Dr. Jerome Fox Joins Us to Discuss His Best-Selling Workbook on Social Issues

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're prating with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're facing with the most submiss.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Grin Rising, family, and thanks for checking in with us
on this last day of July. Later, clinical psychologist doctor
Jeromey Fox or take over our classroom. Doctor Fox is
the author of the best selling workbook Addicted to White
The Oppressed in League with the Oppressor, a shame based alliance.
But before we hear from doctor Fox, the Chamber of
Commerce official from the Space Coast in Florida, Victoria Jones,

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will preview the business group's big weekend meeting in Washington, DC.
He also tell us about how the Chamber of Commerce works.
Before we hear from Victoria, though Jackie Carter from the
Children's Legacy Theater also join us as well. Eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Keep that number handy,
You're going to need that number of the just go
to see. Yeah, Kevin's got the keys to the classroom
door again this morning, grind Rising.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Kevin, that gets me every time. Keys to the glass
room door. What about the building itself, the university? How
do we get in there? How do we get in?
Just eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight seventy six.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh, that we'll get you.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Those are the keys.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, and graduation is a long way away because it's
all about improvement.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
So it's all about the learning.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
And that's the biggest room in the university is the
room for improvement.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right, That's right. And if you notice, Kevin, there's a
learning curve, you know, especially with some of our new listeners. Yeah,
we hand the chance to hear on Brout or doctor Wilson,
doctor Clark or stop scholars you know, some of them
behind the curve, but they're catching up. We're trying, We're
trying to help them.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, exactly. That's there's joy and repetition. So they definitely
get a chance to not only take notes, but hear
it again and gain another perspective because as a collector
we ask different questions when we can get through at
one eight hundred four five zero seven eight seven six.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
So how you feeling today? Can I'm still learning, Kevin
about yourself?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, like I said, that's the improvement about it all.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
Man.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
I'm just pleased there's punch.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Feeling excellent to be here today on this Thursday, the
last day of July, Man, I tell you, and the
House Democrats are suing the Trump administration for blocking access
to ice facilities.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
What's that about. Yeah, that's in Baltimore or Maryland, I
should say. You know, some of the Maryland elected officials
are doing that because they will refuse access to the
ice facilities. But some folks, you know, this is this
whole thing with the ice dealing. Some folks are saying
that you didn't you didn't come that strong for reparations,
you know. You know, we don't see them fighting for

(03:17):
We're talking about Maryland that we're talking about the Black
Cemetery and befest that we're not seeing you guys throw
down like that, but you're doing it for ice, you know.
So there's questions in the black community looks twice about that,
and they see the fight that it's not they disagree
with it when we're all this strength and vigor that
you have, you know, for fighting for the immigrants and
now fighting for black folks. So's there's a sort of

(03:38):
a division there in the black community. And this is
one of the things we're going to ask the doctor
Fox when it comes on Kevin, because you know, black
communities is basically just sitting by and watching all this
chaos take place in Washington. So it's going to be
interest in conversation later with doctor Fox.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, this is definitely right along his line of expertise.
As we can see, you're right there making all this
extra steps. And it's because they didn't have access to that,
whereas the I've always thought you can't sue the president,
and yet the president is bringing all of these lawsuits.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, but he can sue. He's suing as you know,
the Wall Street Journal in ruper Murdoch is. A few
days ago, he told I've given them fifteen days to
you know, he's better respond and murdochs just shrugged his shoulders.
And the next time we hear the Trump says that
the Murdock, this Wall Street journally wants to settle, settle.
You bought the suit. They want to settle. You know,

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you bought the suit.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I see, yeah, right, Yeah, if you bring a suit
and they want to settle, it's almost winning by default.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Is that what right? I think it worked for him
with CBS Kevin and with ABC at some point NBC.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, because yeah, they settled for sixteen million dollars took
h what's his name, Stephen Colbert off the air of
the Late Show. More important than Colbert, that whole late
show series that was made iconic by David Letterman. And
now there'll never be another late night show for a

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while because of that settlement, and other late night talk
show hosts are maybe in the eyesight of that as well.
So right, so, now he's a litigant. He thinks that
he can litigate anything. But the Florida's free speech law
could aid the Wall Street Journal in the Trump defamation
suit because because they have the the slap law, strategic

(05:41):
lawsuit against public participation, and so it deters from founding
frivolous lawsuits like this.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Right and again the defense, as a constitutional attorney told us,
the only defense against libel and Slanta is the truth
and nothing but the truth. The truth. You know, he
did it with reckless disregard for the truth, and you
get you get slapped down. And of course the Wall
Street Journals has attorneys, Rupert Murdoch has attorneys, and they've
fact checked the story before they printed, probably several times.

(06:10):
They cross it over and over. So if he wants
to go through with the lawsuit, and then have to
be deposed. You know, we'll see how this plays out
or someone. More and more and more information about Epstein
is coming out every day. There's something else. It's like
it's trickling out every day. We'll find it because now
he says I wasn't on the island. You know who

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cares and.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
He said he turned down the invitation to go, and
many many more claims as well. And look for more
distractions such as lawsuits and things of that nature. But
that's what's trending, inkurl. As we begin the morning, man,
thanks for your time. All right, we've got an expert

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standing by right now.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Let's say, okay, Victorias grind Rising, Welcome.

Speaker 8 (07:01):
To the program, and gentlemen, how are you?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
As you know, we're still learning and I know we're
going to learn some stuff this morning about the Black
Chamber of Commerce, especially in your area. You represent the
space Coast of Florida. For the folks that don't know
and not really great at geography, where is the space
coast in Florida?

Speaker 8 (07:21):
So the space coast or Florida Space Coast is Bravarre County,
and so for the folks that are still not familiar
with the state, of Florida. We used to be classified
as Central Florida, but we are in Bravarrec County, and
so if you've ever been to the Kennedy Space Center
or Cocoa Beach, that is our home county.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
All right, we've got that straight. Tell us now about
the chamber of commerce. Because you have a Black chamber
of commerce, does that mean they have a white chamber
of commerce. Here's a question too, do they call it
the white Chamber of Commerce or just call it the
what Brevard County or the Space County Chamber of Commerce?
How do they How do you differentiate from the other group?

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Is so?

Speaker 8 (08:01):
And then I get that question a lot. So, no,
you don't call them white chambers. Traditionally we've always had
just normal chambers of commerce, and so in Bavarc County
we do have our traditional local area chambers of Commerce.
And then you now have various chambers of commerce that

(08:22):
may specifically focus on certain communities. So there is a
Bavard County has a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, just like
we have a Black Chamber of Commerce and our niches
basically focused on our culture and our communities. There is
an Asian Chamber of Commerce. Over in Orlando they have

(08:43):
LGBTQ Chamber of Commerce. So I mean there are various
different chambers of commerce for minority shell I say, throughout
the country.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah. Ten off the top. That family of Victoria Joneses,
I guess this morning, this particular segment talking about the
chamber of Commerce, she represents one in Florida and Space Coast,
as you mentioned Brevard County in Florida, A question that
I did not know they had all these different kinds
of chamber of commerces. Are you concerned though, that you
may be a target for Donald Trump? You know, he

(09:16):
likes to go after these minority sort of enterprises that
are out there springing up.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
No.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
Our ancestors weren't scared when they stood up and fought
for us, and so I believe we are standing on
the shoulders of some amazing people, especially they're in Bevard County.
And so if you're going to be in this fight,
you can't be worried about Donald Trump or anybody else
that you know may have different views than we have.

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And so you know, if he does try to target us,
we welcome it because any praise is good price.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, But do people say why do you have to
have a black chamber of commerce? Like you know, we
why do you have to have a Black History Month?
Why do you have to have black rated, Why do
you have to have black Why does it have to
be black? They're the ones who discriminated against it, But
they're also asking why do we have a separate group?
What do you say to people when they ask you that?

Speaker 8 (10:13):
And you know that that question comes up a lot,
and it comes up even more surprisingly from other black people.
They're like, oh, we have to have a chamber, and
you know, I break everything down and I'm like, you
know a lot of the things that we see and
it's not the bad mouth any of the other chambers
of commerce. However, when our black businesses are going to

(10:36):
some of these chambers, they're being left out. There is
nobody advocating for them. Yes, our chambers they do go
to Tallahassee or Washington, d C. They're in the state
of Florida, you know, and they advocate for specific business
needs and for our chambers of commerce, Black chambers in

(10:57):
the state of Florida. So we actually have eighteen Black
Chambers of Commerce and the state of Florida. We also
have the Florida Association of Black Chambers of Commerce where
we have something called Black Chamber Day at the Capitol
where we go every legislative session for the past This
coming year will be five years that we've gone together
as a delegation to advocate for our black owned businesses

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throughout the state of Florida. And then of course my chamber,
the Space Coast Black Chamber Commerce, we go and we
meet with all of our state lawmakers, our state reps,
and our state senators. And this year we're actually working
on our very first appropriation to request two million dollars
in funding. I don't know if we're gonna get it,

(11:43):
because we have run the santas he might surprise some
of us. However, I'm going to make sure that they
tell us no and tell us why they're saying no.
If you don't ask, you're not going to receive. And
so we're traditionally getting left behind. The numbers are out.
I did hear you say we were here in Washington, DC.

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I am here in Washington, DC right now doing this interview.
And so the numbers are in within the last four years,
not even under the Trump administration. This was the Biden
Harris administration, six hundred and forty million dollars in government
contracts for quote unquote minorities was given away. And so

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out of that six hundred and forty million dollars, seventy
eight percent of those contracts went to white women. One
point eight percent of those contracts went to Asian businesses,
and Asians don't have as many businesses as African Americans.
We only received one point five percent of that spending,
with the Hispanic community coming in at one point seven percent.

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And then you have the different, of course classifications under
that minority tent, and so we are no longer accepting
that term minority. I recently went and met with one
of our congresion members for the eighth Congressional District, Congressman
Mike Herrodoppolis. He was very receptive of what I had
to say, and I was not shy about the conversation

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and what I was there for. And if we don't
have someone as black folks, black Americans, and I know
there's a conversation around the country about foundational Black Americans
and all that other stuff for FBAs, we don't have
time to get into the week, so that right now,
but what we do have time for is to let
these folks that are in office know that, hey, you know,

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we have not been receiving any of the money, and
so we don't want to be up under that minority
tent anymore when it comes to funding for our businesses,
because we've tried that song and dance a couple different
ways even under the rules of DEI, and so that
still didn't get us anywhere, because the funding under these

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tents are still going to other communities and not to
their intended audience. And so when folks say why I
explained those numbers, and then they definitely understand why we
need black chambers or commerce.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Wow, those numbers are astounding. Fifteen after the top, they
have family just waking up. I guess it's Victoria Jones
from the Chamber of Commerce in Florida, Befron County, the
Space Coast. Let me get that correct, Space Coast that
she represents in Washington. See they having a big meeting
this weekend or the Black Chamber of Commerces are all
coming together. So basically Victoria for the family. You're listening

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all over the country. Now, what does the Chamber of
Commerce do? What's their assignment?

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Okay, so for US, I can speak specifically for our
chamber because all of the chambers kind of have different missions.
We all have that advocacy piece of course for our
black owned businesses, but for the Space Coast Black Chamber
of Commerce, our mission is to empower and sustain black
owned businesses throughout Bavard County. We are proud members of

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the US Black Chambers of Commerce. That's who we are
here visiting with. This is the national convention. It is
their sweet sixteen. So the USBC has been in existence
for sixteen years based out of Washington, DC. They are
doing some amazing work and it's spearheaded by they're founder

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president CEO run Busky. And then we are also members
of the US Chambers. Or if people are like, oh,
if there's a white chamber, we are part of the
US Chambers. We are also proud members of the Florida
Chamber of Commerce in the Florida Association of Black Chambers Commerce,
and we are dedicated to fostering economic growth and opportunity

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for our members and our partners, and we also invite
all entrepreneurs regardless of color. We do have businesses that
are not owned by black folks, but we call those
our community partners, because regardless if it's a white person
or a Hispanic person, they probably have black and playees.

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And so our chamber is an avenue for those types
of employers to have an outlet for their employers to
come to. So we have some of the larger banks
we have like Launch Credit in Community Credit in that
are just some of our local crediting TD Bank its

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will and so those entities have black employees sometimes.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
And Victoria hold that thought right there. I'll let you
finish that. Though we're got'na step aside for a few months.
We come back to I also want to talk about this.
It's been selected buying or boycotts, if you will, the
businesses and our system can affect you. For the Black
Chamber of Commerce, and when we have black groups, it's
talking about boycotting. Family. You can get in on this
conversation with Victoria Jones. Reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight, seventy six

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or seventeen after the top. That will take a calls.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Now, now now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's on this Thursday morning, this last day of July.
I guess The session is from the Chamber of Commerce
in Privard County or the space coach if you will,
in Florida. Name is Victoria Jones in Washington, d C.
For a big meeting for the US Black Chamber of Commerces. Well,
all these groups are coming together talk about business and
strategize how to get more business for the black community.

(17:36):
Before we left those she was telling me some of
the groups, some of the entities that she's working with.
You mentioned banks, So I'll let you continue that of Victoria,
thank you.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
So I was talking about, you know, a lot of
the entities that we may have that are traditionally not
considered a black own. They do have black employers and
so our chamber provides a space, a comfortable space for
with those employers, and they have been very receptive of
our Chamber of Commerce. We haven't had really any issue,

(18:08):
shall I say, with any of our members or from
the community in general, when it comes to the support
of having an organization in place for their black employees,
especially in these times.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
So yeah, I'm going to ask you this about the
selected buying or the boycotts, straight up boycotts. And we
know Jamal Brian in Atlanta's calling for boycotts at different groups.
Does that make your job harder? Because then you have
to deal with these You're trying to get businesses, you
know it, work at relationships with with these big mega groups,
and then you've got a group of folks who look

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like you were saying, hey, we're not doing business with you.
Does that make your job harder?

Speaker 8 (18:47):
Actually? Nt We are supporters of Pastor Brian in the
target fast that he did what he's currently still doing.
Shall I say?

Speaker 9 (18:57):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (18:57):
The US Black Chambers is part partner with Pastor Mind
on that particular project, and so our chamber has probably
signed on to that particular boycott. I have my personal
opinions on how you know and who we should boycott. However,
we should stand in solidarity alongside, you know, with Pastor

(19:22):
Brian in the US Black Chambers because a lot of
these entities, they did make us some promises, especially during
the height of DEI and I can actually stay locally
in Bavarre County. There weren't a lot of organizations that
were running programs for DEI and having DEI pianels and

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and once our governor said, you know, hey, it's illegal
in the state of Florida to talk about this stuff.
It went away and nobody fought for us. And so
that's when our chambers of commerce we had to stand.
We are standing in the paint right now dealing with this.
And so, like I said, if nobody speaks up for

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our black businesses, we're not going to get the support
that we need. And so, yes, when we go to Tallahassee,
when I was in Tallahassee in March with our lawmakers
talking about what it is that we need asking for,
you know, funding, we know that it's going to be
a hard battle, especially with some of the folks that

(20:26):
are in office. However, we have to speak up because
nobody is standing up for us. And as I said
before the break under the minority tent, we are still
being put last when we were technically supposed to be
at the top of the food chain after you know,
our civil rights movements and all that good stuff, and

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we're we're still getting I can't even say crumbs, because
one point five percent out of sixty four million dollars
and government contracts is a slap in the.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Face, Yes it is. But what can be done? Because
if they're the ones who hold the cars They decide
who gets what and who doesn't. They decide how much
you get and what can we do it? You know,
because many of us we don't know this information. We're
hearing this for the first time that we got with
and it didn't start with Trump, as you mentioned, it
was started in the Biden administration as well. And if

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you got I think if you guys had on the
national level let the black community know that this was
going on, I think you've gotten more support because many
of us are hearing this for the like I mentioned,
it's just for the first time this morning.

Speaker 8 (21:31):
Yes, and so those numbers just came out. The USBC
did some pressing and finally the government released the numbers.
And so that's what you know. I love Kamala Harris.
I thought she was wonderful. However, those numbers are the numbers,
and so you know, we do deserve those answers. And

(21:52):
so the US Black Chamber actually has something called the
black Print, and it is our annual policy book that
is released. You can actually go on to their website.
They are located at USBC dot org or us excuse me,
US Black Chambers dot org and that information is on

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there and you can look up the policy book and
see what it is that the USBC is doing. They
have the statistics broken down. And so we are doing
our due diligence at the local level, especially at my chamber.
We have partner with all three branches of the NAACP
there in Bevarre County, and we are organizing early. Even

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though you know, we can't take a stance because of
our we are a five oh one C six. The
NAACPS out their local branches are five O one C fours.
We can't specifically get behind certain candidates because of the
party affiliations. However, we can advocate as a community behind
the issues. And so right now, how we're mobilizing early

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because a lot of the times within our black communities,
people come to us right before it's time to vote.
You might have someone that's local that may have a
sheet where they have some recommended names, and so we
are trying to educate our folks in our community on
the issues. And so what we're doing is we're going

(23:23):
to start launching various codports within our community to do
basic civics trainings so people can understand just basic government
because sometimes you know, it may they may reach out
to their city council member about an issue. And it's
not a city council issue. It may be the county

(23:45):
commission issue or even a state level issue. And so
I believe that one of the things, and this can
be applied to any community across the country. We need
to mobilize, and we need to mobilize now and edge
our people on what is happening at these fire levels.
Because traditional people, our grandmas and aunties, they're not they

(24:08):
don't know these numbers. However, if they're involved INAACP, if
they go to church, these pastors, the civil rights movement
was started in the pool pit, so our pastors need
to be ensuring that they are getting this information and
being involved and having conversations. Get with your paster coalitions
and find out what you need to do to help

(24:31):
your folks because some of their parishioners are small business
owners and so you know, we all need to come together.
And I know it's not going to be easy because
like I said, I know there's conversations happening right now
with you know, we're SBA's and we all should you know,
be talking about the Pan Africanism and sticking together. That

(24:54):
is a great conversation. But for right now, for us
that are here in America, we need to mobilize and
you need to educate our people, says and in a
hurry before the mid turns in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
All right, twenty eight after top of our family, just
waking off. Victoria Jones's with us from the Chamber of
Commerce in this from the Space Center in Florida. Have
a big meeting the US Black Chamber of Commerce, and
she's in Washington, d C. For that meeting. So I
got to ask you this though, because we talked. We
talked about the one point five million that she said
was in the Biden administration. I had to look up
who was Biden's Commerce secretary, So the one guy named

(25:27):
Gina Ramonomodo, ramy Mundo or something like that. She made
the decision. Do you think it somehow you make a
decision like that, who gets what? Because that's what politics
she's all about, who guts what?

Speaker 9 (25:39):
Wear?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
And when she made the decision just to give our
community one point five what was the total budget for
the Commerce Department for black businesses?

Speaker 8 (25:49):
Again, so for the set aside for government contract so
federal government contracts six hundred and forty million dollars was
allocated during that timeframe. In the last four years out
of that, black owned businesses received one point five percent
of that six hundred and forty million dollars. And so

(26:13):
I know you mentioned you know, the Commerce secretary, but
also during that administration in twenty twenty, forty one percent
of black owned businesses were forced to close their doors,
taking the biggest hit than any other demographic. Fifty seven
percent of black owners are denied capital compared to forty

(26:34):
percent of their white, white non employer business owners. And
a lot of those businesses are going to the SBA.
So when we were specifically speaking about COVID, for instance,
when the PPP funding came out, black owned businesses received
less than ten percent of that funding, actually five point

(26:55):
six percent of the funding, to be specific. That once
again is a lack in the face. We have to
look at who was in office during that time. I
know Trump was transitioning, then we had to Biden Harris administration.
And so when we have these folks that we're voting for,
we have to make sure that we're allowed and telling
them what it is that we want and not just

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giving away our votes, especially in this upcoming midterm election
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Gotcha thirty minutes at the top of our family just
waking up. I guess it's Victoria Jones. Victoria represents the
Space Coast the Black Chamber of Commerce, and she said,
there is another Chamber of Commerce, but this is for
our folks. That's what they're representing. And they're in Washington,
DC this weekend for the US Black Chamber of Commerces
big meeting, and they're talking about businesses helping black businesses.
What are your thoughts? Reach out to us and join

(27:43):
the conversation At eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Mike's on like line two. It's calling from Washington, DC.
Grind Rising. Mike, you're on with.

Speaker 10 (27:52):
Victoria Grant Rod's mister Nelson and Miss Victoria and Position
Chevin doing a bun administration out of the Green New
Deal stuff that they had, uh you know for the
the electric cars, the power plants just was to build
stuff like that. There was over a billion dollars that
was given to.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
For that for that.

Speaker 10 (28:14):
Department and they only built four power stations. They can't
find all the money and all that money A lot
of that money was supposed to go to black businesses,
but she said with Victoria, that information never got out
to the black people to apply for those loans to
get those electric stations and stuff like that. So, you know,
I hope that information can get out there this time

(28:36):
for the new parents and everything that's coming through. The
information should be semming it out there so all people
get benefits for that. I really do believe they can
get some of that money.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
All right, let's give a chance for respe on. Thanks
Mike Victoria.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
I agree with everything she just said. Last year I
had an opportunity to come here to Washington, d She
with the Southern Economic Groundtable, and basically that group comprises
of a lot of your black chambers of commerce, different
civic black civic organizations, your pastoral coalitions, NAACP, and so forth.

(29:12):
And so we actually went and met with the Energy
Department and we advocated for our black owned businesses, and
we asked where were these dollars, Like we hunted down
the dollars and we asked we went individual SBA, the
Department of Energy, Department of Parks, like there are so
many different government agencies that have money, you know, for

(29:34):
our businesses. However, that information is not being put out there.
And then of course we are still under that minority tent.
And that's the biggest issue when you start tracking any
of the money, regardless of if it's looking energy or
if it's put into you know, commerce, whatever infrastructure. When

(29:55):
we're talking about the contracts, because we have to remember
and if people don't know, the governm does not produce anything.
Our government has to do contracts and get other folks
to provide services to its people. And so with that
and all these different set asides that are under the government,

(30:17):
like he was seeing the billion dollars from the energy,
you have folks that are quote unquote classified minorities. They
are receiving the money. The money didn't disappear into thin air.
Somebody else got it. And our folks are not being
privy to getting this funding. And there are a few
different you know, layers to it. However, you know, the

(30:41):
biggest point is we are not getting these dollars, and
we deserve to have an opportunity to fairly compete for
our federal contracts and to be able to get available
set aside dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
All right. Twenty six away from the top of our family,
just checking in. I guess there's Victoria's john the Chamber
of Commerce in Brevard County, Florida, a space co center
of Florida, and she's in DC for a big meeting
with the US Black Chamber of Commerce trying to get
help out black businesses. Victoria got a tweet question for you.
Tweeted says, please ask you a guest. One of the

(31:16):
first things that Trump did was recend Affirmative Action for
federal contractors, and the tweet goes on to say this
has had a major impact on the small amount of
contracts black businesses received. We want to get you a
comment on that.

Speaker 8 (31:31):
I think she's referring to that AA program. Yes, that
did go away, and so we are still fighting dealing
with that. I know the USBC is definitely leading the
charge on that. Last year, there was an agreement for
MoU shows a memorimus understanding that was signed with the

(31:53):
Native Americans in their Chambers of Commerce because they actually
have different federal contracts than we do. They're not even
under the A program anymore, and so we have to
fight for what other groups are receiving. The Asians go

(32:17):
to Washington, d C. And advocate. They're receiving fundy. The
Hispanics are going to either Washington, DC or Tallahassee or
whatever their state capital is, they're receiving funding. We are
the only ones that are getting Like I said, I
can't even call them cromes because we're barely eating.

Speaker 10 (32:37):
We only have how much other here?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Why is that though, we don't have a lobbyists for
us to argue for us and fight for us in
DC and the state capitals.

Speaker 8 (32:47):
So we do have lobbyists. I know the USBC they
have lobbyists that deal with both sides, and so they
are doing their due diligence. Once again, it goes back
to politics and who is in office. And that's what
I was saying before our prior break, that our folks do,
they really do need to mobilize in our communities and

(33:09):
we need to be making sure that we are selecting
candidates that will push our agenda and advocate for our issues,
regardless of their party. And I think we've kind of
been voting in blocks and we have to look at
where that is getting us right. So some people may traditionally,

(33:29):
especially in the black community, of many of our folks
who traditionally vote Democrat. We have to start holding their
feet to the fire too. One of I have a
business as well outside of outside of the chamber. I
have a business called Launch Strets, and I actually do
government consulting and political strategy for candidates. Most of my

(33:51):
clients or candidates are asking American candidates. I can honestly
say that I have seen how you know, some of
these parties are treating our black candidates and so they
have their peaks as well that they want to put
in office. I'm gonna say they certain parties regardless if

(34:13):
it's a Democrat or Republican. So we do we really
do need to mobilize. We also need to be if
someone is in office, maybe you know there's somebody that
has been in office for a very long time, you know,
maybe a black politician, they should be trying to mentor
the next generation and teach them how government works and

(34:35):
how that position works that they're in, and trying to
reach back and pull someone else up into those positions
so that we have representation at every level of our government.
Because we can get funding from federal, state, and local government.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't want to do we got to step aside
and get caught up with the latest news trafficking weather
at different cities. It's twenty two minutes away from the
top th family. I guess she's Victoria Jones. She represents
the Chamber of Commerce down in Florida and she's in Washington,
d C. For a big minage of the US Black
Chamber of Commerce. They're trying to get businesses for our
Black companies. What are your thoughts? You can check in

(35:13):
on this conversation with eight hundred and four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and I'll take your phone calls
after the latest news of trafficking weather.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
It's next.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks of waking up with us
on this Thursday morning, this last day of July twenty
twenty five. I guess right now is Victoria Jones from
the Space Coast in Florida. She represents the Chamber of
Commerce there and she's in the DC for a big
meeting with the US Black Chamber of Commercey all these
chamber of commerces getting together trying to figure out how
they can help out black businesses. You got to you

(36:09):
have a question for her or comment, reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
six before we go back to Victoria. Let me just
remind you. Coming up later this morning, I'm going to
speak a clinical psychologists, doctor jerome E Fox. Also, we're
going to hear from Jackie Carter from the Children's Legacy Theaters.
They have a program come up this week and they
want us to get involved in that as well. And tomorrow,
of course, it's Friday, and we're going to give you

(36:31):
a chance to another chance that is to free your mind.
And all that means to is a thing for yourself,
you know, instead of repeating stuff that you hear, you know,
check it out and then then come with us, because
we try to do is give you all the all
the angles, all the information, and then you make up
your own mind. We're not telling you what to believe,
or who not to support, or what issue not to support.
That's how we roll here on this program. But anyway,
we invite you to free your mind and join us

(36:52):
for our open for on Friday program again promptly at
six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten
ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV rnter nine
five point nine at am fourteen fifty WL. All right, Victoria,
I'll let you finish your thoughts. We sort of interrupted
you when we went check the news.

Speaker 11 (37:08):
Oh no, no, no, no one.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
Thing I did want to share with you too, mister Nelson.
It's some of the actions that we are taking here
at the Space Coast Black Chamber, and I know the
USBCS is working them and show we're working to ensure
equitable access to capital by holding financial institutions accountable for

(37:32):
addressing systematic racial biases, including higher interest rates and denial
rates faced by our black business owners. We and I
have just recently done this as well, advocated with our
congressional member for support to expand black broadcasting station ownerships
through the implementation of tax and centers that encourage black

(37:54):
media ownership. We've also urged the federal departments and agencies
to allocate federal advertising dollars to black on media companies. So,
just like before when you were seeing that a lot
of people don't know this information, and in your other
caller too said the same thing, we are asking for
that because they have advertising dollars at the federal, state

(38:17):
and local government that you of course as well as
a host could get. And they should be spending those
dollars with our black OneD media so that our folks
know what's going on. Because we all have a market
and we have our own audiences, and so everybody may
not listen to the same you know platforms. However, investing

(38:40):
in our media companies is crucial so that our people
can hear this information and stay informed.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
My good point thirteen away from the top. They sister
for him has joined us online seven. She's in Washington,
d C. She has a question or a comment fill
of Victoria grind Rising System for Hima. You're I'm a
Victoria Jones.

Speaker 12 (38:59):
Yes, good morning, mister Nelson, and good morning to your guests.
I think this is a really great discussion because a
lot of people in our community aren't familiar with the
Chamber of Commerce. You know, I'm familiar with the Harlem
Chamber of Commerce in New York, and I've often shared
the benefits and encursed business owners to check out the
Chamber of Commerce, particularly the black owned Chamber of Commerce.

(39:21):
But I wanted to say it's in two thousand and three,
as part of the Freedman's Savings and Loan Annual luncheon
that you know that commemorates the advent of the Savings
and the Freedman's Bank. In twenty twenty three, Kamala Harris
launched I think it was over eight billion dollars too. Yes,

(39:46):
and it's called Minority Owned Businesses. But the efforts was
focusing on black owned business because it was at the
Freedman's Annual Luncheon and it was a collaboration between the
FBLA particularly to address because the reason why a lot
of those businesses weren't under as your guests mentioned, is
because of the advent of COVID. COVID had a devastating

(40:08):
impact on black owned businesses in particular, and to add
insult to the injury this administration, one of the first
things that they did is they rescinded the government contracting
aspect of the Civil Rights legislation. Yes, it was a
small number that black businesses acquired, but there was an

(40:33):
effort in two thousand and three at that Freedman's Luncheon
to ameliorate the situation. So in lieu of that information,
in terms of this administration rescinding that aspect of the
Civil Rights Bill and the devastating impact what I mean,
in this particular climate they're in, how do you strategically

(40:56):
anticipate addressing this situation because the funding that was made
available by the prior administration to addresses it just has
been rescinded.

Speaker 8 (41:08):
So thank you for that question, sister. It has been
a battle, shall I say, with this new administration. And
for me, I'm in the state of Florida, so I
know folks they talk about Trump. I have the scientists
and some more interest in people in my space.

Speaker 11 (41:27):
We call them dissatan.

Speaker 13 (41:30):
Yeah, I've heard that name too.

Speaker 8 (41:32):
So we're working as diligently as we can. Like you said,
they've wrote back a lot of stuff right out of
the gate, and so I think that when they did that,
of course, when people hear that word minority, they quickly
assume it's just black folks. And so you know, now

(41:55):
you have a lot of folks that are panicking because
that funding affected them and affected their lives. I don't
think that, you know, when they was voting for the president,
they thought that, you know, some of this stuff wasn't
going to touch them. However, you know, all we can
do is fight and try to educate our people right
now and try to get folks in the office that

(42:17):
you know, we'll try to advocate for us. Right now,
we don't have anybody, and so as we go to
our state legislators into our federal government, all we can
do is just keep coming and coming and coming and
coming until we get someone. We're gonna especially from the

(42:38):
state of Florida, we are working with the Congressional Black Caucus.
Our state also has their local Black elected caucus. We're
going to be leading with them in November to come
up with a strategic plan. We met with them back
in March in Tallahassee to ask them like, hey, what
are you guys doing in our statehouses? What you know bills?

(43:02):
Are you all pushing all you guys getting any allocations
for any of our black chambers? Are black businesses. We
could clearly pool the record and see that they were
advocating for the Jewish community, the Hispanic community, but nobody
was advocating for us as African Americans, and they were
asking Americans. So that was even more frustrating, you know,

(43:27):
coming from you know, my standpoint. However, once again, I
believe that educating our people and getting good folks into
our government that will advocate and fight for us as
a people is definitely important.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
All right, Well, thank you for taking my call and responding,
But you know, I just want to reiterate there was
an effort to address those black owned businesses that had
lost revenue during COVID in two thousand, twenty twenty three
at that Friedman's Forum lunching, and all of that has

(44:05):
been wiped away, and we really need to acknowledge the
fact that they were efforts made to address this and
where we are now.

Speaker 8 (44:14):
I agree she did she really did try. I will
give former Vice President Harris that she really did try
to advocate for our black owned businesses. I had an
opportunity to work alongside with her last year prior to
her leaving.

Speaker 10 (44:33):
And so it is.

Speaker 8 (44:36):
Discussing and disheartening at the same time to see a
lot of the efforts that she put into place and
tried to put into place, but she only had but
so much power. And I think that we have to
remember that that she only could do so much because
she was not the president.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
All right, all right, seven minutes away from the topic,
I got a tweet question for you. You mentioned the
other groups of getting help. This tweet says, please ask
your guests, how are Latino Americans advancing economically? Any government
supporter they're getting any special government support, because it's you know,
that's the that's the thought process that they've they've surpassed us.

(45:12):
They just got here yesterday, if you will, and then
they surpassed us. We have their own businesses that you
talked about, broadcasts, their own TV networks, supermarkets, stuff that
we don't have. And we've been here for quite some time.
So I guess that's the genesis of the tweet question
from Darren.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
So the Hispanic community, that that's interest and conversation. They're
kind of having their own thing within their community, just
like we are, like I said, with the whole SBA
and the Pan Africanism uh stuff. And so they are
receiving more funding than this. But we have to also

(45:52):
look at how many folks they have in government. They
have mobilized, I will give them that, especially in our
state of Florida, uh, South Florida for instance, the Hispanic community, Uh,
they mobilize. They get their folks into office rather if
it's at the municipality level, state level, and then of

(46:13):
course they're in the federal government and so their lawmakers
are advocating for their you know, communities and for their culture.
And so once again it goes back to us as
well as as black folks, African Americans, of educating our
people and making sure that we have folks that are

(46:35):
in office that will advocate for us. We are working
with Puerto Rico actually now has a Black Chamber of Commerce.
So they have the Puerto Rico Black and Latin Chamber
of Commerce and we have partner with them, and so
that chamber, even though they have that Latin aspect, they

(46:56):
are fighting for Afro Latinos to have a voice at
the table within the Hispanic community as well. So, you know,
I really don't know the dynamics over there. However, I
do know that their elected officials aren't advocating for them,
and they are receiving funding. They may not receive a
lot more than us, but they are receiving money and

(47:19):
they have less businesses than we do. We have the
most businesses. We have been here the longest and we
are still getting less than crimes.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, it's simple answer. If they stay on code, they
don't care if they're Cuban, Dominican, Puerto Rican. It's on
the Hispanic they're taking care of them. We've got groups
fighting by who's black, who's not black enough, who's been
here longer? The stuff that I was discussed on the plantation.
Who just got off the ship or who's been here?
Who was born here? All that distraction while other folks

(47:50):
are moving ahead of us. So folks wanting to hear
that kind of conversation just kick it to the curb
four away from the top. They al though, Victoria, I
got to ask you about tariffs your group. Are you
talking about our traps? Because the tomorrow is the day
that Donald Trump said all these folks are gonna come up.
If they don't come up, they we're going to have
tash if you discuss the implications of what these taps

(48:10):
will mean to our community as a as a Black
Chamber of Commerce. You're in Florida and the US Chamber
of Black Chamber of Commerce. This meeting this weekend is
this one of the on the agenda. And I'll tell
you what holy your response because us looking at the
clock here, we've got to check the traffic and weather
in our different cities. When we come back. Let you
respond to that. Family. YouTube can join our conversation with

(48:31):
Tory Jones from the Space Goes Chamber of Commerce reach
out to us at eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and what ticket calls after
the trafficking weather update, that's next.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
You're racing with the most awesommiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
You're racing with the most submiss yourself.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
He Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your day with us.
A two monities after the top there with Victoria Jones.
Victoria who represents the Space cohost Chamber of Commerce, the
Black Chamber of Commerce. I A should add that and
uh momentary, we're going to speak with the Children's Legacy
Theater find out what they got going on this weekend
as well. But she's in Washington, d C. For a
meeting with the US Black Chamber of Commerces. So all

(49:36):
the Black Chamber of Commerce around the country coming together
discuss how how they can, you know, you get more
business opportunities for our for our businesses. So, Victoria, before
we left for the Trafficking Weather update, my question to
you was about these tariffs that Donald Trump has given
them a worldwide travest by the way on certain countries
that today's the deadline or tomorrow they should have the deal.

(49:56):
The deals and and but the bottom line is not
what he's doing with the deals. The impact of the taps.
Is this something that the Chamber of Commerces as a
group have they been telling their you know, your different
different groups how to deal with it and the reaction
from the taps, How it's going to impact us, not
just a speciess bial but us as consumers.

Speaker 8 (50:18):
Yes, and so we've had various roundtables, specifically at my chamber.
I can't speak about the other chambers, but I know
at my chamber a lot of my members are filling
the effects of the tariffs. For instance, if you have
some of the young ladies that may have care products

(50:38):
that they may receive from different UH countries such as
China and so forth, they're feeling those effects. A lot
of a lot of our partners as well, they're feeling
those effects of the tears. I have had a conversation
with our congressional members there in Bavarre County. He understands it.

(51:03):
He is fighting as well against those tariffs, and so
I remember is fully aware of how that is affecting everybody.
It's not just the black owned businesses. It's affecting everyone,
and so that is one issue that I can stay
collectively as a business community in my county. We have

(51:25):
all gotten behind and are advocating for it because it's
affecting everybody across the board.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yes, you will for after top day out money. Mike's
checking in from Baltimore's online for Grand Rising money. Mike,
you're on with Victoria.

Speaker 14 (51:42):
The mortar calls the morte miss films. How you doing?

Speaker 8 (51:46):
I'm doing well in yourselfter?

Speaker 14 (51:48):
Okay, Miss Jones. I'd like to ask three questions. But
the first one is what are you doing and what
is your group or what is your particular group doing
to fight the terms when the president is the president?
Is what is a lobby? And why don't we have
a lobby, a particular organization or a pack the lobby

(52:09):
for us? Why does every other ethnic group have one,
but African Americans have failed for at least fifty years
to organize and get up a lobby to lobby on
all behalf as African Americans?

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Why is that?

Speaker 14 (52:22):
Those three questions that I'll take the response off there.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
When it comes. So for your first question with the tariffs,
we are a local organization. However, we are very loud
in our advocacy for our members and for our community
when it comes to those tears. However, yes, the president

(52:48):
is the president, but he can't just do whatever it
is that he wants. I know, there is a lot
of times when we turn on the TV and they're
like Trump has said this, or he put this out
on social media. That's a lot of smoke screens. You
have to remember these folks that are sitting in Congress
also play a role in this. I can't just give

(53:10):
Trump the you know, the glory for a lot of
this stuff. They are encouraging and I'm say they those
members that support him and get behind some of this
foolishness that he does, they're just as complicit. So we
need to make sure that we hold those members of
Congress accountable for their complicity and the foolishness that he's

(53:34):
doing that is hurting our country. Second question, you ask
what is a lobbyist. A lobbyist is a person who
has paid influence our government decisions, usually by advocating for
specific policies or legislation on behalf of their clients. And
so when it comes to the black community, there is
not one specific lobbyist. Lobbyists are very expensive if you

(53:59):
do a little bit of research, they normally are attorneys
that are lobbyists. You have other folks that are lobbyists
that may not be attorneys. My chamber, in particular, I
do have a lobbyist that sits on my board of directors.
He is amazing. He has ear headed a lot of

(54:21):
the conversations that we have at my Chamber of Commerce.
I do know the US Black Chamber has two lobbyists
that works for them, that is advocating for They have
a believe it's one hundred and seventy Black chambers under them,
and we also have Black Chambers worldwide as well now,

(54:42):
and so they're doing their due diligence. I would suggest
if there is a local chamber, and I know there
are some Black Chambers in the Maryland area, and then
there's a DC Black Chamber as well, I'm not sure
if they have any lobbyists on their payrolls. I'm pretty
sure that they do, especially with what is happening, a

(55:05):
lot of us have moved to get someone in position
to help us advocate for our members in our community
at large.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Oh wow, Victoria, I want to thank you for sharing
all this information this morning, and thank you for coming
to Washington, DC and having this discussion with the US
Black Chamber of Commerce. And if you'd like to say
before we didn't touch on before we let you go,
I would like.

Speaker 8 (55:32):
To say, if you want to learn more about what
the Black Chambers do, you can go to the US
Black Chambers dot org. If you are looking for a
local Chamber of Commerce in your areas, you go to
that website. There is a tab at the top that
says Chambers. It will list all of the Chambers of

(55:53):
commerces that are members of the USBC. We are on
there as well as proud members. You can also go
to our website spacecost Black Chamber dot com, and we
both offer free classes, free webinars, workshops for business owners,
for entrepreneurs, individuals who just want to educate themselves. So

(56:14):
please take advantage of those opportunities at the US Black Chamber.
And like I said, we even offer free workshops online
virtual training for folks that are interested in Mister Nelson,
I would like to say, it has been a pleasure
to be on your show. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
and I hope that we can do this another time.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Oh sure, yeah, well, of course you got to keep
us updated on what's going on, because you know the
forecast economically, it doesn't look good for the country. And
you know at the old saying, you know, in America
catches a cold, we get pneumonia or something like that.
So yeah, we will keep in touch. Thank you, Victoria,
thank you for sharing you all this information you did
with us this morning.

Speaker 8 (56:57):
No problem, Thank you, Miss Nelson. You all have an
amazing day.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Alrighty family, that's a Victoria Joes. She's the head of
the space, goes to the Chamber of Commerce and she's
they're having a big meeting in Washington, D C. This weekend.
That's the entire the US Black Chamber of Commerce represent
all the all our neighbors and neighborhoods, i should say,
across the country in town to talk about black businesses.
And you know, if the other business are in trouble,
you know we're really in trouble, so we need to

(57:22):
support them as well. Eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. I need you to keep
that number handy for our next guest and a group
of folks who joined us at Jackie Carter from the
Children's Legacy Theater, Jackie Grand Rising and welcome back to
the program branded s.

Speaker 13 (57:37):
Advisings, and thank you so much. It's good to be here.
Thank you for having us.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
You know, you know before some people may have missed
the last time you guys were on. So tell us
about the Children's Legacy Theater. How did he get started?

Speaker 11 (57:50):
Yes, I started Children's Legacy Theater back in twenty sixteen
with the intent of bringing theater arts to our students
in Ward eight eight and also to bring live here
to our community in.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
DC, Okay. So how do children sign up? How do
you recruit children to do this?

Speaker 11 (58:13):
Well, initially we recruited in the schools and the high
schools and middle schools and what semn was eight. But
as of late in the last couple of years, we're
word of mouth. Parents call us, students come by, they
bring their friends, their siblings, mainly because it's an app
schools up to them. So that's how we recruit now.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
And the age is there age limit or age range
to join?

Speaker 11 (58:42):
We start at officially we started thirteen, go to age seventeen,
but as the last couple of years we've been having
parents bringing their kids in a lot younger, starting at
eight years old, so now we're going from around eight
till about seventeen, right.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
And are they involved in all aspects of the production
or just the acting part?

Speaker 14 (59:06):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (59:06):
Absolutely. We huntre theater professionals who train our young people
in all of the theater arts discipline. So when you
come to see a children's legacy theater production, are children
you got there? Because our children and marketing and public relations.
Our kids are operating sound equipment, a lot of equipment,
they're designing the sets, they're building the costumes in addition

(59:29):
to acting. And I'd say probably about maybe forty percent
of our players actually written by our students, so they
are it's one hundred percent you've led.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Wow, that's amazing. That that is truly amazing, because you know,
if you don't know, if you can't conceive it, you
can't believe it. You know what I'm saying. These children
have not probably have not until now seeing that they
can do production work. They can write us, write a
play or even you know, run some of the costumes, designed,
all the aspects of putting on a play, and all

(01:00:01):
of a suddenly, you know, a light bulb comes from
they kind of like what they do. And you said
the reaction you're getting Jackie, Yes, Well, the.

Speaker 11 (01:00:12):
Young people who come to us are creative that like
you said, they don't know it or they come to
us and they have ideas things they want to do,
and some of them.

Speaker 13 (01:00:22):
Come to us with the ambitions.

Speaker 10 (01:00:25):
Of wanting to be an actor.

Speaker 11 (01:00:26):
They want to be on stage, they want to be seen.
Some of our kids are already skilled and talented, so
they're dancers, they're writers, their performers, they're just creatives and
then looking for that venue, that place where they can
that safe space where they can create and do more
than just have the idea of rattling around on our head.

(01:00:48):
But we're going to put it on the stage and
give it life so the community can come out and
see exactly what they can do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Thirteen at the topic, jack, I hope you have some
of the children with you. They're from the Children Legacy Theater,
because we want to hear from them, you know, family,
we always hear from the children who are behaving inappropriately.
We hear it all the time, especially on our open
pH on Friday, with what they're doing this. So these
youngsters are doing this and doing that. We never get
to really spotlight the children who are doing something productive.

(01:01:16):
And most of our children are doing things productive. Just
a small minority who are acting out in the streets
so behaving inappropriately, but most, for the most part, most
of our children are doing very productive things. And this
is what Jackie has done with the Children's Legacy Theater. Now,
do you have an event coming up?

Speaker 11 (01:01:33):
Yes, we have our timid at play Festpool coming up
at Bard High School on Friday. The first doors open
at four o'clock. You can go on our website, Children's
Legacy Theater eight dot org and get yourself a ticket.
And if you don't have money for a ticket, don't
let that stop you from coming because we will let

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you in anyway. We also have on the call with us,
we have Kimerlee Wiggans too, just student from our marketing
and public relations department. I don't know if you like
to talk to her a little bit, but it's our
ninth annual Ten Minute Play Festival. We do these play
festivals every summer in partnership with the Marion Berry Simmer

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Youth Employment Program, where we get about eighty kids coming
out learning how to create conceive, create, and produce live
theater for the community. So I want everyone to come
out on August first, Friday, four o'clock at Bard's Early
College High School at thirteen fifty one Alabama Avenue Southeast,

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and you see how amazing our young people are. And
if I can just add, we have a special treat
for our guests come to see the show. We're going
to have our Yogab Awards, our ninth annual Yogab Awards,
a Young Gifted and Black Awards for the week actually
award our young people who have done exceptional work this

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summer with us. And I'm just saying that get to
see that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Family, it's important that we support our children, especially when
we're doing something as positive as these children are doing.
It's important that we show up and you know, support
them and you know, help them show them that if
they're appreciated what they're doing, because they could be doing
other stuff. You know, they could be doing a lot
of other stuff, negative stuff as well, but they're using
their talents right now. Jackie is grooming these young people

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become all parts of putting on plays and hopefully we've
just got some success stories to tell us about you
know before we leave, about you know some of the
children who started with the Children's Legacy Theater what they're
doing now. I do want to talk to Kimberly as well.
Kimberly grand Rising, welcome to the program.

Speaker 15 (01:03:43):
Thank you much traving me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
First of all, how old are you?

Speaker 11 (01:03:49):
I'm fourteen?

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Fourteen? All right, God bless you. Kimberly. Why did you
get involved in the Children's Legacy Theater? What was it about?
Because you could be doing other stuff then, you know,
trying to get involved in theater.

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
And I'll tell you a holy response there we're look
at the clock. We've got to step aside for a
few moments. When you come back, though, I'd love to
hear what got you involved, because again, because your peers
are doing other stuff who are not involved in the theater,
you could be like them, but you decide to get
involved in the Children's Legacy Theater. And you guys have
a program on Friday, We're going to get into all
that family. We need to support this group. And also
if you've got a question about how to get involved,

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how to go to the show and support them, reach
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero,
seventy eight to seventy six. Well, speak with Jackie and
Kimberly next.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for starting your Thursday with
us this last Thursday of the month, twenty twenty five
with our guess Jackie Carter. And she's brought along Kimberly.
Whatever part of the Children's Legacy Theater and they work
out of specifically out of Ward seven, Ward eighth across
the river in Washington, DC ERA. That's where many of
our folks live. Well, we'll live all over DC, but
that's the two wards will probably get ignored the most,

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if you will, But this is what she has created.
The jack has created an avenue for these young children
to show their talents. And before we left were speaking
with Kimberly. So, Kimberly, why did you decide to get
involved in the Children's Legate Theater.

Speaker 15 (01:05:34):
Well, when I was signing up for the jobs I
had recently day theater in my previous school. So I
was like, okay, what is that like theater? I'll just
sign up and it was local. It was like this
like probably the best thing for me since it's in
my neighborhood, and when I got there, I liked it,
Like I like working with them because it's I mean,

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it's not easy, but it's like they that you work
on what you know and what you love, So I
like it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
So Kimberly shared with us, what what do you do?
What role do you play in this production?

Speaker 15 (01:06:11):
I'm part of the marketing PR team and we do
a lot of like just to get people to come
to see our play. And I'm more of like the
communications person. So when we were passing out flyers, I
didn't think like that more instead of like editing and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Well that's good to you. Is this something you're going
to do in college a marketing a major or something
like that, or is that too far down the road?

Speaker 15 (01:06:40):
It's one of the things I was thinking about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Yeah, it was. It was it difficulty in marketing because
that's where you are now. You know, it's a professional.
Now you're a professional because you're working. This is a profession.
The only thing is you get paid as a professional.
That's a difference. But this is a learning experience for you.
But but Kimberly, is it difficult selling this play to you?
To your peers? The fourteen year olds that you know
that the young fourteen year old young ladies that they

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go to your school, and the young brothers. It's just
a difficult UH play to sell them.

Speaker 15 (01:07:14):
No, not really, because it really connects. It shows that
our struggles and the stuff that we go through. So no,
it's not hard for me to get them to come
to the place because it's something that they would actually
want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Right, And and Jackie the the also this is playing
out just for chilling, but for adults as well.

Speaker 16 (01:07:36):
Correct me if I'm wrong, No, you're you're absolutely right.

Speaker 11 (01:07:41):
Also on the phone with us is the best operations
manager and she has done a lot of work with
our with our young people too. If I can feel
that question to her.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
That's okay, sure, what was your name again? I'm sure
I don't here it's it's Princess that Oh, Princess Okay,
got you, Princess grind Rising. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:08:07):
For having us. I think I wanna I want to
to Kimberly's horn because she's being humble. She actually came
up with, along with her marketing team, the theme for
this year's UH This year's festival, which is redemption beneath
the surface because a lot of the conversations and what
the young people came up within the three different plays
that you'll see in the festival have a lot to

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do with what they have experienced. And because of that,
you know, they're talking about topics like foster care and abuse,
and they're talking about bullying and they're you know, they're
centering the conversation around that. So the experience that they
have had, particularly in marketing, I mean, the young people
have learned not only like how to create graphics and

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to visually stimulate people to come, they also we have
also put them out on the streets to show them
how they've got to connect and they Kimberly and her
team talked about that they practice elevator pitches, speaking to
people who they have about thirty seconds to talk to,
walking to the metro, going door to door. We really
went like what they would say, old school, but like

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really showing how this is how we get our community
to support us and this is how we get them
to come out. But also in terms of the adults,
the adults being involved to really say hey, if you
really want to know what the young people are experiencing
and what they're going through. Come and see what they create,
Sit down and take a seat and listen. Because in

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our community oftentimes we experience adultism, and with adultism that
means that a lot of times youth voices are muted
and they're not seen as oh, you know, it's oh
you're young, you're not going through anything. But this play
festival will show you the things that they're going through
from their perspective, so that adults can receive that and

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say okay. And the hope is that then by those
families sitting there and seeing what's going on, that we
can sit down and now have a conversation, you know,
and reverse a lot of like generational things that have
been passed down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
You're so true and the chill there are future. So
this is one of the things we're concerned to hear.
This is our future. And if we watch on the
evening news and what's going on in the news, we're
here all we only hear the stuff that you know,
our youngsters are being involved, if it's irresponsible stuff they're doing.
But here we are some positive opportunity for you to
see the Children's Legacy Theater. Is it Friday? Or Saturday

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event is taking place.

Speaker 16 (01:10:35):
It's Friday, so it's tomorrow, yes, and it's that Barn
High School, thirteen fifty one Alabama Avenue Southeast. And as
Jackie sitting, the doors open it for the show starts.
That show starts, that find and I just want to reiterate,
if you're looking for children's legacy theater online, make sure
they sell a children's legacy theater with the R in
front of the the number and the number eight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Uh oh theater. The British we call the theater the theater, yes,
of course, instead of a theater as they say in
the South. But anyway, twenty six after the top of
our founidly, this is something we should get behind. So
tell us about one of you. Tell us about the
what we're going to see if we show up tomorrow Friday,

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what are we going to see?

Speaker 8 (01:11:23):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:11:24):
Well, you are going to see a fabulous production from
beginning to end. I mean there's music, there's dancing all
from an Also, big shout out to our young people
who we also have young people who are gonna be
an admin team and hospitality team. They are laid out
all of all of the stops from beginning to end,
you're going to see three different plays by play Rights.

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One is called The Fire Inside, the next one is
called Red in the Living Room, and the last is
called Oceans Without Hope. We have a beautiful dance team
who's going to bring you some bring you some numbers,
and it's really gonna be such a such a family
a family feel, and that's why we're so grateful because
it's a play for it's a play festival for all.

Speaker 8 (01:12:05):
You can bring it.

Speaker 16 (01:12:05):
You ain't got to worry about getting a babysitter. You
can bring the children and experience it all together. And
as Jackie said, we topped the night off with our
yogab Awards, which is something that's really important to us because,
as you said, the news highlights so much of the
negative of our young people, and we are the we
stand in the center of that is that if you

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put the spotlight on places like Children's Legacy Theater more,
you would you and we announced more what young.

Speaker 14 (01:12:32):
People are doing.

Speaker 16 (01:12:33):
Here's a space where you've got eighty young people who
are under one groups who are doing something to impact
their lives and their community. So that's what they're that's
what they're gonna be and we're gonna make sure we
honor them for that as.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Well, say twenty and after the top of our family.
If just checking in, if members of the Children's Legacy there,
they're put on a program tomorrow. These are our young
people and again we have to come out and support them.
Go back to Jackie, I appreciate you mentioned the awards show.
Can you tell us more about that, the awards portion
of the show.

Speaker 11 (01:13:07):
Yeah, So at the end of every production, this is
only for our ten Minute Play festival. At the end
of every summer, I'm gonna say that the young people
have just six weeks to write three to four minute plays, rehearse,
get the costumes, get the lights that get the sets,

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that bring in the props, and just have six weeks
to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
And it's a real push for them in addition.

Speaker 11 (01:13:34):
To marketing and promoting successible and so I had this
idea maybe about eight years ago that we need a
way to honor them and congratulate them for a job
well done. So I came up with the Yo GAB Awards,
the Young Gifted and Black Awards that actually got from

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Mena Simone songs to be Young Gifted in Black and
so we bring them out and we give them everyone
gets a certificate. But then those are those young people
who did exceptionally well.

Speaker 13 (01:14:09):
They never missed today, they met their.

Speaker 11 (01:14:11):
Deadlinds, They led their team because they're also leader. Kimberly
is on the phone with us. She's a leader, and
so we wanted to have a way to say job
well done, we see you, and congratulations. So we came
up with the Young Gap Award ceremony.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah, thirty minutes at the top of us Jackie Carter
with the Children's Legacy Theater. We've got a princess best
with us, and also we got Kimberly. They're all part
of this production is going to take place. Three places
are going to take place on Friday and foundery. We've
got to support our young people.

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
We do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
If we don't support them, who will, you know, because
we again, as we mentioned, we always hear the negative
issues that we're now young people are involved in. These people,
these youngsters, particularly from Ward seven. Ward eight in Washington,
DC was the most neglected ward if you will, in
the district, and they're doing something positive. So we want
you to turn out and show support. Let me go

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back to Kimberly though, Kimberly, when when when you you know,
when you go to your friends and you you're a
marketing pressure, so you you have to have the one
on one with your friends, your peers if you will.
Uh what do they say when you tell me, Hey,
I want you to come to a play? Uh, We're
putting on a play. What do they say? Or do
they want to you know, still play video games or
if it was a party that they jump all over it?

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But what do they say when you're tell them it's
a play that you put on by by your peers.

Speaker 15 (01:15:29):
I'm called most of my friends, they were like, okay,
what's today? Like a little bit about telling them what
it's about and how it's made entirely by teens like us,
Like we're really tie their interests because it's like they
want to see stuff that's made by teens like us

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fourteen progress and for adults and it's like, well, I
really have to say, was like it's made by teams
and they were just gonna come because they just wanted
to see something that helps them like show how they feel.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Yeah, it's amazing what our young people can do, the
talent that we have in our community family, and we've
got to grow that talent. Princess. And let me ask
you this, Princess, Ben, let me ask you this question.
How did the three how did you select the three
plays that they'll be showing them tomorrow? How do you
how do you come up saying these are the ones
we're gonna do.

Speaker 16 (01:16:22):
Oh, thank you for asking that. I actually had the
pleasure of working with the with the play rights and
what we did was at the beginning Jackie said, it
is a very rigorous process because they have they literally
have six weeks but to write the places the place.
The pressure is on the play rights to write from
the first day and by the end of that first week,

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we have selected uh, the play rights that the plays
that will go up. Often we try to get on
as many voices as possible within the time limit that
we have, but we also sit down and speak with
them about, you know, which one which things are to
reflect of their voices the most. We look at what
is what is family friendly? We look at uh we uh,

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we look at the larger the larger reach and all
of our playwrights, all of our playrights wrote wonderful, wonderful things.
And we also look at their time left. So so
when we're thinking about writing ten minute plays, that's also
the pressure right of like young people learning how long
is a script that is ten minutes?

Speaker 11 (01:17:26):
Right?

Speaker 16 (01:17:27):
And how you know, how do I say what I
want to say either in a short you know, short
form or some people who are not as along with it,
like how do they expand the story to make it
to make it interesting? So we sit down with the
we sit down with the writers, let them, but we
let them go and say, you know, tell their story,
and then we come back into the to the editing
process to make sure that it meets the standards of

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you know, the ten uh ten minute play and to
make sure that they you know, that it's saying what
they really want to say. And the play rights are
also heavily involved in chewing their director like they give
they give feedback to our student our student directors. They
also give feedback to uh, to costumes and anything that they.

Speaker 10 (01:18:09):
Have as a vision.

Speaker 16 (01:18:10):
They are really a part of the of the process
of making their their visions come alive. So we work
with them and then once they've written the plays and
it takes form this life of its own. They typically
in the adult theater, the playwright would step back, but
in Children's Legacy Theater, the play right steps forward. So
you will actually hear from our play rights about their

(01:18:33):
about their pieces. So big shout out to a Zil,
to Phoenix and to no Vaughn, who are our play
rights that you will get to meet tomorrow.

Speaker 11 (01:18:41):
All right, and add something, this is the.

Speaker 9 (01:18:44):
First time, yeah, Jackie, Children's.

Speaker 11 (01:18:47):
Legacy Theater that all of the playwrights are gentlemen.

Speaker 16 (01:18:53):
Yead I did not think about that, Jackie.

Speaker 11 (01:18:55):
Oh my goodness, Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 13 (01:18:57):
It's all all gentle.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
And explain to the honest why is that special? Because
you know, for us who are not intimate with what's
going on with the Children's Legacy Theater, why is that
so special? Jackie?

Speaker 13 (01:19:10):
You are that's so special because.

Speaker 11 (01:19:14):
Our young men unfortunately get such a bad rap in
the community. But Children's Legacy theaterre knows that we always
have an input of brothers and our playwriting department. But
it's important for our young men to see their peers

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giving voice to their concern as writers, as leaders. You know,
you you actually have a choice. You have something to say.
Let me show you how to say it and here's
a place where you can say it. So I think
it's important for as our young people come to see
the shows, as our young people are getting to see

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that this young man wrote his claim. And I often
want to say, talk about how actors are selected, the
actors who are with Children's Agency theater, but the summer
they're going through a workshop learning how to to auditions,
learning the the art of acting, and they actually have
the audition for these plays to get into one of

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these plays.

Speaker 13 (01:20:19):
So it's just it's.

Speaker 11 (01:20:20):
Just amazing to see the young people all working in
Unison and the Harmony to bring this too minute place
festival to the community.

Speaker 16 (01:20:29):
And I think too, Jackie, one of the things that's
also really special about the young men is that in
our experience growing up in the theater, a lot of
times the idea is that, you know, particularly for the arts,
it's like, oh, this is a girl sports, you know,
this is a you know, a girl, a girl's thing.
And so really having young men who they that sleep,

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that lead the charge and say like, yeah, no, you know,
the art is for me, you know, and they and
especially in writing, you know, when we think about some
of the you know, some of the men who become
popular you know, you're Tyler Perry's or you know, you
know that have written things. It's like, you know, for
them to be able to see like, yes, like the art.
You know, the art is for me. And you know

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if it's amazing to see the young men actually like
really take on their life.

Speaker 14 (01:21:15):
No, like this is my vision I see it, you know, and.

Speaker 16 (01:21:19):
They're really taking charge. Like No, I want it to
go like this because I want the people to see
it in this way. And that's really important for young
black men, young black boys to be able to experience.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Yeah, I want to expand on that, but we've got
to step asut and get caught up with the ladies
trafficking news in our different cities. The A Princess. When
we come back though, it tell us that you say
the play rights, do they write just the outline of
the play or to do with the dialogue and character
and all that. I'll let you respond when we get
back from the news trafficking weather in our different cities. Family,
you two can join us speaking with our group from
the Children's Legacy Theater in Wards seven and eight in Washington, DC.

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Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six on ticket phone calls
after the US trafficking weather, Let's name and Grand Rising

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Family sixteen minutes away from the top. We have members
of the Children's Legacy Theater in Washington, d C. With
us this morning, and we're talking about the three short
plays they're going to do in the district on Friday.
And one of the reasons why we do this to
salute these young people the doctor Francis wes Wilson, she
rest in peace. When she was here, she talk us
about the psyche that gets into our minds, in other

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people's minds when they watch the evening news and see
some of our people acting inappropriately, and then you know,
in cuffs, you just see story after story some of
our young people doing things they shouldn't do, and that
gets promoted. The fact that what this group is doing here,
the Children's Legacy Theater, doesn't get any ink, doesn't get
any on TV. They don't show what our children are doing.
So if we don't do it, who's going to aboard them?

(01:23:00):
And this is what we have to do. They've got
three plays coming up. The fire inside also in the
living room and Oceans without hope. Those are titler of
three plays and they're written by three young brothers. So
my question to you, Princess, in writing and constructing the plays,
do they go into as play rights, Do they go
into the dialogue with the characters or they just give

(01:23:22):
an outline of the play.

Speaker 16 (01:23:25):
No, they actually do the entire process. It's so interesting.
One of the things that we started with with the
playwrights was an exercise called my life is a River.
And in that exercise they take they write on a
piece of paper and they draw a river, and they
start at the top with when they were born up
until now, and in between that life that river, they

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talk about significant things that have happened for that have.

Speaker 11 (01:23:53):
Made them who they are as a person.

Speaker 16 (01:23:55):
So that they get into the habit whether some of
them have already written, but some of them are very
new to it, and so they get in the habit
of actually writing like the significant moments and how those
things build and how they develop. They also get the
knowledge of like what you know, what is involved into
inside of a play, the plot, the setting, you know,

(01:24:17):
the you know, the main characters, the heroine, you know,
the antagonists, the protagonists. So they some of them come
in already knowing that, so they are you know, they're
like boom, let's go. Some of them that develop it
along the way. And so what happens is is that
now that they have this story of themselves and they're
really seeing the reflection, and we say, and we're looking
at it and saying, okay, what are the parts that

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are the most important that would be that would pull
people in. And so as a writer, then they employ
those things into their writing to come up with their
with their with their scripts. So they're involved from the
beginning to the end. And some writers are the type
to create an outline first before they start, and some

(01:24:59):
writers they just right and then they go back and
then put you know, put it in. So it depends
on what type of writer they are.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Wow, you know what, I'm so pleased to hear this
because again, what doctor Welson tell us about what we
see on the evening news and what your group is
doing the Children's Legacy Theater gets no ink. And then
when people when people react to us in a certain way,
you know, because of what they see on TV, but
they don't see these plays. I just wish that we
could have it on a broader scale, so the whole

(01:25:27):
world can see what what you guys are doing. Having
said that, is this, uh Jack, is this gonna be
live streamed?

Speaker 13 (01:25:36):
I don't think it's going to be live streamed.

Speaker 11 (01:25:40):
The timid place of us will usually is not live
stream So no, we'd love for you to get a
ticket and come and sit down and see the production. However,
is going to record it so you can go onto
our website probably in a week or so, and on
our website.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Oh that's good enough. I was just hoping that what
you guys are doing, people listen to us around the
country will be inspired to do the same thing, because
you know, sometimes schools out trying to look for things
for their children to do. And instead of just you know,
for the young brothers shooting basketball or play video games.
Everybody's a video games or playing basketball these days on
the internet, they could do something creative. And this is

(01:26:21):
what this is all about. This is getting their creative juices,
starting the children's legacy. Theater's only we go back to
Kimberly again. So Kimberly during the pr you have to
you know, this is a difficult sale. I think I've
asked you this question before. But this is a difficult sell,
especially your peers, to tell them, Hey, we're putting on
a play. We got three plays we want you to come.

(01:26:43):
It would be easy if I said, well, you know,
let's do some internet chatter or play some video games
or something like that, as opposed to that. So just
explain to us what kind of technique you use to
convince your peer group to come and watch these plays.

Speaker 15 (01:27:00):
Whenever I like told my friends about it, I just
like said things that I know that they would connect with.
So I'd say, like, one of my friends just got
up with a breakup. I just got over a breakup.
I'll say, oh, one of the places about a breakup,
so you can time to see and see like now
this person got over and see if it connects to you.
So whenever I was just trying to get people to try,

(01:27:21):
I would just say things that would connect them through
the place.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Gotcha? I mean, any one of you three can answer
this because I understand one of the play centers on
teen mental health and the systemic issues that are young
people are facing today, and some of us don't know
that are young people have issues as well, So can
one of you respond to that question?

Speaker 15 (01:27:43):
You sure, Oh, I was actually, if you can repeat it,
I didn't hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
One of the players that centered on team mental health
and the systemic issues that you know, young people like yourself,
Kimberly are facing because many of times, you know, if
you don't have a young person in your home, or
you don't know that our children have challenges themselves, and
even parents that have children don't know what sometimes are
their children are going through.

Speaker 16 (01:28:11):
Oh so yeah, yeah, Kimberly, can you speak to can
you speak to the to the to the point of
whichever play that you'd like to talk about, like the
issues that are that are centered in that play.

Speaker 15 (01:28:26):
Well, so far, I've seen a lot of like The
Ocean Without Hope, and it kind of like speaks to
a lot of things that means because well, it comes
to to a lot of teams in general, because a
lot of it is about like bullying, and I feel
like we all go through bullying in some type of form.
It can be like with friends, with peers, or with

(01:28:49):
family sometimes so that one like really speaks soon.

Speaker 16 (01:28:53):
Yeah, And one of the things, and following up with
what Kimberly is saying, is that one of our plays
read in the living Room deals with a silent issue
a lot of our young people are facing, you know, uh,
vulnerable homes or not necessarily or or foster care. And
so that being said, a topic that we we do

(01:29:14):
touch on is is abuse, but UH this particular type
of uh or like parential neglect. And so those are
things that from the voices of the young people that
really struck a chord for a lot of people, because
a lot of people do not know the statistics of
how many young people are actually have ended up in
the foster care system by way of either you know,

(01:29:37):
you know, vulnerable homes, CPS, c f S, a all
of all of those things. And so that's something that
we really wanted to bring to the forefront and was
really important to our to our playwright Azille and also
in speaking to what Kimberly was talking about in terms
of how they've had to you know, with their confidence

(01:29:57):
going door to door and really speaking, you know, getting
you know, having the nervousness of like speaking to people
and you know, being nervous about you know, whether somebody
would project what they were saying. And we really saw
them blosom you know, really saw them block them from
being like, uh, you know, I don't know about this,
and then once they got comfortable on the streets and
they were like, you know, saying you know, they were

(01:30:19):
sitting there, sitting there saying, hey, listen, this is our play.

Speaker 13 (01:30:22):
This is what it's about.

Speaker 8 (01:30:22):
You know, this is what it's about.

Speaker 16 (01:30:24):
Where it was really coming off like water. So watching
them talk about these these issues that they face, but
then also seeing them walk through that and while talking
about it, is one of them. Is one of is
a is an amazing thing and really speaks to children's legacy,
approach and impact.

Speaker 11 (01:30:43):
And can I just add on to that herming our
street campaign is so important because it gives our community
an opportunity to see our children differently, to see that
they are positive, they are doing good.

Speaker 13 (01:30:58):
Things right to the step, and it makes them good
about the kids, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:31:03):
Talking to them respectfully, inviting them out to see something
that is a family friendly just puts a good feeling
in the community and creates community around our children. Yeah,
our third play, it's also another very important play because
we had an incident where a young man had some

(01:31:25):
trouble in.

Speaker 13 (01:31:25):
The family and he wanted to handle it. If you
understand what I'm saying, you know, we've reflected him to
the very place.

Speaker 11 (01:31:33):
That he does the lights for where the young man
has to make a decision. Do I go and get
revenge and possibly you know, kill somebody and go to prison,
or do I find another way to not only make
sure they stay alive, that I stay alive and create
peace and harmony. So these players are really speaking to
issues that they are currently managing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Trying to manage family sticks away from the top that
we just heard. That's Jackie Carter. She's the executive director
of the Children's Legacy Theater. She's joined by Princess Best
who's the operations manager. She's the associate program director, and
young Kimberly. Kimberly is fourteen years old. She's the student
lead in marketing. And they all put this thing together.

(01:32:16):
That's that's so great about this, all these young people
that we have. There's so much talent. You know, we
always talk about that we got talent in athletics and
sports or medicine, but we got talent in the arts
as well, in the acting era. This is what these
put these three plays that they're going to show on Friday. Jackie,

(01:32:37):
where again, were these plays are going to.

Speaker 11 (01:32:39):
Be but August first, twenty five, that's Friday. We're going
to be at Bard's Early College High School at fifteen
fifty one Alabama Avenue, Southeast. Tickets are available at the door,
or you can go on our website get a ticket.
If you don't have the money for a ticket, please
don't let that stop you come on and enjoy the show.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
She says, she means Southeast DC. So because you know,
we have people all over over the world now listening
to us. And one of the reason why we did
this particular program because we hope we can inspire some
young people or some other adults who are listening who
are trying to figure out what you you know, Somemer's Well,
school's almost about to start opening state side real soon now.
Back in day when we went to school school and

(01:33:23):
open till after Labor Day, but that got schools starting
in August. But anyway, uh, if they're looking for activities
for their children to do this, this would be a
great thing. If they can find somebody to put on
to lead, like like Jackie and Princess to lead the
U should just you know, just a little guidance, that's
all that our children need the little guidance show them
something different. I keep, you know, emphasizing Dr Wilson what

(01:33:46):
what she talked about, Because our children more than just thugs.
You know what I'm saying. If if you and we
see them on the TV and every evening, we'll see
them on the evening news, some some of one of us,
our children doing something inappropriately, and we've got to look
at them as our children because this is our future.
So just listening to the conversation this morning, especially with
you from Kimberly, our future looks bright. I got to

(01:34:08):
say that personally, I think it looks bright. You guys
are well spoken, and you know that's not condescending to you,
but you are what you're doing and I really really
appreciate it. So Jackie, what's next though? After this production wrap?
So do you have something else that coming up?

Speaker 11 (01:34:25):
Yeah? So our next production is going to be about
the amazing Nazis and we're producing a play about Akina.
So we're going to try to do it at Bard's
High School again. That's going to open up in February.
But I also want to say that since we have.

Speaker 13 (01:34:42):
Put into contact with Dipltiful Spirit in the highest office
in the land.

Speaker 11 (01:34:48):
Children's like the sy Theater, is desperately in need of funds.
So I would like the audience listening audiences to know
that they can make a textilitation to Children's Legacy Theater
going through our webs site, all contacting me directly at
two O two seven one zero seven eight one nine
two O two seven one zero seven eight one nine,

(01:35:10):
or a by going through our website at Children's Legacytheater
dot org. We serve up with one hundred plus students
a year, year round, and our kids are so we
have one hundred percent retention rate. So our kids are
with us usually from eighth grade to twelfth grade.

Speaker 13 (01:35:28):
Lady graduate now going on too great.

Speaker 11 (01:35:31):
Things in the world with their lives and the positive
contributors to our community and to the world. So we
can use financial support from the world.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
All right, I tell you what we We got to
come up with a traffick on weather JACKI and we
come back, how did you give that information? Again? So
get folks a chance to get a little pan of
paper ready so they can write down the information all
about the play and how they can help the Children's
Legacy Theater in Washington, DC. Family. You two can join
us if you got a question, reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six. Your phone calls right after the traffic and Web.

(01:36:01):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
You're fucking with the Most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
You're fucking with the most submissive yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Thank Glad Rising family, Thanks for rolling with us on
this Thursday morning. This last Thursday of July twenty twenty five,
we were on with the children's lego for theater members.
Jackie Carter is the executive director of Princess besially is
the operations manager and also the associated program director. And
Kimberly fourteen year old Kimberly Wiggans. She's a student leading
and she's the lead in marketing. So before all three,

(01:36:56):
you go first at Kimberly. Anything you'd like to add
that we touch on.

Speaker 13 (01:37:04):
No, nothing really isn't.

Speaker 15 (01:37:06):
I hope whoever comes in Georgia played, because they're really
hard and it just shows it as teens just really
want to get our feelings.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Out there, all right, and the Princess.

Speaker 16 (01:37:21):
Yeah, I want to say that one thing you spoke
to Carl that's really important is for communities to understand.
You know, jay Z said something. He said, men live,
women line numbers don't. When it comes to being able
to to let people know about what's going on in communities.
Communities have to understand that their numbers makes the difference

(01:37:41):
in people knowing about productions like this, about programs like this,
and so their vote as well as their their numbers,
their their butts and feet, and as well as them
talking about it like you know, talking about it and
digging it up and saying to politicians and to those
who are decision makers for like art grants and art funding,

(01:38:02):
they are instrumental in making sure that programs like this
stay in existence because you can't because you can't do
this type of stuff on no budget.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Right.

Speaker 16 (01:38:12):
And so what I'd like to say is to really
charge the community with if you want more things like this,
and you want to see young people doing amazing things,
then you have to put your money where your mouth is,
So come out and make sure that we have a
full house so that we can get the news coverage
to be able.

Speaker 14 (01:38:31):
To see that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Yeah, let me just say I too, Princess. All these businesses,
especially the ones in Ward seven and Ward eight. You
guys need to support these young people. Because Mary Vee
complain about the young people. I hear it all the time.
You call and complain about what the young people are
doing are not doing. It's these young people are doing
something very very positive in our community. We need to
support them. So I'm throwing down the challenge to all

(01:38:53):
the businesses in Ward seven more. In fact, all the
black businesses, all the businesses for that matter, history support
our children. But Jackie, you were about to tell us,
you know, give us more information about what the shows,
what times or days, and how we can get involved.

Speaker 11 (01:39:10):
Yes, the show is Friday, August first, twenty twenty five
at Bard Elementary I'm Barred Early High Early College High
School at thirteen fifty one Alabama Avenue Southeast. The doors
open at four o'clock, the show starts at five.

Speaker 13 (01:39:25):
We love to see you there.

Speaker 11 (01:39:27):
You can send a tax deductible donation to Children's Legacy
Theater eight dot org, or you can also call me
at two O two seven one zero seven eight one
nine and I can help you get your donation to us.
But we really need the money, so if you can
support we'd love to have it. Thank you so much.

Speaker 16 (01:39:51):
And remember that's Children's Legacy THEE. It's her with an
R dot E R and then the number eight.

Speaker 13 (01:40:03):
Ah. Hello, oh oh, I don't think he's there.

Speaker 11 (01:40:16):
I think we're off the air.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Well, no, you're not off the air.

Speaker 6 (01:40:19):
We've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Yeah, I you at the wrong button. Family, that's all
it was. That's my faulty. I just and I was
just talking. By the way, family, we need to really
support this project, the Children's Legacy Legacy Theater. So Jackie
one more time, how can folks get involved? Is there
an email or a phone number?

Speaker 11 (01:40:38):
Yes, you can email us at Children's Legacy Theater eight
at gmail dot com. That's Children's Legacy Theater eight at
gmail dot com. Or you can call me Jackie Carter
at two O two seven one zero seven eight one nine.
Or you can go to our website at Children's Legacy

(01:41:00):
Theater eight dot org. You can make a donation there
can also see all the productions that we have coming up.
Get also signed your kid up to participate in our
theater projects on our website Children's Legacy Theater eight dot org.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Right, I just want to thank you jack and you
Princess being the adults and helping our young people, you know,
finesse their future and showing them away, especially in the theater.
So I just want to thank you for all that
you do for our young people, especially in the Ward seven,
Ward eight in Washington, DC.

Speaker 16 (01:41:36):
Thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 13 (01:41:37):
We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
All righty, thanks family, thank you, thank you for and
thank you for putting on his play for our young people.
All right, family, it's eight after the topic I was
turning attention out of clinical psychologist doctor Jerome Eve Fox,
doctor Fox, grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
Yes, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Doctor Fox. By the way, family is the author of
the best selling workbook Addicted to White, The Oppressed in
League with the Oppressor, shame based alliance. In that book,
doctor Fox details there are five core white values that
many of us are addicted to, and the book is
the antecdote if you and you'll recognize them in yourself
or at some point you've been addicted to white at
some point one of the five ones. Some people still are,

(01:42:18):
you know, some people still are. We're going to get
into that, but doctor Fox, I got to ask you
that what's what we see on the stage right now
is what's going on in Washington. The chaos and I'll
call it chaos with a Trump administration, whether it be
the ice raids, will be the tariffs, or whether it
be Epstein. And it seems like the black community is
just like h just shrug and just sit it out.

(01:42:40):
I just try to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
Well, you know, we're not politically engaged because we don't
understate and I guess how impacts every aspect of our life.
This will just be beginning with the and the list
is long, but just beginning with an immigration. I don't

(01:43:07):
know if we fully understand that immigration is this or
the crackdown supposedly on immigration is nothing more than a
campaign to get all the N words that being US
out of UH, the this United Snakes of America as

(01:43:31):
I call it, before we replace remember you will Jews
will not replace us. UH before these uh crackers are
replaced by so called a minority majority. That's that's all

(01:43:52):
that it's about. I mean, you listen to these broadcasters, uh,
you know, major media broadcasting, be they podcasters or pundits
or whatever, and it's clear that they refuse to uh
admit that that's what is going on. And even they're

(01:44:13):
black lackeys who they you know, bring on their programs,
will never really clearly U zero in on this racial animus.
They they refuse to you know, to uh state and

(01:44:35):
and acknowledge that Trump being in office is a product
of racial animus among white people in this nation. And
I don't think we as a people are fully even

(01:44:56):
I either think about it or understand what's going on.
And that's unfortunately because if you realize what you all
probably in the audience, UH know of Bobby right, the
late great Bobby Wright, who once wrote, I think in

(01:45:16):
his essay, uh the psychopathic racial personality, that no white
nation in the world encourages black immigration. And all these
so called you know his Spanish calling himselves brown or whatever. Uh,
this is nonsense. We're all brown. Uh. The term black

(01:45:39):
is used to indicate anybody that is not white. It's
a political uh designation that that they try so hard
to avoid. But no white nation in the world encourages
black immigration. But there is a great effort throughout the
orl or and there has always been, by the way. Uh,

(01:46:02):
these are the words of Bobby Wright to integrate in
quotes Africa. So they want to come into our land,
our motherland, and exploit us among us in order to
exploit our resources, et cetera. But forbid us to be

(01:46:23):
among them if you want to be. And he asked
the question, therefore, what do we do? And here's where
our understanding and political activism is important. There is no evidence,
according to doctor Wright, that black and white races can
live in close proximity to each other in peace. These

(01:46:48):
people do not know how to peacefully coexist with others
who don't look like them. That was mine. But going
back to what he was saying, uh, in peace without
whites attempting to oppress and exterminate the blacks, that that

(01:47:10):
includes all others, all all non whites. In fact, there
is overwhelming evidence that even white ethnic groups cannot live peaceful,
peacefully together. That's the Irish, the English, the Greeks, the Turks.
They're constantly fighting among themselves, as we see with this
Jeffrey what's his last name? Epstein, right all, they're constantly

(01:47:40):
warring among themselves. So how the heck they're going to
be able to get along with us? Behavioral scientists generally
agree that there is no known cure for psychopaths. He
called this you know, the psychopathic racial personality. These what
I call the crackers, These cycle as you can't really cure.

(01:48:02):
In fact, he says that it is a widely held
belief that the only successful treatment for the psychopath is incarceration,
in other words, to separate them from people who can
peacefully coexist with others. Or radical psychosurgery that's an old

(01:48:22):
intervention you know, like lobotomies or whateverever that hasn't really well,
that just sort of incapacitates the person. Or death, you know,
capital punishment. Those are the only three things its that
have been proven to successfully deal with psychopaths and your

(01:48:46):
mist Therefore, since blacks are at war with psychopaths, violence
is the only way, or I would say intimidation with
the capacity to back up, uh physically, to back up
your intimidation. And if intimidation doesn't work, but in truth,

(01:49:08):
the oppressed winding up being the intimidated ones. We should
be intimidating them, but would take organization and us being
thoroughly woke. That's that's like a nasty word among white
folk because they know to be woke is to be

(01:49:30):
resistant and opposition to what they are doing. So they
try to convince us that even the term woke we
shouldn't even be using. But being woke includes also being smart,
and we're just not educated. We're not oriented in our homes,

(01:49:51):
in our school, in any other place to be really
current with what these what our enemies are doing in
order to permanently place them in a in a dominant
position visa the US. We're just not aware. We just

(01:50:13):
as you said, we're just going along as if you know,
any day is every day, and when you're not woke,
you're obviously stable being conquered. Because you're not, you've got
to be on guard. That's why I wrote this book,
by the way, to get us prepared to fight this war. Unfortunately,

(01:50:37):
as I say, I think on page one thirteen or
one twelve, let me see if I can grab that
and turn to it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
Hold that all right there, Doc, we got to take
a quick break. I'll actually look report on that when
we get back. It's seventeen minutes after the top. They
family want to join our conversation with doctor Jerome Fox.
Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take all
your phone calls. Next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for sticking with us on
this Thursday morning, the last Thursday of July twenty twenty five.
I guess this clinical psychologist doctor Jeromy Fox again. He's
known for his best selling workbook Addicted to White the
Oppressed in League with the Oppressor, A shame based alliance.
That's the part of the title I like the best.
A shame based alliance anyway, doctor Foxy is there are

(01:51:49):
five core white values, and many of us are addicted
to at some point. Many of us have always been addicted.
But his book is the anecdote. And before we left
for the break, doctor fox, you were going to reference
a section in the book.

Speaker 5 (01:52:00):
Yeah, and keeping with what I just said that our problem,
perhaps one of the reasons why we can't seem to
muster an effective defense against our enemy, is that we

(01:52:23):
suffer from crippling fear, which I reference on page one
twelve in my workbook, and where I say crippling fear
is the only thing that prevents Africans from engaging in
fears and continual battle against white oppression. Most people allow
painful fears to fetter them to a variety of temporarily

(01:52:48):
analgesic or pain relieving, but ultimately unhealthy behaviors and practice
and practices, ranging from resist resisting intimacy to not resisting oppression.
When when when we should Entire cultures along with their subcultures,

(01:53:09):
are built around fear. We see this operating most dramatically
within Congress. We are all both This really applies to
all people, where both the Republicans but especially the Republicans
but as well as the Democrats are are are operating

(01:53:30):
in a culture of fear.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:53:33):
That's why nothing gets done.

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
If you recall, there was one incident earlier in the
year era where the Doge people went to this building,
I forget the name of the building. It's like a
uh uh a philanthropy organization, and they aboche into the building,
you know, and demanding the state staff leave and whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:54:01):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:54:01):
This building isn't even owned by the government. Obviously the
out the organization has some affiliation perhaps financial, with the government,
but the government does not own that building. That was
clear trespassing, a violation, a legal crime, trespassing in that building.

(01:54:22):
But the those people bought uh uh. Oddly the police
with them and true as soon as the at least
the Democrats heard about that they should have ran over
to that building and just formed the PHELANX in front
of it, are arm in arm telling those those people

(01:54:43):
they could not enter the building, and more or more
or that they should have called the police to say
come out here and support us, uh in you know,
preventing a crime. But instead, I mean nobody even seem
to notice that. Instead they go on TikTok, some of

(01:55:04):
them and do this air boxing with all smiley and
laughing whatever, as if you know they're fighting this total disarray,
total cowardice. People get upset when and I put in
the book earlier in the book, when I was listing
thoughts for today for the meetings that I prescribe that

(01:55:28):
we should be conducting quietly in our communities. But it's
really true. You just see it demonstrated every every day.
I think I define a slave trying to turn to
that as a person that lives basically in fear, constant fear.

(01:55:53):
I don't see it right ever, but I notice I
know that some people were a little bit no, that's
not even upset with that. Uh yeah. Slave is one
whose basic aspects meaning emotions are restricted to shame, which
you resonate with and fear. Collectively, African Americans are the

(01:56:17):
progeny of cowards uh, those who surrender to this slave
mentality in exchange for physical survival. Only those Congress people.
They are constancentrated on their just physical survival you know,
and find financial m I guess uh uh status, not

(01:56:43):
willing to risk anything and certainly not their lives. What
is worse is that this heritable cowardice has led African
Americans unwillingly, unwillingly and to modern day slavery, devouring, exploiting,
and neglecting each other at the silent behest of white oppressors.
So this fear is recently what is crippling, are you know,

(01:57:11):
our motivation to even learn about what's going on. We've
trained ourselves just to uh be satisfied with whatever it's
presented to us. And this all the other issues that
you mentioned, zeroed in on this immigration and just to
demonstrate how serious this problem is and how deep rooted

(01:57:37):
this desire to get rid of every non black person
in this nation who's not a slave, like the people
are working in the black brothers and sisters who call
themselves Hispanic who are working the fields. As long as
as we are chattel slavery serving their economic interests, that's okay.

(01:57:59):
But everybody else uh must leave. But all the other
issues really are are a product of us being dependent
upon our enemies. And we see that that white folk
are experiencing that because these universities who are dependent upon

(01:58:22):
you know, government money and resources have been buckling left
and right under uh uh this uh uh that cracker
in the White House's rule. So you just see that's
what else can they do? They're not, you know, self supporting,
and we as an entire community have a have allowed

(01:58:47):
ourselves to be completely dependent. As I say say on
our enemy in the very preface of my book that uh,
we can never really experience any kind of freedom as
long as everything that we depend upon is supplied by

(01:59:07):
our enemy. Health care, education, That's why were not motivated,
because educating in the broadest sense, even what parents do
in terms of educating their children, is what trains you
to be motivated to protect yourself. But without that, we

(01:59:33):
are going to constantly be just in fear of the
people who who are supplying our physical needs. As I
say Africans uh in the preface must focus on freeing
ourselves from white supremacy in all of its disguises, or
remain in Great Pearl while relying on our enemies who

(01:59:57):
hate us to provide the base sick necessities of life, sustenance, clothing, shelter, energy, safety, healthcare,
and knowledge. So we're in that track, and until we
wake up, really become woke, we're going to remain in
that track, just apathy, just taking whatever is given to us,

(02:00:19):
and just trying to make a way. We've been convinced
that just mere survival is an accomplishment, you know, but
alli cats survive, our attention should be on thriving as
a people.

Speaker 3 (02:00:36):
Stop said yeah, thirty minutes after the top. There a
couple of things. First, once you to tell us what
we should be doing now, but before we always have
some new listeners, doctor Fox. And when they hear you
use the term cracker, they get why black folks get
upset about that because what he said, he says cracker.
But and again I asked you to explain that all
the time because we always get some Yeah, so I'll

(02:00:59):
let you explain it and then tells what we should
be doing right now. They while they're you know, having
these infightings. What we as black people should be doing.

Speaker 5 (02:01:07):
Well. The as I've said uh many times, cracker is
uh is what our ancestors who were in captivity so
called slavery uh secretly called white overseers who were quick
to use the whip.

Speaker 17 (02:01:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:01:29):
The term is based on the cracking sound a whip
makes h as it rips through are a person's skin.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:01:43):
Sometimes the skin of black victims was used to make
even the skin of of of us was used to
make the whip, if you can believe that. So this
term is a term that's been based on fact.

Speaker 8 (02:01:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:02:00):
People that will oversee the white overseer cracking the whip.
So we say, here comes that cracker, the person that's
going to crack the whip. That makes other sense. People
try to make an equivalent to the term nigger.

Speaker 14 (02:02:16):
It is not.

Speaker 5 (02:02:17):
Nigga is a made up word uh uh based on hate.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:02:23):
Cracker is based on fat. Now, what we can do
right now is to really get educated, get a stay
abreast with what's happening. Many of us don't even watch
the news, and I know it some you know, I
happen to be a news junkie and I backed off
from it because it's just so depressing. But I still

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realize that I have to watch enough of it and
to be aware, aware of who's who, uh, what's doing
and what's so time comes to vote, I know who
to vote for. And once again I'm a strong advocate
of voting, not because uh, putting these people are uh
in office is going to uh uh uh uh save

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us from doing the harder work that we let us
do and and detoxifying our minds. But it gives us
the space to do that, uh while they're kind of
instantly occupying our time, which is a strategy of all
oppressors to occupy the time of the oppressed.

Speaker 14 (02:03:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:03:32):
We don't don't have the energy or time you're working
three jobs or whatever to put to this very necessary
task of freeing our minds, so detoxifying our minds. But
if you can get some people in all offices who
make number one voting easier, so we can select people,

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uh the right people, and those people in turn may
our economic situation and a little bit better, so that
at least we don't have to work three jobs in
order to get a living wage. If they raise the
you know, the living wage that helps a lot, so

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that we can secretly take care of this other more
important business. So what we can do is to know
who will do that task, uh, and vote them in
office and vote these other clowns out of office.

Speaker 9 (02:04:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:04:32):
That's very basic and easy anything to do. But we
can have so many people who call them those who
might be a little bit aware. They think it is
I don't know what it is, black or something to
not vote, which is just playing stupid. Voting is one

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of many weapons that we should and could be using
right now. Have a list of weapons, weapons that we
could and should be using right now in my book
Children is one of them raising our children to be
revolutionists or not having children at all until we get

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this mess straightened out. Even the question of who said?
Every time and you hear a white person try to
explain life to you, just remember the question who said?
So that you can stimulate your own agency and thinking
for yourself. So I have a list of weapons in

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the book. When you get the book, you can that
we should be utilizing right now, including this project of
detoxifying ourselves. And once again, voting is one of those
weapons that we can use right now. Just think about
if Harris, we're in office as opposed to this cracker,

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things would be a lot different. We would not be liberated,
but we'd have more spaces to fight for liberation. Just
think about that.

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
Let me jump in here for a second, though, doctor Fox.
We'll Brad, but let me. I got to add this
because because you mentioned voting, and we have groups a
DOS and the Foundation or a group whatever they call themselves.
They tried and they convinced some folks not to vote
for Hans because she wasn't like one of us. They
were used by the Republican Party. They're on the payroll,
the leaders are at least we know that, but some
of our people fail for it, and some people are

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still falling for it. Today they're saying that they're not
like us, their difference and we just had a guest
on this morning. We're starting about why the Hispanics are
moving ahead ahead of us because they see themselves as
a group. We don't see this as a group. We're
fighting each other and that's one of.

Speaker 5 (02:06:47):
The questions that well, you have to understand and that
they come here with an identity. Unfortunately, are a group, sense,
an idea, and ad has been beaten out of us
over centuries, and we can't forget that. And that's a
part of this uh UH group that I prescribe in

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my book. That's one of the major tasks of the
group UH is to restore our Africans as much as
we can, to restore our sense of groupness, because you're right.

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Without that UH, we won't work together. We won't see
even the need UH to work together. And that that's
a task that we have neglected, as I say in
my book on page sixteen, deeply rooted centuries long, which
these Haspan they have not had in the way.

Speaker 3 (02:07:58):
Doctor Foster stepiside from fuelance with I think this is
important because some of our folks are minds are warped
and got following these folks and they don't understand what
the deal is. They don't understand it. It's whan. It's
intentional to keep us separated. But anyway, I'll let you
expound on that when we get back. It's twenty three
minutes away from the top day our family. I guess
it's doctor Jeromy Fox. It's the author of the best
selling workbook Addicted to White the Oppressed, in League with

(02:08:19):
the Oppressor, a shame based alliance. We'll take a calls
for him next.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):

Speaker 3 (02:08:50):
Thankland Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this
Thursday morning. As I mentioned, it's the last Thursday in
July of twenty twenty five. I guess it's clinical psychologist
doctor jero is the author of the best selling workbook
Addicted to White The Oppressed in League with the Oppressor,
a shame based alliance. Before we go back to doctor Fosh,
I'm just reminding you Tomorrow's Friday, and you know that
we all invite you to join us and free your mind.

(02:09:12):
That just means to think for yourself and reach out
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ten ten WLB and also under DMV on FM ninety
five point nine and AM fourteen fifty w L. All right,
doctor Fosch, we know these folks we are talking about this.
It's separate, separating us as and you know, sort of
making this fighter with Pan Africanism as if it's something

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pejorative that term. And they're doing it because they're getting paid.
But the question is not why they're doing it is
the question is why are people why are our people
solve our people falling for that.

Speaker 5 (02:09:45):
Trip right, Well, it'll be a quick and easy answer
before I go into more death, is that we are
addicted to white That's why. And every aspect of our
life is dependent upon white folk. Unfortunately, so and when

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you're in that kind of dependent relationship, you'll do whatever
they say for you to do, even if it involves
us denying your natural self and your natural desires to thrive.
But as I said, deeply rooted, centuries long ongoing oppression

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is devastatingly traumatic, and we we can't, you know, ignore
that what we're what we're dealing with, is the result
of trauma as trauma trunk case, the full range of
options oppressed people are able to perceive or imagine for

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our lives. So there we're in this position because the
centuries long opposition to us, that we don't even see
what we could do in order to get out of it. Unfortunately,
it blinds you after a while. Denial of the fact
of this kind of trauma is epigenetic, intergenerational, and its

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intergenerational impact and the responsibil ability to fight back is
typical of many survivors of this kind of trauma who
wall off the unending horrors enacted upon them in order
to avoid going slowly mad. And contrast to this, people

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who survive time limited torture, with their cultural heritage and
group preservation instincts still intact, may react quite differently. And
that's the different The people who have their cultures and
tact can come together and oppose their enemy is more effectively.

(02:12:11):
But if you don't have that group since and you
have all of these enemies bearing down on you, all
you can do is be divided and conquered. Quite frankly.
So one of the major purposes of the strategy that
I have prescribed in my book is to reclaim this

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African self, to reclaim our sense of being tied together,
inextricably tied together. And we just have to work on it.
But as long as we just talk about it, as
I mentioned in the preface as well, these three these

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four steps to solving a proper Clearly we don't have
the group's sense that we should have. That's the problem. Okay,
So you have to describe the problem accurately, then generate
possible solutions, then test one solution, evaluate the outcome of
that test, and if not satisfied, repeat those steps. We

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get no further than constantly describing the problem. We don't
generate really credible solutions. The only solution to being robbed
of this spiritual quality, which is a sense of connectedness
and belongingness with our own people, is to directly try

(02:13:44):
to restore it. But we're so busy jumping over here
and there in this project and the other project, we
don't settle down to address the state of our brains,
the state of our minds, and this whole work is
in the tent to do just that. Let's get at

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our minds in shape. Let's go take our minds through
boot camp with the whole that on the other side
will come out fighting or it will come out as
as better soldiers in this psychological war, as Bobby Wright

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refers to it, against these psychopaths that we have to
deal with. But here, if you don't acknowledge that the
problem is that we've been robbed of the sense of
groupness and therefore cannot organize, then you'll need never solve it.
And just constantly talking about talking about it is not

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or describing and describing it is not hasn't done the trick,
nor will it ever. We have to address it directly
in some kind of Some people would call it therapy
or education, whatever you want to call it. I call
it self help group to directly address these deficits in

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our mind, in our brain.

Speaker 3 (02:15:12):
That's why we deal with solutions here eight hundred and
four or five zero, seventy eight, seven, six thirteen away
from the top. They are Anthony's online two. He's calling
from Washington, DC. Has a question for you, doctor Fox.
Grund Rising, Anthony. You're on with doctor Fox.

Speaker 18 (02:15:26):
How you doing, Doctor Fox? I just wanted to say, sir,
I agree with your laws one hundred percent. When you
talk about doctor Bobby Wrights. In fact, Chaster Williams have
a chapter in his book called a Uful of Bridge,
and he said it is three thousand years of study
between the black and white race. He said, it shows
that they can't like you, said, doctor Bobby Wright said, verified,

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it is that we can't get along.

Speaker 5 (02:15:51):
That he shows they cannot peacefully co exist with anybody.
We're able to do that.

Speaker 18 (02:15:58):
They aren't zedo phobic, We're not xenophobic.

Speaker 5 (02:16:01):
I agree that's right, And.

Speaker 18 (02:16:05):
In fact Malcolm even wonders too about saying, if we
don't wake up, the others gonna be for us. And
in fact, if blacks need to read the book the
Destruction of the German Jews and they don't believe it happened,
and stuff like that. And I want to say some
car about the FDA stuff. I can explain some of
the mindset. Uh we sometimes I think we uh kind

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of overemphasized, uh, the other side, like I think Africa's
need his book addicted to white and just as blacks.
I had an African tell me that the people over here,
a ladies from Nigeria, that her mother told her that
we were the bad blacks. That's why we are slaves.
I had an African tell me the museum, the African
American Museum, don't mean nothing to him. I had to say, hey, sir,

(02:16:49):
if we didn't fight for this, if it wasn't for
the civil rights movement, we were in the manor this
ground great for you get your people in the Harvard
and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (02:16:58):
Right, I get, But you know, I'm going to let
doctor Fox respond to that because I've heard those claims
before as well. But I thank you for your call.

Speaker 14 (02:17:08):
It's not as easy as we just think it is.

Speaker 3 (02:17:10):
It's just one side, right right, I get it, I
get it. I feel let's let's give the experts to respond,
you know, doctor Fox.

Speaker 5 (02:17:20):
Yeah, I address that. And the five white values that
we are addicted to, and those white use are predicated
on narcissism, greed, and violence. And when we, you know,
buy into that that, it's all that we will get

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is a division among ourselves and the inability to love
each other and provide for each other and even provide
for ourselves. You look at I mean, if we can't have,
if we can't straight more compassion and concern for our

(02:18:06):
own children, it's no wonder we're not able to demonstrate
the same for each other outside of of our of
our own households. When when we look at what our
children are confronted with, Uh, we should be all about
making certain that we make a better we prepare a

(02:18:30):
better space for them to be born into and to thrive.
We we haven't done that, We have no interest seemingly
in doing that currently until we get our heads in
the right order. So none of this should surprise us.
It's a part. All of it is a part of

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us or it is a product of us, of us
being addicted to white and until we address at issue,
uh will just be complaining forever about each other.

Speaker 3 (02:19:07):
Let me just say, for Anthony, you know that one
brother or two brothers that you spoke to, they don't
represent the entire African community. And again, just just like
one with the raunchiness in our community doesn't represent all
of us. So you gotta gotta you gotta use your
mind when you think about stuff like that. That doesn't
you just say, hey, it doesn't represent everybody. Just like

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the raunchiness that you see or even the good things
in our community don't represent all of us. And that's
the launchiness in our community. That's what they show to
the foreigners when they come here. That's why they have
those thoughts. So if a black man or the Tino
teaches you in differently because that's what he saw on TV,
that's what some of our people are engaged in.

Speaker 5 (02:19:47):
So it's not you got got to expand your mind, right,
And then they're trying like the so called Hispanics who
comes here, they am here with the mission and being told,
you know, really associate with white folk because those are
the people that can really help you. And in a sense,

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since that whites do control the resources, that makes on
the surface some sense, But they see now their best
that would have been to unite with black folk and
voting the right people in place so that they wouldn't
be experiencing all of this that they are currently experiencing.

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But also to some of the sense you were saying,
it's not all uh yeah, part of the and I
don't want to an any way offend the brother who
just called, but part of us carping on, you know,
taking a few arerant black folk, or many, or perhaps

(02:20:54):
even many arrant black folk, and being extremely angry at
them is a cop out in a sense, because all
of that energy and anger that we are directing, and
of course our fallen brothers and sisters, should be directed

(02:21:15):
to our white enemies. Quite frankly, we should be planning
day and night with that energy of how to overcome them,
as opposed to how to condemn, you know, condemn members
of our own race, albeit you know, sort of prodigal
sons and daughters. But that energy is really a cop

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out and a cover up for our own cowardice. We'd
rather express anger and rage at each other because they
permit that as opposed to called black on black violence,
because they permit that as opposed to taking that same

(02:21:59):
energy and applying it to them in their communities. So
you know, be careful with that.

Speaker 3 (02:22:06):
I couldn't have said it better. Sticks away from the
top of I got a tweet question for you, though,
Doctor Fox. Interesting tweet says is doctor Fox familiar with
the New York City politics? And the tweeter goes on
to say, specifically the upcoming mayoral election with the incumbent
of black man Eric Adams, former disgrace mayor disgrace Governor
Andrew Cuomo, and the Democratic primary winner, Zorn Mandani, what

(02:22:28):
are your thoughts on Eric Adams Zorn Mandani.

Speaker 5 (02:22:32):
Yeah, you know, I try to stay I'm current with
as much as possible. Obviously I can't be speak on everything,
but I have uh followed that a little bit, and
from what I've been able to see, Uh, the Democratic

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I guess he is the Democratic nominee. Uh, the what's
his last name of don me Mandi. He's the kind
of person that we should be voting for. He's talking
about making uh the lives of people and particularly poor people.

Speaker 8 (02:23:18):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:23:18):
We just were all over represent in and demographics, making
poor people's lives, so called working people's lives easier, so
that so that they can afford a place to live

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in other than the streets, and and et cetera, and
make their schools better, et cetera. She seems to be sincere.
And that's all we can go on at this point.
And and it's kind of revelatory. The the other cowardly
black Democrats have not thrown their support behind him and Droves.

(02:24:07):
Why is that? Because once again they're cowards. They're trying
to figure out you know who? Uh, I hear once again. Uh,
every time we try to make strides, there's a jew
in uh in opposition. And that doesn't mean that we
don't have many Jewish supporters. But as I as I

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pointed out uh before or uh, this whole claim that
he has sid something or is not a supporter of
Jews as they would like him to be. Uh, we
we've got to learn to ignore that. But if if
our whole organization.

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
Or lie I know that right there, do I'll let
you continue explaining that because it is a problem in
New York City. The Blacks in New York City always
they confuse. They don't know what to do. Who to
vote for? Should vote for the white oppression or this
should vote for this guy who is not even fully black,
if you will, even though he was born in Uganda.
Why don't you deal with that?

Speaker 17 (02:25:10):
When we get back from the show, you're facing with
the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (02:25:21):
You're fracking with the most submissive yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:25:36):
Wanting Here with doctor Jermy Fox. He's a clinical psychologist,
the best not for his best selling workbook, It's Addicted
to White the Oppressed in league with the oppressor of
shame based Alliance. And we're discussing the New York mayoral race.
Now most of you have been following this program. We've
talked about it quite a bit. Mandannie, he's a rich
comes from a rich family is Uganda, uh and but

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he's he's Asian, and he's leading the polls. In fact,
he's doubled the Lake's polls. He's doubled Cuomo, who's white,
who is a former governor. He's running for mayor of
New York City. This is the mayor of New York City.
The other entrance is the former mayor who was the
current mayor. Should say Eric Adams or former NYPD. Also
Curtie Sleew is in the race as well. He's white.
He's running on in the GOP ticket. And the question

(02:26:20):
is that during the race, doctor Fox, the old god
old Democratic guard from down in South Carolina, I can
think of his name right now. She's faced. But he
was telling all and the black churches, you've got to
support pumb We can't support this guy. It's just the
same tackle that was used against Harris were focusing on
instead of their policies, they're focusing on their heritage.

Speaker 5 (02:26:40):
That's right, that's right. That's at least in my opinion,
that is precisely right. As I said in the past,
I get up thinking like a general, and I go
to bed thinking like a general. And we have to
train ourselves to think like uh, you know, soldiers in

(02:27:05):
an our army trying to counter uh this attack on
black people. And when you think logically uh uh, I
mean you plan logically your warfare, you will very easily
see that the color is not necessary in terms of politicians,

(02:27:29):
is not necessarily an issue. The only issue who needs
to be who represents what we need uh in order
to pursue our liberation. Best and you put you never
know until you put a person in their office and
they're tested.

Speaker 18 (02:27:50):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:27:50):
But unfortunately, and we put people in the office don't
even present an agenda for them to follow, to execute,
to fulfill. But if we were thinking like an army,
we'd have that that agenda and we would base our
voting on that agenda, and then once that person is

(02:28:13):
in demand, that they execute that agenda. It's very simple,
and we stand ready to put them in and to
take them out, and to do that as often as
we need to do in order to protect ourselves. So
you know, whoever was in there before all these has

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been como and the current uh mayor you look at
what they've done. Is your situation any better or has
it gotten worse? The numbers of homeless people increased or decreased,
Has your rent increased or your ability to pay your

(02:28:59):
rent increased or decreased? And on and on down the
down on anybody that's promising seeing to put food on
your table to make it easiier for you to have
a roof over your head, those other that's the person
that you need to be focusing your attention on. I

(02:29:22):
don't care what what race they are. It's it's just
you know, odd that this Ugandan who has called himself
in the past on applications African American, UH, which I
guess technically he is, including Elon Musk is also technically
African American, but he's not black African American. And now

(02:29:45):
either is this person who is Indian who's family you know,
migrated or immigrated to Uganda.

Speaker 12 (02:29:56):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
But but it may have given him uh more sympathy
for the underserved, which he which he claims to have
and and and have programs to address the needs of
the underserved. That's very important. I think a lot of
the stuff that the people are complaining about nationally. Harris

(02:30:21):
had a specific plan for UH by plan and UH
to not only perhaps increase Medicare, but to allow medical
medici them in, but to allow Medicare to pay for
uh the UH elderly care UH, something in that you

(02:30:42):
know Trump is trying to take away. So you look
at the plan, you look at the policies, and you
vote those people are in and you my uniture their
accomplishment and not of p and have all this love
for Biden, but you look at his history. Even as
a yeah, young man, he was just behind this whole

(02:31:04):
war on drugs. They begged him to go along with
us since getting rid of that solabuster so that the
uh uh I forget his name, uh uh forgive me.
But the voting Rights bill could be put could be

(02:31:27):
passed as well as the police uh Brutality Bill, the
Floyd Police Brutality built that would strip the gestoppo uh
from qualified immunity. But he wouldn't go along with it.
You got to look at the policies. We we wouldn't

(02:31:47):
be in this situation, the voting's right situation and continue
police abuse of the black community. Perhaps if uh he
had run along with getting rid of that filibusters so
that those two laws could be put in place. So
you look at the people and actually what they're doing

(02:32:08):
or what they're proposing to do, and you put them
in monitor her promises so called kept as Trump likes
to say or not and get them out if they
don't do what you told them to do, or continue
to support them if they're doing what you what you

(02:32:30):
told them to do. It really is just that simple.
But we get all caught up in personality because we're
not thinking like generals in a war and and of
course that's what it leads to our current predicament. Nothing done.

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There are nothing done in our communities.

Speaker 3 (02:32:54):
Got you eight after top day, I let's go to
Palm Beache County, Florida. Cars waiting for us. He's online
three Grand Rising car Al You're own with doctor Jerom
Fox Grand Rising Brothering.

Speaker 19 (02:33:06):
I believe that we are a junctual where we need
deep conversation because the transfer of information. They are not
like us, because those of us who are the children
of the slaves, we had to come through Jim Crow,
We had to come through the count and tell pro
We had to come through Mohawk, New York when they
decided to set up their educational system. We had to

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come through all the poison, the dogs and all of
the other stuff. Nobody had to go through that but us.
And most of the time we don't know how to
put that in the play because people we have, people
like the governor of Florida and Trump, don't want you
to have that kind of quantitative knowledge. And I think
it devised us a lot because when you look at

(02:33:48):
us as African Americans, we've always supported everybody that had
a fight. We've been there on every kind of journey.
But no one has to have the love and respect.

Speaker 5 (02:33:57):
That's right, that's right. Why by the way, that right,
let me just reject really quickly. People are going to
be mad at me. But that's why I said to me,
I'm not investing any great energy in this whole immigration thing.
I realized the roots of it is anti black. But

(02:34:21):
at the same time, if your own people put Trump
in office, which the majority of the white so called
Hispanic I mean the so called his Hispanic males voted
for Trump, Uh, the so called blo culture that they

(02:34:44):
want to be a part of, then hey, look, you
have to suffer the consequences. Well, when we call on
you to help us, you're you know, absent. And yet
when and you, to your own foolishness voting in that
all sis a vote a person might try to be
your president when you're you won't support us, but you

(02:35:08):
want us to support you. No, we got to take
a stand on that. But go ahead.

Speaker 19 (02:35:14):
Yeah, but in the deduct detoxification process, we had our
beautiful sister on this morning, Miss Victoria Jones, and she's
over the United States a black chamber of commerce, and uh,
the Space Coast camera comes and she shared with us
that we had African American and various positions of power.
But they never mentioned us. They always mentioned everybody else.

(02:35:36):
And we got this culture in America where I think
they what they did with religion made us with just
love everybody thing as opposed to finding out who we
were and if we understood and mis education that is
being fostered by the entire educational system. And I'm not
talking about no specific school. I'm talking about the way

(02:35:57):
it was constructed. And I think if we would take
the time and exist, because we spend our money on
things that we love, and we find out we love cars,
houses and all that kind of stuff that white people love,
we'd have them fell in love with ourselves. And I
think if we value to value about more. And this
is where I say they're not like because we have

(02:36:17):
had to endure the most discous, estabaged destruction of the
human beings on the planet Earth. Well, yeah, that's what I.

Speaker 5 (02:36:27):
Just don't know, right, this deeply rooted, centuries long oppression
and has affected our brain apparently, but that's the past
before us to address constantly describe the problem, addressing it directly,

(02:36:52):
it's not good going to do us any good. It
hasn't done any good up to this point. We've made
a few strides here or there, but over all our people,
certainly internationally, are pretty much in the same content addition
being exploited by these white monsters, as James Baldwin referred

(02:37:17):
to them, uh who who cannot peacefully coexist with any
anybody exist except themselves. And he don't have problems dealing
with with themselves.

Speaker 19 (02:37:31):
But so, of course, you know, the greatest pan Africa,
the greatest Pan African is that I can think of
in the analysts of history from my perspective is the
honorable Minister Lewis Farakhan, and you never they never bring
him into that dialogue as it relates to the conflict
between the Ados and the foundation of Black and the
UH Pan Africa. I think if we were able to

(02:37:51):
get someone that was much more experienced like what we're
experiencing with you being the clinical psychology that means that
you spent time and doing that kind of vrain development,
I think we wanted to really look at Pan African
an other way to look at Toms Milston, Lewis far Khan.
But watch how you be excluded just like we excluded
when we're sitting in the chamber of Commas and everybody
speaking for everybody else and don't speak for.

Speaker 5 (02:38:13):
Us, right, well, allow me, yeah, yeah, this idea of
of love everybody. Uh, conveniently they leave off even if
you are a Christian, love thy neighbor as thyself and
then if you don't love yourself of anybody else properly.

(02:38:34):
But of course they leave that off. What they really
mean is allowed us crack us to run over you
and just rule the world and all of his resources.
And that's what they really mean by love. And unfortunate
because we've been trained not to use our own brains. Uh,

(02:38:55):
we adopt that nonsense.

Speaker 3 (02:38:58):
Let me just say at this and why those groups,
as you mentioned that they ate us in the what
an FDA group don't support uh Elijah Muhammad or Minister
far Gun or or who else stoken Carmichael Kwameterray or
Marcus Garvey, but they can support Clarence Thomas. That should
tell you right away which team you want to be on.

(02:39:19):
You know, you don't, you don't have to, you don't
have to think.

Speaker 5 (02:39:21):
You know, it's not hard, No, it's not make it hard.
With a lot of verbiage. But yes, it's not hard,
all right, it's very clear if you have a clear head.
But unfortunately, uh, we've allowed our heads to become clouded. Basically,
I say this in different terms in the book, but

(02:39:44):
I talk about accommodationists, assimilationists, and true revolutionists. Another way
of I guess categorizing our folk is or this whole
world in a sentence, we have u uh whites, people
who are not racist, at least not to degree that

(02:40:08):
we see like in a person like Trump. So we
have the whites, we have the crackers, who are white
rabbit races, and then and we have the blacks, and
then we have the wanna be whites. And a lot
of these so called brown people are wanna be whites.
So they're all confused. They wind up voting for a

(02:40:30):
persons and for their for their arch enemy, and now
they regret it. But that's it's because they're the desire
to be white uh led down the wrong path. So
we have whites, crackers, blacks, and wanna be whites. Uh.
And that's the situation, you know with Covi Bray.

Speaker 3 (02:40:52):
When we come back, though, doctor Fosh, can you elaborate
and tell us what we should be doing while all
this chaos is taking place on their plantation. What was
should we be doing as black people? How can we
take advantage of all the chaoss being you know, they're
in fighting amongst themselves. What can we do as black
people at this particular time in point now? Do so
we can take advantage of once once in that you know,

(02:41:13):
if they don't have their they only one hundred percent
trained on what we're trying to do. Family, you got
questions for doctor Fox, reach out to us and I'll
take your phone calls at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll take all your calls.

Speaker 1 (02:41:25):
Next now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (02:41:52):
Thank Grand Rising family, thanks for flowing with us on
this Thursday morning here this last Thursday of twenty twenty
five in July. I guess is doctor Romie Fox. And
doctor Fox, I mentioned as a clinical psychologist, is the
author of the best selling workbook. You got to pick
up that book. If you haven't, you'll understand a lot
what's going on in life. It's called Addicted to White,
The oppressed in league with the oppressor and the oponner.

(02:42:13):
I like the best shame based alliance before we left
for the breakdown. My question to doctor Fox's, well, all
this turmoil going on on the other side, you know,
with the they're talking about taxes, they're talking about tariffs
and Epstein finding the schools, all that stuff going on,
and it sort of they're not fully trained on us.
They're not ignoring us, by the way, but they're not
fully trained on us. What should we be doing to

(02:42:35):
take advantage of this situation as we speak right now,
Doctor Fox.

Speaker 5 (02:42:38):
Yes, as I said earlier, one of the major weapons
that we have in order to uh defend ourselves in
our community these is our right to the vote. Our
right to vote, and we need to utilize that in

(02:43:03):
greater proportions or percentages than our enemy. That's to me
just really primary getting the right people in position, and
in order to do that, you have to be aware
of who those candidates are or even perhaps present one

(02:43:25):
himself as a candidate to accomplish on this. But here
again we can't you know.

Speaker 8 (02:43:35):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:43:38):
Bobby Wright said something else that is really I guess,
uh relevant to today. He said something he was phrase
saying a what he called a mental health truth, and
he said the greatest pathology in the world. It is

(02:44:00):
for people to believe in something just because they wish
it to be. So we are not in great enough
shape to really take advantage perhaps of anything. Unfortunately, I
have to insert this because you don't all of a sudden,

(02:44:24):
just through wishful thinking, uh, get uh woken of to
start organizing to take advantage of your enemy. Of your enemies.
Can't being divided and in disarray. If you if you,

(02:44:45):
if you haven't all already been on the battlefield with
your war plan. We have not been on the battlefield.

Speaker 14 (02:44:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:44:53):
We act like, you know, there's nothing to see here
until it just absolutely hits our doorstep. When they see that,
they're you know, they can't get a doctor's appointment. Uh,
their you know foods said, I've been eliminated, et cetera,
et cetera. Then they get and they got excited, but

(02:45:14):
by that time it's too late. I know, a person
to apprise himself or not voting have to work for
the government, and of course his job was being eliminated
if he didn't, or he was going to be eliminated
or fight if he didn't resign. So I could say,

(02:45:35):
now you see voting has consequences even into your own
personal lives. But we have become following behind our presses
so short sighted and so narcissistic just like them, that
we don't care about the group if it doesn't affect
me directly, and right now I'm not concerned. And that's

(02:45:59):
not a form for being able to take advantage of
when your enemies can't is in disarray. They don't even
see us vent themselves as being in war. But if
you do, if you have followed, the bestest thing you

(02:46:19):
can is probably what you've already been doing, which is
voting for the right people to limit the opposition. If
that those people are not going to solve our issues,
they can limit the pressure on our lives with their
proper policies. Support black businesses. Support people like you and

(02:46:45):
your station, your company who do who are trying to
help us get our active together and our brains together
and our and our pennies together. Support uh, people like
yourselves and your company h black business since trying to

(02:47:06):
help black people and not just follow white folks and
exploiting black people. And you know, continue to do what
you've been doing, and certainly add if if you haven't
already done this add this project of helping our folks

(02:47:28):
detoxify from this white value system, because once we get free,
once our brains get free, that we will see all
kinds of other things that.

Speaker 3 (02:47:40):
We interrupt You for a second, here, doctor Fox, How
can we do that when many of our folks don't
know that we need detoxification. We don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:47:49):
I mean you have to use your your powers of
persuasion one on one to help them. Sometimes it just
begins with, hey, take a look at this book and
let us talk this addicted to white work book and
let us talk about it after you read it. You

(02:48:10):
have to be more aggressive and sort of pushing them
towards Uh. Uh, you're looking at themselves and looking at
ourselves in a more productive way. It's not going to
happen overnight. But you have to extend the effort.

Speaker 14 (02:48:27):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:48:28):
I put thousands of dollars into this effort. Haven't made
a profit really yet. Uh. And trying to encourage our
people to talk to each other, to talk this through,
talk the addiction out of our system. We can we
can do that together, but only together. That's where the

(02:48:51):
the effort, the the the effort has to be extended
and if we're not willing to do that, if we
just sit back and say, well, the people around me
are just lost, and we never extend the effort to
invite them to think about their situation a little bit

(02:49:12):
differently than we can't expect any changes in our circumstance.
To me, there's only one way through this is to
get convinced enough of our people to reassess how they

(02:49:32):
look at life. And I'm saying, how we've been trained
to look at life is through white eyes, and we
have to get rid of stop that in order to
see more clearly what we can do to help ourselves.
And I know the people have been saying that, maybe
even some organizations like the Nation have been trying to

(02:49:55):
work on that. But we have to intensify effort to
persuade the people in our circle. I know a lot
of other people who know me who have had this
this book. They're in conversations online with these chat groups
or whatever. And as these groups talk about even some

(02:50:15):
of these black chat chat groups, and as they talk
about our people, they never even bring up the book. Hey, look,
I know about this strategy for us, you know, clearing
our minds. Most of these conversations results, as I said

(02:50:35):
many many times before, could conclude with the idea that
we're messed up in the head. Okay, if that's true,
then let's address that messed up in the head. And
the people have had had have have had the opportunity
to say, hey, let's take a look at this book

(02:50:56):
we have, we have a formula here for dealing with
that messed up state of of of our mind. And
they don't even mention it. You know, So until more
actively take responsibility to try to help each other, you know,

(02:51:19):
enter some kind of of of program, group whatever to
address this issue, it's.

Speaker 8 (02:51:26):
Not going to change.

Speaker 5 (02:51:27):
It's like saying, you know, why do I still have
cancer and I haven't done anything to treat it?

Speaker 3 (02:51:35):
Yeah, hold on through that doc thirty minutes after Top
Down Family, I guess it's doctor Jerremy Fox. He's a
Temples affiliated with Temple. You still affelate with Temple a
Temple University.

Speaker 5 (02:51:46):
No, I'm not teaching their Uh it was a community class.
I haven't done that recently.

Speaker 3 (02:51:56):
And doctor Fox is the author of their best selling
work We're Addicted to White Deal Press in Legal with
the Oppress. Not only but he practiced what he preaches.
Let me just share this with you. He mentioned he
hasn't made a dime from selling the book, so he's
not trying to get you to buy the book for
to make money for himself. And on top of that,
he advertises on both our stations, the w LB and

(02:52:17):
w o L. He puts his money because he wants us.
He generally wants to help us. Eight hundred and four
five zero seventy eight seventy six score the line three.
Brother Tokyomo's calling. He's in Niger. I think it's in Legas,
Grand Rising, Brother Tokyomo. Are you in Legas this morning?

Speaker 7 (02:52:34):
That's right, that's what I'm I'm in Legos. Thanks what
to keep my call?

Speaker 11 (02:52:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (02:52:40):
I enjoyed.

Speaker 7 (02:52:41):
I enjoyed this compensation on a lot. What did I
always said to myself? How do we escape from this
addiction to white the white wheel of life? The only way,
the only way I look at it is we're in

(02:53:02):
the USA and in the Western world already in the
belly of the beast. There's no escaping, there's no escaping
the way of life as long as you're in there,
in the belly of the beast. In order to get
away from me. You have to physically check yourself.

Speaker 8 (02:53:23):
Out of it.

Speaker 7 (02:53:23):
That's why I relocated to Africa. I was born here
that I have no problem living here, so I came
back home. I mean, everything you're.

Speaker 5 (02:53:33):
Doing, unfortunately, you know, this work of cleansing one's mind
can be done anywhere. Quite frankly, yeah, you have an
opposition in the belly of the beast. But because of
Western influences being spread over the world worldwide, you still

(02:53:58):
went into the same issues, be you in Nigeria or
in or in you know, the United Snakes of America,
because it's the same issues. You have people listening to raps,
rap music because uh, you know, America seems to be

(02:54:21):
the cultural arbiter of the world. Nonsense lyrics, nothing really
helpful to their positions in those boat cities in your nation.
It's the same issues. No matter where we're at, we

(02:54:42):
have to pause and to take a look at at
our minds and come together to do something about that.
It really doesn't matter where we're at, but.

Speaker 7 (02:54:56):
Go ahead, totally totally agree with you. I totally agree
with the professor. The first thing is to clear your mind,
to know that you're African and be as Africans as
much as you can. But so unfortunately it's very, very
difficult doing that literally in the West. It's a lot
of challenges to you just being being in Africa. It's

(02:55:20):
a challenge by itself.

Speaker 5 (02:55:21):
Yeah, no doubt, but it's not hard.

Speaker 7 (02:55:23):
I agree with you, right, it's not as factable, but
it's your president, your president uphill battle every day.

Speaker 9 (02:55:33):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 14 (02:55:34):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (02:55:35):
The challenge is that's what I have to come to
you right.

Speaker 5 (02:55:41):
With the word about the book though, all.

Speaker 3 (02:55:46):
Right, Doc, you want to respond to what Tokyomo from later?

Speaker 5 (02:55:52):
So yeah, I I just did. I I know that
as I said, I mean, and those poor areas, the
Western culture and black h backwardness is rampant.

Speaker 10 (02:56:13):
You have.

Speaker 5 (02:56:15):
Uh, there was a special on I think it was
sixty minutes, not long too long ago. I think it
was in Kenya. In Kenya where it is connsidered to
be the so called Silicon Valley of Africa. Where are
these white oppressors have gone over there, the Mark Zuckerberg's

(02:56:37):
and other folks, uh to get trying to get their
foothold in the AI, a up and coming industry and
having these black workers uh put in the computer all
of this nonsense, all of this perverted nonsense, so that

(02:57:01):
the AII can be as completely, as complete and broad
based as possible. And they interview these workers in Kenya.
They were practically losing their mind and not being paid
anything but their government and their corporate bosses, their black

(02:57:21):
African corporate bosses. We're supporting this kind of nonsense, this
kind of exploitation of their minds and of their household economy.
So I mean, and you have people all over Africa,
many of the leaders, who are as addicted to white

(02:57:41):
as anybody can be. So really, there's no hiding place.
You have to throw down on your bucket where you're
at as bookers to Washington and once they hit and
begin work wherever you're at, all right, and where.

Speaker 3 (02:58:01):
We're at now, we've got to take a short break
and also when we come back, Christian Malbury has a
question for your family YouTube conjoin our conversation with that guest,
the doctor Jeromy Fox, so mention. He's the author of
the best selling workbook Addicted to White, The Oppressed in
League with the Oppressor. Telephone number you call you want
to speak to doctor Fox's eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls

(02:58:22):
next Grand Rising family, and thanks for sticking with us

(02:58:45):
on this Thursday morning, this last Thursday in July twenty
twenty five. I guess it's doctor Jeromy Fox. His Book
of Calls is the best selling workbook addicted to White
the Oppressed, in league with the oppressor, shame based alliance.
Before we go back to you know, i's worry mind you.
Tomorrow's Friday, of course, were going to give you a
chance to free mind all that means. It's just a
thing for yourself and reach out to us in our
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(02:59:07):
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have a bunch of folks who wait till the last
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or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Keep that number
hand that you're needed for tomorrow. You need right now though,

(02:59:29):
let's go to a Christian's calling us and from Malibu.
He's online too. He wants to speak with doctor Fox.
Grand Rising Christian. You're on with doctor Fox.

Speaker 9 (02:59:37):
Good morning, gentlemen, Doctor Fox. We have to stop wasting time.
We need to have an agenda. Then we need to
highlight it. It's going to be reparations. First. Well, what
is it called when you shoot people in the back?
To put shootm in the back? If we have to
call that, But we have to identify these people like
Jim Clyburn, who's against that. We have to vote for
somebody that really has a meaningful chance nineteen forty five

(03:00:02):
to Now, what is the one thing all the presidents
have in common? All of them have been married. So
when you get candidates running up there and they're not married,
and I'm talking about crocking some other people, you just
wasting your time. And the thing about it is is
you have to talk about reparations started eight teen with
forty acres and the Arabian horse. You have to have
a minimum standard and have to be across the board.

(03:00:23):
We can't talk in hypotheticals. What do you think about
what I just said?

Speaker 5 (03:00:27):
Well, yeah, see here again, We're constantly asked skinned people
or to our people to do something that right now
we're not capable of doing because when you say we
need this, we need the other, it's only a minority
of us who see that until we get at least

(03:00:53):
a you know, a requisite number of people to see
it the same were a in order to be effective
in any action that we take, you need you know,
you need more than just a few people. As I
say in my book, uh in one of the sections.
Until we get that requisite number, uh, we're just blowing

(03:01:19):
in the wind because our folks aren't listening, and certainly,
in fact, they may be listening seeing more uhuh to
us than our own people because they realize, I said,
what we're saying is a threat to their program. But
until we get our minds or to too enough to

(03:01:44):
you know, see ourselves as a group. I've said to
some black people, we we need to do this. You
said this, we we and I've had black people say
what we are you talking about? Because us they don't
see themselves as a part of this group. And until
we can get enough of our people to realize that

(03:02:09):
we are at least treated as a group by our enemy,
it's just it's not gonna work. We can constantly say
I talk about it. I just talked about an agenda,
having getting candidates to support that agenda, putting them in
offic I don't care who they are, what their you know,

(03:02:32):
status is or whatever. Get them in off is monitor
uh their promise to you know, accomplish that agenda. If
they don't do, so, boot them out and keep doing
that until we get the you know, the right people there.

(03:02:52):
But that takes a group effort, with which if you
have a people that number one don't see ourselves as
a group, and now number two don't even want to
be an association with each other, that's a problem we
have to address first before before we can talk about

(03:03:13):
doing anything together.

Speaker 3 (03:03:17):
Yeah. Well, here's fourteen away from the time, doctor Fosh.
Can you explain the five core white values that many
of us are addicted to.

Speaker 5 (03:03:25):
Yes, White value number one is basically, everything black is bad,
everything white is good. I begin the description of these
values on page eleven of my workbook Value White value
number two. I'll translate it. Basically, what it's saying is

(03:03:48):
that things money and the things that money by eyes
is far more important than relationships. So we're willing to,
you know, sell each other poisoning in order to get
a trinket for ourselves. White value number three. And by
the way, they're willing to do the same white folk.

(03:04:11):
That is white value number three. White oppressors are trustworthy
recorders and interpreters of history and reality. That's why we
don't use our own agency and our own or the
agency of our minds to question them and their ideas

(03:04:31):
at every point, at every turn. White value number four.
Individualism is better than collectivism. Hence obligations to the group
that I was just discussing are subordinate to personal gain.
So I got my mind, you got yours to get.

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And white value number five, the best way to feel
good about yourself is by surpassing, outdoing, and defeating someone
else in an activity, achievement or personal characterististic This value
it runs deep. Uh, it's the way that we, or

(03:05:11):
that this society has designed for us to feel good
about ourselves. Everybody wants to feel good about him or herself,
and this is the way that the white the white
value system and worldview who tells us is basically the
only way that we can feel good about ourselves is

(03:05:33):
by this constant competition, to comparing and what we what
we have versus the next person right beside us. And
of course this kind of competition is promoted fiercely on
a black folk, not with not not competition with white folks,

(03:05:56):
but among ourselves, uh, to uh ensure or that we
are or you united in our effort to you know,
to combat or pose our white enemies. So those are
the five white values, values that we have fallen prey to.

(03:06:18):
And that value system in general is predicated on narcissism,
of which racism is a subcategory of narcissism. You know,
my eye people are better than your people. Narcissism, greed
and violence, Uh what I call the the nev, which

(03:06:38):
is a heap word for south, Uh, you know, going
south perhaps in our in our whole view of the world.
But any rate, those are the five white values.

Speaker 3 (03:06:50):
But but don foss on other races are also addicted
to white Asians Hispanish.

Speaker 5 (03:06:55):
Well, the white people created these values. They they they
they are the ones who who practice these values is
every day themselves and we see that very clearly. They
put money before relationships. They have convinced themselves since that
you know, everything black is bad, but everything white is good.

(03:07:18):
They're very individualististic and very competitive. So yeah, they practice
these values, but we as an oppressed group, cannot afford
to mimic the oppressor and expect to overcome them. You know,
we're using the same tools that they're using to oppress us,

(03:07:42):
and we just want to end up oppressing us too.

Speaker 3 (03:07:47):
Out of all the five white values that we're addicted to,
which one would you consider the most lethal for us
as a group.

Speaker 5 (03:07:55):
You know, they're really so interconnected. It's really hard to say.
You know, I guess everything white is good and everything
black is bad. It's kind of lays the ground where
for the other for value because if you didn't believe that,
you would be more prepared to reject their system. Uh,

(03:08:20):
their their their value system, disorder the rest of their values.
But really they're so interconnected that that it's difficult to say.
But as I said, that value number one, everything black
is bad and every anything white is good sir as
a foundation for all the others.

Speaker 4 (03:08:42):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:08:42):
That's why a person, that black person wouldn't listen to
me because I'm not white, and so I can't convince
them about anything else. It all begins with that.

Speaker 3 (03:08:58):
Yeah, we've had what we've a call it coomb In
and he was boasting and he had a Jewish accountant.
You know, it's just he took pride in that, but
he doesn't understand how addicted to why he is. What
would you say to that brother, Well, yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:09:15):
As I would say to anyone, because we all have
our degrees of addiction. It's on a continuum.

Speaker 12 (03:09:23):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:09:24):
Nobody is completely free, unfortunately because of the extraordinary effort
to brainwash, to brainwash us over the centuries. So I
would say to him, I would say to anybody else,
get my book, read it and enact it because it's
a prescription for overcoming that kind of sickness.

Speaker 3 (03:09:48):
I think she won. The overcome is not going to
happen overnight as well. It's going to take explain that
process for us.

Speaker 5 (03:09:55):
It was going to take effort. And my book lays
out this is a G group. I recommend to prescribe
a group, uh that we form a group that I
call into Blessedness spelled E N T O U uh.
And those letters stand for envy, not the oppressor, because

(03:10:16):
a lot of our protests is out of envy. We
want to be like them. We don't want to get
rid of them. We just want to trade places with them,
like you know, trading places. So start those groups and
and the the work that I uh prescribed in the

(03:10:36):
book would take at least a year to complete, to
go through. It's more like a treatment. So begin that.

Speaker 3 (03:10:47):
And let me tell me in here racing the clock
for value number five for our brothers in the A
F D A who were blacker than now, who think
they're they're they're more better.

Speaker 5 (03:10:59):
Than black competition, that constant competition, Can you address that
for us? Well, yeah, the value number is uh this. Uh,
we've been encouraged to constantly compete with each other effects
even in the so called uh woke and you know,

(03:11:20):
the the black intelligencia where where they don't realize it,
but everybody's competing for the spotlight. In some instances, having
the spot right puts my money in their pockets. And
that's white value number two.

Speaker 14 (03:11:37):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:11:38):
We can't annoy that as a motivation for bickering. You know,
I want you to support my organization with your money
as as opposed to that other organization. But it's also
so I've convinced myself that I'm better than you That's
that's why I always try to U make it plain
that we all suffer her from from this addiction to

(03:12:02):
white I don't care what we call ourselves black activists
or you know, sambo. We all suffer from this, and
we all have an obligation to try to enter recovery
from this.

Speaker 3 (03:12:19):
Right and let me telling me here because I got
a tweet question, and tweeter says, she's been pushing your
book for quite some time, and she's getting pushed back
from some of the folks because they don't want to
hear that black stuff, that African stuff. What should her
response be, that's her question.

Speaker 5 (03:12:31):
Well, I mean she's done her job. You can't expend
too much energy, you know, are arguing with people who
really just don't want it. You move on to the
next one, because if we're going to be free by
this means, it's going to have to be by word
of mouth. So you spread it up to everybody, and

(03:12:54):
their reaction to it is not really your responsibility. Hopefully,
some as that scripture in the Bible about the sower
of seeds, some of those seeds will fall on fertile
ground and you'll be able to have a further conversation
with those people who get it and really take it

(03:13:15):
to heart. But other than that, I mean she's done
her job. Keep spreading the word, you.

Speaker 3 (03:13:20):
Know, all right, doctor Fox? Before we let you go,
how can folks get copies of the book?

Speaker 5 (03:13:27):
Well, for our Baltimore listeners, the African World Books on
twenty two seventeen, Pennsylvania Avenue have it in stock, and
for everybody else else, if you have a black bookstore,
check there. But you can also get it online at

(03:13:49):
Amazon dot com. If you want to order it from
a bookstore and they don't have it on the shelf,
they can order it for you. But as I said,
the other option is Amazon dot com.

Speaker 9 (03:14:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:14:02):
I got three or four tweets to tell that they
support you, doctor Fox, and they said you're winning, and
they give it all kinds of accolades. But they want
you to let me to let you know that they
really appreciate what you shared, all the information you shared
with us all over these years well working for urishment. Yeah,
all right, thank you, doctor Fox. Thank you for all

(03:14:23):
that you show shared with us today. But we were
classes dismissed for the day. Thank you again, doctor Fox.

Speaker 5 (03:14:29):
All right, then take care all right.

Speaker 3 (03:14:30):
Family classes over for the day. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock.
Right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, and also
in the DMV. We're on FM ninety five point nine
and AM fourteen fifty wol.

Speaker 6 (03:15:00):
M HM h Ooks Books, Books, Books

Speaker 1 (03:15:21):
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