Dr. Ray Winbush Returns to Discuss Key Global and Local Issues

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're facing with the most submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're facing with the most submissive yourself.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us again. Later, Morgan State University's professor Ray Wimbush
will check into our classroom. Doctor Wimbush will cover several topics,
including Bill Gates's controversial birth control plan for Kenya. You
also talk about the ongoing Texas Jerry Manning issue and
also Donald Trump's threat to federalize Washington d C. Trump

(00:55):
has a news conference schedule for ten o'clock this morning
to define what he's threatening this fedilization of the district.
Uh before doctor Before Dodor wimbers Thow international journalistic brother
Obi will update us on the situation in Cuba. But
to lead us off this morning, financial expert Michael Redmond
is standing by. Before we get to Michaelah, let's get
Kevin and opened up this classroom doors on this Monday morning,

(01:16):
Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, Man, what a Monday it is? Man,
the eleventh of August. Time is just zooming by. I
tell you how you feeling, Carl Nelson.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning, still trying to
learn as much as I can.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, you can scratch that off your to do list.
What you put things that you've already done on the
to do list, so you can scratch it off. So
just continue, man, it's perpetual, you know, to continue to
keep learning because it sets it sets you up for
a different kind of success, you know, your own personal

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as well as it rubs off on those who are listening.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
And you know what I keep saying that you know,
the more you learn, the more the more you know
you don't know exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, that's what growth is all about. It's like you know,
you uh, mass lows hierarchy of needs, right, you start
off with food, shelter, and clothing, and you're good. But
then you know, as you as life continues to grow,
more and more things become more important. But if you're
not open to learning, you stagnate and you your growth

(02:30):
is stunted. See what I did there? I tell you man,
it's it's it's all about like you said, it's all
about continuing to observe you know around you, the physical,
the spiritual, the you know, and everything else that's going.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, but if you're not learning, because that means you
you you know everything already.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Some people have that stance that you came in. Well,
they don't want to learn because they figure they figured
out life already, you know, they know everything just through
every question.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh right, well that's the cognitive bias we were talking
about that off, my. The cognitive bias makes you or
it's like a cognitive confirmation or where confirmation bias where
you think and you're convicted that you know everything, so

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there's no need to know any learn anything else. As
a matter of fact, I know so much I should
be writing the book. I should write that third and
fourth and fifth book because I already know that. And
then that conviction leads to a type of stagnation. And
yet it can also lead to different character flaws because

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in the shadows, you know, you may have been embarrassed
in your life before you know, and you were called
stupid or uneducable or something, and so that's in the
shadow of your life. So your projection is I know everything.
And speaking of those who knows every they what about
the commander in sev And he's got a conference coming

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up today, Carl.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, he's going to explain to these plans from Washington,
d C. Kevin and already last night, I don't know
if he saw any of the federal agents, so you know,
you went on the streets last night, probably, but they
were they're patrolling the streets, federal agents from the FBI,
you know, supposed to help in metropolitan police and the
other law enforcing agencies because the several law enforcement agencies
in Washington, d C. So they had the FBI agents

(04:30):
of patrol in the streets and I haven't heard any
reports of anything that they found out of order, you know,
or they stopped any crime in the street. But this
morning he's gonna have a press conference, as we mentioned,
at ten o'clock, and he's already sort of tipped his
hand saying that he told the homeless, we like to
call them on house, the population when he calls them

(04:50):
the homeless people in Washington, see you get out of town.
Or he's going to find a way to rid the
capital of Washington, d C. Because it makes him look bad.
People come to the White House and see homeless people
in tents around Pennsylvania Avenue.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
My goodness, and the topic is supposed to be crime
in d C. And uh, the DC mayor Miriam Bowser
says that he said she said yesterday comparing the city
to a worn to war torn country is hyperbolic and false,
you know, and hyperbolic is like an exaggeration. It's not

(05:26):
meant it's not meant to be taken literally. But people
are going to take it literally that this is a
war torn city and more violent than Baghdad, you know,
more violent than.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
And crimes actually went down in the city. Crime is
down all over the country.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, statistics show that crime has gone down in the
city in the last two times that they studied crime,
it's been down. And so just because of that, uh
skirmish on Capitol Hill with someone tried to car jack
the car of a DOGE member, and I'm not sure

(06:07):
that wasn't some sort of agent provocateur, you know, set
that up, in my humble opinion, I don't.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Know, right it could be. You know, there's an excuse
to what you do. That's what chaos is. You know,
they create the situation and come up with it with
a plan to solve the problem, where they've already created
the problem and so they already have a solution and
while you're trying to figure it out, they moved on
to something else.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, that is what it seems like. That's what it
seems like. What is it? The Democrats were corporate, corporate,
and the Republicans are more into this whole kind of
chaos and independence where they are going to take over
the country at the risk of chaos. So there's got

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to be something new, apparently. And speaking of which, the
Democrats with I on twenty twenty eight, reject some of
the parts of the liberal ideas. They're being compared to
some of the Sister Soldier moments to demonstrate their independence.
And that's all I've got on that. But meanwhile, the

(07:13):
Texas Governor Abbott promises to keep read districting and down
there in Texas. So there's a lot going on, man.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Oh yeah, there's always a lot going on. Yeah, But
you know what, we've got to watch the money while
all this is going on. That's why we have Michael
Redman coming up. He's going to help us out.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
All right. Here he is, mister Michael Redmond.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Good morning, sir, Good morning to everyone.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
All right, Mike Kevin, let me just tell Michael, me
and Michael way back and we're talking about the seventies now, Oh, Yeah.
He was the first guy who got me to this.
I didn't even know this magazine ink, you know my
magazine that you know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I remember inc magazine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, He's got me to reading that and subscribed me
that you know, got to get a business. I'm probably
got to get a business.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Mind.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
So we go way back from the seventies, and he
is not he has not deterred from that, and he's
been watching what's going on with cryptocurrency and how the
Trump administration is rolling out changes to cryptocurrency, and Mike
just tell the audience that, you know what what what
is the aim? What is the end game for cryptocurrency
as far as the Trump administration is concerned.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, they want to make America the crypto capital of
the world. And uh, you know, Uh Trump, who at
one time didn't believe in cryptocurrency, has totally changed course
and they've gotten behind cryptocurrency. I believe that's a large
part of why he got uh elected as president because

(08:48):
you have a lot of wealthy people, billionaires who support
the crypto environment and uh, you know, just like Eli
Musk and different people. You know, Uh, he got to
support backing and they helped finances campaign and stuff. So

(09:09):
when Gensler was the head of the second Elizabeth Warren,
you know, who was very anti crypto, there's been a
whole paradigm shift now in terms of the administration being
very crypto friendly, even in terms of the regulation and stuff.
They just passed an executive order where four one K plans,

(09:34):
iras and pension plans will be able to invest into
cryptocurrencies Bitcoin in particular, and h that's going to cause
you know, a mad rush of money from an institutional
level to come into cryptos. They're they're anticipating in particuting

(09:54):
that you know, by the end of the year it
should be you know, probably around two hundred thousand dollars
you know for one bitcoin, where now you know, it's
been in like the fifteen to one eighteen range and stuff.
But I've seen it go you know, I mean crypto

(10:16):
is very volatile. I mean it go up and then
it go down. So you don't want to have all
your money in crypto, but you want to have you know,
a small percentage, you know, probably two to five percent
of your money. And I was reading the report the
other day that they were saying where it used to
be to to five percent. Now you should have ten
to twenty to thirty percent in there. So the whole

(10:38):
thing with the economy is you want to have your
money and assets that the government can't print, because every
time the government prints money, it debses the currency that's
already in existence. And you know, like during COVID and
stuff like that, you know, they printed a lot of money,

(10:59):
you know, US dollars that are in existence. You know,
happened you know, during that time, and uh it's caused
you know, high inflation, prices to go up and stuff
like that, and the wages aren't keeping up. So it's uh, definitely,
like I said, it's been a paradigm shift.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
And thank I was reading that cryptocurrency.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Trump and his family owned about five five crypto companies
and stuff. So they're making they're making money out of it.
You know, it used to be a thing where, uh,
if you were a president, you had to put your
your businesses into you know, blind trusts and stuff. But
it willn't seemed to be that be the case here.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
So okay, mister Redmond, let me Kevin linkoord here and
uh instead, according to CBS News, the executive order signed
by mister Trump last Thursday and could potentially serve as
a game changer for the five trillion dollar private equity
and the street. So it's shaking Wall Street up quite
a bit as well. And yet remember doing the Biden administration,

(12:07):
they were more concerned about the blockchain than actually about
any particular cryptocurrency. Do you find that to still be
the case even with this executive order?

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah? Well, I mean everything runs on the blockchain, and
there's multiple blockchains, not just one. There's multiple blockchains. But
you know, up to a certain point, it was mostly
individuals in retail getting off into bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. Now
you have institutions because in twenty twenty four, you know,

(12:42):
they had the ETS, and that's bringing a lot of
money into it.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
What a ETS, mike.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Electronic transfers basically electronic transfer of funds. It's basically like
stock you know, like like index indexes. Uh, you know,
people will invest money in the indexes, which is like
a multiple area of stocks instead of trying to invest

(13:13):
off into like one single stock. You know, I have
like an index of a certain category and they'll invest
into that. And usually, you know, if you're not very
knowledgeable about the investment business or stock business.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Have we lost Mike Kevin Well, there does seem to
be a moment of silence. There sounds like it's line
dropped right, So let me get she didn't get it back.
It's an interesting family. Are we talking about cryptocurrency? Michael
Redmond is. I guess he's a financial expert and he's
saying that, you know, the government has now stepped up.

(13:56):
It's interesting to cryptocurrency. I I'm just wondering, got some
several questions to ask me about how other countries are doing.
Are they moving or is America's economy strong enough to
lead the world when it comes to cryptocurrency to make
the change? It talked about it that it may be
they may use it to replace the dollar because right
now the dollar isn't backed by anything. At one time,
you remember, the dollar was back by gold in Fort Knox.

(14:17):
You keep you hearing that when she when you were
young growing up about Fort Knox and how much gold
is in Fort Knox, And they found it's nothing in
Fort Knox. There's no gold at all. So what's back
in the US dollar The good will of the American people,
that's what's back in the US dollar. On the world market.
And there's a move by bricks now Brazil, Russia, India, China,
who else is there South Africa to replace the dollars

(14:41):
as the world's reverse reserve currency. And you know the
Saudi is the Middle East countries, they trade in the
dollar petro dollars. They call it the trade in the dollars.
But now that Brick's trying to do something different. And
if you've noticed that Donald Trump is when he's passing
out all these sanctions or tar ships, if you can
call them tariffs, many of the heavier tariffs to go

(15:03):
against the bricks nations as well.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
And he's he's supposed that India's buying the oil and
gas from from Russia. Russia supplying not only the other
Bricks nations, but also supplying the Sahala nations and signed
a deal with with uh recently just just days ago,
actually signed a deal with Bikino Fosso. So they're no
longer looking in the United States for for you know,

(15:25):
for investment, They're going they going to China and they
going to Russia. And this is a concern for Donald
Trump and the world market. Do we have a mic
back at Kevin.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I had to leave a voicemail. You know, sometimes when
people phone gets dropped, he doesn't realize they don't.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
They don't write it happened to be And you keep
talking and keep talking. Nobody's on the other.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
You've been through a paragraph of statements. You know, I wanted,
I wanted to ask in my will as when he
comes back about in f T. He was talking about
e FTS, but you know, the non fungible token, that's
what NFTY stands for. And we'll see what he says
about that, because unlike cryptocurrencies which are fungible, you.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Know, explain what that means. You said, non fungible and fungible.
You know, you're gonna break it down for an audience,
you and micro at graduate level right now, we can
just throw out these terms like I know, we're all
supposed to know this. We're all you know, got through
indoctrination about cryptocurrency, you know, and I.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Know and that comes from practice more so than you know,
trying to be you know, trying to hold my know
it all card up two people. You know, it's it
just happens to be. Fungible means that you can, uh,
you can use it like a like dollars it's it's
interchangeable like a dollar. Non fungible means it's its own entity,

(16:51):
like you know, like crypto. Some cryptocurrency is just a
private ownership and it's that it's certified by the blockchain
you see. And again I sound geek is all get out,
don't not, car.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Really, you sound knowledgeable to me, not geeky. I mean
to some people. You know, keep to geeky to some
people because they have no idea what's going on. And
that's what we try to do on this program to
you know, uplift our listeners so they understand how these
moves are being made because it affects us all. But
I'll tell you what, Ken, we gotta take a break.
Let's get back on the phone. Eighteen minutes out of
the top of our family running late eight hundred and

(17:28):
four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six. You
got questions, any questions about money, business, cryptocurrency. Michael Redman's man,
you need to talk to you and we'll take your
phone calls for him.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
Next.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
That rising family. Thanks for starting a week with us.
The twenty one minutes after the top always I guess
it's Michael Red and Michael is a uh, he's a
financial expert. It's a financial today and we go to
head for financial information. As I mentioned earlier, known Mike
since the seventies. He tried to get me involved in
the money business, but I was deep into work at
the radio at that time. We're fighting to get the

(18:29):
King Holiday bill and that just took up all all
of the energy that had. But anyway, Mike, I'm glad
you're back with us.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Right.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, I'm here very about the connection and stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So I'll let you.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'll let you finish tell us about what's going on
with cryptocons. I think Kevin had a question for you.
I think either Kevin Kevin.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
But mister mister redmand you were talking about the ETFs
before we lost you, and we don't know if you
were continually talking. But yeah, it's share more with us
about the ETF and how is that on the stock exchange?
How ETFs used today?

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Well, no, the ETFs really are on blockchain and stuff,
so they're not on the stock stain. But Wall Street
basically has endorsed cryptocurrencies and bitcoin as of twenty twenty four,
so that's the difference before you got a lot of
the politicians and people talking about it was only used

(19:34):
for nefarious purposes, you know, you know, crooks and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
But that was Chuck Schumer was the one that kept
saying and that cryptocurrency was used because it was ransomware.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Ransomware was number one proponent of it. But I'm just
saying basically it was. It wasn't accepted in terms of
mainstream but when they came out with the ets, like
I said, that's basically Wall Street, you know, the different brokers,
companies and stuff were getting behind it, and a lot

(20:11):
of money is coming into it now. And like I said,
Trump is trying to make America the crypto capital of
the world.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
So it's Mike, let me jump in and ask you
this question, Mike, is the is the endgame to replace
the dollar with cryptocurrency or is just you know, compatible
side by side. What are they trying to get?

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Yeah, there'll be a multi economy. You know, it's not
going to replace the dollar. But it's basically you're talking
about fiat currency with the dollar, and there's nothing that
really backs up the dollar. I mean, in nineteen seventy one,
they take the dollar off the gold standard and in

(20:54):
essence because of Kissinger and Nixon, you know, they worked
out where it went from the gold standard to the
petro dollar standard. Everything was you know, all the oil
eight opek and stuff. You know, I had to transact
in dollars. So but that sense its cease or Saudi Arabia.

(21:18):
You know, they can you know, deal with the US,
they can deal with China, they can deal with Russia.
You know, everything is pretty open and I don't know
if you keep up with the bricks, you know, Brazil, Russia, India, China,
South Africa, and they just had six other countries that

(21:40):
joined them, so it's now like eleven countries and it's
probably another thirty to forty that want to join them.
So and just when you have like India in China,
I mean you got three billion people out of the
eight billion people who are on Earth, so they have
the majority of the population world population. They have at

(22:02):
i'd say most of the you know, earth mineral resources.
And uh, there just seems to be a whole ship
going on in terms of dominance control. They talk about
the America and hegemony, you know, where the dollar has
been the reserve currency but when Biden put the sanctions

(22:28):
on Russia, it seems like it's backfire, you know, and
uh it has you know, caused a lot of chaos
in terms of the world, you know, but didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
But weren't Biden's intentions And I could be wrong, but
weren't his intentions to digitize the dollar because of the uh,
you know, nothing as far as your currency is concerned.
And he wanted to almost ban bitcoin cryptocurrency, but use
the blockchain to digitize the US dollar, which then sort

(23:04):
of mitigates risk. And that's what I thought of Biden
was trying to do him and well, we're villainizing it.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Well, you know, there's been a lot of legislation passed
recently in terms of tokenization, and uh that's how you know,
the dollar would still be used because everything would be
tokenized and uh, you know, it'd be attached to the dollar,

(23:36):
and I'm talking about you know, real estate, you know,
all kinds of sets and stuff. So that's that's that's
where I believe it's going, you know, because they just
signed that Genius Actor and stuff like that, and uh,
in terms of tokenization, you know, they will basically try

(23:57):
to tie it to the dollar, but you're going to
have a like I said, it won't just be the dollar.
I mean you're going to have hard assets you know, gold, silver, oil,
you know, uh, things added that are very energy related
that are going to be in demand and have continued
to go up so well.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Speaking so speaking of tokens, then that's what the n
f T is, right, non fungible.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Non fu Yeah, and that's basically where you can take
like art, you know, visual art, music and everything and
put it, put it together and uh put it out
there to be sold and stuff. And you know, uh
that that's something that was very very hot for a while.

(24:43):
Then it seemed like it cooled down.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
But yeah, Donald Trump had an n FT for a minute,
and Donald Trump had and Donald Trump had an n
f T for a minute if you remember, and then
then they.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Had got his own currency, uh coin, and Millennia has
a currency. Like I said, they're very much into it,
the whole Trump family and stuff into it. But yeah,
like I said, the NFTs none punchiple tokens. So that's
becoming like more mainstream you know and stuff. And like

(25:16):
I said, they anticipate the big cooin will be monetized eventually,
you know, gold and real estate. I mean all the asses,
like eight hundred nine hundred thousand, nine hundred three dollars
for the assets. And right now I think bitcoin has
like two trillion of capitalization, so they expect that to

(25:41):
continue to grow and stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
So you're thirty minutes of the top of the that fellas.
Since we're talking about bigcoin. When we talk about cryptocuncy,
people think about big coins. It's almost like when we
think about copy machines, people just say they don't say
compy machine. This is xerox, you know, and there's a
term for it. I just can't think of the term
right now what it is. When people think about crypto country,

(26:04):
they just think about bitcoin. But there's ethereum, there's other
coins that you guys mentioned at some point, do you
think these other coins are going to fade away and
it will just become like bigcoin kind of like copy
Every time you think about a copy main, you go say, well, xeroxy.
You don't say, you know, whatever it is, do you
think it'd be like that? Or google it? Because we
got other changes, but google is the term. Do you

(26:25):
think bigcoin you understand what I'm trying to say, you
think big and there's a term for I just can't
think of the term right now.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Like when people ask for a coke and it may be.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
A p may be a pepsi, but they just asked
for a coke. It is Mike still will us like.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Man, as I look over at the line, you need
to be the one to break it to you, Carl.

Speaker 6 (26:46):
Y Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Anyway, interesting conversation here. We're trying to get hopefully we
get Mike's line hooked up so we can come back
and answer those questions, any questions that you may have.
And also the main question though, is it should we
get into it or is he too late for us
to get involved in the cryptocurrency game, because most of
the times when new things come down the line, we're
very skeptical and so we should be of getting involved,

(27:10):
especially when it involves our money. You know, you study
all angles, and that's what we try to do on
this program, just not tell you what to do, but
just give you all the information so you can make
you can make the appropriate choices so on whatever situation
that it is. And this is what this is a
big one that's taking place in the background, all the
other folks are getting involved, and seems like where are we,

(27:30):
you know, when it comes to bigcoin and cryptocurrency, where
are we? And as I mentioned, there are other cryptocurrency.
It's not just bigcoin. Ethereum is another one. I think
that's the second one, you know, But there's a whole
bunch of them. Kevin knows them, and I'm sure Michael
knows them as well. So this is what we're talking about. Family.
So if you've got any questions though, reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

(27:53):
eight seventy six, because we want to figure out if
it's too late for us to get involved, because some
people want to start. Some people saying that it was
a you know, a scheme, a pyramid scheme, and people
got in and pump and dumping. The people who got
in at the early they made a lot of money
and they split. And now you're trying to you've got
to get people onto you to get involved, you know,
just like our pyramid scheme works. And some people say, no,

(28:14):
it's not that, but it's kind of like that, but
not quite like that. I still haven't got a definitive
answer on that one either as well.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, yeah, see the way I look at that because
you talk about the pyramid scheme if you will, you know,
there is the comparison to dare I say, the government,
for example, there's the guy at the top and then
the rest of the people, and they're doing what they

(28:41):
are supposed to do, while the guy at the top
is the one calling the shots and creating, dare I say,
a lot of confusion in the world. Yeah, And the
same thing with the corporation. There's the people at the
top and then the people who, dare I say, support
the system. You know, we call them employees or executives

(29:05):
or managers and things of that nature. So the same
thing exists in my minds with something like like bitcoin,
because at first it did seem shaky. At first, it
did seem like it wasn't going to last. It was
just a trend. And now it's up to one hundred
and twenty two thousand dollars, you see, and people still

(29:27):
think it's gonna fall, it's gonna fail, you know.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
But let me let me jump in and ask you this, Kevin,
do you think it's it's sort of become legitimized because
of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Now, I think that what President Trump is doing right
now is bringing a different look to it, a different
characterization to it, and it still remains to be seen
his entire agenda before turning a crypto, you know, take

(29:56):
your four one k and turn it into crypto and
all of those clever moves like that. But uh, like
I was saying to mister Redmond, the idea of that
blockchain that Joe Biden was trying to control, I think
is more important even than whether it's, like you said,
the bitcoin, the doge coin, the ethereum, or any of

(30:20):
those other coins. Controlling that blockchain could digitize the US dollar.
It could digitize the NFTs for that matter, and make
all of that valuable. But I did like what he
said about there being a double currency going on, and so.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Do you give me respond to that dollar though, Kevin,
don't you think that's what the game plan is? Because
they can't just cut the dollar cold turkey the platforms.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right right, No, they won't. They won't cut the dollar
cold turkey.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
However, by having the the securities that blockchain allow, you know,
and the ability to send then send currency at a
faster pace than what it takes right now, going through
the banks and going through you know, all of those
different credit cards and different cards, whereas there's a ledger

(31:17):
in the blockchain, a ledger that's unbeatable, and it guarantees
that the money has gone where it's supposed to go,
that it belongs to who it belongs to. To me.
That made sense when Joe Biden was talking about that.
It made sense when Chuck Schumer decriminalized crypto because of
the fact that the blockchain then gives you a level

(31:41):
of accountability that is individualized. If that, you know, you
follow me, you feel where I'm coming from on that.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, but I was gonna say key. As it stands
right now, the dollars almost digitized because how many people
carry cash, and many people just you know, everything's on
the card right whether it ever caught her a credit card,
you know, bad news for the panhandlers because you know,
you don't have a dollar, you know, any paper money,
don't have any currency, fiat currency, whatever, you don't have

(32:09):
any of that because everything's on of cars. So probably
soon for the panhandles, they probably have a wait, wait
where you can you know, have one of those card readers.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Oh yeah, right, right, They got a stripe or count right,
So it's swea huh is Mike back at I need
time to call him, so we'll.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Come up on a break, so I'll give you a
chance to call back. Because he's got all the information
he's he's uh, he's one of these knowledgeable guys and
his nose has been straight ahead when he comes to business.
As I'm knowing him like she's in the seventies. Man,
he was always like that, and it's uh convinced me
to buy my first house back in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
As Wow, everybody needs one of those.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
In the Yeah, I was just and I was just
absorbing it because I was, you know, you know, into
money and and all that kind of thing. He was like,
I told you got me INC Magazine. I never heard
of it until then. I said, Okay, let me buy
INC magazine. Man, we've got to make some money. This
is what we got to do, you know. But it's
always been within me and knowing you know, he laid

(33:13):
the foundation about being an entrepreneur, you know, to do
for self instead of working for somebody else, and try
to pass that on to other folks as well, because
you know, you're working for somebody else you're at their behest.
They may wake up one morning and design that they
don't like you anymore and you're gone, you know. So
you have to control your own destiny. And that's one
of the things we talked about earlier. And he's been

(33:35):
doing that and he's been quite successful at what he does,
and he does other ventures as well. But look up, Kevin,
we have come up on a break. We gotta check
the news, traffic and weather in not different cities. Family,
you want to join us out. You got to questions
about money. You want to speak to Michael red Nuggy's
financial Lexworld. Reach out to us eight hundred four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
Calls after the news.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's nice Sancho.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Grand Rising family, seventeen minutes away from the top of
the owl. I guess it is Michael Repend. Michael is
a financial expert. As we're talking about cryptocurrency. Before we
go back to OH, I got to offer up the
birthday birthday celebration for our friend Tookmont. Some of you know,
I'm a better buy. Her name is Kenny Gamble. Kenny
Gamble is eighty two years old today he's been on

(34:59):
this program time. So happy birthday to Kenny Gamble now
and then by his Muslim name, took my all right,
come up later this morning that we're going to hear
from Mortgastein University's professor Ray Wimbush. And also we're going
to hear from brother Obi. Doctor Womber's gonna touch on
a lot of subjects. Brother Obie's going to what's going
on with Cuba and their health health department in Cuba.
And later this weekend here from the University of Houston

(35:20):
doctor Jerald Horne matth Guru A Kill Parker Jonah School's
about to open. It opens on the twenty fifth in
DC and in Baltimore, but some schools districts around the
country already open open today. Actually, I remember the days
when school started after labor Day. I must be telling
my age after labor day school, when we go to
school after labor day, you know the next you know,
schools in the next day or the next week. Anyway,

(35:42):
at the University of African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Brewd
is also going to join it. So if you are
in Baltimore and make sure you keep your radio locked
in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in
the DMV around FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifty w L. All right, Michael, I'll let you
finish your thought. We lost you when you were saying
something really important to when we're talking about business and

(36:04):
cryptocurrency here.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, like I said, it's something that you know, we
need to be more exposed to. I just you know,
there's something that's here to stay. It's something that's going
to be growing in terms of price, and like I said,
it's a very scarce aspect, so they can't print I mean,

(36:29):
they mine bitcoin, but I'm just saying after twenty one
million is mind, which I think is like twenty one forty,
is that time period, there won't be any more produced
after that, where again they print dollars like you know,
it's water running down the drain in time and until

(36:51):
we come to some situation where there's some constraint in
terms of you know, money spent for the government. You know,
I mean there hasn't been what a balanced budget since
Clinton was in office, so uh, you know, you can't
just keep spending money and uh printing printing money out
of nothing, you know, because h as great as the

(37:14):
Roman Empire was, you know, it no longer existed, and
anything that uh based on a fiat currency, you know,
has gone under you know, because it's sounds sustainable. So
uh in a way, the fact that you know, things
are moving toward the black chain and toward you know,
cryptocurrency is in bigcont in particular, it's really going to

(37:38):
be a savior in my estimation, because fiat currency was
not anything to back currency has never lasted but so long, right.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Mike, let me joking here, I got a question for
you thirteen away from the top of that. I'm always
trying to figure out, how can he benefit us? Can
we as black people have out on cryptocurrency coin that
we just trade and deal with each other, the black
people that throughout the diaspora, not just in this country
that you know, if the other folks, because we can't
stop other folks from buying our coin as well, but

(38:13):
we can Could we have a coin as dedicated to
us and grow to the strength as Bigcoin or Ethereum.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Yeah, I mean we could come up with with with
our own cryptocurrency. I think uh it kind uh was
trying to do that or a sen Ago, you know,
in terms of his whole crypto village and stuff. I
don't know that that is really taken off. And uh,
that's what it's supposed to do. But you know, it's

(38:43):
not gonna it's not gonna change. Like I said, there's
two thousand big coins. I mean, I'm sorry, it's two
thousand cryptocurrencies. Not all of them are are successful. So
you know, bigcoin Ethereum. You know, those are the two
most successful for ones at this point. And I think
Bitcoin by far stands, you know, above everything else else

(39:07):
set out there. You have Solonna and you know Avalanche,
and you know, like I say, XRP and you know,
I mean Shiva Eno and douge Coin. I mean, you know,
there's many cryptocurrencies, but bigcoin sort of stands in the
class all in and of itself. To be very honest with.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
He he, here's a thought, mister Redmond. What if the
cryptocurrency move and the regulatory changes that Donald Trump are
is leading. What if that was part of the tariffs
as well? They get around the terrorists by using crypto.
This is just a hypothetical, but is that possible?

Speaker 5 (39:52):
Well, you know, I mean again, the.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
China.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
China has its own you know, current few to one
and wet line MB depending on you know, which uh
terminology you want to use and stuff like that, and
kind of had banned crypto mining in their you know,
in their country. Uh several years back they had a

(40:20):
lot of miners and then uh they just banded. So
you know, they have their own like said currency.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Explain that the mining because you say it's it's you know,
it's not tangible. What are they mining if it's if
it's not tangible, can you explain that? Connect those thoughts
for us?

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Okay, well, well, the miners have to mine big clent,
so it's like coming up solving a problem or coming
up with an equation. They have to be solved, and uh,
you know it takes computer system I mean basically everybody says, well,

(41:02):
it was bitcoin back by Bitcoin is back by a
computer network. And then there's no one person that controls
the network. The government doesn't control it, you know, corporations
don't control it. So it's a situation where they bitcoin
has to be mined, Okay, coming up solving like certain

(41:28):
equations and stuff like that. So but like I said,
at some point, I think it's twenty twenty one forty
that there won't be any more bitcoin because it only
can be twenty one million bitcoin. And I think up
to this point it's been like nineteen million that has
been mined, and I think probably three to four million

(41:51):
and those have been lost. I don't know if you
guys heard about the situation where a guy you know,
was in a bitcoin you know, ten years ago or whatever,
and you know, through his computer way and a lot
of hard drive over I think it was over to
Europe somewhere, and he wanted to uh, basically have the

(42:12):
dump you know wherever they jumped the trash and stuff,
you know, you want to go in and try to
find the hard drive stuff. And they wouldn't wouldn't let
him do it. It was a pretty interesting story because
he was willing to pay ye know, X number of
dollars to do that, but they wouldn't let him do it.

Speaker 8 (42:28):
Stuff.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
But yeah, it has to be mine, you know, I mean,
it's not like it it just you know, exists.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Let me let me jump in here again at nine
away from the top of because when he said mine,
I'm thinking about physical mind, you you're talking about computer mining.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
So it's a whole different point.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Right, Yeah, correctly, that's trying to get to the mining
kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Something about minus you know, the forty nine is look
at the gold or something like that.

Speaker 8 (42:55):
You know.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah, well they called Big Bigcoin digital Go. So in
a sense it's similar in terms of terminology, but the
process is digital and computerized mining versus physical mining.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Gotcha, got a tweet question for you? Ate away from
the topic on tweeter says that crypto was used for
everyday commerce. How can they price everyday items? How much
would a cup of coffee costs? For example?

Speaker 5 (43:27):
It's not possible at this point. There's a whole lot
of people working on how that can be done. Now
they have situations where you know, like different companies will
convert or transfer you know, your crypto in the dollars.

(43:47):
There's basically the dollars still the number one currency in
terms of transacting business, you know, and stuff like that.
But so you can't do it right now in terms
of I mean a couple of coffee, you know, anything
like that doesn't make sense. Plus, every time you use

(44:12):
a cell crypto it would be a taxable event. So again,
some of the things that Trump was trying to put
in place is that you know, eventually, I guess crypto
or bitcoin in particularly wouldn't be tax So it's like
three different aspects of a currency. You know, store value,

(44:34):
you know, unit of account and you know all that.
So right now, you know, you can't really transact everyday
business with it. It's more, uh, store value and savings
mechanism at this point.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
But yeah, but mister Redmond, remember remember that what brought
bitcoin to the forefront to people's consciousness was the the
guy that bought those two pizzas with ten thousand bitcoin,
and that's what all of a sudden started to craze
a bitcoin. It was called Bitcoin Pizza Day. Remember that.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Yeah, I mean that did happen in the initial thing,
but I mean again, that was more or less for
you know, dramatization purposes to show that it can be done,
but it's not practical at this point. Hopefully someday it

(45:33):
will be okay, But at this point, like you said,
trying to buy a cup of coffee or something like that,
you know, I mean, bitcoins are broken down in the
satochis and you know, he probably won't even be hearing
about bitcoin in the future too. Much that we're talking
about satocis bitcoins will be worked so much. You know,

(45:56):
he had to break down to a supposed common denominator
in terms of doing transactions and stuff. So again, it's
a very vast feel. I can't profess to know everything
about it, but you know, everything that I know about
it is really very positive in terms of, you know,
why people should be in it, especially black folks, because.

Speaker 6 (46:19):
We're just still time for us to get into game. Mike,
is that what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Yeah, it's been time, you know, and it's not too
late because we're still in the early stages. Like I said,
you know, institutions are just now getting into it. But
I think I sent you something, Carl, about one hundred
and thirty five public companies now that have bitcoin on

(46:44):
their balance sheets. Okay, five years ago, you know, it
was probably less than ten. Now there's one hundred and
thirty five. So it's something that you know, as an
individual and as a business or corporation man, that we
should be brace.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
We'll talk about the bitcoin wallet before you go, mister Redmond,
the bitcoin wallead and the value of that. That's how
people will be able to exchange it is there. Do
you favor one or another? Do you have a wallet
at all?

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Well, nothing like that, Mike.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
We're gonna take a short break here. We've gotta check
the traffic and without different cities. I'll let you respond
to Kevin's questions and also Money Mike in Baltimore has
a question for He's online too. We'll get to Money
Mike's questions as well. Family, you're just waking up, you
want to join us, you can join get in on
this conversation with Michael. Remind Mike, Mike is a financial lineist.
So we're talking about cryptocurrency this morning, he says, so
we should get involved. What are your thoughts? Reach out

(47:39):
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls after
the trafficking weather.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Listen next, you're fucking with the most submiss the Carl
Nelson Show.

Speaker 9 (47:55):
You're facing with the most submissively waking.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
Up with us on this Monday morning.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
It's just Michael. Michael, of course, is a financial extra.
We're talking about talking about crypto country right now. It's
not too late for us to get in the game.
Before we left, though, Kevin had a question for Mike
and Kevin, can you repeat the question for those folks
who are just joined us now?

Speaker 6 (48:36):
Is Kevin still with us? All right? Mike is there?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Can let me hear what's going on?

Speaker 6 (48:47):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (48:47):
Can you?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Can you repeat the question for the folks who are
just joing seven o'clock, you know, some people just getting up.
Your question you have for Michael?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Oh, yeah, we were. We were talking about the whole
idea that bitcoing could be used. And man, wait, hold on, hold,
it's coming.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Back to you.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
You're talking about the wallet.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
The wallet, Yes, exactly did you use the wallet? And
do you recommend any particular wallet?

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Well, uh, Ledger uh is one of reputable ones, but
they come out of stuff all the time. But uh, again,
there's a lot of ways to purchase bitcoin. UH usually
use a wallet, like if you go through like a
coin base or cracking and you want to take okay,

(49:33):
like you would actually buy and sell using the exchange
like coin base, And then if you want to put
your bitcoin the cold storage, it's almost like transferring it
from a uh from the computer, you know, to a
USB drive or something.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
So basically it's a digital digital Wanlet I want to
let the listeners know.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
It's a dig at it like you have a USB
drive where you would download from a computer to a
USB drive, you know kind of thing. So and it
gives you a cold number that is, you know, identifies

(50:15):
that you're the owner of that crypto and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
So got it. Three at the top of that from
Baltimore has a.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Question for your mind, probably one of the most prominent
ones right now.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Huh Money, Mic is calling from Baltimore, has a question
for you grand rising Money.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Mike. You're with Michael Redmond.

Speaker 11 (50:33):
Good morning call, Good morning Mustter, redmend Can you hear
me call?

Speaker 6 (50:38):
Sure?

Speaker 12 (50:39):
Okay, mister Redmond. You're not an advocate. I'm not an
advocate of cryptocurrency at this stage, but I do believe
in buying the chips that enable people to mind for
gold for cryptocurrency. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 5 (50:57):
You said the chips? What are you talking about.

Speaker 8 (51:01):
Video?

Speaker 12 (51:01):
I'm talking about the graphic processing units, the GPUs, the
in videos.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
You're talking about the microchips that go in the computer
and stuff.

Speaker 12 (51:11):
I'm talking about the chips, the GPUs, the graphic processing units,
just like CPU, central processing unit they used to mind,
the big to mind the cryptocurrency. Those are the way
or the idea that I believe it should go. We
should invest because I believe we're a little bit too
late to get into the crypto thing. And referencing the

(51:34):
gold craze that went across America, the people who made
money were the people who sold depicts, the axes, the shovels,
and the tents. It wasn't a whole bunch of gold
to be mine to begin with. So I'm not an
advocate of cryptocurrency at this stage, but I am an
advocate of buying the GPUs and video processes, am D
processes and maybe even Intel. So be here.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
I don't in agreement with you that that those are
would be good great investments, but I don't think it's
too My position is I don't think it's too late
to get into bitcoin. Basically, you can dollar cost average
in bitcoin. You can put one hundred dollars or ten
dollars in bitcoin. I mean, most people may seem intimidated.

Speaker 12 (52:20):
I'm a I'm an advocate. I'm all for out people investing.
I'm talking about bonds for rex, futures, stocks, anything, municipal
bond CDs. I'm all for investing. I just think that
cryptocurrency has gotten too far out the gate too soon.
And I maintained the same position, what is it backed on?
There's nothing that's fudgery, there's fudisiary, There's nothing there.

Speaker 13 (52:44):
That's my point.

Speaker 12 (52:45):
There's nothing there.

Speaker 8 (52:46):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
What is that? What is that?

Speaker 5 (52:49):
The computer network is there, just like with Google, just
like the s faith.

Speaker 12 (52:54):
But but mister Redmond, I still maintained, what is there
physics other than a network, other than somebody saying that
this is what we're gonna value it at. There's nothing there.
It's like buying Dutch tulip boats. Back when the Dutch
did that, they sold tulip boats, but one day they
were turned there they were worthless. So I'm not telling

(53:16):
people how to invest. I'm telling people I'm not investing
in it at this stage. If I would have got
in early at one hundred, two hundred, even one thousand
dollars a bitcoin, I would do it. But back then
I chose not to do it because it wasn't based
on anything. And I've been investing for thirty years now,
so people can do what they want. But there's still
other ways to play the game of crypto, and I

(53:37):
think my way is a little bit safer. And Vidio
is not going out of business anytime soon. AMD is
not going out of business anytime soon. And that's the
way I think people should invest. They ought to just
take the risk. I'm not taking the risk. I look
for the risk and rewards and probability of me being successful,
and I just don't see it in bitcoin at this stage.

(53:58):
I just don't see it.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
All right, another chance, Thanks Mike Michael.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Yeah, Well, you know, he's got his opinion on it,
and I mean he's got a right to believe what
he wants to believe. I think in the video and
some of the other companies he mentioned are good investments,
but specialized investments. And you know, to me, if you
understand the age and the history how this thing is developed,

(54:28):
it's not too late to invest in bitcoin. Like I said,
you can put ten dollars, one hundred dollars or whatever
you can afford, just like a savings account, just like
you'd be putting two or three hundred dollars a month away.
You know, it'd be better to put that two or
three hundred dollars into bitcoin. Instead of two or three
hundred dollars into a savings account. Okay, because when you
look at it inflace them and like I said, the

(54:50):
way they are debasing the money every time they print money,
it's just like you know, I mean they're talking about
what five maybe five percent, six percent that you can
make on a CD or money market account. But if
inflation is ten percent and you're making five or six percent,

(55:10):
then you're actually losing four or five percent. People don't
see the bigger picture. They just oh, I'm making five percent,
I'm making six percent. Yeah, but how much of things
going up?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
You know?

Speaker 5 (55:21):
I mean, what have rents gone up over the last
four or five years? We have housing prices gone up
last four or five years. I mean, you know when
things are doubling, you know, I mean for four years
and four or five years things are doubling. That means
things are going up at a rate of twenty percent
per year. So if you're making five percent, you're actually
losing fifteen percent. People don't see it that way. They

(55:43):
just look at the front end instead of the big picture.
You know, there's a macro and a micro and I say, hey,
you got to look at both of those who really
understand how the system works and whether you're truly benefiting
or not, because most people are like a hamster running
around on a treadmill, being busy and thinking they're getting ahead,

(56:06):
but they're actually losing, you know, all the time. I
mean even it was a lot of their regulations, like
you said about the homelessness in DC and other places
like Los Angeles and stuff. They're making it a crime
to be homeless, you know. So it's like you're trying
to be poor, and you know, they want to ship
everybody out where they're going to ship into ship into

(56:27):
another planet, what you know. So it's like, on one hand,
you don't want people to succeed. On the other hand,
you want to you know, extricate them from you know,
every day living, you know, and people are not and
the government's not addressing the problem in terms of homelessness

(56:48):
and you know, wages keeping up with the price appreciation
of goods and services and stuff. So what are people
to do.

Speaker 13 (57:01):
Everything?

Speaker 6 (57:03):
You know, And that's how we have you here.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Is because the World Cup has come in next year
and the Olympics suit's coming to la and twenty twenty eight,
they want to put on a good face for other people.
But people are trying to live, trying to make something
of their light, you know, not just to put on
a show for somebody else. From an international standpoint, that's
going to happen for a very short period of time

(57:27):
and then things were going to get back to normal.
That doesn't make sense to me. But a lot of
things that happened aren't making sense, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
So all right, Mike, listen, thank you, thank you, thank
you for the information that you shared with us, you know,
and thank you, thank you for joining us this morning
despite all the interruptions. Is there a website or or
email that you have or you want to share with us?

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Yeah, MW. Redmond R E D M O MB two
two three and gmail dot com. Again, it's m AS
and Michael W. S. And Wayne Redman R E D
M O n D two two two three at gmail
dot com. That's the best way to get in contact
with me. Thanks, Mike, I appreciate you, all right, look

(58:20):
forward to coming back to DC and breaking some bread
with you.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
All right, we'll do We'll make it happen. It's Michael
Redmand financial Expert days. As I mentioned, I've known it
for decades eight hundred and four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six. You need that number to speak on.
Next guest who happens to be in International Journalists, Brother
Obi from Washington, d C. Grand Rising, Brother Obi, Welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 10 (58:44):
Good morning, Carl.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
I'm still learning, brother Obi. It seems like it's a
daily mission here on this program. Just learned a lot
about cryptocurrency, but I want to find out what's going
on in Cuba.

Speaker 10 (58:59):
And in relationship to the press conference that we just
had or.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
Conference.

Speaker 10 (59:06):
Okay, yeah, thank thank you for the opportunity to come on.
And when I'm on your show, it's usually these days,
it's usually in two capacities, two different ones. Usually when
people hear from me, it's in relationship to Mass Emphasis,
which has three dimensions to it. It's the Mass Emphasis

(59:26):
Children's History Education and Navigational Institute, the Children's History and
Theater Company, and the Positive Action and Creativity Youth Prigade.
But I also come on as the Today I'm on
as the external relations officer of the Zimbabwe Cuba Friendship Association.

(59:46):
I never come on as an individual, always part of
an organization or an institutional vehicle. So before we get
started on the press conference, let me go into something
that's very important, the connection. I want to wish the
people of Zimbabwe happy Hero's Day. Today is their National
Heroes Day, and this is a day where people all

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over the country, all over the region of Southern Africa
honor the freedom fighters that died in zimbabwe struggle for
independence and starting with their resistance in eighteen ninety six,
all the way up until the second Tchimme Rings of
tim O Rnga Bees Revolution and they had a fourteen
year armed struggle and they defeated the second most powerful

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colonial army ever assembled in Africa. After a fourteen year
arms struggling, they got their independence on April eighteenth, nineteen eighty.
So all the great fighters who are no longer with us,
they have a beautiful place called the National Heroes Acre
where all the different heroes who fought for their liberation
are buried. But in nineteen eighty six, Zimbabwe was the

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chair of the Non Aligned Movement and the Non Aligne
movement is what came out of what Brother Malcolm referred
to the Bandon Conference, the AfroAsian Conference in nineteen fifty five,
and in nineteen eighty six, Colemandante Fido Castro visited Zimbabwe
for the first time and he went through the country

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and he saw that Cuba could be of assistance in
the area of education. And between nineteen eighty six and
nineteen ninety six, three thousand Zimbabwean teachers went to Cuba
for training in a place called the Isle of Youth,
and those teachers became the backbone behind the educational system

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which boasts a ninety seven percent literacy rate. So that's
Cuba's contribution to the education in Zimbabwe. Starting a few
years ago, during the Biden administration, the former second the
former chair of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator

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Bob Menendez, began to target the Cuban doctors and this
is something that the current Secretary of State, Marco Rubio
has talked about. And I want to say that what
we did was not in response to the adventures of
Donald Trump, not in response to what we consider a
loveless quarrel between Democrats and Republicans, but us as Africans

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in the diaspora, embracing our historical responsibility and Cuba's first
medical delegation on the African continent was in Algeria in
nineteen sixty two. Now this is the same year that
the Kennedy administration imposed the blockade on Cuba. This is
a year after the CIA's failed Day of Pigs invasion.

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And so today there are four thousand Cuban doctors strategically
spread out throughout the African continent. So what we did
is we launched a campaign in honor of Asada Shakur
and Pauline Lamombo, the wife of Patrice Lamumba, where we're
going to begin to work to generate support on a

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multitude of levels to Cuba's medical efforts on the African continent.
But we began the press conference by talking about the
health challenges they're facing in Cuba, and then we began
to focus on their efforts throughout the diaspora. And it
was an incredible press conference. I've been and organizer for
thirty six years. It's the most complete press conference I've

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ever played a role in helping organize. First of all,
you had the children, you had the son, the eldest
son of Kwame Terray Bukabiro Teray, who was there on
behalf of the quantity bro over hold that thought.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Right, there we gotta step aside for a few months.
I'll let you give us the details of our press
conference that was health Recently, family got questions for brother Obi,
are getting an update on what's happening in Cuba, especially
with the health department reach out to us at eight
hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and
we're taking phone calls next.

Speaker 10 (01:03:56):
When you think about the fact that Charles Drew was
denied access as to his own contribution to medicine after
which could have saved his life. When you think about
the fact that doctor Daniel Hall Williams, who performed the
first open heart surgery in United States history, but what
has overlooked is he built Providence Hospital in Chicago and

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ended up making a connection to Freedman Hospital in Washington, DC.
Or the fact that when people talk about the tension
between Booker T. Washington and doctor w ev divorce, the
one thing they agreed on outrighte was the healthcare question.
Before the Booker T. Washington's transition, he started National Health
Week in this country for our people, and following the

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momentum of the Philadelphia Negro Sociological Experiment, du Boys did
another sociological experiment called the Physique and Health of the
Negro American, where he showed that in the early nineteen
hundreds our relationship to the healthcare system of the United
States of America was in decline, even worse than it
was when we were on the plantation shafts. So this

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is our legacy, this is our responsibility, this is our
trail of servants. The one thing we have in common
with the Africans in Cuba, the Africans.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Throughout the Americas.

Speaker 10 (01:05:11):
We are here because of the first form of public transportation,
the so called slave ships, which were nothing but captivity vessels.
So to see a nation that has made health care
the cornerstone of the revolution. And also we had doctor
Mabel Montague Montegnito, who's the head of Cuba's medical brigade,

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the Henry Reeve Medical Brigade. In Burkina Faso, we had
my goddaughter Enam Richardson, who started two children's centers in
the Sahel region in honor of Thomas Sunkarra, the Pan
African giant who was assassinated in nineteen eighty seven. There
is a Thomas and Carver Center in Burkina FASO and
a Thomas Son Carver Center in the Gier. So this

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gave us a chance to talk about being hands on.
So while we applaud our people all over the world,
all over the diaspora, all over the continent, saying hands
off Ibraham Torore, hands off the File Alliance, this gives
us the opportunity to be hands on. And this is
at a moment in history where the former President of
the United States, George W. Bush, has become a born

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again humanitarian. Many people don't know that the largest highway
in Ghana is named after him because his foundation claims
to have tested more women than on the African continent
for breast and cervical cancer. With the Trump administration being
forced to shut down the United States Agency for International Development,
which was created in nineteen sixty one, the same year

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the Peace Corps was which was supposed to be the
good cop to the CIA's bad cop, because the only
difference between the CIA and the United States Agency for
International Development and the Peace Corps is the difference between
the Ku Klux Klan and the White Citizens Council. So
they were masking. It was a masking agent his best.

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So what happened This gives us a chance to invest
in the healthcare crisis on the African continent at a
moment where in twenty ten, the World Health Organization informed
Africa before everyone else. I was with part of President
Mugabi's press delegation when we were the United Nations General Assembly,

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and the whole African continent was put on notice in
twenty ten. From twenty ten to twenty and thirty eight,
they were anticipating fifty seven million depths on the planet
for non communicable diseases. This is diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, malaria,
which had now surpassed HIV, AIDS and cholera as the

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number one killer of the human beings. So and since
Africa's help infrastructure is least the most least developed on
the planet, they wanted to give Africa a warning ahead
of the Caribbean, ahead of Latin America. We also had
Ambassador David Koma Soong, the Barbadian Ambassador to Terrakan, whose
the CARA COM's liaison to Cuba, talking about Cuba's impacting

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the Caribbean. And after all these years, Brother Carl and listeners,
even though it's no question in Cuba is in the
Caribbeanan they have observers status in Caracoms. Some of you
may not know what caracan is. That's the umbrella for
Caribbean nations. It is the equivalent to the African Union
to the African continent. And Cuba doesn't even have full

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time status.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
To say, wait, hold up, Brother'll be twenty nine away
from the top of that. Why not, Why are they
Why not they have full status. They're in the Caribbean because.

Speaker 10 (01:08:37):
Of because of political pressure from imperialism. Because to say
that Cuba is not part of the Caribbean is like
saying that Egypt and Libya Egypt slash chmmid. Excuse me,
Egypt slash chmmid in Libya and Algeria and Morocco are
not in North Africa. Is in part of Africa? Or
to say that the Middle East is not a part
of North Africa. It is a travesty. And also because

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of the pressure of the World Way, our worldwide support
for Palace Indians, the African Union was forced to strip
Israel of its observer status. Cuba should have observer status
in Africa based on the work they've done, not only
fighting in Angola, not only being willing to fight in
Mozambique and Guinea Bassato, and being willing to fight in

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the Congo. But just their health work on the African continent.
And some of you remember the fifty seven brigades they
sent to forty nations during the Corona pandemic. You remember that,
even though it was drowned out by Kanye West stating
the obvious about George Bush, Cuba was willing to send
its best environmental disaster medical specialists and professionals two of

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the Golf region during Hurricane Katrina. And they would have
stayed there until the public hospitals there were up and running.
But if you pay attention to health developments in this country,
those were the two worst public hospitals. Many people right
here in the Washington, DC metropolitan area do not know
that when DC General was about to be closed, which

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left the poor section of DC without a Level one
trauma center, without a prenatal care unit, without ambulatory care,
Cuba was willing to come and maintain that hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
So now let me jump in and ask this question too,
since we're talking about Cuban, Because I remember you once
informed us that they would doctors as medical students become doctors.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
Is that program still an effect.

Speaker 10 (01:10:36):
That's what I mentioned earlier. Yes, and we need to
make a concerted effort regardless of where we fall in
the spectrum politically. We must form an outreach committee to
work with if CO and Pastors of Peace who oversees
the scholarship process. We need to identify five hundred young
people a year that can go to medical school. That

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needs to be a concerted effort by us collectively, everyone
that claims to be concerned about our development.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
And the beautiful thing about it.

Speaker 10 (01:11:05):
These people who are attacking Pan Africanism now or dismissing
the challenges we face in other parts of the diaspora
and other parts of the Americans, even if they have
an exclusive North American focus. You be responsible for making
sure Southeast DC has doctors, Baltimore has doctors, Chicago has doctors,

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Arkansas has doctors. Union Town, Alabama has doctors, Selma, Alabama
has doctors. Mississippi has doctors. The poorest most challenged communities
that we have in this country. We want to have
a meeting with Reverend William Barber Willie Barber, doctor Barber
of the Moral Monday Movement, who is being recognized for

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their sincere efforts to reignite doctor King and Selc's Poor
People's campaign. This should be a project they take on.
Reverend al Sharpton should in the National Action Network, should
be able to identify students the granddaughter of the Honorable
Minister Lewis Farakhon of the Head of the Nation of Islam.
His granddaughter went to medical school in Cuba with my nephew.

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So all of our organizations. Doctor Dorothy Height let the
Cuban diplomats know twenty five years ago, Brother Carl and listeners.
She was willing to bring the whole Panealenic community together,
all of our fraternities, all of our sororities. Because doctor
Height was the head of the Deltas for ten years,
she felt that this was a program they should invest

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in the leadership of the Children's Development Fund. Every question again,
you should be part of the buffert Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Let me jump in and ask you this question. Though, So,
once they get certified in Cuba, did they have problems
working back here? Did us recognize?

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Oh no, they were.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Forced to the same way.

Speaker 10 (01:12:53):
They were forced to acknowledge that it was a mistake
not to allow Cuban doctors to come here and deal
with the Corona pandemic. The FDA was marking the vaccination.
Cuba created four vaccinations during the and created a vaccine
institute called the Findlay Institute during the Corona pandemic. But

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now they have a treatment that Cuba's made available for
diabetes victims that listen to this, Brother Carl and listeners
that prevents diabetes victims from having to go through amputations,
which is the most horrific aspect of being diagnosed with
type two diabetes. If you do not change your lifestyle,

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if you do not make a genuine effort to transform
in a positive note, you could be an amputee. And
they have created a treatment to prevent this from happening.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Cuba.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Again, Brother, we got to check the news in our
different cities. When we come back, I'll let you finish
tell us about what's going on, especially the report that
Trump is punishing any country that uses any of Cuba's
medical folks, explain if that is true, if that's just
some sort of internet rumor. We'd love to hear the truth. Family,
you want to join this conversation with Brother Obi, reach
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

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seventy eight seventy six well ticket phone calls after the
latest update from a news department.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Now back to the Carl Nelson.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Show, Grand Rising Family, sixteen minutes away from the top

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of the hour this Monday morning. In fact, if you're
rolling with us on this Monday morning, as we go
through Black August, I guess his brother Obi, he's given
us an update of what's going on in Cuba before
we go back to him though this is Black August.
Of course, I mentioned, we've got to recognize what happened
sixty years ago. The watch riots has started in Los Angeles,
started with a fellow by the name of Market Fry
stopped by the Highway Patrol and then the watch riots

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and the beating and all that took place. In nineteen
ninety two, similar incident happened the California Highway Patrol again
stopping the black motors Rodney King, and then we had
the Rodney King Riots followed started that trigger that. So
we just wanted to recognize that we're going to talk
about it later this week. And also as it's Kenny
Gamble's birthday. Look man, that's he goes by now. He
said that when Muslim Kenny Gamble has been on here

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several times, you know from Philly International Records. We want
to recognize him his birthday today and later this morning
we're going to speak with Morgan c University's professor Ray
Wimbush Dot Womber's going to talk about a lot of issues,
so make sure you keep listening after, brother Obie. Also
at the doctor Joel Holme will be here with us
later this weeking Also mat matth Grew at Kill Parker
will join us. School's about ready to open this openings

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today in factor in some districts and also the University
of African People's Organization. Brother Zaki Brutal be here, So
make sure you keep your radio locked in tight on
ten ten WLB or if you're in the TMV round
FM ninety five point nine at am fourteen fifteen WL.
Brother Obi, my question to you before we left for
the news update was the fact that the Trump administration
is now threatening or actually punishing countries that do that

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use the health workers from Cuba. Is that true or
is that internet rumor?

Speaker 10 (01:16:15):
No, it's true and they've been threatening. It goes back
to his first administration when the Corona pandemic broke out.
They threatened nations all over the world to terminate the
agreements with the Henry Reeve medical viguity. But Henry Reeve
was a Caucasian who went and fought with the Cubans

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during the Spanish American War, and our schools in this
country they don't tell you that the Spanish American War
was basically a fight between Spain and the United States
to see who would colonize Cuba, and the first seven
presidents of the United States tried to annex Cuba. Cuba
could be Puerto Rican could Cuba could be the Virgin Islands.

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Cuba could be Saint Thomas and and Saint Martin. These
are territory still occupied. And I wanted to say that
because as the whole world is dealing more than ever
before with Zion's Israel's occupation of Palestine, we must forget,
we must not forget that they are African communities and

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the diaspora that still live under settler colonized occupancies. So
that's very important. And also the earlier this year, Cuba
gave medical scholarships to two hundred Palestinian students and Israel
is the only other nation besides the US imperialism to
maintain the blockade on Cuba. So I wanted to focus

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on that. But let me just get so no, because
they have to do this. The Trump administration, dividen administration
did it too. Every administration since the Cuban Revolution has
attempted to demonize their health care efforts. They used terms
like healthcare diploma. See, so this is nothing not exclusive
to Donald Trump. Menendez, when he was the chair of

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the Foreign Relations Committee, claimed to have a program in
place to intercept seven five hundred Cuban doctors who are
in different parts of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Servant.

Speaker 10 (01:18:17):
They have around twenty five thousand doctors functioning throughout the
world right now, four thousand of them on our mother continent.
And we want to get back to the So let's
deal with the Diaspa for a second. Venezuela and Cuba
embarked on a campaign called Operation Project Miracle, and this

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project restored eyesight to people who had gone blind or
were on the verge of becoming permanently blind. And one
of our students, zyon Utzi, when he was nineteen years old,
did a poem about that whole process. And we have
a very beautiful video which was part of the press
conference that we showed their work throughout the world and

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we would like Brother Stevie Wonder as a symbolic gesture
to go to Cuba and get that treatment. This is
these are the type of practical things that we can
begin to do.

Speaker 11 (01:19:14):
We need to and we were.

Speaker 10 (01:19:16):
Asking the National Medical Association, the Black Nurses Association, and
our major church congregations AMME ami Zion, the Presbyterians, the
National Council of Churches to identify doctors and nurses within
their congregations who will go to African nations and work
side by side with the Cuban doctors, because that's what

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our focus was. We have two children who have been
on here with us, Brother Carl Zenzi and Desta Acunola,
who are now fourteen and fifteen years old. Two years
ago their art their artists, they did want a digital
portrait gallery drawing images of the Henry Medical Brigade active
all over the world. And what they have done is

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they are calling on children all over Africa, all over
the Caribbean, all over Latin America, with a special emphasis
on nations where the Cuban doctors have a presence to
draw images. Scalp images, paint images celebrating and recognizing their efforts.
And by next year July twenty sixth, which is the

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day that the whole world acknowledges Cubas, because on July
twenty sixth, nineteen fifty three, Coromandante b deel Castro and
Jay Guavera led some guerrillas and they stormed the Moncatic garrison.
So next year we are caught. We're going to have
the first all African children's artistic collage paying tribute to

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the Henry Reeve Medical Brigade and their efforts all over
the African world. Then we also have two artists, the
spoken word artists out of Delaware.

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
One of the most dynamite.

Speaker 10 (01:20:55):
We have a young brother named Richard Row and one
of the most talented relative background singers we've produced in
the Washington, DC metropolitan area, our sister Peluk Beatty. They're
going to produce an album in tribute to Asada Shakur
and Pauline Lamoumba for the purpose of promoting our work.
And then we're going to be working with the International

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Medical Society of Elon, which is the acronym for the
Latin American School of medicine, the medical school in Cuba.
So when they go and send these brigades like the
one they have in Guinea Bassal, like the ones they're
going to send all over Africa, all over the Caribbean,
we're going to support them and to begin what we're doing,

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we're focusing on Congo, Brazzaville, Burkina, Fasso, Mali, Eritrea, Sarah Leone,
Liberia and Zimbabwe. Those are going to be the nations
we begin with working with their doctors to generate more
support for them. So instead of investing in the Red

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Cross organization that refused your blood, instead of working with
the Bush Foundation. There was news that came out yesterday
that Namibia rejected an overture from the Bill Gates Foundation
which would terminate pregnancy amongst Namibian women or up to
eight years. So these are the type of genocidal things

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that we have to create alternatives to we can.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
You know he's trying to push that in Kenya. What
you just said, and Professor doctor Winbush is going to
discuss that next.

Speaker 10 (01:22:33):
But go ahead and yeah, tell doctor ray Winbush that
he owes us a phone called us our brother. We
worked together in Selma we're usually there. This is something
that the reparations community in Cobra pg RN A NAPO

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brother Tam Howard, who we're going to speak to about this.
All of us need to focus well because this is
part of the repair process, This is part of the
decolonization process, This is part of the redemption process. To
support Cuba's medical efforts both in the African diaspora and
on the African continent, and Cuba has reaffirmed their commitment

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to Africa's redemption. At the beginning of last year, we
had an Azania South Africa. All the Cuba friendship associations
had representatives there to talk about their work in Africa.
And then they ended last year by being the host
of the Peoples of African Descent Conference. Cuba was chosen
as the venue where they talked about what they want

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to do in education, what they want to do in healthcare.
We also have the support of the Secretary General of
the World Conference of Mayors, Johnny Ambassador Johnny Ford, the
first Mayor of Tuskegee, because he wrote a resolution at
a time where hundreds of city counts, sols all over
this country have called for resolutions. A resolution to normalized

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relations between the United States and Cuba. So this is
work that so there's work that the elected officials can do.
This work, and we are grateful to the Gubernational hopeful
in New Jersey, Mayor Rasbaraka of Newark, who was the
only mayor part of the African American Mayoral Association, our

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largest umbrella of mayors, to allow his Health and Human
Services Division, to have a private conversation with the Cuban
Ministry of Public Health where they compared notes on the
Corona pandemic. This happened three and a half years ago,
but he was the only one courageous enough to do that.
Every mayor should follow that example. Every mayor should be
looking to have conversations with them about their diabetes treatment.

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So there's an approach we can take in the United States.
There's an approach that is being taken in the diaspora.
We mentioned what's going on in Venezuela. In Haiti will
tell you about the presence of Cuban doctors and the
role that Cuban has played after they've been hit with
natural disaster after natural disaster after natural disaster. This year,

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the National Medical Association, who just had their convention two
and a half weeks ago. They talked about not forgetting
HIV AIDS and how we still need to fight to
eradicate HIV AIDS. When the Millennium Fund was created twenty
five years ago, Commandante Fidel Castro told the former Secretary
General of the United Nations Kochianon. He told him Cuba

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would deploy if the money was made available four thousand
of the best HIV AIDS doctors, nurses and specialists and
they would remain in Africa until HIV AIDS was eradicated.
And we created a resolution saying that the African Union
should raise funds to make sure that that happens. So
time and time and time again, challenge after challenge after

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challenge after challenge, obstacle after obstacle, after obstacle after obstacle,
Cuba has been there for the African continent. For those
of you who are running around with Ibrahim Trore t
shirts and hashtags saying you want to support Berkina Fasso,
if you know the history of Berkina Fasso. Thomas Sankara
in his second who was the first African head of

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state to win the Martyr Ward, Cuba's highest honor, before
Mandiba Nelson Mandela and then President Mugatbi wanted the following
year in nineteen eighty five, but within the first year
and a half of his administration, they set a record
for children vaccinated properly and safely for meningitis and yellow feva,

(01:26:42):
glaucoma and malaria. This was a project done in conjunction
with Cuba. So Cuba has touched the African continent in
the area of health year after year after year, decade
after decade after decade, but we have never come forward
his the African diaspora and giving them the support that

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they deserve, the support that they've earned. And if you
are a true daughter and son of Africa, you're gonna
say you could care less about the threats of Donald Trump.
You could care less about the threats of the Democrats
who agreed with Donald Trump. You could care less about
other European Union governments. You could care less about Zionist
Israel than their diplomatic aggression. You are going to stand

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with Cuban doctors in Africa because they do too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Right now, hold off though, right there, brother, Oh, we've
got to take another check of the trafficking weather out
different cities and Melvin in Baltimore has a question for you.
It's three minutes away from the top alf family. I
guess his brother over he's give us an updown what's
going out in Cuba. You want to join the conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six and we take a phone
calls after the traffic of Dakas.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Next.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on this
Monday morning and thanks for starting your week with us.
I guess his brother Obi. Brother Obi is an international journalist.
It's based in Zimbabwe now he's based actually based in Washington,
d C. And he's given us an update on what's
going on with Cuba. As I mentioned, brother Obie. Belvin
is calling this from Baltimore City has a question for
as online too. Grand Rising Melvin a question for brother Obi.

Speaker 14 (01:28:33):
Grand Rising. Everyone's Cuba has developed a tremendous healthcare system.
Is an interesting story behind that. In spite of all
the emballges of imperialism the Western people, they have developed
a cancer scure called simovac c I AM E V

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A X facts and it's people in the United States
that are getting to Cuba to get this treatment and
it's just heads south to Ciba for being able to
develop some tremendous as a cancer curio. As long as
the people have been trying to get that. Could you

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talk about a little bit about that, thank you. We
had talked about their diabetes treatment. Yes, and a few
years ago there was a medical personnel that were allowed
that were supposed to come and address I believe it
was the American Cancer Society, and when they got through customs,

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they were not allowed access into the United States. So
but now people are challenging the blockade. Very important part
of it is travel and they are going to Cuba
and they're exploring all types of areas. So yes, they
have they stand to be the first nation to have.

Speaker 10 (01:30:02):
A permanent cure for cancer. And also they have the
most advanced program for autism, so children who are on
the artistic spectrum. Organizations that are focusing on autism. As
the numbers continue to rise, we urge that they begin
to engage the government in Cuba and the Ministry of

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Public Health in Cuba. And also another part of the
Henry Reeve Medical Brigade is the Green Medicine Brigade, and
we've been talking with our good brother, doctor Kokaie Pattison
about setting up an encounter between the organization that he
has and the DC area where they could talk with
the Green Medicine Brigade. As a matter of fact, when

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they were engaging Mayor ras Baraka's Health and Human Services Division,
the leader of the Green Medicine Division of their brigade,
which is part of the national health policy in Cuba,
He's Swee said personally he wanted to begin engagement with
Africans who deal with green, homeopathic and quote unquote unconventional

(01:31:08):
health remedies.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
So in addition to.

Speaker 10 (01:31:12):
Excelling in the areas of traditional health conventional health, they
also are objective and open minded exploring non traditional alternatives,
which is beneficial to Africa, which is beneficial to the Caribbean,
which is beneficial to Africans in the United States and
throughout South America because in certain aspects of our culture

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in these respective areas, we've maintained a commitment to our
traditional healing practices. So yes, they are at the forefront
of eradicating cancer. They at the forefront of eradicating aids,
eradicating diabetes, eradicating glaucoma, you name it, they challenge because
as Comanante Fidel Castro called them, they are our greatest army.

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And that's why the second play ever performed fourteen years
ago by the Mass Emphasis Children's History and Theater Company
was called Cuba's Greatest Army. That's the second play we've
ever done.

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
Because we want to get ask.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
This question, though, because you just expressed to us about
people you know can get treated for all these ailments,
is there still a problem traveling to Cuba. Is your
passport they're going to be flagged by the state department
or do you have to go through it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
Like Palma or to make the country.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
To be honest with you, they will tell you that
you have to.

Speaker 10 (01:32:35):
Get a special license to go. But part of this movement,
part of this campaign, this is in the tradition of
the Freedom Writers, when you knew you were risking your
life when you travel to Mississippi, when you travel to Alabama.
We have to risk it all to travel to Cuba,
to build relationships with Cuba, to save the lives of

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our people all over the world. Because we're not just
making an emphatic statement that we want to transform and
revitalize our community in North America, forty five million people
compromised by so many diseases. We are saying that you
will not threaten Africa, you will not abuse Africa, you

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will not exploit Africa, you will not exploit the Caribbean.
And it makes a statement that just like these Caribbean
nations refuse to terminate their agreements with the Henry Read
Medical Brigade, and as backwards as the African governments are,
Brother Carl and listeners. During the Corona pandemic, not one
African government terminated their MoU with the Henry Read Medical Brigade.

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And every year, like clockwork, every government in Africa votes
against the blockade on Cuba. And I have a friendly
debate that goes on with many of our comrades in
the reparations community, telling them that are on the Pan
African scale. Issue for issue, Cuba has the most unifying

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potential of any other issue that we deal with as
African people. Go back and look at all the African
freedom fighters who we respected and maya that have special
ties to Cuba. Look at their work in healthcare, look
at their work in education, and how many Africans are
benefiting from that on the continent and in the diastema.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
What I was going to say.

Speaker 10 (01:34:24):
Before the break by the Carl, they have a double
duty in Africa because Comandante Fidel Castro over twenty years
ago said doctor King wasn't the only one with the dream.
The world owes Mother Africa a debt, and he said
he wanted to build, but of course they couldn't because
of the blockade. He said, they wanted to build a
medical campus on the African continent where they would train

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African aspiring doctors and nurses. And he said that, and
he said, but until that becomes a reality, Cuban doctors
in Africa have a twofold focus and a commitment. They
go to the medical schools, Brother Carl listeners and they say,
which ones of you are going to reverse the cycle

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of the brain dream? In other words, who's not leaving
the Congo and going to France or Belgium. Who's not
leaving Mozambique, Angoland, Guinea Basalu and running to Portugal. Who's
not leaving Nigeria and running to England or to New
York City. Who are the doctors that are going to
remain in your nations, regardless of the economic and political hardships,

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and the ones who raise their hand, those are the
ones they train. So when they're not in the villages
treating the sickest of the sick, they are training the
future doctors of those nations, giving them which will ensure
they become the best doctors those nations have ever had
available to them, in the same way that those two
hundred and forty five graduates who have North American citizenship

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are going to be the best doctors their communities have
ever had. And my nephew was at Grady Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia,
which people in Atlanta called the Hood Hospital during the
Corona pandemic, working eighty hours a week, and because of
his Cuban training, he had the chief surgeons, the chief

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of physicians.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Asking him what to do.

Speaker 10 (01:36:20):
So this is not hype, This is not for political purposes.
We are exaggerating about their impact. The results are undeniable.
Look at their glacoma rates, their HIV AIDE rates, their
diabetes rates, their cancer rates, and get accounts. They were
so beautiful to have our Liberian sister. As part of

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that press conference, she gave a detailed account of Cuba's
work on the ground in Liberia, Sara Leone and Guinea
to eradicate Ebola when they were dealing with them. When
they are needed, they will come. And she talked about
their level of community, their level of discipline. She said

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they weren't even going out to party. They eight together,
they moved together, and while they were eating, they were
strategizing on how they can improve their work. And this
is why the Government of South Africa said that if
anybody gets the Nobel Peace Prize, it should be the
Henry Reeve Medical Brigade. But of course we know that

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would be more explosive than the dynamite Alfred Noble, who
the Nobel Peace Prize is named after, used to build well.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
In this particular session, brother Obi, how can folks keep
up because so many things are changing in Cuba?

Speaker 6 (01:37:42):
How can they keep up? How can they fall in well?

Speaker 10 (01:37:45):
If they want to get with this? Remember I mentioned
you know we're not talkers, we're organizers. So I came
one and mention that we have a fourteen and fifteen
year old who have made a call to action asking
children of African descent, who know how to draw, who
know how to paint, who know how to skult who
know how to do art digitally to create images of

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the Canbrviet Medical Brigade at work in Africa, the Caribbean
and Latin America. And next year we will have all
Africans children, collage and galleries paying tribute to their efforts.
If you want to get involved in that at O
b I e g b u n A one five
at j R e g b u n a x

(01:38:30):
formerly Twitter for dinosaurs like myselfs and social media. O
b I e g b u n A one five
at gmail dot com is the email if you want children,
if your artists, if your musicians, if your points, and
you want to be on an album paying homage to
Assada Shakur and Pauline Lamumber, the wife of Pauline Lamumber,

(01:38:52):
get in touch with us using those same vehicles to
get in touch with us, and the I'll end by
talking about Pauline Lamomber quickly. First of all, she was
with her husband every step of the way in his
time as a freedom fight to seeking to liberate the Congo.
And most people know about her because of the letter

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that he wrote to her which she said she may
not get it. While he was still alive, so that
was the first time people heard her name. But she
led one of the most important protests in African history,
modern African history. She marched women through the streets of
the Congo bear breasted, and when people asked what was
the symbolic reason for doing that or what was the purpose,

(01:39:35):
she said, when her husband was assassinated, you stripped the
Congo naked and in Pan African spirit. While we're celebrating
now from one hundred, let us not forget that France
Nan turns one hundred this year too. You cannot talk
about Francis cres Welson, you cannot talk about naim Akba,
you cannot talk about Bobby Wright. You cannot talk about

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the Association of Black Psychologists without talking talking about the
work of France Fernan. Patres Lamomba turns one hundred this
year and Medgar Evers turns one hundred this year. Medgar
Evers and Patrice Lamoomba are born in the same day,
July second, nineteen twenty five. And we are in negotiations
right now with Cuba Mass Emphasis Children's history and theater company.

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We did a play six and a half years ago
called nineteen twenty five and it was about Patrice Lamomba, France,
Fernan and brother Malcolm as children. There's a ninety percent
chance that that play is going to be done by
La called Manita, Cuba's National Theatrical Ensemble for children.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
We got to cut it there, brother, we got doctor Wimbush.
But I thank you for all the information that you said.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
The time that I lost.

Speaker 10 (01:40:46):
So that's very much always a pleasure to be on
with you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
You take you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Thank you, brother Obi fourteen minutes at the top there
and doctor Wimbush, grand rising, welcome back.

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
To the program.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
Hey brother, how you doing man?

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I'm still learning, doctor Winbush, I'm still learning. It's a
lot to learn, there is and the more you learn,
the more you figured that you don't know. So I'm
just I'm just happy that I could have the ability
to recognize that I don't know a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
That's right, and a lot of us don't recognize that.
But the recognition of it is the first step to
increase in your wisdom and knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
And not only that, once you've learned something new, you
got to take action on it. You know, this conversation
with Kevin earlier that most people where they learned something new,
they still won't give up their old thoughts of what
they thought. They still want to implement what.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
They learned exactly. I mean, so with Jordi group and
others call it cognitive dissonance. We just are so wedded
to our past ideas and conceptions of things that it's
hard to let go of them, and that closes us
down for learning new things.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
But how do you deal with that as a psychologist
and as a professor.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Well, it's difficult. I mean, you know, even at at
Morgan State where I teach, you know a lot of
times students come with ideas you know that are simply wrong,
and you don't want to say you're wrong. But I
always ask students and others who have their running his ideas,
I said, well, how did you come to that conclusion?

(01:42:26):
So I ask questions and I try to get them
to question their own ideas rather than me trying to
pontificate and say this is how you should think. So
we should ask them how they arrived those ideas and
then kind of deconstruct them as they go along.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Gotcha, listen, we've got to step aside for a few
and mos when we come back though, let's get into
some of the topics that we want to talk about.
We want to talk about Bill Gates's controversial birth control
plant for Kenya, the ongoing Texas Jeremy issue, Donald Trump's
threat to federalize Washington, DC, and some other stuff. Want
Gaza as well. There's so much stuff going on, professor,

(01:43:08):
So we want to hit it up and I want you,
We want to get to your thoughts. Family, you want
to join our conversation with doctor Ray Wimbish. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight seventy six on ticket phone calls.

Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
Next.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Thanks Grand Rising family, Thanks for rolling with us on
this Monday morning here, thanks for starting your week with us.
I guess it's doctor Ray Wimbish. As he mentioned, he
teaches of Morgan State University Psychology. Professor went going to
cover a lot of ground this morning with So let's
start with with Bill Gates. Doctor Wimbush's going into Kenya.
Can he explain what he's trying to do in Kenya?

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
Well, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Think I think all of us need to dust off
our nineteen ninety album Fear of a black planet by
public enemy. It's bears listening to.

Speaker 12 (01:44:19):
Again.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
Gates has been obsessed with, you know, birth control and Africa.
Those you know Gates birth control in Africa are almost
you know, it should always be put in the same sentence.
So he's developed the bill, mean Linda Gates Foundation is
set to launch and putting two and a half billion

(01:44:44):
dollars in it an eight year contraceptive which is an IUD.
But they're also talking about a patch that a woman
can put on her arm, and in the patch it
has mike needles that will guarantee sterility for six months

(01:45:07):
that it will be a birth of So these two devices.
He's going to launch it in Kenya, but he has
plans on putting it to thirty five other countries in Africa,
and there's been kind of a muted protest by some
of the nations that this is a means of population control.

(01:45:28):
And again keep in mind that you know, birth rates
in Europe, the United States and other places, they're all declining.

Speaker 13 (01:45:37):
And so I think again, you know, you got to
listen to.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
What Chuck Dee said thirty five years ago about the
fear of a black planet that whites are terrified since
they are a minority on the planet Earth, comprising only
eight percent of the population, that they want to somehow
suppress the birth of people of color, you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Know, twenty two out the south now, doctor wembersh Yeah,
of course he's not going to go to do these
these test if you will, in the Scandinavian countries. I
get that it's not going to go to the white
countries and do that, but it's still not even going
to the so called brown and yellow countries to do that.
What's the obsession with with with Africa? What's the obsession

(01:46:23):
Bill Gates has with black people?

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
Well, I think he has an obsession with the resources
of Africa, which of course are the I mean, Africa
is literally the richest mineral uh depository, and I'm talking
about from all the way from the north to the
south of Cobal. I mean we I don't even want

(01:46:45):
to start to go oil, just everything. And I think
he sees African people as being in the way of
securing those ascids. Uh. China is there gathering its you know,
minerals from the continent. Africa is the richest mineral deposit

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continent on Earth, and we're in the way African people
are in the way. So if you can limit their birthing.
It's also the youngest continent on Earth. If you can
limit their birthing, go in and exploit their minerals. You
want a victory. So this is a long term plan
by the white world, with his sponsor being Bill Gates.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Right, and this is all on is the foundation, the umbrella,
his foundation, and the people look at it sometimes, Hey,
he's helping these Africans, but then as they don't understand
what he really is trying to do, like you just
explained to.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
Us, right, you know, I think that we you know,
we don't understand. I mean, you know, I had to
correct the sistance this weekend in a very gentle manner.
She kept using the term minority, minority, minority, and we
should just ban that word from our vocabulary unless we

(01:48:06):
are talking about people classified as whites. She was using
it to describe herself, describe the people that she work with,
and so forth. And I think that what we've got
to start doing is only using that term as it
relates to the global white collective. And if we do that,

(01:48:27):
we start raising our level of consciousness about our presence
on the earth and how powerful a people we are.
And like you said, he's talked kind of on the
side about using this eight year birth control method in India,
but India is not going to let him do that
in many African countries because of the money that he has.

Speaker 11 (01:48:50):
I will do it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
And I know there's a lot of conspiracy theories about
Bill Gates, but this one is not a conspiracy theory.
He's going to be launching it this year.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Yeah, twenty five. At the top, Dr Wimbersh, I talk
about Texas, the state of Texas. You know, it seems
like the objections are the same, they're just using different
methods to go after us. I want to get your
thoughts on the jerry mandering issue and that rollout that
it's started in Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
Well, you know, what can I say? I think you know.
Rachel Maddow did a show last week, Call is not coming,
It's already here, and she says how news repundits are
always saying we're headed towards authoritarian government, or we're headed
towards the dictatorship. We're already there. Usually districts are jerry

(01:49:45):
mander and that's what it is. And the Democrats are
guilty of it too. Every ten years when the US
census is taken. Trump knows that he's going to lose
in the twenty six elections, the mid terms, and so
he said, well, look, Texas, why don't you you know,
Jerry Mander now? And if you look at the districts

(01:50:07):
that are being carved up in favor of white people
and Republican districts, it all hurts the black and Latino districts,
which traditionally vote Democratic. But what is going on is
that this is having a ripple effect across the country.

(01:50:28):
Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, says that he's going
to do it. Ron Desanta is the Republican political cave
man in Florida, said that he's going to do it.
So what you have is one office said, it's really
kind of a downward spiral of American politics. You know,

(01:50:50):
I also believe that, you know, this case is working
itself up to the Supreme Court in Louisiana, is finally
that you know, is going to put a stake in
the heart of the Voting Rights Act, which has been
totally eviscerated. And the jereed mandering in Texas is just

(01:51:12):
a sign.

Speaker 12 (01:51:13):
Of all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Yeah, and you know, we're still waiting to see what
Maryland's going to do. Wes Moore, you know, he said
all options are on the table, but he has not responded.
How do you read what he's the response, because, as
you mentioned, the Illinois, Pennsylvania, California Democratic governors have already
said what they're going to do. They're gonna respond, they're
going to do the same thing. He's sort of sitting

(01:51:36):
on the fence. How do you read that?

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
Well, you know, I'm gonna be careful because I'm living
in Maryland. You know, they might come and get me.
But you know, I think that we have a very
careful black governor. You know, Tony Morrison used the phrase
under the white gaze. It's when white people black people
are always considering what white people might think. I mean,

(01:52:03):
there's no secret in this state that Wes Moore, our governor's,
you know, really has his eye towards twenty eight to
run for president of the United States, and he's making
sure that there's nothing that.

Speaker 13 (01:52:16):
Can be used against him in that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
Election. I think he's careful, and maybe I'm be careful,
not in the you know, positive sense, but more under
the white gaze that Tony Morrison talks about.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Does Dan explain elections on reparations?

Speaker 8 (01:52:40):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Yeah, and the only thing that we you know, I mean,
he used as a reason for vetoing the bill to
just establish a Commission on reparations as saying, we've got
enough studies, you know, so on and so on. So
I'm an educator, and the more that our people and
I'm you know, an African educator, the more that our

(01:53:03):
people learn about things which the commission would have done,
it would have been a public education program about reparation,
the better it is. So again, I think he has
an eye towards twenty eight and he doesn't want an
albatross in his opinion hunt around his neck to say,

(01:53:23):
well he supported reparation. I talked to a state senator
last week, and there's a good chance that when the
legislature reconvenes in early twenty six that they're going to
override the veto, so the commission will be established anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Probably, all right, family, Just checking in doctor Rave Embush
from Logan State University's our guests, did you'd like to
speak to him? Reach out to us at eight hundred
and four five zero seventy eight, seventy six and doctor wimbers.
Doctor David Horn was here last week and he says
he supports reparations. Never waivered in supporting reparations, but he
thinks we need haven't. It needs to be reimagined, if

(01:54:03):
you will. We need to come with a new technique
to get it done. We need to have a like
a conference and figure it out away, because ware we're
doing now, we're not. We're still it still hasn't gained traction.
And if he's not gaing gaining in popularity, we're losing.
So he thinks we need to go back to the
table and try to figure out another way.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
What say you, Well, you know I personally agree with that.
We have reparations here, and you know, I'm proud to
say that I'm part of the Baltimore City Commission on Reparations,
and we actually have money that we will be distributing
sometime in twenty six. The Mayor of Baltimore, Brandon Scott,

(01:54:41):
to his credit, has and the legislature in the state
of Maryland allocated money for reparations in Baltimore, and we're
using it, we're going to be distributing it, and so forth. Hopefully,
you know, Baltimore will be a model for how.

Speaker 11 (01:55:02):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
Across the nation.

Speaker 13 (01:55:05):
That being said, I agree with.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
Doctor Horn that we need to have a national conference
on reparation. And I know there's been attempts at doing
some of.

Speaker 14 (01:55:20):
That in Cobra.

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
The National Coalition for Blacks Reparations America has had annual
conferences on reparation. But we need to pull all the
groups together and talk about not teaching. I mean, teaching
has always been a part of what reparations activists has done,
but we need to talk about lawsuits and you know,
like what occurred in Tulsa, Oklahoma, they now have a

(01:55:46):
beginning of reparation over one hundred million dollars then educated,
and we need to just educate ourselves period about what
is going on about reparations in the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Right and one of the things that doctor Horne said,
we've got to internationalize it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
If you've got to make it global.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Well, I think some of that's going to happen. I'm
part of organizing a conference right now that will take
place in Zanzibar next year. The Global African Congress is
that he is going to have it either in Zanzibar
or in Togo, an international conference or reparations. So there's

(01:56:28):
a lot of talk about that because reparation is indeed
it's a you know, a global discussion among African people.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
So what do you say, twenty sevens away from the
top that, what do you say when people say that
African brothers and sisters should not get reparations because they
they sold us to the white man. What's your response?

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
Well, I think the African people who say that, who
denies that they want to be African, are just kind of,
you know, stupid about American history. And I know we
shouldn't call our brothers and sisters stupid, but it is.
And then some of it is conspiratorial. Greg Carr, many
of us know teachers at Howard University. He and I

(01:57:15):
spoke before the New York State Commission on Reparations in
early June, and within the audience there were probably at
least a third of the audience a member of ATOS
this with this ridiculous name, American descendants of slaves and
the FBA foundational Black Americans.

Speaker 13 (01:57:36):
They booed us, they hooted us.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
Tried to insult and one of the sisters came up
to me doing a break and said, why do you
call us Africans? I'm not an African, I'm an American.
Well see, you know this is where you got to
start at kindergarten level, talking to people and asking them,
as we said on the first point, asking you know.

Speaker 13 (01:57:59):
How did you come to that conclusion?

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
What makes you think that? When did black people become
quote Americans in the United States. So there's push back
against reparations, not only in the white community, which we expect,
but in the black community as well. It's a tiny minority,
but very vocal minority of people doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
And you know, when I thought they had disappeared, but
you know, when I hear what they're doing, it's in
direct response to the fact that Pan Afghanism is growing,
and I think it's part of it is the response
to what's going on in the Sahal nations. People are
seeing these brothers stand up and kicking out of the
French and they're like, oh wow, we can do this,
you know, and.

Speaker 6 (01:58:45):
People are cheering, cheering them on. All over the globe.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
People are cheering them on, and this is this notion
that we can we don't need others to achieve our
own goals. And I think this is why you see
these fringe groups. Internet fringe groups are stepping up their game.
And again, part of it is because of reparation. The
part of it because there was an awakening not just
on the continent but globally about Africans aspora.

Speaker 4 (01:59:11):
No, you're absolutely correct, Carl. I mean, it just thrills
my heart to see that. I mean, Ibrahm Treori has
been a symbol for us around the world, not just
on the continent, not just in Burkina Fosso, so, you know,
and it just you know, Willie Rix and many of
us know mufosso you know, he just came back from

(01:59:34):
Burkina Fosso with just I mean, what the brother is
doing there is just I mean, it reminds me of
the Momba and the Kroma way back in the fifties
and the sixties. So and again I think that these
groups like Ato's and I always tell people to spell
their name backwards because that's how ephemeral they are. Atos

(01:59:56):
and other groups are responding to that, and much of
their money comes from white conservative anti immigrations. So and
there's a lot written about that that we need to
make ourselves aware of as well.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
Yeah, Steve Bannon, they're orchestrated down and they're just laughing
and playing like black puppets. But listen, we got a
break coming up. And since we're talking about immigration, Trump
is asking the Supreme Court now to allow racial profiling
in California. I want to get your thoughts on that.
Where do we stand on this? Orse these immigration rates
family want to join our conversation with doctor Ray Wimbish
to reach out to us at eight hundred four or

(02:00:31):
five zero seventy eight seventy six.

Speaker 6 (02:00:33):
I'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show, right.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
And Grand Rising family, thanks to sticking with us on
this Monday morning. Here started the week with our guest,
doctor Ray Wimbush from Morgan State University. Before we go
back to let me just remind you come up later
this week. You're going to hear from doctor Jerald Horns
from the University of Houston. Also matth Guru Atkill Parker
is going to be with us, and the Universal African
People's Organization Chairman and President, Brother Zaki Brewer, who will

(02:01:25):
be with us as well. So if you are in Baltimore,
make sure you keep your radio locked in tight on
ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV, we're
on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL.
All right, Dr Wimbush before the breakouts, asked you about
the immigration rates that are taking place, especially they seem
to declare war out in California, just in the la

(02:01:45):
Are specifically. And Donald Trump is now asking the Supreme
Court to allow racial profiling. That he says that Ice
can arrest to anyone who looks Hispanic, earthy overhears him
having a conversation in Spanish. You want to get your
thoughts about that.

Speaker 4 (02:02:00):
Yeah, he said that last Thursday, and it was kind
of lost because of you know, the Epstein stuff and
you know him meeting with Putin in Alaska this week supposedly,
so you know, yes, he is amazing. We're at the
point in this country where racial profiling, which what we

(02:02:22):
thought was being tempered maybe ten years ago, with you know,
stopping frisk and all, that has accelerated. So Trump has said,
like you said, look if they look Hispanic, or they
hang out in places frequented by Latinos, or if they
have jobs that Latinos usually do like hotel construction. He

(02:02:47):
wants the Supreme Court to say we can profile and
he has the confidence now because of the supermajority that
the Conservatives have in the Supreme Court. It a win,
which means that racial profiling is okay, which is and
if it does pass, which I think it will, you

(02:03:10):
will have essentially martial law among a targeted group in California.
And that same type of martial law will be you know,
in a few weeks if actually I think it started
today or something in Washington, d C. So, I mean,

(02:03:31):
Trump is a white supremacist, and he's doing things that
white supremacists do, get rid of black and brown people
and so forth. And you know, I hear a lot
of black folk Carl say, well, you know, the Latinos
voted for Trump. First, they didn't do that in mass

(02:03:51):
It was a significant group that did it, but most
Latinos voted, you know, for Kamala Harris. Secondly, and again
I quote with James Baldin wrote Angela Davis. He said,
if they come for you in the morning, they will
be coming for us at night. And so we have
to look at the struggles of other people of color.

(02:04:14):
Latino's Palace thin as being a precursor to what may
occur to us, and we have to keep that in
mind where we say such things.

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
All right, sixteen away from the time, Well, let me
ask this question. We had a caller actually on Friday
and I opened for on Friday program and he's it
was adamant. He says, Trump cannot deport us because you
know the fourteenth Amendment, it can't break the Constitution. Understanding
that he's done everything so far. I was trying to
tell him, you that everything he's asked for, he's They've

(02:04:47):
given it to him. They've changed and broken the rules room,
the Supreme Court is done it, the Congress has done it.
So my response is, I wouldn't be surprised. What would
your response be if they come after us next, I.

Speaker 4 (02:05:00):
Wouldn't be surprised either. First of all, one of the
authors of the project twenty twenty five, which I still
tell people they need to read. It's a massive document.
But the guy, one of the major authors, we are
entering what is called post constitutional America. That means that
the Constitution is becoming to them a pass document that

(02:05:25):
is no longer relevant. And the reason why it's not
relevant to the authors of Project twenty twenty five, is
because whites are becoming a minority at so many levels
of government and business and sports, you name it, and
they want to do something about it. Post constitutional America

(02:05:47):
means make America great again, and we have to associate
those two things together. Anybody who says that we're protecting
on the fourteenth Amendment, yeah, we were, perhaps a little bit,
not anymore. The Constitution for many of the white supremacists,
including Trump, is like an outdated document and they're exercising

(02:06:12):
what they feel is necessary right now, which is a
more centralized authoritarian government in the United States.

Speaker 3 (02:06:21):
But I don't think many of our people understand the
roads that they've carved out for this country.

Speaker 6 (02:06:25):
I don't think they understand it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:27):
Like a reference to call who says, hey, it's not
going to happen to us, because you know the Constitution
and the fourteenth Amendment, and many people believe that, and
they think that within four years because Trump's the you know,
approval record is now in the toilet, so they feel that,
you know, in four years, you'll get voted out. He's
turned up on everybody. But some people think and krem
if I'm wrong, Doctor willis she who'll probably try to

(02:06:48):
figure out a way to stay in power.

Speaker 4 (02:06:51):
Look, look, we're assuming, for example, Carl, that next year
we're going to have mid term elections. You know, I mean,
if you see, you know, people like Rachel Maddow, who's
a credible journalist, say that we're already in, you know,
an authoritarian government. And I've been using the term we're

(02:07:12):
in a soft dictatorship right now, and it'll be hardened
as we approach the twenty twenty sixth election. You know,
forget twenty twenty eight. We may not have elections in
twenty twenty six next year. And see, I think that
we have an assumption that what has been in the
past will continue in the present and the future. All

(02:07:34):
bets are off right now with this white supremacist in
the White House.

Speaker 3 (02:07:39):
Wake up, black man. Eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six, twelve minutes away from the
top of our Sister Fahim is joined us. She's on
line seven. She's going from Washington, DC, Grand Rising Sister
for HAMI you around with doctor Winbush.

Speaker 15 (02:07:52):
Good morning, mister Nelson and Hotep brother, Doctor Winbush, how
are you sir.

Speaker 4 (02:07:57):
Doing fine, Doing Fine's sister.

Speaker 15 (02:08:00):
So it's a couple of things I wanted to share. First,
I wanted to say this situation with Trump wanted to
federalize Washington, DC actually has nothing to do with the
And I don't have any evidence, but I believe the
situation of Thomas Circle was orchestrated because last year Mike Gills,
who was a Trump former aide, was in a carjacking

(02:08:26):
and he died. And I believe that this whole thing
with the Dodge employee was just orchestrated so Trump could
retaliate for the death of Mike Gills, who died in
a carjacking early last year. The other thing I wanted
to say.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
Sister for him, do you think it was kind of
like what we saw with the so called assassination that
tap on Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 (02:08:50):
Absolutely, it was orchestrated. It was orchestrated. The other thing
I wanted to say is that there is an international
effort going on with respect to reparations.

Speaker 16 (02:09:01):
I UH.

Speaker 4 (02:09:01):
Last two weeks.

Speaker 15 (02:09:02):
Ago, I interviewed Inola Erd and Sean da Roxan from
the Community Healing Network, who were also part of the
UN's recent meeting in New York the Permanent form of
people of African ancestry.

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
Last year they.

Speaker 15 (02:09:17):
Were in Geneva, Switzerland, and you know, not the Winbush,
because we both were at the UN Conference Against Racism
where the Durban Declaration contended that slavey was a crime
against humanity and that we were people of African descent.
So there is international efforts going on because many of
the people that are part of these commissions, they go

(02:09:39):
to these meetings, the international meetings, and then they come
back and they work on reparations in their prospective communities.
And the other piece, the other piece, as you know
that there were I read and I'm sure you have
as well. I read Wes Moore's statements around.

Speaker 4 (02:10:00):
His vetail.

Speaker 15 (02:10:01):
He asked the legislators to give him legislation because you know,
they had that massive slavery. The impact of slavery in
the state of Maryland. The research has been done, just
like in Baltimore there they have legislation thanks to the
mayor to provide reparations. And I think that that that

(02:10:24):
that they what they needed is they need to take
him up on the challenge right the right the UH
legislation to correct the wrongs, to address the harms and
then also going back to what the reframing that uh
the other doctor Gord mentioned, we need to be dealing

(02:10:44):
with a harm based impact on people of African descent,
harm based because this whole thing with this lineage based
nonsense is a rust. As you know, I was the
co founder of the how Universe chapter in Cobra, and
both Johnny cochrane was working with Ankichi Taifa and the

(02:11:09):
other brother from Harvard. They were on the Legal Commission
and they were looking at the wrongs just as outline
in the debt and outlined by Tanahasei coats in redlining
and missed opportunities to pass on generational wealth. We know
all the things that have happened, and so it's time
to address it by a harm based uh, through a

(02:11:33):
harm based less because this whole thing with lineage based
is a rust. People are fighting harder to exclude people
and even acting for reparation from the US than they
are fighting for reparations.

Speaker 4 (02:11:46):
Sir, I agree with everything you say. Uh you know,
and I'm glad to hear you say that lineage based
quote reparations is a bunch of crap. You know. I
compared them in and got jumped on by Soda or
Atosh when I said that asking for black folk you know,

(02:12:09):
to you know, trace their lineage. You know, most of
us who have access you know to you know, computers
and documents can do that. But I'm thinking about Pooky
and Jamal they may not be able to do that.
So it causes a split and a discuss, you know,

(02:12:30):
disagreement among us about this lineage based stuff. And much
of it, as you know, is backed by white anti immigrations.
As I said early, so you know this right exactly.
They want us to be divided, not only nationally but internationally.
I was talking about the Shatka you probably know them

(02:12:51):
ount in San Francis a couple of weeks ago. He said,
ATOS and FBA are the only, if they're the only
group in American history black group that has opposed of
Pan African movement. We've had individuals who do that, but
we've never had an organized black organization in this country

(02:13:15):
opposing Pan Africans. It is ridiculous.

Speaker 15 (02:13:19):
Well, just as Carl alluded to, this was the brainchild
of Steve Bannon to create divisions between black people, and
I think it's the greatest pulx and rooster has been
put a place upon us because the fact of the
matter is is that people are literally fighting to exclude
people who had never even asked to be. Probably Kara

(02:13:42):
Karm is dealing with the issue in terms of the Caribbean.
And then you know, you had a conference last year
where the African countries are looking at colonizers. I mean,
you have a situation if you've anyone and I'm gonna
land here, if anyone has been part of a class
action lawsuit, you don't care about who else is going
to be compensating. You're just focusing, well, what you're supposed

(02:14:05):
to get. And so I redirected our focus to cause
us to undermine our own efforts. And I was just
playing there, and I'll just say the struggle continues.

Speaker 4 (02:14:15):
All right, thank you, sister beautiful.

Speaker 6 (02:14:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:14:19):
And the thing where they created those groups of those adults,
she recall it is around the election time. So they
didn't want to vote Black folks to register to vote
or vote not to vote Democratic. That's all that was,
tell them, don't vote if they don't give you reparations.
And they came with all kinds of scenarios where you
should not vote because they wanted Donald Trump to vote
to win, and people didn't understand this. So these groups

(02:14:41):
have carried that on post election. They're probably still getting
checks and some of our people have been, you know,
have bought into the game. How do we how do
we how do we take the scales out their eyes?
So do you think they just refuse or they've taken
too much of the kool aid?

Speaker 4 (02:14:57):
Well, you know, I think that like Maroon ban he
says the author of Urubu. She says that we must
be very aggressive in our denunciation of white supremacy.

Speaker 5 (02:15:08):
We have to, you know, to use an old expression called.

Speaker 4 (02:15:11):
A spade a spade, you know, and we have to
make sure that we are that we talk very clearly
about the system of white supremacy. And I think that,
you know, a lot of people are reluctant to you know,
criticize groups like Ato's and FBA and the Freedman, all
of these lineage based, you know, blackface groups, you know,

(02:15:35):
backed by white money. But we can't do that, and
we have to go directly at what they are doing,
talk about their origins, and point out the data that
proves that these people are all white backed.

Speaker 3 (02:15:50):
All right, I hope it works. Listen, we got to
step uside for a few months.

Speaker 6 (02:15:53):
We come back.

Speaker 3 (02:15:53):
Bill and Baltimore wants to speak with this so it
is honest and Jay and Michigan also wants to join
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Ray Wimbush. Just reached out to us. A telephone number
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Rocking and Grand Rising family in facts staying with us

(02:16:49):
on this Monday morning here this is the leventh day
of August. The Black August I guess is doctor Ray Wimbush.
He teaches at Morgan State University Psychology professor there and
just discussing several issues with doctor Embush and Bill in
Baltimore wantn't to join the conversation. He's online one Grand
Rise and Bill, you're on with doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 17 (02:17:10):
It's Bill there online one a couple of points. Yeah,
can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (02:17:14):
You can hear now go ahead.

Speaker 12 (02:17:15):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 8 (02:17:17):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (02:17:20):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:17:21):
Okay, So a couple of points when you mentioned California
in Washington. You know, I've always said that first of all,
Trump is trying to see exactly how much he could
push before the people rebel. Then secondly, I said that
Trump have to stay in office because he know that
if he don't die in office, then once he come

(02:17:43):
out of office, he's going to prison. If you don't flee,
flee the country. Right, So you know, I guess I'm
saying all that to say because I constantly say that we,
as I see it, we on the edge that we
have to have a civil war. And it said country
because we have already been proven that the power, the
political admiritus cannot stop what Donald Trump is doing. The

(02:18:04):
Supreme Court is not stopping him, so it's not number
one line of defense. Left with just the citizenship to
rise up and be able to fight against this here government,
to overthrow this government to government and establish a new government.
And let me just close this. You know, yesterday I
went seeing forty eight because at the Pipe Theater, I
think in the movie that everybody should see because you know,

(02:18:26):
it kind of really put you in the atmosphere of
what we are today in terms of what we need
to do to preserve what we consider any symbolans of democracy,
because if we're not willing to fight then and you know,
we can't wait till the mid terms election, it's going
to be too late. So I guess my point to

(02:18:47):
that dog is this, where did you stand in terms
of that? Do you see that the people is the
last line of defense in terms of stopping what's happening?

Speaker 18 (02:18:56):
And that's my question.

Speaker 4 (02:18:58):
Well, it's a great question, and I'm glad that you
have seen forty Acres. I've seen that film five times.
It's an excellent film for where we are today and
probably one of the reasons why it's not getting any
publicity in the United States because it's a Canadian film. Actually,

(02:19:19):
you know, it's interesting. And Aki Moja down in Georgia
has written a book about we Will Shoot Back. Came
out a few years ago, but it bears reading again
if you haven't read it already. And I think that
black folks are reluctant to take up arms more today

(02:19:43):
than any other time. You know, in the sixties and
the seventies, it was a given, you know, with the
Black Panther Party, for example, you can read Huey Newton's
book Revolutionary Suicide, and the Panthers saw guns were necessary,
whether or not the black folk in the United States

(02:20:06):
in general and black people in the United States, and
you know, we'll do that. I think there's demonstrations that's
marching every week in this country against the Trump administration
that has not stopped Trump at all from doing what
we probably a year ago thought was impossible to do,

(02:20:29):
occupying DC, you know, asking the Supreme Court to take
away you know, this racial profiling in California and so forth.
So I think that we have to prepare for what
is becoming the most dangerous time in this country since
the Civil War. Whether or not we as black folk

(02:20:52):
are preparing for it is another story when we have
to start thinking differently.

Speaker 13 (02:20:57):
And you know, as I told some people this weekend,
quit booty.

Speaker 4 (02:21:00):
Snapping and and really get serious about the conditions that
this country is in and that black folks are in.

Speaker 17 (02:21:09):
Well, and that's what and that's why I say, and
again thank you for this opportunity. But that's why I say,
you know, a civil war, because it's not going to
just be about black folks. You got white folks that's
losing too. Since almost like the Civil War that happened,
and when the Lincoln made the statement says that it
was anyway he could free the the you know Brandon
Northern South together with our friends Slavers Wood.

Speaker 4 (02:21:30):
Well, we're in the same position.

Speaker 17 (02:21:32):
Today, you know. I mean, Donald Trump can't just hurt
h people of color without hurting white folks. And white
folks ain't trying to lose that summers of democracy and
lose the privileges of power that they got neither. So
that's why I said we have to have a civil war.
I'm not talking about racial wy I'm just talking about
civil war, whether people rise up against the government.

Speaker 4 (02:21:55):
I would wait and see if that happens. And I
think that the conditions for what you just said they're
right right now, probably more right than any other time
since the American Civil War. You know, I've got to
wait and see attitude, whether or not that is going
to happen, I don't know. I'm not sure to this

(02:22:18):
movie on.

Speaker 3 (02:22:18):
Let me ask you this, though, doctor Wimers. Because Donald
Trump's going to have a press conference at ten o'clock
this morning, he's going to talk about federalizing Washington, d C.
How do you read what's going on? Because first he's
talking about it told the homeless to get out of town.
He just want to see homeless folks when he's driving
into the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue. And also he's
talking about the crime in the district. And if you
look at the records, crime has gone down in Washington,

(02:22:40):
DC's gone. You know, it's gone down all across the country.
Your thoughts on what this? This is what probably he'll
say at this press conference at ten.

Speaker 4 (02:22:49):
Well, you know, Stephen Miller, his brain or one of
his brains, said that the conditions in Washington, d C.
Are worse than what are in Dad.

Speaker 13 (02:23:00):
I mean that. You know, this is an administration that.

Speaker 4 (02:23:04):
Tells lies daily, in fact hourly. So I expect Trump
to lie. I expect him to exaggerate on the crime
levels in uh d C.

Speaker 13 (02:23:16):
I expect that.

Speaker 4 (02:23:17):
And what I want to see is the response of
the black mayor of Washington, d C. And frankly, the
citizens of d C. How are they gonna take that?
If you see National guardsmen and you live in d
C coming out on U Street at night, what are
you gonna do about it? And so I'm wanting to

(02:23:39):
see what the responses of the d C government as
well as the black citizens of Washington, DC. You know,
you gotta expect Trump, like I said, to lie and
a lot of people start believing his lies. Black folks
start believing his lies. And we better get to a
point that we go up thirty thousand and see look

(02:24:00):
down and see what's really happening on the ground. This
is a test to see if he can declare Marshall
law in other black communities throughout the country, including Baltimore
City where I live.

Speaker 3 (02:24:15):
How do you see this coming down? Because you already
got federal agents that were on patrol in the district overnight.
You know, agents who work for the FBI. How are
they going to get the homeless of the on housed
people as some people glad to call them? And where
are they going to put them? It's got to go
somewhere if they're out in Washington, d C. Is where's
he going to send them to Baltimore, New York? Or
is he going to send them to to a democratic city?

Speaker 4 (02:24:37):
There's the joker in the DMV that Prince George's county
is DC's tenth or you know, because a lot of
people are moved out of d C into PG County
in Maryland. You know, I think asking, you know, us
asking that question now is not far from reality because
we're seeing him pick up, you know, immigrants off the streets,

(02:25:03):
some illegally, like the brother here, the Latino brother here
in Maryland who was taken to where Al Salvador and
thrown in a prison or Venezuela wherever he was taking.
So I think that right now I wouldn't be surprised
if Trump said we're going to just pick up the
homeless and we're going to put them, dump them on

(02:25:25):
the streets of PG County or something else. The other
place we're in again, a soft dictatorship right now, and
we're in a post constitutional America according to the white supremacist.

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
And I you know, I agree, Yeah, sadly many of
our people don't know that ten half the top. We'll
answer this question though. He's just kind of deal with
three African countries, the last round being Rwanda to send
on discibles or undocumented immigrants. There is that a precursor
when they get ready for us to send us there.

(02:26:01):
How do you how do you read that, Donna.

Speaker 4 (02:26:05):
Again, It's like Baldwin says that they come for you
in the morning, they'll come for us at night. And
why would he, you know, even be talking about sending
people to Rwanda and I forget the other two countries.
They're these weak African nations. You know, I got mixed
emotion about the president of his name, Kagali or whatever

(02:26:26):
of Rwanda anyway, and a lot of people are they
love to strike deal, many of our African leaders with
you know, a deal with the devil. We got to
think about whether or not they're gonna come for us
at night. And and I think that if we have
resistance in DC, that many of those brothers and sisters

(02:26:48):
that do resist in d C about martial law are
going to be, you know, put on a plane and
flown to some of those African countries. That's that's not
even a wild idea. I mean, he's preparing for that stuff,
and we don't think that he will do it, but
he's already doing into Latinos and others.

Speaker 6 (02:27:10):
Check that.

Speaker 3 (02:27:11):
Ten after the top day, I've got some more folks
want to talk to Younest this next he's calling from
Baltimore's online too, Grand Rising Ernesty on with doctor.

Speaker 18 (02:27:18):
Winbush Grand Rising Grand Rising. So doctor Winbush, I called
primarily to say to ask, how can you help me
feel like I'm African, because like the woman who caught
you on the break and said she's not African. If

(02:27:38):
I've said this to call before too, and he just says,
keep on listening. I heard you say you got to
start at kindergarten. But my point is, and my ancestors
may have come from Africa, but I don't know nothing
about Africa, per se. I have African friends from gone

(02:27:59):
up from not the area and things of that nature,
you know, been to their house and try their food
and stuff like that. But I don't feel like I'm African.
I don't, you know, have nothing against it or nothing
like that. But I'm just straight from Baltimore, and that's
where I've been all my life.

Speaker 4 (02:28:17):
Right well, you know, you know, for by me or
someone said, inside of every Negro is an African. I mean,
sometimes we gotta is right at the back of our throat.
Sometime we got reached down the throat, and sometime we
got reached down to the stomach. And it doesn't to
pull that African out. The reason why you don't know

(02:28:40):
that much about Africa is because the system of white
supremacy under the guise of education taught you not to
know anything about Africa except negative stuff, children with big bellies,
tarsand all of that. And see go ahead, brother, right,

(02:29:00):
But even if I know.

Speaker 18 (02:29:02):
About Africa, America or me have been messed up because
of the rape or the mixture. Say, like, you know,
I know it's not a good term to me, lackold
people and all like that. Suppose you have an Irish
father and African mother, then you know, are you supposed

(02:29:26):
to like say I'm Africans and forget about the Irish part.
So I think that it's all damaged and messed up
and you can't put the genie back in the battle
to say I'm proud that I'm an African and you're
all messed up. You're different, You're a different species.

Speaker 4 (02:29:44):
Now, well, I don't think I at all. I think that,
And I've always had problems with the term African American.
I would rather say an American African, like I would rather,
you know, say French African or Brazilian African, you know,
because I think that the denominator is more important than

(02:30:08):
the numerator. That's what I was taught in mathematics. Secondly,
you know, it's interesting that we see people like Robert
de Niro who will describe himself as an Italian American
even though he was born in the United States, or
every year when we have a president like Joe Biden,
for example, that he makes a trip to Ireland even

(02:30:31):
though he was born in Pennsylvania. So you know, it's
amazing how white people will acknowledge their European heritage.

Speaker 17 (02:30:40):
Even though they may have come over on.

Speaker 4 (02:30:42):
The Mayflower or came over on Ellis Island. But black
people are taught to disconnect themselves from Africa, and I
know that.

Speaker 18 (02:30:52):
No people love to say I'm African American, don't you think?

Speaker 4 (02:30:58):
But why don't we say American, Africa, Africa.

Speaker 3 (02:31:04):
You know what, old fell Let me jump in here,
let me get a peace of this. Why don't you
say we're African because the people I know who are Mexican,
Irish or I'm Italian.

Speaker 2 (02:31:15):
Why don't you say that exactly?

Speaker 4 (02:31:17):
But see, you know, we gotta feed our people slowly,
because that's what I would prefer all to be. Why
don't we just call ourselves African. You hear people say
I'm an Italian, I'm Irish, I'm French, and they were
born in this land mass. But we are reluctant to
say that we are African. And so you know, I'll

(02:31:39):
start if I could just get black folks to say
they're American African, then the next step would be to
say that they're African. But we've been taught how bad
Africa is. You know, the Tarzan was the king of
the jungle, So we've got to a quaint And I
tell black folks in my book Warrior Message, just read
thirty's a Day something about black folk, and you opened

(02:32:04):
your eyes up and said, boy, I will look what
I've missed all these years I've been born. I was
born in Baltimore, but there's a whole continent out there
that I should be connected to real quick.

Speaker 18 (02:32:16):
So you don't think that a large percent of Latinos
voted for Trump.

Speaker 4 (02:32:24):
Oh, I know they didn't. The numbers say that.

Speaker 18 (02:32:26):
That's good to know, because you know, we all been
saying we're not like you said, we're not. We're not
worried about them being deported because it's a generalistatement that
they voted for him, so they get what they get
and we stay out of it. And you're correct, Trump
the white supremaist, and uh, he's doing so much damage
is incredible, and like he's going to bring back Confederate

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statues and it's all this stuff and it's it's it's
just amazing that the people, well I know, that's what
I'm saying. And when people go behind them curtains and
Trump told it his deportation and getting rid of the border.
Those white people voted for Trump and whether they said

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they were going to vote for Kamala or not, once
he said he was getting rid of you know, his
Spanish and stuff like that, they was like, Okay, we're
gonna put Trump back in there. And the other thing
is they ain't want another black president and you want
them not but I don't even know if so much
was a woman, they did not want another black president. Okay,
thanksful lot for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (02:33:32):
All right, thank you, thank you, Ernest, and Doc, I'll
let you respond to what he said, because he put
a lot on the table in it probably has a
few people who think like Ernest, then we need to
cl clarify that you know, because again what Astra question says,
know thy self. It's part of the problem with Ernest.
You just know who he is. But that's not his
fault because he was programmed that way not to know
who he is. But I'll let you respond to what

(02:33:52):
he just said when we get back eighteen minutes at
the top of our family, I guess this is doctor
Ray Wimbush. You want to get in on this conversation,
reach out to us eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take.

Speaker 1 (02:34:03):
Your phone calls next Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (02:34:27):
Rising family, and thanks for sticking with us on this
Monday morning here on the eleventh day of August of
twenty twenty five. But I guess doctor Ray Wimbish from
Morgan State University. So doctor Wimbers help a brother Ernest
out because he's conflicted. He's not quite ready to give
up the stars and the stripes because he doesn't see
anything in the red, green and black that he can
cling to that he knows about. So if you can

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fill that gap for it, and then we'll take some
more folks, I'd appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:34:51):
Yeah, you know, real quick, you know a few years ago,
I had lunch with Tom Burrell, who was probably the greatest.
I mean, there's a book out about him now called
Advertising Revolutionary. He was the greatest of our black advertising executives.
And I had lunch with him because of his book Brainwash,

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challenging the myth of black inferiority. And Tom told me,
he said, you know, Ray, there's been a five hundred
year advertising campaign saying that black people are inferior, that
Africa is not worth dealing with, don't study it and

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refer to yourself as an American. And so I would
tell Ernest, and I hope you're still listening, get a
copy of Brainwash. Nobody wants to be brainwashed. But I
guarantee if you read Burrell's book Brainwashed, it shows how
this has been orchestrated, that you don't want to connect

(02:35:54):
with Africa, or you don't see Africa as part of
what's going on, and that you know there's an elevation
of Irish ancestry or you know, Italian ancestry. When I
tell block audiences that in all of our lineage, you know,
if we want to talk about lineage, there is a

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white rapist. That's how we got our last names, and
so much of what we think just happens to be
it was an orchestrated campaign by the system of white
supremacy to brainwash us. And Tom Burrell's book will tell
you how that happened, why it happened, and what you

(02:36:38):
can do about it.

Speaker 3 (02:36:40):
Right, And we've had Tombarell on. He's now retired, he's
living in Florida. That's a great book. As you mentioned,
Doctor Wimbush, great twenty three minutes at the top of
the out Let's go to Michigan Jay's wedding Rush. He's
online four Grand Rising Jay, You're on with doctor.

Speaker 8 (02:36:51):
Wimbush, Grand Rise and Grand Rising to the doctor the
brother had previously called, Uh, that's a great book that uh,
doctor Windbush talked about. You know, one of my mentors
would be Bobby Wright with mentor side.

Speaker 4 (02:37:12):
Oh my god, yeah, I went to school with Bobby Brother.

Speaker 8 (02:37:17):
Oh my goodness. Oh lord.

Speaker 13 (02:37:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:37:21):
So and then I refer you know, even if you
don't want to start there, just listening to Malcolm when
he talks about because a kitten, I mean a cat
has kittens in the oven, doesn't make them biscuits. So
that's just a couple of starting points for the brother,
you know. And uh, my question was related to the

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mayor oil race in New York and what uh doctor
Windbush's take on that, especially last week we had a
little conversation on that with one of the you know,
frequent guests, and you know, I kind of disagree, and
it illustrates how not only the racial element you know,

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in our politics and in our society, but also trying
to negate coalitions between the different you know, communities, and
how also how to use class too as an element.
So it's not all just you know, whites. You know,
white supremacy contains all those elements. But we have to

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also realize that they use that class struggle to keep
the masses divide and fighting each other. You know, the
foundation is definitely racism and white supremacy, but they also
use those other tactics, you know, propaganda and the brainwashing,
that type of thing, along with keeping the masses fighting

(02:38:47):
among each other. So could you just you know, illuminate that,
you know, and related to the mayoral race, how you
know a lot of blacks would go with the black
candidate just because he's black. And I really looking at
the policies that he you know, has as a mayor,
you know, in this last term. So could you talk

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about that.

Speaker 4 (02:39:10):
Well, you know, Eric Adams I think has paid a
price in New York, the mayor of New York. Uh
probably remember you probably remember a few months ago, Jay,
how he was kind of closing up to you know,
the Trump administration. Uh So they frankly to keep him
out of jail, and they've flipped on him all, you

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know immediately, you know, now they talk about, look, we're
coming after you. And I mean I'm a supporter of Mom, Donnie,
you know which again, you know, and some people said, well,
you got to vote for Adams simply because he's black.
Well see, you know it's like, you know, Thurgood Marshall
was asked when he was leaving the Supreme Court whether

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or not he wanted a black judge to take his place,
which ultimately happened with you know, uncle Clarence Thomas, or
did he want a white person that did.

Speaker 13 (02:40:10):
The right thing?

Speaker 4 (02:40:11):
And you know, Thurber said, look, I want a white
person that does the best thing over somebody that's gonna
bug dance. So I mean those are my words, not his,
but it's very similar to what he said. So I'm
supporting mount Domney. I think that Eric Adam is a compromiser.
I think that he sees himself as somebody that is

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in trouble, did what he thought would get him out
of jail, and he's paid the price for it. And
I think the class has to be discussed with race.
But again I think that race first.

Speaker 8 (02:40:48):
Like Gardy said, Okay, yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
You know, race first, but class is definitely an element.
And then, like I say, you know, any of these elections,
you got to look at them policy. You know, Eric
Adams comes from this whole policeman, you know, trying on
crime type of you know, attitude that's deleterious to the

(02:41:09):
black community. So beyond that, thanks, thanks, thanks for that.

Speaker 5 (02:41:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:41:16):
And Bobby Wright was my mentor. We were students together
at the University of Chicago.

Speaker 8 (02:41:23):
Yes, sir, a legend.

Speaker 6 (02:41:26):
Yes, thanks Jay.

Speaker 3 (02:41:27):
Twenty eight after topic, let's keep going, Let's go to
Maryland Kafe's online five Grand Rising caffee around with doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 16 (02:41:36):
Grand Rising Krawl, Good morning, Grand Rising doctor. How are
you guys today?

Speaker 4 (02:41:41):
Doing fine?

Speaker 16 (02:41:43):
Awesome? Well, I had to jump in on this convo
for a few different reasons. First, if you guys can
see in the future, grabbing and snatching up the unhoused
in DC is just an extension of paying the prison
industrial complex and putting more people in beds in their

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new concentration camps. Because those concentration camps, says, the prisons
are run by beds, and they're running out of people,
and they're taking too much flack for snatching up legal citizens.
So now they're going to be snatching up un house
people that have no authority or any right to fight
or anything. No documentation is what I'm meant to say

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to help them, and they're going to be filling up
the beds for what they want to do. And then
in regards to the jobs where they're snatching up these Latinos,
what is the point of all of this is to
get back to free labor. And so now the people,
the Latinos that are in their concentration camps are going
to miraculously be available to work for free on the farms.

(02:42:49):
So just pay attention to that, because that's exactly what's
happening now. My questions last comment is getting back to
our people. The Civil war that the young man talked
about earlier, whereas I would hope that that would be
something that people would raise up in arms about as
I watch everything unfolding. First of all, we already know

(02:43:12):
he's stolen people's kids before, and you know, the rundown
of all the illegal things he's done, and yet we
still have people that are okay with it. Right, So
the first thing is addicted to white So some black
people are just addicted to white culture that they'll never
see past it because as long as they're in it,
they're okay because they think they're protected.

Speaker 4 (02:43:34):
I e.

Speaker 16 (02:43:35):
Eric Adams, Right. But and then we have this new
culture where the villain, right, the bad person is being
celebrated and heralded as something good. And that's where our
problem is at, right, because social media and influencers and
all this other bullcrap with you know, popularity has skewed

(02:43:56):
the minds of so many people, and not just kids,
because the adults that are walking around here raising these
kids are part of the problem, right, because they want
to be too much in the know and doing TikTok
dances and stuff like that. So you're okay and you're
easily being manipulated and distracted that you'll never have enough
anger in you to want to fight. Right, those white

(02:44:19):
people that storm January sixth, when it took him one
hundred and eighty seven minutes to call the National Guard,
they're mad at a lie, but they were mad because
of consistently being lied to, and so they had a reason.
We are too worried about what Latinos are doing and
what this person that I'm doing, what that person's doing.
You'll never be mad enough at what they are doing

(02:44:41):
because you're always worried about what they're doing as someone else.
And I think that's a problem that we have to
deal with, and it's going to take a lot more
than deprogramming, you know, our people, And I want to
get your thoughts on that. But then the last point
that I wanted to make is know when when is enough?

(02:45:02):
If we've been eight months of lawlessness, right, you can't
go to the hay because everybody's I don't know why
you're afraid of this orange clown, right, But the point
is that we need to stop focusing on the orange
clown and look at his auxiliary. The Steve Bannon's, the
Stephen Miller's, those are the people that are really causing
the you know, the gnomes and all of those those

(02:45:24):
are the people that are causing you the problems. He's
just a mouthpiece and a figurehead. The bottom is where
you need to get you. So I would like your
thoughts on those things. And Carl always great to hear you,
and I thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (02:45:39):
Well, you know the you know doing the Bush administration,
George W. Bush. There was a guy named Carl Rove
and there was a book written about him called Bush's Brain.
Trump's Brain are the two people, and I would add
a third, this guy named Votes who's head of the
budget Office. He's one of the orchestrators of Project twenty five.

(02:46:04):
So I think that, you know, see, I'm worried about
I'm not worried, but I'm concerned about white supremacy wherever
it is, and how we counter racist strategies about it.
Whenever I see the white world do something against people

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of color, I want to do something about that. I
want to talk about it, I want to teach about it.
I want to organize about it. And a lot of
us are reluctant to do that. So I think that
and the other thing we as black folks have to
have an international perspective on what is happening to African

(02:46:47):
people and people of color all over the world. White
supremacists are organizing in Europe against African immigrants coming up
from the Sudan and other places like that. The Aboriginal
people in Australia are continuing to fight, you know, against

(02:47:08):
white supremacy. So this is there's an anxiety among the
white world. And again listen to chugg these you know,
fear of a Black planet, you know, and read doctor
Wellesy's book The Isis Papers. I mean, this is a
global phenomena and we have to think globally about everything

(02:47:30):
that is happening in the world today.

Speaker 3 (02:47:33):
All right, thank you, Kay, thank you for your comment.
Twenty six away from the top day, I want to
thank Ray too. Ray called in and gave us the
three countries in Africa that Donald Trump has assigned contracts with.
You know, Donald Trump say they are s old countries,
and we mentioned Rwanda and also the other one South
Sedan and the other one East Watina. It's sort of
a new country we spind there. It's landlocked. He was

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formerly Swaziland, and it's sort of in the middle of
South Africa. On one side of Mossa Beca. It's brought
by three corners by Salaca, and one of the corners
is by Mozambique. But it's a landlocked country.

Speaker 6 (02:48:07):
Very poor.

Speaker 3 (02:48:07):
All of that's what they have in common. Very poor countries.
By the way, also did that immigration deal with the UK,
and they got a lot of pushback from the folks
in the UK black and white. They talked about Rwanda
for doing that. But anyway, thanks Ray, thanks for sharing
that with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (02:48:22):
Hey, Carl, let me add real quick. Trump also imposed
a fifteen thousand dollars bond on people coming from Zambia
to the United States. So, for example, if you're a
Zambian citizen and you want to visit New York, you
have to not only get a visa to enter the
United States, but you have to put up a fifteen

(02:48:44):
thousand dollars bond so that you will be quote guaranteed
to return to Zambia. If you don't, they take the
fifteen thousand dollars away. We know that the average zambient,
for that matter, the average American can of for to
put up a fifteen thousand dollars to go anywhere in

(02:49:05):
the world. So there's this orchestrated war against Africa and
we've got to make sure that we understand how it's
working against us as well.

Speaker 3 (02:49:15):
Right, and it's not only Zambia, I think two other countries,
and he says he's going to add more countries as
he goes down the list, because he was using that
as a way to get them to do his tariff deal.
And those who didn't do it in a timely fashion,
he says, Okay, if you wanted to visit our country
fifteen thousand dollars, you're gonna have to Doctor Wimbush mentioned

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you're gonna have to put fifteen thousand dollars, and he
knows that they can't. You know, it wouldn't work the
other way around. If we want to visit Zambia and
the other countries, we're not gonna pay fifteen thousand dollars
just to get a visa, and neither of the Rwundans
are going to do that as well.

Speaker 6 (02:49:49):
So it's.

Speaker 3 (02:49:52):
It's an issue that we're going to have to deal with.
But again, like you mentioned, Dr Winlish, that's his way
of you know, eliminating Africans black people from coming into.

Speaker 4 (02:50:01):
The country exactly exactly, And the.

Speaker 3 (02:50:06):
Question is where's the response from the Congression of Black
Caucus on all this. I guess that's why Ernest has
a problem identifying with Africa, because when our leaders won't
speak up for our brothers and sisters on the continent,
that's a major problem. Well it is, that's what I
heard about response there because I hear the music. Well,
I step aside and at after we come back, I'll
let you respond to that. But the Congression of Black

(02:50:29):
Caucus being silent on several issues, especially this one involving
our brothers and sisters on the content. And then Panther
and DC has a question for you. Family. Youtubo can
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us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
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Speaker 6 (02:50:44):
Calls next.

Speaker 3 (02:51:05):
Grand Rising family in thanks for making us part of
your morning ritual. Right here, I'm WL and WLB. I
guess this is doctor Rayvembus. She teaches at Morgan State
University and doctor members. She wanted to respond to something
I said, so I'll let you finish that.

Speaker 4 (02:51:18):
Yeah, I mean real quick, I mean we could One
reason why I'm going back to earn US a few
calls back.

Speaker 13 (02:51:25):
One reason why we don't know anything.

Speaker 4 (02:51:27):
About Africa and how we are connected to the continent
is because our elected officials don't say enough about it.
I always tell people with regards to the CBC, the
Congressional Black Caucus, compare the CBC to APAC. APAX stands
for American Israeli Political Action Committee anything that happens to Israel,

(02:51:51):
anything or happens to Jewish people in this country. The
immediately APAC responds, we don't respond about the CBC does
not respond about things that happen in Africa, and they've
got to be more assertive about this. They have to
say it more and talk more about the continent the

(02:52:13):
way Israel or APEC talks about Israel.

Speaker 3 (02:52:17):
Amen eighteen away from the top day are as. I
mentioned panthers waiting for us in DC's on line one
Grand Rising Panther, you're on with doctor Ray Wimbush and ran, yeah,
turn you radio down, Panther, because we're on a delay.
You're getting your feedback here, but go ahead. Here's your
question for doctor Wimbush. I think we may have lost

(02:52:43):
if we lost them. Kevin All right, let's move on
then seventeen away from the top, let's go to Kansas City.
Roberts Online. Six grind Rising, Robert, You're on with doctor Wimbushes.

Speaker 11 (02:52:52):
Third Grave Rising, Carl and Dr Winbush. Carl, you mentioned
about Trump federalizing police officers on the streets of DC,
and I thought about Representative Charles Barron. He was on
your show a couple of months ago talking about how
funds should be taken from the police department and put

(02:53:13):
into social programs. I was behind a police officer here
in Kansas City two years ago, going in the same
direction that he was going. So all of a sudden,
his sirene lights came on. So I was already headed
in that direction anyway, Carl, which you know, I was
already going in that direction anyway. So aftery're traveling a
mile and a half down the road, he gets out

(02:53:34):
and he just starts talking to other police officers. Have
they got the yellow tape already put up? And so
what I thought, Carl and ray went Bush, is that
when you see these police officers racing through these streets,
they're not going to stop anything. The crime has already
been ninety nine percent of the time when you see
police officers racing through these streets, the crimes already been committed,

(02:53:57):
so you can hire twenty thousand federal agents to put
him on the streets of Kansas City and DC. You're
just going to have more police officers raising the crime
scenes that have already been committed. Your thoughts, No, I agree, Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:54:16):
You know, policing, I mean what they call community policing
ought to be prevention, you know, rather than you know,
the fire, the house is on fire, we gotta put
it out, you know, the mixed metaphors, so you know,
and police aren't really there to I mean these on
their cars. They'll say we serve and protect. What service

(02:54:39):
to me should be you know, emphasized, you know. And
I know police officers, I talk to them that when
we don't walk to beat anymore because we can cover
more ground in our cars. But the idea of prevention
is something that you know is lost on many police
departments around the country, in fact, probably most of them, Yes.

Speaker 11 (02:55:04):
Sir, And I mean like I said, like I said,
you're just gonna have more police officers racing to crime
scenes has already been committed. So so I tell I
told the brother of the day. I said that, you
know what, it's going to take us in the black
community to stop the crime in our community. We can't
look the outside of agencies to stop what we can

(02:55:24):
stop ourselves in our own communities. But thanks taking my call, Carl.

Speaker 6 (02:55:28):
All right, thanks Robert, And you know, DODR. Weimers.

Speaker 3 (02:55:32):
That goes back to the fact that ICE, people that
are using to round up the immigrants, what's happening. They
can't they can't get people to sign up. So if
they've they've lowered the age, they're offering their cutbacks on
the fl old school money and there I think it
give them a fifty thousand dollars sign up bonus, and they.

Speaker 4 (02:55:50):
Still are people are That's a fact. And also right
now ICE is the biggest funded I think I forget
how much money. It's over a million that they've gotten
right now. It's the biggest police force in the United
States in terms of money. And so you know, nobody

(02:56:10):
wants to be an ICE person now.

Speaker 13 (02:56:12):
And some of these thugs.

Speaker 4 (02:56:14):
Wearing masks going around arresting people and deporting them. The
reason why they they claim they're wearing masks is to
protect themselves. Well, what do you have to hide. I mean,
this is gestapo like tactics.

Speaker 3 (02:56:30):
Bas Hitler's brown shash, that's right, private paramilitary organization.

Speaker 17 (02:56:39):
Right it is.

Speaker 4 (02:56:41):
And you know it's become like Trump's own police force.
I've been looking at that little cartoon on TV South Park.
I don't know if you ever ever seen it, but
they are, you know, just excoriating uh Trump and his administration.
Christy Known, you know, the one over homeland security shooting

(02:57:02):
dogs and stuff like that. But it's a good commentary,
you know, on you know what's happening right now in
this country. And as I've said before, the way you
set up a dictatorship, you have to attack the government first,
and that's been done through Doge and Elon Musk. The
second thing you have to come after University, Harvard, Columbia, UCLA,

(02:57:28):
all of them are bending the need of Trump. And
the third thing you have to deal with is the media.
And that's his attack right now. I mean he's being
I mean the media, you know, look at Stephen Colbert,
you know, and others who are at sixty minutes, these
you know, venerable stations that tell the truth a lot
and people, and they've been being attacked. So again we're

(02:57:53):
under a soft dictatorship now and it's going to harden
as a twenty twenty six elections approach.

Speaker 3 (02:58:00):
All right, twelve away from the top there, Alex is in,
Alexandra Virginia is online too, grand rising, Alex.

Speaker 6 (02:58:06):
Your question for doctor.

Speaker 8 (02:58:07):
Wimbush, salon and soum to viator.

Speaker 19 (02:58:11):
Yes, I want to talk to doctor ray Bush Wimbush
about this is how our people are identified as black.
But a lot of people are so confused because they
don't read enough about black. This is what it says

(02:58:33):
is Historically the term black America refer to people of
African descent with dark skin and modern contact. However, black
identity is not inherited, tied to dark skin, or specified
as African descent. Black people may have light skin or

(02:58:57):
identity as Afro Caribbean, Indigenous, Australian, or Malaysian people. Meaning
our blackness is everywhere. And this is why I identified
myself as only one person and that's what israel life,

(02:59:21):
because we don't have we don't identify ourselves as any
other race. But also I want to ask you about
our keep haning y'all keep saying that we're going to
get sent back to Africa and these other countries for
whatever reason y'all believe. But let me tell you, black people,

(02:59:44):
we have a one point seven trillion spending power analy
here in America. So why would y'all say that we're
going back to Africa and we got that type of
power here? Man. We ain't going nowhere. Man, y'all need
to stop all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (03:00:02):
Bang.

Speaker 19 (03:00:03):
And another thing, I want the listeners to google something
that Carl just said. Oh my goodness, I forgot, but
we ain't going nowhere. We're staying right respond.

Speaker 3 (03:00:24):
All right, thanks Alex Wimbush. Yeah, he says, we've got it.
We've got the reason why they're not going.

Speaker 4 (03:00:29):
To be I think again, I would recommend reading Tom
Burrell's book Brainwash. You know, when you say you're in Israelite,
and that's with all due respect to your religious views,
you know, I would ask, where are.

Speaker 13 (03:00:43):
The original you know, Hebrews from?

Speaker 4 (03:00:47):
Uh? They're not the ashgnizing Jews that are occupying Palestine
and Israel right now. Uh. You know, so we have
to again and read the book The Thirteenth Try by
Arthur Kessler that talks about the origins of Israel and
Jews and so for ashgnizing Jews. So there's a lot

(03:01:11):
of stuff, too much to get into right now. But again,
read Burrell's book Brainwashed. You know, it's an excellent book
to tell how we are thinking. Many of us are
thinking right now because of an orchestrated campaign by the
white supremacist.

Speaker 3 (03:01:30):
And you know the sad part about that, many people
won't do what you just said. Now, that's why we
had Tom Barell on to explain it to because they
they're comfortable, Like doctor Wilson says, most folks, they don't
care about white supremacy. They're just looking for a better
spot through white supremacy. And that's what that's that's the uh,
that's the reflection of most of our people, and not
most of them, just many of our people. They're they're

(03:01:51):
they're happy where they are, and if you are them,
tell them something different, they still won't change.

Speaker 13 (03:01:57):
But go ahead, No, we know what you just carl.

Speaker 4 (03:02:00):
You know, Welding said, most black folks are not trying
to fight or oppose the system of white supremacy. They're
trying to find a more comfortable place within it. And
you know, I tell my students, young folk, I said,
when you go out on a date, you know, as
the person you're going out with a date, a potential partner,

(03:02:21):
what do you think about the system of white supremacy?
And if they give you an articulate answer, say, well,
you know, I've never thought about it, but I want
to learn more about it. That's a potential partner.

Speaker 10 (03:02:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:02:32):
We have to form coalitions at the most intimate level
with those who we are married to, those within our
family about understanding the system of white supremacy. And many
of us don't understand it, and we're confused by it
because of that, I.

Speaker 3 (03:02:50):
Say, saving away from the top of Carl's calling us
from Pompey's County in Florida's online four grandwriters and Carl,
you're around with doctor Embush.

Speaker 20 (03:02:59):
Grand rated family, you know, doctor Winburish. We oft times
speak minute things about the defense of ourself and I
think about Pan Africanism. I think about supposedly the progression
of us. I was wondering as we talked about how
they're housing us and all of those different things. Where
inside of the pan have we set up some kind
of housing, some kind of health association, or some kind

(03:03:21):
of food or product activity or something like that where
we could offer to the people and we won't have
to keep telling them about things that are a failure.
We possibly might be able to tell them about something
that is positive and wonderful, because I'm sure if we
understood where we would be able to get some fresh food,
some fresh water, or some fresh housing, where we could
pick up our brothers ourselves before the police and everybody

(03:03:43):
pick them up. Is there any active taking place that
you know in the pan that we are starting offensive
programming as opposed to continue to looking at the defensive.

Speaker 4 (03:03:53):
Program Well, you know, I'm proud to live in the
city of Baltimore City, for example, one an example, we
have more black vegan restaurants in Baltimore than any of
the city in the United States. And in fact, we
are what's her names the Sexy Vegan I think, or
I think that's the name of it is Sexy Vegan

(03:04:14):
or or whatever. She's from Baltimore, who was an established restaurant.
And there are a lot of programs.

Speaker 13 (03:04:20):
There are urban guards.

Speaker 4 (03:04:22):
Throughout the United States. I can't think of a brother
out in Milwaukee that has had huge We can get
French vegetables in a lot of places around the country.
But again, we've got to like kind of dig for
that knowledge. We gotta dig for that information. It's not
gonna be on the six o'clock news a lot of times,

(03:04:42):
and we better dig for it. But many of our
communities have programs here Heber Brown here in Baltimore as
an urban farmer's program. It's one of the second to
none in this nation. But you know, you don't hear
about it every day. So we got we get, you know,
brainwash with white supremacy and with white folks are doing

(03:05:04):
every day of our lives in the newspapers, TV radio,
So for we better brainwash ourselves with people like Carl
Nelson and people that appear on this show as well
as in uh, you know, black newspapers, which we need
to be supporting all around the country.

Speaker 3 (03:05:21):
Five minutes away from the top of that with doctor
Raymond Wich, doctor Wibersh. In five minutes, Donald Trump, hopefully
he's on time, is going to address the nation and
he's gonna talk about Washington, DC, and he's probably gonna
explain that his plans to federalize Washington, DC. And that's
a broad concept right there when he says he's gonna
federalize Washington, d C. Does that just do you think
he's gonna be specific? It was something he's not usually

(03:05:44):
good at and talk about other than they on house
people that he wants out of the district. And although
there's gonna put troops in the district, do you think
he's gonna talk about something else? That's first question, And
the second part of the question is do you think
who's gonna respond. Is he's up to the mayor to
respond or is it up to the Congression of Black Caucus.

Speaker 4 (03:06:03):
I think it's up to both of them to respond. See,
DC is the easiest place to federalize as far as
a black city is concerned. You know what's next Chicago,
New York, Harlem, Baltimore City where I live. He's using
DC as a test ground for how do you impose
martial law on a city. He's also using LA right

(03:06:26):
now with Mexican and immigrants there. This guy is setting
up this dictatorship. And we don't want to believe that
there's somebody right now that just said what you know,
side what I said what I just said, because they
don't believe it, and neither did Jews believe that Hitler was.

Speaker 13 (03:06:47):
Going to send them to the gas chamber in nineteen
thirty nine Germany.

Speaker 3 (03:06:53):
Either Yeah, and they and they were more prepared than
we as a group, and they didn't believe it would happen. Actually,
they have more money as a group, they are more
educated than us than a group. But so they didn't
believe it would happen.

Speaker 4 (03:07:08):
That's right. But it happened, didn't it be as we
know it did. So I'm gonna listen to what Trump said,
but I think it's a precursor to what he plans
on doing in other municipalities around this country.

Speaker 3 (03:07:21):
All right, that we're going to close the classroom door
for the day at Dr Wimbush, Thank you. How can
folks reach if they want more information?

Speaker 4 (03:07:28):
Follow me on Facebook under ray Winbush, or call me
a Morgan State University and just ask for it.

Speaker 3 (03:07:34):
All right, Family classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay possitive, Please
stay healthy. We'll see it tomorrow morning, six o'clock right
here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB. If you're in
the DMV on FM ninety five point nine and AM
fourteen fifty WL for information is power

Speaker 1 (03:08:04):
To keep, to keep, to keep,

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