Manu Ampim on Egyptian Museum Fraud, Kwanzaa's Roots & Leslie Vass on Justice

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your day
with us again. Later, one of our top scholars, Professor
Menu and Penn from Contra Costa College in Northern California,
will take over our classroom.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Professor m.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Pim will discuss the grand Egyptian museums and the modern fraud.
But before we hear from Professor m. Pim, La based
Kwanza researcher, brother Akille will make the con ties to
ancient Egypt and momentarily leslie Vance will update us on
his fight to your race, but he terms a decade

(00:31):
all wrongful conviction. But first let's get Vin opened the
classroom doors this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin heel Man, twenty
five degrees.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Outside Girl on the ninth of December.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Of course it is December, what do you expect?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
And so I'm going to bring this opening of the
Girl Nelson Show University. And it's being brought to you
by those little hand warmer packets that you can get.
I have some of those. Some guy was giving them
out on the bus and I today is the first
time I used it right. And I got on the
bus and said, well let me see about these things.
You shake it up, put it in your hands and

(01:12):
it slowly warms up. And then I put put it
in my coat pocket because you know, I'm now on
the bus getting a little warmer.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
And then when I reached in the coat pocket, it
was like a furnace in my coat pocket. Man, I'm telling.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
You, it's like a comfort, the strangest places that you
can get comfort.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
And meanwhile, how you feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Carl, I'm still learning. I just learned something because you know,
when you were describing that, I was thinking about the opposite.
You know, the cold precious that they have miss package
and you got to shake them up and then put
them on and then the cold comes, you know, comes
onto your skin wherever you put it on. So and
that's the reverse to me. So somebody did something good.

(01:55):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, you know there's an African proverb that says one
who bathes willingly with cold water doesn't feel the cold.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
So the meaning of that is.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
When you accept the situation for the way it is,
it's easier to bear. So those those little packets made
it easier to bear the cold.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
See what I did.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, that's great, man, because it's gone. It's gonna be cold,
by the way, it's gonna be colder for a while.
The first day of winter is not until a couple
of weeks from now, right, Yeah, it's gonna be cold
for a while after that. Again, you got to go
through January February, so that's good. Yeah, yeah, just stock
up on those, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Okay, you're full of good news.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well those were free, the ones I have now, But yeah,
I might have to go and pick some up, because
every time I looked at them in this door, I
was like, really, a little package that's gonna warm your hands.
I thought you put them in your gloves. But no, man,
your cold pocket. I'm telling you. Hey, but look, starting
things off, the see police chief is saying, take this

(03:02):
job and Watchington, DC police chief resigns after less than
two years. Pamela Smith, the first black woman to lead
the department. The MPD, quits amid a battle with the
President Donald Trump over control of the police.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Can you believe that?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, so something else was at foot there too, Kevin,
because the police union were going after allegations that she
manipulated the crime stats and also she mismanaged the department,
So she was under attack from the police union as well.
So maybe she just yeah, so maybe she just I
don't I don't want this fight anymore, you know, let
me go home, and you know, you guys can have this.

(03:42):
Probably more than that than you know, because people can
see that she has no control over what the federal
government does as far as Trump does another and she
reports to the mayor who hired her, but with the
police union and the people who represents her going after
that's that's another thing.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Mayor Muriel Bowser announced her departure yesterday, praising her leadership
during a period of significant urgency for the nation's capital.
Mayor Bowser said, Chief Smith got all of this done
while navigating unprecedented challenges and attacks on our city's autonomy.

(04:17):
And the Chief Smith dramatically drove down violent crime, drove
down the homicide rate to its lowest levels in eight years,
and helped us restore a sense of safety and accountability
in our neighborhoods. And this article in The Guardian hasn't
gone any deeper yet, but it marks the second major
leadership change in Washington in weeks, as the city grapples

(04:41):
with Trump's aggressive assertions of federal authority over local governance.
And Bowser announced late November that she would not seek
re election in twenty twenty six, a decision that came
out the months of dealing with the Trump administration over
control of the city's police force and immigration and force.
Smith so, is this a toxic leadership? And you know,

(05:05):
is that a good phrase for this?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I think she's see the writing on the wall. It's
gonna be a lot of changing, a lot of new
faces at city Hall in Washington, DC next year. She's
just making an early exit. You know, let me kill
before they cut me, because obviously she made her what
she's in the crime is probably going to be a
part of the campaign rhetoric for the people racing to
replace Muriel Boosa. So she just said, let me bow it.

(05:29):
You know, I thought the captain goes down with the
ship man. Nobody's the captain here.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Now it's like, right, yeah, we've got this rogue captain.
They made a movie about that with the Humphy Boka. Anyway,
ABC News says the Powerball Brian, So, just a nine
hundred and thirty million dollars after no jackpot winner declared
in the latest drawing. That's almost a billion dollars, Carl.

(06:00):
Doesn't that make you want to just take two dollars
and go and say okay, well questions, what would you do?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
What would you do? Would you take it alum summer?
Would you take any payments?

Speaker 5 (06:08):
So?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
How would you handle that? Have you ever thought about that?

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I've always thought about that. The answer to do you
want your money now or later? For me is always now,
because I.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Don't know you quit your job?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Would would you? Would you disappear?

Speaker 6 (06:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I love this job, Carlos. I know people are like,
what you would do that?

Speaker 7 (06:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (06:29):
Man?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Because I would still need a low profile. So I
think we discussed it once before. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
upgrade my image too quickly, you see.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
I mean I might have some property and belieze or something,
or you know, have a nice house in a great
car out west somewhere.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
But meanwhile, I'd be here for a while, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Eventually, you know, before they they say, keV, we don't
need you anymore.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
And it would you say that?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, Kevin, because yesterday we talked to Ricky Ross
and he was he was making in millions during the
crack epidemic from selling crack across the country. But he
always showed me he never had a new car. He
was very low profile. He had to beat up an
old rag that he drove around with. Nobody know that
he was a drug. He never had the flancy coals
or the big houses. He never had none of that.

(07:22):
He kept a very very low profile.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I guess there's a right way to do wrong. Is
that what you say?

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm just saying that, you know, he he knew he
would draw attention, just like you're saying if you win
the lotto, that the obviously that's gonna draw attention. You
gonna find relatives that you didn't know where you're relatives
with sob stories and you know, but you said you
keep your job so they'd be able to find you anyway. Oh,
Kevin won all that money, Why is he still working?
And why is he You know somebody could have that job.

(07:50):
Who needs a job. He don't need that job. Oh man,
you know he'd be crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
See, ladies and gentlemen, we already know who would tell
See you would tell on me, wouldn't your cow?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
He told me, Kenny, we got we got some We
got some ladies in Baltimore, older ladies sleeping on this.
You know you're talking about how cold it is let's
go up there and buy a house and put them
in there and pay for the house and pay for
the utilities.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Old on, no question, I would be charitable now, I
have no doubt about that. I just believe that it's
more blessed to give, So yeah, I would definitely give.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
It would be anonymously, though. Look, the Associated Press says
says the judge.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Wants a whistleblower to testify in contempt probe of Trump
official over the planes to El Salvador.

Speaker 9 (08:38):
UH.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
A federal judge investigating whether Homeland Security Secretary Kristen Nome
should face a contempt charge over flights carrying migrants to
El Salvador yesterday, and he wants to hear from a
whistleblower and top Justice Department official. This district judge, named
James Bowseburg in Washington ordered the government to make Deputy

(08:59):
Assistant in turn General Drew Ensign available for testimony on
December sixteenth. Boseburg wants to hear a day earlier from
fire Justice Department attorney Herz Ruvennie In the order for
testimony ratches up the extraordinary clash between the judicial and
executive branches.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
What do you say about that.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I just had a feeling a lot of these
things aren't gonna go anywhere. It's just all theater, you know,
because the end of the day. Yeah, at the end
of the day, Kevin, nothing has changed. You know, They've
had the hearings and the debates, but it's still the
end of the day, nothing has changed. You're still the
same everything, you know. You know, Yeah, that's what he wants.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
One of the Justice Department officials named Ruvennie, suggested that
the Trump administration might have to ignore court orders as
it's prepared to deport venezuel and migrants and it's accused
of who they accused of being gang members, and the
administration has said the allegations are untrue. So man, one

(10:03):
last thing, there's the looking back at the Montgomery Boycott.
This is kind of you know, historic about that today
marks well not today, but it was December first, right,
the seventhith anniversary of the Montgomery was bus boycott. And
just to make that long story short, ROSA Parks wasn't

(10:24):
the start of it. They're saying that the rise of
the Montgomery Improvement Association. We know Rosa Parks, but we
didn't know that black women were at the forefront of
the movement long before that day. And so I don't
know if you how deep you want to go into that,
but we're just coming.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Out too deep because you know, people, most of the
folks who follow our history know that Rosa Parks were
selected because of how she looked. She was non threatening.
There was another sister who actually and just before that,
resisted giving up their seats to white people on the bus.
But they never got the note arriety because they you know,
and people get into a realty because of the house. You know,

(11:05):
we've still got this colorism in our community. And that's
one of the reasons why. Yeah, it's one of the
reasons she was secretary there. So they she she's easy
on the eyes, as you know, as a young woman
than some of the other sisters that resisted, so that
that's partly because the other sisters were resisted too, but
nothing happened, so they they this was sort of a setup,

(11:26):
you know, rose in there and become the face. But
I don't want to go too deep into and she.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Makes it well, it goes down in history as a
powerful demonstration of how collective action, primarily driven and organized
by black women, could dismantle entrenched systems of injustice and
propel the civil rights movement into a new era of
national change. We did it before, why can't we do
it again? And that's the way it is. Cold on

(11:51):
the ninth of December. Thanks for your time. We've got
your guests standing.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
By all right, twelveth of Tave. Our family is springing
Leslie for Leslie grand Rising. Welcome back to the program.

Speaker 10 (12:02):
Grant ris until your car fact much more allowed me
to tell my story.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I want you to start the story because well,
you know, because you've been on here before, you've told
a story before. I'm want sure if folks remember, you know,
many of us have short memories, So just you know,
roll back the years and tell us what happened.

Speaker 10 (12:20):
Oh my gonness, Grace is called. In nineteen seventy five,
I was seventeen years old, living in Baltimore, Maryland and
the Westport Our housing projects in inner City. I was
a high school basketball player at Southern High School. There.
I went to the Westport Pharmacy, which was a neighborhood

(12:44):
store that I had patroned us for like over ten
years with my mom and made a purchase for her
and was leaving the store when I was approached by
a Barnman City police office who told me to get
up against the wall and put my face against the wall.
And I was being arrested, and I'm trying to explain

(13:06):
to him that I had just came out the store
making a purchase, and he said that he was accused
me of ribbing the store at that time. And I'm like,
as a kid, man, I got the mentality of a child.
My mom's was very concise about respecting your authorities and

(13:29):
respecting your elders and so forth. And you know, it
was nothing that I could stay to this man to
make him take me back into the store so the
doc and the people that worked there could verify that
I was not a person who committed this crime. So
fast forward. But I was arrested and charged with arm

(13:51):
robbery of the drug store at that time. That was
February fifteenth, nineteen seventy five. I was released into the
custody of my mother because I was a juvenile with
no problem with history, and she retained the services of
an attorney named Robert Comrade. This attorney I met with

(14:19):
two times before I actually went to trial on July second,
nineteen seventy five before a judge named James Parratt and
the then Supreme Bench foot Baltimore City. I was found
guilty based on the testimony of a part time delivery

(14:41):
driver of the Westport Pharmacy. And it was at that
time that I learned that derived we actually happened November second,
nineteen seventy four, and I was arrested February fifteenth, nineteen
seventy five. I had no understanding of what had transpired

(15:03):
at the trial or anything. I know is that this
man claimed that three people assaulting him and ribbed him
for one hundred and twenty dollars when he was making
a delivery, trying to make a delivery. And another part
of the city in the Cherry Hill community, which is

(15:24):
another housing the community that was a lower waves away
from where I actually lived at car You know, I
was initially classified in the massive security Maryland State ten

(15:45):
of country at the age of seventeen. I'm not sure
if you're familiar you remember what the Maryland State penituntry
was like or any reports of what that institution was back.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, hold that thought right there before you go into that.
Let's let's backtrack a little bit. Was there a robbery
at the store so they could could they have been
confusing with somebody else or you know.

Speaker 10 (16:12):
Yeah, but you know, you gotta remember at that particular
point in time, during that era, a lot of juveniles
were being arrested and charged with different types of crimes
and felonies. In the city of Baltimore, inno centy youth
were being arrested at a high rate at that particular

(16:35):
point in time. The state Attorney was a fellow by
the name of William Bill Switscher, and mister Swisher and
former Mayor William Donald Shaker were known for their tactics,

(16:56):
as we call it now, against in a city youths.
You know, just part time delivery job. I only worked
on one day on the weekend, so I never saw
this man on the week and I usually stayed at
my glass bothers. I was in the South Bottom, which

(17:17):
is closer to my school.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Right well, Lessie hold, I thought, right there, we got
to step aside for a few moments. I'll need you
to pick up the story when we get back. Family,
you want to join this conversation, I guess Leslie Voles
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five zero,
seventy eight, seventy six, and we'll take all your phone
calls next and Grand Rising family thanks us waking up
with us on this Tuesday morning. I guess it's Leslie
Vouss from Baltimore and he's attempting. It's been attempting to

(17:39):
Claire's name for decades old crime he says he didn't commit.
They claimed he did it when he was he was
a teenager. So let's see my question. Hopefully I clarify
the question because she said they accused you of robbing
a store, and my question was was the store or
close door rob at the same vicinity, not years before,
years after, but around the same time.

Speaker 10 (18:02):
No, No, I went into the store February fifteenth to
make a purchase. The I was charged. What happened was
the victim was supposed he had staw me and notified
the officer inside the store that he thought that I
was the person who robbed him three months prior to that,

(18:25):
saying that I looked like one of the men that
was with these other two men that committed this robbery
in another area when he was making a delivery.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, let me ask another question. Leslie you were seventeen
years old. Were you were a big brother or you
were a slight builder, you know four.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
I was six'. FOUR i played basketball For Southern High.
SCHOOL i was real. SPLENDOR i did not. WELL i
didn't look like no older. INDIVIDUAL i was a young.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Kid you.

Speaker 10 (18:58):
Know My my original photograph that they took of me
has been flashed on the news and all. That it
shows that if you look at the, picture it shows
THAT i look like a.

Speaker 11 (19:13):
Kid you.

Speaker 10 (19:14):
Know this person who actually misidentified me then, admitted AFTER
i had been confirmed for over nine, years that he
had made a. MISTAKE i learned the name of the
person THAT i had been mistaken for WHILE i was
in prison serving the twenty years sentence THAT i have

(19:36):
been sentenced. To, OKAY i provided a photograph WHEN i
learned of the person's name to The Public defender's. Office,
initially there was a new States attorney who had been
elected during the time THAT i was confined in The
Maryle house correstions by the name Of Kurt, smokes AND

(20:00):
i contacted him to advise, him acting him for help
with the. Situation because of him being newly Elected State's
attorney In. MARYLAND i felt that he would be more
receptive to what actually happened because this was a practice
That maryland had been doing over the period of time

(20:24):
in that. Era, OKAY i was listened to you when
you speaking about civil. Rights and my argument from then
until now is That i've been actually granted a full
out conditional pardon from the governor Of maryland in nineteen
eighty eighty. SIX i became the first example to reapproved

(20:48):
that they had been wrongfully convicted here in the state Of.
Maryland and Still i've been labeled with the criminal conviction
that has never been exposed or, destroyed like the court
orders were issued to the state to. DO i have

(21:08):
went to. Administrations WHEN i say, Administration i'm talking About, Shapers,
O'Malley's Glenn, dinnon's every administration from nineteen eighty six Until
president trying to get this matter. RESOLVED i have worked

(21:30):
with the numerous state agencies and. Employment but Still i'm
labeled with this wrongful conviction case that the state has never.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Expanded what does it take to expund?

Speaker 12 (21:49):
You what is?

Speaker 10 (21:49):
NEEDED i don't know what ELSE i could. Do i've
gotten court, Orders i've GOTTEN i foul, claims foul, complaint
and everything That i've, Done i've always been told that
the expungements have been. Done but yet instead each TIME

(22:12):
i applied for different, positions positions of trust to move,
Forward i've Left maryland and went all the way To
option Now, california WHERE i got employed as a as
a case manager for a re entry program out In.
CALIFORNIA i was working for the organization and they requested

(22:34):
it for me to do what they consider a live,
scan which is the equivalent to a background check here
In maryland in twenty, twenty, Right i'm thinking THAT i
can move forth with my life after being impacted by
such a horrenderous situation that took from me time THAT
i could never get. Back, uh the opportunities THAT i

(22:58):
was that was taken from me as a youth until my.
Adulthood you, know for the ten years THAT i actually
was confined up under that wrong for conviction, case and
still this criminal conviction continued to come. Up it came
up when they did the background check from Out. CALIFORNIA

(23:19):
i contacted the state governor and the treasure the controller
and all those THAT i supposed to, notify and still
the case was. Ignored then when what is his? Name
hogan left. Office When Governor hogan left office without resolving my,

(23:41):
matter it passed on to Now Governor Wes. MOORE i
have actually went To annapolis attempted to present my case to,
them Because i've been my own. ADVOCATE i have not
had the opportunity or the support of other organizations because

(24:03):
WHEN i came, home there were no organizations in existence back.
Then so my situation is totally different from others who
have been represented by the innocent. Organizations NOW i have
nothing but the most respect for those organizations because their

(24:24):
inception has allowed others such as myself to be fully.
Exonerated but my situation is one THAT i wish no
one would ever have to be impacted for because this
has went on from age of. Seventeen i'm sixty eight
years old right.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Now.

Speaker 10 (24:44):
OKAY i actually was hired By Catholic charities as the
director of The Safe streets program In baltimore and Depend north,
area the same area where The Freddie gray up rised
And transpard where they're have and on the controversy and
all that. ABOUT i retired from that, position but BEFORE

(25:09):
i did, that they did a background check for me
to be hired for that, position and the same conviction
That i've been arguing about was brought up was actually
on my background. CHECK i attempted to adjust the issue

(25:29):
Because Wes moore has been advocating and stating that he
wants to changed the narrative from what it used to
be to what it should. Be but how can you
do that when you have not corrected something that has
impacted someone that's the citizen Of maryland that was, innocent

(25:52):
that had nothing to do with the, crime factually been
proved and innocent through the state. Agencies but yet instead
the same state agencies are used in our history that
should have been, expensed destroyed and removed from the record
over fifty years ago to still impact. Me how is

(26:17):
that considered not civil rights? Vowaries all?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Right, hold that's all right.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Now thirty minutes after To Leslie mark In baltimore has
a question for each online to Grant Rising market on
With Leslie.

Speaker 11 (26:29):
Bass, yes that good, Morning JENNERAL i did want to to.
Beforehand Jewish holiday Of, Ponica the eight Day jewish festival
starts this Coming sunday night with the first light at
Sunset december to, fourteen goes Through monday during the, Day
december twenty, second this.

Speaker 10 (26:44):
Year good.

Speaker 11 (26:45):
Morning my question is is there's some sort of all
this exponement requests and all they've been talking about takes,
money and have you finished have you established a one
that we could contribute, to BECAUSE i know it gets
more expensive court, course attorney filing fees and the like

(27:08):
and of all these efforts to public officials and all.
That so is there a pestific could send the donations
to anything like? That or what have you done? Financially
it's for financial? Help thank?

Speaker 10 (27:20):
You on my on my, website on my Website leslie
das vas dot. Com, uh there is a it's a
my cash app Information AND i haven't put up venmo,

(27:42):
yet But i've Done i've been doing all this by,
myself SO i have, to you, know navigate this to
set up the donation. PART i haven't even did that
Because i've been so focused on jobs to adjustice With
governor West more or none That i've. Been that's Where i've.
Been i've been constantly working towards. That BUT i will

(28:06):
THANK i really appreciate you bringing that up because someone
told ME i need to push something like that, up
AND i will do that definitely this, week.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
All, right and thank you for sharing, that and thank
you for your. Call mark the question of tweeted just
twisting this and twenty eight minutes away from the time tweeted,
said how many more black people do you think are
affected by this?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Negligence how?

Speaker 10 (28:35):
Many it's really how CAN i put? IT i don't
believe that we can act and go back in and
resolved just with just. Words many people do not know
how to adjust this issue of when they have.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
INFORMATION i, thought, right, then, listen let me let me
put the tweeters up request in a different. Way have
you heard from any person who or persons who had
suffered the same situation have been the same situation that
you have been.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
In.

Speaker 10 (29:15):
No And i've met worked With xanderies In New, Orleans, California,
atlanta you, know you Know, maryland All. Xanderies. Nobody i've
never heard any other exenrey who's ever went through this
situation That i've went. Through after being it, HONORATED i

(29:38):
have a full unconditional pardon from the governor in eight
and eighty. SIX i have four separate expungement orders over
the years from nineteen eighty six all the way up
to nineteen ninety, eight and every one of them claimed
that they had expunged these, records and still public states

(29:59):
being corrected serves the same agency that the state was
ordered to remove the records has not done. It and
then WHEN i proved that they that they did not do,
this are they ignored because it's only me that's making
these Complaints when it's just one, person you, know and

(30:23):
it's affecting others that are not complaining about it or addressing.
It THEN i FOUND i sound like the lone wolf.
Crime but all my documentation and paperwork shows that this
hasn't been hasn't been. Done the part that bothers me

(30:45):
is that this impact not just, myself but it also
impacted my, family my. CHILDREN i WAS custolei you parents
to four small. Children in the year of four WHEN
i was hues for being involved in a. STABBING i
was working for The state Of maryland as an EMPLOYMENTS

(31:06):
fuss for The department Of, Labor life Of. REGULATIONS i
was out in the community winning awards and accommodations for other,
agencies helping people get. Employed and here it is when
they brought this took me about, IT i voluntarily surrendered
myself to have the matter, resolved and then the come

(31:29):
the records came up and they held me a year without.
Bail and it's when they did that my, children my
four minor children ages, four, seven, twelve and thirteen were
placed in state foster. Care never been away from me,
before never had had to be impacted by. This that's

(31:50):
something THAT i better burn, behind because my kids were
placed in foster care in the state Of, maryland then
refused AFTER i was Sent i'm not guilty of the.
CHARGERS a year, LATER i petitioned the court to get
my children back and they claimed THAT i was an
habitual criminal and you use the same wrongful conviction records

(32:13):
that The states said that they expanded to use to
further impact me and my. Children it took me four
years after being found not guilty to get my children
back out of the. SYSTEM i couldn't understand. THAT i
went to two different agencies In maryland legal. AID i

(32:36):
went to THE aclu and other organizations that was involved
in civil, rights and everyone telling, me y ask mis,
advisor is really horrendous that they did, this that they
keep doing, this they haven't done their and so. Forth
but none of them assisted, me, understand and none of
them have assisted. Me now, Presently i'm working with The

(33:01):
Kay Gibson Law school At baltimore and they are looking
at the situation and they're saying that maybe they can't
believe that the state actually you have did something such as,
this and everybody's talking about now you need to file
stimle law sooner and all, that but it doesn't change

(33:21):
the fact of this something that has impacted myself and
my children for.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
That, Well, leslie WHAT i thought right, There we gotta
check the, news, weather in sports in our different cities
and we come back and let you finish your thought
On thomas In. Baltimore want you to speak with The israel.
Family YouTube can join our conversation In leslie vas you
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Ground rising family. Here thanks for waking up with us

(33:48):
on This tuesday. MORNING i guess It's Leslie. Vos you've
heard his. STORY i hope you've heard his story. Before
he told us that he's been convicted or wrong for
conviction when he's a teenager In baltimore accused of robbing
a drug.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Store so what are your?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Thoughts and he's been trying to, fighting fighting to get
a pardon ever. Since before we go back to let
me remind. You coming up later this, morning we're gonna
hear from one of our top, Scholars Professor Main who
And pim those of you who still believe in The
Willy lynch. Story he was the one who decoded The
Williy lynch was a. Fraud but that's not what he's
going to talk about this. Morning, also before we get with,
him we're going to speak With we're gonna speak With

(34:23):
la Based kwanza researcher that would be Brother akil that's
going to link At quanta to Ancient. Egypt late this,
week you get here from civil rights Activists Willie. Rix
Willie Rix march with Doctor king And John Lewis uh
he was part Of snake with with who else was?
There A Kwame terray Also uh mayor of D C Marion.
Barry and also here From Sister Pam. Africa she's going

(34:45):
to report on Recent march For Abu jamal also realistic
doctor and medical. Doctor she's both doctor a is going
to be with, us and one Of malcolm's, daughters his third,
daughter Doctor Yasha, shabbas.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Will be with us as.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Well if you are In, baltimore make sure you keep
your radio lountin tight on ten TEN wlb or if
you're in THE dmv around fourteen fifteen w ol So.
Lessen i'm gonna let you finish your. Story then we
got some folks who want to speak with.

Speaker 12 (35:10):
You, yes.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
So let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
This have you had anyone to champion in like like your,
representatives whether it be state city, representators say, hey you
know what they. Do usually they assigned someone in their
office to these particular, cases are your congress, person and
they run with, it they take it all the.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Way have you reached out on the political level like that, Yet.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
YES i. HAVE i had a real strong advocate club
me Named Jill carter who picked my cars up in
twenty twenty WHEN i came From california back here To,
baltimore and she was involved in it and had a,

(35:56):
meeting a zoom meeting with all with the executive state,
government The governor's, office The treasurer's, office The controller's, office
The General council for The state Of, maryland The board
Of Public books representative and all all of us were
on a zoom meeting and it was determined then that

(36:20):
The Attorney, general who Represent Public safety And Correctional, services
somehow illegally had gotten a expungement done in ninety. Eight
but we found out that the exponement really had not been.
Done and once that, happened when we was on the zoom,

(36:42):
meeting everybody start turning off cameras and. Stuff you. Know
when the last TIME i spoke With Jill, CARTER i
was At Union Baptist church for an event for The
Associated Black Charities, Association and WHEN i talked with, her

(37:05):
she explained to me that she was going forward with
my case and. Everything and then the next WEEK i
heard that she asked me was retiring from The senator
and becoming a member Of westmore's. Administration so that put

(37:25):
me in. Limbo, now SO i have no, representative, right you,
KNOW i was REALLY i was really traumatized by that
BECAUSE i had a lot of respect and trust And
jills and she knew from all the all the paperwork
and everything THAT i had given to, her and we

(37:46):
had discussed what was going on with my, case you,
know and it, really it really was a setback for
me when THE uh stepped away AND wuk With westmore's.
Administration But i'm thinking that because of this being an

(38:09):
incident of a civil rights violence and to this, degree
that that would be something That Wes moore would automatically
want to resolve and look at so that no other
person would have to be subjected to this type of
treatment once it's been proven someone has been factually.

Speaker 11 (38:29):
INNOCENT i cannot let me.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Jump in here for a, second, though because we've got
some folks who want to talk to, You, leslie and
they can help you better than we can right right.
Now but if you just, quickly have you even thought
about calling people Like Ben crumpet to get involved in,
this because you know what we're talking about now and
they figured out there you a.

Speaker 10 (38:47):
Lot of month looking WHEN i was In, Tampa, florida
so uh, Huh. CARL i met mister cut WHEN i
was In, Tampa. Florida. Uh he said my case was
too old at the. TIME i believe in All enstreet
that it was a conflict because of my problem THAT
i had with a well known attorney Name William murphy

(39:10):
here In, baltimore who held my case for two and
a half years and never did anything with, it and
then sent me a letter saying that he didn't accept
cases like. This but for two and a half, YEARS
i have emails and conversations and videos and all this

(39:31):
stuff between him AND i about my, case and then
suddenly he decided that he didn't handle cases such as.
That so you gotta look at the dynamics of my.
CASE i have a lot of individuals who have strong
associations here In, baltimore but their history is not what

(39:53):
it was what people think it, is you, know and
those very same individuals that say they represent us as
people they selected when they do. That SO i, mean
AND i don't, mean And i'm not angry or anything about,
it BECAUSE i learned that's how it. Is i've been
involved with this thing from the age of seventeen to sixty.

(40:16):
Eight i've met a lot of individuals over the. Years
i've left, here went To, Tampa, florida WHERE i stayed
there at a program called The Sunny. CENTER i went To.
GALWAY i was scheduled to go To Galway island with
the people who actually started the, program and Then Tampa

(40:37):
florida day was supposed to help. Me everybody talk about
what they're going to, do but nobody does what they
say they're going to. Do they used the case as
a means to move, forward but in their political, careers
And i'll be stuck dealing with the circumstances of this
case right whole.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Though right there that, mekesure we got some folks want
to talk to. You it's standing to erase the clock
here nine away from The thomas has been waiting is online.
Two he's In. Baltimore, thomas you're on With Lezi. Vos
your question or your comment for?

Speaker 13 (41:06):
Him, Yes grandmarzes to my dear brother's. House everybody this,
morning BLUs. Listen let me say this, man you have
you of all, people you say you're not, angry But
i'm angry for, you, brother because these all these people
that you, called you said that that was supposed to
been reaching out to help. You that's what they've been

(41:27):
doing to the city Of baltimore and people In baltimore
this whole. Time they start a project with us and
then they. Disappear some of them get in political offices
and they have never finished a term in any political.
Office that they have ever gotten, into and that's Including
Jill carter. Guys but, man let me say this to, You,
okay in order for you to get some more traction

(41:49):
on your, Case i'm just going to give you this,
suggestion because they worked for several people THAT i. Know
file a lean against their. Bonds. Okay the safe attorney
is bonded and. Licensed these people did you, wrong, Man
you filed a lean against their, bond AND i guarantee
you the insurance company is going to want this.

Speaker 10 (42:11):
Solve, okay all, right have.

Speaker 13 (42:15):
Anybody have anybody ever suggested that to you before against people's.

Speaker 10 (42:19):
Bond nobody's ever suggested that to.

Speaker 13 (42:22):
Me to try? It get talk to. You there's a
law firm that you're working.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
With.

Speaker 13 (42:28):
Now lawyers don't like seeing. LAWYERS i understand, That so
you may have to go an unconventional route with. This
but if you follow lean against their, Bonds i'll guarantee
you somebody's gonna give you some. Response and if The
state Of maryland is responsible for doing you, wrong follow
a lean against The state Of maryland's. Bonds The state

(42:49):
Of maryland does have a.

Speaker 10 (42:50):
Bond you. KNOW i tried to do that once. Before
when when When shafer was in, office then they see
the state guaranteed me certain things up under my compensation
statue statues and that they never provided me with back
then in nineteen eighty, seven AND i tried to file

(43:11):
a complaint against the state and it was it was
dismissed by the, state you, understand AND i was cycled a.
Complaint you, follow complaint against. Them, Well i'm, saying foul
a lean against their, bonds which means who's ever ensuring

(43:32):
them is going to have to answer to you to
make this?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Right, okay all, Right, thomas thanks for. Advice so THAT
i mentioned were racing the clock here' stix away from
the top of ms v's also In, baltimore has a
suggestion for is she's online three grand Rising miss V v.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
And Brother.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Leslie i'm so sorry that you have to go through this.
Mess but what's the brother that just called in and
told you absolutely, Correct you've got to go. Further don't give.
UP i know it's a lot BECAUSE i went through
it years ago and then in the eighties with the
police brutality. Case and one THING i found out about

(44:13):
the police department In maryland is one they do. Wrong
they all stick. Together and THEN i went up against
lawyers who didn't want to take the, case And William
murphy was one of, them and he is a criminal.
Lawyer so they basically have been bought and. Sold and
that was the sad fact THAT i. Learned don't you give. Up,

(44:38):
ALSO i want you to Call Al. Sharpton he is
with The National Action, network and you explain to him
what you just explained to. Us he's going to look into.
It he will look into it because he's the last
of the founding fathers of the great people who used to,

(44:59):
march and he doesn't believe and injustice's guns to. PEOPLE
i don't care what they went. Through. NOW i have
an uncle who was wrongly accused of murdering a young
girl when he was in his, forties and for some

(45:20):
reason he did twenty. YEARS i don't know what they,
found but he kept SAYING i was. INNOCENT i was
In so he got hold of a network called The Angel.
Network they looked into his. Case they found out that
he did not permit the climate was a young guy
that she was seeing who stabbed her, up but she

(45:42):
was seeing this older, guy which was, him and they
blamed it on. Him so you got to see if
you can find this angel network that works through the penal.
SYSTEM i don't know.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Much about.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
It i'm gonna ask my cousins to give me more.
INFORMATION i don't want to give my number over the,
airways But i'll tell.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
You, what Miss.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Z we got to step aside and get caught up
in the traffic weather in different. Cities we'll put you on.
Hold you can give you. Information kevin will take information and.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Passed on To rogers because right, trying because you and.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
You're not the only one who's feeling the way people
listen to his story this morning and their and their,
pigs let me put that, way they ticked, off as you.

Speaker 12 (46:27):
Say bad because.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Negligent, yeah and it.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Seems to happen more than. Once but holy.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Thought hold that thought, there Miss. Ze we gotta take
the trafficking. WITHINS i mentioned not. Different citizen is three
minutes away from the top of our. Family you want
to join this conversation with that guest Leslie. Vo she
heard her. Story reach out to us at eight hundred
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy, six and
we take a phone calls after the traffic and. Weather
that's next and Grand rising. Family thanks are waking up
with us on This tuesday. MORNING i guess it's Listening
fosh his story if you're just waking. Up though his

(46:58):
story was a teen he was wrongly convicted of a
robbery In, baltimore and he's been trying to get it.
Exponentially said they took it off the, records but they're
still there every time you.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Go it's a.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Roadblock but more intriguing was the fact they took away his.
CHILDREN i think that's what heard a lot of folks
from your minded children were taken, care taken away from,
you put in foster. Care that's that's a big. ISSUE
i can ask, you what do your children? Say?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Now do you do you have a relationship with?

Speaker 10 (47:23):
Them, LESLIE i have a relationship with my. Children one
of THEM i don't have relationship, with and that is
the one that had actually won The Buran Casson award
as the highest academic child In Baltimore city before she
was placed In Fate thought the. Care during the course

(47:46):
of my trial in two thousand and, five they brought
her in to testify at my, trial and she was
so medicated to the point that she couldn't even keep
her head.

Speaker 12 (47:58):
UP i.

Speaker 10 (48:01):
Did the judge at the time and my, trial and
that trial in two thousand and five actually stopped the
trial and act her as she's been on medication prior
to this. Patten she told them, though they actually asked
her whether or not she had ever been away from

(48:23):
me and why would She what was the league then
that they would keep up medicating and they she said
that because they said she, was she wouldn't conform to
what they wanted her to. Do it's you, KNOW i
go through a. Lot that's the hurt THAT i cried
about that they're now, grown they have children of their. Owns,

(48:46):
now you, KNOW i have not had the opportunity to
have a relationship with my daughter and my grandchildren that
she has because of that dysfunctional situation that. Happened and it.
Hurts it truly hurts. Me and that's WHY i continue to,
fight BECAUSE i fight for. THEM i fight for what

(49:08):
was taken from me that was placed on, them something
THAT i had no role in WHEN i was a
teenager at the age of seventeen back in nineteen seventy.
Five you, know this is a situation THAT i wish
upon no. One and WHEN i say THAT i can't be,

(49:30):
ANGRY i can't have anger and then expect to be
successful and proven that what's been done to. Us because
anger is not going to solve what needs to be.
Done the people that have the power to do it
are ignoring it Because i'm fighting by. Myself IF i

(49:54):
had someone that was promoting me and helping, me such
as other as enemies have, had it would be. Different
because nowhere in The United states THAT i know, of
is there Any Exana reed who has ever had to
continuous B b labels extra thunder because of the same wrongful.

(50:19):
Conviction the state said that you were. Innocent, uh that's
got a backwards.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah and let me SHARE's another note we have for
one of our truck drivers and shout out to our truck.
Drives you have a bunch of. Drivers centis talk trucks
early in the morning and listening to. Us, uh and he,
says have you tried The Innocence? Project they work with it.

Speaker 10 (50:40):
With i'm involved with The Endocent. Project in, Fact i'm
a both person for The Edison project because The Edocent,
project by second of started that when they was Done
Northwestern university up THEN uh In. CHICAGO i met a
man Named Rob warden who was the leading professor at

(51:06):
that time up, there and he introduced me To barring
them before they started The Innocent project in twenty. Eighteen
barrie talked about my case at The Innocent network conference
And mephists tendenceee when we did the major walkdown there
from The Civil Rights museum Where Martin Luther king was classinated.

(51:30):
AT i had videos that's on my web page and
everything storm What i've experienced and and you, KNOW i
went back and looked at, this and to be honest with,
YOU i was. NOT i was really surprised of all
the things That i've actually had the opportunity to be part,
of and all the, While i'm still dealing with this

(51:51):
wrongful conviction for something THAT i had no knowledge of
or participation and WHEN i was a kid is and
And i'm a singer, now uh And i'm AND i
just it's so crazy That i'm still dealing.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
With this after we were telling me because we got
brother A kilon think we got to get to, Him
mom And. Charlie but let me ask, you, Though let's
see what keeps you going? Though because you, know many people,
say you, Know i'm sixties now and you Know i'm
looking at the back, end so you know which it's
just taking a major chunk out of my.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Life why DO i keep? Fighting?

Speaker 13 (52:28):
What?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (52:29):
HUH i can't do nothing, else, MAN i HAVE i
have to IF i IF i, STOP i believe the
ne's gonna be the end of. Me you UNDERSTAND i
can't give up. Now, man this's been going on JUST
i was a. Kid this Ain't this is not something

(52:53):
THAT i. Take like, ME i think about the dysfunctionalism
of this whole situation and what it has made of
my whole. Life, man enough and without any without any
participation to. Us And i'm not seeking. Sympathy i'm just

(53:13):
for people understand that this is how messed up the
system is towards people's such is up that have that
that if you innocent and they say you, innocent then
how can you still label me as a? Criminal you're
making me a slave to the.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
System, yeah but you, know you know, what lest let
me because you don't seem to have any anger for
the folks who let you.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
Down so and what good would it?

Speaker 13 (53:43):
Do?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (53:44):
True, WELL i mean what good would it. DO i,
MEAN i. CAN i can speak about a whole bunch
of different people THAT i have met SINCE i came,
home that have that had done and said a lot
of things that didn't do, anything but use my case
doesnt means for them to move forward in their careers and.
Stuff Judge Robert bell was the judge that granted me

(54:08):
my court release in the state Of. Miland he became
the highest judge of the highest appellate judge in the
state Of. Maland this man was the one that granted
me my court release when it was proven THAT i
had been wrong being prisoned at the age of. Seventeen
just imagine that man going into The Maryland State penitentiary

(54:30):
as a kid with no understanding of what prison, is
and then having to grow up in that environment and
then being thrown back into society with no kind of
supportive services, whatsoever and a dysfunctional family situation that transferred

(54:51):
because of your wrongful. Conviction my whole family has died. Off.
MAN i have no one but, Me that's ALL i.
Have You WHAT i can do to fight for those
THAT i have produced and that on my baby they now.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Wrong but we're just out of.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
Time, Here.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Lestie but let let me say, this how can we
help you because of?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
This how can?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
They how can we support? You how can weach?

Speaker 10 (55:22):
You get me before this governance for this man can
know what's to be. DONE i believe, THAT i believe
in my heart That Wes moore is familiar with my
case Because Brooke luhman was involved with my attorney back
in nineteen ninety, eight AND i know she told me

(55:43):
she's displayed to them about my. Case but but it's
a channel that they have to go through for me
to get to the. Governor And i'm trying to, say
if it's a civil rights, violation then there's no statue
or limitation towards. You people have been doing me wrong
ever SINCE i was seventh. Things The state Of maryland

(56:07):
has never done me. CORRECT i. COULD i don't care
how much money they say They they awarded me a
quarter of a million dollars in nineteen eighty, seven payable
and monthly payments for seven. YEARS i got a check
like a social service. Check you, UNDERSTAND i had no
understanding of how to spend, money or manage money or.

(56:29):
NOTHING i was thrown out here with no understanding of.
Life Then i'll ended up being homeless and had to
go through that to try to get myself. TOGETHER i
got My bastard's degree in, SOCIOLOGY i got my certifications
as a. PARALEGAL i started. WORKING i had to go
out and fight to get, jobs and then WHEN i

(56:52):
got them because of these wrongful confiscent, cases just. Exponiment
because not being, done things come. UP i ended up
using the dog Or i'll go back to the state
and their top And LESLIE i feel and what they
thought about. It they give it to me a documentary
and let Us.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I'll tell you What leslie and hold on a set
Because kevin wants to speak with. It so we're going
to put you on hold so so again and Give
kevin the information how folks can can reach you if
you've got a website or go fund me or something like,
that And kevin will pass it on to. Us but
don't hang up because we've got to move on to
our next guess he's been holding for a. While thank,
you thank. You, hey, listen, listen don't give, up don't give.

(57:34):
Up stay on hold all, right eleven at the top,
there let's go out to l a Brother keels waiting for,
Us Grand, Rising Brother, keil thank you for being so
patient with us this.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Morning Grand. Rising how you doing, There.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Carl i'm still, learning, Man i'm still learning from something every.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Day. Brother if we live or as we, live we
will continue to.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
LEARN i know you've got some information you want to
drop on us this morning that we learned about. Kwanzas
so let's go.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Number. One we all we've heard Of, kwansa but we
didn't really understand who was taking, place including everybody who
was involved with Bringing kwanza into. Existence, one we didn't

(58:29):
know That kwanza. BEGAN i take it all the way
back To. Malcolm let me begin and say. This in
nineteen sixty, three a brother Named Arthur Joseph graham formed the.

(58:51):
Organization it was called The Black Student. Council that was
the name of the. Organization and this was at Cal
State San, Diego september nineteen sixty. THREE a lot of
things happened that, year those of us who were around
at that. TIME jfk was killed In november twenty. Second

(59:14):
malcolm ended up saying that chickens coming home to. Roost
that was a statement that caused him to be suspended
by The nation Of islam leader The Honorabil Elijah. Muhammad
that Started malcolm on a new. Road he ended up

(59:35):
going to on his, journey he went To, ghana he
went To, nigeria he went To, egypt he went To.
Ethiopia he went To Saudi. Arabia he saw a lot of.
Things And ethiopia he saw In Addis. Ababa he saw.
This at the time nineteen sixty, four he had witnessed

(01:00:00):
this new organization called The organization Of African. Unity that
really impressed. Him it impressed him to the point That
malcolm said when he got back he was going to
start something like that when he got. Home when he
gets Home November, november excuse. Me may twenty, first nineteen sixty.

(01:00:23):
Four he arrives In New York. City he writes a
letter inviting other people to come To New York City
june twenty fourth through the twenty eighth as he launched
The organization Of Afro American. Unity and he, said if
y'all can, come come. On one of the people that

(01:00:47):
Received malcolm's letter of invitation Was Arthur. Graham arthur In San.
Diego he Was i'm sure he must have been surprised
to here you is a brand new organization just started
In september of nineteen sixty, three and he gets a

(01:01:08):
letter From malcolm that must be like, wow it must
have really floored.

Speaker 6 (01:01:13):
Him.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Well malcolm impressed Upon art in the following. Manner art
wanted to put together a, document a snake of statement
that was going to be contributing to the formation of
The organization Of Afro American. Unity he wrote a document

(01:01:38):
that he entitled The Seven. Principles art arranged for The
Black Student council to have a delegate to present The
Seven principles at this EIGHT u inaugural. Meeting the person's
name Was josh Von. WOOLFOLK i would later find out

(01:02:03):
out just this Year kwanza in here In La Jackie,
ryan who formerly Ran Zambizi, bazaar who was From San.
Diego WHEN i had mentioned to her About josh Von
wolfolk presenting The Seven, principles she jumped and, said This

(01:02:24):
josh Von, wolfolk he was known for making dynamic. Presentations
that explained to me Why art had Chosen josh to
go To New york and make this presentation.

Speaker 13 (01:02:39):
Can.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
HOLD i, thought right, there Brother, Kate we're gonna step
aside for a few moments and then we come. Back
i'll let you continue your. Story BUT i thought the
story started prior to in Ancient egypt privately For malcolm
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Sixties but Correctly i'm wrong with.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
That oh, yeah we're gonna start at the beginning because
you jumped into the middle eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy, six kwansa. Researcher Brother akilles
really us this. Morning, family you want to learn more About.
Kwanji you got a question about the, celebration reach out
to us at eight hundred and four or five zero
seventy eight seventy six and were ticket phone calls next
and grand rising, family thanks for staying with us on

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This tuesday. MORNING i guess his brother an w A,
kill Brother kil is A kwanza, researchers just some research
on the, Celebration so brother A, kil because ORIGINALLY i
thought you said it started in Ancient. Egypt but we
start off in the, middle so we're out of sequence,
here so we can help us follow the, story because
then you have to jump. Back as we follow the
sequence of the, story we can follow it. Better but go, Ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
Okay the reason WHY i did this is you will
understand in a. Moment you see When kwanza came with
nineteen sixty. Six, well what had happened is that After

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josh had made his presentation in nineteen sixty four In
New York, city he came back To San. Diego The
Black Student council had heard that a man by the
name Of Ron kringa was Teaching swahili in In Los

(01:04:17):
angeles At Fremont High school adult, school and so they
Sent Joe. Vincent they The Black student consul Sent Joe
vincent To la to Have karinga translate the. Titles. Seven
you got To you've got to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Start the story from the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Beginning i'm sorry to interrupt, you, man because all of
this means nothing unless we hear it from the. Beginning
you can't start a story in the. Middle i'm. Sorry you, can't,
man you can't start the story at the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
End i'm. Backtrack you got to start it at the.
Beginning we can't. Follow we're. Listening this is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Ears we're. Listening we can't see you gotta. Follow you
said it's, Starting Agent. Egypt let's let's follow the trajectory that.
Way can't jumping back and forth and back and. Forth
it's hard to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Follow. Man i'm, sorry BUT i just got to be
straight with.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
It then let me go straight to the to the
straight to the. Core but you'll understand in a. Moment you, see.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
We can't follow you if you keep jumping back and.
Forth just please tell the story from the. Beginning you
don't hear. Stuff people don't start stories in the middle
or the. End no better than that starting the day
you said it's starting Asient. Egypt let's go there so
we can.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Follow they refer to us as the stargazers in the
temple of Hit. Haru on the ceiling of The temple
of Hit haru is a, fresco and this fresco is
a picture of the, heavens dedicated To, nuts the goddess
of the, sky the goddess of the. Heavens and in

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this you see a circular but you don't realize when
you see, it you don't realize that this is a.
Calendar it's a stellar calendar that represents twenty five, thousand
nine hundred and twenty. Years and you see animals in.
This these animals are the. Beast these beasts represent ages

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that each age represents two, thousand one hundred and sixty,
years and you multiply twelve times two, thousand one hundred
and sixty, years and you get twenty five, thousand nine
hundred and twenty great. Year that's what this is called
a great. Year each age is a two, thousand one

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hundred and sixty year. Age and When kwanza, began you
don't realize until you hear that there was a prophecy,
said and this prophecy said that of the beasts would,
appear and that you would know the beasts by the
number six six. Six, well On december twenty, sixth nineteen sixty,

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six no one knew, this but that's what it, Is
december twenty, sixth nineteen sixty. Six when you add these numbers,
up you get a. Six at thirteen oh two the
address of The Aquarian Spiritual center And bookshop started By
Alfred legan and his Wife. Bernice this is Where quanzma.
Began and when some of you may have seen this

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picture of children with the word quanza on their, chest
that was the first quanza that fulfilled the six sixty
sixth PROPHECY i said twelve twenty, six nineteen sixty. Six
add that up you get a six at thirteen oh,
two that's another. Six Santa. Barbara Santa barbara is the

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code name Of shangoh In shango's number is. Six shango
is an. Orisha shango is an orisha that fought for the,
underdog or fights for the. Underdog shangoh is that's the
six sixty sixth prophecy being fulfilled at that moment in.
Time it was on a full moon. Day it was

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a ninety nine percent give us full, moon and it
achieved one hundred percent on the twenty. Seventh and in other,
words if it's like being on the edge and then
being pushed over the, edge so in other, words this
age was launched at that point in time and none of,
us none of us knew that we. Would it came

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exactly like the prophecy, said it would come like a
thief in the, night and nobody understood that how it
came to me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
A, Second hold on a, second let me let me
who made the, prophecy because it sounds really. Confusing to
be honest with.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
YOU i don't see why he's. Confusing our answer it
is because.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
You said it's done in Ancient. Egypt and then we're
all of a, sudden who made one tremendous leap into
the sixties from Ancient. Egypt exactly connect those thoughts for.
Us that's What i'm that's All i'm. Asking i'm trying to.
Follow i'm trying to visualize what you're telling.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
You number, one this prophecy was published in ninety six a.
D in the last three years Of Emperor. Domatian and
this was something that he had wanted to, know and
he had consulted people who were wise in knowing these,
ways who could read the, stars who could read the,
heavens and they could tell that this beast would. Appear

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and when you see this planet, sphere you will see
that there's two. Fish those fish Represent, pisces the age
in which The christian era, rose that is pisce in.
Age then you'll see these two. Fish the one on
the right appears to touch the right arm of a

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man with the staff in his left. Hand that represented
the beginning of an age of a new. Age and
that is exactly When kwanza. Began that was the, beast
that was the, Man that was the man that if
anybody sees this planetsphere you, was you would readily see

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for the two. Fish the two fish we have, names
by the, Way in And, raymi those are their. Names
and that is When kwanza began with the we're talking about,
now nineteen sixty, six twelve twenty, six nineteen sixty. Six
add that up you get a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Six but that's that's that's why i'ming a problem with
the Ancient egypt to the. Sixties i'm trying TO.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
I, said, now remember WHAT i just. SAID a moment.
AGO i said that ninety six a. D The emperor
Of rome of The Roman, empire The Eastern Roman, Empire.
Domatian he wanted to know from the ancients who were
older than, him what is going to be my? End
and the question that he was told from those who

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knew how to read that, planetsphere that a beast would.
Appear and the beast is the. Age that's what the
it's a cold, name cold reference to an, age an,
era and that era began When kwanza. Came and none

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of us ever knew. That we can walk around and
act like we KNOW i did, THIS i did, that
but we didn't know that we were launching an. AGE
i know a, doctor doctor, legan he didn't know he
was thinking that the age Of. Aquarius he had no
idea that the. Age the age Is quanza and it's

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on the children's. Chest the Word kwansa is there at
the First, kwanza the ritual that the children went, through
which was they, said case stands For, kenya And kenya
is the country In East africa where they Speak. Swahili
w is For, watusi and The watusi are people From
rwanda where they Speak. Swahilian it Was dammu in God

(01:12:28):
dammu who explained this to. Me he didn't elaborate the
whole drama that each child. Said he couldn't, remember but
those are the first two that they. SAID i refer
to this as The daimu. Ceremony this ceremony launched well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Second here thirty minutes out the top down family that
kills research On. Qwanja and he says he started back
in Ancient egypt and connecting the. Dots he, says connecting the,
dots and then we jumped all the way to this
prophecy that came to a reality in the. Sixties correct
me If i'm. Wrong i'm trying to follow. Here, kiel
and you said there were a group of children with

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with the markings on their chest spelt the Word. Kwanza
AM i, Correct i'm missing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Something you remember in gal Dal mua you you Met dalmud.
Before but, Anyhow damu's task was to come up with
something to involve the, children so he came up with
a with a uh uh a. DRAMA i referred to
it as a drama where each child would take a

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particular k w a and say something about. This and
as it, was a girl by the name Of Kamu kamo,
SAID i want to do be part of this, Too
and that's How kwanza got seven letters because Dam mu

(01:13:59):
rather than saying, no he and he included. Her he
made an extra. A he gave that aid to his Daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Terry and right a little back for a second, here
how did that come up with With? Kwanja why can't
they call it liptos?

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Or according To Kicheiko, davis who lives In, philadelphia she
says that it Was kringu's task to come up with
the Name, kwanza and that's we can.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Doctor came up with a Name. Kwanza he came up.

Speaker 10 (01:14:32):
With the Name.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Kwanza all, right, now it was it was Through it
was through a meeting that took place In San. Diego
after he has he's been invited to come To San
diego to make a presentation to The Black Student. Council
And uh after he makes his, Presentation, Uh Joe, vincent

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it was in his living, room he and his, Wife
joe And Gloria. Vincent, Uh joe Calls Arthur, graham And Arthur,
graham who wasn't, there but he was on the phone
and he now is connected With Karinga. Karenga at the
time that he comes To San, diego he's not thinking
in terms of a. Holiday he's coming to make a.

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Presentation that's Why gloria had invited him to come To San.
Diego to quote, her there wasn't nothing black happening In San.
Diego we wanted to hear what he had to, say quote.
Unquote so after he finishes making his, presentation Then joe
Calls graham and Puts graham on the phone With, kaminga

(01:15:38):
And graham says the, Following, look, brother we want you
to start a holiday On december twenty, sixth base it
around the seven principles and give it An african. Name Now,
dammux who would later say to. Me he said that
he And, kringa because he Told. Kringa they, say, hey,

(01:15:59):
Man i'm not down for no. RELIGION i don't want
anything to do with the new. Religion graham had Told,
karinga stay away from. Religion we don't want to be
involved with any. Religion and so this is What karreinga
would say To daalmud, said, no, no, no we're not

(01:16:20):
dealing with the. Religion this is based upon. Principles so
they went back To, la and it took them a
while to get things rolling just because they went back To.
La they didn't do it right. Then and there they
were still mulling around in their minds as to what
they were going to. Do it was On december twenty
fifth Where dalmud goes To karinga's. House his, Daughter daimu's Daughter,

(01:16:47):
terry wanted to give To Night kaaringa's daughter a gift
On Christmas, Day december twenty, fifth nineteen sixty. Five and
they go and get some toys and go By kringa's
house and then they get. There, man you, KNOW i
don't celebrate Most christmas in my, house this that and the,
other and blah blah blah And DomU, said, YEAH i

(01:17:10):
understand my daughter wanted to give your daughter a, gift
and So i'm supporting my daughter's gift giving. Gesture and
so in the discussion the, adults the children are playing
doing whatever it is they doing, this and you know
how children be the ear hustling on the what the
adults be, saying because As terry would, say after hearing them,

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say we have to deal with some other, holiday we
have to do, this that and the. Other And cherry,
says if you take Away, christmas what are we gonna?
Do that put the onus on the. Adults and from
that point, on that's how the committee came. Together well

(01:17:54):
that we're gonna start Hi eba and our moved became
the two lead organizers to bring everybody else involved in
THE us organization, together and everybody took a, position took a.
Role they all were doing research and coming up with

(01:18:16):
different ways of doing, this that and the. Other but
note they were gradually learning because they didn't know that
this is something that hadn't been done, before and they
were figuring out what had to be, done and it
would unravel kind of like you taking us the onion,
apart layer after, layer after layer because different people would

(01:18:39):
would would come in even after it had gotten. Started
in nineteen sixty, seven sister mckinya, mckinya it Was thanksgiving
weekend nineteen sixty. Seven colngia has taken.

Speaker 7 (01:18:56):
Her to the.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Airport she lives in The Bay. Area kringa's taking her
to the airport and he gives her an outline and he,
says see what you can do with. This she gets
back to The bay area and she Takes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Harambe and she, Expanded, oh that lefto right, there Brother,
key we gotta check the news whether sports in our different.
Cities twenty three minutes away from the tavday our. Family
this is A kwanza researcher brother At kiel and he,
says Doctor karringa came up with the Name kwanza and
he's telling us how we formulated and connect him back
to Ancient. Egypt what are your? Thoughts she got a
question for. Him reach out to us at eight hundred

(01:19:34):
and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take a phone calls after the. News that's next
And Grand rising, family thanks for staying with us on
This tuesday. MORNING i guess his Brother akil out Of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
La he.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Does he's done some research Into. Kwanza he says the
holiday was actually, prophesied but coming from the has got
roots in Ancient, egypt who we'll get back to in a.
Moment let me just remind. You coming up later this,
morning we're gonna speak of one of our premier. Scholars
that would Be professor Am, maine Who i'm pinned from
A Contracosta college in Northern. California he's going to talk About,
egypt The Grand Egypt, museum and the modern day fraud

(01:20:05):
that's taking place In egypt right. Now live this, week
you're gonna hear from civil rights Activists William Akassa. Riggs
he marched along with Doctor King marion Barritge On Harsh.
Snake he was part of. That we requa me toay
part of that come over with the coin the term black.
Power he's going to be here, Also Sister Pam africa
from The move organization is going to report on The
march uh For Mumu Abu jamal at the concludes today

(01:20:28):
and holistic and medical doctor DOCTOR a will be.

Speaker 10 (01:20:31):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Family you got you got some health issues you want
to hear from both. Sides a traditional doctor you, want a,
holistic a natural pathic.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Doctor she does it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Both she'll be here as, well so tell your friends
if you have some, issues some health issues or. Challenges
she's the lady you need to talk. To and also
one Of malcolm's daughter's going to join us as, Well Ayesha,
SHABBAZ i should say Doctor Lisa schabbaz is going to
be as, well coming raating the one hundred the centenary
at the anniversary of the autobiography Of MALCOLM. X she's
going to share that information with. Us so if you
are In, baltimore make sure you keep your radar locked

(01:21:00):
in tight on ten TEN, wlb or if you're in THE,
dmv you're on fourteen fifteen W. L all, right Brother,
keile before we go on any, Further Brother andre has
a question for you about we say The quan concept
was started in Ancient. Egypt so grind, Writing Brother andre,
young my Brother, akil.

Speaker 14 (01:21:21):
Brother a brother call and Bybe. Kiel, YES i have a.
Question BEFORE i ask that, question, THOUGH i want to acknowledge,
You Bybye, kiel for having one of the longest fans
Standing kwanza parade in the. Nation and you do that
every year and have been doing that for years Of
Princehaw boulevard right in the heart of the black community

(01:21:41):
Here Los angeles or what we call The molcolm that.
Corridor but my question is, this IF i see Where
carl is going with, this making the connection from Ancient
egypt to the principles you know of my aunt you, know, truth, justice,
righteousness and some of those founding principles and the other
on the impact of all that with the principles Of

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quasi working Together ujima jama self. DETERMINATION i think that
What i'd like to hear more. Of And i'm sure
that there's some listeners out there that are sort of
like borderline on the fence and maybe not understanding exactly
Why quanta should be celebrated and why these principles are

(01:22:24):
applicable in the here and. Now the sort of evolution
of the concept of righteousness and justice and fair play
and all of, that and the continuum from then till,
NOW i think it's a missing link from the continuum
of the discussion to bring it into modern day, times
to make it practical and applicable. Today can you comment

(01:22:45):
on those original My ostian principles And also it's connection
with The Anguza.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
Saba number, ONE.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I, think thank, You Brother, andrea and thank you for
pointing out the fact That kwansa is not a, holiday
it's a. Celebration that's another important.

Speaker 7 (01:23:05):
Point you know the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
HOLIDAYS i know it's coming, up so people got to
remember it's not a, holiday it's a. Celebration and also.

Speaker 14 (01:23:13):
Religious either BECAUSE i think it's the nominations of the
religion that it's people, say don't take away My. Jesus
were Celebrating. Jesus this is something that based on principles
and not a religious.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Concept and thank you for mentioning the brother kil puts
on the quancpt parade and hopefully he's chosen The king Of,
queens The king and The. Queen he'll tell, us hopefully
he'll give us that information about The quanti parade that's
going to take. Places you mentioned right through the heart
of Black Los. Angeles But Brother, Keil i'll actually respond
To andre's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:45):
Questions number, one the seven principles was it's What kwansa
is based. Around. This first of, all this look at
who we are as a. People we didn't even though
we went through slavery and all that that meant that

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we connected the. Docks we met all of the. Criteria
there had been some prophecies that had been said about Ancient.
Egypt it, said old daughter Of, egypt you will end
up being under a hard, master to the king of The,
north that your children would wear, sackcloths that you would

(01:24:29):
be sent to a land not your. Own we met
all three of those. Prophecies WHEN i say we black
folk here have met all three of those. Prophecies and
the fourth prophecy was said that a beast would, appear

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in other, words an age would. Come that age would
be known by six sixty. Six Now i've said this,
Earlier so When kwanza, came it fulfilled the six sixty sixth.
Prophecy it's fulfilled it in the following. Way one to,

(01:25:12):
day sixty sixty, six twelve twenty, six nineteen sixty six
is a. Six at thirteen oh, two it's another. Six Santa.
Barbara Santa barbara Represents shango And shango's number is. Six
and in the background nobody understood.

Speaker 13 (01:25:33):
THIS i KNOW i.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
DIDN'T i didn't come into an understanding of this until
being hit of the quansa coordinating. Committee my task was
to come up with the way of reinforcing The Nguzu.
Cyba and it was through a calendar that came into.
Existence and this CALENDAR i had to look and find
out what day of the week Was. Kwanza when it,

(01:25:58):
started it was on A. Monday that's why The kwanza
calendar everything keys off Of. Monday these days of the
week follow the seven Principles umoja through the money and
the first month Is wakwandraa that's the festival. Months it's

(01:26:20):
a seven day interclorie of intercalorie being days to lock
in the. Calendar and each, day of, course as everybody,
knows corresponds To umoja through The. Money and so this
year coming represents the year Of. Ujama in other, words

(01:26:42):
WHEN i, begin one of the things THAT i begin
to see was that each year would represent a. Change
it wasn't just that that it's always the. Same, no
each year we are like this year, coming it Represents.
Ujama the year that we're in right this moment Is

(01:27:03):
ujima and it. Lasts of, course we spend seven years
in each. Sign this is and it's also the we're
corresponding to the planet known As. Shango it Was Ohba.
Osagiman i've been formerly the first who founded Oh yatunji

(01:27:24):
village In South, carolina who renamed the planets and the
planet That uranus Is shango And. Shango this planet is
the only planet of the planets in The Solar system.

Speaker 11 (01:27:39):
That is on its.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Side all the other planets are vertical to the plane
of The. Sun But shango Or uranus is laying on
its side and it's spinning as it goes around the,
planet excuse, me as it goes around The. Sun and
it has an eighty four year cycle around The, sun

(01:28:03):
spinning seven years in each. Sign, now this is requiring
us to do some research research to understand how we're
going to put together and understand the flow of the.
Calendar because number one we have besides our annual, calendar

(01:28:26):
we have to also keep in mind how we keep
track of the quarter. Days understand WHEN i say, this
every year a quarter day is added in a cumulative,
form like at this point in time in a one,
thousand four hundred and sixty one year, cycle these one quarter,

(01:28:47):
days you keep track of. Them at the end of one,
thousand four hundred and sixty one, years you add a whole.
Year this is how the calendar is kept in. Place
so that meant that we have a solar, calendar we
have a lunar, calendar and we have a calendar that

(01:29:10):
locks everything according to the quarter. Days like according to
the quarter day of a one four hundred and sixty
one year, cycle we would be on day as of
the twenty sixth Of, december that will be the start
of day. Fifteen in other, words we are adding quarter.

(01:29:34):
Days every four years is a, day so after sixty
years we will be at. Fifteen because this year coming
marks the launch of the, opening the opening year of
the year Of, ujima the sixtieth year of The kwansa.
Era we are in a new, era and it's hard

(01:29:56):
for us to put this to grasp, this but WHEN
i say a new, era it means this is our,
role this is our, Path this is our. DESTINY i
can't speak about other folks, destiny but this is our.
Destiny we're the ones putting this. Together, again this has
come to. Us it didn't just come To it didn't

(01:30:18):
happen In, washington D. C didn't happen In. Atlanta happening
right here when this age, began this new age, began
and as much as. People they sound or may, think
oh he don't know what he's talking, about or this is,
incredible or whatever they have to. Say ALL i can
say to you is, this this age, began and as

(01:30:43):
the brother said, before it began with. Principles it didn't
begin with a. Savior it began with. Principles and these,
children the, children some of you may have seen, this
and if you doubt, it you can go TO.

Speaker 7 (01:31:00):
Bbc.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
First kwanza it's still. Up you can hear What terry says,
herself asked why when you see, this when you see
this photograph of children with the Word kwanza on their.
Chest the girl that has the leopard skin outfit, on

(01:31:22):
she has something in her. Hands what she has in
her hands are. Strained her Father damu And God dammu
has told her take that letter, off take the letter,
off take it. Off and what she says is that
the adults wanted to be. Correct there was no word

(01:31:43):
called k w a n z a. A there was
only k w a n z a and they wanted
to have that. Correct REMEMBER i had said Earlier, kinamu
who had wanted to say, That she had, SAID i
want to be a part of this. Too dommu made
another eight gave it to his Daughter terry because he

(01:32:04):
knew That terry would follow, instructions and he gave A
kinamu the Ki her Name kamos also K kenya is
a country In East. Africa when they Speaks swahili in
the next.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
One w, HOLD i thought right, there brother, kay we
got to step aside and get caught up in the
latest traffic weather at different. Cities i'll let you finish
your thought on the other, side and when you come
back to tell us about the parade that's going to
take place at The Quanta, parade especially for our folks
peeps out In Los angeles three minutes away from the
top of the our family speaking with our w a.
Kill Brother khil is A quansa researcher's coming up and

(01:32:39):
telling us That quansa actually started prophesied in Ancient. Egypt
what are your? Thoughts you can reach them at eight
hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll
take a phone calls after the traffic weather that's next
And Grand rising, family thanks for sticking with us on
This tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Morning.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Here Brother akil is with us From la he's A
quansa researcher and Says quanta has its roots In. Egypt
that is connecting the dots for. Us a Moment, tail
we're going to speak with Professor mainu And pen also
join us From. California he's at The Northern. California it's
A Contra Costa. College, well we get to A, momentelly
but Brother keel finished real quick and Doctor hake has

(01:33:15):
a question for you as well About.

Speaker 7 (01:33:16):
Kwanza, OKAY.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
I want to refer people To CHARLES. S, finch the
THIRD Md echoes of The dark of The Old Dark,
land page one twenty. One you will see the. Fresco
it was on The it was in the temple Of

(01:33:41):
headhru In. Dindara that is an ancient depiction of the.
Heavens that is a twenty five, thousand nine hundred and
twenty Year Great year calendar that was derived by our,
ancestors the stargazers who were watching the. Stars they were

(01:34:02):
the ones that put this. Together that is the ancient.
Connection and where you see when you see, this you
will see the different quote. Animals those are the. Beasts
there was nothing spooky or anything that there was nothing.
Evil those are just the zoo types that represented each astrological,

(01:34:27):
sign and each astrological sign, represented AND a represents an.
Era an era represents two, thousand one hundred and fifty
five to two one hundred and sixty. Years, now it's
a little bit much for somebody just to grasp something
without having an understanding of, this BUT i urge you

(01:34:50):
to Check Charles spinch THE. Ii you will see he
does an excellent job of breaking it down so that
you will understand in The echoes Of Dark old of
The Old Dark land And star Of Deep beginnings and
his book ten Thousand years in the In now in

(01:35:13):
The Now valley this night and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Doctor let me just say, This Doctor finch has been
several times a kill but in the interesting, Time Doctor,
hackey come From, baltimore has a question for us online. Too,
Uh Doctor hakey Grand, rising we only Brother Akil Queer.

Speaker 9 (01:35:29):
Grand Rising Grand, rising and appreciate the uh the scholar
here quote Mister. FINCH i appreciate that it's always a
good uh person you have on. Call but, uh you Mentioned,
kenya and ACTUALLY i was In kenya maybe the last
month month and a half. Ago, uh can you speak

(01:35:51):
to oh, well, first there will be a quart at
The Regin Refluence. Museum it's Coming saturday In. Baltimore SO
i definitely looked that up, everybody BUT i wanted to
just you, know can you just add on in terms
of in your, research you know the role of The
swahili language you. FOUND i, mean many describe it as

(01:36:13):
a trader's, language but did you find any of that
in your analysis of a quanta like or is that
like more contemporarily.

Speaker 10 (01:36:21):
And not just take it off the?

Speaker 9 (01:36:22):
Air so thank, you all, right thank Go.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
Swahili swahili cannot be denied as Being it's a language
that began in The valley of The. Now it began
amongst what is referred to as a band, too a language.
Base it has a an ancient. Origin it didn't just

(01:36:54):
people wanted to say that it's it was made. UP
i really don't think that you would see. That when
a conqueror comes, in the conqueror doesn't use the people
that he's, conquering doesn't use their. Language he wants to
impose his own language on. There But swahili has an
ancient foundation and it has become and it has accepted

(01:37:20):
by the oh now the organization Of African. Unity they
have THE Au African Unity Unity. Organization they have Adopted
swahili as the lingua franca of the. CONTINENTS i think
that this is the direction things are going, in That

(01:37:40):
swahili is not to be. Ignored it's something for us to.
EMBRACE i don't think that it would hurt us at
all to Study swahili and become an expert at that
it wouldn't hurt us to study not Just, swahili but Study.
Yorba and that our goal is to re killed our.

(01:38:00):
People don't just limit. Ourselves there's a lot of, things
a lot of vistas out there for us to tackle
and become a part. Of remember What malcolm was talking
about was joining black folks From canada To. Argentina if you,
black You African. American that's What malcolm was talking, about

(01:38:22):
and That swahili would be one of the languages that we.
Learned we have a new vista that we're dealing. With,
now let me get jumped quickly to The Kwanza. Guaide
this is the fourteen ninth year of The quans Of Guari.
Day our theme Is kufu Fu Lewa. Resurrection we had

(01:38:46):
begun honoring, women and we were going to speak in
terms of Honoring Asada shakur. Posthumously and what has, occurred of,
course Was Jamil elamin also known as H Rap brown passed.
Away so we have to honor both of these to

(01:39:13):
me important ancestors for what for their contribution and things
that they've. Done this is how we're going to. Honor
not we won't have uh Any Yaba queen And Obat
king per, se but we'll be honoring these sacred ancestors

(01:39:33):
and we'll be having it be speaking about. Them uh
it'll be part of the dialogue during or after the
parade that we speak of from the.

Speaker 7 (01:39:44):
Stage.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Right let me let me pump it up a little
because doctor prem but, quickly what time is the?

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Parade what what?

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Date and if you can just tell some of the
listeners who don't know some of the the they and
you can use the name that you for The king
and the queens of the parade of some of the
past ones that have led the.

Speaker 7 (01:40:05):
Parade we've.

Speaker 5 (01:40:07):
Had the first one was a, man but the name
Was steve Len, morris also known As Little Stevie. Wonder
he was in nineteen sixty nineteen seventy. Nine excuse, me
we've Had Danny, bakewell we've HAD i started stopping think about.

(01:40:29):
IT i can't even remember all the different people over
forty nine.

Speaker 15 (01:40:33):
Years Was Rosa mosley once one of?

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
Them it was mostly that. Played he was the he
was in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy, eight he was The,
obar and he was the helicopter In Magnum, pi the
helicopter Pilot Magnum. Pi And ROGER.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
E moseley and he he was our old.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
Bar he Was Marla geers was the old. Bar we've
Had drammo J Jizo, Platt we've had uh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Oh, boy we get to because we're flat out of time, here,
brother what days the?

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
Parade december twenty sixth ELEVEN a M adams And quinshaw
to The Merk. Park come, one come, all enjoying with?
It all? Right take care and www Dot Kwanza guada
G W A R i D e dot. Com that's our.
Website have a good, day.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
All, Right thank?

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
You Brother keel eight hundred four five here seventy eight seventy,
Six Grand Rising Professor main new and Pen welcome back
to the.

Speaker 16 (01:41:51):
Program Grant roger and shining Brother, Carl i'm glad to be.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Back, yes, sir we talked About.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Swahili you, know can you give us a little bit
of background Of swahili how because some, people you, KNOW
i think it was Doctor haiki mentioned The swail sort
of a bastard language or so what do you what
can you share with us About.

Speaker 16 (01:42:12):
Swahili, well you, know there's, definitely as a brother mentioned,
it An african foundation in baseed For, swahili but there's
an innermixture of other languages. Later But swahili is a
very important language that was taught here in The states
in the sixties and, seventies and a lot of the

(01:42:33):
independent schools have Chosen, swahili and for good reason because
if you look at The swahili, coast The east coast Of,
africa this was a great trading. Empire so in the
development of that cultural complex and trading, Network swahili was
a great trading language and has a great trading. Language

(01:42:54):
it was spread wide and far In, africa but also
to the. East so people in that, region whether The
kenyan or anywhere in that, area they to Speak swahili
as their original mother tongue or they speak it pretty
fluently because it's very, widespread and one of the things

(01:43:14):
that that cause activists here in The states to Embrace
swahilia as a language because it's not it's not tied
to a particular ethnic, group and talking About Pan african
culture And Pan african, unity the one way to do
that is to move people beyond their ethnic group itself

(01:43:36):
to embrace something that that that different groups can relate.
To so there's no such thing as having one lingua
franca or one language For africa as an easy, task
because groups are not going to give up their original
mother tongue to speak to mother group's. Language but With
swahili is not tied to a particular ethnic, groups so

(01:43:58):
it makes sense in The East african. Reason and If
swahili could be made as a regional, language then that
could be the basis for a much wider language spoken
on The african continent as opposed To french And english
and the foreign. Languages So swahili has been embraced for

(01:44:18):
very good reason because of the historical significance of that
region and the great level of, trade but also because
it can bring us towards. Unity AND i know from
traveling on The african continent pretty. Frequently you definitely have
a lot of internal divisions and conflict that has nothing
to do With, arabs that have nothing to do With.
Europeans these are internal divisions that the great primary, researcher

(01:44:41):
Doctor Chancell williams wrote about in The destruction Of Black
civilization after he did field research in twenty six countries
and among one hundred and five different language groups back
in the nineteen. Fifties So swahili holds some important keys for,
us and this is why it was A Central lane
language and continues to be an important language in the

(01:45:02):
Independent african schools around the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Country, yeah but do you ever see that it will
be The.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
Swili do you even see in these, countries these different
tribes very if you Will areas give up their language
or the dialects to Adopt. Swahili do you think that
will ever happen on.

Speaker 16 (01:45:20):
The, Continent not anytime. Soon those that don't speak it
now you know it's a language that's important for, Trade but,
no it's very difficult for something like that to. Happen
you Have swahili and The east who have you have
other languages on The west Coast bambara and on The
east where people speak that they understand, it but you,

(01:45:43):
know but they're not going to just give up their traditional.
Culture so one thing we'd have to look at is
practical connections on The african, continent things that would link,
people like a road system or railway, system or an economic,
grid things that would be very. Practical so that's where
this kind of unity would have to take. Place but

(01:46:05):
people are very particular about their, language and so it's
a challenge in any, area in any language that people
are not already using for communication and, trade to make
that the number of the main. Language this is why In,
ethiopia for, example the national language Is, amharic BUT i

(01:46:26):
can tell you from direct experience even this past summer
it's the same, old same mode.

Speaker 15 (01:46:32):
Via romo and all of the other.

Speaker 16 (01:46:33):
Groups they're not going to give up their language to
make A romo to Make amharc the most important language for.
Them they may speak am hard because it's a national
language and they have to be able to, communicate but
when they're speaking among, themselves they speak their own indigenous,
tongue their own indigenous. Language so this is one of

(01:46:55):
the things that Allows african groups to maintain longevity because
they embraced their traditional culture that they've gotten from their
mother and their father and their grandparents and great. Grandparents
but it also is a barrier of coming together as
well because they're locked into their particular. Experiences so there's

(01:47:17):
good and bad in. That so AND i know one
of the brothers on my Toured ethiopia's past this past
summer had a very difficult time of understanding what he
was experiencing because his ideas that he's had it's a
real good. Brother he's about almost, sixty real good. Brother
but his ideas that he's always learned in The, states

(01:47:41):
it ran into a conflict when he saw the reality
Of africa on the. Ground, well heally is, important but people.

Speaker 10 (01:47:49):
Have not made it a you, know a.

Speaker 16 (01:47:54):
Number one language in the entire region or you, know
all Of africa for the reasons That i'm referring. To
so this is what we have to understand About african
culture on the. Ground but for us to learn, languages
it has, Value but it doesn't mean that they're all
going to embrace it one there in and give up
what they've adopted in their own particular.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Traditions sought right, There Professor, ampim we're gonna step aside
for a few mo sos we come back, there let's
talk about the public news, Siteum Stolen artifacts and the
fabrication Of african. History family call up a couple of
friends Telling professor May new And pens on the. Radio
they'll thank you for. It and if you got a
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(01:48:36):
zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone
calls next And grant rising, family thanks are sticking with
us on This tuesday. MORNING i guess it's one of
our premier. Scholars professor man who and. Penmen if you
may not, Know sampen was the scholar the discovery That
Willy lynch that it was a fake and he out
of the person who wrote. It but he's also done
a lot of research on The african continent and it

(01:48:57):
comes back and we traveled with him vicariously when he
tells these researchers and reports back to. Us, today we're
going to talk about the Public, museum Stolen artifacts and
the fabrication Of african. History So Professor, impen first of
all the origin and there is a purpose of this
public museum that you're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
About where is?

Speaker 15 (01:49:14):
It, well the.

Speaker 7 (01:49:19):
Public museum it.

Speaker 16 (01:49:21):
Emerged In europe and so like In, britain for, example
you have The British museum founded in around seventeen fifty,
nine so it's the mid eighteenth, century and so you
had collections that were being formed In. Europe The british

(01:49:42):
are among the greatest, thieves you. Know The British, museum for,
example has over eight million artifacts and it's called it,
accurately it's stolen. Artifacts but the public museum really arised
out of out of theft around the world and. Colonialism
it's not like people were giving up sacred objects from

(01:50:03):
their traditional homeland and give to foreigners and. Strangers these
artifacts were taken during war and, theft so these became
so the public museum became a real phenomenon in the
eighteenth century and as a result of that you have
these great, collections not only In, europe but you can
look at The Metropolitan museum In New york and other big,

(01:50:26):
collections and it's based on what they stole and what they,
bought on what they bought in the underground. Market because
a lot of the artifacts that are still being sold
in the underground. Market they're being stolen even now to
feed these large collections that develop in the context of
colonialism and. Theft and you have some of the greatest

(01:50:49):
artifacts anywhere in the world in these. Collections SO i
mean to have a collection of items and material artifacts
is one, thing but we're talking about a public collection
where the public goes views these objects and they pay
for their enjoyment and. Entertainment this is A european. Phenomena

(01:51:12):
Certainly africans had important areas like Shrink i've been to
different shrines and important locations where there are artifacts for
rituals and, ceremonies but that's not for the. Public that's
for the most important ceremonies and. Rituals and so there's
a fundamental distinction having a small collection that are based

(01:51:32):
on cultural ceremonies and rituals versus a public. Museum so
this this originates out Of Western, europe and this is
what is being now presented as one of the greatest teaching.

Speaker 7 (01:51:48):
Institutions so a lot of.

Speaker 16 (01:51:49):
Us will have concerns with the carl that you know
that we're miseducated and misinformed in the schools or. Books
far more than that one thing that black, folks AND
i say that folks who Are latino as, well there's
there's Many latino folks here In, california and both communities don't.
Understand it's far more than that that the. Public once

(01:52:11):
people finish, school whether it's high, school and, some you,
know small percentage of us may go on to. College
but what folks don't typically understand is the great you,
know one of the greatest institutions to teach in, fact
misinformed people is the public. Museum and that's one of
the key institutions of. Misrepresentation so this is why we

(01:52:33):
should look at the.

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
Public.

Speaker 16 (01:52:36):
Museum AND i would say that many of us don't
go to. Museums we don't have a good experience because
the displays are not for. Us so black folks typically
have a bad experience or they don't go because you,
know they don't see it as a viable. Profession and
so this is what happens when there's been exhibits here

(01:52:57):
at the De Young museum In San, francisco there was
a king to a common, exhibit AND i was taking
one group after another after, another AND i REMEMBER i
was taking some first graders AND i got a tap
on the shoulder when we were about maybe two thirds
done going.

Speaker 10 (01:53:13):
Through the, exhibit AND i turned.

Speaker 16 (01:53:15):
Around it was a security security, guard looked cheapest and
a little bit embarrassed to tell me that there had
been a complaint that we were blocking the. WALKWAY i said,
what and he walked. Up he can see that these
young people were. DISCIPLINED i give a respect to the,

(01:53:36):
Teacher Sister muhammad and others for making sure these young
people were disciplined and they were. Focused AND i, said
what are you talking?

Speaker 10 (01:53:44):
About what it?

Speaker 16 (01:53:45):
Was it wasn't so much we were blocking anyone's walkway or,
access because my rule is stay close so people can
walk behind us or wherever they're, going and there's no.
Complaints what it was is that they didn't like WHAT
i was sharing because my insight in predicted the audio
headset propaganda that they were. Learning but these are the
kind of experiences that we have That i'm not. Yelling

(01:54:08):
i'm talking with great authority BECAUSE i Know i've studied
a million artifacts dealing with classical chemic SO i know
WHAT i know from my primary, Research So i'm not
Guessing i'm not whispering if somebody wants to join, us
join in to. Learn and SOMETIMES i do speak a
little louder when the opponent is around BECAUSE i want
them to publicly say, something because that allows me to

(01:54:31):
teach in front of the. Artifacts there's no better place
to teach than in front of the, artifacts whether they're
in a museum or out in the. Field so we
don't have good, experiences and so we don't typically go
and let, somebody particularly markets to black. Folks they, say,
look come to The Boston museum Of Fine arts because
we have a new being, exhibit and then people will,

(01:54:52):
go but they don't go on their own unless there's
this kind of specific. Marketing so the public museum is
out of our, eye but it should befronting, center and
that's the second home for. Me this is WHY i
can see how it is that the public museum is
a place of great misinformation and, propaganda and we typically

(01:55:12):
are not the ones who are there to absorb all of,
it but the general public learns how to how to
learn misinformation and at our. Dispense you'll see artifaction of
An african civilization and the way in which they are
described is absolutely. Absurd just one quick, example The Queen hatchipst.

(01:55:38):
Exhibit there was exhibit also at The Young museum In San.
Francisco it was in Tiles is two thousand and, five
two thousand and, six and people from all over the
region were contacted me The bay area to see IF
i can help or lead them to the.

Speaker 10 (01:55:53):
EXHIBIT i was.

Speaker 16 (01:55:55):
NAIVE i thought that only a, few you, know one
or two tours that would be.

Speaker 6 (01:55:58):
It but.

Speaker 16 (01:55:58):
No people kept going and the exhibit was Hatchip sit
From queen To. Pharaoh and as soon as you got
into the museum's this huge placard had said that Of
queen all of Hatchip set's statues of her as a
ruler were destroyed by her steps and most of the

(01:56:20):
Third SO i told the, people take a look at.
This you see, it you read, it and look how
absurd it. Is if all of her statues were destroyed
as a female, ruler then we wouldn't even be in an.
Exhibit look at all those statues around her as a,
ruler that female. Ruler but this is the kind of
thing that's perpetrated in front of the public that doesn't

(01:56:40):
make any sense. Whatsoever this is why we have to
have guided, tours because you're seeing one thing and reading
something totally different as put together by the.

Speaker 7 (01:56:49):
Museum so the.

Speaker 16 (01:56:50):
Public museum always has an angle and mini angles of
distortion and, misrepresentation and we're not always there to get.
It and then when we do, go we don't always
have the experience to really see the contradictions in. Writing
but it's the general public that's the target of of
of of these museum displays and the. Misinformation so the

(01:57:14):
public museum has been a tragic place because of the
theft and the misinformation of the artifacts that have been.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
Stolen all right thirty at the top Of Professor. Man
But PROFESSOR mp And i've Been i've been to one In.
Egypt i've been to several museums as. Well but if
you don't have a person like yourself Or quasi Or
Tony browner or the late Doctor Ronoka rashidi to explain
what we're, seeing we don't know what we're looking.

Speaker 7 (01:57:39):
At that's. True that's.

Speaker 16 (01:57:42):
True that that's that's absolutely. True you, know somebody had
asked me a, question one of the brothers on my
tour two years. Ago he had asked a question THAT
i really hadn't thought about too, much he, said, professor
do you uh? Lead he asked me IF i IF
i IF i lead other tours or something like. THAT
i hadn't really thought about, THAT i, see you know,
what excellent. Question and BECAUSE i had not really thought

(01:58:07):
about even THOUGH i have led tours to In New york,
before or one, tour that is that to have a
domestic tour so that people could could actually more people
can fit it into their schedule and it's more. Affordable
but you can stay in places Like New york for
two days and get incredible. Insight so it's very difficult

(01:58:29):
because we don't really have a culture of a museum.
Visitors so you're. Right without a group of brothers or
a few brothers or, sisters there's not a lot of.

Speaker 7 (01:58:42):
Options this is.

Speaker 16 (01:58:44):
WHY i wrote a series. Back this was more than
twenty years, ago the vanishing evidence of Classical african. Civilizations
And i've went through all of the rules that a
person should know and understand when they go to, museums
and so this is very. SIGNIFICANT i love to give
people the insight that they need to. Have for, example

(01:59:08):
it's very clear without talking to the audience this. Morning,
DIRECTLY i know that a lot of people who are
generally familiar with artifacts from let's, say from Kimm in
Or push that they would say that most of the
statues in terms of. DAMAGE i would ask where would
most of the namas be and they would, say the

(01:59:29):
noses are knocked. Off, yeah you're right to a, degree
the noses being knocked out of off of. Statues that
is part of the de africanization. Process but there's far
more statues they're the noses that the noses have been
reshaped and recarved and uh and made to be thinner

(01:59:50):
like an. Aquiline, No so there's far more standing and
behind the scenes work by conspirators to change the ratio
parents than statues where noses are knocked. Off it's just
that noses being knocked off are far more. Obvious So
i'll spend hours looking at one, artifact one statue and

(02:00:11):
mortar to make sure THAT i can see every angle
that the conspirators have been operating from behind the. Scenes
so these are statues and artifacts that have been doctored
up and de africanized after discovery in modern times by, archaeologists,

(02:00:31):
egyptologists museum, curators museum officials and the restorationists at these,
museums BECAUSE i have before and after photographs when they first,
excavate there's excavation, photographs and then you see the photographs
of these same artifacts after they are doctored up behind the,

(02:00:54):
scenes or you can see you see it in the,
photographs or you see it at the museum. Itself it's night.
Day but because people are not looking at this from
the angle That i'm, sharing the propagandas have been doing
this for, generations so there's far more statues that the
colors have been erased from the. Paint colors representing skin

(02:01:15):
tone have been systematically, Erased noses have been, reshaped lips
have been, reshaped eye colors have been, removed so that
when you're looking at a, statue particularly let's say from Classical,
chemic most of the statues are carved on, limestone and
limestone is a white. Stone so when all of the

(02:01:38):
dark paint representing skin tone is, stripped all the visitors
looking at is a statue that looks quote, white because
they're looking at the limestone where the paint on top
of the limestone has been. Stripped so unless people receive
training on this to your, point they're not going to

(02:01:59):
see it because not a casual way that you can
just understand. This i'm dealing with literally studying over a million.
Artifacts AND i started this back in nineteen eighty nine
and ninety WHEN i lived In europe and went Throughout
europe to do first hand research and, museums institutes and

(02:02:19):
libraries Throughout. Europe SO i was living In, ENGLAND i
went To, Germany East, germany In West. Germany now They're Won, Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, France, Belgium,
Holland denmark And. Sweden so with that, background THEN i
started to do the systematic work on The african continent
starting In chemic and that's Why i've been able to

(02:02:41):
expose not just statues and images and artifacts that have
been De africanized in other, words their facial and racial
appearance have, changed but there's outright forgeries statues that have
been created by the hands of modern man and they're.

Speaker 7 (02:02:57):
Not Ancient african. STATUES i know.

Speaker 16 (02:03:01):
That, uh so this is WHY i can see. This
so unless people are getting the, training, uh they're not
really going to. Know but at least at least if
people are, aware then they can you, know begin to ask.
Questions And i've done this online with My facebook, account
but also, UH i was really. Pleased last YEAR i
was IN i was in The netherlands AND i took

(02:03:23):
people to The National national uh.

Speaker 7 (02:03:27):
The The.

Speaker 16 (02:03:30):
National UH A museum there in uh and uh in
light And, holland and the people were really. Amazed SO
i gave them a test on the, spot take a
look at, it what do you? Notice and they mentioned some,
things but they didn't notice the microscopic chips all around

(02:03:53):
the knows to clearly indicate that the modern museum officials
have changed the race show appearance of the. Statue so
WHAT i did WAS i zoomed in with my phone
so that they can see those microscopic, chips all of
the scratch. MARKS i, said why the hell is the face?
Smooth the entire statue was, smooth but right around the nose,

(02:04:17):
area look at all of the markings and. Scrapes AND i,
said now with, that since you can see, it, now
stand back a few feet and you can see the
noses out of proportion with the. Face but this takes
hours and hours of. Study so it's not just. Books
as many of our people in our. Community think it's
far more than. That there's far more people being miseducated

(02:04:40):
and misdirected by the.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Public, OH i thought right. There we got to step
aside for a few, months So i'll let you. FINISH
i thought we'd come back, though tell us if if
this is organized, us it's just different, countries different museums
and doing this or this organized structure saying, hey we
go on to deafriganize all These african artifacts to make
it seem that our answers to didn't do anything to
the credit to where we are. TODAY i let you

(02:05:03):
explain that when we get back as. Well, family you
got a question about what the conversation we're having With
professor may and NEW. Mpm reach out to us at
eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy. Station
we'll take your phone calls next and Grand rising, family
thanks are staying with us on This tuesday, morning our
Guest Professor man New ampin out Of contracrost The college
In Northern, california discussing the The african.

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
Nation if you, will of some.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
Of these, Artifacts african artifacts in these museums and what
it means for. Us we're kind of seeing the same thing,
here but we're doing on a different level in this.
Country they're trying to erase everything that's black or everything
That's african to. Us so we're going to talk about
what's going to happen if we allow all of this
to continue to not just here but just. Worldwide what
are your thoughts you want to speak to? Him reach
out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

(02:05:46):
seventy eight seventy. Six and before we go back To Professor,
ampims who remind you coming up in the next few,
days you're going to hear from a civil rights, actor
this Brother Willie. Rix brother will looks inform me to
help perform a snak With Stokey carmichael And aqua Me
to and he also march With kwame and also with
Doctor king in march With Marion. Barry all those folks

(02:06:06):
who are involved In johns folks are involved In, Snake
so it'll be here tell his. Story, Also Sister Pam
africa will join us as well to discuss the recent
march for Mum Abou jamal and holistic doctor and traditional.
Doctor you get. Both and if you have a health,
challenge please speak to DOCTOR a she's gonna join. Us
and Also Elisha, SHABBAZ i should, say Doctor Elisha, shabbaz

(02:06:28):
That's malcolm's. Daughter she's going to be here as. Well
so if you are In, baltimore keep you, ready locked
in tight on ten ten w. Welb or if you're
in THE, tmv we'round fourteen fifty W L all, Right
professor m, Pim, so how do you know? What because
you've seen before and after. Pictures you know many of
us have not seen the before. Pictures how can we
know if we're getting?

Speaker 16 (02:06:49):
DUPED i would say make a careful assessment and not
just assume that what you see is, reality because the
vast number of artifacts have been dotted, up changed and de.
Africanized Because i've heard a lot of people who are
generally informed dismiss statues as some white boy or something like,

(02:07:14):
that or somebody Non, african and all they're looking at
is An african image that has been systematically stripped of
the dark paint representing the black or brown skin, tone
and they're looking at white. Limestone so they buy into. Us, no, no,
no my brother or, sister take a closer. Look let
me show, you and you can usually see spots and

(02:07:37):
traces of the original paint around the, face around the.

Speaker 7 (02:07:41):
Neck and so.

Speaker 16 (02:07:42):
Forth but you really can see more of the original
dark paint around the, feet, ankles and. Legs SO i
call it the dark, legs dark legs colorless face, phenomena
the dark legs colorless face phenomenal because when you look
at a lot of the, statues the conspirators are not
concerned with stripping paint down by the feeding, ankles because

(02:08:06):
hardly anybody pays attention to. That they look at the upper,
body in the. Face and the reason WHY i know
THAT i will stay in a gallery for hours not
just study the, artifacts but almost as if equally, important
study the people that are going into the gallery looking
at the, artifacts SO i can see what the effect.

(02:08:28):
Is and it's amazing how one person after another they
do exactly the same. Thing you, know if you have
a gallery room that maybe have thirty five forty, objects
and there's a number of galleries there's with, artifacts there's artifacts.

Speaker 10 (02:08:44):
In the main.

Speaker 16 (02:08:44):
Halls to get to the different gallery, rooms you don't
have time to really pay too much. Attention So i'll
tell people take a close, look understand the. Surface that's
that's being, used but take a close look at the paint.
Pattern and like when you go to The Grant Egyptian,
museum the one that just opened last month In giza
near the, pyramids this is a modern propaganda, museum spent

(02:09:09):
over about one point one billion to mislead the. Public
and when you go into the main, atrium the main,
room that's where the misrepresentation. Starts so if somebody sees
a huge statue Of ramsey's the second the greatest builder
in the history Of, kimmid in the thirty five foot
statue there and. Pressed but right next to that you

(02:09:30):
have two statues from The polemaic or The greek foreign
period that's also.

Speaker 11 (02:09:36):
There and then when you.

Speaker 16 (02:09:38):
See the stairs that go to the main, galleries they
have ten. Statues i've never seen anything like. This they
have ten statues of sin Wolse, read the first of one.
King it's the same statue.

Speaker 7 (02:09:51):
Over and over. Again this doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 16 (02:09:54):
Whatsoever they all are from his pyramid site at Lists
why would you have ten stats because of their propaganda.
Message every single one of these statues of this ruler
from about three thousand years, ago sin Wolves read the
first have been stripped of the.

Speaker 7 (02:10:13):
Paint so what you're.

Speaker 16 (02:10:14):
Looking at and what the visitors look, at and the
average about four thousand visitors a, day is the white
limestone that's been stripped of the. Paint but you can
see if you look carefully at the, eyes you can
see that there's paint that's been scrubbed out.

Speaker 7 (02:10:33):
If you look.

Speaker 16 (02:10:33):
Carefully at other, places they're not always thorough in stripping the,
paint but they do just enough so that the visitor
is not going to know the difference unless they take
a look at the statue with the microscopic assessment of an.
Optometrist then you can see. It but if it's just
a casual, walkthrough you won't see. It and that's really

(02:10:55):
what takes. Place but this is the biggest propaganda museum
NOW us in the. World but you can look at
galleries all around The western. World it's the same, old same.
Old so like The National museum In, Vienna, austria for,
example their game their propaganda is just to flip the.
Script and then when you go into that ancient gallery

(02:11:17):
with artifacts stolen From, africa you're looking at the newest
objects in the beginning of the, gallery and then you
have to walk through the gallery and get and then
the older. Artifacts the older images are in the. Back
this doesn't make sense unless someone knows that this is
a propaganda museum and the orientation is to flip the

(02:11:41):
script and turn history upside. Down we know that that
doesn't make any. Sense why would you present the new
stuff in the front because that's where the foreigners came.
In so you're looking at Non african images when you
walk into the, Gallery, well who built?

Speaker 7 (02:11:56):
This what is the?

Speaker 16 (02:11:57):
Civilization, yeah you're about. Time you get to the back
that big. Museum you're going to be a little bit.
Tired but you're thinking that the ones in the back came.
Later so it's museum, orientation it's museum. Layout The louver In,
paris for, example same. Thing they have signs everywhere in
the louver to point out to the unknown. Scribe see

(02:12:18):
the unknown.

Speaker 7 (02:12:18):
Scribe he's.

Speaker 16 (02:12:19):
Unknown we don't even know the. Name but why are
they promoting this one artifact out of hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds and some are absolute? Masterpieces how come those
are not highlighted because it doesn't allow them to tell
the propaganda's story that these are Non africans that built
this classical stivilization in Timoth The Unknown scribe has been

(02:12:40):
completely stripped from all of the paint on the, face
the upper, body and he had some rank in the,
society but he's not a, ruler.

Speaker 5 (02:12:50):
He's not a, king he's not of the royal. Family
so why is he being.

Speaker 16 (02:12:54):
Prioritized over dynasties and royal families and people of higher.
Status because they were not able to strip all of
the paint and the africanize a statue with as much
effectiveness as they were able to do with The Unknown.
Scribe we don't even know his, name and you can

(02:13:14):
go around the world and this is exactly how it,
is how it's. Organized so this is a systematic, effort
and the museum officials don't have to communicate with other
officials in different countries and.

Speaker 7 (02:13:26):
Cities they have the same.

Speaker 16 (02:13:27):
Mindset they're upset that when we go back into, Antiquity
africans were at the apex of human. Achievement there Was
africans who had laid out the scientific understanding that we
benefit from. Today It's africans that have the first book
in the history of. Humanity It's africans that created the
oldest surgical documents in the history of the. World It's

(02:13:50):
africans who created the, accurate the first accurate solar calendar
over six thousand years. Ago these are documented. Facts these
Are africans who created the the theorem of a square
plus b square equal c. Square we see the evidence
in The British museum on the second. Floor it's the
almost mathematical for pirates that's been, renamed which is often.

Speaker 10 (02:14:12):
What they do in.

Speaker 16 (02:14:13):
Museums they'll rename artifacts after The european, purchaser after The
european purchaser thousands of years, later and then there's other
artifacts that are named after the location that they're currently
in and not named after The africans who produce this
kind of, knowledge so they know exactly what they're doing

(02:14:34):
when they're laying out. Museums and if anybody thinks this
is just some, fantasy then WHEN i lived In, ENGLAND
i saw one of the most important. EXHIBITS i just
kind of stumbled on. IT i didn't even know it was,
there because WHENEVER i was traveling In europe going to,
museums institutes and libraries in nineteen eighty ninety, NINETY i
would go back to my base Of london and then

(02:14:57):
organize the next tours to the next, trip research trips
of different. Countries and one of the EXHIBITS i saw
in nineteen ninety was Entitled fake The art Of. Deception
faked The art Of, deception AND i, said, wow this
is exactly WHAT i have been documenting for months and
months and months and. Months and there were artifacts from

(02:15:19):
The British museum itself that they've now determined are fake and,
phony even though they had been on, display like the
stated statue Of Queen. Tetasheri most people have never heard
Of Queen. Tetashir they've heard Of, cleopatra they've heard of
other they've heard Of. Effertiti why have people heard About

(02:15:40):
effertiti and Not tetashii because they are the. Museum they're
Emphasizing effertiti because they they're trying to present her as
a white.

Speaker 7 (02:15:50):
Woman what did she? Accomplish?

Speaker 16 (02:15:52):
Nothing she didn't do, anything nor Did. Cleopatra but people
know these names because that's what's being emphasized by museum in.
Propagandists but what About.

Speaker 7 (02:16:01):
Tetashiri?

Speaker 16 (02:16:02):
Tetashiri tedtashiri was the, gate the great ancestress that brought
forth one of the Greatest Golden ages in Classical Chemic
tetashiri would. Have so we're, talking we're talking over thirty
seven hundred years, ago and it's the Great tedtashiria the seventeenth.
Dynasty she's the great ancestress that they looked. To Queen

(02:16:24):
tea and many others of that. Dynasty they looked At.
Tetashiri and so why would conspirators create a forgery in
the late eighteen hundreds because they Made tetashii look like
a modern white. Woman and WHEN i saw the exhibit
fake the art of, deception guess what was in? There

(02:16:45):
The tetashiary status statue that had been displayed in The
British museum for one hundred years after a century of.
Propaganda they took it off display put it in that
exhibit because it was clear that the writing the mettle
natural or the hieroglyphic writing on the side of the
statue didn't say anything because it was. Forged and she

(02:17:08):
had on a she has on a address that no
one has ever seen all and she looks like a
modern white woman in all kinds of unique. Features you
don't have royal statues with unique features because there's a,
protocol there's a, standard there's a royal cannon for the.
Artists all the artists were state trained artists when they

(02:17:30):
presented the royal family and high. Officials so this is
why you don't have a lot of. Us that's why
you don't have. Variation there's no such thing as artistic.
License you must follow the rules system that they believe
was given to them by The, creator By God. Patah So,
patah the name for The creator was over all of the.

(02:17:51):
Artisans they were under the tutelage of The God, patah
and therefore they believe that there are artistic. Standards their
artistic rules was perfect because they got it from From god,
himself and that's why nobody makes a. Change you can
be an average person that has never thought about any
of this very, much but when you've seen, it you

(02:18:11):
see a statue From, chemi you pretty much can identify
it because that's how similar and constant the rule system
was from one era to the. Next and when you
see a role a royal image that is completely, different completely,
unique with totally different features such as the, crown the,

(02:18:34):
dress the, appearance this is suspicious because this could not
have possibly been made by royal artists who understood the
rule system in the. Standards so there's a whole forgery
culture that. Exists and this forgery culture is hush.

Speaker 7 (02:18:51):
Hush in other, words museums.

Speaker 16 (02:18:53):
Will buy stuff on the underground from the underground, market
and they don't know the location or it came, from
but they'll buy it because it looks. Authentic they're not
going to ask too many questions because if they can
promote this as an important, piece what are the visitors
going to. Do they're going to pay their money and
go see the. Artifact so there's a forgery. Culture And Oscar,

(02:19:16):
muscuerella who used to work at The Metropolitan museum In
New york the met he wrote a book Called how
The Lie Became great and he In muscarella discusses the
forgery culture among the big museums around the world that
they're not going to talk about, it and no one's
going to take an object off display and see if

(02:19:39):
it's real or. Not so WHAT i saw with The
Teda shiri forgery was pretty rare that The British Museum
egyptologist took it off of display after one hundred years
of misrepresentation in fraud to say that this was a.
Forgery to, me it's obvious a. Forgery BUT i have
the tune eyes of someone who studied over a million

(02:19:59):
Artify so it's hard to. Tell but if people have
at least that they have in mind these, things then
they will begin to notice some of these these propaganda
strategies to mislead the.

Speaker 2 (02:20:12):
Public all, right hold up the right, there, well step.

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
ASIDE i, saw our stations can identify themselves down the,
Line Brother muhammad's got a question for you when we get.
Back is also the question? Two what does this mean for?
Reparations if they're trying to alter our, history what does
it mean for the? Reparations drive, Family you too want
to join this conversation With Professor may new AND pm
From Contracosta college In Northern. California reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy.

(02:20:36):
Six they will take your phone calls Next Angryan rising,
family thanks for rolling with us on This tuesday morning
with our, Guest Professor may NEW, ampm teachers Of Contracosta
college In Northern. California SO i mentioned he was the,
brother one of our smart brothers who figured out The
Williy lynch letter was a, fake was a, fraud and
he's here this morning discussing about some of the artifacts
that we see in some of the museums across the
world and the de afrighanization of some of these. Artifacts

(02:20:59):
speaking about Old, well let's go To. Gambia it's Sister
adwa's calls from The. Gambia she's. Online, Three Grand rising,
sister you're on With Professor.

Speaker 2 (02:21:06):
Ampere, Yes i'm.

Speaker 16 (02:21:15):
Here can you hear?

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
Me, yeah we, Ahead, yes we can hear.

Speaker 17 (02:21:19):
You, okay you can hear, Me Grand Rising. BROTHERS i
think it's very, interesting, uh, Professor, uh the way you
speak about seeing being able to see the. ART i
know if with the think the, sphinx.

Speaker 5 (02:21:39):
What is, It, PERU i can't the sphinx.

Speaker 17 (02:21:44):
Where they blew the features off of the, face but
yet the structure of, it you can still see An
african through the cheek, bones et, cetera et. Cetera and
then you made a kind about the artisans of antiquity

(02:22:06):
that they were ordained By god in such a way
that they presented their art with. Perfection and Since i've
been here In, Gambia i'm able to see. Better i'm
able to my artwork is More african than it's ever
been all my life Because i'm seeing. Differently is it

(02:22:30):
true that even though they try to erase the africanness
of the, artifacts that the underlying structure of the art Is,
African like the high cheek, bones like in the spines
where you can just about see the lists that would
have been, there the noose that would have been. There

(02:22:54):
what is it the golden? Ratio maybe you could speak to,
that but just the ability to see when we look
at people who have done have altered their features on their,
face they go and do these different, things you know
that it's not. Correct there's an imbalance. There can you

(02:23:16):
speak to? That AND i really appreciate the. Conversation thank
you so.

Speaker 16 (02:23:20):
Much, yeah you're, welcome my, SUSTER i appreciate it. Well
With haru im, ocket which Means haru in the, horizon,
uh the statue faces.

Speaker 7 (02:23:32):
East So i've learned over.

Speaker 16 (02:23:34):
The years that when we take the tours to go
and see the greatest statue in the history of, humanity
we go in the morning because in the, morning when
the sun and sun, rises it kisses the great. Statue
you can see all of the details much better than
in the afternoon when the sun is behind it and

(02:23:55):
there's a. Shadow So Horule market is the greatest statue On,
earth and the sisters. Correct if you look at the
prognantism or the protruding lower, jaw and you look at
the side, angle there's no question that this is an afrocoid.
Image but equally as, important what most people miss is
that the nose was carved, off not blown, off carved,

(02:24:18):
off and so you have damage. There the beard is,
missing but guess, what there is original dark brown paint
on both the left and right side of The great.
Monument and so WHAT i do in my presentations here
When i'm in the west or When i'm on the.

(02:24:41):
Field in the, FIELD i point out to people the
brownish paint that's pretty obvious only if you're looking for.
It if you're not looking for, it ninety percent of
the people would never see. It but the africoid skin
paint for the dark skin tone is, there and so
that's part of the de approganization that takes. Place but

(02:25:02):
there's always, traces there's always, evidence whether it's the, prognantism
so many other features they don't normally thoroughly destroy a
statue without a trace or remnant of the Original aprocoid.
Appearance whether it's a lot of times you see haphazard
spot the paint deal there because they were, sloppy or you'll,

(02:25:25):
see as the sisters, said the prognism and the Protruding lord.
Jaw so those are ways that you can always. Tell
whether it's large statues like who are In market which
is made out of one single block of. Limestone can
you imagine sixty six feet, high two hundred and forty feet,
long built by master, craftsmen and that has been systematically

(02:25:46):
attacked by modern, conspirators but also not only, modern but
even going back hundreds of years yet people attacking that
statue because they just didn't like the appearance of, it
appearance of it as An.

Speaker 1 (02:26:00):
African eight after the top, Day Brother mohammed's also joining.
Us he's online. Too he's going From, WASHINGTON, Dc Grand
Rising Islam lake and my brother you around With professor
Impem Well Lincoln.

Speaker 18 (02:26:11):
Salm this has really warm my heart here and brother
talk about our, history because this shows it just shows
me That i'm on the right.

Speaker 10 (02:26:21):
Path you.

Speaker 18 (02:26:24):
KNOW i got to Thank Master Ford muhammad for what
he left us to study BECAUSE i had an epiphany
combined WITH i believe she's one of his daughters to.
BE i, mean not Physical, dodge just. Spiritual Doctor Georgia.
Dunstan she's A dna. SCIENTIST i mentioned her before in the,
show and she teaches about the genomes and how the,

(02:26:47):
genome which is your entire strand OF, dna is an
information device and communication. Device so she, said only two
percent or less of YOUR dna is used to make
your physical, body and the rest of it is. Information

(02:27:07):
so and YOUR dna goes back at least six billion.
YEARS i would say it goes back further than.

Speaker 6 (02:27:12):
That BUT.

Speaker 5 (02:27:15):
I was.

Speaker 18 (02:27:16):
READING i looked up the word the definition of. Reading,
okay and obviously our guess as has been a lot of.
Reading BUT i went to the part of The Supreme
wisdom where it says The temple reading, class paragraph number
seven of The Original wounds Of, instructions and it says
the reading class shall include all of the. History and

(02:27:42):
THEN i had to stick back and think about, that
AND i, said how could a reading class contain all
of the, History like what kind of edifice would have
to be built to encompass all of the, history and
thanks to Doctor Georgia, DUNSTAN i completely understand What Master

(02:28:04):
Prob muhammad is. Saying the history is within, Us it's
all recorded in OUR. Dna SO i called in to
comfort the brother the professor that they can never erase our.
History we have technology within ourselves they don't even, comprehend

(02:28:29):
so we can actually go back in ourselves through OUR dna.

Speaker 7 (02:28:34):
And pull out the.

Speaker 4 (02:28:35):
History and this was so.

Speaker 18 (02:28:38):
PROFOUND i solved for two minutes, straight just unworthy of this,
revelation AND i just wanted to share it BECAUSE i
believe that's my, job you, know to help my people
and to share Whatever god gives. ME i just try
to give it to my, people you. Know but OUR

(02:29:02):
dna contains all of our. History we can go back
and rebuild anything we want. To we just have to
learn how to tune into it and manifest, it and
we have to learn how to read. Properly and that's
ALL i want to.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
Say Likely Brother mohammad just, Mentioned.

Speaker 16 (02:29:26):
YEAH i appreciate his comments about the importance of genetic
genetic memory IN. Dna we see that in all of,
nature where you can take the species from its mother
and parents and they still operate the same. Way that's genetic.
Memory uh so that's. Important along with that that we

(02:29:47):
also have to be very concerned and keen about is
the fact that documentation beats conversation every day of the.
Week so when the opponents are destroying, artifacts we can't.
Argue we can't argue About african greatness without. Evidence evidence is.
Important and someone, Counted they, said you, know images worth

(02:30:09):
what they say a thousand. WORDS i don't know who.
COUNT i don't know about image is worth nine hundred
and ninety eight, words one thousand and four thousand and.
FIVE i know that images are, Important so he's right
on another. Level but in terms of the visual, images
the attack is to destroy anything that looks and Appears,

(02:30:29):
african so that our historical memory is. Lost so it's
very important that we understand. That talking among, ourselves we
can pat each other on the. Back, however before the
world we need. Evidence and this is why great multi
geniuses like the Late seikantida was so revered because he

(02:30:50):
was able to show evidence on a completely different level
than the historical producers were not able to. Handle so
he can present evidence frominguistic, record the app can present
evidence from the mathematical level or from, physics no matter
what it.

Speaker 7 (02:31:08):
Was so we need.

Speaker 16 (02:31:10):
Physical evidence as, well and so that's why there's such
an attack by the historical opponents introducers to make sure
that this physical evidence is gone and we're not able
to make the arguments because then they can be just
reduced to opinion and fantasy as opposed to a concrete.

(02:31:30):
Reality and this is why a lot of people go
to some of the monuments to See african greatness because
it does mean something and it has an indelible imprint
on our. Psyche and when somebody wants to think about
doing anything that's, meaningful why not see the greatest monuments
on earth When africans were building for eternity and have

(02:31:53):
monuments that still confound the. World so these are things
that we should also know and recognize because we have
lost the historical. Memory but he's right on a different
level that our genetic memory is there and.

Speaker 7 (02:32:08):
So that's in every. Species so, yeah thank you very
much for.

Speaker 1 (02:32:13):
That all, right thirteen after the top of, that at,
least checking in From Baltimore Ice online To Grant rising
lead your only, Way Professor.

Speaker 2 (02:32:19):
Impim.

Speaker 12 (02:32:22):
Good afternoon And Grand rising AND i just want to
SAY i appreciate all your programs and this one, also
can you please touch on the ancient ol Of you
stone that is at The Laventa park right In, mexico
because if you look at that, stone that is all black,
features AND i believe the nose is taken off of that.

Speaker 16 (02:32:43):
Too, yeah, well that's that's that's very. Common, yeah and
again because the nose is the most prominent, feature you,
know and as we look, deeper it's many different.

Speaker 7 (02:32:56):
Things just to.

Speaker 16 (02:32:58):
Change the shape of the, nose to strip the paint,
colors to shorten the width of the, lips all of
these different things take place on a regular. Basis and
What i've always told people is that there's far more
artifacts that have been doctored up and The africanized then
noses knocked. Off it's just that that's the most obvious

(02:33:21):
thing and we shouldn't notice. That but the conspirators are
not only focused on the most. Obvious they're much more
subtle in their, ongoing relentless the psychosis to destroy artifacts
and like for, example WELL i can give many, examples

(02:33:41):
but one of the Things i'd shared with people a
couple of years, ago The Great avenue of sphinxes that
linked The karnac And looks or temples In. Egypt this
is a mile and a half long route where you
had one of the greatest, festivals The opet festival that
linked these two, temples and this old procession route was

(02:34:04):
underbuildings and homes and. Shops and it's just twenty twenty
two or so The egyptian government finally removed all those,
buildings so that route has now been. Reconstituted and when
you go and no one walks the whole route other
than the professor of Maindew And, PIM i, did AND
i looked at every single statue of the sphinxes and.

(02:34:28):
Shocking it's shocking that these modern criminals have literally engaged in,
crude clumsy and incompetent restoration work to totally strip The
african identity of some of these. Sphinxes it's, like, damn say,
Yes and people WHEN i showed this online were stunded.

(02:34:48):
SHOCKED i, say, yes you see that this is an
ongoing mission to make sure that every image is De.
Africanized who's behind, this someone might, say if we're talking About,
egypt there's The arab, workers there's conservation teams and who
are behind, this and anybody without any. Background you can

(02:35:09):
take an eight year old and a seven year old
and say, hey take a look at, this AND i
guarantee they will point out the obvious fraud involved where
it doesn't make any sense that the statue statues would
look like that because the features have been totally misaligned
by modern. Conspirators no one did this in, antiquity they

(02:35:31):
would have no reason. To but this is how obvious
it is once we have the a different, lens a
lens of like an opchometrist to look at the microscopic
details of how things are. Presented so this is what
we should be aware. Of and so anytime there's the
touting of a new, museum beware and be. Careful and

(02:35:52):
this is WHY i mentioned a few minutes ago The
Grant Egyptian museum is an outrageous museum Without and here's
something else that people should. Know it's not only The africanizing.

Speaker 7 (02:36:03):
Statues but it's also the.

Speaker 16 (02:36:05):
MUSEUM i mentioned the museum, layout but let me give
another example of how the layout.

Speaker 1 (02:36:09):
Misrepresentation, yeah hold, on hold up example There we're gonna
step asid for a few Months i'll let you finish
up and talk about. THAT i also want, to you,
know when we get back as, well talk about what
this means for the reparations. Movement if they're erasing our,
history that means we Can't you'll probably put a dance
in that movement appealing for. Reparations what are your? Thoughts,
Family you two can join this conversation With Professor mayin

(02:36:30):
and new And. Pim you can reach us at eight
hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and
we'll take your phone calls next and Grand rising, family
thanks for sticking with us on This tuesday. Morning with our,
Guest professor man New ampinn From Contra Costic college out In,
california we're discussing the The african, Nation, africanization if you,
will of. Museums they're trying to you, know, whitewash if you,

(02:36:53):
will all, that what all the stuff that our ancestors,
did and you, know and just discredit the works of our.
Ancestors and my question to, him AND i let him
finish what he was about to tell us a little
story and let him finish, that but what does this
mean for? Reparations So professor. Mpim let you finish your
story and explain to us what this will mean for
the reparations.

Speaker 5 (02:37:11):
Movement, YEAH i appreciate, that Brother.

Speaker 16 (02:37:14):
Carl so the orientation of museums is very. Important so
they'll put certain statues in the middle of the museum
floor for, emphasis and then there's more important, items but
more important and more influential people are off to the
side with only a little tiny. Label sometimes we've seen
artifacts without a label In, egypt for. Example but The

(02:37:36):
Grant Egyptian museum does what a lot of a lot
of museums. Do they will sometimes they'll take items and
they'll just kind of jumble them together together in a.
Category so the category could be let's say, statuary or
the category could be funerary, objects or it could be

(02:37:57):
so and when some when a museum just puts, things
put artifacts together without respect to chronology and timeline and
just groups them by, category then you can have items
and artifacts that are literally thousands of years, apart side
by side because you're just.

Speaker 15 (02:38:16):
Grouping them by.

Speaker 16 (02:38:17):
Category so The Grant Egyptian museum follows that propaganda.

Speaker 11 (02:38:23):
Ploy so that you won't know the.

Speaker 16 (02:38:26):
Original from the modern the modern imitation because they're all,
together but yet they can be two or three thousand years.
Apart you, know the original image of An african and
then you got a foreigner coming in A greek Or
roman for. Example and this is done around the. World
so this is problematic when there's not a strict protocol

(02:38:49):
to follow the chronology or follow the time sequence so
that people can see how things change over. Time and
to the question that it's not the, reparations it doesn't
these are this doesn't relate to. Reparations what it does
relate to is a similar.

Speaker 7 (02:39:07):
Word it's.

Speaker 16 (02:39:08):
Repatriation so the repatriation movement has to do with two,
things to repatriate human remains and cultural artifacts to the
next of. Kin so the repatriation movement gained great momentum
in the nineteen eighties and particularly the nineteen. Nineties so

(02:39:31):
around the world you have indigenous groups as well as
different countries that have been a part of the repatriation
movement to get their stolen artifacts. Returned so you have
like The ethiopian, government The nigerian, government The malian, government
The ghanaian. Government there's governments Around. Africa even The greek

(02:39:52):
government wants The elgin marbles back from The British. Museum
so the repatriation movement has has a tremendous international impact
and it's caused to change in some laws and some.
Policies Native americas they want their stuff, back they want
their ancestors back so they can be given a proper.

(02:40:13):
Reburial but The British, museum for, example their position is.
Interesting their position is we can't give back these items
because they mentioned two. Things number, one it's against our laws.

Speaker 7 (02:40:26):
To return what we. Stole, well my.

Speaker 16 (02:40:29):
Question what laws were in place when you stole the
items in the first. Place and then the backup position
of The British museum is that we're better caretakers of
these items than you are better. Caretakers WHEN i led
a group in The British museum back in two thousand and,
four people can go to my YouTube channel and see
Part we put a couple of clips of that. Tour

(02:40:52):
just go To professor MEINU mpm on my YouTube. Channel
you can see the. Clips and one of the THINGS
i wish with the people is The British museum is.
Bogus they're not better caretakers because in the main gallery
downstairs there are Priceless african artifacts that don't even have.

(02:41:13):
Glass they don't have glass to protect. Them they don't
have a, barrier they don't have a. Rope AND i
was pointing out to the brothers and sisters In, london,
said look at the the not just the, discoloration but
look at the deterioration of these. Artifacts and notice how it's,
discolored is eroding because people put their dirty hands on.

(02:41:33):
It we have oil and dirt on our, hands and
people touch the item because they always want to touch.

Speaker 7 (02:41:39):
It number.

Speaker 16 (02:41:40):
One and, secondly people want to be. Cool they want
to look cool when they're taking a, photograph so they
always lean against the. Artifacts SO i told one of the,
GUARDS i, said you need to stop people from touching these. Items, yeah,
yeah you're, right but we don't have enough. Guards what
do you mean you don't have enough. Guards you need
to do something about, that because look at, this this
is falling. Apart AND i told the folks that WHEN

(02:42:01):
i leave and come back to The, states you all
need to follow up with this because this is. Outrageous
what do you mean better? Caretakers how come they don't
have glass around it because they don't respect the.

Speaker 7 (02:42:11):
Artifacts but so The.

Speaker 16 (02:42:14):
Britain british are on the defensive because there's really no.
Defense their real position is what you're going to do about?
It we have, it we took, it so what we
can give any excuse we, Want and that's really what
it comes down. To but it's the repatriation. Movement people
can learn more about this movement by getting a magazine
Called Cultural. Survival Cultural survival is published quarterly and it

(02:42:38):
deals with the. Return not, always but a lot of
the stories deal with the return of cultural, artifacts not
only From africa.

Speaker 10 (02:42:46):
But around the.

Speaker 16 (02:42:47):
World indigenous people they want their ancestors back and they
want the artifacts.

Speaker 7 (02:42:51):
Back so that's what.

Speaker 16 (02:42:54):
This museum discussion has to do with the repatriation.

Speaker 1 (02:42:58):
MOVEMENT i got to ask, YOU i said twenty eight
after the. Top is there any country that stands out
more than any other that's on this vengeance bit AS
i would call, it trying to deafganize our. History it's
any country that stands out more than any.

Speaker 16 (02:43:12):
Other, yeah by Far, egypt because each of us colonized
More african artifacts than any other. Country so, yeah it
stands far and above because they have the largest The
Cairo museum In Tayhir square or Downtown. Cairo they, have you,
know such a huge, collection and they've colonized these artifacts

(02:43:36):
and they have, direct unmitigated access to, changing, altering. Distorting
so that's the museum with the biggest crimes of de,
afriganization and you see. It that's why WHEN i went
to the first, TIME i went to The Kiro museum
in nineteen ninety AFTER i finished.

Speaker 7 (02:43:56):
My work In.

Speaker 16 (02:43:57):
Europe it took me to go through The Kiro museum.
Once it took four and a half days BECAUSE i
went to every gallery looking at every, artifact AND i
found forgeries and a lot of other, outrageous obvious behind
the scenes work by conspirators or what they have been
doing in these. Statutes but you see problems around the,

(02:44:20):
world but that museum is the worst because these are
foreigners who have no respect for the. Artifacts and that's
why that is the worst. PLACE i, mean there's examples
and problems, everywhere but nobody has been more criminal than
The Cairo. Museum and then when you go to all
of the different collections In, europe you have lots of.

(02:44:41):
Problems it's just that they don't have as many artifacts
as what people are what we were Fighting.

Speaker 2 (02:44:46):
Cairo got you thirty minutes off the.

Speaker 1 (02:44:49):
TOPIC i got some folks who want to talk to,
You professor Am pinlis start with Brother, collis he's online
two calling From waldorf the Brother collin you question of
your comment From professor Am.

Speaker 19 (02:44:58):
Pi, yep thank, you my dear. Brothers PROFESSOR i Am.
Pen i'm befuddled, because, well we seem to be racing
towards our blackness and reclaiming our. History there are certain
of those coming out Of africa who are trying to

(02:45:18):
escape their, blackness uh and who claim that they are not,
black such, as for, example The somalians who came To
minnesota who says they are not, black but claim their
fealty to being A, somalian or they claim their fealty
to be An arab and so there their whole attention.

(02:45:43):
Span and then by the, way they've said a lot
of denigrating things ABOUT Us African americans here in The United. States,
uh in their their mosque and so. Forth SO i
know you run across this, situationuation but uh uh we

(02:46:03):
We African americans are going to have to h take
some coffee and wake up and smell the. Coffee because
a lot of our so called black brothers and sisters From,
africa The africans do not claim us as, such and
they are time to escape that. Blackness what say, you
my dear.

Speaker 16 (02:46:19):
BROTHER i Appreciated brother call us and thank.

Speaker 4 (02:46:23):
You.

Speaker 16 (02:46:23):
Well you, know it goes back to my days In
Morgan State university in the, eighties AND i had heard,
this you, know coming From, CALIFORNIA i had heard, that you,
know The africans don't like. Us but WHEN i started
looking around to see as an activist on campus and
and by the, way Brother Mukasa dota Of Willie, rix you,
know a great black, PANTHER i mean a black power

(02:46:46):
advocate would. Snick AND i was in the organization as
a student leader on the, campus SO i had a
chance to learn from the Great Willie ricks and. Others
but when it, so but my orientation was different WHEN
i started looking at all of the people around me
as an activisional. Campus i'm the one that Made african
history of requirement At Morgan. State BUT i looked at

(02:47:07):
all of the people and that Was fritch From. Namibia
there was Brother santos And graces From South. Africa There's
stephen The thungo From. Kenya there's Brother joseph me From.
Liberia AND i started looking at people THAT i was
and Brother kevin from The. Caribbean that wasn't my, experience
but we had been told. That but WHEN i looked
at my personal experience and WHO i was working with,

(02:47:29):
closely there were folks from THE, us but a lot
of The african brothers and. Sisters so WHEN i, TRAVEL
i have been very fortunate to meet the best people
who do nothing but help my work because when they
learned It i'm in the. Area i'm not REPRESENTING, Usaid
i'm not representing The State. Department i'm not representing some

(02:47:50):
foundation or some charity. Organization But i'm doing independent work
to help us learn about their traditional culture and beliefs
and the great culture that region that has. DECLINED i
received support far more THAN i can ever imagine that
these people see me as a valuable diplomat who is
helping them maintain their. Culture and that's been my. Experience

(02:48:13):
BUT i hear your, point, brother because what happens is
that we're being influenced by a lot of the loudmouse
online and not enough of us are challenging the narrative
because social media has a tremendous impact. Now so when
we look at whatever it IS x or YouTube or
whatever it may, Be, Instagram, facebook we see we all

(02:48:37):
can see a lot of the things that you're referring,
to and it's not enough people who are in the
trenches who have a very different, experience because anybody can
get online and say. Anything and that's one of the
problems is that with social media there's an, opportunity but
there's also challenges because anybody can get, online anybody can
say and post, anything and that's what gets pushed out

(02:49:00):
by the, algorithms and gets pushed out by people who
are responding to something.

Speaker 7 (02:49:05):
That they saw as.

Speaker 16 (02:49:06):
Disrespect so you have online feuds and debates that are
really silly and ridiculous because on the ground it's not the.
Same and if ANYBODY i have a documentary coming out
on ancient cush based on my, sorry it's not just
an so on cush not only ancient but also the modern,
communities you'll see that people don't even know me WHEN i,

(02:49:27):
come they can understand That i'm coming, authentically and it's
the kind of support that you would only give to
somebody that you, respect and what they are all saying
in one village after another the most remote places is
that they've never had a brother who's, independent who's a,
scholar who's come among. Them they only see white, folks

(02:49:48):
and then when they learn them from THE, us they
automatically thing. White But i'm coming, Differently BUT i get
the kind of support that you can only dream about
with everything from, guides translator.

Speaker 7 (02:50:00):
Security even If.

Speaker 16 (02:50:02):
I'm not emphasizing some of those you, know supportive, groups
they're they're doing it on their on their. Own so
we have to re look at this and recognize that
the algorithms are going to push out certain things and
people who don't have the experience When africans are going
to continue to push the narrative THAT i heard back
forty years ago about The africans don't like. Us but

(02:50:24):
that has not been my. Experience HAVE i had some
money ins and, people, yes, uh this Lasting WHEN i
was in living In, LONDON i went to The school
of orient And African. STUDIES i was in the library
AND i had a good day at the. LIBRARY i
found some very important things THAT i needed and SO
i was the one of the last people out of
the libraries a few of. Us AND i was on
the steps of the of the of the library at

(02:50:46):
The school Of oriento And African, studies AND i was
just putting some photocopies in my folder and a brother
To methiopia, say, man.

Speaker 7 (02:50:55):
What are you.

Speaker 16 (02:50:55):
Doing hey, Man i'm just doing some research on ancient
cush and you, know to original area that's now Called
ethiopia by The. Greeks and then he looks say, no,
no you work for THE cia and.

Speaker 7 (02:51:08):
Come To.

Speaker 16 (02:51:08):
Idis you come to my, COUNTRY i will kill. YOU i, said,
Brother i'm here doing. Work so then he repeated, it
SO i won't say on the air WHAT i told his.
Behind BUT i put my stuff down and told Him
i'm from the fieldmore In San. Francisco you say another
word and you will not be leaving this area.

Speaker 7 (02:51:28):
On your own.

Speaker 16 (02:51:28):
Accord so he jumped, back ran off like a punk.

Speaker 7 (02:51:32):
Coward in The.

Speaker 16 (02:51:33):
Sissy but the bottom line is that so we have
those kinds of, situations but that's rare in terms of
my experience around the. World not to discount what you,
say but we have to contextualize these stays and see
who's pushing the, narrative because you, KNOW i can show
a whole lot of more applicants that are with, us
and And i'm sure some are listening in The, BALTIMORE

(02:51:55):
dc area to The Carl Nelson program right now who
will do anything to work with. Us but they just
don't have the same voice and platform as some of
the other folks that we see on social.

Speaker 2 (02:52:06):
Media, yeah and the other issue, Too.

Speaker 1 (02:52:08):
Professor you, know if they have a running with one,
person One, african they don't even know what country's, from
and it's a negative, experience and then they blame All
africans throughout the diaspora that, way they don't like us
because they had one experienced and negative experience that One.
Africans it's the same thing with us. Too white folks
have bad experience with one of us and they pay

(02:52:29):
us all with the same. Brush so we got to
we've gotta be you, KNOW i think a little deeper,
family that's all it. Is BUT i think if you're
clearing that, up, listen we gotta take a short. Break
we got a bunch of folks got questions for, You Professor,
ampi so we come. Back i'll let them speak with.
You family YouTube can join us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six ticket phone calls
next Angerand rising. Family thanks are rolling with us on

(02:52:51):
This tuesday morning here with our Guests professor And may
and New Am. Pin i've got some folks want to
speak to him and we're talking about the The african
ed issue of artifacts in some of these. Museums you
can reach us at eight hundred and four or five
zero seventy eight seventy Six sis The kashiba's call us
From Silver spring And. Maryland she's online Three Grand Rising Sister,
kashiba the only.

Speaker 20 (02:53:09):
Professor I'm Pim Grand Rising carl and your gas professor
And pim perhaps FOR. AMPM i hope you come often
to The Carl nosen, Show Carl Nelson. SHOW i saw
you on The Sister sheanise. Show also In, britain because
The british want to know more About Black britain wants

(02:53:30):
to know more about his. History, Also i'm looking at
this from a slightly different. ANGLE i think sometimes you
have to look at something that maybe sometimes to prove a.
Negative there are three POINTS i want to emphasize. Here
why can't when you look at the SITUATION i asked,

(02:53:55):
myself why cannot these treasures be Of european Or arab?
Origin why cannot they? Be number, one you look at
THE dna of the, mummies which The egyptian government won't
won't probably won't give access. To you examined to see
THEIR dna of the ancient. Mummies number, two the actual

(02:54:18):
history of The european cave dwelling and The arab sand
dwelling of two to three thousand years? Ago where were
they two to three thousand years? Ago look at their
history to see where they. Were that's the number. Two
they couldn't be the Ancient. Egyptians number three the amount

(02:54:40):
of money that has been spent by The arabs and
The europeans to con to build that museum that you
if you prove all these, Things europeans And americans won't.

Speaker 10 (02:54:57):
Want to go to that.

Speaker 20 (02:54:58):
Museum THAT i heard at one time that a third
of THE gdp Of egypt is from their tourist. Industry
you know they. Don't they don't want somebody like you
destroying their tourist, industry even.

Speaker 19 (02:55:13):
If they have to, lie, lie.

Speaker 20 (02:55:15):
LIE i think that sometimes you just have to look at,
them at the liar himself and disprove everything he's saying
by looking at his own.

Speaker 16 (02:55:28):
History what do you say about, That, WELL i appreciate the.
QUESTION i think that you might have actually set up
that interview with Sisters denise out of THE, UK i. Believe,
yeah SO i appreciate. That, well, yeah of, course we
have to look at we have to look at. Everything
there's no question, oncesoever we look at the whole and

(02:55:50):
full history in a in a chronological. Fashion so, yeah, no,
no no question that tourism is a is an important
part of the economy In, egypt and many, people a
large percentage of people are employed in that. Economy, well
it's been clear for quite a while when people will,
say in The Chiro, museum for, Example i'll come the

(02:56:10):
forgeries Of rajotep and not fret in room thirty two
of that, museum WHICH i call the forgery. Room how
come they haven't been taken off? DISPLAY i have to
remind people that this is my. Work they're not going
to take something off of display when it's making them
a lot of. Money and this is the, case and
this is why the museums exist to generate, income generate,

(02:56:34):
funds but also mislead the. Public so of course my
work is contrary to the. Propaganda and we have to
always look at everything in a chronological, manner and we
have to put everything in proper historical, context meaning when and. Where, so,
yes that always has to be done in order to
fully understand any, topic for.

Speaker 1 (02:56:54):
Sure all, right thirteen away from the, top al let's
go to line, Five brother And coases only From chicago
and grant rising brother And cosey your only, Professor.

Speaker 15 (02:57:06):
Grand Ryan zing and jump over my. BROTHERS i WAS
i have to review a book THAT i, used Doctor
barby writing my mentor years ago delegate the authority of
teaching history to The black. Community AND i picked the
books of The destruction Of Black civilizations By Chncellor williams

(02:57:31):
And The African origin Of civilization by Shak antide whom you.
Mentioned frus down them AND i used those, books AND
i recently wanted to review them Because i've been suggesting
the books to people to read and then reviewing. Them
the first thing that jumps out and smacks me so

(02:57:52):
hard is That arab supremacy is so much, deeper, longer
and chronic Than white, toe and that they both combined
over a long period of time to set us what's
happening in the. Suit then now is what happened To, Egypt,
Uh ethiopia coach before the, end the same thing that's

(02:58:14):
happening with the rapid support forces the away. Ups but
WHAT i wanted to ask you was what do you
know of The Palermo?

Speaker 16 (02:58:22):
Stone, YEAH i appreciate The perminal stone is in The
Chiro museum In egypt and it's an important. Stone now
it's In, Palermal uh you, know part of it is In, Palerminal.
Italy but it's important because it actually lists the early
early rulers and in uh in kimmit do you have

(02:58:46):
the early chronologies that are the early dynasties listed on
The prelerminal. Stone so it's important because we have an
authentic stone from Classical kimmate that gives the the the
the dynasties of. Rulers so that's why The palermal stone is.
Important and a lot of the artifacts like that are
stolen and then these people who steal It europeans are.

(02:59:09):
Careless they so a lot of these artifacts now are
in disrepair and broken and broken off because the transport
the theft and then transport was just. Haphazard so but
the Palermal stone enough of us in, place so we
can see some of the early rulers in there are king's.
Lists there's different kings lists as they're called in different.

(02:59:29):
Locations so we can put these king lists together to
come up with a chronological list of ruling families In.
Kimmit and The Panormal stone is one of those most
important stones or documents that gives us the list of
Early african rulers In.

Speaker 7 (02:59:44):
Kimmit got you.

Speaker 1 (02:59:47):
Ten away from the top. Ol let's go to line.
Too speaking With Professor henry's calling us From. Baltimore he's online.
Two AS i Mentioned, henry your question For professor Am.

Speaker 8 (02:59:57):
Pim, YEAH i was been helping up mission and we
used to do archaeology with The bible and. Things and
we had some museums here Called black And Wax. Museum
you heard of that At?

Speaker 5 (03:00:14):
Uh, yes, yeah has?

Speaker 8 (03:00:18):
That and Uh Walter Carter museum. Downtown uh you heard
of that.

Speaker 4 (03:00:26):
One.

Speaker 8 (03:00:28):
Uh we have a few museums, Here Regine Lewis museum
that was just built about ten years. Ago you've been?

Speaker 10 (03:00:38):
There?

Speaker 7 (03:00:40):
No, NO i haven't.

Speaker 5 (03:00:41):
Been.

Speaker 8 (03:00:43):
Oh, yeah they have a lot of activities and things
like that, here things like, that so you go all over.

Speaker 7 (03:00:51):
Huh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 (03:00:54):
Doll one of the issues is that if you take
a look at the museum in THE, us over thirty five,
thousand the LAST i check thirty.

Speaker 11 (03:01:04):
Five this is BEFORE, covid.

Speaker 16 (03:01:07):
Over thirty five, thousand and only about two hundred and twenty,
nine just over two hundred are dealing With African, americans
so it's a fraction of one.

Speaker 7 (03:01:14):
Percent and so.

Speaker 16 (03:01:16):
We're just not museum. Goers and then you, know a
lot of museums THAT i have gone, to they're not
open all the. Time you, know you have to make an,
appointment or they open just a couple of days a,
week this kind of.

Speaker 7 (03:01:27):
Thing so, yes they're.

Speaker 16 (03:01:28):
Museums But Great blacks And Wax Brother Elma martin and LATE.
Elm Martin martin and his wife had created that On North,
avenue so very. Important people will go and See Great
blacks And. Wacks but we just don't have a lot
of museums around the, country just a few, hundred and
it's just not the same amount of resources available with

(03:01:49):
the same amount of focus as the general museums that
you can see in different different cities around the.

Speaker 2 (03:01:56):
Country, YEAH i echoed what you said about Great wax
And wax In.

Speaker 1 (03:02:00):
Baltimore if you haven't seen their family you're in the
area or a drive over Visiting, baltimore check it. Out
it's it's it's. Great that's ALL i can. Say But,
Professorly i'm. Pim Sister kashiba call back said she she
thinks she. Didn't you didn't really fully answer the. Question
And i'm not sure what the question.

Speaker 16 (03:02:17):
Was the QUESTION i don't know about you. MENTIONED i don't, know,
Uh european And.

Speaker 7 (03:02:25):
Arabs.

Speaker 16 (03:02:25):
UH i, think, Well i'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (03:02:28):
Which, Which, kevin do you remember what it, Was Kevin, Kevin, Uh, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:02:35):
Yeah her question was about the how The arabs were
not as, advanced they were still living in caves while
armed people were actually inventing and. Discovering and she was
saying that you didn't touch on that.

Speaker 16 (03:02:53):
Part oh that that, part, well the origin of The,
arab the origin of The. Arab arab really represents desert.
Dweller so these people are desert. Dwellers they're not original,
farmers they're not originally in settled. Areas so The arab
has been a. Wonderer they've been nomadic and this is

(03:03:18):
why it wasn't a big deal for them to move
in and conquer areas Of, africa because they're looking for,
land looking for. Resources and so when they come in
around six point forty of The Common era to the
area Of North, africa to come in as, invaders and
that's what we see. Today so they've been very. Destructive

(03:03:40):
they're destructive right now in The sedan and they're trying
to rewrite the history of not Only, egypt but claiming
that they're the original, builders not hell con to be
the original, builders when they were nowhere around until thousand,
more you, know well over one thousand years After kimming
is already. Gone then they in the seventh century of

(03:04:02):
The Common. Era but they also are In sudan lying
talking About newbians were not there and they're the original,
landowners making up wild histories that have nothing to do with.
Fact so this is why this war In sudan is
being fueled by The ginguweat devils on. Horseback they identify As,

(03:04:25):
arab some of them are Phenotypically, arab or folks in
the community would say a rap and some Are african
who identify with them because they Practice, islam they Speak,
arabic and they in many cases they might have some.
Mixture yeah they. Do and other times they make up
a fake history of fake pedigree in their family in
order to. Identify but They're, gingwee so you should not

(03:04:48):
call them the rapid support. Forces that's a euphemism for
what the local people In sudan called, them which are
the ginguwea devils on. Horseback so, yeah they came in very,
destructive just Like europeans came in very. Destructive so in either,
case we didn't do very well with either of those
groups when they came into the areas Of Northeast.

Speaker 1 (03:05:09):
Africa all, right five away from the, Top Miss richardson's.
Checking next she's Playing Professor mail and she's. Online four,
Rise Miss. Richardson your question or your comment For PROFESSOR.

Speaker 21 (03:05:19):
Mpm, yes all, right good, MORNING i got them on.
Pin you, KNOW i noticed when people come, on such as,
yourself they never point out The european as The Anglo.
Saxon they always are shy from. That BUT i would

(03:05:40):
appreciate it if you would really speak to the Being,
British england and Other european countries that did these things
to you, know take away the truth about those artifacts
and things like, that BECAUSE i think it's important to

(03:06:01):
point out who they, are The Anglo, saxon because we
have a lot Of blacks who Hate jewish. People they
hate White jewish people for some, reason and so they need,
to you, know stay away from that and get on
the real about who's doing the real trouble.

Speaker 2 (03:06:18):
With Black.

Speaker 1 (03:06:20):
We run out of time AND i want to give
to respond thank you for Calling PROFESSOR pm real, quick
and he was, Going Miss richard, said.

Speaker 16 (03:06:29):
Yeah just really. Briefly, well actually we did talk about
The british and the Criminal, okay The, British, yeah they're
They're Anglo. Saxon They're european.

Speaker 7 (03:06:39):
Descent so we said.

Speaker 16 (03:06:40):
THAT i don't know if you've heard the whole, program
but they're the biggest criminals In. Europe is stealing tons of.
Artifacts there's no. QUESTION i mentioned they've stolen over they
have eight million artifacts in the. Collection most of that's.
Stolen that's why there's a repatriation. Movement so they're, criminals
there's no. Question once, well there's a criminal culture all
Around europe and even Your. America they love the museum

(03:07:04):
they love to conquer somebody in their. Artifacts so it's
not just conquering the, people but it's conquering their, artifacts
and that's what we should be aware.

Speaker 1 (03:07:13):
Of, yeah stealing now History Professor Pim, hocker folks reach.
You are you working on another book real? Soon can
you share anything of information on that with?

Speaker 18 (03:07:22):
Us?

Speaker 7 (03:07:22):
YEAH i appreciate.

Speaker 16 (03:07:23):
It my latest book is a history Of african, CIVILIZATIONS
A history Of African. Civilization so posts can contact me
at main NEW mpm At. Gmail that's M a N
u last, NAME MPM A m P I m At
gmail and also go to the Website advancing The research

(03:07:45):
you can. Support we have a documentary coming out on
cush so folks can contact. Me i'm on YouTube Professor
manu And pim Also, facebook but email me and the
books available as well as some of my other work
AND i have classes coming up as. Well go back
to email and get those details and go to the

(03:08:06):
Website advancing theresearch dot.

Speaker 1 (03:08:08):
Org all, right thank, You PROFESSOR. Mpim, hey, family that's
it for the. Day classes. Dismissed stay, strong stay, positive
please stay, positive stay. Healthy we'll see tomorrow, morning six.
O'clock right here In baltimore on ten TEN wlb and
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