Dr. Tyrone Powers on Federal Troop Deployment and Epstein Files

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're facing with the most submissive yourself.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for kicking off your
Thursday with us. Later, FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers will
take over our classroom, Doctor Powers, who will analyze the
government's decision to deploy troops and the FBI agents on
the streets of Washington, d C. Doctor Powers will also
discuss the release of the Epstein files and the changes
in the agency caused by that release. But before doctor Powers,

(00:56):
DC humanitarian actors Sinkler Skinner will up there. That's honest,
I Love Black People campaign. Also Wayne on the troops
on the streets of the district. But let's get Kevin
Robin the classroom doors and get started this Thursday morning,
Grand Rising, Kevin Grand.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Rising, indeed Carl Nelson, Welcome to Thursday, the twenty first
of August. As everybody says, where does the time go?
I tell you, man, it's I guess it's like you're
having fun, you know, your whole life. It depending on
how you look at it, what your perspective is. Time
flies when you're having fun and you know, living another

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day on the planet, and how.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Are you feeling, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm still learning, Kevin. You know, I'm trying to master
learning something every day, and then when I learned it,
hopefully I got a chance to use it to incorporate
in what my daily routine or somewhere down the line
it'll come in handy and.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Then incorporate a bit of teaching to it, and assimilation
becomes the whole rule of the day.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I suppose, oh yeah, you like that, I do well?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Well then, just speaking of teaching, then when is about
this African Union urging the adoption of the world map
that shows the continent's true size. I thought I worked
at Triple A Ones right where we do maps, and
all day long I'm looking at maps, and I thought
that maps were drawn basically with a with a mathematical

(02:32):
equation to make it fit the page.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Opposed to the.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Map of Africa, the continent of African is purposefully being
made smaller, even in comparison to what would be the
actual numbers they use to put up the rest of
the continents. Can you explain that? Make that clear? The
African Union now wants they say, the correct map.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, because you know, brothers and sisters on the continent.
Don't make the maps of the globes. Manufacture of the globes.
It's done by the Europeans. And what they did they
intentionally made Africa the continent smaller in proportion to the
other continents. And this all started with one of the
Sahala nations, Bikino Fosso, Captain Tour Terrari. He says, hey,

(03:19):
it's time to make the change. You know, he's looking
at all things. He's going doing a comprehensive review of
how Africa's treated on the world stage, and he says
the time has come for them to use the real
dimensions and figures for the continent. The whole world should
know that Africa is just as much and much bigger.
And so when he said that the African Union, who

(03:39):
he's had some issues with it, they picked up and said, yeah,
they're also demanding that we draw it. But my thing
is one, why don't we just draw on maps? You know,
I understand that the Europeans, you know, control most of
the media and all everything. So you know, they put
out a map and it probably won't get be validated
because it's you know, come from black hands. But this
is what they're telling the world. Now we're much bigger

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than what they've been telling you folks. So let's let's
get an accurate, uh dimension of what Africa is and
put it out there so the world can see. Because
Africa is much much larger than what was depicted in
some of the maps and the globes that you see
out there today.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
So the version that we see mostly is from the
Mercantur and Google Maps switched from the mer contour Am
I saying that right? Mer contour on the desk, Makato, Yeah,
to the three D globe view in twenty eighteen, though
users can still switch back, so the the three D

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globe view is more accurate. Africa is the second largest
nation in the world.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
It's a continent, and I mean to say continent.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I mean to say yeah, I meant to say content.
They wait a second, it was a Freudian slip.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
That yeah, no, no, that's not a problem because many
people to think that Africa is a country.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
But go ahead, yeah, right, Yes, Africa is the second
largest continent in the world, and so they want to
make sure that that's shown correctly on the map.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Hence this move of correct the map.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Like the World Bank, United nations want to adopt the
equal Earth map.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
So well, that's good.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Let's let's let's let them make the change. That's that's great.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Hopefully we'll be able to see we'll be able to
see the difference too. And so you were talking earlier
about Trump's new secret directive to send military action in
Latin America under the guise of a drug war.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, he's supposed to. Now this is the latest thing
that's going after the cartels, and uh, you know Mexico
has already told in Mexico and Venezuela says, hey, listen,
you you're you're not going to put American troops on
our on our soil, you know. So what he's done,
he's got, he's got I guess you're in the navy, right,
he's got the military. You know, they're the Navy coast

(06:01):
Guard and all you know, the ships at sea are
all you know, patrolling looking for looking for cartels who
are offloading drugs. But you know, the thing is how
close are they going to Are they going to remain
in international waters? Are they're going to go on you know,
set foot in Mexico or set foot in Venezuela. That's
this this is where, you know, this is where it

(06:22):
gets really sticky, because if you do invade that, that
would be an invasion. If they do, you know, do
that just get out of international wars, not necessarily put
foot soil on Mexican soil or Venezuelan so but just
you know, just transverse out of international waters that would
consist of an invasion, and Mexico and Venezuela bracing for

(06:43):
stuff like that. Those are the world's all white keeping
an eye on that as well.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah, And they say that the US has used the
war on drugs as an excuse to advance the US
imperial geopolitical designs in the Western hemisphere.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
And so it's an interesting development there because.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
All I know about the drug cartels, maybe many people
are like me. It's what you see in the movies
and TV shows, And attacking the cartel is a whole
different thing than sending the military on foreign soil, like
that foreign soil is an international incident. But Mexican President
Claudia Shinbaum lashed out at Trump, saying the United States

(07:29):
is not going to come to Mexico with the military.
We cooperate, we collaborate, but there's not going to be
an invasion that is ruled out, absolutely ruled out. President
Shineberg shinebaumb spoke and Monday at the conference.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
What do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Oh, yeah, she's standing the ground. Yeah, she's a sovereign country. Again.
Once they move out of international waters, then they're in
the territory that belongs to Mexico, Oh, Venezuela. Because those
are the two countries he's really targeting, and he's in fact,
he stopped some of these countries in the region from
doing business with the United States because one they did

(08:07):
business with Cuba, with Cuban health Brigrade. You know, Cuban
sent doctors to these countries. So it says, well, you're
not going to get help from US since you accepted
help from Cuba. That's one. But then he's talking about
the drug what comes through it and says many of
you now he's using, you know, entry into the United
States if you want visas. I think we talked about

(08:27):
this before. They have to, you know, fifteen thousand dollars.
Someone of our guests made share that with us, a
fifteen thousand dollars, but I think it was doctor Horn,
Gerald Horn. They have to put up fifteen thousand dollars
per visit, per visitor per visit. You know, wow, so obviously,
and we we got the World Cup coming up, Soccer's

(08:49):
World Cup next year, we got the Olympics coming up
as well, and already people are not coming to the States, Kevin.
You know, for the first time that the more people,
more Americans went to Canada than Canada Canadians coming to
the US. So Canada is still still still kind of
still kind of upset with what Donald Trump is said
about the country.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Does Donald Trump have a plan or is he just
making this up as he goes along? It just appears
to be uh, you know, he's got an idea. He
wakes up and go, wait, I got another idea. That's
not an executive order.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
He's busy, you know, forget about what he did with
with the with the museums. You know, he says to
the museums, he wants museums to talk about what's in
the future. Doesn't understand what the museum is. There's too
much stuff in the past that there's nothing that it's pleasant.
The slavery wasn't pleasant.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah, right, the past hurts.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Look, In the words of Walter Crink, that's the way
it is.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Let's go to the Cosmopolitan World Travel at Large, Sinclair Skinner.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Brian Rising, brother Saint Clair Canichi.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Why my bro look look at a bar and somebody look.
I don't know what else. My wife knows better, but
ye can eat you. I was celebrating our nice anniversary,
the anniversary definitely, yeah, happy anniversary. So it feels feels good.
And uh, I mean, y'all's future is already uh seven

(10:21):
pm and in Tokyo time on Thursday, so that part's cool.
And uh still you know, still doing the good work.
You know, you're operating an international tech startup. You know,
we got our team in Nairobi, Atlanta and Harari, Zimbabwe
keeping the trains running on time and making sure we

(10:42):
hit our deadlines as well as, uh, you know, keeping
up what's going on in the world.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
What's the weather like there in Tokyo?

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Man, it's hot.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
We go.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
We went out to the man it's it's like ninety
four degrees.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Man at seventy they got.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
A good well right now is not it's probably like
eighty something. But it was hot today and they have
like these bus tours. But you know that with the
open top I'm like, look, so we did the subway.
They got a very This subway is super clean, clean
and efficient, and uh yeah, super great. Got to kind

(11:23):
of you know, walk around the city real people, and yeah,
definitely have you.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Learned any have you picked up any Japanese?

Speaker 6 (11:33):
I'm terrible with that car This whole language statement has
been but I look, I tell my tongue is so colonized.
You know, they didn't even speak to English, right, I'm
just you know, at a lot to use a lot
of hand signals. You know, I use hand gestures, arm gestures,
eyeball gestures. I tried to do nonverbals as much as
I can just to kind of get it right.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Right, Well, yeah you do a slight bow and say
how to got them? How to got them? Instance?

Speaker 6 (12:02):
So I didn't even she that I already got them too.
I was like, okay, yeah, I appreciate it. And in
the subway they have it in English and Japanese. There's
a lot of even you know, at ms, the different
things that we've been engaged with, there's a you know,
these ability of course select multiple languages. So that part
has been great.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
And which which anniversary is this? Again?

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Nice? Nice? Nice?

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
I was a late bloomer getting married. Yeah, first person
last Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Absolutely, Hey, as long as you get it right, you know,
as long as you get it right, that's bless.

Speaker 8 (12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Emotionally it's probably the best. Like I know, this is oldest,
slowest and and every ballders I've ever been. But as
far as being married, it really added to my emotional stamina.
Like you know, having someone sharing for you and rooting
for them, it's just a good that energy. I was
definitely missing that in March.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
So romantic congratulations.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think has just been real. That's what it is, right,
what good for you? Congratulations? I guess let me ask you, so,
is that much much talk about what's going on in
the States in Tokyo?

Speaker 9 (13:18):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (13:18):
You know what the energy I feel out here, you know,
I think there's still a love for the United States
image like I was. Especially you're talking to people who
speak English, so you're going to get a slight bias.
I I was probably engaged with Japanese people who haven't
traveled or haven't don't speak English, but I you know,
I was speaking a couple of them, and they, you know,

(13:41):
I want to move to California. They was loving La
and you know, all the imagery and these are relatives
are younger, you know, twenty somethings that were still you
know that propaganda.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Let me jump in here, here for a second, let
me jump me here for a second. They say they
want to move to you know why though baseball baseball,
the Dodgers the best baseball place of the Dodgers Japanese.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
Yeah, they yeah, they they he amazed, like you know,
so I'm clear on that. So the imagery of the
United States is I think in the popular culture still
has a real big impact in Japan. We're gonna we're
planning to go to Nagasagi to go to a memorial
of the second atomic bomb that was dropped, just to

(14:34):
you know, pay pay honor to the folks that passed
and that. And the last time we were here we
went to uh Roshiama. So I thought, you just you know,
when you go to When I went to Roshima, I thought,
you know, there a legacy of people having a level
of hatred or you know, distrust for the United States.
But I mean the energy was you know, just a

(14:55):
you know, relatively positive energy just interacting with fu. I
just could imagine if if Japan had bombed you know,
New York. I don't think New Yorkers would have a
good interaction with Japanese. But you know, being someone with
an American passport, speaking American dialect of English, you know,

(15:15):
folks of course were definitely hospitable. And you know what
was done to these places, those horrific I mean, these
were civilian spaces, these weren't military bases. They dropped on
one in Hiroshima, like right when kids were going to school,
like it was really a horrible, horrific thing. But the
only countries they ever done in the United States dropping

(15:37):
these bombs. Now there is an anniversary though I think
it's eightieth anniversary of the Chinese talking about the Japanese
invasion of China. So there is an interesting context between
the issues that Japan dealt with with the atomic weapons
and then they're imperiless interest in China in their context

(16:01):
of the history being held accountable for what Japanese did
to the Koreans and to China. I thought that was
interesting too. Even you know, when I was here before
a lot there was a lot of masks, this even
before COVID, but I didn't see as many masks but
they're clear that the COVID came from China. I was like,
when I talked to you both like came from China.

(16:23):
Japanese was like, clear, this is from China. I was like, wow,
this is interesting.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
But yeah, that's sixteen after the top. They half family,
just waking up. I guess his brother seeing clear Skinner's
join us from Tokyo, Japan this morning. We gotta step
aside for a few months and we come back though.
Question for you, You've seen a lot of folks who
look like you on the streets of Tokyo since you've
been there. I'll let you respond when we get back. Family,
you want to join this conversation. We can talk about
a lot of things we have brother seeing Claire, especially

(16:49):
is I love Black people campaign? And also get his
response to the troops. Now I'm patroling the streets of
his city, Washington, d C. What are your thoughts? Eight
hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Get
you in and we'll take your phone calls.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
Next Yea.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
And grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Thursday morning. Happy Thursday to you, I guess
is brother sin Clia Skinner's joining us from Tokyo, Japan.
This morning was the evening in Tokyo, uh Brother Saint Claire.
My question here before we left for the break was,
are you seen people look like us on the streets
of Tokyo these days since you've been there?

Speaker 6 (17:43):
You know what, I've only seen maybe about four. And
you know, I always try to do the head you know,
the head nod uh test, you know, and I think
I think we're like going out of four. We did
a head nod. We've got acknowledgement from another one brother,
I think it was three other brothers that we didn't
get any They didn't want to make eye contact, didn't

(18:05):
do the we got to bring the head nod back
like I don't know what what's going on with that,
but she's always you know, my dad did it like that.
You know, he taught us, you know, just to acknowledge
another brother's sister in the room just with the head piece.
And some folks you know, and look, you know, they
can see you, like it's almost like you know, you're
getting the elevator with Europeans, everybody try to look away

(18:27):
from you, like, you know, folks see you, but they
go out of their way not to see you. So
it is what it is. And then you know, always
we always wear that I Love Black People t shirts.
So again in the Air Force, we did a lot
of enthusiasm for my brothers and sisters in general. On
the streets, I think we saw either three or four
and I'm only one person gave a head not back.

(18:49):
And I always I always speak and always acknowledge full stop.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, and I wishould do here as well, you know.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Each other like yeah, yeah, the young young crowd doesn't
do as much. That's one of the things. Again we're
talking about launching officially Lauchington app October fourth. So I
love black people, you know literally A part of us
creating the space that's safe for us is that acknowledgement
and communication and connection, you know, creating a global safety
that involves us as people, not just locations. So I

(19:22):
definitely agree with listen in DC at any time, our
unity is going to make us stronger, and so we
definitely need to be on code with that.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah, because it was a time and those of you
of our certain age remember this where people say what
time is it? Which is nation timing? You have your
fist and you know, yeah, you double pump your fist
down over your heart and in nation time, you don't
even know if the person is at nation time, What
time is it? Brother? Nation time? You're not asking what
actual Yeah, that's for some of us back in the sixties.
We'll remember that. But listen, since we're talking about the

(19:53):
streets of Tokyo, about the streets of Washington, d C.
Your hometown right now, they got a federal troops patrolling
the streets, and some people say that it's necessary because
a crime is out of whack in the district and
the people who run the city have not done a
good job in tempering down the crime rate. Your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
I think we got probably the best mayor in the
world through Muriel Bowler. I think bar nine. I don't
think there's a black leader a living that has been
as powerfully successful as she has been. I mean, she's
a three term only woman, black, white are green to
ever be elected three times as a mayor of a

(20:38):
major city. So that's not me saying she's amazing. That's
the electorate three times electing her to be mayor. So
even if someone disagree with me, they had to disagree
with her being contested in winning three elections for folks
to say, this is who we want to lead us.
And she's done that through the first term of Donald Trump,
where she's the one who actually put the Black Lives

(21:01):
Matter literally in the street. Now, people were putting it
all over different parts of the country, but she put
it literally right in front of the lighthouse. Literally this
this is the mayor we're talking about in her first time.
And then literally that same mayor had to deal with
the January sixth insurrection. I literally her. So you started
thinking about this is a single mom, doctor, the daughter

(21:22):
while she was in office, little sister Miranda. That's the
woman that's been leading this district.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Hope we haven't lost a brother seeing Claire, Kevin, can
you check if for we lost brother seeing Claire. You
know things like this may happen. Calling this from Tokyo,
Japan this morning and it's the evening time for him
find out. We're going to find out more about his
campaign I Love Black People campaign. He says. He's wearing
the T shirts so all over Europe when he travels,

(21:52):
he wears it to Africa, he wears it in the
state side because it's about black unity and right now,
we're discussing the troops in the district. We're going to
wait on the troops in the district. We're gonna get
that question. Post that question to our next guests as well,
doctor Tyrone Powers and talking about some of the issues
that's going on in the agency, like the Epstein files
has created a havocate in the agency FBI, and now

(22:13):
they brought in an assistant to Bongingo. So it's going
to be interesting to hear the conversations later this morning
about what's going on, especially in Washington, DC and the
things that we start off what Donald Trump was doing. Uh,
we're putting the military on on on I guess on call,
if you will, going after the cartels out in the
Caribbean and also off the coast of Venezuela and in

(22:35):
the Gulf, the Gulf of America, Gulf of Americas he
calls it with the Gulf of Mexico. So we'll see
what happens with that. But let's just see if we
can hook up back with brother seeing Claire and find
out what it's like being in Tokyo on a Thursday
and August Thursday summertime there and see what's what's what's
going on and how they feel about us? He said.
He basically said that they kind of like us, you

(22:56):
know that. And I've always heard that people who go
to Japan and I know some folks who were married
to Japanese and uh, and they kind of like Americans,
despite the fact that we bombed them twice, you know,
but that was it seems like that's the way in
the past. This generation of Japanese, young Japanese, they you know,
they can't relate to that what there This was something

(23:17):
that happened to their grandparents and so so for them,
that's that's that's in the history books. That's something they
talk about in the history books. Let me remind you
all we have some time here twenty six after the
top of the Tomorrow's Friday. Tomorrow is going to be
another open phone Friday program, and please don't wait at
the last minute. We always always have a bunch of
folks who couldn't get on would love to hear from
what you have to say. We begin promptly at six

(23:38):
am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten ten
w LB and also in the DMV on FM ninety
five point nine and AM fourteen fifty w O L. Right, Well,
Kevin's working and getting Sinclair back on the right. Now, okay, cool,
go ahead, Sinclair, I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Oh yeah, I was just talking about Mayor bows On
which he's had to deal with with d S And again,
so many people don't even know that d C, you know,
has taxation without representation and all, you know, the lack
of sovereignty, the lack of having representation in Congress that
can literally, you know, affect change and committees as well

(24:17):
as in voting. So again, what she's done and what
she's had to do in the belly of the beasts
as it were, its been very you know, compelling, and
we just you know, want to make sure she gets
more help in Congress. You know. One of the things
that you know they did this this year is literally
they held up a billion dollars out of her budget,
out of the d C. This is DC taxpayer money

(24:38):
that was held up because they try to treat the
district budget just like they treat agency budgets. And again,
this money wasn't from the federal Government's money was from
the citizens of the district and they and she's been
able to do that, deal with that in spite of
that a billion dollars shortfall. Just imagine your own household
having to deal with that literally and do that without

(25:01):
laying people off. And again, if you understand what's been
going on, and I know you do, with the DC area,
they actually have laid off and let go of so
many districts me excuse me, federal government employees. That's drastically
impacted the economy of DC. So there's not as many
people spending money, not as many people to have the

(25:24):
ability to spend money. So d C has been under
attack for now, you know, it's been years. But even
the fact that DC doesn't have statehood, which could have
been addressed when the Democrats had two parts, both parts
Houses of Congress and the White House, they always would
push DC and say, oh no, that's too provocative, right now,

(25:45):
let's not deal with that. And here we are with
a Republican as tyrannical as Trump is in office, and
now d C hasn't the tools that any other state
or any other place would have in order to protect
cit and from being invaded by federal troops. Again, this
is again, this is un American, as they would as

(26:08):
it comes about denying of the sovereignty and the ability
for people to go about their way without being you know,
the military this is you know, this is probably one
of those things. Is for telling what could be in
store for many other parts of the United States. And again,
this whole militarism, we've seen it in the genocides and

(26:29):
the different things going on, and oftentimes we say it
can't happen to us. Well, if they're bringing in troops
right now, you know, in the United States under the
guise of somehow protecting people, you know, again giving up
your freedom for security. Ben Franklin said, you don't deserve
even one of those two. So again, I think as

(26:49):
US citizens, as you know, real human beings, that this
what Donald Trump is doing the United States has done
as a foreign policy since it's it originated, and now
is continuing to do that to his own population. And
that's that's a real problem. They do a crime either,

(27:09):
I don't think you had anything to do with crime
if they wanted to stop crime, you know, even what
you had said about overseas with the drug cartels. The
biggest issue with crimes of that large proportion is the
financial system. You know, you know, I'm heavily involved in
bitcoin and blockchain. You can't even move money without the
government being complicit with all the anti money learning laws, KYC.

(27:33):
You know your customers. If the government wanted to stop
these the proliferation and trafficking of guns and of drugs,
these things aren't being sold with pesos, they're not being
sold with bitcoin, They're being sold with us D. And
if they stopped the flow of USD, they would stop
the flow of these drugs and these guns that come

(27:56):
in our community. And if that was what Donald Trump
was was was about he was serious about stopping crime
in the United States, he would be doing that. But
this is not about that. This is about the proliferation
of violence. This is about again taking people's sovereignty away.
So we're clear about the difference between stopping crime and

(28:18):
stopping people's humanity.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
All right, interesting analysis there, brother Sinclair. But let me
let me ask you this, since it's not about crime,
because the crime rates went down and we know that,
and all these other states are sending I don't know,
after you're getting the news in Tokyo, Well, all these
we've got a bunch of states now sending and if
their forces to patrol the streets of Washington, d C.
Pretty soon, we're gonna have more armed folks law enforcement

(28:41):
on the streets and DC than Washingtonians. But the question
is why, what is this? Is this a precursor to
what he wants to do, because he's already you know,
implying that he wants to do the same in New York, Chicago, Uh, Baltimore.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
L A.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Is this a tactic? Is this a you know, this
is a test?

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Do you see a test ground for his future plans?

Speaker 6 (29:03):
I think your point. He's not even putting a bunch
of law enforcement on the on the ground. He's putting soldiers.
And that's the issue. Like, these aren't people who have
been properly trained in law enforcement enforcing laws. These are
folks who literally government issued there to kill like that
that this is the problem with this. This is not

(29:24):
about law enforcement. They're not putting you know, military police
on the ground. They're putting soldiers who, again, as they're
you know, what they've been instructed to do, they're not
that's not what they've been trained. So we're literally putting
in harm's way our citizens, our young people, the PTSD,
unless our young people are experiencing being again oppressed by

(29:48):
being just the presence of this uh uh, these intruding
and invading forces is again there's going to be a
consequence as well beyond just this immediate a time. So again,
I don't think any of this is about making sure
our people are safe. You know, this is literally about
how do we I think it's racist, of course, and

(30:10):
I think because these are places led by black leadership,
especially a black woman, these are the things that are
being done to harm and control and intimidate our people.
And you're you know, my biggest question is, you know
where we need more of our leaders outraged about what's happening.

(30:31):
And unfortunately, you know, I think in the Congression Black
Caucus and some of these other leaders. You know, you
got a mayor that doesn't have any statehood, who doesn't
have the means that other city mayors would have. You
would think that folks would come out through support her.
And you know, you got to all these mayor organizations.

(30:52):
They should be coming out in supporting this system because
this is what she's dealing with. If they don't support her,
it'll be coming to their cities too. So the district
is literally you know, the high population of black people.
He knows that he didn't get the votes of this area.
But all the folks who left DC through gentrificational they

(31:12):
should be holding their governments accountable to make sure their
hometown doesn't get harm and humiliated and people harassed. It's unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, And since we're talking about man brass and then
I think she's doing an outstanding job. She's got to
thread the neil as you mentioned, and some people understand
that how the political game is played. But I've heard
some of one of the critiques I've heard, and I'll
let you analyze this, because she was there when Marion
Barry was running the city. They said they wouldn't have
happened on Marion Barry. Your thoughts, I mean, if.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
They say that they don't remember the control Board with
Andrew Brimmer, I mean, these things happen because of strong leadership,
not because of week leadership. So these are the same
things that were done under Marion Barry. I mean, we
really look at the Control Board, even when they had
put limits on term limits on DC. These are all
things done in response to strong black leadership. So I

(32:08):
don't think that's true. I think anytime you have a
strong black leader, like a Mural Bowser, you're going to
have them make attacks like this where it's like unlike,
they can't get her with a scandal, so they got
to attack her using these things that you would never
even fathom. Like, I mean again, not just the soldiers.
You know, how can they just take a billion dollars

(32:29):
of the budget and say you can't spend your own
money and then be able to continue while they're literally
laying off people in the federal government which directly impacts
the DC governments. I mean DC's economics and their economy
what she's dealing with right now. Again, these are things
that many cities, if it goes unchecked, are going to

(32:51):
ultimately see. So yes, you know what's going on. Would
it happened under Marion Barry because not just because of
their leadership, but because DC and this area the DMV
represents some of the best of the best and brightest
of our people. So they know that they can subjugate
us here, then what through the brothers and sisters of

(33:11):
other parts of the country and the world, what are
they going to be able to do? So we got
to stand up and make sure and this is not
just the government, like we got to hold Maurial accountable.
We got to hold the politicians accountable, and we got
to hold ourselves as business people, as workers, as community members.
You know, brother Malik Zulu Shabaz is doing a great

(33:33):
deed where he's reaching out to people that are lawyers
because he's a lawyer and asking them if they file
any complaints of if any of these folks of violating
their rights. I mean, we got to use all our skills,
like even with the I Love Black People app one
of our areas is legal and we've been asking for
everyone that here's my voice to recommend, you know, Pan African, friendly, Black,

(33:58):
friendly lawyers that are learning to stand up for our people.
We should already have on speed now the best and
the brightest lawyers to make sure our people's rights are
being you know, honored and respected and right.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
We're nothing right there about the Sinclair. We gotta check
the news and then I'll let you finish your thought.
Also a tweet. I wanted to know if you thought
this all this is what we're seeing on the streets
of Washington, DC is a the version. Get people stop
thinking about Epstein flies. I'll let you respond to those
questions when we get back as well. Family, twenty three
minutes away from the top there now, I guess it's
got a synclist. Kennet join us from Tokyo, Japan this morning.

(34:34):
You'd like to speak to him eight hundred and four
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Speaker 1 (34:46):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
And Grand Rising Family, thanks for waking up with us
on this Thursday morning. Our guest is brother Saint Clair Skinner.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
You know him.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
He's a humanitarian, he's an activist and he's got I
Love Black People campaign. We're going to talk about that,
and also it's going to he has an event coming
up with bitcoin cryptocurrency at Howard University in the fall.
We're going to talk about that as well. Right now,
he's joining us from Tokyo, Japan. Before we go back
to him. Though all this reminds you coming up, Doctor
Tyrone Powers will be here. Some of the stuff we're
talking about with the brother Saint Clair. Uh, Doctor Power

(35:38):
is going to go over as well. And Tomorrow's Friday,
we're going to give you another chance to free your
mind and all that means, it's just to think for
yourself and join us for our open Pond Friday program.
We've been promptly at six am Eastern time right here
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DMV on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen
fifty w L.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
All right.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
The question that we'll I boast you before we left
for the news update other Saint Claire is the fact
that some people are saying all this, this, what we're
seeing on the streets of Washington, d C. Is just
it's just a diversion. Is that way it takes the
mind of what's going on with Epstein files your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
I think it's all connected. I think, you know, even
when we talk about it being a diversion, it's what
what are the what's the agenda this current administration and
what will it do and what costs? And the question
is what is our agenda and what we're willing to
do at what costs? And I think they've been very
intentional about undermining our sovereignty again, centralizing power in the

(36:39):
hands of a few people. And it but it didn't
start with Trump. I think again, I just want to
make sure we're clear that under Biden and even under Obama,
you know, we have to reflect on what actually happened
as it relates to us as black people, and what
did we gain and did we get our reparations? Did
we create the opportunities when we had the control over

(37:03):
these bodies and we disproportionately as black people, have made
sure that these politicians got in office. What did they
do in return for all that loyalty and all those votes?
And now we start I'm not going to say, see
the chickens come home to roosts. Now when we don't
have those people, it's even worse than it was when

(37:24):
it was there. And we have to, I think reevaluate
based on our agenda, not based on you know, the
Democrats or versus a party, no matter what party, both
parties were created by wealthy white men for wealthy white
men's sake. And if you're dealing with a liberal racist
or conservative racist, they're still operating from a white supremacist

(37:45):
ideology like a you know, that's their operation system. And
we again, if you just look at how many of
the Democrats are dealing with the issues that the DC
government is facing. You know, there should be an outcry
by the whole party to actually rally behind DC, and
you haven't seen that. It's almost like sister Miro is

(38:07):
by herself now if there's something going on behind the scenes,
you know, again, they always tell us, you know, just
you know, not right now will come and they never
show up. So we shouldn't wait for someone to save us.
So if it's a distraction, I think the biggest thing
we need to get from this is still the fact
that the system that we're dealing with with Donald Trump,

(38:29):
if anything is it puts it in your face, the
white supremacy ideology in your face. He doesn't sugarcoat it.
And we should be clear and we should be doing
things to organize ourselves, especially in the DMV, to make
sure that our young people are protected from these folks,
these military folks. And let's also be clear, there's military,

(38:52):
there's black folks who are in the military. Is there
an outrage? Are people afraid of their rank and commands
to say that they think this is unconstitutional? Like we
you know, even when I travel, like there was a
time with the Jesse Jackson's you know, Muhammad a Li,
there was there was a time where you know, people
saw black people in America as an extension of the

(39:16):
same people abroad fighting in the belly of the beast.
But once you had Colon Powell, kindovis a Rice Obama
killing omark A Doofi. Now you have people globally looking
at black people as being complicit with the Shenanigans of
the white supremiust ideologies or system. We have to stand

(39:37):
up on principle and say this is wrong. So there
you got family, and my dad is a military vet.
You know, he went to Vietnam in order to escape
poverty in Saint Louis, but he, you know, contributed to
the demise of people that he never knew, you know.
And again that was the sixties. Now we're in twenty
twenty five. Are we, as the black community a and

(40:00):
embedding a genocidal system even with the face of Trump
on it, even though we didn't vote for him. What
are we doing on principle to protect and to support
our agenda, our principles. You know, when I look at
even Kamala Harris, I don't think she was a supporter
of genocide. But I do think, like many other black people,

(40:21):
we let our ambitions make us sacrifice our principles. Are
other people who are silent right now about what's being
done wrong in DC to DC residents and children. Are
they doing that because they want to keep their job.
Their ambitions are more important than their principles. Because I
know most black people, I don't care what pardaan know

(40:43):
that we all should have, you know, the self determination
and rights that afforded all citizens in America. So again,
I think some of this stuff is about how do
we see ourselves? We know who Donald Trump is, know
what the system has done to us for the last
over two hundred years of being in America. The question

(41:04):
is who we are and what are we going to
do about it? And again I'm not asking anybody to
go out there and do things that they feel like
they might jeopardize their families. But I think we all
need to step back and stop just saying Donald Trump's name,
and we've got to say our names and say what
are we going to do as individuals? And if everybody

(41:24):
does a little bit, no one has to do a lot.
So I think again we need to you know, educated
black folks who went through all these HBCUs, who go
to all these places and celebrate our excellence and all
that was that just for a show of materialism of
somehow us trying to imitate Europeans or are we doing

(41:48):
these things in order to empower those that don't have
agency and to protect those who don't have you know,
the strength we need to be doing that. And again,
as a tech startup, I love black people. We literally
use the technology to create a global safety net. But
everybody's not in a tech I'm just saying, whatever your
profession is, we need to be leveraging your profession in

(42:11):
order to protect our people. Even if you don't live
in DC. If you're a lawyer, if you're someone of
good conscious, please you know, reach out to your friends
and family in the area and be supportive. Help people
with their rights, even mental health. Again, the stress of
being in DC right now for those of us who

(42:31):
have to be there, you know, through because of work
and family, there's a lot of mental health issues. If
you're a psychologist or if you're somebody with a medical background, please,
you know, offer your assistance. Like there's things that if
you're a military person and you be a whistle blower,
let people know that we know that this is not right.

(42:53):
So we have to have the integrity to stand up
and blow the whistle on this behavior and not be
complicit or collaborate with this behavior.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Turn away from the top of the aist with Brother
Saint Clairs skin of checking in from Tokyo this morning.
Brother Saint Claire, one of the things I've been stressing
for our especially our young people who are on the
streets of Washington, DC, please do not get provoked by
some of these law enforcement officials, because that's what they want.
Whatever you do. You know, I know sometimes they challenge
your manhood, but sometimes you're gonna have to walk away

(43:23):
because I think that's what they're trying to do to
to provoke some of the our young people to get
involved and then they can just mow them down, although
then go ahead and declare martial law and do whatever
the other sections of the plan that they have in
Project twenty twive twenty twenty five that they laid out
for us. So please don't get tempted into that because
and you know, the thing is that though even though
if our folks show restraint, they'll probably have a false

(43:46):
flag and create a scene.

Speaker 10 (43:48):
One of us.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
I think that if our young people pull the pants up,
if they do everything we tell them. You know, the
thing that there's emotional is that there are children they're
going to mess up. Like we got to be the
adults that we're supposed to be. You know what I'm
saying that for our children to respect us, we got
to like again, the reason why this is such a

(44:11):
painful thing is that there are children like they're not going.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
To do it right.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
It's inherent. I mean, I've been all over the world.
Children mess off. I had an intern this year, nineteen
year old. He's nineteen. He's no different than any nineteen
I don't believe in generational chowdnism. Every nineteen year old
acts like a nineteen year old. But the consequences for
our nineteen year olds are very different from other people.

(44:37):
And we have to be the ones that stand in
the gap for that. They will make missaons if it's when,
and what are we doing to protect them? It's our responsibility.
There are children and no one else's children. And if
we're not willing to do that, what was this all
for anyway? For some bitcoin or some gold or some status.

(44:57):
What is status that you can't even take care of
protect your own children who respect you? What family.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
Is that that?

Speaker 6 (45:05):
So again we have to do everything we can. I'm
not talking about violence. I'm saying all the ways that
we can do to contribute in these crisis And we've
been dealing with this, so let's not make this tricky.
Our people have been fighting a good fight for decades
in spite of again the drug wars. We know we

(45:25):
did not We're not the ones who brought the drugs
into the communities. These are things that were brought on purpose,
you know, biological, chemical warfare, all those things are not
the thing. So we need to make sure that we
stand up for and stop the lies. Like we know
that guns aren't made in our community. We know you

(45:45):
can't again bring guns into the community. Those guns are manufactured.
I'm in deer and the guns aren't any good without bullets. Like,
let's stop having these irrational conversations about we need more
soldiers the supply chain for guns. I don't care. There's
no three D printing our way into this. This is

(46:06):
literally basic guns and bullets. That's old technology. We know
we could stop. We live in a surveillance society. We
know where the guns come from and where they're going.
They can stop those at any time we know the
drugs cocaine is grown, it's a forested land. Cocaine does
not have to be all over America. If the United

(46:28):
States government wanted to stop cocaine, the financing of it
as well as the trafficking of it, they can be done.
But the use of soldiers is always an excuse to
exert exploitations. How all of these things are done in
order for people to be exploited. So when you see
soldiers be it in Palestine and sude Dominican Republic, I

(46:53):
mean Haiti, this is a sign of exploitation, is not
a sign of people were just bad people doing bad things.
This is how we're the villains and the victim in
our own movie. They're victimizing us and using the offices
of law and order to continue to Again, you think
about it an enslavement, you think about a segregation. They

(47:16):
used violence and they justified it by us. They said
we needed to be treated this way. So we know
slavery wasn't the only way you could do business with folks.
We know Jim Crow segregation was the only way people
could live. But they justified all these systems, so they'll
justify coming into DC because this is consistent with this government.

(47:38):
They never and they won't apologize every time they do
something and have done it, they never apologize. They blame us.
So you'll get DC blamed for being exploited. But again,
I just told you, nobody in my neighborhood growing up
had to pass for it. No one knew customs. So
explained to me how cocaine got to my neighborhood. You can't.
It's inexplicable. The guns in DC right now. You literally

(48:01):
got atf you got FBI, and the still Jojo and
Ray Ray Steel can get guns. Come on, this is
not because we need troops. We just really need to
stop allowing people to lie to us and play games. Again,
I'm gen X. I grew up where they blamed us
for the drugs, and I'm just telling you nobody did
in my community deserve to doge some automatic weapons. Use

(48:25):
these mac Kin's. These are not made in our communities.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
So again and hold that though right there, because we've
got to check the traffic and weather or not different
cities when we come back though, because you mentioned you
talked about slavery and one of the things that Donald
Trump is as we've mentioned before, about what he's doing
with the museums. He wants to eliminate anything to do
with slavery and Jim Crow because it doesn't want you know,
white folks who don't how badly they treated us. But

(48:50):
don't you think this gives us an opportunity to build
our own museum. We didn't have to rely on I
know how taxpayers pay for those museums, but the Jewish
people have their own museum, and they have a government
funding museum as well. This gives us an opportunity to
build our own museum, put whatever we want in there,
and we don't have to you know, have dictates from
Donald Trump. I'll let you respond to that when we

(49:11):
get back, after we check the traffic and weather. Not
different cities are three away from the top of half Folks,
you too can speak with Sinclaus. Can I reach out
to us at eight hundred five zero seventy eight seven six.
I will take your phone calls after the trafficking weather.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
That's names.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
You're frocking with the most awesomemiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
You're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
And grand rising family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Thursday morning. I guess his brother, Saint Claire
Skinner's joining us from Tokyo this morning, and I want
to say God to Konichiwa to him as he checks
in from Japan. Uh there with his lovely wife. It's
too after the top they hour, we're discussing what's going
on in Washington, d C. The troops are in DC,

(50:21):
and we also want to talk about is I Love
Black People campaign, because that's what he's promoting as well.
And also I mentioned it's going to have a cryptocurrency
event that's going to take place at Howard University in
the fall. I think it's the next month. We got
all of that information as well. But let me do
this because we've got some folks want to talk to
you already, So let me take the phone calls online too.
Cliffs calling from Connecticut as a question for you, brother

(50:42):
Saint Claire, Cliff grand Rising.

Speaker 11 (50:46):
My question in terms of what you're guests saying in
terms of the US as black people not making the
guns or the ammunition, and so we see it. The
same thing is happening, and it doesn't matter what administration
is in place. So is it fair to say that
both Democrats and Republicans when it comes down to this
administration that that we're responsible for allowing the destruction of

(51:11):
our black community. So my point is that there's no
one party that's better in terms of saving our black community.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Yeah, I mean, I think I would say the United
States government. I mean, I don't care what party. It's
been many parties and some of them come and go,
have been consistent towards this treatment of enslaved formerly enslaved
African people, like it's consistent. So the US foreign policy
in Africa for two hundred years has been consistent. The

(51:46):
policy domestically for black people has been consistent. And no,
I don't think we're going to be saved by this
government or by a party. What I am saying, though,
is that instead of us engaging in rhetoric that's irrational.
There's no way for a plant grown and only tropical

(52:07):
high altitudes can get to my neighborhood without the compelicity
of the US government. We got to stop having these
conversations like uneducated people in our neighborhoods or uneducated so
called Latino people in these other areas are the kingpins
or the drug lords over these problems, these problems. These
things can't this trafficking can't take place without a very

(52:30):
complex financial system and this supply chain system. So again,
when we have this thing, we're talking about crime, we
need to just start at the source of it. We
can't let them use tropes and images of black people.
Most black people don't commit crimes. Most black people have
never held a gun in their hand in their lives.
Most black people aren't participating these things. But literally, the

(52:54):
system that we're living in uses us in our exploitation
in order to advance this agenda. And we and again
I'm not gonna say they're gonna stop, but we at
least got to stop believing it. We got to stop
thinking our children that cause this. We got to stop
believing that black people are somehow violent and realize that

(53:15):
we're the ones who's probably been the most sane people
in spite of the violence we've been subjected to.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Good point. Thanks Cliff, Thanks your call five after the
top downs in DC. Once you join the conversation, he's
on line three Grand Rising Donnie on with Sinclair Skinner.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
Hey, how you doing, Saint Clair? Are doing a humble
the Bird?

Speaker 9 (53:39):
I would like to.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
Say that I believe that the.

Speaker 12 (53:45):
You know, hearing your call, I heard some things that.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
Made a lot of sense, But I do think there
are things that we're not tying into. This is all part.
In my opinion, I think this is all part of
a separate agenda, and we are just casualties of war
as black people on this agenda. When he said that
there are no others involved in.

Speaker 10 (54:12):
Opposing this.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
Fascist regime that's coming along, that's not true. Like I
was listening to c SPAN for the last two days,
and they're actually cities who have started creating an allegiance
to one another and having their police in Boston, Chicago
and other cities to have their police to fight troops

(54:39):
on ground if they come to their cities. So I
think this is more about in reality, the possibly the
strong possibility of civil war amongst white folks coming, and
we're always the casualty of war when they start wars
with themselves in this soil. So I think we have

(55:02):
to seriously think about the structure we need to be
in play with here in this city and other places
to move beyond where we're at right now, and planning
out another way of having control of supply and demand
in our communities as we must move forward because they
are at war with one another, plain and simple, thank you,

(55:29):
all right.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Yeah, it's super super smart. I think that brother was amazing.
I appreciate the corrections and the added detail. I think
I think he's right. I think, you know, we used
to talk about white supremacy ideology must be destroyed, and
I thought it was going to be, you know, somehow
what something black folks did. I really do think that

(55:55):
white supremacy is going to be destroyed by white people.
Like literally, no one's killed more white people than white folks.
Like even the things you're seeing. And this may not
seem connected, but even with Trump trying to stop Ukraine
versus Russia, these are Europeans Slavic even though they have
their own tribalism killing each other. I think at the

(56:17):
end of the day, the undermining of the current system
that we're in is not going to be undermined by
us as the people, but it's going to be Europeans
versus Europeans. So again, what do we do while this
is going on? It's I think what that brother said,
We still got to organize, Karma, tu Ray said, we
got to organized, organized, organized, and I do think with

(56:38):
the attention that's been placed on DC, with this wicked
lying and deception, we need to make sure that we
use every opportunity to organize our people and protect our
people and make us stronger and not look at this
as the last time. This is one of many times,
and we must make sure that we canntinue to resist

(57:01):
as we have in the past. You know, there's been
all kinds of things that the government, from Tuskegee Experiments
to you know, there's so much that's been done to us,
And all I'm just saying is that to that brother's point,
we must use these opportunities to continue to organize and
protect each other. And I think he's right about that. Like,

(57:21):
it's probably more than just the consequences as it relates
directly to the black communities, but there's also things that
happen within the European or white communities that this is
a sign of and that we should be we should listen. Like,
the most bloody war that the United States had was
the Revolutionary I mean, it was the Civil War, more

(57:45):
bloody than World War two Vietnam. It was the Civil War.
So again we need to be mindful and again I'm
not here to promote violence. I'm just saying that if
we see this behavior, we shouldn't, you know, turn our eye.
We should look at history and help us indicate unlike
what you're hearing about this, you know, Trump and history,

(58:06):
we shouldn't be the ones looking at history and not
just try to like, you know, put lifstick on a pig,
but actually understand where we are and see what resources
we can do and things we can do collectively to
protect our communities. I agree with them, brother on that part.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
And let me say this to don the ten half
the top down gives me a chance to promote next week. Actually,
at this time, we're gonna we have a cadre of
a selected scholars are going to come on and give
us what we should be doing while this is going on.
And you know, some of them feel we should take
advantage of the situation whilst they don't have their eyes
on us what we can do, because you know, we're

(58:44):
all about solutions on this program. We know what our
problems are, but we've got to come up with solutions.
So we've got a bunch of our scholars going to
come together next week, next Thursday. Actually, I will tell
you more about it as we get closer to the day,
and I'll let you know who they are, because you've
heard them all. They've all been on here and they've
all agreed to come on well on the same page
as a matter of fact, that because they think that
now is the time for us. What's our move Because

(59:06):
that's my question to them. You know, we got to
figure out a way what's the solution for our people?
And these are brilliant scholars in their own right, and
like I mentioned, you've heard of me here before, and
they're going to deal with with this situation as well.
Because what we've got lacking, I think through for what
Donnie is saying, as you've mentioned too, kind of lack
of leadership has been a vacuum. You know, who's who's

(59:26):
who speaks for us? The Congression, blank Caucus is being silent.
The Democratic Party and many of us reside they've been
silent and been been decimated as a matter of fact,
and so it looks like we're just going to be
a casualty of what's going to happen. So that's what
we pulled together some of our top thinkers to come
up with a plan for us and so we'll let

(59:47):
you in more on that. That's going to be next Thursday, though,
my brother Sinclat. I want to go back to uh
I Love Black People campaign. You said you were wearing
that shirts went on the streets of Tokyo where you
are this morning. What's the reaction when people see that,
not just the black forest, but the other people when
they see I Love Black People. What do they say?
Do they say anything? Do they not?

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Do they cus? You know?

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I think in Japan versus some of the other
places I've been, Japanese people culturally seeing that there's certain
things that they don't outwardly show. I think there's a
level of like controlled emotion, and so people kind of
like we'll see and not see. Now I've been in
the United States and have Europeans do the same thing,

(01:00:32):
but they'll look and look away and be very intentional.
You'll you can notice it here in Japan, I think they.
I think it's one of those places when it's just
one or two of us, the energy is pretty they
just go about their business. I think when we get
into large groups, that's when you'll start seeing jaws drop

(01:00:53):
and people like looking in a certain way. But I
think by and large, the children might stare alone little
bit more with a level of novelty, seemingly meaning that
when they stare, it's not like a frown on their face.
There's just more like an awe in a face. I
think that part. But again, going about organizing, you know,

(01:01:15):
one of the reasons again wearing the shirt, the stuff
that we're doing with the app is to help organize
our people all over the world, literally making sure that
we understand through our affirmation, like I love Black people,
that we are family. And even when I hear people
talk about, you know, are you pan African is versus
not pan African. I'm a Pan Afganist, I'm clear on that.

(01:01:38):
But I never get caught up in people, you know,
telling them what they should call themselves. If you don't
call yourself black, if you call yourself an Akabulan patriot,
if you call yourself African, Zulu Kosa, whatever you call yourself.
We're here to do is bring us together as a family.
And the trauma that we have experienced often times can

(01:02:00):
be triggered by this whole conversation about identity. So I
don't think it's a worthwhile conversation contextually when we're trying
to organize and take action and come up with solutions.
But it's I think the affirmation of love and even
if we disagree, we can do it in kindness. Like
the last call, he disagreed with some of the things

(01:02:21):
he said, but he was so thoughtful in everything he
was responding with and I appreciate that. Like I think
we got to be able to take correction and embrace
it and say thank you, because it's a blessing to
be corrected. So much of what I do is a
tech startup doing things that never been done before. You
wish or pray that you have someone that can help

(01:02:42):
you get things right, and that's something I know. Again
when we're talking about race and talking about our people
and being harmed, you know we should. You know, it
takes nothing to wish someone well, you know, being positive.
So again I think that's the energy, the affirmations and
treatment and engagement that I think goes a long way

(01:03:04):
as human beings and as a pan Afkan family. So
these are the things that I think are important, especially
in this day and age, like we're not going to
fight fire with fire, like violence and hatred is unsustainable.
First of all, it's on the wrong side of God,
nature and history. So we have to fight with love.
We have to disrupt their hatred. And again their violence

(01:03:27):
is unsustainable. So they're going to literally die from the
weight of that. But the question to your point, you know,
what are we going to build to replace it with?
And I think more and more I see, I don't
know if this goes to twenty thirty. I hear people
talk about twenty thirty the way the behavior of the folks,
you know, and I'm you know, we're talking about going

(01:03:48):
to Nakasaki for tomic BOMBI you know, I don't think
people realize how close these so called superpowers have been
to nuclear annihilation. I mean, I remember hearing Pruden said
a world without Russia is not worth living in. That
wasn't a threat. He's clear what's not going to happen
and what is going to happen. So and you know,

(01:04:10):
to that end, the United States is the only country
that's ever used nuclear devices, and they made two bombs
and they dropped two bombs. So I'm just you know,
when we're talking about what the world is and how
it is now, it's probably the future is going to
be very different and I think we need to be

(01:04:32):
prepared for it. And even with the bitcoin stuff, so
much of what God is involved in bitcoin, it was
coming up with solutions that allowed us to send value
or money across the globe without going through bank systems.
And the legacy of the bank systems is slavery and colonialism.
So we said, we don't want to use those systems

(01:04:53):
to move value. We need to be able to do
it in our own without them, with using our own sovereignty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
So again, you know, and hold up through right there,
Brother Sinclair, We're gonna step aside for a fuelus when
we come back that I want you to dig deeper
into cryptocurrency. And why do you think is we've had
some people on here is think it's something that we
should really take a serious look at, you know, because
the government is getting behind it. But some people say
it's a Ponzi scheme. So I want you to you know,
explain that to us and also talk about the conferences
coming up at Howard University. I think it's next month. Family,

(01:05:21):
you two can join our conversation with brother set Claire Skinner,
who's checking in from Tokyo, Japan this morning, reach out
to us at eight hundred and four or five zero,
seventy eight, seventy six and at seventeen at the top
there that will take the calls next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for staying with us on this Thursday morning with
I guess the brother Saint Claire Skinner discussing that I

(01:05:43):
Love Black People's campaign. We're going to get into that,
but we've moved over to crypto currency. It's going to
have a conference at Howard University, Sinclair. Is that is
that in September?

Speaker 13 (01:05:52):
Of that conference, Yes, who's gonna be at Howard University
the twenty six and twenty seven of September, And we definitely,
you know, want to get everybody out.

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
We got early ticket sales, so make sure you get there.
You know, get these advanced tickets are cheaper, students are free.
And then we have a assay contest for high school students.
Peaceful solutions for violent world problems is our theme, so
we're asking our young people to speak on that topic.

(01:06:27):
And we also have a pitch competition for college students.
I think are a prize of five thousand dollars for
the team for the best pitch. So again, you know,
all of the work that we're doing, use it. Using
the tools in bitcoin and blockchain is bigger than the
tool itself. It's still about how we as black communities

(01:06:48):
can solve old problems with new solutions. And so, you know,
we really have We have a great doctor Jarrett Ball
talking about socialism. We have a thing called tech econ
Economics one on one for techies, so that people you
know and technology understand the economy. Offerentimes, I'm an engineering

(01:07:08):
graduate from Howard University and I went to Tuskegee and
we didn't really learn how you know, what hard money is,
how money the Federal Reserve. We didn't understand how money
was created. We were just taught to make widgets. So
so much of what we do with this conference is
to empower as many people in our community to understand
bigcoin and these cryptos and what the utility and and

(01:07:32):
what not to do. We're working with the DC government.
The Karma Woods is Commissioner Woods is amazing, and she
runs all the regulatory for the banks, and they're going
to be talking about scams. So we're gonna have workshops
making sure you don't get caught in these posi scams.
These all I got hacked from around fifty big coins,

(01:07:54):
so they had a sin swap scam on me. So again,
there's so many things that you need to learn understand
so that you can be empowered. Even if somelks don't
want to ever get involved with this, they should know
ignorance is not blissed. This is not We're not going
to put our head in the sand and get out
of this. We're gonna be aware of it and be
able to speak intelligently on it and understand how it

(01:08:17):
can apply to our community. And if we choose to
or choose not to, it'll be based on being informed,
not uninformed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
And thank you for doing that for our folks looking
out for us, because usually we're on the late train
by the time you know, these things are gone through.
We're the scapegoard, and they use us because somebody's got
to win, somebody's got to lose.

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
Us.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Doctor Claude Anderson has been teaching us for forever and
they always want to win, and they're as putting us
in the losing position. So let's let's be proactive family
and get involved, especially our young folks. You know, some
young people simply how do they get how they get
in touch with the group. Is there an email address
or something or a website?

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
Yeah, yeah, he's going to Black Blockchain Summit dot com.
Black Blockchain Summit dot com and of course the email
is infrared. Black Blockchain Summit dot com. You can sign
up for the If you have a child in high school,
they can sign up for the essay contest. It's like

(01:09:20):
five hundred dollars goes to the student, five hundred dollars
goes to the school for the winner, and then we
have a pitch competition for college students with their teams.
I think it's like five thousand dollars, three thousand dollars
and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I forget how
the breakdown is, but or it might be three thousand
poken downs to one hundred. But there's total of five

(01:09:41):
thousand dollars prizes. So we definitely want to compensate folks
who participating, and with all these cuts in government aid
and things, if we're going to have something that young
people involved, will want to make sure we also give
them some resources. Again, how do we do that. We're
talking about some more modern, sophisticated ways through blockchain cryptocurrency

(01:10:05):
or how.

Speaker 14 (01:10:05):
To do that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
We don't think any technology is going to save us.
We've got to save ourselves. But we definitely need to
know how to use these technologies to make the most
of these technologies and even protect ourselves. So definitely want
you to come out twenty six to twenty seventh September.
It's the same week as the Congressional Black Hall this weekend,
so it's definitely going to be a great opportunity to

(01:10:27):
be on Howard's campus on that Friday and on that
Saturday and learn, learn, learn, So come on out, and
we probably need to do it like a little discount
code for all those who listen to Carl Nelson Show.
So if you listen to the Carl Nelson Show, please
email us at info at black blockchainsummit dot com and

(01:10:51):
say Paul Nelson Sinclair sent me here, Carl Nelson sent me, Like,
put something with Carl Nelson in it, and we'll make
sure we give you a discount that's full off. All right,
thank you for Andfloid Black for the Nelson. What you
do with the knowledge you have is more powerful than technology.

(01:11:11):
What you do, the way you've curated this, the way
you make it approachable. God bless you. God keep you
what you man, and you do it relentlessly. You don't
just do it as a cameo. You do it every
man mourning out the morning out the more good Jesus man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Well, thank thanks for the kind word.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
Man, you love I think you love black people more than.

Speaker 15 (01:11:36):
You've been called.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Well, well that's you got it. You nailed it. That's
why I do it because I love black people. It's
not about me so much, it's not, you know, let
me just share this. I get accused all the time.
You don't say your name enough. You know, you think
everybody knows you. You know, you know we will only
want to hear more about you. It ain't about me.

Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
The program's got my name on it, but it doesn't
define who I am. Who I am is trying to
help my folks. That's how we started. But anyway, let's
tart speaking about helping out folks. I love Black People campaign.
Tell us how that started, how it works, how all
of us can get involved.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
Well right on that, thank you, and I humbling for
the car. I'm trying to be humbled like your example.
Well again, I think that's important. Is technology and connecting us.
We were inspired by Victor Green, who created the original
Green Book, which was focused on unlike what many people think.
They thought it was a black business directory, but it

(01:12:38):
really was a guide to protect us from the harms
and humiliations of legal racism, Jim Crow, segregation, American apartheid,
and the three areas were transportation, places to eat, places
to sleep, and it was They didn't use the term then,
but it was crowdsource by us, by the people, and

(01:13:00):
identified black as well as non black places that we
could go and be treated with dignitary respect. And we
took that same model where we define the expression black friendly,
Pan African friendly places physical places where we could go
and know that we're going to be treated with dignity respect,

(01:13:23):
crowdsource by our members and put in a digital format
where it can be used anywhere in the world and
to give our people access. Now, we do have a
book that we come out every year called a Global
Green Book, but that's static. We need something dynamic like
times like this where in our focus has been eight categories,

(01:13:44):
not just three, so we included legal, healthcare, childcareselists, education, finance,
and beauty. So we made sure we have eight categories,
and when we're dealing with our rights being jeopardized in DC,
this is a perfect time for those of you who
are out there to recommend black friendly lawyers, Pan African

(01:14:07):
friendly lawyers so that if and when our brothers andeses
have problems in DC, they can go to a lawyer
that has been referred to them by I Love Black people.
So I think it's very important that this is the
information is power part, like how do we get the
information to our people? Download the free app or the

(01:14:29):
Apple Store or Google Play I Love Black People, safe
places just putting I Love Black People, and to pull
up the app, download it. And the key part of
this is that we need recommendations. Recommend again your favorite
doctor that's treats you with dignity and respect. Recommend the
favorite lawyer, childcare provider. These are key critical places where

(01:14:53):
I mean spaces where you don't want somebody who's racist,
who could kill you, I mean, or harm you because
of their doctor, or a lawyer who thinks you're guilty.
And instead of innocent, proven guilty, we need to make
sure that we're the ones creating this. And the DMV
probably has the highest concentration of educated as well as

(01:15:13):
affluent Black people anywhere on the planet, and if any
place should be we should feel protected as opposed to
being scared or afraid or in fear should be the DMV.
So that means we have work to do, and we're
saying that work can be organized leveraging an app which
you can share your favorite and recommend these black safe spaces.

(01:15:37):
And again we're not just doing it here. We have
our offices in Hirarii, Zimbabwe and we say we're Pan Africanists.
We're saying that our black people, no matter where they
are on the planet, should live fearlessly without fear, and
we can create that with our safety net. And we
also have a translation feature that no matter what language
you're speaking, will translate it into app. So you're speaking

(01:16:00):
Twahili and your phone is in Swahili, the apple be
in Swahili, and even if someone speaking to you in English,
they're automatically translated into Swahili and vice versa. That's using technology.
So again you know there's power that we have, but
we have to unleash it for our own interests and

(01:16:21):
not let other people exploit us with it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Twenty nine away from the topic, again, let me just
thank you for using the technology to help out people.
You know, so many of our people in the fields
that you are as an engineer, but they're working for
the other folks and so many of we have so
many talented people, as you know, brother seem clear because
you've been all over the world and you've seen brothers
and sisters who look like us are are talented, and
you've recruited many of them to work for I love

(01:16:45):
black people, but with so many others in every area
we have expertise, but instead of giving back to the community,
they're helping the oppressor, and the oppressor is oppressing them,
which they don't They don't get it yet, they don't
understand it yet. You've got to help us, you know,
because if you keep helping the oppression, the press is
going to do. It is to turn around on press.

(01:17:06):
You may not oppress you personally, but it's going to
impress your people, your family and the rest of us.
So you've got a talent or skill you need to
call Sinclair Skinner.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
Yeah, we got to our self esteem. What I've met
was some of the smartest, most brilliant people. Is the
low self esteem. Our dreams are too small. So a
lot of times, you know, these Europeans, these folks don't
even have to compete against us because our self esteem
is alone. We don't even believe we can win again.
White Supreme's ideology is unsustainable. It's ungodly. It's on the

(01:17:37):
wrong side of everything. They're doomed, like we're the ones
that are gonna win if we believe. So again, that
belief's got to come from inside, though, it's got another
time about having a big ego. Ego is a sign
of low self esteem. If you think, you know, you
got to have an ego to do things. I mean,
most of those people I meet, when they have a
big ego, if something happens bad, they blame everybody but

(01:17:58):
themselves self esteem. Let you know, I can fall down
and get up. I have that kind of self esteem,
and I can dream big. I will follow my calling,
regardless the sacrifice. So I think I've met at quite.
I met Black fols with three or four PhDs and
they still unsure. And I met Europeans dumb as a

(01:18:19):
bag of rocks, who think they're going to create something
like bigcoin or something that's better than gold. We it's
our self esteem the attack. So I think it's definitely
important and I've learned that on this as a tech
startup because I worked for those corporations and McDonald Douglas
to honey Wells. My last W two job was working

(01:18:39):
for the US Patent and Trademark Office as a patent examiner.
So I do get what it is to be in
corporate America and how they make you become a cog
in that will. But whatever God you've prayed to, you
got to know they didn't put you here to suffer
the insults and the humiliation of other people, Like that's
the struggles eternal, but not suffering like that's unacceptable. So

(01:19:02):
again I've been encouraged by our co founder, Christopher maf
and dere all our team. You know when our team
work and it continues to work on I Love Black
People and our official launch is October fourth. You know,
many of these young brothers and sisters have you know,
you know, taken a crazy idea and given their lives
to it, Like when people work for you, they're giving

(01:19:23):
their lives like those days they'll never get back, and
I value and I honor their contributions and through this
as far like a tech startup is very difficult because
we don't have the same funding that these European startups get,
so it takes us a rather longer time. When you
get more money, you can move faster. Well, we haven't

(01:19:44):
been able to move as fast, but we've been very
intentional and deliberate. Our solution is leveraging the brains of
our people to create a solution to protect that same
group of people. And that's something important to us and
we're not going to give up, give in to anything else.
That's something that's going to actually make our people proud

(01:20:05):
like that, and again identifying people to work and who've contributed.
We you know, it's been an amazing journey and definitely
grateful for it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
All right, twenty five away from the top, Al come
on to break with So let me ask you this though,
brother Saint clare uh AYI. Artificial intelligence? Is there any
way that we can use that to our advantage? Can
we you with your expertise as an engineer, is there
any way we can use it? Can you use it
in I Love Black People campaign? Can we use it
on crypto?

Speaker 7 (01:20:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:20:35):
Absolutely, yes, yes, I think one of the things that's
a misnomer these technology, is not it when it's like
are you gonna can you or are you going to
use email? Now? Email is? You know before that we
had snail mail. We had that, you know, put the
lick the envelope and lick the stamp, you know, and
or long distance phone calls. I remember, we're on the

(01:20:56):
phone now, but in the old days, look Colin Baltimore
from DC was a long distance called organizing in the
old days was hard because you didn't have access. You
had to get a phone card and all these things.
Artificial intelligence is another tool now. The thing with these tools.
And I told you I'm an engineer. I'm a mechanical
engineer by training. So I did engineering in the late

(01:21:17):
eighties and early nineties when a lot of these robotics
were coming online, and a lot of that robotics worked
replaced people on assembly lines. These are facts. People were replaced.
But I will say this though, when I first started engineering,
there was many assembly lines and manufacturing that I worked

(01:21:38):
in where you would see brothers and sisters missing digits,
by missing parts of their fingers. Because much of that
work was very repetitive and dangerous. They said, we don't
talk about it as much. But back in the day
they talked about Carpo centric Was it carpo tunnel syndrome?
Where people how that thought?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Right there, we're check the news again. I'll let you
pick it up from corporal syndrome. Whatever it is, We'll
let you pick it up from day when we get back.
Twenty three minutes away from the top. They our family
Cincla Skinners, joined us from Tokyo, Japan. This morning. We
were talking about I Love Black People campaign, also talking
about what's the troops on the streets of Washington, DC,
and also the cryptocurrency conference take place at Howard University

(01:22:18):
next month. You got a question for Brother Sinclair, reach
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls
after the news. That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for starting your Thursday with
us on this twenty first day of August. I guess there,
Brother Saint Clair Skinner, he's humanitarian as an activist, it's
also the creative of I Love Black People campaign. That's
what we're discussing this morning. But before we go back
to let me just remind you comfortable. Later this morning
where were joined by FBI former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers,

(01:23:14):
and tomorrow's Friday, of course, and we're going to give
you another chance to free your mind and all that is.
This is the thing for yourself. We try to provide
you with enough facts about issues and personalities and so
you can make up your own mind. You can make
it you just as long as you get all the
facts you can make You don't need people tell you
what issues you should behind, or what person you should
dislike or like, or what party political party you should like.

(01:23:36):
Just as long as you know the facts, you can
make up your own mind. And we're all smart enough
to do that anyway, Begin promptly at six am Eastern
time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and
also on the DMV on I FAM ninety five point
nine and AM fourteen fifty wol So brother Saint Clair.
We left off you were talking about Corples tunnel syndrome
that back in the day that was a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Yeah, I was liking to the fact that you know
about AI. But you know, I've been a part of
some things that changed with technology, and again that was
these assembly lines and manufacturing and how again people were
being literally replaced with robots. And what sometimes was missed
is that there was really a lot of that work

(01:24:19):
wasn't really meant for human beings. It was very problematic
work and people who were being harmed, and because they
were disposable, they call them human resources people who were
just trying to figure out the cheapest way to get
out of using these human beings. And I think the
robots were actually a better fit. I think when they

(01:24:40):
started offshoring jobs, that was a problem because again, now
you're paying people less wages to do the same work,
and now you're manipulating the working class. But as it
relates to AI, I think the same things are in play.
There are certain jobs that probably should be done by

(01:25:00):
some automated system, and there's some work that should be
done that actually elevation and beings and gives us the
best opportunity to have a good life. Now who decides that,
I think again we should be involved in the technology
and the policy making that make sure that those are
the things that come from this. But artificial intelligence as

(01:25:21):
an added tool as a startup founder, as someone who's
working is an incredible tool it doesn't I think sometimes
at least now with the large language models, which were
developed by white men, so there are already problems there.
But I will say this not as artificial intelligence, but

(01:25:42):
as a research tool. Because it has such access to
a large data bases, it allows a level of research
speed that would be Again, we just have to admit
that's helpful. Like the days of the card catalog, those
of us who know what are doing decimal system is
like no one, no young person probably knows what that

(01:26:04):
doing decimal system is. It sounds crazy when you say
it out loud. So we don't have to, you know,
go to the references, you know, catalog and all that.
Those things save us time. So I do think there's
some positives, but I think there's negatives too, and we
should be aware of that. But I definitely use or
you know, I've done some hiring recently and the questions

(01:26:27):
that we use in the job application, we saw that
it was people taking the questions and sticking them in
AI and their answers were damn near the same. So like,
I wouldn't hire you just because you got bad judgment,
Like there's no way you should think that you're going
to stick an answer and chagy BT and think that

(01:26:48):
that's going to be a good way to describe who
you are and if you should work for us. So
again I think it's these tools are are only as
good as the people who use them. They call them prompts,
the people the questions that you put in or prompts.
You definitely got to use a lot of prompts. But
I do think there's a place for artificial intelligence. Will

(01:27:10):
it replace natural spiritual intelligence? I don't think that's possible.
But will it replace some repetitive, time consuming, hidious work.
I think it does, And now it does replace some
creative work. I think some of the stuff that we've
done around fresh releases, even coming up with questionnaires for

(01:27:31):
job interviews. You know, there's a lot of this that
now you can leverage these AI chatbots to have, you know,
give you options and help you develop things that you
would have had to hire somebody with expert piase. But
I will say again, these tools are only as good
as the hands of the folks that are using them,

(01:27:53):
in the experience of the people that use them. So
that would be my.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Church contribution away from the top man with Brother sincliskin
it check it in from Tokyo, Japan this morning. Brother Sinclair,
you've got officers all over the planet. Have you noticed
that is there a major differences between the brother's state
side and say your officer who work out Harari? Is
there a major difference? So is it just cultural?

Speaker 6 (01:28:19):
I mean culture? But one of the things I do
notice in many especially on the continent and people who've
been heavily influenced by the United States, there's a level
of aggression that's different. I've dealt with a lot of
passive aggressive people are textually a business on the continent,

(01:28:41):
where again I think we got to be careful about
romanticizing certain things and also being very clear and sober
when we're dealing with issues of employees or partners or
business opportunities. Apitalism is the problem, and anytime you're dealing
with people operating in a capitalist system, there's already a

(01:29:05):
corruption there that that the reason we're here is for money.
And you know, with things like I love black people,
we're pre revenue. We're not making money, so I take
money from my other businesses to invest with my co
founders and others in this project. But again, sometimes you

(01:29:25):
deal with people who don't have that same understanding, and
they're driven by capitalism in a way that's you know,
corrupting in itself. So I think the thing I've noticed,
you know, be it in the United States or in
the continent of Africa, is capitalism is not going to
It's actually one of the problems. I don't think it's
going to solve. We're not going to billion our billionaire

(01:29:49):
our way out of this. We've got to figure out
how to use you know, Julis niari Ujama. We got
to come up with a better way for us to
exchange our talents an ability for value. And I'm not
talking about bartering, but I do think there's a way
that we can engage that allows us to be our

(01:30:10):
full selves and be able to have a high quality
of life that doesn't relegate people to transactional engagement. I'm
talking spooky, let me say practically thinking you know, we
need to eat. You know what I'm saying, you've got
to have a roof over your head. I'm just saying
that the things I've noticed the difference in Africa versus

(01:30:32):
the States is that there's still a common threat of
capitalism that can make people make bad decisions on principle
that might be good decisions, and capitalism. I think that's
the biggest thing I've it's been revealed to me, at
least recently or over the years.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Let me feel so an eight before the top of
the and I love black people, and we're in we're
in the era of Trump now everything that he thinks
that it gives us a leg up. Have you been
have you any pushback from from the campaign? I love
black people. You know, some people say, why he's got
to be I love black people. Why you got to
have a black newspaper, why you got black radio, why'd

(01:31:17):
you have to have a black caucus?

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
And that'ked the sentiment that Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
I think it's the opposate when you get the liberal
races in there, like Biden, I think you get people say, oh,
we're post racial. Donald Trump makes it clear that racism
is in, misogyny and sexism is alive, and well, I
think unfortunately, our dear sisters like Kamala Harris and others

(01:31:43):
kind of try to put a face on something that
literally still was as wicked as it was, like even
in genocides. Like again, I think they used the images
of black folks and leaders to push these agendas that
we really are, like aren't our agendas? So that sometimes
obfuscat or make it seem like whole things may have changed,

(01:32:06):
But I think when Donald Trump is there, it's clear,
you know, it's again that's the part of it. Like
I think the US government has been consistent now that
it's tactics and the way it reveals itself might have changed,
may change with Obama versus, but the US foreign policy
in Africa has been racist since they kidnapped US. Like

(01:32:30):
people staying to reinvent these presidents ain't. None of these
presidents operated US anything but white superum's ideology, including Obama,
he operated where he had Europeans at the top and
black folks at the bottom. I don't want to say that,
but it's the truth. You look at the outcomes, you
look at the policies in the United States, literally not

(01:32:51):
allowing black folks on the continent to be able to
get visas to come to the United States. But they
call Europeans refugees now that invaded and killed people and
neverheld accountable for their crimes against humanity, they now can
come to the United States. Well, that's again these visa
policies didn't start with Trump. The visa policies in the

(01:33:11):
United States government has been racist from day one. The
quota systems, all these they've changed them, but still it's
punative towards people of African descent, and it's unsucceptible.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
So let me ever ask you this though, brother Saint Clear,
let me ask you this ans important. What you just
mentioned is that being reflected when when you talk to people,
especially in South Africa, they have these South African Africanas.
They can come in the green let them to come in,
and you know they're on they're on the glide to
train to get visas and probably become citizens. And these

(01:33:49):
are claimed that you know, they were claimed that they
were being harmed by black South Africans. Yes, and then
on the other hand, black Africans have a hard time
getting a visa to come to the United States. Is
this being talked about it from your travels?

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Yeah, you know, the reason with the refugees is almost
like a tongue in cheek for a lot of the
whites in Europe, because they already can come to America
as any time they want to. The people who have
a hard time coming to the United States from South
Africa are the indigenous South Africans. So a lot of
people don't know this, but they're already are. I wish

(01:34:26):
I had the exact numbers, but you could see at
the end of the fall seasons there's a lot of
South African africaners who come to the United States as
middle managers for farms in the United States. And if
you ever I travel using Delta, if you travel Delta

(01:34:49):
in late November, after Thanksgiving in early December, you'll see
a large group of africaner males who leave to go
on holidays back to South Africa. But they work in
Arkansas and Kansas, and they literally are the immigrants that
come in and work for these large farm or performs.

(01:35:14):
So again there's a lot I don't like you said,
I wish I had more better numbers, but there's quite
a few of these instances where again the racist visa
policy holds people like even my conference with the Black
Body something, I have staff in Zimbabwe who can't come
because the US government recently just put a freeze on

(01:35:37):
visas from Zimbabwe. And I said, what does zimbabwea put
a freeze on letting Americans come to Zimbabwe or charge
you know, exorbitant fees if you're a US citizen to
come into Zimbabwe. These these policies are just racists.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Yeah, I thought right, then we've got we gotta check
the traffic and weather a real quick, bro sink. I'll
let you finish your thought when you come back, and
so tell us that do they see that as Donald
Trumpe or does you see this as all Americans? Do
they see that you're part of the you know, say,
how all Americans think this this racist move against our
black African brothers and sisters. I want you to explain
that first when we get back three away from the

(01:36:14):
top of the family, got to check the trafficking weather
in our different cities. And then we'll speak to your brother,
Saint Chris. You know you want to join the conversation,
reach out to us. Eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six gets you in. We're taking calls at
for trafficking waiter. That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
You're fucking with the most submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
You're fucking with the most submissive yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Rocking and grand rising family facts are rolling with us

(01:37:04):
on this Thursday morning and I guess this. Brother Saint
Clair Skinner is checking in from Tokyo, Japan this morning,
and I mo'ment Telly, we're going to speak with doctor
Tyrone Powers. But Brother Sinclair, my question to you before
we left for the traffic and weather update was the
fact that you're when you're there in Africa, just especially
specifically with the African countries that you deal with, you
do business with, and Harari you've got an office there.

(01:37:26):
The policies that Donald Trump is the rolling out right now,
do they differentiate you or do they see you as
part of like a condo Lisa Rise and an extension
of a Colon Powell or even a Barack Obama. Necessarily,
policies don't not in favor of Africans. How do they
see you? Do they see you as different or they
see us as different as well from those elected officials.

Speaker 6 (01:37:50):
Yeah, I think it's gotten worse over time, But I
think the people I do business with closely, they know
my orientation is a Pan African has already but by
and large their critiques of the United States are consistent

(01:38:12):
as it being a racist country. What Trump has done
is he's actually weaponized more than ever and it's done
under Biden. But even now, stuff like social media. People
can be denied VISUS based on their social media history.
So there's things that are the fact that we live

(01:38:34):
in a surveillance society. There's now things like freedom of
speech that you know, if you say something critical of
the government of the United States to be used to
mention from doing business or having access to the US markets.
Now again, I think the US and Europe are on decline,

(01:38:57):
you know again. I got to trip it to China
in October where we're looking at solar solutions. I think
trying to make amends with relationships with the so called
West is I think it's I don't know what twenty
thirty is in my mind, Like whatever you're doing and
thinking about the West twenty three, I think the world's

(01:39:21):
going to be such a drastically different place that you
should be looking at alternatives. I think, even as American citizens,
I just think you should have a plan B that's
not based on whatever you thought the last fifty years
of America was. I think it's going to be starkly different.
Like even when you hear about the China is no

(01:39:43):
longer by you know, buying these bonds, US bonds, trading bonds,
and the loss of confidence and even in real estate,
you know, even we're talking about the DC area again,
real estate prices and commercial real estate with all the
layoffs and the government, there's there's really a lot being
done to obfuscate or hide the weakness of the US

(01:40:06):
government and the use of violence and distractions. I don't
think it's so much Epstein, because that in itself could
be the distraction. It's literally the failing empire called America,
and there's things being done to distract people from the
fact that this is unsustainable and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Real quick though, do you think do you think you
think the people of the White House know that they
because some people what you're saying is being talked about
quite a bit. Anham has told us that this the
empire is declining, and but do you think they know
that or they doing this? Whatever these changes they've made
domestically in and nationally a part of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:40:49):
I think Trump is making his family great again. I
don't think Trump cares about America as a whole anyway.
I think he's he knows his time is limited. I
think what he's done with his moves in the Middle East,
and even with Crypto is to try to set his
own personal family up at the expense of the masses. Again,

(01:41:11):
when I said that, no one's probably killed more Europeans
than Europeans, the most bloody war in American history was
the Civil War, I'm saying that I don't think when
we say black people, we do have a sense of collectiveness.
When Trump is thinking about the future, I don't think
he sees all Americans together. I'm not talking about race.

(01:41:33):
I'm talking about even with the white America so called
so I think these folks are trading the future of
America as an enterprise for a personal gain. And all
I'm saying is almost like the Titanic. If you're going
to wait, because it's not if his when, and if
you don't get that, I think twenty thirty you need

(01:41:56):
to be ready by twenty twenty eight. I think that's far.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
And am I stopping there? Because we got doctor powers
on deck, Brother Saint Clair, Money Mike has a quick
question for yours online too. So Money Mike in Baltimore,
can you make the question quick for Brother Sinclair?

Speaker 12 (01:42:11):
Sure, Brother Sinclair, you and man, you've been on it.
I've been telling the people about China. But look, the
dollar is gone, the US is on decline. But can
you expand on how China is really controlling Africa's politics
and what goes on in Africa. They've invested heavily in China,
and that's the way it's gonna be. If we're not

(01:42:32):
prepared for twenty thirty, it's gonna be devastating in this country.
The dollar is dead. I've been warning y'all about money.
I know about money. The dollar is dead.

Speaker 16 (01:42:43):
They know it.

Speaker 12 (01:42:43):
Call they know it in Washington, DC, they know it
around the world.

Speaker 7 (01:42:47):
They know the dollar is dead.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Well, that's what we're trying to tell our folks. Mike,
thank you for your call. And then I have brothers.
Sinclair respond, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
Think the brother is right. I think the question is
what do we do? I think and Africa has no friends,
you know, so I think what we need to do
is have relationships that are mutually beneficial. I think again
capitalism is the problem in Africa and the world. That
China doesn't have a history of colonizing Africa. Most revolutionaries
and most freedom fights were supported by China, Soviet Union,

(01:43:20):
East Germany, North Korea. But I think the terms of engagement.
Capitalism doesn't work, and we need to come up with
better ways. Jewish NERI talked about Ujama and types of
interaction that requires us to use something different than money
as a solution. I think we should keep exploring that.
But I definitely think looking east is a good strategy

(01:43:40):
and not being limited to what we know already. Push
your envelope. You talk about being a student. I think
we've got to keep learning new things, don't stop being
a lifelong learner. But I do think whatever we're seeing
in the United States with the dollar in US empire
is past peak. It's some of the past peak. Well,

(01:44:01):
US is past peak. The question is what do we do?
And I think if we organize collectively globally, we're going
to have a world a thousand times better than the
world we were born into. But if we try to,
like you know, keep popping up this system, which again
was never meant to be helpful for everyone, I think

(01:44:22):
will be the ones who are the most disappointed. So
I say be encouraged knowing God is real and that
we're seeing change. Let's be a part of that change,
and don't be distracted by Epstein or any of these
other things all.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Right, sin claifore we let you go. How can folks
find out more about the conference at Howard next month?
Your email website.

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Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Brother Saint Clair Arigato, please tell your wife, your lovely
wife Arigatto, for allowing us to intrude on on for
you with your anniversary. You're in Tokyo, Japan. We took
up some of your time because it's the evening time now,
so go out and have dinner on us. Send us
to check letter. But thank you brother Sincleam. Please tell
you boy, thank you, thank.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
You, thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Carl.
All right, we'll do.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
All right, man twelve. After the top of our family,
let's turn our attention now to our next guest, who
happens to be a former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers,
Doctor Powers. Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 9 (01:46:18):
Grand Rosey, and thank you for having me. Bank call
is always a pleasure to be and along with you
are considered an honor for you to even invite me.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Oh, we consider an honor because you've got so much
information you can share with us. You know, we're talking
about a lot what's going on in Washington, d C.
See the troops and even members of your group or
your former group, the FBI agents on the streets of Washington,
d C. First year. Your reaction to that, Doctor Powers.

Speaker 9 (01:46:44):
Yeah, it's kind of a you know, I guess in
a sense based on what this president is trying to do.
He's trying to mimic the behavior man history demonstrates it's
clearly of Vladimir Twudon. He's an admyra of Vladimir Tuton.
He loves the absolute power and control that Vladimir Putin
have to you know, instigate any war. He wants to

(01:47:07):
put any kind of military presence in place. And you've
got to remember that Trump is not only an admirer,
but he's a friend of Vladimir Pudin, and he actually
admires his ability to have absolute power in Russia, and
he's mimicking that behavior and he needs to demonstrate that
on some level. And in Washington, d C. It's relatively

(01:47:29):
easy because you know, you have tax saction without representation,
so he's able to try to demonstrate this is what
he has the power to do to bring a military force.
I know it's the National Guard, which is an extension
of the civilian force, but a military force despite the
pose coomautoonif act within the case that you cannot have

(01:47:51):
military patrol civilian populations because they're not trained to do
that without some special crisis or emergency situation. So that's
what he's doing and all of his behavior, all of
his actions. I always said this, and we've talked about
this before. If we are to look back over history,
you know, the student of Elijah Muhammad said that, you know,

(01:48:13):
Malcolm X said that history best qualifies to reward our research.
We've had the Palmer Raids, which are identically to what's
going on in immigration, so it's not necessarily a new thing.
We had the Dallas brothers, Alan and Foster Dellas, who
both indicated that the best way for America to exert
his power is to do it through business and corporations,

(01:48:36):
which we see with the tariffs. So all this have
happened before it happened, and history dictates how it ends already,
and it also dictates to us our response. And I
think that's what Malcolm met, Malcolm X met when he
said history is best qualified to reward our research. And biblically, obviously,

(01:48:57):
nothing is new under the sun. So while this feel
very new to us, it's been tried and implemented before.
And this president, while not a historian obviously doesn't even
seem to be a reader, have people around him saying
this is what happened before, This is how we can adjust, improvise,

(01:49:20):
and overcome to implement this kind of a system that
will allow you almost absolute power consistement. What you're seeing
in a Vladimir Puden, who was once head of the KGB,
their intelligence service, and always believed in a benelevent A dictatorship.
Even though he considers it a benelevent dictatorship, it's not

(01:49:41):
a democracy. And actually the history of Trump clearly indicates
that that's what he's shooting at. The good thing about
having that knowledge and doing that research, because communication and
discussions are extremely important. This program, your program is extremely important.

(01:50:01):
But the good thing about that is then we can
lead people to solutions because a lot of people called
this because of our discussion and presentations, because of what's happening,
experiencing a lot of anxiety and as a result of that,
a lot of health issues. So you know, I tell
my students that the college never bring me a problem
unless you have some kind of solution with it. That way,

(01:50:22):
it says that this can get better. There is some
solutions that we can put in place. In history dictates
that is in fact true.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
All right, hold up, though, right there, we've got to
step aside for a few moments and we come back. Though,
does this the fact you mentioned that everybody knows Putin
and Trump their pals, of course, and then there negotiating
with Ukraine. Does this compromise the negotiations? Should should we
Crean be concerned about whether it should cut a deal
with Trump? And then he wants to be Then they

(01:50:53):
had a meeting without him and they're talking about his
country and they want him to give up land.

Speaker 5 (01:50:57):
Does that?

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
How does the rest of the world from where you sit,
how do they see that? Because you know the second
meeting that you saw, he got ambush in this first
meeting at the White House, so he went and got
some European leaders to come with him to back him
up at the meeting with Trump. But do you think
the rest of the world sees that Donald Trump is
as an honest broker because his friendship with Putin? And
where does leave Ukraine? I'll let you sort that out

(01:51:19):
for us after we come back. Family, you two can
join our conversation with doctor Tyrone Palace. Reach out to
us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
And Grand Rising family staying with us on this Thursday morning.
I guess this former FBI agent doctor Tyrol and Powers
of the proverbial spook who sat at the door. She's
joined us this morning. We're going to talking about a
lot of issues with doctor Powers. And before we left
for the break, my question is this negotiations to stop
the war in Ukraine. Donald Trump says is going to
stop it in his first day or first week in office.
Obviously that didn't happen. He's been meeting with Putin as

(01:52:20):
we all know, and discussing Ukraine without Ukraine being at
the table. So my question to you, everybody knows his
friendship with Putin, does does that make him a compromised negotiator?
Doctor Powers?

Speaker 9 (01:52:35):
Clearly, But I think that See, I think this is sometime.
This is you know from working counter intelligence in the FBI.
This is the countries know it. And there's not an
ivity on the part of people around the world who
are in these positions, who are work in intelligence agencies.
United States I have, you know, between eighty and one

(01:52:58):
hundred a military basis between eighty and one hundred and
some countries around the world, so they have a military presence.
Those people understand too that when Trump talks. He's not
just talking about diplomacy, he's talking about force. And some
countries come online because of that, so they recognize it

(01:53:20):
for what it is, you know, And there's always a
cost for peace if you would go back. And I
know you already noticed, but at World War One, when
they signed the Versali's Agreement, there was actually a book
published called the Cost of Peace saying that by having
these kind of negotiations and these stringent restrictions on Germany,

(01:53:41):
you are allowing for the rise of a dictator, which
happened with Adolph Hitler that took us into to World
War Two. So the leadership of these particular countries are
not are not naives about the negotiations that are taking place.
They understand that these are not negotiations that are fair

(01:54:02):
to the Ukraine. But never have any negotiations that has
ended in that have dealt with war and peace and
territorial demands been fair. Remember Richard Nixon told Saudi Arabia
that either they will sell the US or the US
will come and take oil. So outwardly, he was negotiating

(01:54:23):
for a contract for a relationship which this country has
now the solid relationship with Saudi Arabia. But when Saudi
Arabia pushed back at that particular times under the Richard
Nixon administration, he said, either listen, this is a diplomatical
request publicly, but behind the scenes, let me make it
abundantly clear, because of the military might of this particular country,

(01:54:47):
either you accept this or you don't. Essentially, that's what
Trump said when they had the argument and the White
House with the President of Ukraine, when he said to him,
you don't have the cards. This has been his historic
reality of this country and other countries around the world.
So the people who are watching this don't expect, don't

(01:55:08):
think that Trump is a fair broken They ahead of
these other nations. They're clear about that. They may not
come out and say it because I guess mention to
you the military presence and the corporate power of the
United States. They may not come out and say it,
but they are absolutely clear. But this is not a
negotiation designed to get a fair resolution. Is designed to

(01:55:29):
get a resolution with a person that Trump likes in
Vladimir Putin, and a power that he desire to have
in Vladimir Putin, and that kind of leadership. So we may,
we may, we may from our standpoint from lay people,
not from our position working counter intelligence in the FBI,

(01:55:50):
but as a lay person, we may say, well, this
doesn't seem like an equal negotiation. He's negotiating with Putin.
He's talking about Ukraine giving up some territory. But historically,
this is how it's been done, especially when you're dealing
with an empire. In the United States is no longer
a country. Let's be clear. We may say it's a country,

(01:56:11):
but the nations of the world clearly recognize it as
an empire. Which is why which as a quick side conversation,
immigration in this particular country have never been about US
necessarily want in immigrants here. It's always been about Alan
Dillison and John Foster dovi us felt that immigrants could
bring US intelligence about military movements in other countries, so

(01:56:34):
they strategically allow for immigration because they're provided for a
stronger intelligence presence and more powerful The United States of America.
That's the history of this nation is always an advantage,
and it's not. The conversation about fairness and doing it
the right way and doing it the kind way have
never been part of the equation. President Eisenhower said the

(01:56:55):
United States have no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just
permanent interests. So they've always been done in the interests
of those and positions of power in the United States,
not in the interests of truth, justice, in the American
way of fairness, of kindness to other countries. And as
a result of us having some humanitarian there's been humanitarians

(01:57:15):
in this country, but the policies have never been done
in a manner to get justice, but they've been designed
in a manner to extend the power of the American empire.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Right twenty five Off the topic, I'm glad you mentioned
Nixon in the Saudist because what came out of that
the Petro dollar. They started to do business in dollars,
in usd in US American dollars, and that's coming on
to attack by the Brick Nations. Your thoughts on the
Brick Nations, Doctor powis at some point that they want
to use their own currency or cryptocurrency. What are you

(01:57:50):
hearing about the Brick Nations.

Speaker 9 (01:57:52):
Yeah, I think they absolutely do want to have their
own currency. In fact, post World War Two, that was
the major push a United York what they denied Africa
when Africa decided wanted to become a United States of Africa.
They wanted to become a United Europe under one currency
because they didn't want to be dependent completely in the

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United States, which they felt they were during World War Two,
and the United States felt that way. That's why you
had the Marshall Plan post World War Two. That was
a quick pro quote too, We're going to help me
build York. But there will always be some concessions where
you would have to listen to the way we want
things done as well as the way you want things done.
So there's no doubt about it. They've always desired that

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post World War Two because they say how reliant they
were on the United States of America. So they've always
wanted to do that. But they have to then take
into other considerations like the might of the United States.
You know, Trump keep using the language almost of a dictator.
His language is consistent with that of Vladimir Pudin or

(01:59:01):
when he had the purges which we've seen here from
the standpoint of people being fired. If you go back
in history, it tells us exactly what this plan looked like.
We don't have to guess at it because he's admired
these leaders like Stalin, like Putin and even Hitler to
an extent, he's admired these particular leaders and how they

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carry things out. And so his policies and his actions,
his structure to taking over Washington, d C. The purging,
which is what Stalin did. He purged his government, the
purging of people who disagreed or disliked him. He actually
likes that. He likes a strong man mentality. There's a
wonderful book called Strongman and they tell you how they operate.

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He likes that strongman mentality, and he's trying to do
it in a way that he can navigate this while
he has the authority and their power, and he's put
fear not only in Democrats, with a Republican all.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
Right, twenty after the top down just check and I
guess is. Doctor Tyron Powers is a former FBI agent.
He's written a book to We'll tell about his book
before he leaves here. Let's go to Charlesto. Charles has
a question for It's online one and he's calling from Baltimore,
grind Rising Charles Young with doctor Powers.

Speaker 6 (02:00:14):
Yeah, that's how you doing?

Speaker 9 (02:00:15):
Thought, Good morning, how you doing? I'm doing great? Thanks
for asking I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (02:00:20):
Great too, So let's get into this. The government ended
in nineteen ninety nine for two weeks and all the
ships were stuck at sea and could not come home.
And Russell J. Gould was the one that saved us
and allowed the ships to come home. So what are

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the rules for Marshall law? Because we don't have a government.
We've been in Marshall law since nineteen ninety nine, and
we know that by every time we have an election,
they say a different Oh, they changed the dates. Then
they adoring different traditional mannerisms, and we know America is

(02:01:07):
strictly for a tradition. So when they started changing things
like after nineteen ninety nine, the hanging chads, when they
started all of that, that let us know we were
in martial law and the government was not fully restarted.
So what is the rules? What is the conditions for

(02:01:29):
martial law? So we can understand what martial law is?
Thank you all right?

Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
Thanks?

Speaker 9 (02:01:34):
Which is interesting because it's always subjective, just like Trump
is using the National Guide in Washington, DC. Because the
Child and the Mission says, if there's a exigence circumstances
or an emergency situation or a threat to public safety
of citizens of the United States than that subjectively, depending
on whether you get the support of Congress and get

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the support of the Court, and get the support of others,
which is what Trump is doing and trying to consolidate
votes in Congress for the duration of his administration, then
you can say, this is the definition of when we
can employ certain or execute certain plans because of exigence circumstances,

(02:02:18):
emergency situation and threats. And I'm defining it as that,
and I'm asking Congress, to courts and others to define
it as that too. So the terminology have always been there,
emergency situations, executive exigence circumstances, a threat to public safety,
a threat to the public, which you can define crime
ass that depending on who you have in power and

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who's willing to go along with you. It's always been
subjective in that way. And what He's been able to
do is define, use the subjective terminology that are in
all of these documents about what constitutes an emergency situation
or exigence circumstances or a threat to public safety, and
then get people to go along with them the whole concept.

(02:03:02):
And I'm not telling anything new with this, So the
balance of powers is that so one particular person doesn't
become a king or dictator. Even Thomas Jefferson and all
his racism and his dictatorship, said that, you know, anybody
who stays in power too long becomes a dictator. It's
too alluring, he said, I don't care who you are,

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becomes too alluring. So when you have a dictator mindset,
you get to define, even though you have words written
on paper, get to define what they mean because they
are subjective terminology. And the only thing that pushes back
on that is when you have a congress, congressional leaders,
or a public it says, no, we're not defining that
as that. I think you've seen that in some states

(02:03:44):
where they said, no, we're not gonna put national guards
on the street because here the criteria for doing that,
and this doesn't meet that. Besshold by that definition. What
Trump is able to do in Washington, DC is say, well,
I have the power to define. I had the people
who will back up my definition to have the power
to implement this. And that's what he's been doing. I mean,

(02:04:05):
it's not that he's not These moves he makes are
not so intelligent as they are strategic and if if
if Malcolm has strive in history is best qualified that
we reward our research. He's just duplicating things that have
been done in the past, understanding that probably this generation,

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while we're good at communication and not good at understanding,
how to counter that as it was counted in the past,
because in the past people have counted this kind of
move towards dictatorship, even when we've liked the person, For example, Franklin,
dell and and Roosevelt, who was able to successfully win
election four times in a row. At some point people

(02:04:48):
after he died, people say, look, you know what, Franklin
may have done some good things social security, taking care
of people and all, but we don't want a dictatorship.
So we're going to reduce that to two terms. And
at some point people get pushed back after they had
a clear indica indication of where this was heading. And
that's that's the purpose of to call Nelson Show another show,

(02:05:11):
so we can lay out to people why clearly they
should push back against this and how to push back
against it. Thomas fame famous book Common Sense says, if
you communicate with the public, if you have public discussions,
not yelling and screaming and name calling, but public discussions
to tell them what is happening, where this is headed,

(02:05:32):
and where it is why it's not unprecedented. Then that
public discussion will lead to logical, strategic public resistance rather
than rhetorical public resistance.

Speaker 3 (02:05:45):
All right, just want to send them away from the top,
doctor Parsle. Let me give you a hypotheticalist. Some people
think that Trump is being used. He's not going to
be there forever. At some point they're going to move
him out, whether they say he's cognitively have problems so
he can't really rule again after that, And the real
driver they're trying to do is get JD. Evans in there.
This is what part of in twenty twenty five they

(02:06:06):
talked about the Dark Enlightenment, and we see Elon Musk
at one point says she was going to start his
own party after he had the fallout supposed fall out
with Donald Trump. Now he says she's doing everything to
back JD. Evans and JD. Vance and Musk and Peter Field,
both South Africans. They started with pay pay palace how
they made their money and they're backing JD. Vans. Is

(02:06:27):
this what we're seeing the progression here is this how
do you see this? Or is this some conjecture that
really has no basis in reality.

Speaker 9 (02:06:35):
Now let me just say this to you. It's never personalities,
it's systems. So if JD. Vance is advancing or has
agreed to to advance the system or the program or
the direction or the corporate model that Allen and John
Foster Dollas thought that the United States should rule the

(02:06:55):
world because of this financial empire, and the earl decisions
should made in a sense if he buys into that.
Even if those brothers didn't become president, but they were
behind the president as head of the CIA and Secretary
of State. But they said, anyone who follows this plan,
we don't give it. Then, whether their name is JD.
Vans or or JD. Something else, it's not the person.

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That person compromises and agrees to carry out a systemic
plan that we put in the place. And so the
continuation of this empire philosophy. You know, every nation to
an extent had won every since the British Empire and
the Roman Empire. You know, we said the son never
sat on the British Empire and the Romans, that said

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to control the world, and even Adelf Hitler in his
language said today Germany, tomorrow the world. It's that same
kind of mentality and thinking, and that whoever goes along
with that or accept that as their mission is the
person they're going to support. J. D. Van says bought
in and accepted that, and have explained that he accepted that.

(02:08:02):
But it's all a corporate model, and they've said this.
I mean, it's just not secretive in the sense that
again we've experienced this in the past with the Dallas
brothers actually have a airport named after them. But have
the Devias brother said that this is how it should
be with the United States. We should rule the world
with corporations, with military might. And again I just told

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you we have ninety to one hundred and some military
bases and countries around the world. But these people are
not getting on board because they like Trump or they
necessarily agree with Trump. He's making them an offer they
can't be.

Speaker 3 (02:08:37):
Seen, got it? And hold that thought right there. It's
twenty four minutes away from the top of I got
some folks want to talk to you, and we want
to get any more about what's going on in the
streets of Washington, DC. Also the Epstein Files. It's one
of the members of the FBI says he saw the
Epstein Files and he was disturbed. Now they didn't get him,
but they added somebody to his detail, so he's got

(02:08:59):
a job sharing. Now we'll get into that as well. Family,
you got questions for our guests is doctor Tyrone Powers.
He's a former FBI agent and you can reach us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls next.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):

Speaker 3 (02:09:38):
Thank grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Thursday
with us at nineteen minutes away from the top of
that with our guest retired. If you're tired, he is
retired former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers. Before we go
back to Dr Towers. Sorry mind it tomorrow's Friday. This
is where we give you a chance to free your
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and join us for our open phone Friday program. Love
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(02:09:59):
last minute and long. It's a ton of folks that
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Doctor Powers got some folks got questions for you. Let's
go to Bill. He's in Baltimore. He's online two grand Rising.
Bill and your question for Doctor Powers.

Speaker 6 (02:10:22):
Thank you for alone.

Speaker 10 (02:10:24):
My friend mentored Tyront Palace come on again, and uh, Tyront,
I know Mike is going to be doing the spook
to sit by the door and certain they want you
to be there to talk about the film. But I
also want to because I.

Speaker 7 (02:10:37):
Heard you say that you know, history's gonna let us
know how this.

Speaker 10 (02:10:41):
Is going to end. You know, I continue to say
that we are moving towards the civil war and the
recipe is in the air. I just were lying to
know your position in terms of how do you see
as there ending and do you think that we're going
into a civil war?

Speaker 9 (02:10:57):
Wow? Thank you Bill. It's always is always good to
hear hear from you. I think that's the put there's
the potential for that to be. But I think there's
the potential for that occurring. I just don't know if
you know, in order for any kind of massive action

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to occur, whether it's a civil war or a movement
that changes the scope in the direction of the government,
it takes for a massive amount of communication and understanding
from the masses of people. And I don't think we're
there right now. And I think many of the people
across this nation racism. Trump's everything. So I think there

(02:11:42):
are people who will let Trump do with everything he
needs to do as long as he mitigates what they
consider as a racial disparity. I think that's why you're
seeing that the desire to uh to remove brown people
from this particular nation, to and encourage white people to

(02:12:02):
increase their reproductive activity and to increase their particular population,
and things of that sort. So I think that lacking
a clear communication and understanding of what's happening, any kind
of unified action, whether it's political or beyond political, is

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a difficult proposition. And that's I think that's what history
dictates too. I think that's what history dictates, even in
our communities, even in brown communities. For the black and
brown communities, their people consistently and constantly divided. I know
you hear it, and I hear it. We've seen to
have ignored everybody loved Malcolm X. What they seem to

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have ignored Malcolm excess admonishment to that. You know, if
the we shouldn't be divided over methods, that the objective
is the same, we can have different methods and get
to the same place. Well, we're not really there right now.
We are arguing amongst ourselves and in our community. We
don't have an integrated approach. We talk about integration and

(02:13:11):
civil rights. Well, we don't have an integrated approach to
making massive changes in our particular community. And without an
integrated approach and without a unifying issue, which well a
unifying a unifying action, then there will never be any

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kind of unified response to what's happening in this nation
and around the world. And history dictates. History dictates that too. Remember,
and I think Colin, we've talked about this before, because
I don't think it's irrelevant. I think it should be
taught to all of our children, especially in HBCUs and
other places the co Intel pro operations. Remember what Jaga

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Hoover said that you know, there's for all this triteness,
the statement that their strength and unity is true. So
the constant God and the constant battle of the agencies
and the agencies that I was the part of for
years is to keep us disunified, keep us arguing about
who has the best method, rather than keep us focusing
on the objective, which is the conclusion that Malcolm came

(02:14:15):
into because early on he criticized doctor King, criticized, and
then he came back and said, you know what, I
am going to even being tricked and trapped into arguing
methods rather than looking at the objectives. And I don't
think we're there yet. Unfortunately. I think programs like called
Nelson's program, I think nuanced discussing and conversation and communication

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about not only what the problem is, not just emotional,
because nobody cares if we're emotional. My grandfather or used
to always say that nobody cares if you get anger.
Is an emotion, it's not a solution. Nobody cares if
you're angry unless you turn that into a strategy. And
that's what Jegah Hoover said during a co Intel pro paper.
So I don't see a unified action of any form,

(02:14:58):
political or otherwise until we identify as some strategic and
concrete solutions to counter what is happening across this nation
and across the world.

Speaker 3 (02:15:10):
That's a good observation, like the analysis at thirteen away
from the top of the are. But part of it,
Doctor Powers, is the fact that we've been programmed to
hate each other. We've argue and fight with each other,
and that's what doctor Wilson has been teaching us and
nearly fuller. They stay on code. As long as we
keep fighting each other, then we don't have the time
to look what they're doing. They're oppressing us. How do

(02:15:32):
we get our family to move from that mentality of
appointing fingers at each other, accusing each other, attacking each other,
whether it be physically, mentally, or even on the streets
DC or our young people. How do we make that move?

Speaker 9 (02:15:46):
There's a couple of things there. First of all, there's
people who you know, doctor King gave a speech called
Drum Major instinct east of the individuals who have this
need for attention. They've got to be out front. And
if they can't be out front by coming up with
logical and strategic solutions, they'll come up. They'll be up
trump by attacking other people who have lige solutions and

(02:16:06):
conclusions and they can draw you into a fight that
you shouldn't even fight, understanding that they have a need
for attention, and if you give oxygen to that organism,
then it becomes even a greater battle. So I mentioned
to you before, in my track and in my journey,

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I've loved to focus on the mission and the goal
of helping out people come up with concrete solutions that
they can put in place today, tomorrow and into the future.
And the students that I teach at the HBCUs and
the presentations I give and the groups that I work with,
both overtly and covertly, I consistently focus on the mission

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and not what others are doing or not doing. Because
I don't have a narcissistic personality. I don't think, and
so I don't have a need for that kind of attention.
And so you're always going to have those particular people,
but you have to in my process of educating the
young people who I get to speak with, whether it's
here in Chicago and the Mud to Jamaica, when I

(02:17:12):
went to Cuba, it's consistently having them focus on the
particular issue and understand the history of this divide and
concuers scheme Geronimo Pratt before he left the United States
and went to Africa. As I mentioned to you before,
I had the opportunity to be a part of a
We both spoke as part of two speakers on a

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program up in Harlem at the Harriet Tubman School at
the time, and he consistently said that unless we teach
our children from elementary school, especially at HBCUs colleges and universities,
in our community and our community groups, and on our
radio and broadcast programs O intel pro and they will
continue to repeat this behavior where we will be more

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fighting against our self than fighting than having a common
mission and fight against other. Elijah Muhammad, the head of
the Nation of Islam, when they sat down with him
one time and tried to get him to criticize Martin
Luther King. It was the Cup Shack Interviews, the Cup
Interviews which people can watch on YouTube, and they asked him,
they say, well, you, Martin Luther King, don't necessarily agree

(02:18:17):
with what you're doing in the Nation of Islam. And
instead of him criticized and condemning Martin Luther King, he said,
I'm trying to teach my brother that kind of philosophy,
that kind of thought process. We were not attacking each other,
but we're trying to bring the methods in coherence with
the objectives. Is what we always have to do. You
do that a great deal on this particular program, but

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I do it in the classroom, and I go back
to teaching that boy to seminar. I have all this
things there. I walked them through that, and by the
end of the semester, I of students emailing me now
from four or five years ago and say, Doc, you
ask us to present a paper where we had to
come up with ten solutions to our particular problem didn't
involve attacking other people of our own group. Do you

(02:18:59):
still have that paper because I need to go back
to it. I've missed. I've turned it into you, but
I can't find it in my files. So I know
that the young people are looking for concrete solutions, but
they're also watching our behavior and watching what we do,
so that has to be key. We have to develop,
for example, a solid and concrete mission of what we
are trying to achieve. The Black Panther Party had a

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ten point plan. The Nation of Iszon said, well, this
is what we are trying to achieve this and stay
on mission and stay on method and not be side
tracked by personality or personalities who have this desire, this
narcissistic personality and need for attention and thus draw you
into a battle with for personality. And it's not about

(02:19:42):
the personality. It's about the mission for Christians. The Biblically
it says, you know, this is a battle for principles.
Principality is not personality. And we're easily drawing there because
some of us are very thin skin, and when someone
says something about us, I'll naturally toward it, almost like
children who have a dorestic development, is to get involved

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in a back and forth with that person rather than
staying on a mission, and then they take our energy
from that mission. And that's what Minister fara Con said
to me when I had an opportunity to sit down
with the dinner with him, and I will repeat that
because I think it's worthy of repeating. He said, if
God has given you a mission and you're driving towards
a destination and a vehicle that God gave you in
the banat getting the window, it's annoying, but don't wreck

(02:20:24):
the vehicle. Don't not reach your destination because you're trying
to kill a nat stay focused. So we're always going
to have those people. But I think the key is
is to identify clear mission, concrete strategies to reach that
mission and teach that to our children and children's children.

Speaker 6 (02:20:40):
This education piece call I just.

Speaker 9 (02:20:42):
Don't want us to ever get away from that. I
think that's what doctor Carlogey Wishes did in the Miseducation
as the Negro. If we can get and Nelson Mandela
said that education is the best thing we can have
to change our lives. If we can get our young people,
if we can develop them and to engineers, Doctor's lawd
your teachers, political leaders will say conscious and who are

(02:21:03):
not corrupt. If we can take control of this education piece.
In Baltimore City, we have a fifty to sixty percent
dropout rate that doesn't bode well for the future. And
that's not something that is going to counter what we're
seeing being done to us with individuals like Trump or JD.
Vans or any other thing. If we don't prepare them
academically beyond the abstract, and we don't focus every single organization.

(02:21:30):
I don't care whether it's a church, need to be
having someone at PGA meetings, need to be having someone
in the school to be addressing the education issues because
despite everything else we do, feeding the homeless, dealing with
the hungry, dealing with those who are addicted on penanor
for anywhere else, if we don't deal with that education issue,

(02:21:51):
then you know it's a genocidal catastropy because it'll happen again.
So every single organization, whatever you'll focus a mission, could
have someone at the school board meeting, so someone engaged
in changing our education system. Because if now we're going
to repeat this cycle we have we know we have
bad parents, no parents, we have parents who don't know

(02:22:14):
how to be parents, But that doesn't mean we can't intercede,
interstep and change the direction of the child. You know,
we've read the stories of the autobiographer of Malcolm Xwell
and he said he committed every crime known to mankind
until he was intervened in by Elijah Muhammad and the nation.
Even if you are not a Muslim, you can understand

(02:22:34):
the concept that it took intervention, redirection, re education to
change the future of someone who most of us admire now.
But it took some intervention from somebody like Elijah Muhammad
and nature. He never gets enough credit. Whether you missed
them Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, agnostic or atheist, you've got to

(02:22:54):
admit the lives that he changed, and that intervention is
what will not have us always reacting, but will have
us proactive and teaching our young people how to not
get caught up in these battles where you're the Crypts
and the Bloods and you're the Black Gorilla family and
you're killing each other because people instigate that. The co
Intail pro papers indicate clearly that FBI agents were rewarded

(02:23:19):
for instigating gang violence. They needed a Crypts and a
blood and a Black Gorilla family. They needed a tupact
a biggie who are both talented people arguing to the
point where they end up dead because of this East
Coast West Coast battle when we don't own enough property
on the East Coast or the West coast, and to

(02:23:39):
undo that kind of thinking is what Carllegy Woods in
the Founder of Negro History, which became Black History Month,
was arguing in the miseducation of the Negro in a
nuanced way, ignoring the yelling, the screaming, the back and forth,
the people with narcisstic personalities who have a need for
attention and a nuance way teach the young people and

(02:24:05):
the traders.

Speaker 3 (02:24:06):
Yeah, because uh for a way for the top, because
right now we have the ados and foundation of Black
Americans that again working for the government under the guys
that are going against us, our people, especially our African
brothers and sisters. It's just a reincarnation of what you
just said. So I'm glad you mentioned that. If people
don't understand what doctor Powell said, just to some research
on some of the folks who are involved in both

(02:24:26):
of those groups, you find out they're not even married
to black people. You know some of it now, I've
been married to it to some of the are in
the same sex as well. So do your research before
you start quoting them.

Speaker 6 (02:24:38):
But listen and.

Speaker 9 (02:24:41):
And you're not gonna You're not necessarily going to change them,
but we can change the mission. I've said this, You
don't necessarily have to go the baby out with for back.
If I don't like a particular personality, and this is
what I've also kept us divided, you know, the religion thing.
If I don't like a particular personality, a particular vision.
That doesn't mean that that person don't have something to
add to the argument. You know, Malcolm X said to

(02:25:03):
the Student of Beyond with Elijah Rahamma said too that
you know, when you get pulled over at night, they
don't stop you because you're Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhists. They
stopped you because you're black. So there's what he tried
to get us to do is focused on the common objective,
so we can have a common mission and a common
strategy even if I don't like the personality. If I
if I'm in disagree with Paul's personality and call say

(02:25:27):
something that I can use prefer the our mission, then
I have to be big enough, intelligent enough, strong enough,
thick skinned enough to say, you know what I don't
necessarily like.

Speaker 7 (02:25:36):
We call this.

Speaker 3 (02:25:38):
Dr Palace, Can I let you finish your foot on
the other side? Three away from the top of Our Family,
Doctor Terren Poalece, I guess talk to him after the
short lits next.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
With the most Submission The Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (02:25:58):
With the Most Who Submission, Ground Rising Family FASTI just

(02:26:24):
staying with us on this Thursday morning. But I guess
Doctor Tyron Powers form FBI agent doctor powers. I'm gona
let you finish your thoughts that we got some folks
who got questions for you.

Speaker 9 (02:26:33):
Yeah, I'll be I'll be brief. I'm just saying that
and all of our research, even if we don't like
the personalities, there may be something that nugget we can
grab from what they say. You know, you know, Harry
Truman was a racist, no doubt about it. As President
of the United States. In fact, he said publicly from
the White House that he believed every man is a

(02:26:55):
good man and equal unless he's a Chinaman or a nigga.
This is what the president said from the from the
White House. But what also Truman said is that we'd
be surprised of how much we can accomplish when we
don't care who gets the credit. He also said that
I'm not going to play the blame game if I
make a decision right or wrong. The buck stopped here.

(02:27:15):
Had that on his desk in the President's office. So
why I can admonish dislike the personality.

Speaker 12 (02:27:22):
And the racism of him.

Speaker 9 (02:27:24):
It doesn't mean that I can't read everything that I'm
reading and say. But here is a good point. When
I was in the FBI Academy. Just very briefly. When
I was in the FBI Academy, they had us reading
the turn of diaries, so we can see what it
would look like when they planned an attack on the government.
What they had us reading, mind comp and we can

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figure out how Adolph Hitler, who was in prison, came
out of prison and took the world of war which
killed over eighty million people. How someone locked up because
you needed to you recognize that pattern of behavior. You
weren't admiring him, but you were saying, Okay, this is
the method they use, and this is where it ends

(02:28:08):
up back. So you had to read even your enemies
or even your opposition. In fact, they would tell us
that it is more important that you read your opposition
than your friends, because your friends already agreed with you.
Your oppositions tell you how they come got you.

Speaker 3 (02:28:23):
Three after the top of the way, Doctor Tyron Powers
Marvin's in Baltimore's Online three and Marming. Your question for
Doctor Powers, Doctor.

Speaker 9 (02:28:32):
Powers, how you doing this boy? I'm doing well. Thank
you for calling in, thank you for asking.

Speaker 6 (02:28:38):
Just want to ask you a few questions. How much
of the real footage time of the Ukraine War. Have
you ever seen.

Speaker 9 (02:28:47):
Real foot of time? I'm not sure. I don't even
know if any of it is real for the time
of the war.

Speaker 17 (02:28:53):
But I can't say exactly that. Wait a minute, you say,
you know you're not sure if if it's any real
foot each other war.

Speaker 9 (02:29:01):
I don't know if we're seeing. What we're seeing is
real time. You said real time for the men's happen?

Speaker 16 (02:29:06):
You right?

Speaker 9 (02:29:07):
Then, when we see it?

Speaker 17 (02:29:08):
Where did we see that?

Speaker 9 (02:29:09):
Then?

Speaker 17 (02:29:10):
That the Russian the Ukraine War was supposed to be
going on in Ukraine blew up Russia's old field and everything.

Speaker 9 (02:29:15):
Where do we see that at on on the media,
on the medium, on the internet, on on the online,
on the media, on the television, on the news out right,
But I can't tell you if it's real time or not.

Speaker 17 (02:29:29):
Okay, Well, do they play Nintendo games online?

Speaker 3 (02:29:34):
Carvin Douce a favorite? Can he get to the question?
You know, we don't have to play all these games,
just go directly? What's your question for doctor Powers?

Speaker 17 (02:29:41):
This is I'm want to ask you. It's the rich
end this game with Trump for the money? Are they
in this game just to rip the poor people off?
And where's the biggest most money coming from there's the
Trump and the risk can get their payday from.

Speaker 6 (02:29:54):
Where do you think?

Speaker 3 (02:29:56):
All right, thank you for your question, doctor Powers.

Speaker 9 (02:29:59):
I guess from actually hearing this question now, I would
talked before about the history of the United States have
been more of a corporate model, that the importance of
wars have been also to be there have to be
a financial incentive for the United States to be involved.
I mean, we don't even have to guess at that,
because President Eisenhower said that we have to have, you know,
permanent interests, and those interests have always been interested in

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terms of corporate interests as well as territorial interests. So
I'm not I guess I didn't get completely his question.

Speaker 3 (02:30:31):
Right. But let's move on. Let's go. Brother Collis is next.
He's on line one. He's calling from Waldorf in Maryland,
Grand Rising Brother College. Your question for doctor.

Speaker 14 (02:30:39):
Powers, Grand Rising, my dear brothers, and thank you doctor
Powells for your contribution. Let me ask the questions as
problem sits and mediates with the European leaders. Is it
in the statement that he makes that zelenski uh must

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compromise and give up his territory and make a deal.
Is this reminiscent of Nevill Chamberlain, the British Prime minister
in World War Two, went to Hitler and came back
with the statement that this is peace in our times?
And then after he signed the agreement, hit them proceeded

(02:31:24):
to chop them up like liver and created Winston church
church Hill, who said that we have nothing to offer
the blood, sweat and tears as they fought their ware.
Is this reminiscence of peace in our times and at
appeasement that Nevill Chamberlain pontificated, That's my question.

Speaker 9 (02:31:46):
Yeah, it absolutely is. And as I mentioned a little
earlier with the Dulles brother you got to remember that
part of the Israel that exists today, part of their
concerns and maybe Jewish people around the world, was there
that John Foster Zella's and Alan Dallas from the corporate
model actually supplied the metal that allowed Hitler to make

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the arms that he made to attack his particular neighbors
because there was a financial incentive in it for this
nation actually were a bet aiders and a Better's and
what Hitler did over there because the US just like
the bombers being dropped and palistine now has got USA

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stamped on him, and the bombs that are being fied
in the Ukraine and Russia war eminate its origin is
here because it's finance. We've said that throughout and those
deals have always been made deals of appeasement. And when
Donald Trump sets at that table with those leaders around
the world, he's already threatened them financially, so it's not

(02:32:51):
an an equal conversation, and he tries to dictate to
them that we're not equals at this table. You're the
European country. Here's what you will do. You will provide security,
you will spend this, and you will pay us this.
So those are not negotiations. Those are not equal negotiations.

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Those are threats, and those are a dictatorship. And he
likes that because again, that's what the Russians have done forever,
and he actually likes that model. We don't understand he
doesn't oppose Vladimir Putin in that model of a dictatorship.
He doesn't oppose that in first. In fact, he aspires

(02:33:33):
to be like that, like Stalin, like the purges. Just
look at the history. Just go back and look at
and read the history the purges, purging the government, purging
the people around him, purging other leaders in other countries,
find people at the FRED who doesn't necessarily want to
do your interest rates what I'm gonna do with you.
Find people in his own administration purging even the Elon

(02:33:54):
Musk when you get tired of him. Those kind of
things are historically if you go back and look at
the Dollar regime and the regimes around the world, you'll
see exactly what he's doing. And the only way you
counter that. You know, when I again in the FBI
working count intelligence, they say you will never fully counter that,
you will never effectively counter that you do not fully understand.

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Superficial understanding could only lead to superficial strategies and solutions.
And that's what we're looking at now. And that's why
I think it's so important to have a nuanced discussion
and communications about exactly what we're seeing, because that's the
only way, besides the rhetoric, that you're going to come
up with a strategy counter it. Whether we're talking about

(02:34:37):
on a local level with crime on our freests and
juvenile justice issue and education issues, or whether we're talking
about on a macro level with international issue that's we
understand what happened with Patrice Lamuma. We will not understand
or we cannot prevent black politicians who do take a
strong stand in the United States from meaning the same faith,

(02:34:58):
if not physically the and politically ten after the.

Speaker 3 (02:35:03):
Tough that with doctor Powers, Doctor Powers, let's go to
Kansas City, Roberts waiting for us. He's online too, Grand
Rising Roberts a question for doctor Powers.

Speaker 6 (02:35:12):
Yes, sir, grand Rising to both of you, Doctor Power.
I made his comment last week that there's a similarity
between how Trump and Hitler, and the similarities that I
pointed out was that when Hitler became a chancellor of
a Nazi Germany, became Chancellor of Germany on January of thirty,

(02:35:32):
nineteen thirty three, he said that he was going to
make he was going to make Germany great again. Trump
said that he was going to make America great again.
Hitler started writing a bunch of executive arters directed at
the Jews or what they could and could not do.
Trump starts writing executive artists directed at black people, shutting
down the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department, getting
rid of d he had already gotten rid of affirmative Action,

(02:35:54):
and lastly, I'll say, well, one more point is that
Hitler started shutting down media, radio, and television stations that
disagree with him. What does Trump do? Trump he defunded
public radio. And so lastly, I'll say this, I've heard

(02:36:14):
people say on the Carl Nelson Show that black people
are the true Jews of the Bible. Well, if we
are the true Jews of the Bible and Trump plans
on running America like Hitler, did we in trouble, thanks
for taking my call.

Speaker 9 (02:36:30):
Yeah, well, well, clearly there's some parallels. I don't think
and it's not even a tremendous jump. If you go
to the largest World War Two museum in the United States,
which is in New Orleans, it's about three of maybe
two or three city blocks. This is a tremendous location.
If you go into the walls and into that museum,
if you've traveled to New Orleans and you visit that,

(02:36:51):
which we really should right on the walls in there.
It don't have Adolph Hitler's quote. They have it in
the museum. He said the goal of him taking power
was to make Germany great again. So you don't have
to jump to any conclusions of doing internet. So if
you walk into the museum and it tells you in
that museum, it's not even hid hiding us from us

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the method. But it's not only a Hitler method. It's
a Stalin method, as I mentioned before with the purges.
So here's the deal though, So when I'm teaching that
to young people see history. Young people have pushed back
on learning history because it's always been taught in a
way that is abstract and boring to them. If I

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can connect the events of history to the events of
the day, then the young people say, Okay, then that's real.
Now I get that. Now, I get that how we're
being divided and gained from east coast to west coast.
I get that how denying us education and the ability
to read are making us feel good about being ignorant
and calling our own people names have worked to our

(02:37:56):
detriment over time. But you have to teach it in
a way to connect to pass with the president, not
in an abstract way. And the other thing the call
and I have always talked about on this particular show
is we've got to see the world through the eyes
of our young people. What we know based on our
experiences and based on our age is not what they know,
so we've got to walk them through it. Sometimes we

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talk about them rather than talk to them, and we
don't educate them. We preach to them. And if preaching
work everywhere than in colleges and universities, who would have
preachers and our teachers or professors, we would have preachers,
and we don't walk them through it. I'm telling you
right now, a young man is always hungry for a

(02:38:38):
better way to do it. When we don't provide it,
they do it in the way they're doing it on
the streets now, drugs, alcohol, violence, rape, robbery, so on
and so forth, and they allow the other side to
do what Trump is doing with the National Guard, when
we teach it in a way that it's relevant to
them and we give them other options, you know, with
a rap throup called Black Sheep that said you can

(02:38:59):
get with.

Speaker 17 (02:38:59):
This, so you can get with that.

Speaker 9 (02:39:00):
When we walked young people through that, watch them change
the direction. That's why I agree with all of our
leaders of the past, whether it was w Ev De
Boors or Booker T. Washington who had different philosophies, but
at the foundation of all of it was educating our
young people and walking them through that, or Elijah Muhammad
saying that if you give them a clean glass and

(02:39:21):
a dirty glass, they will always choose the clean glass.
We talk amongst each other, and we talk about historical
events about each other, but we don't connect to DOT
so that our young people can change their behavior. We're
being more abstract and concrete and that won't change our condition.

Speaker 3 (02:39:36):
All right, Robert, thank you for your call fourteen and
a half the topee. I got to ask you this
question today. What's going on at the agency that you
were at? Donald Trump has just added a Missouri's attorney
journal to help run the FBI. This is caused by
Don Bongino. He was an assistant the FBI and he
saw the Epstein files doctor Powas, and he was outraged

(02:39:59):
of what he saw, and he threatened to quit. And
it got so much that he'd gotten to an altercation
not all verbal altercation with Pam Bondi was supposed to
be his boss, and he threatened to quit. So now
they sort of let that die down and talked him
out of quitting because they drew too much attentions to
Epstein files. So now they've added another person to share
his responsibilities with at the FBI, and they and some

(02:40:24):
people think what we're seeing in the streets is a
reaction as a diversion to the Epstein files. Your thoughts
on all.

Speaker 9 (02:40:31):
Of this, Yeah, two things. The FBI have always been
an extension of whoever was in power, except when Jago,
who will use it, because he actually fit the script
and had the FBI run the president rather than the
president run the FBI, because he realized in the early
twenties that if you gave the secrets on the president,
they could never get rid of him, which is why
he came to power in the nineteen twenties and didn't

(02:40:54):
leave power until he dropped dead in his house in Washington,
DC in the nineteen seventies, because every president was refewed
were afraid of him because of the secrets he had
masked on the president. So it has either gone one
way or the other. In most parts and most part
of our history, it has been the agency being an

(02:41:15):
extension of the leader in a position of power because
they get their appointed director, and the director's appointed for
ten years and they get to remove the director. So
they've always been an extension of that, even when they've
had secret If you recall, and I know you recall this,
when Richard Nixon was in power, when the FBI decided
for a minute not to do what he wanted to do,

(02:41:37):
he actually indicated that he was going to have the
CIA physically get rid of some people in the FBI
because he thought that they should be an extension or
whatever he wanted in his particular power. His vice President
spiau Agne wrote a book called Go Quietly or Elsewhere.
He said President Nixon threatened him, either you do this
or you will be assassinated. That's how this our dynamic work.

(02:42:01):
And that's the importance of us understanding that. So yesterday
there was a major court ruling where the court ruled
that they were not going to release the grand jury
fouls that this administration was telling them to release on
the Epstein matter, because the court said, the grand jury
foul don't really contain anything but what an agent said

(02:42:22):
and he had no proof of what he said. But
what's so significant to that finding is what the judge said.
The judge said, the administration have more information, more names,
and all they can do is release that grand jury testimony,
by his very nature, is supposed to be kept secret.
Grand jury testimony is not supposed to be released to
the public, and the judge said, this administration knows that,

(02:42:45):
So that's a distracting distraction technique. If you read the
opinion of the judge, it was pretty strong. He said,
that's pretty much a distraction technique, right and hold.

Speaker 1 (02:42:53):
Up thought r like that.

Speaker 3 (02:42:54):
But we got to take a quick break here. This
is interesting. I'll let you finish your thought. On the
other side. Seventeen minutes after the top of the family,
I guess this former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers. You
like to speak him, reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take all your phone calls.

Speaker 2 (02:43:10):
Next.

Speaker 1 (02:43:16):

Speaker 3 (02:43:39):
Thank Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting your Thursday with
us this morning. I guess is doctor tyrone Powers, Doctor Powers.
It's a former FBI agent. And before we left, we
was talking about the Epstein file. Said doctor Powers, I'll
let you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 9 (02:43:51):
Yeah. So the court said yesterday, because the distraction technique
was that disadministration petitioned to court to release the grand
jury files from the Epstein case, and the court came
back and said, first of all, you already know the
grand jury testimony is secret testimony. So you're asking us
to alter the system to release testimony from the grand

(02:44:15):
jury relating to this particular matter. Judge in New York
had already denied it. This is a judge in another state.
And then the judge said something I think that goes
to what you've been saying about the distraction techniques, whether
it's putting the National Guards on the streets of DC
and the other stories that they're putting out there. The
judge said, in reality, the grand jury testimony only consists

(02:44:40):
of an FBI agent giving his opinion on the case
and analyzing phone laws. He said, Instead of the Department
of Justice in this administration asking for the release of
the grand jury testimony, why don't you just release what
you have, because then it wouldn't be illegal. We have
much more that is in the grand jury file. So

(02:45:03):
to make this request and have me deny this just
to say to the public, see, we tried to get
a released, he said. Just release the files you have,
he said, because what you have consist of so much
more than what's in the grand jury testimony. One two,
it doesn't ask us to alter the system in terms
of releasing secret testimony when grand juries are supposed to

(02:45:24):
be secret and secret testimony. And three, what you have
will lay out the entire case, because what you have
in your possession, which you said you were released when
you were running, is the whole vote of everyone that
was involved in this Epstein matter in any form or fashion.
So to ask us to do that, to have the

(02:45:46):
US Attorney go through this pretent of asking us to
do this is a distraction technique. And the judge pretty
much wrote that in his ruling. He was saying, why
are you even doing this except the trick the people.
Just release what you have and then we can we
can begin to analyze this or the public can't see

(02:46:09):
it without you going through and having us restructure the
entire criminal justice system by releasing grand jury testimony. And
once we do that, once we release secret grand jury testimony,
who in the world is going to want to testify
in front of a grand jury? Again, recognizing that what
used to be secret testimony can be overcome by an

(02:46:31):
administration saying undo the system and release what you're not
supposed to release by eating so he said it was
essentially a distraction technique and that they should release what
they have because it's extremely disturbing, but it's more comprehensive
than anything they could get from grand jury testimony. So

(02:46:51):
you will probably have the administration saying, see, we tried
to get the grand jury files released on the Epstein case,
and the courts denied us, but they won't take you
what the judge said that there's nothing in here that
you don't already have that you couldn't release on your
own without even coming to the court.

Speaker 3 (02:47:11):
Well, let me ask you this, doctor powers, do you
think we'll ever see the Epstein files?

Speaker 9 (02:47:16):
I don't think we'll see it in this administration. You know,
the reality of the matter is just like there are
people in those particular files who are both Democrat, Republicans
and otherwise who are involved in this particular behavior. We've
talked about this before when you had Maya Lansky, who
headed the crime Synegate, was in Cuba and he was

(02:47:38):
inviting politicians down to Cuba to deflower fourteen year old
Cuban girls before the Cuban Revolution. The people who went
down there to have sex with fourteen year olds involved
the Kennedy's, the Nixon's, both Democrat and Republicans from the
United States, grown ass men going to Cuba to have
sex with fourteen year old girls. So if they were

(02:47:59):
doing even during the nineteen sixty molesting these underage girls
in Cuba, which you know, the Cuba Revolution wasn't a
communist revolution, it was a popular revolution which later became communists.
If they were doing that in the nineteen sixties, you
can only imagine within these particular files, and there's no advantage,

(02:48:21):
to be quite frank with you, for Democrats or Republicans
to want it release, which is probably why it wasn't
released under the Biden administration, because there's a lot of
perversion in the halls of government, and the very people
who are preaching to us about morals, ethics, and crime
and crime reduction are probably have participated in these activities,

(02:48:46):
and that's probably in those files. That's why you can
have an assistant director of the FBI say these files
are disturbing, probably because he got daughters and children.

Speaker 3 (02:48:56):
He saw the files and it was ready to quit so.

Speaker 9 (02:48:59):
Some until they made them an off he couldn't refuse it.
I just want to to understand, and I can actually
say this from working in that particular agency. Decisions are
not always made because they are expedient, expedient more or right.
Sometimes they're made because the people telling you to make
that decision are not just telling you, but they're threatening you.

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And some people are strong enough to stand up the
threats and but most people, especially people in government or
who have been in government, are not willing to do that.
I told you Spiro Agnew got a threat from the
President himself. And people can go online and see the book.
It's out of print, but you can get prints of
it called go Quietly or Spurial or Agnew who is

(02:49:44):
the vice president who said the President of the United
States threatening to hate me and my family, and he
wrote the book called go Quietly or Else. So a
lot of times when we see these decisions being made,
they're not being and it looks like they're being made
by choice. They're being made by four. Like I said
we talked earlier, when Trump set around that table or
invite those European leaders through the White House, he's threatened

(02:50:07):
them financially, he's threatening their leadership, he's threatening their economy,
and if their economy doesn't go right, they will no
longer be in power. He's not asking them for a cooperation.
He believes that the United States is the most powerful
nation in the world, and whether it's right or wrong,
more or ethical, that if he and his dictator, in

(02:50:27):
his position is dictator of an empire, tells people to
do it, then then they should simply do it. And
that's how it works in reality, not how we want
it to work. We should be moving towards a point
where it works the way we wanted to work. But
in order to get there we have to analyze, read, study,

(02:50:48):
and understand how it is working. So we know what
we're seeing. So we have a proper strategy. And that's
just the rhetorical strategy for changing things.

Speaker 3 (02:50:58):
Got you thirty minutes After's how they are found link
Doctor Tyron Powers is I guess he's a former FBI agent.
He talked about books. He's got a book out called
Well it's been there for a while, iesed to my showl,
The Rise or Decline of a Black FBI Agent. That's
the title of the book. And before he goes, he'll
tell you how you can get a copy. He's not
here to sell a book, by the way, I just
think you guys should read the book eight hundred four

(02:51:19):
or five zero seventy eight to seventy six TMS in
DC's on line four TM your question for doctor Powers.

Speaker 15 (02:51:26):
Yes, classic, classic explanation about those those files.

Speaker 10 (02:51:37):
Brother, you're cooking.

Speaker 15 (02:51:38):
Also, I wanted to say, man, we saw you on
one of these earlier morning shows. They gave you a
second and a half and I will say which morning
show it was and sporting the bald head.

Speaker 6 (02:51:51):
Uh so bald Moorings?

Speaker 15 (02:51:52):
No you know that? Would you though? But let me
just say this, man, you mentioned something about well, let
me say this, noble your organization. I want you to
answer this question in terms of what you all are
doing right now, in terms of what's going on in
d C and the potential for it to happen other places,
in terms of you know, the army being in Washington,

(02:52:17):
d C. That's the first question. A second question is
about the Civil War thing?

Speaker 12 (02:52:22):
What what what side would Obama be on?

Speaker 6 (02:52:25):
Mother was?

Speaker 9 (02:52:26):
What?

Speaker 15 (02:52:27):
White?

Speaker 10 (02:52:27):
Father was black?

Speaker 15 (02:52:29):
Okay? And one throw that out there at you. Now,
the Atlanta University of Criminal Justice Institute down Atlanta's order,
can you tell me that still exists? And I think
they're the persons who founded a noble I know that's
a lot at you and does such the call still exist.
I'm thought a lot at you, but I appreciate your

(02:52:49):
common churns outstanding as usual. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:52:53):
Thank you to you. And doctor Powells explained what Noble
is for some of the folks that don't know.

Speaker 9 (02:52:58):
Yeah, I'm not to be honest with you, I'm not
an I attend some of their conferences and I've been
I've spoke at their conferences and giving workshops, but I'm
not an active member right now. Now's a national organization
of black law enforcement executives, and extensively what has happened
in this particular nation is that whenever we've had policing issues,
we've gone to the University of Maryland, or the University

(02:53:22):
of Wisconsin, or the University of Beete, Montana to get
recommendations and solutions, or we've gone to PERTH, which is
the Police Executive Research Form or the International Association of
the Chiefs the Police to get solutions for issues that
were really involving urban areas.

Speaker 6 (02:53:41):
And so this.

Speaker 9 (02:53:42):
Organization, a national organization of Black law enforcement executives, is
supposed to have the leaders in black law enforcement, whether
they're chiefs or commanders or lieutenants or FBI agents and
executive positions to say that we need to come up
with our own solutions. We since you are in cold
talking about us when you talk about going after juveniles

(02:54:06):
or going after crime and code, we too want to
dramatically reduce crime in our communities. But we are the experts,
and not only policing in terms of how to dramatically
reduce crime in general, but we are the experts in
our community. So Noble is the organization it's supposed to
often alternative with some concrete solutions to dramatically reducing crime,

(02:54:29):
protecting the citizens outside of this mess by bringing in
the National Guards who are not even equipped or prepared
to do that. I don't even know what the laws
of DC are. But this organization that was supposed to
be they, in my opinion, and I have a lot
of friends in Noble, they've been too silent. And the

(02:54:49):
last confidences I went to, I said, while you having
the workshops you are having when we were in crisis mode, see,
when you're in crisis mode, you may have this same mission,
but your strategy has to indicate the where there's exigence
circumstances and we're in crisis mode. So you should be
out front. You should be being interviewed by Carl Nelson.

(02:55:12):
You should be on every media outlet. You're the national
organization of black law enforcement executives, not only recognized in
this country but around the world in these particular issues.
But you're gonna have to force yourself into the place
your conference this year, wherever it's being held, to focus
on the issues being faced by people of color in

(02:55:36):
the communities across the nation. Not to excuse behavior, but
to come up with concrete solutions that doesn't make the
people victims and victimizers. That's what Noble should be doing.
And I don't know if they're doing that now. If
I was in a leadership position in that organization, I
need to see your next conference and your workshop schedule.

(02:55:58):
Address every one in these issues that we're addressing on
a call Nelson.

Speaker 17 (02:56:02):
So, but not just with.

Speaker 9 (02:56:03):
Rhetoric, but with solutions. Because you are the experts. People
should be coming to you, not going to University of
Maryland some professor there or some statisician at some other
university or at John Hopkins University Center for US and Violence.
We should have a Center for a Balance Reduction, at Morgan,
at Topping, at Spelman, at more House, at all the HBCUs.

(02:56:27):
We are the experts of our own people. And because
people work so hard so that we could become the experts,
so we could get the education, so we could go
into these agencies we owe. It should be a reciprocal relationship.
We should be bringing that back to the people who
paid the way for us to get there, to bring
this information back to us with concrete solutions, not just rhetoric,

(02:56:49):
not name calling, because we're very good at that. I
think we played the Dozens better than the Rappers. Dude,
when they go in these battle raps. We don't need
people don't need that. And the just spoke of you
know which side of Barack Obama. Barack Obama is an individual,
it's the system. It's the process that we need to
counter because sooner or later, death is undefeated. All of

(02:57:13):
us are going to die. We need to put things
in place. We may critique Barack Obama in this administration,
but we're critiquing them so that we can do better
in the future, should we get another black president, or
so we can critique systems so that we don't have
a president who duplicates the activities of white presidents by
bombing all these black nations and killing Mamatha Doby, who

(02:57:36):
supported to A and C. We need to say, Okay,
this is where he went wrong, so we can create
critique the process, so we can change the system rather
than focused on the personality. But we're personality driven. I
get that the reality television shows, the rappers that go
after each other, the entertainment they give us at halftime
have made us personality driven rather than changing systems, and

(02:57:58):
teaching our young people to change systems rather than pull
his own personality right.

Speaker 3 (02:58:03):
And I hold that though right there. I'm glad you
mentioned that, because this is what Dr Welson and Nearly
Full of being teaching us about the system. It's the
system of racism, white supremacy. People get hung up on
white supremacy instead of the system. And that's what she's
been trying to tell us, and Nearly Full of all
it tell us they stay on code because they have
a system. Family. It's the same thing that doctor Powers
is telling us right now. I hope you get understanding

(02:58:25):
what this education and getting this morning, twenty four minutes
away from the top. There, our folks, we go to
take our last break and we come back there. I've
got some more folks want to talk to doctor Tyren Powers.
You can reach them at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll ticket calls next

(02:58:59):
and grind rising family faction rolling with us on this
Thursday morning. This is the twenty first day of August
to twenty twenty five. I guess is a former FBI agent,
doctor Tyrone Powers. Before we go back to doctor Powers,
let me just remind you coming up Tomorrow's Friday, we're
going to give you another chance to free your mind
and all that again I mentioned is just to think
for yourself. Reach out to us. Start at six am
Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB.

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as well. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight,
seventy six. Brother Jasons checking in from Baltimore's online three
Grand Rising, Brother Jason, you're on with doctor Powers.

Speaker 18 (02:59:44):
Grand Rising Dean Nelson, and thank you for the opportunity,
and thank you to doctor Hughes for the opportunity as well.

Speaker 9 (02:59:50):
Dot.

Speaker 18 (02:59:52):
Doctor Powers. First of all, I appreciate your work, and
there's something that I've identified and I just want to
see if you and clarify this for me. But there
seems to be an intra racial ideological divide. And I
mean I n p R a intra there's also an
inter racial ideological divide. I n t e R divide.

(03:00:19):
And what I mean is is like, for instance, I'm
an independent and I didn't hesitate to you know, acknowledge
that I voted for Jill Stein, but I was attacked
for that. We look at folks like Tim Scott and
we say, well, how can Tim Scott be a MAGA
and be you know, a part of the perpetuating oppression

(03:00:41):
in this country. They look at like Tim Scott and
them look at people like Mayor Bowser and Mayor of
Scott who people are classifying as progressive, and they look
at that as a condemnation against them, and they attack
them based on their ideological.

Speaker 6 (03:01:00):
Opinions.

Speaker 18 (03:01:02):
What can we do to address this? Because I know
we're not going to be modelithic people, but we're not
respectful anymore that that seems to be lost in this
intraracial ideological divide. And in the intraracial ideological divide, you see,
white folks are now embolden in many cases the attack
on de I, the attack on affirmative action and things.

(03:01:25):
White folks are empowered, uh to have this racial ideological
divide against us under this current administration. And then there's
the the data. We see what's going on in d
C with this investigation, And this is something I really
wanted to talk to you about, doctor Powers. Is the data,
you know? Could the data be manipulated?

Speaker 6 (03:01:46):
You know?

Speaker 18 (03:01:47):
Are these mayors manipulating the data?

Speaker 14 (03:01:50):
You know?

Speaker 18 (03:01:50):
And and and you know, I don't think that that
could be a plausible case, but I can't rule out
that there may be certain things at a classified raw
you know, under certain crime stats and stuff. But is there,
you know, such egregious abuse of power that these administrations

(03:02:11):
are fudging the numbers in order to look good, don't
I don't think that's one hundred percent plausible, and could
you explain that to us in some way?

Speaker 17 (03:02:20):
Yeah, let me I know, we got it.

Speaker 15 (03:02:22):
We run down.

Speaker 9 (03:02:23):
You gave me a lot there. But let me let
me start with your last thing first. In the nineteen thirties,
the International Association of the Chiefs the Police asked the
Congress to create what is now known as the Uniform
Crime Reports, which is the statistics and the data put
together by the FBI. Every police agency in the United
States to get federal funds are required to submit some

(03:02:45):
data to the FBI, and they put this is not
the FBI's book. They compile the data. Every since the
nineteen thirties and the Uniform Crime Reports have been published,
every single city at some point point have either inflated
or deflated their numbers. This is not a new thing.
It's funny we're talking about it now because I've been

(03:03:06):
teaching it in criminal justice classes for the last thirty years.
So much so that we came up with another measure
called the Victimization Survey, where people went right to the victims.

Speaker 16 (03:03:16):
The city of.

Speaker 9 (03:03:16):
Pittsburgh budged their numbers for a while, so much so
that the FBI refused to report their numbers. Other cities
have done it, but this has been done since the
nineteen thirty. Sometimes they inflate their numbers. For example, when
President Clinton doing his administration, decided that he was going
to increase the number of police officers on the street
to the city by one hundred thousand, which was another

(03:03:38):
distraction technique because that meant that based on the number
of police departments in this country, each police department was
going to get two new police officers, which was not
going to dramatically reduce crime. But the number one hundred
thousand sounds a lot coming from DC when in reality
they divided it upon the departments. So they've all always
have always played with the numbers that reported to the FBI.

(03:04:01):
So when you wanted more money from the federal government,
to report it higher crime. Because during the Johnson administration
and the administrations that come out with lead law enforcement
assistance programs, if you had more crime, you got more money.
So sometimes crime numbers were inflated. At other times they

(03:04:21):
were deflated for political purposes. I've said this numerous times
on the air. In this city that we're in for
a while, we practiced political policing politicians decide that they're
going to increase and decrease the numbers based on when
the election is coming up. That is not a new thing.
The allegation of making all this noise about it now
and opening up the Department of Justice investigations, it's plain silliness.

(03:04:44):
If you know the history of the uniform Crime Reports
and how it came into existence to the International Association
of Chiefs of Police, it's just a distraction technique. I'm
not suggesting to you that numbers are not inflated or deflated.
I'm telling you that the FBI have always reported that
that was problematic, and again the scholars, the people who
teach this have said it was a problem so much

(03:05:06):
so that they came up with another device maybe forty
years ago called the Victimization Survey, whom they went straight
to the victims and began to survey them as to
the level of crimes in and out their communities. That's
an issue that they're just highlighting down for the purposes
of political expediency. In terms of the ideology, what you

(03:05:28):
discussed in the beginning, You know, I've always been I mean,
I go into my classes, when I teach my classes
when students ask me and my Democrat, Republican or independent,
I said, I vote. I say exactly what the student
of the Honorable latch Mohamad Malcolm X said. He said,
I'm not a Democrat or a Republican and got sense
enough to know it. I'm not an elephant or a
jack ad. I vote my interest and I don't vote party. Now,

(03:05:51):
you can be either one in your mind. You can
select any party that you want to on your paperwork.
But the key for us is to vote our interests.
In order to vote your interest, you have to know
your interest, which is why all of these people have
said that educated voters what knowing this history is so
important for us to beginning to teach at three K

(03:06:13):
and through kindergarten and so on and so forth, because
people will innately and intuitively vote their interests despite party
affiliation and name if they understand how voting one way
or the other is counter to the interest. It go
right back to the Hoonnove Elijah Muhamma clean and dirty
glass issue. We're caught up in these battles, name calling

(03:06:33):
battles going back. I don't get caught up in them.
I don't care what people call me as you know,
or as my mother used to say, it's not what
people call you, is what your answer to I don't
even have time to put energy into that. Focus on
the missue, Focus on changing our condition in our situation
at ground zero as the education system, because that's the
greatest crime reduction agency in the history of this nation.

(03:06:54):
Is education, as all our leaders have said all the
way back to book at you, Washington and and w
Eb the boys and any of them you want to
talk about the world over patres Lamuma Farmer and the
rumor all over the world has set. Education is at
the foundation. Focus on that and have thick skin and
stay on this.

Speaker 3 (03:07:14):
Well said ten away from the top hour as we're
racing the clock with doctor Tyrol on Powers Carls and
West Palm Beach in Florida, or call you a question
for doctor Powers, grind Rising.

Speaker 16 (03:07:24):
Brother Grand Residence, the Doctor Powers. We very seldom hear
people talk about education to the degree that you've shared
with us today, and we understand as a result of
Cortegey Wilson, the weaponization of education. But my question to you,
do you believe that we should pay young people? I

(03:07:44):
believe we should pay people in middle school and high
school and in the collegiate level to learn the course
of study about us that you are offering like County
tail pro and other things. Do you know of any
resources that are being accumulated to help us and to
help your self in the direction of leading our people
toward a real proper education. Do you know of any

(03:08:05):
of that than.

Speaker 6 (03:08:09):
You?

Speaker 9 (03:08:09):
Would you deal?

Speaker 16 (03:08:10):
Would you dig deeper into the idea of what you
expressed about education really being the things, because that's the
war that we're against, the wars for our minds.

Speaker 9 (03:08:20):
But that is that is ground zero. That's why doing slavery,
they forbid us to read and write. They would cut
your feet off, burn your eyes out if it. Because
because if Frederick Douglas said, and it's hard to make
a slave of under an educated person. He was talking
about from from from K through twelve, Like I said,
there shouldn't be an organization or a church in Baltimore City.

(03:08:43):
There's logically two thousand churches and the two thousand liquor stores.
The liquor stores are winning out over the churches. The
spirits coming out of the liquor store. If every single
church sent one person to the school board meeting, we
would know that education is a priority. That means you
would have two thousand people. Just send one of your congregates,
just one of them, we will have two thousand people.

(03:09:06):
And if we did that across the nation and the
education will be the foundations. The reason why you see
these moves to banned books, to the control education Paul
Pott did in Cambodia and the killing fields. He killed
all the educated people because the uneducated and ignorant people
to work and let them argue about reality television shows.
Because you know, educated people learns on focus on that.

(03:09:28):
They were going to focus on educating their children because
they understood how they could counter you is to understand
what you are doing and how you are doing it.
I've said this a hundred times, and Geronio Pratt said
it first. I want to give him his proper credit.

Speaker 10 (03:09:44):
Rest is soul.

Speaker 9 (03:09:45):
He said that there's not an HBCU and it's general education.
Before you graduate, you have to take a course in
co and telpro. You know, Jewish people will always take
a course in the Holocaust. They will not let you
forget about that. NETFLA the Holocaust Museum have over the
door when you go into it, and you should tell
your children and your children's children. Gelono prit says, unless

(03:10:09):
every HBCU in this nation have a requirement, I don't
care whether you're majoring in engineering, law, medical school, whatever
you're measure, you have to take that one course in
co intailpro because it will make you a different person,
even it'll make you a better doctor. So you want
to do what other doctors are doing in our health.
We're the most sickest people in this particular nation, and

(03:10:33):
we don't have enough doctors, and we're not giving our
children and sentive to become doctors because they can't relate
that to the struggle. That's all I'm saying. I've said
that to comping to Morgan, you've got to have a
course in coin tailpro. Just spellment to more. When I
went down to Clarke Atlanta University, I set to the
president down there it should be a requirement. It has

(03:10:54):
to be in the curriculum. But one of the professors
down there said to me, doctor, you have a better
chance of getting that course at the University of Michigan.
Because I went to speak at the University of Michigan
and Stanford university than you have here because we are
funded by whites, and if they try to introduce that
in curriculum, we're going to get pushedback. So I said, Okay,
if you can't by name introduce it into the curriculum,

(03:11:16):
please teach it in every single class. Please teach it
in every single class, because that education piece will change
our direction. It is the greatest counter intelligence or crime
reduction agency in the history of this nation for black
people as education. White people knew it, which is why

(03:11:37):
they had the Black Codes and forbid us to learn
to read and write doing slave because as long as
we couldn't read a write, or understand, or analyze or
have insight, they could keep us slave and could keep
us arguing with whether you are a jackass or an elephant,
whether you're an independent, or whether you or or could
have us argue the irrelevancy of voting that ignorance. They

(03:11:58):
knew if they could keep us there, so they could
give us a Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (03:12:05):
Unfortunately, that's what they did, stix away from the top.
They Sister Sheena's online too in Baltimore, just the Sheena
couldn't make it real quick for us with doctor powers.

Speaker 19 (03:12:17):
I'm here you can get a copy of the People's
Plan to dramatically reduced clients. Because the People's Planning Organization.
One of the things that I'm thankful to you, doctor Parker,
and bridget everyone, Doctor Barney, every one of our school
worked on this initiative, was that getting that water shut
off in Baltimore City school system that was land infested.

(03:12:39):
That helped sade many of our children's minds, and that
template can help those individual schools in the community organizing
to do the same with every initiative that we need
to counter.

Speaker 3 (03:12:52):
All right, did you hear the first product of the question,
doctor Powers?

Speaker 9 (03:12:55):
No, I didn't. She was, but she on I couldn't
hear the first.

Speaker 3 (03:12:58):
I didn't hear it either.

Speaker 6 (03:12:59):
Shea real quickly we get.

Speaker 19 (03:13:01):
A copy to oh well, yeah, of the of the
People's Plans to dramatically reduce climb in Baltimore's City was
the document that was drafted out of our organization.

Speaker 3 (03:13:13):
Right, all chance to respond racing the clockhead, doctor just
have to I have to have it on my compreater,
but I have to be printed.

Speaker 9 (03:13:21):
I'm sure that copies out there somewhere. I have to reprinted,
just like Judge Johnson's Grand Jury inquiry about drugs in
our city, which was a remarkably document. I have copies
of that too, but I think that should be distributed
to the community, so I work.

Speaker 6 (03:13:35):
On that, all right.

Speaker 3 (03:13:37):
And sister Sheena, we got to run. We just flat
out of time. You got a call earlier, Doctor Powers.
How can we get copies of your book? And I
mentioned you're not here to even tell you, but I think.

Speaker 9 (03:13:46):
Everyone's placed for African World Books. You can get it
online anywhere and you can also email me at Powers
at key Powers Consulting dot com.

Speaker 3 (03:13:56):
And the title, thank you for the.

Speaker 9 (03:13:59):
The title Oh Ads to My Soul, The Rise or
Decline of a Black FBI Agent.

Speaker 3 (03:14:06):
All right, thank you, doctor Powers.

Speaker 9 (03:14:08):
Thank thank you as always and we'll be talking call
on and off the air, and thank you for all
you do, and thank you for this communication. Continue you
and Kathy Hughes, thank.

Speaker 3 (03:14:18):
You for sharing this information. Learned a lot, you know,
it's all we're all about solutions, as you know, all
about learning. So thank you because you shared a lot
with us this morning. Family, that's it for the day.
Class is dismissed. As you stay strong, stay positive, please
please stay healthy, We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, or if
you're in the DMV, we're going to be on FM

(03:14:39):
ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. Your
information is power.

Speaker 20 (03:15:02):
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