Dr. Maulana Karenga Reflects on the Watts Revolt and Federal Troop Deployment

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Interacting with the most submission the Carl Nelson Show, in fact, the.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Most Thank grund Rising family, and thanks for starting your

(00:34):
week with us again. Later, the visionary and creator of Kwanta,
doctor Milana Karenger, will reflect on the aftermath of the
Watch Revolt, which occurred sixty years ago. Last week, Doctor
Krengo will also analyze the Trump administration's controversial decision to
deploy federal troops on the streets of Washington, d C.
Before doctor Kurenga Black Matters, Black Lives Matter, DC, pardon me.

(00:56):
April Gordon will join us, and she explained how the
use of firops on our streets. It's a very very
serious issue. But to get us started, MoMA tell her
we can speak with brother Scare out in La, but
let's get Kevin opened the classroom doors for us again
this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin Grand.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, Monday Monday. Can't trust that day?
Monday Monday? Does it always have to be this way?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Lyrical this morning?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yes, yes, yes, you try to relate that one to
those who remember that song.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
But how are you feeling, mister Carl Nelson.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm still learning. Kevin yeah, I'm still learning, man.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
And you're teaching at the same time. You know, the
flip side of learning and teaching, and the more you teach,
the more you learn. So are you finding that you're
growing wiser with each day?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh? Yeah, yeah? And reflecting on what I didn't know
and what I know today and what to do tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
And tomorrow is learn? Is learning right?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Right? You've got to put in the practice what you've learned, exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's the biggest part about it is it's not well,
I know that already, it's how well do you know that?

Speaker 5 (02:08):
And then can you implement that?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's taking me this long to figure that one out, though, man,
I tell you, hey, but look, let's talk about the
trending topics today.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Did you know that the National Guard is planning to
start packing? I mean, you know they at first they
were contracted just come out and have a presence. But
according to NPR, the DC National Guard members patrolling Washington
as part of the Trump administration's plan to ramp up
policing may soon be carrying weapons, the spokesman said Sunday,

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and the Army has said last week that the Guard
members would not be carrying weapons and would not be
making arrest. But Sunday, Army Senior Master Sergeant Craig Clapper
told NPR in a statement that Guard members may be
armed consistent with their mis and training. What come on, man,

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you can't just get a taser or something, you know,
pepper spray keep with you. The uniform is disarming enough
as it is, and they always walk in groups, you know,
with that military precision.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
So that's enough I think to do.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, because I think it's it may be provocative. I
may be wrong, but I just think that they're trying
to go at some of our young people into doing
things they shouldn't do, even the very presence on the streets.
So again I appeal to our young people, not just
in d C. Where in Cincinnati where folks are still
upset about what happened in that fight. Uh, just just

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be careful in your response because they that's what they want.
They want you to go all out, and we gotta
be we gotta be smarter than that.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
But well, I think it may have a different effect.
As a matter of fact, if they're everywhere, you see
them everywhere, it becomes normal. And then with normalcy you
just ignore it almost you're like, Okay, there they are again.
So maybe that's why they're giving them guns so they'll
look more threatening, because right now they just look like

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tourists and camouflage outfits like walking trees.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I saw.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
We gotta be be careful about agent provocateurs. You know,
I won't to say the guy who threw the subway
one of them was the agent provocate tour because that
could have turned out nasty. They probably would have if
he was a different complexion. But you know, you got
to watch for stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, but the guy who grew threw the sandwiches and
he a part of Trump's administration or something like that.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
And why I said you gotta watch for agent provocate tours.
You won't know till the malee starts and it's all over.
Who how did start? He disappears he was a white
guy though he threw what I mentioned a subway sandwich.
You know, do you think a brother would have gotten
away with that or there'll be a beatdown and then
the result. That's what I'm telling us. One care brother

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would have gone to Ben's chili bowl and throw a
chili dog. Would he wasted chili?

Speaker 6 (05:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (05:09):
He wouldn't know when he wait, sandwich, maybe the rapper
maybe you know, but hey, look let's talk about the
real big elephant in the room man. After meeting with Putin,
Trump changes his position on the need for a ceasefire.
Is that taco or what? Yeah, that's taco. But you know,

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all this is just theatrics, Kevin. You know, we know
what he wants to support Putin. He's got to find
a way to do it delicately so the rest of
the world doesn't see what he's doing and selling out
the rest of the world. Ze Lenski, for his part,
made a good move because last time he was there
at the White House, he ready called. They ambushed him
and with vance and tried to and he wasn't aware
of what was going on. So this time he's got

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back up. He's bringing several leaders from from European leaders
to come to the meeting as well, because they're on
his side. So this is a crucial meeting. We'll see
what's Donald Trump is if it's Donald Trump is on
the right side or or we're on the cusp of
World War three, because obviously the European leaders are back
in Zelensky and not doesn't want to give up any
of his land, which he shouldn't. You know, why should

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he because because the European leaders are concerned if if
they gave up part of the Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Who's next Poland? And they also the requests that he
that Ukraine doesn't join NATO. He doesn't want them to
join NATO because if he joins NATO and then if
he's attacked, if Russia attacks him, then NATO is going
to respond. So and Trump is siding all the way
with Putin on all these issues. So we'll see what happens.
It's going to be a very interesting meeting.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Well. Putin and.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Trump claim that the ceasefire is no longer needed. They'd
rather go for a permanent peace agreement. Whereas Zelensky says,
our vision is ceasfire first and then everything else. And
he said, if we negotiate before the season fire, it
creates a big risk for Ukraine. If there's a ceasefire,

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it opens up space for diplomacy, for the diplomats.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
What are you to think about that?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's right because he doesn't trust Putin, That's why he
says that why go for the end, so and then
let's take it step by step because you go to
the Enzo, there's no coming back. So you know, he's saying,
let's take it step by step, and you know, let's see,
let's see if it sticks to his word because he
knows you can't trust putin. Everybody knows that, even Trump
knows that.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
You know.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
Wow, well let's keep our eyes open.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
That meeting starts today around ten or eleven here in
d C with the President and President Zelensky.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
There will never be peace until God is seen it
at the conference table.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
And look to me in all these songs.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Anyway, In celebrity news, Chris Brown surprises his fan and
gave her mother ten thousand dollars and a new car.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
See I like bright news like that.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I saw that story too. That was good.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, he was doing something he calls the Breezy Bowl.
And I'm beginning to really like Chris Brown man.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Look at that.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, you know what these anatinas, they they've figured a
way we can change people's lives. Even if you change
just one person's life. You know what I'm saying with
what he did there, he changed just one. You can't
change everybody's lives, especially if he's got millions and millions
of followers. But if I can just change one person's life,
you know they've done it. I've done some good. Yeah,
and I think that's how he summed it up.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
My living is not in vain if I can touch
one person. Hey, look, so we've got a skilled Mohammed
standing by. I appreciate you giving me minute, give me
this time on a Monday morning, the eighteenth of August,
and it seemed like a long.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Month or what.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
But yeah, it seems like you know the long heart summers,
the dog days or some of this is what it
is through this month. Yeah, in two weeks be over.
And we started, you know, Labor day, and then we
get to labor day, it's the fall, and then that
moves real quickly.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
And that moves quick. Great, next thing, you know, it'll
be in New Year's Eve. So let's say good money
to a ski Muhammad Soro.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Grand riising Oslama Lake. Uh yeah, yeah, y'all better. Hope
y'all got some military around there at that radio station
talking about Chris Brown giving somebody ten thousand dollars car. Yeah,
these young brothers was probably props start throwing rocks at
the radio station with all the women he don't filled
up in the last three years, and him and that

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other boy, these me and wives and cause of the divorces.
You know, kinds of stuff going over the computer. Is
good that they could do something good. You don't supposed
to be filling up on another man's wife. You know,
they pay ten thousand dollars to take a picture with him,
and you fill it up on.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
People wives and stuff like that. Hey, man, he's your
call for that.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, but it's dear. It all comes from maturity. You know,
you don't expect to be doing things when he's doing younger.
He's grown, he's matured. He's seeing life a little bit differently.
Just by the act of what he did, donating the
money in a car. You know, he could change somebody's
one person's life, and he did it. So I wouldn't
to hold back. He's you know, youthful indiscretions if you will.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Oh, these things that they're doing now, because you don't
know the new rappers and entertainers are doing now, the
males or taking pictures with young uh, with women and
wives and stuff, and you know, doing all kinds of
crazy stuffy.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I haven't been seeing that kind of news. Yeah, how
do they know that?

Speaker 8 (10:41):
The women?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
But how do they know, Brothersky, how they know the
women are married? Do they tell them I'm married?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
They chaste? All this stuff down, man?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. They don't. I don't
think they discriminate though, they're just they're just for them,
they're just women.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
Yeah, I understand that, but you know what the things
are going on in our community. That's the last thing
we need to be doing.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Is indiscriminate entertainers.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
I don't know what to call it, but it's a fan,
that's what you call it.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, they're fans, but you know you unly fans
and stuff. That stuff's usually be done behind closed doors.
But charging people ten thousand dollars to do it pupularly,
that's the behavior that these young guys are talking about.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
They're charging ten thousand dollars to take a picture. Yes,
are they getting it?

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (11:34):
Getting it too?

Speaker 4 (11:35):
What you take with me?

Speaker 7 (11:38):
A big divorce case with what's his name, Ussha, there's
a big divorce case with him doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Well, let me ask you this, brother, are the female
rappers doing the same as the young brothers.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Or female rappers.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
They probably couldn't do the same thing because they halfway naked,
so they can't even get nobody closer.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
The I don't know about that, well, I guess you
don't know nothing.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
About Red and.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
This person that place guerrilla and all these rappers are
stilling the thing man. They doing it with women and men.
So yes, see, this is what I'm saying having your
ear to the ground, Carl. You know, we know you
and your brothers don't hang in them kind of corners,
but this is actually happened to ask your facts in

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real time. And this this is I guess this goes
into the question that the young guys want me to ask.
Y'all this one and one thing they want to ask
you and Kevin. Do you really believe that they don't
understand what the white man is doing? That's number one?
And I asked the second question, and it's nothing but

(12:53):
two questions. Do you really believe that they don't understand
the history of this white man and what he's doing. First,
what I'm saying is the young guys are saying that
they have studied some of the great from Claude Allinson

(13:14):
to Francis to uh, Doctor Francis to uh, the black
man got understand the black woman. The black woman got
to understand the black man. Some of these these uh,
these young brothers are very equipped with understanding the history. Now,

(13:35):
they might be a little slow when it comes down
to slavery and stuff like that, but they understand the tradition,
how it became.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
To what it is.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
So they want me to ask you all the question,
do you really believe that they don't really understand the game?
The middleman, the person who's who's calling the shot?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Oh, I see, do do we believe that the young
people today really do understand what's going on there?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well, let me jump in here, fellas, let me see
live straight up. No, they don't, because see they're they're
what their vision is from America is start with slavery.
If you don't understand how the greatness that we had
in Egypt, our ancestors in Egypt, if they understand that,
then there's no problem for them for the rest of
understanding anything. That's why I ask you question, says know thyself,

(14:25):
Because they don't know who they are. So they're talking
about slavery and the white man. What happened when we
got here. We had a glorious life before we got here.
If they understand that and tell them, and you tell
them to listen tomorrow, because Tony Browner will be here.
He's been to Egypt several times. He Tony will know
how to reach them. If they understand that, they don't
have any problems at all, because they'll know who they
really are.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
No, but they don't.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Well, Carl, I to disagree with you in that because
some of these brothers are from Africa, and then that
doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
They don't teach this stuff in Africa.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
This is what we I think we fall short as
elders sometimes by underestimating the knowledge of some of these
young brothers. I think you spend time with these young brothers,
they start breaking things down to you, talking about the
nineteen seventeen eighteen dynasty, even talking about women who made
wrong almost fall. When you start listening to these brothers,

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I'm telling you, I'm not talking about these knuckerheads, these
pooplies and ray rays that they call. I'm talking about
these brothers who are in these these these where places
that there are discussing real problems in real time, and
they understand the foundation of it, and how was.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Jumping to say this? Though you can understand early a
conversation with anybody, any black person, you can understand their conversation.
You can understand what the astraquestion says. That their circumference,
their boundaries is bounded by what happened when we got here,
because they have a different conversation from people who understand
about and sis this and the brothers you talk about,

(16:02):
they don't get it. Seventeen after the top they out,
though I'll let you respond to that when we get back.
We gotta take a short break. Family, you two can
join our conversation with Brothers Skier. Reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Thank Grand Rising family, Thanks for waking up with us
on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with us.
At twenty minutes after the top of the how I
guess his brother a scared brother, a skier. He works
with our young people, young adults, and you know, sometimes
there are social and political issues dimetrically opposed to the
ones that we have today. You know, trying to tell
them like they are a knowledgele. But you can understand
a person's knowledge if they don't understand know who they

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really are. And I don't even have to say, Tony
brad Wi back me up on this. They got questions
and you tell them to call in tomorrow and Tony's here.
They understand about doctor Ben and doctor Clark because you
mentioned those names. They probably never heard of those fellas
doctor Ben and doctor Clark and understand what they put down,
because if they're the foundation of what all these scholars
that have come after know about who we are and

(17:26):
what we've accomplished back in those days, see their boundaries
about what they know, and what they know about is
what's in this country. You know, that's where they think
everything started when we got here, it didn't. So once you,
once you understand, you have a glorious pass and what
you accomplished everything was created Egypt chemists as it should be.
Knowing the creatile of civilization, you have a different outlook

(17:47):
in life. And you can tell. You can just tell
by a conversation you have about And I'll ask Tony
the question tomorrow and tell them to listen and get
his response. But more so though brother scared you say
they want to talk about reallylationships, they have issues with relationships.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
How so, Yeah, but I.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
Don't want to go over what you just said. I
really don't because I think this is what we have
a funk in the road. I'm with these guys. I've
been with these guys ever since twenty fifteen, and I'm
sixty six years old myself call and it's hard to
fool me. I come through the rank of prior to
seventy five the Nation of Islam, and I'm still a

(18:24):
brother the Nation Islam. So you ain't gonna pull that
sucker stuff over me.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
That's number one.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
When I'm in in each room, I'm in his room
to bring some balance. But if you will to say
these brothers don't know themselves, Hey, you got brothers there
speak four and five different language. They know about doctor Ben,
they know about most of all the scholars you have
had on their radio show. I guarantee you they got
this one brother named angry Man. He came through the

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ranks of the nation. He's one of the biggest contents there.
Then you had this brother named Kevin.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Wait wait, and it's called angry Man. He shouldn't be
angry if he understands stem and racist and white supremacy works.
But he shouldn't be Yeah, but he shouldn't even You
shouldn't even call himself angry. You shouldn't even be angry.
That's what I'm saying that. But when you're dealing with well, well,
it was nothing else to say that that that that
knocks him out of the box right away, because if

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you understand what's going on, you don't get angry.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
I know when doctor when I used to take doctor
Kalead around, when I need to take doctor Khalead around.
One of the things I learned from doctor colleague as
being the regions and UH minister and and and West
Point I in California. He says, sometimes you got to
speak the language of the people you speaking to to
get their attention. Once you get their attention, then you

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can throw that knowledge in there. And so this brother,
who I'm telling you angry man, he came through the ranks,
one of the one of the I would say, one
of the smartest brothers, young brothers out there. When it
comes down to two books, I mean, he takes his
he takes his uh, his camera, and he got behind him,

(20:02):
almost a smifsonia of our black scholars, and he'd be
pulling the books off of that all the time, and
he'd be teaching and preaching. So I wouldn't just say
this is for me because I'm hanging with these guys,
I wouldn't say that. And then the other guy who
I'm speaking of, he started off by with men. Nobody

(20:25):
said anything when he went in there and start criticizing men.
But when he as soon as he started criticizing women,
then all hell broke a loose. And what I'm saying
is he said the same thing to men that he
was saying to women. And so this is where I think,
this is why I tell the young generation that the

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older people don't stop.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Because you're going down the road. That's it's it's sort
of reverence. Some people understand. Again, why would you attack men?
Why do you attack when? Why you attack black people periods? Now,
that's again real, that's scared. You said they were attacked. No,
come on, you said that to us, and let me
just finish up because we're not going to agree. But
what I'm telling you, these young people, they don't understand.

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That's one of the first things you don't attack our people.
You just thron't if they understood who they were, and
don't attack a black person, period.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
A bad choice of words, but there's no difference than
the people you have on the radio. Start talking about
our conditions and our mindset and everything else. That's what
I'm talking about, showing brothers that you need to clean
yourself up.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, oh we got it. Let's scared. Let's here, because
we're going to disagree because you approve of what they're saying.
I'm telling you they don't know enough because once you
know enough, you don't attack any of us, because that's
how the system of racism, white supremacy works. You said,
they know doctor Bannon, doctor Clark. They've heard them, but
they don't practice what they preach. They never preached you.
They always keep an eye on the enemy, not us.

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For these young folks who are attacking our black women
or are brothers, they're of course, because they don't know
who they are. That's one of the first things. So
when I hear them come like that, I'm like, I
just just dismissed them just that. I just out of
hand because they.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Don't know stop communicating with people just because they know you.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Shouldn't communicate with but they need they need to know more.
They need to know more because you understand.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
The people call.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm just I'm just reflecting what you said, Brother Ski.
We're not and and here again, hold on a second,
because we're gonna stop you right here, because because we're
not gonna spend all day arguing, because that's one of
the things too, that if you understand.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Who you are, you don't argue with mesagreeing with we
have in the conversation.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Brother, No, we know you disagree and and you there's
no way I can convince you. So I'm gonna stop
because there's one of the things that brother told Tony
told me. Brother Nika Rashidi said the same thing.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
We're not gonna get everybody.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Some people just don't want to be free. So we're
just gonna leave him alone. So we're gonna move on.
Twenty six after the top yew Tony wants to join
the conversation. He's calling from Seattle. He's online too, Grand Rising, Tony,
You're on we brother Skia.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Ask the brother could.

Speaker 10 (23:05):
We still work with the brothers you say, like example
Pookie and Railway, can.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
We still work with them? Can we spoon feed them
and still bring them along. I don't want us to
leave anybody behind.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
Yes, sir, I believe if you know the history of
Malcolm X, what was he a pimp, a drug dealer,
a robber, a thief and everything else. And he came
into the knowledge and look what he turned out to be.
So when we started characterizing our young people like they
have to stay in that same square and they don't
know anything. They're observing just like we're observing. They just

(23:43):
take information totally different. So, yes, we can take the
worst of us. We can take the worst of us
and turn into the best of us. Ain't nobody you know,
Just like the Bible said one who hadn't seeing cast
the first stone. So what I'm just saying is if
we give up on our future, then we have no future.

(24:06):
If we give up on our young people and we
just say they're dumb and we go go in there
and signing them, they're never gonna listen to us. We
can't even treat our children like that.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Tony ever follow up? Uh No, all right, thank you, Tony,
thank you a getting it for so early as Seattle,
Washington twenty and after the top of Justice's joining us.
He's calling from Vegas. He's on line three, Grand rising
Brother Justice shown with your own brother skill, Oh chap.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
Brother Ski so long as they come black Man well
lake of bs Alam, Sir, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 11 (24:44):
You know, I wasn't in a registered believe her at
Muhammad's Mod's number seventy five here, but they refer to
me as the Theolosian. They called me the Theolosian brother.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
Acts.

Speaker 11 (24:56):
I didn't get my Muhammed when Minister Pharaoh coll And
gave out that gift. It was green and gold and
it was Muhammed if I was a registered believer. But
with that in mind, we deal with soldiers all the time,
and I refer to him as weak soldiers if you
go with the approval the fi.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (25:16):
And that wasn't even out of Chicago. That's how much
belief we have in those brothers that's out there in
the street.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
So we teach them. We refer to him as the
death dumb in the blood, but we liberate them with
the truth.

Speaker 11 (25:30):
And if you want to stand up to that truth,
you can, am I right.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yes, sir, All braises to all braises to a lit
bro and.

Speaker 7 (25:38):
This is what I'm saying, is that's right.

Speaker 11 (25:41):
Brother I was with I was on a security detail
in San Diego. The brothers wanted to know how could
he be on? They asked the brother captain, how could
you be on the security detail? And you're not register.
Because of my thinking and my beliefs in the truth,
I stand up and I will defend the truth at
all courts.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
But sister aid of my she was on the rush.

Speaker 11 (26:01):
Now she spoke on the atmosphere. You see the atmosphere.
You guys to be in the right atmosphere. And I
try to say this all the time. Cultivate the right atmosphere.
If you can create the right atmosphere righteous.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
Injustice, then you can cultivate that.

Speaker 11 (26:19):
See a lot of our brothers and a lot in
that atmosphere. They're still out here in the still from
the front.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (26:27):
Yes, sir, if you just think about it, think about
her brother, Think about twenty seven out here in California
where I'm at.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm I'm southern. I'm from Charlotte Nook, Carolina.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
I came out here in nineteen ninety twenty seven when
doctor colleague.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Came out here. You know he pulled, He pulled gang members, bring.

Speaker 7 (26:46):
Them in, cleaned them up. That turned out to be
something the best security that the nation have ever seen.
Matter of fact, they were so good they called them
West Point. Now, if you think I'm lying and what
I'm saying, then your own thing you have to do
go back and ask history. Yes, sir, and so what
I'm saying that, Like the minutires say, if I have

(27:07):
to lie to you to be a friend of you,
that's one friendship I don't. I used to have spent
a lot of time with these brothers I have. I
have seen these brothers grow. Do I believe everything these
brothers say?

Speaker 4 (27:21):
No?

Speaker 7 (27:22):
I know they still have to have room.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
To grow, But that comes with time, That's.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
Right, brother, And that's why mathematics is important.

Speaker 11 (27:31):
What's the day's mathematic?

Speaker 6 (27:33):
And we break that down all the time. No, we
drew when I was in the streets in Brooklyn.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
Who are you?

Speaker 6 (27:39):
God?

Speaker 11 (27:40):
What's the day's mathematic?

Speaker 7 (27:42):
You see?

Speaker 12 (27:43):
And that has to be fought.

Speaker 11 (27:44):
And if we're dealing with week soldiers, we still have
the winning Mandela method.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Hotel, Thank you Justice, Winning Mandela. This is one of
our soldiers. For those of you know know what Brother
Justice referring to twenty nine minutes away from the top,
they are just waking up. I guess his brother a Scale.
Brother of Scale works with our young people, young adults,
and then he reports back to us what they're doing,
and usually some of their social and political ideas, and

(28:12):
you know, some are diametrically a post what we're doing.
But as we say, life is a classroom, so we're
always learning. So it's all we're open for them to
understand more. You never nobody knows everything at a one point.
But the basis you gotta start, you Scotts, start loving
your people. You can't be attacking your people. That's the basics.
Once you understand that, you can move on very very quickly.
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to

(28:34):
seventy six. Kareem is checking in from Baltimore. He's on
line four Grand Rising. Kareem, you're on with brother a Skia.

Speaker 10 (28:40):
Hey, Pece, I just wanted to add one specific word
to this conversation, which is mentality. Because if we check
the history of Malcolm X, because Malcolm X attacked those
people who were not defending themselves, we need to look
at the mentality because eventually Malcolm X's mentality change and

(29:06):
them brothers who are who?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Who?

Speaker 10 (29:08):
Brother who the brother is saying that was attacking those
other individuals. It is understanding that we lack and when
we at a different place, because that's what mathematically is.
Everybody has a different understanding. And I'm glad he used
that word because in the Supreme Book that it lies

(29:31):
with Muhammad wrote he talked about how we need to
be with our speech, how we need to have the
best speaker speak for us. So it's about it's about
us having a responsibility of accountability to check ourselves but
also check each other. It's a balance between the two.
So I don't disagree with Brother the Brother, but I

(29:54):
do need to say that maybe if he could get
those brothers to check their men mentalities and how they
bring it. Because we all want the same thing. We
all want freedom, justice and equality fo COVID show we
want that, so we all striving through the same thing.
The role that we take, how we drive and get

(30:14):
there might be different, but we need to have to
understanding that we all trying to get to the same destination.
And on that I say peak, y'all have a good day, say.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
Up family, brothers, and that's what I'm saying, called is.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Your approach of as leadership.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
These brothers trying to find their way, bro and I
have seen a change in them since twenty and fifteen
to twenty and twenty five. These brothers are getting into
where they're trying to train, retrain brothers and jobs where
these brothers can go out there and make a decent living.
These brothers trying to clean brothers up so they be

(30:59):
prepared for marriage. But these brothers do have some complaints.
They have some complaints of the behavior of our community.
And I think there's no difference in I have heard
many speeches, speakers come on this radio station and your
station when you was in ray out here in California.

(31:19):
Now some of the brothers could come on there and
listen to them programmed and say they're being attacked. But
when you talking about actual facts, you're not attacking anybody.
When we got twenty one million babies being aborted since
nineteen seventy six and this is twenty twenty five. We
haven't had a war, but that many people died. When

(31:39):
we got people today up to sometime thirty percent fathers
who the children is not theirs, and they make it.
And they have pushed for a new law to say,
may every baby be DNA so a father can know
that child is his. We got are unfair problems who

(32:01):
are paying child support, but they can't claim that child
on their tax return. So what I'm saying is these
brothers are mytholically going in and trying to change some
behaviors in our community. And when you got now we've
got our community card. This is our community. The average
woman in our community weighs one hundred and eighty eight pounds.

(32:24):
The guys weigh one hundred and ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
The guy's average.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Height it's five to nine. The average woman height it's
five four. We're talking about obesity. These guys are just
not out there attacking things. They're trying to make things better.
Maybe the words and how they said, and a lot
of that comes from when you hurt, when you disappointed.

(32:50):
You might speak in a tongue that is not coming
to say to everyone else, but your actual facts are
what you're speaking about, are your community is seeing your
just in California right now on the street fourteen fifteen,
they just had a big hit out here with young
men the pooking in ray rays. I'm talking about who

(33:11):
are putting these young ladies out there, and them young
ladies are putting themselves out. Let me just tell you something,
mister Nelson. The Internet has changed the course of relationships.
This internet. Now that the average girl can have five
and six hundred guys on hard DM promise that everything
under the sun.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So she I'm brother scared? How I felt right there.
We gotta get caught up with the ladies news. I'll
let you finish your thought on the other side. And please,
when you speak to those young brothers, let's talk about solutions.
I talk about the end product, why they are boughting babies,
why they have a hit list of man all of
all that old social issues. You have to go to
the root of the problem and come up with solutions. Anyways,
I mentioned we got to get caught up on the

(33:52):
ladies news, trafficing, weather, not different cities at twenty three
minutes away from the top. That will come back with
the scales response. You can join us too at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
ticket calls after the news.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
It's next.

Speaker 8 (34:11):

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Hang Round, Rising Family, thanks for starting your week with us.
Seventeen minutes away from the top of the with our
guest brother Skier. Brother Skier works out of LA with
our young people, young adults, and he reports back to
us or what they're thinking. And these are young people,
and sometimes their thoughts are diametrically opposed to what our
thinking is. And some of us, some people are in
agreement with some because again it's all a growing process.

(34:57):
You know, we all didn't reach where we are today.
And some of these young brothers and sisters are learning.
So you know, we're we're not trying to knock them.
We just want to tell them this more to learn.
And instead of pointing the finger at the end result,
because we know what our problems are. We all know
what our problems are, whether it be aborting babies or
hanging out the streets or doing drugs. What's the solution.
It's just where that makes the difference between you understand

(35:19):
who you are. If you understand who you are, he
goes straight to the solution. You don't attack another person,
another black person, and that's that's identified you. How much
of how much of Warryhoul you understand how the system
of racism white supremacy works, because that's how it works.
It keeps you fighting against each other instead of fighting
again the person who created the problem. So just pass
that on to them young brothers, Brothers Sky and tell

(35:40):
them to keep listening tomorrow. And Tony Brown is here
well for you to say that, though'll come up later
this morning. They can listen later this morning because the
visionary and Creative QUANSA, doctor Milana Karrenger is going to
join us. But before we hear from doctor Karrengau, April
Gargains from Black Lives Matter DC will be here. And
later this week you're going to hear from former FBI
agent the doctor Tyron Powers Public Enemies Minutes of Information,
Professor Griff the founder of the Black Lawyers Justice Attorney

(36:05):
My Leadership Schabasso be here. As I mentioned, cemitaogist, Tony
Brown or also Johnny So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure your rate us locked in tight on ten
ten WLB. We're in the DMV though around the FM
ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifteen w OL.
Let's go back to brother Scan. It was tell us
about the litany of issues that these young folks have
with some of our people. So brother scal, I'll let
you continue, Okay, I want.

Speaker 7 (36:27):
To clarify something too. I have been in Believers meeting
with the minister, and I have been to.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
God knows how.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
Many speeches and they have heard minio tapes.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Took one of the roughest, toughest.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
None seeing brother around for seven years, doctor Kaleide Muhammad.
And there was time when I was on posts and
they were things that would just make my spinal cord cringe.
You know, they say a hit dog holler. Sometimes we
don't holler, but sometimes we get the vibration of what

(37:12):
the brothers and sisters are saying. And I say that
to say this that sometimes in life we have to
understand what we are involved in, and sometimes we have
to come out of our own comfortable zone, our own
comfortable living and see what's going on in the world.

(37:35):
I can surround myself with people would do nothing but
positive stuff all my life. I wouldn't have a problem
with that. But that ain't gonna solve the behavior of
our community. And we say we don't see bad behavior
in our community, then hey, that's up to each individual.
But when I am, I'm in there trying to work.
I have seen a change. And this is what I'm

(37:56):
talking about.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
The change.

Speaker 7 (37:57):
It used to be a panel of all men. Now
there's like six women and six men and they're having
their conversation. So that's the kind of change I'm talking about.
It's just not brothers out there bashing. There are sisters
out there who having the same problem with their sisterhood.
We'll speaking on the things that are going on in

(38:19):
our community when we can sit back and when we
can blame the white man at all we want to,
we can say he's the root of the problem. But
we're dealing with the behavior. And you're talking about solution.
You can't have have solution if you ain't gonna talk
about the behavior. Just solute what So your solution gonna
be for what if you ain't gonna talk about the behavior.
So these brothers are doing coding, they have meetups, these

(38:42):
sisters are.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Having meet up. You got some sisters out.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
There who are in octodox Islam and in uh the
Nation of Islam.

Speaker 9 (38:51):
This thing is serious.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
I understand sometimes you know, Uh, Doctor Corley told me
a long time ago, the worsest thing we can do
is become our parents. When we just see things the
way we see things, and we don't see how things
have changed in our life and disconnected we have in
our life with our parents. And so maybe I don't
like just like I said, I don't like some of

(39:15):
the language they use.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
But one thing I do.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
Tell all these brothers and sisters in the end of
the day. And maybe you might disagree with me, mister Nelson,
but the end of the day, if the male supposed
to be the protector and the leader and the provider,
if his if things are happening on his watch, it'sough
for him to clean it. That's why males are put

(39:40):
on this planet. We are the protectors, we are the leaders,
We are the providers that we used to call gatherers.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
So if we don't we.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Want to separate ourselfs from our duties as being the
gods on this earth who'sposal to make sure the family
is intact, then what we're supposed to do. We were
just supposed to let things happen and just worry about
the white man. I don't really, mister Nelson. I don't
give a damn about white man. I give a damn

(40:10):
about my people. I know our people was all on
top at one time, and we can get back on
top of that mountain again. But we can't get on
the top by being playing of victims. We are not victims.
We are survivors until we get this mentality in our
head that we need to do something as black men,

(40:31):
and we go be crucified because we want to do
and we want.

Speaker 12 (40:35):
Our community better.

Speaker 7 (40:36):
I'm gonna stay in there with them, brothers, and I'm
gonna make sure when they get out of line, I'm
gonna bring them back in line. But if you think
these brothers are just some incompous or some of fools
who don't understand what's going on in their life, then
we we gotta disconnect. It's not that I believe in
these brothers. I believe in our future and our children are.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Let me stop.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
You sh see litokey there, because we were all like
those brothers at one time. It's a process. That's why
we understand. We're not trying to alienate them, We're just
trying to take them up to the next level because
we've been programmed to hate each other. You talking about
the white man, who cares about the white man? But
we've been pro we're talking about us. We don't care
about anybody. We're talking about us as a family. So

(41:20):
we understand where they are because many of us, some
of that are still there. And from what you say,
these brothers are moving incrementally, they're moving up. They don't
understand anymore. But once you understand how the process starts,
and you go straight to the solution, because you know
what the problem is. So why beat up on the problem.
Why the black women have abortions? Why are they having abortions?
What's the cause of it, what's the root of it.

(41:42):
Once you start going there, you'll solve the problem. But
you can't solve the problem by just beating up on
the sisters for you know, indiscriminated abortions. Why look into
the background, How did it all start? Why are brothers
in the homes? That's where you start, not just beating
up on the edge product. And that's where we are.
We hey, And once you understand that for one of

(42:05):
the reasons that you don't beat as I told you,
we don't beat up on black people, even those who
disagree with us, even those young brothers who are still
were still there and not the grade level yet. But
they hear about the senior what's going on upstairs, but
they haven't reached there yet because it takes a process.
We wasn't born this way. We're all programmed, as doctor

(42:25):
Fox said, we were all programmed this way. So it
takes a process. So if they keep listening, and I
hope they do. I hope they listening to doctor Fox.
Hope they listened to Tony Browner, doctor Kurenga, Ashua Quasi
and so on by other leaders that we have scholars, uh,
professor Small and throw him in there and they'll understand.
But we just didn't wake up one morning and all

(42:45):
of a sudden, wow, the light bulb ground. It took years,
And it depends on how you are emotionally to understand
that and digest it and then reflected it and then
move on. So we're not we're not hating on that
because we've been there. So they can hat on us,
but we're not. We don't hate on anybody. Once you
understand how that works, once you understan know who you are,
you don't hate anybody, especially not the black person.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
Finish well, well, why you use these words women?

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Women? Why you women?

Speaker 7 (43:13):
I corrected myself a bad choice of words beating up
All right, I corrected myself in that I was a
bad ch choice of words. And then you say, my
question is to you do you think the minister beat
up on people.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Of mister Nelson, Minister Farcon, Yes, sir, No, he goes
to the solutions.

Speaker 7 (43:36):
Okay, No, no, he goes to the problem first and
then he goes to the solution.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Right he know, because he says the problem, then here's
a solution. He does go straight to the solution. You've
got to said the problem, then go to the solution.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
Well, that's what I've been trying to to to to
carry carry this conversation is it's just not the problems.
I'm telling you the problems today are discuss it.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You gotta understand, I'm not wearing them talking about solutions
a scale. That's that's every time you come on, it's
about this and they want passport but this and they
you know, everything else is negative about us. I'm not hearing, well,
what can we how can we how can we fix this?
How can we solve this solution?

Speaker 7 (44:16):
If it's something ain't negative?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Pardon why would you have a solution.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
If something they ain't negative?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I don't understand that.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
Okay, understand this all right. The marriage rate is down.
The brothers are trying to get the marriage rate up.
They're saying some of the most intimate parts of why
marriage rate rates are down. Okay, I mean, we can
go across the board and say it's down for everybody,

(44:47):
but that's not the importance of them. So are we
raising our females to be wives? Are we raising our
males to be husbands? So you always think it's one sided,
is not one sided?

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And since you're talking about words, let me jump in here.
You raise, you raise livestock, you teach adults, humans, So
since you're going to go into the word issue, you
don't raise people. That's what you do with animals, and
we're not animals. So since you want to play the
word game, well we'll start right there. So but first

(45:23):
you've got to you keep on saying that we know
what the problem, what's the problem why these marriage is failing,
and why the marriage is failing across the board, And
you think they don't.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
Go in and do the CDCs and they don't go
into divorced course and get these statists, and seeing.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
That you again, that's that's the that's the problem.

Speaker 7 (45:43):
That thing of why marriage failing right round. I guarantee
a lot of people don't even know.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
What is it.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
The number one thing of black marriage is right now
to get center. Percent of the women going into the
court system has nothing to do with finance finance as
second first thing is that person is not happy.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Feeling.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
We're trying to make women understand you're gonna have ups
and downs in marriage. We're not talking about abuse when
I'm talking about none because I didn't even.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Get to them statists.

Speaker 7 (46:19):
We're talking about people just because it's so easy to
walk in that court room and get half of a
man access just because she don't feel good about the relationship.
No more a man will stay in a relationship turn off.
You pretty much have to send the copstead of dragg
him out of the house. But women are starting to

(46:40):
go down in that courtroom. And seventy eight percent of
our divorces fouled in our community are by women. So
you see that has not been a problem. So now
they are talking about women. We got to understand life
is not surrounding about your feeling. You have to have
the best interest of the family. You got to keep

(47:01):
the family in the nuclear family in tag and so
they have doctors to come on. You think these just
a bunch of loose mouth brothers and sisters. They got doctors,
they got psychiatrists to come on these these websites speaking
to these brothers and sisters.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
Carlin.

Speaker 7 (47:17):
One of the things I can say, brother, if these
brothers didn't love sisters, and they hated sisters, they wouldn't
be sent up there talking about sisters. Ain't none of
these brothers trying to go out there and bust up
some blow some white women back out. They're talking about
the problems in our community and how can we fix
the problem in our community. But if we're not there,
we're not listening to the whole conversation. We get a snippet,

(47:39):
a bite here and a bite there, and we think
that's all these brothers are talking about. You actually have
to go in there and see that there's brothers and
sisters who want better love for each other. They understand
the things that the problems, how it was built, how
werefare and how all these other things became, these talk

(48:00):
shows and all these other faiths that came into somebody.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Right, Ah, I thought, right there, brother, scared. We got
to get caught up in the traffic weather and Mark
in Baltimore has a question for you. But again talking
about you mentioned the sisters of filing for divorce. Why
that's what That's all I'm asking. That's what we need
to ask, the question we need to ask. Anyways, three
away from the top, I'll let you respond, we get
back and I'll let you speak with mar from Baltimore

(48:24):
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
to get in on our conversations this morning. Guess this
brother scared and works with out young people, and we
take your calls after the traffic and weather update that's next,

(48:52):
and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Monday morning here, thanks for starting your work
week with us. I guess right now is brother is
Sci coming up? Gonna speaker sister April Goggins from Black
Lives Matter d C. He's gonna find out what they're
up to. But let's let's let brother Sci finish his
thoughts and then I promise Mark has a question for
for your brother. I'll let you finish your thought. Brother scared?

(49:20):
Have we lost brother scare? Kevin I'm not hearing brothers.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
I'm sorry I went on mute. Uh my do apologize
for that, but I try to go mute so y'all
will hear anything in the background. I see a change
in the weather. I see what sisters and brothers are
coming together because most of the palels it and when
there was an epidemic, there was mostly just me and

(49:46):
voice in their complaint with what was going on in
our community. Now I see a balance where women are
I guarantee you, sisters, Sir Ali, have you gotta eat
her book sales? Because these brothers talk about that. And
the brother who used to say all the time, I'm

(50:06):
still learning. They checking these.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Brothers and sisters out.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
And I'm telling you it's just not complaint because they
don't believe in victimhood. These brothers are brothers and sisters
are the number one who don't believe in victimhood. They't
even got a name for it, you know, And so
they don't believe in that. They believe in solutions. They
believe in what can we do, what can we do

(50:33):
in our community? That I didn't even know this, mister Nelson,
I didn't know Black Fathers was the number one fathers
who are in nature's in life more than any race
in the United States. And I guarantee that that us
a lot of people who don't know that because that's
not the image they put out on TV. So they
have did a study and it's not a black study.

(50:55):
This is a study come across a CDC and and
some other studies have proven the point fathers are in
their children in life more than any other race. Now
you're not gonna hear that on news. You ain't gonna
hear that. You're on too many black shows because black
men had got to the point in the last few

(51:17):
years they damn if they do, and they damn if
they don't, and they got tired of it and they
start speaking back, and I don't Just like I said,
I don't think it's ever been about hatreds. I think
it's been they want their community to be better because
it was about hatreds. They we just went out there
hell and minister will tell you this, the black man
is the most wanted man on this planet. So if

(51:39):
they just wanted to move on, they could have moved
on a long Timego and just stop talking.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
But I'm gonna cut you here because we got another
guest down jacking up. A bunch of folks wanted to
talk to you. But I promise the Mark from Baltimore
was holding for a while. He's online too. He's got
a question on comment for you, Mark cran Rich, And
you're wrong with brother that's ski.

Speaker 9 (51:58):
Hey, Hey, how y'all doing brothers this morning?

Speaker 6 (52:01):
Call?

Speaker 9 (52:01):
I turned when I tuned in, I was listening to you,
and I agree with you one hundred percent. Matter of fact,
I've been married eighteen years. Me and my wife is
in recovery and uh, you know, God is the center
of our marriage and our life. And in marriage it's
really a lot of marriages get divorced because you know,

(52:22):
uh it's neither one, you know, not both people are
doing the work. But with that being said, I agree
with you one hundred percent. Called I'm out of the mob.
But Francis Chres Wellesley, I'm out of the mob of
the minister because it's about self, it's about us. A
lot of people get it twisted about.

Speaker 13 (52:41):
The million man march.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
A million man march.

Speaker 9 (52:43):
Was about atonement for the black man. It wasn't about
how many people was there. And Francis Crest Wellson said
that we're the only people on this planet who have
been taught to sing and praise our demeans. I'm a bit,
I'm a whole, I'm a gangster, I'm a dog, I'm

(53:03):
a dolt. If you can train people to demean and
degrade themselves, you can oppress them forever. You can even
program them to kill themselves and they won't even understand
what happened. And call me and Laura Young. We're gonna
be on I'm gonna be co hosted with him right
after you and I'll be on this Sunday at five

(53:26):
pm on my show talking about addiction recovery.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
And Mark, I had to cut you because we got
another guest coming out. My brother Sci a chance to
respond to what you just said a fact. Thank you
for your call, and brother Sci. He quoted doctor Welson
and let me just add Neelie Fuller too, because somebody
wanted to know if white supremacy the root cause of
our problems. That's what doctor Welson says, and that's what
Neelie Fuller says as well. Neeli Fullih says, if you

(53:51):
don't understand how the system and the keyword is the system,
so don't get hung up on the word white. If
you understand how the system of racism, white supremacy works.
Everything else that you think you understand going to serve
to confuse you. But brother Escare, I'll let you respond
to what Mark and apoject. For the folks who called
Hi late couldn't have a chance to have a dialogue
with you, But I'll let you respond real qui because

(54:12):
we've got another guest.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
For the people who don't believe that these brothers don't
know doctor Fuller, some of these brothers have had his
tapes on and tried to get him over before he
made his transition. So this is what I'm saying is
I don't have too much say because I know you
got another gas. But I think we're being very hard

(54:35):
on the young people, and I'm gonna leave you with this.
You think any of us cleaning this, you think you
think the means are only dirty, the women ain't dirty too, well,
I'm sorry because that ain't what I've been seeing in
the last sixty six years I've been on this planet.

(54:56):
We're all dirt in this and we go out to
get We're gonna have to have some truth, and the
truth gonna hurt for a little bit. Hey, that's what
change come in. Sometimes sometime we're gonna have to bring
back shaming. When you got girls fourteen fifteen years old
jumping on tables and restaurant torking, when a when when

(55:18):
a family owned restaurant men and women. You got women
going every week you see a woman going into a
restaurant having a fit about her fool not right. So
what I'm trying to say is you got brothers being
shot down, You got all kinds of things going in
our community. Yeah, that is problem, mister Nelson. But if

(55:39):
you don't start to problems, albums started with conversation communication.
If you go dismiss these brothers or these sisters because
because we.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Were just out of time brother scaring, nobody's dismissing them
because we understand what you guys are getting upset. We're
not upset with you because we were there with them,
We've thought like them at some point. It's a growing process.
And what you should do is tell them to read
Doctor Fox's books. Will get some of Doctor Foxy's tapes
addicted to white they oppressed in league with their pressor

(56:12):
shame based on life.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
Doctor Fox to come on with these young people. He
won't even come on with these young people.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Well you tell them to call it here? What are
they're scared to come on here? He's on here all
the time. Well listen, Eski, this is an official invitation.
Next time doctor Fox is on the radio. I'll let
you know in advance, and you you call and tell
them to call it. They got a question something that
they need some clarification, Doctor Fox will respond. But listen,
I got I got to run because sister April has

(56:39):
been holding for a minute and she's our next guest.
But I thank you, thank you for sharing the information.
Tell those brothers and little sisters, nobody's dislikes them or
hates them or think they're in fear or anything like that.
We understand where they are because this is a growing
process for us as black people, and this is what
Neelie Fuller has always told us with so much confusion,
and many of them are confused from where standpoint. But

(57:01):
if they tell them to listen, if they keep listening,
they'll understand how that system works. But I thank you
for your call, brother Ski. All right, family who grew
up overtime. April Goggins is next, so she's from Black
Lives Matter, Washington, d C. April grand Rising, Welcome to
the program, and I thank you for being so patient
with us.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Oh problem.

Speaker 14 (57:21):
I love listening. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
April, give us a little bit of your background. How
did you get involved with Black Lives Matter? First, because
we should have sort of a ritual for our first
time guest, How did you get involved in Black Lives
Matter DC?

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Yeah, so I.

Speaker 14 (57:34):
Actually am originally from Colorado. I moved to d C
in about nineteen years ago, and I started here actually
as a tenant organizer, and then actually it was my
brother and them who started with the Black Lives Matter
movement and then initially creating our chapter. I don't think

(57:56):
I really got involved with this side of organizing until
I realized that what I was seeing on the street
with the police here was kind of indictive, indicative of
policing in general, and had some some deeper, systemic, some
systemic roots to it. And so, uh, once I saw that,
and once I started seeing folks in my community, in

(58:21):
my neighborhood, my daughter and my daughter's friends, and then
just looking at DC police in general, I you know,
people say you get radicalized, but no, I I I
that's kind of where the fire started. It's just, you know,
when you see a system that you understand but may
not have had the in person, you know, kind of

(58:44):
manifestation of those systems of oppression and policing, and you know,
so for me, it started there, and it started with
meeting families of people who were killed by police here
in d C. And then in my own activism. It's
just it's grown to become kind of most of what

(59:06):
I do. And I'll say that, you know, Black Lives
Matter DC is not part of the national organization, which
I think is something that's important.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
Is that we with other chapters.

Speaker 14 (59:16):
Ten of some of the first chapters and largest chapters
left in twenty twenty because we felt like our communities
deserve transparency and accountability when it comes to funds and
most importantly the work that we do, that we don't
become a political arm for any party, and that we

(59:38):
stay grounded in our political direction and accountable to our
communities who are us as well.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Right, So.

Speaker 14 (59:49):
I think that's always really important to say too.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
All right, thirteen Earth and taf April, thank you for Josh.
I'm glad that you clarify that you guys are independent
because I know frequently we have a doctor Malina Abdullah,
and she said from she broke away from the BRACKLA.
She was one of the founders and broke away and
started Black Lives Matter grassroots and I'm glad you is
an autonomous chapter here in Washington, d C. But you
talk about that the police on the streets and the

(01:00:14):
troops on the streets said, how do you see that?
Do you see that as reassuring or do you see
that as provocative?

Speaker 14 (01:00:19):
It's absolutely provocative. It's political theater. Living in d C.
Like any any big city, there is crime. But I
think we've lost you know, I think that there's a
fervor outside of DC around what is perceived to be
safe or unsafe that just really isn't reality on the ground.

(01:00:41):
And so now the reality is that the violence is
coming from the state, is coming from these police, right,
because you've got people, I mean, DC has always had
federal police here. You know, we have thirty two independent
federal agencies. We have eight university uh police departments and

(01:01:01):
five local police departments. So they've always been here.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
But what we see now is because.

Speaker 14 (01:01:06):
There's a president who said basically these these police can
do anything that they want if it means that crime
is going to go down, which which it already is.
And so what you see on the ground now is
it's always been kind of a silent occupation, but this
is a show of force. This is literally just to
show how many of us there are. And then I

(01:01:27):
think in addition to that, what you what you saw
in the beginning of this presidency where two officers who
murdered Kuran uh Kuran Hilton here in d C were pardoned.
So these officers here, both federal and local, are operating
with the kind of impunity that that you know, we

(01:01:50):
we've seen it, but to to the extent that they
know that they are pretty much invincible. And and you know,
it's kind of like the the excitement the President created
around January sixth, he's created now around the streets of DC.
So you just have mobs of police walking around like
literally like a gang, depending on which agencies there are.

(01:02:12):
They are knocking on doors, they're checking id's and DC
that's it's you don't have to show an ID unless
you're operating a car. You know, they are going after
people who are videotaping, probably more than I've seen in
in my life or here especially. But I mean that
tells you something about the impunity. First, we have a

(01:02:35):
right to film the police, but second to be that bold,
but also at the same time knowing that you need
to shut down how much of it gets into the media. So, yeah,
what you're seeing here, you're seeing young folks who are
being targeted, talked about like animals. And what we know

(01:02:56):
from the data and lived experience is that when it
comes to violence, it's always in every city a very
small number of people doing almost the majority or more
than the majority of the violence, harm, crime, whatever you
want to call it. So this is an all out attack.
I'm gonna say it's an all out attack on black people,

(01:03:17):
black and brown people, immigrant folks. That this is about
enacting force to enforce these racist, you know, islamophobic, xenophobic,
white supremacist views that this administration has, all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Right, and I hold that through Right there, April, We're
gonna step aside for a few moments. Family, just checking
in with us. Seventeen minutes off the top there, April Gogin.
Guess she's from Black Lives Matter Washington, d C, the
DC chapter, and she's discussing the fact that the federal
troops are on the streets of Washington, d C. And
coming properly to a city near the you if you
live in New York, Chicago, LA, They're going to be
there here soon. But the problem is, April, once you

(01:04:00):
respond to this when we get back, is that some
people think that there there is crime in the district.
And even Treyon White City Council members says before all this,
he said, bringing the National Guard. So how do you
respond to that? Let you respond when you get back,
because some people say it's a good thing they're on
the street. To the district. Family, you two can join
our conversation. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'm we'll take your

(01:04:21):
phone calls next.

Speaker 8 (01:04:24):

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
And gund Rising Family. Twenty minutes after the top of
that out, I guess April drot Goggins. April is with
Black Lives Matter with DC the DC Chapter, and she
says the federal troops on the streets of the district
is an overreach. Some people I mentioned before we left
for the break trayon right before the federal troops and
for Donald Trump with the troops on the streets, he
was calling for the National Guards patrol. He says that

(01:05:09):
that the crime is out of control in the district.
And you have some folks who live here, April say
the same thing your thoughts.

Speaker 14 (01:05:17):
Yeah, So obviously trey On White is my council member.
So I lived in his ward, and I will say that,
you know, I have known Traum for you know, for
a while. I will also say that on this point
he is absolutely wrong. And I'll say it really is
disappointing that to live in a ward with that is

(01:05:39):
ninety five percent black and is already the most over
policed and under resourced part of DC, like calling in
the National Guard means putting soldiers of war who are
trained for war in our neighborhoods that are already harmed
by not only aggressive policing but yes violence, right, and
decades and decades of data shows that it doesn't actually work.

(01:06:01):
And Trayon and I will say, Trayon has a very
unique and strong connection with the young folks in DC, right,
And so I feel, especially as someone who lives here,
the very real fear and anger and frustration about violence.
Our chapter, you know, helped with more than thirty five

(01:06:22):
funerals during between twenty twenty and twenty twenty three of
young folks killed by community violence. We still work with
these families today, so it is very real and as
a mom, it's very real the fear of violence anywhere
but for us and for me specifically, And I've me

(01:06:47):
and Treyon have had this conversation before, and Treyon has
said on the DAIS before his understanding of the role
of prevention being far more important than reaction, actionary and
punitive measures when it comes to making communities more safe
and reducing violent crime. I think there's also just like, yeah,

(01:07:10):
it's a misunderstanding of what the National Guard can do
and can't do. It's also conceding that we need the
federal government to run d C, which is which is
a problematic in itself.

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
But I think that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:28):
You know, Tryon does care. But I would say that, yeah,
it's it's incredibly disappointing that you think that you need
to police your people when the programs we fought for,
like violence interruption, that we know are our mayor sabotage
not to work so that we could be in this position,
and you know it was been. It was monetarily beneficial

(01:07:50):
for the city to be in a high crime and
a high crime time because what it did is secure
more funds for our local police apartment, which people like
to say it was defunded. It was never defunded. They
just chose not to take the mayor's proposed budget and uh,
you know, to to to get more federal funding to

(01:08:14):
ramp up recruitment for MPD. So these things are not
actually answers to what is actually happening. These things are again, yes,
Chayan has people. We have people on our in our meetings,
on a street every day asking for more to address crime.

(01:08:35):
But all of the things that they are doing are
geared to make people feel safer. They feel safer when
they see more police and troops, but they're not reducing crime.
So what we want is to actually be safer. That
means our neighborhoods are safer. It's not just that crime.
We know crime is cyclical, there's always ups, there's always down.

(01:08:55):
What we want is a fundamental change in the culture
of our community around violence and violence of all kinds.
You can't just focus on gun violence or violence in
the streets, because violence is in itself happens that happens
in our schools, that happens in our communities of worship,
it happens anywhere where there are people are at work.

(01:09:15):
So if we're not changing the culture of violence, and
all we're doing is putting in these things that somehow
are a psychological pacification of what the harder work is
around violence, we're just going to see that in another
two to three years. And we say this every two
to three years, that it's just going to shoot up
again and then there'll be another crime, be a crime emergency.

(01:09:37):
And he should know this because he is the one
who is consistently calling a crime emergency every three years.
Because we know that violence is cyclical. We know how
violence works when there are beefs in different neighborhoods. We
know that ninety percent of violence actually happens between people
who know each other. And so what we're talking about
is a culturealship. And Chayan has seen that, and I

(01:10:00):
think that it's not okay, and we need to be
able to say that, like, our people are not enemy
combatants that need occupation by federal forces to keep each
other safe. And I think that it is the community's
responsibility also to build the muscle to be able to
create safety, and that means to protect ourselves both from

(01:10:23):
outside threats as well as inside threats to each other.
Like that is the community's accountability, right And when we
look at the things that actually make us safe, and
we'll say it forever, housing youth program, violence interruption, health
people say that those are excuses if we talk about
the trauma that people who who perpetuate violence. Health people
say that those are excuses, and I reject that, and

(01:10:46):
I say that these are explanations because if we need,
we need to be able to look at the explanations
the root causes to actually fix this in a way
that's generational, sustainable, transparent, and permanent. And so the role
the National Guard is going to leave. And what we

(01:11:06):
will find is in seven to ten years, when these
young kids who see this takeover.

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
Start talking about this time, we will see that this will.

Speaker 14 (01:11:17):
Be another representation of violence in their story that they
tell future generations about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
All right, twenty eight after top they have April Goggins
is our guest the family. She's from Black Lives Matter DC.
She's talking about the federal takeover of troops in Washington,
d C. April are you Are you suggesting that this
is maybe a precursor to total takeover of the district
and they start first with the troops and say, our
people can't police themselves and the police department, Metropolitan Police

(01:11:43):
can't do it, so they're going to come in and
take over everything in the district. Is that what you're implying?

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:11:50):
I think when we look at this is not the
first right. This is the first that's been used in
a census. Administration started in a kind of law enforcement way.
But you know, DC is not a state. So you know,
since nineteen seventy three when we got the Home Act,
that was the Home Rule Act, you know, that gave us,

(01:12:12):
you know, the right to have a mayor and local
control over most of our government functions. But Congress still
holds the ultimate power of the district right, and it
can override our laws directly intervened, which it did in
the first part of this administration, overturning our laws, those
that were both fought for by the residents and those

(01:12:33):
voted unanimously by our city council. They have often held
our budget. They have to do they they have the
final decision on our local budget. And what you've seen
in the especially the Oversight Committee in the House, is

(01:12:55):
like an absolute fixation with taking.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
Over the district.

Speaker 14 (01:12:58):
It's both the fundamental misunderstanding of how any of this
works and also a deep need to control black folks.
And I'm just and there's no other way around that.
And so when you look at them doing this from
it a legislative a legislative act, a legislative kind of arm,

(01:13:21):
using that to police. Then you bring in the enforcement
and you know, once once they get their tentacles in
deeper and deeper, it's going to be much harder to
get them out, both physically legally because you have such
a You still, you know, they've they've been stacking the
courts for up ten fifteen years, you know, the NAACPLF

(01:13:45):
was telling us that for the last ten years. So
when you start looking at all of the places that
would make any kind of difference in preserving the home
rule of DC, those places are very slowly but simultaneously
all being kind of overtaken and occupied by the federal government.

(01:14:06):
So I do believe, and most of us believe that
that is the ultimate goal and they've said so in
as many in as many ways as possible. And I
think even where we are today, so many people and
I'll say even in DC, don't think that these things
are are possible, right, And I think part of that

(01:14:27):
is around some collective and political education we need to
do together around like what is possible when we're talking
about the state, when we're talking about the government, because otherwise,
you know when next month or the month after when
folks start losing their health benefits and food benefits and
you know, you already see what's going on with housing,

(01:14:49):
the fact that they're throwing away homes and throwing people
away that if we are not careful, and we don't
really we resist in ways that are strategic and sustainable. Yeah,
we're gonna not only I mean there's the government that
is already crumbling but will crumble, but we won't have

(01:15:11):
the systems in place in our communities for us to
be able to meet our most dire survival needs like
food and childcare, health that you know, health support, and
all of these things are not far away. Like he
just came into office in January and here we are

(01:15:33):
with what will what historically we've seen in some of
the first you know, steps in a fascist resipt, a
regime where people lose not only their their governmental autonomy,
but then start it starts trickling down to you know,
individual rights to survival.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
And I I.

Speaker 14 (01:15:58):
Hate to be like the you know, the conspiracy theorists,
or the or the most dark outlook on things, but
I think that we have to be real because being
real is the only way that we'll be able to resist,
to resist the kind of devastation that could result from this.

(01:16:18):
And and then I, you know, I'll take it one
step further and say, and you mentioned earlier that it's
not just DC.

Speaker 11 (01:16:23):
He's already mentioned other cities.

Speaker 14 (01:16:25):
And so I think we all, especially as black folks,
especially as black folks and black immigrants, black migrants, migrants
in general, have to really think about what does this
mean for the majority of this country, which.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Actually is us to right, April, we got a bunch
of folks got questions for you. It's twenty eight minutes
after the top of the Our Family. April, I guess
she's from Black Lives Matter Washington, d C, the DC champion.
She says that the govern is overeached you by placing
troops on the streets of Washington, d C. What are

(01:17:01):
your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. And I'm gonna call speak to April
Saiku is join us? He's online three grand rise and
say ku your question for April Goggins, John bo.

Speaker 15 (01:17:15):
Your guest's name, what's her name?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
April?

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
April?

Speaker 15 (01:17:19):
Miss April? What is the ideology of your organization?

Speaker 14 (01:17:26):
What do you mean ideology?

Speaker 15 (01:17:29):
You don't know what ideology means.

Speaker 6 (01:17:31):
It means what it means.

Speaker 15 (01:17:35):
It needs a collection of ideas and beliefs that you
live by or that your organization goes A boy, what
is your ideology? The reason I asked when Freddy Gray
was murdered here in twenty fifteen, a contingent of Black
Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter came to Baltimore and I
asked several numbers, what is the ideology of the organization? Say,

(01:17:58):
we don't have one?

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
Do y'all? Are one? We do?

Speaker 14 (01:18:02):
And I don't know which contingent with went there because
we were We worked with the local Baltimore organizations that
are already there and been organizing for for decades. But
I mean our our ideology speaking as our chapter is
that you know, we believe in the most uh, the

(01:18:24):
most impacted people leading uh.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
Leading in.

Speaker 14 (01:18:32):
Leading an organ I'm sorry, I'm a little thrown off
by by off the the ideology in Baltimore because I'm
trying to figure out who who who would have said that?
But anyway, so we're an abolitionist group, and we center
black people most at risk for state violence. So for us,
that's folks who've been involved in a criminal legal system.
That's elders, that's queer and trans folks, that's young folks.

Speaker 6 (01:18:56):
And we believe that.

Speaker 14 (01:18:59):
That the those people most at risk for state violence
that created that we're creating the conditions for black liberation
through the abolition of systems and institutions. And so we
do that through empowering the most of us, empowering the
most oppressed of us. We make sure that we don't
reinforce or legitimize systems of institutions or institutions that harm

(01:19:23):
black folks, including the police, prisons, mass incarceration, modern slavery.
Uh and and you know, a commitment to devests from
the people institutions and systems that harm us and invest
in the people and institutions and systems and other models
that support our liberation and empowerment. And we believe that
we do that through a diversity of tactics that promote

(01:19:46):
harm reduction, political education, and non cooperation as our strategic
our strategic visions.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
And so yeah, we.

Speaker 14 (01:19:58):
You know, for us, it's no different than what you
see in the black radical tradition, right. I think there's
a very deep understanding that we have to understand what
the systems are at play, that we have to understand
how white supremacy, capitalism, militarism, how those things uh deeply

(01:20:23):
impact both the US and deeply impact black folks and
both at the national and local and hyperlocal level, in
order to empower us to be able to build power,
and first we have to understand what power is so
that we build power as a community in a way

(01:20:45):
that allows us to eventually wield that power to demand
what we what we deserve and what is our right,
but also the power to build what we need and
who build what we need and find what it is
that that we need without relying on the state or

(01:21:08):
other entities to define.

Speaker 8 (01:21:10):
That for us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
All right, and hold up the right there, April, we
got to get checking with our latest news and weather
update for our different stations. It's twenty three minutes away
from the top of our family. Just checking in and
thank you for waking up with us this morning. Yes,
it is April Goggins from Black Lives Matter DC. She
says the streets that of Washington, d C shouldn't have
federal troops. It's an overreach by the president. What are
your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight hundred and

(01:21:32):
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls. After the news update, it's next
the most hang around Rising family. Thanks for rolling with

(01:22:04):
us on this Monday morning. Thanks for stalling your week
with us too. After the top day, I'm am with Taylor.
We're speaking with doctor Kurengo. Right now we're on with
April Goggins. She's from Black Lives Matter d C. And
April long gets your chance to respond? What money Mike
just said his sisters should have a meeting discuss the
crime issue in our communities.

Speaker 8 (01:22:21):
Your thoughts right, yep?

Speaker 6 (01:22:23):
Thank you well.

Speaker 14 (01:22:24):
First, I want to say that b LMBC wouldn't be
the group to ask for this first because there are
already a whole lot of seasoned organizers in Maryland that
are already doing this work. And so our role would
be the support and amplify any kind of efforts that
that they were doing that are aligned with our with

(01:22:44):
our politics. But you know, I think it's important to
know that these governments already do this. Maryland has had
countless taskforce commissions, working groups made up of police, courts,
government officials, and like every time, the outcome has been
and this is every state, it's not just Maryland, but
every every time, the outcome has always been more police,
harsher sentences, surveillance, and then the root cause of the violence.

(01:23:08):
They just remain untouched. You know, crime prevention task forces,
I would say, in the past years pushed together sentencing
or push tough tough per sentencing and police over time,
but it didn't do anything for violence or or poverty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
And right there, April, because doctor krank is on deck
and we're going to continue to discussion about that with
doctor Kurringer. But let's say one more call for you,
that's a brother callis is in Waldof and you guys
shorten up their answers and questions and answers and respons
that appreciate it. Brother Calls is online for us from
Walden has a question for your brother calls. Your question
for April is brother calls say on life for I'm

(01:23:48):
not hearing brother Calls. All right, April. Uh, you know
we're gonna move on for after the top of the hour, April.
So what's the next move for Black Lives Matter? Because
obviously this there is crime in our communities. As you
know that there's crime there, are you advocating or do
you think that we should create our own uh you know,
not a powermilty, but at least some sort of security

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force in our neighborhoods.

Speaker 14 (01:24:13):
Absolutely, I think that is our duty and our responsibility
to be that for the people who can. Everybody can't
do that, and everybody shouldn't do that. But I do
believe that we are responsible for the safety of our
community as well, So I do I do agree.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
With with that.

Speaker 14 (01:24:28):
I think we have some great historical as well as
current day examples of that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
So yeah, absolutely, all right, thank you, April, and keep
seeing the loop. Let's know what you guys should do
and if you're going to take any further action or
just it's just a statement that you're opposed to the
federal troops on the streets of Washington, DC, or you're
going to do something more. Let us know. Thank you
for your call this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
That's April Goggins from Black Lives Matter DC. We turn
our attention to our next guest, dotsor Milana Karreinga. Let
me just say this because mont you just think that
Danta Krank just you know, it's the visionary of the
created quantity. But he's more than that right now. He's
the professor and chair of the Department of African Studies
at cal State University of cal State Long Beach. He's
also a chair of US and the National Association of
COEDA Organizations. Is also the executive director of the African

(01:25:12):
American Cultural Center and COEDA Institute of Pan African Studies.
Doctor Karrenga is currently the co chair of the Black
Community Clergy and Labor Alliance. He's also the author of
numerous scholarly articles and books, including Kawaida and Questions of
Life and Struggle, Maat the Moral Ideal in Ancient Egypt,
a study of Classical African ethics. Selections from the Whosia,

(01:25:32):
a Sacred Wisdom of Ancient Egypt, Introduction to Black Studies,
the fourth edition oud Fea The Ethical Teachings. Doctor Kurenga
is the creator of most of who know of the
Pan African culture, Honiday Kwanza and then Unguzu Saba. Those
are the seven principles and he's also author of the
authoritative text title Kwanza Celebration of Family, Community and Culture.
Is also the subject of a book by doctor Malefia

(01:25:54):
Sante the title Milana Kurenga and Intellectual Portrait and currently
writing the book on the Liberation Ethics of Mane Welcome
ex Critical Consciousness, Moral Groundings and Transformative Struggle. Doctor H.
Krenger also co wrote the Million Man March and Manifesto
and so he's part of that. So he's here this morning.
So doctor Krenger, Grand Rising, welcome to the program. Barri Ghani, Sir, buddy, Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
Grand Rising, could you hear your voice? Carl, thanks so
much again for the invitation and the opportunity to discuss
with you and the audience some of the critical issues
facing us as black people. And just to start out,
as I always do, just praise you for the work
you've done. Consistently and without compromise, and with a deep

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commitment to us are people and the world. You know,
it's very important, and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I thank you for those kind of words, doctr Krank.
Before we get into the policing on the streets of
our cities. The Watch revolt. First of all, you use
the term revolt if the mainstream media used call it
the WATS riots in nineteen sixty five, that was sixty
years ago. It was on the atlanth of August he started.
But you call it the watchs revolt and not the

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Watch riots. That's the first thing. And what we're reflect
on what happened back in nineteen sixty five. Have you
seen any progress?

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
Teble Appreciating what you've said, I find saying correctly. I
think it's so important for us when we talk about
the Watch revote or the August revolt or the La revolt,
that we call it a revolt.

Speaker 7 (01:27:38):
Rather than a riot.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
Right, is the definition of the dominant society, and it
suggests a mob action without any cheers political aim. But
as you know, a revolt is a collective act of
a people with definite political ghosts. And the revote and
Wats had three as we discussed and talk about in

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terms of black power, self determination, self respect, and self defense.
The self determination was the control.

Speaker 16 (01:28:10):
Of the space they occupied to not let the police,
the merchants, and general racist suppressions undermine their capacity to
make and participate in decisions that affected their deathined daily life.

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
And one of the main problems was, of course, the police.
The revote happened as a result of three fundamental immediate causes,
one and ongoing one police brutality. We called it then go,
we call it police violence now. But if police brutality,
almost every vote you read about is triggered by that.

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The brutality of the police, the violence, the patterns and
practice of vicious violence against black people, racist violent, a
depraved disregard for black and human life.

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
Right, that's the first.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
Second merchant exploitation, Right, you look at that, You look
at it in the sixty you look at it now.
It's a problem with the merchants, right, who don't live
in the community, don't have the interests in the community,
come in just to extract profit and then to go.
And sometimes, as you know, in the past, they have

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not treated us in dignity affirming and rightful ways. And
we resist that as a matter of self respect. We
have to resist. That's how you, Malcolm said. If you
let people do anything go you and you don't do
what even a plan does, responds to abuse, right, then

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people don't have the respect for you that they should
have for you a matter of self respect. We not
only resisted, but we reaffirmed our right to define our reality.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
We have the right to speak to our own cult
from our own culture. Advantage point. One of the greatest powers,
as I've said so many times, one of the greatest
powers in the world, is a power to define reality
and make others accept it, even when it's to the
disadvantage and contributes to their oppression. And the European had

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this advantage on us. They would tell us what was
right and want what was a right and what was
a revote right. They would tell us what was just
and unjust. But they are the criminals. The oppressor is
a criminal. And our pressor cannot be our teacher, cannot
tell us who we are and what we should be about.
And so we have to define our own identity, our

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own purpose, and our own direction. And then, of course
it was the ongoing problem of racism, and as I said,
racism must be understood not as simply an attitude, but
being able to turn that attitude of hatred and hostility
into public policy and socially sanctioned practice. Right in his imposition,

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ideology and institutional arrangement. It is first of all, an
act of force and violence. That's what racism ist. It
is first defined by the capacity to impose violence and
usually under the color and camouflage of law. Second, racism

(01:31:38):
involves ideology, academic and ordinary street ideology of why they're
killing us, why they're incarcerating us, why they are assassinating us,
why they're denying us equality, denying us freedom and justice.
Toy got the ideology from it, you know it can be.

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First of all, they started with religious that God gave
them the right to rule, turning God into a real
estate agent talking about it, God promised them to land.
We've heard that conversation all over the world, right. The
reality is, you wouldn't have to kill be intigenous popular
relation if you were given that. Certainly God would have
made arrangements with them since he put him there first.

(01:32:23):
If you're going to go by this same narrative, this
religious narrative, but the reality is that people conquered this
land and they killed. This is one of the greatest
holocausts in human history, and it's certainly more than six million.
When Europeans came here. In the US, there were at
least sixteen million people by conservative count, sixteen million Native

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Americans and by eighteen hundred that was five hundred thousand. Hey,
fourteen million people killed, destroy their history. We will never
know their songs, we will never hear their voices. We
would never be able to appreciate in this ongoing conversation
about what it means to be human and good and

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relate rightfully to the world because the European colonizes settlers
had the capacity to destroy them and didn't have the
moral restraint not to. And that's what we're going through
the day, as you know, both in this country and.

Speaker 9 (01:33:24):
Abroad in some very serious ways.

Speaker 6 (01:33:26):
So this racism is a problem. And then finally, of course,
this institutional arrangement, right, so the imposition couldn't last, The
ideology couldn't be spread if it did not have institutional
backing and grounding. And those institutions were with the church,
right with the schools, with the media. Every way you turned,

(01:33:48):
there was a structure to enforce this hatred and hostility,
this imposition and this ideology. The courts also right, and
so I think it's very important for us to see that.
So we're still going through this struggle, right, the struggle
to end racism, which is another form of white supremacy,

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the will of white people to rule and ruin our lives,
to turn us as they did in the Holocaust, of
enslavement to objects of labor, sex, and entertainment. This objectification
has not stopped. So that's what we were struggling against
in the sixties, and that's what we continue to struggle against.

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And that's why we say continue to struggle, keep the
faith and hold the line by ever going.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Forward fourteen half the top down family, Doctor Milana Krangers.
I guess right now, doctor Krenga, the Watch Uprising, the
Watch Revolt. Anything positive come out of that, Oh, a
lot of things come out that.

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
The first thing I want to say what doctor King said.
Doctor King said about the you know, we're talking about
the Black freedom movement or the Black freedom struggle, and
there's two movements inside that Black freedom struggle. Weren't the
civil rights movement which people now have for the whole
freedom struggle, and then the Black Power movement, which was

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the second, then the Black freedom movement. In the civil
rights train, doctor King said that even if we did
not gain anything else except a renewed sense of our
own dignity and our ability to stand out so that
people could not ride our back, because if you're not

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bent over, they can't ride your back, that was beautiful.
Hiji Malcolm said the same thing and said that struggle
put a board in our back, right if we didn't
have anything else to escape the psychological change of enslavement.
This is uh and doctors name Boy wrote a book

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on the psychological change that we have to break no
in Frederick Douglas talked about breaking the change rather than
hugging them. It's so important. So that's why we say
in US, in the organization US, we say the first
and foremost battle we wage that leads to all other

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battles is a battle to win the hearts and minds
of our people. Let until we break the monopoly that
the press has on so many of our mind liberations
is not only impossible, it's unthinkable. Because what you can't conceive,
you can't achieve. And so what we have here is
the need to remember that out of that struggle, above

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everything came the struggle to free ourselves and to be ourselves.
And this being of ourselves was fundamental to our free
and ourselfs because if you don't be yourself, you can't
free yourself. And if you can't free yourself fully, you'll
never be yourself fully.

Speaker 7 (01:37:06):
So that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
So that's the first thing, Eddie right, and hold that
thought right there, Doctor Keranger. We're gonna step aside for
a few moments. I'll let you finish your thot when
we come back. And got some folks who already want
to have questions for you. Seventeen minutes off the top
of our family. Call up a couple of friends and
telling the doctor Krenger's on the radio, tell them to
tune in. They'll they'll thank you later eight hundred and
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I said,
I'm gonna call it. You'd like to speak to him,

(01:37:28):
we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 8 (01:37:31):

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us,
and I guess dots to Milana Karengas if some of you,
just as a creative visionary created quantity was much more
than that. Reflecting on the Watts uprising sixty five years ago,
the Watch revolt, if you will, and ended up right
now sixty years ago, there were federal troops on this
on the streets of Los Angeles, and the troops right

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now on the streets of Washington, DC. And Donald Trump
is starting to put them on the streets of Chicago,
LA and New York as well. We're going to get
into that. But doctor Crane, I'll let you finish your thought.
He was tell us about, uh, the positive things that
came out of the sixty five revolts.

Speaker 6 (01:38:29):
So just as a recap, I just want to reaffirm that,
you know, doctor King, doctor Haigi, Malcolm Not of France
and known all talked about the psychological gains, the sense
of an expanded humanity that we get and resistance. You know,
I have said this before, so co the contention that

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in the pathology of oppression, the most reliablemedy is resistance.
That they there is no no struggle, I mean, no
strategy worthy of its name that does not prioritize and
privileged struggle, and that there's no way forward out of

(01:39:13):
this mess that these people have put us in, except
across the batter field for a new and more beautiful
world of inclusive and shared goods.

Speaker 7 (01:39:28):
So none of that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
France and nan of Malcolm nine a mother Gaing taught
us that the struggle for freedom and justice is a
benefit and good in itself. I said, a benefit and
good in itself. Or it is liberating and uplifting in
a way that Naneaon says can own it. He's a psychiatrist,
so he understands these dynamics in a way or that

(01:39:53):
many might not right, and that he says that you
know with this, this, this sense of liberation and upliftment
can only come from self conscious struggle to end the
conditions of our present. And again, doctor King of Search,
and I quote him here, the greatest victure of this period,

(01:40:13):
he calls it, the greatest victure of this period was
black people's internal transformation quote for we armed ourselves with
dignity and self respect, and we straighten up our backs
unquote and refuse to let others ride us. And Haiji
Malcolm taught a similar thing. He taught the search of agency,

(01:40:37):
I will and choice to act in the interests of
good in the world. He taught our agents in struggle,
I come into the consciousness as a people, and he
said that this created a new sense of self which
would indeed quote turn us around, change our minds, put
a board in our back, and make us throw our

(01:40:58):
shoulders back and stand upright like men and women in
the world unquote. So again that's one of the most
important in the first lesson. We learned from that another
lesson and we learned from that from the watchtreet rote.
And another benefit from it is that we do the

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struggle open up critical pass and important space for several
interrelated demands and gains organized around both suppressing and often
police practices, but also building institutions. So this struggle actually
was a demand to alter police practices. Ufore time we

(01:41:43):
had that right, and we engaged in on our own
increase on the street, monitoring the police through what we
call the Community Alert Patrol. A year before the Panthers
put their people in the street, we had the Community
Alert Patrol and we monitored the police. We drove around,

(01:42:03):
monitor took pictures of them, read the people their rights,
got pro bono lawyers for them in community and courts
against police violence and in the defense of our people.
We developed an expanded employment and economic initiative. We increased
youth program. We had an extensive thrust of organizing an

(01:42:24):
institutional building yielding new organizations and the institutions like the
African American Cultures and US our organization, the Black Congress,
the Black United Front that serves as a model Census
sixers for other ones, the Brotherhood Crusade, you know, the
Kedrin Community Health Center, Quins in Guzo Shaba, my Fundi Institute,

(01:42:47):
planned Ujima Vilis, What's Happening coffee House, the Watch Summer Festival,
the Watch Health Foundation, and the King Drew Hospital and
Medical School all came out of that struggle, and that
demands that we have something as a result of this
struggle and as our right to live a good and

(01:43:10):
meaningful life right and to enjoy the fruits of our labor.
We build this country. You know, the guy could be
talking wild about what he did and all that bringing
back Confederate's statue. We built the country. The white men
in the South, the Confederates that Trump is trying to
bring back with statues and practices, they're the ones who
rebelled against the country. They want to kill the country.

(01:43:32):
They killed more Americans than anybody else. Can you imagine that?
And yet they are rehabilitated, and they got a spokesperson
in the White House now, and that's white people. They
got to come to terms with that. That's something in
them that wanted them to have Trump, so they got them.
So they can't moan and grow now about putting him

(01:43:54):
in there. But that's what people can take their mind. Okay,
I don't want to be too harsh right and there mine,
but just think about that. We couldn't we could have
been behind it. But there is this creed of racism
that's difficult for white people to get out. It's just
like talking about Ukraine and and Ukraine can't be compared

(01:44:16):
to the genocide in Palestine. But we hear this crane.
We never we don't hear the same and Gaza, I
mean this killing babies. There is a killing babies right,
chillsen people going for food shot down. So what we
have done by our struggle call and Arnor, we have

(01:44:36):
served as a moral and social vanguard in this country
and the world, waging struggles that not only benefit us
but expand the ram of freedom and justice and good
in the world. And that's I think. The last thing
I want to say about came out of the revote
is that it was a critical in continuing legacy, lesson

(01:44:58):
in legacy of our long history of revote and resistance.
And we understand this as a vital need of sinil,
righteous and relentless struggle, and that we must have the
unbreakable wheel the ways that struggle until victory is won.

(01:45:19):
It's an understanding that reminds us that there's no easy
walk or way to freedom. That is Nana Herite Tubman
taught us quote freedom ain't bought with us unquote, and
that it doesn't come cheap or free, and it is
only achieved with costs and caziages and to suffering service
and sycrifice. And in this long difficult dangers, in demanding struggle,

(01:45:44):
Nana Amica Cabra teaches us and reminds us that we
must mask no difficulty, tell no lives, and claim no
easy virtuous and this too, not a mar Mclavitune teaches
us that we must see ourselves in fancy if way,
concerned with the well being of the world and all
in it, and we must actively embrace the moral imperatue

(01:46:08):
that she said our quote. Our task is to remake
the world. It is nothing more. It is nothing less
than this. I said more, but I meant less. There
is nothing less than this.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
I think it's very important for us to see ourselves.
And this is when the great struggles we're having, as
you know, Carl, it's thinking outside the ghetto, thinking outside
the narrow world that the president has created for us.
So sometimes we can't link our struggles to other people's struggle. Well,

(01:46:45):
what is Malana talking about or doctor talking about? These
other people? What are they talking about, not just the Palestinians,
but Africans on the continent or the Caribbean Africans. Why
should we be concerned with them? Because they are people?
And even if they weren't, they're human being. How can
we claim in humanity just for ourselves and not for others.

Speaker 11 (01:47:08):
We're the people.

Speaker 6 (01:47:09):
I know there are other religious narratives about this, but
the historical fact bear me out. We're the people who
stood up, first spoke the first human truth, taught the
world was good and beautiful. First, we introduced the concept
of a human being being in the image of God.

(01:47:29):
I mean we did this as early four thousand years
ago forty BCE.

Speaker 17 (01:47:34):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:47:35):
We also introduced the concept four thousand years ago of dignity,
inherent dignity, that all humans, all humans. There was no
racial talk then it was all humans or guess what
bearers of dignity and dignity is inherent wordliness. In the
ancient committed Lamage, Medianism is called shippesu, and that dignity

(01:48:00):
was demonstrated and ugured for a nameless prisoner. In the
Book of Jetti and Jeddi tells Pharaoh Kufu he cannot
kill or experiment even on a nameless prison for that
nameless prisoner is on the same level with him, a
no way image of God and that nobility. That inherent

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worthiness has three characteristics. First, it is transcended of all
social and biological categories race, class, gender, sexuality, age, religion,
et cetera. Second, is equal in all there's no hierarchy.
Nobody is superior, no chosen over anybody else, no elite,

(01:48:44):
no elect and all that right everybody. As the teachers
and sacred texts of our ancient ancestors teachers, let's do
things with joy for surely we all are divine, all
humans are divinely chosen to bring good into the world.
And we and us say that's a fundamental mission and
meaning of human light to bring good into the world

(01:49:06):
and not let any good bel all. And the third
characteristic of dignity, after being transcendent and equal, it's inalienable.
Nobody can take it from us. They can't deny its reality,
even if they talk falsely about it. They cannot extract

(01:49:27):
it from it. And we can't give it away now
the King of Queen, Congress, Parliament can deny our dignity
in reality. That is the argument we make against them,
that we have this idea at the heart of all
human rights argument is this concept of dignity and inherent

(01:49:49):
worthiness that is transcendent, that is equal in all, and
that is inalienable. In fact, Old Jefferson appeal to it
when he said of people in out with the Creator right.
We have an earlier text, of course, that where the
Creator gave us a brother's life, so that every person

(01:50:09):
and could have a life and a good life, and
his or her own time and place, regardless of the time,
regardless of the place, everyone had the right to a
good life, not just a life, but a good life
and a meaningful life. That's our sacred text, teachers. So

(01:50:31):
the poor doesn't always have to be with us, the
boys with us, because the rich or skimming and killing
and monopolizing wealth them peerless. The colonists, the captives, you
give them any name you want, but they are predators
on the world and that has to stop. And they
can only be stopped in righteous and relentless struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
All right, twenty seven away from the top of our family,
the voice you hearing it starts to Milana Krenga that
many of you know they created quantity, but there's much
more than Quanta tod Ta Kranga sixty years ago. On
the streets of Los Angeles or federal troops are marching
around all across the south central Now in Washington, d C.
As we speak this morning, we've got troops on the
streets of the nation's capital. Your thoughts on that. How

(01:51:17):
should we as the people react, Because some people say
it's an ovary, some people say provocation, and some people
just don't know how to deal with Some people say, yeah,
we need them because it's criming our community. So how
do you see all of what's going down.

Speaker 6 (01:51:31):
I'm pretty seven what you said of understanding correctly, and
I'll get to the crime issue, but I just want
to say that it's interesting that one of the biggest
criminals in the world is talking about crime in the city.
Here's a criminal in the world, right, and the reality

(01:51:53):
is that it's to oppress it. That's a criminal. And
this is what Hawdr Malcolm said. It's a criminal society.
It's criminal and how is founded. It's criminals in the
Holocaust is created against the Native Americans, in the Holocaust
of enslavement, against us, in the dispossession of the Mexicans,

(01:52:13):
of the brutal labor suppression of the Asian. Now maybe
we could go on. I mean, this is that's why
they don't want to hear critical theory. They want to
add a racial conversation because they want to get past
what they've done to the world. So I wanted to
do this in context. I want to let you know

(01:52:35):
this is not an isolated incident. This is America reaffirming
its white power thrust. It's white supremacist trust. We can
talk about Trump, but remember Q and gentile, suburbanite and
urban night right, poor and rich, right, what are the

(01:53:00):
male and female right, Jude, you name every category. White
people supported Trump and great numbers rescue him if I'm wrong.
So they chose him to do this, and they chose
him for their own reasons, right, But they chose him right,

(01:53:20):
And so what we have to do is see that
in contact. So now let's go to Trump himself, the
representative of those people, not us, right, So what is
he doing with this? First? It's a diversionary point, right.
I can start with the race, but I want to
show I want I want us to think about the world, right,

(01:53:40):
And if we think every we start every time just
thinking this is us. We don't see how complicated it is,
and we'll miss ways to find alliance with other people
who are angry about something. And maybe we can't work
with them on anything else, but we can work with
them on this. Right. I have to build a critical

(01:54:02):
force or social force, a multi racial force that counter
acts this turns around without in any way compromising our
own needs. And this is very important. You know, I'm
a nationalist, so I certainly am would garvey people first,
our people. We're first in ourself, not first against anybody,

(01:54:25):
but first in our own terms. See that's the difference
in our first and the white man's America first. He
really means white people first against all others. No, I mean,
I start with myself, but I never end with myself.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
I thought, right there, doctor Karenga, we gotta step aside
for a few on so I'll let you pick it
up when we get back family. Twenty three minutes away
from the top there, I guess he's starts to Milana
Karenga and discussing the fact that the federal troops on
streets of Washington, d C. Sixty years ago. The troops
are patrolling watts and filing to watch Revolt. What are
your thoughts on what's going on? Reach out so as

(01:55:00):
you'd like to speak to doctor Krenger that eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, you don't
take your phone calls next.

Speaker 8 (01:55:10):

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for sticking with us on
this Monday morning, and thanks for starting your week with us.
At nineteen minutes away from the top of there, I
guess the doctor Karenga, you'd like to speak to doctor Karenger,
reach out to US at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six. Before we do that there,
let me just remind you. Coming up later this week,
you're going to hear from the former FBI agent, Doctor
Tyrone Powers will be with US Public Enemies Minister of

(01:55:54):
Information Professor Griffel join us. Also the founder of the
Black Lawyers for Justice Turning, Malik Shabaz will be here,
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(01:56:14):
finish your thought.

Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
Yes. So the first reason I said, thanks Carl, first
reason I said is that it's diversionary, you know, immediate
receptive diversion, right, And he's good at that, but everyone
does that when they're in trouble. So the first thing
he's diverted in from is the Epstein thing. He used
it to whip the Democrat, the soap conspiracy theory. Now

(01:56:38):
the chicken's coming home, right, and they've come to haunt him. Also,
it's a diversion from the magna disaffection around that. They
take that seriously. They once there is that talent to
our thoughts and stuff, they right in there, they will
give that up right. And then also it's a diversion
from the deteriorating economy and quality of life. He promised

(01:57:01):
he's going to make the best life, but he's only
made it for himself. So it's also a diversion from
the keptomania that he's getting theft at the highest level,
at the lord's level. I started saying the highest level,
the lord's level. You've ever seen thept of wealth with
an obsessive and insatiable design practice right recepto maining. He's stealing,

(01:57:24):
he's taken from the people. He's using the office to
amass wealth for himself and his family. And he's divert
that by calling everybody the criminal except himself. And of
course one of the main things he's trying to divert
away from is being conflicted in Israel's genocide against the
Palestinian people. America is complicit is it couldn't last a

(01:57:48):
week without America's support, and they know that, we know
that and that's why these raisers keep asking Trump to
intervene and stop, not to save the Palestinian but to
get their people right, right, Just think about that, that
you can want a water stop, not to stop genocide,
but to get your people out, compared to the millions

(01:58:10):
that are being you know, threatened by this with four
starvations to each you used as a weapon. The second
thing which everybody waits for, I mean when you're talking
in black circle, is that it's racist. It's not only diversionary, right,
it's racist. It's against black people, clearly about black people.
The names and cities with large black population and with

(01:58:34):
black mayors right to focus on those la Chicago, New York,
Baltimore and Oakland. They're singled out right. And you know
what's so contradictory about it, as everyone has shown, the
figures don't show what he's arguing. In fact, there's been
alluring of the crime rate in there.

Speaker 10 (01:58:53):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:58:54):
And so he's returning as he's talking about this, he's
returning to criminal statues of criminals who rebelled against the
United States and killed hundreds of thousands of US citizens,
right and haven't given up yet. Right, How does he
justify that he brings them in the presence in the

(01:59:16):
in the in the Capitol and in Washington and remove
black at the same time. Black can only be present
and if they are self degrading, dignity denying and servile servants,
uh and objects of Trump's deformed wills and way of life.

(01:59:39):
And I want to just praise the mayors Mayor of
Karen Bass, especially in Mayor Brandon and Scott of crem
bassat l A and Mayor Brandon, Scott Baltimore and all
the other mayors that came black mass of king and
pushed back Barbeli in the Oakland Court, and and and

(01:59:59):
and they reaffirmed that crime is down in the city,
but they realized, as I said earlier, that crime is
up in the White House, right, and it's up in
d C. Where he lives, wherever his corrupt, muddle and
mean spirited minds exam Right, he's the real criminal, right,

(02:00:21):
so he needs to look in the mirror. It's also
part of a white desire and design to return from
the declining refugees they had in the suburbs and to
retake centrifive and ensure white control of the cities. Right,

(02:00:45):
they've been doing that on a perpetual basis. And so
what he does then is give the basis for it,
take him over one by one, make him like they're
a big problem, and suppress people. It's also you know,
racist and that it criminalizes it racializes crime and criminalizes race.

(02:01:08):
So listen to the race. If you can racialize crime,
make it black and make black people. Like you were
saying about some people say, you know the crime. Of
course everybody needs to be against crime, right, but let
me ask you this. Let's make a distinction between crime
under the camouflage and color of law, which is what

(02:01:29):
racism is. It's a crime, is a crime against us
and humanity, right, and all of you and resolutions say that,
you know, a potid whether in South Africa or Israel
or apartheid in here, is a crime against humanity. And
so I want us to talk about the personal crime
because we feel it every day, but don't forget it

(02:01:51):
takes place in a context. Where as Haiji Malcolm said,
the government is often incohoop with the criminal on the
drug deals on who gets a pass and who doesn't
get a pass, and sometimes they leave things in place
so they can come in and continue to do with

(02:02:12):
the Israelis called when they go and kill the Palestinian
mode lawn periodically, that's what they do more the law
periodically in the black community. But I think it's very
important for us to see that this is also another
chance to increase incarcerration, which is part of his original

(02:02:33):
plan to increase coarseration, to criminalize crime. I mean to
racialize crime, make it black. Black be the post charge
on the major crimes. Right. And then once you racialize crime,
you can criminalize the whole race. So it's not just
criminals among blacks, it's blacks as criminals themselves. This only

(02:02:57):
happens with us, even though you know, the biggest mafias
are in the white communities. Whether we talk about the
Italian MafA, the Jewish mafia, the Russian MafA. You just
go on all it's a lot of mafias, right, but
nobody says, you know, y'all got to get yourself together.
Italian y'all got to get yourself together. Jews, you got
to get yourself together. Russians you got no. They call

(02:03:20):
that a national problem, but they call our problem a
racial problem. Actually, crime is an American problem because the
people that commit the crimes are acting as American They're
not acting as Black people. Better not say, look, I'm
a black person. I'm committing crime because I'm a black person. Right,
I'm doing this in the name of black people. Right,

(02:03:42):
They're doing it in the name of American values. You
take what you want, you use violence American features. That
that's one of the lessons of non doctor Martin Luther
King's Vietnam speech, right, is that America is the greatest
pray of violence, and it models vice for everybody else.
And he said he can't talk to other people about

(02:04:04):
the revote and violence there until he deals with the
question of what America's violence. And it's violence not just
against the people overseas, it's violence against us. From the
very beginning, our nation was born struggling against violence, I
mean our Black nation. We had to create a nation.
Car as you know, out of the many nations, the

(02:04:25):
many African nations and ethnic groups that came here, we
formed one nation, and we formed it in struggle against
what the holocaust of enslavement and the savage of segregees.
And we're still farming it with some regard actions from
people who don't want to see us as one who
got fifty different other adentities for themselves besides black, until

(02:04:48):
the white man crushes them and then they come home
crying and asking for support from the black community. Right,
just think about that. So I just want you to
see that it is racist. The fourth thing that it
is is a test upon me. The third thing it
is is an act of fascism. Right now, what okay?

(02:05:14):
So this is an act of fascism. And if you notice,
one of the things that fascism does is that it
always uses the military, right, So what happens with King,
with King, what's happens with Trump is that Trump tracks
out the military, right, and he as a fastest The

(02:05:40):
first thing they try to do is take power over
the military and the police, because what they're going to
do is establish it a regime of suppression and surveillance.
And those are the people that do it best. Suppression
and surveillance comes from those people who have violence in

(02:06:01):
their hand, who have the capacity to kill, the main
to cripple under the color and camouflage of love.

Speaker 4 (02:06:09):
And so he.

Speaker 6 (02:06:12):
Pushes that and he gets people used to that, and
people see it as normal and see it as to
their vantage. So the black person that says, oh, yeah,
we need them here because you know there is crime.
Know what they need is protection from crime. That's not

(02:06:32):
the solution. The solution is community policing, right that the
people participate in their own public and community safety. That's
always the best. Right. We've got to imagine new ways
of doing public safety, community safety. And if you listen

(02:06:56):
to Mayor Brandon Scott, he has a lot of programs.
I mean I was very impressive with them on TV
about how he took money and use it. The major,
you know, the major problem of this is young people
not having a life of head of them or conditions

(02:07:18):
of life that gives them a sense number one of
relatedness to other black people. Right, because people who commit
crimes use a committement in their own community. Everybody does
that to my pious start, I tell you, Mapias started,
you know, doing protection rackets and stuff in their own community.

(02:07:38):
Everybody does. And you don't go and start doing that
for another community. Because crime is crimes of opportunity most
often unless you're crazy, of course. So the reality is
that you have the brother not being able to think,
ask what the newspaper tell them, and remember what I
said earlier, one of the greatest powers in the country

(02:08:03):
is a power to define reality and to make others accepted,
even when it's to their disadvantage and contributes to the oppression.
So yes, we need to not let the oppressor define
the problem. The problem is them. The problem is the
system of injustice, the system of racism. The problem is

(02:08:27):
the police depraved disregard for black life. The problem is
oppression that destroys young people's hope for a better life
and makes them become some of them become betters on
their own people. That's a big problem, right, And guess what,

(02:08:47):
they will not be solved by the military. The military
is supposed to be fighting to protect the country, right
from outside enemies. The moment you see a military in
the street, you know that's an authoritarian and digitory culture.
And that's what he's creating.

Speaker 4 (02:09:08):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:09:08):
And then also look how in terms of this fascism,
his suppression of free speech and free assembly. Look at
how he's attacked the press and forced them to concede
and do what he asked them. And the universe is
bowing and scraping and sacrificing the students and the faculty

(02:09:29):
and the staff. Just think about that. Who would have
thought that would happen? America used to brag about it.
Now people leaving America going to other countries. China got
a big door open now for scientists and people with
special skill. So has you set up a certain department

(02:09:50):
the European Union to receive the people of Americans kicking
out and taking grants from where they're doing important scientific research,
especially in meta. To think of all the people who
die as a result of all this stuff he's doing,
and think about the young students right now. I think
it's very important for us to say this. First, of

(02:10:10):
course the Arab and pestif but the Muslim for me,
the Palestinian Muslim and Arab of people that are suffering
from this first, they have the front line first, right,
But also the Jewish students who are out there don't
want Israel to be served as no idol for them
or to serve as the essence of Judaism. That their

(02:10:33):
Judaism at his best is similar to the best human
thinking and morality, right, all of us, all of us
in the world that thinks morally thinks first that you
can measure the more quality of any society or act
by how it treats the most vulnerable among us. And

(02:10:53):
therefore we're the ones who said first we were judge
the society a boy, how he treats his most vulnerable. Therefore,
give food to the hungry, water to the thirsty, close
to the naked, and a boat to those out. One
to be a father for the other, often a mother
for the dimit, a caretaker for the ill, a liberator

(02:11:15):
for their press, a wrap for the drowning, and a
ladder for those trapped in the pit of despair. Pease,
we taught that early, right. It's not like we had
to go to Europe to come go to goold right.
So I'm saying we can't forget that. We can't forget
our rowing. That's what I wanted to end wed He said,
what does it say to us, these people in the street.

(02:11:38):
It tells us that the struggle continues, that we must
in fact increase the struggle. Continue to increase the struggle,
keep the faith, hold the line right, That's what it
tells us. It tells us to practice and who's a sovereignty,
To love and respect our people in each other, to

(02:11:58):
seek and speak truth, to do and demand justice, to
right hold that though.

Speaker 2 (02:12:02):
Right there, Doctor k I'm gonna step aside for a
few moments. I two away from the top of the
our family, Doctor kerengi's our guess you'd like to speak
to him eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. We'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 8 (02:12:20):
You're fucking with the Most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most submiss.

Speaker 2 (02:12:31):
Rock and Grand Rising Family. In fact, you're rolling with

(02:12:52):
us this morning, and I guess Doctor Milana Karrenga. Dr Kringe,
of course, created a visionary that created Kwanta, discussing how
the troops on the streets of America's cities, starting with Washington, DC.
Sixty years ago, they were patrolling the streets of Watts
in southern California. That was the Wats Uprising. But right
now we don't see the uprising that you can use

(02:13:12):
as an excuse. So doctor karrang, why let you finish
your thought, then we'll take some calls for you. Folks.
Got questions for you about how should we respond to
seeing troops in our cities?

Speaker 6 (02:13:21):
Yeah, well, appreciate what are you said? If I'm saying correctly.
I think we have to build on the best programs
that are out there, the youth programmed, be more involved
with our children, and be more involved in the politics
of our city. We have to think into nationally, but
we have to build locally and nasally. And so what's

(02:13:44):
happening here and what I was saying is that we
have to engage in struggle. And you know, when I
say struggle or resistance, there are three aspects of resistance.
Jews of people think that resistance is just opposing, but
in order to really oppose, we also have to affirm

(02:14:05):
and the spine. But the whole thing about resistance as
any and all acts to deny, diminish and in the
dominance of our oppressure. Right, that's what resistance is, and
that for it is not only opposition through our oppressor

(02:14:25):
and oppression, but it is also affirmation of ourselves and
the good. And it is aspiration and active aspiration to
build a new world of inclusive and shared good, a
new world of African and human good and the well
being of the world and all in it. That's how

(02:14:46):
we have to think. But we have to start with
ourselves and yet not in there. That's a difficult thing
because when you're frightened and when things look like they're
directed against you, you have to take care of yourself else.
But you always know that even if you lock in
your house, and you've seen that happen with people wanted

(02:15:07):
to be revolutionary, locked yourself in the house, they surround you. Right,
You've got to break out of the house. You've got
to build a house. That's your first line of defense.
But you've got to have other defenses. And that means
that you struggle to expand your alliances, and you struggle
to make your community a self conscious community, and struggle.

(02:15:33):
One of the greatest aspects of leadership is to provide
programs and practices, views and values that not only helps
solve human problems, but transforms the people in the process,
making them self conscious agents of their own life and liberation.

(02:15:56):
So these programs for youth, these programs in education situation,
these programs in recreational situations, these programs that lead to
their appreciation of the knowledge and eagerness to learn that
they first had as young people. What was a lot
of times snuffed out in grade school by an uncaring

(02:16:21):
and rough teacher. And I'm not attacking all the teachers.
I'm just saying those who did that. You know, I
never I always not want not to generalize, but when
I say it, I'm talking about a specific problem. And
if everybody was like that, we really would be in trouble.
But there's always good teachers that help us. And I'm

(02:16:41):
a living witness of that. In the midst of all
the segregation, the savagery of segregation we suffered in the
city I grew up, not city, the town and country
I grew up in country, there were black teachers and
black neighbors that reinforce it's me and told me I
had something good to do and perhaps even great to do.

(02:17:05):
And it kept me going, you know it really because
they believed in me, because they assisted me, because they
taught me well, and they taught me not only have
to know about us right where we were in Maryland.
I'm from the eastern shore of Maryland with not a
Harry tell me and not a frigid deathly. We always
liked to stretch that. They told me that it's not
just Maryland, it's not just the US, it's the world

(02:17:29):
that we should be concerned with. They didn't put it
as beautifully as I learned Nana Mary Clavi done did
doctor Marrick Clavi doomb when she said, our task is
to remake the world. There's nothing less than this. Right.
That was a short one, but the long version.

Speaker 11 (02:17:47):
Of it they taught us.

Speaker 6 (02:17:49):
They taught us to look at the world and not
to be afraid of it, but to do good in
the world, to do good for the world. So I
remember that, and I want our people to do that.
I want them to recapture the best of what it
means to be African and human in the world. Speak
that special truth to the world and live those grounding

(02:18:10):
values and views and the way they live their lives,
do their work, and ways to struggle for good in
the world.

Speaker 2 (02:18:21):
All right, now go ahead and finish No.

Speaker 6 (02:18:27):
I also wanted to say, you know, praise out Mirror
mayor Mirror Browser of d C because she has a
special problem. You know, the other UH people don't have
the same problem she had. She has a problem when
that the law gives Trump the capacity to actually take

(02:18:49):
over the city for thirty days, you know, under under
an emergency. It's not an emergency, right, She's in the
process of trying to build things. She needs a federal government.
She's quite mailing her right and saying she's not gonna
get anything if she doesn't go along with this and
fights it. So she's in a bad positions in the

(02:19:11):
what do you call it, p carrious position, and we
have to remember that, but she still has to fight.
I like the strength of the police chief too. I
don't have her name, right, I get it before we leave,
but police chief. They asked her, so, now you've got
two people telling you what to do. So who you're
going to listen to? The mayor or the federal officer.

(02:19:32):
She said, look, you know, I'm the police chief of DC.
I'm listening to the mayor. So that's a good spirit
right there. Don't buck right, do what you have to do.
That's what Mayor Bowser said. We're going to go and
do what we were doing. We were policing before we uh,
lord's a crime. We're gonna keep doing that, and you know,

(02:19:53):
let's see how it unfolds. But she's not afraid, and
she's strong. And the police chief name is Emma, Emma Smith.
I like an attitude. I like her strength and project
she's good.

Speaker 4 (02:20:06):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (02:20:07):
So anyway, I just wanted to say that for our
sister Mayor Miria Browser.

Speaker 2 (02:20:14):
Yeah, and I think that's important because she's under attack.
And unfortunately we've had some folks who look like us
are attacks have joined the oppressor and attacking her as well.
So I'm glad you mentioned that, a doctor Karinga.

Speaker 6 (02:20:25):
Yes, And it's always easy to attack us, you know,
because a dominant society does it. And we allow our
pressor to be our teacher. And one of the first
principles of Kaweeda philosophy is that our pressor cannot be
our teacher. We must draw from the best of our
own teaching. We don't come to the table naked in

(02:20:46):
the need, but fully closing our own culture, grounded in
the best of what it needs to be African and
human in the world. And that's what we use to
think and to feel and to act in the most beautiful,
uplifting and liberating ways. That's what we have to do,
and I know it takes time and it takes a

(02:21:06):
great effort, and sometimes we don't want to because we're angry.
We're constantly angry, but sometimes we might direct our anger
at the wrong people, at the wrong source. And it's
easy to be mad with another black person. It's in
the I don't want to say the d n of
the country, but it's in the culture of the country
that you get away with attacking black people. You'll penalize

(02:21:30):
for attacking white people, especially certain kinds of white people.
Y'all know that we can't lie about it. It's so
easy to attack black people, and we have to stop
doing that. That's why when you come to our center,
the African American Culture Center, we call it Hicallo Sacred
Place Temple, you can't talk bad about black people. You know,
you can say we got a problem, but you can't

(02:21:52):
racialize it. You've got to say this American problem. This
is a problem. We've got the solves in our community.
You know, this is it. But we've got to also
talk about good things we've done, achievements we've made, and
the beautiful future we can build together. So we're trying
to create a whole different kind of a boat call

(02:22:13):
to how we engage in discussion. Haidia Malcolm said this.
I always like to refer to that. You said this
in an elected at Harvard. You said, the logic of
the press cannot be the logic of the oppressor. If
they want liberation, and we say in us, even as
we need a new logic of liberation, we need a

(02:22:34):
new language to inform that logic. You can't think differently
if we don't have the right language. Some of the
categories we have or dignity denying and life diminishing rather
than dignity affirming and life enhancing.

Speaker 2 (02:22:54):
Thank you for that. I'm hopeful young people who are
still confused, we'll understand why. Just said some mumes. We've
got some folks who want to speak with doctor Karenga.
Twelve after top of our brother Collins is in Waldorf,
Marylon has a question for doctor Karenga is online too,
Grand Rising, brother Collins a question for doctor Karenga.

Speaker 17 (02:23:12):
Yeah, Grand Rising, My dear brother, it's it's always just
a treat to hear you and your brilliant analysis, and
you've touched up till you've touched on all of most
of the major points, and that we need to be
thinking about.

Speaker 4 (02:23:28):
My dear brother.

Speaker 17 (02:23:29):
But I heard Donald Trump being interviewed by a journalist
and she asked him why were the police out there
shooting black people disproportionately? And he said, they're also shooting
white people, and he became indignant and humiliated, and I

(02:23:53):
couldn't understand where he was coming from, but except for
his white mindset. So I wanted to ask you about
that white mindset, and I have just a quick follow
if I could, if you would address that that mindset
of that white European that black people are enemies of
the state and they are being shot every day and

(02:24:15):
killed and made by the police, as you have stated.

Speaker 6 (02:24:20):
So what was the question, kind sir? Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
Why? What?

Speaker 17 (02:24:25):
What is the donald? What is the European mindset? That
black people were being shot and disproportionately by police officers
out there? And Donald Trump got on his hind leg
and and and became him humiligated. I act like he
was hmiligated by being asked that question.

Speaker 6 (02:24:48):
Well, I appreciate what you said, Finn Shane correctly, because
racism chases them to have, as I said, a de
pray disregard for black life, black rights, black aspirations. Right,
they see themselves and they have to work at it.

(02:25:11):
That's why the killing is there, right you know? Lon
of Frederick Douglas said to the about the white man, said,
the white man wants to say we're not iman but
the way he treats us and the way he makes
laws for us, and the way he talks about us
is not the way he talks about his dog, or
his voice or his cattle. Right, he makes laws for us,

(02:25:34):
He's always trying to restrict us. He puts institutions together
against us because he has a resentment of us that
we have to you know, the white man. There would
be a good thing if the white man would finance.
We don't have the money because it would take years. Right,
we don't have the money, but he has the money,
if he would finance a study of foot happens with

(02:25:59):
the race mind? How do they cling to these fantasies
of superiority, of chosenness, of elite, neess right and at
the same time need to stand on our head in
order to have height. Why do they feel the need
to that?

Speaker 4 (02:26:19):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:26:20):
Why it would would a white army kill babies in
order to I think I think they say, like early man,
so they won't grow up right and challenge them. Right,
if you're securing yourself, See, that's why all the armies
in the world, all the military power in the world,

(02:26:44):
all the AI technology in the world, won't save you
from a diminished conception of your humanity. If you yourself
don't face you got a problem. If you deny having
a problem, you can't solve it. A society that denies

(02:27:05):
its problems can't solve it's the problems. And a society
that can't solve this problem can't survive it. So these
societies will not survived. They were not. It might take
longer than we would want, but they will not survived.
I have to believe what Nana doctor Martin Luther King said.

(02:27:27):
The art of the Morrow universe is long, but it
bends towards it. It also bends toward liberation and an
expanded realm of human freedom and good in the world.
And we are paving the past toward that. We have
done that before we came to this country, but especially
during the holocaust of enslavement. Our struggle for me, our

(02:27:50):
culture is born and shaped in struggle. We are people
shaped and struggle. We struggled not to get on the boat.
We struggled on the boat. We struggled when we hit
the beach. We struggled in the fields and in the cities.
And we continue to struggle. And so let's continue to struggle.
Keep the faith and remember what Nana Malcolm X says,

(02:28:12):
Hawja Malcolm X. He said, wherever black people are, listen
to that, brother, wherever black people are, there's a battle line.
Whether you're in the north or the south, or east
or the west, you and I are in the country
that there's a battle.

Speaker 2 (02:28:27):
Line for all the plot right there, dantor karng I'll
let you finish your response to brother calls and broadcasts
and thank you for your call. Eighteen after the top
of our family, you speak to doctor Karenga, reach out
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Speaker 8 (02:28:44):
Act now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

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(02:29:13):
your work week with us at twenty one minutes off
the top of that with doctor Milana Karrenger, doctor Kurrning,
of course, one of our Tom scholars, and he's trying
to analyze for us, helping us analyze the factor that
federal troops on the streets of Washington, DC and Donald
Trump threaten into place. Troops are in many black cities,
so Donald Trump, Donald Trump, So doctor Krenga. I'll let
you finish your response to our last call that was

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from Waldorf. Uh, brother Carlos, I'll let you finish your
response to what he says. We got some more folks
got questions for you.

Speaker 6 (02:29:43):
Table appreciate what you said, uh, and what a brother asked. Look,
I just want to stress again. And I wasn't joking
about that study. You know, if it's been in there
the group besides white people were racist like this, that
then uh a determination that this is a psychological disorder

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and then be on the psychological end debt. But white
people have engaged in what uh our brother, doctor, are
we there?

Speaker 2 (02:30:17):
I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 6 (02:30:18):
Go ahead, Oh what what our brother? That name called
democratic sanity? Uh? And you know this is a disorder.
Racism is disorder. And doctor Advar says that, you know,
democratic sanity is like believer can be crazy, but if
the majority says they're saying, then it stands right. And

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so that's what you have. People in power that are
off but are calling everybody else crazy, right, and people
that feel inferior. You see when people spread against the world,
you know, they they they couldn't sustain themselves in their
own countries right. If they could, they wouldn't have been
in ours right, But they couldn't sustain themselves. So when

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they come and they find different peoples in the world,
they have a decision to make. They can see themselves
as unique in a diversity of people, or they can
find themselves as odds. If they decide themselves odd, they
have to do things to prove that they're unique, and
not just unique, but superior. And there's a contradiction in that,

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like how they say, if you just look at what
they do, you know, how they want to relate to us,
how they want us to believe in them, how they
need us like a rapist to say to the rape victim,
I love you, show for affection, right, that's a deep
need there. That's a deep need there. And how they
want to say we're ugly, but unconsciously they try to

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get color that they feel they like. I don't want
to go with doctor Fransis prinsient Wellson all the way yet,
but I want to say there's a problem they have
that they haven't worked out, and I just think their
best minds ought to look into it. They have to
heal themselves in a way that we can't. But in

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the meantime we have to struggle to restrain them. Again.
I'm going back to the ancestors and the teaching of
doctor King in this point. Now, the King says, right,
we can't legislate love, but we can legislate the means
to stop you until you get yourself together and to

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keep you from hurting me. Right, So we have to
stop them from hurting us. Why they're getting well, Because
that's a sickness to hate people who've never done anything
to you. And that's why I always go back to
revernd CD Vivian talking to the wild racist share in Montgomery, Alabama,

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and he asked him as he was trying to beating
the people down for trying to vote, He said, what
kind of people are y'all? He said, you are? But
I said, y'all, you know what kind of people are young?

Speaker 18 (02:33:00):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (02:33:01):
What kind of people are these? Now? I ask that
when I look at Israel and Godsip, what kind of
people are these? Why do they need to destroy the hospitals,
the houses, the farm lands, the air, the water, the sanitation,
the systems, the food systems, the temples, the churches, the universities,

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the schools, and always the people, especially the children, the women,
and the disabled and all innocent people. And three years,
of course there's another problem. Look at that three years,
they haven't defeated the people they hate most, and so
they kill the innocent people as a substitute. And also

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because again they want to remove them from the land
so that they can take their land. And that's why
they and then not sup Court of Justice in the
National Court of Justice says it's a plausible case.

Speaker 7 (02:34:04):
For me, it's a real.

Speaker 6 (02:34:05):
Case of genocide. Okay, okay, So that's it. So white
people got some issues and they got to work them out,
you know. But in the meantime, we've got to struggle
to restrain it from destroying our lives and our futures.

Speaker 2 (02:34:20):
Got you twenty six at the top there. Clifton, Connecticut
is online, one Cliff. Your question for doctor.

Speaker 12 (02:34:26):
Karrenga, your advisor, brother Collins, Doctor Krenga, Grand Rising, could
you please give an in depth explanation because some of us,
as black people, are still confused in terms of racism.
They believe that they can be racist, and so you
have white people that would simply turn around the whole
narrative and say, yeah, black people are racist because you few, Hey,

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you call us evil, you call us white devils.

Speaker 4 (02:34:53):
You know.

Speaker 13 (02:34:54):
So please explain in debt why black people cannot be racist?
And also why don't we see black cops abusing or
mistreating or promoting misconduct towards white people who are there
ain't no white criminals? Or do black police officers get
a different set of training? Please explain that and now

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hang up.

Speaker 18 (02:35:14):
Listen to your.

Speaker 6 (02:35:15):
Response aside it. Appreciate it. So the first thing I
want us to do is to ask for knowledge and
not need to attack the people that are mistaken. I
really think we need to develop. And I'm not criticizing you, brother,

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I'm just saying asking can we come into the conversation
in this sense to simply say, some people you know
might think this, but I understand you think differently. Would
you explain why you said in the bass or something
like that that we can't be racist? And you're right,

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you know that when we talk about racism, we have
the first make a distinction between racism and racial prejudice.
Racial president is just hating someone because of their difference
in some associated defect you assigned to them. Right, that
that based on this ethnic and so called racial difference. Right,

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But racism is being able to turn that hatred and
hostility into public policy and socially sanctioned practice. That's where
you a black person who has no power cannot impose
that whatever they if they hate the person they regularly

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prejudice against white people, they can't impose it. They just
got an attitude. If all the white man had was
an attitude, I tell him, we come up to me, man,
go get some help.

Speaker 18 (02:36:51):
You need it.

Speaker 6 (02:36:52):
But this guy can actually kill me under the color
of law. He can find me, he can he can
drive me out of the university.

Speaker 7 (02:37:00):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:37:00):
Look what he's doing to his own children for resisting
holocausts and genocide in gossip, just destroying the people. And
whenever I say white people, you know, I'm talking about
depressor and I'm not talking about all white and I'm
talking about depression. So I think it's very important for
us to see this is that racism can't mean everything.

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If it means everything, it don't mean nothing. Right, it
has to be specific. We try to get what it's called.

Speaker 4 (02:37:27):
That.

Speaker 6 (02:37:28):
I hope it doesn't sound too weigh out categorical preciseness.
We got to be more precise in the categories we use,
otherwise we confuse ourselves. So racial presidice should not be
collapsed with racism. So racism is a cineament, thought, and

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practice that is expressed in three basic ways. Right, it
is ongoing activity, right, and before I get into the seruation,
it's owner cord activity that denies and deforms of people's

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history and humanity and right to freedom based exclusively or
primarily on the false concept of race, the socially constructed
concept of race. There is no such thing as a race.
The Europeans put it together to what a sign human

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worth and social status, using white people as the model,
the main model. Right, so that the closer you are
the white people, the high you're human worth and the
hw your social status, and the further you're away from
white people black people, the lower your human worth and
the lore the social status that's built into it. So

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the black cop is taught that, and the black cop
is taught there's a penalty for doing something to white people.
There is no real penity you're going to get off
you do something with black people most of the time. Right,
that's just a reality, Right, and so what we have
here is the difference again, is that they can turn

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their hatred and hostility into public policy and socially sanctioned practice.
Public policy is law right. Social sanction is agreement with
that law.

Speaker 2 (02:39:35):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:39:35):
That's what's going on here, and now it expresses itself.
Racismly PRIs itself in three basic ways. First is imposition,
second is ideology, and third is institutional arrangement. Imposition again,
is the imposition or the application of violence. The use

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of violence. Violence, says Holocaus, violence as enslavement, violence is
police brutality, violence as the raping of the mind, using
institution to scrape out the mind and to dump the
filth of the oppress in it. I know this scenes graphic,
but this is what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:40:18):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:40:19):
So this imposition, without your capacity to impose, you have
an attitude, that's prejudice. But if you got a capacity
to impose violence under the color and camouflage of law
and system, that's the beginning ovation. Second, all dictators, all systems,

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justify themselves, right, and they use this as ideology. The
ideology justification can take three or four forms, right, two, A, three,
four and four. The first, of course is religious justification.
God gave us the right to conquer these people. The land,
Robert Frost said, was our four wheel. The land. It's

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a Native Americans not even there. The land's gonna be yours,
right or the other people. God gave us the land.
He didn't give you the land. That's why you're killing
the people on it. Right, Stop lying, you know that
sense It looks like blasphemy to me, But you know, hey,
people got to challenge these things. When people say it
and that barred somebody else's myth to juctify pressure. The

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other thing is, of course they use in some biological ideology.
You know, these people, you know, got small brains, large genitals,
they got rhythm, but they don't know how to do math.
There's a biology, right they usually sometimes you know, for women,
but for black people it's a special thing, right. You know,

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we can do the ball thing, but we can't do
the science, and we can't do stem and all that.
You know. In fact, some of the people they're not
too long ago, people from Stanford and Harvard, a group
of people say we don't need the same black people
brown people to college. They need to go to vocation
school or go straight into work, right, And why are

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they doing that? Why do they say these things? Right?
They don't want us to compete for them. They look
like they're insecure. They don't want to compete with us, right,
that's why they kept us out of sports. Right. And
even when we excelled, right, they didn't give us the
same publicity or the same money. Right. And then when

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they finally started giving us the same money, guess what,
they separated us from our community. So we don't get
the communities to some of the money. And they don't
even go it back and build a community many of us, right.

Speaker 10 (02:42:45):
Not all.

Speaker 6 (02:42:46):
Now, you know, I've got to leave some space here.
So I'm just telling you how how tradictory what they
do with And if you look at them, you'll see
their insecure people. If you're secure, you don't have to
stand on other people was hed to get hyped. You
don't have to make them ugly in order for you
to look good. You don't have to tell them they

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have much color because you feel like you've bleached right
and you need some son quick. You know, we don't
have to go through all that. You're good in your
own way. Every people is beautiful in their own way
good in their own way, right, But you don't need
to do that for people. I'm not into that, but
if they get out of the line, I'll read them right.
But the reality is that we should stay away from

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stuff like that so that we don't emulate our pressure.
Our pressure don't become our teacher. So that's the idea.
And then there's a culture one we created. Everything wasn't
the white man. He's late. He's a late comer, right.
He borrows from the rest of the world, calls it
his culture. Right, he could claim something if he hadn't
gone to other people's world, he could claim he did

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it by himself. But he borrowed a lot of things
from all the peoples of the world. And human culture
is just that. Human culture, human achievement, human progress is
just that as white people. But that's a long argument.
I could go to it. The last. The thing is
institutional arrangement. As I said before, the imposition of violence,

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systemic violence, the ideological justification for the body or enslavement,
the holocaust of enslavement, for the genocide against Native America,
et cetera. All of this would go away if there
was not institutional production and promotion of it to the universities,

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the churches first, the churches to justify the Catholic Church.

Speaker 2 (02:44:37):
I said, well, hold, I thought right there, doctor, think
our last break and I'll come back. I'll let you
expound on institutional arrangements. I think you get a down
dynamic presentation about racism. Thank of the caller from the Clifford,
Connecticut for that question. Eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy sixth number the calls speak of
doctor Krenga. I'll take your own calls here.

Speaker 8 (02:45:02):

Speaker 2 (02:45:25):
And grind Rising family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Monday morning. Here, I'm starting your week with us
at least nineteen away from the top. Yeah, I guess
one of our top scholars, doctor Krenga. Before we left
it was responding to a question from Clifford, Connecticut about
black about being racist and left us off. Doctor krang
on institutional arrangements. So I'll let you pick it up

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from there.

Speaker 6 (02:45:48):
Yes, I'm a little low, but can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (02:45:52):
Well, yeah, I can hear you very well.

Speaker 6 (02:45:55):
Okay, good, okay. Then, so I was saying institution of
rainments are destruck is an organization and institutions that promote
and perpetuate the imposition of violence and the ideological justification
for systemic violence and various sorts. So, for example, there's

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violence in the schools. Right, there's violence justified by the Church.
When we first came here. The Church justified the holocaust
of enslavement. Right, They justified segregation and racism. Right, they
justify women in equality and sexism, et cetera, and patriarchy.
So there's a lot of things that goes on from

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the institutional level. Right. The schools themselves taught it, the
universities taught it. They said this is the truth, but
it was only a part of truth.

Speaker 4 (02:46:51):
Right.

Speaker 6 (02:46:52):
It was mainly lies about us, inadequate understanding, inadequate research
or not, and the racist interpretations of our lives and
the lives of the majority of the people of the
world's population, which are people of color. We have one

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age of the world's population talking bad and down about
seven eighths of the world's population. And so these institutions
become a fundamental weapon against us, rather than a source
of upliftment and enlightenment. It's not enlightenment, it's dulling down

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and dumbing down people to the complex, diversity, beauty and
promise of the whole world, not simply you are. So
that's a very important thing for us to understand, and
that's what shapes so much of our concept of who
we are and what we're doing. Take for example, when

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trumping them are talking about crime right again, lead institution,
the media especially, and Hajjie Malcolm tells us about the media.
He said, the media can turn a criminal to a
victim and a victim into the criminal. And this is
what's happening with black people. You know, the criminal is

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turning the victim the city black people into the criminal
and turning the criminal into a victim. He's hurt, he's
thrown off, the other people, threatening, etc. So I think
it's very important for us to know this. And I like,
again how both mayor and Brandon Scott of Baltimore, and

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you know, I didn't mention yet Mayor Brandon Johnson of
Chicago or how they're standing up Mayor Karen Bass of
La Mayor Bear bar be Lee of Oakland, Mayor Muria
Browser of d C. The standing up and one of
the things that Mayor Brandon Johnson said about Chicago. He said,

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you know, it's really important for Trump to realize that
he's not going to be powered by this that you
know him, nor the mayors are going to be powered
by what Trump said. And coding me, he say, the
city will neither quote power or bend or be intimidated

(02:49:24):
by these attempts to divide and conquer our community. And he,
like the other mayors, talked about what they're doing that
reduce crime, and that is taking crime. And they don't
say this, I'm saying this as an American problem and
as a city problem that is not racial but American.

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They look into it and they see as many factors
that lead to it, you know. And of course we
talked about the youth, but we didn't talk about in
detail that I didn't mention it. But just a band
they say, youth come up into the poor living conditions
of poverty, the inequality, the lack of economic opportunity. Also

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it's a lot of people that commit crimes on the street.
They have mental problems, like he's gonna you know, that's
another thing I didn't mention that. I mean, you can
see he's sick. I mean, because we were talking about
you know how you treat the most vulnerable. And you know,
this is why I don't understand the Christians, why they
don't speak out. Jesus says in Matthew that he's going

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to judge the Christians by how they treated the most vulnerable,
what he called the least among us, right, and he's
going to ask them, did you feed the hungry?

Speaker 2 (02:50:40):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:50:40):
Did you close and naked? Did you free the prisoner?
Et cetera.

Speaker 11 (02:50:43):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:50:43):
And here they are not speaking up against genocide and
gaza on any serious constant living. They're not speaking out
against this terrorism and fascism that's coming on in the
way that it's this attack on the homeless. They're going
to move the homeless out, arrest them right if they

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don't go, or take them up and put them outside
the city. What kind of sickness is? This reminds me
of Reagan though, you know, cleaning up the city for
the Olympics. Right, we can't show the disabled a relative.
We got to put them in the clubs and the
company leaves right. That kind of thing. So I think

(02:51:27):
it's very important to talk about. Let me talk about
this the mentally disturbed that commit a lot of things
because they're disturbed. We don't need to arrest them. We
need to put them in the hospital. The unhoused people,
the homeless people need affordable housing. And these are so
many things that they've been doing. These mayors have been

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doing fighting for a decent and living wage right, and
creating youth programs. There's so many other things, and we
have to talk about them. They can't talk by themselves
Black people. We have to talk for these mayors, because
these mayors represent us, right, and they represent us not
just as political figures, but they represents that whether we

(02:52:12):
want to or not. As community representatives. They represent black people.
And he's indicting them as black people. And he's indicting
you as black people. Oh he'll call you American if
get you the buck and do a little dance, you know,
lord softs you. But hey, the rest of that, we
know who's in power. And that's his whole point, taking

(02:52:33):
the cities over again, gentrifying everything and moving us out
and so again ethnic cleansing with a new name.

Speaker 2 (02:52:42):
YEP. Twelve away from the top of hour. If you
speak to doctor Karenga's voice, you just heard Roberts call
us from Kansas City Roberts. Your question for doctor Karenga.
Is Robert there on life for Kevin, I'm not here, Robert.
Let's move to line three.

Speaker 6 (02:53:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:53:02):
Doctor Hockey's call from Baltimore. Doctor Hockey, grand Rising, your
question for doctor Karenga.

Speaker 19 (02:53:07):
Yes, sir grand Rising, Doctor Krenga, it's good to hear
you always.

Speaker 6 (02:53:12):
Uh you made some good.

Speaker 19 (02:53:14):
Points, yes, sir, Yes, sir baba, Uh, you made some
good points. And I recently you you talked about Mayor
Brandon Scott and so I'm the president of Teaching op
SISTE here in Baltimore, and you know, he definitely did
some good work with the youth summer youth program. We
had some last year. We weren't able to get him
this year. But also the young people that at his

(02:53:38):
inauguration that that you know, they know some African dancers
from Connections School. It's called Connections my organization teaching art
this institute. We actually took those young people to Ghana.

Speaker 2 (02:53:51):
Uh right, And doctor doctor Hockey, you do it's a
fair point in a question for him, because we're racing
the clock here. We got ten minutes away from the top.
They was your what's your question for doctor well.

Speaker 19 (02:53:59):
Certainly, Well my question more common question. Uh, you know
it seems as though, I mean, people hear you talk,
and I've seen people hear you speak for decades, and
I just evaluated, like, for instance, people in Baltimore, and
although people know your teachings, they don't do the opposite

(02:54:19):
you told said, do you know youth organizations and political
I would say that some of these old elders they
should just put a sign that said they gone fish
because many of them, you know, I just went to
a Gaby Day event and you know, they don't want
to hear certain things, and so I'm just like, wow,
this is really interesting. So we need we need true leaderships,

(02:54:41):
we need quality leaderships and as you mentioned, individuals that
are you know, being political. So that's all I want
to say, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (02:54:50):
So much, thank you, And I want to say think
also that what's important as that the team said and Jijia,
Malcolm and all of our great ladies have told us
we have to be more attentive to our young people.
A lot of times, as I've said before, we say

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the youth of our future, but they can also be
our faith if we don't support them and they turn
that back on their blackness, and they become self destructive
and become well Hidia Malcolm called greatly unjust to themselves,
and to that unjust to us. Because our future is
in their hands. Then they are not our future. They

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are faith the end of us. Right they walk away
from their own community, give themselves fifty other different names,
but black, then in fact that's the end of us.
So if we really love them, if we care for them,
then we must remember her teaching. She says, I leave
you the ninth legacy. She gave us nine leagacy to

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charge of responsibility to our young people, and she urges
us to prepare them for the future, to inspire and
preserve quote their zeal for building a better world, she said,
we should ensure they not be discaraged from aspying toward greatness.
We want to just repeat that they should be We
should ensure that they not be discared from a spying

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toward greatness, and we should not let them forget their
obligations to free and serve the masses in our ceaseless
striving and struggle as a people. Because we strive for
an inclusive and shared good for our young people, for
our older people, and for all people. But we have

(02:56:41):
to start with African and human good and the well
being of the world. Always African heaven and human good
and the well being of the world. That's why we
say it's not enough to say we fight for social justice.
We must fight for racial justice, social justice and of
course economic justice and again the will being of the world.

Speaker 17 (02:57:03):
And all in it.

Speaker 2 (02:57:06):
All right, it's sending away from the top of the Balamata.
I hope I'm going to ask name correctly in Baltimore.
Can you make it quick for us? Your question for
doctor Karenga, Yes, yes.

Speaker 18 (02:57:16):
Very quickly. I would like to say that on the
twenty eighth, Reverend Sharpton is one of the few people
who've actually taken action to try to adjust these address
these inequalities. It's taken our march to the to Wall
Street this time. My question for doctor Karringa, though, is
that one could argue that the methods of civil disobedience

(02:57:36):
of the past, where we march and make a big
scene and saying we shall overcome, but that there's not
as effective as they are today. After January seventh.

Speaker 19 (02:57:47):
You're not going that far.

Speaker 2 (02:57:48):
You're not going all of the way, all right, and
I'm gonna cut you that ball because we're racing the
clock and I want to give him a chance to
respond to your question. And I thank you for your call. Uh,
doctor Karan, can you do it real quick for us?

Speaker 18 (02:58:00):
Were something modernize? Are methods of civil disobedience?

Speaker 13 (02:58:05):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (02:58:06):
What you appreciate what you said is first learn the
tradition of the past. What is civil disobedience? And I
know we don't have much time because so if you
want me to, I can wait until we come back.

Speaker 2 (02:58:20):
Yeah, we probably have to do when we come back
because we're running out of time. And I want you
folks who want to get in touch with you, how
can they follow you? For US organization? How can they
reach you? How can it because you do you speak
a lot in l A, how can they hear those
conversations as well?

Speaker 18 (02:58:37):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:58:38):
Okay, is that.

Speaker 2 (02:58:40):
Yeah, that's that's a question for you, Doctor Karrenga.

Speaker 6 (02:58:43):
Okay, now sure, so, yes, So we we we have
the email, I mean the website US DASH Organization dot org,
us Dash Organization dot or g. And there's our phone number.
You can also call that number two and three two

(02:59:07):
nine nine six one two four. I'm sorry oh that's true.

Speaker 8 (02:59:12):
Two three two three.

Speaker 6 (02:59:15):
Three two three, I'm sorry three two three two nine
nine six one two four god hit.

Speaker 10 (02:59:23):
But that's it.

Speaker 6 (02:59:24):
And so you can call us in content and also
you'll find on there our weekly virtual lectures and forums
we call soul Sessions. We've been having these. This is
our sixtieth anniversary in September. We've been having these for
sixty years. Can you imagine that? Sixty years of work, struggle, love,

(02:59:45):
institution building and unbudgeted blackness. That's what we've done. So
our answer to sivil disobeat is if we come back,
are we going to come back for further conversation?

Speaker 2 (02:59:57):
No, we're just about that for the day.

Speaker 6 (03:00:01):
Oh okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:00:02):
So but before you go, doctor Karrenga, do you still
have the Sunday Conferences of Sunday meetings.

Speaker 6 (03:00:09):
Yes, that's what I just said. We call them soul
Sessions every every Sunday three o'clock, and you go to
the website and you'll see them advertised. And you also
can be put on our mailing list. Just send us
a send us your what do you call an email,
and we'll put you on the mailing list for all
the activities we have, so I appreciate this. Thank you again,

(03:00:30):
car and to everybody remember this is our duty to
know our pass and honor it, to engage our present
and improve it, and to imagine a whole new future,
and to forge it in the most ethical, effective and
expansive way. And this too, Black people continue to struggle,
keep the faith, hold the line, love and respect our

(03:00:50):
people in each other, practicing guzu soveraigny the seventh principle,
seek and speak truth, do and demand justice. It's constantly
concerned with the well being another world and all in it,
and there help rebuild the overarching movement the preet figures.
It makes possible the good world we all want and
deserve to live in and leave as a legacy worthy

(03:01:12):
of the name and history Africa. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (03:01:15):
Ye all right, thank you doctor Krenga. Family classes dismissed
for the day. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy.
We'll see you tomorrow morning right here in Baltimore on
ten ten WLB and also under DMV on FM ninety
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