Dr. Julianne Malveaux on Recession, Black Women & Estate Planning

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Tuesday
with us again. Later, economist doctor Julian Ralvau check into
our classroom. Doctor Malvaux will explain whether we are in
a recession or on the brink of one, also offer
some tips how to mitigate the effects of a recession.
Doctor Malvaux will also discuss the disproportionate impact of unemployment
on black women and also if the FEDS will cut

(00:22):
interest rates at their next meeting. But before doctor Malvaux,
attorney Ethel Mitchell will offer some estate planning information. Also,
sixty civil rights activists doctor Paul Smith and Ambassador Andrew
Young will join us Momentarily, Gang Interventiontion Malik Spellen will
make an appearance. But let's bring in Kevin so we
can open these classroom doors two minutes after the top
of the Grand Rising Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Grand a Rising, Carl Nelson, indeed, man on this Tuesday.
It is Tuesday, right the ninth of September, at three
past the hour, you know, so it's a great morning.
And that was just wondering, how are you feeling, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm in I'm never going to
be in the learning inquisitive. It's easy for me because
I've always been inquisitive, you know, But now it's learning.
It's what you learn and how what you do with
the stuff that you've learned.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's more than you expect.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
That's what's your Oh yeah, because you because you're getting
you you're getting new information and and now it seems
like everything what was your thought was left is now right.
You know, you go, oh way, now you have your
access to check it out and exactly, and then it's
up to you to do Am I going to now

(01:37):
go buy my new information or stick with the old stuff?
And that's the challenge for many people.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, it also works when you trying to be athletic
and life. You know, you're working out and you know,
you find out you can go from you know X
number of reps to you know why number of reps.
You know, as you're working you go from uh, measuring
weight loss to measure fat lass. You know. It's there's

(02:02):
that learning game as well. Have you ever played that game?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, because it's all learning because and the more you
do that, you get more tips on what you should do.
This might be you should try this, and you try Sometimes
it works and sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes I think,
you know, when it comes to athletics and working out,
sometimes I think it's it's body specific, you know what
I'm saying, how your body is formed and eating and
all that kind of stuff comes into it. So it

(02:29):
doesn't necessarily one size fits all.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And one thing. For sure. Motivation gets your going. Habit
gets it done. It's the habit. Once you set the habit, man,
it becomes automatic. And that's the part that I think
is where you keep continually learning. That's where I'm still
learning as well. Hey, let's talk about what's happening. Though.

(02:53):
In the news for a second came there's this senator who,
if he wasn't in the Senate, I think he'd be
like a radio announcer or something. Dirk Durbin out of Illinois.
He calls for the Senate hearing on Trump's threats to
send troops to cities like Chicago. And so he's saying

(03:17):
that that the threats to deploy military forces to Chicago
and other cities is dangerous, and he's saying that the
within the jurisdiction of the committee he's on it rewards
and it asks for it warrants an immediate hearing. And

(03:37):
so a particular relevance for this committee is that the
men and women serving in our armed forces are trained
primarily for fighting war, not community policing and safeguarding civil liberties.
So it's unlawful and it's unnecessary to deploy troops to
engage in law enforcement and local communities instead of the
duties they're trained for. It undermines military readiness and endangers

(04:03):
American communities. Your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I think he's right what he's talking about, and he
didn't mention it by name. Possematadis. You know, the military
is not supposed to been forcing ruling on the streets
of America. That's that's against the law, you know. But
he didn't mention by name. But that's what he implied.
And I'm sure the people on that Senate committee that
he chairs understand that as well. But be that at
his mate, Kevin Donald Trump is just a thumbdis nosed

(04:28):
at all of that anything in the constitution. So, you know,
wish will think and and I hope Dick Derwin, you know,
whatever he says that the people of the committee that
he chairs, who will listen to him and you know,
come to their sensors and say, hey, this is illegal,
you know. And the other part about them being ready
for what they were trained for. If something breaks out
anywhere where they have to defend the United States or

(04:49):
the United States businesses around the world, they'll be on
the streets of Chicago and DC picking up trash. And
I think that's that's what he was implying to these
committee members.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So a federal judge ruled yesterday that Trump had violated
a federal law. As you were saying, uh, that prohibits
using soldiers.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
And you said, say the name of that law again,
pashkamatatas Wow, say it.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Five times fast. No, I'm only kidding. So in other news, uh,
the US lawmakers are going to release the Epstein birthday
book with the alleged Trump note in it. The book
was released with the troph of documents that include Epstein's
will and his personal address book with contacts that include royalty, celebrities, models,

(05:39):
and politicians from around the world. What's in your what's
in your address book?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
You know, you know what he was.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
It was interesting, like Kevin, the media have gone out
their way. They are describing what Trump's the picture that
this they say that Donald Trump, uh did you know
the side of a woman and and his writing and
they say allegedly or supposed to be. But then there's
there's the writings of a former pre president Bill Clinton.

(06:10):
They don't use that, they don't go and count it
in the journalistic terms allegedly or supposedly or purportedly. You know,
they said Bill Clinton's you know, straight up Bill Clinton
did this. So I'm watching how it's being reported, you know,
because as Brandon told us yesterday, he says, most of
the media, the mainstream media, they've they've bent the knee
as far as it comes to Trump. So they're going

(06:31):
going off a backwards You're saying, it looks like he's
saying a reported singer, allegedly all those things, you know,
to protect themselves. But when it comes to Bill Clinton
and straight up Bill Cinton, this is big Clinton's what
Clinton sent to Epstein. So watch keep an eye on that.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh yeah, you think they're going to delve into into
Clinton even though Trump promised his supporters that he's going
to release the Epstein files, and now all of a
sudden he's red nigging on that idea. And there's a
thought I read that somewhere I don't remember the source
of this one. And he's they are saying that if

(07:07):
he if he doesn't release, he's gonna lose a lot
of his MAGA support, and if he does release it,
he's gonna lose a lot of his MEGA support. He
doesn't seem to have a winning strategy for this, and
they say the two hundred thirty eight page book was
put together for Epstein's fiftieth birthday by always mispronounced this

(07:30):
lady's name, Gislaine Gislaine Maxwell Julaane Fin Yeah, oh okay,
so the age is silent, okay, all right, thank you.
And it was put together for his fiftieth birthday birthday
by her, and she's his British co conspirator, an ex

(07:51):
girlfriend who was convicted in twenty twenty one of conspiring
with him to traffic girls for sex. About that man, but.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know, here's here's the other wrinkle two about going
back to that that he supposed postcard birthday card. I
remember if the Wall Street Journal reported it, this is
real de rue and he said he's going to sue
them for billions of dollars. He is going to sue
and he was fiercely trying to get the Wall Street
Journal to retract, even called Rupert Murdoch. But before it
was released, Rupert Murdoch had a meeting with J. D.

(08:24):
Vans connect the Thoughts here. Had the meeting and they
told me, we you know, they've got their lawyers. They know,
they know that that postcard was written is Donald Trump's signature.
They're not gonna, you know, Rupert Murdrock's not going to
risk his his empire on a whim, you know. So
that's why they went. Because it's all the teacher in

(08:45):
journalism school, the only the only report or the only
way you can get away from slander and uh was
slander and libel is the truth. That's the only that's
the only truth. And they got to prove it if
not if it's not truthful, they got to prove that
you did it with reckless disregard for the truth. That
means you you knew it was fake, but you did

(09:05):
it purposely. But this way, Murdoch's attorneys and these guys,
good attorneys. You know that he's international meeting U guy.
So so they checked it out and they say, okay,
go ahead and file. So we'll see, we'll see because
you know, Donald Trump's threatened to file fire lawsuits and
then all of a sudden, you know, he claims they
work it out or they capitulated, they settled it, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
But we'll see how this goes. President President Bill Clinton
is mentioned and it says that he was there out
of his curiosity towndlike curiosity, and the spokesperson for Clinton
has acknowledged that he of course was acquainted and uh
and the BBC contact at the Clinton Foundation.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
And it also contains a birthday message from Lord Peter Mandelssohn,
the British ambassador to the US, and they said they
were best and Mandelssohn. Prince Andrew also was faced with
allegations that's part of the Epstein sauga and he's denied
all wrongdoing. But basically this article.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, he paid off the woman who accused him, but
go ahead. And she ended up mysteriously moving to Australia
and died, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh man, there's a reason.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It's deep, Kevin, This this Epstein file is deep. But
this is some of the movies in Shakers on the Planet.
In there, Bill Gates is named. That's that's why his
wife filed for divorce when she found out he was,
you know, in the Litlita Express deal.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
So it's really deep.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Remind me not to move to Australia, I'll tell you that. Look.
One last thing about this, of course, Trump, after he
was beginning his lawsuit against Rupert Murdoch for what is it,
ten billion dollars, he denied writing the note and he said,
it's a fake thing. It's a fake thing. I never

(10:56):
drew anything. I never drew anything. And yet there's evidence
to show him drawing pictures of other type of things
like the White House or or something to that effect.
And uh, and according to news one, Trump is using
black and brown cities to build a new plantation economy
for MAGA America. And I think you you talked about

(11:18):
that already, but did you want to share more about
this this whole thing. Trump is publicly threatening to withhold
funds from Baltimore's Key Bridge.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, because you know, it resonates with his with his
space with the MAGA group. You know, go after the
liberal cities there, black cities where black Marys and where
most of our people live. So that resonates that that's
the MAGA group, his core audience.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
They approve that.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
So whenever he's in trouble, you know, he goes back
and do something that they can applaud. And that's and
this is what he's doing. Some people say it's of course,
it's it's a distraction from what's going on with Epstein.
Fives for whatever he does, though, you know, it's goes
it reverts back to that. That's just a default move.
Whenever things are looking bad, I do something to so
so my maga folks won't won't desert me. And this
is what this is all this is all about.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, I thought that the Key Bridge pretty much is
somewhat controversial anyway, kind of represents magaism. I made that
word of it kind of represents that whole idea that
the Trump is seems to be pushing forward because Key,
you know, Francis Scott Key, and.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
He don't care.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
He's not that big. He's patriotic in words, he doesn't
he's refusing to holding funds or threaten the whole funds
because the mayor's a Democrat, the mayor is black, the
governor's a Democrat, and the governor's black, and it's Maryland,
and that's that's all he doesn't care about Francis Scott
Key Khmat.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, but but it's a shipping port. Baltimore is a
shipping port, right, so by building the rebuilding the bridge,
it keeps the traffic flow. But he but you're saying
you can affect the city by of course giving them

(13:07):
the funding to finish the bridge.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, because there's a lot of jobs involved in that,
and the mere fact they build it back it looks
good for for you know, Brand and Scott and and
it looks good for the governor as well.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Governor more.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay, Wow, Trump is staging a dance of power. Okay,
looking like law and order, but designed to provoke, humiliate,
and dominate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
And the other thing you got to remember with all
of these things, and you know, because he gets sued
on the the lower courts, and then what happens is
that he knows he said, okay, we'll take it to
Supreme Court, and that's where he's that's where he knows
that he'll get the win, the victory. So he's hoping
that you file a lawsuit and then you know, he

(13:57):
can appeal and appeal to the Supreme Court. See what's
going on now in this country Kevin. People think it's
just sort of organic. It just started yesterday, even though
we have Project twenty twenty five laid out what they're
going to do, and they've been planning this for years,
for decades. They've been planning this. They've come up with
contingencies too, just in case the people rebel or you know,

(14:19):
come up against this.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
So this is working all to plan, you know. MARKA.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Manheim told us years ago this was going to happen
almost for blow by blow, you know. The other thing
you told us that we're seeing that. I just saw
that the post offices losing money because he mentioned that.
One of the early things that Mark mentioned, they're going
to privatize the post office, and it just came out
the post office leaving so much more, like eighty percent
of people are not using the post office anymore, you know,
because of the Internet. But so he'll be like the

(14:46):
other parts of the federal government they're hoping to privatize them.
Who's going to get those those jobs, just like building
these what it's called alligat Alligator Alcatraz and all these
detention centers. His frans are getting these man to get
the close contracts.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well well looking at a different side of Donald Trump
may be more of the same.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
He's exhorting Americans to pray for the US ahead of
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. He's saying, gather in
groups of ten for weekly prayers ahead of the celebration
of the nation's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. And church
and he's they say, this is blurring the church state lines. Now,

(15:30):
what do you think about that? Prayer?

Speaker 7 (15:32):
Is good?

Speaker 8 (15:32):
Is it not?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
It is you talking about a guy who held the
Bible upside down and talked about two Corinthians.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Come on and is selling his own bible, selling.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
His own Bible. But you know the koold, the koolady
is strong.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, thanks Carl for your telling Ma, we got to
go into promotional considerations. Take us there and.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
The okay a step aside, family, come back. Spellman's going
to join us. Malik is a gang interventionist and you'll
start taking your focals with brother Malik at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six or do that
next and grand rising family, Thanks for waking up with
us on this Tuesday morning. I guess right now is
Malik Spellman Brother Malik is a journalist, is what we

(16:17):
call a gang interventionist. He's one of these huge journalists,
probably the only one who's dedicated his career to helping
the brothers and sisters inside and out.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Brother Malik, welcome back to the program, fand rising.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Brother Carl and your audience, and thank you for having you.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Uh, Brother Malik, the streets that you it's your office.
You work with these brothers who in and out and
for some of the folks who have never heard you before,
why why did you decide this? Because you've you've done print, TV, radio,
you've done it all across all media platforms. But you're
still doing it to help the folks who are inside,

(16:56):
or are on the or just been released.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Why Well, because I am that person that I'm trying
to help, and I'm also that person that at one
time needed that particular help, and I know the severity
of what's going on behind the walls in regards to
brothers that are incocerated, including sisters, and what they go through.
When you, as a citizen and the public, see a

(17:20):
person's sentence, that's the final frontier as far as you're
concern But when you get behind that wall and deal
with the politics and the deep rooted racism that could
never be eradicated, now only just from the staff, but
from inmates that are not of African American descent. And
you getting in and see black people and black men

(17:40):
that are suffering from mental illnesses of been in in
thirty forty fifty years, you know, and they're writing with
FECs on the wall and they're talking to themselves, and
in some instances is not a lot of instances nowadays,
you see brothers and sisters who have aged behind the
wall who are now senior citizens, and they got a

(18:00):
thing now with you know, my brothers trying to reference
exactly what it is that they call it, but it's
almost like Uber East, but it's almost like a caregiver
where you pick up old gang members and stuff like that,
take them to the shower, into the bathroom and to
comments here and things of that nature. So with the

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listening audience we'll hear today on this great show, which
is the University of Intelligent People. It's something that's concerning
to us and should be because it's a place where
our people are getting placed into slavery with our own
permission and our tax.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Dollars twenty three at the top of that family. Just
waking up on this Tuesday morning. I guess there's some
mileage expellman. It's a gang intervention. He works with a
brothers and sisters in captivity and those who've just been released.
As he's been doing this, as I mentioned on all
immedia platforms and TV radio print. It's not all, but
he says. He explained why he does it though, because

(18:58):
you know what happens. Brother, Until you came along and
started just put a spotlight on these folks, they would
they would. People are just you know, threw them away
after they got incarcerated. Some rightly so deserve and some
not so much. But their lives seem to be, you know,
seem to be ended. And some people say they deserve it.

(19:18):
They did the crime.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
You do the time. Why should we be sorry for you?
Your response to that, well.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
The reason that you should still saw you're sure someone
is dealing with a situation like that because it could
very easily come to a theater near you or someone
that you love. And when someone is incarcerated dedicated on
various circumstances with mostly in the community is mostly survival
things that are utilized in order to facilitate more getting

(19:46):
from day to day. It doesn't just have that effect
where you just see him sentenced and he's gone for
twenty thirty years. You just sentenced a family, you just
sentenced a community. You just took someone's grandfather and mother,
just take away household breadwinner, and it has a ripple effect.
And as you take me away for twenty thirty years
and justify what you're doing, my son's growing up confused

(20:11):
and in trouble and he's the next person up the
bat in regards to incarceration. So it's not an easy
equation to weigh in on. It's very easy for us
to go and you know, do Jerry trial or see
people go to prison and just forget them out of it.

Speaker 8 (20:26):
Very easy to do.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
That's the equivalent of putting your your only mother and
an old folks home.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Let me say this, say, I think you got some
people on the line before we go to them, though, brother,
I mean tell. The audience says so many times one
of our folks got a gunned down in the streets
and the police department instead of going to the tell
the family, they call Melika and let him deliver the news.
Tell the moment, especially mom because status. But wasn't there
most of the time that their son that they know

(20:56):
it's their son is lying on the street dead, Malik?
What was it was that assignment that that you know
that you got from where the Cheff's apartment lapd. What
was that like when they called you to have you
delivered a bad message?

Speaker 9 (21:10):
How to deal with that?

Speaker 10 (21:12):
Well?

Speaker 8 (21:12):
Call it.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
It's a very unfortunate situation first and foremost, but it
makes it double horrible when you have to knock at
the door of a mother who's already suffering in poy
and have lost some of their children. Like I've explained
to your audience before, I doubled a situation where lady
had lost all in her children to gang violence and

(21:33):
we had to take one of her children out of
the casket out of the mausoleum to put the other
one in who died of a natural cause, who died
of gang violence. But the one who died of natural cause.
So when you knock at the door of a mother
who's already unstable financially eventually in some instance is spiritually,
and you tell them that their child who they've been

(21:54):
looking for all day is dead. That's when you meet
the fingernail to the face, fingingales to the chest. It's
just an overwhelming feeling because you know only your mother
knows the pains of life are equal to the pains
of death when she gives birth to a child, and
for someone to have the audacity to take that from her.
There's no words or feelings or descriptions to really give

(22:18):
to anyone unless they've experienced that firsthand or been part
and partial. So it's not a good thing to do,
even detectives. Season detectors don't like having to wake people
up and telling it something's happened to their loved ones.
So for people to take it for granted and hiding
me for rock or in their little glasshouse, this thing
is serious out here. You know, you don't know what's

(22:39):
going on, because Chicago, you got eight year olds and
thirteen year olds with blocks with switches on the silencers,
untrained and just shooting and carrying on. So I'm trying
to figure out who's advocating for this and why has
it gone on so long unattended?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
And that was a question I was going to ask you,
because it's still going on. Back in the day seventies eighties,
the crypts and bloods were around, and now that has
spread not just nationally but international, and crips and bloods,
and the people think, young people think that that's you know,
it's a badge of endearment to be a member of
a gang. They have different names in Chicago, of course,

(23:20):
and in Baltimore and d c. After, but the same
objective and the same color system. We were out of
blue fighting for something that doesn't belong to you. Some
concrete that's going to be there when you've gotten was
there before you was gone where it was gone.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
So what is the battle still going on?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Territorial brother Milika was back in the day, it's still
it's still some places that if you're a crip you
can't go, if you're a blood you can't go.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Of course that's always going to be the case. But
the thing that makes it interesting is that for so
long this thing has been going on and no one's
questioning or asking for receipts. For example, where it's all
the body parts of these people going, the organs, the
kidneys to scain, the eyes, the blood, you know, who

(24:06):
is doing this? I wrote an article once before talking
about how when the police come into a murder scene
in any inner city, the first thing they do is
that they answer to secure the analysts, they have to
secure the area for the ambulance, and then to ask
a series of questions, are you ged, are you vice lord?
Are you crippy blood? Are you sorry?

Speaker 10 (24:25):
You know?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
What is your status? That determines whether or not they help.
So then they ask another question whether you have red
cross or blue costs? So everything is color coded. And
then in the mindset of most police officers, black people
or HIV or a's infesteds of getting CPR is not
going to be a choice for them. And then this
ambulance is not going to come in because they figure

(24:47):
it's two dangerous. So your people die on the concrete.
Most of the time they could have been saved. Your
people die on the concrete. And then consequently you never
question where their body parts go. Ever, until you see
a ninety three ord white men and run by you
in the park and you wonder why, Well, because you
got a little pooky's heart. Now that's why I had
a situation where a lady I won't mention the name

(25:08):
of the person her son was a gang member and
he donated one of his body parts to this young lady.
I believe it was a kidney or something like that
Christian made. So I tried to reach out to her,
to the mother of the young man to thank her
and put her on the phone with the recipient of

(25:29):
the body part, and the lady told me unequivocally, malikue,
we respect what you do, we respect what you're doing,
but no, beyond no shadow of a doubt, if there's
such a term, do we want to be associated with
my son. And she commenced explaining why. She said her
son was an evil, wicked gang member who was on

(25:50):
the streets and they fell for the safety of themselves
and their future children. Now on the other side, the
young lady who was the recipient of the of the
believe the kidney or whatever it was, her family. I
was going to interview her as well, but they told
me that there's situations where the young lady gets into
throws tantrums and she literally turns into the gang member

(26:12):
whose body part that she had.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Twenty nine away from the top, and Malik's spelling this
a gang interventionist. I mean, let me just tell her
family it got it got so crazy out in La
We had a radio program, what is it called Peace Treaty.
Malik Milik was one of the hosts of the yeah,
and it was interesting because, you know, we had to
fight to get on here because just like you know,

(26:41):
the radio reflex of people in the community, and some
of them thought that we don't have anything to do
with these guys. We don't have anything to do with this.
You know, it's like this, there's there's a turd there
in the street and we're just walking around it. We're
just walking out with just these are our people, these
are there's our children. So we had to fight to
get on the air. Well, they come in here and
smoke and what if they bring alcohol in the radio? Say,

(27:03):
those are the battles, But what if we save some lives?
You know, that was my retort. What if we save
just one life? All these these battles of these young
people are going, what if we try to understand where
they're coming from. So they relanded and Andy said, okay,
But then it didn't last that long. But it did
for a while, and it did attract And you tell me,
did it ever? Did we have her save some lives

(27:25):
and it did it work?

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Oh yeah, Karl, we come outside and be two or
three thousand people trying to talk to us with their
problems and their issues. They gave birth to a lot
of dialogue in the streets, But for the listening audience,
a lot of the people, with the exception of mister
Nelson and a few others, are really not concerned with

(27:47):
the killing and incarceration of our people. Nevertheless, the youth
here in Los Angeles, we're having a situation in which
all these young black kids and others, of course, but
I got to speak for who I am first, are
being really east to the streets out of foster care
with nowhere to go, getting exploited. Put it into human
trafficking and things of that nature. Putting stupid spider web

(28:09):
eyelashes on the tattoo faces, you know, the whole tramp
stamping it. I don't know if any of your parents
out there paying attention to your daughters, but a lot
of your daughters are putting their birth date on their
the birth year on their legs and on their bodies.
And you probably like wondering, why was she put nineteen
ninety two on her body? Of nineteen ninety six. Because

(28:31):
they figure and this is just some of the people
that I talked to, it may not be accurate. If
something happens to them, like in more torn countries, then
they can have their body identified.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
That is it's deep.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I want to ask you about the harvesting of organs though,
because we've heard that Dick Gregory. You said when we
were doing the when you guys are doing the program,
Dick Gregory mentioned that he thought that was keith to
what's keeping up the gang fights in the city was
because of the harvest of organs. And I know you
did some research and have you found anything concrete to

(29:06):
really tie that to the gang violence.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Oh, it's obvious when you go to the DMV and
they try to force you to fill out their car
first and foremost. But if you look at the overwhelming
amount of young people and the young people that are dying,
they have a certain case for a particular type of
young black man, the most little handsome guy in the neighborhood.

(29:31):
One of my ex girlfriends was a mortician and she
explained to me how all these young people were coming
into the mortuary dying in their sleep, which is not
necessarily gang violence, but they were dying in their sleep
off the sitting off. And she was saying, how the
young cats that are coming in with the most popular
you know, light skinned kids used to be the football
player got the girls, and then the pretty girls was

(29:54):
coming in and there these people are all like twenty
four and under. So there's an epidemic in our community
with the pharmaceutical industry being involved because it's all medical related.
That's why you see in your communityy a CBS across
the street from it another drug store, because they've already
did the statistics, both violent and otherwise, to determine that

(30:15):
this community is going to need a certain amount of
help based on diabetes, gang violence, things of that nature.
See car, it's not just the gang murders, but it's
the amputations, it's the destruction of households, it's you know,
we did the gang truths. There are people coming out
with half of bodies from being shot, eyes blue off arms.

(30:36):
It's the carnage and the psychological effects that it has
on our children to where I've noticed, and this is
just in my personal studies and travels, that our children
only come outside when the ambulances outside, the police or
it's the fire. And then we dress out to we've
become so prone to violence to where we only take

(30:57):
our families out. When we go into a funeral, the
kids be dressed up to Mama, what is your child
that is six years old doing going to big murder
Mike's funeral? What is he doing there? When you see
on the Mexican side of the church in Inglewood, you
see them having weddings. On the Florence side, on the
Manchester side near the farm, you see number of black

(31:19):
people going to the funeral, and we dress our children
up and that's an outing and they play in the
cemetery with no reservations whatsoever. So we have to change
the whole dichotomy of this situation and look at it
for what it's worth. And let me give you an
opportunity to respond. But I just ponder this. The Attorney
General Los Angers just filed a multi level lawsuit against

(31:44):
the men in Central Jail, which is the launch path
for the prisons here in Los Angeles, and they declared
it any humane. And people are writing their names and
writing stuff from out the Bible on the wall with
their feces on the wall. Google it, listening audience, how homerendous, It.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Is all right, stand by our brother late we step
aside and get caught up on the latest news. But family,
these are the people, are brothers and sisters in captivity
or just released from captivity. This is what Malik does,
he said one of gang intervention he's a journalists.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
He works on them.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
He shines a spotlight on them, on their lifestyle. For
many of us, you know, we disregard them and once
they get in trouble with the police. But what are
your thoughts? You want to join this conversation, reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and we'll ticket phone calls after the
news that's next and.

Speaker 11 (32:31):
Grand rising family, thanks are waking up with us on
this ninth day of September. It's a Tuesday morning. And
I guess this gang interventionist and the Elik Spelman brother,
Malik works with our brothers and sisters in and out
of captivity. He's a journalist. He's worked on all platforms,
interviewing them before they go in, while they're in, why
while they get out, and highlight some of the problems
and issues they have. And then he says right right

(32:54):
here in their issues with us, so that we can
help some more folks out there we want to get
involved in get caught up in that system. Before we
go back to there, let me just remind you. Coming
up later this morning, we're gonna speak to an economists,
doctor Julian Malveaux. Also Attorney Ethel Mitchell will join us,
and also I Ambassador Andrew will be.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Here as well, along with Paul Smith, doctor Paul Smith,
their civil rights activists. And later this week you're going
to hear from the Master teacher himself. Brother Oshawa a
Quasi also a funny man, Guy Toy will be here
and write a Simeon book of Mohammed is going to
give us an update. There's going to be a conference
on UFOs. You know that's he's a slice of the
pieh So he's going to report on that conference for US.
Eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

(33:36):
Mark is calling from Baltimore's Online three. Wants to speak
to Melik grand Rising. Mark, you're on with Malik Spelman.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
Yes, the good morning, gentlemen, very important topic. My question
is I've put of a neighborhood of civic association here
in Baltimore City, Marylin, and we are concerned about what
goes on the community. We are a mixed community of
African Americans, Hispanic, Jewish, boats and the like. My question
is what we on the outside and association all as
individuals can do to help. Well, I guess assist with

(34:06):
the families of those who are incarsuated in some way.
You're providing some sort of material aid or whatever. Is
there anything we can spiritually of course by prayer, but
is there anything we can do or do you have
an organization where you work with families those incorsorated taking
in the African American community, or what can we do

(34:26):
to help? Thank you.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Got a great question and every answer help will make
someone's life better, not just incarcerated, but for the families
of these people who can't afford to actually look up,
look out for them, or keep up with them. One
of the small things that you can't do with your
great intentions, Mark, is to get a fan if you can,
and take some of these families to visit their loved

(34:53):
ones behind the wall, especially during the holiday season. So
renting a sixteen passenger van with a spiritue crew in
there that has a prayer component in place, that'll be
a great contribution to these people incarcerated. And then that'll
give your organization as well as others and opportunities to
take the families there. It'll create some sort of employment,

(35:15):
and there'll be a spiritual component attached to it as well.
Because the biggest thing, the least important thing on the
streets is the most important thing in prison, and that
is to receive a letter. So oftentimes if you can
get certain people to write letters and then make sure
that the people that are writing the letters are reaching
out to the right people that are not going to

(35:36):
use the situation any shape form or fashion through the
correspondence and writing letters for people to get out of
jail or to help provide them with jobs or job
opportunities before they're out, because a lot of people can
get out but the system don't want to release them
because the bond has expired and they want to renew
the bond, or they just don't have anywhere to go,

(35:57):
nowhere to work, excuse me, no place to unappointment or
most of the times with these people in our communities
black white, and they do so much time to do
when they come out there folks already.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Get all right, Thanks Mark, Thanks a good question, but
it very much all righty thirteen away from the top
of the miligue. I know you spend a lot of
time trying to stop people from getting caught up in
the system, these especially our young brothers and sisters. How
is that working out? Are they responding because you show them,
you you know, you show them what it's like, what

(36:30):
it's like life is like inside. In fact, we've had
some of the brothers listen to the program from behind
the walls and they've they've managed to get a phone
or they can call in at times, and it does
it doesn't seem as enterprising as great as they think
it is, you know, because some young people think that
going going to prisonally is it's like going to grad school,

(36:51):
you know, or going to a professional school, and when
you come out, you've you've you've got a degree, you've
earned your stripes.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Is that still the motive? Is that still how in
some of our young.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
People who don't know much, let's just put it that way,
are they still inclined to think like that that going
to prison is a badge of honor.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Well, it's a right of passage. In some communities, but
it's a right of passage, that's travel being directly or forced.
Most of the prison industrial complex here in Los Angeles, California,
is exactly how the acronym PIA prison industrial complexes PIC
is described, because it is literally a institution in which

(37:32):
they set these traps in these impoverished communities. Remember, the
average household in Los Angeles, or even Baltimore for that matter,
makes less than fifteen thousand dollars a year. But the
little brother got five thousand dollars worth of stereo with
ten thousand dollars worth of rims on his car. So
that's a mathematical oxy moron. Let's start right there. So

(37:53):
the traps that are set or left behind in the
inner cities based on the inheritance of violence and in
confidence along with the poverty. Then you add in the
curriculums that are being taught in these schools. One of
the curriculums that I was aware of, I don't exactly
know the name, but they had it where they were
teaching the migrant children that black people came here as migrants.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Looking for work.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
So when you get a situation in Baltimore where the
schools is an is what we would consider a farcier
there's a term I can use like that. And then
in Los Angeles, where the school system is a complete joke,
I've had brothers in prison. I used to have to
write the letters to their girlfriends on the streets because
they were functioning illiterate, you know. And that's what trems is.

(38:39):
That's what creates a lot of violence because if I
step on your shoe as a semi educated black man
and then you respond back as Carl Nelson, We're not
going to have the same discrepancies as somebody that if
you don't know how to read and write, the only
thing we have to do is.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Shoot, fight, real talk, turn away from the TOPL I
think Cliff is Jonathan Connecticut.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
Is Cliff still with us?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Grand Rising Cliff, Yeah, absolutely, Grand rising, Brother car and
then grand Rising to brother Milik.

Speaker 12 (39:08):
Brother Milika, you just said something, man, that was so
just so profound. Now you said that there was a
gang member that died and they wanted to give their
organ to have it to another individual trans transplant, and

(39:28):
then that individual had a different response once receiving that
that that organ.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
It was pretty much a reverse exorcism. The child literally
turned into that person when they got angry, and this
person went from being extremely sweet, church going, but once
they got to transfer from the gang member who had
multiple murders and was in the streets for real. I
know who he is that you all know he is.
I told you his name. That particular energy was into

(39:58):
that woman and her friend me was the one that
told me about her tantris that she has. So that's
exactly how it happened.

Speaker 12 (40:09):
Let me say this, man, I totally believe you are
one hundred percent and I'm saying when you speak of
a spiritual element to this, you are so on point.
And that's what I'm saying in terms of this whole
system is perpetuated by Satanists and Luciferians. These people are
real and the whole intent and carrib me from wrong

(40:29):
by the melikue not to deal with Hispanic people, not
to deal with any Mexican people, but the whole intent,
in my opinion that the melique is to target black people.
And I'm saying white black people, because we are the
chosen people of God, even from a spiritual standpoint, we're
being targeted by those in power. And so let me

(40:52):
get by saying this, and agree with me or disagree
if you may, But it seems that the Democratic Republican
Party give with them about black people and are in
it together towards destroy black people.

Speaker 13 (41:07):
If I'm not mistaken, speak.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
On that brother.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Post definitely, And you were probably one of the most
studious students that your teacher had, because you're fired on
all twelve cylinders. What you see now is a manifestation
of how they really feel about us in the streets.
We don't take a political position because we have no involvement,
and the policies and procedures that are put in place

(41:32):
in order to facilitate a better day for ourselves and
our family, we're undermined as the cornerstones. But on the contrary,
you're absolutely right when it comes to the Democratic or
the Republican Party. Because I in my fifty seven years
of Super Bowls and almost forty some of thirty something presidents,
I believe I've never seen a white man, oh pressor

(41:54):
please don't narrows down to skin. My grandmother was full
al minor, but I've never seen a white man that
wasn't the devil at that high level, whether it be Biden,
whether it be Reagan Bush, a black politician. You cannot
be a part of that fraternal order or that new
world order if you don't have blood on your hand
and realize that you're part of that principality that's part

(42:17):
of that wickedness and spiritual places and high places. It's
really that simple. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to see that we're under the regime of not
only mister Trump, but his whole regime of Caucasian people
who think like him and want to refers our charges
as if we were calling collectors, say that we're the racist,
but actually we're just the victims of racism.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
All right, sticks away from the top, thank you question,
and let me shout out our teachers who are on
the way to school this morning, gone the way to work,
always doing a good job working with our young people.
But for the teachers and for the for the parents, Melik,
what are some telltale signs that you can share with
them that that children maybe slipping into the gang world,

(43:02):
You know it maybe change of color or even tax
or hairstyle or mannerisms. Is there any any thing that
you can share with us that you know you could
help these parents and the teachers as well understand what
somebody young people are going through and what and the
changes that may see in their behavior.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Well, the first thing that I can offer to that
question is any event that any state, city, region, or
location or institution that would like to have my assistance
come and speak to your students or some group of
people that may benefit from the experiences that I've had
and the things that I've learned off the Carl Nelson Show,
feel free to reach out. When it comes to tell

(43:43):
tale signs. You know, everything is a meta, is a metaphor,
everything has a transformation. And when you see the innocence
of your child getting to the point of maturity or
to the point of puberty, should I say then you
have to pay attention to the hats that they wear,
the tattoos that they want to get. Definitely the people

(44:05):
they hang around. Because most parents are like, oh, she's
with Kathy, and Kathy's cool, and Kathy has great parents
and they live in a suburban neighborhood. But Kathy and
them are out practicing gay sex with one another against
your will. Kathy and them is out drinking syrup in
a cup against your will. The prettiest girl in your house,

(44:26):
and I hate to say it, and the one that's
the most innocent and the most protected, nine times out
of ten, she's into some really interesting activity on the streets,
even domestic violence, getting pimpon. You know, she's coming up
with money that she shouldn't have. She's not listening to me.
Just once your kids stop having the innocence of listening
to their children, then they got somebody else in their air, pimp,

(44:49):
a gang member, another distraught child, things of that nature.
So you be careful with your daughter, and especially with
young black girls, because a lot of black girls that
I have encountered, I had three on my case. There
were three Spanish girls. I had three bike girls on
another situation. It's case matched. But the three Spanish girls
I had on my case bloat. All three of them

(45:09):
had three murders apiece. And they were like thirteen and
fourteen years old. And I would come to talk to
them and stuff, and they be like, oh, how you doing,
doctor Spellman, and how's your day? But they playing video
games as if nothing never happened, as if it was
just another day at the park. And I'm like, combined
you all that nine murders and then a couple of
her sex offenders. These are miners. So when your daughter

(45:31):
come home with that stupid cut brad cut shirt on
and them stupid clothes that's too revealing, or she goes
to school and the clothes you put on what you're
looking a drawing those clothes that you shouldn't have on,
or your clothes are gone, or if you start wearing
those stupid eyelashes that look like spiderwebs with that ridiculous
shower bag on their head. Shit, IM to have a

(45:51):
talk with her because the average.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
One hole I thought right there, movie was I was
drawing a vision on what you're just saying. Away from
the top of that, We've gotta check the traffic weather
in our different cities. I come back and that you
finish your thought. Family, you want to join this conversation
with e Leak Spellman. He's a gang interventionist. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six and will take a calls after the

(46:13):
traffic weather that's next. And he's a gang interventionist. He's
a media specialist and what he does he's reports on
what's going on with our brothers. And sisters inside and
out the prison system and has worked on all levels,
all platforms, different platforms of media, and this is what
he does. This is the spotlight before he was telling
us about the young women who are joining gangs. When
you come in and that you finished give us some

(46:34):
of that description. But are you seeing younger people now
getting involved in the gang lifestyle?

Speaker 5 (46:39):
If so, what age?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Definitely, because there's not only just a bunch of young
people getting involved. But I person I only speak on
my own personal experience, oh downs, but the large group
of young people who are mentally ill or should I
say on the short bus handicap, that are throwing up

(47:04):
gang signs, that are joining gangs because they're vulnerable. We
can't forget about the disabled community. They're they're more gullible
than anything in regards to being recruited because of the
lack of love that they get wherever they're at. And
then you have a situation where you have to pay
attention because a lot of our young boys and listen

(47:24):
to the parents out there, you know, sit down with
your son or daughter one day and see how well
they read and do maths, but simple stuff that'll give
you an idea as gauge. They'll let you gauge how
far they've gone and what they're doing in school, because
a lot of these kids are carrying backpacks and they're
not necessarily having guns in them, but they don't have

(47:46):
their hands in them getting any books out. And what
are you doing with a hoody on in ninety degree
weather with a backpack on the weekend? What are you
doing with that? And who are you hanging around? And
what type of music are you listening to? That's very important.
They may be listening to drill music. They may be
listening to torque music, which leads to prostitution. So you
have to look at the frame of your child from

(48:09):
what you've made and what you intend to deal in
order to facilitate with direction your child is going in
most instances, and no pun intended, and it's just a
private conversation between us as family. But the mothers have
given up, They have lost all hope. The child is
running the household, and they have lost all hope on

(48:30):
their children, and they already have a deep vision of
where their child's going to be in the next four
or five years. So you have to keep all these
things in mind when you're dealing with with these because
a lot of black girls that I know of have
never had matching draws and pandies and things of that nature,
you know, and we have to make sure that we
get that fresh sheets. And a lot of the little

(48:52):
boys that are going to school but get in troubles
because they can't read or write, they're not prepared the
night before and they just don't have the and there's
mostly sneakers shoes. If the little boys shoes ain't ready,
becomes the bully, he becomes a thieves to drug dealer
and nine times out of and he's probably the smartest
kid in the class, but he has to defend his

(49:13):
honor because we are brought up in the material world
and unfortunately, people like Michael Jordan don't provide free shoes.
That's why we attempted to boycott Nike because all the
bodies of the young people that I stood over in
many years, about of them had a Nike. Even they
had a Nike from dying and trying to get.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
It or die with it on.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Let me ask you this before we let you go,
though before after the top they out because you're talking
about the music, the influence and the music on our
young people. You've worked with all and found just and
Malika's working with all the major rappers. We could name
drop him if you want up, I let him that
if he wants to do that, if any of them
come back to the Inner City and say, hey, I
want to help some of these brothers, or once they're

(49:55):
made you they just moved out.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Call that's a rhetorical question, and it would be more
of an indictment as opposed to enlightenment if I answered
the way that I want to. But for the most part,
I think Nipsey Hustle was probably the beginning and the
end of that. And the reason that I say that

(50:20):
is because he was a direct fabric of our community.
So a lot of times, you know, you see people
that do come back, like young dolls or people of
that nature, they get murdered in the streets. So anybody
that attempts to come back, they're handlers. They're not allowed
to come back. Like I used to talk to Don
Carnes and he throw us a couple of dollars for
the gang truth mister Carne's we went back once. The

(50:44):
second time he's like, yeah, I can't help you out,
Malie because the white people, meaning the oppressors or those
who don't believe in the unification of human beings, said
that if I help you that they'll cut us off.
So the unification of youth in the streets is very important.
That's why they had to vilify everything. Now everybody's on
the same status as a Venezuelian gang member, because the

(51:05):
word gang is the opportune word that you put on
the check and on to facilitate getting the money to
get more guns, more prisons, and the more graveyard sits
for your youth. You guys better take this thing serious.
I've been to three hundred and fifty gang related scenerals.
I've been in funerals and they've had shootouts in the
caskets and whatever kicked over. You better get hold of

(51:28):
your children immediately. If you have daughters, take that damn
shower bag off of her head, and then pajama pants
and then shoes, and teach her to be a lady.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Thanks for the advice, brother Lak. Before we'll let you go,
how can folks reach you if they want to help you,
because they you basically just a one man army just
fighting just to help out young people.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I got to call Knowlson show backing me up with
his audience. But that's all due respect. You want to
find me, call for me to help you with your children,
even if you have to get him on the phone,
zoom chat slide to where you are, especially Baltimore and
those schools like that. I would love to come and help.
On the contrary, you have to do pretty much like

(52:14):
that commercial that you show where they're making mentor businesspeople
with other mentors. He has to take these children in
inner city and put them with a Carl Nelson, put
them with a doctor doctor Black, put them on a
trash truck. Do because when we were growing up, they
taught us trades in school. That's why the Hispanic kids
are getting there because when they when they parents grew up,
they had trades. So they took the trades out of

(52:34):
school and put the dope into schools.

Speaker 9 (52:36):
They put the.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Bands and stuff out of school, and they put the
recruiting offices and the gang members on campus. And one
last thing, Carl shout out to mister Andrew Young because
that man attempted to send my daughter who was poor,
to in college, and he first helped her up to
go to Clark and then her mom tripped out or whatever,
you know, because she still has PTSD from being in

(52:59):
the America. And he was going to center the Spellman.
So shout out to mister Andrew Young.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
That is a real man.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Him and his wife A man's tentacles is in the
deepest part of the inner city. And I'm a friend
of Mary and Snail, So shout out to him.

Speaker 8 (53:14):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
He really tried to take my daughter from Compton and
went downtown, went downtown that laid to the Barnaventure with
his family to meet her, and my kid's mother would
never show up. But tell him, I said, thank you,
and know that a journey of a million mile will call.
They don't begin with one step, it begins with one fault.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, well do he scheduled to be with us later
this morning. Thank you, Milaco, and thank you for the
work that you do, brother, and thank you for you
have not never given up. You're still there. You know,
all these decades you've been fighting to help our people
inside and out, and for most of the creative they
just ignore them. You know, they're our family. We're still
family just because you know the inside they need help.

(53:54):
You know, they made a mistake and got involved in
some other issues. But they're still family. There's still us,
it's still part of the tribe. So we've got we've
got to help them. And I thank you for always
always shining the spotlight on their issues.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (54:08):
Man.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
And in the words of Tupac Recorps, when they turn
out the lights, I'll be there in the dark, all right.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Thanks blik ten.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
After the top of our family, it's bringing our next guest,
attorney Fel Mitchell, who's joining us, a grand rising attorney Mitchell.
Welcome to the program.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
Thank you. Hello, Yes, you're on the air, honey, the air, Okay,
good morning, thank you.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Yes you are there.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
You know for the first time you've been on this program.
I know you've been on the air on this particular station,
on w L. I don't know if you've been on WLB,
but on w L or the other platforms. Just give
us a little a bit of your background. How you
became a lawyer. Why did you decide that you want
to become an attorney?

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Oh, my goodness, gracious. When I was I went to
Sister University, Okay, a national Tennessee And when I was
graduating from college. I didn't know what I wanted to do.
I had no idea, And so in those days, they
were looking for black people to go to law school
to jobs all over the place. And my advisor, my

(55:18):
major advisor, mister Courier, had an end with Harvard, Yale
and Columbia Law School, and they got us into. They
got me into. Harvard had a summer program at the
law school where they brought about thirty black students from
what we now call HBCUs to Harvard for the summer,

(55:40):
and the law school not only taught us classes, but
they had dinners like once a week with prominent lawyers
to teach us what lawyers did and so on. And
the last dinner was with Thurgood Marshall, and I was like, wow,
this is kind of exciting, you know, like this is
this is something that I could see myself sinking my

(56:03):
teeth into. One of the things I like is to
be able to actually do something. You know, a lot
of people complain, and there's a lot to complain about,
but often lawyers are able to do something.

Speaker 8 (56:16):
At least in theory, and so that that.

Speaker 10 (56:19):
Kind of along with the help that they gaze to
make it easier to get into law school and so forth,
and how I ended up going to Columbia Law School.

Speaker 8 (56:29):
Yeah, yeah, like law school.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
Yeah, you know, it was not.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Did you did you find a challenging at Toorna Mitchell?
You're all of a sudden you're moving from an HBCU
to an Ivy League school? Was was the curriculum challenging for?
You have lost the Tournamentell Kevin, I think a line
may have dropped. Well, see if you can get it
back for us, because we want to talk to her

(56:58):
because now she's working at she's here, she's working his
state planning. And one of the things that we found
out that seventy percent of more than seventy percent of
African Americans don't have a will.

Speaker 10 (57:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
That's why she says the state plans are key. Most
of us don't. And just think back, if you know
when your parents died, where do they leave you? You know,
we go back to the Temptation song. We've talked about
the third of September, all the lefters alone, what do
they leave you? You know? And it's not just as
the extreme as a Temptation song, but because many of

(57:31):
our people don't know just it's not the fact that
they are unwilling. They just don't know about you know,
whether you should go through, how to avoid probate, how
should we go with your assets in your trust. Some
don't have much to leave, but the little they have,
and you know, the government gets it. So this is
where Attorney Ethel Mitchell comes in and she shows you
how to do that. She works with you and sells you,

(57:54):
you know, because you do have something, because you have
something here, because you're living, and you know, try and
leave something for it for your your children. So give
them a leg up at the start. That's what the
other folks do, and and the cycle and they repeat
that cycle over and over. And we're still at the
bottom because we're not we're not part of the game.
You know, our children are still floundering and still trying

(58:14):
to figure out. You know, if parents have died, you
got to pay the baar of them. But if they've
left you even if it's if it's a bicycle, you know,
a car or something whatever they have, or so just
to do it so that the government doesn't get it.
And that's what Fa Mitchell does as an estate planner. Kevin,
do we have a Tournamentchell back with the shit apparently not.

(58:36):
She's gonna explain and she's just going to show us
some of the mistakes and also, you know, the tax
implications as well, because this is estate planning is something
that you know, many of us in our community don't
understand and and it takes a while before we we
figure it out. By the time we figure it out
that they've made new changes they did once, you know,
they always do. They change the goal post whenever we

(58:58):
try to figure out stuff out. They change it when
any of our folks do. And again I say, it's
not that we don't want to do it, it's just
that we don't know and we think it's complicated. And
what Attorney Ethel Mitchell does, she breaks it down for you,
you know, and she'll explain what, you know, the difference
between a will and a trust and some people may
need both, some people may need just need one, and

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it's some people, you know, ideal how it works, and
it depends on the family situation, how the family is
set up. And that's another issue too. You you got
to deal with some of that, some of the people
who may be opposed to what you're doing, and and
and just protect yourself from from the taxis that will
come you know. So, uh, we're having problem get back

(59:40):
with Attorney Mitchell. So hopefully we can get it back.
And so she can she can explain that to us
and break it down to us. I mention she she
does a program show on this on w O L
and uh she and that's what she does and serves
out people. So if you got questions about whether or
not you should you know, you're considering, especially those of
a certain age, whether you whether you have a will

(01:00:01):
or you should have a trust. And there are different
kinds of trusts as well. She'll break that down what
kind of trustee you should you should have and what
works for you. And again it's all individualistically. You know,
how the family's set up, and you know, sometimes you're
going through things some people, you know, some people out
there who were not.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Speaking to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
This is all Oh, she's back, all right, council.

Speaker 10 (01:00:24):
Yes, thank you, thank you, Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
So we're saying that more than seventy percent of African
Americas don't have wills. Wow, that's astounding.

Speaker 10 (01:00:35):
That is unfortunately true. But what you should know also
is that almost seventy percent of all people don't have wills.
It's not just African Americans. We have a tendency to
kind of beat upon ourselves. But wealthy people have wills.
Trust me, Okay. People are trying to make and establish

(01:00:56):
into generational wealth have wills and trusts, and they take
care of their deeds, and they take care of their
money and make sure their children are going to get
it in the most cost effective way with the least
amount of taxes and so on, and so we are
losing literally hundreds of millions of dollars every year, hundreds

(01:01:17):
of millions of dollars in real estate every year because
our parents are dying without wills, without wills and trusts.
It's a shame because this is the largest transfer of
wealth in history is going on right now, right now. Well,
let me answer you this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
We would come up on a break and when we
come back, I'll let you respond. I'll ask you a
question now, I'll let you respond when we get back
from the breakdown. How difficult is to have that conversation
with grandparents or parents about you? Should you? How do
you approach that? You know that you guys have a will?
Do you have a trust? If you understand what's going on.
Explain that when we get back. How do you have

(01:01:57):
that conversation because people, you know, people don't want to
have those kind of talk because you're talking about finality,
You're talking about the end. So help us out with
their counselor I'll let you do that when we get back.
Sixteen after Top Down Family, we got to step aside
for a few moments. We come back Atturny Ethel Michie.
If you've got a question about whether you need a
will or you need a trust or a different kind
of trust, she'll explain it to you. All you have

(01:02:17):
to do is reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy Sision ticket phone calls.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Next. Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Hello, Hello.

Speaker 11 (01:02:47):
And grind rising family. Thanks for starting your Tuesday with us.
Just twenty minutes after the top of the hour. Guest
is Attorney Ethel Mitchell, and she's a state attorney and
that's what she does, you know, so estate planning or
Tony Ritchell. Before we left for the break, my question
to you is, how did you have that conversation? You know,
the conversation I'm talking about whether you can be a

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child with a parent and you're talking about because it's
it's about end of life. So help us out here.
How did you get that conversation to ask them?

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
Do you have a will?

Speaker 11 (01:03:17):
Should you create a will? May think that you're trying
to grab a money grab or something.

Speaker 8 (01:03:22):
How do you deal with that?

Speaker 10 (01:03:24):
Well, there's several approaches you can take. One. You can
blame the lawyer that you heard on the radio and say, ma,
I heard the lawyer on the radio and she said
that you need to have a will if I'm going
to help you or I'm going to get your property.
That's one way to do it. Another way to do it, though,
is also to say do you want me to take

(01:03:46):
care of you? Because it's not just a will? Okay, Carl,
let me explain something. You need at least a will,
a power of attorney, and a medical directive. Okay, at
the very least. Those are three documents every adult needs
to have because you need somebody to take care of
you when you get sick. You need somebody to manage
your money while you're alive when you get sick, and

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you also need to distribute and to control how your
assets are going to be distributed after your debt. So
you can point to other people maybe you know in
your family, or you've seen on TV where people have
lost homes you know, because they didn't have a will,

(01:04:30):
where people have had to go into the courts and
strangers taking over their property because they didn't have a
power of attorney, you can tell you can tell them
true stories of people who are really distraught, not just distraught,
but strangers actually come in take over. The court appoints

(01:04:53):
a lawyer who you don't know, doesn't know your family,
and they literally take all of your money and put
them in a conservativeship account. All of your private business
that you're trying to hide from the family becomes public
because there has to be a public accounting of all
of your money once the court gets involved and the

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family loses control. So if you because you know your family,
you know who's good with money, you know who's not,
You know who you can trust, and you know who's not,
you are responsible for appointing people who are really going
to be honest and be in your best interests while

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you're alive, as well as making sure that the law
is on your side when it comes to having a
written will. Or trust that says, this is who I
want to get my stuff, this is who I want
to be in charge, and these are the conditions under
which they are to be received. You have to open

(01:05:59):
that conversation. We have to start having that conversation, and
you have to say to them, you know, look, mom,
look dead, look whoever it is. If you want me
to get your house, or if you want me to
be able to help you when you get sick, you
have got to get a lawyer to put it all

(01:06:21):
in writing. That's one. That's some of the ways in
which you can bring it up. You know you can.
You can point to people in your neighborhood or in
the family who've lost property because they died without a will,
nobody paid the taxes. There are all kinds of ways
of appealing to their sense of pride, appealing to their

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sense of family, appealing to their sense of orderliness if
they go to church. The biblical things that people can
cite to that say you're supposed to take care of
what God has given you and your family. Those are
all different kinds of ways of approtein at Yes, well,

(01:07:06):
let me bring this.

Speaker 11 (01:07:06):
Up a counselor, and this is the real story here
because I got a friend of mine and he was
over the weekend and we're having a conversation. Is having
promise with his sister as parents died and he's in charge,
left him in charge. He's paying all the bills.

Speaker 9 (01:07:19):
She refused to.

Speaker 11 (01:07:20):
Pay any of the bills and even the utilities he's paying,
and he says, the only option I have is to
take her to court. But he says, I know that
would kill my parents, even though they're not here, and
but she just refuses to do anything. So how do
you deal with the situation like that? And I hope
he's listening. Does he take his sister to court? Or
does you know because she refuses to even have a conversation,

(01:07:43):
can't force it to pay the taxes or she won't
even pay the utilities on the house on the family
house that she's.

Speaker 10 (01:07:52):
Okay. A lot of it depends on whether the authority
of the brother in this instance was established by the
parents from the get go. In other words, if they
had come and they had either a trust or a
will and it says this person is in charge, okay,

(01:08:14):
And if they said the sister has a life estate
where she has a right to live in it, or
if they didn't say that, then she can be put out. Okay,
people can be put out of the house if they
don't contribute, or the house can be sold and whatever
they didn't contribute is deduct it's from their share when

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it gets to be distributed. Now there are, at least
in DC. I know there's some mediation situations where I've
sent clients to where it's brother and sister fighting like that.
The district court probate judge. I remember I had to
be I was on the phone with them and because

(01:08:57):
it was during COVID, but the judge was willing to
try to mediate between the brother and sister. If they
can get them together, that's another approach that you might
be able to use. But bottom line, straight line, if
they're living in the home and they still won't and
they won't participate, you may have to take him the court.

(01:09:18):
You may, you may.

Speaker 11 (01:09:21):
And that's what he's concerned with because you know his
parents wouldn't have liked that. So he's been trying for
like three years now to talk some sense into his sister.
But here's another issue I want to ask you about.
I hope he's listened. I got these are my friends.
I'm talking telling their business on the radio. Tony Mitchell. Uh,
he's he wants to leave his the estate or his

(01:09:43):
home and his stuff to one of his to one
of his sons.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
But his sons.

Speaker 11 (01:09:48):
This is real talk here. His son is dating reading
out of the race, and he feels like he should
not leave him anything if he marries marries this other
woman who was a different race. You know, he's showing
my hardcore black black nationalist static.

Speaker 10 (01:10:05):
Yeah, yeah, you have to do that, can you do
Can you do it?

Speaker 14 (01:10:10):
Absolutely? But he's got to do it in writing.

Speaker 10 (01:10:13):
Absolutely. One of the beauties of ownership is that you
set the rules. When you own something, you can set
the rule, and the rule can say if you don't
if you do this, then you don't get this. Okay, Yes,
the answer to that is yes. But you've got to
put it in writing. You have to have a lawyer

(01:10:34):
to say so, and you have to have some enforcement
in there as to what happens if you do do
these things.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
You see what I mean?

Speaker 10 (01:10:43):
So yeah, no, no, you can say it for race.
You can say it for religion. You know, there have
been all kinds of cases about where if you you
join a particular religion or you don't follow a particular religion.
You know you can, you can be be punished, be punished.
Another one that is actually kind of is if you

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go to jail, you lose something, Okay, a lot of
several of my clients. And on the flip side, I've
had trust that I've done for people where the child
is in jail already okay, and the mother is trying
to prepare. If she did when he comes out, I

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did want, I'll never forget. We provided because she had
a lot of money. She provided that one of the
younger members of the family, who was about the age
of her son, would be his trustee. And that's one
of the beauties of a trust. It goes on after
you die. And when he got out of jail, this
person was to meet him, to use the money to

(01:11:50):
buy him clothing, an apartment, get it rented, and then
to take give him an allowance, and then to provide
for him to get training whatever contraining he wanted, you know,
whether it was college, trade, whatever it was. And if
after a number of years, two or three years, he
stayed out of jail and he stayed away from drugs,

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then he was to get access to quite a lot
of money that she had left for him. But if
he went back in jail or he went back on drugs,
he was to lose it all and it went somewhere else.
So you can use the carrot and the stick. You
can use You can definitely use the carrot and the
stick with your state planning. You it's your stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
You.

Speaker 10 (01:12:36):
You can set the rules absolutely, you can.

Speaker 11 (01:12:39):
Take Thirty minutes after the top of our family just
joined us, Attorney Ethel Mitchell's our guests turn about his
state planning here and Charles, a third is called from Washington,
DC's online one. He has a question for you, Grand Rising.
Charles are on with Attorney Ethel Mitchell.

Speaker 15 (01:12:54):
Hotel Brother Carl, and thanks for taking my call. I
have two questions for Attorney Mitchell, one more specific than
a more general one. This more specific one is that
when setting up a trust and you name your trustees,
I recently had an attorney asking me to appoint a

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trustee proctor. Why would someone who trusts their trustees want
to ask a proctor? He is in Paul roct R
trustee proctor.

Speaker 10 (01:13:31):
I don't know what that is. I'll be honest with
you if you're thinking if he meant a protector, it
might have been a trust protector. I'm not familiar with
a trust proctor. I'm not heard of that, honestly.

Speaker 15 (01:13:46):
Okay, okay, okay. So the second question is Carl had
a doctor Bowles on earlier last week's Brother and she
mentioned part of the reluctance for black fols getting trust
and wills done? Is there concern because there are people
out here who will take advantage of black folks. So

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you go in and get your will and trust, and
then you find out the attorney is possible even though
you have your trustees and who you want to leave,
they put in lines that gives them the actual say
in your doing. For example, they can put in a
clause saying that they can remove a trustee with or

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without cause, and then basically.

Speaker 8 (01:14:34):
They have it.

Speaker 15 (01:14:35):
So can you talk about how we should handle those
who don't have our interests at heart when we do
try to seek out wills and the importance of reading
every line of even what the attorney prepares. And I'll
take their response off the air.

Speaker 10 (01:14:53):
Things I would suggest, Number one, that you.

Speaker 14 (01:15:00):
Follow up with ask other.

Speaker 10 (01:15:03):
People who have used different attorneys Okay, who do they trust?
They who do they feel comfortable with? What was the
result of their interaction with that attorney? Okay, there is
not I don't say don't read every line, but trust
are like fifty and sixty and seventy pages long, and

(01:15:26):
so for a lay person to have to be responsible
for reading and understanding all of those lines, I'm not
going to put that kind of weight on anybody. Okay.
We go to school a long time and we are
still taking courses. I'm constantly taking courses and learning more
about the law. So I don't want you to feel

(01:15:48):
like you have to know everything in every line of
every trust.

Speaker 8 (01:15:55):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:15:56):
What's most important is that you have a law that
you feel your family or your friends or people who
have recommended them feel comfortable with and trust that person, Okay,
to do within your best interests. A lawyer should not
be a part of your I mean it should not

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be written into your estate plan unless they have asked
and you have consented to it. Now, we don't do that,
We don't act as trustee and so on. But there
are some companies that do that, and they do it
because in many instances, people don't have anybody that they
can rely on to play those roles. But that is

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very rare in I mean, when you have a lot
of money, they're trust companies that can act as trustees.
But I would be I have not run into. Maybe
years ago, there were cases that I remember hearing about
where lawyers kind of wrote themselves in where people had

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to come back to them to serve as trustee and
so forth. But we don't do that. You want to
be careful with that you do, but you have to
trust somebody, and you want to be able to trust.

Speaker 8 (01:17:15):
Whoever it is that you're going.

Speaker 10 (01:17:17):
It's better to have something than to have nothing. Trust me,
it really is. It's better to have a well, I
shouldn't say anything. It's better to have a will than
not to have a will. It's better to have a
trust or a will.

Speaker 8 (01:17:30):
It is.

Speaker 10 (01:17:31):
It's it's important. You cannot believe the amount of money
that is wasted and time that is wasted because people
have not gotten these documents done.

Speaker 11 (01:17:47):
Some more folks who want to talk to you, got
questions for you, sure wasted on the top of your house.
Sita's sister Sata's checking in from La. She's online for
grand Rise and sister Serita, you're only attorney Mitchell.

Speaker 14 (01:17:59):
Yes, good morning. My question to you is when when
my mother slash grandmother died, she left a house and
she legally adopted me, so it is only two of

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her bio kids, so my father, all of them are gone,
so two of her bio children are here and then
it's me. When she died in twenty ten, we didn't
transfer anything over it. It was arguments of you know,
let's get the house done. Let's get it. And there

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were several siblings at the time that were still living
saying I'm not signing nothing, signing nothing, finding nothing. Well,
now it's down to the two that are alive and myself,
and so I spoke to my Well, I did a
I looked it up. It's in the state of Louisiana.
I looked it up. Uh huh, yes, ma'am. And it's

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still in her name. However, they showed a man named
Anthony Brown, and I'm like, who, So I call my
aunt because she's the one. Uh she the one lives
in the house. So I called her and I said, hey,
you know who is Anthony Brown? Like do you know
this person? This, that, and the other? And she was
like no, she said, actually two male pieces came here

(01:19:25):
for him, and I'm like, don't know Anthony Brown lived there, this,
that and the other. So I spoke to the uh
the people that works at the one who gets at
the courthouse, and they said, no, it's still in her name.
All you guys have to do that. She went on
to tell me, you know, get an attorney and do

(01:19:49):
the transfer over to all three of y'all y'all's names.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
You know, old that story right there, Sister Serena said,
the short break here, when we come back, I'll let
you finish your story.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
Family.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I guess it's Attorney Ethel Mitchell. We got a question,
a legal question about estates. Reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll taket phone calls after the news.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
That's next and.

Speaker 11 (01:20:09):
Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this
Tuesday morning, fifteen minutes away from the top of that.
Our guess Attorney fel Mitchell. She's a real estate state
planning councilor and attorney. Before we go back to her
and sisters three to calling from Los Angeles, let me
just remind you come up later this morning, you're gonna
hear from award winning economist doctor Julian Malvaul. She's going
to explain if we are in a recession or on

(01:20:29):
the brink of a recession. And following doctor Julian Malvaux,
we're gonna hear from some of our civil rights heres,
doctor Paul Smith and Bastad Andrew Young. They had to
discuss that Donald Trump's moved to put the troops on
the streets of Chicago. And coming up later this week,
you're gonna hear from Roudism and book A Muhammad. Also
a funny man, guy Tory is going to be here,
and also the master teach himself, brother Ashawa Quasi. So

(01:20:51):
if you are in Bolton, I'll make sure you Radil
is locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if
you're in the DMV though or on FM ninety five
point nine at am fourteen fifties w L. All right, sister,
finish your question for attorney this for first.

Speaker 14 (01:21:08):
Yes, So my question to you is as I said,
some random and I asked my aunt does she know
who this Anthony Brown is? Mind you? My aunt's maiden
name is Brown, and so our last.

Speaker 10 (01:21:20):
Names miss Missta let me let me interrupt you a
little bit just because of number one. Thank you so
much for calling. Because this is such a common problem
in our community. It is the reason why I say
to people, make sure your grandparents and your parents have wills,
because this is exactly what happens when they die without

(01:21:42):
a will. Number one. Whenever somebody dies that owns a home,
the family's first well after barron them, of course, and
be respectful. But the family, whoever that family is, needs
to immediately get a lawyer and find out what do
they have to do to get the ownership of that

(01:22:05):
home out of the name of the deceased person into
the names of the persons who are alive, whoever they
may be. And the law is very clear about who inherits.
When somebody dies without a will, the law takes over
at that point. If you don't take care of it yourself,
and you own property, then the law will take care

(01:22:27):
of it. And the reason why you heard me hm
when you said Louisiana is because I was raised in Louisiana,
and Louisiana is the only state in the Union where
they's based on French law. It is not based on
English law, So you have got to get a lawyer
in Louisiana to solve this for you. It may not

(01:22:51):
be that whoever is still surviving are going to be
the heirs. It may be that the heirs of those
who have died since your grandmother died, we'll also inherit
with you. But you've got to act on it right away.
And this is something our families don't do. We tend

(01:23:11):
to wait for years and expect that whoever's living in
it will take care of it, you know, and you know,
people die and so on. It doesn't always work the
way you think it works. And Carl asked, and it
was a great question. How do we approach our families
about this. Give them these examples, look and see what

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happens when you die without a will. You know, you
can even say to them, I don't want it. I
just don't want it to go to the taxman. I
don't want a stranger to come in and take advantage
of it. And now there's a stranger living in your
house and your grandchildren are on the street. So I'm
sorry I interrupted you a little bit.

Speaker 14 (01:23:54):
But okay, I'm momment.

Speaker 10 (01:23:58):
This is so common in our community and we just
have to stop it. We can't blame anybody else for this.
You have to say you are responsible. If they don't
do it, then we're gonna be You're you're behind the
eight ball.

Speaker 14 (01:24:12):
Now, Yes we are doing yeah, yes, yes, ma'am, we are.
That is so true. The the living people who are
a part of this one is eighty five is my aunt,
and then the other aunt is eighty three, and then
of course myself. And so one of the aunts who

(01:24:35):
owns properties, she like, I'm not interested, you know, you
and the other aunt can just deal with it. The
aunt that lives in it has you know, has said, hey,
it needs renovating.

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
This, that and the other.

Speaker 14 (01:24:49):
And of course we told her no because you know,
because of the history of her that you know, of
her background or whatever. And but now we're like, okay, myself,
I'm like, this needs to be taken care of. So
when I talked to the State of Louisiana, they were saying, oh, yes,
you do need an attorney, but yes you do, and yes, ma'am,

(01:25:14):
and that you need to. It's still in her name,
my mom's name. But we need to rectify this situation
because now there's these these people names and mail come
into the house, and so we're trying to figure I'm
trying to figure that out. But what you've told me,
I do understand the person that owned the property. I

(01:25:37):
was born in nineteen eighteen, and so she she didn't
she didn't do anything that could protect you know, her property.
It was just basically.

Speaker 10 (01:25:49):
You know here, and that's it.

Speaker 14 (01:25:51):
Once she passed and that's that was it in all.
But I'm glad I spoke to you today because it
makes me know definitely comprehend even more so that I
need to get on it immediately.

Speaker 10 (01:26:04):
And so yeah, yeah, And Carl asked me, you know
what can how can you approach your elders about this?
This is a good example of saying to your elders,
this is the kind of thing that happens when you
die without a will. This is the kind of thing
that happens when you die without a will. And what's

(01:26:28):
very sad is that even if you don't want to
live in the house, you know what I mean, Even
if you live in California, this is in Louisiana. Even
if those if you want your grandchild to have this house,
do a will that says this belongs to my grandchild,
and then after my my whoever it is, dies, You

(01:26:49):
can even do leave a life estate for somebody who's
always lived there. Then my grandchild can sell it and
get the money to buy herself another house or send
her kids to college. You see what I mean by
by making it clear what can be done or who's
to get it, Then you empower that person to control

(01:27:12):
the ultimate distribution, and you put them responsible for paying
the taxes? Is he? But you've got to do it
in writing, and you've got to do it in a
legally enforceable way. You really do, Yeah, thank you, thank you.
It's so common.

Speaker 11 (01:27:32):
Yeah, all right, yes, the reader and good dog a counsel.
Let me ask you this though in her case, you
just found out there's another name attached to the deed
or whatever it is that the county keeps their records,
certain counties if if there's an alteration to the deed,
they send you email or text you. You know, so
and so, did you change your deed because it's somebody's

(01:27:54):
file that is that is that nationwide? Is that a
federal law?

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Is it?

Speaker 11 (01:27:59):
Or or a county regulation?

Speaker 8 (01:28:02):
Do you know?

Speaker 10 (01:28:04):
No, you're responsible for keeping up with your own deed.
You're the one that's responsible. You can't put that on
the county. If you know that you're a grandparent or
you're supposed to own something, then if you don't get
a tax bill that year, because if you own proper,
you go and get a tax bill. Right, if you
go a year and you don't have a tax bill,

(01:28:25):
you need to check and find out what's happening. Why
didn't I get a tax bill? What is the change
that's been taking place?

Speaker 11 (01:28:33):
You see, that's not what we're going to jump in
one after this the council. What if somebody files a
lean against the house and it's attached there and you
don't know, and all of a sudden you get to
the point where you're trying to sell the house and
his lawyers got a couple of leaves on it. Do
you have to periodically be checking go to the county.
You can do it online and do it that way.

Speaker 10 (01:28:55):
Yes, yes, Well that's you bring a really good point there.
Most records of houses, you know, tight we call it
title deeds are public records. All of them are public records.

Speaker 8 (01:29:08):
Okay, all of.

Speaker 10 (01:29:08):
Them are, and in most states there are online. So
I recommend that everybody check their deed, call the county
clerk and they can walk you through the process of
finding your property online. And every year you should be
just checking it, just see if it's still there. But

(01:29:31):
you are responsible for that. That's nobody else's responsibility. Okay,
it really is steeks away for the council.

Speaker 11 (01:29:40):
Let me ask you this. What is the difference though,
between the frontabail. The difference between a will and a trust.

Speaker 10 (01:29:46):
Huge difference. Number one. A trust begins to take effect
while you are alive, and it continues after you die.
You can say, like, a trust doesn't die. A trust
say when I die, so and so is going to
be who you name is going to be in charge,
and this is what I want to have happened. Not

(01:30:07):
only does it not die when you die, but it
can if it's done properly, inflected, properly, can control the
distribution of property without having to go to court. A
will doesn't take effect until somebody dies, and a will
has to be approved by a court. It has to

(01:30:28):
be submitted to court, and it has to be authorized
to be effected by a court. Okay, a will is
not self effectuating. In other words, you have a will,
you follow it in court. The court has to approve it.
They name whoever you say, as a personal representative or executor,

(01:30:50):
and then that person is responsible for marshaling all of
your assets and distributing them in most cases is after
doing an accounting, you know, to the court that has
to be approved and so forth. Virginia is a little
different in that you can file a will as a deed,

(01:31:11):
almost like a deed at least, but in most other
states the will is effective after you die and it
has to be administered by you know, whoever you've said.
A trust has to be done properly, and it has
to be funded, but you don't have to go to
court to get things done. It's it's and a trust

(01:31:34):
can continue for several generations. That's another beauty of the
trust as well.

Speaker 12 (01:31:41):
The hold.

Speaker 11 (01:31:41):
That's all right there. We've got to get caught up
annihilator's traffic and weather when we come back, though. Too
high profile deaths is prince and Aretha Franklin and Princeville Aretha.
They said they keep finding wills that you know, dudes,
you know, a couch somewhere, but you said, do all
the wheels and maybe maybe be a state there do
all the wheels have to be have to be filed

(01:32:04):
with the court, And now let you respond to that
when we get back. We've got to take the traffic
weather out different cities. Family, you want to join this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Will take the calls after
the traffic and weather that's mixed and grand Rising family,
it's actually rolling with us on this Tuesday morning here
on the ninth day of September twenty twenty five. I
guess there's attorney Ethel Mitchell and Momentel. We're going to

(01:32:25):
speak with doctor Julian Malfo. But at tournamentual My question
to you about the wheels, and I recall with the
Retha Frankendein there was one whill and that was submitted
that somebody else found another wheel, and then there's somebody
found one who's in the couch somewhere. Do all the
wheels have to have but they have to be signed,
they have to be filed with the court. How does
that work?

Speaker 10 (01:32:47):
Well, I don't know the details of a retail situation
except what you know eay year on the news and
so on. And on totally want to. I won't speak
directly to her, but I guess it is such a
it's such a shame that somebody who had so much

(01:33:08):
did not have the proper estate planning. I mean, just
think about it. Think about the school of music that
could have been named for her, had been financed by her,
and still her family would have been well taken care of.
You know, I just want to Not all of us

(01:33:28):
have that kind of money. Certainly we don't have that
kind of talent. But when a person has anything that
they can give to benefit somebody else, whether it's their
family or charity. I have a client right now who
just died and years ago I did her trust. Okay,

(01:33:48):
she is leaving over a million dollars for scholarships to
an institution that she loves and that she wants to support.
This is a black woman.

Speaker 8 (01:34:01):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:34:02):
We have the opportunity to do so much with what
we have, and we can't blame anybody from not doing it. Okay,
you can't tell me that Prince is one of the
smartest people in the music industry, and probably he just
thought he wasn't time for him to die yet, you know,

(01:34:24):
And that's why I keep telling people, do estate plan
at whatever age you're at, because young people die too.
You can always change it. That's one of the beauties
of a trust or will is you can as long
as you're live and confident, you can go back and
change it.

Speaker 16 (01:34:44):
But at least put something.

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
In place so that the money, the property, the resources
that you have accumulated in your lifetime will go to
benefit whoever you want. Whoever. It's up to you how
you want it to go, but at least control it.
Control it. Get a good estate planning lawyer and have

(01:35:09):
those documents done, and then go back and review it
from time to time. Life happens, you know, change it,
but a lot. That's where we say, so much money
is being lost and wasted in our community, and if
nobody's sought but our own, we really can't blame anybody

(01:35:32):
else for their not being these kinds of documents. This
should become the norm in our community. I mean, our
forefathers couldn't even own any kind of property. You know,
most of us come from families where we were not
even allowed to own property, you know, so you want

(01:35:55):
it should become part of our culture that when you do,
you take care, love that and this is part of
taking care of it.

Speaker 11 (01:36:03):
Gotcha. Five after the tape, Sondra Robinson's checking in from Washington, DC.
She's online one grand Rising, Sandra, You're on with Attorney
Ethel Mitchell.

Speaker 16 (01:36:13):
Grand Rising call, and Attorney Mitchell called. I was seventy
eight years old yesterday and I'm still here. But Attorney Mitchell,
I want to thank you, Attorney Mitchell. I wanted to
say good morning to you because you you have been
on w L for years. You know what, Attorney Mitchell.

(01:36:37):
I have met you because I was a witness to
several of your clients four years ago. Years ago Gameil
gay Nell Howard and John Howard and gay nellone Robinson,
gay Nell Howard was Kathy Hughes, one of Kathy Hughes's girls.

Speaker 10 (01:36:56):
And uh.

Speaker 16 (01:36:58):
And I'm bringing back memory to you. Attorney Mitch.

Speaker 10 (01:37:01):
You are yes, you are yes, you are with on
the You.

Speaker 16 (01:37:05):
Could come on the More Better Man Show with Mary Hall.

Speaker 10 (01:37:09):
Mary. You know you go way back.

Speaker 16 (01:37:14):
Yes, Attorney Mitchell, I still listen to you on Saturday.

Speaker 10 (01:37:21):
Well, thank you, thank you very much. I really appreciate that.
Thank you, Yes, thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:37:28):
Give them your information. Attorney of Mitchell and you all
have a blessed day and be safe.

Speaker 10 (01:37:37):
Thank you. She really does know me from way back, Carl.
I've been on the I was on the More Better
Man Show fourteen fifteen years ago.

Speaker 8 (01:37:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
Wow, you're part of the fabric of WL.

Speaker 10 (01:37:51):
Yeah, yeah, I go way back.

Speaker 11 (01:37:54):
Let me ask you this for the folks who are
listening now, you say the it's easy to get all
this stuff done over afters reach out to you.

Speaker 10 (01:38:05):
Yes, yes, do you mind if I give my phone
number out for the office. Okay, thank you, thank you.
The name of my law office is Wills and Trusts LLC.
You can reach us at eight four four nine five
two nine four five five. We have a very robust website.

(01:38:26):
It's called Wills and Trusts dot net.

Speaker 8 (01:38:29):
It's w I L L S A N D T
R U S T S dot N E T.

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
On that website we have three lawyers. You'll see our pictures,
our bios, and a lot of information of frequently asked questions.
If you go to our services, you'll see we have
pages on what's a will, what's the trust, what's probate?
How do they work? Powell Attorneys? All kinds of questions,

(01:38:58):
and we have the answers right there, and you can
either call us by phone and we offer free consultations,
or you can send us an email from the website
asking for an appointment, and again we'll get back in
touch with you and give you a free consultation and
tell you we need to know a little about you,

(01:39:19):
what you want and so on, and then we can
advise you as to what we would recommend a trust
based plan or will based planned, and we'll take good
care of you.

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
Yes, well, thank you, thank you, and thank you for
joining us this morning.

Speaker 14 (01:39:35):
Yeah, thank you for having me.

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
Yeah, whenever you want me to come back, I'll be
glad to. I'm very passionate about the subject because I
see our people losing the property a lot all over
the country and it's not necessary.

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
Thank you, Thank you turning me che.

Speaker 10 (01:39:54):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Turn after the topic. I was turning our next guest
to award winning economist doctor Malveaux grand Rising. Welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 10 (01:40:04):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
I'm great, and thank you. I apologize for the mix
up with the time, but to help us out here
this morning, because we want to know, doctor Malvaux, are
we in a recession? Are we heading to a recession?
On the brink of a recession. If so, what can
we do to mitigate the effects of a recession?

Speaker 14 (01:40:22):
Resh looking Man Robert Wright are predicting what we call stagflation,
where the economy does not grow what inflation does, and
so that becomes a very challenging time. We've seen this before,
not recently, but in the late seventies under Richard Nixon,

(01:40:49):
and that's when the term was coined. What we are,
what we have to know is because of the economic
uncertainty generated by this president, people don't know what's going on.
So businesses are not ordering. As if we businesses are

(01:41:09):
not ordering, we could period on that business is not
ordering pushes us into a recession because there's less economic growth.
If there are fewer sales in for economic growth. Businesses
who depend on supply from overseas, who to build the

(01:41:30):
international market there, they have enormous uncertainty. Traffs range now
from the low of about ten percent, but that's just
a few too highest fifty percent for India. Those markets
are markets that we do depend on. Now, many people

(01:41:50):
sitting in their homes will say, well, I don't do
international trades, yeah, but you have things that have international components.
Look at the last five or six things that you
bought order from Amazon. If you still do that, and
then you do not boycottle. But if you look look
at where the things came from. Where there's something as

(01:42:11):
small as dish towels to of course electronics. And then
we look at the surface part of it, which says,
well it's manufactured of the United States. Yeah, but where
did the parts come from? And they may have come
from anywhere. We're in a situation where there's just enormous
uncertainty and.

Speaker 10 (01:42:32):
That man.

Speaker 14 (01:42:34):
Doesn't really care about the economy. We also, Carl are
seeing unemployment. Now, people will say, well, it's better, and
it's at four point four percent. It just went up
a tenth of percentage point last report, which was on Friday. However,
the black unemployment rate is seven five point five percent,

(01:42:58):
the whitest three point seven. So back to the two
to one situation, black out employer right twice that of white.
And in addition to that, this economic situation has hurt
black women. We keep hearing the statistics of three hundred
thousand jobs and that's about right. We black women have

(01:43:20):
been very hard hit. In addition of all the goodmographic groups.
You know, white men, white women, black men, black women, Latinos.

Speaker 11 (01:43:32):
Only one why is that though doctor Malvau.

Speaker 14 (01:43:38):
A couple of things. First of all, black women were
highly concentrated in government employment, and the layoffs hit us
harder than any other group. That's number one. Number two,
the cut and attack on DEI programs has had hit
black women hard because we were disproportionately represented in that
kind of employment. So no matter where you turn, black

(01:43:59):
women were being hard hits. We have seen a minor
expansion and hospital employment and we are sometimes found there,
the black women. And then again the third thing, Carl,
is that the resurgence of racism are virulent racism. I'm
okay to attack black people. It's okay to try to

(01:44:21):
erase high history, even though many will say that doesn't
have anything to do with the labor market. It trickles down.
So when people are hiring, managers are making decisions to
equally qualified people, will the black person get it? Probably not,
and if she is a black woman, almost definitely not.

(01:44:42):
The attack on Lisa Cook, the former, the attack on
James in New York, the attack on Karen Baths in
La is all set as up tone, it's okay to
attack black women.

Speaker 11 (01:44:56):
Fortunately have a top ass family. I guess she's doctor
Julian Math. Oh, she's an economy This is mi t trained.
You've seen on TV on the heads of all these
talking head shows, they usually called one of us when
it comes to the economy, and it's usually doctor Malveaux,
So doctor Valvaulx. Was this just by design that the
black women are impacted more than any other group? Or

(01:45:17):
is it just sort of organic?

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
How do you see it?

Speaker 9 (01:45:21):
I think it's a bit of both.

Speaker 8 (01:45:22):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (01:45:23):
The design is you can look at the labor markets
statistics and see who's over or underrepresented somewhere. And we
knew that that black women were overrepresented in DEI, we
knew that black women were overrepresented in federal government employment.

Speaker 10 (01:45:42):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (01:45:42):
So some of them is organic, but it's also by
these times, because why do you go after the places
where a certain population is overrepresented. Now, of course the
Trumpies would say, well, we cut federal government employment because
we said we're going to short government. How's that turning
out for us? Frankly, we just got a statistic that

(01:46:07):
high school students are less prepared now than they've been ever,
that they've ever been again, the woman who was a
Commissioner of Labor Statistics was a guess what, a black woman.
Now that data is coming out more slowly than it
ever did before. She is very expertly managed that commission
on Educational Statistics, and now they're I don't know what's

(01:46:31):
gonna happen, but the data is not coming out the
way that it once was. So these by design and organic,
the combinations, and the fact is that we're all paying
the consequence of some people who are mount indeficient don't
think this matters to them, but what if their child
bes a student loans That area pat processing student loans

(01:46:54):
has been cut drastically. We just go down the list
and see where the shrinking of black women in the
labor market affects everybody.

Speaker 11 (01:47:04):
Well, let me sue of these jobs ever going to
come back, because these sisters are hoping they're getting their
jobs back.

Speaker 14 (01:47:10):
But likelihood is very low. What this president has been
doing is restructuring government. No one seems to want to
stop him. Yeah, so like once you break, you know,
when you break an egg, you can't you can't put
it back together. You know, he was humpty dumpee, you

(01:47:31):
know all the King's forces, all these men put it
back to couldn't put it back together again. We will
see in these four years of trump Ism, we will
see a different kind of government. Already they're talking about
pushing our functions to the states. That means that while

(01:47:52):
you're he says her, federal taxes will go down. I
don't know about that. Pushing state taxes may well go up,
and state government functions will also be curtailed. Now this
is his then redesign. If you read project twenty twenty
five to restruct for government. Now, a democratic president may
come in or democratic Congress may come in and restore

(01:48:14):
some of them.

Speaker 11 (01:48:15):
Hold up, all right there, we gotta step aside real quick.
At doctor Nilevau. When we come back, though, tell us
what sort of advice do you have for these sisters
who lost their jobs?

Speaker 10 (01:48:23):
What should they do now?

Speaker 11 (01:48:25):
Eight hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight to
seventy six? You got a question for our economist, doctor
Julian Malveaux. Reach out to us. We'll take it. Calls
next and Grand rising familyfans, she's a rolling re us.
On this Tuesday morning, this ninth day of September twenty
twenty five. Our guest is award winning the economists that
doctor Julian Malveaux talking about all the jobs that are
lost by sisters, and the question I posted are these

(01:48:46):
jobs coming back? If so, if they're not going back,
what sort of tips can you give these women who've
lost their jobs? Okay, it seems like we've lost doctor Malvaux.
So we'll get Kevin. We'll get it back, and thanks Kevin,
I'll get it back for us because this is interesting
family and one of the other issues too that the
reports show the white men were the ones who gained
jobs as well. I'm just wondering if this is done

(01:49:08):
by accident or you know, it's just the way it
works out, because there's so many variables involved when it
comes to the unemployment issue. And Donald Trump gets the
report before we do. It comes out of the Friday,
the first Friday of the month, and this is in
Wall Street is waiting for these results. But when we
see that it impacts black women more than any other

(01:49:28):
any other group, and that raises the alarm in our community.
That means we've got to do something. We've got to
figure something out. And this is why we have attorney
Julian Malva, and as I mentioned, she's one of our
smartest sisters. Went to MIT. You know, there was not
no DEI. She got into MIT. So she's wanted to
explain what's going on with us. We're going down with
the economy. Also, when to talk to her about about

(01:49:52):
the fans is they're going to cut the interest rates.
So yeah, we're trying to get it back. He is
calling you back, she's texting me kept but yeah, what's
going to happen with the interest rates at their next meeting?
Because then now they think because Donald Trump is you know,
is trying to Donald Trump has been a badger in
the FED to lower interest rates, and now they will

(01:50:14):
because now because the poor jobs report that came out
all the question two A Tria wants to know. He says,
please ask the doctor Malvaux if white women benefit more
from a further reaction and they also lost jobs because
of affirmative actions. So that's another question because we keep
hearing that white women are the ones who gained from
a fervor re action. So if the if that's the case,

(01:50:35):
that how they're not to impacted as much a thesistence.
So that's the question that she can figure out as well.
That's why we got her on this morning, Doctor Julian Malveaux,
so hopefully get her back and she can explain. You
know why disproportionately black women are facing losing their jobs
more than any other group. And some people say, well,
because brothers didn't have jobs in the first place, and

(01:50:56):
that's why the numbers are so low. Then, you know,
all of the jobs that people losing their jobs. One
of the issues is too they lose their jobs, you
have those people who stopped looking for jobs as well,
and they don't figure into they don't get into uh,
they don't figure into the figure the numbers that are
when they're released as well. Dr Malvoli is still with us.

Speaker 14 (01:51:16):
I am we were just connected somehow, but I'm back.

Speaker 11 (01:51:18):
Yeah, okay, So so the question before we left it
was about the sisters. Uh you know, you said, though
basically these jobs aren't coming back. Uh any any tips,
any any advice for these women sisters who've lost their jobs.
What should they do now if these jobs are not
got to come back?

Speaker 14 (01:51:37):
Well, first of all, people should always think about having
multiple income streams, and by that I mean you can't
just rely on the one thing, the one the one job.
So a lot of people planing with they got a
side hustle, they're you know, they're they're doing other things.

Speaker 10 (01:51:59):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (01:52:00):
And we first noticed this resilience, Carl, I mean, well,
black women have always had this resilience, but we first
began to see the way this resilience worked during COVID,
when a lot of people lost jobs, had to figure
out how to worked remotely. And you saw a lot
of ingenuity, just people with just good sense figuring it out.

(01:52:21):
And that good sense is gonna have to come back
and we're gonna have to figure it out again. The
second thing, of course.

Speaker 8 (01:52:26):
Is retraining. You may have to.

Speaker 14 (01:52:32):
Go to do something to get to basically embellish your
resume and to increase your skill set. That's easier said
than done. But community colleges are a great resource. Third,
work your network, I mean work your network. Let people
know you're looking. A lot of people are shy about

(01:52:54):
saying I need help, But this is a time when
our community is going to have to rely on each
other a lot more so. Some sisters who are retired
teachers are teachers who've been laid off or is we
don't have many teachers being laid off, or we do
have some educators being laid off. What can you offer?
What service can you offer that fills a need? I

(01:53:17):
think the basic thing for many of us is what
service can I offer that fills the need? It's not
going to be an easy time at all. We know
what we're up against. But what I'm hearing as I
go to church, as I talk to people in the
same community, Treddie Haynes just threw downs but a sermon

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at Trinity.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Of the Church in Chicago, Jeremiah's.

Speaker 14 (01:53:43):
Old church, he threw that and talks about how when
black women are in pain, we figure out how to
figure it out, and that's easier saying then a start
a group mutual help, but master mind class, so so
ideas around and of course this isn't this isn't going
to pay your bill tomorrow by any stretch of the imagination.

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And for a lot of people, the issue is, you know,
how am I going to pay the next mortgage? How
am I going to pay you know, the next phone bill?
And that that's going to be challenging. But again, we're resourceful.
I don't have a one two three. This is what
you need to do because everybody is different. But I
always to say to so big in big in what

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is it that you can offer to the marketplace? And
everybody has something to offer.

Speaker 11 (01:54:34):
Yeah. Twenty eight after the top down, Dr Malveaux tweeted
says asked, doctor Malvaux if white women benefited more from
affirmative action, have they also lost jobs a lot of
jobs because of it.

Speaker 14 (01:54:48):
White women benefits from affirmative action, but not the same
way as that black women did, and white women have
not lost as many jobs. As I said earlier. If
we look at the employment population ratios white women, black men,
white men, their impops went down by a tenth of
a percentage point. Black women's impomp put down by about

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two percent. That's a significant difference. White women benefited disproportions
from affirmative action, but not necessarily again, as I said,
in the same way as that black women did. And
white women were already had a foot in the labor market.
And they're always aided and embedded by their father's sons, uncles.

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You know, it's their their they're the mothers, daughters, sisters,
and wives of the oppressives. Don't want to put in
such stark terms, but there it is, so they didn't
suffer as much at all.

Speaker 11 (01:55:49):
Explain to us how this impacts the interest rates and
the stock market. When we had the jobs report comes
out once a month.

Speaker 14 (01:55:57):
The jobs report gives us a sense of where the
economy is going, if it's expanding. But this one was
a very was a particularly bad employment report. We only
met it about twenty I'm not sure an exact number
of twenty two thousand jobs. I believe that's a pathetic number.
Economists were predicting between ad and one hundred thousand jobs,

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and that still was a very very low number. So
with a poor jobs report, the question is that when
you're raising interest rates, you're increasing the cost of money.
We're lowering interest rates, you're making money cheaper. If you
lower interest rates and make money cheaper, you're pushing for
economic expansion. And that's why Trump has been pushing. He

(01:56:44):
wants interest rates to go down, but I mean, he
wants them to go down to near zero, and that's
not happening. But but it did happen. At the beginning
of COVID, we had an interest rates open market rate
of like two percent. It was very, very a low call,
and people did a lot of borrowing that a lot
of people did a lot of buyer because you still

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had to have good credit. But business, some businesses expanded.

Speaker 9 (01:57:09):
Well.

Speaker 14 (01:57:09):
Now the argument for lowering interest rates will be that
we have a sluggish economy, but how much how much
lowering should we do and for what reasons? Then because
the economy is sluggish, then they say, okay, lower interest rates.
It will help the economy extend. Raising interest rates, of course,

(01:57:30):
makes money more expensive and makes the economy contract. So
that's a connection, all right. Thirty after the top of
the though, But Donald Trump says we should ignore these
numbers that came out the real the real tests, you know,
because before he used to blame everything on Biden. That's

(01:57:51):
Biden's economy. He has to own this one now. But
he's saying we should wait until next year.

Speaker 8 (01:57:55):
Do we have time for that?

Speaker 14 (01:57:58):
A lot of people suffering? Now wait until next year
for what for the rates to go up or down?
To see different numbers. I don't think that he's being
particularly transparent, but then again, he never has been. I
think the issue here with that man is that he
came in, he was elected to say he was going
to fix the economy. Remember he can't recite I'm going
to fix the economy. He told a lot of most

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tickets about what he could do to the economy. He's
done none of those things. Instead, we have this distraction distractionary,
the Soopians near dictator, and an easily distracted Congress. I
wrote a piece called welcome Back towards last week when
they came back, because you know, not a single Republican,

(01:58:45):
well maybe they're four, but not many Republicans have any
cajonies whatsoever. And the Democrats are scrambling in a horrible way.
They don't know which way is up. I mean, it's
really it's that funny. It's pitiful these I mean, Kim

(01:59:05):
Jefferies does a decent job of leaving. We hear from
him from time to time, but we don't hear from
enough of them, and what we hear is in pufficient.
Only twenty percent of fight maybe twenty five percent of
Democrats approve of their party because the party has shown
us nothing.

Speaker 11 (01:59:25):
So you know, wait, let me Jo be here and
ask you this, then, doctor Malveaux, what we're seeing in
New York City, Rhythm and Donnie who's calls himself a
Democratic socialis and he's got all the young folks behind him.
Is it time for a changing of the guard. Does
the Democrats the old Democrats? Because you know he's got

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one in your area. She's eighty eight years old. She
says she's running for re election. I love her and
known her for quite some time when she used to
work in New York. She worked with the John Lindsay
was a mayor of New York, and I was covering that.
I thought the social she was from New York. I
don't know from DC, but she's you know, and this
is no shade on her to just be honest, you know.

(02:00:06):
Is it a time for you know, Maxie Waters is
eighty seven, she's eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
Is there a time for for some.

Speaker 11 (02:00:11):
Of these older guards in the Democratic public stamp aside
and let the younger folks come with a newer vision
because it's their future.

Speaker 14 (02:00:22):
Well, I think as a elder myself, I will be
seventy two in a couple of weeks, actually, on September
twenty second. I don't think that the changing of a
guard is like some automatic process where all the old
folks step down and all the young folks step in.

(02:00:42):
I think that is often very gradual, and I encourage
I encourage passing the baton, but when to who and bahu?
In other words, you mentioned they're two sisters in Congress
that are in their later eighties, Eleanor Holmers Nordon and

(02:01:04):
Maxine Waters. Both of them are dear friends. I would
posit that they offer a different kind of energy and
that people have to know themselves. What is the time
to sit down and believe me? If you don't know,
some younger person will come and challenge you, and eventually
the challenge will work. One of the tragedies I think

(02:01:25):
of California politics was Senator Dianne Findsteide again, someone I've
known for forever actually, and when she was mayor of
San Francisco she actually worked together on some.

Speaker 10 (02:01:39):
On some issues.

Speaker 14 (02:01:42):
She clearly looked past her prime, she clearly, but she
wouldn't step down. And that's the test for each person.
I mean, I look at a lot of people, you know.
I remember years ago Reverend Jackson had some issues with
the home motion of stepper Side and he has worked

(02:02:07):
until his old age. He now has Parkinson's and of
of course can't really do as much as he wanted,
but he's still act it. He goes to the office
three thor days a week. But he has made one
of his sons the Coo of Rainbow, so he gets
that his abilities are different. But I think it depends
on the person, and it depends on the context I'm

(02:02:28):
thinking about. You know some people, Doctor Hyde was vital
into her nineties. Doctor Height had a memory like a
still trap. She could tell you that something happened in
nineteen thirty five, and we look at it, sing how
did you know that?

Speaker 8 (02:02:49):
How do you remember that?

Speaker 14 (02:02:51):
So you know it depends on the place. But we
do have to be cognizant. I will say this. We
have to be cognitant of our agency, of our context,
and of when we will We know when to hold
it and know when to fold it.

Speaker 11 (02:03:04):
Gotcha, we're coming up on a breaker. But I got
a tweeters who's listening to the conversation earlier? She said,
just please ask doctor Malvaux, should sisters organize and be
ready to send a message during the mid term elections.
I'll let you respond to that tweet when we get back.
Family too want to join our conversation with our guests.
And she's an economist. Doctor Julian Malvaux reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy sation.

(02:03:27):
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Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
Next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us
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(02:04:11):
Doctor Malvaux.

Speaker 5 (02:04:12):
The tweet question.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
The tweeter says, should sisters organize and be ready to
send a message during the midterm elections.

Speaker 5 (02:04:19):
What say you?

Speaker 14 (02:04:19):
Oh, absolutely absolutely, And one of the courses I've encouraged
you to look at nc and w's website, National Council
of Negro Women's website. That was Mary McLeod, Bethoon and
Doctor Heights organization and now ably led by Shavon Arline Bradley.
They're planning all kinds of things around the midterms around

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supporting doctor Lisa Cook at the FED, the very activist organization.
So yes, sisters should be organized and we should be
sending a message, and we should be very concerned frankly
about the number of folks who don't vote. See, we've
got our else into this situation.

Speaker 7 (02:05:02):
We really did, but not if.

Speaker 14 (02:05:06):
Only ten percent more of black people voted Democratic. And
I have to qualify that because many did vote Republican,
not a lot lot, but I think as many as
twenty percent of black men voted for the current president
and around ten to twelve percent of black women. So
you know, these are people who did not believe that
fat being three c didn't think that Trump was gonna

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do anything wrong, and now look.

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
At what's happened.

Speaker 14 (02:05:31):
But so we have First of all, we got to
get our vote out. We got to get our vote out.
It's unacceptable to not vote. We need to let our
young people know that, we need to let our men
know that. We need to let everybody know we must vote.
You know, if you don't, if you don't vote, you
get what you get. And you see what we got. Secondly,

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while I am not well, I have a yellow dog Democrat,
but that's changing. But I am a Democrat and I
support the Democratic Party. They're more right than the Republicans are.
Let's put that way. They're not perfect by any stretch
of the imagination, but they're more voting for more Republicans
at a time like this only emboldens the current president.

(02:06:16):
Emboldens already. He's broken all.

Speaker 15 (02:06:18):
Kinds of laws.

Speaker 14 (02:06:19):
The Supreme Court won't stop him. He's going to continue
to do so. He's going after a very able black
woman and Lisa Cook, because she's done anything wrong but
to control the economy, and she stands in the way
of him controlling that economy because he she has not
agreed to lower interest rates.

Speaker 5 (02:06:43):
So could you moment jump here and asking this though?

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
Dr Malvaux at sixteen away from the top they are
if the interest rates are lowered, to say, when the
Fed mates later this month and decided to drop the
interest rates, how soon will we see a result? Will
that will the economy start purring again? Will will it work?
I guess my question is, well.

Speaker 14 (02:07:03):
If you'll see a result in a couple of months,
it doesn't happen, you know. So the interest rate is cut,
that means the price of money is lower. That means
that if you're looking for a mortgage and you go
to the bank, then then the interest rate is cut.
They're not gonna change your mortgage rate overnight, but they

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may change it.

Speaker 16 (02:07:30):
With the With a month.

Speaker 14 (02:07:33):
People will be talking about will be it banks, what
kind of loan you're getting? All of that, But uh,
the interest rate will go down from a bank shortly
after the Fed lower rate, but not not like tomorrow.
So it's gonna take a couple of months a higher rate.

Speaker 6 (02:07:57):
And they bear that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
So fifteen away from the top of that with doctor
Julian Malvaux, she's an economist, Doctor Malvaux. You know, sometimes
people when they hear the reports about the stock market,
that seems like they're telling me somebody else. And I'm
talking to us. Should we be paying more attention what's
going on on Wall Street?

Speaker 10 (02:08:20):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (02:08:21):
Absolutely, for any number of reasons. First of all, though
many of us do not have stock direct we may
have a four oh one K that our employer has
invested in on our behalf. And although the stock market
is a it's not the best indicator what's going on

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with the economy. It's something that we should know about.
We should know about the fluctuations because they represent not
necessarily full science, but they represent the business attitudes for
what's going on in the economy. When the stock market
is going down, says attitudes are pepp and are poor.
That they're indicators that say we should be concerned. When

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it's going up, it says people are feeling very optimistic.
So we want to keep our finger on that post.
I always tell young people, they say, what should I
read every day? Number one of the newspaper and number
two the business section.

Speaker 10 (02:09:17):
Just so you know.

Speaker 5 (02:09:20):
What kind of response.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
I'm curious what kind of response when when you tell
young people that they should those are instead of the
sports section, telling them to read the business section.

Speaker 5 (02:09:28):
What do they say.

Speaker 14 (02:09:31):
All kinds of things. Well, some young people tell me
they don't read the newspaper. They get their news online,
and those questions where you get it online? I mean,
there's a whole debate these days about what's reliable news,
so that becomes interesting. You certainly don't get it from
Fox News. I beat the Post, I mean, and then off.

(02:09:57):
Most days I have subscriptions to about five other news papers,
the Houston Chronicle, I sometimes read the Boxing Globe. I
read try to read regionally because that also gives you
a sense of what's who's covering what. But young some
young people take the advice. Others tell me they're not

(02:10:17):
interested in the news for that interesting newspaper, Like wasn't
young brother told me he only had a certain amount
of time today and he was not going to use
to read the newspaper. My line to that is just
do you boop? But you may be find yourself without
information at a point.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
In time and you want to know, Yeah, sad twelve
away from the top there a tweet question, so follow
me is kind of long, just grind rising Dotor Melvaux.
Over thirty years ago, when Nikita Kristreev was the Prime
Minis of Russia, he said, quote, we will take America
without firing a shot, and he goes on to say,
do you see the current Trump MAGA Project twenty twenty
five agenda as a manifestation of his his historical statement,

(02:10:58):
And we see the American system economic economically cracking from
the inside out through their policies.

Speaker 14 (02:11:03):
What do you say, I'm you know if I didn't
at the president he cows house to prudence in a
way that belies the international strength that the United States has.
But in just eight months, nine months, he has basically

(02:11:27):
eroded the strength of the United States. If you in
December or even early, that's what the subversal respect. Not
necessarily admiracious, but certainly respect. We don't get to it anymore.
Why not because we're not behaving respectively. What we've done

(02:11:50):
to Ukraine is shameful. What do you think Ukraine? A
lot of people think that Ukraine shouldn't doesn't deserve the
United States help. Many think it does. And the tragedies
over from the hospital ridiculous Middle Eastern situation. This is
another one that that man said he thought he could

(02:12:11):
solve overnight. Well, we see what's happened with him in Houton.
He and he thinks Pudon is his friend he doesn't
understand the meaning of a friend. Suton is not his friend,
and he's not the friend of the United States either
with his countelling behavior. Russia can take us over or

(02:12:32):
that take us over. Certainly we they've already weakened us.
They've already significantly weakened us. And that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (02:12:42):
Yes, it is ten away from the top all econoress,
doctor malvel, doctor Malvau, did you ever see as econress
now put your economics hat on right now? Do you
ever see the economy going back? Will take a change
of regime. But the way that the course that the
Trump administration's going on is it gonna work. He's say
he's bringing jobs back to America. He's going after the

(02:13:03):
illegal immigrants and says, so the jobs that were lost
to have we lost by the immigrants. It's always making
sense to you as an economist, not at all.

Speaker 14 (02:13:12):
First of all, we are internationally intertwined. Undocumented people and
especially undocumented criminals, don't have any need to be here.
We've been grappling, Carl. I've worked worked in the Carter
White House. This was some time ago. We started grappling

(02:13:33):
with immigration policy. Then Ray Marshall when he was Secretary
of Labor halpiposals for immigration policy. We can't get on
the same page with immigration policy. Until we do, we're
gonna have problems. Right now, we see our restaurants, a
lot of them. Our industry is being affected by all

(02:13:53):
these illegal deportations, and many of them are illegal. You're
deporting people who are legal, and then you're pointing people
who are not legal but certainly not criminal, and that's
that's become an issue as well.

Speaker 17 (02:14:07):
So and his plan is to.

Speaker 14 (02:14:13):
Take the jobs that a documentary do have and give
them to Americans. How many Americans do you know who
are lined up to do minimum wage jobs? It's work
in the field.

Speaker 13 (02:14:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (02:14:25):
But if you know them, you're But I just don't
see that. Also, he believes that increasing tariffs will force
manufacturing back to the United States. We don't have a
manufacturing infrastructure. It will take us at least five years
to get up the speed with a manufacturing infrastructure, and

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hundreds of millions, got billions of dollars to do so.
And then based on the way the United States are
situated in cities, you have to put the factories in
some rural areas. Now people would move, and we've seen
that happen before. But I don't see the job coming
back in the same way. Some of the jobs will

(02:15:08):
come back and some will go away because of technology, AI.

Speaker 3 (02:15:12):
Et cetera.

Speaker 14 (02:15:13):
But I don't see I don't I really don't see
the jobs coming back at the same numbers.

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
You know, you know, doctor Matvy. One of the things
he says that stix away from the top of the
taffs are our taxis how do you see your economists
to tell us what the deal is? Are tariffs another
form of taxes?

Speaker 14 (02:15:32):
Okay, repeat that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:15:34):
My question was Donald Trump, his administrator, saying that the
tariffs and the people are blaming the tariffs for the
state of the economy right now. But he says that
that's not a new form of taxes. But some people
say it is. What do you say, taxes?

Speaker 14 (02:15:50):
Oh, yes, it's a form of taxes. It's an addition
to what you would ordinarily pay. So if and you're
seeing it, if something is there's a twenty percent tariff,
that's really twenty percent tax. You're paying twenty percent more
than you would have paid absolute the tariff. Now some
will argue it's not going to be the whole twenty percent,

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and many manufacturers are trying to lessen the pain by
by absorbing some of themselves, but they can't absorb it indefinitely.
But what that really means is that if they can't
absorb it, we're gonna pay it and it will have
a negative effect on the economy. And that's either you

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can you can't fudge that, and you're already seeing it
if you I own shop bus but yeah, I really
don't shop bunch food. But but people who are like
shopping for the holidays now are complaining about how much
things are gonna cost. Even if you bought a prefabricated

(02:16:54):
Christmas tree, which usually was made in China, it's probably
about fifty percent more than it was last year for
a twenty dollars tree. Now it's thirty dollars.

Speaker 5 (02:17:06):
So sticks away from the top there.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
Let me tell me here again and ask you this
has sent some people who think of you know, our
people love the holidays, especially Christmas. I understand that most
of the toys that are into this country come from China.
Is just gonna people should be prepared for a stick
of shock if they're going to buy Christmas presents, especially
toys for the children. This holiday season coming up.

Speaker 14 (02:17:29):
They're going to be highed. Now, some very smart retailers,
when they heard about the possibility of terror, they overboughked.
So they have inventory. So because they have inventory, they
may not have to raise prices right away. But if
they don't have the inventory, they have to raise prices.
And then let's think about this, Carl. So the big

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box folks I'm talking about, they have inventory, Mama, pop
star stores. Don't that means that if you are trying
to patriodize our black small businesses, you're gonna have to
pay more? And then, uh, you know that man said, well,
maybe kids get fewer toys. Well, except for a working

(02:18:15):
class and lower income families, kids are not getting for
one toy. Will they get any this time?

Speaker 17 (02:18:23):
Especially with unemployment and everything everything else combined with unemployment
combined with sisters losing jobs combined, well we're not gonna
have the Christmas that we had last year.

Speaker 11 (02:18:35):
Wow, for away from the time will come around a break.
But Mike is once you join the conversation, he disagrees
with what you're saying. He's online too, Mike, you'll disagree
with doctor Malva.

Speaker 8 (02:18:47):
Yes, good morning, doctor, and good morning mister Nelson and Javin.
I disagree because the tariffs are really working. For many
many years, coaches have been getting over in the United States.
We bought all of twenty five twillion dollars back the
United States, and companies have been countries have been their
needs and Donald trup because they knew they were getting over.
We saw what just happened in the plant in Georgia.

(02:19:09):
We had over three hundred South Korean and legal workers
working at the plant. Those jobs could have went to Americans. Also,
the inflation numbers are doing really good. Unemployment is down. Everything.
The only thing she's right about is that I think
about two or three years are probably five years to
bring those jobs back, to build factories and stuff like
that in rural areasthing like that. But it's working. Everything

(02:19:30):
is working, and Trump's gonna win in the midterms because
regardless of what you say, a majority the people Paul,
the polls, Fox, Poles, CNN, Post everything, people are clad
that what he's doing. You know what I'm saying. So,
you know, the immigration thing, the legal things, the Congress
got to fix the whole thing, you know, getting this
whole thing with the immigration stuff together. I mean when
the country first started out in a country point, we

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have four agencies. Now we have over four hundred agencies.
We had to cut back on that. People weren't going
to work. I found out yesterday. And I know I
might have working in nicely put in office. They were
there for ten years and they were working at home
for ten years.

Speaker 11 (02:20:06):
What kind is that?

Speaker 10 (02:20:08):
It's clean? Oh?

Speaker 11 (02:20:09):
I thought there, Mike. I want doctor Malvaux to respond,
but we got to take a short break. And when
we get back, and I'll thank you for your car.
It's two minutes away from the top of the our family.
Doctor Malvaux respond to what Mike just said. Next, you
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(02:20:29):
guess this economist dots at Julian male vaue you'd like
to speak to doctor Malvaux. Reach out to us at
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doctor Malvaux, I'm sure you were itching just to respond
to the some of the things that Mike just said.

Speaker 14 (02:20:44):
Actually, I was laughing, Carl, to be honest, I mean,
with all due respect to the brother, he's seeing very
different numbers, and I am I don't even think he's
acclusing the daily newspapers when you talk about unemployment is
doing well, No, unemployment take the up. It ticked up
just a little bit, and it ticked up, and it
takes way up for black women, and people are leaving

(02:21:05):
the labor market. So that's number one. His employment numbers
don't jibe with the employment numbers that are being reported
by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Of course, since he
seems to be a trumpet, he probably is the group
that says, we don't believe the numbers. And well, you know,
despite the fact that the President fired the head of
the Bureau Labor Statistics because he didn't like the numbers.

(02:21:26):
Liking the numbers and believing the numbers are two different things.
So the inflation inflation is ticking up as well, and
that's why he's the president is so a rabbit about
the possibility of lowering interest rates, So that that's number two.

(02:21:46):
The scenario that he built the rate of the Korean
plant in Georgia was a high undate plant. The rate
of that plan, about three hundred people about to be
deported Korea is sitting there own uh Soul Surrey is
sitting their own plane to come get them. That was

(02:22:06):
very floppy. But could Americans have had those jobs? Did
Americans want those jobs? I mean that becomes the issue.
H There are many frankly many would call them medial
jobs that Americans don't want and are not lining up for.
But that's that situation does raise a lot of questions
about immigration policy and about the countries that we allow, underline,

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will allow to invest in our country, and the restrictions
that we don't put on them. And it raises questions.
But I disagree that Americans are going to go flocking
for those jobs. Some will, certainly, but many will not.
And so uh, you know, the brother drank the kool aids,

(02:22:53):
you know, probably do a little submitted too, But I
just I disagree with him completely, you know, Yeah, that's
how it's time to say. He basically is repeating the
Trump lines. And that's okay, everybody. We don't as black
people don't have to walk or think in lockstep.

Speaker 10 (02:23:13):
But give you.

Speaker 14 (02:23:15):
If he can give me some numbers, I'll take a
look at him. But I don't think but what he said,
and I look at these numbers just about every other day,
well what he said, I don't think that he can
back up half of what he said about.

Speaker 11 (02:23:25):
The numbers, right. And if he says that these jobs,
that these so called illegal immigrants have, these jobs, that
he thinks that Americans, American's gonna go to pick these
peaches in Georgia or go to Central California and pick letters.
Our people are not flocking to do that. We picked

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cotton a long time ago. Are picking days are over.
So if these are the folks who are taking our
black jobs, how does he believe that? How does Trump
sell that to our people?

Speaker 8 (02:23:57):
Well?

Speaker 14 (02:23:57):
They really can't. But I think that Georgia can is
a little bit different. This is a manufacturing plan, a
high under manufacturing plan. Now I don't have a rundown
on exactly what jobs were lost, but these were medium
skilled jobs. These are low skilled jobs, medium skilled jobs,
and they potentially could have been jobs that African Americans

(02:24:18):
had could have had. Georgia has a large black population.
But the question is, again is this what did have
been a hospitable what can I say, hospital environment for
black people? Did high undays recruit among the black community,
and if they did it, would they It's not a

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one for one exchange to inspire you know, a Korea
and you get a black persons. It just doesn't work
that way. And I co get I don't know what
the jobs were, so I think that that's an exceptional case.
The jobs that we really are seeing are undocumented people
or other people being deported, are agrico jobs. And as

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you say, we did that, a lot of been there,
done that, you know, got the stripes on our back.
Not planning to do that again in the home of seeing.

Speaker 11 (02:25:08):
Yeah, six have it toughly. I'm gonn tell you to
speak of Reverend Paul Street. Let me ask you this, though,
Dr Malveau. All the money that supposedly is saved, where
is this money They supposedly laid off a lot of
government and workers, so they saved those salaries people that
there are charging people to do business in the United States,
people to visit the country, they're paying more money. So

(02:25:29):
if they balance the budget yet, is there enough of
the surplus? Because the one time they was talk about
us getting a check. Have you heard anything like that.

Speaker 14 (02:25:39):
I hear the rumors that they say there would be
some kind of check, some kind of rebate or something,
but that's that's not planned, uh that it's just talk.

Speaker 15 (02:25:48):
We do hear that.

Speaker 14 (02:25:51):
Some of the tariff money is going to go towards
reducing the deficits, but the deficit is billions. Of the
teriff money coming in three to four is millions, So
it's just a fraction of the deficit. So we keep hearing,
you know, this is gonna this is gonna benefit. We
haven't seen the benefits, and you know, I don't think

(02:26:14):
we'll see them anytime soon, and I really don't think
we'll see them at all. But certainly you can manipulate
any number of things, and if you manipulate them properly,
which he will end up with. Franklly is a situation
where there may be games, but those games are gonna
be within like ten years. They're not gonna be next

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week or even next month.

Speaker 3 (02:26:37):
Are you know?

Speaker 14 (02:26:38):
Young people who are in their twenties now are not
gonna see the benefits until well into the twenty thirties.
And hope people in the twenty thirties.

Speaker 11 (02:26:50):
May or may not be here.

Speaker 14 (02:26:52):
So this this is a shell game call.

Speaker 11 (02:26:58):
And before we'll let you go, Oh, Johnny's got in
DC has a question for you real quick, so hang
on there, Reverend Paul. Johnny online too, your question for
doctor Melville, real quick, Johnny, they are online two Yeah, Johnny,
are on hello, Yes, you're on there, Johnny.

Speaker 7 (02:27:23):
Hey, Hey, hey, grand Rising. One of the things I
wanted to say is that you know, those union jobs
were held by people who are undocumented, and they should
be going to America. We want them jobs, their union jobs,
their manufacturing jobs, and so we have to acknowledge that.
The next thing is some of those jobs that the

(02:27:47):
undocumented workers are taken, like the delivery jobs. Young people
would gladly take them jobs if they're availble to want.

Speaker 8 (02:27:53):
You know, you're.

Speaker 7 (02:27:54):
Seventeen, you're eighteen, nineteen, you're in college. But we got
the illegal people occupying those jobs, and brothers will take
them jobs to get started.

Speaker 11 (02:28:06):
All right, let's still a chance to response, Thanks, Johnny.

Speaker 8 (02:28:09):
All right.

Speaker 14 (02:28:11):
Johnny has a couple of points. The union jobs in Georgia,
certainly African Americans who would take where they offered. I
believe that what that high Undae plant did is brought
in a bunch of their own workers, and that should
not have been allowed. So but of those union jobs,
how many of them were going to go to African Americans?

(02:28:33):
Some might have He's absolutely right, So I won't argue
that point. On the delivery jobs, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (02:28:41):
So sure about that.

Speaker 14 (02:28:42):
First of all, the level of racism that exists in
our country is such as do you actually think they
would be hiring young black people with the level of
discrimination against young black people? What we see right now,
I mean, young black people are out there. They want
to work. I'm not denying that, I'm not doubting. I'm
endorsing got one thousand percent young black people want to work.

(02:29:03):
But what we see as an example here in Washington, DC,
is that a lot of the delivery jobs are going vacant.
You know a friend of Mindset, she was so disturbed
she had to she walked, and she had to walk
to get her DoorDash because DoorDash told they couldn't deliver
to her that particular day they were down two or
three people. So that's the first word world problem. So

(02:29:25):
we're not gonna dwell on it. But the fact that
there are these companies like DoorDash willing to hire young
black people and the in for all two operatives, though
young black men in particular have been so stereotype that,
I mean just acutely stereotype that they don't they don't
have the opportunity. Now, yeah, I'll just leave it at that.

(02:29:47):
But you know, if young people have those opportunities, I'm
sure they would take them. I don't think they have
the opportunity.

Speaker 11 (02:29:54):
All right, talk about but we're gonna leave it right there.
How can folks each you can may follow you online?
And what is the the time of your latest book?

Speaker 14 (02:30:03):
I'm working on that book is killing me, Carlo. The
most recent book is called Surviving and Thriving three hundred
and sixty five Facts of Black Economic History. It's a
second edition. And yeah, it's a second edition if you
if you want one, because Amazon is still sitting out
the first edition. Uh text email me at Julian Malveaux

(02:30:26):
at aol dot com. Just my name at aol dot com.
I'm working on a book on lynching and reparations. It's
coming very slowly, but I'm working on it. You can
find me at Julian malvel at aol dot com doctor
j last word is Twitter, which I'm hardly ever on Facebook,
Julian Malveaux, I think those are the only ones I do.

Speaker 11 (02:30:52):
Yep, yeah, because you this is who we who only
find out what's going on in the economy. So thank
you for sharing your thoughts with.

Speaker 2 (02:31:03):
Us this morning.

Speaker 14 (02:31:04):
Absolutely, take good care.

Speaker 8 (02:31:07):
All right.

Speaker 11 (02:31:08):
Family twelve after talking out Reverend Paul Smith grind Rising,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 13 (02:31:13):
Thank you, sir, thank you, thank you, thank you with us.
That is a fascinating conversation. I wish I heard it
earlier because I was a consultant for for Honda that
lost that suit against the company that you that she
was talking about. But Honda did it the right way
when it built as first plant in Birmingham outside of Birmingham, Alabama,

(02:31:37):
between between Birmingham and uh and Atlanta. And they did
it right because they involved the community. The workforce ended
up being about thirty percent African American, and they had
set some limits on on port jobs and so forth.
But we've worked with them pretty pretty directly what they

(02:31:59):
could do with they should not do, and they pretty
much followed our derition. So it's a very successful plant.
Look it up.

Speaker 3 (02:32:06):
You don't have to take my word for it.

Speaker 13 (02:32:08):
The Honda, you know, used won that suit because the
name was so close to Honda that they just sort
of snuck in quietly and did none of the things
that they should have done that Honda did.

Speaker 11 (02:32:23):
Yeah, thirteen half that's tough to Reverend Paul Smith is
where this doctor Smith is one of our sixty civil
rights hears. Along with them Massa Andrew Young and doctor
Lennard Hamlin, they usually three of them are usually here
in the morning when when they come on the radio
a question while we asked them to come on, because
Donald Trump's about to go into Chicago, will send the

(02:32:44):
troops into Chicago. How do you think that would have
happened if back, if LBJ decided, oh, Jeff, even JFK
decided to do that when during the civil rights struggle,
how do you think that would what would have happened?

Speaker 8 (02:33:00):
And on.

Speaker 13 (02:33:02):
No, and it's not not here yet, okay, what first
of all, we would have blocked. We would have put
our bodies in front of the in front of the
truth peacefully. There would have been that kind of action
and we'd be singing, we'd be nonviolent, we'd be we'd
be in the streets, perpetually, perpetually making clear that this

(02:33:23):
is a violation of the law, the violation of the
rights of the people of the the citizens of Chicago
and also particularly.

Speaker 8 (02:33:32):
You know, just here in d C.

Speaker 13 (02:33:34):
We would also make clear that we'd be in conversation
with the administration. I don't know who's talking to the
administration beyond the President, but we I don't since that
there's any discussion at all with anyone other than than Trump,
if in fact that is the case at all, But
we don't hear anything about the people who are the

(02:33:57):
day to day Trump is not day to day. He
just mouthed you know stuff because he can do it,
and it's also you know, camouflaged from all the other
things that he's facing. But we would be we would
be demanding being at the table of the people who
are the decisions make decision makers about all the things
they're doing. We'd be in the streets peacefully, we met

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we were not let up.

Speaker 8 (02:34:21):
We would be meeting the.

Speaker 13 (02:34:24):
Troops, you know, the National Guard. We would be meeting
them face to face. Is a picture in the old
Saturday Evening Post magazine of a little girl sat in
front of some soldiers. That's a long time ago, but
that that's symbolic of what what we would have would

(02:34:46):
be doing right now. And the other thing we would
be doing is we would be keeping we would be
keeping alive the fact of how illegal what he is
doing and also how racist what he is doing, because
speaking on basically you heard they're black mayors and and
and they are also all all Democrats. That we would

(02:35:07):
draw we would make clear that that's that's really quite
racially motivated, has nothing to do with the crime statistics.
And even if he had had the statistics, he wouldn't
believe them anyway. It's his quest and his desire for
power that drives everything he does. He's meddling in everything

(02:35:29):
he can do. Just recently, you know here in d C,
he's now decided that he wants to do away with
the death with dignity UH law that was on the
books in d C. And I'm major, I'm a major
part of that during my pastor, I served on that
on that board. So what we have to do is
stay focused. But I don't see us in the streets enough.

(02:35:52):
And I think if we are in the streets, as
I said some time ago in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (02:35:58):
It has to be so.

Speaker 13 (02:36:01):
And as then he said, we always had a song
to sing. There are no songs singing. They're no prayer nor.

Speaker 11 (02:36:08):
The Reverend Smith because we are step aside for a
few moments. And I'm glad you said that, because I
want you to direct you this next response to the
young people, because back in the sixties you were them.
You were out in the streets, but you were confronting
the city with different kinds. You want to confront an
organized group like what Donald Trump is doing in Washington, DC,
LA and now he's attended to do in Chicago. How

(02:36:29):
did you what sort of restrained did you have? Because
these young brothers and sisters as going to have to
have this restraint now staring down the eyes of these
troops that are in our streets. I'll let you tell
us how you guys did that. When we get back
from the short break, Family, you want to join this conversation.
Hit us up at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we take a calls next
and Grand Rising family, I fanks just staying with us

(02:36:50):
on this Tuesday morning. I guess is Reverend Paul Smith.
Usually we have Reverends Paul Smith, a Trio and Bassid
Andrew Young and also Kenon Leonard and all here, and
they all marched together with Doctor King back in the sixties,
and it was it's just different then. It was a
different energy with our young people. And one of the
reasons why I reasked them to come on this morning

(02:37:11):
is just to let us know how they should react
because they they were taught into being non violent. They
you know, they they believe they want doctor Ginging's vision
of nonviolence started by Mahatma Gandhi. But are young people
today who are out there on the streets. They're not
civil rights workers, and what they're finding for is something different.
And the question is how should they behave when they

(02:37:34):
come up against these uh, these people in uniform, these soldiers,
if you will, whoever troopers who are going to be
patrolling the seats. So they're doing right down in Washington,
d c. H thinking about New Orleans and they said
they're going into Chicago this week. They've already been on
the streets of LA So it's it's an issue, but
how do we get our young people to have some

(02:37:55):
sort of restraint because there's probably going to be some
gen provoca tours in the crowd to kick things off
and want and wanted to get busy. And of course
we can't confront them. We don't have the ammunition to
to fight with them. So that's the problem. So we'll
see how you know, we'll see doctor Smith's back again, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (02:38:15):
No, not yet, he's calling the ambassador. But while you're
trying to you, okay, yes, And while you're talking though,
I was thinking about the the soldiers that you're seeing
on the street. Now many of them, many of them
are young people themselves, and they're standing there h in
the uniform, whip their weapons on them. Is that a

(02:38:37):
deterrent in and of itself, just seeing them, because they're
never standing by themselves, there's always three or four together.
I kind of see that as a deterrent. But you
think that the agent provocateurs would do something, I'd throw
a sandwich at them or something.

Speaker 10 (02:38:53):
What do you think it could be?

Speaker 11 (02:38:55):
But the difference was during the sixties that they weren't organized,
they weren't a uniful They were just folks who just
hated us and were screaming at us and and you know,
tell us to go back and go back to Africa
and all this kind of stuff. They were telling us
we're not wandered here. So for the fight for for
doctor Smith Andrew Young and let it handle, it was.

(02:39:16):
It was a little different. This is an organized group,
as you know, wearing uniforms and and they're all packing,
so you know, it was it was. It was slightly different,
but it was still hostile. And this is what some
of our young people have to have some restraints. And
so far glad afar from the dude, well he's from
the other tribe through we don't know if he was

(02:39:36):
an Asian provocateur through the subway sandwich, one of the troopers.
But so far, and thank you that young people in Washington,
d c. And in l A in facted with the
restraint because this is what some people think that you know,
this is all part of the plan to kick it off.
So then you know, then going to the full marshal
law in the whole nine yards and the way they

(02:39:58):
setting it up, the way he's positioned in Chicago, I
think this is where they wanted to want you to
jump off. But so far, again our young people have
been acting with restraint. But again, like you said, Kevin.
All it takes is an agent provocateur. You know, some
people call a red flag get it started. So that
that's the difference. And the difference is when with with

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Andy Young and doctor Smith and Reverend Hamlin, when they
were marching, they didn't have to see people in the
street in the uniform, the people that they pay to
protect them or protect the country. At least they had
just angry people who look different from from them, who
just hated them, and yet they kept on Marshy. So
it's it's, it's it's I wanted to say, it's a

(02:40:40):
little different, but it's a huge difference.

Speaker 8 (02:40:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:40:43):
Governor JB. Pritzker and Mayor Brandon Johnson out in Illinois
are definitely against it, and they're saying that the President
doesn't have a right to do that, while he's still
justifying the deployments and claiming that because it works so
well in DC that he says there's a serious violation

(02:41:04):
of the law. That's what Judge Charles Bryer in California
accused them of the violation of the laws. So do
they have a leg to stand on from this legal standpoint,
or you know, can Trump literally stiff arm them.

Speaker 11 (02:41:22):
Well, here's the other thing too, how do they know
it's working. Do they get the crime stats every day?

Speaker 10 (02:41:27):
Is it?

Speaker 11 (02:41:27):
Because usually they've done monthly? How do we know? How
do we how do we know if we believe those figures?
You know, somebody called and complained that there was a
robbery or something in DC, and I guess they called
the White House. The White House sent over a camera
crew who Yeah, they didn't try to have the person

(02:41:48):
who's who was mugged or robbed or whatever. They sent
a camera crewise they want to interview them to use
them as propaganda. So that that's that's the other issue too.
How do we know what's real and what's memorys? It's
a whole different thing, you know. But the tweeters up
in arms, and uh, you know, let me just read one.

(02:42:12):
He says, I'm not sure why young folks or any
folk need to get involved in whatever's going on because industries,
because he doesn't necessarily provide a solution to any of
the issues. And the other than that, too, what is
the expected outcome from being involved in these type of protests?
And we keep hearing that all the time that the protests,
the mechanism, the technique hasn't changed from the sixties when

(02:42:33):
when doctor Smith and the young and uh uh, doctor Hamlin,
we're rolling with Doctor King. They're still protesting, they're still marching,
and we needed probably need a different way to protest
than what we did in the sixties. But that's that's
a question for doctor Dr Smith when he comes back,

(02:42:54):
if he does, get the ambassador on the phone with
him as well. But that's the do we need Let
me ask you, then, do you think we.

Speaker 9 (02:43:00):
Need to change up?

Speaker 2 (02:43:02):
Change up from having troops in.

Speaker 5 (02:43:04):
The streets and change up our response.

Speaker 2 (02:43:07):
Our response to that, well, so far it's been more
of a conversation than I've seen any you know what,
personally or even on the news. We haven't seen any
outbursts from the civilians, but we do have Reverend Brown back,
I mean Reverend Smith back, So yes, I'm yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:43:31):
The question was it was again, it was the technique
that you guys used in the sixties. Do you think
it's applical for today?

Speaker 13 (02:43:40):
Everything today, in my opinion, even in the language is angry, arguing,
violent language. That's not going to work. It didn't work.
We never use that kind of language. As Andy said,
we always had a song to thing, we had a

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prayer to say, we had an action that was non violent,
and we kept at it every day. It wasn't just
whenever we thought we needed to be there. We were
there every day. It was a commitment. The other thing
is we had the churches involved. Where are the churches today?
We don't see them out front, we don't see them

(02:44:25):
even in their pulpits talking much about it now, I
must confess that it is true that in our day
we were you know, of course John Lewis was beaten,
and he was beating up once or twice, but were
we never had our family threatened. This group today threatens
the families of our leaders. I know that for a

(02:44:46):
fact that was not something we had to contend with.
And when if they are, if this crew that they
are going after your family, you're going to think differently
about how you're going to respond to that, because you
don't want your family to be injured in any way.
But I know for a fact that a number of

(02:45:08):
our leaders today their families are now being threatened. But
that's different. But I contend and I would would do
it all over again. I'm ninety. In a couple of days,
Andy is ninety three. And one thing that saved our
lives was being trained to be nonviolent, because that was

(02:45:29):
a way in which we made our voices known. And
it also came from scripture, it came from Gandhi. We
practiced that, and I just don't see any of that today.
It wouldn't hurt to try it. We haven't tried it yet,
but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Speaker 11 (02:45:50):
Yeah, And that was a question to it. Thirty minutes
after the top there, we got some folks want to
talk to you. By the way, Reverend Smith, you guys
were trained in nonviolence. Our young if not had that training,
they may are concerned is they.

Speaker 3 (02:46:04):
May go for the bait.

Speaker 11 (02:46:05):
They may be provoked and react in a different way.
And they're facing people begunst they're all packing back. Then
you just facing like angry mobs. Yes, what sort of
a our young people.

Speaker 13 (02:46:21):
I can't say it any any better. It's hard to
beat up on you if you're on your knees in prayer,
if you're singing songs of joy and of praising, and
if you're you're walking in lockstep with your fate. Whether
you're Baptist Methodists, passing or what our religion was the

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guide to our everyday activity, and it was every day.
There was a prayer vigil every day. There were prayer
meetings in local churches every day. So when people went
out to march, they were fortified by the music that
they had been singing in their churches before they went
to the marches. They were fortified by their faith and

(02:47:10):
their trust in God. And we never departed from that,
no matter how much they beat upon us, no matter
how much they threatened us, we were always there every day.
And also we were locked up as well. I don't
see anybody getting locked up today. I just don't see it.
So I think our churches are to organize training for

(02:47:34):
non violence and try that as a method. Hell, GONDI
could do it in India. Why can't we do it
in Washington, DC, Chicago, New York. I think it's worth
a try. I think that's the only weapon we have left.
That's where I stand.

Speaker 11 (02:47:57):
Are you there, Carl, Yes, I'm here, twenty seven minutes
away from the top. They We got some folks who
want to talk to you. Lawrence's calling us from Texas. Lawrence,
you have a question for Reverence Smith.

Speaker 6 (02:48:09):
Hey, there, Kyl, Good morning, my brother, Good morning Jiv. Hello, hey, reverend,
check this out. I'm a sixty eight black man. I
grew up with the Black Panther Organization right around the
corner from now. I was a paper boy delivering papers
to them. So I grew up with my black history.
I had elders teach me my black history. I didn't

(02:48:29):
wait on the white man or the racist public schools.
We had black people from HBCUs back in the day,
in the seventies and the late sixties, bringing the knowledge
and the word back to the community, you know, Malcolm
and so forth. My point, my question you is my
wife is sitting there listening to you too. She's sixty eight.
We're from Flint, Michigan, where we don't have clean drinking water.

(02:48:52):
My brother, this is a question, but it's more so
a statement. My brother, there's nothing old, there's nothing new.
It's just seeing under a different light. That's what scripture
tells you. I say this to you. The reason why
what Trump is doing is going to work in the community.

(02:49:12):
Right is right, Wrong is wrong, and color ain't got
a dog gone thing to do with it. Why the
black community is not up in arms rebelling or bucking
because of troops and what Trump is doing. Because there
are a lot of black people in the black community
who understand the game. We understand that it ain't about
race right now. It ain't about race, because how could

(02:49:36):
it be about race when our black leaders are advocating
and taking care of people who come from another country.
You don't see our politicians and our pastors advocating for
better schools. And I can go down the list. We
know the problems that we got in our black community.
They are not being addressed by the clergy, our politicians.

(02:49:57):
This is why you won't see no rebeillon in Chicago.
And I got I stoked in Chicago. I cut my
teeth at seventeen in Chicago.

Speaker 11 (02:50:06):
So yes, and I'm gonna cut you a lot a
bunch of folks who want to talk to you. And
I want to give the reverend a chance to respond
on some more people calling. Thank you launch for your call.
All right, Reverend Smith, what do you say he's blaming
the victim?

Speaker 3 (02:50:21):
You agree with him.

Speaker 13 (02:50:23):
I agree with him in part. And he's right in
the sense that race really isn't a part of it,
that that's a term that white folks created. I think
what he's also saying is correct, in my opinion, is
that this is a game that Trump plays very well.
He's adept at it. He knows what button support, he

(02:50:45):
knows what people to put up put up front. He's
at the black people that you know support him, and
he knows how to do that. But he's not challenged
by people, in my opinion, who have the kind of
authority and the spiritual grounding that pastors have. And I'm
certain you know adding out both those kinds of pastors.

(02:51:07):
We were out there, we put our lives on the line,
and again at the daily demonstration, being trained to take
the stuff that's coming at us that is not happening today.
And then the silence, the silence of the religious communities

(02:51:27):
across the country is deafening.

Speaker 7 (02:51:30):
It's deafening.

Speaker 11 (02:51:34):
Yes, it is twenty four minutes away from the top
of us MS. You've got some more folks who want
to talk to you, and but we got to step
aside for a few months and we come back though,
speak to Terry Reggie and mister Daunte's got questions for
you as well. I guess this is Reverend Paul Smith
is usually with the Ambassador Andrew Young and Leonard Hamdling
Kennon Leonard Handling today talking about what they did in

(02:51:54):
the sixties and what's going on today at the difference
was that she told you if there were schools in
the art of on violence, our young people out there
who have to confront these soldiers or these troops as
in the streets of Chicago, d C, and LA, they
haven't been trained in the art of non violence. So
we've got to be show them to have hopefully they'll
have some restraint when if any of these conflicts arise.

(02:52:16):
Tell me what are your thoughts? You can join our discussion.
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll say all your phone
calls next and Grand Rising Family, don't s staying with
us all morning long on this Tuesday morning. I guess
is the Reverend Paul Smith is usually along with Ambassador
Andrew Young and Canon Lennard Handling these solo this morning,
and we're discussing the fact that is it the evociation

(02:52:39):
of the losing on campanounce for my words this morning
with the troops on the streets of Washington, D c
LA and also threatened to go into New Orleans and Chicago.
They say, Chicago's next. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six kids whore in.
Terry's checking in from DC's on line one. Terry're on
with Reverend Paul Smith.

Speaker 3 (02:53:01):
Grand Rising, gentlemen, could have talk to you again, Carl.
I'm sitting here looking. I'm in between the two of you.
Age wise, I guess. I remember growing up in the
sixties and seeing Fourteenth Street a blaze during the Johnson administration,
and the troops were called in to quell the disturbance.

(02:53:22):
You know, they were landing in the streets. You remember that. Yeah,
they shot a few times, they didn't shoot, but that
at Kent State, you know, and the troops are basically
the same age as college students. You know, they took
it so far and they followed their instructions and they
shot the Kent State students.

Speaker 16 (02:53:41):
That was when the.

Speaker 3 (02:53:43):
Coffee commentata fact was really put into place. For sure,
it was on the books, but never followed. And now
Trump is attempting to test the waters with this, and
he tested it with DC because it's the federal city.
He saw how far he could run with it, and
he had tried to pass it to another ninety days
or so, but Congress wouldn't let him. So he's taken

(02:54:05):
it on a road show, and the road show stopped
in LA when Justin Bryer, I think it was said, no,
you can't do this. But he's going to trample over
the Constitution and everything else and take it back to
the other cities that he's thinking the black mayors and
the Democrats are out of control and run as far
as he can. That's what that impact is now in

(02:54:27):
regards to why we're not active today, that there's a
major difference between today and yesterday. Yesterday we had family.
Today it's hard to find family, particularly in the urban community,
and it's used by the white audience as.

Speaker 7 (02:54:44):
A joke on us.

Speaker 3 (02:54:45):
You know, you don't have you don't have the media
sources that you had back then, and that was taken
away by the conservatives. You know, back in the day,
you had newspapers that triple from the national newspapers, and
we had three in DC, The Post, the Star, the
Daily News. You had black newspapers, and it trickled down

(02:55:05):
to the community. If somebody died in the community, you
went to the obituary. You know, my parents did those
days to find out who it was.

Speaker 13 (02:55:13):
You know, let me, we have AI we have cell phones.
With cell phones, you can do almost anything.

Speaker 3 (02:55:21):
Okay, I was going to get to that. You jumped
to the end for me there.

Speaker 2 (02:55:26):
Let me.

Speaker 3 (02:55:26):
Let me go back again to that connection. That connection
was something you had tactile, You could put your hands
on it, you read it. Those sources of communication, though
they were slow back then disappeared. You know, it was
a control source because you got controlled information that came
from one source to the community. Now days, as you said,

(02:55:51):
you've got phones, you've got instant connection, and you've got
what I learned in a social communications class in college.
You put a group of people in a circle, and
if they whisper in their ear and tell something and
goes around, by the time it got back to you,
it's entirely different. If you wrote it on a piece
of paper and passed it around, it was the same

(02:56:14):
thing and everybody knew what it was.

Speaker 9 (02:56:16):
That's the difference.

Speaker 3 (02:56:17):
Between them and them. And now, in terms of communication,
social media is god and it's not controlled. And that's
exactly what the conservative source, the controlling source wants us
to do today and not know what's going on.

Speaker 11 (02:56:33):
You know, you and Terry bring help with us. We've
got a bunch of folks. You got questions from Okay,
but let.

Speaker 13 (02:56:38):
Me say this, Carl. Let me say this two things. One,
you know this, you know the smashing grab that went
on with stores around the country. Kids would go in
and smashing grabs stuff and run. They did that, but
they their way of getting everybody to go to a
particular store was through their cell phones. The other thing

(02:56:59):
we did is we put nuns at the front of
many of our marches to see what kind of response
there would be, and there was none. There was basically
silence and standing up. People just watched that they would
not attack those nuns. Those were strategies that we worked out.

(02:57:19):
And while it is I know it's a different time,
because it's correct that it's a different time, But I
go right back to what I said before. Unless there's
a different kind of strategy that involves multiple religious and
spiritual communities, we're just marching time.

Speaker 2 (02:57:40):
All right.

Speaker 11 (02:57:41):
Thirteen away from the top of Reggie checking in from Maryland.
He's online, three grand rising. Reggie you're on with the
Reverend Paul Smith. Is REGIEE on line three? All right, Kevin,
let's move on to line far then.

Speaker 7 (02:58:00):
Hello you that reg Jae.

Speaker 8 (02:58:03):
Yeah, I've been here, Brother Quacy. Can you hear me?

Speaker 11 (02:58:06):
I can hear you?

Speaker 8 (02:58:06):
Now? Go ahead, okay, brother Quacy. Look here. When Mark
from Anaheim was on, he was trying to give you
a blueprint that was about to take place with this
big march in September I think is a solidarity march.
And just about at the point he was getting ready

(02:58:27):
to give you one of his strategies of what he
always see that comes true. You cut him off. You
didn't do it purposely. You cut him off, and you
went to California. And when you came back from commercial
he did not finish up where he started. And he
was getting ready to give a warning about that march
what was going to take place. I've been out here

(02:58:49):
in the streets, brother, every since this thing started in DC.
I had my run in with the FBI Secret Service
being close to somebody that they was targeting. I seen
them last night at one o'clock bus a well known
crack house on the northeast side at one o'clock in

(02:59:10):
the morning. They had a carryer van. Those things are
good because that house been operating, that apartment building been
operating for a long time. The difference in California and Chicago,
they have more organized gangs. You have the crips, the Bloods,

(02:59:30):
you have the Mexican mafia in Oakland, so it's more organized.
They're not going to be provoked stupidly by this. The
same thing happened here, what happened there. They have not
basically went in and targeted just blacks. I've seen it.
I've been out here. They have shut down around the Capitol,

(02:59:54):
They've shut down in Georgetown basically protecting white So for
you anybody to come up here say it's not a
black white issue, that's not true, because you see them
protecting the areas where the whites are heavenly, are walking freely.
Those are the areas they were at. I haven't seen
a national god in the hood since I've just started.

(03:00:17):
All I see is the federal Marshals, DC Police, Secret
Service and a like. No national gods have been in
the hood. I have not seen them.

Speaker 3 (03:00:28):
So we didn't learn anything.

Speaker 8 (03:00:31):
So if we didn't learn anything from George Floyd, people
are not gonna take an unjust killing. They're not gonna sing.

Speaker 11 (03:00:39):
Songs, and you're putting the question for him because you're
raising the clock here.

Speaker 8 (03:00:42):
So I just wanted to I just wanted to make
that comment, especially to you, brother Quacy, and see if
you can reach out to Mark so he can finish
up what he started about what is to come.

Speaker 9 (03:00:54):
So that's okay.

Speaker 8 (03:00:55):
I just don't think we're not in a non voalid generation.
It's not going to happen, you know, as if we
provoked with a murder, then they go.

Speaker 11 (03:01:03):
To rationing the clock here. I got a bunch of folks. Man,
I'll reach out to Mark. But I thank you for
your call. Nine away from the top there, mister Dante's
in Baltimore, sawn line for grand rising, mister Dante, your
question or college for a doctor Smith?

Speaker 18 (03:01:18):
Hey, how you doing, family? How you how you doing car?
I just wanted to say, also, thank you for going
out mutching your guests and all the stuff that y'all
did for us back in the day. I just wanted
to say that most people didn't know that it was
illegal to teach slaves how to read. So education system
that we're dealing with right now is already still broken,

(03:01:40):
you know. And if you would have walked around right
now as a regular average black guy thirty years old,
forty years old, Yo, what's a thought Italianism? You know
what I mean? They wouldn't know, you know what I mean?
They don't know the difference between dictatorship and communism. So
I'm just saying that to date, they don't see what's
going on these things. They these little comm up I
don't even know how to say what you guys said
to some something bout of military canter tech. Our people,

(03:02:03):
I mean, they're the Americans. They don't know that type
of stuff, so they don't see the shifts of things
that are going on. I say, we need to focus
on making sure you got the money, because if you
ain't got no money, you can't get a passport, you
can't be able to set up to go to the Bahamas. Also,
you've got all the Spanish people getting kicked out. Also
even with white people, and it's just a white and

(03:02:24):
black thing, but it's not a white a black thing,
meaning white.

Speaker 11 (03:02:27):
People are losing. And mister Donte, I'm gonna cut you
there because we're racing the clock and I want to
give here what doctor Smith has to say about that.
The strategies, Doctor Smith, thank you, Dante, thank you for
your call.

Speaker 13 (03:02:40):
There's there's more strategizing that needs to go on, and
then they needs be regular. And the groups that we
are expecting to do that, of course, were the Congressional
Black Caucus, which is basically a waste of time. Right now,
none of that's happening. And again the leadership within the
religious communities, be Muslim of Christians, it's just not there.

(03:03:03):
There's not that kind of engagement. We had that because
that was all we had. That's the only thing that
would protect us, was to be non violent, because if
we were not non violent, I wouldn't be here talking
to you all right now. So I think we should
all come together. We should be gathering every day at
churches and mosques around the country and talking about what

(03:03:28):
can we do confronting the National Guard out of here
just go just silently pray with them, just pray to
be there. That we just did that, and it sounds
like it's nothing, but it made it made sense. Doctor
King was wedded to the whole notion of non violence.

(03:03:49):
We were wedded to the notion of non violence. Because
if we were not, we would not be here today.
That's all I have to say.

Speaker 11 (03:03:57):
Well, let me check in ask you this, doctor Smith.
Malcolm Martin was saying what he was saying, Malcolm was
saying something different. Were you ever attempted to Hey, let's
try what Malcolm just said. Did that across your mind
when you guys were having your meetings?

Speaker 10 (03:04:12):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (03:04:13):
Yes, in fact I had.

Speaker 10 (03:04:15):
I was.

Speaker 13 (03:04:15):
Actually Malcolm invited me to one of his monks when
I was pastoring in Buffalo, and I was the only
one who of the ministers who showed up. And his
comment was you what you all are doing, We understand that,
but you don't scare them enough. You're too nice. He
thought non violence was just was too too nice of

(03:04:37):
a strategy. And we agreed to disagree. But again, I say,
if India could do it with all the threats that
the British put upon them, why can't we at least
try that now? Why can't there be centers? There were
non violent centers all around the country where we could
go and be trained. Even if you only took you know,

(03:04:59):
a couple of hours of training, you were prepared to
face the enemy. We are not prepared to face the enemy,
because the enemy is with the media, is everybody, and
Trump is playing us like a drum in my opinion.

Speaker 8 (03:05:11):
Sorry, yeah, but.

Speaker 11 (03:05:14):
You also mentioned that you're seeing, I guess, a lack
of action coming from the churches, the Black Coffee, yes, yes,
other groups, civil rights groups. Why.

Speaker 13 (03:05:26):
I think part of it is because of the whole
thing of money and press. Like if you're in the
Episco church, you know you respond to the bishop. If
you have like the cathedral for example, it has a
hell of a budget that it has to meet. If
it were out in the streets every day, they can

(03:05:47):
lose a lot of money with that, so there's a
balance they have to work. They feel there has to
be a balance, and Reverend we met with the dean
of the cathedral for lunch last week and he's on
his way. He is committed, but he also is juggling

(03:06:08):
a huge enterprise and we need.

Speaker 11 (03:06:11):
Both right and we're just flat out of time here.
Revend Paul Smith, I want to thank you, thank you
for standing in for Ambassador Young and also Candon Hamlin
as well. Tell them we thank them, and we're going
to have this continuous conversation because you know, it's not over,
but thank you for joining us this morning.

Speaker 13 (03:06:30):
Thank you, sir all Right.

Speaker 11 (03:06:32):
Family has Reverend Paul Smith, one of the heroes of
the sixties, the civil rights, the winners. He said, talking
about non violence is something that we have to do
with the Trump administration right about now. Anyway, Family, that's
it for the day. Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, or else

(03:06:53):
if you're in the DMV, we're on FM ninety five
point nine at am fourteen fifty WOL

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