Dr. Tyrone Powers, Dr. Keith Crawford & Kim Poole on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week
with us again. Later, former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers.
Tyrone Powers will be here in our classroom. Doctor Powers
will analyze the recent meeting of the nation's top generals
and members of the Trump administration. Doctor Powers will also
discuss the role of FBI agents and other law enforcement
agencies supporting the ICE agents on the streets of our cities.

(00:23):
For doctor Powers, though, scientists and medical doctor Keith Crawford
will explain why prostate cancer disproportionately impacts black men. To
get us started though this Monday morning, Baltimore betavist Kim
Poole will join us momentarily, but let's get Kevin to
open the classroom door for us. Grand Rising Kevin, Welcome
to brand new week.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hey, Grand Rising Carl Nelson Man, we're feeling victorious this morning,
all of us commanders fans.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
What can I say?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Twenty seven ten on this Monday, the sixth of October.
It's a great feeling when the commanders win. It's all
I can say.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It shows and it was a great game too, because
you know they came for it behind, so it looked good.
I mean, I know people have their doubts, but I'm
sure Commanders fans all along knew that they would pull
it out. But you know, for a while they look
kind of iffy, but they did pull it out.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, I must admit that I fell asleep during during
the losing part of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Ye know. The comeback was great? Uh and bread then again,
the Chargers helped the quarterback throwing a pick in the
dying moments. It didn't help either, so happened.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, oh oh, I see.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's always good to see an interception though, and that's
exciting in football.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well, that depends on what team you're on. I'm sure
Charges fans were Charges fans were probably mightily upset because
they were down there close to the goal line and
they did you throw a pick? Lie? Why don't you
just run the ball in? I mean you just who
made that call? I mean, come, the quarterback do a snake?
Couldn't he hand it off? Couldn't you keep running? But
he threw and he threw a pick, and he kept
throwing when they were down there and near the end

(01:58):
so on, So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So you know, newsflash, they got those coaches on the
side for a reason, right, And they say do the
run opposed to the past, and so they've got to
do that. And so meanwhile, it was good news for
the hometown team. And you know, that's all I'm saying.
But look, I did not ask how are you feeling,

(02:22):
my brother?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Oh oh, to my microphone. I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm
still learning the microphone. Turn on the microphone. But here
here too. You know, we got to credit the Commander's
defense as well, because they did that goal. Lion stand
was really incredible. So yeah, so you got to credit
them this round, right, right, because.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
They are envisioning being in the playoffs and and winning
the championship this year.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
They're envisioning it. So that's how you manifest things.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know, you think positively and you continually work consistently
in that direction.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's that's the way I see it, man.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
But Kevin, meanwhile, up the road, the Ravens have some problems.
You know, they lost to the Texans forty fourteen. They
I'm not sure you know, the prior the start of
the season, people were talking about playoffs and they were
all excited, hit by a couple of injuries and stuff,
and they've just lost another game and next week, uh,

(03:22):
who they play next week. I'm not sure they play
the Rams next week, so play La Rams next week,
while the Commanders will play Baltimore. So you know, those
are the games for next week. So you know, like news,
that's that's over, Like the coaches that will tell them
that after today when they come back to practice on Tuesday.
Forget about that. Let's let's look for the upcoming games.

(03:44):
For the Commanders, they play Chicago and also the Ravens
are going to play La Rams, so it's y yeah,
forget about that, you know, and the Chiefs and the
Jaguars tonight for all the football fans, you know, Kansas
City chief and the Jacksonville Jaggers in the Monday night
football game.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Anyway, this isn't a sports report, broh.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Let's talk about the government shut down.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now, yeah, let's talk about the shutdown, Kevin, what is.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Going on with that? Come on, Congress, get to act together.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's the fifth day of the government shut down, and
there's a little sign of progress as federal employees across
the country and other Americans begin to feel the effects. Meanwhile,
President Donald Trump has embraced the political battle. He tow
CNN that Republicans are winning and express confidence and a

(04:35):
positive outcome, though quiet concerns have emerged in his orbit
about political damage from the set down.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
And you know, let me tell me, here's the second Keviny.
You know, he's telling CNN that, but all the polls
show that most people blame the Republicans for the shutdown.
So he's trying to reverse that narrative because all the polls,
every single poll now blames the Republicans for the shutdown.
So he gone on CNN. Hopefully he's trying to because
he can convince his followers. So he goes on to CNN,
and hopefully he convinced those folks who listen to them,

(05:04):
because you know, the country's so polarized, man, people listen
to for the most part, they just you know, they
listen if they listen to Fox. They only listen to Fox.
If you notice, you know, people call that state media.
And then people listen to CNN. Just listen to CNN
or watch CNN, say and watch Fox. So he goes
over there trying to convince them, because he'll tell his people,
we're winning, we're winning. You know, they blaming the Democrats
and the Democrats, but the posts don't show them, and

(05:27):
unfortunately many of his folks they don't. They don't research,
or they don't do anything else. They only they're locked
into that state media reporting, so they don't know the
other side of the story.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, it's it's incredible just watching this non work in Congress,
because aren't they the majority. Aren't the Republicans the majority?
All they needed was what three maybe four Democrats to
join in with them, but they lost two votes from
the Republicans about this shutdown. Meanwhile, they couldn't even walk

(06:01):
across the aisle and give a friendly gesture. In other news,
Trump tells the Navy sailors.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Well, before you go to the sailors, you know, before
you go to sales camp. This is important because I
think if they shutdown, if they a federal employees didn't
get paid as well, including Donald Trump because he's a
federal employee. I think they've come up with a solution
real quick. But they're getting paid well, many of them.
I just most of them earn more money than the

(06:29):
average American, most of them and the millionaire status who
represent us on Capitol Hill. So that's that's one instant.
And then the ripple effect that this takes you know,
if you can't pay your rent, your car note, or
you're going to be late, it's going to be on
your credit. That means the cleaners doesn't get paid. He
he's got to slow, he's got he's got to pay
his employees. So the ripple effect that the people, the

(06:49):
people aren't talking about the shutdown is to the economy.
But go ahead, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
True, that's true, Carl.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
We don't want to overlook the fact that you know,
it's it's paycheck to paycheck and yet there's no paycheck coming.
So that can definitely cause quite an effect on people
that are shut off that I shut down, but they're
part of the shutdown right now and with no end

(07:17):
in sight. It's just unreal it's surrealistic.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Is that a good word for it.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
So, getting back to the Navy, you know, because being
a former Navy guy myself, the President told the service
members who may be concerned about their pay during the shutdown, now,
don't worry, don't worry about it. We will get our
service members every last penny. That's what he said. And
he's got a big round of applause and cheers from

(07:46):
the crowd. While addressing the attendees of the two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary of the United States Navy in my
home area, Norfolk, Virginia. It's all coming, he says, it's coming,
and even more because I'm supporting the across the board
pay raises for every sailor and a service member in
the United States Armed Services.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
What do you think of that? Well, they applaud that.
But on the other hand, too, he's talked about he's
gonna a good chance for me to fire some federal workers,
people who work for the Federal Gunnery. They're gonna do
their jobs. He's going to use this opportunity and he's
gonna even push through to make some changes during this
they shut down. If you will that that it would
be hard for the Democrats whenever the shutdown is over

(08:30):
to reverse. So those are things you got to keep
an eye. And I'm sure that the people in the
Navy applaud that they're going to get a raise, and
you know, we'll see. You know, he's made a lot
of promises. We can recall some of the promises he
made earlier. It's going to stop the war in twenty
four hours. Hasn't stopped the war yet. Some of the
promise he made when he was on the campaign trail.

(08:51):
So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
And meanwhile, it's still continually playing the blame game.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
It wasn't me, it was them.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It wasn't us, it was them, it wasn't them, it
was their mindset.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's it's just incredible, man.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
But you know what came. That's interesting that you say that,
because at some point you've got to take self responsibility.
You can't find Biden. You know, everything it's Biden's it's
even oh a bomber, it's Biden.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
So even if it is even if you could pin
the mistake or whatever the problem on buying, you can't
do it. All the time. You've been in there now
quite a bit. You've can effect changed that you said
you're going. She still can't be using that excuse. So
it just botherles the mind that people some people will
still buy that and it's still using that crutches. It's

(09:38):
Biden's economy. It's a Biden who did this? Is by
you know, it's just man, come on, what did you do?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You know you signed up for the gig to be
a leader.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Now lead, So I'm gonna say that's the way it
is coll because we could go on and on with this.
It's the sixth of October six twelve, and we've got
Kim Poole's standing. Thanks for your time.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Thanks Kevin. Thanks you keep us updated on what's going
on in the world. This morning, family, let's bring in
our next guest. She's a cultural if you will, or
reparations advocate coming out of Baltimore. Kim Pool. Welcome back
to the program.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Wow, thank you, Carl. I didn't realize reparations was added
to my title.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Now.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
I guess our organization has done an awful lot this
year in light of the fact that this is the
African Union's Year of reparations and reparatory justice for Africans
on the continent and in the diaspoor where we are,
and I think now it's important for us to realize

(10:43):
that connection between your work or our work, whatever work
you're doing, being able to find it on that reparatory
justice a healing spectrum. I think it is important. So
I guess it's okay if you add that to the title.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh, of course, But you've got some reporting to tell
us about what have you been up to.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
My god, it's been several months since I've been on
the show, I honestly don't even know when to start.
Since we got back in May or maybe during June tenth,
we've literally, as an organization's circumnavigated the Pan African world
this year. In July, we went to Malabo, Equatorial Guinea

(11:27):
by the invitation of the African Union ECHOSAK, the Economic,
Social and Cultural Council, and I was invited invited there
to speak about what is our reparatory future. I think
that is maybe one of the major disconnects between those
that within our community. I'm just talking about us talking
to us global African people having this discussion around reparatory

(11:51):
justice and healing. What is it that is owed to us?
But what do we owe ourselves? Where's the line between
acknowledging what has happened to us and how that has
potectually continued to affect us because of maybe even some
of the malady within us, what we now contribute to

(12:11):
the problem. So on the continent, they're focused on the
illicit flow of resources out of the continent. They're focused
on things that are what I call triage, you know,
life or death situations like the war in Congo or
in Sudan and the civil wars that still arise sometimes
in Ethiopia. Whereas the reparations advocates that in large part

(12:35):
have been training me over the years, the ones that
I've worked with even in recent years, like doctor Royan Daniels, etc.
They're talking about what happened, you know, five hundred years ago.
They're talking about the progenitors of the oppression that we
are overcoming with the Roman Catholic Church in fourteen fifty

(12:55):
two and the Papa Bulls, and so they're wondering on
the continent, how can we reconcile and digest that when
we just trying to get through the day. But for me,
as an artist working in both regions, I can relate
to both stories because I'm the living proof and embodiment
of both. I'm from Baltimore. We are just trying to

(13:16):
get through the day. We are trying to survive. Many
of the young people in Park Heights, where our teaching Artists, Institute,
Artists and residence is based, they're just trying to get
through the day. So I know what it's like to
have to overcome and survive on a daily basis with
the daily grind and still have to be future oriented.
But what we know in the African worldview is that past,

(13:38):
present and future is the same time. Our ancestors are
present our future, we're developing it now and we are
the living bridge between past and present, embodying that moment.
And art helps to reinforce that. And so this past
July in Malaibo in Equatorial Guinea, we had conversations around

(13:59):
the heritage future and I did that alongside even the
new leadership of the African Union in there. What they
call the architecture, the infratecture, infrastructure and Architecture of government
a g A is what they call it. And so
I'm still learning about all the organs and uh, you know,

(14:21):
I get thanks and I'm humbled to be able to
learn on the job and knowing that I'm prepared because
of this ancient bloodline that runs through me for anything
that's given, and I always get thanks for the opportunity.
In the next month in August, honestly, I've been in Ghana.
In between Ghana, Uganda and Kenya, we had incredible conversations

(14:43):
with the Church of Uganda. What I said is, how
can we take what is really abstract reparations? How can
we take it out of the hands of only governments,
h you know, government to civil society conversations and bring
in other actors U that had benefited.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
And so we had a co Kim holder.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Though right there, we're gonna step aside for a few
moments and we come back. I'll let you finish telling
your story. But also I want you to, you know,
talk about the fact how do they treat you because
you know here when one of our folks, if they
get have a meeting with a person from Africa, they
use that and say all Africans, every African on the continent,
if they had a disappointed relationship with it, we're on
African But how did they treat you because you were there,

(15:25):
you representing us? So I want to get your thoughts
as well as well as all the events and countries
that you visited. Family, you two can get in on
this conversation with Kim Poole. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next. Thank Grand Rising family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning.
I guess is a Baltimore active is Kim Pool Kim
give us an update on the culture reparations mission that

(15:48):
she's been on. So, Kim, i'm' let you finish your
thought and then also, you know, tell us about the
reaction or that you received all these different African nations
that you visited. How did they react to you?

Speaker 7 (16:02):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (16:02):
So I was telling you that we this past late summer,
we went to Uganda and we're literally at the point
in our organization's mission and cultural reparations where we're meeting
with faith leaders and interfaith bodies around land return. And
so that is, in my opinion and now on behalf

(16:24):
of our organization, a really concrete way to begin to
engage you know, faith based leadership. The Roman Catholic Church
is one of the largest landholders globally, and so if
they would simply begin to give the land back to
the people in ways that can be managed cooperatively, we
see this as a healthy step in the right direction

(16:46):
for our repair to future. But you asked, how do
they treat me? Honestly, it's not as this. I don't
understand the tribalism that I've gone into when I enter
the continent because sometimes we over romanticize what Africa is
while we were enslaved and overcoming enslavement and the diaspora

(17:10):
on the continent, they were colonized. And it's one thing
when you can always say to yourself, man, if they
had just left me at home, everything would be all right,
all our problems would be solved, had they never just
picked me up. It's another thing when somebody comes into
your own house and tells you that your language isn't
good enough, that your religion isn't good enough, that you know,

(17:31):
Jay Fran the Francophone mindset that colonization. If I can
be a good Frenchman France Finan's black skinned white mask,
if I.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Can just be the best Frenchman, speak, the best friend.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Then I'll be better. That inferiority complex and it is
what I think perpetuates the tribalism, the need to separate.
And so when I go to the continent, I get it.
You know, I'm gonna tribe the same way that they
create everybody else. But for me, I think it's fair,
right I am in a tribe. I'm black. We didn't

(18:04):
stop being African when they picked me up against my
will and brought me to these shores. In the diaspora,
you know, I understand that we came before Columbus, but
I'm talking about this new institution that my direct bloodline
is connected to. And so we still developed a culture
within a culture here on this soil, and so we

(18:24):
do have our own tribe. And I know, you know
a lot of people when they go to Africa, they
become more African. They take on African names and sometimes
African religions, and that connects them closer to the africanity.
But what connected me closer to my Africanity was when
I went to Africa, it made me more Black. I
started seeing the Africanity in the institutions that I developed

(18:47):
as a part of my lineax like the family reunion.
This summer, I had my own family reunion. We do
it bi annually. That's so African of us to want
to gather that way, and so it made me appreciate that.
And when I come to the continent, they see me
as a part of the family. Now, our organization we're
a decade old. We've been working in these regions for

(19:08):
ten years now, and it's something about passion when it
meets consistency that African people and the continent respect because
they're so accustomed to people being fly by night to
come in and doing a lot of talk and not
doing the work. But we're boots on the ground in
each region where we work. When we do our cultural
immersions and our study abroad programs and facilitate that cross

(19:31):
cultural exchange. We're only doing that in regions where we
work all year long. And I think it makes a
difference in how they show up when they greet you
at that border and.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
You land all right twenty five to the top there. Bob
and Buffalo wants to speak were the he's online too,
grand Ris and Bobby ay just a king pool.

Speaker 9 (19:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:50):
Sure. I want to give it a shit to sister Kim.
I want to say thank you for visiting Buffalo, and
there's an open invitation to come back and reminder that
working together truly does work. So let's work together. Come
on back, says we're looking forward to your return.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Wow, that's so special. I'm definitely a Buffalo soldier. I
love Black Buffalo. I had no idea the community was
so vibrant, But when I learned about the history there
being there on that corridor, it just reminded me that
there's a Baltimore in every city and it's time for
us to connect the dots. Now is the time for

(20:29):
us to stop thinking hypothetically and theoretically and begin to
test out and practice these theories. We have to be organizers,
and so thank you for following the journey, and please
like us on Facebook, stay connected and figure out how
to come and be involved. I want to come back
to Baltimore. I want to bring the young people back
to Buffalo, and I want you to also consider what

(20:51):
it would look like for Buffalo to begin to travel
to other regions where we work our Teaching Artists Institute.
We work in nine countries, seven of which are on
the continent, and it's easier for us to go with
the blue passports and for many of the countries to
come to us.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
So we're going to have to be.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
The ones to go to them. And don't believe the
hype Old Trump is going to close the borders. We
need to stop being distracted by what's happening in the
media and what's being said to us. This is our moment,
this is our opportunity to really operationalize Pan Africanism if
we pay attention.

Speaker 10 (21:25):
Yes, just working together it does work. So let's work
together glasses.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
All right, thanks Bob. Speaking about that, Kim, did you
get any reaction folks, any political issues, you know, the
fact that what's going on in the Trump administration for
any of your travels.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, we're the lossing stock of the world. Whenever I
meet someone that's working to develop policy on the continent.
First of all, it's important that we bring artists to
decision making tables, and so that's a barrier in and
of itself, the fact that I am I'm a traditional artist,
and that is the lens from which I work, and
so it's usually innovative at best and uncomfortable in the

(22:08):
worst case scenarios when I come to leadership development tables
or policy making tables. But even after they get over
that shock, the next haha is that, oh, you're from
the divided States. You're the lastest stock of the world.
Let us throw out a joke about Agent Orange or Trump.
They've gotten so clever and so you know they, I mean,

(22:29):
they've crafted all types of jokes. And so after we
laugh it off, we laugh to keep from crying because
we start to think about the hegemony of.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
The English language and we think about.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
The juggernaut that has been American politics around the world,
the militarization, the fast music, fast cars, fast food that's
really destroying every other region, and the need for us
to move beyond that as the center focus of our trajectory.
We can no longer as a community be reactionary. And
for me as an artist, you know, I'm very emotion

(23:00):
You know, we lead from passion, and so we love
to see the momentum that passion brings. But if we
took that same passionate energy and put it towards developing
our reparative future. When we have ninety percent of the
best minds only reacting to what's being given to us,
responding to the stimuli of someone else's agenda, we'll never

(23:21):
be prepared for our world remaking exercise. Reparations is a
world remaking exercise, and that takes creativity. We have to
get prepared for that process, and so we need ninety
percent of the best minds to be focused on what's next,
not preoccupied with what's put into the media. I heard
the conversation where me tell me.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
In for a second before we go down that street,
can do they sort of identify you with Donald Trump
and what he's doing or they understand that you're not
with that.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
No, no, no, they get it. The world sees us
in South Africa. They greet you in the Zulu nation
with soul Buona. That's it's literal translation is I see
you and saul Buna is present. They understand clearly that
you are not the America that we're talking about. That's
why we look at us, Kim. We can laugh about

(24:13):
this together, can't we. But the truth is is that
I was the first stop on Wall Street, and this
America is a sinking ship. And when the rise and
decline of this empire goes down, we're going to be
on the bottom barrel of this ship the same way
we were when they brought us here against our will,
if we don't figure out strategies. So I laugh to
keep from crying. Because though they see me as a

(24:36):
way in a part of the institution that is America,
I am American, I'm African American. My ancestors, blood, sweat
and tears built this country and my family lived here.
I'm from Baltimore. And so as much as we travel
as an organization and every other region that we work,
when the dollar goes down in Ghana, that means higher
bills for us as an organization that is resourcing that area.

(25:00):
And though we're working cooperatively and we're building structures where
we're working, you know, as a cultural cooperative, that is
still a trajectory that's being actualized in real time. And
so I don't think they truly understand that. I too,
sing America and what that love hate relationship is like,
because even as a people, we're still trying to understand it.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
It's like being.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Married to an abusive husband. It's like, I can't divorce you.
Everybody looks at me and they're like, why don't you
just leave him? But it's like, listen, that's my house,
that where the kids are. I can't burn it down.
I still live inside.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Wow, that's an answer analogy right there that you put kid,
and you put it right on the money at thirty
thirty minutes after the top down. Because I have this conversation,
you sort of do the dry bond it about you know,
the tipping point of it as far as this country
is and may go down, And some of the folks
were the conversation was centered on, so what do we
do because you know, Rome went down the British the

(25:58):
United Kingdom. For you, it went down and still they
survived after it. So what do we what move it for?
And these are the questions you're asking me, And I
figured i'd ask you, what do you think some of
the things we should be doing if it does happen?
Because people are predicting that it's going to happen. But
what do we do as black folks? We're here, Like
you said, we're sort of conflicted because we're here and
we're not here. We're we're part of it, we're not

(26:18):
part of it, and that's part of the confusion. So
just your thoughts, your personal thoughts. What do we do?
Do we run? Do we stay?

Speaker 10 (26:25):
Or what?

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Well? I think it's both and first and foremost, we
have to use the techniques that our ancestors always used,
our elders always used. My grandmother's ninety three year old
you know, she still grows her own cucumbers and tomato,
She still makes her own jelly, she still jars peaches,
and she eats seasonally. All of these lessons that our

(26:48):
ancestors had no choice but to do. In order to survive.
We need to take chapters from their books and re
implement them. Living cooperatively has always been our way, but
in generations we've become individualized. We've become individuals. We've got
all these friends on Facebook. We haven't seen real people
in years. I mean some of us have been inside

(27:11):
since COVID and we never came back outside. Community is
foundational for our survival and as an organization with the
Teaching Artists Institute, we work locally, so not just in
Baltimore trying to connect East Baltimore to over west West Baltimore.
Not trying to encourage young people in Baltimore to get
on the train, on the March Train and go down

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to DC just to see a look, it's not that
far away, just five dollars. We're also doing that same
work around the world. We're trying to be that living
bridge to say you don't have to figure it out
on your own. Let us do the feasibility study. If
you do need a life rasp out of here, let
us help you be the one that can help navigate

(27:54):
that journey. And so we think that it's going to
be relationships that sustain us. That has always been our way,
and we've gotten away from that, but we need to
take a chapter from our Grandparents' book.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Good Advice here twenty get Away from the top of
our Kareem's Calling from Baltimore is online too, grand Rising
caremea on with Kim Poole.

Speaker 11 (28:17):
He's doing but the call. I am a part of
a community organization in Baltimore, Sandtown, Winchester, So I really
would like to kind of connect with you, So if
you could share your information. I got there. I gotta
have your teacher artist Institute. But other than that, and
I'm at work, so I want to try to connect
with you at some point in the future, So if

(28:38):
you can share that, and I appreciate your work because
it's so vitally needia. So thank you call, Thank you, sister.
Y'all have a great day. Few things powerful because we
are great piece all.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Right, Thanks Gream and Kim youse this opportunity to tell
us about your your organization as well.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Yes, Satan Wilchester, I mean Winchester, I mean that the
history in that community. I would love to connect with you.
We're in northwest Baltimore and Park Heights on Oswego. That's
where our artists and residents property is and we're expanding
to repopulate the Oswego Corridor with the Oswego Seeds and
heal from the inside out. We use art as a

(29:18):
tool for social transformation. Please follow us on Facebook, Facebook
dot com, slash Teaching Artists one word, Facebook dot com
slash Teaching Artists one word. And we're a cultural cooperative.
We sustain ourselves by providing cultural immersion, study abroad, cross
cultural exchange, traditional tourism, and we're trying to scale our

(29:41):
vision to begin to own our own infrastructure. When we
take you to a region, we want to own the
property that we allow you to accommodate yourself, and we
want to own the transportation.

Speaker 7 (29:52):
I don't know if we're.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Going to get the planes, but we can at least
get a few black bands. Can we get the Black
Star line?

Speaker 6 (29:58):
Right?

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Can we get a boat together collectively? I think it's possible. Right,
we can at least get to the Caribbean. Can we
get down to Cuba? Rest in peace, Mama, aside of
shakor my birthday twins, I think it's possible for us
to own our own infrastructure. So that's where we're scaling
our vision to you. We would certainly love to work
with you and saying how Winchester. Maybe we can get

(30:19):
you up to Park Heights and you can also call
me listen four four three seven three nine zero nine
four one. It's no secret. That's the phone by the
bed left. Stay in touch, all.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Right, Thanks Green for checking in with us, Sister Camp.
Many of our folks don't have a passport, and right
now the government shut down. What do you say to
those folks? Do you think all of us should at
least have a passport or some people have dual citizenships
and they have two passports. Your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 (30:50):
So I think at a minimum you should have a passport.

Speaker 12 (30:53):
For this country.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Dual citizenship is very quickly becoming the standard. When this
ship goes down. The Japanese, they eat Japanese, they speak Japanese,
and if it goes down, they're going back to Japan.
They have that option. The same thing with the Chinese
and every other community here. We are the only community
that was created here, literally a new tribe so to speak,

(31:16):
on this soil, and we're so severed and disconnected because
of the Maafa or what we call in Swahili the
great disaster. But having an opportunity to have another passport
is now being afforded to us. Don't miss that boat,
because we're trying to help facilitate that bridge. So what
we based on two thousand and three the African Union

(31:40):
Article three Q. They say that we are legally the
sixth region, meaning people of African descent living outside of Africa.
That's not a theory now that is legislated, and so
now member states on the continent are making opportunities for
us to have dual citizenship simply because of our DNA testing.
You have in credible scholars like doctor Gina Page right

(32:02):
down the street in DC. She has African Ancestry dot Com.
And if you geographically map your DNA and it says
that you're from Benith or if you're from Sierra Leone,
I mean, these are just a few of those countries
that are willing to give you dual citizenship. And what
we're saying is that in addition to Ghana, which everybody loved.

(32:24):
We loved Ghana.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Hold I thought right there, Kim, we got to step
aside and get caught up on the latest news. When
you come back, I'll let you finish your thought. But also,
because you're an artist, so why't you tell us about
your music and how that's a reverberating across the continent
as well. Family, you Tube can join our comments. Heysue
with Kim Poole reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six or twenty three
minutes after top. They all take a phone calls after

(32:46):
the news that's next and Grand Rising Family seventeen minutes
away from the top for the hour. I guess this
morning is a Baltimore activist, Kim Poole the bathroom of
journeys across the continent, and she's sharing some of these travels. Realists,
let me shut you give us shout out to our teachers,
you know, getting ready to go to school this morning.
Take care of our young people, arguably some of the

(33:07):
most least paid and respected workers in our community. But
again we respect you teachers, So go ahead and take
care of our young people when you go to class
this morning. If maybe something that you heard on the radio,
you can share with our young people as well. Later
this morning, we're gonna hear from former FBI agent doctor
Tyrone Powers. Also joining us will be a scientist and
medical doctor Keith Crawford. We have some brilliant folks in
our community family, and they just don't get the spotlight.

(33:30):
And that's what we try to do here. And so
what we do when you hear them, don't keep it yourself.
Invite a friend to listen and it can grow with us. Also,
later this week, we're gonna hear from political blog of Brandon,
Black Lives Matter grassroots founder doctor Emelina Abdullah, and also
another Baltimore activist, Karls. Norden, will be here. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio
locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're

(33:50):
in the DMV, we're on FM ninety five point nine
at am fourteen fifty WL. All Right, Kim Mama, let
you finish your thought then tell us about your musical
journey as well.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Absolutely you, but you know you gave a shout out
to the teachers and on behalf of the Teaching Artists Institute.
I just want to make sure that I'm centering the
fact that with intention, we offer journeys to help supplement
the traditional school system because I used to work there.
I was a teacher at Calverton Middle School back when

(34:20):
Calverton existed. I taught at Northwestern High School in Northwest
Baltimore and Park Heights and Upper Park Heights, and so
I know that that institution is broken, and those teachers
that are there in the belly of the beast holding
the line for our young people, you know they need support,
and so the Teaching Artists Institute is here to provide

(34:41):
that expeditionary learning. Our young people have to be immersed
into the world to learn about it. There's not much
you can do inside that classroom. Technology is a gift,
it can be a tool, but our young people they
need activation of the hypo campus. They need to be
able to feel and see the soil that they're talking

(35:02):
about in science class and that is a part of
what service the Teaching Artists Institute offers. And so if
you are an educator preparing your curriculum, your field trips,
so to speak, for the school year, please consider using us.
TIE Tours dot org at gmail dot com is our
email address. We're working right now with the ASO Africa

(35:23):
Program and we have a group of young people this
past May that we took to Ghana. The impact of
that experience these young people, I think the name of
their school is connections. Now it used to be called
Lamel right outside of mondomenmaul Us. Taking those twenty five
young people to Ghana change their worldview. They talked about
it in their graduation speeches. As they graduated out of

(35:47):
the school and on to college, some of them considered
different careers because of that experience. They need to travel.
It's not a necessity. It is a birthright experience. So
we were talking in our distracted because you talked about
educators and educating our young people is at the heart
of our work. Intergenerational dialogue and cultural exchange is what

(36:09):
is going to save us as a community. We've always
had that underneath the biobub tree. The grios that hold
our history were always connected directly to the young people
and that is what oriented our trajectory as communities.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
And so well, inter be here before you go continue, Kim,
I want to just thank you for doing that. You know,
taking our young people to Africa. It's life changing. Even
I as an adult you go, it's life changing to
go to Africa, but especially at a young age. Those
young folks that you guys took to the continent, you
don't find them being part of the other groups that

(36:45):
are wilding out because now they have a sense of purpose.
They see beyond the streets of Baltimore. So I just
want to thank you for doing that, and I hope
you continue to do it as well.

Speaker 13 (36:54):
Well.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
The actual group A is for Africa over at Connections.
They've decided that they've we have a sophomore year and
the first year they went to Ghana, and this coming
year twenty twenty six, they want to go to Kimmit
and Ethiopia, and so we're excited to show them the
blue and the White now. And it's not just open
to the students. That Connections is actually going to be

(37:15):
open to young people across the state of Maryland. And
so if you have a young person in high school
or college and they want to learn about the origins
of civilization, they want to do that comparative analysis between
the creation stories in Ilaise and Nigeria and Malambla in
Eboland versus what's happening over in Ethiopia and Eksum and

(37:38):
Lollabella and then over in kim It. Of course, Timid
is like the oldest daughter of Sudan, and you know
Ethiopia and the source of the Nile down in Uganda
and Jingja, and so being able to show that to
young people is like, wow, my life is not in vain,
Thank you Lord. The opportunity is a blessing in and
of itself. And we even have journeys for young people

(38:01):
that are right here in the US. The Freedom Rides
is coming up. We're doing the Freedom Rides next year.
This year, Baba hai Kei, he took young people on
the Freedom Rides down into Gullageechee Nation. He did that
back in the spring. And so I know that these stories,
they make more sense when you take history off the page.

(38:22):
Our young people can relate to it. And we're competing
with video games and you know, we're trying to figure
out how we can incorporate those. But there are so
many distractions in this age of information, and so the
ability to focus and pay attention is the most valuable
thing that we can do, not only with our young
people before ourselves. We have to be prepared to work

(38:42):
with them, and so that means us being able to
hone in and sometimes that expeditionary learning helps.

Speaker 14 (38:47):
You do that.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, tell us about your musical journey, though, Kim, because
you are at the core, you're still an artist, and
you've been sharing your talents across the planet. So tell
us how that went.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
It true? And it's been such a long time since
I've been able to focus. I mean, I love artivism,
I love connecting art and art culture to sustainable development.
I love art as a tool for social transformation. But
at my heart of heart, I am still just that
singer Mama. I want to sing that girl, And being

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able to do that this past fall and summer was
really a gift. Ghana has always been one of the
reasons that has been most welcoming to the height of
what my music musical potential can be and still is.
And so we're venturing into some afrobeats. They're saying, can
we love your soul? But can we change the track
a little bit? Can we add a few more rhythms

(39:42):
to that? And so I finally gotten to the point
where I said, yes, make the track what you needed
to be, especially because now I'm really recognizing that I
haven't been living up to what I'm saying. I always
talk about the influential nature of the artist's class and
how we're the bullhorn of truth and how we're shaping
mindsets and defining reality but in my own art form,

(40:05):
it seems to be relegated to the sidelines or an aftermath.
But now I want to test out my own theory again,
like if you really want the influence. Like you said earlier,
you said, your station is given a spotlight to many
of the topics and things and people that don't get
the attention that they deserve. But we got full you know,
we zoomed in on Beyonce. We know exactly what jay

(40:27):
Z is doing. And so the question is how can
I now begin to use my art to make it
more widespread, make it influential, and so that I can
have more space to do the artivism, letting the art lead.
They say, your gift will make room for you, and
so I want to give my gift a chance to

(40:47):
make room for me, and that means giving it some attention.
And so I was in Ghana. I was invited to
launch the She Rhythms Festival this past August, and that
was just the launch. It's going to actually happened in
Ghana December fourth through sixth. So it looks like this
December is gonna be an Africa Africa to out itinerary

(41:08):
and agenda will be there performing for the Si Rhythms Festival,
launching a few songs that are gonna get some widespread
exposure on the afrobeats market, and I guess their radio
circulation over on that side of the pond. But then
I'm gonna stay over for the ninth Pan African Congress
in Togo. I'm gonna stay over for the Nigeria tour

(41:31):
the twenty seventh through January first, and Nigeria, and so
I'm gonna make sure I sprinkle some performances in between
all those things. And I'm gonna let.

Speaker 15 (41:40):
Art lead.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Good for you ight away from the top of our
brother doctor Hakes joining us, also calling from Baltimore, Ice
online too, Grand Rising, dots of Hake. You're only Kim Poole, Yes, yes,
Grand Rising.

Speaker 16 (41:54):
You can't hear me? Call sure, oh bitter, thank you,
thank you? Just yes, well, great to hear you, mister Kim.
It's always a pleasant, great work doing, just bridging the gaps,
you know, Carl Kim. She got to come back on.
She talked about five things, and this a lot that

(42:15):
she may not have time to but interesting.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
You know.

Speaker 16 (42:19):
Earlier this year we held hosted a group of I
want to talk about this the connection students. So they
were some of the young people that actually performed at
Mayor Brandon Scott's inauguration, and you know, it was a
pretty good excursion that maybe twenty three twenty five adults

(42:45):
and young people that went to Ghana and they want
to go back this year. So, you know, instant I
was talking to doctor Ron Daniels, you know, yesterday last night,
and we were talking about with regions twists in Africa,
you know, compared to stay the Pan African Congress congresses

(43:08):
or you know, which African countries that you know the
presidents are doing, you know, good work for us in
the global diasporas. And so he said something about Ghana
and South Africa. I don't know if you know, I mean,
and you know, we can't branded, we can't work in
every country obviously, you know, we can't spread ourselves then,

(43:28):
but you know, one of the things that I said,
perhaps maybe two years ago is you know a lot
of black folks, I mean, doctor Brnoka Rashidi, he said
Ghana and Egypt. And so now you know, tenative, if
Kim you want to talk about that as well, what
connections you want to do? You know, with Ethiopia and

(43:49):
Egypt as well. So sometimes you know, we let, you know,
allow for clients to mandate or dictate or suggest where
you know they want to be because people want to
go to different parts of Africa as well. So so Kim,
I'll just let you go in, I'll take it off there.
Thank you, good job.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Well, I mean thank you for that, Baba Haki. We
are working in regions outside of Ghana, and some people
they see the marketing campaign of countries and then they
have curators that promote that. But Africa is a continent
and there isn't a region on the African continent that
you couldn't go and be transformed. But there are certain

(44:29):
regions that are critical that those in the diaspora connect
with because of the histories of those areas and especially
if you aren't going to be able to return. Ghana
is amongst those areas, but also Tanzania. The largest outpost
for the East African enslavement trade was in Tanzania. And
I also think it's important that we go to regions

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where their first language is or the language that they
do business in, the language that the US in government
is not an anglophone or a luciphone or Francophone. It's
Tanzania and Ethiopia because they're still using an African language
in their business, in their education. It orients their minds differently.

(45:11):
The pride that they have. When I meet the young
people in those countries, they're not trying to leave. They're like, oh,
I'll take your dollars, but my mind gives me the
ability to imagine what I can use your money with.
Right here in my country. I see what my country
has to offer, and I'm proud of that. And it's
not that you don't see that in the other countries, small, small,

(45:32):
but honestly, in those countries on the African continent that
speak their own languages, that still do business and teach
their children in their own language. Black people now, and
hold of though for.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
A second, kin, We've got to check the traffic and
weather in our different cities, and we'll let you come back.
I let you finish your thought. And also the question
of that, how much do you when you travel do
you try to ingratiate yourself in the local communities. Do
you try to learn their language and their culture as
well to get closer to them, or you just whether
they look at you still is a toy? Still as
an American? Or do they look at you as a

(46:02):
long lost relative. I'll let you explain that when we
get back. But we got to check the traffic and
weather in our different cities or four minutes away from
the top of the our family. You want to join
this discussion with Kim Pool, reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls after the trafficking weather that's
next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week
with us again. I guess this is Kim Pool. Kim

(46:23):
is an activist out of Baltimore. She's on a journey
to get reparations cultural reparations and she's also on artists though,
So before we left, Kim, I'll let you finish your
thought and tell us, you know, how do they see
you as they see as an artist? They see you
as a family member coming back to all these different
African countries, and do you try to ingratiate yourself with them,
do you try to learn tweet or some of the

(46:45):
other dialects are there on the continent, or do they
see you just as an African American.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
So Nelson Mandela said that when you speak to a
man and his language, you speak to his heart. When
you speak in a language, she understands you speak to
his head. And so listen. I may never fully learned
tweet in Ghana or Swahili k Swahili on the continent.
I was recently appointed, as I described in our last interview,

(47:16):
together with the African Union Academy of African Languages, and
so in that role, it is my job to promote
and preserve African language in the diaspora and to create
spaces for that transmission of knowledge to happen in all forms.
Of course, my favorite would be art as a medium.

(47:39):
And so next year we're going to be hosting during
African Languages Week, a week of activities, and right now
we're building the infrastructure to have UH those dialogues in
the diaspora. So that's not just the US. I represent UH,
the entirety of Pan Africa in the diaspora. So that
also will include activities in Europe where we are down

(48:01):
in Brazil, in the Caribbean and Caracom countries. In that role,
it's a major, major work and so I'm always looking
for people that are passionate traditional speakers of African languages.
If you want to be involved in that, please reach
out to us because we need you, especially if you're
living in the diaspora. But when I go to the continent,

(48:22):
they're just glad that I'm trying. What we find when
we get to the content folks that are from the diaspora,
is that you want to change what you see when
you arrive, including the language. It's like, ah, why don't
you understand me? You know, I see it all the
time when we bring toward groups and our attempts to
build those bridges and connections. But they appreciate the fact

(48:42):
that I try. That I slow down and I realize
I'm the one with an accent. What I also realize
is that language has very little to do with words
and communication. We had a rhythm people in the beginning
was heart drum. With this vibration, we gave rhythm to
the world. On this beat. We sing life with the rhythm. People,
and as long as this heart beats inside my chest, said,

(49:05):
will remind me that I'm African, and they feel that rhythm.
We don't always need words when we communicate. That language
that we thought was our language. Only in the diaspora.
The head nod. You know that that blink, that wink
that look across the room, and understand that knowledge is real,
that communication is real. They called it science when they

(49:27):
tried to explain it. Pheromones that we communicate through, you know,
secreting certain pheromones or chemicals that communicated before our brookies
area and our brain and the temporal lobe was developed.
And that vibration is creation.

Speaker 12 (49:42):
It still exists.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Even when we aren't quiet enough to listen to it.
And so I have learned through you know, trial and error,
through immersion that in the deepest village, the mamas they
still understand, and they get me and they wrap me
in their fabrics and they dress with their beads and
they say, listen, daughter, welcome home. We spirit know the

(50:04):
spirit by the spirit, and we know that you are
with us. We are just we're invited to Kenya. We're
going October sixteenth through the nineteenth to Nandy County. Nandy
County is in the cradle of civilization. Senator James Saunders
from New York is going to be joining our delegation
by thea Haiki. We'll be with our delegation Thailand or

(50:26):
teaching artists institute regions across the continent, from Uganda and Ghana.
They're all coming, some up from Zimbabwe. We're coming to
Nandy County, Kenya by invitation of the government and the
women that are there, the singers. Whenever we come, they
meet us at the airport and they're singing and they've
got their beads on and they give us this musique.

(50:48):
It's like this milk drink out of what looks like
a calabash to drink because they want to show us.
Welcome home. Kaaribu tong gooi. That's what they say when
they see us. And it matters. This energy, these things
that we've been unlearning, living in this vibration that is
foreign to us, living in the diaspora. We've had to

(51:08):
always convince ourselves that we're not broken. But going into
a community where the head nods and the handshakes and
the winks and the sound the h ah, all of
this is language and it's accepted and it's you know, widespread.
You don't feel broken. That's a language in and of itself,
some language that we need to relearn again right and can.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Be forward to let you go. How can folks reach you?
They want to join you on some of your journeys
and get involved in your institute.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
They can reach us. They should definitely join some of
our journeys. One last journey that I didn't mention this
November November eighth through the fifteenth. We want to be
intentional about our healing, especially in this climate, about our
ability to practice being community. It doesn't mean we'll always
get it right. But we're going to Massa in the

(52:02):
resort in the Shnandoah Valley down in Virginia, just two
hours outside of Washington, d C. Two and a half
from Baltimore, and we want to invite you to come
with us November eighth through the fifteenth. We're calling it
the Heel Glow Grow Retreat and for one thousand dollars
you can be there for seven days. You got some

(52:23):
meals included your accommodations, acces us to the spas, to
the pools, to the hikes and the trails. We need
these things. It's not a luxury. If you're interested in
coming with us, please contact me. Facebook dot com, slash
Teaching Artists one word, Facebook dot com slash teaching Artists
one word, or you can email us at tietours dot

(52:45):
org at gmail dot com, tietours dot org at gmail
dot com, and you know again, you can always call
me four four three seven three nine zero nine four one.
The Heel Glow Grow Retreat is where you can come
with us next because we need to practice being grounded
and rooted and connected and community. Thank you Carl for

(53:06):
the opportunity. I always appreciate coming on the air for updates.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
And thank you Cam. I thank you for sharing your
journeys with us. We really appreciate it because many folks
don't get a chance of traveling and they do it
so vicariously through your travel. So I thank you came
for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

Speaker 13 (53:22):
Bless you.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
All right, family, let's move on now. Ten I have
the top day out. Doctor Keith Crawford is really let's
doctor Crawford, Grand Rising, welcome back to the program, Grand Rousing,
and doctor Crawford. You're a scientist and also a medical
doctor and you've done some research into cancer. But before
you tell us about what you found, UH, give us

(53:46):
a little bit of a background so folks know that
you're the real deal.

Speaker 8 (53:50):
Oh okay, well, I wanted to say again grand rousing
everybody online. I'm originally from Texas. My father was in
the military and we used to bounce back between Texas
and Washington, d C. Back and forth in the day.
But graduated from Purviewing and University outside of Houston. I

(54:13):
went to medical school University Texas, Houston. I did my
clinical training in Washington, d C. At Howard and then
I elected to get a PhD in immunology and I
got that from Harvard Medical School. I was I did
my post doc. That's your training. After you get your
you finish your graduate work at at the Harvard Medical School,

(54:36):
brick and Women's Hospital, Children's Hospital, and then I was
faculty at Brigham Women's Hospital. My research, there's two kind
of important things, and I think that you you're curious
caller brought out something that was very important. We have

(54:56):
attended to go look at things differently, and when you
can look at things differently, you could make discoveries. So
two major discoveries, both of those patented by Harvard Medical School,
was discovered a new subset of of immune cells that
if you could take those immune cells so you can
fuse them together and make a vaccine against cancer. And

(55:19):
then I also have a patent and discovery of a
new set of regenative medicine cells stem cells that because
of this discovery, I was invited to the Vatican to
talk about stem cells. And yes, the Vatican supports stem
cells research. It's just that they don't support embryonic research.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
So that's kind of all why why should why why
don't they do that?

Speaker 8 (55:48):
Well, embryonic So embryonic is is what was happening was
at the time when we started talking about I mean,
we better but clarified. So, the Vatican has a stem
cell library, and a lot of people don't know that.
They will take stem cells that are from spontaneous abortions,

(56:10):
but they will not populate their library with stem cells
from embryos. You know, people who are who have having
problems and need more of an artificial simat insmination for
for UH to carry a child forward. They won't take those,

(56:33):
but they will take something that was naturally a byproduct
of a lost placenta and those types of stem cells.
So that's something that a lot of people don't recognize,
and they give the Catholic Church a kind of a
bad name when they are open to understand science and

(56:53):
all those other things and then provide the world with alternatives.
They just don't speak about it.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Twelve after the top of that founidly just checking in,
I guess you start to KEITHA. Crawford that missions to
sign this also a medical doctor. So doctor, from where
you stand, is there a cure for cancer?

Speaker 8 (57:12):
Well, let me put it to you this way. I'm
a very positive person. So if you want to go
back to nineteen eighties and ask that question, is there
a cure for AIDS? And at that time, no one
would have believed that we would have treatments that suppress

(57:35):
It's not a cure, but it suppresses AIDS and allows people.
Let me think about it. Major a celebrity, Magic Johnson
HIV positive and he's still living today. So we have
the ability in science, maybe not the cure cancer, but

(57:56):
keep it under control. Like it's a chronic disease, high
potension ease, prostate cancer. So you have these treatments that
if you do what you need to do. People need
to exercise, eat right and get plenty of sleep, take
their vitamin D, take their coprid vitamins. But also there

(58:17):
are treatments out there there are therapies out there that
will suppress and slow the growth of the cancer. So
I'm hoping that there'll be a cure. But right now
we are approaching this era where we're able to treat
cancers not at all like a chronic disease.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, fourteen half of the top there not to keep
Crawfett is I guess and doctor Crawford. Last month was
prostate cancer month. This month is Breast cancer Awareness month.
So what should what should we know about the cancer
the disease. What do you think that our listening audients
should know right now that we don't know.

Speaker 17 (58:54):
What we.

Speaker 8 (58:58):
Don't know is one, if you have cancer, if you're
diagnosed with cancer, don't lose hope. There are things like
clinical trials that are out there. Back in the day,
if you're thinking about Tuskegee to Skige laid the foundation

(59:23):
for safe research studies in medicine. The most important thing
that I want that people to hear that is there's
treatment options and we have to participate. And even before that,
whether it's breast or prostate cancer, we have to screen early.

(59:46):
And so what people don't understand is that we represent
maybe about fourteen percent of the US population. But when
people give you these statistics, they give you statistics with
everybody in this pool.

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
But you remember the saying about when one.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
Group sneezes, we catch the cold pneumonia. In this case,
if you separate us out and look at the cancer
impact prostate cancer breast cancer, we just focus on those two.
It's worse in men and women, respectively. And we're talking

(01:00:26):
about Black men. Leading cause of cancer in the world
is prostate cancer, and leading cause of cancer and Black
community for men is prostecate cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And hold that through right there, Dot. We're gonna step
us off a few months. We come back though. Tell
us why cancer disproportionately affects Black men prostate cancer, and
then let us know if it's the same for the sisters,
if the breast cancer disproportionally affects them, and if so,
is it just just uh Africans in this part of
the content, or is Africans on the is it cononell Africans,

(01:01:03):
Africans in Europe, Africans and the Caribbean Africans in South America?
Is it die related? We want all the facts right now, Doc,
You've got them. Family is one of our smart brothers
we have in our community. Is a scientist as well.
It's a medical Doctor's name is doctor Keith Crawford. You
got a question about cancer, reach out to us at
eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll
taket phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

(01:01:25):
rolling with us on this Monday morning here, thanks for
starting your week with us. At twenty minutes after the top,
they I with our guest, doctor Keith Crawford. As I mentioned,
it's one of the smart brothers in our community. I
always tell that we've got some really smart folks out there.
Many of the times they're working for the other side, and
I'm working for us. So this one's different. Doctor Keith Crawford,
that's his name, and specializing in doing a lot of
research into cancer. As we mentioned last month it was

(01:01:45):
Prostate cancer Awareness month. This month, October is Breast cancer
Awareness Month. And the question I asked that before we
left for the break, Dr Crawford, why does cancer seem
to disproportionate attack goes, especially prostate cancer. We know that
for sure, but is it the same for breast cancer
for our sisters as well?

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
Well? I would back up a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
I said disproportionately, certain cancers disproportionately impact people of African descent.
That's the first thing. Prostate cancer is different because prosect
cancer negatively, the incident's rate is higher among Black men
over any other group, male or female. But then when

(01:02:30):
you move to breast cancer, women of European ancestry have
a higher incidents of breast cancer, but Black women are
the ones that suffer the most and die at a
higher rate. So when you think of incidents, is you
know it's occurring, and then those that die from it.
Now from Black men, the incident's rate is like seventy

(01:02:51):
eighty percent higher and the death rate is two times higher.
And depending on where you live, especially when we start
talking about that DMB area, that prostate cancer incidence is high,
especially in DC and death Ray. And why is that though, Doc, Well,

(01:03:11):
it's interesting the if you were to follow the slave
trade route, so West.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Africa, Caribbean, United.

Speaker 8 (01:03:23):
States, wherever men of African descent and what women of
African descent are, that incidence of prostate cancer in men
and breast cancer and women follows that slave trade route,
and so why there is a genetically to those diseases,

(01:03:45):
prostate cancer and breast but that's a smaller component.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
There is an.

Speaker 8 (01:03:53):
Issue about the environment, and this is something that you know,
people don't talk about. They don't talk about the fact
that we have only really been to the United States
in the Americas outside of Africa since fact the sixteen
hundred cents and so the trade be can so for

(01:04:15):
thousands of years, there is no doctor. That may be
some healthcare provider, which doctor, and the buildings, but the
point was you lived off the land. Your medicines were
off the land. So the moment we were removed from
that protective environment. And I speak to the generalities here,

(01:04:36):
I'm not like specific. Our foods are different, having access
to the sun is different, sleep is different. And you
move into this new era of fast world, fast food,
lack of sleep, non natural foods. The majority of people
on the phone listening know that their doctor has said, look, no,

(01:05:00):
you need to move to a Mediterranean diet. I mean,
thousands of years, that's what we ate, that's how we lived.
Your people and people European ancestry, they ate lived a
certain way, but their culture dominates, their diet dominates. The Americans.

(01:05:20):
So we have a concern about the environment, and then
you know the foods that we eat, the air that
we breathe, the water that we drink, and we've not
always lived in areas that have been healthy. And one
other thing that comes into place is we have to
recognize that every day we get up, we are suffering

(01:05:44):
or hit with these micro traumas and stress and anxiety
plays a very important role. Now this is I want
people to kind of understand. I was trying to break
it down that your body. We know that we want
to fight off infectious disease like COVID. We want to
boost our immune system, right, but your body constantly surveys

(01:06:09):
for cancer growth. But if you don't eat right, if
you're not exercising, if you're obese or overweight, your immune
system doesn't work as well, and so it's not very
efficient at one identifying the cancer and killing it and

(01:06:30):
constantly surveying. So if you're in a lot of stress
and anxiety, you have these molecules that are being released
in the body that suppressed the immune system. So we
have to be important that everybody has to understand. You know,
stress anxiety plays a very important role whether or not
you're able to protect your body against cancers or slow

(01:06:54):
up the progression of cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Wow twenty five after the top family, if you have
been diagnosed with cancer, you know someone who's been diagnosed
with cancer, You got a question. This is a man
you need to pose a question to. He's a medical doctor. Also,
Songea's name is doctor Keith Crawford, traded at Harvard and
works in the DMV area. You can reach him right
now at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six. And if you have the issue, family, don't

(01:07:19):
be bashful. You can use a different name when you
people know your business. I get it, but take advantage
of his expertise. Doc. There's been an increase in callon cancer,
especially in young people. That that's what they're saying, what
is causing this?

Speaker 8 (01:07:34):
I mean what we can say is is there's two
things there right now. We're talking about diet, the food
that we eat. I mean, this is something simple question.
Why would you drink sodas if you know that sodas
are corrosive? I mean you certain TikTok or YouTube videos
or somebody clean the toilet and force them a coat.

(01:07:58):
I mean a soda drink and it cleanses to what
that's the same thing that your gut is exposed to.
So your your gut is exposed to constant inflammation because
of the foods that you eat. And with this constant inflammation,
the constant trauma leads to sooner or later a cancer

(01:08:19):
cell is going to escape, and it does have to do.
I'm not saying one hundred percent, I'm not perfect here.
Your diet plays a variant role for important role and
whether or not. I mean, yes, it's genetics, Yes it's
pass on from family and family, but the genes are there.

(01:08:40):
But what triggers the relapse of cancer? All diet plays
a role in that. So we have all the key components.
I'm not saying if you eat right, exercise and do
the right thing that you may not get you won't
get cancer. What I'm saying is your chance of getting

(01:09:01):
cancer decrease, and you eat right, you exercise, manage stress,
have a Mediterranean or vegetarian diet. And especially when I
think about it, I keep on going back. There's European
ancestry evolutionary diet, a diet that they had for thousands
and thousands of years, and there's a diet that West

(01:09:21):
Africans had for thousands and thousands of years. That's not
the same genetically. We were wrought up on that West
African diet, that Mediterranean type diet, and those are the
direction that we all need to go back to, not meats.
It's better to be a vegetarian. But again, you got

(01:09:44):
to talk to your doctor about the points that we
bring up. They may disagree, they may agree, but the
point is talk to your doctor so you can eat
healthy and live longer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Twenty and after top thing, I went doctor Keith Offers.
I mentioned families, one of the smart brothers in our community,
and it's working for us. We're talking about cancer now,
especially prostate cancer and breast cancer. This is Breast Cancer
Awareness Month. So Doc, I've talked to some natural pathic
doctors and they tell me that the cancer is sugar.
Sugar sugar cancer. The cancer feeds off sugar. And for me, now,

(01:10:19):
every time I go into the store there's the market,
I see a cake or something, I'm like oak cancer.
Every all of a sudden, every time I see stuff sweets,
you know, candies or something, I got oak cancer. It's
coming to my mind that that sugar that the cancer
feeds off sugar. It's any truth to that though.

Speaker 8 (01:10:38):
Okay, So that is a very excellent question, and I
want to tell you how this works. So when we're
in the laboratory, I told you we did some research, right,
We did research about how to control and kill cancers,
how to vaccinate against cancer. So I was at the
Dana Farbard Cancer Institute as when I did my post off,

(01:10:58):
my graduate post octro work, we were creating vaccines against cancers.
But if you take the cancer cell, right, because that's
how we study, it will take the cancer itself. I
mean everybody knows, like you know, we had a LAC cells,
the la cells, the helo cells, so everybody knows about that.
So that's a cancer cell. Well, to keep the cancer

(01:11:20):
cell in a dish so it grows, one of the
major components is glucose. Glucose is sugar, and if you
remove the sugar, the cancer doesn't grow as fast. If
you add the sugar, it grows fast. It's easier for
the cancer to break down glucose simple sugars, ptising cakes

(01:11:44):
and all the in the bread than it is to
break down and create energy from meat and vegetables.

Speaker 7 (01:11:54):
And so the.

Speaker 8 (01:11:54):
Point that you bring up is the generally doesn't cause cancer,
but it supports cancerous growth.

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
Poor diets.

Speaker 8 (01:12:07):
Support cancerst growth. The lack of exercise supports cancers growth.
Stress and anxiety supports cancers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Group and another thing I've heard of twenty away from
the top of our dog is that we all have
some cancer cells. It cancer is found in all our bodies.
Is there any truth to that?

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:12:32):
And your immune system is responsible for surveying the I
mean like see for example, man, you guys are the DNV,
some me and outside like the urban sector humanity of yards.
You go out, look out in the morning and look
for weeds in your garden or leads out in your yard.
So when you go out and pull the weeds up
and get rid of, your body does the same. Your

(01:12:55):
immune system does the same thing. It surveys the body,
and it's looking for infectious disease, something that's not supposed
to be there. Cancer cells are not supposed to be there,
but the immune system looks at it, targets it, and
then kills it. The problem is, as we get older,
those immune cells, those cells that are responsible for surveying it,

(01:13:17):
start to decline, and then a cancer cell escapes surveillance,
it starts to grow. So the point that you bring
up is the body immune system surveys your body looking
for cancer cells so it can kill. That's the way

(01:13:37):
the immune system is designed in addition to bacterias and viruses.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
So how do we boost our immune system? Then what
are some of the things that we can do or
I guess eat, take or any physical things that we
can do to improve our immune systems so we don't
succumb to cancer.

Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
This and people can this is published data. Research data
groups stuck around the country are doing clinical travels in
this area to kind of learn more about it. We
have to change our diet. All that junk, we have

(01:14:18):
to let it go. We have to move towards vegetarian
you know, no processed foods, getting ready to jump foods,
get rid of the sodas, and just clean like you're
talking about a cleanse. Get a cleanse, not a cleanse
when we're just talking about fluid, but cleansing. Real to
start all over and take an assessment of the foods

(01:14:42):
that you eat and trying to focus on the mediterratan
style diet at least if not moving to a vegetarian diet.
That's one research peer reviewed. So we talk about this
on your show. We talk about peer review. That means
it wasn't somebody who had an opinion who wrote about
it and making these statements. A group of people did

(01:15:06):
the research. Their research was evaluated by groups of other
people to make sure it was accurate. So when we
talk about it, when I'm talking about I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
Peer reviewed information. It is clearly.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
Document to date that you need to exercise at minimum
vigorous exercise for twenty minutes, three times a day, three
times a week at a minimum, and that helped protect
your body against cancer. Also diet exercise. And for black

(01:15:43):
folks the majority, especially out there when we go North
DMV area, we're talking about vitamin D. How many people
out there take their vitamin D because we are dark
complexed and we have a protective barrier gets the sun.
So we're not making our own body the ded like

(01:16:05):
people who are likly like the European ancestry. And there's
a difference, and we have to appreciate that we are
going to have to supplement and not supplement what you see.

Speaker 13 (01:16:15):
On the bottle.

Speaker 8 (01:16:16):
You got to talk to your doctor because I'm talking
about twenty eight international units per pound body weight, of
which the forty five thousand units international units per day,
especially in the winter time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
All right, hold on though, right there, twenty five away
from the top. Dad Jay's joining us from Detroit's online one.
Once you speak to doctor Crawford, grand Rising Jay on
with doctor Keith Crawford.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Well, grand Rise and current grand Rising to the doctor.
I have a question related to a vegetarian diet. I've
been doing it for a few years and some of
the issues that come up with me is getting a
protein that will keep your sodium levels up, iron production

(01:17:04):
because recently I was diagnosed with low hemoglobal you know,
and low red blood cell count, and you know, I've
been kind of doing some research on food to help
build up the iron and you know, build up your blood.
So could you kind of discuss that too, you know,
because there's always been this narrative that if you don't

(01:17:26):
eat meat, that you won't get enough protein in your diet.
You know, that's one of the narratives that people use
to justify, you know, still eating flesh. So could you
kind of discuss that. I really would appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
Well, I think what I ended up doing is.

Speaker 8 (01:17:46):
On my end, I'm more beans. I mean, you know beans,
they're vegetables that you can get your protein cross and
focusing on those vegetables and you and you can google
it and and look at you probably eating those and
then supplement it with protein powders or supplement with protein drinks.

(01:18:09):
So I get mine the my daily allotment of protein.

Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
So the.

Speaker 8 (01:18:19):
It is where it's easier to eat meat and junk
food because that's going to be at your fingertips you
drive through, grab a burger from a fast food. To
prepare vegetables that are not already in the can, it
takes time, but we have to move towards preparing our

(01:18:41):
own diet. And and for me to tell you the
best way for anybody online right now is one we
want everybody to see their doctor and have physicals. That's
the first thing. The second thing is have you asked
your doctor to refer you to a nutritionist.

Speaker 7 (01:19:04):
And a nutrition is.

Speaker 8 (01:19:06):
Going to give you wait second and a nutritionist is going.

Speaker 7 (01:19:09):
To give you a lot of information.

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
And if you don't have that, there's resources in the.

Speaker 7 (01:19:16):
Community about health eating. So speaking, you could move away
from meat. I mean I'm not saying I kind of
contenter myself a flexitarian, so I and I'm just throw
in some salmon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Once a week, right and hold I thought right there, doctor,
I want to hear about your personal choices.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
Jay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
If you have a follow up questions, stay with us.
We got to get step asud and get caught up
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It's twenty two minutes away from the top down family,
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(01:20:03):
on this Monday morning. Our guest, he's a scientist, is
also a medical doctor, and there's a lot of research
into cancer. You got a question about cancer. You know
a friend who's got cancer, Please please take advantage of
his expertise. A lot of times you don't get a
chance to go one on one with doctors. You know
they give you fifteen minutes the max and then you're
out and they move on to the next patient because
there's a patient overload right now. You can take advantage

(01:20:25):
of this man's expertise and he's learning the trained at Harvard.
He's got a medical degree as I mentioned as well,
and he's also signed this doing research into cancer. Before
we go back to you, the elements remind you. Coming
up later this morning, we're going to speak a former
FBI agent, doctor tyro Own Powers. Later in the week,
you can hear from political blogger Brandon. Also a Black
Lives Matter grassroots founder, doctor Malina Abdullah will be here.

(01:20:47):
Also Baltimore activist Karl Snowdenwell Jonas. So, if you are
in Baltimore, make sure you get you ready to keep
you ready to tuned into ten ten WOLB and if
you're in the DMV, we're rolling on FM ninety five
point nine and a fourteen fifteen w l All right,
doctor Crawford, I'll let you finish your thought and Robin
has a question for you when we get back. When
you finished.

Speaker 8 (01:21:07):
Okay, So, from a high level, if you look at
foods that were our ancestral foods, you know, it's interesting.
I didn't really think about it but you know, after
you know, New Year's we used to have black eyed peas.
Black eyed peas is a good source a proteins. So

(01:21:28):
if we talk about beans a primaries or king waw peas,
and then we can move to you know, hemp, hemp seeds,
pumpkin pumpkin seeds protein or almond butter, flack seeds. These

(01:21:49):
are all very important. I know a lot of people
don't like when we moved from like plants, proteins, then
we can move to you know, dietary I mean dairy
eggs and cottage cheese and Greek yogurts or or excellent sources.
And then and what I'm suggesting, what would unlike the
audience to really start thinking about is again, use your resources.

(01:22:12):
Your primary resources is your your primary care doctor helps
you or can refer you to a nutritionist that can
help tail your diet for yourself. But remember how we
have to think. We have to think about our ancestral foods.
So when we think about from Africa, I told you

(01:22:34):
for black a peas, lentils, chickpeas, what there's a kaba
of flavor and then seeds, nuts and seeds, and then
you have to look at some of the ancestral grains
and flowers from West Africa, not what people European ancestry,

(01:22:57):
because for thousands of thousand years, that was the food
that they need to sustain themselves. And there is a
difference in how our bodies manage cancers, triggers us for
cancers and the type of foods that we should really predominate.
And also I'm not forgetting about just leafing vegetables. You know,
you know the broccoli uh cal people leave. So there's

(01:23:22):
a lot of stuff that out there that we're going
to have to go back to eat healthier. And I
hopefully that gives you an ideal idea. I'm not giving
you specific vegetables in detailed meals. This is something that
I challenge you to go out and find those those

(01:23:44):
foods that are evolutionarily or are culturally something that for
thousands of years people of the African diaspora lived on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Hello, yeah, I'm sorry tan away from the top there.
I was checking a note here from one of our
sisters listening to us in Ghana. But the Robert has
been waiting for us. He's in Baltimore. Has a question
for doctor Crawford. Is online too, Grand Rising, Roberts, you're
on with doctor Crawford.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Grand Rising. Everyone.

Speaker 13 (01:24:25):
Uh, I understand what you're talking about, the different uh
uh uh eating eating differently. But I live in Baltimore
City and a lot of uh hello still there, Robert, Yeah, yeah,
so I have a lot of it's it's hard to

(01:24:47):
get a lot of people that came up on this
southern Southern eating. Uh, you know, the normal Southern foods
to change, uh, to do a better have a better diet.
But what I wanted to ask you is I had cancer,
prostate cancer two years ago and and uh as of

(01:25:12):
to day, i'm cancer free. But what I wanted to
ask you about is it recks out dysfunction. It comes
along with the prostate cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Right all right, thanks Robert.

Speaker 8 (01:25:23):
Yeah, yeah, And this is an important topic and a
lot of people shy away from this. Let's just call
it what it is. If you have you're diagnosed with
prostate cancer, the best thing to do is be diagnosed early.
If you're diagnosed early by screening, getting a simple blood test,

(01:25:47):
then you either have two general choices. I wouldn't there's three.
I would not suggest you'll talk to your doctor about
watching him waiting. I'm not gonna watch it wait for anything.
If I know what we have a high inside of
the development prostinct ansis I'm not watching wait, go in
and take it and get it out. So yes, once

(01:26:09):
you if you have surgery, your chances of developing reped
out dysfunction will increase. That means your penis will be flasted.
It may not be able to get an erection, it
may not be an erection hard enough for sexual penetration.
Let's just call it what it is. I know it's
early in the morning, but the point is is this

(01:26:32):
first thing first, save your life.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
Then you have either that opportunity and you hear it all.

Speaker 8 (01:26:41):
The time, the blue pill, the pill. Get the blue pill.
So there's pills that you can take that will help.
And then if not pills, they're injections and then their
implants and so there are options that are out there,
and implant surgery is by your insurance and so especially

(01:27:05):
in that in your d m V area. I mean
there from the standpoint of screening early, you have laws
of the books that would move the cost of screen early.
That's in Maryland Maryland area, so that's very important. But
whether it's surgery or radiation surgery. Rectile the function on

(01:27:27):
will occur earlier post post surgery, and you you can
do the exercise to keep exercises and that you need
to get to a point where you have in erection.
And a lot of men if you catch it early
and there's nerves bearing, no nerves are damaged, then they're
able to recover without supplementation with the pill. And even

(01:27:52):
if you have radiation, it may you have radiation, it
may take time, but you may develop a rectile that's found.
But the point is is that I want to make
men understand, Yeah, we your sexual prowess is tied too,
whether not you can get erection. That's how people are thinking.

(01:28:13):
I'm saying, you gotta live. Everything else can be fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Gotcha. I hope that works out for you. Arabic is
doctor Crawford. This is the era that he works in.
Especially now doctor Crawford sticks away from the top. I've
come from a break, but I got a tweet question
for it. It says some research suggests that male circumcision,
particularly when performed before the first sexual intercourse, is associated
with reduced risk of prostate cancer.

Speaker 7 (01:28:38):
Your thoughts, I mean, I mean there are a lot of.

Speaker 8 (01:28:45):
Again, I go to peer reviewed if the question of
the audience member wants to send that article to you
and we can read it, to review it and see.
All I know is this is, if you are black,
if you have African ancestry, you have a high risk
of developing prostate cancer. Now, whether you circumcised or not circumcised,

(01:29:08):
if you get cercumcised late in life, that's not going
to change it. If you have a family history of
prostate cancer, if you have a family history of breast cancer,
because a lot of people don't know that. They think, well,
I don't have a family history of prostate cancer, but
i have a family history of breast cancer, and I'm
a guy, I said. The genetics are transferred, So a
mother can give the genes for prostate can give the

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genes to develop prostate cancer to her son, and a
father can give the genes that may increase a young
woman's chance to develop the breast cancer. So there may
be an indirect, somehow relationship with circumcision. But the fact

(01:29:54):
of this, if you're of African descent, your chance of
developing prostate cancer are extremely high.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Yeah, all I thought, right there, doc, Because we've got
to step uside for a few minutes to take our
last look at the traffic weather in our different cities.
Let me ask you this though, get him all over this,
Robbie too. Listen to the traffic report. Is it true
that if you melanine, melan causes us to be addicted
to whether it be chocolate, cocaine, or even cancer. Because
if you are more melanated than other folks, you're more
susceptible to having You're more prone to having a cancer

(01:30:26):
and dealing with more the malities of cancer. I'll let
you respond that when we get back as wrong, I'll
let you also finish your thought. Family, you got a
question about cancer, process cancer, breast cancer, reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seven six.
You wan't to take your phone calls after the traffic
and weather. That's next and ground rising family, Thanks for
rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting
a week with us again. I guess this is one

(01:30:47):
of the smart I call them the small one of
the smart brothers in our community. I keep telling you
we've got a lot of brilliant people in our community.
It's a scientist is also a medical doctor's name is
start to Keith Crawford and he's working on cancer research
and doctor Crawford in the interesting time, you can forget
my question, we can put we put that on hold
till next time about Melanie because I got two folks
want to talk to you and trying to help some
people this morning. Also kind of tweet from Ghana as well.

(01:31:09):
So let's go straight to the call is online three
to make us calling from Hinesviel in Maryland, Tamika. You're
with doctor Crawford. Your question for doctor Crawford.

Speaker 18 (01:31:18):
Good morning, Good morning everyone. I have a quick question.
A close friend of mine has lung cancer, stayed for
lung cancer and he was getting chemo treatment for a
little over a month, but his doctor has informed them
that his chemo has stopped.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Due to I guess things are looking good.

Speaker 18 (01:31:43):
But my question is is that normal or what's the
next step for someone to stay for cancer who doctor
has actually instructed him to stop chemo.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
What does that mean exactly? Does that mean.

Speaker 18 (01:31:58):
He needs to do something different or is it How
can I help him go through his process and help
him through his cancer because I've never heard of someone
whether chemo treatment has stopped. Is that normal?

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
So the answer the question. First thing is, so we
want everybody to understand when we talk about stage four disease,
there's stage one to four, and that means that the
cancer itself, it's a lung cancer that's moved outside the lung,
so it's in different parts of the body. So just
so now you get an idea of what you're treating.

(01:32:44):
And there's chemotherapy, but what depending on the type of cancer,
because we don't know what type of cancer is, chemotherapy
may not be working, but is does your friend live
in the where's your friend lives in the in the
area near Yes.

Speaker 18 (01:33:05):
Yes, he listened in the MV area. But he said
that everything looks fine with the chemo, and.

Speaker 7 (01:33:12):
A doctor has distructed.

Speaker 18 (01:33:13):
Him to stop. I just thought chemo.

Speaker 7 (01:33:15):
You can trying it for the end, uh huh No.

Speaker 8 (01:33:19):
So what happens is what their objective is is that
we have these technologies now that are able to scan
the body and look for areas of cancer. If the
chemotherapy has worked and it shuts it kills the cancer
and we can't see it anymore, then watching weight and
if it comes back again, because he's going to be screaming.

Speaker 7 (01:33:41):
You talk with him.

Speaker 8 (01:33:41):
He'll be at his doctor's office at least every six months,
or in this first case, every three months to kind
of follow to see if they've gotten rid of the cancer.
But also I want him to let you know you
please tell him that that to think about and talk
to his doctor about participating in these cutting edge technologies
clinical trials. And it's not just for presidents of the

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United States like Jimmy Carter. It's for every person. So
these can these next generation clinical trials, especially people of
African descent, especially to people even poor white folks, poor
black folks. Everybody needs to play a role and look
in everybody needs to participate in clinical trials. I throw

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that out there because that's going to be important because
he's going to have access toes cutting into technology.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Right five after the top day, I just keep going
real quick. Linda's calling from Baltimore. Has a question for
your doctor's online three grand Rising, Linda, your question for
doctor Crawford.

Speaker 19 (01:34:41):
Yeah, I'm grand Rising. I'm really having a plant off.
I'm right, I've been pronounced did straight up. I'm walking
dead as I speak to you. Three doctors told me
that I'm going to die if I do not have
chemo on a pacemaker. I have an open sore size

(01:35:01):
of a fifty cent piece. I can't even get it
to hill. Yeah, I can't get it to hill right.
So right now I'm at the point where I'm not
even in the hospital no more. I thought I would
come home and save my own life because I don't
think it's wise to put chemo on an open sore.
They don't already told me I'm going to die.

Speaker 7 (01:35:20):
I'll be dead if I do that.

Speaker 19 (01:35:21):
For sure, and they got me really scared, so right now,
and then I just got over not too long acoes
over internal bleeding. I was sent to the hospital for
internal bleeding. So my oldness are sitting in blood right
as we speak. So that ain't wise either. But they
tell me I have no choice but to have the

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chemo done. So I said, I'm not getting that. So
I just came home and I'm home now. That's where
I'm at. I've been home there now for like, on
my own, trying to save my own life with some
black feedle keep it at bay because I'm not having
them put my lights out like that. I think it's
something else. I should be able to do to save
my own life. And let me tell you one other thing.

(01:36:03):
I have a PageMaker, right, I have a PageMaker. I
heard it now in for like one on six years.
And I don't think they gave me a battery.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Straight up.

Speaker 19 (01:36:12):
I never got no energy or anything. The chest pain stop.
But I think that it's my PageMaker leaking through my
chest with ethic because I did not get a battery.
I don't think I got one, And that makes sense
to me. It's right there at the breast cancer sore.
The sight is up from the pacemaker the so I

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think that's what's going on. So I can't my partiologist,
he just laughed. It's a whole lot of everything I'm having.
I'm just catching it, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Let's give me a chance to respond, Linda. Yeah, well,
I would hope that.

Speaker 8 (01:36:51):
So we're in the twenty first century and we have
cutting edge technologies that are out there. I mean, you're
in the DMV. You know you're a hopping on one
of you guys, Howard. On the other hand, you have
a lot of the flagship leading hospitals in the United
States in the world really that can treat these complicated issues.

(01:37:12):
The point is you're not going to be able to
treat that at home. And I respect your choices because
it's your body and you can choose to do whatever
you want to do with your body. But I always
my father said OSEA four to six. Our people died
from the lack of knowledge. We don't want you to die.
We want you to live so you can tell your story.

(01:37:35):
So if you can have a better discussion with your
doctor to help tease out the complexities of your disease,
we want you to live. You call this morning because
you really want to live, and that's all I can say.
Would be helpful if you go back to your doctors
and see how the best way to approach the problem.
Because you have a lot of problems. But you have

(01:37:57):
a strong spirit, because that's what I heard over the phone,
This strong spirit and a strong will. Now we just
need to combine that strong will with some good medicine
and science so you can live and tell your story.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
All right, hopefully she can get a touch you before
we leave. But listen, doctor Powers, thank you for giving
me some man your time here. I got this tweet
question from sister who's listening to us in Ghana. Doctor Crawford,
doctor Serrita. She's a holistic practitioner and she lives in Ghana.
She says, happy, do damn it. Brother. Cancer has a
strong emotional connection. We just don't know how to let

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stuff go. Emotional trauma can cause you to eat foods
that are eating you. We are more addicted to our
emotions rather than toxic food or drugs. Once we conquer
and bring balance to our emotional trauma, we can find
discipline be more intentional about our health. Vegetarian is the
way to go, but vegetarians eat too much processed foods.
Fresh is always the best. What say you.

Speaker 8 (01:39:00):
Cut to the chase emotional trauma, stress and anxiety, that
suppressive immune system that allows cancers growth. Second, exactly what
you said, get rid of those processed foods. But that
processed foods is foods that were developed in the Americas.

(01:39:23):
We'll go back culturally. We had fresh foods every day
we went to the market, we looked at we went
leafy vegetables. So everything that the system is seeing is
absolutely right. I'm just changing the context of how it
was said. Stress, anxiety, depression. We can se immune system
if if we can sue immune system. Cancers can grow

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if you don't eat the right diet processed foods. We
should not be eating processed foods. If it's not leafy vegetables,
if it's not beans, if it's not ancestral flowers, I
mean flower, then we should leave them alone. And remember
Biden McGee because here we're not getting a lot.

Speaker 19 (01:40:06):
Of suns.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
And so we have I hate to push you on
because we're running late. And Agnes, is this call from Balton.
We're trying to help some folks this morning. Family is
we do here on this program? Agnes is online too. Agnes,
your question real quick for doctor Keith Crawford.

Speaker 20 (01:40:22):
Okay, I have a friend and I hope he is
listening today. He says that when he was diagnosed with
fox day cancer and his doctor has prescribed and it's
giving him radioactive pills to take on a daily basis,
and I'm just wondering if that's good for him.

Speaker 7 (01:40:40):
I don't I don't think that he's in he's in
the United States and he's in Maryland.

Speaker 20 (01:40:48):
Yeah, he's in Maryland exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:40:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:40:50):
I think you might have to clarify that I can
give you. He can give us a call and Partial
Health Education Network or RAP cancer as a matter of fact,
you can call to send it, send a text and
we can talk further. You you don't ingest radioactive pills.

Speaker 7 (01:41:06):
You may be.

Speaker 8 (01:41:09):
Yeah, it may be added to your prostate, but he's
not getting radioactive pills. Getting some hormone therapy but not
radioactive pills. Or they have infusion of something that's radioactive,
but he's not taking the radioactive about.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
All right, thank you, good luck right there? All right?
Twelve at the topic, doctor Crawford, thank you for the
information to share this mine. But how can folks reach you?
Have an email address to you on in social media.

Speaker 8 (01:41:40):
Yes, if anyone can reach me at rap cancer dot
org and it's Cake, I.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Just spell it with a W over the r's are okay,
rap cancer dot org, correct dot org.

Speaker 8 (01:41:57):
And the message can get there. If you want to
look for finn Prostate Health Education Network, you can send
us an email and that I'll get in contact or
give us a call.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
All right, doctor Crawford, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you for the work that you do looking out
for us. You know a lot of folks when they
get to your level expertise and whatever profession they're always
working for the other team, but you come back and
helping us. So really really appreciate it, and thank you
for the information you shared with us this morning.

Speaker 7 (01:42:28):
And I just want to make.

Speaker 8 (01:42:28):
Sure the ladies out there it's very important to get
screened breast cancer. The incidents of breast cancer is creeping
into the younger age groups. So Black women have the
highest incidents of breast cancer. When you talk about under forty,
the younger you get. So we need to and that
goes into that whole issue about stress and anxiety and

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a lot of pressure that's on on black women now,
just like the same pressures last month when we talk
about on black men. So I that you talk with
your doctor about getting screen and getting on some kind
of regular schedule to identify your identify cancer earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
All right, and sister for him on line seven, can
you make it quick for doctor Crawford, it's really really cool.

Speaker 21 (01:43:19):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Sure?

Speaker 21 (01:43:21):
Yes, I want to talk to the sister that checked
herself out of the hospital. Just like the doctor said,
you're in the DMV area and their number of facilities,
get a second opinion, and also go and look for
cancer research study. NIH has research studies. So he's mentioned
just as he mentioned, you're in the DMV area and
there's Hopkins, there's Washington Hospital Center. That's where my cardiologist is,

(01:43:45):
doctor Robinson. But get a second opinion and look for
a research study.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
All right, Thank you, sister for Hama. Doctor Crawford, all right.

Speaker 8 (01:43:57):
Call, thank you again. Always you want to do the
best we possibly can to make sure people live every day, right,
and then.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
You're doing it. So I thank you for the work
that you did and come back and all and service
our community. Thank you, doctor Crawford. Wow. Family, interesting conversation
with doctor Keith Crawford. Let's switch up now in fifteen
after top of the out doctor Tyrone Palace, Doctor Powers,
thanks for being so patient with us. We're trying to
help some people this morning. Well, thank you for being
so patient with us.

Speaker 7 (01:44:25):
No, thank you, and thank you for having me on call.
That was important and significant information. We always talk about
changing our community. Well if you can't, if you're not here,
we can't change our community. As I always say, if
you if you love your children, whether you want to
be here or not, it's insignificant. The fact that the
matter is they need you here. We can't abandon them

(01:44:45):
on the street corners of this particular nation because we
don't take care of our health. So that health piece
is a part of anything else we do to change
our condition and change our situations. As you know, I
went through an aggressive about a cancer three years go.
Ended up staying at the Kansas City Cancer Center Treatment
of America or the City or Hope now of being

(01:45:06):
Illinois for about five months getting a treatment for aggressive cancer.
And so I know in fact that that's an important conversation.
Sometimes it's difficult to hear, but my philosophy had always
been even when I went up there for treatment. If
you're not here, all the things that you talk about,
all the knowledge that you know, all the people you're
able to help, and all the people you're able to touch,

(01:45:28):
you can't touch anymore, and they may actually suffer from
a lack of your being here, in the lack of
your analysis. So not only do you want to attend
to your health for yourself, you want to attend to
your health for those who help your children and children's
children and all the other people and all the other
things you've done over the course of your life to
be a.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Part of the solution and I love that message. And
I'll tell you well, I've got two friends who have
been diagnosed with prostate cancer. They refuse to go to
a doctor or holistic doctor. They just refuse to do anything.
They think it's going to disappear overnight. Glad you said
what you said. Anyway, it's seventeen at the top of
the Doctor Powers, I got to take a short way.
We come back, we get into what you were called

(01:46:07):
to do. Discuss this morning. Family, you want to join us,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we take the
phone calls. Next family, Thanks for starting your week with
us on this Monday morning. I guess this former FBI
agent doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers just a favorite for
doctor Powers gets started. If you know someone who hasn't listened,
never turned them, call them up and tell them that

(01:46:28):
doctor Tyrone Pounce is on the radio. They'll thank you
for it. So Doctor Powers. First of all, the government
shutdown that we're going through right now.

Speaker 7 (01:46:35):
Your thoughts about that, Well, it's difficult, obviously, the most difficult.
The people who are suffering the most of the people
who are furlough and are because of all the threats,
are concerned about the ability to take care of their families.
In reality, I've talked to some people who I know
who work in certain intelligence physicians and they said, it's

(01:46:59):
such a sad situation because doing breaks and doing lunch breaks,
doing dinner breaks, you have these people who are adamantly
at each other's throats, the Democrats and Republicans, and they're
having dinner, they're having lunch, they're laughing together, they're talking
about family issues and family vacations. And then when the
cameras come on, they look like the most they it

(01:47:20):
look like they oppose each other, like their enemies. And
he said, the sad part about it is that even
as they laugh together, and that doesn't mean they're not
sincere about the stance they're taken, but even as they
laugh together, they are people in anxiety and fear and stress.
In fact, your last your guys guests just talked about
the danger and the significance of stress to people who

(01:47:40):
are already under stressed and sick. So it's not just
a matter of being shut down down and when you
go back to work, or if you go back to
work and it's the stress that you are producing and
so many people as to whether they will get to
go back to work, and if they go back to work,
what it will look like. And I think that the
people who are making the decisions don't really consider that.

(01:48:04):
But that's not a unique situation. I've learned that from
my position as a special agent and with the FBI
and also the supervisor with the FBI, that the citizens
sometimes become a means to an end rather than the
in and of itself. And that's the difficult thing about this,
the conversation right now, those subtle workers, their employees. The

(01:48:26):
advantage of the way they're going through this now is
that both sides, Republicans and the Democrats, are concerned about
people being unemployed as they hit the holiday season, which
is the day that companies and corporations go from red
to black. So they're getting pressure from the public obviously
to get to settle this thing and however they sell it,

(01:48:49):
but they're also getting pressure and President Trump is getting
pressure from his corporate friends and saying we can't go
into October and November with people being unemployed because this
is when and they spend their money with us, which
boosts our business would take us from the red into
the black. So there's a lot of consideration, a lot
of conversations going on. But the most difficult aspect of

(01:49:10):
this are the people who are phaarlough, who the programs
that have been cut, and the people who are losing
services as a result of this, as these people in
positions of power play a game of political chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
All right, fad me just to join us. I guess this,
Doctor Tyrone Powis is a former FBI agent, and you'd
like to speak to him. Reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
doctor Poerce. Recently, the Trump administration had a meeting with
some of our top generals. They flew them all in
from all across the world and come in for a
meeting and sit down meeting and sort of dress them down,

(01:49:42):
if you will. So that's how some people saw it,
the significance of that meeting, because people are trying to
figure out why couldn't this done by an email? Why
couldn't this done by zoom? How do you see it?

Speaker 7 (01:49:54):
Well, there's a couple of things here that is a
clear indication the disadministration and all those who are having
these agencies. The Secretary of Defense, he can call hisself
the secretary with the Secretary his title to the Secretary
of War. Come back from the early the Eisenhower administration
when the Dulles brothers, Alan and Foster believe that there
should be a Department of War instead of a Department

(01:50:16):
of Defense. And he's just regressing to that and hoping
that people don't realize and understand that history and how
austray it went with the Cuba and missile crisis and
everything else during that particular time. But it just a
clear indication of their lack of understanding of how intelligence
work around here and around the world. And I'm sure
that heads of intelligence agencies, whether they're in Russia or China,

(01:50:39):
is kind of laughing at this. First of all. Strategically,
strategically and historically, you can go back centuries, you never
bring all your military leaders together in one place at
one time, even if you have high security, only because
if something happened at that place and at that time,
they dispersing them and getting messages would be a difficult proposition,

(01:51:01):
even in the age of advanced technology. So it's not
even a good strategic move. I'm just talking about summing
them to all play one place in one time, because
you just never do that. There's no intelligence agency or
intelligence apparatus or security apparatus in the world in any
country that would assemble all the people in one location

(01:51:25):
at one particular time. You know, we even have policies
in this particular country which try to keep the president
and the vice president separated as much as they can.
Hawking back to what happened in Dallas, Van Johnson and
Kennedy was in the same motiicate, and then after that
we said, no, we can't have them in close proximity
to each other at the same time if we can
help it, maybe for a short period of time at

(01:51:46):
the White House or on some trip, but usually we
separate them for that very reason so that they're not
in one place. So it's just a clear indication then
we're under administration that it's trying to mimic some history
without an understanding of how this thing works worldwide and
other nations, whether it's China who have actually increased their

(01:52:10):
intelligence apparatus and their military lorialization and their military apparatus,
or Russia who has had it by Vladimir Putin, who
used to be had of what was then called the KGB,
who understand intelligence from the time that they were in
their mid teens, are looking at this and it's a
clear indication that they're dealing with amateurs in a nation
with vast capabilities, but without vast intelligence at the intelligence level.

(01:52:35):
It's for them to have an intelligence briefing with the
military people there, it's just not very intelligent. Secondly, there
are people in that room right or wrong, doesn't mean
you like them or dislike them, who have so much
military understanding and brilliants who fought in wars, who have
read intelligence reports, who have looked at and reviewed the

(01:52:58):
intelligence reports of other nations through the intelligence apparatus. That's
part of what I did was I worked the feign
counter intelligence and intelligence with the FBI, who are saying
to themselves and listening to Peter Headset and listening to
him give this message that other nations and intelligence agencies
are hearing and saying, this is the worst possible thing

(01:53:19):
that can happen. Now, we were trained that you march
for whoever is the president, whether they are the jackass
or the elephant, whoever they are the agencies and the
individuals who work for these agencies. The military command staff
march for whoever is in office, because their mind is
specifically and narrowly set on the defense of the nation,

(01:53:40):
so to speak, or the mission that the president has
in place. But they'll they'll sit there and listen to it.
They didn't understand it. It was the clear indication that
the inmates are run in the asylum, but they will
continue to do their job. But it made no logical sense,
and around the world it was kind of an embarrassment,
even though countries won't say it at this particular point
because of the threat of Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Having said all of that in twenty seven. At the
top are the fact that here's here's a five time
draft dodger that you never put on a uniform, and
he's going to tell us how to work what we
should do. Did do you think that went over? It's
like I'm telling the plumber what to do. I've never
i don't know anything about plumbing or electrician, and I'm
telling them how to do their job. How do you
think that went over?

Speaker 11 (01:54:22):
It?

Speaker 7 (01:54:23):
It didn't go very well. They won't voice that because
they're military people, and military people follow the chain of command.
So they won't express it publicly. They may express it privately.
They may express it amongst each other, and they may
express because it was such a a unprecedented and ramlin
presentation that truly indicated more than anything of lack of

(01:54:46):
understanding of how it works. They are probably in there
and they will never say this, and they never admit this.
They're putting contingency plans in place because this technically is
not a monarchy. So technically the three branches of government,
the government itself is not dictated by one individual, and

(01:55:07):
you cannot allow one individual to undo according with these
military leaders and intelligence officials and others, all that have
been done over the years. So even as these things
are taking place, they're probably contingency plans in place, which
creates a whole nother chaotic condition. And the Russians all where,
but especially Vladimir pet again one thing about whether you

(01:55:29):
like her or liked her a ditionlike didn't like her
politics conderlyse Rice did numerous books, did several books on
the mind of the Russian leadership, including their intelligence agency.
She wrote some detailed books that Stanford about this, which
is why Bush brought on as a national security advisor. Again,
you don't have to like their politics, but I'm just
talking about their qualifications. And if you read her books,

(01:55:52):
she can clearly understand how these people dissect the mind
of presidents of the United States and every other nation.
The psychological filet and the behavioral analysis is part of
your defense mechanism. Is how you decide on the strategies
you're gonna put in place, when you're gonna put it
in place, and how you're gonna put him in place.
And they're watching this too. It didn't go well. Now,

(01:56:13):
let me say this to you. Initially, the whole philosophy
of having the president as commander in chief was the
idea that you would have a civilian rather than a
military hawk over the government. And that was their exceptions
obviously with Truman, with Eisenhowell, who were both military commanders,
and then even with President Kennedy who was in the
military and wrote a book about his leadership on Pg.

(01:56:37):
One oh nine when he got injured on the boat
which led partly to him not being able to get
down during this assassination, which is another story. But so
we've had civilian people in those positions, but in almost
every case, to some extent, they have been intelligent enough
to delegate and to bring in people politics aside, like

(01:56:58):
a condoles of rights or other people who understood intelligence, history,
strategy and these things, and what the president did being
essentially incompetent on these issues themselves, but then other incompetent people.
That's why it is unprecedented to have a Pete headset
heading their defense agency. Usually if you're a president and

(01:57:21):
you're not Eisenhoward Trubren, you haven't been a military command,
and then you bring in people who have been because
you expect their knowledge over your knowledge. You are elected
because of your popularity or because of your presentation, or
because of who people didn't like, not based on your
expertise on all things military and intelligence, and defense obviously

(01:57:42):
is the number one aspect of any particular nation, because
if you can't defend your nation, you really don't have
an independent nation. So that's what we're looking at this
particular situation.

Speaker 15 (01:57:53):
And they all know it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:54):
All those military leaders who had fought in those wars
and rumors right or wrong, good wars and wars that
they should never have been involved in, in secret operations
and covert operations. All of them know that they're looking
at an administration and the top of organizations like the
Secretary of Defense, who don't have a clear understanding of
how this thing is done, and they do understand that

(01:58:15):
they're putting us country more at risk than they are
at any other advantage. Which is why China is getting
bold and bolder in this expansion, both militarily and in
its relationships with African nations and nations another part of
the world in the Middle East and so on and
so forth, because they believe they have someone who don't
understand it that they can have a conversation with. They
can give a few concessions to on Turffs, but what

(01:58:38):
weaken the nation technically militarily.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Twenty twenty eight minutes away from the top of other
Doctor Terren Powers, as I mentioned, he's a former FBI
agent and doctor Powers cash Betail and now runs a
department that you were involved. Is he on the brink?
Is some people are upset with his reaction to the
Charlie Kirk shooting. If he was at this fancy Manhattan
restaurant when they're shooting and he didn't rush out right

(01:59:02):
away and he gave to the account, you know, also
the missteps that he made, and they're adding them up
and saying that he'll soon be replaced. I don't know
if you've got any intelligence that you can share with us,
for folks who you work with or people who are
still in the agency.

Speaker 7 (01:59:16):
But what do you know, Well, he's not very respected
in the agency because of his lack of knowledge, lack
of discipline, and lack of what they call discretion in
other words, So when that particular incident occurred, the fact
that he came out immediately that he usurped the authority

(01:59:36):
and the professionalism of the local agencies because what the FBI.
The reason that Jegi Hoover created the FBI's National Academy
is that there was this feeling and it wasn't about
some evidence that the FBI always came in under this supremacy,
cause fulosity that the federal government has power over the

(01:59:56):
state and local government and took over cases and subjugated
the agencies. Well after that, realizing that that was actually
hindering FBI investigations, hindering what police agencies who were on
the ground every single day, was willing to share with
the FBI, they decided to create what they called the
National Academy, which they bring in police chiefs, police commanders,

(02:00:19):
and not only do they train them in the most
advanced technology and resources that the FBI and other intelligence
agencies or other law enforcement agencies have around the world,
but they tried to develop a relationship. At Quantico Virginia,
there's a location called the Boardroom, which is like a
bar and lounge within the training facility at Quantico Virginia.

(02:00:39):
And the hope was that after classes during a day
with these police chiefs, commanders, supervisors, so on, and so forth,
they would go up, they would have informal conversation, and
you would create a relationship. So when you had an
incident like what happened in Uchae, the director of the
FBI or any other agent special agent in charge of
that particular division in that location, wouldn't you serve the

(02:01:01):
power of the local authorities and try to make them
look bad or incompetent by putting out information without it
being a joint press conference, a joint conversation, or at
the very least getting permission or a nod if not permission,
if not formal permission from that agency that you can
put this particular thing out, So you're creating now with

(02:01:21):
this particular FBI director, a more of an antagonistic relationship
between the state and local agencies. They won't voice it. Again,
all of them need federal funding from this president for
their agencies to function. Because there's not a police agency
in the United States that doesn't get some federal funding.

(02:01:41):
It didn't get some federal help to carry out the
task and deeds that they do, they won't voice it.
But this is a unique situation for them for a
director of the FBI to be tweeting about a case
that at that time was essentially being handled by the
local police department because it was a murder, It wasn't politically,

(02:02:01):
he wasn't in a political office. He wasn't. Now the
FBI and at the behest of the local police or
the behest of the mayor or the governor of a
state come in and help them with that investigation. But
at that time it belonged to them. And so the
FBI director had no business whatsoever of sending out tweets
or press conferences or updates because at that time it

(02:02:23):
was still a local matter, and he overstepped his downs.
So and there is more of a heightened antagonism, and
these antagonisms are not minor in this sense that the
FBI can do nothing in terms of solving investigations of
our assistants from local police officers, local organizations in state

(02:02:43):
and entities because the agents are not on the ground
like that. You've got to remember there's twenty nine to
thirty thousand FBI agents in the entire nation with a
priority of fighting terrorism, counter terrorism, homeland security. They got
two hundred and sixty on federal violations that they have
to be involved in, so there's just not another for
them to go around, despite the technology and the force multipliers,

(02:03:03):
which is the technology in their relationships, but relationships is
one of those force multipliers. And when you have a
director of the FBI who are mitigating and overstepping boundaries
or things that have been built up so that the
force multiplier of relationships wouldn't be mitigating, then you have
a situation that create chaos. And some of them are

(02:03:24):
probably if not overtly, but covertly mentioning this to the
President and his administration, the disrespect of this particular situation,
and they hope it doesn't happen in the area and
then to go along with that, you have a president
who's senter National Guard in the cities where state and
local entities don't want them.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
And I thought, right there, Doc, we've got to step
aside for a few hours. We'll come back. We'll talk
about that as well, and Mike and DC has a
comment or a question for you. Family, YouTube can join
our conversation. Doctor Tyrone Powers, doctor Powers, the former FBI
agent's got a good book out as well as more
about that before he leaves. But reach out to us
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(02:04:08):
Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this
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(02:04:28):
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(02:04:50):
don't you finish your thought that Mike has a question
or a comment for you from Washington, DC.

Speaker 7 (02:04:56):
Yeah, I was saying those relationships that have been built, man,
most people a bound about them of being severed by
this administration. The state and local governments. Even the organizations
that are usually more in tune with this kind of administrations,
like the FOP a little bit concerned because when you
send in federal troops, what you're saying is that and

(02:05:19):
you're saying that the cities have failed. You're specifically saying
that police command, police officers, police lieutendants, police officers have failed,
and you've got to come in and show them how
it's done. That's the subtle message. So therein even they
have kind of a problem here is this is difficult

(02:05:39):
for them because they like the conservatism of this president.
That organization have always not been very progressive in my opinion.
But on the other hand, the subtle message is that
I'm going to send in federal people because your people
are somehow incompetent and can't do what need to be

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due to dramatically reduced crime in the city station nation.
So the FOP is of an organization that they want
the resources, but at the same time they see that
they're being insulted even as they're being by the very
people who in the philosophy that they support from a
political standpoint. So it's an interesting time about relationships that

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have been built up over the years that are being severed,
intelligence organizations and intelligence operations, and connections and relationships with
other nations that in the past have assisted in mitigating
their likelihood of reducing the likelihood of terrorist attack here
because other nations who had a relationship with the United States,

(02:06:42):
and for no other reason than quid pro quote, would
give the US information about potential terrorist attacks that were
going to happen in the United States. But they're not
so inclined to do that anymore. They're under the threat
of tariffs, they're being they're being mitigated verbally, and so
they're not an intelligence. The whole business of intelligence is

(02:07:06):
based on getting information from other people, other nations, other
intelligence agencies around the world, who you've developed quick pro
quo relationships with. Not because they love the United States,
because as Eisenhower was said, when he's president, no permanent friends,
no permanent enemies, just permanent interests. But they had an
interest to make sure the United States stays strong because

(02:07:27):
when the United States stays strong, it helped their economy
to help their people. But when you get into a
situation like this, we have seven relationships that make the
citizens of this country more vulnerable, and sometime we see it,
sometime we don't. Obviously, racism trumps everything. So if Trump
continued to strike that brush fire and turn that into
a forest fire, then all the other things that he's

(02:07:49):
burning down won't mean much to the average citizen because
they don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
Gotcha fifteen away from the top. As I mentioned, Mike's
waiting for us in DC, has a comment or a
question for you online to ground Rise and mikey on
with doctor Tyrone Powers.

Speaker 15 (02:08:04):
Grand Rising to you, mister Nelson, mister Powers and uh,
mister Kevin. Uh, mister Powers, I'll follow you a lot.
I admire your intelligence everything you do. You're really on point,
but you're off on this one. Lloyd Austin, are you serious?
Pete had said, compared to Loye Austin will get at
a Chinese airplane, balloons come across the United States, the

(02:08:26):
fall of Aghanistan. You went out sick for a whole
week and didn't let your president know what's going on Ukraine,
compared to Pete of that like that. But Pete has said,
did what he's doing right now bringing people back to
the United States, recruiting numbers stuff. Everything is up right now.
Oh yeah, the United States is doing really well. People
respect us around the country right now, around the world
right now. Just what the Trump people wanted and they

(02:08:47):
voted for and they get what they like. I call
on this radio show, I got a car, I got
you ninety nine percent correct. A lot of things out
threw at you all. Y'all don't realize what's going on.

Speaker 7 (02:08:55):
What's going on.

Speaker 15 (02:08:56):
When the city's right now, Trump going into the cities
and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
Not do it.

Speaker 15 (02:09:00):
It's not undermining the FOP and anything like this. These
federal buildings are being attacked and the staff they're understaff
are unmanned with the funding of the police, and they
they're asking for help, but because of political pressure from
the mayors and the governors and stuff like that, they're
afraid and they're embarrassing and they don't want to say
they want Trump up. The constituents, the people of the
cities of Memphis, of Baltimore, they're begging for these people

(02:09:23):
come in, but the politicians that they're trying to say
they don't want Trump. So, you know, I disagree with
you that I followed. I think of like ninety five
ninety percent of the time you're right, but you're wrong
on this one.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
Have a good day, thanks, Michael, and keep listening though,
okayse she made some statements, and listen because I know
doctor Powers wants to respond. Go ahead, doctor Powers.

Speaker 7 (02:09:42):
Yeah, I don't disagree with Mike that the cities want
to nobody. Every city in this particular nation, every community,
every neighborhood, and especially in our communities went to dramatically
reduce crime. They want a collaboration in the rejection of crime,
and now they take over or dictator ship. We could
reduce crime permanently this particular nation, if we instituted the
government of North Korea because they don't have murders and

(02:10:04):
crime in their country because of a kind of a dictatorship.
Same thing in Russia and the Krimlin. So I don't
think you're wrong. I think people do want assistance from
the federal government. I think police departments love assistance from
the federal government. But they don't want to be subjugated.
They want a collaboration. They are asking this president and

(02:10:26):
any other president to be quite frank with you, because
Clinton increased the number of policing and police staffs and
police agencies. They're saying, come in, we do need your resources. Clearly,
we don't want local taxes that have to pay for
all of this. We don't Nobody wants to be a
victim of a murderer or rapist, or a robber or
a carjacker. So we do want all we want collaboration

(02:10:49):
between the federal state and local agencies in our particular cities.
But we want it done as a collaboration, not as
a subjugation. And that's all I'm saying to you. I'm
not saying that people haven't asked for the help, that
people don't want to help, that people don't want crime reduced.
I was in Chicago two weeks ago giving presentations in
the community to different organizations who are asking me, how

(02:11:11):
do we accept that will help to dramatically reduce crime
Because I don't want to walk out my door and
be victim to a rape, or robber or a carjacker.
I don't care what race, color, creed, or gender that
they are. So we do need more of a presence.
But how do we do that without turning our communities
into occupied territories? And so that's all I'm saying. I

(02:11:33):
don't think what you are saying is in total disagreement
with what I'm saying. I'm saying that what has happened
with this administration is more of a subjugation. We're coming
in and taking over rather than a collaboration. How can
we come in and assist and help. I've said recently,
even here in this town that we're living in and Maryland,
because they're concerned about Morgan State University's homecoming event this week,

(02:11:57):
I said, this is the apotomy that you need a
collaboration so that you can police the perimeter of the event,
make sure everybody is safety. The collaboration between the Maryland
State Police and the Baltimore City Police or the federal government,
whatever intelligence apparatus they have to let you know what
the threats are. Everybody wants that cooperation. So I don't
disagree with that whatsoever. But what I will say, and

(02:12:19):
probably partially disagreeing, is that you have a Secretary of
War or Defense whose present he's talking to people who
are experts at what they do in terms of military
operations and intelligence operations. That doesn't mean that they can't
get advice, insight, and leadership from the Secretary of Defense.

(02:12:40):
It just means that they don't want to be talked
down to. They don't want to paternalistic relationship, because it's
not light that they have not done their job in
terms of the US military in their mind, all around
the world, in providing defense for this particular nation. It's
not like they haven't done their defense, their job at
the Naval Academy, at the at West, at the Army Academy,

(02:13:01):
at the individuals who go day and night or in
such under the oceans for six months a year and
in the and who are doing the work. They just
don't want to be talked down to a paternalistic relationship.
So I don't think i'm totally you're totally disagreeing.

Speaker 22 (02:13:19):
With me at all.

Speaker 7 (02:13:20):
I'm not saying that they don't want collaboration and help.

Speaker 22 (02:13:22):
They don't.

Speaker 7 (02:13:22):
People want crimes to reduced dramatically, But there's also a
method to that that impacts it long term as opposed
to short term. And I think that's the difference in
our opinion. Here. You do have a Secretary of Defense
that clearly don't understand how this is done in a
way that's effective and impactful. This doesn't mean that he

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can't provide some leadership and insight, but the way he's
doing it in a paternalistic condesend and relationship does cause
some consternation. And then not only that, it caused some
consternation around the world. And trust me, the Russians may
listen to the United States because you're dealing with two
superpowers along with China and some other nations, but they

(02:14:04):
are also always looking for weaknesses in leadership and understanding
and in operations. And that's fact, that's not hypothetical. I'm
not giving you that information from my emotion. I'm giving
you that from my experience working counterintelligence.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
All right, and also, you know typical Republican talking points.
He also wants you to compare Lloyd Austin to Pete.
Heseath he thinks of heccess. He's doing a brilliant job,
Lloyd Austin, because you have the health issues and didn't
inform his supervisors. So help him out on that point
for us doctor powers.

Speaker 7 (02:14:37):
Well, listen, I'm not going to debate what Lord Austin
should have done or couldn't have done his health issues
and all like that. You can't be in that particular
position without hopefully being at one hundred percent. I'm not
saying that, but Pete had said is absolutely, unequivocally not
qualified for this particular position. And I don't think anybody
around the world, besides those in this nation who like

(02:15:00):
Trump and then like whoever he appoints to a certain position,
would argue that. From a very academic standpoint, I think
if you look at the history of people who have
headed the Defense Department, besides the health issues and the
other issues and the administrative issues that the caller was
talking about, I don't think if you look at their qualifications,

(02:15:23):
their mindset, their understanding of intelligence, the people they put
in place, and the way they run their shop, even
though they were strong leaders, would suggest to you that
this secretary of defense understands the history of this particular
nation defense or intelligence to the point where other people
around the world are going to respect them. You might

(02:15:44):
respect them here because of our political mindset and because
of politics. But I'm just talking to I'm not even
talking about politics. I've always said that the student of
the honorbiologic Muhammed and Malcolm x set he said, I'm
not a Democrat or Republican and got sense enough to
know it. I'm not a jack ass or an elephant.
So this is not a political.

Speaker 22 (02:16:04):
Point of view.

Speaker 7 (02:16:05):
This is a strategic point of view that is based
in some realism about how nations work work. No matter
what they say out of their mouth, they also know
when you have a qualified leader in a position of power.
And they also know when you are actually motivating or
supporting those who you lead, as opposed to integrating them

(02:16:28):
and weakening yourself for the long term. And they will
take advantage of that. They won't come out and say it,
but they'll take advantage of that. That's what intelligence is about.
It's about finding weaknesses, exploiting them and then not necessarily
come out and having a conversation about it, because you know,
intelligence even all the way back to George Washington, the

(02:16:48):
first president, when he said that, he said, intelligent fails
for the lack of us keeping our mouths shut, of
a lack of secrets. Heads of intelligence agencies and strategic
fence agencies are supposed to get the work done without
giving presentation speeches or calling all these people together. All
the way back to George Washington, he said intelligence operations

(02:17:09):
failed for the lack of secrecy, for the people ahead
of these organizations talking too much instead of doing what
they need to do. And I think you see that
in Pete Hassets.

Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
And probably the rest of the appointees too, talking about
the irony about DEI how many of them are qualified.
I mean, nobody really questions that. I'm just saying that
that's just an observation. Family eight hundred four five zero
seventy eight to seventy six A con found a break
had a tweet question for Tweter says, please ask your
guest about Stephen Miller's announcement in Memphis, Tennessee, of the

(02:17:41):
launcher of a federal surge in the city attacking the
black community. They want to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 7 (02:17:47):
Yeah, I think that, and I've spoke to some people
in Chicago. I think the and you know, the mayor
of Chicago was under attack for some things. But I
think that what's happened here is that there's two things
can be true at one time. People want to dramatically
reduce crime. There's not a person in this nation, in
our neighborhoods or any other neighborhoods, it wants to be

(02:18:10):
the victim of criminal activity. What people don't want is
to call in friendly fire on their own position. In
other words, history dictates that when this happens, it's not
all for the good. So what people want is a
voice as to how this is done, how extra resources

(02:18:30):
are brought in collaboration rather than subjugation, as I said before,
And so that's what you have. In Tennessee and other places.
People are looking at crime, and we always talk about this,
crime is being reduced, cities are doing good work, and
Baltimore and other cities crime is being reduced. But say
nick crime is being reduced means nothing to the person

(02:18:51):
who was a victim of crime last night. So people
want the benefit of extra resources, extra presence, but they
don't want it done in a manner that disadministration is
doing it. This administration is saying we know what's best
for you with the paternalists that can condescending, and we're
taking over. We're not working with you. Because remember the

(02:19:13):
whole philipsity of policing, if you go back to Sir
Robert Pills, and there's nine principles of policing. As the
people are the police, and the police are the people
that everyone it works for everyone to have more peaceful communities.
And what you have here is an imposed situation where
you are afraid of both the cops and the robbers.

(02:19:34):
And when you're afraid of both the cops and the robbers,
you get these kind of chaos that's happening and the
cities across the nation when the President is saying coming
in and saying, I'm going to get rid of those
bad guys and bring in some other bad guys, and
history dictates that in the history of the United States,
and black communities.

Speaker 1 (02:19:50):
Are right well hold, I thought, right there, We're got
to step aside for a few moments, so our station's
gonna identify themselves down the line. I'll let you finish
up thought. When you get back. We've got some more
people want to talk to you. We got some tweet
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(02:20:12):
doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Tyren Powers is retired FBI agent.
It's kind of like the spook who said at the doors,
tell us some breaking down some of the information that
we're facing us right now and how we should interpret
what's going on. So doctor powerser got some tweet questions
for you, some calls for you, So I'll let you
finish your thought first.

Speaker 7 (02:20:29):
Now you can even go with that. Car, I think
that was pretty much complete, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:20:34):
Carl is in West Palm Beach, Florida, has a question
for You's online three Grand Rising. Carl, you're on with
doctor Tyrone Powers.

Speaker 4 (02:20:43):
Powers.

Speaker 14 (02:20:43):
I wanted to look at it from a different perspective.
I wanted to look at the movement of those of
us who have been captured by the county and tail
pro And I know once upon a time you was
talking about at least sounded like you were talking about
going on a tour and informing our brothers and sisters
as relates to what we've been fighting against, that invisible

(02:21:04):
force that has mellions and billions of dollars treatms of dollars.
And I was wondering, how are you coming along in
your efforts as it relates to trying to get that
kind of information to our colleges and our churches and
other places, and how is it being received, and what
do we need to do in order to assist you
to make sure that that information get into the ears

(02:21:25):
of the brothers, Inde Penitentiary and everywhere else.

Speaker 7 (02:21:28):
Yeah, it's it's going well. As much as the time
I have said, I was in a trial last week
for use of force cases, so I'm still doing my
expertise there. But when I was in Chicago, I actually
did a presentation called by Way of Deception, which dealt
with cointelpro had a great community response to the couple
of television radio shows, and I also met with some

(02:21:50):
people privately about how this impacts and I think that
with the young people, certainly, because again we don't we
talk about them a lot. We don't talk to them
a lot. We preached to them a lot, we don't
teach to them a lot. I think they're receiving it
very well as we talked. If you look back to
the movements that we had, the Black Power movement, the
Civil rights movement, and so on and so forth, when

(02:22:13):
we were actually trying to change our reality, and then
we switched to drugs and alcohol and we tried to
escape our reality. And those who were tired of us
trying to fight to change our reality, the same people
who did the assassinations and the breakup of organizations, whether
it was Fred Hampton or Malcolm X or Martin Luther

(02:22:35):
King or any of those organizations or here if you needon,
decided that they if we can get them more on
drugs and alcohol, that they can escape, We can get
them escape to their reality whether they had changed reality,
and we can take them from no matter how hard
you tried, you can't stop me now to I'm on
cloud nine. I'm doing fine. I'm on cloud nine. If

(02:22:58):
I can take them from from fighting to drugs to
medicating to mitigating their existence. Then I get exactly what
I get today. And that's why I think it's so
important because I don't even have to say this in
my own words. When I do these presentations, I bring
up all the co intel pro documents to show that
they wanted to replace fight with alcohol, drugs, sex, pharmosecurity

(02:23:22):
and competition amongst each other. That they found a psychological
button to push in our particular community. And that's why
all that fighting to change our community turned into again
something to medicate us and mitigate our community, which has
guide us here today. And then when you talk about
because you can't undo what you don't understand again is

(02:23:44):
they taught us in the FBI Academy superficial understanding can
only lead to superficial solutions, and the goal is solutions.
And we talk about this as I do these presentations
or talk in individuals in the prison. You know, there's
three aspects of all of us. There's intellect, they're passion

(02:24:05):
and their reason. We are very intelligent people. I don't
I don't. I don't be little our intelligence with anyone
in the world, and we're passionate about it. And when
we are intelligent and passionate, then we really speak because
we're so proud of our knowledge. But the last piece
that we have to get in place is reason. Everything
that we do have to be done with an objective.
Where is this going to take us? So if me

(02:24:27):
and Carl is in a conversation and we decide to
debate each other and I criticize each other, at the
end of the day, what are we trying to achieve?
And what the organizations have said doing cointail pro and
since co intel pro as it continues, is that black
people are good at intellect. They're smart. They've got a
lot of smart people, ain't no doubt about that, and
they're passionate about that. But reason, they don't get to

(02:24:50):
an objective, you know, the the the behavior scigniewit and
I said this, I testified before Congress at Maxine Waters
to this. They constantly said that black people are intellect emotional,
but they don't use the scientific method. They don't have
a hypothesis and get to a final conclusion. In other words,
you had you had the incident with Trayvon, where you

(02:25:12):
stand the ground laws after all the protests, the law
is still in place. So the noise without the solution
and without the reason. And that's what Cointelpro was designed
to do. You can your listeners call can go back
and listen to it itself, to pick our emotions, to
give us drugs, to have us escape from our reality

(02:25:33):
through drugs, alcohol and sex promisecurity rather than change our
reality to the movements through what Thurgood Marshall did and
what the Attorney Houston did, and what what Fanny new
Hammer and Mary McLeod Bethune and book it to what
besides what they were doing. They wanted to change reality.
They didn't want to get drunk, they didn't want to

(02:25:53):
mitigate it. They didn't want to get high. They didn't
want to open up places where we could buy marijuana
and smoke marijuana so we could ease our our stress.
They wanted to change our existence for the seizure and
so it's important cointelpro. Geronimo Pratt was so extremely right.
He said, if it's not being taught, then generation at
the generation, we will be battling against each other. Because

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one of the goals of cointail Pro was to have
me and you arguing, even if we had different methods,
to say that organization is not doing something. Were doing
this and then just do what you do. Let them
do what they do. The Student of the honorworldized Muhamad
and Malcolm xCE. Never confuse the methods with the objectives.
If the methods are different, that's okay. But if the

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objective is the same, I'll meet you at the finish line.
And what Cointail pro was designed to do is to
have us arguing about methods, have us calling each other names,
having us saying my organization is better than your organization,
my plan is better than your plan, and you are
so busy fighting each other. And that was the intent
of it, that we could not focus and be disciplined

(02:26:56):
enough to do what we needed to do for our
children and children's children. And when I walked through that
with the young people, when I did that in Chicago,
people had a lot of questions. One of the questions
was very briefly called. One of the people in the
audience said, Doc, He said, you're focusing on getting the
message to the young people, but what about getting the
message to the adults? And I said, what we are?
I said, because a friend I know who works in

(02:27:18):
juvenile justice in this particular state, said the people I'm
addressing now in juvenile justice. Are the children of the
juveniles I had in here ten years ago. So had
I gotten them straight who are parents now? Then I
wouldn't be dealing with their children and their children's children.
It's a method to this particular thing. You know, the

(02:27:38):
Devil's Brothers when they were talking about with Eisen Howard
and then with Kennedy and it with Johnson implementing coin
Telpro under Jago Hoover and allowed him to go wild
with it, said that it is an ancient game, but
we don't need to change it unless they become aware
of the tectics, tactics and the techniques. That's the exact wording.
It's an ancient game, this divide and conquered game. Just

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giving them drugs and alcohol like we did the Native
Americans to escape their reality. Then giving them energy and
focus and sobriety to fight and change their reality. But
to give them drugs to escape their reality. It's an
ancient game. Their exact language is, this is an ancient game,
and all we have to do is adjust the tactics

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and the techniques. And that's what Cointaeil Pro was.

Speaker 9 (02:28:24):
That's what it is.

Speaker 7 (02:28:24):
And if we teach that I'm trying to tell you,
and I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
With the students I'm teaching now on Wednesday night this week,
they get it, They walk through it. They are mesmerized
by the information we give because they know how the
tricks and traps and the trappers have worked in their life.
They've encountered bad educators who gave them grades just to
get by, and then they found out once they graduated

(02:28:47):
that they weren't qualify for anything. So they realized that
miseducation was a part of cointail pro, that misrepresentation, that
having them fight each other like Tupac and Biggie was
a part of the mis education and cointelpro Instead of
having two talented people use their talent for the betterment
of the race, put them against each other and use

(02:29:08):
it for them to destroy each other, which is the
gold of cointail pro. So I am advocating that at
every HBCU because HBCU still do not have a cointail
pro course. It's like a Jewish university not having a
Holocaust course that is required. They don't give it down.
Whether you're majoring in engineering, medicine, or law, you will

(02:29:29):
take this course because you need to know how this happened.
You need to know that during the Holocausts in Germany,
the medication and the equipment and the gas chambers were
supplied by American businesses, with American businessmen supplying the technique,
tactic and the gas itself so that Hitler could carry

(02:29:49):
out when he was carried out. So you are not
food by people who come to you and say that
was a horrible incident. But I turned around to say
to them, but you gave. He couldn't have done it
without you. So that's what cointail and teaching them that
bad so we can evolve, advise our young people how
to avoid the tricks in the traps, and even as adults,
so we don't get caught up in silliness. I've always

(02:30:10):
said I've been criticized and critiqued across this nation, and
I've never responded to it because if I spent energy
doing that, then I can't spend energy working to better
our community. I've got to have thick skin so that
if you say something about me. I think one of
our leaders said, is not what you're called? Is what
your answer to? If I don't answer to that, then

(02:30:32):
I can focus on the mission. If I answer to that,
and I got to stay stop and deal with you,
and I don't have time to do that. This life
is tonight.

Speaker 5 (02:30:40):
It's not infinite.

Speaker 1 (02:30:42):
Safe to say that cointel is still working today. So
all those folks who are attacking black people, whether they
be groups or individuals, can we mark them suspect.

Speaker 7 (02:30:52):
Well, listen, cointel pro is extremely effective. I think I
mentioned this the last time I was on your program.
A supervisor called me in because I was talking about
them still infiltrating mosque and infiltrating churches, and I said
coin Telpoe was supposed to end during the nineteen seventies.
Congress said it had to end because it wasn't oppressive operation.

(02:31:14):
And my supervisor at the FBI, I write this in
my books, said to me. I testified to this before Congress.
He said, Doc, you keep talking about morality and ethics
and what's right and wrong. We do what's effective, not
what's right and wrong. We'll let the preachers and the
philosophers and the theorists argue moralogy. We're doing what's effective
once and I'm not saying we should do that, should

(02:31:37):
adopt the same mindset. But we at least have to
understand that that is the ideal of the people who
are using techniques and tactics against us. Now I don't
really have time. The reality of the matter is that
everyone should demonstrate dair loyalty. So when people used to
question me, said, we're using the FBI. You came out
of the FBI. Why should we trust you, I said,

(02:31:58):
don't trust me. Thank god you said that, because I
want to earn it. And if I don't earn it,
then you shouldn't. If you disagree with something I say,
like the call that you had on earlier, I'm upset
with him. Whatsoever. If you disagree with what I'm saying,
go do your own research, because maybe if you disagree
with me, it will motivate you to try to prove
me wrong. And in motivating to prove me wrong, you

(02:32:21):
won't find something on your own that will allow you
to even be more a part of the solution. I'm
not asking you. I tell my students every week. Education
is not supposed to tell you what to think, and
it's supposed to tell you to think because I know
for a fact, with the brilliants of black people, if
we truly begin to think, we truly begin to decipher,
we truly begin to research and understand these operations that

(02:32:43):
be placed against us. Our progress will not only be great,
but it will be immediate. Right now, people are pushing
our buttons. They're using the best of us against us.
They have us arguing with each other, they have us
arguing whether we are an elephant or a jackass in
this particular situation. And as my friend just told me

(02:33:04):
from the intelligence a YO in Washington, DC. He said,
last week, they were all having lunch and dinner together
and joking about the situation, and they came out and
gave press conferences and looked like they were enemies. If
we understand the methods, the tactics, then we can understand
even though they're using an ancient game, which is their word,
just changing the tactics and the tactics, and we can

(02:33:25):
change that particular situation. And it starts with educating our
young people. I said this the last time I was
on call. Whether it's formal education or in formal education,
education is the greater, greatest crime reduction apparatus. Education is
the greater apparatus to reduce drug and alcohol use in

(02:33:45):
our community. Education is the greatest entity that can reduce
the lack, that can help us stop being terrorized. And
every one of our leaders have said it. We just
ignore them because we got to come up with our
own solution. Marcus Garby said book that you washed, and
said it w e be divorced. Even when they oppose
each other, they all agree with this. Doctor Cartagey Woodson,

(02:34:07):
the author of The Miseducation of the Negro Noble, We
drew our lead. Bob Marley said it, and damn near
every song he sung he talked about they don't want
us to unite. All they want us to do is
to keep on fussing and fighting. He said this in
every song that he sing. So the solution have always
been education, but we've been so caught up and we've
allowed others to push our buttons, so that when somebody

(02:34:28):
called doctor powers the name, I'm so busy trying to
counter their argument that I can't do what I was
born to do and what God the mission that God
gave me. So I don't even engage in that anymore
because I understand what Colin Telpro was intended to do,
and I refuse to allow it to help me to
take any of my energy when I'm trying to help
young people change their existence and their reality and not

(02:34:50):
escape from their existence in reality with drugs, alcohol, sex,
prom of security and crime.

Speaker 1 (02:34:55):
And thank you for sharing that a fifteen at the
top of our family to stay away from because they
try to get you into arguing. This is one of
the things that Dr Welson tell us about counter racist
policies that she shared with us. A black person trying
to argue, either just shake your head and just move on,
just keep it moving. Nearly Fuller said, just keep it
moving because those people who we see especially they're attacking

(02:35:16):
black people, especially today, they're suspect. I'm not going to
say they're agents, but they're suspect either that the low information.
We got a bunch of folks that want to talk
to you. And also, let me just say this, by
the way, I forgot to mention his book is titled
Ice to My Soul, The Rise or Decline of a
Black FBI Agent. That's doctor Tyrone Poalace book Eyes to
My Soul. Because he's not here to sell a book,
but I want to mention you want to know more

(02:35:37):
about doctor powers, pick up a copy of his book,
Eyes to My Soul, The Rise or Decline of a
Black FBI Agent. Anyway, we've got to step aside for
a few moments. We'll come back. As I mentioned, you
got a bunch of folks want to talk to you.
I also got a lot of tweet questions for you,
Doctor Powers. You're out there. You want to drain this discussion,
reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero
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Next and Grand Rising Family Facts, just starting your week

(02:35:58):
with us and our guest, the doctor Tyrann Powers, doctor
Time Tyrone Powers is a retired FBI agent now teaching college.
I've taken a lot of stuff that you hear on
this morning and stuff of the news. He can analyze
it for you. We want to do that. They'll reach
out to us at eight hundred and four five zero
seventy eight seventy six. I mentioned before the breakout, a
bunch of folks want got questions for doctor Powers. So
let's go with Craig Online. Two. He's calling from DC Craig.

(02:36:19):
Your thoughts, your question for doctor Powers.

Speaker 23 (02:36:23):
Yeah, Grand Rising, I wanted to follow up on something
that the doctor said earlier about education being number one
in terms of reducing crime. I would put jobs up
there as well, And I wanted to know if in
those communications from the States and the cities when they're

(02:36:46):
trying to I think he said create relationships. This job
growth a part of their discussion as a measure to
prevent crime, and this is prevented to technique as opposed
to just being totally a reactionary say that. Then my
last point is Pete head set for everybody who was

(02:37:09):
paying attention is a d U I higher and everybody
knows that. I'll take my answer.

Speaker 1 (02:37:15):
I thank you, all right, that's you said, d u I. Okay, gotcha,
thanks Greg, Doctor Powers.

Speaker 7 (02:37:22):
Yeah, that's that's a sainisicant point. But let me let
me just say I'm not separating, and I think we
can't separate economics from education. Remember the person who said,
at the bottom of everything, there must be economic independence
for our people was Booker T. Washington. But he was
president of Tuskegee University, so he wasn't just talking about
education in the sense of giving everybody a formal education.

(02:37:45):
He was talking about trades. Because you remember at Tuskegee
if you were a student there, even if you were
majoring in law, you had to grow your own food.
He made them build their own downs because he said,
in America, even if the government, even if you can't
find a job, you have to be able to go
out back and plant cucommas so you can feed your family.
So you don't have to pray on your brother. So

(02:38:06):
I don't separate too. But the job issue is extremely important.
I just want to emphasize this. We have been working
with organizations that are helping young people to get positions,
but here's the education piece. We've got young people that
we've gotten three or four positions for and they let
go every time. One young man said he went to work.

(02:38:26):
Thank you for the position. The money was good, he said,
but there's a guy there who keep telling me what
to do all the time, and I got angry, so
I quit. What we didn't do is prepare him for
a job. The person who was telling him what to
do was a supervisor, but he's never been employed, so
he didn't have the education of how they deal with
an employment situation, whether it was a trade, whether he

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was an electrician, or whether it's in some other office.
So there's an education piece even to job creation and
job continuation, because even if we get them a job
and they don't have the education, and I don't mean
formal education, but the ability to understand the hierarchy of
how it worked. If you hired him and you as
a supervisor and he's getting mad at you for telling

(02:39:09):
him what to do because nobody explained to him that
in a job situation, they're supervisors, their plans, they are
objectives for the day, then he won't get that. So
what we had to do was back up with the
young people we were getting jobs and before we send
them out onto these jobs, because economic development is extremely important.
It is to get them prepared not only to get
the position so they can have work, but to keep

(02:39:31):
the position so they're they're on time, so they're doing
what they're supposed to do, so they understand the hierarchy,
and so that they increase their skill set as they're
going along, so they can go from jobs to careers.
Because we don't just don't want them to have economic development.
It's not just about having a job. It's about having
a career that you can take care of family, take
care of yourself for the next twenty thirty forty years
and maybe have a retirement plan. So it's both. So

(02:39:55):
what he's saying is extremely important. The economic part, as
Booker T. Washington said, is at the foundation of everything else.
But you understand economics and the key what you make
or the invest what you make, or to say, what
you make. There's an element. There's an education aspect to
that too, and we are learning that tremendously as we
get these young people jobs, but they're not necessarily keeping

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them because we didn't do the other part of preparing
them how to go to work, how to dress for work,
how to what to do a work, and how the
work hierarchy work. Whether they're working for a black company
or white company, there are certain moves they have to
apply and discipline which requires which requires some understanding, which
is part of education.

Speaker 1 (02:40:36):
That's an excellent point. I've seen so many young people
fall in that trap too, Doc, when they get on
the job and then on the politics of work, and
they get caught up with who said he said and
all that kind of saying them yeah, yeah, true, yep, grateful,
great point. Twenty five After the top down, I've got
some more folks want to talk to you. Brother Mohammad's
reaching out to us. He's in Upper Marlboro, Maryland, Islama

(02:40:57):
Lake Grand rising Brother Muhammad. A question, Doctor Tyrone Powers.

Speaker 17 (02:41:02):
Webilelacolm Stalam and Grant rising to you all doctor power.

Speaker 22 (02:41:05):
Is a pleasure to hear you again.

Speaker 17 (02:41:06):
You may recall you and I on a panel at
whur and Terrorism sometime back in yourself well five years ago,
and so I listened to you and I absolutely agree
one hundred percent on your analysis co Intel pro and
then continuity of it. But I want to throw something out.
You tell me what you think. Yes, I want you
to imagine separate in the park from someplace like DC

(02:41:29):
where the president can federalize the police. You can't do
that in Chicago. That's a municipality, have their local police, etc.
They just had to raid in Chicago at that apartment building. Yes,
what happens in a situation like that where the local
police people call the local police and they come and
they grab they see these deputies doing things that are
clearly violation of Chicago law. Has anybody discussed that as

(02:41:54):
to whether or not that is a continuation Again, when
you talk about Cointel Pro, it turned me everything in
law enforcement, from the local to the national and even
to the international. So, now, is there any strategy for
putting when you have a black mayor of the city,
the local forces against the national forces for the purposes

(02:42:16):
of protecting the citizens, because if you don't, you potentially
create anarchy on the streets. What do you think about that?

Speaker 7 (02:42:23):
And I have a following, Yeah, and now we brief
with this because you have a follow up and another
the callers working. There is a antagonistic relationship between state
and local police departments, and most mayors, because they don't
want chaos, they understand that's provacation from the federal government.
Because they don't want chaos, usually tell their people to
stand down. Now, on the other hand, think about this.

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There's a requirement by law of a duty to intervene.
So if you see anyone, whether they're in whether you're
in blue jeans or blue uniform, abusing people, technically you
are violating the laws, violating your administrative policy not to intervene.
So if the federal authorities are abusing some local individual, technically,

(02:43:06):
by law you have to intervene. But unfortunately, many mayors
now because they don't want the chaos and the provocation
of telling their people just staying down, back out, or
don't help but support and leave, which still leaves as
you as indicated if you have indicated the public vulnerable.

Speaker 17 (02:43:26):
Now, Part two of that is I saw a video
the other day and I was helping out a young
attorney who does immigration, and here's what happened. I guess
these guys were non uniform pretending to be ice or whatever.
I think they're just deputized, et cetera. I don't think
they really have to train it. But they show up
at an immigration court where a person was seeking asylum.

(02:43:50):
Asylum means that he has a right to be here,
and he potentially has a court order to be in
court for a particular hearing. When they show up, the
person refuses to answer any questions, and there's a bystander
who's telling them, don't answer any questions, don't give them
your name, etc. And he's asking these people over and over,
do you have a warrant? Do you have a want?

(02:44:11):
Do you have a warrant? Whenever you interphere with a
judicial process that is a court order, having been in
a thousand court, whenever you interfere with the juicial process,
that's obstructing of justice, especially even if it's an asylum hearing.
Does the stand down that we talked about, does that

(02:44:35):
does that accentuate the kind of chaos that we see
with people snatching people out of asylum hearing? Or would
the enforcement of that particular law, that is calling the
local police telling people not to talk, calling the local
police and saying this person is violating in a court
order and placing the police against these deputies, would that
be more beneficial in your mind? Or would it be

(02:44:57):
more detrimental? And again, can they were already at the
point of almost anarchy or chaos?

Speaker 7 (02:45:05):
What could be worth well two things and real quick
because I know called got other calls. But here's why
you are having ice. Individuals wear mask and hide their
identity because they are clear that local states attorneys, if
they wanted to, could identify those officers were violating people
constitutional right and could charge them criminally or could take

(02:45:28):
other actions against them. This explains why you are having
ice officers because they know they're in violation of the law.
They know they don't have probable cause. The constitution requires
that you can't overstep the bounds of the constitution. They
know that if they don't have a want of probable cause.
According to the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution, there's
certain steps they can't take. So the only way they
can prevent themselves from running into maybe a state's attorney

(02:45:52):
with some courage and some wisdom and the willingness to
do it and some boldness is to hide their identity.
So all you can say as Ice was here, but
you can't say officers so and so, because remember when
we do civil lawsuits, and I know you're already familiar
with this, or when we do legal action, you name
the officer and the agency. What they've done is put

(02:46:14):
people in a position of not being able to name
the officer. The officers have masks on they don't have
their names on their uniforms, and they are anticipating it.
At some point, maybe a strong state's attorney, maybe and
I've been based, maybe somebody will say, wait a minute,
this has gone too far. I'm actually charging them with

(02:46:34):
a local crime and they have to appear in court,
and they can't be pardoned by a president because he
can only pardon federal crimes, so they'll avoid that particular
situation is why you see the mask in the lask
lack of identification.

Speaker 17 (02:46:47):
You know, I appreciate it, and I love your book.

Speaker 22 (02:46:49):
By the way, Casey wanted to know Ball.

Speaker 11 (02:46:51):
We'll over do out there.

Speaker 17 (02:46:52):
It's a very good book, right or one of the best.

Speaker 7 (02:46:54):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 10 (02:46:55):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (02:46:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (02:46:56):
Call for your time as well.

Speaker 1 (02:46:57):
Thank you all right, thank you. Brother Mohammed twenty nine
away from the TMS in DC's Online three has a
question for your grand rising brother TM. You're on with
doctor Tyrone Powers.

Speaker 15 (02:47:08):
Yes, the morning as usual.

Speaker 12 (02:47:10):
He's cooking.

Speaker 22 (02:47:10):
He's the cooking.

Speaker 6 (02:47:11):
Last time I called and he's cooking, and I'm calling
right now. Let me get to it real quick. What
is the most overqualified defense secretary in the United States history?
Last I check, I think it was a speech star general. Okay,
and the current what defense secretary can't even carry his
military lunch box? Now, let me just say this, Let

(02:47:32):
me get to give you the question.

Speaker 20 (02:47:34):
Do we really.

Speaker 6 (02:47:37):
The terms.

Speaker 12 (02:47:39):
Thousand different definitions of what what is the terms?

Speaker 6 (02:47:43):
Do we need to take the guns, the nis, the
bombs and other things that we uh uh harm in
each outherle with off the streets immediately, or do we
continue with the terms angle the doctor in criminology told
me years ago that what.

Speaker 12 (02:48:05):
Was policing it was deterrence the appearance of the of
the law enforcement there. That is what deters crime. Tell
me what you think about that, because strange things that
happened in America. Good names are going off in people's
home and the the name was about thirty years old,

(02:48:25):
so they're key thing those type of weapons in their homes.

Speaker 22 (02:48:29):
And of course what's going on all over America.

Speaker 12 (02:48:32):
Talk to me, doctor, appreciate everything. Love your commentary, Appreciate it.

Speaker 22 (02:48:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:48:38):
Yeah, I think I missed part of your question because
you were breaking up. But the Cancer City experiment and
your criminology professor probably told you this talked about the
impact of police presidence, or the more presence of more
police in the area, and while it did reduce crime some,
it didn't reduce it significantly. So I'm not suggesting that

(02:48:58):
a more presence in a particular area as a deterrent.
Because we all know that we're driving down the street,
we see a police officer in our resnew mirror, even
if we're going to speed limit. We look down at
ours pre dominant, which is why the continuum of use
of forces start with the mere presence of the police officer.
That has an impact too. The guns in the nows
in our community and the weapons in our community that

(02:49:21):
we use against each other would be it would be
great to dramatically reduce that. I don't think though I
did an interview. I was called the one by to
do an interview with the National Right Or Association, and
they were asking me about, you know, don't people have
a right to bear arms and so on and so forth.
And now I said to them, in a very strategic

(02:49:43):
move in that particular conversation, that I think every law
abiding black person in America should have a weapon just
because of the history of this nation and the fact
that black people have been constitutely intruded upon. So I
think we have to be able to defend ourselves and
find our homes and defend our homes. That's not what
they were looking for. They were just looking for it
right to bear arms. Not necessarily we need to write

(02:50:04):
to bear arms because of what you all have done
and what has been done to us in this particular nation.
But what I can say is that there's never gonna
be a time when they remove all the guns, legal
or illegal. And if they did. I think that that
would be a difficult proposition. Coleman Young, who was mayor
of Detroit during the time that I was serving there

(02:50:26):
as a FBI agent, said to the public when they
asked him about reducing guns and gun laws and Detroit,
he said, I refuse to disarm a city full of
black people. They're surrounded by counties and royal areas full
of white people who have all kinds of guns and weapons.
He said, I would have to believe in the innate
goodness of those that surround us before I disarmed everyone

(02:50:49):
in the city. He said, I want to disarm the
criminal element. I wanted to disarm people who had the
mental capacity and the reason to be able to have
this ability to defend themselves. He said. But the only
way I would get rid of all guns is if
you if I got rid of the people in the county.
And then gil Scott Hearing came out with a wonderful
song called the Gun, and he said, the philosophy seem

(02:51:09):
to be as least as near as I can see,
when other folks give up their as I'll give of mind.
So you always will have this tension, especially where you're
dealing with black people, And the reality of the matter
is the majority of black people are not involved in violence,
even if they have weapons. They're involved in self defense
and their homes and of their family. And there is
a portion of our community that is involved in violence

(02:51:32):
and involved in hurting people, and we have to deal
with that. We can't ignore that. But that would be
my answer, should should we?

Speaker 15 (02:51:42):
So?

Speaker 1 (02:51:42):
Are you are you saying that we should patrol our
own communities then, or should we rely on people either
FOI or and all these anti gang groups, especially we
have in Washington, DC era Should we rely more on
them than say, the Metropolitan Police Department and the other
law enforcements in the district. I'll let you respond to
that after we take the short break. It's twenty four

(02:52:03):
minutes away from the top of the our family. You
two can join our conversation with our guest, former FBI
agent doctor Tyrone Powers. Reach out to us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll
take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks
for starting your week with us again. Our guess is
doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers is a former FBI agent.
My doctors got a bunch of folks from across the

(02:52:24):
country got questions for us. If you can show up
on the answers that appreciate it, Let's go like line five,
Larry's calling from DC has a question for you. Larry
your question for doctor Powers.

Speaker 9 (02:52:36):
Hello, Baron Rising, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:52:40):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (02:52:40):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (02:52:41):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 9 (02:52:42):
Okay, sound like a problem with the line anyway. What
I wanted to say was when I hear Elijah Muhammad's
name interjected, I just want to say, you know, happy
birthday to him tomorrow. Yes, sir, we need to acknowledge.
We need to acknowledge that and what we're not looking at.

(02:53:03):
We're always looking outwardly instead of inwardly. When it comes
to the violence, Dick Gregory and the facts and the
data proves he said it before that forty eight percent
of the crimes committed in this country are done by people, family, friends,
and people who know each other. That's the systemic problem

(02:53:27):
that need to be dealt with. That's the inwardly problem. Now,
when you look outwardly, the infiltration comes from those who
where they tap into the redeemable characteristic of envy and
jealousy and a lack of resources, so they use money.
They infiltrate us with.

Speaker 7 (02:53:44):
Drugs, neutralize us with that, but we will always.

Speaker 9 (02:53:48):
Be infiltrated because that envy and the jealousy, and we
don't speak enough about the informants. Now see, you would
be considered yourself, Sir, cannot say late the spook who
sat by the door, would you say that?

Speaker 7 (02:54:05):
I haven't labeled myself as anything? But I think I don't.
I don't know if I had the intent as Sam
Greenley's carriage and the spook who sat by the door
went in with an intent. I don't know if I
had that intent, but I can't. I guess I could
accept that.

Speaker 3 (02:54:22):
Okay, lot of your question real.

Speaker 1 (02:54:23):
Quick, because we've got a bunch of folks trying to
get at doctor powers.

Speaker 9 (02:54:27):
Okay, lastly, how do you think that we will ever
conquer infiltration when you have over two thousand and three
thousands of informants that look like US men and women
who will work against with the enemy against their own people.

Speaker 1 (02:54:44):
That's it, thanks, Larry, good question, Doc.

Speaker 7 (02:54:48):
Well, yeah, he made he made a great deal of
good points which I can't all address right now. But
I just think that that education piece and understanding coin
tail pro and as he talked about, well, how help
us the things that happened in the past of organizations
like the Nation of Islam and how they infiltrated them,
how they divided and conquered. Understanding that because if you understand,

(02:55:09):
you can't counter what you can't understand. And that's why
I keep saying, understand that, Well, let's help us reduce
or mitigate the impact of anyone who opposes our community,
and also dealing with the issues in our community, which
is all part two of the miseducation, and that I
said before the fact that they had us escape out

(02:55:29):
problems through alcohol and drugs rather than to address our problem.
We were fighting these things for a while and then
we decided to just get high.

Speaker 1 (02:55:41):
Fifteen away from the top. Now let's go to Kansas City.
Roberts wading versus online too. Roberts your question for doctor Powers.

Speaker 22 (02:55:49):
The top of the morning to you and Carl, I
wonder has a Trump thought that these are national guards
who are in We're in DC and going to be
dispatched of the cities. Has he has he considered the
fact that these guards are not going to be staying
in these cities indefinitely, so so, so what happens when

(02:56:13):
they leave? Get It looks like to me everything is
going to go back to normal. What what are you
What is your thought about that?

Speaker 1 (02:56:19):
Robert? Wait, hold on second, Rober, we lost you for
a second. Can you repeat your question again for doctor Powers.

Speaker 22 (02:56:25):
Well, I was telling doctor Powells that these National Guard
troops that Trump has just dispatched to these different cities,
they're not going to be able to stay there indefinitely. So,
so what happens when they finally do pack their luggage
up and lead It seems to me like everything is
going to go back to normal as far as crime.
So if everything's going to go back to normal, but

(02:56:46):
then what was the purpose of it in the first place,
other than something political that you're trying to achieve?

Speaker 1 (02:56:52):
All right, thanks Robert?

Speaker 7 (02:56:54):
Well, yeah, and b see it is. It is a
political It's another cold maneuver. Now, there are such things,
and as you know in law enforcement, in the military
and also in the intelligence agency, call an SOS a
show of force. But you hope to show a force
for a little while dramatically drive down crime and then
replace it with something that would permanently get rid of crime.

(02:57:18):
Because what you're hoping is that the major perpetrators of
things that were occurring has been removed by the short
stay of the individuals who are present. But being that,
the National Guards are just a presence and there's no
long term plan or operation. And this is why I
said to the caller earlier, there has to be collaboration

(02:57:38):
because as this caller just said, at some point, they're
going to vacate, And what is the long term plan
to sustain whatever success, if you have any success that
you've achieved by this short term presence. And I don't
think that's the thought process because it's more political than purposeful.

Speaker 1 (02:57:58):
All Right, thank you for your call, Robin and Kansas City.
By the way, Doctor Power's book is called Ice to
My Soul. If the Rise or Decline of a Black
FBI Agent eight one hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seven six. Professor amaraj checking in from California.
He's on line four, Grand Rising. Professor Ahmenrah, you a
question for doctor Powers, Grand.

Speaker 24 (02:58:16):
Rising Carl Nelson, and I just want to accompliment the
guests was as well Frome Knowledge and expression. It's hard
to stop crying when you have criminals running the government
from the president giving pardons the people who break the law.
And if you if you you have gun controls in

(02:58:38):
one state, it's not in another state. So enough people
can go where have the money, like they do with abortions,
go to another state and get the abortion. I'll go
to another state or gun show and get a gun.
And at the same time, it's very difficult when you

(02:58:59):
have so many cons meant in then it's been indicting
but stealing. What kind of example is that with regards
to crime control? And as an FBI is im I've
spoken out about the pardons, how much stand for them
of agencies they work hard to arrest these people and

(02:59:20):
then get them convicted and then pardon to under some people.
After the Jack on Washington, Thank.

Speaker 1 (02:59:30):
You, Carl, all right, thank you, Professor Amar doctor Powers.

Speaker 7 (02:59:35):
Yeah, he made some I think he just made points.
I don't know if he had a question, but he
made some extraordinary points. But and then I always say
this call, and I want to say it now. I
know we're running short on time, but there is solutions
to these particular problems. And I think in a lot
of our communities there's a lot of organizations and a
lot of people putting things in place to mitigate the
long term impact of these things. I know we're talking

(02:59:57):
about and highlighting things that have gone wrong in continue
to go a wrong across the nation and with our organizations.
But I don't want us to be to make the
audience so pessimistic that when they leave, when they leaving conversation,
they want to go to a bathtub and slip their
risks of bathtub. There are people working for solutions. There
are solutions. That's why, that's why you have your program.

(03:00:19):
You bring excellent guests on with people not only with
identifying the problem and identifying the contradictions as the college,
as the professor just did, but also some concrete solutions.
And I am convinced as I talk to young people
and people across the nation. Like I said, the lecture
we had in Chicago, the people who came out and
we had a conversation now a yelling match. They didn't

(03:00:40):
ask them to agree or disagree with me. I don't
need people to I'm not a pastor, so I don't
need an amen or you tell them. I don't need
all that applause. But I do think that there are
people who beginning to get this, and the more information
you give out on your particular program, we can pass
this on to young people in a way that's not
condemnation but strategy, conversation solutions. And I think we'll see

(03:01:04):
a change of behavior, even if it's incrementally, and even
if we're not seeing it overnight. I do think that
this is there is a way, and there's a group
of young people, and there are people, and not only
young people, but people who are putting things in place
that are allowing us to be optimistic about the future

(03:01:25):
and somewhat about the present.

Speaker 1 (03:01:27):
All right, eight minutes away from the top out of
I guess, doctor Tyron Palace, let's go to Brooklyn, New York,
or more more approperly, bet Stein, do a diabetical A
brother's checking in, he's online. Three brother Shahed your question
for doctor Powers.

Speaker 25 (03:01:41):
Grand Rising, Grand Rising, wonderful conversation. Uh question Uh Doctor Powells,
Uh can you name or anybody listening to the program now?
I wanted to find out the name and location of
some gun clubs that lawbiding black men and women have

(03:02:05):
going so that we can learn we black men and
women lawbiding black men and women can find out how
to properly use, maintain weapons and all or range where
we can go and learn to properly stoop these weapons.

(03:02:26):
And the second thing is I hear people talking about
things and I wanted to say that, doctor Powells, I
do not believe, and you can speak to this. I
do not believe you are the only brother or sister
in these state institutions who are thinking the way you are.
Because people think about all they infiltrate us, They infiltrate us,

(03:02:49):
and see that's a one way thinking because see we
infiltrate them everything they've got re in it. So to
address that, please, Yeah, two things, I agree with you
that we need to be everywhere.

Speaker 7 (03:03:03):
I think we always talking about the Jewish population they
integrate without assimilating. Sometimes we integrate and assimilate at the
same time. I think we need to be everywhere because
there's information that we can bring back to our community.
I can't tell you the number of politicians and others
that I've had private meetings from and I said, this
is how they're going to come at you, this is
what this looks like, this is what's happening now. And

(03:03:25):
they've been able to change there and they can't be
public discussions all the time, but they've been able to
change their operations in a way that allow them to
stay in positions of power which allow them to continue
to help our people. So I think there are people
doing that. I think that, on the other hand, because
our people have been damaged so much by these particular agencies,
people like me who do come out and give information

(03:03:47):
have to have thick skin because they're going to be
people who accuse you and their accusations. But I will
stay over and over again. Just stay on mission. Minister Farrakhon,
when I had dinner with him, he said, just stay
on mission. I mentioned this before. He said, if God
give you a vehicle, a destination, and a mission and
a mat get in a car, he said, don't wreck

(03:04:07):
the car trying to kill a gnat. Stay on missions,
stay on destination, and eventually you arived there. So I
understand the critique and the criticism of me. It doesn't
bother me because I have thick skin, because I understand
my mission is peer and then my integrity is piers.
So I continue to pursue that particular mission. And I
think there are other people who are doing this. Sometime
in private more so than in public. We're very public people,

(03:04:30):
so we like an audience. We like preaching, we like sermons,
we lock sessions, and we like attention. But if you
go back to Harry Truman, as much as a racist
as he was when he said that, you'd be surprised
of how much you can accomplish when you don't care
who get the credit. Then I think it can be impactful.
And I think there are people who are being impactful.

Speaker 1 (03:04:50):
All right, sticks away from the top, right, let me
apologize other folks. We didn't get a chance to asking
questions with doctor Palace, but I got one question. We
got like sixty seconds, sixty seconds to respond onto the
tweet two that says will put Patel and BONDI ever
released the names of the famous people involved with the
pedophiles in the Epstein case.

Speaker 7 (03:05:08):
If not, why, I don't think they will ever release it,
But I think it'll get released. I think they don't
want to well, I don't want to say it too loud,
but I think they don't understand how many people they
are upsetting. People who have access to that. And during
my time in the agency, people who have the ability
and have had the ability to download and copies that
it will eventually release it, But you.

Speaker 1 (03:05:31):
Would think it's out there, somebody's saying it, you know.

Speaker 7 (03:05:35):
I think that people are I think people have seen it.
I think people are out there. I think people are
doing two things, the timeliness of the release, to protect
themselves their family. When you're dealing with an administration, it
is extremely vindictive and dictatorial, So you have to not
only decide that this information is worth releasing to the public,
but you have to release it in a way or

(03:05:56):
get it out in a way where you can see
the results and that you don't end up not existing anymore,
having your family harm during the release. You've got two
considerations whenever you deal with releasing that kind of information.
And I think that it's proper for people to plan appropriately.
And I can say that from a very personal standpoint, right.

Speaker 1 (03:06:20):
And of course there's just in the news this week
that I think it was a judge. Her house was firebombs.
She ruled against Donald Trump, so the MAGA people went
after just blew up her home. But anyway, having said that.

Speaker 7 (03:06:32):
In security, yes, you do starts in place, and you
have to have a group of friends so you don't
necessarily announce all the time, but you have to put
things in place. That's just good strategy. That's not being paranoid.
That's being prepared. And as I always said before, being
prepared isn't the same as being paranoid, even though they
start for p and being conscious isn't the same as
being scared. And being strategic will lead us to solutions

(03:06:54):
that are lasting rather than which are superficial in short term.

Speaker 1 (03:06:59):
All right, doc, uh, before you go, tell us how
folks can follow you and the title of your book
one more time.

Speaker 7 (03:07:05):
Yeah, I owe you some people some books who did
email me last time? I email us powers at T
Powersconsulting dot com. Powers at T Powersconsulting dot com. You
can get the book almost anywhere. Any vendors should have
it or be able to get it. But also African
World Books, which is the distributor. I'm owned by Brother
nine T and Everyone's place here. You can see them
online or so even if you're not in the state

(03:07:27):
of Maryland, you can get it to them, which I
recommend because they're black owned and black operated and they
operate internationally.

Speaker 1 (03:07:34):
Right, Thank you, Doc, Thank you for sharing your thoughts
with us this morning.

Speaker 7 (03:07:37):
Thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (03:07:38):
We're done for the day. Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in
Baltimore on ten ten WLB and then the DMB on
FM ninety five point nine

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