Dr. Melina Abdullah on BLM, Carl Snowden on Civil Rights Silence, & Seasonal Music with Bill Carpenter

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us again. Later, a former vice presidential candidate and
original Black Lives Matter founder, doctor Malina Abdullah will take
over our classroom now. Doctor Abdullah will analyze the Trump
administration's continued attack.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, good morning, Grand Rising ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to
the Colin Nelson morning. So as we try to connect,
it looks like we may be having a little bit
of technical challenge this morning, so we hope that your
Monday is starting off swell for you as we get

(00:38):
ready to have some interesting guests today.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And as you know, my name is Kevin Langford's.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
And usually you'll be hearing from the Maestro himself, and
here he is on our phone line.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Carl Nelson, Grand Rising.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Grand Rising, Kevin, Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting your
week us again. Later, former Vice pressure on candidate and
original Black Lives Matter founder doctor Malina Abdullah will take
over our classroom. Doctor Abdullah will analyze her Trump Administration's
continued to attack on Venezuela, also address allegations of fraud
facing another Black Lives Matter chapter before doctor Abdullah Jones,

(01:18):
though Baltimore civil rights activist Carl Snowden will discuss the
noticeable silence from major civil rights groups in response to
the onbrowne attacks by Donald Trump. Also, a music historian
Bill Compton will be on hand as well, and Chicago
actors pastor Anthony Williams will check in. In fact, he's
on deck the first list. Kevin's already opened the classroom door. So, Kevin,

(01:40):
what's going on in the news.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, first of all, let's talk about the victory for
the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
They finally learned that you can win a game if you.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
If you stay consistent somehow, you know, a sixty three
yard run back can things. And and the fact that
the Giants seemed to be self imploding and you know,
hurting themselves a lot helped with this win twenty nine
to twenty one for the Commanders. And yeah, so that's

(02:17):
how that was. I don't know what happened on in Baltimore.
You got any news on the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, well, so we go to Baltimore, Kevin, I don't
know if you saw the opening of the game. Line
back of Frankie Levouver was coming to the ballpark with
not a shirt hand shoes, was a shirtless and it
was as col As all get out on Sunday, did you.
I don't know if you saw that. All people saw that.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, I saw a photo of that. I was wondering
what that was about.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I guess he's trying to adjust to the coal is
show that he.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Probably is the cold. Hope he doesn't get sick with
that kind of stunt. Yeah, you're right, but that's the
Commander is one. And next week they played the Patriots
in eight o'clock game. But you talked about Baltimore, the
Baltimore Ravens. They shut out the Bengals twenty four, you know,
twenty four nothing and they pay the Patriots. I'm sorry

(03:08):
that the Commanders who played the Eagles on Saturday. There's
a Saturday game, a bunch of games on Saturday, and
the Commanders will were playing the Eagles. That should be
a great.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Game, Yes, especially if they can hold on to the
strategy they used to win with the Giants and and
and everybody.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
You know, Johnson Gihanson in the formula of opposition this season,
Giants and Jets are just horrible. So I wouldn't I
wouldn't start celebrating yet, you know the real test now,
you know, next on Saturday's game when they played the Eagles,
because Eagles were having some problems and now they seem
to have bounced back. So that's gonna be a great game.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Okay, hey, look, according to see and in politics, Trump
is daring Maga to oppose him. Right now, he says,
uh oh yeah yeah. For his first ardent, MEGA supporters
are more unshackled. Second Trump term has carried the promise
that he might actually deliver on many of his controversial proposals,

(04:07):
but the reality is more complicated. In recent days, the
Trump administration has repeatedly bowed to the realities of governing.
It's done things on Epstein, on Russia's war, on Ukraine,
on deportations, the risk of alienating the Magal base. So
everyone has their limits, they say, and Trump's giving them

(04:31):
reasons to be suspect about his top administration officials intentions.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well, you know, that'll start with Margie Taylor Green Kevin.
She's the first, well in the first round, but most
vocally openly who opposed Donald Trump as part of us.
She actually was a MAGA queen. And then she came
and spoke from the other folks. Now getting the gumption
to see a woman's stand up to Donald Trump, and
and they're seeing some fracture in this mag group. So

(05:00):
so other people are having the second thoughts. And I
don't know if you saw the latest ratings, but his
approval has dropped across the board, including with MAGA folks.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, they say that his his base is disappointed in
his activities and the promises have fallen flat. As the
administration effectively concludes the matter of Epstein, but the Justice
Department's final conclusions in a two week case contradicted what
Attorney General Pam Bondi had said in.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
These documents.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Bondi responded to a reporter's question about a client list
by saying she had won on her desk. The DJ
now says there was no client lists. So the White
House claimed Monday that Bondy was somehow referring to other documents.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
So it's a little bit confusing there.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Oh yeah, And that's why the MAGA people are scratching
their heads and saying, this is not we bought, This
is not the than we purchased, you know, returned to Sander.
So they having second thoughts. That's where all this is. Biased.
Remorse has come from as far as Donald Trump is concerned.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Meanwhile, the GOP defectors raise the heat on the Republicans
over health subsidies vote. The GOP leaders in both chambers
of Congress are under growing pressure from the rank and
file Republicans to address health insurance premiums that are expected
to soar next year. So four Republicans Center senators rather

(06:31):
sent out allowed message to Senate Majority leader John Thune
on Thursday by breaking ranks and voting for a Democratic
bill to extend enhanced health insurance subsidies under the Affordable
Care Act for three more years, despite efforts by the
GOP leadership to keep the Senate Republican Conference unified against

(06:52):
the proposal. So what that's more Obamacare?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, that is. But they haven't twill there in a week.
I've got they've done. They're out of town on and
they're on recess for the holiday and won't be back.
So if they don't reach until over in the next
few days, you know, your premium is insurance piers medical
insurance perierms are going to skyrocket. And they've been hearing
from their constituencies, have been telling me, hey, my bills,
my medical bill, I need this. You know, my health

(07:17):
is compromise and it's going to triple. You guys better
get on the ball and do something, you know, for
get your egos. So they getting pressure from back home.
So we'll see how how if they'll bend or break
or they'll you know, go along with the Trump agenda
and just let it slide. Because as they've had two
or three decades to come up with a healthcare plant,
all they have. Donald Trump says, we have the concept

(07:40):
of a plant. So that's the that's the issue right there, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
And he's still conceptually trying to figure it out. Right. Look,
and according to the news Week, I found a story
for the Morning.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
The question is is a billionaire hotel air the answer
to Democrats working class problem?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
You see, Illinois Governor JB.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Pritzker, heir to the Highatt hotel empire, has a kind
of profile it seems destined to ignite debate in today's
Democratic Party. He's rich, very rich, and to the tune
of nearly four billion dollars. But he's also big in
stature and uh, but also in rhetoric.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
So he has emerged.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
He look, he has emerged as one of the loudest,
most full throated voices opposing President Donald Trump's second term,
even as his own party wrestles with how to handle
the contradictions of populist rage and partisan leadership. So what's
the deal with Pritzker.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
You haven't got done, Like you said, He's filthy rich,
he's got and he doesn't care. He doesn't he doesn't
have a cowtown to Donald Trump. You know, he's got
enough money, he can say what he wants. He's got
his own state. That's why he's back in whatever happens
in Chicago, you know, as a sanctuary city. He's behind
at us where and he's got enough money. It's money,
It's it's again. It's all about who's got more money.

(09:04):
And he's got enough money. And he seems to be
a little bit more intelligent than Donald Trump. I'll just
say that. So well, I'm not going to go there,
but yeah, but yeah, but he's a formal opponent if
if the democraft kept behind him. Right now, right now,
it looks like it's Gavin Newsome.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
They like, Oh, I see that. They say the Prince
is unapologetically liberal. Even though he was going into wealth,
he perhaps maybe able to champion the party that spent
the last decade railing against economic oligarchy, and because he
has the money, he won't necessarily have to be into that.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well, he's got the money, and he's not desires of
getting more money. See Donald Trump is surrounding himself with
millionaires and billionaires and then only desires to make more
money and make more money, make more money. He's got
enough money, so that's that doesn't turn him on, you know,
make it made him more money, doesn't turn him on.
So he may be a better choice. Or maybe the
American public is just fed up with these millionaire billionaires

(10:07):
because for most of us we can't relate to that.
You know, you're talking about prices going up in inflation.
It doesn't bother then, but it bothers the Joe public.
You know, he doesn't bother the and the billionaires.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
And look, he's sixty years old and people have compared
him to Franklin Roosevelt, and he says, take it from
an actual billionaire. Trump is rich and only one thing stupidity.
So and that's the way it is.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Carl.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
On this Monday, the fifteenth of December, We've got your
guests standing by, all.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Right, before we go, just one more item Kevin.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Here.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Donald Trump is taking the first staff to see some
of the public golf courses in the district. He says
he doesn't like how they are shaped up. He wants
to make him better. He wants to redo them. So
all you golfer's out there in Washington, d C. Donald
Trump's coming for your will be for you. But anyway,
just to share that he's.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Going to change the golf course. Yeah, like the Langston
golf course that used to be all.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, he wanted to change all of us. So nothing,
he doesn't. He have enough stuff on his desk and
it's in basket to deal with warring about golf courses
in Washington, d C. But anyway, yeah, I mean thirteen
minutes after take me, let's do let's go to Chicago.
Activist pastor Anthony Williams is joined us. Pastor Williams, Grand Rising,

(11:35):
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Oh grand Rise, and brother Nelson. It's always an honor
and my pleasure to be on your great show.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
You've been You've been hounding and pounding the bricks and
talking about, you know, violence, You've made at the core
of what you've discussed about violence. We've got to come
up with work. You say, it's it's a national problem,
and people seem to be ignoring it and everything we
hear about it, it just seems like people have become
immune to violence now, especially in this country, with every

(12:05):
about what happened in Australia, so they get in the
taste of it. But for this country, it seems that
violence is going autobated and nobody wants to tackle issue.
Why do you think people just ignoring that, Pastor.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Man, It's hard to say, you know, for many reasons.
You know, a denial that the fact that the scientific community,
in the medical community CDC, when they were once in
their sound minding, the correct leadership has being violence the
disease and sections but not contagious. But then you have

(12:41):
to go to the basic understanding of what violence is,
Brother Nelson, average person, I said, okay, what does violence mean?
They're Paul's or they'll say the wrong thing, And I said,
the word violence means to violate. So when I deal
with violence, I tried to deal with it holistically, understanding

(13:04):
that first of all, it is a disease. And in
the state of Illinois, we have requested a Senator Richard Derbin,
who's been in office forever who now is retiring, And
we have requested federal hearings on American violences of public

(13:25):
health crisis and disease with a national plan of civility
being a solution. And so here we see it's a
way of life. We accept it as a way of life.
And so this abnormal behavior has now become our norm.
And so I say we are doing an injustice to

(13:49):
future generations, to our descendants to not address this issue
of violence correctly. If we don't address that, America will
continue you to decline. And so it's time to address it.
It's trying to get to the root of the problem.
It's time to address it's twenty levels of violence, domestic violence,

(14:12):
for global violence. It's time to get to the root
of the problem. It can be addressed and solutions can
be put in place. It's not that difficult. So when
you have hearings, all we saying, let's have hearings. So
if we're going to get something done despite Trump being
offers or not, doesn't matter. All we need is a

(14:35):
blue state senator like we have in the state of
Illinois with Dick Derby Senator. We request hearings and we
want the hearings not to be in d C. Miss Nelson.
We want the hearings to be in Illinois. There's less
interference if the hearings will be helped in Illinois. And
you want to bring in the experts, and then you

(14:56):
want to bring in the average common person who can
get testimony to the impact of violence on their lives.
So it's time to address the problem. This is the
number one problem of the twenty first century, and the
denial of the elected officials. It's sad.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Well, I'm jumping here at sixteen as the topic. Our
grand rising family just waking up with us. I guess
it's past that Anthony Williams in Chicago. You've heard it before.
It's an activist pastor in the Windy City, Pastor Williams.
Do you think they're deliberately ignoring the problem, the violence problem,
because they want to see the country go down? Is
that a possibility?

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Well, First of all, violence is big business. It's the
number one economic extreme on the planet. But I say
to the profiteers, it's more it's more money in the
solution than in the problem. If that's how they think. So,

(15:57):
but it's times. I mean, it's just calm assist.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
You so hold that for right there. I let you
pick it up on the other side. We step aside
for a few moments eighteen minutes. At the top of
the family, I guess it is past Anthony Williams out
of Chicago. He's telling about violence. You got an opinion,
reach out to Usoul youd like to speak to the pastor.
You can get him at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy sixth we'll take your calls next Dan.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Grand Rising, family, and thanks for starting your week with us.
I guess there's a Pastor Anthony Williams out of Chicago.
He's an activist preacher there and I was talking about violence,
and he's calling for federal hearings on American violence, public
health crisis, and the disease. He wants you to be
held in Illinois. He's homestate of Villain and want to questioned.
The Senator Dick Durbin hosts these hearings. So that's where

(16:43):
we were left off. So I'll let you finish your report.
Pastor Williams. Hello, Yeah, Pastor Williams.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Sure? I can hear you?

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Okay, I just want to make sure because your volume
went low. I was simply saying, and I will say
that I want to talk with my personal experience. I
worked with other citizens, but I was the primary point
person and with lawmakers to get a bill passed in
Illinois at the state level, the Illinois Health Reform Bill,

(17:16):
which I introduced Governor J. B. Piska to sign. He
didn't want to sign it. He didn't want to sign it.
That bill says in the state of Illinois that violence
is a public health crisis and should be treated as such.
But what happened this was I was the first center.

(17:38):
I mean to me, I was the first citizen they
tell me that got legislation passed in the state of Illinois.
Since twenty teen, that's a long time, and it still
hasn't happened. From that experience, my perception and understanding of
the system heightened, and my skill sets developed in terms

(18:00):
of understanding it's a legislation that moves the needle. We
are a nation of laws. If you have these hearings,
what they don't want you to do is open up
Pandora's box, Brother Nelson. But we can get to the
root of the problem. Now. Some people say well, well,

(18:21):
why you want to have here what you got without hearings,
without legislation. I would say, particularly to my community, the
black community, you still be on the back of the bus.
You still be on the back of the bus. They
can make a good law, they can make a bad law.
They can make laws. Even though we have a violator

(18:43):
who's the head of a federal government, laws are still
being made at a local level, at a county level,
at a municipal MSIP level. The needle is still moving.
We need these hearings. I tell you what, the time
was perfect for the heares. When you look at what's
going on continuously in this country. Up at Brown University,

(19:07):
East Coast, quiet community, you got a mass shot. You
see domestic violence, breaking, plate breaking, running rapid everywhere. The
actor what's his name, Ryaner, a producer. I was looking
at the news first thing this morning. Apparently he was

(19:29):
killed in his own by his own son. So it's
time to address this issue, this demon correctly. If we
don't call it by his proper name, a disease, then
we're going to continue to have this pandemic that that
seems to have an analyst pit. So you have those hearings.

(19:52):
You educate the people. People need to be educated on
what we're dealing with as it relates to violence as
a disease. Now, I didn't write the manual for this,
but there's a manual out there that tells us exactly
what this is. So when the scientific community and the
last last past twenty years began to alert its citizens,

(20:19):
and it's a government that, hey, we need to look
at this issue of violence. Everybody's ignored fast forward. I
mean in the present. Here we are, in the present.
Everybody that's accepted as a norm because we love violence
or we love violence in this country. I mean we
marinated in violence. But that's backwards thinking. That's unhealthy thinking,

(20:45):
that's unhealthy thinking. And right now America is a very
sick place. That's not sugar COVID. And that's why as
a citizen, we have called upon Richard Durbin, do your job,
Do your job and sitting in that seat forever. But
your body of work doesn't say much when you really
look at your years of sitting there. So in this

(21:08):
blue state where you got these so called gay liberals,
let's go ahead and let's have these hearings right now
with federal elections taking place, particularly in the state of Illinois.
Any found minded congressional candidate, senatorial candidate needs to be

(21:30):
standing with me. You need to be standing with the citizens.
But they have you know, you know what I mean.
I mean the incompetency of some of our elected officials
frighten me because ui I some Bablan Street can do
a better job than governing than being But they're there,

(21:53):
but you got to make them work. We do not
work for the elected officials. The elected officials work for us.
So how can I have my life, my liberty, my happiness,
my property and the pursuit of happiness? And all this
violence continues to take place now, not only when we
talk about the individual violence, but Nelson, the institutions. We

(22:18):
are watching the institutions violate the people. So when I
address issues of violence, I don't address it as a novelist,
as a novice. I address it as a person who
also has experienced in my life the impact of what
violence does to you as an individual and to a family.

(22:41):
And it is too much trauma that is taking place
in this nation because we will not address the issue
of violence correctly, and so we're going to continue to
push and continue to insist that sended Dick Derwin, who's
serving his last time. Hold these heres.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Right and all I thought right there, Pastor Williams, let
me tell the folks, it's twenty minutes after Tom the
other just joined us. Pastor Anthony Williams from Chicago as
with us, and we're talking about violence. He's requesting federal
hearings on our violence. He mentioned also the death of
Rob Ryner and his wife there found killed. If the
police LAPD think it was a homicide or they say

(23:25):
it's homicides and they think that his Rob Ryaner's son
actually is a suspect in this and they live in
Westwood section actually Brentwood section of Los Angeles. But anyway,
that took place yesterday. So this is what he was telling.
There is another violence that happened and people are still
mystified about that. Those you may recall him from the

(23:46):
days of all in the family. He was the meathead
there and then he went on to do great things
because his dad was also a comic. He was the
producer of Harry met Sally, so all of that. But
that's that's taking place, and people are dealing with that,
especially the Hollywood community dealing with that this morning. But
you mentioned earlier, you mentioned there are twenty levels of violence.

(24:06):
Pastor Williams, Can you share with us what are the
twenty levels?

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Well, I can't look, man, it's early in the morning.
I can't remember half of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
But people, we'll give us something.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Google Google, google it up. Well, you know you can talk,
you know, well, these are like give perfect example, gun
violence symptoms. Gun violence is not the total sum of
what violence is. Mental illness. Uh, that's another issue as
it relates to the violence and the violation of persons.

(24:44):
When you talk about global violence, when you talk about
fracking of the earth, polluting the water, the land, et cetera.
The air, another form of violence. So there are twenty
primarily has been a categorized scientifically in categories that there
are twenty levels. And it is frightening when you have

(25:10):
people who send in positions of authority that won't address
the issue correctly, and they have all the resources and
the personnel at their fingertip. A leading Democrat told me
this about Governor Priscer in my great state, who thinks
he wants to be president of the United States. He

(25:32):
doesn't know what to do about violence. And I'm listening
to it now, mister Nelson, and I'm saying to myself,
this man signed the bill, and don't know what the
hell he signed. This man doesn't have a common sense

(25:53):
to understand that he's got to get his epidemiologists together,
and this state can be an example to address violence correctly, correctly.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
So now let me hold you right there for a second,
Pastor Williams, thirty minutes off the top out does anybody
benefit financially from from the violence? Whether it be domestic
violence or international violence, or street gang violence, gang violence?
Who benefits violence?

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Big business?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Hey man?

Speaker 5 (26:24):
How much you think of military playing costs? What was violence?
How much you think how much you think of a
submarine costs? How much you think it costs to run
a police department? Say, oh, this is a part of
the system. I'm the balesman the judges. So you can
put some people out of business, and that's a good thing.

(26:47):
That's a good thing because no civilization can can continue
to go forward with this type of behavior. And I
and I will debate anybody on this issue. There is
no debate. But all the data is there, not just
the emotions of Anthony Williams, it's more than that in
anybody motions. Look, what's happening When you talk about post

(27:10):
traumatic stress, that's one thing, but now you have what
happens in a whole situation of stress. It's the current
stress that takes place, current stress, current stress, economic vilence,
political violence. That's a part of the tree of violence.
So you got current stress, then you got post traumatic stress.

(27:34):
But then you got a stress that they know. People
don't even want to talk about, anticipatorial stress that just
stepping outside of my door of my house, something may
happen to me. And everybody's walking around with a gun.
Everybody's got a gun. So I mean this type of

(27:55):
behavior up. We got to address this because we're sick
and we got to heal. We got to get healthy.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
In this nation.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
And I will continue to scream it from the mountaintops.
If we don't address it, we're going to continue to
have this type of societial decline. And it's across the board.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And people can't say, well, well, let me interrupt you again
and ask you this, how far would you go? Because
you're talking about violence, Pastor Williams and those you are
just checking in past Anthony Williams is out of Chicago
and that he wants a federal hearing on violence. Would
would you would you go after football? Football is a
violent sport? Would would you stop that as well?

Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah? Man, you want me to start you want you
want to start a revolution in this country, a real revolution.
Mess with football and see what's going to happen. People commits,
people kill you.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Man.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
You can't mess with the Gladators. I heard, I heard.
I heard the commentator that you were in communication with
talk about how one of these Gladaidors walked out in
the in the fridge cold with no shirt on and
no shoes. See, that's we like our gladiators, bread and
circuses all America.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Love that.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Can't mess with that now. But what you want to
do is get it civil. You want you got to
get people in a calm, calmness, calm, cool and collector.
People got to understand if it's the disease, if I
begin to understand violence of the disease, then my response
to things will be different. But you got to educate people.

(29:29):
So that's controlled. So no, I would never talk about
messing with the NFL. But then the institution called the
NFL is very violent. The institution itself and historically is
violated this players, et cetera, et cetera. You talk about
the institution of football. You got thirty two teams in

(29:51):
the NFL, and black folk can't say a popcorn. They
only doing a half of percent of business with black
business people. So that's another's institutional bodies. So when you
start talking about it, then people got to say, man,
who wants to live like this? Who wants to live

(30:14):
like this? Brother Nelson? Because no one is safe. Now,
I don't walk around path noid, no walking around with
a weapon. But as a citizen, if you as a citizen,
now you as a person, you see a situation, you
see a problem, and you know you have the ability

(30:35):
to help out, to solve, to bring something to the process.
You don't do it. You're complacen, You're wrong. As a
matter of fact, you're almost sinful. I see this problem
as a minister to God's I see this problem as
a father or her husband, a grandfather, a friend, a pastor,

(30:59):
A citizen say, I know how to be a citizen,
and right now we need to start. When you see
a violent government, that is a government that violates us,
we need to act like citizens while we still can.
And you don't want to go in there fighting and
bickering with the elected officials. We just want them to

(31:21):
do their job. We have civilly asked Dick Durbin to
do his job. Now, I don't mind having a press
conference in front of it, in front of his house. See,
that's what we had to do with press. I had
to go is. I had to go to this house, man,
have a press conference. Come on, man signed the bill.
But they thought, out of ignorance that I would just disappear.

(31:45):
They didn't know. They were preparing me for the next level.
And that's for these federal hittings. And I will you
talk about these civil rights organizations. I reached out to
some of them here silence, silence, because the majority of
them you eat from the table of corporate America. You
ain't free, so you gotta be free to do this

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kind of work.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Man.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
You can't be owned by anybody. It is thankless what
we do addressing this issue. But I thank God for you,
brother Nelson, giving us the opportunity to intelligently let the
citizens understand it's a disease and sections but not contagious.
Have the hearings because you're gonna put you're gonna peel

(32:29):
back the layers of violence and get to the real
get to the real cause of it. And then you're
gonna have to and then and what the institutions themselves
had to address it, because that's you an example, American
descendants of slavery, of slavery have been the most violated

(32:49):
people on God's green Earth.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
All right, hold, I thought right there, Pastor Williams. Well,
I'll let you finish your felt On the other side,
we gotta check the news, trafficking weather at different cities. Family,
just join us. I guess he's pasted. Anthony Williams out
of Chicago. We're talking about violence. Who wants to hold
federal hearings to discuss the issue? What are your thoughts?
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

(33:14):
with us again. Our guest is Pastor Anthony Williams out
of Chicago. He's an activist preacher and he's talking about violence.
He's calling for a federal hearings on violence. Before we
go back to you. Let me let me just remind
you kind of Later this we're gonna speak with the
former vice presidential candidate and the one of the original
Black Lives Matter founder, doctor Melena Abdullah will be going
to be here. And also we're going to speak with

(33:35):
Baltimore civil rights activist Carl Snowden. Also we're going to
talk music music for the season with music historian Bill Carpenter.
And later this week you're gonna hear from Chematogis brother
Tony Browner, metaphysician and master herbalist. Doctor b will be
here and Grio Baba Lamma also Jonas. So if you're
in Baltimore, mature you keep you radio locked in tight
on ten ten WLB. We're in the DMV around fourteen

(33:57):
fifteen WL. Also, I condulces to the family and the
friends and fans of Carl Carlton. He passed away. He
was suffering at first stroke. Some of you may remember
your songs that She's a bad Mamma Jamma. We used
to play that song for Maxine Waters all the time
and whenever she was on the show that allows to
pay a record going into the morning show, that was

(34:17):
her song, She's a bad Mamajamma. Claude Anderson whois song
would show me the way and we could go on
or not. But anyway, he passed away on Sunday. He
was seventy two. So that's carl Carlton eight hundred and
four five zero seventy eight seven six. That's number to
call it right now, though, to speak to our guest,
Pastor Anthony Williams, Pastor Williams, I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Look, it's just plain common sense to realize, particularly as
a responsible adult and citizen, that when you see a problem,
there's had to be a solution. And with all of
this wonderful technology that we have out here here, we

(35:01):
continue to see this type of primitive behavior because America
is becoming more primitive because of violence. Yet you got technology.
That's why a musk can say, you.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
Know what.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
He sees the breakdown in society, and the breakdown is
this violence. And it's such big business because they can
the property is can make money off the violence. If
you have these hearings. Imagine mister Nelson having these hearings
televised and the American public can see it and hear

(35:37):
it and have the experts come in and call it
by his proper names. See, we want to call it
by his proper names. Violence is a disease. Who in
their right mind wants a disease? This, this is the
word disease, disease. It is a disease, a dysfunction. It's
a discomfort. So if you got a disease, address it. Unfortunately,

(36:03):
you would have this. This man, Robert Candick Jr. Say
it ain't, but it is. And those epidemiologists that I've
talked to have talked to, and the researcher and the
data that out look that Okay, this is what is
infectious but not containing. How do you deal with it?

(36:25):
You have these legislative hearings so you can begin to
put the policies in place. And every day legislation hearings
take place all around this country. So that's the process.
If we want to deal with this issue of violence,
let's go to the federal level, Let's have the hearings,

(36:48):
Let's bring in the experts, let's bring in the citizens,
and let's work towards the solution. And it's not complex,
it's common sense. If you want to stop something, Brother Nelson,
you stopping you stop it and.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Let me jump in asking this, So, why do you
think this is a reluctance to even discuss and have
a discussion, open discussion about finance. Why is it a
reluctance from officials?

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Well, well, I want to be theological. I want with
my theological hat on the sin I understand the sinful
nature of humanity. I'm clear on that. I'm clear on
the sinful nature of humanity. We're not talking about utopia.
But see the denial and guess what. They might not

(37:39):
care for the messenger, but they better listen to the message.
They might not care for the messenger, but they better
listen to the message. And see. I know the type
of resistance that you get from these elected officials because
I've been through a process before. All we're doing, brother

(38:00):
Nelson is taking the page out to Martin Luther King playbook,
except we don't have to be out here in masses,
marching or getting bit by dogs or water holes like
they did. He left for blueprint and others have left
for blueprint. Okay, let's have these, Harry, and any intelligence citizen,

(38:22):
anybody that's in the politics, know that I'm saying the
correct thing, Harry. People around the countryship called Durbin. Why
don't you have those hearings? Google is number up. Let's
have the hearings, Brother Nelson, and you and I will
sleep better at night because we will know that future

(38:44):
and unborn generations will be safe because we're on the
right side of history. You know, it's a hell of
a thing, man, to walk the fence and play the game.
People need to take the mask off out here, take
the mask off your and see what's happening. You think
your money can save you from this? Man just got

(39:06):
stabbed to death.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
In his home.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
The actor, allegedly by the sun, had a lot of money.
Did anybody dead? We're all going to die. But while
I'm living, it don't cost nothing to do right. Man,
It don't cost nothing to do right. So all we
do is urban do your job, and believe me, America

(39:30):
will appreciate us, and the world would appreciate because the
next step, if you have these subtle hearings, then the
next step is to look at this thing globally. So
just a process to this I had to learn. And
all I'm saying is the number one problem in the
twenty first century. If it's not addressed directly, then we

(39:51):
will continue to just sink into the abyss. Man, It's
got to be addressed. Ain't no debate on this issue.
A child can understand what I'm saying. And if you
call yourself a so called smart intellectual person, you know
what the hell I'm saying. Hearings, you have hearings, you
bring forth solutions. You can stop it. You can stop

(40:15):
the brother, we can stop it. We can deal with it,
and Illinois is the perfect place to do it. You
got Triska, the so called liberal governor. We got heap support,
but you need you want derbing to have it. And
right now we're trying to get Durbin out the rabbit
hole he's hiding. See, once you send in the request,

(40:38):
there's got to be a response. And the press in
the Chicago land community is not operating from the power
of its forth estate. They did two press conferences on
the subject matter and did not add it. So't they
tell you right there, by Nelson, what you're trying to hide.

(40:58):
And see, I'm not some charlotte and my body of
work speaks for itself. So I'm not doing I'm not
out here being done. Kihote I being a coma Cozi pilot.
I don't have that kind of ego. I'm a senior citizen. Man.
I got other things that I could be doing. But
right now, nothing is more important than the future of

(41:21):
my grandchildren, the future of your grandchildren, the future of
our descendants. This has to be addressed.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Nail for for a second, here passed a Williams and
ask this on the personal level, Because you lost a
child to violence, is this all of this start? Just
what started your crusade? Are your violence?

Speaker 5 (41:41):
No? No, no, no no. Prior to my son getting
getting killed violently, I received a grant from a place
called wheat Ridge Ministry, and you had to pick certain
subject matters, and so I chose to study violence. It
was a little ten thousand dollars grant. We stretched that

(42:03):
grant for three years, Man, and when we came out
of that, you know, it was an epiphany. It was
an epiphany. And this and this assignment, this journey was
given to me to address it. But in the process
I would get born into the eyed hurricane.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Man.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
When I lost my son, Man, because brother, ain't nothing
more painful. Losing a mother and father is tough, but
when you lose your child because your child's supposed to
bury you. It's a hole in you. Man. And if
I didn't know the Lord, I'd be done because that

(42:42):
boy was the closest thing to me on this earth
near Maiah. And hey, man, you will forever have be
That's a part of post traumatic stress. But my therapy
is my faith. Some people they never get over it, man,

(43:04):
They can't. They can't. The pain was so great, man.
And so you've got too many people that are in
pain and the trauma out here. Because we're allowed this
demonic force to continue to grow in our nation, you
have these hearings, we're able to cut get to the

(43:26):
root of what we're dealing with. Now. King and Malcolm
address violence too. They understood it, but they addressed it
in blocks. King addressed it, what segregation, This is a
violent institutional virus. We better address it. This the right
to vote, that's institutional violence. Not being able to live

(43:49):
where I want to live. So he was he had
to address those institutional violences. That was his assignment. Our
assignment is to call it by his proper name, A disease,
a disease. Who wants a disease? Nobody the right man
wants a disease. If you work to a person and

(44:10):
say he wants a disease, let's say I don't want
me to do a disease. So we got addressed, man,
and it can be addressed. It can be addressed. This
is not about political parties. This is about which way
of America will go? Are we going to be healthy
or be unhealthy? You gotta violate on Pennsylvania Avenue. We

(44:32):
clear on what that is. But guess what and how
I thought right there?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Let me ask you that is that part of the problem?

Speaker 8 (44:39):
Though?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
You mentioned the person in the White House as a highlighter,
and there's no argument about that, that's factual. Do you
think that's part of the problem? Why sort of immuneative
to violence in this country?

Speaker 5 (44:52):
Now you know what he's help, he's helping, he's helping
to make the case because of Maria. That's there's only
one known civilization in humanity that was not built by
built on violence. But every every great civilization wrong, Greece, Egypt,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, They were all built

(45:14):
on some form of violence. America was built on genocide
and slavery. That's the reality. See, because they need hearings.
You know what comes up, Well, you gotta give reparations. Oh,
when you have hearing us brought a whole lot of things,

(45:34):
you shake the trees. Legislation also creates wealth. You do
don't know that, don't you? Buther Well Nelson, legislation always
creates wealth. Don't never create wealth for black folks. That's
why when they uh hand picked these state senators and
representaters to go out there, we're not supporting them. Some

(45:55):
some some uh some business interest supports them. But the
problem with citizens is is that we don't support them.
If we supported them, also you can keep them halfway honest.
So I deal in the world of reality.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Man.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
I'm very pragmatic in approaching life, and I'm saying right now,
you've got to be a damn fool to continue to
sit back and watch this evil grow on us and
guess what I can do something about it? Hearings, hearings,
and that needs to be the echoing call. America's problem

(46:32):
is arrogance. It's vanity, It's perversiveness has put it in
this position. That's the ve's the theological truths. But we
got to live. We got to live in this world
where human beings. There's only one race, mister, human race
at the end of the day. But once again, as

(46:54):
a Black American citizen, I said, man, you know what
black folk, I say, this country again them up hearing.
That's an intelligent thing. That's not why come you don't
hear me. You're afraid to have hearings. But Nelson, that's

(47:15):
just accent hear and put it in writing this on paper, you.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Right there pasted the ways we're gonna check the traffic
and weather in our different cities. But let me ask
you this and I'll let you respond to it we
get back. You call it for hearings. Is there when
you have the hearings. I know you're going to set
it up because you share that twenty twenty different levels
of violence including domestic violence and terrorism and all that
kind of violence as well violence in schools, all of that.

(47:41):
So you're gonna have hearings and you're gonna have a
breakdown of a specialist to deal with those issues. But
what's the follow up after the hearings? What do you
have a plan? What do we do after the hearings?
And I'll let you respond when we get back. But
as I mentioned, it's four minutes away from the top
of our family, just join us. I guess his pastor
Anthony Williams out of Chicago's an activists past in our
crusade for years now to get violence declared a natural disaster,

(48:04):
and he wants to you know, he wants the federal
government to take up He's calling for hearings, federal hearings
to be held in Illinois, his state, and you know,
for us to come up with and tackle this issue
of violence. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six numbers of calls? Speak
to Pastor Williams. We'll take your phone calls that we
check the news, traffic and weather in our different cities.

(48:25):
That's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your
week with us. I guess the Chicago activists Pastor Anthony Williams,
he's calling for federal hearings on folence a moment. Tell
her we will speak with Bill competent and we will
talk about music, the music of the season. But Pastor Williams, again,
my question to you is, after so is successful in
getting these federal hearings, what next? After the hearings?

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Man, then you get your senator. The person to hold
here is to introduce legislation. Once you had it, here
is the next lef legislation, legislation signed, and pray how
they can do it executive order. Then what happens is
your public prices are laid out for your legislation. That's

(49:09):
how you're able to make the change. And the perfect
example was an authentic civil rights movement. You know at
the King got killed. Man, I watched in Chicago as
a boy, growing over as a teenager, people start hustling
civil rights, same thing with this violence piece. They hustle it.
You have all these so called organizations out here supposed

(49:30):
to stop violence, and they can't throw rights in a
wedding because you don't know what you're dealing with and
you're dealing with it in an incorrect way. And when
you talk about this violence money that the federal government
is given out, especially under Biden, etc. When I looked
around in the black community in Chicago, you got two
white men that get all the money. Two white organizations

(49:54):
primarily white folks, get to half of the money for
violence prevention. Man. So you're talking about big business. Yeah,
So you you see with let the slay. You redirect
the funding. In Chicago, you had got an organization called
the Crown Foundation. You can google that up, folks, the
Crown Foundation. The Crown was a being there got killed

(50:14):
in a driving a race car on the sixty first
birthday and crashed and killed yourself. But he wanted to
address the issue of violence. Well, Chris Gerr and the
mayor of Chicago, all of them got together and met
and they cut that money up so they can deal
with this issue politically. You cannot deal with this issue politically.

(50:35):
It's not you don't. It's it's none of them. I say, politically,
it's not a political issue. It's not a political issue
like that. It's a it's a human rights issue. You
got to deal with it. It's a disease. With dealing
with the disease. And so the whole approach has been
it's been backwards. I've been watching for you been backwards.

(50:57):
And then when you try to talk with a lot
of these elected officials, you know they'll tell you anything
they think you want to hear. But I understand what
you're doing. We need those hearings. America will be a
better place, a safer place, if we have these hearings
and address the issue of violence correctly. I mean address
it correctly. Like I said, we ain't looking for utopia,

(51:20):
but I'll tell you what our future generations will appreciate us.

Speaker 9 (51:24):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah, so let me ask you this, pastors, before we
let you go. What's the next move? Do you need
people to help you as you get the governor on
board or Dick Durbin? Do you want people to call
his office? What's needed?

Speaker 5 (51:38):
What we're posting around Illinois? And I thank you for
allowing us to have an opportunity to get voice. So
when people hear this show, listening to this show, uh,
they will have clarity in terms of what we're saying.
We're asking people to call Dick Derwin's office and support

(51:58):
the hearings on American violence as a public care crisis,
crisis and disease with a national plan of civility. That's
real simple for them and this don't cost nobody nothing.
Call his office, talk about this. You know, thank you

(52:20):
for this show because in Chicago, you know they're trying
to muzzle this, but we can't. But see God knows
what he's doing. I thank God for your brother Nelson
for this opportunity because people need to know that there
are people who are out here diligently working for this

(52:41):
cause and they don't get paid. They do it because
they love life, They love they people, they love their community,
love the country. I mean, I have respect for America.
It ain't what it ought to be. But I tell
you what I sometimes I say, Man, Man, I thank
God for people like King Man Hey boh be on

(53:01):
the back of the bus colored water found who that reality?
That's mind bogglings have lived in that reality. Well, we
got to keep doing what's right. And like King will say,
it's always right to do what's right, and now's the
time to do what's right. And all I'm trying to
do is a citizen, get these hearings. Ask people to understand,

(53:23):
we had these hearings. You're gonna learn a lot and
you're gonna make America a better place. We need these hearings.
We are too uncivil in this nation. And any time
your government is uncivil, then what do you expect of
the citizens?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Gotcha? So how do we reach your pastor Williams? How
can folks reach if they want to help you in
this in this crusade that you started.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
People can people can make a civil call to me
at every coach seven o eight sixt' nine oh five
three three nine seven o eight sixt' nine oh five
three nine. Now, you know, people like to gossip and
do all kinds of stuff and talk about stuff. We

(54:07):
want people to really try to talk this up, sause
we got to talk this up. See, we got to
talk this up. You know, a closed mouth does not
get fed. We have to talk this up. If you
for your own self interests, this is important for your
own selfish interests. These hearings are important because it makes

(54:27):
life better for you, It makes life better for your family.
This is a matter of life and death. You know,
we need to address the issue and the times. The
time is right to do it right now. So talking's
over with. I just do what I have to do
and get out here and do the work. So just

(54:47):
people want people to know, educate people, and we just
want to continue to push your own Burbon and those
who believe in the power of prayer, we ask that
you be praying, but we're gonna keep on working, all right.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Thank you, Pastor Williams, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
God bless everybody.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Peace, all right, that's past to Anthony Williams out Chicago again.
He started a crusade decades ago for about violence. He said,
said twenty levels of violence. Never thought about that, the
twenty levels of violence. But that's what he shared with
us this morning. And he's calling for the federal hearings,
and he's asking his Senator Dick Durbin to host those hearings,
and he wants them held in Illinois. What are your thoughts? Family,

(55:28):
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six.
I keep that number handing your needed for our next guest,
who happens to be a music historian, Bill Carver to
Bill grand Rising, Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Good morning, How are you doing.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I'm still learning, Bill, I'm still learning. I know I'm
going to learn a lot of stuff from you as
well this morning as we talk about the music for
the season, Bill, help us out here. When when did
our folks start singing about Christmas? Do you have any
how far back.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Do you go?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Do you think it goes?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (55:55):
You threw me for a loop with that. What I
wasn't expecting that question.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
But as far as you can recollect You know, we
all know that the Christmas songs, when you know the
standard ones, they get played all the time. But I
was trying to figure out if you knew when the
first one got played? Who was it? Or were we
singing in it, or were they you know, under a
different brand, a different name.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
No, to be honest with you, I think pretty much Christmas.

Speaker 10 (56:28):
I can be corrected.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
And I love that your audience always has amateur scholars
out there who can chip in. But I really think
during World War Two is when the marketing of Christmas
really kicked off. Like I do remember, like the Rudolph
the Red Nosed Reindeer song was part of an advertising

(56:52):
campaign for some department store that was big at that time.
I don't want to say what it was. I don't remember,
but I do remember that, you know. I think it
was something to help those families where the father was
overseas or at a some depots somewhere, to help the

(57:19):
kids feel good, you know, since father is gone and
all this kind of thing. That's all I can think
of right now, But I can think of Christmas songs
going back to the forties, in nineteen forties, in early fifties, like.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
The kids did.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
Christmas song Santa Baby was nineteen fifty three.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Well yeah, but the first, according to my Google research,
some of the first Christmas songs in black community where
there were the spirituals like Rise Up Shepherd and following okay,
Sweet Little Jesus Boy, go telling on the Mountain. Those
kinds of songs were very popular before Charles Brown in

(58:04):
nineteen sixty came up with the song Please Come Home
for Christmas.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
And that song actually came out before that. That was
a remake in sixty. It was well, yeah, he had
done that earlier.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Well see, that was considered one of the first black recordings.
What about James Brown and Santa Claus Goes straight to
the ghentto.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Remember that?

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Yeah, I remember that, and.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
That's considered among the first Christmas songs record.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
I would not say that was because that was that
would have been the nineteen maybe the late late late sixties, right, yeah.
And there and there were you know, Nat King Coles
the Christmas song you know, Chess MutS Roasting was way
before that, and he did he recorded that song two
or three times because you know, he started off with

(58:55):
the trio. I think you did it with the naking
cole trio and it sounded certain way. Then he did
it a different way in the fifties, and then he
did it once more in the sixties with like with
a Nelson riddle orchestra or something like that.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Right, did he ever do it on his TV show that,
you know, his short lived TV show.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
I don't know he might have.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Well, we've got the entre you sent us from Kandy State,
and would you like.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
To do Yeah, tell us about the song first before
Kevin Placy built, how did Candy did When did she
get into doing a Christmas song?

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Yeah? Well, it was.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
Literally about the year two thousand and somebody asked her
to do a Christmas song on a TV show and
she just started. She was just sitting in the mall
one day when the question came. She just started looking
at people walking and that's how she started to write

(01:00:01):
the song. It's called Christmas in My Heart. It's not
a gospel song. It's just a Christmas song about watching
people in the mall. You know, the way they dress, sayings,
they talk about what they're looking forward to doing so and.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
It has a little.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
Little bluesy kind of you know. Kevin mentioned Charles Brown
a little bit of a Charles Brown kind of flavored
to it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
So that's how that came about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Well, here it is by Kandy State and Christmas in
my Heart.

Speaker 11 (01:00:50):
I don't have to wait on the twenty feet of December.
I don't have to wait for the lies to see.

Speaker 12 (01:01:07):
I don't have to.

Speaker 13 (01:01:08):
Wait for the holidays spearit.

Speaker 11 (01:01:16):
And presents.

Speaker 8 (01:01:19):
Under the tree.

Speaker 11 (01:01:24):
I don't have to wait.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
For the Caroline.

Speaker 13 (01:01:30):
Singing, so the word can say of hardy day east.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Of course, I've got Christmas.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
In my heart.

Speaker 14 (01:01:58):
I love to hear.

Speaker 11 (01:02:01):
The chield Dreans.

Speaker 14 (01:02:03):
Leapt, see the old foot walking in the malls, trying
to decide.

Speaker 11 (01:02:17):
On crees must presence to get.

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
Too long and all.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
And then I think about the reason for the season.
Christ was born to give us a brand new student.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Because so, Bill, did you talk to a candy stating
about that yourself?

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
The end results, Oh yeah, yeah, I talked to her
back then about it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
I helped promote it, and I co wrote the song
on the album for her that she was looking for stuff.
So I wrote a little something and she fixed it
up and put it on there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Christmas in my Heart, Yeah, yeah, I always believe that
if an act wants to be immortal, they do a
Christmas song. So you know, now we'll be playing this
right now, we'll be playing this the rest of the year.
Does she have an album that goes with this?

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Yeah, that's the name of the album. All right. Yeah,
it's been out since twenty the year twenty twenty, twenty
two thousand, the year two thousand, that's when it came out.
It's been out twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Man, my family just joining us with Bill comments, I
guess he's a music historian. We're talking about the music
of the season. What are your thoughts? He got even
songs that you have, the music scenes that you like it,
maybe the tempts or is mentioned that can call song
or whoever who's got a Christmas song? What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six on take your phone calls for Bill next, Grand

(01:04:06):
Rising Family. Thanks starting your week with us. At twenty
one minutes after the top of they are we have
historian music and story. I'm Bill Carpenter with us and
Kevin's also jowing us. We're talking about music and music
for the season. And even if you're not into Christmas.
Some of you got with me. Some of these songs
are pretty nice. I mean, we talked about n King
Call song of the Christmas Song, we talked about the
temps Silent Night, and then there's a whole bunch of

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other songs out there. It's just the flavor which they're delivered.
So let me ask you this Bill, your thoughts on
these songs, because obviously when they create let's take Candy
for instance, her song that we just played recently, do
they wait till the Christmas period to record the song
to get that feeling or is it done let's say,

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in the summertime or after Christmas? Get how do you
get into that groove to do a Christmas song if
it's not done at Christmas? Is Bill still willis?

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:05:24):
Turn up all the lights we can thinks the life
we made it through there and we are all right.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
So we said.

Speaker 11 (01:05:36):
Christmas Show overflows overple lights.

Speaker 14 (01:05:40):
We can thinks blind were made there and we are.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Christmas Show overflow.

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
Call a friend you have, let's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
See chose some kindie.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Away from the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Song whereby sums by Sherwin Gardener, it's called a new
song called Christmas Joy. I No I don't think they
change the format of the radio station. We play music. No,
we're discussing music. It's discussing the music for the season.
We build carbon day's music and story and do we
have build back with us? It's line drops. We got
to get built back because you know Christmas music is

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You've got to have that flavor and you can tell.
And I think that the question I asked him before
we lost him was the fact that it's candy because
he worked on Candy Station's Candy Staten's album Christmas production.
Was he done during the Christmas season or was it
done in the summertime or after Christmas? Because I feel
like you got to get that vibe you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
To be honest with you, people do it all times.
The best time is to do it so that you
can because usually they market it starting in August, because
you noticed you'll start seeing Christmas trees and stuff, wars
and things in September even before Halloween sometimes, so the

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best but people can do what do it whenever they want.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Some people do.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
I remember one year Whitney Houston had the idea to
go in and do her Christmas album in like October
and they had it out by first or second week
in December, but usually people try to do it earlier
so that they can, you know, roll out a marketing
plan to make people aware of it because the public.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
Is very biased.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
They only want to hear this Christmas by Donnie Hashaway
or Silent Knight by the Tempts or Nat King Cole
Brenda Lee Rock and around. They there's there's a dozen
songs that they've become they fallen in love with, and
they don't want to veer from that playlist. So you
got to really convince them to give something else a

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new a new listen. That's why it's so amazing that
like Mariah Careyes All I Went for Christmas has become
so big twenty five years ago because you know, at
the time that she did that, it was considered old
school to do a Christmas album. You do a Christmas

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album when your careers did that was the sinking at
that time. Of course, now all kinds of people doing
Christmas albums because their careers aren't dead. You know, it
creates a new audience for you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Actually, yeah, we already got to vote for Donnie Halfway's
song is the best Christmas song. I don't know what
you fellas feel it's the best Christmas song, but somebody vote,
says Donnie Hathaway.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
You guys agree, it's a great song.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
It's certainly a great story behind the song. You know
the story, right, No, oh, just okay. Donnie had a
business partner and he was having his office renovated and
the guy and he was talking, and the guy that

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was doing the renovation was listening, you know, doing the work,
but listening to Donnie talk to the guy and they
were talking about he wanted to do a Christmas song.
And the guy said, my girlfriend writes songs. You you
should listen to one of her songs. And so Donnie said, okay,

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So he introduced her. Introduced Donnie to his girlfriend. Her
name was Nadine. That don't remember her last name, but
she wrote the lyrics for this Christmas and by and
Donnie created the music, and she was if I if
I'm not mistaken. She worked for the post office.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
And that song came out.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
It was not an it was not e immediately a hit.
It really wasn't a massive hit until after he passed away,
and passed away in seventy nine, I think, But over
the years it's become something much bigger than it was
during his lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Wow, what a story will help us out here. So
in twenty seven minutes at the Top Down Family talking
about the music of the season with Music Store and
Bill Carment, she wrote the song. So does she still
getting paid on that song now after all these years?

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:10:31):
Yes, And actually if you google, there have been stories
on her talking about how much she might have made
and that type of thing. But yeah, there are definitely
stories out there on her, and she has gotten paid.
But you know, that's the only hit song she's ever

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contributed to. And the payment basically comes one time a
year for that because it's one quarter the ASCAP bm
I C spack they pay in quarters, and so the
Christmas music anything in this quarter, you probably get paid

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next July because there's a window. It's like a six
month delay something like that. But yeah, she gets paid
for that, all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Right, help us out with the time Silent Night? Do
they get paid on that or is that in the
public domain?

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
Oh no, that's not in the public domain. See, this
is the thing. A lot of people don't realize any
song that is in the public domain when you do
a new arrangement of it. The songwriter, producer, whoever does
a new copyright on that arrangement. Now, in the case
of the Temptations, a lot of people don't realize this.

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That's not their first version of Style at Night, the
one where Melvin's doing the deep baritone and I think
it's Gerard, Oh gosh, Leonard, Gerard Leonard is doing the
high high notes. They did a version of that in
nineteen seventy that Eddie Kendricks things totally different arrangement. Then

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in nineteen eighty, when Gerard had well, there was a
guy in the middle named Damon Harris who took Eddie's place,
and then Gerard took Damon's place because Damon had gotten
out of control and got kicked out of the group.
So they did that new version and Otis Williams worked

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with Gil Askey, who was an arranger, and they came
up with that new arrangement with Melvin doing that deep baritone,
Gerrard doing the tenor, and Dennis Edwards doing you know,
pretty much the main part. And that's only from nineteen
eighty and just people forgot the one they did ten

(01:13:05):
years before that. But that's the one that's stuck, and
I have to admit that's the better one.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Of the two.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Oh wow, didn't I know that. I can't recall the
one before either, So that's one before.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
It's almost like a walk.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a nice slow paced with Eddie
Kendrick's on the lead vocals and the rest of the
group is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Kind of humming in the background.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Yeah, it is a nice version.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
But I've got admit I love the Dennis Edwards and
we call him Glenn Leonard though he's from around this area,
we call him Glinton.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
I don't know if Gerard is his first name or what.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
No, No, that that's just me being wrong. Oh that's
all that is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
No, I tht we were just calling him Glenn, but
I knew it was a g R. Yeah, and he was.
He was happy as all get out when that part,
when that came out.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
And and so a lot of people think that's Eddie.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
They don't realize that's not Eddie, right, you know a
lot of the younger people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Yeah, m hm, you know, I thought it was Eddie myself. Actually,
I thought I thought that was Eddie doing this thing.
So that it's a great cover for for Glenn Linard.
I remember the name too, Glenn Leonard, uh talk to
us about Mariah Carey because her seems to her song
seems to be at the top of the charts all

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the time every Christmas season. How did how did that?
Do you know how that came about?

Speaker 15 (01:14:38):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Do you know what if they're still now with the
streaming effect, she's still making the same amount of money
that she made when you know, before we had CDs
and albums.

Speaker 6 (01:14:47):
She's making way more money because the song is such
a catchy song. And it's sort of funny that some
of the songs they try to create that sixties slavor
when new artists do. Not that she's a new artist,
but I'm just saying when they think of Christmas, they

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think of that feel good fifties sixties vibes. Everybody tries
to make a song like that, and that's what she
was doing because on that same album, she did a
remake of a Darlene Love song called All I Want
for Christmas Is You. But then she came up with
her own song that had the same kind of slaver

(01:15:29):
and that's the one that Columbia Records really pushed and
it stuck. I have to admit I had that album
when it first came out, But every year they have marketed,
just like every year Capitol Records remarkets not King Cole.
So this may be a little in the week for

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some listeners. But when your music gets played on the radio,
Let's say, during a normal week, number one record might
have two thousand detections on the radio. During Christmas, a
song like All I Want for Christmas might have ten
thousand detections on the radio. Many radio stations played it

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ten thousand times versus two thousand times. That's why I
say you can make so much more money with a
hit Christmas song. You think about Jose Feliciano Salis Navidad
or which a lot of black stations play that song.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Oh yeah, twenty seven away from the top of that
our family, we're talking about the music of the season.
With the music history and Bill Karmada, Bill, what about
the Jackson five Christmas album? Stevie is Christmas Aven? They
did those Christmas songs before the voice is changed. You know,
you listen to them, you can tell the difference with Michael.
You know, it's all the way up there is Stevin
the same thing when you hit them out. Your thoughts

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on those two albums, they're Christmas albums. We lost Bill again.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Oh sorry, Carl, I look over there.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Bill has gone to me down them up very quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Twenty six minutes away from the top of some technical
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to get that fixed for you. Twenty six minutes away
from the top, they are with with Bill competents. They

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mentioned he's a music historian. We're talking around the music
of the season. It's a special season, even if you're
not into Christianity and all that. So some of you
got to some of the music sounds real good. He
talked about not King Cole Donny Donny Hathaway song. Somebody
voted that as the best Christmas song. Somebody some folks
like Nat King Cole. You know they need love King Cole.

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We get Bill bag Bid.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah, but you know when you hear Naki go okay
it's Christmas, doesn't feel like it's Christmas. You're right, and
hear that kid call all these strings things hit you man? Yeah,
but you know what that can call Kevin. Listen to
his his phrasing, his voice, and he completes every word.
You know, that's that's so amazing because a lot of

(01:18:21):
things today don't do that. You know a lot of
people even speak, don't even every family. Just check it
out next you gotta get to get a chance to
hear uh that king calls the Christmas on this season.
Just listen to the phrase and listen to how he
completes every single word, crosses the t's. I mean, it's
it's just amazing. It's enunciation as a be Yeah thoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
Another one who's like that is Della Ree. She doesn't
have a Christmas song that I know, but she states
every word.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Right and and and and you it sort of stands out,
you know, it's it's like, wow, he completes every every
single word. You can hear every letter in every word
to that song. That's what's so amazing to me. On
that song, you know we played a song showing Gardners
Christmas joy. Well, yeah, yeah, can you tell us about that?

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
Bill Well Sherwin is from Trinidad and last year he
put out a song just for TikTok, just to say,
you know, happy New Year to his fans, and it
was called Blessing sign Me Here. And the song turned

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out to be a massive hit. It wasn't even it
was just a TikTok post. It became he did like
a million streams on it in the first week. So
he said, I've got to turn this into a song.
So he turned it into a song and then the
song has since then gotten over two billion TikTok's you

(01:19:56):
fifty million regular.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
Streams. And so he wanted to do it. He's been
out here, he's.

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
Been out here thirty years and never had a hit
like this. So he decided to do a Christmas album,
uh you know, Caribbean Christmas album. And so the title
song is called Christmas Joy and it's just a feel
good song. You know, you feel like it might be
you know they say the weather outside side is frightful

(01:20:28):
or whatever, but it makes you feel warm during what
can be a cold time. And so it's just a
little fun song that he wrote me and it's a
whole album of that type of music though.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Gotcha Hey, listen, we got to check the newest traffick
and we come back though a sign from Christmas. We
lost to another artist yesterday and Carl Colton Man once
you talk about Carl Carlton and had a couple of
hits and he had promised he had stroke issues and
he passed away. And we will also talk more about
the Christmas music as well. Family, you want to join
this conversation with Bill Carpenter, reach out to us at

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eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we take your phone calls after the news that's next
and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with
us at fifteen minutes away from the top day, are
we talking about the music for the season with Bill Compenter.
Bill is a music history I've heard him here before.
Before we go back to the let me just remind you.
Coming up later this morning, we're going to speak with
former vice presidential candidate and one of the original founders

(01:21:25):
of Black Lives Matter. That will be doctor Melina Abdullah.
Before we talk to her, though, we have a conversation
with Baltimore civil rights activist Carl Snowden. And coming up
later this week, we're going to hear from chematologist's brother
Tony Browner made a physician doctor b also a grea
Baba Lamobo. Will all be here, So if you are
in Baltimore, make sure you keep you read of tuning
real tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in

(01:21:47):
the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, Bill, before
we'll left for the news update, I'll ask you about
this passing of Carl Calton. I just wanted to pick
your brain about Carl Kalten because I just remember it.
She's a bad mammajama hits.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
Yeah. Yeah, he actually had quite a few hits. They
just people just don't remember them because radio stations tend
to pick the hit that they're going to keep playing
sometimes everybody, you know, Like he had a call I
Won't let that Chunk Break your Heart, you know, just.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
A wild title.

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
But uh, but he also had a big song called
ever Last of Love. But what's interesting to me about
him is, uh, he got started around the same time
as Stevie Wonder and he's from Detroit. So when he
first hit the scene, he was known as Little Carl
Carlton and he just he just kept with it into
his adult years and then he really hit paid her.

(01:22:49):
When you remember Leon Haywood, the producer, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he produced She's a Bad Well, he wrote She's a
Bad Mamma Jama. But guess guess who played keyboards on
the George Duke and whose background vocals James Ingram.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (01:23:08):
So that song had a lot of talent around it
and that really set him up. It was number one
for a couple of weeks on the R and B charts,
and it really and actually I got to meet him.
I was on tour well, I mean I was Candy

(01:23:30):
State and was on a tour with him about two
thousand and eight in England, and I met Carl and
his wife and he was a character. He was a jokester,
he was hilarious. Billy Paul was on that tour too,
and Billy Paul used to see him. They used to
have this bet because you know, Carl had gotten a

(01:23:51):
little out of shape, but he would do these splits
and she's a bad Mamma Jama. And so Billy would
be making bets with some of the other singers that
he won't be able to get back up tonight. And
there's one particular night he went down and he couldn't get.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
Back up, and it was just hilarious.

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
But he played it off. He made a joke of it.
Great sense of humor, you know, really nice guy. It's
sad that he you know, he had that stroke a
few years ago and didn't really recover from it. But
really fun person.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Yeah, Carl Colton was seventy two and let me just
share a game with the family.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
And the other talk show we did in La, they
always tell us play a song to reflect the guests
that we had on the show because they were because
we're rolling into the music the morning show, and they
wanted to keep the audience for the morning show and
you know something they figured their listeners would stick around for.
And so She's a bad Mamma jam That was a
maximum water song. That was the anthem we have. Yeah,

(01:25:05):
yes she is. And also Claude and its will showing
me the way, the Jackson's and Williams Yeah armshean Williamson
check us out, uh Kevin and Bill Armstrong. Williams song
was I'm your Puppet James and body.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Yeah, you know, and what we do is let the audience,
you know, say what what kind of what kind of song?
How do you describe this guest? What do you think
they've come up with a songnce we fish about and
play them at the end of the program. You know
it was it was hilarious, but it was all we thought.
It was fun. There's a way to keep that audience
over into the morning because it helped Bill the Morning

(01:25:46):
show them and that was what I was trying to do. Yeah,
but that's the technique we used. Ten away for the time.

Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
Be gus.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
The folks want to talk to you. Bill Sheriff is
calling us from Baltimore. She's online too, Grand Rising Sherry
On with Bill Carpenter.

Speaker 16 (01:25:58):
I definitely enjoy your program so much, Curl, especially when
you discuss music, because I have a lot of Original
forty five in the fifties and sixties. And when you
mentioned one of your guests mentioned Della Resee, I remember
that song she said, don't you know I'm falling in
love with you? She does enunciate her words just like that,
King Coles, I definitely agree with that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Della was she was really she's really underrated. She became
so popular as an actress. A lot of people forgot
that she was a really great singer for sure.

Speaker 16 (01:26:33):
But this program is just delightful whenever you discuss music
and your other guests.

Speaker 8 (01:26:37):
I just love your station.

Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
I've made I moved back to Baltimore.

Speaker 16 (01:26:41):
I used to live up towards your way. I understand
you're in Silver Spring, but I'm back living in Charms
City and loving.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
It all right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Thanks Harry, thanks your call.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
You're welcome an away from top A.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Let's stay in Baltimore. Charles is calling this he's online
three Grand Rise and Charles, you' only Bill Comver there?

Speaker 12 (01:27:01):
Good morning. It said, Yes, I'm hoping somebody could tell
me how to market and cover a wonderful album that
came from Trinidad. The author was the Reverend Arnold Harrison,
and that sung by Claudine George and Donald Humphrey. Unfortunately,

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although gospel apparently is the one genre of music that's
still making money, people tend to those albums tend to
be popular and get lots of hits.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
So the right of the.

Speaker 12 (01:27:35):
Album is there. We've inherited the rights to it and
would like to find some American person to cover it.
American public didn't want to hear the Trinity Accents and
sunned it. But it's a great album with twelve original tunes,
lyrics and composed by lyricists by Arnold Harrison Bill.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
Than you talking me about.

Speaker 6 (01:28:01):
Yeah, to promote that album or to do new versions
of the same music, Well, there's one.

Speaker 12 (01:28:09):
In the box with twelve dunes in it that didn't sell.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
You know, we.

Speaker 12 (01:28:14):
Freshed thousands of discs and distributed them, but it didn't
get much airplay even locally, and that we'd like somebody
to cover it because they will be a super hits.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
Well, you know, if there's a certain artist that you
think it sounds good, you would just try to reach
out to whoever their management is and pitch it to them.
That's how that works, that's you know. I remember there's
a man named Paul Jabbara who was a struggling songwriter
and he had this song he wanted Donna Summer to make,

(01:28:50):
and he couldn't get any attention from her record label,
her management, and he followed her. She was somewhere and
he followed her to the bathroom, and of course I
don't recommend this today, but he blocked her in the
bathroom and said I won't let you out until you

(01:29:11):
hear my song. So she listened to it and she
loved it. And it's called Last Dance. And if I'm
not mistaken, the song won an Oscar because it was
in the movie Thank God It's Friday. Wow. That's the
extremes you have to go to to get established artists

(01:29:31):
to hear your music.

Speaker 12 (01:29:34):
Is there an online marketplace where some where a way
to market this.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
I'm not sure about that. There is something that's on
the tip of my memory, not my tongue. United Masters, Google,
United Masters. I think they do something similar to what
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Let me jump in and ask this question else and Charles,
I thank you for your call. Bill's going to give
his information because you guys seem to know you can
talk about this after, but because it's it seems like
a different direction. But let me ask you this, Bill,
what Charles is talking about about as gap after? Those
those companies, those licensing companies are all it's all music
all over the world license. How do you you know

(01:30:19):
if you could put out a record, how does that
process work?

Speaker 6 (01:30:22):
Well? You you you sign up as a songwriter or
writer or a publisher, like if you don't write songs,
but you just published them. You would sign up and
you register your songs and ASKAP BM, my CE SEC.
They they they collect your royalties from all over the world.

(01:30:45):
And just like in each country has their own publishing,
like I know in South Africa, No, no, in France
it's called sat SAM, it's s a CE.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Let's see s A C E m uh.

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
South Africa has its own publishing. It's called a Performing
Rights Organization. And in Britain it's pr O. I mean
PRS PRS. It stands for something. I don't remember exactly
what it stands for, but it's PRS.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
So that's what you would do.

Speaker 6 (01:31:24):
And they're books on this. There's a book called Everything
You Need to Know About Music has been out probably
forty years and they upgraded every few years to be current.
Anyone who wants to be an entrepreneur in music and
do it there themselves. All they need is that book

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will tell them where they need to register things, how
you need to get an isr C code. You know,
every song that gets played on the radio, like She's
a Bad Mamajama, the Christmas song, there's the same called
the is r C code, which is like the song's
social Security code. That's how you ensure the writer in

(01:32:10):
the record label get paid by attaching that is art
sea code to the song. Everyone has its own specific one,
just like all of us have our own social Security number.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
All right, I tell you, well, we come from a breaker.
I check the traffic and weather in our different cities,
and we've got a tweet question for you. But also
Kevin has a song that you send it. Brian Andrews Wilson,
Are you lonely tonight?

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Kevin, can you play that? Take us to the break
with that song?

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
All I got is Sherwan Gardner and Kandy State.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
All right, Okay, we didn't get that one. Okay, all right,
I'll tell you what. It's too late now, we ran
out of time. But there's a question for you, Bill, Bill,
this grand rising to you and your guests. Ask your
guest about the whispers Christmas music was a success. And
I'll let you respond when we get back, because I
mentioned we got to step aside and get caught up
with the traffic and weather in that different cities. Family,

(01:33:07):
you want to join this conversation with Bill Carmerdon. We're
talking about the music and the history of music, especially
the music of the season. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we're taking phone calls. After the traffic and weather
the momentary, we're going to speak with Carl Snowden, Carl Stons,
the civil rights activist in Baltimore, and we're going to
talk about the silence, this sort of deafening from the

(01:33:30):
major civil rights groups when when it when it concerns
these attacks from Donald Trump, they've been really silent. But
we're so going to finish up with Bill talk about
the music that we hear in the music of the season,
because interesting enough, you know, we people are the same
which song Christmas song? And they like the best and
some said the Tempts, and some of course have said
nat can call song, and I guess it depends on

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what generation you are. You know, where would you know?
Because for me, like I like I do like, I
like the Tempts, I like the early Jackson's and Steve's
early songs because they were younger and just hear there
were children ing these songs. So all of that was interesting.
But Bill, your question, the question the tweeters questions about

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the Whispers.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
The Whispers have done two Christmas albums, and I think
her question.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
Was did they perform well?

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:24):
In fact, I actually work with the Whispers now, and
their version of Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas did
two hundred thousand streams last week. That's how we judged things.
Since people don't buy a physical product that much. It's
streaming very well. The old Christmas music they have a

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version of this Christmas you know, the Donnie Hasaway song.
They have their version of that that does very well.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
So they do very well. I finish all year round myself.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
I want to talk about yeah, the emotions.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
Yeah, yeah, the emotions. What did the Lonely do with Christmas?
H Carlo Thomas, Gee Wizards Christmas, Isaac Hayes, Winter Snow.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
I like all of that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
I listened to it in July when it's ninety degrees.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I ask you this about the streaming thing, though, how
accurate is that? Bill?

Speaker 8 (01:35:31):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
Streaming is very accurate because it's.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
What sometimes isn't accurate is is YouTube because you can
manipulate that. But you can't manipulate Apple and Amazon because
they're not gonna let you moipu manipulate them and make
them pay royalties they don't want to pay. So it
is a very exact thing when it comes to streaming
through the Apple Music, the Amazon, Amazon Music, Pandora, all

(01:36:03):
those titles, all those sites are very they they have
safeguards to make sure people aren't cheating.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
But what about if you're you're somewhere, you know, Thailand
or somewhere in Australia or somewhere.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
All that count All that counts.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
But how do they how that's my question. How do
they know that some guy in Bangkok is playing your
song and is streaming it? How do they? How do
they know?

Speaker 6 (01:36:31):
Because all of these companies have headquarters in those countries.
These are international companies, they're not you. Apple is probably
the only Apple and Amazon are probably the only ones
that are in the US. Spotify is a Swedish company. Uh,
most of these companies have they're set up all overseas

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to because there are people in those countries subscribing to
the service.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
And that was my question, and I think you addressed
this earlier. So you have to once you make a record,
you've got to subscribe to one of to one of
these publishing companies.

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's considered. You register your company with
them so that you know, and they have your payment,
your ach payment information and all this stuff, so they
send they don't even send a check anymore. The money
goes directly into your account.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Oh wow, that's really really sick.

Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
You know, when we first started talking, I had mentioned
Fanta Baby. You know, Eartha Kit passed some years ago,
but I'm sure her family, her daughter Kit is getting
her royalties from that song, which is such a classic.
But when it first came out, it was controversial because
think about what she's saying. She's talking about saying she's

(01:37:57):
using her sensuality, her sexuality to get a sable coat,
to get a yacht and all these things.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
And the song got.

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
Banned in southern states because it seemed like that's not
the way a woman shit talk, and certainly not a
black woman in the nineteen fifties, you know. But then
look at how the song is evolved, you know, all
these younger artists covering the song, like the caller who
wanted someone to cover the.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
Caribbean music he has.

Speaker 6 (01:38:30):
It just shows you how things evolve and change. What
was once considered controversial is now considered a Christmas classic.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Yeah. Let me ask you this though, how about the
hip hop generation. Do we have a lot of hip
hop Christmas songs? Or did they collide with that? I
guess being tough, there are few.

Speaker 15 (01:38:54):
There are few.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
I mean, I mean they're just tough Christmas songs. I
don't remember the title, but I remember Curtis blue Cat one.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
That I used to like.

Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
I just can't think of the title right now. But
most of the major what they usually do is they'll
do a compilation where whoever the artist is does one track,
but they might not have enough to do a whole
album by themselves. But I have seen some hip hop
from major artists. I don't want to call them out

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because I haven't thought about it in a while, but
it is out there. I know Curtis blow Is one,
but I think I think.

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
The later this, you know the gangster rappers does, is
that is that that messure the persona to do a
Christmas album?

Speaker 6 (01:39:44):
No, because if they if they do it, they're going
to do it their way. They're going to celebrate, celebrate
it from the angle that looks cool, you know, like
you know I stole a Christmas tree, you know whatever,
whatever whatever their philosophy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
You know, right, Yeah, I'll say that question for Professor
Griff when he comes up. Thank you, Bill, Thank you
for share. You'll always learn a lot.

Speaker 12 (01:40:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
You haven't talking about music, so thank you for sharing
your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
All right, family, that's Bill Comedy's a music historian. Always
to go to Bill when it comes to music, of
the history of music. He goes deep in the crates
for us eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. You're gonna eat this number. For our
next guest, Hampson be Karl Snowden. He's an activist, a
civil rights averrest in Baltimore. Karl Snowden, Grand Rising, Welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 6 (01:40:37):
Good morning, brother, how are you this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
I'm still learning, man, I'm still learning. I just learned
a whole lot from from Bill Comray about the music business,
so I hope to learn some more stuff from you
this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
All right, let's talk about it because there's been a
notable silence from the major civil rights group in response
to what's going on with Donald Trump and the Trump administration.
We'll being attacked left right, and it seems they've been quiet.
Is this something you've observed as well?

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Yes to quiet.

Speaker 9 (01:41:07):
In fact, last week, Donald Trump announced that there will
be no more free emissions to national parks on the
birthday of Martin Luther King Junior or June tenth. He
referred to both of those holidays as quote made up days.
And I've been surprised at the lack of response nationally

(01:41:27):
and locally to those kind of comments by Trump. Anyone
who knows anything about Junie Kingson, know anything about Martin
Luther King Jr.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
Know that those are not made up holidays, the holidays
that came.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
As a result of an incredible struggle on the part.

Speaker 9 (01:41:44):
Of black people to be recognized for the contributions they've
made not only to America but to the world. So
it was very disappointing to see how congression of black
hawker is not out on the forefront, really raising sand
But these comments that Trump has made, and the other
actions that Trump has done in here is allies that
really raised some very serious questions as to whether we

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frankly know what time it is. I'm often wondering aloud,
do people really understand where we are in twenty twenty five.
Do they really understand the current status that we as
a people are facing. And I think in the most
part there says no. I don't think people really understood
what happened in the presidential election of twenty twenty four.

(01:42:29):
And it's important for us to have people understand what
happened last year and what does it mean for the future.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
I meany just checking in a twelve after the top
of their cars known as a guest. He's a civil
rights activist in Baltimore, and like most of us, is
just feared. Where's our civil rights groups? Why are they
saying anything? We've been under attack since we got elected?
A week after week? Is something about us that he
goes after? And you mentioned the closing of those parks,
and yet still the part will building on his birthday

(01:43:00):
and we haven't heard any of our major civil rights
groups respond in the congression bank Calucus hasn't responded. A politicians,
so we know that we know what it means to
be a politician, but our civil rights groups, so I'm
just wondering, why do you think that they've been so silent?

Speaker 8 (01:43:16):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:43:16):
I think a number of things. One I really do
think that people still have not quite figured out what
happened last year in twenty twenty four in terms of
the presidential election, And I think that people are misreading
where we are. I think people think this is quote
a normal election. There's nothing normal but twenty twenty four
at all. In fact, if you were to ask people
listening to this program the following question, name the most

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revered African American person you know in history, living or dead.
Somebody might say it's Martin Luther King Jr. Somebody else
may say it's Barack Obama, somebody may say it's Mayangelo,
whoever they consider the most revered in American history. And
then you follow that up with this question. If Martin
Luther King Jr. Was running for president in twenty twenty four,

(01:44:01):
had been convicted of thirty four felons, had been found
liable for sexually assaulting a white woman, had been determined
to have told more than ten thousand lives, could have
been elected president of the United States, and the court.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
Answer would be no.

Speaker 9 (01:44:18):
In fact, if you ask African Americans listening to this program,
they cannot think of a single African American living or dead,
who if were faced with the same political baggage that
Trump was faced with in twenty twenty four, that they
could have won an election. And that tells us something
very clearly where we are most people on the way

(01:44:39):
of the fact that when Donald Tromp ran for president
in twenty sixteen, he got fifty four percent of all
white women who voted. In twenty twenty four, when he
ran against Vice President Harris, he got sixty percent of
all white women voting. So I think it's important for
people just to understand what time it is in America,
particularly it relates to people of in particular African Americans, and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
We have how do you let me jump in and
ask you this, Carl, how do you read that those
stats that you shared with us at fourteen after the
top there is this showing that American used sixty percent.
Are they supporting Donald Trump because they believe in what
he's saying and what he does or is it sixty
percent of them just straight out racist?

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:45:23):
I think Donald Trump, when it's all sitting done, When women,
particularly white women, went into the ballot box, they have
a choice.

Speaker 6 (01:45:30):
They could vote for.

Speaker 9 (01:45:31):
A woman with one endorsement of the AKA, or they
could one or they could support a man who got
the endorsement of the KKK. People who voted was clear
they understood what they were voting for. If they was
very clear when Donald Trump made it absolutely clear that
if he was elected to public office what he would do,
and he made it clear that he would move to

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dismantle the progress that we've made over the last fifty years.
And that's why I'm so disappointed not seeing the civil
rights organizations respond in the way we should be responding.
In fact, no King's movement across this country, which I
applaud if you look at that, it was made up
mostly majority of white people responding to thumping his nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Look sixteen other top edword take a show break when
we come back, though, let me ask you this question, though, Bill,
what about the black folks, the black Trump says, the
black maga people who support Donald Trump, and they're still
supporting today even after what he's done, what he said
he was going to do. And some people say, well,
I didn't believe me. I thought he was good, he
was good for you know, he's good for business. I thought,

(01:46:37):
you know, he turned the economy around. All of that
hasn't happened. All the lies, but they are still supporting
Donald Trump. So I'll let you respond to that when
we get back. Family YouTube can join our conversation with
Carl Snowone is the civil rights actress in Baltimore City.
Do you want to join? You just reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
six will take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family,

(01:46:59):
thanks for stumm You're week with us. Are twenty minutes
after tough of the Hoyt with the civil rights activist
Carl Snowden from Baltimore, and Carl is saying that he's
sort of shocked or concerned that all the things that
the attacks that we've been on it since Donald Trump
took office and we've seen no response. So it's just
absolutely nothing from civil rights groups, even the Congression Black Caucus,

(01:47:20):
the attack that we're going on to. So my question
to you, though, Carl, what about the black maggot? What
about them? What are they thinking?

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
Said?

Speaker 9 (01:47:31):
When I can put it well, Carl, I think if
anyone who takes a moment and review history, there's always
been an element in our community. It's just this is
not unusual, it's not new. I make the jokingly say
to people all the time that mental illness is not
restricted to any one group or one race at all.
And so some of the stuff we see that's going

(01:47:52):
on with certain black people who say they support.

Speaker 6 (01:47:55):
Trump, We're gonna understand.

Speaker 9 (01:47:57):
Mercenaries come in all kinds of colors. And the truth
of the matter is that some of those people, particularly
those who do the trolling on Facebook on social media,
they're being paid. They're no different than any other mercenary.
Mercenaries have no alliances to a nation, to a people.
It's all about money for them. And if you look

(01:48:17):
at the types of people that Trump has been able
to pull into his spear, it's people who are focused
on making money for themselves. In the case of Lot
the Wayne, he got a pardon by President Trump. And
there's no question in my mind why Lil Wayne, for example,
would be saying favorable things about Trump. He's out because

(01:48:39):
Trump pardoned him and the other people in that sphere
who frankly are being benefited from being part of the
Trump movement in terms of getting paid.

Speaker 6 (01:48:51):
And this is not unusual if one reads history and
one follows history, whether it was Malcolm X or Martin
Luther King Jenior or any other making leader many of
the worst enemies for people of color who were paid
to do certain things and they did what they did.
In fact, one of the things we're doing here in
Maryland that your listeners may be interested in, we're building

(01:49:13):
the first Malcolm X memorial in the state capital in
the city of Annapolis, Maryland, and it's going to honor
Malcolm X. And it's going to have a time capsule
in it, and Carl this is what really people have
found to be just interesting. The time capsule will have
responses from elected officials, clergy, civil rights leaders, professionals of

(01:49:35):
every imagination, and in this time capsule will be a
question that we're asking people to respond to fifty years
from now, in twenty twenty, in twenty seventy six, what
do you think race relations will be like in America?
And people are responding to that. And we're going to
have this memorial for Malcolm X built next year, twenty

(01:49:57):
twenty six, on his birthday, we're going unveil it because
it's important that people remember what Malcolm X kept telling
us over and over and over again, that no one
will save us from us but us. We have to
be the ones to be in the vanguard of the
social justice movement. And for people who think that we've
already arrived, there's no need for any further struggle. Donald

(01:50:20):
Trump reminds us on a daily basis, those of you
think that because you've got money, because you got a position,
that somehow you made it. This man is insulted multi
millionaires who happened to be African Americans, African American people
of every strike and African nations. He said the horrible things,
but African nations. And his response has been what are

(01:50:44):
you going to do about it? And unfortunately, too many
of our leadership is not responding.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Having said that, because somebody tweeted and wanted to know,
just tweet it says, is it too late for submissions
to the Malcolm X time capsule.

Speaker 9 (01:50:59):
I'm glad they ask no. The last time at the
end of the month is summer thirty first is the
last time to do it. And I should say this
very quickly. One if you respond to the question what
race relations should will be like in twenty seventy six,
there is no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
Uh oh hope. We have a lost Carl Snowden seems
like it seems like his line dropped. Kevin, see if
you can getting back for us, As he just told you, folks,
he's got a time capsule he set up for a brother, Malcolm,
and they're going to discuss that on his birthday. There's
a lot of celebrations coming too, Malcolm's one hundredth birthday
and the time capsule, he says, the question about race

(01:51:41):
relations fifty years from now, So what do you think
racilations are going to be? When he comes back, he'll
tell us how you can make your submission of that,
because it's going to be interesting how fifty years or
even seventy five years now. I always think about what
history is going to say about this particular period of
time that we lived in. What are they going to
say that we did or did not?

Speaker 15 (01:51:58):
Do?

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
You know talking about that we dropped the baton? Are
those people in my age group, the baby boomers, dropped
the baton? That's why our young people are so confused
these days. I wonder what they're going to say to
you know, what people are going to have they're going
to pass judgment. Did you know, just like many of
us passing judgment on the civil rights era? And people said, okay,
he's back. So Carl again, I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 9 (01:52:22):
Well, yeah, December thirty first is the absolute last time
to submit your response. And as we're about to say,
the response can be as long or as short as
you wanted to be. Now, there's three things that anybody
who's doing this must do. Number One, in addition to
giving your response, you must designate someone fifty years from

(01:52:43):
now who you will have read your response, because this time,
Captain is going to be opened in twenty seventy six.
So in my case, I've got a great granddaughter who
have designated, and she'll be reading my response. So when
people choose to respond to the question, they've got to
also designate somebody fifty years from now who they believe

(01:53:06):
will be around to read their response. The other thing
is the response must be sealed, and you cannot tell anyone,
including the person you designated to read your response, what
your response is. Literally, fifty years from now, people of
every racial background that you can imagine, every profession will

(01:53:26):
be given their perspective on where they think America will
be in twenty seventy six. And that's an very important
year because for those who do not know it it
will mark the three hundredth anniversary of the founding of
this nation. And I think it's fair to say for
people listening that from the beginning of time, from the

(01:53:47):
beginning of the founding of this nation in seventeen seventy
six to the present time, two hundred and fifty years later,
race relations have been a point, has been a part
of America's original sin. And the question is fifty years
from there, well, our children, now, grandchildren, are great children,
great grandchildren be doing better than we are now. And

(01:54:10):
that's what we want people to respond to.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
You know, I often talk about this at twenty at
after the top they are Carl, But my thing is
what's history going to say about this particular time and
period that we're going through right now? What are they
going to write about us? And when your line dropt
was thinking about how people talk about the Civil Rights Group,
how they was, you know, they went for integration when
they should have gone for independence, because that was you know,

(01:54:37):
Monday morning quarterback. They did the best they could do
with what they had at that particular point. What are
they going to say about us? So we did and
all this this that Donald Trump is putting us through
and like you said, no response with your thoughts.

Speaker 9 (01:54:50):
Well, let me just say this, and this is across
the country. Those of us who live in Maryland are
in a particularly unique situation with only state in the
nation that has a black governor. We have a black
Attorney general, with a black treasurer to Speaker of the
Houses black. We have the largest legislative black caucaus in
the country. And so it's going to be fair he

(01:55:11):
in Maryland for people to ask the question, not fifty
years from now, but a decade from now, what difference
did it make? Fortunately, I think we're going to be
in a position to show that it did make a difference.
Across the nation.

Speaker 6 (01:55:24):
We're the largest legislative black caucaus in the history of
the country. The fact of the matter is that, again
the question will be with the political power that we have, well,
we have used it wisely. Those who listening to this
program is particularly those who knew as I did, Marion
Barry knew that he was an incredible mayor, did an

(01:55:46):
incredible thing in Washington, d c. There's the question is
why can't we see that being replicated all over the country.
We have people of color in very strategic positions across
this country, and yet for a host of reasons, I
don't think we're responding the word we should be responding.
I think of the great Malcolm X, and I know
what Malcolm X would be doing in this day in

(01:56:08):
time if he was here physically, I know what he'd
be telling us to do as a people. And I
just think it's noun as the time to encourage people
to organize, energize, and mobilize people as who get ready
for twenty twenty six their midterm elections, we have an
incredible opportunity to send the measures to the world, and

(01:56:29):
I hope we take advantage of next year of elections.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Thirty many said that's off. That would call snorda as
a civil rights activist in Baltimore discussing the silence of
some of our civil rights players and groups, including throwing
the Congression of Black Caucus and all the injustices, all
of the rollbacks that we're seen by the Trump administration.
Let me ask you this, Carl, because you mentioned brother Malcolm,
and he also mentioned Marion Barry. Do we have any leaders?

(01:56:55):
Do we have any persons who's writing point for us
these days? Jesse is sadly say, is incapacitating now it
was at one time considered a leader. But who do
we have out in front who's speaking about our issues.

Speaker 9 (01:57:08):
Actually, we're really fortunate because around the country there are
men and women who are doing some amazing things. I
happen to like the young brother down in Memphis, Tennessee.
His name is Justin Pearson, who's now going to be
running for a congressional seat. He's young, he's upcoming, he's bright,
he's articulate, he understands where we're going. I even respect

(01:57:31):
Jasmine Crockett, who's running an uphill batter in Texas, but
her race is for the Senate in Texas. Again is
pointing out the inconsistencies of a democracy that we have,
and she's making it very clear that what we see
pray in practice here in America is not democracy but hypocrisy.
We see a president of the United States not going

(01:57:52):
to emphasize it. He's a convicted felon thirty four felons.
He was convicted of and he just gave pardons. Is
some of the most incredible drug dealers in this country,
people who've been smuggling drugs into the country. People have
caused all kinds of harm and yet there's not been
a peep nationally. But these pardons.

Speaker 6 (01:58:16):
He is actually literally, if you've got the money, you
can get a pardon. And we're going to see some
people who are very famous and apparently in prison now
will be getting out. But they won't be getting out
based on nerd. They'll beginning based on the fact that
they will pay the Donald Trump a bribery in exchange
for being released from prison. And if that doesn't tell

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us where we are in America, nothing else will, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
I mean to share with it. As you mentioned Jasmine Crockett,
and as you mentioned she's and the Senate race, well,
San Antonio Express News did a poll and she's She
has an eight point leader over the state represented from
Austin in this poll. So she's jumped out into a
lead and it's probably because she has more name recognition, yeah,
than the other candidates. So they won't get down to

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they'll get down to the nitty gritty next year early
when the campaign starts to hit the road. But again
the question is that you know, and we've got some
folks wont told you. But the question for you, Carl,
do you think we don't have a You mentioned a
couple of leaders, but we don't have the firebrand leaders.
We don't have the leaders that we had. It doesn't
matter what you care about Jesse Jackson, Reven Jesse Jackson,

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he was at least he was out there, he was
doing things, and he stood up and you know, whether
you like him or not, he was fighting for us.
I just don't see that kind of character in anyone
on the scene right now. Who's you can say this
person's for us. You know, something happens, they're going to respond.
And I know if he was feeling better, he probably
responds to a lot of stuff that's going down right now.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (01:59:47):
And just a note on the Reverend Jesse Jackson. For
those critics of Reverend Jesse Jackson, the question, the easy
question to respond to critics of Jesse Jackson is Okay,
here's what you criticized, Jesse Jackson. Now tell me what
you're doing. I find that most times, many times people
or who are the greatest critics are sidelines. They're the

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armchair revolutionaries. They're the people who just make the commentary.
They're the Stephen Smiths of the world, and who don't
do anything, they just make negative comments because again it's
a way of getting attention and making money. But when
you ask them what they're doing to address the systemic racism,
the systemic exploitation of our people, the degadation of our
people complete solids in tract. One of the greatest ways

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to have a sharp conversation with many people in this
country who happen to be African American. If you want
to talk about sports, they'll spend all day telling you
whether Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan look the greatest basketball player.
Or if you want to talk to them of an entertainment,
they'll tell you whether it was Beyonce or whether it
was Michael Jackson, who's greatest entertainer. But when you ask

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them the question, what are you doing deliberate black people rings,
and they said they've got something else to do, they
quickly changed subject matters because the truth of the matter
is the vast majority of our people could be doing
more than they are, and too many people set on
the sidelines criticizing whether it's Minister far Khin or the

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revend Jesse Jackson or others who may be involved in
the movement. And when you ask them what they're doing
complete solace.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
Why is that, though you're absolutely right your spot on.

Speaker 6 (02:01:27):
Why is that It's because it's easier to be a critic.

Speaker 9 (02:01:31):
As someone who's been dealing with this issue of civil
rights for decades, I know what the price one pays
for being involved. I'm one of the few people left
in this nation that can honestly say that I had
the opportunity to suit the FBI. One FBI when I
was a teenager. As you know, other they Cointail program,

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Talent Intelligence program actually opened up a Dozia air or
me when I was sixteen years old, and they count
me under civilians until we want federal lawsuit against them
because they were doing an illegal spine. It takes heart,
it takes courage to be able to stand up, and
quite frankly, courage is something you're either born with or
your pain. It's not automatic.

Speaker 6 (02:02:13):
And for a lot of.

Speaker 9 (02:02:14):
People who believe that if they're open their mouths, if
they say anything, whatever they have been able to gain,
they want to remain spouting. They don't want to lose
their status, they don't want to lose their economic what
they believe benefit and so far too many of us
are too wide because of fear.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
I got to ask you this on twenty five away
from the top of that, if you were on a
surveillance at sixteen, just like Chairman Fred Hampton was on
the surveillance side, I think he was much younger than
that as well. When they were decided is a surveil him?
What did your parents think about? You know, the fact
that if you've got the FEDS and the CIA, FEDS
looking into you and they're investigating you as a teenager,

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they were they concerning?

Speaker 9 (02:02:59):
Yes, one of the things I'm very I tell people
this all the time. My mother lived to be one
hundred and four years old. My mother was an incredible,
phenomenal woman. So when the FBI showed up at her household,
remember only sixteen years old, with a two piece suit on,
their shiny shoes, their badges, their guns, my mother wasn't intimidating.

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My mother made it absolutely clear to the FBI at
that time, and by the way, this is in the seventies,
that she would not tolerate them arming me at all,
and she stood up. She did not do what they
thought she was going to do. In fact, can you
believe the FBI asked my mother to be an informant,
they told her. And you know, we've got the actual

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FBI files. By the way, anyone who's interested in seeing
what the FBI would keep on a sixteen year old kid,
all they have to do is go to the Maryland
chapter of the ACOU has a website and we don't
NATed the entire FBI file to them, so that people
can see what the FBI does, what kind of information
they try to collect on people, how they try to

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use family members, how they try to find school teachers
and our schoolmates to become informants.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
And they want and hold that thought right there, Carl,
hold that thought right there. We'll step aside for a
few minutes. We'll come back. I want you to finish
and tell us that story. And what were you doing
that you know caught their attention. Usually something you did
or say that caught their attention, is what you mentioned,
Because I know Steve Cochele has talked about this quite
a bit. He says, they usually go after your family
members to get you. But I'll let you give your
side or so, and we got some folks who want

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to talk to you. Family YouTube can join our conversation
with Carl Snowden reach out to us at eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and ticket
phone calls next and Grand Rising Family. Thanks you starting
your week with us this morning. I guess it is
Carl Snowny is an activist at a Baltimore sell a
Ryan's activists. Before we get back to you, let me
just remind you come up. Later this morning we speak
with former vice presidential candidate and one of the original

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founders of the original Black Lives Man. It would be
doctor Million Abdullah. And later this week you're gonna hear
from chematologist Tony Brown made a physician and master herbalist,
Doctor b also Grio Baba Lamuma from Memojia House in Washington,
DC will join us. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure your rate is locked and tight on ten
ten WLB rightf we're in the DMV area or on

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fourteen fifteen WL all right before tall I'll let you
respond to carl My question, what was you do you
think they think you were supposed to do? And as
a teenager that would warrant them a cointail program on you.

Speaker 9 (02:05:34):
Well again for people to appreciate this, They've got to
understand what was the cointail program. Remember this is after
the Debta Martin Luther King Junior, the assassination of Malcolm X,
the murder of Fred Hampton in the seventies. People have
to appreciate what was going on. There was a real

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movement in this country. Angela Davis was on trial for
her life. They were going to put her in the
Asked Chamber at the age of twenty six years of age.
The African American community activism was was the thing that
was going on. The war in Vietnam was going on.
I can remember very vividly the May Day demonstrations. We

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would have the African Liberation Day demonstrations. The consciousness of
black people were that all time high, and the government,
the federal government had to respond, and they responded. They
put in place the PINTEL program that was designed to
identify young upcoming PENTIL leaders and to neutralize them, to
use their term, to neutralize them before they became adults.

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And so I think there was a concerted effort to
identify potential African American leaders who could create issues for
this country, and they put them on their surveillance. They
were able to do all kinds of things, and there
are people who, quite frankly, didn't survive. I know a
number of people who were actives during my youth who
were murdered steriously. And so there were a number of

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efforts on the part of the government to suppress a
growing movement in that country. If you look at the
sixties and the seventies, and then you ask what happened
in the eighties where drugs were brought into our community
in terms of crack cocaine, which Maxine Walters spoke very freqiantly,
But there is been a concerted effort to suppress African

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American movement, and it's done on many ways. Oftentimes I
marveled how much people really don't understand our nine eleven
changed America forever and had a particularly impact, adverse impact
on black people. We just don't see it, but it exists,

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all right.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Fifteen away from the top of the now, we've got
some folks that sawts. I mentioned Jean's calling from Pikes
Phillies online to Grand Rising Junior with Karl Snowby.

Speaker 7 (02:07:57):
Yeah, Grand Rising over you, gentlemen, I got a question
for you, mister Snowdon. Yes, sir, in reference to how
you finance yourself. Do you have an endowment? You've been
around for quite a while. How in reference through.

Speaker 5 (02:08:14):
Funding do you you know? Do you have an endowment?

Speaker 9 (02:08:19):
No, there's not an endowment. What I've been able to do.
For those who don't know my history, I've been unlected
to fish, I ran for public office. I've served at
many levels of government. I was the first civil rights
director for the office of Maryland Attorney General. I've invested wisely,
and I've been able to unstain myself. And I also

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understand again what you can do and what you can't
do if you're planning on challenging the system.

Speaker 7 (02:08:50):
So I got is here because No, like you said, critics,
that's not a criticism of you.

Speaker 5 (02:08:55):
I asked that question.

Speaker 7 (02:08:56):
Is because doctor Whittaker comes on and she tells about
Tuskegee and they have an endowment. Howard Universe, I'm sorry, Hampton,
and the university has an endowment. Howard has an endowment.
Howard has an endowment, and that frees you up from
having to get money from other people or even to

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what do you call it when you have.

Speaker 5 (02:09:25):
Not a website, but if you.

Speaker 7 (02:09:26):
Have a social media platform and then what you're trying
to do is, you know, you're trying to get popular
so that you can get you know, the money that
that that that that that that thing can give you
in repence to how many.

Speaker 5 (02:09:39):
People are following you, et cetera.

Speaker 7 (02:09:41):
Right, So, so what I hear in a sense from
a lot of people is like people who have money
aren't doing what they are supposed to do. I have
six people who follow me. I paid them thirty dollars
an hour. Well, yeah, you know, I paid them thirty
thirty dollars an hour. Now they're not working eighty hours
a week, right, I pay one one day a week

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for four hours.

Speaker 5 (02:10:06):
Uh one, I.

Speaker 7 (02:10:07):
Paid maybe for six hours because I don't you I
have a you know, a share ride. I'm totally blind,
et cetera. I'm I'm a Vietnam veteran who has survived
cancers because of Agent orange poisoning. So it's like I've

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hit the lottery in the sense that I'm one hundred
percent disabled in the v eight and that that pays
quite a bit of money. Plus the money that I
make and my wife's maid when we were working and
we get our you know, Ourah and Gane.

Speaker 1 (02:10:42):
This sounds like a personal conversation. So we got I
got a question. It is, Yeah, but what you can
call Carl, you know, because we've got a whole bunch
of club people across the country you're talking to. I
want to I want to be rude to you, but
we've got some other folks. I got issues too. But
I thank you for your call this morning twelve. It's
away from the top of the Money MIC's online three.
He's calling from Baltimore Money Mike. Comment to your question

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for Carl Snorten.

Speaker 5 (02:11:07):
Yeah, good morning, gentlemen.

Speaker 9 (02:11:08):
How y'all doing? Good morning, sir?

Speaker 15 (02:11:11):
Okay, Well, first, you know, you talked about all our leaders,
but I don't see the emphasis being played on on
educating our populace. You know, back when you in the
sixties and seventies, we were all in the same boat,
so to say, and because of some advances by some
what they did is they took some and made them

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a leader and moved them out. So now the people
who really need to help the most, I don't see
emphasis on teaching them and telling them the importance of educations.
And the next thing is that why don't we have
a media outlet such as we had in the fifties,
sixties and seventies. How do how are we going to

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educate people if we don't have the network, with the
with the the newspapers, the black newspapers. You talked about
the mayor of DC, how he was able to transform
in DC and bring people up out of poverty. Well,
part of that was reading. And I don't see us
really putting the emphasis on education reading and learning. And

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I feel like people spend, they spend, and the time
that they spend is going to create their success and
uplift them out of poverty. And I don't see any
emphasis on teaching the masses that. And I'll take your
response off air if you don't mind.

Speaker 5 (02:12:30):
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 9 (02:12:31):
Let me just simply say to you there are people
all over the country who are doing marvelous things. They
don't get the necessarily same attention as others do, but
believe me, they're people who are working dally. They try
to make a difference in the society. I loved the
late Joe Madison, who we call the Black Eagle.

Speaker 6 (02:12:52):
And while I loved it, but Joe.

Speaker 5 (02:12:53):
Madison and I often repeat what he has said.

Speaker 9 (02:12:57):
Over and over again. Joe Madison always comes down to
one fundamental question and it always flows people. Joe Madison's
fundamental question was what are you doing to address the
problems that's facing our community? And if we could get
more people to be involved, this struggle would be over
much sooner. Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do something.

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And my thing is to find people, to have people
find what there's something is. So, for example, if it's education,
and I'm a big believer in education, there's no reason
why we cannot have schools. Just as we have Sunday schools,
we couldn't have Saturday schools where people who are committed
to educating our people, but our true history could take

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the time at a church, at a mosque, at a temple,
at an institution to just educate people.

Speaker 5 (02:13:49):
If you would ask people.

Speaker 6 (02:13:50):
On this who are listening right now, this is not
a hunt year history.

Speaker 5 (02:13:54):
This is local.

Speaker 6 (02:13:55):
This is a relatively contemporary history. If you would ask
people right now, when was the first African American FBI
agent hard in this country? Most people think it's the
sixties and the seventies and all of that stuff, And
when they learned that the first FBI agent that was
hard in this country was hard in the twenties, nineteen twenties.

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The question has to be asked, what in the world
would the FBI be doing hiring a black special agent
in the nineteen twenties, And the answer was because of
Marcus Garvey, they have to infiltrate and Jaggo Hoover personally
recruited a man named James Wormley Jones to be an
FBI agent. Well, the vast majority of people have no

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idea that he came into existence.

Speaker 5 (02:14:42):
Because of that.

Speaker 6 (02:14:43):
If you ask people win with the first.

Speaker 9 (02:14:45):
Black female FBI agent Hardness country, they have no idea.
So there are things that we can do to help
educate our community and future generations. The reason we building
this Malcolm X Memorial is to speak to lotions hit
I'm board. We have to be able to tell people
where we are in twenty twenty five and where we're going,

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and that agenda has yet to be determined.

Speaker 1 (02:15:13):
Again, it goes back to my question about the leadership
at Carl Snowden. What do we need another leader? You
mentioned it all over the country, and you mentioned some
of justin Pearson, Tennessee. But do we need a do
any and does that leader have to be charismatic. Most
of our leaders who are very you know, who get results,
are charismatic. They know how to speak, they they got

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style swag if you will. For the younger folks, do
we need to create or do we need to have
that person? And doesn't have to be a male.

Speaker 6 (02:15:45):
No, it can be.

Speaker 9 (02:15:46):
In fact, it's always been male and see male and look.
Obviously it helps to be charismatic, it helps to be articulate,
but it's not absolutely necessary. There are men and women
in history dying point two who are very effective, I mean,
who did amazing things in terms of civil rights movement.
I happen to be a student of the civil rights movement,
so I happen to know there a lot of men

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and women that people listening to this audience have.

Speaker 6 (02:16:10):
Never heard of. These men and women were committed to
making America better and not better, and they were able
to do all kinds of things. So I think it's
important for wherever you are in the country, for people
to answer the question that Joe Madison pos, what are
you going to do about it?

Speaker 5 (02:16:27):
And whatever your.

Speaker 9 (02:16:29):
Contribution is, if it's contributing to organizations who out there
fighting for the advancement of African American people. So be
it if you're one of the kinds of person that
can get involved in the demonstration and show up whatever
you feel that you can contribute. It's absolutely necessary that
each of us do that which we think we can

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do to make America better. And by the way, it's
not for youI called we're fired. This is for generations
yet unborn. Fifty years from now, what kind of America
they want to leave.

Speaker 6 (02:17:01):
For our children? And fifty years from now, I know
what America will be like. It will be dependent upon
what we do today. Malcolm X put it so well.
Those who are prepared for the future, those who get
the proper education, would argue, that's our passport to the future.
So we've got to spend a lot of time educating

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people to those particular resources we got right now, there's
nothing that stops us. We're building this Malcolm X memorial.
We're not taking the dime from the government. We're raising
money among our own. Because if we raise the money
among ourselves, we get to say what Malcolm X stands for,
We get to design this particular memorial to him, and

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we have the resources. It's a question of will will
people do what's necessary to preserve their history and their
culture and to protect their children in the future, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:17:56):
And I'm glad you said it in that way of
five away from the top then, because the folks, you know,
the pressure, you can call them whatever you want. They're
planning ahead. That's what we're seeing all of this stuff
with the you know, Project twenty twenty five, this was
planned five years ago, that's right. So how can we
get our folks to look beforeward thinking, because it seems

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like we're sitting back, you know, Carl, and we're on
the late train. By the time that hits us, you know,
we're incapacitated. We can't respond. And this is where we
are now with this particularly, it's time and space we're
in right now.

Speaker 6 (02:18:31):
I would say that people this and anyone can do this.
One should just go ahead and google the Black Political
Agenda nineteen seventy two, Gary and Nanda, where black people
from all over the country, every walk of life got
together and put together agenda. What was written in nineteen
seventy two is as applicable today as it was in

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nineteen seventy two. Again, we just don't know the history.
We don't know the fact that people showed up with
Gary and Nava in numbers unprecedented and the leadership that
showed up on that day and they have it out
an agenda. Unfortunately, we've gotten deterred from that agenda. That
agenda was the blueprint for the future.

Speaker 1 (02:19:11):
So you're saying we need a new blueprint, a black agenda.
We need a new Black agenda? If so, or do
we need another Gary meeting? It's like what ha many
seventy two yes to.

Speaker 6 (02:19:23):
Both if you ask the majority of people listening to
this program.

Speaker 5 (02:19:27):
It's all over the country.

Speaker 6 (02:19:28):
By the way, in the state of Maryland, we've got
over four hundred and fifty black elected officials. They've never
gathered in one room at the one time to talk
about how we collectively will move forward in Maryland. We
just haven't done that. But the same thing is true
all over the country. African American people need to come
together in the individual states and begin to look at

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what's the plan for twenty years from there, what's our
fifty year plan, what do we want to be, what
are we going to try to accomplish? We collectively need
to do that, and individual states were varying.

Speaker 5 (02:20:02):
What people need.

Speaker 6 (02:20:03):
In Mississippi, may not be what they need in Michigan,
and we need to understand that we're not a monolithic community.
That's the point I like there just really stressed we're
not monolithic. We have a lot of diversity in our
community and we have to develop a consensus in order
to be able to move forward.

Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
I hear what you're saying. Three minutes away from the
top of all we gotta start a sign and get
caught up in the Oh, we got stations, got to
identify themselves down the line, we'll come back. We wrap
it up with Carl Snowdy's an activist's saying that he's
surprised or shocked by the lack of response from some
of our civil rights groups and the congression of Black Caucus,
all the stuff that's coming down to us from this
current administration. Are you surprised? Family? What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

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six ticket phone calls? Next and grand rising family, Thanks
for starting your week with us. I guess as a
Carl Snowdie is a civil rights activist out of Baltimore,
and he was sort of shocked, he says, And so
I sort of you know, when he pointed it out,
there's been silence coming from our civil rights leader's all
these attacks we've had onto this current administration, there's no pushback,
and he wondered why, And that's the question we're asking

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this morning if if some of you felt the same
thing we talked about, whether it should we should have
leaders or black leaders or we don't have the caliber
of leaders we had before. He says we need to.
And it was interesting the Carl mens we need to
have a black agenda that was curated from the meeting
in seventy two with Gary, that Black Power meeting. He says,

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we need to have another one of those. What are
your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six Speak to Carl. Alex Is calling from Alexandra.
Alex You have a question for Karl Snowden.

Speaker 5 (02:21:36):
Yeah, My question to your guests is why what had
the leaders that the so called leaders that he called
and leaders, what had they done for the black community?
And where I'm doing at with this? And you called
yourself a civil rights activist, but you failed to realize

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that the right or didn't begin when that then the
Banks Johnson it was already the Civil Rights Act of
nineteen I mean eighteen sixty six, that should have been followed,
but instead your party did not want to follow that.
That that that civil rights are So what had them

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leaders done for us that you called leaders? What have
they done for us? Sorry the last one of them
that you just named, because.

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
I thank you for your call.

Speaker 9 (02:22:35):
Car As you can see, that's my whole point. My
point is that there's no leader. You name anyone, you'll
find that there's that leader will have a critic And
the question becomes very simple for me. If you don't
like what the national leadership is doing, what are you

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doing in response to it? And it's easy to be
on the side criticizing. You can critics side Jesse Jackson,
you can criticize Minister Lewis Furicon, you can criticize any
African American leader.

Speaker 6 (02:23:07):
That's easy. I mean that part's easy. The question becomes,
what are you going to do individually.

Speaker 9 (02:23:14):
To make our situation better? And when you pose that question,
people would rather get it to a debate. I don't
have to debate whether Jesse Jackson contributed anything to American society.

Speaker 5 (02:23:25):
I know he did.

Speaker 9 (02:23:26):
I know that many many people got elected to public
offers because of Jesse Jackson. I know that, but there's
no need to debate that. I know what the contribution
that Minister Lewis Furicon has made. He's not perfect, but
he has made contributions. And all I'm trying to say
is that if we're going to advance the cause, we
collectively have to take the responsibility.

Speaker 6 (02:23:48):
To move forward. Anybody can criticize any organization, any individual.

Speaker 5 (02:23:53):
It all comes down to what are you doing.

Speaker 9 (02:23:56):
And one of the things that haven't spent as long
as I have.

Speaker 6 (02:23:59):
In a struggle, I'll compare my record to anybody. I mean,
people think that I've not done anything or not made
a contribution, that's their right, they have their opinion, but
I think the facts will speak to themselves for themselves.
And the same thing with others. To say that Jesse
Jackson or somebody else have made no contribution to African.

Speaker 5 (02:24:18):
Americans, it's just just not true. It's absolutely not true.

Speaker 9 (02:24:23):
And even Marion Berry and I, who limit in high
regard I did, said Marion Berry was a perfect servant.
I say he was a public servant. And when I
look at the kind of things that Marion Berry did
with his may of Washington, DC. It was not a panacea,
didn't solve all of our problems. But for anybody to
say that Marion Berry did not make a contribution to
advancing and improving their lives black people, I think it's

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just wrong.

Speaker 6 (02:24:48):
Absolutely wrong. And I think both history and the record proves.

Speaker 1 (02:24:51):
That gotcha five. At the top of that we got
doctor Malina Abdulla and Deco gets her a momentarily. But
call it for we let you go. How can folks
that want to put in take apart this time capsule
and for the late comers, can you tell them again
how it works and what's going to happen?

Speaker 9 (02:25:07):
Thank you again, I appreciate that opportunity to do there.
In Maryland, we're creating the first Malcolm X time capsule
that's going to be opened in May of twenty seventy six.
In that time capsule will be a question that anyone
who's listening and participated, the question is where do you
think race relations will be in the year twenty seventy six.

(02:25:28):
If you're interested in either contributing to the Malcolm X
memorial or setting in this document, if you will call
full four three eighty seven to one five six five six.

Speaker 6 (02:25:41):
That's full four three eight fifty six fifty six will
be directed to more information and to a website where
you can let your views be known.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
All right, I'd love to be around. You know, fifty
years from now, I won't be here, but you know
hopefully that you said children ground children probably be here
and they'll read and their reaction to what did we
do in this particular time and space or especially when
they read it. But because Donald Trump's going to be
in the history books and what was the Black America's response,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:26:12):
It's going to be interested.

Speaker 5 (02:26:14):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:26:16):
Thank you, Carl again, give that.

Speaker 6 (02:26:17):
Number out four four three eight seven one fifty six
fifty six four four three eight seven one fifty six
fifty six.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
All righty, thank you, and thank you again for sharing
the story that the Fed's had you on the surveillance
when you're a teenager. We've got to get into that
more next time you're on. But I thank you for you,
Thank you, sir Chris sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Family.
That's Karl Snooney's a civil rights auctaries out of Baltimore.
Le's turning attention now to doctor Malina Abdullah, doctor Melina
Grand Rising. Welcome back to the program, Ram Rising.

Speaker 8 (02:26:50):
Thanks so much for having me, brother Carl.

Speaker 1 (02:26:53):
Yeah, you know, I got a bunch of questions for it.
But first let's start because you know, let me just
tell a family this. The two Black lives Lives Matter,
the Black Lives Matter that you hear about in the news,
any of the Black Lives Matter, the original Black Lives Matter,
Black Lives Matter Grassroots. That's the one with doctor Malina
Abdulah and doctor Malina were just another story about another
fraud from another chapter of Black Lives Matter? Can you

(02:27:16):
share that with us? And how does that make you feel?
And you keep hearing these stories?

Speaker 10 (02:27:20):
Sure?

Speaker 8 (02:27:21):
So, I mean there's a few things. One we want
to make sure we distinguish ourselves. So all of the
chapters of Black Lives Matter are listed at BLM Grassroots.
So all the grassroots chapters, the chapters that are birthed
through protests, you know, birthed out of the demand that
Black people are free, that targets are removed from our backs,

(02:27:42):
and that we get to flourish and grow into our
fullest potential. That's Black Lives Matter Grassroots. We do the advocacy,
the organizing on the ground, and so we have fifty
two chapters around the world. They're all listed at blmgrassroots
dot org. Oklahoma City is not one of them, and

(02:28:03):
so it's really important that we say that. We also
want to say that we know that investigations and allegations come,
and just because they're not part of us, and they
are not part of us, doesn't mean that any allegations
that the government has, especially under Donald Trump, are true

(02:28:28):
because you know, we haven't been investigated, we are not
under investigation, but it doesn't mean that they won't come
for us. We know there's people in prison right now
who've been framed by the government. We just marked the
forty fourth anniversary of the rest of Mumia Abu Jamal,
who still sits in prison forty four years later after
he was framed. So we want to make sure that

(02:28:51):
we don't double down on allegations that could be false.
So those are the things that we'd say, and then
we'd say, don't let it slow us down from moving work.
Just day before yesterday, I left Ohio where brother Frank
Tyson's killer. Brother Frank Tyson was a fifty three year

(02:29:12):
old black man who had been falsely imprisoned for twenty
four years, and thirteen days after his release, he was
killed by police in Canton, Ohio as he was gasping
for breath, saying most famous words, I can't breathe. The
police nonetheless sat on his back and left him face

(02:29:35):
down on the floor of a white establishment and left
him to die. And so we have to continue to
do righteous work. In the name of Frank Tyson, in
the name of Miani fin Layson, who was the black
mother killed in her own home when she called police
for help with a domestic dispute. We just marked her
angel versary. We got to keep doing work and not

(02:29:56):
let these kinds of things slow us down from the work.

Speaker 1 (02:30:02):
Is this a distraction or is it more of you know,
does it impact with the work that you're trying to do.

Speaker 8 (02:30:09):
It does impact our work because it erodes trust in
the movement. And we have to be clear. Yesterday was
our Black Lives Matter Los Angeles meeting. We have a
monthly organized organizing meeting. It was packed with over one
hundred black folks in LA who are committed to doing

(02:30:29):
righteous work. And when there are allegations when people misrepresent
Black Lives Matter people question, and we have to do
a lot of work to make sure people know what
righteous work is moving and how they can plug in
and to really earn trust. And so that's what we

(02:30:51):
have to do. But it's much easier when people aren't,
you know, eroading trust.

Speaker 1 (02:30:57):
Your reaction to I guess it's on a consideration to
take the Black Lives Matter mural in Washington, DC and
recreate one for Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 8 (02:31:08):
Your thoughts, oh, I saw that that's disgusting any mural
that would go up to an unabashed white supremacist, a
violent person. I have my own personal feelings around Charlie
Kirk as a professor. I was one of the first
people that was placed on Charlie Kirk's professor watch list,

(02:31:32):
and it created this flurry of violence against me where
people were coming to my university and attacking me online,
and it results in real violence. That person should never
ever be honored. And you know, while I didn't say
much when he was assassinated, you know it was an

(02:31:55):
act of white on white violence. I will say the
idea that this country would even consider honoring him tells
us how terrible, what a terrible direction this country is
going in everything that Charlie Cooks Kirk stood for. Christians
should be up in arms because he misrepresented what Christianity is. Right,

(02:32:20):
everybody should be outraged that this is even a consideration.

Speaker 1 (02:32:25):
All right, thirteen minutes at they at the top, they
our family, just checking in with us. I guess they
start to Melina Abdulla, the co founders of the founder
of Black Lives Matter Grassroots, and I like to have
her on too. You know, tell folks, when you hear
all these negative issues coming about black lives now, that's
not her group. They actually hijacked the concept and went
for it, and they got him paid. All these millions

(02:32:46):
of dollars, these funds that are supposed to be used
to help out people, they're being misused so by these groups.
But this is not how it was intended, because it
does not only tarnished the image of Black Lives Matter,
but all of us as black people. You know what
we do, you know, take money they're supposed to help
our community and buy hunt mansions and take exotic trips

(02:33:09):
and spend money just having fun instead of and our
people still languish and needing the help. So That's what
I like to doctor Melina to explain that there are
two different groups. So if you are supporting Black Lives Matter,
only have that turn you off, but make sure you
go to the Black Lives Matter grassroots, doctor Milia, How
can they reach you before we go any further.

Speaker 8 (02:33:28):
Sure, So we're at BLM grass Roots on all social
media BLM grass Roots, BLM grassroots dot org. We continue,
Thank you, brother Carl, because we continue to draw that distinction.
Last week, we actually confronted the thieves at an event
that they hosted. It looked like a multimillion dollar event

(02:33:49):
that they hosted. They showed up and blacked out vehicles
with multi thousand dollars handbags and couture on and we
found out from somebody who was an insider there that
they paid celebrities tens of thousands of dollars to be
present so that they could have you know, them present,

(02:34:10):
And that's what they're doing with your donated funds, so
our folks when they're undemonstrated. I wasn't personally there because
I was threatened with a restraining order for speaking out
about them. And that's that's who those folks are. Their

(02:34:30):
names are Cecily Gay and djon A. Parker who continue
to live off of those stolen resources that were stolen
in the names of people like Mike Brown. That's why
people donated right in the names of people like Trey,
vonn and Martin. You have to remember that and confront
them wherever they are. So for the real work of

(02:34:52):
Black Lives Matter at the grass roots, as Andrew Joseph,
Andrew Joseph, the third UH Father and our rapid response coordinator,
he would say, and that's from the grassroots. BLM, grassroots
is who we are.

Speaker 1 (02:35:09):
So for people make distinction, they have to add on grassroots.

Speaker 8 (02:35:13):
To it, right, Yes, BLM grassroots. If it does not
say grassroots, then that means it's not the real deal.
We're the real formation. They stole what we built and people.

Speaker 1 (02:35:26):
Are asking how could they do that? Can they still
do it? They still getting people still writing them checks
all over the world, and they still using a splurgeon
on themselves. How can they get away with that? Can
you explain that real quick for us?

Speaker 8 (02:35:40):
Sure? Well, what they stole. Remember in twenty twenty, people
were really really generous and donated a lot of money
through Black Livesmatter dot Com and so that amount what
they reported is it totaled ninety million dollars in a
single year. One of our co found there's Patrise Culors

(02:36:01):
placed a highly paid consultant named Shlomia Bowers in charge
of that infrastructure. And although it was written in a
memo that those resources were to be transferred to the
movement on the ground, and it named me as the
coordinator the facilitator of BLM Grassroots, so right now I'm

(02:36:25):
the director of BLM grass Roots. It said those funds
were to come over, Shilomia Bowers decided that he was
not going to transfer those resources and said he intended
to keep it indefinitely. And because not only was there
ninety million in twenty twenty, we got to remember money

(02:36:45):
kept coming in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two.
Now we're at twenty twenty five, they have hundreds of
millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:36:55):
So hold on, yeah, hold up, this is important about
this distinction. They also want to talk to you about
Donald Trump's attack on Venezuela. I want to get your
thoughts on that family. You two can join our conversation
with doctor Miliina Abdullah reach out to US at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and
we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,

(02:37:16):
thanks for kickstarting your week with us twenty one minutes
after the top of it. I guess doctor Milina Abdullah,
you may recall her name. She was a vice presidential
candidate along with Corner the West in the last presidential election.
She's also the one of the founders of Black Lives Matter.
And there's a distinction that she's making here will be
Black Lives Matter crassroots as the organization she has now
and the Black Lives Matter that you hear in the

(02:37:38):
news here there's seen the news a couple of days ago.
So doctor Miliine, I'll let you finish explaining why how
they managed to hijack your concept and still getting money,
still getting paid, and just pludging the money on themselves.

Speaker 8 (02:37:52):
Sure so, because they were in charge technically put in
charge of those dollars, they had those dollars to resource themselves,
and so they hired an attorney, same high powered attorney
that represented Hillary Clinton is their attorney. They have that
kind of firepower, and we don't have those resources, so

(02:38:14):
we can't match what they have, even though we filed
a lawsuit against them. So we first did what we do,
which is engaged community, and said, you know, everybody, please
sign this open letter. More than twelve hundred people signed
an open letter saying transfer the resources over, because they
not only stole our dollars, they stole our platforms, and

(02:38:37):
they stole our name right and our website and our
email lists, all of that. And so we said, hand
that over, and twelve hundred people, including many many movement leaders,
said handed it over. When they didn't do that, we
went public and said please tell them to hand this over,
and they refused, and so finally we took them to

(02:38:59):
court about six months later, and initially the ruling was
the I guess they call it a preliminary ruling, was
that we would be able to move the case forward.
But the judge later, when we had our oral arguments,
she used something. They used something called an anti slat motion,

(02:39:23):
which is and I'm not a lawyer, so I'm explaining
it in laypersons terms the best I understand it, an
anti slat motion is meant to protect small organizations from
being sued frivolously by big organizations. They used it in
reverse to say maybe we did steal it, maybe we didn't,

(02:39:45):
but it was our First Amendment right to do so.
And so we were blocked from ever even having a
day in court. And because they hold on to all
these resources, we can't even get the word out in
the way that we want to. And so we're grateful
for shows like yours. We're grateful for the black press.

(02:40:05):
We're grateful for independent media and podcasts, and of course
movement organizers that continue to do the work and also
uplift that Black Lives Matter. Grass Roots is a original
formation of Black Lives Matter that is still doing work
more intensely now than ever to push us towards black freedom.

Speaker 1 (02:40:27):
Got you twenty four after the top al, let's talk
politics now, because as I mentioned earlier that you are
the vice presidental candidate with Corneil West in the last
presidential election. Your thoughts on this continue to attack by
Donald Trump on Venezuela, Well.

Speaker 8 (02:40:43):
We already know, you know, there's been a lot of
a lot said over decades about resources about you know,
no war for oil. We got to remember Venezuela holds
more oil. We get more oil from Venezuela than we
do the Middle East. And so when we talk about
the war on Venezuela, the war on Venezuela, the attacks

(02:41:07):
on Venezuela are not just happenstands, it's not because he
cares about drug cartels. If he did, there would be
all different kinds of things happening. It's because they're going
after both Venezuela's resources as well as the politics of Venezuela.

(02:41:28):
Of course, one of the greatest threats is that people
are protecting their own country in Venezuela and that there's
some ideas that you know, when we think about go
Chavas as Venezuela, especially ideas like socialism, like people should
be using the resources of the country to uplift the

(02:41:48):
people themselves rather than line the pockets of oil corporations
like Exxon, and so I think that's what we see happening.
And of course I'm not an expert on Latin America,
but I do know that much.

Speaker 1 (02:42:05):
Do you see the same attack that you see, you know,
a threatened attack on Nigeria as well? Do you think
Donald Trump is concerned about concerned about the Christians in
Nigeria's is concerned about the drugs that he says are
coming into this country. If so, why and this is
a two pod question for you, doctor Melina, Why would
he Pardoner the Honduran leader who actually bought drugs into

(02:42:28):
the country and he just freedom. Can you explain those Donald? Yeah,
I'll let you answer that. That's you explain.

Speaker 8 (02:42:36):
I mean, we know Donald Trump doesn't care about that.
He doesn't care about drugs coming into the country. It's
about how can he enrich himself and his class. Right,
Nigeria is also a resource rich country. Nigeria also has oil.
Nigeria is also in a strategic location and in very

(02:43:00):
close proximity to the Saiho States. So there's two things.
There's both the natural resources of the land, but also
the politicization of the nations that he's threatening. Right, same thing, Venezuela,
you see that mirrored in Nigeria. That you see a
growing consciousness in Nigeria where Nigerians are not wanting to

(02:43:25):
be a part of the West in the same way
that some developing nations have been willing to kind of
give themselves over, give their material resources over to the West.
And so these threats he doesn't care about. You know
what's happening with what he calls domestic terrorism inside of Nigeria.

(02:43:47):
He doesn't care about that. He cares about whether or
not they're handing over their natural resources and whether or
not Nigeria can serve as a staging ground for US
military intervention on the conson in of Africa.

Speaker 1 (02:44:03):
I got it a little deeper with Donald Trump. You know,
going after the fourteenth Amendment, do you think that's going
to affect us as African Americans?

Speaker 8 (02:44:15):
I mean, it's already affecting us, brother Carl. He does
not think about Black people, you know, just like the
white supremacists that he descends from. Black people, in his view,
are not even human beings, let alone citizens of this country.
We want to think about the unleashing and we said

(02:44:37):
it early on with these ice raids when black people
some black people. Thankfully black people are for the most part,
very very clear that ice raids are not good for
black folks. But we said really early on when the
ice raids started, this is going to be bad for
black people. What if we started to see African Americans

(02:44:58):
who can trace their history to chattel slavery, right, Like
I'm one of what they would call foundational Black Americans.
I think is what some people call us.

Speaker 12 (02:45:10):
Right.

Speaker 8 (02:45:10):
I can trace my lineage. I know my great great
great great grandmother Rachel was brought into Sabine Past, Texas
as an enslaved person. That does not protect me and
my bloodline from Donald Trump, from the ice rage, from
the allegation that we are not citizens, right, And that's

(02:45:33):
what we're starting to see. So the attack on the
fourteenth Amendment is not just meant to be an attack
on those who we traditionally think about as migrants. It's
also an attack on what makes you American and for
us as African folks who were born in America, who
can trace our ancestry who built this country. What he's

(02:45:56):
also doing is attacking our right to the resources to
the land here, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:46:03):
And what does that mean? Do you think this means
this silence that the talk of reparations. Then if that's
the case, if they're effective in doing this, and he's
got to you know, it's the Supreme Court is brow
and tat all. The Supreme Court, there's a good chance
that they may rub a stamp because everything that he's
asked him to do, they've done it. What does this
mean for reparations? Does that silence representation voices.

Speaker 8 (02:46:28):
It doesn't silence our voices. But I think that we
be we'd be beyond naives to think that he's going
to pay reparations to those of us who would descend
from chattel slavery. He's not going to be the one
we got to keep fighting for. It doesn't mean we
stapp the fight, but he's not going to be the

(02:46:49):
one to listen to us. So I think that we
got to be real clear about that. It doesn't mean
stop the fight. It means we engage more vigorously. But no,
he's not friendly reparations. I mean also think about we're
talking about ourselves as black people. Have you seen what's
happening to the Indigenous people of this land that just

(02:47:12):
days before Thanksgiving he rounded up an Indigenous person who's
registered as a member of an indigenous tribe rounded her up.
Have you seen the number of Indigenous people who are
being rounded up by ice and threatened with deportation on
their own stolen land. No, he's not friendly to black reparations.

(02:47:35):
He is not friendly to even the Indigenous people of
this land. What Donald Trump is doing is trying to
double down on the theft of the land and the
theft of our labor, and the theft of black people
as a stolen body of labor in life.

Speaker 1 (02:47:56):
Finally, just checking a twenty nine minutes away from the
top day, I would talk to me Lee Abdullah. Some
of you may recall she was a vice pessional presidential
candidate with Corneill West in the last election. She's also
the founding met with Black Lives. No matter the previous
guest that doctor Milina said that we need another Gary movement,
another meeting of Black power moving Garret, we need to

(02:48:17):
fashion a black agenda. Your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (02:48:21):
For sure, And I'm really really grateful that there's organizations
like Community Movement Builders. We just had a few months ago,
and they gather us every other year for the Black
Radical Organizing Convention. We just gathered in Cleveland a couple
months ago for the Movement for Black Lives Convening. These

(02:48:43):
things are happening and will continue to gather. I think
it's also important that we gather locally, and so we
want to encourage everybody to join a BLM grassroots chapter.
There's fifty two chapters all around the country. And if
that's not your thing, then get down with something that
is your thing. Harriet's wildest dreams in DC is around.

(02:49:07):
We love for folks to organize with Harriet's. There's lots
of different organizations. I think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 5 (02:49:14):
The only thing.

Speaker 8 (02:49:15):
And again we were with the son of Umia Jamal
last Tuesday and Jamal Ibn Lomiah was saying, the only
thing that's gonna protect us, the only thing that's gonna
advance Black people right now is ourselves. So we have
to double down on organized and we can't be looking
to even there. I'm glad that I get to point

(02:49:38):
to some good folks who are in office. Right. I'm
really really impressed with what the mayor of Chicago is doing,
really impressed with him, really impressed with the willingness of
Ilhan Omar to say, look, Donald Trump wants to come
for me, come for me, right. I'm really impressed with
folks like that. And they can't we can't be saying

(02:50:01):
they got it and so we can be quiet. We
got to say they need to keep fighting and they
need us to fight even harder so that they can
be strong. And so the people are the answers. So
get with an organization and the words requireing to ray
organize organized organized.

Speaker 1 (02:50:17):
Yeah, Saint Vein. Though you know, the previous guests talked
about the fact that we need an agenda. We don't
have a sort of a leadership. We don't have. I
guess when people think about black leaders. And again, regardless
of how you feel about Reverend Jackson, at least he
spoke up for us. He says, the silence is deafening
from our civil rights groups and from the Congression Black Caucus,

(02:50:41):
all these We're being hit left and right. Every other day.
There's some rights being stripped away, or being silenced, or
or being erased at some point, but there's no pushback.
Your thoughts, So why is this? So are we waiting
for somebody else, another leader to step up to lead
us out of this? You know, I guess what we

(02:51:01):
we're trapped in right now? Your thoughts, doctor Malina, So.

Speaker 8 (02:51:08):
You got get me in trouble now. I'm gonna say
this one. There are people who are speaking of right.
There are people who are being as loud as they
can with the resources they have to speak up. So again,
I want to uplift the tremendous work that's happening in
places like Birmingham, Alabama with our Black Lives Matter Grassroots

(02:51:28):
Birmingham chapter. We just had another black man killed, Jamal
Williams in Birmingham. There are people speaking up, and it's
not just in response to those attacks. It's also building
what is it that we want. We want, you know,
schools that are nurturing for our children. We want to
make sure that we have public safety systems that are
grounded in community, not the police who kill us. We believe,

(02:51:52):
we know, we have a right to livable wage jobs
where you can survive on what it is you make,
rather than being put shout of homes and apartments because
of lack of affordability. So there are people who are
speaking up, but we got to remember also that many
of those who choose to be a part of kind

(02:52:13):
of the system are paid off by those who have
interests that are paralleled with white supremacist capitalism. That you know,
track APAK is a real thing. There's a reason why
Haikin Jeffery says the things that he does. Track APAK.
That's the American Israeli They call it a public affairs committee,

(02:52:37):
but it's really a political action committee, right. APAK and
the influence of the Israeli lobby has taken over so
many black elected officials, and I mean it's almost all
of them. The ones who dare to speak up, like
a Jamal Bowman, like a Cory Bush, even like an

(02:52:57):
ilhan Omar, who they haven't been successful in ousting yet
they are targeted. And those of us who aren't even
elected a pack and the Israeli lobby target So if
people look up why I'm in the news right now,
it's because I'm under attacked by the Israeli lobby. Those
of us who dare to say, don't send billions of

(02:53:18):
US tax dollars to Israel to genocide the Palestinians. We
need those dollars at home to make sure our folks
are housed. We are directly attacked. Our lives are threatened
by a pack, and so they have bought off a pack,
and this Israeli lobby have bought off so many elected

(02:53:41):
officials that all, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:53:45):
Yeah, holds all right, doctor Melline. I'll let you expound
on that when you get back some And the question too,
do we need our own lobbying group? Do we need
a black lobbyist special specializes specializes in helping us now
those other kinds will help other folks with just specializing
helping black people. I want to get your response. Family,
you two can join us eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. We have a question for doctor

(02:54:06):
Malina and we'll take your calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for starting your week with us. It's seventeen minutes
away from the top there with doctor Malina Abdilla. Doctor
Malina mostly may recall she was the vice presidential candidate
on the ticket that was led by Cornell West in
the last presidential election. Also, she's one of the founding
members of Black Lives Matter. We're talking politics at doctor
Malina right now, and she mentioned that the APAC group

(02:54:28):
that practically is in the pocket, as all our black
politicis in the pocket. That's why they're so impotent. But
what do we need I'll ring to finish your thought.
And then do we need our own black lobbying group?

Speaker 8 (02:54:40):
Yes, we absolutely do. And we have to remember that
our lobbying has to look different, right, we can't and
trust now, I've recently become the political action chair for
my labor union. I'm a unionized faculty member with the
California Faculty Association. And I've been in these spaces now

(02:55:03):
just for about six months and witnessing how things move.
It's a it's a done deal. They promise, you know,
these elected officials promise themselves. They pledge themselves to whoever

(02:55:23):
can endorse them, to whoever can give them the most
campaign contributions. And so while we need to absolutely advocate,
and I guess we'll use the word lobby as black folks,
we also have to remember that the game itself is
a setup, and so I think our advocacy has to
look different. So yes, while we ask for things and

(02:55:47):
you know, black lives matter grass roots. We just celebrated
again last week the passage of Jakisha's Law, which we
worked with a black elected official to get passed in California.
It's a first war named in honor of a black
woman in the state's history, and it requires a notification
when somebody is killed inside a prison, jail or detention

(02:56:10):
center within twenty four hours. Named in honor of Wakisha Wilson,
who was dead for four days before her family discovered
that she died. That was powerful and that couldn't have
happened without us you know, working with one of these
legislators who's not bought us right. But we have to

(02:56:30):
remember that most of what's moved when we talk about
things like we have to change the entire economic structure
of this country, When we talk about things that are
as massive as reparations or ending police violence, or building
real systems of public safety that are grounded in community.

(02:56:50):
That's not going to come by trying to incorporate ourselves
into a system that's already rigged against us. And so
we got to do what we can do inside the
existing system. But most of our resources, most of our energy,
needs to be invested in building from the outside, and

(02:57:11):
that means making demands, and it also means building alternatives.

Speaker 1 (02:57:16):
Got you fourteen Away from the Top, Brother Gregor's joining
us from Charlotte East Online one Grand Rising Brother Gregory
with doctor Malina Abdullah.

Speaker 10 (02:57:24):
Yes, Grand Rising Brother Carl, Grand Rising doctor Malina Abdullah.

Speaker 5 (02:57:29):
Yes. I want to.

Speaker 10 (02:57:31):
Yes, ma'am, I want to call and ask you a
question about the issue of birthright citizenship. And a couple
of shows back, brother Tony Browner and Brother Karl were
discussing a possible cataclysmic event on the horizon for black people.
And when I did some research on that issue, one

(02:57:52):
of the things that kind of caught my eye was
a possible attack on black citizenship. And as you know,
President Trump has issued an executive order concerning birthright citizenship.
And what I saw up my research, going back to
the dred Scott decision and the fourteenth Amendment, I came

(02:58:13):
to the conclusion that birthright is the first right. That's
the best way I could put it, that birthright citizenship
is what places African Americans under the protection of the
United States Constitution. So when I think many other people
across the country saw that the Supreme Court is going

(02:58:35):
to review the issue, that all arguments are scheduled for April,
and a final decision on birthright citizenship Fourteenth Amendment Section
one is scheduled for possibly in June twenty twenty six,
So we got about six months for what could be
a cataclysmic event for our people. And my question is

(02:58:58):
do you think, based up on your analysis, that the
Supreme Court could possibly do something to nullify birthright citizenship?
And number two, what do you think could be the
ramifications if they do so.

Speaker 8 (02:59:15):
Yes is the short answer to number one. Yes, if
you look at who this Supreme Court is, if you
look at all of their rulings, if you look at
even their agreement to hear this case. Remember they set
their own agenda.

Speaker 12 (02:59:30):
Right.

Speaker 8 (02:59:31):
Yes, I do believe that birthright citizenship is in under attack,
and I do believe that the Supreme Court could rule
to end automatic birthright citizenship. Now, initially, how it'll be
framed is, well, this is really about you know, what

(02:59:52):
do they call them? And I don't like to repeat
their language, but this is the language that they use.
Anchor babies, right, That's what they'll say, saying that this
is about anchor babies. This is about people crossing borders
just to siphon off resources from the United States. And
that's what they'll try to whip us into believing. And

(03:00:14):
they'll try to act like it's not about us what
it is. I think in very very short order, and
Trump is as much as said this that it will
be used to deport because he said he doesn't tend
to deport people for their political beliefs. And so I

(03:00:35):
think that, you know, the pledge of allegiance is going
to be made real. I think people who criticize the
Trump administration and this government, including Black people, who tend
to be the most critical. By every measure, right, every
data point says this that our citizenship are right to

(03:00:56):
this country, to this land, to the nation that our
our ancestors built in that we continue to build is
in real peril.

Speaker 10 (03:01:05):
Wow, thank you very much, doctor Abdullah. One other point,
when I was doing my research, I came to the
conclusion that this possible transition could be a transition from
birthright citizenship to Trump's citizenship. That's the best way I
can frame it. And that's what kind of you made me,

(03:01:27):
you know, think this could be a cataclysmic event for
our people. Because from eighteen sixty eight to twenty twenty five,
millions of black children have been born in this country,
and the minute they were born, they were automatically citizens
and placed under the protections of the United States Constitution.

(03:01:49):
But if the Supreme Court reaches a conclusion that nullifies
birthright citizenship as of July first, twenty twenty six, and
let's just say one hundred year period to twenty one,
twenty six, millions of black children will be born in
this country, but they will not be born as citizens
of the United States. So that would affect the constitutional

(03:02:11):
rights and you as a person who's run for vice
president with doctor Cornell West, it will affect voting rights
because under Trump it will not be automatic. We might
actually have to apply for citizenship. And if you have
to apply for citizenship, you can be denied by Trump.

Speaker 6 (03:02:28):
And the Republicans. So do you think this is a
red alert for the civil rights community this next six
months regarding this issue?

Speaker 8 (03:02:38):
Absolutely? I mean he said that there will be litmus
tests around what entitles you to be an American. That's
what she said. So yes, we should be founding the alarms.
And it's really important that we not say that this
is coming. Remember he's already signed executive orders, he's already

(03:03:01):
he already has this underway. That we don't go into
a panic, that we go into a planning mode. So
what does that mean for us? How do we protect
ourselves against possible imprisonment, against possible deportations. Not just about
the question of whether or not your parents were born here,
because that's what he's framing it as now, but what

(03:03:24):
litmus tests he'll raise about what makes you American and
what beliefs you have to have. And so we have
to make sure that we have, and I think brother
Carl was raising this earlier. What does organizing look like?
How do we make sure that our own communities, we
keep our own communities safe. So we have to have
organized bodies that keep communities safe and that protect each other.

(03:03:49):
That you know, that's one of the chants that we
use when we say what we call asada, we must
love and protect one another. What does that look like?
Loving and protecting one another?

Speaker 3 (03:04:00):
Gotcha?

Speaker 8 (03:04:00):
Thanks, thank you, thank you?

Speaker 1 (03:04:04):
It away from the top. There are cars checking in
from West Palm Beach in Florida's online three Grand Rise
and Carl, your question for doctor Ameliana Adula call there
on line three.

Speaker 5 (03:04:18):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (03:04:19):
I can hear it?

Speaker 3 (03:04:20):
Now?

Speaker 5 (03:04:20):
Go ahead, can you hear me?

Speaker 17 (03:04:22):
I'm praised be the God I wanted to say in
the classroom with Carl Nelson. We are listen to learn,
and what we've learned here today is how to focus
on what our problem is specifically is and we still
focused on the idea of it's the miseducation of us
that is causing us to practice what we've been practicing

(03:04:44):
in the past, and it's not providing us with any
kind of channels to move forward, and I wanted to
say to the Sisterhood into Black Lives Matter, We here
in the state of Florida have a law past as
it relates to the African and African American history, infusing
in to the world of academia, and I would like
to offer that law and the opportunity for us to

(03:05:07):
connect on how we can work truly together to improve
the educational product that we must produce for ourselves. When
you leave today, please police sister, if there's some kind
of way I can get in touch with you to
look at a tangible product that we have here in
the state of Florida and how possible we might be

(03:05:27):
able to do some real constructive things together. And that's
what I wanted to say to you. Car your Chill
came home late to day because for whatever reason here
in Florida was blocked out until about ten or fifteen
minutes ago, and we missed a lot of important stuff
that we take that takes place in the car Nelson

(03:05:48):
brought our classroom, and I just wanted to make that mission.

Speaker 5 (03:05:52):
To you too.

Speaker 17 (03:05:53):
But since I need to get in touch with you
so that we could do something for education, all right,
thank you?

Speaker 1 (03:05:59):
Yeah, get the podcast For those who too were late
because there were some technical issues, just get the podcast.
Doctor Melina, Uh, let me ask you this question, because
we're almost an out of time. In fact, we're just
about out of time. How can folks reach you like
Carl wants to reach you?

Speaker 15 (03:06:16):
What?

Speaker 1 (03:06:17):
How can they if they want to support the real
grassroots black Lives Matter, because we know the money will
go to help our people instead to help the other
groups that the money is going to. How can we
reach you directly.

Speaker 8 (03:06:29):
As brother sure, Brother Carl and anybody. Actually, you're welcome
to email me at Malina at b l M grass
roots dot org. Melina M E l I n A
at b l M grass roots dot org. Also, I
do check my own d M so on social media.

(03:06:50):
I'm doc Meilie mail d O c M e l
L y M E l And for b l M
grass Roots where b l M grass Roots on all
social media and Blmgrassroots dot org. We're putting out our
December newsletter this week, so make sure people plug in there.
And for Brother Carl in West Palm Beach, we have

(03:07:11):
a really really powerful chapter of Black Lives Matter Grassroots
out of Florida, mainly in Tampa, but that's not too
far from you. So that's led by the parents of
Andrew Joseph II, Deanna Hardy Joseph and Andrew Joseph Jr.
Please plug in with them. They are Black Lives Matter

(03:07:32):
grass Roots Florida and so we'd love to have you connect.

Speaker 1 (03:07:36):
There and people listening around the country. Is Black Lives
Matter Chapters that they can do the same thing like
you just offered to call. Can they just go to
your website and find which one is closest to them?
Can they do that?

Speaker 5 (03:07:48):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (03:07:49):
Blmgrassroots dot org. And then if you click on our
work and chapters, it lists all of our fifty two
chapters around the country. And also we got to international
chapter in Sweden. Looking forward to bringing on a couple
of other international chapters in twenty twenty six as well.

Speaker 1 (03:08:09):
Wow, Sweden, impressive. Thank you, doctor Melina, Thank you sharing
your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 8 (03:08:15):
Thank you so much for having me, brother Carl.

Speaker 1 (03:08:17):
All right, doctor Milna Abdua, and Black Lives Matters going
Scandinavian family, it's going out to Sweden and she just
told us. But that's it for the day. Class is dismissed.
Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see
you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on
ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen
fifty WOL

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