Dr. James Taylor on Black Maga & Reparations, Coach Powell on Hip-Hop Hypocrisy, & Dr. Turner’s Activism

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with
us again this fourth day of Quansa abari Ghani for
Pan African friends and friends who celebrate Quansa and the
responses Oujama Cooperative Economics. Later, black politics expert doctor James
Taylor will take over our classroom. Doctor Tayl will analyze
the future of Black MAGA now that the polls have

(00:20):
shifted against the entire group. But Doctor Tayl will also
report on San Francisco passing a reparation spill. Before we
hear from doctor Taylor, motivational speaker and author coach Alfred Powell,
we'll discuss his latest book, Hip Hop Hypocrisy When Lies
Sound like the Truth. But to get us started, Momentelly.
In this final week of twenty twenty five, Baltimore doctor

(00:42):
Robert Richard Allen Turner from the Empowerment Temple AME Church
will join us. But first welcome back Kevin Langford to
the classroom and get him open up these classroom doors.
Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, I think you already took
the win out of the sale, but I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Repeat it abari Ghani.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Drama.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's right, cooperative economics, and I just love Quansa. I
love this time of year, and I just see it
as not only is it a community thing, it's a
personal the thing as well. How do you me the
individual practice cooperative economics today? What's your planing, what's your.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Playing, what's planning?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
As always, so you know, we should celebrate before we
get into the details of quans and O Kevin, what
I'm seeing this year, I see I think maybe to me,
but I just see a lot more people participating in
the quans of celebrations. I just see it all over
just I don't know. Maybe it's on social media because
now were.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Grossing that's what it is. You think that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I believe if that screen, the social media screen,
if you will, is making the world smaller. So you're
seeing people either lighting the candles or doing an actual
celebration and doing the dance or bringing out the various
kinte and mudcloths and sharing the food. And you see

(02:11):
people dancing and celebration of quansa. And it's because of
the proliferation if that's a good word, of Kwanza, and
of the use of social media. That's what I think
it is. It's just making the world smaller.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, but it seems like more people not just stateside,
but overseas too, celebrating Quansa. People are like, well, what
is quanza? What is Quansa? You're right, because of the internet.
The internet has made the world smaller. So they've seen
all these celebrations and people are picking up on them
across the world. Black people will cross from and say, hey, Kuanzo,
this looks good. And you know, they started to embrace

(02:48):
the seven principles.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Right, and you're getting people that are going, they're serious
about that.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It really is a holiday.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
And that's the thing. Is it a holiday or a celebration?
Because you know we're doctor Krengo, oh yeah the last
week where you were gone, and some people say it's
a celebration, and he reemphasized it's not an alternative to
christian It's Christmas. You can celebrate Christmas and it can
also celebrate Kwansa.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I see it as an extension of Christmas myself
to e you know, in my humble opinion, Christmas puts
you in that spirit of celebration and then once it's over.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Then Kwanza takes advantage.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
If you will, of that spirit, and then you begin
to study, you know, what is it like, what does
it feel like, what does it mean? And even saying
happy Kwanza to people that look at you like huh oh.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah it is Kwansa.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
You know, you become the educator as well, or become
the educated is the way. I also see the traditions
of Quansa besides just watching the dancing or watching the ceremonies,
but also being a conduit of the spirit of kuans.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, here's I see, Kevin, it was cool. Here's our
I see five after the top. They our family just
waking up on this fourth day of Kwanza. How about
Aghani to all our family members and the responsibility Ujama
cooperative economist Kevin wants to get into that. But here's
the deal. Here's oh, I see. Christmas is just one day,
and it seems like leading up to Christmas. A few
days before Christmas, people are really you know, the spirit

(04:22):
have changed. All that negative energy sort of disappears. Now
right after Christmas, man, the people pull down the trees.
The trees are on the sidewalks. The next day you're
there on the side of well, they don't even wait
for the New Year's and all that, all that that
good will seems to have dissipidated. You know, it's just gone.
But quans Will lasts for seven days and we try
to extend it throughout the year. And I think that's

(04:43):
one of the major differences. The Quansa lays out a
roadmap for you to do well Christmas. You celebrate the
birth of Jesus Christ, well kuans are celebrated. Here's what
you should do. You should embrace these seven principles, not
just on these particular days, but throughout the year.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm not sure about the taking down on the Christmas
decorations traditionally, as you're putting it.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I think I've seen some of my neighbor already on
the sidewalk.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
But go ahead, okay, you know, yeah there are people,
I suppose, but I'm thinking, because you know, some people
put the Quansa decoration. I actually have a Kwanza tree decoration,
and I think some people put that on the tree.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Make that all a part of it.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
But that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, Like I said, I see Kansa as an extension
of Christmas. You know, you would you were too late
to get the Christmas gift in so you you know, Kwansa,
you're giving gifts every day.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
It's you know, seven days.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
You know, it should be educational, a book perhaps or
something story to share, and maybe the fruits and of
course the lighting of the candles of course every day
as you alternate back and forth on each side of
the manure, and so you which is the candle holder?

(06:11):
And and and so you continue that with the decoration.
And those who tossed the tree out, maybe they're making
room for Quansa.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
You thought about that could be could be yeah, you know,
something that you see but.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
You know, and Baba Lamuma, Kevin Baba Lamima mentions that
the quants is something that we have for our own,
you know. And he keeps saying that all time. And
now when the time has come, now understand what he's
talking about. This is something that black people uniquely have,
you know, this is we don't share it with anybody.
This is ours, it's uniquely ours. This this is this

(06:49):
is what he says, we should rally around. I said, oh,
now I understand what he was saying. But when he
was saying it, you couldn't really grasp it until Quanza
came around, then you understand what what Baba Loon was saying.
This is something that we as black people have for ourselves.
You know, this is ours. This this is something we
can coalless around. And I agree with him wholeheartedly.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, and it's almost it can be a microcosm of
our community as well, because they're some who celebrate, some
who don't, some who know it exists, and some who don't.
And so then there's that whole responsibility. And like I said,
today's principle of yu Jama cooperative economics. We build and

(07:29):
maintain stores, our own shops, our own businesses, and profit
from all of that together.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
And that is if even though brother.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Jones store is being supported and he's the one with
the profit, we profit by helping Brother Jones push.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
His store forward. And I see it that way as well.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Even even some places where you live, if that community
is predominantly black community, you can share that principle of Kwansa.
You know, even if you're on a bus, I'm not
saying get on and you know, start a speech, rally
or or singing the.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Song you know, happy Kwanza. You know you're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
But but the fact that it is a collective makes
you look at your community, I think in an entirely
different way. The symbol of your jama is the two
interlocking half circles, if you can imagine that, Like say
you put your four fingers together and your thumbs together,
and that's like the half circle, and it's the symbol

(08:35):
of togetherness and family.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, you're still there.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, of course, I'm just absorbing what you what you're saying,
you know, you know, so I'm just listening to what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's like we're sharing the wealth, you see, commitment to
practice that shared social wealth and h the necessary to
achieve the principal called u jama familyhood you see, and
and so uh you can see.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
I've been observing it a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
And when I was younger, I used to actually go
to some of the events around in the community where
you know, they're playing the drums and lighting the incense
and you could see the lighting of the candle as
a big tradition and you know, children dancing, people playing drums.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I haven't been to one live.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
In a long time though, but it's something to behold.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
I'll share.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
This is when I first heard about quans I had nothing.
I didn't know anything about Quantita. She is in the seventies.
And some friends of mine, some in La, some progressive
friends of mine, invited me to this, this Quanda celebration.
I said, what is quanta and they said, well, come
along and you'll see. And they were lighting the first
It was the first day of Quansa, and so for
many of us who were tended that particular this was
somebody's house.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
By the way.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
The person who put it on was explaining Quansa. There's
the seven principles, then guzasbeign, you know, the whole nine yards,
and telling them about Kwansa. And I found it interesting,
especially the gifts part, because you know, people they said,
don't you don't you don't have to buy go out
and get Christmas presents you want to bring, right, it's
just you know, it can bring some fruit or bring
a book or something, but nothing exorbitant. You don't have

(10:19):
and you don't. You don't have to bring anything. Just
bring yourself. That's what they said, you know, just bring yourself.
So that was interesting. I'm like, wow, this is really interesting.
And over the years I've seen it developed. That's why
I said, for me, Back then, not too many people
were celebrating Kwansa, and it was years after before we
hooked up with doctor Krenga to explain how it came
all about. But when I see it now, worldwide, the

(10:41):
black people all across the planet this time of the
year is celebrating Quansa. Even some churches are celebrating Quantsa
as well.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Kevin, Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. When I first
started observing Kwansa, it did. Celebrations were being held in
the churches, and you know, and you would prepare your
family to I don't know if it was something as
light as putting on a datchiki or a can't take
cloth around your neck like Mary and Barry used to

(11:11):
do something like that, just to show the solidarity in
the celebration of Kwanza, which happens from December twenty sixth
all the way to January first. So we're getting close
to the end of Kwanza, and this being you know
yu Jama, right, yujama, that's how you put.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
It, right, the fourth day, the fourth day, And let
me just just just you know, tell people about and
the seventh Principles, by the way, is called it google
Saba and all this is a doctor Krenger explained to
us why he used swey keith swy us. They say,
but I'll just give you the English term. So the
first one is unity, then self determination number two, collective
work and response with number three, cooperative economics number four,

(11:55):
purpose number five, creativity number six and faith Imani that's
the last one and simple and explain why you start
with unity because we are unity. Uh, you know, we
have nothing. You know, first we got to you unify.
We've got to come together. And that's one of the
things that Quaza talks about. So all these other folks
who don't want to get together with black folks, they

(12:15):
don't want to unify. I guess it's it's a challenge
for them to celebrate Kwanza because that's the very first
thing you gotta do. You gotta unify. You've got to
stop fighting against each other's, stop putting each other down.
Gotta unify. And that's and that's where it starts and
it ends with faith. You gotta have faith that all
those the other principles that you embraced, that during the
week we work and make a change on you, on

(12:37):
you personally, on your character. Kevin's was probatory to doctor
Allen on the phone fourteen half the top, they our family,
we're coming up Kevin's back of us this morning. We
start off talking about Kwanza. So Bari ganney if you're
just waking up, and again abari Ghana is what's the
news or eron our vernacular would be what's up, man,

(12:57):
what's going on? What's happening? Well, doctor also did a
whole bit on that. Why we always say if you
know what said brothers always Kevin will say, hey, man,
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (13:05):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
We're all asking that question. So those of you were
in class when Dr Welson will saying if you can
recall exactly precisely what she meant, while we were always
saying that as black people, what's going on? Man, Hey,
what's happening? What's good? Or now that was just what's good.
It's all good, it's good, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
But it works better when you use that's why words
as well. You know, part of the education of it,
and it separates, like I said, it separates and and
makes it our own and you know, and it also
becomes a teaching opportunity and the colors red, black and green,
the Marcus Garvey colors or is that with something doctor

(13:44):
Kringa chose because I forgot what he said about that,
because we.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, he adopted those colors. Those the colors of those
are the red, black and green, and of course we
know what the colors stand for, the red, black and
green and instead of red, white and blue. I think
and this is I think. This is another reason why
my brother Baba Lamuma and those of you who've listened
to this program, we've heard Babla la Mumba. He's one
of the grills who works out of Moja House in Washington, DC.
Is a council of elders there and they have these
great discussions amongst themselves. Then Baba la Mumba comes on

(14:11):
the radium presents them to us because it makes you think.
You know, that's all we ask in folks have an
open mind. Just just think about certain things because we've
been reared to think one way. And sometimes some of
the things that we hear challenges our perceptions that we've
had for life long with our parents have told us.
So since our parents told you, you know, we think
it's gospel. Or even when some people that you give

(14:34):
credibility thing say. You know, it might be somebody you
think well of and they say something, but it might
be totally wrong, but you cannot keep you know, embracing
it once you hear the truth, once you they keep
telling the sky is green, and then somebody else proved empirical,
prove that the sky is blue. Don't cling to the
sky is green or whatever it is. You just have

(14:55):
an open minds. Even even if that person was a professor,
you probably know everything and at least yeah, and at
this day and age, it's a lot easier because she
can just google stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
And I think that's also part of hujama, the collective work,
I mean cooperative economics right, And also a part of
that is generosity. So listening, I think is a way
to be generous to someone else, even though they may
be talking pie in the sky and you may not agree,

(15:27):
at least give them a chance to express themselves. I
think expression is rare. And the ability to listen, you know,
that's why we've been given two ears in one mouth.
The ability to listen is a gift that you can
give someone, even if they're on a tangent. Yes, sometimes
of being a Round family can be like that, but

(15:51):
that generosity helps you calm down a little bit and
not just wait so you can answer, you know, and
say what No, you can say, you can say happy
Cornza and we've got to get our promotional considerations in.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Thanks all right, Kay, let's take the break seventeen half
the top the family. You want to join this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
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after this break, which next and Grand Rising Family, thanks
for waking up with us on this last Monday of
twenty twenty five. Joined us right now as our guest,
the doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment Temple Amy

(16:26):
Church in Baltimore, Grand Rising, Doctor Turner, I know you've
got some health concerns here, but you're still with us,
Grand Rising, welcome to the program.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Thank you so much having me, Brother Nelson.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I got to ask you this though, before we you
homped on, we were talking about Kwanza. Is this something
that you celebrate at Empowerment Temple?

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yeah, I'm sad just let I went to the Ubay Sir,
had a wonderful time what the what the wounds were
production I did a great.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
Great job explaining quads as principles to everybody, both you
are and all.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, And I was telling Kevin too, doctor Turner, that
I think this year it's it's sort of exploded. Maybe
because the Internet has made the world so much smaller.
People will see people celebrating quansa and it usually just
be in the major cities, but even in small towns,
even across the waters, people are celebrating quansah. Do you
is that just a feeling or do you see that

(17:26):
as well?

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (17:27):
Yes, I've seen that, and I think that's part of
the growth of our people as we seek to learn
more about our own history and our own culture, we
are taking more with more of us taking part in
quaans of celebrations.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
So yes, I see that a lot as I travel
throughout the country.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Do you do you have to explain to your your
congregation that the quansa is not a substitute for Christianity
or for Christmas.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
No, actually, I don't. One of the good things about
being in Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
Is that there's a certain level of intelligence as it
relates to black people in black culture that you have.

Speaker 8 (18:02):
That you don't.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Some certain things you just don't have to say as
much because they understand it's it's more of a cultural
holiday than a religious or even political one.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well, that's good that people can define the differences. But
let's talk about you. You've been you've been on and
you've been on a monthly trek to Washington, d C.
You're walking from Baltimore to Washington, d C. I hope
you don't you feel much better before you do that
journey next year. But you've been doing that on a
monthly basis. And it's it's cold out there and it's
gonna get colder as well. Uh, can you explain to

(18:37):
the audience, those who are listening to you, to us
for the first time, hearing you for the first time,
why you took on this task?

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Yes, and it is. My next one is gonna be
on Malter King Holiday, Monday King Holiday, and so every
month now and that one will be my fortieth walk.
Can you believe, brother Nelson, this my fortieth walk from
Baltimore Carroll Park, actually Carroll Park Route one, Washington Buggard

(19:10):
all the way through Baltimore County, all the way through
Howard County, ELK Ridge, Laurel, North Laurel, Prince George's County, Beltville, Hyattsville,
all the way to Washington, d C. In PG County,

(19:30):
the road same road Route one turns into Baltimore Avenue.
In Baltimore, it's called Washington Boulevard. But then PG County
it turns into Baltimore Avenue. And when I get into DC,
same road turns into Rhode Island. And I've been doing
this now for thirty nine It'll be forty next month,

(19:53):
consecutive months, having taken a month off to raise awareness
for our calls, our people. We're called for reparations. And
while I've been doing this, man, God has been working
in a marvelous unanimous way throughout the country and world
only as it relates to the issue of reparations. We've

(20:15):
seen since I've been doing this walk. We've seen states
past Reparations Commission. We've seen our own state, Maryland, thanks
to the generman semblings of the override vote pass and
then repassed over turn be told for Reparations Commission here
in Maryland. And we've also seen the Hipocristy of America

(20:38):
come full front, come full frontal just recently this past
year with the President saying he should be repaired for
what the Justice Department did to him, and just recently
his Office of EOC sending a letter out to white
men saying they are eligible for compensation for reverse racism

(21:02):
and gender discriminations. So we've seen the hypocrisy of America,
but we've also seen the bright shining light of what
happens when people are adamant about their rights and so,
and that's.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
The purpose of this walk.

Speaker 7 (21:17):
It's a spiritual pyrami, but also calling for physical and
political manifestation in that since in the last thirty nine months,
these are the things that God has revealed to this nation.
And I'm thankful to just be a witness in that
and to be one that is trying to sound the

(21:38):
along in this way.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, you are shining to be alarm. At twenty six
after the top of the Thatllany's final Monday of twenty
twenty five, I guess is doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner
from Empowerment Temple AME Church in Baltimore. As you mentioned,
a march is from Baltimore, Baltimore City to Washington, DC
every month to underscore the need for reparations and later

(22:01):
this morning, we're gonna hear from doctor Taylor. Doctor James
Taylor is a black politics expert, and he says, the
city of San Francisco, Uh, the city council passed the
reparations bill and the mayor actually signed it. So San
Francisco is on on the list now of cities that
have of you know, supporting reparations.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
So just to let you know that those walks that
you take in those cold mornings h every every month,
and not in vain. It's it's reverberating around the country
and around the world. People are understanding what reparations is
and they see a person like yourself. You didn't have
to do this, so tell us why why? Why did you?

Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
This is why this? You made this your slice of
the pie, if you will.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
It's really all divine, just being inspired by God. And
it built on the word that I was doing in Tulsa.
Oh by God, it's great. Every week I would go
out to Stay Hall for three years in a row,
every single week, caring for the city to repair for
the damage it did in the Tulsa race massacre of

(23:04):
nineteen twenty one. And that brought some political results for
our left. I was able to serve on the mass
grave public osc community that I called for when I
mentioned to the maw of the city and the church
our pastor. We started, but well we restarted the losses
for the toast Race Masca. Now the survivors, we only

(23:28):
have one lesson now and serve that they're still on
the case. Unfortunately in Oklahoma Supreme Court did not see
that our way. But I want to just thank you,
brother Nelson for shining the light on this walk, because
we are the people really don't do as well a

(23:49):
job in highlighting the work that we do. I'm thankful.
I'm from Alabama. I'm thankful that most recently I found
out about monks who walk from Texas.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
And going to DC. And you have a lot of
us putting and posting that on our page, which is great,
which is wonderful. But they have a we have a
brother who's been doing these walks for now forty times
next week that we don't really highlight. So it's sad.
Sometimes we can highlight the work of others for peace,

(24:25):
which is great. I support them. I may try to
join them when they come to DC.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
But well, hopefully we haven't lost to doctor Turner. Sounds
like it's a line dropt, Kevin, see if you can
get it back for us twenty nine minutes after the
top of our family just joined us. I guess the
doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Empowerment Temple Ame Church
in Baltimore and what he does, family, each and every month,

(24:51):
he makes that track from Washington, from Baltimore City to Washington,
d C. To underscore the need for reparations. And he's
doing it, whether he be a summer, spring, winter fall,
he's there. And as you mentioned, this next trip is
going to be next month on doctor King's holiday weekend.
So those of you who will asking me if oh
he's back, So doctor Orry, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Then tell us.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
If tell a family if they can join you on
some of these walks, you know, if they don't have
to do the whole journey, if they can meet up
with you wherever they live between here and Baltimore, they
can jump in and help you walking. You'll give you
some inspiration along the way.

Speaker 7 (25:29):
Yes, so along the way they can meet us at
any point. Honestly, people come throughout the walk. Thank you
for asking that question, I was gonna say, thank you
for highlighting this, because sometimes we don't highlight the work
that we do as community, as black people. And that's
the whole going back to Kansas Ujama, that cooperative economics.

(25:51):
We don't cooperate well with each other unfortunately. So I'm
happy I celebrate kausas to highlight how we need to
do that. But yes, during the world, people can join
me anytime throughout one starting at Carroll Park across from
Burger King that people join us there. Also we are
joined throughout the walk at various stops that we make,

(26:13):
even if it's not a stop, if you can have
somebody to come and drop you off there. And the
thing is once we start walking, though, you don't have
to walk the whole way because we have escorts cars
who escort us along the way. So in any moment
you feel tired, I want to relieve yourself, you can.
The only thing is unless you have a ride coming

(26:34):
to pick you up. Then everyone who is who's walking
with us or who is accompanying us, we all go
to DC together and we get driven back to our
variers destinations. That's that's the Unless you've made arrangements, and
there are public transit options along the walk if you
want to be picked up. But I've had to come

(26:56):
to walk a couple of blocks just how to solidare
to with the cause and the issue and leave which
is perfectly signed, which is I would rather than do that.
They're not come at all, you know, and because every
every person that joins is a moral booster or for
those who can't walk at all because of health concerns,

(27:16):
we have people who along the route just cheer us on,
similar to what you see in a marathon. People just
come and cheer us on. And I post I post
on my social media our whereabouts during the walk, so
you would know approximately where we will be approaching before
we get there by what I post. My social media

(27:39):
handle on on Facebook is my first last name, Robert
Turner on Instagram is R E V D R Robert
Turner Rev. Doctor Robert Turner. And I do also have
a YouTube channel which is Robert Turner Ministries.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know, at some point we'd love to have be
able to have this done a lot, you know, the
whole journey and the people could you know, We've got
our techers out there who can just jump on and
follow you and and you know, just record the whole
thing and so the people around the world can watch
you do this this march. I think that's the next step.
We need to get our techs involved. And I'm sure

(28:16):
you've got the folks at the church who would do
that kind of stuff and and you know, and they
can jump in and because I think it's important to
underscore what you were doing. This is a personal journey
for you, but but it reflects the moves and the
inspiration and the needyness of reparations because some people think,
because of the political climate these days, that uh, we're

(28:39):
never gonna get reparations, and reparations is a dead issue,
which would you know, we should try to figure about survival.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
What do you say to those folks.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
I'd say that we could have said that we have
the people could have said if we did the same
thing about integration. When doctor King, inspired by Rosa Parks,
led the Montgomery bus boycott, the goal then were integrating

(29:10):
the Montgomery buses. We could have said that, well, we're
never gonna get this. This has been in place for
too long. Nobody is going to support us. We could
have said the same thing as it relates to our
black wall streets across the country. Well, they're not gonna
let us have this. They're not gonna let us do that.

(29:30):
And when they bombs, they show us what they We're
not gonna let us do. We rebuilt our black wall
streets and up until the building goes the ends, they highways,
they were thriving and they're prospering. We could have said
the same thing during enslavement, chattel enslavement. We've been enslaved
for this long. They're not gonna let us be free.

(29:51):
But no people Maryland are such as Harriet Tupman and
Freddie Douglas's fault and said, well, we would not tolerate
nor accept. So I think that in every generation they
are people that they're not everybody, but in every generation
they are people that doesn't just take what's given by
the oppress. They that they demand and they take what

(30:13):
they deserve. And I pray for more of those people
and call on them to call and walk with us
to DC to take what's ours.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
All Right, I'm looking at twenty five away from the
top there. I just got a tweet for you. I'm
trying to find a tweet. I just think of just
a lasting Okay, it's a tweeter said, Oh, this is
the tweet just says what should we do to survive
in twenty twenty six and how can reparations, the quest
for reparations help us.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
Yeah, I think the twenty and twenty six and continuation
twenty twenty five. I'm not gonna be one of these
prosperity gospel preachers and telling us that everything's gonna be
signed in twenty six because everything was not fined in
twenty twenty five and twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
They won.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
They won the President sign and executive order to dismantle
DEI efforts across the country that were put in the
place in response to George Floyd. And after that, we
saw hundreds of corporations, including Target, including Amazon, including McDonald's
white clean their DI programs. We saw four hundred universities

(31:21):
of white claim their DI programs. This year twenty twenty five,
we saw this president take an attack on black leadership,
particularly though black women as he saw it. As he
tried to fire used to cook from the Fair Reserve,
as he got rid of us of the Willclox from
the National Labor Relations Board, as he attacked. Fanny Willis

(31:43):
out of the Forest County day and Georgia and Chis
James and turning generals from New York. We saw this president,
this manager of the Department of Education.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Right and hold I thought right there at doctor Tenner.
We got to check the news and then we'll come
and I'll let you finish your thought of Mark in
Baltimore has a question for you. Family, YouTube can join
our conversations Monday morning. Reach out to us at eight
hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls. After the news. It's next
and grand Rising family and how about it Ghani and
the response to Hujahma Cooperative Economics is the fourth day

(32:15):
of Quanta. A guest is doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner.
He's with the Empowerment Temple Ame Church. He's pastor of
that church in Baltimore, Maryland, and he makes a monthly
track to Washington, DC on foot from Baltimore to underscore
the need for reparations. Before we go back to him,
element just remind you. Coming up later this morning, we're
got to hear from black politics expert doctor James Taylor

(32:36):
before we hear from doctor Taylor, to hear from a
motivational speaker and authored coach Butch Powell. He's going to
talk about his latest book, Hip Hop Hypocrisy and When
the Lies Sound Like the Truth, a lot of response
to what Nicki Minaj is going through doing and Snoop
He's going to talk about all about that. He's coming
up this morning. Late this week, you're gonna hear from
Grill professor James Small, also Public Enemy is Professor Griff

(32:59):
and Afghanistan critical thinking expert doctor David Hornibeer as well.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep
you ready, locked in tight on ten ten WLB, wait
for in the DMV family around fourteen fifty w L.
All right, doctor Turner, I'm gonna let you finish your
thought that Mark in Baltimore has a question for you.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Oh no, I'm just saying that everything that we uncounted
in twenty twenty five, we were building up muscles to
fight and to be strong, and we're gonna have to
use those muscles in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well said sixteen away from the top of us, I
mentioned Mark's waiting for us. He's in Baltimore on Lane
one Grand Rise in Mark and I'm about ay Ghani.
I'm with doctor Turner.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Hey, great rise you guys a bar Ghani And you know,
doctor Turner, I want to thank you, you know, for
having that, you know, the vision to to do what
you do. Man. You know, I know that can't be easy.
You know, I live in Baltimore and I do drive
the DC. You know what I man, But uh, that's
great and I want to ask you too.

Speaker 8 (34:01):
You you you do what you call.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
Uh what Martin Luther King used to call. Uh, I
mean not Martin Luther King, but the President Barack Obama
used to call. He said, we can walk into gum
at the same time. So you also host a lot
of youth forums here and I mean the Baltimore You know,
we are us and and different people. And I appreciate
you for doing that because have you talked to our governor, uh,

(34:31):
the only black governor in the United States who I
think is to be reelected. Have you talked to him
about why he was against the commission not reparation because
he's the young man's a solution oriented person. He said,
let's you know, let's get things done. Let's stop talking
about it. And have you talked to uh Have you

(34:52):
talked to uh a Van mister a Van at the
boys school about them getting ready to close the boys
school and the number one one killed of our young
boys and in Baltimore's murder? Have you talked either one
or both of them? First of all, thank you brother
for highlighting the work that we are as does. They

(35:13):
are one of my.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
Most favorite organizations in the whole country what they do,
and I think a lot of it has been seen
in the drop in homicide I say in Baltimore and
the focus on the youth for great works that they do,
and I'll always there to be a partner with them.
I have taught with the governor about reparations and these

(35:37):
fans on that, and a lot of that was public.
I don't really get into personal conversations and exposing them publicly,
but I have much much respect for Governor Moore, continue
to have much respect to go to more as far
as his brother Aman. I am so terriful sorry to

(35:58):
hear about this school and we think thank for bringing
it up on this show. We have a people speaking
of Aujama. We need to be more in line of
heaving out each other to make sure especially when as
it elects to our children. But we do all we
can to make sure they have the education opportunities that

(36:19):
they need in order to succeed. I seek that would
be an indictment on us, especially if we allow something
like this to happen without any type of support. So
I do stands of the schools and thank you for
mentioning on the show so everybody else can hear about it.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
All right, thanks Mark. Thirteen away from the top of down,
Doctor Tony say, your next track is going to be
on is actually on King's Birthday holiday or in the
holiday day celebrated on the weekend. What's exactly what.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
The holiday is? On January nineteenth?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Okay, that's that Monday the nineteenth. What time do you start?

Speaker 6 (37:05):
I started five twenty six am.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
And how long does it take you to get to DC.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Depending on the weather, And honestly, the cold of the
weather is the harder. So with this being arguably MLK
is one of the most coldest.

Speaker 9 (37:23):
Day of year.

Speaker 7 (37:23):
Last year I walked during the MLK Day. It was
also the President Operation Day when the Proud Boys were
in town, and that was it was freeze. It was
freezing cold. So it took me about eighteen hours because
you walking on that white ice, you know, you know,
you card to see it, and it's it's easy to
slip in the fall. What I did in Decimber was

(37:46):
I had a delayed start time because of the ice.
I may do that again this coming up walk. It
started starting. So when I have a delayed start time,
instead of starting it started twenty six, I missed at
six or seven, twenty six.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Oh yeah, your health comes first, so you know you
can't out there in that black ice in the dark.
The people, the people from the church or people just
from the community that they are they with you in
the mornings to get you started, to get.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
You going, yeah literally or not.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
Man, I have almost more equally, there's not more people
from the community doing these walks than I do from
the church. It's incredible, how I mean, that's why I
love this area. How people when they find out about it,
they come and support in some way. Right, even if
they can't walk the whole way, they'll come and support.

(38:39):
May bring me some hot tea to keep my body
warm doing these cold winter monks.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
So yeah, I do have people from the church come.
I thank god Imparmer Temple. But we have more people
come throughout the whole walk that never stepped foot inside
the church, and a lot of them may even go
to church, but they believe in this cause.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Well that's good.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I'm happy to hear that, because, you know, because of
the political climate these days, people think that reparations is
just not you know, just not something that we can
even discuss. You know, because if we know, the folks
that don't like us, let alone, one of the things,
they despises us getting anything, even if even if we
do deserve it, they don't think that we should get it.

(39:25):
So I'm glad that you're getting to some support from
the groundsroots part of the community. But having said that,
you know, just think about this walk that you do.
Do you lose weight or is that is that you know?
Doing this walk?

Speaker 6 (39:39):
Every walk, bro, I lose ten thousand calories. I burn
ten thousand calories. Now my problem has been I gained
it right back because I eat the next day. But yeah,
you can't lose a loss of the five six pounds
per walk.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Oh wow, Yeah, that's that's noticeable. But but what did
you what does your family say about this? What do
they say do they are they encouraging her? I say,
you know, all right, you've proven your point. Now stay home.
We want you to stay with us. We want to
want you to preserve your health. Or they say, dad,
her husband keep going. You know what are they saying?

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Well, my parents are not that excited about it, right then?
My mom? Everyone actually is the last one, this last
one my daddy and he's not just did my doctors
they tell me I'm not doing my body any favors.
My boys actually want to come out with me sometimes,
but it's a safe reasons. I don't know, it's not

(40:38):
Ain't there mostly in school doing the work, so it
is it is not for the same or l It.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is not just the reality of doing it. But one
year you also went to the the the museum, the
African American History Museum in d C. Could you tell
us about why you've made a two stop journey that
particular year.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Yeah, so I've done that to the Smithson We called
the Blackstonians several times now and once the president this year,
the President has tried to whitewash American history and also
called for the uh taking away of certain exhibits impossible
funding front of Blackstonian.

Speaker 7 (41:24):
For I and others felt it was that it'd be
very important to to highlight the great work that the
Blacksonian does and joining pastors such as Old Marvel Third
Our Chicago and encouraging our membership to sign up as
members of the Blacksonian, which Empowerment Temple now as a member,

(41:46):
uh and I personally am a member of the Blacksonian Museum.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Ate away from the top of our Doctor Turner, doctor
Robert Richard Allen Turner from the empower Temple Baptist Church family,
and he makes a month walk from Baltimore to Washington,
d C. To unscore the need for reparations. Are you
getting a lot of support from black media? I know
we put you on all the time, but what about
the other folks, the newspapers in the area, television stations

(42:12):
and the folks who've got podcasts? Are they embracing your walk?
Are they helping you to publicize what you're doing?

Speaker 7 (42:20):
Nobody does what you do, by the nuts, and I
want to thank God for you. I have been in
print of the AFRO and I have been on Roland
Martin's show. But that's pretty much it, I believe as relates.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
To black media.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Oh, well, okay, my fellow media analysts out there and
pick up the baton now. We need you to get
this message across to our people that there's a person
by the name of doctor Robert Richard Allen that makes
a monthly track on foot. It doesn't matter what the
season is, he's still doing it to underscore the need
for reparations because and I keep mentioning the reason why
I asked that because you know, right now, uh, the

(43:00):
political climate in the country is not recepted to talking
about black people getting reparations. Let's be real about that.
That's the last thing they want to talk about. And
people don't think with this particular person in the White House,
so we're ever going to achieve reparation. Reparations the last
thing that's on his mind. So, having said all of that, though,
doctor Turner, what keeps you going? What keeps you knowing
that you know it's not probably won't happen with this

(43:25):
particular person in the White House. But what keeps you
going knowing that my.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
Faith and my love my people. Honestly, that's when I'm walking.
My faith is what motivates and inspires me, and also
the love half our people. The want us to get
this justice that we deserve.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
So I do.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
I did it on the Biden, I am told so
I did it on my Obama and BIB and now
I'm doing it. I'm a Trump and I will continue
to do it because to me, it's not so much
about the position, but it's about the how the position
holes in color speaking the truth to their power of demanding,

(44:06):
demanding that we get our justice.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
I got to ask you this question five away from
the top of every doctor Robert Richard Allen turning the
doctor turned. I spoken to Ralph Abernathy and Andy Young
about when they were marching it during the South and
did Gregory as well, and asked them what they did
because there's sometimes they're marching, there's nobody on the streets,
they're all by themselves, and that they all had songs
that they adopted and I was just not singing we

(44:31):
Shall Overcome that they sang a lot of Curtis Mayfield songs.
You know, we're a winner. Yeah, So I just wondered,
do you do you have that same issue? Do you
have some songs that you keep in your head or
music did you play to keep you your spirits high
when you're walking.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
Yes, of course I do the Gospels and you know
those old anthems and even know hymns. But uh, every
now and then I will put on well, you know
what the young folks called trap music, because around music
to keep keep my body, keep my body energized. Doing
the wrong hard walks, yes, and especially when you got

(45:07):
people yelling and shouting obscenities towards you while you're walking,
you gotta have something to tune it out from.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
The walks. And I've been hate before to doing the walk.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Really, yeah, I did not know that. I didn't know
that that part of the the I thought people just
ignored you. But listen, we'll come up on a break.
We're gonna check the traffic and weather in our different cities.
So when we come back, though, tell us what what
particular area that you get heckled or people are, you know,
throwing things at you and yelling obscenities. What particular area
it is. Because that's the case, then we need to

(45:43):
get our family members out there, but anywhere from the
track from from Baltimore City, Washington, d C. Because I
know we've got we've got brothers and ancestors out there
who can make sure that you you were well protected
during this this this walk that you do monthly walk
for reparation. Finally, what are your thoughts you want to
join thisation with? I guess doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner
three minutes away from the top of the I reach

(46:04):
out to us at eight hundred four to five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.
After the trafficking weather, li'sten next and grand rising family
and about it Ghani on this fourth day of Quanta
and your sponsor be Ujama Cooperative Economics. Our guest is
doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Baltimore's Empowerment Temple AME
Church and he walks every month from Baltimore City to Washington,

(46:27):
d C. On the score of reparations and momentary, we're
going to speak with coach and motivational speaker Alfred Powell.
Coach Powell join us, but let's finish up with doctor Turner. So,
doctor Turner, you said during this walk that you can
count people yelling obscenities and probably throwing stuff at you.
Where along the trek does this happen? Can you share
the places the cities that this happens.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
Yes, it typically happens in Howard County and even in
Prince George's County, but estrangs to Howard.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
County, Howard County. All right, family, we know what to do.
Doctor turn is going to take another trip next month
on the King Holiday weekend. He's going to march again
from from Baltimore to DC and we need for you
to come out in strength. So make sure that nothing
happens to this brother. If you're in Howard County or
PG County, we need to make sure that you know
that at least take care of. All you have to

(47:18):
do is show up. As long as they see your
face in the place, they were not going to be
throwing things at this brother or hurling obscenities at him.
So we need for you to show up and I'll
tell you what you do. Let's let's talk again on
that particular date that the remind folks Doctor Turner. You
know that we need to show up and protect you
as you make those journeys for reparations. But before we

(47:40):
let you go, Doctor Turner, how can folks reach you
if they want to support you and want to support
your church and want support because that's not the only
thing you do, Empowerment Temple. So how can people reach you?

Speaker 7 (47:50):
How can we reached social media Instagram handle r e
v D R Robert Turner. I can also reach the
email Pastor Turner at Parmer Temple dot it got you.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Thank you, doctor Terry. I hope you feel better and
thanks for joining us. I know you're not one hundred
percent but playing hurt. As they say in the ball games,
you playing hurt. So we appreciate you.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
All right, family, that's doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from
Empowerment Temple AM Church in Baltimore. All right, let's turn
our attention to our next guests. The first time we've
have it on this particular problem, but it used to
be a regular with us in LA. Coach Alfred Powell,
Coach Powell, Grand Rising, Welcome to the.

Speaker 10 (48:30):
Program, Grant Rising, my brother.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Coach Powell. The first time here on these airways with us.
As I mentioned, a long time used to be with
us back in LA. Why don't you just tell the
folks a little bit of your background, because when we
found out you were a motivational speaker back then you
had had the best selling book, A message in the
bottle the forty eight forty ounce that was the title

(48:55):
of book. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. It's
been a minute. But give us a little bit of
your background first.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
Oh wow, Well, I'm the youngest of thirteen, so long
before being educated. I was being educated from a large household,
originally from the South, lived and raised in the Midwest.
Have an identical twin brother, and my sluggan is I'm
in it to win it. Been married for over forty

(49:22):
years to the same beautiful woman, four beautiful children. When
they act right, I clayed them all. So I am
this is personal for me. On this track of talking
to young people. I coached for thirty eight years, sixteen
state championships in the state of Ohio, number of national
titles in track and field. So I'm doing what I

(49:43):
love to do so much that one day I'm gonna
get a real job because it doesn't feel like work
to me. It's a mission, it's a calling, and I
have accepted it, and so that's who I am. In
a nutshell, refuse to quit trying to go forward with
the message of telling young people they have a purpose.

(50:03):
Don't lose your focus do not fall short of your purpose.
So that's basically brother, I'm just happy to be with
you today. And let me say in advance to apologize
for my articulation about a year and a half removed
from a stroke.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
So last time that we were together, almost.

Speaker 10 (50:24):
Thirty years ago, I had no problem articulating pronouncing our
announcing words. But every once in a while they hit
one of those that I just can't finish, and that's
to tell my audience we're gonna last and move on.
So that's coach, found that's who I am in a nutshell.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
All right, Coach. Yeah, I no apologies, Coach. We understand
because you've been there for our young people for years.
We talked, we don't talk about the book Message in
the Bottle, But what made you write this book? Your
Lady's book? Hip hop? Hypocrisy when the lies sound like
the truth.

Speaker 11 (50:54):
Oh wow.

Speaker 10 (50:56):
It's basically just a continuation of the messages that I
was bringing forth and Message in a Bottle. I've always,
like I said, come from a large family. Parents used
to talking cold, you know, talk over your head. Your
brothers and sisters would be saying some things and they

(51:17):
look at you as the youngest is very snitched. So
they were talking code and so very young. That sort
of shaping my mind of, like, you know what, And
I never knew I would fall in love with psychology
and along with the black culture itself, and so I
just started saying, Wow, a lot of the things that

(51:38):
we were seeing being advertised to our young people in
the era of multi.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Lichorhad Washington area traffic on the web at w o
L I apologize.

Speaker 10 (51:49):
No problem, had Hitten messages as as well as some
of the lyrics back in the day.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
I love music.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
I come from a musical background, but I knew the
power of persuasion and the power of slogans and things
like that. So I started to decode some of those things.
I guess in a nutshell, I just fell in love
with decoding and creating the conversation around what was really
getting sold to our young people and their consumption. And

(52:17):
as a young coach, a couple of my star athletes
felt their physical and I asked the physician what's going
on and he said, man, clinically a lot of your
guys are alcoholics. Like, what sixteen fifteen years old do
you need? And it was, you know, want of talking
to the young guys. Everybody was into this new thing

(52:37):
called forty ounces, and I had to educate myself and
then it just took off from there, and before I
knew it, I've written a book about it, and it
took off. It took a life of its own. So
as a result, long story showed a lot of those
buillboards that you saw in particular communities, particularly black communities.

(52:59):
They started to come down. If my life changed, what
the good, also came the bad, the threats, the slanders,
things like that. So it's a reddle fight, brother, it's
just retal fight.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, but you've held so many young people, coach. I
remember the forty ounce message in the bottle, the forty
ounce scandal, when our young people are embracing the forty ounce.
Before we go to the new book, can you just
tell us what made you speak out about that. You
mentioned that some of your athletes were clinically alcoholics. But
was it was it bad or was it something else?

Speaker 10 (53:34):
It's that little's personal too, coming from a large family
raise in the when my teenage years was in the seventies,
so you know, I got I got some dust on
the wings. But the whole issue of battling addiction was
very personal in my family, even though my father was

(53:55):
I'm a PK. My father's biggest secret was that, you know,
is his demons with alcoholism.

Speaker 8 (54:02):
Then I had.

Speaker 10 (54:03):
Brothers and sisters who are professional entertainers, and it didn't
take long before they were being paid with substances versus
their money. Are they spent their money trying to maintain
the chasing that high, et cetera, et cetera. So I
brought a lot of trauma into my life as a
young person, seeing my brothers and sisters and my father

(54:27):
as well, struggle with his uncles everything, and I mean
on both sides of the family, of my mother's side
of my father said, I said, this cannot just be
the rights of passage for black people only. And so
I've always had an interest and you know, countering addiction

(54:48):
and the influences and the outcomes of those addictions.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Ten halfter the top of that family, I guess it's
Coach Coach Palace, the author of the best selling book
Message in the Bottle of forty scal Handle. Those of
you who have got memories can recall remember they were
pushing the forty ounce of the young brothers. Uh boys
in the hood. I remember that movie. You saw them
with a forty ounce that was that was the typical drink,

(55:13):
the drink of choice for our young people back in
the day. And Coach Powell was sounding the alarm and say, hey,
we don't have to do this, you young brothers, don't
have to drink this forty ounce. There's more to the
just having a delicious beverage, if you will, So Coach Powell,
but you sort of used that and spring god on
onto the hip hop hypocrisy when the lies you say

(55:36):
sound like the truth, and you said that was that
was part of the I guess the trajectory from the
forty ounce the message in the bottle of the forty
ounce scandle uh tell us about the book, explain what
and this is unfamily. You need to hear this because
this is a trap they said for our young people.
Just what they did when they try to push those
forty ounce drinks on our young people. Now they're doing

(55:57):
with the music. So Coach Pom that you explain that, Well.

Speaker 10 (56:00):
It's a script. I came out with message in a
bottle value one in somewhere like ninety five ninety six
and sort of took a license owned in Volume two
and the year two thousand, I was offered all type
of money not to write Volume two. But as I
said then, and I say, now, what people are not

(56:20):
to sell? And then in two thousand, maybe eleven twelve,
I started to springboard into hip hop hypocrisy when large
sound like the truth because the music in it, And
I'm not speaking against hip hop artists per se. I'm
talking about the forces that's behind built. I want to

(56:42):
make sure I'm clear on that, because a lot of
times they try to shape me into being the brother
who doesn't like what their brothers and sisters do with
their talent. No, but I understand when you look at
our history as African people in America, that everything is
a script. If it's not a script, then it's being scripted.

(57:02):
And you're seeing that being act out now with enough
last election and things like that, how particular artists are representing.
Let me sort of say the other side in a sense.
Don't want to make it sound like we only have
one position in politics and things like that, but you know,

(57:23):
like this is still the script. They do it out
of obligations to their contracts and all of those things
that you saw from message in a bottle to hip hoppocrisy,
when lies sound like the truth are continuations. They don't
do it necessarily because they want to. They're doing it.

(57:44):
As the young people say, they're chasing the bag. They're
chasing the bag. And if I tell my audience even
to this day, you can't get the bag from inside
of a body bag. Hint. This stuff will kill you.
Is designed to kill you. Starts with your esteem, your worth,
and your value and everything else goes with that. So

(58:06):
that's that's why I do it, because we're just misinformed.
We're misinformed quite a bit. And people say you believe
in conspiracies, Well I don't. I don't say I believe
in conspiracies, but I don't believe in constants. I don't
believe everything is just a consequence.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
I us.

Speaker 10 (58:22):
You know, it is a script and it is repeated
from generation to generation. So there's nothing new under the sun.
So that's that's why I do to not push it,
because our young people have to be giving a chance
to live life, not do life. Let me say that again,
but our young people deserve the right to live life,
not serve life in the sense of incarceration. So that's

(58:46):
that's why I do what I do. That's my motivation.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Brothers at fourteen, half that time, A foundly with coach
Coach Pale. Again it's a motivational speakers, especially for our
young people. You used to have them on all the
time to some of our young people are going on
going south on us. And he wrote the book Message
in a Bottle of forty Ounce Scandal, because that was
the drink of choice back then. If some of you
may recall, that was everybody and they did songs about

(59:10):
the forty ounce. But Coach you mentioned that this is
sort of scripted. Is this scripted or is this implied
for our young hip hop artist?

Speaker 10 (59:18):
Well, it's scripted. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.
I've ever studying it all my life. I can like
Message in a Bottle, we sort of predicted what was
coming and boom. I ended up writing hip Hop Hypocrisy
with live sound like the Truth. It definitely came out.

(59:39):
Think about it, think about it, whether you some of
your favorite artists. And I'm not knocking young you, so
don't send me a bunch of emails and text message
just calling me a hater. But when they did what
they did, and the messages that they portrayed, all of
them were centered around what we call the solvy. They

(01:00:00):
fw AV sex, wealth, addictions and violence, fall V and
some of the things that they did and talked about
repeatedly that was spent in your ear music wise and videos.
Things like that led to death and incarceration did have

(01:00:21):
great income outcomes for us, and as a result of that,
those same people now went on to become movie stars
of their own TV shows. Wealth just glory on them
and became the speaking or the mouthpiece for a community
that they helped, They helped to influence and in some

(01:00:44):
cases destroyed. People can't get their lives back. Some of
the decisions that people made things like that. Yeah, part
of it was environmental and some of it was cultural
based in the sense of people wanted to be seen
heard and they were traumatized and no one was dealing
with our trauma. So the trauma recovery coach I had

(01:01:09):
to look for the anteceton or the roots. It's just yes,
more than just music influences. But when we were bobarded
like that, it produced what I call psycho media perpetrator
disorder that is due to the over influence or the
over indulgent and infantry and advice that is negative. So

(01:01:30):
I didn't need to get clear and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Hold I thought right that Coach, we gotta step aside
for a few months. I'll let you finish your thought
when you come back and explain to us how the
internet the role the internet has played, because first of
you came on the scene there was no internet, and
you manage you get the message out, and now there's
the Internet, and then then it also works both ways,
So explain how that impacts what you were trying to do.
Family just joined us. I guess it's Coach Powell. Coach
Palace written a book called Hip Hop Hypocrisy When the

(01:01:54):
lies sound like the truth He saw about some of
my young rappers. What are your thoughts eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and number
to call to speaker Coach. We'll take your phone calls
next and grand Rising family and I Barry Ghani to
you and your response is on the fourth day of
Consers of Gaman Cooperative Economics. Our guess is Coach Powell.
Coach Powell is a motivational speaker and also an author,
and what we do, we've Coach Powell. Whenever our young

(01:02:16):
people seem to go and sound, we could reach for
Coach palells that he can speak to them. He's known
for his best selling books and a Message in a Bottle,
the Forty Ounce Scandal, Volume one and two, and those
days back then. Somebody you may recall if you remember
Boys in the Hood in that movie and all that
time was going on to Jerry curle Air and all
of that. That's trying to push these forty ounces the
drink of choice for our youngsters. And this is what

(01:02:39):
got Coach Powell started, and Coach Powell is followed up
now with a book called Hip Hop Hypocrisy When the
Lies Sound like the truth. So Coach Powell, before let that,
asked you about the Internet, because back there when you
did Message in the Bottle, there was no Internet, but
you still got your message out. And so the question
for me to you now is though with this new

(01:02:59):
with the internet house, the Internet changed what you're trying
to trying to help our young people.

Speaker 10 (01:03:05):
Well, social media is has good and it has bad
like anything else. But the question I have to ask
young people now in my lectures, it has a visiting
profession sometimes what is your social media hygiene? And we
run that value one more time, exactly your social media hygiene.

(01:03:25):
You never seen that or heard how children rather get
expelled from school than give up their cell phones because
the things that they have via social media are unhealthy.
Most of the time, it is unhealthy. And so that
that that ill effect that comes along with poor social

(01:03:47):
media hygiene. Are the Internet things like that we pay
a price for. We pay a price. Well, we look
at the number of hours that are spent on these
devices and takes away the human contact and the expediency
in which negativity is spread like a violence. So there's

(01:04:09):
something to be dealt with. We can't ignore it, and
we have to discuss it without a doubt. So I
ask young people about the social media hygiene and they're
gonna look at you, like what the heck is that
you know? But it's a very real thing that I've
been exploring for the last twenty years. And you can

(01:04:30):
see it. Even when I work with children in the
fifth and sixth grade, their disposition on certain conversations are
so far advanced that it is unhealthy. The images that
they're staying in. Pornography is another lungs a big subject

(01:04:50):
to talk about as it relates to their social media hygiene.
But yeah, we're paying a price for it and a
fright for the cell phones and the internet are raising
our children and that is not the way it's supposed
to be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Twenty three after the time, I'm speaking about the Internet.
The good thing about the Internet we can talk to
people all over the world, and we got and we've
got Paul calling us from the UK is in London,
east of London, to be exactly, and he has a
question for the coach Grant Rising. Paul, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 12 (01:05:23):
Your question for Coach Rising, bubble Quasi and grand Rising
to your guest. I have to apologize, so I didn't
get all the conversation in the interview. I only caught
the part where you talked about he had a book
on our hip hop and that's where I came into
the conversation and I just had to ring in.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
So you know, I still a question.

Speaker 12 (01:05:45):
I would like to get the book, So let me
ask where where do you get the book from?

Speaker 10 (01:05:50):
You can still find it on the internet. They're still available.
I'll go to Amazon and just put in Alfred Coach
Powell and read the books will come up absolutely.

Speaker 12 (01:06:04):
It's the title of the book.

Speaker 10 (01:06:07):
Hip Hop Hypocrisy when I sound like the truth.

Speaker 12 (01:06:14):
That's that's that's an interesting title for me.

Speaker 10 (01:06:16):
And the reason why it's my dres.

Speaker 12 (01:06:19):
Because I I I've been involved in hip hop a
long time. M hm, you know from from Breakbeats. I
used to I was in New York for a while
and I came back to London, came back to England
and I brought back with me Breakbeats at the time.
I've met a lot of the artists, some of the
artists African Bamba, although the controversy surrounds him now DMX,

(01:06:39):
I've met, I've met and I you know, and I
I really reject a lot of the summarizations of hip
hop because my son's a rapper, he went to acting school,
he's a rapper, he's a producer. My brother, he's came
out of the same culture. He's one of the best grafts.

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
Designs in this country.

Speaker 12 (01:07:02):
We've done very well out of it, and none of
us have done the stereotypes people talk about, and none
of us have.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
All my friends were involving it.

Speaker 12 (01:07:08):
So I really find it difficult when I hear all
this so called negative talk of how improp is ruined
this and done that and then this.

Speaker 10 (01:07:16):
So that's just my point. I'll get the.

Speaker 12 (01:07:21):
Book and because I need to write something myself because
I don't think a lot of what I hear is true,
to be.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
Honest with Doud.

Speaker 12 (01:07:28):
But anyways, thanks thanks to all contribution.

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
Well, and that's normally the constant way that the industry
is set up. People think the information is all negative.
It is my job, whether socially or clinically, to explain
the consequences from being bombarded. He said something very interesting
as one of his relatives in the business, and they're

(01:07:54):
an actor, so he missed what we said in the
beginning how some of those things so called hip hop
gainst the subculture, which gainst the rat was the subculture
of hip hop. Hip hop was a very positive entity.
But when we came with this gainst a hip hop,
it was to reshape. It was a shape shifting taking place,

(01:08:16):
to reshape and bombard young people with the image and
a negative message. The good was taken out. That's why
the subtitle was would lie sound like the truth? And
in the book I discussed when it became corporate, how
things were controlled and messages from you reshifted. I met

(01:08:38):
a lot of the entertainers that he talked about. So yeah,
without a doubt, it's a contract. You will follow the
contract or you will pay the consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah, coaching, let me jump in here twenty seven at
the top. They are you sort of predicted some of
the things that we're seeing on the scene. Now some
of these rappers Alice mention the names because that's the
way it's. People can't understand we're talking about it, you know.
And Nicki Minadje a snoop dog and all of a sudden,
when they started out there, they would they had crusades
against what Now they're they're embracing and they've been put

(01:09:11):
on the platform. But you talked about that early, you
predicted this. What did you see that many of us didn't.

Speaker 13 (01:09:18):
That is a script.

Speaker 10 (01:09:20):
It's a script that it's called the psychologists called predictable outcome.
I'm a football coach, a very successful high school football
coach back in my day, and it's no different than
any sport that you played. It's scripted. The best of
those to do the game, they have a script that

(01:09:41):
they follow to predict the outcome as an offensive A
guy myself, I would do certain things on offense to
predict what the defense would do, and then I would
counter what they were doing. That's how the business of
music is. Absolutely it's no different. And I'm not saying
good that are indifferent. There's a consequence from when you're

(01:10:03):
over indulging in a certain message. So even with the caller,
it will have you get offensive defensive if you don't
understand the total purpose of some of those messages. It's
just that simple. You don't have to have a psych degree, sociologists, anthropologists, whatever. Anytime.

(01:10:26):
For example, have you heard this new phenomenal young people
are calling themselves why ends?

Speaker 11 (01:10:32):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
I have not, Oh why ends? Young than the N word.
I don't know what your censorship is, so but yeah,
you know everybody's as a result of drill music drill rap,
which is a Midwest sort of Chicago mentality, everybody talks
about killing somebody or brag about, you know, their relationship

(01:10:54):
with their guns and things like that. Well they got
this tightened. The little young ends are crazy, you know.
On boom boom boom boom so young in I was like,
why would you? As I was doing some of my
HBCUs on tours last year. I'm like, why would you
accept this? This title? Then called a young in? I said,
look at the alphabet? What what letter comes just before

(01:11:15):
the letter in M? But why aren't you celebrating being
a young man? And if they're gonna call you a
young in, why can't you turn around and tell this
that means young Nubian, which is rural too, et cetera.
So I try to use the culture as well, and
so who's that in a room? And decided that the
new turn was gonna be celebrating being a young in words?

(01:11:38):
And what is the purpose of that? That that particular
title itself would definitely have an outcome and it won't
be good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
So what did you show you, though, coach who decided
to come with a young and all that negatives?

Speaker 10 (01:11:55):
Those are executive's decisions. Anything to generate money, and you
get a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:12:01):
Of that money.

Speaker 10 (01:12:02):
As an artist, you got to hope you're selling T shirts,
hats and other things like that, you get a little
of that and you will not reject it because once
that money comes in, get them about your mother a house,
your grandmother a house, your baby mama is a house
or whatever it is.

Speaker 8 (01:12:17):
And you got to keep them.

Speaker 10 (01:12:18):
Payments up by any means nothing there so you will
endorse these products. You endure unhealthy practices, you know. And
now you got to live out the image. And that's
not you. You're an actor, you're an entertainer, but you
just can't have that facade following you. You gotta be

(01:12:39):
about taking someone's life, promoting that, sleeping with a bunch
of women, et cetera, et cetera. And once again, there
are consequences to that.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
You never hear.

Speaker 10 (01:12:50):
Those young brothers are sisters getting up promoting. Well, you do,
some of them, you do, but they say quickly they
have to keep the negative message in front of a
positive message. Cannot have a positive message, per se. And
there are consequences today. We got artists in prisons right
now because they drank the kool aid. It's all on

(01:13:13):
this Thay. They drink the kool aid?

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Right got your coach? Hell that thought there twenty get
away from the top.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
The truth that is calling us from Cleveland is online too.
Grand Rising truth telling you a question for coach Grand Rising.

Speaker 11 (01:13:27):
How you doing, coach? Let me say this, coach you
and Ted again two of the best coaches ever. Man,
not just in Ohio but in the country. Man. Uh so,
just to shout out to y'a'm Ohio dude. Man, so,
I got nothing but loved and respect for you and
Ted Again, y'all been doing it for a while and

(01:13:49):
you've done it excellent.

Speaker 9 (01:13:50):
So they don't even think most.

Speaker 11 (01:13:53):
Most people might A lot of folks may know about you,
but I don't think a lot of them know about
Ted Again.

Speaker 10 (01:13:58):
But again, y'all just to them, used to go he's
the goat. He is the period.

Speaker 11 (01:14:06):
Y'all. Though, I mean, hey, don't take credits from yourself
both of y'all over there, man, I mean, you just
got to take your hats off to both of y'all.
But hey, I wanted just real quick, I wanted to
comment on the hy en Hey, you know, my my
my soul cringe because should do a saying this is
almost used it in the press conference.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Man.

Speaker 11 (01:14:26):
Yeah, he did say why, but he didn't He didn't
say the term, but he did say, Hey, y'all know
what I'm talking about, the why en so and you
were talking to the media and I was like, man,
I hope this dude, don't say that, but he didn't.
He called himself. You caught that? Huh? Did you see that?

Speaker 10 (01:14:42):
Absolutely? My phone was ringing.

Speaker 11 (01:14:48):
And the last thing I got for you this quick question. Well,
I just say this. I agree with y'all on the
hip hop. But only thing I would say is this,
at some point in time, coach, these artists get old
enough to know better. When you forty fifty sixty, your
grandfather and all that, and you're still talking about cripping

(01:15:08):
and something wrong with you, whether it's you got enough money.
At some point in time, when is enough is enough?
You sell your soul that deep. So that's the only
thing I say about that. But the last the question
I really called for with I just wanted your your
your thoughts on this. What you think about the state
of Ohio passing the NIL for the high school players?

(01:15:29):
And then I've been hearing a lot about college players
or NBA players on some NBA rosters going back to
college with NIL deals. How does all that work? And
I take your answers off the air. Thank you, I
appreciate you, Thank you, thank you. Coach.

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
Yeah, yeah, the NIL is nothing new. I mean Kaepernick
showed you in his movie. They put you on the
block they sell you, They sell your strength, your barado,
all those things like that, and when it's overwhel it,
they move on to the next one. It's financial, it's financial.

(01:16:07):
And but look you have Congress and and and basically
wealthy white men said no, no, no, no, We've been
getting that talent for free forever. We have to change
it now. They want to cap it without a doubt.
And the young man who won the case for in
Il just happens to be my great nephew in Ohio

(01:16:29):
from Wayne High School. You rights Wayne High School, So
without a doubt and that and that's nothing new. Your
labor will not be compensated for long. They used to
free labor. That's what capitalism is. And I'm not knocking it.
I'm just telling you the truth and what the research says.
So so we have you know, young athletes fifth sixth

(01:16:53):
grade men examined and looked over for their potential of
their physical a human but not their mental. So yeah,
what happens when you break a leg, you tear an
ankle up, you tear a knee up, et cetera. So
you know it comes and goes without a doubt.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
So it is what it is.

Speaker 10 (01:17:18):
We just need to be educated. You know, you're talking
about fifty year old, sixty year old guys to still
you know, girl reunion tours, you know, to reintroduce that stuff.
I can't knock on people trying to put food on
the table. But my piece is education. Let's educated. If
it's entertainment, then say it's entertainment. But that entertainment without

(01:17:40):
explanation becomes what we call entrainment. You want to do
it because you think you have to do it. It's
the only way to be recognized. And brother Nelson, we
remember when I first came to LA and I was
at someone the toughest high schools and they said we
can't have an assembly because you know they're gonna break
I'll fight it and all those types of things. The

(01:18:02):
one thing I never will forget when I broke down
the similism of this group was wearing red and net
groups wearing blue. Everybody wants to be a star, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
In the flag you a coach hold, I thought right there,
and I want you to share that with us. Explain
that to this audience, because you know, bene off us
like I'm just learning about why. And you know I
watched that game with Shadoor Sanders. I saw the interview.
It went over my head because you know, I guess
I'm aged out when it comes to that, that kind
of music and that kind of things, and many of
our people family members listening this morning are probably the

(01:18:34):
same thing. So I want you to explain both of
those issues when we get back. But we got to
check the news trafficking weather in that different cities. It's
twenty three minutes away from the top of our family.
I guess it's Coach Power and Coach Palell is his
latest book to hip Hop Hypocrisy When the Lies Sound
like the Truth. He's a motivational speaker for our young people.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
You can speak to him at eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls. After the news trafficking weather that's next. And
Grand Rising family, thanks for starting this final week of
twenty twenty five with us on this Monday morning. I
guess it is Coach Powell also Abari Ghani as well.
This fourth day of Quanta Cooperative Econology is a responsor
of Baraghani. Again, is what's going on what's happening or

(01:19:12):
what's the news? In SWAYI that's what he means, and
in our vernacules, what's happening, you know? And their response
is cooperative economics. As I mentioned, Coach Powell is our guest,
and coming up later this morning you're going to hear
from a black politics expert, doctor James Taylor, and later
this week GREO Professor James Small will be here. Also,
public enemist Professor Griffild join us, and pan afghanist and

(01:19:32):
cultural thinking expert critical thinking experts, you say, Doctor David
Hornell also join us. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep it ready a lot and tight
on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV
the Washington, DC metropolitan area around fourteen fifteen WL. I
got to explain that folks. As you know, before we
talked about the Internet. Before the Internet, only people in
DC could hear WOL. Right now we've got the whole

(01:19:54):
world and people are checking in thanks to the Internet.
But let's go back to the coach though, So, Coach,
when we you into LA, this is the peak of
the crips and bloods, the red and the blue and
explain that to our young people. So explain that to
an audience today. What's going on?

Speaker 10 (01:20:11):
Well, I never will forget that. You guys took me
to a place called, I believe it was Locked High school,
and I gave all this crap a brother, when we
go in here, you can't say this, don't say that,
you know, et cetera, et cetera. And so we get
a special session with young men, and the flag just
happened to be over my shoulder. I said, I helped

(01:20:33):
that flag up. I said, what would happen if all
the red eliminated all the blue and all the blue
eliminated all the red on this flag? What would be less?

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
They took a second.

Speaker 8 (01:20:47):
They said white.

Speaker 10 (01:20:48):
I said, essentially, you're working on behalf of white supremacy.
And you could hear a pin drops, I mean, teachers, administrators,
the young people. And we had the young men tie
their rags together, throw them up on the stage and
started that whole truth. And that's how I got hooked
up with Jim Brown because he heard about it and

(01:21:09):
he had some initiative going around at the time, and
I became a member of that. Just a bit of information,
that's all that they needed was some education on what
this bottom line was about. And when my earlier caller
said something about having someone in the industry, I always asked,

(01:21:33):
are there duplicating what they see? Are they actually talking
about what they live? That's a difference. We have more
active and pretenders. That's living comfortably, talking about living in
the so called hood. Hood is the abbreviation of the
word neighborhood. Hood stands for a hustle O they or die.

(01:21:54):
It's a polydrome read it backwards, die or a bay
the hustle you can't win. It's a trap. Why do
you go buy drugs from a trap house? Don't you
see the term? It's a trap right in front of
your face, right in front of your fake So.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Yeah, it's And let me tell me a coach, because
I'm glad you shared that with us, because some of
the folks that the older folks have probably don't understand.
At the time, the crips and bloods was raging and
going on each other. That's why they brought you out
to La to splaind to these young people. But how
do you know what's going on in their lives? Because
you mentioned y N and like I mentioned I saw

(01:22:33):
the the the Game with Shadoor on Sunday at the interview,
I didn't pick up on it, and I'm sure some
people listening to us now I probably didn't didn't pick
up on this y N thing. How do you you
vibe into what these young people that talk about, because
it seems that they speak a different language than us,
and they got different ideals about different things, and you know,

(01:22:54):
let scratch my haird hy n. I didn't pick up
that until the Truth tele call from Cleveland mentioned that.
But how do you get into it? How do you
understand that the terminology and the language that young people
are using these days.

Speaker 10 (01:23:07):
I've always been a decoder. Like I said, I coached
football and track and field, and when you don't call
out their players or your strategy, you use a cold language. Obviously,
you use a gossip. That's the issue that athletes struggle
with when they transfer schools and stuff like that. You
have to learn a new playbook. I told you before,
this is a script. Every script has to be rehearsed,

(01:23:30):
and that is the way that I examine things. I
have people who've been in my audience who anound teachers
and professions, and they.

Speaker 8 (01:23:38):
Still call me brother. You might not remember me.

Speaker 10 (01:23:40):
You came to Wisconsin back in nineteen whatever, you know,
and I want to know you still lecturing or whatever.
I love to get you on my campus. I just
brought Professor Grift in last year for our black history
program and he killed it. Still relevant to this day
of dropping them truth buns, I mean, and they were

(01:24:01):
sitting there like, you know, mouth wide open. So yeah,
it's just it's it's someone has examined. That's the problem,
even sociologists and psychologists who don't have enough people examining
what is being projected.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:24:16):
They people call me all the time, these young people
in school, they have never seen anything.

Speaker 11 (01:24:20):
Like or whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:24:21):
Yes you have, yes you have. They got the same
DNA that their parents and their family members have had.
But you see it more readily now because we have
means to the Internet, social media and things like that,
and it gets younger and younger in every generation. There
is a symbolic general sideal movement taking place amongst the culture,

(01:24:46):
where therefore, as Malcolm X said, they would pay us
to kill us just to say it was one of us.
Think about that. None of that music talks about hurting
or eliminating no other rates of people, but the people
who are.

Speaker 8 (01:25:02):
Saying it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:05):
There.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
If you're such against who are.

Speaker 10 (01:25:07):
You paying taxes to? Because you're paying for that check
that comes in, So you're not against that. Your pretender
wouldn't have.

Speaker 14 (01:25:15):
To call it for what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
And coach, you're not away from the top. And when
you say this to these young people, what's their reaction?

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
They say, oh, cool and stay with it, or they
stay with what they know, or because it's comfortable and
it's easier for them, which which way do they go?

Speaker 10 (01:25:36):
Some some of it is a letter until they mature.
So you have to understand. Money is the red cellow
that never lose. So like the first caller, if people
are earning their income from that, their perspective is you
a hater because I'm revealing the.

Speaker 8 (01:25:58):
Game Gang g E.

Speaker 10 (01:26:00):
Stanci get arrested, manipulated and eliminated. Oh, they say it's
a game, get arrested, manipulated and emily and eliminate it.
That's mass incarceration. You got two of the leading hip
hop artists now service slificant times in jail for what

(01:26:21):
the sol v theory that I talked about, sex wealth
addiction and violence.

Speaker 9 (01:26:28):
It all makes sense once.

Speaker 10 (01:26:30):
You study it, but you're taught not to study it.
You're taught to enjoy it, to indulge in it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Let me jump in here eight away from the top down. Couse,
you're referencing Diddy. What's the difference between what what Diddy's
doing now and what Snoop is doing? She Snoop Snoops
making money and a multimillion are does that? Going on
the fact that the people who listen and love his
music that they can this is something they can aspire
to do. They anything, they can reach the levels and

(01:27:02):
be accepted by a wider society because those of us
know from Long Beach and all his background, All of
a sudden, now that's been whitewashed, the coach and they
put him on some sort of pedestal for our young people.

Speaker 10 (01:27:14):
Explain that issue for us, Well, well, I hate to
meet your names. But one of them recognized the period
and the other one didn't see the comma. In other words,
appear in the stops seats rest. The commists stopped and
ponder the latter of those two men that you mentioned

(01:27:35):
use the comma theory. They stopped and say, man, I
can't do this forever. How do I ingest my money
and grow and change my image? The other thought superiorism,
I can do this, Can nobody touch me? Et cetera,
et cetera. And that's the difference. Some people know when
to pump the brakes of us don't. But notice they

(01:27:58):
will go get those heights, but they won't go get
a trained sociologists, psychologist, our truth teller, et cetera, et cetera,
because they have to keep that income coming in. They
have to keep it generates that money. And the owners
of those of those labels and things like that, where
do they send their money to? You know, it gets

(01:28:22):
It's got to be real clear, brother, you know that
you're just in the middle.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
You being used.

Speaker 10 (01:28:27):
Your talent is being used until we own the labels,
until we own the music, things like that. Until you
own the genre, it goes crazy. I mean, you look
at what's going on between female rappers.

Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:28:40):
I always said that they never have more than a
handful of female rappers the stress that message. But you
got them going back and forth doing the same thing.
And our young ladies. Now, you know, when you sit
in the classroom with me and you see some of
the things and the issues that these students come in with.

(01:29:00):
You said, this is orchestrated. No one wakes up that
angry every morning.

Speaker 9 (01:29:06):
No one.

Speaker 10 (01:29:07):
This is you know, it's it's unhealthy. But hey, that's
that's how. It's scripted. That's how.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
But well, let me jump in again, coach five away
from the time of that anger. If they wake up
with that anger is internalized and their anger is pushed
against somebody who looks like them, why not take that
anger against the system? Why can't they do that? Or
they've been programmed not.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
To do that?

Speaker 10 (01:29:30):
You comfort the system has you consist that if you
say something, I'll take food off your table. On a
subconscious and conscious level, absolutely, how do you go from
talking about having a wet you know what and you're
sitting on the stage talking to a bunch of conservitives.

(01:29:51):
How does that happen? It's scripted. It contracts your you
will do what I tell you to do. You don't
want to move of this neighborhood that you're in now,
the suburb and go back to the h oo d
the hood. So people are making choices to preserve their

(01:30:12):
own lifestyles.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
So you're saying, basically saying, we shouldn't be surprised and
we see these things come down.

Speaker 10 (01:30:19):
Absolutely no, it's a script and it only gets worse,
and it's soon and soon as things change. The whole
issue of you remember when the so called crypton blood
on the West coast and it's spread across the country.
I mean, I'm in a little bitty Dayton, Ohiawa at
the time. How did we get Krypston blood?

Speaker 6 (01:30:37):
That was media?

Speaker 10 (01:30:38):
That's called psycho media, perpetrator disorder. It is all again.
You keep hearing me say the worstcript. It's a plan,
it's a blueprint. It's a game plan, period, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Cool I though right there, Coach, we gotta step aside
for a fit. We gotta check the traffic and weather
at different cities. How let you finish your thought on
the other side, family, you too can join this discussion
with Coach. I will reach out to us at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
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and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on
this Monday morning here the last week of twenty twenty five.

(01:31:13):
I guess there is Black politics expert doctor James Taylor.
Before we left for the break, it was telling us
about well singled out Nicki Minach. But this administration is
usually religion as a tool and not just all religions,
just Christianity, and that's why they Nicki Miax spoke on
their behalf of the United Nations condemning the attacks on
Nigeria and Christians. And we've seen some of the Maga

(01:31:35):
folks that we talked earlier about the Black Maga. They
joined the group because they're opposed to abortions anything. They
think that this particular administration likes Christians, not Muslims or
any other religion. They've only shared their contempt for any
other religion other than Christianity. So, doctor Taylor, how much
this is are people being used to think of they

(01:31:56):
supporting this particular administration because of Christianity?

Speaker 9 (01:32:00):
Because I think that's the basic Black Maga support is
mainly Black Evangelical. There's a lot of Black Christians who
are ignorant and they believe in the Cross first and
their race is not important to them. I've been around
that dumb mentality my whole life, where you go to
church and you know, if the preachers say anything political,

(01:32:23):
somebody get upset and want to leave the church because
he talk on politics. As if life isn't political, existence
is political. You cannot engage in politics. When you wake
up and pay your bills, you engaging in politics. But
I want to get back on Nicki and Minajs, and
I really don't want to call it Nicki Minaj. One
of my things of late is to call uh Curtis

(01:32:46):
Jackson Curtis Jackson and not fifty cent, to call Shawn
Combs Shawing Comb's and not puff Daddy or Diddy. To
call Nicki Minaj's anaka petty because she is petty, and
not call her Nicki Minajs. We need to we need
to disrollto this how do I say this, defrock to
defroc meaning take We need to take the cloth away

(01:33:07):
from the priests as a metaphor. Is what I mean
when I say defract, It means to this robe, to
take away your your your religious cloth. And that's what
we need to do. The illusion that these celebrities are
real people in power. Nicki Minaj is forty four years old.

(01:33:28):
A bunch of you know, there's two generations of younger
women coming up behind her. There was a bunch of
great women rappers, Roxanne Shante and you know, Queen Latifa
and MC light and the whole generation of women rappers
who broke the ceiling first. And Nicki Minaj has no

(01:33:51):
loyalty to anything Black American. She's just used us from
day one. Nicki has never loved Black people. She loves Trinidadians,
but she don't love Black Americans. We are her market,
but we ain't her people. We're her market, but we're
not her people. And she let us know when that
black I mean. You have to understand the evil that

(01:34:12):
she did recently. She basically gave Trump cover to kill
hundreds of black people in Nigeria in a place where
there was no Vokoharam or no al Qaeda or no
Jihadis in a little rural Nigerian place. We're not talking Lagos, right.

(01:34:33):
So Nicki Minaj got up there and co signed on
this and smiled and called for intervention and then Donald
Trump bombs it. We ain't see no results, We don't
know how bad the damage is. We just know hundreds
of black people and Africans were killed. And Nicki Minad
got out the next day and put on her blonde
wig and her makeup and moved on. And this is

(01:34:57):
the tragedy. A lot of these celebrities are speaking into politics,
playing trying to be a part of the internet viral
phenomena every day. You don't think Nicki Mina's contemplated this
is gonna go viral. When I'm on stage with Charlie

(01:35:17):
Kirk's white this is gonna go all over the world.
And Nicki has zero loyalty to Black Americans. Car I'm
not into idots or the foundation of Black Americans, and
I know you aren't either, but here in moments like this,
this is when I agree with them. When you've got
these immigrant negroes, and they have been about three to
six million who've entered this country, maybe about eight million

(01:35:40):
now since nineteen sixty five, they're constantly trying to prove,
like Zoe South downa, there's another black, there's other blacks here,
and we're not Black Americans now. Now, these pigs, I'm
calling them pigs because we had to knock down every
barrier that they constructed. Felt that Asians and Arabs and

(01:36:03):
gays all could break through every group in America, including
Indians owns a deep debt to Black America because we
had fought for everybody. And here you got Nicki Minaj
who has no loyalty to the Black South, no loyalty

(01:36:24):
to to ancestors who were sharecroppers who migrated, who found
places wherever they went, the white man whenever. When six
million black people left the South between World War One
and World War Two, wherever we landed, that's what we
had to fight. After we got there. We had to

(01:36:46):
set up civil rights movements all over America, and we
broke through barriers, and then you got these freeloading and
then the academic relationship is called free riders. But these
free riders are these freeloader who are attached to our
movements and then become opportunistic. And this is what Ronald
Walters said at Howard University and University of Maryland when

(01:37:09):
he was still alive, the great Black political scientists. He
said that the left had already been dominated by Jesse
and al Sharpton for years, so there was no room
for these voices because Colin Jesse dominated them and Fara
Khan from the eighties up until the late you know,
to Lake mid to late nineties. So Ron Walter said

(01:37:33):
there was going to be an emergent element of black
people who were constantly attached to Reaganism. There was a
guy named Samuel Riley Pierce. If you look up Samuel
Riley Pierce, he was the former Secretary of Housing a
Hood and got prosecuted under Reagan for crimes. But he's
from my hometown in Glencoe, Long Island, New York, where

(01:37:56):
I was born and raised. So I'm saying to you
the most well known black Reagan Night other than Clarence
Tom Clarence Thomas, was Samuel Riley Pearce. And Samuel Riley
Pears was a Black Conservative. There's a deep strain of
black conservativism in our culture that does go back to

(01:38:17):
the church. But black power disabused us of black religion.
I mean, in my book on Black Nationalism, I explained
that black power was part of the secularization process where,
for example, the Nation of Islam embracest religion and Malcolm,

(01:38:37):
but the Panthers come after them, and they basically are
Malcolm without the Nation of Islam's religion. In other words,
the Nation of Islam used Islam, but the Black Panthers
were nothing but the Second Coming of the Nation of Islam.
They just rinded it of its religious element, even though
Huey Newton was deeply religious. They shed the movement logically

(01:39:00):
and philosophically of Islam per se. If you were going
to be a Muslim, that was on your own, but
not through the organization. The Panthers did have their own
church called the Son of Man Son of Man Temple,
that's the name of the Black Panther Party church. But
they didn't prioritize religion philosophically or ideologically. And when they

(01:39:21):
broke with Black Power, they shed Black religion as the
main variable that drove our movements like King and Garby
and Malcolm. So it's more like Dubois who was an atheist,
or Frederick Douglas who was an atheist, or Book of

(01:39:41):
Washington who was agnostic. What I'm saying is Black power
secularized Black America and made us less dependent on religiosity
to be to organize us as our organizing principle. And
and now what you have is us we have. We

(01:40:03):
still call ourselves a race, we still call ourselves a people,
but we're like a broken up family who still are
related to each other, but don't have nothing to do
with each other. Because you know, today Kodak Black can
go on TV and say Donald Trump is a great person,
just like Nicki Minaj did, right, and James Taylor could

(01:40:25):
be on the Call Notting Show and say Donald Trump
is not great. But who they gonna hear Kodak Black? Right, So, Malcolm,
if you remember make clear that we as black people
should not be listening to celebrities for our intellectual and
philosophical development. We should be going to the sources like

(01:40:46):
James Baldwin. We should be reading James Baldwin right now,
because Baldwin is the best voice for right now, because
he knows it's not us in crisis. It's white folks
that are in crisis. They're in crisis. We're not in crisis.
They in every state in America. We're not dying, Carl.
But in seventy five years, white people are going to

(01:41:09):
be a minority and they know it. So what they're
doing right now is criminal. They're trying to racially take
over America and set up a white utap a white
system run system, a South African apartheid system. Basically Elon
Musk and Trump to honor their racist daddies and granddaddies

(01:41:29):
are trying to reassert apartheid in America. And Nicki Minaj's
co signed it. Kodak Black Snoop Dogg of the Congressman MacDonald,
Nellie the Rapper, Sakwan Barkley, Kansas Owens, Tim Scott, Diamond

(01:41:49):
and Silk, whichever one's still living, Stacy Dash, Clarence Thomas,
fifty cent Herman, you know we're you know they had
Herman King right, Alma Rosa, Steve Harvey, all of these
people let themselves be used. And what's deep is called

(01:42:12):
if you go back in our history enough, there's always
been that Strand there's a book called Black Judas that
I've mentioned on your show years ago, Black Judas. It's
a book on William Hannibal Thomas. And this was the
most self hating Negro in history. He hated us so
much he wrote a book about it, and he constantly

(01:42:37):
demeaned and black culture, black aesthetics, black music, black talk,
and he put us down. Now, when black people like
this let themselves be used, they might get rewarded temporarily,
but in the end, you got to come back home.

(01:42:57):
And when you try to come back home. Ain't nobody
gonna be here waiting for you? And so Nicki Minaj
is learning the hard way that the same way Karen Belly,
Oh is it Karen Belly ray? I think her name
is the singer now she was new and young and
stupid and supported Trump in twenty fifteen, and she's never
fully recovered. Nicki Minaj has more of a cachet, right,

(01:43:21):
And the question is real Black America allowed Nicki Minaji
getting away with this?

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
And hold up though there because we'll come break and
we got some folks already want to talk to you
about Nicki Minaj. Let's go to Kareem first. He's online
one calling from Baltimore, Grand Rising. Kareem, your question for
doctor Taylor, your comment.

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
Hey, peace, As far as Nicki Minaj is concerned, were
really all of them? They are all avagus and that
they are looking for something. When we talk about Nicki Minaj,
Nicki Minaj's husband is up for is a pedophile. And
I hate to say it, but that she trying to

(01:44:01):
get him out of trouble. She's trying to get her
people out of trouble. Same thing with Kim Kardashian where
she did her thing. They are looking for some type
of co collaboration that will benefit them. So all of
the people that you mean, Clarence Thomas, all of those
people have had some type of personal benefit. Yeah, they do.

(01:44:24):
They do hate themselves, which in turn turns into us
being hated. But it is more so of a selfish
type of mentality, a white mentality, I would say that
causes them to have that type of ideology or way
of accides. There's a book called The Rape of the Mind.

(01:44:46):
You might have heard of. It is by Marillow. It
was written in nineteen sixty four. He is the guy
who coins menticide. That's where we suffer from. We suffer
from mentoricide. US African Americans, black people throughout the world
differ from that because when you try to go into
another culture and identify with those people to the demise

(01:45:09):
of yours, that's what you're committing. And we need to
stop that. We need to recognize it. But read more,
study more. James Baldwin is the truth. Thank you got
the tailor?

Speaker 9 (01:45:19):
Thank you? I want to thank you. I wasn't aware
of that book, so I just wrote it down. I
look it up and and and try to, you know,
try to check it out. So I appreciate the reference
the rape of the mind.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
He has a portion that cause is talking about the cutting,
the father cutting thembilical cord, and it's all about what
we deal with today. If people read that book, we
would either suffer less from what we suffer from our
people because it's all about that. Thank you, y'all have
a good work. Please, thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:45:52):
So you know, Carl Honor Capetty and I'm gonna keep
calling Honor Capetti because people don't even know Nicki Mina's
real name. He sold out, but actually he didn't really
sell out. I'm saying two contradictory things. So let me
correct myself. She didn't sell out. She's being who she
always has been. She's never loved Black America and she's

(01:46:13):
always been around us and like a white person siphoned
off of our and blood, sucked off of our culture
and uses our culture. But what if Nicki Minaj said
to uplist black people right as high a profile as
what she just did recently. I mean that was a

(01:46:36):
that was Uncle Tom. We need to vindicate Uncle Tom
was killed in the book because he would not sell
out his family to Simon Lagree, the old undertaker, who
beats him to death. And in the book as he's dying,
the last words of Uncle Tom is you poor, miserable fool.

(01:46:58):
That's what he said to the white man that killed him,
and he killed him because they would not sell out.
It was only during the area of Garbyism in a
new necro movement where they wanted to break from the
image of being Uncle Tom, just like black folk in
the nineties and two thousands had the written large image
of thug life that applied to our general youth across

(01:47:19):
the country. Uncle Tom applied to all black people. We
were considered Christian, non violent, hard working and then garby
Ism after World War and hull lead all.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Right there at doctor, I'll let you pick it up.
On the other side, we got a step aside for
a few moments here. Family, you two can join our
conversation with doctor James Taylor. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four to five to zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take you a phone calls next and
Grant Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this
Monday morning, this last week of twenty twenty five. I
guess his doctor James Taylor. Doctor Taylor's a political science professor,

(01:47:55):
teachers at the University of San Francisco, and we'll talk
about San Francisco Mowan Telly because they passed the reparations bill. Also,
he's a black politics expert. Before we go back to you, though,
let me just say first, I got to a shout
out to Chairman Fred and Attorney and Kechi Taifa. Both
of them are celebrating birthdays today. This is their Earth Day.
If you know either one of them, Chairman Fred or

(01:48:15):
Attorney and Keichi, just shout them out and tell them
happy birthday. And also later this week you're gonna hear
from gre O Professor James Small will be here, public
enemist Professor Griffulich join us, and pan Afganist and cultural
thinking expert doctor David Horne will also be here. So
if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep you ready,
locked and tight on ten ten WLB or if you're
in the DMV around fourteen fifty WL so doct tell

(01:48:38):
I'm gonna let you finish your thought. And they got
a bunch of folks got questions for you.

Speaker 9 (01:48:41):
Well, It's simply that most black people don't know that
Uncle Tom was really a man named Josiah Henson. Josiah
Henson h n Son who ends up. He was real
quickly in Kentucky and he had a bunch of slaves
in his charge. He made a mistake and went to
Ohio where they became free, and he stupidly took a
back to Kentucky and his master beat him. Josiah eventually

(01:49:05):
got his freedom and moved to Vancouver, British Columbia, and
went up there to meet with a black nationalist woman
named Mary Shad Carry. This is in my book on
Black nationalism. And when he gets there, Uncle Tom Josiah Henson,
the guy who Harriet Beeches Stow based the book on,
spent the rest of his life trying to fight for
black rights. After he brought slaves back into slavery, after

(01:49:28):
he brought black people back into slavery, after he mistakenly
took him to Ohio. But Uncle Tom was not considered
a sellout until Garvyism, with the new Negro broke from Garvyism.
I'm from Uncle Tom. What I'm saying is Uncle Tom
image was a Christian image of docile non threatening, asexual

(01:49:51):
black people. And I'm saying that garvyism. The word new
Negro is a break from Uncle Tom. So new Negro
really is saying no more Uncle Tom. But what I'm
trying to do is rescue Uncle Tom. In our narrative,
and understand, Uncle Tom wasn't no sellout. It was a
political choice that Garby isn't made to make him a

(01:50:13):
sellout in the popular narrative. But in reality is zip.

Speaker 12 (01:50:16):
Kun z i p kuhn co o o N look
up zip kun.

Speaker 9 (01:50:22):
Or look up sambo. Those were the negroes like Nicki Minaj,
like Kanye West, like Steve Harvey, like sa Kwan Bokley
and Candice Owens, who aren't simply existing in front of
a white man around a white man. These negroes see
a white man and they just start performing, smiling, dancing,

(01:50:43):
chucking opening, putting their in their hand, hoping they get
a penny for doing a dance. We've seen this in
our history. So Nicki Minas is simply performing a zip
whoom or a shambo performance where you lose all values,

(01:51:07):
all morals. You become exaggerated as a person, loud and
very ugly and painted up and you know, you can
look at all pictures of Nicki Minaj. She you know,
when she was about seventeen eighteen, she looked like a
twelve year old boy, and next thing you know, she
got you know, I don't even know what to call

(01:51:27):
them in the back of her behind so large right
that you know, it's dominated her whole image. What I
think Black America needs to do is have more discernment
and make choices not to support people who they don't
agree with. You can vote, or you cannot listen to

(01:51:50):
Nicki Minaj. You cannot listen to her. You cannot, Like
I haven't listened to a R. Kelly song in years,
right because when I think, and I can't even listen
to Aaliyah, to be honest with you, when a Leah
comes on, I turn it off, and I always have
because all I can think about as soon as I
hear Aliyah, I think of R. Kelly and it messes
me up. So I can't even listen to Aleah when

(01:52:11):
she talking about her, you know, singing certain songs, I'm thinking,
is R Kelly standing behind her right now while she's
singing when she's talking about Aj ain't netting butter number R.
Kelly's right there. I went to school with Alia's first cousin,
Joe Mo Hankerson, her uncle who got the eighty five
million dollars a few years ago, Barry Hankerson. We all

(01:52:32):
went to school together Pepperdine, Me and Joe Mo and
Kim Fields. We all went to Pepperdine together. So I
know Aliah's family. I know Alia's uncle who ran her
and her first cousin, Joe Mo Hankerson. Look this up
if I'm lying, Ben Barry Hankerson, he was married to

(01:52:52):
Ship Fields. Kim Field's mama. Kim Fields went to Pepperdine
and we used to go over to the kim Field's
house and Barry Hankerson and Chip Fields. Kim's mom owned
a home up there in the valve in La. So again,
I think what I'm trying to get at is there's

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always been the sellout phenomena, and we've always discouraged it,
but we've never been able to console it. Going back
to William Hannibal Thomas's book, The the Black Judas, that
book is kind of the umbilical, the kind of mothership
of all self hating black thinking and writing. And you

(01:53:37):
know look look at Nicki Minajs. She you know, the makeup,
the hair, all these black women with this, with these
blonde wigs is deep to me. Like, let me tell
this clearly, I think most of the beefs that black
feminists have is not with black men at all. Their
beef is with their grandmamas and their mamas. And most

(01:54:00):
black seminist won't acknowledge that that they use their grandmamas
and mamas to say, yeah, we're standing on the sofa
all our mamas and our grandmamas. But their real intellectual
battle is with the women of the previous generations who
did not live like they do now, or have the
mentality that they do now, or the economic situations that
they do now. So now you know the black community,

(01:54:25):
uh you know right who left?

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
All right there, Doc, because we've got a bunch of
folks got questions for you. A twelve away from the
top of our Sister Fahimas called on line seven. She's
from Washington, d C. Grand Rising Sister for Haima your
commenty of your question for doctor Taylor.

Speaker 13 (01:54:40):
Good morning, uh mister Nelson Hiberadani and greetings to your guests.
And yes, I am calling from d C. But I'm
Harlem born, bred and Harlem, and I'm from Harlem originally,
and I go back and forth, but I called the
previous caller was absolutely correct, and I just want to
shed some other She's yes, this is about this situation

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with her husband, because her husband, although his case and
her brother's case are statecases, his brother, her brother's failure
to register as an sa an s O becomes a
federal issue. So this is indeed about self preservation. Also
the issue with Trinidad and Venezuela, and most prominently when

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Trump was in office, initially the first time, and he
was separating children from their parents and deporting the parents,
she spoke out and did I sent you an article
where I think it was an ebony ad magazine. Nicki
Minaj came at five years old. Her parents are naturalized citizens,

(01:55:52):
but she is undocumented. And the fact of the matter
is when President Obama put doctor in place, she was
above the age limit to apply for doctor. So her
immigration status is in limbo. And you know that Trump
is a very vindictive, unforgiving person and she is potentially

(01:56:16):
in her cross in his cross hears, so it has
a lot to do with her immigration status, possibly helping
her brother and the conflict, the geopolitical conflict with Venezuela
and Trinidad. Also, yes, Nicki Minaj does have a black
fan base, but her fan base is very diverse and

(01:56:38):
a lot of it is part of the lgbd Q community.
I'm watching the conflict play out online.

Speaker 10 (01:56:46):
They are they are in an uproar.

Speaker 13 (01:56:49):
Just like Beyonce has the beehive, Nicki Minaj has what's
known as barbes. So I would I wouldn't necessarily frame
this as her the black community under the bus because
her fan base is not predominantly black. It's very diverse
in the LGBTQ community is very much a large part

(01:57:09):
of it. Also, some of the things that's going on
there were, you know, people, even when it comes to
the music and criticizing subsequent generations about the music they play.
There was Millie Jackson back in the day. There's always
been diversity, and it's turned us more perpet to be.

(01:57:30):
Richard Pryor grew up in a house of ill repute.
You've always had diverse situations in our community. You've had
Black people who had respectable politics. You had Black people
who who actually were engaged in the oldest profession in
the world. So you know, the thing is is that
there was never a situation where there was one unique

(01:57:52):
Black experience. We are as diverse as ore hues, and
that's in front of class, dignity, respect the things that
we do. And so that's all I wanted to share.

Speaker 6 (01:58:03):
Oh, a.

Speaker 13 (01:58:05):
Very critical of Nicki Minach and so that is also
suspect he was not a fan of her. So this
is indeed self preservation, as the previous call of mentioned
and the things that I've outlined as well.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
All Right, thank you, sister favorite doctor Taylor.

Speaker 9 (01:58:23):
She's brilliant and I agree what everything she said.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
All right, and we keeps doing because I got a
bunch of folks want to talk to you, and we
want to talk about the reparations in San Francisco as well.
Brother Gregory is calling us from Charlotte Is online too,
Grand Rising, Brother Gregor, your question or comment for doctor Taylor.

Speaker 15 (01:58:39):
Yes, Grand Rising, Brother Paul, Grand Rising, doctor Taylor, and
thank you so much, Brother Paul for having all these
professors as guest on your show and giving us the
opportunity to ask them questions. A couple of months ago,
Brother carl actually mentioned a very interesting point a pattern
that he recognized that the Trump administration would raise an

(01:59:02):
issue about long standing civil rights law, and then number
two Trump under Republicans, would work this issue up to
the Supreme Court, and then number three, doctor Taylor, the
Supreme Court would hear the case and surprise, overturn almost
one hundred year old president. That was the foundation for

(01:59:24):
black people. Now, my question for this call is about
the current announcement that the United States Supreme Court will
review birthright citizenship. I think the arguments are April twenty
twenty six, and the final decision is in July twenty
twenty six. So my question for you, doctor Taylor, if

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makes a decision in July twenty twenty six that changes
birthright citizenship. If that change is made, say from birthright
citizenship to a form of Trump citizenship, you see that
what is happening to the Latinos right now, the capture,
the tension, and deportation. If that change is made, could

(02:00:09):
he start planning to do that to black people in America?
And if so, what did you think will be the
solution for our people if that happened in July twenty
twenty six, Yeah, it will have a.

Speaker 9 (02:00:21):
Deep psychological effect on Black people who understand what it means. Now,
there's a lot of Black folks don't know what birthright
means or citizenship means, so put the two words together,
they get more confused. I'm not trying to be elite
this year. I'm just saying there's a lot of ignorance
in our community and they don't understand. Birthright citizenship ain't
got nothing to do with Latinos. It ain't got nothing
to do with immigrants. Birthright citizenship is only about Black America. Now,

(02:00:46):
other groups have had other cases built off of that.
My semessages ended and I had several students right about
the Latino experiences in terms of birthright citizenship in terms
of case law, But the foundation in eighteen seventy in
the fourteenth Amendment of birthright citizenship, that's only a conversation

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about Black folk. We are being tricked because it's not
being discussed in regard to Black folk, but it applies
to us. So if they get rid of it, every
Negro in America is vulnerable to no longer have the
guarantee of citizenship or citizenship rights. This is why Nicki
Minaj is dangerous. This is why all these black conservatives

(02:01:32):
in Black Maga are dangerous. They are providing a cover
to say, see, he's not racist.

Speaker 8 (02:01:38):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:01:39):
Meanwhile, Anaka Petti Minaje keeps her millions and her celebrity
and our people are in a predicament as vulnerable as
her because she really ain't got no business here, and
they would basically put us in the same position that
Nicki is in a vulnerable one. And I agree with
Sister Fahima. Nicki minaj is dealing with reality of her

(02:02:00):
own illegal immigrant status. She should have stayed off camera
and kept her mouth shut and most of us wouldn't
be talking about it. But because she got up on
that stage, now her immigration status is topic number one
with regard to her. The second conversation is her rapacious husband,
and the third I mean your brother rather and the

(02:02:21):
third is her husband. Right, So this Sister Fahima said,
is self preservation. But remember they took off, they got
rid of slick Rick. They deported slick Rick back to England.
So there's no reason we all love slick Rick. They
they don't fing shoot and don't who don't want a
meaning of ward or so that as popular as anything
Nicki Minaj has ever done in our history.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
I like that rap and hold on thought right there, Doc,
because we got to step aside. South stations can identify
themselves down line three minutes away from the top of that.
Let me just say this, Nicki Minaj is quoted and
saying that she should be given honorary US citizenship because
all the taxes that she's paid down that while we
take the break. As I mentioned, it's three away from
the top there. You want to speak to our guest,
doctor James Taylor, is a political scientist and a black

(02:03:07):
politics expert. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls next and grind Rising family, thanks for
starting your week with us this last week of twenty
twenty five. And a bari Ghane the fourth day of Kwanza.
Bari Grane, of course, means what's the news. That's the
literal translation from Swahili in our translation is what's going on,

(02:03:27):
what's happening, what's new?

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
That's what we say.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
And your response is oujama, which means cooperative economics. Got
some folks out in San Diego and LA want to
talk to doctor Taylor. But doctor Taylor is our guest
right now. It's a black politics expert, Doctor Taylor. Let
you finish your thought and we'll talk to the folks out.

Speaker 9 (02:03:44):
Well, well, would you're saying a high profile black entertainer
who's been deported with the slick rick. So I guess
Nick Minaj is aware that she's vulnerable. But it does
go back against your you know, your constitutional question about
birthright citizenship. This makes all forty five million black people vulnerable.

(02:04:05):
The irony is white people are dying out, and yet
before they die out, they're trying to make sure that
they create an apartheid system to leave whites on top.
That's what I think is in play. And again, they've
always been black conservatives. We've never been monolistic in our thinking.
There was black conservative intellectual was back in Booker T.

(02:04:27):
Washington's Day Book of Washington represented some conservatism. There's a
long history of conservativism. It's one of our political ideologies
like integration and black nationalism.

Speaker 11 (02:04:39):
It is.

Speaker 9 (02:04:42):
But what we have here is not I think conservativism.
It's transactional. This is not ideology. Anika Petty is being transactional.
With Donald Trump and the Department of Justice, and so
again Donald Trump is using them, and they're using Donald Trump.

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And I think you know what black folk have got.
We don't have a clearinghouse where we can vet all
ideas that get put out in public on our behalf.
That's what the Gary Convention in nineteen seventy two was
supposed to do. Allow every Black opinion, from every Black
perspective to have voice, and then to always have voice

(02:05:26):
from that point on whenever we get together, and you know,
every four years, like the Democrats and Republicans at our
Black Convention, gays could come, trans could come, Christians could come,
Muslims should come, Nationalists could come, Integrationists could come, Marxists
could come. That's Gary nineteen seventy two. And we should

(02:05:47):
have kept that apparatus in place so that we can
have all kinds of black opinion. But when we walk
out of that auditorium together, we are united, regardless of
what our orientations are. We come to an agreement in
our own PLUBU site and say this is the memo.
Do not get off script, stay on code. This is

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our Black unity, and that means gays, trans conservatives, christians,
everybody stay on point, and then we can fight in
our conventions and we can cuss in our conventions. But
when we walked out that convention, there's a united message
that's a problem called we don't have a clearing house.
That Jim Crow gave us the clearing house. It gave

(02:06:32):
us the clarity. We could see Uncle Tom correct myself.
We could see a zip kun or a uh, you know,
a Sambo Negro acting out easily. Remember the movie Soldier story,
the movie Soldier story with Richard with that, you know,
with well, with all of those black actors, right, uh,

(02:06:52):
and remember they the one black man they kill is
one who played who acted like a monkey in public
in front of the German I believe it was. The
narrative was and they they and they disciplined them. In
South Africa that used to do necklacing in South Africa,
if you were a setout, you got a tire put
around you with some gasoline and you got necklace. Right,

(02:07:16):
we don't have what I'm trying to say called we
don't have any one place that's the center of Black
America that can check bad or off tune behavior or
off colde behavior. So we don't have a mechanism that says, Okay,
Mickey Minaj's shit down. Now, we did under Jim Crow.
The nature of Jim Crow Channel two, Channel four, Channel five,

(02:07:37):
Channel seven, we only had like three or four channels,
so those TV channels, news channels had all of our attention.

Speaker 8 (02:07:46):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:07:46):
But then after the eighties and nineties, you know, the
proliferation of CNN and cable news and technology explodes. So
now the black community is dec if Jim Crow gave
us a clarity, I'm saying, where we could see when
somebody was off code, integration broke up, whatever institutional oversight,

(02:08:13):
we had to check bad black behavior. So we don't
have the mechanism to say, Nicki Minaj, you can no
longer talk on behalf of Black America. If you do,
we will discipline you. Jews have it right, other groups
have it where they where they can, you know, filter
the messages that go on about them. You don't see

(02:08:34):
any black Indian celebrities acting out like Nicki Minaj. You
don't see any Latino celebrities acting out like Nicki Minaj. Well,
in many cases, what I'm saying is once Jim Crow ended,
we lost the fish bowl that we were living in
where we could check on each other and check each
other's sellout behavior. After Jim Crow, it's now no there

(02:08:58):
is no one place of blackness. So Blackness is proliferated
all over the world, in diaspora and pan African And
the problem is now everybody can do whatever they want
to do, and we don't have a sense. We don't
have a full crumb s U L c r U M.
We don't have a full crumb to check ungodly or

(02:09:19):
undisciplined or off code behavior. And and that's why anybody
can do whatever they want. Lil Wayne can go to
the White House. Uh, Steve Harvey can go to the
White House, and they don't They don't expect any repercussions
from Black people. One because after Jim Crow, a lot
of Black folk lost there focused on who they were,

(02:09:41):
and we became much more individualistic. And that goes back
to what sister Fatima was saying that it becomes these
individual calculations.

Speaker 6 (02:09:51):
And and so.

Speaker 9 (02:09:53):
Without a mechanism like the like the Gary Convention, Without
something like that, we're all black people get together idiologically
and flesh out their differences and then come out with
a united voice. Without something like that. People like Nicki
Minaj and Loul Wayne and Kodak Black, and you know

(02:10:14):
some of these other celebrities like Snoop Dogg. We have
no way of checking and saying, look at look at this.
After Snoop Dogg sold out, we were mad at Snoop
like we were mad at Nikki or Anika. Now Snoop
then recovered already This negro is wearing an all red
suit at a at a football concert yesterday, which I
won't watch. But my point is, baby warded Snoop. A

(02:10:37):
lot of times when these people sell out, you just
gotta wait about a month or two, and all of
a sudden they get commercials. Look at what Dwayne Wade,
d Wade. D Wade did, I want to get into
his son's sexuality and all of that, but d Wade,
and you know it, goes out and promotes this idea.
The next thing you know they got they gave him

(02:10:57):
a talk show. Remember he had a game show on
TV in prime time. Right after he got up and
celebrated his sern's sexuality. They rewarded Dwayne Wade with a
TV show that didn't work. Snoop Dogg is now has
a Football Bowl game named after him. They just they
were going to let him have a New Year's Eve party.

(02:11:19):
I think they just canceled on him. And I'm saying, Carl,
watch they do something for Nicki Mina soon.

Speaker 10 (02:11:25):
Right, Well, let me jell me here that they've.

Speaker 4 (02:11:27):
Already done that.

Speaker 8 (02:11:30):
Is going to be rewarded.

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
Yeah, let me jump me here, because already are downloads.
She may have my money downloads since she came out.
So I'm not sure who's downloading their music, but that's
what they're saying. She made millions and millions of dollars
on her for music, but maybe her new fans are downloading,
and uh, you know, I'm trying to figure out where
she's coming from. Before we go to a next guest.
The next caller though, doctor Taylor. Uh, one of our

(02:11:53):
callers said the birthright and the effect on black people.
This is on YouTube. There's a discussion about that, and
we've always got to remember when we talk about the
birthright and the effect on black people, the dread Scott decision.
We can't leave that out. That's the that's the link
ten and a half the top down. Let's go out
Western now San Diego. Allen's calling he's online three grand rising, Alan,
you're with doctor Taylor, a doctor Taylor.

Speaker 5 (02:12:16):
It was a pleasure, thank you said, well you too, Carl.
Excuse me, but you know something, you know, the problem
with a lot of black people, like a lot of
the the black people today, they don't have this, They
don't take a stand like they did back in you know,
back in the fifties and sixties. Like for instance, like
Lena Horne, right, she when she was doing the US

(02:12:38):
Social she said that they had all the h German
POWs in the front, on the front line, you know,
like in the front of the audience, and all the
blacks in the back. When she saw that, she just,
you know, she just walked off the stage, you know.
But also too, I want to say this too. Now,
Bill Cosby, Okay, guess what Bill Cosby and Donald Trump

(02:13:00):
they were in the same NBC studio, you know, I
mean different they were in different flaws. And that's when
Donald Trump he announced his presidency. This is back in
twenty fifteen. Now when when they and went down when
they asked Bill Coley about this about you know about Trump.
You know, his reaction was, well, what do you think

(02:13:21):
about Trump running for President, and his reaction is he
got too much mouth. Then after he said that, I
noticed that, that's when the sexual abuse scandal with him
just came up. And from then on he was just silence.
He couldn't say anything because I know one thing. If
he wasn't silenced, he he I'm pretty sure he would

(02:13:45):
have set a whole bunch of stuff about Donald Trump,
you know. And so that's what I'm saying. He has
some celebrities out there that they will speak out and everything,
just like Paul Mooney. They silenced him too before he died.
Because I know, if you.

Speaker 9 (02:14:03):
Think about it, if you think about it, Earth the
Kit was also not Black American. I believe she was
a West Indian immigrant as well. And Earth and Kit
famously confronted LBJ in the White House and she wasn't smiling,
and she wasn't shucking, and she wasn't tap dancing. She
looked him in his eyes angrily and said, the young
people are rioting because they're unhappy. And it basically they

(02:14:26):
black balked earth A Kit for the rest of her
career for being honest. So it's profitable to sell out.
But what like I said earlier, Black feminism is less
about black men and black women and more about black
grandmamas and mamas and their daughters and granddaughters. This is
a similar dynamic, you know, in the sense that they,
you know, this has been an ongoing thing. And again

(02:14:51):
you know, Earth a Kid, uh, you know, took a
courageous stand and they and they black vault her. So
I said, we put Earth the Kid up against Nikki.
That's what I mean. That's the grandmama versus the granddaughter.
Nicki Minaje talk to earth a Kit and Nicki Minaje
looks a shame in front of earth a Kit because

(02:15:11):
earth a Kit did what the Black community and the
young community and the anti war community wanted someone to do,
to speak truth to power. Instead, Niki used her power
to basically denigrate and celebrate the KKK. That's what you
got to understand. Trump's genealogy is KKK. Carl. Imagine if

(02:15:35):
you wrote down on a pad all of the negative
qualities of all of the attributes of a KKK leader
who would be president. What would it I guess I'm
trying to say this call. If we wrote down on paper,
what would a KKK president do if he got elected?
Like David Duke. Do you think David Duke would be
doing anything different than Donald Trump. Trump is acting like

(02:15:58):
a KKK president. He's probably only black and brown countries.
He's inviting demon white South Africans into this country, and
I've been there twice. Those are some devils. White South
Africans are devils.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
And I'll stand on that and let me jump her
here at Doctor Taylor fourteen at the top there. The
irony is inviting the Africanas from South Africa because he
says they're being persecuted. Why is he's yet to invite
the black Nigerians who are being persecuted.

Speaker 4 (02:16:30):
What he does responds with its right.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
Yeah, So we'll watch keep an eye on that. But
I've got a bunch of folks who want to get
to you, So if you can show up on the answers,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:16:43):
Sure, You've got a lot of people I'd like to
talk to you.

Speaker 1 (02:16:45):
Fourteen a half the top there, stay out on the
West Coast, LA. Crystals online four grand rising Crystal your
question for doctor Taylor. It's Crystal online for Kevin.

Speaker 13 (02:17:00):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (02:17:03):
All right?

Speaker 10 (02:17:05):
Doctor Taylor?

Speaker 13 (02:17:06):
Gram rising everyone, Doctor Taylor, I want to thank you
for mentioning Zollie Deldanna. She does not claim define herself
as black or African American. When she won the Oscar
last year for Best Supporting Actress for Emilia Perez, first

(02:17:29):
she said in English, I'm Dominican, and I'm so proud
of being Dominican. Her whole speech was about being Dominican,
and then she restated her speech in Spanish. She does
not define herself as black. And there were black groups

(02:17:50):
here wanting to award her, and I was one trying
to afford them. She doesn't define yourself as black. Additional,
she's married to an Italian and you brought her name
up earlier. She also has been a main actress in Avatar,

(02:18:11):
but she does not She claims she is Dominican, and
she does not recognize the black community here.

Speaker 9 (02:18:20):
And you quickly and real quickly, what they've done is
they rewarded her with a whole series of commercials she's
doing now, she's doing vodka commercials, she's doing phone commercials.
This is not just because of a good agent. Once
you sell out, they come and they reward you for
the sellout, and she's being rewarded. But to be honest,
Like you said, she never embraced being black. But see,

(02:18:42):
here's the problem. Black folks don't need none of these people.
Black people don't need Nicki minaj Orsowe Saldana or Kodak Black.
And when they are then going black people are still
going to be black and still going to thrive. So
you know, for me, you know, uh, there's a beauty
in being a minority in America. And the fact that

(02:19:04):
we came here with nothing and now we rival the
white man in everything and have surpassed him in most things.
Is the mind blowing a twist of history that a
white man now thinks that the great great grandchild of
a slave is his equal because we have caught up
and surpassed him in so many ways on an individual level,

(02:19:26):
not on a group level, but on an individual level.
And they have a hard time with it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:32):
Got you seventeen after the top, dre all, let's take
the break and we come back. We have folks across
the country want to speak to doctor Taylor. You too
can get in line reach out to us at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take all your calls. Next and Grand Rising family, Thanks
for rolling with us on this last week of twenty
twenty five. I guess is doctor James Taylor. Doctor Taylor

(02:19:52):
teaches politics at the University of San Francisco. He's a
black politics expert, and this morning we're talking about black maga.

Speaker 4 (02:19:59):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (02:20:00):
I thought it's eight four five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Frider reaching out to us. He's in Bowie, Maryland. He's
online one grand rising, Fred your question for doctor.

Speaker 16 (02:20:08):
Taylor, Brandon rising call and good to have Kevin back
as well. And good on into you, doctor Taylor. And
it's good to hear your voice and hear your insights.
I just have a question that I'm just going to
take it off the air, but I'm curious to know why,
all of a sudden we have this sports announcer by

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the name of Stephen A.

Speaker 5 (02:20:30):
Smith.

Speaker 16 (02:20:32):
I thought is to jump into the arena as a
possible candidate. And I just wonder why all of a
sudden from a sports announcer jumping all the way into politics.
And then my second question is where are we as
far as Margie Taylor Green, She's awoke now, she's realizing

(02:20:54):
what's going on. What does that party, that Republican Party
is there.

Speaker 10 (02:21:00):
We see the beginning of a change in that Republican Party.

Speaker 5 (02:21:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (02:21:05):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think so. I just think Margie
Taylor Green's case is an individual case where, you know,
this thing around the Epstein files really struck a chord
with her. With the other women too, the Nancy Mace
and even Lauren Bobert, they were all really emotionally disturbed.
I think Nancy Mays came out of a meeting in tears.

(02:21:29):
It was so disturbing what they saw. They saw some
vicious things and it's gonna all come out. It's coming
out now. We're talking about murder and Lake Michigan. We're
talking about murder and the President of the United States.
You think that ain't gonna come out, the truth it
will and and so you know, I think we're just,

(02:21:49):
you know, going through an election cycle, and during an
election cycle, a lot of things happen and you're gonna see.
I think this is really important to get in there.
Stephen A. Smith is a sellout. He's been one, but
he got one hundred million dollars and then they demoted him.
And now he's taking that on us because he's mad,
and you know every other day he opens his loud mouth.

(02:22:11):
I'm from New York like Stephen, and that's why I
talk so loud and so much. But you know he's
he's so ignorant. Nine times out of ten when Stephen A.
Smith opens his mouth about politics, stupid comes out. He's
not an intelligent man when it comes to politics.

Speaker 17 (02:22:29):
All he does is talk.

Speaker 9 (02:22:30):
Loud and long. But he's loud and wrong. And then
a neat ro go lineup and try to act like
he's gonna be some kind of black conservative. The reason
why he thinks he can win. Look at the idiot
in the White House. If Donald Trump could be president,
a crackhead could be president and run this country just
like Donald Trump. We could go to any project corner

(02:22:53):
and get a crackhead and swam in the White House
and they would do the same damn thing this idiot
is doing right now. He's a bad KKK president. And
if that sounds harsh, look at what Maxim and Water
said about him recently. Lizzo told us what.

Speaker 8 (02:23:08):
We all need to hear.

Speaker 9 (02:23:10):
Lizzo warned us, and this is where we do appreciate
black celebrity. She warned, us, and we should keep our
eyes open. She said, this is going to break your heart,
but more of your celebrity favorites are going to sell
out between now and November and now in the next
three years, she said. She says only going to get worse.

(02:23:30):
So whoever you love in black celebrity in glitter Roddy,
be prepared to have your heart broken. My heart was
broken when Jim Brown went to the White House and
Steve Harvey, I was confused, like, why are y'all playing
this game? What are y'all doing trying to negotiate and
trying to act like they could get something from the
President on behalf of Black America. None of them were

(02:23:53):
doing that. You know, Kanye was talking about free Jeff
Ford and free Larry Hoover. You know that's what Kanye's
focus is, Free Larry Hoover. You know, none of them,
none of these black conservatives, not one of them call
has ever put for agenda a policy platform for Trump
to support. So all these black folks who are playing it,

(02:24:15):
playing this game, like Steven Smith and Nicki Minaj's, neither
one of them has an idea what they believe in.
All they doing is speaking into the confusion because they
have agents behind them, and their agents tell them how
to act, how to behave, what to do to get
the news cycle. You don't think Nicki Minaj's agent said

(02:24:36):
that's a good idea. We can get you back. They look,
they voted the top ten female rappers this year and
Nicki Minas ain't on the top ten list nowhere, But
who were talking about? Now?

Speaker 4 (02:24:48):
Yeah, how that thought? Right there?

Speaker 1 (02:24:49):
I got folks all across the country want to talk
to you, doctor Taylor. At twenty six after the top
they are let's go to Northern Virginia. Carl's waiting versus
online two Grand Rising Carl, A question, a confer about
your tailor, a.

Speaker 14 (02:25:02):
Grand Rising car and Grand Rising Doctor Taylor, thank you
for taking my call. Can y'all hear me?

Speaker 8 (02:25:08):
Yes? Okay, listen.

Speaker 14 (02:25:11):
You brought up the meeting that they.

Speaker 18 (02:25:13):
Had in the political convention in nineteen seventy two and Gary, Indiana,
and you were saying that we haven't had anything since then.

Speaker 14 (02:25:20):
Or at least that's the impression I got from you.
And I was reading a book about that by from
Leonard Moore, The Defeat of Black Power, and talks about
that convention and in reading that, you know, when you
talk about the black who sold out on the conservative side,
you got just as many blacksm that sold out on
the liberal side, who called them who sayd they are

(02:25:40):
spokes people who are in the Democrat Party who are
now in seventy two we were trying to get we
were they were talking about having a black agenda, they
were talking about having a black political party, a separate
black party. Who poured a water, cold water on that,
according to mister Moore, the black Jesse Jackson, the Black
Congression of Black office since as it was at the time,

(02:26:03):
Harold of with Stokes of the mayors.

Speaker 8 (02:26:09):
So you got this much.

Speaker 18 (02:26:11):
I mean, look, you want to talking about selling out,
Let's talk about na a CP's first president, Joe Steingard,
who was a spy for Army intelligence, who spired on
the people in his own organization and informed on them.
And yet to this day the NAACP High Award it's
called what the Steingar Award.

Speaker 11 (02:26:29):
That's right, that's true.

Speaker 18 (02:26:30):
So you want to talk about selling out, man, the
white folks, the white racist, the white collar structure has
to seek for black people on the liberal side and
the conservative side, we don't we like talking about.

Speaker 14 (02:26:43):
Clarence Thomas and we like one not Stephen. We have
to talk about those, you know, those people.

Speaker 18 (02:26:49):
But let's talk about the ones on the on the
so called liberal side, the nigga like you said, Jesse
Jackson and so.

Speaker 14 (02:26:54):
By the negroes that cashed in that they come to
do good and they stayed and they done quite well.

Speaker 4 (02:27:01):
Right, Let's give me a chance to response.

Speaker 1 (02:27:03):
Card.

Speaker 4 (02:27:03):
We've got a bunch of folks.

Speaker 9 (02:27:05):
I agree with him, and I appreciate the gentle correction. Yeah,
but I did say it. You know, Gary would represent
every perspective that means conservatives too, and so really what
should have happened. People don't realize after King I have
a Dream in sixty three and then killed in sixty eight,
the next big black event is Gary. It's sixty three,

(02:27:27):
is I have a dream? The next big black gathering
of Black America is Gary in nineteen seventy two. And
what I'm saying in agreement with the caller is for
the past fifty three years, we should have been meeting
every four years in a black convention around the country
because Gary started in seventy two, but they kept trying

(02:27:48):
up until about nineteen eighty one in Atlanta and in Philadelphia.
They had subsequent meetings and they were trying to create
an independent party.

Speaker 8 (02:27:55):
That was the reason for Gary.

Speaker 9 (02:27:56):
It was one, should we create a political party or
two should we develop a black presidential strategy? And this
is where Shirley Chisholm gets up and everybody celebrates Shirley Chisholm.
I don't like She's a West Indian woman who came
here and just disrespected the protocol and just gonna run
for president without going through the men and the establishment

(02:28:17):
democratic machine that was in place that even every man
who won the run for president would have had to
go through, undoubt and unbought. Well. She was one of
the people who caused the distraction with Gary, and then
Jesse Jackson was the other, and then Emmi Baraka was
the third. The three headed monster at Gary is why

(02:28:37):
we didn't. It is why we have not had meetings
for the past fifty years. We should be meeting every
four years for the past fifty years. And black conservatives,
black gays, black trans black robots can get in there
and give us some opinion, but when we walk out
of that convention, we have to have a United Voice.

(02:28:58):
That was the goal, and that could all of it
conservativism as well, and there are good ideas. There are
a lot of black folks who are probably socially conservative,
morally conservative, you know, because of Black Christianity and Islam
in our lives. Right, So conservativism is not you know,

(02:29:18):
black's not anti conservative, but conservatives are anti black. And
that's part of the problem, brother, that you have in
trying to make equal the Black Republican and the I
mean the black conservative in the black liberal is the
black liberal ain't anti black. They may not be well
informed ideologically, but they're not anti black. The black conservative

(02:29:38):
is anti black, and they allow themselves to be used
against black people.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Wow, that's a good analysis right there. Twenty nine away
from the top of the hour, Doctor James Taylor's I
guess the family. If you've heard of me before. He's
a black politics expert, teaches politics political science at the
University of San Francisco. And we got to talk about
San Francisco before we let you go, doctor Taylor. But
I got so people want to talk to you real
real quick.

Speaker 9 (02:30:03):
I became the chair of the Department of Politics again,
so I'm the chair of the Department of Politics at USF.
Now starting oh like this week.

Speaker 1 (02:30:12):
Congratulations doctor Taylor.

Speaker 4 (02:30:14):
Good good.

Speaker 1 (02:30:15):
I know because you know, doctor Taylor, teacher, you mentioned
the University San Francisco, and all students are trying to
get any of these classes. If you're out there on
the West coast, so you're think anybody going to college
and there's a political science major, that's the school you
should consider. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight to seventy six. Thomas is in Baltimore has a
question for you. He's on line five. Grand Rising Thomas.
You're I'm with doctor Taylor's Thomas there on line five.

Speaker 8 (02:30:41):
Hey listen, Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 10 (02:30:43):
How you doing great?

Speaker 8 (02:30:46):
Hey you listen.

Speaker 19 (02:30:48):
My comment is this, I understand what brother Allan's saying
about Bill Cosby as if anybody ever decided to look
into this.

Speaker 8 (02:30:57):
Two properties bill Cosby.

Speaker 19 (02:30:58):
Owned had some of the largest are reserves on One
was in Massachusetts, one was in Pennsylvania. Some of the
largest are reserves in the in those areas ran under
those properties that Bill Cosby owned, in which some people
tried to get him to sell his all his his

(02:31:19):
property and he would not, which is why I believe,
first of all, Bill Cosby's son in us was murdered
because he would not play ball with these folks.

Speaker 8 (02:31:33):
If anybody ever decided to check into that.

Speaker 9 (02:31:36):
And I was there, I was down I lived down
the street from where he got killed. I mean I
literally down the street from when he got killed. I
was in LA at that time by myself as a student.

Speaker 8 (02:31:45):
And I remember that.

Speaker 9 (02:31:46):
And remember that was a producer's wife, I mean daughter
who came out naked in the in the first coat
in the Jaguar, and she she and we don't know
who she is, but the woman that was at the
state in his Cosby. I mean, I don't want to get.

Speaker 4 (02:31:59):
Off on that, but let me share this with you
and Thomas.

Speaker 1 (02:32:02):
I think if you call but the Cosby thing, you know,
we know we're live on the air at that time,
four o'clock in the morning, get a call from the
l a p D. Wanted to know if if one day.
First they wanted to know Stevie knew Bill Cosby, and
then they said there's they found a body up on
Marl Holland Drive and they wanted to know if it
could have been the one of the contries.

Speaker 9 (02:32:22):
So you know.

Speaker 1 (02:32:22):
And I called him and I said, you know these cops.
I'll say what he said, this cops thinking because with celebrities,
we all know each other. Uh uh, And I tell
them what the issue? He says, tell me, you didn't
reach me.

Speaker 4 (02:32:33):
So that was it.

Speaker 1 (02:32:34):
But then they called back later after they had the
confirmation that it was a Cosby son, And so we
were on one of the first ones to actually break
the news because they were they were trying the LAPD
was trying to get with us to figure out if
the Cosby had a son and he was driving uh
an expensive Mercedes on Marl Holland Drive because they have
found him dead. But you're right, that woman has disappeared,
and there's this whole kind of things and that that

(02:32:56):
whole story is just just gone away.

Speaker 9 (02:32:59):
But and then, if you remember, none of the major
newspapers in America would publish the article that uh, that
Camille Cosby wrote called America taught my Son's killer to hate.
No major publication would publish it except Jet Magazine, just
like EDMT till nobody would publish that picture except Jet Magazine.

(02:33:19):
And when they did publish the article by mss Cosby, Uh,
she said Michael MARCUSV who was from Ukraine. Uh didn't
learn hate in the Eastern Europe of black people. He
came to America and the first word he learned was
the N word. And we know we old enough to
remember Richard Pryor says, when you come to America, the
first what you got to say is the N word.

(02:33:41):
And if you, if you, if you, and he said,
if you get your a whooped, you know you made
it because somebody gonna get you for using it. But
you know, I want to get back to Stephen A. Smith.
Sellout because this is this is going to be. He's
going to impose himself and these white folks behind him
are going to allow this foolishness. Stephen A. Smith, I'm
not Stephen A. Smith has no ideas. He's just reacting

(02:34:04):
every day, getting on the microphone, running his mouth, talking
about current events. He's like a dumb student of mine
who who were having one conversation in class and it's
idiot's on another one. So we talking about a he
talking about bet that's Stephen A. Smith and Stephen A.
Smith out of nowhere. Recently, all of a sudden, got
a new microphone and just turned straight to politics, and

(02:34:25):
he started out attacking black women. He going after Jasmine Crockett, right,
He going after the Congressional Black Caucus, you know. And
the sad thing about stephen A. Smith is black folk
were the ones and the black culture and the black style.
Here Nicki Minaja doing the same thing. They use black

(02:34:47):
culture to become wealthy individuals and then they turning on
it to please white people to say, yes's the boss.
Keep on giving me that money, and I'll keep on
playing the zip coon for you. Stephen A. Smith is
playing zip kuon and so is Nicki Minaj's and it's
a betrayal of the black community. But they use the

(02:35:08):
culture and you gotta google image zip kuon. He's an
ugly man, raggedy clothes, ugly face, ragged fingers, ripped up shoes,
torn up pants, torn up clothes. Zip Kuon was a caricature.
And that's what Nicki Minaj is because if you took
off the blonde hair, the makeup, tip off the bbl

(02:35:29):
all you got there is little onaka Petty.

Speaker 4 (02:35:33):
All right, and hold up though.

Speaker 1 (02:35:34):
Right there, we got to take our last break, doctor Taylor,
and I still got a bunch of folks and tweet
questions for you. Twenty three minutes away from the top.

Speaker 4 (02:35:40):
They have family.

Speaker 1 (02:35:41):
I guess there's doctor Taylor. Doctor Taylor is a black
politics ex ray. Do you like to join the line?
You're like speak to him, reach out to us a
telephone number simple, it's eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on
this Monday morning. I guess it is doctor James Taylor
from the University of San Franciscos. It makes you a
bunch of folks still speak to doctor Taylor and also

(02:36:03):
gess a tweet question. So I'm trying to get to
as many as positive he can shut up around the response.
I really appreciated doctor Taylor because we got to talk
about uh San Francisco and also what the city council
did on reparations. Rick's reaching out to us, Rix and
Laurel Maryland's online three Grand Rising and Rick, you're on
with doctor Taylor.

Speaker 17 (02:36:22):
Grand he is a taste here Morning Time with Jama
with Jama said, yeah, by Gane gook here doctor Taylor,
you on it, man, look real clear Donnie Simpson has
a new podcast out, and uh, he was on there
talking to Sry Shrry Foster, whatever the name.

Speaker 9 (02:36:38):
Man.

Speaker 17 (02:36:39):
They were reminiscent about the video Soul Days, and he
he was telling the story about when Martina Navratulova and
Billy Jane King flew he and Sugar Ray Leonard out
to some tennis event. Uh uh some I guess it
was a gayla or something. And at the table there
was it was the richest guy that trying to play

(02:37:00):
as a woman. And you know, a lot of people
at the table. He knew everybody, but he didn't know
who Bill Cosby was. He said, I'm sorry, so I
don't know who you are, and Bill Cosby said, he's good.
Bill Cosby said, or my wife loved you. But the
point of matter, this guy's cappin. I was I wish
Sugar Ray had a box eight ls boxing glove just

(02:37:21):
gave him a body check. But saying he didn't know who.

Speaker 9 (02:37:26):
Cody Cosby was sitting at.

Speaker 17 (02:37:27):
That table, that's absolutely ridiculous, man, Donnie needed to stop capping.
But anyway, why is he hanging out with those folks? Anyway,
Marxina Nava was a little Billy, Jean King and Renee
Richard and Shogar Ray with him. That's all I got that.
Donnie just capping, man, it's Donny's new podcast.

Speaker 9 (02:37:45):
Have a good I mean we said this with when
we see this with with Latinos and Asians in the
twenty twenty four election, right, a lot of you know,
Latinos and Asians sold out to be approximate or adjacent
to white witness and they celebrated it, you know, and
until the backfight. And that's what's going on now, all.

Speaker 1 (02:38:07):
Right, sixteen away from the top there, Ken's calling from
Florida's online One Grand Rise from Kenyon on with doctor
Taylor Grand Rising.

Speaker 8 (02:38:15):
Thank you for taking my car. Doctor. You know, I
did some research.

Speaker 20 (02:38:21):
Last night and black people are last in academic achievement
among the children. We are last in housing ownership, we
are last in healthcare.

Speaker 6 (02:38:37):
So I would I called to.

Speaker 20 (02:38:40):
Say this, uh, and we're going to continue that. We're
last and income. We're going to continue that until we
understand what Malcolm X meant that land is the basis
of independence and that a real revolution a real revolutionary

(02:39:01):
wants land to set up his own nation. And he
goes through in his speech, he goes through like what
was the American revolution for land? The French revolution? Okay,
So I think as long as we keep our objectives
as focused on the political process and integrating into this

(02:39:26):
progress process, we are going to remain in the conditions
that we are in until we understand. Even the reparation people,
I don't hear them talking about land. I hear a
few talking about land as being a part of the
reparations that we should get.

Speaker 6 (02:39:47):
And so.

Speaker 8 (02:39:49):
That's all I.

Speaker 20 (02:39:49):
Wanted to say. Land is the basis of independence and
it would stop some of these issues that we have.

Speaker 8 (02:39:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (02:39:58):
I don't agree completely with Malcolm on that, because Malcolm
is not acknowledging seriously the American situation of black people
as a minority. Land is the basis of independence. Of
you the majority, but if you're a minority, Land is
not going to get you independence. There's no example of it.
The Irish were enslaved for seven hundred years under the British.

Speaker 3 (02:40:20):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:40:22):
In fact, we should be talking about minority rights and
the rights that minorities have in a racist society. We
should have special rights, We should have all kinds of
special rights to protect us we'll give you an example, Caul.
If you look at the origin of guns in Europe
in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, the initial rights to
bear arms was for minorities, religious minorities like the Protestants

(02:40:45):
in some countries and Catholics and other countries. Depending if
they were a minority, they had gun rights, not the majority.
Why does the majority need gun rights? The minorities need
gun rights to protect ourselves from the majority. In a
just system, America would acknowledge the wrong it's done. But
you got a white of rebel in history who refuses

(02:41:11):
to share the wealth with everybody. So we last in
this area, we'll last in that area. Well, truth is,
you know we're in a predicament. And fortunately that's not
one side fits all across Black America because there are
plenty of places where black people and young people are
thriving and doing well. We just don't get the publicity

(02:41:34):
around them. All kinds of For example, if you go
to AAU track, not basketball. If you go to AAU
track as a black person and watch the track event
from seven in the morning till about five in the evening,
you're going to see grandmother's, grandfather's mother's father's uncles, cousins,

(02:41:57):
all black rooting for one child, and they'll spend eight
hours waiting for that child to run a five second
to ten second race. In other words, if black people
went to see AAU track, they would have much more
hope in their young people because they would see young
girls all beauty fired up, like the sister of Chikai Richardson.

(02:42:19):
She comes from this, you know. And all the little
girls when they run, they always flashy, They got extra hair,
extra racing. You know, the nails like flow Joe that.

Speaker 4 (02:42:31):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:42:31):
The girls are a style when they race, but they race,
they run. The boys don't get dressed up. The boys
just run right. My point to you, call is most
black people have no idea that if you went to
AAU track you would see a positive black world of
hundreds of Black people, thousands of them standing behind their

(02:42:52):
children for all day for one minute race or one
minute shot put or you know five foot long jump,
I mean a five second long jump. And there are
black people that volunteer for these kinds of things. So
if you're feeling hopeless, I'm saying to you, as a
Black person about our youth, go to an AU track
event and then call me or me, I mean email

(02:43:15):
me and tell me if you don't see a different,
different future for our people. You go to au Track
and you're gonna see hope. You're gonna see young girls
and young boys racing to win and win in life.
So don't let these devils convince us that the sky
is falling. The sky has been falling on us for
five hundred years, and we've been strong enough to keep
it from crushing us.

Speaker 1 (02:43:35):
All right, hold up the right there. I want you
to inform us what happened in your city, San Francisco.
We know the lights are out last week and other
guys are getting a lot of rain, but also the
city council is past the reparations man to share that
with us.

Speaker 9 (02:43:47):
Thought, Yeah, that's really interesting because on one hand, I'm
excited because I was. If you look up the Reparations Committee,
I'm the first person in the out of twelve people,
I'm in seat number one of the sky seat, and
that everybody from the reparations committee represented like homelessness, incarcerated persons, elders,

(02:44:07):
somebody representing foster care. So the committee had all these
different kinds of people on it. Basically lent him Breed
and Joe Biden and Gavin Newsom killed reparations in the
twenty four election because they didn't wanted to backfire and
cause more white rage and more Democrats to withdraw themselves.
But what happened is the original person's a sponsor.

Speaker 6 (02:44:29):
Then.

Speaker 8 (02:44:30):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 9 (02:44:30):
The idea of reparations in San Francisco came from Amos Brown,
Reverend Amos Brown a third Baptist church. He just retired
from the church as pastor and ahead of the NACP
in San Francisco. But it was his idea originally, long
story short, we thought we were defeated. They ended our committee.
But out of nowhere Shaman Walton, who was a congress

(02:44:53):
of a city councilman from the Hunter's Point section of
black San Francisco. He founded a parliamentary mechanism to put
forth an ordinance that could be voted on by the
city and it was voted on by a committee and
put on the Mayor's desk and the mayor's signed it.
But here's the problem called when Gavin Newsom was mayor

(02:45:15):
of San Francisco, we had a thing called the Slavery
Disclosure ordinance. So if anybody looks up San Francisco sd
O Slavery Disclose Your Ordinance, they're going to see that
it's an annual report since two thousand and six. For
the last nineteen years, I was on that committee and
on the Reparations Committee, and that committee the sdo OH

(02:45:36):
in it is ordinance. What they did in San Francisco
this week is no different. It's just an ordinance. It's
not a law, it's not a rule, it's not a policy.
It's an ordinance that's not enforceable. So the original ordinance
of two thousand and six is called the Slavery Disclosure Ordinance.
We so every company that comes into San Francisco that

(02:45:56):
has any ties of slavery historically has to self report.
If you go on the city Administrator's website, you'll see
the Slavery Disclosure Ordinance listed, and you'll see all the
companies in San Francisco who admit they had some part
in slavery. For example, Bank of America admits that they
had owned about nineteen different companies and banks and insurance

(02:46:18):
companies that engage in slavery. So then what the Slavery
Disclosure Ordinance of two thousand and six said okay, put
some money in the fund voluntarily. We're not going to
force you to, but voluntarily. Well, it's been nineteen years
and I don't know if anybody's ever put any money
in it. So basically, what this new ordinance is is
that it's redundant. And that's what I told them. This

(02:46:40):
is redundant what we did in two thousand and six.
Because again, when you open the reparations package from twenty
twenty three, you're going to see on the first page
is the mention of the two thousand and six Slavery
Disclosure Ordinance. So what I'm saying is this is just
another ordinance. The difference is the first one was volunteer,

(02:47:02):
so if Bank of America or US Bank or Wells
Fargo wanted to give, they could. This new ordinance says
you can't give if you want to. But there's also
a government angle where government will invest in this fund.
So that's the genius of it is to get it

(02:47:22):
into the bureaucracy. Once you get it into the apparatus
of government at the city level, now ain't nobody gonna
be watching it. Just like a slavery disclosing the ordinance.
For all I know, I could have nineteen million dollars
in it. I ain't never checked, right, So my point
is what the key is now and that can work
both ways. That could be good. In other words, what

(02:47:44):
we did this time is got it into government. It's
been passed into government, so it exists in government now
when ain't nobody watching Black people of Shaman, Walton.

Speaker 17 (02:47:55):
And other.

Speaker 9 (02:47:57):
Allies have to sneak money in that one. We fund
that front and ain't nobody gonna be watching it? So
they canna put fifty million dollars in that front and
then distribute it out to the black community elders first,
and that's what you know. I hope they do. Hope
they put me on that committee because I definitely would
encourage us to, you know, raise the money and give

(02:48:17):
it to the elderly first and then and then to
young people and things of that sort. But we do
have a new ordinance in San Francisco that does recognize
reparations for Black Americans and the question is, you know,
can we get them, Can we get the account attached
to the ordnance funded? And if we can, then we won.

Speaker 4 (02:48:40):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:48:40):
Five away from the top there Mike's on in DC. Mike,
can you make you a question for doctor doctor Taylor
real quick? For us, it's Mike downline too.

Speaker 4 (02:48:51):
Not hear Mike?

Speaker 1 (02:48:52):
All right, doctor, let me just read one of tweet questions.
Tweeter says, please ask doctor Taylor, why don't the various
black think tanks in this country have an annual convention
for agreements on action plans for blacks?

Speaker 9 (02:49:05):
And that's what that's what's needed. That's what Gary, That's
what Gary was. Jesse ruined it, Shirley Chisholm runed it,
and the Mary Baraka ruined it again. A lot of
black women love Shirley Chisholm, unbowed and none bought. But
that attitude took one third of the you know, just
became divisive. And then Jesse with an afro talking about

(02:49:27):
I don't want no Democrat, I don't want no Republicans.
I want a Black political party. That's what Jesse said.
He said, I want a Black political party. And Richard
Hatcher and Diggs and all the other black congressmen and
women are there, and then Jesse runs right to McGovern's
campaign and we've been stuck in the Democratic Party ever since.
If Jesse goes independent. In nineteen eighty four, we didn't

(02:49:51):
have an independent black political party called the Rainbow Coalition Party,
and that's the same party that elected Barack Obama in
to office. You took out the Rainbow from the Democrats,
all you got is two racist white parties in America.
What makes the Democrats less racist is the presence of
blacks in it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:11):
And that is something to ponder. Doctor Taylor. When's your
book coming out? Your next book?

Speaker 9 (02:50:16):
It's gonna be in twenty six. I'm looking at the
galleys right now, which means the final stage, and then
I send it back to them and then it comes
out and hard for them. So I will the day
I get it, I promise you I will. We're going
to talk about it. But again, Stephen A. Smith scramble
his name to ass instead of SAS and make it

(02:50:37):
ass and realize black people have a black common sense,
and that's what I'm talking about. We know what Nicki
Minaj did is wrong. We know what Kanye did was wrong.
We know what Snoop did was wrong. We know from
our black common sense that what Nicki Minaj is doing

(02:50:58):
is wrong. And it's because of that Black common sense,
which was Gary in seventy two. We do have a
perspective sadly because they ran. Because Jesse ran into the Democrats,
we don't have a independent party. The other option was
should we have a black presidential strategy? So that's what
comes out of Gary is the idea of a black

(02:51:19):
presidential strategy. And Jesse ran and paved the way for
Obama and for Kamala. But that's because of the Gary Convention.
Why did we get Obama because Gary in nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 1 (02:51:31):
Right, And let's ponder on that until next time, doctor Taylor,
because we flat out of time. Just want to thank
you for all the information you laid on us this morning.
Thank you, doctor Taylor. Family. That's it for the day.
Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in
Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV

(02:51:52):
on AM fourteen fifty WOL

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