Mayor Johnny Ford, Professor Tyrene Wright & More On The Carl Nelson Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Umhmm, you're facing with the most submissive the Carl Nelson Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Nice and family, and thanks for making this part of
your morning ritual. Later, the founder of the World Conference
of Mayors and the National Council of Black Mayors, the
Honorable Johnny Ford Little check back into our classroom before
Mayor fourd though, professor of Tyrene Wright, who delve into
her groundbreaking book Booker t Washington and Africa the Making
of a Pan Afganist for doctor Wright Though, the executive

(00:57):
director of Appeal Incorporated, Doctor Click Quinn, will join us
a moment, Chary, we'll speak with the moves sister Pam Africa.
But let's get Kevin over the classroom doors again for
us this morning, Grand rising Kevin Ken looking for his keys. Uh,
not necessarily the keys.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
There's a lot going on behind the scenes that create
this illustrious show, you see.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
And Kevin's mister fixed Family Radio one, so he to
be putting out fires in the other stations. But captain
save them all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
That's right, That's what my friend Ron Thompson used to say,
Your captain save them all.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. If I can Man.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
So, how you feeling on this wonderful Thursday morning, the
twenty fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Carl, I'm still learning, Kevin Man, I'm still learning.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, that's in the Good Book Wisdom is better than Gold.
So it's a life is a learning So yeah, continue
that learning process and then you share that through the
eyes of wisdom. Colonel Yes, sir, heymen, that's from the
Good from the Good Book today.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
So what's trending in the news this morning.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, one of the things that I would like to
discuss is this guy that Trump chose to protect federal workers,
and his name is Paul Engracia. I don't know how
many people are familiar with him, but he's nominated to
be the head for the Office of Special Counsel. However,

(02:39):
in the past he's said some very extremist things, and
one of them was that the federal workers are lazy
and stupid.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yep, oh wow, yeah, But you know where that's coming from, Kevin.
I think this is administration's things all federal workers, black women, females,
black females. They think that's the major make of the
major force of the federal government workers. And it's the
thing that most of them are work in Washington, DC area.
I think that's where that comes to. That that's straight

(03:12):
up racist if you ask me.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
And sexes if indeed what you're saying they're thinking is
what they're actually thinking. However, they're federal workers themselves, aren't
they If you're writing for the federal government, so right,
we pay them. So then they're not looking in the
mirror when they say these things.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know, they're not like us, right right.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
And half the time they don't know when a microphone
is open, so they just think that this locker room
talk can work, whatever you want to say. And so
also Trump wanted to break up Navidia, but then the
CEO won him over. President Donald Trump hadn't even heard
of Navidia, the most valuable tech company in the world,

(04:01):
but once he found out about the AI chip, he
says he wanted to break it up before he learned
the facts.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So that from the tech area, and that sounds that
sounds about like him make a decision before you know researching,
right right.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
And Walmart is overhauling its approach to AI agency. This
AI thing, Carl is uh, it's it's coming. It's coming,
like it or not. We've got to prepare.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's here.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
We've got to prepare it, right, We've got to prepare
for artificial intelligence and the things that it can do,
the things that you want to avoid. You just got
to educate yourself because remember, wisdom is better than gold,
so you so you got to learn these things as
this comes along. But I wanted to talk about what
you were saying when we were off MIC that DC

(04:53):
has a new designation.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
That's right, it's the most congested traffic region in the country.
It used to be LA and you know LA's traffic
is just famous. It's just it's just all times a day.
In fact, in radio, sometimes we do traffic reports up
to eight and nine o'clock because you know, people are
still going home. And LA was the first market Kevin
to start the news at four o'clock in the morning

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because people are getting ready, you know, to go one
end of La County to the other and the other
around the country. Now they's starting to do the local
news at four in the morning. But because of the
traffic situation.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
But I guess you can attribute traffic in d C
to the design of the of Banneker City, if you will.
Because of the fact that d C was designed to
stop the the opponents, if you will, from being able
to get around in DC that quickly. And so when

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Benjamin Banniker built it, he built it with circle after
circle after circle, which could cause the traffic backup because
it was designed to draw to call also traffic backup
when there was the war here and the you know
in the United States and the forefathers were battling against
you know, Great Britain, and so it seems that thesease

(06:13):
should have been ranked high end traffic anyway. But but
you're saying it's even more extreme now because they're more cars.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Or yeah, that's what they're saying. And and DC has
mass transit where LA has just started to get mass transit.
But you know the l A car is part of
your character, you know, more than your home, all your clothes. Yeah,
it's what you drive. You know, everybody look at you.
Your social status is determined by what kind of automobile

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you have.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Oh I see, So you might see a Maserati on
the side of the road every now and.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Then, well you see you'll see those, Yeah, especially on
West LA, you'll see all of those. And you got
to have a good mechanic you know, just like you
have a doctor and uh and and you have a dentist,
you have a deal have a mechanic to celebrity mechanic. Yeah,
but you gotta have one of those. I can see that. Yeah, yeah,

(07:07):
no question, nothing like la good old la. Man.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well look look, Carl, that is gonna wrap it up
for trending topics today. We've got Pam Africa standing by.
Thanks for your time. I have a great morning.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
All right. Before you go, though, came, I want you
to watch this show on Netflix called Sunday Best. Barry
Gordy's son Carrie produced the show. It's a documentary about
the Ed Sullivan Show. How Ed Sullivan, you know, broke
all of the sort of rules or regulations if you will,
and promoted a lot of black acts on his TV show.
Those of you are a certain age, I can remember

(07:40):
remember Sullivan's show. That was the main thing to watch
Sunday nights. I think it was. That's right, I think
the next day that would be we talked about in school.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It was history breaking, it was life changing, and of
course there was tobo Ji Jo.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
All right, but yeah, I remember those shows, man, the
black and white TV. It's and I remember it's distinctly.
We had the conversation with Kenny Gamble about that show
and the tempts in the Supremes and that night when
they saying I'm Gonna make you Love Me or something
like that, he said he wrote that song. Wow, how
do you know he wrote that song?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, that was a great song, great song, I think,
And I think it was an avenue to make Diana
Ross you know, the boss too.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, that's kind of her coming out. It was Diana
Ross and the Supremes, you know. I think that was
a coming out party. That So he's got a lot
of Motown stories. We're going to talk with him and
he's gonna be with us on Monday. So I just
wanted the family. If you get a chance to check
it out, it's on Netflix. It's already there. It's getting
rave refused. I just read a review with The New
York Times did it and it's called Sunday Best. It's
a documentary about the Ed Sullivan Show and Ed Sullivan,

(08:50):
you know, went bent over backwards to get black acts
on the show and the first called us the Motown
and a lot of their artists made that show.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
So we're gonna get Jackson the four times James Brown
was on at Sullivan and yeah, it was. It was
a groundbreaking show. And also we saw the guy spinning
the plates.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's what we was a must watch for Sunday. You know,
now we have so many choices. It seems like we
got more choices, but still not anything you want to
watch on TV these days, even though we got more choices. Yeah,
the Variety show is gone.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
And of course now with the Trump administration, late night
comedy which even gave you some variety is going away
as well.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
So I just don't you.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Know, we just got to look at we're moving forward
now in time, we're moving forward to something better, something.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Greater, hopefully. Well yeah, man, I think positive, be optimist,
all right, I think positive. I'll tell you well, let's
be in. Sister Pam Africa here, Kevin, thank you for
telling us what's trending in the news this morning. I
take the top out, Sister Pam Africa, Grand Rising, Welcome
back to the program, Sister Pam there. Sister pampas with

(10:09):
the Move organization in Philadelphia and she's give us an
update on what's going on with Boo Jamal and also
with the Move organization, because the Move has been around
for quite some time. Okay, see if you can get
her back. And then just let me just reminder folks that, uh,
you know, tomorrow it's Friday, so we're going to invite

(10:29):
you just to free your mind that means the thing
for yourself for another edition of Open on Friday. We
begin taking your calls properly at six am Eastern time.
Folks wait to the last minute to check in, and
we always always leave a lot of folks holding. So please,
uh uh if you can just call in early because
you want to hear from you. You want to hear you know,
we have some brilliant listeners and callers out there, and
people are amazed that some of the information that is

(10:52):
shared each and every Friday, and so we want to
hear from you again. Later this morning, we're going to
speak with Johnny Ford, the honorable Johnny for I was
looking to the thing about honorable though he's no longer
the mayor of Tuskegee, but the title still sticks, you know,
just like the honorable Oh okay, paam Africa Grand Rising,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yes it is a Grand Rising doing good.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
I'm really doing good.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
And one thing for sure, I know that real winners
and all in regardless of what people see Trump do
and all that these are the acts of a desperate
administration and all those that's behind him and uh with
the uprisings throughout the United States and over in Bakino Fossil,

(11:44):
these people are scared to death and they could only
do what they used to doing. Is terrorized and all,
but their terrorism is making the people rise, up, rise
up and all, you know, for their own lives because
once people at one point people didn't see this. A
whole lot of other people don't see what's going on.

(12:05):
But I have a few points I want to talk
about and are uplifting, you know, things that's happened with
black folks and all, you know, most recently, So.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Go ahead share it with us.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
YEA A true One of the things I'm talking about
people power. And they had the fourth of July concert here.
It went all around the United States and Philadelphia the
fourth of July Wild Wire Concert would l L Cool
J and Sister Jazzmine Sullivan and a headlining. They had

(12:40):
the streets blocked off. I was at an earlier demonstration
that day with the sanitation, you know workers and you know,
moving your call then and you know that was that
was a great thing that happened, right, But the day
before the concert was due to go on, L L
who Jay pulled out and all. He said he could

(13:03):
not cross that picket line while you know, people are
suffering and all, that's why they're striking, so he wouldn't
do it, and then left Philadelphia's own Jazzmine Sullivan, young
black sister and up and comings and she pulled out.
And I'm telling you the day earlier, that day, on

(13:24):
the fourth of July, I was walking back and a
few blocks over because they was expecting thousands and thousands
of people to be here and all for this big concert.
They had some you know names, but to show the
power to people when the two of them pulled out,
and you cannot find a picture of a huge amount

(13:49):
of people that they were looking for. In fact, you know,
it reminds me of you know, when Trump said that
he won the election and they had the inauguration, know,
demonstration for him his people and uh and it was
very few people.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Although he boasted.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
And said he had a lie and or you know,
he had the lie because the power the people and
is what keeps manifesting here. Another one was, you know,
a few years before them, Public Enemy and the very
very first Welcome to America concert, Public Enemy was invited,

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and I mean this place was jam packed. I mean
people from you know, I mean you couldn't see for
the sea of people everywhere. And they performed the concert.
But what they did and they said on the stage,
they said, yes, welcome America. Cutis America. Philadelphia, Welcome to America,

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the city that dropped a bomb killing eleven men, women
and children. They talked about more media, They talked about
the injustices that was happening. I'm talking about, you know,
people who are entertainers and all who had the backbone
to stand up.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
They're still there.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
And you know what.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
I'm you know what I'm pointing at, you know, for.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
People who you know is in this entertainment you know world,
and are you know standing up is a righteous thing
you know to do. And you know, here's another example,
Meek Mills and when you know Moonia's demonstrations and things
was added height and uh they brought meat Mill and

(15:36):
said that he was a political prisoner.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
For people who don't know meet Mill is a rapper.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
And you know, I'm not talking against meat mills By,
you know, no no standard and are I'm just showing
the difference between when a real black political prisoner is
on the line. Mumia Abu Jamal the politics of Philadelphia,

(16:01):
and or who was DA at the time when we
was asking him and we had thousands of people asking
him to put Mounia into their technically program where you know,
if you didn't have a fair trial, you can be released,
and or he says, I'm not interested in this whole
thing about celebrities and or you know, I don't play

(16:23):
that game. And or but when it came to meet Mill,
a DA who is not supposed to leave his office
and go visit a meet Mill in the prison. And
they also had a helicopter the day that they release
him land on prison grounds and take him to.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
The football game.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
And or you know, it's it's the games that they play.
Crashner right now, he is responsible for letting them, you know,
helping to get a lot of people out of jail
and uh and and the points that he got people
out of jail. Moonia Mumia Abu jamon Or possesses you know,
one at every point that they have. But yet and

(17:04):
still he would not deal with the case of Monia.
And I have a problem with that and all with
people who come up and you know, do good and
make it at everything but Mona and all.

Speaker 8 (17:19):
To whole thought.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right there, Sister Pama gotta step aside for a few months.
We come back here. Yeah, fill us in on the
update on how Mobia about Jamal is doing. A family,
And I'm going to ask you because you know, I
know you ask you all the time because we always
have some new listeners people who have never heard believe
it or now people have never heard of Mama or
boot Jamaal. So if we can come back, just give
us a short description how he got to where he is.
Right now, Family, it's eighteen minutes at the top there.

(17:42):
I was just waking up. I guess there's a sister
Pama Africa from the Move organization in Philadelphia. You want
to join our conversation with her, reach out to us
at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to
seventy six and we'll take a phone calls.

Speaker 9 (17:53):
Next Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And Grand Rising Family. Thanks of waking up with us
on this Thursday morning, the twenty fourth day of July.
I guess the sister Pam Africa. She's a member of
the move organization in Philadelphia and she's given us an
update on Mamia abou Jamal. As I mentioned this, Sister Pam,
we have so many folks who are not just young
people who don't know about Malia his story. So if
you can backtrack for us and appreciate it and just

(18:45):
bring us up to date how Mamia got to where
he is right now?

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Okay, Moumlea bou Jamal was a black political prisoner on
death row, and this is the short version. He's in
prison and all because him, like Malcolm, him, like Martin,
him like Margar Evers and all dared to go up
against this government and was able to pull people together.
He was framed on December ninth for a murder that

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he did not commit. You know, he he's been in
jail over forty two years, with a massive worldwide movement
and you know, to bring him home. But people who
do not know the case and are Google go to
YouTube and pull up Moumia abu Jamal and you will find,

(19:34):
you know, several documentaries that was done on Moremeir, all
with facts to show innocence.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
You know, there's you know, different.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Colleges and uh you know, you know had came out,
had come out for Morena. The Japanese diet, you know,
which is equal to congress and are here in the
United States, came out for more Meir. The Black Congressional
carcass twice wrote letters and not this particular one, but.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
The ones before it and all. But it doesn't change.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
The fact that they say factually and all evidence points
to the fact that Mumia is innocent. This was the
entire Black Congressional caucus that uh congressmen former congressmen in
Shako for tai and you know, the Black Congressional caucus
you know up under that. And this is the case

(20:27):
that was so horrible and all that.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
This government in order to get rid of.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Brother Abdeli and all you know who was I'm probably
pronouncing the name wrong, who is the head of dealing
with elections and things and all, they used more Miir.
They killed two birds, try to kill two birds at
one stone. They got rid of him and Abidelli and
every since then elections that you know, uh wove so

(20:55):
election is gone crazy. There was another great black man and.

Speaker 8 (20:58):
All you know with.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
You know Momir and all they are.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
The way they got rid of him. They said that
he defended Momeir. He did not defend Momir. He was
the head of the nuble ACP at that time, and
they did the maker's bruf. And even if he did
defend MoMA and or it would have been his legal
right to do it. They had a case where I
can't think of the judges, judges name, Supreme Court judges

(21:25):
name and all that you know defended a man who
killed and raped a mother and a father and was
a darn thing said about that because that is what
they do. And or you know, but you know, we
had so much evidence and or you know, if you
go up on like I said, YouTube and these different places,

(21:47):
you'll find the information to show we are not without
the evidence to pring Momir home and all. He just
need to pull people back together again. Never Toget. When
we got Mimia off of death row. In the newspaper,
they had you know, articles and or drawings where they

(22:08):
had Mola standing on the box he was on death row.
And then they showed, you know, when they released them.
They showed people going the other way, and they figured
that they could beat us down with time. But they
cannot stop this revolution and or it's not just for Morela,
but it's for the everybody's and uh, they can't stop it.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And how's he doing that? How's your health? Sister?

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Pat Moran is still fighting you know, health issues. He's
much better than what he was before. And we should
be coming out with some information within the next week
or so.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
And if we and if we.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Don't get things the way were the way it should be,
there's going to be an international movement about what is
actually you know, what's what's happening with him healthwise? That's
all I'm allowed to say right now. But you know,
things is is is is a little touchy right now
and are the only reason why we're not saying anything

(23:12):
at this particular point is because of mood as strategy
and are so you know, people stay on board, stay
tuned to this station and or you know, so you
can find out you know what is you know, what
is actually you know happen you know with.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
His case.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
At twenty six after the time, let me say this,
sister Pama, and tell the audience too that uh Mamia
is becoming sort of an international celebrit if you will.
People in France, have you always been supporting him?

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yes, yes, in fact, and uh they have stamps on
him and uh, you know they they have in order
to graduate from the country of France. You have got
to know the case of Monia Abu Jamal. How did
that happen? When the French people you know, started you know,
supporting Momir and I mean heavily financially and all they

(24:08):
and was bringing students over. They brought a couple of
airplanes for people here when we did millions for Momir,
and this government was striking back, saying that the students
were stupid, they didn't know what they were doing.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
They were do by the Moonia uh, you know movement,
and so what the French did, you know?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
They turned around, They told me, you know, well, if
that's what you think and or come over to their
you know, like it's equal to city council or something here,
you know, come over, you come.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
Over here and state your position and uh.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
And they also told me.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
That they will bring me they would bring Ramona.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
You know, Africa over there and uh and we'll sit
down and they they backed out and or you know,
because they was the one saying that you know all
this stuff, that you was a liar, a liar, a lie.
So they said, well, let's put both sides together. And
you know it's like we're asking was asking for a
fair trial. And now, you know, I want people to
understand the language we use is harmful because when a

(25:13):
lot of people are saying we want a new trial
for more Mia, we want a fair trial for more
miir people got to understand Momia never had a trial
that was a complete railroad. There was no justice whatsoever,
and that thing that they could on and declared more
Mia guilty of killing police officer farkment because they to

(25:36):
this day have not been able to prove it. The
West Coast was shut down, the entire West coast for
two days and all no shipments moved at all in
nineteen ninety I believe it was ninety five, and when
the longshoremen shut it down for more Mia and all
students walking out in Brazil for more Mia and Africa

(26:00):
and Canada and all we were brought over there by
President Fidel Castro and or who had large, you know,
unbelievable size demonstration for Mona and in France tens of
thousands of people in the street for Morena. But we
have a government that think that they can get away

(26:22):
what their you know, would killing Morea. They desire was
to kill him on death row and you know, and
they put everything that they could in it, but the
power of the people and when we all united because
it was not just about Monia, it was about the
issues that Mona was dealing with and being able to

(26:42):
pull people into listening and organize and get people in
the street.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
As a young man of twenty six.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Or father of two and or who was beaten, shot,
thrown in jail on December in nineteen nineteen eighty one,
and you know, the government has been and you know,
trying to kill him there when they failed u to
kill him on death row and or it rounded up,

(27:10):
they round it up, starting to attack his body because
as long as mummy was on death row for thirty
years when he should have been off there.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Once he came off of death row, Maureen Faulkner and all,
who is the officer's wife, said that mumy was gonna
burn it in hell and or he'll they'll get their
justice when he go into general population. At the point
he's went in general population, the illnesses began and or
you know where things were so hard well world whide movement,

(27:44):
you know, stopped up with Moony's body was encased like
a leather skin and or his skin had to be
scrubbed off.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
And or to pull that.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
You know, he was under this and all his neck
and looked like a chicken neck. And or you can
see when things that look like skills, like when you know,
you can see the blood you know, up under ext
ears was.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
Coming off his face.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
They gave mom a hepatitis sea, they gave Omita had
to wind up and or having a triple bypass surgery.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
The guard that was in the room when.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
This happened, he said that you know, he was messed
up because he saw momea on on the table and Mom,
your heart was on another table bead and all you know, Oh.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Wow, I thought right there, twenty nine minutes, I thought
this sister Pam me telling folks who were just waking
up who they're listening to. His sister Pam Africa from
the move organizations giving an update on Ameya Upoo Jama
as a political prisoner, and you mentioned all these health
challenges that he had. I don't know Minister far kahin
try to get some of his doctors to see Mama.

(28:51):
How did that work out or is he does he
has that been a bandons is still trying.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
No, they wouldn't allow Minister fair Come.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
But at this particular point we had some doctors u
Doctor Ricardo Alvarez and other doctors that's dealing with Momir
from the outside. Any pill that they give MoMA and
you know Momia, you know, cause this doctor to let
him know and things that's happening with from now that's
being bounced back and forth with you know, people on

(29:22):
the outside.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
We still have the.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
One hundred percent support of Minister Lewis fair Com. And
you know he has his people outside the United States
and around the United States on God and all you
know for you know, work for Momir. Their articles reflect
your work, you know in the papers you know as well.

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Long give minister Lucis standing company.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Twenty seven away from the top. Now is he still
is he still doing his life of death row reports?

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yes he does. He does commentaries with prison radio. That's
another place people can go and you know get commentaries
his thousand. You name the subject, he had something on
it and that's uh. You go to prison radio dot
com and you'll find out where the archives can offer
for him. Is that and then there's another great place

(30:17):
to go. A black reporter by the name of Lynn Washington,
who was a friend of Momia's and you know in
the early days, and he's still right there. He's a
professor of journalism at at Temple and he has a
site called this Can't be Happening and or if you

(30:37):
want to find out what happened with Momeia. He's very detailed.
He's very thorough because not only was he's a journalist
and all, but he.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Was what is that word for? For just this mix,
he was his room. They actually do.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
The writing of whatever you hear judge say these people,
he'll write it and uh, I can't think of he had.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
It's a title with that.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
And also he's the learning of the law, you know,
when they're messing up and when they're not. And he's
another one who have not backed that and uh at
any point.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
Against the injustices that happened here.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, let me just say this because we talked about
France and one of the countries that they were behind Momea.
Did you know that it was a street or or
or an avenue or something in France?

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Somewhere in Paris and Santy there's a street and the
main interest is a few blocks and that's.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
And that's a suburb of Paris. Yes, right, a lot
of black folks lived there in that part of the past.
But go ahead, it's just the pament. Tell because this
is unique, you know, for an American political prisoner, and
he could they name a street after you in a
in a foreign country? Explain that for us?

Speaker 6 (31:55):
That's not the only one.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
And uh was hanging in Paris in the city hall,
and or is a picture of MoMA because Mumia was
made an honorary citizen of Paris.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
And the government here went after them.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
About it, and they said that, oh, that's just crazy.
From long being recorded, they said that they were naming
the street after a cop killer. And they rode back
and they said, you must be mistaken. And or because
we named the street after Mumia Abu Jamal and or

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we did not name the street after a cop killer.
And they had the evidence to prove it, and they're
teaching it. And this is the kind of stuff that
was going back and forth. You know why French fries
is no longer called French fries because the French people
came came here, demonstrated several times and or you know,
and went around the world talking about the case of Mola,

(32:57):
and they had this battle in the cogs and and
they voted this. This, This is how petty these people is.
You know that they will no longer call it French fries.
They'll call them fries.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, let me just add this a sidebar here. Tony
Tony browner chemtologist is in Paris. He's speaking there. He's
got an engagement there tomorrow and folks are listening, are
there anywhere in Europe? But I hate to tell it,
it's sold out. You know the old people are going
to pack to see brother Tony brown or tomorrow Friday
in Paris?

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Yeah, in Paris, Yeah, Paris, We got support support there.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
And I know the timing is different from here than there.
And because right now, whether it's six o'clock in the
morning or seven o'clock in the morning here, it's either
you know, this time at night.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
You know they will so it's early morning there. So
much I think it's around eleven there because we just
you know, they said, hold that thought right there, sister Pam.
We've got to take a short break and I'll let
you finish your thought on the other side. Family, you
two can join our conversation with Pam Africa from the
Move Organization. Reach out to us at eight hundred four
or five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take the

(34:12):
phone calls. That's the news, trafficking, weather update.

Speaker 8 (34:14):
It's next. Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
And Grandarizing family. Thanks of waking up with us on
this Thursday morning, this is the twenty fourth day of July,
with our guess, the sister Pam Africa from the Move Organization.
Before we go back to it, let me just remind you.
Coming up later this morning, we speak to the founder
of the World Conference of Mayors and also the National
Council of Black Mayors, that would be the honorable Johnny Ford.
And before we speak to Mayor Ford, though, we're going
to have a conversation with Professor Tyreean Wright and she's

(35:05):
going to delve into her groundbreaking book Booker t Washington
and Africa, The Making of a Pan Africanists before doctor
Wright though and come up next to following Sister Pan
will be the executive director of Appealing Corporated, Doctor kelch
E Gwinn And Uh, tomorrow Friday, you know this when
we give you a chance to free your mine in
our open Phone Friday program, we start taking a phone
calls at six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore

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on ten ten WLB and the a d m V
on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty
w L. All right, sister Pam, I'll let you finish chances.
But uh, brother mom Abu Jamal and what's going his
struggles is still behind bars? How long has he been
in incarcerated now?

Speaker 5 (35:46):
I think it's forty two years. But you know, when
you least expected, you're selected and whis to call?

Speaker 6 (35:53):
Seize the time?

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Judge Ford and on the former Judge Ford. I want
to tell him about Judge Winde Griffin and all, who
was a sitting judge for twenty years. He was on
your show and you know, a sitting judge and he's
a pastor of you know.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
A large church church in Arkansas.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
He found out about the case of Oma, investigated it
thoroughly and felt that it was his duty as a
sitting judge to speak out on the injustices of the
case of Oma. He did several shows across the country
and outside, including yours, gathering support. And you know, when

(36:35):
he came to Philadelphia, because Philadelphia is such a terrorized
city and all, there was very dig the lawyers. There's
very few lawyers. There, very few ministers for this pastor.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
So I want to.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Pass the world a law along and since we have
a judge that's coming in, that's part of this larger
evil reported my phone has this crazy thing on it
that it it just comes on and uh, but you know,
I would just wanna put a plea out to him

(37:10):
and uh to get in contact with judge, wouldn't do
Griffin and Arkansas in a former judge like him, but
a pastor of a church and get the information about this,
you know, about about what's happening, you know with with
mo Mia. There hell then on killing MoMA despite the evidence,

(37:30):
despite the overwhelming and the more people that we can
get in and you know, get this information out the
soon as we can bring this brother home, because they
intent is to kill him through medical neglect. When they
couldn't kill him the other way. So it's time for
all of us to rise up and.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
You know, do uh, you know, do more than what
we were doing before.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
And remember it's not just for more Mia, it's all
the way across the board, because the issues of help
that's happening with Mamia is not unique to Mamia, because
brothers and sisters throughout the prisons are you know, being
you know, terribly neglected. And so you know this this
is the part of the movement that we're dealing with,

(38:17):
you know, with Malia's health and other you know inmates health.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's a health Let me jump in and ask you
with thirteen away from the time town sister Ramona in Africa,
how she doing, one of your sisters.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
In the agast She's coming along good.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
She's been doing speaking engagements and all she's fighting a
heck of a battle and all because try to take
her down. But Ramona is a strong sister and she's
pulling through.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
People who want to get hold of her.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
You know, get hold your hold of her and other
move members. You can go through the Jericho website, go
to Jericho. And I think the sister Anne Lamb is
handling all that, you know, helping handle that information and
are getting people in contact with from all yeah and website.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, and it's just a pater for the folks who
are I'm familiar with with the Move organization. Can you
give us some background and where the organization stands today?

Speaker 6 (39:18):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Uh, the Move organization and again you can pull this
up on YouTube, Netflix and all the different cases how
moves started and our move, the Move organization is a
revolutionary organization predominantly black.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
H again because of.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
The exposure of the government and our Move was targeted
and because the first they seen Move as just you know,
something that's of a fly by night organization, but they
found out that Move was consistent and our Move had
hundreds and hundreds of years and uh they were sentenced
to thirty to one hundred years for the accusation of

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killing a police officer, which you know, all evidence showed
the fact that you're innocent. And uh, the fight our
family had to get what was known as to Move
nine out and resulted in the government dropping a bomb
of a house, killing eleven men, women and children.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Of the Move organization.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
And you know, through a lot of pressure.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
And consistent work and h.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
The mayor who ordered the dropping of the bomb and
work that helped get our family released. And me and myself,
I can still never forgive him and all for you know,
being a part of that dropping the bombs on the family.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
And uh and uh.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
But you know, I have to say that, you know,
he became a part only because of people pressure and
because this was too much to bear for people and or.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
You know, and then the government, you.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Know, to add insult to injury and all after they
had bombed our family and they the remains of the
children was put in the Pennsylvania the penn Museum, and
where they was taking the bones out and taking them
of the children and taking them to different places on display.

(41:28):
And one of the people that was a curator of
the bones and professor was taking the bones around. She
was talking about and these bones are still juicy and
it you know, it took a lot to deal with them,
you know, with that and you know, the family members,
you know who was devastated by the murders of the children,

(41:51):
only to come and find out that let me see
what they were dead thirty five or close to forty
years later, that these people had the bones of Janet
and Janine Africa. You know, Janet and Council Roll are
Africa children and are still in that museum. It was

(42:12):
not turned to them.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well how much over here and ask you this question
though a nine away from the Tabaya sister Pam Africa,
from the move organization. Did they get permission? Did they
request permission to take these bones of these young children
and put them on display or they just did it
out you.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Know, they did it because they felt that they could
do it and get away with it. But again, the
power of the people and the fact that this stuff
was so horrific and was so horrible that people who
was working in the in the area where the bones
and stuff was that and knew of this, gotten contact
with Mike Africa and that started a whole investigation. It

(42:52):
was massive demonstrations because they was acting like, you know
that they hadn't done anything wrong and this was their right,
but they found out it wasn't. And uh, you know,
some people got fired, some people got sent to other places.
They should have went to jail for an abusive forts.
They got a law for that, and but of course

(43:12):
they did not. Just like when they dropped the bomb
and when they killed people and my sister Ramona Africa
went to court and they found the police commissioner and
you know, Wilson Good was one of the people that
was was indicted for the dropping of the bomb and

(43:33):
or when he wrote a book telling about the instance
of moved from nineteen seventy eight and stuff and what
he did. He wrote that book and so they can
do exactly what he did. They pulled him out, you know,
of the indictments, and he was quiet and all for
you know, years.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Until that pressure was put on him.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
And then he spoke out and talked about the book
and you know the wrongs of it. And but it
goes right back again to the power of the people,
because the bone situation would have never been exposed and
nothing would have been done done without people standing up
in protests about the injustice that was happening here. And

(44:17):
that's the same thing with for me and Mom is
alive today and because of the battle our brother Jamilamen
and god knows, you got to mention him and the
terrible things that he's going through. Oh, let me say yes.
And I got a phone call the other day for
Chairman Fred from Chairman Fred Hampton and a chairman doctor

(44:40):
Fred Hampton Junior now and brother Kolandi and you know,
there was messing around on the phone, and uh, it
was a FaceTime and I happened to look at it
and I saw this familiar face and oh, my guide,
it was Linny Peltier and or Liny Peltier had formed
me to thank me for work. And I'm saying this

(45:01):
especially for the brother that usually when I'm on he'll
call and tell remind me to say something about Leonard
Pelti here. And but he acknowledged the years and years
of work. My daughter and Leonard's grandson and or they
were young kids and or you know, running around and
or doing what they could for Leonard. My daughter is

(45:24):
a mother of six children. And my other daughter who
is running around doing the work, she is a mother
of six and the grandmother of two.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
And or this is how long this work has been
going on.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
And you know, and we have been committed to.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
Do the work to bring him home.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
We're committed to do the work to bring all political
prisoners home, all people that suffer injustice, you know, from
their system, whether they're a political prisoner, that's you know,
like the animals in the zoos, they are political you
were beings and all.

Speaker 6 (46:02):
That was snatched from their land and putting.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Their cages to live the rest of their life. And
it's generational things because you know, they got the mothers
and the babies is born in you know, and there
they have uh in them in captivity. Then they had
uh children that was uh, you know, life that was
born in jail. This is what's happening in our prisons.
It's generational. You know, slavery that's happening there. You got mothers,

(46:29):
you've got grandmothers, you got great grandmothers and children.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
Coming to be in these prisons, you.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
Know right now.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
And uh and I think you know, we all need
to look at that whole generational thing and really look
too to see where a lot of this stuff coming from.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
You remember riddling.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
And this was a dug that they were giving children
and when you tried, you know, and I know for
a fact when mothers tried to get their children off
of rhythling and or DHS stepped end and or when
there was offering mothers, poor mothers who didn't have money,
and you know, they feed them sugarn, suiting them up,
and these children, you know, come in upset over a

(47:11):
lot of things that's going on in their life. They
offered the mothers money to put their children on riddling.
We have the mothers and all and the grandmothers of
those children on riddling. It's a fact that in city
Council and Philadelphia City Council women Jamie Blackwell and some
other black women and a reporter by the name of

(47:33):
Helen Blue, they did an article called on riddling Kitty
Krap and you talked about the horrors of it and
are on city council. And it's a shame that the
black elected official that was men and the city of
Philadelphia bought them sisters, and that you know when I'm
saying for them, and all spoke up for this governance

(47:57):
and are on riddling continued and they damned the sisters
that stood up, you know, and sold off. The same
thing that happened with her sister to stood up about
the education. I think her last name was Day. She
was a judge. She was finding the educational system I
think a thousand dollars a day until they got it right.

(48:17):
And all the black elective official men and all luke
will be recorded.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Oh shot, I'll hold that thought right there. Sister family.
We know it's good. It's three minutes away from the
top there. We got to check the traffic and weather
or out different cities when we come back. Phyllison, what's
going on? What's the very latest with mameya? He says, health.
It still has got some health concerns and how can
people help if people want to help Mamia, you know
eventually before the people in France are already behind Mama.

(48:46):
That's got different pockets of people, but so many people
don't really know the story behind it. Mama abou Jamal
or even the Move organization that you're a member of
as well. Family, you want to check in out this conversation,
reach out to us at eight hundred four or five
zero seventy eight, eight to seventy six and we'll take
your phone calls. After the traffic and weather update, that's next.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
You're facing with the Most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 8 (49:13):
You're rocking with the most Submissive.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Grant Rising Family, Thanks for waking up with us on
this Thursday morning. Here are two minutes after the top
of the with I guess a sister Pam Africa from
the Move organization. I'm almost hell. He we're gonna speak
your doctor Gleiche Gwyn from Appeal. But it's just a
question for you. Though you've been in this struggle for
for decades now, what and so many of our soldiers
have dropped out there you are You're still in a

(50:00):
battle line. You're still on the front row, You're still fighting.
You're still out there every protest, every everything that's especially
in your city of Philadelphia, and you go around the
country as well. I hear about all the reports. I say, yes,
sister Pam was there. What keeps you going?

Speaker 5 (50:16):
Fear of this government. The fear of this government is
what keeps me going. Fear that if we don't fight it.
I got grandchildren, great grandchildren and a great great grandchild
that's coming up, and all the love for them, the
love for others and all is what, you know, fused
this fire.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
I get feued.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
I'm all hypened down, and because of the work that
I'm doing, you know, and it's still more meal work
is still the work for everybody. Working with former counselmen
and assemblymen, Childs Barren and Honors Barn and I've seen
something that is so phenomenal. I seen I went and

(51:00):
I saw his district and all where is predominant. I
think it's about two point something, you know, white people
in his district.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
His district is black and brown.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
And how he did it, I seen, you know, a
whole blighted area where there was those makeshift trailers and
or that they were teaching children. And our nest looked
at looked at that, and make a long story short,
those trailers was done away with and built from the

(51:33):
ground up a you know, a school and all with
the technology that is needed our children need and all
to get ahead. I seen you know, buildings and where.
And you know the thing I love about him, he's
an unapologetic He's an example. He is a panther and

(51:54):
he don't let them forget who he is. This man
was able to get them to put on the.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
Florida Reparation Bill. And you know he was also.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
Responsible for getting you know, legislators, you know um you know,
council people to write letters and all for the l
A members, for black panther members, the little our.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Our names, not your little Howard mean.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Jehide. And it was three political prisoners and all that
was they wrote letters for and you know they're out
on the street and I walked the streets in all blocks,
and I never knew how big his area is because
I didn't get to see at all. And h walking
down the street with him and people and all you

(52:46):
know that like looking when they see him coming, and
all there's young folks and all, you know, because of
the work he has done in the community for them.
And uh, this was one of the most phenomenal. And
I had a brother tell me that, you know, I
ain't even no big thing you know that's been done.
I said, where, Better tell me where what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
That you have seen done?

Speaker 5 (53:10):
Tell me where you had a concert person that stood
on principle on facts and all for political prisoners and
have those write letters to help them get out of
the Show me where the area is predominantly black. Show
me the area.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
When those.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Monster contractors came in and wanted to put housing in
the area and wanted to talk about low income, he
said low income for and he wound up getting those
houses fixed the way they're supposed to be. This is
one of the most phenomenal things I have ever seen.
And I'm rebringing working to bring him here in September.

(53:54):
The only reason why not August, because he is booked
and off for August, but we're bringing him the Piloriadelphi
in September as an example of, you know, not what
we want to be done, but what has been done,
and to show I want to bring council people, city council,

(54:14):
I want to bring state legislators. Because what he did,
he studied the Lord. He didn't go outside the Lord.
Nobody do him no darn favors. He stood on the
principle of righteousness and was able to get this done
because he worked with his constituents. And how he lost
this one.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
People were so used to.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Him wringing that a lot of people didn't come out
and vote that last time. People got to stay consistent
because things like this what you happen because they're always
looking for a way.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
But you know, even you know nouns.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
As he's out, he figured that, you know, that's what
he's supposed to be out because he should. You know,
what he's doing now is teaching how.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
He did it.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Him and his wife is in awe over what it
is that they've done. Because when you're just working and
working and working and getting things done and or you know,
all of a sudden, you know, it hits you.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I'll tell you what we're kind of right there. It's
just a pound. But if folks want to help, you
want to help the move organization, want to help brother Momir,
I boot Jamaal. How can they reach you? Do you
have an email address or website or or anything you
can help us with?

Speaker 5 (55:26):
Right mobilization the number four for MoMA mobilization number four
Momea and or the camp came to bring Mumia home.
My phone number, my personal phone number is two six
seven seven six zero seven three four four, and I

(55:48):
answer my phone and sometimes because if you real busy,
I can't get to all the calls in one day.
But I get back. I get back because this information
that you know, we're putting out this for everybody, and
I want people to have it. I want people to
go up there and see if you're living in New
York and or go check out what's in your area.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Oh yeah in Brooklyn, all right? Yeah? Doctor Well Charles Barron,
he's regularly on our program as well. It's a great
analyze when it comes to current events. But Sister Pam,
thank you for giving us an update on ama Updude
Jamal and also a sister Ramona and the rest of
the Oh, I got the tweet for me. People says
he's ad a dot com or email. They want to know.

(56:33):
Some people want to know how to get with.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
You with me me, I'm Pamafrica at gmail dot com.
I'm better at answering the phone because my email I
get so much. And let somebody tell me that you're
sending me something. I don't get to it that much.
But my phone number is two six seven seven six
zero seven three four four, and so.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
They can read you that number. They want more information
about momir right.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
And through the Jeri COT the Jeri Coot.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Website and you can get the information that's dealing with
what's happening with move. And because the site, the site
isn't up right now, and so you're welcome through the
jerr for organization in New York GERRACA.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
All right, Thank you, Pam, and thank you for the
work that you do.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
Thank you, thank you for always having the year.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
All right, and tell them Willia has got some friends
on the outside as well.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
I told him, just like when I was telling Charles Barron,
I said, do you know brother call Helm he said,
do I Then he just went on just like you
did it right. So I'm saying, okay, you know good
people know good people.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
All right, Well, thank all right? Ten after the top
found that's PAM Africa from the Move organization in Philadelphias.
I touched you now too appealing corporate anyway, Doctor Kalich Gwin,
Doctor Gwinn, grand Rising, welcome to the program, great.

Speaker 11 (58:06):
Rising brother, Thank you so much. How are you.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I'm still learning, doctor Graham, I'm still learning. But listen,
one of many of our folks, because it's been a
minute since we've had you on, can you tell the
family about APPEAL because all we know that it's a
nonprofit black empowerment organization, but I know it's just more,
it's more than that.

Speaker 11 (58:25):
Yes, absolutely, APPEAL. It is actually an acronym. It stands
for Association with People for Pan Africanists Economic Advancements through leverage.
You know, our mission is to organize and strategically utilize
the vast resources of our people, whether it be locally, nationally,

(58:46):
or globally, you know, to facilitate economic empowerment and educational
irishment to produce strong, self sufficient, prosperous communities. And we
have several platforms to achieved that mission. It's a it's
a it's a broad mission mission, it's an expansive one.
And you know, we know that the first thing we

(59:09):
need to do is really educate our people. We need
to raise our level of consciousness and our level of awareness.
So we have two major educational programs for that. One
is our financial literacy educational programs which we have our
workshops on usually decided mornings at eleven am. One series

(59:35):
is focused on financial matters, whether it's some of as
simple as you know, having an account and and uh
you know how to how to actually get give bank
accounts and how to save money, to how to invest,
to how to you know, buy property to you know

(59:56):
the broad range, you know, how to prepare for retirement,
you know how to you know, build generational wealth, how
to secure generational wealth? One should build it from one
generation to the other, and all the all the vast
subjects around financial lyriacy, because we know that a fool
and his money are soon parted. And you know, but

(01:00:18):
if we, you know, are successful in our lives financially,
if we don't have the knowledge, you know, we often
will lose all that accumulated wealth, and we see too
much of that happening in one generation. You know, Grandpa
has all the ideas, but his children have no idea,
and those grandpa has gone within within five years everything

(01:00:39):
he spent, you know, fifty years building is gone. Why
is that happening? Gentrification doesn't happen in a vacuum. You know,
we often times will point to, you know, the the
invaders in our community communities when we're talking about gentrification.
But you know, nobody's stealing anybody's house. Black people are

(01:01:01):
selling them, right, So we are the instruments for gentrification
and we and we a lot of happens because of ignorance,
because of our own lack of appreciation and lack of awareness.
And that's of lack of consciously when it comes to
financial matters, and we don't always want to deal with money,
but it's critical, you know, to survival. So it's important

(01:01:22):
that we have that knowledge base and Appeal provides these
sessions for that purpose to raise the financial literacy consciousness
of our people. And in addition to that, we also
have historical cultural political literacy as well. We have to
know our history, We have to know the context of

(01:01:44):
our existence. We have to know about the historians in
the past and the lessons that they left for us,
even even if they're not physically hear anymore, that the
knowledge that they left for us is still here. We
must make sure that we have an understanding of the
reality that we're in, not just in our local communities,

(01:02:06):
but nationally and globally. And we have the type of
a variety of topics dealing with historical, cultural, political literacy matter.
So we have we have dedicated uh sub organizations I
guess you could say, within the committees, within the or
within the peal they deal with these uh two educational

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pieces of course on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Top ask this fifteen at the top they doctor Agraham
because you said a mouthful right there. But financial literacy
that's not taught in schools. We're always the last to
find out about, you know, changes in the economy, and
you know, we wait till you know, our house is
in foreclosure, we get laid off to start covering around

(01:02:52):
trying to find help and trying to figure out how
we get out of this predicament. Are you seeing an
uptick because and first of all, well, I know you've
gotten obviously in Washington, d C. And are you are
you national international and are you seeing an up taken
and people wanting to join appeal?

Speaker 11 (01:03:10):
Oh, yes, we we're definitely international nationally. You know, we
have more new members from outside of the DC area
then we have new members from DC area. I think,
we know, we we definitely have become more national and
have more of a national footprint because you know, our

(01:03:31):
issue we are based in Washington, d C. But we're
not a Washington, d C. Organization. We are a national organization.
You know, our board members some of them are in California,
some are in New York, some are you know, in
in uh in different parts of the country. So you know,
we are definitely a national organization because our scope has

(01:03:51):
to be that that broad. You know, we have a
diversity in the in the black communities, and we have
some black communities are more property stricten you know, some
black communities like we have in a DC area, you know,
and some of them are more fluid. You know, you
have to be able to put the two together. You
have to be able to bring our people together in

(01:04:14):
order to lift everybody up. In other words, in order
to get to achieve what we're trying to achieve. We
must be able to pool our resources because we have
different types of resources in different communities that you just
isolated to one, you're not going to maximize your capacity.
So it's important that we're a national organization. So absolutely

(01:04:35):
we are naturally and we all seeing more and more
people joining from different parts of the country. And now
that most of these workshops I mentioned earlier are virtual,
people can participate fully. Even when we have our in person.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
We're gonna step aside for a few months and we'll
come back. I'll let you finish tell us about appeal
because you know, if you're talking about financial literacy, family,
and this is something that's not to in our schools,
if you know, or we're the last ones to figure
out it out, and we usually wait till we have
a major problem before we start thinking about it. But
this is the time that you should think about it
and the appeal can help. And you want to get
in on this conversation, hit us up at eight hundred

(01:05:13):
four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll take
a phone calls next.

Speaker 8 (01:05:20):
Now back to the Carl Nelson show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Man Rising Family, Thanks for starting your Thursday with us
this morning. I guess it's doctor Calechi ed Gwinn, doctor
Coleche who runs the nonprofit black empowerment organization called U Appeal.
You've got questions about finances, this is the person you
need to talk to. You got you know, we've got
to become and let me say, this'll take. We've got
to become more savvy when it comes to our finances.

(01:06:05):
You know, we kind of turn it over to other
people to show us which way to go. But you
have classes, you you have conversations where people come in
and learn how to do all this stuff. Then wait
till you you know, wait toll your house is in foreclosure,
or your credit cards at a whack, or or the
rent is doing you don't know where to go, or
you get laid off. We've got to be more proactive.

(01:06:25):
So doctor, how much you finish your thought? We interrupted
you for the show break, But how do we get
our folks to understand that they've got to take They
got to take their own these actions, these financial moves
into their own hands.

Speaker 11 (01:06:37):
Absolutely. I mean, it's it's education. I mean, we we
have to be proactive. You know, we are past the
time when we're just reacting to things happening to us.
You know, we have to proactively can't be proactive with
our education. Education is key, I mean, you know, but
the Malcolm you know, taught us that education is the

(01:06:58):
key to our people and it continues to be the
case today. So you know, we we we provide these resources,
and these are resources to the community, you know, in
order to make sure that we're not caught, you know,
you know, with our pants down. You know in many cases,
uh you know, when when when things happen not just

(01:07:19):
to us, you know, but to the community or to
the nation oftentimes, you know, when when h what I said,
America uh uh you know catches the cold and black people,
you know, cast a plague, you know, because all the times,
you know, we catch the brunt of what's happened. So
it's not just what's happening with us individually. You know,
the craziness that happens in this country often times affect us,

(01:07:42):
you know, more negatively because we're prepared for it. So,
but we have these resources, and we have resources in
our community. You know, our most valuable resource in our
community is our people. We have people uh with knowledge
and talent a variety of subjects and you know, we
try to bring them together and bring that knowledge and
talent so that our people can be able to, you know,

(01:08:05):
take advantage of them, make use of them. You know,
why would we have so many of people suffering from
very easily preventable problems when we have experts in our
community who are able to prevent and other times resolve

(01:08:26):
any of those problems. You know, the Appeals Financial Literacy
Workshop Services is a resource, and of course we also
have our Historical Culture Literacy because it's not just about money.
It can be it's about money, it's a socio economic
issue that we're tackling. So you have to deal with
the larger society, have to deal with the historical context

(01:08:46):
of our existence. You know, one of our board members
is better Anthony Browder. As a matter of fact, we're
getting ready to kick off the Historical Cultural Literature series
on August second. He has a new a new project.
It's called the John Henry Clark Enharrisonian History Project, and

(01:09:10):
we'll be focusing on that. We're gonna have some opportunity
to folks to be in person, but we're also going
to be virtual as well for that program. And you know,
and you know it deals with the African history, our contributions,
achievements and special contributions to global civilization. And it's a

(01:09:32):
wonderful exhibit. It's exhibit that's based at the Monsters Center
here in d C. You know, but you know, we'll
have opportunities supposed to who are who are not in
DC to participate and to see it and to learn
from it as well as it's got sixteen graphic murals documented,
uh documenting eight thousand years of aftern excellence. It's important

(01:09:58):
that we have the context of our existence. You know,
we oftentimes will start talking about black history with slavery,
and oft times some black people don't want to learn
history because they think all they're going to hear about
is slavery, because all the time that's all they hear about. Right,
But we know that, you know, slavery is a small,
tiny sliver of our history. I mean, if you if

(01:10:22):
you count you know the years, you know between the
fifteen early fifteen hundreds to the end of the end
of the seventeen hundreds, you know, you're talking about a
sliver of time, you know, you know, two or three
hundred years, but compared to eight thousand years of documented

(01:10:46):
African excellence. You know, we have to be focused on
the fact that our people are not are not just
people who went through slavery, right, Slavery is not African history.
It's an interruption of acts in history. If anybody is
starting to teach you your history with slavery, then everything

(01:11:06):
is going to seem like progress. We have to understand
our people, how we were, who we were before slavery,
and there's a whole lot more of that history, you know,
that goes back eight thousand, eight thousand years that we
need to know and that needs to be the context
of our existence today because otherwise our eyes are not

(01:11:28):
on the prize. We're looking down, which you'd be looking up.
So this uh sixteen graphic mural displayed covering eight thousand years,
and you know, it's really critical. The timeline the brother
and Brother Abroader has has has put together actually goes back,

(01:11:49):
you know, three hundred thousand years, you know, so it's
it's quite it's quite an important and unique exhibit. You know,
it's unfortunate that we don't necessarily have that perspective with
the with the mugum of African history and culture, which is,

(01:12:09):
you know, we very much celebrate what's in that history,
but unfortunately that history also is dealing with the liver
of our history. It doesn't spend enough time dealing with,
you know, the vast ship of our people. And brother
and brother Anthony Browder has put this project together, put
this exhibit together to supplement that, you know, to to

(01:12:31):
cover what they're not covering, which is critical. But it's
important that we have this this orientation, and that's why
we have an appeal the Historical, Cultural, and Political Literacy
series again which is kicking off on all this second right, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
There's a tie between the cultural teachings and also the
financial literacy. I'm just side note here heard from brother
Tony Brown. He's in Paris right now. He's speaking tomorrow
in Parish and that event is already sold out, he
told me sold out. So we're getting when he gets
back back to d C. But dot to Calichio Gwyn,
financial literacy, it helps if you know your cultural is,

(01:13:10):
if you know your past, then you'll be more appreciative
of understanding how to be handling your finances better. We
see in many of our cities we see gentrification taking place,
and people call it different things. Urban renewal or you know,
or takeover. They give a different for what it is.
But what do you say to folks when they come

(01:13:32):
to you and say, you know, hey, man, they offer
me x amount of twice x amount of dollars for
mom's house. I didn't know what's worth that much? Do
you how do you? You know, how do you counsel them?
Do you tell them, you know, hey man, I take
the money a mood Peachey County or move somewhere else?
You know, what do you tell them? Did you tell
them to find a black buyer? Or should you sell

(01:13:52):
to a black person? How do you how do you
deal with that?

Speaker 11 (01:13:56):
Absolutely? I mean we absolutely tell them to try a
person of all try are preserved in the family. Other times,
you know, we don't, we don't use the resources within
our family, or you know, the different little family politics
you know, prevent us from taking advantage of opportunities in
our in our in our families to keep these houses.
Because you can't keep Grandpa's houses or grandma's house or

(01:14:19):
aunt these houses doesn't mean they're nobody else in the family,
even if it's a distant cousin. Oftentimes, you know, we
have resources in our families you know that can come in.
There are there are lots of creative ways to preserve
the properties in our community. You know, it requires us
to be creative into into uh and to be flexible,

(01:14:39):
you know, you know we have we have so many
examples where you know, we're losing properties to people who
are just simply more creative than us. Sometimes, you know,
you'll see a lot of a lot of uh you
know folks, immigrant families you know who are not black,
you know, coming in and they might the four four

(01:14:59):
of them, four different families may come together and by
your one, your one property that you that it seemed
like one of you couldn't bow. Well, maybe we should
be thinking more about being collective about property. I mean,
there are a lot of different ways. I definitely advise people,
you know, to maintain the property that you have in
your community so that your next generation and better from it.

(01:15:23):
You know, we shouldn't really be thinking about our inheritance
of our children from us. We should be thinking about
our grandchildren and great grandchildren. We should be preparing for
those that will come after us that we may never meet.
Your children and hopefully get the benefit of whatever it

(01:15:45):
is you have to give them in your lifetime. But
you know, we should be preparing for generations. That's how
other people have done it, you know, that's how we
need to do We need to be thinking about generations.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Though it's important that you just made that. Other folks
are twenty nine minutes away from the top of that.
Why don't we do that? You know our parents, well,
some of our parents and grandparents did that when we
were in the South. It seems like something that has
been a generational lag or drop. We don't look out
for our children and grandchildren. The other folks do that.

(01:16:18):
They do it automatically so much as they are on
code to do that. It seems like we don't care
about you know, well not all of us. Some of
us have, you know, just let them find out for themselves,
you know, take out a reverse mortgage and then let
them handle it. What has happened to us as a
people who have that thought process.

Speaker 11 (01:16:37):
Well know, we unfortunately have been oriented in the short
term thinking, short term gratification. I mean we are you know,
we're America's biggest consumers, you know, so fortunately, you know,
we haven't been oriented to think ahead. And that's what
that's what we're trying to do. That's what we are doing. Really,

(01:17:00):
it's reorty, reorienting our people to think not just in
the immediate, but think ahead. Because when we plan ahead,
then we've been heady paid for wan to come in
the future. You cannot build your shield on the battle field.
It's too late by that point. So it's all about
taking ahead, planning ahead. You know, sometimes it takes patience

(01:17:21):
to achieve what you want to achieve, and we don't,
you know, we're not always you know, used to you know,
having to have patience. You want that, you know, you know,
not that necessary to getting quick. We want to we
want a quick solution. And sometimes if somebody will offer
you a couple of dollars for something that's worth a
whole lot more than that, you think, you know, we're good,
but they have that money is spent in which you
lost you can't get back. So it's about reienting our

(01:17:44):
people and it's possible, it's happening. It has to happen more,
you know, because you know, we know that real estate,
you know, especially real estate that it's been the family
for so long. It's oftentimes you know, the greatest percentage
of the wealth that we give to generations. I mean,

(01:18:05):
I do think that you know, we are making progress
with that. We have a long way to go because
the masters of our people are still, you know, trying
to just trying to survive. When someone's just trying to survive,
they don't have time to plan, right, So part of
getting folks to plan better is also to improve their
pleasant situation so they're not just struggling to survive, you know,

(01:18:28):
and too many of our folks are stuck there. And
you're absolutely correct. The historical cultural h literacy political literacy
is a hand in hand with the financial literacy. You
must when you when you know who you are, you
know who you are where, you know who you're accountable to.
When you know about the ancestors and the generations to come,

(01:18:53):
and the expectations from you based on your history. Based
on who you are, you are more likely to care.
You're more likely to look into how do I ensure
that the next innovation is not struggling the same way
that I am, that they have at least a leg up,
you know, from from from from where I started. So

(01:19:15):
it really is uh hand hand and we have a
lot of other platforms. You know that that deal with
or that that work on their overall mission that I
mentioned earlier, which is to organize and utilize the vasus
of of our people for our benefit to ensure that
we have subsufficient process communities. We also have the Sun

(01:19:37):
and K Things saying because there are a lot of
UH issues and topics that we need to dove into,
analyze and come up with solutions for. We also organize
the Black Status co Ops, which is a partnership with
black manufacturers. Black people need to make what we use
and use what we make. We cannot we cannot talk

(01:19:59):
about black empowerment if we depend on other people for
our basic necessities. I mean basic, I mean like soap,
right bad from tissue, you know, toothpaste, detergent, I mean
the things that we're gonna use anyway. If we have
to depend on somebody else to make all those things
and we are where we know they're going to be

(01:20:20):
consuming them because you know, they're necessary to everyday life.
If we're not producing those things and we're depending on
somebody else to produce it, then we cannot be self
sufficient if any means that that's just money running out
of our community like water. We have to be able
to produce these things, and then we must support the
people that actually produce these things, right, we must patronize them,

(01:20:42):
you know, ourselves. You know, oftentimes people have brand loyalty.
We have to have a race loyalty, right, And as
soon as we have race loyalty, then we can ensure
that these businesses can flourish in our community and we
can be actually producing. You know, we use and use
or produce. And the Black Side of co Op is

(01:21:03):
about that. It supports black manufacturers. If you're in a
DC area, you know, you can come come, come in
persons the Black Side of co Op and purchase all
these products from all over the country. There manusfacture by
by black manufacturers, and we were always adding more. In fact,
we just recently added a new black manufacturer. You know,
they're out of California. It's called Real. Them make typer products. Uh,

(01:21:26):
you know, I'm out of bamboo and recycled products. So
we're always adding new black manufacturers because you want to
make sure that we're supporting the people that make the
stuff in our community that we're gonna that we're gonna
use anywhere. You're gonna use bathroom DISI you're gonna use cipicilege,
You're gonna use.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
We're gonna a few moments, get caught up in the
ladyship news, trafficking weather in the front, different stations. We
come back, brother Tyrone and Baltimore. That's a question for you.
But also when you come back, tell us how we
find out because you know the problem is one of
the problems at leads you to the fact that we
have black manufactur but we just don't know who they are.
So if you can help us out with that appreciating family,
you two can join our conversation with doctor colicchi a

(01:22:06):
grand from Appeal reach out to us at eight hundred
four five zero seventy eight seventy six particular calls after
the news trafficking weather. That's next.

Speaker 8 (01:22:16):
Now back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Thanks Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us.
At sixteen minutes away from the top, they are with
our guest that doctor colleci A Green. Doctor Green is
the executive director of Appeal. It's a nonprofit black empowerment
organization helps She's Got FINANCEE teaches financial literacy, also teaches
cultural literacy. If you will all cultural events before we
go back to him. Though, let me just remind you.

(01:22:58):
Coming up later this morning, we're gonna speak with the
founder of the World Conference of Mayors and also the
National Council of Black Mayors. That will be one Johnny Ford.
Before we speak with Mayor Ford, though, Professor Tyrey Wright
will join us. She's going to talk about her ground
breaking book Booker t Washington and Africa, The Making of
a Pan Africanist. And Oh, Barry Gordy's son Carry is
going to join us next week and he's got a

(01:23:21):
documentary that's running on Netflix now. He wants you guys
to watch it and tell him you be honest and
tell him what you think about it. It's called Sunday Best.
It's about Ed Sullivan Ed Sullivan Show and how these
when Ed Sullivan started to integrate the show and having
all these black artists, and then of course one of
the many of the artists are on The Ed Sullivan
Show where the Motown artists. So Kerry Gordon is going
to be with us next week and also on Friday,

(01:23:43):
we're going to give you a chance to free your
mind in our open pH on Friday program again promptly
at six a m. Eastern Time right here in Baltimore
on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on
FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL.
All right, DOTSI, Gwyn, I'll let you finish your thought
and then then Tyrone wants to speak to you.

Speaker 11 (01:24:00):
Yes, definitely. To find out more about uh, black manufacturers
and black businesses in general, especially in your local area,
you can go to appeal ink dot org. Appeal ink
dot org is pretty much, you know, the one stop
you know, uh, I guess you'd say spot for everything
that appeal does. Our is our website. We also on
social media all social media platforms as well under appeal ink.

(01:24:24):
But at appeal ink dot org, you know, you can
click on by Black. It's right there by Black, and
that will take you to a directory of black businesses
and black manufacturers. Specifically, if you want to look at
the manufacturers that we carry at the co Op, you
can click on co Op. It's right there on the website.
It's on the banner, and right there you'll see all

(01:24:46):
the the the businesses that are carried and you can
and many of them do have opportunities plea to order
directly from wherever you are in the country. Some of
them do not, but a lot of them do, so,
so you can you can get those businesses and and
how to order from them, you know, from appeal ink
dot org and of course full appeal in dot or.

(01:25:09):
You can also register for our events you stick on
the events and the workshops that we have are listed there.
The co op is listed there as well. And you know,
I'd be remissed if I don't mention that we have
our Appeal Founder's Day coming up, you know, just in
a couple of months, at the end of of of September,

(01:25:30):
and which is our annual UH celebration. It's our big
fundraiser for the Black the Black UH credit Union that
we're organizing. We've raised almost three hundred this point, and
we are, you know, getting getting very close to to
our our our financial goal, you know, to achieve that

(01:25:53):
and a lot of the you know, the work for
the charter is coming to a close as well, so
we're getting very very close to achieving that, UH that
portion of the mission because we know that you've been
able to have a financial institution that can capture the
resources of our people in order to utilize it, you know,
to to to the to the best, for the for
the prosperity of our people. It's critical something that that

(01:26:16):
is controlled by the community and not you know, you know,
simple private entities and whatnot to credit unions or are
an opportunity for us to do that. And what we're
organizing is the is the first ever nationally based black
credit union and our fundraiser the Finest Day celebration. You know, uh,

(01:26:37):
we're featuring uh this year. We have different performers every year.
This year to Hell, which is an incredible band.

Speaker 12 (01:26:46):
It's going to be the you know, the domain feature.
We also have a brother Bamani and many others gonna
be performing. You know, there's a lot that happens honest
Day celebration, so it's something you do not want to mention.
It's going to be in person. But we also have
obviousity pleated attended virtually as well. You can get tickets
for the Final's Day again at a peel ink dot org.

(01:27:09):
Just couldn't appear in that old practice as a banner there,
you know, to get tickets for the Final's Day celebration,
you know, because we know we have to have that
uh that financial institution to maximize what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
All right, good deal, turn away from the top. As
I mentioned, Tyrone's waiting for us in Baltimore is online
one grand rising brother, Tyron, you're with Gwen?

Speaker 11 (01:27:30):
Yes, are you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
Great rising. I'm definitely gonna stig around for Johnny mayor
Johnny Ford. He's the very very of Tuskegee help a guy,
help civil rights work leader. But I did have a
question with regard to what the doctor's talking about, what
he's putting forth. I think I'm probably the most financially
literate person possible own my own business, I own my

(01:27:56):
own home, and so I'm saying, as you know, uh uh,
in this faith and matter of fact, most of our
customers are white. By the way, and you were talking about,
you know, by businesses we should we should about plumbing
he and Cooeen business and when you say that we
should shop black and buy black, but you know whatever,

(01:28:17):
we'll look like the white. And I'm not knocking that.
Maybe it's because a lot of them don't know that
they are a black businesses. They could do ac and
furnaces and things of that nature. Cloud of show systems
and multiple retire to two jobs. Let you know I
am financial literay, But the question I had was there
are things beyond our control. When you were saying about

(01:28:37):
us on our homes, we got to be conscious of
the fact that there are things that operate like gentrification
where they can price you out of your home in
the pack park. So we have to we have to
fight i gentification with more than just financial literacy. We
have to fight it at using our government. You know,
the people that show we work for us are black
pilot business either because gentification has been seen as a

(01:28:58):
form of a pressure as well. When people can simply
by raising that does the amount of taxes wat you
stay in your home, they can force you out of
it about you and realizing and justification works best when
you're not conscious of it, of the incious incious of it.
So once you how do we fight it against things
like recognition that are designed to get us out some

(01:29:20):
matter how financially.

Speaker 11 (01:29:22):
There we are? Right, So, uh, I've I've been obviously
engaged with deal for over a decade. I don't know everything.
So you know, you say you're financially literate, it suggests
that you you know, you already know you know what
you have to know but that obviously you know, you

(01:29:42):
don't know everything that there's a lot more information for
you to learn, but you don't learn it for us
all to learn. So the key the parent ourselves, keeping
paring ourselves for what will come, because America will come
for us. That's what America does, right, you know the
key because I mean that is compairing ourselves and educating ourselves.

(01:30:05):
There there are a lot of tools you know in
the arsenal that we are not aware of, everything from
how to use insurance to create your own personal bank, right,
how to secure generational wealth?

Speaker 4 (01:30:19):
Right you know, and that let me added every time
of two jobs too. Besides on the doesn't so yes,
you're right, there are other devices to uh. But but
the pressure, you're right, we are the prize all the world.
Capitalism own world by the wests is practiced at the
on exploitations of black wealth. In Africa, in America, everywhere

(01:30:43):
you go, the pressure of black people supports capitalissn capitalis.
So you're right, we are. They'll come for us later.

Speaker 11 (01:30:51):
We are the prize.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
But I think for your time, no problem, no problem.

Speaker 11 (01:30:56):
And then you know, and there are lots of tools
that we have to organize ourselves everything from organizing shushus
you know, which is a you know it's a it's
a community uh uh community based network based form of
of uh of savings that is ancient. You know, it's

(01:31:21):
found in almost every part of Africa, not just Africa,
but in Asia as well. And we don't know about
this this particular tool. This is another tool and we
have in our arstenle. So our job is to provide
the people with the tools so that they can elevate themselves.
That's what we do. What they do with it, you know,
that's on an individual. But we have a responsibility to

(01:31:43):
make sure that all people have the resources they need
to elevate themselves to improve their condition, to make sure
the generations to come are not repeating the same mistakes
and not and not having a start from scratch over
and over again. You know, the time for that is over.
We now have an opportun tunity to make sure that
we are transferring generational wealth from general from one generation

(01:32:05):
to the other. I mean, Appeal is A is a
black environment organization. Our focus is the lithment of people
have asked and descent, you know, and and our platforms
towards the mission to organize and strategically utilize the vast
resources of our people, you know, whether it's locally UH,

(01:32:28):
globally UH, or nationally, and it will all to facilitate
the economic empowerment and educational arrichement so that we make
sure that we have strong, subspicient, prosperous communities. Our platforms
are geared towards that. That's our focus, that's our mission,

(01:32:48):
and we have you know, various platforms both educational and
structural to achieve that. And we invite everybody to check
out Appeal at appeal ink dot org. You can donate
to Appeal, you can join Appeal. We are membership organization.
You know, you can attend our workshops. You can you know,
attend the Black Side and co Op. You can attend

(01:33:13):
the founders they're coming up. You can volunteer. If you
have a particular skill that you would like to lend
towards this effort of empowering our people, you can do that.
Appeal is a is a nonprofit where five one feet
three over this. So your donations to Appeal are tax deductible.
But you know, we know that we have a lot
of resources in our community and they're not necessarily financial resources.

(01:33:38):
It's not always about money, right, There are a lot
of resources we have in our community. Our problem is
not a lack of resource, but a problem is a
lack of organization. It's always been about lack of organization,
lack of unity, and we are focused on organizing those
resources in whatever form they come so that we can
truly create self sufficiences community along with other organizations that

(01:34:02):
have focused on several other aspects of black life. Whether
it's reparations, you know what, whether it's UH, it's politics,
whether it's spirituality.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:34:13):
We are all creatures of multiple ContraPoints of life, all
the different areas of people activity, and we have to
be engaged with different organizations that are focused on different
things that are part of black life. But as an organization,
our mission is to organize those resources and to elevate

(01:34:34):
our people's consciousness so we can maximize them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
And I got to ask you this far away from
the top of our family, doctor Kelsey Gwennis. I guess
he's the executive directive Appeal Incorporated, And there were a
nonprofit UH Black Empowerment organization, and we talked about the
financial literacy and also the social and cultural aspect of
the group as well. But doctor doctor Gwyn, all the

(01:35:00):
the programs, the conferences, the meetings, is everything virtual because
you know a lot of people, well many people like
to use virtuals, even if they are in the DMV here.
They like to sit home and you know, and watch
these programs in these conferences at the leisure. Can you
I'll let you expound on that when we get back
to hear the music. Thing we got to stepiside and

(01:35:20):
your caught up on the latest traffic and weather in
that different city. Is it three minutes away from the
top of our family YouTube? Can hit us up? I
just want to speak to doctor again. Reach out to
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Speaker 8 (01:35:36):
You're facing with the Most Submissive the Carl Nelson Show.
You're facing with the most Submissive.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Rolling with us on this Thursday morning. I guess right
now is doctor Calici Gwyn. He's the executive director of
Appeal Incorporated and they're a nonprofit black empowerment organization. I'm
always Hillory. We're going to figure with Professor tyreing right
to a doctor writer has written a book about book
of t Washington will tear about that momentary. But doctor
gwyn a requestion for tweet wanted to know more about

(01:36:27):
the credit union. Can you expound on that for us?

Speaker 11 (01:36:31):
Absolutely? Absolutely, And before I answered that, I want to
answer the question you asked before we went on a break.
Our workshops and our programs, even if even if they're
in person, we have a virtual component. Most of our
workshops these days. Most of what we're doing these days
is virtual. So whether it's in person or virtual, you

(01:36:52):
have they'll be a virtual component. So absolutely, most of
the people are attending our workshops or not, even if
they're in the DC area thenasarily in person and people
have gotten used to, you know, being at home and
attending workshops. So it's we use Zoom you know for
most things. For the founders their program, we have another
platform but also allows folks to join virtually as well.

(01:37:13):
In terms of the credit union, we all know the
credit unions are are nonprofit organizations UH that is just
to serve the needs of of of its members. Unlike banks,
credit unions allow for UH for the use of the
resources gained from the from the institution to go back

(01:37:35):
to the members the benefit of its members and in
this case appeals. A credit union is focused on leveraging
our communities resources to provide funding for for the land
and business development that builds a capacity to own the production, distribution,
and uh and retailing of goods and services in our community.

(01:37:55):
So so that again we are supporting those are making
the things that we're using using things that were making.
Also providing funding for business of ventures, you know, home
buying and other really basic financial resources you know, and
tools you know. You know, obviously we'll have you know, uh,
we'll have regular checking and savings and things like that,

(01:38:17):
but also you know, the opportunity to have what's gained
from those economic activities to go back to supporting things
that we know need to be support in our communities.
Will have the ability to fund projects and support organizations
that banks are not going to support other credit unions

(01:38:39):
who are not focused on black empowerment and not going
to support. And because it's a national entity, we're able
to pour resources from from all over the country. And
I mentioned earlier, you know, we raised almost three hundred
thousand dollars towards the capital needed to start the credit Union.
We still have a way to go and we have

(01:39:00):
our Founder's Day program coming up on September twenty eighth,
you know, to continue with that effort. All everything gained
from the Final's Day celebration goes towards the startup costs
for the credit Union. You have to be a member
of Appeal obviously to be part of the Credit Union,

(01:39:21):
and that's what allows us to be a national organization.
Is not based on the region, not based on your professionals,
not based on any other association other than being a
member of Appeal, and all of our people can join
and be part of it. That's what makes it a
national entity. That allows us to use our resources in
that way. And that's that's the focus of our Credit Union,

(01:39:42):
right and how I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Thought right there because your money Mike's got a quick
question for you before we go to doctor Wright and
money Mike is online one he's calling from Baltimore. Money Mike,
can you make it quick for your question for doctor
ed Gwyn Sure.

Speaker 13 (01:39:54):
Carl and goome more on the doctor. I just want
to ask do you exercise find life insurance? I mean
not just whole life insurance? A twenty thousand or maybe
even a thirty thousand dollars policy that just burns you.
But I mean a term life insurance. If you buy,
you buy it for twenty years. It's a lot cheaper,
but it's a whole lot more insurance. And that way,

(01:40:16):
if your spouse does, you're not devastated. The family's not devastated,
because insurance should be to replace an income, not just
to barrier. And could you expound on that plea.

Speaker 11 (01:40:29):
Absolutely? You know, we have whole workshops, a whole two
hour sometimes three hour workshops on insurance, on life insurance,
I mean using life insurance to secure generational wealth and
to make sure that you know, we're not the victims,
you know, when life happens to us, so that there

(01:40:52):
are if you join Appeal, we actually have archives of
workshops and we have lots of workshops that focused on
life insurance. It is a very very important tool that
a lot of people don't appreciate, you know, and you
know a lot of folks don't know that of insurance.
Life insurance is one of the things that that doesn't

(01:41:13):
get taxed. They taxed everything else. You go to prices
right and want applies, you go cut that that their
prize and half with taxes, you know, but the one
thing that doesn't get taxed is life insurance, right what
you get from it. So a lot of businesses and
and families and these wealthy folks, they've been using insurance
as a tax even for a long time. It's built

(01:41:33):
into the system. That's why some of the biggest corporations
in the United States are life insurance companies. So we
have to be able to benefit from that, and we
want benefit from it unless we have knowledge about how
to do that, which is why we have so many
workshops on on life insurance. And as I said, even
if you know, you just join and you want to

(01:41:54):
see what we've done in the past. We have archives
of workshops from a variety of times. It's many, many
of who include or about how to use life insurance,
even to create your own personal bank. Because it's not
just about when you die, it's about why you're alive.
There are a lot of ways you can use life
insurance who actually build wealth now, so it's not just

(01:42:16):
about the end, you know, it's about this about the
process as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Again, this is a tool that don't hit you interrupt,
but we got to break it here. We got doctor
right on deck. How can folks, because you gave us
a wealth of information this morning, and I hope people
will take advantage of all the programs that you have
at Appeal. How can again, how can they reach Appeal
a website?

Speaker 11 (01:42:37):
Absolutely? The website is Appeal inc dot org. Appeal as
a P P E A L I n C dot org.
You can also catch us on social media with Instagram,
on Facebook or actual Twitter. It's always at Appeal Inc.
And you can email us at for info info I

(01:42:59):
n oh at appeal ink dot org. That's info at
appeal ink dot org. You can also reach us at
eight hundred seven one one seven eighty five one. But
our website is the best place to give information. You
can join, you can register, you can you can get
resources that are there, and that's appeal ink dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
All right, thanks doctor kalechi Quien, and thanks for the
work that you do. Are trying to help out folks
if we really appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (01:43:31):
Thank you, brother, thank you for let us be on
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
That's an executive director of Appeal Incorporated, Doctor kalechi Iguan.
Start our attention out to our next guest that happens
to be doctor Tyree and Wright to Grant Rising. Professor Wright,
welcome back to the program.

Speaker 10 (01:43:46):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Good morning, Good morning, listen. You've wrote a book in
which we consider groundbreaking by the way, book Book A. T.
Washington and Africa The Making of a Pan Africanist. All
these books that are written about Book of T none
of them take this angle that that you have taken
about him and Africa and a Pan Africanist. Why did
you choose that lane.

Speaker 10 (01:44:08):
Because it was undone, because no one had done it
and it needed to be done. I think it's a
significant part of Washington's personal and private life, his relationship
with Africa, African nationalists, and the issues of the day.

Speaker 14 (01:44:27):
You know, So.

Speaker 10 (01:44:29):
This was what you don't know about book or TU Washington.
The book could have easily been called that because the
entire book is pretty much from his personal papers, derived
from his personal papers which were opened up in nineteen
seventy and talks about all the affairs and even two

(01:44:53):
policy cases that he was involved in as it related
to Africa. So I think, you know it's relevant because
I don't think anyone has or I know for a fact,
as the researcher. No one has delved as deep into
his clandestine life as it related to international affairs and

(01:45:14):
African affairs at that time.

Speaker 14 (01:45:17):
You know, so today, let me ask you why not?

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Why did they overlook this? So you know, all these
books are all a ton of books about Book of
t but none of them tackling what you did is
the African connection. Why do you think they're ignored it?

Speaker 10 (01:45:29):
Well, it's significant because they ignored it because one who
would accept or who would want to promote Washington as
someone who was definitely aligned with the objective same objectives
as people on the continent suffering under colonialism. Who you know,

(01:45:55):
there wasn't a desire to establish that we have always
had this dialectical relationship between African people on the continent
and throughout the diaspora. They're not going to promote the
fact that Booker T. Washington was in fact involved in
the first Pan African conference. Was he was involved in

(01:46:19):
the planary sessions planning the conference and was invited to
speak at the conference on lynching and then on sustainability
to things that he would have known a great deal
about because of his private research and the goings on
at Tuskegee. So no, no one would promote those things
about Washington because what happened via the Academy and someone

(01:46:43):
named Lewis Harlan, which was a white American historian, and
he pretty much had a monopoly on the legacy of
Washington and told others, you know, don't touch this, you know,
pretty much because because Washington was made dangerous, right, he

(01:47:04):
was the accommodationist. He acquiesced to to the social oppression
that accompanied slavery, right, and the marginalization. And then of
course once Jim Crow, you know, he's going to supposedly
be upholder of Jim Crow, you know, as opposed to

(01:47:28):
struggling against those things. So to tell about his clandestine
life is to redefine Washington in the public realm, really,
you know. And I think there was a concerted effort
to not share these things or not to emphasize because,
to be quite honest, any of us could find out

(01:47:49):
this information right the Booker T. Washington papers, preserved and
edited by the Library of Congress are available everywhere. They're
probably more available than some president's collections, to be frank,
So I think that it wasn't pushed because there is

(01:48:10):
a narrative, right, the Washington do boys conflict, right, and
so you have that die economy. And then once that emerges,
there is an interest in maintaining that, particularly particularly in
the academy. And you know in the academy you have

(01:48:30):
Lewis Harlan. Louis Harlan is Washington's primary biographer who openly
talked about hating him and having disdain for him, and
then after editing his personal papers to the Library of Congress,
which he couldn't tamper with the transcribing, but he's in
the editorial comments right of the paper fifteen Volumes of

(01:48:54):
Washington Personal Papers, and it is very revealing, you know.
So Lewis Harland is the person who has interpreted Washington
to unths for however long, up until the nineteen seventies
and thereafter, really to be quite frank, because no one

(01:49:16):
cracked the personal papers of Booker T. Washington, not really
right and elevated this clandestine life he had with Africa,
African people and in African affairs.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Fifteen ath the top of the family, I guess it's
a professor tiring, right, Doctor Wright is talking about her
book Booker T. Washington and Africa The Making of a
Pan Africanist. In that book, you talk about the African
Exclusion Measure. Can you expound on that for us a
doctor wright?

Speaker 10 (01:49:46):
Yeah, So I wanted to definitely discuss one of the
things in the book that are very much relevant today.
And so there are two policy cases in the book.
One is called the African Exclusion Measure is the final
case in the book and it's about Washington's role in
the nineteen fifteen defeat of the African Exclusion Measure, which

(01:50:10):
was a piece of legislation proposed by the Senate and
passed by the Senate in December on December thirty first,
nineteen fourteen, the last day of the year. This piece
of legislation, proposed by James Reed from Missouri, was designed

(01:50:30):
to exclude any one of the black or African race
and put them in the same category as undesirables and
criminals attempting to enter the country. And this would pass
in the Senate in December, last day of the year,
December thirty one, nineteen fourteen, due to go to the

(01:50:51):
House of Representatives and become part of the larger immigration bill.
And the motivation for proposing such as was the recent
completion of the Panama Canal. And once the canal was completed,
Jane Reed from Missouri, a senator decided, Hey, all of

(01:51:13):
the African and black population that contrib contributed to the
building of the Panama Canal, We're going to make it
clear that they understand your next step is not to
immigrate to the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Okay, and hold of thought right there, a profession right
hold of the becase we're got to step usud for
a few moments. But was then the Panama considered us territory?
And I'll let you pick it up and when we
get back and answer that question, because this is an
important fact because what she's telling us about is what
we see him taking place right now here today seventeen
half the top there with doctor Tyrene. Right, you want

(01:51:47):
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Speaker 8 (01:51:54):
Next Now back to the Rarl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
And Grand Rising family. Thanks were rolling with us on
this Thursday morning at twenty one minutes after the top
of the hour on this twenty fourth day of July,
I guess it is doctor Tyrene Wright. Doctor Wright has
written this groundbreaking. We're going to say it's grindbreaking because
he deals with Booker T. Washington. It's connected to Africa,
and that's part of the time Booker T. Washington and
Africa and the making of a pan Africanist, a pan Africanist.

(01:52:43):
In the book, he talks about the African Exclusion measure.
This is what we're discussing right now. Doctor Wright writes
about it in the book. And a question before we
left for the break was was the Panama Canal during
that time? Was it US territory?

Speaker 10 (01:52:58):
No, it wasn't. However, the United States did something very
unique in that situation. They had the desire to, you know,
create a canal that would open up the waterways between
the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean right allowing
them to cut straight across without having to go around

(01:53:22):
the land masses that are South America or the North
American continent to trade. So it was not it was
not US territory, but the United States under Theodore Roosevelt
would finance the resistance in Colombia and then that would

(01:53:45):
support the emergence of Panama and the United States financially
and otherwise supported the emergence of Panama, which comes out
of the resistance, Black resistance really in Colombia. So they
break away and form Panama. That being said, the United

(01:54:06):
States has inroads with them, and you know, think about it,
Colombia very likely would have said, no, you can't cut
through the land mass and create any this is our country.

Speaker 5 (01:54:16):
But fueling the.

Speaker 6 (01:54:20):
Fueling the.

Speaker 10 (01:54:23):
The challenge to the standing government, right, so the resistance
struggle against the Colombian government, they were able to break
away and that would be Panama, right. So you know,
they are a young country at this moment in time
in relation with the United States, and the United States
is military is on the canal and the vast majority

(01:54:46):
of the laborers on the Panama Canal are African and
Black people from the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Yeah, at some point I think it was was it
Jimmy Carter who gave them the canal and now Donald
trum is threatened to snatch it back or something about that.

Speaker 10 (01:55:04):
I do know that Donald Trump wants to remain the
whole body of water that we know as the Gulf
of Mexico, which is of course shake Shares the same
waters you know, eventually becomes the Caribbean Sea and all
of that. So I'm not sure. Jimmy Carter, No, I'm
not sure about him. You know, the Panama to my knowledge,

(01:55:26):
is never US territory. However, the military was stationed there
and did control the goings on in the building of
the canal. And like I said, it is the black
and the African population on the canal that suffered the
brunt of doing most of the labor. Right, the administrators

(01:55:48):
were white American military persons very often and many would
die from yellow fever. And those were the black mass
uses of laborers that work in the canal who were
not American citizens. So it is American project on foreign soil,

(01:56:10):
using laborers from many Caribbean island nations there and many
Latin American countries there. But no, it was all to
the benefit of the United States, with monetary gain to
the workers because they were paid in US dollars. And

(01:56:30):
this is what sort of prompts this measure, because the
idea is that all of the workers who labored on
the Panama Canal, having been paid in US wages, will
then assume that the next step in their journey would
be to try to immigrate into the United States to

(01:56:52):
maintain some level of income that was comparable to their
time and their tenure on the Panama Canal. So James
James Reed is assuming that is the logical next step
for the masses of laborers on the canal, and so
he proposes this African exclusion measure, and it comes after

(01:57:16):
in that session he proposes a couple of other exclusionary
measures to lock out Asian people, and they do not pass. However,
when his magic words to exclude anyone of the black
or African race ring true with the Senate at that time,

(01:57:42):
and it passes with little discourse, almost no debate at all,
and it passes on the last day of the year.
So you go into nineteen fifteen, top of the year
with this piece of legislation, which was really in a
amendment to the larger immigration bill being considered by the Congress.

(01:58:08):
And so Washington, Booker T. Washington, the most unlikely figure,
is watching this. He continuously watched what was coming out
of the Senate, what was coming out of the Congress,
He watched the congressional record. And when he finds out
that this measure had passed in the Senate. He attempts

(01:58:30):
to propagandize against it in the Black press, but it's
almost too late, because you know, by the time he
finds out about it, it's already, you know, approaching the
first of the year, and now it's going to be
in front of the Congress between the first and the
seventh of January. And once it is before them, a

(01:58:54):
ferocious debate on the nature of this piece of legislation
on the larger society, but also on the black community
in the areas of the world that they're talking about.
In other words, why should you know African immigration for
laborers who worked on the Panama Canal, an American project

(01:59:19):
even be considered, And so they fight ferociously in the
House of Congress. There's an epic discussion, most of it
is in this book, in that chapter, in this policy case,
where you have a congressmen from the South, congressmen from
the North who are debating the issue of African immigration,

(01:59:40):
not just any immigration, African immigration specifically. And in the
South you have congressmen who are very explicit about the
fact that they do not want anymore African people coming
into this country because for the most part, they would
suffer the both of them in the South since because

(02:00:03):
of proximity, right, because they're coming from Caribbean nations. And
that's the major point in this. When one says black
or African. The US government is very specific about identifying
who is black and African. And although you know, there
may be disputes here in the United States, people skew

(02:00:25):
identity to a certain extent. There are many people in
the Caribbean, Central and South America who under this measure,
would be considered black or African. But however, they would
not necessarily consider their selves or identify theirselves as black
or African. We know even right now, most Latinos who

(02:00:47):
immigrate to the United States identify themselves as white.

Speaker 11 (02:00:52):
Right.

Speaker 10 (02:00:52):
We know that that data is you know, public information. However,
you and I we could probably say the so called
Latino population that we encounter here is not identifiably white. However,
they very often check that off when immigrating into the
United States. So it's funny because most people wouldn't have

(02:01:16):
even responded. The people that were targeted may not have
responded to this because of their own manner of identification, right,
But the United States government said they're black and African
and you can no longer come into this country from
nineteen fifteen on.

Speaker 14 (02:01:37):
And it is Booker T.

Speaker 10 (02:01:38):
Washington who pursues this, writes a number of articles propagandizing
against it in the black press. He also gets the
ear of a congressman in New York City in New
York named Faulkner, and Faulkner echoes Washington's words on the
floor of the House, uh pointed and identifies all the

(02:02:03):
nations Haiti, Trinidad, San Domain, which is well San Doom,
which would be considered the Dominican Republic at that time,
you know, Puerto Rico, which was not a commonwealth of
the United States just yet. On and on, all of
these Caribbean nations and all of many nations in South

(02:02:26):
America would all be in the list of countries that
would be impacted by this exclusion measure. And so, like
I said, Washington had a three pronged attack. He publicized
from propagandized against the measure. Then he also had, you know,
congressmen who were going to fight the good fight in

(02:02:49):
terms of arguments on the floor of the House. And
then his final method of addressing this was throwing into
action his secret network, which was the Gigee Machine. Now,
I've discussed the Tuskegee Machine with you before in the past.

Speaker 6 (02:03:04):
When I've come on.

Speaker 10 (02:03:05):
But this was one of the biggest victories by the
Tuskegee Machine. They would jump into action, go to Washington, DC.
And just to be clear, the Tuskegee Machine was Washington's
secret network of power brokers who behind the scenes pulled
all kinds of strings and made many things possible, uh

(02:03:28):
to the benefit most of the time of black people. Now,
this entity that Washington had at his disposal was criticized
very often because prior to this sometimes you could find
them advancing the interest of Booker T. Washington, uh that
some people may not have a breed with. You know,

(02:03:50):
he was the advisor to to standing presidents on you know,
the black community, Theodore Roosevelt and then Task and so
many people you know felt like Booker T. Washington very
likely could you and abuse his power as it was

(02:04:12):
expressed by the Tustigee Machine. Du Bois was one of
those people. I think I've discussed in the past when
I've come one. Du Boy's chief issue with Booker T.
Washington was really not this accommendationist you know, industrial education
versus you know, at a scholarship and intellectual development. It

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wasn't that that is a pseudo conflict du bois. Real
conflict was just this very issue, the Tuestigee machine, which
he himself said Washington was inclined to use or abuse
and certainly could quiet and silence any voice of any
black leader that did not come out in a public

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realm aligned with and what he wanted to promote and
what he wanted to do. And it is a source
of conflict. However, in this case we see the posture
of the Tuskegee machine. Several individuals who go up to Washington,
d C. And begin and enter the House and begin
to target particular congressmen who they feel like will vote

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in favor of this exclusionary measure. And they do just
that they are able to hold up the Congress poll,
force a polling of the Congress, and then in a
very methodical and focused way, direct their attentions to lobbying

(02:05:45):
and trying to convince, you know, congressmen who seem like
they're in favor of this particular piece of legislation, which
is an amendment to the larger immigration bill to vote
a different way, and it is. It is a brutal
verbal uh struggle that ensues in the House of Representatives,

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and of course there's a lot of move maneuvering. But
what you can see in the midst of all of
this is Washington's communication with his secret network, namely Francis Grimkey.
And he tells Grimkey in the midst of all this,
he sends him a wire as they used to do
to communicate from long distance, and he says, go to Washington,

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DC and pull every string possible to defeat this unfair measure.

Speaker 14 (02:06:40):
Okay, so now let me stop.

Speaker 2 (02:06:42):
You there for a second, doctor Wright, let me ask
you this question. Twenty five minutes away from the TAVI.
Why did he do it? He could have He could
have you know, he could have shouted out. It could
have been I've got this chip, I know these the presidents,
I can call them. I'm going to save it for
something else. What was it about Booker T that he
decided to fight for the African brothers and sisters.

Speaker 10 (02:07:05):
That's the thing, Booker T. Washington completely understood who he
was in spite of the conversations in the public realm
and I always direct people back to not even my book,
but a book Booker T. Washington wrote himself at the
turn of the century, which was the story of the
Negro If anyone had written read this book that Washington

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wrote and published. He wrote it around nineteen oh one,
but it's not published until nineteen oh nine, and in
it he talks about his desire to know African people.
Why because he is convinced a people who could produce
his mother, who is an African person, had to have

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some good and greatness in them. You know, his exact
words were, a people who could produce a woman like
my mother must have some good in them that geographers
have failed to discover. Now why he's those geographers, I
don't know. Why he didn't say historians, I don't know.
But he was convinced that all the books he had
read at this point, as it relates to Africa and

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African people, unfairly cast us in a negative light, cast
African people as the man farthest down, and Washington wanted
to prove that that was wrong, that Africa had a
rich and diverse history linguistically, culturally, and otherwise.

Speaker 15 (02:08:33):
And.

Speaker 10 (02:08:35):
A principled and even valued people who had sophisticated systems
long before you know, the Western world emerges, and he
talks all about that. In this book, The Story of
the Negro, he refers to Africa as home because one
of the chapters is titled the Negro at Home. Now

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I hate that he said the Negro, But the more
important part is that he says at home, at home,
where not America, at home? Africa? And so Washington always
had a deep identification with Africa. He's in pursuit of Africa,
and it's very clear in the Story of the Negro
his ideation as relates to African people in the world.

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He is sophisticated by this period about his understanding of
African culture and systems, and so he shares that with
the world.

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
He also dus right, we've got to take another short break.
Interesting that you'd say that about book of TV. The
reason why I asked that question because we've seen now
present day, We've seen some of our folks have access
to Biden or Obama and they don't looking out for us.
They just go go to the White House and have
the you know, get the White House napkin and take

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pictures and put on the internet. They didn't do a
book of T did. That's why I asked that question. Anyways,
two two minutes to regular top that interesting common doctor Townson, right,
you could join us at eight hundred and four or
five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take away
your questions for doctor.

Speaker 8 (02:10:06):
Right now, back to the Carl Nelson Show.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
And Grandizing family. Thanks for staying with us on this
Thursday morning, eighteen minutes away from the top of the
hot with our guest dtr Tyree and Wright. Doctor Wright
has written the book on Booker T. Washington. It's the
groundbreaking book as I think it is. It's a called
Booker T. Washington and Africa, The Making of Pan African.
It's the side of Booker T. Washington that most of
the historians don't talk about. She told us about the

(02:10:53):
African Exclusion measure, and we see the parallels of what
we're seeing today. They're trying to deport people who don't
look like them. And Booker T. Is she explained to us.
She used used all these powers. He advised the presidents
and members in Congress, and he us all these powers
to block that bill in African Exclusion because they any
wanted more black or dark folks in the country, and

(02:11:15):
we see that, as I mentioned going on today. But
that's why I'm going to finish your thought, because we've
got some folks who want to talk to you. I
want to get them have questions for you about the book.

Speaker 6 (02:11:24):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (02:11:25):
So I mean essentially, Booker T. Washington is the determining
factor in the eventual defeat of this particular piece of legislation.
And like I said, it's an amendment that was injected
into the larger immigration bill designed to exclude any one
of the black or African race forever. Okay, So the

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demographic in our community would look very different because you know,
so many of our greates. Just a year, just really
a year and a few months later, in March of
nineteen sixteen, Marcus Gardy would come from Jamaica, and had
Washington failed to defeat the African exclusion measure, he would

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have been locked out. And it is important to note
that in day.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
Let me jump in here, so and so with Malcolm
and so with absolutely yeah, quality.

Speaker 10 (02:12:21):
Yes, so many others would not have been able to
come into the United States and quite frankly into our communities,
right because more than likely when people immigrant into the
United States who are African and black, they naturally reside
in black communities because they're you know, they're not going

(02:12:46):
to integrate any communities, right, they are going to come
to already existing black communities, And that would have changed
the demographic and certainly the people that we would produce.
Right Malcolm's mother who is from the Caribbean, and Marcus
Guardian by the way, Jamaica was targeted in this particular
piece of legislation. They are named by name in the debate,

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amongst with other countries, and Washington would highlight all the
countries in which that would be impacted by this. But
it's important to understand this exclusionary measure, proposed by the
Senate and passed by the Senate and then in the
House to be debated, was targeting the Caribbean, Central and

(02:13:34):
South America. It really was not targeting the continent of Africa,
but would also impact anyone coming from the continent of Africa.
The impetus that caused this proposed amendment was the idea
of African immigration from the Caribbean. At the time, there

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was not even more than five hundred people coming directly
from the continent of Africa just the year before, so
it wasn't in resistance to African immigration on the continent.
Although it was a blanket statement it would cover everyone,
it would lock everyone out. And there was a sort
of nuanced aspect of this piece of legislation which would

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deny an African or Black person entry into the United
States and put them in the same category as undesirables
or criminals. It's attempting to enter the country. And so
you know, I won't give it all away. You got
to read the book. However, Washington successfully defeated that. And

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it's important to understand that by this moment in history,
nineteen fifteen, this is also the year he would die.
He would die later that year in November, and this
is in January. But he is already completely ideologically t
transformed in terms of his consciousness. He understands that he

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is in fact an African person, and that these he
identifies with the masses of African people outside of the
United States and enough to spring into action and fight
the very government that he in many ways advised for

(02:15:27):
many years before this. And so in this posture you
see him opposing the US government and their officials and
pressing them to do the right thing as it relates
to African immigration.

Speaker 2 (02:15:41):
You know, I hold because we're raising the clock and
we got some folks want to talk to you, uh,
doctor Wright. So let's start with Bob in Buffalo. He's
online one. Bob your question for dout to write?

Speaker 16 (02:15:51):
Yeah, blessed love family. Thank you sister for your scholarship.
And you're presenting uh, you're presenting it and a way
that it's understandable and and under understandable for the average person.
I never thought of a booker T. Washington as a
Pan Africanist until I heard about your book, and I

(02:16:14):
want to really thank you for your scholarship.

Speaker 11 (02:16:18):
My question for you is.

Speaker 16 (02:16:21):
We in this country have a way of talking about
America as if the United States is the only part
of America. And we talk about uh the Gulf uh.
And I'm not sure why they call it the Gulf
of Mexico.

Speaker 4 (02:16:36):
I guess I have to read more and understand that.

Speaker 16 (02:16:39):
But the question is should it be more properly be
called the Gulf of the Americause so that we can
begin to see the Americause as one uh divided but
united land masks north and South America and beyond the
idea of us thinking of America is just the United States,

(02:17:03):
the so called United States of America. Should we call more,
should the golf be more properly called the Gulf of
the Americase, not the Gulf of America as Trump wants
to call it, but the Gulf of America.

Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
Is there are a chance to respond, Bob, because you're
racing away from the top.

Speaker 10 (02:17:24):
Thank you for your question, and thank you. I'm glad
you've had a chance to engage the work on Booker T.
Washington and Africa appreciate that. So you know, this is
the thing I do. I agree that it should probably
the Gulf of Americas as opposed to the Gulf of America.
But you understand Trump and he wants to show ownership

(02:17:47):
for the good of for that body of water and
uh not attributed to Mexico. And yes, you know this
case is a case in particular that does highlight the
facts that the Americas right there is a North and
South American continent right central right in central America which

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connects them. And this is the very subject right of
this issue. Because the United States under Theodore Roosevelt would
use that the population in that Central America region known
as Panama, specifically to make theirselves a superpower. Right, whoever

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opened up the waterways between what is the Gulf and
the Pacific Ocean will really dominate trade, Okay, And so
that's what it. This propels them to the level of
superpower in the world in that period in history. So
I mean, yeah, it could be called the Gulf of America.
But excuse me, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:18:53):
Well, I'll tell you what we got of it. Because
you're racing the clocket. I got some more folks want
to talk to you.

Speaker 14 (02:19:00):
You know, I do agree with you.

Speaker 10 (02:19:02):
I guess it's a matter of semantics, but it is
something that we do need to be a little more
aware of. Right, we are on a continuous continent over here,
and I think that the United States, once again with
that movie, is trying to say we're dominating this, We
control and own these waters.

Speaker 2 (02:19:22):
You know, right, not away from the top of that doctor, right,
Marcus is calling us from emphisis online. Three grand rising, Marcus.

Speaker 11 (02:19:29):
You have a.

Speaker 15 (02:19:31):
Yes, grund rising, Carl and grand rising to the doctor.

Speaker 11 (02:19:34):
Right.

Speaker 15 (02:19:35):
You know, when I read that book or from Slavery
Book at Washington, that was a phenomenal man. Was a
phenomenal man. And in reference to what you said about
the leaders, his black leaders, you know, doctor Ebos Wilson said,
you know, white supremacy to rule it most recoup from

(02:19:57):
the CM group they operate. And I tell you this
little thing here. I am from Jamaica and when I
was coming to this country, I went and we went
to the US embassy in Jamaica. It was a black
gentleman from America who interviewed us.

Speaker 11 (02:20:16):
You know what he told me.

Speaker 7 (02:20:17):
You know what this Nico told me.

Speaker 15 (02:20:19):
He said, away from those black people in America because
they are she fleets and leasy.

Speaker 7 (02:20:26):
And this is our brother. So I tell you, Marcus Letter,
finish a response.

Speaker 10 (02:20:37):
Okay, and he went out. I didn't hear the rest
of his commentary. Can you hear me?

Speaker 13 (02:20:43):
Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 10 (02:20:44):
I think, well, yeah, So you know that's interesting that
he's saying that, because you know what's going on here
in this country right there's so much commentary between what
we have are you know, emerging factions, FBA eight and
all of that. But Booker T. Washington was indeed a

(02:21:05):
pan Africanist, and so I'm not sure about the sentiment
of the US embassy worker in Jamaica. However, you know,
I think these are some of the things that emerged
problematic today with ethnocentrism right amongst African people, black people

(02:21:28):
of different ethnicities. But it's important to know that Booker T.
Washington gives us a model. He was advocating for African
people outside of the United States. He knew they would
benefit from coming to the United States and getting an education,
and he wanted them to and he wanted them to

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come to Teskegee. From eighteen ninety three on, there was
always a steady flow of students coming from the African continent.
And to be quite Frank Washington is personally, he's intrinsically motivated.
He wants to protect that steady stream of students coming
from the continent to Tuskegee to learn Tuskegee methods and

(02:22:11):
to learn what the Tuskegee model is. And Tuskegee is
also a major hub for students coming from the Caribbean,
Central and South America. If we had visuals, I could
show you that there are a number of large international
student organizations already at Tuskegee. Why because the students are

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coming from the Caribbean, Central and South America, and he
seeks to protect that. He does not want the United
States to close the doors to African people internationally because
he is in a relationship with them, and there's a
conscious effort. It was written on one of the old
newspapers called the Tuskegee Students that there was an intention

(02:22:58):
to inculcate interactions between African people in America at Tuskegee
and African people abroad. So he is trying to cultivate
relationships between African people in the United States and African
people globally. And so this measure was just completely opposed

(02:23:22):
to what he was trying to do. And I'm speaking
to the fact that you know, we are we find
ourselves right now talking about people competing for resources, right,
you know sanctuary cities and people say, well, you know
immigrants were coming into black communities. Well, Washington was in

(02:23:42):
a position where he's like, yes, you are coming for resources,
and yes, we want you to come into our community,
our institutions and contribute. And don't get it wrong, he
also did want them to return to their own own
communities and implement the methods and the principles that they

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learned at Tuskegee, and so you know, you have a
very open, progressive, early pan Africanist sentiment embodied in Booker T. Washington.
He was not conflicted about the things we are conflicted
about today, you know. And so I get what the
brother is saying about what this gentleman said to him.

(02:24:32):
But those are some of the things that we're battling,
you know, these xenophobic and these biases that are within
our race, right sothnocentric biases between Jamaicans and African Americans,
and all of this kind of stuff. Washington was above

(02:24:55):
all of this. He was not ashamed to say, yes,
come and be educated, Yes, come and be employed. He
was not you know, you come to Tuskegee, you will
certainly do both. You will be educated and you will
be employed. So we have to look to that. That
is a guiding post for us.

Speaker 2 (02:25:14):
And how right and all the thought right there at
attorney attorney, doctor tyring. Right, we have to take a
short break, head and we'll come back. I'll let you
finish your thoughts. A couple of questions, folks, still got
questions for you. He reach out to us at eight
hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight, seventy six,
and the ticket calls.

Speaker 1 (02:25:30):
Next, You're fucking with the most submiss the Carl Nelson Show.
You're fucking with the most submissive.

Speaker 2 (02:26:06):
And ground rising family. Thanks for staying with us on
this Thursday morning here on the twenty fourth of July.
I guess the doctor Tyren Wright and doctor Wright. We've
got our next guest is up and somebody you might know.
He's the founder of the World Conference of Mayors and
the National Council of Black Mayors, Johnny Ford from Tuskegee mayor.

Speaker 4 (02:26:25):
Four.

Speaker 10 (02:26:25):
Course, of course I know Johnny Ford. Johnny Ford was
our beloved mayor of Tuskegee while I was a student
at Tuskegee, a history student at Tuskegee.

Speaker 11 (02:26:38):
So I do know him.

Speaker 10 (02:26:40):
But so welcome Johnny Ford if you can hear me.
But yes, he's my brother and our and our applicant uncle.

Speaker 5 (02:26:50):
You know so.

Speaker 10 (02:26:53):
But in reference hello, oh, yes, you know, you know, yes, welcome,
you know Washington, listen, Johnny Ford has the spirit of

(02:27:14):
a booker t Washington for sure.

Speaker 14 (02:27:16):
You know.

Speaker 10 (02:27:17):
He leads to the World Conference of Mayors, connecting African
heads of States with mayors Black mayors throughout the United States. Listen,
he is a not unifying force for us, and we're
just so happy that he is still here and in
the fight with us. Every year I see him at

(02:27:39):
the annual National Black Business League, which he is also
on the board of. And so yes, he's a dieting
light to us. And I've he's also from my neighborhood,
Clinton Hills in Brooklyn.

Speaker 14 (02:27:54):
Originally whoa this is a doctor, Yes, yes, doctor Tying Wright,
doctor Mayor Ford.

Speaker 7 (02:28:06):
Yes, exactly right. We are so proud of her, I
tell you, cause she is outstanding, one of our proudest
graduates of Tuskege University, the pride of the swift growing South.

Speaker 9 (02:28:21):
Yes, yes, and she's.

Speaker 2 (02:28:23):
Written an outstanding book, a Mayor Ford about Booker T. Washington.
You get a chance with pick it up Booker T.
Washington and Africa The Making of a Pan Africanist.

Speaker 10 (02:28:33):
Yes he had, he does the boy, Yes, yes, yes,
So you know I wanted to finish up my answer
to the question, which was that Listen Washington was already
a Pan Africanist by nineteen fifteen. This is why he
could advocate for African people abroad against the US government

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and that's it's just so significant that gives us a
guiding post in terms of ways to look at contemporary
problems right now, you know, So we shouldn't suffer against
from the xenophobia that's going on in this country, especially
as it relates to our African brothers and sisters and
black brothers and sisters in the Caribbean situation of South America,

(02:29:22):
you know, because he was very clear on the issue
of identity, right and you know, Tuskegee was a international
hub for African people and he carried that torch into
you know, the twenty twentieth century, you know, fighting for
African immigration. And we should be careful and be be

(02:29:45):
be very careful to mention him when we talk about
our canon of Pan Africanists in the world.

Speaker 2 (02:29:53):
You know what, doctor, I don't want to thank you
and listen, we didn't get a chance to talk about
Booker t and King Leopold, so let's put that on
the agenda for the next time we speak.

Speaker 10 (02:30:03):
Okay, I will do that. Yes, it's o. Can we
tell them where to get the books because sold out
on Amazon? It's sold out, so you got to wait
for Amazon to re up. But you can still get
the book on the book's website, Booker T Washington and Africa.
All one word, no abbreviations, just Booker T, Washington and Africa,

(02:30:26):
because that is the central focus of it. All right,
So you can still get the book. It's cheaper on
the website than it is Amazon Amazon. You know, you
got to pay Amazon and Bezos, so it's a little
more expensive on there, but it is still on its
original website. You can purchase the book, and we would

(02:30:48):
love for everyone to, you know, we're trying to socialize
this knowledge, you know, so we don't suffer under ignorance,
particularly US African people. We don't have the time to
suffer under center or you know, ethnocentric ignorance. We've got
to stay unified.

Speaker 7 (02:31:06):
So I would love for people to read the book.

Speaker 10 (02:31:10):
But the book was written and the book was written
for the readers of history. You don't have to be
a scholar or any of that. It is written in
the people's language and accessible so that we can understand
this history that is ours.

Speaker 14 (02:31:25):
Okay, right, and thank you for doing.

Speaker 2 (02:31:27):
The book for us, and we'll talk later, but thank you.

Speaker 10 (02:31:29):
Doctor, right, thank you for having me once again and
give one into you doctor Johnny Ford, our beloved is
Johnny Ford.

Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
Right for.

Speaker 2 (02:31:43):
Man Ford? You know doctor Wright mentioned the World Conference
of Marriage. Can you explain to us what it is
and when did it start and why what's the purpose?

Speaker 7 (02:31:54):
Well, first of all, again I just want to commend her.
We are so proud of her, and she is done
such a great job and keeping alive the history and
the legacy of doctor Booker T. Washington. The World Conference
of Mayors Conference Monday al de Mayor is an international organization,
a global organization. I first went to Africa in nineteen

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seventy seven when Tuskegee, Alabama and Banjul the Gambia, the
ancestral home of Elick Hailey. Our two cities became two
of the first cities an African city and an Africa,
a predominantly African American city, to enter into his sister
city relationship. And so, while walking along the beach, walking

(02:32:42):
along the shores of the Atlantic Ocean, I said to
the mayor of banju the Gambia mayor, George Monday. He's
dead now, I said, you know, it makes sense African
mayors and African American mayors working together, we were able
to help you get money from the World Bank and
USAID to help rebuild your market in downtown Van Joel.

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That's something concrete. So it makes sense for African mayors
and African American mayors to work together. Why don't we
organize in a World Conference of Mayors and International Conference
of Mayors. And he said to me, yes, Johnny, it
makes sense, let's do it, And sure enough the idea
was born there. In nineteen seventy seven, I came back

(02:33:29):
to the United States and presented the idea to the
National Conference of Black Mayors, which I was a later
became the president of, and of course I'm one of
the founders of that organization. He went back to the
Union Day Vills, that's the African Association of Mayors. Both
organizations passed resolutions agreeing to do that. We appointed committees.

(02:33:52):
They met together, guess where upon the campus of Historic
Howard University, and there we exchanged by laws and constitutions
and came up with a new set of by laws
for the World Conference of Mayors. And sure enough, in
April of nineteen eighty four, I invited ambassadors to bring

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the mayor of their capital city of their country or
the president of the association of mayors in their country,
and more than nineteen ambassadors brought their mayors to the
meeting in the Saint Louis and there we organize the
World Conference of Mayors. And today we are still on

(02:34:38):
our march forward becoming the United Nations of Cities. We
are an organization that has now nine platforms or nine killos,
which we call the nineteens. We believe in trust, trade, tourism, technology, transfer,
twin cities, treasury, and we now also have telemedicine and transportation.

(02:35:05):
It's our whole idea is to have a conference where
mayors can come together, where mayors can be trained, where
mayors can come together and we can strengthen their capacity
to lead their cities. And so we are a global
organization made up of mayors across Africa, mayors from across Haiti,

(02:35:29):
mayors from Trinidad, mayors from across the country, who are
made up of associations of mayors that vote in their
associations to affiliate with the World Conference of Mayors. So
it is my humble opportunity. It's an opportunity for Means
to continue to serve as the founder of this organization

(02:35:52):
which has a global reach.

Speaker 2 (02:35:54):
All right, let them after the top of our family,
and Mayor Johnny Fordy is our guests. They're here discussing
some of the issues that he's been involved in. Mentioned
he was one of the founders of the World Conference
of Mayors and also the National Council of Black mass
Let me ask you this, though, Mayor fort with the
the advent of the Trump administration, does this make your
job a lot harder now to be helping and working

(02:36:15):
and having relationships with mayors from across the globe.

Speaker 15 (02:36:20):
You know?

Speaker 7 (02:36:20):
You know, what's what's unfortunate about the Trump situation is
the fact that it is causing hardships upon people not
only across UH the United States, but across Africa, in
particularly the cutback on us A I D, which I
told you earlier was an example of how we used

(02:36:41):
us AID to help Africa, to help people in the Gambia.
UH So it's it's a hardship because of the policy,
the terrors, and UH it is cutting across lines in
terms of in the United States of America. Here again,
UH is being made hard when you talk about cutting Medicare, Medicaid,

(02:37:04):
these kinds of programs which our people depend upon so
so much. It's very hard. But listen, we are descendants
of an African people. We are African people in the
United States of America. We are people who've been there before.
We survived. You know, I got probably more done under

(02:37:26):
the Nixon administration than I did many many administrations. But
the point is it didn't make any difference whether it
was Nixon, whether it was Gerald Ford, whether it was
Bill Clinton, whether it's President Obama.

Speaker 3 (02:37:39):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:37:40):
We have to be able to survive whoever the president
is and whatever the policies are. Because we overcame slavery.
We over we have overcome. We're in the business of overcoming.
We must survive, and we think we will survive. President
Obama recently said to our people paid we must toughen up.

(02:38:01):
He's right, these are tough times. But when times get tough, tough,
people get even tougher. So we will survive. As far
as Trump is concerned, it's all gonna work its way out.
You just watching, see, just watching, see. In the meantime,
we just have to survive. That's why we're working on

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striftening our seals. So that and that was the philosophy
of doctor Booker T. Washington. I was just so happy
that doctor Wright was on talking about doctor Booker T. Washington,
because that's what we do in Tuskegeuse today. His legacy
still lives with us. Booker T. Came from the position

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that give me a place to stay in and I'll
move the world.

Speaker 6 (02:38:50):
Booker T.

Speaker 7 (02:38:50):
Washing to move the world from Tuskigee, Alabama.

Speaker 11 (02:38:54):
It was Booker T.

Speaker 7 (02:38:55):
Washington who in nineteen hundred sent his first emmissary to
go to teach them to plant cotton. It was Booker T.
Washington who helped Liberia become a v It was already
in existence, but they needed assistance. And the President of
Liberia came to Booker T. Washington and of course asked

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for his assistance. So the point that I'm stressing is
that Booker T. Washington and his ideas are still live today,
and we in Tuskegee are still We still have a machine,
and that machine is a positive machine reaching out and
touching not only Black America, but all over the country

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and the world. In the World Conference of Mayors, we
are a global network and we invite mayors and other
election and appointed officials to join with us, just as
we have joined forces with the National Business League founded
by Booker T. Washington in nineteen hundred. That organization, as
you know, is the organization from wence came the National

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Borough Association, the National Banker's Associations, the National Architects, the
National Engineers, that could go on and.

Speaker 15 (02:40:11):
On and on.

Speaker 11 (02:40:12):
Booker T.

Speaker 7 (02:40:13):
Washington brought people together, and that's what we do. Once
our people come together, we get our heirs together, we organize,
and we go forth. Booker T. Washington trained people that's
Tuskegee to go forth in start other universities like Grambling
and Prairie View. And that's what we do. And we're
carrying out that legacy. And not only the World Conference

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of Mayors, but I'm also the proud founder of another
organization called the Historic Black Towns and Settlement's Alliance. This
organization is made up of those historic Black towns inspired
by Booker T. Washington. We call them Booker Teas Towns.

(02:40:56):
Towns like Grambling. The great doctor E. Fae Williams was
a graduate of Gramblin University, and so many other outstanding
people who graduated from Grambling. They can thank Booker T.
Washington because he sent Adams to found that University, the
same goals for prayer review, the same goals for Langston,

(02:41:19):
the same goals. I could go on and on and
on and in towns life like Etonville, Floruda, where Zornell
Hirston was so Booker T. Washington had such a profound
impact not only upon Black America, but indeed the globes.

Speaker 2 (02:41:38):
All right, hold up, all right, there we come up
on a break. I got a question for you now.
One point in Jahanna at the National Counsel of Black Mayors,
mayor Johnny Ford was was that created out of the
seventy two summit in Gary? And if so, all these
black manors, I keep getting this question. So I'm glad
that you're here so you can answer the question for
the callers. They say, all these black mayors have had
them all these black these black cities and mostly Democrat.

(02:42:00):
But these cities are in trouble. So when we come
back from the break, can you explain what's going on there?
Is it politics? I know we're smart enough to run cities,
we know how to do that. But what is the
problem and what are the issues? So I'll let you
answer that when we get back seventeen and after the
top of the our family. You want to speak to
Johnny Ford, the honorable Mayor Johnny Ford, reach out to
us at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

(02:42:22):
eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls after
this short break. And Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking
with us on this Thursday morning, the twenty fourth day

(02:42:43):
of July. I guess it's the honor of Johnny Ford. Mayor.
Johnny Ford is with us this morning. Is the founder
of the World Conference of Mayors and also the National
Council of Black Mayors. And therefore, the question I asked
for you, and I'll repeat the question because I get
the question all the time, and I have, frankly, have
I've been able to come up with a answer satisfy
myself or the listeners. And the question is these black

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cities that we have in this country run by black mayors,
and most of them Democrats, just about all of the Democrats,
yet they're having these huge problems. How do you see it?
What is the problem? Because I know we're skilled, I
know we've got like yourself, you guys don't how to
run cities. But what are the problems in these major
cities we have so many problems because some people try
to make it a political issue. How do you see it?

Speaker 7 (02:43:26):
Well, first of all, the correct title is the It
is now the African American Mayors Association, formerly the National
Conference of Black Mayors UH. This is the voice of
African American mayors around the country. And of course we
are the World Conference of Mayors now. In terms of

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what what what what happened is many of our mayors
ended up becoming mayors of the major cities in America.
At one point, stick out of the ten major cities
in the United States headed by black mayors, we had
David Dinkins in New York. We had Hair of Washington

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and Washington, d C. We had Tom Bradley and Los Angeles.
We had Wilson Good in Philadelphia. I could go on
and on and on. Major cities, not necessarily black cities,
but major cities were being run by mayors who happened
to be black, and those mayors performed well. And those

(02:44:29):
cities are not only surviving, they're thriving. They have their challenges,
of course, but we've proven that. Just like in baseball,
when we integrated baseball, we determined that we could play
as good or better than anyone else. Just like in aviation,
when they didn't think black folcast doesn't enough to fly airplanes.

(02:44:53):
The Tuskegee ever demonstrated that that they could fly just
as good or better than anyone else. So the point
is the same thing with the running of Stitties. Blacks
have been able to prove that we can run cities
just as well as anyone else. Whether it's New York,
whether it's New York, whether it's Los Angeles, whether it's Atlanta,

(02:45:14):
whether it's New Orleans. The major cities have faced major problems,
and of course we as African American mayors, we have
not been afraid to tackle those problems and we've dealt
with them. Cities will always be here, Carl, They're going
to have problems, but we have learned and that's what

(02:45:36):
we do. In the World Conference of Mayors. I'm in
the business of teaching young people how to become mayors,
how to become better mayors. The World Conference of Mayors.
My first Secretary General was Mayor John Smith. He's there now,
blessed his hard may he rest in peace, but his memory,
his legacy lives on because we have the John Smith

(02:45:58):
Training institute where we train mayors, where we train individuals
become not only mayors, but but but legislators, governors, presidents, whatever.
That's what we do. So let me just sum it
up by saying, yes, these predominantly black cities, if you

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want to call them black cities, these major cities have problems,
they have challenges, but the cities are not going to
go anywhere. They're gonna have their ups and downs. But
as black mayors, we have proven that we've been able
to make a way out of no way, just like
everything else. So when it comes to running cities, we
run them just as good or better than anyone else

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on the face of the globe. So we're proud of that. Okay,
got it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:47):
Twenty five after the topic, let me ask you about
the Historic Black Settlements Project. Can you share what that
is with us?

Speaker 7 (02:46:53):
Yeah, well, well we're very proud of you know, many
people know how famous Booker T. Washington was for education
as the founder of Tuskegee University, which is the only
university in America that has been declared as a National
Historic Site for Black education and accomplishment in America. That's

(02:47:16):
Tuskegee University today. But it was Booker T. Washington who
who taught black people to not only have skillful hands
and dedicated hearts, but to have some sense in their heres.

Speaker 11 (02:47:28):
So Booker T.

Speaker 7 (02:47:28):
Washington trained people, and they went forth and they started
other Tuskeige universities, other schools, not only across the South
in the nations, but even in Africa. We have in
Liberia a school in honor of Booker T. Washington. The
point I'm stressing here is across the South, Booker T.

(02:47:51):
Washington helped to organize and destend people who were trained
to start schools in places like Grambling, in places like
Prairie View, Langston. I could go on and on and on.
He started these historic towns which grew out of historic colleges,

(02:48:13):
and historic colleges grew out of historic towns. And so
today we have an organization made up of those historic towns.
At one point there was more than a thousand historic
towns and settlements across the country, many of them inspired
by Booker T. Washington. Because at his conference in Boston

(02:48:35):
in nineteen hundred. In nineteen oh one, rather Booker T.
Washington invited SL Davis, the new mayor of the town
of Hopton, City, Alabama, to be the keynote speaker, and
at that meeting of the National Black of the National
Negro League that was the name of the National Business

(02:48:56):
League at that particular time. His speech was, not only
do we encourage black people to go back and organize
black colleges and that black schools, but we want black
people to also organize their own towns and places like
Mound Bayou, Mississippi, which became the first black incorporated town

(02:49:18):
in the state of Mississippi, Posson City, the first incorporated
town in eighteen ninety nine in Alabama, Eatonville also in
eighteen eighty seven. All of these historic black towns, many
of them Booker T. Washington influenced them and encourage Black

(02:49:38):
people to organize their historic black towns and their historic
black towns. Just like in Tuskegee, we have the town
of Tuskegee Institute, Alabama, because Booker T. Washington organized the
black people and the town around the gown around the college.

(02:50:00):
Of course, we had the town of Tuskeige, Alabama, which
was predominantly white, but Booker T. Washington organized Tuskegee Institute, Alabama.
When I grew up in Tuskegee, Alabama, where black folks
didn't have to go out of town for anything. We
had our own grocery stores, we had our own drug stores.

(02:50:21):
We even had our own drive in theater, our own
movie theater, ourse on swimming pools, our own churches, our
own schools. I mean, we had you talk about black
Wall Street.

Speaker 11 (02:50:34):
It was Booker T.

Speaker 7 (02:50:35):
Washington who really coined that phrase black Wall Street of
black people are taking care of themselves, providing for themselves.
Once we got our freedom, baby, that's all we needed.
Because Booker T. Washington talked black people do not only
have skillful head hands a dedicated heart, but some censing

(02:50:57):
that his so they could go forth and started their
own towns, start their own schools. And we're still keeping
alive that concept in the historic black towns. And so
missed Alliance. That's our other organization, you.

Speaker 2 (02:51:13):
Know, jumping here thirty minutes after the top down because
you and doctor Wright have been singing the praises of
Booker T. Washington and we're just learning so much about
what Booker T. Did because you know a lot of
this stuff. I guess it's just you know, if you
go to Tuskegee you'll hear about it, but the rest
of the world is hearing some of the things that
he did for the first time, especially this morning with
between you and doctor Wright. What was it about Booker

(02:51:35):
T as a person, though, Mayor Fort? What was it
about him? Seems like he was way ahead of his times?

Speaker 11 (02:51:42):
Oh, he was.

Speaker 7 (02:51:43):
He was a visionary. I had the honor of his
great great grandson, Marshall, and our classmates we were boy
Scouts together, and Marshall's mother, Booker T. Washington great great granddaughter,
great granddaughter, was my teacher in high school. And there
was something about the Washington family. They carried over his

(02:52:07):
legacy quite frankly, but they BOOKERSE Washington was way ahead
of his time of what worked then works now. I
mean many of his concepts. It was book Gen Washington
who had visions. He had sense enough to know that
he didn't know everything, but he was wise enough to
bring around him of people who didn't know other things,

(02:52:29):
like for example, in eighteen ninety six, he brought doctor
George Washington Carver, who took the peanut, the sweep potato,
and the soybean and revolutionized the agricultural economy of the
entire South.

Speaker 8 (02:52:41):
It was BOOKERSE.

Speaker 7 (02:52:42):
Washington who founded the first Black hospital in Tuskege in
nineteen thirteen, and it became a training place for black
in the medical profession, and later it became the source
of strength as a foundation for the first Black ves
Roans Administration Hospital in nineteen twenty three. It was Booker T.

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Washington who laid the foundation for doctor Molton, who had
the vision to not only to help develop the VA hospital,
but doctor Moulton did so many other things. And then
he laid the foundation for doctor Patterson because in nineteen
forty forty one we saw the emergency, the emergence of

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the Tuskegee Airman, the flying fighting Tuskege Ahmer. I'm proud
to be a pilot today because i was trained by
Chief c Alfred Anderson. He's the same man that flew
Missus Eleanor Roosevelt in that famous flight over Tuskeg, Alabama.
He was the man who trained men like Shappie James

(02:53:48):
and General B. O. Davis to become first in the
military as pilot. So it was Booker team Washington who
laid the foundation for Mowton, for Patterson, for Foster, for Peyton,
I could go on and on. All of these presidents
have carried on his legacy up until our president of

(02:54:11):
Tuski University, doctor Mark Brown today, who also served with
Robert Smith to Bellionaire, who, as you know, excuse the debt,
shall we say, paid the debt for those college students
at Morehouse College. So Tusk's footprint is everywhere. Even when
they go to the moon, they're eating sweet potato food prepared.

(02:54:36):
That initiative came from doctor George Washington Carver. So when
you talk about Booker T. Washington, he was not only
a visionary, but he was a practical man, and he
was skillful in knowing how to use the system to
help his people. Some folks tried to call him and
uncle Tom. He didn't care what you called him, as

(02:54:58):
long as he got the job done. He learned at
an early age that you change the system from within
and from without.

Speaker 11 (02:55:06):
Booker T.

Speaker 7 (02:55:07):
Washington knew how to manipulate it. And that's the thing
philosophy that I used today. I grew up under the
shadows of Booker T. Washington in Tuskegee, graduating from Tuskegee
Institute High School and graduating from Washington Public elementary school.
So the point I'm stressing today is read about Booker T. Washington.

(02:55:30):
Read doctor Wright's book, because book it wouldn't work for
Booker T. Washington back then. If we would continue to
apply those principals today, even though we're in the age
of AI, even we're in a technical world today, many
of those basic principles of self help applied today, and

(02:55:55):
our people were able to survive then, and we're going
to survive on a Trump or whoever is the president.
It doesn't make us any difference.

Speaker 2 (02:56:01):
Bringing on, all right, got you twenty six away for
the top our family, just checking in. I guess it's
the Honorable Johnny Ford, former mayor of Tuskegee, also the
founder of the World Conference of Mayors and the African
American Mayor's Association. That's a new title we're learning this morning.
But Mayor Ford, I understand that the World Conference of
Mayors supports a project in Gambia for girls. Can you

(02:56:22):
can you share what that's all about.

Speaker 7 (02:56:25):
We're so proud of Gambia, as I said earlier, Banjo,
the Gambia is our sister city, and we're so proud
that in Gambia. I think they have nine mayors who
are mayors of cities, including Banjo, and that one of
our mayor's, mayor jer Wild World, was supporting a girls'
school by providing hygienic napkins for h for the young

(02:56:50):
ladies because they were having to miss school because of
a normal occurrence that our beautiful women, all women have
to go through once a month or whenever.

Speaker 2 (02:57:05):
The point is.

Speaker 7 (02:57:07):
The mayor needed help for this project, and so the
World Conference joined together and we are now working with them.
Were raising money and funds to help that project, and
now those young ladies. We provided sanitary napkins to more
than than eight hundred and fifty young girls in schools

(02:57:31):
over there, and we're going to build on that project.
That may seem like a simple and a basic kind
of thing, but it's essential. We have to do everything
that we can to make sure that our young people
stay in school. And these young girls were having to
miss school. Now they don't have to miss school because

(02:57:54):
they're able to meet that hygienic challenge. So the point
that I'm stressing is whether it's helping our boys or
our girls when it comes to young people. In the
World Conference of Mayors, we love and respect all of
our children and we're going to do whatever we can.
We're hopefully eventually to help them rebuild their schools and

(02:58:16):
improve the schools. I understand we have a couple of
soccer teams that have been named in our honor. The
point that I'm stressing is we're reaching out to help
our people in Africa, and that's what we want to
continue to do, not only if we're involved in the Gambia,
but we're involved in Senegal and Coups Devoir and countries

(02:58:39):
across Africa, and of course Haiti. I'm very pleased, as
all of us know that Haiti has gone through a
lot of challenges here recently, and I'm very pleased.

Speaker 2 (02:58:51):
For a few moments. So hold that thought right, gud.
If we pick it up on you, what do we
come back to. I want to ask you about you.
You know, how how long will you mail if Tuski
you come down. You have to show a few terms
and why. So I'll let you get into that when
we get back. Family, you too can join our conversation.
They with the honorable Mayor johnny Ford reach out to
us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

(02:59:11):
seventy sixth and we take it phone the show. Thank

(02:59:35):
Grand Rising Family, thanks for staying with us on this
Thursday morning, nineteen minutes away from the top of the
hour with our guest, the Honorable Mayor Johnny Ford. Before
we go back to the Delima, remind you, oh, Barry
Gordy's son is going to join us on Monday. Carry
Gordy and Carrie wants us to watch this this Netflix
show called Sunday Best. It's about Ed Sullivan and how

(02:59:56):
Ed Sullivan sort of integrated that those of you who
have got a you know, got some years behind you,
remember the Ed Sullivan Show on TV on Sunday nights. Well,
you know they started off and then they broke the
color barrier. You know, the Donna Ross Supremes and the
Temps and all that show and all of the Motown artists. Well,
he's going to talk about that. He produced his documentary.
It's getting rave reviews, but he wants to hear from you.

(03:00:16):
That's because this is what he said, He's done for us.
So Carrie Gordon's gonna be here on Monday, so he says,
give your heads up so you watch it. It's on
Netflix right now. And check it out, and tomorrow's open
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you a chance to free your mind, and all that
basically means is just to think for yourself. And then
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(03:00:37):
We start taking your calls at six o'clock six am
Eastern Time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB
and also in the DMV on FM ninety five point
nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. All right, mat four,
before we left, you tell us about Haiti. Then I
wanted to ask you about you your journey about becoming
mayor of Tuskegee.

Speaker 7 (03:00:56):
Well as as you may or may not know, I
was elected the first African American mayor in nineteen seventy two,
back when it was letting me also remind you that
nineteen seventy two is the year that we had the
National Black Political Convention in Gary that was an inspiration

(03:01:17):
to all of us. And as a result of that convention,
black people went back across America and got involved in politics.
Of course, in my case, I had already said that
at the age of thirteen, I wanted to become mayor
of Tuskegee, so it had been a long time dream
of mine. Of course, I had a chance to get

(03:01:38):
involved in politics in nineteen seventy two as a political
strategist for the late Senator Bobby Kennedy. We were there
that night in Los Angeles when Senator Kennedy was assassinated,
and after he was assassinated, there were those of us
who we were there. We made a players that we
were done going to stop. Doctor King had been killed

(03:02:00):
two months earlier, and now Bobby Kennedy was gone, so
we were determined to go back. I went back to Tuskegee, Alabama,
became mayor. Jay Cooper went back to Pritchett, Alabama and
became mayor of Pritchett. Charles Evers, the brother of Mega Evers,
went back to Mississippi became mayor. David Dinkins went back

(03:02:23):
to New York City and became mayor of that city.
And John Lewis went back to Atlanta and became a
city council member and ultimately may I mean a member
of the United States Congress. So there are those of
us across the country who got involved in politics about
the same time. I was first elected in nineteen sixty

(03:02:46):
seventy two and served a total of thirty two years. Now,
during that period, you win some and you lose some.
But when I lost, I didn't give up. I always
came back. And the last time we were not successful,
I decided not to run for mayor again, but to
run for the city council. So today, even though everyone

(03:03:07):
still calls me mayor, I served on the City Council
of the City of Tuscie, which is the legislative body
of our city. But once you have the title of mayor,
that sticks with you the rest of your life. So
everybody calls me mayor, and of course that's my name,
like Marion Barry, who was my good friend and interesting enough,
you know Marion Barry who became the mayor of Washington,

(03:03:31):
d C. He and I were together in Snick. We
were both in Knoxville, Tennessee. He was at the University
of Tennessee, being the first black student to pursue a degree,
a doctorate degree in chemistry, I believe, And of course
I was at Knoxville College. But we were involved in

(03:03:52):
Snick and then later I was president of the World
Conference of Mayors, and I recommend and supported him to
become president of the National Conference of Black Mayors, and
so the two of us we were united together again.
As a matter of fact, we were prayer partners in
an organization called a Black Leadership Family. So the point

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is I've served for thirty two years as mayor, five
years as a member of the city council, six years
as a member of the Alabama Legislature, and of course
an ambassador for the state of the African diaspora. So
I've had a chance to be involved in politics at

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many levels. I started my career before becoming mayor. I
was appointed by the Attorney General at that time to
become the first state supervisor of the United States Department
of Justice Community Relations Service. I had a chance to
serve my nation with the US Department of Justice. I

(03:04:59):
always wanted to be come obviously a Tuskegee Airman. Growing
up here in Tuskegee, Alabama, under the sound of the
Tuskegee Airmen flying above, I wanted to become a Tuskie Airman.
We actually passed the test, three of us from Knoxville College.
We borrowed a car, drove two hundred miles took the

(03:05:22):
test to go into the United States Air Force as
second lieutenant. But in my case, racism prevented me from
becoming a second lieutenant in the United States Air Force
because after paying for and providing the envelope and everything
for a white doctor to send in my dental records,

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after I had paid to do the dental work, it
was not sent in. I did not find out that
I had been disqualified. But that's okay. The point is
I still had I didn't have a chance to go
into the military. Although many were running from the military,
I was running to it because I wanted to serve

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my country as a Tuskegee Abba. That's okay. I had
a chance to serve in the United States Department of Justice.
So for me, car I decided a long time ago
that I wanted to make public service my career, and
so over the last fifty years, I have been involved
in public service, either as a mayor, as a council member,

(03:06:27):
as a legislator, as a diplomat, or as a federal official,
you name it. All of this time, like Booker T. Washington,
like doctor George Washington, Carver, like missus Rosa Parks, who
was born in Tuskeig, Alabama. I have been serving mankind
and I'm going to keep on serving. I'm running for

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reelection now to the City Council of the City of
Tuskegee because we still have much much work to be done.
One of the questions they presented to you was to
ask what have we done recently? Well, I'm just so
proud that almost fifty years ago I started going abroad
to China and to places like Taiwan and other places,

(03:07:13):
developing relationships to Africa. Many people didn't understand why I
was laying the foundation for international trade. Well it's paying
off in Tuskei, Alabama. We recently opened one hundred and
twenty eight million dollar South Korean plant that is employing
people and pumping money into our economy. In the next

(03:07:34):
couple of weeks, we're going to open up another one
even larger. When I first started, I brought the first
South Korean plant to Tuskegee when I was in the legislature,
and that was the first one. Now we have five
from that country alone, and we're working hard to build
bridges between Tuskegee and other cities in America with Africa.

(03:07:58):
We want to build a bridge of trade between Africa
and the United States of America. That's why we're inviting
black business people to join us for the one hundred
and twenty fifth anniversary of the National Business League. Doctor
Kenneth Harris, the sixteenth President of the National Business League,
and Chuck and Chuck Devosed, the President of the National

(03:08:21):
Black Chamber of Commerce, and yours truly, the founder of
the World Conference of mass We have brought together our
three organizations and we formed a new organization called the
National Black Business Conference, and we will be hosting in
Atlanta again for the third year now the National Black

(03:08:43):
Business Conference. Last year we had more than three thousand
black business people from around the country and representatives from
thirty two African countries and the President of Liberia was
our keynote speaker. This year, the conference will also take
place at the Houston Hotel in downtown Atlanta, and the

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dates are the twentieth through the twenty four in Atlanta, Georgia.
And there's still time. Just go to the National Business
League well page or go to the World Conference of
Mayor's web page and you can sign on and become
active in this particular conference. But to answer your question,
my professional life has been serving the public and before that,

(03:09:29):
of course, you know, I started out in New York
City working in Bedford Stuvestant with Earl Graves and doctor Wright.

Speaker 11 (03:09:38):
Is right.

Speaker 7 (03:09:39):
I used to live down the street from her mother
in Bedford Stuyvesant. So I was an executive with the
Boy Scouts of America in New York. We were charged
with the responsibility of raising funds from foundations and corporations
to support scouting, particular scouting in the inner city of
New York in Bedford Stifle his son, and of course

(03:10:01):
UH in Harlem and throughout and of course the South Bronk.
So I've had a tremendous career and I have not finished.
I'm still on the battlefield and I ain't no ways
tiret okay.

Speaker 2 (03:10:17):
Good to hear that ain't makes sense now Where you
mentioned Earl Graves, because I knew Earl Graves and he
worked for RFK as well.

Speaker 6 (03:10:24):
So and will say.

Speaker 7 (03:10:26):
Earle was the head of the UH the Black Well.
He was Kennedy's administrative system but but for the campaign.
He was ahead of the national mobilization of blacks for
Kennedy and I was his assistant. So if if Kennedy
had lived, of course we were gone, uh to Washington
with with Kennedy, and the world would and the nation

(03:10:47):
would be a better place. Uh, if Senator Kennedy had lived.
Now that's Senator Kennedy. I don't have anything to say
about his son. I'll leave that alone. But but Earl
and I we were a working hard not for Kennedy
so much, but working for Black America and for a
better America.

Speaker 2 (03:11:07):
Yes, a faithful night at the Ambassador Hotel. I said
it was the evening with Rosa Greer. I've remembered all that,
and Rafa Johnson, all these black folks had around RFK Senior.

Speaker 7 (03:11:20):
Yeah, we were there that night. We didn't actually had
sent the I had been down to the to the
hotel area checking it out for security and that kind
of thing. But that was really not my job. My
job was to precede the senators organize campaigns and rallies
and the black community across the country, and we did
that at Omaha and Upstate New York and Washington, d C.

(03:11:43):
We were getting ready for Poor People's March in Washington,
all of those things. But Earl n I and John
Lewis and all of us we were there working for
the Senator. That was my first real involvement in politics.
And after the senators death, that's when we decided. I
decided to come back to the South, and many of

(03:12:04):
us went back across the country and got involved in politics.
So I'm glad you're new. Earl Grades.

Speaker 2 (03:12:12):
From the Bronx, So I know him. He had a
bunch of ap stores in New York and then after
the death of RFK, he started Black Enterprise and he
bought got into radio as well. He brought some radio
stations in Dallas. Yeah right, well, now stix away from
the top there. We've got a bunch of folks got
questions for you. Let me just pick one out here,

(03:12:33):
Line four, Brother Collis and waldof can you make it
quick for us? Your question for the Honorable Johnny Ford?

Speaker 17 (03:12:40):
Yeah, thank you, my dear brothers and brand rosing to you.
Thank you for your service, Mayor Ford. In spite of
all your achievements and bringing up to present day actions,
have the black mayors throughout the United States been treated
as enemies of the state and are they still being

(03:13:01):
treated as enemy of the state here in the country.
That they serve and they love so so much, and
of course it affects our people. That's my question.

Speaker 7 (03:13:13):
Yeah, well, you know, we have been treated at we've
been treated as enemies of the state for a long time.
Remember we were in slavery, Okay, so that's that's I
started for us in this country. But whether we've been
treated as enemies of the state, it doesn't matter to us.
We have overcome and we're going to keep overcoming because

(03:13:35):
we are the descendants of slaves and we were talk
to overcome, So you can be my enemy. We have
been We're like David facing a golayah. We have not
been afraid to go into the valley of the shadow
of death. We have not been afraid to faith our enemies.
So yes, it's been hostile, not only blacks as mayors,

(03:13:59):
but black any walk of life in the United States
of America. But thank god, we have been able to
overcome and we're going to keep on pushing because we
ain't no way tired.

Speaker 2 (03:14:12):
All right, last question for you, real quick hand, that
you've endorsed a month of non violence organized by the
Black Women for Positive Change. What is that all about,
Real quick Mayor Ford and I want.

Speaker 7 (03:14:23):
To commend the Black women for non violence and for change.
I mean, these women are really outstanding. I'm so proud
of all of them. They do such an outstanding job
speaking up for none violence in our country. It needs
to become a way of life for us. Black on

(03:14:44):
black crime is still a major problem. One of the
major things that we have going is a gun safety
and we have a program called the RACK Program sponsored
by the World Conference of Mayor. Brother mac Millan from
up in Detroit is hitting that effort for us. We
encourage people, if you're going to have a gun, make

(03:15:04):
sure it's secured and away from our children. But first
of all, we preach non violence. Black too many people
have died at the hands of our own people, So
we preach love and non violence. That's our principle. And
these black women are continuing to do that and during
the upcoming months, I think it's October is non Violence Month,

(03:15:28):
whenever the date is. We supported one hundred percent and
we're proud of and.

Speaker 2 (03:15:35):
I'm there before we got to cut it right there,
we just flat out of time. I just want to
thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Okay,
all right, family, we're out of here. Stay strong, stay positive,
please stay healthy. You'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock
right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and the
DMB on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen
fifty WOL

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