Dr. Ray Winbush & Sinclair Skinner on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thank you for starting your
week with us, and welcome to December. Later, Morgan State
University Professor Doctor Ray Wimbush will take over a classroom.
Doctor Wimbush will reflect on today's seventieth anniversary of the
Montgomery bus boycott. Doctor Wimbush should also analyze Trump's threats
to invade Nigeria and Venezuela. But before Dr Wimbush, DC
activission humanitarian brother Sinkler Skinner will join us. But let's

(00:22):
get Kevin open these classroom doors for us. Get this
week started. Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey, now Grand Rising, indeed, coll Nelson, my man, my man,
it's the first day of December, but this is in December.
The root word deckham means ten. I don't know, but
how you feeling.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm still learning, Kevin, and I'm gonna learn. Somebody will
probably correct us on that one.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, yeah, well, it's good that you you know, you
have to keep learning. It's you're not running a marathon.
You're running out of excuses.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
The more the more we learn, the more we know.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Wait a second, this is it is not what I
thought it was in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
You ever find that to be the case.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh yeah, many times, because you know, we've been taught
so many things that are not true or incorrect or
not quite right, and then all of a sudden you
come across something and go, wow, that's why, and it
makes sense, and you start to analyze why you believe
in that first instance, because somebody told me or somebody
that I respected told him, but they didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
You know, that's the way it's always been.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, and you start a roll with it, and then
all of a sudden you find out that, wait a minute,
I didn't go down like that, and so you come
up with your ideas and then you go, okay, and
I've been doing it wrong all this time.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, it's hard to lean into the hard stuff, Carl,
And you know, learning the facts that you know are
no longer true, you know, as you age or as
you read another volume or another chapter, and you know,
you just find that you you've got to begin to
learn about yourself as well. You know, write down your

(02:05):
own personal mission statement. You know, why am I here?
You know at six o'clock, six o three in the morning,
you know that kind of thing. And if you don't
know that answer, then that's when you lean into it
a little more.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
And there I go again, there I go, there I go.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, you gotta know who you are. You gotta know
who you are, yes, because you know, we all have
a purpose on this planet, and we forget sometimes it
takes a while to figure that out. But once you
figure that out, man, you just go ahead and hit it,
because that's what we're here. We're all here for a purpose.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
For real, for real.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Hey, look, with the Commanders, their purpose was to win yesterday,
and however they felt a little short in over time.
Now Dan Quintin says he's proud of them. You know,
they showed off better in the past two weeks than
they did the previous four where they didn't even look

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like they knew where the end zone was. And now
you know, this overtime loss, it had its challenges. They
put the Broncos on their on their back of their heels,
and I think it was a coin toss. I think
that when you win the goin doss, you're supposed to
play to win at that point. But when you yield,

(03:27):
then that's something else. You were saying something about the
what is that.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
The well, he's shane't quality in his team. Maybe the offense,
neither the rest maybe the defense. He thought the defense
could stop and then they could you know, take over
and wear them down.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It's it's strategy.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I like that idea. It's a strategy of the
whole idea. And you know, to you know, like a
chess board, you you might move your pond instead of
starting off with your coeen or something.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
You know, of course, and.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
So so congratulatesations to the Broncos. Uh, you got any
insight on what happened with the Ravens, I kind of peak.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
They played earlier and they lost, but they're still in
the playoffs. Though they're still in the playoff hunt, the
Ravens and the Commanders by that matter, and I haven't
been eliminated yet. The Commanders played the Vikings next week,
while the Ravens take on the Steelers, and the Steelers
are struggling. And always feel bad for the Steels because
they got a black coach and he's a likable guy,
you know, a very likable guy. But they're not having

(04:27):
the best of seasons and they're calling for his scalp
right now and pitched me.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, you know how they run those stats of what
teams are are eligible, are still in the playoffs, and
based on how many games they won and lost, and
the Ravens are now what six and seven or seven
and six, they're still in the hunt, and then number
four in the hunt. But I didn't see anything about

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the Commanders. I thought that, you know, they're they're playing now.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
They haven't been eliminating. Let's put it that way. I mean, oh, ohated, Well, yeah,
because some teams have been eliminated, Kevin, I can't recall them,
but some teams, probably the Jets because they have one
of the worst and the Raiders, I know the Raiders
are one of the teams have been already being eliminated.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh okay, again, that's the you know, I only know
so much sports report, right. You know that Haiksev is
opposing the Pentagon's idea for Trump's retribution campaign. After Donal
Donald Trump's reelection last year, a retired Army general who

(05:35):
had been critical of the president in the past made
a list of the ways that the incoming administration could
come after him should he speak out again.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
So I'm skipping ahead.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
So it's called the Trump's retribution campaign. All of those
people who were in the military are now if they
were opposing Trump are now subject to be investigated. For example, month,
they said Monday. Pete Heccepp said Monday that the Pentagon
will investigate Mark Kelly. He's a Democratic Senator from Arizona

(06:08):
and retired Navy officer go Navy, for his role in
making a controversial video reminding service members of their duty
to disobey unlawful orders. Did you see that video? Did
you get a chance? Yeah, I saw, I saw the video.
I didn't think they were saying that. They were saying that,
you know, they were advising them to stay to what

(06:29):
the Constitution says, right, exactly, because they took an oath
to the Constitution, not to Donald Trump or the Republican Party. Exactly.
You're right well in targeting Kelly and another prominent Democratic
critic of the administration, Representative Eugene Vindermann of Virginia, the

(06:50):
Defense Department, under sex heccept rather, has been co opted
into the president's norm shattering bid to exploit what was
supposed to be the partisan tools of government. So I
guess we got to keep our eye on Dad, because
it just seems like the president seems to have his

(07:12):
own personal vendetta, and it's not about the office of
the president anymore. It seems like it's you know, this
guy is in the office of the president and going
buck wild.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Where's the real president? Where the real president? Please stand up?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Right? And but again what they call him Taco? I guess,
I guess it's it's a negotiation tactic. You remember he
told them that he wanted to deal with Ukraine by
he should be honest, desk by Thanksgiving or all all
hell will break loose or something to that. Thanksgiving has
coming gone. Man, there's no deal and nothing has happened.

(07:48):
So it makes you wonder. You know, these threats and
Putin just called his threat. Okay, it's one of the
things you never do, is is you know, draw a
red line in the sand. President or the previous presidence
found that out. You've got to know what to say.
And and he's making these threats and then he has
to walk them back. Now he says he's he's he's
the he hears about the economy. So he's turned around

(08:11):
and he's attacking the economy. He says, the economy even
though we you know, people people add up the figures,
don't know because we haven't got any government figures for
a while, but people saying that, you know, everything's expensive
this year. So he didn't like that to him because
they're they're blaming him. See, his his default move is
to blame Biden, Biden, Biden. If you saw, uh Christin

(08:32):
Noman was on TV being interviewed, I think on ABC,
and in a space of about three minutes, she mentioned
Biden's name more than anything else. It seems like she
was doing an interviewing just to report to Donald Trump
what was going on. It was Biden? Was this just Biden?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
That?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know? Like wow? After a while, I lost check
on how many time she mentioned blame Biden in that
you know, a little three minute hit that she had
with ABC.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
But anyway, and that's what we've got to do. We've
got to continue to fact check our own man. And
getting back to one sports story before we leave, what
to know about Michael Jordan's NASCAR anti trust trial. This
is according to Fox Sports, the trial in the lawsuit
file by twenty three XI or is it twenty three

(09:20):
eleven Racing and Front Row Motorsports against NASCAR is set
to begin today and it's going to last for ten days.
So the lawsuit was filed by Jenny Hamlin, Michael Jordan,
and Curtis Polk and front Row Motorsports owned by Bob Jenkins,
as NASCAR owned by Jim Franz and Lisa Kennedy. Why

(09:45):
are they sewing after not getting the charter provisions they
wanted twenty three XI and FRIM opted not to sign
the twenty twenty five to thirty one charter agreement and
to sue under anti trust grounds. They claimed that to
have a premier Stark Car racing product, NASCAR needs to
have premier Stark Car racing teams, but NASCAR does not

(10:06):
provide the team's an economically viable business model. Can you
make that makes sense for us?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Carl Yeah, basically by Michael Well, Michael saying they it's
a closed boys club, So if you're not in the clothes, boy,
they're not gonna let you in. They set up the
rules so they can let They will let you in,
uh conditioner, like they let Michael in, but they don't
let you all the way in. That's why he's the
only one in that group. And he's got two others
white who sided with him and this lawsuit and this

(10:33):
could shake up NASCAR. This is what this is one of.
This is how they keep us out, Kevin, because you know,
it's kind of like the good old Boys Club, like
like the NFL owners. They have to vote on you
if you want to buy into one of the teams,
and they want to keep it as white as possible.
So if they vote, you know, that's an NBA the
same thing. That's why the folks to our folks, we

(10:55):
just have minority shares, including magic with the commanders. So
it's that's what Michael is suing for. He he wants
full representation.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
NASCAR claims that it has not violated anti trust law
because it says it's done nothing to restrain trade outside
what would be considered normal business practices and that it
provides teams with the ability to have an count economically
viable business model. They cite increases in the charter payouts
with the new charter agreement as a sign that they're

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not being anti competitive. They also say the ability to
run open and therefore not be bound by any exclusivity
clauses something that was changed because of this lawsuit. Allows
car owners to have options, so there could be a
settlement at any time. According to Fox boards before, during,

(11:46):
or after the trial.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, but Michael's going to want access. He wants to
change the rules, So that's gonna have been including because now,
you money's not the option for him. So he's a
good person to suit, that's right. So they Yeah, the're
gonna have to change the rules and let more people
in or have more access so the people can get in.
That's what the lawsuits basically. You know, like I said,
it's a closed boys group and to the exclusion of

(12:12):
everybody else.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Well, I'm gonna keep an eye on this one.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, keep an eye. Because you don't have Michael Jordan money,
you wouldn't be able to do it in the first place.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's true, because I'm still a little confused. Is Michael
Jordan and his crew trying to create their own Nascar?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Is that what this is?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
No, they just just want an equal shot, you know,
the rules to set up that the people who already
in there that set it up to keep minority representation
out or limit as they did with Michael's group. All right,
so he wants to broaden that.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Oh okay, well that's the way it is. For the
first day of December at fourteen past six. We've got
your friend of mine, Sinclair's Skinner standing by.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
You do the introductions, sir, by your time.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Thanks Kevin grand Rising, Brother Sinclair. How you feeling this morning?

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Oh man, anytime I'm with you, big brother, Sir, I
am just blazing. It's all good. I'm really stoked. It's
you know, like like I said, it's the first day
of the last month of twenty twenty five and we're
never gonna see it again. So we're gonna make this
thing count. So feeling great, feeling great, and that's.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
And that's how we should look at every day. I mean,
this may be your last day, you know. I know
people don't think like that, but this this really may
truly be your last day on the planet. And then
you got to think, well, what did I contribute? What?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
You know?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
What was what was my role? What was I supposed
to do? You found your role, Brother Sinclair. You found
out what your assignment was. As Tony Tony Browder says,
we're all giving an assignment. He says, whenever we're our
assignment is complete, that's when we get the call. So
obviously we've gotten more works. We're still here now.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
I got it from France for no, and he said, okay,
this generation out of relative obscurity, let's fulfill his destiny.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Or betray it.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
And when he said it like that, this is when.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I learned back.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
I was in Tuskegee, but I was an undergrad. Like literally,
we all were called like we have a calling, we
have an option of like free will, but we really
don't have an option what us our calling? God brought
us here for a reason, and either we're going to
fulfill that reason or we going to betray it. When
that thing was said like that to me, I was like, WHOA,

(14:32):
I don't want to betray anything to be candidates. So
it's a lifelong pursuit, lifelong learners as all were talking
about too, and lifelong pursuit, let's get it.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
But how did you find out this is what you're
doing right now? This is what you were place on
this planet to do?

Speaker 5 (14:48):
You know? I was talking about like, I don't think
we were put here to suffer, like, you know, being
around people who really aren't your friends. I say, if
somebody's your friend, they're going to act friendly to all.
And we are in situations where we're literally suffering people's
insults suffering people's abuse. So I just think, I know,
whatever God you pray to that can't be like Nod.

(15:10):
And then you know, some of the things I wanted
that didn't happen. I said, there's no prayer that includes
line sheeting or steel. So the things that happened that
that happened to me, I think I realized, you know,
as the actors who say the struggles eternal, I knew
that it was going to be a struggle, but I
knew I wouldn't have to suffer. So being in round people,

(15:32):
in environments where I felt the energy being positive, even
if it was difficult, and being able to discern from
what I want and what my destiny was, you know,
like I said, you know, I think I've said on
the shore. I went bankrupt in two thousand and three
with my dry cleaners, and we had a protest in Tuskegee,

(15:53):
which I got.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Right there, because I think people need to hear this story,
because people think that you just got up one day
and became a success at what you're doing overnight. And
he's a process. And that's what I want to share
with the folks this morning, before we talk about what
you were here somehow the ancestors take over this program,
and they've done that this morning, eighteen minutes away from
the top, they our families. I mention you're gonna step
aside for a few moments. We come back with here more,
friend Sinclair Skinner, how he got to what he's doing

(16:17):
right now. I also tell us about his trip to Africa,
and we'll take your phone calls to if you want
to join us at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six. We'll do that next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for waking up with us on this first day
of December, on Monday morning, twenty one minutes after the
top the out, I guess the see humanitarians. He is
also an activist in Washington, d C's name is Sinclair Skinner.
We're trying to find out what made Sinclair so successful. So,

(16:40):
brother Sinclair, I'm gonna let you finish telling your story.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Well, you know I was talking about how I went
bankrupt in two thousand and three, and you know I
had with the US partnoficis was my last W two
job that I had, and you know I wanted the
you know, the independents to do what I wanted to do.

(17:06):
I ended up graduating a little late because I got
kicked out of school with Tuskie from Howard. And as
soon as I graduated UH within two years, within actually
a year, I bought a house on Georgia Avenue and
it was one of these two zone spots where you
could have a business at the UH as well as

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a residential right across from Howard University between the Euclid
and Fairmounded. Those are familiar with Washington d d C Northwest,
so I wanted to make sure I bought a property.
I had some very I think what helped me with
that was I had friends who were I was in
a circle of friends who were progressive in that way.

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They said, look, we got to buy a house. And
I actually had a fraternity brother who bought a house.
It had all his front all the frat brothers stayed
with him and pay off his mortgage. So I said,
you know what, as soon as I graduated from Howard,
I want to go ahead and buy a house. And
I wanted to buy it in d C because I
didn't want to, you know, I wanted to be like
in the midst of things with our people. And from

(18:08):
there we you know, I got passed. And even even
on the political side, had a good friend of mine
who also got kicked out of school with me. He
was in the Nation of Islam, Nick Eames, and he
ran for city council in Washington, d C. Where Frank
Smith and this guy named uh Jim Brawn were running.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
And we were.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Part of what they called the Emosia Party with a
brother named Rick Malachi, Mary rest in Peace, uh Jendrice Hughes,
Mark Thompson, Masamela Lussa, who's also you know, still active,
and you know, really saw DC as a place where
we could actually have self determination as black people. We
were involved in uh uh mayor uh Uh. Marion Barry

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ran for re election again. He was like his comeback.
So we were like part of that energy of just
like we could do anything we want, let's make it happen,
like I said, running for office as students, we were
actually still students at Howard running for city council and
things like that. We thought that was like amazing that
we could do things like that in the city. And

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with all that energy and positivity, I kept surrounded myself
with people who are progressive like that. We were literally
who had either been through some things they could share
with me, or I could share with them and get
good counseling and kind of vibe. So I think one
of the key things is being around people who are
super serious. Like even in the context of me being
in the fraternity, there's a lot of negroes, a lot

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of folks who aren't good people in these fraternities, but
you still can find your way with those who are
the same thing with HBCUs. HBCUs are amazing. It's about
finding your tribe in that context, and those people, even
when things didn't work out, were very supportive. And then
again I got to the point that I was set
up working on the plantation like Mondays, like I was excited.

(20:00):
I didn't get on your call. There was a time
when I worked on the plantation, worked for Corporate America.
The most depressing time I had was literally Sunday nights.
Sunday evening, I would just start getting really like I
just didn't want to go to work. I didn't want
to deal with these folks. It wasn't I didn't want
to work. I just that whole context of somebody exploiting

(20:21):
my labor, telling me what to do. I had a
problem with the authority. You know, I got kicked out of.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
College, so I had a problem with authority and these
Europeans telling.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Me what to do. And it wasn't our in my
own interests or our community's interests. It was a problem
for me. I even you know, you mean y'all talk
about sports. I actually, there's probably like a psychological word
for I was so depressed about working on the plantation work,
working for the corporate America that I would put my
goals on these sports teams. I used to always root

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for the teams that had the black quarterbacks and the
black coach. I still remember the Vikings. They had a
black coach and a black quarterback and they were doing great,
and I had all my like, you know, my life
was kind of boring at that point, working into the
nine to five jobs, but I was always rooting for
my you know, the black quolts are black, and they
would lose and I'd be so depressed. Now, look, these

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folks didn't know me. I had no money invested, you know,
I wasn't playing on the team, and I realized I
can't be living in life for someone else's super Bowl.
I got to live my own super Bowl. But I
got to be running my own playoffs. So in a
real way, that was a part of this, like that
change where I said enough is enough. And I was

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about to turn thirty, and I said, look, I gave
these Europeans all my twenties. I ain't gonna give them
my thirties. So I left my gig and the house
was already getting renovated. Instead of making my basement into
a residential unit, I said, let me make a dry cleans.
My godmother had lived her life Donnas Sanders, where she

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had worked for other people her whole life, and I said,
you know this would be great. She can help me
with this drag cleaners. I can help her with the
dry cleaners. And she I worked with her and we
had a dry cleaners right across the street from Howard University.
There had been one in that area, but they had
closed down.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
And you know Books T.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Washington always said cast your bucket down where you are,
be useful to your community. So I started the cleaners.
And the tricky part was.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
I was also.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
What you call it, I'm a mechanical engineer, and I
had my what you call it engineering and training, so
I already was a licensed engineering training and I was
eligible to get my PE, my professional engineering license. So
the same time as I was doing that, I was
opening a business. Now I kind of bit off more
than I can chew, meaning that I probably should just

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focused on the license instead of opening the dry cleaners.
But I was pressed to open it before school university opened.
So make a long story short, you know, I ended
up kind of shelving the PE, the professional engineering license
to make sure that right clean works. Now, all my
friends were.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Rooting for me.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Hey, it's great you left the job.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
It's so inspirational.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
And then the haters were like, yo, you went to
college for a degree in engineering, you cleaning dirty clothes?
Like that sounds ridiculous. And when I later found out,
sometimes your haters can be right and your friends could
be wrong. Begin Yes, you know, working for yourself, self determination, all,
that's the right thing, but I picked the wrong thing.

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My life was not meant for me to be, you know,
George Jefferson. I had a picture with Sherman Hensley because
I was also an A and C commissioner at the time,
and Sherman Hensley had came to Lincoln Theater and I
asked if I told him I was doing, and talked
to his agent. I said, look, if I could you know,
pay off some money to use your likeness in his picture,

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and they said of course, and we cut the deal.
Wo woo to woop. And so I literally was like
excised about it from the sense of I could do
something to serve our community at the same time being
business for myself. But it ended up being horrible. Like
one of the things that people don't know or think about.
The Koreans have like a like a cartel. They control

(24:08):
so much of the industry, from the maintenance of the equipment,
from the supplies and things like that, so they don't
support black cleaners like they support each other.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
So even when you.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Have a problem or you're dealing with pricing, the supplies
and things that you get from them are even more expensive.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
So I expanded that.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
I said, well, maybe I just need more locations do
economy scale. So I opened another cleaners in Rockville. I
bumped this Indian guy out where literally I had my
own machines and all my stuff, and I probably was
one of the few black owned businesses at the time
in this place called Rockville, the city outside of DC
in Montgomery County on Rockville Pipe, and I literally was like,

(24:51):
you know, you know, hustling that I got, you know,
accounts with the embassy sweep downtown d c Rockville. Marriott
had the Catholic University. I was cleaning their uniforms. I
then got Howard University. I was cleaning their uniforms and
cleaning their band unifferent forms. Shout out to my guy Wilson,
who's looked out for me. So I literally started like, Okay,

(25:14):
I got these universities, I got the hotels, I got
my stores open. I said, if I just get to
a certain economies of scale where I can literally let
all these outlets work together. The problem was when I
tell and I say this to people about franchise models
and how you can like try to do that. If

(25:36):
you don't get the first store right, it's hard to
get to second, third right. It's not economis and scale.
It's not about you taking three things and the multiplying
it out. What really happens is like bad kids. You
can't get one kid right, the third kid is going
to just make it even crazier. So I even ended
up getting a store open downtown in Judiciary Square, and

(26:00):
government government building with the drag clearer. So I ended
up but about four i say, five dry cleaners. And
it's just just as I was like trying to get
it right. You know, they had the dry clean depots
and the price of drag cleaning went down to like
a dollar ninety nine for everything. It just like took
all the margin out, Like you'd get it right. You

(26:22):
get a dollar ninety nine, you mess up somebody's pants,
you're losing thirty dollars. So it literally was was not
the right business for me to be in. And then
a good friend of mine who we all kind of
grew up in the same spaces as well as Pratt
brother and attended Howard Adrian Fenty ended up running for

(26:43):
We both were at Seek Commissions at the same time,
and he ended up running for city council against Charlene
Drew Jarvis. And Charlotte Drew Jarvis, as some people might
not was Charles Grew's daughter, so you know, the brother
who actually did the whole plasma the incredible you know scientists.
She had been in office for decades and he ran

(27:05):
up against her. Now he wasn't a Mosia party like
we originally were. He was a Democrat, and I think
at that by that time, I think he switched over
to the Democrat. But we actually ran his camp, you know,
helped him run his campaign and he won and no
one thought he would win. So he was in city council.
So we were like, you know, that's a positive thing.

(27:26):
So once I went bankrupt after that, he ran for city.
He decided he wanted to run against the mayor at
the time, who was a guy named Anthony Williams. A
lot of people don't realize Adrian Finty had ran against
this guy, Anthony Williams. And Anthony Williams came out of
a time with DC government where they had a thing
called the Control Board, and a lot of people don't

(27:47):
really remember this. It's kind of coincidental, but the Control
Board was ran by a guy named Andrew Brimmer, and
it was forced upon DC really the USURP again home rule.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
It was really in.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
An affront disrespect to Marion Barry and the people in
general of DC because we were black city. And what
was funny, though not funny, but coincidentally, I guess Andrew
Brimmer had been the chair of the trustees of Tuskegee
university that kicked me out of school. So I knew

(28:22):
Andrew Brember who was actually the person now in charge
of the control board, and I knew his policy.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
You know, he was a.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Black man, actually a capa too. He was not a
good person for our people, and he was being used
as a tool of the ferral system. So that being said,
you know, we were coming in at a time where
we were dealing with you know, Adrian was running against
Anthony Williams, who actually was the person who took over
from Marion Barry, and his job was supposed to clean

(28:52):
up the financial you know issues that DC had.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
You know, it.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
Hadn't kept a budget that was like balanced, It was
always overspending and didn't have enough, had a deficit.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
So they brought in this guy.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Anthony Williams. And I think Anthony Williams was one of
the people who kind of started some of this heavy
gentrification that you see that still plagus DC today. And
one of the things he was involved in, of course,
is the National Stadium, where they used eminent domain to
remove citizens from their land for a privately owned baseball team,

(29:31):
which was very problematic and at the time, like I said,
Adrian was running against him, and then Anthony Williams decided
not to run, and then he ended up running against
the forget the sister. I didn't know we were gonna
be talking about this, but the sister was the chair
of the city council and she was really powerful. And

(29:52):
people thought Adrian, you know, his parents were hippies, you know,
from like the sixties, Like his dad had tattoos, and
you know, he literally came from a space where he
didn't come from a power family, like a big union family,
a big you know, rich family. So people kind of
dismissed them. And what Adrian did and I ran this

(30:13):
field campaign, so we literally ran, ran, ran, and people
didn't think he was going to win. And I think
much of the support was generational. You know, Adrian in
our eyes and our friends that supported him was like,
you know, he represented a new change that our generation
could actually do something to contribute. Up until then, most

(30:35):
many people that called us Generation X, like there was
no like rhyme or reason. And you know, there was
the greatest generation, the Baby Boomers, who did all these
great things, and here's this generation that really had no
you know, we were known for crack cocaine and drugs
and like we weren't known for something that moved our
people for so some of that was a part of

(30:55):
us being supportive of him because he represented you know,
our generations coming of age and that we could do this.
So he was a long shot. No one thought he
could win. We used the same message on his campaign
with door to door that we had used when we
were a moja party and doing the stuff with brother Nick,
and we won the campaign. And people don't even really

(31:19):
talk about it, but you know, I led, you know,
under you know, Adrian Fenty. I led the first campaign
in Washington, d C. Where literally we got all one
hundred and forty two precincts. Before that time, never had
a person running for mayor who was you know, running

(31:41):
not as an incumbent. Had won every precinct one hundred
and forty two I still remember. So that means that
even the people who were running against them, their neighbors
voted for Adrian Fenty. So his concept of running the
office was again changed. Wanted to improved the school schools.
I mean, one of the mantras was, do you want
a world class city? In order to have a world

(32:02):
class city, you gotta have world class schools.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
So right now, hold up thought right there, brother, Saint
Clair family, just waking up your here in the voice
of Saint Clair Skinner. Since you went inside, you know
the inner workings of DC politics on the mayor old side.
Once you when we come back there your assessment of
the current mayor, Miroe Bowser, because some people have criticized
he says she has Jenny fleted to the Trump administration
and she moves too slow and now Jesus says she's

(32:27):
not got to run again. How do you see her legacy?
That's one thing I want to ask you now, who
do you think would be a good person to replace her?
As you mentioned, we weren't going to talk about this,
but this is how he rolls sometime on this program.
It's twenty three minutes away for the top their family.
You want to join in this conversation at any point,
just reach out to us at eight hundred four five
zero seventy eight to seven six and we take a

(32:47):
phone calls after the news. That's next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning,
and also welcome to December. We're in the final month
of the year and I guess there is brother Saint
Clair Skinner. Brother Sinclair is a DC the Activists, is
also a humanitarian. He's got I Love Black People campaign.
We want to talk about that. And he's also going
to the Motherland. I want to talk about his trip's
coming up, but I think it's going to Mauritius, Zim,

(33:11):
Zimbabwe and also South Africa. I'll always talk about that,
but all right now we will talk about the mayor
oal Races. Tell us about how he got involved in
business and what made him such a success after failures family.
That's one of the things that I hope you're taking
notice of. He said he five for bankruptcy, but he
still bounced back. Before we go back to the LEMISTERY
remind you come up later this morning. We speak with
Professor ray winbhisch from Morgan Stea University. Later this week

(33:32):
in here from the Masster teacher himself, Brother ashra Quasi
also Chim and Fred Hampton's going to join us. Doctor
Saby's son Abdul will be here. Also the founder of
the Black Laws for Justice, Brother Malik or a tournament
league Chabaz will also be here. So if you're in Baltimore.
Make sure you keep you readily locked in tight on
ten ten WLB or if you're the DMV around fourteen
fifteen w L. All Right, brother Saint Claires. This background

(33:53):
that you shared with us before we left for the news.
Obviously you know the inner workings city government in Washington, DC,
especially when he comes to the mayor page. Your assessment
of miroal Bows before the break, I said that some
people were sort of disappointed with her. They voted for her,
and they thought she was she was kind of too
soft with Donald Trump with that whole Black Lives Matter bit,
and you know the five for the stadium. But do

(34:14):
you see that did you share the same view that
you know? The legacy? Well, let's put it this way.
What do you think her legacy will be other than
building the new stadium?

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Well, I'll tell you what you know. I've known her
quite some time. When I told you we won all
one hundred and forty two precincts, and I was the
ad in fenty's field director, and it was, like I said,
Unpresident right, each of the wards we had a coordinator
and my coordinator in Ward four was a young A

(34:46):
and C commissioner and I bring up it's called advisory
neighborhood commissioners, an unpaid service job that's elected that you
represent two thousand people at least in the area, and
you're responsible helping with the track and the things, the alleys,
and even permits for people who were trying to do
events and even alcohol licenses.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
All this.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
My reward for coordinator was this young sister named Mariel
Bowser and Miry Bowser at the time was working for
the government I think in Montgomery County and she was
am C commissioner. I actually met her for the first
time at a candle like vigil at a height at
a primary school and I think someone had got hit

(35:33):
by a car or someone was farmed, and I first
met her because I still remember, you know how you
do a candlelit vigil and a wax is hot and
get on your hand, so I remember that. But anyway,
so I've known her for you know, a long period
of her from A and C serving our people for free.
Her father was one of the first A and C
commissioners in Washington, d C. Maybe rest in peace. I

(35:55):
think he passed away last year. So she came from
that working collect service oriented approach. So she was someone who,
you know, with her degree again took a job in
government to help and serve. So she also then ran
for ANC in addition to front with her day job
where she did that as substan as a service. So

(36:18):
that just this I wanted to say that just to
give you a context where she come from, born and
raised in Washington, DC. So then she went from that
and then when Adrian Finthy left became mayor, she ran
for city council for his position, and she won, and
she won again. And her you know, her approach was
more like a no nonsense, you know, there's like I know,

(36:40):
people know about it, like the Alderman James types who
good times were they always slapping people on the back.
She was more of a you know, let's get this,
let's make this government work, let's get things done. And
she was just like that. We were running a campaign.
She was just like that with the city council. And
then as you've seen, she's went on to run for

(37:02):
mayor and she's won three times. No other woman, black, white,
or other anywhere in the country as one as mayor
three times of a major city. She our mayor is
the only one who's ever done that in the history
of the United States. So when you start talking about her,

(37:24):
I tell people, don't add nothing, but don't take anything away.
And I think her legacy is one that's really incredible
in spite of some really tragic, horrible things. She was
mayor during COVID, Like whatever you think about politicians of
people who are serving, you know, no one expected a

(37:46):
pandemic to hit the country.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
She was the person.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Who was making sure with all these changes that DC
government stayed open. And unlike other places, DC staying open
is the capital of the in the United States. So
it's not just like I can, I says Daddy, or
people little Mississippi. But this is this like London, Paris, Nairobi, Harari,

(38:10):
Johanna's Victoria. So you're literally talking about She's not just
someone who's dealing with the day to day problem. She's
in the context of DC. She's operating the capitol, so
she's on front street on every issue that she might
include in the COVID situation. And again, this is somebody
born and raised in DC from a modest, working class

(38:34):
family activist base.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
You know, never.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Touting her own horn. You never see her trying to
promote herself. She just was had her head down doing
the work of the people. And that's just her mentality.
So when I hear people talking about, you know, who
she is, much of who she is, unfortunately, might be
coming from the people that she she defeated. Like she's
never lost an election. But what I do know about politics,

(39:00):
every time she ran, she ran contested a racist. Let
me say another way, she had other people running against her.
So whatever you think about her, thank God for democracy,
right because that because in DC, the majority of the
people voted for her. So she didn't get there because
someone gave her, gave her something. She had to competitively
compete in the field of ideas and abilities with other people,

(39:25):
and she defeated all of them because of the people.
So if you don't like Miro, you cannot like her
as a person. I think that's you know, fair. But
she's not mayor because it's Muriel. She's mayor because the
people voted her in not just one time, but three times,
and if you count the other races, multiple times. She's

(39:47):
been deemed as a person who's not only qualified, but
more qualified than other people who profess.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
To be better.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
So when I hear some of the negativity, and I notice,
you know, again, I don't care who politician you like,
there's gonna always be people who don't like him. And
oftentimes that may not be based on what the actual
rhetoric they're using. Some people just want to be mayor too.
Some people just don't like this policy or that policy.
But the truth is in a democracy is that the

(40:17):
person who literally got the votes. And I'm not just
saying one time, but repeatedly with somebody who that particular
group of people said was the best person for us.
So again, when we talk about Mara Bioles and her ability,
it's not just mirror as an individual. It's just like
with other mayors of Washington DC. Adrian Fifthy lost his reelection.

(40:40):
The people said they didn't want him to be the mayor. Again,
I've lived that, I know what it means to lose.
I'm clear that the people can change their mind. But literally,
Muriel is one three times. So whatever she's been doing
has satisfied her constituents, and that's who she works for.

(41:00):
She doesn't worked for a Washington Post, she doesn't work
for CNN or Rock Fox News. She works for the
people of Washington, DC and everything she'd done for that
long record. Now, even though she's still young, she got
involved early, so she has a record that people can
look at and not just to talk about. And she

(41:22):
has a record not because I say so, but because
of the Constitution. DC has some of the most brilliant,
amazing black electric in the world. The DC pounds for pounds,
This area has one of the best and brightest, amazing people.
These are the people who voted her in. They're not flueless,
they understand politics, they understand what their needs are, and

(41:46):
they voted her in. So that doesn't mean that she
voted in and everybody likes everything they do. I don't
know a politician or a job, a manager, or a company,
or even a family or the leadership of the family
company or politics where you agree with everything they do.
That's just probably not rational to think that. But what

(42:08):
she's done is probably make DC in spite of all
the issues, like I just said, COVID, dealing with Donald Trump,
not just one time, two times, dealing with the insurrection
of these kuckoo birds who took over the Capitol, dealing
with Congress taking billions of dollars out of her out
of the budget just because they can't. She has no sovereignty.

(42:32):
It's not like Chicago where they got a county book,
county and Illinois as other means of governance to protect
the citizens. All we got is Mariel and she's the governess,
she's she's the council, she's the county commissioner, and she's

(42:56):
the mayor, all wrapped in one. That's a lot of
responts ability. Yet we have no representation of vote in Congress.
So when the people send ice, when the when the
president prom of the most wickedest president that we've had,
and now we got Donald Trump two point oh, so

(43:18):
Donald Trump one point oh. Muriel Bowser literally not only
dealt with COVID and to simultaneously she was dealing with
the murder of George Floyd. She was the mayor that
literally put the Black Lives Matter plaza on a map
on the country by putting it directly in front of

(43:39):
the White House, not some random street in some random city.
She with she was with Don Lewis, I still remember,
you know, good trouble. She literally put that on the
street right in front of Donald Trump in support of
George Floyd, right.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
And I left though. Right there, I brother sat because
that's that's one of the critiques. I hear people say
that she crumbled, she so fast that she caved in
too Donald Trump when he told it to rake it
up or they were going to pull it up. Your response, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
But that's that's not factually correct. Black Lives Matter was
put on the street as a tribute and support of
George Floyd. She left it there for years, So it's
not like Donald Trump didn't like it when she put

(44:32):
it down. Donald Trump didn't like it when she put
it in the first place. It literally stayed there through
the rest of his term, through Biden's term, and then
you had Donald Trump returned. Now, I don't know if
anybody lived through the first half of twenty twenty five,
but twenty twenty five did not start off as a

(44:54):
normal year. These people were crazy. They had the Doge
thing going, There was a lot of things happening, and
again they took a billion dollars out of her budget. Now,
not only were they firing people in DC and the
surrounding areas through the federal So literally DC's money comes

(45:16):
from what these government you know, uh workers, as well
as the the all the things that come with it
with the contractors. Literally, Donald Trump was cutting everything, so
the economic tax base was being attacked. Money that was
bonifiably DC taxpayer money was literally being cut. They treated

(45:38):
DC like it was a federal agency like the Department
of Transportation or something, and cut took sole Let's just
call it what it is.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
It wasn't their money.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
So it's stealing. So she's dealing with all these issues
and now she's trying to get Congress to support her
inspite of the craziest person in the world.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
And now right I thought, right there, brother, we got
to get caught up in the traffic and weather. We
come back. Now she's signed, she's not gonna run. So
she's basically as a lame duck. Do you think she's
a style will change? Should be more aggressive now when
it comes to Delliu and Donald Trump from here on out,
you know, building on her legacy. I want to get
to your thoughts on that, and also tell us who

(46:18):
do you see on the horizon, someone who can is
equal to the task that you could replace mural Bowser
and also perform admiraly that you think the Washingtonians would
agree on. I'll let you answer those questions when we
get back. I know it's a lot to put it
on your plate. Brother Seec Cleve, I know you can
handle it as well. It's three minutes away from the
top they our families. I mentioned you two can get
in on our conversation with brother Sint Clair Skinner. Reach

(46:40):
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.
After the trafficking weather, that's together and it's an next
grand rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us,
and so thanks for starting the month of December. Yes,
December first, it's too many. So after the top there
I guess his brother Saint Clair Skinner, who works out
of Washington, DC. It's a humanitarian and activists. We're discussing,

(47:01):
you know, his support for Muriel Bowser, the mayor of
those who are loosening around the country, the d c's mayage.
She's not running for re election and this brother Saint
Cleary uh supported her and he supports what she's done.
And we're discussing her legacy, what's and and the question
I'm posted red before we left for the trafficking Whaler
was who does he see out there right now on
the political landscape in Washington, d C. Who could replace me?

(47:22):
Robao that he thinks Washingtonians would, would you know, have
come to some sort of consensus over So, brother Saint Clare,
I'll let you have to respond to those questions after
you finish your thought.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
You know.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
I think, like I said, we weren't going to speak
on this as well as the topic. But I think
if I was thinking of anybody while we were on
the break, I was thinking, I would think, as you
brought a native Washingtonian excuse me, that I think would
be a good candidate. Again, there's a lot of people running,
but those I think who served already would be a

(47:59):
Kenya McDuffie. He's definitely been. He's an independent. He's not
a Democrat right now or Republican right now. He's literally
an independent. So he's been. He's prior to that, he
was a Democrat, but he literally stood up as independent.
So I think he's one of those folks who's not
bossed by a party. So I think he's good. And

(48:19):
I think because of his support of black businesses, his
stance on gentrification, I think he's somebody who would be
a good candidate. But again, you know, we'll see how
all these things play out. And you know, I have
a tendency to be you know, I support him a
Donnie in New York. So I'm I'm kind of one

(48:39):
of those folks who, again, my politics are based on
who I think would be best for you know, our community.
So I would He's a council member currently, so he
has name recognition, I think, but I would do Kenny mcduffiey.
I think he'd be amazing.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Okay, that's fair. I'm glad you're right. This is not
what we were to talk that we actually wanted to
talk about a couple of other things. You know, you're
about to go to the continent and make the stops
in Mauritius or Zimbabwe and also South Africa. Purpose of
your trip. Can you share that with us this morning?

Speaker 7 (49:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Absolutely so as you you know, you've known and appreciate
your support. We've been doing the Black Blockchain Summit now
several years and there's an African Bigcoin conference that's going
on and Mauritius, so I'm going to make sure we
attend and let them know what their brothers and sisters
are doing. Uh, in the States and get more of

(49:37):
our brothers and systems on the continent to participate in
what we're doing and do basically you know, technology exchange
and again just the Pan African unity. As a Pan Africanist,
I think it's important that we.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
Do these things.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
And I actually say this to people. Have friends who
asked me about traveling to Africa or how to go abroad,
and I tell people, you know, I'm pro black. I'm
on the black guys like first, in the middle, end
the last. But what I also like is meeting our
brothers and sisters and other places with common interests. And

(50:12):
because I'm an engineer, because I'm a technologist, meeting brothers
and sisters on the continent who are traveling from all
over to a meeting where we all have a common
interest in addition to being black, I think it's amazing.
So if you're a plumber and there's a plumber's conference
in Johannesburg, I think it's the best time to go
to Africa. Is not as a tourist. Like again France

(50:34):
Manonan said, you meet an African in Europe, they're either
a tourist, a slave or a trader. If they're a
tourists in them back home, if they're a slave, freedom
and if they're a trader, you know what we do
with those so to me when we're traveling and again,
you know, people identify themselves as all these acronyms now

(50:56):
and I think it's fine however people identify. But I
think when we're with our community in the diaspora, it's
great to meet folks who you know, somebody is a
journalist conference, you know, you're a journalist. You know, going
to something on the continent and meeting your peers who
are doing the work that you're doing in the States
is a great way to meet people. So I'm doing

(51:18):
that and then we're having our launch. We've now doing
our official launch of the app. You know, we've had
a network for the I Love Black People And on
December thirteenth, we're having an event in Zimbabwe and Harari
at our office there. We have office in what we
call the hi c C. It's the Rari International Conference Center.

(51:42):
We have an office and we're going to launch our
new app so that people can you know, download that
and talk about it. And we're actually recruiting ambassadors in
the States. So if people is on LinkedIn right now.
People want to be I Love Black People Ambassadors to
help us identify and validate Pan African Black friendly spaces globally.

(52:06):
You know, please, You know, we got a stipmen. We
pay monthly, so it's not a volunteer position. It's a
real position. And we want brothers and sisters to do
what they do informally, like we already when someone comes
to DC, hey it's a good place to go for this,
or if you get sick, Hey, this is my doctor,
you should go there, or this is my dentist. Well
this is the same thing, but now we're digitizing it

(52:28):
under the same offices of the original Green Books. And again,
it doesn't have to be black honed. They just have
to be people who respect and treat us with dignity
and respect and that you can vouch for, just like
you would do with your family and friends. And I
tell people, you know, I'm went to Tuskegee and Howard,
you know, a member of these organizations. I have access

(52:49):
to people, but not everyone does. But that doesn't mean
they don't deserve to be treated with the dignity respect
that we all deserve. So you could be in Thailand
or you could be in Denmark. I just recently was
in Portugal. You know, you get sick overseas and Lisbon.
You know, it may not be a black doctor, but
there might be a doctor that the black people in

(53:09):
that community go to and it could be a Mongolian
woman doctor and Lizabeth, you know, to be able to
be a part of a community. Globally, that's focused just
on making sure that we're safe. There's never been a
global safety net for people of the asking a diaspora,
and we represent one point five billion people that's the
size of China, so we deserve that. So we're not waiting.

(53:31):
Just like Victor Green didn't wait with the Green Book
for churches, or for the government or for someone else.
This is the same thing we're doing. We're leveraging the
brains are the most brilliant, beautiful Black people on the planet.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Ambassadors.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
If you have as a part time job's remote, you
don't have to come to an office. What we need
you to do is be able to use the app
to recruit and validate these black owned businesses, I mean
these black friendly businesses, so that we can make sure
that we have a global set in a safety net
for the first time in the history of planet. So
that's a big thing that we're doing in Zimbabwe. We

(54:09):
also have a global green Book that would come out
every year. We'll be finishing that up this this with
the team.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
You know, I have a team that's in Nairobi, in
South Africa, in Harari and in Kei Galliwanda. So I
use this time at the end of the year to
kind of bring our team together finish up on our projects.
We've done quite a bit this year. I'm very proud
of a team and that's how I finish out the
year and then I'll be back and you know with

(54:39):
my wife and family and having a great uh festive season.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
Have require it early, all right.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
You know interesting that you announced this today because you
know this is a signed by Monday. And I'm sure
we've seen the news reports of people telling us we
should we should be selective in purchases from here on
now till the end of the year, and we should
look for black for black businesses to buy stuff. Can
they use it right now? Is I love black people?

(55:06):
Is it's set up now that folks who are looking
to buy or use black companies? Can they do that?
If they if they you know, someone, some people are
not really divorced yet from uh how do you call
it white society? Yet I still think themselves as white
addicted to white, as a doctor Fox teaches us, you know,
And so they still get into the Christmas thing. Can

(55:27):
they get gifts and stuff like that from your site?

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Well no, So, so the app is up and we're
you know, finishing out our beta stage for our official
launch and the app is definitely praise.

Speaker 6 (55:41):
God him the law.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
But our app, just like the original green Book, is
only focused on physical location. So remember you know the
original green Book, not remember I know you know, But
just to remind audience, the original green Book had nothing
to do with the black dollar. I had nothing to
do with white folks, ice folder or not. It had
something to do with we don't want you to be

(56:04):
killed to death tonight. We don't want you to be
in the sundowntown where they're lynching us and harming us,
legally harming us. So our app is literally about safety,
not the economy per se. The context is that and
this is the same context. It's not me, this is
still victim Green So we're just leveraging the brains of
our ancestors, but literally the fact that the business owner

(56:27):
can control the environment of their business, meaning the store
or the hotel or the doctor's office. Our focus is
on brick and mortar spaces. So the good news on
the economic side, brick and mortar black owned businesses definitely helped.
That's not to say online black businesses don't need help,

(56:47):
but brick and mortar businesses. And this is me as
the person who in bankrupt with a dry plans. It's
hard as hell open the store. Shout out to all
the brothers and sisters that are opening up the store
today where they got us start the month off like
this was the hardest. This is the first of the month,
so you literally got to make sure you're making payroll
by Friday, pay the rent or the on your spot,

(57:12):
get new supplies like the clock stots all back.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
Over right now.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
So our focus is on those brick and mortar spaces
that are that can create a safe, respectable environment for
our people where they won't be harms And we're bringing
that all together in the global network through our relationship
with our members who are the ones and ambassadors who
are recommending these spaces. So it's a physical space can

(57:36):
people use it right now? The answers Yes, I should
have probably said that at the beginning. Yes, you can
use the app right now. I love black People dot Com.
You can check out check it out there, or you
go to Apple Store, or you can go to Google
play Store and I love Black People Safe Places downloads free.
But we always ask everybody for their details because you

(57:59):
have to register the app, because you've got.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
To know who you are.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
You can't just get on the app and start doing anything.
So you know, it's restrictive because we want to make
sure that we have the people who who they are.
You got to give your phone number all these things,
and it's not a valid phone number, you're not going
to be able to join.

Speaker 8 (58:18):
In the app.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
You know, I'm glad you met at fourteen half of
the top of our family. Just checking it out. Brother
Saint Clair skinners with us this morning. We're talking about business,
We're talking about all bunch of stuff. But yeah, you too,
in the time you feel that you want to fit
in on this conversation. Just jumping at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I was going
to say, you know, I'm glad that you mentioned about
the business. You know, some people, people who have not

(58:40):
had a business, run a business, started a business, don't
understand the complexities from the business. As you mentioned, this
is not this wouldn't be their most opportune time to
start open up a business, this time at the start
of the year or this, you know, because nobody's really thinking, well,
most people are not thinking about perching and doing stuff.
They're all into the holidays. So this time of the

(59:01):
year wouldn't be a great time to open a business,
wouldn't you say so as well?

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Well, I think it's about opportunity.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
I think eye open businesses.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
I say, when everyone's zigging you zag, I think there's
an opportunity and everything. And so you and you're talking
to an entrepreneur, you know, a lifelong spirit entrepreneur. So
asking me when it is not a good time. Look,
I've failed a lot and I won a little bit.
And I think, you know, going back to what we

(59:31):
started off with, you have a calling. And when you
have a calling, you know, don't let the season or
the time of the day, you know, change that. Like
I tell people, try to get many shots on goal
because one of them.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Going to go in.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
But you try to always wait just to get the
right shot. You know, life goes by, so you know
you're asking me, and I'm someone who's loved and lost.
But it's better to love and lost than never love
it all. I think it's better to try to do
something amazing that you know consumes your passions and that
you're just devoted to and lose, then to be one

(01:00:07):
of these folks that sit around talking about other people
like miraboos or anybody else. Like I'm not that guy.
Like you know, I'm not a gossiper like you know,
I don't. We need to be about the business of
our lives, or about our lives. I shouldn't call it business.
Are probably more of a socialist, but literally, we need
to be about our you know, our purpose every day
when we wake up in the morning, we should try

(01:00:30):
to do everything to fulfill that purpose. I don't care
what day it is, or what month it is, or
what year, or who's who's in office, who's president, who's
the mayor, none of that does None of that determine
what I was gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Do with my life.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Praise got him to do a lot. We got to
wake up and know that what we have inside is
so amazing. We need to get it out. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Yeah, well, hold the thought of that, because we come
up on a prain. But how do you find what
your purpose is? How did you find what your purpose is?
You mentioned that you you did a lot of things
and you failed east and you got up. That's the
most important thing you feel. Don't don't stay down. You
got up. You tried something else. Maybe it didn't work out,
but she still kept trying. He kept trying. You know,
people don't have a lot of people don't feel they
have that in them. You know, once they fail, say okay,

(01:01:12):
I'm done throwing my chips and I'll go away and.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Like it, like what you just said about what year
or what time of the year, like when you really
enjoy it, like like me, the only thing I don't
like is being away from my wife on a trip.
But literally I love the work, like it's really enjoyable
and I can.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
See the results. Now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
The problem is I'm definitely not patient and I hate waiting.
So I still have to deal with that spirit in
me that has just got a sense of urgency, that's
like a fire burning in my stomach. But with that
being said, I literally enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
I still remember, all right, hold up right that because
we got to step aside. I'll let you finish that
fought when you get back. But also tell us what
you do with the naysayers, brother saying clear, because people
out there probably have the same passion for doing something,
but they've got maybe their mom, their wife, or their
brother or the friends that they think of as ah man,
that's not going to work. That's give all the different

(01:02:08):
reasons why they're going to fail. So when and I'm
sure you've met those folks, So how did you handle that?
And I'll let you explain to that when we get back.
Family YouTube can join us on this discussion with brother
sin Claiir Skinner. Just hit us up at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six er and take
your phone calls next and grand Rising family twenty one
minutes off the top of they are welcome to December.

(01:02:28):
It's the first of December on this Monday morning. I
guess his brother, Saint Clair Skinner brother Sinclea is a
business person, entrepreneur. He's got businesses across the planet. And
my question to him, though, because everything comes with the
thought process when you're starting to do anything that you
do starts in your mind before you even that's where
it's conceived, and then you've got you've got to work

(01:02:49):
your plan. But sometimes along the way you suggest your
plan to maybe your significant other or a friend or
somebody who you thought was also in the business, and
they dowed it down. So, Brother Sinclaire, I wonder if
that has happened to you. If so, how did you
handle it? Because I'm sure there's people right now thinking
about I want to do this and I want to
do that, and the plan they had got turned down

(01:03:12):
by you know, people they respect. First of all, nobody
can insult you unless you got to respect that person
first for them to insult you, because if you don't
respect them, the insult doesn't work. But put that, let's
put that to the side. But Brother Sinclair, how did
you deal if you had that those issues to deal
with when you're starting your businesses?

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
Well, you know, my grandfather shared something with my father,
and it wasn't the totality of this poem was a poem,
and I learned about it actually pledging a fraternity, but
it was something I had first heard of from my
father and did give credit to a guy named Roger
Rupert Kipperling, who probably wasn't actual offer, because I've studied

(01:03:52):
him he didn't see that bright. But this, this poem
kind of kind of capsulated what is real short, but
it's that. It's called if, and it says, if you
can keep your head when all about you or losing
theirs and blaming it on you. If you can trust
yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for

(01:04:12):
their doubting too. If you can wait and not be
tired by waiting or being lied about, and don't deal
in lies or being hated, and don't give way to hating,
and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise.
If you can dream and not make dreams your master.
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim.

(01:04:36):
If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat
those two impostors just the same. If you can bear
to hear the truth that you've spoken, twist it by
knaves to make traps for fools, or watch the things
that you gave your life to broken and stoop and
build them up with worn out fools. If you can

(01:04:59):
make one heap of all your winnings and risk it
on one turn of pitch and toss and lose, and
start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word
about your loss. If you can force your heart nervous
in you to serve you your turn long after they
are gone. And so hold on when there's nothing in

(01:05:21):
you except the will which says to them, hold on
if you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
or walk with kings, nor lose the common touch. If
neither foes, and this is key to your question, This
is very key. It says, if neither foes nor loving
friends can hurt you, let me say it on the time.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
He says, if.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
Neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, if all
men count with you, but none too much, If you
can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance,
run yours is the earth, that everything that is in it,
and which is more, you'll be a man, my son.

(01:06:04):
So this poem kind of does that duality of things
where you have to do a balance. And yes, fools
will try to hurt you. And as I told you,
my phones were actually right about the drag clean business
with my friends that were kind of wrong. I would
just say that just because people love you doesn't mean

(01:06:25):
you have to let them hurt you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
And be careful with that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
Like again, my father, who I love. My dad's amazing
was it is amazing, you know. He said, look, you
went through all these years to go to college and
you want to do a drag clean He actually was right,
he's right, but he turned around and starts supporting me
with my cleaners because he loved me. So I would
say that you're going to have people doubt you, but

(01:06:50):
don't let that doubting and all the butscillites take and
listen though I don't think it's about you know, covering
your ears, you know, don't just don't let that determine
the outcome. Weigh those things I tell people in any
decision you make, there's going to be pros and con
If anybody tells you it's all good and stuff, I've
not seen that. There's always a consequence, there's always something else.

(01:07:12):
So I just think again, But I said it, And
I used to talk about this thing, where is it
the head?

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Books?

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
You watch this thing wanted to train the head to
hearten the hands, And I used to think the head
was more powerful than any other part of the body,
the brain, but it's really your heart.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
The heart is the most powerful.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
And I again, I rather have loved and lost than
never to have loved at all. It's not my intellect.
It's been the passions that made this life worth living.
If I don't make it past today, this thing's been
a stone cold blased And I'm telling you it was
because of the passion. It wasn't some intellectual capitalists or equation.

(01:07:52):
It was living a life worth living. Like literally, and again,
I still cry about some of my losses. I do
I should let go, and I do regret things. It
was all about regrets. I do have regrets. There's people
I've heard, there's things I've done that if I had
the chance to do again, I change it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
This is truth.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
I can't make it up and say, oh no, you know,
my self esteem is high enough to fall and get
back up. And I think that is another thing self esteem.
Self esteem is not saying that you're not going to
make a mistake. You know, people have big egos and
they fall down, they normally have small self esteem because
they blame everybody else. When you have a healthy self esteem,

(01:08:31):
you know that life is going to sometime put you
on your butt. It's so great, Yeah, because you're going
to get up. If you have a big ego, you're
not going to even give yourself the opportunity to improve
yourself because you're going to blame everybody else. But all
the things I just told you about, the bankruptcies, the
losing elections, and getting kicked out of school, I learned

(01:08:53):
from those things. Now again, if I had to change
in my would, but I learned from them. So I
gained in that way, And so don't be afraid to gain.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
You can learn from a coach, or you can learn
from your mistakes. Try to learn from both and get
a good coach.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Well, let me s you, I said twenty eight after
tough though, when did you learn? Did you learn after
or when you were going through the process were you
were you figuring that out going through the procession?

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
No, after some even long long time after, like sometimes
is so close and so near you that it's hard
to contextualize it. So as time you know, there's another
and I'm not going to read it. But he didn't
write it. But Frank Sinatra when he talks about his song,
I did it my way and in that song he

(01:09:43):
talks about how there's things that made you cry once
upon a time, and now you look back and you
kind of laugh, And I think that's a part of it. Like,
you know, I used to not be able to even
talk about my bankruptcy. I was ashamed, like literally very
hurt inside that I failed and I failed so many people,

(01:10:04):
and that, you know, this is very It was very hurt.
I don't even tell my parents, but what I as
time went on and I realized, you know, one of
the things that helped, and this is after Adrian lost
Adrian fifty lost his mayor's race, he went out to
Silicon Valley and I went out there with them. And
I went out there, and these folks in Silicon Valley,

(01:10:25):
they've been bankrupt like ten times. They would tell you
about all their businesses, and they actually saw bankruptcy as
a badge of honor because it means that you took
on a challenge that was greater than yourself and survived.
And they would talk about bankruptcy like that was a
part of the process. Like they didn't trust people who

(01:10:46):
hadn't failed, Like when they hear people, oh, I've never failed,
everything worked, They say, either their liars or they never
done anything great or amazing, Because if you do something
that's great or never been done before, there's a high
degree chance that you're going to fail at at least
the first time. And failure is literally a part of
the success process. It's okay. Not only is it okay

(01:11:09):
if you're doing something that no one's ever done before,
there's a great degree that there's going to be failure involved.
But as you said, get back up and not just
get back up and blame the world. Get back up
and analyze what happened, and those are the things that,
you know, start healing from the bankruptcy was like realizing

(01:11:30):
that there's a space of businesses where winning and losing
was not how they determine your success.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
It really was.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
And again I'm not saying Silicon Valley steel racism is
all the things you think it is, but literally their
constant of business was It's a different type of thing.
These people are trying to think of things that would
change the world. They're not just trying to change their address,
so just change their wardrobe. You're trying to change the world.
There's a great you know, our ancests that fought the
revolutions in Africa in the United States are resistance. They

(01:12:03):
had ideas and many of them failed. They killed our ancestors,
they literally they did.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Well, let me jump in and ask you this question, though,
brother Sinclair, let me ask you this question in twenty
nine minutes away from the top of our family sinclass skinners,
I guess he's just a successful business person following the bankruptcy.
How long did it take for you to reassess, regroup
and get back up and write again. How long did
he take?

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
It took four years? Four years? It took four years.
I yeah, it took so two thousand and three, by
two thousand and seven, By two thousand and seven, I
got back up. The first people I paid with my
friends and family. I had girlfriends I had dated that
had loaned me money. I paid them back. I paid

(01:12:48):
back my friends, and then I paid back my creditors.
And then I got on one of those programs where
they help you with your credit card score and you know,
and it actually worked, and I got myself back up.
And then the first thing I bought was a house,
and then I bought a car everything else. Let me

(01:13:09):
just say, though, I was blessed like again, my biggest
thing that was a difference maker for me wasn't money,
Like because again I was bank brother, I had no money.
I had some of the best friends and family in
the world though, That's what I'm saying. Like literally, even
my bankruptcy, even when I was dead broke as an adult,

(01:13:30):
I wasn't raised broke. My daddy came home every night
and we always ate watched the news. But literally, as
an adult being broke, I had friends that valued me.

Speaker 8 (01:13:40):
To me, that was me.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
And I tell you, and I'll say this out loud,
like that these relationships are everything I would not be
where I am today. Well then you know I'm a
member Union Temple Baptist Church. You know Reverend Willie Wilson,
Mary Wilson. You know, these were folks who were very
supportive of me when I got came to DC and
support I come from a family of people that may

(01:14:04):
not be blood cans, but have really been there for
me and been great examples. So it's definitely not me.
God is good, you know, give all glory to God.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
It's not me.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
But I would say God provided relationships with people who
valued me as a person, not because of money, and
I would even say with business. You know, I've done
better with people that I had a relationship that was
based on a real love and respect than people who
were transactional. I've been people have beat me for hundreds

(01:14:38):
of thousands of dollars now that I met just through
business because they didn't value my humanity. Now that doesn't
say I had had people that I beating out of
money too, but I will say that I'd rather lost
with people that I deeply cared about than went with
people who every day I got to look over my
shoulder with. And I've lost, I had things taken from me.

(01:15:01):
But literally, I've been with some of the livest, awesomest people.
So it becomes like, again, now it's the chapters in
this book and the fact that they didn't kill me
in the movie. You know what I'm saying. You know,
there was the black guy gets killed, but look, you know,
and I tell black people listen, a lot of these
movies start off as romance as comedies, but many of

(01:15:21):
our movies end up as a horror movie, especially when
you're trying to be ultra successful in a white supervist paradigm.
But I literally say that, you know, I've met some
of the best people on this journey. So the destination,
I guess is important, but I don't think it is
as important as the journey. Like I'm about to go
to Africa, I don't just I have people in Africa

(01:15:44):
that have been very supportive of me. I've been beaten Africa.
There's people who taken advantage of me my romantic view
of Pan Afganism. And it's been people who've been go
hards that have given their lives to make my dreams
to come true. Let me say another way, I have
people that have woken and every day and you go
to to every night helping me with my dreams. So

(01:16:07):
I have nothing but respect for all of this. This
has been a stone cold blast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I haven't heard that in a while. But listen, taking
yourself brother Saint Claire. But I think of it, Shanna,
you know you need to put this in a book.
I mean the people youngsters out there, younger people or
even the adults who are probably seeing the same thing,
maybe not doing what you're doing on the same field,
but want to get into business, and they've had some
setbacks or some hurdles that they think they can't get over.

(01:16:35):
And they just, oh, they that's probably wasn't meant for me.
You know, let me read the horoscope today and see
what he's telling me to do. Oh, the horoscope tells me,
Now I was supposed to do this, So I'm gonna
go with the horoscope instead of going with their heart,
which is what you did and that fire within you
that made you successful. So I'd love for you to

(01:16:56):
write a book, man, and just share your experiences, because
I'm just listening here. This is just for our young people,
especially young people coming up, because there's gonna be a
lot of doors in miss Slam denial faces and you
still got to keep on going.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I think you know, this is
something I struggled.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
It's a lot, it's a fire hydrant, you know. And
I didn't bring this up. We just got an IRS
designation for a new i've never had one, a nonprofit
called Greenwood Labs, where we're taking a lot of the
work we're doing and Greenwood. People think of Tulsa, but
the first Greenwood actually took place in Tuskegee with Booker

(01:17:39):
t Washed and literally that was what Tulsa was modeled
after that. Greenwood Mississippi, which was like a swamp plantation
at Greenwood And I just purchased two houses in Tuskegee
in the area that was that original space on Bibb Street.
And we're working with the university, got like one of
the coaches from the sports team, Like we're trying to

(01:18:01):
do things a vet school student, try to create a
space where it's safe for our people and nurturing and
give back to the university. So it's not just value
even going to Africa, it's everywhere our people are. You
know what I'm saying. No, I don't care where we
are on plan. You know, I told you I just
got back from China and we're working on. One of

(01:18:22):
the projects we're working on in Africa is solar. Right now,
there's still a lot of what they call load shedding,
where it shut down the electric grid and people know
they're going to have no power. Actually leveraging what's going
on in China to help with the batteries, inverters and
the solar panels. So I think there's something for everyone

(01:18:45):
to do. Like I think everybody has their own skills.
You know, some people are good at numbers, some people
may be good it's speaking. Some people may be good
at engineer and hold.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Right there, Brother to check the news, traffic and win
at different cities again, and when we come back, Monte
wants to join the conversation. He's online too. We'll get
to him as well, and you two can do the same. Family,
just reach out to us at eight hundred and four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and you'll speak
to Sinclair Skinner right after the traffic, news and weather.
That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your
week with us. It's also starting the month of December first,

(01:19:19):
fifteen minutes away from the top of our guess, Brother
Sinclair Skinner. Brother Sinclair, he's a humanitarian actress in Washington, DC.
Is based in Washington, DC, and he travels the world
as well. It's a successful business man's sharing his story
and hopefully that story is going to impressed on some
other young folks who are listening today, or people want
to get into business and do it for themselves. Before
we go back to the got A alf Rock, condolences

(01:19:41):
of the family of Judy Cheeks. Judy was on this
program in June. She's a backup singer. She was a
Stevie's backup singer in Europe and session singer, and when
they were in the recording at London and she was
sharing with us with the life of a background, saying
I don't know if Kevin remembers her. But Judy passed
away right before Thanksgiving and a family said they hold
it back to the news too. They didn't want to

(01:20:02):
spoil everybody's holiday, so they just announced it. But Judy
cheek so it's a great soul. So we our condolences
once again to her family. Coming up later this morning,
we're gonna speak with the Professor Ray Wimbers from Morgan
State University. And later this week you're going to hear
from the founder of the Black Laws for Justice, Attorney
Malik Shabbaz so So doctor sab his son Abdul will
be here. Chairman Fred Hampton will check in and also

(01:20:23):
the Master Teacher astro Quasi will join us as well.
So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep
you readily locked in tight on ten ten WLB or
if you're in the DMV around fourteen fifteen WOL or
information is power. I mentioned before we left for the
news up there, brother Saint Clive at Monte It once
to join The Conversation's online too. He says he's gone
from the Pentagon City war Room, Grand Rising, Monte you're

(01:20:45):
my brother, Saint Clair Skinner.

Speaker 9 (01:20:47):
Graham Rise, Grand Rash. First I wanted to call because
you touched me this morning. Well, you was talking about
your failures and uh, because first I kept and I
know what's going on, but what you said made a
lot of sense. You know, you have to fail to succeed,
and if no one never done it before or haven't

(01:21:10):
done it that often, basically, there's no code you're gonna
write any mistakes. And so when you was talking, something
really touched me and I had to, you know, express
myself because I've been I've been trying to get on
the financial you know, to financial and help my people.
But I just kept feeling like every little effort that
I was doing in the community to finally, you know,

(01:21:34):
I don't tell people what I'm doing, and when I
get off work, I don't really watch TV. I go
right into my stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:21:41):
I just lived the life that I want to have now.
And hearing you reassure me that I'm on the right
path and I'm doing the right thing. And I just
want to say, I appreciate you for being on the radio.

Speaker 6 (01:21:53):
Right, brother, I appreciate you.

Speaker 9 (01:21:55):
Brother.

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
Don't stop getting get it baby.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
That's what's up, all right, Thanks Monte, And there's probably
a lot more have the courage to call it? Go ahead?
Oh he hung up?

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
The question for you, brother, Saint Claire, how much of
what you have that this this drive that you have
comes from from you went to Howard and Tuskegee. But
how much of it came from Tuskegee. How much of
the influence of Booker t been in the area where
he was? How much of that do you think is
part of what you made you a success today?

Speaker 5 (01:22:31):
I think it's a lot. But what I didn't appreciate
this goes back to going off to college. Like my
dad was a hard worker. Like he he was Vietnam
UH era that he was over there UH station in Korea.
I was born in Montana, Great Falls, Montana for those

(01:22:52):
who know the military, and no weaponry. That's what the
miniman missiles entered, the ant continental ballistic missiles. So I came.
My dad was early in computers. He self tight died
was what do you call those courses corresponding courses.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Where he learned.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
He came in as a plumber and laying pipe those
big round sewer drain pipes, and then he used the
GI build and got his degree. And my mom was
a housewife and she taught us kindness. She taught us,
you know, we went to a vacation Bible study. And
I just didn't appreciate what my parents did. My mom

(01:23:33):
didn't have a college education and my dad got it
through the military, and they literally were My mom was
that girl in high school that was pregnant in her
junior year with my older brother. So I appreciate my
I didn't appreciate them when I was younger. But when
I went off to college and my dad was at
old school, he said, once you got out of high school,

(01:23:56):
you either go to the military or you go, you know,
on your own. They hadn't saved up money for college.
That just wasn't his peer group, you know. He went
in as enlisted and he went to the Officer Training school,
but he didn't They hadn't planned for college. And I
just remember how I struggled at Tuskegee, and I used
to like resent my parents a little bit and I

(01:24:20):
remember coming home and complaining to my dad about what
they didn't do, and it was the first time I
ever saw my dad cry, and it made me realize,
like my dad was. My dad was one of those
one of those guys just said, you know, I'm proud
of you. He never said I loved you. That was
my mom who did all the kiss and my dad
was no kissing the mamma. You know, he was that

(01:24:40):
you know, that type, you know. Anyway, my point is,
you know, and I never see my dad cry ever
in my life, you know ever. But it taught me
he had dreams too that didn't come true. He did
the best he could. My parents did the best they
could inspite uh. And it was that moment that you know,

(01:25:04):
I regret that that I had said what I said
to my father, and it made me know that we
stand on the shoulders and they do the best that
they can do. It's our responsibility to continue and do
the best that we can do. And Tuskegee gave me
the opportunity to start that journey. Now, my dad was like,

(01:25:26):
if you stay home, I at least give you a
place to stay. I didn't plan for college for you,
but at least a player, and I didn't. I said no,
And then I got an ROTC scholarship my dad. And
this is the weird thing. My dad was in the
military and the person who was over the Air Force
ROTC at Tuskegee was stationed at the same base and

(01:25:48):
used to baby his wife is the babysit my brothers
and sisters. So we had a relationship. But I wasn't
into the war like and that hurt my father too,
like he said, look, man, you meting off this reward
thing for a while for you now to get you
off the college and talk about peace, and you got
for this. It was kind of hurtful, but it was

(01:26:10):
some of those things that acted as like the foundation.
I had a very very very good foundation. And then
when I went to Tuskee, it was the first time
I heard mister farra Con. A good friend of mine,
Robert Dawson, turned me on from La to miss a
fair Con and I heard him talk about all the

(01:26:31):
things that he was talking about. This is like eighty
seven and it was amazing. So I definitely credit my parents.
I credit Tuskegee for giving me the best of the
best of some of the most beautiful black people of
the same generation as me coming together, as well as
foul University, which gave me the opportunity to even get

(01:26:52):
a degree because I wouldn't have. So I've been blessed,
like highly favored, you know. And I accepted Jesus Christ
my Lord behavior and while I was in school at Tuskege,
which helped me get the spiritual strength. Now you can
be most at this point, I'm kind of like, you know,
whatever thing works for you. But to have that spiritual
sural connection that my mom wanted to see that I

(01:27:16):
didn't appreciate. Then going off to college and seeing the
manifestation of God and all the things that happened in
my life, I could at least put some language to
the spirit that came from the fact that I had
a foundation of some spiritual people in my mom, my dad,
my grandmama's and aunts and uncles. So that I've been blessed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
You know. I got to ask you this question though,
because some people that probably don't understand. You know, you
talked about your parents the influence they had on you,
and indirectly because you saw that what they were doing,
but they weren't telling you something You know a lot
of times even though your father was pushing you into
one direction, but you absorbed what they were doing, and
once you became I am an adult, you adopted to

(01:28:01):
some of the things that you saw as a child.
Can you explain how that works?

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Well, this was I didn't get it at the time,
but my father was really innovative. We had an Applitude
E computer in our house in like nineteen eighty three
or eighty four. My dad was always in the sci
fi and he really wanted to go to outer space.
Like he literally even though he was born in the projects,

(01:28:27):
the Cochrane projects in Saint Louis, and was had a
baby at you know, at a young age with his girlfriend. Like,
he never stopped dreaming, and he never stopped pursuing a
better life, even if it was hard, even if it
was racist. Like again, I don't think we think enough
for that generation of they were born under legal slavery,

(01:28:51):
under apartheid, and then when by the time they came
of age they were so called in a free experience
that was really a lie wrapped in another lie with
something else wrapped around that. And the still, in spite
of all that, to keep dreaming and having family for children,

(01:29:11):
like you know, that's that spirit of our people. You
know what I'm saying, that spirit of my answers. I
started talking about how I thought Silicon Valley was amazing,
but I really think you start looking at the revolutions
in Africa and the resistance movements in America.

Speaker 6 (01:29:26):
From Nat Turner.

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
You know, our people have had big dreams and no
matter what happened to them, they were fascinated. They were murdered,
they were lynched, it never stamped them like we're unstoppable.
Like anytime I hear people talking down they decimated the
Native Americans, they decimated the Aborigines. These people did not

(01:29:48):
deserve to be destroyed like that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
But we are still here.

Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
Not only we still here, we still are some of
the best of the best of the best that this
world has to offer. We got you called like the
fact that we've got you every morning. Bro on everything
is worth the price of the entry, full stop. So
when you talk about it like your legacy, this like

(01:30:13):
we stand like this is inspirational.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Just being on your show on everything, man, I know
you're the inspisson. You inspired a lot of folks, like
the brother who called Monte working the Pentagon and they
call and he was inspired by what you told him.
That's what I wanted you to tell that story, brother,
seeing clear, because a lot of times folks are coming
up and they've got ideas, and they've got people in
their ear who was telling, oh man, that's not gonna wear. Hey,

(01:30:36):
you waste your time. Hey, they're gonna fail. You know,
you're not gonna give you all kinds of reasons why
the thing that you have the passion for, the thing
that God puts you on this planet for, and you
want to do it, and they start putting those doubts
into your mind, and that's the one that share. How
do you react to all of that? And you did,
and and you touch more people than Monte or Monte

(01:30:56):
was was moved enough to call in others. I'm telling
you guaranteed touch them too, and so then I'm going
to give up on their dreams. So I just want
to thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
Oh no, thank you for the for like your consistency,
like that's the heart, like you you know now looking back,
you got it, Like your consistency is bananas. And that's
the thing I try. I strive to live up to
that model that you've shown like literally day in and
day out, like that's not a game, Like to keep
putting up those points every day. That's a real thing

(01:31:30):
and a commitment to us.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
And you could do all kinds of things with your talents.

Speaker 5 (01:31:35):
You could have done anything, but you decided to share
it with us every morning. I can't imagine. Like when
I'm in Tuskegee University and I give money back or
you know, we donated some golf carts and you know
that the people thank me. I said, look, I thank
you for giving a life in the middle of making county.
I love Tuskegee, but I would never spend a whole

(01:31:55):
life in the middle of making County, Alabama. Like that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
You're explain why when you come back. And also doctor
Wimbush is going to check in. It's two minutes away
from the top. They have family. Got to step asut
and get caughtup with the ladies, trafficing weather, not different cities.
We'll be back with brother Saint Clair Skinner and doctor
Ray Wimbush. If you're going to speak to brother Saint
Clair or brother or Dr Winbush, reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six.
We'll take your phone calls after the traffic and weather
that's next. And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting the

(01:32:22):
week with us this Monday morning. Also the month of December.
First of December. I guess his brother Saint Clair Skinner,
Mama teyor we're going to talk to Dr Ray Wimbers
from Morgan State University. But brother Saint Clair, before I
let you go, you're going to You're going to make
several stops in Africa. This is it this week?

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
You going, Oh yeah, yea, I'm leaving today.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Oh yeah, okay wow. We'll share with us of your itinery.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
So the conference is the African Bitcoin Conference, which is
in Mauritius. And then I'll probably do a layover and Maputu, Mozambique.
How some folks haven't seen in a minute there and
then South Africa and then to Zimbabwe and then on

(01:33:13):
the way back and this I like to do my trips.
I'll do like long layovers and places. So one of
the projects that we're finishing up is this Global Green Book,
and we've got a teammate in Kigali, so I'll probably
do a long layover in Kigali and then head back
to the States. So and you know, once you travel

(01:33:35):
that far around the world, you try to do yourself
at least like ten to fifteen days to actually get
on the ground and do things.

Speaker 8 (01:33:44):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
I think the older I get, my jet lag gets
a little stronger unfortunately than weaker. So in those days,
having some time to kind of like catch up with
the clock is a part of that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
I mean journeys, do you follow what's going on back
in the States or you just just totally lock out
and just just focus into what's going on in the
different African countries.

Speaker 6 (01:34:08):
I think it's both.

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
You know, Twitter is where you know, I know some
people don't do Twitter.

Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
I do Twitter.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
It has a lot more to me information than any
other place. So I'm very you know, in tune with
what's happening in the world based on social media through Twitter,
I think. And then you know, those are some of
the things now that we have the app up and going,
we have our own chat groups, so I'll be spending

(01:34:36):
more time on that. But I think, you know, having
a global outlook anyway, Like I while I'm here, I'm
looking at what's going on in Africa, China, Europe, like
you know, perspective wise. You know, I think that's it.
You know, what's going on in Venezuela and I've been.
I was there doing Hugo Chavas being alive and saw

(01:34:57):
how wonderful those people were. So all these little things
helped me kind of keep my mind aware of those things.
So yeah, I say plugged in God. I mean I
say plugged in regardless God bless.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Yeah, when we come, when you come back, once you
file a report and see what our brothers and sisters
in the different countries are saying about what's going on
in the state side, especially with Donald Trump threatening to
invade Nigeria. And I know you've been there Nigeria and
what do they think. Do they consider the threat just
for Nigeria? Is it just the African States themselves? So

(01:35:34):
give I've given you some homework to do in addition
to expanding Hum hum yes sir, yeah, yeah, have a
safe light. We'll see you when you get back.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Thank you, Carl, Thank you for always been so beautiful.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
No, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this
morning always, and thank you for creating that like the
project Doctor wimersh is here, so why don't you just
quickly just share with him what it is. I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
So we were literally building a global safety net with
our members who give us recommendations of black family spaces
and that they don't necessarily have to be black owned,
just like the original Green Book, and we just expanded
it to to include eight categories places to eat, places
the sleep, place of transportation like the original Green Book,
but we expanded it to healthcare, legal finance, education, childcare,

(01:36:38):
and beauty. And our focus aren't places in these situations
where we're very vulnerable. So people used to talk about travel,
and travel is one vulnerability because you don't know anybody,
but if you're sick, you're vulnerable. And these are the
wrong time that meet a racist. And so we try
to focus just on the areas critical in people activity

(01:36:58):
that if you get a racist, you you get a
racist carfrinter or cable guy, that's not going to be critical.
But you get a racist lawyer and you're in Thailand,
that could be an issue, or even where you are now,
like we've experienced on COVID, you get a bad doctor,
he says you got pneumonia when you've literally got COVID.
The consequences could.

Speaker 7 (01:37:17):
Be very grave.

Speaker 5 (01:37:18):
So we're literally crowdsourcing this information from our members who
sign up on our app as free and it's global.
We have probably about one hundred and fifty thousand people
since we started that our under the network, but active
I would say more like about eight thousand people have
contributed actively to the app, and we have about thirty

(01:37:39):
thousand locations, and a key part of that is validating
these locations because ours is a brick and mortar it's
not digital, because we want safe spaces, so we always
need people to go back and validate and make sure
these places are still there and treating people the way
they should. So yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Humbly all right, doctor Wimbles, grand Rising, welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Great work.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
I'll just ask you what brother Sinclaus just said.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 11 (01:38:13):
It's good to hear your boys, brother Scla, carry on, man,
that's good. Pan African work too, beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
Good, thank you, brother, good and African work with a smile, sir,
propefully with utmost ability, yes, sir, but y'all have a
great day. Appreciate everything and appreciate your work bout Wimbush too.
So y'all take care of a great December.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
We'll see you when you have a safe flight and
we'll see you when you get back. All right, family,
that's brother Sincliss as I mentioned now, Doctor Ray Wimbush
is real us from Morgan State University. To pick up
where we left off with brother Sinclair, he's going to
the continent that he's going to Africa several states. Uh,
Donald Trump, Doctor, whenbus's threatening to invade Nigeria, how how

(01:38:59):
do you think people are seeing he's using He's using
the cloak of religion of Christianity that he's going there
to save that the Christians and the Nigerian Christians who
are under attack. Your thoughts, well, you.

Speaker 11 (01:39:13):
Know, you always have to start with the premise that
Trump lies about everything, you are, most.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Of what he says publicly. He's designated Nigeria's.

Speaker 11 (01:39:25):
What he called a country a particular concern and that's
actually an official, uh you know, designation by the State
Department of CPC. The fact of the matter is you
got to look at Venezuela, Saudi and Nigeria. What they
have in common is oil. And you know, I've once

(01:39:46):
heard someone say that, you know, oil is to Europeans
what heroin is to an addic, and so he'll use
an excuse such a as the you know, the persecution
of Christians.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
In Nigeria.

Speaker 11 (01:40:05):
To get to his real goal, which is to take
care or take the oil from not only Nigeria, but
Venezuela as well. So, you know, I just don't believe
Trump about anything. And I know that sounds like an
extreme way to view a president, but what can you

(01:40:28):
believe from this guy that is honest?

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
And even if there was.

Speaker 11 (01:40:33):
Persecution of Christians, that's a national problem that Nigeria has.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
To deal with.

Speaker 11 (01:40:40):
You don't just go around, you know, even though the
United States is imperialistic, but solving people's countries problems as
you see them, you just don't do it. He's doing
it in a gaza right now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Yeah, And the lady's said, of course, is Venezuela your
thoughts on you know, the the other talking about Pete,
he'saff you know, those shooting outs alleged the drug boats,
and we heard that some of those were just actually
just fishermen were out there, that there were collateral damage.
They'll probably call it when when all he said and done.
I wanted to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 11 (01:41:17):
Well, you know, it's interesting that you know, there were
some survivors in these early strikes on those Venezuelan boats.

Speaker 6 (01:41:27):
And two of them were in the water.

Speaker 11 (01:41:30):
After the rockets hit the boat, and the commander of
the operation called back to Hex's deep and asked him,
you know, what should we do with them?

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
He didn't kill him.

Speaker 11 (01:41:44):
Now he's denying it. In fact, posted a cartoon on
his twitter feed or whatever last night, almost like a
cartoon about.

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
This was a lie and so forth.

Speaker 11 (01:41:56):
Again, you can't believe very much about what this, you know,
administration said. It's interesting that Trump said about those strikes
that the interdiction, which is usually the case. You you
don't want to just kill someone, you know, you want

(01:42:18):
to capture them, you know, tune them up a little
bit or whatever, and then try to get more information
about where they got the drugs from. I frankly don't think.

Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
They are.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Drug votes. I have never thought that.

Speaker 11 (01:42:35):
And the proof of that, or something that allows proof
of it, is how on the early strikes there were
two survivors, not the same one that hexstets, these people
that Hexxtets killed, but there were two survivors and they
returned them to their country. Well, if they were narco traffickers,

(01:42:59):
while would you return them to their home country? And
then furthermore, he's letting the president of Honduras granting him
a part who was a known convicted in a federal corps,
a known drug trafficker who said that he wanted to dump.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Four hundred million tons of or four hundred tons of
cocaine into America.

Speaker 11 (01:43:29):
Just drug America out.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
He let them go.

Speaker 11 (01:43:31):
So if you're concerned about narco traffickers, why are you
letting the president of Honduras, which is who is convicted
of trafficking and drugs go or giving them apart?

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
It doesn't make any sense, right fourteen other time of
doctor Ray Wimbers from Morgan State University, not to wimbush
the other part. You know about the alleged drug boats.
Do you think if you're running drugs, you know the
CIA is bombing and you're going to keep on running
and keep on running them?

Speaker 11 (01:43:58):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Are they incompetent stupid? If they're smart enough to run
drugs like that, don't you figure out we're not gonna
go there? They're bombing boats? So exactly just it just
why would they keep going back and knowing that this
is you know, this is going on, so that again,
go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:44:17):
Now you're gonna make sense of it, and there is
no sense in it. I mean, let's say I was
a narco trafficker, I hadn't seen what twenty boats blowns
and smither maings near the waters of Venezuela. Would I
go out like that?

Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
I would not.

Speaker 11 (01:44:34):
I think those are fishermen. I think that the fact
that he has not provided any evidence that they are
narco traffickers, but he's released videos of these bombings. It
appeals to that maggot, you know, sensibility of machoism and

(01:44:54):
all of that. But there's no proof to that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
And it's interesting that both sides of.

Speaker 11 (01:44:59):
The eye, as people say, are wanting in proof of
these killings that are occurring. And I think when all
is said and done, you're going to find out that
these people were probably innocent fishermen going out to haul
fish to their families into sale.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
That's It's just that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Simple fifteen at the top. They are interesting that all
of this is causing fights on the MAGA team. There's
almost almost imploding some of them are disenchanted with what
they see coming from the current administration, and some of
them are bailing. Some of you know, they just can't
go along with it. So there's a lot of infighting

(01:45:41):
and we'll come up a break when we come back.
Mark and Houston wants to talk to you. But I
want to ask you if you think this infighting will
have some sort of effect on the upcoming elections. This
will are we seeing we have the cusp of the
beginning of the end of the Maget group. I want
to get your thoughts on that, most of the Black magas.
We can't leave those folks out as well. Family, you
two can join our conversation with Dr Ray Wimbush from

(01:46:02):
Morgan State University. Just reach out to us at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, Thanks
are starting your week with us and our guests Dr
Ray Wimbush from Morgan State University of discussing politics right
now with doctor Wimbers. As usually we touch on a
lot of other stuff with doctor Wimbush, but let's get
started with Mark and calling from Houston. He wants to
join the conversation. He is on Line one, Grand Rising

(01:46:24):
Market on with Dr.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Wimbush Grand Rising.

Speaker 12 (01:46:29):
My brother's, how y'all doing this morning? You're doing all
right this morning?

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Doing fine?

Speaker 6 (01:46:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:46:35):
I just want to say this man, but it with
Donald Trump. I'll claim this whole issue on the Republican Party.
And the reason why I say that is because I
just look at it. They had a chance to teach
Donald Trump when his first administrations were the two things
that he did wrong with the Republican Party.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
They didn't want to do that.

Speaker 12 (01:46:56):
The numbers was good.

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
Then he turned around and.

Speaker 12 (01:47:00):
He ran for president again. He told him that he's
gonna partner all the people from January sixth, he told
the Republican Party. They went right along with and made him.
He wasn't even a convicted talent yet. But remember this,
he wasn't even a nominee for the Republican If he
was a nominee for the Republican Party, then he became

(01:47:20):
convicted and they still got behind this man. I don't
understand it. It's the Republican Party right now, this man
can be and teach or what we just talked about
of these blowing up, these ships both sides say, man,
something wrong with this?

Speaker 13 (01:47:36):
Man?

Speaker 12 (01:47:37):
Well, why want the Republican Party? We got enough in
a Democrat. We know that, But goodness, gracious, don't you
think that this is a party. It's not. I understand
Donald Trump, but he's a convicted talent. You and I
quack o'bahall. If he was convicted of a felon, you know,
he wouldn't have made it president. We all agree that,

(01:47:58):
especially thirty four accounts. And remember they elected him after
listen to the people they elected him, after the thirty
four people that acted him that like them in his
Republican party would write along with this vest Do you
think this is corrupted?

Speaker 14 (01:48:14):
His best?

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
That's all I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:48:15):
Do you think it's good?

Speaker 15 (01:48:16):
Up?

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
All right, let's get a chance. Let me just add
this the documents. You know that he's trying to erase,
that those convictions get them officially erased for because he's
the only convicted elected president. That's something he doesn't like
to talk about. But I let you respond to Mark's question.
Thanks Mark.

Speaker 11 (01:48:32):
Well, you know, Mark brings up a lot of good points.
I mean, the fact of the matter is is that
there's a I don't even consider the Republican Party. When
we think of a Republican Party, we think of like
John McCain or Robert Dole, you know, back in the.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
Day, George Bush, both of the Bushes.

Speaker 11 (01:48:50):
This is a cult right now and the reason why
most of the people, the Republicans if you want to
call him, that have kind of coltal to the guy.
They're afraid of being primary. They're afraid of, you know,
going against him. I mean, we can talk later about

(01:49:11):
Marjorie Taylor Green while she's you know, opting out right
now because the death threats on her when the president
turns on them. So, you know, I think it was
John F. Kennedy that said that the difference between a
politician and a states He said statesman is that a
politician cares about being reelected, which we have now on

(01:49:35):
both sides of the out you know, but primarily in
the Republican Party, people are afraid. They are they're focused
on getting re elected at the senatorial level as well
as the House. A statesman is somebody who, regardless of
what the consequences are, you know, stands up for the country.

(01:49:57):
They put country first. They don't care about being reelected.
That's why Kennedy wrote that book profilesand Courage some sixty
seventy years ago, because he didn't care about you know,
he wanted to do the right thing if you plead
at the political level. So you met about a bunch
of politicians in the Republican Party who are more focused

(01:50:19):
on being re elected, re elected, getting paid and you know,
retiring with a good pension and write a book and
then joined Fox News.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Yeah, twenty foive the top that I got a tweet.
Let me read this tweet. The tweeter says, if doctor
Glemboshafis were cartel boats, they would have took another route
after the first bombing. And the twet Rubio knows firsthand
about the drug business. And I think what this person
is implying that, you know, Marco Rubio's brother, I think
his brother in law was a major, major coke dealer

(01:50:52):
in Miami back in the day, back in the eighties exactly.
And Marco Ruvier actually lived at the house where where
this coke was stored. And after he helped they convicted
drug dealer, his brother in law get a real estate
license when when he was in the uh and it
was elected in the state electionay for Florida. So I

(01:51:13):
think this is what this person is implying. So you know,
it's it's no surprise what's going on here, but your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (01:51:21):
You know, absolutely, I mean we got as a kleptocracy,
and it's interesting that no one ever or rarely goes
into the backgrounds of people like Marco Ruby or everything
you said is absolutely true. Uh, he could have been
in that movie with uh with his name.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Al Pacino, Uh, Scarface.

Speaker 6 (01:51:44):
It was really like that.

Speaker 11 (01:51:46):
I mean, you know, he was involved and there's some
people who say now that he was involved with drug trafficking.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:51:53):
You go into the backgrounds of all of these characters
who are up in this kleptocracy right now, you know,
healing money, making money, and letting you know, again the
latest narco traffickers, giving them partners, and he's probably gonna
wind up partnering himself. I mean, it's a corrupt government,

(01:52:15):
and not that governments aren't always corrupt to a degree,
but this is probably the most corrupt government we've seen
since Nixon and going way back to the teapot Dome
scandal back in the nineteen twenties. It's a corrupt, criminal,
logic government that we are serving right now and who

(01:52:37):
is going to.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Get more corrupt as we approach these elections.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
But the question that Dr Wambership is group the back
of group you said they were, And let's probably answer
to the question that I'm seeking, why haven't they spoken out?
What don't you know? They call themselves Christians, some of
them that flank, and they see all these illegal activities
that's going on and he's co signing them and event

(01:53:02):
it doesn't upset them. That's my question.

Speaker 11 (01:53:05):
Well, you know, you know, like, okay, let's take one
of those the Christian nationalist movement. You know, they know
that Trump is an adulterer, they know that most likely
you know his reluctance to release the Epstein file, that
he's a pedophile. They know he is has been convicted yet,

(01:53:27):
and still they still follow them. That most of these
white Christian nationalists, I mean they're white, they're nationalists, but
they're not Christian. They're not doing with the leader of
that religion advocated two thousand years ago. It shows that,
you know, race and racism, Trump's any kind of religion.

(01:53:52):
It also shows that there's a tolerance for racism that
Christian nationalists port.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
And that Trump knows that and he acts upon it.
The only people that Trump.

Speaker 11 (01:54:08):
Cares about in terms of their votes are that thirty
three thirty four percent who consistently support those hardcore you
know what I call maggots who support them supports him
no matter what. So you know, I kind of just
say that there's you know, ignoring all of this. You know,

(01:54:30):
I've heard you know, Christian asmaland say, well, he's like
Cyrus in the Bible. You know, he was corrupt, but
he saved Israel, you know, confused theology, but it's embedded
in racism that is running a lot of what is
going on in this country right now.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
And it also got to add this to doctriol. She's
ratings are going down. So obviously there's some people there
on that side of an island. They've they've been thinking
twice and now you know they saw and Shamarga Greens.
She spoke up first, and so so people, wait a minute,
this must be something that we said America first and
he was gonna stop all wars and that's not happening.

(01:55:10):
And they were afraid. People were afraid to speak up,
even people on the radio, because he on TV, the media,
he threatened the media and they wrote billion dollar text
just to keep them off their backs. But they were
all afraid. But now that seems to be turned around.
Do you see a turning in this? Do you think
this is what we're seeing in my original question for
the break? Do you think this is where we're going
to see the end of the Maga movement? You think

(01:55:31):
this is? This is will well? I guess uh materialize
in next next, next year's elections.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
No, I do, I really do.

Speaker 11 (01:55:40):
And you know Fox News had a like my mother
used to say, a conniption fit when Mamdani visited him
in the overall is and he embraced them, actually started
dressing like him and got rid of his orange makeup.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
I mean, Fox News went ballistic about stuff. They don't
know what to do. And that's just another division within
the Maga mood.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
All right, So too thirty minutes to have the top
of the Tyrone is checking in from Baltimore's online One
Grand Rising Tyron. He're on with doctor Ray Wimbush.

Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
Yeah, Rayan Risen call I just got back from Ghana
and uh before I and I asked, I wanted to
get the doctor's opinion about that Windbush is.

Speaker 7 (01:56:26):
Pain about it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:26):
But before I go do it and that, I just
want to speak in my capacity to retirements their officer.
Once you take people out of the battle, it is
a war crime to uh kill them. So what hay
six was asking those people to do is a war crime.
Now at the ibry level, they may not known that
because a lot of times when you're out there executing
you you already believe in your heart that this stuff

(01:56:50):
has already been that it and these people are true
a true threat. So but Hayset had the knowledge that
they weren't. So and a lot of stuff these the
officialment they need to be tried at the Hague in
Geneva for what they're doing in uh South America. So
that and you don't have to be able to all
for order. By way, he did not have to obey one.
So I'm sure if those guys knew that they were about.

(01:57:11):
And as a matter of fact, Admiral Hosey, I don't
know if you're familiar with him, he was in charge
of the Caribbean Fleet, its sharp brother, highly decorated. He quit,
he resigns, I'm not doing this, and then he but
his Hayseick almost daily about this stuff, and Hayset was
trying to find ways around by using special forces and
by you know, other other methods to get around. And

(01:57:33):
when they said they was send the CIA into uh Venezuela,
he probably quit. He said, not, I ain't trying to
be a part of us, you know, because he's a
man president, like a load of the brothers is in there.
That's why I say it's important to have black people
in the military. Now because of how you feel about it.
We can't have all white military. We're gonna be in
live damn trouble. Okay. But because I know I wouldn't

(01:57:53):
have done that. I would have done the same thing
he did. And I would have resigned if they asked
me to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
But giving back to now, before you move on, brad Town,
So you agree with it, do you think uh the
sixth what they call them, that said that they should
refuse audits, you think that they did anything wrong? You know,
telling you the people in the military if the orders
are not consistent, I guess with the Constitution, I'm just paraphrasing,
they should, they should resistant or ignore them.

Speaker 6 (01:58:20):
Your responsibility to as this is dummed into us as
a military officer goes beyond the United States.

Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
You tried at a.

Speaker 6 (01:58:27):
Military for tribunal in Geneva for violating the law of
armed conflict. Now that if you remember the Nazis, the Nazis,
the main Euskis they used for killing all those views
was they were just following oars and guess what they
hung them anyway, it's not okay. So this this is
what this is what I'm getting at us. And by

(01:58:47):
the way, when they were bombing uh in your bed
on that group trap, they killed three hundred people. But
those bombings that we did because a Colorad outbreak, one
of the greatest in the world. Six million people have
been affected with cholera because the water was contaminated seven
percent of water and your men is contaminated due to
our bombings. And Michael Rubio cut off all food a

(01:59:09):
to your men although half the population is in danger
of starving because of our bombs. So we were given
one hundred million dollars for food. Ay, he cut it
off and now they're going to starve to death. And
they saved one hundred million dollars, but spent a billion
dollars dropping bombed on that that that costs a billion
dollars to kill those people in your men three hundred people,
so move right loss.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Tax bay his money. So we're complicit in it if
we don't speak up.

Speaker 6 (01:59:36):
Is that what you say exactly? And that's why I'm
speaking of that's our money.

Speaker 8 (01:59:39):
And and so what I want to get to.

Speaker 6 (01:59:42):
Is that we have been as an indicator before, we
have been protesting to the fact that brother Barbara Charlie
Doug has been given quans that morning for the past
twenty five years, to the assession of two years for COVID.
He told me that they give them all kinds of
static about handling quans. That at Morgan, I HBCU. Now
I can expect it from Towsond and places like that.
You're RESU in Maryland, but not in NCCU, you know so,

(02:00:05):
and we want to shoot I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
Who is preventing that? It more?

Speaker 6 (02:00:11):
Well, we spoke to I spoke to a miss and
at Woodrough the community out reached Lady at Morgan personally,
and she told me that she received an email just
when I went to after that they were gonna have uh,
they were not gonna do corns this year.

Speaker 8 (02:00:26):
That she don't mean now.

Speaker 6 (02:00:27):
Now, Charlie Duggar told me later that they try to
work it out. I don't know, but we've had people call.
We've put a number out at Balmore and numb four
homes out org bo one and numb for homes out
org goes to the bob of the page and you'll
see a number that you can call ms and at
Woodruff and US. Matter of fact, yeah, okay, so if
you go to that website you should see it, or

(02:00:48):
you can simply just call four four three. Oh god, now,
min I ain't gonna glass on, but anyway, go to
Balmore and number fours homes out org bore number four
homes ot org called the number and the character.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:00:59):
I was up there on Friday night, just getting back
from Africaus. Cold was hat. My son dropped off his
children and me and me a fourteen year old and
a fifteen year old and my nephew, my sister's son.
We were out there hand out fires of Canda mill
and it's cold. It's like five thirty. Grown people should

(02:01:22):
be doing that, all right, grown people should have done it.
But I was so proud of them, and they were
so happy to be doing it because they even they
at their level, they understand that it's important to keep
our students that were producing culturally literate because the first
thing they we don't want them when they get out
of college, the first thing they do is forget about
where it came from. Because when you produce people that
are disconnected from the community, you produce people like Clarence Thomas,

(02:01:44):
You produce people like Tim Scott and Ben Consonant who
feel like they have no obligation any connection to the
black community. Cause is the last thing we're going to
do is take away cultural heritage and doctor Man. But
do I want to get you number later, and I
do want to talk to you about this and my
experience in Africa and even a Gana they were saying
that that was important when I was in.

Speaker 11 (02:02:00):
What I want you to do is call me. I'm
going to speak to a net right after the show.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
I know her well in.

Speaker 11 (02:02:06):
Fact, and you give me a call at Morgan and
I will return the call because that's deep be troumbling,
you know.

Speaker 15 (02:02:13):
And I'll.

Speaker 6 (02:02:16):
Gunna the ministers that I met with, and Gunnar Cheems
and the Kings they.

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
Have a problem with that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
So let me sum it up for saying, are you
saying that they cancel cons celebration.

Speaker 6 (02:02:28):
They're trying to real hard. They give them a hard
time putting robot something. They have it in the building
that they normally had it. They used to have a
student union building. Now they're trying to move to some
I guess the Jane of the clubs behind the football fields.
And when I don't know, but they tell me to
have that face.

Speaker 3 (02:02:42):
I'm gonna I'll get to the bottom.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
But you call me, what's the reason though?

Speaker 4 (02:02:49):
What's what do you need to number?

Speaker 8 (02:02:50):
Sir?

Speaker 5 (02:02:51):
I need a number.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
We'll get your number during the break because we come break.
But before we do that, though, Tyron and I want
to stay with us. What is the reason why they
want to cancel it.

Speaker 6 (02:03:01):
They never gave me a direct reason. They said that
the student union building or whatever is occupied. Now they
gave it out to somebody else. I guess they don't
think it's the board to you know.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
So well, all right there and stay with us. I'll
let you.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
We want to hear.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
That's the trip to Ghana. We got to step aside
for a few months. You and join our conversation with
doctor Ray Wimbush reach out to us at eight hundred
four to five zero seventy eight seventy six. Again, that's
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll
take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks
for starting your week with us. Again, it's nineteen minutes
away from the top.

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
There.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
I guess it's doctor Ray Wimbush, he teaches at Morgan
State University. Before we go back to let me just
remind you. Coming up later this week you can hear
from the master teacher himself, Brother Ashar a Quasi also
Chairman Fred Hampton will be with us. Doctor Sabe's son
Abdullah make an appearance, and the founder of the Black
Laws for Justice, Attorney Malik Shabous, will also join us. So,
if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio
locked in real tight on ten ten WLB. If you

(02:03:57):
have a DMV, we're on fourteen fifteen WL. All right, Turron,
you're about to tell us about your trip to Ghane.
I let you post the trip and tell doctor Wimbers
about your trip.

Speaker 6 (02:04:07):
The key the key thing that the key thing way
about my trip to Ghana is that they.

Speaker 14 (02:04:12):
Are proud of us.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Maintained our connections.

Speaker 6 (02:04:17):
To their culture and to Africa and they and uh,
they welcomed me as a brother. Actually the president of
the Farmers and Fisherman's Union, uh let me stay at
his place because I missed my plane going back and
he put me up. Uh uh here is his wife's place.
I was there to honor doctor e Faye Williams Esquire,

(02:04:40):
Ambassador doctor f Williams Esquire. She was crowned queen mother
by the chiefs and the kings and Ghana. Ghana had
several hereditary kings, even though it's a democratic republic, you know,
if you want to read a book over here in
the United States, that's what it is. But they have
what's called the hereditary kings and they have chiefs. And
I was there to greek them. I was, and as
I retired, knows there, officer, I was. You know, I'm

(02:05:02):
allowed to wear my uniform because I have that title
for life. And regardless of how I feel about the
military now whatever, I have that title of life. I
earned it out. I started at property one and all
the time stuffing, I started all my decorations on. They're
very proud, you know, And they were trying to get
me to see if they get someone from the village
to into the United States. Arm mean, I said, that's
not a good idea.

Speaker 5 (02:05:22):
Right now, because it's the current occupent in the White House.
If he gives you anything, he's gonna spend something in return.
I don't want to get you, you know, on a
trick back behind that.

Speaker 6 (02:05:30):
And the matter of fact, Ghana is known. I think
the name means land of the warrior kings, so they
admire people, you know, warriors and things of that nature.
And the kids want to take pictures with me and
everything like that. It felt like I was a summer
ever eat there. It treats like.

Speaker 5 (02:05:45):
Kings, but she was a queen. She's taken me around
like a queen. She's she actually helped do the Millionaire
in March. She act she was the co chair of
Ben Chavis on a Millionaire ma in March that I'm
a minister to do his trailer come actually appointed to
that role as a chair of the million Man the
first one thirty years ago. And she's one of the

(02:06:07):
few women that he let speak in the million Man March.
And she also was all at gunpoint in the Persian
Gulf trying to take a few food to hungry children
in Iraq, and they would try to get her to
come off the ship, and she refused to leave.

Speaker 6 (02:06:22):
Until all the women from all the world she had
Tildy went from all the world. There they food was
hungry children. She refused to leave the boat to the
last woman got off, and when she left they blew
that boat. The Kingdom come so and she refused to meet.
But Saddam was saying that she didn't want to be
used as a propaganda tool. She was there to feed
those children, and it was it was just a whole

(02:06:42):
crazy thing. I think she's writing a book about the experience.
But yes, she was had a gunpoint, you know, trying
to lose her life, trying to take trying to feed
hungry people. So this one was not a joke. She
was FROTI the big Grady society. Her being chrowned queen
is our fashion statements. She's done a lot for our
people and she continues to do a lot for our people.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
All right, all right, all right, thank you, thanks brother Tyron,
thank you for sharing your thoughts for this this morning.

Speaker 6 (02:07:08):
Yeah, please get people called Morgan and uh and ask
for Woodruff and the President David Wilson and tell him
to keep that Kwansa at the same building has been
at Stude Union Building and uh to keep that tradition
allowed twenty five years going, Thank for your time, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:07:23):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (02:07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
Fifteen away from the top out doctor Win Bush or Burrows.
He's joined us from Baltimore City. He's online three grand.

Speaker 3 (02:07:33):
Rising brand rising.

Speaker 16 (02:07:38):
Hey brother was a grand rising brother, ray one Bush
and everybody, I must say that I'm I'm glad that
the brother Tyrone both led the discussion or at least
informed the public of the problem that has has been

(02:08:00):
reoccurring with Morgan State University and particularly with the president
David Wilson with regard to Kwan's at Morgan.

Speaker 13 (02:08:11):
I know that Charlie Dugger and I think you know
Ray who Charlie Dugger is. For the last for the
last twenty five years, he has spearheaded the pre Quansa
celebration at Morgan State University at the Student Center.

Speaker 10 (02:08:34):
And I know that.

Speaker 13 (02:08:38):
For the last five years my organization, Roots of Scouting Incorporated,
we've been a part of that actively and we've watched
the numbers fall in terms of participation. I think it
was three years ago that the president attended David Wilson,

(02:09:01):
doctor David Wilson, and I thought everything was fine, But
as I spoke to Charlie, he's telling me that all
kinds of roadblocks have been put in his way, particularly
with regard to vending and the vendors who had charged
enormous fees for vending on the site, and now this

(02:09:23):
particular year, they're telling him it cannot be held at
the Student Center, that it's going to be somewhere else,
or they don't know where it's going to be. So
there's some kind of ideological pushback or something coming from
the administration, not the students. So I guess we need
to do a better job of involving the students and

(02:09:46):
or a student government with respect to maintaining a tradition
that has been of great success. I'd also remind you
that for thirty five years the organization, again handed up
by Brother Dougger, Charlie Dugger Camp Harambey, the people spearheaded

(02:10:12):
the quans of celebrations at all of the branches or
most of the branches of the Inert Pratt Free Library
in Baltimore City that was discontinued a year ago by
Enic Pratt in deference to we believe the initiatives put forward,

(02:10:34):
the negative initiatives put forward by the Trump Maga administration
to fight push back against diversity, equity and inclusion. So
the init Pratt Library, they caved. And what I've said
to Brother Dougger, those of us who consider ourselves activists,

(02:10:58):
we have to do a better job of then farming
the public and the black community, in particular of the
transgressions and the spell deggery that goes on behind the
scenes to destroy those institutions that are successful and successfully
working with regard to mobilizing our families, our community.

Speaker 5 (02:11:22):
And our culture.

Speaker 13 (02:11:24):
Were brother Lee or you, I'm sorry, go ahead now.

Speaker 3 (02:11:29):
You've raised a lot of good points.

Speaker 11 (02:11:31):
The DEI you know, orders if you please, has really
affected higher education in general, and HBCUs so far are
relatively immune too. The state schools, as you know, are
always concerned about state funding.

Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
Coming from legislatures that are not so friendly.

Speaker 4 (02:11:58):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:11:59):
I'm like I said, Anne Woodrow, whose name has been
mentioned by previous callers or somebody.

Speaker 3 (02:12:05):
That know, I was unaware of all of it. You know,
this whole thing about.

Speaker 11 (02:12:09):
Kwanza because I've actually attended some of those pre Kwanzas
ceremonies at Morgan.

Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
So I'm going to.

Speaker 11 (02:12:16):
Try to find out about it. But I think that
you've got to be aware, and I know you are,
that all schools of higher education and corporations are you know,
being dragged under this how can you put it? The

(02:12:36):
this rubric of DEI is somehow taking away from white people.
People forget that the first thing that Trump did when
he got in office was to deal with this DEI thing.
I think it's ironic that you know, today is the
what is it called.

Speaker 3 (02:12:56):
The sixty versus what the seventy is? Anniversary of.

Speaker 11 (02:13:06):
The Montgomery buff boycott, and I you know, I've said
that the boycott was, as far as I'm concerned, still
is one of the most effective tools that black people
have in opposing systems of white supremacy. Yet it seems
that we are, you know, the most the latest example
being targeted the department stores. But it seems that along

(02:13:29):
the way we've lost the ability to organize, which is
essential for a boycott.

Speaker 3 (02:13:38):
Again.

Speaker 11 (02:13:38):
You know, Leo, you got my number, and I'm going
to talk to you after the show about what's going
on in Morgan and we'll talk about it off the
record as well.

Speaker 5 (02:13:51):
Yes, well, I just want to extend that invitation. I
appreciate working with.

Speaker 13 (02:13:56):
You and we'll work out the mechanics of how they
make things work a game. But I want to extend
to you and Brother Carl and everyone an invitation to
attend a Kwanza celebration sponsored by and hosted by the
Roots of Scouting Incorporated in partnership with sankofa Emma and

(02:14:19):
the Baltimore Writes of Passage Initiative. That's going to be
on Friday, December twenty sixth at the weinberg Y and
Waverley on thirty third Street here in Baltimore City, nine
hundred nine hundred East thirty third Street from six point
thirty to nine thirty pm from six thirty to nine

(02:14:42):
thirty pm. And the chief of this event, the Grand Coordinator,
is Brother Olomina Stevenson and his number is four four
three five two seven five five two seven four four
three five two seven five five twenty seven. So to
God be the glory, We're going to keep these traditions

(02:15:04):
alive and we're gonna win the fight. It's a Titanic battle,
but again we're we've got people who are working against us,
and we've got more gatekeepers than you would imagine it,
all right, so correct, keep the.

Speaker 3 (02:15:23):
Faith, all right, thanks love.

Speaker 1 (02:15:27):
It was one of the soldiers out there in Baltimore
has been on the battlefield for a.

Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
Long time and highly respected to high there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:15:35):
Highly respected. He's not going to give up. So I'm
sure we're going to see some changes before I take
the next call for you though, doctor, are you seeing
an uptick of Morgan of students enrolling in Morgan because
of the de I and uh, you know, I just
feel unwanted by the the p WI schools.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
Well, you know absolutely.

Speaker 11 (02:15:56):
I mean, Morgan is now the third largest HPC in
the United States, behind North Carolina, A and T and Howard,
and we'll probably be overtaking Howard, you know, come next September.
HBCUs are bursting at the seams right now because parents
don't want.

Speaker 3 (02:16:15):
To send their children to hostile.

Speaker 11 (02:16:17):
Environments where you know, they're being deported, where they're being
scrutinized or overscrutinized and just becoming victims of you know,
the system of white supremacy. So the dormitory buildings, several
of them are brand new at Morgan and we're remodeling

(02:16:38):
Tubman Hall at Morgan. So you know, I've got a
I'm teaching the classes semester. You know, thirty five is
the maximum. For the past three years, all of my
classes have had thirty five students in it and more
want to come. So HBCUs are, you know, experiencing a renaissance.

(02:16:59):
You probably know that Jeff.

Speaker 3 (02:17:02):
Bezos's ex wife just gave Morgan.

Speaker 11 (02:17:06):
You know, I think it was either forty five million
in addition to what she's given before her donations over
one hundred million. And people have said, well, what is
her motive? And I want to share this real quick.
She was a student of Tony Morrison when Tony was
teaching at Princeton University, and she asked.

Speaker 3 (02:17:28):
Tony Morrison what could she do to.

Speaker 11 (02:17:31):
Really help Black America. And Tony, who used to teach
at Howard University in fact taught Kwame Toure Stokely Carmichael.
Tony told her to give to HBCUs and that's why
she's been donating to HBCUs across the country.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Wow, that's amazing backstory right there. Thank you for sharing
that with us. Doctor Wimbers because we saw how much
money she's given to HBCU schools, and it's a lot
of money. But and then when you see that, and
you look at all the other billionaires and they're sitting
on their hands and all they're thinking about is collecting
more money, more money, more money. And she's giving her money.
It's going to make a difference in a lot of

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lives for black folks attending HBCUs. So you know, again,
it just got to applaud her for doing that. She
didn't have to do it. In fact, yeah, I think
Elon must criticize her, you know, for giving away that money,
because he says, you don't do that, you know, being
an Africana, he can't see himself doing that helping black people,

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but she sees life differently.

Speaker 11 (02:18:35):
He's definitely not going to do it. And see, you know,
it's really funny because I think doctor Dre donated. I
want to make sure about this. I think it's seventy
million to University of Southern California, you know, for you know,
I mean, if a black person gives to a white institution,
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (02:18:55):
That Elon must won't criticize it. But when a white.

Speaker 11 (02:18:59):
Person does to a black institution, it brings out the
white supremacies. So you know, is again how the system
of white supremacy works.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
Yeah, all right, Drea copy of Doctor Fox's book Addicted
to White. They're pressed in league with the oppressor, shame
based alliones. He's all the way that violating those five
cool white values that many blacks to do. That Doctor
Fox pointed out. Anyway, it's two minutes away from the
top of that. We take a short break so our
stations can identify themselves down the line, because some folks
want to talk to you. Well, when we get back,

(02:19:32):
Dr Wimber she want to join the crowd. Reach out
to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy
eight to seventy six and we'll take your phone calls
next and grand Rising family, thanks are starting your week
with us this morning. I guess there's doctor Ray wimbersh
from Morgan State University of talking about a lot of
issues with Dr Wimbers She want to get in on
this discussion. It's really he just reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

(02:19:53):
Doctor Wimbush, Gregory and brother Gregory's call us from Charlotte.
He's online one grand rising brother, Gregory, you're on with
doctor Wimbleh.

Speaker 14 (02:20:00):
Yes, grund rising brother, Carl grun Rising, Doctor wind Bush.
How you doing doing pretty good, sir?

Speaker 6 (02:20:08):
Yes.

Speaker 14 (02:20:09):
And first of all, congratulations on that growth and enrollment
at Morgan State and also those multimillion dollar donations.

Speaker 17 (02:20:15):
That's great news, Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 (02:20:19):
And I talked to some of the other professors, doctor
Joe Horn and some of the guests on the Carl
Nelson Show, and I wanted to put a question on
the table for you, just like those other professors. And
the issue is the Trump executive order regarding birthright citizenship.
And one of the googles that I did is that

(02:20:40):
Trump said birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. He didn't say for Latinos,
he didn't say for Hispanics. He just put a period
after unconstitutional. So that caught my eye. Also, there's another
article in Google. It says Trump requests an expedited Supreme

(02:21:02):
Court hearing regarding birthright citizenship. So what we thought would
happen in twenty twenty seven could actually have a decision
in twenty twenty six regarding the Supreme Court review of
birthright citizenship and what we're seeing, doctor Winburgh. First, Trump
has been targeting the illegal immigrants, and then just this

(02:21:24):
weekend we saw Trump targeting even naturalized citizens. So I'm
thinking maybe step three could be Trump could target actually
African American birthright citizens So I wanted to get your opinion,
first of all, on the value of birthright citizenship to
our ancestors and to us as black people today, and

(02:21:47):
also the implications for black people if the Supreme Court
reviews this issue and then they actually redefine what is
the United States citizenship?

Speaker 11 (02:21:58):
Because you're coming on that the winds absolutely and it's
an excellent question. First of all, the Fourteenth Amendment, when
you know, again, I want to begin with the premise
that Trump Trump lies. Okay, he lies, He's a liar.
The Fourteenth Amendment states, all persons born or naturalized in

(02:22:20):
the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are
citizens of the United States and of the state wherein
they reside. The Fourteenth Amendment, which was written right after
the Civil War to guarantee black folks citizenship because there
was this question during the Civil War as whether or

(02:22:42):
not like Africans who had been stolen from Africa brought
to the United States were really citizens, and the fourteenth.

Speaker 3 (02:22:51):
Amendment was, you know, passed.

Speaker 11 (02:22:53):
To guarantee them citizenship. So anyone born in the United States,
the children of immigrants, black folk, all of that birthright
citizenship is constitutional. Now would you bring up whether or
not the Supreme Court, which is about the needs of Trump,
is going to say, well, let's expand is not only

(02:23:17):
are you know, you know, the immigrants. I mean, they
could vote to say that the birthright citizenship is unconstitutional.
I hope they don't do that. But several black scholars
in Gerald Horne being one of them, we've debated among
us whether or not they could apply that to black

(02:23:38):
you know, citizens of the United States.

Speaker 3 (02:23:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (02:23:43):
I do know that the fourteenth amer Amendment again guarantee
citizenship of anyone born on so called American soil.

Speaker 1 (02:23:53):
So let me jump in, fellas, just tell the audience
what would happen if if the Supreme Court makes those changes.

Speaker 11 (02:23:59):
What would happen is they made those changes, they could
question whether or not and it depends on the you know,
the how they write the opinion. They could say, well,
black folks, going back, you know, we were you know,
we were born of unnaturalized citizens. You know, we were

(02:24:21):
not naturalized really under the Fourteenth Amendment, and therefore we're
descendants of illegal immigrants. I mean, you know the Supreme
Court is rule. You know, I was shocked only when
they gave Trump immunity. They could undermine the Fourteenth Amendment.
They've already done away with Roe v. Wade, They've already

(02:24:43):
done away with exacerated the Voting Rights Act, and they
could deal with the Fourteenth Amendment saying that it was unconstitutional,
just like they said the Plus versus Ferguson was unconstitutional
back in nineteen fifty four.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
You know, Dr Wimbush, that that bigs a thought. Maybe
somebody's telling folks over at Ados and the FDA folks
about this. Do you think they should they should know this?

Speaker 11 (02:25:14):
Yeah, you know, they very quick call themselves American descendants
and slaves. And where you look, we're taking you out too. Okay,
you're a descendant illegally, you see.

Speaker 3 (02:25:23):
You know, it's I don't know, We're living in crazy times,
at very dangerous times.

Speaker 14 (02:25:30):
Just one quick follow up, brother call sure, Yes, I
just want to add in one other Google for the audience,
and if you might want to research at doctor Winbush
and it's Trump National Citizenship Database. And with this showed
this for the first time in the United States history,
the Trump administration has created like a master computer database

(02:25:52):
of all United States citizens. And this together with a
possible Supreme Court ruling that might nullify birthright citizenship, the
ultimate goal of this Trump administration might did to redefine
a new form of citizenship that probably could actually go.
And with what you said earlier, the key question would

(02:26:15):
this change subject African Americans, thirty million of US to
possible deportation to Africa other countries, just like the denaturalized
citizens and the illegal immigrants. And Brother Tony Browner and
brother Carl have mentioned a cataclismic event that could cause
unity of black people. And when I did my research,

(02:26:37):
I saw this and I said, brother Call, this could
be it, because this would change everything for thirty million
Black people in America if they tamper with and reduce
the rights of our citizenship. Could you comment on that, sir,
Thank you, Brother Call before you leave.

Speaker 1 (02:26:53):
Though, Brother Gregory for and doctor wimbersh comments, do you
think they got this information when MOSCAW was up there
at getting all the information he got everything every American
o this country.

Speaker 14 (02:27:04):
You're right on point, brother Paul. That's what it was
all about, I believe building that database. And I think
you also mentioned he has this super computer called Brock
or something. Can a scene, Yes, and and all of
this information is basically the foundation of this national Citizenship database.
So if this makes the ruling, it could change everything.

Speaker 11 (02:27:26):
For us, Brother Paul, and doctor Embush, everything you say
is absolutely on point.

Speaker 3 (02:27:34):
We can only hope that they won't.

Speaker 11 (02:27:37):
But you know, a lot of events.

Speaker 3 (02:27:39):
You have to connect dots.

Speaker 11 (02:27:41):
And you mentioned Grock, You mentioned Elon Musk, like mining
tons of data while he was up there with that
dose you know crap, and all of this stuff points
to and then Trump coming, you know, saying consistently, uh,
all persons. You know, you know, birthright citizenship is unconstitutional.

(02:28:05):
It is it's written in the constitution. Because this debate
happened again one hundred and sixty years ago, right.

Speaker 5 (02:28:13):
After the Civil War, there was this strong.

Speaker 3 (02:28:16):
Movement to deport black.

Speaker 11 (02:28:18):
People from this country.

Speaker 3 (02:28:20):
We're seeing right.

Speaker 11 (02:28:21):
Now people who have legitimate citizenship in this country being deported.

Speaker 3 (02:28:28):
He talked about in the past.

Speaker 11 (02:28:30):
Week, those who have he's used this incident, you know
that happened in Washington with the National Guard woman from
West Virginia to say we're gonna look.

Speaker 3 (02:28:43):
At people who have green cards.

Speaker 4 (02:28:45):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:28:46):
So I think, you know again, MAGA means make America
white again.

Speaker 3 (02:28:53):
And they're doing it at.

Speaker 11 (02:28:54):
The browning with brown people. They're gonna, I think, with
this birthright thing going to the Supreme Court, they're.

Speaker 6 (02:29:03):
Going to do it with black people as well.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
But let me ask you, so a twelve after top
that doctor women, wouldn't that also affect his wife, his
current wife and his son? It shover be an ankle baby.

Speaker 11 (02:29:16):
It would because by that you should the Port Milania,
and you should the Port Baron because she he was
born of an unnaturalized citizen.

Speaker 6 (02:29:29):
You know too.

Speaker 11 (02:29:30):
But I don't think but see again, you have a
corrupt administration. She came here in this country, and most
people think Epstein introduced Milania to Trunk, but that's neither
here nor there. But she came here under a genius visa,
the one that he just raised the price to one

(02:29:51):
hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (02:29:52):
By the way, so that's going.

Speaker 11 (02:29:54):
To effectively not bring needed people in this country from India.
Who are you know, frankly geniuses and engineering and so forth.
So I don't think he I think he's a criminal.
So criminals don't say what's right and what's wrong. They
just do what they want to do. And he'll probably

(02:30:16):
say what my wife is an exception or something like that.
You know, this guy lies and you know, and his
line could extend even to his family.

Speaker 1 (02:30:26):
Twelve after that, top of our family, just checking in
our guess is doctor ray Winbush from Morgan State University.
You speak to him, reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six mics online.
Three's call him from DC grand Rising Mike around with
doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 6 (02:30:42):
Grand Rise and.

Speaker 8 (02:30:42):
Doctor Wrenbush and mister Carling Neston, mister Kevin. I was
just listening to mister Leo Barrow's earlier and sometime money
might call it. We all run in the same circles
on the same radio talk shows, but I don't really
like actually know them. But one way to organize. You're
talking about organized. We had lost the way to organized.
But you make a good point too, doctor Morgan State.
It's the third largest HBCU right now. I probably would

(02:31:02):
surpass Howard and A and T. And I was invited
to an analyst and a scout. I do for the
military also too, And I was invited to the Classic
at Norfolk State University and Delaware State University and Lincoln
Field about a month ago because I have recruits going
to both schools from Deshaun and Jackson and Michael Vick.
And there were fifty thousand people that look like African

(02:31:24):
American people over there, look like this, no fighting, know nothing,
So I know that this could be done. I know
this could be done. And I was part of the
NIL committee to make sure that now people could get
money from this from the institutions. The white in pwis
but making almost twenty billion dollars a year off of
TV rights and stuff like that. If we could just

(02:31:45):
somehow convince our top athletes to come back at the
back in the day when the HBCUs and stuff, well,
we couldn't into the institutions to come back there and
get those TV rights. We could bankrupt the system puriodly.
What I'm saying as on the credit cards and stuff
like that. Obamba was a great president, you know, he
saved the institutions from the bushes and stuff like that,

(02:32:07):
and he bailed out the banks, the UH, he bailed
out the car industry, the insurance industries, in the healthcare industries.
So you know, if we stopped purchasing these credit cards
and come back to our institutions. You're talking about the
Montgomery bus boycott. This definitely me being an analysts, it
shows this will break it.

Speaker 11 (02:32:25):
No, you're absolutely correct. Wouldn't it be something? You know,
one of my fantasies is that all black scholars in
this country teaching at white institutions returns to hvc user
come to HBCUs, and all black athletes like Walter Payton
who graduated from Jackson State and Jerry Rice, all of

(02:32:46):
these differents you know back in the day, like there.

Speaker 8 (02:32:49):
Are a lot of them at a lot of them.

Speaker 6 (02:32:51):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 11 (02:32:52):
Wouldn't that be great if they came instead of playing
for Ohio State and other bags like that, come to
HBCUs exactly exactly, So we would to bring out like
you said, I know, you've got a great go over
grade get cut off.

Speaker 8 (02:33:04):
But our state, there's the state institutions, and you said
they rely so much on uh legislation and stuff like
that and who lights and stuff like that, and we
could just bring those athletes back and those type academic
scholars back and instead of going to M. I. T.
Harvard like my son went to whatever, and we bring
those great minds back back there. You look at the

(02:33:25):
old films and pictures of the old Negro leagues and
stuff like how we felt those stadiums and stuff like that.
The Europeans knew that was a market, so they said, hey,
we got into We're losing people Kentucky, all of them.
That's that's integrate them into the Major League Baseball NFL.
You know, Pritchet Power, the first black and stuff like that.
We would bankrup them. Athletics is where it is. Entertainment

(02:33:47):
is what we need to make sure more talent, parods
and other entertainers or producers bring establish those institutions and organizations,
and we could break them.

Speaker 3 (02:33:58):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (02:34:03):
But here let me tell you, fellows, this is what
my dream is, that not just our athletes come back,
but our sharp minds, our brilliant engineers and computer specialists
and doctors and lawyers. Instead of working for them, you know,
one day wake up and say we're gonna work for
black folks. We're no longer going to work for you.
We're coming off the old plantation. We're gonna We're gonna

(02:34:23):
do for self like the other groups do. That's that's
the dream I want to see. You know, fine with
the athletes, but these sharp We have some brilliant brothers
and sisters and you know this doctor Winwish, but they're
not working for us. And if we could get them
to just say, hey, I'm coming home. Even Clarence Thomas,
wake up one day and all of the things that

(02:34:44):
he's done against us, start voting in it correctly for us.
I just mean every black person, even to adous folks,
you know, wake up one day and say, listen, I'm
gonna start supporting black people. Do you know what what
what a change that would be on this planet? If
that would happen, it would be.

Speaker 11 (02:35:02):
It would be the shot found you know, heard around
the world, as they say, it would inspire us to
be more pan africanistic. It would it would consolidate our wealth.

Speaker 3 (02:35:15):
Uh might just outline.

Speaker 11 (02:35:17):
It would do a variety of things. It would put
our brains together so that we could collaborate more, you know, easier.
You know, people like Cornell West and others should come home,
you know, you know, come home to an HBCU. You know,
I say what I want to in my classroom at

(02:35:38):
Morgan State and make sure that my students get a
heavy dose of black history and black psychology that I teach,
and you know, and I don't have to worry about
one of the students running to the dean and say,
you know what doctor Wimbush said or whatever like that.

Speaker 3 (02:35:55):
There's a freedom at an HBCU.

Speaker 11 (02:35:58):
So, you know, brains and need to come back to
these schools.

Speaker 1 (02:36:02):
Brains and broad got you eighteen at the top there.
We gotta step aside. Thanks, Mike. We gotta takes Yeah,
we have to step aside, Mike, we gotta take a
quick break. We're running late here. I thank you for
your call though. Eight hundred and four five zero seventy
eight to seventy six got folks cross the country. I
want to speak to doctor Wimbush. You two can join
the list. Just reach out to us and we'll take it.
Calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with

(02:36:24):
us on this Monday morning, this first day of December.
It's twenty two minutes after the top day. Our guest
is doctor Ray Wimbush. He teaches at Morgan State University,
and Brother Jay is calling from Chicago wants to speak
with him, Brother Jays online four, Grand Rising, Brother j
I'm with Dr Wimbush, is Jay Brother j Online four?

(02:36:45):
All right, Kevin, let's move on to line five and
let's go to Robert in Kansas City. Doctor Wimbush, are
us still you're there?

Speaker 3 (02:36:59):
Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (02:37:01):
Okay, I'm not hearing from Brother Jail. Let's let's keep
going down the line. Hopefully they're don't have a phone problem.
Henry's online one calling from Baltimore. Let's try and Henry,
all right, crap, who's this?

Speaker 17 (02:37:15):
This is brother Jay. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
We can hear you now, go ahead.

Speaker 17 (02:37:20):
Okay, I was on the wrong line. I guess I
was saying hello, But hey, thank you for taking my call,
Grand Rising and uh my call is?

Speaker 8 (02:37:29):
My question is this?

Speaker 17 (02:37:31):
Can you talk a little bit about the devaluation of
those professional degrees?

Speaker 18 (02:37:37):
Uh one?

Speaker 17 (02:37:39):
Where does that leave individuals with those professional degrees? As myself,
I do have an ms W and UH two in
the future. How does that look? Is this the end
of individuals holding those degrees? Especially black women? We know

(02:38:00):
a lot of black women have those most degrees.

Speaker 6 (02:38:03):
That was targeting.

Speaker 17 (02:38:04):
But yeah, if you could talk about that, I appreciate
it greatly and thank you. I truly appreciate you guys.

Speaker 4 (02:38:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:38:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:38:13):
I mean there's been a devaluation of college in general
under the Trump administration, not only in this one his
administration now, but in the first one as well, he said,
and you know, higher education people pay attention to this.
He said that some of the money that goes to
federal grants to places like Harvard ought to go into

(02:38:36):
two year institutions, the community colleges. I have nothing to
say bad about community colleges, but the research on most
universities occur at you know, with federal funds. Community colleges
are really, you know, kind.

Speaker 3 (02:38:57):
Of training grounds. And I think in general that there's
this movement, you know.

Speaker 11 (02:39:04):
Musk has said it that in the future, people aren't
going to be working and they don't have to decide
what their leisure time is all about. And I think
the robotics and people like Muz have this dream that
the American worker and workers in general around the world
will not be needed. So that's one of the reason

(02:39:27):
why college education is being the value.

Speaker 3 (02:39:30):
Right now, much of.

Speaker 11 (02:39:33):
The people on the right have you know, spoke in
disparaging ways about you know, colleges and it. I don't
think it's any accident that Trump has attacked universities like
Columbia and Harvard and so forth because he wants to
demean them and bring them under control. Because that's where

(02:39:55):
people not learn to think, but to think more broadly
about a bigger world than what Trump lives in. So
I think there's a devaluation of the degree. I think
that educators have to learn how to bring down tuition
cause because right now, you know, the cost of a

(02:40:15):
higher education at a four year institution is almost it
is prohibited. People forget that before Ronald Reagan became governor
of California, the education, higher education in California was free.

Speaker 3 (02:40:30):
And when Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 11 (02:40:31):
Said let's do that again, people you know think it's
a radical idea, and it is a radical not at all.

Speaker 1 (02:40:40):
Well, let me jump in and ask you this. I
thank you, brother Jay. Let me ask you this question, though,
doctor Wember She said, what are they going to do
if all these folks they got increasing on a half
jobs for them at must is trying to replace everybody
with the robots. What's going to happen to the folks
that that that, you know, start holding their diplomas and
they no jobs? What are you going to do with them?

Speaker 11 (02:41:00):
Well, you know, it's a good question, Carl, because I
don't know. I mean, there's discussions of college campuses right
now about whether or not there'll be an AI university
that does not have professors because AI knows everything, and
that you would have AI's geared towards majoring in English

(02:41:21):
and majoring in languages or biology or engineering. So I mean,
there's those discussions occur on university and you you know,
we see that the work of hours, you know, weekly
hours have been reduced because the unions over the past.

Speaker 3 (02:41:42):
Century, you know, eighty hour week down to forty hours.

Speaker 11 (02:41:47):
There's you know, discussion now about thirty five hour work.
We've bet what is the end result?

Speaker 3 (02:41:54):
You know, how is that going to end?

Speaker 11 (02:41:56):
What if there is no jobs to go.

Speaker 3 (02:41:59):
To because of robotics.

Speaker 11 (02:42:01):
I mean, and I don't want to sound like I
talked about science fiction, but it's a very real possibility
AI is replacing legal assistance right now because there's not
anybody at Morgan State or any other university that doesn't
use AI, you know, I use it, you know, and
it replaces It's like having an assistant that knows everything.

(02:42:27):
And so I think that, you know, there has to
be a you know, maybe you should get a futurist
on that talks about what happens when there's.

Speaker 3 (02:42:36):
No work left for human beings and it's all given
over to AI and robotics.

Speaker 1 (02:42:43):
Yeah, it'll all become useless eaters. And we know how
that ends. Twenty eight away from the top of the hour,
Roberts calling from Kansas City's online five Grand rising Robert
Dion with doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 18 (02:42:56):
Yes, Sir Gray, rising as it relates to Venezuela rape,
Mister Winbush. If I'm a Venezuelan and I got one
hundred pounds of cocaine and one hundred pounds of cent
in al, there's no way that I can get these
drugs distributed onto the streets of America, Not unless I
can get an American to buy these drugs for pennies

(02:43:18):
on the dollars and distribute these drugs on the streets
of America. But for some reason, doctor Wynn Bush, no
Americans ever seem to get arrested in these altercations, and
it reminds me of when and it reminds me of
when Cash to Tail was talking about this this gambling
probe where he posted the faces and the pictures of

(02:43:41):
the black players, but not once did he ever post
the pictures of the faces are the names of the
mafia office.

Speaker 6 (02:43:49):
So what's going on with Venezuela.

Speaker 11 (02:43:52):
Well, you know, I think it's oil, just like you
know said earlier and then shows that. I think that's
why there's these discussions of about, you know, let's do
something to Nigeria, Let's do something to Venezuela, and let
me strengthen my ties with Saudi. Cash Potato is a joke.
Of all the people in the administration, he and probably

(02:44:16):
Hegstaph are the least qualified for the positions that they, uh,
you know hold. And you can see the destruction of
the FBI. I mean, some of this stuff, you know,
what goes around turns around because you know Fred Hampson
Hampton's assassination date is coming up in a just a

(02:44:37):
few days, which the FBI helped Orchestry. But you know,
you know, you've got to look at the administration that
at its foundation is to make America white again and
recruiting people of color like cash for Tail and Pete

(02:44:59):
Hegstaff and that Christy Gnome and Bondie, all of these people,
they are basically at the bottom of white supremacists, including
their bars. So we have to analyze it this way.
And I think sometimes I'm frustrated when I look at
media right now when they will say things like without

(02:45:23):
proof rather than saying that he lied again. So I
think that we've got to analyze it through the lens
of somebody who is aware of how white supremacy works,
and many of us don't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:45:37):
All right, twenty nine away from the top the Jeane
so something actually's online? Sixty is coming from Pikesville in Maryland.
Grand Rising, Genir, question for doctor Wimbush, Yeah, Grand.

Speaker 15 (02:45:47):
Rising, Guys, what's my question is rhetorical? Feel familiar with
the book The Souls of Black First Folks?

Speaker 8 (02:45:55):
W E. B. D.

Speaker 11 (02:45:56):
Boys Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (02:45:59):
Okay, so, sir.

Speaker 7 (02:46:00):
In chapter two is a chapter where W. E. D.

Speaker 15 (02:46:03):
Boyce explains whether HBCU is in the executive Orders that
Abram Lincoln created after the Civil War to educate or,
as H. R. Brown would say, to train black people.

Speaker 6 (02:46:16):
So I mentioned h.

Speaker 7 (02:46:17):
Track Brown because you know he died uh beast week
right right, And one of his keynote speaks speeches was
the difference between education and training, and there is a difference,
so you know, I just want to bring that up. Also,
this is a as far as.

Speaker 15 (02:46:38):
AI is concerned.

Speaker 6 (02:46:39):
Do you do you think this is the second uh
what was it called the.

Speaker 3 (02:46:46):
Industrial Revolution?

Speaker 11 (02:46:49):
Well, you know, I think AI right now could potentially
be the most dangerous thing that was ever intended because
it tastes all knowledge and that's the only way to
describe it. Everything that's on the internet, everything that we
know about everything, and someone is probably going to invent

(02:47:09):
if they're not already doing it. You know that will
these machines become what they're called sinning it? You know
that they understand AI, understand what it is a machine
and whether or not, you know, human beings are necessary.
And again, I know this sounds like a sci fi

(02:47:31):
movie right now, but it's we debate on campuses and
stuff like that. And the other thing that you mentioned
earlier about the Souls of Black Folks Chapter three. The
boys wrote in that book, which was must reading when
I was teaching at Fists University. You know, the chapters

(02:47:53):
entil are mister Booker, T. Washington and others. And you know,
the great debate between the boys and Washington about what
was the nature of you know, higher education for black people.
The Boys obviously felt they should be trained in all
aspects you know, so called liberal arts education, and you know,

(02:48:16):
and Washington being that we should be, you know, put
our bucket down. Where what did he say in the
ninety sixth speech, you know, eighteen ninety six speech where
he said, you know, put your bucket down and separate
but equal and all of that. You know, that we
should be trained to work in the workforce for white folks.

(02:48:36):
I disagree with and have always disagreed with Washington said,
although he did build an institution, which is also very important.
So those debates still echo throughout higher education Black higher
education in the United States.

Speaker 1 (02:48:54):
All right, thank you. The twenty six away from the Top.
Rick's calling ex wants to speak to doctor. She's calling
from Montreal. He's online three grand rising. Rick here with
doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 5 (02:49:05):
Greetings, greetings, see you both. Uh you know, I often
look at this our situation, uh like we've missed.

Speaker 3 (02:49:16):
The bus.

Speaker 5 (02:49:19):
And so what do you do when you're expected form
of transportation. You get to see its tail lights going
down the road, and that was the last one for
that day. You got two options. You can go back
to home and try to make another plan, or you

(02:49:39):
start walking to get to where it is you got
to go.

Speaker 6 (02:49:44):
You know, back when.

Speaker 5 (02:49:45):
Elijah Muhammad, you said, uh, explain to us the necessity
of us developing a nation within a nation, and some
people some people accepted, many did not, and we end
up in the very situation that he warned us would

(02:50:07):
occur if we did not follow that path. We're like,
we've missed that bus. Back when Missus Winbush was talking
earlier about back in the twenties and thirties and forties,
when we had galvanization among our people. We were dissatisfied then,

(02:50:28):
as many of us don't seem to be nearly as
Sasside nowadays. We just want to make money and we
forget Carl, We forget that when you're on your in
God forbid it comes to this point. But when you're
on your dying bed, the last thing that you're gonna
want is more money. What you will want is affection

(02:50:52):
and love and tenderness. And possibly even healing.

Speaker 6 (02:50:57):
We've missed that bus.

Speaker 5 (02:50:58):
Man, you know, I look at it with that analogy
that I've introduced with We've got two options. We can
either develop ourselves into being really good slaves, because that's
what America is. I don't care what is it you do.
You're a slave. If you're a college, you're teaching their
history and're not teaching our history. And I'm not specifically

(02:51:21):
talking about mister Wimbush because I know him personally, remember
running board missus Wimbus. But I do realize that we
are at a very critical part of our existence. That's
how traumatic this thing is when I look at TV

(02:51:43):
or something and I see the expressions of people and
the lack of.

Speaker 8 (02:51:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:51:53):
We got a step aside, but I thank you for
your call on Let's let doctor Wimbush, he says, we're
at an inflection point. Doctor Wembush, We've got to make
a t so I'll let you respond to Rick's question.
Thank you Rick. From reaching out to us from Montreal family,
you could do the same thing. You can hit us
up at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six and we'll take a phone calls.

Speaker 11 (02:52:11):
Next Black folk usually are the last people to adopt
the technology, and then when we do adopt it, we
go all out with it. And you can see this
with I mean, you know earlier technology sins as the compact,
this cassettes. We were not the first to adopt those things,
but we used them once we did. The key thing

(02:52:34):
now is to say, look, we need to be in
the front of adoption and creation as well, not just
adopting it, but creating some of that technology, which we
have done in the past with a lot of inventions
that black folk has done. So I think it's a
daily work. I think that wherever you are, you have

(02:52:54):
to use the technology. I'm trouble when I hear black folk,
you know, say things like if they're older, will I
just don't deal with any of that technology. I don't
want to hear about AI, you know, just leave me
alone about it. I'm trouble when I hear that. And
I think that regardless of your age, and if you're black,
you should be keeping up with technology, adopting it, using it,

(02:53:19):
and eventing it.

Speaker 1 (02:53:21):
Gotcha. I agree totally. Dr Wimbush was just flating out
of time and apolgisted a chance to call you. Yeah,
it goes by real fast.

Speaker 3 (02:53:30):
That was sad.

Speaker 1 (02:53:32):
How go Are you availed to talk to people on campus?

Speaker 11 (02:53:36):
Yes, I am if they call me at four four
three eight eight five forty eight hundred, that's four four
three eight eighty five forty eight hundred.

Speaker 3 (02:53:45):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (02:53:45):
Several callers always called me after the show. You can
also follow me on Facebook, ray Winbush. Just go to
ray Winbush and follow me there. And I try to
answer all of my email.

Speaker 1 (02:54:00):
All right, and thank you, thank you what you do
for us. Thank you for all the information you shared
with us this morning, Doctor Wimbush.

Speaker 11 (02:54:06):
Okay, thank you, keepboard, good work, take care.

Speaker 1 (02:54:09):
Thanks doctor Wimbersch. That was doctor Ray wimbers from Morgan
Stea University. Family. And that's it for the day. Class
is dismissed. And stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in
Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV
on fourteen fifty WOL

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