Dr. James Taylor & Dr. Robert Richard Allen Turner on Eric Kirk, Jim Jones, and Reparations

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Carl Nelson Show with the most Submissive.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us again. Later, black politics expert doctor James Taylor
will return to our classroom. Doctor Taylor, political scientist, will
analyzed the Black community of response to the Charlie kirkshooting.
Doctor Taylor is also working at a book titled White God,
Black Death. It's about Jim Jones and the People's Temple.
But before we hear from doctor Taylor, the vice president

(00:49):
of public affairs for the Baltimore Oriols, Kerry Washington, will
join us a moment Taylor Baltimore activists pastor doctor Robert
Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment Temple AM Church in that city.
We'll also check in. Well, let's get Kevin opened the
classroom doors for us this Monday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson. Welcome to Monday, the fifteenth
of September. And it's a little past the top of
the hour, three minutes patch. So man, I tell you
what interesting weather we've been having this great weekend. And
how are you feeling, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm still learning and ready to learn some more stuff today.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, you listen to learn, learn to listen and then
share that and hopefully others will listen to learn as well.
I don't know what to say about this, Charlie Kirkland
Charlie kirk person, he's become such a news topic lately.

(01:51):
But did you know? According to blacknews dot Com, Charlie
kirk did not like black people. He called Martin Luther
King awful and George Floyd comeback. He even said quote,
if I see a black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy,
I hope he's qualified.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
But whenever you get on the plane, you hope.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
All of the pilots are qualified, don't you come on?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I like, you know, I almost said this before, Kevin.
My pilots and my doctors, I like to have a
little gray in their hair, you know what I'm saying.
It's uncomfortable to see some gray hairs there, so I
know they've been around a bit.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, that's true, and had quite a few hours behind
the or in the cockpit, if you will.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
With the gray hair.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
That's a good idea, carl because oftentimes they look like
they're trying to be Dean Martin or somebody.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
But what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
About his points of view. Yeah, he also said the
voting rights shock. He denounced that as well. Uh, you know,
he's become a sort of a martyr for the for
the for the right wing. And it's interesting to see
what would have happened if the suspect was a black person.
Can you imagine what would have happened, what would be
going on right now if they're acting this way. I mean,

(03:13):
he definitely was on their side. It was part of
the MAGA group, no matter how they want to detail.
You know, they're trying to figure out why he did it,
because now he's not talking and we're talking about the suspect,
and they say he was assassinated. You know, you just assassinated,
you know, Martin Luther, King, Malcolm and RFK, JFK, they
were assassinated. He didn't have a He didn't and this

(03:35):
is straight up what I'm saying is factually didn't have
a government job. He wasn't elected official. It didn't work
for the government. Here was a private person, a private citizen.
It's still the White House wants all flags to be
at half staff. Some democratic states are not doing that though,
because they say the same thing, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
That seems almost I won't say illegal, except it definitely
takes away some of the re for half half mass
of the American flag, and it just it seems to
water it down.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Though Kirk may be important to some people, his point
of view may have effect that he may have a
good influential aspect of his life, but or his past life,
but it doesn't garner that of being you know, lowering
the flag. It's just you know, but they say the

(04:30):
suspect is not cooperating with the authorities. The Governor says
of Utah, Spencer Cock, has said that the suspect, Kyler Robinson,
who was twenty two, was taken into custody thirty three
hours after the thirty one year old activists was shot.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Now the thing.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
About that is, isn't this the third suspect that they've
you know, pulled in.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, but it's some way. They claim he confessed to
his dad, but he's not speaking to and his dad
was the one who turned him in. And there's some
question about that because there was a bounty on his head.
So I guess the dad wanted to keep the money
in the family because obviously they figured that since he
thinks pictures on the screen. Somebody's gonna identify him. So
that dad called a pastor friend of theres a youth

(05:19):
pastor and talked to him, convinced him to turn himself in.
But now after he turned himself in, he's refusing to talk,
as you mentioned, So we'll see where that goes.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh man, Well, this young man claims that there was
somebody that looked like him. It wasn't him. He said,
they're just trying to get him in trouble. He said,
that's an interesting line of defense. Yeah, but it shows
the division in the country.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Uh, it's a support for if you say something that's
that's not complementary, you're likely to lose your job. You know,
we're some people lost their jobs and some people are
being suspended and uh, these and they go to extremes.
I mean, you talk about freedom of speech, which was
what he was doing, and he backed whatever he said
by the First Amendment. You can say whatever you want.

(06:07):
But if somebody says something that's contrary to what people
believe about him, they're going to lose their jobs. They're
all scared.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Wow. Well, BBC News said that he wrint surrender to
the police. And an affidavit of the State of Utah
confirms that mister Robinson was arrested on suspicion of other
crimes aggravated murder, fell in the discharge of a firearm,
and obstruction of justice. And he's being held without bill

(06:35):
there in the Utah County jail. And nothing about his
father tuning him in yet maybe.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
They don't know that across And again I'm glad you
went to the BBC because the American media, I will
see somebody mentioned last week was on with us. It
says they've taken the oh it's Brandon on Monday last month.
Since the media folks in America they take the knee
when it comes to Donald Trump and anything associated with MIGA.
So if you want to find out what's really going on,
you have to go read the papers overseascals. I don't care,

(07:04):
they're gonna tell you what it is.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, yeah, exactly, because all they have to go on
is the news and you know, searching for the facts
and without any of that bias that is permeating our
news right now.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Right even the fact that this is what Branni would saying,
even with the facts, even its facts, they're afraid to
report it. This is this you know some reporter, well
an analyst lost their job for saying what you taught
said about Charlie Kirk. Yeah, wow, he lost on MSNBC.
So yeah, it's it's that's that's the America we're in today.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, just because of the climate in the country. What
I said was a quote from the website. Okay, I'm
just I'm just saying just in case. And look, they
closed down the HBCU campuses over the weekend and lockdown
after receiving threats Virginia State, Hampton, Alabama State, Clark, Atlanta,

(08:04):
and Spelman. However, those classes will presume today and on
this Monday, the fifteenth. So there you go. That's the update.
And that's the way it is on this the fifteenth
of September. It's something important about this day. I can't
remember that. Hope one of our historians will call us later. Meanwhile,

(08:26):
we've got the pastor standing by, all right, thank you, Kevin.
All right, family, I guess it is doctor Robert Richard
Allen Turner from Impowman Am Church, Powman Temple Amy Church
in Baltimore, Grand Rising Bishop Turner, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Thank you sure for having me back on And let me.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Just say family, he's on his monthly march from Baltimore
to Washington, d C. Where are you right now?

Speaker 6 (08:55):
Right now, I am on Washington winning Law. Are just
leaving Cayrol Park and uh walking through the White House?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Wow? Have you got some friends walking with you? Is
this is a solo true?

Speaker 7 (09:13):
I do?

Speaker 6 (09:13):
I have some great individuals walking with means they'll not
be tchaying their names. I'm telling them maybe I may
not be a work so I'm not gonna put them
like that. Well, we gotta you guys walk over me? Yes, sir?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Good. So how long is it going to take you
to get to the White House?

Speaker 6 (09:32):
It depends on our pace, honestly and the weather. Right now,
we've got a really good place, so it should take
us about May thirteen plus ours.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Let me ask you this, So, do you think you're
going to get closer to the White House now? Because
since you've lasted the last trip, you know security is
being ramped up, especially what happened with a Charlie Kirk issue.
Do you think you're gonna get close to get even
close to the sixteen hundred Pennsylvania.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Well, last month we walked on honestly anniversary, Uh the
I have a dreaming speech by doctor King everybody Martin
Uther King Junior and it was the National Guard President
there man. And this president has forgetted people from walking

(10:23):
in front of the White House. He has to be
one of the most scared president of the American history. As honisor,
I watched now this is my thirty sixth times, and
I've seen more barricades on the White House premises under
his administration. When I am having a Joe Biden president bid.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, twelve after the top of our family, just waking up,
I guess is doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment
Temple Aby Church in Baltimore. He's on his way to
the White House walking from uh tomorrow and I not
to turn it. Do you think you're gonna get there?
Because now they've got all these roadblocks as you mentioned,
that were there last month, But now as I mentioned that,

(11:08):
they've stabbed up security and they've got more law enforced
officials on the streets around the district. Do you think
you're gonna get stopped to searched or you know at
least they're gonna check you will you see a group
of black people walking, don't you think that might cause
a problem.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
But Latarl, I can there predict anything when it comes
to this White House and this administration. I can go
by a previous experience. We've been, of course, uh morassed
by law enforcement occasion. Actually that's gotten a little better.
We have some terrible experiences in Howard County, but that's

(11:43):
done a lot better in the DC area. You know,
of course the questioning. But at at this current moment,
I don't know what to expect when we get to
d C. I just acted to keep us in prayer.
I don't want want to be detained, but we have
some legal support. Shure, that's right. You know what will

(12:12):
Flowers is walking with random of times?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
And who all right? Tell say tell Willie Flowers. We
say hi because he's one of our supporters as well. Yeah,
well good because but did you do you guys have
a conversation about non violence? You know, we talked to U,
We've talked to Andy Young and his pals for question time,

(12:38):
and and before they've did their marches, they they went
through the whole training of non violence, did you guys,
Because it's not that you're going to cast you, but
the other side may may come at you in it indifferently.
Have you had that conversation with the folks who are
marching with you this morning?

Speaker 6 (12:53):
Yes, yes, we are non violent. Has a good pleasure
of meeting and Bachelor Andrew Frettlamat we used to go.
I was in the Student of Man Bilem being Merlabama
and Snacks and a CFC even the Improvement Association. So yes,

(13:21):
all of my walk marches d C have been all
those they they we have had the violence that quits
the pun up uh.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yeah, we are going.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
To to continue to be now allow uh but also be
persistent and our pursuit for justice. And it's been depulated.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's fifty ninth the tops A mentioned family. This is
the doctor Robert Richard Allen turning on his way to
the White House, is marching for Baltimore. The group of
folks with him as well. He's from the Empowerment Temple,
a church in Baltimore, and he does this month on
the score what's going on with reparations, but you've sort
of included what's going on at the with the library

(14:08):
as well. Is that still is it still a two
pronged effort that you're going with working with doctor Taylor.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Here.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, you started the march on reparations doctor Turner. But
now in the last I think the last couple of
times you included what was going on at the at
the library that the African American Library is this is
this still a two pronged effort that you're working with.
I think we may have lost doctor Turner and we

(14:38):
may be in a bad spot. He's on his cell phone,
so we expect him every now and then we may
lose him. And he drops out on his as a
group of folks from Baltimore family marching on the way
to the White House. And they started off, you know,
the sophomore to draw attention to reparations. They thought reparations
was was not getting enough attention. And then when the
changes came down the Trump administration about the African American

(15:01):
Library in Washington, d C. They also want to stop.
Make us stop there. But I'll tell you what, We've
got to take a show up and we come back.
Hopefully we will hook up again with doctor Robert Richard
Allen Turner. And you've got questions about it. Join us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight, seventy six,
and we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
And grand Rising family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Monday morning, and thanks for starting your week
with us. Our guest is doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner
from Empowerment Temple Ame Church in Baltimore. He's on the
road this morning, early morning. He's walking to the White
House and doctor Turner, my my question too, before we
lost it was before this was about reparations and then

(16:04):
you pulled in fact, what was going on without the
the library, the African American Library in d C. Is
it still a too pronged effort? Is it still what's
going on that the cutbacks of the library or reduction
of our artifacts and reparations or if you add anything
else to the march.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
No, you're absolutely correct that it is those two prongs
that too from approach whereby the pole on the White House,
in the government in general, to provide repair for American

(16:43):
original thing and also the truth telling of our experience
in this land, but to go hand in hands. It's
the reason why, of course, those who are against providing

(17:03):
reparations also against the true presentation of American history. Walk
in the White House and that's right, Jacks, what we
were doing. And it is important all of us to

(17:24):
love our people, to tell the story of our people.
For instance, all of my walks coincide once a day
of historical significance for black people. My walk last month
was an armis for me eight the anniversars. I have
a marine speech to walk today as an honor of

(17:50):
four little girls who are killed in sixteenth Street Missionary
Baptist Church in Birmingham out of now on this same
day in the nineteen sixty two.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
How important is it for you to, you know, for
people to know that our history, because they seem to
want to, you know, erase our history. You talk about
that bombit at that church in Burnham, Alabama, US for
young black girls were killed. You know you maybe you
me and well, well you're probably not surprised. How many
of our younger people who don't know this don't know
our history and they're trying to erase our history. So

(18:31):
how important to you, as a pastor, a leader in
our community to keep these stories alive. May have lost
that doctor Turner again, he may be in a bad spot.
He's on his cell phone and a family for just
joining us. He's walking from Baltimore to Washington, d C.

(18:51):
And one of the things we want to talk to
him about. Of course, what's in the news today is
the Charlie Kirk shooting, you know, because the Christian Nationalists
are all behind Charlie Kirk. And he said some, he said
Martin Luther King. He back came, okay, doctor Turner.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
I don't know how much that you got. But I
kept talking for a white.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
House, but great, and just repeated for us.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Then I was just saying that I think it's important.
The two is a two prung approach. So I'm walking
to the Smithsonian and I'm walking to the White House.
And it's a reason why the opponents of reparationists are
also opponents of the true history of America being told

(19:38):
there's no accident, no accident that day. At the same
time walked through n reparation while they are trying to
rewrite history, no accident. And so for that reason I
have placed all my walks to the White House one

(20:02):
days of historical significance, two black people in America. So
last month, my wife August twenty was the day, the
anniversary of the Alhama Drian stops. This walk today.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
Is on.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
September sixteen, which in nineteen sixty two.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
The day.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
That four little girls were killed by.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Balls and.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
Burningham, Alabama. And it's important for us to tell our
history to tie it to the current need for repair
because of the atrocities that our people have suffered, stealers
in this day being now repaired from. And it's important

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also for our children to those so feature generations can know,
otherwise we won't understand our current predicament. It is contingent
upon past actions and those same systems and struggles that
were in place that upheld those racist actions. Little pressure

(21:29):
system still is in existence today.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well let me ask you this, a doctor Tryna, who
is who do you think needs to know the most
about our history? Our people are the oppressors who are
trying to erase our history. Who needs to know the
information about us more?

Speaker 6 (21:49):
I think that both, honestly. I think as you see
a lot of the younger generation not knowing, not even
so it's not what to ask to appreach it because
they don't know. And White America will never seek to

(22:09):
learn a care about our history if we don't, and
so I think it's a definitely White America should be
oppressious when the impresses all the perpetrators.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
So it.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Is such transervations of them. It's not wearing no audims
because it's their grandfathers and grandmothers who afflicted us. But no,
they still definitely should know. White America should certainly know,
and it's our job to tell them because White America
is not going to teach herself about her.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Missus beads.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Twenty six out the top of that family with doctor
Robert Richard Allen Turner. He's walking from Baltimore to the
White House, a doctor Turner. You know, one of the
things I always said, I wish the world would know
what we have done, what we haven tributed to society,
not just our African ancient Africans in Egypt and chemm It,
but on this side of the Atlantic Ocean, those of
us who made it, those are our relatives who made

(23:10):
it over over and what we've we've done, because you know,
for most folks, they don't know. Even our people don't know.
They used the you know, they use the ironing board.
They stop at a stoplight, remote TV air conditioned, the
just to just to go on and on and on.
And those are the ones we know just Imatgininge, the
ones they stole from us or tricked us out of
those patents. But if the world knew what we did,

(23:33):
because they're trying to make it sound like we're not
even good to cross the street, we have We are
useless eaters. We have contributed nothing to society. So if
we could find a way to get this message across
the world knows what's starting, not just starting a state
side what our ancest enslaved ancestors achieved. But I'm talking
about what a great, great, sorry ancestor in Chemmid, what

(23:55):
they produced, and it's right there on those temples, all
the things that they created, you know, from all the
many of the things we still using today. If we could,
if the world knew what our contributions to I think
they treat black people a little differently.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
Yes, no, I agree, I agree. The truth of the
matter is the world does not want to know. But
it's our about to teach. The world does not want
to know how great we are, not just how great
we have been, because that would mean the world would
have to respect us and our contribution. So That's why

(24:36):
I hold that we must learn, but we must not
just learn to keep. We must learn to share and
share our history understailing this and in spite of all
this world in white America has done for black folks
to share the accomplishments of.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
What we have done.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, because even many of our folks don't know what
we've achieved, you know, especially in ancient Egypt, they don't
know that, you know, all the stuff that we did,
and they know a little of what we've done here,
but not all. And we don't know it all either,
As I mentioned, a lot of those patterns that they
either stole or that tricked us out of, and so
we didn't get the credit for everything that we created.

(25:19):
But once you understand how the game is played life,
you look at life a little differently and wonder why.
And this brings to me the Charlie Kirk shooting now,
because the uh and we're going to speak with doctor
James Taylor is going to explain to us what's taking
place and analyze our response because somehow they're trying to
rope us into this, this shooting of Charlie Kirk. But

(25:44):
he's got the back of the Christian nationalist group. And
I'm just wondering your your thoughts on these Christian nationalists
because one of them said, when we talked about this earlier,
one of them said that that he's going to have
white people should have a talk with their children about
black people. Tell them how we really are implying that we,
you know, we're dangerous and the all white families. It's

(26:06):
a Christian, one of your Christian brothers, uh, telling white
folks that we we are the problem, we are dangerous.
I just want to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, I think that white America has always stood behind
first and nationalism, behind the racist beliefs. I mean they
they tried to even used with Christian relie a whole
their rays.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
The Klan hid behind sheet Anna Burn's rock. So what
he is saying is a incorrect If you want to
call me your kids about anybody you.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Know and I heard her heard a white man.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
This is tim people. We have to be honest about
the fact that most if you want to do this
demographics based on crime for parent based demographics, he said,
child mo lessons by number percentage wise, I particularly predominantly

(27:15):
white men swaying killers. Uh by numbers white men. If
you want to look at the number of caring right
you who clim for leads with false support white women.

(27:36):
So if you are going to try to empower your
children with knowledge, if you're gonna do this, do it
the right way. Tell them to watch out for that
white office and white granddaddy. If we're gonna play this
game of of categorizing people and trying to warn your
children based on race, the blacks, one will have to

(28:02):
we turn our children to watch off the people. And
but now we do add to have the police talk
because we have historically been attacked and brutalized by the police.
But they're hide them behind, they're raciently and they're trying
to uphold it with the sponsor out of the crime.

(28:24):
Where anyone who studied crime to acutis knows that the
majority of folks who can be a crime, the white
people's at a numbers, well.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
It means it's a twenty eight away from the top.
Are do you think? Do you think how would you
think if there was conclusive evidence for them that the
Jesus that they preached to and pray to like you do,
was a black man. Do you think they would go
over well with them. Do you think they'd react differently
if they.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
They whitewashed Jesus, just the whitewash Bible, the first active
c appropriation. It's not white girls, Wayne Braids, it's not whiteboys.
Where read Hope where him?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
He had a bad spot with doctor Turner's I mentioned
he's on his way. He's walking family from Baltimore to
the White House to draw attention to reparations to the
fact they want to restrict historical information out of out
of the Black Library in d C. This is what
he's been doing on a basically on a monthly basis,
and he's got some folks walking with him today. When

(29:38):
we get back there, I'll tell you exactly where you are.
So if you want to join the walk, and especially
or when he and to get into the district or
close uh to the d m V, we'll let you
know where he is you can. We'll follow him and
walk with him. Because as we mentioned earlier too, that
the this increase of law enforcement activity in Washington, DC
all over the district now because of what's going on

(30:00):
with what Donald Trump is in the edict that he placed.
But doctor doctor, I hear you back so I'll let
you finish your thought.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yes, no, thank you. I'll tell the first that the
Culture Corporation and not you know, white girls would raise
h white boys and do rags.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
It is.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
White America shaking the Holy Lands and Holy Action and
Holy figures out of Africa. They've got hold finkin. Now,
Jerusalem is in the Middle East, which is jim Vally,

(30:45):
not even right.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
Of East.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
Asia is not Jerusalem, that's northeast Africa. Look at a
fud Asia, live in the middle of Asia, and look
at what's east of that. It ain't Africa, I mean
it's not it's not delusion. It's China, Pakistan areas. It ain't.

(31:16):
It's not Israel. And chaking the images of biblical figures
and playing them white. Now, it's the first that in
the Culture Proporation documented. And of course we can also

(31:37):
go back to the Greeks who took Egyptian gods and
presputed them as white gods. Changed the name, kept the description.
So white Europeans have a mystery of Turkey from black

(32:00):
people and making that they are the problem that I
have several problem I have with that is that we
don't seek to take that back and that's a problem,
a major problem. We have seeded so much to white America,

(32:24):
and we've done them recently. We've done it with country
music that was a black introduction. We know the original
of cowboys were black. Who's white?

Speaker 7 (32:33):
You know?

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Let's matter call him a boy that was turning here
for black people. We the audio wasn't a black man.
Who do you think catching cows by? Just a road?
Same black people were allowed them to take so much
from us. And I'm in Baltimore now, Maryland area. I

(32:55):
was noticed of a number nine. We allowed them to
take our fund in the round is Korea's own Korea Malachi?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Hold us all right there, doctor Turner, Steve sign get
caught up on the latest news. I'll let you finish
your thought on the other side. Family, you want to
join our conversation with doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner. He's
on his way to Washington, DC. He's in Baltimore. He's
on his feet walking with a group of folks. What
are your thoughts? You want to join this conversation. Reach
out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls. After

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the News that's next and Grand Rising Family, thanks of
waking up with us on this Monday morning's thanks for
starting your week with us. Our guest right now is
doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment Temple AME Church
in Baltimore, one of the biggest churches in Baltimore and
celebrating their twenty fifth anniversary and a four year anniversary
for a doctor Turner. We will get to that as well,

(33:48):
and we discussed him. He's on his way, by the way. Family,
He's on his cell phone, so we may lose him
every now and then. He's marching or walking if you
will and ask him if he's marching or walking. But
he's on his way to the White House from a
Baltimore and he's got some friends walking with him as well.
They'll tell you why in a moment, but before we
do that, let me just remind you. Coming up later
this morning, we're gonna speak at Black politics expert doctor
James tylor Is. Doctor Taylor's a political scientist by trado

(34:11):
analyze the black communitist's response to the Charlie kirkshooting. Also
working on a new book about White God, Black Black Death.
It's about Jim Jones and the People's Temple. And also
we're going to speak with the vice president of public
Affairs for the Baltimore Oriols. They're gonna have hbcunit at
Camden Yards. We're going to talk about that with Kerry.
Also coming up later this week, though, you're gonna hear
from Universe of Houston's doctor Gerald Horn also made a physician,

(34:33):
Doctor b will be here along with the Morgan State
University professor doctor Ray Wimbush. So if you are in Baltimore,
please keep you READI a lot t in tight on
ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV RON
FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifteen w L.
All right, doctor turn, I'll let you finish your thought.
Then I got a tweet question from Lisa in Baltimore
for you.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
Yeah, I think I've been in my thought. Brother, it
looks like my close corporations. I was just saying that
this is not an news. The number of it is
something that we have allowed white America and white before that,
it wasn't America were allowed the white people to take
literally take uh our culture. And and you see that

(35:19):
even now with our with our Coreen. You know, uh,
soul food now it's considered Southern cooking, and we got
were allowing Koreans to do soul food and barbecue, and
we're teaching them. They learn from us, they hired us,
and then they fillow us that they learn the recipes.
It's just it's it's sad.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
It's sad.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
And don't even get me started on black hair. Who
sells the black hair products? I mean we we we
are some of the most giving people to strange us.
I've never seen the history of the world. But meanwhile
we are so tight this and heart on each other,
which is which is disappointed uh as well. So I'm

(36:02):
not surprised at with these so called white Christians have
to say trying to teach their children about us, and
they teach their children about themselves and about how they
are to be grateful to black people because every great

(36:23):
thing that they have has come in some way shame
from a fashion, through black minds, or through black hands,
or through black bodies.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Unfortunately, though they don't recognize that. At thirteen away from
the top, there are as I make sure I got
a tweet for you, doctor Turner. The tweeter says it's
the message from the white pastor to warn his congregation
to have the talk that black people are dangerous part
of the civil war efforts. And the part two it's
like a three part it's from Lisa. Is the white
so called pastor putting our children in danger with his

(36:56):
rhetoric and should we warn our children to be aware
of white children? Part questions for you there doctor turning.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
Yes, I agree with that tweet. The the weaponization of
statistics being used to soakspere and the not even real
statistics by the way that they're they they are coming
up with their weaponizing anecdotes because we look at the

(37:25):
Rod Holmes I said that earlier, the Rod Lomas show,
we should be more afraid of them. But yes, with
that in mind, I think it is their cruded on
the part of black parents to achieve their children their
racism is is really I think white parents to tease
their children that too, uh, that their racism is real.

(37:45):
You have died. Communities have been annihilated right all across
the mayor and all talking the world. We see in
the international conflict right now in our community being annihilated.
What's happening in Gaza, What's happening in the Congo. Black
lives are lives of the medling rich society are seen

(38:11):
to be very disposed. So I think it's very prudent
on black parents. I have two more of myself. I
teach them that this country and this world has an analyst.
I guess folks who look like this, it doesn't It
doesn't mean they can't do anything, but it means as
you do something proceeds with that knowledge realizing. And I'm

(38:35):
sure your parents told truth, you have to work twice,
it's hard to get half as much and that and
that's saying your most truth today.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, that's what I bet folks told us growing up.
And I don't think so many of our people are
telling that to the their children today. Tend away from
the top. They our family just joining us. I guess
it is doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment Temple
Ame Church in Baltimore. He's on his way. If you
hear him, drop out. He's on his cell phone. He's
walking from Baltimore to the White House. And we were

(39:04):
discussing with this message from a white pastor, evangelical pastor
who if you just checking in again and down here
in the full story. And what this white pastor did
was told his congregation that they need to have a
talk with with the parents. Didn't have to talk with
their children to warn them about us black people, because
we are dangerous. So you have to have to talk

(39:24):
about that, have that conversation. All this is as a
spill out of the the the the shooting of Charlie Kirk.
And that's why you know they're feeling boldened by this
has almost made him a martyr, if you will. And
we're going to get in this deeper with with doctor
James Taylor when he comes on what it means politically.
But this is what's what's going on in the church
in the pews, these evangelicals of supporting Charlie Kirk, and

(39:47):
they support what he says. And the question is, though,
if they if they knew, if if you could show
them evidence, uh, doctor Turner, empirical dents that the Jesus,
the person praying to, was a black man, a black man,
where he lived, where there were black people, the disciples
were black. If those of you who believe in what's

(40:09):
written in the Bible, because we were here before the
Bibles even written, that's but that's a whole nother story,
because you'd have to go real deep with them on
that one. But so do you think that how do
you think that would go over? How do you think
we go with with with the preachers? These are white evangelicals,
and I think you go over with with with their congregations, you.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
Would not go well at all. In fact, and I'm
not just speaking how permally or just hypothetically, I'm speaking facts.
When black people were trying to integrate in the South,
and you had you, but you had some white preachers

(40:51):
and their churches white passes, preach sermons from marly integration.
You know that members left those churches were white pastors preciate.
Do you know that we had the nomination of splits
in this nation? The dominant white denominations split in this

(41:12):
nation when the issue of slavery came up, and folks
who were reading the Bible correctly saying that now, I
don't think this slavery thing is is in line with
with how the Bible is supposed to be read. That
nomination split. No, not that church split over is shoes.

(41:37):
The Doctor Church split from and that's how the Southern
Doctor Church reformed betain't created the person. Hutian Church split
over that issue. So, oh my goodness, if that were
evidence in Paranco, because we actually have the first picture
of hegals Christ and the Disciples. That's that's actual data,

(42:00):
that's changible. You can see it, and it's a picture
of a black, dark skinned man who turn up a
black dark skinned mean, that's the oldest pitch of Jesus
right in his other and it's not looking like.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Let me jump in here, ed away from the top
of the island and just remind you too. I'm sure
you heard about Fred Price out Crenshaw Christian Center of
the late Fred Price. He was passing there and he
did a whole series about race, and he lost half
of his congregation and there was a black folks. They
didn't want to hear about that Jesus was black and
there's racism is baked into the America. They didn't want

(42:37):
to hear that these are our people. Talk to Turner,
So how do we deal with that? Those who who
would you know, just believe what what's been given to
the force fed for them from from these white evangelicals,
even though they go to a black church and listen
to a black minister. But as soon as the black
minister starts drawing about race and talking about being black
and Jesus being black, they get up and walk out.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Brother, I've been passed in black church all my life.
That's all I know is black Chase my mo. The
name is which Alan for the found of the enemy church.
Some of you, you, you wouldn't be surprised, but some folks,
some of your listeners would be surprised. Some of my
biggest opponents at preaching about black numerations reparations, some of

(43:23):
Parisians will like, Gods, Well, I mean, I'll talking about
this all the time. Why is that so important? It
is so sad, It is it is, it is. It
is really unfortunate how we have internalized self hate that
we think that God does not care about our current predicament.

(43:48):
I think it's a it's it's it's minimized of the
capacity of God's power to think he was only concern
about your soul when you die. God's aren't from the
taking about how you live today and how you want
to be being mistreated. Jesus God in the priest, we
will leave Christians believe he didn't tell the one with

(44:12):
the issue of blood. We'll just go ahead and die,
and when you die then you'll be fine. He didn't
tell the man who had leopardsy. He just wants to
have died, and when you die you will be healed anyway,
it don't matter. No, he healed and where they were, well,
he was the beauty in the Pharisees and the sagy Seeds.

(44:34):
He was somebody contemporary rebuke herl a cpturally or professor
to a cultural oppression regime. He didn't just say, well,
it don't matter what y'all be right here, because when
it all comes on down to y'all going to hell anyway. No,
he rere beauty to where they were. He turned on

(44:56):
the money changers in the church. To a judge CONSI
we're a problem of how the poor can even be
oppressed by siss tels to lift them up. So those
even who look like us who say well the church
should be concerned about politics or race, are things of
that sort. They need to read the doctors. Of course.

(45:20):
The only techment talking about that. The whole Old Testament
I mean, was very much talk about literations. He is
like freaking even you know, conquering the land, But the
gods of Jesus Christ talks about that as well. And
so I think black comes we do ourselves with this service,
thinking that God only chances about our soul when we

(45:43):
die and not our current predicament. So I'm gonna talk
to about I'm talking about I'm a preaching about that, I'm
gonna walk about it. I don God used me growth
with these f There is an element to your point
that it is an element in our community that doesn't
like to even hear it. We know it's in the

(46:04):
white community, but black folks have internalized white supremacy principles.
Oh and that's to me, the worst form of white supremacy.
It's not just white person in the white house, all right,
in the spring court, but to me, the worst form
of white supremacy, it's white supremacy in black STAPs.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, we've got a lot of work to do hold
that though. Right there. We got to check the trafficking
weather and we got some folks want to talk to
your sister Prairie. It's gone from Baltimore, and also a
sister Anita has come from Chapel Hill in North Carolina.
They got questions for you as well. Family. You two
can join our conversation with doctor Robert Richard Allen Turning
on his way to the White House. He's walking from Baltimore.
You can reach us at eight hundred four to five
zero seventy eight seventy six. You want to take a

(46:46):
phone calls after the trafficking weather, It's next.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
The Carl Nelson Show, Win the Most Submit.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your week with
us on this Monday morning with our guest that we
have doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner. He's from Empowerment Temple
Ame Church in Baltimore. They're celebrating the twenty fifth anniversary.
He's also celebrating his fourth anniversary at the church right
now in his marching, So he's walking, if you will,
I fancy him the difference of what he's doing, but

(47:37):
he's walking all the way from Baltimore to the White
House's underscore the call for reparations and you can join
his conversation at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Before we left for the traffic update, the
doctor Turner, I mentioned that Sister Praier is calling from Baltimore.
Has a question for you she's online too, Grand Rising,
Sister Prairi, you're on with doctor Turner.

Speaker 9 (48:01):
I'll be at the banquet or.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Prayer.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Can you get closer to the phone for us.

Speaker 9 (48:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna check it off the speaker.

Speaker 10 (48:17):
Good morning, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, that's better, Yes, yes.

Speaker 9 (48:21):
Good morning. I will be at the banquet on Friday evening.
And I wanted to ask a question. I wanted to
know what about those white pastors who not believe in
white supremacy who offered the EI.

Speaker 7 (48:35):
Have you met some?

Speaker 9 (48:36):
And do you believe that there are some? And some
may be afraid to speak out and they want to
know as well, those who want their children to know
the whole history of our community. What are your thoughts
on that?

Speaker 7 (48:50):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (48:50):
Check? First of all, thanks for coming to the event
on Friday. Secondly, I think I heard the question about
white pastors who are afraid of the EI. That was
she said, rerother Nelson.

Speaker 9 (49:06):
No, what about those who wants their people to know
about the e I and have a concern and care
genuinely for the black men. See those pastors that do exist?
How have you met some?

Speaker 6 (49:18):
And oh, yes, yes, thankfully there are still those who
know the truth, Love, God and all of God people.
So yes, I have been and in fact being in

(49:38):
fellowship with them for quite some time in my ministry,
and I treasured that friendship.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
And what's happening on Friday the bank. Thank you mister
prayer what she mentioned the banquet. Can you tell us
about what's going on on Friday, doctor Turner, Yes.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Yes, yes, thank you for that question. Empowerment Temple of
celebrating twenty five years of existence and Friday were having
a celebration in the gala form. We had worship service
in April and on Friday were having a celebration and
gala for It's something that I really wanted to do

(50:22):
this whole year. A lot of twenty fifth anniversities highlight
the fact that this vision, this mission that we called
Intorement Temple, that was given to God, that was given
to our founder through God, Damon Harrison Bryant, and the

(50:42):
fact that it is still here and has been such
a primotal place of tower in president for the community,
not just in Baltimore, but really for the nation. And
we have our fem empowering the world with the word.

(51:04):
So I'm excited that he is able to come back
oh and speak that I've been on Friday as he
celebrates twenty five years of ministry and of service.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
All right, good deal. Well have you mentioned that before
you leave it? Five after tome foray our family with
doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment to Temple Am
Church in Baltimore's I mentioned it's on the road. He's
walking to the White House. Eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight to seventy six. Anita in Chapel Hill,
North Carolina, has a question for you. She's online three
grand rising sister Anita. Your question for doctor Turner?

Speaker 11 (51:43):
Grant god.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
I wanted to say you can hear me right? Hello, Okay,
I was married, I got divorced, and I was married
to my Arab And when he would go to the
Middle East, guess what he would turn brown? He would
always wear are her come out? And when he went

(52:09):
to the Middle East and took the hat off, he
turned brown everywhere. And we know Caucasian people they sunburn
and fun so they say't say that.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
Jesus people.

Speaker 10 (52:20):
I couldn't believe it. He was really really brown.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
He was here.

Speaker 10 (52:23):
He was like a vanilla caramel color. But when he
went there, he was almost as dark as I was.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
And so that imagery.

Speaker 10 (52:33):
Elijah Muhammad always talked about, you know, what would happen
if their children were given our image.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
As what Jesus was, which is what he really was.

Speaker 10 (52:43):
And so why do white people tell so many lies?
And then check this out. When Elijah Muhammad was saying,
have children and take care of them and educate them,
the white man for the century had sexually manipulent you know,
don't use our sons too, and homosexual activity when they

(53:06):
were slaves. So now they're concerned about they should kill us,
when they're the ones that brought all the craziness into
our community by not doing what Elijah Mohammad said. If
you have a woman, you have to educate her children
and give the children their their history and their heritage,
and take care of them financially. And Elijah Muhammad was

(53:29):
doing a good thing with the Middle East. And now
Donald Trump's over there trying to get planes from the
Middle East. But Elijah Muhammad did thy years ago, and
maybe that's why Malcolm.

Speaker 11 (53:37):
Ex isn't here.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
So they didn't want that to happen with you know,
the black people in the Middle East and now it
wasn't Elijah Muhammad. But that's so, why do they lie
so much?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
All right, let's give me a chance to respond.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
They have to lie because the truth is too total
for them to back. They have to lot.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Well, let me jump in and ask you this. Do
you think they're actually lying or is it by a
mission or they just don't know or just refusal? Do
you think they actually really know? What about the Bible
of Truth, all about Christiana, know about race, just like
some of our black preachers do, but they refuse to
preach that way.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
If they don't know that, they are more egither than
that knows thought possible. If they don't know, that could
be a real possibility, Brother Nelson, they just don't know.
But if they don't know, I mean, it's literally aself evident.
The sister just mentioned her boyfriend and her husband, you
know that, you know, and he's turned black bat Can

(54:44):
you imagine folks who lived in that area for generationally
what that com is gonna be? Doesn't right? I mean,
it's really a dumb moment. I don't give them a
pass on that. I think I think it's diabolically. I
think they are I think they know family. I think
that they are playing on the ignorance of other people
who will not reading, who will not travel and go

(55:07):
to the actual museums, and either as I've been and
seen the locks in the star RoHS hair that are
still there in the Mumma Fox staves, I think that
they are playing on the ignorance of folks who trust them.
That's the base of Donald Trump. Are people who have
given their whole hardsh minds and soul to this man,

(55:28):
and they trust him with whatever he says. Whatever he says,
they will believe they have forfeited their own intellectual capacity
to this man, and by extension, those priests that you're
talking about, And they play on folks. When I'm preaching,
I tell my members all the time, read the Bible

(55:48):
for yourself. And that's that is a tradition that the
Black Church has. It ain't just take our word for it.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
You read it.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
And as you read, I'm gonna teach. I'm not making
up stuff. And the Bible is self evident of what
Jesus mental like, right it is. It is so simple
as six stemia olds can understand it. But they have
to lie because the truth is too hard for them
to marthe if they told the truth and then this

(56:20):
is this is this fact, this is not my opinion.
They told the truth about the contribution to society that
whites have been made and blacks have made. Man, they
don't have to be honest. Contribucis to society, algebra, black folks, geeratry,

(56:41):
black people, science, black people, a cholage, black people, music, barren,
good food, civilization, fire will, the first man.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
Rights.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
They don't love them, I mean nothing, this is this
is this is not even hate speech. They playing weapons.
They really where Trevor.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Right, No, you're you're you're pulling down somebody's alley right now,
doctor Turner.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
I believe. But what what what co bel ed, not barrel,
not storylins, not appropriate? What they have been the Adams society,
We are better.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Port And do you think that's why they hate us
so much, because they figured they know, you know, we
don't know our accomplishments, and we're not just sawn by
the ones state side, but the ones that you sort
of mentioned back in ancient Egypt, our ancestors, you know,
the cradle of civilization, all that was stolen by the Greeks.
But do you think white folks. The majority of white

(57:59):
folk know that, and they're trying to trying to erase
that that that and this is why because again it's
a cause for reparations. If anything, if all the stuff
that we did and it was stolen, that that makes
the case for reparations. And this is why you're marching
to d C. To the White House. Do you think
they do it deliberately?

Speaker 6 (58:19):
Absolutely? Absolutely deliberate, because they know if we knew all
that we have contributed, not just in America, but before
we came here. And guess what they did. They took
the original man, They took the forgeratives off o you

(58:42):
know now signs, the original teas and all this stuff
philosophy and talk about a race for talent, talk about
their management. You know we're in Baltimore. They might mention
exaginmore who have done that to their best and brightened minds.

(59:03):
They made them James Charnel Broughton, forget how American, how
profession's flavor was evere, the coronso worse and brain power
to bring the brightest minds that word beter thin and
put them in shackles. How stupid tall you mean to
make Lebron James or Lamar Jackson the wilder boy.

Speaker 7 (59:26):
For the team.

Speaker 6 (59:27):
How damn can you mean to make Michael Jordon the
longer boys?

Speaker 7 (59:36):
They gotta be able to tell me money.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
But that's what America did, what far as he is
as he is ver them after they were Ina stated,
gave them the worst and everything to work with, handing
down books, the Labordi schools had the walk to school,
no blessed. But yet we still perform. We still created

(59:59):
Merton see us Kidd, spightal Man. I'm gonna say Howard
Hampton and spray of everything we want to say, compensate
and we're past for George Rochinton, who was castrated, still
became a scientific genius. Right, you can't make this stuff up.
This country has crapped on that superstar. So we're still

(01:00:24):
got it away the planking and Michael Jackson and Sam Cook,
we're still taking them how to enjoy the blues with
gem she that mad days with Santa David Junior. So
that's why I wanted to known. I'm going to be
an ambrassment for them of how fairly they treated some

(01:00:48):
the best go guard ever maid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I hold that though right there, fourteen a half a
Tavey Attorney and Keichi Taife is chicking in she's online.
Why she's calling from the district Grand Risings with Turner.

Speaker 12 (01:01:02):
Oh my goodness, yes man rising. I just want to
give some strength and some energy to Reverend Turner on
his phenomenal walk He's been doing this several years now
to the White House dealing with the issue of reparations.
I just want to thank you for all that you do.
And you know, though we all may not be with
you in person, we are all with you in spirits

(01:01:25):
on that walks. I just want you to want to say,
keep on keeping eyes and call.

Speaker 11 (01:01:29):
I do have a question for.

Speaker 12 (01:01:30):
Reverend Turner, if that's okay, sure, all right now, So
a phenomenal book last year and I'm just tuning in
so I don't know if he's spoken about it, but
creating a culture of repaired.

Speaker 11 (01:01:42):
Taking action on the road to reparation. See, he's on
the road to reparations right now.

Speaker 12 (01:01:47):
I'm vementary. Can you just say something about that book
that you wrote uh last year and just you know
how this relates to what you are doing with respect
to UH, you know, bringing this attention.

Speaker 11 (01:02:01):
To Washington, to the White House, brother Nelson.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
I just want to take him on the personal privilege
the teaching is, she wrote, like, I'm having a fan
moment out here, because she is incredibly gifted, has been
doing this reparations advocacy all my life, all my adult
life especially, and I'm still putting her aditate editate organized.

(01:02:30):
So I'm just thankful that she's you gonna call it
into your show, But no, thank you. I have not
had a chance to mention the book Creating a Culture Repair.
But to your listener, all this, brother Nelson. It is
a book, as she stated, came out last April twenty
twenty four. It's the longest listen to repair to her
ideas done by an individual in the world, over one

(01:02:52):
hundred ways of given repair. And it's divided up and
before categorists modeled from the UN definition of what reparations
is and what it should consists of.

Speaker 7 (01:03:03):
So I took those.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
Definitions and developed four categories of individual reparations, socider reparations,
it's twoter reparations, which means the truest form, and spiritual reparations.
I do book talks, book stays. In fact, I had
a book signing yesterday in Baltimore, where I talked about
the book that lost to a stated guide developed by
the publisher to be used in conjunction with the books

(01:03:29):
it is. It is still the comprehensive a lot of
what I'm talking about now you're all they your time
in the book. It is available everywhere, books a Song, Amazon, Larguage,
books of millions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Right and who I thought? Right there, Doctor turn We
got a step aside for a few mot tell it
you finished your thought about the book, and thank your
sister an Keichi Taif for calling in this morning from Washington,
d C. Family, you can do the same. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six on take your phone calls next on the road.
So if we're losing me or the understandings on itself
is walking from Baltimore to the White House to draw

(01:04:02):
attention to reparations. Before we left, his sister and Taifa
called in and to talk about your book. I didn't
know you had a book, So thank you attorney and Kichi.
So tell us more about the book. Where can we
get the copies of the book? And again the title
of the book, Doctor.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Turner is entire of creating a culture of a path.
You can get it anywhere books are sold Amazon, more
of the Nobles, you can get it problems direct from
the problem should with mister Donn it is, it is
I'm being biased, but it is a very I think

(01:04:38):
it's kind of moved to have in your library if
you want to know a the history and and me
the polution and season why right, A lot of a
lot of there's a lot of scholarship now done on reparations.
But I fought from a lot of those resources to

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create a statement of solutions and what can be done
and how.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
To do them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:04):
If the appendix actually gives examples of what concrete and
it can be done in your local context. So yeah,
and I'll be happy to for your audience, they'll reach
out to you schedule some sort of post conversation event,

(01:05:26):
a party where I could share more about the book
and detail Every Thursday, the first Thursday of every month,
and in Talman Temple we have a book club and
the first book that we're reading is Creating a touch
of a Pack. But if that data is not amanable
to your audience, sure there can be other times that

(01:05:47):
we can schedule to discuss the book, but it's very important.
It's not the only the more operations, but it's the
one you definitely add to your library because it gives solutions.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
To what we can do as a.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
People on different levels individual, society, institutional, and of course therapist.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Got you twenty three At the top, there are eight
hundred four or five yeero seventy eight to seventy six.
Speak to doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner, Dallas calling us
from Baltimore Online two Grand Rising Deli with doctor.

Speaker 11 (01:06:21):
Turner, Ran risinghal that brand rising the Turner I love
in Tourna. I just need to ask the question because
I get so not confused, but I'm still learning, and
I want to know what is your opinion of who
wrote the Bible and who wrote the Bible. I know

(01:06:44):
who wrote it, the Saint James, I hear, but who
wrote the Bible? Did the black man write the Bible?

Speaker 7 (01:06:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
The Bible across from the lab word vimme of which
means the book. But it really has Parson and Parson
Bible sixty exist books inside the Bible or inside the book,
and they have a host of different authors.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
Traditionally believed the first five books, the Torah written by Moses,
subsequent books written by the prophets, and the Gospels written
by those who who their names are for Uh. They
called the letters in the epistles. But as it relates
to more specific the original copies for one thing, but

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because they didn't have zerops for shades back then, they
didn't have emails back then, the original copies in or
for them to be spread to different communities throughout the world,
so the Belize have a copy of them to read.

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
They had to have.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
Scribes, so they are different communities of scribs all throughout
what they called the East, it's northeast Africa. And they
were pretty much root tall. They monks, and a lot
of them they sing.

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
S E in the esct was they might work for it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
They were in the desert right, this is higher desert
where all they could be was poke was on the
word of God. And they wrote. And those coaches looked
like us. And the recently was the discovery, and they
called it there sh Sclave and they were written by Clives.
And the other coaches too were in the desert. And
as we stayed earlier from earlier Parler, when you're outside

(01:08:28):
in the sun and all day you're gonna normally be
the dacted than that than most these were black people,
right that that that that wrote the original text. They
were later translated into barriage language such as English, were
working in Latin, the English as long as talf.

Speaker 11 (01:08:48):
For yes, thank you. It's just that it's always been
a puzzling to me because different people wrote the scriptures
in that Bible end up and and it's just that
sometimes and a lot of times when you read it
it's interpreted, it's the way it's interpreted, and it's just
like now you wrote a book. Other people write books.

(01:09:10):
So I haven't always been a puzzling for me because
we refer to that a lot of things in references
our blackness and all. And I just wanted to ask
you that question. Thank you. You told me everything that
I've heard before. It just said it still can be
very confused. I mean, you're reading the Bible, and that's
all I have to say. Thank you for all answering
my question. And I appreciate you your coach show card.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Thank you all right, thank you. Dylan call Us from
Baltimore twenty six after the top there with our guest
doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Baltimore's Empowerment Temple Ame Church.
He's on the road family. That's why his phone might
be like a little crazy because he's marching all the
way to the White House. Will draw attention to reparations.
Question for you, a tweet question for your creticis does

(01:09:52):
the pastor think he can ask other pastors to watch
the entire nineteen sixty three speech. I think it's about
this lunch Washington with their congregations and thank him for
keeping his boots on the ground. This is a tweet
question coming to you from Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
Yes, I think that'll be wonderful for white congregations to
watch the right thing, basically all the game speech. The
first speech I had to memorize outside of a Christmas
speech the church was the I have a Dream speech
by doctor Marther King and it is to me still

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one of these most prolific speeches done by any human
in any era of time. So I think that it
would be very much so beneficial to white congregations to
hear it. That's that's actually a great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, interesting with what's going on now with these white congregations,
especially with that white evangelical preacher who's telling the white
folks that they need to have a conversation with their
children about us black people in the black community because
they should, you know, basically telling them we're horrible and
be afraid of us, and be scared of us, don't
go around us. This is what he's preaching. And the

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thing is, you know, doctor Tryla, just imagine he's saying that,
and he's got people in his congregation who probably have
jobs to hire people if you think they're going to
hire a black person hearing that their pastor told them
be wary of us. That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
What's no damaging and cannot be taken care or because
as we know, the teachings of white pastors have influence,
and she'd have to influence that law.

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
We saw it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
It's recorded in place as far as the nineteen to
the regular masters, you know, have made the first to
join the first. Now that your terror. What people don't
know is that that was a white pastor of a
member the church in Tulsa. After this white woman was
allegedly parassed by a black man, which they found out

(01:12:15):
to not be truth. He stoked phil by having his
sermons published and anger he so fit and anger in
the white society, and many believe that is what led
to the white mob mis standing upon the sheriff's kind

(01:12:41):
of jail to try to take Dick Roman out to
hang him. So, yes, what he said can certainly influence
the action of his parishioners as what white preachers have
said since we've had a white Church of America. Now,

(01:13:04):
they're sermons have impact and have really couched lives of
black folks in those communities. And it's a shame. And
that's somebody you have the answer for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Well, let me as you jumping and ask you's a
thirty minutes at the topic as a as a fellow pastor,
you know, to he bothered you. It's a concern you
that when you hear these racist and tropes coming out
of some of these people who do the same job
that you do, probably went to divinity school, the same
divinity school, and come away with a different idea of
what God is. God God is from what I am saying,

(01:13:40):
God is supposed to be loved. But they're coming through
with his hatred and they're preaching it on a Saturday,
on a Sunday, telling their audiences the congregation to be
afraid of us because we're horrible people. Does that bother
you when you hear stuff like that as a coming
from a supposed a pastor as well?

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
It's infuriating a fury is I wasn't there, but I
can imagine what Jesus felt like when he went into
the temple and so people no question the poor. It
has to go turn on the money changing tables. And
when he called out the past season sad seeds and

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pusson the poor, it is very furio. And it's so
I'm happy that you allowed me to speak to that
because I think it's in credit, but as it was
spoken by encouragement as also as announced by courts, because
it is it does not represent the truth of the gospel,

(01:14:40):
because then you're right, Bible teachers love God is love,
but also God hates evil and what they're doing is
evil and they needed to help. They want me theother
account for that. I just I wouldn't want to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Yeah, let me get this in there because I almost
forgot a tweet question and what wanted to know? How
do you think the black maga field when they hear
the white evangelical maga pastor telling them that he's telling
the white folks in his congression to be afraid of
black folks and the black magas who have drunk the
kool aid? How do you think they feel when they
hear stuff like that? This is a tweet question.

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
They probably say they tell their kids same thing. I mean,
they are so long learned and having internalized seff hated
so much that they're probably regretted their black them say so,
I just I don't they will.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
To put it s all right, we got some more
folks want to talk to you. At twenty yet away
from the top down. Henry's calling for Baltimore's online one
Grand Rise and Henry, you're on with doctor Robert Richard
Allen Turner.

Speaker 13 (01:15:49):
Uh yeah, how often did he walk? Uh?

Speaker 14 (01:15:55):
How often do he walk?

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
And is he going to walk now?

Speaker 15 (01:15:59):
And he going to be doing it throughout the question? Yeah, okay, yeah,
twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Thank you, Henry, doctor you get the question.

Speaker 6 (01:16:17):
Yes I did, and brother hearing, thank you for that question.
I want every month. This is now my thirty sixth time,
so attentially it's three years. I eventually talking about three years.
I started October twelfth of twenty twenty two, and this
is my thirty sixth walk and those women in the

(01:16:41):
creektone eyes. I'll be doing it again. Listen Mark on
the date, still praying about it, but right now tentatively
is going to be October sixteenth, the uh, the date
of the million Man Marshall, the thirtieth anniversary you can
be to my brother that said thirtieth anniversary of the
million in Marge will be October sixteenth, Thursday, October sixteenth.

(01:17:04):
So I'm really challenging all men and women, but especially
the men to come out and uh and walk with
us to the White House on that Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Park right now, where are you located now? Where exactly
in Baltimore are you? Doctor Turner?

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
Oh? What I'm right? A challenge from the Guinness back
to it on Washington mille Var right before us if
you get on the exit for Panthers Hill on one
nine of five west More week one uh and beautiful
day outside.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
But right now I'm right.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Across from Guinness about to walk up this terrible hill
in Eltwis. It's one of my speakers who is our client.
I'll mean opposing that shower.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Okay, twenty six away from the top with doctor Robert
Richard Allen Turner on his march from Baltimore to the
White House to draw attention to reparations. Mike's in Washington,
d C. Has a question for you online too, Grand
Rising Mike here on with doctor Turner.

Speaker 14 (01:18:18):
Grand Rosin, doctor and gram Rosin uh, doctor, mister Nelson
and also mister Chundan Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:18:26):
Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 14 (01:18:27):
Unfortunately, we don't condone violence and stuff like that. But
what happens that he had touched a lot of people
and they found out that the shooter, the shooter of
the guy that they taught. What happens that they found
out that his living boyfriend move was a transgender guy.
Has been offended upon a lot of things that Donald
Trump and another thing that's been about the transgender community.

(01:18:49):
So he's really up that they went and did that.
The second thing, one reason why Charlie Kirk and I'll
helped Trump get alectic was that on a Collins campuses
all right, canar Tokre and China to certain so much
billion to buildings, a dollards, taint in the Holly Allergy,
Christianity across the world or stuff like that. So Charlie

(01:19:09):
Kirk was going into evangelicals what you were talking about
to get these white young men that come back here
and that Charlick Ritain and help sustain Christianity throughout the war.
Quite has been going on for a long time. So
we saw that Israel bomb Israel bomb a conclave they
took lamb over over the last week, and those people

(01:19:29):
of Mark later and they also.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Did the same thing, right right, Mike, I'm not hearing
a question here, but but I'll tell you what, because
we're coming up on a break, just say that and
call back when doctor doctor Taylor because he's going to
deal with that that whole issue with with Charlie Kirk
because we're talking about reparations and the and I know
there's a connection there. Trying to make the connection between
Charlie clirk Kirk what he did and what's going on

(01:19:52):
is because we know he doesn't like reparations for straight up,
he doesn't like black people, so you know, and he
said that, So this this isn't a it's nothing new,
So you know, we're not We're not, you know, trying
to fabricate some information here. He's already said that what
do he says that black women don't have the brain power. Uh,
you know, that's what they're taking a white person's spot spot.

(01:20:13):
But anyway, we gotta take a break. That's why I
might got to cut you off because I hear what
you're spotting, but I didn't see a questioning there. So
save that for doctor Taylor when he comes out twenty
three away from the top there. We gotta check the ladies, news,
trafficing weather with doctor Turner. So if you got a
question for him, reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take calls after the news and Grand Rising family, thanks

(01:20:34):
for starting your week with us and our guess, doctor
Robert Richard Allen Turner. He's marching to bolt to the
White House from Baltimore. Is his cell phone? And before
we do that, let me just remind you a company.
Later this morning, we're gonna speak with black politics expert,
doctor James Taylor. And before we get to doctor Taylor, though,
carry Wan what carry? Let me get Carry's real name
right now. Carrie Watson's gonna join us. If he's the

(01:20:56):
five period of public Affairs for the Baltimore Oriols, He's
gonna be here momentarily. So doctor Robert Richard Allan Turner,
you're on you way? Where are you now? What is
the route you're taking? The White House? So people are listening,
they want to march with you. How can they join you?

Speaker 7 (01:21:10):
Hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Man, I'm already right now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
He's out in the street and he's got some people who.

Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
Are walking in the uh passing up the Pasca River,
entering into Howard County. And just had a good brother
come my head greatly on his way to work.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
And and then and the rest of the directions, the
rest of the rest of the directions to the White House.
What's what's the route your router?

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
You one?

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
And right now it's Washington milliv through Baltimore City, Baltimore County,
and Howard County, uh and entering that's coming up, brother.
But I'm entering Howell County elkwards right now and about
to go up. This is highway to Heaven here, as

(01:22:06):
I call him. And Uh, I'll be a house kind
of for a little bit until I get into Crank
or other county, passing through uh Law, North Law, all
of those places.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
All right, So what time do you expect that you'll
be at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
What time it depends.

Speaker 11 (01:22:31):
I have.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Just keep a pretty good pace, which is easy now.
But the I have a I have another of room
after this with the group who's going to Solidari to
walk with me out of Kansas City and when I
when I I love going interviews. I love sharing the

(01:22:55):
message with y'all. Y'all because it is so important, and y'all,
I'm trying to think the answer. The pencils turn me
down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Yeah, but the doctor Tom, We're gonta let you go
because we have carry Watson on deck and he's running
on a time schedule. But I thank you and keep
us informed. Just call Kevin and let us know where
you are so we can tell people where you are
in your march this morning. But thank you for doing
that to tend two reparations. Fetching away from the top
of the our family. Kerrie Watson grand Rising, Welcome to

(01:23:27):
the program.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Hey, Carl, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Carrie is the vice president of public Affairs for the
Baltimore Orioles and they're having an HBC unit at Camden Yards.
How did this come about?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Carry No, several years ago we started an hbc unit,
but it was rather beannign and maybe about two years ago,
two seasons ago, we decided we were going to level
it up. We were going to really try to engage
our HBCU and panhal out our fraternity is the sorority

(01:24:00):
always get that word, and by to as much as
we possibly could bring that energy that you have when
you go to an HBCU football game and try to
bring it into our ballpark. We want to make people
feel like not just that you're welcome in our ballpark,
but that you're wanted in our ballpark.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
So what's going to take place?

Speaker 7 (01:24:21):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
What are we going to see? If we're an hbc
student or alumni because of chevel in the Maryland area,
if we show up and you guys are playing the Yankees?
So what's what are we going to see?

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
No, I think you're going to see a lot of
what you would see if you've gone to a Morgan
football game. We're going to see the bands, We're going
to see step shows, We're going to see that energy,
the music. A Mortgan state, as a matter of sight,
is going to be singing the national anthem and and
lift every voice and sing We're going to have Lloyd,
the R and B singer, National R and B singer.

(01:24:56):
Who knew that Lloyd was a big Baltimore Orioles fan,
but he is, and one of our colleagues here at
the Orioles got met him and started talking to me,
expressed his interests and desire to come and spend his
time with us on our HBC unit. It's going to
be an evening of a lot of energy, a lot

(01:25:18):
of spirit, and a good baseball game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yeah, because you guys are playing my Yankee So I
just you know, we're cool, though, Terry, I just want
you to I just want you to know that. So
because it wherever the Yankees play, there's gonna be a
lot of Yankee fans in in the in the ballpark,
you know that, wherever they play anywhere on the road. Yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
Are on Uh, they're trying to get a playoff first,
and we're trying to ruin it for him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Quite that simple, straight up. Let me ask you this though,
because the first time I've heard about this HBC unite.
Do a lot of the professional ball teams do this
have an HBC unite?

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Yeah, not all of them, but but several of them. Yes,
you know, as you look at the map of baseball
organizations throughout the country, I would suggest to you that
it is the Baltimore Oils and the Atlanta Braves that
probably have the best concentration of HBCUs around that city.
You know, we like to claim at least four of them.

(01:26:19):
University of Marylynisa Sure, Morgan Coppin, and we State, but
you know we draw from the DC area as well.
How will be there with us on Thursday night? And
I think it's our responsibility. We've been here for seventy
one years. We're the old brand in Baltimore, and we
have really a responsibility to bring these historic universities that

(01:26:43):
have meant so much to our region and our city
into our ballpark and make sure that they're recognized. And
again that is also including our sororities and fraternities, that
kind of energy, you know what that looks like, and
bringing it into our ball parties to take to another level.

Speaker 14 (01:27:02):
Nine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I wait for the tough family. Kerry Watch and vice
president of public affairs with the Baltimore Orioles, is here.
They're having HBCU and I at Camden the Odds, so
they are going to play the Yankees. That's the ballgame.
But I want to talk to you about the because
you mentioned the Divine Nine is going to be there
as well. But the marching band. Is it a complementtion
of all the schools or is it one particular school

(01:27:22):
is going to be in the marching band? How's that
going to work out?

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
No, last year we had a band at each entrance
to the ballpark and it gave it just that bit
much more, you know, excitement as you're walking in and
walking out of the games. So you can expect hopefully
to hear them, certainly as you're walking into the park
and going to hear Lloyd in our picnic area in

(01:27:47):
Legends Park. And you know, there is one other item
that I really want to talk to you about because
it's particularly important before we leave this interview, and this
is our a Simple Cell Aware.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Drive.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:28:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
On Tuesday, we will be doing a blood drive in
support of simple cell ANEMI awareness. You know, as I'm
sure most of your guests understand, that is a condition
that impacts people of African descent. However, if you look
at it compared to other conditions and diseases that impact others,

(01:28:29):
the funding and the support for this doesn't quite exist
at the same level. Another thing that's really important, and
this is why the awareness pieces is so critical in
order to provide treatment for patients of sickle cell anemia.
They are much better that, they are much better off

(01:28:50):
if they get blood for these treatments from people of
African descent. And what we're trying to do is bring
recognition to that, bring understanding of that and encourage people
of Africa descent to give blood and support of these
patients that suffer from this terrible condition.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Wow, amazing, Yes, of course, So when is that going
to take place in where can you give us some
more information on that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Carry We will be donating blood at the warehouse at
Oriel Park at Camden Yards on Tuesday between ten and three.
We were bringing more attention to that on Thursday night
and give people the opportunities sign up to give blood
with the Red Cross and then we will have another

(01:29:34):
blood drive in November date to be decided and hopefully
we can get these fans who make the decision because
you know, as you know, and I know there's history
behind this, but many of us don't give blood the
way that we should and don't engage in certain medical

(01:29:55):
procedures the way that we should. But this is an
opportunity to take care of African Americans that suffer from
this condition, and we're the ones that can best accomplish that,
so we have to bring awareness to it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
A good point stix away from the top of the
when the game is being played there, you're going to
have some HBCU themed in game features. Can you share
some of those features with us?

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Kerry completely? Absolutely, There will be certainly music, We will
have stepan step groups doing step shows.

Speaker 6 (01:30:30):
Will be.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
The HBCUs will be completely engaged throughout the entire ball game.
I think what you'll see is this game is themed
entirely in the spirit of the HPCU and the Divine Nine.
So it'll be a really exciting time. If fans want
to come out, five thousand each ticket purchase using HVC

(01:30:55):
linkal benefit HBCUs and hbc related organizations and thirteen eternities.
If you go to ors dot com slash HBC Unite.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Could you repeat that again for the folks in the
back of the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Room, Carrie, certainly, please get online and visit oriols dot
com slash Hbcunite. Do you buy tickets there five dollars.
You can pick your school or your fraterning our sorority,
and five dollars to every ticket goes to those organizations.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Also, we'll come up on a break. We gotta take
the traffic momentarily, but tell us about the nine the
specialty Divine nine Divine nine themed cocktails. I'll tell you
what hold that thought right there, because we got a
look at the time, we got to take the traffic.
I'll let you tell us that when we get back
from the traffic. Family, you got a question for Kerry Watson.
He's a vice president of public affairs for the Baltimore
Orioles and they have an HBCU Nite. It's coming up

(01:31:52):
this Thursday and when they play the Yankees. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six on ticket phone calls. After the traffic and
with it next the.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Carl Nelson showing with the most.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Awesome and grand rising family. Thanks for starting your week

(01:32:29):
with us again. I guess it's carry watching the vice
president of public affairs with the Baltimore Orels that are
having HBCU night on Thursday when the team plays the Yankees.
Before we left. I was asking about the Divine nine
themed cocktails. Who came up with that? And what are
some of those cocktails?

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
One of our teammates here who attended a h c
CU got this great idea that we have cocktails in
our picnic area that will be particularly specialize for our
HBCUs a Divine nine. I think it's going to be
a good time, something new, something unique, something people should

(01:33:09):
have a lot of interest in. You know, we want
to make it a party and it's going to be
a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
All right, Oh good h it's just a time. Let
let me just tweet here I got for you. It's
a time and effort and really important action for the
Baltimore Orels to have an HBC unite this Thursday and
at this big game as a brand. Shriki realized the
advent of Jackie Robson and black fans provided the economic
boost and interest in baseball that economically provided the ability

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to keep baseball viable and all the sports events that
led to that that. Let me just go to the question, though,
will you make an effort to educate the American public
to the significance and importance of HBCUs and black people's
presence in baseball and the sports world. That's a two
question for you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
Carry Well, now, that is absolutely what we're trying to accomplish. Well,
this is what I know. This is what we understand
about our city in Baltimore and about the HBCUs and
the black community in baseball. You know, in the forties fifties,
the black community, that was our sport, that was the
game that we played. That was a game that we

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filled out ballparks to come and watch. And after baseball
was desegregated and for whatever reason, I mean, I think
we could have a long conversations about potentially the reasons
why seventies, eighties, nineties participation in terms of playing baseball
and fans coming to baseball declined and they've continued to decline.

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Now you look at our ballpark and it does not
represent our city. We're in the city of sixty straight
sixty percent black, but our fan base, at least in
terms of attendance, is not sixty percent. And what we
recognize is if we're going to truly be part of
our city and fully engage our community, we have to

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make people feel wanted. We want a community to come
to our Ballpark, So we have to do things to
ensure that they feel that, and that's what we're trying
to accomplish here with HBC Unite, and I hope that
what you'll see as we go forward is it's kind
of a buzzword, but a more inclusive environment where again

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people feel wanted. And that's our goal, that's our stance,
and that's what we hope to accomplience on Thursday, but
not just Thursday, but every time you come in the
Oriel Park at Camden Yard.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Gotcha, hey, carry before to let you go? Brooks Robinson,
Frank Robinson, Jim Palmer, who you got?

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
Wow, that's that's probably probably Lean Frank that said a
no cow. Cal played his entire career with ball in
the oils. You know they're they're. Tim Kirchen, who's a
famous baseball reporter, had the same question and he said

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Cal was the greatest story of all time. And I
have a hard time arguing with that. Consider what he accomplished,
not just the twenty one to thirty one record, but
just nineteen I believe it was nineteen All Star Games.
That kind of hard to argue that Cal was probably
the greatest rial.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
You know, I think it depends on your what year,
because you know, Jim Palmer's hell of a picture. Yeah,
Frank back at you know, in the sixties. So I
guess you if you break it down by what era
they played, and each one of them really deserved the
top top crown, if you will.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
No question, no doubt about it. But you know, cal
kind of changed the game. He was a big man
that played shortstop at a time where it was expected
he was supposed to be small and quick. He could
hit for power, he can hit for average. He was
a special player and changed the game. Not to mention
the iron Man Street, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Sir, before we let you go, carry again for the
tickets for the HBC not what do they have to do,
because we want to have people to show up at
their campa and the alge you mentioned that, you know,
the fan base is not reflected on what the you know,
the community base, if you will, So we need our
folks to show up and support HBCUs and also chair
the Orioles as well and Yankee fans. You can do

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the same, But go ahead carry.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
How did they get muted?

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
Muted?

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
No, it was oils dot com slash HBC Night every
ticket that's purchased. Using that link, a fan can donate
five dollars to their favorite university or denign non entity.
We want you at our ballpark. We want to show
major League Baseball. We want to show sports that this

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is a baseball time. I was at the Ravens game yesterday,
had a great time. But we are in Orielstown, so
please show up for this game. Let's show him house done.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
All right, Thanks Carry, and thank you for doing put
him it's on for us.

Speaker 7 (01:38:00):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
I really appreciate it, absolutely glad to be part of it.
Alrighty family, It's Kerry Watson. He's a vice president of
public affairs for the Baltimore Orioles. Eight minutes off the
top of doctor James Taylor's joined US. Doctor Taylor's Black
Politics aspertis the political scientist Doctor Taylor grand Rising. Welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 7 (01:38:19):
Good morning, Carl.

Speaker 10 (01:38:21):
I gotta ask you this, you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Know, just having that conversation with Carry about that, you know,
why is it that we don't attend these ball games?
And he's correct, you know even you look, it's not
just it's not just the Orioles. You go to any
not even baseball, even basketball, football. We're not in the stands.
How come?

Speaker 7 (01:38:38):
I think if you look at Atlanta, I think you
have to go city by city. You can't look at
the big picture. You have to look at the small picture.
And if you watch baseball the Braves on ESPN, you'll
see a bunch of black folks sitting there in those
luxury sipts. You're not gonna see that too much in
the New York with the Yankees. It's a pro I think,

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matter of having disposable income. And if you're in Atlanta, Georgia,
or say North Carolina and watch the TarHeels football team,
we we're there. But we also have our own institutions.
We don't need white people and we don't need to
go to their games. We don't need them at all.
We can just stay in the swack.

Speaker 5 (01:39:24):
And in the other.

Speaker 7 (01:39:26):
Conference related to the HBCUs, we have a we are
a nation within a nation. And the more racism we're seeing,
the more black institutions and black self focus is going
to emerge as a proper response to all of the
racial backlash that's going on. So I think you know

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you're going to continue to see people take advantage of
whatever they can now You're not gonna see too many
black folks at the Seattle Mariners game or San Francisco
Giants game. The populations of black people are, you know,
cuney there. But if you look at it Braves game

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or let's say, maybe a Memphis Grigley's game in basketball,
you want to see some well healed black folks sitting
in in in those luxury UH boxes and seas because
they can't afford it in certain cities. So I'm saying,
in the big picture, you might not see it, but
if you pay attention, it's right in front of you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Yeah, is going to Laker games. And we talked about
Frank Robinson. He had he had the seasons tickets to
the Lakers. He was always at the Laker games right
down front court there, so he was, you know, great
for Baltimore Oils. But let's let's talk about let's get
in some politics. What's going on with with with uh
with Charlie Kirk, Doctor Taylor, you analyzed the situation, what's

(01:40:57):
going on? They've sort of made him a martyr. Who
do you think would have happened if a suspected shooter
was a black person.

Speaker 7 (01:41:04):
I think it would have allowed further polarization. It undermined
Trump's whole narrative at first, because he was really high
on blaming you know, some kind of minority person, and
when it turned out to be wanted their own, he
shut up the next day and moved on because it

(01:41:25):
didn't give him the political capital that he wanted. So
he moved on, and that forces a lot of other
folks around him to move on. But the Epstein list
is not going away, and this is not going away
just because you know, Trump said so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Do you think all of this is to camouflage or
deflect with what's going on with Epstein because they're making
a big deal out of this.

Speaker 7 (01:41:52):
Everything is about the Epstein List. I mean, this Epstein list,
you know, for me, was not a big deal even
during the campaign. I don't remember for all of the
promises around Epstein lish. I think you have to go
back and see old video. But you know, most of
the analysis says that they hinged everything on twenty twenty
on the promise that they're going to expose Bill Clinton

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and everybody else on the list you know of Alan
Dershowitz and a bunch of other names, people that we know.
But now it turns out, you know, it's a bad
look for Trump and it's not going to get better.
People are not going to move on beyond child molestation.
They won't because black people love children, White people love children,

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Asian people love children, Latinos love their children, Arabs and
Muslims love their children. And that's the one thing I
think across gender and social status that can bring people
together against this right wing encroachment is to point to
the fact that these are innocent children that were victimized.

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And when those women came out recently, you know, again
I hope I don't sound superficial, but many of them
were very attractive young women. And when you saw that
group of women, you're like, yep, he did it. Those
are all his type. Because he talked about Egene Carroll
and he said he wouldn't rape her because she wasn't

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the type his type. Well, the court said ninety million dollars.
But my point is even the young sister. There was
a black woman that was one of the leads spokespersons
if you remember at them presser, and she was very
attractive and she called on you know, Congress to do

(01:43:41):
its job. The problem with Donald Trump is not that
Donald Trump is so powerful. It's that the third leg
of government, the second half of Congress, the Republican led
House and Senate, is not doing its job. It's being irresponsible.
To a marrior in history, Congress is failing the people

(01:44:03):
because of partisanship. And the Founding Fathers don't even mention
political parties in the Constitution. They talk about in the
Federalist papers the dangers of factions and how factions can
be very negative. So the faunidly fathers they should have
taken up and I'm ignoring a lot of other stuff

(01:44:26):
like racism and white supremacy of them, but they should
have at least institutionalized you know that you know, you
can have a more democratic well, I mean a system
that encourages, you know, diversity. But the Founding Fathers, and

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this is the problem with Trump. I try to tell
my students, and you look at the Civil War. The
umbilical cord from the American Revolution goes from the Founding
Fathers to Jefferson Davis, the leader of the Confederacy. The

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umbilical court does not go from the Founding Fathers to
Abraham Lincoln, like we want to believe Jefferson Davis is
on the right side of the Founding Fathers. Abraham Lincoln
is on the wrong side of the Founding Fathers. Donald
Trump is on the right side of the Founding Fathers.
Donald Trump is consistent with the racist white supremacists, patriarchal

(01:45:37):
white over everything else social order that was established here
in America. In other words, the Founding Fathers are proud
of Trump for being racist. Let me be clear, the
Founding Fathers are proud of Trump. He's doing what they
wanted a white man to do in America. This is

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what it's supposed to be like. The lie was the
last fifty years. The lie was I have a dream.
The line was dollar order to pull it. The lie
was I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
The lie was that these white folks for sixty years
because this black people, that they had changed.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
And what we have now was it.

Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
Basically intervening period between the fifties and the twenty twenties
where the last seventy years we were super enough to
believe these devils had changed, and now they back to
who they were in the nineteen fifties, when your mama
and your grandmother were still walking the earth as young women.
We're back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Come up at fifteen half the time down. But what
do you say to the black magavin You see it.
I see most of the black community, Caesar, but you
still have some folks during the attain the kool aid
and they don't see. They don't see what you say.
They don't believe what you just said. They think you're
out of pocket. So I'll let you respond to that
when we get back on and then my call early

(01:47:10):
it's call back. He has a question for you as well. Family,
you two can join our conversation with our guest. It's
doctor James Taylor. He's a black politics experts. He's a
political scientist teacher at the University of San Francisco. You
can reach him at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for rolling with us on
this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with us.
At twenty minutes after the top there with our guest,
doctor James Taylor. Doctor Taylor is a political science and
he teaches politics the University of San Francisco has joined
us this morning. You got a question for m reach
out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six before we left it for the break,
Doctor Taylor's asking you about the black MAGA group. Why

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is it so? Why can't they see what you and
I see and many black people see?

Speaker 6 (01:48:17):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Do they want to see it? Or they bought off
or what?

Speaker 7 (01:48:22):
No. I think it's more psychological. I think it's more
of what Duvoys tries to get at with the concept
of double consciousness, the fact that these black folks that
are torn between their blackness or their African inherit itself
and being an American conditions and the psychological damage. Carl

(01:48:44):
being black in America is a psychological state. It's a
psychological condition. And nobody black other than David Allan Grier's daddy,
the comedian from Living Color. His daddy wrote a book
book called Black Rage in the sixties Pierce and Cobs

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Greer and Cobs David Alan Greer, I'm telling y'all the
comedian that said hated it on in Living Color. His
daddy was a prominent black psychologist in the sixties. He
went to Yale David Allan Greer. He went to Yale
as an actor, but his daddy was a prominent scholar

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that wrote the famous book Black Rage. And that's what
James Baldwin said when he talks about being black in America.
Every day, you're almost in a constant state of rage.
Anybody Black who doesn't have hypertension, that doesn't have a
mental of you know, mental issues in terms of obvious ones,

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you're doing a great job because you're living in an
insane situation. America is insanity for black people. This is
not normal, Carl Where else on Earth, Earth? Where else
on Earth? And I'm asking everybody where else on Earth
do one hundred and ninety million white people live with
fifty million black people? Nowhere? Not one place on Earth,

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not one country on the planet. America. It's the only
place where millions of blacks live with millions of whites.
Not Jamaica, not not Canada, not Australia, not South Africa.
And South Africa might be the only other exception because
of the minority white rule, but the damage done to
black South Africans and black Americans is similar. I've been

(01:50:38):
to South Africa numerous times and I've seen grown black
men who are in South Africa woke up to white
boys children and called them uncle, and it broke my
soul call when I heard it the first time a
grown black man walcome to a white child in South
Africa and call him uncle. So I'm getting back to

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your question about black Mega. These black people are under
the same psychological circumstances that the rest of us are in.
Some of us drink too much because of it. Some
of us smoke too much because of it, some of
us eat too much because of it. Some of us
are obsessed with sex because of it. Carl, being black

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is a psychological condition in American circumstances. Maybe not in
Jamaica or maybe not in HATEI oh, it is in
Hatey too, but for different reasons. My point is, being
black in this white man's world, if you're just waking
up every day and going to work and paying your
bills and keeping your family, you are doing an amazing job.

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Because these devils are not relentless. They are relentless, they
are not stopping. And Trump is the loudest tribune they've
had since George Wallace or Barry Goldwater. This is what
I'm saying Trump is Goldwater, Trump is Barry Trump is
George Wallace, Trump is Ronald Reagan. Trump is all these

(01:52:07):
anti black racists that we've seen in the past. He's
Woodrow Wilson and Andrew Jackson together. If you truk Woodrow
Wilson's policies in Andrew Jackson's policies, that's what Trump is doing.
We are living in the late nineteenth century right now.
These devils have taken us back two hundred years in

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five months. And this is what Nicki Henna Jones said
recently in her interviews. She said Trump has dismantled seventy
years of black progress in a few months. This devil.
Every time the name Epstein comes up, he comes out
with a ku kuk klan of policy and attacks US

(01:52:50):
or immigrants or women and then tries to cover up
the Epstein thing, even as Charlie Kirk thing, I'm not
a conspiracy theorist, but I don't believe the story they're
telling us. I don't believe they're truth. I don't know
what the truth is, but I know what they say.
It ain't I know the white boy that they said
did it on day one. Ain't the white boy they arrested.

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Those are two different white boys called the Lips and
those And again I don't play with conspiracy theories, but
but that's what this is all about. This is about
the stupidity of American education. It's about defunding public schools
where now a greens frog. It's a serious political concept.

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And this kid, what was its named Tyrone Robinson? No,
Tyler Robinson. He had a black name. His name is black.
And they don't know what. The ancestors don't play, they

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don't know what to do with that because his name
is Tyler Robinson. Now, there's a lot of black Tyler
Robinson's in America. His name could have been Poindexter or
Dad or Chad, but it wasn't. It was Tyler. How
many black Tyler do you know? Quite a few? How
many Tyler?

Speaker 16 (01:54:14):
How many?

Speaker 7 (01:54:14):
How many white Robinson's do you know? Ain't a lot
of white Robinsons. But this white boy last name, this
white boy got a black name. And uh, that's why another.
Ancestors don't play. They gave them a black name. And
these people picked him out and said he did it.
And it's like they said, the chickens are coming home
to roost.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
But you know, what you said got a lot of
people in trouble. But I want to move on to
this other aspect. This this white preacher that said the
white families need to have a conversation with amongst with
their children to warn them about us, the black community,
that we're dangerous. How dangerous is that? Should our children
be concerned?

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Because what this pastors said, he told his congregation actually
put on the internet that the white people need to
have the talk. It kind of you know, uh, using
what we use we talk about the talk. They have
to have that talk and be frank and tell that
their family members to watch out for black people because
we're horrible and we're all all the negative aspects of

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that's in the news. And he's a preacher. And just
imagine if in his congregation you got people who hire,
people who buy from people. How have this have this
the impact of this?

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
How do we deal with that?

Speaker 7 (01:55:27):
Name one African country that ever enslaves another African country.
Name one African country that's ever enslaved a European or
non African country. You always hear people tell, oh, African
chiefs so slaves. Well name Okay, that's true. Which African
country is played in another African countries? Seek, y'all so smart,
that's the take, that's the question for the floor. Which

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African country colonize the European country or an Asian country
or a Latin American country. You got to go way
back to you know, to the moors.

Speaker 11 (01:55:59):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:55:59):
And they actually didn't colonize. They civilized the European and
taught them how to brush his teeth and watch his
watch his body. White people have been the most dangerous
thing for black folk. So for a white man to
tell white people that have the talk is a joke,
because they threat they're the dangerous ones. We need to

(01:56:20):
have the talk with our children about them. And the police.
Forget just the police, because Trump has involved in the
devils of America to come out of the woodworks and
come into the mainstream. They did the same thing with rap.
They took the conscious rap and put it to the
margins and put the crap in at the center. So

(01:56:40):
now we had crap rap right. And when it comes
to their racism, they took the you know, the soft
kind liberal racism that will allow you to eat at
Woolworths next to them, even though they don't like it
and turned it back into maga. Trump is pulling in
this country backward in terms of policy. That will have

(01:57:04):
a long term effect in terms of whoever comes in
the future to turn this country back around. Like Martin
Luther King said, we've got some difficult days a hit
and because you got white preachers. It's the white evangelicals.
And honestly, Carul, I don't know how anybody can believe

(01:57:27):
in white Christianity anymore. It's it's white Christianity is the oxymoron,
like jumbo shrimp. They don't go together, whites and Christianity.
First of all, whites colonized Christianity first, and then they
used it to colonize the planet. The Ethiopians were the

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earliest Christians right the the you know, the the Man Acts,
chapter eight. The Ethiopian Eunich in the Bible was the
first baptized Christian as far as I know, the first
Christian to be baptized with black in the Bible. And
that's that's the part they didn't cut out. So again,

(01:58:10):
this is why I love Jamal Bryant. Right now, Jamal
Bryant has found his sweet spot. He did a lot
of stupid stuff years ago with Ama Rosa on reality TV.
You know, all the scandals around his life, but he
found his sweet spot down there in Atlanta and he
is a intelligent, coherent voice. He joined the Target movement

(01:58:31):
and you know, they turn out like he let it,
but he didn't. But but he's taking credit for Target.
The Target stop declines. But we do need a representative voice,
a go to voice, and so far. Again, you can
judge him if you want, but you know, make sure
your your closets clean. With Jamal Bryant and others, I

(01:58:54):
saw another pastor. I've seen several black pastors. Let me
say that, I've seen several black pastors online speaking the
truth to these times, and we should be proud of them.
We're we are Black people are trained to hate our preachers.
We are conditioned to put down our ministers and our leaders.
It's a it's a racist thing where black folks wake

(01:59:15):
up and and urinate on their preachers. The comedians Dave Chappelle,
Richard pryor Eddie Murphy name them. They we always mocked
our preachers, the preacher's wife, the movie with Whitney and Corey,
with brother Corey. That's the reality of preachers in America

(01:59:36):
broke no money, always like a school teacher, always buying
the school objects for the children and not being compensated
for the real preachers in Black America are on the
front lines of everyday life helping people. When COVID hit,
who do think did all the call who did all
the funerals for COVID? All in Black preachers did the

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funerals for all of the millions of Black people or
hundreds of thousands of us that died, and they got
no credit for it. But they were jeopardizing themselves and
their congregations having funerals. And that's where a lot of
our people kept getting sick. Is that the funerals. But
my point is, and I don't want to get too
far up on this, but I'm just trying to show
you that we have been brainwashed to put down black ministers,

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and we all do it, and we don't even ask
ourselves why do we do it? But it's the most
important institution we got in the black community is the
church still took this day and yet and yet we disrespected.
The other institution we got that they can't figure out
is the HPCUS. We still have black institutions black, the

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Black church, the black colleges. They can take affirmative action
and kick every black child out of all American p
wis predominantly institutions. So do you understand black people would
thrive under those conditions if they said no more Black
kids in white universities, Howard would just get more enrollment,

(02:01:13):
Clark and Random would get more enrollment. Some of them
would get more enrollment. Cheney State would get more enrollment.
That's what's happening right now. Our children are saying, your
racism ain't stopping nothing. We've been living with them for
five hundred years. And again I ask the crowd or

(02:01:34):
the audience, name another country where black people and white
people have lived together side by side for five hundred years.
You can't do it. We naturalize our situation called when
we think this is normal. We think black and white
living together is normal, basically extremely abnormal. On the earth,

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most coaches are homogeneous, not head of ro genius. And
when they're head of rogenius, the basis of that diversity
is usually the basis of oppression. Whether it's language in Canada,
whether it's religion in Northern Ireland, whether it's ethnicity in
Bosnia and Herzegovinia back in the day, or whether it's

(02:02:14):
race in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa or Brazil, those
four countries other than America, this is where the race
variable is the most powerful. Again New Zealand with the Maori,
South Africa, Brazil, the United States and Australia. Those countries

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the white minorities or the white majorities have intermingled with
their colonial subjects. But we are the only group. Jamaicans
don't live with white people. White people are the minority
in Jamaica, and I ain't never been ny a minority

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in the Bahamas, Native minority in Guyana. You're a minority
in most countries in the in the Americas, in the
New World, white folk are the minority except the United
States in Canada.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
Right and hold that throne right there, Doctor Taylor, We
got a bunch of folks got questions for you. You
wrote rose to Dad this morning, twenty five away from
the top of that. So let's take a coffee before
it goes to break. Ramon's reaching out to us. He's
online five, He's coming from Washington, DC. Grand Rising, Ramon,
You're on with doctor Taylor.

Speaker 5 (02:03:29):
Grand Rising and made how higher powers blessed both of you.
I concur with you on one hundred percent of everything
that you said.

Speaker 7 (02:03:41):
I believe that.

Speaker 5 (02:03:44):
That if we as people of color African people in
this country would go to like have our businesses co op,
the music industry co op, certain things co op instead
of just all of it going to the top uh person,

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then I believe that we would we would be far off.
I believe that is that is the solution to make
our businesses co ops, especially the music business and the
television business and so forth and so and if we
could do that, money would trickle down and the resources
we would have the resources to to uh have arms

(02:04:29):
to defend ourselves in so much more if we went
co ops.

Speaker 7 (02:04:33):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:04:33):
Secondly, I believe that a lot of uh uh African
American people don't uh care for Trump uh, but I
believe that I believe that because he's against homosexuality, which

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I think that most especially black men uh uh against
that appeals to them. And also I believe that the
immigrant problem. You know, people always say, uh, well other people,
we should coexist with other people, especially Spanish people. If

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people understood the history of the Spanish and how when
they came to this country and they colonized a lot
of Spanish speaking countries that they killed off ninety five
percent of the men, people of colored men, black men
all over the world. But yet we want to we

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want to coexist or promote, right, Ramon.

Speaker 2 (02:05:42):
I'm gonna let you go because we got coming up
on a break and I want doctor Taylor to respond
to what you just said. He put a lot on
his plate, so I'll let him respond when we get back. Family,
you could too can do the same thing like Ramone.
Just reach out to us at eight hundred four five
zero seventy eight seventy six or twenty two minutes away
from the top. That will take your phone calls. Next
and grand rising family, as you starting your week with
us and our guests, doctor James Taylor. Before we go

(02:06:03):
back to doctor Taylor, let me just remind you coming
up late this week, you're here from the University of
Houston's doctor Gerald Horn, also a metaphysician. Doctor b will
be with us and Morgan State Professor Dr Ray Wheelers
should also be here. So if you are in Baltimore,
I make sure you keep your radio locked in tight
on ten ten WLB. If you're in the damn VVO
around FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty

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wol all right, doctor Taylor, I'm do you remember Ramon's
three questions. He talked about co ops, He talked about
a gay issue, also talked about immigration as well, and
your thoughts on the.

Speaker 7 (02:06:34):
Co op issue. You know, we do need to do
different economic efforts. I think we need to experiment. We
lost our Garbyism, we lost our economic black consciousness when
we became integrated after World War Two. But prior to
World War Two, you have to tell more black people
to do co ops. They did it automatically. That's what

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Tulsa was. That's what the be out here in California,
where a disciple of Booker T. Washington created a place
in the in California where people go visit.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
The name of aorth to me, huh Allensworth, Allen's.

Speaker 7 (02:07:14):
Worth, Thank you, Allen's Worth. That's another example. Black folks
came all the way west with Booker T. Washington's ideology
and they developed it. Garvey. It's an expansion of Booker T. Washington.
So Garbyism was black consciousness across the country everywhere in
America with Harlem of the West where black people lived.

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People think it was just San Francisco, but La called
itself Harlem of the West. Omaha called itself Halem of
the West. Tulsa called itself Halem of the West, wherever
there were black people. Because the consciousness came from Garbyism
in Harlem, and it wasn't about Garvey as much as
it was a perfect storm of blackness with Indian, African

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and American black that met together in Harlem and did
their thing. They're doing that again now in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (02:08:04):
I lost doctor Taylor, so go ahead.

Speaker 7 (02:08:09):
They did it again in Atlanta. We're doing it again
in Atlanta. But in Atlanta there's not as much of
a West Indian or African aspect like it was back
in the day of Harlem. So what I'm saying is
the mutual aid. That's how we created black insurance companies.
It was natural to do co op you know, co

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ops and collective ownership. We can still do that with businesses.
There's a pizza place out here in Oakland called Aris
Mendy's where the workers own everything from the cheese to
the keys, and there are no bosses and they have
their own arrangements. My one of my white co workers

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at the university. He lives in a co op with
a bunch of other people down in Santa Cruz, which
is like four hours away from San Francisco. But he
and his family want to live like that, so they
do co ops. They happen to be white, they're co ops.
So co ops or mutual aid or collectivism, it's natural
for us to do it under American conditions. The problem

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is we've lost the mentality that we had. We had
it in World War Two. We had it in World
War One, we had it in the Great Depression, we
had it in reconstruction. We lost it with integration.

Speaker 2 (02:09:31):
On the other thing, and he also mentioned the gay
issue too, because that's another single issue that many of
the voters got behind. Because the most effective ad.

Speaker 7 (02:09:40):
The most effective ad of the twenty twenty election was
Charlemagne Le God and DJ Envy being recorded talking about
the transit issue and the evil about it was that
it was Trump's policy to allow trans individuals to have
surgery in prison. That was the issue. Do you remember

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that Charlemagne and dj NV talked about. But it was
Trump's policy, not kmmala's. But he blamed it on Kamala.
It was projection, It was a lie. But that was
the single most effective ad throughout the twenty twenty campaign
was the Charlemagne a God and DJNV plans conversation about

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operations in prisons. And again key is the lie was
that it was Kamala's policy, it was Trump's and he
used it against her. And because we live in a
devil society, there's no rules that they have to tell
the truth in campaigning. They're my requirement. Bill Clinton got
rid of. Bill Clinton did this when he got rid

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of equal time and truth in telling truth and advertisement.
Bill Clinton took out the referee when it comes to
lies in advertising and in campaigns. So now they could
say anything, and that's what Trumping did. Trump used his

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policy against Kamala and it was the trans people getting
surgery in prisons, right.

Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
And he also talked about the immigration this year with Latinos.

Speaker 7 (02:11:19):
Yeah, and for some black folks, it all depends on
the city, Like la ain't nobody tripping about undocumented workers
because it's un natural. They've always been the majority. If
you in DC is different. Ron Walters, the Great Howard
University Professor and University of Maryland professor the political Scientists.
Before he died, he talked about that that no black

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leader would taken into account or black organizations, the impact
of immigration on entry level workers in hotels or in
you know, the convention industry in DC when people are
coming from all over the world. That's the one city
where black women and black and latinas would be in

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competition for jobs in hotels. Not anywhere else in America
that much, but DC. So from place to place, yes,
But if you come to La or up in Oakland
and start talking about Mexicans, the black folk gonna stand
up and protecting Mexicans because Mexicans have protected black people
in history. Only two countries have ever did anything for

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black America. Two countries. And this is why, you know,
people like me get taken out because they don't want
you to understand this. But the Irish in Ireland, not
the Irish of America, are the worst racists, and they
are the white majority today. They passed the Wasats in
nineteen forty. But the Irish from Ireland, they are the

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most radical pro black people on the planet. And Mexicans,
the country of Mexico, if you go back to Sinco
de Mayo call sinkle demayo. It as much about black
freedom as June tenth is. And we don't celebrate single demayo.
Understanding that Mexico was fighting off France trying to expand

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slavery into Mexico, and the Mexicans said, hell, no, you
cannot bring. The Mexicans went to war against Mitt Romney's family.
This came out when written Mitt Romney ran against Obama
in twenty twelve. The Mormons slavery in America did not
go further west than Utah. It stopped at Utah, the
place where this boy got shot. Charlie Kirk was a

(02:13:31):
slave state. And ain't nobody else in America gonna say that,
call only you on your show. Utah is a slave state,
and the Mormons tried to bring slaves from Utah down
to Mexico, and the Mexicans bought a war against the
Mormons to prevent them from expanding slavery into Mexico. Black

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America does not know because they don't want us to know.
Ireland is down for us. When Frederick Douglass, before Frederick
Douglass even got free, we set a black man named
Charles Riemond r E m O and D. Look him up.
He was Frederick Douglas. Before Frederick Dugly showed up. He
went to Dublin, Ireland, and he talked to the Irish,

(02:14:18):
and he talked to Danny O'Connell. They're George Washington, and
he said, please take a pro Black American position and
he said, okay, I will. So the American Irish betrayed
Black America and they went against the Irish of Ireland
and said we can't we cannot support the negro That's

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what the Irish of America did, and then they took
down Danny O'Connell. There if a cock get shot tomorrow
in Boston, call, if a copckin shot in New York tomorrow,
call is going to be a song played at their funeral.
It don't matter their race or their gender, They're gonna play. Oh,
Danny boy the pipes. The pipes are called Well, Danny

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Boy took a pro Black American position on slavery, and
he got destroyed in Ireland for supporting us in America.
Look it up. I had the PhD. I'm the author,
I've written, I've studied this stuff. I've been reading this
for years. My next book is going to be called black, Green,

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and blue to try to explain how the Irish betrayed
us and became the police. That's see. No, but who
I was was thinking like this, maybe Gerald Horn, But
I'm saying to you, carl the white lynchers were Irish,
and then the police take over the lynching and civilize them,

(02:15:41):
and then it becomes policing. And I said this in
front of five hundred cops in San Francisco. I told
them that the policing is an extension of the lynch
mob in Black America.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
Wow, hold up through right then, because we've got a
bunch of functions trying to get at your doctor Taylor
ate away from the top down my in DCS online one, Mike,
your question for doctor James Taylor.

Speaker 14 (02:16:05):
Good morning, Graham Rising, mister Nelson and Kevin and doctor Taylor,
your last caller and doctor Taylor have got a lot
of great points and a lot of facts. The situation
with Charlie Kirk told uh, We're don't condemn violence or
anything like that, but I come to find out that's
the last call. It said a lot of people voted
for Maca because of the transgender thing. Women in sports

(02:16:26):
and immigration stuff. That was the reason why a lot
of black people, black men especially went over to vote
vote for Republicans. The second thing is that the Charlie
Kirk thing was that, you know, he talked bad about
Martin Luther King.

Speaker 7 (02:16:38):
He was awful.

Speaker 14 (02:16:39):
He's against the civil rights thing, and the civil rights
thing is one of the big reasons for d I
and stuff like that. So you know, Charlie Kirk was
no fan of Martin Luther King and and uh and
civil rights and stuff like that. The third thing is that,
as you said, uh, doctor Taylor, well hoppens that with
colonialism and stuff like that, Qatar and China. One reason

(02:17:01):
why he went Charlie Kirk went to so many campuses
because Katar itself in China putting so many billions, billions
of dollars into nice states universities. And what happens that
you have majority of these white people. He went to
the white university, He didn't go to a species, and
they saw that Christianity was losing his grip, so they
needed they needed him to do what he was doing
to try to bring back Christianity, right. So what happens

(02:17:23):
that that's why you had so many white men ended
up voting for Trump and ended up winning at the
young blud whites and stuff like that. So the last
thing is that the shooter for Donald Trump, I mean
the Charlie Kirk thing. What happens that they found out
he was transgender and he was living with this guy
and he had a lot of problems against you know, uh,
Donald Trump and stuff like that, and that's the reason

(02:17:45):
why he went out and did what he did. So
that's w thank you very much to taking my phone calls.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
Many things said about questioning there, doctor Taylor. You want
to respond to anything that Mike said.

Speaker 7 (02:17:54):
Somebody made the analogy that the only thing that Malcolm
that Martin King has in common with Charlie because that
they were killed by a white man. I think Jamal
Bryant actually said that, but I thought about it that
Charlie Kirk got more in common with Malcolm only not
because of any philosophy at all. I'm just showing you
the situation so similar in that his death came from

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an internecing rivalry within the movement that he belongs to.
Malcolm and the Hanafi murders that happened in DC, the
brutal Hanafi killings that happened in DC. If you don't
know about the Hanafi h a n a Fi killings,
they were brutal. This involved lou Al Sinder who became

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Kareem abdul Jabbah, and then Malcolm X's killing. They beat
up Ruby of ruby D's brother. Ruby D's brother ruby
D had a brother that was be really bad on
the days when Malcolm left the Nation of Islam, Charlie
Kirk was killed by another faction within their own movement

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that felt he wasn't radical enough. And in Malcolm's case,
Malcolm was killed by a fashion of defendants of the
Elisia Muhammad and the FBI and the c i A
in cahoots. But the point is is that you know
uh Kirk was was taken out by a right wing

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group under Nick flint As the Grapers that call him
grapers g r O Y P E R s. Again,
these are some childish white folk are childish. This is childishness.
Their racism is childish. The peppe, the frog, I mean
this is these are people are talking about a green frog.
Call a green frog is a part of this conflict

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between the flint As wing and the UH and the
kirk wing. So the kirk wing and the flint Ay's wing,
and and little Nick Flinty's is a little his white boy,
he looked like he looked he looked like he you know,
he looks dirty, unclean. He don't like women. He sits
behind a microphone every day and just spews out heye,

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Nick frents. This boy was from that group and took
out somebody from the opposing group. This is like the
five percent that is taken out for somebody from the nation,
or somebody from the nation taking out Malcolm from the
Organization of African American Unity. That's what this is. An
internetsing rivalry. But the fact that these devils were killing

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each other and then turned around and looked at us
with one gigantic nword after Look, what I'm saying is
after this man shot this white boy in ninety eight
percent white Utah, somehow demonically, after one white man kills another,
the white population looked at like one collective devil and

(02:20:56):
turned to us and blamed us for the evil that
they've done to each other.

Speaker 2 (02:21:01):
Right, I hold, I thought, right there, doctor Taylor, we
gotta step us side for a few moments. I think
you finish your thought on the other side, it's three
minutes away from the top of our family. You want
to join our discussion with doctor James Taylor. He's a
black political expert. He's a political scientist by trade, teacher
at the University of Cincinnati. Reach out to us in
the University of San Francisco to reach out to us
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight

(02:21:22):
seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (02:21:23):
Next the Carl Nelson Show. You're within the most a
submissive yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:21:51):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for rolling with us on
this Monday morning here. Thanks for starting your week with
us with our guest, doctor James Taylor. As I mentioned,
he's a black politics expert. Doctor Taylor got a bunch
of folks got questions for you. I'm gonna move on
and take some more questions for you. Montez Online too
has come from Washington, DC. Montello, your question for doctor Taylor.

Speaker 17 (02:22:11):
There's a Grand Riser. My question was I wanted to
know what was the difference between the United States and
the United States Corporation because I've been reading some things
that I came across, you know, so I wanted to
know what was the difference between the United States and
the United States Corporation. Yeah, Vronte, to be honest with you,

(02:22:36):
you probably know more about that than me. You probably
can teach me more than I can tell you, because
I've heard about it. I had a white student years ago,
out of nowhere in the class during lecture say America
is a corporation. And I looked at him like I
was perplexed. And then he cited some early documents and
talked about it. And it was an intelligent white student,

(02:22:57):
and I, you know, I was stunned, and I was like, well,
I need to read up on this.

Speaker 7 (02:23:03):
And see what it's about. And America certainly is a capitalism.
I call it a capitalism. That's what I call America.
We live in a capitalism, or we live in a racism.
I'm using it improperly intentionally as a as a part
of speech. We live in a racism. So we don't
live in a country. We live in a racism. And

(02:23:25):
the capitalist part is probably the n c part that
you talk about of USA, inc. But most Americans aren't
educated about the nature of government and the nature of
capitalism and the requirements in the Constitution that America basically
stay capitalists. It doesn't say that, but it implies it

(02:23:46):
with you know, tax policies and the role of government,
the separation of powers, checks and balances. All of that
is to preserve the white economic advantage over non white people.
Capitalism is racism and it's evil, but it's making them billionaires.
And then we're talking about the next but they talking

(02:24:07):
about a trillionaire. Soon they talking about the first trillionaire,
maybe Elon Muska somebody. And we're going to live in
a world with a trillionaire. So yeah, this is this
is this is this is the this is their corporation
and and and we are we are the workers, and
we are the the uh you know, the people that
are exploited on a daily basis. And then they have

(02:24:30):
the police and military to keep us in check do violence.
So yeah, I agree with you, brother.

Speaker 6 (02:24:39):
Okay, I appreciate that.

Speaker 15 (02:24:40):
Back at one other question before.

Speaker 7 (02:24:42):
I'll let you get back to your busy.

Speaker 2 (02:24:46):
Well, uh, I think we lost on Monte three. After
the top. They are Monte cass back if you can
eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six
hockeys in Baltimore has a question for you, doctor Taylor,
doctor Hockey.

Speaker 18 (02:25:01):
Yes, sir, good morning. Always good to hear you, Grand Rizin.
So I appreciate you mentioning the role of the Black
magas you know, and I appreciate you mentioning the role
that this is an internal trouble war, you know, between

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segments of the conservative white Christian nationalists ought right movements,
if you will. And I want to add many people
for instance, where I was aware of the Richard Spencer's
and some of them, you know, all of them don't
have the you know, same philosophies. And then there's something

(02:25:41):
online called an in cell movement, you know, and so
you have these but why is it relevant to black people?
And let me just share for instance, you know, for instance,
in the Maryland area where we have Governor Wes Moore
and rather recently the Black Magas attacked him in Baltimore.

(02:26:02):
I mean it's really uh you know, they were very vocal,
uh in vocal and disrespectful and disrespectful uh to to him,
and it just was like rather appalling. But the the
painful and scary thing is that many white radical that

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really have a high level of hate towards black people.
They may use these hostilities that they see the black
magas uh expressing as a you know, tool to act
out violently, you know, and to target someone like Governor
Wes Moore because of his you know, stances against Trump,
and so these black magas are very dangerous, uh and

(02:26:48):
we have to call him out.

Speaker 14 (02:26:50):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (02:26:50):
And it's sad that you know, form a Nation of
Islam members could be affiliated, uh with with with that
movement now and so this is you know, sometimes you
I can't do it a favor.

Speaker 2 (02:27:01):
I'm putting a question for I'm sure he can respond.

Speaker 18 (02:27:03):
I just won that's all, thank.

Speaker 7 (02:27:05):
You, Okay, Well, yeah, I think there's an economic advantage
to take it up an empty lane, and the liberal
lane has been taken by black leaders like Al Sharpton
and Jesse Jackson. For the last forty years there was
no room. And Ron Walters at Howard and Maryland predicted
the rise of the black conservative. They started with Tom Sewell,

(02:27:27):
what's the name Armstrong Williams and some of these other
black folk. In the Reagan era, black Reagan Knights existed. First,
we got to go to black Reagan Knights before we
can get to black maga. And that's what again the
wonder to me, Carl, is that we're all not black Maga,

(02:27:49):
because it's insanity to be black in America, and black
maga is insanity, and we should all be insane under
these American conditions. So what I'm saying is the majority
of black folks are amazingly strong people psychologically, spiritually, and
our spiritual culture sustains us. But we should all be
crazy like Maga because we're living in a crazy situation.

(02:28:11):
So I'm saying they are victims of their own sense
of self hate. I wrote an article. It's in a
book or Martin Luther King. You got to google it,
but it's an article called King to Sellout or selling
out Martin Luther King, that's the name of the article,
and the article is about black about hip hop, and

(02:28:35):
the phenomena of selling out is a long tradition in America.
Look at a book called Black Judas. Google it. Google
the book called Black Judas. And the guy named William
Hannibal Thomas was and for some reason, like Clarence Thomas,
there's always a key of Thomas and their uncle, well

(02:28:55):
uncle Tom was no sellout, but but they you know,
but I'm gonna use the name anyway. But this man
hated black people, and he wrote about black folks in
a negative way. And the voice writes fiercely to counter
the arguments of a black man describing black people as animals,

(02:29:16):
as thieves, as lazy. We worked for four hundred years,
and the narrative on us is we lazy. That's that's
the mental condition I'm saying we're in. We know we
work for free. We know our grandmothers and our great
grandmothers and great grandfathers work their fingers to the bone
pulling cotton with them thistles. Cotton was like a rose.

(02:29:37):
Cotton is just like a rose plant, and it has
thorns and thistles and a butt. And our people used
to get their fingers poked every day all day, you know,
belles of of of cotton. So so you know we've
been through it, carl And And and that's the country

(02:29:59):
where a black man can work hard and can be
a doctor like the brother who called in. And yet
a white boy who drops out of junior college can
make twelve million dollars saying the N word. That's America.
That's Charlie Kirk. This white boy was not qualified to
be a student of mine in any class I've ever

(02:30:20):
taught with his thinking. And what's deep to me is
he made twelve million dollars off of this. How do
you go from a junior college dropout the twelve million
dollars in networks? Right?

Speaker 2 (02:30:36):
And recalled that doctor Taylor that he attacked black women.
He said, black women don't have the brain power. You know,
they must have gotten their DEI. And he was talking
about Michelle Obama, who's talking about Katanji Brown. Both went
to Ivy League schools, both of attorneys, got law degrees.
And as you mentioned, he's a dropout from a junior college.
But he had the temerity to attack these sisters with

(02:30:59):
their advance I'll let you finish.

Speaker 7 (02:31:02):
And that's typical. That's what they've always done since the
Affirmative Action and the Bell Curve debates of the nineteen
eighties and nineties. Black people, because of our spiritual culture,
are stronger than their racism. And this is the only
thing that we need to understand is Black culture spiritually
is more powerful than white supremacy. And we have survived

(02:31:23):
for five hundred years here under colonized conditions. And that's
the problem with Black America call is we are colonized
population like the Irish were for seven hundred years and
they were called green. We were called black, and we
actually are trying to solve our situation on racial terms.

(02:31:44):
I have a dream one day, right, but we don't
need a dream. We need somebody that can give us
an explanation about our colonial nation with a nation condition
and how we need to rally up. This is what
Master p the Rapper has tried to teach Black America.
He'd been trying to teach us on your masters. Prince

(02:32:05):
was on that. Michael Jackson was on that, James Brown
was on that. Ray Charles was on that. In terms
of going back to the co op issue, we need
to own our music and our art and our culture,
but we let other folks and that's what Kanye was
talking about own it. But again, I asked you, where
in America can a black boy drop out a junior

(02:32:28):
college and become a famous spokesperson and a crew twelve
million dollars in like three or four years. Probably nowhere.
And that's the property of whiteness. A lot of people
say whiteness is a privilege. I've never used white privilege
in my classes or anywhere in my writing. I never

(02:32:50):
used that term. I call it white property. Because if
you go back to the Fourteenth Amendment and go back
to the first cases in the eighteen seventies around the
meaning of the fourteenth Amendment, it was applied to corporations
in a case called the slaughter House cases in Louisiana.
It was not applied to negroes. It was applied to companies.
So the fourteenth Amendment that was the folks give us

(02:33:12):
citizenship guarantees, was actually applied to corporations and made corporations
into persons. That's what they did with the fourteenth Amendment,
and they didn't apply it to us. And the tragedy
of our movement, and you ain't gonna hear this nowhere
else anywhere from anybody is our civil rights leadership focused
on the fourteenth Amendment equal protection under the law. But

(02:33:37):
guests who benefited from that most corporations and white folk
and gay folk. The thirteenth Amendment is ours. You can't
get white folk in the thirteenth Amendment. You cannot get
immigrants in the thirteenth Amendment. You can't get nobody who's
not black in the Thirteenth Amendment. Only black people are
in the thirteenth Amendment. We were the slaves and our

(02:33:58):
movements behind the fourteenth Amendment for equal protection with white
folk instead of the thirteenth Amendment, which is a demand
for reparations and justice. The Thirteenth Amendment and the Juneteenth
Holidays are the only recognition of this country that slavery
ever existed. And unfortunately, the NAACP that was led by

(02:34:20):
white people and founded by white people for black colored folk,
it doesn't say the National Association of Colored Folk. It
says the National Association's Advancement for Colored Folk. And if
you google the founders of the NAACP, you gonna see
two black people, w E. B. D. Boys and the

(02:34:41):
famous sister. And she was not even really a part
of the major proceedings Ida B. Wells. She was there,
but she wasn't really a big part. So these white
folk rose created the NACP. They opposed Booker because Booker
didn't want integration. They didn't oppose Garvey, didn't they opposed King.

(02:35:04):
So the NATP was this white Jewish socialist organization on
our behalf that wanted to undermine our natural black nationalism
of being a nation within a nation, and integration is
what destroyed us, not slavery. We survived slavery, as demonic
as it was, but integration has been far more confused

(02:35:28):
than slavery. Slavery we had clarity, we knew the circumstances.
Integration is the seventy year old lie that Trump has
erased in two months.

Speaker 2 (02:35:42):
All right, hold up, all right there, doctor Taylor. Fourteen
at the top, dare I still got a lot of folks,
got questions for you. Let's go out to Pikesville. Jeans
waiting for us online. Three Grand Rising, Gene, your question
for doctor James Taylor.

Speaker 16 (02:35:53):
Yeah, yeah, Grand Rising, Yeah, I had a question about
Mulattos and Creoles. I was going to ask you, doctor Taylor,
but you know, keep that in the back of your mind.
But when you mentioned the Irish, my question to you
is why didn't you mention the Scots Irish in the
difference between which are Protestants and then the Catholics, who
are right Irish Irish.

Speaker 7 (02:36:15):
You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 16 (02:36:18):
There, okay, any other things that My question to you is,
please uh inform the public about the Mexican American War
when the Catholic Irish uh uh defected. And that's right,
Mexicans in the Mexican War. So right, so right, talk

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about that police.

Speaker 7 (02:36:42):
No, brother, you're you're already gene, you already answered both questions.
I mean, you're right in both of your statements. The
mulatto idea, like the N word is you know, the
N word I told my students recently, is that sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteen,
nineteenth centry words that we still use. We don't use
a lot of nineteen centy words like mulatto, which was

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a reference to a donkey and a mule mating. And
you know, I think one of them is you can't
have U babies or or or youngun's and and and
so mulatto was a derogatory term for a mixed race person.

(02:37:23):
There's a book by Ula Taylor. Ula Taylor at Berkeley
wrote a book uh about Amy Garvey, and it's called
The Veiled Garvy, The Veil the Garvey d E I
L E D Veiled Garvy. And in it she has
a chart that breaks down all the names of what

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we were called in the nineteenth century, mulatto, sambo, mustafino,
listen to this words like musta fino moose. I never
heard of this word must fino mussey m u s
t e e moosey.

Speaker 2 (02:37:59):
Uh right, I hold that thought right there, Doctor Taylor
gott to step us side a few minutes. How did
you get the finish the list? First? And g And
I thank you for your call seventeen and a half
the Top family, I guess it is doctor James Taylor.
Got a bunch of folks wh want to talk to you,
but you can get in if you can reach us
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Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this

(02:38:21):
Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with us. At
twenty minutes after the Top there with doctor James Taylor
is a black politics expert. Before we left, responding to
a question from g And in Pikesville, I didn't know
that we had all those names, but correct me if
I'm wrong. Honestly, back in the day, if you would,
you would Melanie challenge severely live skinned it was, you
would tease to do ride it because I meant the

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oppressor somewhere one of your ancestors was raped or something
like that. Is is there any truth to that?

Speaker 7 (02:38:47):
I mean, you know you can hear you know, people
like Lonetta McGee from back in the day that talk about,
you know, the torture of being mixed race in a
racist society is not that race. That's the problem. It's
the society that gives them no place on any one side.
That has always been perplexing. But real quickly, uh. The

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way this is broken down in Yula Taylor's book Deveiled Garvey,
for example, they show that the child of a Mulatto
and a Negro is called a sambo. And this is
Louisiana law. This is not national this is not America.
This is Louisiana. And that means that the Obama girls

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Obama being mixed raced, married to a Negro woman and
they have children, their two children, Malia and Sasha in
the nineteenth century would be technically sambo's. That's how that's
how they broke it down. The other point he makes
it the great point the Scotch Irish are different than
the Irish Catholics of the Northeast. So Notre Dame Boston

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Celtic's South, you know South Boston, the Southeast, they're you know,
the Boston Red Sox. That's a different kind of Irishness.
That's Catholic Irishness. It's always been hostile to the Presbyterian
Church in the South, which is where the white Protestant
Irish are the majority of whites in the South. The racist,

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the cracker, the cracker, the one that made up the
Kukut Klan. The word clan is the scotch Irish word.
Those who did dueling, dueling d u e l when
they would walk off ten steps and turn around and
shoot with honor. That's a scotch Irish thing. I have
about ten books here in my office about the Scotch Irish.

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They were the lynchers. It wasn't the Irish, it was
the Protestant Irish. So the most racist element of America
was the Scotch Irish, and they dominated pretty much everywhere
from Virginia on down through Arkansas, all the way down
and across is The white Southerner was a Protestant. UH

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and even Barrington Moore, a famous book UH by a
guy named Barrington Moore called the Social Origins of Democracy
and dictatorship says that the Civil War was the last
of the European wars between the the Irish Catholics of
the northeast and the Scotch Irish of the south. That

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that was a civil that that war the Civil War,
he says, more does and he was a Harvard professor.
He said that the Civil War was an Irish war
between two different types of Irish people. And the ones
that supported us were the Catholics. The ones that has
always hated us and lynched us and been the most

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loud hate anti black people have been the Scotch Irish.
And if you read their history, they were like gypsies.
They live in a place called ulster u l s
t e Are and then they got chased out. Oh
there was a mass migration and they could not find
anywhere on the earth to live. And then they found

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the United States. And that is when the Indians got
wiped out. When the Scotch Irish found America, the Indians
got wiped out. And that's why Booker T. Washington adopted
the philosophy that we don't want nothing to do with
white people socially. We went to capitalism, but we don't
want to marry you. We don't want to go to
church with you because Booker Washington saw what the white

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man did to the Indians and he adapted his philosophy accordingly.

Speaker 2 (02:42:35):
All right, hold that thought right there, as I mentioned,
still got a bunch of folks. Got a question for you.
Twenty four minutes after the top ericson Forestville is on
line five, Grand riseing Eric, your question for doctor Taylor
is Eric there on line five. Kevin, not hear it? Okay,
I can hear?

Speaker 6 (02:42:54):
Now?

Speaker 19 (02:42:54):
Go ahead, Eric, yeah, grand liven to you and your kiss,
Doctor Taylor. My question is about the mayors of these
what what they being called sanctuary cities? And it is
a two part sort of question. One what what two
three years ago when uh Governor Abbot shipped I don't

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know whether do migrants or Hispanics to New York City.

Speaker 5 (02:43:20):
Then he went to d C.

Speaker 19 (02:43:22):
And then of course he went to Chicago. And of
course a lot of uh from a lot of flat
was from Chicago, and UH a little bit from uh
a little something from New York, but very little flat
was from d C. UH. Do you so that question
is do you think that the mayors, the black mayor

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should have sent these migrants back to Abbot in defiance
of what he was trying to do. And uh, the
other part of it is, of course, uh, since Trump
was maybe to sending the troops of National Guard to
to Chicago in New York City and.

Speaker 5 (02:44:07):
D C.

Speaker 19 (02:44:08):
I mean, well he says them to DC. But where
they go from here? Because the right time is still raged?

Speaker 7 (02:44:15):
Right, That's a great point. Their last question is a
great question because the answer is in it. They don't
have an endgame, brother, Eric, They don't have an endgame, Marshall.
Even if they did martial law, everybody's like, oh, this
is all leading up to martial law, and then what
do you understand?

Speaker 16 (02:44:30):
My point?

Speaker 7 (02:44:31):
Like Hipolo's endgame was extermination and then he didn't know
what else to do. Try to take poland try to
take countries like Putin is doing. What's the endgame of
what America is doing? What's the endgame of Mega? These
white folks read the census. They know they dying out naturally.
They know that their population is in rapid and irreversible decline.

(02:44:54):
The white population is down to about one hundred and nine.
I think it's about one hundred and oh, man, I
think is ninety million and dropping precipitously. They they know,
and that's what Obama scared them so much for because
they saw him at the tipping point of the browning
of America. Everybody was talking about post racial America and

(02:45:16):
the browning of America. Well, Trump and Maga said, we
can't have that, and so Trump is trying to unnaturally
prevent what is natural. Birth rates are natural. The problem
with white people is that white white men and white
women don't get along, and it's out they're making it
our problem.

Speaker 1 (02:45:35):
Roe v.

Speaker 7 (02:45:36):
Wade. The reason they got rid of Roe v. Wade
rights in terms of federal protections is because white men
need white women to have more baby because they dieing
out naturally.

Speaker 11 (02:45:46):
Look up.

Speaker 7 (02:45:46):
I've said this on here so one hundred times. Deaths
of despair.

Speaker 6 (02:45:50):
The the.

Speaker 7 (02:45:53):
Crisis of these drugs that you know, the opioid crisis,
it's effect black and Latinos and others, but not in community,
not in large groups. You might see about you know,
a handful of black folk high in San fran We're
not a handful a large group of black folk high

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in San Francisco, homeless and using fentanel. But you'll also
see hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of white folk laid
out all over the streets in canatotic states. So the
opioid crisis, the population declined, and then Reagan took fifty
five trillion from white people with trickle down economics. So

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white America's middle class don't exist no more. The American
dream is gone. Reagan took it, and Trump is doing
it again. And these white folk in the poorest places
in America are celebrating it the most. Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia.

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These are terrible places in terms of what the government
does for it people. And yet these same governments have
the money to send National guards to DD. They got
money to play.

Speaker 2 (02:47:09):
Why don't you be here for a second, here here,
doctor Taylor. So why are those folks that are impacted
the most archeell some of those uh, you know states,
Why are they still supporting Donald Trump.

Speaker 7 (02:47:20):
There's a book called for Some of Us, The Sum
Sum of Us, and it says why Americans can't have
nice things. It goes back to the pools, It goes
back to swimming. Black people don't swim well in general,
because for seventy years we were kept away from public
pools and public swimming and ownership of homes with pools,
and they you know, they did that intentionally to underdevelop

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Black America. And that's what they've done. They would rather
we not have universal health care than if black folks
had universal health care. They would rather we not have
anything that Europeans get, you know, the best, the best
or of agents. If you look in certain Asian countries,
they have the best transportation systems. They have magical transportation

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systems that go over traffic. You know, they got buildings
that the Chinese building a week and their state of
the art America could do that. Look how quick they
built that Alclatraz prison, alligated Alcatraz. They did it in
ten days. But the will here is racist. White people
would rather everybody die then black people live.

Speaker 2 (02:48:33):
Say that again for the folks in the back of
the room.

Speaker 7 (02:48:35):
They would rather all of us die than to see
us enjoy life. They cannot take our The thing that
haunted white people the most in slavery was when they
saw black people smiling. They didn't understand it. How could
you smile under slavery conditions? And it was the most
haunting thing. That's what Louis Armstrong used against them. Louis

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Armstrong always haunted them with them big and that big
smile when he said, oh yeah, they didn't know whether
to scream or sing because that smile of Louis Armstrong's
was a remnant of the haunting black smile. And I'm
saying to us that they don't understand how we dance

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in January twenty twenty one. They don't understand how we've
been dancing with the fans and where the you know,
boots on the ground. They don't understand black women's attitudes
right now that we're not getting in the front lines
of this our again. Our spiritual culture is something we created.

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God didn't give it to us. We created it over time,
over centuries, under these American circumstances, and it is why
we now still can survive. And the sad thing for
them is they are dying out. We're having a baby boom.
Were going from forty five million right now to sixty
five million in twenty years, seventy five million by twenty

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seventy five. Agents are going to be six percent instead
of three percent like they've been for a long time. Latinos,
every county in America outbirth rting, outbirthing white women. The
only group in decline in America is the white population,
and the only white population on the earth that is
in decline is the white man of America. So I'll

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say it again. They are willing to bring this whole
thing down before they let the black man be free.
It will never happen because they would lose who they are.
It happened to them when we migrated. Six million of
us left the South and went north. They lost their identity.
They got confused because they didn't have a Negro to

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step on anymore. And now they had to look at
each other. And that's why these devils are killing each
other right now. Look at here. Charlie Kirk was a
college dropout and the boy, Tyler Robinson, was a college dropout.
So we got two white boys, one twenty one or
twenty two, the other one thirty one. Both of them
drop out of college, but they both were living a

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fine upper middle class life and existence, the son of
a cop and a social worker. And Charlie Kirk again
made twelve up to twelve million dollars stealing, you know,
a so called conservative thought. So I want us to
think about that. They got all of us caught up
in this mess. And that's why we have to turn

(02:51:32):
the Internet off sometimes and not follow your algorithms into
the rabbit hole, because it'll bring you down, it'll depress you.
Stop following your algorithms like a slave. Be discerning. Stop
turn it off this call. Part of the problem with
the Internet is there's too many opinions about everything. And

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I don't want to hear everybody's opinion because everybody ain't
qualified to give me an opinion. Kirk is not qualified
to talk to me. That white boy can't talk to me.
He don't have no college education. He don't have no
college degree. I came from the bottoms.

Speaker 12 (02:52:10):
I worked my life.

Speaker 7 (02:52:10):
I worked my way up. I went to a junior
college in Philadelphia. I didn't start off with no PhD.
I went to a junior college in Philadelphia, and I
worked my behind off until I got the peppadine. And
then I worked my behind off at USC And this
white boy gets showed up after dropping out and he
worked twelve million dollars. Man, Please, this is America is

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a Jedi mind trick on black people. And what we
got to understand is God our ancestors have given us
a spiritual culture that we have to keep tapping into.
And I'm not saying it's some high society culture. I'm
saying it's a proletarian, working class, bottom up, grinder, struggling culture.

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But what we've done with it, name another people who've
done what we've done. People always put down Black Americans
from when they come from Africa or the West Indians.
But I asked them, in Jamaica, where's your white man?
In Brazil, where's your white man? In Dominican Republic, where's
your white man? In Puerto Rico, where's your white man? Anywhere?

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With black people have been colonized in the New World,
the white men that colonized them, Haiti went back. Ain't
no French in hating no more. We Black Americans are
the only major black population still living with the white
people who enslaved us. Nobody else is. And that's how
you get us the way we are with guns, with

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the urban hip hop culture, with the negative culture of
our youth, with the drill culture. You get that because
America has gone out of its way to underdevelop the
black group for five hundred years. The American state has
always hated black people. The American state overdeveloped white people.

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And now that white people are no longer considered superior
to anybody, they don't know what to do with themselves.
So the American government underdeveloped black people and overdeveloped white people.
And now that white people can no longer pretend to
death superior, they are in crisis. They don't know what
to do with themselves, and the government can't keep lying.

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And I'm telling them that death superior. Now Trump is flying,
what Trump is doing in modify?

Speaker 2 (02:54:30):
Yeah, oh, I thought right there, Doctor tayl I'll let
you conclude that after this short break, family, to conjoin
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Is he teachers at the University of San Francisco. Before

(02:54:52):
we go back to him, let me just remind you
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(02:55:15):
I got a bunch of foscm across the country, got
questions for us? If you getting short up on the answers,
I appreciate it. All right, Let's go to Darris Darrish
is reaching out to us. He's on Long Island in
New York now in Nassaul County. He's online one grand
rising dere's your question for doctor Taylor.

Speaker 15 (02:55:28):
Grand wives mister Nelson and doctor doctor Till. I got
two questions I want to ask you because I'm noticing
now and it's been a while now, every time whites
get into a situation or they get that he put
on them for what they did slavery, Jim Crow, they.

Speaker 6 (02:55:42):
Start to blame the Jews.

Speaker 15 (02:55:43):
Even with this Charlie Kirk thing, they start to blame you, ohs.

Speaker 7 (02:55:45):
The Jews is Israel is this is that.

Speaker 15 (02:55:48):
And the second question is that form of like deflection
that they don't want to take blame for anything. The
second question is why win we have candidates or Democratic
candidates or any kind of candidate, We have a whole
echo chamber off or reparation, reparation, what they're gonna do
for black people. And then they start this argument, same
thing you saw with Kamala and then you see Trump
wings and then there's silence, and then they start yelling

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old black people need to do everything on their own anywhere,
and and it's like a double talk. So I don't
understand what's going on.

Speaker 7 (02:56:17):
Yes, yes, And just so you know, I'm from glen Cove.
I was born and raised in Nassau County and my brothers.

Speaker 8 (02:56:22):
Are still there.

Speaker 7 (02:56:22):
Cool, so I went to Glencoe High School. So it's
nice to hear somebody from Long Island and from Nasal County.
I always get excited. You ask some good questions, you know,
when it comes to Israel, it's as complicated. I told
my students recently, and this is not a good answer
to your question, but I told my students recently. All

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my life, all I remember is Miknock and began and
Jimmy Carter and m R. Said Dot and the Camp
David Accords, And that was the high moment. That was
forty years ago. And now it's just I told my students,
as long as they live, this is never going to
be resolved. It's got more complicated. Israel is not simply
a country. Uh, it's you know, military necessity for America

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out in that region as a launching pad. You know,
Israel has a bunch of nuclear weapons. There has been
a lot of history and and and then there's this
whole thing going from Henry Ford on forward. I mean,
Henry Ford, think about this, Henry Ford and uh Elon
Musk right, both car you know car guys, both racists

(02:57:26):
and and Henry Ford wrote the Protocols of the Elders
of Zion, right, I believe it was. So you know,
that's a part of there. You know that that that,
you know, blaming Jews has always been the artifact of Christianity,
the Jews. The Christians have always blamed the Jews from
you know, for the past two thousand years since Jesus died,
they blamed Jesus. They blamed the Jews for that, and
that you know, they still call Jews, uh, you know,

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Christ murderers and stuff to insult them. That happened at
my school a few years ago. A student said to
another student in class, you guys are Christ killers to
a Jewish person. So people still carry that kind of thinking,
and it's easy to escape goat Jews, and I'm separating
Jews from Israel. Israel I don't have nothing good to
say about. I have zero good to say about Israel.

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Jewish people I have no problem with, but the state
of Israel. I have nothing good to say about it.
There's nothing good I can say about Israel as a state.
It has been a terrible, terrible eighty years, going back
to gold to my ear, going back to nineteen forty seven,
going back to the belfour Declaration, going back to Gamal Nasser.

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I know the history of the region. I would again,
part of my PhD was in the Middle East and
North Africa, so I know the region and that's why
it's just terrible. The Iranians are Europeans, the Turkish are Europeans,
and the Israelis are Europeans, and they keep more evil
and violence going on over there. The Iranians, Turks and

(02:58:58):
the Israelis than any, not the Arabs. I'm talking about
the Europeans who are over there pretending they're Arabs. Look
up Netting y'all, whose real name? Google Netting y'all, who's
real name? Google Monock and Began's real name, Google Emon
Perez's real name. These are Polish names. And so there's

(02:59:19):
a very complicated history there when it comes to the
Democrats and the reparations game. I was on the San
Francisco Reparations Committee. The Democrats killed it. London Breed killed it.
That's why she got voted out. That's why she not
mayor of San Francisco, because she played with us and
she did not consolidate the black community behind the thing
that the black community was united behind, and so they're quickly.

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London Breed gave the Universal Basic Income to transgender individuals
in San Francisco, meaning basically giving them money monthly for
being trans UBI. It's a kind of reparations. But ain't
no injury. We had an injury in California. It wasn't slavery.
Is everything after slavery, so we fought for it. Gavin

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Newsom laughed at us in a press conference after two
years of acting like he was going to support reparations.
There's some bills right now up in Sacramento where they
want to have another study. Well, our study was comprehensive,
and when we were meeting in San Francisco, there was
a statewide reparations committee that did an extensive report. But

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now they're trying to stall again. But meanwhile, Indians in
California don't pay taxes. Indians in California get reparations. Indians
in California get reparations in the form of no taxes,
federal taxes, and they also have Indian gaming. The Indian gaming,
the you know, gambling is a form of reparations to

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Indias in California. And right in San Francisco, the Japanese
got reparations right in front of our faces. And we
came from the East Coast to help the Japanese. In
nineteen forty three, we helped the Black America came to
the eight of the Japanese in San Francisco when they
were being interned. That's a story that's not well known,
but I'm in San Francisco. I know the history. Black

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America came from all over this country to fight for
the Japanese in nineteen forty three when they can turn them,
and the Japanese have never acknowledged us for that.

Speaker 2 (03:01:19):
All right, Well, I thought right there.

Speaker 7 (03:01:20):
Japanese have opposed us on most things, and they've never
acknowledged the only group that fought for them when they
were in turn with Black Americans.

Speaker 2 (03:01:29):
Wow, all, I thought right that, doct We still got
a bunch of folks trying to get at you. Eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
ten minutes away from the top there. Tony's in Seattle.
He's online too, Grand Rising, Tony, A question for doctor
Taylor is a.

Speaker 13 (03:01:42):
Grand rising to you, brothers. Doctor Taylor is the MAGA movement,
the reincarnation of the Jim Jones movement, especially to Black Americans.

Speaker 7 (03:01:53):
No, I just finished my book. It's called White God,
Black Deaths. The subtitle is Jim Jones Peas Temple and
the Racial Politics of Revolutionary Suicide. And absolutely not. There's
no analogy. The only analogy between Jim Jones and Donald
Trump is that both of their daddies were KKK, thank you,
thank you, thanks.

Speaker 2 (03:02:13):
Thirty eight four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Anwas in Tacoma Park Online three Grand Rising anwal your
question for doctor Taylor, good morning.

Speaker 8 (03:02:24):
Could you talk about the Blue Veins Society and their
influence on the FBI and getting Marcus Garvey deported and
the criminalization of Marcus Garvey.

Speaker 7 (03:02:39):
Yeah, you know, that's funny. I just said this week,
I'd said I showed a documentary on the u ni
A to my students, and I don't know about the
Blue Blood part. I've heard about it, but I'm not
informed enough to speak on it. But I do know
the ash of Philip Randolph another a group of W
E B DO Boys and a bunch of other West
Indians united and they created a movement called Garvey Gotta

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Go and that that worked and they ended up arresting
Garvey over some bunk mail charge mail fraud charge which
was not mail fraud at all, and put him in
prison in Atlanta, deported him to London and he died.
What's crazy call. I don't know if you remember this,
but when the white Man, that's a pro MAGA Trump guy,
Roger Stone, when he was charged, when he got out,

(03:03:24):
it was the craziest thing I ever seen in my life.
He was in the press conference and the whole country,
you know, all the media was in front of him,
and he said free. He said uh, he said expensive
record of Marcus Garvey. I don't know what Roger Stone
and I said what, And they eventually did. So Garvey
has been exonerated posthumously for the faulse charges they had

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up against him. The U n I A was the
best thing they ever happened to Black America. And the
tragedy is it was a perfect storm of events that happened,
and it can't be replicated. But if we could get
back of mentality that we had in World War One,
world War two, before the Great I mean, before the
Great Depression. And Harold Cruz, the great writer I love,

(03:04:09):
he says, we don't know this, We don't know how
united we were under all of these black communities we
created everywhere, because Great Depression kind of wiped out the
knowledge and the data of that time. So the Great
Depression interrupts our understanding of who we were. We were
making our way in America before integration, and the Great

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Depression interrupted that. So we come out of Depression, we
go into World War Two, we come out talk about
I have a dream but before that we were all
about Book of Washington and Garvyism, and that's about fifty
years of black self development and that's the consciousness we
need again. But it's got to be a perfect storm again,

(03:04:50):
and that on how you create those conditions naturally.

Speaker 2 (03:04:54):
All right? Eight away from the topic. Thank you, doctor Taylor,
Thank you anwa Is nature still with us in Atlanta?

Speaker 7 (03:05:04):
Why he's coming? Let me get this in because I'm
want have acknowledge the fact that Charlie Kirk's wife, her
response was not gracious. I think about Merrily Evers, I
think about Betty Shabbaz, I think about Coreta King and
even Jackie O, who I'm no fan of. These women
carry themselves in tragic womans with grace and dignity. Could

(03:05:28):
you imagine if Coreta King said what that woman said
yesterday about this is just the beginning, and you've unleashed.
You don't know what you've unleashed. And then on April fifth,
the day after Martin King was killed, on April fourth,
and then on April fifth, as it really did happen
in sixty eight, the whole country burns. That's what happened

(03:05:48):
in April fifth, sixty eight April fourth and fifth of
nineteen sixty eight, America had one hundred and forty cities burning.
But could you imagine if Coreta King ignited that with
with with the kind of speech that we just all inherited.
Let me say this, no movement and this is again,
this is this is academic. No social movement that loses

(03:06:10):
this charismatic leader thrives afterward they die. So truth, Turning
Point is dead. They're gonna try to keep it alive.
They're gonna try to find another Charlie Kirk. But Turning
Point USA is dead with Charlie Kirk, and there ain't
no reviving it. I promise you look at Malcolm's movement
when he was killed. Oh, the Organization of African Unity

(03:06:33):
died MLK, when MLK was killed, SCLC died, when Garvey
was deported, the U n A i A died. When
when you lose a charismatic personality, the whole movement dies.
So anybody that think Charlie Kirk's got all of these
minions in the in the in the woods, that's gonna
come out and lead the White Revolution, No, he's gone

(03:06:56):
and his movement is going. Now they're going to try
to keep it alive. But again, it's got to be
a perfect storm, and they don't have that. They can't
recreate the conditions that first created Charlie Kirk. So this
is over for them. His wife will you know, continue
to you know, say she you know, represent him, and

(03:07:16):
they'll they're having a funeral a week from now. But
but think about all I mean, Carl, I've seen Alton,
I've seen Orlando Orlando casts still shot on TV. I've
seen Auton Sterling choked out and shot on TV. I've
seen Mark Mike Garner choked out on TV. I've seen

(03:07:36):
George Floyd choked out on TV. And Carl, I've never
I've never got any answer from anybody whether or not
George Floyd's pointing down a bill was really counterfeit. Nobody's
ever answered that question. I'm gonna die asking that question.
That could be my last words. Was George Floyd's twenty
counterfeit or not? Because they never told us to mel Rice,

(03:07:58):
I watched him get shot. I watched Oscar Grant get shot.
I watched marill Woods get shot. We've been watching black
men get shot on TV, and now they want us
to react in a particular way when one of their
own shoots one of their own, and then the country's

(03:08:19):
racism turns on black people and they want us somehow
to take responsibility for white on white violence. This is
the sickness of racism in America. And again we've been
watching young black men be shot and die on Facebook
and die on Instagram, and don't nobody have no big funerals.

(03:08:40):
Don't nobody the Yankees. I was so disgusted. I've been
a Yankee say all my life, the Yankee stopped all
these you know, corporations are a paying tribute to a
man who Again, you can disagree with Martin Luther King.
You can criticize Martin Luther King, Martin Luther King. Ain't

(03:09:01):
no God that a white man can't criticize. Ain't nothing
wrong with criticizing black women. You don't criticize a black
woman if you want, if it's legitimate. There's nothing wrong
with disagreeing with a policy position if you want. But
what he did was as a mediocre white man, act

(03:09:22):
as if he had Oxford THHD and he was going
to teach us of ignorant masses what it means to
be superior. And the tragedy is this boy couldn't graduate
from a junior.

Speaker 2 (03:09:39):
College, right and hold that thought right there, Doc, We've
got to cut it there and time is But thank
you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. People
says you're cooking all kinds of reports that they enjoyed
the conversation. But thank you, doctor Taylor.

Speaker 7 (03:09:53):
I've been up since five in the morning. Also, they
can reach me at James Taylor sixteen ninety nine on Instagram.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (03:10:00):
All right, thanks doctor Taylor. Family, that's it classes over.
Stay strong, stay pastive, please stay healthy. She you tomorrow morning,
six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB
and in the DMV on FM ninety five point nine
and AM fourteen fifty WOL

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