Dr. Tyrone Powers Returns: FBI Agents in D.C., Epstein Files & Sinclair Skinner's Campaign

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nelson Shall you're with the most awesomes and Grand Rising family,

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and welcome to our special program, a Black August Conversation
now Black August is both.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
A month long commemoration and political tradition that began in
the seventies. It started in San Quentin State Prison in Californias,
who honored the live struggles and sacrifices of black freedom fighters.
It's also appeared for collective action, education and solidarity within
our community. For the next four hours, our distinguished guests
will offer calls to action that are relevant to our

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current situation. Our first guest is doctor Tyrone Powers, former
FBI agent and author. He's president and founder of the
Powers Consulting Group, chair of the Children's First Movement, chair
of the People's Plan to Reduce Crime in Baltimore City Dramatically,
and also the author of Eyes to My Soul, The
Rise or Decline of a Black FBI Agent. Grand Rising,

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Doctor Powers, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Good morning, Carl, Thank you for having me on, glad
to be with you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes, you're our lead off a person, doctor Powers, So
help us start off telling us what are some of
the things that you see that we need to be
doing going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, I'm consistent with this call, and I think it's
important for us all over the nations, maybe all over
the world, it's to focus on this issue of education
because when we deal with the issue of education, and
I'm going to get concrete with it, When we deal
with the issue of education, we're not only dealing with
the current issues, the current problems, but we are investing

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in the next generation. And not only are we investing
in the next generation, we're letting them know concretely and
specifically that we're investing in them. So in every city, state, nation,
a raw area, every location in this particular country, every organization,
no matter what they're focused, no matter what their mission
to be, ensuring that they have someone who are constantly

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engaging the school systems in which our students attend. If
it's sending someone because we always say that it's the
responsibility of the parents to make sure their child is
properly educated along with the school system, it's the responsibility
of the parents to check up on their children in school.
But we have to be honest. Not all of our
parents know how to parents. We have very young parents.

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We've had children for reasons that we hope to correct
through education. Have had trophy babies. They love having the baby,
they love dressing them up, they love posting them on
the various social media outlets, but they are not engaging
their life on a regular basis. For that particular reason,
we have to make sure that every every single organization

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have a representative at every single school board meeting. The
school board meetings in every city, state, county, or area
have to meet. They usually meet on a monthly basis
that may sometimes meet twice a month, or some of
them every other month. You have to have a representative there.
For a concrete example, in a city like Baltimore or
even Prince George's County in Baltimore, where the school board meets,

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if you had the organizations, not just in terms of
the churches, because the churches have always been a significant
part of Black progress, but if you had an organization,
then one member from each organization or one member from
each church, every school board meeting will have about two
thousand people there. No one could ignore that, not the
school board, not the superintendent, not the teachers. Secondly, along

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with making sure that we're there, making sure we're involved
in the policy of the schools, the practices of the
schools and the security of the schools. Secondly, making sure
that we are in the schools, have people it can
be retired, whatever their position is in life, and after
they get the security clearins. Because we don't want everyone
around our children in the school. We don't want chester

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the child left, and we don't want people who say
their parents are actually going in and selling drugs in
the school to our children. Because they are people in
our community. We know that we take advantage of that.
But once you have a clearance, then every community, every
organization have to send somebody through the school in their
area at least once or twice a day, and whether
that means just walking through the school, so the students

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can say, look, mister Johnson was in the building a day.
Because the students will never know how long mister Johnson
is there. If they see him in the building and
he walks from the top floor to the first floor,
for the first floor to the top floor and then
out the door, all they know is that some parents
from the community or some people from the community are
in the schools and mister Johnson's responsibility. The hypothetical mister

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Johnson's responsibility may only be a fifteen minute or twenty
minute commit in his walk through the school, and then
someone else we set his schedule, someone else then goes
through the school. We have the constant presence in the school,
not just to bring some peace and tranquility to the school,
that the students know that the citizens from the community,
the citizens from those organizations who have rhetorical conversations, the

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pastors from the churches, the well known pastors are walking
through the schools. We saw so and so at the school.
So they just don't know you on Sunday morning at
the church or through the church organization, but they see
the pastor whose churches in that vicinity or in close
proximity to the schools walking through the schools on a
set schedule. Whatever he or she can able can facilitate

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that they're walking through the schools. So students know that
it's not just rhetoric, it's not just sermons, it's not
just sayings, but the people who say they care about us,
who love us, who say they want better ford want
us to have better education, whether that education is academic
or in the trades. We actually see in the schools
the young people are from observation participation and demonstration, and

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not a whole lot of conversation. So if you are
rhetorically talking about increasing and enhancing and better educating the
young people, then they see you. You're in close proximity
to them. They see you walking through the schools every day.
Now and all of a sudden, your words have meaning.
The Bible say you will know them by their deeds,
not by their words, not by their rhetoric. But now

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there's a connection. These are concrete things that we can
put into place. We don't have to wait the next year.
We don't have to say the revolution is coming. We
don't have to say we got We could do this
almost immediately in our schools.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I've always said that.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
The greatest crime reduction agency in the history of this nation,
the greatest agency that can change our economic condition, can
change our home, our housing condition, whether it's relationships male
female relationships, or relationships in our home, or reduce domestic violence.

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The education system and the people who enslaved us knew that,
which is why they forbid us to read. Frederick Douglas said,
it is difficult to make a slave out of an
educated person. Mandela set of all the things that can
change our condition. Education is at the foundation. Malcolm X said,
the education is the thing that can change our future
because the people who prepare who controls them, all prepared

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for it today every family. Lou Hammer, who advocated for
schools alone, was advocating for voted, but voting but not
just advocating for voting, advocated for voter education.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
Doctor Carter G.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Woodson, the founder of Negro History Reek, who created Black
History months, if you control the man's thinking, you don't
have to worry about his action. He's talking about education.
If I control the thinking of the young people, but
I make sure they're properly prepared that I don't have
to worry about a crime and balance issue. I don't
have to worry about them abusing each other, and I
don't even have to worry about them making songs that
is derogatory two of each other because they're more highly educated.

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So not only do we have this Hunt Creek thing
that we can put in place right away, because the
rhetoric is great when people come on and say we
need to do this for me, I'm trying to tell
you these steps that we have so many community organizations
who are doing great work and all I'm asking is
to borrow one member from each organization to attend the
schools after getting the profit checks. All the churches we have,

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we have approximately two thousand in Baltimore City, but let's
say a thousand of those churches and set one member.
Some churches can send two members to every single school
board meeting. They can do a schedule the outreach ministry,
and they're sitting in those meetings. They're looking at the curriculum,
they're looking at the teachers that are being hired, they're
looking at they are cleared to sitting in a classroom

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during the day. For the ones who have time for
ten or fifteen minutes, they're sitting in the back of
the classroom. Because if we take control of that, as
Cartagey Whitson, the founder of Black history, must say, if
we control the children's thinking, we don't have to worry
about their actions. If we don't, it's been no matter
what we do to control their body. We can enhance
the coming of justice system, we can arrest more people,

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but if you don't change they're thinking and change their education,
and we will end up back here over and over
and over again. Elscott hearing the Great poet and musicians
said the first revolution is always a revolution of the mind.
And he's not just talking about changing it rhetorically. He's
talking about the education system. He said, change the way
people think, and you change the way they act, and

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you change the way a nation act. We could do that.
Then when we put people in political positions, they're coming
up with concrete solutions and alternatives when we'll offer something.
I spoke recently about the president battle between the governor
of Maryland and the President of the United States, and
what I've always said is that the governor and the mayor,

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when the president talks about sending in the National Guard,
they should say, look, you know, not just say no,
we don't want that, but offer a concrete alternative. Every
time we say no to something, we have to say,
but this will replace that. If you take something away,
you have to replace it with something else.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
And they say, look, what we do want.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Crime dramatically produce. Nobody in our community are interested in
increasing murders rates, robberies, best card jackings. But here's what
we will proposed. Send us to resource. Let's do a
violent crime task for us. Let's do it in cooperation
rather than in a takeover. So immediately, when he offers
something that is so drastic and extreme because of this

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narcissistic personality, then you offer a countermeasure, and the calend
measure can't say, guess be, we don't want to do that.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
The counter matter.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Message has to be what is the alternative? Well, this
is what we're already doing. Take credit for what you're
already doing. But here's what we can do with the
suggestion that you made. See our conversation. Our solutions have
to be strategic and they have to be concrete. They
can't be abstract. Our people are too they're tied now

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of abstract solutions, theoretical solutions.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
We should do this, we could do this.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Did this to us, They did that to Okay, So
now that we agree with that what you said is
absolutely it's true that we're not even disputing what you said.
So here, immediately, when you bring us a problem, bring
us a solution, and bring us a solution that everybody

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can be involved in, whether you have a PhD or
no degree. Grandma or granddad can walk through the school
one time during the day, they can go from one
in the school to the other, and then children will
be saying I saw your granddady was in school this morning,
or I saw your mother he was in the school
this morning, or I saw your past I saw the deacon,
I saw the missionary, I saw somebody from the mark,
I saw the ni They walked through the school this morning.

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If every single hour of the school day, the children,
instead of their conversation about seeing some celebrity, are saying
that I see these people walk through the school every
single school day of the year, it creates an idea
that beyond the rhetoric, there are people in the community
that are invested in the education of the children, and

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even teachers because let's be fair and let's be honest,
they should not be teaching in our schools. They don't
have theation, you don't have the connection with the to
change the lives to the children. We have children's schools
at the Brown versus the Board of Education. The problem
is the teachers that want them there. But they we're

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never gonna teach our children right. They were always gonna
get the advantages to the right students. You could. You
can force integration, but you can't force education. This goes
back that we've talked before, like Booker T. Washington at
the Tuskegee Institute, and he said, I don't really care
about integrating the schools. Bring me all the black children
and give me the money and resources. He said, integration
cannot create excellence. Excellence can create integration because I'm gonna

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bill a cadre of soul shot people are gonna be
so well educated that you're not gonna be able to
do without them. I'm not gonna have to ask you
to hire them. Your organization, your company, your corporation is
not going to be able to do without them. You're
not gonna be able to do without our entrepreneurship in
our products, in the community. So Booker T. Washington said,
and all things social we can be as separate as

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the thing is on the hand, he said, But once
I educate these young people, they're going to be like
the hand. You're going to need them to pick up anything.
So his focus, even back then when he created this
Tuskegee Institute and he wrote the book Up from Slavery,
was I don't need to sit next to on the
go to the same bathroom and sit and a toilet
next to you, because that's not going to help me

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get educated. When brown versus the Boid of Education came along.
We integrated the schools. We put children in situations where
the teachers hated them, and we didn't ask and Brown
versus the Board of Education to educate the teachers. We
asked to educate the students. So the teachers to be
extremely talented, dedicated, committed Black teachers who were teaching at

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all black schools before we moved towards integration of the
schools now was unemployed. The people who had the most
skills and cared the most about the children were now
unemployed because in Brown versus Board of Education, we didn't
ask for hiring of black teachers. We asked for the
integration of black students. So those teachers, the poems who

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cared the most about them were now out of a
job and out of the life of the people they
had just a week or two before or before the
movement towards integration took place for educating them. To this
education piece, having a concrete solution having tomorrow every church
in every city, every black church in every city, white church,

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if they want to join, should be working to send
people next week to the school board meeting. And because
I think Caul and we said this over and over again.
Don't bring us a problem with all their solution. Don't
tell us how bad things are. Don't have our people
leaving a radio program or a conversation wanting to go
to the bathroom to cut their risk. Tell them identify

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the problem. We know there's a problem, we know racism exists. Identified.
I'm not saying, don't talk about it, identified clearly and concretely.
And then in the next break the part two of
that saying, and here is the solution, and here's not
a solution that we have to wait ten years or
fifteen years ago do But Martin Luther King wrote a
book called Why We Can't Wait, and I'm saying the

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same thing.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
You can have short term solutions, immediate solutions, midtern solutions,
and permanent solutions. But the fact of the matter is
when people hear your voice or hear my voice, they're saying,
what can I do tonight? What can I do tomorrow morning?
And then I'll if I take one step, I'll take
the next. Everyone who wants to be a part of

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the solution concretely needs a little bit of success. If
pooring to that school getting their clearance, which is the
first step. They've already taken a step to being a
part of the solution walking through the hallway of the school.
That may take them ten or fifteen minutes. They're always
taking a step to be a part of it. Once
they get that feeling of success, because I'm not just
talking about it, I'm part of the solution, they'll want

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to do something else. You won't have to say to
the community, you should join this, you should come out
and do this. Once they do that minor step, that
thing that they can do very easily, and once they
have success with that and see that they can be
a part of the solution, then they'll be the next
part of the solution. A lot of times with that people.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Doctor Powers, hold that thought right there. We've got to
step aside for a few moments. I'll let you finish
your thought when we go back. Family. We're having a
Black August conversation this morning. This is on the anniversary
of the march on Washington. Two hundred and fifty thousand
people was on that march with doctor Martin Luther King.
He shared his dream with us this morning. Somebody expet's
going to share their dreams with us as well. So
I'll tell you what. Hangtag, we come back more with

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some more of our callers, some more scholars. I should
say that's next.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Thursday morning. We're having a Black August conversation
with some of our top scholars. Something should before the
break up. You know, sixty two years ago, doctor King
delivered his speech on high have a Dream speech in Washington.
Two hundred and fifty thousand people were there. Since then,
we've we've been devoided, you know of a roadmap where

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do we go from here? And this is what we've
assembled some of our top scholars to help us out
with that. Right now, you're here in doctor Tyren Palace.
You're coming up. You're gonna hear from people like doctor
Jerom Fox, Tony Brown, or doctor Edwin Nichols, Attorney La
Grand Clegg and more. So keep listening all morning long.
This is a Black August conversation, Doctor Powers. I'll let
you finish your thoughts, yes.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Sir, So once we concretely get people who we talk to,
we communicate with something to do wherever they are. You know,
book at your Washington said Listen, everyone can't go to Africa.
Everyone can't be in in this endeavor. That endeavor. So
what he's set and up from slavery is cast down

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your bucket where you are. And it's important for us
to articulate what people can do from where they are.
If they're people, if we're talking about this educational issue,
that will change the condition and the situation of our
people immediately, midterm and long term. That will put us
in a position to be in positions change the condition

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and the situation of our particular people. If you have
people who can't leave their home, then you can they
can be to call us. They can call into the
school board and say, okay, what is in the cafeteria
day at this local school. Once schools begin to hear that,
they begin to say, oh, look, people are interested in
the food, They're interested in the curriculum, they're interested in
what time the school is open, what time is closed,

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what time the PTA meeting is. So that people are
sitting home saying, well, doc, I can't leave my house.
I can't go up to the school and walk through
the school. But there are organizations that can. Like I said,
we have enough organizations, whatever their mission is that could
supply someone to do that.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
But for the.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
People who are sitting at home and say, I too,
even if I'm even if from a singer, I too
want to be a part of the solution. They can
be the callers. We can give them a list of questions,
a call and ask for Once the system sees and
once the people in the system see that this is
our focus and not only our focus in terms of
rhetoric and conversation and protests, because protests are important. Once

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they see that every single entity, every single organization, every
single church, when the pastor gets up on Sunday morning
before he opens his bible, or as he's opening his bible,
or in the mosque, when the Senate gone to talk
about that, the first thing they're talking about is the
education system and our in our cities, counties, for wherever

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our children are. Education has always been at the foundation
a positive change. Again, even the Enslavers new that if
we change, if we let these people learn to lead,
read and write, if they become educated, then they're going
to change their conditions. Everything else we say to our people,
whether we are brilliant scholars or teachers or radio show hosts,

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if they don't understand it. If we don't give them
something to do tonight, then tomorrow they'll come back for
another fix of radio conversation or of conversation. But it's
just a fix. It's say hi, it's they escape from reality.
What we have to do is make our conversation part
of their reality. So every problem that we talk about,

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we have to concretely give a solution, and that solution
has to be something that you can do, whether you employ, unemploy,
retire it. There's something that everyone can do. Again back
to girls got hurt. No one can do everything, but
everyone can do something, and it's incumbent upon us as scholars,
as educators to give people that thing they can do.

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What level level there. We have to have something to
do for the people or disabled, whether that's making phone
calls to people and the organizations that can go to
the school board meetings or the PTA meetings, the people
and the organizations they can have people set in the classroom,
the people and the organizations they can provide security for
our students in and out of school. The people and

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the organizations that can be involved in helping young parents
who don't know how to parnt like the New Jersey
Parenting Association did. They had an organization that says, we're
not gonna condemn people who don't know how to parent.
We're gonna teach them how to parent. Because, as Elijah
Muhammad said, don't teach, don't beat the people, teach the people.
If you keep beating them over the head and telling
them what they won't do, they're never gonna come tell

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to you. So you can tell them what they should do.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
You've got to you.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Identify the problem. Nothing's wrong with that. We say this
is what we're wrong, this is how it was done,
this is how we were wrong. And then immediately, immediately,
in that same conversation, not the next day or the
next week, you concretely come back and say this is
what we can do tonight, tomorrow, next week, in the
middle of next week to fix this particular problem. And
we get that methodology down and all things. So again,

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when the President come and say I'm sending the National
Guard to baltimolice say, look, we can use the money
that you are going to spend on sending the National
Guard to Baltimore, but why don't we do a valid
crime task for But we both can go after those
who are praying them to our community. But we don't
subjugate the ability and the expertise of our police department.
And at the same time, we work with you to

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go after the valid offenders, because if I do that,
then I make sure that as they go after the
valid offender, they're not going after the innocent people. And
I don't create a more of a distance between the
police and the community. I create a collaboration. Will take
your money, will take your help. We too want to
dramatically reduce crime. Because sometimes you have a divide in
the community. They can say I can't see why we

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can't come in and bring people in to reduce crime.
I'm living in fear. We don't want to say no
to that. We want to be involved in how we
do it, not just the fact that it needs to
be done. Because an automatic no is a know without
a concrete alternative. And as I've always said, anytime you
take something away, you have to replace it with something.
Anytime you offer people something, you have to have a

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mythology in which they can bring it about. Anytime you
say no, that is, you have to have an alternative
of this. Even without even with our children, anything you
retake from them, you have to replace it with something else,
because if you leave a hole, the bad people will
go into that position. So education from all of that.
You can read anything you want you about our ancestors,

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All of our ancestors, Marcus Garvey, Yanniboy, Lines, Your Muhammad Nobleali,
Frannie Lowhammer, Mary Macloverthune, Shirley Chisholm, every single one of
them said get this education right and people will start
coming up with their own solutions, or they will be
a part of the solution because it will make sense

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for them. Rhetorically, talking to them about scott and theoretical
and abstract solutions when they don't have the ability to
discern exactly what you want them to do, is just
making yourself feel good. It's a catharsis to tell people
what you know and how brilliant you are, or how
many events you attended or who you shook hands with,

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when it does nothing to change the condition of them
and their children and their children's children. I'll say this
last week, I've never even met a man or woman
who are addicted to drugs who didn't want better for
their children. They just don't know how to bring it about,
and in reality they can't bring it about. But if
you bring it about for them with their children and
their children's children, not only will you have the children

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and the children's children, even the attic or the person
who's addicted as they go get help, and that may
inspire them to go get help. Well, appreciate what you've
done concretely in their life rather than just telling them
to get all drugs. I gave a presentation at sing
seeing a guy over there were serving sixty years. He said, Doc,
I'm not getting out, he said, but here's the address

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of of the mother of my child and my children.
Can you go and make sure that my ch of
being properly educated. So even the individual who was in
prison for taking the life of someone else says, I
don't want my child to follow this footstep, and I'm
I don't have the power to go deal with my
child because I'm here. So what you can do to
be a part of the solution is go make sure

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my child get educated so he doesn't occupy the same
selle I am in twenty years later.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
So education is that that's pretty deep.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Dr Powis, thank you for sharing that story with us,
and thank you for participating in the special program this
Black August Conversation this morning.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Thank you for allowing. It's always the privilege and honor
to be on and please call. May God continue to
bless you to do this particular work. You're making this
significant different in the lives of so many, not only
present but into the future. And I'm so thankful for you.
I'm glad being to call you friend.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Well, thank you, and thank you for the kind words. Family.
You just joined us.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is thirty minutes after the top day out and we're
having a special program this morning. It's called a Black
Alli just the Black August Conversation, because you know, Black
August started back in California, back in the seventies. Started
actually Doctor Powers mentioned my prison start in San Quentin
State in prison to one of the live struggles and
sacrifices of black freedom fighters. It's also a period though,
for a collective action, education, solidarity within our community, and

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for the next four hours or some of our distinguished
guests or all of them will offer calls to action
that are relevant to our situation. As I mentioned earlier,
this is the anniversary of the March on Washington on
this date in six or two years ago, two hundred
and fifty thousand people heard doctor King delivered his Eye
have a Dream speech. With that he issued a roadmap
or what he would like to see for us. Since then,

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very sparsely we heard any of our leaders come and
do that. So what we're doing this morning is having
a conversation with some of our leaders, the ones that
you hear on the radio all the time here, and
they're going to share with us. You're going to hear
a lot from people still to come, like doctor Attorney
Lagrant Craig, doctor Taylor, Tony Browner, Professor James Small, all
going to be here this morning. Some more of the folks.
Is all right, Now, let's welcome doctor Ray Wimbush. He's

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the director of the Institute for Urban Research at Morgan
State University, has published four books. It's also an activist
known for his systems thinking approaches to understanding the impact
of racist and white supremacy on the global African community.
Dr Wimbush, Grand Rising Hotel, Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Grand Rising, Carl good to be here. Good to hear
doctor Powers as well.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
And for you, doctor Wimbush, what are some of the
issues that you think we should be thinking about, concerned
with as we move forward.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Well, you know, Carl years ago, Tony Morrison, our ancestor,
did a series of lectures at Harvard University, and she
compiled them in one of her smallest books called Playing
in the Dark, and she talked about and it was
subtitled Whiteness and the Literary Imagination, and she was talking

(27:57):
about the whole idea of the white gaze. You know,
what I've heard, you know, is when black people are
constantly thinking about what white people are doing rather than
what they should be doing. So over the past few weeks,
I've heard black folks and it's not a criticism. One

(28:19):
of my closest friends he's literally moving to Liberia. I've
heard people say they're going to move to Costa Rica
because of the white supremacists in the White House. Nothing
wrong with that, but I think before we do that,
we have to clear out our minds of the white gaze.

(28:41):
We have to quit thinking about what they are doing
to us. Not that we are like become dumb towards it,
but we have to start talking about what we are
to be doing. So what I did, I made out
a list a few years ago about fifty things that
black folk ought to be doing, and I'm going to

(29:02):
run through them, and it's not going to take an hour,
you know, a few minutes. If you have a if
you're a listener and you've got a pen or a pen,
you may want to jot these things down. I'm gonna
be posting them later on today on my Facebook page.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna go through some of these carls.

(29:22):
The first one, which I consider one of the primary things,
is to really really understand what our ancestor, Bob Neely
Fuller said. If you do not understand racism, white supremacy,
what it is and how it works, everything else that
you understand will only confuse you. You need to really
understand that. A lot of people. When mister Fuller said that,

(29:47):
I thought that he met the white people were superior.
He was always talking about the system of racism, white supremacy,
not the individual, but the system a white supremacy. So
it's not that white people are superior. When he talks
about the system of white supremacy is that it's a

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system that involves nine areas. The second one, you should
read at least thirty minutes a day, something about Africa.
Thirty minutes. It's all a one third one. Volunteer at
least four months, four hours per month in direct service
to Africa. Volunteer, coach of basketball games. Start a club,

(30:31):
chess club with young people, whatever. Number four. If you
are a member of a faith community, make sure it
is African center. And that's not just if you're a Christian,
but if you're a Jewish person, Black, Hebrew, Israelite, if
you're Musslim, make sure it is African centered. Number five,

(30:53):
make at least one trip in your lifetime to Africa.
We hear people saying we're going to go to pair
in London, and you know many of us have been there.
But make sure that on your list at least one
trip in your lifetime to Africa. Number six eat healthfully.
I could spend an hour just discussing that. Number seven.

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Read doctor Francis chris Wellsing's book The Ices Papers. Number
eight exercise daily, not monthly or weekly, but daily. Walk.
I've read article just a couple of days ago say
if you walk thirty minutes a day what they call
power walk, you will be healthy, a lower blood pressure

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and so forth. Number nine. Understand that ninety five percent
of Africans problems are due to us not being organized.
Talk about organizing within the black community. There's certain communities
in the United States that do that better than others.

(32:01):
I was a little disappointed when the Chicago mayor talked
about the white supremacist coming to Chicago with troops, which
is against the law. But we don't have time to
go into that. The Obama was absent, and again, you
know the mayor was there, the governor was there, but
you know where is Baraq. So we need to be

(32:24):
organized at every possible level. Number ten, Stop smoking and
tell people to stop smoking. Don't be ashamed of it.
Stop smoking. Number eleven. Read Your Ugu by doctor Marimba.
I need an excellent book. Number twelve. Drink at least

(32:45):
five glasses of water per day. It's a myth that
you have to drink eight glasses, but drink at least
five glasses of water every day. Number thirteen. Read the
philosophy and opinions of Marcus Garvey, whose birthday was this
month in Black August. Number fourteen. Learn the second language,

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preferably an African one. If I get lost in Ghana,
usually there is somebody there that not only speaks Tree,
which is a widespread language in Ghana, but they speak English.
Most Americans only know one language. You can learn Spanish,
but try to make one of the language. There's several

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languages in Africa. Try to learn one that is African.
Number fifteen. Understand that there are only three types of
people on Earth again quoting mister Fuller. There are white people,
there are non white people, and there are white supremacists.
Understand that number sixteen right there.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Doctor Gwen Bush got to step aside and get caught
up in the ladies news, trafficking weather in a different
City's family just waking up and joining us. And we're
having a special program this morning. It's called a b
August Conversation with some of our top scholars giving us
some ideas, some advice, what to do going forward. What
are your thoughts? Reach out to us tomorrow and give
us your thoughts. Right now, they're gonna step aside and

(34:11):
get caught up with the news trafficking railer and we
come back with Dr Ray Wimbush and grind Rising family.
Sixteen minutes away from the top there are We have
a special program this morning. It's called a Black August
conversation and many of you know what about black Hawk August.
But instead of looking back at all the historical things
that took place in our community in August, we're looking forward.
We've assembled some of our top scholars to join us

(34:32):
this morning to share with us what's some of the
things that we should be doing, some of the hurdles
that we're going to encounter, and how do we get
over them. This is what we want you to do.
Either take notes or if you miss any part of this,
just get a copy of the podcast. Right now, we're
speaking with doctor Ray Wimbush. He's the director of the
Institute for Urban Research at Research but upon Me at
Morgan State University. So doctor Wimbush has given us a

(34:52):
list of things that he thinks that we should be doing.
So Doctor weibersh, I'm gonna let you continue that giving
us that list, and.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
I'm gonna try to give it Carl without Number sixteen,
if possible, wear African clothing at least once per week.
Number seventeen. Your home should reflect that Africans live there.
If I walk in your home, I should know that
it is a black home. There should be black paintings, pictures, sculpture, furniture.

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It should reflect who you are as an African. Numbers eighteen.
Listen to John Coltrane's A Love Supreme at least twice
a year. Number nineteen. Do not refer to any African
music as old school. It is classical music. Number twenty

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Stop eating pork. Number twenty one. Engage in at least
one Pan African project consistently in your life. Donate books
to a school in Africa by malaria nets for children
in Africa, the number one killer of our children around
the world. Number twenty two. Pay yourself first by saving

(36:06):
at least thirty dollars a week and for twenty years,
and you will have thirty one thousand dollars. Number twenty
three up until the age of thirteen. You should have
your children read aloud to you for at least ten
minutes a day. Number twenty four. Only buy black dolls
for your children. Number twenty five. Learn to shoot a handgun,

(36:32):
a rifle, and an automatic weapon. We're halfway through. Number
twenty six. Sing at least ten minutes a day a
black song to yourself. Number twenty seven. Never waste your
mind it's terrible. Number twenty eight support African businesses, even

(36:53):
if it means going out of your way. Number twenty nine.
Celebrate African history three hundred and sixty five days a year.
Number thirty Read the biographies of our heroes and heroes.
Read about Ida b Wells, WB The Boys. There's excellent
biographies on the life of African people. Number thirty one.

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Perform at least one political act per month. I always
ask people, do you know who your congress person is?
Do you know who your council person is? Write down?
Do at least one political act per month. Number thirty two.
Organize a reading circle that reads one book a month.

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I spoke a few months ago to a reading circle
in New Jersey that had been going for over one
hundred years. And reading circles started right after the Civil War,
when our people who could read, we're teaching people who
could not read. It's still an excellent thing to do.
Number thirty three. Place map around your house, especially in

(38:03):
your children's room, so that they will have a broader
view of the world. Number thirty four. On at least
one night a week, turn TV and all social media
off and talk with your family. If you live alone,
read a book. Number thirty five form or join an

(38:24):
African centered gun club in your area. For example, in Dallas, Texas,
there's a Huey Newton gun club. Number thirty six. Listen
to Miles Davis's album Kind of Blue, the number one
selling album jazz album of all time at least twice
a year. Number thirty seven. Bank at a black owned bank. Again,

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getting your mind straight and not having the white gaze
hovering over you. Number thirty eight. Read WB the Boys
as the Souls of Black Folks in nineteen oh three.
Number thirty nine. Attempt to trace your genealogy back as
far as you can. I've been successful in tracing my

(39:10):
genealogy back to eighteen twenty seven, and I'm still trying
to go further back even than that. Number forty We're
almost done. If you trace your DNA use African ancestry
a black owned company. Number forty one. Read the book

(39:31):
by Ralph Wiley, What Black Folks Ought to Do Now.
Number forty two. Support by action and money reparations for
the European enslavement of Africans. Ask whatever organization you're in
a church the links of one of the Divine Nine.

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Always ask them, are we supporting Reparations. Number forty three.
Read and study Neelee Fuller's book An Independent Compensatory Code
System concept textbook, which we usually abbreviate the code. Number
forty four. If possible, send your children to an HBCU.

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Number forty five. Read Chancellor Williams's book The Destruction of
Black Civilization Number forty six. Have a place in your
house that honors your family and your ancestors. Should be
an ancestral place in your house where you have pictures, memorabilia,

(40:35):
and things that teach you to be continually connected to
your ancestors. Number forty seven. Listen to a variety of
African music that includes hip hop, jazz, blues, R and B, reggae,
and high life. Number forty eight. Read James Baldwin's book

(40:56):
The Fire Next Time. Number forty nine. Read Tony Morrison's
book Beloved, which is probably one of the best books
about the relationship between Black men and women. And last,
but not least, read The Book of the Coming forth
by Day, one of the oldest books in history. And

(41:17):
don't be fooled by his title the Egyptian Book of
the Dead. Read the Book of Coming forth by Day,
So Carl, that's my list, and I think most of
us are doing at least a few of them, and
I'm encouraging people to do all of them.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
All right, Dr Wimbush, Before we let you go, though,
is this what you talk Did you teach this to
your students or is this when you make speeches when
you speak out?

Speaker 5 (41:46):
No, I teach this, you know. I'm teaching of course,
this semester called Theories of Personality, which we go through
all these European theories of psychology, such as you know,
Sigma Foy, Carl Rogers, and so forth. But the textbook
I'm using, or the Ices are the two textbook I'm
using for the course are the Ices papers and Robert

(42:08):
Guthrie's magnificent Black history of psychology entitled Even the Rat
Was White. And I teach these fifty principles and have
the students memorize these principles, and students love it and
they've spread the word about it. So I'll make it
in speeches. But I also will teach this to my students.

(42:29):
And you know this is I'll be going into my
fifty second year of teaching higher education and proud of
many of the students that have graduated and gone on
to do great things.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, I got to ask you again. I ate away
from the top Aur family, just joining us. We're having
a special program. It's called Black August the conversation. What
we're doing is looking forward, and we have assembled some
of our top scholars that come on board and give
us some information what we can use. You know, years
ago with doctor ki Inglish and had I have a
dream speech and did it or sixty two years ago

(43:05):
two hundred and fifty thousand people. And since then we
haven't had many of our leaders come forth and say, hey,
this is what we need to be doing, this is
what we need. So what we did this morning is
some of our scholars and they put this together and
some of our top scholars, and you're gonna hear many
of them this morning with some advice. Well we could
do because doctor Weimbrish that talked about or it might

(43:27):
have been doctor Powers who talked about some people they're frustrated,
they don't know.

Speaker 7 (43:31):
What to do.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Some want to run, cut and run, you know, people
just moving out of the country because they don't have
any idea what to do. So this is why we
decided to have this conversation with some of our top scholars.
Because if you are confused and we seem to be
stuck inertia, Dr weibersh how can we get out of that?
What do we need to the prompt us to start
making some of the moves, some of them, do some

(43:53):
of the things that you mentioned moments ago.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Well, see, I.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Think a lot of us don't spend enough time out
about us. You know, we will look at the news,
nothing wrong with that, but we'll immerse ourselves in the
system of white supremacy. We'll listen to a Donald Trump's speech,
you know, we'll you know, and then again, we have

(44:17):
to be aware of the political situation around us all
the time, what's going on in DC right now, what
might be going on in my hometown right now of Baltimore.
But what we've got to do is immerse ourselves in
our own culture. You know, I've said before. You know,
we give our children vaccinations when they are young, you know,

(44:40):
but we need to give ourselves a cultural vaccination throughout
our lives. And we don't spend enough time spending time
with ourselves, either reading, joining an organization, creating organizations, or
being a part of a political movement. And I think

(45:01):
if we started doing this when you know, when African
people unite, they can do anything that they want, and
history proves that. But a lot of us spend more
time worrying about what white folks in the system of
white supremacy could do to us and has done to us,
rather than saying what can we do for ourselves?

Speaker 7 (45:25):
So basically you're saying we should be proactive.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
All the time with everything, and again we have to
be you know, I was listening to your news broadcasts
and you know, Mayor Bowser is praising you know what,
you know, the presidences of the National Guard and ice
in d C. And some city council people are criticizing
because I don't think we should be praising that at all.

(45:50):
So we've got to be proactive. I think, you know,
the mayor of Chicago, I know the mayor of Baltimore.
My mayor is more proactive about the potential of this
white supremacist, you know, moving the military into our cities,
and we have to look ahead us and say what

(46:11):
can we be doing now, not only to prevent that,
but what should we do if it does happen. Gotta
be proactive all the time, every day, all.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Right, Thank you, Dr Wimbersh, thank you for your thoughts
and thank you for joining this conversation. This is Black
August conversation with us this morning, and.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Thank you for your work. Girl, take care right.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
That's doctor Ray Wimbersch. Doctor Wimbush is the director of
the Institute for Urban Research at Morgan State University. He's
published four books and he's also an activist known for
his systems thinking approaches to understanding the impact of racism
white supremacy on the global African community. So before we're
still to come though, we're going to hear from a
Professor James Small, Chemtologist Tony Brownett, doctor Jermy Fox, doctor

(46:58):
Edwin Nichols, turn on the Grand Craig, doctor James Taylor,
just some of the folks that we decided to participate
with us this morning and help us, you know, get
to you and how do you give you some information
which you can use going forward as as the days
come by? All right, it's three minutes away from the
top of the step. Aside and get caught up in
the ladies trafficing weather in our different cities. But we'll

(47:19):
be back with doctor Professor Small and doctor Edwin Nichols.
That's going up next after the News.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
You're facing with the Most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.
You're facing with the Most submiss.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
And Grand Rising Family, and welcome to our special program.
It's called a Black August. The conversation, of course Black
August was actually is both a month long commemoration and
a political tradition that began back in the seventies. It
started the San Quentin State Prison to honor the lives,
struggles and sacrifices of black freedom fighters. But he's also
a period for collective action, education and solidarity within our community.

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And for the next few hours, our distinguished guest will
offer calls to action that are relevant to our current situation.
By the way, today is also the anniversary of the
million of the Great March on Washington, the two hundred
and fifty thousand people assembled on a marcher. Here, Doctor
King delivered his speech, I have a dream speech coming up.
Professor James Small. Professor Small as a scholar activist, he's
also a dynamic speaker an organizational consultant. He's recognized internationally

(48:46):
for his eye opening and dynamic presentations, which have causing
to be acknowledged as one of the most distinguished activist
scholars of our time. Currently, Professor Small is a chief
is the chief historical consultant for The Godfather, the Harlem
TV movie series Hotel. Professor Small, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 8 (49:05):
Hotep, Brother Carl. It's good to.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Be back, all right, Professor Small. Your thoughts on what
we should be doing going forward?

Speaker 9 (49:14):
Wow, has the biggest question in the nation right now.
And to me, it's hard and it's simple. We should
be doing what we were told by our elders. Doing
for ourselves what others are begging for is what Malcolm's

(49:35):
sister Ella used to say. Doing for ourselves is what
the honorably Lodgah Muhammad used to say. The aliable Marcus
Garvey that we must build the communities we live in.
Martin Delaney said, we must own the communities we live in.

(49:57):
And right now, when we look back at history, the
only time that we could say our community did well economically, politically,
and culturally was when we controlled the economics, the politics,

(50:18):
and culture where we live in the Wilmington, North Carolina
in the nineteen twenties at the turn of the twentieth.

Speaker 8 (50:27):
Century and.

Speaker 9 (50:32):
Tulsa, Oklahoma during the same period, and those Wood Florida
during the same period. And unfortunately those three communities just
three out of about fifty in Raleigh, North Carolina, in
the early twentieth century. When we own the communities we

(50:54):
live in, when we controlled the economic, politics and culture
where we live, there's still parts of the country. There's
parts of Maryland, and there's parts of Georgia that there's
parts of Illinois and other spaces even New York, where
we still own the communities we live in, you know,

(51:19):
and that's the key. I live in a community called
Rochelle Park in Rochelle, New York, just a small community,
seventy five homes in the community or one hundred homes
in the community, that seventy to seventy five is owned
by black people. When we control the businesses, which we

(51:39):
don't do in the community we live in, where we
provide ourselves through retail and the wholesale environment economically that
we live in, because then we can employ our children
and employ ourselves. You know, you've got to control land,

(51:59):
you've got to control labor, you've got to control resources.
So we instead of buying up the real estate in
the communities where we historically live. When we get the
means to do so, going to college, getting a decent job,
or opening a profession. The first thing we do is

(52:22):
move out of the black community, move in the communities
of other ethnic groups or upper middle class, and leave
our community to be gentrified by the working class and
the upper working class of the community that we move into.
And so we get these other ethnic groups, the new

(52:46):
immigrant groups and the ethnic European American groups, begin to
buy up the land, buy up the real estate where
we live, and they begin to open up the retail
and the wholesale businesses where we live. And we've spent
in the last few years a trillion plus dollars to

(53:10):
these other groups who control the economic, politics and culture
where we live. And we wonder why we are impoverished.
Were impoverished one because of growth ignorance about how local
politics work. We impoverished because growth ignorance about how economic work,

(53:37):
especially at the local level, the community level. We have
growth ignorance on how to use the political apparatus in
our community. That's a part of this political structure in

(53:59):
America and what state or city we live in.

Speaker 8 (54:03):
We are negligent.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
In attending and controlling our school board and educational apparatus.
We still leave the education of black children to non
black people who demonstrate every day racism and contempt at
almost all level for our people. And this goes for

(54:29):
the immigrants of color as well. There's racially abusive that
not more so than the European.

Speaker 8 (54:36):
American who we are accustomed to facing that sort of
racism from.

Speaker 9 (54:41):
And yet these are the elements that we've allowed to
take control of the retail and the wholesale in the
community we live in. Malcolm X says, during the day,
they take our money in our part of town, and
when the sun go down take that money to their

(55:01):
part of town. They collect the money in our part
of town, but they take it to their part of town,
but they don't collect it. We give it to them
voluntarily out of ignorance and understanding of how local economic works.
People sell their culture and their tradition to themselves. People

(55:22):
sell their food to themselves, People fell and to others.
People sell their clothing styles to themselves and to others.
People feel that furniture are types to themselves and.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
To others, But we don't do that. We buy others.

Speaker 9 (55:39):
When we are able to exert that kind of economic spending,
and so it is always the poor imparbishing the working
class who go to the street and struggle for change,
and it's rarely that class that gets to take advantage
of the change the struggle for especially to change around

(56:02):
getting higher education and better jobs and better opportunity to
be involved in politics. Those persons are the upper working class,
lower middle class, and upper middle class of our community.
And when they get control of these instruments in the community,
they do not.

Speaker 8 (56:20):
Use it for the most part. Some do, but for
the most part, and this is reflected across the country,
they do not use the.

Speaker 9 (56:28):
Instrument of politics for our general community. They use it
for themselves and their class or casts, and class and
cast is very brutal in our community, as demonstrated by
our own people. If we were to look at the
amount sororities and fraternities, we have. No other ethnic group

(56:51):
of America do That may be the white community, and
I use those organizations because that's when the cream of
your crop is supposed to be trained. That's the talented
test that W. B. D. Boys was talking about. But
the talent to test has abandoned the Black community, even
though they got the opportunity to beat the talent to

(57:12):
tenth from the poor and working class fighters in the
streets of the Black community. And so our ignorance of
things economic, ignorance of things politics, and especially in particularly
ignorance of our own history, ignorance of our ethnic history,
ignorance about racial history. That ignorance has allowed us to

(57:36):
rationalize having alliances economically, politically, and culturally with all other
ethnic groups, none of whom as groups have any alliances
with the Black community of any significance. And so while
we see the trauma going on in the national politics today,

(57:58):
which is basically American white Christian dominance, the white Christian
working class who's probably more ignorant than the black working
class when it comes to the human relationship. But that class,

(58:22):
because of the wealth of the white upper class, has
the power at the national political level as they control
the revenues that returns back to the community who paid
the tax to create the revenues. Remember, our government doesn't
have any businesses of its own. All of its income

(58:45):
comes from tax revenues. Whether you're taxing products coming into
the country or whether you're taxing your citizens, most of
your money is coming from taxing your citizen. That means
that's our money. But if you don't control the politics
at the local level in our community, how can we
set up the apparatus politically and economically necessary the fall

(59:10):
profits and the not for profits to return that capital
to our community to be used to employ our population.
Employed people, for the most part, do not commit crimes.
People who commit crimes for the most part are the
unemployed and the unemployable. Let me say that again. People

(59:32):
who commit crimes in our community for the most part
are the unemployed and the unemployable. And most of the
people in our community who's unemployed or unemployable with poorly
educated too terribly educated by ethnic groups for the most part,

(59:55):
who runs the education system that are not African Americans.
We talk about racism, we talk about ethnic abuse by
new populations, even populations of color that come to this country.
Yet those are the people that we allow, out of
ignorance and negligence, to take control of the education of

(01:00:19):
our children. And we wonder why our children cannot perform
at the same level as their children, and our lack
of involvement in the education system at the PTA level,
at the community board level, okay, at the board of

(01:00:40):
education level. Our lack of involvement, out of ignorance, have
allowed the education system to be dominant and dominated by
the same people that ran slavery in America, their descendants
that carry their cultural, political, and social attitude food of
racism and hatred towards African American people, whether overt or covert,

(01:01:06):
because the culture itself is fundamentally anti black, fundamentally anti African.
We see this with what's going on at the Smithsonian.
At the national level, we see this with a lot
of the people who have been laid off in the
government structure across the country has been an overwhelming number.

Speaker 8 (01:01:27):
Of Black people.

Speaker 9 (01:01:30):
And so what we should be doing now is trying
our best to get control of the economics, of the politics,
of the culture.

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
Where we live.

Speaker 9 (01:01:45):
And we can't do that unless we are able to
get through control of the land, the labor, and the
resources where we live. And we can't do that unless
the black middle and upper middle class returns to the
Black community, either in person or in investments. Let me

(01:02:09):
say that again, the black middle class have abandoned the
Black community. The black upper class has thoroughly abandoned Black community,
not just physically, but have abandoned in them ideologically, have
abandoned them culturally, and has become an ally of the
very community that we are now saying we are fighting

(01:02:31):
at the national level. We've been their allies. You know,
we live in their community. We run their corporations, and
we're not in there changing the corporations for the most part.
That those of us who do and get fired very shortly.
But for the most part, we run the racist corporate

(01:02:54):
structure in the same way the authentic American euro races
in the American corporate struction. When we get into the
school board system, when we get into the top of education,
we run it the way the racist American anti black
population have run it all along. Imagine going into a

(01:03:16):
black community. We're almost ninety percent of the students is black,
at least fifty forty the teachers the black. The community
is almost one hundred percent black, and they can't teach Black.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
History in this school.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
That's a professional ridiculous, right. I'll let you pick up that.
We're gonna step aside for a few moments. Seventeen minutes
after the top of our family just joining us, we
have me doing a special program this morning about black
August conversation, a conversation with some of our scholars who
you know, chart a roadmap for us as we go forward.
We know about the past, but what sho're we doing now?
This is what that's the task of they undertaking this morning,

(01:03:55):
and if you want to a comment, will discuss this
tomorrow on our open phone Friday program. But right now
I'm gonna step aside and come back more information from
Professor Small. That's next ground Rising Family. Twenty minutes after
the top, they are just joining us. We're doing a
special program Black August Conversation with some of our scholars,
you know, Black August. Instead of looking back on some
of the historic moments that took place in this month,

(01:04:15):
what we're doing is looking forward some of the things
that we can do. Speak to many of our folks.
What's going on is the question we asked, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
What do your thought? With thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Most people have none, have no hopes or dreams, don't
know what to do. Some people say I'm an cut
and run and some people have left the country. Some
people haven't figured out. We're just stuck in Ersia. And
that's why we assemble a group of some of our
scholars this morning to help us, you know, figure out
what's our next move. I always say, you know what's
the solution? What's our next move? Professor Small, I'll let

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you finish your thought.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
Yes, sir so, I was talking about education being essential.

Speaker 9 (01:04:55):
To produce the kind of working class that all community
needs and to grow and build institutions. And when you
look in our education, we our middle class. And I'm
putting this right on the back of the black upper class,
which is huge in America, the black middle class and
the black upper working class who have abandoned geographically abandoned

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most Black communities in America to move into other communities
because they're ignorant of how economic, politics and cultural work,
even though this is the most educated element of our class.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
And I'll leave that there.

Speaker 9 (01:05:33):
Really, when I say ignorant, I mean understanding that economic
is how you harvest the wealth and the environment you
in the urban America, the primary wealth in that environment
is three three levels retail were full retail, wholesale, control
of economics, you know, control of real estate, and harvesting

(01:05:56):
the tax revenue that is returned to the community for
harvesting the taxes revenue, Controlling the real estate in the community,
controlling the economic and the politics of back community.

Speaker 10 (01:06:08):
If you are not.

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
Doing that, you're doing that in another person's community, because
everybody does it. It depends on where you live and
where you do your investment. So when we say economics,
because I'm managing the wealth and the environment, you find
yourself in the retail, the wholesale, the tax revenue and
and and the real estate.

Speaker 8 (01:06:30):
In that community.

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
You know, And we're not doing that well in most
Black community because the class that does that is the
work is the middle class, the upper middle class, in
the upper class, and that class, especially the upper class
and the upper middle class, are virtually abandoned the Black
community economically, politically, and culturally for the most part, and

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they're investing in other communities rather than in the Black community.
And so when we come the culture, a major part
of culture is our religion. If we study the history
of America, we see that, especially even before the Civil
War in the AMI Church and the church that came

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into being many years before the AMI Church was the
African Baptist Church in Georgia and South Carolina. And it
was those instruments where black people was able to have
some sanctuary and privacy to organize themselves economic, politically, and culturally.

Speaker 8 (01:07:37):
The church was the only places we could do this.

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
And in the church we were able to organize with
our especially Prince Hall Fraternity and other fraternities and sororities
non college that developed early in our state in this
country in the seventeen hundred eighteen hundreds, we were able
to get control of land, We were able to use
our labor and resources on that land, and we were

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able to build multiple Black communities across America, not just
Black Wall Street that we know, but historically because of segregation,
ninety percent of our communities were almost one hundred percent black.
And in those communities we were able to build up wealth,
we were able to control that land, labor, and resources.

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And the degree to which we.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
Abandoned those designs during.

Speaker 9 (01:08:29):
The so called civil rights everds the degree to which
we have abandoned the progress and development of the Black community.
Now what the church gives you and today we have
I think seventy two percent of African Americans are Christian
and most of the rest are Muslims. And so when
we have these instruments on how to socialize your people's

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spiritually and culturally, but we're not united in doing it.
If you go to the White European Jewish community, ninety
percent of them is organized around the Jewish religion. If
you go to the East Indian community, the majority of

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them are organized around Hinduism and Buddhism.

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
There's a large.

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
Segment best muslim and Christians, but the majorities in doing Buddhism.
You go to Japanese, the majority is organized around well, forgot,
but they're ethnic religion. Same thing with the Chinese, organized
around the concepts of Confucian and Buddhism. And so when
you see a community that is glued together, the religion

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they're using represents that glue. The religion that they're using
give them their attitude of race or ethnicity. In our community, unfortunately,
since we're all seventy two percent, almost one hundred percent
are vested in the religion about we forgot how to transform.

(01:10:03):
That is our ancestors that in the nineteen hundreds and
early twentieth century we were able to transform the religious
designs of our enemy. Yes, Christianity was founded in Africa,
but the design that we were handed doing slavery and
after slavery was a European model and a European version,
but we were able to turn that into a Black

(01:10:25):
African model and use that church to help us economically, politically,
and culturally. And we saw some of the greatest development
between the end of slavery and the nineteen fifties. But
after the nineteen sixties, we saw a massive rapid decline

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when we shift into this concept that was called integration,
and we began to support the economic foundation of the
white American community and remove the support from the Black
American community, and the white community.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Did not.

Speaker 8 (01:11:03):
Did not do the same thing for us.

Speaker 9 (01:11:06):
When the integration concept went forward, White America did not
bring its capital to black business, but Black Americans took
its capital.

Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
To white business.

Speaker 9 (01:11:16):
Now, in the early centuries, much of the socialization, that's
how we get our values interests, in principle, happened in
the church where we spend our buildings for Christian worship.

Speaker 8 (01:11:30):
Yes, and so.

Speaker 9 (01:11:34):
We took the church not just as a sanctuary where
we can hide and be on African selves once a
week through our music and our dances and our rhythm,
but we also use the church to strategize economically, politically.

Speaker 8 (01:11:50):
And culturally.

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
And we did it in a safe, almost secret environment
from the rest of the ruling white community. Well, we
don't use the church like that anymore, unfortunately, and so
if we were to use and that's the tool we have,
I would much prefer us using a traditional African spiritual system.
But we're a long way from that. Very few of us,

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less than two percent of us, are practicing that tradition.
So we must use the African tradition, the former African
tradition that it's called Christianity, because the brand we are
using as not an African brand. The brand we are
using is a European brand that was designed and given
to the African.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
To suppress and oppress.

Speaker 9 (01:12:34):
But in the at the end of the twentieth century,
in the early late nineteenth century, we were able to
use that to our advantage. Right, how to do that again?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yes, sir, and thank you, thank you for sharing your
thoughts with us this morning. Professor Small, Thank you, sir.
It's Professor James Small. It's a scholar, activist and he's
also the chief historical consultant for The Godfather of Harlem
TV movie series. It's a great series to watch that
thirty minutes after the top of the family. Our next
guest happens to be doctor Edward Nichols, and you're just
checking in. We're doing a special program about Black August,

(01:13:09):
the Conversation about Black August. Instead of looking back on
all these starred things that took place in this month,
we were looking forward.

Speaker 7 (01:13:16):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
What's next for us? You know, on this day, doctor
Martinuther King delivered his Eye of a Dream speech at
March on Washington, and he outlined what his thoughts were
for Black America. Since then, we've been very, very scarce
anyone has come up with, Yeah, what's the plan? And
I said all the time, what's the plan? What's our move?
So that's why I've assemble some of our scholars this morning.

(01:13:37):
So if you don't get to here all of them,
you make sure you pick up a podcast copy. Our
next guest is doctor Edward Nichols. As I mentioned, he's
the founding director of Nichols Associates, Incorporated, an applied behavior
science firm that helps organizations successfully compete at the global marketplace.
It's also the author and a clinical and industrial psychologist
specializing in executive coaching and leadership with the focus on

(01:14:00):
enhancing systemic alignment into independencies, cohesion and organizational development. Doctor
Edwin Nichols, Grand Rising, Welcome back to the program, Doctor Nichols.
What are some of the things that you think that
we should be concerned with as we go forward.

Speaker 11 (01:14:16):
Good morning, Carl. It's very good to be able to
share concepts and ideas with you and with the radio audience.
I wanted to share with you the march toward fascism
that our country is experiencing, and I'm going to share
with you a collary between the rise of the Third

(01:14:40):
Rich that is the Nazi Party in Germany and what
we are beginning to see here. There are many people
that are very disturbed about the correlation between these two realities,
what occurred there and what has occurring here. Now, as always,

(01:15:02):
I want us to remember that when the African proverb
when two elephants fight, the grass gets trampled, And remember
that the fight that's going on in our country is
the left wing and the right wing. We're not in

(01:15:23):
that fight. We are the grass, and we have to
take our little piece of sod, roll it up and
put it on the side until after they get through fighting. Now,
because of the need for red meat to be fed
to number forty seven days. Blacks are sometimes thrown in

(01:15:52):
with different things to feed that base, because that bays
no matter how bad things are for them. If they
know and they are told that they are better than blacks,
that's all they need to hear. If they never really
vote in their own self interest, if it's going to
do anything to help black So I want to be

(01:16:16):
very clear that we understand that when two elephants fight,
the grass gets trampled. Many academic journalists and others have
discussed parallels between the rise of the Third Right of
the Nazi Party and acts and aspects of contemporary US
administrative policies. This presentation will provide you with German language

(01:16:41):
texts as a road map based on the information you
gather from TV, radio, printed media, your journey down the
rabbit hole begins.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Ah.

Speaker 11 (01:16:57):
One of the things that we need to be concerned
about are political violence and the paramilitarism. In Germany, there
was a group called Stumptailung and that was s stum
s an Uptilung or division or section is a so SA.

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The essays were the brown shirts. They wore brown uniforms
and we make a corollary between them and the Proud Boys.
Here the Essay acted as a paramilitary wing of the
Nazi Party, known for its intimidation tactics its street fights

(01:17:43):
against political opponents. The Proud Boys have been described as
a group that fosters and promotes polarization and violent. They
tried to undermine democratic processes, such as what happened during
the to January sixth capital attack and riot. Now they're

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one of the tactics that they use is intimidation and disruption.
The German SR actively disrupted the meetings and opposition parties
and intimidated minority groups like Jews and Romani, which are
the Gypsies. They don't call themselves that anymore derogatory, so

(01:18:38):
they're Romani. The Proud Boys likewise aim to disrought events
and activities associated with perceived adversaries, targeting groups like anti fascists, progressives,
and the LGTQ plus community. And then don't forget, it's

(01:19:03):
also our community too. Anti left wing ideology. Both the
s are tuts up tigl and the Proud Boys express
strong opposition to the political left. Yes, I fought against
communists and socialists, and in this country it's against the

(01:19:26):
proud boys in this country fight against and dismantle. They
are values, and they actively oppose groups. And one of
the what they do with us specifically is they are
part of the opposition against what they call woke and diversity,

(01:19:51):
equity and inclusion. Those are social movements for social adjustment,
and they're very active against those. The other is chauvinism
and traditionalism. The ASSI is provoted to the siroted A
nationalistic and authoritarian ideology, right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
And doctor Nichols hold out thought right there, we've got
to step aside and get caught up with the ladies, news,
traffic and whether or not different cities. It's twenty three
minutes away from the top. They our family doing a
special Black August conversation with some of our scholars. Ride
in the road map for us as we go ahead.
Instead of looking back in some of these storical moments
that took place in this month, we're going forward with
some of our great scholars. As I mentioned, we're speaking

(01:20:32):
with doctor Edward Nichols and he'll continue after this shortbreak.

Speaker 12 (01:20:37):
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Speaker 6 (01:20:54):

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for rolling with us on
this Thursday morning. We're doing a special program for you.
It's a Black August Conversation. But instead of looking back
on some of the historic events that took place in
this month, we're looking forward. What should we be doing?
You know a lot of times our folks are confused
when you asked them what about the future, They have
no idea what to do. Some people have picked up
and they've left the country. Some people are you know,

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investing in themselves or investing in US as a group.
In nineteen sixty three, two hundred and fifty thousand people
marched on Washington to demand civil rights legislation and economic justice.

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
They also asked for de segregation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
But what are we doing now? That was sixty two
years ago, So what are we doing now? This is
why we've assembled some of our top scholars to help
us out. So far, you've heard from doctor Tyrone Powers
and doctor Ray Wimbush, and also professor James Small. Right
now we're speaking with doctor Edwin Nichols. Doctor Nichols is
a clinical industrial psychologist doctor Nicholson, that you finish your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (01:22:13):
Good morning. I would like to you know, my assignment
was to show a corollary between the rise of fascism
or that way of thinking, and what's going on in
our country now. So I'll kind of go through those
and then I should have a moment or two to
talk answer some questions. So one is authoritarianism and the

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raetoric in the German system. It was Gebels who was
the Minister of Propaganda and his speeches and the thing
that is emphasized in those ways of thinking is that
you have to have a strong man narrative, and number
forty seven has been that. Forty seven has been that
strong man narrative. One of the strong man narratives is

(01:22:55):
protect the border and deport all the aliens. He has
been responsible for attacks on organization of institution. So you
have the attack on Harvard University, you have the destruction
an attack on the USA AID, and you have the
attack on the Smithsonian. Now who runs the Smithsonian? You

(01:23:20):
have to ask yourself, well, he's black, and what agency
is they are they going through to try to take
out and clean and purify. That's what Hitler did with
his third right to go through museums and take out
decade what they called his decadent art. In our case,

(01:23:40):
it's art. It's historical materials that talk too much about
slavery in the past. And then the other thing is
to demoralize the moralization of minority. And when you put
military troops into a city, you demoralize people. So we

(01:24:01):
have Washington, DC, Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles. And the corollary
here for us is to see that these cities have
all black mare. So that should make your ear listen
very carefully to the dog whistle that he is whistling

(01:24:21):
to his base that are unsatisfied. Now why and he
calls them a derogatory term like majority black cities crime infested.
You always have to listen to the language, and the
language is constantly denigrating, denigrating and showing substandards. And of

(01:24:44):
course you develop a cult of personality make America great again.
The use of emotional language, charged language, raality rallies, and
the maipulation of the media narrates to rally supporters and

(01:25:05):
to delegitimize opponents. And there are parallel Now let's see
what they talked about in Hitler course with the Jews. Well,
what we're talking about here are they eat dogs and cats?

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
What was that all about?

Speaker 11 (01:25:25):
They stole the election I won. They stole it from me,
and therefore do something about it. That's the message that's
being told to his base. Take over the Michigan State Capitol.
That's what the base did. Then you have nicknames that
two opponents to demonize them and to diminish them. You

(01:25:50):
also have charged differences in rhetic that rhetoric that lead
to violence. Now, you just had the Minnesota how speaker
Melissa Portmann and her husband were targeted and killed by
people who support one way thinking number forty seven and

(01:26:13):
this group, this poor woman and her husband did not,
and that leads to violent Others were wounded and attacked. Now,
the other thing is to have scapegoating and discrimination. In
the German literature, we have press unfunk infitten reich. Press

(01:26:34):
means the newspaper, bundfunk punk is radio. They didn't have
television at that time to the degree which we have
it now. In the third right, scapegoating of minority groups
is a societal problem. Now we are being scaled, escapegoaded
when we talk about woke diversity, equity, inclusion, because those

(01:26:59):
things took my job. That's what the base hears. Okay,
all right, there are only two sexes, male and female.
So if you are doing anything that I feel that
you support this, we cut off your fund. Now, the
purpose of cutting off funds, like with Harvard or like

(01:27:21):
over here in Virginia, you have the bathroom still being
they're giving credence to children who are undifferentiated in their
sexuality at this point, and as long as they keep
those bathrooms, they're being threatened with their funds being cut off.

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So the money is the vehicle by which the destruction
is taking place. That's the vehicle by which you can
change things. And you have to remember in the axiology
is the highest value lized of the object or the
acquisition of the objects, and that is the reality of
European existence. Takes that money from them, takes a funding

(01:28:04):
from them, and you get groups to do anything that you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Want them to do. All right.

Speaker 11 (01:28:09):
Rhetorican policies targeting immigrants and special identity groups are visible
incurrent politics, echoing historical patterns of prejudice and discrimination. Now,
previously you've heard why don't we as blacks get back
to what we need to do, pulling back to our
own communities. I'm all for that, and I applaud that,

(01:28:34):
but there are obstacles, which are the banks. If we
don't bank our money at the black banks, then there's
no money that can be loaned to open shops and
entrepreneur kinds of things in black community. Now, what has
happened when black communities are too successful, they're destroyed, you know,

(01:28:57):
Greenwood in other situations in which that is happened in
some of the other cities where you had sections of
the city like Detroit where blacks were owning stores and
what have you, you had rioting which destroyed the buildings.
And have Prince George's County was once the wealthiest black
county in the United States. The zip code or Prince

(01:29:22):
George's County has been seen, had seen the top federal
employees fired from their job. Look at that zip code
Tech County and on that first day, practically they lost
their job. Now it has become one of the poorest.

(01:29:45):
But you have a governor in Maryland, Governor west Moore,
and what he's doing is he's offering unemployed individuals into
the Maryland State Civil Service as many as he can play.
The United States has a strong democratic institution. The challenges

(01:30:08):
facing these institutions, such as polarization, disinformation, and the normalization
of political violence, are concerning issues that we really must
be clear on and understand.

Speaker 10 (01:30:23):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:30:23):
The other thing is law and order, and the German
concept to that is wretched gazette. The United States has
three branches of government. However, the president controls presently a
Congress and expects loyalty from the Supreme Court. There are

(01:30:48):
nine members to the Supreme Court, and five, from his perception,
owe him something because he has appointed too recently that
should always be on his side. The lower courts have
lost their authority in issuing a national hated used to
be that a court would say, you can't do this

(01:31:10):
all over the country, and now they're saying, why can
one small judge of the city say what can be
can't be done all over the country. The president wants it.
The United States military is not to be used against
American civilians. That's the law that's in our conquer and

(01:31:31):
our constitution. However, Los Angeles had marines on the street
and the Supreme Court said nothing about it. So is
their collusion, is their consent asked to consent? Is there

(01:31:53):
just getting by just by a sin icing of the
law in order to mid number forty seven to do
what he wanted to do. You also have the attack
on black women. Aaron Bath, the mayor of Los Angeles.
He's a cloak Federal Reserve governor. If you remember now,

(01:32:18):
Number forty seven is doing everything he can to demoralize
the defeat Governor Wes Moore. In the eyes of Marylanders.
Number forty seven has even gone so far as to
not give Maryland allocated funds or flood relieves. In the

(01:32:40):
white western Republican section of Maryland. Don't just think about that,
where you have the one Republican Congress verson where you
have the strongest Republican support. That's flooding over there, the
congress allocated money or flood But number forty seven so

(01:33:06):
angry at Governor Moore, he's willing to tell those people
that were loyal supporters, you're not going to get the money,
and they can't do anything about it. But here's here's
the sad part of it. When people know that it's
not in their best interest to vote, they will still

(01:33:28):
vote because if it will block somebody black, then do it? Okay,
Now what happens with us is blacks. And this is
what we have to be careful with our axiology is
that the highest value lies in the relationship. Highest value

(01:33:48):
lies in the relationship. And you perceive that someone has
treated you less than equal, that is being treated with disrespect.

Speaker 7 (01:33:57):
We all know, don't it right to hold it bear?

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Doctor Nichols, and I thank you for sharing your thoughts
with us this one. We're just fat out of time
for your segment. Three minutes away from the top of
the outs Doctor Edwin Nichols, he's a clinical and industrial psychologist.
We've got traffic and weather coming up for our different cities,
and next time we speak with brother Tony Browner all
coming up next after the traffic and weather. And again,
thank you doctor Edwin Nichols.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
You're facing with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
And grand rising family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Thursday morning, and welcome to our special program. A
black a Black August and conversation is what we're having.
Instead of looking back on some of the historical moments
that took place in our community in August. We're looking ahead,
trying to figure out a way of a call for
actions relevant to the stuff that's relevant to our current situation.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
What do we need to do?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
What should we be doing now? So right now we've
peeled up, We've spoken to a bunch of folks. We've
spoken to doctor Tyman Powers, doctor Ray Wimbush, Professor James Small,
doctor Ed Nichols, which you just heard. But now we're
going to turn our attention to chemictologists. Brother Tony Browner.
Brother Tony is an author, a publisher, a cultural historian,
an artist, and an education consultant. He's also the founder

(01:35:34):
and director of IKG Cultural Resources and has devoted more
than thirty five years to researching ancient Egyptian history, science,
philosophy and culture. Hotel, Brother Tony, Welcome, Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:35:47):
Brother Carl, thank you so much for having me on,
and thank you as well for organizing today's marathon of
Africa centered scholarship.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
I really appreciate you, and.

Speaker 13 (01:35:59):
I do want to address I want to also acknowledge
all of my fellow colleagues who have spoken before me
and who will be speaking after me, And I want
to acknowledge the challenge of doing a synopsis or presenting
an overview of profound thoughts within thirty minutes. So everyone

(01:36:20):
who's been on the show thus far has done an
excellent job. And this is the type of programming that
you only get on WL. It's not available anywhere else
in the country. And I hope your listeners understand that
and appreciate what you're doing for them. You know, you're
not doing this for ratings. You're doing it for your listeners.

(01:36:42):
So I trust that they will take note of everything
that's been shared this morning and will act on those notes.
Don't just listen and talk about how good the show was,
but take these talking points that all of the presenters
today are offering to you and use them as a
means needs to move your life forward. The other thing

(01:37:02):
I want to acknowledge is the elephant in the room,
and that's the absence of systems on this show. You
I acknowledge the fact that you cannot solve a problem
by using the same mentality that created the problem. And
one of the problems that we've been dealing with for

(01:37:23):
several centuries is dealing with psychopathic racihow racist personalities who
created this government, who created all of the systems that
support this government, and that in order to undo these
systems and introduce new systems, we need a new mindset.
So a white male consciousness, white male dominated consciousness that

(01:37:47):
put us in this mess. And it's going to take
not black people trained by white men, but black men
and black women who have a different understanding or deeper
understanding of who they are as African people. So the
various scholars that you have on today, Car are addressing that.
And I'm sure when you do this again, because you

(01:38:08):
will do it again, there will be sisters in the mix,
and we'll be able to elevate this discussion to a
higher level. And that's where all of this is headed.
I kind of see the problems that we're discussing on
this show today and problems that have been discussed in
previous shows. Our problems created by the thinking that distorted,
perverted thinking of white males predominantly, and that it's going

(01:38:33):
to take a different mindset. Doctor Charles Finch talks about
the Great African Mother, or as doctor Benn talked about,
the female the goddess principle. It's going to take the
return of that feminine energy to help balance this distorted

(01:38:57):
perception of reality that we all have been in affected
by this yurugu virus that we've all been infected by.
And so I, with my understanding and appreciation of coinetic history,
had referred to this as the set principle. If we
understand the mythology of a Sar on a set, a
sar was the male principle responsible for uniting the two

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lands and introducing language and history and culture and spiritual
systems and agriculture.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
But he was destroyed by his brother.

Speaker 13 (01:39:25):
Again, this male violence that men just naturally bring with them,
and doctor Nichols has articulated why and how that presents
itself throughout history. But it was a set the consort,
the wife of Asar, who went throughout the Black Land
and found the missing pieces of a Tsar's body and

(01:39:46):
literally remembered a Sar reconstituted his body, and then she
made it by doing that, she made it possible for
her to be impregnated by the spirit of her deceased husband.
And by bringing this challenge to the world, this offspring
into the world which represented the future, they were able.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
To restore order, restore my eart.

Speaker 13 (01:40:09):
This feminine principle, this ubiquitous cosmic principle that permeates every
aspect of our being. And so it's through the balance
of the masculine the feminine forces of creation, and specifically
in times of distress, which we are certainly in now,
it's the amplification of a seement of a feminine perspective

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that is grounded in the spiritual forces that are responsible
for producing, creating, and maintaining all life that is required
in order for us to move to a higher dimension
of being.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
And that's the process that we're going through right now.
So it's important that.

Speaker 13 (01:40:47):
We have a historical context, and it's also important that
we understand something that you bring up off in Carl
when I'm on your show, is some of you, your
listeners who don't understand, who don't appreach the value of history.
Why it is history important? Well, the reality is history
is the study of the past, the ancient past and
the not too distant past. And if we're really clear

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about things that add value in our life, everything that
unfortunately in the materialistic world, those things that add value
to our lives, goals and diamond and precious minerals, oil
and gas, all of these things that run our lives
that fuel our lives that we spend so much of
our time trying to achieve to make our lives better.

(01:41:31):
All of those things were created a long time of goal,
millions of years ago in many instances, created under enormous pressure,
which turned the lump of coal into a diamond, which
turned other minerals into precious minerals or commodities that are
now more precious than human beings that it appears, So

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we understand the past creates the things that are beneficial
to people today. No people in their conscious mind would
ever step away from or deny their history, because it's
the knowledge, is the reclamation of the past that allows
us to understand how we got where we are and
to move forward with all deliberate speed to create a

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future that our children and our children's children will inherit.
So these are our principles, concepts and ideas that have
been erased from our consciousness that are are being restored,
and WL has played a major role in the restoration
of our consciousness. So in that context, we have to
understand that everything is cyclical. There's nothing new in the

(01:42:38):
world except the history you don't know, and that doctor
Clark says all history is the current event, and so
as I reflect on the role that I've played over
the last forty eight years now is studying African history
and coming to understand the power of African history, I
can't help but look at my relationship with WL, and

(01:42:59):
my relationship with this radio station has endured for thirty
nine years this coming November, and as a result, I
can say that my life has been changed for the
better as a result of listening to the guests that
have appeared on this radio station over the past thirty

(01:43:20):
nine years. I would literally sit down listen to the shows,
tape shows and then listen to the taste of those
shows as I was formulating my understanding of who I
was as a person in the African ancestry. And those
WL listeners will remember there was a brother in the
community named Gerald Smith who recorded every Kathy Hughes show

(01:43:43):
on cassette tapes, and he made those tapes available to
people who missed the show so that there could be
an understanding of the important information that was disseminated on
the airways. And with that understanding, we saw in the
mid to late eighties, as the African Senate movement was

(01:44:05):
taking course and growing. We saw the impact of WL
or shaping the consciousness of the African American community here
in Washington, DC. And I can say with certainty that
d C was the hub of the African Center movement
in the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
If it wasn't number one, it was number two, but
DC was right there.

Speaker 13 (01:44:30):
And one of the reasons why DC played such a
major role in the proliferation of African Center thought was
because of the radio station like WL and Missus Hughes's
openness to bring on guests who can't be heard on
traditional media outlets to talk about information. It's crucial to

(01:44:51):
the thinking, to the development and the friging of the
black community. So as a result of this relationship, we
saw information and being disseminated in the nation's capital, which
prompted concerned citizens to become actively involved and as Tyrone
Power said at the top of this program that you're doing,

(01:45:13):
became actively involved in protesting the DC school Board to
insist that certain information is incorporated into the curriculums. And
because of the fact that we had a lecture series
where we were bringing in all of the top scholars
they would come on WL, they would talk about the
program that they were going to be discussing that evening.

(01:45:36):
We would give away tickets, people would come out and
then they would be followed through. And so we saw
how by bringing certain information to the community, we were
able to shape the thinking and the actions within that community.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
The other reality is that, as you well know, carll, not.

Speaker 13 (01:45:54):
Every listener to this station is a tune to the
messages that in that are broadcast from this station.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
There are some people who.

Speaker 13 (01:46:03):
Just listen just to listen. There's some people who listen
to disrupt, and then there's some people who are truly
motivated who listen for information that adds value to their lives.
So I know that this program today is not going
to reach everybody, and that's not really important. It's important
that it reaches the minds, the ears, the consciousness of
those people who are ready to do more than talk

(01:46:26):
because talk is cheap, and when all is said and done,
we know that there's more said than it's done. So
I trust that this program, the special program that you're
doing today, Car, will move people to act based on
what they've heard. And so what I want to offer
to our listeners today is to do something that we

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had worked with Missus to do back in nineteen ninety.
We had a program in December of nineteen eighty nine
at GUDC. It was the Miseducation Sent to Education Seminar
that featured doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Liam Jeffries and doctor A. C. Hillier. It's a two
day event.

Speaker 13 (01:47:08):
The first day they talked about the miseducation of the
Negro Dr Woodson's concept. The second day we talked about
the re education because, again going back to what doctor
Power has talked about at the six o'clock hour, you
cannot or you should not just talk about problems without
offering solutions. So we don't want to just wallow and pity.
We want to look back in order to find ways

(01:47:31):
to move forward, and to move forward with clarity and
direction of intent. So it's the idea move of Sankofur
to Cofort to go back and reclaim the best of
the past. But then once you've reclaimed that knowledge, once
we have that history in these facts is data, you
now move forward knowing where you're going to go, and
you move forward with intention, and the intention is to

(01:47:54):
shape the future for the next seven generations. To think
one hundred and fifty years into the future. So what
we we had done when I came back on in
WL after we had the Miseducation to Education conference with
doctor Jeffers and doctor Hillier, I shared with Miss Hughes
the statements the closing statements of Acy Heilliard in December

(01:48:16):
of nineteen eighty nine where doctor Hilliart said that any
African who's not a member of the study group in
the nineteen nineties is a trader to the race. And
when I shared those words with Miss Hughes, Miss Hughes said, well, well, listen,
what can we do to ensure that our listeners will
not betray the race? And the idea that we came

(01:48:37):
up with at that time was to establish the WL
Study Group. And so we used the station to give
a call to the community and we had we held
two meetings at Howard University Blackburn Center. The first meeting
we had five hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
People show up.

Speaker 13 (01:48:53):
It was we gave a general overview of what we
wanted to do using our model for study groups.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
We were going to fashion the WL Study Group.

Speaker 13 (01:49:01):
At our second meeting, about two hundred and fifty people
showed up. So we know that there's going to be attrition,
there's going to be people who for whatever reason can't
follow through. And from the two hundred and fifty people,
we called it down even more and had thirteen I
think we had thirteen study groups, study groups in each
of the eight wards of the city, Montgomery County, Prince

(01:49:24):
George's County, and in Virginia. And so we came together
initially to study, to read and study. But you can't
just study for the sake of study. The study groups
have a purpose, but that purpose is often finite, and
so how do you expand beyond the study group model,
as Manul and Tim had written about in one of

(01:49:47):
doctor Van Surtema's Journal of Askan Civilizations. So it's about
becoming action oriented and what I discovered in creating. We
got to go to a break, so I'll continue right
after the break.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
I hear the music, all right, thank you, brother Tony.
Seventeen after the top, they have family just checking in.
We're doing a special program on Black August. The conversation
a conversation with some of our scholars out there and
plotting for us what we can do, what's the future
hold for us? And then Tony is just sharing some
of the legacy of this radio station here at WL
and shout out to our listeners to on WLB. As

(01:50:19):
you mentioned, we've got to step aside for a few
moments to come back, and Tony will finished his presentation
next and Grand Rising Family twenty minutes after the top
they are we're doing a special program this morning. We
called it a conversation, a Black August conversation, and so
far we've heard from doctor Tyrone Powers, doctor Ray Wimbush,
Doctor Edward Nichols, and Professor James Small and she had

(01:50:40):
to come Attorney La Grand Clerk, doctor James Taylor, doctor
Jerome Fox, and we're speaking right now with brother Tony Browner,
who we decided to have this conversation figure out where
do we go from here. You know, in nineteen sixty three,
sixty two years ago, doctor King had his March on
Washington two and and fifty thousand people showed up on
the wall to demand civil rights legislation, for civil rights,

(01:51:01):
economic justice. They also call for desegregation. So some of
those issues. We're still dealing with some of those issues today.
But Brother Tony's given us the history of what this
radio station means to Washington, DC era. So Brother Tony,
I'm let you finish your thought.

Speaker 13 (01:51:15):
Okay, thank you, Carling, and then the seven minutes I
have left in the segment, I want to summarize my
points and then give some action oriented points as well.
One of the things one of the takeaways that I've
come to from analysis of the creation of the WORL
study groups in nineteen ninety one of the problems that

(01:51:38):
we experienced was that there were too many people in
the group who were addicted to white As doctor Fox
talks about, there were too many people in the study
group who really didn't understand racism and white supremacy. They
really didn't understand the principles and concepts and ideas expoused
by mister Fuller and doctor Wilsea. They were people who
had expressed an interest weren't really vetted, and as a consequence,

(01:52:02):
these study groups did not move as fast and as
far as they could have. So moving forward, I want
to make some suggestions in terms of the people who
are listening to what you're doing called there are some
things that they can do right now, and I want
to speak specifically to the ten percent of your audience
who is ready to do these things. This is not

(01:52:24):
for everybody, but for those who want to do something,
who feel the need to do something. Whether you're homebound,
you can do some stuff on the phone, you can
do some stuff on the computers. If you're out in
the street, there are some things that you can do
to network with other people. I want to recommend for
your listeners that they get a podcast of this show

(01:52:45):
and this show that they can come together to groups
with as groups or worked as an individual sales and
do a summary of what each of the eight presenters
over the course of this four hour time frame have presented,
so that we have a working model, a summary, if

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you will, a false and ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
That's one thing.

Speaker 13 (01:53:10):
The other thing that can also happen just putting these
ideas out here is that Carl, you have so many
impactful people on your show every week. If people put
together a weekly summary of the car Nelson Show, highlights
from your speakers, and then compile that information, put it

(01:53:31):
in a database. If you did for summaries per month,
that's for these summaries per year, and from a distillation
of that data, you can come up with a black print,
if you will, of some of the best ideas that
can be utilized. And then as people begin to share

(01:53:52):
this information with each other. Because now we have access
to the internet, we have access to computers, we have
access to social media. We can't have all of that
in the nineteen nineties. So we can do more with
less and reach more people, reach more minds with information
that's culturally curated in order to enhance the consciousness of

(01:54:13):
those people who are ready to have their consciousness enhanced
at a time when we're being written out of existence
and socialized out of existence. So there will be more
people who were heed to call. And many of these
people we will find, some of the folks who lived
in Prens George's County, who were federal employees, who have

(01:54:34):
been fired, who have been unfairly dismissed, who are looking
for things to do with their lives, who are angry,
who are confused. There are some there are some activities
that they have specific skills now to be able to
engage in summarizing information, compiling information, and disseminating information to

(01:54:55):
those with the greatest need to know. And then once
this information has been summarized, mus has been compiled, once
it's been broken down into different categories, that information can
then be disseminated throughout our communities. Since they are disbanding
the Department of Education, then we must do in the
future what we did during time to segregation. We educated

(01:55:18):
our own in our homes, in our churches, in our barbershops,
our beauty shops, wherever we congregate. So we are returning
to that point in time. So let us return to
that point in time with the higher consciousness, with the
more serious intent, and let us be sincere about dedicating
our lives to doing this better than we've ever done

(01:55:39):
it before, to prepare the next seven generations to have
a fear of the found understanding of history and the
cycles of history, and all of the things that we've
gone through in the past that we're experiencing now will
experience in the future. With that sword sight, with that understanding,
with that black point, if you will this roadmap, then
we can create the mindset that we'll be able to

(01:56:04):
defeat this beast and return MyDD return the sense of
order and balance and harmony that will make it possible
for this nation to achieve its principles and ideals that
we now see are being betrayed by.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
This current administration.

Speaker 13 (01:56:23):
And anyone who has traveled outside the United States understands
should understand very clearly the impact that African Americans have
on the world. Africans living in America are the best
educated Africans on the planet and some of the wealthiest
Africans on the planet. And what we do shapes what
people want to do all over the world, not just

(01:56:45):
African people, but Asians, our Europeans, everybody on the planet
models what we do.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
So that speaks to the energy, the consciousness of.

Speaker 13 (01:56:54):
Power that Africans living in America, born in America have
inherited as a result of our ancestors planting within us
the seeds for our liberation. So in a larger context, Carl,
I see the big picture. I see that our enslavement
here was part of a master plan in order to

(01:57:19):
ensure that as the world shifts and begins to turn
the right side up, their Africans in this country who
have access to information, to secrets that have been hidden
in playing sight, which is what Egypt of the Potomac
Field Trip documented almost almost forty years ago. So we

(01:57:39):
have the knowledge, we have the tools, we have the
power to recreate the world. What we need now is
the desire and the proper motivation. The consistent motivation, and
the current occupant of the White House is giving us
that motivation right now. So what your program is doing
is giving us an opportunity not to focus on what
is wrong and all the evil and destructive things that

(01:58:01):
have been done to us over the centuries, but to
look at how we have thrived in spite of that,
look at the potential that has always existed within us
to create something out of nothing. This is who we
are and we've done that better than anybody else on
the planet because within us is the capacity to create
things that liberate the minds, to liberate the souls of humanity.

(01:58:24):
So these times, these circumstances are moving us in a
position that we were all born for for this particular moment.
So if we heed the call, if we are no
longer afraid of what's happening, but trust in our ancestors,
understand the significance of ancestral intelligence, which is the only

(01:58:44):
AI that should really matter to people of consciousness at
this particular point in time in history, we will find
that we have the tools necessary to do all of
the things that we were born to do. So with
those simple instructions added to what my other colleagues have
shared with the WOL listeners today, I think we will
have a blueprint for those who are ready to move

(01:59:07):
forward and do something positive with the rest of their lives.
And Carl, I'm going to thank you for this opportunity
to be a part of this exciting program and it
looks for it to joining you when you do it
again and have some sisters on the panel as well well.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Thank you, brother Tony, and thank you. You brought up
a key word there that nobody's brought up so far,
and it's fear. There's a lot of people are scared.
They're scared, they don't know what to do. They're fear
of the n not just in our community, but you
know just I guess it's globally too. They don't know
what the future holds. And that's why we decided to
have this conversation this morning.

Speaker 13 (01:59:43):
But let us remember what Roba Dick Gregory said when
he came on w OF that fear is the absence
of God. Black Focus some of the most spiritual people
on the planet. Fear is the absence of God.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
So when you understand who.

Speaker 13 (01:59:53):
You are and what you've done, there is no fear.
There is only a clear understanding of what you were
born to do. There's a clear understanding, as doctor Wilson said,
of us being born for a specific cosmic assignment, and
when we dedicate ourselves to that cosmic assignment, there are
no forces on the planet that can stop us. Fear
doesn't exist. Only it's only the completion of our task

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that matters.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
And we've seen.

Speaker 13 (02:00:19):
Brillion examples of men and women who came here to
complete the task and they've changed the world for the
better because of that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Ah Sha sha shay i shay, Thank you, brother Tony.

Speaker 3 (02:00:32):
My pleasure, Thank you, Carl, and I'm going to enjoy
the rest of the show today. Appreciate it all right, family.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Thirty minutes after the top, they are now, as I mentioned,
as we're discussing. If you're just checking in with some
Black August conversation, it's a plan where we're trying to
figure out with some of our scholars, where do we
go from here. Antoni addressed the fear issue. Some people
are saying we need to, you know, look at education,
some people look at economics. But we're going to turn
our attention out to doctor uh, doctor Jerome, and those

(02:01:00):
of you who know him. Doctor Jerling Fox is a
clinical psychologists have been on here before. Is the author
of Addicted to White, The Oppressed, in League with the Oppressor,
and the title I Love Belts a Shame based Alliance.
It's a self health strategy book that analyzes global race
relations and concludes that the major challenge confronting black people
everywhere on this planet is their addictions to five core

(02:01:21):
wide values of the oppressor family. Welcome back to doctor
Jermie Fox, Grand Rising, Doctor Fox.

Speaker 7 (02:01:28):
Yes, thank you for having me, Doctor Fox.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
What do you see is the major problems facing us today?
And how can we solve some of those problems?

Speaker 8 (02:01:38):
Right?

Speaker 14 (02:01:38):
I'll be talking for a bit, so just be patient.
And all of those things that your previous guests have
mentioned are discussed in my book, including this whole issue
of fear, which indeed we do have. First, well, let
me say that I will present too short term calls

(02:02:02):
to action and a long term one, and I hope
that the audience will find at least a little something
they agree with, regardless of their political leanings. I wantn't
to be as practical as possible. The first short term
call to action, let me say, we must accept that

(02:02:26):
there is no quick and easy fix after years of
refusing to fight fire with fire, to use Governor Newsom's
battle cry recent battle cry. Any immediate action I or
anyone else may suggest runs the risk of having too

(02:02:48):
few motivated people to act on it. I discussed this
issue in my book Addicted to White work book Addicted
to White in the preface. If people want more information
on that, nonetheless, I'll say, we must start fighting now
with the weapons we already have at our disposal. Turning

(02:03:12):
to page one eighteen in my workbook Addicted to White,
you will find a list of weapons, the first being
our children. We must right now start training our kids
to be revolutionists by properly educating them, which includes teaching
them their history and the importance of preparing themselves to

(02:03:33):
end once and for all the assaults from white races.
We must encourage our children to become and oh this
will sound controversial, but you know, deal with it, military personnel,
something I was completely against, but as I look at
the landscape, I see a possible advantage to this. We

(02:03:54):
must encourage our children to become military personnel, civil rights
attorneys and cyber spies and a packers ready to protect
us if there are white counterparts, declare military war on us,
which is a possibility. Flood the military recruitment offices with
applications right now, Overwhelm the law schools with your applications,

(02:04:16):
and learn all there is to know about how to
conduct cyber warfare. We need to infiltrate the government, the military,
and the courts to stop our white adversaries from eliminating us,
as the kk K did in order to gain legal

(02:04:36):
cover while trying to eliminate us. Many of those people
in the FBI, many, any of those people that you
encounter as police, so called police persons on the street
are nothing. But KKK members are certainly influenced by their ideology.
So we can do the same. We can infiltrate these

(02:04:58):
possible weapons that could be used against us and make
certain that they're not used against us. That's the whole
strategy there. As I said before, I get up thinking
like a general, and I go to bed thinking like
a general. If we don't have the mental, spiritual and
material resources to raise revolutionists, then we should stop having children.

(02:05:20):
Stop dumping our babies in this torture chamber. We refuse
to correct. Second call to action Chinese.

Speaker 8 (02:05:30):
Page one.

Speaker 14 (02:05:31):
In my workbook, you'll find two other weapons, education and
political activism. I've already mentioned educating our children sall zoom
in on bullets or Ballots, which, by the way, is
the title of a nineteen thirty six crime thriller starring
Edward G. Robinson that Malcolm X may have seen as

(02:05:53):
a child and as an adult rephrase the movie title
to introduce his speech called ballot or bullet.

Speaker 5 (02:06:01):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (02:06:01):
The late doctor Bobby Wright wrote, quote, there is no
evidence that black and white people can live together without
whites attempting to oppress and exterminate the blacks. One and
five unquote, one in five Americans believe Uh. He may
have to resort to violence to get what he wants,

(02:06:24):
according to a recent poll. And what do our white
racist Americans want? It's it's it's really more of what
they don't want. That they fiercely don't want us to
replace them in number or authority. You've heard a lot
of that they will Jews will not replace us. Uh.

(02:06:45):
That they are obsessed with this idea of being genetically
as a doctor Francis Chris Wilson had pointed out years
ago genetically and and and in every other way replaced
by non white volte and right and hold up.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
Thoughe right there, Dr Fox, we got to step aside
for a few moments and you will pick it up
there on Dr Wilson's replacement theory. Family, you want to
join us, call up a couple of friends and tell
them to check in this morning because we're in a
special Black August Conversation program. We saw about top scholars
and tomorrow you can discuss it by calling us on
our open phone Friday. But we're gonna let Doctor Fox

(02:07:21):
continue his conversation next.

Speaker 12 (02:07:23):
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Speaker 6 (02:07:40):

Speaker 7 (02:07:56):
And Grand Rising Family and banks.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
Just stay with us all morning long as we deliver
this Black Conversation, Black August Conversation. I should say, this
is Black August, and instead of looking back on all
the historical events that took place in this month, we're
looking forward. We're trying to come up with some a
call to action, if you will, it's relevant to the
current situation. What can we do now we know what
the problem is, So we've assembled some of our top

(02:08:20):
scholars to help us out. Before we left, we're speaking
with doctor Jeremy Fox. Doctor Fox is a clinical psychologists
and doctor Fox's where we left off was speaking about
Dr Welson's replacement theory.

Speaker 7 (02:08:31):
So doctor Fox, I let you pick it up from there.

Speaker 14 (02:08:34):
Right well, As I said that whites are obsessed with
being replaced by non white people, and they're willing to
commit all sorts of emotional, social, and physical violence against
us to ensure non whites don't replace them. We have

(02:08:56):
to stop believing that white races are capable of reform.
A few famous black brothers exemplify our profound denial of
the real danger white racist neighbors posed to our well being.
I've mentioned these examples in previous times that I've been

(02:09:19):
on your program, but I'll just go really quickly. Pharrell Williams,
the music producer. His relative was a slave as a child,
and she happened to be interviewed in the nineteen thirties
about her experience of being enslaved, and Pharrell didn't know

(02:09:41):
about this ancestor. After he was made aware of her
account on finding your roots. He responded by saying, quote,
this is making me feel some things, and I thought
that you haven't felt before. Now he went on to say,

(02:10:01):
what kind the people would do this? This is messing
with my mind, my spirit. I don't want to cry,
and I'm trying not to be angry. And I thought,
why why not? Whose feelings are you protecting? This is
breaking me down. This is intense. I didn't know you
could be humanitarian, you could have humanitarian vibes and be

(02:10:24):
angry too. And I would say that's because he never
really identified with the black struggle before. Because James Baldwin
tota be black is to be perpetually enraged. I want
this country to love us, he says, who are these people?
So you want to be loved by these monsters another

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term that James Baldwin used to describe these white races.
Barack Obama was surprised to discover that there aren't more
Republicans who are willing to lose their seat in Congress
for the sake of deserving this democracy. Really of democracy,
we have never ever been included. And by the way,

(02:11:06):
Hank Aaron, the late Hank Aaron, scarred by the racism
he endured during his pursuit of Babe Ruth's home run record.
Remark quote, it really made me see for the first time,
I'm thinking, really, for the first time, a clear picture
of what this country is about. They meaning his detractors,

(02:11:29):
racist detractors, white detractors, carved a piece of my heart away.
And I'm thinkinging he allowed the haters, these white haters,
who have hated Africans from the beginning of this nation,
to do this to his heart because it was duped
into worshiping them. According to Bobby, to Bobby right again,

(02:11:57):
we are afflicted with the greatest pathology in the world,
which is believing in something like the inherent goodness of
whits just because we wish it were so. Our believing
we don't have problems that we do indeed have, just
because we wish it were so. Instead of wallowing in

(02:12:20):
this delusion, we should follow Maya Angelou's advice quote, when
people will show you who they are or what they're
struggling with, believe them in the first time.

Speaker 8 (02:12:32):
Unquote.

Speaker 14 (02:12:33):
Right now, the Trumpster, as I call this resident, with
his dumpster of sycophants, is trying to acclimate all citizens
to the idea of having a gestoppo disguised as Ice
agents or national guards to force primarily non whites, but

(02:12:53):
also anyone else who opposes the Trumpster to bend the
need to him. If we persist in living next door
to these white monsters, as James Baton called them, then
we truly black folk not want to be white white folks,
but we black people, the only ones who have demonstrated

(02:13:16):
throughout history and ability to coexist with all ethnic groups peacefully,
must control all the levers of government at every level
we can, and must use the ballot to vote out
of office this current iteration of white and want to
be white hardcore races that want to be like little

(02:13:41):
Marco Rubio, hurting his own people, including virtually all the
republic Is, who are narcissistic, greedy, and violent characteristics I
abbreviate in my work book with the term negev. You
can find on page nine, and it will help you

(02:14:03):
to properly analyze what we're up against. Narcissistic, greedy, violent monsters. Meanwhile,
aggressively challenge yourselves and everyone you know to get acquainted
with the issues and eighteen twenty, Thomas Jefferson said in

(02:14:24):
a letter to William Charles Jarvis, an attorney, quote, I
know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of this
society but the people themselves. And if we think them
not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion,

(02:14:44):
the remedy is not to take it from them, but
to inform their discression through education. This is the true
corrective for abuses of constitutional power. Unquote. With Jefferson's words
in my mind, keep listening to this radio show, watch MSNBC,

(02:15:06):
read newspapers and magazines to discover which political office seekers
have agendas that match your agenda to limit the stress
on black life, which right now is all we can
get from this crooked, rigged political system system, just a

(02:15:26):
little relief, giving us time and space to unify and
plan how we're going to take charge of our destiny
in this land. Don't let our white enemies convince us
that being woke being informed to the nth degree, In

(02:15:47):
other words, it is something bad. Get woke, Stay woke,
own and proclaim your wokeness.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
Happily.

Speaker 14 (02:15:57):
Talk if you are inclined and able, run for office
locally or nationally. If not, certainly talk to everyone about
what I call the Trumpster's Billionaire Bandits Bill not big
beautiful bill, but Billionaire Bandits Bill and its goal of

(02:16:21):
transferring all of America's wealth to a few billionaire are
want to be Trillionaire Bandits fees or also please keep
mentioning the Trumpster's involvement with the pedophiles Jeffrey Epstein and
Glaine Maxwell to arouse the indignation of the people you're

(02:16:41):
talking to, which might motivate them even more to vote, vote, vote, vote,
to kick out our enemies from every position of authority
in this nation. And now, lastly, because I believe we
may be too weak, brainwashed, and defeat it to protect

(02:17:06):
ourselves at this moment, my long term call to action
is for everyone under the sound of my voice to
purchase my workbook Addicted to White the Oppressed in league
with the oropfessor, and follow its instructions and tell all
your friends to do the same. As Alice Walker, the

(02:17:26):
author said, quote, the most common way people give up
their power is by thinking they don't have any in unquote.
In nineteen forty seven, President Truman addressed the Joint Session
of Congress and said, quote, the seeds of totalitarian regimes

(02:17:47):
are nurtured by misery and want. They spread and grow
in the evil soil of poverty and strife unquote, conditions
by the way, Black people are overly acquainted with poverty
and strife and strife. Rather, he continued, quote, autocracies reached

(02:18:09):
their full growth when the hope of a people for
better life has died. We must keep that hope alive unquote.
Many years later, Jesse Jackson echa President Truman's call to
keep hope alive, but Director Ava Duvarnay now encourages us

(02:18:30):
to accept that quote. At some point, hope needs to
have a blueprint. It needs to have a game plan unquote.
And I've been arguing since I began appearing on this
show that the first step in our game plan needs

(02:18:51):
to be a boot camp for our minds if we
are ever to become a unified, single minded, multi tentative cult,
well coordinated oppression fighting machine. As I've said before on
page seventy nine in my workbook, the White Addiction Recovery

(02:19:13):
protocol I've prescribed in my work book is just the
sort of mind fixing boot camp we need to prepare
for serious battle. Not this nonsense. This is joking around
that we've been doing, but for serious battle, and really
that's all I have to give.

Speaker 2 (02:19:33):
Well, will you address the fair issue because you mentioned it,
Tony addressed it that some people understand that concept with
most people don't understand the concept that Tony was talking about.

Speaker 14 (02:19:42):
Right, Well, I've addressed that. I've devoted a whole section
in my book to this whole fear. Fear is real,
It's a part of the biological mechanisms that we have
to keep our cells alive. Now, if you see a

(02:20:03):
line coming your way, you better.

Speaker 8 (02:20:05):
Move out of the way.

Speaker 14 (02:20:06):
So fear is logically necessary, but obviously it can be
stimulated for all the wrong reasons and prevent us from
doing the things that we need to do. As I
say one on page one twelve in my book, that
crippling fear is the only thing that prevents us from

(02:20:30):
engaging in the type of fearce and continual battle that
I'm advocating in this old presentation against white oppression. Most
people allow fears to fetter them to a variety of
temporarily analgesic but ultimately unhealthy behaviors and practices, ranging from

(02:20:53):
resisting intimacy to not resisting oppression. Entire cultures a lot
along with their subcultures, are built around fear. Fear of death,
fear of each other, fear of being replaced, et cetera,
et cetera. American actor raptor Ice Cute once said, quote

(02:21:13):
in Hollywood, as a black actor, you've got to start
off on the path of least resistance or you're you're
going to become a starving artist. So fear is all
wrapped up and the reasons why we don't resist continually.

(02:21:34):
As I've said before, we had that whole spiritual in
our culture saying before I be a slave, I be
buried in my grave. We sing it, but we really
don't believe it. Fear overcoming fear takes practice. And as
you look at these weak positliticians that we have, both

(02:21:56):
white and black, their whole old you know posture is
about fear, you know, fearing basically because they're narcissists, losing
their access to that senator or accongressman's salary quite frankly,
and the opportunity to steal even more which their position

(02:22:19):
gives them. So I mean that's basically it. We have
to zero in on.

Speaker 10 (02:22:27):
On this fear.

Speaker 14 (02:22:28):
As I said further in this passage that in a
chamber of fear of a version of the infamous Faustian
exchange is made between Africans and our white oppressors. White

(02:22:48):
oppressors agree not to take the physical life of us
in exchange for our mental life, our dignity, autonomy, self esteem,
ethnical loyalties, maturity, and even sanity.

Speaker 5 (02:23:04):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (02:23:05):
Basically, they're saying to us, we white oppressors will allow
you Blacks to live, if only at the grave's mouth,
perhaps to get the formal education i e. And doctor
nation we've designed for you.

Speaker 2 (02:23:20):
Make a little money and doc we got to cut
it back because you're flat out of time. I thank
you for sharing your thoughts with us. That said Jeremy
Fox on the special special edition of a Black August
Conversation with some of our top scholars. As a mission,
got to step aside for a few moments. We'll be
back with more of our scholars next.

Speaker 1 (02:23:36):
You're fucking with the most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 2 (02:24:06):
And grand Rising family. In fact, were rolling with us
on this Thursday morning. As we continue our Black August
conversation with some of our scholars. You know, Black August
is a month long commemoration and also a political tradition
that began in the seventies. It started in San Quentin
State Prison to honor the lives, the struggles and sacrifices
of black freedom fighters. But it's also a period for
collective action, education and solidarity within our community and for

(02:24:30):
the If you heard it, for the next hour, some
of our distinguished guests are offering calls to action that
are relevant to our situation. If you just joined us,
some of the folks that you missed, the doctor Tyren Powers,
doctor Ray Wimbush, doctor Ed Nichols, Professor James Small, Brother,
Tony Browner, doctor Jeromy Fox, and also coming up we
have Attorney La Grand Clegg. Also hopefully we're gonna have

(02:24:53):
the doctor Taylor as well. But what we're trying to
do is, you know, instead of focusing solely on the past,
and we know all what happened in the past, we
will concentrate on initiatives and innovative ideas and plans for
advancing our community. As today is also the anniversary of
the Great March on Washington. If some of you recall
from history, two hundred and fifty thousand people gathered on

(02:25:15):
the Washington Mall, but doctor King had his eye of
a dream speech. He was there to demand civil rights legislation,
economic justice, and also desegregation. And right now some of
those issues are still with us, and so that's why
we assemble some of our great scholars to help us
address these issues. Do we have doctor Taylor with us? Kevin,

(02:25:36):
I'm not hearing Kevin or doctor Taylor. So hopefully we
get doctor Taylor, and do we want to hear what
he says, because so mentioned, doctor Taylor is one of
our scholars, doctor Taylor. Doctor Taylor is a professor the
University of San Francisco. Is also the author of several books,
including Black Nationalism in the United States From Malcolm X,
The Barack Obama and the People's Temples, Jim Jones, and

(02:25:57):
California Black Politics.

Speaker 7 (02:25:59):
So hopefully we at doctor Taylor. Do we have doctor
Tail there?

Speaker 2 (02:26:01):
Kevin, I'm hearing silence from the other side of the
studio here, so we attempt to get doctor Taylor on.
But anyway, family, I just want to get to your
ideas of what you've heard so far. You can call
in tomorrow our open Phone Friday and let us know
your thoughts of what some of these calls are saying
this morning about where we go from here. And I'm
glad that our last spoke speaker addressed the issue of fear,

(02:26:24):
because that's what I'm finding out with a lot of
our folks. Doctor Fox talked about the fear basis, and
Brother Tony mentioned it, but he mentioned the fact that
how we deal with fear, referencing Dick Gregris, you know,
but for the most folks are not on that level
of interpretation as Greg and Brother Tony. So they're scared,
they're concerned about the future.

Speaker 7 (02:26:44):
They don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:26:45):
And some of as we mentioned earlier, they've you know,
they packed up and just left because they don't want
to deal with it. Some people are they're apprehensive of
what what's coming down the road. They don't know what
move to make, what should they do, Who's what should
they say. They're afraid of saying something, afraid of even
having conversations with France in case it gets back, you
know who to trust. So what we have to do
is figure out how to get around that, because you know,

(02:27:07):
one of the things so far, I haven't heard. Maybe
I missed it, but I haven't heard so much. Some
of our scholars just talk about unity because that's if
we're going to survive what's coming up. Uh, we're gonna
have to have unity. We're gonna have to figure out
a way head how to unify. So let me say
this because we have a problem getting doctor Taylor on
right now, and I just spoke to him a moment ago.

(02:27:28):
But uh, doctor Taylor, if please spires a call, if
you're out there in San Francisco. I know he's out
there in San Francisco and he's probably having a problem
hooking up with us this morning. But we want to
talk to doctor Taylor. As I mentioned before, we and
coming up we're going to speak with the Grand Clegg.
He's all out in California. Said, we have the California
folks calling late because I know it's an issue there

(02:27:49):
for them getting up in three hours up behind us.
But you heard doctor Jermy Fox, and doctor Fox is
addicted to why they're oppressed, in league with the oppressor,
and that book Family details that he says there are
five core white values and many of us are addicted
to and that book gives us the antidote. You know,
some people still think that you know, white man's eyes

(02:28:10):
is colder, and they still believe they're still fighting each other,
still competing.

Speaker 7 (02:28:13):
It's one of the.

Speaker 2 (02:28:16):
White values. When you see brothers and sisters attacking each other,
they still competing. They don't know that's part of the addiction.
And being addicted to white is nothing more than if
you don't understand how the system of racist and white
supremacy works. I've heard some chatter in the background. Do
we have doctor Taylor with us, Kevin and nobody's talking
to me. We'll doctor so so yeah, back to what

(02:28:39):
doctor Fox. Uh, Doctor Fox told us about the understanding
of five core white values and one of them and
and that's why I said, I was hoping at least
somebody would talk about unity his family. If we when
we're going through all of this, we're going to have
to be unified. That's one of the key issues we're
gonna have to be We're gonna have to be unified
to get through this. And one of the things that

(02:28:59):
doctor Fox talks about one of the the white issues
that the core white values, that's a white value system.
As he says, they're always competing with each other, and
some of us are so addicted to why we do that.
And you'll see it on different levels. We see it
in the streets with our young people attacking each other
or doing these duels online or in their music, rap

(02:29:22):
battles and stuff like that. You'll see it in the church,
you know, they're attacking other ministers. You see you see
other people attacking other peoples, you know, physically and mentally
as well. Some people and sometimes now with the Internet,
they can hide behind keyboards and do that. That's that's
one of the key things that we have to do.
And if those who understand how Pan African works, pan

(02:29:43):
Africans and works, they understand that already, we don't have
to preach to them about that. But some of the
folks who are skeptical about how it works are find
it difficult because and all that's because we've been brainwashed,
you know. And people they don't even like to they
don't even like to use that term because say, I'm
not brainwashed.

Speaker 7 (02:30:01):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:30:02):
If you have to, if you have to protest that,
you know, you're not brainwashed. You're our brainwashed. But the
thing is that but it's nothing to be ashamed of,
because we all were at some time. They picked up
on all of us sometimes and many of us, as
the Doctor Fox's, are addicted some form of white values.

Speaker 7 (02:30:19):
We just don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:30:21):
So doctor Taylor, Grand Rising, welcome to the program. Thank you,
so the Doctor Taylor. Let me just say again for
doctor Taylor Roose who haven't heard him before. He's a
professor the University of San Francisco. Is also the author
of several books, including Black Nationalism in the United States
from Malcolm X to Barack Obama, and also The People's
Temple Jim Jones and California Black Politics. Uh, doctor Taylor,

(02:30:43):
We've been trying to figure out what's our next move,
what should we be doing now as we go looking ahead,
you know, instead of looking back or Black August and
looking back all the historical dates about Black August, we
want to do. Ask you to give us some guidelines
so we as a people, as a group of people,
should be doing going forward.

Speaker 3 (02:31:01):
I think we should break up the band and and
focus on local ethorts. And what I mean by that is,
I think whatever we do, it has to be something
practical and something local that everyday people do that takes
on the life of its own, and it can be

(02:31:23):
something artificial, an arbitrarity that comes from Europe or from
Latin America or from you know, Asia. It's got to
be something that's organically from the black experience, like blues
and jazz and hip hop. So we have to figure
out the next thing.

Speaker 4 (02:31:39):
We don't know, but we do know.

Speaker 3 (02:31:41):
We got some difficult days at HIT, Like Martin Luther
King said, that's what we do have is a blueprint
for what to do in times of a racial backlash.
That's what we have.

Speaker 4 (02:31:53):
But for me to try to tell, you.

Speaker 3 (02:31:57):
Know, the next generation of young people who really have
to deal with this mess how to negotiate it, it's
just not appropriate because whatever they do is going to
have to be black, and it's going to have to
be creative, and it's gonna have to come from the
souls of black folk.

Speaker 7 (02:32:16):
Well break that down for us, doctor Taylor, Yeah, I
think we have to figure.

Speaker 4 (02:32:21):
Out at the local community level, look at the precedents
that have been set for us in every black town.

Speaker 3 (02:32:27):
There's been some struggle, some history, some efforts to liberate
black people, and that's ultimately the goal for what we're
trying to do is bring about the liberation of black people.
Donald Trump don't got much more longer to live, You
don't have much more time on his earth. So that
devil is already gone. But the devil behind him are

(02:32:48):
certainly much younger. And this thing is not going away
because Trump goes away. So black folks, I think, have
to think about when I say break up the band,
I mean break up the big idea is and let's
focus on local struggles. Uh, local community struggles like in
Open the Panthers, that was about young black people reading

(02:33:11):
the tea leaves of their times and they came up
with something. And that's what's gonna have to happen, whether
it's militaristic, whether it's cultural, whether it's economic, or whether
it's political. Again, it's not for me to tell young
people how to do what they're going to do, but
they have to do something. But but I can say

(02:33:31):
the boundaries of it, or that it has to come
from the souls of black folks and it has to
come from us. I think at a local organize local
at the local level where we meet, we meet in churches.
We begin to ask churches to focus not just on
the spiritual, but focus on the the community, and let

(02:33:54):
the churches open up for Saturdays and Fridays for schools.
Like I used to go to church in la or
nun and thirty sevens in Avalon, we had a Saturday
school and one sister named Carla. She ran that.

Speaker 4 (02:34:14):
Saturday school for years and educated our children on our own.

Speaker 3 (02:34:18):
And it wasn't theology. We weren't teaching amigion.

Speaker 4 (02:34:21):
She was teaching black kids how to think, how to write,
how to show up.

Speaker 3 (02:34:26):
And this is what I mean by breaking up the band.
We got to be off the radar. Stop telling everybody.

Speaker 4 (02:34:34):
What we're doing.

Speaker 3 (02:34:35):
Stop screaming I have a dream.

Speaker 4 (02:34:37):
Stop screaming Black power, stop screaming Black lives matter. Quietly
organize ourselves at the local level. Like I said, we
got to be able to think about the church differently.
We got to think about what is in place already.
We had the nation of this common place. We got
a lot of the other urban religias, organizations like the

(02:34:58):
Moors and the Hebrews in place. The percenters are in place.
We've got the Congressional Black Caucus is larger than it's
ever been in our history. And it's the.

Speaker 3 (02:35:09):
Largest caucus of any kind in all of Congress is
the Congressional Black Caucus. So that means that black folks
are also taking a lead in electoral politics.

Speaker 4 (02:35:23):
But I think we got to.

Speaker 3 (02:35:24):
Realize there's no one solution for all of our problems,
and we have to stop letting everybody know what we
do before we do it. We have black power.

Speaker 4 (02:35:38):
Paul in nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 3 (02:35:40):
We spent the next five years trying to define what
black power meant. Don't nobody know what it means to
this day, nobody has a good definition of black power.
And yet it was a transformative moment.

Speaker 4 (02:35:51):
But what did it do. It stirred up a lot
of black energy, and there was some good efforts in
like Amery Baraca in the in the you know, in
black in the Black artist movement. Uh you have you
know a number of local black organization efforts that have
that came about.

Speaker 3 (02:36:12):
And what I'm saying is we have to do that again.
We have to get to a point where we stop
talking about what we're doing, organized locally, locally and quietly,
and try to bring about concrete change, not not loud change,
not change that the enemy like cointelpro can come down
and crush.

Speaker 4 (02:36:32):
But but things that we.

Speaker 3 (02:36:35):
Can do because see call a lot of times young brothers,
when we get in the mood for revolution, we think
Grandma want.

Speaker 4 (02:36:42):
To have a revolution too. And that's what the Panthers did.
The Pample got so caught up in mouth say tongue
and the Red Book of China and then white kids
over at Berkeley that they got so caught up in
that that they lost complete touch with the Black.

Speaker 3 (02:36:54):
Community and they had the uh hu. We wrote an
article called Defecting the Black Panther's Defecting the Black Community.
So what I'm saying is we sh can't get caught
up in things like black power or you know, dressing
up to be revolutionary. I think we need a practical
strategy like the Nation of Islam did quietly from church

(02:37:18):
to church, community center, the community center, whatever we can
get to accommodates our people in local neighbors. Like here
in San Francisco, there's a number of facilities that are
not being used that's just sitting in the black community.
The fell More Heavity Center is just sitting there. And
black folk need a meeting place. In San Francisco, they

(02:37:38):
got Third Baptist church with Reverend Brown. That's about it.
They have a few public places here and there, but
they're little concerted. Black organizing going on in San Francisco.
After Mayor breed and everything went wrong with the Black
for Sue, we had it in San Francisco with reparations
and all. So again I think we have to be discreet,

(02:38:01):
we have to be intelligent. We have to.

Speaker 5 (02:38:05):
Follow the leadership of those who emerge. Let those who
are the new Huey's and the new Angelus and the
new Kathleen Cleavis, whoever they're going to be. We need
to listen to them, and they have to tell us
here's what.

Speaker 4 (02:38:19):
We need to do with AI.

Speaker 3 (02:38:21):
You know, because this artificial intelligence thing is is not
going away. It's going to be as powerful as the Internet,
and so whatever it is, we better.

Speaker 4 (02:38:29):
Get on the front end of it. Instead of running
from it. We need to run to it because these
devil will use it against us, like with faithful recognition.
They'll have robots hating on Black faiths, and we don't
get our own scientists out there. So, in my opinion,
black folk have no excuse for not being responsive to
this moment because our ancestors always found a way to respond,

(02:38:54):
whether it was some music or culture, religion, faith education.
We never let them defeat us. They never took our
soul come up. And that's what to me called the
greatest book ever written.

Speaker 3 (02:39:08):
By a Black man.

Speaker 4 (02:39:10):
It's still to this day, the nineteen oh three Souls
of Black Folk book. Did you read that book? You'll
understand we have a spiritual culture that is so damn powerful.
There's nothing they can do to stop it. But what
we have to do is organize around it, the Souls
of Black Folk.

Speaker 2 (02:39:28):
Yeah, and we're kind up a break, Professor Taylor. When
we come back, though, address this issue for us, because
you know, sixty two years ago, at this particular day
in nineteen sixty three, doctor King gave a speech on
the Washington Mall. Two hundred and fifty thousand people. They
didn't even expect that many folks to show up. Two
hundred and fifty thousand people showed up at that march,
and that's when doctor King demand civil rights legislation, also

(02:39:52):
economic justice he called for then he also called for desegregation.
A question for you, when we come back, though, are
those issues still on the table, some of those issues
or all of them still is that we should look
forward to addressing or all those problems solved. I want
to get your thoughts, so I men, sure, We've got
to step aside for a few moments. Speak to doctor Taylor.
There's this special program we do in this morning, Family,

(02:40:13):
It's a program.

Speaker 6 (02:40:14):
It's black.

Speaker 2 (02:40:15):
It's a plumber This Black August Conversation. That's the title
of the program. So doctor Taylor's coming up next, and
also later to close us out, we're going to speak
with Legrand Clegg down in Compton. Family, keep tuning and
keep listening to us as we continued Doctor James Taylor's
next and grand rising. Family, thanks to staying with us
on this Thursday morning, as we continue our Black August

(02:40:36):
Conversation with some of our top scholars. Right now, we're
speaking with Professor James Taylor from the University of San
Francisco for a left for the break the Professor Taylor Talela.
Today is the anniversary of the Great March on Washington
and doctor King demanded the civil rights legislation, economic justice
and also an end to and desegregation.

Speaker 7 (02:40:53):
What are your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (02:40:56):
It's also the reason why Martin Luther King and the
civil rights movement led by Bayard Rustern, not King Martin
didn't do that, by all, Rustin did. The reason why
they gathered together on August twenty eighth, specifically, very few
people appreciate this is because it's the exact day that
Emmett Till died in nineteen fifty five, eight years earlier.

(02:41:17):
So August twenty eighth is important because that's the day
Emmett Till died and that was eight years earlier. So
when they have the I have a dream event, it's
without announcing it, they're honoring Emmett Till August twenty eighth,
And that's that's what you know. Kind of what I'm

(02:41:38):
saying is like black folks have to figure out what
are appropriate responses to whatever happens locally.

Speaker 4 (02:41:48):
And it seems to me that you know what King
was calling for.

Speaker 3 (02:41:52):
No, all those issues are unresolved. To answer your question directly,
we're back at a point whether that woods Row Wilson,
when this devil came into the White House, the first
thing he did was segregated the housing, I mean, segregated
the public bathrooms. So Woodrow Wilson came into the White
House and for the previous fifty years right after the

(02:42:13):
Civil War Abraham Lincoln to Woodrow Wilson, the federal buildings
were integrated, or at least not segregated. After Wilson, they
segregate the buildings, and it's not until the sixties that
they desegregate. Fifties and sixties that they desegregate.

Speaker 4 (02:42:29):
So Woodrow Wilson, like Trump, came in and set black
back for forty years. If you watch the movie Hidden
Figures and you see the scene with Taraji p Henson
when she got to run ten miles to the bathroom,
that's because of the devil named Woodrow Wilson forty years earlier.
So be clear, what Trump is doing is devastating Black America.
This is the worst thing I've ever seen happen to

(02:42:51):
us in terms of politics, in terms of a hostility
from a government administration other than Reagan and his war
on drugs. We talked about this on your show earlier
in the week. If Reagan had the war on drugs
and if LBJA had the war on poverty, Trump's straight
up war is against Black America and black cities. And

(02:43:15):
because we don't have a theory of black cities, we
don't know what our black cities mean to us. Were
still talking about the plantation when we're living in the cities.
We need to be talking about how each black city
has a role to play in the future of Black America.
What is Detroit gonna do? See, this is what the
Panthers are trying to do in Oakland. The Panthers were

(02:43:35):
not trying to be all over the world.

Speaker 3 (02:43:37):
Originally.

Speaker 4 (02:43:38):
The Panthers were just trying.

Speaker 3 (02:43:39):
To do be a good example here in Oakland so
that others might pick it up and replicate.

Speaker 4 (02:43:46):
It or do their own thing.

Speaker 3 (02:43:49):
And that's what we need, because again, what Trump is
trying to do is take us back to a pre
nineteen sixty for society. He's taking us.

Speaker 15 (02:44:00):
Back before Brown versus Board of Education. Black folk were
so sold out, and some of these negroes are still
so sold out. With the sickness of the Internet and
the sin of the Internet. It's just wicked. It's neutral
by itself, but what people do with it is do
wickedness not you know, And it's created a whole new

(02:44:22):
mentality in Black people that Martin Luther King could not mobilize.
So what I'm saying is Martin and Malcolm.

Speaker 3 (02:44:29):
Together could not get black people to follow them now
in the days of the internet, because at that time
you had Channel two, four and seven and Walter Klonkite
and a few other well known people and they translated
news for us. But in the nineties, you know, there's

(02:44:50):
better than me called the newsrooms changed in the nineties
and two thousands where the entertainment sections of new of
media outlets were expanded and they a hard journalistic elements
of journalism were cut back, so we got more entertainment
television and news going on.

Speaker 4 (02:45:09):
So Puff Daddy is more important than say Jasmine Crockett
right now, you know, And and I think what we
have to do is black folk is insist that we're
not going back and that we're ready to die, and
we need some brothers and sisters to stand up and yes,

(02:45:29):
sacrifice because we need them to understand that's gonna be
hell to pay. If y'all think we're going back on
the back of the bus, that's not gonna happen. You
can play these stupid games, put your Confederate flags back
up and just showing the devil. You are the devil
we've always known you to be.

Speaker 10 (02:45:45):
See here.

Speaker 4 (02:45:45):
Well, I don't feel bad because I've always known these
were devils. When Malcolm said it, I was.

Speaker 3 (02:45:52):
Clear as a young boy, and I never not believed it.

Speaker 4 (02:45:55):
I've never not believed we live with devils. I believe
we live with the devil. And you're talking about integrating
with the devil. You asking for hell, You ask him
to be integrated.

Speaker 3 (02:46:05):
Into a burning house. As doctor King said, integration is
not happening. What we need to do is demand a
plural society where in other words, separate but plural. We
were separate but are equal. What we need is separate,
plural and economically funded. The problem with segregation wasn't the segregation,

(02:46:29):
it was the poverty give Black folk were given the
same economic options as white people. Black people would never
want anything white people had.

Speaker 4 (02:46:39):
I had somebody email me some silly comment saying from
their last show when I said white folk ain't got
that black folk want. They telling me we'll look at
black people with wigs. I mean, you know hair and
white you know culture bleaching. Well, that's that's a psychological condition.
That's not a social condition. Black folk are in a

(02:46:59):
social condition. White folk are in a crisis. That's a difference.
White folks are dying out they're dying.

Speaker 3 (02:47:06):
They have depths of despair, they have a shortest life
expectancy in generations of modern day white folk. Modern white
Americans are dying more than white people outside of America
because they build a system to kill us, but it's
killing them. And we're experiencing a baby boom. Asians experiencing

(02:47:26):
a baby boom, Latino's experiencing a baby boom, Averdam's are
experiencing a baby boom. The only group of America not
experiencing a baby boom, and it's actually a popular in
population decline, is the white group. And last week there
was announced that for the first time on record, there's
a zero I don't know exact words to use, but

(02:47:48):
a zero you know birth rate, you know, a negative
birth rate of a factor that emerged recently where women
are just saying no. And that's the problem for the
white like when they run around talking about the Jews
will not replace us. The solution for white people is
to have a bunch of babies. But they're too busy hating.
They're too busy out hating to make babies, and that's

(02:48:11):
why they dying out.

Speaker 14 (02:48:12):
And it can't be fixed.

Speaker 4 (02:48:14):
It cannot be fixed.

Speaker 3 (02:48:15):
Naturally.

Speaker 4 (02:48:16):
But what these devils will do because they know the
same research I know, and they got more of it
because they're inside. They know they're dying out. They know
there will be a day when the last white man
closes the door on America, like Columbus was one of
the first white ones to open the door on America.
They see the end of white rule in America. And
that's why they're tolerating Mecca because it's artificial and Trump

(02:48:39):
is trying to artificially change history. But the reality is
he's really changing history and we are watching it. And
I never called thought that in my lifetime, for hours
alive as a black man, that something like this could happen,
because there will be too many of us who are
too articulate.

Speaker 3 (02:48:57):
To allow it to happen. We fight back, We grab guns,
we create organizations like we did in the fifties and sixties.
Right now, we're watching every day this devil wakes up
and says, let me fire four hundred thousand black women.
And then he says, yesterday, oh black women, black women.

(02:49:17):
I tell you, black women are so powerful. They because
he's retarded, she's my language, or he's mentally disabled, so
he says stuff like, oh, black women, they want me
to come. Oh you're black women. They really want me
to come into Chicago. And meanwhile, the Black may is
telling you to stay the hell out of Chicago, and
the Black City Council is telling you to stay the
hell out of Chicago. So again we are at war.

(02:49:39):
Trump has a clear of war on Black America, not
on drugs, not on poverty, not on climb and violence.
In fact, call this is how you know he's a
devil and they are the devil. At the time when
we should be celebrating the decline of homicides in Baltimore
that the young brother mayor there has been able to
help affect when you look at places like Birmingham that

(02:50:02):
has really high homicide rates. The mayor has gone in
and done all kinds of community focused programming, educating kids,
summer jobs. One of the best mayors ever was Marion
Barry in Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (02:50:18):
Right coming after cut it right there at doctor Taylor
because we just flat out of time for your segment,
But I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us
this morning.

Speaker 7 (02:50:25):
Thank you my family.

Speaker 2 (02:50:27):
That was Professor James Taylor at the University of San Francisco.
Let's go further down the Golden State. The Compton attorney
La Grand Clerk Klegg's joining this. Attorney Clegg, it's been
a practicing attorney for more than forty two years who
retired as the city attorney for Compton. Currently he's in
private practice and that has been noted authority in the
fields of African American and African history and culture. It's

(02:50:50):
my honor to having here today this morning. And by
the way, those of you have the copy of the
ISIS papers. Doctor franciscussed Welson chose the attorney La Grand
Clerk to be part of that project. Grind Craig Grand Rising,
welcome to the program.

Speaker 7 (02:51:03):
Thank you, good morning, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:51:06):
So you know, let me just share this with the family.
There's a conversation that one of our producers overheard me
with La Grand saying that this is this is an
opportunity for us. We can make a difference. We need
to seize the time, and this is how this program
came about. She said, well, we got to we gotta
do that. We gotta we've got to do what LaGrand
was saying, you know, we've got to seize the time
now is the time for us to make our moves.

(02:51:27):
So Attorney to the ground, Craig, those conversations we had
in private, I want you to share with us. Why
are you saying this is an opportune time for us
now to move? Make our move?

Speaker 10 (02:51:36):
Well, the gentleman who just preceded me laid out a
lot of it, and I'm sure that others did. You know,
it's very early here in contrast to the East, because
you know, I maybe one, and I graduated from law
school in nineteen sixty nine. I never dreamed that in
twenty twenty five we would be talking about voting rights.

Speaker 3 (02:52:00):
I mean this.

Speaker 10 (02:52:01):
It was our view when I graduated that everything was
going to get better and there was opening opportunities. And
I remember the sense of the older people that finally
black people, our youth were going to be able to
take their place in American society. That's been at this point,

(02:52:21):
what fifty seven years, fifty six years, or what have you,
And here we are facing autocracy in America, as the
gentleman just receiving me. It's astounding what is happening. And
we must get quiet, not see there are a lot
of distraction in this society. All this talk about movie

(02:52:45):
actors and athletes and all this stuff. We must look
at what's happening on a daily basis.

Speaker 5 (02:52:53):
The clearly.

Speaker 10 (02:52:56):
When you view the twenty twenty five report and as
discussions are taking place on television on radio, when you
hear these experts, they're using the words like dangerous and
awesome and unprecedented.

Speaker 5 (02:53:09):
Over and over and over.

Speaker 10 (02:53:10):
And these are people whose language is usually rather mild
and calm. They're saying that for the first time in
this country, we're facing fascism and authoritarianism, and so we
must wake up and address it. At this point, you know,
if you look at curse, your listeners are aware this
shameless march toward gerimandering that's happening all over the country.

(02:53:36):
You know, during the time that I, as an adult, was,
you know, becoming an attorney and practicing, it's over and
so on. Any semblance of racism was suppressed while it existed.
They didn't promote it. Trump openly promotes it. He's setting
up military forces in the cities and black cities. Only

(02:53:57):
it's astounding, you know, they're talking about he's done it
in Washington, d C. And the second city was well,
he did here in Los Angeles, did in Washington, d C.
He's talking about going to Chicago next black cities, and
various commentators have pointed out that not only are red

(02:54:18):
cities more violent, there's a higher crime rates than many
of them, but in the Red States, clearly he's targeting.
It's a vendetta campaign and also a campaign to be
smirched and sell black people. The third thing is that
I've been thinking about is in the cities where he's
implemented these horrendous programs, you have masked and unidentified military

(02:54:42):
troops stopping citizens on the street and in their cars,
and then in some cases arresting them and setting them
off to places that people don't.

Speaker 3 (02:54:52):
Know about it.

Speaker 10 (02:54:53):
It's just astounding. I mean, this is gestapo. These are
gestapo and fascist tactics. Trump is demanding the termination of
federal employees to speak in opposition to him. He's threatening
the presidents of college and universities, corporations, and other institutions
and agencies that dare to implement diversity equity inclusions. It's

(02:55:16):
assuming that some companies are doing that. This is astounding.
This is this major focus, and he's in efforts in
every opportunity punishing them as best he can. He's threatening
banning books and threatening to defund museums that devote attention

(02:55:39):
to black history and culture. And the point of the
matter is, you know, there was an authority on radio
the other day, I just cannot remember his name. I
think it was Wolf, and he was pointing out that
during the entire nearly four hundred or so years the
African Americans have been here, there has only been forty

(02:56:00):
years in different centuries, at different points where there have
been sincere attempts to integrate black people into the society.
Every effort, they begin it and they stop it. Carol
Anderson has pointed at this out merely Fuller has pointed out,
Francis Wilsing, other people have pointed out there's never been

(02:56:20):
a sincere effort to integrate us into the society. And then,
of course people have pointed out that they have taken
all kinds of steps to remove black men from the
family and to promote criminal activity and so forth and
so on. Then they then they find about why we
have criminal activity. So if you evaluate what's going on,

(02:56:43):
it's the first time that it's been so blatant, the
invading of our cities, the attack on the.

Speaker 2 (02:56:51):
I the yeah and Cousha hold that thought right then
when you come back though, because you've you've ticked off
all the things that been done.

Speaker 12 (02:57:00):
But what do we do?

Speaker 2 (02:57:01):
What's our move That's that's what this conference is. So
I'm gonna let you get to that when we get back.
Twenty three minutes away from the top of our families,
we continue our Black August conversation with some of our scholars,
this time around Attorney of La Grand Clegg is I
guess then we'll let him finish his thoughts next and
Grand Rising family. That's actually sticking with us on this
Thursday morning as we bring you a Black August to conversation.
Instead of looking back on some of the historical historical

(02:57:23):
moments in the in the month of August in our community,
we're looking forward.

Speaker 7 (02:57:27):
What can we do?

Speaker 2 (02:57:28):
What can we learn from some of those historic moments
that took place? And of course today is the anniversary
of the Great March on Washington and a lot of
things that doctor King said, some still be unfinished. Right
now we're speaking with Attorney La Grand Clegg before we
go back to the Attorney Craig and remind some of
the folks who were on earlier, doctor Tyron Powers, doctor
Ray Wimbush, doctor Edwin Nichols, Professor James Small, chematologist Tony Browner,

(02:57:51):
doctor Jeremy Fox, and doctor James Taylor. So Attenia Grand Clegg,
help us out here. What's some of the things we
should be doing as.

Speaker 7 (02:57:57):
We move forward?

Speaker 10 (02:57:58):
Okay, I'm going to get to that in just thirty seconds.
But I want to say this because because there's some
black people who still support Donald Trump saying that he's harmless.
When he speaks of black people, he's constantly referring to
us as low IQ. And people must understand that he
referred to Charlemagne the God that way, he refers to
Maxine Waters and Jasmine Procket in that way, and he

(02:58:20):
referred to former Vice President President Kamala Harris as dumb,
mentally unfit, slow, stupid, and extremely low IQ. So we
must understand that this is not This is clear how
his hatred of blacks is manifested clearly. Okay, with respect

(02:58:40):
to what we should do, in my view, is number one,
develop a mindset like we had during the Civil rights
movement in the South. People were obsessed was what was
happening in our community in terms of say the Montgomery Movement.
During that time, they were obsessed with that, and that
is how we must be now. We're a powerful group

(02:59:01):
of people, or they wouldn't spend so much time suppressing
us and trying to keep us from voting. And number one,
in our homes, we must play, take close attention to
the news, monitor what's happening, and discuss that within our families.
Just as many parents talk to their children about they'll
say that we have the talk about police brutality, preparing

(02:59:23):
them for that, especially their boys. We must be focused
on what is happening in this country, laser focused on that.
We must talk with our family members. In those cities
where Trump is imposing his military desires, we must talk
among ourselves to prevent black people from if they choose

(02:59:47):
to demonstrate against that which we should. We must talk
to them about how to behave how to be because
he's seeking to provoke our ire, to upset us so
that people will then give him an excuse to implement
martial law, which would then bring about a surrendering of
our rights. So whatever we choose to do, as Doctor

(03:00:09):
King promoted, it must be non violent and it must
be careful.

Speaker 8 (03:00:14):
Number three.

Speaker 10 (03:00:14):
We need to promote political awareness in our communities. One
of the reasons that Tamalahara's lost is that millions of
black people did not vote, and there's no excuse for that.
Now we cannot afford it. We must vote as if
our lives, depending on which they do. Number four, the
discussion must be of this urgency in our churches, our

(03:00:38):
fraternities and sororities, in the PTA, etc.

Speaker 3 (03:00:41):
Etc.

Speaker 10 (03:00:43):
The next point is that elected officials and laymen should
hold monthly public forums that are also available by Zoom.
These should be teaching sessions and strategy sessions to promote
voter registration and general awareness of what's happening. In Los Angeles.
For example, doctor Rosie Milligan has begun holding monthly meetings

(03:01:05):
with aware black people. We discuss what we view is
going on, and then we go out and spread it
in the community. The number four, five, whichever number this is.
Since tre Donald Trump's election, many white people, latinos Asians
and others who support him are now disillusioned and regretting
their decisions. As a result, many of them are holding

(03:01:28):
weekly non violent demonstrations in various cities. If you want
to see a cross section of that, watch mn MSNBC
on Monday the Rachel Mattou Show. She usually goes the
review of that. I think that where appropriate, we should
join these people now that some of them have awakened.

(03:01:49):
We should take advantage of that to increase our own
ranks in terms of our opposition. Next, we should also
in the engage in demonstrations and protests where black people
are known for that, but we must concentrate.

Speaker 3 (03:02:06):
Now on it.

Speaker 10 (03:02:07):
There was an authority, several authorities have said that in
other countries where there've been this move toward authoritarianism, they
found out that if three point five percent of the
population rose up, it would be stopped. In this country,
that's about eleven million people. We as a people generally
guide protests and demonstrations. We must go back to that,

(03:02:31):
but it must be non violent because they know that
there will be resistance. They're hoping it'll be on the
level of violence so that they can enter again implement
military of martial law. The next thing, we should support
the Democratic Party. Now, some people I don't like Democrats.

(03:02:51):
What is your alternative right now? There is no alternative.
Support your local Democratic party and invigorate it. Usually they're
focus and voting rights and and UH set it uh
raising awareness.

Speaker 5 (03:03:07):
We should participate with that.

Speaker 3 (03:03:08):
Uh and know that with that.

Speaker 10 (03:03:11):
The next thing is our young people are critical and
they are very astute with respect to social media. They're
they're listened on their phones, et cetera. We must pay
certain young people who are unemployed, to pay them to
scour social media with the information at this about the

(03:03:34):
threat that exists, about voting, about becoming politically aware, about
being careful if they're in these blue cities where Trump
has put has this military presence. Through social media, we
must bring awareness to our young people, and so many
of them are unemployed.

Speaker 4 (03:03:53):
The Democratic Party and others should pay them too, because
they're on social media all the time to as I said,
scour social media and everywhere they are all over social
media to promote the whole idea of voting and political awareness,
of checking their behavior with respect to these military people
who've invaded our community, etc. But our young people are critical,

(03:04:17):
and again awareness today comes more through social media than
it does regular TV. The next point is that we watch,
you know, many of us watch TV, we watch, listen
to the radio, etc. But when they attack our community,
or when political decisions are made that we don't agree with,

(03:04:39):
we rarely write in or express ourselves. We need to
write letters that has an impact on the thinking of
people who read them.

Speaker 3 (03:04:47):
We need to.

Speaker 10 (03:04:50):
Call into radio stations, just like people do on your
station and voice our points of view. We tend to
worry about how we'll sound, and we may not be
able to write well. This is an emergency situation and
we must rise to that occasion, and it's open and
the society is open for that. Finally, as I said earlier,

(03:05:11):
we can stop this. We have the power and we
should again monitor what's happening, come out to oppose negativity.
Just like in these blue states where there are all
these the military presences, there large groups of people, as
during the sixties. If we come out an integrated group

(03:05:34):
of masses of people and oppose that, it cannot succeed.
And in that same vein especially with respect to the media.
If in any ways our community is degraded, we should
boycott the sponsors. This is a capitalist system and it's
it survives on the input of all these wealthy billionaires

(03:05:55):
and millions there They don't these people, can they it
can be stopped. In Los Angeles, we did that with
the Negro named Larry Elder who was attacking black people
three hours a day. And there's a gentleman by a
man by the name of Dennis Praeger who was attacking
black people three hours, three hours a day, six hours.
They were attacking black people. We met once a week

(03:06:16):
and copyed down all of the sponsors and the people
who met with us, usually around between thirty and fifty
people sent letters to them. We virtually shut down the
station because you didn't have to actually boycott, just threatened
to boycott.

Speaker 3 (03:06:31):
And we're very good.

Speaker 10 (03:06:31):
See white people assume if black people make statements like
cutting off their money, it's real, like it's happening with
Target right now. Many of these prominent ministers are promoting
that we have power, especially with as consumers, and if
things aren't going away, we just refuse to buy. What
will be the result of that. Number one, we can
save some money. Number two, we can buy black. Number three,

(03:06:52):
we can organize ourselves and see the young people in
particular can go on social media and tell their college
their friends, look, don't buy a Target, don't buy here,
don't buy there. This can be promoted. So there are
steps we can take to block this move toward authoritarianism,
and we should do it.

Speaker 2 (03:07:12):
All right, nine minutes away from the top, they have
a family just checking in. This is LaGrande Clegg is
an attorney in California, discussing some of the issues that
are facing us today. This is why we had this
program this morning called Black August The Conversation and instead
again rehashing some of the historical events of this month,
we want to look forward because we know there's a
lot of issues facing us, and this is why we

(03:07:33):
assemble these groups of scholars to help us out with that.
You want to mention to me that this is the
anniversary of the march on Washington to ny Clegg. But
when doctor King said, I actually went there for demands
a civil rights legislation, also with economic justice and also
call for desegregation. In your estimation as those issues still
in effect, is this doctor J. King's dreams is still fulfilled?

(03:07:57):
Those issues still facing us today?

Speaker 10 (03:07:59):
Oh, there are are facing us. As a matter of fact,
it's more perilous now in some sense. In other words,
there are many black people who are better off financially,
of course, and some of our young people are succeeding
very well. But whenever these things happen. Carol Anderson, if
you could read her work, she really lays out whenever

(03:08:20):
we start making progress, they block it. And this is
one of those times when these threats are so ascended
and facing us right in our faces. Exists right in
our faces. That is why it is critical that our
young people in particular be informed of this, because unlike

(03:08:43):
when we were young, and so forth and so on,
all the information was taking places in the general media, television, radio,
they are on social media and it's an excellent way
through which to spread information Back in this when they
were worth these protests, you didn't have the effort to

(03:09:05):
suppress Harriet Tubman and Jackie Robinson's contributions to America, for example.
You didn't have this effort to suppress the fact that
there was slavery in America. Do you realize, I mean,
these people are trying to claim number one, that slavery
was okay, it wasn't that bad, or that it didn't
exist at all. You follow at that time too, our

(03:09:28):
families were intact, so it was easier during the morning
when you got up to go to work or what
have you. Especially in the South three the Montgomery Movement
people would be talking about the outside threat and so
the children would be fortified before they leave the out
and you know, do this and you know that to
do that and you knowed to be careful. That is
what we must do again, particularly in these blue states

(03:09:51):
where again I cannot stress this enough, Carl. They are
trying to provokes.

Speaker 3 (03:09:56):
See someone last.

Speaker 10 (03:09:58):
Night on television was revealed that in Washington, d C.
The National Guard are picking up trash and because there's
nothing to do, I mean, there's no emergency, you follow me,
And so what he's trying to do. They're there with
their guns to be sure, so they can provoke black people.
But fortunately it is spread in the black community. Do

(03:10:19):
not incite anything. So if you've noticed there's been there's
not been there. There may be a few non violent demonstrations,
but there's no there's been no black uprising in terms
of their presence. Because it's spread in our community. They're
here to provoke us and incite us. Don't give them
an opportunity to do that. That's what he's trying to
do because he knows what he's doing is wrong and

(03:10:42):
not and not popular. As you see is his polls
reflect his popularity. So they're trying to proke that. And
what I'm saying is that just as we did in
the earlier years figured during the civil rights movement, we
must instill in each other, in our families to be
very cautious in how we uh carry ourselves to what

(03:11:06):
we do at this time, because again they're there with
this fantasy about violence and they're the need for response
to crime. They're trying to provoke us. If indeed Trump
wanted to eliminate the crime that exists, then he wouldn't
cut off funds to prevent crime. That's what he's doing
in city after city where he's introducing this, where wherever

(03:11:29):
he's had the opportunity, he's cut off programs and projects
that will that will reduce crime. So that's it's a
stunt to provoke the local community. So he will he'll
have an excuse to then implement, as I've said again
again martial law, which then automatically allows them to eliminate
certain rights and privileges that you have as a citizens.

(03:11:52):
So my you know, uh, to repeat, we have to
be visual. Yes, issues exist today that existed that and
it's and the the because they know the fragility of
our families, because the men have been taken out, you know,
and and and we don't. We're not as strong as
they once were. But what we could be the the

(03:12:14):
substitute for that, I think is to communicate by way
of social media and to inform our young people of
how they need to do that and as I said,
to try to hire them to do it as opposed
to work. If, if indeed we want to change it
lies in our Yeah, they're the ones with the energy.
They're the ones who have who are aware of what's happening.

Speaker 7 (03:12:38):
That's so true.

Speaker 2 (03:12:38):
And we have to cut it, the Attorney Cleak, because
we just flat out of time. But I want to
thank you for your contributions this morning.

Speaker 5 (03:12:45):
You're quite welcome.

Speaker 2 (03:12:46):
I found that's a tourney of the Grand Clak. I'm
me just thank all of our precenta, the doctor Tyren Powers,
doctor Ray Wimbush, doctor Edward Nichols, Professor James Small, Brother,
Tony Browner, doctor Jeremy Fox, doctor James tayl and of
course doctor le Grand Clegg, all of our guests for
participating in our Black August special conversation. Thanks Kevin keeping
us on time, and special thanks to missus Linda Hudson

(03:13:08):
who put this program together. Family classes dismissed for the day.
Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see
you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on
ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on FM
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