Dr. KMT Inspires Action, Sister Phile Discusses The Million Woman March &

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us right from the national Uh. Marion Woolen March. Sister
phil A grand Rising, welcome to the program. I'm not
hearing sister phil At.

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
I can barely hear you.

Speaker 8 (01:18:04):
Okay, we're working we're working the Western issues we're working through.
I'm sister phill A. But Grid rise and welcome to
the program. All right, She says she has a problem
hearing us anyway, Sister phil A, Okay, I cracked engineer
is working on it right now, Sister phill A, so

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uh uh, maybe just prought up my mic a little
high so she can hear Sister Phila, Okay, yeah, sister,
you know, I want to talk about a bunch of
stuff that we could get a chance to get to.
One of the things I wanted to talk about was
the crisis, neglect and the conflict, the decreased continuation of missing, kidnapped,

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sexually violated, human and sex traffic black women and girls
across the country. And you asked the question, who really
cares about our sisters who are being trafficked?

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
Bro, the call and it's still in a because I
actually literally received a call around five point thirty this morning,
and this is what's going on one of my sisters.
You're in tuliductory call to advice me and parently, it's
all over the news that her actually her niece and
grand niece were victims of an almost unlive murder by

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her spouse. You know, this is something that is going
on all over the country in different kinds of ways.
Like you said, missing kidnapped, exploited, sex and human trafficking.
This is going on all over the nation, in all
of our communities, we've done the research, and the question

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has to now be who really cares well with the
research that we've been doing. Not very many, particularly when
you look at the thousands of organizations, groups, et cetera
that talk about about anti violence, and certainly the ones
that talk about social justice, they basically for the most

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parts have little to nothing in their program in their
agenda that addresses what some would call gender related violations
or violence and abuse. So we're getting ready to really
change that all across the board because the kinds of
things that we're hearing now. I mean, of course, we

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know that all of our people are victims and subjected
to what we know is human rights violations, particularly at
the hands of this government at the system, but we
also have to be realistic now in looking at what
has happened. We believe strongly that what we're seeing with

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our women and girls be the type of violence that
is now being placed on our women and girl is
in fact, as a result, at least to some extent,
of what we call the genetics, and that means it's
a continuous it stems from the continuation of abuse of violence,

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and of course with that we're referring to the treatment
of our people being brought here and those who are
already here in terms of this system. So this has
to now be looked at very carefully, because in psychology
and in other fields of science, it is very clear
that a lot of times violence is as a result

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of being violated, and I dare say we're definitely seeing
that now. And of course it's also indicated that this
will happen with the most vulnerable in your society or
in this case, in the community, and that of course
is our women, children and elders.

Speaker 8 (01:21:51):
And so coming here for a second, as sister Phila
twenty six at the top of our family has just
taking it, I guess is from the National Mali and
Women in marsh to filet. They're selding their thirtieth anniversary
this year, but in twenty twenty seven, I think, But
the sister pil, why do you think it's if this
issue with the missing are missing women and children, girls,

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young girls has been ignored? Are you hearing anything from
any of these civil rights groups of the Congression Black Caucus.
Is anybody else other than yourself talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:22:22):
This issue for the most parts, No, Rather call I
mean there are very few comparatively speaking, very few all
over the country. And again, when you and me talk
about certain topics, know that I can bring you the receipts,
the information to back it up. And to go back

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to your question, one of the reasons is, and again,
what did brother Malcolm say over sixty years ago the
most disrespected I'm paraphrasing, but this was really the point.
The most disrespected person in America, the most un protective
person in America is the black woman. Brother Malcolm said

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that sixty years ago, so obviously, and that brings me
to the point of your question. Why is this something
that's not being talked about, addressed to whatever realistically in
our communities and amongst our groups and organizations. That's because

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there's some taboos and some other kinds of things that
many want to avoid. And that is the inequality the
treatment of our women period from a historical perspective. So
even though we know that the bigger corporate is the

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system and all that goes with it, at some point
we're going to have to really deal with some truth,
and that is within our own communities, there's behaviors that
is not being addressed, and it hasn't been addressed and
that's been going on for a while, so now it

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has festered. Now it has gotten to the point where
it's just out of control. We had a sister here
in Philly again, a beautiful young girl twenty three years
of age, college students studying psychology, and she's kind of
one of the examples. And that has happened a few
years ago, just to show how long we've been tracking

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this and studying it. Young sister, this particular situation was
as a result of dating. She had just started dating
a young man but then decided she didn't want to
continue a relationship with him, and of course that didn't
go over too well because he ended up slitting her

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throat and then cut and then put the house on fire.
So that's what I'm saying. Right with our own communities,
there's certain things, so of course the bigger the other
stuff such as sex and human trafficking. And remember our
research have shown the book the preferred organs is young

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females on the market. The preferred or let me say
it again, the preferred organs on the market is that
of young females. So that's you know, you don't need
a calculator to understand that reality. So again, there's a

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bigger picture with sex trafficking, and we're talking about forcing
women and girls to work. But you also now have
the Internet and other social media outlets that literally program
young girls. I had another young sister, your grandmother, she
every other so on, then have to go to New

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York to retrieve her granddaughter who's thirteen because she has
psychologically been programmed to be with people who you know,
give her certain things to you know, get her hair done,
her nails, and things of that nature. So again, as
black women, we have to now look at ourselves and say,

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wait a minute, what are we doing. We know sisters
do tremendous work all across the board in all kinds
of areas, reparations, homelessness, you name it. But where's the
work that our women are doing, particularly collectively when it
comes to our own girls and women. So again, as

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a part of MWM thirty, which is as you said,
it's going to be happening in twenty twenty seven, we're
going to change all of that. Sisters will have to
be accountable, more accountable to our women and girls. If
energy is being put in Palestine and wherever else, there
has to be a balance. Now to say we have

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this much input, energy, time, effort put in us, that
has to.

Speaker 8 (01:27:15):
Be a primary jun Here for a second, Sister phil
A twenty eight away from the top of family, listening
to Sister phil A from the MIDI in Women's March,
MIDI in Women's March, I should say, pardon me, sister Phila.
Is there any part of the country where this is
more prevalent than others? Is in the south, is in
the northeast, or any city where most of this thing
has taken place?

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
Interestingly enough, it's no, and it's kind of see. This
is why we're creating a campaign, the National Campaign for
the Illumination of All Forms of Violence and Abuse of
Black Women and Girls. We're being very specific, USA, We're
being very specific, and again to answer your question for

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the call, what we're finding is now, of course, certain locations,
it's difficult to see the data because the reports are
not going to be as clear as they are in
certain other safe cities, et cetera. So, for example, you'll
get more data from New York State, New York or

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Pennsylvania or other cities, but then there's other cities you'll
get next to nothing because again if it's not reported,
then it can't be. You can't look at the research,
you can't look at the stats. But I can tell
you this Philadelphia, Washington d C. Washington d C has

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an extremely large number because it's considered a gateway. From Washington,
you are able to be connected within a matter of
two to four hours to various other major cities. Of course,
Philadelphia areas of Pennsylvania, of course, Tomore Maryland, and go

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a little further up in New York. So it's considered
a gateway state or gateway city. The same is Atlanta.
Atlanta has a high rate, but now we're also seeing Florida.
Florida has a high rate because of its capability to
get you out of the country. So yes, there are

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certain cities that definitely have a higher rate than others.
But again, because we don't have proper mechanisms in place
to be able to actually track or observe or whatever,
we're not getting good stats. That's part of our campaign
to make certain that we have something called the Ebony

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Amber Alert, and we do it here at Philadelphia, and
it's only amongst us at this time. Whenever we get
a report, we immediately send it out via email, via text.
It's our grassroots ebony Amber, and amber is not spelt
like you know, there is a federal Amber alert that

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was you know, developed because of the kidnapping of a
young white female. We created the Ebony Amber alert, and
our Amber is represents a million Black women rising. So
the acronym is a mbwr and we still pronounce it amber,
but it represents a million Black women rising because we're

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seeing that our sisters. We know how powerful our women
are and our brothers as well, and we want our
men to also step up and get our backs and
stand with us because again they have mothers, daughters, wives, nieces.
That means everyone has to get involved in this. Everyone

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has an interest, everyone has skinning the game on this,
and if we don't step up to at least act
like we care, that means the enemy really sees things
that they don't need to be saying, and that is
negligence and irresponsibility in such a way. Any any group
of people that really understands dynamics know if you do

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not take care of your women and children, they already
know what they're gonna do with you. This is why
certain groups are very adamant about protecting the women. And yes,
I've heard the other side, which says, well, you know
are women you know sometimes the way they be acting
and the way they be looking, And okay, we're gonna

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deal with that too. That's why we're introducing rights of
passage for our women and girls. And it's both sides,
meaning rights are I G H T s and r
I T e s so that we can address some
of the issues with our women in terms of putting
them on code. We're creating our own Black Women's Agenda

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and codes of conduct right, which which doesn't mean that
the ideas of what people are saying, well, just because
they're wearing something or whatever, that still shouldn't warrant you
to be raped, and definitely not to be kidnapped, and
definitely not to be sex trafficking. So yes, we know

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that there's some things that we assistants got to do,
and that's why we're seeing sisters are going to step
up and do what we need to do to help
better nurture our young girls, give them some other direction
and so forth. We got that, y'all, we're gonna do that.

Speaker 8 (01:32:34):
But hold up then again, sister Fele, because we've got
to step aside a few moments when we come back there.
I love the fact that we talked about this ABNY
Amber alert. How can we spread this nationwide? What do
we need to do? Because this is our problem, so
we have to go with the solutions. Family, let our
community know. The family know that we have a mechanism
set up. So if the member of your family's mission,

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the female members of family and mission, you can report
them and you'll go to Nation one. I'll let you
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Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 8 (01:36:56):
Under an rising Samdry. Thanks for starting your week with us.
A sixteen minutes away from the top the end of
our guest sister file from the Million Woman Marches. You
know they put on that event. Have found a million
man march. Well she's here this morning talking about the
abduction and the sex trafficking of our assistance and what
we can do about it. Before we go back to her,
let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,
we're going to speak with a Pan African educator, doctor

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Kemmick Shockley. He's going to share us how transformative a
Pan Afcan education is for students and teachers alike. You
also talk about his documentary Cultural War focus on black
youth and literally this week, you're going to hear from
clinical psychologist doctor Jeromy Fox Many if you hear him
from his book Addicted to White, Be Oppressed, Illegal the Oppressed,
a shame based alliance. Also, clients are created. Doctor Milana

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Krangle will join us, and the President General of the
Universal African Pupiles Organization, Brother Zaki Brudy, will be here. Also. Yeah,
we've got doctor Haru. Doctor herew is known for cancer
reversals a lot of folks. If you know folks who
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He's also going to have some of the survivors, so

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I'm ten ten WLB also in the DMV on fourteen
fifty w L. All right, let's go back to Sister La. So,

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Sister Hila, this Amber alert that these guys created, I
think it's a great, great, great because obviously our problems,
we're going to have to solve our own problems. You
can't wait anybody else to solve our problems. My question
to you, though, how can we get this across the nation?
Every black city, every black person should know that we
have our own Amber alert to help with one of
our sistants are being trafficked or they're missing, that they

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can go to absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
And that's why our was this Ebony Amber alert, because
we want to make sure that people because when you
say amber alert, a lot of times people think and
hear that as what it is or has been. So
we always put ebony amber alert so that it's very
specific that we're talking about us, and yes, we're not
waiting for the government or a corporation or whatever to

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h to get involved. It just so happened. Brother Raza
Khan called me the other day. You might remember him,
brother called, of course, the mate for Cisapian Africa. He
called me the other day with his concern final you know,
people are finally kind of hearing it, and he said, listen,
I will donate a thousand trackers right for children, because

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you know, we're hearing all of these these things are happening,
but very few are stepping up to do anything. So
he himself said he is committed to donating a thousand trackers.
So we talked about it and I said, well, I'm
not sure if that's the way we want to go.
So it's still working that out. But the mere fact
that this black man stood up and said called me

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and said I want to get involved. That's a good
start right there for brothers to here's part of our plan.
Brother called just so you'll know. So in creating this campaign,
we're going nationwide, Like in January, I'll be in Boston,
I'll be in some of the other cities that lead
to Boston, New York, et cetera. To bring this information,

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do assessment, town hall means, and start setting up the
task forces. Because this can't just be a conference or
a summit. This has to be an on going initiative.
So it's going to take time that I'll go back
to your question about the actual we're looking to do
an app to summarize that. The other part that is,

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we're working on an app so that folks can download
the app soon. Do you hear something in your community,
you send it right out and it'll go out nationwide
because with kidnapping and trafficking, that often means that the person,
the child, the woman, the labor is going to be
taken out of state. So it's important that we get
the information circulated in other locations so as well, and

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again amongst us, we know that social media is powerful
now therefore there is no excuses. Now on the grass
roots level, our action plan is we're organizing, coordinating what
we call the bb b CO. The Big b BCO
consists of Black beauticians, braikers, barbers and cosmetologists b b

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b COO. Just saying the name resonates something if you
know what I'm talking about, which we just commimorate Stephen
Becos born day, by the way, but again in that spirit,
and so once we connect our black beauticians, braids, barbers
and cosmetologists, that means within our communities nationwide, we have

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a built in network because the research that we have
showed us every family in the neighborhood, in the hood
or wherever is going to one of those people at
least twice a month. That means if we give information
to our members of the BBBCO, they will have flyers,

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burchures or whatever in your shops. That means that automatically
we are communicating with our people on the grassroots level.
So the app is one thing for those who are
into the social media, the internet, the virtual thing, But
what about the folks that are not, So we figured
out how to reach them too. So if our own folk,

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and these will be members BBBCO, have posters or flyers
in their shops, that means we are circulating information amongst
ourselves with one another. Now that's not a true example
of Kujichangaliya and all the other principles which our more
quins are coming up. How do we do that on
a day to day basis? This is one perfect way

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to exemplify that.

Speaker 8 (01:43:01):
Yeah, oh that's all right there, ten away from it.
Something our brother Kareem is joining. Let's just calling from
Baltimore's online too. Grand rizing brother Kareem, you're on with
Sister phil A.

Speaker 13 (01:43:11):
Thank geez call you sound the shock when you heard
that that was a black person that did that. But
they sometimes are the ones that act as the gatekeeper
because they think that it is something that is that obligation.
We need to understand that we us coming together, needs
us coming together a regardles of what you make the

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guy to come together. So I think this sister was
sticking in there and saying and now trying to taint
the rugg like we do well try to figure out
how to do it from the out outside because we
do need to do things on the outside on the inside.
So thank you, sister, keep doing the dirt work you're doing.
Thank you, Carl.

Speaker 14 (01:43:54):
I appreciate you for everything you do.

Speaker 15 (01:43:56):
Y'all have a wonderful day, see.

Speaker 8 (01:43:58):
Brother cory A.

Speaker 7 (01:44:00):
Sister Philla.

Speaker 8 (01:44:01):
One of the things you said earlier that this really
struck me. You talked about organs. Is there any proof
that organs have been harvested by these young sisters or
black women that have been trafficked. Do you have any proof?
Do you have any receipts on that?

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
What we have are at this point indications, and again
in order to really see most groups are funded for
the call, meaning they're getting corporate or government sponsoring. We've
never had any of that, so we have to be
very creative and also very mindful of our limited resources.

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So to answer your question, No, I can't give you
real receipts on that. I can only give you the
information that we've been able to get thus far, which
is really on the grassroots level, because trying to get
information of that type in a law more external kind

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of way is very difficult and requires more resources than
what we have. Again, we've never had corporate sponsor me,
We've never had a grant, but we do as much
as not more work than folks that do. So Hopefully,
as we've developed this campaign, people will see the value
of what we bring to the table and the genuineness

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because we certainly could have capitalized off of the work
and the history up to me, we could have been
gotten bukou moneies and was offered it by the way
and we refused it over the years, and it has
been very difficult to continue and let this movement grow,
but we've done it. But so again we're hoping that

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our next initiative will allow us.

Speaker 9 (01:45:51):
To be able.

Speaker 7 (01:45:52):
But I will tell you this for the call just
last week and you probably saw this case. This case
in fact, one of my sisters is going to have
the father on her podcast later this week. There was
the report of twins who were in the hospital. Unfortunately
one of them did not survive. And there's a whole

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nother story with that in terms of the interaction with
the family. But the bottom line is when the child
got to the funeral place home whatever, she didn't have
any organs. Now that's documented, we did and the father
is available for you to talk to if you like.

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So that's a fact.

Speaker 8 (01:46:37):
So what I'd love to talk to him, sister fay
So hooked that up for us. Six minutes away from
the top day out, we're talking about a break reel, sir.
But I got to ask you this the domestic violence issue,
because I know came close to you with your niece.
Can you would you like to share that or can
you share that with us?

Speaker 7 (01:46:56):
What happened well that today this morning. That wasn't my niece.
That was a sister, one of our member of MWN
member sisters. But I can share with you, you know,
some of our own perusal experiences.

Speaker 8 (01:47:09):
In fact, years.

Speaker 7 (01:47:11):
Ago I got involved with this issue. I was in
college and you know, did community work even then, and
one of the sisters in our community, who was a
Hebrew Israelite at the time, there were some problems. And
note when we say domestic again, we got to take
some of this out of the context of the European jargon,

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because for us, domestic just doesn't just mean family, partner.
Whatever domestic means us. It's like when you go to
the airport and you see international and domestic. So we
always link certain things to this whole system. So I
just wanted to make that clear to folks because there's

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a stigma in using certain words and it turns folks off.
What we do is put it in the context of
you recognizing that we recognize from whence it comes. So
now let's move forward with targeting the specific thing of
partner or associate or or parent or whether the bottom

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line is years ago, young sister in our community, beautiful beautiful,
spirited young sister gave me a call in the night
again and you know, conveyed some issues. And at that time,
we used to really have a community where we also
had brothers in our community who if you called, would

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you know, intervene in certain kinds of ways if we
needed brothers to do that. Right, that's not really happening
now unless you're in a certain specific group, but we
used to have that in our community in general. So
I was kind of one of the people that folks felt,
you know, pretty at east to call about certain issues. Anyway,

(01:48:58):
sister call and she said, you know, some things have happened.
Da da da da da, and we talked. So a
day or so later she called me again and she said, well,
I'm going back, because she had left home, said I'm
going back. And I said, well, sister, why are you
going back again? And she said, because that's my soulmate.

(01:49:20):
And for some reason, brother called me and she said
that it's like something just went right through me. I
knew I could just feel something was just not right. Well,
a day or so later, I get another call, and
that call was that this sister no longer was with us,
that her husband had in fact decided you know, that

(01:49:43):
she was to not be here any longer. But he
also decided that for himself too, and then he threw
one of the children out of the window, and then
he also entered the older one. So my brother and I,
of course, you know, had to deal with that issue
because we were really in our community at that time

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in Philadelphia, we were really a community. So we went
to the hospital and the baby, this was a young baby.
I don't believe the baby was more than a year.
Well they were crossed, maybe two years old. But the
baby had cast on both hands, both legs, and a
hammer hole in his head in the front and stitches

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from one ear over to the other ear. That's when
I got involved, because we're.

Speaker 8 (01:50:33):
Right there, Sister phil A. We got to check the
traffic and where. Wow, that's a lot to absorb right there,
but we got to check the traffic and weather in
our different cities. It's two minutes away from the top
of our family, Sister Philly from the National Women's million
Men's Marches. Well us, Mom and Tarid, we're going to
speak with doctor Shaka. He's a Pan African educator. You
want to get in on any of our conversations this morning.
Just reach out to us at eight hundred four or

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five zero seventy eight seventy six and they'll take a
cross after the traffic to update this.

Speaker 12 (01:51:00):
Next crash on the Beltway in New Carrollton, and that's

(01:51:27):
what's giving us delays in each direction. Inner loop side
is where the accident happened. After the Baltimore Washington Parkway,
before you get to four fifty and Apolis Road. Interloop
slow downs backing their route one near the IKEA outer
loop heavy to check it out. Back near fifty the
John Hanson Highway, that way through Forestville looking great each
direction and to the Wilson Bridge. Boy, we catch a
break this morning. Running lighter than normal. A lot of

(01:51:48):
our area roadways are running a bit lighter than normal.
Earlier crash on New York Avenue and bound after Bladensburg
Road cleared. Just back to our normal volume delays. Getting
through that signal light northbound two ninety five, it's the
volume ring onto the inbound eleven Street bridge. Once you
get onto six ninety five, the freeway wide open to
get you past the third Street tunnel. Now look at
your forecast, we'll see plenty of sunshine this afternoon. Today's

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Speaker 6 (01:52:55):
You're fucking with the Most Host submission the Carl Nelson Show,
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Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Most Man.

Speaker 8 (01:53:27):
And Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting a week with us.
Three minutes after the top of the alt momentary, we're
going to speak with doctor Kemmick Shockley. We're gonna talk
about education. But let's travel with Sister Philis. Sister philas
with the National Women in March, and she's telling us
about the there's a prolification if you will have sisters
and young young children as well being traffic and also

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the domestic violence that are taking place in our community.
And as we said before, you know, these are our problems.
And if we don't know it by now, we're the
ones going to have to solve these problems. You can't
wait on the government. They've already told you how they
feel about us. So we have to solve these problems.
And let me just say this, the brothers out there,
we have to do better. We have to do much
much better. Sister Phil, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (01:54:13):
You know, brother calm, when you get a chance. I
did send you both of the articles that I refer to,
the one with the twin babies that was in Fort Worth,
Texas that just happened last week or so, and the
other one that I just got this morning. I just
sent you the article on that that was the shooting
of the mother and the baby. So again, you know,

(01:54:35):
those are some of the issues that are right in
our communities. And then the other one, of course, is
a little broader, and that is of course with the
human sex trafficking, et cetera. Again, we're looking at every
area of what we call gender related violations, and it's
kind of like a chip. We call it the Willie

(01:54:57):
Lynch chip in some of our brain means and spirit.
Where as soon as you hear something, the Willie Lynch's
chip will automatically tune it out. And that's what we
feel is going on when we start talking about certain
issues that are related to our women and girls. There's
a programming within our people, and that programming is I

(01:55:21):
don't want to hear that. I don't you know. It's
almost like you know you automatically, they just don't want
to hear it. And we believe as part of the
programming there's a psychological thing going on, because once you
see know and address that, Like the great nanas Amon
once said, I had the opportunity to sit with her

(01:55:42):
again when I was in college, and she once said,
once you know, you can never not know again.

Speaker 8 (01:55:49):
And so people rather not know, they rather not know. Wow,
how can we help you get out this ebony Amber alert?
How can we help you?

Speaker 15 (01:56:01):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:56:01):
Two things. One is we're heading to Cali next year
in March to commemorate the sixtieth year anniversary of the
first Black student union being formed in the US. So
part of that is to start getting directly with some
of our young folks because to develop an app and

(01:56:21):
then to make sure it's really function and so forth.
We need technical folks. We need folks that have that
kind of you know, love or whatever capability dealing with technology.
So we notice some of our young folks really are
into that, but it doesn't matter. You know, we're not
discriminatory when they come to age. So if it's so,
if anyone is in the field of technology, we really

(01:56:44):
need to sit with you so that we can work out,
you know, map out all the little nuances of doing
this because it really require some expertise. I mean, we're
doing it on our own, but to deal with on
a national level the way that it really needs to
be done, we're gonna need some help. We need some assistance.
So folks that have it or other kinds of insight

(01:57:07):
into technology, we need to meet with you to get
better advice and insight on how to proceed. The other way,
of course, is for folks to join the campaign. We
need people to volunteer to consult and other kinds of things.
We have to also draft legislation because there has to

(01:57:29):
be a whole variety of components put in place in order,
but it's to really be maximized because other than that
even with us moving forward amongst ourselves. That's definitely the
first step because I'm always about grassroots first, but ultimately
it has to be taken into other arenas. So black

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elected officials, we got to hold the more accountable. If
they want your vote and they asking for it, questions
need to now be raised. What is your position or
what are you talking about doing when it comes to
this issue. So we have to do with lobbying and
other kinds of things. So the bottom line is get involved, family,
I give you my contact information. We're getting ready to

(01:58:12):
do town hall meetings and summons and other things so
that folks can literally get hands on. And lastly, we're
doing training, particularly for women and girls, not just in
physical self defense, but in mental and spiritual self defense,
so we need trainers for that too.

Speaker 8 (01:58:33):
Wow. Also, what I'd love to see is have sister
FILA is a group of lawyers or you know, maybe students,
law students, legal paralegals who donate, you know, their their
services pro bonos nationals. So if there's a problem in

(01:58:54):
Detroit or a problem in New Orleans, that group will
just say, Okay, we're going to take care of our people.
That's the only way we're going to survive because you know,
I'm telling you, we have to create these These are
mechanisms for us, for our people where we don't think
about how much money you got or you know, how
much how much it a're going to send you a check.

Speaker 7 (01:59:12):
Let's just do it.

Speaker 8 (01:59:14):
I'd love to see that if we could create that that.
You know, I'm not in the legal field, so I
know some lawyers do it individually, but we need to
have it done on a national basis. And again, were
looking around. Everybody's looking around by trying to pay off
this that that, that, the law from laws, going to
law school. I understand all of that, but you also
can donate some time to our people. That's what I

(01:59:34):
love to see. So your group, like you, like your group,
you can utilize those those that expose legal minds in
any air in the country. So that's what I think.
But let's let's let's talk into existence. Let's talk about it.
Maybe someone's out there and the lawyer will take up
the ball and run with it.

Speaker 11 (01:59:52):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:59:54):
See, that's what we're talking about. When we have these conversations, brother,
call for me. It's always going to be productive because
everything connects and so there's nothing too small, nothing too law.
It all connects and at some point we can make
it happen. We saw that with the million Woman in March.
It started with one version and then it ended up

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being two million, so we know that something can start
and grow in such a way. Unfortunately, people didn't realize
we were still growing, we were still working. But they're
going to realize it now because we come as strong.

Speaker 8 (02:00:29):
All right, So how can folks reach your sister fill a?

Speaker 7 (02:00:32):
All right? They can reach us via email at national
spelled out in a TiO in a L M W
M of course, Million Women March. So it's m WM
at aol dot com again National m WM at aol

(02:00:53):
dot com. Or you could reach me directly, text us better,
but phone call is cool too, and that's two six
seven six three six three eight zero two again two
six seven six three six three eight zero two. If
you want to schedule a meeting, then we can come

(02:01:13):
to your city, your community, or even if it's on zoom.
But were ready to hit the streets, so we'll come directly. Actually,
we'll be back in DC next month. Then again we're
going to Boston. We're hitting the streets, y'all. So this
is what has to now happen, and we need folks
to bring us into your city. Let's have this not

(02:01:35):
only discussion, but let's hear the plans of action and
step up.

Speaker 8 (02:01:39):
And get it done. Ah shay to that, and thank you,
sister Phile. Keep us in the loop. Please let's make
this thing happen.

Speaker 7 (02:01:47):
Absolutely, Thank you, brother Carl.

Speaker 8 (02:01:50):
All Right, family, that's sister Phila from the National Women's
At March eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seven. Just keep that number head of your Maybe
for our next guest, who hamsby dot Org Chemick Shockley,
Doctor Kemmick Shockley is an educator Pen Afcan educator, doctor
Sharkley Grand Rising. Welcome to the program, Dan Rising.

Speaker 14 (02:02:09):
About those good to hear them. It is good to
talk to you. Good to hear that conversation. We are
just having a very important one to be back on
the show.

Speaker 8 (02:02:19):
Well, you know, it's interesting that we have that conversation.
We want to talk about education. This is your this
is your area, doctor Shockley, and you said that it's
you know, Pan African education is paramount for our people.
You say, not only for the students, but also for
the teachers as well. And one of the things that
you know, our brother ashra Quasi always was it says

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no that shelf. He thinks that's this and he could
be onto something here the solution for many of the
problems that we see in our schools with our young
people because they don't know who they are, even adults.
If they knew who they are, You'll tell you, if
they knew who they are or the greatness they come from,
they wouldn't be attacking each other. You would say nothing
mad about another black person. If you understood who you are,

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that would not come to the surface of your mind.
So how do we get that? How do we teach that?
Because that's where he comes from, you know, it's where
you come in about Shakhi. How can we teach our
young especially our young people. We got adults who we've
got people in the in the pulpit, in the mosque
that we're involved in this kind of nonsense as well.

Speaker 15 (02:03:21):
But let's start with.

Speaker 8 (02:03:22):
Our young people. How do we get them? How do
we teach them about their history?

Speaker 14 (02:03:28):
That's one of the most important questions I think that
we could ponder.

Speaker 8 (02:03:34):
Right.

Speaker 14 (02:03:35):
I'll start by saying that you know, many people know
me as a professor. For the past twenty three years,
I've worked as a college professor, teaching students and going
around doing presentations and things of this nature, writing books, documentaries.
You make me oh, this semester or next semester, that
won't be happening. I've been working in schools and one

(02:04:00):
of the things that just last week, I had a
very interesting meeting with a principal in Delaware who is
trying to do some work. I guess you could say
in a center of education, a principal who is trying
to change her school from being a regular public school
but to one that's more black culturally focused. I won't

(02:04:22):
say African center, but definitely Black culturally focused. I will
say that over the past of the months, one of
the things that I've noticed is that those of us
who are in the consciousness movement, we know about Queen
t We know about the Heart, the m Hotel, etc.
We know about Queen and Zings, the content, We nade

(02:04:44):
it all the great thinkers, Donning mcclart, the great Anthony
Brownige is our Francis, because well, all the people that
we know really are bringing it home for us. But
if you go into the schools and you really pay
attention to what's happening in the schools, the children, black
children are not getting any of that.

Speaker 13 (02:05:03):
Really.

Speaker 14 (02:05:05):
I know that there are some Black children that are
getting in those who are in certain types of schools,
African center schools, whatever you want to call them, Pan
African schools. But essentially, when you look at the textbooks,
when you actually examine within the textbooks in regular curriculum,
which I'm going around helping people with as well as

(02:05:27):
the AP curriculum that is being an ap African American
history for example, children have teachers who essentially don't know
information about the black history culture inheritage enough to transmit
back to the young people. So what's happening is we're

(02:05:49):
preparing to be yet another generation who will have to
quote come into consciousness when they get into their late twenties, etc.
As opposed to entering into consciousness as a teenager, so
that we can have their mindset right from the time
that they're young. So they're going to go through the
same thing that I went through unconscious any audist until

(02:06:14):
I was in my new twins. So I'm afraid that
what we're going to do that. We're not really preparing
the next generation that we might think we are, because
you might have consciousness, do individually we who listen to
this program and who are out in the world, But

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our children are actually being attacked by the curriculum that
is in existence. We're in a very serious war. But
I don't want anybody to do this letter to thinking
that the information that we have percolating in our minds
is getting to black children. So this is the reason

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why I made the film Cultural War focused on Like You,
which is on Amazon time Scale, it's on TV, It's
happened to the Plus, because I want people to understand
the exactly happening to the young people, not the few,
but to the men. So we have got to figure

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out how to help our teachers, who might have knowledge
and information, how to tell it at to the curriculum
that they're being forced to teach in the schools. And
then the last thing I'll say about that part is
I'm seeing strategic placements. So in places where we if

(02:07:38):
we had a conscious or a well beeping black person
to help children and teachers, the system is strategically placing
people in spots for all of that has stopped. So
if it's just like that, are very good. It seems,
I mean, maybe others already known this, but I'm learning

(02:08:00):
and how the system is so good at finding certain
kind of thinkers and putting them in place so that
we can't move projects forward that are going to really
top our community and our children.

Speaker 7 (02:08:14):
It's very interesting.

Speaker 8 (02:08:16):
That's what I set aside for a females. Hold that
felt right there. Eighteen minutes after the top of our
family want to get in on this conversation about education,
reach out to us. He speak to doctor Timic Shockley.
He's a time aftercan educator. You can reach him at
eight hundred full five zero. We'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Fourteen fifty wol Now back to the Karl Nelson Show.

Speaker 8 (02:09:37):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us. Twenty one minutes after the top of there
that I asked, I'm educated, doctor Chemick, Shockoley, doctor shot.
He helps teachers, he helps students, are all levels of education.
So I got to ask you, and we got some
folks want to talk to you. But my quick question
for you, doctor Sharckley, is that as a teacher, is

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there any way that you can model five the curriculum
without getting permission from from administration or somebody. Can you
slip something out? Can you tell them about Cleopatrick? Can
you tell them about Massa Musa? Can? Is the way
you can? You know, do that without violating the structure
of that the school board is set up. Can teach

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us do that? Especially in that public school system?

Speaker 14 (02:10:22):
Again an excellent question, and the answer to that is
less you can, but so you can. You can teach
truth about the things that we will all agree they
need to know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
But you have to be.

Speaker 14 (02:10:40):
Not to be so well burst in the existing real
certc curriculum. So that's the first trouble is that many
teachers aren't well worst in the real centric curriculum. But
the first had that down. Then you have to have
the African information of the information about our ancestors in

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our community and have the skill to be able to
leave them together and present a holistic picture to our students.
So we're not at a point yet. We'll reorganize doctormnity
well enough, but we don't have to teach the eurocentric
stuff and teachers could still keep their jobs. So if
you don't teach the eurocentric information, we're going to be

(02:11:26):
in trouble. But if you don't have enough of the
African centric information to combat that, you don't then have
the skill and knowledge to be able to do much
on that need. But then even if you have it,
we have to have the skill to be able to

(02:11:46):
present a package to sins that gets them to information
leaning and still teach you employed at the school, what
I'm finding is whole like hardly any teachers, even though
once again they might feel like we've got a lot
of conscious people. But I hate to say it, but

(02:12:08):
I'm with most teachers. Most of the people who are
teaching our students, they're not conscious. That's not a person
who reads and studies information that we would consider to
be really important that kids Black kids need to know.
So there's a deeping hole there between what aster crazy
is saying about knowing byself. True, you know who we are,

(02:12:32):
just we'll be able to do better, But knowing who
we are, that's a long way a learning. When I
look at the people now, look when I was walking
through a school as going to work at a few
different schools, including one that I'm not a lot and
not a single person during the first fifteen or twenty

(02:12:53):
month days of December. I didn't see one teacher across
four schools mentioned the word qantas they had Christmas things
in the school. None of the teachers I just asked
about ten, do you know who malna Plena is? None
of them who that was one person had sort of

(02:13:17):
They all knew had heard the word clons, but the
one person kind of knew sort of that you got
seven days, that they weren't totally sure what you do
on those seven days, and they weren't fully interested in
days to nowhere. So we have to understand the major
death between where we think we are and where we
actually are as the community. I think, you know, it's

(02:13:40):
beginning to look a lot like Christmas in these classrooms.
Playing a Christmas tree on the teacher's desk, is all
kinds of Christmas stuff happening in the fashion music, Christmas
music programs. Nothing, no one doing anything related to Quanta.
There was no teaching about it in any classroom. There

(02:14:03):
was no red, black or green anywhere, no discussion of anything,
and the children are just kind of there. So yeah,
I agree with gott ashra crazy and what it's saying.
But we're going to have to figure out a way
to fight children so that we're not looking at the

(02:14:24):
same situation in ten more years.

Speaker 8 (02:14:28):
Well, let me ask you, so, is it because they
do not know about Klanja or they are afraid to
talk about Klonda? How which is it?

Speaker 14 (02:14:38):
It's hard to think because when I say to them, well,
let me tell you a little on quanza from things
that you might be to do in your classroom that
focus on this holiday, they shape their head yet and
they look like they're in agreement. But I can't tell
if it's well, I really don't care, or I you know,

(02:15:00):
I can't. I can't made up that it is more
I don't care, or if it's more what are you
talking about on two uninformed? I think sometimes it's religious.
I think there are some people who feel like the
Kansa is in conflict with they're religions. But even when
it's not to the cultural colony. But also it's leadership.

(02:15:25):
So we have very few principles who actually know what
this stuff is and wanted to be taught to kids
in classrooms. So I mentioned I was in Delaware last week,
and when I was talking to principal in Delaware of
sort of billing and you know, the culture of sorts.
When the principle I mentioned this to principal, I asked

(02:15:47):
principal about it. She said, we're having such a difficult
time just getting you know, well, we're getting to proficiency
with our kids in the in the curriculum that this
system wants us to do. I can't imagine trying to
bring in something else. So they still see it as
an adum. They don't see it as something that's essential
for black children. So there's a lot of dissimilation. I

(02:16:10):
think that's happening, and there's a lot of alienation away
from who black people are. It is I just I
was thinking with two mindsets about the people that I
know and the people that I spend a lot of
time around, versus what I'm actually seeing in schools with kids.
It's just winning no relationships. Schools are very Eurocentric, very

(02:16:33):
high tied black, and they are not changing. They still
to Christopher Columbus discovered America, for example, even though we
know that from our perspective, Christopher Columbus only discovered America
for Europeans. That's not talk though, you know. So yeah,
it's uh, we're not such a long way to go

(02:16:55):
with our kids. We don't understand that well that you know,
while we hope that every things are happening in schools,
but both on the other side are plotting and planning,
and they are high. They're largely their wedding. So yeah,
Steve has replaced the rights of passage and it has failed.
And you know, people without a rights producing adults without

(02:17:17):
any obligation to their community. So they are having feared
growing up without that such that they belong to the
black community, but they have an obligation to their black community.
So yeah, yeah, I think we got a long way
to go on what's happening in education to get our
young people in the right head space.

Speaker 8 (02:17:38):
Wow, thirty minutes at the top of their family, I
guess it's educated. Doctor Kemmick Shockley. If were we go
back to the mission mind, you talked about Quanti quansa creator,
Doctor Milana Krenger will be here later this week, so
keep listening to you. If we've got any questions about quantity,
you can direct them to doctor Karenga. Also, brother Tony
Brown is having a Quanze lecture in Baltimore that's on Tuesday.
The thirtieth and from six to nine at Everyone's Play

(02:18:00):
in Baltimore.

Speaker 14 (02:18:01):
You know where that is.

Speaker 8 (02:18:01):
All folks in Baltimore were that that's always going to
have this conversation at least responsored by Everyone's place. It's
going to be at the most worshipful called during Lodge
at Maryland on Utah places. So anyway, that's coming up,
not this Tuesday, but the following Tuesday, eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six feeks
to dot Shokley. Carl's calling us from West Palm Beach

(02:18:23):
in Florida. He's on line three, Grant Rising. Carl, your
question for doctor I'm on.

Speaker 17 (02:18:28):
The radio, Grand Rising question, Go ahead, Yeah, Brother Chakkra,
I would like for you to investigate the idea of
it's the Florida Statue of Florida law and it's called
Florida Statue one zero zero three point four two eights

(02:18:48):
where they're talking about education in the state of Florida
where they were they are responsible for infusing the African
and African American history into public schools. We have sixty
seven counties in the state of Florida and I'm in
Palm Beach County, and we always take the pride of

(02:19:09):
being leaders in that kind of effort. And if you
would investigate that as well as those who are listening.
It's a Florida law. It's Florida Statue one zero zero
three point four two eights and it stipulates that all
of the educate everybody in the state of Florida is
supposed to be focusing on the African and African American history.

(02:19:34):
And it's been a problem because ever since this law
was passed in nineteen ninety four, we haven't been able
to be able to get the response that is necessary
because we know the injury and the impact. And if
I could offer that to you and when you come
if this is the home of Donald Trump, this is
where mal Lago is located, if you come to the

(02:19:56):
Palm Beach County School District and acts the soup friend
Tim to ask the chairman that asks all of the
board members to give you a comprehensive knowledge of what
is what they're doing. As a relations to that law,
I think we could resolve all of the problems that
we have in public education and in Florida law because

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it supersedes all of the other things, and I just
wanted to offer that. And when you come, my name,
my name is brother Karl Muhammad. And when you come,
I would love to be because I'm I identify as
the longest volunteer in the history upon Beach County for
African American children. Reach out and I hope and pre
sincerely because I hear the uh the concept, the consciousness

(02:20:42):
that you provide for us. I just want to make
sure that we can hook up with our sisters that
just went on before you and we could start the
process of possibly the direction of our family. And I
pray to understood what I had to say, all.

Speaker 14 (02:20:58):
Right, appreciate that. And in fact, maybe about a month ago,
I was speaking of someone about the Florida statute that
he's that he's talking about. They're not the only state
that has such statutes on the board on the books.
That one of the issues that is, so you have

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a first of all, you have the issue of are
they are teachers informed enough to battle so that they
can implement that statute into the curriculum and teach the
kids the information. The answer to that it resounding. Know
you also have in Florida that they created another law,

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though the kind of sim of it. I think it
was something about I think it's called a stop Work
Act or something like that, that they were saying that
they're using that to get in their way of the
statue that the caller was talking about ten O three.
It's it's really interesting because there's a contradiction in what

(02:22:08):
Florida is saying. They want their students, they want their
teachers to be able to do what allowed in schools
to teach, and then what the larger legislature is actually
doing in Florida. So it's not working. So in another sense,
another thing you have in Florida is that there's no
there's no way to encurse the statutes. In other words,

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when when school systems in board say that they don't
want things taught in schools, they put in an enforcement
odd For example, you can't get away in a a
in a school with not teaching about because say you're
teaching at the high school level, and we're not going

(02:22:54):
to get away with not teaching the children about somebody
like Lewis and Clark, the sort of Lewis it's called expedition.
You don't teach about that. There's going to be something
there's gonna be something in the performance review about it,
So I'm using that as an example. However, there's nothing
in the performance review that says that, hey, are you

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doing what we asked you to be the addition to
turn on through the law that the gentleman just spoke about. No,
there's nothing forcing you to teach it, so you don't
have to teach it. There's no accountability, there's no enforcement.
So there's also a lot of day language in the

(02:23:36):
work at that folks are talking about, and what that
has done has created a situation where teachers don't know
what to do. Even if they knew that they could
teach you, many of them don't have the information because
when you go through the College of Education, where I've
spent the last twenty three years of my life working

(02:23:57):
inside of College of the Education, who is there to
teach the information that needs to be transmitted to the teachers.
Well that's what not in almost all college of Education,
including hbc US information what they called the to the

(02:24:19):
the I forgot what a call. But there's a there's
a set of classes that you have to take that
are teaching you how to teach children. None of them
focus on how to teach black children. None of them
focused on information related to African history, culture andhantage. So
if you're going to be a faith class system that

(02:24:39):
teaches you nothing, can you go to college and you
become a teacher and you go to the college of
education or no classes to teach you how to teachers
reach black children? Know the information with love black children
tip to know they need to become a teacher in later.
First of all, you don't know anything that we're talking about. Secondly,
even if you did, you could get yourself into trouble

(02:24:59):
even teaching it because of the stop work factor also
exists in the state of Florida. So I think two
O three is is a very important piece of legislation
that's building fact in exist from the books in Florida. However,
what are they going to do to to do with
it until you can get people People don't have to

(02:25:20):
be conscious enough to know how to deal with the
stop vote and the sort of child of th in
Florida because of the dants, then the legislature of Florida
and the fact that people don't even have the information
easier if you can't disappear today. So that's the problem.

Speaker 15 (02:25:38):
We have there just.

Speaker 8 (02:25:42):
Is that.

Speaker 14 (02:25:44):
You realize it because you want to. But the people
don't really have the information, and then they're not willing
to do whether, say, get that information and figure how
to deal with the legislation that's set there. I'm not
sure how we're going to use it.

Speaker 8 (02:26:00):
All right, hold up the right there, doc. Twenty three
minutes away from the top there. Family got a step
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You want to speak to our guest. He's an educator
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Next fourteen fifty wol Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 8 (02:27:10):
On Grand Rising. Family, Thanks for rolling with us on
this Monday morning, starting your week with us. Eighteen minutes
away from the top of the are our guests who
started to Chemist Shockley. Doctor Shogey is a Pan African
educators also movie makers. Well done a few documentaries. We're
going to talk to you about one before he leaves.
This is one about the cultural war focused on black youth.
In the moment, we'll check it with you. Alta who

(02:27:31):
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Just reach out to us at eight hundred and four
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we're going to speak with clinical psychologist doctor Jeromi Fox.
You know him from his best selling workbook I Think
It's a White you Oppressed in League with the oppressor
or shame based Alliance or also mentioned the Quans of Credit.
Doctor Milana Krenger will be here. Also, the President General
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(02:27:54):
Broody will join us. And tomorrow morning at six doctor
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(02:28:14):
speak to doctor Shokis, you're on nine four Grand Rising.
Sister ORLANDA. You're with doctor Sharckley.

Speaker 18 (02:28:20):
Brandon rising, doctor Sharckley, and thank you Carling Nelson for
the opportunity to speak. I am now in my sixties.
But when doctor Sharckley spoke about the difference of the
curriculum in different areas, when I was growing up in
Southeast DC, it was called the Chocolate City. But I
was also going to a Maryland school before then. I

(02:28:43):
wouldn't have never learned the national anthem, the black One,
lift every voice and things had I not went to
the DC school. So it makes a difference. Even with
looking in the book and seeing all these people in
the markets and I'm like trying to find my family
with a magnifying glass, and I'm like, well, y'all out there.

(02:29:03):
So I'm out there and I've chucked you. I've taken
my kids out. So what I have noticed about some
of the school system is the teachers don't get the
support they need from the administrators because of the behavior
issues that they deal with on comple of time to
educate our children. And that's kind of like the comment

(02:29:24):
I wanted to make.

Speaker 8 (02:29:28):
I shocked that I appreciate it.

Speaker 14 (02:29:29):
Yeah, I appreciate that comment. I also seen many instances
of teachers not bringing the support that they need from administration.
There are a lot of things that are on administrators heads,
but one of the problems that we actually had in
the relationship to administration and they who go into schools

(02:29:53):
are the rays that administrators are actually trained.

Speaker 8 (02:29:58):
I was in a.

Speaker 14 (02:30:01):
I was working at an HBCU watching administrative be trained
in a specific environment that I was able to view
some years ago, and I remember them being told, but
what matters is in these scores that you're that these

(02:30:26):
these scores you get. What matters is your relationship.

Speaker 7 (02:30:30):
To the board.

Speaker 14 (02:30:32):
What that person was saying is that in order to
keep your job. We were actually training. This is a
training for superintendents, and I was saying that in order
to keep your job as a superintendent, what you really
need to be worried about is how does a board
see you. This person was sort of saying, this person
had been a superintendent for many years, and they were

(02:30:52):
all black person and they were sort of transmitting this
information that if you want to keep your job, you
need to worry about your relationship with the board. What
I took from that is we're here to keep our jomas.
We're here to make this money, which of course we

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all had to pay bills. But what I did not
hear in that session was we're here to serve our
children in our community. In that same session, I also
heard didn't tell principles superintendent hopeful superintendents all of them
are current principles, most of them. I also heard, you
need to make sure that your head looks a certain way.

(02:31:39):
And one of the students who that locks was pointed out,
and we start to that person, you're going to have
to cut that off your head. Another person was pointed
out in terms of what she was wearing, and you're
not going to get a job wearing that.

Speaker 17 (02:31:56):
It was I had sort of a.

Speaker 14 (02:31:58):
More cultural sort of attirement. So what I'm trying to
get across is that in the trip, in the training
that we're offering to tholks who are going into administration.

Speaker 10 (02:32:12):
Is not.

Speaker 14 (02:32:14):
Let's say, our community from bad schools and things, our
children from bad education. When administrators are often getting here,
how do you play the day? And I see, of course,
when you teach school administrators, which I've done for many years,
one of the things that they expect when they come

(02:32:35):
to your classroom is more of that, and you'll be
surprised at the degree to which they don't like it
when you try to teach their things that are going
to help them become community advocates. They don't want to
hear that. They want to hear how can I get

(02:32:57):
this job that they don't already have it, that they
do ad it, how can I keep it and be
promoted to a higher position. So when I'm hooking the
folks who have children in the system and people who
care about what's happening to children, what here is. No,
we're not going to be able to use the schools
to help us get thren. We're going to have to

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increase the number of rights or passage programs. We're going
to have to teach our children who they are in
terms of identity, helping them understand who they are in
terms of identity and a sense of cultural awareness. We're
going to have to make sure that we understand the

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difference between education and as Marmy may shoed, you would say, schooling,
the difference between education and schooling. We're going to have
to see the schools as a stipe for nation building.
But the schools themselves are not going to do it.
I think the black people in twenty years will be

(02:34:05):
ready for this. They will say we've had enough of
the schools being used just in the place for people
to have employment, as a place to play schools, and
I think that they'll start to demand these changes. I
just don't think that we're currently understanding that the reason
why we keep losing is because the generations are being

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prepared and under the system of white supremacy within the schools,
regenerating this entire act that continuesly going on. And we
only have a very few number of schools like Nation
House at Washington, d C. And other schools with jewishula,
where children are actually being taught how to think in

(02:34:49):
a way that's positive for the larger black community. So
I just think that at this point, I guess we're
just not ready to do that.

Speaker 8 (02:35:00):
Right and tear away from the topic, let me ask
this little doctor shacket, are you know where it has
the administration yet come down on schools, you know, like
they've done with the libraries. If they want to, you know,
I guess, root out anything that's quote unquote what they
term is woke. They want to turn about improper ideology,
that's what they said about the libraries. And if they

(02:35:20):
don't they don't acquiesce to what the administration is saying,
they're going to lose their federal funding. Do that has
flowed down into our school system they have the public
school system.

Speaker 14 (02:35:31):
You know, if that was happening, I'd being happy because
every meaning that we were actually doing something and finding
for something that they become event What they probably found
out is there's so many rope stuff happening in schools,
but the administration doesn't have to do anything. They're literally
woke stuff happening in schools. There's no issue there. It's

(02:35:55):
almost the same as the administration coming with draft administration
coming out of good school race theory. There was no
critical race theory happening in schools. Critical race theory is
a very difficult theory to be across the people. How
can we understand that? So people are going to use
critical race theory in schools, but they made an issue
with it. Unfortunately, we don't need for Trump to come

(02:36:19):
in and say, hey, stop that the we'll provoke stop
in schools. It's just not happening.

Speaker 8 (02:36:27):
Well, I got to ask you this then, So who
needs to know this? Information more our children about our
history or the other folks who think that we have
we're just useless eaters. We have now accomplished anything since
we've been on the planet. We're just taking a space
and breathing rare earth. Who needs to know more about
you know? And we accomplish a lot of stuff, a

(02:36:48):
lot of great things. They don't even know that it
was a black man or a black woman invented some
of these things that we could go do it days
of talking about what these are the ones we know,
not the ones that were stolen. Who needs to know
this information more? Though?

Speaker 14 (02:37:03):
Well, I mean I would argue that we need to
know the information more. I think that in many cases.
In some cases, let me try to use an example,
a couple of I don't know, maybe a couple of
weeks ago, three weeks ago, I was going into a
school in Virginia, Northern Virginia, not too far from DC,

(02:37:26):
where the principal that we were talking for a while
was the blackmail principle, and he wanted me to work
with the DEI. They have a DBI person at that school,
and that person is responsible for putting up together at
the cultural programs, making sure the school is meeting the

(02:37:47):
school district's recommendations or requirements, policies related to diversity, equity
and inclusion, kinds of things like that come in and
won worked with that person and helped them grow up
and you know, make it, make it better. Well, was

(02:38:09):
it interesting when I finally met the DEI person it
was a white woman who had absid that this never
had no intention of changing any of the things that
the principal says he wants change. Now, this is the
principle in the school that's mostly a The school is

(02:38:29):
mostly white students, but it's a lot of diversity from
around the country, US, around the world, et cetera in
the school as well, but it's still majority white. And
I guess the principle doesn't know that. The issue that
the placement of that principle is that he's in a

(02:38:51):
situation where the people, the people working the school, mostly
white bad kind of have him there. Symbolically, he's not
really he really doesn't have the power that the principal
needs to have in the school, but asking needs to

(02:39:14):
come in and do stuff because he can't do it
or really doesn't want to work, whatever the issue is
with him. But this woman knows that she's placed in
a community of people who are not going to have
a bunch of black stuff being taught in the school,
even though they do have black students who are oppressed

(02:39:36):
in that environment. So it's an interesting thing. I think
that that she comes off to him like she's open
to change, but she's actually not. She's actually in the way,
not going to change. Wants to maintain the dynamic that's

(02:39:58):
in the school and is an enormous gap in achievement
between white students and black students. Just like a lot
of people are place as what I was talking about earlier,
strategic placements within school systems and within buildings to make
sure that only certain kinds of things can happen there.

(02:40:22):
I mean, it's just it's like we're talking about do
they need to know the white folks need to know
the stuff? Really white people, they're fully against any motion
that we're going to have certain kinds of things happening
around here. So when you think that what they need

(02:40:45):
is education, they are practicing an act of war against
the black children, consciously and against the black community consciously.
Information isn't an issue for them. The issue for them
is maintaining the status quo. That's what they want to do.
So we kind of think, well they maybe they listen form.

(02:41:09):
So that's why I say that we need the information
and then we need to be taught how to I
guess behave in a more black nationalist way where we
would know what to do with that information so that
we can get wins. The white community at large in
education wants to maintain the status quo. They're very serious

(02:41:33):
about it. They're very strategic about placing people into positions
to make sure that the status quo is maintained. So
that's part of the war why I named the film
cultural Gore. We will focus on black youth looking at
the ways that the system of white supremacy is using,

(02:41:55):
even in this instance, placement of people one of certain
black people put them in place to make sure that
we can't quito. So were I could start thinking of it,
I think more of that part. What do we want
to be on our side of doctor Rowson's chessboard? What's
going to happen on the back side of the chessboard

(02:42:17):
so that we don't continue to lose?

Speaker 8 (02:42:21):
Gotcha? Three minutes away from the top of our family,
we got to take short breaks of our stations can
identify themselves down and let me come back. I want
to talk about the film, but also how much power
do we have as parents or grandparents or just as
an adults because I keep hearing from our teachers that
many of us don't show up to Parent Teachers Association,
meaning is that a major issue? Can you address that

(02:42:43):
when we get that family? You want to get in
on this discussion with our guess, doctor Keemmick Shockley's.

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right now, I guess it's educator and African educator, doctor

(02:44:44):
Kemmick Shockley, And before he left for the break, and
my question to him was about the embolvement of parents
when it comes to our children's education. Dr Shark, keep
hearing from our teachers. We don't show up from parents
teachers and meetings. Is this an issue or is this
true or it's just an aberration.

Speaker 14 (02:45:03):
It's definitely true that there are very few parents that
tend to show up for a parent teachers constant. But
at the same time, a lot of black parents are interested,
especially for black boys, in getting mentors, people who can
help their kids. But a lot of times the parents

(02:45:25):
are working, a lot of times your parents are tired,
and a lot of times your parents don't feel as
those school environments are very welcoming to them. So that
is an issue. I will say yes to that one,
all right.

Speaker 8 (02:45:37):
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight semi
six hilarities Joiners, he's online one. He's calling for Washington
d C. He's got a question for me. Trand Rising,
you're on with doctor Shockley.

Speaker 15 (02:45:49):
Grand Rising. There's a sense and if education. It's a
saying that says, if education is the key, why they
make it so expensive for we? I would like to
know at what age is it not required? Because we
know the government won't let school children pray, But at

(02:46:11):
what age does it's not required to say our pledge
of legions to the flag in school because once you
give you a legiance, it is over. You're under their control.
So that's my question about allegiance.

Speaker 8 (02:46:32):
Well, thanks, Larry, I mean, I guess.

Speaker 14 (02:46:37):
The answered the legs. You can say that at any age,
and note that it is not required that students say
the pleasure of allegiance in schools is not required a
teacher say it either.

Speaker 8 (02:46:49):
All right, I gotta ask you this question before we
talk about the documentary. Is there a shortage of male
black teachers in our school system or is it just
a public school system?

Speaker 14 (02:47:00):
Is definitely you said as in what school system? As George,
just the public school system.

Speaker 8 (02:47:05):
It's a public school system or in private schools. Oh, okay,
male teachers.

Speaker 14 (02:47:11):
Yes, there is a shortage of black male teachers. But
I've always said that the teacher shortage, there's a black
teacher shortage as well, And I've always I've always thought
that there's really what the shortage is is conscious, culturally
conscious black teachers, not just black teachers, because a black

(02:47:35):
teacher who is not culturally conscious can sometimes just as
much damage as a white teacher who's not conscious about
what black children need. So I think what we really
want for our teachers just for them to be conscious
and for them to know what exactly are the things
that we want to sort of make sure black children

(02:47:57):
are prepared for. And when we had the Black Power
Conference recently that was out of gone, I was going
to go in person, but I wasn't able to travel
there this year, I presented to them a number of
different things that I think we need to make sure

(02:48:20):
Black children are taught. And if you are a conscious
Black teacher, you should be able to teach our children
these things. One, how to be a black person, a
fully black person in a Eurocentric society, because I think
what happens is that there's more successful Black students who

(02:48:42):
may do well in school, oftentimes they can't figure out
how can I be a black person and still be
successful in this eurocentric school? So then they start doing
things that sometimes called the black children to call them
oreo in other names. Now, what doesn't happen as much

(02:49:04):
as people would like to believe it does, but it
can be an issue. We don't know how how can
I be successful and black? Because there's so many examples
of being successful in black but how many of them
are culturally conscious. We need to teach our children how
to deal with the boring and irrelevant education system.

Speaker 7 (02:49:23):
How do you deal with that?

Speaker 14 (02:49:26):
So we have to prepare them that are that will
require much more serious minded approaches because the school rewards
compliance more than more than critical or even collective thinking.
A black person can only really be thinking critically if
you're thinking in a Black centered, in an African centered way.

(02:49:47):
So we have to stop thinking of the system as
just a place to get credentials. But we want our
young people to have liberation knowledge. That's a thing that
black teachers need to teach, and that all teachers need
to teach Black children. Somebody has to teach our children.
An issue that a lot of black youth have is

(02:50:09):
listening to black people talk about the problems in the
system of white supremacy, but the people who are often
familiar to them are white people. So white teachers, white people,
and white systems off and friendly to black children when
they're not doing other kinds of things to them, and
sometimes within schools, the black staff are much more guarded.

(02:50:32):
So you have white people being friendly to the kids,
you have black people being guarded with the kids, and
that confuses black people. They can't figure out while you're
talking about these these white people when many of them
are nice to them. So we have to help white
young people understand the difference between white supremacy and the

(02:50:55):
system of white supremacy and looking at individual white people
in relationship to how they might behave towards you. So
they have to know that who they are culturally. They
have to understand something about the obsession that this system
has with black people, because I think it's confusing for
black adults ees. So to understand what is the obsession

(02:51:18):
that the system of white supremacy has a black people,
and then how do we deal with that? While we
always the center of attention in the system of white supremacy.
We need to pick up my mum behind me and
teach our children how to understand uruguru. These are things

(02:51:39):
that black youth need to understand the spirit of your group,
the spirit of the incomplete being, and the things that
that incomplete being does to create confusion for the black community,
which sometimes it looks like we're doing it to ourselves,
but there is actually a system at play that they
need to understand. Recognizing rubue can help prevent internalization of

(02:52:04):
your rubue ways of being. And then the idea that well,
is it all white people that are causing this problems?
That again, teaching our children about the system of white
supremacy and how that interplaces with white people to all
a lot of students who might be gay to be
more culturally conscious in their thinking, but their hands are not.

(02:52:28):
So we have many black youth who are not able
to move forward in their consciousness by their own family
and their non black peers and get drawn into things
because there's no one to help them learn how to
think in a forward way for the black community. So
literation consciousness is not inherent. We're going to have to

(02:52:48):
teach black children how to think in a culturally conscious,
literated mindset way. These are things that we need to do.
We need mentors and elders to replace some of those models.
And then I a little bit of listening about maybe
ten other things that I think black need to come
from the Black community and black teachers, not just black teachers,

(02:53:09):
but culturally conscious black teachers.

Speaker 8 (02:53:13):
You know, having said that a ten after the top
of our family with doctor Chemick, Shockey educated doctor ed
Nichols psychology. So black children learn differently from white children.
You know, White folks are upset with that concept. They says, oh,
we all got the same red blood, we all got
everything is the same with us physically. But he's but

(02:53:33):
doctor Nichols challenges us. I'm not quite sure if which
one's autratory being hearing, and which one's more visual. But
he says there's a difference, uh between learning which was
more impactful on students black and white. Sus. Have you
found this to be true?

Speaker 14 (02:53:50):
Yeah, I'm actually familiar with doctor Nichol's philosophical aspects of
cultural difference that he talks about. I think it's true.
When I'm well, what he's basically saying is that in
terms of values and ways of sort of knowing things
that Europeans have a certain way of doing that. For example,

(02:54:11):
the European sees an object as being the most important
thing to acquire. The African person sees the relationship with
other members of the group as being the most important
thing to acquire. And then he goes on and has
ones for Asians and other groups, etc. Now, I think that,

(02:54:31):
for example, the way that people of African descent know things,
he says, is to do symbolic imagery and different things
of that nature. The way that Europeans know things is
through counting and measure. Now, when I think about my
experience at different universities, so I've taught of HBCUs and

(02:54:53):
did I see black people? Was my experience that Black
people were sort of a more spiritually and symbolic imagery
and nic Yes, I've also taught it to P Wis
white schools. Was it about counting and measure?

Speaker 15 (02:55:12):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:55:13):
Do I see this difference coming out in Black communities
and in my experience with white communities, yes. So I
think the work where my concern comes in is the degree,
the degree to which when losing our connectedness, connectedness with
our own selves, are we going to remain who we are.

(02:55:38):
And this is why I think we have to have
an alarm sounding about what's happening with Black children in schools,
because eventually if we're if we're not careful and don't
really focus on the need for cultural consciousness, we will
no longer be symbolic imagery and disting. We will no

(02:55:58):
longer be member to member are.

Speaker 1 (02:56:01):
We will be.

Speaker 14 (02:56:02):
Focused on the acquisition of the object as well. We
will become linear as sequential, which I can see happening
if we're not careful about who are about how our
children are being educated, so we'll be looking at complete
strangers in our young people. They'll lose their sort of
what Nicholas calls a black focus on critical path analysis,

(02:56:26):
the idea that the way we do things, in the
way that we do things methodologically is not through align
but it can be a circle, et cetera. This is
the reason why we can't just let generations of black
people continue to be to go through schooling without the
cultural consciousness and then expect people to get well, it's

(02:56:46):
okay because when you get older you can learn all
that stuff. Well, I think that we're we're not doing
ourselves any favors. We're looking at it like that. So
I do think that I do know doctor nicolebas I've
been a hosted for and I was in music.

Speaker 10 (02:57:01):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (02:57:02):
I went to music one time and doctor Nichols came
to watch me do a musical for woman. So I
have familiar with both doctor niggles Anders' work. I think
the genius I think it was to be better aware
of the work that he has the uh Critical Aspects
of culturer.

Speaker 8 (02:57:20):
O Shay fourteen. After that top there, Miss Richardson is
checking in on Ryon wat Brand Rise and Miss Richardson,
you're on with doctor Sharkley.

Speaker 9 (02:57:29):
Yes, then Rise and Carl me doctor Starkley, Doctor Sharkley,
could you because we're having some devastating period in this
time where blacks are out in the streets. And Carl
said it earlier that black men has got to do
better and he can't be any writers because what's going

(02:57:50):
on in the streets on a daily basis are black
cussing at each other in these major areas of Washington,
like Georgia Avenue, even into Silver Spring. You see them
fighting women the other night too, women were fighting each
other black women, And I just don't understand, do we

(02:58:10):
see this as being entertainment for the for the Anglo
Saxon Because at slavery, that's what we're set up to do,
is to perform for the masters. They the masters had
them for to perform, and it got into their blood
to do just that, to just stay there.

Speaker 19 (02:58:27):
So what is this thing with black people where they
have to be in an entertainment mode to look like
they're appeasing to these white folks out here and on
a daily basis, and white don't even pay them no mine,
They look at them and crown. White people don't want
to be bothered with black people. If you you know,
Nearly Fuller said, all you have to do is look

(02:58:50):
Nearly the great Late Nearly Fuller said it.

Speaker 14 (02:58:53):
He was so right.

Speaker 19 (02:58:55):
We're not conscious, doctor Sharpley, what we're doing. We're performing
for masters way.

Speaker 8 (02:59:01):
And I used to call it many. We'll come up
on a break. Can you put in a question for
him so he can respond.

Speaker 19 (02:59:07):
Yes, okay, yes, sir, Yes, because doctor, doctor, because you
tell me what can be done with the hood. Because
people in the hood seem to think.

Speaker 14 (02:59:18):
To be this way.

Speaker 8 (02:59:19):
It is black culture.

Speaker 19 (02:59:20):
Albert A. Doctor al Sharpton with him, it's not Black
culture for black people to be negative and to be
responding that way, not showing any amount of education. And
I'm not saying that's all black people call. I'm just
saying the ones I thought with Ju sees on a
daily basis, they gilded.

Speaker 14 (02:59:40):
No education.

Speaker 19 (02:59:42):
Of thank you.

Speaker 14 (02:59:51):
Okay, Yeah, I think that my cousins within his book
Breaking the Change of Psychological Slavery about the different spots
that are left the sense talks about how the right
man takes demand spot, and then one of the spots
that's left is born, and of course he goes on

(03:00:13):
for a while and then talks about the cloud. So
one of the spots that's left for us when we're
not aware is the clown that we can become. That
we're allowed to sort of become clown within within our neighborhood,
within our sphears, because that's a spot that it's okay

(03:00:35):
to be in. I also think that we have a
lot of when it comes to the situation opportunity when
you're not controlling the.

Speaker 15 (03:00:47):
Community.

Speaker 14 (03:00:49):
Black men are supposed to be in position of leadership
in the community. But when we're not in the leadership
spot that you're supposed to be in. That's going to
create problems within your community, because well, what spire you
in the spot that you're actually we're actually in as
black men and as black people is a subservient role,

(03:01:12):
subservient spot within a society. We don't control our own
destiny within our community. We can if we do certain things,
but currently we're not bully in control of what's happening
within our own community. We have some control that really
someone else controls the image. So if.

Speaker 8 (03:01:32):
The doc and we got to take the break. When
we come back, and if you finish your thought, also
talk about it bonics. We use it bonics in school.
I also want to talk about the cultural war focus
on black heths. Family YouTube beginning on this conversation with
doctor Kennick Shockley's an educator. Reach out to us at
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Speaker 1 (03:01:53):
Next fourteen fifty wol Now back to the Karl Nelson Show.

Speaker 8 (03:03:00):
And Grant Rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us,
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Currently speaking with doctor Chemis Shaky. He's a Prian African educator,
Doctor Shaki, As you finish your thought, then we want
to talk about your documentary, but also ebonics should ebonics,

(03:03:20):
You know, there's a big debate a few years back
about whether ebonics should be taught in schools and ebonics
should be treated as a foreign language. So I'll let
you discuss that when after you finish updating us on
the information you're going to share with us.

Speaker 14 (03:03:34):
Before we left for the break, well, basically, I was
just talking about the fact that black people do not
control their image of black people. So I think that
you know, I remember some years ago Bill Consty was
talking about buying NBC, and one of the reasons we
wanted to do that was so that we're gonna have

(03:03:55):
more control over how we're depicted and meet. And when
you think about the image control, that's power to have
the ability to decide who decides how black people, how
black people look in front of the world. That's not
something that black people decide on. So it really is

(03:04:18):
about having the soueign ability to decide whether or not
you know, we're going to be depicted in certain ways,
and whoever controls those images, they control how black people
are interpreted and they're presented strategically. So we have to
understand that all of these things cause us to behave

(03:04:41):
in ways because we're looking at examples of things and
then oftentimes imitating the example, but we don't have the
power to decide how we're actually portrayed. That as well
as just being the most oppressed group within the society,
so that frustration it creates in us. Sometimes we don't

(03:05:03):
have the ability to take it out of the people
who are doing it to us, so we do it
to each other.

Speaker 8 (03:05:09):
Yeah, ebonics, doctor Shakle, your thoughts on ibonics. You know,
we're back in three years back there's a big discussion
whether they should be taught in school, whether we should
embrace it or we should, you know, teach us children
to speak standard English because ebonics is not the communications
language is in business and in schools, in higher education.
I want to get your thoughts on that before we
talk about your documentary.

Speaker 14 (03:05:32):
Sure, you know, I think when it comes to that,
something that I noticed and starting in around two thousand
and three, I was a professor of a PWI and
plan to being a professor of this PWI. I always

(03:05:53):
start that black people, I guess speak AAVD or ebonics,
and that white people speak I guess more Standard English.
But what I found when I started reading white people's
papers and listening to them talk more is that they

(03:06:13):
don't use standard English either. And I was more informed
on the usage of standard English than they were. I so,
in other words, and I really don't think anybody actually
uses truly standard English. And when I when when you

(03:06:34):
study how to use English and what proper English would
really look like, nobody's doing that. For some reason, it's
pointed out that black people don't speak standard English. But
it took me two years to get my white students
to learn how to write standard English and to get

(03:06:56):
better grades on their papers. And the saying it is
true in my work at the University of Houston working
with white students. It takes a lot. Black students have
us have us a certain way of speaking that I
guess is for some people call it ebonys, And you know,

(03:07:17):
some linguists have documented that structure for that for decades.
It is consistent grammar to anybody. It's got the tense
markers in terms of past the present, since it's got
sort of a semantic precision to the bondy the people
Black people use certain words to you to say something

(03:07:39):
like everybody wants to be IS, but nobody wants to
be You know that you know exactly what that means
if you're you know, in a black community. It's language
that black people use.

Speaker 10 (03:07:53):
Is.

Speaker 14 (03:07:55):
It's actually brilliant and there's nothing along with it. Of course,
the way that other groups speak, including like people, it
is seen as being more standard, when what it is
is just more of them. They are not speaking and
they are not writing Standard English. That is something that

(03:08:18):
I noticed when I first became a professor. So if
I really turned my ear, because my job is to
help you to move towards Standard English for lots of
reasons and purely writing dissertations and master SPEAKSS, I just
noticed that no one's doing it, but people are pointing

(03:08:38):
out that we do it. So I also think about
it to the way that black people used to survive
because because we need each rade, so we had to
have language that made since for us we couldn't just
fully use the English language. We had to create things
that we're going to help us to survive and get
off the trantation. We have to do the same thing
now when they make black children feel like they have

(03:09:03):
to abandon the language that's used in their homes, I
think what that does is it begins to disrupt connection
to the idea of their identity that we want them
to have and mess with your confidence in your Maybe
what I might talk conceptual develops because if you can't
get your word, can't stay the word and speak it

(03:09:26):
the way your grandmother does because you're afraid that someone's
going to think you don't know how to think because
of your away of speaking, that's going to mess up
your cognitive dedlment. So it's not just emotion. I think
that it's in fact neological, and I think it's educational.
That then comes to code switching, where I think that

(03:09:47):
that should be seen as a skill, the ability to
communicate with the larger society and use White English, not standards,
because what people are replacing, right, they're not wanting to
say white English because white people don't speak standard English.
They want to say that, they say, we call it standards. No,

(03:10:11):
the standard ELI isn't hardly used by anybody, So I
think we have to be very careful about.

Speaker 8 (03:10:20):
It.

Speaker 14 (03:10:21):
Really have something that produces culture that their institutions can't
even catch up. But what happens is these institutions begin
to use black people's English way of speaking and black
people's ways of creating things, and then they put them
into their advertisements so that they can sell products. So

(03:10:41):
this is the people who are creating all this creativity
with their language that's called ebonics, are helping are happenings
institutions sell these products. So there's a level of genius
there that oftentimes not being acknowledge.

Speaker 8 (03:11:01):
But what is this I was trying to think.

Speaker 14 (03:11:03):
Of the one of the McDonald's has.

Speaker 15 (03:11:04):
It's a.

Speaker 14 (03:11:07):
It's in my mind that they use the ebonic thing
that black people use in that whole foods use it
to using the two. There's any institutions now for some reason,
I can't think of an example that I know. I'm
not seeing these commercials where they're using ebonics to sell products.
And even now if you watch movies, people are using

(03:11:31):
black people's ways of speaking, being living, learning to do
up every thing and making millions of billions of dollars
offer and then coming to us and saying you need
to learn to speak standard English, a thing that they
don't even do. They don't know the rules of English

(03:11:54):
enough to speak Standard English. People just assume that the
way they say it is the current right, but they're
not speaking Standard English. And then, as anyone else.

Speaker 8 (03:12:05):
Got you twenty nine away from the top, I got
a tweet question comment for you, uh doctor shahe Twitter
says they wanted to teach evonics schools another way of
holding black folks back, because when they get in the world,
the real world, where everybody speaks the King's English, nobody
would understand what the hell they say your taught?

Speaker 14 (03:12:27):
Your phone went out on You're little Could you stay
that again?

Speaker 8 (03:12:30):
Peaks Yeah. The weird says they wanted to teach evonics
in school as another way of holding black folks back,
because when they get in the world where everybody speaks
the King's English, nobody would understand what the hell they're saying.

Speaker 14 (03:12:45):
Nobody speaking the King's English.

Speaker 8 (03:12:48):
What people are doing.

Speaker 14 (03:12:49):
Once again, and they think that the way the white
people speak is the King's English. Nobody speaks that way.
They're just taking the way that black people speak and
saying that it's less bad the same way they do
with everything black. The way you dress is less bad,
but everybody's copying black people's dress. The way you think

(03:13:09):
is less band, but everybody's copying the way that black
people think. In terms of like some of these cultural expressions,
like in hip hop, you go around the world, people
are following everything that black people do. So I don't
know if it's necessarily going to hold you back. If
we understood the power that's within the things that we create,

(03:13:31):
and I think we, you know, would I think we
would be more informed. So whoever controls the language controls
who gets heard, you know, hiring schools, you know, within schools.

Speaker 8 (03:13:45):
The media.

Speaker 14 (03:13:47):
What people are really rewarding is proximity to white linguistic nose.
It's however close you can get to the white linguistic nord,
the better if you're supposed to be, not how close
you get to the King English, not that the white
linguistic knows. So this filters out black voices, even when

(03:14:07):
the ideas that the black person is saying are stout.
If the person is saying something, and then we have
black people who were trained like some of the people
I was in my PhD program with at the University
of Maryland. When they hear a black person start to
speak and it has ebonics within it, the black vernacular

(03:14:29):
and tongues within it, you automatically stopolistic. You think the
person doesn't know what they're talking about, because it's the
way they say things. This is your own ignorance. So
it's what I might call linguistic discrimination, and it's a
it's a it's sort of a way of excluding people.

(03:14:50):
So I think we have to stop thinking of ebonics
as being assimilation and think of it it was sort
of bilingualism, because more so us have to be able
to speak the way that black people speak. How do
you want whatever you want to call it, whether there
are many black people speak that you need bonyx or whatever.
And we have to be able to speak the way

(03:15:13):
that white people speak when we go for a job interview,
for example. You just have to stop calling it standard
English or the King's English, and if they're call it
white vernacular. The way that white people say things, the
way that they've organized their thinking and the patterns of
the way they rationalize things, is just something that that

(03:15:35):
is the way they do things. So teaching student of
English without honoring your biotics as pedagogical negligence is what
I would say.

Speaker 8 (03:15:43):
Got you twenty six away from the top of let's
talk about cultural war focus on black youth. What made
you do with this documentary?

Speaker 14 (03:15:53):
That documentary really came as a as a result of
working as a K through twelve school teacher, working as
a college professor, working as a person doing a lot
of professional development for teachers, doing consulting, traveling around the
world and looking at things that I was seeing, and

(03:16:16):
then seeing how black youths are targeted for every in
almost every way. And one of the things that kind
of really, you know, the spark of inspiration for me
was seeing how that I don't think that the black

(03:16:41):
community is as servant and about protecting black youth as
we should be, was we have we have some very
strong concerns coming from the white community about making sure
they're white children are always going to be ahead of

(03:17:04):
black children. It's a very strong sense of that.

Speaker 2 (03:17:10):
Now.

Speaker 14 (03:17:10):
Doctor Rosinal always just talk about the concerns that white
people have about genetic aniledge, and that the reason for
the system of white supremacy is genetic annihilation. And so
you see white supremacy in these nine areas of people activity. Well,

(03:17:31):
if you pay attention within schools as to what is
happening there, the same thing that's happening you have white
people concerned about the possibility that black children actually had
the creative and intellectual ability to be at the top

(03:17:51):
of all things in education. That was proven in Hotel
Academy and Santa Tono, Texas at one time when it
used to exist, and also at at a Chick elementary
school in Kansas City, Missouri, and the performance of black

(03:18:12):
children were then AFL consentered schools in Chicago at one
time it's called Betty Shavals. Now I think we used
to care the name of the books called Betty Shavons
or there's two institutions there with forst in my mind.
And then also Unlock this client school in Chicago, a
freedom home where you're able to see black children performing

(03:18:35):
extraordinary well and in the case of a couple of
those institutions, black children outperforming everybody in the state on
standard general centric standardized tests as well. So I think
that what is what we really have happening in education?

(03:18:55):
And some of those places I just named are in
the film that I created, but what we have I'm
a happening in education is largely groups of white people.
In many ways, white women on the forefront of authors.

Speaker 8 (03:19:11):
Hold I thought right there is we need too many
streat from the top. There we'll take our last break.
I want to hear more about cultural war, focus on
black youth, how you put it together some of the
people are in it as well, and how we can
review it, especially something that we can watch over the holidays. Family,
you two can get in on this discussion that doctor
Kemmick Shockley's an educator pan Afghanist educator. Reach out to us.
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(03:19:33):
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(03:21:16):
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Also on the DMV the Washington DC metro Ere fourteen
fifteen w L not to shock the I wanted you
finish your thoughts and tell us about this cultural war
focus on black youth. How we can see this.

Speaker 10 (03:21:33):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (03:21:33):
Indeed, so what I was saying is that I was
kind of talking about the reasons that I created with Bill,
and I was just wrapping up the sentence of saying
that one of the reasons is that I was saying
the games that are being played and how we're kind
of being played in education.

Speaker 7 (03:21:52):
This boring.

Speaker 14 (03:21:55):
It starts off by really introducing some of the problems
that that folks are having uh in education with black
children I having. I have some folks in the film
like Corbor hierographical getting who is in the first episode
talking about UH would needs us to be able to
think outside the box in order to sell some of
these problems. I also show some of the things that

(03:22:17):
are actually happening to black people of the schools from
the bodings for this happening to our young people in schools.
In the second episode, I talked to teachers themselves and
I give them a test to really kind of see
where they're at in their nowedge of Black history. Most
of the teachers failed their tests, and I kind of

(03:22:39):
talked to them about why we also have had to
be broader. In that episode, who uh works as as
sort of like working with his grandkids. In the episode
reading to a couple of folks who acclaimed his grandkids,
I should say, and we learn about African history to
me uh about a daughter reading and talking.

Speaker 15 (03:23:03):
To his grandkids.

Speaker 14 (03:23:04):
And in the episode in the third episode, we have
a group of experts in education helping the MODI Linda Tilman,
who have I'm trying to think there's so many folks
in there that are no GLORYA Latsi Billings who many

(03:23:25):
people in education over shares. These experts appear. We also
talk to kids. We have some black children and brothers
in the film who are talking about their experience. We
are families, so we actually sit down with some family
in the fourth episode and ask them what is their

(03:23:46):
experience with schooling and what have voked for them. Then
we have some schools that have had success in the
film as well.

Speaker 15 (03:23:55):
So we have.

Speaker 14 (03:23:57):
Folks from Atlanta talking about schools in Atlanta that ever worked.
There are folks from Washington.

Speaker 15 (03:24:03):
D C.

Speaker 14 (03:24:04):
School mediates from these places. Hockey Mount of Beauty is
in the film. His wife, Soficia a mount of Beauty
also appeared appear in the film. We have so many
folks while we knew Deluji is in the film talking
about his school.

Speaker 1 (03:24:24):
So a lot of that.

Speaker 8 (03:24:26):
I mean, let me ask you, help you and ask you.
This is doctor Juwanza conjufer In there.

Speaker 14 (03:24:32):
Is in the film.

Speaker 12 (03:24:33):
Yes he is.

Speaker 14 (03:24:34):
He is one of his last appearances. We went to
Phoenix to record him and he gave us some brilliance.
I guess got some clothing brillidens from doctor Jonsaquin du
He's in the film twice. Actually have so much to say,
so we're gonna talk about solutions, and so the film

(03:24:55):
has a heavy influence, a hevy discussion on what we
can do to start all these problems. And you can
watch the film on turb Television two b T for free.
You can also watch it on Amazon Prime. Is also
on Applitude Plus, and it's the African Diaspora Network, which

(03:25:17):
is in in Africa. There's something in the US called
that too, but there's it said, this is in Africa.
So there's several places. Actually those are the big places,
the biggest places where you can watch it. And I
think we'll come away with a lot of information and
knowledge about the problem and the solutions related to black education.

Speaker 8 (03:25:39):
Right, oh, let me ask this thirteen away from the topic,
doctor shot, this is the problems on the continent, education
problems on the constant, same as here.

Speaker 14 (03:25:50):
From what I am seeing in the continent, which is
somewhat limited, I would say that, yeah, there's there so
in some way if some of them are worse in
instance that on the continent, this we don't have as
much of a movement to get away from from rhogsa's limits.
But I hadn't get away from eurocentric anti black education.

(03:26:14):
In fact, some people are thinking that a feeling like
the word education actually means being informed by the sort
of colonizing mentality or worshiping things that white people have
put out there for us to think of as being

(03:26:35):
true knowledge. I saw that I didn't see a lot
of anything else when I went to see schools in
Nigeria and God. But I'm hoping that some of that
is changing and trying to be a part of some
of that change. But so, yeah, I think that the

(03:26:56):
continent is probably where black people are, not the world.
But I would say, yeah, the kindent of Africa is
definitely struggling with sort of a colonial education.

Speaker 8 (03:27:10):
Yeah, because you know, on the surface, you would think
that they would have it a lot easier because they
control the education here. We know who controls the education
and are thinking controls everything, which is a player, but
they control everything a top to bottom. You think it
would be easier. Are they still fighting with their colonial
masters though it was as far as education is concerned.

Speaker 14 (03:27:31):
Or definitely. I mean, I think there's all kinds of
designs everywhere that I have ever been on the continent,
which I've been there probably fifteen times. I would say
in every aspect of life. I as a person who's
a part of the conscious community of the United States.

(03:27:52):
When I go to Africa, the saying that I'm worried
about there were a lot of things. When I go there,
I don't worry. I try to get so on my
mind back, but when what I worry about is the
vestages of colonialism. And I think I might have mentioned
on here once that I spoke to a group of

(03:28:12):
people in their twenties. There were four males Africans who
were in their twenties, and I was I wanted to
just see how they respond to the idea of intelligence
and asking them, are you intelligent? They quickly said that
they were not, and they said that white people were intelligent,

(03:28:34):
and I was curious. You know why they thought that.
They said, they come here and they create job starts
and do a number of things that they are impressed
with and that they liked. So, you know, from that
to seeing pictures of the images of Jesus where when

(03:28:58):
I get in a taxicab and all the limits Jesus
that I see in the cab and along the way
of the white one that many years ago, these sort
of talked about, let's not have it. So you don't
see that as much here, but you see it a
lot there.

Speaker 10 (03:29:18):
Too.

Speaker 14 (03:29:18):
You know people, you know you don't you see people
dressed in ways that I think are coming from European
styles and fashions. So yeah, there's a lot of it
that goes on. They're alone other things that are happening
in terms of people's personal decisions for the relationships that

(03:29:38):
they want to begin, and there's reasons for that. But
I think that, yeah, colonialism and white supremacy are definitely
a big issue with the kind of means that I
used to think about things. I see it quite a
bit on the African continent, what I got to and outside.

Speaker 8 (03:30:00):
Of schools, Yeah, rying away from the top of the
out and some Africans when they come here teach us
to treat us with indifference. Is that a learned behavior?
Is that what they see on television is that what
somebody tells them about us, and we're wanting you know, oh,
they think they're better than us, but somehow they have
to come up with these conclusions with their reaction to us.

(03:30:22):
How do you see that?

Speaker 14 (03:30:26):
Well, you know, I've seen that for sure. I think
it's got to be something that is happening with people
indigal because if you really take a look at what
is happening, at what Black Americans are doing, it wouldn't
it wouldn't make sense to then say, well, I'm better

(03:30:49):
than you guys, because I mean, it just doesn't make
any sense because you see, Black Americans have done from
many things in accomplience so much if you would have
to just have to ignore that and then go into
your own sense of feeling like you about leading the standards, well,

(03:31:10):
whatever the language there is that would make you then
say I think I'm better than you because you actually
feel the opposite. But that's what you say.

Speaker 8 (03:31:21):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (03:31:21):
The other thing is that I remember having a conversation
again a Nigerian person who was waiting in the United
States when I one day answered in Houston, and he
was talking about the reason why some Nigerians feel that way,
And I said, can you imagine if I doctor kim

(03:31:41):
shock and went to Nigeria and then started comparing myself
to the average Nigeria I thought, and I said, well, hey,
do you guys have doctors? Look at me, I have
a doctorate. Then he is, and then I started bogging
about things about myself over and above the average Nigerian.
I said, in many ways, that's the silliments that you

(03:32:04):
think that that you know, people are things saying you've
come here with lots of privileges that really have come
from discovery of Black Americans, and now you want to
compare yourself to the average Black American as opposed to
comparing yourself to Black Americans. That might be as a
complicate you want. That's that way that is Luckily it's

(03:32:25):
not everybody, but it is another thing that I think
Black Americans are starting to notice it.

Speaker 8 (03:32:32):
Yeah, And and the sad part about it, they have
an if they come here and they have an interaction
with an African Americans, a negative reaction. You know, they
some of them will believe that's all, that's all we do.
If they see the ones see on the continent and
they hear about that, and they see it on TV,
they see it in in these videos, they think we're
all like that and vice versa. For us, we have

(03:32:55):
a negative reaction with with with an African continental Africans.
He represents the entire African diasporas of some of us,
So we can't how do we get away from that
kind of thinking got shot. That's what I mean.

Speaker 14 (03:33:10):
For sure, we're going to have to realize who the
culprit is in all this. And you know, we have
to understandation of white supremacy. I mean, we have Talctor
Willson to help us with all of this. So what
we what we have to understand is that if the
FBI has said that there would be the greatest sense

(03:33:31):
threat to national security in the United States would be
if Africans and African Americans for ever to come together.
So there then is enormous effort to make sure that
that never happens. And I'm sure that the FBI is
still involved in trying to make sure that doesn't happen,

(03:33:52):
you know. So we want to come to our stints
on it. Some of it, some of the things that
I've heard are absolutely just insane, and so I think
that's how we know they're involved. We have to listen
to our elders who have taught us how to think
outside of this foolishness and really get ourselves to a

(03:34:13):
better place of understanding that really it's all one group
of people. Now people don't want to buy into that
right now, and they're upset, and I know that that
upsettedness is there, but there's really one group of people
with different cultural things that are happening. There's different cultural stuff,
but really one group of people. So when we get

(03:34:37):
to that understanding, then I think we'll be able to
make some headway. So we can't go to we can't
look at one African and say what you're doing is
anti Black Americans, So all of you guys are that
way and the same is true. We can't look at
one Black American and saying, hey, you know this is

(03:34:58):
so what you see now? As uh, people sort of
kind of making it creating difference. They'll say, well, if
a person commit your crime, no it's not a black person,
that is a sledge like we have reasons and they're
starting to do that. I will will be interested in
seeing what the follow out from that will be. You know,

(03:35:20):
well that how how is that gonna work out? What
will happen as a result of some of the differences
and delineations that are being made?

Speaker 8 (03:35:30):
Yeah? Hold that so right, say we got to cut
it right there at dtr Shaka, But thank you for
sharing your thoughts with us this morning. How can folks
follow you? And again, how can they watch the documentary
and Cultural War focus on Black youth.

Speaker 14 (03:35:43):
Sure to to get in touch with me or follow
I'm a I'm on LinkedIn at doctor d R Kennet
k MT Shockley. You can also bemail me at k
Shockle not Shockley, K S h O C k l
E at yahoo dot com. And we can watch the
documentary on TV. It's called Cultural War Focused on Black Youth.

(03:36:09):
You can also watch it on Amazon Prime Video. And
I have a number of other documentaries that are on YouTube.
For example, one that you could watch what you might enjoy.
It's focused on the rooms in Columbia Doctormerica, the world's
first one rooms. It's called or Humanity Culture Colluded.

Speaker 8 (03:36:29):
And all right, thanks, doctor shock thank you for all
the information you shared with us this morning.

Speaker 14 (03:36:38):
My pleasure to have a great one.

Speaker 8 (03:36:40):
Hi's doctor Kemy Shackley. Family classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see tomorrow morning six o'clock right
here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in
the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL.

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