Dr. Joy DeGruy on Community Healing, Ebony McMorris on Trump's Remarks, Dr. Nah Dove on Race and Culture, and Dr. Kelechi Egwim on Empowerment

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And grund Rising Family, and welcome to Wednesday. Later, a
clinical psychologist, doctor Jodie Grew will report to our classroom.
Doctor Gergreux is best known for her book post Traumatic
Slave Syndrome, Many People Suffering from that For doctor Degrew, though,
American Urban Radio Networks White House reporter Ebane mcmurris will
respond to Donald Trump's describing her as obnoxious. Also before

(00:23):
Ebony Temple University, afrocology professor doctor now Dove will explain
the cultural construction of race and momentarily, the executive director
of Appeal, doctor Cleicchi A. Gwynn, will join us. But
right now, let's get Kevin to get these doors open
and get this school session started. Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hey, gol Nelson Man, Grand Rising. Happy Wednesday, the twenty
fourth of September. And where does the time go? I'm
telling you, the year just seems to be flying by.
How are you feeling, mister Carl Nelson?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh, Kevin, I'm always in a learning mode, man, That's
that's my that's my mode. I'm still learning. Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
You better, I'm telling you, or your growth will be stunted.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
And we don't want that to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
No, now do we of course not.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, man, And I'm looking forward to hearing from Ebony,
you know, because it's crazy when the news reporter becomes
the news. Yeah, and you know, especially you know, I
know her, We work together for so long, so it's
going to be interesting just to hear her side of
this thing, right, and.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
To hear what she has to say that, you know,
the President of the United States calling you out and
describing you as obnoxious.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, well, well it just goes to show you, you know,
that whole thing about six degrees of separation, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
How yeah, how long before the president actually says something
to you? Carl, you better help watch you.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm trying to stay out of the radar, brother, and
let them fire their shot. So let him stay out
of the radar. That's that's my thing.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
It's a very poor radar.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I don't even know I exist.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well, okay, then, so what's training in the news this morning?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Kevin?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm glad you asked that question. I can't prepared to
answer it. Can we go to the u n Trump blasts,
as they say in Politico, he blasts the un for
not living up to its potential, But first, of course,
the escalator ride. You know, I don't know what you will.
You heard about it, right, yeah, I heard about it.

(02:38):
Escalator broke down halfway up and uh, and the President
said that it's a it's a good thing the first
lady is so fit, or else she could have gotten
hurd He since and then he proclaimed his own fitness too.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, I'm very fit, you know. And uh. And
then but.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Before you move on of that, do you think that
was stage? So he could he could you know, show
you know, I'm still fit because people are criticizing him
thinking he's closer near death. He does have some health challenges,
but he's keeping those under wraps. So now that he
can walk up the escalator because people say he can't,
you know, they were in his golf and he's got
to use the carts all the time. Uh, he's got
maybe have some serious health challenges. It's been hiding from

(03:21):
the American public. And see with his hand even in
his press Conegil since he covers the hand with with
the markings on it. So you think that was all
stage just to to push back on that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, I'm gonna say it like this, if you can
stage being shot, then you could stage going up an escalator.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
However, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, the convenient stops halfway.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, and it stops halfway of course, so you can
get a good camera angle and all.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Right, and and something because if it stops a third
of the way is oh, that's not a big deal. No,
it stops at the bottom. That's too much, too much energy,
too much. He's got to walk, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
And if it.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Stops before you, you know, before you get to it,
then there's an elevator or something, you know, So it's
got to be while you're already there, you know, so
you have to finish the walk. It's got symbolic. I
think it could be symbolic, you know. But but but mewhile.
And then as if bad matters weren't enough, then the

(04:26):
teleprompter stops working, and he goes, somebody's gonna be in
trouble because of the the teleprompter notworking. So what do
you think of that? Can he speak extemporaneously?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, that was what he was trying to prove, and
and people if the teleprompter wasn't working, I'm sure the
White House ages whoever wrote that speech for him, I
think might have been Stephen Miller wrote the speech for him.
They'd be concerned because if he when he goes our script, Kevin,
that's when things go haywire. You know, when he says
what he really wants to say, that's the problem. So yeah,

(05:00):
and and that's where you know, he went in on
on the imagine you you have the party at your
house and you you you're lambasting the folks who came
to the party. You know, if you notice there's no applause,
that people just sort of stood there stoically, and there's like,
what is this man saying? And if you read them,

(05:20):
I was reading some of the only got a few
chances to scan some of the British papers, and it's
just blasting him. Tell you what he said?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Oh yeah, he's uh, I think he's the world's number
one person to uh, you know, I don't know pay
attention to.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Here's here's here's something that that that didn't go on
touch And they mentioned this though. He used that to
to uh, you know, to campaign for the for the
Nobel Prize. You know how many warst I deserve an
Nobel Prize because he's hoping because now you're on the
world stage. Whatever you do, when you speak of the
General Assembly, it's going to be on the evening news
all across the countries. Who all the countries are represented

(05:57):
at the UN and that's most of the countries in
the world. And he used that to push that he
deserves the Nobel Prize. And that comes on the heels
of the report in the Washington Post this morning. They're like,
more than seventy percent of the people, American people, not
just the rest of the world, American people he supposed
to be represent seventy percent in that area. Say no,
you don't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. But anyway, but

(06:19):
you know, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
How they say, sometimes you give a person a raise,
you promote them to get them out of the way.
Give the guy the Nobel Prize, maybe he'll stop all
of this shenanigots he's pulling.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
But uh, I got to disagree because they feel if
he touches that, then he'll tarnish everybody else who want
and everybody else who want wins after that. They want
to keep this at a certain level, you know, and
you see you're looking at from an American standpoint. I
look at it from the rest of the world because
that's what it is. And the rest of the world
don't are not in love with Donald Trump, Like the

(06:54):
MAGA group is here in this country.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I see, okay, So then they hold on to it.
The Nobel prize. Mister Nobel was a bomb maker, and
he decided right right, and he decided the way to
make up for that was to give out a prize.
And so so this guy is exploding, imploding in the

(07:16):
country in the UN. So all right, then, I see.
But here's what happened at the UN. President Donald Trump
blasted the United Nations in his speech to the General
and simply suggesting that the organization was either ignoring or exacerbating,
you know, and making extreme the problems around the world

(07:37):
that were being left for him to fix.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Get that.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
He said, what is the purpose of the United Nations?
It's not even coming close to living up to its potential.
And it goes on and on and on, and he says,
how they they're funding that's it funding migration all over
the world, which is bringing illegal immigrants to Europe and America.

(08:05):
And he says, it's too bad that I had to
do things instead of the United Nations doing things. I've
ended seven wars, dealt with the leaders of each and
every one of these countries, and never even received a
phone call from the United Nations offering to help and
finalizing the deal.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, in one of those wars. He didn't after his
unraveling anyway, ever since they reached the peace of court.
But he won't mention.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
That, of course not you know, No, he's trying to
continue to make himself look good.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Including one more thing.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Trump says that Taylanol causes autism, even though he has
a problem pronouncing the word a ceda benefit.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
But he says it causes autism.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
And of course it's been outwardly denied that that's not true.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But you know, part of the problem too, ah starts
to us our time came, doctor Hosk can believe uh,
you know he's he's walking back. Trump's don't take the
tailand all comments, and it was revealed that the company,
the competing company for Thailand all he's got some investments
in it. So people are wondering, hey, is this the deal,
because don't want people to take tailand and take this

(09:18):
this product that he's got, he's got, he's invested in.
It's all kind of Shenanigans going. Man, you always got
to look on at the covers when when you see
things like this, because generally the health who's able to
challenge to the health department in the country, that would
be RFK makes these pronouncements, not the President of the
United States. He'll back it up if he's questioned at

(09:38):
a press comments or somewhere, he'll say, yeah, that's my man,
he said, and I agree with him. But he makes
the announcers if he came up discovering that what causes autism,
So you know, it's not going over well in the
medical field, let's put it that way.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, according to Newsweek, Trump got at least some of
his disinformation from a study sided by Health and Human
Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. Which means he might as
well have gotten it from trust mebro dot com.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well, it's the whole thing with RFK. He has no
health experience. He went to law school. You know, it's
like getting a plumber to fix your car, you know,
because you know I know a little bit about it,
you know, because you know I went to law school.
They didn't do anything. I didn't do any science. You know.
It was and then here's the other issue. To ken
the scientists behind Trump's talent own claims he was paid

(10:29):
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to give evidence against
the drug maker. So all of this stuff is coming out. Yeah,
it's a Harvard academic scientist. So he was given. He
says he gave the unreliable testimony to these links between
artists and the drug. I'm not even trying to pronounce
it and embarrass myself. Yeah, but he claims he was

(10:50):
giving one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You know, So
all of this is coming out. That's why they're star
on the back away, the back away. At least doctor
Oz is back in a way. But so far nothing
from RFK or dry. Oh Donald Trump, Well I'll be.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's never a dull moment here in I know.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
You know what it's causing too, and doctor George hopefully
I should talk about. It's called Trump fatigue. It's just
like a whiplash of just information and changes and all
that's going on, and people are, you know, people just
what that, What's what's next, What's what's coming up next?
People are dealing with that. So she's going to be
here later to help us navigate that issue.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So it's as overexposure. Well thanks that too. Hey, look
good things man, I appreciate the time.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Here on the Wednesday, twenty fourth of September, we've got
doctor Awn standing by to share some ideas about the
executive director of Appeal and what Appeal is up to.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
All right, thanks Kevin out the top, Doctor Egren, welcome
back to the program, Grand Rising, Brother.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
Rising, thank you so much for for having.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
You.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Know, as Kevin mentioned, you're the executive director of Appeal.
Can you tell our family what Appeal is? What is
you stand for?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
And you're having a big event. Also tell us about
that we lost doctor Clichi a Quin. Hopefully we have
a loss in Kevin. She get him back first on
the phone. Doctor Is he that guy, doctor collechi Aquin.

(12:29):
He's the executive director of Appeal and they're having a
big event taking place. But most people, not most people,
and many people around the country don't know what Appeal
is or when it was started on what they do.
So he's gonna share the mission statement of Appeal with
us when we get him back on the phone at
thirteen after the topic. As I mentioned later, we're gonna
speak with doctor Droyd Grew. Also Ebany McMorris the Urban Networks,

(12:56):
she's there. What the White House reporter is going to
join as well. Doctor. Thank you for staying with us.
We just dropped your call in a moment ago. But yeah,
can you tell us an Appeals mission statement of what
Appeals stands from what you guys are doing today?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (13:10):
Well, yeah, this current weekend on on on on Saturday,
slightly on Sunday at UH at four pm at Clerical
Marcos Stander in Washington, d C. And also visually as well.
The Appeal is an organization. It's a it's a black
emparmament organization. The focus of Appeal is to maximize and

(13:36):
to organize resources of our people, just use our resources
strategically in order to create self sufficient, prosperous community. The
reach and scope of Appeal is global. We are we
are UH were started in a DC area, but we're

(13:59):
actually a national organization. We have members all over all
over the country and really all over the world. And
you know, the idea is to utilize the resources we
have within our community, you know, to make our community
beneficial and self sufficient. You know, we we we believe
that are Our greater problem is not a lack of resources,

(14:23):
oftentimes projected to be, but it's a lack of organization
of those resources. And we have the capacity within us
to organize those resources and then transform our relationship with
the system, so then we can be in a position
to be empowered for deliberation work, to do the generational work,

(14:48):
and to fulfill the tenence of Pan Africanism in terms
of you know, making our community truly truly prosperous. So
that's the broad mission appeal, and you know, we have
a lot of different platforms towards that mission, some of
good educational base because you know, we have to raise

(15:11):
the consciousness of our people. People. We need to appreciate
their place in history, who they are, and more importantly,
who they are, right, so you can have that proper orientation,
and with that orientation, we believe that the consciousness would
lead our people to be more puture in the progress

(15:33):
if necessary, and then listen to the historical culture of
political education that we do, which is key to the mission.
We also have financial literacy, so.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hold up, though, before you move on to financial though,
that's a cliche. Agree, I want to talk about education
in part because it seems like the people who know, no,
it's the people who don't know issues, don't know who
they are, don't know what their purpose in life is.
Those are the folks we've out to reach, and we
got to step aside for a few moments. When we
come back, though, tell us how what's the plan to

(16:04):
reach those folks? Those folks you know you appreciate to
the choir right now, all these folks are probably listening
to us. They're already on that page. They've got that down.
But there's a whole group of folks who are on
the outside who'll never tune it because they don't want
to get involved for some of the reason they they're
still asleep. How do you reach those folks? That's my
question to you, and I'll let you expound on that
when we get back. It's seventeen minutes after the top.

(16:25):
They have family thanks a waking up with us on
this Wednesday morning, hum day. We're halfway through the work
week with doctor Calichi a gwim. We'll take your phone
calls at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six next and ryand rising. Family thanks are waking
up with us on this Wednesday morning, and twenty minutes
after the top they out with that guess Doctor Collechi Gwin.
Doctor Collechi Grinn is the executive director of Appeal. Before

(16:46):
we left for the breakers, my question to him was,
how do we reach Because you talked about education, how
do we reach some of the folks who not listening
to us, They don't listen to this, They probably don't
even listen to radio. We're talking about ray ray poopoo
pooh pooh. You know what I'm talking about? That group
that that part of our segment of our community that
you know, just disconnected from us at all parts. How

(17:06):
do you reach those folks?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Win?

Speaker 7 (17:09):
Right, I mean, you're you're not going to reach everybody
through education. You're not going to reach everybody through books.
You're not going to reach everybody through the radio. You know,
the radio at least not radio programs. It just a
radio programs, because you know, that's just the nature of
the masses and that uh, consciousness raising has never been

(17:31):
a max movement and it's not it's never going to be.
How you reach the masses is by providing uh the
resources that meet their daily needs. You know we're talking
about you know, hands to mouth situation. The you know
that that particular segment of our population, you know, it's
looking for how whatever you're doing is coming to them.

(17:53):
In other words, what benefit your program is is coming
to them. And that's how we reach them, in other words,
by fulfilling our mission, you know, by providing products, by
providing resources. You know, you get them on the program
by by having a program for them. We're not going

(18:14):
to reach them through to you know, published some books,
you know. That's that's when we have the Black Sided
co Op, which is which is one of the platforms
appeal where we uh have products from black manufacturers and
bring them into one place. It's a farmer's market and
so many things. The community. The folks that are never
gonna listen to the radio radio station, you know, comes

(18:36):
you know, to the co op and we as they're
buying their products and they're seeing that black people actually
make the stuff that they buy, you know, they buy
from other places and those products are actually good products
that are beneficial to them, you know, health wise. I
talk to folks in there. I would never talk to
any other venues just because I wouldn't have the opportunity.

(18:58):
But here they are kind of like wow, you know
that would make this a detrigent Wow, it smells so good,
and that from me, you talk about the work the
organization is doing, because in other words, you're coming to
them where they are. You have to meet them, meet
the masses where they are. When the Credit Union is launched,
the programs that we'll have will also you meet them

(19:21):
where they are. You're not going to meet the masses
through pure education. You're going to have to provide the
services that meet their daily needs, show them that black
people can actually function. A lot of us are very,
very very indoctrinate into believing that we can't do anything
for ourselves with ourselves. You can't trust black people, you
can't you can't go to a black thenist or a

(19:43):
black lawyer. Black you know, we have this whte supremis
indoctrination that is infused in us. So you're going to
have to break that down by showing people otherwise.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
All Right, And that's the question I was going to
ask you, because many people still, as doctor Fonci commercial play,
addicted to white They still think that whatever, if it's white,
it's better. White man's ashes colder, he's sugar sweeter, and
it's water wetter. There's still a group in our community,
and not just our community, because other communities feel that way.
How the system of racism and white supremacy works makes

(20:15):
you feel that you're in ferior. Everything's in ferior to
white folks. And people don't understand. They get caught up
on the under the word white, when it's the system.
It's a system, and they perfected it. You know, it's
gouya hear people say I don't believe in white's right now,
it's not. It's the key word. It's the system. It's
not the color family. It's the system. But anyway, let
me digress a twenty flies. Of course, Yeah, they invested

(20:41):
in and they don't even know they're investing in, and
they regriterated it every time they speak. And sometimes once
you're aware and you listen to the conversation and go okay.
And some people, you know, they may hold sway over you,
maybe they're your boss or you know, your family. Mens.
You won't insult them. You just listen to just shake
your head and I hopefully one day you'll understand. Hopefully

(21:04):
one day you wake up or you know, gentlely nudge
them and tell them to read doctor Fox's book Addicted
to White, you know, pressed in league with their press's
shame based alliance. But having said that, doctor I gwim
Mark from Baltimore's doing us he's online two grand rise
in marketing with doctor Calicia gwim.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Yes, good morning jimen By the first of all, I
want to wish you on all your listeners are happy
Jewish New Year, the years fifty seven eighty six. I
hope it's a sweet year for all.

Speaker 8 (21:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
The question I asked us I go one to a
local civic association here in Baltimore, Marlin, and I wanted
to know what type of information do you have for
our neighborhoods and all that. Do you have speakers that
can come through associations because we deal with the old,
young folks and all kinds of residents in our neighborhoods
and all that. Do you do that type of a

(21:53):
connection or how does this work to get your information out?
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (21:58):
Absolutely, Yeah, definitely come to local organizations both in person
and virtually. You know, we do UH workshops, presentations on
a variety of topics. So we're more than happy uh,
we have I think we have members all over the
over the country. So you know, if there's an opportunity
to educate our people, especially deal with the youth, you know,

(22:23):
we're more than you know, happy to do that, and
we we have the capacity to do that. And of
course Baltimore is very close to our center operations, so
it's very much you know, we're actually in Baltimore from
time to time. So I would send an email to
info at appeal Inc dot org just indicate, you know,

(22:44):
will ned to you want and you know, the organization
information contact whatever, whatever the case may be, the subject
matter you want us to to to have a better
share on and we can do that. Just send an
email to info appeal ink dot org. You know, we
are here for you know, for the community, and education
is a big part of it, you know, in to

(23:06):
counteract the whitewashing of our brain, you know, and this
this beleef that we have, you know, in white supremacy,
we have to counter it with with with education and
we definitely here for that. So just send an email
to employ it appeal in dot org.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Twenty seven At the top they have with doctor Calici
agreeing from appeal. You know, one of the things that
struck me. You mentioned organized, and we were privileged to
do the last radio interview with Kwame ter Rays honest
that Bet And I asked him, you know, a brother, Kame,
what would you leave if something your message to leave
us with, what would it be? And he said, organize, organized, organized.

(23:45):
He kept saying it over and over. I thought, I
thought he was he was going through having an episode
and he's going organized, organized, organized. And I heard you
mentioned that a couple of times as well. Can you
elaborate on that when you said organized?

Speaker 7 (23:59):
Yes, Uh, you know, and because we recognize that those
of us, I add the fortunate meaning by the commentaries
once when I was in college, and I think it
was all probably would have been like Lily ninety one.
He was happening to be in in DC at the time.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
And it all comes down to that, you know, because
we have It's like you have the raw material to
build the machine if you have to build a machine.
Otherwise it's just pieces, you know. You know, we're still operating,
you know, trying to get a machine to do something.
It's and it's not put together. So it's our responsibility,

(24:41):
those of us that are conscious, those of us that
understand the system, understand our role and this mantling system,
understand historical perspective of who we are and whose responsibility
we are, and what our responsibility is is the people.
It's a responsible to build that machine, to put those

(25:03):
pieces together. In other words, we need to gather our people.
And it's not this is not sexy work. This is
not often it's not rewarding work when it's in the
sense of being you know, upfront rewarding work. But it's
critical work and it's a lifelong commitment. We must have.
Everybody you know who calls themselves conscious needs to be

(25:26):
involved in an an organization. Organized is not a not
an abstract thing. If you are a conscious person, if
you're a black conscious person and you are about black empowerment,
you should be in a black organization that is doing
the work. That's what work is done. You know, it
doesn't have to be appeal. It can be you and
I a it can be in Cobra there are a
lot of organizations that are doing the work, and Covia

(25:49):
there are a lot of positions that they're doing this work.
And as far as I'm concerned, as long as you're
in an organization, even if it's a civil organization and
they're doing the work. Organized, it is not does does
not mean you rearrange your cabinets in your home. It
means final organization in your community or naturally like appeal

(26:10):
that where the work is being done and and joined
be part of it. Don't just join and and and
say that I have my ID. Join the committees or
whatever structures in that organization that is doing the work.
This is how is This is how the machine gets built.
This is how the machine gets put together. And it
is critical if we have all the components that we need,

(26:33):
but those components be put together and that comes in
the form of our people who we are able to reach.
Because we talk about not being able to reach some
masters are the ones the way able to reach. Once
you reach you, once you now have an understanding and
you have an appreciation, now you need to activate. Don't
just know. Don't just know and keep it in your
pocket like like like like you gain something, you need

(26:54):
to now take that knowledge and apply into the building
of the machine, the organization of our people in order
to bring about the outcomes that we want and must have.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
You know, I'm so pleased that you said that are
twenty nine minutes away from the tom doctor CLEECHI here
great because so many times for black groups, we're always
in our silos. You know, we're doing this, and we're
always or as doctor fox Sports points out and is
addicted to white Book, we're always in competition with each other.
We're not in competition with the man. We're in competition
with each other. But you just you know, say hey,
we all can work together. And so I really appreciate that.

(27:28):
But let me ask you, though, I want to move
out and ask you about the what you do you
have the credit explain that how that came about?

Speaker 6 (27:37):
Right?

Speaker 7 (27:37):
So you know, part of the organizing, part of the
working that we still need to be done is the
organizing of our of our financial resources, our capital. You know,
in the United States, you know, we have a diversity
of communities the other words, you know, you know that
there are communities like for instance, I mentioned with the

(28:00):
area where you have pockets that are a little more
influent than baby communities and mobiles Alabama, right, you know,
and and you know, but across the spectrum we have
our people and you know, if we can pull our
resources across the spectrum of this country and create a
financial institution where those resources can now be channeled towards

(28:23):
doing the critical work. You know, while we're providing the services,
because again you're gonna have to meet the meet the
needs are the basic, you know, sort of hand the
mouth needs are the masters. But while you're doing that,
you're providing resources that that you know, that will fund

(28:46):
things in the community, over open distries in the community,
activities in the community, and you know, fund efforts that
nobody else is going to fund because if it only
benefits us, right, other benefit our community. So it's critical
to have an institution that can provide funding for land
and business development, that can help the control the production

(29:10):
and distribution uh and retailing of goods and services, and
opportunity to help producer employment and training, opens and training opportunities,
to finance ownership, wealth creation for empowerment and self sufficiency
and prosperity. That has to be that has to be
done by a financial institution, right, So our goal, one

(29:31):
of our goals, along with all the work that we're doing,
is to establish that financial institution, which is the appeal
for your credit union. The proposal for the credit union,
and we're we've become a long way on that effort.
You know, we've we've raised close to three hundred thousand
dollars towards that effort. We haven't quite without reached our

(29:51):
goal yet, but we're getting there. And you know, every
you know, and I believe a little by little grows
growths of banana.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
You know.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
It's a something that was easy to do. It had
been done already, right, but the hard stuff takes time.
It takes work, and we've been at it where we've
been consistent with it following appeal. We've grown consistently year
to year, and you know, we're very much getting close
to you and that we're in a chartering process right

(30:21):
now of the credit union. When the final stage of
the chartering process and all this effort comes together, not
just the you know, the fundraising, but the community building
because at the end of the day, you have to
have a community where we are proposing a national credit union.
This is not a locals and not DC is not
based on the occupation like the teachers or whatever. It's

(30:44):
not a bit based on being part of, you know,
some sorority. This is something that every black person all
over the country can be part of if you know,
through that effort, we believe that we'll be able to
pool those resources and then I think those resources more
beneficial to our people. It's critical that we have this

(31:06):
financial institution to organize the resources that we have and
it also allows us to connect the continent in unique ways.
But if you don't have an entity that can that
can that can provide you know, capital for an investment
on the continent, then you know, we'll always be talking
about the Chinese, the Chinese that you know, if you

(31:26):
don't have a machine that can, that can provide the
capital to do the investments on the continent where we
know that's where the future is. But if we're not
able to participate in it, then we'll just be sitting
on styline watching while everybody else benefits from it. But
in reality, you know, we we we have the capacity,
once organized, to be able to increase our utilization of

(31:50):
African's mineral resources for the benefit of African people, black
people all over the world. But all that requires creating
that financial institution, and that that's what the appeal.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
For the.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Right we got up on the break real so and
we got to check the ladies' news, trafficking weather in
our different cities, twenty four minutes away with our guests,
Doctor Cliche agreement from from appeal. My question to you
earlier I asked you about the folks at the lower
end of the socio economic spectrum, how difficult it is
to get them attracted to what you're doing. But what
about the on the upper end, Because you know, we
have some brilliant brothers and sisters in all kinds of

(32:26):
field that you're talking about, and your group is global.
You don't building a credit union. We got some smart
banking brothers and sisters out there. Everything creating, manufacturing, we
we have. But the problem is, though, doctor Gwim, they're
working for the other side, they're not working for us.
How do you can you convince them, if not on
a full time basis, on a part time basis, or
just a consultancy basis, to come and help your group?

(32:49):
What do you and under punt? What what can you
use to appeal to them to say, hey, listen, this
is what we're building for our people. Uh, we know
you've got the skills, you've got you've got to know
how you've you've got the connecttions but let's do something
for us. How do you convince those folks? And I'll
let you respond when we get back after we finished
checking the first look at the news trafficking weather in
a different cities. Family is twenty three minutes away from

(33:09):
the top of We're waking up with doctor collechi a
Gin from Appeal. What are your thoughts? You want to
join this conversation. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
a phone calls after the news that's next and Grand
Rising family. Thanks of waking up with us on this
Wednesday morning with our guest, doctor colleche Gin from Appeal.
Before we go back to the let me just remind
you come up later this morning. We'll speak with doctor JOYD.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Grew.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Many of you know her for her best selling book,
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Many folks are still caught up
in that. Also, we're going to speak with American Urban
Radio Networks White House reporter Ebany Macmaars. Ebony had the
distinction I guess what you call her with Donald Trump
called her obnoxious at a White House pref briefing, So
she's going to respond to that as well. I'll give
us an update on what's going on with the Congressional

(33:52):
Black Caucus event that starts starts to day I think
going through the weekend. Also, before we get all that,
africology professor doctor no Double explain the cultural construction of race?
What is race? People are talking about race? Well and
from africology professor doctor our Duff out of Temple University
will be here and later tomorrow actually a critical thinking

(34:12):
expert and reparations advocate, doctor David Horne will be with us.
Also media analysta Wayne Gilmant Reggie Thomas out in New
York City, and also the moves PAM Africa will check in.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure your radio
is locked in tight on ten ten WLB or if
you're in the DMV family or on FM ninety five
point nine at AM fourteen fifty w L. All right,
Doctor gwim, My question to you before we left for

(34:33):
the news update was how how do your attract some
of our well smart brothers and sisters are out there
working for these corporations making money for them. What can
you say to them to get them to come and
help YO group, especially YO group, not just yogroup, but
all black groups give something back to our community. What
do you think what would it take?

Speaker 7 (34:54):
Right, Well, I mean, you know, we have to meet
our people again where they are, even uh, the five
percent of you know, black black people in households or
black households. You know, there are millionaires and social forth.
You know, we know, you know, we we represent still
the fraction of you know folks and of other races

(35:16):
in the country. But still there is that you know that,
uh that there's five percent of black households that are
actually actually have a million or more in wealth and
and folks who are who are knowledgeable in a variety
of areas. So the program that we have on Sunday
is actually an opportunity for folks to get engaged. Now,

(35:37):
you're not going to be able to reach everybody in
a sense that some people, in order to maintain their position, right,
are not gonna you know, it's not going to come
physically close to an organization doing the type of work
that we're doing because you know, they they got to
maintain their position. We get that, right, But even those
people are can be useful for the mission in other words,

(35:59):
you know, uh, and and I'm not you know, necessarily
characterizing the TA automatically by being wealthier or or or
being positioned necessarily not conscious. I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying that the ones that are are conscious, the
ones that appreciate the work that we're doing, there's still
a role for them to play. And one of those

(36:19):
roles is actually related to what we're doing on Sunday,
which is, you know, our Founder's Day program, because oftentimes
we have businesses, organizations, individuals, you know, who may not
necessarily be quote unquote in the community, but they see
what we're doing that you know, in the and the
and they appreciate that they support it and it can

(36:40):
be sponsors for Founder's Day and that helps us to
raise the capital that we need to do the work.
But there's a role for for definitely, those who are
are a better place if you will to be part
of what we're doing. You know, you still have to
raise the conscious of everybody, right you know, the you
know where wherever we are, even even those of us

(37:02):
who have been in the movement, you know, there's a
lot we still don't know. There's a lot we're still
putting putting together as as scholars right, so that there's
never a point where you get to know everything right.
But we need to continue to raise the conscience of
our people regards to whether regards how much how much
wealth they have, how much uh education they have in

(37:22):
a particular area. But once you once you get them
to the point where they appreciate that black people must
do for self, then they appreciate organizition like appeal, and
then they can support and and you know, even if
they're necessarily come physically close. We have a lot of
folks who come to our lectures, our workshops from you know,
a whole range of you know of walks of life,

(37:44):
folks you may have heard of. They'll just pop in
because they see what we're doing. They may not necessarily
be there in person. They may not show up for
the far in person programs, but they support and you know,
the founders they program on Sunday, which is gonna be
get a Thurgo Monsters Center in person. Even though we
have we have a very very vibrant virtual component. So

(38:06):
don't feel like if you're not in the DC area
you cannot attend. There's a there's a lot of participation
and pretty much only you're gonna miss from not being
in person, and you won't get this this wonderful five
course dinner that we have that's pretty much all your miss.
Everything else is gonna be very very interactive for those
for those who are virtual, but of course being in person,

(38:27):
you know the networking you can do. You know it's
going a whole different level, but even virtually you can
do that networking as well. So the Founder's Day program
is on Sunday, September twenty eighth from four pm. We'll
be done around about eight pm from forty eight at

(38:48):
Burgo Marshal Center. And our theme this year is rooted
in strength and resilience because that's what we need. We
have some wonderful performers here. We're being headlined by Hell,
which is a wonderful uh group And if you haven't
heard of Hell, you want to come in and check

(39:08):
me these brothers and out. They are incredibly talented. They're
going to be you know, you know, they're actually an
international touring group and they'll be headlighting the program.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
We we have a Bob Bamanimani, a man some uh
not a rapper Monica he goes by or the Watermelon Man.
Goes by a lot of monicas. There's a love incredible
work in the community and it's an incredible musician, very talented.
And then we have the Lego who be performing with

(39:42):
us as well. Brother Cowboy soul singer, we'll be there
with us. We have DJ one Love, we're helping us
put everything together. We have a solid auction going on
right now already it's actually already active solo auctions already opened.
We have you know, the live art auction program. We

(40:02):
have of course dinner, we have the Virtual Asking market Place.
So much to be going on in the program, and
you really, you really get to appreciate what appeals about,
which is really the people, which is which is networking
you know, our people, which is creating resources and generating resources,
organizing resources for our people. In the program, it's like

(40:23):
you're having fun, but then you know you realize, wow,
I'm also doing something that's beneficial. You know, doing doing
the hard work isn't always better, right, Sometimes it's sweet
and and upon this day is an opportunity to have
some of that sweet that that that program is geared
towards allowing people results to where they are, you know,

(40:45):
in the spectrum to be part of what we're doing,
including those who are very much well to do. And
we're always open to sponsors as long as you support
our machine, support what we're about. You know, we're more
than happy to have you. And this is a this
is a contemporary fly African dress. Even want you you're
not coming in T shirt and UH and and and
genes for this one. Once you come out and show

(41:07):
your your your your cultural pride. UH for the program again,
which is and go to appeal ink dot org to
get tickets and get more information in general, appeal ink
dot org for the founders their program again. This is
happening this Sunday. You can get you know, you can
get tickets right now again either impersonal or virtual.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
All right, not away from the tough family, just joining us.
I guess you start to cliche at GWIM he's the
executive director of Appeal to having their Founders Day commerces
you just mentioned in Washington, d C. At the Thirdgrid
Marshall Center. And the question somebody tweet you want to
know is it going to be live streamed?

Speaker 7 (41:45):
Well, it's not gonna live stream is is is not? Ah,
it's not a good description of the live components. There
is in live components, you're not you're not just streaming
when I said, in person and virtual, this is not
something on Facebook or or or or or zoom. We
actually have a system that allows you to participate, so

(42:06):
you're not just live streaming. You'll be able to peruse,
You'll be able to visit different African uh uh uh
vendors and and and organizations. You'll be able to participate
as if you were in person, So it's not just
like a live stream where you're sitting, you know, passively watching.
When you buy a ticket for the online part, you
get to participate in the program and it's very very interactive.

(42:29):
So it definitely is something you can join online. Absolutely
allow people do that because most of our members are
not necessarily from a DC area, so that you know,
in some folks travel down. A lot of folks you know,
can't do that, and we get that, which is why
we make sure that we have this accessibility. And trust me,
it's not just live streaments. It's very very interactive. You'll

(42:50):
be able to interact with other folks who are present,
both in person and virtual. You get to you get
to participate in the auction you know, you get to
pay with everything else. Everybody else is doing this in person.
Obviously we can't feed you through your your your phone
or computer line, but a far from that, it participates fully.

(43:10):
So yes, absolutely there is a key virtual component.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Gotcha shitting away from the top. I gotta ask you
this question though about Green What if a non black
company wants to invest in your group, wants to give
in on the action, because you know that's what they do.
Once they see what's being successful, they trying to figure
ou way how they can get a piece of the
action as well. They want to donate or they want
to have their product that displayed through Appeal. Is that

(43:37):
a problem for them or can they? Will you accept?

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Well, it definitely is the problem.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Now.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
You know we're a nonprofit organization. If you want to
donate to Appeal, we'll take your money as long as
it's green. But but but we have a very clear mission.
We're a bashed about it, even the credit Union. Our
mission is very clear. You know, we are for the
empowerment of asking people. Black people know the black side

(44:07):
of the co op, which we have. You know, we
have white customers come through and buy things. You know,
they'll come in and buy those black and those products
manufactured about black people. We're not gonna say you want
to take your money because you're white. If you want
to come and spend your money with us, we will
take it. If you want to make a donation to
us and support what we're doing, we'll take it. Was
of who you are, you know, but but don't think
that we're gonna change our tactics or our focused or

(44:30):
mission because you're donating. If anybody wants to make a
free will donation to a peer, regards of who they are,
something gonna value that we see our value, We're more
than happy to accept it. Of Course, we don't depend
on on folks and outside of our community, because the
whole point is that within our community we really have
everything that we need. We just need to get our
folks to be tuned in right. So absolutely, you know,

(44:52):
as long as the money is green, you know, we're
added to the pile.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Absolutely, gotcha five away from the top Compani short break moment. Hey,
they're going to get check the traffic and weather, not
different cities. But I got to ask you this question too,
because folks who have issues, you know, need some consultation,
whether it be on a mortgage or a business or
anything like that. Do you do you have a program
to help those folks who they come to you, because
sometimes even a banking issue, since you did start in

(45:19):
a credit unit, sometimes we have questions and we don't
know who pose these questions too. And my other question too,
is there a component there for our young people. We
always always got to look out for our youngsters. That's
our future. So I'll let you explain that when we
get back. But we got to check the traffic and
weather not different cities. Family, you two can get in
on this conversation with our guest, doctor Calichi at Gwynn.

(45:39):
He's the executive directive Appeal. They're having their Founder's Day
Founder's Day event taking place on Sunday at the Thurgood
Marshall Center in Washington, DC. You want to reach us,
hit us up at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a calls after
the traffic and weather update that's next and grind Rising family,
Welcome to Wednesday hump Day. We're halfway through the work week.
For those shout out to all our teachers going into

(46:01):
the classroom this morning. Hopefully you'll get some information on
this program you can share with with with your students
when you get to get to the classroom speaking about
classroom Doctor and No Duve from Temple Universities on Deck
will get to her momentarily. But my question to doctor
Clichi Agrement. We've been speaking to him for the last hour.
But their the Appeal, that's the name of his group.
He's executive director. They're having their founders the event at

(46:22):
the Third and Marshall Center in Washington, d C. And
it's a worldwide uh event. That's because they have chapters
all over the planet. And my question to him was about,
you know, consulting you a lot of times as black folks,
we have an issue and we don't know who to
talk to, whether it be personal, social, financial, we know
who who who to reach. Do you have a group
in the Appeal lineup that that they can can help

(46:43):
folks out glim Yes, Yes.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
We have our resource network and it happens all the time.
People reach out to us either call us or you know,
email us and say I need this, I need that,
or you know, you know you need to do you
have a you know uh, maybe a financial planner or
you know, turning or whatever communic case may be. You know,

(47:11):
a state planner. You know, people find themselves in a
variety of situations that we do have that network as
a result of what we do, you know, so absolutely,
you know, people just we can reach out to us.
You know, the best way to reach out to us
email appeal ink dot org and you know we'll direct
you and you know to the right person right you know,

(47:33):
with within that network. Absolutely, we you know that that's
one benefit of doing the work that we do is
that we come across a lot of a lot of
very skilled professionals in our community that are that are
community oriented, community minded and are willing to you know,
to to support you. Obviously, I'm not saying that that
services are free. You know, they may they probably they

(47:56):
did oftentimes they have some services you know that that
they to do in that form, but obviously you will
to pay them. Obviously, we have we have professionals in
our network and revaluce to what the what the issue is.
I mean, of course, one of the things that we
have as part of the Final Day is our our
Virtual African Marketplace where we feat hit a lot of

(48:19):
these these these same organizations, uh, businesses, individuals you know,
and it's a it's a virtual marketplace. But when you
when you when you go to the online on the
online platform that's part of the program, you know, you
can actually you know, you know look at you know,
uh videos from from some of the participands the online

(48:44):
platforms and for them might be live and persons of them,
I just have their information there, so you can actually
also peruse a lot of the people that are in
the network, the business that they and services they offer
as part of the aftermarketplace. That's part of the Founder's
Day program that we're doing. But absolutely we do have
that network. You know, send an email to info at

(49:05):
appeal ink dot organ of course to you know, get
tickets for the Finer Day program. Go to appeal ink
organ As you go to appeal ink that organ you'll
see the banner right there to get tickets for the
Founder's Day program. But yeah, that network is critical. It's
critical to make sure that the services that people need
are available to them. They can always go to you

(49:26):
always find a person of African extent to do what
you need done, you know, for you and your family.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Right and I got to hook you up with brother
Saint Klaus Kinner. He's got I Love Black People campaign
and here's what he does. He has it's sort of
like the Green Book back in the days in the
fifties and sixties where if you're anywhere and it's global
as well, if you're in Portugal, all you're in Australia,
you're and you're looking for a black friend or a
black person to help you if you've got an issue,
a dentist, attorney or something that you can call them up.

(49:55):
So you guys need to really hook up. But having
said that that.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
Question, I'm very the brother brothers and player okay cool?
Uh Skinner and and the uh and you know, and
on our website as well, even the appealing that org
you have, we have a page on there by Black
is just simply buy black. We're go buy black, and
we have a list of of businesses and organizations deployment

(50:19):
with where you are, you know, for a variety of services.
That's something that is right on our website is going
to appeal in't that org. Click on by Black and
you'll see you know, those resources as well. But I'm
definitely you know, uh familiar with him and his work
with the cryptocurrency and a bunch of other other activities
that he does. Especially is Bob, Yes, definitely familiar with him.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Right. He has a conference taking place in Howard University
of Cryptocurrency this weekend as well. But let me ask
you this thought, Kelly Gwyn Food, You're gonna have some
food to the Founderstay event.

Speaker 7 (50:52):
Oh man, the food food Brother food is incredible. And
then we we are we're having a very very high
end event, and we want to make sure that you know,
we're not just killing the spirit with laughster right and enjoy.
We're also filling the stomach with good food. So we

(51:13):
have a five course dinner. It's not a buffet. You're
not gonna be spending in line, but no, we're not
doing that. We have servants. You're sitting down at a table,
dressed in your in your African contemporary fly dress, you know,
enjoying wonderful program and you know our service will take

(51:33):
care of you.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
We have you.

Speaker 7 (51:34):
Know, we have appetizers, main cores, desserts, all that stuff.
So we have a lot of food, you know, so
as you're enjoying the program, you're also filling your belly
at the same time. Of course, those who are virtual,
you know, won't be able to eat. I mean, I
don't feel bad about that. But you haven't thing about
technology to get the food through the the the Wi

(51:54):
fi yet. But if you're in person, absolutely you will
be said you'd be well fed with with with of
course you know, uh healthy and and and then not
chasing your way with healthy. It's good good food. But
of course you know we're about the mind, body and spirit,
so to be healthy food, good food and really well

(52:16):
curated by by the Summers and Committee of the t O.
You know, we have a great caterer that will be
serving us on that day. So absolutely maybe.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Wealth joliff rice is going to be is on the menu.
We're going to get some jolifries off right, Yes, definitely
right a family, if you haven't haven't chased jelli ries,
you got to do. This is is a big debate
on the continent of which which country makes the best
jollif rice. And there's a little difference between.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
The really debate, I mean, and it's just whether like
whether we know it's Nigeria has the best, right.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
But I figured you forger you know, yeah, But but
it's a friendly debate and they have these they have
all of these competitions on the content bat Oliver. So
if you haven't haven't have that family, that's the reason
to go to the event. So Doctor Graham one more time.
Folks can get the tickets and more information about the
event on Sunday. What do they do?

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Absolutely absolutely, it's a one the one stop shops Appeal Inc.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Dot org.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
That's a p p e A l I n c
dot org. And you go to appeal ink dot org.
You see the banner right there for a Founder's Day,
your Founder's Day tickets. You click on that and you
get your tickets as simple as that. And you know,
we can also find us on social media all social

(53:37):
media where where Appeal Inc. The sos A p p
e A l I n c. You know, whether it's
Instagram or Facebook or whatever x you know where where
where on all these platforms as Appeal Inc. You can
get more information about the founders this as well. But
the one stop shop you know for everything Appeal including

(53:58):
Founder's Day including you want to just some port appeals
by making the donation and we do have people that
make them that have a they make donations every month.
They had to schedule it like that, you know, automatic donations.
You know, folks support us in a variety of different ways,
even if you want to be if you want to
be a sponsor the Foinal's day is not too late,
or if you want to be part of anything that

(54:20):
we're doing. When we join the organization and be part
of any any aspect of it. They want to support
any of the platforms that you have, and we have
quite a few platforms. We believe that we have a
place for all black people to do work. And if
we don't have a place, let us know. We'll create
a place for you.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Right.

Speaker 7 (54:35):
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Speaker 1 (54:42):
All right, thank you, doctor Grant, and congratulations on the
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Speaker 7 (54:48):
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Speaker 1 (54:49):
All right, family tan away after toming doctor no Dove.
Now Grand Rising, doctor Dove, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 9 (54:57):
Thank you, Grand Rising on most thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Now we're most honored to have you, doctor no Dove.
Doctor R. Dove is an afrocology professor. She teaches at
Temple University. Doctor Dove, we want to talk about race.
You're going to explain to us the cultural construction of race.
If someone asked you, you know, define race, how would
you define race?

Speaker 9 (55:22):
I would define it as a cultural belief system that
is not grounded in any evidence. It's genetically thought of
that we are all these different based on our color,
melanin content of elfskin, that we are these races, and

(55:50):
the idea of races. It's just a white supremacist idea
where people are put into a hierarchy of humanity based
on the melanin content of the skin, and white supremacist
belief that we are all trained to believe every day

(56:13):
of our lives is that the white at the top,
the whitest people at the top, are the most superior.
Next comes the yellow people from Asia, the red people,
alphast Nations people, the brown people say, uh, you know,

(56:40):
Arabian people and Malaysian people and so on, and then
the black people and the black is at the bottom
of this hierarchy and considered to be the most inferior
form of human that there is. In fact, sometime in
the history of this falsehood, the darkest skinned people have

(57:04):
been considered to be animals. And the reason that we
have this belief, this false belief is that the people
who conquered the world are the ones who've constructed it
so that conquest is seen to be necessary and justified.

(57:28):
So hundreds of millions of dark skinned people have been
murdered and genocide has been committed against them. So I
would I would.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Well, I mean Johnny here for a second, doctor Dove.
At thirteen minutes out of the time, they have family,
call up a couple of friends and telling them doctor R.
Duve from Temple Universities on the radio. They'll appreciate it.
You know, we go around life and don't understand how
race is, how it was constructed. Doctor Dove is going
to break it down for us, the cultural construct ever
race you mentioned, Doctor, he gave us the color spectrum

(58:04):
moments ago, and us as black folks are on the bottom.
Was there ever a time where it was inverted where
black people were on top and those considered white were
at the bottom.

Speaker 9 (58:16):
There never was a time like that, but historically there
was a time. Well, you know, Africa is the birthplace
of humanity, the mother of humanity, and that's where everyone
comes from. It's the lands of the first humans. Culture, speech, languages, civilizations, sciences, symbols,

(58:44):
writing songs, music, dancing institutions, spiritual belief, and democratic ideals.
So everyone in the world has Black African and so
all people are ninety nine point nine percent the same.

(59:13):
The mitochondrial DNA shows us that we're all related to
one African mother. So over time and even in Africa itself,
phenotypes change. Phenotype are humans who are who have present

(59:36):
in different colors, in different hair textures, different eye colors,
and are so they're just different facets of the classical
African first people. So we're all no matter whether we're

(59:59):
light or we're all different versions of the one human.
So genetically we are really different versions of the original
black African. That is the chronological that is the history

(01:00:20):
scientific truth. But over time, when we came out of Africa,
we had the first culture, which was African matriarchy, not
matriarchy like patriarchy where the woman controls the man or

(01:00:41):
the man controls the woman in patriarchy, but we were
African matriarchal, which means that the woman and man are
respected and that they are the mothers and fathers of
humane and that's how it began. And because of that relationship,

(01:01:06):
the balance and reciprocity and seeking harmony. Because of that relationship,
then the society it self of family, the society politic
augucation reflected those values. So that's where you get the

(01:01:30):
first idea of among arts, and where you get the
ideas of democracy and working with each other and a
balance society, which we have it so much evidence of.
The first people to leave Africa and populate the world

(01:01:55):
are the people that we can often consider indigenous or
right and hold.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Up through Right there, Dr Dov, we'll pick it up
after this short break seventeen minutes off the top of
our family. It's going to be a fascinating discussion with
doctor and our Duff. She's an africology professor at Temple
University in Philly. You got a question about race? You
ever wanted about race? How it all started? Reach out
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six. Well ticket phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

(01:02:22):
thanks for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning.
It's a day the middle of the week, folks who
go to work. That means the rest of the week
is downhill all the way from here. But this morning
we're got to have in our studios, are having our
studios online with us Doctor and I Dove. She's an
Africology professor at Temple University and explaining about race, the
cultural construction of race. If you ever wondered why race,

(01:02:44):
why black folks are always at the under the bottom.
She's gonna lay it out for us this morning. And
I mentioned if you've got a couple of friends out
there who still wonder, why have a situation, situation set
up that we're always set up to fail? All this
is to be the losers. She's going to explain it
to us. And her name is doctor now Dov and
against she teaches africanagi at Temple Universities. And doctor Dov,
I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
I can't quite remember.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Well, yeah, you will tell us about the first African,
the Africans that left the continent.

Speaker 9 (01:03:13):
Yeah. So we're Homo sapiens modern humans, and we've been
in existence for about three hundred and fifty thousand years ago,
and we began to leave Africa fifty to seventy thousand
years ago and populate the world as first nations people

(01:03:37):
and our diaspora, and over time thousands of years, phenotypes
have changed. So because we believe in race, when we
look at each other, we think that we're sort of
a different species. That this color tells you what we

(01:03:57):
think who we are. And that's very important to understand
that this is a pseudo scientific belief in our differences.
But what is really different about us is our cultural orientation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Can can you go deep on that? The cultural authiticians
is that that's the only difference between us. So you're
saying that we're all one, We're all there's only one race.
I keep hearing that there's the human race. Is that
a true statement? Kevin ever lost? Doctor Dove there if
you can get her back for us? Wow, this is

(01:04:39):
going to be a fascinating discussion with doctor Dove from
Temple University. She's an africology professor. Uh, and this is
what they talk about. This is what she teach her students,
and this is what you know some of we talk
about it by ourselves privately. And especially let me shout
out our barbershops right now, because at this I know
this is probably something they're going to discuss and family,
you don't know it's a barbershop. We have a group

(01:05:00):
of barber shops who listened to us, especially when we're
doing the afternoon they just played live. Now they listen
in the morning and then they go to the barber
shops and some of the beauty salons too, and they
continue the discussions there. Shout out to the East Creation
in Jackson, Mississippi, to Max Barber Shop that's on Georgia
Abney in Washington, DC. Also Clippers Barber Shopping married in Connecticut.
That's where Pressed and the Fellas are there. Ricky's Barber

(01:05:20):
Shop in Shaker Heights, to Ellis Barber shopp in Philly,
and the Barber Shopping Durham, North Carolina. Shout out to
all folks who run those establishments, and thank you for
keeping listening to us. Even though we moved from afternoon
to mornings. Doctor Dove is back with us. So, Doctor Dove,
does this mean that I keep hearing the phrase that
there's only one race, the human race? Is that what
you're trying to share with us this morning?

Speaker 9 (01:05:40):
I'm trying to say that? And so our differences are constructed,
and so we are all genetically African people, all of us,
no matter how we look, but we are all. We
are different based on the culture that we practice and

(01:06:03):
believe in old aught.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Right there, Let me digest for a second. You said
every single person on this planet is genetically an African.
Every single person Eskimos, Asians.

Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
All all the Chinese have done all the work to
substantiate this truth. They're scientists have done that. But other
scientists in different parts of the world know this is
the truth based on our DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
So what you're saying, man, you're not necessarily have to
be black or Negro, whatever you want to say, to
be African. White folks are Africans too.

Speaker 9 (01:06:45):
Everybody's African. But the thing is that the belief in
race makes us think that we're genetically different. But what
is different the major differences among us is cultural because
the beliefs and values and behaviors and thoughts are cultural,

(01:07:09):
and so how we view the world, how we live
in the world is a cultural thing. So if you
go to some of the First Nations people like the
First Nations people in Australia, New Zealand, in the Americas,
you'll find that they practiced African values and belief and

(01:07:35):
across the world it was like that. So the conquerors
who were who in the main were patriarchal, did not
had believed in hierarchy, and domination and colonization and so
on were all part of creating these distinct But that's

(01:08:01):
a cultural orientation, and I need to explain the differences
because essentially there are two cultural orientations. One is from
this southern cradle Africa, which is always seeking the balance
between the woman and the man, and there's so much
evidence of that. We can look to ancient Egypt, which

(01:08:23):
is chemic, and see all the evidence of that and
understand that it's written these are the people. They're black
African people who first that gave us literature and so on.
But thousands of years after people left Africa, we can

(01:08:44):
find that maybe about three to four thousand years ago,
there was evidence of patriarchy, which is the domination of
the man over the woman, and the first hierarchy. And
this culture orientation led to hierarchical notions of superiority and inferiority,

(01:09:08):
none of which were true from the African perspective. And
this this was the root of racism, for the root
of race. And we can see the evidence of that
when we go to India and we look at the
Brahman religion, which is about is about three thousand years old.

(01:09:40):
There was this sort of from the Eurasian steps. There
were Indo Aryans who began conquering people. Now this kind
of belief is based in patriarchy, and they went to
India that was black and they uh so there there

(01:10:03):
was a huge there were huge buildings and dwellings of
the status of chemic in India. Now in Pakistan they
were called the Indus Valley people and they were they

(01:10:25):
created the Haropan civilization and they were literate there. They
were African matriarchal there, they had governing structures in place
and they are Their language is in the hands of

(01:10:46):
linguistics experts, their writing of their language and still they
cannot translate this or understand it, but it's there. But
it shows you know that they were illiterate people. And
the people that conquered them, the Indo Aryans or the

(01:11:08):
euro Indo Europeans. They created this hierarchy where you have
the white Brahmin at the top, and then you have
the red and yellow and at the bottom you have
the original people they conquered the people. You have the

(01:11:30):
original people, the black people they're called the Sudra. And
then these races were not allowed to intermix. If they did,
then you get the untouchables who were considered outside of
the religion but still unhuman. And they were the people

(01:11:56):
that were considered we're not considered humans. So that as
the first kind of evidence that we have of this
type of thinking. And so it's a religious belief. So

(01:12:17):
other beliefs are quite similar, where the black person is
the slave or the person who will be enslaved forever
and so on. So it's all a similar cultural orientation
about people's morality or their looks. So this is this

(01:12:41):
can be you know, this is evidence that we have
around that time of these people and justifying the debasement
and demonization of the African woman and the African man.

(01:13:01):
And in the creation stories of some of the modern religions,
the woman is the first one who is considered to
be less than the man because of her moral standing.
But she's an African woman because they're using you know,
they know who the origin of people are, and so

(01:13:26):
the African man and the African woman. You get the
woman by creating patriarchy, and get the woman and man
by creating race. So this is these are our religious
ideas and Obviously, people see the germs, the jewels of

(01:13:49):
truth inside these religions, and the jewels of truth came
from the ancients, and there's evidence of that as well.
The jewels of truth are to do with my art
and justice and truth and the reciprocity and harmony and

(01:14:12):
those types of beliefs and behavior. So when people are
reading these texts, they're seeing these germs of truth the
good people. But then there are other people reading this
text and it justifies enslavement, cruelty, patriarchy, dedomination of women,

(01:14:32):
the domination of dark skinned people, in taking the lands
of people based on these falsehoods. So the justification in
these religions is the morality of the black person, the

(01:14:52):
immorality of the woman, and their punishment of being black
and being enslaved.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
So hold thought right there. Dr Dr R Dove at
twenty seven away at the top of down family just
checking named doctor R. Duve from Temple University. She's in
Africology professor. Their works with the doctor Malefia Sante. You've
heard him here before. It's one of our power talkers
and she's given us a classroom. We report on the
cultural construction of racer you want to how race started.

(01:15:25):
But I got to ask you this though, Dr Dove,
the creation story, how did that start? And how does that?
How does that give for what you're teaching us this morning?
Who was How do you see the creation story? You
know you mentioned how religion, the role of religion played
in dividing us as people. But explain to us what
are your thoughts on the creation story? Which is the

(01:15:45):
Big Bang theory or is what they teach us in religion?

Speaker 9 (01:15:49):
Well, the religions are failing. New people who has been
on the planet for three hundred and fifty thousand years
And as I said, they left got fifty to seventy
thousand years ago and populated the world and brought with
them the first African culture and the changes to do

(01:16:14):
with the culture, to do with the difficulties of surviving
and forgetting the ancestors. But you know, people have the
existence of people who were civilized before. The idea of
the creation stories that are in these texts, you know,

(01:16:39):
it's not true, it's not grounded in truth. How could
women be inferior to men? How could the black woman
be inferior? How could black people be inferior? When the
chronology and evidence shows us that the first people who
brought civilization to the world were Africans. But there's been

(01:17:04):
the so they're false, completely false. They don't make any sense.
They're not true, but we use them and believe them
even though they're illogical because we don't have a history
of humanity and what actually happens. So there's a whole
area of thousands of years where we're that we don't

(01:17:31):
know about because it's purposely not taught. Because the idea
is that we were all uncivilized barbarians until the Europeans
appeared on the earth and did all this conquering or
the indoor area. And I should say, and at that

(01:17:53):
point when patriarchy comes in to being in these different places,
because the co has always make sure that your culture
is not remembered, so they have to destroy the culture
of the people they've conquered, and then made the people
think that what they say is the truth. And they

(01:18:15):
always make it seem like people were primitive and barbarians
before they came. So the actual academy, the universities and
schools and nurseries and everything, they're all coming from a
position that civilization. It's subtle it's philosophical all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
The thelong right and hold that though way, Doctor Dovin,
We've got to step aside for a few moments and
get caught up on the latest news for our different stations.
So it's twenty three minutes away from the time they
have family fascinating discussion that Doves. She's an africology professor
at Temple University. You want to join this conversation, reach
out to us at eight hundred and four or five
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the news that's next and ground rising manyfaks. You rolling

(01:19:00):
with us on this Wednesday morning at sixteen minutes away
from the top of the hour, I guess is from
Temple University. She's an afrocology professor. Her name is doctor
now Dove, and she's breaking down the cultural construction of race.
You've tried to figure why some people think they're on
top and some people are placed on the bottom. You
get in this information this morning before we go back
to her. They'll let me just remind you. Coming up
later this morning, we speak with doctor Jordi Grew. Many

(01:19:21):
of you know her from her book Post Traumatic Slave syndrome,
and before we hear from Dr Degrew though American Urban
Radio Network's White House reporter Ebanie macmurris, who will join us,
and we responded Donald Trump describing her as obnoxious and
also give us an update on the convention that's taking
place with the Black Caucus in DC in the next
few days. And for coming up tomorrow, we're gonna speak

(01:19:44):
with a critical thinking expert and also Reparations Africate doctor
David Horn. Also we got a joined by a media analyst,
the Wayne Gilmot Regietins. They're going to talk about the
jim My Chilly issue and also the Move's Pam Africa
will be here as well. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep your radio locked in real tight
on ten ten w LB right for in the DMV family,
we're rolling on FM ninety five point nine and AM

(01:20:06):
fourteen fifty w L Doctor Dove, We've got some folks
got questions for you. Let's start with a line to
brother Carlis is calling for Waldorf in Maryland. Brother Collins,
your question for doctor Dove.

Speaker 10 (01:20:17):
Yep, Grand Rising, Grand Rising to their steamer professor. Uh yeah, yeah, Professor.
Just a brief comment. I think the europe the reflection
of the European mindset is displayed in one Donald Trump.
It is, it is, it is there live and in

(01:20:37):
person for us to see. My question. Yes, my question
goes to this doctor Dove. Michael Bradley said in his
book The Iceman Inheritance that that the European comes out
of the ice and in that ice he developed a
cold blooded nature. And when you have a person of

(01:21:03):
that nature who tries to survive out of that ice environment,
there is a different type of personality and mindset that
has been developed when he comes out to try to
conquer the world. Now, can you expound on that and
give us your interpretation again, how can we deal with

(01:21:28):
that iceman's mentality of the European today? And I'll take
the answer off air unless you have a question.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:21:39):
Yes, no, excellent book. The thing is that it's cultural
rather than genetic, so we're not genetically different. We are
still Africans who experience the ice age from the different

(01:22:02):
locations that people went and survived. And it can be said,
and it is said that out of that experience came
the debasement of the woman in the construction of race.

(01:22:23):
So it is the difference between the African matriarchy, which
is what we left Africa with, and this patriarchal domination,
which it is hated. It is aggressive, violent, murderous, genocidal,

(01:22:45):
and is grounded in hatred. Part of that is to
do not only with the climate, but also with the
forgetting of the ancient values. So it's ensconced in the
culture that believes in race, and it is a violent culture.

(01:23:11):
And in order for race to exist as a real thing,
it's never been real because it's not genetically real, but
it's culturally real. And we've all been put into these
hierarchies of color, and that is has been aggressively followed

(01:23:35):
that cultural belief and millions of African people, millions of
people have died. Hundreds of millions of people have died
as a result of this cultural orientation. And what happens
is that in order to preserve the culture, all institutions

(01:24:00):
are reflecting the culture of domination and race, and so
the culture maintains it so that in the institution, so
that when we go to hospital, we've got more of

(01:24:20):
a chance of dying. When we go to education, what
we're taught is what is supposed to be culturally oriented
to suit the positioning of white supremacy to maintain that construction.
So because it is a cultural orientation, it's possible, particularly

(01:24:48):
during in zones of conference which is becoming together of
these cultures, that changes can be made. We want you know,
so as we live our voices through all the deaths,
to all the fighting for human rights have put different

(01:25:13):
aspects into these institutions. For instance, being able to have
a black radio show, or go into a university and
have African studies or opacological studies, things like that have
all come through the cultural orientation of people who are

(01:25:34):
challenging that belief system. So what we're saying is that
if we can link culturally, because it's not rigid, culture
is fluid, If we can link culturally to our African

(01:25:55):
values and beliefs and behaviors that have built huge societies
and huge civilizations, that if we can link ourselves to that,
we have more chance of being able to remove ourselves
from the current culture orientation. When people are conquered, the

(01:26:19):
conquerors always make sure that we don't know who we are.
The religions say, you can't remember your ancestors because it's
ancestor worship and it's primitive and crazy, but the ancestors

(01:26:39):
are the people that must be respected because they came
before us and they taught us who we were. That's
how we know. So part of conquest is to make
sure that we don't believe or we lose touch with
and forget who we actually are.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Ask the client, we sure got some more folks want
to talk to you, doctor Dove. Johnson Marland has a
question for where is online three at eight minutes away
from the top. They are John your question for doctor Dove.

Speaker 8 (01:27:10):
Yes, grand rising brother Quacy into the doctor. I want
to basically make a comment according to scientific fact, it
has been proven, it has been proven scientifically over culture
that the blue black African in Africa does not suffer

(01:27:32):
from melanoma. If white people belong under the sun, why
they can't lay on the beach under the sun was
out the threat of melanoma cancer. That proves there is
some genetic scientific difference.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
That's for.

Speaker 8 (01:27:49):
That's number one. Number two is that scientists have proven
and they have they have what you call ethnic weapons,
meaning that if there's a crowded subway that they can
spread chemical gas in that subway and everything black will

(01:28:10):
die and everything white will walk out. That proves the
scientific difference in the genetics. And I like for you
to speak to both of those.

Speaker 9 (01:28:22):
Yeah, the melanoma is purely to do with the amount
of melanin in one's skin. You know, you have Africans
who come from black families who are white, but they
still have the phenotypical phenotypical looks of Africans, but they're white,

(01:28:49):
very very white, because they don't have enough melanin in
their skin to protect them against the sun. And that
came out as being over to thousands of years in
being in cold climates where it's you can't survive so
easily with the darkest skin. Over time, it's easier, you know,

(01:29:12):
to have less melanine in so that one can absorb
the sun's rays as much as possible. So you know,
it's the it's is just what everybody has melanin, even
the people who don't necessarily have much skin melanine, because

(01:29:37):
it's a part of the brain spine, you know, our
vital organs. So we couldn't exist without it, you know,
because it's the light energy in our bodies that help
us live. So there aren't any humans that have no
melanin in their skin, and you have to be you know,

(01:29:58):
that's that's just part of not having it. There are
black people who have white children and white children, white
parents who have black children, So there's lots of mixing
and changes that that go on. And the ethnic culture,
first of all, ethnic means it's a way of showing

(01:30:23):
that people have no God. That's what it means. It's
part of the race paradigm. It maintains racial differences. I'm
going to true culture to understand the continuing effort to
kill black people in as many ways as possible. That

(01:30:46):
is the continuous thing by certain you know, by those
scientists and those readers who have the power to enforce
these things. And you know, there's so much else in
that area, you know, diseases that are purposely put into
Africa and black people and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
So on this and hold u though right there, Dr Dove,
we got to take another break here. We got to
check the traffic and weather in our different cities. Are
three minutes away from the top of the I have
a question for you. When we get back, family, you
two can join us our discussion, fascinating discussion with doctor
now Dove, she's breaking down the culture construction of race
figured what was race is all about? You're hearing it
this morning. You got a question eight hundred and four

(01:31:27):
or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we take
a phone calls at the traffic and weather update that's
next and Grand Rising family in fact for rolling with
us on this Wednesday morning. It's a hun day. We're
halfway through the work with our guests that Dr now Dove,
she teaches us an africology professor at Temple University in Philadelphia,
Doctor dev My question for you on the onset you
said that we're all the same race. We're all it

(01:31:49):
doesn't matter what on the color spectrum we are. Now
when you look at the black color spectrum, though, is
this is where we got it from? Where? Because we
go from crystal black to almost or just about white,
and the crystal the brothers and sisters who were closer
to the crystal black brothers and sisters, the Wesley snipes
and snow knock on Brother Wesley. Because I understand and

(01:32:10):
those of you should understand how it works to hear
me at Dr Dove, do we adopt that that spectrum
that hierarchy from from what they did on the international level.
I'm not to understand my question.

Speaker 9 (01:32:27):
No, I didn't not, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Because what you said earlier about that they the culturally
were divided by culture, not by skin color. But it
seems like culture the whites of the conquerors, they made
themselves at the top and the blacks at the bottom.
So my question is that spectrum that that that that level,
those level of different levels, were they adopted by us
in this country as well?

Speaker 11 (01:32:49):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:32:49):
Yes, first part of colonization and conquest that you must
use culture to impose that on the minds of the people.
Because culture is linked to the mind. We create culture.
Everything we see is the manifestation of what's in our minds.

(01:33:12):
So mind is absolutely critical to culture, as culture is
to our minds. So we've all been trained to believe
in white supremacy. That's what we've been trained to believe.
But we have different ways of going about how to
undermine it. But many people believe that believe in it,

(01:33:35):
which requires complete brutality, complete demonization, complete hatred, complete aggression
to create such a structure because it isn't true. You know,

(01:33:57):
you have to too through the or cultural belief impose
these ideas on people's minds. So we can be a
black person who's not using African cultural orientation but is
using European cultural orientation. A black person doesn't matter how

(01:34:20):
black or how like black, who can believe in the
inferiority of women, particularly black women, because that is the
racialized idea that we hate ourselves, you know, and do
things that show our hatred. So we can often hate

(01:34:41):
black people as much as any other people can hate
black people because we don't know that this is a
belief system that has been imposed. And you know, the
way to understand how to get out of it is
to understand who we actually are and what our culturally

(01:35:03):
actually is. And there are still people who have the
residue of this culture and still believe in goodness and
equality and so on and so forth, because they still
have that cultural memory. In fact, we're all linked to

(01:35:24):
a cultural memory, which is the unconscious, which is actually.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
Now I'm right there, Who've just gone. We could go
on with this conversation for days. We've got another guest
stepping up, But doctor, do how can folks reach you?
How can they follow you? They one more information breaking
down the culture Construction of Race? How can they follow you,
doctor dob.

Speaker 9 (01:35:46):
Well, there's The Being Human Being Human Being by doctor Malefic,
Katia Santi and myself. We've tried to put a lot
of things in the about the construction of race. And
then The Afrocentric School is a book for Black children essentially,

(01:36:12):
but any child can read it because every child should
really know the history of Africa because that's where we're
all from, and so it kind of centers on some
of these things that we need to know about who
we are. Anyway, those are the two books. I don't

(01:36:33):
have any special place for followings or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
I don't Okay, well, I'll tell you what. We'll pick
up the conversation next time, because I always learn a
lot when you're with us a Doctor Devan, I just
want to thank you for your thoughts this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:36:46):
Well, thank you and a wonderful audience. I'm absolutely privileged
to be here and totally honors thank you for inviting
me and let me share.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
This with you. Whenever you're on I always gave reports
people they're just fascinated because you know, ben of us
can't get get into temple or have these discussions with
you or doctor Malafia Sante. So they really appreciate the
information that you share with us on the radio. So
I want to just thank.

Speaker 7 (01:37:12):
You again, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
So alrighty family, as doctor no Duvelet's let's turn our
attention to American urban Radios Networks. White House reporter used
to be with us here at Radio one. Ebanie mcmaars,
Grand Rising, Ebony, Welcome to the.

Speaker 12 (01:37:26):
Program, grayful Rising. Thank you so much for having me on, Carl.
It is really a pleasure and honor to be on
with you and speaking with your audience. You go ten
toes down for the community. Try to do the same
thing at the White House. So it's a pleasure.

Speaker 13 (01:37:42):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
You're right and you do that all the time. And
tell us about that you've stepped up and just like
any reporter trying to ask a question and Donald Trump
called you, did you tell the shut up or silent?
And then called your abdoctious to explain the sequence what
happened there?

Speaker 9 (01:38:00):
So let me just.

Speaker 12 (01:38:01):
Tell you how the room looks. And for people who
don't know, I was a part of the press pool
that is not open to press. It's about eleven or
more outlets that on that day are scheduled to follow
the President around and cover his events. On that day,
it was the Oval Office event where he was signing
consecutive I'm sorry, where he was signing executive orders. And

(01:38:23):
we walked into the room and I see this big
gold card there, the Ludnick standing beside him, the President
in the chair, and a bust of Lincoln right in
front of us. And while I'm looking at that bust,
I'm also thinking about the fact that they just had
re hung a painting a Robert E. Lee, right, who

(01:38:47):
so many thousands, hundred thousand were killed under his command
as he tried to uphold slavery. But they put a
picture of Lincoln in front of us, and the bust
of Martin Luther King is not there anymore. So as
he's talking and reporters are yelling out questions which we
always do, to my left and right, he's calling on everybody.
He looked at me, but he didn't call on me,

(01:39:09):
and I kept persisting, and I think that day I
was just really irritated because also we were dealing with
the haineous death of Charlie Kirkwood, also wrestling with the
words that he put out that caused death in many
communities that were horrible on many communities, and so I
just wanted to know what was happening in Memphis. That
was one of my questions. So I said, mister President,

(01:39:30):
I kept yelling. Finally I just had to keep on
talking over top of him, and he looked at me
as Mini saw and he said, you're really obnoxious, and
I said, no, I'm not. It's a president. What are
you doing in Memphis? He called me anoxious again, I said, no,
I'm not. The people want to know, because what I'm
not going to do is allow you to rage bait
and keep going back and forth to me and try

(01:39:51):
to get me in my feelings, because it wasn't about
me in that moment. It was about a community that
you are going to try to militarize like you did
in DC. And then he told me to be quiet.
And it took me a second, but I came back
and kept going along with my questions and said he
wasn't going to call on me until I stopped talking.
This is the president who constantly brapes reporters and doubles

(01:40:13):
down on the black women in that White House. We've
seen it over and over again from your Mishau Sendor
April Ryan, who we saw, I mean attack after attacked
and I was fired. I was really irritated and tired
on that day, but I still had a job to
do and that I didn't even think about it the
way everybody is thinking about it. All I know is

(01:40:34):
you are not going to do that today. But I'm
not going to go back and forth with you. I'm
going to stay on track and ask you what is
happening in Memphis. My other questions what about Trey Reid.
It was found hanging from a tree on the campus
of Deltas State University in Mississippi. The other questions I
had was about the Department of Justice. Why are you
now taking down reports that point to right wing supremacy

(01:40:57):
groups that have caused more damage and caused more harm
in this country? They took that down. There are the
questions that I had, but we got stuck on what's
happening in Memphis. And the reason why is because he
cannot answer the question what is the plan.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
That doesn't right? Ten after the top, they have family
Evan and mars is with us. As I mentioned, she's
the White House reporter for American Urban Radio. Networks. Her
job is to ask the questions about our community. That's
she's asking questions about us. The other reporters do the
same thing, and I've been there, I've done that, Ronald Reagan.
They give some of the reporters give you the side
eye because they got their questions too, because they have

(01:41:36):
to go back to their companies and their news directors
can say, did you ask the question? And when we
have just one person in there to represent all of us,
you know, she just told you the questions that she
wanted a response from Donald Trump. Those are the questions.
But let me ask you this, though, Ebany, do you
think it was because of the Charlie Kirk incident. He
didn't want to deal with that because he probably thought

(01:41:57):
you go in that direction.

Speaker 12 (01:42:01):
We never had the Charlie Kirk situation, he still wouldn't
have done it. I want people to know they're literally
only American of a radio networks is one of uh
one of only a handful of black owned and operated
stations that's in that White House covering the president's daily
only a handful. And we have seen day after day
the room is full of maga. I mean full, it's

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so ful I've never seen the.

Speaker 8 (01:42:23):
Room this full.

Speaker 12 (01:42:24):
It goes all the way back past the shairs. That's
the wom we have not seen. And so they have
the right to call on whoever they have the whoever
they want to call them. But we also have the
right to keep asking and to keep pressing. Our people
have never gotten anywhere unless we pressed and kept in.
So when he called me obnoxious, I'll say this, it
wasn't just about me in in that moment, And obnoxious

(01:42:47):
means unpleasant. But I've said this before. We have to
become uh we are dearly in unpleasant times. And if
that means that we have to get loud and be unpleasant,
then so be it, because we have always had to
be that way. Ida by Wells had to get unpleagnant,
get unpleasant as black bodies were swinging from cheese from
being lynched, and she still had to tell their story.

(01:43:08):
That was unpleasant. It was an unpleasant moment when Mittil's
mother had to had to open up that casket, but
it was an unpleasant moment in America, and so she
had to do the unpleasant thing. That is the only
way we get the attention of this country. Charlie Kirk,
he would.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Have done it right, Ebony. Are you concerned though, that
they may exclude you from further, you know, being part
of that White House pool and you know what they
did to ap. APV refused to say that the the
Gulf of Mexico is the Gulf of America and they've
been excluded. I don't know. Maybe you can give us
an update whether they're back at the White House a
part of the White House pool. But because of that reason,

(01:43:49):
first they're there, AP is back.

Speaker 12 (01:43:52):
Let me just say that he did exclude them, and
what he also did was so they're in the in
the briefing room, but he then excludes them from certain things.
So for instance, on some of his trips out of
town trips, he has excluded associated press. He targeted media.
He said that he is he basically is in his
Nixon era where he has an enemy's list and he

(01:44:13):
is loud and proud about it. Voices of America is
no longer there. Their entire boots in the White House
Press Office is absolutely gone, totally disbanded. So he does that,
but we have to press for and we cannot be afraid. Look,
we knew what was going to happen when President Trump
before President Trump got in office, because he said it.
He said it. I don't know who did or didn't

(01:44:36):
look at Project twenty twenty five, but it's been a book.
This is a president who does not hold back his tongue.
His administration says what they're going to do. Now, they
also lie at the same time, right, But he goes
after people. He gives you the list of who he's
coming after next. But we cannot we can not stop
in what our efforts are. I don't agree with everybody

(01:44:56):
in there, but just like Jimmy Fallon said last night,
you may not agree with what I say, but he
thanked those people who still came out and support it.
His right to speak, right, the freedom of the press.
It is covered. There is freedom, and you do not
have the authority. You do not have the right the century. Now,

(01:45:17):
what you can do, Yes, you can keep me out
of the White House if you want, but that does
not silence my voice. It doesn't silence our voice. And
people need to understand. People may kick you out of
places and spaces, but they do your voice is not
there to own. So if it does happen, then I
would just be on the other side of the gate,
talking out. That's what we've always had to do when

(01:45:39):
we were in the White House. Alice Alison done again.
She is the first African American woman to cover the
White House and have White House credentials. She didn't get
called over for years, but she stayed in the room
and she kept pressing forward. Our job is to be
the voice of the unheard and those in the community.
So people have asked me, are you scared? Are you afraid?

(01:46:00):
I don't. I can't even digest that daily because it
will slow you down. I am very well aware of
the risk of what it means to speak up in
places like that. All of us are in that room,
and sometimes that's what stops people from saying something, sometimes
because I'm in a black owned and operated station. But
you had to understand, I don't own the station. The
ABC reporter that he totally berated and basically told me

(01:46:23):
he was nothing. He doesn't own ABC, so he works
for that station, but I but I work for a company.
That's why it's so important to support black voices and
black media, because it is our collective power that allows
us to penetrate these spaces. When we look for our news.
That's why your show is so important, Carl, because you're
covering things so you're not going to see on mainstream

(01:46:45):
media that are important in our in our community.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Yeah, when I'm asking the show at sixteen after Tavey
our family, just checking in, Ebonym marshes whe Let's she's
the White House reporter for an urban radio networks. She's
at the White House and those you may have missed
it that she had a dust up, if you will
with Donald Trump called her abnoxius because she was asking
a question and he told her to shut up or
be silent. But Ebanie, are you concerned that the MAGA group,

(01:47:15):
because you know Donald trumpballs it is a wink and
a nod and they're on the move. Are you concerned
that they did they make it come after you in
some way, shape or form, or come after the network.

Speaker 14 (01:47:25):
So let me tell you this.

Speaker 12 (01:47:27):
As soon as I saw I didn't even look at
a lot of the comments to spend in my calls.
Someone posted something and they literally took a picture from
someplace on my site and said here she is Magi theater.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
That's that is that is a hole left thought right there, Eboney,
We got to step aside for a few moments. Let
digest that family. A question for Eban and mcmarsh room. Yeah,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we're taking calls
after the short break. That's next and Grand Rising family,
thanks are staying with us this Wednesday morning. I guess

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is an American Urban Radio Networks White House a reporter
a u r N. Her name is ebene Met Morrison.
She used to toil here with us at Radio one.
Now she's working for them. And what's basically we're all
on the same team because we're working together, Ebony, and
we're trying to get information from the White House. What
about issues that concern our community? And that's your job.
As you mentioned, I had a little dust up with
with Donald Trump and he called you up noxious and

(01:48:23):
told basically they sit down. Do you see this as
an indication of his feelings towards black women or black reporters.

Speaker 12 (01:48:31):
Absolutely, We've seen it's time and time and time and
time again and venom that that he goes after black
women with it is not new. It's a continuation. It's
not going to stop. I think in the accent. And
what will our answer be for that, and that is
to not stop as well. That means that we have
to be so obnoxious, then that's.

Speaker 13 (01:48:51):
What we will have to do.

Speaker 12 (01:48:52):
Like I said before, we have all always had to
proceed and persist the negative words spoken about us through
the devil he's done against us. But we go hard
in the paint and that's exactly what I will continue
to do there because really the stories in the community. Fine,
you don't have to tell me what you're gonna do,

(01:49:13):
and this is We're gonna show people what you're doing.
I'm in DC, born and raised Native Washingtonians. I'm seeing
the effect right. So you put a semplary band aid
by calling in the National Guard. We believe that a
National Guard in DC. My biggest concern wasn't the National
Guard even though you put them on a beautification project,
it's costing a million dollars a day. My issue is

(01:49:35):
how you wanted to recognize the police where we have
already had always had.

Speaker 15 (01:49:40):
Issues with the police.

Speaker 12 (01:49:42):
Yes, I absolutely want to see climb everywhere across this
US go down, But first of all, dcs as we
all know, and it's almost like I'm sitting back that
we all know DC is not the murder capital of
the world. If he tried to insist, no, he did
not eradicate crime in this area, and he put force.
He said in his executive orders that he was going

(01:50:04):
to do something on the issue of homelessness. He did
not what he did he was He went after encampments.
He tried to make the courts people into shelters that
they are already over out. So where is the plan
as the president?

Speaker 13 (01:50:16):
Where is the plan?

Speaker 12 (01:50:17):
What is going to happen when this big, beautiful bill
is really What do you want to do when hospitals
cannot handle the loans? What are you going to do
when even more people are hungry? What do you want
to do?

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Yeah, those are the questions that some of the other
reporters aren't asking. Do you find nou ebony that some
of these reporters are almost in lockstep. They're almost just
the organs of the administration. You know, they don't seem
to They just repeat what what the administration says. They
don't they don't they don't have probing questions there seem
to be afraid. Except for Jimmy Kimmel spoke out last night,

(01:50:52):
but other than that, for the most part, they've they've
they've just backed off Donald Trump and asking and the
administration asking certain questions. Do you see that.

Speaker 7 (01:51:01):
I do?

Speaker 12 (01:51:02):
But let me also say this, this doesn't just start
with this administration. Now, the consequences you are a little different.
We haven't seen kicked out the way that they have.
But when I was serving in this position under the
Bright administration, there were a lot of questions. I felt like,
why are they not asking this? Why are the same
people being called on over and over and over again? Right,

(01:51:23):
So I'm gonna I'm in the community outside of this,
I'm working in the community, I'm volunteering, I'm come the community,
And so you need more people like like that in
that room, pressing forward. But we know how that goes.
You're not going to see it. That's why it is
important the course black press that is in that room
to look to see the stories that we are covering

(01:51:44):
and keep in our mouths on on on a daily basis,
because if not, you're gonna say, well, why isn't the
media doing this?

Speaker 13 (01:51:51):
Why is me?

Speaker 12 (01:51:52):
Well my question is where do you listen? How many
black outlets, how many black reporters? Do you follow What
stories are they covering you know about? Are you listening
to the show, Are you listening to Aaron? Are you
listening from I guess from Roland Martin to the Nineteenth
Amendment to I mean, there's so many outlets, So I
want people to dig deeper and not and not be

(01:52:16):
distracted by what you are hearing come out of the
president's mouth. But but I need you to see what's
happening in your community. One thing that Jimmy Kimmo said
that I last night, and I'll say this prob boies ago.
He said, you made your voice heard so that mine

(01:52:38):
could be heard, even though they did not agree with me.
He was saying the reason why he was able to
do that is because the people broke out. Six people
foke out. But it happened in six days, Paul, what
could happen in six days?

Speaker 15 (01:52:55):
What could we do in six days?

Speaker 12 (01:52:58):
That's what I'm saying. It's only happened because the people
spoke out, and guess what they get their pockets over
over three billion dollars.

Speaker 9 (01:53:07):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
Task.

Speaker 12 (01:53:08):
So we have to take that power we think that
corporations have over us to understand that we have consumer power.
So now if you cancel your subscription, my question is
for that twenty dollars subscription, what're you gonna do with
that twenty dollars?

Speaker 16 (01:53:21):
Now?

Speaker 12 (01:53:21):
Are you going to go and support a blackout there
or you gonna go back? And then we mean your
membership with Hulu and Disney? What'd you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
All right? As sir, talking question now, hopefully folks are listening.
But Ebany got a tweeted question I wanted to answer
before you leave us and tweet Lisa says, Ebony Maga
and Charlie Kirk use the same playbook. They call you
out on their massive social media and the trolls come
after you. Do you have any contingency plans?

Speaker 12 (01:53:48):
What we're doing here and this is what we were
doing before. There are several and I say this, this
is the time to work in the dark. So I'm
not going to tell you everything, but they're all are yes.
So the question is yes. And there are some reporters
that have been huggling and been working on something that
will help give us protection in this moment. I also

(01:54:10):
had law firms reaching out to me. I've had a
lot of people saying, what do we do in this moment.
We've we've seen this over and over again and it's
not about It is not about me. But I think
we have just come through the height of being sick
and tired as Fanny Waymisai, being sick and tired and
sick and tired, and so yet there is a community

(01:54:31):
that has not just been built around me but to
protect journalists. And when we are able to kind of
release some of those things, we absolutely will. But I
will tell you some people are big concerned. This is
a conversation I've had to have with my family, so
we've talked about it, but at the end of the day,
my voice is not here.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
The silence.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
Good for you, Evan, before we let you go, How
can folks follow you? Because a few of the ones
got all the news coming out of the White House
focused on our community, So how can folks follow you?

Speaker 12 (01:55:04):
I am on social media at Ebane mac Morris, but
you can also go to au RN dot com to
follow my stories if you're in the DC area. You
hear me on Wednesdays as well on if you are
and that's why I clearly hammered down on what's happening.
But thank you so much.

Speaker 17 (01:55:20):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Oh, thank you, and thank you for what you do, Ebane.
And of course we are backing whatever you do. You know,
we've got people who support you here. We love you
and love the work that you do as well.

Speaker 12 (01:55:33):
Absolutely, thank you, all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Right, family, that's Ebany mcmarsay. American Umber Radio Networks and
White House reporters usually rebuked, if you will, by Donald
Trump just by just for asking a question she called.
He called her obnoxious and told us the silence, and
Ebane says she's not going to be silenced anyway. Twenty
eight alf the top Day Out DC activist Ron Moten
has joined us right now, Ron grind Rising, Welcome to

(01:55:56):
the program.

Speaker 6 (01:55:57):
Good morning, brother, thank you, yes sir.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
Yes we can hear you wrong. I'm still learning. I'm
still learning, brother, me too.

Speaker 6 (01:56:06):
They say, when you stop learning, you walking dead.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Okay, to tell that fart, but give us some information
about Unifest that's coming up. Give us because the background
for the folks who are not in d C don't
know what Unifest is. How did it do all start?

Speaker 6 (01:56:23):
Well, it started from Huning Temple Baptist Church as a
community event that was about you know, bringing unity in
our community. And that everybody knows about Union Temple and
that historic landmark mirror that they have in there with
the Last Supper a black leader, and it was something

(01:56:45):
that was great. And we had a tragic event that
happened where someone was on PCP nineteen years ago I
believe it was nineteen years ago and drove a car
to a crowd and then instead of making this say
for they got rid of the Uni Fest. And you know,
I was talking to Reverend Wilson, we were talking about

(01:57:06):
it was like, it's time to bring it back because
we need unity in our community. We need to preserve
our culture, our history and tell our stories and get
the spirituality back in the community. So what better time
to bring it back than the week of the third
year anniversary of the Media Man March, when we're going
to be bringing people from Baltimore, DC, Annapolis and we

(01:57:27):
all coming together to walk across the Eleventh Street Bridge
also known as Freedom's Crossing, to reenact when the slaves,
former slaves who actually walked across that bridge and for
freedom who later will walk across that bridge every night
with lanterns to go and build burry farms and to
later take the money from the Freeman's Bureau that was
left from building Berry Farm and stop building Howard University.

(01:57:50):
So we're celebrating that in the spirit of the Million
Man March and the spirit of the Unifest, of bringing
our tire community together and make sure that we understand
that we have to take care of us and we
can't expect nobody else to do that. We're not willing
to do with ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
Family just checking me in thirty minutes out of time
they run. Moten Iron is a DC activisties. It also
promoted of Go Go. It keeps Go Go alive in
the district. If those of you who know about anything
to do with Go Go, youve got a question, you go.
This is the person you need to speak to. Ron
Moten Ron is Go Go going to be involved in
both of these events that are taking place, the celebration
of the melan Man March and also Unifest.

Speaker 6 (01:58:28):
We have the Experienced band and EU I'm sorry, EU
is sugar Bean. EU is performing. There's some other actors,
some gospel acts and then all the businesses in Anacostia
will also be activated. The Unifest will take place on
the block of Union Temple on U Street and then

(01:58:49):
there will the businesses will activate after four o'clock when
all the concerts and stuff are over on that block
and outside in certain places in out of the DC.
So it's not gonna be as big as it was,
but it's gonna be pretty nice and big, and we're
gonna gradually bring it back. And also we're also, I'm
meant to tell you, doing a fundraiser for the Go

(01:59:11):
Go Museum, a juke joint fundraiser on October the fourth,
because we have to, you know, fund what we're doing.
We operate on for fumes and volunteers, and it shouldn't
be that way for something that represents our city. And
you know what's crazy about bout it, bro You know,
you come for a fundraiser and the first thing some

(01:59:31):
black folks say is well, what you need money for?
And I'm like, man, we are some of our own
worst enemy because because we've been brainwasheders think that, you know,
we're supposed to do things and out the minds like
you're supposed to come in every day and you don't
pay the people who come and work. You know, we
do free tours for children. We teach them about the

(01:59:52):
history and culture this city. That people are trying to
erase and you in most museums and they raise money.
So when we have to raise money and take care
of our own where there's money from us, so good
people who understand what we're trying to do. So we're
doing all these things and teaching people the importans of
us taking care of each other and self. And it's
very important that we do this because, like I said,

(02:00:14):
if we don't do it, we can't expect nobody else
to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Right twenty eight Away from the top that Ron Moting
and Ron Ron, especially with the fact that they're closing
down or curtailing that some of the information in some
of these museums that are owned or run by the government,
I think it's important that we have a museum it's
controlled by us and that's the Go Go Museum, right.

Speaker 6 (02:00:34):
And the thing about it, like we just brought people
from Brazil and we've shown our commonalities and how we
use music as a former resistance. We had people come
from Columbia, we having people coming from Morocco, and we're
connecting by Aspa and with our brothers and sisters and
using music as a thing of joy. Like we just
did the event downtown and we had the Cumbia Artists

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performing with a Go Go band where we're recording a
live record, and it was just so crazy that that
event actually brought all eight wars Allowed city together, Black, White, Asian, Latino,
everybody there in unity.

Speaker 7 (02:01:11):
And that's what music does, man, That's what it does.

Speaker 6 (02:01:14):
So we're using using music and culture to teach and
bring our community together at a time where we're so
device no matter what side you on, like, music brings
us together for conversations where we can listen to each
other and start doing things to love each other.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
I share to that. Twenty six away from the top.
They person saying they're anonymous and calling from Silver Spring
and Maryland has a question for online too, mister or
missus anonymous here onmic Ron Moten.

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
Hey mo, what's going on man? How you today?

Speaker 6 (02:01:45):
I'm great?

Speaker 4 (02:01:47):
Hey, So I got you a couple quick questions. I've
seen earlier today that you were you were soliciting soliciting
funds for the the Go Go Museum. What uh how
much money do you actually need to keep this thing
afloid up? I was aware that you you know, you
received millions of dollars to get this thing off the ground.
Why do you need money so quick?

Speaker 6 (02:02:05):
So that's a good question because most people, first of all,
don't understand what we did at the museum. We had
a study done by Gallagher, which is a company that
builds museums all over the world, and they say it
was going to cost eight million dollars to do what
we've done with less than three million dollars. So that's
why we need the fund raise, because the money went
to building a state of the art museum and which

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has hologram Ai exhibits, touch screen exhibits that only the
Jewish Holocaust Museum had. So we brought something to Anacostius
that nobody's do can ever happen. And it's said that
when people come from around the world, they amaze what
we were able to do. But people who don't understand
about building institutions, they never understand what it takes to

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run it or build it. And that's sad to say,
because I paid myself, for instance, eighteen hundred dollars eighteen
hundred dollars out of almost three million dollars, and I
checked away money because I wanted to make sure every
single gibbet in there was state of the art, and
I don't know too many people who willing to do that.
And in fact, the work that I've done with don't

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muw DC and everything else not getting paid a damn
dave for it. Right, That's why all these artists are
eating right now. That's why a lot of grants went
to black people, because the work that we were doing
and the sacrifice of putting our stuff out front. So
to me, it is very hurtful when your own people
always come and say why when you were giving crumbs

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when people know what it really People who come from
museums around the country come in and wow, they're like amaze.
But sadly, our people a lot of times don't know
what it takes to run a museum. To take out
the trash, the Pepco builds fourteen hundred dollars. It went
from eight hundred to fourteen hundred doars every month to
archives stuff. We have a store space away from the

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museum where we archiving history. Like go study what it
takes the archive history.

Speaker 3 (02:03:54):
It costs.

Speaker 6 (02:03:55):
You have to have it somewhere at a certain temperature
to store it. We have to keep our bus up.
We had to have insurance, We had to pay tour guides.
We teach young people how to be it. We teach
them how to be tours. You know, we're teaching people
about their history. So it costs the soundman cost Last
night we had a free event. Like the majority of
our events, it calls to have security, it calls to

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have somebody come and turn on the screens in the
sound That's why you need money for operations. Operations, and
what we do is a people. We often wear our
leaders down and we don't take care of other people.
Put their leaders up on the on the throne and
say if you're taking care of us, were taking care
of you, and we got to stop that. That's why
we need the money. And five hundred thousand is a

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dropping the bucket for what we're doing. If you go
study with any museum similar to us gets you will
see that that's a drop in the bucket.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
Yeah, old I thought there. Ron, We got to step
aside for a few months. We'll come back. We'll talk
about the Municum and also unifest and celebrations coming up
next month actually with a million man mar celebration as well. Family,
you two can get in on our ca conversation with
Ron Moten from Washington, DC. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
or twenty three minutes away from the top of it.
We'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

(02:05:10):
thanks are staying with us on this Wednesday morning. It's
a hump day in America, a hump day all over
the world. It means we're halfway through the work week.
Our guest is Ron Molton A rotten is an activist
in Washington, DC, and he's giving us an update on
the unifest and the Milli and Man March of celebrations
are going to take place next month before we go
back to in and let's remind you. Later this morning,
we speak with doctor Jordy Grew and she's many of
you know from her book Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Many

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folks are suffering still suffer from that. Also, tomorrow we're
going to hear from critical thinking expert and reparations advocate
doctor David Horn. He's going to be here and also
media analyst Wayne Gilman Reggie Thomas. They're going to talk
about the Jimmy Kimmel issue and also the most PAM
Africa is going to join us as well. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you're radio's lot in

(02:05:54):
tight On ten ten WLB, and also if you're in
the DMV ROUN, FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen d wl RON. Are you getting any assistance from
the city council and putting on this event the next month?

Speaker 6 (02:06:08):
No, we're actually doing the event and some of the
unifest are you est, Yes, yes, So the unifest we
raised the money from the community ourselves. Reverend Willie Wilson
has been raising money to put it on. The city
has cooperate like with the show with bills and things
like that that we need for some of the performances.

(02:06:28):
But as far as you know, raising money to do it, no,
we're not getting the support from the city for this,
not this time anyway, time going together the last minute.

Speaker 3 (02:06:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
Have you tried to reach out to some of the
council members, especially in southeast and those except Rewards seven
and eight. Are they on board?

Speaker 6 (02:06:46):
Well, I know Reverend Wilson has uh Treyon White and
some of the other council members speaking, but flars like
support financially, it's not that easy to do it that
Flans not these days anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
Yeah, check that seventeen away from the top. Daw Thomas
is checking in from Baltimore's online too, Grand Rising, Thomas, Romi, Ron.

Speaker 7 (02:07:09):
Brad Raseen, Brother cal and good on in to your guests.
I just want to do a little pushback on what
your guests were saying about. We don't support our leaders.
We do support our leaders.

Speaker 6 (02:07:18):
Man.

Speaker 7 (02:07:19):
When our leaders get in office, they seem to forget
about us. Case of part now said, you just said
that you raised the money from the community.

Speaker 11 (02:07:29):
How is that the community not supporting you, guys?

Speaker 6 (02:07:33):
Hold on, first of all, to me, leaders are not
the people in office. I think our leaders. I'm talking
about leaders in the community. Brother, I'm not talking about
elected officials. And what I've said is that people always
attack people when they ask for support, especially people who
have been in the community doing things for them. And
my record is impeccable for what I've done for my

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community time and time again, never acting for anything. And
I don't know too many people who would take years
of their life to build something and not be compensated
and compensate to people around them. I bring people that
I get to do things for a little bit of
nothing that most people would never can never do. So
for me to ask for support, I think it's it's said,

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like I said once again, but we always do to
leaders who care about the people, we'll be quick to
try to throw something on them instead of supporting them
and come up. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:08:28):
Yeah, and Ron, let me ask you this though. Obviously
there's a concern here with us people. We just we
just don't trust each other.

Speaker 9 (02:08:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
This is a deeper than what you're saying on that level.
Can you can you address that? Why why we so
suspicious of us as people? Why can't we come with love?
Even put it frame the.

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
Questions then, Drome because we're taught to always be suspicious
of everybody when it comes to us, but everybody else
we trust in love. And like I said, you have
very few people like I know so many people that
I know that have money and they be like, mom,
I'm not going nowhere around the negroes because every time

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I go and try to help them, right, I get
pulled down. So you got people who won't even do
this stuff that I'm doing because they just sick of it.
They sick of it. They go put themself on the line.
And every time you put yourself on the line, it's
your own people who step out there and got something
to say. Not the white people you know, not them
those ones you expect, But it be your own people

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a lot of times that come for you. And it's
sad like We've created an institution in Anacostia. I've been
here since twenty fifteen when nobody wanted to be here.
Create miracles, turn this space into a community up when
there were no businesses here surviving, you know what I'm saying,
Starting with a game that was downtown and gallery place

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and turn to a social enterprise like miracles, And then
you always have people that are question you right instead
of supporting you. And I'm not this because we got
enough support and we got enough people who understand. But
those gonna be the people that I be health in
a lot of times, be the very people that you
help that come with that. And like you said, the

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lack of trust with each other, and we don't trust
each other, were in trouble, you know what I'm saying.
Special people who prove that they care and love you.
Those the people that we turn down.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
Yeah, fourteen, away from the topic and let me just
say to those folks who like attacking black people, just
pick a doctor Fox's book Addicted to White Feel Oppressed
in League with the Oppressor, a shame based alliances. In
that book, it says there are five core white values
and one of the ones is attacking each other. When
ever hear a black person attacking another black person, especially publicly.
We can disagree, family, don't get me wrong. We can't disagree,

(02:10:43):
and we should and we can talk it out when
it gets personal and stuff like that. They don't understand
how the system of racist and white supremacy works. That's
how it is. We're having us fighting each other and
taking our eyes off the oppressor. So those of you
and when doctor Fox is on the radar, please listen
because we've still got some people who need some help
in that area.

Speaker 17 (02:11:01):
Run.

Speaker 6 (02:11:02):
But let's talk about I want to say this too,
Like when young people come in this museum, we had
to put them out because all the exhibits are interactive,
exhibits are caused like hundreds of thousands of dollars. They're
not cheap, all right, And most museums and young people
doing it's a bunch of writing and stuff, and they
discourage they they want to go, we have to put

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five year old children out of our museums. That's what
we've built over. We have performance spaces for artists. We
have things that we have seen. I got I got
thirty nine seniors coming here at ten o'clock this morning.
Then behind them, I got another thirty people coming from
around the world to come and learn about our music
and culture. Right before, I have people from Bounceyak Music

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performing in front of them downtown on Thursday. Those are
the type of things we're doing right, and that call
is not free. When we do stuff with artists from
Columbia and Brazil, connecting the cultures and our commonalogies and
shit in the spirit of our ancestors, it's not easy.
It costs, so it's almost criminals for your own people

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to come. And I know it's just a few people,
but they're allowed it, you know what I'm saying. Most
people get it, but they don't understand that it casts
the other people. While we sitting around talking about crumb
five hundred thousand dollars because his crumbs compared to what
other museums get, right, they all here raising hundreds of
millions of dollars for their establishments and sometimes putting out

(02:12:28):
false narratives. When we got a timeline in here going
back to sixteen oh eight talking about the Nazaxtine Anacostia
Indians that were here all the way up to Go
Go becoming DC's official music, talking about the Duke Ellington
and all the great things that happen with Marion Barry
and all the great things that happen without our music
and culture. When when our music was criminalized, when it

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was taking out the schools and the trades was taking
out the schools in nineteen ninety six, which basically started
the attack on the black middle class in Washington, DC.
And then they start doing it all over the country
when they took music and traded out of schools. It's
now foreign to a lot of our children. We teach
that in here. Some esem can't tease that no more
so why wouldn't you support it?

Speaker 18 (02:13:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
And hold up though right there, Ryn, got a bunch
of folks want to talk to you. Right now, let's
start a tent away from the top that we brother
say cou calling from Baltimore's online two grand rising brother
say coop your armed ron.

Speaker 11 (02:13:22):
Moten jumboom Brother mort We understand when I say we
am talking about those of us who have done some research.
We understand that in capitalistic socidon chase money to fight captains.
We need to finance our own struggle. Keep doing what

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you're doing and letting they say it and they say,
and just ignore them to move on.

Speaker 1 (02:13:50):
All right, all right, Let's take some more calls. Yolanda's
online three at calling from cap Heights, Grand Rising, ORLANDI
you armed Ron moten Cilanda there? All right, all right,
let's move on to line four. Then Raymonds are Raymond's
are upon Capitol Hill. Raymond, you're on with Ron Moton.

(02:14:13):
Your question for Ron, I want.

Speaker 19 (02:14:16):
To command them. I've been inside that museum. I understand truly.
The financial responsibility, like he said, from the lights, through
the storage everything it should not be. Everybody has to volunteer.

(02:14:36):
It is sad that he can't fit somebody on salary.
Black people, African Americans. We are the number one consumers
in the country and we're name brand loyal We boyd
name brands, clothing, calls and everything. But when it comes

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to contributing to black owned businesses, museums, whatever, black old nonprofits,
we get stingy with our money and critical with our voices.
We are truly a lot of us are addicted to white.

(02:15:20):
Who that book and everything he talks about in that book.
African Americans. I'm talking to so many of them, who's
my coworkers are addicted to white. Anything about black advancements
always got to be a question of suspicion or I
will know. But any other race can get our black

(02:15:43):
dollars with no discrimination at all. I commend that brother
opening up that museum and upgrading each of the river
where nobody really wants to fit a business. But he
was old enough, strong enough to do it. And I

(02:16:04):
just hope and ploy that he get the contributions, especially
from African Americans who just museum is for and about
and benefit.

Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
Thank you all right, thanks Raymond, Ronnie. I want to
respond to what the Raymond said.

Speaker 6 (02:16:23):
Now, I want to say I appreciate them coming out,
and there are a lot of people like him who
come in. So far, we raised seventy thousand dollars for
the museum, so we got a number four hundred and
thirty thousand to go. And like I said, this is operations,
but we're we're working on doing some big stuff. We're
doing a big award show for the fifty years of

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Go Go, which we're doing to show at the Lincoln
Theater on February I mean sorry, January to six, because
we want some positive to dominate the headlines on that
day and not what everybody else is going to be
talking about. So we're going to celebrate the fifty years
of Go Go as America starts to serve right to
two hundred and fifty years of AMRTH. So we're doing
a lot of big things a lot most most award

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shows cost five hundred thousand dollars on the level that
we're doing it all well, whilest we pull it in
for und one hundred thousand and do it on a
grand scale. I can't talk about all the treatment that
we got for the people, but this is what we do.
We take crumbs and give our people things that most
people spend like a million dollars on, and that's what
it's all about. Man Like, we do things for our

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people from the heart, but that shouldn't come at the
expense of the people who are doing it. We got
to stop that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:36):
Five away from the top of Jean's joining us from
Pikesville and Maryland. He's online five grand rising GENIR question
for Ron.

Speaker 17 (02:17:44):
My question for Ron is well, I just want to
just make a brief seeing Ron, thank you very much
for what you're doing. But when you're what you're saying
is I'm a former account executive, I'm a sales right,
and so I generate income right, and so the only
way that a business really can survive if they have
strong salespeople who can sell the product right, and that's

(02:18:07):
what you do. My only suggestion to you is that
you get other people like yourself, are sales minded and
can go and get that get that money from people.
You know, the donations that you're talking about, but operations,
as we know, is to sign a business that spends money.

Speaker 8 (02:18:24):
Period.

Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
You know.

Speaker 17 (02:18:25):
I have no more to say except that say two
is on point, and my only suggestion to piggyback on
him is just to say that this is how capital
little works. You need strong sales and you are a
strong sales concern.

Speaker 6 (02:18:38):
Thank you, sir, And we are. We do have some
people supporting us. We even have a PR firm that's
doing work pro bone though for us once again, and
I then that's helping us get out to the networks
and get out to people with money. So we are
you know, we do have care, people help and it's
just not me. But we need more, you know what
I'm saying. And we're going to get there. We are

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going to get there. Most people don't think we were
going to get this far. We had a lot of
nay says that thought this wasn't going to happen and
talked about it, you know. So you know, I tell
people all the time, haters and people who don't get it.
The horse newer to make our grass grow, you need them.
They helped the grass grow. You just don't give it sunlight,

(02:19:21):
to much sunlight because of the burner grass then and
the burn of maneuver. So that's how we operate.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
I got to hear that now far away from the
top of that. We've got to take a break coming up, Assumer.
But Assandra and Baltimore, you're wrong with Ron Moten.

Speaker 15 (02:19:38):
Hello, good morning, grass rising call to everyone else out there.
I like you said to the brother, I feel his
fashion and I also feel his pain. And you know,
it's a shame that we have to almost beg our
people to contribute to something that is worth the indecent

(02:19:58):
of having in the community. And I hope to God
that the people come together and help you share because
you you sound.

Speaker 6 (02:20:05):
So caring, yes, ma'am and almost I'm sure.

Speaker 14 (02:20:15):
We need people like you.

Speaker 15 (02:20:17):
So I like to say, keep on doing what you're doing,
forget the nay said, forget the haters.

Speaker 14 (02:20:22):
And also, man, make a suggestion, sir, when you have
another opening.

Speaker 15 (02:20:26):
Or showing, make sure you order some books that cause
you to the top of the cars. You talk about
addicted to white people, and maybe you can hand them
out there because it sounds like a lot of people
that's what they are. That's why they don't want to help.
And I thank God for people like the son. Keep
on doing what you're doing. Okay, bless your love about it?

Speaker 3 (02:20:48):
All right?

Speaker 1 (02:20:48):
Thanks Andre, and hold on Ron, I'll let you respond
to what Sandra said in a moment, we gotta step
aside in three minutes away from the top day our family.
I guess it's. Ron Moteny is an activists in Washington,
d C. Discussing the Go Go music as well as
the Unifest and Meli in Man March Anniversary event that's
taking place next month. You want to join the conversation.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

(02:21:08):
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls
next and gun rise in family and thanks you rolling
with this this Wednesday morning momentary. We're going to speak
with doctor Jordy Cruse. She's a clinical a clinical psychologist
and best known for a book Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome.
Right now we're on with Ron Moten. I'm brother. Ron
is helping create this Unifest and Million Man March conference

(02:21:31):
that we're having next month, and also he's in charge
of the Go Go Museum in Washington, d C. So, Ron,
if you got push back about for the events for
the million Man March and for the unifested celebration, like
you're getting it.

Speaker 6 (02:21:43):
No, No, the community is embracing it and we get
we're just trying to get the word out. Like I
wanted to give a shout out to my brothers and
the Baltimore because we're coming up there for a UNI
breakfast that we have in that you all are having
in Baltimore, and then later that day on Thursday, many
of you are coming down on the train like you

(02:22:04):
did during a Millionaire Box for the walk that we
have in the Washington, DC going across the Eleventh Street
bridge that our ancestors walked in through freedom, but hopefully
over five thousand people. That's our goal. We had five
hundred for Juneteenth, and we want to have five thousand
for the celebration of the thirty anniversary of the million
man mark. So we're not getting pushed back and we

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don't care what people say or think anyway. So it's
about us coming together, the people who look like us
and friends who don't look like us, who are about
uplifting humanity.

Speaker 13 (02:22:33):
And justice fall.

Speaker 1 (02:22:36):
Do you think we need another million man march?

Speaker 6 (02:22:39):
I think what we need to do is get people
together and stop teaching us to support and love each other.
We have to love each other. We have the biggest
economic dollar in the world. If we use it amongst
each other, and we just took one tenth of the
money that we have and put it amongst each other,
we would be much better off to start loving each

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other dealing with the social ills and problems in our
community that we can't control. And I mean, I think
marches are good, but I think what we're doing tomorrow
and people doing all over the country celebrating the Million
Man Marsters. Just as good we have to organize in
our hometowns and then collectively come together throughout the country

(02:23:21):
and support ourselves and people who love us who don't
look like us. It's about good people supporting good people,
in my eyes, and that's what we're trying to start here, right.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
And also the Go Go Museum is that gonna be
pulled in and you're gonna have go go at the
at these events.

Speaker 6 (02:23:38):
Absolutely, we're gonna have go go here. We will have
go go outside the Union Temple.

Speaker 19 (02:23:43):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:23:43):
Some of the other venues are gonna have DJs and
Caribbean music and different things of that nature, gospel music.
So it's gonna be a great day Ana Consia. In fact,
the night that we have in the walks celebart the
Million Man Mars, we're gonna have a light of power
activate Anacostia. And then the thurday there's gonna be another

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day with the unifest And we encouraged everybody to come
because you got to think about it. In DC, most
of the black festivals have been eliminated. The Caribbean Festival
was eliminated Adams Morgan Day, not Adams Morgan Day, but
the festival. Adams Morgan was pretty much eliminated. That was
for our Latino brothers and sisters. Like all the great

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things that we had, the Union infestment was eliminated, all
the things that gave us something to be proud of
it and taught us about our ancestors, our history, our
coaches have been eliminated. So it's up to us to
bring those things back and support them.

Speaker 7 (02:24:39):
We have to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
That's right for after top there. Casey's checking in from Forestville, Maryland,
has a question for you online too, Grand Rising Casey,
you're on with Ron Moten.

Speaker 8 (02:24:50):
Yes, brother, the Jews got one hundred billion dollars for
reparations they got, they get four billion annually. They got
two hundred million for the museum, the Holocaust Museum, and
they get twenty one million annually for operation expenses. I

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would say to everybody to support this march, to support
what this brother is doing, and give your money. I'm
from the old Union Temple. I've been a member since
the seventies, so I'm not the new member. I'm the
old and still kicking now. When you ask the questions why, brother,

(02:25:37):
you have to understand when you have corrupt leadership. When
you have Michael Brown council member caught in taking bribes,
Harry Thomas taking money from the Baseball League, then you
have now Treyon White who took bribes and caught on camera.

(02:25:57):
This is where the why comes from. The still asking
where the money from the million man mars, even though
the minister's ministers came and gave a accurate account of
the money and expenses for the million man march. So
we're going to have the why and and we are

(02:26:17):
part to blame, but like minded. When you caught the
white council member uh uh in the same corruption, it
wasn't blown up. We know white folks stealing money, but
the microscope.

Speaker 5 (02:26:35):
Is on us.

Speaker 8 (02:26:36):
So we cannot play that game and fall for the bait,
the money bait, the woman bait, the drugs like our
love and Marion Barry fell for that trap in that hotel.
So once these things happened, that why is going to
be created. But brother, we appreciate you, keep working you,

(02:26:59):
brother Malik mar Khan and all the brothers who fighting
for our people. I just want to leave it out.

Speaker 16 (02:27:06):
There, thank you, brother, appreciate you all right, Ron, before
we let you go, give us the details now the
event for the unifest and the Midlerman March celebrations.

Speaker 1 (02:27:16):
And also where if folks want to help you with
the Go Go Museum, how can they do that as well.

Speaker 6 (02:27:21):
Yes, you can go to Union Temple's website and they
have all the events and all the information about what's
going on. And there are other people doing things like
Raheem Jenkins and others like we have a whole community
doing things. But you can go on Union Temples website
and you can go on the Go Go Museum cafe
dot com website to make a donation and learn more
about the museum and all the things that we have

(02:27:42):
going on.

Speaker 1 (02:27:44):
All right, Thanks Ron, and thanks you keeping up the
good work man. Thanks you because you've been fighting for
us as a people in Washington, d C. For quite
some time. So I just want to thank you for that.
And don't let the nafas get you down.

Speaker 6 (02:27:56):
Oh no, they're my motivation, brother, They're my motivation. Trust with.

Speaker 1 (02:28:02):
Great thanks Ron. All right, family, it's eight minutes after
the top day, and I would turn our attention to
our next guest, who happens to be clinical psychologist doctor
Joy deg gru Grand Rising doctor Joy, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 14 (02:28:14):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:28:16):
How are you all well? Personally? We're still learning. That's
why we have you here this morning, because, you know,
doctor Joy, our community is sort of in flux, because
our heads are spinning what was going on coming out
of Washington, d C. Folks don't know what to do.
Some people say, we we we build this country, so
we've got to stay here. We've got to fight whatever,

(02:28:37):
we're going to stand up. Some people say, give them
their country back, that's what that's what they want, and
said people cut and run. Some people, as you know,
we would have Ghana in all places. So we called
you this morning. How do we deal because we're all
suffering from Trump fatigue?

Speaker 3 (02:28:50):
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (02:28:50):
Doctor Joy?

Speaker 14 (02:28:53):
Well, you know, I think pretty much all of the above.
I think you have to trust in God, but tie
your camel. And what I mean by that is, yes,
there's much to fight for here. Absolutely, we've built this country,
so you know, I totally appreciate that we've put in

(02:29:15):
so much. And I think that first of all, you know,
I do have a master's degree in clinical psychology. My
PhD is actually in social work. So I just want
to make that make that clear. I you know, I'm
trained on both ends about it, but I wanted to
specifically and can you hear me clearly? I put my
head droones on.

Speaker 1 (02:29:35):
Sure, Yeah, we can hear a loud on pay perfect.

Speaker 19 (02:29:38):
Perfect.

Speaker 14 (02:29:38):
So there's a couple of things that I would I
would speak to, and one is our general well being.
Those of us that are that are older are experiencing
this resurgence of a faults upon us. This this what
I called a pathological fear of annihilation that white people

(02:30:04):
are experiencing, or have for generations, their fear which has
always led to the oppression of everybody else. This is
a new resurgence. It's not new because it's always been
going on. It's just really upfront and in your face,
and now with new technologies, it is even more profoundly

(02:30:27):
in our faces. Those of us that are older are
experiencing something different than those that are you know, gen Z,
we are experiencing something very different from children and youth
because we have seen this before, and we have seen
it and we have watched our families, our community, our

(02:30:52):
leaders work till they die. Some of them were killed
in the process of trying to establish a minimal level
of what is fair and just. So we've watched all
of this sacrifice that has happened over generations. We've watched it,
and we're watching it re emerge and desecrating what we've

(02:31:16):
built as I was listening to some of the things
that we've lost culturally in the midst of this extremely
materialistic driven, morally bankrupt kind of state that this country
is in. So we have that, we have the older
folks that are trying to not be triggered, not to

(02:31:39):
be daunted by the resurgence of this, but at the
same time recognizing things that are being repealed, things policies
that are made, are being made. While we are concentrating
on the idiocy and foolishness that's going on, we're watching
policies change that are going to impact not just us,

(02:32:01):
but our children and their children. Right, So there's a
process that we have to take a look at and understand.
So this is happening. So those of the folks that
are my age or older are really needing to lean
into this very differently than we have.

Speaker 19 (02:32:16):
In the past.

Speaker 14 (02:32:16):
I'll talk about that in a second. Then we have
another generation that has not felt the sting of the
kinds of policies that have assaulted us on the level
of those of us that are older, they have seen
Trayvon and they've seen George Floyd, and they've recognized what

(02:32:40):
has happened over and over again in terms of the
criminal justice system. Now they're beginning to see many of
the programs that they've been involved in disappearing because.

Speaker 9 (02:32:53):
Of lack of funding, so on and so forth.

Speaker 14 (02:32:56):
Then you have a younger generation. There's some positives to
this in that they have not experienced.

Speaker 19 (02:33:03):
The harm.

Speaker 14 (02:33:05):
On the level that those who are older have. They
have not experienced the same kind of trauma, but their
own traumas but not the same kinds of traumas. So
they're reacting and responding to something differently in their bodies', mind's, hearts,
and spirits. Then we have a younger generation that has
no real historical memory, right, so they are watching a

(02:33:28):
country that you know, has promised and has indeed delivered
on so many technological advances, all a lot of stuff
that we certainly didn't have. TikTok and all of the
you know, social media platforms, people who are invisible or
and not invisible anymore, all of those kind of toys

(02:33:50):
of distraction. And so when you ask what's going on,
what should we do, there's not a one thing. There's
a multiple level of things. So now let me just
go back to those of us that are older that
in some ways drop the baton because we bought an

(02:34:10):
illusion of inclusion. We bought into it so deeply that
we began to believe that the assault was not there anymore,
you know, kind of a bootstraps mentality, not recognizing that
the same monster that enslaved us is still here enslaving
us in different ways. So we need to wake up

(02:34:33):
from that, and we need to understand that in some
ways we drop the ball in terms of helping the
next generation you know, behind us come forward and place
firmly in their hands at baton so they can move
us forward socially, morally, politically, spiritually, on every level. And
so I think I'm very, very excited and happy to

(02:34:55):
see the level of activism that is going on in
certain areas of our community, but I'm saddened by what
we have lost. So now there are different layers of protests.
Folks are doing a lot of you know, we're seeing
it erupting all over the world. People are beginning to go,

(02:35:16):
wait a minute, you know what's going on here. We're
watching and seeing things that are not okay, and we're
looking at a planned and collective assault. It's not just America.
So I think we need to wake up to the
global global reality around anti blackness and again the usurping

(02:35:41):
of power and control. I don't think this is going
to end well. I don't think these things are going
to happen the way most people are watching it. But
I do believe that we need to be better prepared
than we are. And what I mean by that is mentally, emotionally, spiritually,
material league all of those things. For example, there are

(02:36:04):
places in the United States where you know, folks, you know,
you had a millionaire march which was phenomenal, and I
think it was so underappreciated, extremely underappreciated because of its effectiveness,
because it did not have all of the things that
people were saying, you know, this were going to happen.

(02:36:26):
There was wasn't violence. Black men came together in peace
and loyalty and love and power. Black men came together
in mass, and that is not something that this country
wants black men to believe they can do. So I
think it was very, very underreported, and before it could
be finished being reported, they had black people already out

(02:36:50):
there on the news. They found, you know, that were
going to basically deny anything positive about it, and we
had them, you know, front and center. That's the other issue.

Speaker 1 (02:37:04):
You know, we have hold up dough right there, Doctor Joey,
we got to step aside for a few moments and
I'll let you continue telling us how better we should
prepare for what's coming down the Pike family, you got
questions for doctor Joy to grew. Reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising
Family in factually rolling with us on this Wednesday morning.

(02:37:24):
It's a hunt day across the world. That means we're
halfway through the work week with our guest, doctor Joy degree.
Let me say this, whenever doctor Degrue or any of
our scholars are in your town, make sure you get
a chance to see them, because this is the information
that you need to pass on to your children. She's
best known for her book post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Some
of our folks are still suffering with that. We'll talk
about that momentarily. But what doctor de Groy is doing

(02:37:46):
this morning, though, is getting us better prepared for the
changes that are coming down the pike. Some of these
changes have already been made, we see in them, and
many people just don't know what to do. So doctor
Joy is here to help us out. So doctor Joy,
I'll let you continue, Okay.

Speaker 14 (02:38:00):
So the other piece that I wanted to speak to
is the fact that protests as we have known it
has to be different. Now let me explain personally, whatever
people have to do to take care of themselves. I'm
going to be in support of. I'm not marching, I'm

(02:38:22):
not walking, I'm not singing, I'm not doing any of that.
So much of that behavior has one it puts a
face on it. It says that some very positive pieces
around it in terms of letting the world know that
we're not okay with this. But I want people to
also know that laws are being changed as we are

(02:38:44):
speaking with regard to protest in America. What used to be,
you know, really a freedom to voice your opinion and
your thoughts, your ideas to peacefully protests, all of those things,
but those are being changed to such a degree that's
some of our young people may see themselves up on
you know, the kinds of charges that will land them

(02:39:06):
in a federal institution. We're looking at, you know, terrorism charges,
We're looking at you know, we just have to pay
attention to that. And I'm concerned about that because they're
like likely to get caught up in it. Thinking that
the same things that we did do we can do.

(02:39:27):
Now that being said, I don't think we should cower
and be afraid. But let me tell you something that
I think has much more effect. Because as much as
you know, we are concerned about how people think and
feel about black people, they don't think and care about
black people. It's very clear.

Speaker 19 (02:39:45):
I don't know how much.

Speaker 14 (02:39:46):
More evidence we need for that. I'm not necessarily looking
for anyone to like me. But what I do know
I have the power to do is figure out where
I'm gonna spend my money, because the only thing that's
more important than whitens is green and that's money. And
money is what drives this country. That's why we're here

(02:40:06):
in the first place. It's about money. It's about money,
and from that money power and the power to keep
a certain population of people down while it grows. The
other population people. This is what's been happening the whole time,
but in a brief moment, how much for everybody? Hear me?
If everybody just idea, if everybody would just go get up,

(02:40:29):
go to work, let's say thirty days, and come home,
get out on the street. You're going home, you're hanging
out with family, and you're spending your money only in
your community, only nowhere else. Right, we could see what
happens when black folks decided not to have foot traffic

(02:40:53):
in certain stores out there. Y'all know what I'm talking about.
I don't think we understand our power economically, which is
the only thing that matters in this country. They don't
care that they kill us. They don't care that we're sad, hurt, dying.
They don't care if they remove medicine from us. They
don't care if they don't allow our children to go
to schools, if they don't allow them food, if they

(02:41:13):
don't allow do you understand me. They don't care about that,
But they care where you spend your money.

Speaker 7 (02:41:20):
And what we couldn't do.

Speaker 14 (02:41:21):
And it wasn't just everybody, It wasn't everybody that decided
not to get foot traffic to a particular place. There
wasn't even everybody. But imagine that all of us bought
in two a month, thirty days, that we not tell
you what here's the thing, You're not gonna kill me,
and then have me bill your wealth while you're killing me.

(02:41:42):
That's just one idea, just saying now, let's move over
to our young people. Let's move over to the most
critical people that are in front of us that we're
passing the button too, that we are handing this hot
mess too to fix, correct, change whatever any ways that
have felt like they were abandoned, and the ones that

(02:42:04):
aren't abandoned and have not felt abandoned that as cross
ties and out of the eyes went to school, did
all the stop are saying, yeah, yeah, nobody was there
for me. I'm gonna get mine and I'm out. In
other words, not looking at us collectively, but looking at
I'm gonna get mine. So we have to begin to
look at that mindset. Part of that is educating people,

(02:42:24):
helping them understand who we are, where we came from,
why we are, and the fact that we're not a monolith.
We're unique people like anybody else. We got black folks
on every level in every corner, and we need everybody
to begin to pay attention in their lane and begin
to focus in on the needs of our communities throughout

(02:42:45):
the United States largely needed to be educated about what
is coming down the pipe, what that means. We need
our attorneys, we need our doctors, we need the brother
that's been running the barbershop for twenty years. We need
every single hand on deck for this process that is

(02:43:06):
coming down the pipe right now. So with all that
being said, we also need to be still, and we
need to take care of ourselves. We need to begin
to heal ourselves from the wounds that have been inflicted
upon us and that we have inflicted upon ourselves and
each other. We have to begin to understand. You know,

(02:43:28):
I remember, you know they're removing from curriculum materials anything
has to do with history. They're taking Peter, the brother
that was beaten badly during the war, the Civil War,
the brother with the kiloids on his back out of
the museum. I said, Peter, that's who you take it out.
We don't want you to see what you've done. Now,

(02:43:51):
if all of that's going on, do you think for
in a million years that I expect the institutions of
America to educate my children, my grandchildren. Shame on us
if we are not educating ourselves. Let's start Saturday schools.
All of these huge religious organizations, churches, open your doors
and begin to do what needs to be done. Because

(02:44:13):
we've done this before, we have the capacity to do
this before and to do it now. In other words,
to begin to embrace our communities on every level. So
I want you to hear me. Do you, but do
it collectively. Do what you do, not what doctor Joy
does or anybody else that comes on this show. Where
are you in your lane? Where are you helping and

(02:44:35):
giving back? Because that's what we need. We need unity,
we need peace among each other. But there's a reason
why it's not here, and it's not Some of it
has to do with our negligence. So I think that right,
I said, trusted God and tell your camel have a plan. B.

(02:44:56):
I don't have a problem with folks that are looking
at other places being go including Ghana that's opened its
doors and is offering dual citizenship. Right, And we're starting
we're starting to look at the fact that this is
a globe and it's open to us, and they're options.
So yeah, I'm not mad at people taking those options.

(02:45:17):
On the other hand, you know, there are people who
can't go, they can't leave, and so we're looking at
what do we do at home, what do we do here?
And we have to take and learn from those that
have done this in the past, and we have to
be creative about moving forward. The new technologies also offer
us more ability. So I think that what I'm saying

(02:45:38):
is one we need to be still in look at ourselves.
We have to stop the nonsense of the inner the
intracultural fighting and struggles that are going on, the petty
you know, divisions that are going on between within families.
We have to start looking at what we've been able
to do for generations, and that to maintain a sense

(02:46:01):
of our intrinsic work, value, dignity as a culture and
as a people.

Speaker 1 (02:46:09):
All Right, thirty minutes at the top of the doctor
Joy got some folks want to talk to you. Carl
is calling first. He's in Arlington, Virginia. Grand Rising, Carl.
Your question for doctor Joy?

Speaker 7 (02:46:19):
Hey, Grand Rising, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:46:23):
Yes, we can hear you.

Speaker 14 (02:46:26):
I can hear you.

Speaker 6 (02:46:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (02:46:27):
The question I had, Well, first of all, I want
to thank you for the book that you wrote, that postraumatic.

Speaker 6 (02:46:34):
Disorder.

Speaker 18 (02:46:34):
Wherever I have a book and work with definitely thought
and I appreciate you putting that out there. You may
mention of the fact that our generation has dropped the ball,
and so my question to you would be, how do
you recover from that when our leadership doesn't even want
to acknowledge that they make mistakes and that some of

(02:46:59):
the things that they have her just to do has
not panned out or shown any type of return on
the investment that we've put into it. I say that
because you know, you had some of our leadership back
in the day who could be self aware and say that, hey,
you know, this integration thing didn't work out the way

(02:47:19):
you know we thought it would. You know, I've led
my people into a house that is gonna fire. You
don't have a leadership today that has that kind of
self awareness, and that's going to be put on display
this weekend with this Black Caufice convention. So I want
to bring it back to the question, how is it.
How can we because we're the weather that to do work,

(02:47:39):
How do we get the attention of this so called
leadership to realize that hey, we just we have a
whole generation to drop the ball, drop the baton, and
we gotta we gotta pick up the baton and then
get back in the race.

Speaker 17 (02:47:52):
How do we do that?

Speaker 11 (02:47:54):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (02:47:54):
So I think on a on a number of levels.
You know, one of the things that Randall Robinson muh
you know, talked about in in my book, actually what
he spoke with me about it personally, and I think
I mentioned it was that the problem with much of
the black leadership that he was looking at. And those
of you that don't know who read Robinson is I

(02:48:15):
highly recommend that you look him up. He has passed away,
but he's left a legacy of literature that is profound.
He said that we have leaders that came to do good,
the stay to do well. And what that means is
that what started off as a real critical focused movement

(02:48:37):
that was directed at upliftment became in the end, well
I'm gonna get mine. I'm watching everybody else. I'ma I'm
gonna get mine. So came to do good, stayed to
do well. The second part I would say is that
when we say leadership, I don't know what pictures come
in people's minds just that term what is its Black leadership?

(02:49:02):
And I think Black leadership has changed, and I think
Black leadership needs to change, meaning that we have to
be a community of leaders. We have to be an
organized group of leaders, not a single or a couple
of leaders. You know, and I said this in my book.
We can no longer be a people whose collective voice

(02:49:24):
can be stilled by a single shot. We can no
longer be that. We have to be a community of leaders.
And you know, I guess they're leaders out there. You know,
there are a few of them, but they don't dictate
what I do because all of us are leaders, and

(02:49:46):
all of us are leaders in our own right. That's
what that we have to establish. We can't stop and
wait for someone to do it. We have to say, okay,
you know what I think collectively what we can do
in this community. I think we can all in this
community just just go door to door or get a
number of people and begin to build and develop the
kind of response to what is going on to with

(02:50:09):
us locally.

Speaker 20 (02:50:11):
And have some impact.

Speaker 14 (02:50:13):
I'm not waiting from somewhere for someone from somewhere else
to say it on TV or do we can we can.
We can't afford that. So what I'm saying about leadership
is I'm not trying to fix it or change it.
I'm trying to recreate it. I'm trying to inspire leadership
all around me and everywhere I go, because if we're

(02:50:33):
waiting on them. And again, I think it was said
by the caller before, and the caller before was talking
about all the corruption and this one stole this money,
and this one took that money, and this one is
doing this, and I'm going, you know what, I don't
know their names, I don't know who they are.

Speaker 19 (02:50:49):
I don't even care.

Speaker 14 (02:50:50):
But where I am is what can I do, not
just singly, but in my own local environment. Now, of
course we have a global struggle, we have a national struggle,
but we also have a local struggle, and there are
communities where you know, again, I remember the brothers coming
together and saying we're gonna stop all of this raping

(02:51:13):
and pillaging and killing and whatever else was going on
and put off to stuff right right within the community itself. Now,
I know it's the new day, things have changed, but
I think we collectively need to understand we have a
great deal of power and leadership on the ground. But
we have to look at what the local issues are,

(02:51:34):
come together as communities, as neighborhoods and say what are
our needs, what can we collectively do to fix this,
and not waiting for someone you know, in Congress or
somewhere else to come and fix the problem. Because the
truth of the matter is, let's be clear, this is
a long game. This is a very long game. When
we start looking at the power as it goes up

(02:51:57):
from the national community all the way up to this
its levels of power in this country. It is seated
against us, and not forty short periods of It's not
a four year stint or an eight year stint. This
is a forty year stint. These are folks that are
seated in areas of justice in this community where you

(02:52:18):
got to wheel about. They're so oh, you got to
wheel them out. So we need to plan for the
long game, and in understanding that, we have to recognize
where our power lies. And I think we have to
stop placing it in individuals. We have to place it
in our collective and that collective needs to be built.
Like you said, before you can even hit the tape

(02:52:41):
in the race, you got to know there is a race.
Are you following me? So all those layers have to
be addressed one. Hello, friends, we're under assault. We need
to help our children. We have to help our youth
navigate this hostile environment that has now been given weedies.

Speaker 7 (02:53:01):
I mean it has been.

Speaker 14 (02:53:03):
It is terrible, terrible in terms of the way it's
coming at us. And we do a dis service if
we don't help everyone along the way, starting with educating
and re educating ourselves about what is here and what
is coming.

Speaker 1 (02:53:19):
All right, hold up one, right there, doctor Joey. We
got to take a short break and we come back.
Money Mine in Baltimore is a question for you. Another
person has a question sent a question about reparations for
you as well. Family, you two want to get in
on this discussion with doctor Jordy gru She's one of
our top scholars, best known for her book Post Traumatic
Slave Syndrome, and if you haven't picked that book up,
you should explain a lot of issues that are going

(02:53:39):
on in our community today. But you can reach us
right now at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six or twenty three minutes away from the
top they we'll take your phone calls next and Grand
Rising Family, thanks to staying with us on this Wednesday morning.
I guess is doctor Jordy Cruze, doctor Degruz helping us
navigate the waters now because some people are confused of
what's going on. They, you know, some stuff coming out

(02:54:00):
of the Washington DC, out of the White House. Some
people are suffering from Trump fatigue. Some people want to
cut and run. Some people say they're gonna fight because
this is we built this country, so we've got a
stake in here, and some people just just don't know
where to turn. And this is where doctor Jody Grew
is helping us out. And by the way, she's got
a best selling book of signature book is post Traumatic
Slave Syndrome. You pick up that book, you understand some

(02:54:22):
of the reasons why some of our brothers sisters savor
things and do the things they do. Right now, as
I mentioned before we left for the break, Money Mike
in Baltimore has a question for doctor Joy. He's online too,
Grand Rising, Money, Mike, you a question for doctor Joy.

Speaker 13 (02:54:35):
Good morning call, Good morning, doctor George. And in the morning,
doctor Jory, I got a couple of questions for you,
but let me make them quit. You f feel that
boycotton ers are not participating in Christmas thanksgiving, The lottery
and casinos would greatly change the dynamic or the thinking

(02:54:58):
of the greater population. And the next question is we
already demonstrated, we already saw what happened when COVID hit.
This government has such a love for money, such a
love for capitalism, that it gave people stimulus checks, gave
people added food, staff benefits, put a boycott on people
paying rent, and we as a people can't seem to

(02:55:20):
get it through our thick skulls that the money is
the way to fight this war. We don't have planes,
we don't have guns, but what we do have is
economic power. If we would believe in it, it would
really understand money.

Speaker 10 (02:55:36):
All of the.

Speaker 14 (02:55:37):
Above, All of the above based on what this brother
just said. Of of course, it's it's I heard you
well talk about reparation.

Speaker 1 (02:55:49):
Reparation, Mike, finish your response, Mike, I thank you for
your call.

Speaker 20 (02:55:57):
Go ahead, doctor Joy all right, So so part of
what you know, and again I agree with that if
we've just stopped buying the stuff that's keeping us literally
put down, you know we we are if we keep
if we just stopped supporting uh, those spaces and those things,

(02:56:18):
absolutely we would get full attention because you've got to you've.

Speaker 14 (02:56:22):
Got to remember, like this brother just said, it's about
the money. So reparations, now here's the irony. I you know,
I am part of several reparations organizations, but more and
more importantly, Global Circle for Reparations and Healing had two
sums in Ghana, and there have been summits in Jamaica,
summits and all over literally everywhere black people are. Black

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people in Global Africa is coming together. It's been a slow,
hard road and we still have some healing, healing, healing
that's needed between the African diyes for those who were
dispersed and the continent. So we have some work to
be done, but we are a force. Collectively, we are

(02:57:05):
a force if we can just get to that and
understand it. So the reparations happens on different levels. What
we've recognized is you can't have reparations without healing. You
just can't. Because what you do is you get a
whole lot of people together exerting and engaging in unhealed behavior.
Some of that unheal behavior. Let me give you an
example of it so you can understand what I'm talking about.

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There was a group of psychiatrists in a particular part
of the United States. There were just three of them
because it was a small black community, and they decided,
you know what, why don't we just hope hang out
our own shingle work out of the same space and
serve the black community because there weren't people serving the

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black community's mental health. And it was so excited. The
entire community was very excited about it. Everybody was talking
about it, but it never happened, and it never happens
because they couldn't decide whose name would come first on
the sign outside. And I wish that weren't true. That

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is the absolute truth. They were unable to do it
because they couldn't determine whose name was a listed first.
That's the unhealed behavior. And what we have to appreciate
is that that need to be important and valued. I
understand that, but not to the extent that we harm
each other. And so we have to deal with the

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unhealed behavior. The unhealed behavior in the meeting where one
voice has to dominate everybody else's voice, or one voice
feels like it has to squash anyone else's perspective that
doesn't agree with theirs. Those are unhealed behaviors where we
are looking at each other as competitors when we're working
together collectively collectively heal and yet we're still competing with

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each other around who does that best? I'm naming on
so you can understand that those unhealed behaviors stifle our
ability to work together collectively. Yes, I think we really
have to look at economics and we have some brilliant
minds in the economic arena. We have some brilliant black
minds and we need them and we need their voices

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in terms of understanding how to be strategic about where
and how we spend our money. We need them front
and center. Again, not a leader, but leadership. We need
to be able to come together. And might I say,
might I say the revolution will not be televised, and
I mean that I don't think it can be. If
we want to be effective, we need to be strategic

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and have stealth. Now, am I going to talk about
all that on this program? Absolutely not. But what I
am going to tell you is that we are going
to have to start doing things a little differently. I
think we have to start looking at economics square in
the face, and we need our black leadership around economics
to come together and to talk about what that might

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look like, just like we need the folks. We have
folks that are you have black people all over the
country that are buying real estate together saying, you know
what our communities are under assault, let's create our own.
We have folks that are in banking, we have bat
people are in finance, we have people on every level,
and we need to start coming together collectively, collectively to

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make a difference. And I think absolutely spot on. If
you have let me say it as loudly as I can,
you have a choice where you spend your money, spend
it well, and spend it with people that look like you.
And trust me, there will be a reaction, especially if

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we do that on a large enough scale.

Speaker 1 (03:00:48):
Na Shay to that ten Away from the Top, I
with doctor Joy the grew Doctor Joy Roberts calling from
Kansas City, has a question for you. Is online one
Grand Rising Robert.

Speaker 17 (03:00:57):
You're on with doctor Joy, friend rising to the two
of you. I was thinking about Fred Hampton Senior, and
I was thinking if he was around in twenty twenty
five at the age of twenty one. You know, at
age twenty one he started the Rainbow Coalition with Rainbow
he food programs.

Speaker 6 (03:01:17):
And all that.

Speaker 17 (03:01:18):
If he was around today, doctor Joey, at twenty one,
he probably would know every detail of Project twenty twenty five.
And I bring that up to ask you this question.
Don't you think that we should be educating our young
people about what's going on around them? Because when I
pull up into a gas station, all I hear is music,

(03:01:39):
and I'm thinking.

Speaker 7 (03:01:40):
They know everything.

Speaker 17 (03:01:42):
The average twenty one year old in the African American
in this country to know everything, Doctor Neelie Ford Junior,
you should be able to walk back twenty one year
old and ask them what you know? Doctor Fuller, do
you know Fred Fred Wesley?

Speaker 7 (03:01:57):
What's her names?

Speaker 17 (03:01:59):
It seems well, I guess the question is don't you
believe shouldn't we be educating our young people? That's the
question about what's going on around them?

Speaker 14 (03:02:09):
Absolutely, we need to. Absolutely, you hit it again. It's
if you think.

Speaker 21 (03:02:16):
About it in terms of process. If we understand the
culture right, we understand we need all the generations in
the room. There are a few families where all the
generations come together.

Speaker 14 (03:02:32):
We have got to re establish a sense of normalcy
around family. Just family. This brother is talking about educating people.
If Fred Hamton was here twenty one years old. We
are in a situation where we have the access to

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all information out there is out there. We can access
all that information. What's not happening is the gens the guidance. Yes,
we need to understand that, we need to understand what
this whole notion of a Project twenty five is all about.
We have to educate our children about who they are

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because now think about it, even what we had is
being removed and that wasn't anything, That wasn't much. But
we never have taken it upon people outside our community
to educate us about who we are. There's a culture
why that is just contraindicated for them.

Speaker 20 (03:03:32):
Why would they do that?

Speaker 14 (03:03:33):
Why would they educate us about ourselves and who we are?
And we don't know. I'm not mad at you, but
we can learn. And yes, we need to get about
educating and helping young people. You're about helping young people
know what's going on, helping older people understand what's going
on because people are I think there's a lot that's happened,
including with COVID, where all of a sudden, even looking

(03:03:57):
at education, that education is is under a siege, you know,
So we have to and I think, what do we
have sitting out there? We have historically black colleges. I'm
now at you know, I'm at Morehouse. And one of
the things that I'm realizing and working with all these incredible, young,

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gifted black men and right across the way is Spelman.

Speaker 1 (03:04:23):
We have.

Speaker 14 (03:04:25):
I mean, they're bursting at the scenes with scholars, but
they need to know our history.

Speaker 15 (03:04:31):
They need to know who they are.

Speaker 14 (03:04:32):
What we're handing them, and what this race is all about.
We need to do that. That's why I'm saying, let's
bring back Saturday schools. Let's do the work that we
need to do to educate our community moving forward. And yes,
we're trying to hold folks and governments and politicians hold
them accountable. But that's very hard to do when the

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rules are changing. One of the things that Michelle Obama
said that I have so much respect for. She says,
we don't have the privilege to change the rules so
that we always win. And what we're seeing is we
get we are struggling and fighting yeah, let's make certain
this's happen. And they just change the rules. They just

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know what they've always done, and now they're doing it.
Within two of the three days, changing the rules, Oh
we're going to do this, and three days later saying, oh,
no we're not, and we're going to make a law
that says we don't have to, so what we have to.
In spite of all that, In spite of all of
that that's going on, we do have the ability to

(03:05:38):
educate ourselves. We have that ability, and we have these
incredible black institutions that I am sure if we call
upon them, and I think we need to call upon
every historically black college to begin to offer curricular materials
to the community.

Speaker 1 (03:06:00):
You know, doctor Joy, one of the Yeah, Kane of
the critakes Doctor Joy about our hbc US. If they
don't teach that, you know, they their curriculum is basically,
you know, a white curriculum, just guide it over with
black folks teaching it. But what you're talking to about
our history that they said, I'm hearing from professors at
hbc US, if that's.

Speaker 14 (03:06:20):
Mission it is, that's real, that's real, and part of
well in this regard, I think that there are a
number that don't even teach Black history. So again, I
think that was an assumption that because we are there
historically black colleges, there's a certain level of awareness, and

(03:06:43):
that assumption is based upon that's coming in and their
exposure at what they know, and I think that's been
a miss. I think you're right. I think that's correct,
that there's a miss there. We have to be deliberate
and intentional, very specifically intentional about teaching what is really
going on and what has gone on and what has
gotten us to the point that we're in right now.

(03:07:05):
See if people understand, I'm getting ready to do my
first public talk at Morehouse and it's going to be
on October fourteenth, and this will be my first opportunity
to be in I'm surrounded by scholars as well. And
one of the things that I think I have to
offer that I can bring to this is to connect

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the dots, because a lot of people don't understand how
what is currently happening is very clearly connected to our
history and what has always been done different name, different day,
same oppression and same oppressor, and we have got to
look at these things together and we have to begin

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to make an assumption that folks don't know because they don't.
They really don't. And of course people go to college
with appearance. You know, if you go to my parents,
you know that said, well, we want you all to
go to school, want you to all, you know, be
able to be self sufficient, all these different things. Get
a good job, right, Well, that hasn't changed a lot.

(03:08:13):
You go to school, you get the degree, you get
a good job. Let me tell you how that changes.
How that's different from Africa. Nobody's looking for a job.
People are creating products, businesses as young as nine years old.
They're going, I'm not looking at someone hiring me. I'm
looking at what I can produce, what I can sell,

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what I can do. Now that doesn't eliminate education, but
I'm not looking putting the power in someone else's hands
to sustain me. Very different way of looking at economy, right,
very different way of looking at economics, because everybody has
a business and everybody's looking at that. In America, everybody's

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looking go to the best, the most prestigious universities so
you can get good job. We gotta get that.

Speaker 1 (03:09:01):
We got to cut it there. Dr Joey flat out
of time, I just want to thank you for sharing
your thoughts with us this morning. Thank you all right family.
Doctor joydegrew her book Against post Traumatic Slaves SY and
don't pick it up if you don't have a copy
of it. As I mentioned, classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, and also

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