Latosha Brown, Dr. Obadele Kambon, Dr. Andrea Sullivan & Minister Christina Flowers on The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thank you for starting your
day with us again. Later, the co founder of Black
Voters Matter, Latasha Brown, will explain why we should be
more selective in our purchases for this holiday season. Before Latasha, though,
we'll reflect on the legacy and life of Iman Jamil
Abdullah l Amen, formerly known as h Rap Brown. Before

(00:21):
that discussion, author and sociologist doctor Andrea Sullivan will prove
her book The Sacrifices of Superwomen. But to get a
starting momentarily, Baltimore's homeless advocate, mister Christina Flowers will be here.
But first let's get Kevin opened the classroom door for
us this Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Grand Rising, Carl Nelson.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's a wonderful Tuesday, the twenty fifth of November, and
it's like, as always, where does the time go? But
it's a holiday week and so you know, for some
of us, it's a happy time. Hey check this out though,
in the time of looking out for our ancestors. But

(01:04):
before I go there, Hey, how you feeling, Carl Neilson.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm still learning, Kevin. I don't learn a lot this
morning as well. The guests, the line up where we
have but yeah, I'm still learning.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Well dig this.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Telsa Race massacred survivor Viola Fletcher dies at one hundred and.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Eleven years old.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yep, she's one of the last survivors of the nineteen
twenty one Tulsa Race massacre and she's finally gone to
be amongst the ancestors.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Your thoughts, Well, first, ye, you know, I'm glad she
was she lived long enough to tell her story. Then
it was good that we heard the real story, because
what happens if you not don't tell your story, somebody
else will tell it. So she was able to tell
what really really happened. So that's already documented, so we
thank her for that. Joined the ancestors. But we're also

(01:57):
mentioned in late yesterday that Jimmy Cliff, the reggae singer,
joined the answers as well. Did you see that story?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I did. I've got that story here.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Next, I thought you wanted to share a little more
about mother Fletcher. But yeah, man, Jimmy Cliff, he was
famous for the song the Harder They Come. His international
breakthrough came way back in nineteen seventy two. And you know,

(02:26):
there was Bob Marley and then there was Jimmy Cliff,
and he died at eighty one and according to The
Hollywood Reporter, his wife Latifa wrote that he died after
a seizure and a battle with pneumonia, and she says
I'm thankful for his family, friends, fellow artists, and co
workers who have shared his journey with him. And he

(02:49):
was one of nine children born in July, a fellow
can Sirian and his first records were way back in
nineteen sixty two with SCA all Over the World and
Trust No Man, and both tracks made it onto an
album called The Real Jamaicans.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
God Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we put him on
the map though his song I can see clearly now
that Johnny Nash. You remember Johnny Nash. Yeah, Johnny Nash
took that song and made a hit out of it.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Jimmy Cliff wrote it. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I'm not sure if he wrote it, but he recorded
it first.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, but it didn't get played like when Johnny Nash
picked it up and took it right.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's the only one that many of us have been
exposed to. Was right, John right, right. But the Jimmy
Cliff said that Bob Barney walked in like somebody who
was in a hurry to get somewhere. And he says
he since he was a very rhythmic person and very

(03:54):
aware of those words.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's all about your environment.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know, the people you have around you can influence
it life. And uh so I guess uh he influenced
Johnny Nash and White Cliffs genre with that man.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Uh huh. And so.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
In other news as time goes on, Pam Bondy reacts
to the judge tossing Coomy's criminal charges out.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Did you know that the judge?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I saw that story. And again we may be
playing their game because they're going to appeal now not
only call Me, but Letitia James two out of New
York right because they were ill prepared and the charges
of you know, basically judges get out of here with that.
There's favorous charges, wasting the government's money and time with that.

(04:43):
But they'll appeal, and if they keep on appeal that
they'll go to the Supreme Court. Well, who just basically
rubber stamps say any things they do. But Call Me's
already expects that he expects them to continue to you know, appeal.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, Judge Cameron McGowan. Curry found the appointment of Lindsey
Halligan as interim US attorney was invalid and unlawful. And
Halligan was picked by President Trump to bring criminal charges
against his political foes when a predecessor refused.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And so you can't just do anything.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Right just because you have a law degree. So somebody
should tell him that different types of law that people practice.
People never even some people never been in a courtroom.
You know, they got a law degree on it. Just
do contracts and stuff like that. Oh right, right, yeah,
they're a trial attorneys.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
You know, you gotta love sometimes.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I think, Man, he makes it look like all you
need is a directions manual to run their White House. Right,
he just opened up the instructions and if something goes wrong,
you just finally turn to the page where it tells
you how to do what you are trying to accomplish. Now,
I could be wrong, maybe that's not how he did it.

(05:57):
But in other news, speaking of the instruction, Man Trump
abruptly pulled the plan to announce Obamacare extension after significant
congressional backlash.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I know you've got something.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Oh yeah, because you know the healthcare rates are going
to go up at the end of the year, is
starting into next year, and people are concerned. But Donald
Trump says, okay, when he heard that, he's going to
extend it for two months. You know, this is part
of the deal that they did to get the keep
the government open. And so but his Republican pas, oh,

(06:33):
you can't do that. That's Obamacare. And the whole you know,
the whole backlash a bit about this is because the
name Obamacare. He wants trump Care. I'm trying to remember
what he said during the debate that Kamala Harris when
he asked about healthcare if he had a healthcare plan,
and just think they've had about twenty years to go
up with a plan and they still haven't got a plan.

(06:53):
All these brilliant minds they have on that side of
the aisle, they can't come up with a plan that's
better than Obamacare. And let's bugging him.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, he said some non sequatur like, you know, we've
got we're forming a plan, or it's too early to
expose the plan, but you know.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Or the makings of a plant makings. Yeah, we just
don't have a plan, right. What he knows he's gonna
call it trump Care. You know he knows that much.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh oh, he does. Well.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I just say, federal subsidies passed under the Biden era
Inflation Reduction Act I said to expire at the end
of the calendar year. And Americans are already receiving notice
that the monthly cost of their healthcare plans could jump
by hundreds or even thousands of dollars. And that's what
you're saying that made him decide to wait.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
He just decided. And then the Republican the Senators and
the House members that got to him and said, hey,
you can't do that. That's Obamacare, you know, that's like
signing off in the green and Obamacare works. And they
they managed to change his mind. But what's going to
happen now if those if this comes to fruition, Kevin, uh,
the residents that they represent are going to be on
their case, going to be calling them and says, you know,

(08:10):
I've got this kind of problem, health problem, and my
my premium just stored because of you.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, they have a pr problem on their hands as well.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
And it says they the White House and Congressional Republicans
that day in this case, are scrambling to agree on
a single strategy, while Trump has fed fuel to the
fire with his own suggestions of scrapping the subsidies entirely
and giving checks directly to Americans. That idea didn't have
any meaningful support though in Congress.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
No, No, I couldn't work. That's too labor intentions, you
know how much?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
What's that is?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
You're going to create a whole department to start issuing
checks and balances and figure like you know that that's
just too much work with too little time to get
it done. It's not saying that it can't be done,
but just just look, it's labor intensive, right right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, And there are many Republicans who are opposing the
idea anyway. Representative Eric Burlison of Missouri said, I would
absolutely not be supportive of that, not in caps, which
means what he shouted it he shout because it costs
more to run that program that then bring you know,
it won't be cost effective because it cost so much

(09:25):
to run that Just think about it. Every every person's
got a h medical issue across this country, and they've
got to fill out reports and make sure they could
you know, they really have that issue. But yeah, hey,
it's just labor intensive. Representative Greg ste But Florida said
whether he'd support extending the obamaca substantie. He replied no,

(09:47):
and then he said, fix health care for working Americans
or don't talk to me about subsidies.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
He said, so, but.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
They don't have an answer. That's it? Fix it? Is
it broken? Well, what what's your idea? Yeah, when people
will come with you and talk to say something that
they don't like this or don't like that, or what's
your better idea? You know, don't tell me why you
don't like it. What's your better idea?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Silence? Right now, silence.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
It seems to be we should have a better idea
before you complain about something, or.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
They should Look, it's the twenty fifth of November, six eleven,
and that's the way it is.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Thanks for your time, and we've got minister Flowers standing by.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, Thanks Kevin. Twelve after the topic, Minister Christina Flowers,
Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Oh grand Rising, to you call and all your great listeners.
Brand Rising Happy tell the truth to be over here
in our neck of the woods. And it's always an honor.
It's always I get the.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Family, let me share it with the family, versus Miss
Cristina Flowers. Carisiina Flowers is a homeless Africant. She works
in Baltimore and she's been doing this the street Baltimore,
that's her office, and she's been working to help the homeless.
And now we've seen it's getting cool or just straight
up getting colder, if you will. And then these are
the holidays, these are the times that we think of

(11:10):
it on house as we like to call them these days,
not the homeless on house, because many of them are
just just steps away from being in somebody's house and
somebody some of them are just couch surfing on people's
house or living in their cars, and many maybe a
check or two away from joining that crowd. And this
is what Minister Christina Flowers works with. So, Minister Flowers,

(11:32):
especially with the holiday coming, does this make your job
more more stressful helping to find and feed the homeless
or the on house?

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well, well, call you know, I definitely want to start
off your listeners because I always got to remember the
place I come from and when I think of every conversation,
whether how difficult this season and every season can be
while unsheltered individuals that live outside. I have to always

(12:05):
think about the Word of God because the government sits
on our God's shoulder, and we also got to be
minded that the word of God will never come back
to us on void. So I operate from a place
where I try to reach all the saints, because yes,
it is very difficult. In this season, it's even more

(12:27):
difficult here in Baltimore City, and I try to be
mindful call when I speak, never to be disrespectful to
those representatives that has to represent maur when there's all over,
because they got to represent a lot of people. But
for Baltimore City, it's definitely very difficult because we never

(12:50):
have a plan. And when I say we don't have
a plan, it's a lot of us, you know, some
of the grassroots organizations that just try to keep the
basic need met while unsheltered outside homeless individuals. But it's
becoming more impactful this season because it is mixed with

(13:14):
programs that we are losing here in Baltimore City and
just some of the resources, you know. So it's definitely
more difficult this season, probably because of some governmental effects
that's affecting some of the programs here, but we definitely
still stay focused that we was, We have been rooted

(13:37):
for this and it's a season for such as now
that we just have to keep pushing and understand we
have to meet their needs where they at, whether they
are under the bridges, whether they're in the woods, we
still have to advocate and make sure that these individuals
and a lot more when I see a lot more evictions,

(14:00):
a lot of people, a lot of seniors, even a
lot of veterans called like I'm identifying now every time
when I get exposed to a newer population, and definitely
we're dealing with a lot of veterans now. And and

(14:23):
I'm focusing around Baltimore City because you know, we got
to start the infrastructure at home. And I know as
those that represent Maryland, Durrs and other great counties, you know,
they talk in large numbers. But when we look at
a focus in Baltimore City or even in other little

(14:43):
counties and cities where you have homeless advocates, we have
to definitely be very very alert and alarmed right now
because it is a crisis.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well that thought right there, because we're gonna step aside
for a few months. When we come back though opponent
about the city. You know, in some cities they won't
cut off your utility bills during the winter time. They
won't or they'll have a moratorium on evictions. I wonder
if that, if Baltimore City has that, and also if
things have changed, because you know, this is what they
call the season of giving. Everybody seems banell, but they
want to help somebody, give a present here and there.

(15:17):
I want to know if this is because you've been
you've been doing this for years, if you've noticed a
difference of this time of the year when it comes
to helping the unhoused. Family, YouTube can join our conversation
with Baltimore Minister Christina Flowers. You can reach us an
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six
and we'll take your phone calls and Grand Rising family,
thanks for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning.
I guess his minister Christina Flowers, she is from Baltimore.

(15:39):
She's a homeless advocate. They're trying to help the unhoused
in Baltimore and especially this time of the year. Eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. By
the way, some'mnall you'd like to speak to her before
we left, though, Minister Flowers, my question to you is
Baltimore City or Baltimore County do they have a moratorium
on utility bills and evictions at this time of the year.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
No, And Carl, we just had an eviction last week
of a veteran so unless something changed than the matter
of the past five days. He was evicted from a
home that he occupied with a female companion for about

(16:22):
twenty two years, and basically the children wanted him out,
so it was a full blown eviction. I didn't even
realize they were still able to put people furniture outside.
But this just occurred last week with him. So there
is no type of special privileges going on, not with

(16:47):
water bills or BGE bills. I know it's been a
couple of special sayings in reference to given little percentages
or things to people. That's aupp flying for certain things,
but it's not stopping evictions and things of that nature.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, twenty two half the top that Bill Gooden has
been fighting for the war bills as well. How did
that turn out? Is he's still in the fight. If
they reduced the rates for people on fixed incomes.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
You know one thing about still in the fight. Yes,
Brother Bill Gooden and other great community leaders here in
Baltimore City. It's consistent in the fight of things. And
I know you know all of us have things that
we are passionate about in different levels, Brother Carl, So

(17:40):
that would have to be something that Brother Goodings would
have to speak on because I know some of us
as advocates, we go deep, you know, we go deep
and keep on top of things. And if I made
for a moment, Carl, I want to rest on something
because I know you have such an intelligent listening audience,

(18:01):
and when I think about some of the things that's
coming down the pipe. It was an article the other
day with Secretary Jake Day in reference to homelessness increasing,
and it also speak heavy on the lack of affordable housing.

(18:22):
And I want to spend a minute on that car
because we have to be reminded as advocates and activists
of the work that God has allowed us to put in.
And when it comes to fourteen years of doing the
work not only in Baltimore City but some of the
local surrounding counties, I'm grateful for some of the relationships

(18:46):
even down to our previous our former executive John Eo. Like,
I've reached a lot of people in a lot of
these counties representing but when it comes to Baltimore City,
you know, I have to be alarmed when we talk
about homelessness when people come from other places. I don't

(19:11):
care if it's Donald Trump, I don't care if it's
our mayor. I don't care if it's Secretary Jake Day.
You know, I challenge those individuals because when you talk
about Baltimore City and homelessness, we got to think of
the historical issues that we have endured way before Trump time.

(19:33):
And unfortunately, the word of God tell us it's a
time to uproot, it's the time to tear down. And
when you see a lot of these entities being tore down,
you got to think of the waste. And we have
had a lot of waste, mismanagement, misappropriation of funds in

(19:53):
Baltimore City when it comes to the homeless community. So
because of a lot of that waste, it's always has
been great suffering in the homeless community. So unfortunately, you know,
I'm not going to take the opportunity to say whether
it's Secretary Jake day, whether it's President Donald Trump, when

(20:17):
it comes to homelessness in Baltimore City. I truly believe
in the infrastructure that God has put here and we
can solve these problems. But if we have the lack
of engagement, when we don't get to engage with our
political leaders, when we don't get to engage with those
local individuals like mayors and city council presidents, then we

(20:41):
have to sit back and listen to some of the
public manipulation. And some of it is manipulation because we
don't have those issues in Baltimore City. Our issues is
the lack of engagement due to our leaders, due to
those who do not engage.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Grassroot gotcha twenty six after the top of the hours
and before we go to Mark in Baltimore. He's calling
on Kevin. I just wanted to let you know we
were searching for that word about Donald Trump about the
medical care healthcare. It was he had a concept of
a plan. I got a fan kind listeners. Now this
is up early and smart this morning. That's what he said.

(21:22):
He had a concept of a plan for healthcare. But anyway,
as I mentioned, we got Mark wants to join the conversation.
He's online too. He's in Baltimore, Grand Rising, Markey only.
Minister Christina Flowers.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Good morning everybody, and Bartimay, wish you hold your listen.
Is a meaningful and happy Thanksgiving holiday? Does coming Thursday?
Good morning past the Flowers. I'm a part of a
local neighborhood association here in Baltimore City. We have a
House against Owning committee, and we are very much out
to checking out on housing issues of a little bit

(21:54):
of a different sort. But we realized in our community
even we have people the homeless or you know, basically
unfortunately sleeping, we have a little park in our area
sleeping nearby, or there's been the squatters or anything like that.
I want to know, as a community association and as
a communians in general, how can we be own advocates

(22:15):
for housing for people you know, who are victims and
you know, we we like them to be in our community,
but we also like them to have a good housing,
you know, and not sleeping in unsanitary editions, unsafe and
at this point extreme cold weather that's coming soon. What
can we do to be involved in this process?

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Thank you, you know, thank you for that question, and
I'm grateful that you're here in Baltimore City as a
homeless advocate specialist, definitely reach out to me because.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
One of the things what.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
We have to see is developing and we have to
be able to develop the solutions. We have to develop
the ideas. We have to be a strength in numbers
and have the conversations of the solutions that's already in practice.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
One of the.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Things we do over here in West Baltimore we have
a model of emergency supportive housing and this is a
model that we should entertain in every district of Baltimore City.
You know, an emergency placement. Even if the police officers
engage a homeless individual outside in the cold within this district,

(23:28):
they come past our facility because they understand that these
not only the weather, but individuals will make the decisions
not to go into a shelter, and when they look
at those decisions, they will encamp outside in a park.
But the most important piece is engagement, and we have

(23:49):
to be able to engage them and put some solutions
in place that we as a community have it have developed.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Twenty nine after the top of our family just waking up,
I guess it's Minister Christina Flowers from Baltimore. She's a
homeless advocate in that city. And mister Flowers, I got
to ask you this question. I always ask you this
question about the elderly sisters that I saw in Baltimore.
They're sleeping on the sidewalk in the cold, and people
just stepping over there, and I'm just and that thing

(24:21):
that I mean, it's just seared in my mind that
these elderly sisters. That's somebody's grandma, somebody's mother, somebody's sister,
and people just walking all over them. It was a
bitter cold out out there. Are they still there?

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I called this alley is always in existence, and I
say that because it sits outside of the one of
my sister places facilities. And I'm glad you mentioned that
alley because they are in the midst of a transfer.
And when I say a transfer, like the building itself

(24:58):
is going to be re locating to another building.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Right.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So one of my biggest concerns is because a lot
of these elderly ladies have become so familiar with this alley,
They're back and forth all the time. So what happens
when y'all move this building and these ladies still continue
to come in this alley. So yes, that alley. You know,
it increases that time, it decreases that time, but it's

(25:26):
still an active encampment off of the Conteedra Street right
there in the alley.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Wow, family, we got to do better. We must do better.
Mister Flowers, are you seeing an increase in youngsters or
children in the homeless camps these days?

Speaker 4 (25:42):
We have seen an increase in all areas because you
got to be mindful. Call when your mother or your
family going through homelessness, the children are there too. So
you know a lot of kids is experiencing homelessness as
a family with their moms. So you know a lot

(26:03):
of kids will trickle off and go into the vacant
and abandon houses. You know, we've had some issues with
even losing some of the lives of kids that has
been found in some of these vacant houses. So every
area of homelessness have an increase going on. It is
a crisis.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Car Wow twenty eight away from the top of our
family with Christina Flowers or the homeless African in Baltimore City,
and Baltimore has a lot of abandoned buildings, houses that
are just boarded up and they're not being used. And
I know at one point there was talk about openings
of those buildings, rehabbing some of those buildings, and you know,
making them available not just as the homeless, but people

(26:43):
can combine these these buildings. Has anything changed on that level,
Aminist Flowers, Do you know if anything has changed, because
we could get some of the folks off the streets,
if that is, if that is happening or in progress.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Again, carl I got to go back to the statement
engagement you're talking about when you're seeing the vacant houses,
when you're seeing the spaces that we could be occupying
and using. You're talking about, you know, a dollar house
that they want you to have one hundred thousand dollars
in your bank account. For a lot of public information

(27:18):
that's put out there as a solution, it has a
lot of restrictions to it when the grassroots may choose
or desire to access that. You know, we had Alice Kennedy,
she was standing there with Secretary Jake day two. And again,
when you have these entities that do not engage solutions,

(27:41):
they do not engage the grassroots nonprofits to work with,
then we have an increase on these issues because no
one is enforcing some of the solutions to be used
towards the population of homelessness. You know, they got to
be generous enough, even behind the walls of city Hall,

(28:03):
to allow some of these places to be occupied by
the nonprofits that make can't meet their financial requirements.

Speaker 8 (28:14):
They willing to do that.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, I got a tweet question for you, mister Flowers
two and says, are many of the homeless veterans and
families or just a paycheck away from and they want
to know if the recent shutdown increased the homeless population
in Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
I think I spoke what I said when I first
came on. We are definitely having more engagement of veterans again,
these veterans. Speak about one of the veterans I spoke
to the other night, he feels like he lost his
trucking contract since the bridge fell down. He's he's sleeping

(28:52):
up under Saint Paul Street. He said he had a
full blown trucking company and when the bridge collapsed, a
lot of the consequences fell on a lot of truckers.
So that was some information that I felt. You know,
everything that's happening right now, people are being affected by

(29:12):
and being driven and to some type of poverty situation
or homelessness.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I got to ask you this because it's just the
season of giving, you know, people, there's something about the
Christmas time that some people seem to be happy and
that they feel like giving and giving presents and then
they want to help people in feeling all it's been
elving when it comes to helping people. Are you seeing
an increase in people want to donate to your carts
this time of the year.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Oh, yes, yes, we definitely do. Matter of fact, call
to give a shout out to Miss P. I'm gonna
just say Miss P she's one of your listeners and
last month she's been reaching out to me and been
very helpful with day to day supplies. So yes, people
do understand the importance of their generosity and the importance

(30:03):
of their giving, especially to organizations you know that may
not be caught up in that grant and that funding outlet.
You know, we just operate day to day with the
sustainable funds that we get from individuals to help us
do and some of the projects and consultant. So we
definitely is in great need of the support of the people.

(30:26):
We are definitely in great need of donations, whether it's blankets.
Shout out to Brother Joe because they're going to be
having a blanket drive for us the winter Coach right now.
Everything that's within season we are definitely in need of.
So I always encourage individuals to consider us as a

(30:47):
recipient to help us do the work that we're doing
here in Baltimore City on the grounds all right.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Twenty four way from the top of I got to
check the news and traffic coming up, and you know,
speaking of that clothes, I think we need to drive
there at our DC station instead of drive to help
the homeless too in the DMV, and also there's a
homeless advocate in the DMV that you're working closely with
as well. If you can talk about that when we
get back family, you two can join this discussion. Reach
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

(31:15):
seventy eight seventy six. Our guest minister, Christina Flowers. She's
a homeless affricate in the city of Baltimore, trying to
help the less fortunate, and you two can help, and
if you want to know how, just call us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,
and we'll take all your phone calls after the news,
traffic and weather. That's next and Grand Rising family. Thanks
are waking up with us on this what is it?
Tuesday morning? Here with our guest mister Christina Flowers from Baltimore.

(31:39):
She works with the homeless in that city. Before we
go back to it, let me just remind you. Coming
up late this morning, we're gonna speak to the co
founder of Black Voters Matter, Latasha Brown. She's gonna explain
why we should be selective in our purchase of this
holiday season. Then we're gonna have a discussion about h
RAP Brown And before we had that discussion, the author
and sociologist, doctor Andrea Sullivan will join us. And later

(32:00):
this week you're gonna hear from multi talented researcher brother
Katiah Wadu, also futuristic researcher brother Saideca Bacari and his story,
and Michael Limo Tip will be here. So if you're
in Baltimore, make sure keep your radio locked in tight
on ten ten WLB or if you're a DMV around
fourteen fifty w o L. All right, mister Flowers, you're
working also in conjunction with the homeless advocates in the
DMV era, can you share the information with us, we

(32:26):
still have missed the flowers with us.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Car I read that we have the kings and Queens
of homelessness. And when I think of the work that Sister.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Jennifer Jalencia does in DC. You know, this is a
young lady that went on a tour with me probably
about six years ago. I took on a tour of
encampments in the woods and she has a strong background
and modeling in all types of fashionable things. But when

(33:03):
she left that what we did, she went back to
d C and she started feeding every Saturday outside of
the mid Snider Shelter. So the great part about that
is Sister Jennifer will also be visiting and being a
part of the Wolb family because I do believe it's

(33:25):
on Saturday, she's going to start having a show come on.
And now they give an opportunity for people in d
C to really connect with some grassroots because she too
definitely operates out of ministry. You know, when I think
about the work she do, the commitment that she has
made to those individuals at the Midnighter shelter. She's definitely

(33:50):
someone that DC should be looking forward to, all.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Right, because the homeless problem is it's all over this country,
not just confined to Baltimore, but the rest of the
country needs a minister Christina Flowers to help the homeless
or the un housed, if you will. When you the
people are looking for places to stay at, Minister Flowers,
I got ask you this question. Do they look like us?
Most of them look like us?

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, we have a mixed population, a brother, Karl, A
lot of them look like us. When it comes to
individuals suffering with the substance of suffering with the mental health.
You know, a lot of them do look like us.
But we still have a strong mixed population. That is

(34:38):
really hard to discern the difference. You know, we can't.
It's hard to look at them when they're suffering, you know,
living in a tent or sleeping in a inhumane situation.
So it's hard to try to determine the difference.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Well, let me ask you this, though, there was a
time though we didn't see it homeless people, you know,
unless there was some probably junkies or they wanted to
be out there. And it depends on where you grew up though. Actually,
but there was a time there was more and more
compassionate in the black community. If somebody needed something, you
could help them out. But somehow this the later generation,
seems like all of this has changed. Have you noticed

(35:17):
that there's more fear.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I think a lot of fear has set in when
it comes to engage in the homeless community. A lot
of people. You know, when you don't have some of
the trained skills of engagement and how to see certain times.
I believe that's what happens. That's why, you know, being

(35:40):
specialists and working at this every day, I know God
is open in a way, so we could bring more
awareness and give people the tools and the ability to
just be able to engage them, engage them safely, because again,
when you see them, they could be having a mental issue,

(36:00):
they could be dealing with a lot of trauma. So
once we get the floodgates open call and have more
trainings and have more opportunity to equip and in power
not only us, but our churches, our bishops, our ministres,
this is an area that we look in to break
relationships with because equipping and empowering the saints is a

(36:25):
part of the ministry, and we got to be equipped
and empowered with dealing with humanity. When we're talking about homelessness,
you gotta look at it. You can't discriminate with it.
You gotta know how to approach it with loves. I
tell people with love is if they're acting up or
they in a behavior crisis, you gotta utilize the resources

(36:50):
and hold those resources accountable. Someone called me last night
and it was late.

Speaker 8 (36:56):
It was a.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Homeless lady outside And the first thing I thought of,
call nine eighty eight because I've been utilizing nine a
eight call and they've been very resourceful when it comes
to listening, talking on the phone and even sending people
out to the homeless community. So one of the things

(37:21):
is advocates, we really got to be mindful of the
public resources and we got to be the one to
enforce and make it sure that they come through. Like
when I get nine eight eight on the phone, I say, look,
the commercials say y'all will show up. I need y'all
to show up, you know. So it's really about accountability.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Call got you ten away from the top down family.
I want to just think about the homeless, you know,
especially this time of the year. Many of you are
going to engage in this Thanksgiving dinner. The food is
wasted because you know this, never everything's eating. There's a
whole bunch of food that's left over. Now, I've got
folks who haven't eaten probably in days who would be

(38:03):
grateful for some of that food that you're probably going
to throw in the trash. Is a way and I
don't want and be kind family, just just don't you know,
just you know something that you messed over, maybe a
pie that has uncut or something, or some meat that's untouched.
If they know that, can can they get that those
extra places of food to you? Or flowers?

Speaker 4 (38:22):
If I may call one of the things we're encouraging
people to do, to get some carrying trays, you know,
the carrying trays, and you may fix some extra food
and the carrying tray. You may sit it in your car,
you may put it in your back seat. But when
you get these carrying trays and you see all that
extra food, the leftovers, it will encourage you to fix

(38:44):
a plate, fix a plate for someone, give a plate
to someone they may be leaving and say, hey, take
this extra plate. You gotta think of things that we
can operate in when it comes to our generosity, when
it comes to our urban because it may not be
you that go out to the encampment. You may not

(39:04):
do it personally, but you have the opportunity to be
able to fix a plate, you know, make sure someone's eating,
get the extra carrying trays for the holidays, because that
will eliminate all of that extra food that you're talking about.
Trust me, once you start fixing plates, they will definitely

(39:25):
leave your house.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, that's it because there's so much food and this
you know, if you've got to these Thanksgiving dinners, there's
always a lot of food that's wasting stuff always most food, Yeah,
that ends up in the trash. So, family, if you
can figure a way wherever you're listening to us today,
after you've had that Thanksgiving meal, you know, go down,
if you're in La, go down the sched role down there.
We used to do that a lot every Thanksgiving Day.

(39:50):
And just health of folks who don't have you know,
don't have the ability to have a meal like like
you have. The sad thing about it, though you can
go home to your nice, warm house, they have to
sit there and you know where your next meal is
come from they don't. So if you can do something
for the homeless, especially this time of the year, we're

(40:10):
really really appreciating family because bottom line is where all
we got. The other folks are not going to help us,
you know, so we've got to help ourselves. But minister fly,
how much of the unhoused have emotional problems? And put
it that way, well, you have you.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Have a great percentage of our un housed that have
mental problems, substance abuse problems, and a lot of these
problems call we know will exist. But you know, having
this opportunity to be able to put this information in
a conversation again even to you know, some of the

(40:46):
great folks you're going to have up on here, you know,
it just give us an opportunity to think about humanity.
I don't care how successful we are, how brilliant God
has allowed us to be, we have to always think
about humanity in a solution because when you think about
focus giving as well, Carl, a lot of people this

(41:09):
time of year, like you said, they feel extra generous,
they feel extra wanting to give. Let's focus giving and
focus giving for us, especially in the grassroot community. And
I tell people, you know, reach out. You know, they
feel free to call me if they call me because
they know I will be out delivering plates. You got

(41:30):
some plates for me to come pick up.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
Let me come pick up your plan.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
We always trying to create and develop ways to keep
the general community in, the average individual with the heart
to give, to want to give. So I always put
that out there. We always looking for volunteers as well,
if you want to help us serve, if you want
to serve where you at. You know it doesn't take

(41:56):
a lot to go and serve our unsheltered poper And
I know it's different and every community, every district, homelessness
shows up in different ways. So it's our community and
that's what we got to think of doing serving.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's so true and as I mentioned, many of us
are just maybe one paycheck away from joining that crowd.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
So we can't look down a lot of new comings.

Speaker 8 (42:23):
A car.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Homelessness is new to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, but are you seeing an increase on up because
of the especially with the federal jobs to shut down
and then even the private companies are laying people off as.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Well, a lot of people, a lot of people are
seeking resources called and I'm going to say, I don't
care if it's the snap benefits. I don't care if
it's something to help them with some form of their household.
Every a lot of new people are seeking ways to

(42:57):
get some financial assistance, to get some help right now.
So again, you know, we we got to think of
how we can be an impact to those individuals' lives,
not just homeless. You know, some people are in their
houses and dealing with eviction for this holiday. You know,
some people got notices on their door. Some people don't

(43:18):
know what their Christmas or their Thanksgiven going to be like.
So everybody is dealing with this situation in a lot
of different ways, even if it's in your family. We
have a tendency of thinking we don't know individuals that's
dealing with eviction or dealing with homelessness. But some of
us will be surprised our own family members can be

(43:41):
dealing with it and not publicly talking about it.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So true, and some people don't want to talk about
it because they're embarrassed, you know. Yet, yeah, so how
do you counsel those folks that though? And mister Flowers,
they don't obviously they don't want folks to know that
they're job and that they don't have any savings or
their savings have been evaporated, trying to stay warming, to
stay in the building, and now they're on the street.

(44:08):
How do you help them?

Speaker 7 (44:11):
All we can do, all we can do call is.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Rely on ministries, rely on the mentors and individuals to
help us counsel. Like it's not a it's like a battle.
And when you see people dealing and facing homelessness for
the first time, it's really like a battle because they
be the ones that be like.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
But I heard this on the news.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Can I just go and do this? Like it's so
many restrictions and such a process when you're trying to
access some of these services, and some people wait to
the last moment.

Speaker 8 (44:46):
Call.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
And that's what I would like to encourage all my
sisters and brothers, like, don't be embarrassed. Don't wait to
that last moment if you know you got that eviction
or you're facing something, because it really takes a village,
Like it's going to take people to pull together. Like
I got resources. I feel like I can make things happen,

(45:08):
but I will be much more powerful if it comes
in a pace where we all can deal with it together.
It is bigger than me. You know, Homelessness is bigger
than one entity, is even bigger than some of our
political faces that want to represent it. But you know,
we got to kind of address this like a strength

(45:29):
in numbers. And that's where it's leave.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Nothing right there, minutes the Flowers. We got to check
the traffic weather at different cities when we come back, though,
I want to find it. It says it's bigger than you.
But what drives you, what keeps you, what compels you
to be on the streets and helping the homeless, and
we want to hear your story. Family, YouTube can join
this conversation with Baltimore's minister Christina Flowers. Are trying to
help the homeless in that city. Reach out to us
at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

(45:53):
and we'll take your phone calls after the trafficking weather together,
it's next and grand rising. Family. Thanks are starting your
Tuesday with us. And I guess Baltimore's minister Christina Flowers,
she's a homeless advocate in the city. She works tirelessly
to help the homeless and also come up to the momentary.
We're going to speak with doctor Andrea Sullivan is taught
by some Bold Sisters with doctor Sullivan. But first it's
rapper with Minister Christina Flowers. Before you answer my question, though,

(46:16):
Minister Flowers. Gelona is calling from Baltimore online too, Grand Rising, YORLANDA.
Your question or your comment for Minister Flowers is Geelanda
there online too?

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Hello?

Speaker 10 (46:28):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I can hear you?

Speaker 10 (46:30):
Now go ahead, Okay, I just I'm calling from Capitol Heights, Maryland,
and I want to say thank you so much Christine
Flowers for what you do. It's people like you who
makes the difference in the world and then it shines
through I was telling them for my sixtieth birthday, which

(46:51):
I've always fed the less fortunate, But for my sixtieth birthday,
I had a fifty five passenger coach bus pull up
at my birthday libration, Me and fifty five of my guests.
We went out and we fed the less fortunate. I
had purchased two hundred meals from Feed the Fridge, and
also we went out on a Good Fas tour after that.

(47:14):
But on my fiftieth birthday, I went to New Orleans
and did three random acts of kindness. So and you
can look me up on YouTube The Land of Price
sixtieth birthday.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
All right, thank you, thank you for what you're doing.
All right, Elanda, thank.

Speaker 10 (47:31):
Thank Christine Flowers. She is she is out there and
she's just doing it. And I'm just so proud. I
don't know her, but I'm really proud of her. Maybe
her and I get a chance to work together.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Oh sure, we'll see if we can make that happen.
Because my question before we left in the traffic and
weather up there, was from mister Flowers, what makes you
do it? What? What?

Speaker 8 (47:53):
What?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Because you know you could be doing other things. You're
out there helping the homeless, getting having conversations with people
that want to talk because they look a certain way
or me smell a certain way. But you're out there
doing the world and you're doing it tires. How long
have you been doing it? First? And what makes you do it?
And what keeps you doing it?

Speaker 8 (48:13):
You asking me that question, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 10 (48:16):
Oh, yes, Well I grew up in a home, abusive home,
and thank God, when my grandfather took me, I was
in the fourth grade and I prayed to God and said, Lord,
please let he was sixty some years old. I said, Lord,
please let him be.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
There for me.

Speaker 10 (48:32):
I always be there for him. My grandfather died in
two thousand and three. He was ninety eight years old.
But all my life I have always tried to help
people who were at a disadvantage. So helping the less
fortunate is what I stand for. I've taught my kids
that too, you know, to stand up for people can't

(48:52):
stand up for themselves.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Good for you, Thank you, Elanda, thank you for sharing
that with us. How about you, minister Flowers. Mister Flowers
still with us since were lost there again? All right?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
We talk about when we talk about ministry, call thank you, Landa,
thank you so much, because ministry is what motivates us.
When we think about the Word of God and some
of the assignments that he put in our path and
our destiny. We're going to act on that. We're going
to act on that level of love. So thank you

(49:28):
for your ministry. And ministry is what pushes me every day.
Call because I know the journey since twenty thirteen and
it's been September since we started this, and it's it's
all about ministry. That's all I can say. Like God, God,
has to give us the ability to know that this

(49:49):
is like kingdom building work. We should never forget the
less fortunate. We should never forget and not have a way.
We got to create ways to meet their needs withre
he at. So thank you Yourlanda, because those are special
occasions and you extend it your love and your resources
of your friends to be able to help them. And

(50:12):
that's what is all about, sacrificing our self, our love
and our times. So I thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Before we let you go, mister Flats, how can people
help you? Someone listeners now, if they're not in Baltimore,
how can they reach you? And if they are in Baltimore,
how can they get closer to you? If they want
to have that extra plate? Come Thursday after.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
You know, Carl, I always put my number out four
one zero three six five five five sixty seven. You
can text me if I don't respond. We have a website.
You could go to Wwwhelp Brought Timorre's homeless dot org.
But I'm definitely engageable. You know, you could pick up
the phone. We can have a conversation. I love to

(50:57):
hear solutions. I love to hear us coming together with
ideas and no donations are too small. Like we even
have a day to day cash app that's dollar Sign
Real Care Network, which is named after my organization, because
we really care and we put it all out there

(51:20):
for people to get involved and help me, help you
help us call and we thank you so much and
your listeners. I'm so encouraged by the last caller because
it really takes us know what it means to live
this life of being anointed and appointed for such a
time as this. So it's all about ministry and all

(51:41):
ministries need to come together for humanity.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
All right, Thank you a minister Flowers, and thank you
for the work that you do and been doing it
for so long, and thank you for looking at for
a homeless population.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Thank you, brother Carling, your listeners, you guys have a
great and a wonderful holiday.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
And remember but just fix those plates.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Guys, fix the plate so before we go, you know,
because the Holliday's come up to fix that extra plate.
Can you have have you got people to help you
go pick up?

Speaker 7 (52:12):
Yeah, we do have volunteers if you if you have things,
if you're in a certain area and you want to
fix plates or give out something again, you could give
me a call for one zero three six, five, five,
five sixty seven.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
We do have about three or four volunteers that's going
to be driving around with us. We have some folks
that's going to be fixing some plates as well. So
there's no problem to come pick up your plates if
you want to be able to serve the community, because
we definitely all we got in this situation and God
is all we need.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
There you go, and no one should go hungry, at
least not now in this country.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Ready, nobody going hungry this week. I got to finish Balltimore.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's make it happen. Thankive minutester
Christina Flowers, Thank.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You, Carl.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
You have a great day and a great holiday as well, you.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
As well a family. Let's move on now to doctor
Andrea Sullivan, Doctor Sullivan, Grand Rising, thank you for being
so patient with us and welcome to the program.

Speaker 11 (53:13):
Thank you so much. I'm so grateful to be here.
And grand Rising to you as well. I was intrigued
by the last by the last comment, especially when she
said that we have to sacrifice ourselves. I'm my most
recent book, The Sacrifices of Superwomen, Natural remedies to restore

(53:37):
balance is what we're here to talk about today. And
I have a little bit of a disagreement about that
word sacrifice. What that means is that's what we've been
doing as African American women for centuries, sacrificing ourselves and
therefore giving from a lack and not an abundance. In

(53:58):
my humble opinion, i've first ministry is to ourselves and
then we can give to others. And so what we've
done as African American women historically is give to others
and not ourselves. Hence we have the health statistic disparities
that we have and the constant sensation of lack and

(54:19):
not good enough in our communities. I didn't intend to
start this conversation with that, but I had to speak
on that word sacrifice, Carls.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
So no problem rolls out on this program. Sometimes, you know, right,
the energy just takes us in a different direction. But
if we do all that, though, doctor Sullivan, give us
a little bit of your background, because this is sort
of richer we have here for the first time. Guess
just around deal.

Speaker 11 (54:47):
So, as I said about my book, the sacrifices were superwomen,
natural remedies to restore balance. It's a combination of two degrees,
several degrees that I have. I have a PhD in
criminology and sociology from the Universe Pennsylvania. I'm from Philadelphia originally,
and I have a naturopathic medical degree from Bastia University

(55:09):
in Seattle. The book of a combination of those degrees.
I'm a sociologist. That hurt part, and then I chose
to do something differently called naturopathic medicine. And that's because
I taught at Howard. That's what brought me to DC
where I am now. I taught at Howard for several
years after I got my degree in sociology and criminology,

(55:32):
and then I went to naturopathic school because teaching sociology
and criminology in the seventies, when the system was already
designed to take especially our African American men from high
school to prison was not life giving, and I needed
something that was life giving. I was a special assistant
in the Carter administration under Patricia Roberts Harris, who was

(55:56):
the first African American woman to be a presidential cabinet
memory or at HUD and that didn't satisfy me. Either
because I realized that what I was supposed to tell
a group of protesters outside of HUD that morning that
was awakening for me was something different than I was
to tell the press, and that just didn't sit right

(56:18):
with me. So I realized that my days at HUD
were certainly numbered and I needed to do something else.
And then I was tired all the time. I was
only twenty nine years old. I had a faith full
of acne, I was overweight, and I thought to myself,
when I'm seventy, this is not going to be cute
at all. So now I'm more than seventy, and I'm cute,

(56:42):
and I say that, you know, kind of playfully. But
I looked better than I did when I was twenty nine,
and I know it's because of what I chose to do,
which is, as the term is today, pivot into a
whole new career that is life giving and is life
saving called natural medicine. So that's a brief history of

(57:04):
who I am and what I do and what I've
devoted the last forty forty two years of my life
to is naturopathic medicine. And I believe that.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, I want to jump in and ask you if
you could define that for us, what is natural?

Speaker 11 (57:20):
Nature means nature and past those means suffering. So it's
it's to heal the suffering with something from nature. And
that can be of course food, it can be herbs,
it can be air, it can be water, it can
be light, it can be anything that's from nature, nature paths.

(57:42):
We treat people, not conditions. That's the biggest difference I think.
Can we do it with natural substances. We look at
the whole person, So we're looking at the physical, emotional, mental,
and spiritual state of the person and not just the
physical state. We want to understand the root cause of
the condition. For example, abuse is very popular in our society. Unfortunately,

(58:09):
many women that come to me have been abused physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually.
I look at the effect of that abuse on the
physical body because it does have an effect. Ultimately, could
be twenty years ago that this abuse happened, but the
manifestation of hypertension or diabetes is just coming about. So

(58:29):
we're looking at the whole person and prescribing natural substances
and lifestyle changes so that we can understand how the
body can heal. The body can heal itself given the
proper support, and that's the key. Most of us don't
give the body the proper support, which is what my
book delves into in terms of how to do that.

(58:51):
I always tell my patients that doctor means teacher, it
doesn't mean God. So we work together as a team.
You can't just drop your body off and pick it
up at five o'clock like you would a car. You
have to get involved in your health. You have to
get involved in your well being. We don't get I
always like to say too, we don't get a headache

(59:12):
from a lack of aspirin. We get a headache for
many different reasons. To be stressed, worry, constipation, not enough water,
not enough sleep, an argument with someone. All of these
things can create this disease. And it's not necessarily that
you have to take a tile and all. So nature
paths focus on the whole person and we focus on

(59:35):
natural substances to heal that person and what the root causes.
We listen, and that's a big difference between nature apathy
and allopathy. Allopathy is conventional medicine as you know it.
But they don't listen because they don't have the time
to listen, and that's a huge problem. And African American

(59:55):
women feel that all the time going into an appointmentppointment
is five minutes after you waited an hour to see
the doctor. Not all doctors don't misunderstand me, but some
of them have the very poor time management and also
don't take the time because they have to get to
the next person. So that's that's so perfic medicine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
All right, Hold that though right there, we got step
aside for a few months. We come back. Let's talk
about some of the health problems that that you know,
some seem to be acutely affecting the sisters or all
the black community in general. I'm talking about stuff like hypertension, diabetes,
and even now dementia. We've seen that a lot of
people coming down with dementia Parkinson's. Before we didn't hear

(01:00:41):
about those diseases. Now it seems more and more prevalent
in the black community. So maybe you've got some answers
for us. Family, you want to join this conversation. Our
guest is doctor Andrea Sullivan. You can speak to her
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand
Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning.
I guess is to Andrea Sullivan. She's written a book

(01:01:01):
called The Sacrifices of Superwomen, Natural Remedies to Restore Balance.
You've got a health challenge or a health question, see
the lady you need to speak to, and you can
reach her at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight
seventy six. And don't be bashfor you don't have to
use your real name, you know, to take advantage of
her expertise. I always tell you when it comes to health,
health is wealth. This is all you've got. You've got
to be proactive when it comes to health. Doctor Sullivan,

(01:01:24):
before we left out, asked you to talk about some
of the issues that seem more acute to our community,
like diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and now with the different kinds
of cancer and also dementia Parkinson. So I'll let you
pick up anywhere you want to start on that line
and just tell us why you think there's been an
increase and what can we do about it. Have we

(01:01:51):
lost a doctor Sullivan? Kevin, all right, we're trying to
get the doctor Sulvan. But while he's doing that, elementary minds,
you come up at eight o'clock, we're gonna have a
discussion about uh, the person formerly known as h Rap Brown.
That would be Imam Jamie Abdullah l a men. You know,
he passed away on Sundays and originally Chairman Frere was

(01:02:14):
gonna joints, but chairm and Fred's plane got directed. So
you know, there's a lot of crazy it's going on
the airlines these days. So we're just going to open
the phone lines and hopefully we get some people call
in as well. I want to hear about you what
you remember about h Rap Brown and so many people
just remember this the saying that he had, and I
know some people remember him and if you don't look
at look it up. So that's for the younger crowd,
you know, remember with him and Stokely at a Snake

(01:02:36):
before Stoker became U kwame Terray. All right, doctor Sullivan.

Speaker 11 (01:02:42):
Yes, is it something I said that made you hang up?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah? Probly somebody cut the line. But uh, some of
some of the issues that are facing you know, not
just the sisters, but but the black community itself. And
before you even go down, you know, just pick out anyone.
But before you do that, though, why do you think
if they affect us more acutely than other races?

Speaker 11 (01:03:07):
Why do I think what affects us some.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Of these issues pressure, dementia?

Speaker 11 (01:03:13):
Oh yeah, absolutely, it's very clear to me, sexism and racism.
I mean, and if you, of course we're including the brothers,
then we just have to say racism and the racism
certainly is not just something that's obvious. It's insidious and
it has its tentacles everywhere. The situations that we're in

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now especially certainly adds to that with the lack of
DEI and anything that even looks like African American, because
they don't want us.

Speaker 8 (01:03:44):
To know who we are.

Speaker 11 (01:03:46):
You don't know who you are, you don't know where
you're going. So in this day and age, especially with
all African Americans, the system is a sick care system.
First of all, it's not a healthcare system. So well,
that's another issue, and that we have our own set
of issues in terms of lack of self love. And

(01:04:06):
I say that with all due respect. I've certainly experienced
it myself. It's not something I'm unfamiliar with. But we
don't take the time to care for ourselves as much
as we could, and African American women especially are caring
for everybody else but ourselves. We're caring for children we
didn't know, our husbands had. We're caring for our nieces,

(01:04:28):
our nephews, our sisters, our mothers, our fathers. We're caring
for everybody. And again we're giving from a lack as
opposed to giving from the fullness of who we could be.
And yes, giving is important, giving to others who are
less fortunate. When I grew up, my mother always ended
our grace with and may we always be mindful of

(01:04:49):
the needs of others, and I hold that to be
very sacred in my heart. My great grandmother started the
first unwar Mother's Home in Philadelphia, so my family has
a history of giving back and being concerned about the
needs of others. However, we have to be concerned with
our own needs as well so that we can continue

(01:05:12):
to participate. I've been saying this long before. The airlines
say that take care of yourself before you can take
care of others. Put the mask on yourself before you
put the mask on others. When you're in an airplane,
it has to happen otherwise resent that happens, and we
are not feeling well about ourselves. So, to directly answer

(01:05:33):
your question, again, sexism and racism are the issues that
create the problems because the lack of self worth leads
to low self esteem. Low self esteem leads to sabotaging
oneself in many, many different ways, whether it's sitting on
the couch snacking on ice cream and bomb bonds, or
whether it's gossiping about another person, or not feeling good

(01:05:57):
about ourselves, talking about ourselves and giving out ourselves words
that are not encouraging. So racism sexism are certainly, in
my opinion, the cause of our situation, in addition to
the health care disparities and the kind of inhumane treatment

(01:06:18):
that African Americans have been getting for centuries. As it
relates to quote healthcare, African American women were always used
as models, as experiments, whether it was gynecological or whether
it was something that related to the heart. We've always
been experimental people for their different heroic efforts, and now,

(01:06:41):
of course with the studies that they had, they hardly
ever do studies on black women because the system generally
is a sick care system and doesn't choose to have
Black women being healthy. Our whole health system doesn't want
us to be healthy. We have big pharm we have
big farming that farms corn as opposed to fruits and vegetables.

(01:07:05):
Farmers get subsidies for corn, not fruits and vegetables and
certain other organic fruits and vegetables. So it's a whole
system that has itself against us, and that means we
have to create a new paradigm. We have to be
proactive for ourselves, and that's what this book is about

(01:07:26):
the sacrifices of Superwomen, Natural Remedies to restore balance. We
have to be proactive and create our own wellness and
begin with baby steps. Small steps don't consistently make a difference.
I've always said that, so I hope that answers your question.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
It Shirley does at twenty eight at the top the Family.
Just checking in. Our guest's doctor Andrea Sullivan. She's written
a book that was a title that she mentioned, The
sacrifice is of Superwomen, Natural Remedies to Restore Balance. Joining
us right now from Los Angeles, Sister Serrita. She's online
one Grand Rising Sisters three with doctor Sullivan.

Speaker 12 (01:08:04):
Grand Rising, Carl Ground Rising to the audience and of
ground rising to your guests, I'm I'm what would like
to I'm dealing with uh some some mild or health issues.
I have high blood pressure. I am dealing with obesity,
I have I'm pre diabetic. I have to tears in

(01:08:28):
both nees and and I'm sorry, I have tears in
both monisca and both needs manisca steers and authoritis in
both needs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Dealing with.

Speaker 12 (01:08:49):
Pyramidal palls and and so I'm dealing with with quite
a bit on medications, not a lot, but enough to
know that I need to do something. My My first
first question is what do you recommend regarding inflammation.

Speaker 11 (01:09:11):
Because I deal with a lot of that.

Speaker 12 (01:09:12):
I have a edema and the toward toward my ankle
and then to my ankles, and then also dealing with
menopause and the mind, because you can assume that if
you I'm sure you know that you deal with faulk

(01:09:34):
fault mind, you know you can't remember.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
And things of that yourself.

Speaker 12 (01:09:40):
Yes, So if you could just touch on all of
that that I put on your plate, and I'll take
my comments off the air, but I appreciate you.

Speaker 11 (01:09:51):
Just to thank you, thank you so much. So next time,
get me something easy to talk about. No, that's a joke.
That's a joke anyway. Yeah, that's a lot. You're dealing
with a lot, but I hear it all the time. Unfortunately. Again,
I bet you have a backstory. Whether or not it's
a relationship that went bad, or children that didn't treat

(01:10:11):
you right, or a father or mother that didn't treat
you right. I'm sure you have a backstory. So and
having said that, that means your whole body again physically, mentally, emotionally,
and spiritually, has been affected. Specifically, if you're talking about stress,
you know chronic stress originates in the digestive system because
most of our immune cells are in the digestive system.

(01:10:34):
So I would ask what you're eating. That's number one,
and you can get direction in my book The Sacrifices
of Superwomen Natural Womens to Restore Balance. I would ask
if you're taking a probiotic. I would ask if you're
taking things like fish oil or Mega three because that's
a great anti inflamatin. Now, I don't know anything about
your healthcare and what medications you're on, so I'm kind

(01:10:57):
of overstepping here, but these are things that you can consider.
And again my book has a list of things that
you can certainly consider as well. I'm wondering if you
get enough sleep. Most of us do not get enough sleep,
and sleep is important for healing of the body. Sleep
is important for healing the digestive system. When we're under stress,

(01:11:19):
we are always the digestive system is always shut down.
When we're understressed, that part of the nervous system just
shuts down. So the system that is controlling our digestive
tract is no longer working. And that means that we're
not able to digest our food properly and eliminate our
food properly, so we have problems with elimination as in constipation.

(01:11:44):
Chronic stress also reduces blood sugar utilization, so you don't
get the blood the sugar taken out of the blood
and put into the cells as effectively as you might.
So dealing with inflammation means you have to deal with stress.
How does one deal with stress? Baby steps, one step

(01:12:05):
out of time. Small things done consistently make a difference.
So I ask, do you exercise? I heard you talk
about the situation with your knees, but there are chair
exercises that you can do that are on YouTube, or
you can walk even if it's ten minutes three times
a week. That's why I start people ten minutes three
times a week, or the chair exercises ten minutes three

(01:12:28):
times a week. Watching your diet, what does that mean?
Reduce your fried foods Your sugar. Sugar is a great
inflammatont Sugar makes the blood increase. Think of the word inflame.
It means to set a fire. So you've got heat,
you've got redness, you've got discomfort. There are certain herbs

(01:12:50):
that can help with that, and like I said, not
that fish oil is an herb, but certainly fish oil
is one of them. Flax seed oil is another. Things
like quercitan, things like ashwaganda, ginger, bosuelia, all of those
are good anti inflammatants. Your blood sugar can be assisted

(01:13:14):
by something called berberine. Again, I don't want you to
go run out and take these things because I don't
know what other medications you're on, but I do want
you to look it up and see if that's something
that would assist you. Turmeric is another great anti inflammatant,
but also meditation, and I say that with great earnest

(01:13:38):
because meditation allows one to not only talk to God,
but listen to God.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
We all have God.

Speaker 11 (01:13:45):
Inside of us. That's where God resides. God doesn't necessarily
reside in heaven with a white beard, and there is
a white man. No God resides in us. We each
have a spark of that thing called all that is,
so when you go inside, you can listen to God.
Prayer is talking to God. It's very different. So even
if you meditate ten times a day for a minute,

(01:14:08):
that's better than not meditating at all. Listen to your
inner voice. Whatever gossip or negativity you're involved in, whether
it's a family. Sometimes we have to separate from our
families because they're too toxic. The other thing I want
to encourage you to do is drink water. How much
water do you drink? Probably not enough, that's the answer

(01:14:29):
for most people. Again, how much sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Do you get?

Speaker 11 (01:14:32):
Probably not enough, that's the answer for most people. So
these are things. Again, small things done consistently make a difference.
And these are all things that are highlighted in my
book The Sacrifices of Superwomen. Natural remedies to restore balance.
So I hope that answers some of your questions.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
Right, and that's what answer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Yeah with doctor Andrew Sullivan's the author of the book
and the Sacrifices of Superwomen, Natural Remedies to Restore Balance.
I got to tweets for your from two sisters. Let's
take the first one. Caroline says, it only gets five
hours sleep a night, wakes up every morning at two am?
Is this enough?

Speaker 8 (01:15:11):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:15:13):
That's the short answer no. So the question is why
are you only getting five hours sleep? Well, the first
of all, the question is are you rested when you
wake up? And is that five hours? What are the
hours of that five hours? You say you wake up
at two am every morning? Is there something that wakes
you up? Is there snoring going on? Is there noise
going on? Is it your mind just won't shut down?

(01:15:36):
What is it that is creating the two am wake up?
Sometimes people have so much on their minds that they
can't get to sleep or it wakes them up. I
encourage you to write down and do a brain dump
before bid. Just write down all the things that you're thinking.
You don't have to have a period, and a question
mark in a commet does not have to be grammatically correct.

(01:15:58):
It just has to be you dumping your thoughts and
giving your thoughts onto the paper, tearing it up and
burning it. Now, if you have a list of things
you have to do and you don't want to destroy
the list, that's fine, but still write down the list
and go to bed. The other thing is about sleep again,
this is all in my book. Your room temperature needs

(01:16:22):
to be somewhere around sixty two to sixty four. People
tell me, oh, I go to bed with my temperature
on seventy five. That is too warm. The body does
not rest well in that kind of heat. And you
need to have a sleep pattern, so you need to
have sleep habits. Take a shower, go to bed. Don't

(01:16:43):
take a shower and then clean. Take a shower and
then read. Take a shower and then watch TV. No,
take a shower, go to bed. Don't do anything else
between the bed and the shower. Be mindful of your
sleep patterns. People get on the phone, they take a shower,
they get in the bed and get on the phone. No,

(01:17:03):
move the phone to another room. All those electromagnetic ways
from the phone will be in your body. So move
the phone to the bathroom. Move the phone to a
whole other room. Now, if you have an aging parent
as I did once I did have the phone closer
to me, but that's no longer the case unfortunately, So

(01:17:25):
the phone now is no longer in the bedroom. No
TV in the bedroom again, all those electromagnetic ways are
going towards you. And then you've got the stuff that's
on the TV. The bang, bang, shoot them up. Whoever's
getting locked in the trunk of the car. No, those
are not things that your immune system, that your nervous
system can survive, and they do not do well for

(01:17:47):
your overall sleep health.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
All right, hold up, thought right there, doctor, Check the news,
traffic and where they're our different cities twenty three minutes
away from the top they A family just joined us.
I guess she's doctor Andrea Sullivan. She's written a book
called The Sacrifices of Superwomen. Natural Remedies to Restore Balance.
You want to join this conversation, reach out to us
at eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy
six and we'll take your phone calls after the news.

(01:18:11):
That's next and Grand Rising Family, thanks to staying with
us on this Tuesday morning. I guess this doctor Andrea Sullivan.
She's written a book called The sacrifices of superwomen, natural
remedies to restore balance. Got some tweet questions for her
before we go back to her. Thet'll it just remind
you coming up after the first we finished with doctor Salvin,
we're gonna have a discussion about h Rob Brown or
some of you know him as a mom Jamil Abdullah

(01:18:34):
al Men, we're gonna talk about him. I want to
hear from you. We're gonna op the phone line and
you can reach us at eight hundred four to five
zero seventy eight seventy six. And later this week you're
going to hear from multi talented researcher brother Kitty Awadu,
also futuristic researcher brother Sadika Baccari, also a historian. Michael
m o Tip will be here. So if you are
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tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in the

(01:18:56):
dmv 'or on fourteen fifty WL. All right, Doctor Sullivan.
This tweet from Danis has seven to year old mother
has all time is related to dementia. Any help? That's
all the words she shared.

Speaker 11 (01:19:09):
Yeah, well that's a tough one, and I mean I
don't know to what degree she has it or what
her behavior is like. Again, we treat people not just conditions,
but certainly her, We want to make sure her immune
system is functioning properly, eating things like fish to get

(01:19:30):
Omega three oils and not eating saturated fats and fried foods.
You know, diet is just so very very very important,
and I recognize that many times people can't afford to
eat well. But if there's just one thing you can
do per week, or one thing you can do per
month that is good quality food, maybe you can get,

(01:19:54):
you know, one bushel of kale that's organic for example,
per week. Do something to you try to move your
diet forward in a way that says no chemicals, no
food colorings, dies, those kinds of things, because they create
havoc in our system. Our bodies are not designed to
have those substances in our system. So that's all part

(01:20:19):
of it. That, it's all a part of it. Certainly,
exercise and doing mind to mind puzzles in the books,
those things are helpful. Again, I don't know the degree
to which the mother has this condition.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
All right, hopefully he's still there. I hopefully we have
lost solving you're still here. Have we lost doctor Sullivan again?
It's like a line drop. See if we can get
it back because another tweet question for her. This tweeter says,
Grant Rising, you and your guest please ask about plants
for sieties. I hope I'm pronounced that correctly, foot problems

(01:20:57):
and sinus problems. What are the best remedies for these problems?
So we will get doctor Sullivan backer I get it
to respond to those questions. The book, by the way, again,
it's titled The Sacrifices of Superwomen Natural Remedies to Restore Balance.
In the books she talks about the soul Journi syndrome,
the stress of sexism and racism. We wanted to talk
about that as well, and also food because you know,

(01:21:17):
a lot of times when we speak to natopathic doctors,
they always say it's what we eat. It's our diet
that causes the problems. Doctor Sullivan, you're back with us,
not hearing doctor Sulvin. So anyway, Kevin, see if you
can get it back on so we can answer this.
Oh ees, all right, there you are, Doctor Selvin tweeted

(01:21:38):
question for you, tweet us is Grand Rising to you
and your guest ask the guest about plan tele for sidis,
foot problems and sinus problems. What are the best remedies
for these these problems? Thanks?

Speaker 11 (01:21:51):
Well, those are both inflammatory conditions, of course, but everything
is inflammation. Let's start there. The disease is inflammation, and
the inflammation, as I purport in my book, is from
the sexism and racism and all of the stress that
we have, especially now in this country. But sinus problems

(01:22:12):
are from inflammation and from foods that you eat. Things
like cheese can create sinus problems. Dairy dairy is for
baby cows. Dairy is not for us. Let me make
that clear. I believe dairy is for baby cows. Cow's
milk is for baby cows, not for us, and sinus
infections can come from that unless there's some physical concern

(01:22:36):
with your sinuses, meaning that you have a deviated septum
or something like that. Generally speaking, it's about diet and
plant on Phasiatis again is inflammation. I would seek an acupuncture.
Acupuncture is part of naturopathic medicine. Naturopathic medicine again includes
everything from nature, herbs, acupuncture, homeopathy, diet, nutrition, lifestyle changes.

(01:23:02):
We have to include We include all of that in
naturopathic medicine. But plantar fasciitis also responds well to anti
inflammatants that I told the woman with the knee problems,
ginger tumeric, fish oil, Omega three, especially Oswa Ganda. Make

(01:23:23):
sure your digestive system is operating effectively, because that's where
chronic inflammation starts in your digestive track. That's where our
immune cell. A lot of our immune cells are in
the digest in the gastrointestinal track, meaning from our mouth
to our anus, and that's where the problems arise in

(01:23:45):
that track, especially high blood pressure, high blood sugar, et cetera.
Because the system shuts down under stress. We have to
be mindful of the stress.

Speaker 8 (01:23:56):
You see.

Speaker 11 (01:23:56):
It's not just one thing that helps to cure something.
That's what the sick care system has us to believe. Oh,
you have a headache, you take a tylenol, like I
said at the beginning of the show.

Speaker 12 (01:24:08):
No, you don't have a.

Speaker 11 (01:24:09):
Headache because of the lack of aspen in your system
or a lack of tylenol. You have a headache for many,
many reasons. You don't have plantar fasciitis because of the
lack of an inflammatory substance in or anti inflammatory substance.
You have a fasciitis or sinuciitis because of a lifestyle
that you're living because of your diet. So focus on

(01:24:30):
those things and heal yourself with your awareness of what
it is that you can do to better serve your
body as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Gotcha, thank you for that. Eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy sixth. Doctor Andrea Sullivan's I Guess
Family and her book is called The Sacrifices of Superwomen
Natural Remedies to Restore Balance and is checking in online too.
Calling from Baltimore, Grand Rising, and you're on with doctor Sullivan.

Speaker 9 (01:25:00):
Hi, I had about a year ago and they took
me off the fish oil and they've said it interfere
with my blood dinner.

Speaker 11 (01:25:13):
Yes they can. That's why I said to the person.
I said to the person earlier, I don't know what
medications you're on, so they have to research it. That
is actually accurate. If you're on blood centners, you don't
want to take things like fish oil or vitamin E.
Those both can decrease your can sind your blood. However,

(01:25:34):
I would encourage you to ask your doctor, who may
or may not be willing to do it, to see
if your blood cinner can be reduced. Again, I don't
know your particular situation, so I'm always hesitant to give
out this kind of advice, but ask, is there any
way that it can be reduced? And or you can
certainly eat fish like salmon, halib it, sardines, mackerel, cop

(01:26:00):
that increase your omega three oils so that you don't
necessarily have to take a pill. But you're taking some
foods that increase your ability to have more omega three.
So I would ask if there's any way to decrease it,
and I would also take in more of the fish
I just mentioned, and all those fish are listed in

(01:26:22):
my book The Sacrifices of Superwomen.

Speaker 9 (01:26:25):
Okay, then let me ask you one more quick question. Okay,
now I just okay. Now, I went to the doctor
about my hip. I thought I would have to have
hip replacement, but he told me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
I had of writers in my back that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:42):
Causing my hip pain. So they wanted to give me
a tech in my spine.

Speaker 11 (01:26:49):
And sorry, they wanted to give you what.

Speaker 9 (01:26:54):
They wanted to give me a serbod shot in my back,
and my daughter in law told me not to take it.

Speaker 11 (01:27:01):
No, that's right, she's right, because the shots ultimately reduce
your bone density. That's number one, and they're simply temporary.
What I would do, I would certainly look at my diet.
I would cut out all dairy. I would eat again
more of the fish I talked about. I don't know
what your vegetable intake is or your fried food intake.

(01:27:23):
I would eliminate the fried foods. And you know, as
we're moving into this season of the eating marathon from
Thanksgiving to Christmas, I would just encourage all of you
who hear my voice to just reduce some of the
things that you would eat. Push back from the table.
You are worth it. You are your greatest asset. You

(01:27:44):
are the one who are taking in these substances. Your
body can't handle it. Your body is the kingdom where
God resides. So treat it with respect, treat it with dignity,
treat it with some sense of reverence, because it's a
marvelous machine if it's treated properly, if it has the
proper support. So if you're going to have three pieces

(01:28:05):
of pumpkin pie, have one and forget the whipped cream,
so just use your common sense. Those things cannot be
good for you. And sugar, as I said to the
woman who has knee problems, sugar is the greatest inflammating
of all sugar and dairy products can inflame the joints.
So those are things I would encourage you to decrease,

(01:28:26):
if not eliminate, from your diet to deal with this
osteoporosis and to your hip pain. They are also exercises
that you can do to decrease the pain, so I
would look up those exercises on YouTube again, their chair
exercises to strengthen the hip muscles so that the pain
can be decreased. Okay, thank you, appreciate it, and God

(01:28:50):
bless you, and God bless you too. Happy Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
All right, thank you all of those. I think we
got to check out. Now check out the trafficking within
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(01:29:17):
Family thanks to staying with us on this Tuesday morning.
Our guest is doctor Andrea Sullivan. She's written a book
called The Sacrifices of Superwomen, Natural Remedies to Restore Balance.
So Mom and toldy, we're going to talk about h
Rap Brown is known as h Rap Brown. Some people
say you should never call any by his government name.
Is real respect in Iman Jamil Abdullah l men, because
that's what we're going to talk about. Family, So you

(01:29:37):
can call us an eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six before we do that, though, I got
a question for doctor Sullivan, doctor Salvion in your book,
which is what I really like. You have a list
of foods to include in foods to avoid because a
lot of people come and tell you should need this,
you'dn't need that, but they don't tell you what you know,
give you a substitute. But this is what you've done.

(01:29:58):
Why'd you put this in the book.

Speaker 11 (01:30:00):
Well, because of just what you said. You know, people
are saying this is what you need, deep, this is
what you don't need deep this is what you needed,
This is what you need to do, and most people
don't know what to eat. I have been for forty
years or more than that, actually had to get a
simple water. Excuse me doing diets based on blood type,

(01:30:24):
which I learned from my mentor, and based on my
blood type because I was vegetarian during that time. When
I said I was tired all the time, I had
a face full of acting. I was overweight. I was
only twenty nine years old and I'd been vegetarian for
seven years, so I'm thinking, well, why am I overweight?
Act me all this? My blood type is B, and

(01:30:46):
indeed I should eat fish and occasionally LAMB, but for
the most part I should be vegetarian. But I wasn't
eating any animal protein whatsoever. So I learned through that
process and through my own work with myself off what
I should be eating, and that's what I've incorporated with
my patients. So I do diets based on blood type.

(01:31:07):
And I have a full list of things that are
in my book and some information about blood type diets.
So that's why I put it in there. Because people say, well,
I should be vegetarian or I should do this, or
I shouldn't do that, and we're confused. We're confused about
what to eat, and we have to understand again, diet
is critical when you're talking about disease, Diet is critical.

(01:31:32):
I just want to go back because I don't think
I gave enough time to the sister who asked about
the mother with Alzheimer's. I just want to mention the
herb ginko by Loba that can produce some effect of
Alzheimer's and another lion's main mushroom, and certainly most importantly
staying hydrated. Hydration. The brain is seventy percent water. We

(01:31:55):
have to keep ourselves hydrated, and I generally recommend fifty
percent of your body weight, So I weigh one fifty.
For example, I'm five ten. I drink seventy five sixty
to seventy five ounces of water a day. I start
every morning with a leader of water. So I encourage
your listeners to stay hydrated. Again, the ginko and the
Lion's main and the other thing I want to say

(01:32:17):
is in your advertising. You know you say information is power.
Yes it is, but it's not if you don't use it.
So I'm encouraging your listeners to buy this book and
use the book. Don't just let it sit. Use it
holiday time, buy it for yourself as a gift, Buy
it for all the superwomen in your lives. Buy it
for the men in your lives. Because everybody gets sick sometimes,

(01:32:39):
everybody has chronic stress. We need to know how to
handle it. So that's what I want to say. Go
ahead with your next question, Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
All right, My question is we're just about out of
time here, five after the time. How can folks get
copies of your book? Though?

Speaker 11 (01:32:53):
Oh so, I'm sure bookshop dot org, bookshop dot org
is it's a conglomerate of small bookshops around the country.
That's one way to get it. Of course, Amazon has
it if you have an Amazon account and bookshoft dot org.
I have a button on my website, doctor Andrea Sullivan

(01:33:15):
dot com that's d R A N d R E
A s U L l I v A n dot com.
That button will take you to Amazon, and those are
the ways you can get it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
All right, Thank you, thank you, thank you. We've got
to do a follow up on it with this, doctor Sullivan.
I thank you for rinning agree. Yeah, thank you for
looking at for our sisters.

Speaker 11 (01:33:38):
Yes, indeed, and I'd appreciate time more time with you, Carl,
and thank you for all that you do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Before you go, though, before you go. Got a question,
the tweets are coming in late. Let's do this before
we talk to doctor Campbell. Ha's call from Ghana, Doctor Sullivan,
where there is concerned, Can you clarify the use of
Greek yogurt as a digestive balancer of good bacteria in
the digestive track.

Speaker 11 (01:34:01):
No, don't use it. When I say no like that,
I really mean no like that. It's a dairy product.
It's milk. You can get a good probiotic. You go
to a good health food store. I don't know if
there's moms near you or something like that. They're very
helpful to get a good probiotic and leave the milk
products alone. Leave the milk. Milk is for baby cows.

(01:34:23):
I've said that for forty years. So now people are
beginning to understand that some of us, especially African Americans,
think about this. We don't have the enzyme to digest it.
We're lactose intolerance, So what do we do We get lacta? No,
you don't take a lactase till. Don't take it, don't eat,
don't drink the milk, do plant based milk and take

(01:34:45):
a probiotic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
So true. Thank you, doctor Sullivan.

Speaker 11 (01:34:50):
Thank you. Happy holidays to everybody, Eat well, love yourselves,
and God bless us all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Alrighty family, let's go to Ghana. Doctor Cambone is joined us.
Doctor Cambone, Grand rising, welcome back to the program.

Speaker 8 (01:35:08):
It's doctor Cambone, the good to be on the program.
How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Oh, we're still learning, brother, and thank you for Yes,
we can hear you. We can hear you loud and clear.
We're in Ghana. Are you out right now?

Speaker 8 (01:35:25):
Proud Ghana? Right now. I live outside of the Eastern
Region and the craft a mom boone, but I happened
to be doing quite a few things for an upcoming
initiative that we have that's been endorsed by the Office
of the President, our picture year for Turn Times Keen.
So just doing a lot of the groundwork prior to
the announcement that's going to happen on December nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Oh. Yeah, we want to talk about that, but first
we want to talk about h Rap Brown is some
people knowing, but his real name he was a mom
Abdullah l Jamal Abdullah L men what's on him? If
you if you you're in Gannet, so what if if
you would tell the Ghanaians about about him? What would
you say about him?

Speaker 8 (01:36:09):
So, you know, just by way of you know, its history,
I would give people, you know, just a broad sweep
of his life in terms of going through what are
often characterized as different eras. So for example, from you know,
quote unquote civil rights movement era, a student non violent

(01:36:31):
Coordinating committee, you know, going into you know, the Black
Power era, you know, going into you know, his conversion
to Islam and uh, you know, just a lot of
things that happen in his life that really defines, you know,
what a lot of black people were dealing with at
various points in time, you know, after the assassination of

(01:36:53):
uh Alcoex and things along those lines.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:36:57):
And then also couched his life in the common six
of you know, the context that he was you know,
born in So he was born in Baton Loup, Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
nineteen forty three, actually just a month after my father.
And you know how even that type of context shape
them was known as you know, one of the quote
unquote for militants. Uh, you know, leaders coming out of

(01:37:20):
the era, especially after non aquirements Ray formerly on the
Stokely Carmichael handed over you know, student non volcab committee
to have and for him, he was like, Yo, we're
taking the no think the non b out of there.
You know, if a new dog, it's a new Dave
is American is terry pie and uh, you know we
need to go ahead and get down and this America

(01:37:42):
isn't got to come around, and we need to burn
America down. So like you know, he was known as
rap right. Uh, you know his birth name was Hubert
Jerald Brown. But the age after Hubert is where the
h rap come then because of you know the Queen.
That's what I said rap, because he could really rap.

(01:38:03):
So you know, I feel like a lot of people
wouldn't know the background to him or the contexts in
what he grew up. And you know that really ships
as a man, as a person, ships amounts a leader,
and you know you'll see him on cliffs. He was
a very opposing thing. You're like six files. Some people
say he's seven fee tall with afro, and uh he
became They actually had laws that they passed. You know,

(01:38:26):
it was actually reminds me of Proco in South Africa
that they had like an eight rap brown right, that's
just for him. You know, you can't cite a riot
if you go across state line, the riot happens, then
you're inside. And that was really because him that they
said he was so powerful and eloquent speaker that he'll
go somewhere and speak. And he was you know in

(01:38:49):
sight at quote unquote riot. Now not a riot, this pavilion.
It's a rocheous revolution, you know of black people. But
that's what I would do. I just let people know
about him. Wouldn't so that people would know him or
you know, even about any of these eras I'm talking about,
because well those of us who are in the US,

(01:39:11):
a lot of this would just be elementary. Not everybody,
because you know, the best education system, but you know,
people have gotten you know, their their's gonna involved around
what may or may not have happened in the US.
I wouldness that people would know about Eras or know
about him, but you know, just kind of do a
needs assessment about all that and then you know, just

(01:39:33):
let people know about him, who he was and what
he meant to us as a past as a people.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
All right, hold, I felt right there doctor Campbo and
and the state because we want to hear more about
the eventual having coming up later this year in Ghana.
It's called us from an outside of crowd family have
twelve minutes after the top there, I was speaking about
uh the band as you mentioned these forming known his
h Rap Brown. He was in prison, became a name
Mom jamil Men and Ron's joined us online six or Washington.

(01:40:03):
You see Ron Molton, Ronnie, your thoughts on aka FKA
if you will rap Brown, h Rap Brown? Your thoughts Ron, Well, I.

Speaker 13 (01:40:13):
Just first of all, I like to pay my respect
to him and all my ancestors who sacrifice so much
for us. And one of the things I learned from
him and other great leaders who sacrifice the reality basically
their life for the people, for humanity, is that you

(01:40:34):
have to understand that in this country, in the world,
when it comes to black people, those who sacrifice are punished.
And if you're going to be a leader. I was
always taught by even some people work with kings who
I used to be around, that you are going to
be attacked and you have to be prepared for it,

(01:40:56):
because that's how they operate. And here you have a
person like this brother who was going through things in prison,
and you find all type of criminals pardon, but this
guy couldn't be pardoned to spend the rest of his
time and life with his family and his community. And
this is what we go through. And it just, you know,

(01:41:17):
heartens me to see another great leader die in prison.
But at the end of the day, he stood for
what he stood for and we love him for that
and we appreciate that all you know, all of his
sacrifices and many others who have sacrificed that sometimes our
own people turn our backs on them, you know, and
we just got to, you know, make sure that this

(01:41:39):
is known to our children, the next group of leaders
that are that are raised in the world, that people
like him, we stand on their shoulders because they sacrifice
so much for us, but also to know what comes
with the territory.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Thanks Ron, thank you for sharing your thoughts for us.
Moten is an activist in Washington, d C. The Go
Go Museum. How's that going? Before we let you go round?
Its still in operation? An events coming out man.

Speaker 13 (01:42:10):
We've been we've been raising resources and funds were getting
We just had the Deltas there, uh, the Federal City Deltas.
They spend a ton of money in the museum. We
had the Anarkosta Volunteers event there. The other day. We
just had young i't know. We saw the article in
the Washington Post, uh where we bringing back Go Go
to the young people. So we had middle school students,

(01:42:32):
high school students from the region compete against each other.
And they're going to be competing uh at Sycamore and
Noke on December the six and then they're going to
be playing together at the Go Go Wars on January
the sixth. Uh for the Go Go Wars at the
Lincoln Theater. Well where a location that was once called
Black Broadway. So we working man, we educated people. We're

(01:42:55):
bringing people together. Uh we we as I told you,
we brought our brothers and sisters from Brazil Columbia and
they perform with Go Go bands. Were connecting the world,
all people together in unity and love with our music
and our culture. So it's been going well. We can
get more people come in and support the cafe. They

(01:43:15):
once they get in there, they love it. But we
got a cafe too, so it's going well man, And
the cafe talks about the diaspora that we created as
we left Africa, going to Brazil, going to Belize, going
to Cuba, going to you know, different parts of the world,
you know. So we're doing well man, you know it's
going it's getting better. As far as the resources, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
All right. So if folks want more information, is there
a phone number or a place that they can go.

Speaker 13 (01:43:45):
Yes, www, Go Go Museum Cafe dot com. You can
go there and find out everything about the museum. Once again.
We have actually have an event coming up this Saturday,
the Create Fest that we're doing with the Anacostia Center
that's in Anacostia. They close down, so they're using our

(01:44:05):
space for the Anacosta Our Center for the Create Center,
the Create the Convention I'm sorry, and that's gonna be
all day with different companies, different entertainers who sell records,
but also different entertainers coming through to perform. We had
the food that's from one o'clock to I believe six

(01:44:26):
o'clock this Saturday, so people can come through for that.
We got black Flat Friday sale twenty percent off of
all our clothes at the museum this Friday, and once
again like Anacostia is the next Black Black Wall Street.
We have over one hundred businesses in Anacossia and many
other are stores and restaurants.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Oh good deal. I thank you Ron. That's Ron Moting
from washingt D. Thank you for sharing that information.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Sam. We discussing appreciation.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
We're discussing discussing Jamal Abdulla our men forming known asation
Rob Brown, I guess it is doctor Cambone. He's called
us from a crowd GNA doctor Combod. We got to
take a short break so we come back. I want
you to give the folks a little bit of your
history so people know they know your name and know
about your dad. Now you use to live in the States,
but they don't know what you've accomplished while you've been

(01:45:12):
on the continent. And of course we want to talk
more about our fearless leader who left us that would
beat your meal abdul out Man family. You want to
get in on this discussion, you can reach us at
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and we'll take your phone calls next and grant Rising
family thanks to staying with us on this Tuesday morning
speaking with doctor Cambon and he's call us from a

(01:45:34):
crowd Ghana. Also brother Sidiki Camboon. He's going to join
us Momentelli. First, we've got the conversation of about the
man who said America is as violence is as American
as cherry pie. People say it was an applifibers, it
was cherry pie back then he was another h Rap
Brown that was back in the sixties and the mid sixties
when he said that, he went on to because doctor

(01:45:56):
Combo mentioned he went on to join your steak with
a Sneak and he was there with Stoke with then
stocom Michael went on to be from me Teray. But
that's a combo for the folks who are having you
for the first time because you moved to your entire
family to Ghana. Before we talk more about h Rap Brown,
what made you want to move to Ghana.

Speaker 8 (01:46:18):
Well, I can't say exactly similar to Hrap Brown, ok Jamil.
I mean, but I my self experienced you know, racism
and you know, so forth up the hands of the
polite and I made a decision that you know, never
again will I be in a jurisdiction where you know,

(01:46:38):
some white judge, so called white judge can this said,
I'm not going to see my family for ten years
that you know, they're going to lock me up on
some Trump up charges. And really, anyone who's in the
US knows that at any point in time, it doesn't
matter if you're a billionaire or a CEO or professor
of twenty PhDs. You know, if you're black and on
a whim, they can shoot you on a whim. You know,

(01:47:00):
even post racial scholars like Skip Gates, they'll kick in
the door and knock him up. So you know, for me,
you know, I just decided, let me go to a
place where you know, people, especially in the US, grew
up in the USC quote unquote white people as having
almost unlimited power. You know, you'll see the stopping frisk
and all the type of thing. Well, guess what, in Ghana,
they can't do stopping frisks. They just don't have the

(01:47:22):
manpower on the ground to do stopping friss They can't
do driving while black. I'm sure they wish they had
the power to do that, but they just don't have
the officers on the ground to be able to do
driving while black. And plood. Everybody here is black, so
they wouldn't get very far with that. So, you know,
because I did a year study, I brought my mother
brought me here in nineteen ninety eight, I got a

(01:47:42):
sense that there are other opportunities in the world beyond
you know, this tango dance that we're doing with these
non blacks in the United States of a murderer. And
you know, I actually thought of it when I saw
that Baba Jamel Alamin had is that, you know, because
he was still you know in the US. You know,

(01:48:05):
they said, oh, you know, after I think it was
something like after twenty eight years, we finally got him.
And you know, basically what they were saying is that
what he did in his youth, they never and it's
like Haiti, they never forgive black people for beating them
or defeating them or making them look bad. So they
have a grudge against ip to have a grudge. They

(01:48:25):
had a grudge against man outside a Shakur million dollar bounty.
They basically are dedicated to make sure that there is
no example of successfully speaking up against them, fighting back
against them, defeating them in war, or anything else. So
you know, for me, once I'm clear on that, then
I know that I am not intending on living in

(01:48:47):
a land where they have the power to do all
the things that they do, Like I'm just gonna you know,
they'll be like, I'm just gonna lock this guy up
because I don't like what he said back in you know,
nineteen seventies. Oh, I'm gonna lock this guy up because
you said burn America down. I'm gonna lock this guy
up because he fought back against the police. Right the
police are shooting at him, He's gonna shoot right back,

(01:49:08):
you know, I'm talking about back in the seventies. But
then you know, they're gonna just trump up some charges
where you had another guy, Otis Jackson, who actually admitted
to you know, shooting these police officers. But they don't
want to hear that. They're like, yo, we got the
one who we want. So you know, for me, I
moved my entire family here, both of my parents, my

(01:49:29):
wife is here. I have five children here. I'm a
professor at the University of Ghana, both the award winning scholar.
As I mentioned earlier, we have an initiative that's been
endorsed by the Officer of the President called Decade of
our Repatriation. Dr so if you look at the year
of returning, it was basically like a year to return
and come and party or whatever people were doing. This

(01:49:50):
isn't about just return and then go back and get
a knee on your neck, go back and get I
can't breathe, go back and get hands up, don't shoot,
and being Filando, ca stealed and Sandra blanded. This isn't
about any of those. This is where people can actually
come and get their citizenship. They can actually come and relocate.
So this is an initiative that's been put forth by

(01:50:12):
Repatriot Toghana dot com. Again, that's Repatriotsaghana dot com. We
have those who are our clients who were already submitting
their names for the next list of citizenship. And you know,
it's a beautiful thing when people can come back home
and be accepted, be respected, and they don't have to
deal with all of the shenanigans of you know, Donald

(01:50:33):
Chump or anybody else that you can actually live and
you're not worried. And you know, for me, it actually
dawned on me when I was driving in hot chose
a neighborhood and a crop and a police car. You know,
pulled up behind me with sirens going and lights flashing
and just went around me. And I realized. I was like,
I think this is the first time in my life
and I was driving since I was sixteen. I was

(01:50:56):
I think that's the first time in my life that
a police car came behind me in my heart didn't
jump like literally a physiological reaction. Quarters are you know,
popping off for fight or flight type of response, and
you know, people just think those things are normal. But
I said, this is the first time that I think
in my life that I didn't have that type of situation.

(01:51:18):
And I think people don't realize the stress, the you know,
impact on the heart and so forth, that those type
of things happen until they're out of that situation and
they realize that, you know what, that's not normal, right,
We get used to it, but it's quite abnormal.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
Yeah, well, yeah, I can convare to that I've experienced
that myself. Family. Twenty eight minutes off the top of
the hour, you heard doctor from uh Ghana. He's speaking
doctor Obadelli Akadi come bone. He's speaking to us from Ghana,
just sing about brother a, mom and Jamil abdulah l
I men formerly known as h Rav Brown. So let's

(01:51:59):
go stateside from home and speak to brother Sidigi Comba
your thoughts on the man formerly known as h Rap Brown.

Speaker 14 (01:52:09):
Well, uh, let me just say this, brother Kyle, that uh,
physically we've lost brother Alavan Viasily h Rap Brown, but
in terms of his spirit that's still among us. Look,
I'm a grandfather and uh, you know comes through the

(01:52:33):
many years and you know, being a black man, you
understand if you're out here advocating for our people, then
you're going to be under attacker. I've lost jobs, things
of that nature, the whole thing based on what I do.
But for me, uh, the spirit of that brother still exists,

(01:52:53):
and I believe in some respects it's gonna have an
impact or already is having any impact on our younger
folks out here. Give an example recently, I was in
a meeting and so one of the young men in
the meeting, it was brother's ancestors, and they said, you
know the brother said, you know, he said, Brother Sadiki.

(01:53:18):
He said, you know, there aren't many folks like yourself
left out here, but we really appreciate you in terms
of who you are and have been and have inspired us.
And so I just give that an example of brother
Ellman in terms of the impact that he's out. You know,

(01:53:39):
he might have been imprisoned. These are the physically, but
as it pertains to his impact and his belief and
what weird black people have to do, it was alive
in a well outside of that cell wall. And so
he's a brother that we need to look at, as
you know, as an inspiration and it's important to carry

(01:53:59):
on the work that he has. You know, Beene isuelved
with and many of us are involved with. So he's
an inspiration inspiration.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
All right, thank you, brother brother, see you with the
newbie and leadership circle. We'll talk to you guys next week.
Brother Sidiki, thank you for joining us this morning. Yes,
all right, let's let's go back and let's go back
across the ocean to doctor Cumbo and doctor Pane. You
have a conference on Black liberation coming up?

Speaker 8 (01:54:25):
Yes, we do. Actually, so we have three events and
these are part of the pre announcement events for a
decade of our repatriation. So the first is actually coming
up this Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and that's the b
b to me, a Bibi fan Judier Film Festival a
f f b b too me translates to black power

(01:54:47):
and the tree language of Ghana and abba jodi translates
to black liberation again in the tree language of Ghana.
So see I bib to me a bib Fajudia Film Festival.
For those who are interested, they can check out film
Fest adults a Bibefajodier dot org. And I'll spell ajdier.
I think everybody else knows how to spell film festival
and the dot org. But bbfijdier is a b i

(01:55:10):
b i f a h oo d i e so
film Festival a bbfajodier dot org. And we have you know,
quite a few, you know, notable you know actors and
you know people major in the film industry who are
going to be a part of this event. And what
we're doing is we're highlighting you know, long form documentaries, films,

(01:55:32):
you know, student films, animations and so forth that are
all touching on the theme of what black power is,
demonstration over conversation or be about what you said that
you're about. You got so many people who just grab
a mic and you don't know, all right, does this
guy even have a black wife. You know, where's this
person's children? You know, is this person taking care of

(01:55:53):
their parents?

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Like what?

Speaker 8 (01:55:55):
They're just kind of free radicals. They just hop up.
Your might say some cute stuff, but you don't know
if the actually about anything that they say that they're about.
One day you may see them and a donhiki. The
next day you may see them and the tuxedo is like,
you know, where is this person? So this is really
about those who have demonstrated what black power is. And
we have people who are doing amazing things here in

(01:56:16):
Ghana and beyond. But you know, here in Ghana, those
who are dealing with agriculture. We have a brother who
has this huge Maringa farm that is open for investments.
We have another brother who's doing a multimillion dollar development
you know, actually a couple of towns away from where
I'm located in the Eastern Region. We have all these
people who are doing just such amazing work. And these

(01:56:37):
aren't the people who are just trying to grab the
next microphone. And oh, I'm the you know, speaker of
the year. I'm the keynote speaker for life. Right, I've
declared myself like a dictator keynote speaker for life. These
are some of the unsung heroes but who are doing
amazing work that's transforming the lots of people by like
I said, dealing with agriculture, with housing, with building, in

(01:56:58):
the film industry, and every single aspect of life that
you can think of, from psychology to culture and slash
history to you know, environment, to education, to spirituality, to politics,
to social all of it, to health, all of these
different components. So that's for the film festival that's coming
up November twenty eight through thirtieth. It's going to be

(01:57:20):
on the ground in Ghana and also virtual, so we're
taking away excuses from people. They'll be like, well, I
can't come to Ghana, so I can't participate. Wrong, you
can't participate. We have a virtual component. You can see
all of these films. You know, these are films some
of which have never been seen before, never been screened before.
And there's going to be award ceremony component and we

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actually named the Legacy Award after my father, Nanakamal Combund
Legacy Award and that's going to be given to Niquaiti
Awol who had groundbreaking films back in the early seventies.
One was called you had Me where he was able
to actually get into the basement of the British Museum
I call it the British Museum and take of these
artifacts that hadn't been seen by anybody Black for sometimes

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one hundred, two hundred and three hundred years, and he
actually uncovered that under the British Museum actually had a
railway system to go from one city block to another
city block worth of stolen artifacts. They were like, oh,
this is the Beneth Section of stolen artifacts, this is
the Assisia Section of stolen artifacts. And it was just
mind blowing. So a lot of what you see now

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that's kind of topical in terms of the repatriation of
artifacts back to the continent. He was, you know, one
of the pioneers for that. So he is the recipient
of the Legacy Award. We have others who you know,
have played in major films like be Some Nonation and
so forth. I'm a kase A Jay nine who's probably
the biggest actor in Ghana right now. Kafee Day very

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well known here in the Ghana space, you know, dealing
with the media and so forth. So just so many
you know, major names and my creative director is on
a multi award winning director uh and he's actually lying
in from Nigeria tomorrow and then myself hosting. So that's
the first of the events. Then we have the virtual conference.

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That one is happening December fifth, the seventh, and that
one is on bbtwo me dot com. Again that's Black
Power A b I b I t U m I
dot com. And then finally we have the grand one
which is December twelfth through the fourteenth, and that's part
of the Sancophi Journey s A n K O F
A j O U r n e Y Sancophi Journey

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dot com. And that, like I said, it includes the conference.
We have you know, some of the government endorsements from
the Office of the President, GNA, Tourism Development Company, Ministry
of Tourism, all of them will be you know represented
well there at the conference. On the first day, some
of these people will have multi million sometimes multi billion
dollar project that are all under the umbrella a decade

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of our repatriation. They'll be speaking. On the second day,
we have another award ceremony, this time not for film
but for those who are dealing with demonstration over conversations.
So Chairman Fred Hampton Junior will becoming live in the
flesh all the way here to Ghana to receive an
award for his own work, but then also a posthumous
award for his father's work. We have others, you know,

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President Ibrahim Tarred were presenting an award to him. President Muhamma,
the President of Ghana, who actually spearheaded what we now
know as a citizenship initiative that's now been you know,
copied by Sierra Leone and Benin and getting Bisal and
so forth and so on, that he was dealing with
that back in twenty sixteen, and I was one of
those who got citizenship back there way before the year

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of Returner all of these other you know, initiatives even
came up. So you know, we have quite a lot
going on, and anybody who's interested you can download our apps.
Just do a search on the app store or the
place store for a bbtwo me and you'll find out more. Also,
you can go to a bbtwo me dot com and
find out more about all of the events that are happening.
But basically what this is is the solution to the

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problems that we talk about. You know, sometimes people will
come to Ghana and they'll see, you know, white imaginary
white boy and a sticky I call him a BRONICKI
bob right. Uh, this this white guy who everybody prays
to every Sunday And they're like, well, why is that
happening in Ghana? Well, where are you in order to
change the narrative, because the so called white missionaries are

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here twenty four to seven coming that into people's heads. Well,
where are you to do something like a film festival
to get the idea of black power out there, to
get the ideas that we're championed by those like Dona
Jamil Alamin? Where are those who are you know, coming
with the idea that we don't have the.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
Doctor Kimbo, we take a short, I'll let you finish,
but yeah, well please tell us. You know, when you
get people here, you're having a black liberation conferencing Ghana.
We figured that if you're Ghanna, you're already liberated, So
explain it that for us when we get back as well.
It's twenty three note's away from the top of a family.
Were speaking with doctor Combo and call this from Ghana

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outside of a craw You want to join this conversation.
Reach out to us right here at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for
staying with us on this Tuesday morning. Our guest is
doctor Abbadelli Comebone. He's moved to Ghana. He's a Ghanaian
citizen and he's a professor at the college at one

(02:02:22):
of the universities there and he teaches Ghanaians how to
speak their language, tweet and the other languages as well.
He'll tell us about that. But he's having a conference
on black liberation in Ghana. And before we go back
to I'm just remind you comp late this morning Black
voters matters. Latasha Brown, will Joe Much. She's gonna explain
why we should be more selective in our purchases this
holiday season. And come up in the next few days,

(02:02:42):
you're going to hear from multi talented researcher brother katy Awadu,
also futuristic reacher brother Sidikia Bakari, and historian Michael Michael
Mtip all going to be here. So if you're in Baltimore,
keep you radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB
or if you're in the DMV around fourteen fifty WL.
So let's go back to to come home there in Ghana.
So my question before before left for the break, you're

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having a black liberation conference in Ghana. People were wondering, well,
I am the black. Aren't we free in Africa? What's
the need to have a black liberation conference in Ghana?
What say you?

Speaker 8 (02:03:15):
That's a great question as I so, I'm here at
the University of Media, Arts and Communication. We have an
MoU and they are the number one university in Ghana
for film and so forth to the last in relation
to the film festival we have coming up this weekend. Now.
On my way here, I passed by a billboard called
Mego White, and that was for skin bleaching. Right, so

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if you are really free, then you won't see As
matter of fact, as I passed by it, I said,
if I was president, and this is probably while not president,
I would ban every single aspect of the self hatred industry.
And that's from the skin bleaching to the perming, to
the whigs, to all of these nasty things that people
go to the ugly parlor for to try to look

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like these non black pigs and you know, dog like fur.
I would ban all of that, and I in addition
to that, I would probably cane the owners of those
companies publicly. You know, places like I think Philippines and
the Nis. They'll catch you for something, they'll cane you publicly.
I think everybody who's making money off of the self
hatred industry should be kane publicly. But that's my own

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personal opinion. This is not reflective views or opinion of
the host or the stations. But you know, when we
talk about black liberation, I think that sometimes you know,
it's it's people think about it like liberation and the
sense of hedonism H E, D O N I S M,
which is, you know, I do whatever I want to do,
whatever makes me feel good. I'm liberated. Oh let me

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go feel good and so forth. So you know, people
can get in the drugs and sec that's not what
liberation is. Liberation means that you're taking up more responsibility.
This means that instead of buying cars from our enemies,
that we manufacture our own cars. And I'm sitting in
a contong.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
Hopefully we haven't lost the doctor Cambone sounds like his
phone dropped there for a second, fifteen minutes away from
the top they are. So it happens on the international calls.
He's calling us from across Ghana and so hopefully he'll
call back. Sometimes figures while you're still talking, you figure
out that the line has dropped. You know that happens.
But anyway, he's having a conference on black liberation and

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Ghana coming up, as he'd mentioned, also having the film festival.
This is gonna be interesting because if I don't know,
if many of you have seen any African films, sure
to sell them. A lot is swap meets, especially Nigerian films.
It's a huge industry in Nigeria make these films. And
now I see online where somebody's come up with the
I T to make these short films. Yeah, and they're

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gonna be broadcast and you can broadcast them online. All right,
we have the doctor Cambone back from across so doctor,
come on, I'll let you finish your thought.

Speaker 8 (02:05:53):
Yeah, no problem. I didn't know if it was maybe
the CIA cutting my line because I don't like what
I'm saying. But I'm back all this saying. You know,
I got something to say, like Nana h Rap Brown
aka Bubba Jamil Men as well. So yeah, you know,
this is the thing, is that some people think about
liberation as doing whatever they want to do. And as
Nana m as Wilson said, how come every single time

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the black man quote unquote does whatever he wants to do,
it just so happens to enrich you know, these non
blacks here. And you know, this is what we're seeing
in Ghana. Like I'm saying, skin and bleaching cream, billboards,
perm billboards, you know, with billboards and all these types
of things. It's rare to be in Ghana and see
anyone wearing clothes made by black people. I can be

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on campus and out of every thousand students, you may
get one who's wearing anything made by black people. And
that may even be too high of a ratio. So
when we talk about liberation is it isn't just oh,
let me go and do whatever quote unquote white stuff
I want to do. It means that you've taken up
responsibility for manufacturing your own cars. Actually did a study

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a couple of years back, and I was looking at
the heads of state of you know, any country that's
actually free and the type of cars that they drive.
So the impest of Japan at that time was driving
a one off Toyota Century that was worth half a
million dollars. The head of China was driving a hong Key,
which is a you know brand I don't even know
up right. The head of Korea, head of State of

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Korea was driving a Hondai Equus. The head of State
of the US was driving a Cadillac. The head of
State of Germany had BMW Mercedes Benz. I can go
on down the line Bentley for UK, Lapsia, Thesis for Italy,
Poujo and Cicro and for France. But then when you
come to the continent, the head of state are driving
wet Toyota land Cruisers and so forth. Meanwhile you have

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a car company that's made here in Ghana. But you know, again,
this is the brain damage that many of us suffer
from that you know, if it's quote unquote white, then
it's all right. The white man's ice is colder. So
you know, these are reasons why we need a Black
Liberation Conference because you have too many people who are enslaved,

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not just mentally, but you know, in terms of their behavior.
And that's why our theme for this year is what
black power is demonstration over conversation, be about what you
say you're about. You can have every leader on the
continent that talk about, oh, this is what we need
to do as a people. Oh, we want quote unquote
Africa to be free and we want Africa and then
you go and say, okay, well what car do you

(02:08:22):
drop right now? Speaking to you on a phone that's
made in Burkina Fasso by Horizon Industries. The model I'm
using it is called Hope. Actually have two of those phones.
Why am I doing that? Because I'm actually serious about
what I say that I'm about. If I'm saying, oh,
what we all need to do, I need to be
the first one, you know, at the front of the

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line actually doing it. What's the point of me getting
up on your radio show and talking about, oh, all
black people need to support black businesses and then I'm
you know, using the iPhone or a Samsung when there
are black phone companies that are out here in the
world that I can support. Why would I be driving
around in any of those non black vehicles when I
know that not only does Ghana have a car company,

(02:09:04):
but bi Quina Fosso that I just came from, has
an electric vehicle company called Etahwa. I got a chance
to go to the showroom and to the factory that
they're building under construction right now. So you know, these
are the things that make it very practical. Right in
terms of the clothes that we wear. What's the point
of me coming out and giving a lecture and then
put it on a white website get a million views,

(02:09:26):
and you know, I'm talking about what all black people
need to do and I'm wearing a suit and tie
not you know, I don't want anybody feel personally like
I don't even know what anybody's wearing. This is radio,
So I don't want anybody to feel like I'm attacking
them personally. But I'm like, at a certain point in time,
the rubber has to hit the road and we actually
have to be about what we say that we're about,
not just in the areas that I'm talking about a

(02:09:47):
vehicle or a phone or clothes, but in every single area.
I've never spoken a word of English to my children.
I speak to them in Pi, the major language of Ghana.
I speak to them in Yoruba, I speak to them
in wellof I speak to them in Ki Swahili. I
speak to the Mi in Kikongo. And these are for
me again actually being about what I said that I'm about,

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and that's what these events are all about. When we
talk about the BB to me a Bbfajudia festival. People
will come here on lament.

Speaker 4 (02:10:14):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (02:10:15):
When I get into a taxi, I see an American
flag or an Israeli flag or a white Jesus. But
I'm like, well, what are you doing here? In order
to change the narrative, to shift people's focus away from
praying to imaginary white people to now actually understanding who
they are and what they need to do in terms
of black power and black liberation. You know, people can

(02:10:35):
come to Ghana and they're like, oh, in Ghana, you
know this is a problem or that's a problem. Well
what are you doing? What I always say is just
like people are, you know, on the East Coad somewhere
with binoculars and then they're looking at the continent and
they're like, oh, is it perfect yet? Is it perfect yet?

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (02:10:51):
No, Okay, Well call me back when it's perfect. No,
we're supposed to be here building the land of black people.
Just again my own opinion on this, because so many
of our answerts, but not just my opinion, because again,
so many of our grandcesters and elders have said that
until this land is a world power, no black person
will be respected anywhere on the planet Earth. Isn't that

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what we're seeing. Isn't that what we're seeing when a
mad Aubrey is going out the jog and he can
be shot down. Why because they know that there are
no rewards, you know, from black people, and then there
are also no publishments for black people for doing anything
other than whatever they want to do. How do they
know that you know they can do an Oscar Grant?
How do they know that they can do an Ayana Jones?
How do they know that they can do it to

(02:11:34):
mere rights? How do they know that they can do it?
I'm gonna do jallo? How do they know because they say, oh,
the place where these people come from is not a
world power. I guess what. They're not doing that to
the Chinese because they know the Chinese got news. They're
not doing that to the Indians. They're not doing that
to the Israelis. They're not doing that to anybody who's
coming from a place that can bring you know, substantive

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power to bear, and you know that's what's going on.
So for some of us, we want to be spending
our productive lives. I'm forty six years old and I've
been living in Ghana since i was twenty eight. This
is seventeen going on eighteen years now in Ghana. Why
because the things that I'm doing, I know that these
students who I'm teaching at the university are gonna be

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the future presidents. They're gonna be the future ministers, They're
gonna be the future decision makers. And it's gonna be
the first time in a long time that you're gonna
have decision makers who aren't spending all their time praying
to imagine their white people. It's gonna be the first
time in a long time that they're going to be like,
you know what, I'm not wearing white people clothes anymore,
or white people's draws. I'm gonna make my own draws.

(02:12:37):
I'm gonna have a seamstress come through. I'm gonna have
a tailor come through. I'm gonna make my own. And
these are the impacts. I have so many students who
went from calling themselves Noah and Eric and Roland and
all these white names to saying, you know what, I
don't want to use I'm not a white person. I
don't want to use a white name. These are people
I can name, people who I've impacted over the years,

(02:12:58):
who have changed their entire life jectory off of what
I've taught them. But again, you got to be in
it to winn and you can't come for a vacation
complain about what's going on in Ghana unless you want
to be a part of changing what's going on in
Ghana and Nigeria. And you know, I'm not into these
Berlin Conference borders, so you don't have to come to
this neo colonial fragment that they call Ghana anywhere on

(02:13:20):
the continent. We need to make Kimmit black again. Kimm
It means the land of black people, so we need
to stop calling it Africa and start calling the whole
continent Kimmit because as long as this is the land
of black people, it's our duty, it's our job, it's
our mission to make Kimmit black again. So that's what
I have to say. So check out I bib you
to me dot com, download the apps. Just download the apps.

(02:13:43):
You know you got people who say there you know
for black people, and they spend all the time on
white websites and white apps. Well, the first thing you
can do on demonstration over conversation is just clicking a
button downloading an app. And that shows me that you're
really about what you say about but not even me,
It shows your own own children. That shows you yourself
and your children that oh, when my father talks about

(02:14:04):
that black stuff, he's really doing it, and I'm seeing
him doing it in this area and that area. So
you know, that's what it's all about. And you know,
I'd like to invite everybody. All three of these events
have virtual components. So the Film Festival this Friday, Saturday
and Sunday has a virtual component. You can find that
on film festival dot org. The virtual conference is of

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course all virtual, and then of course we have coming
up the main hybrid conference, which is on the ground
here in Acreftim Mompo in the Eastern Region at a
BB to me headquarters. If you put B between me
on the map, then you'll see exactly where we're located.
You'll see the beautiful event, you know, facilities that we have.
Some people call it the most beautiful on the entire continent.

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So if you look up b between me, you can
see that we have architecture based on the worldview of
black people. Even the painting is coming from the upper
East of Ghana and Burkina Fasso. You know, the cars
we drive are contentas we're entirely running on our own
solar system. We have our own water catchment to some
why because this is demonstration over conversation. We can't say, oh,

(02:15:12):
black people should do for self and then we're dependent
on you know, the non black electricity company. We can't
say we should be self sufficient and independent. But guess
what if the quote unquote white man shuts off the water,
then what are we doing? And you know I got
that from my parents. They moved away from Brooklyn at
the height of you had all these things. You know,
you could go to the lecture series. Everybody's talking about

(02:15:33):
black liberation and let's get free and O who's outside
freedom now? But nobody in New York can do any
of those things because they know that they depend on
the subway, they depend on the you know, white company,
they depend on the water company. Every single person there
is one hundred percent dependent on their you know, health care.
I should call it the sick care that they do.

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So if you actually want to be about what you
say about, then you do what my parents did, which
is moved to the South. They built their own log
cabin in the woods, they dug their own well, they
grew their own food. And that's what I grew up with.
That's normal for me. So people look at me like, oh,
you know you're doing this.

Speaker 4 (02:16:10):
I'm like, no, I'm.

Speaker 8 (02:16:11):
Used to this. This is what black people are supposed
to do. I shouldn't get a standing ovation for driving
a car made by black people, or wearing clothes made
by black people, speaking languages.

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
And dout to came a hole that thought right there.
If you can stay with a few more minutes, stay
with us, take a short break so folks in the
stations can identify themselves down the line. Family. Just hearing
our guests right now. That's doctor Oberdelli and Cambon and
calling us from Ghana. He's having a black powered conference there,
a Black liberation conference and they also a movie conference
as well. What are your thoughts? You want? You want

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to join this conversation with him and speak to him
in Ghana and it's just outside of a crowd reach
out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy
eight seventy six Gon take your phone calls next and
Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with us on this
Tuesday morning with our guests. Come all the way from Ghana.
Doctor Obadelli Campon. He moved to Ghana. He speaks tweet.
He's a Ganaian citizen and one of the Oh. First

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of all, not to come on. They asking me if
you can mention the website and please repeat and do
it slowly. I've got a four or five requests for you. Well, yeah,
just do it slowly. If folks are driving, they want
to get a pen, so you go get your pen
and paper red or you get a copy of the podcast.
But yeah, first do that. Then I'll ask you the
question if you can repeat that?

Speaker 8 (02:17:27):
Absolutely. So the website, the main website is at bbtwo
me dot com and I'll spell that A B I
B I t U M I dot com at bbtwo
me dot com. And I'd encourage everybody who's listening right
now to purchase a ticket for the film festival, for
the virtual conference and for the main conference, because we

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are having an impact here on the continent. We are
what The work that we're doing is what's going to
ensure that when you come here, you're gonna see what
you want to see and set us you know, mega
white billboard about how to leash your skin. That again,
it has to start with those of us who have
since being here and teaching and educating and having an

(02:18:11):
impact apart from the mis education that's been going on.
You know, for those who benefit from that miseducation happening
in the first place, there's no surprise that those who
are enriched economically from skin bleaching are the ones who
are gonna, you know, sell those chemicals to you and
see that your own skin is bad. Like this isn't
rocket science. So again bbtwen me dot com. You can

(02:18:34):
go there a b I b I t u m
I and again I'll b betwo me translates to black
power and the tre language of Ghana. And then we
also have the film Festival. That one is coming up
first this weekend from the twenty eighth to the thirtieth,
and you can go to film Festival all written together,
all one where Film Festival dots I'd be befader and

(02:18:58):
I'll sell that out. Ab I b I f A
h O d I E again A b I b
I f A h O d I E dot org.
So Film Festival dot org. You can check that out.

(02:19:18):
And then also I mentioned that all of these events
are part of a larger initiative called a Decade of
Our Repatriations. So if you if you've heard of the
Year of Return, and some of your listeners may have
heard of that. It was an initiative launch out of
Ghana for a year. But basically people just took it
to be here's a year to come and party. Come,
I'll come for a week, I'll party. I'll come for

(02:19:41):
you know, dirty December and get dirty, and then I'll
go back, you know, to the US. So it's just
kind of like people saw it just like as a
tour thing, not a thing that is, Oh, you know what,
let me relocate, you know what, Let me get citizenships
and you know, let me move my family here and
let me get married here, let me have children here,
let me find a job or create a job here.

(02:20:02):
They just looked at it as you know, a gague
idea of oh, let me return. Okay, I'm done with
my return. Now I'm back, you know. In the United
States of a motor that this is now decade of
our repatriation, as I mentioned, has already been endorsed by
the Office of the President, the highest office of the
land through Dash for Affair shout out to Brother kod.

(02:20:23):
Has been endorsed by Ghana Tourism Development Company g T
d C. Shout out to A Benfo Kobe. Men's actually
the colleagues of NON there at the University of Ghana.
It has you know, been given a letter of support
from the Association of Black Psychologists which is based there
in the US. Because there's also a psychological healing component

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t repatriation. It's also we have a standing MoU with
the u NIA NON of Marcus Garvey's organization, so you
know that one is also there. And all of these
just go to show that as people come to understand
the magnitude that shear magnitude of what this decade means
is that as people are running away from Trump, they're

(02:21:06):
not just running from danger, they're running too safety. You
understand that there's a major difference. So you can picture
an active shooter who's out there and you just run
out into an open field with what did you really do? Yeah,
you were running from major, but you certainly weren't running
to safety. So what you can do is now understand
that through services like what I survived through repatriate Theighana

(02:21:27):
dot com. The short URL is the letter are the
number two and then GHR twogh dot com, or you
can get to it the same way by spelling it
all out repatriate too Ghana dot com. That you know,
this is a service where we've actually and i'd encourage
everybody on the line now to go and check out

(02:21:48):
the testimonial. These are real life people who we helped
get their citizenship, help them to purchase vehicles, help them
to purchase land, help them to buy houses, help them
to do all of these things in Ghana. And you know,
this is going back to the citizenship initiative that actually
started out of my office at the Institute of African

(02:22:08):
Studies back in twenty sixteen. We happened to have the
Executive Secretary to the President who was President Mohammad right
at that time, Honorable Inequacy Qussi, who came to the
meetings that we hosted at African Studies, and from that meeting,
we said, you know what, as diasporus, we contribute a
lot to Ghana, but we don't have much to show
for it what we wanted citizenship. So he went back

(02:22:31):
to President Mohamma another sister who's passed away since Macy
Howell also wrote a letter and from those major things
that happened. That's when President Mohammad when he was voted
out of office on December seventh of twenty sixteen. By
the twenty eighth they had organized a ceremony for us
to get our citizenship by presidential mandate through naturalization. Now

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before that you would have you know, one one, you know,
this person he gets to hear or that celebrity gets
it there. But it wasn't what you saw in terms
of a presidential mandate for naturalization for a huge group
like that. From there, Ghana again in twenty nineteen, again
in the year of Return, again in twenty twenty two,
again in twenty twenty four. You know, that was five

(02:23:16):
hundred and twenty four who got it. You know then
many of them were repatriot the Ghana class. Matter of fact,
the oldest person to get citizenship and the youngest person
to get citizenship were part of my you know, repatriots
at Ghana Cohort so these are the things that we're doing.
And again just the contrast, you know, uh Non of
Jamil Alamein, he decided to you know, build community there

(02:23:39):
in the West End and Atlanta. I was actually there
in Atlanta at Moor House at the time that he
was there, and you know, we were I think I'd
actually come for a study abroad in Ghana when you know,
all the things went down for his wrongful arrest and
so forth. But you know, he was there in their
jurisdiction where they can say, you know what, we're gonna

(02:23:59):
send some depth to your house and you know what,
if things don't go right, we're gonna shoot you. We're
gonna wound you, we're gonna arrescue, we're gonna trump up
some charges on you. That those type of things. Those
aren't regular occurrences here Ghana. You don't get, you know,
so called white deputies come into your house, it's gonna
serve you with a warrant. You don't get you know,
them saying oh, because you said this against us in
the sixties and seventies, now we're gonna come and you know,

(02:24:22):
come after you. That's not a regular occurse. And Ghana,
I'm sure, they would love for it to be, but
they just don't have the power for that to be
the case. You know, hearing Ghana on a regular basis,
like I'm saying, you know, they could do stopping frisk
of thousands of people in New York in any given year,
but guess what, they don't have enough so called white
police officers to do that here in Ghana. Whacku. Ghana

(02:24:42):
is a black nation, even though some of the inhabitants
aren't aware of it, as they try to, you know,
put on perms and wigs and whatever, and we're closed
by you know, dead white people. Well, guess what, there
are some of us who are actually making in roads,
for making waves and are making changes, and we can
see the tangible results. The citizenship program that you see

(02:25:03):
in Ghana is a result directly of me being a
professor at the Institute of African Studies. If not for
having that space and having the Executive secretary come to
that space, you wouldn't see citizenship in twenty sixteen, or
in twenty nineteen, or in twenty twenty two, or in
twenty twenty four or anything else that's happening. And then
you wouldn't see the other states around, like Sierra Leone

(02:25:25):
and Benin and Guinea Bisal, they wouldn't be doing it either.
But again they saw, oh, you know what, looks like
Ghana was successful with that. Let's try to do something similar.
So again, by us being here on the ground, by
us repatriating, we can actually create situations where somebody who
is like amount of Jamil Alamin doesn't have to languish

(02:25:45):
in prison. In his last days. You know, he ended
up suffering from maalumma, a very aggressive form of cancer.
And you know this, this is horrible, you understand, and
that need not be the case. But again, through the
pathways that we open, you know, some people aren't aware
that they can live in other places. Some people haven't
experienced anything other than living in the United next of

(02:26:06):
a murderer. They think it's normal for their heart to
jump when a police car goes behind them. They think
it's normal to go around in a store and look
over their shoulder to see if somebody is following behind them. No,
those things are not normal. Those are the most abnormal
things that you can imagine. You're just used to her.
So guess what, because we are carving out those pathways that,

(02:26:27):
you know, the next generations and even this generation can
come here and have a different light. You can come here.

Speaker 1 (02:26:33):
Let me tell me for a second, doctor Campbell, let
me jump me here for a second. And ten to
our family just joining us. That's that doctor, doctor Olberdally
and Camba and he's calling us from Ghana. They're having
a Black Black Liberation conference coming up later. Also, they're
having a movie screening, a filmingro fessional. If you will,
let me get that's straight. But I gotta ask you
this question, dont comba. What is the nature mistake you

(02:26:56):
think that the Americans may make when they move to Ghana?
What are some of the footsteps? So what are some
of the things they should not do?

Speaker 8 (02:27:05):
Yeah, the biggest mistake that they make, and I'll say
I'm reservedly without question, is trying to do it without
repatriot to Ghana. Like I've been here for seventeen years.
I'm probably one of the most successful repatriots that you
can imagine in terms of you know, being a professor
at the university, of being in school as a traditional
rule and so forth. You know, you've got people who

(02:27:25):
are like, you know what, let me just figure it out.
And the analogy I give is, let's picture somebody from
backwaters Mississippi somewhere it's like the Mississippi. But let's say
he goes up to the big city, you know, New York,
wearing his suspenders and overalls and you know, with a
straw hat. Somebody's gonna be like, hey, this guy looks
like a mark to me. But you know, people come

(02:27:45):
to Ghana and they don't know the language, they don't
know the culture, they don't know directions that they don't
know anything about it, and they're like, you know what,
let me figure this out. Or they'll be like, Hey,
this guy who's driving uber, I'm gonna make him be
my lawyer, my accounted, he's gonna be my best friend,
he's gonna be my hook up for a wife. And
it's like, you know what, this guy has no idea

(02:28:06):
what he's doing, but he's just gonna, you know, see
what he can get and then you know, turn around
and you know, move in another direction. So again, the
biggest mistake that people make is like, look at this,
We've been endorsed by the Office of the President, Like
how much more legitimacy can you get? And you know,
I see other people like we started this back in
twenty sixteen, and I see people in the last year

(02:28:29):
or two. They get online, they start a YouTube channel
and say, hey, I'm helping with repatriation. I'll tell you
anybody who tells you that, ask them when did you
yourself repatriot? If they tell you I've been here for
a year, we'll keep keep it moving, right. If they
tell you I've been here for two years, three years, Hey, man,
keep it moving. You got people who you know, they
themselves don't have any firm you know, footing and Ghana,

(02:28:53):
and they themselves don't have any kind of success. So
you know, there's a proverb in p and that says
open my on to my and it translates to if
naked man said that he's going to give you a claw,
listen to his name. That means that this person themselves
are not successful. They're not going to help you be successful.
So you know, again, I'm doing pretty well for myself

(02:29:14):
here in Ghana.

Speaker 11 (02:29:15):
And yeah, let.

Speaker 8 (02:29:16):
Me another question too, well in Ghana.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
Yeah, let me jump me again here, doc, how long
did it take you to assimilate when you moved to Ghana.
How long did it take for you to like, this
is it. This is where I'm going to stay, this
plant my flags, to raise my family, and I'm moving
coming back to the States. How long did you when
did you come to that realization once you moved to.

Speaker 8 (02:29:37):
Ghan That came to that realization before I moved to Kinda.
So you know, my mother brought me on the Sankofi journey.
I meted that earlier in nineteen ninety eight, and I
stayed for two weeks. She brought me again in nineteen
ninety nine. By that time, I was her code, you know, God,
and I was teaching she and so forth, and again
I stayed for two weeks. Then I did a year

(02:29:59):
study of broad at the University of Ghana, and that
was something that actually charted a course for me that
I would come back to because I decided to do
my PhD in linguistics on the basis of having you know,
done study abroad, been part of the linguistics department, you know,
taking class with native speakers, going into poetry and the

(02:30:19):
Acan language, pros in the Acan language novel, you know,
writing essays, all these types of things. So you know,
that was two thousand. I was here for an entire
academic year, and in that year, my mother was a
president of the Association of Black Psychologists and she brought
over five hundred psychologists when they went back. I stayed
for that academic year when I was on a full

(02:30:40):
scholarship at Morehouse right, that was my junior year. From there,
when I went back for a senior year, I was
still doing my meda Neta and my medio metural teacher
Professor Mario Batti, the head of AZKAC, the Association for
the Study of Classical accent Civilizations. She saw all these
connections I was making between Meta Netcha and accoonty and said, no, what,
you got to go to grad school for this. So

(02:31:01):
I went on to get two master's degrees, one in linguistics,
one in African Languages in literature, and then I came
to the University of Ghana to do my PhD. When
I completed, I won the Vice Chancellors Award for the
Best PhD Thesis in the Humanities for my research on
the Acon language, three major dialects of the Acon language.
Since then, I've won two out of the three Provost

(02:31:23):
Publications Award for the Best Publication in the Humanities. The
pan African Leadership Award through Polly. That's the Non Equiment
Trouma Pan African Leadership Award that was presented actually by
Sambia and Kruma his daughter in the Marcus mozaah Garviy
Foundation Award. So again, if somebody says, oh, I'm going
to help you repatriate, you need to see how successful

(02:31:46):
that person is in their own repatriation before you take
it up, because again, you know, the proof is in
the pudding. Right, I'm here, you know, I have my houses,
fourteen bedrooms. My entire family is here. My mother is here,
my father repatriot before he transitioned. My wife is here.
You know, I have five children. And we use it

(02:32:07):
not just as a personal home but as a conference
facility and festival grounds every year. And this is our
third year from the f BB to Me Conference and
the FBB Fier Festival. So that's for black power, for
Black liberation. Our theme is what black power is, demonstration
over conversation, be about what you say that you're about,

(02:32:29):
and that's what we need. More like, this is a
it's a change, it's a it's a ship. It's a
change in errors from oh let me go out and
give a lecture about what everybody else needs to be
doing to know. No, no, let me not even give
a lection. Let me just do it. Right after I
do it and I have proof of concept, I may
tell you about it, but you know the only person
who needs to be speaking is the one who has

(02:32:51):
actually done it, who is actually living it. And we
have to get away from what my father would call
contrary diiction. In call a contradiction contrary addiction, your ad diction,
what you say runs contrary to your behavior, and there's
enough of that. We're not moving anywhere with that. The
only way we're going to get liberated, and as my
father's non a come out combound would say, is on

(02:33:13):
our own terms. And terms is a acronym for time, energy, resources, money, slash, materials,
and spirit. So if we want black liberation, which is
more responsibility, it's not just go out and do whatever
I want. It means more responsibility. If we actually want
bier black liberation, we're only going to get it on

(02:33:34):
our own terms, and that means more of our time
is going towards black liberation than our time is going
to working a nine to five job. That means more
of our energy is going towards black liberation than it
is going for working for whatever cracker on Wall Street.
That means more of our resources, more of our money,
and more of our spirit is going to build the
land of black people rather than right.

Speaker 1 (02:33:58):
Then, we're got to take another short break here, I
let you finish up and when we get back seventeen
minutes af the top of our family. Just checking in
with us. Doctor OBERDEALI Comebone is joining us from a Crow,
Ghana this morning giving us an update on his Black
Bahoa Conference. Black Liberation Conference is taking place next month
in Ghana. What are your thoughts? You can join us
at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight

(02:34:18):
seventy six and we'll take your calls next and Grant
Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday,
money of our guest all the way from Acrow, Ghana.
Speaking with doctor Obadelli Cambon. You've heard his sister in
the TAKEI when she was in the States a few
a few, I guess a few months now and she
stopped by it before she went back to Ghana. His
ain't Ghana. He teaches the Ghanaians their language fast. The

(02:34:39):
question that's fascinating to me. You're teaching you as an
American teaching the Ghanaians had their language. How did that
go over? Do they know but you're so you so
you know Ghanaian yourself. Do they know that you're you're
you're an American or I can say you're an Americans,
you're a Ghanaian, But do they know the American roots?
And when you teaching them their language? How does that go? Uh?

Speaker 13 (02:35:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:35:02):
So definitely not an American an anti American ever since birth,
Like I've never stood up for a pledge of allegiance
or saying the national anthem. That was long before Colin Kipernick.
That was in elementary school. But yeah, so you know,
sometimes they'll ask me, you know, whether I you know,
whether I'm born in Ghana or you know, so forth,
and you know, it's kind of a trip because you know,

(02:35:24):
here in Ghana there's an English department at the University
of Ghana. You have Ghanan's for teaching English, and you
know it quit that you know, if Ghanams can teach English,
definitely somebody born in the United States or a murder
can teach t especially you know when I've learned it
up to the point where I am like, this is
a good what twenty seven years in countings that I've

(02:35:46):
been immersed in the language, and you know, if there
are a lot of things that the average Ghanan doesn't know.
And I just had a conversation. We had International Mother
Tongue Day, not this past not just Monday, but the
Monday before, and I was asked to speak on a panel.
And I'll say, you know, for me, when I started

(02:36:07):
learning the language, I was like, you know, any child
should learn some you know, certain things like shapes, like numbers,
like colors and so forth, because most people just get it,
you know, by you know, being out in society and
so forth. You have native speakers of you know, the
languages who don't even know how to count to ten
in their own language. And now they could do other things,

(02:36:29):
but because they're so used to switching to English when
they're doing their monetary transactions and when they're doing their calculations,
that when you get past five, people start struggling, right,
you know, in terms of colors. I remember I was
in a room for it was actually at a conference
School of languages conference, and I was in a room
with no less than like a good four hundred people,

(02:36:50):
most of them were language professors, wizards, profectors, and they asked,
you know, how many of you even know the word
for brown? And I was the only one who raised
my hand, like everybody in the auditor miss brown, but
they didn't know the word for brown. So like I
was learning it comprehensively in terms of I need to
know every single thing. And one thing that helped is
my PhD supervisor asked me to read the entire dictionary

(02:37:14):
from cover to cover, page for page, and actually took
up that challenge. So there, you know, terms like matter
of fact. About a week ago, I was in the
office of a CEO of one of the major radio
and television firms here in Ghana and he asked, you know,
what's the word for cell phone? A mobile phonephone? And

(02:37:34):
he was just dumb struck, like and I'm like, you know,
this is easy, especially if you come to archaic terms,
the technical terms, the scientific terms, because I hate the
English language, those are the main things that I will
come across and I'll be like, I don't want to
say this, So that means I'm, you know, going directly
for the words that exist in our own languages. So

(02:37:55):
that's across p your I.

Speaker 1 (02:38:00):
Just got a tweetter wanted to know that there's a
rumors making the rounds that Ghana is leaving echo Osh
and joining up with the Bikino Folesi and the rest
of the Sahale nations. He says, that's on the internet.
Is there any truth to that?

Speaker 8 (02:38:14):
So I haven't gotten any official notice. So there are
a lot of urban legends in Ghana. Me as a professor,
I can't just go and start saying stuff on the
airways that may just be a rumor. So if, if,
and when the government makes any type of official announcement,
it will be known. You know, we get direct announcements
from gasper affairs officers, the president and some of the

(02:38:36):
other agencies. So I haven't seen anything official on that.
Until the government issue is just such a directive, I
would treat any and all, you know, rumors like that
as just that, nothing but rumors.

Speaker 1 (02:38:50):
All right, thank you for clearing that up for us.
But but yeah, we've got about a couple of minutes more.
But you went to Bikino Fossil, What was that? Like?

Speaker 8 (02:38:58):
I did, So my first time going to Burkina Faso
was twenty five years ago, I wanted to go to
meet the Dogun people in Mali, so we went to
you know Waka Do Google but Jlaso Bamfara. But more
recently so that was under blaze of power, so as
in the year two thousand, going to two thousand and one.

(02:39:18):
More recently, I got a chance to you know, be
part of a speech that was given by President Ibrahim Chare.
I got a chance to, like I said, get a
actually two phones that are made in Burkina Faso. I
got a chance to go to the Etahwa Electric Vehicle factory.
There's also etah Wah that does solar panels and solar

(02:39:40):
lights that are street lights. So you know, I got
a chance to do that. And then there's also an
organization there called two Hours for Us two Hours for Kimmt,
and you know, they're educating people about classical Kimmicks. You'll
find that a lot of the Francophone countries, because of
the works of the joke, they are light years ahead

(02:40:01):
of some of the so called Anglophone countries in terms
of knowing about you know, classical Awe story, in terms
of you know, these types of things. So it was
really nice to get a chance to interact with the
people who have you know, social organizations or sister of
mine who is actually from the Congo, she was able
to link up with a dou Lah organization, midwiffery organization

(02:40:25):
and actually deliver babies while she was there. She said
they had delivered so many babies for night that she
was just all strong, how prolific the people of Burkina are.
And I was like, there we go where some of
these you know, non black countries have declining birth rate.
Burkina Fasso does not have that problem. There's a boom
in babies. It was something like, you know, sixteen babies

(02:40:47):
came through within thirty minutes. It was just like amazing.
So you know, when I'm in Burkina Faso. Another thing
that President Trowi said in his speech is that Burkina
Fosso is under construction. Now I want everyone to do
a search for Ibrahim Trarey Mural m u r Al.
This is a piece of artwork in so far, you know,

(02:41:08):
Decade of our Repatriation has a utet centel and it's
put out a couple of videos. One has something around
eighty thousand views. Another one is around I think sixty
thousand views the short version and the long version respectively.
But what we're doing is that we are presenting a
huge mural fifteen feet by eight feet to President Ibrahim

(02:41:29):
Trarey as part of our delegation that's going to be
going from December fifteenth of the eighteenth and that's again
part of the Sanko far journey going between Ghana and
Burkina Faso this year. Most years we do Ghana, Togo
and Benin this year we're doing Ghana and Burkina Faso.
And you know, we're actually in conversation with the Ministry

(02:41:50):
of Foreign Affairs there with the Special advasa on that
for a mobilization there. In order to make that happen.
We're presenting him with an award dfbbtween the conference and Ghana,
and then we're transporting this huge mural and you can
actually see not just the mock up that we did
of it, so you can actually see the work that's

(02:42:11):
already commenced on the mural. And again this is life size,
you know, fifteen feet wide, about eight feet tall, so
it shows President Ibrahim Tarre at about six feet or so,
and then it shows all of the grand sisters who
are armed. Who happens back. So if you get a
chance to see that animation, it was done. The mock
up was done with Ai and it shows you know,

(02:42:33):
Nana Harriet Tubman who's armed and has President Ibrahim tari
Is back. It shows Nana Queen and Zinga, Nna Jean
Jacques Dessaline, It shows Nona Marcus Garvey. It shows not
a Di don Key Mati, it shows not a milk
Awker brawl. It shows Baba Omal Malcolm X. It shows
you know, all of these grand ssters who are all

(02:42:54):
armed and who have President Abraham tari Is back. So
this is a bbtween me initiative that we're doing, and
really it's gonna be I've never heard of anybody doing
anything like this for any sitting president you know, of
a black Land or anywhere else. But we were inspired
by our own Grandcester to do something like this. And

(02:43:14):
what we're doing is anybody who makes our contribution to
the Mural Project will use that to cover We'll cause
the Muro project and the transport, but anything that goes
beyond that. What we're gonna do is we're gonna contribute
that we're gonna donate that directly into the Patriotic Fund
of Working off oself. This is what they're using to
build the sidewalk. This is what they're doing for the roads.

(02:43:35):
This is what they're putting together for all of these
public work that you see twenty four seven. If you're walking,
you'll see people who are putting down blocks for the sidewalks, right,
You'll see people who are just doing all types of
you know, tree planting initiatives and all of that is
coming from the Patriotic Fund. And then also they have
an initiative they are called spossor Mabu, which is you know,

(02:43:58):
to construct the build the homeland. So you know, these
are the things that we're doing. It's not enough for
us to you know, class and say, oh we love
President Ibrahim Tarre. Oh let me go look at it
another YouTube video. Hey, if you're about it, be about it.
You know, put your money where your mouth is. Support
the MUA project, support for Keina Fassul, to the Patriotic Fund.

(02:44:19):
We got you know the details for that fund when
we were there. Another brother when I was there in August, uh,
you know, facilitated some of the meetings. That's our African
dashtball one twenty six plus. Brother y'all facilitated the meetings
with the Special Advisor to the President, with the Minister
of Foreign Affairs, and just more recently being there and

(02:44:41):
getting a chance to actually be in the audience with
President Ibrahim Tahre himself, to hear him speak, to be
there with my mother, to be there with my wife
and friends of the family. My oldest daughter said, you know,
it's very profound because you'll be put into the mind
of what it meant, what it may have been like.
You see President Thomas van Kara, right, Imagine being there

(02:45:04):
and some people don't have to imagine because he came
to Harlem. Some people were there, you know, in person.
But imagine being part of the revolution. Imagine being there
and you're buying whatever it is, mango slices or you're
buying a phone or whatever you're doing that you're actually
supporting this revolution or putting your money where your mouth
is and what I say, put your money where your

(02:45:24):
liberation is right, and that's what it's all about. So
I've dropped quite a lot on you. You have the
a B B two ME conference coming up at bbtwo
ME dot com. You can download the apps for that.
Do a search for a bb to me A b
I b I t u m I in the app
store and the place store. We also have a messenger
app available for Android, I call a b being crap

(02:45:46):
A b I b I n k r A. That
one is available. We got the film festival and that
one is coming up this weekend, the twenty eighth of
the thirtieth Film Festival dot Bbfadya dot org at bbfadi
as A b I b I f A h O
d i e dot org. We have the son Journey

(02:46:07):
that's gonna go. It's gonna include the conference that I
already mentioned at no additional costs, but it also includes
going to President Ibrahim Trara to make the presentation of
the award and of the mural that's happening SANCOPHI journey
dot com s A n k O f A j
O U r n e y dot com. We have

(02:46:28):
again the main conference. You can get that on a
bbt me dot com and then again for those who
want to just go direct to support the mural, go
to the same site of bbt me dot com slash
trray Erry easy A b I b I t U
m I dot com slash Trray. When you see the video,
you will be blown away by this demonstration of the

(02:46:52):
ancestors who are protecting and guiding President Ibrahim Tray and
all the black, deficent, black plastic, black, horrific, inspect blackular
work that he's doing there in Brookina Faso on behalf
of the black race. And once again, our work, our mission,
our vision is to make Kimmitt black again. Not Kimmitt

(02:47:12):
in the sense of when people think about ancient Egypt,
but every because Kimmet means the land of black people.
Wherever you see black people have Kimmitt and it's on
all of us to make Kimmitt black again. The Lebanese
are here, the Chinese are here, everybody's here except for
the Pan africanis So we're changing all of that to
the film festival, to the virtual conference, to the in

(02:47:33):
person conference, to the Sunkophar journey where some of the
hardest working Black people on the continent. But I can
say that without a doubt. So this is the work
that needs to be done. This is the work that
is being done, and again you can be part of
it by putting your money where your liberation is. But
you can sider on the sidelines and then one day
you'll be in your rock and chair and your grandchild
ask you, what were you doing when President Ibernian Fire's

(02:47:56):
mural was delivered. You're gonna say I was buying you know,
I don't even know with big back and some pride. No, Grandpa, No,
you was a sellout man. You were you were square.
You went off my grandfather. You don't want to be
on the wrong side of history. You want to be
on the right side of history. And we're giving you
the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (02:48:14):
And we thank you doctor Cumbum for join us from
a crow this morning. And you laid a lot on them. Folks.
People are asking me about Duddy December and all that
kind of stuff we just found right out of time,
but but real quickly because that person want to know
if if because they're going to Ghana and I want
to know for Duddy December is it going to conflict

(02:48:35):
with with your conference?

Speaker 8 (02:48:38):
So Duddy December is something where people come, they party,
they get raunchy, and they drink and smoke and do
whatever they want to do. The Minister of Foreign Affairs
after dash for a summit and that's one of the
major things was also happening. And I actually had input
the president's speech that he's going to give where he's
going to announce the decade of our repatriation. I got
that verification by the head of daspar Fast Now. He

(02:49:00):
said that the President tends to go off scrip, but
he has the speech in front of him that has
all the information about decade of our repatriation and we're
waiting for that. So Dirty December. If people want to come,
they want to get raunchy, they want to get crusty,
they want to get dirty and you know, dusty, and
however they want to do, they can do that. But
these are the serious programs that once you get done,

(02:49:23):
once you get over your hangover, well guess what, there's
some serious programs that are happening. And the programs are
gonna be fun as well. We're gonna have you know,
the festival. There's gonna be music. Everything is gonna be
on the theme of what black power is, demonstration over conversation,
but we're gonna have some fun as well, and we
want people to be part of the film festival. You're
gonna have fun at the film Festival. But guess what

(02:49:45):
you're gonna be supporting black power and black liberation while
you're having fun. You're gonna have fun. At the virtual conference.
Last year we had Baba Anthony Browner. The last time
I was on, he was speaking. I think it was
either right before me or after me.

Speaker 4 (02:49:56):
We had him.

Speaker 8 (02:49:56):
Last year, we had Mama Biden, a bellow who was
on last year. So many luminaries, and then this year
we have doctor kemm At Shockley who is an educator
also a filmmaker as well. We have just so many
who are going to be a part of this decade
of our repatriation. And one of the things I'm most
excited about is the University of Ghana has come on board.

(02:50:17):
College of Humanities is on board for a series of
dialogues between those on the continent, those of the diaspora
who repatriate, so those who are here can see why
we're repatriating and those who are repatrioting and see why
Some of these people some of it, especially the students,
are like, hey, get me out of here, put me
on the first thing smoking and how we can actually dot.

Speaker 1 (02:50:38):
To come on. We got to cut it again because
we cut up on the break but I want to
thank you for sharing all that information, especially the last
moment with us this morning. But thank you again. And
we're running late. It's twenty three minutes away from the
top of our family. Come back with well the co
founder of Black Voters Matter, Latasha Brown, she's going to
join us. You can speak to her an eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

(02:50:59):
well take your phone call next and Grand Rising family,
thanks for just rolling with us on this Tuesday morning.
Interesting morning as usual here eighteen minutes away from the
top there. Before we go to our next guest, let
me just remind you. Coming up later this week, you're
going to hear from the multitalented researcher brother Katy Owadu,
futuristic researcher brother Sideka Kari, and also a historian Michael

(02:51:19):
Motep will be here. So if you are in Baltimore,
keep your radio locked in Tight on ten ten WLB,
the DMV on fourteen fifteen WL. Natasha Brown has joined us.
This is one of the co founders of Black Voters Matter,
Grand Rising. Latasha, welcome to the program.

Speaker 11 (02:51:34):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 10 (02:51:35):
I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:51:37):
Yeah, tell us. Now, you guys are saying that we
should be more selective this holiday season.

Speaker 10 (02:51:42):
Why and how that's right? We're saying, we've launched a
campaign saying we ain't buying it. That part of what
we want, particularly black consumers to understand and recognize is
how much power we have that black people in this country.
We have all one point seven trillion dollars in consumer
spending resources, and so we have to be more country

(02:52:04):
incious of how we use our resources. And in a
moment that we're seeing the rollback of rights, we're seeing
an act on our voting rights, We're seeing cuts them
social safety programs. We're seeing women being pushed out of
the job market. Almost eight hundred thousand Black women have

(02:52:24):
been pushed out of the job market, and our undeplayed
employment rate is essentially double what the national rate is.
We're actually seeing black businesses that have been doing federal business,
that have federal contracts that many of those contracts have
been counseled or their certifications of which they've actually done
the work to get these certifications. Now they've become null
and void, and the federal government is telling them, oh,

(02:52:46):
you got to go through a whole nother process and
create hurdles. The bottom line is, I think that we
know as a community that there is seriously something going
on in this country that is impacting us. That we
are seeing an administration that has has weaponized race and racism.
We're seeing administration that has cut us, trying to roll
back all of the all of the advances that we've

(02:53:07):
made in terms of policy, and to actually render our
communities economically unstable. And so as a result, what we're
seeing is we are doing three things with this campaign. One,
we're reclaiming our power. We're acknowledging that we have complete
choice on how we spend our money. The second thing
is we're going to redirect our resources that in this moment,

(02:53:30):
because of some of the economic instability and some of
fallout even from the tariff, that many of our small
businesses and local businesses have been struggling. So we think
that this is a moment in this season of which
we shop for us to redirect our resources and to
buy some local community black owned businesses. And the third
thing is we've got to resist. We have to spend

(02:53:52):
a message loud and clear that we will not connect,
we will not spend our money on our own oppression.
We will not spend our money in investing coi that
are literally standing with an administration that has hurtful and
harmful policies for our community.

Speaker 1 (02:54:06):
All right, and fifteen away from the top, let's tell
you so how do we get this information?

Speaker 6 (02:54:09):
Though?

Speaker 1 (02:54:09):
How do we know what companies to spend our money
with and who not to spend our money with?

Speaker 10 (02:54:15):
So yeah, I think part of this we are focusing
in highlighting three companies in particular, but that's not all
the bad players. I think we have to be a
little more conscientious around our consumer choices. And I think
we have to do some research now that the three
companies that we're highlighting, our home Depot part of home
Depot has been giving information the ice. They've been letting

(02:54:35):
ice the same people who actually helped build their business.
You know, what we're seeing is they're allowed and capitulating
with US administration. And also we said Home Depot, Amazon
and Target. Many may know that there has been a
Target fad that has turned into a Target boydcot that's
been going on since January, currently being led by doctor

(02:54:56):
Jamal Bryant, Nina Turner and to Mika Mallory and so
at the end of the day, part of what we're
saying is those businesses in particular over this weekend, and
we ain't buying it. But we also want people to
even go deeper than that to make choices. Find out
what companies are actually not supporting the policies that you believe,
and find out what companies that really have capitulated to

(02:55:19):
this administration and been doing hr find harmful things. And
if you don't have time to do that, particularly in
this space, what we're saying in general that we've got
to build a muscle that we are redirecting our dollars
of regardless that we've got to redirect our dollars to
support black institutions, black businesses, and black effort. So this
is a moment for us to do a hard reset

(02:55:41):
to say we ain't buying it as an opportunity for
us to really think about how do we invest in
our community and build out the ecosystem and support where
our people are safe, where our people are building wealth,
where our people are doing work. To put food on
the tape.

Speaker 1 (02:56:00):
Hundred and four five zero seventy eight seven speak sixth
to speak to Latasha Brown, money Mice calling in from Baltimore.
Has a question for you, Latasha grand Rise and Mike.
You'allna Latasha Brown.

Speaker 15 (02:56:11):
More than miss Brown. How a y'all doing this morning?

Speaker 8 (02:56:14):
We are wonderful brother, great to hear from here, ma'am.

Speaker 15 (02:56:19):
I want you to tell me and tell us listening audience,
how you plan to communicate and get this out. I
understand that we in the Washington, DC metro we have
w AL and w LB, but our communication network has
been broken. We've lost Ebony Jet essence, We've lost our

(02:56:40):
local our newspapers.

Speaker 8 (02:56:43):
How are you gonna get this out to the masses? Man?

Speaker 10 (02:56:47):
Wonderful question, Thank you for asking me this. I am
a long term organizer, so I understand exactly what you're saying.
But one of the things that we've been doing for
the last two weeks that as an organization, part of
the way that you helped get information out is you
go to credible sources and credible institutions. And so now
we have one hundred and eighty national organizations that are

(02:57:09):
signed on to this campaign that actually helping lead There
are millions of people who have been informed through these
One of our partners is SCIU, which is a Labor
Union that has over two millions. We have the No
Kings Alliance which have made up They were able to
mobilize the seven million people that came out in terms
of doing the protests. We're really grateful and honored that

(02:57:32):
NAACP has just joined as part of this effort. So
we have one hundred and eighty one hundred and eighty
plus national organizations that we're reaching out to our network
and we're doing basic grass food organizing. If you go
on social media, a lot of people know about it.
We need more people to know about it, but a

(02:57:53):
lot of people know about it because we didn't just
depend on, to your point, traditional media, because sometimes what
we're seeing is that they capitulated. But what we have
been doing is getting this information out to black media.
That's why it's so important that you all support programs
like this and stations that we can get the information
directly to our people. We have been doing a radio,
We've done so much media, particularly we started with black media.

(02:58:16):
We've done a lot of work with black media with
print media. We've done announced it from CNN and from
the traditional but we then lead it on that what
we're doing is basic grassroots organizing where we are absolutely
happenent networks of millions of people who are already members
of labor unions, of social justice organizations and using our

(02:58:38):
networks and our skills as organizers to get the word out.
But we certainly need more information that's out there. We've
been using social media, we have content creators. You know,
there's some really cool things that are happening that people
doing actions that have already been doing the work that
are signed on. So that's the way that we've been
approaching to help get the information out. But we will

(02:58:58):
certainly need you all telp as you all are listened.
If you haven't heard about it, please tell a friend,
Tell ten folks that you know about this efter that
is happening, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:59:08):
Ten away from the top of that was that Tasha
Brown with Black Voters Matter. And if we say we
should be selective in our purchases of this holiday season,
letts what if some people say that the boycotts and
that's what they are just going straight up to the boycotts.
What are the people who work for these companies, the
black people who work for these companies. Aren't they going
to be impacted? I don't thinking we're the ones, the
first ones to lose their jobs.

Speaker 10 (02:59:30):
Well, we're saying this that they're being impacted just overall
that part of what we're seeing is that we're seeing
the erosion and the abandonment of DEI policies, the very
pathways that open up the space for many of our
people to actually get jobs for many of our people,
and not just on the princes. They're not just HOLIDAYI.

(02:59:52):
You got to show up and have the same kind
of credentials and oftentimes even more so than your white
counter parts. But oftentimes there was and a policy in
place to make sure that we at least had a
fair hand. And so many of these companies are rolling back,
and what we're seeing, they're rolling back these policies that
have been a pathway to helping our people at least

(03:00:14):
get a fair shot. So what we're saying is this
is about the collective. Yet this is about how do
we use our power in such a way that we
push back and say that we're not going to use
our intellectual capacity, we're not going to use our resources,
we're not going to use our dollars to continue to
support companies that don't stand with us. So I think

(03:00:35):
that there's a greater lesson in this is around how
do we secure an economy, how do we secure ourselves
in a way that we're very conscious around the policies
that are hurting and harming us what we want. It
is unacceptable for us to see black women have a
higher unemployment rate that's almost double the national rate. That

(03:00:57):
something has to be said and something has.

Speaker 8 (03:00:59):
To be done.

Speaker 10 (03:01:00):
We have power, not just political power, but we have
economic power. So this is about something greater and longer
that ultimately we all see the trends, we all see
what is happening in this country. We all see what
communities are under tacked. So this is one way for
us to actually create a response of how do we
use our power in such a way that we ain't

(03:01:20):
buying it, that we are not going to participate in
systems that constantly hurt and harm us. And in fact,
not only were we claiming our power, but we're redirecting
our dollars and we're resistant.

Speaker 1 (03:01:33):
Ate away from the Tampa Alatasha Brown with Black Voters
Matter Family, another question for you. You talked about Target,
and Target obviously has impacted Target. They've had to lay
off a lot of people at some of the top staffers,
and they themselves admitted that it has been impactful. But
that's started, as you mentioned in January, are you are
you prepared to continue a similar timeline with these stores

(03:01:58):
that you mentioned.

Speaker 10 (03:02:00):
So let me say this because I want people to understand,
you know, Target, we ate buying it is.

Speaker 11 (03:02:06):
Not a boycott.

Speaker 10 (03:02:07):
So I want people to hear me loud and clear,
we eate buying it dot com. We're not a boycott.
What we are we ate buying it is an economic action.
And within the economic actions, there are people that have
a spectrum of actions that they're doing. There are some
that are leading boycott, there are some that are actually
leading protests at stores. There are some that are just
refusing to spend their money. There are some that are

(03:02:30):
canceling their canceling their memberships. This campaign in particular was
designed for us to actually to increase our consumer consciousness.
That is important for us to really recognize that over
the years that we have gotten so caught up into
this commercialism and this consumerism all of us. I'm myself

(03:02:51):
will admit that I've gotten caught up protecting during the holidays.
I remember at one point in Thanksgiving that you couldn't
find a store open. And I talked about this often
that if you want you forgot the crabberry sauce, you
had to go down the street and get the can
that might have been sitting there for about six months.
That was about eight dollars for you to get because
you couldn't find anything open. Over the years, we're slowly
see how they've crept up this black and moved Black

(03:03:13):
Friday up so now that before people get finished at
fool Good, they're ready to run out the door and
go find some seale, some Thanksgiving sales, which actually has
taken us away from our families, which has made us
chasty sales at the expense of really not spending time
with our families. And so the way that we've approached
it is that this is not just about the companies.

(03:03:35):
This is a reset, a hard reset for us to
actually really think about rooted is how much community and
family matters. How do we really think more consciously about
our spending choices, how do we redirect our dollars to
black institutions and black businesses, and how in fact are
we in tune with all of the politics that are

(03:03:56):
going around that are impacting us.

Speaker 4 (03:03:58):
And so on Thursday, we're.

Speaker 10 (03:03:59):
Saying, don't spend a dime, spend time, take that time,
don't chase a sale, take that time to spend with
your family and your friends and your loved ones, and
talk about we actually need our safety, that we need
our communities to be together. On Friday, which is normally
Black Friday, it's called Black Friday because it is actually
the day that most of the businesses that have been
in the red all year that they get into black

(03:04:21):
that year. And what we're saying is, let's take black
businesses in the black this year, like, let's use that
as a blackout Friday, that if we are spending, we
are spending with black women and local community owned businesses.

Speaker 11 (03:04:34):
The same with Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 10 (03:04:35):
That is small business Saturday and small Business Sunday. That
we will take the three days and discipline ourselves to
seek out black businesses that are doing work and provide
services and products in our communities. And on Monday, which
is Cyber Monday, we're calling this cyber shutdown that we're
not going to get caught up and this kind of
this consumerism that we're just going to spend money with
companies with no conscious with no sense of consciousness or

(03:04:58):
even any them take in any corporate responsibility that their
bottom line and their profits are driven by their consumers.
And if that is the case, then you've got to
create policies to make sure that your consumers are not
hurt and harmed just because you want a tax break
from this administration. So that's how we approach it. This
campaign has more to do with us and our behavior,

(03:05:19):
our consciousness, and our collective of our collective responsibility to
one another and for the keeper, making sure that we're
keeping full of our tables and making sure that we're
using our resources in a responsible way to not support
companies that hurt and harm us or support policies that
hurt and harm us.

Speaker 1 (03:05:38):
All right, Feman, that's Atasha Brown from Black Voters Matter.
Before we let you go. How can folks get more information?
And also is there a list of since we're supporting
a black business is or a list on the website
as well where we can go for alternative shopping.

Speaker 10 (03:05:53):
Yes, yes, so you can check our website out Black
votersmatterfund dot org. We have a page, there's some links
to black businesses the US Black Chamber of Commerce has
an amazing list that when people want to access to
an exhausted list, the US Chamber of Commerce has a
major list. There's also an app called black v lapp,

(03:06:15):
and in that app you can actually it has geo
tracking where you can go in an area and if
there are black local businesses around, it will actually pin
them for you where you can see where some local
businesses are. There are also other resources that you get
to if you come to our website, but you can
sign it for the campaign at we Ain't Buying It
dot com. We ain't buying it dot com. There's some

(03:06:35):
stops that have got a boutique that y'all know. She
got some cute stuff. There's some brother out there that's
been offering products and oil and other products and tech
tech gifts. This is a moment for us to really
show some economic discipline. This is a moment we're asking
people for five days to lean into an effort that

(03:06:56):
millions of people across this country have leaned into. That
we are ultimately saying we ain't behind it, all right,
and we.

Speaker 1 (03:07:04):
Got cut it there. Latasha, thank you, thank you for
sharing that information with us. All right, family, thank you
class is dismissed. Done for the day. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB. I'm also
in the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL

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