Kemetologist Tony Browder Shares 48 Years of Ancient Egyptian Wisdom

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're facing with the most submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You're facing with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Rocking and grand Rising family. And thanks for starting your

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Tuesday with us. Later, chematologist Tony Browner will be back
in our classroom now. Brother Tony will reflect on his
forty eight years of studies in the Nile Valley indicate
also his sixty eight trips to Chemrat and his fifteen
years of excavation work. And also Tony was going to
discuss his thirty nine years with Egypt on the Potomac.

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You've got to take that trip. But before we hear
from brother Tony Browner, founder of Black Laws for Justice,
Milik Shabonas will check him before we speak with the
councilor though, get Kevind of the classroom doors for us
this morning, Prime Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hey ring a ding a ling.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
The cal Nelson Shoe University is now open. So come
on everybody. There's gonna be copious notes to take today. Yeah,
I'm gonna be a test. You'll be tested on information
that you that you hear on this program. The test
will be by yourself, right, so you'll great be able
to grade yourself. It's a pop quiz. So how you

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feeling today.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Carl, Hey, I'm still learning, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, man, that's a that's a perpetual way to grow, man,
I tell you it is. What Tuesday, the nineteenth of August,
and all is well? All as well?

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
So so what's what's training in the news this morning?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
But first of all, I want to talk about the
team with two names or deciding on names or they've
got a name and the president as a name, the Commanders,
and they had a scrimmage.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
It wasn't a scrimmage.

Speaker 8 (02:07):
It was a.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Preseason game, right. See I'm terrible with sports folks, you know,
but correct. But they played the Bengals. The Cincinnati Bengals
won thirty one to seventeen. So the Commanders are beginning
their season, their preseason off, trying to you know, correct
the wrongs and accentuate the rights.

Speaker 7 (02:30):
I suppose, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know what's interesting about that they got one more
game left and they can play the Ravens. They do
and Baltimore. They sort of a rivalry is intensifying between
Baltimore and Washington as far as football is concerned, ribbets
on other levels as well.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, it's a major rivalry, you win, Baltimore is playing DC.
DC's playing Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, but what they did, Kevin, they scratched the scrimmage.
Usually the teams practice together and they sort of have
a scrimmage, you know, like like maybe a couple of
days before the game. Yes, they decided to know Whate's saying, Really,
why they decided to scratch that because emotions are going
to be high for the game, even though it's a
preseason game and it doesn't really count. But again, as

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you mentioned the rivalry, so I guess they would want
to leave any of that out in the scrimmage, you know,
so let's put it out on the field. So they
cancel the scrimmage and they and with all the other
preseason games they trained with their opponents and they had
a scrimmage with them before the real game. With the Ravens,
they decided, you know, let's just go to the real game.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well yeah, man, I mean, you know, besides millions of
dollars that these athletes make, I think that at the
end of the day, it's in their heart to play
the sport and play at their best, highest competitive level.
And so with it being the battle of the Beltwagh.
There's a lot to stand up.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
For right there.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I mean, we got some people that work here that
live in Baltimore and really fanatical about it. But then
we've got people who are Commander's fans who are really
fanatical as well.

Speaker 7 (04:07):
It gets kind of wild around here.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Carl, Oh, I know, mister Rick Chill is anyway, I
was not to talk about it.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Let's talk about him because he worked on this program.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
See his office, his whole office is it's both the
former team name and the current team name of memorabilia
all in his office. He's just got memorabilia. Rick Chill,
Rig Chill. He doesn't chill when it comes to sports.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Oh no, he does not. We got to give him
up here when football season starts, so because uh, Rick Chill.
Rick Chill works on our other station as well, but
he produced the show when we started, so he's well known.
Somebody be well known. Spoken to Rick Chill. Yeah, but
it's interesting, you know, Uh, you mentioned he's got both
names on it on the walls of his office. Uh
what do you think Dick Greby would say if he

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came back now and saw that and walked into his office.

Speaker 8 (04:59):
Oh so.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
Let me think that.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
You know, it's hard to think for Dick Gregory because
he was all over the place.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
Seems to me sometimes.

Speaker 9 (05:08):
But it may not be nice what he would say.
Look at this, you know, look at this so and
so because he called the Deadskins right exactly?

Speaker 7 (05:20):
Yeah, yeah, so uh.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Not only that, I guess Ron Thompson would get in
chills the case as well.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
You know, yeah, Ron's the Giants fan.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Oh yeah, that's Variety's from New York or he's for
New York. But see, and I just watched for the
entertainment value. I watch the events. I don't watch the
build up like this, you know, including this preseason Battle
of the beltwagh. I just I just like the event
of it, the rivalry of it, the house.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
So you're not emotionally attached.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
No, no, brun.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
You know the millionaires are gonna they're gonna still come
out and go to their mansions after it's over.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
True, and the players to pretty well off as well.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
So yeah, yeah, it's a pretty good gig if you
can get it.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
As I would say, hey, but look before we go
to brother Shabba's, look in other news man, the DC Summit,
the Europeans try to bend President Trump away from the Kremlin. Apparently,
the leaders of European and NATO countries presented a united

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front Monday with the Ukrainian President Voladimir Zelensky after racing
to Washington. Racing now. They raced to Washington hoping to
steer President Donald Trump away from some of the concessions.
He appeared ready to grant the Kremlin to end the
war in Ukraine. So after several hours of meetings several hours,

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sharp differences remained evident between the leaders and Donald Trump,
who declared that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready for peace,
as he has continued his bombardment of Ukraine and demanded
that Kiev makes sweeping, painful concessions to stop the war.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
What do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, whilst they were meeting, he was bombing Ukraine, right,
you know, while I'm meeting, He's dropped him. He's going
crazy on Ukraine. So the question is, though, Kevin, is
what's going to be his response? Noticing so far he
hasn't said anything. He's had a lot of time to respond.
The Kremina has a lot of time coming to respond
so far, crickets, but he may respond today, or he

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may or his response with probably no response and continue
attacking Ukraine. So we'll see. Because one of the things
he doesn't want Ukraine to do is to join NATO,
because if he joins NATO on this, I think Trump's
on his side that he shouldn't join NATO. Why shouldn't
he join NATO then, because if he's attacked, then all
of NATO gets involved. Because what we're just looking at it,
probably we're on the precipice of World War three, depending

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how Putin reacts, because he wants more of Ukraine. He
wants more of that country. He wants them to give
up their land, and uh, they're not willing. They're not
gonna give up any more land. They said, no, we're
not gonna give up any more land. But what we're
gonna do we're gonna buyu We're gonna buy military weapons
from the United States and back by the European leaders
that you saw at the White House. So they're gonna
put some of that bill. Because Trump has been, you know,

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implying that he will no longer support Ukraine. I guess
that's a deal he cut with his boy Putin with
weapons to defend himselves. So the European says, well, we'll
we'll put the bill. You just you just provide the artillery.
We'll write the check, or most of the check at least.
So that put him that checked to you know, uh Trump,
because usually his leverage was not to give them any

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more weapons to fight against Russia. But yeah, because he
wanted them to up it, and he knew that. He
knew that uh Lanska didn't have the money to do,
so that's why he bought his friends. He got he
got some backup this time because the last meeting he
had he was ambushed, you recall, and JD. Vance jumped
in j D Vancy and said anything this time around.
So this is interesting. Uh. And it's more than fear.

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This is reality here because they understand the gravity of
the situation. I just hope that Donald Trump and Putin
do have the same you know, understand the same thing.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
I believe that the President is busy working hard to
get that Nobel Peace Prize, but this bombing is going
to be the obstacle to his peace deal, insulating Ukraine
from having to choose between the concessions and inviting Trump.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
To I don't know show more force.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
But he's certainly saving money that way by having the
Europeans paid for it.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
But Zelenski says he's ready to meet Putin.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
According to the BBC News, he's ready to meet Putin after.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
Trump calls him.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
And so he and the European leaders are are in
agreement that calling Putin might help. And I don't know
how that will.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
That would do, Kevin will show that if Putting is
serious about stopping the war. Putin wants wants parts of Ukraine,
a strategic part of Ukraine. That's that's that's what he wants.
So he played Donald Trump on Friday, you know, he
all that was theater for him. That was to show
back his friends in Moscow that you know, here I
am with the United States meeting on their turf. I'm

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riding in Trump's car. Uh and so we got to deal.
We're gonna get Ukraine, he promises that, you know, that's
that's the word this backing being played out in in Russia.
So you know, Trump didn't win anything at that meeting.
And now that's and that and and that's what Ukraine saw.
That's why they came with a with a with a
backup group. If you will to help them with that

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argument so he wouldn't get bum rushed like he did
the last time.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
What President Emmanuel Macron I said that right from France
says that he agrees with the President that a ceasefire
is not needed to negotiate ending the conflict, and German
Chancellor Friedrich Marios urging for the ceasefire. So there's still
enmity or or you know, contention between everybody involved in

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this thing. One group thinks that it's, uh, what a
war four piece while the other things that it's a
fight for territory.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
Is that that's what makes the.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Difference, right, you know, the whole thing is, it's not
what's on the chess table, it's the persons who planed
who hold the pieces. It's Donald Trump, That's what guess.
That's why they had the meeting with Zelansky before he
went into the meeting with Trump, and they coached him
what to say, how to do, how to respond, and
they told him to flatter Trump. And you know he
thanked Trump if maybe about twenty times in the meeting.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Man.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I mean he's just thinking and thank you and thanking
and thanking him because they say, hey, just flatter I mean,
he'll he'll bend over after you just flatter him. And
it looked like kind of work because he didn't come strong.
He all that boisterous he was showing about when he
left Alaska. That's at dissipated in the meeting on Monday.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
So we're gonna keep our eye is open for that
and we have to yeah, yeah, stay in prayer if
you are looking at that that way. Hey, look, finally,
Hurricane Aaron is moving closer to the East coast and
is staring up powerful and dangerous currents. So they're closing
beaches in New Jersey and the Delaware beaches, prohibiting swimming

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so that Hurricane Aaron won't be caused too much damage.
I suppose officials in Wildgate and Margate, New Jersey and
rehomee With Beach have already prohibited swimming as a precaution,
and you're allowed on the beach, but you will not
be allowed in the water. So you know, our prayers
go out to the people in the wake of this

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hurricane too as well. And that is they say, is
what's happening today.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
All right, thanks Kevin cool All right, thirty minutes of
the top of a slam laking my brother, Attorney Milisha
grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 10 (13:04):
Plan Rising home. Can you hear me clearly?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, we can hear very clearly.

Speaker 10 (13:12):
Okay, great because I'm overseas, but I'm happy to be
on the line.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Wow, where are you this morning? Can you share that?

Speaker 10 (13:21):
I don't want to say, but.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Okay, not too far.

Speaker 10 (13:25):
I'm from Libya and that's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
All right, we'll hold that right there. Since you're in
the region. What are your thoughts though to what we
just had the discussion with Kevin about what was going
on with that meeting with Zelensky and and the European
leaders and Donald Trump? How do what was your takeaway
from that, brother Malik, Well.

Speaker 10 (13:48):
All of it when you put it all into context
Trump's big summit with Vladimir Putin? Then what is ski
in the European leader's reaction to it? I would be
remorse if I didn't call it a All of these

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are meetings amongst certain kinds of gangsters, and and so
when you see President and these are use the words
of Cornell doctor Cornell West. So when you see uh
President Trump meeting with President Putin, these are two gangsters.
And and that's why some people are shocked at the

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cord or how cordial they are, but they couldn't be
too shocked at how cordial Trump is with Putin. Look
how cordial and telling he is with nt Yahoua. And
so Trump understands Putin. Well, Putin wants his influence, and
he wants what what Russia feels as they they paid

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the blood price for Ukraine. I mean, in Russia's opinion,
there would be no Ukraine if Russia hadn't fathers and
Sebastopaul and freed Kiev and and and deep back the
Nazis or or Napoleon before the n and and so
that's his sphere of influence. And Trump wants his sphere

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of influence. And Zi Lensky just wanted to be another
member of nature. That's what he wanted. He just wanted
to be a He just wanted to be a Western
backed man, even to be a Western puppet. He still
wants to be a Western puppet. He's willing to give
up all the minerals in his country and everything. So
h you know, I don't know how much it all

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has to do with us as as African.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
People you know, and that was going to be my
next question.

Speaker 10 (15:43):
I see it as I see one big impears. As
my stepfather said, he reagreed together. And here's the big devil,
Donald Trump. And here's a little devil Putin, and here's
a baby devil over here is a Lenski. But all
of them, I just can't. I can't give any back
into any one.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Of us hold that thought right there. Council, we got
to step aside for a few moments, and that was
going to be my next question. How do we relate
to what's going on? Is this something we should get
involved with or something we just sit out and just
watch them play out. I need to answer that question.
We get back, and also let's talk about the fact
that Donald Trump has put federal troops on the streets
of Washington, DC. I want to get your reaction to

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that and if it's legal, does it matter if it's
legal for Donald Trump? It seems like he controls the
courts as well. Seventeen half the top they have family.
We've got to step aside for a few moments and
we come back. You want to join our conversation with
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Speaker 1 (16:46):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks for waking up with us
on this Tuesday. Morney, I guess it's the founder of
the Black Lawys for Justice, Attorney of Leadership Bazz. So
we see somewhere and we're discussing first discussing the big
meeting between Donald Trump and the Zelenski and the European
leaders at the White House. And the question is, Attorney Melique,
does that concern us? Is this something? And when I

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say us, I'm I'm speaking about black people the entire
Dashport African brothers and sisters and brothers in the Caribbean
or the south south central America. Where would be Is this?
Is this a fight for black folks? Is this something
that we sit out?

Speaker 10 (17:45):
And this is something that you can gain knowledge of
political science from and you're just knowledgeable and you're political scientists.

Speaker 11 (17:55):
You gain.

Speaker 10 (17:57):
Knowledge from watching war in Ukraine and the relations between
the US and Russian But we had to be clear,
it's not the same as a conversation between the United
States and Russia or the Soviet Union. They're saying the
nineteen seventies or the nineteen sixties. At that time, this

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is the Soviet Union was different than present day Russia.
This as it relates to African people or the African
liberation struggle and the struggle between communism and the American
West or the ca capitalism in the West. At that time,
those meetings were more important to us or the African

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world because a certain amount of liberation movements or developing
states had aligned with the Soviet Block or the Socialist block,
and they received a certain amount of arms or funding
or support from the Soviet Union. I'm talking about African

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liberation movement too, unidentified as Marxist or or socialist or
communists and so forth. But this is a different Russia.
It's a different Russia these days.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (19:16):
Vladimir Putin is uh he's operating in his own interest
or the interests of of Russia more so than app
operating from any kind of a socialist worldview or or
or broad change. And so if you look at his
actions when he was in Syria, Russia, he's supposed to

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be back in by sheer our outside and well when
they when the rebels are and West came for outside
or he didn't do anything.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
He didn't.

Speaker 10 (19:48):
He had planes and he had air capacity. He didn't
do anything to to back outside other than give him
a house in Russia.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (19:57):
When when Iran, when I came under attack for israela Uh,
he's made some nice statements, but.

Speaker 12 (20:07):
He didn't.

Speaker 10 (20:08):
He didn't do anything.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
He didn't.

Speaker 10 (20:10):
He didn't back around up who's sending him drones into Ukraine?
He didn't. He didn't send a Russian military assets or
put one Russian body on the line. He didn't even
make a threat. So uh, he clearly is operating tactically
in Russia's own interests. And and we know Trump is
America first, and and so at this time it has

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limited relevance, It has limited relevance to US. And and
even though Russia gives some support to the Sahel States,
some supports, it's it's not really strong support. And and
maybe all of this is good because this will be
a new age of African and black independence where where

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we understand that that he's not either one white man
or another white man. It's gonna help us out this condition.
We've re take control of these resources ourselves and stop
producing our own arms and munitions and defenses. And that's
probably a good thing for at the.

Speaker 13 (21:09):
End of the day.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
All right, thanks for your analysis. Now let's move on
to the troops on the streets of Washington, d C.
Donald Trump is placed in there.

Speaker 14 (21:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I understand that it's armed. They're going to be armed.
And some more states are saying, I mean some of
their uh uh, you know troops as well some of
their uh National Guard to help. I just don't know
how many they need because Washington, d C. Isn't that big.
So they've been flooding the streets of Washington, d C.
And question is, some people say they're needed because the crime.
There's a serious crime problems, not just in DC, but

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ain't know all of our inner cities, and we have
not taken the steps to control that some of our
young people, you know. But some people say that it's
an overreach. How do you see the attornement leak Shabbas.

Speaker 12 (21:56):
I agree with.

Speaker 10 (21:59):
The National Guard coming into Washington, DC, and I see
it as very dangerous and I'm praying out there that
anybody that's listening in our area sees it equally as
dangerous and regardless to how dangerous of the community do
you live in now. This is not the nineteen nineties.

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This is not nineteen eighty eight, nineteen ninety one, when
this when Washington, DC was the murder capital of four
hundred and fifty or more murders per year. This is
not that time. And so this is all overhyped by
the Trump administration and by Trump himself. This is all overhype,

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and they're testing our population to see how much we
will take, how much we will bend over before their
ultimate plan to wipe us out and destroy us is
carried out. So right now they're testing and probing further
than ever before. We haven't seen the National Guard on

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the streets of Washington, DC since the nineteen sixty eight
rebellion inspired by Stokely Cormike on others in this city,
up on Fourteenth Street. And there's no justification or need
for the National Guard checkpoints all over the District of Columbia,

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rolling checkpoints, constitutional violations, people being detained, arrested, embarrassed, ceased,
in violation of the Fourth Amendment, ceased. And I'm surprised
that more black lawyers in Washington, DC are standing up.

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I'm in is a heck of a subject. I'm anxious
to get back home right now, but i want to
make it clear that every person in Washington, DC, no
matter what's going on in your neighborhood, you must stand
and resist the National Guard coming into Washington, d C.
You must resist the takeover, on the militarization and the

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occupation of Washington, d C. And you must do it
by all means necessary. And I'm pledging the support of
Black Lawyers for Justice and attorneyshibazm. I'm going to be
at the Metropolitan Police Department headquarters on the twenty six,
On the twenty six, seven days from now, one week

(24:35):
from now, I'm going to be there and there will
be a counter. So there's a lot to talk about here,
the mayor's how she handles in the reacting, and certain
community people accepting it, and others that have given up
hoping high ties and the gentrification, and really there's also

(24:57):
a party of whites in DC that support this h
It's a lot to unpack and I'm glad they have
a chance to unpack it. Just wanting very dangerous.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, well we're going to talk about it. And before
I take a coffee, the fact that you said we
should resist, it doesn't have play into their hands. Isn't
that what they want? Some sort of resistance, some sort
of revolts, gets physical, and then it gives them an
opportunity to go in and mow down some of those
people who actually resist, and then hopefully for there on

(25:26):
their side, they'll hope that they'll bring up the brothers
and sisters across the country will do the same thing.
And that's where they come in and you know, and
start attacking us, our people, and then ended up with
martial law. Some people see that that story.

Speaker 10 (25:40):
How do you see, Well, I think martial laws already
in effect. I see Montreal laws. As I'm saying, they're
they're prouding us to see how much they will take.
And then when the argument is made that that resistance
will increase the crackdown, well okay, well then how much

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are you fitting to bend over? So I'm talking to
anybody out there who thinks like that, well, how much
are you willing to capitulate to avoid confrontation? I mean,
just the bottom line too, it that it's supposed to
be a civic society and no military force is necessary.
There's already enough military force with the existing police and

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if the black community need to take a hard look
at itself as we've gotten to the point where where
our seventeen eighteen twenty one, five years old, we've lost
control to the extent where we're willing to accept the
National Guard coming in to help our community because because

(26:51):
because we can't handle it as a community, and the police,
who's separate to me from the community, they can't handle it.
So we we called the military in. I mean, we
got to be out of our minds and we've got
to be we should be run off of the planet.
I mean white people wouldn't accept this. White people wouldn't.
Only black people are gonna sit up here and get

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except all of these uh flawed chains of logic that
justify military occupation and oppression. Now, this is division against
black people. This National Guard presence in Washington, DC has
nothing to do with white people, has nothing to do
It has to do with protecting gentrifiers. It has to

(27:35):
do with an ultimate plan to to to to make
the black people and the problem there's so much of
a problem. We got to bring the military in and
it need to be resistant by the car I'm surprised
that it didn't more resistance. I mean, if some arrests
are going to be made, they need to be they
need to be they need to be made resisting. I mean,

(27:59):
why go passively? Why go passively? I mean, I'm sure
in Nazi Germany at some point that.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
That was the logic.

Speaker 10 (28:09):
Let's let's passively get in these box stars and let's
not fight back because the nazisas don't kill us, And
let's passively go a over here to this concentration camp,
and we better not rise up because they're gonna shoot us.
I mean, they might put a few of us in
the gas chambers, but some of us are still here.
I mean, all of these are just Uncle Tom philosophies

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that are gonna get us killed. And Trump knows if
he's got a He's a beast that lives by instinct,
and he knows if he has a scared or afraid
of poet Ian. Look at all the mayor did. Mayor
Bosa did all she could to appease Donald Trump. She
went out and got a scrub brush, got out on

(28:52):
the streets of sixteenth Street, got start scrubbling up the
sidewalter to wipe out black lives matter. Say here, boss,
I'm gonna come out here. I'm gonna wipe it all
up for you'na scrib it up for your boss, and
and we're gonna work it out. But missus Trump, We're
gonna work it out.

Speaker 15 (29:08):
Master Trump.

Speaker 10 (29:09):
This is give me my budget and I'm gonna I'm
not gonna be that black. I'm gonna wipe it all out.
We say, all right, Nick gro wipe it up now.
I'm coming and taking over your half of your authority,
taking over your police force, taking taking it over, man,
I mean bending over. It just doesn't work. So you know,
we gotta live for something around here. And my name

(29:32):
is I'm sorry. If I'm offending anybody on this line,
I really.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Don't mean to.

Speaker 10 (29:35):
It's nothing personal. I just want my people to be free.
And I'm tired of us being pushed around like roaches
and and and being shoved around and now occupied. And
I'm embassed at my city of Washington, DC is now standing.
I'm stronger, but but but I'm gonna stand. They might

(29:57):
have to take me in on Tuesday. I'm gonna be
at the metro Politan Police Department headquarters at twelve noon
on Tuesday the twenty six and I want anybody out
here to come stand with me, because Black Lawyers for
Justice is gonna sue from every National Guard officer and

(30:18):
every police officer cooperating with the National Guard. We're gonna
sue them in their individual capacities. And this is coming
from the Board of Black Lawyers for Justice. Some of
our strong ones are outraged. We're gonna sue them in
their individual capacities.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
So that every.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
Officer knows that as he's out here operating in this occupation,
that his personal house, his personal car, his personal finances
could be directly affected by legally detaining people in legally
violating their rights on violative checkpoints that violate the Fourth Amendment,

(31:03):
that the somebody is going to go after them as
best we can should be stronger, but as best we
can so so so we fighting back in and and
if it makes things rougher, then makes it rougher. And
and if they have to, if I have to be inconcentrated,
it won't be the first time. So so it's just
take me right on into MPD when I finish. If

(31:25):
if if you if since if you're gonna take away
the First Amendment two and take it away and take
me on in and we take it from.

Speaker 13 (31:32):
There, all right, twenty five way down from getting me.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Out, twenty five way from the top down. And he
wants to do this in several cities as well. And
Mark is calling from Baltimore. Is online too, uh once
you talk about getting on the conversation with you or
tournament lak Grant rising Markey on with Malik Shabaz.

Speaker 15 (31:51):
Yes, a good morning, gentle and guest. I am here
in Baltimore, Maryland, forty miles north northeast of Washington, d C.
We also are concerned about the possible police police federalization
here in Baltimore as it is happening down in the
nation's capital. Now, Baltimore is a sanctuary city because we
have a lot of undocumented workers from outside the country there,

(32:11):
and one of the premises of this occupation is trying
to round up these workers that then send them to
what Alligator Island in Florida whatever, all their way out
of the country. Now, let me also say this that
from what I was told by community leader yesterday is
that unless the documented person here is a MS thirteen

(32:34):
gang member or some real violent person, Baltimore police is
really not going to be cooperating too well with ICE.
So my question is, what is your opinion as far
as the documented workers told they also good to get
some sort of protection here since they've been here for
those who've been here peacefully for a long time, because
that's one of the attributes of this that but it

(32:56):
will take over and not just Washington, but you know,
cities like Valetimore, for example, coming up soon. I don't
know how soon that's going to be because they won't
get them out of here because the centray cities are
in cooperating with the ICE and all the federal goings on.
So what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Thank you very much, Thank you, Bob. I'll tell you
what hanging on, Counsel. We got to step aside and
get caught up with the ladies and trafficking news in
our different cities, and we come back now. Let you
respond to Mark's question about ICE, the ice rays that
are taken place across the country, mostly in democratic cities.
He's targeted New York and LA especially LA. I want
to get your thoughts on that. Is that legal eight

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hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy
six a bunch of folks already want to talk to you,
Attorney Malisha Bars. You want to join the conversation though,
reach out to us and we'll take your phone calls
after the news trafficking weather, that's next.

Speaker 1 (33:52):

Speaker 3 (34:15):
On ground rising family events of working up with us
on this Tuesday morning. I guess he's attorney in Melik
Shabaza Tourney. Shabaz is the founder of the Black Lawyers
for Justice, and he's overseas somewhere this morning, and we're
discussing the takeover of Washington, d C. And the impending
takeover other cities as well, including in LA and New York.
So our last question was coming from Mark in Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Four.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'll let you respond to Mark's question. Let me just
remind you accountable. Later this morning, cametologist Tony Brown is
going to join us. Late this week, you're gonna hear
from former FBI agent doctor Tyron Powers, DC humanitarian brother
Sinclairs Skinner will be here, and also public Enemies and
Minister of Information or former Minister of Information, Professor Grateful
join us. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure
you keep your radio locked right here on ten ten

(34:58):
WLB or if you're in a d MV nine point
nine and am fourteen fifteen w L. All right at tourny, Malik,
I let you respond to what Mark Schadam. We got
a bunch of more folks want to talk to you
as well, Yes.

Speaker 10 (35:11):
Sir, and I want to give us a strong shout
out to all of those great leaders, including Professor Griff
that you mentioned and all of your other greats who
come on this on this platform when his solidarity in
the stay of this time that we all come together
in the United Front. I don't on this question of

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sanctuary cities, is what the caller asked about him and
how what should we do about the sanctuary city questions?
As that's part of the motive for coming into these
cities is to with the National Guard and federal troops
is to is to also enforce Trump's immigration crackdown. Now,

(35:56):
I'm not one of those fb A leaning persons. It's
called FBA A Foundational Black America. I'm not one of
those persons because many times their positions donald Trump's positions,

(36:16):
and I can't be going with Donald Trump or hardly
anything of mostly nothing, Okay, but I don't have anything
against the brown people. I'm offended ICE agents running around,
military police picking people up off the streets many times
that these people hardworking people, Uh, they're not, they're not,

(36:40):
They're not the true criminals. The true criminal is the
one that's arresting them. I mean, it's just got too
much apocracy in it. I mean, America wants to enforce
a border, strictly enforce a border that she's strictly stole
and killed to obtain. And so so I mean it's
another point. Our solidarity is what I'm saying. I'm in

(37:02):
solidarity to to those that have sought sanctuary here and
and I'm against Ice bend In in the community at all.
I'm just anti ice, you know. And so so that's
how that is, And that's part of the motive. And
maybe some of that will appeal maybe maybe as crazy

(37:23):
as it sounds, that some of that will appeal to
some fools out here. Well, they say, well, well, we're
coming in. They coming in to get the immigrants. They're
gonna come in and get the immigrants child and and
so that's why we don't have a national god. We're
gonna bring them in because we're gonna, we're gonna get
our country back. And I mean, you just sound crazy
with this talk, man, like you've literally been out of

(37:46):
out of your mind. You know, our our country, our border,
and we've been driven out of our mind. And if
doctor Kalin Muhammad said, we can't even say our minds.
And so I mean, what Donald Trump is doing, and
even though it's wicked and intent, the net result of

(38:08):
it is supposed to be in theory that black people
are supposed to come together with all of these right
wing military occupation, insult Africa policies, the net result of it,
in theory, was supposed to be black people coming together
and rising up and practicing self determination. And but it's

(38:33):
not happening fast enough for me or strong enough for me.
I'm mere to advocate for it, but I got to
see something better than this, this laying down and staying down.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
All right, hold on all right, because they've got a
bunch of folks who want to talk to you, counselor.
Let's start with Jane in Pikesville, Maryland. He's online three
Grand Rising. Jane, you're on with the Turning Malikshapbiz.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Yes, a green Rising. Guys, I'm glad Mark called.

Speaker 12 (38:57):
In mock loves in my neighborhood. I live in pille
in Baltimore, which is in Baltimore County above seven mile Lane,
and we most people probably hear us talk about above
Northern Parkway, which is in the city part of the
Jewish community. One thing that that that irks me is

(39:20):
and it's literally gas lighting, is when we talk about
the Jewish Holocaust. We don't talk about the the African Holocaust,
but we know we referred to it in other terms
other than what it was. And so after the Civil War,
the ninth and tenth Cavalry we know them as the

(39:42):
Buffalo Soldiers. Their job was mainly to pacify the apache.
When you're I'm I'm ex military and when I got
out of service, my activism was centered around the anti
war movement, veterans against the war in Vietnam.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, and Gane, do's your favorite putting the question from
because we have a bunch of folks who want to
attorneyship out question, why don't why.

Speaker 12 (40:08):
Don't we understand what the commander in chief is, you know,
set aside Donald Trump, and what the job of those
who have to follow the commander in chief and whatever
his policy is. You know, how come we have a
to me a non understanding of that? Sir?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
All right, thanks, gene counselor.

Speaker 10 (40:34):
Okay, I'm trying to capture his question again. Could this
become I'm trying to get it right now, the commander
in chief? What is what is your question on the
commander in chief?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
What is the job?

Speaker 12 (40:46):
That's very simple, What is the job of the commander
in chief?

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Set aside Trump? Let let Trump go?

Speaker 12 (40:51):
And just what is the job of the commander in chief?

Speaker 10 (40:56):
Okay, brother sir? This is this is politics more wan
is the job of the commander in chief? Supposed to
be Commander in chief is a military title, and that's
supposed to mean that that he's the ultimate military authority
deployed me that would allegedly, allegedly protect America from all

(41:19):
enemies foreign and domestic. Okay. And so the question is
why would why would the president who's supposed to be
a civilian elected president, why is he using his commander
in chief status to deploy military apparatus in the cities
of America unless he sees somebody as an enemy foreign

(41:46):
and domestically. And that Eney means you, brother, you are
the enemy that this National Guard and this Federal Police
have been identified as the enemy in their war tanks
and their think tanks and their private meeting rooms. Your
black face, your black profile is the one on the wall.

(42:10):
You are the enemy, and your sons are the enemy
as declared by this so called commander in chief, and
your babies are the enemy. And then moving right now
to let you as a sign of what's coming down
the pipe, when you see the military vehicles coming down
the block and coming after these military parades, know that

(42:32):
the tanks are coming next. Know that they will open
up the DC Armory and they've done it to the Japanese,
and they'll put your black behind in the DC armory
and lock you in there. And what you're going to
do to get out it is if this is the

(42:54):
commander those commander in chief okay, who is in scriptural
terms called that book cut Neza b Elsible uh called
under other names in prophetic terms, uh uh of pharaohah,
but not the real pharaoh. Okay. That's what you're dealing with. Brother,

(43:15):
You're dealing with everything that we constantly talk about on
this program, but you're seeing it in material reality. Okay,
and and and we're not gonna get around it. And
we're not gonna get around it.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
So so just let me up in here and ask
you this, though, Council. Should should we be concerned? Should
should we be concerned Atlika? Because you mentioned earlier they
picking up the undocumented immigrants? Should black people be concerned?
Could we be next?

Speaker 10 (43:48):
Absolutely? Absolutely, every time there's a justification, if he's the
justifications to eliminate parts of populations, the members and now
we've already been softened up to accept genocide abroad. We've
been softened up to accept the fact that human rights
doesn't matter, softened up to accept the fact that the

(44:11):
United Nations and its rulings and the International Court of
Justice and the rulings don't matter to America. Okay, now
you're being softened up to to see the occup occupation
of your communities and and under any executive order or
or any type of maneuver you can be we can

(44:32):
be sent back to concentration camps. Absolutely, we can be
detained indefinitely. They're planning it. They're planning it. They just
want to see how much we don't go for it.
And all they need is there a few little crimes
or murders, some of which they could plant. I mean,
all Washington, DC needs right now is just somebody three

(44:56):
or five or six white people to be killed on
Capitol Hill somewhere around Georgetown by some black man, and
they come on the news heavy, and and and it'll
it will increase further. I mean, the handwriting is on
the wall, and you can't you cannot accept any of this.
If you accept some of it, it's a slippery slope

(45:20):
for you to be taken by all of it.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
All right, what happened?

Speaker 10 (45:26):
I got another sister here on the line. She's what
I'm from the Black Panther movement, uhh. And just her
name is Sister and Zinger. And in the spirit of
doctor Khaleb Muhammad, she's she's she's pushing the million youth rally,
million youth rally, which is gonna be in Anacostia Park

(45:47):
it's a federal park now on September sixth Saturday. And
so also what's happening is that September sixth Saturday and
Anacostia Point is it's going to be a rallying point
for for for black community forces and black nationalist forces
who who love our youth and want to protect our

(46:07):
youth that are not with this demonization of our youth.
So I'm hoping she can come in and join the conversation.
But we want everybody to know that you did the
Black Panther movement and black people that are strong or
all be invited to Anacostia Park on Saturday, September sixth
in the name of doctor Kylid Muhammad and and and

(46:29):
they're not going to.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Be in there.

Speaker 10 (46:30):
That's a federal park out there, and we want you
to come out there, okay, because because e A going
I'm gonna be out there with some folks. Is not
laying down. So I hope she's on the.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Line, Okay, Well, hopefully she is online. If we come
upon a break and we got a ton of folks
want to talk to you from across country as well, family,
you two can join our conversation.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
Keep my answers short, okay.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I guess it's atturning. Malik Shabazi's the founder of the
Black Laws for Justice. That's group that does a lot
of pro bona work in our community, and he's responding
to the fact that now that Donald Trump has put
the federal troops on the streets of Washington, d C.
It's also threatening to do the same in New York,
and he's threatening to do the same in Los Angeles.
Two democratic cities and two democratic mayors, black mayors, whatever

(47:16):
you like. You see the profile already. Baltimore's on the
list as well. You see the profile. They're all the same.
So what are your thoughts? Reach out to us at
eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we'll take your phone calls after we check the
trafficking weather in our different cities. We'll do that next.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
You're rocking with the Most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
You're racking with the most submissive.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
And grand rising family. Thanks of waking up with us
on this Tuesday morning. I guess he's the founder of
the Black Lawyers for Justice. His name is Attorney Malik Shabaz.
He got a question about what's going on in Washington,
D C. The troops on the streets and it's coming
to near to a city near you. What are your thoughts?
Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.
Bobs call us from Buffalo. He's online four Bobby a

(48:29):
question for a tiny malik.

Speaker 11 (48:31):
Yes, sir, blessed love family.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Hope you can hear me.

Speaker 11 (48:35):
Sound went different in these times where there's lawlessness, where
the chief executive can have charges wiped out, and where
he can pardon people who were convicted and did the
things they did in January sixth, can we have confidence
in the law and is there any way that the

(48:55):
international law can be applied to give us assistance this time?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
A great question, Thanks Bob.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Welcome sir.

Speaker 10 (49:05):
That's a great question. And UH have to be blunt
on the second question to say no, that there that
there's nothing in international law or international court or international
military force that can stop what America is. President of

(49:25):
the United States of America is doing. The only checking
ballant here and this structure which is hanging, hanging by
a thread is the authority of the federal courts and
the Supreme Courts. Uh, those are the only authorities right
now that it has been shown that if either the
Trump administration or their lawyers will even partially abide by

(49:50):
but they're fighting back against that every day. This world,
my dear brothers ran by the rules of the survival
of the fittist and rule by military's forces not ruled
by UH ethics or values, okay, And so as men

(50:12):
we have to face that reality. And when we face
that reality, and as men, we're gonna we're gonna do better.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
You know.

Speaker 10 (50:19):
I'm I'm I don't always agree with Mary about Muriel
Bowser on some of her policies. However, as a black man,
to UH to see a black woman being disrespected like that,
I'm not happy about it. I'm not happy to see
a black woman man in any city, even if I

(50:40):
don't agree with them all the way, I'm not happy
to see them handle by the white man like that.
And and as men, we should be offended when we
see a black woman being handled like that. And every
black woman need to know the white man is handling
them or trying to handle them like that, that there's
a man on the scene that's at least he's angry

(51:00):
about it, at at least upset about it.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
So let me jump in and say right, and let
me jump in here, brother Malik and say a shay
to what you just said. Yeah, I just want to
say shay to what you just said, because because you know,
at Tourney, Malik, we had some people in the district
who were criticizing Mariam Bowser. They were taking the side
of Donald Trump, and it's it was surprising and shocking

(51:28):
to me. Well, I shouldn't say shocking, because not everybody
thinks race first, you know. But I'm glad you put
it the way you put it. We're not going to
start throwing stones on our people and be on the
side of the oppressor, no way. But some people in
the district started, you know, attacking her, and I was like,
why are they attacking her? If you don't like what
she does, just shut up, you know, you know. But

(51:51):
I guess they don't listen to this program, so they
don't understand how the system of racism and white supremacy works.
Playing right into that system doing what the what the
oppressor wants you to do without him have to lift
a finger. But I'm glad you pointed that out.

Speaker 10 (52:05):
Yes, sir, that this time we would prefer even though
we have differences, we have to close ranks. We have
to close ranks. If it's a choice between Miria Bowser
and Donald Trump, it ain't even a choice. It ain't
even a choice. We don't even think about the choice.
So the black woman has to have support, and maybe
they would be stronger if they knew they had stronger

(52:27):
support from US. I don't know, but I do know
right now that they've disrespected that the mayor of the
District of Columbia has been disrespected severely, and I don't
like it.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
All right eight five zero seventy eight seventy six. Lewises
in the district is calling on line four grand Rising
Lewis Young with attorney Malik Shabaz. Your question for him.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Good morning attorney, Good morning, Brotheran Nelson. The thing that
me most of all is number one, we did have
an insurrection in the nation's capital a few years back,
and he pardoned how many people. I don't know regarding

(53:15):
the insurrection, But now I'm wondering two part questionnaire. Does
they or Bowser have a legal team because the consensus
that I gather here is the only way you can
bring military into a city or state if you will,

(53:37):
if there is an insurrection, or if there.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
Is a.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Level of rioting, and all these other things which would
grant the president the president. I'm not speaking of this
guy because I'm like John Lewis, He's not my president.
If he has the right to go into a city
because of those res It amazes me that I haven't

(54:03):
heard that from Mayor Bowser's team yet, that this is
their legal and an attorney. I really respect you for
your giving here in terms of you going to the
police station. I wish I could meet you.

Speaker 10 (54:17):
There, but my hipp is not in that condition where
I could.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
But this is bothering me on that level that this
guy thinks he can just go in there bring the military,
and we know it's in a legal process's because the
only way you can do that. First of all, her military,
by law, cannot fight against the citizens of this country.
You can't harm them, that's by law. So it's in

(54:42):
a legal process that they're even there. But it's amazing
to me that Mayor Bowser and her legal team hasn't
even mentioned this fact that we had an insurrection. Why
didn't you bring the military in then? And here we
are nowhere near and an insurrection and the military is
in our city. It just it's repulsive to me.

Speaker 10 (55:04):
All right, I think it's spot on with your analysis.
It's spot on with your analysis, and the hypocrisy, uh
is evident. However, the District of Columbia has has has
gone to Court District of Columbia has won some a

(55:25):
rulings or some uh some basis, has fought back legally
in and under the threat of restraining orders, has has
at least got in the National Guard or the federal
government out of the direct control of the Metropolitan Police Department.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (55:48):
We can debate the value of that, but but I'm
just saying as a as a legal fact, the Pamela
Smith is no longer at this moment supervised by the
head of the DEEA, and she was just ousted, basically
taken over. So technically the police department back into the

(56:10):
hands of the district, with the National Guard having authority
to be here for the short term. Lawfully, the National Guard,
pardon me, lawfully, the National Guard is under lomly under
the governor's control of states and to be used in

(56:32):
times of extreme emergencies. And the President has limited authority
over them, and and he's testing that all over it's
tested into Los Angeles and threatening to test it. But
he can't keep them there forever without approval. Partner, I'm
so sorry about the phoning, and so legal challenges are

(56:56):
coming and some are being effective. So I would say
that the District of Columbia has mounted some legal counter attack,
and I expect more and and what I see the
mayor doing is trying to walk a fine line. I'm
sure she'd much rather point out all of the hypocrisies
and be much stronger and what she says about Donald Trump.

(57:20):
And but on the other hand, I'm sure that the
mayor's saying that she has agencies to run, and she
has budgets to fulfill. And this is a city that's
that's basically, it's not a state, it's under own rule,
it's it's a it's a federal mandated city. And so
I guess as a protective person, what she's trying to

(57:43):
do is to make sure that that she keeps the
agencies running and the jobs running without this mad man
just cutting everything. So she doesn't have an easy job.
She doesn't have an easy job, and so and so
therefore on he has my support on this.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Well, let me jump in here, counselor this issue, and
she has.

Speaker 10 (58:05):
My support on this, and as long as she doesn't.
It sick the Metropolitan Police Department to try to prove
a point, and they go out here and start violating
everybody's rights because you don't have to violate people's rights
to do your job or to start crime. As long
as the MPD doesn't start doing this to an extreme,

(58:30):
and you know, I guess we'd be okay, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
There'll be right twelve after that talk around. We got
a little delay here because Attorney Malik is overseas. But
from what I understand, that councilor said the president can
every thirty days. It's just for thirty days. You can
do this incursion if you will, whatever you want to
call it, putting the federal troops on the streets of Washington, DC.
And he's already said he's going to extend it again

(58:59):
for another thirty days. So his legal team had told
him what he has because it's no home rule, talked
about home rule, and he said that's a joke. So
the question is now what to Washingtonians, not just black Washingtonians,
but what the Washingtonians period think about that? Because he's
under his rule. He says it's the home rule for him.
He says, that's a joke. That's a quote from him.

Speaker 10 (59:23):
Okay, Well, and so this is where this is where
every whatever your political space is is, you're going to
be tested. If you say you're statehood activist, all the
statehood activists, whatever race you are out there, Okay, this
is okay, balls are your court?

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (59:42):
Where where is your voice at? And where is your
presence at?

Speaker 8 (59:46):
Right now?

Speaker 10 (59:47):
Okay, let's talk to the white left. Where where is
the white What happened to the white left as Donald
Trump just wiped out the white left? I mean, so
so all of that would be a question for them
to answer. And and with one thing that we see
right now that there's not a strong objection. There's not

(01:00:10):
a strong enough objection collectively from the legal community and
the lawyers that I know and that we know in
the city. There's not a strong enough objection. There's not
a strong enough collective objection. There's this and and shockingly,
there's some brothers and sisters in southeast Washington, d C.
They call them for the National Guard, I mean, and

(01:00:32):
that that's embarrassing, that's backwards an embarrassing. So I think
that the news of the day should be that Washington,
d C stands up and pushes back in in in
whatever way. I mean, what would would doctor King, What
would doctor King do if he was living in Washington,
d C. What would doctor King do? Malcolm X was

(01:00:56):
living in Washington DC, What would Malcolm X do? Harry
Tubman was living in Washington.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
D C.

Speaker 10 (01:01:02):
What would Harriet Tubman do? I mean, if a side
of Chicoula wasn't exiled in Cuba, you know? What's what?
What would she do?

Speaker 14 (01:01:10):
You know?

Speaker 10 (01:01:11):
So we can't turn. I'm trying, not that we don't
want to just turn and blame each other. We're not
the problem. But but uh, you know, we said this
when Trump got elected, that he would that this crackdown
would make us better. But this is not just a theory.
This is a real crackdown. And in order to get better,
we're going to have to confront our fears and confront

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our weaknesses. And and I don't necessarily want to be
a target of this net and this mad man.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
In my city.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
I don't. I don't want to go out here next
Tuesday at the at the Metropolitan Police Department headquarters and
and and have all of these boys they already know me,
but have them refocused on me and Malice Shabazz and
and Attorney Shabazz and he's the problem, and and look
like he's just the sore thumb sticking out. But they

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don't need the hassle right now. But how can I
avoid it? How can I avoid it? I got I
got the youth here that need a man to stand up.
I got my I got I got children, I got
my daughter here that's worried about. You're talking about moving
out of the country, and so so I'll be embarrassed
to go back to my child and go barrassed to

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go back to my family and tell them that I'm
supposed to be a black lawyer fighting for justice. I'm
supposed to be a freedom fighter. And they say, well, daddy,
what you're doing? And and I got some sorry excuse,
I'm finna go sit.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Down on the couch.

Speaker 10 (01:02:38):
Hell no, I'd rather you have to come get me
out of jail. I'd rather they have to come get
me out. So so it's all right, Washington, d C.
I just want to let y'all know that I don't
know how I want to bring on a Zinger and
the others. They'll tell you about the youth, and that's
just my position. I'm hoping y'all agreeing with me, and
if y'all do come to the metric other than police

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Department headquarters. Next Tuesday at twelve noon, I'm gonna be
on the fund steps and we're gonna be I'm gonna
have some of my lawyers with me. I'm hoping they
have Attorney Donald Temple with me and others. And I
want every community leader that's that's against us to come
with me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
All right, hold that door the way, take a quick
break when we come back. I think we got in
Zingo on Jena with us from Washington, d C. As
we continue to discuss this subject. Family, you too can
join us. You want to speak to Attorney Malik Shabaz,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Next Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
A grand rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us.
At twenty minutes after the top of they out of
Attorney Malice Shabaz, the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice,
discussing what's going on in the streets of Washington and
see Donald Trump has put federal troops are there, as
you know, and it's also threatening to do the same
in New York, LA and where else. I think Baltimore, Chicago.
As you look, I mentioned the profile of those cities,

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who runs those cities or the plical flavor of the
persons who run those cities all seemed the same. But
what are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight to seventy six to speak to Attorney
Shabaz jna is calling from Washington, DC Online two Grand Rising,
Sister Jane, You're on with Attorney Malik Shabbaz.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
Grand Rise and grand Rise, and I'm here. Good morning,
doctor Sabez and everyone the state of Washington DC. Right
now that the National Guard is it's like being a
revolutionary It's a gambit, okay, because we've been training and

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preparing and trying to get people prepared for this for
a long time, ever since I've joined the Black Panther
Party on the Black Panther Movement, and now that the
enemy is at the gate, everybody's trying to figure out
what to do, you know, And I just wish that
we were more proactive in our efforts to properly inform

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and train the people for these things, because just running
out in the streets fighting the National Guard is not
a good idea. I don't believe that's a good idea. Yes,
we should stand up to them for our rights. I
don't like how they're treating Mary Browser and the chief

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of police, this Pamela Smith. I've met her several times.
She's great. She was changing and making a big difference
here in Washington, d C. With her presence, and just
for him to come in and just disrespect these queens
like this, it's terrible, But this is who the people
voted into the office. We knew Trump was gonna get

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a second term. We knew what he was gonna do,
and he has done every single thing he said he
was gonna do, you know, So we got to start
paying attention. I believe that's the biggest thing right now.
Right now, we need to just watch how far they're
going to go with this takeover in Washington, DC. You

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know that's just my thing because I'm a DC resident.
I live in the city, and it was getting bad.
We had several children that were killed and crossfires from gunfiring,
drive by shoes and things right here on Fourteenth Street.
I live on fourteenth Street Northwest, so it was kind

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of different. It was scary walk on the streets. You
didn't feel safe or whatever. But them being here don't
make it feel anymore better. It's just quieter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Well, let me jump in and ask you this question, though,
is what would you say to the people who say
there's still crime is still a problem in DC? You
know nothing all of it. So, and we haven't addressed
the problem yet. So now Donald Trump promised to do it.
He's doing it now. So the question is why we
upset because we haven't handled a problem ourselves. What's your

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response to that?

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
Yeah, because we haven't been properly trained though, to organize
our own communities. We've lost the sense of community, you know,
with these different energies and things that's going on here
in DC, we don't have that sense of you can
stay outside, to the to the to the street light,

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come on and trust your kids to be outside. You can't.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
We don't have that anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
We don't have that connection that we desired. Like what,
I'm forty seven, and when I grew up, everybody neighborhood
knew my name, knew my parents, knew everything. Now we
were walking around total strangers and we live in the
same buildings. We don't have that connection no more. There's
no positive vibrations unless you have to go to those

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places that are created, creating safe places. You know, my
my sense, and I can't speak for everybody in d C.
But I always wanted to be in safe spaces that
had been created and you know, where you don't have
to keep looking over your shoulder, word about somebody running
up on you with a gun or robbing you in

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different places and stuff like that. But we don't have
that anymore. There's no there are wrecks, but then you know,
there's no like just gathering places where you can just
be comfortable.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
They just last and be chilled.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
And I get that, I get that's just. But but
the problem is the people who see that. That's you know,
we talked to try on right to the councilor tray
On right now, let me turn in. Malik jump in
on this as well. He said the week before Donald
Trump made this movie, he said that the National Guard
should come in because the crime is out of whack
in his area.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
I look back in my archives and I saw what
Treyon had been asking.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
But see that's the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
The National Guard is not in the places where they're needed.
They're out Georgetown, They're not in Southeast. They're not over
there in Southeast where it's the literal war zone where
you can't drive through and do the things you do.
They still like last night, three people just got shot
in the same spot, So where's the National Guard? Are

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they not being directed in the places that they need
to be here they you know what I'm saying, Like
if they were to go over there and really show
their presence in Southeast south of the River or whatever
to protect the citizens, not just locking people up randomly
like they literally at Union Station just randomly searching people cars.

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But it's crime going on in Southeast, it's people, you know,
Like they're not really attacking the people that are that
need to be off the streets you know, that can
make the neighborhood safer and everything like that. Like I mean,
my god, Like did they not look at the status
Like the crime rate was getting going down in DC,

(01:10:42):
but it was still present, Okay, so why don't you
target the areas where it was high, you know, red
zones instead of ordinary citizens. Ain't too much going on
up here on Fourteenth Street for them to have a
roadblock like that, It's not it really ain't. They get
a couple of illegals possible, but they mostly got people

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that would just like, get off our street. We don't
need you up here. They needed you in Southeast out
in Southeast every week, every day doing something for the
community and for the people over there, because it's a
war zone. It's literally a war zone, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
All right, let me get that. Let me get Malik
uh to address that issue. Attorney, we talked about yon, right,
and before Trump came in. I want to get your
thoughts on that, because he said that the problem existence.
Sister just said there is a problem. Just said, three
people got shot last night, so obviously there's a problem.
How do we deal with that? How do we how

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do we you know, how do we deal with that issue.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
In the same spot like they live.

Speaker 10 (01:11:53):
Get clear, to get clear on the fact. Here are
we saying that that White also ask for the mass
of God?

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
Was that?

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Yes, yes, there's an article years ago.

Speaker 10 (01:12:06):
Okay, so let me st like that. Let me get
in my position. That's my position and my position only.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:12:12):
I'm not for the National God being anywhere in the
district anywhere. And I say that then being in Georgetown
or other areas speaks highly to what they're here for
they're here to protect white people, and we don't need
them to come and solve black people's problems. If we

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need the National God of Minnesota Avenue and in the
areas we live in there, and we might as well
give it up. You know what happened, What happened to
the Million Man March, what happened to the nation of
this life, what happened to the New Black Panther Party,
what happened to black men in this city. The only thing,

(01:12:56):
even if this reactionary, the only acceptable response, even if
it's reactionary, right now, is to be mass meetings amongst
black men saying that this is an insult that we
even in this position, and it's an insult for this
sister here as a black woman, because in Zinger or
Janee on the phone to be saying our community is

(01:13:17):
a war zone. If it's a war zone, and the
damn combatanto black youth, where the hell is the black man?
We should beat the hell out of every black man
that is not standing up organizing right now in this hour.
I hate to beat us in this hour, but if
anybody's gonna have the finger points, it's gonna be us
as black men and we should go into emergency reactionary

(01:13:40):
responsible status right now. I mean, black men should be
everywhere on the streets of Southeast saying hell no, I
don't bring the tanks in here. I'm as a man
standing up and I'll do what it takes to take
the gun out of every other black youth hand who's
killing each other or otherwise convert them into a black
army of defense.

Speaker 8 (01:13:59):
So I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
Listen, and you know I've been.

Speaker 12 (01:14:06):
I've been in these streets.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
I'm really in these streets in the in DC.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
The black men are not showing up. I so wish
it was a man in my position that could command
an army or military or put some training together or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
We have tried. We have held training camps, We have
begged these men to come and protect our streets. We
can take care of ourselves, but they have got to
come forward. Like I'm a whole female, but I've been
out here, just like the men watching the streets and patrolling,
you know, with the little troops that we do have.

(01:14:45):
You know, we have organized, we have tried, you know
what I'm saying. And it's not like I enjoyed to
sit back watching everybody else in the streets patrol, you know, protesting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
And Second System singing twenty nine away from the top.
What's the brother say when you tell them that they
need to come and help and protect our community. Are
you saying you can't get any helper? What's the reason?

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
They just don't? They don't have no hope for this
young generation. They don't have no structure. Like it's a
distinect somewhere. You know, the older men and the younger
men clash on the streets and they like they angry
with each other. So it's like why should I help them,
you know, and I can't get no help myself or whatever,

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you know what I mean. And then then as a woman,
you totally feel unprotected by these streets and by the
men in the community right now. It's awful. It's not
the same. It's not the same time, is not where
everybody looking after each other. It's every man for himself
out here. And then most of these older men, and

(01:15:57):
I can say that they are the ones that are
have the authority to train and teach these young people something,
but they turn their back on you know what I'm saying,
And they and they cursed them out and they argue
with each other like I have slee it with my
own eyes, you know. And then they still some of

(01:16:18):
the older men still want to be in the street
like they the man or you know, instead of being mentors,
they trying to be in competition with these young boys,
you know. So it's just thrown up or they own
drugs or they don't, you know, they're not in the
man that there are a lot of men that are
just standing up and being men.

Speaker 8 (01:16:39):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Like my dad wasn't one of the original panthers here
in DC. A long time ago. We left stuff. We
left DC in the eighties right before the crack epidemic
because he saw it coming and he was like, ain't
no way I'm gonna raise my young family in this mess.
He got us out of here. I came back on
my own because I I was thinking this, you know,

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this is home for me. DC is home to me.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
But when you see the.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
Condition of the people and you look at the dynamics,
DC is like two different cities. Everybody sleeping on the
ground on outside. They look like me, you know what
I'm saying. It's like, well, where are the white people
that are homeless and where's the you know, where's the
Chinese people that are homeless there? Where are these other
people going? All I see is people that look that

(01:17:29):
are downtroul and looking like me, you know, like something
is wrong here. It's supposed to be the nation's capital.
Everybody was supposed to used to be a sanctuary city.
So what he's doing now is destroying the sanctuary in
the city. There ain't safe for nobody to be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Here, no more right thought right? Because we're come up
on a break and it's twenty six away from the
top are but you've you've got a million youth gathering.
I want you to tell us about Can you share
that with us?

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
Yes, the Million You Rally on September to sixth, and
what we're doing is asking all the advocates for the
youth to come together. This is going to be a
global youth rally. We call it a million Youth Rally
to commemorate the twenty sixth anniversary of the Million Youth
Rally that doctor Collin and attorney elik Zulu Shabaz organized

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back in New York. Because nobody has done this since then,
Nobody has targeted the youth and really brought them forward
with futuristic ideas, like we have a group we taught
we're working with called Take Back our Children, and they
have a state of the art studios, music studios, recording studios,

(01:18:48):
visual arts, everything that we're building around the country to
prejict to the youth to give them the opportunity to
do things that they like and that they're interested in,
this video gaming or whatever. And as far as us
in the Panther for movement, we want to train with

(01:19:08):
the youth. We want to teach them about robotics. We
have a drone technician that's gonna come out. We have
a training camps that we host every every season, and
we want to just just get them mobilized and get
them on a positive structure, however which way we can.

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With them being targeted in Washington, DC the way that
they are, they need something to stand on, you know,
And I know that there are millions of groups of
people advocates here in DC. We're just asking them to
come out, fellowship with us, meet with us. We're gonna
be this youth rally this year is gonna lead up

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to the one next year that's gonna be even more bigger,
and we want to have this every year, something for
the youth to come forward and look forward to being
a part of. So that's what we're doing on September
sixth at Anacostia Park. We're going to start about eleven am.
Go as long as we can give all the youth

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activists a chance to come forward and speak to the youth.
We're gonna have some poetry, if we're gonna have spoken words,
We're gonna have some musicians come out, and we're gonna
have doctor Beliek come out and speak to them on
what does it take twenty years late, twenty six years later,
What does it look like for the future of our

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youth in America, Black youth?

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
What does it look like?

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
What do they listen?

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
Looks like?

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Sins stamzin, applaud of you what you're doing looking out
for our young folks and listen. Call us back before
September six and we can get into it more deeply.
But we've got to take as I think, well, we
got to check the news and traffic. We've got some
more folks want to speak to Attorney ma Leak Shabatz.
But I thank you for your call and thank you
for what you're doing for our people. Thank you for
putting some of the brothers on Black do and not
doing what they should be doing. Family is twenty three

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minutes away from the top of they are. Our guest
is Attorney Malik Shabaz, and we're discussing the fact that
they're putting troops on the streets to Washington, DC and
what's high response, what are your thoughts reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight
seventy six, won't take your phone calls. That's the news
that's next.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Thank Grand Rising, family, and thanks for sticking with us
on this Tuesday morning, the nineteenth day of August twenty
twenty five. With our guest Attorney Malik Shabbazz. He's the
founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. A bunch of
folks who want to still want to speak with Attorney Malik.
Also coming up after Attorney Maleik, we're going to speak
of cameautologist Tony Browner is going to reflect on his
year years of discovering and training and looking at the

(01:22:09):
Nile Valley. We're going to tell her all about that
with uh brother Tony coming up next and Later this week,
you're gonna hear from a former FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers. Also,
DC humanitarian brother Sinclair Skinner will be here, and Public
Enemies Minister of Information Professor Griffill join us. So if
you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep it right
of lockt in real tight to at ten ten WLB,
or if you're in the DMV, we're rolling on FM

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ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty w L.
All right, brother Malik, I'm gonna take some more calls
for you. TM's reaching out to us. He's in the district.
He's online six grand rising, TM. You're with the tourney,
Malik Shabaz.

Speaker 14 (01:22:44):
Excuse me, good morning, good morning. I'm an get this
done very very quickly. You got some other callers here,
outstanding preditation. The sister there great to hear her store.
Bullam's sad. You almost had me split up my whole
meal when you said that you was thinking about getting.

Speaker 15 (01:23:04):
Arrested or you might just do that.

Speaker 14 (01:23:07):
Who wanna get you out of jail? Suppose I come
down there. I need a wonderful attorney.

Speaker 16 (01:23:12):
So I need for you to be out so you
can get us out.

Speaker 14 (01:23:16):
Let me in.

Speaker 16 (01:23:18):
Let me let me hear this by saying, I was
at ninth and P.

Speaker 14 (01:23:22):
Church when you came and gave a wonderful presentation about
going down to Lafayette Park, all right, when doing sixteens
and ten's first term. And I attended that event based
on what you said that particular day, and you brought
your compadre down there and tore that joing up down there,

(01:23:42):
right across the street from a lighthouse.

Speaker 8 (01:23:45):
Okay, sir, A lot of us know how to follow directions.

Speaker 14 (01:23:52):
And things of that nature. Let me say, this man
showing up is a wonderful thing. I really appreciate that.
But common sense is good sense versus nonsense. That's what
we're going through, mister attorney Shabbats in terms of what
this sixteenth and ten guy. And let me end this
by saying, every so called dictator, if all this planet

(01:24:15):
has met a fate, all right, forties that all right,
staff here, it is for a wile where country. He
was a sub basement. And the guy over there that
island or whatever, we got him. We got Ben Lardenship.

(01:24:38):
So eventually's gonna happen. We just don't it's gonna happen.
And in terms of DC National Guards. You know, turny shitbags.
Ain't everybody know each other. They went to high school there,
elementary school though. DC National Guard.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
It's the god folks we should be concerned about.

Speaker 8 (01:24:56):
Like that's the jennifery about sending four hundred.

Speaker 14 (01:24:59):
Folks in games. Are no DC culture like that sister
was talking about. If you want to find out about DC,
talk about people who live here, got a property here
like you got I got, and people who were mostly
born here. You no Cali, you were born there. That's

(01:25:23):
all I wanted to ship. But this is our presitation,
outstanding brother, I appreciate right, Thanks dem.

Speaker 10 (01:25:34):
Honey, Yea, I was a couple a couple of quick points.
I want to say that. No, I don't want anybody
to be afraid. We're just making an announcement on the
twenty six at Metropolitan Police Department headquarters. And and I'm
going to make the same announcement to right now that

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if that if your constitutional rights are being violated in
the District of Columbia, that if you're being detained at
checkpoints without reasonable suspicion, that if you're being taken out
of your car or you're being searched and there's no
cause to do so. My name is attorney my Leak
Shabans and on behalf of black Lord's for Justice. I

(01:26:17):
want you to text two four zero six eight eight
zero seven three five two four zero six eight eight
zero seven three five if your rights are being violated
in the District of Columbia by the National Guard or
by police working with the National Guard. I want to

(01:26:40):
know about it. I want to hear about it. I
want to see the evidence. I want the video, I
want the reports. And that number again is two fourth
zero six eight eight zero seven three five. On another level,
I want to give out one more number, and I
want to say that if you are a black man
in the District of Columbia on the surrounding Maryland area

(01:27:04):
and uh and if you and if you would rather,
if you would rather try to solve this problem, whether
they're conceding it to the to paramilitary or National Guard forces,
I want you to texts to zero two three six
nine nine nine eight six two oh two three six

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nine ninety nine eighty six on August to thirtieth in
southeast on Nelson Place and the address of twenty nine
twenty five Nelson Place on Saturday, August thirtieth, at eleven am.
We would like to see every black man, every tribal leader,

(01:27:52):
every leader of every posse, every concerned black man that
does not believe in military intervention, even if they from
the National Guard in DC. We want you to come
to twenty nine twenty five Nelson Place right off Pennsylvania
and Minnesota and come into our meeting. Police need not come.

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We want to see black men come. And we hate
to be reaction there, but we are in a crisis.
That's August thirtieth, and you would come out and see
the leadership of the Afro Descendant Nation, the Black Panther Movement, Attorneyshabaiz,
and any other black man that says that we're not
gonna hear the fear that we heard from these sisters

(01:28:35):
on this phone and tolerated the fear that the concerns
of sister and Zinga and the Mayor's out here by ourselves.
If you are a black man and don't want to
be embarrassed in this hour and don't just want to
be mowed over by Donald Trump, come on August thirtieth,
Saturday at eleven am, twenty nine, twenty five Nelson Place.
We're going to be in the strategy room dealing with

(01:28:58):
this and honored you boy. I've been around DC since
nineteen eighty four. I've seen it and worked for maryon Barry,
and I've seen it all. And I hope I have
some of your confidence.

Speaker 15 (01:29:11):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
All right, and let me ask you this a nine
away from the top day. It puts on your legal hat. Now,
if we're stopped by the National Guard, or is it
the same as we're stopped by the Metropolitan Police, or
what are our rights? That's my question.

Speaker 10 (01:29:29):
The same constitutional rights supplied regardless the agency. No officer
operating under the color of law can detain a person
without reasonable suspicion, meaning that if you have not been
specifically there's not articulable evidence that you have been involved

(01:29:54):
in a crime, then you cannot be searched and you
cannot be seized. When seizure just means that a person
has control over your body and you're whereabouts and you're
not free to leave, you just can't do it. I
don't care if you're from the National Guard or not.
I don't care for the so called state of emergency

(01:30:15):
or not. Nothing Trumps the Fourth Amendment. Nothing Trump's reasonable suspicion.
There must be probable calls to make an arrest. You
cannot just arrest somebody. You cannot hold somebody beyond thirty
minutes or more. Even if you have reasonable suspicion. You
can't just hold them forever. Hour, two hour, taken down

(01:30:35):
to the station, put them in the back of the
National Guard truck for a couple of hours.

Speaker 11 (01:30:40):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:30:41):
You you have action in the court. And when we
and hopefully we're gonna get enough momentum for a class action,
this would be if this phone line rings enough, I
want y'all spread this number around for police issues only
two four oh six eight eight o seven three five, okay,

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And that's the legal number. And if you are, if
you're a man and you were embarrassed by this, a
black man embarrassed by all of this, and numbers to
text is two oh too three six nine ninety nine
eight six. Because we're going to be out in the
streets this weekend and next weekend we're gonna be preparing

(01:31:27):
for that million youth rally and for that big effort
in Anacostia Park, and and there's some other things going on.
I don't want to make it so so we're just
trying to say we're doing our part. Brother, We're now,
we're not over promising. We know we got big forces
we're dealing with and uh and so before I go,
I do want to.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Say that, uh well, we got some mother folks want
to talk to you before you go that come.

Speaker 10 (01:31:52):
In way and quick that I got to make an
announce when anything.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Goes okay, brother Sayku is online three and Baltimore six
away from the top of the aucaony, making real quick
for us. Brother Shanku, Oh that's all right, that's pass okay,
I'm bachelor at bar in DC online four. Can you
make it quick for us? You have a comment or
a question for any out.

Speaker 8 (01:32:11):
An attorney Malice, Zulushi, Bobs and all those network of
people that are working on just our legal issues and
working on revolution, helping.

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
The people with the people.

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
And we support your efforts there coming off of a
Marcus Garvey weekend, we support your effort with the Million
Youth twenty eighth anniversary, and we love you so much
and we hope that we can get all of the
WL our listening audience out to Anacostia Park on September
fifth and sixth, and we really thank you doctor Bossa
sharing that he's put his life on the front line

(01:32:43):
from college days to adulthood and immaturity as a very
firm law practice and now we're proud of his episode
over the years. So we're proud to be associated with
you and your network, sir, and thank you, all right,
all right, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
I need to be with you.

Speaker 10 (01:33:01):
I'ned to be with you, and there will be brother
elim Igbard and it's helping. It's going to be at
this August thirtieth leading on twenty nine to twenty five
Nelson Place of Black Men as leaders. We want to
see you on that day. And I only want to
say I don't mean to say that. I know I'm
an attorney in my job is to get you out

(01:33:21):
of jail. But I'm just here to tell you that
well we attorney out matter. Because God rest his soul.
He used to tell a famous story about how when
he was in the courtroom when he was the lawyer
for a man named Willi Bostick, and it came to
a point in time where the court was a was oppression.

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Willi Bostick, an attorney out to the matters, would tell
us how he put his body on the line for
his client. Willid bostickgever not only willing to be his lawyer,
but it was willing to do whatever it takes in
defense of his client. And I just and that's my spirit.
But I don't want nobody to be scared. But that's
my spirit, and and we honor you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
Email acbar all right, I know you got to run.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
But a quick question for you for away from the top,
A tweet question, he says, grand rising, Will you ask attorney,
should we always show our ID? If ask if they
ask you for ID, whether the National Guard or the police,
do we have to show them?

Speaker 10 (01:34:22):
You do not have to show You do not have
to show identification unless you are being detained, if you're
being lawfully detained, Well, how do I know I'm being detained?
Asked the question am I free to leave? That's what
you must ask first. The National Guard police are asking
you questions. First question you ask, am I free to leave?

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And they know they must declare where if they declare,
you're not free to leave? And you know that you're
being detained. And if you're being detained and you have
to show ID. If you're not being detained, then you
don't have to show ID. It is because the police
officer asked you for your ID does not mean you
have to show it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
All right, I think we got to run. We've got
we've got the traffic of weather coming up on the Counselor.
But thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.
All right, family, we gotta go. Traffic weathers next, America.
Thank you, sir. Traffic Weather's next. We'll speak to Tony
Brawdo as well after this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
You're fucking with the most awesomes the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for staying with us
all morning long. Now turn our attention to our next guest,
happens to be chemicitolgious Tony Browner. Tony's going to reflect
on his forty eight years of studies in the Nile family.
Grand Rising Tony, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
Grand Rising Carl Nelson, how are you doing, my brother?

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
I'm still learning, brother, I'm still learning, and I know
I'm going to learn some stuff this morning as well
from you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
All right, Well, it's my pleasure to add to the
learning and to do with WL has become famous for doing,
and that is to bring on guests who are seldom
heard on other radio stations or television stations, who provide
information that wakes up Black folk and gives them the

(01:36:44):
tools to begin to coordinate how they will move through life.
So WOL has been a blessing to the DC community,
and I thank you so much, Carl for allowing me
on your ways once again.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Right, and we've added WLB in Baltimore as well to
the party as well. But let me ask you this, brother, Tony.
We just had the conversation about the National Guard on
the streets of bault of Washington, d C. Your reaction first,
before we get into a chemist, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:37:18):
To be perfectly honest with you, Carl, I knew this
day was coming. It was inevitable because if you live
in d C, or worked in d C, or moved
throughout the city, you can tell the things that shifted
and things that have been shifting for quite some time.
You know, for the most part, people have been saying,

(01:37:41):
the politicians in d C and the area have been
saying that the crime is down in DC. Crime is
down in most urban centers, it is spiked during COVID,
but then slowly but steadily, it's been coming down. But
even though it's been coming down, it's still off the charts.

(01:38:01):
And all one has to do, Carl, is forget watching
the news and reading the newspaper to get your information
about crime in DC or Baltimore, Rush, Chicago, or any
other city. Just walk around the city, walk through the
black neighborhoods. Specifically, stand outside of the elementary school or

(01:38:24):
middle school or high school, and watch how these young
people are moving through the streets, how they move through
the city, how they move on public transportation, the metro system,
the buses, the subway systems. And as you watch children
and listen to them talk, you can tell by their
behavior that something has shifted, and that shift has not

(01:38:47):
been good. That shift has been towards more aggression, more
disrespect towards elders, and it's become progressively more viable. So
it was also clear that we were going to be
coming to this point. And the other point that I
want to make is after the George Floyd moment of

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twenty twenty, then you saw police officers intentionally stepping back
from patrolling certain communities. There was this outcry for, you know,
banning the police and holding police accountable, and what many
police officers did was that they took a step back

(01:39:33):
and they allowed things to get under control. So it's
been a convergence of disorder and confusion which has led
to this moment. And we can't forget Carl that. Also,
what has been happening specifically in DC over the past
thirty years is this thing called gentrification, where white, young

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white people primarily have been moving back into the inner city,
moving back into black neighborhoods, black communities, and hand in
hand with the recolonization of urban centers by young white
homesteaders is that white folks don't tolerate the crime and

(01:40:19):
the violence that black folks have been socialized to accept
as normal. So they demand that increase police presence, They
demand that the streets are safer, and that you have
stop lights and stop signs at intersections where black people
and particularly the black children have been injured and killed

(01:40:40):
by cars. For decades, everything shifted, and what becomes clear
if you just look at shifts in patterns, what becomes
clear is that black lives don't matter until white folks
say they do. Right, if you were to look at
changes in neighborhoods, neighborhoods that now have signs that say

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traffic has to stop for pedestrians when they're in the crossroad,
and those pedestrians that you see a white folk now
and for a young black person to see this change
in their community, it sends a message to them that
says black lives don't matter until white folks say they do.

(01:41:25):
White lives are more valuable than black lives. The police
will respond when a white person is beaten or robbed
or kill, but when that happens to a black person,
there's no real concern. And so what we're seeing now
is what we're seeing in DC now for the last

(01:41:45):
what is nine going on ten days is supposedly because
a white MAGA staffer was beaten. He was drunk and
he was beaten. There's this move now to take control
of this so called lawless city of Washington, d C.
That is a ruse that is being used to nationalize

(01:42:12):
the police forces, if you will, and to make DC
safer for white folks by the removal, by the arrest
and ultimate removal of black volk. So one can't help.
But believe that if this taking over of police departments
in urban cities that are led by predominantly black mayors,

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if that increases, then where is that leading to? What
is that going to lead to? And I put this
out here for your listeners to consider. It wouldn't be
too far fetched to assume that as more young black people,
an increasing number of black females are being arrested, have

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been arrested over the last couple of decades. Now as
they are arrested, they're going to be detained. And who's
to say at some point in the near future that
those who've been arrested and detained will be detained in
privatized institutions. Now institutions that are financed and controlled by

(01:43:22):
local and state governments, but private institutions. And who's to
say that with the recent agreements that the current president
of the United States made with West African leaders last month,
arrangements that have been made to send detained immigrants to
South Sudan, that agreement has already been signed and to Liberia.

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So who's to say at some point in the near future,
when the jails are over Floyd with young black people,
that they won't be sent to Africa. They won't be
detained in Africa. So one doesn't have to be a
prophet or a rocket scientist to understand how this nation

(01:44:08):
has always feed the people of African ancestry treated black
and brown people. One can begin to see forces in
power now who have taken off their hoods and are
behaving more racist than we've seen them behave within the

(01:44:29):
last fifty sixty seventy years that racists. Those racist intentions
were always there, but they were a bit more subtle.
Now it's as though the hoods are off and people
don't care if you call them racist. Leaders don't care
if you call them racists. What's clear is that they
want to make this country a safe haven for white people,

(01:44:53):
specifically white men, put them back in control. And all
of this is leading to that. The question is what
are people, the people who are being oppressed, going to
do in response to this? And so in that analysis
you've got two responses. One is a reactionary response where

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people go out into the street and protests and pick
up arms against the FBI, ICE and the National Guard
and police departments. And if that happens, that's gonna lead
to an even harsher, crackdown, or find another means of

(01:45:36):
addressing your concerns. So we're at a crossroads called where
just singing and protesting and praying ain't gonna work. It
is not worked thus far, and becoming aggressive against well
armed police forces is not gonna work. That's a recipe

(01:45:59):
for for death and destruction. So we've got to begin
to start thinking about this situation differently and developing new strategies,
testing new strategies that will yield results that are more
favorable to the well being of black and brown people
in this country. And this is where we are. And

(01:46:21):
so it's going to take people thinking about this protracted struggle.
This is nothing new. This is something that we've been
dealing with in this country for over two hundred and
fifty years. This country is going to celebrate its two
hundred and fiftieth birthday next fourth of July. But these
things were set in motion over three hundred years ago, Carl.

(01:46:44):
And it's going to take thinking about it, deeply, thinking
about it with new strategies, thinking about it from a detached,
unemotional advantage point in order to find solutions that will
be more permanent and will give black people the outcome
the desires that we want and.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
We deserve all right, thirteen after top to our family.
That's Tony Browner given his analysis of what's going on
in Washington, DC. Right now, we're gonna get to his
forty eight years of studies in and Ole Valley. But
Money Mike has a question for you, brother Tony. He's
online one grind Rising Money Mike, you're on with Tony Browder.

Speaker 17 (01:47:22):
Good morning, mister Browder, Good morning call. I got a
simple question. Who allowed it? Mister Browder? Who allowed it?

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
Yeah? Well, look, let me be let me be, let
me be honest with you. And there's enough blame to
go around. There's enough blame to go around when when
one is analyzing the problem, one always has to say,
what did I do to bring this problem to my doorstep?

(01:47:54):
And if we're honest with ourselves, we can say we
did a whole lot they can inhibited to this problem
visiting our doorset. I'm a person who's always been an advocate.

Speaker 17 (01:48:06):
You got something that you want to add, Yeah, we
did a whole lot of nothing.

Speaker 11 (01:48:12):
That's what we did.

Speaker 17 (01:48:14):
We did a whole lot of nothing. I'm talking about
our mayors, our city councils, the people we elected politicians.
They run on the premise of solving problems, but guess
what they come up with, no solutions.

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
We've had our crime in.

Speaker 17 (01:48:30):
Our city since the eighties, since crap came about. We've
had homelessness, we've had housing shortages since the seventies. We've
had a loss of jobs, a loss of education. We've
phoned money at education every four years, every time there's
an election, and nothing is improved for us. And the
problem is is that we don't understand that nobody's coming

(01:48:53):
to help us but us. And if we don't tell
the truth to each other and say that's the behavior
that we're exhibiting, it's non conducive, it's not gonna work,
it's gonna it's degradating. And so we're gonna continue to
go down. And I'm gonna say it for the next
thirty years as Gong is I'm living, because I don't
think I'm gonna lived past seventy to eighty. But I'm

(01:49:14):
just saying I don't see any hope because the mindset
of the people has been degraded.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
It's been degraded, all right, And thanks Michael, thank you
for that assessment. Go ahead, brother, Tonic a compound break.
I'll let you start responding to what Mike yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Okay, shooting what Mike is saying. I can't disagree with
what Mike is saying, but I also can't put all
of the onus on black fo We live in a
system that was desires specifically to create and to perpetuate
the type of disorder and confusion that we've seen within
the black community. There's always been a foot on our

(01:49:52):
back and up our behind.

Speaker 8 (01:49:54):
So we've got it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
We've got it doubly bad, and so giving that realcity,
we've got to do things differently. And I'm old enough
to have lived through the sixties and solve when black
people who were dealing with these same problems in the
nineteen sixties decided to do things differently. So we took
control of our educational system and created Black studies. You

(01:50:18):
had doctor Kareinga on yesterday, and he was in the
forefront of that movement to bring our history into our
classrooms so that you can change the consciousness of a people.
And I've lived long enough to know that when people's
consciousness changes, the behavior changes. And so we've seen that
when we took responsibility for ourselves. The Black Panther Party

(01:50:41):
was created to put the police in check and to
patrol our own neighborhood. They had a breakfast program where
they fed our children. So when we were directly involved
in our community, we saw things shift in our favor.
But what did this system do? The system created co
and Tail pro to destroy the Black Panther Party. They

(01:51:05):
created pushback systems against black studies programs. So here we
see doctor Sante and doctor Karinga, who have two of
the most significant programs and educational institutions on the West
Coast and then East Coast. They canne the cuss and attack.
No matter what we do to make our lives better,

(01:51:25):
the system exists to make our lives worse. So we
can't just put all the only some black folk. So
it requires if we look at all of the sources
of all of the problems that impact us and began
to look at other ways that we can address these
problems and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Get the right hold. Though right there, brother, tell me
how let you finish your thought On the other side,
we've got to step aside for a few moments. Eighteen
after top Tony Brown's I guess family, you want to
jump in on this conversation, reach out to us at
eight hundred and four five zero seventy eighth seventy six
more take it phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

(01:52:09):
thanks for sticking with us on this Tuesday morning here
with our guess that Tony Raley, Tony's a chematologists and
to how let you finish responding to my question? But
is it safe to say that if our people understood
who they are, where they come from, all the studies
that you've done in denial of valid for forty eight years,
they won't get the won't they won't be surprised at
what's going down, and they won't get caught up in

(01:52:30):
the craziness that's on the streets as well. Is it
safe to say that.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
It's Carl, That's the safest thing that anybody can say.
That's why people study history. You know, if you look
at anyone who's religious, religious people Christians study the Bible,
the history of the Bible because there's knowledge, there's wisdom,
there are examples of what to do and what not
to do found in that text. And by studying the

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past and applying that study in their lives today, people
can be guaranteed of safe passes through life and residents
in heaven if you follow this book. People who are
Muslims follow the Koran. So any people who wish to
be assured of a meaningful and productive life will study

(01:53:17):
the history of people who have been following a certain path. So,
you know, one of one of the questions that you
frequently asked, called particularly what I'm going to show is
what about people who ask you, what is history going
to do for me? How's it going to put food
on my table? And I got to laugh, because for me,

(01:53:38):
history is life. History is the record of human accomplishments.
It showed us what we've done, problems that we've had
in the past, successes that we've had in the past.
That we study the past because the past is all
there is right, and anyone who doesn't understand that is
doomed to live in a they present that has no future. Though,

(01:54:04):
one of the reasons why black people are so disconnected
from history is because we've been taught, we've been socialized
to believe that our history, our story began with slavery,
our history and our story began at the bottom. And
what person in their right mind wants to begin this
story in the bottom. So as I mentioned previously before

(01:54:27):
the break, the shift towards back studies that escalated in
the sixties was not a reimagining of black people in history.
It was an excavating of historical truths that had been
intentionally hidden, intentionally downplayed, and marginalized because our oppressors understood

(01:54:50):
that what you do for yourself is based on what
you know of yourself. That was one of Renokovshidi's favorite quotes.
You know what you do is based on what you know.
And if you know nothing of value, if you know
nothing of any significance, then you will live down to
the expectations. Who's responsible for erasing our history the same
people responsible for incarcerating us and turning our lives upside down.

(01:55:16):
This relationship between Africans and Europeans has not changed significantly
in five hundred years. So if you have an understanding
and appreciation of history, and if you can go back
a thousand years, two thousand years, three thousand years before

(01:55:37):
this power system, this power and balance existed, then you
will find histories of African people throughout the continent. And
as Renokabashidi demonstrated, to us. Through his travels, you will
find African people around the world who developed governmental systems,
who developed religious systems, who developed social systems where they

(01:56:00):
able to maintain a quality of life that we have
not seen within our lifetime. That information is worth knowing,
it's worth studying, it's worth taking examples of the best
of what African people have done throughout our presence here
in the world and using those examples in our lives

(01:56:21):
today to make our lives better. That's why history is important.
So anytime anybody can make you think that history is irrelevant,
that they've already won the battle for your existence. So
one of the services that you provide to this community,
CAR is bringing on scholars who won't be heard on

(01:56:42):
any of the media, who can share their historical knowledge,
share their facts with those who are ready to listen.
And one of the biggest challenges that we're confronted with
CAR doing this work is that, because of how we've
been socialized, there is an increasing number of people who
don't want to listen. There's an increasing number of young

(01:57:02):
people who lack the capacity to listen or to even
understand what is being said. That's the state of play
in most urban centers in the United States today, that
a many people who don't want to listen, and unfortunately,
because they don't want to listen, they can't learn. Because
they can't learn or listen, their lives will be cut short.

(01:57:25):
They will be unproductive members of society. And that's how
this system has been very carefully and very skillfully constructed.
If you understand the nature of social systems, most of
what happens in our lives happens by design, you know,
happens by design. So these issues that we're confronted with

(01:57:47):
now were set in motion decades ago, generations ago, and
they keep repeating themselves because this cycle needs to be
broken and needs to be replaced with the new psycho
And what historians, what sociologists, what psychologists, what psychiatrists, what scientists.

(01:58:08):
What these scholars do is they look at some of
the best examples of human behavior and they say, try
this now, consider this now, and if it works, continue
doing it so that you can be you can help
determine the fate of not just your life, but the
fate of the generations who will come from you. And

(01:58:29):
what I've learned to understand, Carl, what guides my life
at this point in my life, at this point in
my career, is that if you aren't thinking seven generations ahead,
one hundred and fifty years into the future, you're not
thinking at all. You're not in the game to win.
You're just a sidebar. So it means that one has

(01:58:53):
to have a greater appreciation for who you were as
a people, know your ancestor, and be able to bring
forth into the present moment thoughts, activities, and behaviors that
will ensure that you will continue to prosper generation after
generation after generation for at least steven generations. That's one

(01:59:16):
hundred and fifty years in the future. And if you
understand how time works, right, how time works, that we're
really building our future based on the application of knowledge
from our past. We're recreating the past every single day,
and that's one of the reasons why you know you

(01:59:37):
begin your show with the statement with the greeting Grand Rising,
Grand Rising, and rising is the rising of the sun.
And the rising of the sun was known as cap
rate cyprei. Rate means rebirth or renewal. So you're now
rebirthing a new day. What are you going to do
in this new day? As the sun rises and we

(01:59:58):
start moving through society. You're going to do is based
on what you've done. So any conscious person, any person
who is proactive, is going to look at the best
activity of a people in any society, in any community
anywhere in the world, and they will strategically apply these
principles and these lessons in their lives on this grand day.

(02:00:22):
And as you apply principles that have been proven to
be successful, it means that you can be guaranteed a
greater modicum of success. And when people who have this
consciousness come together on a regular basis, they create systems
that will ensure that the people who live and operate
within these systems will have a greater degree of success.

(02:00:44):
So to money Mike's point, as long as we are
using the systems that we're designed by our oppressor, we
will continue to be oppressed. We will continue to lose,
we will continue to die and unacceptably high numbers if
we begin to apply the lessons from Marcus Garvey. For example,

(02:01:07):
we were with brother Singor this past weekend at Elie
as they were commemorating the anniversary of the u NIA.
You know, this organization exists because Marcus Garvey left a
black print, if you will, of what people of African
ancestry can do to transform their consciousness, to transform their
behavior so that we can become We can create systems

(02:01:29):
that would guarantee our success. And anyone who has studied
the honorable Marcus Garvey knows that he created the largest
and most progressive and the most powerful black movement that
the United States has ever seen that needs to be replicated. Yes,
but we also have to understand how the system that

(02:01:52):
exists to suppress African people had to shut Garvey down.
So we now know, based on reports that have been
finally made public, that the very first black FBI agent
that was hired was a black man who squealed on Garvey,
who submitted at his trial the envelope that contained the

(02:02:14):
letter that was used to convict Garvey of mail fraud.
So Garvey's organization was taken down by forces within the
United States government. Why because they did not want Black
people to succeed, to come together and pull their time,
their talent, and their treasures to succeed. So, no matter
what we have done to make our lives better in

(02:02:36):
segregating America, we were forced to have our own theaters,
our own communities, our own schools, to have politicians who
were accountable to us, and we did in many respects.
We did quite better when we were segregated than we've
done as an integration as we attempted to integrate into
a society that never wanted us. And so there are

(02:02:57):
people who are asking the questions right now, Yeah, should
we segregate. You've had some callers on your show in
recent week's call who put that question forward as a
viable solution, and we got to consider that. You know,
we our children were better educated when they went to
black schools and were taught by black teachers. So we've

(02:03:19):
got to ask ourselves a question. Was the passage of
a civil rights legislation and in fair housing legislation, was
all of that done in en effort to destroy the
insulent communities and institutions that we had when we were segregated.
We've got to ask that question. And it appears to

(02:03:42):
any thinking question that, yeah, that was part of the plan.
You know, And when I speak of the plan, I
can't help but think of you know, our beloved ancestor,
doctor Wilson, who frequently in the eighties and nineties talked
about the plan one who's lived in DC since that

(02:04:02):
timeframe knows of the plan. As I say that word
with air quotes. The plan was an effort on the
part of white people who lived in upper Northwest Washington,
d C. Who became incensed when parliament Sunkadelic created a

(02:04:22):
song called Chocolate City that talked about that bragged about,
you know, Ali taking over the White House, and Aretha
Franklin is the first lady, and so and so and
so and so, it was the Secretary of Education, and
so and so and so and so as the Secretary
of Fine arms. When we imagine a black nation that
was run by black people in control, and white people

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took that to heart, took that imagining to heart. And
there was a letter that doctor Wilson would share with
her audiences at her monthly meetings. There was a letter
that was brought to doctor Wilson by God. I'm blanking
on the name of the sister. He'll come to me now.
She was the former school superintendent for Washington, d C.

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She is from Chicago. I'm blanking on her name, but
they'll come back to me now. But because of the
fact that she had a non traditional black name, she
had a white surname. She received one of these letters,
the call for a community meeting of concerned white people
who wanted to talk about how they can ensure that

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DC did not remain a chocolate city. And they strategized
and they implemented plans that have come to pass. Right
that has come to pass. And these same plans have
been implemented in every major urban city throughout the United
States of America. So I'm saying all that to say

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called that I've lived long enough that I've studied the
history of Washington, d C. I studied the history of
my hometown, Chicago, and I understand how white sociologists created
the ghetto, created the police systems and the educational systems,
and the political systems, and the banking systems which have
confined our lives to a very small circle environment where death, destruction,

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and confusion rain. That's not an accident. I was a
student at the University of Illinois, a circle campus, when
I saw in the School of Architecture the model for
the ghetto, the model for creating the projects, and how
these systems of destruction and death and confusion and drugs

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and poverty and crime, these systems were designed by social
scientists in order to create the outcomes that we're experiencing
right now. So most of us don't understand that the
world in which we were living and have lived our
entire lives, there was a world that was created by

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people who don't look like us, and people who hate us,
people who've always exploited us. But despite that reality, there
are still those who found ways to navigate within these
worlds and achieve a modicum of success right and many
of these people call where the thinkers, the social scientists,

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the educators, the philosophers that you have on your show
on the regular. So they have shown us that there
is a way to survive this hellhole called the ghetto.
There is a way to thrive and to extract yourself,
extricate yourself from the poverty and crime and confusion that

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takes too many of our people out. And the set
reality is, the set reality is is that many of
our people don't realize that we've been living under conditions
of war here in this country for over two hundred
and fifty years, and that there has been an intentional
war to destroy black people, is to limit our progresses.

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Despite that, despite that call, many of us has still survived.
Many of some of us are doing well, and so
we would do well to study those people who have survived,
study those people who have succeeded, and then replicate what
they've done. To that point, Carl, I had a conversation

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last week with tib Well.

Speaker 3 (02:08:36):
Hold that conversation, brother, Tony, because if I step aside
for a few moments and one of the calls that
the name of you you're probably looking for is doctor
Barbara Seismore.

Speaker 5 (02:08:44):
That doctor Bible Side, Well, yes, sir, that doctor Side.

Speaker 8 (02:08:47):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:08:48):
I know if we got some smart listeners out there,
I know they come through twenty three away from the top.
They our family was speaking with Tony brown here. We're
going to get into his forty eight years of studies
in the Nile Value as well. You want to speak
to Tony, don't reach out to it said eight hundred
four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth and take
your phone calls.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
You're fucking with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
You're fucking with the most submiss yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:09:39):
And grand Rising family, thanks are rolling with us this morning.
I guess it's Tony Browner. Is Tony's a chemisologist, and
we start off a different but they all connected. We're
still on a different route, but they're all really connected.
And that's what Tony's doing, connecting the docorus. Well, that
spoke to Bill, So Tony, I'm going a chance to
respond to what d said.

Speaker 5 (02:09:57):
Sure, and I appreciated Bill's you ma, and as we
found out that the conclusion is of his remarks that
there's no disagreement between us and Bill was responding to
comments that were made by Money Mike. And so one
of the things that I want to share with your listeners, Carl,
as a result of I've been listening to WL for

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about forty years. I've been a frequent guest on WL
for thirty nine years, and what I know is that
WL is one of the few talk radio stations that
doesn't have screeners, which means that when someone calls in,
someone doesn't pick up the phone to ask you what's
your question so that they can screen who they're going

(02:10:41):
to allow on the airway or not allowing the airways.
And you all allow people to call in to express
their thoughts. Of what I know from experience is a
lot of some people who call in, who listen to
call in our disruptive elements. They call in specifically to
take the conversation off point, just by dropping a little

(02:11:06):
confusion or some negativity into the conversation, then the three
or four callers after that will feed off that negativity.
So what you're doing, CAR is a very difficult and
challenging job. Of what makes your job easier is if
your listeners and your callers understand the power of the microphone.

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I understand the power of communication, and I understand that
we are at war and the controlling communications, controlling the
conversation is a tactic in war. And there will always
be people who will sour the milk, who will say
one comment to steer the direction the conversation in a

(02:11:49):
different direction, to prevent people from talking about liberatory and
self determining actions. That's the price you play when you
come on radio. But it also means that those who
listen to talk shows like the Carl Nelson Show have
a responsibility to be attentive listeners, to be discerning listeners,

(02:12:10):
to raise the bar and challenge nonsense when you hear
it so that the host doesn't have to do it,
so that the guest doesn't have to do it. So
I appreciate Bill pauling and sharing his comments, and I'll
keep my responses shorter.

Speaker 3 (02:12:24):
Carl, all right, thank you three at the top now,
So i'ndras checking in from Southeast DC online. One Grand
Rising Sandra on with Tony Browner.

Speaker 18 (02:12:33):
Grand Rising call, and Tony brought her. I'm gonna keep
this short and sweet so others may speak. I told
my niece doctor Latasha Levy the next time Tony brought
us is on, I was gonna tell him to get
into to look up doctor Latasha Levy and Tony, she

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worked with you, and I have been I have been
listening to WOL from day one with Kathy Hughes and
DeWitt and Tony. I remember I have met you, and
I remember you because you did used to sit in
for Catherine. You also would be on her show as

(02:13:18):
her guests. And I remember Alexis your daughter. When she
came on WOL, I think she was seven or eight
years old, and she had wrote a book, and I
was so impressed with her, and I'm so still impressed
with her, and I pray for her and I'm so
glad she's a mother. You have a grandson, man, So

(02:13:41):
I go way back. But what I call you for
is to please look up doctor Latasha Levy. She teaches.
She now teaches Black history at Halberd University, and she's
my identical twins daughter and I am so proud of her.

Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
Tony, well, well, thank you so much, Sister Sada for
mentioning Natasha. She had a birthday last week. If I'm
not mistaken, she.

Speaker 18 (02:14:11):
Had a birthday. She had a birthday on the twenty
ninth of May and a huge party. Her husband gab her.

Speaker 5 (02:14:20):
Okay, okay, okay. Then then I got the role. But anyway,
I remember Latasha. She was a student. She was living
in Alexandria, Virginia, I believe, and she interned one summer
when she was in high school and then she went
to University of Virginia. She would bring me down when
she was working with dan Rick Turner. And I've been

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following her father. She's going on to get a PhD.

Speaker 18 (02:14:44):
She's done well, yes, and Tony, not only that she
worked with she got Dick Gregory at the College in Virginia.
Dick Gregory. She's worked with Dick Gregory. So I'm just saying,
Tony looked. I'm so proud her. And I always tell said,
Latasha Tony is always on the on the Call Nelson Show.

(02:15:07):
I said, but I don't call him to ask him
about you. But I said, this time I was gonna
do it because I am so proud of her.

Speaker 5 (02:15:17):
Well, well, thank you so much, and you have every
reason to be proud. And and you know, Nosiety, you're
a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier.
Every young person, every child needs positive influences in their lives.
If it doesn't, if they don't come from their parents,
then an uncle, an auntie, somebody in the community who

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sees your value and he was there to give you,
to give you guidance, to help you become a productive
member of society. That's what we've always done as black people.
And when we do our work, when we lift up
young people, we change the world. So, sister Latasha Leevy
is making you proud. You made me and I'm so

(02:16:01):
pleased to know that I maybe had a little hand
in crafting this, this incredible mind who's now at Howard University,
who's crafting other incredible minds. And that's how we win. See,
there's plenty of negativity out here, and we can spend
the rest of this show talking about all the stuff

(02:16:23):
that we aren't doing. But we've got to take the time.
We've got to make the time to talk about our
success stories because we've always had success stories. We lift
up those people who are doing things right. We don't
have to put them on a pedestal, but we use
them as models for others to emulate so that we
can amplify their success. And that's how we win this battle.

(02:16:46):
So I appreciate you calling us so much, sir.

Speaker 3 (02:16:48):
Sandra's thanky, all right, thank you, sister Soundra and after
top down, Christian's calling us from Malibui's online three Grand
Rising Christian with Tony Browner.

Speaker 13 (02:16:58):
One Jonas and Tony notes in the last sixty days.
They always asked me what my question is because sometimes
a Carl say we fall woefully short.

Speaker 5 (02:17:07):
Let them note.

Speaker 13 (02:17:07):
I'll follow and let them notes. But you were talking
about the parenting of the kids. I say it's eighty
five percent of the parents. Carl had a guest that
come on April or Marson is here. He was the clinician,
you know, even services sociology, psychiatry. He said he had
a call from a mom who said that her seven

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year old son was under control, that mother was attentive
to that child. She was saying, this kid is not right.
So a lot of these problems with the youths doing
these takeovers, these robberies. You see how they talk. It's
the parents thought, you got to get in there and
you got to start them with a foundation, just like
when you go to school reading like the man. You
got to get the foundation there, and we lost that foundation.

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That's why these kids around and loose. And the other
thing is this at the university was knowing you weren't
young and dumb as young you didn't have enough life
experience to understand those models what they really meant. You
have it now, when are you nineteen twenty years old?
You don't understand the whole thing yet. What do you
think about what I just said?

Speaker 5 (02:18:13):
Well, look, brother, it was my life. I was dumb.
I can look back now and said that I did
some dumb and fullish things. But I was fortunate to
have not had my life upended, and I was fortunate
to have people around me to show me a better way.
But you know, as a single parent who raised the

(02:18:36):
child the way that I was raised, I understand the
responsibility of parents, or the responsibility of adults to intervene
in the life of their child. Let me share this
story with you. I was listening to WL this is
back in the late eighties. Bernie McCain was on, and

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he had doctor Wilson as a guest. Doctor Welson, but
at this time she was working as a child psychologist
psychiatrist for DC Social Services, and doctor Welsing made a
statement that shocked the heck out of me. She said,
as a child psychiatrist talking with children who were in

(02:19:17):
the Falster care system and the welfare system, she said
that some of these children were so mentally and emotionally
disturbed that their parents would have been better off if
they chopped them up with the machetes when they were born. Now,
that statement rocked me to my core, and I had

(02:19:38):
an opportunity to talk to doctor Wilson and ask her
to drill down a little deeper about this problem. And
we can say, beyond the shadow of a doubt that
many of the problems that we see with our young
people in the streets today and in schools today stem
from a lack of love them, from a lack of

(02:19:58):
parental guidance. Why, Because the parents who brought these children
into the world were children themselves. They didn't have someone
who taught them how to love. And you only know
what you know. And if you don't understand the basic
responsibilities associated with bringing a child into the world, giving
that child everything that is required so that they can

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go out to become a productive citizen of society, you're
only going to create fracture children. That's what we have now.
We have too many, and I don't want to make
it same as this as if that's all we have.
There are a lot of hardworking families, hardworking mothers and
hardworking fathers who are doing an incredible job raising children.

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But there's too many children who have not been raised
in communities of love. And that's what we have to
address because if we don't take those children back, if
we don't find ways to interact with them and save
who we can, we know what this system is going
to do to them and ultimately to all of us,
because they don't make a distinction between us, and then

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we're all the same. So we have an opportunity, and
I see it as an opportunity to fight for our
lives and to win the fight if we if we
do it correctly, and we have the models for how
to do it correctly, we just have to implement them.

Speaker 3 (02:21:22):
Got you and thank you. Christian Collins from Malibill. Let's
stay out on the West Coast and D and Kelly
is online two grand rising Dan.

Speaker 8 (02:21:30):
Yeah, a question for Tony, Brad start left, starting to
get bad?

Speaker 10 (02:21:35):
Another job?

Speaker 3 (02:21:36):
All right, I think D's not ready for us, so
we can hang up on D. Thank you, Kevin. Let's
move on, brother Tony. Let's let's talk about your forty
eight years of studies in our valley. Yeah, Kevin, can
you hang up online too for us? All right? Thank you,
Thank you Kevin, your forty eight years of studies in

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then our valley, Brother Tony.

Speaker 5 (02:22:00):
Well, listen, man, I can quite honestly date the day
that my life was turned around, and that was February
twenty first, nineteen seventy seven. That's when I first saw
Ivan vance Certema, doctor Ivan van Certuma speak at doing

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a Black History Month presentation at Georgetown Law School in
north West Washington, d C. And Vance Curtima gave a
brilliant presentation, as he always does, but he says something
to what a twenty six year old young man myself.

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As I said in that audience, he said, as he
talked about those Africans who came to America before Columbus,
talked about the Omec and he said that some of
these Omec people had come from the Nile Valley, had
come from Kush and Kimmid or ancient Egypt, and they

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were black. This is the first time in my life, Carl,
anyone ever told me that the ancient Egyptians were black.
And what I realized at that moment is that I
have been miseducated. Even though I had attended predominantly black
schools all of my life, elementary schools on the West
Side of Chicago and Howard University, I learned nothing at

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all about black history. As a matter of fact, I
graduated from Howard is seventy four before Black History Month
became a reality. So I never took any classes in
black history. I never had any professors to teach me
about the glory of ancient Kymot or the glory of
West African civilizations. And so I found out after the fact,

(02:23:53):
very late in the game. And then certain them or
open my eyes, and I became aware of what I
now referred to is forbidden knowledge. There's information about the
positive accomplishments of African people, the worldwide positive accomplishments of
African people. There's information that has existed for hundreds of
years that we've never been exposed to. And that's intentional. Again,

(02:24:17):
to quote Rinoka Rashidi, what you know about yourself is
what you do for yourself and about yourself. And if
all you know is sagging pass, if all you know
the B word and the H word and drugging and
sugging and negativity, that's what you're going to be. So
that's not who you are. That's how you've been programmed.

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And so I was introduced to a different program. And
once I became aware of this alternate program, I made
a choice to immerse myself in the writings and teachings
of scholars who are new to me. I discovered doctor
Clark and doctor Ben and doctor Jackson, doctor Wilson and

(02:25:01):
doctor Hillier and doctor King and all these other scholars
who are now a part of my formal educational process.
And that turned the light up for me. That taught
me to begin to travel to Africa. I made my
first trip to Africa with doctor Ben in December of
nineteen eighty and those thirteen days that I spent on

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the now changed my life forever, and I've not gone back.
So I know the benefit of study, I know the
benefit of travel, and as a result of my mind
being shifted, I determined. As I became aware of how
this society functions and the roadblocks that have intentionally been

(02:25:44):
constructed in order to limit the progress of people of
African ancestry, I made a determination in my young mind
that I wasn't going to work for anybody. I was
going to work for myself. And working for myself meant
that I had to work harder, I had to work
smarter than the average person because I was determining my faith.

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And as a result of taking my life in my hands,
I was able to craft a life that has benefited
me and as a result, has benefited others that I've
come in contact with. So it's been my thirty nine
year relationship with WL beginning in November of nineteen eighty six,

(02:26:28):
that I had the opportunity to come on the airways
with regularity and share with the listeners, share with Miss
Hughes and the listeners at w L what I was
learning and share the morning without right and hold.

Speaker 3 (02:26:42):
I thought, right there, brother Tony, I'll let you finish
your journey on the other side of that step aside
for a few moments eighteen minutes after the top of
our family, you want to join this conversation with Tony Browner,
reach out to us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your
phone calls me.

Speaker 1 (02:27:02):

Speaker 3 (02:27:25):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks for sticking with us on
this this Tuesday morning. Back I guesked cametologist Tony Brader.
We neglected to remind family that five years ago, I
think it was five years ago, eight years ago, we
lost Dick Gregory. We mentioned his name several times today
and also yesterday we'll be talking about greg and it
so happens that this is the anniversary of his passing.

(02:27:45):
So again and shout out to Dick Gregor. Because the brother, Tony,
you've taught us that people just don't die, They just
moved to another another realm, and we're calling their names
or we keep them alive. But I'll let you finish
on your story.

Speaker 5 (02:27:59):
Yeah, so what I do want to acknowledge is that
it was my early days of WO and Miss Hughes
that she graciously allowed us access to the airways as
we could begin as we began to promote a need
for African centered education in DC Public school system. DC

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was in the late eighties and early nineties. D C
still was Chocolate City to a large extent. But what
we found out is that d C had had the
DC Public School System had had more superintendents than any
superintendent within the United States of America. And what I
began to realize is that that wasn't an accident, that

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that was intentional, because here we were in the nation's capital,
the capital of the most powerful city in human history,
city that black people were in control of. And in
order to steyny the growth and development of black people,
you have to cut off the education of black children
at the root level. And so it wasn't a coincidence

(02:29:06):
that DC's students were being intentionally miseducated. And as people
within the community came together to demand of the DC's
school board that certain information be incorporated within the curriculum,
we always had access to w L. Missus would allow
us to come on and we would push the buttons,
we would call for protests at the Board of Education.

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We would come on the airways and give the call
for parents, for concerned citizens to meet at a certain
location at a certain time, and we put pressure on
the school board to eventually allow them allow us to
get an African center curriculum in place, or at least
to create the model for an African Center curriculum. And

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what I realized after doing this three or four times,
coming on the airways calling for parents to come out
and rally, they would come out, val the school board
would respond for a few weeks and then revert to
their old ways. What I realized is that if the
parents weren't more actively involved in overseeing the education of

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their children, always going to be lost. Because we kept
coming back to the air ways, we kept marshaling the
communities to address problems, but then the problems kept occurring,
so we didn't tackle the problems at his route, and
so essentially we're dealing with the after effects of us
not addressing those problems whom we had the opportunity, and

(02:30:36):
now the problem is out of control. So I will
always say that we have to have soume more responsibility
for ourselves. But we also have to understand that we're
dealing with the system that exists specifically to oppress us,
to destroy us. So this is the war that we've
been fighting for hundreds of years and we cannot rest.

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We need more people to understand what the larger dynamics
are and to be in this fight for the long
haul and to be relentless because our opposition is also relentless.
But we've got we've got forces that we've always used,
that have always helped us to achieve victories. That know

(02:31:19):
other people who have achieved. So thank God for w
L and for your listeners who who heed the call
and respond to to to to meet, to rise to
the occasion when asked, all.

Speaker 3 (02:31:37):
Right twenty five on the top, they GC's calling for Maryland.
He's on line one. Has a question for you, brother,
Tony grand Rising GC. You're only Tony Browner.

Speaker 10 (02:31:46):
Grand Rise, Sir. I got two questions real quick. You
were talking about our young children or your brother.

Speaker 15 (02:31:58):
Brother.

Speaker 5 (02:31:58):
You're breaking up very bad, and I can't I can't
hear what you're saying. I don't know if you can
move to another position where you get better receptions.

Speaker 10 (02:32:08):
Okay, what about what about now?

Speaker 5 (02:32:10):
This seems good, keep it going. This is much better.

Speaker 10 (02:32:14):
Yeah, okay, thank you. I was calling about we were
talking about the emotional state of our young adults, and
I was wondering if much of that stems from the
crack epidemic era, because most of those children born in
that era was probably adults now. And the second thing is,
how do we break the uh, the influence of the

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entertainment industry over our youth because they're following directly. This
is all I believe. It's all instruction. You get the
same people all of the countries understand the same thing.
I mean, it's always been about trends, but uh, I
feel like it's instruction and they're they're they're carrying out
those instructions to you know, destroy you know, but from

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and that I lived off the earth.

Speaker 5 (02:33:05):
Sure well, thank you man. Thank you for moving to
a position where you can get better reception and I
can hear your questions, two great questions. Yes, you're absolutely
right with regards to the crack epidemic and how it
has destroyed the minds, the capacity to think for hundreds
of thousands of people who were children or people who

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were fetuses in the wombs of women who were cracked addicts,
or people who were young children in classrooms when their
parents were crack addicts and didn't care for them properly,
didn't see them properly, and as a result of children
being malnourished during critical periods in their lives, they did
not develop the mental capacity the one needs in order

(02:33:53):
to succeed in school. So there was a confluence of issues.
We also have to take into account during the Crack
academic when we had Sister Maxine Waters who held meetings,
hearings on Capitol Hill and in the district in California
bringing forth information to show that the Republican administration was

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responsible for bringing crack into California to make money to
fund the countries in their war in Central America. So
we know there's evidence of the government being involved in
spilling our community with drugs. In the eighties, it was cracked.

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In the sixties late sixties, it was heroin, and before
that it was other drugs. So we have been living
under conditions of war for hundreds of years, as I
stated earlier, and the warfare exists. The battles exist on
multiple fronts simultaneously they have never stopped. The other issue
that you raised, brother, has to do with entertainments, a

(02:35:01):
toxic entertainment which See the Lords Tucker spoke out against
and See the Lords. Tucker was attacked by some well
known civil rights leaders for speaking out against the so
called entertainment industry which exists primarily to destroy the minds
of the young people. So you see a consistent thread
at the runs through. If you can destroy black women,

(02:35:26):
the vessels that bring life into the world, if you
can destroy their children, and that that destruction begins at
an early age, you can ensure a generation of people
who will not be able to defend themselves and who
will perpetuate that destruction for future generations. That's what we're
dealing with. And so, Carl, you mentioned that you're going

(02:35:48):
to have Professor Griff on your show later on this week.
Professor Griff is someone who was in the business. He
was in the industry, and he could speak to these
issues where conscious rappers were denied access to promote their
music and those who promoted unconscious music, music about drugs

(02:36:08):
and death and destruction and disrespect they were promoted. Why
because those in the entertainment industry know that what you
listen to frequently becomes your dominant frequency of salt, it
becomes your reality. So we are dealing with generations of
black children who've been brainwashed and they're now brainwashed adults,

(02:36:33):
many of whom are bringing other brainwashed children into the world.
So this is one side of the conflict. But we
can't lose sight of the fact that there are other
people who have been raising their children properly, who've been
offering guidance to all children, and that is making a difference.
But we got to fight harder, and we need more

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people who understand what the issues are and aren't willing
to just sit back and point the finger and complain
about what black folks are doing, but are willing to
get in the mix, willing to make profile sacrifices in
order to save the lives of black children that are
worth saving.

Speaker 3 (02:37:12):
All right, twenty nine away from the top of her
let me ask you this. We all remember when c
large what she was saying and what she was doing,
and you're right, and some people in civil rights actively,
some of the contemporaries condemned it for what she was doing.
In retrospect, do you think they knew of the full
game that was being played, or they're just basically just

(02:37:32):
straight up hating on her. But do they understand the
destruction that that kind of entertainment, if you could call it, that,
that's done to our people.

Speaker 5 (02:37:42):
But the call I can say behind a shadow of
a doubt that those quote unquote civil rights leaders were
being paid by the record companies, they were being paid
by the liquor companies, they were being paid their organizations
were being financed by the tobacco company. And so whoever

(02:38:02):
pays your bill calls the tune. And that's just a
reality that's been that's always been the case, and not
just for black leaders and black politicians, but for white leaders,
white politicians, Hispanic leaders, Hispanic politicians, Asian leaders, Asian politicians.
Corruption knows no color line, and so one of the

(02:38:25):
things that we have to look at is developing models
to hold correct politicians and correct leaders accountable to the people.
And that means sometimes you've got to take some unorthodox
tactics in order to set an example or two for
the rest of folks to follow. And it also requires

(02:38:48):
that we understand that your leaders. Doctor Clark Office said,
your leader looks back at you in the mirror when
you brush your teeth or comb your hair. Most of
the so called leaders of black folks, civil rights leaders
and black folk were pointed by white folk, white organizations,
white businesses, white institutions, who control the purse strings of

(02:39:11):
those organizations, And as a result of controlling the purse strains,
they control what they talked about and what they didn't
talk about. So, yeah, we would do well to examine
every aspect of our lives and make a conscientious choice
to do better in the future.

Speaker 3 (02:39:29):
Well, I got to ask you this question twenty six
away from the top of our is a way to
reverse it? Do you see what's changing that? Do you
see us overcoming this is a decades old thing? Or
when will it die out? When will there's some you know,
we'll have some modicum of self respect? Is that Dr
Wilson talks about quite a bit, that we have for
each other and love for each other. Do you see

(02:39:51):
us reaching that level in your lifetime?

Speaker 14 (02:39:54):
I do well.

Speaker 5 (02:39:55):
I may not see it in my lifetime, but I
see steps being made in that in that direction. And
one of the realities is called this old leadership UH
has to die out. And and they are many, many
of these these leaders are doing that themselves because they

(02:40:16):
refuse to train their replacements. These organized many organizations are
led by a cult of personality uh someone who can
talk good but who doesn't deliver or who isn't held accountable.
And one of your freaking guests called uh Tyrone Powers
can speak to that as a former FBI agent because

(02:40:39):
he's he's getting he's got statistics on how the government
bank rows and makes leaders out of losers and puts
them in in the head of the pack in order
to steer us down a wrong path. And that's the
story that we have with wild Bill O'Neill, who was

(02:41:01):
the informant responsible for killing Fred Hafton and Mark Clark.
He was a black man who was a hustler, He
was a kind man. He was someone who was bought
off by the FBI, and he was rewarded in the
end after Fred Halton and Mark Clark will killed. He
was rewarded by giving the keys to a gas station

(02:41:21):
in Maywood, Illinois, so that he could still be of use,
still be of service to its white overseers. So we've
always had these people in our mix, and we've always
found ways to deal with some of them, and in
other ways we've been slow to deal with some of them.

(02:41:42):
And I have to add this car I would be
dishonest if I didn't add this reality that many of
our leaders who have been bought on have been religious
leaders who were quite comfortable taking money from the man,
and we're quite comfortable selling a story that they knew

(02:42:06):
wasn't true. Now, I'm not going to name names, but
I've been in the presence of many of these people
for decades, and I know that what they're selling their
congregations they know is not true. I've traveled to Egypt
with ministers and taken them down the Nile River and

(02:42:26):
showing them the origins of stories, the African origins of
stories that are in the Bible, and I've had serious
one on one conversations with them and asked them, what
are you going to do when you get back home
to DC, to Baltimore, to New York, to Chicago. What
are you going to do? What are you going to
tell your congregations? And to a person, they say, Tony,

(02:42:47):
if I talk about this on Sunday, I'll be looking
for a job on Monday. So they tell their congregations
what the congregations have been socialized and brainwashed to be
comfortable hearing. So what that means to me a Bible
solution is to work with people within those environments, within
the church, people whose eyes are open and who now

(02:43:10):
have been exposed to the writings of John Navy Clark
and John Jackson and others, and who work within these
institutions to change them from the inside out. And I've
seen changes within some of these institutions. I've seen some
of these pastors begin to open their doors to scholars

(02:43:30):
who can then come in and talk about this historical information.
Why because there are people in the congregation who are
people on the deacon board who move people within the
church to put pressure on the ministers to talk about
something different, to talk about history. So I've seen change.
I've seen change in my lifetime, but I know I

(02:43:50):
won't live to see the changes that I know that
are coming, the changes that will lead to a greater
degree of freedom and justice inequality that is coming. It's
coming as I also see the decline of the white
power structure. It comes as I see more white people
in power fighting amongst themselves. And that's what this current

(02:44:13):
administration is leading us to an inevitable conclusion where white
people will fight amongst themselves for control and power of
this country.

Speaker 3 (02:44:26):
And we left though right there, Brother Tom, I gotta
step aside for the last time. I'll let you finish
your thoughts when you come back to tell us how
should we handle those You mentioned those sellouts, and you
mentioned that they're still amongst us. Some people think we
should use the winning Mandela technique and go that far.
Some people just say we should have ostracized them. So
I just want to get your thoughts on how we
deal with them. Family, You two can join our conversation

(02:44:47):
with Tony Browner. Reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six on ticket phone calls.

Speaker 5 (02:44:53):
Next.

Speaker 1 (02:44:58):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Ship, Oh.

Speaker 3 (02:45:22):
And Grand Rising family, thanksually staying with us all day
long on this Tuesday morning with our guest, the chemautologist
Tony Browner. If we go back to brother Tony, I
gotta mention brother Dick Gregory, who left us eight years
ago today in Washington, d C. And Dick Gregory was
eighty four years old. But Dick Gregory has left the
legacy of the stuff that we could always return to
and listen to and never miss hearing his voice again,

(02:45:46):
all the Dick Gregory folks again, this is the day
that he left us in Washington, d C. Eight years ago.
But brother Tony, I'll let you finish your thought and
then and tell us you know what we do with
the sellouts. And I've got a tweet question. The tweeter
sent me a question for you.

Speaker 5 (02:45:58):
You know, sure, sure, Carl, Yeah, I remember I was
in Egypt finishing up a study tour when we got
the word that brother Gregory had passed. So time flies,
man and everybody. Everybody's going to leave us. The question
is when you leave, what legacy are you going to
leave behind? So you were talking for about what we

(02:46:22):
do with the sellouts, man, and you mentioned you know,
South Africa. You mentioned William Winnie Mandela and Neckasine and
other acts of violence in terms of making an example
out of sellouts. That's one way to do it, and
you have to be prepared for the circumstances when you

(02:46:43):
act that way, when you act violently. But something else
that I want your listeners to consider is that it's
easy to act or react violently and in a violent world,
in America is the most violent nation in history. More
people are killed in this country annually than are killed

(02:47:06):
in dozens of countries are annually combined. So there's something
about the nature of America that there's something about the
spirit of the United States of America that is violent,
and in a violent world, in a violent society, thinking
becomes a revolutionary act. Thinking about what you do before

(02:47:27):
you do it is a revolutionary act. And so one
of the things, one of the services that WL provides
are thinkers who can come on these airways and share
their thoughts with the general public. And these thoughts can
move the minds of hundreds of thousands of people and
shift society. So it's important for us to think about
what some of your Callerst. Paul and some of these

(02:47:50):
guests have said recently. One of the most powerful means
of bringing about changes within the society is how you
spend your money. We live in a capitalistic society, and
if black folk decided that they weren't going to spend
money with businesses, institutions and organizations that undermine our effectiveness

(02:48:11):
as the people, we would change the society in less
than a year. And a very simple thing that I've
heard people talk about before, and it's going to take
a catastrophy before people realize that this simple means of
exercising freedom and control. There is something that we should
have done a long time ago. If black folk boycotted Christmas,

(02:48:31):
and black folk decided that they're not going to spend
any money between Thanksgiving, i e. Black Friday in New Years,
and if we decided that we were going to withhold
money from specific businesses until the government does X, Y
and Z or A, B and C. I guarantee you,
you would begin to see things changing in your favor.

(02:48:54):
What's interesting is that now more documents are beginning to
come out about the life the last few months of
doctor King's life, where he was writing and speaking publicly
about boycotts, about forget about sins through a financial land,
take your money out of white banks and put it
in black banks, take your money out of white insurance

(02:49:15):
companies and spending money with black insurance companies. It's the
same that we have to say that, and the man
of fact that we need to be telling black people
you should be spending money with black businesses is an
indication of how lost we are. But these things need
to be said. They need to be said often, They
need to be said loud so that enough people get
it and then begin to respond by whatsholding their money?

(02:49:40):
And if you do that living in a capitalistic society
where the only thing that most of these people understand
is the bottom line, the dollar, when you withhold your money,
you'll realize how truly powerful you are. And you will
have the people who you said will powerful come knocking
at your door, begging you and asking you what they

(02:50:02):
can do to curry favor with your gear. That's the
point that hopefully we will get a chance to see
and to experience within my lifetime, and that would be
a glorious day.

Speaker 3 (02:50:13):
Call all right, twelvel away from the top of our
brother Tony the tweeter goes grand rising. I'm happy that
Tony is talking about the crack and drug addicted children
who are now adults. No one talks about them. We
are now seeing people causing crimes with no conscious raising crimes,
no fear, do not worry about consequences. Ask brother Tony,

(02:50:35):
is there a study about this group of people our
community that has been forgotten?

Speaker 15 (02:50:42):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:50:42):
Yeah, I would say that there have been numerous studies done.
But if you really want to get an understanding of
how dire this situation is, talk to older brothers who
are formally incarcerated, and they were they've been locked up
in a jug. I got some relatives, friends who've been

(02:51:05):
locked up, who've done twenty thirty, forty years, and they
would tell you that there was a shift in the
consciousness of people who were locked up in the eighties
and nineties. Young folk who were locked up, who had
no who had no consciousness, they had no morals. When
people were stealing, when people were selling drugs, when people

(02:51:27):
were committing crimes, there was a cold. There was a
criminal cold that criminals adhere to. There were certain things
that you didn't do. You don't sell drugs to children,
you don't shoot certain people, you don't do certain things.
But as a result of crack, as a result of
music which distorted the minds of young people, these people

(02:51:50):
are meant too many people are literally now out of
their minds, and it shifted the prison populations. And so
we're dealing with the after effects of that as these
people now come back into our communities, come back into
the communities with no skills, and so they prey on
others within the community. One of the other issues that

(02:52:13):
will be a problem and that people will be writing
about twenty thirty forty years from now is the legalization
of marijuana and its effect on young people. What I
noticed ten years ago when I was going out to
California once a month to do presentations in high schools
dealing with black students. Out in California. Ten years ago,

(02:52:37):
pot was legal, and you could just walk through any campus,
on any school and smell weed in the air, which
means that you've got students, You've got thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen year old students getting high coming to school. So
there was no learning done in the classroom. And I've
always asked myself what will be the long term implications

(02:52:59):
of these young people using recreational drugs in a setting
where they should be learning. What would the long term
effects of that be, and how will that hasten the
destruction of black culture and black civilization. So we're going
to be dealing with these after effects for the next
twenty to thirty forty years. And believe me, the people

(02:53:21):
who organize these systems, they know what these effects are
going to be, and they are counting on they're counting
on black people to willingly engage in these activities which
will hasten our destruction. So what that means is we
need more responsible and conscious adults in households, in schools

(02:53:46):
and communities who can give these young people viable options.
And what I can tell you call our plog on
this note. What I can tell you now is that
young people, many young people that I encounter, let me
speak from our own per experiences, many of the young
people that I encounter are looking for guidance, been looking
for direction, then looking for some adult who will speak

(02:54:09):
to them in a loving manner, who will validate their
existence and give them words of wisdom. So all we
have to do is to get more adults to step
up and play the role of father, mother, of uncle
of grandparents in the lives of young people who need direction.
And that saves young people. And it also saves the

(02:54:30):
elders who need to work with young people in order
to find more meaning and value in life ourselves.

Speaker 3 (02:54:37):
All right, setting away from the top, Chief crazy Horse
calling from Pennsylvania online. One Grand Rising.

Speaker 16 (02:54:45):
Land Rasing is alone to everyone on the line today,
how are you guys, well? Well now, grateful to have
you all right, thank you. I just wanted to call.
I've been listening for the most of the hours. I
wanted to call and say, my my peace man on
the sub when you guys are talking about sell out leaders.
And one thing about sellout leaders. First off, I am

(02:55:08):
in the revolution. I am a revolutionary, and I sit
up pretty high way. I sit in the revolution. So
I'm not going to give out any ranks, titles, or
anything like that because none of that matters. And plus,
my safety master to me. Now, I will say this
as my observation across this country and internationally, I'm in

(02:55:31):
many houses that I deal with people. One thing about
us as a people, we have a cancer called ego.
We have a cancer about us called pride, and we
are not honest with ourselves period. Also, I've never seen

(02:55:53):
a revolutionary that don't have any revote in him. I've
never seen a liberator that don't want to liberate anybody.
And I've never seen a freedom fighter that don't want
to fight for freedom. Until I've gotten to the level
where I'm at right now. And this is all the
way across the board and nobody's saying it. So somebody

(02:56:14):
need to talk strength to you guys, so you can
get out of the realm of hope and in the
world of knowing. So here goes. You got many organizations
out here, Let's start with the Panther Organization.

Speaker 3 (02:56:29):
For one, right, because we run out of time, I'll
be quick.

Speaker 16 (02:56:34):
This this thing was created in sixty six. It was
disbanded by the government in eighty two, meaning enlisted as terrorists,
shut down by the government. For the last sixty years,
we have not made one move off of the yard
line period in the form of separating ourselves from the
system or even becoming somewhat free. So the question is

(02:56:59):
knowing that these organs, they just have been this man
labeled as terrorists and everybody's standing still with no direction.
You have to ask yourself who are these people in
these leadership positions leading us.

Speaker 5 (02:57:12):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (02:57:13):
And let me give rather Tony a chance. I'm sorry
this you call so late because we're racing the clock here.
We got about a minute left. But I thank you
for your call. Yeah, and Kevin, please hang up. Thank
you for your call. Tony. You want to respond to
anything he said and listen, call back when we have
more time. And when you call back, please also call
with solutions, because you're just reading our problems and we

(02:57:34):
deal with solutions here. So Tony, you want to respond
to anything that he said, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:57:39):
I mean he's rehashing points that we've already made, and
we can keep talking about these problems, but as you stated, Carl,
we got to start talking about solutions. He's absolutely correct.
We have too many ego centered people in leadership positions.
But let's be honest, let's be fair. It ain't just

(02:58:00):
black volk with big eagles. The current President of the
United States has one of the biggest egos we've ever
seen of any international leaders. So this happens across the board.
What we know is in order to change the world,
we got to begin by changing ourselves. The easiest thing
in the world to do is to point fingers to

(02:58:20):
somebody else.

Speaker 10 (02:58:21):
To talk about what they're not doing.

Speaker 5 (02:58:23):
We have to be the example that we want others
to follow. It begins with you. It begins with people
taking personal responsibility for themselves, asking themselves, what if I
done wrong? What can I do better? How can I
work with other people who have similar desires? And then
doing that Callers that I've often said it takes a

(02:58:44):
disaster it takes a tragedy, whether it's man made or
an active God, that forces people to come to that conclusion.
And it's not going to be any different this time.
Circumstances are powering up and when things shift dramatically, let
the chiffs fall where they may.

Speaker 3 (02:59:05):
And we gotta let them fall right now to him
because we flat out of time for the family. Thank you, Tony,
and thank you for sharing your thoughts for high family.
Great done for the day classes dismissed, Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy for tomorrow morning.

Speaker 7 (02:59:20):
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