Dr. Ray Winbush on Charlie Kirk & Pan-Africanism

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Carl Nelson Show, interacting with the most Submissive.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for waking up with
us on this Tuesday morning. Later, Morgan State University presser
Doctor Ray Wimbush will take over our classroom. Dr Wimbush
will analyze the Charlie kirkshooting and it's aftermath. Dr wimbushall
also discuss the white pastor was warning the white community
about interacting with the black community. But before Dr Wimbush,

(00:49):
educator doctor tyreing Wright, and activist dave On Love will
preview an upcoming pan Africanist conference. But to get a
started moment heard, we're gonna speak with doctor Brooks. Robinson
will update us on his long term economic plan for
Black America. But I see Kevin to open up the
classroom doors for us this Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Good morning, Carl Nelson, Grand Rising. Indeed, it's now time
to ring the bell because classes begin right here.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
On the Collin Nelson Show. University.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Happy Tuesday and the sixteenth of September. How you feeling,
girl Nelson.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm still learning, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's a perpetual activity, and I think that you're making
it contagious we're all continuing to commit to learning, you know,
don't you think?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I hope? So you know, you know when you think
some people don't want to learn though, you know, but
that's another issue. But some people are craving for information.
Right on the other end, some people just just don't care.
But anyway, but you're.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
A master influencer, man, you know, you move to the
of the class.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
You're the number one dean here.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Not exactly, it's just I've been present all the time,
you know, So I've been around some of these master
teachers every single day. So I'm here, I'm in class
all the time. So that's that's that's you know, that
says for something.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
All right, I understand, Dad, It rubs off until you're
passing it on to many of us and helping break
it down. Because let me share some of the trending
headlines with you this morning. And look the Washington Post
fires Karen atya. I think I said the name right
for truthful post about Charlie Kirk and she was firing

(02:40):
from her job. And she says, just because she was
quoting exactly what he said, what do you think get
a chance?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
And she was and she was, she she was just calling.
And the thing is that she was doing it. She
wasn't doing it on the poster, you know, in her column.
She's doing it in so sho meet her own social media.
She was just repeating what he said. But they're going
through now. We talked about the First Amendment rights and
about him his First Amendment rights, Charlie Kirk, that is,

(03:10):
But what about everybody else's Because you've got pilots, you
got teachers, you got health care workers, doctors, and as
you mentioned, writers for the Washington Posts have been fired.
All they did was this post is something they believe,
and they got fired for it. So yeah, and again
with her situation, she's the only black, not gener only
black female, the only black period who's got a column

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now at the Washington Post. So it's a big loss
for people who read the Post, especially black folks.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
And yeah, and she says, and I quote, my journalistic
and moral values for balance compelled me to condemn violence
and murder without engaging in excessive false mourning. For a
man who routinely attacked black women as a group, put
academics in danger by putting them on a watch list,
claimed falsely that black people were better off in the

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era of Jim Crow, said the Civil Rights Act was
a mistake, and favorably reviewed a book that called liberals.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Unhumans in a sense.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Deleted post, a user accused me of supporting violence and fascism.
I made clear that not performing over the top grief
for white men who espoused violence was not the same
as endorsing violence against people in general. And she says,
my only direct reference to Kirk was one post his

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own words on record.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, and it's a shame she has to explain herself. Well,
we know what's going on, and we know what she did,
and you know what she said. They're trying to rewrite
history about this man, and she wasn't having it. And
she tried to what she did. It's a journey, she
tried to she stayed true to the truth and try
to rectify that because he did attack black women. He
did attack Katansi Brown, and he did attack Michelle Obama

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and said that they were basically Dei hires that let
me get the exact quotes. So he said, he said
black women don't have the brain power most of the jobs.
Said that because of you know, basically because of Dei
and he's and This is uhh, this is what doctor
Taylor talked about yesterday. He's a guy who dropped out
of community college family, and he's attacking two black women
that went to Ivy League schools as attorneys to graduate

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from Ivy League schools with law degrees, Katanji from Harvard
and Michelle from Princeton. And he's got the nerve to
attack them, said, you know, saying they don't have any brains.
But it coincideses what's going on in the country right now.
But that's you know, it's a shaming has to come
down to that.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
One thing, one last thing about this sister. She said
they rushed to fire me without even a conversation. And
the post that she made was on Blue Sky, wasn't
even on the Washington Post. It wasn't exactly personal web address,
her personal blog if you will. And you you said
something about that about people having their personal blogs now

(06:01):
being censored.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
If you will.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, No, they're being monitored. So yeah. One one one
of the things they're talking about, Kevin, is that they
may reach out to hold your passport if they go
through your personal blog and you know, you say you're
going to Canada or going to Mexico vacation and they'll
just seize your passport until you can't go, or if
you if you slip through and you try to come back,
they won't let you in. This is this is getting

(06:24):
really deep right now.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, and this sister says it's a part of the
broader purge of black voices from academia, business, government, and media.
And then on Fox News, the host out there suggesting
that home homeless people should be exterminated and they still
keep their jobs, and then she goes on with another
bevy of great adjectives that I'm gonna leave.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
For someone to go and read it.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Read it at newswe dot com. Meanwhile, Uh, President Donald J.
Trump sues the New York Times for fifteen billion dollars
alleging defamation and libel. I guess if you really need money,
you just go out and sue somebody follow the president's example,
because he's suing the Wall Street Journal for ten billion

(07:14):
and suing now the New York Times for fifteen billion
alleging defamation and libel.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Your thoughts, Yeah, again, it's always put a chill on
freedom of speech, and both newspapers reported, is I guess
it's contacts with Epstein, and the one was with the Journal.
They reported it and they checked it out. They severely
checked it out with that doodling that he did with
the birthday card that he sent to Epstein. And he's

(07:43):
still denying it. And you know the post Rupert Murdoch
had his lawyers, and he's got some great lawyers. Even
before they published it, the White House was calling them
and telling them not to publish it, and they ignored it.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
And here's another cody out of what happened to Rupert
Murdoch met with J. D. Evans the day for it
was so connect the thoughts and met with JD. Eve
asud the day before the Wall Street Journal posted that article.
So that the New York Times has done similar. So
it's gone fifty billion dollars. It's the Times worth fifty billion.
Does no but he hopes it will silence them, or

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the threat will be strong enough so no other publication
or or any media entity will say anything about connecting
him with Epstein. That's what that's all about.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Really.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
You know, though, Carl long gone of the days where
if someone said something about you, especially you're in a
powerful position like the President of the United States, you
just write your own paper. Then instead of suing them,
you come up with your own paper. Remember that's what
people like Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton and you know

(08:50):
John Adam. That's what people like that did back in
the day before all of a sudden everybody's a lawyer
and everybody wants to litigate the days. Do you think
that President Trump would be able to come up with
his own newspaper instead?

Speaker 4 (09:08):
I mean he can't everybody? Why not?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right? He could because he come up with his own
media platform or whatever he uses to speak. But here's
the deal, though, Kevin, he could have not done anything. Now,
all of a sudden, everybody knows what the well, what
did the Times do? What are the Times do? So
everybody's gonna check in other people who didn't hear about it.
Just one way, when people say something negative about you,
you have a choice. Either you're gonna magnify it by responding,

(09:31):
or you're just gonna ignore it and the small crowd
the people who heard about it will know it and
he'll die of death right there. So it's your choice.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, you got a point there. If you bring it up,
that makes people more curious, what did it say. What
isn't that letter? Yeah, the birthday letter to Epstein?

Speaker 4 (09:52):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
And finally, man, Pete hev it's skirting the law by
bringing back Confederate names of army based in spite of Congress,
I mean bipartisan Congress. It was Democrats and some Republicans
are prompting a rebuke of the Trump administration by the

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Republican controlled Congress to not use the names of the Confederates.
They were Confederates, they fought against the United States. And
yet hicksf is promoting the idea of bringing back names
such as Fort Bragg, one of the biggest army bases

(10:38):
based on World War One or World War two, one.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Of those world wars.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
They named it Fort Bragg because they wanted the white
people down south to support the idea of giving all
of that land. I tell you, man, I'm still learning girls,
So what are your thoughts about that?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
And then we can go to your guests.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
You know what it is, Kevin. They already tell us
that they're taking their country back. They want to go
back to Jim Crow. This is what we're going to
see is Jim Crow two point zero. And that's all
part of it. That's part of the plan. I mean,
people shouldn't be shocked. Speak the people who listen to
us shouldn't be shocked. Mark Man and I has been
telling us this for years. This is gonna come down,
this is going to happen. So it happens, you go, Okay,
what's the next move? And they told us they were

(11:21):
going to do that in Project twenty twenty five. And
I think it was Michael Embotep who said that they've
they've got completed or almost I think seventy five. I
don't call me to the exact number of what was
they said they were going to do in Project twenty
twenty five. So they following the playbook. So it's not surprising.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Well, according to the Guardian, Braxton Bragg was the most
hated man in the Confederacy even and because he lost
to your list, his grand because of his own self
grandizement and so so this brag guy doesn't deserve to

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be arnored, even from the Confederate standpoint. And so that's
an interesting look at things, but that's the way it
is on this Tuesday, the sixteenth of September.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
So thanks Carl for your time.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Thanks for Kevin for Informos. What's trending this Tuesday morning.
Let's go over to Hawaii though, Doctor Brooks Robson's waiting
for us, Grand Rising, Doctor Brooks Robinson, welcome back to
the program.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Grand Rising to you, mister Nelson. You all are already
often running this morning with some very interesting topics, but
happy to be here and just want to, as I
usually do when we're called to your program, just say
a quick word of thanks and appreciation to you, but
also to that power, that force that makes it all possible,

(12:46):
and of course to the answer. So we always honor
them as.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, always every step of the way, because that's why
we're here. But doctor Brooks out the family, Doctor Brooke Brownson,
the company with a long term economic plan for Black America,
and it's going to give us an update on that
plan for the folks. Did not know that you created
this plan, doctor Robinson? Tell us why you decided to

(13:10):
do this?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Well, let me make Michelle let me if you don't mind,
I want to make two quick adjustments to your statement.
Number one, the long Term Strategic Plan for Black America
that acronym LTSPFBA and we have a website so it's
just a long term strategic plan for Black America LTSPFBA
dot org. That plan is a it is a multidimensional plan.

(13:37):
It covers more than economics, but of course it's heavily
economously is of course economics is important to us. And
that's the first correction. So it's not just an economic plan,
but it has broader implications. We try to all the
people who put it together try to cover all areas
of life. We have nine sectors that we address. Now

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to the second minor is I did not produce. I
did not produce a plane alone with mister Nelson. I
am the rapperteur and as an economist, obviously I had
something to say about what went into the to the plan,
but we all agreed. And if you go to the volume,
if you ever get a copy of the ball, and
you can go to the website, you'll find that those

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who are who are integally involved cover a wide range
of personalities. Now to the main point, why did we
do it? Because there was no such such a such
an animal as they say, right, there was no long
term strategic plans for lack of America. And why not, Well,
we can't we couldn't answer that question, but we could

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respond to the to the dearth of long term planning.
The gap you know in the line where those it
was running back to go through like a truck, right,
we could address that. And so that's what we did. Uh,
the Long Term Strategic Plan Panel put together this plane
were almost a your period and it's been out there
and available to the public since about mid John July nineteen,

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twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
All right, family, just waking up fifteen and a half
the top of that, Doctor Brooks Shrompson joins us from Hawaii.
We're talking about a plan for Black America. And first
part of the plan is economics. Any reason why economics
is the first plan in your platform.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Well, actually, it's an important I won't get into minutia
about it. As I said, there are nine sectors, and
the third sector is economic Economic affairs actually built and
on we built this plan on what are called functions
of government. The international community. Most governments in the world

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captured data about their operations using what is essentially a
ten sector or ten function, this aggregation of their spending
and theirtivity. And the third item in that actually the
fourth we conslated two of them police order, defense, and
police order in safety. So I'll answer very quickly. The

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first one is called general public service. That's kind of
administrative aspect of it. Number two is defense, third is
order in a public order in safety, you know fire,
our police, you know, emergency type operations. And then comes
and number before it comes in economic affairs. And you
can go on down the line there, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
All right, hold up there right there, Dr Robins were
gonna step aside for a few moments. We come back.
We've talked to about the other sectors in the plan
and how we can get involved with the plan, because
he said this took some planning to make this up.
And the reason is you're the only, probably only group
in our community that's come up with a plan looking
at for our people. So we appreciate that you for
doing that. Family just joined us. It's seventeen minutes after

(16:53):
the top there. I guess this doctor Brooks Robson's joined
us from Hawaii this morning. He's got a plan, economic planners,
strategic long term plan. I should say, for Black America,
what are your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
and well taket phone calls next and grandarizing family in
facts of waking up with us on this Tuesday morning.
I guess it is doctor Brooks Robinson. Doctor Brooks Robinson

(17:14):
has created, along with his cohorts, a long term strategic
plan for Black America. What are your thoughts, What are
some of the things that you think we need? So,
Dr Robinson, you mentioned the nine sextus. Economy is only
one sector. Can you would you mind starting over again
and just giving us the nine sectors, just naming the
nine sectors for us?

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Oh? Sure. So we begin with general public service. That's
kind of the administrative aspect of operating Black America. And
we look at Black of America in the context of
this plan as a more independent type entity that we
have more control, we become more self reliant, self determined.
So general public service the administrative arm. Then you get defense,

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public order, and safety. That actually is that's actually two
functions combined into one. So that's number two. Number three
is economic affairs. Number four is environmental affairs. Are environmental concerns.
Number five is housing and community amenities. Number six is
health and wellness. Obviously you can't you know, you can't

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forego health and wellness. And then you go on to
number seven, which involves recreation, religion and culture. Recreation, religion
and culture, you go from there onto education, and from
education you go to social protection. So you have all
of these sectors that are part of what humans what

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we have to do in life in some form, and
so the plan covers them all.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Got you twenty two out there? Tough Dale Mark calling
it from Baltimore has a question for you online to
Grand Rise in Marke you on with Dr Robinson.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
So, good morning, Gaerleman. Very good presentation, Doctor Roberson. I
have a question among the sectors I want to ask.
I was waiting to hear about youth and all a
youth and employment and youth business, and I wanted to
know what plan what do you have in your plans
is for is engaging you into choosing a career, and
if it's in the business or economic world, how how

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did that come to fruition, creating enterprise zones and engage
these young folks they can learn, earn money and be
productive in society. Do you have a program involving youth
in this case?

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Thank you, yes, well, thank you for the call and
it's a good question, and I don't want to in
any way kind of this is that question, but you
need to. It's important to comprehend the nature of the plan.
The plan is a plan that has eight phases and

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it covers one hundred years. So specific programs per se.

Speaker 7 (19:56):
Are not outlined in the plan.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
What's outlined in the plan or phases of development that
will get Black America to where we say we want
to go, to become more independent, more self reliant, and
to basically be free to develop.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
It involve our world.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Do we want to do it? Because of course in
the United States it's been very difficult to do that,
and missus Nelson, you know that to be the case
because you were always talking about the difficulties that we have.
So getting back to the to the callers questions, much
of what he said, that's an old paradigm. You know,
the whole world is changing, and so what the plan does.

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It offers some suggestions about building the framework so that
we can choose and make decisions because we're prepared to
not only adjust what we're doing, but to accommodate the
changes in the world. So so for example, some of
the jobs and programs that people think about that were
in vogue you know a few years ago. They're not

(20:58):
even considered anymore because and robotization. It's dismissed. All of
those positions. Are is going to dismiss them all, from
everything from truck driving to professorships to lawyers. Certain kinds
of law is now being performed by AI. So the

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plan puts up a framework and says, this is the
kind of training we need to do and be prepared
to adjust as time moves forward, so that we can
be positioned to not only operate in a way to
earn income and create wealth and all of that, but
also to move with the times and be prepared to

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optimize our situation so we get the highest level of
well being through this one hundred year period.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
All right, Thanks Mark, Jock good, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Okay, bye bye bye, all.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Right, thanks Mark. Twenty five after top now with miss.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Nelson, let me just alert the caller all he has
to do. If you want to see what the plan
is all about, go to the website Long Term Strategic
Plan for Black America. It's an acronym. The ur L
is an acronym. It is l TSP FVA dot org.
It's on the homepage. It's sitting right at the top
of the homepage. Click on it, and first of all,

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it begins with a nice little executive summary, and then
dive in and wave into the plan and then you
will see specific it's not a general broad set of states. No,
we have very specific recommendations. They're just not in the
form of programs per sae, which has been traditional. As
people talked about plans for Black America. Programs don't work

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anymore per se for a lot of reasons. What we
need is to create a framework that's adjustable and that
can be used, manipulated, change revised as things change. Because,
as we say, the only thing that's consistent is changed itself.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm glad to hear that at twenty six at the
top of the plan is malible that you can change
it because the world has changed since Donald Trump took
offically any second term, and have you made adjustments and
because of what's going on now in the country.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Well, as you.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Know, mister Nelson, we came on your program, you know,
two or three months ago and usage well, out of
that program came the idea of the Long Term Traded Plan.
Implementation team developing. You know, some short pieces that are
on the website that discuss their bulletins are discussings that
black Americans could do, beginning as early as I think

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January February, that that black Americans could do to counteract
what was coming down the PIKEO what was coming down
the cliff or across the edge of the cliff from
the lighthouse. And so yes, we make those kinds of adjustments.
We provide new information so that people can adjust and

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still not only just survive, but thrive as well.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Good to hear that, because these changes every day there
seems like there's something else coming as something more coming,
and so we have to adjust that. I'm sure, I'm
glad it's your plan has those contingency embedded, and so
to make these adjustments because sometimes you got to make
call an audible on a play and that's I'm glad.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
So let me just let me just add to that.
So that was a specific response to you know, your suggestion,
and it was obviously needed. But here's here's the broader context.
In the plane itself, which spans one hundred years, again
every score year, every ten or twenty years, there there
is a directive to reassess, you know, what is been
achieved in the context of the original plan, and to

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see what needs to be adjusted or tweaked or modified,
and then what needs to be added going forward to
make sure that we're successful. So there's a continuous process
of assessment, reassessment, and then making modifications so that the
plan remains viable, you know, achievable and can enable two

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successful black Americans.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
We need a plan. We've talked about this quite a
bit with some of our scholars, and I've noticed that
you haven't. You haven't mentioned reparations. Is there a spotty
man for reparations? Your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Okay? Really, what we do on reparations is the following.
As we were preparing the plan during twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty three, reparation was a hot topic. And
unfortunately after the middle of twenty twenty four, after the
political campaigns were over and black Americans. Let me just

(25:32):
say this, you can go back and watch all of
the Republican Convention, all of the Democratic conventions. I think
you're not going to hear the word reparations maybe once,
maybe twice. So point being on reparations, this is what
we did we have a page on reparations that it
basically says that's the whole animal until unto itself. It's
been around since Congressman Kanye has introduced the builder I

(25:55):
think back in nineteen eighty eight or eighty nine, and
there's been almost no progress. Not because it couldn't be progressed. Well,
because our friends, you know, in the legislature in the Congress,
I'm talking about the Coggression Black Caucus. In our view,
some of them just did not take the action that
could have been taken. They went along as the party
as opposed to going along with what was good for

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lack of America. There are many opportunities to make more happen.
Bottom line is no, we do not go into any
depth about reparations. All we say is reparations. It needs
a whole strategy in and of itself to achieve represation.
To gain reparations, that's a whole another ballgames. But what
we say is, let's be prepared to use any resources

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that might be forthcoming from a reparation's effort or an
agreement with the United States government to provide reparations. We say, yes,
let's be prepared to use those resources, and we have
some recommendations for how that reparation's package should be structured,
but we don't try to address the total reparations issue
in the context of the plan. The long term strategic.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Plant got you thirty minutes. I have the tough air family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning
with doctor Brooks Hrompson and joining us from Hawaii late
at night for him. And he's discussing what his plan is,
long term strategic plan for Black America, and he's got
nine sectors in it. The numbers that you gave us,
doctor Rompson, are they in order or are they just

(27:21):
is that the sequence that you want to do or
just missmash How do you see that?

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Not a miss slash As we said, just you know,
before you suggested that we go through the list and
delineate it, we said that you know this system, this
nine these nine sectors really are formed from a functional
framework that most internet, most governments in the world use

(27:47):
to categorize their spending, both operational and capital spending. Okay,
it's called the functions of government. And we took those
functions we kept in basically in the same order, except
as I said, we complated number two and number three
of those ten functions, Number two was defense. Number three

(28:10):
was public order and safety, you know, police and fire
and some other emergency type operations. We put those into
one category. Otherwise, the scheme that the nine number scheme
is consistent with the functions of government that exist for
governments all around the world to use to classify their

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spending so that nations can be compared one against the other.
That's the reason why the system was developed. And we said, look,
Black America should be a look if we have small
countries all around the world, smaller than the fift forty
five to six million people that Black America has right
here in the United States, so we should be considering
ourselves the thinking about ourselves as a possible nation as well.

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And if we're going to operate like a nation, then
why not structure thoughts about how we want to evolve
over the next hundred years in the same way that
those nations do as well. And so we adopted that
framework and we used it to develop this plan.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Got you twenty eight away from the top af foundly
with doctor Brooks Robson having said that a nation, is
there any thought about connecting with African nations then sort
of a foundation going forward to help us with this plant.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Well, let's say it this way. You know, many of
the great Black minds who've been you know, in the
United States, going back probably in the nineteenth century, definitely
in the twentieth century, you know, from the.

Speaker 7 (29:36):
People who came as immigrants early.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
On, thinking of Marcus Mozan GAVII and then others who
have you know, President Unkuma from Ghana, and so they've
always advised Black Americans don't lose touch with us from
the people of Africa. And then you have the great
minds in Black America, from Malcolm Well, from Annimal Large
Muhammad to Malcolm X. And you can go down the

(30:01):
list and you can find a vay too. State let's
reach back to the continent. And not only that, we
are now beginning to say more so not only look
back to Africa, but there's a whole diask for right
here in the Americas looking south and north now as well.
So let's not lose touch with them. And so what
the plan says is this, Actually it says that there
are four ways that we could potentially go as a people.

(30:26):
Number One, we could do nothing We could just continue,
you know, that's always a choice, right do nothing. We
could just continue as we are and try to operate,
you know, integrated as we are into the American in
New York and then kind of fade away. Because that's
what's going to happen. You're talking about the minimization of
Black Americans in all fares. Well, that could happen. Number two,
we can find to seek right here in the United

(30:49):
States to begin to you know, kind of courting ourselves
off in our areas of influence and are migrate to
certain states, you know, called a blow not to call below.
What's his name, He wrote the book The Black Man Offesto,
The Devil we know Charles Below. He wrote the book
The Devil, you know, the Black American mant Offesto. And

(31:10):
he was advocating this reverse migration to the South. And
it's been a long held idea that black Americans would
do that and take over certain states. Look at the
state of Maryland as a governor right now on this
blaque and so on. So that's the second. We could
kind of migrate and form our own kind of situation
in areas states or smaller areas. The third thing that

(31:34):
we could do is obviously go back to the continent.
And the other thing that we could do is diasthra
much like the Hebrews. Did you know Hebrews went all
over the world when the kingdom was destroyed, when they
were pushed it to exile, and after they tried to
reform the king kingdom and restore the kingdom when that
was a phil they just diaspa of all over the

(31:56):
world and to Europe and to Asia. They went everywhere.
And of course they were also some of the leading
people who came to the Americas at the early part
of the opening up of the Americas. So that can
happen too. So there are four things that can happen,
and so that's what we say, Black America can do
all of those things. The deal that we need to
think about, or what we really need to think about,
is what is best for us. You know, we don't

(32:18):
try to make that decision. We just say these are
the options, these are the alternatives. We need to think
about what is best for us. And that's what the
Plan presents as a real issue that Black America needs
to address.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Twenty five away from the top there with doctor Brooks
Shamson but Josh Robson, I notice you didn't have one
of the sectors who was politics. Is that because politics
permeates each in every sector or do you deliberately leave
that out?

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Well, it's not part of it. You're talking about individuals
getting involved in politics. Well, when you say politics, what
do politicians do? Where do they work in government? What
is the what is the first sector? General public service?
And as I said, it's kind of like the administrative
of government. Maybe I didn't use the word governmental, so
I apologize to that. But when we say general public service,

(33:09):
we're talking about the functions of government, what the government
does as the administrator of the government. And so the
politicians what do they do. They go into government and
they perform there either as basically as elected officials. And
then you also have those who are you know, the
civil service or the servants of the people who work

(33:29):
in government as well. So, yes, politicians are addressed in
that way, but we don't get into the issue of
how do we, you know, manipulate politicians to make them
favorable for us. Now, we just say we have a
general public service. This is what those persons in that
area should be doing over the course of one hundred
years to ensure that Black America reaches its goal of

(33:53):
raising its level of well being to the level that
we desire.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
All right, hold that though right there, and I appreciate
what you're the object, what you're trying to do with
this plan. We got to take a short break. We
got to check the traffic and weather and news in
our different cities. When we come back, though, explain to
us if folks are listening to us right now and
they want to contribute to the plan, if they've got
an idea, if that's if they can do that as well. Family,
you two can join the conversation right now. Reach out

(34:18):
to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six or twenty three minutes away from the top.
We'll take your phone calls after we get caught up
with the latest news, traffic and weather in a different cities.
That's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your
Tuesday with us. I guess it is doctor Brooks Rominson.
He's checking in from Hawaii this morning. He's part of
a group to put together a long term strategic plan

(34:38):
for Black America. What are your thoughts about the plan?
Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. Before we go back to Dr Robinson, though,
let me just remind you come up. Later this morning
we speak with Morgan State University Professor doctor Ray Wimbush. Also,
we're going to speak with the doctor Tyron Wright. She's
an educator and also activist dave On Love. They're going
to preview an upcoming Pan Africanist conference. And later this

(35:00):
week youre going to hear from University of Houstons doctor
Jerald Horn also Meit a physician and the master herbalist,
the Doctor b will be in the house. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio
locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're
in the DMV family, we're rolling on FM ninety five
point nine and AM fourteen fifty wol so Doctor Robson.
Before we left for the news update, my question to

(35:20):
you was, can members of the public or listening to
us right now, and they've got ideas too they'd like
you to consider in the plan commit is that available?

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Of course it is, and they can do more than that,
you know, obviously, we welcome ideas. First of all, we
suggest you know, just take a look. Go to the
website lt st FBA. Those are the initials the acronym
from that phrase long Term Strategic Plans for lack of
Amernarca dot org. So go to the website, look at

(35:51):
the plan, read the executive summary, and then look at
specific sectors if there's an interest. And as you read
and began to have interest and adenify, you know, some
contribution that you can make. Intellectual contribution. We're not looking for,
though money is accepted. We're not asking for money here.

(36:12):
We're asking for intellectual contributions and in willingness to participate
in the implementation thereof Okay, that's what's important, and so
yes we're welcoming that without a doubt. By the way,
mister Nelson, as I heard the lineup for the rest
of the day, I just you know, throwing this in
as a kind of an anecdote. As Kevin said, this morning,

(36:33):
what what a what a university you have going on
every day right here.

Speaker 9 (36:37):
In your program.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Thank you for the kind words. Uh, I get a
front row seat. That's all that is really.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Different's a lot to absorb, is that right?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yes? It is at times it is. But soon let's
talk about health because there's certain health concerns that they're
just just just for us as Black Americans that we
have to do with. Even our brothers and sisters on
the continent of the Caribrian don't have these issues, is
that they have to deal with. One of them is hypertension,
high blood pressure? How how are you going to deal
with that? What's what's in that platform that we should

(37:08):
know about? Or do you need some help in organizing
that as well?

Speaker 5 (37:12):
I know yes we need help. Yes, we need some
help in operating not only what's there, but any new
ideas that come forth from those individuals who want to
participate in the process. What do we mean in the
planet itself and that chapter or that function It says broadly,
what we need to move from is the current paradigm,

(37:36):
which is diagnose and treat. That's that's basically the extent
of it.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Right.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
You go to a physician and the physician says, oh,
what's your problem? First of all, are you going to
tell him or her what your problem is? And they go, oh, yeah,
that's that's what probably is. They may identify something else,
but they're going to ask you to tell them what
it is. So are you the doctor or that is
the doctor of the doctor you have. They have a
lot of training, have asfinements on that. But the current
paradigm is diagnose and treat. What we say or what

(38:07):
we suggested, and uh, you know we had we were
quite vigorous in the discussion of this. Is to move
from that diagnosis, diagnosis and treat, uh to prevent prevent
illness in the first place, and then also fortified the
individual human body so that we can all flourish. So

(38:31):
from diagnose and treat to prevent forti five and flourish.
Now it's as simple as that. When we go into
great detail, we we we provide the statistics which are
appalling that show just as you said, not only are
we very different from our you know, our family members,

(38:54):
our extended family members, and other parts of the world
because they have a different diet. One point that I'm
making real quick, if you don't mind, is that when
you really look at the top illnesses that lack Americans
suffer from the most and in egregious ways, it's all
related to food or you know, things that we can control.
So why do we keep putting ourselves in that situation?

(39:16):
So there's a mental issue here too, in terms of
we have to reprogram ourselves, if you want to use
that term. We have to get up to that mental
level where we say, we're going to take ownership and
we're going to do the right things so that we
don't fall into a need for a diagnose and treat.

Speaker 10 (39:31):
What are we going to do?

Speaker 5 (39:32):
We're gonna prevent? How do we prevent? Just eat the
right foods, get the right exercise and so on. And
then if we prevent, and then if we use the
knowledge that we gain by study, and we don't really
have to study that, but you just have to go
back and recall, you know, the thinking of our ancestors
that we were taught to the extent that it is
still retained in the family, and use those old techniques

(39:55):
and methods to further fortify ourselves, and then we'll be flourishing.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
All right.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Family. Ten away from the top of that, with doctor
Brooks Robinson. Doctor Robson's come up with a long term
strategic plan for Black America, and his plans got the
nine platforms. You know, you know what I love about this,
doctor Robinson, Each one of your platforms. We have some
brilliant brothers and sisters across this planet. I mean absolutely
out of sight brilliants. But they're not working for us,

(40:23):
They're working for the oppressor. How can you convince some
of those brothers to learn to share their talents with you,
with your group, to share it with our family.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
That's a simple issue, brother, I mean miss Nelson, you
know I Self preservation and the loss of a true
concept of African ness. Okay, it's always been about community,
so called community when you're talking about, not not to communism,
but community when it comes to the African tradition. And

(40:55):
we moved completely away from that because we were programmed
by people who who had a whole different way of
looking at life, and that is to accumulate as much
as they could. And some great historians and sociologists have
boiled it down to one simple thing, and Professor John
Henry Clark used to talk about it, and then Mama

(41:18):
used to say, Hey, look, we were placed in the
better part of the earth, Okay, on the continent, warm temperatures, clincherfold, precipitation,
rich soil and so on. We didn't have to worry
about too much. You got streams, you could fish, You've
got berries in the forest, you've got nuts, you've got

(41:40):
your gardens, you can there's so much you can do
and not have to worry about, you know, having a problem.
But the people that were north of us, up in
Europe and Central Asians on, they had hard times up
there because you know, every six months or so it
went back to what that harsh winter. So because of
that mind that maybe, uh, that mentality form, and that's

(42:03):
what we've been affected by, at least in the America
this for the last four hundred plus years. And so
we have adopted some of that, uh, and it means
we get we get the education, and we say, look,
we're gonna do everything we can. We send all this
money to get it. We're gonna do everything we can
to assumiliate wealth for ourselves and for maybe our immediate
family to heck with everybody else.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
And cause you mentioned Marcus Govey earlier in the program,
Marcus Govey also always talks about race first, race first,
something that he's been trying to drum into our heads
ever since he's been here. Race first, race first. Other
groups they know that, as nearly Fuller puts in a
different way, SOS they stay on code. We just don't
want to stay on code. Many of the folks that
you mentioned because we again I'll say this, we've got

(42:47):
some brilliant, absolutely brilliant brothers and sisters in working in
each sector that you just mentioned, but they're not working
for us. And they've been they've been many of them
around the illusion of inclusion and and told to the
you know, they wanted them. They're doing it for the
good a man, humanity. But you know, we don't care
about your folks. You're not like them because you're special.
You've got some you've got special talents. So you're not

(43:10):
right because you know you're not like those folks that
they talk about. You're special, So they pat them on
the head, give them a big salary, and use their talents.
Those are the folks that Dr robson. I'm wondering, how
can we pull them back and get them on your team.
What do we have to say to them to get
them on your team so they can build a better
Black American.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
You know, it's not going to be anything that we say.
It's going to be the changing conditions, okay, And the
current inspiration is beginning to create conditions where you just
talked about the young lady at the Washington Post. You
remember a few months ago, the lady, the black American
woman who was leading MSND I think it was MSNBC.
She had to resign. I mean, look, everywhere you turned,

(43:55):
you were special for a while. But when it came
down to dollars and it and and and uh, the
the the edict, the edict went out. You know, we
don't want black faces, we don't want black ideas in
the public domain. And so if you're gonna be there,
we just don't need it anymore. Right under the Democratic

(44:16):
it was okay with acceptable, it was politically correct. But
now that's all gone by the bye. So it's gonna
be those changing conditions that are gonna motivate and spark
black Americans who are those special persons who are getting
the pattern on the back and you know, the little
nibbles of whatever I teach them, gratified and happy when that,

(44:38):
when that goes away, then you're gonna look up. No,
wait a minute, wait a minute. Maybe I'm not as
as needed or wanted as I thought. You know that
I was, And maybe the best thing for me for
my long term survival is to let me go back
to the other side, and see if I can't help there,
because I do have some knowledge. I do have some insight.
Let's use it to grow. And by the way, those

(45:01):
who are there, many of them would like to help,
but guess what, they can't. They're constrained. So the conditions
will change. And that's what will change the condition.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
If you understand what I mean, I got you stix
away from the topic. I've come to break through soon.
But I gotta ask you this as far as creating
our own businesses, so as you mentioned the person that
MSNBC would have to be fired from their company would
have our own is that part of any part of
your platform it speaks to that.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Well, yes, obviously economic affairs include that number three sector
in the long term strategic plant of Black America. It's
economic affairs. But we don't try to drill down and
you know, specifically say these are the businesses per se
that we need to form and so on and so forth. No,
we say this, We say things are going to change

(45:53):
so rapidly that we have to look at business differently
and we will find the businesses that are most favorable
for us. Obviously, you want to do the basic things
that a country wants to do. You want to be
able to features off, do you want to provide your
own housing, and you want to be able to close yourself.
Those are the free requirements for survival. So those are
areas that we definitely want to, you know, be able

(46:15):
to facilitate production of those goods and services that meet
those basic requirements. And then we start talking about you know.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
What else is required?

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Communications, Yes, education, and so on and so forth. We
are right now to overly heavily invested in certain industries
that we really should not be so heavily invested in,
including government, which is an industry a sector. You know,
we're well over the represented in government, in health at
the low end of the spectrum. Right, we provide a
lot of services, so education and health, transportation, we d

(46:48):
have all the taxes, all the buses, you know. So
we have to reorient the whole structure of where and
what lack of America produces. It's not that difficult to do,
but it takes time, it takes a plan, and it
takes coordination. And that's what this plan.

Speaker 11 (47:04):
Is all about.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Good to hear that, hold that thought right there. We
got to step aside and get caught up with the
latest traffic and weather in our different cities. Three minutes
away from the top of our family, you want to
join our conversation with doctor Brooks Robinson. He's checking in
from Hawaii this morning, so late at night for him
or early in the morning for him. And he's part
of a plan, a group to put together a long
term strategic plan for Black America. What are your thoughts?
Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

(47:26):
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone
calls after the traffic and weather update that's next. And
Grant Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us
and our guest that doctor Brooks Robinson. Doctor Robson's joining
us from Hawaii this morning and he's part of a
group put together a long term strategic plan for Black America.
And doctor doctor Robson, I gotta ask you this question, though,
how do we how do we how do we get

(47:48):
this message across to our folks of this some some
sort of with some sort of urgency, because you know,
we sort of we sort of in a rut, you know,
just we just feel like something, something's got somebody's gonna
come and save us, and it's time for us to
save ourselves. How do we get that message across to
our folks.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Christer Nelson, You just, you know, sometimes the answer is
integral to the question. You said, you said some words
that were religious in nature. You said, save us. Somebody's
going to come and save us. What tradition is that
out of? It's out of the Christian tradition, okay, which

(48:28):
was designed in many ways. Obviously Jesus the personality had
a lot of good things to say, and your guests
early on, which was a repeat of the program from
sometime back. The Reverend Allen who's doing the walks, you
know again, you know, many of his concerns are based
on the Christian tradition. But we just have to flip
that tradition and see it for what it is, not

(48:51):
to throw it away, but to see what it is
and see how it has caused us problems. Okay, No,
you're right. We cannot wait for someone else to come
and save us. We have to save ourselves. We are
not empowered largely because we say give it to Jesus.
Oh yeah, you can give it to Jesus mentally, but
you got to work there's a lot of there's a

(49:14):
lot of you know, situations in the Biblical tradition and
in the Christian tradition which are not consistent. First of all,
it says faith without works is dead, but then the
preachers say, give it to Jesus. So the point is this,
we have as our most important institution in Black America

(49:37):
probably well the family obviously is the most important, but
that second is the church. But you know what happened
in the nineteen seventies with Jim Baker and Tammy Faith
when they introduced you know, prosperity Gospel, they popularized it
and wow, it took off. And that's where the church
aliens gone. And it's because of that that those leaders

(50:01):
in the church, the most formidable institution that could transform,
could be trans And I'm not saying that all churches
are are not you know, favorable and helping black people,
but too many are not doing what they could do
to improve outcomes. So I'll just stop there because I
don't want you know, the bishop's call it calling me
if doctor Robinson, we're gonna call you on the character.

(50:21):
Oh no, no, I don't need that. But really, it
is not only the religious leadership. But it's leadership in
general that has been our problem in many respects, going
way back to Abraham Lincoln when we had a chance
to take territory that he wanted to organize. Uh, and
then you know, the key leader said no, we don't

(50:42):
want to leave this country to take over you know what,
it's part of Central America today. And yes, you cannot.
You cannot check a counterfactual. You cannot prove a counterfactual.
We didn't do it, So what would have happened, We
don't really know. But we didn't even propose the only
thing that we will go We're going to just stay
here and live in this in the United States, and

(51:04):
we know what the outcome has done. So leadership is
so critical, and leadership has been our problem because we've
condigiously made four decisions about how to strategize and create
a plan, which is what this is all about. Create
a long term strategic plan so then we get the
best outcome. I'll stop there, and.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
You know what, I'm just glad that you're doing that,
because many times we talk about the issues, we just
beat up by ourselves and talk about the problems. We
don't know what our problems are, but you've come up
with a plan to solve those problems. And so what
we talk about on this program, we talked about solving problems,
not talking about this and that and that, because everybody
we all know it's black folks, we know around the planet.

(51:45):
We know what our problems are. It's nothing new. But
the question is that very few of us want to
come up with solutions. And this is what you've done
with your plan. I want to thank you this morning
for doing it.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
Beyond that, it goes beyond that. Not only do we
have to you know, generalate, create invent a plan if
you want to use that term, but then you got
to do the work.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, you got to implement.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
You got to do the work to implement it. And
who's willing to do that work? We're so tied up
work for somebody else. We don't have time to spend
on our own situation. People who have lifted themselves out
of you know, bad situations. And Black Americans. Black Americans
do it all the time individually, they work two three jobs, right,

(52:29):
come from nowhere to somewhere.

Speaker 12 (52:31):
But when it.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
Comes to you know, doing that on a on account.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
Of combined basis, unified basis it doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yeah, that's the change we've got to make. Listen, what
time is it in Hawaii right now?

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Well, I'm looking at now watch in the clock here,
it's seven minutes after they are one o'clock, one o'clock
in the morning, six hours behind you.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Wow, well, thank you. It's one o'clock. Well, thank you,
because it's just after seven here as you as you
will know. So just I just want to think of
a stand up all night to provide us and the
fact that you come together with solutions for people. I
just want to thank you for doing that. And please,
you've got people are asking for your web address again?
Can you please repeat that before you leave us?

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Yes? Actually, as I said, it's very simple if they
can remember, long term strategic plan for Black America takes
the first letter of each of those words. It's the
act to them, and then add dot org behind those letters.
They're going to get to the website, just put it
into the URL window and hit return and they'll allot there.

(53:32):
I'll also take this opportunity because you know, I got
involved in this whole process.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
After having.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
Developed a website called Black Economics dot org back in
two thousand and five, which is still live and running.
They can go there too, and they'll find similar in
certain certain cases, the same information we replicate sometimes the
content on some of these on both of these websites,
So black Economics dot org and of course L T.

(54:02):
S T F b A dot org.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
All right, thank you, doctor Robson. If you don't mind,
we'll check in with you periodically to see how the
plan is going and wake up some more of our
folks to join your your program. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
It's not my program, it's our program, sir. And it's
not a program, it's a plan.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
It's a plan. All right, then it's our plan, yes, sir,
thank you, thank you. I stand correct, yes, sir, thank you.
All right, get some sleep now, all.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Right, family, he work needs to be done.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Right, Yes, that's true. We've got a lot of work
to do too. That's doctors doctor Robinson, family, doctor Brooks
Robinson checking in from Hawaii with his plan for Black America.
Let's turn our attention to our next guest, to educated
doctor tiring right, grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 13 (54:50):
Hello, good morning, and brother.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Daveon Love grand Rising, welcome to the program.

Speaker 14 (54:57):
Sure, okay, thank you for having me once again. I'm
so delighted.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I'm brother Davon. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 15 (55:07):
Good morning, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
All right, all right, guys, you guys are going to
have a program, a conference, if you will, Will the
real Pan Africans please stand up? This is supposed to
be a free and urgent community dialogue. Let's start with
doctor Tyre and Rights. As many of you been on
here several times before. She's an educator. Doctor Wright, tell
us about this this program that's coming up on Wednesday.

Speaker 14 (55:31):
Well, I'm one of four people on the panel, and
the conversation is around Pan Africanism and will the real
Pan Africans please stand up? And I think it's it's
timely because we've had a lot of dialogue in the
public realm, social media and a light where people are,

(55:54):
you know, identifying theirselves with ethnic identities and that's but
I think that many are thinking that there is a
trade off that you can identify with your ethnicity as
a black person right and still be a Pan Africanist.

(56:16):
And I think that's one of the things that we're
going to discuss and clarify that there is no contradiction
you know, you can affirm your ethnicity as an African person,
as a black person, but you can also affirm us
as a.

Speaker 13 (56:34):
Whole and talk.

Speaker 14 (56:36):
About and be about our unification, us doing business together,
us sharing intellectual resources to build our communities, not just
locally but globally. So yeah, we're going to clarify all
those issues.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
All right, brother davon your thoughts, well.

Speaker 15 (56:59):
I would say at you know, in addition to what
was just said, I think pan Africanism as a perspective,
as a worldview, as a as a political methodology, is
something that over the past you know, thirty to forty years,
has been marginalized from mainstream discourses around you know, approaches

(57:20):
to black liberation. You know, whether that's in the academy
where you know, pan Africanism and black nationalism are made
caricatures of you know, where some of the worst versions
of the most sensational versions of pan Africanism are.

Speaker 12 (57:37):
Often brought to the fore.

Speaker 15 (57:41):
That's obscured the tradition of Pan Africanism, and it's you know,
a couple of centuries existence in the Western hemisphere. And
so I think for me, one of the importance of
the conversation tomorrow night will be to provide a perspective
on what Pan african Is actually is, its history, is tradition,

(58:03):
and it's applicability to our contemporary time, because I think
there's part of that caricature of Pan Africanism is that
you know, it's just people talking. It is it is,
you know not you know, it doesn't produce, It hasn't
produced anything for our community.

Speaker 9 (58:21):
You know.

Speaker 15 (58:22):
The These are caricatures that I think have been made
popular today and so for me, I think it's important
that we actually educate people again after the tradition of
Pan Africanism, it's applicability, and what its actual principles are
again as opposed to I think some of the marginalization
and caricaturizing of it that we see today.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
All right, family, just checking in twelve After the top
of that, we educated doctor Tyre and right and also
activists at Davon Love. They get part of a panelty
and discussed Pan Afghanism on Wednesdays tomorrow in Baltimore. We'll
give you more details as we go on through the morning.
But doctor Wright, you may about a pushback about Pan Africanism.
Do you think this pushback was created after they saw

(59:04):
that there's an awakening of Pan Africanism, not just in
this country, but on the continent. With this Ahl nations
and all the other Francophone nations in some of the
English speaking nations now coming together. They're pulling down all
these boundaries between them, and then the real af pan
Africanism is being shown by African brothers and sisters. You

(59:24):
think this is why there's some sort of pushback now
coming on this side of the ocean.

Speaker 14 (59:29):
I'm sorry say that last part. Is this why what.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
There's some pushback? You mentioned there was some pushback, yeah.

Speaker 14 (59:37):
Oh yes, oh yes. I think one of the things
that is really impacting the dialogue about Pan Africanism is
on the continent, we have a show and an expression
of Pan Africanism with the unification of the sty Hell State,
and you know it is impacting. Listen, right now, France

(01:00:01):
is catching Hell and they refuse to stay in the
media that it is because African countries are coming together,
particularly the sy Hell Alliance, and that they have kicked
France out, their troops out and things of that nature,
and have said you're not going to exploit our resources anymore. So,

(01:00:22):
you know that's the part. If you're watching the news
that's being left out. And that's important because yes, while
Pan Africanism was born in the diaspora, theoretically and organizationally,
the highest expressions have been on the African continent with
liberation struggles, and hopefully we're still working. We're still moving

(01:00:45):
towards the ideal of a unified Africa, not a United
States of Africa, but a unified Africa that benefits the
people more than it does any European nations. And so
you know, yes, we are getting pushed back because there's
a propaganda war against Pan Africanism because it is working.

Speaker 13 (01:01:08):
It is working.

Speaker 14 (01:01:09):
So what do you do. You start to spread disinformation.
You get people from various groups who should probably subscribe
to it, to destroy it from the inside, to diminish it,
to say, like the brother said, that there is no
there's nothing, it's produced, It has no value to us,

(01:01:32):
and those things are not true. If it didn't produce
anything for us when we came together and work together
to our benefit, then it wasn't pan Africanists to begin with.
Because Pan Africanism certainly produces measurable gains. That is part
of assessing Pan Africanism that it should benefit African people

(01:01:52):
who are struggling against white supremacy and culture vias of
the racism.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Right after that, Tafia and brother Davon, we're coming up
on a break. When we come back, I want you
to address this though. How do we how do we
reach the folks who doctor Wright just mentioned were pushing
back and mostly they're low information of folks. They don't
understand what Pan african is. It's not they've never been.
No one has really showed them or taught them and
explained to them what the concept of Pan Africanism. How

(01:02:22):
do we reach those folks, because I believe you probably
do too. If they understand what pan african is, what
garbashays race first, and what Neelie Fullis has stay on code,
they'll they'll they'll jump, they'll they'll abandon those negative issues
and thoughts that they have about Pan Africanism. I'll let
you explain that when we get back from this break.
Sixteen and a half. The Tafi family, you want to join

(01:02:42):
us on this conversation we're talking about pan Africanism with
doctor Tyren Right and activist Daveon Love. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six. We'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Andank Grand Rising Family. Thanks you for starting your Tuesday
with us. At twenty minutes after the top of the hour,
we have two members of a panel discussing pan Africanism
and the title of the programming will the real pan
Africans please stand up? We have educator doctor Tyren Wright.
You've heard her here before talk about Booker T. Washington
and she's got a book about Book of t Before
she goes, I'll let you give her all information. It's

(01:03:38):
a great book, by the way, it's about Booker T.
Washington and pan Africanism. And also we have activists a
Brother Dave on Love with Us and Brother Day. My
question to you before we left for the break was
the fact there's many of these folks who don't want it.
We know the people who the purveyors who are pushing it.
They're getting paid, of course, but their followers don't understand
what pan africanm is. Is it up to us to

(01:03:59):
teach them what pan Afghanim is. You think if they
understand what pan afgconem is is that they'll they'll you know,
they change their minds, your thoughts.

Speaker 15 (01:04:11):
Well, I think, you know, one of the things that
Asa Hillier once said is that you know, if you
want to teach young people, the best way to teach
them is by doing. And I think that, you know,
one of the challenges that I think we have is that,
you know, there's a lot of conversation about the ideas

(01:04:32):
as to and even in some instances, the history of
what Pan Africanism is. But I think those of us
that subscribe to Pan Africanism it's important to do more
to highlight some of the contemporary work that those who
are Pan Africanists are engaged in, and to highlight the
work that can impact people's material conditions today. And I think,

(01:04:57):
and I would argue that that's one of the challenges
that I would say, and I don't think it's exclusive
to Pan Africanism, but I think applies to I think
many of the kind of revolutionary political perspectives and world
views in our current moment. Is that there isn't enough
conversation that highlights some of the concrete ways these perspectives

(01:05:20):
and approaches are applicable to you know, people's contemporary life.
You know, One of the things that, for instance, that
I'm really proud of of my organization, Readers of a
Beautiful Struggle, is that we're engaged in the political landscape
and are able to be a force to move a
distribution of resources more in the hands of people of
African descent. You know, able to change policy to impact

(01:05:43):
the ways that our community is impacted by the criminal
juvenile justice system. So they are really particular, concrete ways
that we show up in the community that people can
see and feel the impact that it has on their
lives directly. I think that is one of the best
ways to bring people into an understanding of a perspective

(01:06:06):
it is for them to see its real impact on
people's lives, because then he gives people an incentive to
be committed to that perspective of worldview.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Gotcha twenty three off the top of the adopted it right.
You've readen a book about Booker T. Washington and about
his Pan Afghanism, but we sort of overlooked, you think
it because he accomplished so many other things in life.
That is, the Pan africanisnes is part of his portfolio
was sort of pushed to the side, and you're the
one who highlighted that because we knew of all the

(01:06:36):
stuff that book, well most of the stuff that he did.
We never know everything everybody does, but this part was
sort of hidden. How did you Why did you decide
to bring that out?

Speaker 14 (01:06:48):
Because it was hidden it and because it was his
Clanestine life, it was a feature, a staple of his
Clanestine life. He was consistently involved in Africa. He was
consistently involved in establishing a steady stream of students from
the African continent and throughout the diaspora.

Speaker 16 (01:07:11):
Okay, so he.

Speaker 14 (01:07:11):
Didn't leave dies for African people in the diaspora out
or Black people from the diaspara out. Tuskegee becomes a
hub for African students both on the continent, Caribbean, Central
and South America. Yes, we are African in those places
and identifiably so. And so this was a feature of

(01:07:32):
Booker T. Washington's life that was left in the background
until nineteen seventy when his personal papers were opened. And
then that's when we found out all of the things
that he was involved in. And I do think that
he did it for his own safety clandestinely, although there

(01:07:52):
were things he did publicly like support protests and protests
against the atrocities in the Congo and joined the Friends
of the Congo as the Vice President and lobby against
the atrocities being committed in the Congo under King Leopold.

(01:08:13):
And so those are things that he did facing the public,
writing articles propagandizing against those atrocities in the Congo. But
then there are other things that he's doing behind that
seem like shutting down the African Exclusion Measure right, which
is one of the cases in the book where he
challenges the US government on a racist piece of legislation

(01:08:36):
that's said to exclude anyone of the African or Black
race from the United States forever. And Washington mounted the
most the most viable challenge against this piece of legislation
is successfully had it defeated in the Congress where it

(01:08:57):
original where prior to that, it originated in the Senate,
and it passed in the Senate with no issues. So
Washington is ready. He understands that all those black people,
all those African people that the US government is targeting
on the continent Caribbean, Central and South America, and it
was specifically designed for the Caribbean, Central and South America

(01:09:21):
just so people know that the government calls them black
or African, you know, but it would impact African people globally,
and so Washington didn't have to become a Pan African
in that moment. He was already because of a numerous
experiences prior to that. So his identity was intact. And

(01:09:45):
he fights for the right for us to move around
this earth freely, and that includes in and out of
the United States, you know. But it becomes a model
for how we should challenge the racist governments that we
live under. And so no, he couldn't be so public
about everything he was doing, because I think they would

(01:10:08):
have stopped him in his trast He was someone who
engaged power while he's lobbying against the atrocities in the Congo.
He is also an advisor to Theodore Roosevelt and then
Task so he is in the spaces where he can
speak truth to power and challenge them directly, but also

(01:10:30):
joined the people in organizations to say we don't want this.
You do not allow this kind of these kind of
atrocities to take place. With the endorsement of the United
States and other countries who have their hands in the Congo,
he stood up firmly against that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah, and I think it should point out, too, doctor right,
that had he not done that, we would never have
heard of a Malcolm X. We've never heard of a
Lewis Farakah, We've never heard of a Marcus Govi and
Beyonce the fellows who wrote the Lift Every Voice and
sing that from the Bahamas and just found that out. Yeah,
and his brother. You know, so, how do we get

(01:11:13):
that message across to our other folks we're pushing back
on Pan Africanism.

Speaker 14 (01:11:18):
Well, you know this is the thing. You're absolutely right.
So just to make the connection, what you're saying is
is that hy Washington not defeated the African exclusion measure
in nineteen fifteen, the immigration of so many African people
who would come into America and contribute to our struggle would.

Speaker 13 (01:11:38):
Not have happened.

Speaker 14 (01:11:40):
And this is true. First and foremost folks got to
understand the connection. Do I mean not?

Speaker 17 (01:11:46):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Boys?

Speaker 14 (01:11:46):
Garby is coming to the United States for one thing,
in particular to see the sustainable African community that is
Tuskegee Institute, and so he was there under invitation of Washington.
He does not meet Washington. Washington died four months earlier,

(01:12:08):
but it was Washington who invited him as a result
of the International Conference on the Negro. Garvey wanted to
see the inner workings of Tuskegee, the sustainable community that
had forty four industries, and he would eventually come and
see it, but not before Washington defeats the African exclusion

(01:12:29):
measure that was targeting Jamaica in particular for immigration. Okay,
and it is defeated, so Garvey is able to come
into the United States in March of nineteen sixteen, see
Tuskegee and then move on to other places in the
United States, notably the People's Republic of Harlem, where he

(01:12:52):
is able to build the UNIA. And so we wouldn't
have had Garvey, and certainly there would have been no Alcola.
Max and his parents right, his mother coming from the Caribbeans.
His father and mother both members of the UNIA. And
certainly you know that the UNIA was modeled after the
Tuskegee model, not because I said so, because Garvey said so.

(01:13:16):
And he writes Washington as much in his in personal
correspondence right that he has modeled this organization after the
Tuskegee model. That being said so many others, you know
in Chroma Nanda Zieguay. Yes, if you love Obama, No
Obama because his father could never have come from Kenya

(01:13:36):
into the United States. The doors were closed and the
intention was to have them closed forever. And so my
thing is this, we have to get out of this
space where we see ourselves as individual or that individual
group being beneficiaries. Yes, we've got to come together across

(01:13:57):
ethnic identity, within the black race, if you want to
say it that way. We are all connected. They make
no distinction between us, they said, the government black or
African race, and put us in the same category as
undesirables and criminals attempting to enter the country. That's the
other caveat of that little piece of legislation that was

(01:14:21):
in the immigration bill. Right, it wasn't just denying African people,
but it was denying them and vilifying, criminalizing them based
on genealogy. And so you know, coming protecting ourselves is
protecting all of us. Okay, we are stronger together and

(01:14:44):
you know, only caveat for us to understand is that
when we come together, we've always got to respect and
honor each other's polite struggle, contribution to the struggle and
a commitment to moving forward in the future. You know,
that's the kind of relationship that we have to build.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Right twenty eight away from the top of the family,
that's doctor Tying, right. She's along with brother Davon Love.
He's an activist and we're discussing the conferences. They're part
of a panel discussing will the real Pan Africans African
stand up? It's going to be in Baltimore tomorrow. We'll
tell you more about that. But I gotta ask brother
Dave on this because really, dave On, for the folks
who are pushing back, are they refusing to say the African?

(01:15:23):
They don't understand that they're African. And there's a song
that Renaul Karashidi, the late doctor Great Renal Karashidi, always
remind me that Peter tash says, if you're black, you're
an African. There's no two ways around it. If you're
a black person, you're an African. But is it because
these folks don't see themselves as African why they push back?

Speaker 15 (01:15:43):
Well, I think it's a combination of things. I think,
you know, we have to first, you know, be clear
about the societal propaganda that you know, characterized as people
of African descent, it is inherently inferior, and there's a
lay bad message. You know, it resonates through kind of
all aspects ful civil society that then is injectuous in
our community. And so I think even though there's more

(01:16:05):
information about you know, Africa as contributions to world civilization,
not enough of our people have been information and when
they get exposed to are the kind of negative stereotypes.
So I think that's one part of it, that there's
some you know, some some injected shame that people have
about what they think they know about Africa. So I
think that's one part of it. And then I think

(01:16:26):
the other is political. There is intentional political messaging that
has been put out there, particularly by the conservative right wing.
So you think about the emergence of Donald Trump, and
one aspect of the emergence of the kind of more
hardened white nationalists, aspect of our political system that Trump represents,

(01:16:48):
there's a there's a place of overlap between those who
want black people to reject radical political perspectives and approaches,
So an overlap between that and again some of the
internalized self hatred, and so you have the emergence of
you know, athos or FBA. You know these you know,

(01:17:10):
notions of an approach to you know, identifying black people
that distance us from that radical tradition and in their
conservative right wing forces that are financing and platforming, you know,
these perspectives from black folks that resist and rejected, distance
themselves from any notion of being a part of a

(01:17:32):
global African community from the and taking advantage. I think
of a desire, I think, a legitimate desire for black
people here in the United States to have you know,
a set of you know, historical culture, traditions, artifacts that
are specifically our own. I think what happens is that

(01:17:53):
that desire is exploited again by the conservative conservative right
wing to encourage people to form a medical ideology around
that perspective, around that thinking. And I guess the thing.
The other thing I'll say about that is a part
of what I think people who espouse a condemnation of

(01:18:13):
Panafrianism in service of some of these more provincial forms
of black identity, I think a part of what you know,
many of them misunderstands is that the that the Pan
Africanism has a history and tradition of producing social change

(01:18:34):
in our community that many of us don't know about,
you know. So we talked about the Black Power movement,
and we talk about the impact of the Black Power
movement has had on a capacity as a people to
wield power to the extent that we're able to push
backward system of white supremacy. But it's been you know,
Malcolm X. You know, it's someone that you know, a
lot of people know the name, right But if we're

(01:18:56):
clear about his commitment and his approach to Pan Africanism
and his impact on social movements, you know, Black Panther Party,
Republican New Africa, you know, all these things that have
had impacts on the lives of black people today. It's
been Pan Africanism that's been at the center of that.
But again, a lot of our people don't know that
information and that there's that political movement that benefits from

(01:19:19):
our community. Distances are distancing ourselves, you know, from Pan Africanism,
which inherent in it is a criticism of America as
a society that's permanently based in white supremacy and racism,
and that our perspective isn't about making white people like
us or respect us, but it's about us building the

(01:19:39):
power to sovereignty, the ecoism of institutions so that we
can practice self determination. That is something that is key
to Pan Africanism.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
That is a threat at right there, Brother Davion, we
got to step aside and get caught up with the
lady Sneers and we've got a bunch of folks got
questions for you. Both you and doctor Wright family. You
two can join this conversation about Pan Africanism. Reach out
to us at eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we're taking phone calls after
the news. That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for
starting your Tuesday with us and our guest, the educator

(01:20:09):
doctor Tyren Wright and activist Brother Davon loved the part
of a panel is going to be discussing Pan Afghanism
coming up tomorrow. We'll give you all the information about
that before they leave. Just want to remind you. Coming
up later this morning, we're going to speak with Morgan
State University professor doctor Ray Winbush's going to analyze the
Charlie Kirk shooting, also discuss this startling information this pastor

(01:20:30):
had passed on to his community it's warning them the
white community. His community is to be about interacting with us,
the black community. So he's got to break that down
for us. And later this week you're going to hear
from the University of Houston's doctor Gerald Horn, also a
metaphysician and master herbalist. Doctor b will be here. So
if you are in Baltimore, make sure you radio's lotin
tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the
DMV you we're on FM ninety five point nine and

(01:20:52):
AM fourteen fifty WL. As I mentioned, we've got some
folks want to talk to you. Let's go to line three.
First go upstate New York. Brother Ross, Joe joining us, Ross, Jillmer,
Grand Rising, Brother Young with doctor Wright and Brother Davon Y's.

Speaker 18 (01:21:06):
Greetings everyone, Doctor right, brother Love quick question and you
has started it. I guess right before the break. But Ken,
we talk about moving forward and looking at the power
of Booker T. Washington, how important it is as we
get ready to go into mid term elections, as we're
going into local and state elections, how important it is

(01:21:30):
for Pan Africanists to really influence the political elections series,
because policy in America controls what happens in Africa and
the Caribbean. And if we're moving around, there's more people
going back and forth to Africa now than at any time.
How important is it now for us to be thinking
Pan African civically as we're moving to elections. And doctor Wright,

(01:21:54):
we still want you to come to Buffalo so you
can hear the Booker T. Washington Tuskegee machine connection up here.

Speaker 12 (01:22:00):
So we're still waiting.

Speaker 14 (01:22:01):
Okay, well please reach out listen, doctor d R doctor
Tyrem Wright at gmail dot com, d R dot w
R I d R dot T, y R E n
E dot w R I g H T at gmail
dot com. Right, send me an email and we can

(01:22:22):
make that happen.

Speaker 19 (01:22:23):
But yes, it's okay.

Speaker 14 (01:22:26):
So, yes, it's very important for us to keep that
in mind because you're right, we have historically Booker T.
Washington wasn't the only one to uh challenge the US
government on its policy as it relates to Africa. Besides that,
that's my niche right looking at the impact of policies

(01:22:48):
domestic and globally on African populations. Uh, and we had
been doing that, we were involved in doing that. You
have many African people in the United the States Blackele,
the United States who supported the Ethiopian population during the
Italian evasion of Ethiopia. You have us consistently once again

(01:23:13):
friends of the Congo organization that existed since the turn
of the century, the twentieth century, so it's over one
hundred years old at this point.

Speaker 20 (01:23:24):
On and on.

Speaker 14 (01:23:25):
We have always tried to influence US policy on Africa
and African populations. We have supported and solidarity stood in
solidarity with them on the constant as it relates to
various issues. But most certainly we have tried to influence
this particular government because we understand its position in the

(01:23:49):
world and how it has disrupted the progress of so
many countries and so many African countries right the Longo
in particular. We see in not in maybe in my
lifetime or your lifetime, but the changing of arms in
the nineteen sixties from Patrice Lamumba to Mbutu Sefieseku, which

(01:24:12):
was a puppet government, and how the Congo went from
and from Belgian colonialism to international colonialism. Many European hands
in the Congo, and first at the top of the list,
of course, the United States who sanctioned the murder of
Patrice Lamumba. That being said, you know we have always

(01:24:34):
pressed and attended to this day the Friends of the Congos.
You know, I know, you know our brother Karney, miss
the Karney, who still works for Friends of the Congo.
So it's important that we do choose our politicians wisely
who understand that, yes, we have community here, but we
are also part of a global African community. And look,

(01:24:57):
the last thing I want to just say is this,
Why is it's important that we are still and that
we are originally an African people. It's important because everything
that we have survived, make no mistake about it, we
have survived it because we are Africans. I was just
watching the documentary about the indigenous population and how they

(01:25:19):
were decimated with diseases, this, that and the other.

Speaker 21 (01:25:23):
And here is this.

Speaker 14 (01:25:24):
Population brought from the African a continent, African continent, you
can call it the home of humanity who were durable biologically, mentally.
And we come here with the cultural insulation that would
help us survive all that we had survived.

Speaker 21 (01:25:43):
We were another group.

Speaker 14 (01:25:44):
Of people, we would not have survived it. We come
with the extended family formation that we recreate over and
over again. What does that say. It's in us to
create familial organization, and we did that on plantations where
we were technically ethnically different. And so these are the
things that insulated us right through the through our dark

(01:26:09):
period in slavery. And we are a people that defeated
the institution of slavery here. So it's important to understand,
like when you try to say, oh, well, you know
I'm not African, that's way back there. No, it is
that that is the reason you survived it all. That
is the reason culturally, and I guess you could say physiologically,

(01:26:33):
meaning we were physically physically able to survive European onslought
of diseases, black back breaking labor, and we came with
the mental durability to survive it all absolutely because we
have what we have a suicide taboo that we come with.

(01:26:57):
So you only see small occasions where we decide to
engage in mass suicide once off the coast of Ghana
and then Evil Landing, but overwhelming that's not a characteristic
of our culture. Why suicide means because we were insulated
with a culture that said, no, we will not self destruct.

(01:27:17):
We are going to fight and we will produce a
new day.

Speaker 13 (01:27:21):
And so you know, if.

Speaker 14 (01:27:22):
You think Africa has nothing, African people have nothing to
do with you, change that thinking what if? What if?
It is the very reason you still exist. And that's
that's where we need to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Get all right, Old I thought right there, we a
bunch of folks want to talk to you and Brother Davon.
Bob's also upstate New York. Is in Buffalo, is online
on Bob your question for a doctor Wright or Brother Davon.

Speaker 9 (01:27:48):
Blessed little family. Thank you very much for the work
that you do. Is there a way for us? It
is a short notice? Is it a way for us to participate?
Who can't get to Baltimore? And here both of you,
both of you mentioned our global African reality. Is there
any confusion between Pan Africanism and global our global African reality?

(01:28:13):
In my mind, one is continent on the other is global.
But is there a way for us to participate? Who
can't make it to Baltimore on short notice?

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
All right, Brother Davon, you want to handle that?

Speaker 12 (01:28:26):
I'm actually not sure.

Speaker 15 (01:28:28):
I was invited by Jabbari and now tourl conscious heads
in Baltimore. I imagine some of the events. They do lot,
but I'm not sure, so I just I don't know
about the ability to participate.

Speaker 9 (01:28:39):
He that Baltimore right participator. Is there a way for
us to be documented so that we can see what
happened at the event? Those are two thoughts, either participation
or documentation so that it's available for a review at
a later date. Thank you very much for the work
that you do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
All right, thanks Bob. She having away from the top.
Let's go to Carl's in West Palm Beach, Florida is
online too, Carl, your questions for doctor Ryder and or
brother Davon.

Speaker 22 (01:29:11):
Y Grandmarising family. Carl, I say, America is the greatest
example of warfare and she's the greatest country on the
planet Earth. I was considered had we as a people
looked at our situation and look at the possibilities of
having a foreign policy and a domestic policy, because I
believe that the brothers and sisters that are in the

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so called Pan Africanism and the ones that are in
the Ados and the Foundation of Black they're working on
the same paradigm. But they need a mediator, if you will,
to get them to have a real conversation with themselves,
because I know that the foreign people they have to
deal with NATO and bricks and all that kind of stuff.
And then domestically we have to deal with the FBI,

(01:29:56):
the CIA, and right now we're dealing with the National Guard.
So I struggle against white supremacy is somewhat different, and
it's pretty much like what the Europeans have with America.
They have the Democrats and Republicans, both of them fighting
for the same interest. I was just wondering had we
brought that kind of thank thinking into our uh war

(01:30:16):
as we wage war against war, have we thought about
our domestic policy and our foreign policy. And lastly, brother
mentioned earlier about the idea of having some tangible products.
If you could before you leave today, if you would
give us maybe one, two, or three tangible products that
have been delivered to the struggle of those who are

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here in the bounds of North America, would be greatly appreciated.
And that's what I have to say.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Either one of you want to tackle with those questions.

Speaker 15 (01:30:52):
So oh, I'll just say a couple of things. One
is that I think one of the defining distinctions between
Pan Africanism and we see today in FAA and aid US.
It's an identification with America. And that distinction is extremely
important because you know, we think about you think about

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someone like Derek Bell, you know, one of the founding
hereticians of critical race theory. One of the foundational aspects
of that theory is that America is a setular colony,
that racism is a permanent feature of American society. And
if we operate from that vantage point, this is this
is a perspective you get from Dubois is Black reconstruction,
where you know, there's an understanding that you know, America

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is constituted by white supremacy.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
Essential to what it.

Speaker 15 (01:31:39):
Is the project of FBA and aid US as an
attempt to rehabilitate America as having a capacity to deliver
justice for black people, but as Pan African is where
clear that the nature of how we navigate the political
landscape is not by identifying with America, but understanding that
if we organize ourselves on the basis of our power

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and strength as a people, if the source of our
political power is our community, then we can wage the
kind of political warfare needed for us to practice sovereignty
and self determination. And so I would say that that's
one important, important distinction between the two perspectives, and in
some ways an irreconcilable distinction in terms of ideology and perspective,

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because if the source of our power comes from being
an American right, which those of us are Pan African,
are clear about the negligence of the notion that we
in fact are Americans in the sense that we are
going to ever be entitled to the rights and privileges
that this country promises it's white citizens. If we're clear
about that, then we organize ourselves on the basis of

(01:32:43):
understanding that we have to engage in warfare against the
system as opposed to identifying it. And then I'll just
quickly say an example again, I mentioned the work that
you know that I do here in Maryland.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Brother Davion, because we got to take another traffic come back,
so stand by when we come back, though, well, I'll
tell you the difference between those groups and a minister
of far Gun and the Malcolm X because they can't
be on that team, but Clarence Thomas can. And that's
all you need to know. We'll take you calls for
our guests, Doctor Tyron Right and Brother Davon Love after

(01:33:16):
the trafficking weather.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
That's next The Carl Nelson Show you the Most.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Submissive and Grand Rising Family. Thankually rolling with us on

(01:33:47):
this Tuesday morning with our guest doctor Tyrone right. Doctor
Wright is an educator and also brother Davon Love. They're
part of a panel that will the real Pan Africans
please stand up. It's going to be in Baltimore tomorrow.
Actually we give you more details of that. Let me
just finish up with the caller from uh uh was
from Florida. You talked about AIDS and the FDA. I
don't have anywhere else to put it. Those people are

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still if you're still confused about that. Those groups, they
don't like Malcolm, they don't like Minister fire Gun because
they cannot be on their team. But Clarence Thomas can.
That's all you need to know. You don't. You don't
have to debate or anything else. That's all. And if
you ever know something else, should know they were all
created by Republicans. Republican groups behind both of those. They're

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getting paid to create dissension and confusion in our community.
So let me I know you want to chime me
doctor right before you go, but let me let brother
Davon finish his thought.

Speaker 19 (01:34:44):
Yeah, oh you know that.

Speaker 15 (01:34:46):
I think I think you put it secinctly, so I'm good.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
But all right, doctor Wright, well I would agree with that.

Speaker 14 (01:34:53):
I mean, listen, the way you just stated that is profound.
But one of the things I wanted to say about
our connection and what has it done for us and meaning,
because there's been the implication that, you know, African people
internationally have never done anything for African so called Americans

(01:35:13):
or Black Americans, and that's simply not true. I mean, listen,
one of the greatest Pan Africanists of his time was W. E. B.
Du Bois Okay, organizationally and philosophically, he's on point and
he understands. He is one of the early proponents of

(01:35:33):
Pan Africanism. But where does he die, where does he
live in the final years of his life in Ghana?
That is him exercising that Pan African connection. You know,
he's tired. He's waiting, Dubois for the United States to
enforce the Constitution and the reconstruction amendments. It never happened.

(01:35:55):
It has not happened. This is why there is a
conversation about the voting right acts of sixty four and
sixty five. Why would we talk about that if this
country ever enacted or enforced the reconstruction amendments and enforced
the Constitution as it relates to each and every one
of us covered us under the constitution, it hasn't happened.

(01:36:19):
But Dubois is able to leave and seek refuse, so
to speak, in Ghana under Inkruma who says, hey, you
know what, leave there, come here. But also there's some
more controversial situations where we have people in exile in
places that identify with us, right, I mean Cuba. Cuba

(01:36:43):
has a long time said that their mother country is
not or their mother continent is the African continent and
not Europe and Spain. Well, we already know we have
political asylums there for several people, but no, notably you
know our sisters Sarda Shakur and so uh. You know,

(01:37:04):
we have had the benefit of having these kind of
alliances always uh there There are numerous example all the
way back to Henry Highland Garnett. He takes a break
in the Caribbean and he comes back saying that he
was going to fight like hell to destroy every aspect

(01:37:27):
of this racist society. And so he's not using the
term racism certainly at that time, but he is determined
to come back and continue fighting. But he s took
refuse in the Caribbean for a moment to replenish himself
from the fighting that we do here. On and on

(01:37:47):
and on. There are too many examples, but the reality,
Doctor Rak.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Let me bring in doctor ray Winbush. He's on deck.
He's been listening to this conversation. Dr Wimbush, Grand Rising,
who come to the discussion.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
Grand Rising, Brother Carl, doctor Wright, how are you?

Speaker 14 (01:38:06):
I'm well?

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
And Brother Davon Love is with us and we're talking
and they're having they're part of a panel, uh, doctor
wembiss about will the real Pan Africans please stand up?
And one of the issues they mentioned these two black
self hate groups. So they're going around and created by
the Republicans. They're really created not to get you to
vote against the Trump in the last election. That they're
basically Trump's us. And the question is that you know

(01:38:30):
they start our history from when we got here. Can
you explain to them that ancient Africans and the ancient
Egyptians were Africans and the cradle civilization all that we
accomplished because they don't go back that far. And that's
why they play on your thoughts that the only thing
we are just super slaves if you will term you
like to use.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Yeah, it is indeed. And the idea is that the
Egyptians were not Africans. I mean, it's such an old idea,
you know, perpetrated by Europeans. And of course these groups
like a Doll's f b A uh where there there's
so many of them right now, you know, all the freemen.

(01:39:12):
They perpetrate the idea that somehow we're disconnected from Africa.
It's the only group ethnic group that I know of
the disconnects from their origins. And and now you see
these silly ideas coming out of you know that you know,
black folk originated in the United States. Uh, you know,

(01:39:33):
we're the we're the original Americans and all these other
things to confuse us. And I think what it is
is that the system of white supremacy knows that when
African people unite, especially especially on a global level, we
always win. And I think that when you know so,

(01:39:55):
they're trying to anticipate how to disrupt us either now
in so many different ways and unfortunately been successful with
some people who have been paid off to do, you know,
perpetuate this confusion.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
I thank if I having some clarity to that issue.
But doctor went ssh, We'll get to you in a moment.
But doctor Wright and brother Davion, can you tell us
about Wednesday's meeting again? And someone who questions from Buffalo
want to know if it's going to be streamed. The
guys know if it's going to be streamed, if not,
is there going to be a podcast that's going to
be available and if people want to go, is there

(01:40:34):
a phone number? Is a website? How to give us
all the details?

Speaker 10 (01:40:39):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:40:39):
Okay, well I guess I can do that. So it's Wednesday,
September seventeenth, tomorrow at six pm, and it's sad the
TNAT Holistic Wellness Censor five five twenty five Parkers j
R FRD, not Hertford Road in Baltimore, Maryland, one to

(01:41:00):
one for. And so I too do not know if
it's going to be live stream, but I'm pretty sure
our wonderful assistant doctor Deannah, doctor my aunt, she will
make sure that you know either she broadcasts on her
channel or give you a review of it at least.

(01:41:26):
So I'm not sure about the live streaming capability of
the center that we're going to be at, but I'm
pretty sure that you will be able to see parts,
if not all, on Doctor mont show.

Speaker 14 (01:41:39):
So she has doctor Oh yeah, my aunt has a
show on YouTube, and she will I'm pretty sure stream
or at least put up part, if not all, of
the panel.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
All right, before I let you go, doctor Wright, and
Tweeter says, please ask doctor right. White Book of t
didn't have in line someone to continue to grow Tuskegee's
industries after his death. We real quick for us.

Speaker 21 (01:42:07):
Oh yeah, but well, Tuskegee.

Speaker 14 (01:42:09):
Did continue growing as industries. I mean, listen, it is
the only sustainable black community that survived the ravaging of
independent black communities. Most people know Greenwood section of Tosa, Oklahoma.
But that was the least of them, that was the
last of them. There were many, many, many. You know.

(01:42:31):
We had our one hundred and twenty fifth quasi quin
Centennial Conference of the Business, the Business, the National Business League,
I'm sorry, and that was founded by Booker T. Washington. Well,
those industries have grown and spread because the Tuskegee model

(01:42:55):
is out there, and so at Tuskegee. Some of those
industries bill exists and are sustainable on the campus. But
largely yes, there was leadership who continued that, but even
in a larger way they send out industry builders. That
was the point of it all, not just to have

(01:43:16):
the forty four industries there, but to reproduce stuff in
their cadre of students who were essentially teachers who could
teach people how to establish industries and master various industries.
So that has always been there, And I just want
to say, you know, something like the National Business League
where we come together, it is certainly pan African. We have,

(01:43:41):
please all hundreds of people from the continent coming straight
to this conference from an organization that was founded by
Booker T. Washington meant to build industry. So it has
not seached you know.

Speaker 21 (01:43:54):
And if you were in the U and Ia like
our brother is what our brothers on the panel is,
then you now where it came from the idea that
Garvey had to have businesses in various industries? Where does
he get that from? You gets that from the Tuskegee model.
Seeing at the International Conference on the Negro in nineteen twelve,
Tuskegee's forty four industries open up. So now we've fanned

(01:44:17):
out pretty much, and Tuskegee has always been sustained and
it still exists, and it wasn't decimated, but it was
a sustainable black community that really, in essence masperrated.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
As a school.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Okay, thank you, doctor Tyrene Wright. Thank you, brother Davon Love.
And congratulations on the event that you're having tomorrow. If
you got a chance, just calls back up maybe on
Friday and tell us how it turned out. Thank you, guys,
all right, we'll do thank you, all righty thirteen half
the top hours I mentioned doctor wimbusches our guest Dr
Wembush again, we welcome you back Ground Rising because we

(01:44:54):
want to talk about the fallout of the Charlie Kirk
shooting and the aftermath of it. You know, Kevin just
reminded me this morning that one of the writers for
the Washington Post got fired because she said something about
Charlie Kirk. But she didn't she didn't not on Facebook.
One of her social media posts. She didn't use to
the Washington Post is you know, platform to make that.

(01:45:16):
This was a personal thing that she talked about, and
what she said was true and they fired her. What
your thoughts on what's going on over Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
Well, maybe I'll get fired after what I'll have to say.
But you know, this reminds me I was very very
young when the McCarthy you know, I mean, people just
couldn't talk and they couldn't say anything. I'm wondering how
much of this stuff is coming out of Washington, d C.

(01:45:45):
And it's really absent in the rest of the country.
I mean JD. Vans yesterday got up on Kirk's podcast
and actually said, I mean, this is the Vice President
of the United States saying that we you should turn
in people who say anything negative about Charlie Kirk. Charlie

(01:46:09):
Kirk was a racist. You know, several of the NFL teams,
you know, I'm glad Baltimore didn't do it. There were
only five that didn't honor this guy when he you know,
he was a white supremacist. I mean, one of my
colleagues pointed out something like forty something odd phrases that

(01:46:32):
he mentioned during his lifetime, you know, condemning doctor King,
voting of saying that it should the Civil Rights nineteen
sixty four Civil Rights Bill should never have been passed.
And so I think right now that there's a McCarthy
like atmosphere throughout the United States about this guy's death

(01:46:54):
and is frightening because people from all walks of life
have been fired. I didn't know about the guy or
the person at the Washington Post that she was fired.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Yeah, and and the and this. I think that what
he does it sends a chill through reporters that they
don't want to do stories that they're connected to Charle
Charlie Kirk or even talk about it, even have a
conversation like we're having today, because one of the things
they're talking about to uh DR Wimbush is that they're
going to escoy your your media, your personal uh media
platform and see if you say anything about Charlie Cook

(01:47:32):
and they may pull your passport. And we're not talking
about foreigners, we're talking about Americans. You know, they may
not let you leave. They'll they'll seize your passport or
if you're out of the talent out of the country
and by the time you're coming back and they go
through your your social media and say that you saw
something they said something that they that they decide is
against the government or against Charlie Kirk, they're going to
stop you from coming in and this is what's being

(01:47:53):
discussed right now in the administration, so we at that
point now they're trying to put a scare on folks,
just to follow the line, toe the line. I'll let
you respond to that after this breaks. I'm looking at
the time here and then Mark and Houston has a
question for you as well. Family, YouTube can join our conversation.
I guess it's doctor Rimbush, teaches at Morgan State University,
and you can reach him this morning at eight hundred

(01:48:14):
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
And Grand Rising Family, thanks for rolling with us on
this Tuesday morning. I guess is doctor Ray Wimbusch. He
teaches at Morgan State University. Dr Wembersch. Before I left,
my question to you was the chilling effect. You know,
the First Amendment freedom of speech. Now you're afraid and
these are reporters who are doing their jobs. They do
not even doing it on the platform of where they

(01:49:02):
work their personal thoughts. You got the thought police coming
in now and their passports may be confiscated. This is
something that's being discussed, so I want to get your
thoughts on that before I take some calls for you.

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
Well, you know, I've always said that the First Amendment
is only for white people. It has never been for us.
And I'm talking about going way back to the Boys era,
you know, Martin Luther King and so forth. I mean,
you're hearing these things like what is the governor of

(01:49:34):
Utah is saying he wished that it was somebody from
outside or a foreigner. You know, we had fifty black
HBCUs that were threatened. Southern University in Louisiana only open
up yesterday after being shut for three or four days
because of threats there. And the thing about is that

(01:49:57):
none of these people are like doing this one is
you just pointed out on the platform where they're working.
They're doing it on social media and apparently I've read
this morning that a they're using AI to find out
all the people who have said anything negative about you know,

(01:50:18):
Charlie Kirk. So, you know, I never thought I would
see it like this. I've always felt that there has
been a suppression of speech by black people and people
who are marginalized, but It's never been like this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
All right, twenty two after top that's im surely we
already got some folks want to talk to you. Mark
is calling from Houston. He's on line three, Grand Rise
of Markey. I'm with doctor Wimbush. Is Mark there online? Three?
All right, Kevin, let's move on the line too. Then
let's go to Mark in Baltimore, Grand riseing, Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
Grand Riting?

Speaker 23 (01:50:57):
How you doing to day?

Speaker 5 (01:50:58):
Got Carl.

Speaker 20 (01:51:01):
Me and you?

Speaker 23 (01:51:01):
We we talked about this before, dodnor Wynn Bush here
in Baltimore. You know, I'm seventy been in Baltimore, you know,
most of my life. The count, the town of races behavior,
Charlie Kirk. His superpower was that he was messaging wrong
messaging because it's no way that you can uh take

(01:51:23):
up for uh five time draft gardsan cal thirty four
count convicted fell in sexually assault civil case. UH five
hundreds of thousands of people that collectively played billions of
dollarsand taxes. The vice president do you think he should
be fired for him and the Hague having the reporter

(01:51:46):
on the UH on the call that put our troops
in in in harm's way?

Speaker 19 (01:51:53):
Uh?

Speaker 23 (01:51:53):
Do you think that if we would elected the black first,
the black uh vice president to president, that would have
dated some of that that nonsense and stuff. And I
think Trump should be fired too. And I think common
Raci's behavior here in Baltimore and everywhere will negate a

(01:52:15):
lot of that, not that you know, their rhetoric and
stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
What do you think, Well, you know, up until in
my lifetime, up until you know Trump, I thought that
the worst president that I had lived under was Richard Nixon.
He was corrupt. Trump is the prop is the worst
president in American history. And we've had some bad ones
like Andy Jackson or you know, Warren g. Hardy, you know,

(01:52:41):
Richard Nixon, but this guy has taken over the reigns
of the government.

Speaker 18 (01:52:48):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:52:48):
It's the fear that the so called founding fathers had
that uh, this country would be, you know, resort to
being a kingship or a kingdom rather than a democracy
in a republic. And we're seeing that right now. There's
doubts right now whether or not those two boats that

(01:53:11):
Trump blasted out of the water off the shores of
Venezuela were even drug dealers, you know. Maduro says that
they were fisher fishermen, so you know, we don't know.
I mean, you know, truth is always the first casualty
of war. But we're like in a daily, on a

(01:53:32):
daily basis, we're getting fed lies, propaganda, repression, and surveillance
and it's everywhere right now. You know, we had threats
at Morgan State. I don't want to mention anybody's name,
but you know one of my colleagues, you know, we

(01:53:53):
were talking about having her, having her gave away her gender,
but having bodyguards. I mean, this is bad and I've
never seen it like this because of the you know
who's at the top. And yes, Trump should be fired.
Of course he should be fired. You know, he's probably

(01:54:16):
sick as a dog and hopefully he won't last that long.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Twenty five after the time, doctor Ray Wimbers from Morgan
State University. Let's try Mark again in Houston. He's on
nine three. You're on rising Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:54:30):
Okay, Grand Rosey, can you hear me?

Speaker 24 (01:54:32):
My brothers, y'all doing all right this morning?

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (01:54:37):
Okay, all right, look here, my brother, I don't want
to see if I can dialogue.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
With you a little bit on this your situation with
this shoot up?

Speaker 24 (01:54:46):
Do you think there are some type of conspiracy that
is going on in this government because for the simple
fact is, when this young man was supposed to have
been shot, he got he he got a chance to
climb up on the roof. Nobody's showing when he climbed
on the roof. Nobody even saw when he comes down

(01:55:09):
on the roof. Ain't this the same conspiracy what happened
with Donald Trump when he supposed to been shot in Also,
don't you think that we should know this?

Speaker 19 (01:55:21):
Because the.

Speaker 23 (01:55:24):
Couse the dolment.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Right right? Mark, let's give up. You ask him a question,
so let's give me a chance to respond, and I
thank you for your call.

Speaker 24 (01:55:32):
He had broke up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
I'm sorry, all right, thanks Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:55:36):
No, I've never believed that, you know, you know that
Trump there was an attempt at assassination in Butler, Pennsylvania.
I never believed that. I think that was all stage. Secondly,
I shoot, and I've shot. It is hard, you know,
and we still don't know what type of rifle he had.

(01:55:58):
But to take a shot at two hundred yards and
nobody's on a roof and security with relaxed that is
a very difficult shot. I'm lucky to hit the bull's
eye a seventy five yards and I own an AR fifteen,
so you know, you know, I have a colleague, and

(01:56:21):
he says that the United States government is capable of anything.
I don't want to fuel a conspiracy theory or anything
else like that, but I want to wait to see
what this young man who is accused of taking that
shot actually says when he gets in court. You know,
I have my own ideas about what happened, but I'm gonna,

(01:56:45):
you know, again, wait till I hear from this young man,
see what he says.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Yeah, because right now he's refusing to speak. But let
me ask you this, thoughts, Wimbush, do you think this
is all to deflect what's going on with Epstein files?
You think this is really something those Epstein fires's got,
really names and places, and eventually we're gonna hear more
and more that, you know, the dribbling out information about
the Epstein files. But you think this is said just
to deflect that information coming out of us or slow

(01:57:11):
to talk about Epstein.

Speaker 5 (01:57:14):
There's no doubt about that. And that's why I think
we have to tie these two things in together. The
shooting of Charlie Kirk as well as these Epstein files.
You know, the one thing that the right was right
about is that there is a global pedophilic you know circle,

(01:57:36):
and Epstein was at the center of it. Clearly, Donald
Trump was at the near the center of it. Again,
you know, he's full of lies, and so when you
see him say that that wasn't my signature and that's
so called Epstein birthday card, that's a lie. And you know,
but it's amazing how people right now will believe a lot.

(01:57:58):
This is a lot. It's like Gebel said during the
you know KNOXI ear he said, if you're going to
tell a lie, tell a huge lie, because people believe
it more. And it's clear that Trump wants to deflect
inquiry into the Epstein file because he's at the center
of it. And I think that cryptic note that he

(01:58:20):
wrote Epstein on that birthday card, if you deconstructed it,
almost says I'm a pedophile and We've got secrets together
and I'm enjoying this.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
So yeah, yeah, And I got tweet here. Let me
just tread because this tweet to listen to us, and
tweeter says, isn't this a distraction? Should black people need
to unify. Should I'm gonna read it as this, should
black people need to unify and come up with a
plan and stop calling his name and mind our own
black business.

Speaker 5 (01:58:50):
Well, you know, I mean, I mean, the easy answer
is yes to that. But to say that we're going
to ignore the events that are around us, that doesn't
make sense either. I mean, I couldn't ignore being on
Morgan's campus last week while I was teaching, and we
get you know, high alerts. You know, if you're at
an HBCU, you can't ignore the system of white supremacy.

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You have to engage it at some level to try
to have counter racist ideology as well as behavior. So
you know, of course we need to mind our own
business and take care of ourselves and to organize. But
at the same time, you have to keep in mind
that the system is unrelenting in trying to go after us.

(01:59:38):
You know, it's amazing how they're trying to tie this
event into black people. You know, I have a friend
of mine, Sean Jos who works for the AFRO, and
he says, it's like Stonewall Jackson murdered Robert E. Lee
and the Confederacy blame Frederick Douglas, and I think that's

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the case right now. They want to tie somebody of color,
a foreigner, as the governor of Utah said, into this
horrific act. You know. But again, I think only half
of what you know is being told is the truth.
And I think you cannot separate this incident from the Epstein.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
Tile gotcha twenty nine minutes away from the top of
our family. I guess, as you mentioned, he teaches at
Morgan State University's name is doctor ray Wimbush. Got a
question for him. Reach out to us at eight hundred
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Speaker 11 (02:00:40):
Yes, grand Rise and Carl grand Rise into this esteem
Professor doctor ray Winbush. My question is related to I
hear a lot of talk from people in our community
saying we should just stand down, and this is between
you know, the Europeans and different factions of that. I

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wanted to hear doctor Wynn Bush's opinion on that and
that reporter she really was a reporter. She's an opinion
editorial writer for the Washington Post. Her name was Karen
a tie up. I think that's how you pronounced her
last name. And she had just ridden some truth on
one of the social media platforms and she's created a

(02:01:29):
sub stack communication to help support her and basically she's
just telling the truth about the violence in America. And
you know, and that's you know, it continues with this
whole open fascism that you know we experience and uh
and doctor win Bush, we might not have experienced it

(02:01:53):
our lifetime, but this has been going on for a
long time. And that was a salient point when you
talked about the McCarthy era, because that's basically what they're coming.
That's what's happening right now. You know, you're seeing the
beginnings of that. So how do you feel about black
folks sitting this out, you know, stand back and just

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watching things happen.

Speaker 5 (02:02:18):
Well, we can't do that. I mean, you know, it's
like a tennis match scenario that you move your head
back and forth. You've got to engage this system and
try to you know, develop counter racist strategies to deal
with it. If you don't do that, you're going to

(02:02:39):
become a victim of white supremacy. Like Neely Fuller said,
years ago. So I think that the idea that somehow
black people can rise above the violence of the system
of white supremacy, you know, is just kind of ludicrous.
It doesn't make any sense to even think that way.

(02:03:02):
It's actually dangerous to think that way. And as you say,
we have to be able to listen to the rhetoric
of the system and how you know, much of it
is lying. I mean, I'm so tired of hearing this
phrase of this is not who we are. It is

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who we are.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:03:25):
This is the most violent country that has ever existed
on earth. Oh my god, Rome or Greece or anybody else.
It's the most violent society that has ever been on earth.
And to say this is not who we are, after
knowing that this is a history of genocide towards Native people,

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enslavement of African people, you know, and to continue to
say that phrase we're better than this, No.

Speaker 12 (02:03:55):
We are, you know, And I don't know who the
we is.

Speaker 5 (02:03:58):
It certainly isn't black. Is people classified as white? So,
you know, and I think in a student of the
system of white supremacy understands how to deconstruct it, and
then the teach it to others, teach other people how
to look at the system of white supremacy, teach other

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people how to understand how it works.

Speaker 11 (02:04:23):
Oh, I'm so glad you said that, because I've been
saying that for the longest. You know, that colloquialism about
you know, with're better than this and this is not America.
I mean, as you talk about the historical aspect of it,
you can see it perpetuated right now throughout Africa, the
proxy wars that got going on in Ukraine and the

(02:04:45):
genocide they're doing with Israel, you know, using our tax
dollars an America and the armature that's perpetrating genocide in
Israel right now. So thank you for that, and thank
you for all that you contribute to carl showing at
the University of Morgan State.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
All right, thanks Jerry, and we'll come up on a
break that doctor. But again, if you can reiterate, because
this is a question we get, I get all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
What should we do?

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
What is our movement? Now we see what's going on
around us and we know they're trying to pull us
into this. Charlie Kirk thing is what do we do
as a black people? If you can respond to that
when we get back from the shortbreak. I appreciate it.
Family YouTube can join our conversation with doctor Ray Wimbush
for Morgan State University. Reach out to us at eight
hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and

(02:05:35):
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You got a question for doctor Wembush, reach out to
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about with doctor jerld Horn, also metaphysician and master herberalist.

(02:05:59):
Doctor b will be with us as well, So make
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ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV, we're
on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty
w L. Doctor went before you respond to what we
should be doing. The question I want to ask you
about because the article about this white preacher who was
warning his congressaal warning the white committee they should be

(02:06:21):
leary about doing, you know, being around us as black people.
So if you can respond to both of those issues together,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (02:06:29):
Yeah, well this is what Texas passed. The name is
Joe Webbin, and I mean, you know, it's amazing how
white people have to imitate us, Like we give the
talk to our children about you know, being fearful of police,
what to do when we encounter police, and we talked
to our children. I talked to my two sons about it. Well,

(02:06:51):
he says that good white Christian parents should give their
children the talk about the danger of being in crowds
of black people. And then he tries to qualify by saying,
it's okay if those black folks are going to your
church and they're born again Christians, whatever he said, but

(02:07:13):
if they're around crowds of black people, that you need
to tell them to be careful because they're very, very dangerous.
I mean, he's a so called Christian nationalist, which I
don't understand. I understand it's really a Christian white supremacist,
if there is such a thing. And so again this
is the lunacy that is out there right now that

(02:07:36):
white nationalists are, you know, are preaching. The other thing
is the whole thing about what we should do. I
agree with when Elijah Muhammad said years ago, he said
the ninety five percent of black people's probably that we
are not organized, and there are small things that black

(02:07:57):
people should be doing immediately. First of all, every time
I go to talk to a black audience, I always
ask them how many of them own a passport? And
it's interesting that only thirty four percent of black people
own a passport. They have a passport. In other words,
they are confined to this country. They cannot leave this

(02:08:21):
country at all, which is bad. And perhaps if we
were in a smaller land mask we would see, like
if we were on an island some place, almost every
black person has passports and police like Jamaica or Barbados.
So get a passport. The other thing, be prepared to
leave this country and also be prepared to communicate. Talk

(02:08:46):
to a Congressional aid a few years ago, and he
told me that the number one thing that congress people have.
All of them have satellite phones for their families because
in a case of a national emergency or and this
guy is capable of doing it in the White House

(02:09:07):
that they said, well, we're not. We're going to control
all communication. You have to be able to communicate with people,
So make sure that you have, you know, a way
of communicating with your family and finally organized to teach
our people how to organize. So it's good that Devon Loved,

(02:09:30):
my colleague and doctor Wright tomorrow are doing something about
Pan African teaching people about Pan Africanism and why that's
very important. Learning and teaching is a form of organizing
and it's something that all of us can do in
the system of white supremacy.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Fifteen away from the top fail. Let me just say,
those of you who listen to this program for some
time have heard that Monk from Anaheim used to be
regular with us out in LA and here to in
the DC market and also down in Florida. He was
there with us too, and for years he's been telling
her this day is coming. I mean maybe about ten
years he told us this is gonna happen. And let

(02:10:12):
me just preface this by saying everything he's told us
has come true. And a lot of stuff you heard
that Steve Cochley would say or did Gregor would say
they got it from Mark. Mark was working with an intelligence,
you know, at a very high level, so he knew
the people listened to us our program back in the
day they were head of the learning curve because we
heard about Stuther was coming down and before folks who

(02:10:32):
were who didn't listen to the program did not know,
and that's how he gained his reputation. But I'm saying
all that to say he's told us years ago, you
should have a bug out bag. This is what doctor
Wimbish was talking about. You should be prepared to emergency,
have a bug out back. And those of you who
don't know, just google that or google Mark from Anaheim
and listen to some of the programs he's been on
here and some of the ones that has been on

(02:10:54):
online that were not curated by Radio one, but they're
just out there on the internet as well. Hundred and
four five zero seventy eight seventy six fourteen away from
the top of our brother Corliss is calling us from
Waldorf in Maryland. He's online two Grand Rising Brother College.

Speaker 25 (02:11:08):
You're on with doctor Wimbush, Grand Rising Grand Rise of
my dear brother, and welcome to the Dose of reality.

Speaker 19 (02:11:16):
Uh.

Speaker 25 (02:11:16):
I have a question for doctor Wimbush, but just just briefly,
as you got off the last subject there. Uh. You know,
there was a preacher out in California, very prominent black preacher,
I forget his last name of fred was his first name,
Fred Price, and he was preaching on racism. And he

(02:11:40):
said that he was intermingling with some of the white
evangel preachers out there and uh, and they were they
were doing doing great work together until his son started
dating one of the white preacher's daughter, white daughter, and

(02:12:01):
the preacher, white preacher went reperserk, and he said that
we can do a love of a lot of things,
but your son cannot up date my daughter. So I
think we we have to understand, you know, how that
that that system works. But my question to you, doctor,
and this also goes.

Speaker 2 (02:12:22):
To well before you go the cost, let me just
added attendum to to uh, doctor Price, doctor Frederick Price, Uh,
because it was out there at the time. The other
part too, is that he started because of that, he
started preaching about race, and half of his congregation, which
is black, left they didn't want to hear that. They
they you know, they felt they didn't want to hear
they didn't come to church to hear about what racism.

(02:12:42):
They didn't want to hear about Jesus. But he's still
but he still continued, and they kept asking him how
long are you going to do this?

Speaker 19 (02:12:48):
How?

Speaker 2 (02:12:48):
And he says, until the law tells me. And he
kept undo it and kept undoing it, even though he
lost the members of his congregation. He kept ondoing preaching
about racism until he felt that, you know, as he said,
and his words of the Lord telling them that, well
that's enough. But I just want to add that to that,
but I'll let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 25 (02:13:05):
Absolutely absolutely correct on that brother call. But but my
question was it would be when you mentioned a brother
talking about Stonewall Jackson and Robert E.

Speaker 5 (02:13:16):
Lee. Uh.

Speaker 25 (02:13:17):
It brings me to this next subject. Many people forget
that Donald Trump's father was a member of the k
K k UH in New York and very very influential member.

Speaker 5 (02:13:32):
And so.

Speaker 25 (02:13:34):
Can you see that the current regime is trying to
take us back to the Civil War and and what
the Southern people call the War of Northern Aggression or
the Lost Cause, and and and and and they have
never given up the thought that like people should be

(02:13:54):
their servants and says slaves and so in that and
Donald Trump fathered three hundred thousand black women and said,
put your black butts back in the uh in the
house the houses, cleaning white people's houses and then cooking
their food and and and and doing their menial work

(02:14:16):
and stuff like that. Can you see this as a
third aisle analysis of what the intent of of this
regime is uh and and and all of its uh
evilness uh that they perpetrate and are doing uh And
can you respond to that? And I would appreciate it,
thank you, and I'll take it off air, thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:14:38):
Yeah, you know absolutely. Uh. You know, the worst war
that a nation can fight is a civil war.

Speaker 6 (02:14:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:14:46):
It's the war that people want to forget. It's the
war that you know, pitted region against region, your brothers
and sisters against brothers and sisters. The United States has
never given up the civil war. You can't go to
France and they'll celebrate by still day like this country

(02:15:06):
celebrate Fourth of July. But you won't see anybody saying
we want the monarchy again. The United States has always
wanted and revered, you know, the so called civil war.
What Southerners referred to as the laws cause or you know,

(02:15:27):
the College just said, you know, the War of Northern Aggression.
And you still see the Confederate flag flying, you still
see the restoration of monuments that were torn down during
the George Floyd protests five years ago. So you know,

(02:15:48):
the nation is founded, and you know the Kolhannah Brown
talks about it so eloquently in the sixteen nineteen project.
You know that this country is fundamentally a racist country
built on enslavement, and it never has been able to

(02:16:08):
say we've got to move away from that, we better
get away from that. Move on, let's celebrate diversity, equity,
and inclusion rather than to demonize it. It has never
and it will never get pad that. Derek Bell, the
legal scholars, said it and faces at the bottom of
the well, that this country will never ever give up

(02:16:32):
its fundamental racist roots. And I believe that despite what
Tim Scott says, and despite with Clarence Thomas legislation in
the Supreme Court, this country is fundamentally racist. And there's
an attempt right now under this current regime to return

(02:16:54):
to those roots, to make America white again, to make
black folks from serbian.

Speaker 2 (02:17:01):
Ate away from the top of the ais. Thank you,
brother carl Us. Stay out there in Baltimore area. Money
Mike is online three Grand Rising, Money Mike, you're on
with doctor Wimbush. Is Mike there on line three? Kevin,
All right, let's go to Sondra. Sandra's in Baltimore as well.
She's on line five, Grand Rising, Sondra, You're on with

(02:17:22):
doctor Wimbush. Not hearing Sondra? Soandre, are you there? Yes, okay,
you're on the air.

Speaker 13 (02:17:37):
Good morning, doctor Winbush.

Speaker 10 (02:17:38):
How are you?

Speaker 13 (02:17:39):
I mean grand ladle, Grand Rising and call doctor Winbush.
You said, what can we? What can what should black
people do? Black people need to sit down first. You
need to go to the library, pull up history and
shut down and try to learn as much as possible

(02:18:00):
about white supremacy. Because black people have been hook week
and bamboozer. They don't have a clue about the undemining
of white people towards black people until they find out
a learn about that, we will always be behind. And

(02:18:20):
they also need to read the book about addicted to
white people. You got about seventy five percent of black
people who will always be addicted to white people. I
wouldn't care if you put them back and change and
hang them up again. They will still think the white
man in Ice is cold. Donald Trump. See, Donald Trump

(02:18:44):
will die in the office. You know, doctor w Bush,
you familiar with We'll go withson right, Oh yeah, yeah, okay.
Now if you look at his strategy, Donald Trump is
doing the same things that he did when the black
flag came around. He let all them young white soldiers

(02:19:05):
die and they kept him in office knowing that the
man was ill, he was dying, and they kept it
a secret. And Donald Trump is the same way. Donald
Trump is sick. He's ill. I'm watching his demeanor. The
man is dying every day. So what he's doing, he's doing.

Speaker 2 (02:19:23):
Asandra, do some favor because a cup on the bread.
Can you put it in a question for him so
doctor Wimbush can respond.

Speaker 13 (02:19:28):
My question is my question is black people need to
learn their history. Don't you think so?

Speaker 5 (02:19:36):
No? I agree with you, Sandra, And you know, as
I've always said, I wish black focused. Somebody gave me
a wish for Black America. It would be to read
thirty minutes every day something about black people. Just read
anything thirty minutes a day, and it would help us.

(02:19:56):
We have to you know, knowledge his power, and the
more we have of knowledge, the more we understand how
the system of white supremacy works exactly.

Speaker 13 (02:20:08):
And can we do that? We're gonna all weigh biggest
spooks boots check behind the door.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
Thanks Andre, All right, bye bye, I family far away
from the top of the hours, so we got to
take a quick break here. But doctor doctor Man, shall
we come back being Atlanta wants to speak to you, Robert,
and Kansas also wants to get him on the conversation.
You too, Family can reach us at eight hundred four
five zero, seventy eight and seventy six and we'll take
a phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:20:34):
The Carl Nelson Show if I can win the most submission.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
All right, thanks Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with

(02:21:03):
us on this Tuesday morning, and thanks for starting your
week with us as usual. I guess this doctor Ray
Wimbush at the Morgan State University got a bunch of
folks want to speak with doctor Wimbush us show. Let's
go to Atlanta. B Brother Beast waiting for us online
for Grand Rising b you're along with doctor Wimbush, Grand.

Speaker 26 (02:21:19):
Rising, Grand Rising Blah blah. Call Grand Rising bah Bah
Ray Baba Ray. I'd like to discuss first, would you
be would you discuss the Golf Nation on summit that
was hell yesterday, very it was very enlightening them discussing
the attack on Qatar from Israel Israel? And also are

(02:21:41):
you will you mind discussing the Mama Kadafi two thousand
and nine UN speech. It broke a record, it was
ninetieth and ninety three minutes. And why I asked you
to do that because many times, I know, we talk
about a solution to take out struggle to the United
so they'll be Those are my two questions and one

(02:22:03):
about the Ab Nation something that was yesterday. And I
also possible talk about Mamacha Gotzi. I took down nine uns,
thank you and have an outstanding day.

Speaker 5 (02:22:12):
Yeah, I'm real quick on the former. The Gulf Nation conference,
you know, condemned Israel for their you know, bombing a Qatar,
arguably to get Hamas. What's interesting about that whole situation
is that Hamas is in Qatar. Qatar is an ally
of the United States, and Hamas is there to negotiate

(02:22:37):
a ceasefire with Israel. Relative to this, you know, the
Gaza genocide which the United Nations voted was indeed happening
in Gaza, And so why would you try to kill
the people that are trying to negotiate a ceasefire, you know,

(02:22:59):
if you are really interested in ending a war. Israel
is an outlaw nation. Now it has been such for many,
many years, probably since its exception. But it is lawless,
and I'm glad that I forget how many nations voted

(02:23:19):
that it was a genocide occurring in Gaza right now
last night I've read the twenty two more and most
of the you know, people were killed in Gaza. I mean,
it's a scorched first policy to get rid of Israel,
to get rid of Gaza. And I think that Israel

(02:23:41):
launched the invasions to coincide with this Charlie Kirk murder,
because it kind of covers it up a little bit.
I mean, it's the Kirk murder, is assassination is dominating
the news. Umarkadafi wanted to unite Africa, you know, Barack

(02:24:02):
Obama said one of the biggest mistakes of his tenure
was well house think not orchestra, but at least turning
a deaf ear and closed eye to the assassination of Kadafi,
who is trying to unite Africa under one you know,

(02:24:28):
currency and to have a united Africa, which was the
dream of not only him but in Kruma initially in
nineteen fifty seven. I mean, both of the speech should
be studied. And again, the only news out of the
I don't even like to use the term Middle East,
you know, but the only news that I read out

(02:24:50):
of there is really Al Jazeera. It's the only acrid news.
Because any news that you have over here about what's
going on with is You of God is simply a
lie and a distortion.

Speaker 2 (02:25:04):
Yeah, let me pick up on this for after the
top with the Obama of Kadafi taking Cadaphi out. Wasn't
that Hillary Clinton who persuaded Obama to do that in
her position as Secretary of State.

Speaker 9 (02:25:15):
Yeah, and he.

Speaker 5 (02:25:16):
Listened to her, and he shouldn't have. But you know,
and and the reason why Hillary wanted to take kadafiati
again is this whole thing about Israel uh wanting to
be the power in that region of you know, northern Africa.

(02:25:37):
It wants to be the power. I mean, you've eliminated Syria,
You've eliminated Libya. Uh, you're you're eliminating Palestine right now
and continuing to do that makes it the dominant force
in that area. And Hillary told, you know, Obama, you

(02:25:59):
are to do it and put pressure on them. In
his biography or what the book he wrote after uh,
you know, his presidency, he said it was a big mistake.
You know, there was a huge mistake.

Speaker 2 (02:26:14):
So let me ask you this question though, because the
whole thing with Gaza, they're trying to wipe it off
the map. Why do you think there's been no reaction
for you know, the the United Nations that coming, it
should be this week or next week, they're going to
be in town. Why haven't they Do they have any
powers of the toothless to stop it? Why do you
think there's the look in the other you know, look

(02:26:35):
the other way. And this has been going on for years,
for decades, and nobody's stopping them, nobody's checking them. Why
do you think that.

Speaker 5 (02:26:44):
It's because the foreign policy in that region is dominated
by Israel. Uh, there's been books written about the you know,
you should read about APEG American Israeli Political Action Commission Committee,
and they dominate American foreign policy. We haven't stopped aid

(02:27:06):
from Israel at any level. In fact, we've demanded or
they've demanded more. And as somebody wrote this week, there's
three white men in the world that are causing most
of the world's problems, and all of them if they don't,
if they get out of office, they're going to jail.
And that's putin men, Yahoo and Trump, and that's three.

(02:27:32):
I mean, those are the big you know, white three
white men causing most of the problems in the world
right now. And Israel is just you know, then Yahoo
is just a reflection of Trump's administration and the genocide
and the United Nations impetus in this regard is because

(02:27:53):
Israel and the United States, you know, dominate the Security
Council and they're not going to move. I mean, you
see that Israel has killed you in forces who are
bringing food into the country, and they're saying that there's
no famine in Gaza, and clearly there's famine in Gaza,

(02:28:14):
but it's it's genocide and I'm glad that you in
voted that, but it's not going to do any good.
What's her name or MSNBC that was fired, she said
a few weeks ago the two issues that you don't
talk about, joy Read. The two issues that you don't

(02:28:35):
talk a lot about critically is the Trump administration because
he sues everybody. And the third is, as she said,
humanize the Palestinians. You always see these interviews with you know,
you know, personalizing the Israelis that were killed, but you
just see crying Palestinians and starving children in Gaza, and

(02:28:59):
they don't humanize them. And you don't do that because again,
the media in this country is dominated by and large
by Israeli foreign policy towards the United States.

Speaker 2 (02:29:15):
Had some real talk right there. Eight after the top
there robertson Kansas. He's online too, Grand Rising. Robert, your
question for doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 12 (02:29:24):
Well, it's actually a comment. Uh you know doctor Wimbush.
Me personally, I wouldn't have a problem sending my condolences
to the Kirk family. I know it's got to be
hard anytime somebody loses a family member. But also you
have to question some of the things that Charlie Kirk said,
like when he said that if he was on an

(02:29:45):
airplane and he saw a black pilot, the first thing
he would question was whether that pilot was a DEI
higher or whether he was actually qualified to fly the plane.
And the question I'm asking myself is when did these
air line started start start hiring people who don't have
any training to f to plot to fly a plane.

(02:30:06):
I wouldn't want to be on UH one of those planes.
But this is this is what Trump believes in. That's
the reason why Trump wanted to get rid of He
wanted to remove the the ski airmen from the UH,
UH from from from government website because Trump believes that
anytime a black person has any type of skill, UH,

(02:30:28):
it's not because of their skills, it's because they they
all are DEI and and and and and. As far
as him firing people people getting fired in the news media,
you can go back to when Hitler took over UH
as as Chandler in nineteen thirty three. He he shut
down any radio or television station that spoke out against
what he was doing. So thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 5 (02:30:52):
No, No, I mean, you're absolutely right. And I've said before,
the path to a dictatorship has to deal with three things.
It has to a week in the government, which was
done under Doge and Elon Musk. The second thing, it
has to go after universities, which the Trump administration is
doing now with Harvard Columbia, although Harvard won a victory

(02:31:14):
last week in court. And the third thing it has
to do is to attack the media, and it's been
doing that by suing ABC, CBS and so forth. So
we're on the path to a dictatorship. And as Rachel
Maddow said a few weeks ago, we're already here. You know,

(02:31:35):
we're seeing the erosion of nearly every civil right and
bill of right being eroded right now by this outlaw
administration right now.

Speaker 2 (02:31:47):
Minutes after topic with doctor Ray Wimbush, let's go to Memphis.
Marcus is waiting for us. He's online. Three grand rising, brother, Marcus.
You're on with doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 20 (02:31:56):
Yes, grand riseing and grind rising until that's Win Bush.
You know so when no, Trump's daddy was a rasist,
and Trump's grandfather he was down here in Maybia killing them,
you know, practicing genocide down here in Namibia.

Speaker 19 (02:32:16):
You know.

Speaker 27 (02:32:17):
So he comes from a line I rest So I
don't know why our people so oh no, he ain't
no races. Look at the man's history. Well, professor, when
Bush and wanna ask you this question, because when I
study American history, it seems like they have black folks
running around and a trade nail. Ever so halful. They

(02:32:39):
give you a little right and then they take it back,
give it you a little bit, and then they take
it back. So the question is should we, given where
we are right now hysterically in this country, should we
spent another fifty years here trying to get along with
these people who have demonstrate the time and time again

(02:33:03):
they don't want to get along with us unless we're
on the bottom. Or should we take the next fifty years.
I say, you know what, Let's go build our own empire.
Let's take our skills and our capital that we have
accumulated here in this country and build Africa, because we

(02:33:25):
know are stronger Africa. We're straightened black people gloabally. And
I want to hear your thoughts and not that Winbush,
and I'll hung up and listen for the response. Thank
you very much.

Speaker 5 (02:33:39):
Well, it's an existential question that I think autimately every
black person has the answer. You know, do we cast
our lot in this country or do we turn our
eyes towards a black nation being in Africa or the Caribbean.
And the answer for me is that you got it.

(02:34:00):
You've got to consider. You must consider if you're black
and as amyer in this country about leaving it. And
I know that's difficult for everybody. Margaret Garvey knew that.
He said, he knew that all black folks weren't going
to leave the United States and go to Africa.

Speaker 13 (02:34:18):
He knew that.

Speaker 5 (02:34:19):
But I think a significant number of people. Oh, I
got a call from a very prominent person this past week.
He has moved his family to Panama right now and
he wants to be in a black nation. My late
colleague and friend, Randall Robinson moved to Naither Saint Kitts,
you know, before he made his transition. So I think

(02:34:42):
that we have to ask that question. And it's difficult
for many of us to ask it and definitely difficult
to answer it. And again is one of the reason
why I say that black folk need to get their
passports to be ready to leave, because one day we
may be forced to lead.

Speaker 2 (02:35:02):
Fourteen ATHLETs off there. With doctor Ray Wimbush, she takes
some more callsium Ambassador Achbar is calling for Washington, DC's
on line four. Ambassador Abar, your question for doctor Wimbush
it's air with all.

Speaker 19 (02:35:13):
The hoop law And would Coretta Scott King or Carol
and Kennedy be at a memorial they're trying to create
this guy with a messiah or with some of the
great politicians and social reformers of America, and which see
is this real news of fatas? Let's say they spotted
this guy somewhere after the fact that the net Yahoo

(02:35:37):
and Trump, you know, they're known as master deceivers in
my network, and they were immediately on the news with
the right cliches to uh, I don't know what they're building,
this guy as a Jesus or Messiah or the white Jesus.
But is this real news or fake news? And would

(02:35:58):
any of those widows be on media say let's build
that wife of Carl of Charles Kurts was on the
at the memorials, say let's build this movement. So that's
my question, is this real news or fake news? And
on the footnote, on the footnote that Trump is the
greatest beneficiary of the loopholes in the system and now

(02:36:22):
we feel that he's in the way, But is that
a way to get him out of the way by
presenting fake news or this real news there.

Speaker 5 (02:36:30):
Mister Windless, Well, you know, his fake news is worked
and it is faith you know again, you know, and
I'm sure I'll be in trouble for saying. I mean,
you know, Charlie Kirk was a racist. You know, Donald
Trump is a racist. Stam Miller is a racist. Uh.

(02:36:56):
What is happening in the United States right now is
an attempt to turn this into a white nationalist nation.
It has always been that to a certain degree, but
now it's overt and we have to understand as black
people what we are going to do about it. What

(02:37:18):
are we going to do with our families? What are
we going to do in terms of saying, maybe this
is not where we should be living right now? What
are we going to do? And you know, and the
idea that you know, you know, as you as the
College has said that Trump benefits from the Charlie Kirk

(02:37:42):
assassination because it takes the attention for a moment off
of the Epstein files. I was glad to hear that
the Republican women.

Speaker 2 (02:37:53):
Right now, who I thought right there at doctor, we
should step aside for a few months. I'd let you
pick it up up with the Republicans Women's if their
response to the Epstein files. Family, you two can get
in on this conversation with our guest that doctor Ray Wimbush.
Teachers of Morgan State University reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:38:12):

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for sticking with us on
this Tuesday morning here with our guest from Morgan State University,
doctor Ray Wimbush. Before we left, Dr Wimbush was going
to respond to our last call up about the Republican
women and the Epstein file, so I'll let you pick
it up from there, Dr Wimbush.

Speaker 5 (02:38:52):
Yeah, very quickly. The Republican women who are wives of
the members of Congress are to be meeting with the
women that have been that were raped and molested by
Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell, his partner, And I'm glad that's

(02:39:12):
happening because maybe that'll put pressure on their husbands to
do the right thing and get these files released. The Senate,
while all this stuff was going on about Kirk voted
against releasing all of the Epstein files. So again we're
on the path to a dictatorship, and we better keep
our eyes on other news that is happening. One of

(02:39:33):
the things that's very disturbing is that there was a
black young man, twenty one year old student, Trey Reid
at Delta State, found hanging on the campus of Delda
State University in Mississippi. And you know, this idea that
black men are just hanging themselves, you know, from trees

(02:39:56):
throughout the South and throughout this country is ludicrous. Are
being lynch and there's further investigation going on in it.
But we have to keep our eyes on what's going
on around us so that we don't become victims of
some of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:40:12):
Gotcha? Twenty two after Top Day hour, Let's go to
LA one Buffalo Soldiers online five as a question for
doctor Wembush, one Buffalo Soldier. Your question for doctor Wimbush, Yes.

Speaker 17 (02:40:24):
Sir, good morning, good morning to you. I was in
Iraq in two thousand and four and we set up Syria,
and believe it or not, less than ten years we
was there. I'm concerned. I'm scared. I know how marcum
Anaheim feel and they protected me when I came back,
but I got to share this. Do they have over

(02:40:45):
ten thousand black slaves and God the neighborhood. But they
give them some kind of other name and it's called something,
But I don't know, so please clarify that for me.
They are over ten thousand black people that are almost
like enslavery and Gaza have a good day, and God
bless you, sir.

Speaker 5 (02:41:06):
Well, well, I don't know about. I'm not sure, so
I don't want to speak on something i'm not sure about.
I know that after Libya philed, there were there were
many black people enslaved in Libya, you know, I don't
know that. I know there are black people in Gaza
in fact that you know, Palatinians and non white people

(02:41:27):
in the first place, and there are many Afro Palestinians
that have been there for centuries even and so but
I don't know anything about that. I'll see what I
can find out.

Speaker 2 (02:41:41):
Yeah, that's interesting. But I know that, as you mentioned,
the Afro Palestinians and just like black folks anywhere on
this planet where we were subjected to to racism. But
I don't think that I haven't heard of them being
being slaves as he mentioned, though I haven't seen that report. Yeah,
but they are Afro Palestinians. The people look just like
us in Palestinians. And then the gossip, but whether or

(02:42:03):
not they're subjected to slavery that I don't know. I
haven't seen that, but you know, because an issue with
with stories like that dr members. A lot of those
stories come out of the internet and there's no there's
no checks and balances that you can, you know, ask
who's there, who's because who's going to the gaza is
going to report truthfully on the guy you mentioned, what's
the agency al Jazia right, Uh, you can, you can

(02:42:29):
get find out ruling what's going on, but everybody else
is the news coming out? There's somoginized. We've had We've
had one of our callers, one of our guests who's
actually been to Garza several times. I've been trying to
get him back on, but he's still over there and
he's the one who's reporting news or what's going on
the real deal, what's going on in Goza. So hopefully
when he gets back stateside, he'll come back and he'll
give us a call so he can tell us what's

(02:42:50):
going on. Because again, like I mentioned, the news coming
out from the Western world, anywhere on this planet. It's
just homognized. It's the same kind of information. Eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six.
Alex Is a joined US in twenty five after tarby
alex Is in Alexandra, alex your question for doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 19 (02:43:10):
Salon and saloon leaders, torah Uh. First thing was brought
me to the question. I wish people would stop saying
that Fred Trump, who is Donald Trump father, was a racist.
Fred Trump was a member of the Republican Party. Republicans
were not racist people. Republicans from the heyday till now

(02:43:35):
never own any slaves. So let let's stop that right now.

Speaker 20 (02:43:41):
But we can.

Speaker 2 (02:43:43):
And let him ask this question for us, because I
alex your question for doctor doctor.

Speaker 19 (02:43:48):
Wimbush, Okay, My question to doctor Ray Wimbush is why
do you keep saying that America is racist? And I'm
gonna tell you why it's not racis. First of all,
I want to are you a landowner?

Speaker 2 (02:44:05):
No, you're asking the question, alex You're another host. Just
ask your question. So let me give doctor Wimbush a
chance to respond. What is your question?

Speaker 19 (02:44:13):
Okay? My question is he keeps saying that a mark
is racist. It's not racist?

Speaker 5 (02:44:20):
Why?

Speaker 19 (02:44:20):
Because I'm a lamb owner. You probably don't even know
how you got the man, but I know how you
got your land.

Speaker 2 (02:44:28):
Then, all right, so now you're making assertions. This is
where we have an issue with you. Alex. Just ask
the question. Don't make it personal, all right, Kevin, get
rid of Alex. Let me let me put it another way,
because somebody else asked this question, but they did it
in a more professional way than Alex. It's says Grand Rising,
call to you and your guest, ask your guests. Are
people confused about who a racist is? People are still

(02:44:49):
asking the question, was Charlie Kirk a racist? And Trump
asked doctor Wimbush to define the word racist and what
sign should we look for in that person? That can
black person and cann blacks be racist? All right, thank you, Alex.
Let's give it. This is how you asked the question.
Be professionally, you don't be personal. So thank you for
your call. And listen, Kevin, please hang upon him, Kevin,

(02:45:12):
please hang upon Alex. All right, doctor Wimbush, can you
respond to the question, because he doesn't know how to
ask a question without making it personal.

Speaker 5 (02:45:19):
Well, you know, you know, it's I'm at a point
Carl that I don't you know, and I've met I
met these folk on the road every place. I feel
like it's almost, you know, ridiculous for me to answer
the question is this country racist? I mean, where do

(02:45:41):
you begin? Do you begin with an enslavement?

Speaker 26 (02:45:45):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (02:45:46):
You know this old canard saying that, you know, the
Democrats and slave black folk during slavery, and now the Republicans.
Lincoln was a Republican. That was one hundred and seventy
years ago.

Speaker 10 (02:45:59):
I mean, I don't you know.

Speaker 5 (02:46:02):
I think as a psychologist, I'm more interested. And you know,
how does a person like the caller or whatever his
name was, you know, how does he get to that point?
It shows the success of white supremacy penetrating the brains

(02:46:25):
of a black person to even at read just start
with something like Sundras hit a few callers. We need
to read things read sixteen nineteen Project. This is not propaganda.
Donald Trump's father was a racist. He was a member

(02:46:46):
of the clan in New York and.

Speaker 14 (02:46:49):
As one caller, the caller.

Speaker 5 (02:46:50):
From the joint said his grandfather was a racist. This
is not under dispute. These are facts. You know, anybody
read with his I've read his nieces biogrape. She's a psychologist.
Oh here, she was a racist. Donald Trump has always

(02:47:13):
been a race. She's heard him over and over use
the N word. So you know that this call or
believes somehow that this is not a racist nation. As
a psychologist, I'm only interested in how his brain got.

Speaker 2 (02:47:30):
Messed up like that, right right, And let's ignore him
for a second, because he always takes it to the
personal level. That's the problem we have, Alex and I
hope you're listening. Just ask the question. Don't get personal.
It's nothing personal. Nobody cares about you or me. We're
trying to find some solutions here. So let me read
the question again, because this other caller, this tweeter put
it in a more professional way, says grand riting carl

(02:47:53):
to you and your guests, ask the guest, are people
confused about who a racist is? People are still asking
the question or Charlie Kirk a racist? And Trump asked
doctor Wimbers to define the way racist and what science
should we look for in that person? Who can be
and can a black person be a racist?

Speaker 5 (02:48:12):
The answer to the last question is no, because Racism
involves power and die and prejudice. Those two have to
go together. Do we have power, yes? Do we exercise
power over white people the way white people and the
system of white supremacy exercises it over us. No, there's

(02:48:33):
no example of someone controlling those none areas that Neelie
Fuller talked about. A racist is somebody who practices racism.
What is racism? Racism is a system of exploitation based
on race, on who you are, and it's always generated

(02:48:53):
to the non white people of the earth. Again, I
would you recommend people who ask that question to read
Isa's papers about doctor Francis Chres Welsing and when you
graduate from that, move on to the Code by Neely Fuller.
I think that people are as you know, my colleague says,

(02:49:16):
is addicted to white the book, you know, addicted to white.
I think that people don't want to believe this is
a racist country. Some black folks want to believe that,
you know, there's equal opportunity for all of us. There
has never been equal opportunity.

Speaker 19 (02:49:35):
For all of us.

Speaker 5 (02:49:36):
We have made it despite with this country has done
to us, not you know, because of it. And again
I think that some of us are very very just again,
is my colleagues, we're addicted to white people. We really
think that they are all right all the time in

(02:50:00):
every aspect of life, and that this country is not
fundamentally racist. And it is fundamentally racist, fundamentally race.

Speaker 2 (02:50:11):
Right, systemic racism, that's what it is, and that's what
and that part of that racism too, makes you we
don't believe that the racism exists. That's how the system,
that's how the system of racism, why supremacy works. The system.
Don't think about the white part of it. It's a system.
It gets you attacking each other instead of keeping your
eyes on the oppression. And all these groups that we

(02:50:31):
talked about are these anti black groups. They're caught up
in that system of racism because they're doing the work
for the master, the oppressor, instead of working for us
black people. So I hope, I can hope Alex understands that.

Speaker 4 (02:50:43):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (02:50:44):
But Alex, please don't attack people when you come on
the radio. We don't do that stuff here. That's why
we're going to have to cut you off. But we
like to hear what you have to say, but do
it in a professional manner. Twenty six minutes away from
the top there. Tyrone's next day's calling from Baltimore. He's
online two grand rising, Tyrone, You're on with doctor Wynm.

Speaker 19 (02:51:01):
Yeah, doctor went was good, good conversation, and you're correct
that the young man Charlie Cared indeed a racist, and
so is Donald Trump. I mean that's does to stop
playing around with that. But my question to you is
do you deny that there is still slavery going on
that's bestly in Africa and with regard to emerald minds

(02:51:21):
and blood diamonds and things of that nature, or some
similar slavery or one step above it. I wouldn't. I
would not be united slavery, not in this day and age.
And now we're capital is the way working in Africa
all the online.

Speaker 5 (02:51:37):
No, I mean you're absolutely. I mean blood diamonds is
a real thing. I mean it's not something that's orchestrat
or fake. There are still gold mines in Africa where
black people live slightly above enslavement. In places like Mauretania,
there's enslavement. All of this stuff though, and we were

(02:51:58):
seeing people like Ibra Hamtree or Bertino Fosso try to
deal with some of this stuff that is a holdover
from colonialism, and so it's not that Africa is free
from this, but we have to always find out who
is the you know, the puppet master behind all of that,

(02:52:19):
who wants you know, certain minerals out of the Congo
and keeps the wars going because of that, Who wants
to go out of Ghana and Burkina Faso and the
oil out of Nigeria. These are it's the European world
which is depleted of all types of minerals to keep

(02:52:42):
the system of enslavement going on throughout the continent of Africa.
Is all of Africa, and you know enslave, of course
not there's beautiful parts of Africa, as we know, the
advast majority of it is, but you know those pockets
of enslaved, nine chances out of ten you're gonna find it.

(02:53:03):
It's European countries that are keeping that slave labor going.

Speaker 2 (02:53:11):
Got you twenty five away from the top they our brother,
say COO's checking in from Baltimore's online four Grand Rising
Brother say coup your question for doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 5 (02:53:20):
John Moo question doctor John Henry Clark. He said back
in the nineties he said that situation.

Speaker 10 (02:53:29):
In Northeast Africa that we were taught to see as
the so called Middle East. He said, that's just a
fight between two groups of white fighting over Lando. Don't
belong to either one. My question is the so called
Palestinian aren't they they're white? And crew and Murray went out,

(02:53:52):
you're from Egypt.

Speaker 19 (02:53:54):
How can they claim to be the Pans, to be
the African and in that.

Speaker 5 (02:54:00):
Part of the world when they are honestly not.

Speaker 10 (02:54:03):
They are not they white?

Speaker 5 (02:54:04):
Quote answer that for me? Would you please thank you?

Speaker 2 (02:54:07):
All right? I thank you, brother said and doctor Wimbers,
I'll let you respond on the other side. We got
to step aside for a few moments. Family, you two
can join our conversation with doctor Ray Wimbush from Morgan
State University. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls, all your calls next Good morning, and
thanks for starting to work with again with us. Nineteen
minutes away from the top day with doctor Ray Wimbush

(02:54:29):
from Morgan State University. Before we left, the brother Saint
Coup in Baltimore had a question. He's he's as socialist.
Is that the palaced in so white? So doctor wembersh
can you respond to his question for us? Thank you?

Speaker 5 (02:54:41):
Yeah. I don't know where you get the quote from,
you know, John Henry Clark, because I've never read that
the whitest grew in the so called you know, there's
a French tirnt called Levant. You know, Obama tried to
bring that in rather than the term Middle East. But
the lightest group there are the Ashkenas and Jews who

(02:55:04):
occupy Israel. Yiddish, for example, is the European language in
so far as the Palestinians concerned. If you went, you know,
to you know, Palestine, you would see something similar to
Brooklyn probably, you know, in terms of dark skinned people.

(02:55:28):
The best book that I can offer is Tanahaseikats's newest book,
The Message, and specifically the last third of the book
where he makes a journey to Palestine and he goes
throughout the whole area and it's clear that these people

(02:55:49):
are that their gene pool is Arab and African and
parts from all over North Africa. You know, the idea
that they're Europeans that escapes me. The only Europeans in
that area are the Ashkenazen Jews that occupy is real?

Speaker 2 (02:56:09):
Seventeen away from the Tampa Stay in Baltimore, Brother Dante's
checking Any's online. Three Grand Rising Dante with doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 19 (02:56:18):
Grand Rise and mister Carr and mister Wimbush. Hey, I
had a question in reference to like kind of like
like subtle like Sodom and gomour and how America has
like two three percent of the richest people and then
we have all the rest of us like ninety seven percent.
I think at some point we have to realize that
we can't take everybody with us. We can't. We can't,

(02:56:39):
mister car you can't re educate everybody from ground zero
all the way up, you know, so eventually at some point,
like even to mere fact that I appreciate you entertaining
their questions, but sometimes that's like noise, you know, something
to take us off a signal, Like we need to
be on signal, not noise. And that's where I think
that we derailed by entertainers, some of those people that

(02:57:00):
kind of just confuse us, because if we don't have
the knowledge, then we won't know that these guys are
just calling to, you know, take you back to the beginning.
Like you know, when you're in class and somebody disturbs
the class, the kids, the teacher has to restart. So
now they have to you know, it just screws up
all the rest of the kids because they were already learning.
I just think that we need to have a real
plan and you can give it because you're the man

(02:57:22):
to give us a plan of day to days one, two, three.
How we gonna get the ball roller? But again, you
know how I talk money, money, money. It got to
get from the money eventually because we can support those
programs like I mister Winbush Door was Africa. Some of
us don't know all those artifacts. I have no idea
of all the stuff you guys are talking about. But
the knowledge that you're given has to be guided like

(02:57:43):
some way for us normal people to be able to
get it every day, not like you know, the college professors.
So how would you think for a novice to get
the ball rolling? In reference to critical business thinking, do
you have recommendation for something like that? A critical business
like I'm trying to do. I do business, but I
haven't taken off yet at at the forefronts.

Speaker 5 (02:58:07):
Well, you know, I think there's a lot of books
on black businesses. Reginald Lewis's book is a good place
to start on that. And you know, and one thing
I think that's important that people can do, and many
of us have already done it. You live in the
Baltimore area, go to the African American National African American

(02:58:28):
Museum of History and Culture in d C. I mean
it's a five days. I've been okay, good because you
learn a lot. Every time I go there, I hear people,
and it's very good to hear people say I didn't
know that, I didn't know that. I've better look that up.
I've better buy this book. We need to get deep

(02:58:49):
into our own culture and our own history so that
we can have an anchor and a lot of callers
like the one that you just reference. I'm assuming you
talked about the brother that called it a few minutes ago.
A lot of us just don't read enough. We don't
understand and people who I don't know how to read
at a ninth grade reading level. You can listen to

(02:59:11):
books now.

Speaker 19 (02:59:13):
I losen that's the biggest point. Though.

Speaker 5 (02:59:15):
They can't comprehend.

Speaker 19 (02:59:16):
So what you're saying that mister Carl says, They can't
comprehend those basic words. It sounds kind of like I'm
being a jackass, but being honest, I'm in the streets
every day and even with my mom, my mind is
sixty seventy years old. I showed I make one hundred
one thousand dollars working in a regular job. She thinks
that does something illegal. You get what I'm saying. So
when I tell you the culture is destroyed people mentally
in Black America, they don't even believe that we can

(02:59:38):
accomplish these goals. They don't even believe that we could
get to this, to this next level. They, like I said,
go to an airport. It ain't only black people flying out,
only white people flying. Black people fly too, Like, we
just don't believe it. We live in a world that
the stuff that we're in is what we think is naturally.
Oh that's that's just how it be. Like they think
politics has nothing to do with them. Politics equals you.
If you don't do politics, politics won't do you. So

(02:59:59):
you better win or the world is going to be
it's going to feel like it's only it's way over now.
But anyway, I just want to know how can we
implement that education that you have into younger people immediately,
because I'm not that smart you are, So how can
we get it? Get younger people to catch on to
what we're saying in a sense outside of me giving
them a bunch of money.

Speaker 5 (03:00:18):
Well, you're pretty smart from what you've said already. And
you know, I'm an educator by choice, you know, And
I think that what people have to do is educate
themselves as well. And the best way to educate yourself
is to read, you know. And I'll say that un
till i'm blue in the faith or blocking the faith.
You know that you have to read and again read

(03:00:40):
thirty minutes a day something about black folk.

Speaker 19 (03:00:44):
Right, Just do that?

Speaker 4 (03:00:47):
All right?

Speaker 19 (03:00:47):
Okay, thanks, I have a good day, right.

Speaker 2 (03:00:50):
All right?

Speaker 4 (03:00:52):
All right?

Speaker 2 (03:00:53):
Twelve away from the top day, Doctor Winbush. A tweet
question from Louisiana Truda says, ask doctor wembush the killing
of Charlie Kirk America's reinstock fire, given all the confusion
around who is the killer? And will groups like the
NAACP and the ACLU be investigated and prosecuted because of
what the Trump administration say are left wing leaning groups

(03:01:15):
that are promoting violence against the right?

Speaker 5 (03:01:19):
Well, that's a very good question. See, I just don't
think that we know now that there was a conspiracy that,
you know, to kill doctor King. We know there was
a conspiracy to kill Malcolm X. The question is whether
or not there was a conspiracy to kill Charlie Kirk.

(03:01:40):
And I don't know, you know, i'd rather you know,
I really don't know. There's so many things that, you know, triggered.
It's almost like this was they knew this was going
to happen, and so now that they're using it to
suppress thought, to fire people who are dissenters or criticized

(03:02:02):
Charlie Kirk's racism, whatever, I think that we've got to
wait and see. I never believe what happens at first.
There's a meme on the internet right now. Again I'm
not one to indulges in conspiracy theories, but they have
the picture of the guy that jumped off the roof,

(03:02:24):
and then they have the picture of the guy that
they arrested. They look like two different pictures, you know.
And again, as a shooter and somebody who shoots long guns,
that's a hard shot two hundred yards and this dude
was twenty two years old. I know, he grew up
around a culture gun. But that is a difficult shot

(03:02:44):
to take at two hundred yards. Fifty yards maybe twenty
five yards. You know, you got you know, but two
hundred yards is two football fields long, and that's a
hard shot.

Speaker 2 (03:02:58):
Yeah, you gotta be as a pair launch to do
that unless you a lucky shot, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
this is a lot of unanswered questions, A.

Speaker 5 (03:03:07):
Lot of unanswered questions.

Speaker 2 (03:03:09):
Eight four five, zero, seventy eight, seventy six ten Away
from the top. Now Johnny's joining us from DC. He's
online too, Johnny. Your question for a doctor Waynebush.

Speaker 8 (03:03:20):
Grand Rising, Brotherwn grand Rising. I just want to point
out something that I think is very logical. It's right there,
but I don't think a lot of people have brought
it to the to the surface, doctor win. But you
remember when the plane in DC went down, the plane
crash and several people in setal and there was an accident.

(03:03:42):
The first thing the president said, it's because of the EI, right, yes,
no fact, right, Charlie Kirk gets shot. It's the radical left, right.
You know, there there is a distinct passing up of
about the atint plan to blame everything that doesn't go

(03:04:06):
in their favor against black folks. Absolutely, it's right there,
it's right there, right, all.

Speaker 2 (03:04:17):
Right, thank you, thanks Johnny, all right, thanks Johnny, calling
from Washington. D c Dr wember Shod. Donald Trump is
in London as we speak right now, and there's a
huge demonstration against the Donald Trump. The Brits have a
different aspect of looking at at Donald Trump that the

(03:04:37):
people in the United States to uh explain that dichotomy
for him, because he's saying the same thing they're over there.
Are they getting Is their news filtered or unfiltered? Because
they have there's an immense operation you know this, it's
more than more than a million pounds, as they say,
to protect Donald Trump and on a state vision and
the process a huge because the people are wondering, why

(03:04:57):
is she coming here? What what's the deal? What's in
it for him? Why is he coming here? Keep them
mess over in the States, That's what they're saying. Are
they getting information that our people cause that we don't
see the protests against Donald Trump state side when he's
here that we're seeing now in London.

Speaker 10 (03:05:14):
Well, you know, the.

Speaker 5 (03:05:15):
British tend to be have a more open governor even
their parliamentary procedure is more open. I mean they'll stand
right up in front of the you know, the Prime
Minister and not custle them out, but say things see
him directly, which we don't get a chance to do
in the United States in terms of protest. Now, keep
in mind is I'm sure you know that one hundred

(03:05:38):
thousand anti immigration is demonstrated in London this past weekend.
So there's this element of racism surely in the UK,
but in general, you know, and you know, I remember
years ago when Bill mar said Americans are fundamentally stupid.
Everybody going on. As you know, Americans don't read as

(03:06:02):
much as Europeans read. I mean they don't. In fact,
Americans read lesson most people on Earth, including Africa and
definitely in the in Asia as well as Europe. So
I think that they read more. You know, my trips
to you know, Europe, which includes UK and other places

(03:06:24):
like that, they read more than we do. They know,
they're more politically aware than we are. And right now
Donald Trump going to England, you know, at again at
the height of this Epstein's file scandal and Charlie, you know,

(03:06:46):
was the names thing all of this stuff to me
seems that it was planned, you know, to do all
of this.

Speaker 19 (03:06:53):
And this is why I'm not you.

Speaker 5 (03:06:55):
Know, dismissing that all of his or his assassination in
some form of conspiracy, and that includes the attack on
Gaza as well.

Speaker 2 (03:07:06):
No, I mean, she's then since she put it that way,
do you think that Democrats are complicit to do you
think many of the people in the upper echelons of
the Democratic Party know what's going on and they're going
along with the game.

Speaker 5 (03:07:16):
I think they are, because you know, the Democrats just
just so weak right now. I was glad to see
that the governor of New York came out to endorse
the Muslim brother that's running for mayor in New York
as opposed to Hakem Jeffries, who's in the unfortunately in

(03:07:37):
the back pocket of APEC, you know, the American Israeli
Political Action Committee as well as we know Chuck's humor
is and so you know, and the fact that Hakim
Jeffries and Donald Trump are both endorsing Mark Culomo for mayor,

(03:07:58):
that says something right there about the Democrats, and it
says a lot about Hakeem Jeffrey. You know, so you know,
the Democrats are complicit in the sense that they have
no message uh to give uh, and that they're unwilling
to listen to the more uh and I'll just say

(03:08:18):
more progressive wing of the party. They still want to,
you know, that kind of Bill Clinton Barack Obama politics.
And you know the Democrats and American people are way beyond.

Speaker 7 (03:08:30):
That right now.

Speaker 2 (03:08:31):
Yeah. And some people saying that the Democrats they hope
the Mandannie wins so the Republican because paid all the
Democratic Party has been social democratic socialists, and they leave
out the democratic part of of course, and they say
that all the Democrats are being socialitiond But I don't
see the Democrats with a plan to counter these conversations,
how about you?

Speaker 5 (03:08:53):
I don't. And and the other thing is that if
you have to average Republican, what a socialist is with it? So, look,
social security is socialism, fire protection, you know, the police
protection is socialism. You know, we as black folks are
to embrace socialism in one sense. I mean, you know,
look at Julia's Nyiris or who message of fifty years

(03:09:18):
ago in Tanzania.

Speaker 7 (03:09:20):
You know, so I think that.

Speaker 5 (03:09:23):
You know, Americas used terms such as communism, socialism. They
don't even know what they're talking about because again they
don't read.

Speaker 2 (03:09:32):
Got you Spinbay reading. We got to get out of
here and do some more reading ourselves before we do that,
Dr Wimberch. How can folks follow you? How can they
reach you?

Speaker 9 (03:09:39):
You can?

Speaker 5 (03:09:40):
You can follow me on social media and on Facebook.
Ray Winbush called me at Morgan State and I answered
my phone.

Speaker 2 (03:09:49):
Thank you, Dr Wimbush, and thank you for sharing all
this information with us this morning. Thank you all right, family,
classes dismissed for the day. Stay strong, stay positive, please
stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right
here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and then the
DMV on FM ninety five point nine and a M
fourteen fifty WOL

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