Dr. King’s FBI Files, Black Cemetery Fight, and Justice

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Later,
the founder and president of the Transformative Justice Coalition, we'll
check into our classroom. Attorney Barbara Nwine will discuss the
Trump administration's release of doctor King's FBI files, also the
John Lewis Day of Action, and actor Malcolm Jamal Warner.
But before Attorney on Wine, the writer Tim Murphy w

(00:55):
review this article on the Dark Enlightenment that was published
in Mother Jones magazine. Prior to Tim, Sister Marshall update
us on the fight to save a Black cemetery, and
Professor Maryland momentarily holistic. Doctor Patrick Dells will check in.
But let's get Kevin to open the classroom doors for
us this morning. Grind Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Hey, Grand Rising, Carl Nelson, I got the big ring
of keys here, like Captain Kangaroo.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
I keep getting, I keep getting that idea.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
You know, your jingles the keys, and you can open
every door, you know, with that whole idea of just
making the best of the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
How you feeling, Carl Nelson?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm still learning you know, somebody said we should have
a whistle or a bell, you know, like when class starts.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
I forgot to tell they're told a bell. Now what
school was that?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Okay, I remember elementary school there was the instructor had
a big bell that she would ring. Yeah, okay, have
a whistle lower bell.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, they're to tell Kevin you know, Sir John mckey's
whistle of bell.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
You know in LA. But we did.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
We had drums, we had and Dick greg we did
the opening for us and it was one of Bob
Marley's songs. Yeah, I think of the song now, but
but all of a sudden, you just hear the drums
beating it. And that was back in Africa. That's when
you know, they send messages and let people wake people up.
They started slow drumming and then it gets fast, it
gets faster. So that was that. Yeah, that's how we

(02:24):
open up the program back in LA. And then you
hear the Gregor's voice, Yeah, good morning family.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Page. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
They used to do that at the Money Temple too.
Oh okay, yeah, well we actually used it. I actually
used to here when I got here first, but other
folks didn't understand it. They didn't understand that whole method
of what the drum was all about, so they changed
it to the one we're having now.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
I forgot. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Okay, well man, you're you're such a wealth of knowledge.
To imagine that. I love the way you say you're
still learning, but you're such a wealth.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Not that you bring along.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's a fact that we sit in the classroom care
and I get to talk to all these incredible people,
like the bunch we've coming up now and you learned.
It's like I'm in class every day. I'm just just
messmize how much stuff like, you know, you didn't know.
You got to recognize that you don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
And you know, I'm like, wow, sitting at the edge
of the edge of the chair, in the front of
the class, in.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Front of the class, one of those students.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, you have to be you know, a doctor Ben
doctor Clark van Cema, you know, doctor Welson just named
all these great scholars that we've had and you and
you you're sitting up front and hearing it, and you
you have to you're conducting it, so you have to
hear every word. So that's that's where it comes from.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Well, today we memorialize another ancestor who America loved America, Black, America, white.
Everybody in America loved the late great Malcolm Jamal Warner.
In my humble opinion, everybody. He was the kind of
guy you just couldn't you couldn't resist he was. He
was so super talented, played bass guitars, sang dance, did

(04:11):
his acting thing, and like you said, grew up before
us inside of the COSB universe.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
What do you say, Yeah, Malcolm Jamon Warner. And one
of the things, Kevin, he played that role field we
could all recognize, as you know, a young brother growing
up even though he was in a rich family, but
he had all all all the stuff that he went through,
you know, went through his children. He grew up in
front of the camera with us. So a lot of

(04:41):
people feel some sort of affinity towards him, like he's
like a brother, you know, it's like a cousin.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well that and that's also the genius of Bill Cosby,
who was an educator, so a lot of his scripting,
I think, you know, he went into not only his
own life, but then he found talents such as Malcolm
Jamal Warner who could portray that eloquently. And execute what

(05:09):
it seems that Bill Cosby would write. Now, the young
man Malcolm Jamal Warner was born August eighteenth, nineteen seventy
and July twenty, twenty twenty five, at the ripe young
age of fifty four years old. He will be long remembered.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
He left the legacy.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
He did that.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, let me jump in and ask you what do
you think he'll be remembered for? Because she mentioned yea
he was after the Cosby Show. Do you think he'll
be remembered for fil or these other roles?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well, because of the way the media is promoting him
and saying, you know, from the Cosby Show and Da
da da, it's hard to Oh, it's hard to get
from under the shadow of the name Cosby, because he
definitely did a lot, and Bill Cosby did a lot
in the world and and then some whereas like you said,

(06:07):
Malcolm Jamal Warner was introduced to us as that young
man with Bill Cosby. But I like what he did.
I like the work he did after that. I like
when he did the Eddie and Malcolm Show.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
I liked he was.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
He was also in suits, the TV shows suits that
introduced many of us to the Duchess of Wales, Meghan
what was the name, Meghan Mark? Meghan markles so and
he was in that, he was in suits and every
time he would show up in some show as a
special guest, you would go, that's the oh.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
But you know what, Kevin, what you just said is
very important. Many of our young actors, not just black
but white, you know, as teenagers, children actors. Yeah, they
struggle after this the series is on and I can
think about different strokes and what's on what's happened those actors? Man,
Because after those series closed and the adulation is gone,
the fan base, nobody's calling you. You're not calling you

(07:07):
for roles. They go through some changes. I want to
go because I know some of them personal and both
of the on both those shows, they went through some changes.
But not him. He seemed to, you know, he seemed
to bounce back, as you mentioned, grewing to other roles
for many of them.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
In Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
When you get that theme and so early and the riches,
you don't know what to do with it because one
day it's rolling like like the faucet, non NonStop, and
then it goes drip, drip, drip, and then the tap
has turned off, nobody's calling you, your money's drying up.
You don't know what to do. But he managed to
you know, he managed to sidestep that.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Well.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Well, you know when you speak of optics, you know
life is young and young. You know, there is day
and night, there is you know, joy and pain. So
there's nothing saying he didn't go through some changes now,
because you know, I wonder how many times was he
type cast when he walked in and said he probably.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Also do this.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
But he overcame all of that, I think because of
his ground and he talked about his dad. His dad
used to make him write reports about you know, Pan
African folks in our history. Mary MacLeod, Befu and Malcolm
X heyah gave him reports and he had to write that.
So he was sort of grounded. He didn't he says,
at the time he was eight, nine, ten eleven, he

(08:27):
didn't understand even he thought it was sort of punishment.
But once he grew older, once he got on the
Cosby Show, especially got on the Car, he understood who
he was because all that was his dad was, you know,
he granted him who you are as a black man,
and he understood that and it was sort of reinforced
with working with Cosby.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Well, Bill Cosby reacts to Malcolm Jamal Warner's drowning. He
says that that tragic death reminds him of late of
his late son's murder, and he says, Malcolm was doing
what he loved when he died. He was with his
family and that is a good thing. And it just
reminds us how, you know, we all should learn to swim,

(09:06):
you know, and not that Malcolm Jael Jamal Warner didn't
know how to swim. It was something about the tide
when he was in Costa Rica that he got pulled under.
But it's just tragic when you look at it that way.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Man, Yeah, Yeah, the current on the current pulled him in. Yeah,
it is tragic.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Uh huh.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
So we're going to continue to talk about the late
Malcolm j Jamal Warner in many different ways and in
other news though, we're also talking about the ex Louisville
officer who was sentenced to thirty three months in relation
to Breonna Taylor's killing. What do you think of that,

(09:52):
Carl thirty three months?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Thirty three months because yeah, wanted him to serve one day. Well,
you know, basically free because it's time serf, because he
was in jail for one day. The Justice Department, that's
what they recommended. And I think we said Trump's Justice Department.
Somebody said not to say Trump's Justice department. Whose is it?
You know, he says it's because Donald Trump is one

(10:15):
that says it's his Justice department. We're not saying that.
He says it's his Justice department. So that was their recommendation.
And I think Attorney Malie Schabaz talked about this on Monday.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well, according to The Washington Post, the Trump administration said
last week that the case should not have been prosecuted period.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
So there's that us.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
The strict Judge, Rebecca Grady Jennings issued her decision during
a sentencing hearing attended by Brett Hankinson's defense lawyers and
members of Taylor's family, who demanded a long jail sentence.
And Hankinson will face three years, you know, roughly in
a little less.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Than three years.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
The price for killing your black woman? Is that the
price now that's on our lives? Was it three less
than three years?

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Well that's her question from Elik, who knows what that
whole Justice system. What that Jewish pudence with the defense
and prosecution works out, and you know how how juries
decide and how judges judge. Leave all that for some

(11:24):
television drama, Carl, not my opinion, I'm not calling all right.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Let's move on though.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Let let's bring in our realistic I guess holistic doctor
Patrick Delves. Thank you, Doctor Delp's grand rising, welcome to
the program.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
The morning, my brother today, we're still learning to learn.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Let me ask you this though, as a holistic doctor,
all of our medical problems of it's all diet, really
refer to it because of what we eat. That's why
we have these medical arms or with our bodies, just
like what are my bills? At some point, some something's
gonna break down. You're gonna battery, any tires or carburet
or something. How do you see that as a holistic doctor.

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Well, you know, as there is a saying that we
are what we eat, Yeah, that's not really true. I
believe that we are what we excrete. Yeah, so you know,
as we get older, you know, the body is like
a vehicle. You know, they have if you're gonna have
a gas pump, it have an oil filter, it has

(12:34):
pass plugs and have lots of different things the body
functions that we also so when we get older, these organs,
if we don't take care of the organs when we
were younger. I always tell young people today, I said,
listen to me, young people, whatever you do today to
your body, that's negative. It's gonna cataput you when you
get older. You know what I'm saying. So in reality

(12:56):
of our body kind of like we could be a perfect
the organs start to, you know, get older. So for instance,
at the age of fifty, we don't produce six percent
of the pankatic enzymes from the extra came part of
the pancreas. And that's what a lot of older to
to get diabages a little faster if they don't know

(13:19):
to keep the pancrets healthy when they get older. That's
the more one. Number two, once you part of the
age of fifty, we do not produce fifty percent of
the hydrochloric acid that is an old stomach. So then
a lot of older people seem to get called ecohedria,
meaning that they don't have a lot of acid. And
so so we have to look at all these you know,

(13:42):
chemical makeup and breed them of the body when we
get older. But if we can start doing good things
to the body when we were when we are younger,
it takes a longer time for us for that body
to deteriate faster. So that's that's to your question, sir.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Well, let me ask you this though, doctor Patrick Dalees,
what do you consider old? He said, fifty old?

Speaker 5 (14:09):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
I said, when we get it to the age of
fifty of our body to do fit put on it.
I don't believen. I don't like to use the word. Oh,
like to use the word you know age. You know
we elder elders, so you know, we go. Oh, he's
got a lot of a lot of young people are
old too. Year see what I'm saying. We've got to
get in cancer very young too. But we have now
we have a fifteen year old young brother, you know

(14:32):
African American that have called and cancer, so you can
you can like my mom lives to be ninety seven
years of age, my dad lives to be ninety four.
My grandmother lives to be one hundred and two. You
see what I'm saying. So it's it's according no, no, no,
the time we are living in today, the food chain

(14:56):
is totally different than when your mom and my you know,
was alive because they use they eat the foods from
the ground, but they used to walk a lot because
there was not a lot of vehicles. Are wrong at
that that that particular time. That's number one. Number two,
the foods know that it's under the ground is more

(15:18):
detrimentous than the food that is over the ground. You
see what I'm saying. So I explain.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
That one for us though, about the food that's under
the ground and food is above the ground, Explain what
do you mean by that?

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Well, the food that is under the ground, like potatoes, Yeah,
they're food that is from under the ground, and they
pick up more of the chemicals that there is no
no spray because you have a lot of these farmers
they're using grown wrounging up, they're using grammar zoon, they
use the miracle grow. They use a lot of chemicals.
So you usually know the food that is under the
ground is most touches. You know, they're more carbohydrates, you

(15:54):
know what I'm saying. So they're they're they're more sugars.
The foods that is over the ground so we're talking
about grapes, we're talking about apples, we'll be talking about lettuce,
to be talking about tomatoes, you know, peppers. They're over
the ground. But although some of them have lots of sugars,
like the groups, for instance, they have more carotenoids, they

(16:17):
have more terpenoids, they have more uh flavonoids, meaning that
they have they have this compound that acts as antioxidants
and they also help to keep the the capillary healthy
and strong so that they don't collapse when we get older.
And that's the reason why I said that we should

(16:37):
be using the food that is over the ground than
the foods under the ground.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
See whot right there, doctor, We've got to get a shortbreak.
And when we come back though, because you mentioned earlier
that you're treating a youngster, a young person that's got
colon cancer. There's been an increase in colon cancer in
our community.

Speaker 8 (16:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
And is there something we're doing wrong or something folks
are doing wrong, or something they should do or you
know it help us out with that aspect if you will. Family,
you've got a health concern, you want to speak to
doctor Patrick Delves reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six on
ticket phone calls.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Next.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Tuesday, Marty, I guess doctor Patrick Dels. Patrick
Dels is one of the most respected and most sought
after holistic doctors they have on the planet these days.
To get a requests from all over the country and
from Africa as well. There's a lot of folks in
Ghana use Doctor Del's. I know in Miami and the Caribbean,
they know all I know about Dr Patrick delle So,

(18:00):
and they will be telling me for years. We've got
to get him on the radio because they claim that
you created a done miracle. Says to what they say,
Doctor Dale's. But before the break though, I was asking
you about the colon incidents of colon cancer that seems
to be increasing in our community.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
What is the cause of that? Is that reversible?

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Oh yeah, Well, it's not only cool and cancer. There
is lots of kidney disease and kidney phili in the
black community also, And I just want to mention it
before we talk about colon cancer. We have lots of
our younger people know whos dying from kidney disease kidney failure.
There is one hundred and twenty three thousand people or
more in America alone that is written for a kidney

(18:42):
transplant and there are only seventeen toesand kidneys available, So
a lot of people want to die from that. Many
way from kidney disease that is now in the Black community,
we have lots of people suffering from diabetes which can
damage the kidney. Lots of people in the community known
in the black community suffered from hyper pressure which can
cause kidney fedia also, so we have to look at

(19:03):
those now. If we were taught by the medical system
about king taking care of the body, you know, cancer
would develop because cancer is a preventable disease because eighty
percent of cancers come from the deet. Only twenty percent
of cancers come from from the environment, which is things
of non hotskins. Them forma multiple my loma cancer the bones,
you know, leukemias there from the stem cells or the

(19:25):
plasma cells. So there are more cancers from the environment.
If you exposed to certain chemicals, for instance, you know,
wrongdom can cause non hopskins them forma but colon cancer
is a preventable disease and can be treated. Because we
treated Professor a couple other people who had TAG three
coal and cancer. Mean the cancer left the cold and

(19:46):
into the liver and he still carries cancer free. And
although they did chemoty and the radiation. Now I want
to mention this though we as herbalists, not all of us,
but I did. Eastern medicine really a lot of us
if they can is active. So we're talking about cancer
stem cells. Yeah, now, chemotherapy and radiation do not kill

(20:07):
cancer stem cells. So colon cancer because a lot of
our people in the I really come to the African
American community, I don't really you know. I mean I
love everybody, but I have a specialm of people like Malcolm.
It did now lots of the time is what we eat.
So we have one third of certain cancers that colon

(20:28):
cancers come from the genes like the P fifty four
gene for stomach cancer, you have the backup gene for
best cancer. But with colon cancer is remember that you
have the digestive system, you have the stomach, you have
the pancreas, you have the small intestines, and you have
the Latin Testines, not the Latin Testines. If you call

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the colon is a garbage collector. That's all it does
collect garbage. Now, in the olden days, when we were
growing up in the Caribbean countries, our appearance is to
always give us a cleansing with what you call a
washout before we go back to school. So usually they
knew for a fact that that particular organ was a

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south system. And because they knew that that organ, if
it's kept clean, is going to call the other organs
to breed better because it is part of the earth system,
meaning that it's just parted works with the small interestines,
the pancreas and as to the stomach, because the pancreas
are the most active gland in all diaster system yep.

(21:32):
So if we knew, if we knew better, we now
supposed to train our children to keep those areas they're
clean because that is where mostly eighty percent of the
disease is start from the digestive system. So because lots
of people are constiputed, they're not going to the bathroom.
They have trouble with lots of movements of the foods

(21:56):
moving from one piece of the next to the next
day exact time the lot. So people are eating in
an incompatible way, meaning that they're not combining foods well,
so the food becomes stagnated in years and years of
doing that can cause that particular organ called called the
colon to be congested. And when it becomes congested because

(22:17):
there's a p H called potential hydrogen in that area,
because it says a garbage collector, it starts to accumulate
for melde high in excess. It starts accumulating skettle in excess,
start losing the good bacteria where are supposed to protect
that organ called they are called the colon because the

(22:37):
eighty percent of the of our immune system is in
our blood, you know see. And then automatically the pH
start changing because you know, you have lots of waste
material sitting in that organ. So the question to You're
going to ask the question to the audience if if
we keep our garbage in our community, in our neighborhood,
in our garbage care, and that garbage collector do not

(23:00):
collect that garbage in about a week or two and
it stays on our community, all the people are mostly
all of us in that community, is going to get
sick because the garbage is piling up there. You see
what I'm saying. It's the same principle in that organ
because it is the garbage collector and it's not moving
the garbage or on a regular basis. It's that affecting
the pH in that organ. And then all the waves matters,

(23:24):
that accumulation in that organ, and it affects the mucous
membranes in that organ. You get mucroscolitis, it affects the diverticulosis,
you get deverticulitis, it affects the walls of the colon.
Some people get con disease. And then because lots of
people not moving the bowers on a regular basis, they
get hemorrhoids that's air condition, an e rectum or they

(23:45):
get collrected cancer because all these wete materials that gather
in there, and that is the main cause of colon cancer.
And when you're lacking or not taking lots of man
or calcium also and vicum in D three, because they
play a role in protecting that organ from coming on
with cool and cancer. That's the main reason of cool

(24:05):
and cancer. A lot of people not eating properly, the
keeping that that organ messed up, gives called the garbage collector,
lots of gabage accumulated there. And knowing the gabage accumulated,
if you are prone to get cool and cancer, that's
what you gonna get. If you are prone to get
what you call liver blood, that's what you want to get.
You see becalled that organ feeds the liver too. You
see what I'm saying. So that's the reason why so

(24:26):
we find younger people now it is coming on with
not only cool and cancer, but also pankat the cancer
which is on the rise. Also see.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that with us, Doctor Tails
twenty eight minutes at the top of the our family
just joining us. I guess is doctor Patrick tells is
well respected her biologists A naturopathic doctor based in New
York city'd like to speak to him. Reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six markets checking in from Baltimore's online one
grant rise in marketing on with doctor Dell's.

Speaker 9 (24:59):
I guess morning, gentlemen, A very good discussion. I have
a sweet too, and during the summer when it gets
hot and so forth, I tend to drink a lot
of uh uh, sometimes soda or sometimes some sort of
sweet drink, and I try to avoid the sugar. So
I've been drinking sodas that have zero sugar. But I
understanding now have uh the you know, the chemical aparticide

(25:25):
or something like that. So do you have any suggestions
what kind of drink outside of water to drink because
I do like to have something sweet or anything like that,
or what do you think it's zero sugar, you know
that's the best way to go to avoid the sugar
or what what do you think?

Speaker 7 (25:45):
Well, I believe that, as I said before, the there
is two types of sugar. There is the processed sugar
and there is a natural sugar from fruits and you know,
some foods. And she goes oh. So now, as I said,
as I said earlier, or pancreas is the most active
gland in all didactive system because it's part of the

(26:08):
earth system. That's Chinese medicine. Now, if the the the
extra cant part of the pancrest produces enzymes and the
inducate part of the pancreas produces insulin, so the extra
can part produces amalas Breakdonne sugars, protein is breakdown proteins
and life breed done facts. Now, the most sugar we

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used on a regular basis, that is that is far
into that particular brand the pancrease. That is, it's going
to cause us to have acidosis. We call it as
or the pancreas because the pancrast produces alkaline enzymes right
in the in the in the secretion of the pancreas. Now,
when you use lots of sugars like that, it's a

(26:48):
fixer pancreas. Now, if you drink lots of coconut water,
that's what I do. Although the coconut water have sugars,
it it hydrates number one, you're gonna have a lot
of potassium unless you have kidney disease. It also feeds
the pancreaps that natural sugar. So the pan cos not
produces these enzymes in the extra fact that the head

(27:09):
the sugar to breed done naturally. So my advice is
to try to use a little bit of more coconut water,
or you can use some I what I do is
I use I will do some some some cherries, or
I will juice some grapes with with the seeds or
an apple, and that will that will take up that
will compensate for the for the sodar pups or the

(27:30):
sugar for this from the form the juices that have
lots of you know photos, so that so I would
say coconut water is the best way to go for
the time being. Yes, sir, okay, I will work on it.

Speaker 9 (27:41):
Listen, thank you so much. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
Welcome to all right, Thanks Mark.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Back to the coconut water thing.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Though doctor tails, most of us can't get, you know,
coconut like like you can get in the Caribbean, regular
cocon coconuts from the tree by it in the can
or or in these plastic bottles. Is that still is
that still nutritious? If you buy the coconut water in
the cans or in the plastic bottles, you.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Know, I I don't call it coconut water. I call
it puponut water. So that's that coconut water. And I
buy the coconut water is fresh from the coconut. In
New York, there's a lot of places that sell these
coconut water. So I think they able to set educate
our people in the black community because a lot of
four people don't drink as lots of water, so we

(28:24):
don't get it. I don't know how bad tom or
Maryland is in terms of that, But in New York
there's a lot of places that sell these coconut water
but in the plast in the plastic bottlers, man, garbage,
brother anything that, anything that's gonna stay stay on the shelf.
You know what I'm saying, we're y without preservatives. You
know what I mean, They're gonna spoil. But I want

(28:45):
to stand the sherve with the preservative. Now, if you're
if the cells don't want to use that food from
the front of the water, from the from the from
the shelf, because they have a preservative in there, what
makes we what makes us feel that our cells he's
going to accept the same food as on the shell.
They ain't make no sense because because the bat to
you don't want them. So if the bat to you

(29:07):
don't want these foods, what made us feel that ourself
is gonna want these foods? Also, the old food said
need fresh foods, fresh water. See if you want to
have a water in a can or in a buffalo,
in a it's crazy everything it's fresh. When everyone from
the water itself. You know, it's through the garbage. I don't.

(29:27):
I don't do that all period.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Twenty years away from the top of the found. He's
just waking up with us. I guess it's doctor Patrick Delves.
He's a holistic doctor based in New York. It's well
known throughout the Caribbean, throughout Africa as well. There's a
lot of his clients that live over there.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Doctor Tayl's Marco just called there and mentioned that he
he wants something sweet. He's got sure and some people
feel that way too, they have to have something sweet. Uh,
how do you how do you deal with that? Because
I've heard that the sugars is what causes cancer, and
I explain if that part is true as well.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
Oh well, when you have cancer, remember we have our cells.
Our cells produces ATP and that gives the cells energy.
That's what the natural cells do. They produce that particular
particular energy products and sugars. So in this in the
natural cells, there is sugar, yes, natural sugar that is
now and the natural sugar mixed with oxygen to create

(30:23):
ATP to give the cells energy. Yeah, now that it's
the cells. Now they need more sugars and less oxygen
because they can live in oxygen also to make triple
off the ATP that the natural cells make, you see
what I'm saying. So that's why they're saying to us
that when you have cancer, you have to look at sugars,

(30:45):
which is true because as I said before, the amount
of sugar that the cancer cells needs is more for
him to make ATP see less oxygen. So what we
try to do is be's chemistry. Now we try to
feel eat the cancer sells more oxygen and less sugars.
And when we feed him more oxygen, he can't survive

(31:08):
in oxygen too much because he gets stressed out, so
he starts drinking, you know what I'm saying. So that's
why they really that's the reason why they said sugars
is bad for cancer, which is true. But what type
of sugars though? Is it processed sugars or natural sugars?
You know what I'm saying. So when we when we
use the word sugar bad for cancer, we have to
know what what type of sugar were going to use

(31:28):
for cancer treatment or what sugar is going to use
for diabetes. So appost to have diabetes and have a
sugar level of one hundred and fifty million plus a liter.
We don't give them sugars because the pancarts is going
to be it's going to be the reason of sugar faster.
But if it's if it's, if it's, if it's, if

(31:49):
it's you know, uh, complex carbohydrates. The complex carbohydrates cause
your sugar to go up throw and come down fast,
whereby the refined, the refined carbohydrates causes you got to
go up slow. I mean if I'm fast and come
down slow because picking sugar a little faster. So in
cancer treatment, what we do if we look at the

(32:10):
sugars that we give the person. So we're given five
grams four grams, not fifteen grams, not twenty five grams
of sugar. You know what I'm saying, Because we know
for our fact that the cancer needs lots of sugar.
That makes ATP. The more ATP that cancer sells make
is the more you cancer spread. Because no, the cancers
not to create what we call blood vessels and then
the undefeed. So what we do is we look at

(32:33):
the cancer stem cells. Yeah, we look at the macrophages.
We look at the T one and T two lymphocytes.
And then we look at those and say, you know what,
the cancer stem cell is going to cause your system
to accept more of the tumors that as cancer stems

(32:54):
tells make. So in order for us to prevent that
cancer them cells from what from what? From making vessels?
We go to what. We go to the blueberries, let's sugars,
your raspberries, let's sugar. The strawberries les sugar because they
have less sugars, but they have antioxidant and they have
lots of turp noise. So what to do is the

(33:15):
strengthen the blood vessels. They strengthen the walls so that
that cancer cell can create more the vessels. So although
we talk about cattle with sugars, you have to look
at the food that have the sugar that the help
to prevent the cancers themselves from create more blood vessels.
I hope I answer a question, my brother.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, you sure it did. They will come up on
a breaking and the tweeters are up already. I got
a couple of tweet questions for you. The first one says,
please ask the doctor about anxiety. I have anxiety problems.
Is there a treatment for that? Or is it an
emotional issue. I'll tell you hold your response to the
doctor Jael's we got to check the take our first
look at the news trafficking weather out different cities. I

(33:54):
like to respond to that when we get back. And
also got another tweet question about the water as well
for your family. You two can join our conversation. Got
into health issues or just want some more clarification on
some other doctor told you. Reach out to doctor Patrick
Delves at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls after the
latest news trafficking weather.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's next to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Thank Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Tuesday morning, this twenty second day of July.
I guess he's doctor Patrick Del's. He's a holistic doctor
based in Brooklyn, New York, and we were talking about health.
You've got a health challenge or a question or a
dietary or anything like that, reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
before we go back to doctor del So let me

(34:57):
just remind you a couple late this morning, we're going
to hear from Attorney Arba on Watch. She's going to
discuss the Trump administration's release of doctor King's FBI files. Also,
Tim Murphy's going to draw us. He's a writer. He's
going to review an article on the Dark Enlightenment. You've
heard markam Manaheim talk about the Dark in Alignment. He
wrote a well. Tim wrote an article in the Mother
Jones magazine, and it's going to tell us about that.
If you want to understand where this country's going to

(35:19):
make sure you listen. Prior to Tim, though, Sister Marshall
is going to update us on the fight to save
a black cemetery Butthesston, Maryland has been going on for years,
and later this week you and hear from the founder
of the National Conference of Black Mayors, Johnny Ford, also
President General of the Universally African Peoples Organization, Brother Zaki
brewerdy an author, doctor Tyrene right tool Jonas. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure your raders locked him

(35:39):
tied on ten ten WLB. If you're in the dmv
R on FM ninety five point five and AM fourteen
fifty wol All right, doctor Dell's before we left, I
told you Tweter wanted to know about anxiety, says she
has anxiety problems and she wants to know. Is it
a physical issue or is it an emotional issue?

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Can be both, because anxiety can be boughtom by physical
trauma and it can be boughten by emotional trauma. Also,
although anxiety is a natural phenomenon because as I said before,
if when we meet when we're young, we meet a girl,
we want to meet a girl, we want to she's
so excited, that's anxiety, you know, But that's good anxiety.

(36:20):
So a lot of the times you a lot of
a lot of times we we we attack anxiety when
it affect the indoquing glands. So we're talking about the
adrenal glands fight and flight response. So lots of women
who are going to menopause can also get anxiety too,
you know, because it affects the adrenals from the partitu
gland in the brain. If it's not from menopause, then

(36:42):
we have to look at what the person is going
through in terms of emotions. You know, if somebody died,
if they have trouble them job, you know what I'm saying.
So we have to look at the course of the anxiety. Now,
when a person of anxiety, there are herbs that we
use in the Global Kingdom called adapted genes. Adapted the

(37:02):
plants mean that these herbs help the person to adapt
to the stressful environment that they're living in, so they
work on their adrenals. So we're talking about Ashwaganda, Urbans,
Cassande Berry, I'm working one herbs us called caps are
going to what's going to with with the adrenal glands.
So for us to repair anxiety, we have to know

(37:24):
what is causing the anxiety. It can come from hyberd pressure,
it can come from cancer, you know, so you have
to look at what is the cause of it. And
once we know the cause of the anxiety, then we
can give the appropriate plants that will help the person
to adapt. So that's stressful environment that causes them to
have the anxiety. Especially the B vitamins they're good for

(37:47):
that anxiety. Magnesia was good for anxiety too. B five
especially is very significant for anxiety and when you have it,
when you're having troubles from the medula of the of
the other context, the medula of the adrenaline, and so
a lot of BE five is good too. But as
I said before, we have to find out what is
causing the anxiety, you know. So we have a product

(38:08):
called indoquine and nerve from it that helps to work
on the indoquent glands to help anxiety, but also strengthen
the nerves so that they don't affect the pusman in
a negative way. You know. So it's a called the
other in the cause. If you don't find the cause,
you can't fix the problem.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Yeah, gotcha. Thirteen from the Top Doctor.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
Deals, come out to Maryland. We're going to have a
nice seminar day. You want to come out, you go
and ask questions. We're going to talk to the piece
the people there and then we're going to find out
what is causing these troubles.

Speaker 11 (38:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (38:36):
So I have to come out on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Don't forget right Saturday at Eli reshaand we'll give you
have that information before you leave. And thirteen away from
the Top of Doctor Dales, Cliff and Connecticut has a
question for you online one Grand Rising Cliff. You're on
with doctor Dell's.

Speaker 12 (38:50):
Hey grand version, brother Karl and to the to the
doctor question, Doctor what's the best way to treat nail
focus or nail discoloration and then all So part two
to that is fasting a good idea in terms of
health wise and how long so nail fungus.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
And then fasting. Now hang up the slavery spine. Very great,
great question. Now I advise lots of people in America.
They have four seasons, and you have the summer, you
have the fall, you have the winter, you have the spring.
And I always teach people that every season we should
always bring in a program to accept the foods that

(39:31):
is in that season. That's number one, number two. Every
three months we always advise our people to do a
yeast and parasite plans. Yeah, because it's very significant because
a lot of people have lost a parasite and the
penititious too.

Speaker 11 (39:44):
Now, once the.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Power size or the yeast is in the intestine, that
is it can give the omen an east infection two
from the intestine that's where you come from, to the
full fifty part of the liver, so it affects the name.
Then they are bed. So what we do is when
the person to have a fungus between the toes and

(40:06):
the nails, we go to the intestine again. The sood
system or the digestive system and we remove all the
sugars from the dead because we know for a fact
that when you have a fungus, sugars. We know for
a fact when you have a fungus, it's because lots
of the mucin in the membranes and the mucous memorye
that is is enormous, lots of mucous from the mucous membranes.

(40:27):
So we avoid you from even sugars, no sugars at all,
because funguses like sugars, parasite like sugar, cancer like sugars.
So what we do is we remove all the sugar
from the dead and we go to all the inside.
We give you what we call bitter Bitter as a
plan that helps to remove not only part site but
also yeast. So we're talking about black walnut, we're talking

(40:47):
about warm wood, we're talking about tapuliaco, we're talking about marigold.
They help to take in to the feast on the inside.
While we're working on the inside, we go on the
outside with tea treeol on a nail bed. Once we
do that, we can get through the fungus by putting
you on a program. It's called a seventy to fourteen
day program called eyas and fast eye program that we
get that will get get through the fungus faster and

(41:09):
is significant. I fast on a regular basis every six weeks.
I fast for seven days. Sometimes if I'm strong enough,
I go for twenty one days. Because faster and is
significant and the reason the reason very fast and is significant.
All the properts fast for most sages of the old fast.
You know what I'm saying for spiritual, mental and physical rejuvenation.
So faster and is significant. It's just that I try

(41:30):
to teach people today that if you're going to fast,
start off with one day per week, and then you
can groom yourself into two days and then three days.
Because it's not the easiest thing to fasten. All if
before like that's going to like food. So if you
can fast, when you're fasten, you are arresting your organs,
and then the process of these organs are regenerate and
properly because you're not overloading these organs with foods and

(41:51):
making it become blooded. So fast and it is very significant.
And I advise a lot of people to fast on
a regular base.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Turn away from the top. You just thinking about fasting,
Doc I tried that and I got headaches fast I
can even make one day. So how do you how
do you get over that? Because I understand there's a
procedure you can do to get over the headaches and
some point to normal.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
It's showing you fast and though you have what we
called liver fire raise and headache. Liver fires and headache
means that the liver is heated, because then you're fast,
and and the liver is be moving all the toxin
into the blood stream, so then it start giving that
what we call it headache. We call it a liver fire,
a liver fire rise and headache, meaning that you come
from the liver because the liver is moving the toxing

(42:35):
too fast. You know what I'm saying. So it's always
good to do. I don't believe in what the fast.
I believe in in just doing a cleansing and then
you do for the full. They can do some cucumbers,
or if you you're getting a headache, you can do
some some Jamaican dogwood or some willow bar and that's
what helps with the headache. And you give the liver.
You kind of head the liver a little bit like

(42:57):
giving the liver a little bit of maybe some water pressed,
and then that will stop the headache. You know, if
you want to fast, you get a headache, and that
will help a lot too.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
Do you get Do you get headaches when you fast.

Speaker 12 (43:09):
On the second day?

Speaker 7 (43:10):
I do, yeah. But thirdly, I'm good. It happens to
me sometimes, you know, if that's that's if I take
a longer time to fast, because I fast timely six weeks.
But because I'm so busy, sometimes I just choice a lot.
But you know, I have to go here and there,
and sometimes I will take maybe about two months before
I after that before I fast, and when I when
I when I do the two months and about the
second day, I will get hungry, I will get a headache,

(43:32):
but I know the headache is gonna go away. So
what I do is I either use the white blow
bag or I use peppermine oil on the on the
on the on the points in the minute court. It's
called the K one three points in in medicine, in
Eastern medicine. And I robe that he won three point
with some pepperminte oil. And then I could put acupunction

(43:53):
needle right in the base of the tomb between the
tomb and the second finger, and that cause on to
the to the to the part of the bring called
the context, and then my head could go away eventually
at least my start. The ailer say, you can try
that also, Okay, that will help.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
All right, Let me ask you this because you mentioned
a lot of products, though, how can we get these products?
Can we go into any helpful So if we're not
in New York, we can get down to your stores.
I know you probably carry these products. But people listening
around the country, how can they get these products? Can
they order them from your Well?

Speaker 7 (44:23):
We ship all over the world, you know. We have
we have a web We have a website. It's called
Patrick Doves Holytic Healing dot com. I have about thirty
seven different products. I have products for ease and product sets.
I have products for the nerves. I have products anxiety.
I have products from memory for the brain. I have
products for high pressure. Products for cancer. You know, we
have a product called and your Blockers that prevent cancer

(44:44):
from cretem blood vessons that we could We learned, you know,
we learn every day. We learned from doctors. I learned
from doctor doctor Mitchell Gainer, very very important cancer specialists
and use natural products. So because I work with doctors,
I don't work I don't just work alone. I work
with doctors Battian Peters, I work with doctor Dagohami, the chariologists,
so we educate each other, you know what I'm saying.

(45:04):
So you know, you can always go to the website.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
And find my product there and at sticks away from
the top of our family. I got to ask doctor
doctor Telsay. She says, she works with medical doctors. How
did they because you know, do they see the sort
of competition because then they're treating people with pharmaceuticals, You're
treating them with natural natural herbs.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
If you will, you see, it's not about competition, brother,
It's about learning from each other. Some doctors that open
mana some and now so a lot of cancer patients
that would doing the chemotary radiation even look at the
chemoda that they've taken. So for instance, there's a chemo
drug called taxol or sis platin, and these two these
two drugs come from herbs. So taxol come from a

(45:45):
drug called you by E. W and since platin come
from called Perry Wrington. You know what I'm saying. So
what it did was they removed the six chemicals from
the Perry clients and keep the two chemicals for cancer
and called called the drug says patent. So what I
do is the person want to take the chemotherapy and
I say, you know, misters, you know I want I

(46:06):
want to take some chemotherapy. I say, okay, that's up.
There is a poison doom because kill go to bad cells.
So what I do. I will talk to the to
the oncologists and I will say, you know what the
person ticket says, platten menu for a fat. That's the
platin killer cells in the stomach. So you don't get appetite,
you can't eat. And if you can't eat, you can't fix. No,
can't say either, so give them some bitters. So I

(46:26):
will give the person the bitters. I will give them
some knack or some group to tyrone. And what the
group and the neck do. They prevent the chemotherapy from
killing the good cells while the chemo kill the bad
cells for the person could survive. That's all I work
is the person I had disease. I talked to them
a nephew, the cardiologists, hee, the heart surgeon. I will say,
you know you're giving the person the oxine or anoxyes

(46:48):
the drug for heart failure, or they giving them alphetther
pin or novax it's or caltums and the blocker, or
to give them an inhibitor. I will look at the
east inhibita because it is inhibited hibita. What it does
like none loss and lestra. What they do is they
increase potassium in the blood and they drop your zink
and think is long as the time as planned. So

(47:09):
I will sit to the person if you want it.
If you want to take the medication, you can. But
if you're taking an Asian hypotab, WILL give you some
zinc and I will make sure that the doctor gives
you a director or I will give you some herbs
that will remove the excessive amount the potassium from the
blood so that you can get stupens on a heart.
It's saying that's so I work. You know, it's the
person want to come up the medication. Now, I will say, okay,

(47:32):
how long you are on the medication or five years?
One one for a year, yeah, five months, cause that's
what I had took up. It took myself nine months
come off my medication when I had hyper pressure. I
had a stroke when I was very young, So I
will tell the person, okay, I will walk to the
doctor and say, okay, I'm going to wean you off
the medication. So I put the person on a program
for hybrid pressure. I put the person on a program

(47:52):
for diabetes, and then the process that checking the sugar levels,
checking the pressure levels, and then they wean themselves for
the medication. Did until they come off.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
For me, it works, you know, pulldo throway there, doc,
because we come up on a break. But the tweeter,
I forgot to ask you this, this tweet question, and
I'll let you respond when we get back from the break.
The tweeter says, is bottle water stored in plastic full
of chemicals and bad for us? Should we be boiling
all water the old fashioned way and letting it sit
to cool off before we use it? And I'll let

(48:20):
you respond when we get back. But we got to
check the traffic and weather in our different cities three
minutes away from the top of there with our guest,
doctor Patrick Delves, got a question for him and reach
out to us at eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone
calls after the traffic and weather update.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
What's the next.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
You're Fucking with the Most Submissive The Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
You're fucking with the Most Submissive.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Thank Grand Rising Family, Thanks for checking in with us
on this Tuesday morning. I guess this doctor perhaps you delves,
he's one of the most sort of after holistic doctors
in the country. It's got a huge client base, many
of them on the continent, in the Caribbean and all
of the especially New York City where he's based, and
in Miami as well. I've been telling us for years
he's the next covenant of doctor sab I don't like

(49:32):
to compare holistic doctors, but this is what that's his reputation. Momentarily,
we're gonna speak with doctor Marshall out of the Bayo though.
But before we do that, Doctor Tell has got a
bunch of tweet questions. If you can show up on
the responses, I appreciate it. Uh uh, let me do
the one. Let me do This one just came, so
it's on top of my phone here, he says. This
is from Sister Kitty from California. She says, could you

(49:55):
ask the doctor, what is the best thing to give
a six year old child who's receiving chemo.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
Good question. It's not according to what kind of cancer
the child have, because usually you have childhood cancers like leukemia,
my lord cancer, so you have to look at that.
Lots of the time we have what we call we
have two products for that. I've just made a new
product for that for the for young children who have cancer.

(50:23):
And I've said, before you go to the cancer the
child had either the child have leukemia or they have
my loma. They have one hotskins, so you have to
know what the cancer is. But what I did was
I go back into I went back into the Herbert
Kingdom and I created a product called stem Cells formula
because a lot of the child childhood cancers come from
the stem cells see in the bone marrow, in the
red marol. That is, so I created a product called

(50:45):
stem cells so she can give the child back. She
can't give the child the B twelve in the liquid
form because the B twelve vitamin is very significant to
call to help the nurse to nurtured these cells from
the bone marrow. You don't want to cancer to come back.
So usually when they sell little bon mara. They going
to the timers glands. So this the bee turble is
very significant. So she tried to get some bait toy

(51:06):
for the child. There's some plant that she can use.
Two that will help the bone marrow too. They have
turmerica is good for the child. She can use herry
wrinkle's good for the child, you know, because they tried
a six yell, but they could take these plant. There
was a middle called potiaco which is used in Brazil
in hospital for canter patients. Do the plant that she

(51:26):
can use they have the child seeing them. Or there's
a Chinese plant called full ling shing. Yeah, and these
are good for children who's just coming off a chemotherapy
and help the the head of themselves. So that's what
she can use. And she gonn't give me.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
A mo because I've got two more of it. I
want to get you first.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Uh is the one who asked before the break is
bottled water storing plastic full of chemicals are bad for us?
Should we be boiling all that water before we use it?

Speaker 7 (51:54):
Basically yes, especially for women. Plastic is turbo water. Should
never put in plastic borrows. And that's why I trying
to teach woman all the time. Or a black woman
is full of fibroid. Black women is full of PCs.
Black women is full of ovariancin. Black women is full
of breast cancer. Black women is full of ovarian cancer
some from the black gene too. Yeah, and because there

(52:17):
is zeno hormone in the plastic And that's what you're
trying to tell women. If you if you're gonna use
the use water, do not put that water in your refrigerator,
in your plastic because it's gonna harm you as a
woman long term. Because there was geno hormones in the
plastic bottles, in the plastic cups, in the plastic bowls
that women put the food in and put it in

(52:37):
the microwave. Oh, then it leaks these zeno hormons in
woman's food and put her at the risk of getting
groats in a uterisk. So plastic water in the plastic
is terrible.

Speaker 11 (52:47):
Period.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
I don't drink water.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I don't drink Another question for you, Please ask the
doctor of any benefits from eating all your meals within
a nine hour window, like from eight am to five.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
Yeah, great question. I don't eat in the morning. I
don't have a breakfast, you know, but I as she
said that five five pm should be the last meal
so that you can give the og the break because
all the grants that we generate in between ours of
eight pm and one am in the morning. So that's
very that's very important. But proteins should be eaten in

(53:21):
the morning, not sugars, because the pancrats are not rising
and sugar and fruits are very cool and food A
lot have these foods all mixed up. We should never
eat foods in the morning. Fruits should only be twenty
percent of that in the summer and five percent of
that in the stop in the fall, winter and the spring.
Because they're colding foods. They made the body come too cold, you.

Speaker 9 (53:42):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
So we have to learn how to use the foods together.
So proteins in the morning, fruits should be used to
use between the hours of eleven and five pm because
there's sugars, temperatures hot, it burn it up a fuel,
and at the five o'clock everything is deeper and down.
Anything should be eating nothing that is more, you know,
soups of a salad, but no heavy foods. So she's right, definitely.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Right, And this is the calling Kitty from California with
the six year old child with cancer says the cancer kidney.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
She's got kidney cancer.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
Okay, so this is kidney cancer. Now in the kidney
was removed. We have to look at a tumor. Then
we have to look at the cee. It's called sinogen
and branded antident. That's what TEMI is going to be
the cancer term because the more they hire the CEE,
the mode cancer is perple. You have to look at that.
You have to look at the CDC because lots all
cancer peace and have little as bs. So if I
can get all these numbers, I can I can tell

(54:36):
her Okay, we can use let them leave, we can
use consteps, we can use turkey tail. You know, all
these plants are good for when you have cancer in
those areas. So do the plants that we can use
for kidney cancer.

Speaker 13 (54:50):
If the cancer is.

Speaker 7 (54:51):
Getting into the into the long it's more difficult, but
more than a plant that she can use to keep
the cancer at bay. And the stem cell formula is
also significant for the six year old child.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
Yeah, all right, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Doctor Tayls. You're going to be in town in DC
you're going to be an alive restaurant. Can you tell
us the time and the day.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
The doors open at uh? I think it's four thirty
on Saturday, and I think we're going to have a
presentation starting I think at six o'clock. I believe I'm
working with a juice. I'm working with a blender. I'm
teaching and teach people who the juice how to mix
the foods together. And all these juices is gonna be
given free. Not on the no chart or make your
show up for this, how to show the juice, and

(55:32):
we're going to show you how to blend smoothies for
different ailments. So it's on it's a I think it's
Eli Restaurant, nine zero three three Central Avenue, Central Heights
and the number is three zero one three two four
six to nine hundred extend in one fourteen. I believe. Yeah,
but you all show. We're gonna have a big screen

(55:54):
and we're going to talk about all the organ system,
how they work in sync together and how they feed
off each other because of what is on enter the
only different parts. And in the process you're going to
show you the people how to prevent cancer, what to
prevent that what to prevent her disease. Because in the
black community, if Dallas's center is popping up every month

(56:17):
and we don't own these centers, they are owned by
other people. So we have to look at what we
are putting into a system to prevent or people from
going into their center because they don't own by us
at all. We owned the recipient, So that's we want
to see. So people may get to Maryland on Saturday
the twenty six of you and my brother give thanks
always right.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
It's going to be an eLife restaurant and it's usually
sold out family, so you need to get there early.
That that's in Capital Heights, wanting Capital Heights, as doctor
Jals mentioned. But for the folks who can't make it
and had questions for you though doctor Dell's, is there
a Do you have a website or an email address
they can reach you?

Speaker 7 (56:56):
Yes, So the website is Patrick Dell's the elv E
s Patrick Doves Holistic Healing dot Com. At the website,
they can go to the website and make an appointment
for a consultation. My number is uh seven one eight
seven zero four six five sixty six. They can always

(57:17):
call me because I do free I do free consultation
to not about money, you know what I mean. It's
all about teaching over people. And they can call Ambrosia
Health Foods seven one for six nine zero nine eight
five and they can make an appointment there also. But
the website is Patrick Doves Holistic Healing dot com. You
can see all my part of their part of everything
they can talk about on Earth, you know what I'm saying.

(57:38):
And then they can call the brother brother bro on
Eli Restaurant and he could make an appointment for them
also for Saturday.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
Yeah, okay, all.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Right, doctor Patrick Deals will see you on Saturday, and
thank you for all the work that you've done for us,
and say keep me n You've saved a lot of lives.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
I keep hearing.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Like I mentioned, you already know, but I don't think
the audience knows how huge you are, especially on the
continent in the Caribbean, in different cities.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
We have taken people over the Hospice Brother. Yes, I've
heard them over the Hospice Brother.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
They send me the stories. This is before I even
met you. They were telling me about what the good
work that you've been doing. So I just wanted to
pass it on and just just thank you for sharing
your work. You message all about money, it's about saving lives.
So thank you doctor Dalls.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
All right, thank you, thank you for having a.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Right see your elive on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yes, sir, thank you, alrighty uh ten after tough fee,
I was just bringing out doctor Marsha out of bail.
Sister Marsha grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 13 (58:44):
Grand Rising, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
No, We've got it.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
This is the fight that you've been doing for deck
how long I've been doing this fight to try to
save this black cemetery.

Speaker 13 (58:54):
We are trying to We've been, we've been, we've been
fighting now for over ten years. But it's not Wow,
it's not about just saving a black cemetery. It is
about saving black people. To be honest with you, because
you know, when you have a desecration, you have to
ask us of why are they desecrating a particular cemetery?

(59:17):
And ninety nine percent of the time, the reason why
they're desecrating is because they're trying to cover.

Speaker 9 (59:23):
Up a crime.

Speaker 13 (59:25):
They're trying to cover up some violence, some atrocity that
was committed against black people. And the way to do
that is just we eliminate the evidence, and that's what
we have here. And be says that we have the
county in collision with developers trying to cover up a crime.

(59:45):
That's what they're doing here.

Speaker 14 (59:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
For the folks who who don't understand what you've been
fighting for the last ten years, more than ten years,
a doctor Marsha, explain to what happened. Just bring us
up to date, what's going on.

Speaker 13 (01:00:00):
Well, maybe if you don't mind, I can give a
little history and then bring you up for people who
don't understand. So Moses African Cemetery is a sixteenth century
burial ground in the heart of a says the Maryland,
which is considered this all white upper Crest community not
in Maryland, but it's one of the wealthiest communities in

(01:00:21):
the world. And this burial ground is composed primarily, at
least on one side, African children who were kidnapped from
their families and then traffic to be deaes the Maryland
doing what European historians like to call the slave trade,

(01:00:42):
but we call it what it is. It was a
It was European barbarism. It was Europeans who didn't have
any rules or regulations, and they were just They were
slaughtering and murdering and raping black people. The ordeal was torturous,
and sixty percent of the children who would would be
kidnapped would die before the age of twelve. The age

(01:01:05):
of twelve, and then after eighteen oh seven, when tobacco
cultivation had depleted the nutrients from the soil here in Bethesda,
many of the kidnapped landowners and white historians, again like
the call plantation owners, converted their tobacco farms into human

(01:01:28):
breeding or sexual torture farms, and these farms raped and
essentially murdered African girls. In fact, we've now found in
one case where a four year old girl was being
rented out on the weekends. But I must tell you
what we have to learn from these girls is absolutely amazing.

(01:01:52):
They develop ways to survive European exploitation, They developed ways
to escape from these torture farms. They became warriors, not slaves.
They became warriors on these farms. And we have a
lot to learn from what our ancestors went through, which

(01:02:12):
is one of the reasons why you know Donald Trump
and his group are trying to get rid of black
history because they don't want us to learn the history
of our people and how they survived European exploitations, and
so in twenty twenty, particularly in the area where these
little girls are buried. There are three different sections of

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this cemetery, but particularly in the area where these little
girls are buried are buried, Montgomery County provided a permit
to a developer to excavate or dig out all of
the soil, all of the soil, all the bones, all
the funerary opjects that these little girls had left for

(01:02:55):
us as clues to how we could find them, how
could understand what they went through. Montgomery County gave a
developer a permanent so that we would never ever ever
be able to trace these little girls. And the developer
went into the cemetery and they excavated all the soil,

(01:03:16):
all the bones, all the junerary objects, packed it in
the back of about maybe fifty sixty dump trucks and
dumped it in a landfill, and dumped their bodies and
their remains in a dump and a landfill in Germantown, Maryland.
And when sees and I was there, I saw with

(01:03:38):
my own eyes and once the soils were dumped in
this landfill. There was a steamer truck and there was
a crusher truck, and they steamed and they crushed everything
they came out of the cemetery because they were about
destroying the evidence of the lives of these apps African people.

(01:04:01):
That's what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
I saw it.

Speaker 13 (01:04:05):
So they thought Montgomery County thought that once they had creamed,
once they had steamed and crushed all the remains of
these children that they had essentially murdered in Montgomery County,
that that was going to be the final solution, that
no one would ever find out about the little girls

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or the murder of African children that were kidnapped and
brought to River Road in Possessa, Maryland. But that was
the start of the Possessor African Cemetery Coalition and we
began to organize and educate our community about what happened

(01:04:51):
on River Road. We began to identify the fact that
there were four plantations on River Road. Loft Barrel, a Councilman,
Hosey Shoemaker, all of these death camps that Europeans like
to use these, you know, these little nice languages plantations.
These were death camps. These were death camps, and they

(01:05:12):
were full of African children. They weren't they were they weren't.
They weren't transporting and trafficking old people. They were transporting
youth to the United States. And so these were children
who had to gather themselves and understand what was oppressing them,
how they were being oppressed, what kind of war plan

(01:05:33):
they would come up to fight against one of the
one of the most vile, vicious systems that had ever
been developed by mankind. And that's what our children did
on River Road.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
And so, well, hold on, thought, I'll let you continue
the store. We got to step aside for a few
moments because this is important and our listeners need to
hear this family just waking up, call up a couple
of friends and telling there's a fight going on. It's
been going on for decades to save a Black Sand champfest,
maland what are your thoughts. You can speak to our
guest doctor Marshall Aberdale at eight hundred and four to
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take the

(01:06:06):
phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
And run rising family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Tuesday morning at the twenty second day of July.
I guess he's doctor Marsha Ada Bao. Sister Marsha has
been leading a fight to save a black cemetery in Bethesda, Maryland,
Moses Cemetery. And just think for a minute, family, just
just think about this. This is a cemetery of many
of our ancestors of Barrige. As a sister Marshaman said,
many of them young girls who were you know, violated

(01:06:56):
and killed and buried that cemetery. And here comes now
a new company trying to buy the cemetery. Whatever they
may have bought the cemetery. I'll let assist the Marsha
update us in that. And they're bulldozing as we speak.
The remains of our ancestors, caskets, bones, all being digged
up and tossed aside. This would not happen if this
was a pet cemetery. This is a Japanese cemetery. It's

(01:07:18):
a Jewish cemetery. The question is the total disrespect for
us as a people and our answstors are watching us.
So doctor Marshall auDA Bay, I want let you continue
telling the history and where we got to where we
are right now in this fight to save the cemetery.

Speaker 13 (01:07:32):
Okay, And also if I could just ask you your
members to please save a date which is August twenty
fifth and August twenty sixth, and I'll get back to
the history, because we are returning the court on August
twenty fifth and on August twenty sixth, and we need
the entire community to pack the courtrooms because we want
the judicial system, and we want the developers, and we

(01:07:54):
want the politicians who are in bed with these developers
to understand that the community is not going to stand
for this, That this would never happen at a Jewish
Are you kidding me? They would Their bodies would be
on the ground right now if they were trying to
dig up Jewish bodies, if you were trying to dig
up if they had done half of what they've done

(01:08:15):
at Moses Cemetery to a dog cemetery, every pet owner
throughout the United States would be out there, you know,
slinging their bodies at at you know, at the caterpillar equipment.
But but you know, but our community had We have
got to learn to appreciate what our ancestors went through,

(01:08:37):
and we have to learn how to how to learn
the strategies to learn from the genius you know, of
our ancestors, because we are always taught, like the general population,
of being insignificant, of being less than. And yet our
ancestors survived the most vicious system that the world has

(01:08:59):
ever created. It they survived, and because they survived, we're
here now and now it is our obligation to protect them.
So Montgomery County, you know, engaged and committed to a
cover up of the murders really massacres of these African
people on River Road. And we actually found out about

(01:09:23):
this quite by accident. My husband became pastor of the
church that these African descendants built called Macedonia Baptist Church
and professor of Maryland, and as first lady, I was
asked to and with my history of activism, I was
asked to take on the social justice ministry at the church.

(01:09:44):
And I went to a meeting at the Maryland Regional
Capital Parks and Planning at a meeting at the Maryland
Regional Parks and Planning Office, and they basically explained explained
that Montgomery County had a was engaged on a sector
plan program and they needed to brief the church on

(01:10:09):
the fact that they knew that there were rumors floating
around the community that there was once a cemetery across
the street or next to our church. But they wanted
to assure us, the members of this church, the descendants
of that community, that those are all lies. There was
no truth in it, that there was never a cemetery

(01:10:30):
across the street. And all they needed from us at
that meeting was just a sign off on this sector plan.
They said that they had informed us that there was
no cemetery across the street from our church. And sitting
next to me was a member which unbeknownst to them,
a member of our church who was a trustee, Harvey Matthews,

(01:10:53):
and who was actually raised on River Road. And so
mister Matthews very politely raised his hand and said, I'm
that year who tells you that there was no cemetery
across the street from our church. But I used to
play in that cemetery as a child, and I know
that there was a cemetery there, and we saw it

(01:11:15):
being destroyed. And I saw all of those and they
just happened. To all the white people at the meeting.
They were looking at each other like where in the
world did this guy come from? And all of a sudden,
I saw them sort of giving each other little eye signals,
and I said, what happened to the members of our church?
What happened to them?

Speaker 12 (01:11:36):
Where are they buried?

Speaker 13 (01:11:37):
Now? And they were like, well, you know, doctor Deebayo,
we'll give no, no, no, You brought me to this meeting.
You tell me where are the members of our church
that were buried in that cemetery. Well, we can't exactly
tell you what you can't tell me where hundreds of
members of our church are buried. I said, then we
have a crime scene on our hands. We need to

(01:11:59):
call the police immediately because you're in charge of this
land and you can't give me vital information. So that's
how this movement started. It started with Montgomery County determined
to cover up the massacre and the murders of all
of these black people that they wiped out in Bethesda.

(01:12:20):
And so we started to organize our community, and we
found an incredible amount of sympathy and empathy and willingness
on the part of you know, the community that had
been wiped out that no longer could afford, quite frankly,
to live in Bethesda because their homes, their land had
been taken over by by white people. You know, Bethesda

(01:12:44):
now is you know, is almost is a predominantly white city,
and they have been forced out into other areas, into
PG to d C, to North Carolina, South Carolina. And
we started contacting these people to get their histories. And
that's how this movement started. And the first court case
that we brought before the circuit case dealt with the

(01:13:06):
fact that we had put so much pressure on the
Maryland Montgomery County Housing Opportunities Commission because they were trying
to sell a portion of the cemetery. Because we had
put so much pressure on them, they decided to throw
their hands up and say, we're just going to sell
this cemetery to a venture capitalist. And we knew that
one of the plans that were on the table was

(01:13:29):
to turn a portion of the cemetery into a dog park,
and so we decided, no, no, no, this is never
going to work. And so we took them to court
and we had an absolutely, you know, brilliant, brilliant judge
named Carlos Smith, and she heard the arguments and she

(01:13:50):
ruled in our favor, and she wrote a stunning decision
basically setting out the history of Moses Cemetery. This was
indeed an African cemetery that had to be respected. In fact,
in her opinion, she said that Moses Cemetery deserved the

(01:14:11):
same treatment as the New York Burial Ground project, where
a museum would be built so that future generations would
learn from the history of these African people who had
been trafficked and had been you know, kidnapped and brought
to pass the Maryland. So we won that case. The

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developer Montgomery County Housing Opportunities commissioned HOC which is supposed
to be concerned about affordable housing. But as the former
executive director of HLC, and these are the people who
provide title you know, Section eight housing and that sort
of thing, which is a whole nother story. He once

(01:14:52):
said to me in anger. He said, you know, you
think that we're about housing. We are the largest developer
in mountgomer May County. They're all about land. They're all
about land. The Housing Party is a part of their
portfolio because that would allow them to operate without paying taxes.

(01:15:12):
But this organization is about acquiring land, particularly in Montgomery County,
and so they basically filed an appeal, and that was
how we eventually came to argue our case before the
Maryland Supreme Court. And in that decision the Maryland Supreme Court,

(01:15:33):
it was a mixed decision, but it was mixed on
our side where they confirmed that Moses African Cemetery is
a cemetery, that there are hundreds of bodies underneath the
parking lot. This is the other side of the cemetery.
There are hundreds of bodies underneath the parking lot of

(01:15:55):
Moses Cemetery, and this is a cemetery that is due
respect and honor. That is what the Mail and Supreme
Court ruled. But they also said on the negative side,
the developer has a right to sell its land, which
is hc. So there is still work to be done
legally on this case, but we think that and also

(01:16:18):
more importantly, the court ruled that the descendants of the
people underneath the parking lot have a right to what
they call equitable relief, which means that we have a
right to ask for that we have been grieved and
we have a right to be compensated for that grief. So,

(01:16:39):
you know, so we're talking about a museum, we need
to have a museum dedicated in this area to what
happened to these children, to these young people, to the
descendants on River Road. There was a holocaust on River Road.
There was a genocide on River Road in besays the Maryland.

(01:17:00):
And we need to have these African people honored. We
need to have their stories told. We need to learn
about how they survived white supremacy because that will help
us survive the kind of challenges we're facing right now,

(01:17:20):
right now and in the future, we don't have to
recreate them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
I'm here at twenty eight away from the top of
a doctor Marsha. That's an incredible story that you shared
with us. Any of the relatives, if you've been in
contact who are buried, have their relatives buried and Moses Cemetery.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Have they come forward yet?

Speaker 11 (01:17:40):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:17:40):
Absolutely? I mean the founder of our church is buried
under a parking lot in Moses Cemetery. We have a
family called the Clipper family, William Clipper, Bill Clipper. You
know you go on this very large family owner. In fact,
Macedonia Baptist Church is located on River Road and Clipper Lane.

(01:18:01):
The Clipper family is in Moses Cemetery. I mean, you
know we we have this Descendants from people have you know,
thanks to your show. Thank you so much, Thank you
so much, Carl, because when people hear this, this, this
this show that you allow us to come on, they
call me. They get my number from your from your staff.

(01:18:22):
They call me and they say, my cousin, my uncle,
my grandmother was buried in that cemetery. That's how we've met.
That's how we've met Descendants is through your show, and
so we are so grateful to you for that because
you've gotten the word out. In fact now even you know,
we have someone who is listening to your show who

(01:18:42):
has relations with the government of Ghana and they've contacted
us to say how can we help because we know
our people are underneath the parking lot or they're being
dug up as we speak right now to put up
an eighth floor self storage ben which is what I
call it another thing that I call this thing that

(01:19:03):
they're building on River Road. It's the largest funeral home
in the country. I mean, they're going to try to,
you know, advertise this as a self storage company when
you still have bones underneath the self storage underneath the building.
I mean, you know we are not there's just no
way of getting around the fact that they don't There's

(01:19:25):
no way of getting around the fact that people don't
consider us human. I mean, how do human beings sit
down and decide that they're going to build a self
storage unit, They're going to build a parking lot on
top of the bodies of human beings. You have to
believe that these people are not as human as you are,

(01:19:46):
because that is not the fate that you would wish
for your mother, or your father, or your children who
predecease you. And it's interesting because we did not have
one politician, not one politician in Myntgomery County, that has
had the courage, that has had the courage of high
school students who are marching against this desecration. Not one.

(01:20:09):
In fact, Jamie Raskin, who is the congressman in our district,
refuses to sign a letter condemning the desecration of Moses Cemetery,
a burial ground in his district, and yet he goes
around the country quoting Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman. Oh,

(01:20:29):
is that possible that black people will sit there and
listen to Congressman Raskin quoting Frederick Douglass When he is
permitting the desecration of their relatives in Montgomery County, and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
We have Jim John backing ask you this question, though,
is it the land? Is there something special about that
that section of Atlanta, mostly Semar that they want, you know,
they put up a fight usually, like you said, if
there was any other the cemetery, that assure as it's
been declared that oh it's a cemetery, we'll leave it alone.

Speaker 8 (01:20:59):
We move.

Speaker 14 (01:21:00):
But but.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Is there something in that ground other than the remains
of our relatives? What is it about that land that
they want?

Speaker 13 (01:21:09):
Besesta has the highest, one of the highest land values
in the nation. It is extremely expensive land, you know.
I mean the two things going on. One is that
there's a cover up. They don't want people to associate,
you know, pristine white Befesda with genocide. I mean, that

(01:21:30):
is not the pr that you hear when you when
you when you're buying your two or three or five
million dollar condo in the Sesta, that you're that you're
your condo, which is what they're building right next to
the cemetery. Are these two and three million dollar condos?

Speaker 15 (01:21:45):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:21:46):
So all these people who can afford such condos are
now going to have a self storage unit that they
can walk to.

Speaker 11 (01:21:53):
Two.

Speaker 13 (01:21:54):
So because that even the condos, even though they're million
dollar condos, they're still small, so they still need places
to to store. There's seasonal items and whatever else they
want to store. And so this storage unit that is
was right next to, like I said, a million dollar condos,

(01:22:15):
these people will have access to until walkable to walkable
storage facilities. Right it says to have some of the
most expensive land in the world. It is very expensive
to build and says to Maryland. And so the land
that our ancestors happened to be buried in is nounce

(01:22:38):
on the most expensive real estate in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
And doctor Marshall, we have the stepped aside for a
few months and get caught up in the latest news,
trafficking weather on different seats.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
When we come back there, let.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Us know if there's still bulldozers out there and they're
still digging up the remains of our ancestors, they're still
trying to go ahead and build a storage unit on
top of the bones of our ancestors, let us know
when we get back. Family, you two can join this
discussion with doctor Marsha out of bail. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take a phone calls after the
news trafficking, weather update.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
It's next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Thank grand Rising family in Facts are rolling with us
on this Tuesday morning, this twenty second day of July,
with our guest doctor Marsha out of bail. Doctor Marsha
is leading a group trying to save a black cemetery Bethesda, Maryland.
As you mentioned, Bethesia's one of the more wealthiest areas
in the country, in the world. It's a suburb of Washington,
d C. Just a few minutes away from the capital.

(01:24:02):
So anyway, this is the discussion is this has been
going on for ten years now, at least more than
ten years. Before we go back to the let me
just remind you that coming up later this morning, we're
gonna hear from Attorney Barbara Onwine. She's president and founder
of the Transformative Justice Coalition, and she's got she's one
of the things of what she wants to talk about
that the Trump administration is just releasing the doctor King's

(01:24:22):
FBI file. She wants to want to talk run the
Day of Action for UH for John Lewis. Also, she
wants to mention about the Malcolm Jamal Warner, so she's
come up later. But before we get to her, we're
gonna speak with Tim Uh Tim Tim Murfery. Tim wrote
in an article called the Dark Enlightenment. This is something
that Mark Mannheim talks about and he recommended that we

(01:24:42):
get Tim to explain to it. Says family, what is
really going on with the Trumpet Ministry and what are
we looking for? This is the stuff he talked about
years anyway ago. Anyway, Tim wrote an article in Mother
Jones magazine called the Dark Enlightenment, and you're going to
learn more about that what's really happening today when Tim
comes on next. Before we get to Tim, we've later
this week we got coming up. We have author doctor

(01:25:04):
Tourney and Wright, the President and General of the Universally
African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Brutal, will be here. Also,
the founder of the National Conference of Black Mayors, Johnny Ford,
will join us. So if you are in Baltimore and
make sure you rate us lot in tight on ten
ten WLB. If you're in the DMV family, we're on
FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty wol
All right, doctor Marsha, A question I asked you as

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we speak now, are the bulldozers out there, these tractors
they're still digging up the bones of our relatives out
there at that cemetery.

Speaker 13 (01:25:36):
Yes and no. I mean when we first started talking,
they were digging up, you know, they were excavating, and
they have the tractors. And I mean now they've got
a structure on this cemetery. This is the part where
the little girl's bodies would have been found. That's about
eight floors. Now it's almost a skyscraper now, and it's

(01:25:58):
you know, it's still they're putting the sides on, they're
putting the floors in. You know, these developers believe that
they are indestructible. They you know, it's interesting that, you know,
so many people are showing up for the King, the
you know, the King demonstrations, and you know that you know,
we don't have kings in this country, but we do,

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we really do. I mean with developers in Montgomery County
are kings. And the politicians they all give a knee
to the kings in Montgomery County. Whether you're talking about,
you know, Jamie Raskin or Mark Elridge or or Chris
van Holland who goes to you know, El Salvador whatever

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to bring an innocent man back here. And I certainly
applaud him for that. But he will not leave his
house and walk down the street and say it's sing,
say one word about the desecration that's happening in his community.
Will not utter a single word about it. So he understands,

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you know, I'll take on the Trump administration because that's
that's that's national politics, but I am not going to
touch the kings in my neighborhood who could run a
candidate against me, and so they're very quiet about what
happens in their community. And the same thing with Congressman
Jamie Raskin. When we had a meeting with Jamie Raskin,

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he said, he came out and he said to us
in plain English, he said, I am a national leader.
If you want to talk local politics, and you talk
to Mark Alrich who's the county executive, or you talk
to county county people, but I'm a national leader, so
don't I don't dabble in little things like deslcration in

(01:27:46):
my community. That is what he said to us, And
of course we had to say, wait a minute, you're
a national leader because we sent you the Congress.

Speaker 7 (01:27:55):
You didn't.

Speaker 13 (01:27:55):
You didn't become a national leader on your own. The
community sent you there. And we can also reverse that
process to The kings in our community look very different
sometimes than the kings in Washington, DC. And we have
to be sophisticated to understand, sophisticated enough to know that

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we're dealing with what they consider almost royalty people who
cannot be touched and those that are developments, those are
the wealthy people. Those are the ones who are able
to buy the politicians in our community. So I want
it once again. I know time is running out, but
I want it once again to ask people to please
save the date August twenty fifth. We're going to court

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again two days in August twenty fifth and the twenty sixth.
We have two motions to dismiss our cases. Instead of
the developer and instead of the Housing Opportunities Commission saying
we are sorry the courts have ruled against us. We
are desecrating African burial grounds. They're actually trying to get

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the courts to dismiss the cases. You know what kind
of arrogance is that. That's just arrogance born from white supremacy.
So we're asking people, the police come out and support us.
On August twenty fifth, we're going to we're going to
hopefully beat back emotion to dismiss from the developer seventeen

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eighty four holdings. And then on August twenty six, we're
we're going to fight and beat back emotion to dismiss
from the Housing Opportunities Commission. Now, what's interesting about the
HLC case is HLC is spending We believe we're going
to follow Maryland Freedom of Information Act requests, but we

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think they've probably spend close to a million dollars fighting
a small community group called the says the African Cemetery Coalition,
instead of providing affordable housing to people in Montgomery County.
What kind of decision making is that? So, you know,
we want that, we want their books to open. We
want to know how much money they're paying lawyers to

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fight us so that they can continue to desecrate our ancestors.
And we'd like for the community the police come out.
It's going to be at the Montgomery County Circuit Court.
We're asking our community, the police come out on the
twenty fifth and twenty sixth, let's fill up the courthouse,
and let's make sure everyone understands that our community will

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not tolerate this kind of uncivilized and barbaric behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Yeah, and again, how's the response, because you know when
you first started it was the response is sort of
tap it. You know, people, oh, that's that fight, and
they won't get involved. And we're trying to get people
stirred up to do this because you mentioned New York
City and doctor Professor Small was with us and before
you came on that particular day, and he said, the

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same thing happened in New York. But when the brothers
and sisters went down there, they laid their bodies in
front of these bulls, those and these tractors so that
nothing would happen. You know, they say, it's not it's
not going to happen. This was happening in Lower Manhattan
and sort of sort of wondered, why there's that same
energy isn't here in in UH in the DMV to

(01:31:14):
save the cemetery. Why why do you think that it's
a different issue for some of our brothers and sisters
in New York City.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
Than in the DMV.

Speaker 13 (01:31:23):
Well, you know, I just it's hard for me to
diagnose that because you know, in the area that we're
talking about, people were displaced and it was violent, it
was filed. We had a very active KKK here where
people people's homes were burned down. You won't learn this
in the public school system in my government county, but

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people's homes were burned down, they were kidnapped, they were
tortured in this area of the Sessa, and there is
a certain amount of just trauma. There's a lot of trauma.
I'm from the right, Michigan originally, and you know, when
we first my husband first became past to this church,

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no one talked about this issue. We didn't know my
husband's from Nigeria, I'm from Detroit. We didn't know what
had happened to this community. All we knew is that
there's a little black church and every Sunday, black people
would appear in this area and we would have church service,
and no one said a word about what had happened

(01:32:28):
to the community until we had that meeting at the
Maryland Regional Capital Products and Planning And that's when the
story started coming out. So I still think there's an
incredible amount of trauma in this community. And I think
there's also fear of retaliation, fear of what could happen

(01:32:48):
is if the white community turns against the black community
again like what happened in Tulsa. I think that there's
a lot of fear, and so I think that we're
dealing with with these and then also displacement. People don't
live near the area anymore. They've been they've they've been
terrorized out of this area and so now they're living,

(01:33:10):
as I said, in North Carolina and other places. So
so those of us who are able, I really plead
to you to start coming to our weekly demonstrations on
Wednesday at four o'clock in front of the cemetery.

Speaker 7 (01:33:25):
Uh, you know you can.

Speaker 13 (01:33:26):
You can map us out. Just find out where Macedonia
a Baptist Church is, and and we're right across the
street from the church. And interestingly enough, we're right next
to the McDonald's where all these children are playing and
the parents have no idea that the storage unit that's
going up is actually built on the on the on

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on the bones of these African children. One last point
that I wanted to make because it's going to come
up in court, is that the developer carted away. They
trafficked about two to three hundred remains from the cemetery,
and in fact, they took it to Towson University at
one point or they had this professor there look at

(01:34:11):
these bones and she told the developer, And we have
the mp i A reports, I cannot rule out that
these are human and we sent that information to Montgomery County.
You are building on a human cemetery, and the county,
the state's attorney McCarthy, refused to stop the desiccation. And

(01:34:33):
now we have reports from a DNA's analysis which shows
that there was human DNA in the cemetery. So there
is no doubt that these people encroached upon a human cemetery.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
And when that's that's downd here, let me jump ahead
and ask you they still a five way from the
top that what are they doing with the remains? They
just tossed them into a dumpish. I'm thinking these, as
you mentioned, these these are the remains of human beings.

Speaker 13 (01:35:02):
So what are they doing their beings? Well, that's a
good question. They will We've we've we've we've quested our
attorneys that requested numerous times for the developer to return
the remains of our ancestors. The developer has refused, refused
to return the remains of the ancestors. So the question
is are they being experimented on what is happening? We

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don't know what is happening to these bones. Why are
they refusing to return the remains of our ancestors. So
we know that a large portion of these remains are
in a warehouse owned by by a you know, one
of these cultural organizations called w S s I in Gainesville, Virginia,

(01:35:50):
and we're going to organize a demonstration at that site
asking for these people to return. Can you imagine that
these were Jewish bones, that these are bones? Can you
imagine the outrage in this country. These are our ancestors
who suffered so much in life, and this is the

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respect they're getting now. But they don't want us to.
They don't want someone like a doctor Blakey to be
able to analyze what happened to them, because then we're
going to understand how monstrous they were treated. And these
were children. So we're asking for the remains back and
then we found out through the DNA that they had

(01:36:31):
found human DNA in these bones, and they still have
not had the decency to return the remains to the
families of these people. They're holding on to them. We
don't know, we don't know what they're doing to them.
And it's a terrifying situation because, as you know, there's

(01:36:55):
so little disrespect given to black people in life. We're
still considered child. It's only like what can you do
for Someone said to me the other day that black
people are considered like living eighteen machines. You know, the
question is just what can you do for me lately?

Speaker 11 (01:37:10):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:37:10):
How much?

Speaker 13 (01:37:10):
How much money can you make for me? And that's
the same way that our ancestors were treated as chattel.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
You know, I thought right there, we'll take a look
another look at the traffic and weather and at different cities.
I'll let you finish your foot on the other side
in Charles and Baltimore has a question for your family.
YouTube can join us at eight hundred and four five
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calls after the trafficking weather update.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
You're fucking with the most submissive the Carl Nelson Show,
you're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Grand Rising Downary fast rolling with us on this Tuesday morning,
on this twenty second day of July. I guess this,
Doctor Marshah and a Bail.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
I'm coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
We're gonna speak of writer Tim Murphy wrote an article
for The Mother Jones and this is some of the
stuff that Mark from Anahim has been saying for years.
So soon as Mark read the article, he says, you
got to get you got to get him on the
radio because he's what he's talking about how people need
to know. We'll talk about the dark Enlightenment, but let's
finish up with doctor Marsha ad a Bale. So I men, sure,
Charles in Baltimore has a question for you, Dr marsha

(01:38:36):
Charles Grand Rising, your question for doctor Marsha at a Bail.

Speaker 8 (01:38:41):
Yes, how you doing today?

Speaker 13 (01:38:44):
I'm fine?

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (01:38:46):
Oh great, great, great.

Speaker 11 (01:38:48):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:38:48):
We've been hearing this for a long time and I've
been wondering, you know, why didn't they excuse me, why
didn't y'all take this to the Supreme Court when at
first it because that seems like, you know, that's supposed
to be the highest point of law in this land,
and it would, you know, seem to me that that

(01:39:10):
would be the place where you would take something like this,
you know, directly to the Supreme Court, because this is
the same thing to me as being anti semitic. But
we don't have a word for anti semitic. We only
just have discrimination. So discrimination comes before anti semitic. So

(01:39:34):
why don't we have the strength in words like they do, And.

Speaker 15 (01:39:39):
Why are we taking this on the chin?

Speaker 8 (01:39:41):
And why haven't we taken this to the Supreme Court?

Speaker 9 (01:39:44):
Thank you?

Speaker 13 (01:39:46):
I think it's a great question. Obviously, before you get
to the marrit to the US Supreme Court, you have
to go to the lower court. And so we've taken
it to the Montgomery County Circuit Court where we want,
as I mentioned earlier, and then the developer came back,
because developers have unlimited amounts of money, took they appealed,

(01:40:09):
and once they appealed, and we took it to the
Maryland Supreme Court, where we had a mixed decision, but
it was mixed on our side. In other words, they
affirmed the Maryland Supreme Court affirmed that this was a
cemetery worthy of being respect of respect and not only
worthy of respect, but also provided a road map of

(01:40:30):
what they call it equitable relief, the ways in which
the descendants could find some relief from this from the
oppression that they're feeling from the developer. That's where the
cases on punceiled one seventy five. Right now we're waiting,
and then of course that decision was appealed, and that's

(01:40:52):
why I've been asking people to save the date for
August twenty fifth and August twenty sixth, because we go
back to court because now the developer, one of the developers, HLC,
is appealing the Supreme Court decision essentially and asking for
the Lord Court to dismiss, to dismiss the case.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
I'm me jumping here interested time. We got Tima on
deck TWYA wants to know at Dr Marsha, please ask
doctor Masha what is the purpose of the upcoming hearing
and the potential outcomes.

Speaker 13 (01:41:27):
Yeah, so this is very important. The purpose is that
both both developers HLC as well as seventeen eighty four Codings,
both of these developers that own parts of the cemetery,
are asking the court to dismiss the entire case on
us on one with seventeen eighty four, they're asking for

(01:41:47):
them to dismiss a portion of the case. With HLC,
they're asking for them to dismiss the entire case. This
is very important because they're asking them to overturn a
Maryland Supreme Court decision. So these developers are still fighting.
They're still fighting us for everything they have, and that
means that the community cannot get tired. Now we have

(01:42:11):
to fight back. If we win these two cases, then
I think clearly we are going to be in seat
of a much better position to receive equitable relief. But
the developers have not stopped fighting, and they're still throwing
their violence, I guess, against the community. And we're still
fighting back. So we're asking the community to join us.

(01:42:34):
On August twenty fifth, August twenty sixth, Montgomery County Circuit Court.
Let's fill up the courtroom. Let the judge know that
the community is fighting back and we will not allow
the developers to roll back our victory.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
All right, and we'll have you back before then. But
doctor marsha Adabe, how can folks reach you if they
want help, especially the people who are not in the
DMV area. People to mention you gotta call some Ghana,
but people around the country listening, how can they get
to you if they want to help give you some
advice or even financial advice because you got you got
to pay your lawyers as well.

Speaker 13 (01:43:08):
Oh my god, please, we need money so badly. I mean,
we're a small little group and we're but we're doing
historic work. So please go to our website at the
SEZDA African Cemetery Coalition dot net, the African Cemetery Coalition
dot net. And we're on all the social media handles,

(01:43:28):
so you can find us on the says app, you know,
on Facebook, on Twitter, everywhere, Instagram, but this is basically
the same title, So please go to our social media
and we're we're in the street every Wednesday four o'clock.
We're in front of the cemetery bearing witness to the
fact that they are building this self storage unit what

(01:43:50):
I consider I mean, it's where our ancestors were dumped
every every every Wednesday, four o'clock across from Macedonia Baptist Church.
We're there with our signs, rain, snow whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
We are there and are you there with security because
one time they sort of manhitled you and some of
the other ladies who were there.

Speaker 13 (01:44:11):
Oh yeah, there's no question. I mean they try to
intimidate us. Yeah, it's been horrible in terms of the
kind of physical abuse we suffered. And so we need
black men out there, there's no question about it. We
need strong black men out there. We need strong black
women out there. This is war and that's what Harriet

(01:44:34):
Tubman said. Harriet Tubman said, this is war. Why should
we be silent.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
We're got to drive it right there. Thank you, doctor
Marsha but Dale, thank you for continuing the fight. And
fellas who you're out you heard what she said. It's
an appeal. She's going to be back before that day.
But they're going to be out there on Wednesday. SOFOI
and all these fellows who like the flex in the community,
you're getting a chance to flex now, go out there
and protect these sisters out there protesting the desecration of

(01:45:01):
that black cemetery in Pathesta, Maryland. Thank you, doctor Abide.

Speaker 13 (01:45:05):
And thank you for the work that you do so much.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
All right, family, eight, after tough day, all let's talk that.
Bringing our next guest, who's a writer, Tim Murphy, Tim
grand Rising, Welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:45:15):
To the program.

Speaker 10 (01:45:17):
Hey, good morning, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
Tim.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
You wrote an article in and Mother Jones magazine, and
Mark rom Ahnheim has been talking about the doc and
enlightenment for quite some time, for years now, and he says,
you got to get this guy on the radio because
you know, he says, see what I've been trying to
tell people that about the dot what's really going on
in the government today? You actually put it in a magazine. First,
I got to ask you were you are you concerned

(01:45:40):
that you've you know, sort of taken the scab off
the wound.

Speaker 10 (01:45:42):
Now you know, I'm not in part because I think
it's it's sort of so obvious and out and play
in sight what's happening right now that you know you
sort of have no choice. But let's call it what
it is, which is, you know, essentially the kind of
trying umph of a kind of a techno fascist movement

(01:46:03):
to kind of take control of the levers of government
and break democracy as we've come to know it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Yeah, And the article family, It's Trump's Washington is a
techno fascist fantasy, with or without Musk. It's it's in
Mother Jones picked that up and read that the current
issue of mother Jones. It's it's a lead story in
that and that edition explain for us what is a
techno fascist.

Speaker 10 (01:46:31):
Yeah, and so this whole thing kind of comes out
of this, you know, what you referred to as the
dark Enlightenment, which is what it sounds like. It's the
rejection of the actual you know, enlightenment that produced these
kind of democratic you know philosophers John Locke people like that.
They gave us these ideas that we should have representative
government and you know, liberty, equality, fraternity, things like that.

(01:46:56):
This is is this sort of comes from this idea
that that's not good, that that's leading us to a
bad place. They they these people largely in Silicon Valley
consider democracy and and those processes like oppressive kind of
authoritarian kind of ironically, and and that what's needed is

(01:47:18):
this dark Enlightenment or or techno fascism where you have
instead of you know, all these these rights and institutions
and electoral traditions, you you instead have this kind of
seemingly benevolent like group of like feudalists, uh, technocrats you know,
who are kind of the term they like to use

(01:47:41):
is merit based. You know, these kind of leader people
will take over the government and run it, you know,
with their own expertise and like tech or things like that,
and like instead of democracy, they you should just have
kind of the best and the brightest of you know,
Silicon Valley kind of stepping in and running things as

(01:48:01):
as they see fit. It's also powered you know by
a lot of kind of fringe you know, debunked you
know theories. There's a lot of what they would call
scientific racism built into it. You know that ties into
you know, who exactly is is sort of a true
first class citizen of society and who's sort of capable

(01:48:23):
of what work. So it brings a lot of these
ideas that have been floating around the fringe of Silicon
Valley in particular, and has brought down kind of into
government all right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
Twelve after the top tim was was Elon Musk?

Speaker 10 (01:48:38):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
Was that the the the persson that was used to
bring Silicon Valley to to to uh the Trump administration?
Was he a vehicle and after he did that he
decided to step aside or engineered a way to get
out or or how did you see all of that
relationship there with Musk Silicon Valley and and and being
the connected with with the Trump administration.

Speaker 10 (01:48:59):
Yeah, I think he's kind of the embodiment of what
I'm talking about. And you know, interestingly, he's not he's
not very well read, he's not like he's certainly not
very intellectual or anything like that compared to some of
his peers. I think he would think of themselves as such.
He's just the guy who lives on the internet is
just bombarded with bad information and bad ideas. But yeah,

(01:49:22):
he kind of embodies this this strain of like forget
everybody else, Like I know what I'm doing. I'm in
charge of a lot of big companies, Like I will
just figure out how things work and bring in a
bunch of really smart, you know, computer programmers and will
do things better than you guys have, and like forget

(01:49:43):
all of the legislation that's been passed and the appropriations
and like, you know what the experts on the ground
are saying about, for instance, like AIDS funding in Africa.
You know, I know what's best. So he embodies this
kind of very kind of flawed, you know, mindset coming
out of Silicon Valley of like just uh, you know,

(01:50:06):
the term they use is move fast and break things.
So when you come to a big institution, you've got
to kind of smash it and then you can rebuild
something better kind of along along those lines, and he did.
I mean, this was kind of Doge was a very
kind of lawless enterprise that did a ton of damage,
not just in the US but around the world in

(01:50:28):
ways that we will be picking up the pieces of
for decades. Probably, I don't know the extent to which
he considers it a success, even because he had far
loftier goals going in, but he embodied that kind of
embraced by the right wing of Silicon Valley of Trump
as a vehicle for kind of what they wanted.

Speaker 7 (01:50:50):
To do to government.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
I got ask you this because Silicon Valley, it's the
sort of sort of people think it's a liberal bastion
and know it's at the Berkeley sort of liberalism was
born of flourishes. They how did they find these conservatives
who work in Silicon Valley.

Speaker 10 (01:51:08):
Yeah, there's there's kind of a funny I mean, there's
kinds of an echo happening right now where a lot
of that Internet tech, you know, stuff kind of started
with Department of Defense funding in the fifties sixties, seventies,
and then you had, you know, that kind of wave
of tech giants like you know, Steve Jobs, who come
out of more of a counterculture thing and aren't really

(01:51:31):
into defense projects. But in the last decade or so,
you've had the rise of like Silicon Valley in national defense.
It's this kind of interlocking thing powered by a lot
of AI technology and breakthroughs guys like Peter Teel and
Palmer Lucky and Google to some extent, it's gotten in

(01:51:54):
on that. So you've had Silicon Valley has kind of
come back to its roots in a way of kind
of becoming the military industrial complex. And another thing that's happened.
You know, I've seen this summarized. You know, why did
Silicon Valley shift so far right? I've seen somebody Hippoi
kind of say it was wokeness and Warren staffers. These

(01:52:17):
people were very upset at the kind of grumblings they
got from their employees in twenty twenty and sort of
the protests that they saw in twenty twenty, and they're
upset at the kind of tightening of regulation or the
desire to tighten regulation and anti trust enforcement and things
like that on big tech companies during the Biden era

(01:52:40):
and that kind of push coming out of the progressive left,
and so they were kind of driven. They would say
they felt like they were driven to the right by this.
But I think a big part of this as well
is the growing influence of this kind of dark enlightenment
idea and people like Curtis Jarvin, a kind of court

(01:53:01):
intellectual for Silicon Valley's right wing, who kind of put
into words the kinds of things that they sort.

Speaker 7 (01:53:09):
Of want to do.

Speaker 5 (01:53:10):
Yeah, we're come up on a break.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
When we come back, I want you to explain because
we've we've used these terms dark enlightenment, and the market
from has mentioned and I'll he sent a question by
the way for us to ask you, So I'll ask
that question as well about dark lightened with it. But
if you can explain what what is the dark enlightenment?
Because we got to take a step by baby steps
some folks, you know, and I guess most of America
doesn't really know what's going on with Trump administration, what

(01:53:34):
they're trying to do. It's going to affect us not
just here in this country, but globally. The changes that
they're making or considering making. Also want to talk about
Peter Thield and his relationship to JD. Vance and his
relationship to to Elon Musk. All these characters have you know,
they come to play and making all these different changes

(01:53:54):
that are now going to affect people that already start
affecting people. Also, I want to talk about the fact
that all that they are those files, that the files
that Elon Musk was able to garner from the Trump
admission at the short time he was in there, because
I think that's what he wants, the data. He can
use that now, because that's more important than anything else.
It's the data he's got everybody's social security, he knows
where they are. And this is where how some people

(01:54:16):
say this already rounding up some of these immigrants, how
they're picking our folks, but Bill who have not done anything,
you know, and the criminal activity, but they just overstate
their visas. But they've got all the information. This is
what they got from the federal government. So let's take
the break when we come back, and let's hit on
all of those issues for us. Family, you want to
join this conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred
and four to five zero seventy eight seventy Sixty'll take

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your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Tuesday morning. I guess is Tim Murphy. Tim has
written an article for Mother Jones. It's the feature article
this month is called Trump's Washington is a techno fascist
fantasy or without Musk. It's a must read. I'm telling
if you're concerned what's going on in this country, or
what's going to happen, or what they're trying to do,
this is the article you need to read. Again, it's

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Trump's Washington is a techno fascist fantasy, with or without musk.
You know, before we left the break issued a number
of questions I want to ask you, because this is fascinating, Tim.
One of the things, first I want to start for
some of a family who really don't understand what's going
on the Dark Enlightenment. Can you explain to them what
is the Dark Enlightenment?

Speaker 5 (01:55:44):
First?

Speaker 10 (01:55:45):
Yeah, And so it's meant to feel like a counter
ideology to the kind of Enlightenment ideals that produce the
United States. So those ideals of liberty, equality, you know,
representative democracy that came about in the seventeen hundreds or wherever,

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and then finally started to actually do their purpose over
the last few decades. And this is a lot a
group of people again like kind of rooted in Silicon
Valley who wanted kind of the opposite of them. I mean,
they felt like this system of government was kind of
stultifying for like for their grand you know, business ambitions,

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that it was culturally like oppressive, that it was like,
you know, kind of silence and conservatives and things like that,
and that wasn't putting the best people in charge and
giving them the power to do whatever they wanted. So
the Dark Enlightenment is more monarchical. It wants what you've
kind of seen with President Trump over the first seven months,

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the president's authority should should be far greater than we've
come to think the president's authority is. It's you know,
it's it's far more like like a king, and and
all these other pieces of government are just kind of
more subservient to the president. And so maybe it's not

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so surprising that, you know, JD. Vance Is is kind
of a long time follower of the guy who kind
of came up with the Dark Enlightenment. The Silicon Valley
blogger and computer programmer named Curtis Jarvian and and a
number of kind of other Silicon Valley billionaires have also
kind of are in that orbit or like financially subsidizing

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this guy jargon and and so yeah, I mean it's
it's basically just kind of the the it's still you know,
it's still like existing within our democratic framework, but it's
in opposition to I think American democracy if we've come
to know it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
What would you want to ask you this though? So
what is Donald Trump's role? Does he understand all this?
Or they user him or or is he sapatsy? And
then they're going to slip in JD Evans, Is this
is this what they're trying to do?

Speaker 10 (01:58:06):
Does Donald Trump understand the Dark Enlightenment? I would say
he has probably no idea that it's a thing. He
is is just not somebody who's interested in the kind
of intellectual pursuits of of like the far right in
a way, like he has a lot of far right views,
and the idea that he should be more like a
king I think comes very naturally to him. So there's

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so there's a real symbiosis there in large part and
his his approach to life is more about rewarding himself
and kind of punishing people that he doesn't like. So yeah, so,
I mean, but this has been a very useful vehicle,
certainly in his rise to power. It's helped kind of

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whip a lot of Silicon valleys right into a frenzy
of supporting him in the belief that they will kind
of be able to get what they want with him
in power. That's the ability to do whatever they want
with crypto or with AI or you know, with national defense,
you know, contracts or technologies or things like that, with

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you know, with all sorts of things, and you know
that you'd be able to get somebody like Elon Musk
coming in and again just doing whatever he wanted with
entire agencies and including shutting them down. So so Trump
himself is I wouldn't say he's a passy because I
think he's still very much in charge, but he's not.
He's certainly not kind of an intellectual adherent.

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
Yeah, And the question was, was was it the move
then somehow to you know, get JD. Vance in and
we look at what's going on now. He has problems
with the Epstein files and people are watching that because
people some people think that that's at some point they're
going to push out Donald Trump. And and the person
they really want to get at the White House is JD.
Vans because he's he's a protege of Peter Thiel. If

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you will, do you see all these machinations going on
behind the scenes, I don't.

Speaker 10 (02:00:07):
I don't see it as as an attempt to get
by Trump, who is well, he's not delivering everything they
want in part, you know, because people like Elon Musk
have gotten in their own way, right, Like these guys
don't want to destroy necessarily all of this, like you know,
medical advances and things like that that like Rfk Junior
is kind of set on doing. But they they want

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to unleash, you know, their own power in Folkon Valley
to kind of be able to do what they want
with these industries without having to worry about government. And
so I think what they view Vance as is kind
of like the next in line, chosen one. He is,
he could not be more kind of more matched to

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this sensibility.

Speaker 14 (02:00:52):
You know.

Speaker 10 (02:00:52):
He has you know, previously worked with people like the
billionaire Peter Teel, who's like a leading light of this
kind of you know, dark Enlightenment mindset. He's the co
founder of PayPal, who used to work with Musk, was
an early investor in Facebook, and now he kind of
invests in and everything from you know, defense contractors to

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the Enhanced Olympics, which is like an Olympics where everyone
can do steroids. Because he's very into life extension and
life hacking and bio hacking and things like that. So
Vance is Vance is far more of a of a
kind of intellectual, you know, true believer than than Trump.
And I think Trump saw in Dvance, you know, somebody

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who's very well received and very you know, capable of
kind of communicating and having a dialogue and keeping these
guys in his corner.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
Twenty seven A tough day. I foundly just checking in
Tim Murphy's I guess he's written an incredible ogical about
the Dark Enlightenment. It's in Mother Jones and the latest
of copy of Mother Jones.

Speaker 5 (02:01:59):
Just google it. You can read it online or pick
up a copy. Tim. What is the endgame? What do
they hope to achieve?

Speaker 10 (02:02:07):
Well, I think, you know, something like and I don't
think they're all necessarily enamored with the day to day
styles of Trump. You know, a president who kind of
wakes up, watches TV and decides what he wants to
do kind of based on what's in TV on TV
and somebody like Vances, you know, down the road kind
of more of a natural fit with these these kinds

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of guys in especially in Philtim Sali and so putting
him in the White House eventually, you know, in twenty
twenty eight would be would be a major coup. But
I think what they wanted was kind of a malleable
government with a very strong president who would sort of

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be able to kind of deal with like the rest
of this meddlesome democracy stuff, so that they could have
like ungridled tech in Silicon Valley, in in crypto, in
you know, national events and artificial intelligence, and to kind
of put the liberals in their place. They have this

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term that they use to describe basically all the things
they don't like. It's called the cathedral. The cathedral includes
higher education, includes media, it includes like civil society groups.
It's it's all these kind of big liberal organizations or
institutions that they believe are kind of responsible for American decline,

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and they want the government to basically to put them
all in their place and to kind of take away
their power. And I think what you've seen over the
course of the Trump administration and its attacks on universities,
and its attacks on law firms and nonprofits, and its
attacks on media, is you know administration that's largely doing that.

Speaker 5 (02:03:56):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
I got a three questions from Louisiani, one of our
listens in Louisian and it says uh, says uh, because
he could have a question You're you're right address, he says, Okay,
I have another question for you. Asked him about this
company taking all our data and using it to spy
on us? Is it also used for racial profiling?

Speaker 5 (02:04:13):
Which is uh?

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
Is it Palenteer how you pronounced the technology? Is that
Peter Thield's company?

Speaker 10 (02:04:20):
Yeah, yeah, Volunteer, which I don't know. If you've read
The Lord of the Rings, you know Palenteer as the
as the big orbs that allow you to spy on
on what's happening wherever with one of the orbs. So
that's I don't know, that's kind of ominous, but all
these guys are very into Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 9 (02:04:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:04:42):
Palenteer is is a peer deal backed company in Silicon
Valley and its.

Speaker 7 (02:04:50):
Whole big deal is data.

Speaker 10 (02:04:53):
And I think it's an example of like what's new
about these guys. There was a lot you know, what
palenteers do is not especially it's not like a breakthrough
technology or anything like that. It's simply a matter of
a company willing to do what in the past Silicon
Valley was reluctant to do. And that's like this big
kind of government you know, surveillance technology stuff, clear clear

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threats to civil liberties and things like that. Volunteering has
become a huge government contractor not just in the Apartment
of Defense, but also you know, as it's been reported
in as part of Trump's kind of mass deportations campaign,
and one of the big things that's happened in the
Trump era that Musk was working on with DOGE and

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as also just a broader project is taking all of
these sets of data that the federal government has that
have been kept apart. They've been siloed for privacy reasons,
for legal reasons, and they want to break them down
so that I R. S data and Social Security data
and State's Department at a immigration data that they can

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all be connected. So the kind of like kind of
like a talenteer kind of like an all seeing government
eye can be able to go from one data set
to the other and sort of learn a lot more
about somebody, and that has very troubling implications for surveillance.

Speaker 5 (02:06:19):
Family.

Speaker 3 (02:06:20):
Just checking in Tim Murphy's I guess he's a writer
from Other Jones. He's written an article about the Dark
Enlightenment and this is an incredible discussion we're having this morning.
So let me ask you this, though, Tim, do you
think the MAGA crowd understands all of what you're saying
this morning?

Speaker 5 (02:06:34):
Because this or for them, which is just superficial.

Speaker 3 (02:06:36):
It's just they like Donald Trump whatever Donald Trump says
that behind so they don't really know about the dark Enlightenment.

Speaker 5 (02:06:42):
How do you see them?

Speaker 10 (02:06:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think like the kind of rank
and file guy that you meet at a at a
Trump rally probably has no idea about this concept or
even most of the you know, most of the names involved.
Elon certainly wrote to the level of you know, celebrity,
and people liked people liked that he was a famous,
you know, rich guy who did kind of for a

(02:07:07):
while pretty cool stuff. But no, I mean, I don't
you know, Curtis Arvin isn't somebody who gets a really
a shout out on stage. You know a lot of
a lot of people I think are supportive of of
some of the ends, right Like there is you know,
a part of his base that's very supportive of mass deportation,

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and you know the ways that this kind of new
surveillance state is working toward mass deportation. I guess, I
guess there's kind of symbiosis there. But in general, the
the idea that there's all these billionaires on group chats
together who are kind of whipping each other into like
approach on frenzy and trying to get you know, a

(02:07:53):
booming crypto and AI economy, you know, for their own ends. Certainly,
certainly not on the tongue of your average Trump vhoters.

Speaker 5 (02:08:04):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
Twenty six away from the topic, I mentioned that Marko
Marohnheim sent a question for uh Tim to talk about
markers who want to recommend it that we have Tim
on tell us about the dark and line what's going on,
and so far he's only in the eyes of a
lot of folks who are listening this morning as well,
and a chance to pick up mother Jones the latest
copy you can read read it his article about what
is going on and what they attend to do? This

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this this relationship between the Silicon Valley and and the
Trump administration. Was that was the use of was that
was Elon Musky? Was that his his his That was
his journey? Was that was he was he picked to
do that, to make that connection. And if he can
talk about that, you know how he did it and
now he's no longer there? So did he complete for

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the Silicon Valley folks? What do he want to make
that symbiosis?

Speaker 10 (02:08:54):
I think he was on a similar journey to a
lot of the other Silicon Valley folks.

Speaker 9 (02:09:00):
He was on.

Speaker 10 (02:09:01):
He came to this, in fact later than some of them.
Somebody like Peter tal who we mentioned from from PayPal
and Facebook. Pallenteer has been kind of pushing this for
a long time. The venture capitalist Mark Andreason was pushing this,
you know, in twenty twenty four. But Musk is so

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rich and so powerful that he's kind of like his
own solar system. And so when he got on board
and you're worth a quarter of a trillion dollars, he
could kind of write his own you know, job description
or less. I mean, he kind of had the world
at his fingertips, and so I don't think he left

(02:09:43):
mission accomplished. He was limited, you know, by by rules,
not that that's necessarily stopped them before in terms of
how long he could stay in Washington and in that
current job, but but certainly what he was doing. And interestingly,
his grandfather was part of this tech ocracy movement that
that said that government should just be run by a

(02:10:04):
collection of like highly skilled technocrats instead of instead of
a government. And unsurprisingly that had overlaps with kind of
contemporary fascist movements in the middle of the twentieth twentieth century.
So this is I guess in some sense it runs
in his blood. And so so Musk had this goal

(02:10:25):
of kind of radically restructuring government and just completely you know,
gutting programs that he thought served no purpose because they
were you know, delivering aid that in his view, weren't
you know, bringing back positive benefits to the American people
and things like that. So I think Musk embodies this,
but I wouldn't say that he was like dispatched by

(02:10:46):
anybody to do this. He really truly answers to nobody
except Elon Musk, which I think you could say is
a large part of the problem with Elon Musk.

Speaker 5 (02:10:56):
Yeah, we call on breaking. I want to come back.

Speaker 3 (02:10:58):
Ryan Baltimore has got a question few markam Manaheim as
a question for you as well. My question was this
the bust up between Muscat and Trump? Was that orchestrati?
Was that theater or it? Or is that real? Get
back from the break. I'll let you explain those questions
for us. Family, you two, you can join us to
speak of our guest. His name is Tim Murphy's written
an incredible article in Mother Jones newspaper about the Dark Enlightenment,

(02:11:20):
and you can pick it up. It's called Trump's Washington.
He's a techno fascist fantasy. With or without most incredible article.
If you want to find out what's going on today
and what with the plans they have for us, pick
up that article and read and get into it. As
I mentioned, we got a step aside for a few moments.
We come back with your comments and your questions for
Tim at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six.

Speaker 8 (02:11:40):
All of that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
Next Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, m.

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
H and grind Rising family. Thanks for rolling with us
on the Tuesday morning with I guess Tim Murphy from
Mother Jones newspaper discussing this article about dark Enlightenment. Uh, Tim,
I got some folks want to talk to you. I've
got a question from a mom from from Anaheim. So
let's take a call for us. Let's go to Ray,
who's calling us from Baltimore. He's online one Grand Rising. Ray,

(02:12:26):
You're only Tim Murphy g.

Speaker 16 (02:12:28):
Rising and Carl and brother called. Thanks again, you bring
us one of the few remaining publications that is that
that I would uh call leftists and Lord knows we needed.
And just kudos to Mother Jones. I've subscribed a long time.

(02:12:49):
I would encourage our listeners to support Mother Jones real quick.
Three key points. I think one of the agendas, just
one for these men that circle Peter Thiel, is they

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want a South African state in America in the sense
that as African Americans and Hispanics become the minority, they
need a way to rule as they still do in
South Africa. Remember, South Africa has sixty million people that
only four percent would be considered white. Yet the whites

(02:13:31):
in South Africa, as your guest knows still rule with
pretty much an iron fist through legislation, redlining, et cetera.
And I think that's one of the goals here, and
your guests has pointed out that technocratic goal, but I
think it's more ominous than that. Obviously, they have already

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eradicated many many of our public institutions and for the
pro monetizing every two things through privatization. And i'd like
your guests to talk a little bit about how Reagan
tried to do this but he did not have the
tools around him. And the last part is we cannot

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minimize the ethno racist ideology behind Curtis Yarvin, who I'd
like you to speak a little bit more. And obviously
Peter Teal as the browning of America increases, Donald Trump
was a hail Mary for white American establishment to hold

(02:14:37):
on to what they feel they're losing.

Speaker 8 (02:14:40):
So that's what I offer up to you. Guess I'll
listen to his response.

Speaker 10 (02:14:44):
Thanks, Ray Jim, Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I think certainly,
I guess on several of those those notes, the kind
of the kind of there's a kind of a segregationist,
anti anti diversity strain that's that's very prominent in a

(02:15:06):
lot of these people, or certainly a lot of them,
would you know, have has been very actively they would
say anti diversity. Peter Teal is an author of a
book that was critical of of that at Stanford h
to get the name of the book, uh, the diversity
Mixed that Peter Teele is is the big It was
this very first book he needs to bound here co

(02:15:28):
founder that that we've talked about and and this idea
and you hear it a lot from dat e Vance
in particular and from Elon Musk that we are allowing
and we have allowed, you know, far too many people
into the country, and the characteristics of those people are
not up you know, to the system and the level

(02:15:52):
that we have here. And so we need to we
need to be having a much different kind of population,
right people like us, for into Advances and Musks of
the world need to be having tons and tons of kids.
But at the same time, we need far fewer people
from for instance, the entire continent of Africa, from you know,

(02:16:14):
Central America, from you know, South East Asia, basically the
entire southern hemisphere, basically everywhere outside of Western and northern Europe.
You know that this is this is a real through
line from the first Trump administration to this Trump administration.
It's it's the idea of kind of like a white genocide,

(02:16:36):
you know, that gets talked a lot about in these
corners of the internet.

Speaker 11 (02:16:41):
I think that's it's a very large part of it.

Speaker 10 (02:16:43):
You know, there's this overlap overlap between this kind of
technical techno fascist you know, ideology in government and these
ideas about like pro natalism and birth rate and things
like that. It's really you can't take you can't take
grates out of that at all. And it is you know,

(02:17:05):
when we when we talk about the people pushing you know,
the these ideas, you know, they are kind of white
guys from Silicon Valley, and a disproportionately high number of
them are from South Africa. At one point, Peter Thiel,
David Sacks, who Strump's cryptos are, and of course Elan musk.

Speaker 3 (02:17:28):
Kat and I'm sorry, yeah, I was just gonna say one.

Speaker 10 (02:17:30):
Of the things that they considered a victim of the left,
you know, cathedral oppressive, you know, system is is these
ideas about like eugenics that are for good reason considered
taboo and not you know, something in that in in

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a in a good society, or being discussed and promoted.
They're sort of trying to bring back, uh. They they
feel like that's you know, something that needs to be
you know, be examined and promoted again, at least of
a lot of these folks. It's something that people are
far more interested than a normal person should be interested.

Speaker 5 (02:18:11):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:18:11):
As I mentioned that, Mark ro manna, I'm recommended that
we have you wanted to talk about the Dark Enlightenment,
And he says hello, and he says he saw that
Mother Jones magazine. He's one of the few magazines which
still he's still subscribes to fact based stories in this
dumbed down nation. Anyway, He says that the Dark Enlightenment,
along with such organizations as they are the Council for

(02:18:32):
National Policy, the Western Goals Foundation, and the John Birch Society,
utilizing such media outlets as Rupert Murdocks and Media Empire,
along with other media outlets such as The Aparc Times,
Salem Radio and One America, have manipulated much of the
populations of Australia, United Kingdom and now the United States
through the use of misinformation, disinformation and outright lies regarding immigrants, blacks, browns,

(02:18:55):
and other of the masses of the disenfranchised people fight
each other of being replaced by artificial intelligence, cyborgs and
transhumanism on the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

Speaker 5 (02:19:06):
What say you.

Speaker 7 (02:19:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:19:10):
I think you know.

Speaker 10 (02:19:10):
The big media story of this movement is x the
former formerly Twitter that had a lot of faults, but
it was a big mass communication platform for hundreds of millions,
if not billions of people.

Speaker 11 (02:19:25):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (02:19:25):
Musk took that over and turned that into a funnel
for far right content, and particularly far right far right
content that is aligned with you know, his particular kind
of you know, often racist, anti democratic, you know ideology.
It's it's where people uh you know, you have all

(02:19:48):
these kind of anonymous Twitter accounts that are followed by
people like Vance or Peel or Musk, you know, that
are just churning out this you know content all day long,
you know, and and kind of an international audience. It's
where Musk is in communication and amplifying right wing voices
who are similarly aligned all across Europe and in parts

(02:20:10):
of South America. Basically, pick a country in Europe and
there's a far right leader or activist that Musk has
been promoting on X, so he's he's I think more
so than you know, Fox News is still kind of
aimed at like a seventy three year old in the
villages in Florida who's just getting ready for the game
of golf. But far more than that, I think X

(02:20:34):
has has sort of been this far right, reactionary worldwide
platform under Musk's direction.

Speaker 3 (02:20:44):
These boughts that we hear about on the Internet, are
they are they are their computers or are there people?
Are the some of these young people programming this misinformation
that's spread around the world. Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 7 (02:20:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:20:59):
I mean there are a lot of bots and and
and like for a regular user, the bots you know
on on X, I think sort of nake it unusable.
But you know, when I'm when I'm talking about anonymous accounts,
I mean, you know, real real people posting just anonymously
or pseudonymously on on X and gaining real influence and

(02:21:23):
large followings while doing that. We had a recent story
on on somebody you know who was the conduit for
the New York Times story about Zora and Lumbani and
and his Columbia application. He's followed by you know, jd.

Speaker 9 (02:21:38):
Vance.

Speaker 10 (02:21:38):
He's followed by Elon Musk, and he's tweeted a ton
about kind of eugenics and and things like that in
the past, and and and so it's it's this kind
of you know, people are kind of free to I
guess speak more freely and more ominously with that, with

(02:21:59):
the nity that you know that X affords somebody not
to say that, they're not not increasingly feeling free to
kind of say whatever they want in public too.

Speaker 3 (02:22:13):
Family note away from the top of the with I
guess Tim Murphy. Tim's a writer for Mother Jones magazine,
and he did a story on the dock and Enlightenment,
a very brave stories because you know what happens to
people who speak out against Donald Trump, who've seen that happen.
And I asked him earlier about his concern and for
for the magazine or himself. You say, your safety for
the folks who didn't hear that, Tim, after what you've

(02:22:34):
told you, you're still still okay with what with you know,
aren't you concerned about either the magazine or they come
after you or yourself personally?

Speaker 11 (02:22:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:22:43):
Well, you know, it's a very bad media environment and
it's a very bad First Amendment environment right now for
media organizations obviously on on platforms like x you know,
it's kind of just a toxic bit now and everything
is is sort of you just kind of don't want
to spend a lot of time there, and and and

(02:23:05):
as highly to just you know, even even Donald Trump
is suing Rupert Murdoch now right as as I guess
an enemy of the people for for publishing story of
that in and.

Speaker 7 (02:23:18):
Epstein.

Speaker 10 (02:23:19):
So uh, yeah, you know, it's it's it's really not ideal.
But I don't think you can let that climate the
steer stop you from you know, telling the truth about people.
And you know, everything we do is is is fact
checked and and and everything and we're proud of our work.
So yeah, you know, and and times like this you
got to just kind of keep keep publishing that stuff and.

Speaker 3 (02:23:41):
Not not be quiet good for you stix away from
the top day Tim, But all this information that that
Elon Musk had gone and before he left, he got
information on everybody in this country. And now what is
his plans? Do you have any idea what he plans
to do all this information?

Speaker 10 (02:23:59):
Yeah, So I think things there, One is that that
we have, we still know very little about what Doge
was doing. This was not unlike the organizations and agencies
that he gutted. This was not you know, a well
run or a organization, and it wasn't Doge, and that
was not seemingly keeping a very big paper trail. Everybody

(02:24:21):
seemed like they were just communicating on signal chats, you know,
which are set to disappear and very much run a
foul of federal you know, information preservation laws and things
like that. So this is not you know, it might
be years before we start to kind of figure out
what DOGE is even really doing. But to the event,

(02:24:43):
you know, the one thing we really know is that
they were trying to make it much easier for the
federal government databases to kind of speak to each other
so that somebody could figure out, you know, information about
you know, somebody's I R. S records or their Social
Security record or things like that. So all these things
that were legally designed to be siloed could be now

(02:25:05):
kind of interconnected. And those things were kept siloed, you know,
for important reasons relating to privacy and abuse of power
and things like that. So I don't I don't think
there's any evidence that that Musk himself brought that data back.
But what's happened now is that the federal government has
assuming that must didn't just you know, Butcher. The whole

(02:25:26):
thing has a lot more of a capacity, you know,
to use these data sets against whoever it wants to
use it against. Now, if you come up with a justifiable,
a seemingly good case for law enforcement, you know, having
an easier access to I R. S records or something
like that, but maybe you don't really trust the Trump

(02:25:47):
administration to do everything by the book or to really
have good reasons to do all these things. So the
government now is far more of a kind of all
seeing capacity. And that's as a result of the work
that might with spearheading. And you mentioned the Wall Street
immigration enforcement.

Speaker 3 (02:26:05):
Yeah, and you mentioned the Wall Street journal fight. Trump
has kicked him off the plane he's supposed to be
going to Scotland later this week and kicking them off
off that, you know, the press plane or the press
continuent that's going with him to Scotland, and also of
the White House press briefings. Is this a manufactured event?
Is this theater we're seen or is this some real
because he and Rupert Berdock are still friends. How do

(02:26:29):
you see all this this bluster I'm gonna see you
for billions of dollars? Or is this the or is
this just something real behind all of this?

Speaker 11 (02:26:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (02:26:37):
I think there is something very real. And I would
say he and he and Murdoch has been very affective allies.
But I don't think that Murdoch necessarily loves Trump and
would have been happy if he could have gotten rid
of him, and when he couldn't do that, just continued,
you know, alongside of him. You know, he has his
own similarly corrosive wing. You know, Agenda said that he's

(02:27:02):
pushing and wants to continue pushing into his nineties. And uh,
But so I think there is I mean, I think
he's genuinely serious at at Murdoch, and he is genuinely
trying to punish him and put him back in his place.
And Murdoch everything else aside, loves being in media, kankedin
and and doesn't want to doesn't really want to bow

(02:27:24):
down on that point. But if you watch Fox News,
you're not gonna hear a lot about this Epsteine story.
You're gonna hear a lot about Barack Obama doing treason
or something like that. And uh and and so you know,
he's Murdoch is still kind of playing both games at once.
He's got his very legitimate newspaper publishing, very legitimate journalism,

(02:27:44):
and he's got his cable news publishing complete kind of
unfounded slop and maybe maybe that ladder, you.

Speaker 3 (02:27:52):
Know, business on voc We've got to step aside for
a few minutes. I'll let you finish your thought. I
want to come back though. I want you to answer
this question. And because Donald Trump has implied that they
probably will never be another election, I want to get
to your thoughts. If that is just talk or is
there some reality behind that family? You two can join
our conversation with Tim Murphy from Mother Jones. Reach out
to us at eight hundred and four or five zero

(02:28:14):
seventy eight seventy sixth and to take your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (02:28:17):
Next, you're facing with the most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (02:28:23):
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 5 (02:28:48):
Guys in family.

Speaker 3 (02:28:48):
Thanks rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with I
guess Tim Murphy from Mother Jones magazine Momentary. We're going
to speak with attorney Attorney Barbara online. So keep listening
for that because a lot of stuff we're going to
talk with Attorney online with but Tim, I'm to let
you finish your thought on. Bob in Buffalo has a
quick question for you.

Speaker 10 (02:29:08):
Yeah, I think that was mostly what I had. But
I think you know Rupert Murdoch is is sort of
has his own kind of version of conservatism that he
wants that's often aligned with Trump, but not always. And
so that's what you're seeing here in this kind of
butting of heads. He wants to keep doing what the
Wall See Journal is doing, but he's happy to keep

(02:29:30):
churning out what Fox is doing as well.

Speaker 3 (02:29:32):
All right, eight five seventy eight seven six Bobs in Buffalo,
the question for Tim Murphy's online too, Grand Rising Bob Beyond.

Speaker 15 (02:29:39):
With Tim bless Love family, Thank you for your information.
Looking forward to reading the article and see where that
takes me. There's a term that comes to mind as
I listened to you, the term that the firewright uses
called they use it the deep state? Is that something?

Speaker 9 (02:30:00):
Is it to you?

Speaker 15 (02:30:01):
Is that something that's they're against or are they creating
the deep state?

Speaker 9 (02:30:10):
Yeah, that's a that's a great question.

Speaker 13 (02:30:11):
It's this term that we didn't really hear a lot.

Speaker 10 (02:30:13):
Of until recently, in until the Trump era, and I
think it's a good way of thinking about the ways
that they're using, like the kind of non elected powers
of government that they thought they're they're kind of taking
the concept of deep state that they were pillarizing and
using as a punching bag and trying to weaponize that

(02:30:36):
to their own end. So, you know, for the first
Trump administration, everything was the fault of some unelected you know, bureaucrat,
you know, working in the shadows to undermine the elected officials.
And now they're driving all of these long serving civil
servants out of government and trying to either just not

(02:31:00):
replace his jobs at all because we're getting rid of
the US Agency for International Development, or they're staffing them
with a bunch of flunkies with no relevant experience or
kind of a malicious intent. And so the idea is
now that instead of having an IRS that well you
might not want to get a phone call from is

(02:31:22):
kind of diligently working on making people pay their taxes
and collect revenue. Instead of having that, the fear is
that you're going to have an IRS, it's going after
political targets that this previously a political agency is now politicized,
and you can say that you can kind of go
up and down the line. You can take Social Security.
I mean, social Security's got one job. Well now it's

(02:31:43):
being weaponized for immigration enforcement as well. So yeah, in
a sense, he really has kind of taken what I
would not call the deep state, I would just call
it the state, and he's tried to kind of create
this this deep state that is kind of malevant elevolently
using its power against types of people that are considered

(02:32:06):
undesirable or threatening by the current administration.

Speaker 3 (02:32:10):
Yeah, I'm quickly buying the last question that I asked
you about Trump implying that we probably won't have another election,
or this is the last election when I have to
worry about voting. Is this something were on the glide path?
Is to h to fascist him?

Speaker 13 (02:32:23):
There?

Speaker 5 (02:32:24):
Is it speeding up? Or we're just imagining things this morning.

Speaker 11 (02:32:28):
No, we are.

Speaker 10 (02:32:29):
And I think that line by itself, you know, in
the context when he said that, I read that as
a joke. But when you look at what he's done since, well,
first off, if you're even joking about it, you're kind
of on the glide path fascism, and more more broadly,
if you look at what's happened to public officials who

(02:32:50):
aren't of Trump's party since he took office. I mean,
that's what not having in another election looks like. In practice,
even authoritarian regimes have elections, but like, are you really
having a free and fair election? That's a lot different.
I mean, you look at somebody. Ross Baraka, the mayor
of Newark, who was running through governor of New Jersey,
was arrested by the Department of Homeland Security for trespassing,

(02:33:14):
had an ice facility, They had no case. They dropped
it clear threat and intimidation to an elected official of
the opposition party. Congress Foman Lamonica McIver, at the same
protest arrested for allegedly shoving an officer while protesting this
illegal arrest. So that's you know, I mean, that's clear

(02:33:38):
kind of targeting of opposition politicians. Brad Lander, the comptrol
or in New York City, arrested while shepherding folks through
immigration courts. You know, Alex Sadia, the Senator from California,
has thrown to the ground and they tried to handcuff him.
They didn't arrest him for asking a question at a
press conference which he's clearly identified as a US senator,

(02:33:59):
and then they joke about how he's actually a Guantanamo
de teeny. So I think what you're seeing is the
ways in which we will continue to have the trappings
of a of a democratic process, but not the full,
you know, the full you know, values of the democratic
system as as this keeps going, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:34:21):
Thanks Tim, Thanks for writing the article family. By the way,
that the time of the audi is Trump's Washington is
a techno fascist fantasy with with that buscus In the
latest edition of Mother Jones, Tim is going to be
a follow up to this article.

Speaker 10 (02:34:35):
We're gonna we're gonna keep writing about Trump and what
he's up to and kind of this techno fascist drift
for as.

Speaker 7 (02:34:42):
Long as it's happening.

Speaker 5 (02:34:44):
All right, Good for you, and we'll be reading.

Speaker 10 (02:34:45):
Thanks Tim, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:34:48):
All right, Tim Murphy from Mother Jones Family, And ye
you pick up a copy, you can you know, google
it online. You don't have to actually buy the newspaper
these days, magazine these days, but you can pick it
up and read that article if you're concern on what's
going not in the country right now, eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seven, So she's gonna
need that number for our next guest, who happens to
be Attorney Barbara on Wine. She's really the president of

(02:35:08):
the Transformative Justice Coalition. Attorney Barbara on Wine. Welcome, welcome home.

Speaker 5 (02:35:14):
This is this is your home.

Speaker 7 (02:35:15):
A w ol Well, it's great to be here.

Speaker 11 (02:35:19):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:35:21):
Before we get into the other stuff, because I know
you want to talk about Malcolm Jamal Warner. His untimely death.

Speaker 11 (02:35:30):
Yes, what a loss. And he was such a major
figure in Hollywood. He had this really wonderful affirmative black
consciousness and he never you know, gazed up on you know,
looking for ways to help African Americans in the you know,

(02:35:54):
film industry. But in many other ways he was you know,
his own form of philanthropist and he was a really
amazing figure. Most of us grew up with him as
Steel and we laughed because he was all of our
little brother into trouble, and we laughed at the antics
and we enjoyed him. But he was such an authentic

(02:36:16):
actor that you know, we really related to him, and
he gave so many young men of his time. You know, uh,
you know a model, Uh, you know someone you know
dealing with a dad.

Speaker 16 (02:36:31):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (02:36:31):
He really and you know a whole family of you know, siblings.
He really was a major influence. And it's so funny
because so many of us who grew up with the
constantly family every time it was on the air. Uh,
and who came to you know, we love a theo.

(02:36:53):
You know, we we feel like we lost somebody like
a family member. Right. So it's it's really something the
end to die so young, so tragically. It is a
real loss for our community.

Speaker 3 (02:37:08):
And I'm glad you mentioned that he was a role model,
which she was, But then the series itself was a
role model because you know, we had a we had
a family, a lawyer and a doctor medical doctor. People say, oh,
that's all fantasy, that that doesn't happen. But for all
the families of black families they show on TV, so
they're mostly dysfunctional or one parent. Now they showed a

(02:37:29):
family that's doing well living in New York City, and
you know, and they have the issues, the regular issues
that regular families happened and how they dealt with them.

Speaker 5 (02:37:36):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (02:37:37):
I think the whole cast was it was actually a
role model for black women, not just Black America, it's
American period.

Speaker 11 (02:37:45):
And for me, you know, as a black woman lawyer,
you know, seeing a black woman lawyer portrayed on television
was so rare. I mean they never really showed her
and her craft, but at least Felicia Rashaan showed everybody,
you know, how you could actually be a professional and

(02:38:07):
run a real family, uh, and have an honest relationship
with your spouse and with your children. You know, I
just thought there was so much and feel really really
he he got into all these different scrapes, he tried
to come up with all these excuses and ed he

(02:38:28):
was so transparent. It is uh, it is uh you know, uh,
it's tipted your for veritations. I mean, it was just
so well done. And he really was a gifted actor
that he was able to act that part so efficiently.

Speaker 5 (02:38:46):
So well yeah, so well.

Speaker 3 (02:38:48):
And people still call him Fiel, he says, people call him, Yeah,
people stopping on the street. He says that feel feel
you know, you know, it's just I understand, he says,
he understands. So it's not disturbed about it, you know,
use the people to because because you played the role
so well and that's what it is, they think of THEO.

Speaker 11 (02:39:11):
And he had, you know, because he had this black
political consciousness, he understood the role, you know. I mean,
it's interesting how you grew into that that he understood
what that role meant to Black America and he had
no regrets about that. He was willing to be that person.
He understood the need in our community for positive images

(02:39:36):
and he never you know, really gave up on that
that belief.

Speaker 5 (02:39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:39:42):
We Kevin talked about that earlier, you know, this morning.
That he understood his assignment because his dad told him
about all these great black you know, taught him about
it having write papers as well, to make sure you're
not just having read a book, but write a paper
because when you put it on, you put it your description,
what you read, it's sticks with you. And so when
he got the role still, he remembered that and he said,

(02:40:04):
I remember all the things that his dad told him.
And then he went to his down and said, this
is why you told me, and his dad smile. Yeah,
because he understood what his assignment was, that role of Still.

Speaker 11 (02:40:16):
And it's so funny because you say that I'm here
in Nashville at the historic Scarett Bennett Center where the
African American Policy Forum as leading a major conference. Trying
to figure out what you were talking with in your

(02:40:36):
first guess the other guests about authoritarianism in our time, racism,
you know, racial fascism in our time. And one of
the T shirts that they gave me as a gift
while I'm here, because my organization, transformed into Justice Coalition,
is helping to train young people to be voting rights advocates,

(02:40:58):
and we have about twenty four young people were training
in addition to a whole room full of people. And
what is amazing they gave me this T shirt. And
the T shirt is a beautiful picture of a beautiful
black woman and under it it says ancestors, I understand
the assignment.

Speaker 5 (02:41:19):
Oh wow, that's cool. That's really cool.

Speaker 3 (02:41:22):
Family just joined us thirteen minutes after tough there with
Barbara Online. She's an attorney so also the founder of
the Transformative Justice Coalition. Let me ask you this, attorney
r Wine, how do you think you know what was
John Lewis would react to what's going on today because
things have changed since he left us.

Speaker 11 (02:41:40):
Oh you know, I had the pleasure of knowing John Lewis,
spending time with him, fighting for legislation, traveling with him
in Alabama, Uh, you know, and you know his work
that you know, meeting with him, you know, several times
on various forms of legislation were pushing in Congress. So

(02:42:02):
I had the pleasure of really getting to know him.
And one thing I can tell people about him is
that he would be so so courageous in this moment
because that was his nature. And he would not for
one minute hesitate to call this administration to task for

(02:42:26):
his moral lapses. I mean, he would have been just
such a figure. You know, I look at Congress now
and I miss him. You know, Corey's trying to emulate him.
Corey Booker's trying to emulate him. Others are trying to
emulate him. But he was so unique and because of

(02:42:51):
his history who he was. I mean, nobody could question,
you know, his commitment because he was what, you know,
being forty four times people as a freedom writer, being
on that Pettit's bridge that helped to lead to the
pastors of the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five. No, no, no,

(02:43:14):
he would not have hesitated to call out this administration
and people would have listened. You know, I just when
I'm in Congress now, I just miss him because there
really isn't someone of his stature, someone of his history
sitting there who can demand the respect that he demanded.

Speaker 13 (02:43:38):
I mean one thing I.

Speaker 11 (02:43:39):
Will tell you, if he were in the Congress right now,
a lot of the problems the Democrats are having internally,
they wouldn't be as severe because one thing he did
why he was there, and people really didn't understand his
role so well. But now that he's gone, we see

(02:43:59):
the mp act of his absence is that he really
bridged the more let's say, the more progressive parts elements
of the Democratic Party with the more moderate And he
actually was such an advocate for the squad for you know, Alec,

(02:44:21):
for Ayana Pressley, for uh, you know, elin Lemar, you
know that whole that whole generation. He was such a
good bridge and he really kept things in line. It's
no accident that all those riffs and problems manifested themselves
after his death.

Speaker 3 (02:44:43):
How do you think he'd react to to what we
see in New York City? The new Democratic mayoral candidate,
if you will, he's coming from with the Democratic Socialism
and it seems like he's he's lit a spark, if
you will, one of the young people in the Democratic Party,
something they Old God hasn't been able to do. I want,
I want, and we gotta take a short breaks when

(02:45:04):
we come back. How do you think that John Lewis
would react, Would he embrace him or would he be
because right now the Old God is sort of standing
of the office and not supporting him. I want to
get your thoughts on that, and maybe I'm wrong, so
you could correct me. This is where you operate. Attorney
Barbara on Wine Families, I mentioned we got a short breaker.

Speaker 5 (02:45:22):
We come back.

Speaker 3 (02:45:22):
We talked to doctor Attorney Barbara on Wine. If you
want to join the conversation, though, it's free, just reach
out to us at eight hundred and four or five
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Speaker 1 (02:45:32):
Next Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (02:46:03):
Brand Rising Family. Thanks for staying with us on this
Tuesday morning, this twenty second day of July. I guess
there is the Barbara Onwine. She's an attorney. She's the
founder and the president of the Transformative Justice Coalition, and
that group seeks to bring systematic changes the result in
voting justice and equality across the country. Before we left
for the break, I was asking about New York's Democratic

(02:46:24):
mayor oal primary winner that would be Zoraan Mandani and
the fact that the Old Guard is still not embracing
Black folks didn't come out for him in the election.
They still many of them still went with Cuomo. The
Old Guard said, Cuomo is their man. Things still haven't
changed in New York City. Where would John Lewis fall
of on this? Would he still would he be with

(02:46:44):
the Clyburns or would he be with the aocs and
the Democratic Party.

Speaker 11 (02:46:49):
It's interesting. I think he would be highly conflicted. Let
me be very clear. I mean he was a practical politian,
but at the same time, he loved young people. He
loved boldness, he loved bold ideas. He didn't believe and

(02:47:11):
just you know, the just do the same thing that's
always been done before. He would have been inspired, I
think to see Amandani and to see all of these
young people flocking to him, rebelieving in the electoral system
and supporting a progressive ideal, and he never ever, you know,

(02:47:35):
criticized you know, AOC and so many people were you know,
screaming and upset about many of the names you just
mentioned in the Old Guard, And so I think he
would have welcomed Mandanny, but at the same time he
would have tried to talk to Calmo and the others

(02:47:56):
about being practical in this situation and having a winning
mentality instead of a it's got to be our way.
So I think it would have been fascinating to have
watched him in this moment. But we have seen him
in this moment where he's had to, you know, stand

(02:48:17):
up to the Old Guard and basically say no, no, no,
don't you dare you know, criticize you know people for
being too leftist to progressive. You better learn listen to
them and take the best of what they got to
offer and build it into your political agenda. I mean,

(02:48:37):
that's what he would have said. That's what he said
in the past. So I don't have to you know,
gass Illness. I've seen him do it. And like I said,
I think that's one of the things missing in the.

Speaker 7 (02:48:48):
Party right now.

Speaker 11 (02:48:49):
I think if he had been alive twenty twenty four
would have been different. Twenty twenty would have been different
that midterm when he was so sick, and you know,
he died in July seventeenth of you know, twenty twenty.
And I think if he had lived to that midterm,

(02:49:11):
it would have been different because he would have probably
stopped the parties from some of his own self emulation.
So I just think it's we miss him in many
many ways. And I'm so glad that last Thursday we
were able to honor him with the John Lewis Good

(02:49:32):
Trouble Lives On Day of Action. And they have so
many people in the street saying, I am John Lewis.

Speaker 3 (02:49:43):
Wow, that's cool. Everybody's saying I am John Lewis. So
if they were embodying Conshon John Lewis now, and how
can they fix the I guess the puzzle if you will,
I think of a better word. Describe what's going on
with the Democratic Party?

Speaker 5 (02:49:58):
What they need?

Speaker 3 (02:50:00):
All these miscues we're here from the Republicans that all
the stuff that's gone on the Republican Party, it's still
that the Democrats they're just failing in the in the
they're not doing anything in Ussia. How do you think
he would he would you know, get them together.

Speaker 11 (02:50:15):
He would remind, he would really remind them of the
moment that they're in. I think that there's a tendency,
uh in the Democratic leadership to still think they're in
the olden days. I think the House is a little
bit more shaken and aware of how deeply different this

(02:50:39):
time is. But I think, you know, playing the old
political games, uh, you know, aren't what's gonna work in
this time, uh and coming up with new political strategies.

Speaker 7 (02:50:55):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:50:55):
John Lewis, remember she wasn't your true ditional person. When
he got upset about the post A nightclub shooting and
the failure of the Congress to take up, you know,
a gun control legislation, John Lewis didn't give a speech.

(02:51:19):
John Lewis didn't just you know, go talk to Johnson.
John Lewis sat down and let us sit in. You
might recall for at least you know, three, you know,
three to four days he let us sit in in
the Congress. Very disruptive. You know, he was threatened with

(02:51:42):
all kinds of stuff and he wouldn't stop. And he
you know, and I remember his sit in so well
in twenty sixteen because Reverend Jeff Jackson and I I
actually went with Reverend Jackson to the Florida Congress, going
to sit in and met with him and the Maxine

(02:52:06):
and the other leaders on the who were sitting in
and talk to them and encourage them. So I think,
you know, he would be doing more demosterble opposition. He
would give us face a look. When you see a
lot of these polls where the dims are quotes so

(02:52:28):
down in ratings, part of that is the Democratic basis
so angry at what they don't see as enough visible, vocal,
powerful opposition to what's happening right now. They don't want
to just hear speeches. They want to see real opposition.

(02:52:53):
And it's not sufficient because John Lewis would have been
willing to go to jail. John Lewis would have been
willing to, uh, you know, to dominate and stay up
all night roaring, uh if he had to about what
was wrong. I mean, John Lewis was just a different
kind of politician and uh. And I don't want people

(02:53:16):
to think well that's because he cut It's the path
he actually ushered in the future with a lot of
his boldness, and I just think we're missing that, you know. Uh,
and he would have held Oh and the other thing
I loved about him was he gave others courage. Right,
he still gives others courage, but he gave a lot

(02:53:39):
of members of Congress, a lot of the House of
members of the House and members of the Senate courage
to do stuff they wouldn't have done before. Uh So,
I just think that, you know, that kind of leadership
isn't there. And when Al Green and others have provided

(02:54:00):
a more confrontational, more oppositional leadership, they've been criticized and
not embraced. And John Looise would not have let that happen.
So there's a lot that's you know, that we have
to think about regarding the party at this time. I

(02:54:20):
think it needs some radical reworking.

Speaker 3 (02:54:24):
Thirty minutes at the top of our family Barbara Online
and Attorneys. I guess she's the founder and president of
the Transformative Justice Coalition. I gotta ask you this, though,
because what was John Lewis's thoughts about reparations? Did they
ever talk about reparations?

Speaker 11 (02:54:39):
You know, I'm not, I mean, I never heard him
speak against reparations, because, as you know, somebody was reminding
me that one of doctor King's most powerful speeches that
people forget was the speech that he gave speaking on
reparations h and talking about the criticality of reparations. I mean,

(02:55:05):
he was, you know, very supportive of Sheila Jackson Lee
and her efforts. Uh. You know, I've never heard him,
you know, speak against reparations or to say, you know,
back burner it or anything like that. I never heard
him take that poster. And remember that. One thing he

(02:55:26):
did but that I really liked is he gave a
lot of deference to women's leadership. And he believed that
the women you know, suffered in this society from men
trying to always overshadow them, especially in the Congress. So

(02:55:49):
he I think he would we probably don't know more
because he would have been so deferential to Sheila Jackson Lee,
who of course was another the kind of leader who
we missed deeply in the Congress.

Speaker 3 (02:56:04):
Right now, well, I'll turn you on. Let me ask
you this question about reparations though, and the Democrats. Do
you think the Democrats should support reparations? Come out boldly,
you know, full thrown it and support reparation or they're
scared it with the DEI environment, This is not a
good move.

Speaker 5 (02:56:21):
How do you see that happens?

Speaker 3 (02:56:23):
You know, many of our people they call this program
and they want our leaders to embrace reparations, and many
have said they won't support any but even for a
dog catch, unless they support reparations. Do you think this
is something that the Democratic Party should consider?

Speaker 11 (02:56:38):
Absolutely? I mean without a doubt. And I think that
reparations is, you know, part of many things, that the
part that the Democrats should be talking about.

Speaker 13 (02:56:50):
And let me be clear, I don't let.

Speaker 11 (02:56:52):
The Republicans off folks. You know I'm talking about the deals,
but let me be clear, the Republicans also have to
be really held to account here because they've done nothing.
You know, they've you know, they've they've done nothing on reparations.
They in fact, the only thing they really have done

(02:57:12):
is a destructive anti black agenda, anti brown agenda this year.

Speaker 13 (02:57:19):
Uh and they have been our enemies not.

Speaker 11 (02:57:23):
So I think you know that we got to be
clear that there's two parties up there, and both you know,
I have issues and this Republican Party is just reprehensible
in their anti blackness and in their you know, perpetuation
of racial hate and racial division. I'm sick of them

(02:57:44):
but I also think, you know, the Dems should embrace
you know, reparations, uh and social the Republicans, and so
should the Independence. I believe it should be a national accord.
And the reality is is that reparations are you know, rational,

(02:58:06):
They are based on you know, the normal criteria that
internationally has been applied to the award of reparations. We've
given reparations in monetary terms to people who were in
turn during the Japanese tournament, which was you know, which
is a euphemism for a bitter, you know, concentration camp period.

(02:58:29):
Here in the US, we're heading towards another one right now.
If we don't learn, if we don't pay, if we're
not accountable for the roles that we've done in the past,
how the hell are we going to be better in
the future.

Speaker 13 (02:58:42):
I just don't see it.

Speaker 11 (02:58:43):
I think reparations now is an absolute imperative.

Speaker 3 (02:58:49):
Twenty seven away from the top down, Sister Sheena is
joining the conversation. She's in Baltimore online too, ground Rising,
Sister Shina. Your question for Attorney Barbara on.

Speaker 14 (02:58:58):
Wine grand ranking to you both, and thank you so much,
Attorneys Barbara. When my question is what I forgot a
lot for the called, but I'm trying to bring it down.
Our current state's Attorneys Ivan VP Baltimore, is a Democrat,
and he is constantly acting like beyond man against our

(02:59:22):
former state's Attorney Merlan Moseby, who's been out of office
for over two years.

Speaker 10 (02:59:28):
Now.

Speaker 14 (02:59:28):
I'm thankful that we're thankful that the fourth sarc could
have appeal overturned one of our cases, but he is
now found a grievance against her law license and her
former state's attorney's law license for a case that was
vacated due to Brian's Cross's office not overturning exculpatory evidence.

(02:59:49):
So beside the cases basically what I'm referring to it
was overturned and runs but out of office for over
two years, and now our current state's Attorney Ivan bade
to file the griefs against her law license and the
assistant State's attorney, former Assistant states attorney law license, Becky Feldman.

(03:00:10):
So this has really has a lot of people with
the said tasting him mouth about the Democrats, and because
he's now blaming her about the twenty seven individuals that
fell out in the street on Pennsylvania Pennsylvania avenue of
the overduars so and her law light her practices. She
had nobody falling out in the street because she refused

(03:00:31):
to prosecute low level crimes such as someone going in
the urinating in the alley. But she had a ninety
percent conviction rate of the serious crimes, you know, so
she can you give us you know, we were coming
together and they protested. We have our chief information officer
who drafted a letter, but legally this is unprecedent. Can

(03:00:52):
you elaborate on that for me?

Speaker 11 (03:00:54):
Yes, I'm so glad you've talked to You brought up
Marilyn Mose and she is, uh, you know, a Hiro, right,
And because she is a Hiro, she's been punished. You
know a lot of progressive uh you know states attorneys
have been punished. I mean in Florida, the darn governor

(03:01:18):
actually took the position away from the progressive of the
progressive of state attorneys who had been elected there and
was doing a you know, I'm not going to prosecute
low level crimes agenda that was very popular with the
people like Mosby. Was the other thing the carts we

(03:01:39):
can't forget about her was that she went to the
police and her the council. Uh, she went after close
enforcement which great line partially favorite party grade.

Speaker 14 (03:01:50):
Spye right, So she was she did her job.

Speaker 11 (03:01:55):
Now she did did what was elected to do. And
so I us in the court, the Federal District Court
for you know, her hearing with Angela Rye and a
whole lot of other Ben Crump and others. We all,
you know, it's converged upon the court to you know,
to really show you know, public support. The letters did

(03:02:17):
everything we could to trup right and hold on, hold.

Speaker 3 (03:02:20):
Onhing right there at councilor we got to tep aside
a few moments. I think you finish responding to sister
she and question and thank you Sister Sheena, thank you
for that question about Marldon Mosby eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six number to call.
You got a question and comment for attorney Barbara Online.
Don't want to talk about the fact that the Trumpet
administration has just released doctor King's FBI files. What do
you think about that? Reach out to us and we'll

(03:02:41):
take your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (03:02:42):
Thanks Now, back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (03:03:09):
And Grandarizing Family. Thanks to staying with us on Tuesday
morning here the nineteen minutes away from the top of
that with the attorney Barbara on Wine. Turning on Wine
is the founder and the president of the transfor Transformative
Justice Coalition. Before we go back to the let me
just remind you coming in the next few days, you're
going to hear from the founder of the National Conference
of Black Mayors that be johnny Ford, will join us. Also,

(03:03:30):
the President General of the Universal of African People's Organization,
Brother Zaki Bruty, will be here along with author doctor
Tying Wright. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure
your rate us locked in tight on ten ten WLB
or if you're a DMV roun FM ninety five point
nine and am fourteen fifty WL, I'll turn you on one.
I like to finish your response to sister Sheena's question
about the renewed attacks.

Speaker 11 (03:03:50):
And I wanted to say was that from the very beginning,
I'd never understood this case. It was always to me
a which shut because there was no basis uh in
law to me for this case. And the judge during
these hearing, uh you know, at the disre court level,

(03:04:12):
made that quite clear that there was you know, missing elements,
no victims, no, uh you know, it was just almost
it was a victimless quote crime and it wasn't even
a crime in fact. And so I've never uh you know,
seen this case, and I was very disturbed that the

(03:04:33):
Biden administration, lets me very clear, pursued this case. Uh
you know, I'd never understand the d o j's position here.
This was not the best body, uh you know, d
o J that did this case. It was the Biden administration.
So I just, uh, I just think that we have

(03:04:53):
to really uh be clear that that the law enforcement
protects itself and they would go to no lengths to
defend itself. And when you know, the progressive ags, I mean,
state attorneys have suffered all over the country from these

(03:05:14):
kinds of vicious you know, attaxed either by state governors, legislators,
or you know, attempted prosecutions. But the bottom line is
that Marilyn Mosey is a shero. She should be lifted up.
She was driven out of office for no reason other
than the fact that she stood up.

Speaker 3 (03:05:35):
Like she should have all right, sixteen away from the top.
Just finally on Malin Westry, the renewed attacks with Ivan Bates.
Your thoughts about that, What's what she got to gain
from me?

Speaker 11 (03:05:50):
I never understood none of that. I sometimes, I mean,
I really don't other than kurran favor with law enforcement
and kurrean favor with the uh, you know, trying to
you know, be quote moderate or whatever. I've never understood
any of this. I mean, this case to me has
been a sham and a disgrace from day one.

Speaker 3 (03:06:15):
All right, let's talk about the release of the doctor
King's federal FBI files of Trump administration release. John Lewis
would will be against this?

Speaker 5 (03:06:25):
Of course? What your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (03:06:29):
I think, you know, having watched now, this is what
the third release we saw the JFK founds and nothing
has come with any out of it in these fiules.
I mean, we got to remember who we're dealing with.
We're dealing with the FBI, the CIA, you know, and

(03:06:51):
you think they're gonna be truthful about anything. I mean,
I I just think that, especially when it comes to
doctor King, I think every record probably in the foul
was already doctored and mess uh you know, and manipulated,
and uh, I just think that the hatred. I mean
when you look at the hatred that j Edgar Hoover

(03:07:16):
had for Doctor King. Hated him, I mean with with
a passion. People don't know the story fully of how
much he hated King and how much he sought to
break him, to demean him, you know, play in takes
of him, uh, you know, writing letters to his wife, uh,

(03:07:38):
you know, uh, to make her you know, mentally distressed
all the and writing letters to King telling him to
kill himself, all that kind of stuff. I mean, the
FBI was such a horrific player in this, uh that
I don't think you can take anything that they put
into a foul as a truthful document. I think you

(03:08:02):
got to bring a grain of salt to every single
thing they ever did regarding King, because it was always,
you know, a bias. It was always based on undermining him.

Speaker 3 (03:08:21):
As we speak, people are going over with those files
that have been released and people say that, you know,
he's just doing it to tarnish Doctor King's legacy.

Speaker 11 (03:08:28):
What say you, Well, it's regarding the assascination two hundred
and thirty thousand fouls of caution that they want to
tarnish his reputation. But also, like I said, there's no
truth to be found. Because it's all fake doctor. I mean,
while I didn't say fake, there's all you.

Speaker 7 (03:08:48):
Know, doctor documents.

Speaker 11 (03:08:50):
And I think people need to understand that the input
in is corrupt. You know, if somebody asks me, uh
to you know, to do an investigation of Putin, and
you know, and I just you know, and I don't
like him to begin with, and I start just you know,
only putting in. You know, whatever I could think of negative,

(03:09:14):
you know, you're not going to get a true picture
of anything. So I don't think that just like the
jf K files were a nullity. No, it turned out
after all of everybody's speculation and waiting and waiting, it
turned out there was nothing there knew nothing.

Speaker 10 (03:09:30):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (03:09:31):
I think we're going to see if anything, like you said,
uh something that may be negative. But again, I don't
think it's gonna help people to understand what actually happened
to doctor King uh and why and who and why
he was assassinated.

Speaker 3 (03:09:47):
Do you think people, as you mentioned it, probably those
all these files adopted, even if they were original files,
and they could have been doctored as well as they
post the release could have been doctored. Do you think
people will will still have reverence for doctor kow Yes,
I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 11 (03:10:06):
Said, we know that what they actually put in a
lot of the fowls was doctored that they did not
uh that they were you know, trying to prove that
he was you know, all kinds of things. Uh, and
and they wanted to you know, take him down, and
they were only looking for you know, uh information and

(03:10:27):
uh that could be adverse to him. And we know that.
I mean that, I mean, I mean, I mean Jaggar
Hoover was not he was not settled about this. I mean,
this is the man who, when you know, the men
who who constantly you know, lied to presidents, kept his
uh you know, had his own sexual fantasies and all

(03:10:52):
kinds of issues. This was a depraved man who had
too much power and was allowed to roam and to
do things, but he hated civil rights. And he's no
different than Charles Jarvin, I'm sorry, than Curtis Jarvin out here,
you know, with the same kind of mentality towards African Americans.

(03:11:14):
So I think that this is a content that we
have to understand who we're dealing with.

Speaker 3 (03:11:21):
Yeah, I gotta I was gonna ask you the question, though,
what is it. What do you think Hoof's obsession with
doctor King was, Well, why was it? You know, he
was obsessed with doctor King.

Speaker 11 (03:11:32):
Yes, one was his racial hate. You know, he just
he was a racial hater, and he was obsessed with,
you know, trying to destroy black leadership. Oh, he hated
black leadership, any form of black leadership. You got to
remember that he starts his career taking down you know,

(03:11:57):
he starts Marcus Harvey, right, and people forget that he
just hated black liberation leadership and he wanted to do
anything he could and did do during his whole career.
They probably FBI prosecuted more black elected officials the whites

(03:12:20):
they were. You know, it's just assess with destroying any
form of black leadership. And if you think I'm playing,
please look at the co Intel Pro coin tail Pro
you know files that were released and you can see,
you know, this obsession with destroying any kind any form

(03:12:44):
of prominent, powerful black leadership. They it's so why because
they don't believe that black people are equal. They don't
believe He didn't believe black people were equally. He didn't
believe black people were entitled to, you know, to be
treated with equality, didn't believe that it was His thing
was to you know, Jayeggar Hoover's agenda was to actually

(03:13:09):
destroy black power and black equality and black leadership. He
felt the destruction of it was essential to his mission.
What a hateful, evil.

Speaker 3 (03:13:20):
Man eight minutes away from the top. You mentioned his
sexual procivities, if you will. But there's also some talk
attorney online that he was possibly a mulatto.

Speaker 5 (03:13:31):
Have you heard that? Is there any truth that or
is that internet chattick?

Speaker 11 (03:13:34):
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes, I mean I've heard
that this is uh, you know, another form of self hate, right,
I've heard that. I've heard that that was, you know,
part of it. But he was also he was you know,
he had his own depravities. And they said that he
would play tapes of King's breathing. He would play I mean,

(03:13:54):
it was just sick. And this man was just totally
bizarrely sick, and and I just think we have to
understand that. That's why when we're in this era and
we have so many people who you know, suffer from
these same kinds of obsessions and depravities and try to

(03:14:18):
you know, use power wrongfully, that we got to understand
how dangerous that is because ultimately King was assassinated as
a young man. Uh and ultimately, you know, Malcolm was
assassinated ultimately, Uh you know, Garby was driven out of
this country. Uh you know, so uh you know Cali

(03:14:41):
House was actually his first black person that he attacked
for reparations, believe it or not, right for fighting for reparations.
So we got to you know, just understand you know
his long and evil uh you know reign and how
anti black it was.

Speaker 13 (03:15:01):
So I don't trust a.

Speaker 7 (03:15:02):
Thing from this.

Speaker 5 (03:15:04):
Yeah, and you shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (03:15:05):
And you know with how AI is now, the sophistication
of AI, they can release reports of kings saying, you know,
all kinds of stuff. So family, just you know, keep
that as a grain of salt when these when they're
delving into these so called reports, FBI reports, when you
hear them and you said.

Speaker 11 (03:15:22):
It so called reports. Can I also, I know that
our time is short. I just want to make sure
that I say a word of thanks to everybody throughout
the country who were so extraordinary and wonderful on last Thursday,
July seventeenth, working to make sure that John Lewis's courageous

(03:15:47):
spirit was re embraced and actually promoted and propagated throughout
this country. Thank you to the Chicago flagship. Thank you
to all the people who got into those streets. And Carl,
guess what, even though we had almost seventeen hundred registered

(03:16:07):
events around the country multi racial, one of the largest
multi racial of demonstrations we've seen since George Floyd in
twenty in twenty twenty, what was beautiful also, you know
about this was that there were a lot of pop ups,
even in Maryland, where people just you know, called their neighbors,

(03:16:30):
their churches and they just met on the streets. We
never got any of these events listed, but hundreds of
people just turned up spontaneously in locations and held up
signs and expressed their love and appreciation for John Lewis.
That's what courage gets you, folks. It's you know, when

(03:16:52):
you stand for the right thing of those who loved
justice and righteousness cannot forget you.

Speaker 7 (03:17:00):
You become part of history, you become a legacy.

Speaker 11 (03:17:03):
But also you become a continual inspiration. So I just
got to say that, and I want to give a
shout out to my co leader Darryl Attorney Daryl Jones
for all of his hard work. I want to give
a shout out to Black voters matters, to Cliff all Bright,
April all Bright, to Natasha Brown for all of their support,

(03:17:27):
to you know, Leadership Conference for Civil Rights, to the
Legal Women Voters, to the Fight Back Table, to Indivisible,
to fifty to fifty one, to all of these organizations,
the Southern Poverty Law Center, all that made this event
across the nation so powerful. We're not finished. It's not

(03:17:50):
a one off. We will be doing other events in
the spirit of John Lewis, and we will keep racial
justice at the forefront of this twenty twenty five movement.
We will not allow it to somehow this myth, the
fact that we still have a fight for racial justice

(03:18:11):
in this country, that racial division is being played up,
and our fight in response is to demand racial justice.

Speaker 3 (03:18:21):
I got to ask you this because we got about
thirty seconds left, though. How can folks you get in
touch with you? Are you on the air on a
WOL today?

Speaker 11 (03:18:29):
Yes, I will be on at twelve to one with
Daryl Jones for our Igniting Change radio show. We're going
to be talking more about the John Lewis, more about
Malcolm Jamal Warner, more about what's going on in our
country right now. Absolutely, I hope people will listen in.

(03:18:51):
Just back to this station at twelve o'clock today and
every Tuesday at twelve.

Speaker 3 (03:18:58):
All right, Thank you, counselor, thank you for what you
do because you're one of those sisters out there in
the trenches. You know, when it comes to voting, you've
been doing it for quite some time. I want to
thank you and your group for doing.

Speaker 5 (03:19:10):
That for us.

Speaker 11 (03:19:11):
Thank you, and thank you for your what for your
powerful show and bringing so much knowledge to the people constantly.

Speaker 13 (03:19:20):
Thank you very much, appreciated.

Speaker 11 (03:19:22):
Thank you for having me today.

Speaker 3 (03:19:24):
All right, Family, that's Attorney Barbara on one and you
can google her group. Her group is the transfer you
created this group, by the way, you Transformative Justice Coalition.
She's the president of that group as well. Family, we're
done for the day. Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, or you're

(03:19:46):
in the DMV. We're on FM ninety five point nine
and AM fourteen fifty WOL

Speaker 2 (03:20:00):
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