and they just put it up online, you know,

(01:30:58):
on x or one of the other social media platforms.
But beyond that, uh, you know what we.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Can do, brother Simeon. We can uh put Brenda on
hold and Brenda, if you want, we'll give her your number.
Kevin will give her your number. You got you guys
can discuss that because we've got two more of the questions.
Thank you, I'll put you yeah, and Kevin give give
Branda brother Simeon's number, brother Simeon in that fague too,
there's other question that came in ask your guests, is

(01:31:32):
there a good UFO museum to visit? You said there was,
there's no place where these things are shown.

Speaker 10 (01:31:41):
Well, I attended a exhibit in U d C. During
the during the summer UH. It was a UFO UH
exhibit at the Hershow Gallery. I don't know if it's

(01:32:02):
still there or not, but it was done by two
brothers from Brazil. And you know, they had the whole
floor of the hurts Horn dedicated to their UFO art

(01:32:22):
and imagery. But as far as a museum, that's the
only thing like that I can think of, And I'm
not sure if that's still there at their hurts Horn
or not, but you might want to look into that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
You're right, And another tweet question, Thank you for that
tweet thweet question, says ask him if the ancient Egyptians
has a record of aliens and if the shows like
the Addle Limits of Twilight Zone as any twos as
well as often Well's book and movie.

Speaker 10 (01:32:58):
Well as far as the the ancient Egyptians are concerned
and you can google uh the information, but it's also
in the book I mentioned UFOs and the nation Nation
of Islam. One place I can remember seeing these photos,
but they're actually uh artifacts of helicopters and uh uh

(01:33:31):
flying ships from Egypt that you can actually see and
are real, right?

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Are these are? These are the ones that we see
when you go to Egypt with the other stuff that's
on the walls in these these temples.

Speaker 10 (01:33:48):
Yes, it's it's it's that type of thing. And I
don't have that book right in front of me with
that information, but yeah, you can definitely. I guess if
you google UFO evidence from Egypt or something to that effect,

(01:34:10):
and you know, with AI enhancement, you probably will be
able to bring that up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:34:17):
I would happy to go into more detail if you know,
anybody wants to contact me, you know, when we have
time and are able to do that, right because.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
We come upon a break. So so, but let me
ask you this before we go to check the traffic
and weather in our different cities, and I'll let you
respond while we get updated on the traffic and weather.
Are you concerned though, now with AI and those bots
that are around that some of the information may be
distorted and some of it may be faked, and we
don't know what's real and what's not. Is that a

(01:34:47):
concern for you as a researcher going forward and talk
about UFO and then they'll be, you know, try to
throw people off with these bots and making these things
and creating these things, and people you know, just swallowing
it holy without even doing their research. And research that
you've done is not a major concern for you. I'll
let you respond to that when we get back from
checking the traffic. Family, you do want to join this

(01:35:08):
conversation with I Guess sim and Book of Mohammad. We're
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Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Rock and recognizing family. Thanks for starting your day with us.

(01:35:55):
It's I guess this brother sim In Book of Mohammed,
we talked about UFOs. He's done a lot of to
UFOs and I'm brother Simmons. Do you remember the question
we posed red before the traffic?

Speaker 5 (01:36:06):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 10 (01:36:07):
By the way, I did find that information on ancient Egypt.
If you've got time for it now or anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Okay, uh, well.

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
This is in UFOs and the Nation of Islam. There
photographs of ancient encryptions of futuristic flight vehicles from the
African ceiling beams of a three thousand year old New
Kingdom temple at Abados. And you know it also has
examples of other ancient artifacts and encryptions of UFOs or

(01:36:47):
you know, or or flying objects, I should say, because
they weren't unidentified to them in that book as well.
And on the AI question, no, I don't have a
concern myself. And what I advise is the way I
deal with information. I look at ever I read, I see,

(01:37:12):
I intake information with a questioning mind, in a critical mind,
and I question everything. And so in terms of search
engines or Google, you know, which to me are just
forerunners of AI. If I google something, I still you know,

(01:37:33):
analyze it and review it, and if it doesn't fit
within what I know and what I've collected, and it
doesn't make sense and it doesn't add up, then you
know it flags out to me. And when you get
in the habit of reading and learning with a questioning mind,
then you in a way, you know I've created an

(01:37:57):
algorithm you know, for yourself to flag out, uh, any
information or items that don't make sense or don't add up,
so you know you're not caught off guard and led.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
As straight you know about it?

Speaker 10 (01:38:15):
Go ahead, now, I'm just going to say, in this society,
you have to question everything because you know, look at
how our history, you know, black and is in its
history has been interpolated, destroyed, covered up, you know, and
use for purposes not in our best interest. So you know,

(01:38:40):
we we have to be very careful about everything in
terms of information.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Yeah, and I was going to ask you five after
the top of that family. I guess same and book
A Mohammad discussing UFOs. He's done a lot of research
into UFOs.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Donald Trump is threatening to release these classified documents on UFOs.
Do we know who who collected this information? Was it
the FBI? Was it the CIA? Was it Area fifty one?
Do we know anything else about what may be released?
Because he still hasn't released He's done Doctor King and

(01:39:15):
some of the Kennedy stuff, but he still hasn't done
on UFOs.

Speaker 10 (01:39:20):
No, and I don't expect that that will be happening.

Speaker 14 (01:39:26):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:39:26):
The DNI Telsey Gabbert you know, publicly said, you know,
at the White House that she was responsible for collecting
that information and getting it out to the public, and
you know, had one hundred you know, workers or people

(01:39:47):
going through it to release it. And you know, that's
why I let off talking about her in the New
Jersey incident, because she's saying she's the director of National
Intelligence and she has questions about the official statements you
know about New Jersey from the government and different agencies,

(01:40:07):
and that's really a red flag. And I don't know
if in terms of President Trump, if it was you know,
just using the promise of releasing the UFO files was
election campaign strategy, or if it was something he really

(01:40:30):
planned to do. But once he got in there again,
because he said in his first term he was going
to do something like that and he didn't, he was
more definite about it this time around, and so I
don't know if it was his intent to do that,
and if it was, and he ran up against the
same brick wall that people like or President Clinton and

(01:40:56):
Pedesta ran into when they were trying to get the
UFO file during the Clinton administration. But you know, it
would really be great if they did come out, But
I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
The phenomenal, you foes, let me jump in here real quick,
because you've got doctor horn on deck. Is just in
the United States or are people around the world experiencing
this phenomena as well.

Speaker 10 (01:41:23):
No, this phenomena is being experienced by people around the world.
You know, from the New Jersey incident in the US,
which lasted you know, from like November twenty four to
February twenty twenty five. Didn't just happen in New Jersey.

(01:41:46):
It happened in that region. It happened all up and
down the East coasts. It happened in the Midwest and
the West. Had happened in England, Europe and other places
as well. It seems that they're is a concentration, you know,
in the US, But that could be just because of

(01:42:09):
the technology and the availability, you know, and time of
people to address this type of thing, and other places
people are dealing more with just surviving, or it could be,
you know, there is intentional that they are over the
US skies and other places more than someplace else. Because

(01:42:33):
we certainly see a connection with the phenomenon and nuclear plants,
nuclear weapons sites, military installations and what have you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Brother saman thank you, thank you for sharing the information
with us this morning, and you know, keep us in
the loop anything drops if if Trump decides to release
those files on the uf will definitely have you on
to explain what he's trying to show us. So thank you,
Thank you for all the work that you do, and
thank you for the information you showed up this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:43:08):
Let me give you one other piece of information for
your audience. There's a service called Ask a Paul as
Ask a Paul, you know, poll as an abbreviation for politicians.
It's on all the different social media platforms. It's by

(01:43:29):
a journalist and professor at GW Matt Laslo, and he
gives a day by day update on what's going on
on the hill with UFOs and he interviews these different
congressmen and senators all the time to keep them on
guard and to keep that information out there.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Finally, what are they keeping Why are they keeping this
information from us?

Speaker 10 (01:43:56):
That's the that's the question. I think, you know, through
a process of elimination, I guess like Sherlock Holmes, you know,
we we've got to go with the best information to
come to a conclusion. And go from there, or find
a direction to go in from that information and go

(01:44:17):
from there, all right, or it could just be it's
just going to be a catastrophic disclosure as they call it,
or you know, the phenomenon itself will decide how on
what it wants to do on how to proceed.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Gotcha, brother Simeon. How can folks reach you? You have an
email address that want more about UFOs?

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
Yes, you can.

Speaker 10 (01:44:43):
They can find me on LinkedIn Instagram. My email address
is Simeon dot booker one one one at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
All right, thank you, brother Simeon. Thank you sharing your
thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:45:03):
Oh you're most welcome. I really appreciate it, and you
know I have a good day. Piece to your audience.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
All right, family, that's Simeon. Book of muhammadis to do
research on UFOs. And let's turn our attention now to
our next guest, who happens for in the University of Houston,
doctor Jerald Horn Grand rising, and welcome back to the program.

Speaker 6 (01:45:21):
Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Yes, we do have to invite you to There's so
much stuff going on in the world and you're just
about one person who can answer all of the questions
that we have that's going on in the world. Coming
up first thing tomorrow, this big summit between Putin and
Trump in Alaska. You know, some people say that it's
just uh, it's just theater. That's nothing's going to come
out of it. Putin will declare victory because he's coming

(01:45:44):
to America's speaking on the American soil, even though Russians
still want to get back Alaska. And for Trump, he
just he just wants to be it's just an image
thing for him. He just wants to be seen. How
do you how do you see this meeting that's going
to take place on Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:46:00):
We're hard to say. I mean, first of all, it's
very unusual for two heads of state to meet without
quite a bit of advanced preparation. Oftentimes, on heads of
state meet, their staff works out details and the heads
of state just come to sign documents. But mister Trump

(01:46:20):
has indicated that this will be a different kind of summity.
He's even indicated it's sort of a listening session. I
think what's happening is that the Ukrainians are losing on
the battlefield. The United States is supporting Ukraine, but they
feel they're spending good money after bad However, the European

(01:46:43):
allies in the United States, particularly Germany and France, want
the United States to continue. Vice President Advance has suggested
that if the Europeans want to continue the Ukraine escapade,
then they should basically up that they should buy US
weapons and send them to Ukraine. So I don't really

(01:47:05):
expect much from this summit. I expect the photo op
for mister Trump's photo album.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Can Zelenski trust down on Trump? If you would design
scan this suppressed private president? Can you trust down Trump?
They're having a meeting discussing you. You're not in the meeting, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:47:23):
Clearly not. And you recalled the ambush of mister Zelensky
in the Oval office just a few months ago, which
was a prelude to ambushing the President of South Africa's
throw a remaposa shortly thereafter. Obviously, you cannot trust mister Trump.
The newspaper headlines are littered with examples of those who

(01:47:46):
put their faith and trust in mister Trump and wound
up being sorely disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Family just checking in, I guess there's doctor Jerald Horn
from the University of Houston. A question on any topic,
he can answer it. I'm telling that Smart Brothers is
also an attorney, doctor Hornt. Before the meeting, Donald Trump
is already telling this. It's saying that Ukraine has to
give up some land. How's he How's he telling them
that they, you know, for a deal they made? Why
is he doing that? If I'm a Ukraine I'm thinking,

(01:48:16):
that's what I'm fighting for, my sovereignty. Why should I
give up? What? What's what's gonna happen? What's what's Putin
going to give us? Can you explain why Trump said
that before the meeting even starts.

Speaker 6 (01:48:27):
Well, I think you said it because already Russia controls
a good deal of Ukrainian land. There doesn't seem to
be a prospect of the Ukrainians recovering that land. At
the same time, you're making a sound point with regard
to mister Trump basically negotiating on behalf of mister Zolensky

(01:48:48):
with not without mister Zolensky being in the room. It's
quite extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
And you say that it's the war in Ukraine has
not going well for the Ukrainians versus Lanz. What is
it they need and why don't they appeal to Europe
if a United States is not providing enough weapons.

Speaker 6 (01:49:09):
Well, the Europeans for recent decades have been heavily dependent
upon the United States from military material and weaponry. So
when you appeal to the Europeans, you're basically appealing to
Europeans to go to Uncle Sam to buy weapons and
then ship them to Ukraine. I think that it's also

(01:49:30):
fair to say that there is a population discrepancy. That
is to say, Russia has a population of about one
hundred and sixty million, Ukraine has a population of about
fifty million. That's one of the reasons why President Obama
was reluctant to take this to military confrontation because in

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mister Obama's terms, Russia had escalatory dominance that's being proven
on the battlefield as we speak.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
But having said that, is this impacting the Russian economy
all the money they're spending on wars.

Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
To a degree, yes, But the spanner in the works
as far as NATO and the United States is concerned,
is that Russia is backed up by China. China is
supposedly the number two economy. But if you look at
discrete categories like shipbuilding, artificial intelligence, to a certain degree,

(01:50:31):
computer chips they're number one, and so as long as
Russia is supported by China, it's going to be very
difficult for the United States and its allies to prevail
in Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
So what we're seeing then is sort of a proxy war.

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
Oh, clearly, clearly Ukraine has basically been a fall guy.
I mean, mister Zilinski probably needs to resign a step
down from office because he should not have led his
country into a war that it would be wellnigh impossible
to win. But here we are, all.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Right, hold on though, right there, We've gotta step aside
for a few moments and we come back there. So
folks on this side of the planet think that Suzanski
the Ukrainians treated Africans, you know, shabbily, especially African students
in Ukraine, and so they're not supporting what's going on
in Ukraine. Can you work that out for us when
we get back. Family too, got a question, any question
on any topic, any topic, reach out to us, and

(01:51:31):
I guess there is doctor Jerald Horn. You can hit
us up at eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and will take your phone calls. Next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
Now back to the Karl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
And grund Rising Family in facts are flowing, whether it's
on this Thursday morning where I guess doctor Gerald Horn
from the University of Houston, Dr Horn, and we're going
to cover a lot of ground with Dr Hornon. Just
tell you straight up, Dr Horn. We talked about what's
going on in Ukraine and on this side of the planet.
Some of our brothers and sisters were upset with how
the Ukrainians treated African students after the wars popped off.

(01:52:30):
H Is that a concern? Was that true? Or was it,
you know, an isolated incident and it may happen to
one African brother in a sister in Ukraine and every
you know, we think that they're all treated bad. How
do you see it?

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
No, it's a fair point, not only Ukraine, but neighboring
Poland as well. Recall what happened a few years ago
when this war started. Obviously, no one wants to be
in a war zone, so people were trying to escape.
The Africans came under particular scrutiny because of their Melon
and Richmond and were singled out for discrimination and persecution.

(01:53:08):
So I think brothers and sisters who raised that point
are on solid Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
Gotcha. Twenty one after the top day, Gene is joining
us from Pikesville and Marylton. He's online too, Grand Rising, Gene,
you have a question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
I sure, I do.

Speaker 15 (01:53:23):
A good morning. I'm sorry, it's good Grand Rising called.
I apologize. I'm going to correct myself at some point permanently,
Professor Horn. Are you for me with the term Operation
Barbara Rossa?

Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
Oh? Sure?

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
Have you written about it? Okay?

Speaker 15 (01:53:41):
Okay, great? So most people have no idea and reference
to because he said Poland and I'm sorry, in Germany
I treated the African you know, African people the way
they did. That's because they're Arians, correct, And so what
in the Operation Barbara Rossa, which was the World War
Two when UH Germany invaded Poland and the Ukraine. They

(01:54:07):
that was the Battle for Moscow. That was the Russian
I'm sorry, the Nazi initiative to invade and to the
Russians and at Moscow, and so in doing for what
they did was that the Nazis they went into the Ukraine,
they exterminated probably most of the indigenous people UH who

(01:54:30):
were Russian in the Ukraine and and took it and
that's how, uh, that's how the Ukraine became what it
is now because they replaced those people and they killed
the Jews too. They replaced those people with German citizens
or or workers or enslaved Jews and worked them to

(01:54:52):
death in the Ukraine. But this traditionally, going back to
Catherine the Great, the Ukraine has always been Russia. It
has always been Russia for his back on as far
back as history as I can have research. So again
I say, this is kind of the rewriting of history

(01:55:14):
to make it sound as though I really don't I
don't get it, because again we're leaving, you know, how
the Ukraine became what it is today, and the Russians
are taking back their property as they see it, just
like you know with Mexico, the Mexican American War, if

(01:55:35):
the Mexican Cigans could, they would take back California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Nevada,
you know, because these I'm stolen from that right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Well, let's give them a chance to respond. Thanks Gane
for your question. Doctor Horn.

Speaker 6 (01:55:56):
Well, I would say this Operations Barbarossa June twenty second,
nineteen forty one, and it represents the Nazi invasion eastward with
the ultimate goal of overthrowing the then Soviet Union. That
is to say that Adolph Hitler thought correctly that the
Soviet Union was a motherload of natural resources, including oil, diamonds, gold,

(01:56:21):
et cetera. There is the reason for Operation Barbarossa.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
Got you twenty five of the top question for you?
A tweeter says, please ask doctor Horn to talk about
the Galveston, Texas petition forcing the removal of the Juneteenth
ulmhead Mural.

Speaker 6 (01:56:42):
Well, look, let's face it, Juneteenth basically begins in Galveston,
speaking of June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five, when, according to
the story we've been told, the Lincoln military or the
US military, the men in Blue showed up to tell
the enslaved Africans supposedly did not know that they were free.

(01:57:05):
Now we know that that's a very simple story that
actually elizes the truth. The fact of the matter is
that people knew about the Emancipation Proclamation, but they could
not execute the enpanci price and Proclamation because the Emancipation
Proclamation was not being adhere to by the enslavers. And

(01:57:27):
so there's a continuing battle in Galveston in Southeast Texas
as to the ultimate reach and impact and effect of Juneteenth.
And what the tweeter is referring to is precisely.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
That, all right, doctor Jerald Hauns, I guess family got
a question on any topic, any subject, sports, entertainment, you
name it, politics, law. This is a person who put
the question to eight hundred and four or fives, you know,
seventy eight, seventy six, doctor Horne. We've seen law enforcement
the streets of Washington, d C. What's behind this? Because

(01:58:03):
the crime rates has dropped, not just in DC but
all across the country. Now in the cities, the crime
raiders dropped. And Donald Trump is putting all these troops
on the streets, and he's threatened to do so in
New York, Chicago and LA. How do you see what's
behind all this move by Trump?

Speaker 6 (01:58:18):
Well, the Trump regime has a long term problem with Washington.

Speaker 5 (01:58:22):
DC.

Speaker 6 (01:58:23):
Recalled the Justice a few days ago when the Attorney
General and paneled a grand jury to look into the
so called Russia Gates scandal. Sources in the Department of
Justice suggest that she did not want to unpanel the
grand jury in Washington because Washington has a substantial Black population,

(01:58:44):
many of whom are skeptical of the claims of the
Trump regime, so they impaneled the Grand Jury in Southmark.
If you go back historically, you'll also find that because
the black community tends to the disgruntled and dissatisfied understandably
with persecution and racism, they are not necessarily the most

(01:59:08):
reliable allies in terms of a foreign intervention. Recall what
happened in August eighteen fourteen when the British invaded Washington
d C. Burned down the White House, and slaid applicants
joined the British in chasing President Madison and his spouse
Dolly into the streets. And there are many tools that
are now in play to change the faith and character

(01:59:30):
of Washington d C. One's gentrification.

Speaker 16 (01:59:33):
The other is.

Speaker 6 (01:59:35):
Terrorizing the population through making National Guardsmen into police officers.
National Guardsmen are trained to fight wars. They shoot first
and ask questions later. There have been all these scarce
stories about how black youth are supposedly terrorizing the ordinary

(01:59:56):
citizens citizenry so called the Washington DC. Recall how what
triggered mister Trump was a member of the Department of
Government Efficiency staff dose supposedly was involved in a carjacking
at the hands of black youth. He left bloodied. That
triggered mister Trump. And so here we are.

Speaker 10 (02:00:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
Does this violate the Posse Commatatus Act.

Speaker 6 (02:00:20):
That's something that has been suggested by Mayor Muriel Bowser.
But as you know, the courts are stacked with Trump appointees,
with Conservative appointees, and so it's unlikely that any sort
of claiming brought in the courts to force these National

(02:00:40):
guardsmen out of the district will prevail.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
All right, thirty minutes at the top, I can explain
what the Poscikamma Tatus Act is for our listeners, Doctor Horne.

Speaker 6 (02:00:51):
Well, supposedly, the United States is not supposed to use
the military on US soil, not least against us. But
that's what's fundamentally happening. Recalled that there was a prelude
to this in Los Angeles, and many of our friends
who have not necessarily been in support of the immigrant

(02:01:14):
population should recognize that when the National Guard was sent
into Los Angeles, supposedly it was to route the immigrant population,
which certainly took place, but that created a president for
the National Guard now to be dispatched in Washington, d C.
Mister Trump now is talking about dispatching the National Guard

(02:01:35):
into Chicago. Coincidentally enough, the National Guard is being sent
into cities that seemingly have svisible black populations and black mayors.

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
And having said that, though some people think that they're
rounding up the immigrants down documented immigrants, is there a
possibility that they can come after us?

Speaker 13 (02:01:57):
A possibility sure.

Speaker 6 (02:01:58):
Mister Trump is made clear that those who he calls
quote homegrown, that's persons like myself, I assume yourself were
born in the United States of America. He said that
in the context of sending undocumented immigrants to a prison
in El Salvador in Central America, he says that it

(02:02:19):
is possible to spend home growns to a prison in
El Salvador in Central America. Already, you've seen undocumented immigrants
sent to Jaibouti in East Africa, to South Sudan. A
deal has been worked out to send them to Rwanda
in Central Africa, to send them to the nation formerly
known as Swaziland and Southern Africa. So we're obviously in

(02:02:43):
a very perilous situation right now.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
But legally can he do it?

Speaker 6 (02:02:48):
Though well, as I said, I mean on paper, no,
but you can find a judge. You recalled the state,
and I'm sure that a prosecutor can get a grand
jury to indict a hamds, Dandwich. That's the state of
the law in practice, setting aside what's in the books.

Speaker 3 (02:03:13):
So you're telling us in twenty nine away from the
top down, we should be concerned because it may be
us next.

Speaker 6 (02:03:19):
Of course we should be concerned. I mean, who predicted
in December twenty twenty four what we've experienced in twenty
twenty five. That is to say, with mister Trump twisting
the arms of Ivy League universities, intimidating big law firms,
twisting the arm of big media for example, CBS, Paramount,

(02:03:42):
et cetera, we're in uncharted waters right now. I think
the kind of mythology that we've been taught about the
United States creation in seventeen seventy six being a great
leap forward for humanity. And sure they're imperfection, but the
moral art of the universe bends towards justice, this doctor
King once said. But we're coming to find out that

(02:04:04):
we're in a different reality right now.

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
Yeah, you mentioned schools. It's twenty eight before the time
they have family. He's going after UCLA. Talk to us
about that.

Speaker 6 (02:04:15):
Well, it's not only UCLA has noted. Harvard is being socked,
we are told with a five hundred million dollar fine.
Columbia coughed up two hundred million dollars. He's up the
antie with UCLA, University of California, Los Angeles, threatening them
with a billion dollar fine. Supposedly, this is because these

(02:04:36):
campuses have been laggered in protecting the supposed tender sentiments
of Jewish students. Many of these claimants suggest that when
they are pro Palestinian demonstrations, that this is offensive, this
is intimidating, this is threatening. Mister Trump agrees with them,
because he has not been vocal, to put it mildly,

(02:05:00):
in terms of protesting the ominous pictures of starvation emanating
from Goza at the hands of the butcher, speaking of
Prime Minister nets and Yahou. And so if tuition goes
up at the University of California, because of the University
of California, have to pay a big un dollar mine

(02:05:20):
to the US Treasury, you will know where to point
the finger of accusation.

Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
And having said that, Doc all this money that's coming
into the treasury. He's shown off about this, all the jobs,
they say, that's one, all this money he's gotten from
the tariffs. And then there's a report. I'm not sure
if it's true. I don't know if you've heard it
that's flowing around in the media, that all of us
are going to get a check for two grand Have
you heard anything of that.

Speaker 6 (02:05:46):
Well, I've heard that rumor, but I wouldn't I wouldn't
bank on it. To put it mildly, and in any case,
the United States is thirty seven daggon dollars in debt,
and so if you do the as this billion dollars
from UCLA, this five hundred million dollars from Harvard, two
hundred million dollars from Colombia, it really doesn't get this

(02:06:11):
debt that the United States government basically carries. And intriguingly enough,
a good deal of the debt is owed to the
People's Bank in.

Speaker 3 (02:06:20):
Beijing, Chinese. Oh wow, all right, family, those of you
sent me that question because they heard them. This is
a rumor that's going on on the social media that
we're going to get a check for two granded. He
heard what doctor Horn said eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight to seventy six of Marvin is
joining us from Baltimore. Has a question for You's on

(02:06:42):
line three Grand Rising Marvin. You're with doctor Horn, doctor Hard.

Speaker 16 (02:06:47):
How you doing today?

Speaker 8 (02:06:48):
So all good?

Speaker 16 (02:06:50):
I got only a few questions for you. I would
say this first, AI has been busy and I just
want to say, uh, how would I said? I would say, uh,
Nintendo games, Uh, offshore bank accounts the rich and Ukraine.

Speaker 10 (02:07:11):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (02:07:12):
One thing for sure, if the United States Vermerica got
and depth, I.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
Think we lost you. What was what was your question? Again?

Speaker 5 (02:07:20):
Because all right, I.

Speaker 16 (02:07:22):
Said again, it's something that you you would have to
figure out. I would say, Nintendo games, Okay, Nintendo games,
offshore bank accounts, the rich and Ukraine. If you can
put it all, you might figure out exactly what I'm
saying here that hey y is trying to have. I'll

(02:07:44):
tell you something else. Last thing it was saying, I'm
getting off if the United States and Vermonica was at depth,
why they still send the money to Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (02:07:52):
You figured that one out.

Speaker 16 (02:07:53):
Now it goes along with it goes along with what
I just said. Offshore bank account the rich Ukraine. It
goes along with that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Just figure it out.

Speaker 16 (02:08:04):
You might see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:08:06):
Let's let's see if you can figure it out, because
we come up on a break. Thank you, Marvin, Doctor
harn Can you can you assess what Marvin was trying
to say?

Speaker 6 (02:08:14):
That Marvin is going to have to connect the dots
for me, at least with regard to Nintendo Games offshore
bank accounts the rich Ukraine. I will say this with
regard to his ladder point that the United States borrows
money from the People's Bank of Beijing not only to
keep the government of the United States afloat, but also

(02:08:37):
to send money to Ukraine. I send him money to Ukraine.
Basically means that borrowed money goes to weapons purchased from
the US military industrial complex that are then sent to Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (02:08:49):
Gotcha twenty three away from the top that we gotta
take a show a break family, you want to join
our conversation with doctor Jerald Horn from the University of Houston.
Reach out to us. Our telephone numbers total frea it's
also worldwide eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 13 (02:09:04):
Next.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):

Speaker 3 (02:09:30):
And Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on
this Thursday morning with our guest from the University of Houston,
doctor Jerald Horn. Before we go back to the calls,
I just want to remind you Tomorrow's Friday. We're going
to give you a chance to free your mind and
all that means basically is to think for yourself and
reach out to us. We start promptly at eight o'clock.
I'm sorry check that we start at six am Eastern
Time in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in

(02:09:52):
the TMV on FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifty WL. All right, Kareem in Baltimore has a
question for doctor Horne online too, Grand rise In. Kareem,
you're on with doctor Horn.

Speaker 17 (02:10:04):
Hey peace, Carl Peace, Doctor Horn. I'm a question in
terms of historical perspectives, this the way things are playing
being played out, this is reminiscent of what happened when
we were freed during slavery, as far as the slave

(02:10:24):
catchers and all of that. Do you see the same
playbook being administered with this with this UH president term
presidency and what's happening and what can happen to us
as the people here in the country.

Speaker 6 (02:10:45):
Well, if you're trying to suggest that we're in very
dangerous waters right now, you're absolutely yeah correct. Better to
say that history does not only move forward, history moves backwards.
It is a distinct possibility that a kind of Jim
Crow that existed, for example, in Mississippi in the nineteen

(02:11:09):
forties and the early nineteen fifties, that that could return. Certainly,
if you look at the prison industrial complex as we speak,
with a significant number of our black young men and
women being consigned to a life behind bars, that's hardly
different from the worst excesses of Jim Crow.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
All right, thank you, agreeing, thank you, peace, all righty,
thank you. Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Since you talked about that, doctor Horn, explain
what's going on with his jerry mandering starting in Texas
and now California is threatening to respond to to asking
other Democratic the governors to do the same. What's going
on in Texas well, what's.

Speaker 6 (02:11:57):
Going on in Texas with regard to jerry mandering is
that the Republican majority is seeking to redraw and redesign
congressional districts in order to drive out of power. For example,
Congressman Jasmine Crocket of Dallas. Congressman Al Green of Houston

(02:12:17):
recalled that he had a verbal confrontation with mister Trump
a few months ago when mister Trump was addressing Congress.
There is a possibility that other aggressive leaning representatives will
be driven out of office as well, basically by redrawing
their districts. For example, one map that's been drawn place

(02:12:40):
this Jasmine Crocket outside of her district. She will not
even be residing in the new district. Governor Newsom of
California is threatening to retaliate by redrawing congressional districts in
the Golden State in order to drive Republicans out of
power in the House. Deation of the Golden State. New

(02:13:02):
York State and Illinois have also threatened to walk in
the footsteps of California.

Speaker 3 (02:13:10):
Well, we're seeing that Newsom has said he will retaliate
Prisco Sani's retaliate. Nothing yet from well More says everything's
on the table. Joshua Barrow in Pennsylvania kind of quiet.
Is this the tactic that you think that can help
the Democrats respond? To Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (02:13:30):
Well, certainly, Governor Newsom has been quite aggressive in this regard.
Recalled that he started off in early twenty twenty five
by seemingly speaking to concoliate Maga, conciliating the Trump base,
but that did not seem to be helping his presidential aspirations,
and so now he's become much more aggressive. As a

(02:13:53):
matter of fact, he's been imitating mister Trump's social media
posts by issuing threats, by writing them all in capital letters,
by insulting mister Trump personally. So we'll have to wait
and see if that rhetoric is backed up by action.

Speaker 3 (02:14:10):
All Right, fourteen away from the top, I just gotta
know from Mother Jones. Folks and Mother Jones they're doing
a piece on this as well. We probably have them
on later. But it mentioned not only there after Crockett
in Texas, but and al Green as you mentioned, but
they've identified in Missouri, Emmanuel Cleaver in Missouri, and also
Wesley Bell that's interesting, Ohio, Emilia Skies, South Carolina, James Clyburn, Indiana,

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Andre Carson, Louisiana, Cleo Fields, Alabama, Terry Sewell, and Samari figures.
So they've they've identified those seats as vulnerable when they
do their registrict in those red states. What is the
answer for the Democrats who live in those states, especially
black folks who represent.

Speaker 5 (02:14:56):
Well.

Speaker 6 (02:14:56):
As you know, the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five,
we're marking the sixtieth anniversary this August as we speak,
is on the chopping block right now. It's the Voting
Rights Act of nineteen sixty five that basically was undergirding
the drawing of these black majority districts. But now that
it's on the chopping block, also on the chopping block

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or these black majority districts, I think that in order
to really fight back effectively, our leadership is going to
have to go back to the drawing board and recognize
that we ultimately have to internationalize this struggle. That is
to say that the do best max scene does not

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look very promising right now. The Trump base, they accumulated
seventy seven million votes in November twenty twenty four of
polls suggests that despite the unpopularity in many circles of
what mister Trump has done with regard to redistributing the
wealth from bottom to top, the possibility than the midterm

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congressional elections in November twenty twenty six, that the Republicans
may not be punished by the electorate. So obviously we
must go back to the drawing board and come up
with new strategies.

Speaker 3 (02:16:14):
Yeah, because one of the things he wants to do
is do the census over because he claims that a
lot of illegal immigrants were counted in the census. How
do you see that move?

Speaker 6 (02:16:24):
Well, that's going to be very difficult logistically. Planning for
the twenty thirty census began in twenty nineteen. Mister Trump
rather vaguely has talked about a new sensus. I assume
he means to take place in before their midterm congressional
elections of twenty twenty six. That's more than a notion,
not to mention being of questionable legality. But given the

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fact that mister Trump fired the person who headed the
Bureau of Labor Statistics that comes out with numbers concerning unemployment, inflation,
et cetera, and has now put in that important post
one of his cronies, who will inevitably be coming back

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with phony numbers. We cannot rule out the possibility of
a phony so that the right wing court will then
approve not.

Speaker 3 (02:17:18):
Just that census though, Dr Horne, everything that's come from
the government now is suspect because, as you mentioned, they
got rid of the lady over the who issues the
jobsject for and that's all she does. She doesn't physically do.
She's got a whole team that works with there, but
he and replace it with somebody who likes to's. Somebody
who's there is now going to give the report numbers
that Donald Trump likes. And this is going to cross

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the board on all government reports. What's that going to
do one to the economy, to the credibility of the government.

Speaker 13 (02:17:47):
Well, first of.

Speaker 6 (02:17:47):
All, it's going to warm the economy. That is to
say that in terms of investors, they rely upon reliable
numbers in order to make investment decisions. If the numbers
are bogus and phony, there's going to be a slow
down and investment, a slow down in the economy. Not

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to mention the fact that these terrors are likewise warping
the economy. That is to say that when mister Trump
began to clamor against China, many factories were moved to India.
But now mister Trump has raised the tariff with regard
to goods coming from India. It's very difficult to make

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reasonable investment decisions in this atmosphere of chaos that mister
Trump has delivered Eddie.

Speaker 3 (02:18:38):
Keyes bushing of the economy student to so well and
we're richer and you know and all of that, all
that that grandiose talk is is that just it's just
is that just theater for red meat for his supporters.

Speaker 6 (02:18:52):
Well, it's used to be said at one time. It's
boo bait for the bubble if you believe mister Trump's rhetoric.
I have a bridge in Brooklyn. I'd like to sell you.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
Nine away from the top of Brother Colus has joined us.
He's on line four. He's calling from Waldolph in Maryland,
Grand Rising Brother College with doctor Horn.

Speaker 14 (02:19:15):
Grand Rising. Uh, doctor Horn, my and uh my, my
dear brothers and sisters out there, Doctor Horn. I've been
curious about the political DNA of Texas, Uh that you
have britten about and where you work uh politically. UH
helped me to understand the mindset in the DNA of

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of of the people in Texas when we have those
politicians such as Abbott and and others who have failed
their people.

Speaker 13 (02:19:47):
UH.

Speaker 14 (02:19:47):
As far as the uh. The massacre of the children
there uh. Uh in Texas uh and uh uh the
failure of the grid, the power grid uh and uh
and so many other things.

Speaker 3 (02:20:03):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (02:20:05):
Why is it that the people in Texas, particularly if
Texas has more black people there than any other state?

Speaker 11 (02:20:14):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (02:20:15):
And what is it about Texas there is the Hispanics
all in for for Abbott, even though he has been
against them. Can you help me to unpack that that
DNA of Texas? Uh?

Speaker 5 (02:20:32):
Possibly? Well?

Speaker 6 (02:20:35):
I point you to a recent article in the New
York Times rather columnist Thomas etxel E D. S A. L. L.
And he pointed out that during the Biden years, the
Biden administration poured a ton of capital and government programs
into Texas KEMP, which is on the Texas Arkansas Board.

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They expected that with the boom that then resulted that
many Trump voters could be peeled off. Instead, Vice President
Harris lost that particular area about fifty points in November
twenty twenty four. I think you have to realize that
there is a cultural attachment to conservatism, to reactionary politics,

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not only in Texas, but I would say from the
Atlantic to the Pacific, particularly with regard to the original
settler population, because we should not forget how this country
was created. It was created through an act of cruel
genocide against the indigenous population, which then cleared the ground
for importation, kicking and screaming of millions of Africans to

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build the nation. Given that sort of result in political culture,
should anybody be surprised by the attachment to right wing
reactionary politics by the descendants of the settler population. Historically,
in order to move the needle to on behalf of
those of us who have faced persecution, we've had to

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internationalize the struggle. But that is the arrow and our
equiver that has not been used, at least not sufficiently
to this point.

Speaker 3 (02:22:15):
Six away from the top, you said internationalizing. Is this
the rise that we're seeing now of the Ados and
the what's the other foundation America? These anti black groups
that are popping up. Is this because of the popularity
or of Pan Africaism, pan Africanism being spread on the continent,
especially with the Sahal nations, and a sort of an

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awakening of black folks on the planet. And in this
country we got two black groups who are anti black.
How do you see that this? Is there a connection there, Doctor.

Speaker 5 (02:22:45):
Horn, It's possibly a connection.

Speaker 6 (02:22:50):
But this gives me the opportunity to raise the fact
that the Caribbean and African nations are motoring ahead meeting
in Oddus Albaba, Ethiopia in a few weeks in order
to press a reparations agenda. Interestingly enough, a major beneficiary
if they are successful, will be the so called Foundational

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Black Americans as they termed themselves. They had a prelude
meeting in Grenada in the Caribbean just a few days ago,
and they're preparing an economic agenda. They're preparing visa free travel.
So I would like to think that at this Addus
Albaba meeting that there will be a delegation of Black

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Americans who will link arms with our Caribbean and African
brothers and sisters. And I think that that will take place,
and so that makes me optimistic.

Speaker 3 (02:23:50):
Speaking about that. You know, the diaspora, is the reparation
is the top issue here because you mentioned the meeting
of THEAU and carri com. Is it about trade, economy
or is reparation as part of the conversation?

Speaker 6 (02:24:01):
Do you know, Well, I think it's all of the above.
I mean, certainly reparations is on the agenda. Initially, press
reports suggested that that would be the top item on
the agenda, but if you look at the Grenada meeting
that I just referenced, also on the agenda was visa
free travel for example, make it easier for Nigerians to

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travel to Jamaica for example, and vice versa, making it
easier for Nigerians to invest in Jamaica and vice versa.
So it's a wide ranging agenda, and once again, I
would like to think that our community will not be
left behind.

Speaker 3 (02:24:40):
Let's hope not eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six, doctor hope. I got a step
aside for a few moments. We come back that we've
got some more folks. Want to talk to your family,
You want to get in on this conversation, I guess
is doctor Gerald Horn. To mention, Doctor Horn is one
of my smart brothers out there teaching the University of Houston.
You got a question on any subject, even sports. And
we also got to get find out these latest books.

(02:25:01):
He's a prolific book writer. He's got several books out there.
We'll also talk to him about that as well. You
could join us at eight hundred and four or five
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calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:25:16):

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
And Grand Rising Family in thanks for sticking with us
on this Thursday Money. I guess doctor Joeld Horn from
the University of Houston. It's twenty minutes after the top
of the our Money Mike, as I mentioned, is waiting
for us. He's online too. He's calling from Baltimore. Grand
Rising Money, Mike, you around with doctor Horn.

Speaker 13 (02:25:55):
Good morning, Doctor Horn, Good morning call. How's y'all doing.

Speaker 1 (02:26:00):
Good?

Speaker 13 (02:26:01):
Okay, Doctor, when you mentioned just a few seconds ago
some country that was gonna impose sanctions, was it on
the US? I mean you said somebody was gonna impose
sanctions on somebody? Who did you say that was?

Speaker 6 (02:26:15):
Well, I've talked about US imposing sanctions on Switzerland, on
South Africa, on the SUTU. I've talked about conflicts between
China and the United States of America. So I'm not
sure what you're referring to. Okay, you were talking about
US learning how to use our economics to Okay, Well,

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know what I said was that the European minority in
South Africa is leveraging pressure from the United States government
to impact the domestic situation in their country. In South Africa,
what I'm saying is they're saying that if South Africa
wants tariffs in the United States to be lowered, they
should not embark on a road leading towards land reform.

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They should get rid of affirmative action, et cetera. And
I said that we should try to leverage global power
for our domestic benefits. In the symbol of fashion, that's
what I said.

Speaker 5 (02:27:16):
Okay, well, I believe you.

Speaker 13 (02:27:17):
I've aspired to that for probably the last thirty years,
and I believe it's as simple as not shopping from
November until February. I mean, boycott Christmas. It's easy to
do if we have the proper mindset. But I maintained
African Americans they are addicted to shopping. They're addicted to
spending money. Now do you feel that China's on its

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way out? I feel that the US they're the last
people that Trump is negotiating with because China's in a
unique position. See, they've already have a growing middle class,
and they've already gone to Africa and employed many Africans
to grow the ass they kind of can use later

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as well as India. They have a grown middle class
and see they we can't. We're on our way down. Uh,
the dollar will no longer be the king. And America
feels it and they know it. They're not telling us,
but they know it. They're on their way out, just
like Britain was on their way out and somebody for
them was on their way out. That's it. America's in trouble.

(02:28:25):
That's my taste, and I'll take a response off there.

Speaker 6 (02:28:27):
Doctor.

Speaker 3 (02:28:29):
Thanks. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (02:28:29):
I think that's a very wise and smart analysis. It's
a wise and smart analysis that's echoed all across the world.
I think that increasingly in major capitals there is a
perception that the United States is in decline. What else
can you say about a nation there's thirty seven trillion

(02:28:50):
dollars in debt? What else can you say about a
nation that speaks to put a debt in their debt
by imposing tariffs upon smaller nations. This is not the
kind of strength that one would expect from a nation
on the ride as.

Speaker 3 (02:29:09):
Really speaking about money, Let's go to bricks for example,
doctor Horn, the bricks station seems to be growing. Why
have not they come up with their own currency yet,
or are they got to go to a cryptocurrency or
are they going to some sort of digital currency. What
do you know? What can you share with us?

Speaker 6 (02:29:25):
Well, there is already in motion a digital currency from China.
With regard to bypassing the dollar, I think it's going
to be a gradual process. They do not want to
infuriate unduly mister Trump and cause the United States to
wield its last potent weapon, which is the military. So

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I think that what you're going to see are efforts
between for example, India and Brazil to engage in trade
using their own currency bypassing the dollars, a trade between
South Africa and China using their own currencies by passing
the dollar. In other words, it's going to be a
gradual process of the erosion of the influence of the

(02:30:14):
dollar as opposed to a kind of big bank. Now,
what our audience needs to recognize is that as the
United States loses altitude, this is going to have impact
on our community because to the extent that the exploiters
here in the United States cannot ring profit out of
the international community, it'll make it more likely that they'll

(02:30:38):
try to take it out of our hive, and that's
why we need to be better organized and better prepared.

Speaker 3 (02:30:44):
Got you twenty five of the top thing. I got
to ask you about the Saudias though, what's their role
of the in breaks. Are they still sitting on the sidelines,
Are they still you know, wishing and hoping or thinking
or you know, considering, or are they going to go
in or they're concerned about Donald Trump?

Speaker 6 (02:31:00):
Well, I think it's all of the above. In other words,
it's a lot of head fakes. That is to say,
the studies are playing a double game, a triple game.
Supposedly they're installidarity with the Palestinians. They sponsored this meeting
at the United Nations in June July twenty twenty five,
which was supposed to be rallying international support for the Palestinians.

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At the same time, we also know that the s Thodies,
along with their comrades and other gov monarch they're exporting
religious extremism, particular eleagues to Africa for example, so the
religious extremism will have less potency in their own backyard.
This is very damaging to Africa. I already referenced what's

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happening with regard to the health states, how they're fighting
these religious insurgencies on the battlefield as we speak. So
the long and the short of it is that the
Saudies cannot be trusted.

Speaker 3 (02:31:58):
Twenty six pam Us joining us, Pamelas and calling from
Upper Marlborough and Maryland as she's online. Three Grand Rising
and Pamela, you're on with doctor Horn.

Speaker 9 (02:32:07):
Yes, Grand Rising, call and doctor Horn. I have a
common in some questions. I understand thousands of African Americans
names were removed from the voting roads in South Carolina
and Georgia and a lot of other Red states, and
I understand that the tactic that is brewing now to
remove more names from the voting rolls and the Swing

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states especially as well as continue to do so in
the Red States.

Speaker 8 (02:32:33):
In light of this.

Speaker 9 (02:32:33):
Information, I would encourage all of our listeners to confirm
their voting statuses and to confirm and encourage their family
and friends, especially those in the Red States and Swing states,
to confirm their voting statuses right now.

Speaker 15 (02:32:47):
Now.

Speaker 9 (02:32:48):
My questions are, when they find out that their name
has been removed, what can they do? And can this
be exposed nationwide?

Speaker 12 (02:32:57):
How should we as the people, check.

Speaker 9 (02:33:00):
Ourselves in this environment and what is it going to
take it stop Trump and his and his minions inside
America and outside America.

Speaker 6 (02:33:11):
Well, I'll defer to Carl's upcoming guests. The way I
understand is a specialism voting rights from Mother Jones magazine.
Is that correct, Carl?

Speaker 16 (02:33:20):
Yeah, but I will see this that.

Speaker 6 (02:33:25):
Obviously, you should go to the office of your state legislator,
the office of your congressional representative, make your case and
have their staff intervene on your behalf, and I'm sure
they'll be more than happy to do so.

Speaker 9 (02:33:41):
Do you think this would be effective for the twenty
twenty six midterm elections?

Speaker 6 (02:33:46):
I think so. I mean that's what fourteen months away.
I mean, we can move the planet in fourteen months,
let alone get voters restored to the roles.

Speaker 3 (02:34:00):
Thank you, Thank you, Pamela. Thirty minutes after the top
of the Our Family, I guess it's doctor jeryld Horn
from the Unvsity of Houston as one of the most
talented brothers in our community, Doctor Horn. The Epstein files
that Trump is shrugging off as people say they didn't
put a dent in his ratings it's nothing, you know,
it's a nothing burg us to even describe it that way.

(02:34:22):
It's not hurting him at all. How'd you see it?
Or are they faking us again?

Speaker 13 (02:34:26):
Well?

Speaker 6 (02:34:26):
I think they're faking us again. First of all, fortunately
they're Republicans who are asking the Department of Justice to
release the details from the Epstein files. We all know
that it was sort of a head fake to talk
about releasing a grand jury transcript. A Number one, the
explosive revelations will not necessarily be in those grand jury transcripts,

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and number two, a judge is already ruled that they
can't be released because this notion of grand jury secrecy
is oftentimes held blacks by many judges in the US courts.
I think that these Epstein files ultimately will reveal, but
we already know a very close and intimate relation between

(02:35:13):
mister Trump and his former neighbor in South Florida, a
very close and intimate relationship between mister Trump and pedophile
number one, Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 3 (02:35:25):
And having said that, I'm sure the report that Millennia
Trump is starting to sue Hunter of Biden for one
billion dollars because he in an interview he said that
Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump, and legally, what can
can she do that? Or she's just blowing smoke, like
like her husband a billion dollars, I'm gonna see it

(02:35:45):
for a billion dollars that threat. Does he have to
retract or does he have to forlibelin slander? From what
I understand is truth is the only defense. How do
you see that working out?

Speaker 16 (02:35:57):
Well?

Speaker 6 (02:35:58):
On the one hand, you know that this was probably
just blowing smoke on the part of the First Lady.
But on the other hand, look at that suit that
mister Trump brought against Paramount and CBS about supposedly malicious
editing of a sixty minutes interview with Kamala Harris. Most
legal experts thought that mister Trump didn't have a leg
to stand on, but because of the political climate, in

(02:36:21):
a sense, he was able to prevail in that particular lawsuit.
So we should not rule out the possibility that the
First Lady somehow can prevail given the right wing leanings
of many of these politicians and black Roads sitting on
the bench.

Speaker 3 (02:36:36):
Yeah, and that's I guess we'll keep an eye on that.
But you know, she could have went after where he
got his information from out of this book that it
was done by this book that I can't His name
is Scacy, now who did a book on Donald Trump,
Ole an ENTI expose on Donald Trump. That's where he
got the information and pitches and all of them. He
took a background on the so called First Lady. And
so that's where Hunter Biden because Hunter Biden doesn't have

(02:36:58):
a billion dollars, uh, you know, but I guess she's
pushing more fair retraction. But I haven't said that though,
Doctor Horn. The attack, as you mentioned on CBS and
all the networks as well, is it because they had
a deal in the works that they wanted to do
on the corporate level. So they had to make some

(02:37:19):
sacrificial lambs out out of the people, the joy Reid
being one, we just saw one of the talk to
your hosts of being another. And is that what's going
on here is that they really didn't want to consent
to what doctor what Donald Trump was asking for, but
they the money spoke louder than the people who work
for them.

Speaker 6 (02:37:39):
Well, as you probably know, the Redstone family, the control
controlling shareholders of Paramount, which controls and turns THEBS. They
wanted to cash out. They got an attractive offer from
David Ellison, who was the son of Larry Ellison of
Oracle of Silicon Valley theme, but the government has to
sign off on it's because of anti trust concern and

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that gave mister Trump leverage with regard to this lawsuit,
this faked lawsuit that he brought against Paramount and sixty
minutes and so voile la. You saw that Paramount, they
settled the lawsuit, David Ellison's the purchase of Paramount went
through and mister Trump emerged smelling like a rogue.

Speaker 3 (02:38:26):
Yeah, but they saw left a chilling effect on the
media in this country. There seems to be there's a
fear of reporting the news now. Most of the times,
you know, I get information, I got to go to
Algie zero, go to some of the UK papers, even
the Canadian newspapers to find out information. There's a story
that came out today on the Express in the UK
Express about CNN issues major breaking news alert with in

(02:38:48):
a worse blow to Donald Trump. And this is something
that CNN has done, but nobody else has picked it up,
that nobody stateside has picked it up. Is this where
we're at right now? Doctor Horn, Well, I'm afraid so.

Speaker 6 (02:38:58):
The media is intimidated. Look at what's happening at the
Washington Post. You have journalists resigning left and right. Because
Jeff Bezos, who was controlling shareholder of Amazon, he also
controls the Washington Post. He does not want to ruffle
the feathers of mister Trump because he feels that it'll
lead to a backlash against Amazon. And with regard to

(02:39:22):
journalists and journalists being courageous, you mentioned Al Jazeera. I'm
sure you saw that Israel assassinated top Al Jazeera journalists
who are trying to bring us the truth from Gaza.
Now it's going to be very difficult to get the
truth from Gaza as this star phacians campaign accelerates.

Speaker 3 (02:39:42):
Yeah, and what's going on in Gaza, it seems like
what bbn at and Yahoo's tellings that there's no starvation.
It's not part of Israel's policy. And if the whole
world can see that the people are starving, he sort
of changed his mind when Donald Trump says, yeah, I
see these children starving. How do you read what's going
on there? What will it take to end that crisis?

Speaker 6 (02:40:06):
Well, actually, I'm afraid to say that I expect things
to worsen, not only in Gaza, but analyts are also
predicting that before the end of the year there will
be a resumption of the conflict between Israel and Iran.
That is to say that mister Natanyahu wants to finish

(02:40:26):
the job, if he might put it in Iran, he
wants to do it before the midterm elections in the
United States and November twenty twenty six. He feels that
he did not accomplish his goals in June during the
so called twelve Day War, Iran did not fall apart,
for example, and their leadership remained attacked, for example, And

(02:40:49):
in fact, even though the nuclear issue was the ostensible
reason for the attack, the nuclear program was not obliterated,
contrary to what mister Trump has put forward. After US
bomber planes bomb nucleus facilities in Iran. So buckler your
steat belt. We're in for a bumpy ride.

Speaker 3 (02:41:08):
Yeah, but do to hon a twenty four way from
the top of that. Isn't then Yahoo in trouble politically,
domestically in Israel himself, Well, certainly.

Speaker 6 (02:41:17):
But here's the problem. What's happening is that many anti
Netsan Yahoo is Raelis or fleeing. They're fleeing across the
Mediterranean to Cyprus. Already there are complaints from Cyprus about
rent going up because of the flood of Israelis who
are arriving there on a daily basement. They're flooding into Australia,

(02:41:39):
they're flooding into Europe, They're flooding into Brooklyn. And so
with these anti netting Yahoo Israelis leaving, that leads a
hard core of pro nets in Yahoo backers who are
not upset at all about genocide in Gaza, who are
not upset at all about terror by settlers in the

(02:42:02):
occupied territories, particularly at the West Bank, which, by the way,
the territory was visited just the other day by speaker
Mike Johnston of Louisiana, who gave thumbs up to what
the settlers are doing there.

Speaker 3 (02:42:17):
Yeah. Well, let's step aside for a moment. We come back,
we'll talk some more about that. Twenty three minutes away
from the top of the our family. You want to
join this conversation with doctor Gerald Horn, reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
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(02:42:50):
Thank ground Rising family, thanks for starting your day with
us this Thursday morning. I guess there is doctor Gerald
Horn from the University of Houston. Before we go back
to Doc Horn, I say a shout out two of
our scholars celebrating birthdays today, doctor George King and doctor
Malefi Asante, both celebrating another trip around the sun. Tomorrow's Friday,
and we invite you to join us for our open
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fourteen fifty WOL. All right, doctor Horne got a tweet
question during the break, and let me get through right away.
Twitto wants to know about the homeless. It says Donald

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Trump at attacking the homeless, so I like to call
them unhoused. And the concern is about the Olympics, because
they're going to put them in detention camps when the
Olympics come to La. This is the la question for you.
I want to know what you know about that. Should
there be some concern because I think what the person
is implying though, that this happened when the Olympics was
in eighty four, a lot of the homeless people across

(02:43:54):
southern California disappeared. Many of them never came back. So
your question the homeless people and the tension caps about
the Olympics upcoming Olympics, Doctor.

Speaker 6 (02:44:03):
Horn, Well, certainly we should be concerned. And keep in
mind as well that with regard to the dispatching of
the National Guard to Washington, d C. The attempt to
take over of the Metropolitan Police Department in the city
of Washington, that and stated reason for these extreme measures

(02:44:24):
was mister Trump's displeasure with the unhoused population he feels
does not provide a positive image for tourists from abroad
or are visiting the United States of America. Likewise, with
regard to the City of Angels, mister Trump feels that
with the twenty twenty eight Olympics, and by the way,
he's taken a more muscular role, at least on paper,

(02:44:48):
in terms of the ministering of these Olympics, he feels
that that iesore. He feels that the unhows are an iesore,
and so he plans to do something about it. Dumping
in the Mohabi Desert I think is a possibility, putting
them in detention camps or possibility, but certainly removing them

(02:45:09):
by any means necessary is on the agenda.

Speaker 3 (02:45:12):
Yeah. But doctor Horne, in addition to that, though, he's
played so much restrictions on people visiting this country. If
you're a foreigner and you want to see your country,
you know, participate in some of the Olympic Games, and
you have to pay exhorting about money to get an
American visa for the trip or declined and at all.
Don't you hear that's going to impact if there is

(02:45:33):
an Olympics. That's me just saying that. I mean, I
don't know if we're going to have one, you know,
but do you think that's going to impact the Olympics itself?

Speaker 6 (02:45:41):
Well, certainly, I mean, look at tourisms from Canada. For example,
it's plummeting as we speak, which is really hitting of
South Florida, is hitting Arizona, It's hitting the border town
along the border between Canada and the United States. Because
many of these border towns in the state of Washington
across the country to the state of Maine are heavily

(02:46:05):
dependent upon Canadian visitor. Likewise, with regard to visitors from Africa,
the State Department has just issued a regulation that says
that from certain African countries you have to post a
bond of fifteen thousand dollars that presumably will be returned
once you depart. Because the United States concerned that people

(02:46:26):
get visas, they overstay their visas, and they become part
of the US population. Who has fifteen thousand dollars to
post with the US government to visit the United States
of America. How many people in the United States of
America can post fifteen thousand dollars to visit Canada for example. Obviously,

(02:46:46):
mister Trump does not know what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (02:46:49):
Fifteen away from the top of our TMS, checking in
from DC's on line two Grand Rising TM. Your question
for doctor.

Speaker 5 (02:46:55):
Horne, Yes, good good morning. I agree and when he
says he does not know what he's doing, thoroughly enjoined presentation, Doctor,
I wanted to ask you about the black male presence
in college. What's going on? Howard had to go out
and extend themselves to the black males all across the country,

(02:47:19):
and in Washington area they had a recruitment fair several
months ago. Seventeen percent of the student population at Howard
as males. I mean eighty three percent of the sisters.
Not saying a lot of black males. Something's wrong with
that equation. That's number one. Last thing I want to
say is he's going after all those cities such as Chicago, Baltimore, LA,

(02:47:47):
and of course Washington, DC. They got what a black
presence of mayors is there, and he's always had a
problem with that. Can you comment on both of those
issues quickly before we run out of time, because I
need some clarification and what black men need to do,
just in case I have a few that I need
to get up, get in the right path, talk to me.

(02:48:10):
I appreciate it. Thank you. Well.

Speaker 6 (02:48:14):
I'm sure you know that in the United States of America,
stretching back to the battle day is the slavery. There's
been a special persecution of black men, particular only young
black men. If you look at the victims of lynching.
Thousands of black folk were lynched from the end of
the Civil War eighteen sixty five through the nineteen fifties,

(02:48:34):
and you can say that he continues to a certain
degree today with police killings a disproportionate percentage of those
who are executed without due process of law, or black men,
particularly young black men, and so therefore it should not
be surprising that Howard University is facing a deficit in
terms of recruiting young black male students. In with regard

(02:48:57):
to mister Trump, as your litany already has suggested, he
has a problem with black people, going back to his
days as a real estate developer in New York City
when he was taking out full page ads calling for
the best penalty for those who were accused of heinous crime,
speaking of the so called five were now the exonerated five,

(02:49:19):
with Ustuf Salam now serving on the New York City Council.
So he's just doing in twenty twenty five what he
was doing in nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 3 (02:49:31):
All right, thanks TM, thanks to your call eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six,
Doctor Horn. You know, we talked about the reports coming
out from the government reports. We just got one this morning.
Just wholesale prices rose more than expected. And the stop
market is just just dumping. Just I lost one hundred
and fifty points in the stop market open at nine o'clock.

(02:49:53):
Do you think Trump's now going to make it make
it play on these this report? Now, whoever the government
agency the how these reports, Well.

Speaker 6 (02:50:03):
He's already fired, as we've discussed, the head of the
Bureau of Labor Statistics. I'm not sure where these current
figures came from, if they came from the BLS or
somewhere else, but certainly if they came from somewhere else,
that person probably is facing an unemployment line. At the
same time, mister Trump needs to be convinced that his
tariff policy is leading to inflation. If you look at

(02:50:25):
what happened to GM General Motors in the last quarter,
they registered a one big en dollar loss because even
though General Motors has facilities here in the United States
from America, they're importing input, they're importing oftentimes steel from abroad,
and therefore somebody has to pay that terra. Right now,

(02:50:46):
it's General Motors paying that terraf. But inevitably, when the
cars produced, the price is going to go up. And therefore,
when you go to the showroom to shop for a
GM pickup Trump, you can expect to pay more.

Speaker 3 (02:51:03):
Gotcha. It is the same and labor department that put
out those figures again, So she's gone, So we'll see
some changes on that ten away from the top there.
Eric's checking in from Hampton Roads Online too. Eric, your
question for doctor Horn.

Speaker 11 (02:51:17):
Yes, I got two quick questions. What I'm seeing from
the DNC seems to be a little bit melancholy, a
little bit teped when it comes to their response to Trump.
Do you think they should do more because they're talking
about black children, so we all know it's not gonna
be the quote end quote criminals. At the end of
the day, we're gonna start harassing the kids coming home
from the junior high school basketball game because they're outside

(02:51:39):
drinking slushies and stuff like that. I saw them do
sittings and lock arms for the LGBT and for the immigrants.
They're shelling out money to the immigrants for their for
their pain and strife, for being deported or for being detained.
And what can the DNC do to go on offense?

(02:51:59):
And the second question is about Shadur Sanders. Do you
think that the collusion with the NFL seemingly is because
they're scared of Dion Sanders coming in to coach and
or possibly getting into ownership.

Speaker 3 (02:52:14):
Thank you well.

Speaker 6 (02:52:15):
We's regard to the second question. I think that there
was an overreaction to Shudure Sanders because of his father.
As you know us society white supremacy. They do not
smile upon black men who tend to be flamboyant and outspoken.
Look at what happened to Muhammad Ali, an attempt to
deprive him of his right the box, not to mention

(02:52:37):
of putting him in prison because of so called draft violations.
Dion Sanders is of that same tradition, and therefore they
punished his son, and his son lost doubts because his
draft status went down in the spring of twenty twenty five.
Now he has an injury, we'll see if he's able

(02:52:58):
to play an upcoming games. With regard to the first
question that the d n C, I think that sure
we have to put pressure on the d n C,
but at the same time we have to also look
at extra political measures. For example, callers have mentioned boycott,

(02:53:19):
for example, Callers have mentioned picketing the White House for example.
So it's not just the vote that's cast at the
ballot box. It's also what we do in the streets.

Speaker 3 (02:53:32):
Ate away from the top of what Eric said about
Shador Shador's game. Do you think I get the vibe?
Maybe I'm wrong. So watching the game where he played it,
I didn't think they I didn't think the coaching staff
were complimentary or approved. Has showed approval of what he did.
Maybe I'm wrong. Check me out here, Dr Horn. They

(02:53:53):
thought he would he would bomb, and that for a
reason for them to yank him and kick him off
the squad. How do you see, Well, it's.

Speaker 6 (02:54:00):
Going to be very difficult to that today. That's the
bottom line, because if you watch the highlights, at least
you see that he has very quick feet which allows
him to escape the rush. He has pinpoint accuracy as
a passer. And so whatever the Cleveland Browns decide to

(02:54:21):
do with the young mister Sanders, he will be playing
for an NFL team somewhere in this league before the
season concludes.

Speaker 3 (02:54:33):
Yeah, but you don't see the Browns carrying six quarterbacks,
do you.

Speaker 6 (02:54:38):
I think that Joe Bloco, who is I think forty
years old, if not older, he probably will be looking
for another job supposedly, Dylan Gabriel is on the trading block.
He's another rookie quarterback. Canny Pickett supposedly is on the
trading block. But it's unclear what Cleveland is going to
do right now because the mister Sanders upset the best

(02:55:02):
laid plans of sidelining them.

Speaker 3 (02:55:04):
Yeah, because he seemed to me that they thought he
would just actually be atrocious in the game. And you know,
after the game, the coach was not complimentary. It seems like, Wow,
I blew it. I was hoping he would go out
there and embarrass himself and maybe other folks. What do
you guys think if you disagree, and let me know
tomorrow and open FU on Friday. But that was the
vibe I got, and watching him after the game. Even

(02:55:27):
some of the other players, some of the senior players
on the senior team, they're kind of like the same
thing that I had a vibe. And maybe I'm just wrong,
Maybe I'm just so superstitious that they were trying to
set him up to fail and he did not.

Speaker 6 (02:55:42):
Well, I don't disagree with you, but it's hard to say.
I mean, i'd have to put the coach on the
witness stand. And have him swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in order
to get to the truth.

Speaker 3 (02:55:56):
Yeah, that's just me. That's the vibe I put picked up.
But doctor Horne tell us about the latest book that
you're working on.

Speaker 6 (02:56:02):
So just dropped is the capital of Slavery, Washington, d c.
Eighteen hundred and eighteen sixty five. I'm doing a book
signing in Washington on a site to be determined on
October seventeenth. Another book signing in Brooklyn October tenth on
Notes ren Avenue at Sister's Place. Doors open at six
point thirty. So that's already circulating in bookstores.

Speaker 3 (02:56:28):
Do you recall how many books you've written so far?

Speaker 6 (02:56:32):
Let's just say dozens. I mean, you know, I'm too
busy writing to try to keep count.

Speaker 3 (02:56:38):
Explain to me, though, as a writer, how do you
write two books at two or three books at the
same time. What sort of concentration levels.

Speaker 12 (02:56:45):
You have to do that?

Speaker 6 (02:56:46):
Well, you know, having a laptop help, because obviously that's
revolutionized the art and science of book writing. And I
travel a lot, which allows me to gather notes which
I then convert into books.

Speaker 3 (02:57:03):
Is it easier now with AI. To do this is
to write like now or you don't rely on that.

Speaker 6 (02:57:10):
No, I don't rely on AI. But I will say
this because of artificial intelligence in classrooms, I do not
assign student papers anymore, because what student students? They just
go to AI and have AI compose these papers and
then turn them in. So what I do now I
privilege handwriting in blue books in exams, for example, more

(02:57:35):
so than submitting papers.

Speaker 3 (02:57:38):
And what's the response to your students?

Speaker 6 (02:57:41):
Well, you know, what can they say? I mean, they
can drop out of the class if they don't like
that rule. And that's the bottom line.

Speaker 3 (02:57:49):
Yeah, we got to close our class now. But before
we do, is that, doctor Horn? How can folks follow
you at Because you just got a wealth of information
that you have and you shared with us and I
think if you shared with us this morning. But for
the folks who are listening, how can they follow you?

Speaker 6 (02:58:03):
Well, I would say the best way is through YouTube
video for example, because this conversation assuming that the link
to me will be on YouTube, which will join a
passle of previous lectures and discussions, not to mention Facebook
pages devoted to my work, and of course the better

(02:58:24):
bookstores everywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:58:26):
All right, Thank you doctor Horn, as always, thank you
for all the knowledges you left us for this morning.
Good luck to you all right. He's the same to you,
doctor Horn. Hey family, as we mentioned, classes dismissed for
the day. Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in
Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV

(02:58:47):
on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty
wol or. Information is powerful.

Speaker 18 (02:59:00):
Ochetanish Boche, Tocheanish

Speaker 2 (02:59:15):
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